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that the great measure of Slave Emancipation in the West
`vet erjoeed, the confilence of the pertpla, end' sai-11--5-
Indies would not produce all the- beneficial consequences
deed would be the attempt in the district most thietly
which were anticipated from it, unless means acre adopted sown with 'Whigs---(Latighter)—no revive the seaelto'ss
by the Legislatures of these C.,lonics to apply the important
cry. " the Bill, the is bole Bill, and nothing bet:theetildt"
principle to the affording of a regular and continuous sup- Proposels had been made for an extension of the stiffr. 'ge'
ply of labour. But it was a different question whether the but they all Partook of the same • injustice of p.ineltd'e -8'
principle should be adopted by the floute. It WAS impos- the Reform 811 itself, and could only, therefore, serve a'
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Bible to pass the first resolution unless it was determined to stepping stones to that which must at no distant. period h'-'
carry it imm7dietely into r ithet. With resit ct to the sue- procured—Universal Suffrage. His obit etioii to Uniterf'd
ending ones, even some of the Hon. Members who had Suff. ar Wal, that it would give to the numericel maj rs'Y
supported them h rd admitted that they were cot withtiut
of the nation exclusive- representation, and, therefore,
preponderating power. Now he believed that such Jrr-
her would apply them to all the British Colonies—even tovery great objections. These resolutions were far too
absolute and general, and it appeared that the Hon. Alem•
ponderaring power could not safely he vested in any ales`,
and -could not justly be pnssested ley any class, mei. could
the North American Colonies, which bad now arrived at it be exereited without danger ye the rest of the Commit'
very contiderehle population, wealth, and importance, and Mr. SHA W suggested that Australia wanted as much nits, especially when the party using it had the phts'-eal
that hal Legislatures of ther own. with which they would as arty other thine, a steam post communication• powers of the State, and were therefore irresistible. When
very. ntuch :nterfere by the adoption of these rescliviorm. Mr. J. O'BRIEN said the the whole question had been the petition was brought to him by some members of that
The Han. Member had stated, and stated-truly, that very exhausted, and he would net detain them lo.tger then by association which caked itself the National convention
great abuses had formerly existed in these colonies. lie stating in contredictioe to the Noble Lord that the 10,000 of the Working. Classes, he explained to them clearly the
entirely agreed in these observations, ' but he could not who where wanted might be supplied from that district in views he entertaieed, and he stated to them, r.s was hits
admit that they were exclusively to he
attributed to the fraud with which he was connected, There was no duty, fully, freely, and fairly, the objections he entertaine"
Governors of these colonies in these day's. fie believed that M •mber who felt a deeper interest in the question than he against the present tttloverriment. But although in the
a great part of their errors arose, not so much fom corrupt did--( flea-)
inuel sense of the word he ditapproyed of Universal Sur' motives as from honest and real mistakes as ts the policy to Mr. DARBY thought it would be impossible far the fraget there was nn man who could approve more strongly
be pursued—mittakes in vs hieh the Legislature Wits quite as House to aeree to these resolutions. than hiineelf—there was no man who would support mere
much to blame as the Governing of those .celonies. It had Mr. WA RD replied. He trusted that a different zealously titan himself, the right of the labouring
always been a popular notion, that there could not he too feeling would be evinced when the question should be classes ofthet coulitry, retut of every other class °f
much facility efforded for the purchase of land in Canada Again brought forward, and that Government would then the community to be fully represented; a full represrnta-
and the North American colonies. . But it was not pert deal with it as its importance required. The lionoutable tion, however, did not mean an exclusive representati°Th
calved that these facilities tended to throw large tracts of Member concluded by withdrawing his resolutions. '
- but such a representation as would be possessed by that
land into the hands of .a few individuals. Great care had Captain PECH E LI, then rose to call the attention of' class in common with meow other class of the cominueitYh
been taken t , prevent any eraats of land except to actual • the House to the operation of the Act.of last Session - for There was, as it appeared m, one principle on tvhiwe"
settlers. Provisions for that purpose had been 1-id down, granting certain bounties on tonnage of vessels condemned it was just and reasonable'toto preceehi d, tlet tof representing'
but it was found practically imp •ssible to carry them out. under the late treaty with Spain. not exclusi, in at each class ld ave
He believed, however, that the sounder princ An HON.eile weuldHON. MEMBER moved that the House be counted, is separate
rtelyepresehutntativ cle,asses—th and then each classshou wohldh bet
be to give the land to any one who was willing to pay for end there being only 23 membets present, the Hettse ad- as it ought to be, fully represented, and no darirre'r what-
it.
