The Sun.
London, England, 1830-11-25 00:00:00

SPIRIT THE. PUALIO JOURNALS.

A euration has sprurig up on the subject of the
abolition of •rotten boroughs, whether the proprie-
tors of such places ought not to be indemnified on
their disfranchisement. We have been frequently
called upon by letter to give our opinion upon this
point, and shall therefore give it frankly. We an-
swer, yes; they ought to be indemnified ; and we
will give an instance in point. A Noble Lord is
said to have just paid to an Hon. Baronet upwards
of 150,0001. for a rotten borough, not far from
town. The affair is indeed so public, that the House
of Commons is at once disgraced if it does not take
it up. And the proper way to indemnify his Lord-
ship and those of whom he has bought the borough
is, by sending them all to Newgate for a breach of
privilege. This is the way in which we would in-
uemnify all the dealers in the rights of the people
for the loss of their infamous trade.—Times.
We are sorry to see by the Dutch Papers that
the Dutch are sacrificing themselves for no other
reason than that their obstinate old King is deter-
mined that hostilities shall be continued. The Mi-
nister of Finance, in the Meeting of the Sevond
Chamber of the States-General, in urging the Law
of Finance, said, that " To be or not to be is
now the question—that the preservation and inde-
penitence of the country were to be secured—and
that for this purpose a speedy supply of funds was
indispensable." The law was agreed to by a ma-
jority of 47 to 3. We may well be allowed to ask
why,, the security of the country is endangered ?
The Dutch say they wish a separation from Be!.
gium; the Begians wish to have no connection
%vial Holland. It appeari, then, that the only rea-
son why the Dutch are exposed to this danger is,
that their King will not abandon a claim to the so-
vereignty of Belgium. And what is the coffee-
quence ? The Belgians, a more numerous and
more warlike people, have invaded Holland :
and the rich, but effeminate Dutch, are in
their distress obliged to have recourse to the
brave mountaineers of Switzerland, who, to the
number of 7,000, are about to descend the Rhine,
and have already left Bade on their way to Co-
logne, in steam-boats. The militia in Maestricht,
since the capture of Venloo, have been disarmed;
and the population is only constrained by the fear
of the fate of Antwerp. Such is the state of feel-
ing in the fortresses of Belgium yet retained by the
Dutch. On the other hand, the Belgians are avail-
ing themselves of the brave maritime population of
the English coast, with a view to privateering, and
throwing the Dutch merchants into alarm. The
seafaring people of England are not,
.perhaps,
strictly justified, any more than the swiss, ni taking
part in this warfare; hut they will not the testi em-
bark in enterprises consonant to their habits, and
wi.ieh promise booty. Thus, then, the people of
the Seven United Provinces are 'educed to wo tie.
graded a condition, that, to gratify the obstinacy of
an old man and a few venal courtiers, they have the
meanness and the folly to expose their country to
destruction. When u people become so lost to all
that is good and noble, their doom is sealed.—
Moraing,Chronicle.
The new Administration afford an earnest of their
;ideation to effect all practical retrenchment in the
public service, by ebolishing the place of Vice-Trea-
surer at Ireland, the uselessness of which we were
et the punts of exposing, on occasion of the notni-
nation, to that.oilice.of its late occupant. The union
of the Wilt with ,the Board of Trade is also an
important saving,. TO say-.nothing of the Lieutenant-
Generalship of the Ordnance, which, in accordance
with.the .reoommendation of the Finance Committee
(so„wattionly rejected by-the late Cabinet), is to be
relocad..; .It to, also the Intention of Ministers to
reduce their owrosalaeies •to the extent, we are in-
formed, of one-th:td.., The accounts of the Vice-
Treasurer of Ireland are to be brought to a close in
Our tumor of ss k couple (of anonths ; meanwhile, the
duties are totte:peettormed.without,:remutieretion. It
is rumoured ,'that XMr. Doherty is to succeed Mr.
