The Sun.
London, England, 1808-04-30 00:00:00

'lomi-the conacqUence wis such as might beexpected,-
1! that the higher orders of-Catholics in Ireland were
not willing to ecloc'et.4 their children far Holy Orders,
and that the Catholic Ec lesiastic...were-not always-
as respedahle in rank at fortune wquld be de-
strable. Utidef these" circumstances, -however on-
pdpular such a sentiment may be, ltec was bbliged to
say that he disapproVed of t he' whole exiience of each_
Student being borne by the public; he wished a re
spettable, establishment of buildings, Professors, and
'Teachers, to be maintained be Gove:nment, but he
would also wrSheilitriSttioents ckiniiti.; to share those
general advantages should bear all the other ex-
peaces therpselves; a's'ikas the case with Students in
the University: .of :Dublin. This measure, he
thought, would tend Ao. increase the real respedabi-
l4y of the, .catholie clergy, by, excluding the poor
a 4 19Wer.classes of Students from Sacred Orders,
and- as having an, influence of this kind he should
vote for the Ninallel bum. •
Mr. I'ITZGE4ALD,QUii4I'Ved, that if the Hon. Gen-
. gegnnt wiled/ad-just •Sat.doV:ll, should-not, by the
sentiments. he had uttered, which went to the total
destruaion of the Institution, satisfy either the Com-
mittee or theratholics, he had completely gratified
his Majesty's Piime Minister: ;The Right
QvutlettlartAito InAd_bi ought forward the proposi,
tion, had made no statement but ,the size of the
bullying to justify the, redutlion of the grout.. By
tins course the Home would incur the hazard of
that termeta, which; a feeling of the indisposition
of that House to the etinewien the priests,
-• would };reduce in Ireland. He looliAl bark with
Satigatiion to the origin of 4.11j4 and aee
knotvledited guititu.le, that it was owing to the
liberality telt on tins side of the water, having been
adopted on the suggestion of a great and illustrious
charaaer tMr. Burke), whose ,knowledge and ex-
perience bad ip so many other instances proved be.‘
to the- Empire. ,But when: the Right Hon.
Getuleman,upp-,site (the Chancellor- of the Exche-,
44er) said, that they,were not bound to educate the
Catholics, her a uul& (WI Gentleman that the
Catholics :lad been the: people of Ireland, that the
liroperties ut most of those- who supported that Right
Hon, tlenalematt, and represented that Country in
Parliament, were made -up of confiscations from the
Catholics, He would tell hint too, that • the Pro-
l'testant Institutions in that Country., and, samougst
them, the, magnifict...nt establishment of Trinity Col-
lege, were supported by property confiscated from
the Catholics. The principles ut that Right Hou.
Gentlemati.were the pi incipies of the. Penal Code.
But the experiment had been tried, and. had failed.
It the Union had not taken place, there could be no
doubt that additions. would have been Made in the
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Original grant. At the foundation of the Institution-
the supply from France only had been cut off;
and by the papers it appeared, that 136 were after
that educated, on the Continent. The progress of
the French arms had cut otf that-supply too, and it,
became therefore necessary to Make an addition to
the original Instituting, to meet the growing demand.
The house ought to be liberal,in.t lie grant" of ft.inds
for the cducatioti.of the Catholic Clergy, for -it was
matter of serious importance that the Catholic Clergy.
Should be ,well.eauCated.. The.flight H!)11. Gentle•
mar`, then proceeded to shew, that it had: been the
predict:, since the Union, to augment the, other
grant*, and complained that this alone should Its
exception. He Anstanood a grant .6, the • Dublin
House of Industry, -and the Dublin Society, and
though he didoot ogled to the grants to these Ins.ti-
tulions, he ct, old not put the melioratinn of the coon-
try in corupetiti,o with the moral .improvement of
the people. The whole grant demanded W.as not
more thanone half of the sum voted for seduelog 3:
few Catholic children, With the imaginary:. notion
of making them Protestants. -He concluded by
giving-his support to the amendment of his Right
Hon. Friend. •
Mr. CaoKarti in explanation, said, thathe did not
recommend the abolishing the. Institution, but rather
to increase it, by abolishing gratuitous, maintenance
and education. As to 'the Hon. Gentleman's in-
sinuation, that he-was attuated by a wish to.agree
with the Prime Minister, he ,did not expeti such-a
remark from a Gentleman of such political good
nature as the Hon, Gentleman, who had very kind-
ly and, eornplaisantly held Office under four. se-
veral pod Adverse Administrations.
stated the nninber of Catholic.
Clergymen , employed in parochial duties in Ireland
at the lowest at- 3000; and maintained that the
supply that .would be annually afforded by:the re-
&iced grant would be insufficient. He read frortk
various documents published by the Roman. Catholio
' clergy, incitements to the Roman Catholic body to
be loyal .ana. ),.(icrly in their contiud. He also read
some loyal Addresses from the Catholic Nobility
and Clergy.to several Lord Lieutenants.
The question being called tor,
divided,

the Committee

For Sir I. Novvrt's Amenchnett - . SS
For the original ructi;.nt
The Report was:Ordered to be received on Tues-
day.
Mr. EOSTEU presented Accounts relating to First
Fruits and Glebe Houses itl< Ireland.. . -
On the motion of Sjr A.lttlielt WELLESLEY, the
further consideration of the Report of the Dublin
Police Bill, .as .well as the further proceedings on
the. Irish Glebe 'Houses, and .Ciergy Residence Bill,
were deferred till Monday. The lapsed Orders' of
yesterday, for the. furrher proceedings on the Cu-,
rate's Bills was revived fur Wednesday.; those ore-
lating to the. Report of the Finance Committee,
touchin,, the provision for,the . Judges of; Scotland,
and :her Report of the lr WI Spirit Dra..t.back • Bill,
were fixed for Monday.
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