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bad been mrele up to that period ; -butnot to accede
to any other that had since been called tor.
,Conces-,
hit; opiniou; had gone as far as was compa-
till, with the security of the Constitution in Church
and. Statp ; and nothing should bring him to endan-
ger that security, by yielding to flutter claims of
the Catholics.
The Duke of NORFOLK contended, that the No=
ble Secretary was doing that whiChhe.himself was
reprobating id"` oil-tea-Jot: '''was pierudging
question, 4,the tone he assumed, Meultirnately.de—
cidieg Un I:te claims of the Catholics* 'lf the Judges
decided that the, Catholics were ineligible, be-would
ni,ive that the law' be • altered on the,subjelit, if his
Noble Vi tend, who made the motion, should. not
think 'proper bido se.'
Lad LA UDERPALEridiculed the. idea, that should
the Proprietors of the &Ink of Ireland choose a Ca-
tholie: as Diregor or Governor, the Catholic 'had
eedSi at law if the Protestantlapposed,his appoint-
trent. Was it by this long endlescconrse.oflitiga,
tion that the point in question Was.to .be brought •to
a decision before t he Legislature—betbrethat House?
• Nothing could he more absurd.
• ' The Loan efiAI.:CELLOR couldmot see any useful:
result that was likely to arise from consulting the ,
Judges on this point.' The•House.should first ask
themselves if they were prepared to alter the lair as
it now stood. He could not think,-they were, aftel-'
rill, that had so recently. passed upon this subject.
For his own :part he would speak out: It. was his
firm and decided opioion, that, concession to the
Catholics had gone tar enoegh. EartherconCession
Would net ',be consistent iwith the security of the
Civil, religious, and political liberties of this Pro-
testatd State:. • On this point he shyuld take Russell
anti .Sidney for his .example and guide; and with
them he would, stand against.. any 'dangerous en-
croachment on the Established Religion, or the Con-
stitution, as it was settled in Church and State. At
the same time, he was not prepared to say, that the
Catholic was to be necessarily excluded during the
whole of the period for which the charter of ,the
Bank was.to last. Neither the Bank of England
nor the Bank of Ireland had any right from their
charter to insist upon such a power; nor would he
deAy Alen at. any time it was not competent to the
• tettl;,erate 'wisdom of the Legislature. to.. do' away
• such ex ;ltasion.
Lord tIoLLAND combated the.argurnents of the
l'Sloble.and Learned Lord on theWoolsaek, and also
'those of the Noble „Secretary of State., The Noble
'and Learned Lord did not argue in the spirit of Sid-
my an t [lessen ;. and if the Noble Secretary and his
friends thought proper to make their:stand on the
itcc i 'Jetta), it would have been but fair in them
to hat e made ptahlia, their, sentiments' at the time
that .Att was. preparing, and not to lidsieheld out
a very Jaren:int language, in order to gain the co-'.
operation of the Irish Catholics, iii ith accemplish-
ment.

Lord SPENCER and Lord ROSSLYN supported the
same side of the question, and they were replied to,
andsopposed by Lords Harrowby and Mulgrave,
The Earl of ROSSLYN thought it e6beetially de,
hirable, that where doubts existed as to the con-
,Amato') of laws about to be continued, those doubts
should be removed: No persoir could argue against
the removal of the doubts existing in, the case before
their Lordships; but those who' thought it matter of
perfett indifference whether Catholics; should or
should not be Direetors of the Bank of Ireland. To
those who were adverse to the aclmissiomot Catholics
to the dire4tion, and to thoie who were friendly to
thae‘atimission, the removal .4f the doubts confirmed
. hy 'i he very provisos of the present Bill, for'preserv,
log to the Catholics the full enjoyment of the rights
grained in I 03, by the Mt of the Irish Parliament,
was matterof the greatest importance.
.Lord GRENVtL.Liej in reply, took a general review
of all the argurnentsHurgecl against his. motion.----
The greatest Law Authorities below .the Beath, en-
tertained doubts on the construction of tne•lrish laW
o 1.70,1, -favour of %the Catholics, so far as it re-
Idivor to the point in question. :-,When a- law of
h;olitinuance, or a law of amendrnenti-was to be
lea.cd, the first thing to be deneoiccordinr. to the
principle laid' down by Lord Mansfield, upon the
, jaw. of libel, and subsequently confirmed by Lord
Therlow, was to ascertain the law as it existed.—
' How infinitely better would it be to ascertain the
haw either by the'opinion of the Judge's.; or by legal
provision, if the opitiions of the J.ldges should be
*ltch as still to leave a doubt, than to give room for
/ a contested eleClion, and for tedious, expensive,.
i/exaticies, and irritating litigation Upon the issue of
that coriteg,
.He very forcibly ridicukd the idea of
4eciding tins qnestion by trial M 'be. Courts of Law,
and the opinions of the Judges, or
.appeal to the
•f-louse of Lords. With up.v..ardsinf one hundred
pi•ecediqg appeals now pencling before their, Lord-
ships, when could this one come to be decided.
pc more Utah doubted besides/ whether,. if the pre-
- Ant opportunit‘y passed by, and the Bill should be
.passed without removing 'the doubt, he feared the
whole thirty years for which the charter was renew
led would go by without repealing the exclusion.,
though it was asserted, that that; woukl be perleOly
fatty sit any time when it should seem advisrable.--,
siionie persons would always be found, who, like
the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack,
thinking the admission or Catholics to be DireCtors
of tie Aiank Of Upland dangerons to the Constitu-
tion, and to. the State, which was the, security for
money inyesta on Bank Stud:, would object to an
alteration in the Charter so contrary to their teett4.
On these grounds he would take tne- sense of their
. Lordships upon iris motion.
Their Lordships divided,
CeliteniS for the mot*, prcbetit . 16-Proxies t 7-33.
Vat•eontents against the =den; prescnt 4z-Plexiessz-94.
. .
On the motion of the garl of SMOLK, it was
ordeid:atit:i-'someobservatiotis froni Lords Hawkes-
bury and Holland, that there should, he laid before
the 1-Ibuse an Account of all Danish Ships detained
previous to the 'declaration of war, with a_view to"
Coll'itie attention of 'their Lordships to the Athoutit.
and Disposal 'of the. DrUit6 of
Unied.

HOUSE OF''
THU.IISDAY, JUNE 16.
The Braiil 'aide Bill, the Prowiisory Note Be.
strietion Bill, and the Hackney-coach Bill, were read
third Cale 'and 'pased.
!rho Sub-clviiion Clerks Bat went through a Corn-
mirtee, (hp Iteport. cif which was 'ordered to be re.
cr:vived to..;Enurvow, ' ' •