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:uly eletted, and
that neitierTitie P.e*atitidiv;;, nor" the opposition to
them, were frivolous or vexation-S."'
A new Writ was ordered. to fill up the vacancy
declared by the Committee.
Colonel Sritu'r;ipicieriteda Declaration from Mr.
?tiller, one of. the. 11/Tenit;efs,ter:Bl.l4sex,-`4lechiting,
that it was not his !maniac to 4tenc.l4fia Xleetiun:
against the Petitions al,Folonel .Sergisoo. and certain
Freeholders. The consitlertition Of the Petitions was
Adjourned to the T4lll of March,' in order to:allow.,
the length of the notice required to be given to We •
Sheriff andCoutity, under the said Ad of Parliament.
Mr. FOSTER brought in a Bill for amending the
lawstelatlve to the Boman Catholic College at Mey- •
413a11) in Ire:and. The principal objed of the
Amendment is to give power' to the Trustees to
compromise suits for lands
,purchased on account of
College,—The Bill was read'aiirst time •
In consequence of the ill health. cf" .54 'Home
Popham., leave of absence was
,giveu Oehiin for a
nienth.
, LUSHINGTON on the same,groond, postponed
the Motion of which he had given notice ter to-.
"'crrow, respe6ting advances trom the Droits of
the Admiralty Fund to Sir Home Popham:
On the Motion of Sir J. 'NEWPORT, an Account
Was, ordered of the number of Gallons of home
Wade Spirits on which the Duty had been paid in
kgland, Ireland, and Scotland, respectively, since
the year ;Dios.
jdr- HUtiXISSON brought up Bills for carrying into.eQ late arrangement with the Batik, . for the
better Managetnent Of the National Debt.—Read a
-.Y't time, and ordered to be read a second time to--
itairre‘v •
veyAol:°of s
ailoutbhijeicii
et Bill for Abolishing the Office of Sur.'
~ London. e""
d PettyCustuini in the Port of
AND AUSTRIAN OFFERS OrMEDIA..
'FION. • • .
„Mr. *WHITBREAD gave atorice, t! at on this day
iut ritnielit he should.subnlit to the House some Re 7
I‘`;'4lions, involving an ()pinion on the conduel of his.
Ministers in respect to tile offers of
made by the Emperor of Russet and, tile .4ri-,-
parer of Austria, with a to the restoration of
tace between Great Britain and Vraoce; and also
.s
I.,?! opinion with iespeat to the propriety of opening a •
tmeautiation for Peace at the present time. He also
ic; notice, that he should to-morrow move for cer-
tn Papers, to.fill,up the chasm ii the information/
sVibeiwe the House, relative to this subjed, and
tifto lieularly feral Dispatch containing the substance
u 43 subject
held by the Emperor Alexander on
43 subjeot with a peeaon accredited to him un the,
41 of his Majesty.
to4lr. Secretary CANNINS felt himself called upon
ta;4Y, even now, that any Paper purporting tocon-
tGt tne conversation of any Crowned Head, , could
witl?...propriety be laid before Parliament.
r• witiTßitu.4l3 said there: had been many in-
,„'itees in which statements of conversations with
Crowned Heads had beeti laid betere Parliament.
the Bill for Regulating the Office of "freasurer of
;L'44 Nvy, and d
the Brazil Trade Bill, were read a
int t aithe, an passed.
EXcutEQU Eft BILLS.
'1 he House in,a Committee of Ways and Means
l'oied an issue. of Exchequer Bills *to. the amount of
