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tion, Divide, divide." He would not detain the House
long—he merely rose for the purpose of calling the atten-
tioe of the House to certain facts. At a dinner at Gates-
head Lord Durham had stated that the arrangement of
the Reform Bill had been entrusted to a Committee of
Lord Grey's Cabinet, consisting of himself, the Noble
Lord the Member for Stroud, Lord Duncannon, and the
Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Pembroke, he did
not state what tock place in that Committee, but
an allusion was made to it at a dinner at
Edinburgh, shortly afterwards. An article appeared
on the subject in the Edinburgh Review in 1834,
the author of which it would be more easy to con-
jecture than it would a vote if the Ballot-box were
introduced. But the Noble Lord at Stroud had ex-
plained the circumstances more fully, and had stated, that
in the original draught of the Reform Bill the Ballot was
proposed. Now for the sake of morality he would ask the
Noble Lord not to vote against that question, for all the i
arguments that could be brought against t now were of
equal force then. With regard to the finality of the Re-
form Bill Lords Grey and Althorp had both declared that
the measure was materially affected by the introduction of
the Chandos clause, and Lord Wharneliffe had admitted
that the abuse of power on the part of the landlords was
likely to lead to the Ballot. All admitted intimidation,
but no one proposed any remedy. And to make use of an
expression of his constituents, he would say, What are you
doing, Lord John, to provide a remedy for intimidation ?
Nothing. And what are you doing, Sir Robert?—Helping
him.—( A laugh.) Something must be devised to remedy
the great immorality which was,the consequence of this in-
timidation, and believing that the Ballot afforded that
remedy, he should support the motion.—( Cheers.)
Sir JAMES GRA HAM would not have risen but for
some of the observations of the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber who had just sat down. He would state what he con-
sidered a sufficient answer to the Hon. and Learned Gen-
tleman. He would not deny that he was a Member of the
Committee charged with the drawing up the Reform Bill.
These disclosures of what took place did not seem to con-
tribute to that implicit confidence which ought to exist
among colleagues. The Noble Lord had not been explicit
in his expression of his views on the qaestion on
the hustings, but he (Sir James Graham) had
distinctly stated that he could not support the Ballot.
The Noble Lord having obtained permission of his late
Majesty to make these disclosures was at liberty to do so,
but he having obtained no such permission, could admit
nothing, explain nothing, or deny nothing, but he should
have no objection to the Noble Lord carrying his dis-
closures further, and they should recollect that in that Ca-
binet they had the keeper of his Majesty's conscience,
who had said that he had discovered an argument which
amounted to a mathematical demonstration against tht
Ballot. Ho admitted that with regard to events finality
did not exist, but it did exist with regard to men, and he
would contend that the pledge of finality of the Reform
Act was not binding on the members of Lord Grey's Cabinet
and on them alone. There was no question as to the
fact of Lord Althorp's pledge as to the finality of the Re.
form Act. In 1833, Lord Althorp, in answer to the Hon.
Member for the City of London, said he appealed to
every Member of the former Parliament to say whether
the promoters of that measure had not always stated that,
as regarded the representation of the people, this was to
be considered as a final measures? He (Sir J. Graham)
had invariably refused to support Vote by Ballet. Lord
Althorp had stated to him that he did not con-
sider himself at liberty to vote in favour of the Bal-
lot in consequence of the pledges he had given.
He was delighted to hear the Honourable Member for
Edinburgh again, and he was sure he was expressing the
sense of the House in s that they were delighted to
hr.ve the benefit of his talents—(Cheers)—but he could
not but be struck with certain parts of his speech. With
regard to open questions, he had understood that if any-
thing could throw a doubt on the sincerity of Mr. Pitt, it
was his conduct in regard to those questions to which he
had alluded. There was a fourth course to be
pursued by Members differing from th sir colleagues
in the Government to which the Honourable Gentleman
had not alluded, and that was to resign.—( Cheers. )
It was impossible after the Noble Lord's recorded opinion
on this question, that he could treat it as a matter of in-
difference. He thought it would be safer to have a united
Government in support of the Ballot, than a hollow
specious opposition which was no reality.—( Loud cheers.)
What was the consequence of that proceeding ? that those
members of Government who supported the popular side,
had a most unfair advantage over those who took
the unpopular side, and would before long supplant
them. Ha rejoiced in the gallantry with which
the Noble Lord had fought this fight, but he was certain
that his defeat was at hand. He would oppose the mo-
tion of the Hon. Member for London, and by that division
he would stand or fall.
Lord HO WICK rose amid loud cries of " question,"
and said, that there were some of the remarks of the

