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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, APRIL 20, 1839

among them, and the hundreds of thousands of the
I people of Ireland were unanimous upon that point. Never
before had there been so much unanimity exhibited as upon
this occasion, nor had so many petitions ever been got up
in so short a period. Thee implored the House to con-
tinue the present system, wl:lich had given content and sa-
tisfaction to the people. For the first time the people of Ire-
land stood in that situation. The Monarch had never lived
in England who had seen such a declaration from the
people of Ireland, could the Government have acted ill
while the people so unanimously stated that they were con-
ent, d with it. They might prove by vulgar sum efarithmetic
flat tl e people ougilt net to be contented, but the people
would not be discontented for him. It was said that
the people of. Ireland would never be contented without
the entire demolition of the Church establishment. what
edministration was this which the people were so unani-
mous in the support of? Why, an administration whose
patronage of the Church had been so widely distributed,
that it had commanded the praise even of the
Right Honourable Baronet, the Member for Tamworth:
The Ministry gave the working curates the benefit of livings
—appointed a Tonson, and, above all, a Sands, to the
Episcopal Bench.—( Hear, hear.) He would tell them
fratildy, that no appointment that was ever made in Ire-
land, gave more satisfaction to the Catholic people
of Ireland than the appointment of his esteemed
friend, Mr. Sands, to a Bishopric.—( Cries of " Hear,
beer.") He would be a more dangerous man to convert
Papis!s than the Kent Tory Reformers. The peo-
ple of Ireland desired to keep in the Government
those Ministers that made the best selection of
Protestant Bishops and Botestant Rectors, and which
gave universal satisfaction to the people. He thought
every Englishman who reflected on these things
ought to hesitate,:before he put his No to the approval of
the Executive Government. The old song said—
" Ye gentlemen of England, who live at home at ease,
Little do ye think upon the dangers of the seas."
—( Laughter.) Now, he would call upon the gentleman
of England to consider whether that case might not he
broken by a different course of policy being pursued
towards Ireland. They might want the assistance of the
Irish people, and did they not know that they were now
alive to their rights—that they almost universally read—
that the Newspapers that formerly hardly went out of the
great towns, were now found in every village and hamlet.
that tire mighty mind of Ireland was awakened, and that
the mighty millions were alive to their interests, and would
not be governed under the old system?—(Cheers.) What
was the old system ? They wanted inquiry forsooth.
Let them inquire into the Orange system. He would just
remind them of it lest they should forget it. Why, in Orange
oounties in Ireland there was a word invented that was
unknown in the English language—he meant "wrecking
a town," which was a familiar phrase in Ireland because
it was familiar in practice. Hecould not avoid giving a few
instances, that he might show what that Orange system was.
He would come presently to the hypocritical pretence of
impartiality. He shall treat that cant if not with the cut-
tempt it meri.ed et least wi h a refutation which v. as easily
made. He had in his pocket a letter, which was nut
there by accident.—( Laughter.) He was not like the
Honourable and Learned Member for Bandon ( Ser-
geant Jackson), who did not intend to say a word during
the debate, and yet came down with five or six volumes of
returns, and with all the oranges ready.—(Great laugh-
ter.) He had intended to produce this letter—it was the
letter of a gentleman now more than twenty years abroad,
whose name stood high as an independent Member of the
Parliament of 1782, and was related to some of the
first families in that country—Mr. Todd Jones.
It was inclosed in a letter addressed to the Editor of the
Dublin Evening Post, bearing the post mark of Newry,
of the 2d March, 1824 ; when the Right lion. Baronet
was Secretary for Ireland. The writer stated an outrage
was committed by armed men en the unarmed pea-
santry in the town of Kilkeen ; that upon Wednesday,
the 9th of February there was a quarterly fair at Kilkeen ;
held by a peaceful and industrious peasantry, an armed
body of yeomanry and Orangemen entered the town,
assaulted the Catholics, and the next day the house
of the parish priest, an exemplary man, was fired into and
dismantled, and twenty-eight houses were wracked. That
letter was signed " \Vm. Todd Jones." He (Mr. O'Con-
nell) only mentioned this, to show what occurred during
the Secretaryship of the Right Honourable Gentleman.
An investigation had taken place; but, up to this hour,
the perpetrators of the outrage had not been discovered.—
( Hear.) An outrage had been committed in the presence of
the gallant Colonel, the Member for Armagh ( Col. Verner)
who, notwithstanding that he was a Magistrate—and an
officer—and an Orange dignitary—had been unable,
with all his efforts, to prevent a band of Orangemen
from " wrecking a tewn."—( Loud cries cf " Hear, hear.")
This might show the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel)
that he could not controul his satellites—( Cheers)—and
was it to such a party that Ireland was to be delivered
over 2—( Continued cheering.) Upon the 28th of June,
1837, some children were amusing themselves with
a bonfire, in conformity with an ancient Catholic custom,
some savages stole unperceived near them, and fired upon
them, killing two, and wounding several.---( Hear, hear. )
The murderers had never been discovered. They could
not have been Catholics—they could not have
been good Proteseints-Lthey must have been Orange-
men.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") There was a horrible
case, and were the Irish people to he deprived of the protec-
tion of the present Government, and was the Orange
dominion and oppression to he restored by the
vote of the House of Lords ?—( Hear, hear, and cheers.)
The effect of that vote was that the principles of
this Government were not to be persevered in—that
was a proclamation to the Orangemen, which they would
well understand.—( Ilear, hear.) Why, at Coleraine they
had already assembled, encouraged by the prospect of tile
fall of the present Ministry. He should like to know from
the Hon. Member for Sligo who were their officers?
Colonel PERCE VAL—I know as little of them as the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman.