10,600,0001.. to replace the same amount issued last
/ell'. The Report to be received to-morrow.
ASS EssED TAXES.
j iIQ Wein D wialied' to know from the Right
Way tte(:.'leiticellor of the Exchequer, whether it
lir"s intention to oiler, within a short time, any
; m
eto the House on the subjectof the- As-
Make axes. He had. himself some suggestions to
Would with rep to the Income Tax, which lie.
reserve tor the Right: Hon. Gen tleinan's mea-
. wire, 11 there was any such in contemplation, but lie
riti.<4er them in distinct shape,' if the Bight
°ll. Geotleman liaktno such intention.
lai ilhe CH N ACELLOR V. the EXCHEQUER d
fro' that nt consequence of the alterations adOpred
lilll6e various suggestions sent to him from a mul-;
t'ude of quarters, it had bocoons necessary to form
inhta provisions lie had submitted in the last Session
„° a new Bill. -This Bill was in preparation, and
Lough he could not say at what precise: time it could
rhlaid before the House, he ‘vould recommend to
o lHen. Gentleman to defer his Motion, till he
a Li
- how tar the Bill would go .. to -meet his-.
Ah• WARD acquiesced.
ottnFtts OF COUNCIL.
PONSUiVIiY conceiving that thei. Papers
!clteerning thestate of our relations with America,
granted iti the Oilier House, and to be moved fur,
Iva he suPPOsed; granted in this House to-day;
I.lid require some time for the perusal; in order to
art.ain how they-have borne on the question' re-
it:1;767114 the Orders in Council, hoped the Chancel-
th the
Exchequer would have ito objethou to put'
Oraeressienc,"d reading of the Bill .ter-carrying these
kooday.LoAeffeCt till; 'Thursday, or, if necessary; till
Neutral merica was the chief, ft not the only,
principally err
Power at Present, and as'AMcrien would be
viouldre, e°e(l, every point in which the Orders
teirate uno_
r Li her was•msterial to.be consider-
The Bill
liver ,
.11,4 besides, was only-now ready for'de-
then3l', and it was impossiblei
selves 1-6 Gentlemen could
.make
Narrow. su ctent y masters of its provisions by to-
di
rinot e CILINCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
think the unratified Treaty with America
It mould bear on the question Of the Orders: of Council.
All of the utmost 'importance that the Public'
the 1:18 eallY, as possible, be put in possession of
ve.., particulars of the regulations and duties under
Theeign trade. was to he carried on in all the.
to'tiTY of circumstances.' The discussion on the se-
repting would turn on the principle which had
orL?itictissed. once before, -and reuired- uo in-
bo;;_4.',' c, He was 'therefore averse to the post-
v ernent.
zit. TIERNEY presSed for time. When the
totit Hon. 'Gentleman- had suffered the Orders-of
to. be afloat 'from Nov:' .1' I, to Jan.' 2 1
twillet,l out calling Parliament together' -to sanction
„ '33 he did not sic any such tirgentiteCessitynevy
r
the the House to proceed without reading
es4avy Papers or even the Bill itself., Atter
1,2°1e
,ttle fulth
.er cooversation, in which Mr. Ponsonby
arguments tot delay, and the Chased=
Exeltecqr his for dispatch ; sot ba
"`"4l's r. Ruse in sit .sort of the latter
°D, AN-Mr. W:bitbr4,l. iktayeut;el the fdt4