Joy in the Attorney-Oenerelellip of Ireland.—
Morning Chronicle':
attempt made on Tuesday by the late Se.
tbretary of the Admiralty, to' found a grave charge
of tergiversation against the distinguished individual
who now fil:a the (like of Lard Chancellor, upon

his Lordship'a disuvowal, at a particular stage of the
reeve negnmationa for forming a new Administration,
et' his intention to quit the House of Commons, is
far' tn'&e' calculated to 'direct public attention to the
street political meritapf the person, whose pubre
life attar& no. more specious ground for such a
charge their to serve' the purpose with which it was
made. We will not do the heads of the late Admi-
nietretion eo much ',jostles as to imagine Mr,
Croker's proceeding had their sanction. Ile him*
emit, indeed, belongs to a description of plueemen—
the enmity of whom to Lord Chancellor. Brougham,
it needed no mirth' eager demonetretions to evince.
• 4 Owlet meinunt versus odenti paelenn I" nor
has the political cOnduci of Mr. Croker, since.
he Ant appeared on the stage of public life,
-been of a nature to occasion the smallest sure
'prise at finding him appropriate the dignified and
honourable task of attacking, in his Arrange, an in«
dividual of whom- 1 he durst not for hie craven
lean say thus" a few hours before. Well, indeed,
does such, a charge come from the servant of an Ad-
-. ministration headed by a Piemier who, before tic-
. eepting office, declared lie should be inane to think
of undertaking such a ehurge; and by A prede-
castor in that, office now filled by Broughton, the
course. of whose political life has been nothing less
than. one Protean series of inexplicable inconsis-
tencie.. But it needs not that the public conduct
his accuser, nor that of the masters Mr. Croker
bus served, should be contrasted with Lord
Broughartee, to ret off the loftiness and /wiry
of the motives by
,which the Noble Lord has been
governed in the acceptance of office. Mr. Croker
is far too perspicuous • not fully to be aware
of the great sacrifice of personal ambition which
Mr. Brougham' must have made in exchuov
ing that name for his new t3tle, and his recent
commanding position as the foremost wan in what
low been often called; and- what he, to doobt,
thinks, the first popular assembly of the world, for
an office which, however dignified or lucrative, pre-1
eludes what to moot men must always' be an object
d high desire, namely, the etercire of hie faculties
in a sphere peculiarly udapted to IWO successful de-
velopment, in feet, it is perfectiy wen known
stow, when the recent negociatione lung in a wont
measure transpired, that nothing but the imperetive
obligation which Lord Brougham felt of seconding
die stairs of themerewith whom he had been so long
ommeeied, end to whom t heeountrynow looks for pro-
tection, prevailed over his previous detersein#tion to
remain initial former, place, unshackled by office, the
claadrn representative 44 one of the proudest eon.
ibtiineweie4 which a delegtox 4f the' people could
briast 1 and that it was tint wind the adoption
of•an alternative pregnant with mischief to the best
ilifareStS of the country was represented .to Jtim
as the inevitable result of his persevering refitted,
that he waived his previous determination. Lord
Brougham may proudly retort ,upsin' his accuser by
etaleanding what toirlion lie lies miaowed, what
rinciple he has violated, what peliticid coomajuu
.has ob,todiOtted ? True, he 44 Jjecitate ilia he
was uneoncereed in the formation of ti,or new Ad-
, ministration. Such, when he spoke, wool)), fact
1414 dierwefils, by euleriiiit into the Administration,
witat pledge is disregardei, 'or with whom is
-
faith broken For ourselves, upon Lord
ilterighanea elevation to the nolsaek, As an sect's*
*ion or m*144104,41 to ft great end meritorious peihlie
eon, enabling. hitn is that lofty station to puretrit,
Isl4th-Wrioer anti 44.1 ti, those plans of public
4tdvul'ogeo to which hi' previous life has been
1,4-443.4 kwit upon the cutest uo other light
than as met (404444 uuspicieue to the joker-eats of
coup-10.44 rtp*ll.4 tti tirz example, of Atm.;
erg,{ ul patri moon, the hot Ealcultoed to unittutto
public virtue and to excite honourable emulation ever,'
perhaps, pre,ented to the inhabitants of any portion of
the old world. Nor is it without setiefaction that we

contrast the Capacity for the-performance of 'the le-
gal duties of his station with those of his prede-
eessor. It may be that, like Lord Lyndhurst, this
present Chancellor's practice has been in a grew
degree in Courts of Common Law ; but his profes-
sional occupations have been of a far more diversified
and miscellaneous nature. Mr. Brougham has long
been known and prized as an advocate before that
tribunal in which he is henceforth for the most part
to preside; as also before the Court of Privy
Council; and it is remembered, espec'ally as regards
Scotch Appeals (the lamentable adjudication of
which by Lord Wynford was a recent object of cur
animadversion), that he was bred to the Scotch
Bar, and for some years pursued the profession in.