,onwti
anti let them deal with it as they pleased —( Hear.) jiurned at a quarter past Twelve o'clock.
But ever would be epdrehended that one influence Wt
in all their deliberations they must not forget -emu swamp another. Unless that principle Were adopted he
tb.tt the Assembly of Lower Canada, when pressed upon HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 25. should consider it his duty to oppose all extension of tile
the point by Lord Goderich, refused to concur, there Tile Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack Suffrage, whatever might be its object. But if that pain'
ht in; then a strong feclieg eatsting in favour of free at Five o'Clock,
ciple which was just and reasonable, end salutary, Were
grants. These free grints acre taken by parties who The ashop of LINCOLN presented a variety of pcti_ adopted, be for one should think it rght and fe-isil'ile that
were put forward by the large speeulaters, and as soon as tions, praying ft r the protection of the Established Church, every man in the country should litre a vote, aal he
they had obtained their grants they were immediately sold Lord SK EL MERSD A L E presented a petition from a thought that many advantages would result from
to the (weer party. in the neighbouring country, the place in Lincolnshire against any of the plans proposed by that better system of representation. With respect to the
Sir es of America, there was also a very strong feeding Government for a system of national education. Billow which formed another subject of the petidep, he
in favour td. IA hat was called the easy occupation of land The Bishep of EXETER presented a petition against agreed, in one respect, with one observation made
.by the
by the settlers, which eas decidedly opposed to the grin_ the Church Discipline Bill; several petitions against the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for the Heine D -Part'
elide of the resolutions of the Hui. Member. That feeling proposed system of national education, and against any fur- ment, in a letter -addressed to his constituents at Stroud,
was the cruse of the Lynch Lew, and all the barbarities ther connection with, or countenatice of, the College of .. that the Ballot bad no sense or meaning whatevereel'
which were fiequently ace: uing in the. West, and which
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crept when attended with an exteasien—a great cetensiene
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were totheard of when the people of that country were con- The Marquis of WESTME A T. 11 wished iO 'know and the N..ble Lord should have said, the greatest eand
fined to their localities by being stwrOureled by warlike whether the Noble Viscount had made tiny They did inquiries into largest possible. extension—" of the suffrage—and if that
savages.- not then ditperse themselves, but now the circumstance respecting the living in Ireland, which were adopted, those who now exercised their political trust
the feeling for the easy occupation of land had become he had mentioned a Noble Friend of his had been de- for the benefit of others, would exercise that trutt secretlY
strong upon them. 1.1 the consideration of the question prived of. and without the means of knowing whether-it was properly'
it must not be
.forgotten that practically theepestion was Lord MELBOURNE said he had made inquiries into or improperly discharged. But exclusive of that coneide•
surrounded with very considerable dfri'..uWes, in conic.. it, and he found that the question in dispute was ration, he thonght, besides destroying all the moreldnflo•
quince of the territorial arid Crown revenues having- been between the Irish Government and a Noble Lord, a mice which the non-electors poSstseed, it was liable to
given up to the Assemblies. Since the t had been' dune, Member of their Lordships' House. The Irish Government all those cbjections which had been so f ireihlY . and
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the Crown had no auteerity to act in carrying out these contended that the right of presentation was in it, and the unanswerably urged by the Eev. Sydney Smiths _Allet"e:
measures, except in -concurrence with the Assenibli- s. Ile Neble Lord contended the right was in him. --. '• ' point was the property qualification of, Members cf Pan"
believed that a great c'eal night bat done by concession, The Marquis of WESTMF.:ATH could show that this !lament. At present it was-well known that many of these
anl lie would .tt ongly caution the House against any particular ease was distinguished from all others. qualifications were fictitious. If it were abolished the
attempt at coercion. Persuasion mid eoneilittion would Lord PORTM AN ruse to order. It was not ennipe- mercantile and melded classes would take special came, fur
he found far more succetsfal than restriction and coercion. tent for the Nuble Marquis to bring under discuseion in their own sakes, that persens of property were their 'Titre;
Se far, then, as the North Aencriean coliMies %%ere can that 11,,uie a question which either was or might be stntuives. As to the payment of Members of Parliatitrn.
