The Sun.
London, England, 1830-05-11 00:00:00

PUBLIC BUSINESS.

Mr. GOULBURN said, that as it was now past
seven o'clock, he thought public business ought to
be commenced, and the Committee of Supply no
longer postponed.
Colonel DAVIES said, that there were many
petitions yet remained to be presented.
After a few words from Mr. Baring, Lord Al-
thorp, Sir G. Warrender, arid Alderman Wood, it
was agreed that the z,peaker should call on public
business at eight o'clock.
Colonel SIB I'HORPE presented a petition
from the brewers of Lincoln against the Beer Bill.
—To be printed.
Mr. BIRCH presented a petition from the
bankers and other inhabitants of Nottingham, com-
plaining of the punishment of death inflicted upon
persons convicted of forgery.—To be'printed.
The same Ho`. MEMBER presented another
petition from bemeen 3,000 and 4,000 inhabitants
of the town of Nottingham, complaining of the East
India monopoly, and against the renewal of the
Charter.—To be printed.
Mr. NORTON presented a petition from the
Mayor, Magisttates, &c. of Guildford, Surrey,
against the Beer Bill.
Col. ARBUTHNOT presented a petition from
the county of Kincardine, against the increased duty
upon spirits.—To lie on the table.
Mr. RUMBOLD presented a petition from the
merchants and shipowners of Great Yarmouth, pray-
ing for a reduction of taxation and free trade.—To
lie on the table, .

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Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition,
sired, he said, by almost all the city of Gloucester
and its vicinity, praying the House to provide for
the abolition of death in cases of forgery.—TD be
printed.
Lord CHARLES MANNERS presented a peti-
tion from Ealing, against the Beer Bill.—To lie on
the table.

Colonel TRENCH presented a petition from the
city of Cambridge, against that clause of the Bill
for the better Administration of Justice, which goes
further to limit arrests on mesne process.

The same LION. MEMBER presented a petition
from the same place against the Bankrupt Laws
Amendment Bill.—To lie on the table.

Mr. COKE presented a petition from a hundred
in the county of Norfolk, praying for a revision of
the tithe system.—To lie on the table.
Lord EDWARD SOMERSET presented a pe-
tition from the woollen manufacturers of the county
of Gloucester, very numerously signed, praying for
an abolition of the truck system. He also presented
a similar petition from the Magistrates connected
with the clothing districts of that county, together
with five petitions from places in Gloucestershire,
against the 13eer Bill.—All to lie on the table.
Mr. CHARLES BARCLAY presented a peti-
tion from an individual named Mark Antholiy
Rickards against the Beer Bill.—To lie on the table.
DUTY ON IRISH NEWSPAPERS.

Air. BROWNLOW—hada petition to present
against the proposed duty on Irish Newspaper
Stamps, and upon Advertisements published in
Irish Newspapers. He conceived that the peti-
tioners had made out a very strong case of grievance
to lay before the House. In the Budget, the Right
Hon. Gentleman had informed the House that he
intended to propose the imposition of 83 per cent
on the newspaper stamps in Ireland ; and he begged
the attention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to two
petitions with which he had been entrusted—they
were from the letter-press printers in Belfast, and
from those of Newry, to the same effect. They were,
as might naturally be expected, exceedingly alarmed
at the proposed additional impost. It was an impost
of 40 per cent., being no less than 3s. 6(1. on each

