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of 'April,- 1105, he he signed those fatal Treaties 1
w;'.`. tit produced the destrhaion of Europe, although
be had the same day expressed his-opinion, that no-
thing could' be:done without the assembly of a rkmch -
larger force against France than that for which
thoJe Treaties provided. If the Right Ilan. Gentle.:
'man, after being driven from one reason, to another;
maintained the connivance -of Denmark as the
glckuila of justification forthe Expedition against
Copenhagen, it was his tinty to tell the Country so
.—to tell the Crown Princeto tell the Counsellors'
of Denmark so, and not by reading garbled extraas,
infer, as he had interred, that the Danish Ministry
was attached to the French' cause.; If, however, this
was a fzdse impression, and lie contended that-it K 4,3
so—in Justice to the individuals—in justice to the
country—in.. justice' to the Danes-=let -it be done
away. The tluestion might be brought to' issue' by
laVing on the tabler the. diSpatches from which the
•Rthr Hun. Gentleman.read the extrais, He was
anthoilicd 'to say, that there-was nothing in those
Papers Which ought not to be divulged. He con •
eluded by moving, « that there be laid before the
flot4 a Copy of the Di patch from' Lora Viscount'
Howiek to Mr. • Garliclie; dated L'6ndon, Decem-;
.iao6, from which tixtraCis Were read by Mr.
Se'cretarV Canning in his place' on Mednesky last,
and the Answer thereto. - 'Also a Copy of the Note
..frntnMr. ',list, the Danish Envoy, to. Lord Viscount
POWick; Bcc."
Mr. CA N WAG, before he spoke to. the MOtion;
:4701:1d make a few retnarki on the extraordinary ob-
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servationtof the Mght HUD. Gentleman resp4iing
private communication. HO .situatiou' with respett
to privatecommunications was precisely the 'same
RS' that of' the Hen: Gentleman,' •of any other
Member of the House.' He had alWays shewn him-
self as ready to make or receive them as any man ;
but when it was recolle6led that; oh a notice being
given of a .Notion by an Hon. Gentleman, he had
Mode in ample communication to the Noble Lord
opposite, of the part, or rather of the no-part, which
:he and. his Colleagues Meant to take on the subjc&,
Whceh private communication was answered' by a
public rebuff, as if he were courting something
whiCh the Gentlemen opposite were disposed ,to
deny, his reluCtance to repeat such cOmmunicattons
would not appear surprising. With respect toqhe
Motion of the Right Hon. -Gentleman; he would
,cheerfully vote for one of the Papers, and assign the
manors which prevented him front consenting to the
produCtion Of the other. It' was undoubtedly true,
that when in his Address to the House on Wed-
, nesday last, he referred to the state, disposition, and
means of Denmark, in the. latter ,end of 1806, he
felt,himsell bound to sustain his own representation
of ',bias and inferences from those faCts by advert-
ing to,the offici tl imfbrmatiou which'his Majesty's
Ministers fOund on their coming into power. The
iltsContinuity of the Administration did not take
fetich Lim that privilege. Did the Hon. Gentleman
':recnilea with What view he cited the dispateb of
the of December 'from Lord Howick to Mr. Gar-
: licke It hail been maintained by the Hon. Gen.
tieruan „who had breught forward the motion of
Nlr
‘• r.ineriday, that from the occupation of Holstein by
• Freech troops, noinference could be draWn of the
probability that the 'pettish Fleet, would fall into
tr,o hands of Francii: fle (Mr. Canning) contended
• , the contrary. First because he could see no impe-
dntwnt to the transfer, of the French troops from
Holstein to Ze-aland; awl secondly, 'because he could
Trot, conceive- a' more absurd proposition, 'than
'-that the Danish troops could be transferred for
the deft nee of Zeohed, in the Presence of a Vie-
.
various Frach army. lie asserted, therefore,' the
probability that, these' circumstances might have
led to a compromise, by which the Fleet of Den-
mark would June been .surrendered to tranee
, and in support
,of this assertion, he had'very
naturallyread part of a dispatch from Lord tick
. to Mr. Garlicke, which the . latter' was 'in-
. struacti ma
nifested
on if any "dispoSition should be
On the past 'of the Danes to enter into• such. a
compromise; distinctly to state chat it Wrould be re-
aerited by his Majesty. This be read- in confirma-
ten of his-own opinion. Did he nietto by it to cast
any impotation, or &initiation, on the Ne,ble Lord ?
The very reverse. There was another topic on
Which he hod cited generally the Nobletord, which
was on
,the offer by.' Sweden' to defend Holstein
with vb,opfi trecips. The HCM. 'Geotlerilah • had
said that the Noble Hord. felt 'hurt at'being:: thus
quoted. He 'was at n losS to conceive hew;' having
once enterttlined these opinions, 'heCould now be
ashamed of them ; or still maintaining thetn,That he
'should 11)14 i,t inconvenient to himself to have them
adduced in support of, his Majesty'i Government.
lie• had no objection Whatever to the produelion of
the Notes to and from Mr.RiSt. They contained an
able discussion _of the comparative merits of the
French Decree oldie 2 I st of December; and of the
English Order in Council of the 7th of January.—
They would communicate much valuable infor-
. mation, and would particularly sliew, that the feel
ings of Nt.utral Powers had been so -strongly excited
by that Order of the 7th of 'January, as to leave but
• ... little roues for greater irritation, in consequence of
the Orders i,sued by his Majesty'apresent GOvern-
ment. They would, shew also, that his Majesty's
present Government had in this respe& followed the
that had been chalked out With so much akility
by their predecessors. For the production of these
Papers, therefore, he would cheerfully vote, but not
for the dispatch of the Noble Lord, for the produe-
' timi of which no sufficient growl(' had been
laid---
not a word had been said to, impeach the faCts, that
apprehension had been, entertained of a compromise,
by which the DaniStiVleet would lfave beetr.sarren-
` ' tiered for the safety of the Danish German' dontini-
ons or the tact, that' in that case his Majesty had
determined to take 'such 'measures as would evince
his resentment. The Hon.' Gentleman, had stated
other ylowtiont made by him, which he had 'not
• foliowednp however by motions. He,,repebted, that
• • ' they referred to a'ptarlicular period of time, and tend-
ed to elucidate the. 'state of things- in Denmark at
that period; to the w that after the battle of Jeba, no
real preparations had been made -for' the defence of
• Volsteut ; that as the French advanced the Danes
retreated, and this in cansequence of repre.entations
film). France c these' were fkis iind.oubt,ll. In
aid of his staiorients of them he 'had (futottad poit-
pages from Mr. Garlieke's dispatches; none of which
he had overcharged or misrepreSented. On these .
subjeaii a certain degree of confidence - must always
be reposed in Government, .otner\S i!e
a. Cot~3ider-
able degree of inconvenience must ensue. The
lion. Gentleman's remarks on the three dispateLs,

