The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-12 00:00:00

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letter, said that in his opinion the shores. of
let is country were left too much rtnproteef ted..
It was unbecoming such a great nation that our
merchants should be left without protection, and that *our
shores should be left without • any one to take cam dee
' -them. He felt that more perhaps than any other Merebert
present, because he represented the eastern part of Kent .
which most probably would be the first attacked.—(Loutl
laughter.) He must protest against the vote as an insuf- I
ficient one, and he thought that more ships should be im-
mediately put into commission.
Mr. HUME wished to make a few observations upon
smallestte
that extraordinary debate.—(Laughter.) There seemed
Itobe a race of extravagance on both sides of the House, '
not
o(nLdaeurgthhteer.)
a•Tal the Hon. Gentleman who had spoken last was the
worse set. the whole lot with the exception of his Hon.
Friend tties Membmerefroerßeitrs weremingh am.
believed the; the ha
alarm—not unoler half the alarm—under which his Hon.
Friend laboured. Where was the money to come from by
which such expense was to be paid, pressed as this country
was by taxation. The House, be was sure, was not
acting in the way in which the people expected them.
This country was too fond of meddling with every body's
business:but its own. He was sorry that the Government
should have been led into unnecessary expenses. How- i
ever, on the Report he would express his sentiments more
fully than he could at that latehour—past I2—with respect 4
to the extravagances into which the Government had been
seduce:C. He bad heard no reason why our establishments 1.
pow should he greater than they were ten years back.
Sir J RAE RE ID said the merchants of this country
were higiq dissatisfied with the want of p rotection which
they experienced from the naval administration ; our trade
was in consequence much injured, several ships had re-
turned from Mexico, with their cargoes on board.
Mr. W 0 L VER L i.' Y ATTWOOD wished particu-
larly to advert to one point, on which he believed
depended, in a great measure, the :efficiency of theNiavy_
he meant the condition of lb.' shipwrights in her Ma-
jesty's dock-yards—who were wens, off than the ship-
wrights in the merchants dock-yards. One thing
these discussions on naval matters had rendered
quite plain that no administration would be able here-
after, in this country, if when any emergency arose,
there was not a naval force adequate to meet it, to ex-
cuse themselves by referring to the restrictions of eco-
nomy.—( Hear.)
Mr. WA RBURTON expressed his astonishment that
from the tone of these discussions there would seem to be
no desire fur the blessings of peace—no wish to avoid the
recurrence of those heavy taxes which were inflicted on
the people of this country.
Captain BOLDER() adverted to the unfair treatment
of the Marines, who were compelled to count two years
ashore for one afloat, towards, a pension, and to pay 255.
for every great-coat they had, whereas every soldier in the
army had a great coat once in two or three years.
Sir T. TRO ÜBRIDGE said that the regulation with
respect to great-coats was made before he was born.—
( Hear, and laughter.)
The resolution wee then agreed to.
After a few observations from
.Mr. HUME, a vote for
wages of 1,080,089/. was then agreed to. Also, a vwe
for victuals, of 146,6251., was agreed to. The House
then resumed. Resolutions to be reported to-morrow.
IRISH OUTRAGES.
On the motion of Mr. LEFROY, the adjourned debate
on the Irish outrages was resumed.
Mr. LEFROY was exceedingly sorry at the present
late hour to trespass upon the attention of the House ;
but cansidering the situation in which he stood he
felt bound to do so. He would not now
go into the general subject of the debate es the i
details were nearly exhausted, but he felt bound to call back 1
the attention of the House to the charges made by the i
Hon. Member fer Dublin, against a Noble Lord who had
large possessions in the county of Longford. He regretted
that the lion. Member for Dublin was not in his place,
because he had given notice to him that it was his in- !,
tention to call in question the statements the
he had made, and he did so upon the evidence which
had Leen given before the Committee upon Fictitious
Votes. The Learned Member then read the evidence of I
Lord Lorton's agent before the Fictitious Votes' Corn-
mittee, from which it appeared that Lard Lorton, in con-
sequence
of the estate being over-peopled, had been corn_ k
pelted to rend away several families, but to each person
,thus sent away a sum of money had been given ny way of re-
muneration, with which all seemed perfectly satisfied. There •
was but one Protestant introduced upon the estate, he was
named Rock, and had been located there, to introduce the
cultivation of fl.:x ; before he had been there a month he
was murdered, and the improvements were stopped. The 1
House should understand that this property was not a por-
tion
of Lord Lorton's hereditary estate, therefore he was t
not responsible far the previous letting—it was natural he f
should be desirous to clear his estate of bad characterhse, t
rile' t i
noon-day, and afterwards scoffed at the ividow c2t heir)mr ! such as those who had committed this murder
dered man when she sought assistance--(Hear,
him to
—but every one had means given to
and there was nothing in Lord Lorton's conduct to ex- .
emigrate or seek his living in some otheer why? ,'
tenuate the outrages. He would ask the Noble Lord op.
posite, who seemed to agree in opinion with Mr. DrWth-
mond whether their new edition of Captain Rock's code
—(oh, oh 1 from the Ministerial benches. answered by
cheers from the Opposition)—prohibited the landlords cf.
Ireland from making any improvements in their property, .
on pain of being held responsible for every outrage which
might be committed. He would appeal to the Ho-
nourable Member for Roscommon whether a more be-
nevolent landlord was to be found than Lord Lorton.
