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London, England, 1839-06-05 00:00:00

a working majority in that House which would carry
out useful measures. He for one could see little dif-
ference between those who occupied the benches on
which he sat and those on the other side of the Howe,
and he trusted that an experiment would be made by
some country gentlemen to address her Majesty, pray-
ing her to appoint such Ministers as had the confidence
of that House.—(Great cheering.) In his judgment
such a Ministry might be formed, and such a majority
might be obtained, for the two parties had nothing to
do but to weed the dead timber in their ranks, and then

a strong Government might be formed capable of carry-
ng out measures of useful legislation.—(Great cheer-
ing.) He did not say this for the purpose of having it
unerstood that his attachment to the cause of Reform
was at all impaired, but his firm conviction was that it
would be far better to let Reform take its own course,
till some intelligible measure could be brought forward
with a certainty of being carried, than to allow the time
of that House to be frittered away in useless discussions,
which only injured the cause they were intended to
support.
Colonel DAVIES opposed the motion.
Mr. HUME concurred with the Right Hon. Baro-
net opposite that there was no mistaking the present
times. The Right Hon. Baronet had spoken out
manfully—he had stated that if anything was to be done
with respect ito the extension of Reform, it was not
to be expected from him.—(Cheers.) He (Mr. H.)
was in hopes that they would have heard from the No-
ble Lord an expression not of his own opinion alone, but
also that of his Colleagues. He was in hopes that he
would have stated whether they meant to do anything,
not in perspective, but immediately. He had been dis-
appointed, but any rate this was to be known from the
speech of the Noble Lord as to the finality of the
Reform Bill. With respect to what the Hon. Member
near him had adverted to, he had entertained a better
opinion of both parties:than to:suppose that the coali-
tion he had adverted to would take place.—(Hear.)
He placed that altogether out of the question, and he
would say, if his statements were correct, that the
majority of the present electors were against Reform,
that was one of the strongest inducements any Go-
vernment could have to bring forward the means of
extending the suffrage. It was the strongest reason
why the Government that wished to govern according to
the wishes of the country should extend the suffrage.
At the present moment there was not in this country
one in seven'that had a vote in the representation of the
country. Such being the case, was it to be wondered at
that the people should be anxious to have a greater
share in the suffrage. The Noble Lord had forgotten
the pledge he had lately given. He had declared they
had lost the confidence of the House of Commons,
and afterwards he had declared that he had again
assumed the Government, for the purpose of protecting
the Queen against a party who wished to destroy not
only her public but her private comforts. Did the Noble
Lord expect that by the course he was now pursuing
he would obtain the confidence of the country. He
surely must have forgotten that in all the addresses
which had been presented to the- Queen from different
parts of the country, she was entreated to call to
her councils such men as had the best interests of the
country at heart.—(Hear, hear.) Did the course pur-
sued by the Noble Lord show that such were his
wishes on those of his colleagues ? The declaration of
the Noble Lord would create the greatest disappoint-
ment in the country, and those who were within the
walls of that House could do but little if they had not
the people to support them.—(Hear, hear.) The time
had come when there ought to be a clear understanding
what it was the Reformers wanted, and what it was the
people required.—(Hear, hear.) He had no hesitation
in stating that Ministers instead of stifling Reform ought
to give it free discussion in and out of that House.—
( Hear, hear.) Ministers ought not to interfere to pre-
vent the discussion of the question of the Ballot,
and no man ought to be prevented from giving a vote
according to his own conscience.—(Hear, hear.) He
lamented the situation in which the House was placed,
but he thought it better than allowing the country to
be deluded as it had been. The result of that night's
vote would show who were inclined to go forward, and
who were determined to stand still.
Mr. WARD concurred with those who had stated
that the present question would put an end to the wil-
derness of delusion.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble
Lord in a former speech that he had made on this sub-
ject, had stated that kis opinions had been misrepre-
sented by some. Now, for his own part, he (Mr.
Ward) had always represented them as he had under-
stood them. He admitted the manliness and honesty
of the Noble Lord ; he admitted his right of making
such a declaration ; but what he regretted was that it
would be impossible to hold together a party two-thirds
of which went far beyond the line traced out by the
Noble Lord. That night decided the fate of the strug•
gle between the twe factions.—(Cheers.) The Radicals
must now of necessity form a third and a distinct party
in that House.—(Loud cheers.) They would support
good measures without reference to the party from
whom they came, and they must be prepared
to go to the country upon their principles,
by which they must stand or fall.—(Hear, hear,
hear.) He considered the motion of his Hon. Friend
drew the line between the two factions ; the division
would show how many of the Members of that House
were in favour of progressive reform. He professed his
anxiety to advance, to extend the franchise, and to do
all in his power to make the House 'more- responsible
to the country at all times and seasons, without any
reference to the will or convenience of the Minister.
lie now knew no difference between the two parties,
only that the one sat on the right and the other on the
left of the table. Both were determined that the Re-
form Bill was to be final, therefore he saw no reason why
they should not join, because that heretofore they had
differed. They had seen differences made up. Those
whom he was proud to follow in 1833, were now to be
seen in close amalgation with the Gentlemen opposite.
