The Sun.
London, England, 1839-08-10 00:00:00

EVEN ING EDITION.

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- r li•Ts Noble Friends opposite, that the Right Rev. Prelate
ilvo uld take this matte, into his grave consideration. He
'himself had experienced much difficulty from the present
state of the law, and if that state were altered he would himself immediately build three chapels in neighbourhoods
with which he was connected, where there were very CX.
• tensive populations, and where those populations suffsied
greatly from not having chapels.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY observed that
two very different things were now brought under con-
Isideration ; one w is that of being at liberty to build chapels
and to open them without endowing them, and the other
was that of gentlemen, or other persons, being at liberty
to open their own houses for the performance of
divine service therein. He did not at the mo.
meet feel himself at liberty to express any
opinion upon subjects that involved so many important con-
siderations. As to a gentleman being at liberty to open
his house for divine service, it would be open to this abuse
--that if he quarrelled with the clergyman of the parish
lie would immediately open a conventicle, and if he were
a man of influence he could draw a great many of the pa-
rishioners away from the parish church to his conventicle,
and which latter would be open just so long as that gentle-
man's difference continued with the clergyman. He only
begged to be excused from giving any opinion at present
on either subject, and more particularly from be-
,in either
to give a favourable opinion to gen.ter
being at liberty to open their houses for
/ divine
1 worship ; but he, and he was sure the
the rest of the Rev. Bencb, would be quite ready to treat
any question of this kind that might be brought forward
and considered for the benefit of the Church, according
to its merits.
Lord E L LE NBO R 0 UG H said that his house was two
miles from the parish church; the road between the two
was almost impassable in the winter time, and of the 70 or
80 persons in his house, he believed that hardly one of them
r went to the parish church in that season of the year.
1 i Lord HATHERTON said the truth was that many of
' . the parish churches were deserted from the incapacity of
r el ,
from Arg)
the
men; and many persons had become Dissenters
at same cause.
cThe Archbishop of CANTERBURY thought that that
cgtyhtfobr employing heat ground fur the Noble Lord applying to the So-
toying additional curates.—( Laughter. )
HIGHWAY RATES' BILL.
' forord wHARNCLIFFE moved the Order of the Day
t7..the House resolving itself into a Committee upon the
,::hway I'''
Bill. Though he had some objection to
_ Bill,. yet as it was only for one year, and as it was a
Ts!lBsill, and therefore could not be altered by their Lord-
stniing,chweoziduladamteaekteo nito. objection to it, and hoped the
--'
Ltd ELLENBOROUGH was glad that the Bill was
Only proposed for one year. He hoped that there would
soon be a Report from the Commission, at the head of is hich
the Noble Duke on the cross bench was (the Duke of
Richmond)
p.p.,. appointed to inquire into Turnpike Trusts
'eratly, and that then the House would be able to agree
to Thee general measure on the subject.
Duke of RICHMOND said that he was much
i
~giiitist some parts of this Bill; but still it was necessary
or the present, and therefore he should nut propose any
anaendinerif. He hoped the Commission upon which he
was would be able to make a Report by next Easter.
.The Bill then passed through a Committee, was reprzted
without amendments, and was ordered to be read a third
time --,
on i uesday next.
• On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, the
amendments of the House of Commons to the Imprison-
merit for Debt Bill were agreed to.
The Poor-law Commission Continuance Act was read
it fitst time, and
The Ho-use adjourned at Half-past Six.

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• HOUSE OF COMMON, AUGUST P.
The SPEAKER tosk the Chair at Thr S
ee o'Clock.
BANK OF IRELAND.
WILLIAM SOMERVILLE presented a petition
Cra Sir
roSiDrogheda, against the monopoly of the Bank of Ire-
.s_nd, and praying to be heard by counsel at the bar of the
tiouse.--drdered to be printed.
Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from Andrew
Alseineot, of the island of Tortola, who, during the war,
bad commanded a privateer, and who complained that cer-
trr
i Treasury, and prize-money due to him had been detained by the
pray;ng to be heard by counsel either at
the bar of the House or before a Committee.
On the motion of Captain PECHELL certain returns
Were ordered.

STONE AND RUGBY RAILWAY.
Captain CH ET W YND presented a petition from
certain shareholders, holding 650 shares in the St.ne and
Rugby Railway, complaining that a clause had been iu-
serted-in the Bill before the Committee, without their
hnowledgei.protesting against any consolidation with the
Birmingham and Manchester Railway Company—praying
that a clause to that effect should not be introduced into the
and praying to be beard by Counsel before the Com-
mittee against such clause.
TOTNES ELECTION.
Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition from Chas. Barry
Baldwin, Esq., complaining of the election of Mr. Blount
for the borough of Totness, and praying that he (Mr.
Baldwin) might be declared duly elected.

