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London, England, 1863-05-29 00:00:00

the working classes, when seeking to enlarge their expe-
rience.

Mr, AYRTON defended the proposition of the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, and contended that the proposi-
tion before the house only brought the matter of taxation
back to where it had stood originally. The reason why the
exemption had been granted for the Parliamentary trains
was, that the railway companies complained of them as a
grievance, and they said to the Government, " If you com-
pel us to run those trains you must at least give us some
countervailing advantage in the shape of exemption." He
did not mean to say but that it might be a good thing to
abolish taxation upon locomotion altogether, but when they
did not give exemption to cheap omnibuses and to horse
traffic, he did not see how it could be claimed for railway
companies.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted
' that there were many important questions opened up by the
hon. member for Whitby, but ho submitted that they did
not bear upon the resolution before the committee, the ob-
ject of which was simply the adjustment of taxation. He
had himself taken a great interest in the reduction of the
expenses of railway companies, and he had voted for a
motion which would have the effect of saving them five
times as much as the amount involved in the present pro-
position ; and that was that, instead of having to prove their
case twice and fee counsel twice, they should have their case
at once determined by a joint committee of both Houses of
Parliament. But it did not appear that the railway com-
panies themselves were so desirous of reducing their ex-
penses. (Hear, hear.) He admitted the great advantage
to working men of having the means of cheap locomotion;
but he thought the advantage arose rather from having
cheap ordinary trains connected with business than ex-
cursion trains for the purpose of pleasure. When they
did not grant exemption to horse traffic employed for
pleasure, how could they, with any show of justice,
allow it to railway companies ? And he did not think it
would be wise to give a factitious encouragement to rail-
way companies for the irregular portion of their traffic.
Upon the whole he considered that excursion trains were
not solely taken advantage of by the working classes, but
were largely used by the middle classes, and, therefore, as
they were the cause of considerable interference with the
ordinary traffic of railway companies, he thought they
ought not to be made the subject of special and factitious
exception from taxation.
Mr. WALPOLE said the fact was too often lost sight of
that there was a vast difference between railway traffic and
every other kind of public conveyance, because railway
companies made their own roads, and were assessed to the
poor upon their whole property, whereas stage carriage
proprietors were only assessed upon their stables and coach
houses.
Mr. WHALLEY said that circumstance was fully taken
into consideration by the capitalists who laid out their
money upon railways, and he was of opinion that if rail-
way companies were to reduce the whole of their fares 60
per cent. they would find their regular profits very much
larger than at present. (Hear.) The tax proposed was a
direct tax, and did not at all interfere with the advantages
derived by excursionists, and therefore he should vote for
the resolution.
The resolution was then agreed to and the house resumed
LAND DRAINAGE (PROVISIONAL ORDERS:
BILL.

