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London, England, 1839-03-19 00:00:00

EDUCATION.

Lord STANLE Y—A few weeks ago the Noble Lord
stated that the Government had appointed a Commission
constituting several high Officers of the Crown to form a
Board of Education. He wished to ask whether the Go-
vernment intended before the Easter recess to lay before
the house any statement as to the extent of power and
authority which the Commissioners were to have, and also
with regard to the principle upon which the Board was to be
guided in the distribution of any money to be granted by
that House.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that documents should
be laid on the table stating the names of the persons and
the nature of the duties they were to perform immediately
after Easter, and a considerable time beforo any vote of
moneyNl ould be required on the subject.
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Lord STANLEY understood that a sum of 10,0001 had
been voted in 1835 for the erection of model-schools in
England; he wished to know if there was any account of
the disposal of that money ?
Mr. BARING was sorry the Noble Lord had not given
him notice of the question, and he would have been kble
to have given him an answer.
answer to a question from Lord ASIILEY,
Lord J. RUSSELL stated that he proposed to take the
Army Estimates on Friday next, and also the Army and Navy
Estimates the Monday following. Therefore, no ono of these
Bills, to which the Noble Lord alluded, would be brought
fnrward before the Easter holidays ; with :respect to the
Factory Bill, he proposed to take it on Friday, the 12th of
April, after Easter, and the Ecclesiastical Duties and Re-
venues Bill, on Monday, the 15th of April.
CANADA.

Sir R. PE EL wished to impress upon the attention of
her Majesty's Government the necessity of legislating with
respect to Canada during the present Session.

ARMY'ESTINIATES.

Sir HENRY HARDINGE said that he understood,
on Friday evening last, that it was arranged that
Honourable Members should be at liberty to discuss
the qu,stion of the force upon the bringing up
of the Report. Now he doubted very much whether that
could be done if it was brought up to-morrow.
Lori JOHN RUSSELL said there could he no ob-
jection to tho discussion to-morrow if there was time
sufficient.

Lord [JO WICK said that it was his intention, with the
permission of the House in Committee, to take the
vote for the men and part of their expenses, and when he
proposed taking the other part of the expenses, that then
the general discussion should take place.
Sir H. HARDINGE—On Friday?
Lord HO WICK--Yes, on Friday, if it was found con-
venient.

Sir H. II ARDING E could not object to that arrange-
ment. He wished, however, to ask the Noble Lord a
question relative to the amount of the force. He wished
to know whether the amount of force about to be voted was
the entire and whole of the amount of force to be proposed for
the year, taking into view the Indian and North American
Provinces of this country. He did not ask whether there
was to be a supplementary vote brought before the House,
but whether, according to the information now before the Go-
vernment, it was considered to be a sufficient vote for the pre-
sent year?

Lord J. RUSSELL said it would be impossible to an-
swer that question now. All that could at present be said
was, that the number of men proposed to be voted was the
number considered necessary at the time when the esti-
mates were framed.

Sir FL HARD 1N G E said it certainly was important to
know whether the amount to be proposed this evening
was the amount whch the Government now consldered
sufficient.-_( Hear. )

Lord HO WICK said the answer to that question would
involve the statement as to the difference between the
present system and that of former years, which he
would be prepared to make on Friday. He should
now only propose to take a vote for 3,000,0001.
the remainder of the estimate, 350,0001., he would post-
pone till Friday, when there would be ample opportunity
for any observations on the subject.
IRISH RAILWAYS.

In answer, to a question from Mr. LUCAS,
Mr. F. FRENCH said he could not consent to post.
pone his motion respecting Irish Railways till after Easter,

CONTROVERTED ELECTIONS.

