The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-23 00:00:00

not done so now. Now, if the Noble Marquis had extended.
to him any favour or kindness, such conduct might have
been characterized as ungrateful, although it would not be
a good.ground for his (Lord Brougham's). neglecting his
public duty. It was the slightest charge that could well be i
brought against him ; that he (Lord Brougham) attacked i
the Noble Marquis last night, and did not attack
him last year, was as ridiculous a charge as ever he heard.
He did not think it necessary to go into the merits of the
debate on this occasion, having entered so largely into it
last night. The Noble Marquis was quite mistaken if he
thought that his argument was that no one was to be par-
doned unless all were. What he said was, that if a
Monarch were to travel round the country now, and let
loose the prisoners in the different gaols, as in the times of
the Plantagenets, or as when there used to be an accession
to the Throne, that would be productive of one of the most
execrable abuses that could be thought of. When King
George the Fourth went to Edinburgh and to Dublin
there was not a Viceroy there certainly, but there was a
King; and he (the Noble Lord) believed that he was the
first King who. visited Ireland since the time of King
John, unless indeed King William visited it as a General ;
and he believed King George the Fourth was the first Sove.
reign who had visited Edinburgh since the time of Charles
the First, or at all events since the Union ; but did ever
mortal dream that because King George IV. visited Dub.
lin, he etas to let loose the prisoners of Dublin, and
not those in Cork ? or that because he visited Edin-
burgh, be was to let loose the prisoners in Edinburgh
and not' those in Aberdeen, because he had only visited
Edinburgh ? But though that was not thought of in the
instance of King.. George I V., the Viceroy of her
Majesty, because he visited Limerick, was to let out the
prisoners of the Castle gaol, and they were to be the only
persotis who were to be liberated. The Noble Marquis
stated that it was painful to him to make the observations
he had made, but he would assure the Noble Marquis that it
was more painful to him ( Lord Brougham) to have to. -say
what he had been obliged to say.
The Marquis of WE STME ATH said as he bad been
personally referred to, he hoped that he might be a'.lowed
to make an observation ; without the slightest consult
with the Noble and Learned Lord opposite, he had just
entertained the same opinions that had been expressed so
eloquently and so conclusively by the Noble Lord. He
thought it was perfectly natural thatthe No'ole and Learned
Lord, should have done him the honour, fir.ding that so much
importance was very properly attached, to what he (the
Noble and Learned Lord) had said in reference to his (the
Noble Marquis's) motion in 1837, of personally conferring
with him upon the subject, when he had the pleasure of'
calling the Noble and Learned Lord's attention to certain
facts. He did not mean to revive this debate,
but considering that the world was now ringing with
the bad effects of these enlargements, could any
I thing else be supposed than that the Noble and Learned
Lord should bring his powerful mind to bear on the state
of Ireland, which was almost in a con:lition of anarchy,
and that he should take the part in respect to it that lie
now dit though in the first instance he hardly 'seemed to
think that was necessary ?

Lord RODEN said that he had felt it to be his duty to
put the Noble Marquis's name opposite on the list of the
Committee, and he dia still hope that the Noble Marquis
would allow it to remain.
The Marquis of NORMANDY said—No; be cotild not.
- Lord RODEN then moved that the Duke of Rich-
mond's name be'added to the Committee.
A message from the House of Commons brought up the
Duke of `Vellingtor►'a Estate Bill.
Upon the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, an ad-
dress to her Majesty was agreed to, that her Majesty
would be graciously pleased to order certain Irish returns,
principally relating to constabulary officers, to be laid on
the table.

The Marquis of WESTMEATH wished'to know from
the Noble Marquis opposite, whether the aggregate re-
turns offered as rewards for the apprehension of criminals
n Ireland, laid on the table, included all the rewards that
3ad been offered from Dublin.

The Marquis of NORMANBY apprehended that any
aggregate return would include all returns, but if the re-
turn only included the rewards offered in the Dublin Ga-
zette, it was to be understood there had been other rewards
offered besides tbesc.