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had voted in the minority. If he was influenced by
mtives alone, then how was it that he had dealt so p°
He bad a list of many names, but he would be r2sa
(Chef
to inention them without giving them notice.--(v"el
Mr. T. ATTWOOD said lie saw the names of:
relation .of his and of his Hon. Colleague in tbe ist'
they were present he had no doubt they would give °Ai
an explanation as had been dune by the other lithe
hers who had been implicated. lie thought
Member had been premature in bringing on ub i the 11/c
°
and he hoped he would withdraw it, and not tro
HSirouse again with it.
C. BURRELL thought the motion had not
tand a ,n, and had b- br ~ht forward in a verYtiereei
i

poL .:an ,cen
manner towards those gentlemen whose conduct
was
in
Mquesion. r
r. I'. M. STEW ART said the vote the ot-e1
was not in favour of any particular Ihic--1
merely to instruct the Committee to report the ,
neering evidence as a matter of fact, and not of
,‘ Ilia made it a very different case from that of the
Member for Marylebone last year. bel
Captain ALSAGER said three Hon. Mern!
denied that they were connected with these locr;
their names stood upon the list which had been fl.t,
to that House. Were they to take that list, or Ilha
they to go by ?
Sir S. WHALLEY said the Hon. Members
subscribers to the List under hand and seal, and raest
fore bound by law to all the liabilities of a,„01
holder.—( Hear, hear.) He was sorry that his -
had been misunderstood, and he was more 5°,(1311
in ore instance he had committed a mistake.
permission of the House, he would either withdraw
tion, or permit it to be negatived without any troule,
Sir A. L. HAY was not aware that the Hon.
itvended to make such a motion till he Oterdo
House. The vote he gave the other night sos,!ett
general principles, end without reference to anY fo
ever. He was a subscriber and shareholder in t't;ioll
Brighton, and he would do as he did last year, 3,1';,1;10
voting on any question respecting that line, 011%01
be
conclusive ; he would not only not vote in far"o6
line he was connected with, but be would also al13)-
voting against those opposed to it.
The Gallery was cleared for a division, but n°-
place.

On our return to the gallery we found— jot
Mr. iNI‘KINNON presenting a petition Itga
St. Pancras Paving Act.
Lord A. LENNOX presented h petition fr°,.o,:i
proprietors of coaches travelling to Kew, Brent'
against Sunday Travelling:,--( Hear, hear.)_
DISTRESS IN THE SHETLAND
Mr. CLAY presented a petition from 3,000 far
aboli
fishermen in the Shetland Islands, praying for tiler"
of the Corn-laws. They were now without 6%01
subsistence. In consequence of an unfavourab
old
20,000 persons were in a state of destitution. He!tiool
the attention of the House to the important Pet'
occasion.

Reared to the Committee on petitions. ipil
Snme petitions were presented both for and eb4
Ministerial plan for the abolition of Church-rates.
isl
Mr. T. ATTWOOD presented a petition, Its.
an alteration in the law as regarded Benefit Sea'
IRISH POOR RELIEF BILL. DO
Lord J. RUSSELL moved the Order of tbei .01
going into Committee on the Poor Relief (Ireletle
Mr. SHAW begged to put a question to tj
Lord before going into Committee. He underst°„°o6l
paper on the subject of this Bill had been dray/0;101.
Senior, and placed in the hands of the Noble Ph° bit.
should wish to have a copy of it placed upon the '1:4,1
the Noble Lord was unwilling to produce that
haps he would have no objection to inform the P°oo
was Mr. Senior's opinion as to the workhouse 01,10
(as we understood) the law of settlement, and oestill
present Bill was not a deviation, in part, from the
tions both of Mr. Senior and of the Commissionel st!
Lord J. RUSSELL could have no difficultY.le,
that the gentleman to whom he alluded as hatstO
communications to him in a written paper upon t". 010
was Mr. Frankland Lewis, and if that
have no object to it, he (Lord J. Russell) scOuldoer.
willing to submit to the House so ably written Pci
Senior certainly did express the opinions allude this
letter to Lord Howick, written some time before 00
was brought in ; but he believed the opinion let?
tamed by Mr. Senior upon the subject was, that treiti
upon which this measure proceeded was the 9$ 1,
could be adopted, under all the circumstances. it
Lord Lord DUDLEY STUART said lie had a Ort
stood for that day, and he did not think it rig it
should be interrupted by the Order of the PAYt
unfair to interfere in that way with the motions °tile
gentlerna
Members. Would the Noble Lord mention "

