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.troubletythee'eposeief the Norte of r urepe I. .:At, Minisfe(eSeaed with regard to Zealend ? .1 9
---..-'ey stated ,but moreatavece even than that Roman virtue which
:. this time actfilege meltmeltplaee in the Russian Mini- the necesaity of anticipating the views of &Leo as , esh knew had its admirers on theopposite bench. Hit
nistrationGerleral Badherg gave up the par:fele/IWe the juStilkation of their conduct. They 114 at- I majesty's
.eranisten were called to account—not for
,of the':l4'Oreigra:Mairs 'ia..Count Soltyketf. In the. tackett-Dentnark c!hecause France entertained three
first interview that our Ambassador had with Count projeaein
s :—the first, of shutting the Sound I .swet on- an • accusation of success; to explain, the
Soltykoff, he- complained to him allot haVing re- !. Great Britain— m
Britain---the second, of excluding her anu- ! disaster and disgrace :—they had been called to an-
' elements, and justify the Motives of an eminent ser-
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any coq munication of .the Secret Artie; es of :, tea uree teens/the geed tient—seed the third, of taking ! vice successfully ,performed. Whatever might be.
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the• Treaty of Tilsit, Then in aiDispaia„
.0(0 St, j;possession of• the Danish' Fleet. NrOv7; Unless Us the of the House,, he for one' should alWays:
Petersburgh, Oariber 1, Lord 'Gower states_; that he' 1-Majesty's Ministers bactrefleced the power feel the highest satisfy .hi having
of Den- • t becii so ac-
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, had cornmuoicated to Count rihtnan7,oti'.a Copy of 1 mark so low, that she, was not able to. assist France,
cased. It was also a source of peculiar gratification
the apitulation of Copenhagen,, by a , Ithey had secured to France theattainment Of two of ! that no imputation could. rest on those Gentlemen' .
'short Nete ,(which-Note bad not been. laid. on the i her, owas ; for. certainly; efter our entering Zea- I
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. by whom- his motion was brought forward, of . .
table of the •Hoese). .In this Dispetch. the Noble land,• Denmark wield shut the Sound, and exclude , being aauated. by
hpen the su arty feelings, - as had .SOtne,
Lord _says, that." he thought it necessary to let the our mattufaaures fromehat part of the Continent. ;times happened,
' Russian Ministry cleerly.understand, that his ialajesty ! BY what Ministers se
s had done, they had provoked. ' ministration had been left in possioe of a glory,
• i was not to be frighteoed ,ont of the
,pursuit cif hostility without deprivingef the power of revenge. : wccessors of an Ad,
which' they had dilanidated, He Vr':ls not aware
. such .measures as lie 'might judge expedieot .for I- If our army had been able to beat the
,Dairen, as
'Asserted the other evening by a Noble Lard, might - that anv ay eihus feelings of comparisthe -could bead
the security Of
.his. Empire,. by . any indirect me-instigated the present motion--ewheie nothing had •
race` or intimatioh
.of the displeesure, efeee Em' we not have kept Zealand ?
.With the assistance of
i 'been done* by,one set of men, it .waS ihapessible to
' peror of Russia." ' '(All dna :while : not one • word i Sweden, add of our own' reinforcements, what . compard-Abete eetiOns with .what had been done by
is said of the condua of.- Russia,. with respe& to chance would France and Denmark, united, have another:. There wee 'another feature in'this transaa-
Denthark.) In :reply, Count Reinatizow observed, had, to get back this important possession ?- To fees honourable to the 'character of the House; they
" That neither he nor the Danish Minister, had re- . abandon it was the height of weakness. But even'.l
, were not then debating how to ward.otrimpent:liag
ceived any. accounts from •Kiel•aince the capture of if we had not kept Zealand, could we not have
' danger i, but, • in. comparative security, were din' ass'
that the limper .ir, therefore, being as • dismantled the. arsenal and destroyed the docks ? leg by. what 'thnde: that security could be continued.