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was d

Met,
l‘fr. 1 libberts recalled to the' Tectilleetton of
the; Hribse,-•that only the Icigality of the Ordth in
Coancit had:been discussed on the former 'oight, the
pelicyef them, beingby express consent resetved lot-
, another opportunkty.-.The consent to such an under-
t iitandititt desired on the pctrt.Of • his Majesty's
114inisfers,i hq the: Chancellor -of the Exchequer,
la.vbver, allowed, that it had
,been chinned by
!,the. Gentler-nen on the other Side, Who had, 'so hir
'its they were conCerhed, discassed the point of
He would consent to defer the.' second
reading, till Thursday, if the Hon. 'Gentleman would
be prepared to come to the Debate that day: bat n 8
longer'd-lay'conld 'he admit. Lord H. Petty argued
at sortie length for an extension of the time. He
contended also for.the regularity of making motions
without giving Holietl for the adjournaient of pre.-
ceedingstoMing ph prethaturely. lle was answered
by Mr. Calming, who said this had been done only
• by the persons who originated the specific measure,
or with their consent. Mr. Sheridan commented
on this new Order; which entirely turned the old
out of doors,•-as equally unfit for nuxlern pra&ice as
the old Morality exploded of late on.the other Side.
" The questiOn for reading the order of the day was
then put, with an understood intention on the part
of the Opposition, to put off the second reading till
AlOnday.
On a division, these appeared, for the Motion 81.
Against it 188.
On the opening of the Gallery the 'House was
found again in debate on the propriety of delaying
the second reading till Thursday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER conceiving
that the delay till Thursday had been rejefted by the
Hon. Gentlemen opposite, and the delay till Mcin-
day negatived by the. House, was for proceeding tib-
nloirow,ns had been originally intended...
LOrd TEMPLE, seeing the the HouSe proceeding
without a question, moved the question of adjourn-
ment.
The. question being seconded, Lord H. PETTY
argued, that thobgh he lOOked upon the sense of
the •Hoaseras' decisive against adjourning till Mon-
day,. the, consent. of the Bight Hon. Gentleman to
delay till Thursday, and the reasons of that consent,
were still in force. .
The 'enkscuLtcia of the EXCHEQUER at length
assented to:' the delay till Thursday, on 'the.under-
..standing that no torther delay would be required.--
The-question of adjournMent was witlfdraWn.
DatttaANELLES'ANDALEXANDRIA.
. .111 r. TAYLOR rose pursuant tet notice, to 'enciVe
"for Papers necessary to give a proper understanding
of tie particulars connected with the Expeditions to
'the. Dardanelles and to Alexandria. The frequent
references that had been niade to these transactions,
'in the discussions on the affair of Copenhagen,. to
which they had beeo assimilated in principle, ren-
:detect a more particular investigation of them neces-
•sary. It was contended, whatever differences there
maybe in appearance', and certainly there was great
difference in point of execution and event, the prig •
.chile of right of .attacking a neutral Power was ex-
actly the same. But it was not merely to estimate
the comparative right and propriety' of these attackS,
on neutral Powers, that the Papers he ;was about to
mote for ought, to be before the Rouse. it was
usual when it had been thought-right to go to war,
with a Power before friendly, to make some corn-
' munieation to Parliament with respect to the fag
and the motives. Now we were involved in a war
with Tut key, brought on by these attacks, and no
communication what: ..)evr had been made to Parlia-
metyt on the subject, ,It was no.party motive had
inciqced him to brieg.forward this 1110HOLL He was
not,connected with any party, and he had commu-
nicated only with One or two Members on the sub-
jea; :-Having a short time been resident in Turkey,
and,conversant, with the manners of the .people and.
their iotachmeitts, his attention wps naturally
engaged by the dispatches from his Majesty's Am-
baSfardrirs and.+Uotnnianders in the Danianelles, and
with ,every attention he was able tol;ive. he ,could
neither discover why the armament went., nor why
it came away. Whatever may be the policy of the
Copenhagen Expedition; it'at ,least afforded an emi-.
tient-example:Of judicious management and able ex-
ecution, When a transaCtioo of that sort was thought
by some to call for inquiry, he could not bring him-
aelt to think a transaction in which the character of
thoNayy, the favourite service of the: country, was •
brought in question by ill success, ought to be suffer-
edto pas without an investigation, which would tix
the blame of the 'failure where it ought justly tei
TtieSe. were the mothres.which had induced him to
bring:this subjed.before the HOLlse. He would ab-
stain from pronouncing any opinion till the Papers
which' were to guide his judgment; es-t that of
theiHouse, should beproperly considered. Fla would
enumerate shortly the circurostauces .pf the trans-
actioo 'The British Fleet appeared at the entrance
I of the Dardanelles on the 29th of January, taw,
While-the thatish Ambassador was stilLat Constan-
tinople. The British Fleet attacked
.111 u Castles,
and; forced its passage, burning a Turkish frigate.
The British Fleet remained twelve days before Con-
statainoplei and then cinue back the' same way,
without doing any thing farther. This situation was
one in which no -British Officer would wish to re-

