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He would not make a single comment on the letter, but Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Speaker would declare
leave it entirely to the consideration of she House. He his opinion of what was necessary to be done under the cir-
was, however, exceedingly anxious that it should be under- cumstances, the Noble Baronet not deeming it necessary
stood he bad made no reflection whatever upon Sir P. to make any apology.
Malcolm. The SPEAKER said this was the first time he ever
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the House would expect knew of an Hon. Member coming down to the House with
him to say a few words in reply to the Hon. and Gallant a Newspaper, and referring to reports of speeches contained
Admiral who had just sat down. He would address a few in them, and endeavouring to found upon them questions
words to the House in behalf of Sir Pultney Malcolm, for it applicable to the individual to whom the words were
was in defence of his Gallant Friend on a former evening attributed, and which seemed to imply that
that he had attempted to address the House. As he un- he was looking to ulterior purposes. That he must
derstood whathad fallen from the Hon. and Gallant Admiral say extended greatly beyond anything he had ever
opposite, he now retracted every charge reflecting experienced. If anything was said to which the Honour-
on the honour of Sir Pultney Malcolm. As he understood able and Gallant Officer wished to take exception, it ought
him, he said he did not use the words which cer- to have been taken at the time.—(Hear, hear.) And
tainly he (Sir James Graham) had seen reported under these circumstances, he thought the House was
generally ; and seeing them reported, relying on his recol- called upon to require from the Gallant Officer an assure
lection, he thought he had heard them—(" Hear, hear," ante that no ulterior purposes were intended.—(Calls for
from the Tory Benches)—but since the Hon. and Gallant Sir Edward Codrington.)
Officer opposite had withdrawn them, he was bound to be- Sir E. CODRINGTON was ready to say this much,
hese he did not hear them, namely, that Sir P. Malcolm that he did not hear those words. The Hon. Baronet
had spoken very freely of him, and had said that which was would not deny them ; and if not, then he adopted them.
not true.—(" Hear" from the same quarter.) The Gallant Sir R. INGLIS said the Hon. and Gallant Officer had
Admiral had positively denied that, and after that denial he the same opportunity of hearing the words as any
was quite satisfied on the assurance of the Gallant Admiral other Honourable Member. If he heard them he ought to
that he did not use those words. That would be satisfac- have noticed them at the time. If he did not hear them
tory to the House, satisfactory to the country, and satis- then he (Sir R. Inglis) submitted that the discussion ought
factory to his Gallant Friend. The Gallant Officer oppo- not to proceed further, the Hon. Member having stated
site had said he was anxious to uphold the character of the that he was not responsible for anything that might appear
profession to which he belonged. There could not be a in the Newspapers.—(Loud cries of Hear, hear, hear.)
more legitimate object, since he was sure the character Admiral ADAM thought it quite impossible that the
of an Admiral could not be a matter of indifference to the Hon. Baronet could have used these expressions, because
representatives of the British people. How stood the he was not in the Admiralty at the time Sir P. Malcolm
matter with regard to the two charges that had been made had been recalled.
against his Gallant Friend ? First, it had been said that Sir Mr. C. W. WYNN said the Hon. Baronet was called
P. Malcolm had allowed guns of the battle of Navarino to be on to say whether he adopted or denied what ap-
fished up and considered as prize-money. What was the peered in a Newspaper.—( Hear.) That was a call
exact meanir'r of the words prize-money ? Professional which no Hon. Gentleman had a right to make on another ;
men in the House knew it perfectly—it was that all officers, and, after the speeches of threat that had been held out,
the Admiral included, shared in that money. The alle- the House was entitled to call on the Gallant Officer to say
gation therefore stood, that Sir P. Malcolm shared in that that be did not intend to take any ulterior steps.—(Hear.)
prize-money.—(Loud cries of hear, bear.) How stood Sir R. INGLIS moved that Sir E. Codrington be called
the fact as now admitted by the Gallant Officer? upon by the Chair.
Whv, that the guns were fished up by certain boat's crew of There were here loud cries for Sir E. Codrington, who
his Majesty's ship Asia, which was the flag-ship of the suddenly rose and said—Sir, I move the next Order of the
Gallant Admiral at the battle of Navarino ; and under the Day.—(Much laughter.)
authority of Sir P. Malcolm, not sharing them as prize The SPEAKER said the Hon. and Gallant Officer had
money, they were divided among the boat's crew who had placed his demand on grounds that were utterly untenable,
picked them up. Now as to the second charge, which was that as no Hon. Member ought to be held responsible for what
he had employed the King's ships to convey the stores of appeared in the Newspapers. He was sure the Gallant
which the house of Sir P. Malcolm was built in Greece. As Officer's own feeling would suggest to him the propriety of
to the policy or impoticy of building that house, that was complying with the call of the House.