yet unacquainted 'with , the ithhithents or views of . Ceuld we not . have ' blown up the Crown Bat- I According to the sentiments of the Gentlemen oppo-
the Prince Royal of Denmark aince,that event, hatuo teries of Cronihberg Castle, and secure to•ourselvea site,ethe restoration ofthe Danish Fleet would be the
rally waited for the: mum ;
aecation of- :them before the quiet 'seamless of the Sound? Why so shabby en
, best mode of contitming-that security ; for, certainly,
his Imperial Majesty could make up his own opinion our iniquinee? • When we imitated the atrocities of aif it were decided, that the taking of :them was
'upon the question." Containt Romanzow. then asked the Ruler of France, why not imitate the grandeua I unjust, the justice, of :retaining. theni could 110 t 't '
his Lordship, •" 'Whe'ilter it was the, intention'of and Ms designs ? Would Buonaparte,
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i possibly be asserted. The House iirtiuld. -not blame
his
Majesty's
Goverre-nees to restore the Shi to ' uhdee similar circumstances, have given:en Zealand ? i the spoilers and yet ke4 the spoil. 'Though 10
the King of Deem aek, in the case Of Peace king The condua of Ministers showed how` weak it Was ;
could not agree. with the Right Hon. Gentleman at
concluded 'with Faence?" To which Lord Gower to do ill by hakes. If it waS necessary to attack I his conclusion; he agteed•With him in his iiremiscs,
answered, •that 4.,, • the 'possession of the Dasisls Denmark at all, then it was their duty to render her ! that if injusticehad been done, it should be not only
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Fleet had been 6tained by force, and. not by Ince as inefficient is possible. The Same motives that ! marked but repaired. ' The Right Hon: Geotleuve
tiation." In .'one of the dispatches from • Lord justified the one, would justify the other. He pre- ; had fairly stated, that the disposition of Delman.. -
Gowera data the ed of September, our Minister wiped •it was' not
.want of will in the Right Hon. !
and Russia, and the means of France, constirtead
expresses ktisfaaion in finding that " a coesifer- • Geritlemen oppeeite, but -the want of knowledge. I
the question hefore the House. He had admitted
able change had taken place in thi on and fersper He trusted at least that they would not talk of sets- i' the designS of France without any other, evidence
of Gtreerae BUdberg's conversation."—He had be- Pfes' or morality, or law 3. theSe were considers- ' than thaeconteined in his Majesty's Speech. .With
Come " mild and conciliating,"—he had expreised tions fit' only for fools and .philesophers, , not for respect toe the disposition of Denmark, -he beg- •
a 'fareat 'anxiety to remove ever difficulty. in the statesmen. Would they venture to contend, that it -
ged the Right Hon. Gentleman to recollect, at th,e.:
wty of a 'perfe6tly good understanding . between ' was do disadvantage to 'Great Britain to have the 1 outset, that it was not mainteined by his Majesty s
, the. two • conntriesa". and in a subsequent, din. Sound shut against her commerce, &c. ;—to ave i Ministers; that wilfully, knowingly, and of choice,
1 patch Lord Gower declares his surprise .:to ,have: Zealand created, what it certainly would b ,
.1 i Denmark had been desirous of war with Great Bet .
received on the following morning a. note from' strong - depository, of force against her arms ?"---• ,tain rather than. of peace. This had neither beet)
, Gepetal Budberge expressive' of the Emperor'sasto- Having begun the work of destruction, they neglect-'i :maintained, nor. was it necessary to be so.' A Right
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nishmerit 'at the information he had received fr,lns ' ed their duty by net completing it. Let. them• not HenoUrible Friend of his, On the opposite side of
• his Mipiater at Copenhagen, 'of the propositions' 'say that he gave counsel so atrocious, so mon- the House (Mr.' Sheaidati) had said, -on a litre even-`
Made by Aln Jackson 'to that :Ctiurt ;—propositionis ' serous, that their delicacy and ' sensibility would } in, that a case -of ~,,,,akne„ on ta, part of Deis
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which be 'teams " as derogatory to, as incomeatible
I • t... not allow them to accept it. They heti .all.-cea- i -mark, and of a determination. to avail herself ot-
‘veuld alone
„ ed to look with great anxiety to the next aprinee..l ,
with, the dignity Of every iodependent Power.ea that weakness, on 'the part of France,
The fag waq; that Oben Lord Gower had an inter-' and 'had congratulated themselves that by the set, • be a justification of the conduet of:the Biltish.
