The Sun.
London, England, 1808-06-16 00:00:00

LOCAL MILITIA.

The Order of the DI 'was then read for the second
reading of the Local Militia Bill, for the discussion
of which 'their Lordships had been summoned ; bttt
Ao olljeaictix was made at diet Stage of the busineis.
The Bill was read a second time,' siid ordered to be
committed to-morrow, when the discussion of the
kneasure is expeded to take place.
The House next proceeded to forward the Bills oil
the table.

On second reading of the Paddington Coal
Bill, a short conversation arose between Lor4'§Vf•
folk, the Lord Chancellor, and Lord Spencer, re-•
speeting the consequences arising'from the inequality
of the duties on coals coming by sea from Newcastle,
and by internal Navigation to PaddingtOir. Lord
Sutlolk contended, that the metropolis trifen be
supplied with that very necessary commodity -at. a
lower rate, if the'duty on the Paddington Cal
Coal was diminished. He was of opinion that Coals
should be allowed to be brought to the metropolis
from both these quarters in equal quantities, and up-
-04 equal terms.
, .
The 'LORD CHANCELLOR wished the Noble Earl
would endeaVour• to equalize the duties on both de-
acrlptions of coals. He could,assure the Noble Earl
that by so doing he would, do a great service to his
°mit/Yraen of Newcastle, but he feared the were
great obstacles in the way, and the Noble Lord
would no doubt r:-collect what a fruitful nursery for
rkur navy the coasting trade bad always been acknow-
ledged and found. • • •
Lord Sisito sit, concurred in opinion with the No-
ble and Learned Lord. , . , .
• Thil Dili was thou ordered to be committed to-
htorrois.
ihe second reading of the Land BeVenue Bill,

Lord Sureot.sc also adverted to tlso. protesting carte
With which the growth of timber should be cherish-
lid and encouraged in this country.
Tito second reading of the Pauper Lunatic Bill
having taken plaice,
14ord Sufb•otat lamented that the operation of the
Bill was not extended to Scotland, and related a me-
lancholy case of an officer belonging to his own re-
timent, who, for want of .such an Institution or
Acylum in Scotland, had been reduced' to the . most
tePlorable extremities of distress. •
Lord SPENCER ObStrvitti, that the present Bill
*list') framed) as utterly to prevent its extension to
Scotland.
Lori SeyroLx, after again expressing his wish to
trend the operation of the Bill, thought proper. here
to observe; that his sentiments respettmg the Droits
of the Admiralty had been incorreAtly stated.. He
*lever intended to assert that the Droits of the Ad-
.cuiralty belonged to the people. All that he meant
eo comelld wax, that as the Droits of the Admiralty
were known-to
.amotint to no less a suns *than two
inillions, or, at least, a million and a half, the peo-
ple. had aright know whatlarge a sum
to to, uses so
uf 6-loney was alibied. •
T.,„ll;'.Uill was ttien ordered to-be committed.
_,...vmessage from the Commons brought up Copies
,°,l the Re.-",,rts'of the Committee of tat House on
the Bill for' Suspending the Distillery of Spirits from
To, which, on the motion of Lord Lauderdale,
were'ordered to be printed.—Adjourned. , •