There was no instance of his having advertised his lands 1.
to let them at a rack-rent. There were at least 300 of :
the constituency of the county of Roscommon on Lie
estate—of these five-sixths were Roman_ Catholics, and
there was no instance of one of them having voted con- .:;
trary to his wishes.—(Ministerial cheers.) He under- i
stood that cheer, but he thought it was better that
these tenants should vote at the wish of a i.,,:•nevolent land-
lord than at the dictation of a domineering priesthood.
—(Tory cheers.) Lord Lorton bad a large nuzOber of ;
dispensaries and other charitable establishments on his pro-
perty, and employed on the average 300 labourers con -
sternly, expending between 5,0001. and 6,0001. a year ol'i -
the improvement of his estates.—( Hear, hear.) Was that :
a man who would treat hisitenantry with harshness or -in-
justice? The fact was that he was proverbial for his at-
tention to the wants and comforts of his tenants. With t
respect to the particular case before the House, it was
plain, even from the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's'
statement that no imputation rested upon Lord Lorton. i
He would read to the House the statement of an adverse
newspaper, which would establish that point. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman then read an extract from the
paper, detailing the facts which have been already alluded
to in the debate on this subject. He concluded that the
landlord was perfectly justified in obtaining possession of
the house after an agreement had been signed to deliver it
up. .The Learned Sergeant then referred to the manner iti
which the lion. and Learned Member for Dun° stated
the caw. Ile had sated that there was a lease hen! by the i
widow Murphy, of which forty years were yet urn, xVited•
Now there was not a word of that kind—neither that s.'le
was required to give up the lease, and refused to do so— ,
nor that the landlord took a party to tear down the twine. o
, Now the landlord was not there at all; but the
1 agent was, end the house certainly was pulled down.
The lion. and Learned Member had also stated, " that
the son at last signed a paper, on the assurance that his
mother should be left in the house." Now the son signed
the paper iii the first instance, and without any such assu- I
ranee. As for the counsel, whose speech the Hon. and il
Learned Member read, the counsel merely spoke accord- i
ing to his instructions. Make the most of the C2,50--•it I
was all attributable to the blunder of an agent, who had
made an agreement for the surrender of the house,
instead of for giving up the lease, or he might
afterwards had brought his action of ejectment. Ho
(Mr. Lefroy) admitted that be had not yet received from 1
Ireland the full evidence which he expected, and which I
would enable him completely to refute the charge of
cruelty, oppression, and injustice thus brought by at le
Hon. and L arned Member for Dublin against Lord I.„_ y
ton. He therefore trusted the House would suspend their I
judgment for a little time.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. FRENCH was not in the habit of exchaneine even 1
kinderhilandlord._-(
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,ylm.
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man, or
state,Ho et
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more thheaatr .
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the
the courtesy of a salute with Lord Lorton. But he felt it I
the evidence expected by the Learned Sergeant. But be
must at the same time assert, that a vast portion of the out-
rages which disgraced Ireland, sprung not from the
nature of the peasantry—than whom a more kindly or
genial race did not exist—but from the oppression
they suffered at the hands of their landlords, the physical
wretchedness of their condition, and the little sympathy
that had hitherto been extended to them from the autho-
rities of the land. Hence the wrecklessncss and the dis •
quietude of the Irish peasants. So far from the Irish
peasant being savage, he was convinced the English la-
bourer would not have undergone half the sufferings and
deprivations which the Irish had without exhibiting feel-
ings of a more turbulent and ferocious disposition. _
Colonel VERNER, after alluding to the results of
several trials in Ireland, asked what justice eouehdt. Protes-
tantset-
expect when Attorney-General autheorrers d b
enabled to
ting aside of jurors, whereby prisortiesra
pt ? Ho then
ing the Judges of the land in
e that the Ribbon-.
entered into several details to prov
regularly trained.
pack juries, and the Lord Lieutena:ootesnmewtioned the hold.
men went out with arms, and wderteo
dissolve itself there
When the Orange Society was asks
the fact ? There was -
be countenanced ; but what was.
nen' members were
• in Ireland whose most promi s
Society
was a clear understanding that nopolitical society should
upon its ruins immediately rose
Society was dissolved ; but
fi
t ste taken by the Noble
' the Precursor Society, and the rs . .p . .
those selected by the Government. for. promotion. That
the leader of that Society. The Orangemen were
his table
Lord the Secretary for Ireland was ~o invite and entertain at
dec were cajoled into disuniting themselves
upon i
false Petences
hear.)lreland had been
most shamefully governed. Mr. Duff, who was a chief
eved—tierY .—( Hear,
constable, advised the Magistrates to shoot the people,
by planting a gun, and making a lane through
the woMen and children assembled around an orange
arch. He was of course promoted, he was made
a stipendiary Magistrate, and was actually sent
down upon two occasions in July to insult the people Whom
he wished to have slaughtered.
Sir C. STYLES rose at two o'clock, and at five mi-
nutes past,
An HON. MEMBER moved the House be counted: there
.t being only 37 Members present, they adjourned.
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The Brighton Gazette says—" We hear that an
p elo ement hie taken place from this town, and that it has
been followed by a hostile meeting in the neighbourhood
of London. As the particulars have not yet got into the
papers, we will not add to the distress of the parties by
mentioning, names."
LEICESTER, MARCH 2.—The state 01 the
country becomes every day more fearfully and momentously
interesting. The deep-seated discontent which now Si,
extensively prevails arises not merely from the deprivation
of political rights, but from the dreadful practical results
of which that deprivation has led.—Leicestershire Mercury.