written "bn the same day (Sept. o) by Lord G. L.
Gower; sufficiently'Sbew how alive lie was to sus-
picion, and how groundless those suspicions-rwere.
The fa& was, 'that Lord Gower almost exclusive-
ly-had corresponded with the British Government
by messengers and not by post therefore hap-
pened that though the drafts of dispatches were pre•
pared as the subjeds arose, yet the transcripts
of those draftS were not made until a few hours
before-the departure of 64 messenger, and con-
sequently were all dated on the same.day. • Dis-
patches were distinguished by a series of numbers,
add not by a series of dates on this-very account.
Did the Hon. Gentleman mean to impute to him a
wilful perversion of the Noble Lord's sentiments ?
Such a perversion could scarcely have been risked by
any one, for he took it for granted that the Noble
Lord had-obtained from the Secretary of States Of-
fice copies 'of his own alispatehes; if not, he had an
undoubted right to them. • There was nothing What-
ever that•he could perceive in his proceedings analo-
,gous to those in the last war alluded to by the Ho-
nourable Gentleman. The extracts he had read Were
not from Papers moved for on that night. The
Hon. Mover on Wednesday had framed his motioti in
such a manner as.to imply assertions on the part of
Goverument which they could not consent to make.
Had he agreed to modify those assertions, and in par-
ticular With resped to Portugal; his. Majesty's Midi
sters would not have objected to the produetion of
several of his Papers. As it was, however, the House
of Commons had expressed their decided opinion
that, without any far titer intbrmation, they were satin
Red of the propriety of the steps taken by his Majesty's
Government. If the Hon: Gentleman were not
convinced that such was the-decision of the House
so expressed, let him bring the subjeet again to the,
vote, but let him in candour do so openly and dia.
tingly, and not insidiously dwell on topics calcu:-
lated to hide from the House that they were in fad
again voting on the subje& upon which they,had
already so fully expressed their. approbation.
Lord TEMPLE felt the deepest regret that the
Right Honourable Gentleman should'have pursued
the line of detente which he had adopted. He found
himself grievously mistaken in the estimate which
he had formed of his candour. •

-Mr. Fiettnnwr thought that the onus.proliartdi•of
the necessity of -the Danish Epeclition Jay on our
side. ' •

The SECRETARY at WAR opposed the motion of
the Hon. Gentleman.