or ought to ho stitfered to' 'reniatti, without
inquiry. The Papers which he would move for
would, go to sheo why the Brit;sll Squadron had
gone to the Dardanelles, why it had come away,
and what had been done there. He moved, that
there be laid before the House a Copy of the Treaty
of Alliance, offensive and defensive, between his
Majesty and thePttoman Porte, signed at Constan-
tinople, Jan. 5,1799, by his Majesty's Ministers, Sir
Sidney Smith and Mr Spencer Smith ; also a Copy
of any' Secret Article of the said Treaty' regu-
lating the, paisage, of; the DardaticAles by British
ships of war; a Copy of a asp.. xti of Lord Elgin,
relative to the Exchange of the Ratifications of the
Said Treaty; a Copy -Of any Treaty, existing bet ween
the Porte and .Russia on the igth January, 1807 ;
Copies of the Letters of the Secretary of State to
Mr. Aroinhtiot, his /Viajesty's Ambassador at Con-
stantinople,' at the time of the British Squadron
prodeddingto that place; and of Mr. Arbuthnoes
Dispatches after the arrival of the squadrOn; Copies
of the Instru6tions issued to Lord Collingwood, and
of those issued by him to Sir John Duckworth; a
Copy of a. Letter'from Sir Sidney Smith, to Sir John
Duckworth, relating to the burning of a Danish
ship. in the Dardanelles; and Copies, generally, of
all the 'Correspondence of Lord Collingwood, and
the Officers sent- by laial of this service. •