Scotland. Having respect, therefore, to the extra-
ordinary apprehensiveness of mind and uncommon
industry by which he has been at all times distin-
guished, as well as to the course of his previous
studies and pursuits giving him fully all the needful
learning of his profession without making him a
bigot to its doctrines or institutions, there is ground
for concluding him qualified in no ordinal degree
to direct the great Appellate Jurisdiction of the
country with ability and effect.--Morning Chronicle.
They who doubt the great superiority, in point of
intelligence, of the people of the present day, com-
pared with the people of the period which has gone
by, would do well to peruse attentively the report
of the meeting of the 'Ward of Farringdon Without,
as reported in our columns of this day, and to con-
trast it with the reports of similar meetings some
fifteen or twenty years ago. The meeting is, in-
deed, highly creditable to the metropolis, affording,
as it dues, so striking a►► evidence of the diffusion
of good sense and intelligence among the middle
classes. The quality of the speeches affords the
best refutation of the strictures passed by an able
contemporary (the Scotsman) on the qualification of
the natives of London. Compare these speeches of
plain tradesmen with the more ostentatious speeches
of the first Advocates of the Scotch Bar, as re-
ported in the Edinburgh papers (take the meeting
on account of the French revolution of July as an
instances, and the former will be found to have the
superiority in point of force of reasoning and spi-
rited expression. It was stated by Mr. Alderman
Waithtnan, that at the meeting of 100 Members at
Lord Althorp's, they determined " to agree to any
general plan which should not be delusive, but
should give real weight to the great body of the
people." The worthy Alderman added, " that
it had alwas a been his opinion, that it was
best to take whatever they could obtain, with-
out ceasing to demand their entire rights." The
feeling of the meeting was, that confidence was
justly due to Ministers. Ministers are placed in ,a
stituation of great difficulty. They must propose
what can be carried by the means at their disposal.
Now, these means very much depend on the influ-
ence which an expression of the voice of the middle
classes throughout the country must command over
the higher ranks. Take, we say, what can be got ;
bur emieuvrio, at the same time, to get as much as
possible. As an instance of the rapid spread of
opinion in our time, the ballot may be taken. There
seems to be but one opinion on the subject. On
a division et this rn►eting, there were only three
hands against the ballot. A Mr. Button disposed
of the argument very happily in a few words :-
04 It war not," he said, "so much the extension of
suffrage that was required, as the means of enjoying it—
( Applause.)—lt was not so much the right to vote, as
the power to exercise that tight, thit an effectual reform
would confer. Without the power of voting according to
his. conscience, a man might much better for himself and
for hie count, y have no suffrage.._.(Chests )—But he
would ask the gentlemen who say they would vote for
Reform,: and not for the Ballot, why do they profess to
give the people the right of Suffrage, if they will not en-
able them to use the right.'?"

The Ministers are entitled to support whenever
they propose reform, though that reform should not
go all the lengths that may be demanded. It is
easy for the people to demand, but it is not so easy
for Ministers to give eftect to all their demand,. But
every concession is valuable, as it furnishes means
to obtain further improvement. Between reform
of any kind, and no refoim, there can surely be no
quest fon..—ilforning Chronicle.

