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attacked was Lord Charleville, whose character was
equally amiable and upright, and who required no defence
from him. The Honourable and Lea: fled Gentle-
ftidn had alludgi to the exist.,nce of crime to a
great extent in Engidttdi but was not the character

of these crimes totally different frUrn that it was in Ire-
land? In the one country the whole populatton turned
out to assist in securing the murderer; in the other the
murderer was cherished and protected by the people The
statements he had made of the n lative amout of crime in
both countries was altogether incorrect the proportion
being much greater in Ireland, —( Hear, hear) He de-
nied that there had been any attempts made to pack Juries
by the last Administration in 'related. The etetement was
equally incorrect with all the others that had been made
by the Hen, and Lea' ned Gentleman in his vutabling address.
He had dot the slightest unkindly feeling towards the Right
Hon. the SoLciter•Cietierel for Ireland (Mr. Pigete )
Did that Gentleman believe it ?.—( Hear, hear. ) His poli-
tical opinions had never made and nevet would make him
feel unkindly towards any individual.—( Hear, hear ) Now
it was a fact that there was scarcely a Crown Solicitor in
Ireland who would bat ird his place by setting aside a
single juror, What was this in effect but packing Julies?
Hence the fact, that out of one hundred and seventy
trials for homicide at the late Assizes in Tipperary,
not one conviction took piece. Great praise had been
given to the imp atiality of the Sjecisl Commission in
Tipperary. But the fact was, Government would not
then prosecute before ordinary juries. No, they had the
magistrates and the grand jurors of the county empanelled,
and these gentlemen honestly did their duty by convicting
the murderers and other atrocious criminals. —( Hear,
hear.) Much as the Irish Government had been praised
he did not think it improbable that they might yet be
impeached.—( Hear ) They said that vigor and impartiality
were the characteristics of Lord Nornamby's Government.
Now he should like to see the man who would stand up and
declare this in the face of facts?—( Here Lord Morpeth
stood up amidst cheers and opposition,) He would say on
the contrary, that the conduct of the Irish Executive "Go-
vernment, had had the effect of exalting one party, and de-
pressing another. The atrocity which now disgrace Ire-
land, proceeded from the course of the Government,
Let him turn to his own profession—it would not suffice
for a member of that pion_ scion, as a justification in the eyes
of the late Government of Ireland—he hoped this would
not apply to the future Government—to be a person of
talent, learning, honour, exemplary charater and per-
fect neutrality in polities—such a man would not
be advanced. No, he would have no chance,
unless he would degrade himself and be ready to
lick the dust from the feet of Lord Normanby—(oh,
oh)—whom he would refer to Mr. Sergeant Gre,me, a
most respected friend of his. He had altogether avoic'ed
politics—perhaps he had gone a little out of his way to do
so. The only objectionable thing Sergeant Greene had
done was to attend Lord Normanbv's levee.—( Laughter. )
If this were not highly objectionable, he would ask, why
was it that so few of the gentry and the bar attended
them ? Surely if there were not some very strong reasons
against it the members of the bar would have felt it their
interest to attend the levees of the Lord Lieutenant.
Perhaps it was on account of his making his first entry into
Dublin amidst a mob of precursors.--( Loud laughter.)
The first men of the country were passed by, and those
only were promoted who served the purposes of the Go-
vernment. eVho had becn appointed Filacer of the Court
of Exchequer ? Why Mr. Power, the relative of one of
the Hon. Gentlemen who cheered him.—( Hear.) That
Mr. Power having outraged common decency, who else
had been appointed? Why Mr. A. O'Dwyer—( Hear)—
who had been an Agitator. So with respect to the person
who had been appointed to the office of the Clerk
of the Rules.--( Hear, hear.) Could the Protes-
tant people of the country have any confidence
in a Government which had so acted? Look also to the
appointment of the new Lord Lieutenant. After the speech
made by that Noble Lord, he must assert ' that that ap-
pointment was, to say the least of it, most unsuitable.—
( Hear, Lear.) There had been great partiality also in the
construction of the constabulatory force in Ireland.
Those who were lucky enough to be related to the Hon.
Member for Dublin were preferred. If the Government
trenched upon what was required by the Honourable
Member for Dublin they knew the consequences.
If Orange associations were put down all other secret so.
cieties ought to have been put down at the same time.
Proof was not wanting of the existence of Ribbonism, and
yet no attempts had been made to put that down. The
Irish people had strong passions, and were easily led for
good or evil—what then must be the effect of agitation
upon such a people as this? and yet the Noble Lord had
entertained at his table a number of Members of the Pre-
cursor Society. Why had there been such a difference in
the treatment of Lord Oxmantown and the Marquis
of Ileadfort ('Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.")
He held in his hand the information on oath of a man
stating himself to be member of the Ribbon Society—a
Society bound by oaths of secresy—which he would read
to the House, omitting the name. (The Learned Ser-
jeant here read the information alluded to, which stated
the nature and organization of the Ribbon Society.) He
:rusted the Government would follow out this intormation
He knew that Ribbonmen were extending fast—there were
many of them in Liverpool—there might be some in Shef-
field—he knew that there were many in Scotland—many
in Glasgow. One of the Ribbon documents was produced
upon the triad of a man in Drogheda, but still there was an
acquittal.. Another was found upon a min in Wick-
low—it was taken from him while lying on the
road in a tin box. The man first said it was a
bank note, and then that ht' had put in to light
his pipe, but it was found to be a; Ribbon document and was
forwaided to the Government. The hops of these
purges were raised by late events in Canada, for
many of the documents referred to the rebellion in
that country, and the existence of Ribbonism was
acknowledged by a Roman Catholic priest be-
C.re a Committee of last Session. The book of
the Hon. Member for Waterford ( Mr. Wyse) stated
that the object of the Catholic Association was the
dismemberment of the country and the overthrow of the
Church. Those were still the objects of all the other
associations, whether Volunteers or Precursors.—(Oh.
oh.) The latter Society was going in the footsteps of
the Catholic Association, and they had as many priests
members as were belonging to the Catholic As3eciation.
The Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin might have
his followers—he might have the rabble at his command,
but he had not the respectable and loyal Roman Catholic
people of Ireland. He believed they as much objected to his
conduct as Protestants did ; and when he talked of his seven
millions, when he had the audacity to say "we are seven
millions," he reckoned without his host, if he calcu-
lated on the great body of the people of Ireland,
as his supporters—( Hear, hear) —and a proof of that was
furnished by the fact that in Connauuht, where there were
not more than 44,000 Protestants, the contribution to the
Precursor Society was only 55/ 10s., whilst in Tipperary
it was 628/. 9s. Why was this? It showed that the
Roman Catholics would not allow their tenantry to do
wrong, and that the Protestants had been displaced
from their proper position.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The
Learned Sergeant went on to state that Lord Nor-
manby in his visitation through Ireland had discharged
one thousand one hundred and sixty-two convicts, before
the expiration of their sentences, and alter declaring that
such conduct was liable to an impeachment, and entering
into some other details, the Learned Sergeant finished by
representing the Government of Ireland to be altogether
under the influence of the Learned Member for Dublin
and his party.
Colonel VERNER moved the adjournment of the de-
bate till this evening.