tinguishing the newspaper press in Ireland. But,
though there might not exist such an intention, yet
the remit would he exactly the same ;—a consider-
able portion of them would be altogether annihilated ;
and the circulation, even of those not destroyed,
would be very materially impeded. If their object
was to extend the revenue of Ireland, they were cer-
tainly not taking the right course. The newspaper
trade of Ireland was already a declining trade. In
1812, the charge on advertisements was Is. 6d.,
and the income arising from it at that period was
26,0001.; it had been raised to 2s. 6d. and the in-
come was reduced to 14,0001. The falling off be-
tween 1812 and 1830 was 11,0001.—(Se the Hon.
Member said, but it will be seen that the difference
between the sums he mentioned is 12,0000-1 u
the face, then, of that declining revenue, they (the
Ministers) came forward, and for the sake of the re-
venue, and for the sake of that alone, they proposed
the present ill-advised impost. He felt perfectly
satisfied, that if they lowered the duties, they would
increase the revenue-nay, have a much greater re-
venue than any change of circumstances in the con-
dition of the country could have the effect of pro-
ducing under the high duties. The petitions he
held in his hand were well entitled to respect, and
he hoped that the Right Hon. Gentleman would
pause before he pushed his proposal to extremity.
After a few words from Mr. JEPttsoN, Mr.
HUME, and Mr. JAMES GRATTAN,
Sir HENRY PARNELL said there was no tax
which more culled for reduction than did the duty
on newspaper-stamps and advertisements.
Both petitions were ordered to be printed.
Mr. BROWNLOW moved for a return of all
sums expended on Buckingham House Palace since
the last return, with an estimate of the probable
further expence.—Agreed to. •
Sir G. WARRENDER presented_ a petition

from the farmers of the county of Hadilington
against any increase in th• duty on spirits.
Sir G. WARRENDER also presented a peti-
tion from Glasgow, praying that trial by jury might
be extended to the Provincial Courts.
PETITIONS.—LOAN TO GREECE.—SUPERAN-
NUATIONS, &c.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the Order of the Day for the Supply.
Lord EBRINGTON suggested that there were
still several petitions unpresented.
The SPEAKER said that perhaps, as the even-

'frig was advanced (half-past eight), the petitions
might be presented after the despatch of th• public
business.

Mr. HUME stated that on Friday, before going

into the Committee of :supply, he should move a
vote of censure on Ministers for granting retired
allowances to two Commissioners of the late Lot-
tery, while they were still retained in the actual
service of Government—one of those Commis-
sioners holding two offices, for which he received
12001. a-year; and the other three, for which he
received 21001. a-year. These allowances he looked
upon as contrary to the spirit of the Speech from-
the Throne, and of the expressed determination of
that House: (Hear, hear.)—He hoped the House
would support his motion, as the only means of
checking such extravagance.
Sir G. WARRENDER asked when the Lord
Advocate would bring forward his Bill relative to
Scotch Law Reform ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, thet in the state of the business of the House,
it was impossible to tell. It would, however, be
proceeded with as soon as possible.
Lord MILTON suggested that it would be de-
corous to go through with the petitions of the
people before they were called upon by the Mini-
sters to vote away the money of the people. At
the end of the evening perhaps twenty Members
would not be present. He appealed to the Speaker.
The SPEAKER said, that as many Members as
were sufficient to transact the business of the country
w ere, probably, sufficient to receive the petitions
that still remained to be presented.—(Hear, hear.)—
By the list which he had he knew that there would
be fifty Members present, as there were fifty Mem-
bers to present petitions.—(Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
hoped that it would not be thought that he was un-
dervaluing the petitions of the people, by proposing
to go on svith the public business.
Mr. FERGUSSON complained that all public
business came on late.
Mr. E. DAVENPORT said, that what with
excess of noise in the early part of the evening, and
paucity of Members in the latter part, there was
little to choose.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
wished to ask the Hon. Gentleman when he pro-
posed to present the petition from Birmingham, as
it was desirable that his Right Hon. Friend (Sir
R. Peel) should be present.
Mr. E. DAVENPORT would postpone it till
Monday, when he understood the Right Hon. Se-
cretary would be ready to attend. The Right Hon.
Gentleman having asked him a question, he would
beg leave to ask him one in return. It should be
remembered that the Parliament was getting old,
and, indeed, it was not expected to survive the
year, and it was therefore right that the country
should be informed on the subject; the subject to
which he alluded was a Protocol, said by an Even-
ing Paper to have been signed by the Ministers of
France, England, and Ruseia.—This paper purported
to be an engagement on the part of those three
Powers for guaranteeing a loan to the Greek Go-
vernment. The amount was understood (hut that
did not appear from the document) to be between
two and three millions, each Power being answer-
able for one-third, viz. 800,0001. Without express-
ing any opinion, what he wished was, that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer should state to the
House whether such an engagement hai been entered
into on the part of this country; in which case
lion. Gentlemen would judge for themselves whe-
ther it was fittiog that the British House of Com-
mons should be the last body in Europe remaining
in ignorance of the tratkaction.—(Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
hoped the lion. Gentleman would not hold it as any
disrespect to himself if he stated that he considered
it inconvenient in the extreme to enter into the
points of the negociation that was going on, on ac-
count of any statements that might appear in fo-
reign or domestic Newspapers. tie thought it more
prudent to give no answer to the question of the
Hon. Gentleman.
Lord MILTON should postpone his petition from
Leeds, on the same grounds that had induced the
Hon. Gentleman to postpone the petition from Bir-
mingham.
Lord EBRINGTON had not for a moment put
the presenting of petitions in competition with the
more important business of the House.
Mr. HUME said that the question of the liability

The motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair
was put and agreed to, and the Hon,e went into
Committee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the first resolution, which was that 6;000/.
be granted to his Majesty towards delrnying the ex-
penses of erecting churches in the West -Indie•,.
Mr. R. GORDON thought the Chancellor of the
Exchequer ought to give some information respec-
lag this vote.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that this vote arose out of proceedings whirl(
had taken place in that House in 1825, when it was
determined that means should be taken to improve
religious worship in the 'West Indies. In pursuing
this resolution it was found that the only Way to
execute it was to provide plae-es in which congrega-
tions could be addressed, and it was therefore agreed
that churches should be erected, part of the
e'-
penses of which were to be defrayed by the Govern-
ment, and part by the' colonists themselves. Of
the expenses thus incurred, the' colonies had paid
23,9301.; and this country, if the present: vote
pa•sA, would have paid 21,4661.
Mr. R. GORDON said his complaint was, that
Members of Parliament knew not where to get in-
formation respecting the distribution 'of the sums
thus voted. Searching for this information some
time ago, and asking for direction in every quarter,
he had been told by an Hon. Friend of his to look
into the army extraordinaries.—( Hear and laughter.)
Well, he did look into the-army extraordinaries,
and there he found a sum charged for the Bishop's
house at Barbadoer;;;4fiesv?.seid.laughter.) He
thought that the residences of Bishops were not
properly included in sums voted for the erection of
churches.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that the first vote was in 1827, and the esti-
mate on that occasion mentioned the providing resi-
dences for Bishops in the West Indies.
Sir J. GRAHAM found, in the civil contingt-n-
-cies, a sum of 5081. charged for the very same pur-
pose which his Friend (Mr. R. Gordon) had men-
tioned as occurring in the army extraordinaries.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that one was for the house of the Bishop of
Barbadoes, and the other for the house of the
Bishop of the Leeward Islands.
Mr. HUME said that the time was come when

there ought to be an sad of erecting palaces for
Bishops in the West Indies. He begged to know
if any more of the public money was to be so laid
out.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said that when the Bishops first went our, they
were obliged to rent houses, and that the b 1k
drawn on that account had appeared in the army
extraordinaries and in the civil contingencies. It
had been thought desirable to get rid of this ex-
pense, and therefore a house, as he called it, and
not a palace, as the Hon. Gent. opposite called it,
was purchased for 4,0001.
Mr. W. HORTON made a few observations
which were inaudible in the Gallery.

Sir J. GRAHAM said, that it was impossible for
any Hon. Member to get any information respecting
the colonial expenditure. The Hee. Baronet thee
read a letter, addressed in 1827 by the present
Master of the Mint (Mr. Herries), then Secretary
to the Treasury, to the Under Secretary for the
Colonies (Mr. W. Horton), complaining of a large
deficiency in the colonial revenue, arising from causes
of which the Lords of the Treasury knee nothing,
and respecting which they could obtain no informa-
tion even from the auditors of the colonial accounts.
The letter also urged the necessity of alteration in
the financial affairs, and in the mode of keeping the
accounts of the colonies. This letter had been laid
before the finance committee, and afterwards printed
by order of the House. Such, then, was the state of
colonial affairs in 1827, and since than it had under-
gone no change that he had heard of. He thought
they ought not to vote one farthing for the colonies,
until they had the report of the commission which
had been appointed before them; or, at least, with-
out a pledge from the Ministry that henceforward a
regular colonial estimate should be submitted annually
to the House by the Colonial Secretary.
After a few words from Mr. W. HORTON,
Mr. HERRIES denied that the system con-
tinued the same as in 1827. At the proper period

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he should be prepared to show that great alterations
heel been made in it.
Mr. HUME believed that no effectual. alteration
had been made.