corned, he thought it would be bai .poimy to adept the subject of a contest in a Court of law, and which he thought the st stem was strictly conformable to ane'l
these resolutions. Then with respect to our West might ultimately have to come before their Lordships for usage, and free' from-all reasonable ohjaations, prewile
cr.
Indian pessttsions. The Hon. Alernber had et- -ativ filtd decision. er,,,,,, Members might accept or refuse it as they thought Pr^P iy
praised a certain despatch of Lord Glen, lte, but he said' Lord heh-.--to4E rose to move the Order of Day for As to annual Parliaments be considered them eine' ..
he was afraid it had been almost a dead I, tter. No doute the seemed reeding of the High Sheriff's Expenses Bill. absurd. There were fe..v h.gislative measures cf which
it had se, because, to ttke the case of Jamaica, the Crown, 'rho Earl of WICKLOW said it was always usual to either the advantages or ditadvantaees could be knowtt.in
before that despatch went Out, was not in posseseion co take the petitions first.
the the course of i few months, and the conduct of l'4l-11,a;
more .thad 5,000 acres in whole island. d 'So far as his Lord COLBORNE said that the order for Ille• second
ment, in that case, would very much resemble that 0' ti
opiiiion went, he demeht they should • tattemer to induce reading of this Bill was the first on the paper. 1- - person wholly unskilled in husbandry, who,. having ttev'y''.'e.'
the Ass mhlies to raise the necessary revenue entirely Lod 13R0 UGH AM seid that there wts no such thing a field of grain, would plough it up aeain if it A'
ffoin the land—Mar, hear)—but that could only be as a first Order of the Day ; and that, besides that, the not make its erearance as soon as' he esPeete";
t
• more
by the consent of the C donial Assemblies, and there- House was summoned on a particular petition. He again repeated, there was no man who could be a o
that House was not applicabie to the
fore a resolution of
Lord RADNOR. said that certainfy there *as as little zealous advocate.for a fall represeritation of the lebour'"s
occasion. ll' then came to the question as te theirappliea u:.der and regularity in their Lordships' proceedings, as class of this country—a class the most meritorious ath
bility to our Australian colonies. The Hon. Member wished could well be found anywhere; but certainly it had.elways most useful in the country. Labour Was in itself a silee'tg
bat-
for a fixed principle, and one st hieh would• not be liable been the practice to take the petitions first. • a of property ; and even if a person had no property cro
le
to be chanced upon the actetsion of a new Colonial Se PENNY POSTAGE. ever, he Lad personal rights sehich it teat the duty of ' 4,1
cretary. Now, every Coloni il Secretary since the time of The Earl of RADNOR presented a variety of pet:t,ons liement to protect.' If he could entertain any dead
his
public -Ripen, had carefully carried out' the principle ol prating ter the adoption of a uniform rate of penny that subject, or if there bad been any uncerteinty in his
public sales of 1 old, and no grant had been made except postage. The Noble Lord .said that, eonsie.ering the mind upon it, thote doubts would be reinovcd, and his 0'11;
where the faith of the country had baen pledged to indite ;peat anxiety that prevailed, both in the City and viction estalWished, by. the New Poor-law, which was .in'tt;
duds. It was said they ought to have an Act of Parliament in the manufacturing districts, be was desirous of stated by his venerable and late lamented Noble
Frieri
for the purpose of applying money exclusively to the pur Knowing from the Noble Viscount at the head Lnrd Eldon, to be the most ditgraceful law which Cie!.