Ltard'titsiiis seconded the auction.
Secretar'y CANNING, after wfil tin.- a few-a
s
moments to try if an)' one wind& ritielltrthe other
"side, t 'Gen tlemeb There beink*PartitiWrly itnerestsrl
`ecl in this subject, tmd therefore nattiftilly suppo4edl
to' he AilXiOtt,:,. to take the earliest,:oppdtinnity of tiem
livering,. their sentiments, felt hit now called
upon, in-consequence'dfitheii-gile'nce, to states-What :1
tits sense of his duty ssiggested to' hint with respell
to the thotiOn how of eted. He had said, on a former
'night, that the motion vtR-4 brought fOrwerd:without
'his knoWledge or cencurrencer the. Hon. MOver had ,
stated the same thing this nieht: Nor having the'ho-
noUr of alt aCqiitilittance 'with the. Hon. Gentleman,
'be bad had no means of ascertaining the .nature.of
'-the information he meant to call for, till thelion. •
Gentletnan did WM the honour-to transmit to him,'
'this morning, a list of ' the Papers he meant to move:,
fOr. Since that thoe he had considered and investi-•1
gatb.d all the circumstances as mudh •as the time al- 1
lowed; and be Weuld now state how far it was pos-
sible and proper to comply with each of • the Mo-
(*tens. The first Motion, relating to the Treaty, ofl
Alliatice With the Porte; there could be 'no diffi-
cult), df acceding' to. The Treaty was matter 'of
public record ana notoriety, and therefore there
could be no reserve with respeet to it. Mto any
Secret Articite'regalating the Passage of the Darda-
nelles by British ships of war, he could find no traces
of such an article, thnugh he could not say that there
WAS in feel no such article. 'On reference to the books
of the Foreign Office, it was'found that the Treaty
had been for a time taken away by a persoticonneEt-
Fa With the office, and not returned to the custody of
the Librarian, to whom it properly belonged. Till
the Treaty was got back, it could hot be ascertained
whether there was or was not a secret article of the
'feature alluded to. There could be no difficulty
in prodUcing a copy of dispatch of Lord Elgin, re-
lative to the exchange of the ratifications Of the Trea-
ty. With respeEt to any Treaty between Russia and
the Porte, in force clan. 19, 1807, he did not con-
ceive how that could be laid before the House. His
Majesty's Government was seldom in possession of
such copies of the Treaties of threign Powers as could
be laid before Parliament, unless when such Treaties
were to be made tdte basis of any arrangement here.
He was not prepared to say whether the Treaty be-
tween Russia and the Porte contained any stipulation
to which Riatain was invited to accede. But the
Treaty was matter of notoriety to be found in all the
books of Public Papers, and of course may be refered
to without difficulty' in debate. The copies of the
Correspondente between the Secretary of State and
Mr. Arbuthnot were in the office, .as well as the
Official Notes during the transaEtions,in the'Darda-
nelles, and they may be produced if the HouSe should
think proper. Copies of the Orders to Lord Caine.:
wood, and from him to Admirals Duckworth and
Louis, may also produced. The, letter of Sir
Sidney Smith he had not hecn able to find ; but
when it should be found, it marbeprOducedas well
as the rest. Ho bad thus far gone over the list for
the satisfaaion of, the Hon.. Gentleman ,who had
made the motion. For himself, he saw no ground
for instituting an inquiry under present circumstan-
ces. •But he Was' persuaded, the House would feel
that hii Majesty's Ministers were called upon to give
every information, when, the production of all that
could be given was called for by the Hon. -Gentle.;
men who composed the Administration under which •
this transaaion had taken place. He had followed
'literally theorder of the:motions made by the; Hon.
Gentlemau.. It was impossible for hint to be aware
what view the Hon. Gentlemen opposite sok of the
motion. They would state themselves how they
*ished to arrange and modify the production of the
documents ; they would state when they saw dehs
ciencies, and 'how these deficiencies were to be sup-
Plied. If no public ipconvepietice would arise, their
wishes would meet the most ready compliance. He
' was nit aware. of ;any praElical benefit that could
arise to the Country 'from the investigation pro-
; hot afte'r what had beeu ;Jai& on the other
side, he did not Teel himself at liberty to dissuade.
the House from going into it.
GRENVILLB waited for the Right Hon.
Secretary to state how tar his sense of public duty
would alloy hint to comply with the motions offered.
Till he should have heard the Hoff. Secretary's senti-
ments on,this head, he could not kuow what further
• information it would be neceasary for him to call fur
by supplementary motion. The Correspondence
with Mr. Arbuthnot was extremely voluminous,
much of it, no bearing on the question the Holt.,
Gentleman's speech referred to. He could not say
how much of that correspondence may be necessary
to giVe the House just.grounds to forte its judgment.
When the' Right Hon. Gentleman should have pros
dui* alt ,he intended to give under the motions now
made, he should -consider what further. information
it would be necessary for him to call for. He
agreed with the Honourable Mover, that no opi-
nion 'ought to be expressed till the House. should
have p()S4eriti,k4l, of the proper documents.
But he thooglit the Honourable Gentleman differed
from his viva rule, and expressed upon tioin'epointa'
stronger Opinions than were warranted in the first
stage of an enquiry. From the ;change which bad
taken place ill bis Majesty's Councils, the llue Mi-
nister's bad not the advantage ofbeiug in .possession
of 'the Papers principally relating 'to the transactions
in the Dardanelles, and therefore .they could not
know what these Papers contented material or im-
material toiheir cause. Inrthe Admiralty, from the'
peculiar tnanuer in which the business ,wasoarried.
op formally_ by the Board in general, but often con-
fidentially by the First Lord alone, who was gsine-
rani, a—Member of the Cabinet, and who often did
not think it necessary to communicate, to .the.. Beard
what he did. Thus a correspondence frequeutly pass-
ed between the First Lord and t Cowmandel:of an
Expedition, which was not Communicated to the
Board. Having been himself in the situation of First
Lord of the Admiralty at the time of the transactions
which were referred to in the Hotiourablv Gentle-.
man's motions, he could not ascertain whether 411,
that had passed through his hands Was to be had in
the office., But a great part. of the dispatches bad
arrived after, and of this
.be could kuow nothing 1