Sir JAMES GRAHAM should certainly not

give an opinion respecting the documents laid be-
fore the finance committee, but he knew that the
chairman of that committee had told the public, in
a ♦ery authentic form, that the colonial accounts
were at that moment in a stir• of inexplicable con-
fusion. However, to bring the matter to a short
issue, if any gentleman on the 'benches opposite
would get up now, and tell them the grws amount
of the sum which this country was called upon to
pay on account of the colonies, he would adroit that
he was wrong, and that the colonial were the best
kept accounts in the world.—(Hear and laughter.)
Sir G. MURRAY agreed that an estimate for the
colonies ought to be submitted to the House an,
nually.---(Hear.)—Steps had been taken for 0.-at
purpose ; but the House must see that the distance
of the colonies rendered it impossible that delay in
procuring the necessary information should not take

place.
Mr. WARBURTON begged to recall the atten-
tion of the House to the vote before them. It bp-
peared that these votes had 'originated in the West
India proprietors liking an expensive church esta-
blishment better than the cheaper and more desirable
religious instruction which the population before en-
joyed. The Moravian missionaries were better re-
ligious instructors, and were liked better ; but they
had been removed to make way for this expensive
system.
Mr. BERNAL contended, that the West Indian
colonies contributed much to the cost of their main-
tenance. Jamaica, for example, contributed largely
to the expenditure of the King's troops, as well as
of its internal government; and so 'in degree with
the other islands. Had the Four and a Half per
Cent. Leeward Isles' Duty been applied as it was
originally intended, the cost on the mother country
would have been much lessened.

Mr. W. HORTON, in answer to the Hon. Mem-
ber for Rochester, repeated, that the proposition for
the establishment and expense of new Bishops and
new churches in the West India colonies emanated
from the West India interest itself.
Mr. MABERLY thought more information re-
specting the colonies an indispensable preliminary
condition to granting any further sums of money for
defraying their expenditure.
In answer to a question from Mr. LABOUCHERE,

`The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
stated that a commission, consisting of Lords Ross-
lyn and Eliot, Mr. M. Fitzgerald, Sir W. Gordon,
and himself (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had
been appointed to inquire into the expenditure of
the colonies in all its branctivs.—(Hear.)
Mr. LABOUCHERE anticipated the best re-
sults from the Labours of the commission.
Sir G. MURRAY stated, in answer to a ques•
tion from Mr. Portman, that he should, if in office,
bring forward a c:ftionial budget every. year hencefor-
ward after the commission had made its report.—
(Hear)—quid l'hould endeavour to put the !Liu:. ni

