The Sun.
London, England, 1830-11-05 00:00:00

THE NETHERLANDS.

Mr. HUME rose to move for information respecting
. our relations with Foreign Powers—respecting Belgium
and Holland, which at a prior period had, he believed,
btsu laid before the House. He was desirous that all the
papers upon this subject should be corrected and Laid on
the table, that they might be ready to be referred to by
all the Members of that House whenever occasion might
require. And he was specially anxious that this should
be effected, because in another place it had been stated by
one of the Ministers of the Crown, that the future ac-
tions of the Government, with respect to Belgium, would
depend upon the treaties by which it was bound, and as
the Members of that House would have eventually to de-
cide upon an examination of these treaties, he trusted
there would be no objection to their being laid before
them. With regard to Portugal, it was something dif-
ferent. The treaties with that country were, for the most
part, of at least. 120 years' stmding, and were supposed
to have lapsed until one of our Ministers, at the time
troops were ordered to Portugal, declared them to be iu
full operation, and the House was called on to act forth-
with, although great difference of opinion prevailed as
to the necessity. He therefore hoped that Government
would not object to have those papers collated and laid on
the table. He then moved for copies of all the existing
treaties between his Britannic Majesty and Foreign Power',
respecting Holland and Belgium ; and also respecting the
kingdom of Portugal.

Sir ROBERT PEEL said he had no objection to the
production of those papers; but really all that was mate-
rial might be found by reference to documents already pub-
lished. He therefore thought that on a principle of eco-
nomy the motion was unnecessary; but, unfortunately,
the Hon. Member always objected to his economy.—
(Laughter.) Every thing in the least necessary for all le-
gitimate subjects of debate was of easy access.
Mr. fIUME said-the treaties might be copied, and then
it would be for the House to consider whether. they should
he printed or no.

sir ROBERT PEEL observed, that the too frequent
orders for the copying out of long documents already pub-
lished, occasioned a great increase in the number of per-
sons employed in the public offices. All the necessary
treaties might be found in the Annual Register.
Mr. HUME was glad to see the Right Hon. Gentleman
was so economical ; but he suggested that the printing of
those papers might perhaps procure a war.—(A laugh.)
How were they to know what treaties Ministers referred
to ? He (Mr. Hume) had himself as good a library of
books as any Hop. Member in this House, but how was
he to find out the treaties in them?—(Loud laughter.)
Besides, there were many lion. Members who bad not
received copies of the treaties already laid on the table.
Sir R. PEEL observed the system of providing all
Parliamentary documents for new Members, would be one
of profuse expenditure—it would cost at least 40,0001.
and, besides, why had the library been established, if
not to afford Hon. Members an easy access to information
upon such. subjects. Either to reprint the Treaty of
Vienna, or that of Paris, would be ridiculous--(Mr.
Hume nodded assent)--but if there was any other treaty
required, which was not of easy access, he would cheerfully
pledge himself to produce it.
Mr. HUME was satisfied.
An How. Mesteea hoped that, after what had passed,
the Ministers would not be harassed any more about
Belgium.

The petition was then agreed to.
Mr. I3EIiNALL gave notice, for Afontliy next, of a
Bill to provide for the more convenient striking of Special
Juries in Sussex.

The House then adjourned until to-morrow, at Three
o'clock, at some minutes before Seven.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

FRENCH PAPERS.
(Front the Moniteur of Wednesday, Nov. 3.)
OFFICIAL PART.
ORDINANCRS OF TUX KIM

" Louis Philippe, King of the French.
" To all present, and hereafter to come, greeting—
" We have wuninatoled, and command, what follows

" M. Latitte, a Member of our Council of Ministers,
ehnll preside at the Council of Ministers, anti have the
portefruille of Minister Secretary of State of the Depart-,
ment of Finance, to replace Baron Louis, whose resigna-
tion is accepted. (Signed) "LOUIS PHILIPPE.
" Paris, Nov. 2. " By the King's order,
The Keeper of the Seals, Minister Secretary of
State of the Department of Justice.
" DUPONT (Ile Mute.")
" Louis Philippe, King of the French,
" To all present and to come, greeting—
" We have commanded, and command, what follows :

" The Marshal Marquis de Msison, a Pear of France, is
named Minister Secretary of State for the Department of
Foreign Affairs, to replace Count Mule, whose resignation
is accepted.
" Our Keefer of the Seals and Minister Secretary of
State of ►he Department of Justice is charged with the exe-
cution of the present ordinance.
(Signed) " LOUIS PHILIPPE,
" Paris, Nov. 2. " Hy the King's order, &c.
" The Keeper of the Seals, &c.
" DUPONT (de l'Eure)."
" Louis Philippe, King of the French, &c.

" Count de Monteliver, a Peer of France, is named
Minister Secretary of State for the Department of the In-
terior, to replace M. Guizot, who resignation ia accepted.
" Paris, Nov. e.
(Signed) " LOUIS PHILIPPE, &c."
cc Louis Philippe, King of the French, &c.

