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to a p
sion and amendment.—(Cheers.) I now come, Sirar t,
House, and
of the Speech more particularly addressed to this
ratio,'
'.which will tJ, cl.e of t!ie earliez,t questions f.lr on:* ,; il List.
I mean the provision which must be made for the
that— (He
herar ,
Majestyh r.)
hTalst House so
pleased will htaov ep
a hearde
unreservedly; withCp lowasu, :suet
the disposal of this House the hereditary revenues urd
her predecessor first surrendered to the public;
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with still greater pleasure will the House lear:n:7_a_''
her Majesty has proposed every means for a fair exat
of this subject.—( Cheers.) I believe it will he
found only
that on all former occasion,, where there have been
lo .p
•
happy differences between the Crown and the peopl f
pecuniary matters, they have arisen from
a Publicity
proper explanation on the part of the Crown.
on this subject is, I •am sure, the best way to secure the con-
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fidence of the people.—(Cheers.)—Her Majesty
tom
from
the throne under somewhat different circumstances
.ro_
her predecessors, who had derived large revenues el!
their foreign possessions. Those foreign possessions have
l: h
meeu
separated from the Crown. No one is less disposed
than
to regret that separation.—(Loud cheers.) The income de-
rived from them may be considered unworthy the consideration
of a mighty nation like this.—(Cheers.) Yet when we come
ver:
to arrange pecuniary matters they must not be wholly.° be
looked. I believe that in this instance liberality $v
e!"_,at
found the best economy, particularly at the beginning t 7,..
we have every reason to believe will be, under Divine Pro"
deuce, a long and happy reign.—( Cheers.) A contrary coot,`of conduct would tend to degrade the Crown, as in the end
s.)
must be injurious to the pockets of the people.—(CileCLth
Sir, I might quote the most influential Members upon both
sides of the House as to the desire of unanimity on the preset
occasion, especially when the House of Commons first meets,f..d
to greet their Queen on her accession to the Throne.—( b°,"as
cheers.) The Queen, with reference to her early age,
e"._ri
told us that she places her reliance upon our co-opet ation,benee
the love and affection of her people—(Cheers)—
who heard the feeling and impressive manner in :Ivnhdicht that
who
portion of her Speech was delivered, will have no doubt that
these were really the sentiments of theßoyal heart.--( Cheel;3/.
Of the affections of her people, Sir, she can have no don
Upon all the occasions in which she has shown herself to tni l
public, particularly on a late occasion, when advised by her M!
nisters, and attended by her Ministers, she paid her loyal el-
sizens of London a visit—(Loud cheers)—the enthusiasm
of hundreds and thousunds of her subjects, must have satisfied
l
her of the affection of a loyal, and, I will say, a chivalrou
nation.—(Cheers.) If these are the feelings of the penelle;
it will not, I hope, be unbecoming in this House, upon vii
I believe it is not unconstitutional to call a fit occasion for
compliment between the Houses of Parliament of the So-
rereign—(Loud eheers)to agree unanimously in the Address
which I have now the honour to move. The Noble Lord then
read the Address, which was, as usual, an echo of the Speech'
Mr. GIBSON CRAIG then rose to second the Address,
but the low tone in which the Hon. Member spoke rendered it
almost impossible to catch a perfect sentence of what he
said. As far as we could hear him, we understood him t°
address the House as follows :—Sir, I rise to second the Ad-
dress that has been moved by the Noble Lord ; and in doing,
so I feel that no one can so deeply require the indulgence or
the House as I do. This is the first time that I eye
addressed the House, and unacquainted as I am with its forms,
I trust the House will pardon any omission of mine. (Cheers.)_
dischargel can assure the House that I shall occupy its attention but
for a very short period, in the of the very grate ?'
duty that has devolved upon me.---( Cheers.) From the abi-
lity with which the Noble Lord who moved the Address bes,
entered upon the different considerations and topics in
the Speech of her Most Gracious Majesty on the
Throne,
my task in seconding the address has been rendered light in-
deed—(Cheers)—and I feel that it is not necessary fer meto detain the House with any observations of mine.
(Cheers.) Her Majesty has, however, in the earlier part
of her speech introduced a subject which I cannot piss over
without remark, namely, the necessity of supplying
re-
lief to the poor of Ireland.—( Hear, and Cheers.)
In making alterations in the institutions of a country, it is
desirable that the minds of the people should neither be elc-
cited by angry feelings, or swayed by prejudice.—( flea!?
hear.) The remainder of the Hon. Gentleman's speech
was totally inaudible in the gallery, from the low tone in which
he spoke. The Hon. Member concluded by seconding the
address.
The SPEAKER. then read the Address, which had been
moved and seconded, and was proceeding to put the ques-
tion, *hen
Mr. HARVEY and Mr. WAKLET rose together, and pre-
sented themselves to his notice. They stood for some time
amid conflicting cries of " Harvey, Harvey 1" " Wakicit
Wakley until at length the former Gentleman gave was.
Mr. WAKL E Y being called on by the Speaker, acid—Sir,
I rise on this occasion to discharge the humble duty of acquaint-
ing
her Majesty's Ministers, that they have some Radical sup-
porters in this House—(Cheers and laughter from the OW'
sition side)--a circumstance which, I ant sorry to say, they
seem to have altogether forgotten.---(Cheers and laughter.)
I have seen several copies of the Speech, but nntil I heard it
read from your lips, Sir, I did not believe it was the Speech
which her Majesty was to read from the throne. I wish to ask
what reason her Majesty's Ministers had to be so anxious in
1835 to eject the Right Honourable Baronet opposite
from office.—( Vehement cheering from the Tory benches.)