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
WEDNESDAY, JUNE
•
the Redeemed Stock Bill, the Irish Loan Bill;
the Irish Permits,1 rt
the West India Courils,-•
41"er"' Bill, the Barrack Commissioners Bill, the
',:;rnerican Trade Bill, and Mr. M'Clintoch's Bill,
were rwtl a third time and passed ; also the Exche-
quer
Bills Bill, and the Smuggling Prevention Bill.
nyrztcr -Rosa obtained leave to bring 111'11 Bill fur per-
#l 141 g the removal of goods warehoused
.10 Len-
..ol, -4
to the outports, for exportation.
f House in Committee, came to a Resolution
or porting certain Duties in place of those alteacly
Plid On painted silks.
I‘ll'. C3'reY, from the British Museutn, presented
'Creoiulatiutis cif admission to see the Collection of
mat AUY • StitUtiOn.
The Sugar Bill was rend a second time,
11:14 ordered to he committed on Friday. Also the
( utree Bills, which were committed for to-morrow,.
the cape of Good Hope Trade Bill, the Brazil Post-
a;"iicl the Pri2e Captures Bill.
the •
Ale Licence Bill went throuh a Committee,
Itteport
to be received to-morrow; also the Spi.
,iteguiaion
611.4 Nies:sage from
:the Lords declared their Lord-
assent to the Malt Duty Collettion Bill, the
lei (-)tße'ri Du Bill, the. Copper Duty Bill, the
poit"rti iskieryi Bill, the Sugar and Coffee lin-
-41totti and Corn Exportationßill.
Air
cell' • n •-.4ittlititz, wished to present a Petition from
andien Freeholders of the Kint,'s county, Trustees
ruPtietors of the Grand Canal in Ireland; pray-
, r
Pllblic aid, •
fbre,
er a I M4Tritaws offered a similar Petition
county of Tipperary ; but neither Petition
be 'a recommended by his Majesty, they could.not
.I,,iloce:vccl nor considered.
PARNZI„,f, wished to Isoo7/ whether it:*as

,• . ,
Infinileci by 'the hir/ettthlOt to propose r.ny
iuiu for the extension or iulund navigation in irc-