poses of emigration. But it was impossible to lay down, in of her Majesty's Government whether it was the intention disgraced a Christian country—a' law which could not I,"sj,
en absolute manner, a principle
.that was always to bi. of the Government to bring in a Bill for the adoption of a hen ra=sed, nor even proposed to a House. in wo'c
adhered to. There ware many objects to which, o eeony postage. , the Itbouritig class had been represented. He shoulde t
W:ls necessary to apply the revenue. All the ex Lord ME L BOURN E begged ta say that it was receive, also, a confirmation of Lis opinion by that
pens; of the revenue ought first tai be taken up. 'be intention of her 318j.taty'a Goverrim.!nt to carry most mishier
such as the expenses ot surveys, of the formation o' hat pl in into effect. Considering the strong in- class viewed with indignation and abhorrence, which bad
ous system of flee trade_ svhich the labouring
roads, of the erectiontolsehools, ',Seco-which were neces- 'crest it excited, and the bent fats and advantages that been so injurious to their interest, and %Ilia had dePritthe
strwto the profitable iutaleitation and settlement of the unquestionably belonged to it, it was time intention of the so many of them of employment for the benefit of foreign colony. It these expenses wese not - raisad by mon,. Goternment to carry the plan into effect with *all prec- nations, from ehom we had not and could not expect t„
from the sale of land they must be raised by taxes on thi "cable speed.—(Cheer. ) His Noble Friend must, how- receive any corresponding advantage. Ile should find it d stricts, tilde% would be attended with great ddfieultY. it ever, be ae are that in order to make so great a change a also in the miserable and most deplorable condition. ot tr„'c
.
wanwdereble preparation was absolutely necessary';' and labouring class themselves, whose sorrows and tylehtt
they were to hove a countm regularly improved and eiviliz .
d
and the population extended, the only mode in which is tie ( Lerd Melbourne) understood his Right litre Friend sufferines would hive secured the sympathy of a flout,'
could be ace implished WAS, by chargitig such a price for ,he Chancellor of the-Exchequer had given notice in another in whicri they Lad been fully .represented, and whew.: tve!
plaice that he iidended to bring forward his budget at no fare would have been the object of their unceasing solicit
the lend that a portion of the preduce could be applied to
forming means of communicttion, and erecting those li. tint day. The House and the public would then be put tude. And here he entreated their Lordships to consitlce
bu Idizigs which were necessary for the existence of civili nto pessetsion of the whole intention of the Governinent for a moment the present condition of the country—Rh
z ition. The right way of looking at the
•question was to respecting the mess .res they intended to take,. and after abstract their thoughts for a few moments from party,
and
consider the meeey arising from the sale of lend as se toting that he thought it would be more convenient that ealtnly and dispassionately lo kat wh.it was the cause .
much of the capital of tie colony, which
tray to be veste,; ,me should net enter further into the question of that cry, which had been raised in s, man),
in permanent improvements. 'fnis was a principle whirl-
:t present. It was, however, the intention of parts of the coentry for Universal Suffrage ; and at what
ter M .jevy's Government to, carry the plan into execu- were the cauea of the unexatepled agitation that rock , l
could not be too regukrly enforced. Illiourabl.
M,inbers objected to the produce of Vie land bong., 'man ; and they meant, to adopt measures in that House to the country. Whence. did it arise that ill so inany various_ applied to the payment of the police ; hut it
was bets, .4ive them all the powers winch were not given to themdi.striets :t. the country arms had b,:en provided, as if
itoler the present Pest_ office Acts that were necessary to time country were prepering fora civil war ? Ile needed I
that that money sl,mulmi be so applied than that this eountr,
should be taxed f.e. maintaining that police.. Not yin, -liable them to make the arrangenient.—(Cheers.) not here to ob,,erve that he had always disapproved of
could be more fair than theta lirge proportion of t'me ex. .
I" Tne Earl of RIPON wished to Iti,ow whether it was in the r oplc's arnimng theteselve.3, c,.:lsidrring such a prac-
pease -of the police •establishment in New Sotoh WI,- tended that this adoption of the penny pottage wat-to be wee newt wiefious to the cause it was hownded to sup-
nade conwegeet upon the loss that the revenue'might.sU3- port_(Cht•crs)—consideting that the employment of arms
shou'd be cherged upon the colony. The How Member for
Ueda had observed that the extraordbiaty proenets in the could Iced only to one-or:other of two most melancholy al.
