The Sun.
London, England, 1863-07-24 00:00:00

DENMARK AND GERM ANY.

Mr. S. FITZGERALD said he was unwilling the
session to come to a close without endeavouring
to obtain from her Majesty's Government some ex-
planation with reference to the present condition of
matters between the German Confederation and the King-
dom of Denmark. The Consolidated Fund (Appropriation)
Bill made ample provision for the diplomatic service of the
country, and, amongst important places involved, Frank•
fort and Copenhagen held a principal place. He
regretted that while the friendly relations between other
Powers appeared to be only strengthened, those between
the Germanic Confederation and the Government appeared
to be embittered. He considered that the federal occupa-
tion of Holstein would be moat menacing to Europe, if
Denmark resisted it. He thought it would be important
to know what steps her Majesty's Government would take
under the circumstances.
Lord PALMERSTON said this was one of the most
complicated subjects that ever engaged the attention of
statesmen in Europe. He should not enter into details of
what was called the Schleswig-Holstein affair, which was
involved in the utmost obscurity of former times. The
German advocates referred back to 1640 as the ground on
which they maintained stricter relations between Schleswig
and Holstein than those admitted by Denmark or any
other Powers, He entirely agreed with the hon. gentleman
(Mr. Fitzgerald) that it was a matter of British policy to
maintain the independence and integrity of the Danish
monarchy. It was not a large one, but it had its rights as
well as larger States, and its geographical position rendered
it the more important to this country that these rights
Should be secured. The position the Government had always
held was, that Holstein was a member of the German Con-
federation,
and that that Confederation had a control over
the affairs
of Holstein as it had over other members of the
Germanic Confederation, and that any arrangement made
I:_t_
the King of Denmark, opposed to this fundamental rule,
not justifiable, But they held that, with regard to
'n
Schleswig, the German Confederation
the Germanic C had no control, and
Confederation bad no more right to prescribe
rules for it than
other separate and pain,Portugal, England, Russia, or any
Schleswig
was
aindependent State. They held that
matter of European arrangement. But still
there were
many Germans there, and the Government held
that the German Confederation had a right to represent, if
such a case existed, that hat the German inhabitants were not
an equal placed upon tooting with the subjects of Denmark.
Each matters ought
not,
toa however, under any circumstances,
to justify an appeal s rmats. (Hear, hear.) As to Holstein,
the last stage only w
tion, and that arose out of thewhieh was worthy of considera-
tion,
in March last. H patent issued by the King of
Garman Confederation e did not know what step the
he remembered that an anecdote intended to take on the matter, but
he desired that the Germanic Confederation
of Talleyrand, who when
a certain step which he consideredrrfederation should not take
France, recommended them not to might be injurious to
rate haste. Now precipitation was proceed with inconside-
the Germanic Confederation, but he was a characteristic of
w
good sense would prevent them from taking g sure that their
would be damaging to the peace of Enu a step which
n war broke out there, it must extend r°Pe' for if a
volve many other states in its disastrousrtner, and in-
As to the policy and course of the Governmentconeequnces.
as to these
disputes, he might say that the Government were
that the rights of Denmark should be nau desirous
that if any attempt were made to overthrow thoseowrights
that these matters would be subject for negotiationever"
and not for war. Every effort should be made b
her Majesty's Government to induce the patties to includey
all disputes within the limits of diplomatic intercourse.
(Hear, hear.) He had no doubt those efforts would be suc-
cessful, and he had no apprehensions of either immediate or
remote danger. (Cheers.)
THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA.—
PRIVATEERING.
Mr. COBDEN called attention to the exploits of the
Oreto alias the Florida, the Alabama alias the 290, and
the Japan alias the Virginia. The hon. gentleman hav•
log dwelt upon the provisions of the Foreign Enlistment
Act, and to the attacks which the above-named vessels had
made upon the merchandise of a friendly power, remarked
that every vessel which was captured by them was taken
note of by the American Government. In all cases the
e
value of the vessels seized were taken by
deposition
oath, and in all eases a claim was made for compensation
on this country. The Government always resisted thee
claims, but that was the most serious part of the mar,
and he contended that in such cases every man ought
to constitute himself a detective policeman in order
that these proceedings might be frowned down. By
every feeling of reciprocity towards the American people
we ought to strive to put down these illegal practices. He
thought there was every claim upon the Government to
prevent these armed vessels from leaving these shores. On
this point he constantly saw fallacies running through the