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view with General Budberg,' the Emperor was,.at zure -of the Danish (leer, that anxiety was relieved. ;- vernment: Though he did 'not =
enpere to Deunenie
Gatschina, where he had been for several days. On But what would they do in all succeeding: springs ? 1
'a disposition'to go,to avariwith this CountrYS he_pree-4
his reterna' the Russian Ministers did certainly eons— Were ;they disposed
.te put Irelaed'in a state of
', tested against the advantage which was taken 0,tt.111,
greater contentment than that in which she was, at : admission, aliien,it was asserted, that •we liatipad
manic rte, to' tier Ambassador a note• not of a very
present ? If .not, why leave Denmark so touch, . the e and that we had forfeitedu
friendly tenor. There: were two or three other most hearts of the Danes,
Material 'Oragrephs in 'these dispatches, which, he hewer ? Having alienated Denmark from Britain, them: He ,did.eiot like talking of national dialikes„ bd.t.
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should notice. The case which his:Majeste's Mi- I.
+ranee will construct in Copenhegen fleets much such en observation evinced a mo,t complete blireo_
faster, better, and cheaper, than in any other port tress to the fag, which was, that from the mome.nt :
inatera wished temakeoot was, that Russia laid been
all this while secretly instigating Denmark to join the of Europe. His Majesty's.MinistetS 44' exhress- the Armed Neuffallty,''in I 7 8 0;' there hael been,. ,
confederacy against us ; and yet .on the 4th of No- ed - great solicitude for. Sweden. ' A ........ Subsidiary feeling towards this country on :Impart Of Deninor ,
Treaty with Sweden was soon-to be laid on'the table not of dire& hostility, but Certainly not of eery col-I •
vember, his Majesty's Ministei at St. Petersburgh,
afterdetailingthedifficelties which he had experienced of the House., France. had,long been the enemy of . dial friendship, Every body knew what had heear
in
,obtaining au interview with Count.Romanzosse Sweden; Russia probably hateheateMe so. Denmark the, condua of Denmark at the end of two forme
say a,`tha t" he had been informed that someaMembee; was rendered the Ally of Fiance, and thus by , waxs. In inciting the Armed, ntutralityni 1780, Dena , .
a tilt; oOviiioil, witrilittd-beo ' water:id Id tit. Fit' '
e. refraining from dismantling , Zealand, Sweden mark had been.an naive agent ; ael at the endof '
sent very critical state, of affairs, had advisedatite was exposed to the greatest daral-er. All 'these SG
o, SvO. but a few months• after Denmark bed dealJt"-
Emperor not to rejea the present opportunity. of t*.. considerations pressed with the, greatest urgency ed , her abandonment of the "principles on whielethe
establishifig the tranquillity of the North of Europe for the fullest inforinatiop on the subject. ' There amecepeutrelity was formed, she again entered into
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and that their opinion had been adopted." So then,- did not appear , the slightest, pstification .of the a league confederated agaiese.Great Breen). Poi
down to . the 4th of November, the EMperor of conduct of Ministers. With regard to Dentukk. this testify the good intentions* of Denmark ?. Or,
Russia entertained this favourable disosition to If they could justify theMseiees for the acts that on the other hand, did 'it testify her means of re-
wards England i • In the 'next dispatch, inclosing They had ceminltted, then' they could not justify i seeing the; intlueuie of superior : Powers ? Let •
the ' Russian Declaration, Lerd Gewer ebserves, themeelves for the aets that they had not constuitted. which ever pai-t of the-alternative the House chose
,that General &wary and the other Members In commencing the war, in carrying on, the war, in : be' edohted, he would not , hesitate to say, that,
•of ' the' French Mission, " boasted that they had the mode. of seeking for peace, .in all, his; thought ~ an an
y Government -would be lost to a dire tense °'
-gained e 'eomplete trithiep,h, and had carried .not only them completely wrong, , and on all, he demanded . the interests of the Country, it, with a recollece
this aa of bestility.egeinst Englande but also every the littlest information.' Above all, ,he trusted ' tion of former occurrences, they •had not looked -
other point essential to the success of Buonaparte's that he should never hear such transaaions as with vigilance and 'euspicion to see hose. Denmark
views." , What ! had they been-labouring from the the Expedition to Copenhagen justified on the would conduct hersellat a period of 'so much greater
conclusion of the Treaty of Tilsit doWn to the be- ground that statesmen add nations were absolved , dangee to Great. Britain. Was it ',Poi probable, •
ginning
.orNovember, before they could succeed in. from any observance of the laws, of morality. 0
en that a league of much more force, and 'knit with
carrying these -" points so essential to the:success of what principle- were 'they so absolved 1 Did. not ' much, greater vigour than any preceding 00e.