land.
Sir A. WELLFSLEY said it was intended to receive
plans for the 'extension of inland navigation ; and to
aid the execution of those plans as ter as the suni in
the Beek for the uses of it r navigation would al
low, lt. would be to be 'edtAidered after the expen-
' diture of the fund on hand; whether atty application
should be made to Parliamentler further aid.
On the motion of the,CRANCELLOX of the Ex-
CUEQUER, it was ordered that the Copies of the
Re-
ports of the Committee on the Distillation from Su-
gar should be sent to the Lords, by Mr. We.drots;
in compliance with their- Lordships' message ofyes
,
terday. •
Mr. Lorin eave notice, he would move io-Morrow
foe leave to bring in a BUT to extend the powers of
the Commissioners for improving the Approaches to
Westminster Hall aild both Housos,ot 'Parliament.
Sir SAM. liots4lLLy"tuoved the Order of the Day
forgoing into a Committee on the Privately Stealing
Bill.
Mr. BURTON argued against the Bill : he doubted
whether the evils now imputed to the criminal law
of Great Britain really existed ; and was persuaded
much greater mischiefs would arise thim the great
alteration of the principle on which that lavi had
rested for some,centuries. At all events, he thought
the preamble ought to be expunged.: he was certain,
from the.result of his judicial experience (as one of
the Justices of Chester), that the offences of young
criminals could not be repressed without the great-
est severity, short of death.
Mr. Heusi:Kr, of Kerry, also objeeled to the
preamble. It being the object to prevent rather than
to punish crimes, laws were framed naturally with
greater severity than attended their execution. He
disapproved of so material an alteration in the prin-
ciples of the Criminal code, and wished at least the
consideration of the matter should be deferred to
another session.
Sir A. PIOOT contended, that.the present extent
of crimidal punishments did net. prevent crimes. The
crime of picking pockets, which the law against pri-
vately stealing was prat:Wady intended to prevent,
was never more frequent than at present. He thought
the Bill should go into a Committee, and hoped it
would collie out Of that Committee in a state tit to
pass the House.
The SOLICITOR GRNRRAL, if his Learned Friend
wished to press the Bill in this Session, had no CU-
leaion to its passing through a committee, in order
to correa it as far as passible. But he would intreat
the House to' pause before it would pass finally a
measure ivadamentally subversive of the best critni-
nal code ever known.
Mr. C. WYNNE defended the Bill. There ,was
scarcely au instance within this century in which
the penalty of death had been carried into execu-
tion in the case in which it was here proposed to
repeal it. •
Mr. G. Poesowev approved of the principle on
which his Hon. and Learned Friend endeavoured to
amend the criminal law ; and thought the best mode.
of improvement was to apply the amendment to
each particular in
Mr. LrecESTER contended, the law could never
provide satistadorily for a variety ot cases, which must
be decided by circumstances, whether the atfeace
should not be punished wish severity. It was only
by the discretion of the Judge that such case t• could
be regulated; he therefore disapproved of the'prin-
ciple of the Bill.
Sir R, MIUMNIc asserted there were pbundant
precedents for altering •the law as circumstances re-
quired; and supported elle Bill.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY did hope that this Bill
would pass in the present Session. He did think,
that the preamble of the Bill ought to be: retained.
It contained the reasons ott whicii rte hrousht ill tie
Bill, and on which he hoped it would ;pass.' But if
Gentlemen thought differently from' him, he would
give tip the preamble, and be content to substitute.
the 'common preamble, " WhereasA is eximedient."
The present extreme rigour of the law shucked the
humanity of Prosecutors, 'of Juries; of Judges, and
-led them to compromise the law and the utfence,
rather than go to the extent of inflicting capital
puhishment where it was severe heyoud:alt propor-
tion to the crime. The frequent impunity vacourag-
-ed offenders to repeat their climes:and if, assn' a
multitude of escapes, they at length sutired, they.
attributed the misfortune to accident or want of
dexterity, rather than to justice and the rigour
and vigilance of
_the :law.. cited Mr. Justice
Blackstone's .ReMarks. to .prove, that the lenity ot
Judges and Juries, from the necessity of tieing some-
' thing to countered' the extreme rigour of toe law,,
'encouraged offenders to go on. The Legislature,
in suffering the excessive penalties that required this
eva4ion io temain, was an accomplice -to the en-
couragement given to criminality. It was lament-
able that when any person proposed to render the
law more mild, the jealousy of so many persons was
excited; and that, when tt wus proposed to add
to its severity, no complaint was made. 'A Bill
had.recently passed adding nine new eapharfelonies,
to the former catalogue. To this Bill nobody ob-
jected, though, lie would maintain, that an increase
of severity was as great aim innovatrue as a repeal of
severity to the saute extent. He also adverted to
the Indi&ment Bill lately passed,- as an iunovation
of much greater magnitude than the present Bill.
He adverted to the Committee appointed twenty
years ago, of which Mr. Fox was a member, to in-
quire what criminal punishments ought to be re-
pealed. They reported 'six' Statues. The Bill of
repeal passed the House, but Was lost in the Lords
by the prorogation ot Parliament, though the first
authorities in that House agreed to repeal five of the.
six Ads reported. He altowed that a remedy was
found in explaining the value of money, under time
statute of Elizabeth, according to the relative value
ofsoods at that time and at present. But this
remedy was not of a satisfiolory kind. It was
merely. discretionary, and the exercise of that dis-
cretion was not alwaystregulated by the best rea-
sons. He knew a case, and it was well known, in
Which a Judge of very respeftable chara&er.direded
the Jury to find a stolen key of the full capital value,.
because it appeared to be stolen with a view to cam-,
mit a theft. Froth all these reasons, be
,hoped the
House would nut go into -the Committee, but
-ultimatel,t` pass the Bin.
• The SOLICTTOR-GEWERAL explained.
The
_House then went into a Committee on time
Bill. . •

The SeLICITOU-GlitiMIAL, after a variety of Ai.-
servations, feeding to ahem/ the impropriety of de=
Glaring a principle, and then of leav,ing many of the
laws ditectly contradicting that principle, proportl a
dat.l,e, staling, that " Whereas the Act of 'Elizabeth
had nut been Annul etletiii•e for the. prevention of

the crimes therein enumerated, it was therefore ex-
pedient that so ninth of ,the said•A(lt should be re-
pealed; and that whereas it might have a bebefrcial
tendency to make the. punishment fur larceny front
the person more severe than for simple larceny; that
it be enacted that any pe: son who took any. proper-
ty twin the penon of an. individual, privily or with-
out fOrce, or .wrio sholld be aiding and abetting
therein,. should be liable to b.j trenspo...ted for life,
or for seven years at the discretion of the Jude, or
to be kept to hard labour,. lit. a gaol or a libuse of
correction, for any term not exceedioz three years;"
The clause having been brought up, a short dis-
cussion ensued, in which Mr. WYNDHAM and Mr.
BUXTON supported_ the clause, and Mr. RORNIIR
and Mr. J. ABERCROMBIE defended the original Bill.