beside the question. The Gallant Admiral admitted the Mr. H. PALMER said the sense of the House having
correctness of what Sir P. Malcolm stated. The question been expressed, he thought the Gallant Admiral opposite
was, did he build the house on speculation, and building it ought to make some further statement, and thus prevent
on speculation, did he employ the King' ships to convey the Serjeant at Arms interfering.
the stores ? Sir P. Malcolm said, on his honour as an officer, Mr. C. W. WYNN trusted the Hon. and Gallant Mem-
that he freighted a Greek brig from Malta for the purpose of ber opposite would state that he would take no further no-
conveying those stores. There were two exceptions to that tice of the matter, because the House had full power, and
—the window-frames and doors, which were manufactured would enforce it, to prevent ulterior consequences.
at Malta with particular care and at great expense ; Mr. ROEBUCK would put it to the Right Hon. Bare'
and Captain Lyons, of his Majesty's ship Illadagas- net, whether it would not be better to do that which would
car, seeing them about to be embarked with the allay any ill feelings that might arise out of the debate,
other public stores in the Greek brig, said, that, in —namely, answer the question put.
order to take greater care of them, he would convey Mr. WOOD thought the Gallant Admiral had putt
them in the frigate, and Captain Lyons, as a mark of good- question in a way that the Right Honourable Gentleman
will to his Admiral, conveyed them in his own cabin. was bound to answer. If he stood in the situation
He had now gone through two public charges, and he had the Right Hon. Baronet, he believed he would sayA t t
answered them. Having done so he did not wish to resume the Gallant. Admiral behind him had not attempted to
any thing of the angry tone of the debate of the other night, whisper away the character of Sir P. Malcolm.—(Cheers.)
but after what had passed, considering the high character of After a considerable discussion whether both Hon. Mena-
Sir P. Malcolm, considering how precious the character hers should not be taken into custody,
of such a man must be, he could not allow even Mr. D. W. HARVEY observed that strangers were in.
a slur to be cast upon it without observation. He would the gallery.
now call time attention of the House to who this highly Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
talented officer was. Much had been said both in and out During the exclusion of strangers from the gallery,
of that House of officers being raised through the interest lengthened discussion took place, of which the following we
of friends and connections : such, however, was not the case believe, to be a correct summary.
with Sir Pultney Malcolm. He was the son of a humble Mr. WYNN said the question was, whether there was ever
sheep farmer, and had won his fame, as his brother also had a case in which the House had exercised its power to compel
anf explanation,d or to insist on the recal of
that
used on
as
done, without the aid of powerful friends. He had risen to the
raotutnhcle,tivinize.,? an explanation
honour honours of his profession by his own exertions, and his
shouldrm always y 'anble demanded atiis n
dg
till the other night had never even been questioned ; Lord JOHN RUSSELL—If the Right Hon. Baronet had
he enjoyed a spotless reputation, and possessed the friendship refused to adopt or deny the language of a former debate, then
not only of the great men that were at present in existence, but the Right Hon. Gentleman was right. But the Right Hon.
of those who had departed. He was the comrade in arms of Member appeared to forget that the Right Hon. Member for
the gallant Nelson, and in the last action in which that great Cumberland (Sir J. Graham) had adopted the correctness of
man was engaged, he commanded a ship called the Happy the words used to-night.
Donegal. He had the friendship of the first General of The question was then put, that Sir Edward Codrington be
the day (the Duke of Wellington). He had the honour committed to the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms.
of conveying in the ship under his command the hero of Mr. JERVIS stated that it had been moved by the Hon.
Nsfierm
jbaemrefosrGßrarLdgewbater, that.t Sdir yrdwtredrefCodringtons:t:
Assaye.—(Hear, hear.) At the special desire of the
Witr eEdward
Duke of Wellington, the flag of Sir Pultney Malcolm was
was now to be Graham be
etlemetm
flying at Ostend, when the destinies of the convulsed world odrioore,totnhe question
was
mitted, then he (Mr. Jervis) should move the Codrington be
of
were decided in the field of Waterloo. As a conqueror, he the debate.
became the friend of the conquered. His flag wasat St. Helena Upon the Speaker putting the question of adjournment,
during the time Napoleon was there ; and by the cordiality of Sir ROBERT INGLIS rose, and claimed precedence to
his disposition and manners, he not only obtained the confi- a motion of his, namely, that Sir Edward Codrington be called
donee but won the affections of that great man, who in his upon to explain.
last moments acknowledged his kindness and generosity. Sir E. KNATCHBULL objected to the adjournment.