Buonapertea views," and is that 'condua. of Russia the same Divine Providence which watched the con- would be farmed against this Countty i Was it •
, to be assigned as a reason for our breaking in open a . duct of individuals, watch also that of States?'.. not probable, from the experience of the' past, that ,
neutral and robbing her of her fleet.! in no Was that Providence observant of .us Only. as Dennrirk would. -be induced by inclination' or
:period of the history of'any Country could a similar individuals-? Did not this Country, at the pre- •' 'compelled- by force to join the league 1- ' The fa-
transa&idu be found. But suppose lie were to cone sent moment, afford a, striking proof of the vourit' proje& ofsßuonaparte, 'since he had desisted
cede in argument 'that w,hich was completely con- reverse in her relative siteatioe to aanserice,? • front his tali-eat-of immediate Invasion, was to clog.
„tradiaed by 'the dispatches on the table, that ifilgtti.a When,' depas Ong .from those principles. of liberty stray
our commerce, and to Coned a naval fore'd
had' been 'active •in forming a Confederacy against , and independenaa.whieh we -ought to have cherish- Which should hew down the Navy of Great 'Britain.
Great Britain;' was there ' the smallest proof' that ed, we taxed America unrepresented, what followed Not a treaty did he conclude iu which the exchksion '.
Rentoark 'would have been disposed to join •it ? The loss of Atnerice !, By- the interference of France of British merchandise and shipping did not •foten 3
And what means had Russia -to compel
,her ? • She for her own aggrandisement, that
.loas was accelee i
aeading article In terms too plaits to be mistaken,
could mot • marele.en army down' the Beltit„ and . rated. Could :Ply thing be more evident than the .he had avowed intention to bring every Power
what fleet had she to oppose against the- united interposition of •I eovideece in the present state Of of the Continent to bear 'upon Great Britain.--"fleets of England, Denmark, and' Sweden I The the, royal race of the llourbees, seeking as exiles. Was there any thin gin the situation of An'tmrt
power of proteCtipg theneutrelity of 'Denmark was - for protection in that very country Which they had -which rendered 'it probeble 'that she wassoutof big
all.ne the 'side of England, not on Ftance. Was i pro- - contributed to injure ) Were there no other in- • view in- this avowal ? 'To -all these' presuMptiOn' .
bable. that' Deinuark would have sacrificed. her .Eitat stances of the superintendence of 'Ptovidence over - that Right Hon. Gentlentiin had though( it nut dent
and
,We: t India possessions, • her ' own Islands, and Nations as well as over: individuals ? Let the House to ansseer, that Denmark' had 'pr tl
.epared g3i,ils`
' Norway; hecauseFrance might have threatened her' contemplate' the consequence of the petition of, e anyatteMpt, on the part of Prance, to contretd tier,
with the loss of Jatlandattid Holatein.? He defied Poland. After having shuddered 'with horror at Cotadtal b ' i -I.' ' • •i- . 1'• ' ' Hctistotl'.
t. ). s a toning.a nu eery- orce. in e..
'the 'Right Hon: 'Secretary to shew
.on,. the-table, one' the monstrous Wickedness which.setthree,coontriese ; What was the history of that force' ? The grate'
'syllable of evidence, that Denmark entertained such - without cause of. complaint, to divide' anti destroy : e„„e,er 'to which Denmark, (t'as exieisedito Frage
an intention. 'He had shaped other Resolutions for another, and rdb her of the very name of a nation ;!
1 W:11 in 1803ewhon France occupied'Hanoverwith 3
the pUrpti4e of :inquiring what had been the, con- let them look at the present state of those countries brae force.. 'Then not- a man was in Holstein be.'
dna of his 'Majesty's Ministers' with respect to Het them look at :Prussia, nearly. destroyeti,''and, , , 1 ..:a.
lu'"` the 11'1:4ce '''n-risott. 'ln this-state the- boasted
Depmaik herself; and •:whether, having determined despoiled of those very provinces of ,:which 'she ' cordon `'of • 1-161;ein.teinaitied ;till.; the' period. that
to persee -it course hostile to• her interests, they had robbed Polend-7let them look ee Austria and
coati-
. France seeaneddisposed to molest Denniark..,•4-.NO-'
persued a Coat'se advantageous to. ours. He had ask- set, trembling for the part Ort hat unthrtunate coati- till the army of7Enalend and Sweden were in force
ed furalle instructions to Mr, Jackson' on this sub• try which had tellers to their shard, and submissively i„ Heiiiver j then, and.not 'till. then, the -Danes '
reel, which were not refused e but he had also asked crouching to Buonapilete, lest he should treat them creased--theit military power in Holstein. He must
as lie had already IF for the- chttespondeitee between Mr. Jackson and treated their iniqehous coadjutor.