Upon the motion to read this bill a third time,
Mr. PEASE moved that the order be discharged, and the
bill recommitted to a select committee, to be appointed by
the committee of selection in the same manner as in the
case of a private bill. The bill was, in fact, a private bill,
affecting only certain localities in the county of Durham%
and by introducing it as a public measure, its promoters had
avoided the ordinary obligation of giving notice to the land-
owners whose property was affected by it.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said the bill was simply in accord-
ance with the Lands' Drainage Act of 1861, and though
the hon. gentleman's objections might apply to the gene-
ral policy of that act, they could hardly be taken as having
any weight against the present measure.
Mr. BRUCE admitted that the Drainage Act did not
afford complete protection to individuals whose property lay
beyond the drainage district. He quite agreed with the
hon. member for Northumberland, that the danger of indi-
vidual injury was not altogether chimerical; and he should
therefore, on the part of the Government, agree to the re-
committal of the bill, though not in the full terms of the
motion.
Lord H. VANE approved of the determination of the
Government, and was of opinion that sufficient cause for
inquiry had been made out.
Sir. H. CAIRNS suggested that the better course would
be to recommit the bill in the House, and to reinsert a clause
that its provisions should not affect any person out of the
drainage district.
Mr. AYRTON supported the motion for reference, and
contended that there was nothing unusual in the course.
After some observations from Mr. NEWDEGATE,
Mr. ROEBUCK said the common-sense way of proceed-
ing would be to refer the bill to a select committee, as it
was evident the house knew nothing about the bill.
Sir W. HEA.THCOTE opposed the proposal to refer the
bill to a select committee.
Mr. PEASE then withdrew his amendment, expressing
his willingness to accept the proposal of the Under Secre-
tary for the Home Department (Mr. Brace) that certain
clauses of the bill should be reconsidered in committee.
Sir S. NORTIICOTE moved, as an amendment, that
the bill generally should be recommitted.
The house divided—
For the amendment lB
Against it
Majority in favour of reconsidering certain
clauses of the bill in committee.,
DRAINAGE AND IMPROVEMENT OF LAND
(IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. BAGWELL expressed a conviction that the bill
would be inoperative, and recommended that it should be
withdrawn, and a new one introduced, devolving all works
connected with the arterial drainage of Ireland upon the
Board of Works.
Mr. F. PEEL said it was not considered desirable that
the Board of Works in Ireland should any longer under.
take extensive drainage works.
The house then went into committee, and the several
clauses were agreed to.
RELIGIOUS ENDOWMENTS (IRELAND).
The adjourned debate on Mr. Dillwyn's motion relative
to religious endowments (Ireland), was, after a short dis-
cussion on the day to which it should be adjourned, further
adjourned to Friday, June 5.
DISTRICT PAROCHIAL CHURCHES (IRELAND)
BILL.
On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Sir H. CAIRNS first stated the object of the bill. By
the present law, there was no power to let pews for annual
rents in district churches in Ireland, though the law was
disregarded, and pews were largely let in those churches ;
but the rents could not be legally recovered. The Irish
Ecclesiastical Commissioners were forbidden to render as-
sistance for the building of proprietary chapels ; and there
was con, iderable d4fficulty in endowing district churches,
but not so private chapels.
The bill passed through committee.
EXECUTION OF DECREES' BILL.
Mr. BUTT moved the second reading of this bill.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL concurred in the motion,
stating it was desirable there should be a sort of intercom-
mtinion between the modes of executing the decrees of the
two countries, Ireland and England.
ADMIRALTY COURT (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. MAGUIRE moved that the house go into commit-
teepro forma, in order that he might move that the order
be discharged. The hon. member also called upon the At-
torney-General to state whether the Government would
undertake to deal with the question.
The A rTORNEY-GENERAL said the Government
were not at present in possession of sufficient information,
but he hoped a bill might be prepared in the course of next
session on the subject. He agreed it was only the Govern-
ment that could deal with the question.
After a few words from Mr. WHITESIDE,
Mr. MAGUIRE said he would move the discharge of
the order on Monday, and expressed himself quite satisfied
with the statement of the Attorney-General.
MARRIAGES, &c. (IRELAND) BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this bill were considered and
agreed to.

ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE.
Lord C. PAGET obtained leave to bring in a bill to esta-
blish officers of Royal Naval Reserve.
The bill was subsequently read a first time.
PASSENGERS' ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. C. FORTESCUE brought in a bill to amend the
Passengers' Act.
The bill was read a first time.
The house adjourned at 11 o'clock

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ners in the York City Gaol. It seems that between two
and three o'clock several prisoners were at work in one of
the yards of the gaol under the care of a taskmaster ; and as
the latter was about to open ono of the gates a bucket of
water was thrown over his head, and five prisoners rushed
out and made for the governor's house. He being absent,
they broke open the provision stores, and helped themselves
to eggs, butter, bread, &c., and then they paid attention to
the wine and beer cellars. Having filled themselves to the
utmost with liquors, &c., they returned to the work-.
yard in an intoxicated state, and amused themselves
by throwing missiles at each other until the arrival
of a body of the city police, when they immediately came
to "attention," and quietly walked into their cells without
committing further violence. No attempt was made to
break out of the prison.

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