Whatsoever. It .would appear by the Report
Thomas Louis, who ‘...11 sent to examine the state
of the Turkish Fleet, the arsenals and castles of the
Dardanelles, on the sth of I),x:ember, that the Hon.
Admiral thought the force sent amply sufficient.
This was six weeks before the Expedition. He'was

anxious to have before the House the Dispatch of
Lord Collingwood respeeting this Report, He had

iii
this view wiltten'tk.'thfr Ward, (A. Admiralty, tOt -
ascertain Wheth ra er the per:was in their office. Tleie
Board returned-for, attwer, that no soth Paper wag
to b arid that they doubted
wh:tifte°rtxtli'sttedli6i.."fl-Ifiec7then, sent theM his 'own
'copy, which,; after pressing.:-it as strongly as.he
could -Aspen 0101)1 on Ipuhlte grounds, they twice
returned as not. essential ,to any public service;
and relating to a transa4ion wholly gone
trausaCtion in which Lord .CollingwoOd's con:-
du'A may possibly be, implicated, on the ground
of sending an insufficient. force, its ,the Dar-
danelles, could not be properiv.leaked upon with
such inditference ; for though be did not meart
to throw, any part of the responsibility off him-
self on any body, yet Certainly Lord Collingwood
may be suppesed to have most to do with the sp.
pointment .of the rate of force sent. Neither -was it
,respeCiful to Parliament to resist a document so pro.. t
per to throw light on a matter, about which an in.-
quiry was to be instituted in the House of Commons.
With respect to the aggravated statement of attack-
ing a neutral and an ally in time of peace, it would
appear by the instruaioni to ,Lord
.Collingwood
thefthe attack was-not .to be made on Alexandriap
nor any hostile step teken, till our Ambassador Should ,
have infermed the Admiral that the relations of peace
and *lily hadteased to exist. Lord CullingwoOd,
being, absent in the Mediterranean, be knew not
hoW the House could be put in possession ofthe
im-
portant Papers he had referred to, except in the man-
ner 'he had proposed, and be left it to the House to
judge of the fairness with which he had been treated
by the Board of Admiralty..
,He hoped the House
would give bias at least the relief of considering the
Paper in his hands as authentic. He hoped the fullest
information would be granted, and he challenged the
fullest inquiry upon that information.
:on which
Mr. W POLE explained the grounds
the Board of Admiralty had conceived it impossible
to main the Papers sent by the Right Hon. Gentles
man. The office of Lord High Admiral being exe-
cuted by Commissioners, it was necessary that all
orders should be signed by three of those Commis-
sioners. The First Lord was unquestionably in the
habit of private correspondence with Officers on ser-
vice-; but no Officer would be justified' in aging on
such private communication. Even in the Right
Hon. Gentleman's letter to,Lord Collingwood, he
had adthitted this, by stating, that his Lordship would
receive official instru&ions on the subject. Those in-
struetions were sent; duplicates of them were now in
the-AdmitaltrOffice, and .Might be produced if re-
quired.- He begged to call to the recolleCtion of the
Right Hon. Gentleman, the .praCtice.of the Admiralty
when a private communication to or from the First
Lord was made official. The First Lord brought it
to the Board. It was read by. the Secretary ; a mi-
nute was Made of the transaCtione an order proceed..
ed upon it, and that document remained in the
Office. Surely then, the Right Honourable Gentle-
man could never contend,. that letters of su old a
date; which he had never communicated at all to
the Board instil the last four or' five days, ought to
be received as official. It was impossible to find a
precedent for such a proceeding on the records
of the Admiralty Office ; and belted searched nar•
roWly fur that purpose. .11 the principle were admit-
ted, whatlwould prevent any private person, who had
belonged to any Board at any period, from sending to
that Board any private papers, and insisting upon their
being received as official documents> On this sub-
je& he could appeal with confidence to any Gen-
tleman who had sat at. the Admiralty Board. There
was no disposition to prevent the Right Hon. Gen-
'tleman front obtaining his object. He would, tell
him how .he could perhaps get at it. Probably Lord_
Collingwood had sent Sir I'. Louis's Report to the
Admitalty, in which case it could certainly. be pro-
duced. If the Right Hon. Gentle Man, in the pleni-
tude of his power, fancied that he was Lord Liigh
Admiral, and that he could a& us such without as.
sistence, he wa; very much mistaken.
Mr. GRENVILLE explained, and defended himself
from the imputation of having arrogated a conse-
quence that slid not belong to.him.
Mr. G. JOHNSTONE deprecated the Motion,
as tending to pioduce only crimination, reccintina-
flora, and bitterness. 'He could see no praCtical good
resulting from an inquiry into the conduit of the
Gentlemen opposite.
• Mr. WlNDlLlMinquired, whether the vindica-
tion of the late Ministers from the uulounded.ca-
lumny thatrhad been thrown on their charadtes on