fall possession of all the financial relations of the
colonies.—(Hear.)
Mr. PORTMAN heard the Right Hon. and
Gallant Gent.'s statement with much satisfaction.
Mr. GORDON should have much preferred an
inquiry by means of a Committee of-that House,
than by the intended commission of five official
gentlemen.
Mr. BROUGHAM was not satisfied in letting
6,0001., or 6001., or 61. be granted without some
information of its use and intended distribution.—
They were as yet entirely in the dark with respect to
the grant then under the Committee's consideration.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
begged leave to say that no vote was promised or
proposed to be promised to the colonies like the
present ; yet the Bishop had certified that the colony
had by subscription contributed a certain proportion
of the cost of the intended church, and the local
Legislature had voted its share. Then, and not till
then, did Ministers take it upon them to submit the
vote to Parliament.
Mr. MANNING said a few words to the same
effect.
Mr. P. THoMsoN and Mr. Huatit wished for more
information before the grant was voted, and should
prefer inquiring by committee to that by the com-
mission. If those noble and honourable persons
were acquainted with colonial matters, let them
give evidence before a committee.
The resolution was then agreed to.
8,0001. for the repairs of Milford Haven was the
next vote.—Agreed to.
The next vote was, " That a sum not exceeding
12,0001. be granted to his Majesty to defray the ex-
penses of erecting a state paper office for the year
1830."—Vote agreed to.
" That a sum not exceeding 4,7001. be granted to
his Majesty to defray the expenses of the Commis-
sioners of the Holyhead and Howth harbour roads
for the year 1830."—Agreed to.
" That a sum not exceeding 10,0001. be granted
to his Majesty to defray the expenses of the new
buildings at the British Museum for the year 1830."
—Agreed to.
" That a sum not exceeding 30,500/. be granted
to his Majesty to defray the expenses of the salaries
paid to the officers attached to the House of Lords
and Commons for the year 1830."
Mr. HUME was of opinion that the sum appeared
rather large for the purpose to which it was applied,
and gave notice that he should move to-morrow for
returns of all the details of the amount furnished.—
Vote agreed to.
" That a sum not exceeding 17,0001. be granted
to his Majesty to defray the miscellaneous expenses
attendant on the Houses of Lords and Commons for
the year 1830."—Agreed to.
" That a sum not exceeding 87,365/. be granted
to his Majesty to make good the deficiencies in the
fee fund, for the several public offices connected with
the treasury department.
Mr. R. GORDON did not propose to object to
the vote, but would recommend that the estimate
might be drawn up in a different form for the en-
suing year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
did not anticipate any opposition to the suggestion
of the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. PORTMAN stated that it had been his in-
tention to bring forward a motion for the reduction
of a very extensive class of salaries to the amount
of onc-tenth ; but he should defer doing so until
next Session, when he might be enabled to possess
himself of more information upon the subject. He
trusted, however, that the economical reforms of
Ministers themselves would render such a step un-
necessary.
Sir J. GRAHAM observed that the motion
which he intended to make to-morrow had for its
object the production of returns that would put the
House in possession of the precise amount of all the
salaries now received by the principal servants of
the Crown. It was not worthy of the Hon. Mem-
ber for Dorset or himself to stoop at comparatively
ignoble quarry, while the great birds of prey were
permitted to soar in the higher regions of the poli-
tical atmosphere unmolested.—(Hear, hear.)—Since
the existence of the distress which the people had
daily to struggle with, the only public officer who
had the consideration to come forward spontaneously
and relinquish a portion of his salary was the Duke
of Northumberland, the Irish Viceroy. At an an-
tecedent period Lord Camden alo, and Mr. Moore,
a gentleman who pre-eminently merited the grati-
tude of the country, had,much to their honour, made
similar sacrifices, but such conduct was not likely to
become popular with placemen ; and it therefore
became necessary that Government should commu-
nicate to the guardians of the public purse the
exact amount of the money which had thus been
appropriated. '1 he Hon. Baronet concluded with
desiring to be informed what was the meaning of
retired allowances and superannuations chargeable
on the Treasury.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said that it struck him, and he had already stated
his impression, that all the knowledge required by
the Hon. Baronet would be attained by the returns
moved for by the Hon. Member for Lincoln. With
respect to his own share of the salaries so uncour-
teously described by the Hon. Baronet, he could
only say, that the recompenee he received for his
services had been already enjoyed by all his prede-
cessors in office, and it was not to be endured that
he should therefore be stigmatized in a society of
gentlemen by the appellation of " a great bird of
prey."—(Hear, hear.)—He could assure the House
that Government was desirous of rendering every
information that could be reasonably required.
Sir J. GRAHAM acknowledged that a meta-
phor was sometimes a dangerous form of speech.
It was certainly far from his wish to say any thing
personally offensive to the Right Hon. Gentleman,
who could not fairly, be described as " a great bird
of prey ;" or, if he was one of the species alluded
to, it must be admitted that he soared without a
stair; upon his plumage.—(Hear, and laughter.)—
At the same time, while he made this concession,
he did not mean to depart from the spirit of his
original proposition. It was ungenerous to cut
down the perquisites of poor clerks, whets they
permitted the salaries of those who possessed rank
and fortune extrinsic of their office to remain undi-
minished.—(Hear.)—There was a great distinction
between his motion and that of the Hon. Member
for Lincoln, as he asked for information relative to
the salaries of members of the Privy Council, while
the motion_ of his Hon. Friend referred to the sala-
ries of all Officers of State down to those who were
in receipt of 2001. a year.
Colonel SIBTHORPE agreed with the Hen.
Baronet in thinking that the two motions by no
means interfered with each other.
Mr. HUME remarked that the account in 1797
was only 44,0001., and he saw no reason for any
subsequent increase.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Under
Secretary of the Treasury was to be paid 2,5001. a
year, without reference to previous services, which
was the ground alleged for giving that sum to Mr.
Hill, contrary to the Treasiury minute made in 1821,
by which it was arranged that the future appoint-
ments to that office should be at a salary of not ex-
ceeding 2,0001. a year. Since then, however, Colonel
Stewart was appointed at the same salary, though
there was no pretension for asserting that he had
the same claim for long services in the department.
A long and desultory discussion, or rather con-
versation, then ensued, as to the continuance of the
Under Secretary at a salary of 2,5001. a year, not-
withstanding the Treasury minute of 1821, which
limited the salary of future appointments to 2,0001.
in the course of this,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
(who addressed the Committee several times) ad
mitted that the Treasury minute of 1821 made thl
limitation of the salary as was stated, but on the
appointment of Mr. Hill, in 1824, it was considered
that his previous long and most valuable services
and his great qualifications for the office, entitled
him to the salary of 2,5001. 'De Right Hon.
Ventleman then proceeded to contend that the ap-