.Kiti by its being mede up in another vett, as he had under-
that that was the meaning of the Chancellor of the ternativea—_either to univerealanarchy.or to a most &Floe
weelth of Out colony was entirely attributable to the corn
mend of labour over diode convicts. WI-en they obtained Exchequer on the subject. . rabic state of detpottsm. Nor didbe thinkdhat arms coma
that wealth they had no right to throw from their shoulders Lord MELBOURNE said—Most certainly. add ant thing to the strength of those who. were tirocure":
the-hurt:lea of maintaining erder.—( Hear, hear.) If thee The Marquis of NOR MANB Y laid upon the table cer- tomcd to the use of them, and their Lordships, t to,
refused to pay the tax for keeping up the police,, tie cola min returns relative to the repairing and building of gaols that When .rage, resentment, and revenge, unsettlt(J
[lists must surf r from - the diminution of the fund- in Ireland. minds of the people, neither prudence-nor wisdom dictated
up. ,
app:leable to the - purposes of emigretion. If the. THE CHARTISTS. the course they pursued. He had always thought the ea
t'• did not choose to provide from other The Earl of STANHOPE presented a petition from PI"Y, ,Crf 14
funds for the other necessary expenses, it nas not fair i Stoke-upon- Trent praying for Universal Suffrage, a repeal ment of armstwesunneceseary and improper, begat'
that truth must prevail, and that perwevering aria pe •
was :lot just, to the highly...taxeJ people of this country to of the. Taxes upon Knowledge, a repeal of the Poor-law
throw oa them this burden. He thought -under h t It d Act. dthe . • ••
~ Lest• . men merit, an immediate umancipaeon o the ne-But,
exertion of moral force must succeed,. he could not Mite!:
,• f lain the shadow of a doubt.— Hear, }Scar)
circumstances, they could not bind themselves by an eroes; also a petition from Walsall, praying for .Annual
linnt
positive rule as to the application of 'any definite portion Parliaments and Vote by Ballot. A petition from thyme would ask agein, to what were their Lordships to escrlhe
that state. of things, which no man could look to wit .
of the funds to the promotion of emig-ration. The Hon ton, praying for Univm sal Suffrage., Short Parfamenta, anxiety and alarm—that state of things which, according
Member had alluded on this subject to the policy arlopteo io Property Qualifications bY Members, and Vote by to the Noble Viscount's statemnt, a short time ago, aushu,
by the United States. The st stem they. adopted was, Ballot. A petition fiom the Working Alen's Asseriatioe many of oar fellow.subjects to. believe that even
the very opposite. to that one that he recommended el London, to the same effect, and recommendie were without security for their preperty and their I,ve- •
for the UtUted States applyiog, the whole of the revenue ihe division of the United Kingdom into 300. electoral With an anxious &she to acquire correct information onf,
derived from tl:e sale of land to the ordinary and currere listriets, in proportion to the amount of population. the subject, he had asked the question in _other plac?s,thoe
now thscr)h
expenses, and do riot even assist an emigrant in moving The last petition was from a meeting held at Oldhem, at consulted upen it, 114 a us,
persons best able to be
from the Eastern into the Western S..ates. He could not elicit 300,000 persons were present. The petition was answer he had received' was, that the first
the
but remark that in alluding to South Australia the Hon. signed by time Chairman, a gentleman for whom he ' enter. of the arming was the New Poor-law Act;
ioteurri
Member. had omitted all reference to the important fact, twined greet private friendship, and public regard-s--he second, the desperate ondii in of the har'd : too
that even in that colony they had been compelled to delta', meant Mr. Fielden, one of the Members ' for that vieavers ; he third, the disgraceful situation in whiclar
frem the rule they had laid down to themselves on that owough. The petitioners prayed their Lordships factory. system still continued t. and the fourth, was h ,
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subject, and he should like to know what other taxes had to take it into their consideration, as they were icter- to be considered as a substantive cause, but was thc efts,
been raised in ghat colony t. for the ordinary purposes of mined to use their utin ist endeavours, by all constitutional
Government. His flon..Fr:end had hardly alluded to time nears to have a law passed, giving te every person of I was induce
of the disturbences and discontent thet prevailed througadt
out the country. Two years ago, %hen he
other South Aug:l-alien Colonies, but he would ask hint maw: c age the right of voting for Alm-niters of Ptrliernent, by time urgent desire, anti he might say
if a great deal had net been accomplished it eight years : Vete by Ballet, no Property Qualification for Members, mend of his fellow-subjects to _resume his seat in that
ict
at that period every one had concurrel in deprecatine th end the remum rition of Members of Parliament by their House, from which he had-so long seceded, from a c°nT;ut
change which had been iiitroduced, he had been told elm. eoestituents. Seven or eight years ago he hal ex- the express (!o'
won that the little exertion he could use must be utterly. 'eil.