lion. Baronet, from which he dissented so widely, that he
could not permit the debate to close without reccrding his
reasons for that dissent. He would not silently
allow it to be said that any Member of Parliament
had any right to bind himself by any pledges
as to what he would do under circumstances which it was
impossible he could forsee.—(Cheers.) What he thought
was really binding on those who proposed the Reform Bill,
was that they should have no intention at that time of
carrying any further measure. He would rest his resist-
ance to any inroads on the Reform Bill on the ground
which had been so eloquenily urged by his Hon. and
Learned friend the Member for Edinburgh.: Believing
that the Reform Bill had conferred great and
inestimable benefits upon the country, he for one was de-
cidedly opposed to a proposition such as that which had
been just submitted to the House, and which appeared to
him to be carrying the principal of the Reform Bill much
too far.--( Hear, hear.) One word with respect to open
questions, of which the Right Honourable Baronet had
said so much. He agreed with him in the general
expediency of not making important questions, but the
Right Honourable Baronet could not forget that when he
::at upon the other side of the House, the Catholic ques.
tion, a much more important one, and involving much more
important principles, was made an open question.—( Hear,
hear.) He believed that by having the present an open
question, they were taking the best course to prevent its
being ultimately carried; and he would add, that if the
Administration with which he was connected had made
the Ballot a Government question, he would at once
cease to be a member of that Administration.—(Cheers.)
Sir ROBERT FEEL had so frequently expressed his
opinion on the present qnestion, that he would not trespass
at any length upon the time of the House. He would take
that opportunity of congratulating the House upon the re-
;urn of one of its most distinguished Members, to whose
speech he had listened with the greatest attention and
pleasure.—( Hear, hear.) Nothing he believed could
be productive of more distrust and jealousy than the
declaration of the Noble Lord ( Howiek) that leaving
the Ballot an open question was the most likely means
to retard its progress. How would that operate with the
friends of the measure in the present Government ? Were

they not impressed sz itb the belief that the leaving the
Ballot an open question was the most likely way to promote
its ultimate success. The Right Hon. Baronet then pro-
ceeded to quote the opinion of Lord John Russell in hi,
address to the electors of Stroud, as to the expediency of
making the Ballot an open question. He objected to
the policy of making questions of vital importance open
questions by the Government, because it must parallze
their power as a legislative body. Why, the fact was,
that if the system of open questions was fully recogniz
there was nothing to prevent himself and his friends from
passing over to the other side of the House, and assuming
the reins of Government, with the understanding that they
should not bring forward any question upon which they
were not unanimous.—( Hear, hear.) With respect to the
question now before the House, he could merely repeat his
adherence to the opinions he had formerly stated.
Mr. G RGTE replied ; but the buzz of conversation in
the House was such, that little which the Hon. Member
said could be distinctly heard. He did not believe the
Chartists would ba rendered more unsatisfied with the
present state of the franchise by the Ballot being
granted. His gratitude for this measure having been
made an open question was greatly diminished by
the fact that the larger half of the Cabinet exulted in
having thus thrown an impediment in the progress of the
question.— (Cheers—Oh, oh, and great uproar.)
Amidst inexpressible uproar, Lord HO WICK ex-
plained that he spoke his own sentiments only.—(Laugh-
t:r, and, if possible, increased uproar.)
The House then divided, when there appeared
For the motion 216
Against it 333

Majority against the motion —ll7
SMALL TENEMENTS BILL

Mr. SANFORD moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
exempt the occupiers of small tenements from the pay.
:bent of the rates.

