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London, England, 1839-04-25 00:00:00

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FRENCH CHAMBER of DEPUTIES.

IMPOR'f ANT DEBATE.

CF T:: SITTING OF APRIL 2

rte report published in The Sun of ye•.t,rday. 1:roug1 t
tit • I.,rouflclin;:a clown to the s:)eecl3 of M. Gaizqt, who
Lifowe,l M. Thit,is, and is whielt he gave account of
Bert he had Lorne' in the re.rpective combinations, en-
dtmvouring to d mopstrate that he had not been a cause of
their failure. 110 had even prevented the newspapers de-
voted to a:.d his friends from idluuing to the crisis,
lest they should give off•nce. He and M. Duchatci
refus.ecl to entt-r into a Coalition Cabinet, at one moment
Orly completed, b:'cause it was stipulated that the elec-
tou of M. (Mika flaaTor, rnad,e a Cabinet
tr.estion. Ile was influenced in. this deterndnit!,ion by an
mpression that to nn.ke the questi,n ( M. 0•Iillon Bar; r,t's
• ection) a C tbioet one, would offend and intimidate the
C 'Tnervit ivrs, while it wool r. go trio far t.,: wards binding
the Government to tho gauche party, is being his can-
v.ction that a Cabinet fa-rned of the gaveche and centre
yarirthe could not stand, and that a ,Montary taken from
he df the two centres (of which he and M. Driers
are the loaders) was the only one that could endure for
soy I ngth of time wad carry one the public business for
the advantage of the country.
The Marquis of Dalmatia (son of Matshr.l Soult), in the
name of his father, declared that the Marshal assumed all
the responsibility belonging to the part he had performed
in those negociations, and exonerated the King from all
blame for all delays that had taken place. Ile contended
that the Presidency of the Chamber was more than that
relating to Spain the qu,stion which caused the failure of
the Wan for a Government proposed by M. Thiers, and
presented by Nhriltal Sault to the King. •
M. Thiers de.:ied the correctness of this latter statement.

M. Passy commenced by saying that the King had ac-
epted the programme or prospectus of the system which
Thiers bad drawn up. The failure of the proposed
combination was therefore owing to some other cause than
that. Three weeks subsequently to the 21st March had
been spent in mere gossipping, when be stated to
Marshal Soult his opinion that no further time ought
to be lost in reconstructing the Government. The
qarslial replied. " Try what you can do, and I shall see
hat can be done with it." He (M. Passy) looked upon
tais as an authorization to proceed to draw up the plan of a
2abineti and accordingly applied to several leading De-
:•uties, and in particular to M. Thiers, who declared his
.eadiaess to enter upon office on honourable terms, that is
to say, as Minister for Foreign Affairs, to which post he
M. Passy) considered that gentleman to have acquired a
positive right. Having obtained the consent of the indi-
viduals to whom he so applied, he (on Saturday last) re-
turned to Marshal Sault, who, to his astonishment, de-
clared that M. Thiers could not he allowed to have the
Ministry for Foreign Affairs, but might have either the
Finance Department or that of the Interior. The friends of
Ai. Thiers,who had !Yin employed to act for him, declined the
proposition at once, and he thought very properly. M. Patsy
concluded in these words :—I know not how to account
fel- this alteration of the Marshal's views at a moment when
every thing was on the point of being concluded. It is
certain, however, that this change upset everything. I de-
clare to the Chamber that this alteration was, on my part,
wade the subject of a conversation I bad with the King,
aho had given full powers—a carte blanche—to the
Marshal, and religiously abstained from interfering in any
shape in the discussion of the conditions of the pro-
gramme." . . .