10,0001. was the maximum that could ever be produced pressed his conviction, that unless Parliament redressed effectuel for the benefit of the country, lie stated to tHoo
_ poor-Lubec
by the sale of their lands, in fact, all those connectet he grievances of the country, the argument,' in L irdships, that unless they repealed the New
with the co:ony concurred that that source of revenue favour of a reform of Parliament would be. unenswer- Act, the. inevitable consequence would and must
Lilo
could not b • sethly reckoned on at all ;he had great cliffi irk, and would prove to be irresistible. He need not Universal Suff-age, and a partition of. property. He '''.° culty in inducing Lord Althorp to consent to charging bserves that his anticipations had been fitly confirmed, I not on this occasion quote any Radical authority cows
this sum the general revenue by anticipation from this .iad been asserted that the French Revolution in July was this point, but he would , uote the sentinie"t
,oerce, fte objected to anticipating the revenue deriver ,he cause of the English Reform of Parliament, but never of a work conducted with eminent ability, upon High Church
h,
frem • the sale of land, and, in the present state of Australia, were two things so wholly unconnected with each
of England t rieciples, The Church V England Quer'''. ',
considered it highly inexpedient to send over a number 01 other. The French had not suffered under grievous It virw. The author of that w ork said •' Ii the present
emigrants greater than the colony was pr.-pared to receive. hiswessee which had so frequently and -se tinfor- suffering and oppression continued there will sbe but one
ri
The colony was cot anxious for indiscriminate emigration. tuately afflicted that country. The real cause of cry all '-ver the country, till Heaven itself echo back tl
Tne feeling was strong against it, and in order that nits that evert, it appeared to him, was most correctly stated by sound, for Universal Suffrage. This awful. consequen. e
System should work well it was nemessaey to take the , person who had the sagacity to ditcoyer end thweandout will] all the ruin it involyes we chtrge upon the new P°".
colonists with-them: But if emigration' were carried to t,o avow it—by one who was and still continued a zealous law." And again, • the author said, " The heart that Is
- • too
eery trifling extent beyond the demand of the colon , h supporter of it—who was a former Member- of • the withered by persecution obtains an awful ema,nerpet
could receive a check from which it would not recover for Cabinet, and who had 'declared that without Peel's -Bill from the ordinary restraints of civiliaed. society, °tic°
years. 'fhe Newspepers would be fail of exaggerated ac. ,hey never would haye had a Reform in Pediment. half the population is rendered liable to that "-
will be
counts of the sufferings of emigrants. Thit fact Was ex Had it not been fur the discontent cogentlered by that trend y." . . . " Es-cry drop of bl red that
emplified by what took place in Canada in la33d, at the edict of confiscation, for such it might be property de- shed on that occasion we charge on the New Poor-law."
tune of the bresking out of the cholera, in comequence of _ignited, this country would not have desired, would nw As a former Cabinet Minister said—_s then" ii°"l.-
the accounts thee published ot the sufferings of emigrants ; have allowed, an experiment upon the Constitution so ex lew we never shoal.] have heard of Universal Stiff-age•
emigration to that colony had received a check from tensire in its nature, and so perilous in its effects, as tie fl.re again, by way of their Lordships belie, able t°
which it had not recovered at the present moment Reform Bill—a measure which, instead Of being effected judge fairly and jiestly upon the subject, he
Tne idea of „ m fixit - •
. a uniform rate of purchase for land on right erinciples and upon calm deiberation hail been would entreat their Lerdships to suppose fur an
was absurd and impracticable,-_( Hear, hear. ) ewitt, carried by violence and clamour. Be had 'long been instant that instead of being placed in the elevated
chewy one knew that land varice greatly in quality and deeply impressed with the consideration that the dangers and independent situation in is hieh they
were, they tr
0,
of course. in value,__( Hear, hear.) Such a system must .if the:country were such as menaced with destructien all labouring men, and every one of them, without any taultents
necessarily produce contineal heartburnings and dis- its invitutions, and even the existence of property their own being subject to the operation of this most odious
contents,—every man thinking that his neighbour had a itself ; for it had been found by experience Act ; and suppose them listening to a person at:vocal.