In the course of this discu;sion Mr. Abererombie
gave notice, that early in the next Session he should
move for the appointment of a Committee to exa-
mine the stale.ot' Botany Bay, and to ascertain, whe-
ther any praMical benefit had been 'derived from the
establish nieu t of that Colony.'
The CHAIRMAN intimating, that as the clause
proposed by the Solicitor-General had no intniediate
relevancy to the Bill before the. Committee, it be-
,camoneceSsary that he should be instructed by the
House before h* could .ii_gree to its introdildinu
after a tow Words front Sir S. Romilly and Sir C. Bun-
bury, the HoUse was. resumed; Mr. Wltrion.re-
pcirted progress, and • was' instru&ed to receive the
" clause. The Bill was' then re-colurnittvd, and the
clause added to it ; t r.l the House having resuined,
the Report was received, and ordered to be taken
into further consideration cia Wedlle4ly nett, and
the. Bill,was ordered to be printed:

Mr. SHERIDAN then rose, and spoke to the, fol-
lowing etiett :—" Mr. Speaker.--However I may
regret that the proposition which I bad the honour
of giving notice that it was my intention to bring
fot'ward.this evening, has been postponed until this
late hour,. and that the attention of the House must
be considerably uxhatlSted by:tht: discugsion which
has just terminated, yet, I still think it tight to
submit to their consideration the important subje
which was the object of that notice. rcannot con-.

ceal that a kind.ot negotiation has been carrying On
bet ween :my Right Honourable 'Friend opposite and
myself, in the course, of which, my Right Hon.
Friend expressed his wish that I would put off my
motion for this evening, because the distingished
persons kith() have lately come over to England to
represent to the British Government the state and
disposition of ,their native country, are at this very
moment partaking of the hospitalities of his mansion.
Sir, 1 allow that this was a strong reason on the part
of my RiJ,tlion. Friend for dein.* a ipostponez,
nmit of this.. business ; for I bvii
ot
%OMNI 'Hy

light Hon. Filen:l*-s public spirit and enthusiasm,
that he has no. very . great inclination to lose a goOd
dinner--(a-But as inyi Hight Hon, Friend
has denwhekt -a very able G4lcri,ll "(the Setketary of
Slate for Ireland) to •c:present hint at his. house, I
feel leSs reludant at thus intruding nn his patience,