Lord DUNGANNON would take advantage of every
form of the House to prevent the Bill being brought for-
ward at such a late hour.
After a few observations from Mr. ESTCOURT and
Colonel SI BT H 0 RP,
Lord DUNGANNON moved, that the House do ad-
journ, but the amendment not being seconded, the original
motion was put and carried without a division.
Mr. PRYME moved for leave to bring in a Bill to ex-
empt poor persons from the payment of teas.
Lord D UNG ANNON would pursue the same course
as he had done with regard to the previous Bill.
After a short conversation leave was given to bring in
the Bill.
On the motion of Mr. CHRISTOPHER, the following
gentlemen were appointed as a Select Committee on the
Sewers Bill:—Mr. Christopher, Lord Granville Somer-
set, Mr. Law Hodges, Mr. William Miles, Lord Worsley,
Mr. Bethell, Mr. Addams Williams, Mr. Wilson Patten,
Mr. Edward Rice, Mr. Bramston, Mr. Sanford, Mr.
Kemble, Mr. Freshfield.
Mr. FOX MA UL E moved that the House do resolve
itself into Committee on the Metropolitan Police and the
Metropolitan Police Courts Bill.
Mr. LAW opposed the motion.
After a short conversation, in which Mr. F. Maule,
Mr. Law, and Col. Sibthorpe took part,
Mr. BROTH E fi.TON moved that the House do ad-
journ, which was agreed to, and the House adjourned at
a Quarter past Two o'Clock.

We understand that Mr. Calder has been ap-
pointed to the clerkship in the Treasury, vacant by the
resignation of the Hon. Charles Gore.

NOVEL POLICE REGULATION.—For some

time past the Commissioners of the Metropolitan police
have felt and expressed much displeasure at the slovenly
and somewhat outre appearance of their men, compared
with those of their brother guardians of the peace in the
pay of the City authorities, and within the last week have
caused a circular tobe forwarded to the various Superinten-
dents, to the effect that one man from each division shall
attend every morning at head-quarters, Scotland-yard,
when he whose neatness altogether attracts the greatest
notice shall be allowed an additional day's pay, and the
second favourite (two only being on each occasion selected
from the many) twenty-four hours' leave of absence from
duty,

SURREY ZOOLOGICAL GARDENS.

Yesterday the " Superb Waterloo Fete," as announced
in the hand- bills, took placo at these gardens. A great
concourse of well dressed people were present, attracted
chiefly by the flower show of the Royal South London
Horticultural Society, the promised magnificent daylight
view of Mount flecla, and the " Promenades Musicales,"
performed by a band of distinguished instrumental per-
formers. Some of the flowers exhibited were in great
perfection, and the richness of colour and the great
variety of the geraniums exbibited by the Society, met with
general approbation. We have rarely seen such a beautiful
collection of these favourite flowers. The band went through
their performances with good effect, and the menagerie, as
usual, was generally praised. No man indeed seems to know
better than Mr. Cross, how to keep the animals in a
healthy condition, and to exhibit them in an attractive
view to the spectators. We cannot, however extend the
same praise to the assistants and keepers. Though vast
crowds collected at five o'clock to see the animals feed,
not the least hint was thrown out till after repeated
inquiries, that in gala days that part of the exhibition took
place in the morning, and consequently many went away
greatly disappointed.

OPENING OF THE EASTERN

COUNTIES RAILWAY.