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(Signed) " LOUIS PHILIPPE, Btc.
" DUPONT (ale Mitre)."
" Louis Philippe, King of the French, &s.
4. Our Council of Ministers consists of M. Lafitte, the
President and Minister Secretary of State of the Depart-
ment of Finances; Pol. Dupont I Eure) Keeper of • the
Seals, and Secretary of State of the Department of Jus-
tice ; of Marshal Gerard, Minister, Secretary of State of
the War Department ; of Count Sebastiani, Minister,
Secretary of State of LIM Department of Marine ; of Mar.
steal Maison, Minister, Secretary of State of the Depart-
ment of Foreign Affairs ; of Count Montalivet, Minister,
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(Signed) " LOUIS PHILIPPE.
" By the King's order,
44 The Keeper of the Seals, Minister, Secretary of
State of the Department of Justice.
(Signed) " DUPONT (de l'Eure)."
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apt of the Pyrenees, at the commencetnent of the next
spring, and which force was to be under the command of
M. de Bourmont, and an army of reserve of 50,000 menlby
the following autumn. Ferdinand, having taken the advice
of his Council of State, gave for answer to the above, that
with the proffered assistance, be should undertake to Col-
lect 80,000 men in the course of two months."
" Can this he the result of a plan concerted since the
31st of July ? One would almost be inclined to believe
it, considering the extent of power which the Government
of France derived from that epoch, and which rendered it
capable of insuring the dignity and strength of the Crown.
But, owing to the thick band with which perfidious Minis-
ters have constantly enveloped the eyes of the King of
France and the surrounding Powers, might have been
visited with the following results :---
" England would have obtained, by this arrangement,
the island of Madeira, the political conquest of Spain and
Portugal, as likewise a general superiority over our com-
mercial and agricultural interests.

" Prussia would, as a matter of course, seize on the grand
duchy of Luxemburg; and Austria would acquire stronger
means of oppressing its Lombardo-Venetian territory.
" With respect to France, the result of the three days
will give her few or no new liberties; an army reduced to
b 4,000, and the loss of all kind of influence in Europe.
" An army of 130,000 Anglo-Spanish at the Pyrenees,
and commanded by M. de Bourmont, backed by the en-
raged family of Charles X.
" On our northern frontier we should have an army of
Russians and Prussians.

" And another army of Sardinians upon the Alpine
frontiers.

" In fine, disturbances and burning' in the interior, be-
sides pillage and disorder throughout our provinces."
The Moniteur, in giving the Royal ordinances confirm-
ing the formation of the 111inistry, such as we announced
it yesterday, has not added any explanation as to the mode
of retaining Ministers without portfeuilles. It is, however,
certain that they are, and will remain, suppressed; but,
in exchange, 10 under, Secretaries are, this day, to receive
their " exequatur." The following are the persons who,
it is said, will fill those important situations.
M. M. Thiers, Councillor of State—Finance.
'turtle or Allent—lnterior.
General Haxo—War.
Barthe, King's Procureur—Law Department.
Hugon, a Captain in the Navy.—Marine Department.
The Count Lanjuinais—Foreign Affairs.
(From the Gazette de France of Thursday.)

The King transacted business with the Ministers of Ma-
rine, of Justice, and of War.

The Council of Ministers sat yesterday night until
eleven o'clock.

PARIS, NOV. 3.
The Government embarrassment continues : the Pali-
niatry can neither live nor die; days and nights are con-
sumed in fruitless conferences ; every combination fails
the moment it is on the point of being realized : negocia-
tions and reconciliations only tend to multiply obstacles,
and even the transactions themselves have no result.

OPINIONS OF THE MORNING JOURNALS UPON THE MINI-

STERIAL MOVEMENTS.
(From the Journal du Commerce.)

The result of so long and difficult a deliberation must
prove satisfactory to the public, because it puts an end to
unfortunate delays and intrigues, which tended to restore
to power the Ministers who had resigned, and because the
names of the new Ministry are guarantees of loyal and pa-
triotic intentions. The two Peers of France included in
Council have given proofs of their devotedness to the re-
volution—the one in fighting with extreme bravery
amongst the ranks of the people of Paris, and the other
in performing the delicate and perilous mission to Charles
X. and his race. Such men as these will never manifest
weakness to our enemies.—La France Nouvelle.
This new Ministry must give affairs a more pleasing as.
spect without awakening fears even in the m►nds of the
most timid. M. Lafitte is a pledge given to public credit,
and his influence in the Camber of Deputies will be suM.
cient to destroy any slight opposition which may possibly
arise from feelings of some parties.
With such men as the new Ministry is composed or the
greatest confidence must exist ; they have the good opi-
nion of the nation, and must, therefore, present themselves
without any apprehension to the Chambers : and we may
at last expect a proper system, and a good Government.

(From the Courrier Fr•ancais.)
In giving our approbation to this change, we are far
froni believing that it will remove all the difficulties ul our
present position. We are acquainted with no individuals
capable of effecting such a prodigy.

(From Le G/obe.)
In the formation of the new Ministry, the names of
only three, MM. Lafitte, Dupont (de l'Eure), and Merit.
hou, belong to the left side. We may ask, it this enough?
We believe not. Unless the other members of the Ministry
become docile, and make themselves the satellites of those
who may trace out any tnedsure they wish to be adopted,
we cannot see how union can prevail in their deliberations,
or how we are to be extricated from the languid state into
which we have fallen. Why has the left a greater number
of representatives ? What has become of the unity of opi,
nion which was promised to us, and which we had reason
to expect, after ten days' labour ? Does this show a last
effort of the Doctrinaire party to endeavour to obtain, at
least with respect to the Interior, a successor quite fitted
to occupy the situation ad initrini.

(From the Journal dest Debuts.)
RESISTANCE.

The Ministerial acconehement has terminated--a new
Cabinet has been given to Prance, Why? We have no
reason to congratulate it ; we only know that it was not to
please the electoral bodies, who showeds
,by their choice,
that they only wished one thing—namely, " to maintain"_...
nor to ingratiate itself with the Chamber •raised by the
Electoral Colleges, formed according to its model, and of
the same opinion.