and shalt therefere proceed, only xPrest4i hope,
that that gallaut Baronet 'way soon be detached on a
more seriOus service ; that he may aeon be sent into
Spain to rtTresent in that country, theenthosiesm of
England ie her cause. In the first Mane, Sir, I wish
to corred an' idea which has g auroa3, that 1 en•
tcrtained the I oily, tho preseileeion,
mere, and the bad taste, of iteending to teach his
Majesty's Nlinistet's hew to' coneuct themselves in
the existing' circumstances. All I desire, Sir, is to
win the attention of the !louse to the present situa-
tion. of Spain. Having, communicated the•tenor of
my motion on a limner evening to my Right Hoe.
•Friend opposite, end my intention 'nut biloug been.
disapproved by toy Right Hon. Friend, I o.en I was
surprised to find that his Bight i ion. and Learned
Colleague imagined that my atietent would tend to
embarrass his Majesty's Government. After the
content:vie:l6olv to which I liayeeilluded,-1 ex.peeled
that he would give ine credit for havinea no• such .üb-
jeet in view._ On the ether hand t experienced
something like rebuke from my Honourable Friend
'near me (Mr. Whitbread), who seemed- to think
that I was going to bring ferwerd a motion which
AVIV, to save Administration freei all respousibilityon
the stable* Now really, sie, a most uttfor-
tunate.outset on my part. I meant to do neither the
One thing nor the Other. And here I must say,, that
although no man living more highly respeeti the pne
litical probity and abilny of my lion. Frietel, as well
as the estimable qualities of In; private chatader,
:yet when he.gets ..up to rebuke toe for doing• that
which appears to me to be my
.duty, I.am free to
coufeise whi:e I applaud Ins judgment-;-his tinder-.
standing.--the deliberation kith tett he decides
on questions of importauee—that if: there be any
one point in hi charatier on which I shook not be
disposed to dwell with the greatest siiteea lien, it
would be his deference to the opinions of others, or
his doubt with rope& to his own. lam placed,
Sir, in this dilenuna—that while my Hon. Friend
accuses me of a disposition to cote Administration,
the Right Hon. aud. Learned Getelernan opposite
suspects me of an intention to du it all the teisehief
in my 'power. Sir, I may be wrong.—l am tar Item
Wishing Ministers to embark in any rash and ro-
mantic enterprise in favoor of Spain; but, Sir, if the
enthusiasm and animation which now 'exist in a
part of pain, should spread over the whole of that
country, I am convinced that since the fast burst.
of the French Revolution, there never existed so
happy an opportunity, and occasion for Great Bri-
tain to strike a bold stroke for the rescue of the
world. But, Sir, it is said, ".ifyou do I)ot.clist'rtiit
the Administration, why discUss this s&- eft In Par-
liambnt 1" Sir,. I will tell you why. lam diapoied
to trust Administratioo. But I wish to demand two
things:'. I wish first to declare, that, in my opinion,.
we must not deal in driblets ; we must do Much
or nothing. Why 'do I make this declaration ?
Because no Cabinet which has hitherto existed in
this country—not evereexceptine- that with which I
had the lemony of- be ittg‘ connected—has pursued
simply and plainly one clear and distit):l objet. In-
mead at striking at the eore.of the evil, the
nistrations of this Contery have htthcrio contented
themselves with nibbltng ..t the ritel. Im tlis cen-
sure, I otust not include an lionuumble Friend

near Me, nor Mr. &rite ; they wouLl have Orelr
'seeded direaly and coMpleteiv to the objett wliic
they had in. view, o they mad not have acIP
vancca to it a st,ep.,..4pt with these exceptions tho
Miniters of England halve pursued a petty po-
liey they •halm gnne„ a!Doe, filching sugar i,lands;
and negletting all that Witi dignified and all that
was consonant to the truly understood in:Crests of
their- country. jr wish therefore, Sir, to IFt Spain
know, that the eondeta which we have pursued
'we will nut persevere in; but that we are
solved fairly and folly to stand up fur the salvation
of Europe. The_ next demand I have to make,
Is, that if a co-operatinn with Silvio be expedient, it
should be an effeanal'co-operation. •I repeat, that I
am far from prompting his Majesty's Government to

engage in any rash romantic enterprise.; but, Sir, it
titian ascertaining the state of the popular Mind iti
Spain; tliey tilki it is warmed by a patriotic and en 7
thusiaAtlC ardour, then" Sir, ail I ask is, that that
feeling should be -mu here with corresponding
etrergy and enthusiasm. Buonaparte has hi!herto
run afl Ost vicioriousi 'tato: Hitherto he has had td

contend against Princes without dignity, and Mkni-

stets without wisdom: lie has fought

tries in whiCh the people were inilitterent as to Ns
success; he has yet tolearn What it is to tight againit
a country in which the peOple are animated with
one spit it to trOst•hiru. So far, Sir, horn bringing
forward a Motionpretuaturely to embarrass his Ma-
jesty's Government, I iulemoly declare, that„ if
t he oppOriunity to .which I have alluded, ot a vigour-
on; interference on the ,pert of England, should
arise, the present Administration shall have from me=
as cordial and as sincere support as if the man
whom I most loved were restored to lite and power ?
Is this a vain discussion ? Let th,lso 141;6 think