Mr. O'CONNELL—I am glad of it; but then that
shows that the Gallant Colonel has been superseded, and
that a new set of officers has been established.—( Hear.)
On the grand jury in Dublin it had been usual to allow
some few Catholics and liberal Protestants to be placed,
but now out of 40,000 presentments not one single Catho-
lic or liberal Protestant was left upon it. If lion. Mem-
bers wished the name of the individual to whom he al-
luded he would mention it.—( Cries of " Name," from the
Tories.) The name of the person was Cornelius O'Logh-
len.—(Cheers.) Let those shrink from giving names who
had reason to do so. The Hon. Member for Coleraine
was accustomed to make hullabaloo speeches.—( Laughter.)
The other night be made a moderate one. Ile was then
gentle as a sucking-dove—( Laughter)--and he rose to
animation and poetic vigour only when he began praising
the Orangemen.—( Cheers.) It was at Coleraine the
meeting took place. The Member for Coleraine
in this House lauded the Orangemen to the
skies, but that was not all. At the late
meeting to address the Queen, which was called for a
particular and limited purpose, what happened? Dr.
Moyle and others arranged the night before, to disturb
the meeting, and they got together 120 or 130 persons,
with bands about their hats, and a buckle in front,
and they sent a drunken Alderman, named Archer,
to break up the meeting. The waving of an
Orange handkerchief was the signal, and an attempt
was made to rush on the stage in order to throw the pro-
ceedings into confusion. Would they have done so a
month ago, before the Lords' resolutions were passed ?
Oii, no !. As vultures scent the distant corpse they scented
the coming change, and went there to disturb those
who never invited them.—( Loud cheering.) The Ho-
nourable Member for Coleraine praised the Alderman as a
worthy personage who had been the Lord Mayor of
Dublin. It was true he bad been so, but he was also a
petty magistrate, and on one occasion summoned a carman
for beating him, and the bench unanimously acquitted the
carman, unanimonsly convicted the magistrate, and fined
him 51.—(Cheers)—and the Lord Mayor immediately
petitioned the bench that they should take the fine
at 11. per week—(Loud laughter)—and this demon of
party was sent to beard the Duke of Leinstcr. Oh, how
sympathetic they were at their imagined success.—
(Cries of '' Hear, hear.") In every thing this tyranny
over the people of Ireland was growing rife, as the party
got prurient in their expectations of success. He would
now refer to what had taken place in the parish
of Cahir, where Lord Glengal had made out a list of
guardians, but had been defeated, and three honest Catho-
lics retu.ned. It was not usual to call for the Lady-day
rent until the August, but on this occasion orders were
issued to have it paid on the following day, and the law-agent,
James Barry, had instructions to serve latitats on those who
did not pay their rents in their two days.—( Hear.) Was
that legal? It was not just, but it showed in what spirit
the-- Irish landlords acted. Was there an English Gen-
tleman in that House who would not be ashamed of
persecuting his tenants in that way ?—( Hear, hear,
hear.) To complete this a circular had been issued
by the Irish Protestant Society in London, a copy
of which had been given to him by Mr. Divett.
The patron upon this circular was the Right Honourable
Viscount Lorton, and then followed the names of Earl
Dunrai en, the Earl of Enniskillen, and Captain Alsager,
M. P. He should like to know what corps the gallant
Captain belonged to—he was quite sure not the corps of
Christians.—( Hear, hear, hear.) If Lord Lorton had
intended to tempt the neighbourhood to crime and
sin, he would have pursued the very course he hal
adopted. The Right lion. Gentleman opposite had
accused him ( Mr. O'Connell) of imputing a calumny to
Lord Lorton. What arta it he stated ? He had stated a
report from a newspaper, where a very good case was stated
age i st a poor widow. The question was tried by a ju,v
of most respectable Protestants, and the jury instantly
found a verdict for the wide v, Lord Lorton in the mean-
time get a surrender from the son, who had no right to
make such a surrender, and upon that he pulled
the house about the ears of the widow, an'_
left her to inhabit a small cottage. Could the-
House then be surprised that there were outrages against
the Nob e Lord for such conduct ? Were there not de-
nunciations against all who trampled upon the widow and
orphan?—( Hear, hear, he :r.) But the Honourable
Baronet had said that justice ought to be administered
with impartiality, though he made an apology for mak-
ing the declaration, which he felt the absolute necessity of
making. Now he felt it necessary to act with his friends,
and who were his friends in Ireland ?—( Loud cheers.)
Would he show him a moderate Protestant that
would be favourable to an Administration of his. He might
spew him plenty of Orangemen, but not one Protestat.
The Learned Sergeant, the Member for Bandon, said that
he had never attended the political meeting in Cork ; to
prove that lie had he ( Mr. 0.C.) produced the Morning
Pot, which stated that at a meeting which took place
in that city the Learned Sergeant said that his opinion
had once, been favourable to Catholic Emancipation.
but if the measure were to be proposed again, he should
' pander long before he voted for the measure. In ItoB he
attended a meeting of the Brunswick Club at Mr. Donall's
hotel in Cork, It was called a celebration of principle of
the glorious revolution.—( Loud cries of " Question," and
" Divide.") He ( Mr. O'Connell) begged those gentlemen to
be attentive, fur the Learned Sergeant rose to be one of
the Judges under the new regime, The toast there drunk was
" To the immortal memory of the goed King William the
Third, another " he Right lion. Sir R. Peel, the uncom-
promisieg guardian of public principle."— ( Cheers, and
laughter.) The Learn( d Sergeant spoke to the