better b-wgain then hireself,—and these evils nothing that Parliament instead of redressing the
_grievances their rights, would they not say that they were not rePr- 1
law fu
.ould obviate, except the admirable plan of public cont. of. time country had evea refused to inquire into rented in Patliameat, and that Parliament had no
ee.
petition.—( Hear, hear.) That greater facilities should them, and in such a- state of things it must inevitably authority what". r a hich not only disregarded but;
heefftred for procuring land in the Colonies, he (Lord speedily be 'proved that the sofas pepuli must be the stroyed their rights and interests? Would they nettsaY.
flowiek) qui:e agreed ; ani he thought this could w tit. -supreme ler, and thus must ultimately be the ' de. they had been reviled and calumniated—that they had 'seen,
eut difficulty be s cured ; and that it might wifely be left to n
il of that Constitution, which, with. all its stigmatised as worthless, and as living by the.eupportfj
the tense- and the di,cretion of the differeet GoVerners. The defects, ad many and great advaetages, and. had been others instead of by their own industry—and that tbeldth'n
principte of eucti„n salts had been adhered to rigidly ever the means of so long preserving the pro.perity of not had the opportunity and advantage, of svhich,n9s-lot
:ince 1831; it had been adopted by the Govern 'Tot, hiving this country. Me. Thomas Attwood, the Member for Bir- should he do rived that of being heard in theire9o., in
been found very advantageous. Cousieerioe
e that no case ,ningham, had stated that he had become a man of extreme fence; that every security and every claim inhere:o:hr,
cad been made fur the interference -of the House, and that Pillions, in eonaequence of the misgovernment of the last them had been violated and trampled under foot ; that ~ they
t would be
,impossible to adopt the resolution-, of the Hon. ieente years, and that be should not have been so it td been forcibly, and by what was called an Act of ratite
under
heavier few hire:field, he trusted they would be withdrawn, ha I Mr. Pitt lived, for that Mr. Pitt had preSer d cl: dofthose ' I t-which the . claimed
ve meat, ispossesse
Sir R. INGLIS said '1 • " •
,in his opinion the'two great ties the prosperity of this country, and when he died the-c a positive statute that had existed for more than o cot-
hrto have
ehich must bled our colonies to this country were—iden- was no one to catch- his mantle.—( Hear, hear.) He turies? Many of them must feel that they
old
ti
tty of lanetnee
ingic•Vertoemon7ylLldusot
b 6 and relition. He felt pain. at the Mho (Earl Stanhope) had voted for the second reading of the had protection, instead of being insult
:4iions. which lial been mad,; to the conduct of George IV., Reform Bill because he considered that the time rely on their own resources. They had s i
lb, I e
powerfitn. three
,f ryetoprek.et to the grant of colonial possessions to the Dake sad ' arrived when some such measure had become the absolute, uncontrolled, and hues
Pa°rnbitrary mandate-
slur Id ;and he thought that the Ministers of the Crown necessary and expedient, but he by on means pledged dietators—( Hear, hcar)—wiwc"re to have all the forcee
le udefhave risen for the defence of a tea:traction, which himself to vote for the details of the measure. When the whose orders and regulatiottsien,m ,
) Although their, po-
ll red any person to time was not peetectly legal. eostponement hf schedule A was proposed, a threat had and authority of law.—( u.. 1
s which P
it contended merely fur the right of the Crown—whether been held out that a numerous creation of Peers verty had resulted from causes quit. -.they tad. had no
ailad been properly u-ed or not he would not say, but he would have taken place ,to secure the passing of eontrol, and partly even t
from legislative enactments their
rune I' ' ' their
Y they applied foe l fuliy expected that such a statement would not have the pc, and tus tohave poverty P
Ball in its original she h was unished as a c .