which he might bring on his motion
Lord J. RUSSELL said it would be C5t8;11101
highly inconvenient precedent if he were to name
the manner suggested by the Noble Lord. I°'
Lord D. STUART was surprised at the condo
Noble Lord. The motion of which he gave otwi
peculiar importance. It involved the character Fl
the Noble Lord's colleagues, the Secretary f 01,001)
Affairs, as having broken faith with that House,'
ing yet appointed a British Consul at Cracow.,
Lord J. RUSSELL said there were two or t,,ul-plo'
which had precedence of the Noble Lord's,
brought on, might occupy the whole night.
Mr. PRYME said his notice stood first. lie -jo°
way repeatedly before, and was ready to do so er.
,"
Noble Lord would name a day.
Lord D. STUART said if the Noble Lord 111;1
to pursue this course, he might be prevented froteibi
on his motion at all. The public must pereeiv_Ae
object of the Noble Lord was to serve his colie7;ri
Mr. BROTHERTON and Sir L. PAR} °t'
their readiness to give way, and not press, at P.- d'
motions of which they had given notice. • 0!.,
Lord D. STUART would not now press bigpellj
but he hoped he might be permitted to present 111101"1,1
The Nuble Lord then presented a petitiom from
(as we understood), praying that a Vice-Consul
appointed to Cracow.

Mr. D. W. HARVEY had a motion 0" hrd
which he was anxious to dispose of, relative t° 'Act I-1
and Middle Temple, igid Lincoln's Inn. The
tive to the Commissiolitrs of Charities would Or
Ist of July.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the CorifOr
might continue the inquiry even after the expirii-°
Act.

POOR RELIEF BILL. poet
The House then went into Committee on the
lief (Ireland) Bill.
ni
Clause 15 being put from the Chair
Mr. S. CRAW/FORD rose to propose' an 0'
He objected to vesting in Commissioners the P°!;,-rectiPi;
ing parishes for the purposes of the Bill, without "'de;
of the parishes themselves. He wished to assimilatt.psll.
to that of the English Act, which left it °P.„'i- PO;
every parish to be responsible only for the inal"„-leeri
its oxn poor. He wished also to limit the iset 00/
that which existed in Scotland—namely, an leuusr-risPe4ll
tlement. He would propose, also, that alldisputes;„-eneo'
settlement should be determined by the Cornnlir'inield
that they should-have a discretion as to the au (11„d,
of out-door relief. This amendment, he adtl'ogniro
not apply if a principle of settlement was not rect-0.-be.i
the 13:11. He did not think that parishes 000
jetted to a tax for the poor unless there was a °
Absentees were one great cause of pauperielli,i,gir 10'4
and it would not be just that others should eu'i" boo
neglect. He would propose that a distinction 50.
drawn even between different parts of the same° ,j
The Amendment being put, n
Lord MORPETH said the present Bill clJhefe.
law of settlement, and he hoped ltHouse ss,
before they recognised it, asthet the
do if they
to the amendment of his Honour)a.ble Friend' sterol
settlement in Ireland would let in the whole sYsoitiv
gation which was found so expensive under the -
this country.
After a few words from Mr. SHAW.

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informed as to the practicability of •
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tOaUt La
all
inU RI consideredriNad the
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trodueli'' it 't
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Mr. ' -
0 CONNELL had eu be'
alwas understo t t
the intention of the Government not enter'nt°
behlia
to id 1
tion of settlement at all. He thought it 07u ior,hoP,
that the Hon. Member for Dundalk Amur, tibret, F
question before the House in aseparate and tilsitino,rAilflP
(Hear, hear.) The motion of the HO. '-e cotll
Dundalk was one which
the House could no 00)
ii
After a few words from Mr. S. CRAWL'
oddeti./,'
SHAW,
Lord J. RUSSELL said that what be hao dciol-l•PI
(ciciidnvey was that, though lie was opposed to a set•tter.,ll'd
settlement tNli
was,
not object to its being discussed in Coolu%lior
however, read • i • lO 6111 ,
_, V
) to near it argued trilii
Hous might • .
e think proper. Pe
tO Pk
Mr. LUCAS said a f ' .
few words relative fOl
rt ° ti'l
had •in the votes upon this subject, the purpo t I
Poe°
not reach the Gallery.
Mr. JEPHSON thought it would be I)etr r Ole° 01
for the
Member for Dundalk should withdraw hisa 0 0
the present, and bring the question fervor lio
to tel
rate and substantive motion. 0 ,
0 or 1,0
Mr. S. CRA WFORD said his difficultY Nag shott,
he could vote for the clause lit stood, for, if ting i
to it, it would almost • s • from - 3P id
preclude him 0 1
0 0
Hon. Gentleman suggested. en feo 0
Mr. C. I3U LLER said that a local settle:ll/cipal;deitie
cal charge ought ever to constitute the Pralt 0 "
of a poor law.—((Hear.)d A poor law withou
was a complete elusion,—(Hear, hear)