He trusted the discussion, whatever other effect it would that it would leave the Hon. Members free to take that course
P have, would leave the honour of Sir P. Malcolm untar-
which it was the unanimous wish of the House to prevent. In
nisbed by anything that had taken place.—(Cheers.) So
the event of the question being carried, there was nothing to
much for what related to Sir P. Malcolm and something
prevent hostile proceedings. He believed he was correct a
,saioatt ltie first mation of hoste p'
had fallen from the Gallant Officer relative to himself' ceeded tfhrm
.he Gallant Admiral.—(il Dissentroceedin frogs m Si hadr
E.
It did so happen that lie (Sir James Graham) was not pre- Codrington.) If, therefore, the Gallant Admiral would sa;
sent during any part of the discussion, until within a minute tisfy the House on this point, then his Right Hon. Friend
of the close of the speech of the Gallant Admiral. No could rise and remove all apprehension on his part.
sooner had he taken his seat on that bench than the Mr. JERVIS saw the consequence of persisting in his
Gallant Officer opened a sharp fire on him and introduced amendment would be as was stated by the Right Honourable
that subject, and without any premeditation or a moment's Member for Kent, and he should, therefore, withdraw it.
reflection, he had been compelled to rise and answer the Amendment withdrawn.
Gallant Admiral. Now he spoke under the correction of Lord J. RUSSELL said, as an Hon. Friend of his had
the Speaker, who if he had stated anything contrary to the said, the Right Hon. Gheentllaesmarci badb admitted the rinareicrtai
rules of the House would have checked and corrected him ; nesswns of
thereforet report
entitled of t
to asktwheetter, the
use Gallantany expres;
and certainly the Speaker had never found him unwilling :
sions derogatory to the character of the Gallant Admiral'
to obey his authority. If even the Speaker had omitted From frequent experience, when matters of this description
to check him, he would have been called to order by the came before the House, it was necessary to take them uP'
Members on the other side. The Gallant Officer had not Some explanation the Noble Lord apprehended must be give'
interrupted him on Thursday—he had seen him in his place Sir J. GRAHAM thought that the selection of a paragraph
on Friday, and had not asked for any explanation, and at from a report some days afterwards, and then putting it sate
that moment he could not state the precise words he had gorically to him, did you say so and so, was in violation 01
used. Speaking generally, he should say that the reports the rules of the House, which he felt it his duty to maintain'
in the Morning Papers were accurate, but he thought they He would strain a point to prevent misunderstanding, but
to
had given him a much better speech than he (Sir J. Gra- this occasion he entertained so strong an opinion of the 01_
ham) was able to make. He had nothing to retract—
rectness of the course he was taking, that he felt bound to
ct the proposal of the Noble Lord. If he felt bound to re'
nothing to withdraw—he had not violated any of the rules i ect the firrsetpproposal, it was the more necessary to reject that
of the House ; and he therefore felt that he had nothing to now made. - -
explain.—(Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL did not think there was anything de-
Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON hoped that the rogatory in his proposal, either to the Right Hon. Gentleman
cheers which had attended the speech of the Honour- or the Gallant Admiral. But if all explanation were refused'
able Baronet having then subsided, the House would allow then it would appear that there was no alternative but to Pre"
him to give some explanation of the matter ; he had ceed with the motion.
endeavoured to be as mild as possible to Sir Pultney Mr. POULTER and Mr. PRYME said a few words. ,
Malcolm, believing, as he did, his word of honour. Lord STANLEY hoped that he should be able to 'atolls
the House and the Gallant Admiral. He could, be thoug.„'
He had stated that most distinctly, and he cared
meet one difficulty. He believed, indeed, he could state frc''''
not for the sneers or cheers of the opposite side. his own knowledge., that his Right Hon. Friend did not stl"
He was bound to say that the Hon. Baronet had made persede the Gallant Admiral on the grounds stated in tilt'
some most gross allusions, which he ought not to have Report. a
done.—(Hear, hear.) Being then at the head of the Mr. CURTEIS said that the Gallant Admiral, who had
Admiralty, he ought to have known the Asia sever shrunk from danger, even when cannon balls mart'
came to England, and half her crew drafted. State- rattling around him like hailstones, should at once yield to and
ments were made to him by the people who had served course the House dictated. be
under him in the battle, that others who had not Sir E. CODRINGTON then rose and said, that a,T9
been in the battle had shared the money as prize- understood the Speaker had decided that the Right ti°o(
money. He then corrected the statement, believing, as Member for Cumberland could not, according to the rules.ho
he did, the word of Sir P. Malcolm. Did it then the House, answer his interrogatory, and as he heard that ;elf
words alluded to had not been used, he should place him ai
become the Honourable Baronet to taunt him in
in the hands of the House and fulfil its pleasure. He felt veer
such a manner as he had done ? The Honourable strongly—hardly too strongly, he thought—for the honour: °e.