The first portion cf this line, from London to Romford,
was yesterday opened to the Directors and a large party of
their friends, preparatory to its opening to the puLlic on
Thursday next. The present temporary terminus of the
Railway is at Devonshire-street, Mile-end-road, where the
line crosses the northern extremity of Old Bethnal-green;
but we understand that it will eventually be carried, upon
a viaduct supported by arches, to Church-street, near
Shoreditch Church, two miles nearer London. The sta-
tion which has been erected at Old BAhnal.green was
gaily decorated with a variety of flags and banners, and
from an early hour an immense concourse of persons were
assembled to witness the departure of the first train. At
ten o'clock the Right Hon. the Lord' Mayor visited the
station, where he was received by the Ch4irman (Henry
Bosanquet, Esq.) and several of the Directors of the
Company. In consequence of his Lordship's having made
a previous engagement, to attend the consecration of a
church, he could merely take a cursory view of the line as
far as Stratford, with the whole of which he expressed
himself highly gratified. His Lordship, on leaving the
station, made his acknowledgments fur the courtesy and
attention with which he had been received, and we under-
stand 11._t also gave the Company great credit for the ex-
cellent police arrangements along the line.
The Eastern Counties Railway has provided three
classes of carriages—the first class being similar to those
used upon the London and Croydon, the Grand Junc-
tion, and some other lines. They will accommodate six
persons each, and are divided into compartments, with
comfortable lining, cushions, &c. The second class car-
riages are without cushions and open at the sides, and a
third class has been provided without any covering at the
top or aides, and which we doubt not will, during the fine
weather, obtain a fair share of passengers. The carriages
are all painted a bright blue, with the arms of the Com-
pany emblazoned cn the sides, and are on the whole ex•
tremely comfortable and substantial. The rails are five
feet one inch apart, being an increase of five inches upon
the guage of the London and Birmingham and the other
lines in connection with it; they are laid upon transverse
I blocks of wood, and the motion when going at full speed
is extremely smooth and steady. The gradients, as might
be expected in a flat and level country such as that which
the Eastern Counties line traverses are, next to the Greet
Western, the most favourable of any of the great lines out
if London, and we have no doubt that the increased width
of guage and the power of their engines (which have
been manufactured by Braithwaite and Co.) will enable
them to compete in speed with any.
At half•past one o'clock, the two trains which bad been
provided for the accommodation of the Directors and their
guests, left the station at Devonshire-street, amidst the
discharge of artillery and the cheering of the assembled
multitudes. There was an excellent baud of music in
each of the trains, and the party proceeded at a moderate
speed along the line, which is carried upon an rmbank-
ment, varying from ten to four feet in elevation, to the first
station at Stratford. Here they were joined by the Per-
sian Ambassador and his suite, who had been invited to
witness the opening of the line, but had arrived a few
minutes after the trains had started The station at Strat•
ford, which is almost completed, having been inspected, as
well as its densely crowded state would admit, the Com-
pany proceeded to Ilford, the second station, thence on a
line parallel with the high road to Rornford, where the
Railway at present terminates upon an embankment about
thirty feet above the level of the surrounding country.
A large tent, capable of affording ample accommoda-
tion to all, was pitched in an adjoining field, and here the
company, to the number of about 400, sat down to an
elegant dejeune, provided by Bleaden of the London Ta-
vern. It is unnecessary to say more of the entertainment
than that it was got up in Bleaden's usual style of excel-
lence. Among the company were the Chairman, Henry
Bosanquet, Esq. ; the Deputy Chairman, Theodore W.
Rathbone, Esq. ; Branston, Esq., M.P. ; Sir C. S.
Hunter • Earl of Dundonald ; J. J. Round, Esq., M. P.
for Southt Essex ; Round, Esq., M. P. for Malden ; Sir
G. H. Smith, M. P. ; Mr. Stewart, M. P. ; the Persian
Ambassador; Mr. Sheriff Wood; Quentin Dick, Esq.,
M. P. ; Sir W. Alexander; the Chairmen and Directors
of the London and Croydon, the London and Brighton,
London and Greenwich, and other Railway Companies.'
The usual loyal and patriotic toasts were given by the
Chairman, and briefly responded to. 4. Prosperity-to the
Eastern Counties Railway," and the 'healths of Chair=
man and Directors, and of Mr. Braithwaite the' engineer,
being received with loud and general cheering.
The trains reached London about six o'clock, without
any accident or impediment to mar the pleasurable feel-
ings which the excursion had inspired. We may add
that so far as our observation went, the works of the line,
including the bridges over the Regent's canal, the River
Lea, &c., have been executed in an extremely solid and
substantial manner, and reflect much credit upon the ta-
lented engineer Mr. Braithwaite.

ATTORNEY-GENERAL v. HAWES

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

Sir,—We shall be obliged by your stating, in explana-
tion of your report of this trial in this Evening's Sun,
that these proceedings were commenced by the Board of
Excise, for alleged arrears of duty upon yellow soap,
amounting to 576/. 12s. 81., and upon mottled soap, to
3971. 19s. 61. That after the examination of the Com-
missioner's witnesses, the claim for the larger sum was attati-
loned, ar.d a verdict for the smaller amount only taken by
the Crown, subject to a special case, as to the right of the
Excise to charge duty in the manner claimed by them.
We are, Sir, your most obedient servants,
LAKE AND CURTIS,
Defendant's Solicitors,
11, Bisinghall.street, June 18, 1839.