ELECTION PETITIONS.
On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL the petitions
complaining of an undue election from the borough of Lud-
.low and Ipswich were postponed from Aug. 22 to the
10th of September.
Lord J. RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for
the third reading of the Poor.law CominissiuLers Continu-
ance Bill.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. CHARLES BULLER wished to take that op-
portuuity of asking the Noble Lord what course he in-
tended to pursue relative to the business of the House
that evening. He wished to know at what time the Noble
Lord intended to bring on the Birmingham Police Bill.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that it was his inten-
tion to put off the consideration of the amendments of
the House of Lords to the Irish Municipal Corpora-
tions Bill till Monday, in consequence of the amend
ments not having been circulated among Members.
It was his intention to proceed that night with the Bir ._
n'ingham Police Bill, the Manchester Police Bill, and
the Holton Police Bill; he should also proceed with the
County and Districts Constables Bill, and it was his inten.
tion to Put off
ay the third reading of the Poor-rates Collection
Bill till d.
Mr. T. DUNCOM BE wished to know whether it was
intendedrd to have a Committee of Supply that evening ?
• Lo J. RUSSELL—Yes.
• Mr. T. DUNCONIBE. -At what hc:ur?
Sl. Lord J. RUSSELL said it was impossible for him to
telis--( Laughter. )
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE was anxious to know whether all
the Bills to which the Noble Lord had referred, were to
have precedence?
Lord J. RUSSELL—Certainly.
, , Mr. C. LUSHINGTON wished to know, whether it
Was, the intention of the Noble Lord to proceed with the
Church Discipline Bill in the present Session ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that it was his intention
to proceed with the Bill on Monday or Tuesday- morning.
Captain PEC HELL wished to know whether the
Noble Lord intended to proceed with the Tithe Composi-
tion Bill in the present Session ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was not quite sure whether
he should or no.—( Laughter.
POOR-LAW CONTINUANCE BILL.
- On the Order of the day for the third reading of this
Bill being proposed,
Mr. FRE SH Fl ELD said he did not rise to oppose the
Bill„ for though he thought Commissioners necessary at
the introduction of the law, he was of opinion that the
sooner they were done away with—the soon te urians
were left to their own discretion, the betterer forh the Bial land
the_ more easily it would be introduced into the manufacturing
districts. The guardians might receive the suggestions
and advice of the Commissioners, but they ought not to
be controlled, as they, having a great stake in the Unions
titheenreerfacblrley, would not give indiscriminate relief. He would
move a proviso to the first clause :—" Provided
aelrvii,ty;,.Strhiyat it shall not be lawful fur the said Commission
rules or regulations not already made, to Pro-
-hibit or limit the administration of relief to able.budied la-
bourers or their families out of the woikouse of any parish
or union."
Lord J. RUSSELL said the clause would so impair
the power of the Commissioners, and he thought it so un.
Wise that be must oppose it.
Mr. GRIMSDII'CH would strongly recommend his
Hon. Friend to test the feeling of the House by a division.
via vision.
On the question that the Bill do pass,
Sir C. DOUGLAS said he never was an enemy to
the law of the land, nor out of that House would he join
any one who was so. He, however, opposed the Bill in
the House, on the ground that it was brought in so very
late in the Session. It ought to have been brought
in much earlier. He did not think it was at all
necessary for any other purpose than the convenience of
the Government.
The Bill was then passed.
- ,MUNICIPAL- CORPORATIONS (IRELAND)
BILL.
the Day
Lord JOHN RUSE HN RUor SSELL then moved that the Order of
be f considering the Lords' amendments to
the Irish Municipal BB for the purpose oftp it.
In se doing he had only to say th pwoisthonriensgect
,to,that part of the question which related at
to the privileges
of the House, he did not think after the view
that had
been taken of them, not only by the Speaker, but by
many Members conversant
.with their privileges, that it
would be possible for them to make any concession
on the question of privilege He saw likewise very
considerable disadvantage in raising a discussion on the
question of privilege with the other House of Parliament,
Unless it was absolutely necessary so to do.--( Hear,
to the general question of
b With regard
hey)merits of the Bill; there were undoubtedly
number of amendments introduced by the House of Lords, ansenditents which he certainly had net bad time fully to consider, and which it was very inconvenient to discuss,
-because, as the late Speaker had observed, they ought to
Ho (Lord John) saw
be adopted or rejected at once.
very great difficulty in coming to any agreement upon the
l'Alitilin the course of the present Siteswsiaogn
tohnethaensxeiogursouvindiesh.
the same time, he must say,
of the Government, if possible, to pass some legislative
measure upon the su'ect, and fromwhat he had heard of the
disposition of those who were most anxious for the
extension
an of Municipal Corporations to Ireland,
d considering likewise the points of differ.
i''‘'!l between the two Houses, it did appear
''° him that there might be a Bill framed in such a man-
ner as to agree with what appeared to be the decision. of
the House of Lords with respect to the general provisions
oft the measure.
thereforethought move that it be posponed till Monday next.
.Alr. SHAW would make no objection to the proposi.
lion that the question should stand over till Monday.. He
thought it vt•
that thtir
....s -better, if . they " were satisfied
)3in,
wide,_ lie
had been -violated,. to lay the
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-.:return it to the
the amendments - —ug- that they- could -not -agree. to
frifogegs t",'T•bs- neceute' theit. privileges.. had -been: O.
mends", se ( Mr- .bhaw.),4344,ler"stoodilie -Islobl Lord