~ be • : - e l 1 1 a • seem flips
He:concluded by moving— ' an tit orguer, ay. to eou t c ednee I
i. the Government of. Denmark, which was denied • •circurnstance that England bad, been the objea
him. He 'had asked fee ,these conimunications,
_., yhattlainthiumblelAddress be. presented to His Majesty; of the aytispathy ' of. Depesark, and 'France of her
because
.he wished to knew whether they bad been .1
Eat bealaidleta‘eTomredtlibeetigoruasctisill eulbaatsatilcet"anllv(f tdirec-.
t apprehension. Alter the battle of jene, the territory
,;of a 'nature calculated to prevent a continuance .of all information transmitted by .1-lia'Majesty's Ministersaatts.t'lL:e .of Denmark hadilee' a violated' l' 't - I 'clench"
)v a +relic i .
hos- tility, or to procure" a restoration 'of peace.— Court of Copenhagen, during the last year, res Peeling the meat in pursuitf Prussian' •.•
• ' . slight kir*
-ti a col p.,,, anti a b
Naval Force of Denmark ; and 'particularly
'He had beets informed, ' that instead 'of making reseeding any • . i •' • - • - --'• I' It a
a. ~ measures that had been taken for augmenting the cline, lot Misn took lace with the Danish troos, in w ilq
any proposal consistent with the honour and dig- putting it' in a state of better preparation, or for eotiedina Danish General I,V3i talker) - d • " 'ed to the head' •
, an erupt +e e
nitv of the 'Danish Crown,. no proposal:had been SPlllell to man the strips.'' .
quarters of the Feeneta General, wheee io place 0'
tnitdoby the British Goeeenment, in 1,,v14•13 the 'colt , 116.84eretory CANNING said, that the. moment 'being treated .. lfd- ' ' 6 '. -• dill°
eee aet es taunt:teet° eexeeete

tinned possession of the Danish fleet did not intni a
part. Why' be at the 'expellee of sending Soccial
IVissions to Copenhagen, when it was determined
to adhere to tet:lng so odious and so inadmissible on
the part of Denmarkl He had been told that it was
proposed to Denmark, that her fleet, in whatsoever
condition it might be at the titue, shonld be re-
stored to her ; not on the Conclusion of a Definitive
Treaty 'of- Peace with France, but three years after
the coneltvion of such a Treaty ! A proposal that
Could have been tuadr only l'or the purpose of histlit.„
ing the Danish Court, How had hip Majesty's

was at length arrived when the Gentlemen oppositqi
so peculiarly qualified by their own splendid achieve,
merits to inquire into the condaA of their speoes,
sors, had, by a worthy selealon of the Right Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down, put his Majesty's
Ministers on their trial tir that which' until,quesr
tioned by them, bad been considered as the salvation
Of the country. In the greatness of his apprehension
lest moral impressions should be etlaced froM
the iiiinds of the liquse, the Right Hon. Gentleman
had taken a course which afforded a brilliant exam-
ple of morality, not only out of the onlinary track,

an Oifieer an Friend', y POwer, he niet with no Y
flattering reception; at id was sent back ;after his hero
had been stolen, -an( i his pockets 'pick:Nl, under
every sp...icies of injtiry. which * liceotions soldiery
could -inflict.. This ha It been done whilst the Danish
army bolleded to eo.,'er the neutrality of Holstein/
was stationed
inthe r iei hbourhood; Was this evelt
followed by the adv ance of that army ? No such
g
thing; ;Jae insult wirs immediately soLa:ceLled by ti,!
retrea! cif the Datil; h army ; and thi!!, cirburnstat?c°
produb44' a rernonsb;anee, on the part of the Brit"
Government, again, it the condo eI Of the Danish Oci"