latter toast—would he still deny that he attended
that meeting. —( Question.) The Right Hon. Baronet
talked of his impartiality, should he come into office ; he
might be sincere, but neither man, woman, or child in
Ireland would believe him. They had talked very much
in praise of Lord Roden; but would it be believed that
when the Catholics of Drogheda applied to him for a site
for a new chapel, offering any money for it, he wrote
them an insulting letter of refusal, stating that their
religion was the worship of idolatry.—( Loud cries
of " Question" from the Opposition side, and cheers.)
He hNged to remind those impatiens- gear letnen, that he
was pleading the cause of his country, and they ought to
listen to him as the advocate of Ireland.—(" Oh, oh.")
He had many observations to make as the manner in which
he had been treated, but e would not do so in consequence
of the lateness of the hour; but he must be allowed to al.
lude to the manner in vvhic'a he had been insulted yesterday
by the Hon. Baronet opposite, who took a tragic attitude
and endeavoured to look like the false Knight in Sir W.
Scott—

" Lite a Doug-les, though no Doz.*,las born."
Ile was glad to hear the Right Hon. Member for Pem-
broke take up the ease of Gahegan again. Who intro-
duced that else? A Learned Jadge, the Learned Recorder
for Dnblin.—( Cheers.) There was an example for the
purity of the Bench, the Learned Recorder coming for-
ward and stating the foulest calumnies.—( Ulcers.)
He conjured the men of England not to hand over
the Catholies of Ireland to sanguinary and ferocious inter-
ference. They must not think that they would have an
easy victory over the people of Ireland. They had now
been taught to agitate without violating the law.
( Cheers,) Did the Him. Gentleman mean to say they had
net been watched with au eagle's eye and a vulture's
apetite. Why three reporters had been sent to Ireland to
watch their proceedings.—(Cheers.) He trusted the
gentlemen of England would, persevere in their endea-
vours to obtain peace for Ireland, the other side of th
House might be tyrants, but the people of Ireland would
not be slaves. (The Hon. and Learned Member sat down
amid much cheering.)
Sir CHARLES DOUGLAS could assure the Hon,
and Learned Member for Dublin, that he had not the
slightest intention of insulting him last night ; if he had
done so, he was extremely sorry for it, and apologised
both of him and the H, use.