The Marquis of Dalmatia explainei, stating that his
father's sentiments and views had undergone no change.
He differed from M. Thiers on a point of foreign policy
( Spain), and could not, therefore, recommend that he
should have the Foreign Department.
M. Teste stated, that on Saturday last he, in conse-
quence of an interview with MM. Dufaure and Vivien, the
two friends of M. Thiers, waited on the Marshal, and im-
mediately became convinced that M. Thiers and he
(Marshal Soult) could not enter into the same Cabi-
net. The Inger told him, that if the former would accept
the Finance or Home Department he could act with
him, but not otherwise. " Moreover, (and this was a sine
pa non), M. Guizot and M. Duchatcl must be members
the Administration." These particulars he communi-
e,ted to M. Thiers through MM. Dufaure and Vivien,
a.ld in the course of the evening received a positive refusal
o his part from them, which he (M. Teste) carried to
t;:e Marshal.

M. Thiers next rose, and said that the Marquis of Dal-
matia had been in error when he stated that the question
of Spain was not the principal one on which, on the 21st
of .darch, the rupture of the negotiations took place. " I
and my colleagues," continued M. Tillers, "discussed that
questicn maturely, and at much length. I made to them
concessions, and they in turn agreed with me that it was
necessary that the cold limits within which the
French Cabinet had hitherto confined its friendship
for the Queen should be passed, and, in fine, they
promised me their concurrence in affording the real signs
of friendship which I proposed should be displayed for the
Queen (fur the programme was drawn up by me in their
presence, and I might almost say, under their dictation),
provided that the King approved of them, The discussion
then arose between the Crown and me. The Crown exer-
cised its right, and I exercised mine, but every thing
dassed with that degree of respect which every good citi-
zenljres to the Crown."

After a few words from the Marquis of Dalmatia, the
debate was adjourned over to Tuesday.

CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, TUESDAY, APRIL 23 1
At two o'clock, M. Calmon, one of the Vice-Presidents,
took the Chair, when the debate on the Ministerial crisis
was resumed.
M. Lamartine, the first speaker, said that he augured
well for the construction of a Cabinet from the mode-
deration displayed in the debate of Monday. He
would, however, without departing from a spirit of
conciliation, offer a few observations in answer to
M. Cuizot. He would not inquire into the mo-
ives of the Illustrious Chief of the Right Centre for
seceding from his former friends; he respected them ; hut
:)c (M. Guizot) had s.iid, that when consulted on the
Ministerial cr:sis, he not only spoke, but even stipulatect
1,1 favour of the 22. M. Larnartine declared, in til.2 name
a his friends, that they had girtut him no mission to that
4f,-.ct. They had invariably kept aloof, and were conse-
quently not to blame for the failure of the combinations at-
, tempted during the last six weeks. M. Lamartine con-
demned M. Guizet's division of the Chamber into Con-
servative and Parliamentary Alembers, and disclaimed the
right of any collection of men in the house to assume the
latter appellation to the exclusion of others, and he was
I not afraid to assert that the 221 constituted the real Per-
i fiamentary party, for they had religiously kept within the
units of ;heir -prerogatives, and refrained from encroach.
ang on :horse of the other powers, whilst their ralverse.rics
;vcre formed of a Lumber of hostile fractions, whose union
ha. 4 'urought about the dissolution, and placed the Crown
in its pesent critical predicament. The only Ministry
practicable was a neutral Ministry, based on the material
sod moral interests of the country.
This suggestion of M. Lamartine excited much mirth
in the Assembly.
M. Guizot explairted. It' he had used the appellation
" Conservative and Pai':iementary" in speakitig of the tao
parties into nhicit tee Chamber was divided, he had meant
.:0 offence, and could not account for the susceptibility of
...I. Laaeirtitie's friends.
General Bugeand blamed Al. Lamartine for taking up
the expressions used by M. Guizot. The speech de-
Everod by the latter, ire slid, eras extremely Coeserative,
~;Id expressed ilia wisile of the 221. M. Lamertirie had
declared that there was no mjarity in the Hausa. M.
dugeaud denied it, aed b•lieverr., with M Gerizat, th,t an
Administration would be formed by a fusion of both
i‘entres. He thought, moreover, that the 221 had been
ght in raitiag Al. Passy to the Presidency ; they had
elereby giver, en tetequivecal proof of their self-denial,
;rid made the first atop in the way of conciliation.
M. Oeiillon Beirut stated that tire ides of constructing
,tCealition Cabinet, in which he was to enter with Al'.
e.uizet, had never been seriously enterta.'nE (I. The Pi c.si-
:aeacy had never been made a sine qua 7/074 conclit'oe el
.aeir praue..;e of support, and when he heard of his candi.
latesirip being made a Ultinet question, he wrote a letter,
,n order antt it might be produced in case of need, dis-
claiming all pretension to that high past. He maintained,
an eppositieh to Al. Lamartine's asse:tion, that there existed
in the Chamber an imposing m'jority ; and he took the
engagi met.t in his own name, and in that of the gauche,
to &thee! a Cabinet chosen from the left centre a cor-
dial and etficii.nt supporr. Two years since, he had,
-tiler the eie. Lions o: 13'37, 1-c:con:mended that the Govcru-
moat should be coininitted to men who were not compro-
iresed by atternAs against the liberties of the c untry.
Tfm: iiinisterial crisis cemmenced at that time, and not 40
days ago, as stated by Al. Thicts; it lasted two full years,
but these two years would not i.e lost for the political edu-
cation of the ceuntry. At. Odillon Barrot then inquired
into the claims of Marshal Soult to offer hire`..elf as the dis-
penser of portfolios. " Let us proclaim aloud," said M.
Wilion Barrot, "in the presence of the country : No, there
la not, it. our days, necessary and ir.dispensable men. With
whatever ra.va thf glory a great man may be surrounded, it
ought not to be within hii power to paralyze the action
of our institutions, and condemn them to immo-
Liiitv. Allow me to mention a fact that lately
uccurred in a neighbouring country. I allude to a per-
son whose namc excites in France very little sym-
pathy, as it brings to our minds the most painful
:ecollectionsto a man who united in himself all the glory
sf his country, and wk., is, moreover, by the order of
his ideas, an eminent political man. Well, that illustrious
Individual understood that his glory should bow to Portia-
;nentary influences. Let not this example be lost upon us.
We owe to the country good laws ; we owe it, besides,
good examples, and the first of those examples is self-
denial.gr-a-{ Loud applause at the left, and, indeed, through-
out the hall.). Al. Odillon Barrot, on leaving the tribune,
~vas surrounded by his friends, and the sitting was awhile
91spendcd.
M. Guizot subsequently addressed the assembly, and
vindicated his party against_ the charge of illiberality di-
rected against it by M. Odidon Barrot.
M. eunia Gridaine was to follow M. Guizot, and AI.
Alauguin to sum up the discuss:ion, which it was thought
would be brought to a close in the course of the evening.

THE PRINCE DI CAPUA.—His Royal High.
ness lately sent a messenger to Naples, but the only mem-
ber of the Royal family who saw him was the Dowager
Queen, and he returned unsuccessful in the object of his
mission. The Neapolitan Charge d'Affaires, the Cheva-
lier Regins, has, however, received orders to grant the
Prince a passport if he thinks proper to return to Italy,
but the King, his brother, is firm in his resolution not to
Pant the Prince the title and dignity of one of Royal
blood.
His Excellency Count de Senfft Pilsach, Austrian
~.n
..tor at the Hague, left Mivart's Hotel, yesterday
flaorning, at an c.trly hour, to assume his diplomatic duties.
i. 3
_Excellency M. Dedel, the Netherlands Minister to
uourt, accompanied his brother diplomatist.
EXPERIMENTAL TRlP.—Yesterday morning
experimental trip was made en the Great Western Rail.
ray, on that part of the line from Maidenhead to Reading,
preparatcry to the opening for public travelling, which it is
stated will commence on the Ist May next.