REPRESENTATION OF MIDLOTIIIAN.—A re-
quisition has been forwarded to Mr. Ramsay of Wanton,
ealling on him to come forward a 3 a candidate for the re-
presentaticn of the county, in the event cf a dissolution, in
,pposition to the present member, Mr. Gibson Craig.
Mr. Ramsay has intimated his intention of complying with
the request.
CIIUDLEIGII.—A curious discovery of a range
of caverns was made last week in Chudleigh Rock, in con-
sequence of a terrier dqg getting into a fissure in pursuit
of a rabbit. The dog was heard at various times to bark

for more than a week, and as it was alnmst impos;ible to
extricate him, it was attempted to destroy him by burning
brimstone. On the Isth day after the dog's ento.v.bmenr,
his moans were plainly heard by many persons, when a
further endeavour was made, in vain, to extricate him,
A lad on the following day had the courage with a
rope affixed to him, and two lanterns, to enter the chasms,
and after two hours, working a passage of 20 feet, ha des-
cended into a dry chamber about 30 feet square and 63 feet
below the opening, where he found the dog dead, but still
warm. From an aperture in this cavern gusbed a stream
of air leading into another cavern, which is supposed to be
still deeper, as the boy had not rope enough to descend.
This range of caverns is beneath those where Professor
Buckland many years since discovered some extraordinary
antediluvian remains.—Exeter Gazette.
Monday evening a person of the name of Wadey,
a relation of Mrs. Quintin, of Sussex-place, Bridge road,
Hammersmith, called on that lady, who perceiving some-
thing extraordinary in his behaviour, peisuaded him to
remain there the night, during which period he was strictly
watched. Yesterday morning, about seven o'clock, he was
missing, and on search being made he was discovered in an
outhouse in the garden with his throat dreadfully cut.
‘ledical assistance was immediately afforded, but the wound
is of that nature as to afford very slight grounds for his
recovery. Difficulties of a pecuniary nature are assigned
as the cause of the act.

THE INDIAN MAILS.--The mail which wi,s
to have been dispatched from Bombay, by the Hugh Lind-
,zay, on the 16th of April, had not arrived at Suez on the
25th of May, and the Malta packet has come in without it..
The letters which were transmitted to Mr. Waghorn's
care up to the 25th of April, from England, were sent on
by him in a sailing vessel, from Suez, on the 18th of May.
The Government despatches and mail up to the same date
remained in state quo at Suez, after the departure of Mr.
Waghorn's mail.

Lord` William Frederick, second son of the
Marquis of Downshire, is named as the candidate to be
brought forward in the Conservative interest in opposition
to Captain Winninaton, at the next election for West
Worcestershire.— Worcester Herald.
A HORSE IN TRAINING.—A horse in train-
ing, or quite up to the mark for hunting, is in a state bor-
dering upon high fever; a state not of nature, but one
making continual demands upon the art which produced
it. Constitutions must be studied, all symptoms carefully
watched, nacaieine admiliistered, and changes of diet made
according To circumstances, to keep the machine capable
of performing the extraordinary services required of
it. Not one horse in a thousand con go through a season
without the use of any alterative or other drugs ; and
those who know the value of the "stitch in time which
saves nine," will not despise what may savour, to the un-
initiated, of quackery.—Delme Radcliffe's Noble Science.
THE REV. DR. CHALMERS.—We have sin-
cere pleasure in announcing that this truly eminent Divine
is about to pay a visit to this City. The interesting and
important object which brings him among us at this time is
to promote the great cause of Church Extension, by en-
deavouring to procure subscriptions and donations in behalf
of the General Assembly's Supplementary Fund.—
Aberdeen Constitutional (Tory Paper).
MURDEROUS ASSAULT.—At Hatton-garden
police-office, on Monday, Catherine Fitzgerald was re-ex-
amined, charged by Mary Joyce, of Water's-place, Isling-
ton, with having committed a murderous assault upon her.
The prisoner, it appeared, had a quarrel with the prosecu-
trix, when she seized upon a chopper and inflicted a violent
blow upon her temple, which wounded her so that her
life was despaired of. The prisoner had undergone seve-
ral examinations, and was again remanded.