Mr. O'CONNELL was perfectly satisfied, and heartily
wished he had not mentioned the subject.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT rose amid loud cries of
" Question, divide, withdraw," and other expressions of
impatience, notwithstanding which the Hon. Baronet
persisted in addressing the House, as we judged from his
gesticulations, for not one word that fell from him was
audible. At length he yielded to the impatience of the
House, and resumed his seat.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said if he had had an oppor-
tunity of addressing the House at an earlier period,
he certainly should have made some answer to
the speech of the Noble Lord the Member for
Lancashire. Two lines of arguments had been adopted
on the other side—one that the House of Lords had
imputed no blame, and did not mean censure
in its proceedings, and that they merely amount-
ed to an ordinary case of inquiry. The other line
was that so much of blame was attached to the
Government of Lord Normanby that it was their duty
to institute an inquiry, and that the House of Commons
ought not to pronounce any opinion until that in-
quiry was gene through. If the first point was
relied on, then he contended that one House of Parlia-
ment had as much right to inquire upon the subject
as the other, and if that were the case what could be the
danger of a collision by their coming to a❑ opposite vote ?
but if the other and totally different and contradictory
ground were relied on, saying that House had not thought
proper to draw up articles of impeachment against the
Government—then be would say, let them come to a vote
as to whether there ought net to be a similar proceed-
ing in that House. They had no intimation
of the proceedings of the other House, until the mo-
tio❑ of the Right Hoa. Gentleman te search the Journals.
But suppose the House of Lords, having taken good care to
have a sufficient majority of their own party on the Committee,
suppose they went through the inquiry, and with as much
decency as they could manage to put into it—( Cries of
" Oh, oh")—and suppose that a resolution that, for
all he knew, had been already drawn up—(renewed
cries of " Oh, oh," and cries of " shame, shame,"
from the Opposition Benches)—suppose that resolution,
containing no more and no less than the speech which had
been circulated through the country as the opening
speech of the accusation or crimination of Lord Normanhy's
Administration—he repeated, resolutiOne were drawn
up in conformity with that speech, and such resolutions
were affirmed hereafter by the House of Lords, he pre-
sumed they would appoint another Committee to search
the Journals in order to come to a knowledge of their
proceedings.—( Hear, hear.) Was it meant that that House
should meet for three or six or ten months, during which
time the inquiry might last, and then do nothing more
than acquiesce in the decision, whatever it might
be, of the House of Lords. There was one
part of the proposition or amendment made
by the Right Hon. Bart., which gave him—(Lord
J. Russell) satisfaction, because he said that if the amend-
ment was not approved of, he would come to a direct j
vote upon the original resolution. He thought that
would be satisfactory to the House. The Noble
Lord stated that the House of Commons ought
not to place itself in collision with the House of
Lords, and he had read letters which he confirmed
by his own opinion, " that the evils of Ireland were
deep seated—were the result of a long series of
years, and were not to be traced to any immediate action
of the Government of Lord Normanby."—(Hear, hear.)
If that were the case, it was merely the argument
which he had taken the liberty of stating at the
commencement of the debate, that these evils were
not produced by the gevernment of Lord Normanby since
1835, but that they are to be traced back to a more remote
period. Another charge which had been made against
the resolution which be had had the honour to pro-
pose was, that it was not confined to the
period alluded to, and peinted.out in that of the House
of Lords. Had he so confined hims'elf, then hw would have
been open to the charge of throwing an imputation
upon the Governments of Lords Anglesea and Wellesley.
Having every respect for those Noble Lords he had most
cautiously avoided giving cause for such a charge.
He was, however, now charged with doing so, how much
more would he have been liable to such a charge had he
confined his resolution to the period of 1835 ?—( Cheers.)
His Noble Friend, the Member for Lancashire, had said
that nothing would come of the resolution—in that he very
much differed with his Noble Friend, because, if the
motion of the House of Lords had been allowed to stand, the
effect in Ireland would have been that there would have
been an opinion that under the name of a Committee
of the House of Lords a new Government bad been ap-
pointed, and also have had an effect injurious to the
Government.—(Cries of " Hear,") That people and the
Government, however, could not think themselves
deserted if a majority of the House of Corn:
mons decided in his favour. The Hon. Member for Wilt-
shire (Sit-J. Burdett) had taunted him with inconsistency,
of course he was an authority and very strick upon that
point.—( Loud cheers and laughter.) He did not think
he was doing anything incoesistent with the vote he had
given upon the motion of the Honourable Member for
Worcester. In asking for the present vote, he considered
he was acting quite consistently. He was dm idedly of opinion
that the Executive of either country should not ha entrusted
to any other hands than these of the Government.
He thought that if they were transferred to
the bands of a Committee of the House of Lords
it would only be the commencement cf a struggle, in
which their privileges would be placed in the almost
danger.—(The Noble Lord sat down amidst loud cheers.)
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The House
divided, when there appeared—
For Lord John Russell's motion
Against it (Sir It. Peel's Amendment) 296

Majority for Ministers ......... 22
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he would now divide the
House on his amendment.
The gallery was again cleared, and the House divided.
For Mr. Duncornbe's Amendment.. 81
Against it .... . .......
Majority for Ministers 2lB
The House adjourned at a Quarter past Pour.

IRISH WASTE LAN 0_ IMPROVE-

MENT SOCIETY.