so look at the pre4ent btate Will
not the animation of the Spanish mind t.A: excitcti

by the knowledge thaPtheircause is evotHetl, not
by Ministers alooe, but by the Parliament, and
the People of England ? If there be it dish
position in pain' to resent the insults and injuries, -
too enoimous to be des,cribed by language, whtcht
they. have endurod froin the tyrant of the earth, will
not that disposition be, roused to the most sublime --
exertion, by the assurance 'that
.their etfots will be
cordially aided by a great and powerful Nation
Sir, I think this a most important crisis. Never,
was any thing so brave, so generous, so noble, as
the condai of the Asturians. They have mignani

mously avowed their hostility to Pr;tice—they—hava

declared war against 13nonliarte—they, have no re,
treat--they are resolved io conquer, or to perish in
the grave of the honour lind the independence of
their country. It is that the British Uovernment.
may advance to their assistance with a firmer s•vp,

Ind with a bolder ITii.tris; that I have been anxious io

atibrd this opportnnity, to the ,Britisti Parliinneut of
expressing the fee'ling's- ‘Viiich they entertain on the

occasion.

I move, Sir,

That an littunble 'Address •be presented to his
'Majesty, that he will be graciously pleased to dire&
that there be laid belbre thia House, Copies of such
Proclamations as have been received by his Majesty's
Secretary of State-tor Foreign Affairs, and which
have bectuissued since the arrival of the French Ar»
my at \htdrid; whether by the Spanish Govern-

merit, the French Commander in Chief, or by Pt7r.s.
sons xince cluituiiig to att on behalf of the Spanish
Nation."

'Mr. Secretary CANNIZaG replied nearly as follows:
Mr. Speaker—l am disposed to give every credit
to my Right Hon. Friend for his motives in agitating
this bubje.el, and I can assure him, that he is very-
Much mistaken ifs be imagines that it was intended
to check or rebuke him, by any thing that was said
on a recent evening from this side of the House.
At that time, although l bats in possession of my
Right Hon. Friend's Communication, my Right
Hon. Friend near me was not hp. Sir, I could very
easily show. my Right Hood". Friend, that it is. im-
possible to produce the. Papers for which he has
moved ; some, because they have not reached his
Majesty Gevernment in an authenticated form;
°fliers, because they are tot accurately described io
the motion ; and all, because, if we were in posses:.
siott of information winch they contain, it would
'be highly improvident in us at. the present moment,
tci connotthicate that information to the world.
While I suite this, however, Sir, I hope my Right -
lion. Friend' will not misunderstand me so much as
to suppose that I impute to him any blame for this
proceeding,: or that I tuld'ervalne the pledge which
he has given us of his sup pert in any plan of salve
operations which it
,may be deemed advisable to
adopt with respect, to Spain ; the more especially
when it is considered, that iii that pledge may he
implied the support of those persons. with whom
my Right Hon. Friend is accatorned to .rut in
Parliament, and of whose body be is so eminent
and distinguished a Member. Sir, I should have
been. far from charging my Right Hon. Fricod
'with blame, even had he gone so tar a# to chalk oat
to Lie Mitjesty's Ministers the line of cominat that in
his opinion, it would be expedient for them to pur.
sue. From this be has abstained.. Indisposed as I
should have been to censure my Right Honourable
Friend, had be proceeded to that extent, I =mot
but lePl that bus speech,' moderate as it has,been,
calls fur such a general disclosure of the sentiments
of his Majesty's Ministers as may be made without
hazard, without a dtshoneurable ,compromise, and
without exciting expectations which may never be
realiSed. It is therefore, Sir, I declare to the House
and to the Country, that his Majesty's Ministers see
with as deep and lively an interest as my Right Hun.
Friend, the noble struggle. sv,ktictLa part ot the spa-
'Usti Nation is now making to resist the nuexampled
atrocity of France, 'and to preserve the independ-
ence of their Country; and that there -exists the
strongest disposition on the part of the British Go-
vernment to afford every practicable aid in a eontest-
so anagminitnous. In endeavouring to afford this
Sir, it will never occur to us to consider thai a state
of war exists between Spain and Great firitoin.-
: Wp Shel proceed upon the principle, that
tion of Europe that starts up with a deternfination
to oppose a Power which, s bother prote4singio-
Sidious p.:aCe or declaring open war, is the common
enemy wt nations, whatever may be tha existing
pOliticaltrvhtions of that !kitten with Grcaa. Britain,
becomes instantly oar essentiat In, that evail;
his Ma.Hty's Minister- will Wave thre,:, objects irL
view. Thu ,first, to direataheawited ctibriS of the
tiro countries against the,cpinnion foe; the second,
to (fired thos,e efforts in a way which 'shall be most
brigticial tr, i new ; the third, to ducat thettl