the subjed, would not be a practical good resulting
from the inquiry. Every body knew that the private
letters or First Lord of the Admiralty could not be
authoritative ; but whatbad that to do with the pre-
Sent Board of Admiralty's receiving and recording
the communications that an Ex-First. Lord chose to
make ? thought the office ought to befull. of such
communicattjus, and particularly of. such :reports ar
that 01 Sir I'. Louis.

Lurd ad STLER EAGH, although he did not seep
that the inquiry could be of any pratlical
yet as the Gentlemen opposite had felt their charge-,
tern to be so involved, that they declared it to Ile a
duty to them to put Parliament in possession of wail
possible information on the subjet, would not stand
between them and the produaioti of that information.
Afterr-arguing at some length on t 1 impropriety of
pressing the Admiralty to receive a private commu-
nication as an official document, he observed, that
if the Gentleman thought his private
letter would be useful to his cause, let him come and
read it to the. House, and not attempt. to give it that
to which it was not entitled, the saalion of a pub-
lic 13nard. .Adverting to the severe censure which
liis Right Hon,' Friend had experienced for having
read extracts from official documents in his speech,
he `instanced (among many others) a precedent of ,
such a proceeding by a Noble Lord, at that period a
MeMber of the House of Commons (Lord Grey),
who, towards the close of Mr. Pitt's Governinens,"
eh a debate with reaped to military operations, did
furnish himself with an extract of a. letter at his
(Lord Castlereagh's), which he brought down to the
House and deliberately rend. As to Sir T. Lotiis'i
letter, he.believed it was now is the Admiralty Of-
fice. . ,

Mr. TIERNEY defended his Noble Fi ;owl from

the accusation attempted to be,preferred against hitt).
Had .he garbled the letter of the Noble 1...0rzi ? Had
he endeavoured to give-to k a tueauini,,, which it 'did
,
not possess ? It was certainly necessai y that h;;;,ALI..
jesty's Ministers themselves sho'nld, come to a:t 114-
derstneding on this' subject, for, ;be had beard it
stated, that some of them doclared, that to read ei.

'(it'hC."l

St,,te Was`an highly iniproper .'Burbe
understood the Ilight''HonotittWe .Gentletnnu-np-
poiite had- reecired 'l6/Severe a reptirnand4vorn
the highest' Chatieler in the State, that he would
not increase the mortiftoinion which he must
foci, by dwelling on the subjects. The most im-
pott.nit view of. the preienf question, wits not as it
rtlatetd to 1?13 'tight Hon.irand, hut ;is it reiVf,ted
o'n his Majesty's charaftetl,- nnc on his Majesty's
arms: -His Majesty's late, Ministers 'had been de-
nomfced as having. exposed the King's charader to
great' degradation,. biwing
.coMmenCed
11,4,.'in'iDeclaration of War, and 'for having exposed
his mins to dishonour by a deficiency In their mill—
tory planS. He severely censored the argument of
t:.e Hon. ,Gentleman: opposite, who had recom-
niondect that no inquiry should take plar:e on the
subjeel. Tibet might_ judge (tom that Hoti Gentle-
man's shouts 'and looki, during the speech'. of the
Right lion. Gentleman opposite on a late evening,
he approved of reading garbled extracts from letters
s%en they went► to support persons in office ; but
he spewed to disapprove the produ&ion of whole
umentx, which tended to shewthe public that
hA at least as faithful savants on that side of
the 1-fonse as on the other.