Mr. TIERNEY argued at considerable length in
support of the motion. .Withotit any disrespe6t to'
the Right. Hon. Gentleman., he did not conceive him
entitled ,to claim the confidence of the House to the
extent to which he seemed to think be was. As to
his challenge`to re-discuss the subject, let the Right
,Hon.. Gentleman produce the* Papers necessary for
such a discuSsion, and he would, pledge himself to
move a vote of censure on Ministers'. •

Mr. LOCKHART was against the procluaion of any
farther-Papers; Mr, HORNER. for their production.
Mr. IFINDIM complailied that Ministers had
swindled the House.out of an appearance of appto.
bation of the Danish ,Expedition, in the Address to
his Majesty, although it was then undeestood, that
that was a mere matter of forth, not conveying any
actuat-opinion. The grand ground for the 'pro.dne-
tion of the Paper.moved fur by his lion. Ft':etiti,was
that the House having irregularly, in Ins opinion; al-
lowed a flagrant injuit tee to be. done to an individual,
were bound to repair it as fat aS lay in their poWei:
Sir JOHN.ORDE was' desirous that Ministers should
not be fettered. The Gentlemen opposite seethed
to wiih that we should gie the sword to our enetcr,
and content ourselves with the scabbard.

Mr. 'LITTLETON' did not think that the resistance
to the. present motion rested au the'saine likro,inds as
the resistance to the .motions of Wednesday last.
Although he Voted for Mani►cters on that day, cum-
mon justice would compel bihr,to vole for the Hon,
Gentleman on the present occasion.

;Mr. BHIII/Dil ill,was glad,to hear the challenge
thrown out by the other side,As to a vote of.cen-
sure, he should be happy to vote two censures ; the
one on the•distespe.3ful manner in which .11.1 ink:lrina_
. flan' relative. to the .Danish Expedition . had been.-
withheld from the House; the other on the Ex-
pedition itself. He contended Strenuously for-the
produ&ion of the Pokers moved fora by his Ho-
nourable Friend. Before the meeting of Par-
liament. he, had • inado up his mind to support
his Majesty's Ministers, on the subject of the Expe-
dition to Copenhagen; fully expeaing that they would
/be able to prove either that a collusion existed be-.
tween Denmark and France, or that Denmark could
• not have resisted the compulsion of France, Neither
of these points has been established, and with re-
gard to the first, particularly, he pledged himself;
when the enbjeat was resumed, to make it incon-
.trovertibly manifest, that there had never peen any
collusion whatever.

Mr. SHARII: supported the Motion.
Mr. WHITBREAD made a very aximated 'reply to
the arguments urged by Mr. canning r after which
the Gallery was cleared for a

For t h 4 iauttstion 73—Against it tv7--.;.Vlajority64.
Mr. SiiaarF. gave notice of moving certain 13eso-
iutions.respe4ing the Danish ~Expedition, and the
condua of Ministers tidaritoito it.
. He was ailed by Mr. Secretary CANNING to name
the day when he would bring them forwhrd, but he
declined.

The House in a Comniittee of Supply voted the
Ordnance ~ud Extraordinaries 'of the Navy for the
current year.

A neriy Writ ‘,OSS ordered for the County of West-
meath, in the room of Mr. William Smitit, who ac-
cepted the office of &cheater of Munster.,

The Bills on the table were forwarded in their
specctive stagcs, and the tlouse, at Half past Ten
o'Cloek; ai:jotlrned.

THE
LONDON 0 dZEITE ENT!: DIXARY.

.TULISpAY, 1.1:r., 9, IHOB,

•
(i'eb. 8,1808.
Captain. Berkeley, tirbt 4i4-de- Camp to General.
Bowyer, arrived yesterday- morning ;it the ()Rite of
Viscotint (:!t.-.oercagli, one of his, ..iNLljory's
Sectiitarit.s of State, with a Dispatch front. the Gei,c-
ral, of which' the - following is a Copy
• XI, I,ORD, Dec,Santa Cruz; v 27, 1807.
Being in a state of preparation and readiness
to, move a sufficient Force against the Danish IsiaDds
in these seas, in consequence of your Lordship's
Dispatch of the 6 tit aE Svpttn,ber, .no time was