pointment of Colonel Stewart to the office at the',
same salary as that given to Mr. Hill, was justifiable
under the circumstances, was not in spirit a viola-
tion of the Treasury minute of 1821, and showed
no disposition to increase expense on the part of
Government. Colonel Stewart, he observed, had
served with great distinction in the Rifle Brigade;
lie was at the close of the war made Comptroller
of Army Accounts, in which situation he acted with
so much assiduity that he was sent to Ireland as
'Commissioner of Customs, where his laborious in-
vestigations into every department under him had
been productive of such savings to the public, that
Lord Liverpool, without any solicitation, placed him
in the vacant situation of Chairman of the Board
of stamps with a salary of 2,0001. In this situa-
tion his services were also conspicuous, from his
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) knowledge
of his great qualifications, he felt it his duty to re-
commend him to the appointment of Under-Secre-
tary to the Treasury, with the same salary as that
given to Mr. Hill, but in this arrangement there
was no actual loss to the public ; for in filling up
the Office of Chairman of the Board of Stamps
there was a Commissionership, with a salary of
1,0001. a year vacant, which was not filled up; so
that in effect there was a saving of 5001. a year to
the public on the whole arrangement.
In reply to this it was contended by Lord Milton,
Mr. Gordon, Mr. C. Wood, Mr. Hume, Mr. Stanley,
and Lord Howick, that the question was not what
savings had been made in the Board of Stamps,
but whether the Treasury minute of 1821 had been
observed; that the saving in the Board of Stamps
was a very proper one, but that it would not justify
a departure from the regulation of the Treasury in
1821 ; and that the new regulation of salary in the
appointment of Colonel Stewart would have the
effect, instead of making an exception to that of
1821, of turning the exception into the rule.
Mr. C. WOOD, following up the argument of
the preceding speakers, moved that the vote before
the Committee be reduced 500/. ; at the same time
he, in common with the other members who op-
posed the increased salary, disclaimed any intention
of undervaluing the services of Colonel Stewart.
Lord Howtex, Mr. MABERLY, and Mr. E.
DAVENPORT supported the amendment.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD, Sir G. WARRENDER, and a
Member whose name we did not learn, opposed it,
on the ground that it would be injustice to the
present holder of the office, who had been taken
from a situation in which he had not one-tenth of
his present labour and responsibility.
The Committee than divided, when there appeared,
For the amendment lO6
Against it
Majority
On our return to the gallery we found the Chair-
man putting the question, that he report, and ask
leave to sit again.
This was agreed to, and the House having re-
sumed, the Report was ordered to be received to-
morrow (this day.)
DESERTED CHILDREN (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord F. L. GOWER moved that the House do
resolve itself into a Committee on the Deserted
Children (Ireland) Bill. His object was merely to
put the House in possession of the alterations it was
s intention to propose, and that the Bill might be