Yesterday a numerous and blghly respectable Snaecia
General Meeting of Proprietors of this Society was held
at the Society's Rooms, Old Broad-street, City, "for the
purpose of taking into consideration the propriety of autho-
rizing the Directors, pursuant to the provisions of the Act
of Incorporation, to dispose of the 3,738 shares, which wore
declared forfeited at a General Meeting on the 28th of
February last, and other business." Ormsby Gore, M. P•,
in the Chair.
Amongst the distinguished persons Present we noticed
Edward J. Cooper, Esq , M. P.. John Heathcote, Esq.,
M. P. ; Wrn. Blount, E-q. ; J. M. Alaude, Esq. ; T.
Staples,
[Arnie Murray, Esq ; Colonel Robinson ; Edward Binald
Esq. ; Robert Potarnh_ y ; Archbold,,
Esq , M. P. ; Captain Bond Bermingham, Es
Amory, Esq. ; and ether ;gentlemen. q.
Mr. WILKINSON (the Secretary) having read the ad-
vertisement, calling the meeting,
The CHAIRMAN expressed his regret that in conse-
quence of the absence of their able Chairman (the Earl of
Devon) the
duty had to-day devolved upon him of presi-
ding
.at this numerous and respectable meeting. The
Noble Earl was now in Ireland,‘ and he wee happy to say
was to have been engaged oaednesday last in presiding
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over a public meeting of the friends and supporter s of this
Society, which was held in Dublin, and which he hail no
doubt would be attended with the
greatest ad-
vantages to the shareholders as one body, and to the
people of Ireland is a much more eminent degree. The
principal object,
however, of their assembling here to-day
was to consider the propriety
of selling the 3,738 shares
which were declared to have been forfeited by the General
Meeting on the '2Bth of February last.
Such being the
object for which tney had assembled, he would be happy
to hear any gentleman make such observations as the cir-
cumstances might induce him to offer to the meeting.
Mr. MAUDF., having referred to the terms of the Act of
Parliament auther:zing the Directors to sell the shares so
forfeited either by " public auction orrivate contra,
eeeict"
"Directors
&c., moved the follng Thatresolution, the
do sell and dispose ef the 3,738 shares which were declared
forfeited by a resolution of the half-yearly General Meet-
ing held on the 28:h of February last, in such manner and
for such price as they may think fit." ,
Captain BOND seconded the resolution, which was una-
nimously agreed to.
Mr. BertmleGnam thought it would be but fairerenc, in
to the
prefe
disposal of the forfeited shares, to give the
those persons who had at all times continued their con-
fidence in the Society's exertions, and paid up the call
which had been made upon there ; and in furtherance of
that view, he begged leave to propose the folloaing resolu-

tion : That in the disposal of the forfeited shares the
Directo s be recommended to give a preference to those
shareholders who have paid their call on the non-forfeited

shares."

The resolution having b_en seconded, was unanimously
agreed to.
Mr. L. Muaaay asked if any names were yet put do-An
for the shares?—when

The CHAIRMAN answered not as yet, although of their
extensive disposal there could be but little doubt. He
would take this opportunity of calling the attention of the
meeting to the very able and valuable Report which had
been made to the Society by one of their Directors (Cu!.
Robinson), and a Report which, while it shows the valuable
system on which this Society acted, proved at the same
time the great research and the active and zealous mind
which that Hon. Director always brought to the considera-
tion of their affairs. That Report required to be studiously
read and attended to, when there could be no doubt that
while it reflected credit on its distinguished author, it
would prove in practice of the most essential benefit to the
shareholders here, and the moral improvement of the
Irish people.—( Hear, hear.) The Directors had already
tenders d him their thanks for to hat ho had claee, but he
was satisfied that the present respectable meeting of the
proprietary would not separate without also adding their
approbation of his able and efficient services in their cause.
—( Hear, hear )
Mr. BERMINGHAM said he could bear ample testimony to
the important benefits which the visit of the gallant Direc-
tors had conferred upon that portion of the people of Ire-
land, through whose districts he had journeyed. Ile looked
fully and fairly into the state of the country—_he sympa-
thized with the poor—and he generally produced a most
favourable impression in favour of the exertions of this So-
ciety.—( Hear, bear.) The subject of " removals" was
one which had hitherto been attended with no little diffi-
culty in many parts of Ireland; but, however so ~such
attached the Irishman naturally felt to the part of the coun-
try that gave him birth, still only prove to him that a
change of " locality" will honestly tend to better his con-
dition, and the removal of hundreds could be effected with-
out the slightest disturbance. This Society, as far as
their means had gone, contributed to offer resources in many
cases of removal, in consequence of the over-population of
other districts. From Portumna to Galway almost the
whole of the country was waste—there was no employment
for the people, and the result was, that thousands were starv-
ing, while he had no doubt but that there was plenty of capi-
tal in Ireland to employ the people if it were properly applied.
The fact was that the Irish should be taught to work, to
make proper drains, to know the use of proper instru
ments of husbandry, to be supplied with good seed—in a
word, they should be taught to know that an iron plough,
which could be bought for 505., would last for ten years,
and might descend as an heir-loom to their families. The
Irish people he knew to be honest, and anxious to fulfil
their engagements, and if fairly treated would equal any
people in the world. He hoped that the visit of the Gal-
het Director would be annually repeated, for he was
satisfied that the Society, of which he was so valuable a
Member, would be the means of regenerating Ireland—of
advancing the pecuniary interests of the shareholders,
and obtaining the blessings of a grateful people.—( Hear. )
E. COOPER, Esq., M. P., bore his testimony to the
accuracy of the facts stated in the Gallant Director's
valuable report, with reference to the county of Sligo.
He concurred with the last speaker, that " Paddy would
not take things for granted," but show him one or two
persons who have successfully followed a new path to im.
provement, and lie would follow it without hesitation.—
( Hear.) He had himself caused some experiments to be
tried upon his estate relative to green crops—the
first was in a rood of turnips, upon which three
cows, bought in November, and sold in the latter
end of January had been fed, and in that short time
the party had cleared 5/. by their sale. The next was
an agricultural experiment upon an acre of turnips upon
which bone manure and horn shavings (to be had at a very
moderate price) had been used, and where the former ten-
ant had not been able to pay an' acreable rent of 21 shil-
lings, the farmer who made the recent experiment, had
realized not less than 171. lie would not for his own part
encourage the system of buying up lands from persons, be-
cause the money was generally bo-rowed to buy up the
"good-will" of such lands at large rate of interest; and in
the next place, because such an outlay would not lead in its
consequences to the improvement of the land. He was fa-
vourable to the granting of beneficial leases, and he was satis-
fied
that while the "green crop" system was a good one, it
could not at once be followed out by the Society, The
shareholder; must not expect immediate profit, but their
ultimate success was demonstrably certain.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. lement MURRAY said he had but a few words to
offer upon the question of " immediate profits." He
( Mr. Murray) was one who had been urged by a double
motive to embark in the improvement of the waste lands of