It has been the misfortune of England, for some
years past, that its Government and its Legis!attire
have lent too ready an ear to the heartless theories
and sordid advice of a class of doctrinaire*, calling
themselves " political economists," who, under the
pretence of a philosophic zeal for social improve.
merit, are the most devoted and intense worshippers
of Mammon that this or any other country has ever
produced. These public teachers, in their adoration
of wealth, have always urged the supposed advan-
tage of large capital in the hands of the few, to that
distribution of property which ensures the inde-
irendenee and comfort of the many. With curious
mconsisteney, at the same time, they ascribe the
evils of the country to a ouperabutidsiit population,
while the carrying of their own plans into execution
tends to throw additional numbers out of employ.
mew. They were advocates of machinery to the
utmost extent, while machinery, by superieding
human labour, increased the evil of a superabundant
population, of which they so seriously complained.
They approved of that monopoly of land which COW.
listed in throwing several small farms into one large
onea.-tale enclosure of commons and the waste of
manors, which leek away from the poor man certain I
valuable rights, the deprivation of which, along with
the fall of wages, threw him irretrievably on the
parish. In this situation it became necessary' that
lea who was able and willing to earn an honest sub-
sistenco 1! by the sweat of his brow," should starve,
or submit to time degradation of receiving public alms;
and that even, when fully emp)eyed, u portion of his
wages should be the miserable dole of the pauper,
for which-he was obliged to supplicate the surly aus
dimity of the Overseer, who gave him the scanty
pittance of a mendicant, and made him feel all the
humiliation of gave. A state of things so un-
natural and oppressive, it was easy to foresee,
could not always continue without being produc-
tive %),f disorders that would shake the foundations
of society. Impressed with this conviction, we en•
deavoured,, last eessioti of Parliament, to induce
31iiiisters to take this stata of things into considera-
tion, c..nd to devise some mess po obviate the
conserriepres pf the misery and discontent of u po-
polatiim, that a aeriso of hopeless suffering was ra-
pidly; hurrying to slesp4p. We mated, in words to
which we can, if oceessaxy, refer, that the great mass
of .the: lobourieg classes must have some effectual
rielief, or that the result would be a servile war.
Tbo "events of the last few weeks have unhappily
confirmed ori.y epticipations. Several of the southern
counties of Enghind ,ire now in that state of open
and violent hostility betweai tip poor and the rich
....between the cultivators and the proprietnrs of the
NM, ttort may be fairly called Gillum phi:gnaw
lapilli, 044 tki,e name of which ie,daily spreading
into other par 43 pantry, with all the ra-
pidity that we see a voadgmacop mprepd, when the
flakes of fire from a hurtling house ugvig. pet!):
bostible materials. That it may be put anwur
Met vigorotia employment of organized forge
We elite.rtatn pp doubt, but we are equally con-
vinced that tha 1.1440,41 pf the recurrtnee of such
disorders, and that to e iawro dreadful extent,
carnet be removed, unless by the aslopthyt of such
policy 1.... a will effect the amelioration and iinpr-on-
merit the ceirt4i,t,ion of the lebouring classes. Lit
it, therefore, he Elretrbje,etpf Government, us soon
as the githority
.of the ,laws riti4 teve been sue.
cessfully eindieetql itgeinst the
‘auth'cii:itfy w -
less intimidation, to initkor. into causes (If title!
misery labial' has driven raft wet:miif the
pop/lotion into a state of desperate resietanea
tablisha :government. The CUM'S, we believe,
will be aseestirtota without any very long or labori-
ous inquiry—hut to site.i.4y the remedy—hie. labor,
hoe opus ,ell. How to Word empicyment, and ales
trete remuneration for that employment, Us the la-
horning classes of a century situated as England
now is, presents no ordinary difficulty to the mind
of alltatesrean. With a taxation which, when we
take the enhancement in the value of the current"'