The Sun.
London, England, 1837-03-11 00:00:00

They must all be perfectly aware that the succession to the
Crown of Austria was derived through a female, Johanna,
who was mad, and that the Bourbons also came to the Throne
of Spain through the female line. Philip of Anjou it was by
whom the Salique Law was first established. He consulted the
Cortes, or rather wrote to the members of it on the subject,
and having got their replies he burned them, and then declared
that the majority were favourable to the proposition which he
wished to have adirmed.—( Hear, and laughter.) :as the let-
ters were destroyed it was impossible to prove the truth or
falsehood of the matter ; and this was the origin of the Salique
law—that law under which Don Carlos now claimed. His
title, however, had been repudiated in 1789 ; again, in 1812,
at Cadiz ; and finally by the decision of the Cortes during the
last year of Ferdinand's life. The fact was, he had no title in
point of law to the Throne ; and yet, under this pretext, mas-
sacres took place and blood was spilled. But, allowing that
Don Carlos had the right to which he pretended, would lie not,
if he were the religious man he would have it believed he was,
long since have abandoned it rather than incur the horrors of
civil war. He (Mr. Connell) disclaimed any connection be-
tween Don Carlos and Catholicism, because he did not be-
lieve an Christian man would have acted as lie had done.
If the golden stalls of Durham, as they were called, were to
be dealt with as the canonages of Seville had been, what
would be said ? Why, that great injustice was done, that the
Prebends of Durham could not live. He was happy to say
that a strong feeling existed even in Rome as to the necessity
of dissevering the Church from the State—( Near)—but, as
regarded Don Carlos, he could not consider him a Christian
who allowed such enormities to be committed.
Lord SANDON said that the Hon. and Learned Member
for Kilkenny had been lavish of his bounty, but had altogether
forgotten that there was a country not far from this where, by
l his means', the Clergy were reduced to a state of absolute mi-
sery—( Cheers)—where they were compelled to subsist on the
potatoes of their own gardens. Let the Hon. and Learned
Member not taunt those on that side of the House with in-
humanity—with supporting the atrocities which he laid at
the door of one of the belligerents in Spain. As many
atrocities had been committed by the party of Queen Isabella,
as by all the party of Doe Carlos, and, therefore, the taunt of
the Hon. and Learned Member was wholly undeserved.—
(Cheers.) He (Lord Sandon) was no party man of either
Don Carlos or Queen Isabella, neither did he think the in-
terest of either was the compass by which they were to steer.
He only considered the interests of his own country. The
1-lon. and Learned Member, whose humanity seemed to have
taken the alarm, talked of nothing but atrocities and blood ;
but these were expressions with which he was familiar.—
(" Oh, oh," and cries of " Hear, hear.") He repeated that
blood and murder were words familiar to the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman ; but when he talked of Spain, did he not recol-
lect the unhappy condition to which his own country was re-
duced ? Did he forget the death's head and cross bones ? The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman might not have encouraged
atrocities, but certainly he had used language calculated to
produce such a result. He would not go further into the
question than to say, that he deprecated the policy of the Go-
vernment in allowing English soldiers to be exposed to the
horrors and atrocities which existed in Spain.
Mr. O'CONNELL, in explanation, said that the Noble
Lord had thrown back the taunt in an aristocratic way, but it
was clear he did not understand the matter.—( Hear, hear.)
The Noble Lord, and the party with whom he was con-
nected, had prevented the settlement of the question, and
yet he turned round and charged him with having attri-
buted the commission of the atrocities in Spain to Don Carlos
and not to the Christinos. This might be very aristocratic,
but unfortunately it was not true--( Dear, hear)—for he had
condemned both parties, whether Carlists or Christinos, alike.
The Noble Lord had exhibited a heat which good sense ought
to have induced him to avoid.--( Hear, hear.)
Lord SANDON admitted that the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber had condemned both sides, but while ho censured his
( Lord Sandon's) Hon. Friend for praising the one he had not
said one word against his Majesty's Ministers, by whom the
other was supported.—( Cheers.)
Mr. VILLIERS said that the Hon. Member for Sandwich
had not succeeded in disproving a single statement contained
in the pamphlet to which he had referred. When the Carlists
were flagging motions of this kind were brought forward, with
a view to keep them in hope that if the Hon. Gentlemen op-
posite returned to power, they would receive assistance from
them. With respect to the Inquisition
Lord MAHON—The Inquisition never did exist by law.
Mr. VILLIERS—No, but it existed by evading the law.
Here the debate ended, and the Chairman put the resolu-
tion from the chair.

Lord D. STUART objected to their voting public money
at such an hour of the night.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The re-
solution must be agreed to.
Lord D. STUART—The Right Hon. Gentleman says
" must," but I, as an independent Member of Parliament, will
not consent to vote such a sum of public money at such an hour
as half past one o'clock.
Mr. C. WOOD hoped the Committee would agree to the
♦ote, as otherwise it would be impossible to pay either soldiers
or sailors.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
unless the vote were agreed to they would not be able to pass
the Bill of Ways and Means before the holidays, and if that
Bill were not passed the Government would not have the
moans of paying either sailor or soldier.
Mr. HUM E—Have you not a vote to carry you down to
the sth of April ?

Mr. C. WOOD replied that the Bill of Ways and Means
must be passed before then, and if it was not, the consequence
would be, as he had stated, that neither sailors nor soldiers
could be paid. It was, therefore, indispensable that the Bill
should pass before the holidays.
Mr. HUME said in that case he would raise no objection.
He thought, however, that some reason should have been
stated for keeping up the increased establishment of last year.
The vote was then put by Mr. BERNAL.
Lord D. STUART protested against being called on to
pass such a vote at so late an hour.
After a short conversation, it was agreed that, for the ac-
commodation of Government, a general vote of 2,000,0001.
should be taken for the current expenses of the year, in order
to enable the Ways and Means 13111 to be passed before Easter,

MANOR COURTS (IRELAND).
On the motion of Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL, the follow-
ing Committee were appointed to inquire into the operation
of the Small Debt Jurisdiction of Manor Courts in Ireland,
the abuses which may exist therein, and the remedies proper
to be applied :—Mr. Morgan John O'Connell, the Attorney_
General for Ireland, Mr. Lynch, Mr. French, Mr. Emerson
Tennent, Mr. Wyse, Mr. Jephson, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Lucas,
Mr. Villiers Stuart, Mr. Vesey, Sir Edmond Hayes, Mr.
Mackinnon, Mr. Brady, Mr. Bridgeman.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and at
a quarter to two o'clock the House adjourned, to this day,
when the Speaker will take tha Chair at a quarter before four.