I really feel bound, Sir, in honour and candour, to ask this
question—( Renewed cheers from the Tories)—and I hope that
in the course cf this night's debate her Majesty's Minis-
ters will answer the question as frankly as I put it to
them.--( Loud cheers from the Tories.) I came into
this House to support the cause of the people,
and not the
cause of party and faction.—( Loud cheers from those around
Mr. Wakley.) Party and faction have been the curse of this
country for centuries—(Cries of " Hear, hear")—and if we
follow the course which her Majesty's Ministers this night
mark out for us, we are not likely to remove that curse.
—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") When the Right Honourable
Baronet opposite produced his Speech in 1835, the friends
of the Ministers told him that the Speech from the throne
dealt in vague generalities—that there was nothing speci-
fic in it, and nothing to satisfy them what reforms the
Right Hon. Baronet intended to propose. They have nOW
got their friends in office, and there can be no reason for their
not saying what reforms the country needs, and what specific
reforms they purpose to effect.—( Loud cheers.) But they
have omitted everything of the kind from their Speech ; they
are entirely silent upon these subjects ; nor is there a single
enunciation of oe of their reforms in the whole
(" Hear, hear," and " Oh, oh," from the Min pe isterial
benches.) I say, yes (continued Mr. Wakley)—l have the
Speech in my hand, and I must say more, that I never read a
Speech from any Sovereign of this country more vague, more
general, or less precise.—( Loud cheers and laughter from the
Tory benches.) I hope that the Right Hon. Gentleman op-
posite will not cheer too much. I assure him I have no desire
to see him in office ; on the contrary, I hope I am doing .
a real service to her Majesty's present Ministers. I have al-
ways told them that I thought they were " squeezable" com-
modities—( Laughter)—and I still think we may press them
into something.—(Cheers and laughter.) But, looking to
the other side of the House, I see only the enemies of Reforms
and therefore of the people.—( Hear, hear.) I tell them that
they are made of petrified materials, out of which nothing
that is good can possibly be moulded.—( Hear, and a laugh.)
In 1835 the Noble Lord now at the head of the Government
moved an amendment in the House of Peers ; he stated then
that he wanted something more specific than what was con-
tained in the Speech. The Noble Lord, the leader of this
House, used very similar language. He then said, "
think it far better that this House, as the organ of the
people, should speak in our own language to the Throne.
If we yield to the language used in the Address we
may lose the very essence of Reform. We must send up our
own demands, and let the Throne know what measures
we deem necessary for the welfare of the country. NOW,
Sir, I wish to know where are those distinct and ape
mention of Reform in the speech from the Throne.
We all have come fresh from our constituents; then are yo
not aware that the Voters of England require protection ?
(Cheers.) Is the word Ballot in the Speech ? (Laughter from
the opposition.) The Members on that side of the !louse
may laugh. The Speech is just such a one as you your-
selves would have made on a similar occasion. I demand
for the people of England an extension of political rights'
At the commencement of a new reign—with a young Queen, edn:
catei as ours has been, the people were entitled to expect the!,
something more explicit should have appeared in the Speech:
will ask, Sir, is the elective franchise extensive enough
I say no, and the people of England, Ireland, and Scotiand
say no. They grind their teeth under the infliction, and I an;
afraid will never be relieved without the introduction of
their grievances specifically into the Address. Ido not
r.ex-
pect that I will get that done on the present occasion, but I think
this is the proper time to test the House. You have
all
just come from the hustings, where even you, gentlemen (the
Tories) were Liberals.—(Laughter.) At Liverpool, ne
indeed throughout the whole country, the same lang
was used—(Cries of " Hear, hear")—all were there the friends_
of the people, yet as soon as any specific proposal is brouet
forward than nearly all of us fly from it and leave the people'
at the mercy of the Aristocracy. At Liverpool at an opera;
tive Conservative Dinner, the Noble Lord whom I do :id
see in his place (Lord Sandon), is reported to have said
" That those who did a great part of the labour should sl?aL
in the triumph ;" and That the poorer classes had a dewu
interest in upholding the institutions of the country, and 0 h_..
to have a greater voice in the country. The Noble Lord :en,
clared himself a friend to the extension of suffrage, e°d/ had
disappointed at not seeing him in his places fur toe,
hoped to have had him for a seconder to my
nd the
Really I was going to apply to the Noble Lord to seco
amendment that I am going to propose.—(
Honourable Gentleman then read another extract c
,Trns .
the Noble Lord's speech, in which ho express ic:ti;;s,
gratification at the growing intelligence of the Ho.
with respect to their own interests. 'No doubt, saeld.t_.ld not
Laughter.)
pl__nai
Member, that is the truth, and it is strange that
.h s.ufiamistere,
have before perceived it. I ask her iVlajesty's
from under
will they allow the ground to be taken
Opposing
them by their enemies ?__.(Elegy, hear.)
Thheall test the
party profess themselves friendly to Reform. I being. the
sincerity of both by my amendment, and its object_er , from his
extension of the franchise, I am sure the Noble
rd
liberal speech at Liverpool will be the first to record lad glad to
favour of it.—( Laughter and cheers.) I should
Ma est) a
know how, under cx sting circumstances, her
hear.' 't
ters propose to retain themselves in office.—( inajarei Y
should be glad to know how they propose maintai.l r-0
in this House.—( Hear, hear, from the Opposition-
favorable
most ma-
are the majorities to come from ? Under the r a
mote
circumstances they will not be able to
at the Ut-
find
jority of more than twenty-five or thirtycertainly 3rd
his vote in.
most, and in untoward cases they will the two rto *
themselves in a minority. Is it proposed that ,l rush in,a
ties who have now been so lop, separated A, 'there show
each others embrace ? Is it intended, in short, that