printed.
Mr. O'CONNELL rose to move an adjourn
ment.—(" No, no.")—It was impossible that public
business could go on at that late hour (half-past
twelve) ; it might be gone through, but it could not
be done with justice to the country. Discussions
at that late hour could not be known to the public.
Mr. DOHERTY recommended the House to
consider the state of the question. The Noble
Lord had moved that a Bill of great importance to
Ireland should pass through a stage, in order that it
might be printed, and that opportunity the Hon.
and Learned Member for Clare had taken to move
the adjournment of the House.—(Loud cries of
" Hear.")—He (Mr. Doherty) should do great
injustice to him if he said he had stopped short
here. He had read the House a lecture on their
mode of doing business. He had said that speeches
delivered at that late hour were not given to the
public. But he would tell the Hon. and Learned
Member that there had been some speeches deli-
vered which had not yet received their proper an-
swer; and that till an answer had been made to those
speeches, the Hon. and Learned Member would do
well to abstain from lecturing the House.—(Hear.)
Lord F. L. GOWER repeated that his only
object was to submit his amendments in the Com-
mittee, in order that the house should be fairly in
possession of them.
Mr. S. RICE thought that this was not a proper
hour for public business; but as the present propo-
sition was not calculated to provoke a discussion, if
the motion for adjournment was persisted in he
should vote against it.
The gallery was then cleared for a division ; but
Mr. O'CorcIELL withdrew his motion.
On our re-admission, the House was in com-
mittee on the Bill, and
Mr. O'CONNELL was replying to the observa-
tions of Mr. Doherty. He said that when he came
into the House, he had resolved not to allude to sub-
jects which had agitated Ireland ; his desire was to
bury them—(Hear)--but instead of being met with
a reciprocal feeling, he had been taunted and attacked
upon those topics. He now asserted that he was
not only ready, but able to prove all he had asserted
anywhere respecting the trials alluded to; and he
now gave notice, that cn Tuesday he should pre-
sent some petitions on the subject of the affair at
Borrisokune, and the Doneraile conspiracy. There
was a word which had fallen from him which he had
not evidence to establish. It might have been wrong
n him not to have entered upon this discussion be-
fore, but it was contrary to his temper and disposi-
tion to enter into those subjects. There were more
motives to silence than one. He should only refer
to a power recently assumed by the Government of
Ireland, which was one of the most despotic ever
exercised.
Lord F. L. GOWER said that when the Hon.
and Learned Gent. took credit to himself for feelings
of moderation, he (Lord F. L. Gower) might be
allowed to advert to the speeches which the Hon.
and Learned Gent. had made where they could not
be answered, and which had been circulated through-
out Ireland. With respect to the acts of the Go-
vernment of Ireland, to which he bad adverted, there
had been none whichlie was not prepared to support.
Mr. DOHERTY and Mr. O'CONNELL explained.
The Bill was then passed through the Committee,
—Report to be considered on Monday.
The Court of Session (Scotland) Bill passed the
Committee.—Report to be considered on Monday.
The Bogs' Drainage (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time, and passed.
Mr. F. LEWIS moved the third reading of the
Navy Pay Bill.
DEMISE OF TIIE CROWN BILL.
Mr. HUME moved for leave to amend and ren-
der perpetual the Act 57th Geo. 111. c. 55, to con-
tinue every person in office at the demise of the So-
vereign, until removed or discharged therefrom by
the succeeding King or Queen of the realm.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
opposed the Bill, as an innovation of the Constitu•
tion of the country.
Colonel DAVIES supported the Bill.
After some further conversation, in which Colonel
Dundas, Mr. A. Dawson, Mr. Wynn, Colonel
Wood, Mr. Hume, and the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer took a part, Mr. Hume withdrew his mo-
tion, on the understanding that he should bring in a
Bill to render unnecessary the payment of fees upon
the renewal of the offices contemplated in his motion.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned at Half-past Two o'clock

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Edge, who has been four times married, has buried three
wives, and has been once tried for his life. He has
aho
been twenty-four times to Whitworth " rush-Learing"
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