• in t Manner conducive to.peculiarly Britithinteretft.
• ‘l.l*Sii, of tho,e chi Cats, the be out oftl,e_
cine•lion as compared withthe TiJe
are the senliments with "Whichhis. Majesty's--Got ern-
ar,.. inspired. To the measures which these
fientiments way digitate, they ciMfidently look for the
tupport of Parliament arid of the Country. It can-
not, Sir,lie exrc-te.l.that I shtuld say whether Vver
thtiik he-crisrs.arriv ed, (ft wheth.er we anticipate its
speedy ap;4liach, Nk bt n the sentimentT which I -have
Oe'zieribed must. he called into action. It is sufficient
ti2nt I have st.lted what we reel, arid what,.te intend.
For the reasons, Sir; which I ltaVe before-mentioned,
I am compelled tO,dissent from my Right Hon.
I.i•riend's
_ Mr. PoNsoNnv perfeCtly agreed with the. Right
Hon. Gentletuan wlio had just sat down, that it was
itniro,sibie to agree to !he motion of his Right Hon.
• Friend. he nor any of his Friends could
devoii of common sense `as to suppose that his
Illai}?sly `s I,llinisters could entertain any idea that
.Power 'Which was essentially the enemy of
France; was not essentiallretigaged in promoting
the cause or this'country, BLit'. he coul.l not-agree
to any :!I.,cl,,sute at. present. What use could driSe-
frota bringin; torivard this question, except to skew
tho,e at 6114. sentiments; which all who knew his
Ho 9. Friend N ere satisfied he possessed.-.--
Hr' w could the Members of that House advise his
M'e„isiers upon a sohje('.t upon which they.
• Lai nu inrortmitlon ? It wars t-t. them to apply the
means of the country in t,he manner .brit suited `to'
the occasion and exi•-;,pcies. They had the whole of
the pnhlic force at their disposal, and might employ-
it,eit her in part or in the whole. for the assistance
of Spain. He was ready
_to give his consent to the •
Vote of Credit whioll'Ainistis.- were to call
I3Ut when they hal the force,of ihe country at their
4pcktl, and the Vote Of Crein, be was not prepared
to give more. It was not his intention, as had been
stated by his,Right Hun. Friend (Mr. Sheridan), to
staid by dogging the measures of 44.1mustration,
and watching an opportunity' for condeinning
But lie was at the same time not rash enough to
• aM ise what course they ought to pursue, becuitise
such advice could not be given without full informa-
tjo9 upon, all the circumstances Of the ease. • '
Nlr. WHITBL'&.“), as his Right Hon.. Friend had
bestowed a part of his exurdiuin upon him,.felt him-
4elf called upon to sara few words;. and indeed he
was •pensuaded that• his Right Hon. •Frie4d (Mr.
Sheridan) would be disappo.inted ifhe were not to

say something on the prescnt occasion. His Right:
Friend misunderstood, him, when he supposed
him unfriendly to bringing furwr.ard this Motion, on
the groundlliat it would diminish the responsibility
of his MajeSty'sMinisters. •fei would, I:o47ever, ha,e
been giad, it his Right lion. Friend had not ,made
his.sktiuri. Ills fUght ion. FrLnd had alluded. to
the pertinacity with which he'had adhered to his opi-
niOns, and certainly it would' be inconsistent with