Lord J. RUSSELL would not oppose the adjournment
if there were several other Gentlemen to address the House,
but he would certainly move the second reading of the Irish
Municipal Corporation Bill, in the first instance, and after.
wards propose the Committee of Supply.—(Cries of
" Go on.")
Mr. LEFROY was proceeding to address the House,
when he was met by cries of " Adjourn!"
The motion for the adjournment was then put and
agreed to.
Mr. BA RNEBY moved the appointment of a Select
Committee to inquire into the manner in which the
house kept by Mr. John Gilleland, for the reception of
insane patients at Hereford was conducted.—Agreed to.

On the Motion of Mr. BARING, the Transfer of Aids
Bill was read a third time and passed.
Mr. BARING and Admiral ADAM brought up papers b,.
command of her M- j* sty, whieh were laid on the table.

The House Mjournet: at Two o'CLocx.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

(From the rotes and Proceedings of Me !bust,' Commons.)
TUESDAY, MARCH 5, 1639.
INNKEEPERS.
Motion made, and Question pat; " That leave be given to
bring in a Bill be for the more effectual protection of Inn
keepers :"—The House divided :
11INOR1TY—AYES, 20.
Luce!les, W. S. Wakley, Thomas
O'Connell, Morgan Walker, IL
Paget, P. Woraley, Lord
Protheree, Edward Yates, John A.
I'ryme, G.
Heddington, T. N
Salwey, Colonel
Turner, Edmund

liglionby, H. A.
Bl mdford, Marquis of
Brocklehurst. J.
Collins, William
Divett, Edward
Dundas, C. W. D.
Goring, H. D. ,
Humphery, J.