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Ireland. These motives were the advancement of the
moral and physical condition of the people of that country,
and the pecuniary advantage to be gained in so good a
work by the Shareholders. Both these objects must go
hand in hand before he could be induced to take an active
part in the undei taking. It was, however, to correct the
unfavourable impression which the unintentional speech of
the Hon. Member for Sligo was calculated to make as to
the time the Proprietors should have to wait a return
of the investment, admittedly large as that return might
be. It would not be the object of the Society hereafter
to enter into the details of cultivation, or concentrate their
powers and their capital on the few estates it would be
within their power to manage, as it would be impossible
for a limited number of individuals to bestow that requisite
attention to the wants of an extended tenantry in dlfferent
parts of Ireland, which the actual possession of a great
number of estates at the same time would involve. It was
rather to the powers which the Act of Incorporation granted
to the Society that immediate profit might be looked for.
than by postponing those profits until the fu'ure results of
cultivation were known, however great they might be.
And here it might not be outof place to explain what those
powers were; and.his own view-orthegriannor tif wetting them
to good account. It Might -not,bc,sb ev4ltikilown thtte whit,
had hitherto restricted the reclamation of the waste lands
of Ireland, was the uncertain - tenu:e which the great
owners of entailed estates in Ireland could grant to tnose
who were willing to embark their energies, skill, and capi-
tal in the improvement of those lands. Thus a vast tract
of fine country, capable of cultivation, and the sustenance
of a large population has hitherto been useless to the
proprietors, and unproductive to the country. By the Act
incorporating the Society, this great drawback had been
remedied—it converted, as it were, a life-interest into
nearly a perpetuity, enabling the landlord of Irel Ind to
grant a lease of his lands fur 99 years, of: which, hereto.
fore, owing to the law of entail, he could give little
better than a life-interest—an inducement totally inade-
quate to recompense the outlay of either labour or capital.
He thought the Act of Incorporation of this Society was
principally s 'linable because it gave to them the power of
granting leases of those lands which they might ac-
quire, for a longer, an I therefore a more beneficial term
of years, than could be granted by the landlords them-
selves. Having this power, and extending their es-
tates over the la: ger surface of the waste lands, their
reclamation would be the more rapidly extended and ad-
vanced, and at the same time call forth much of the latent
capital which he was fully persuaded was at this moment to
be found in Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) It was not to the
amount of capital, but to a want of the proper induce-
ments afforded the cultivators of the soil in calling it forth,
the poverty and wretchedness of Ireland was to be attributed.
(Hear, hear.) He concurred in what had been said as to