Baronet had not directly answered the question which had an officer of the navy ought not to be suspected. Not
been put to him. He would then distinctly ask him—had would ever induce him, no pains, no penalties, nothing that taio
he used the words imputed to him or not He would House could do, to submit to the slightest imputation on P
read them again. honour. Saying this, he should the ouse.
vi ee'
The SPEAKER understood that exceptions were taken The SPEAKER trusted that thediscusson would Ile die
to particular expressions used by the Hon. Baronet ; if minate to the satisfaction of the Gallant Admiral an" 0.,
such was the case, they ought to have been taken at the House. No one could hold any Member responsible felioti.
moment. pressions used in debate. He believed he stated the semi,
Sir E. CODRINGTON scarcely understood the posi- ments of the House when he said that as the discussion
inated it►
be satisfactory to all arties.
_biec,
tion in which he stood. The Hon. Baronet had spoken ge- S ter
Sir JAMESmust p GRAHAM stated that he had then no to
nerally, but he had not at all answered the question. What
he (Sir E. Codrington) wanted to know was, whether thiiomn.to say that he had not made use of the words attribute
ec‘'
he had made use of these words or not. The report stated Motion was then by leave withdrawn, and the subj
him to have said that "he (the Honourable Baronet) did dropped.
not listen to insinuations and charges made in the way
those against Sir P. Malcolm were," &c. He (Sir
Edward Codrington) had a character at stake as well as
Sir P. Malcolm ; and he hoped the House would allow
him to explain the whole matter ; for in a subsequent
part of the report the Hon. Baronet was made to
say that he (Sir E. Codrington) had been superseded in
the command of the channel fleet by Sir P. Malcolm,
and that the Honourable Baronet had so superseded
him on account of these insinuations.—(Hear.) He
wished to ask him whether he had so superseded him on the
grounds so stated ? He put a direct question, and, not-
withstanding the cheerers, he trusted the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet would give a direct answer.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM was not answerable for any of
the reports which appeared in the Newspapers. The Gallant
Officer was present, he heard the statement, and had an
opportunity then of asking for an explanation. Notwith-
standing all his respect for the House, he firmly but
most respectfully refused now to give any explanation of
the words used by him.
Sir CHARLES ADAM having been referred to so
directly, felt bound to say, that many of the words attri-
buted to him, in the report alluded to, had never been
uttered• by him.
Captain DUNDAS considered, after what had taken
place, the Hon. Baronet opposite was bound to give some
explanation of the language used by him. Had there been any
attempt to whisper away the character of Sir P. Malcolm
for three years, he must have heard of it, and he would have
been the first to call for an explanation from the Gallant
Admiral.
Sir J. BERESFORD thought that charge was the best
eulogy on Sir P. Malcolm,

CANADA.

On our return to the gallery we found
Mr. ROEBUCK asking Lord John Russell witether: it ate
his Lordship's intention to bring forward the adjourned dythig
on the subject of Lower Canada the first thing to-rrAorroW
day end-
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that whether the adieurnd
bate'would come on to-morrow (Tuesday) entirely dePo.roll
upon those Hon. Members who had notices for tni3Osi"
giving way and consenting to being them on on li° ivor-
He would endeavour to bring on the adjourned debate Wo-tices
row ; it was his intention, at all events, after these °Lover
should be disposed of, that the resolutions relating to
Canada should be the first business of the night. oleo'
Mr. LEADER was understood to give notice that wove
ever the debate should come on, it was his intention to order'
that the discussion should be postponed for six months, ~in„t• tad
that time might be given fur an amicable adjustme"an-ap,,
questions in dispute between this country and Lower C aisT
SUPPLY. A 30-a
The Order of the Day having been read, I,llr- re
RUSSELL moved that the Ordnance Estimates beAg
to a Committee of Supply.—Agreed to. Chair
The question that the Speaker do leave the,
then put.

AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. veer
Sir HENRY HARDING E did -not feel that it 105 till
nary for him to apologise to the House for occupying It
o
in calling its attention to the state of affairs in the '6'overl''
Spain, and also to the manlier in which his Majestysmltly ohe'
merit was involved in the transactions that had rec— tye
curred there. Ile would not discuss the question 5, 0144:
propriety or impropriety of entering into the _c
Quadr!kos
Treaty, or of the additional articles to that treaty,
Member , I,''.,,berr
his Noble Friend the ember for Hertford, and other 111ritioll
on that side of the House, had already called th? tOsi
of the flouso to the subject with much greater übill