Mr. C. BULLER begged to ask the Right Honourable
Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, what course be in-
tended to pursue with respect to his Bill r,..gardiug the trial
of controverted elections, whether there was any hope of
its coming on before Easter, and whether it would come
on upon a Wednesday ?
Sir R. PEEL said the Noble Lord (J. Russell) had
held out hopes that after Easter a day might specially be
set apart for the Bill. He hoped it would not be a
Wednesday—(Hear, hear)— for the subject was of
such great importance, that it was desirable that the
sense of the House should be fairly taken upon it.—( Hear,
hear.) He would not press the Noble Lord to let it
come on before Easter ; but shortly after be trusted
it might ; because the second reading of the Bill having
(as we understood) been carried, and an alteration of the
present systeM therefore determined upon, it was highly
desirable that the nature of that alteration should be
as speedily as possible fixed.—( Hear, hear.)
EXPENSES IN CANADA.

Sir H. HARD INGE wished to know whether any ac...
count of the expenditure of the half million, voted last
year on account of the extraordinary expenses in America,
would be given, and what would be the estimated sum
taken this year for the expences in Canada?
Lord HOWICK said he was enable to answer the
question, but he believed an account would be presented.
As to the estimates for the present year that was a ques-
tion to which he should have to advert on another
occasion.

The honour of it was greater than any other country in the
world, and the national pride of -every Englishman velis,
thank God, not yet gone. If 20 more line-of-battle ships
were fitted out, he should be content. Looking to the whole
circumstances of the navy of the country, he felt it to be big
duty to move that it should be an instruction to the Co m:
mittec to re-consider the vote of 3-1,160 seamen an
marines, and whether it would not be advantageous, in the
present state of the country, considering its foreign rela-
tions, to make a considerable increase.
The SPEAKER—Who seconds the motion?
Mr. T. ATT WOOD—I suppose some honest manwill.
—( Laughter. )
Sir J. TYRRELL seconded the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the _EXCHEQUER con-
sidered that it was contrary to the practice of Parliament
for any Honourable Member to propose an increase aeon
the number proposed by Government.
Mr. HUME considered it was the duty of the Govern-
ment to propose an increase, if it was thought necessary,
and not an Hoe. Member.
Mr. ATTWOOD said that he did not propose a rota
for more money. All that he suggested was that there
should be more men.— (Hear.)
Sir R. PEEL said if the Hon. Member had proposed
that the subject should be taken into consideration, he
would have adopted a course that could have been pursued bf
the House, but having moved an increase of men 11
thought the House, consistent with its usual course, could
not entertain it.
The SPEAKER having read the instruction Of the
Hun. Member,
Sir R. PEEL said that he considered the present quee"
tion one of great importance, and as well worthy the atten-
tion of the House. His (Sir R. Peel's) point was thtgi
that it was necessary to keep strictly to the prineiPle °
not increasing the- estimates proposed by the Crown.--
(Hear, hear.) of
Mr. T. ATTWOOD said if he could get the sensn
the House on this most important question on any other
occasion, he would not press his motion now.—(Cheereld
Mr. PLUM PTRE said if the Hon. Member Iva
frame it as an address to the Crown he would second
Mr. T. ATTWOOD said he would now change it int°
an address to the Crown if the House would allow hint•--.
(Laughter, and cries of " Oh, oh.)
The Hon. Member ultimately withdrew his motion.
Lord HO W ICK (the House having resolved itself to
a Committee of Supply) then proposed a vote for t"
Land Forces (on account) of 89,000 men (we believe)..„
Mr. HUM E said if it was understood that an opportuallid
wou'd be afforded for considering the subject, he tenu
not object to the vote.—Agreed to.

NAVY .
Mr. C. WOOD proposed to takeE-STIMATES 700,000/. on aec°lll/t
of the
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ere was no vote to which he had stibt,
an objection as to that for the half-pay and the dead-weigeot
The vote, hoe ever would pass under the same engagell'
as the previous one.—( Hear).
Sir J. G El AiNl thought that as the whole vote I
but 720.000/ 700,0001. was a large instalment. —(1111
Mr. WOOD consented to taCe 500,000 L, which
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agrec.d to; as was also 500,000/. for pensions,

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The,ooo/ for other allowances.
House hat ing resumed, and the Order of the Di/
hiavng been read for the adjourned debate on the