the sagacity of the Irish people, and that they, like most
other people, would not lay out a shilling by "persuasion,"
nor in any shape, until they were satisfied
of the advantage to be derived from it. It
was his opinion also, that the tenants gene-
rally should have a more beneficial interest in the soil in
Ireland than they had hitherto enjoyed. Nor could an im-
provement be expected in that or any country until
the interest of tho proprietor and cultivator was made
identical, and that desideratum could be most effec-
tually supplied by this Society. That object being once
accomplished this Society would be remunerated, the te-
nants considerably benefited, and the whole face of the
country most materially improved. This Society,
experience of Ireland had been obtained at a very
trifling outlay of capital, particularly looking at the
vast moral objects they had in view,__.( Hear.)
He would' briefly explain the mode of working nut those
views which, he had no doubt, would be those hereafter
adopted, and of rendering the Society a source of profit,
and producing a beneficial influence on the state of the
country. He would assume that the Corporation obtained
the possession of several eligible estates, that instead of
seeking its profit by the cultivation of them on its own
account, it would direct a system of general improvement,
in the making of connecting roads in draining
and laying out the lands in different applettnents, so as to
fit the land for reclamation in detail. It would be found,
that by offering inducements in the shape of a permanent
interest to the cultivators, each applotment would soon be
occupied by a substantial tenant who had sufficient capital
for its improvement, and whielr he was ready to advance on
the security of the tenure it was in the poser of
the Society, by its Act of Incorporation, to grant.
Then the Society would, by a moderate outlay con-
fined to objects of a general nature, and by means
of the security it was enabled to give to its tenants,
soon be in possession of an increased rental, and put into
activity the energies and capital, and, let him add, the
kindly feelings of human nature. The Society would thus
be possessed of a marketable commodity, in the shape of
a "profs: rent," of which it would have no difficulty in
disposing. It had only to say—here is an estate, here is
the rent we pave and here is the rent we receive ; and he
had no doubt there would be found many purchasers ready
to deal with the Society, at a price considerably enhanced
beyond the outlay. By these meals an irainediate profit
would be secured to the shareholders, and a large dividend
frequently declared, while the improvement of the country
would be advancing in a most rapid manner. In this way
a capital of 100,000/ , constantly employed, and spread
over from time to time an extended surface in the acqui.
sition, and improvement, and re-sale of these lands, could
be rendered more highly profitable than if they cul-
tivated those estates and held them in their own hands.
As to any difficulty in the removals of the Irish people
from one locality to another, he saw nothmg in it, as
they now went cheerfully to Canada, to Austral.a, an .I
would go any where, provided, however, their interest was
to be improve d or beneficially secured.—( Hee-. hear.)
Mr. SMITH asked if tee opinions just stated by the Ho-
nourable Director were those of the Board of Directors,
as they involved considerations of the very highest impor-
tance? •
Mr. LAMIE Munnev answered in the negative. They
were merely his own opinions, and he was not aware that
they had been at any time discussed, much less submitted
to the Board of Directors. The time had but art ived for
their discussion.
The CHAIRMAN said the question was one of great im-
portance:' and also a very proper one to have been asked by
the Hon. Gentleman. For himself he deprecated the idea
getting aleoad that their profits were to be postponed for
years to‘come, for any individual who would take the trou-
ble of reading the very last report of the Society would find
not only that their profits would commence iutmediately,
but that a dividend would have been declared, if it had not
been thought more advisable to wait a little longer to make
in a great deal larger.--( Heap.) Ile considered himself
to have been fortunale in introducing this Act into the

House of Commons, for he looked upon it as far superior
Ito any Poor-law, if it were properly worked out. Ireland
was rich in natural powers—her population was industrious
beyond belief, as indeed might be seen in this country,
where they did double the work of an English labourer to
procu:e that money which they could not obtain at home.
All they wanted was capital in the landlords, and that
want was supplied by this Society to the extent of th.,ir
means, and he trusted that, through their exertions, the
able-bodied Irish poor would not find it necessary to apply
to any Poor-law Guardians, but to the proprietors of the
Irish Waste-land S)ciety.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. COOFER. said he did not mean to say that immediate
profits were not to be had under the system practised by
this Society—on the contrary, he would to-morrow become
a large purchaser of their land, because be would be sure
of a large prospective profit.
The CHAIRMAN—NO doubt of it, and so fully was the
Legislature aware of that fact, that the landlords bad a
clause inserted, by which, in the event of tine Company's
Estates being °tiered for sale, they were to have the
first offer at nineteen years' purchase, and in case of their
refusal, then they might be put up for sale in the best and
most open market.

A vote of thanks was then unanimously passed to Colonel
Robinson, fur the zeal, talent, and ability displayed in the
valuable Report which he had presented to the Society•
The Gallant Officer, in returning the compliment, said
all the information which appeared his Report, had their
foundation in fact and truth, and hence was any value to b,
attached to them. During his visit to the Society's
estates, he found persons of all parties, and all religious
persuasions anxious to afford him every information, and
he could add, that the greatest desire prevailed in Ireland
to support the objects of this Society.---( Hear, hear. )
Colonel ROBINSON next proposed a vote of thanks to the
SJeicty's Agent, Mr. Cooper, whom he found to be a
most efficient officer, and, in point of information, almost
equal to an Encyclopaedia..—Agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN begged to add, that it was in the dis
cretion of the Directors to permit persons who had not paid
up, and therefore forfeited their shares, still to make ap-
plication to pay up, and that each particular application
would be fully attended to on its own specific merits.
Thanks being voted to the Chairman, the meeting
separated.

ROMAN CATHOLIC EMANCiPA-

TION ACT.
SYNOD OF GLASGOW AND AYIt.

(From the Ayr Observer of
_April.l6.)

Mr. RimNs broughi forward the following overture:
" It is humbly overtured by the very Reverend the
Synod of Glasgow and Ayr—That whereas Popery is
opposed to the Word of God, is the Antichrist of Scrip-
ture, and is calculated to bring down the judgments of
God upon the kingdoms and communities which give it
their countenance ; and whereas shell countenance has
been given it in our country by the Act of I 529, com-
monly called The Roman Catholic Emancipation Act,'
by which our kingdoM has bccoma a promoter of Anti-
christ, and has thereby exposed itself to God's threat-
ened judgments ; therefore, that this Synod do petition
both Houses of Parliament for the repeal of the above-
mentioned Act, and thus exclude Papists from political
power in this Protestant State."