Why should that amalgamation not be carried further ?
He regretted the new line of demarcation which that
night's debate must produce, but he felt bound not to
flinch from the duty he owed the country.
Mr. WAKLEY rose for the purpose of asking the
Noble Lord how it was that he and his colleagues were
again in office.—(Cheers and laughter.) He should
like to have that question answered, but he would not
get it satisfactorily done unless he were to apply to two
ladies who were not far from that House.—( Laughter.)
That was a trifling with the great interests of the
greatest nation in the world, which was altogether un-
precedented in the history of the country.—(Cheers.)
He was prompted to put the question not only in conse-
quence of the speech of the Noble Lord, but in conse-
quence of the speech of his Noble colleague in another
place on Friday night—that was a good Tory speech,
and had he read it from Lord Eldon in 1817 he would
not have looked twice to see whether he was correct in
his estimation of its parent.—(Cheers.) Now if the
Noble Lord apprehended such dangers as be predicted
in that speech, from the principles of Reform, how was
it that he was again at the helm ? Was it possible
that the present Administration could continue in office ?
—(Cheers.) They knew they could not, holding their
finality doctrines. How then had theylagain taken office ?
He was not one of those who for a moment desired
that the Noble Lord should attempt to obtain support
by any promises which were not intended to be fulfilled
—he gave him credit for his manliness, but he certainly
had hoped after the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet,
the Noble Lord would have whispered to one of his
colleagues to get up and say, " No, no, he's pinning
me too close—that will never do." But no, the Noble
Lord was silent. The Right Hon. Baronet had got
him into a net—be whisked him this way and that way
in the water, until he was nearly drowned-4A laugh)
until he was almost ready for an inquest to be held
upon him.—(lmmense laughter.) They bad nothing to
expect—he was not disappointed. But again he asked
why it was that Ministers were again in office ? He was
one of those who approved of their conduct with refer-
ence to what had taken place lately at the Palace.—
(Cheers.) He regretted that occurrences of such a
momentous character, connected with the great interests
of the Crown, had been allowed to pass off in that House
in empty speeches. He deeply regretted that they had
not been recorded on the Journals. It was a maxim of
the Tories that the Crown could do no wrong—then the
Right Hon. Bart. must not deny that he was in the
wrong. 'Cheers and laughter.) He thought he was
fair in putting that interpretation upon the Right Hon.
Baronet's conduct, because he had frequently heard the
maxim come from his own mouth. He admired
the conduct of Ministers upon that occasion ; but if
they thought the Right Hon. Baronet wrong why not
have come to that House, and if possible have got an
address to the Crown ? As a lover of the monarchical
institutions of the country, desirous of seeing them
maintained and loved by the people, he rejoiced at
what had been her Majesty's conduct on the late occa-
sion ; he also rejoiced at the conduct of the Right
Hon. Baronet, because it showed what Toryism was
in the present day.—(Cries of "Oh ! oh !") It had
lost none of its desire for power, none of its love of
place. He knew that the Right. Hon. Baronet's soli-
loquy to himself was something like this,—" These
foolish Whigs: have thrown the ball into my hands—l
will use it for some purpose. If they have not the
courage to change their policy—if they have not the
sagacity to come forward according to their
professions as a Liberal Ministry, let me once get into
power, even under their own Reform Bill, and I
only hope my head may not ache until they get me
out again."—(Loud laughter.) Her Majesty had
acted nobly,—she gave full power to the Right Hon.
Baronet for the formation of a Ministry, but
when he demanded the sacrifice of her friends—
(Cries of " Question, question")—if they would only
be patient, they would hear but little more of it,
but if they were impatient, they must hear a great deal.
The Queen then said, " No,—l have personal rights
, which are quite consistent with the maintenance of
the prerogative of the Crown, these also will I
maintain."--(Hear, hear.) She, no doubt, was happy
and proud that the Ministers of her choice
were in office again, but how long her pleasurable sen-
sations were likely to last when she was told that her
friends had forsaken her, that they had that night
deserted her and thrown her captive into the hands of