.
Mr. •.Jowirroxi, m.explanation, •declareel, that
hot Hononrable Secretary, on reading the
cis to which the flight .Honourable Gentleman
nett niet his RplirObatioll.
l lac' CiPkiNCBLLOIi .ef the EXCHEQUER
~,,,,nght the Papers should be preduced. An Ho-
.)urable Gentleman had made a .motion, accom-
mit,d' with observations; pointedly criminating
the Gentlemen opposite, who wished ter the .Papers
to enable them to meet the accusation. • Unless,
therefore, the produCtion .of •the Papers, would' be
attended with-public inconvenience, whieh'clichtot
appear toolle.the case, ho could see no ground tor
ithholding them.. He vindicated. the Admiral-
ty trout the imputation of :having aeted in an un-
manly and-uticandid manner to the Right Honour-.
able Gentleman, If they•had suppressed,' or ifithey
bad burned, his communications, they Might hive
justly been, accused ; but by returning them,
they gave him the oppditutlity of bringing them be-
low' the public in any other shape which he chose.
Mr. GRENVILLE explained.
Mr. Caoxita would have, .been bet tee pleased, if
P:pera 'had been called few which would have thrown
hght on the planning of the Expedition, rather,
that) •on the execution.' of it ; he thought that the
Admiralty were bound to refuse the Right Hon.
Centleman's letters, as they had done. , •
A Member whose name we could not learn, de-
procnted,the discussion.
Admiral MARKHAM ' stated what be knew with
respect to the proceedings of the AdMiralty Board in
transafit ions. He thought that Sir T. Louis's
letter was a fair produetion of his Right Hon.
Friend's, and that it ought to have been received by
the Admiralty.
On the suggestion of Mr. JOHNSTONR, one of the
Motions uniletwent tin alteration, .by having it ex-
pressed, for !f Copies of such Letters as pissed be-
tween 'Mr. Arbuthnot and the Secretary of State,
telative to the Expedition'te the Dardanelles, lnd
the-Causes of the War betwwn this Country and
Turkey:"
This Motion, in its.fuended state, rind all the
others were,' after a few obsemaions, agreed to.

not go so far as his Bight 4on.".Friencl, hasck:lo,y-,
Jedged that it might ,be;;propet.,
.siotweitnes to,?Mitke
"communications•to ,Parliainenf of
to; but thought tiny. wcr ought: not
.tn make too
easy an- avenue,. to the introdualon of ,su.:ll getter4l
prat-lice. r.:
could notAaor to hear in bilenee,
!'such Janguage;as hack'bven i Right Hon.
Secretary, Int.the best times of, English hist ory„the.
conduellot.per,aonslin the lAigheSt Aations, whether
141inigter o,l:.Prince%.were•opent, , fairly., and:boldly_
I:discussed in Parliament: it was only at,the rriost din-
' graceful periods that we tind great tuen,bave,shronk
trom.ptiblicity, and Parliament was .too easily led by
confidence in a great name, or a high-sounding
If Members of Parliament were to understand that
the power of France had this etfe6l, they had,better
say to their Constituents, that the power of Buona-
parte was so gre=at,: that it not only subverted or .rais-
ed up kingdoms at will upon the
,Continent, but
that it succeeded ih robbing them of their free Con-
stit ittion. . •
Mr.. WitiralAbi said. a few words to the same. ef-
fea. The House then divided, and the numbers.
were--

For the Motion - - 82
For.the Amendment - -I'2

Majority Go • •
Lord HENRY Pirrvtr.moved, that an !nubble Ad-
dress be presented, to his 'Majesty, praying that he
may be most graciously pleased to order, that there
be..laid before the House; Copies of the Communica-
tions between our Government and that of the United
States of America, respeding.a Treaty between the
.two Nations.—Ordered.

On the Motion of Dr, LAWiIIiNCE, it was agreed
that-soave documents relative to Prize Causes in the;
Admiralty; be laid before the House. • •
Adjourned at fialf fast Twelve.. ,

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