Dr. BURNS, in support of the overture, said they
could not oppose the grants to Maynooth, or to the
Catholics in the colonies, so long as they did not lift
up their testimony against Catholic's being in Parlia-
ment. So long as they recognised the country, as Pro-
testant they might oppose such grants, but they could
no longer do so when Catholics were in ParliarnQut.
If they did not repeal the Act of 1829, they would
bring down the judgments of God upon the country.
Dr. Burns then alluded to the Queen's Coronation
Oath to support the Church of Scotland, which he
maintained could never be properly done so long as the
Public purse was in the hands of Roman Catholics.
He objected to Catholics being in any Legislative
capacity. They got into Parliament by trickery ; they
promised to take no part against the Protestant
Church ; but their duty te) their own Church was pa-
ramount, and they kept no faith with heretics. The
Catholic Members of the House of C'anmons were
practically guilty of perjury. If their petition was sup-
ported by such men as Colquhoun, Plumptre, and Sin-
clair, Dan would tremble. Besides, the Ministers of
the land trembled before the Church of Scotland ; and
a petition from such au influential body as the Synod
would have a powerful effect. He moved the adoption
of the overture.

Mr. STORY agreed in the preamble of the overture,
but he disagreed with the proposal to petition. That
would, he thought, place them as a spiritual Collet in a
false position. They should first apply to God on the
subject. They should appoint a day of fasting and
humiliation on account of that sin ; and after asking
counsel of God in prayer they could better approsch
the Parliament. After illustrating the necessity. of this
course at considerable length, Mr. Story concluded with
a motion to that effect.

Dr. SmYTii thought there was no inconsistency in
adopting the overture and Mr. Story's suggestion at the
same time.

Mr. MONCRIEFF, of Kilbride, differed from the over.
ture and from the suggestion of the Rev. Gentleman.
The overture was far too strongly worded to make it
pass with any one who had in 1829 supported the
measure. If Mr. Story's suggestioa ware adopted, he
would appeal to the Assembly, as it would be calling
on men to humble themselves for what they did not
consider a sin. If they got their object, how was Ire-
land to- be governed? Some might say they would
govern. Irelarid on the exclusive sistern ; but he
doubted if all who would vote for the overture were
prepared for this. He moved that the overture be
dismissed.

Mr. SOMMERVILLE, of Andel ston, maintained that
principle, and not expediency, should guide them ; none
but those who admit Christ's rule should bear the sword
of Government.
Mr. BuewsTEß seconded Mr. Moncrieff. The
speeches on the other side had been addressed to their
feelingc, rather than to their judgments. If they ex-
cluded any class of men from civil offices from differ-
ences in religious opinions, let them carry out the prin-
ciple, or throw it to the winds. If we wish to convert
the Roman Catholics, let us conciliate them' by giving
them their just rights, and then they would he more
suited for being proselytes.
Mr. STORY having withdrawn his motion, at the re-
vest of several members, a vote was taken, when tha
overture was carried by 45 to 2.
It was then resolved that, on the bringing up of the
petition, the Synod should engage in devotional exer•
cises on the subject embraced in the petition.
The Synod adjourned at one o'clock, till Thursday
at eleven o'clock.

Thursday, April 11.
The Synod met at eleven o'clock, and the reports of
the Committees appointed last night to draw up peti
tions in accordanca with the overtures were brought up
and approved of. Dr. Smyth. on the bringing up of
the petition for a repeal of the Roman Catholic Relief
Bill, engaged in prayer, in accordance with the resolu-
tion of last night. Dr. Fleming requested that be
might ex gratia be permitted to enter his dissent from
the overture on Roman Catholic Emancipation agreed
to last night after he left the Synod. Tile request, as
being informal, was not complied with.
An overture by Dr. Macfarlan that the Synod peti-
tion against the grant to the Popish College of May-
nooth, against the appointment of It man Catholic
Bishops and Priests in the colonies, and the establisi-
ment of Popery in distant parts of our possessions, and
against the encouragement given to Popery by recent
measures in reference to the Church of Ireland was then
read, and after some discussion agreed to.
The deputation from the Synod and the Presbytery
of Glasgow having now gone to meet with the Town
Council, it was proposed to go on with the next busi-
ness, which was that of a reference from the Presby-
tery of Paisley as to the case of Mr. Brewster and
Mr. Ribble. It was, horrerer, stated, that there was a
previous dissent and complaint from one of the members
of the Paisley Presbytery in respect to the finding of
the Presbytery in this case, and that it would he re-
quisite to hear parties with shut doors. The result
was, that the matter was remitted back to the Presby-
tery of Paisley, to proceed in the case according to the
laws of the Church.

The business of the Synod having been finished, the
next meetin., was fixed to take place :it Irvine, on the
Second 'Tuesday of October next, and the Synod ad-
journed.