speeches of Earl Russell and the Solicitor-General, for they
constantly confounded two things, the evidence necessary to
detairj a vessel, and the evidence necessary to cony .In one

case a Confederate vessel went out with a pi,; ic party;
that Nivas a most deceptive act, and the Goverment might
have !prevented it by putting a Custom-:,AI: e officer on
board!. He hoped that by no technical evr sion another
vesse; for Confederate purposes would be all( wed to escape
from these shores. The terrors of the civil war in Ame-
rica were frightful, bat he hoped they would not be ex-
tendell by any connection with it on our part. All he asked
for was neutrality. (Cheers.) Whatever might be the
issue of this dreadful war, let England keep clear of it.
His voice would be mute, and what he asked was that Eng-

land should be silent and sorrowful until this dreadful civil

war was over.

Mr. LAIRD denied that the Alabama went out of
Liverpool in an improper way.
Mr. COBDEN said he quoted Lord Russell.
Mr. LAIRD said he was not responsible for what Lord
Russell said. She went out of dock in the broad daylight.
Mr. COBDEN—Did she take a clearance?
Mr. LAIRD—She did not require a clearance.
THE lONIAN ISLANDS.

Lord J. MANNERS complained of the conduct of the
Foreign Office in excluding Turkey from the proposed con-
ference to whom is to be referred the cession of the lonian
Islands to Greece. He should like to know whether Turkey
had made any demand to be admitted to the Conference.
He considered that the cession of the lonian Islands was
the most unpolitic, uncalled for, prejudicial Act ever com-
mitted.
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appeared to him that he and her Majesty's Government,
and he thought the country at large, started on the consi-
deration of the matter from a different point. He (the
noble lord) looked upon the two parties as in arms against
each other, and as such, belligerents, and therefore entitled
to all the rights and privileges of belligerents. That which
was running in the head of the hon. gentleman, and which
guided his reasoning, as well as his feeling, was that the
Union was in legal existence, that there were not two belli-
gerents, but a legitimate Government, and a rebellion
against that Government. Now, what was the duty of a
neutral with regard to two belligerents ? The American
Government had laid it down for themselves, for they had
laid it down that a neutral might supply a belligerent with
ships, arms, ammunition, or any thing else, although they
might be important ingredients in naval and military
operations. The hon. gentleman complained that her
Majesty's Government had not taken proper steps in
this matter, but had rested upon information derived
from the American Minister. He could assure the hon. gen-
-41eman that that was not the case, and he believed that the
lon, gentleman and the Federal Government were not en-
titled to say that the Government had omitted to do anything
law they could do in reference to this matter. At the same
time he thought this country ought to enforce its law in these
'matters as stringently as possible. With regard to the ques-
tion of the noble lord (Lord J. Manners; he said the Sultan was
not an acceding party to the protectorate. A treaty would be
signed by the Powers before the meeting of the lonian
Parliament.

CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)
BILL.
Thia bill was read a third time and passed.
AUGMENTATION OF BENEFICES BILL.

This bill, with some modifications, pastoed through com-
mittee,

The Ram Duty, the Clergyman (Colonies), the Super-
annuation (Union Officers), and the Alterations in Judges
Circuits Bills passed through committee.

The Colonial Acts Confirmation Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The sitting was then suspended.
At six o'clock the houso resumed.
BANKRUPTCY FEES.