?MFRS.
Pechell, Captain
Darby, George

JORITY-NOES,
Heathcoat, John
Hector, ;. J.
Hepburn, Mr B
Hill, Lord A. M. C.
Hindley, Charles
Hobhouse, Sir J. C.
Hobhouse, T. B.
Hodgson, Richard
Hope, Charles
Howard, P. H.
Howard, Sir It,
Hughes, W. B.
Hume, Joseph
James, Sir W.
Jervis, Swynfln
Jones, John
Kemble, Henry
Kinnaird, Hon. A
Knight, Henry Gaily
Labouchere, H.
Langdale, Hon. C.
Leader, J. F.
I.et'•oy, Rt. Hon P.
Lemon, Sir C.
Liddell, H. I'.
Lushingtoo, Charles
Lushington, Dr.
Lygon, Colonel
Lynch, A. B.
Mackenzie, Thomas
MacKenzie, W. F.
Maher, John
Niarshall, W.
Master, Colonel
Maule, Hon Fin
Maxwell, H.
Miles, P. W. S.
Monypenny, Capt.
Mordaunt, Sir J.
Morris, David
orrcys, Sir D J.
O'Brien, W. Smith
O'Ferrall, More
i'Neil, J. B. K.
Paget, Lord Alfred
Pokington, J. S.
Palmer, C. Fy,ho
Palmer, R.
Visct
Parker, John
Purker, It T.
Parnell, Sir H.

Abercromby, G. R.
Aglionby, Major
Ainsworth, Peer
klsager, Richard
Al,ton, R.
Archbold, Robert
krchdall, General
Bagge, Wm.
Bailey, Joseph, jun.
Baines, E.
Barington, Lord
B lesoo, Sir Robert
Beamish, F. B.
Bellew, R. M.
Berkeley, F. H.
Bevies, T.
Blackstone, W. S.

Blair, James
Blake, W. J.
I3odkin, John James
Bi oadley,
Brotherton, J.
Bruce, Lord E.
Bruges, W. 11. L.
Bran, George
Busleild, William
Campbell, Sir J.
Chute, W. L. W.
Clive, E. B.
Clive, Robert
Courtenay, Philip
Crawley, S.
Crompton, S. .
Curry, W.
Disk, Q.
Duncombe, A.
Du Pre, George
Egerton, W. T.
Esteoutt, T. G. B.
Etwall, It.
Evans, W.
Fector, J. M
Ferguson, Sir It A.
Fitzroy, Lold Cherie.
Fort, John
Gaskell, J. M.
Glynne, Sir S.

Gordon, R.
Grant, F. W.
Grattan, H.

H.

156.
Perceval, Colonel
Perceval, Hon. G. J.
Phillips, G.
Phillpotts, J.
Pigot, Robert
Plumptre, J I'.
Prael, W. T
Rice, T. S.
Rice, Edward
Rhhards, Richard
Roche, W.
Roche, Sir 1).
Rolfe, Sir It. M.
Rolleston, L.
Round, C. G.
Rushout, liowles
Russell, Lord John
Sanford, E. A.
Scarlett, J. Y.
Seale, Colonel
Shell, R. L.
Shirley, J. E.
Smith, fienj,min
Smyth,Vsiert i(io;
G.
Stanley W 0.
Stansfield, W. R. C.
Staunton, Sir G. 'l'.
Steuart, R.
Stewart, James
Stock, Dr.
Strickland, Sir G.
Strutt, E.
Stuart, Lord James
Stuart, Villiers
Style, Sir Charles
Thomson, C. P.
Thornely, Thomas
Th rnhill, George
Vivian, John Ennis
Wacloington. H. S
Warburt.n, H
Ward, (I H.
White, A
Willwalam. G.
Wil lams, It.
Wilmington, T. E.
Wilmington, H. J.
Young, Sir W. L.

TELLERS.
Seymour, Lord
Philips, 31,