that probity for which jets Itzlit Hon. Friend gave
him credit, if he could be capable of abandoning any
dpiniuu which he conscientiously believed to be
correct. Mae had been but two instances its
which this pertinacity had'been he n b 4 hint.; and
in One he had the vote of his Right Honourable
Vriend in, his fa% our, whilst on the other, he
lion not presied for .a vote. It' would be in-
Consistent with the whole tenor of— his` public
c °ticket, if he were now td grant that con-.
4 ildence to his. Majesty's i'vlittisters, which he had
unitoriWy hitherto refused to all their,measures since
they hal come into office. The present Case was
of a most important nature, and upon this he was
obliged cot. ::e.2 in those whom his. Majesty may
think"proper •to appoint his Ministers. When he
reflected how great a master, his Right Hon. nicht!
wan of the passions of toankinii,- he had feared the
effeet that might he pioi..l,ticed by'his motion. But
he would ask, whether ins eontideoce wtis not more
cotoaitutional than that ei iiis Hon/Friend,.
who orought .forward a I'lito.ioti which he did not
mean to press to a vote, and thereby gate the Right
lion. Gentleman .an oppurtimity of expressiOg his
opintottr; upon measures Upon which no decision-
codid take place, and which the'osupport of Par-
liastnetit .eras to be tints indirettly pledged. They
• had nOt heard from the Right *Hen. Gentlernab op-
poaito (Mr. Secretary Canning), whpther jhere was
any prObabdity of these measures leading
.to the
ckstruOlon of arty but the parties engaged in I hens.
He war: 'sorry that the subject had been mentioned,
but he "thought the Right Hon. Gentleman went too
far, when he.sUpposed that the support of his Right
Hon; Friend Woofdinsure the support of alt thpGen'-,
tletnenon that side It Ministers were anxious for a
Vote upon t fle subject, or waited money, they shciuld
have came doA ti to the House, 'and asked fur it them-
sek es. " The Right Honourable Gentlrman had
ail tilted an expression which 1:4 been too often
. used on former occasions,. when he represented this
as a contest againftt the common enemy of mankind.
All he should say on this head was, would to God_i
that we could ,come 'into this content with clean
..1111.1s; that we could embark in it, without being
liable to the charge that we ourselves had been the
Oppressors' of that very country: The Right Hon.
Gecicletnati had said, that in the first instance all ob-
jects should be lett out but Spanish objects. /t was
lsii op,nioa howeVer, that first and last, no objeCts
should •be consulted but those,purely. 'Spanish, and
was theretisre sorry to learn by the speech of the
iti4it Honourable Secretary,..that.BrittSh interests
'were' in any emit' to mix themstlvcs with the pro-
-seeutiOn ail ttnS;cOntest. - He was ready to give his
cordial cOnsetit to the Vote of Crccit, The Right
"onotitirbi GFI erilletnatt•lLA said that it waS ithpossi-
boto comply •.with the motion; and, upon 'this. he
was sure; the opinion or sense' of the House. was
, •
noinimous.

Mr. Secretary Ciski.i I t 3 rose to 'explain a tniscen-
ovion wniCh the •lion. (;curlemair scemcd to6lcel,
to bat he had seated respecting the objtiCls to be
inmet:uted iti this Contest. Ho had mecitioneci
tiily.objeats.oli that for pin-pose only of
thOrn as• fitly piirt of the considerations
w hien influenced. his „ Nfajesty Os. uyernment. Iu

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thig'contest in which Sp:iin was embarixd, no in-
terest could so pnrely 13ritisli Flt Spanish,success;
.JlO conquest ho adsttint.igeous for.. Great pritain, as
cowiuering from France .the complete integrity of
the-'o.6Mimonts of in every quarter of the
wo; •
Alr. WHITBREAD was &ad that be had given the