In reply to three questions from Mr. COX, relative to
the remuneration to the Crown Solicitor in the Court of
Bankruptcy, and the terms of the order under which such
remuneration was made,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that the gross sum
he had mentioned on a former occasion as having been
paid to Mr. Aldridge; was only the sum paid from the
account standing in the frame of the Accountant-General
in Bankruptcy, and would not include sums paid to him
in respect to other branches of his employment, and
which were paid in the ordinary manner. The 'gross sum
received by Mr. Aldridge from all sources, during the first
year of his appointment, was £3,565 Bs. sd. ; and deducting
the disbursements, the net sum received was £1,519 7s. 10d.,
and the gross receipts daring the third half-year from all
sources was £1,689 Bs. Bd. ; and deducting the disburse-
ments, the net receipts for the third half-year was £663 Is.
11d. With regard to the second question, the facts were
these : The Lord Chancellor had originally made arrange-
ments for a single year's remuneration, but subject to revi-
sion after the working of that year. On looking at the ac-
count of the last half-year of the first year, the Lord Chan-
cellor said that a larger sum had been received than he had
anticipated would be the case, and therefore in December,
11862, he directed Ddir Aldridge to be told that his remunera-
tion for the future should not exceed two-thirds of the for-
mer amount received under the original arrangement. The
future remuneration of Mr. Aldridge would not exceed
£1,200 a year, including everything.
NEW ZEALAND.

In reply to Mr. W. FORSTER,
Mr. FORTESCUE said no application had been made
by the Governor of New Zealand to the Governor-General
of India. But the facts were these : The Governor of New
Zealand, Sir G, Grey, had by the last mail written home to
the effect that he had great reason to apprehend that the
murder of the officers and soldiers of one of her Majesty's
regiments would be the signal fora renewal of the war, and
a formidable attack by the natives upon the European set-
tlers; and he made an urgent application to her Majesty's
Ministers to increase the force in New Zealand by the ad-
dition. of one European regiment and of two regiments of
Sikh troops from India; it being the opinion of military
men in New Zealand who had served in India that those
troops would be well adapted for New Zealand warfare.
Her Majesty's Government had bad that application under
consideration; and, in consequence of the critical condition
of the colony, they had come to the decision that it ought
to be complied with.
COURT-MARTIAL AT MHOW.

In reply to two questions from Mr. CONINGHAM,
The Marquis of HARTINGTON said there was no ob-

jection to lay upon the table a copy of the warrant granted
to the Commander-in-Chief in India, confirming the sen-
tence on general courts-martial on officers. Lieut. Fitzai-
mon had not yet been removed from the adjutancy of the
Enniskillen Dragoons, and if the hon, member referred to
Army List, he would see his name still appeared there as
adjutant of the regiment. It was true, however, that Lieut.
Fitzsimon had been suspended by Col. Crawley, subject to
the sanction of the Commander-in-Chief, who declined to
take any further action in the matter until the conclusion of
the crurt•martial on Col. Crawley, which was to take place
in this country. One of the most important points the court-
martial would have to decide would be the difference be-
tween the statements of Col. Crawley and Lieut. Fitzsimon.
He thought, therefore, the Commander-in-Chief was per-
fectly right in not sanctioning, in the meantime, the sus-
pension of Lieut. Fitzsimon.
Mr. BOUVERIE said that two memorandums had al-
ready been laid before the house. Now, the second of those
memorandums had been produced at his (Mr. Bouverie's)
request. That memorandum was marked "private," and
was not the document which he desired to obtain. Indeed
he did not think it ought ever to have been published. He
now wished to know whether there was another document
signed by the Adjutant-General ; and, if so, whether there
would be any objection to its production ?
The Marquis of HARTINGTON said that a consider-
able amount of correspondence had passed upon the sub-
ject. He did not think it would be fair or convenient that
he should produce one:out of a series of documents. (Hear.)
If the hon. member wished to move for the production of
the whole of the papers, the Secretary of State would con-
sider whether the request could be complied with, but under
the circumstances, he thought it would be an unfair pro-
ceeding to produce one document out of the entire series.
THE MURDEROUS ASSAULT IN A RAILWAY