,ere sep
orated
from their wives and chit-
' re-
teen allowed to pass unc:intradieted' in the presenceof d for : d dofthat House.fief they . a swamped ever the in epen mice ley
tit wd to a distance from their fallli-
-11inister . of the Crown. His Right Honoureble Friend a threat the most unconstitutional ever used and which dreg, cad removed
in • '
of that
Sir IV' ' Illiam H nton had fetid long and most anxious alien the Constitution as as in its .." ' •twould
. pwsone pun y. lien, or confined prisons, , The. precepts
loch all venerated, and Book _ _ , of that
~1
itt tration to the whole subject of emigration, and inevit :14 have procured the impeachment of the Alinisters religiou " eearded as the ehich they r , ie Word of God, and wheel thes
.e was of opinion that al colonize, ion ought who had dared to propose it. It might become a question
calculated more strongly. to enforce the virtue. of charity
o be, in the hands of the Government —( Hear.) Ile in future, should any other Ministry have the hardihood to
was cf opinion, and as was said by the Duke of Welling- make a similar attempt, whether thew Lordships would than any otherthint
Pt, had been ulerly disregarded. They
vyerfre,anow told by their fellow-subject that Universal
ton upen a late occasion, that this country could not afford allow such Peers to take their seats as had been created for
wit , ge would be the cure for that, and such would cer-
to have a litte war, so he thought she should have a system so unconstitutional an object.' It was in 1782 that- Mr.
of !mealy be thecae. Were they to object to such a cure
,f emigration commensurate with her greatness, and Pitt first proposed his resolutions to procure purity
import.- zecause-peradventure the consequence might be that Peers
it ought upon no account to be left in the hands of elections, to which our ancestors attached its just
and intim'. . might loge their titles and landed preprietors their
my ceitiptny of private adventurers. -Is all cases, ante. Since the Reform Bill passed, bribery also, they ought to send out a miniature of dation had increased tenfold. Was it therefore to
,be won- estates ? If an appeal was to be made on the subject' by
Powerful agitator, any advocate of the handtlooM
he Constitution of England— Hear, hear)—but more dered at, that there should be a cry through the country for any
'SPe•=iallY they °tight never to send them without malting the Ballot? The eff,.et of the Reform Bill bad,viquallY weavers, would he not find adherents? If an honest and
e ands industrious man, by rte unremitting exertion of his powers,
tdect tate provision for the observances of religion which been to throw the whole power of the State into the h
"d heel', too mile!). neglected in all former enterprises; of a ewes of persons before unknown to the Constitution of by all the skill and talent he possessed,. was obliged to
rhe first re,o4ttion was a truism, and therefore not can, this country, the joj. householders ; .and,in,,t'ilat respect, the labour for a greater length of time than that to which ciliated for the Journals of the House. The others he principle of the Bel was utterly indefensible, for it drew human exertion ought to be subjected, and to which but
to the
was not prepared to support, and if they were pressed to an arbitrary line to mark the possession °`. the SUffraget man exertion never could be applied without injury
the line, and exciting the • 1 labourer •and 1 the r e for that was to
muiaera ion
a division he must vote against them, . swamping ill those above i . oe. jea ou. , i e e
Ma. C. BULIa E It—Had he been allowed to rise earlier sies and discontents of those below it, and thls mutt be be a few halfpence a day, what could their
the much talked. of
_finality of the Reform Lordships rationally expect ?—t Ilear, bear, bear.)
in the evening, would have gone at some length into the wholly fatal to
qeettion, but at that late hour would content himself *lei Bill. Judging of a tree by its fruits, no high- opinion Let their Lordships look again to the state of the factories,
dt.tlg to the Noble Lord ( Howick) that he admit_ could he entertained of totheli'licy of the ref.,, to Bill, for and see whether there the advocates of Universal Suffrage
tcd he had been guilty of an inaccuracy some two the RefOrmed House of h'ipmrn°ns had speedily lost, if ;t might not find adherents.—(llear.) In the, factories the