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high quarter. He, too, joined, most respectfully and reve-
-la II ' ,11 that had fallen from his Noble and

!y joine,

1, in a

Learned Friend with respect to that illustrious individual
but, together with that beam of light he had spoken of,l

there was another, and he did not think a crossing, beam,
llit he hoped and trusted one that would be found moving
n the same direction—he meant to afford, by one measure,
-o facilitate that of which they had such auspicious promisel
it the present moment ; that was, by dissolving the present,-
cnd e'ecting another House of Commons.—(Cheers.)
ne could not help thinking that if his Noble and Learned
Friend really spoke out, and if he really were disposed te
treat her Majesty's Government with that candour with
rhich he (Lord Brougham) treated the adversaries of her
i \lajesty's Government, he would, instead of vituperating
hem—instead of charging them with incompetency—in-
litead of denouncing them for their vacillations, and 0163
I unfitness for discharging their duties, and declaring the
lw re in such a position as to be the pity of their friends and
the scorn of their political enemies--
Earl FITZ WILLIAM—The scorn of the enemies
their country.
Lord BROUGHAM—And as the Noble and Learner'
Lord has said, the scorn of the enemies of their countr
—now being the scorn of the enemies of one's country is nc
lisgrace to any Government.—(Laughter.) But if instead
f leveling against them this vituperation, his Noble and
Learned Lord had turned round to the Commons House
Parliament, for there it was that he would find the'

state of the public business of the country under the Adreiaise ,;.fuse of all obstruction, and therein he would find the rca
tration of the Noble Viscount. Am I,
then, not justified, tons why it was impossible to carry on the public business
in saying as far as relates to the most important duty of t' ind if, finding that his Noble Friend said to them, " House
riGovernment, namely, the conducting of the business of if Commons ! you a House of Commons ! I tell you, you
• legislation, that we are literally without it ? Miver before' ire no House of Commons—(Cheers)—the Lords havt,
was the state of business in both Houses of Parliament it,' lone with you—the Lords will have other instrument:
2 such a situation as at present, and never before did a Go- than you to do their work—get you gone, and give plac,i
!4 vernment so negligently discharge so important a duty a: Ito better men "—(Cheers)—if his Noble and Learneci
the Government of the Noble Viscount has during the last . Friend had thus delivered his opinions, and thus directed
five months. My Lords, I took occasion last Session to . ,is observations to that quarter, then he should have stated
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state that, in this House, the Noble Viscount and his col- that not so distant from the fact as that to which his ob-
E.lea,,ues were utterly powerless, and that the situation of lii-L,:ervations had been directed. His Noble and Learned;
".• colleagues in the other House would soon be the same. 1 IPriend would thus have stated what he felt in his own'
r will not say that they are now utterly powerless, but I will . mind but to be the truth ; but which, if he did not feel,
-.say that they are so feeble as to be incapable of discharging -, hen he (Lord Brougham) without-meaning to cast any'
Nthe duties which they owe to the Crown and country.—g: i:scredit on the House of Commons, and not meaning to
(Hear, hear, hear.) My Lords, thus much with respect te4ise any disrespectful expressions, but qualifying them so
- legislation. I will not now advert to other topics respectin:.:s- tar, while he participated in such a feeling, would say that
-5- the conduct of the Ministers, nor to their domestic policy." ac declared he looked forward to another House of Com-1
rand still less am I disposed to advert to their foreign policy. nuns for supplying the present, and which would give to
* [ will only say upon that subject amongst all sea ible and 'ler Majesty's Government a real and efficient majority—
reasonable men men one opinion prevails, and I regret to say (Hear)—for it had been the want of an efficient majorita t
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that their conduct and course has:been such as to move then that was the cause of all the obstruction.—(Cheers, mingled
spity of their friends, and to excite the scorn and derision with laughter from the Tory Peers.)
'of their enemies.—(Hear, hear.) My Lords, I have given . Viscount MELBOURNE replied—The Noble and
you a picture of the present—l have given you a picture Learned Lord had taken the present opportunity of pour-
'of the past. What are our hopes for the future from the, ing forth his long-stored-tip invectives. There had come
Noble Lord and his colleagues? Literally nothing. Arc we• from him one of those harangues which he was in the habil
.; to judge from the past—are we to profit by experience iii.., of geserally delivering at the end of the Session. The
i.e',.. If so, we can entertain no hope. But, my Lords, I will'2lNoble and Learned Lord had said that the course of their-
„. not entirely despair. There is some ray of comfort ande domestic policy was entirely condemned, and as to their'
:i. consolation shining in upon us, but it is from anotherfVireign policy he had marked his opinion of it in a sentence
. quarter. My Lords, from the experience we have had, that had been alluded to by his Noble and Learned Friend..
'. from the observation we have made of the conduct of our:.' He had no intention at that moment of entering into a dis-
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gracious Sovereiga, from the very first act of her adminis-'; cussion which the Noble and Learned Lord wished to pro-1
tration, from the steadiness of her demeanour, from her yoke, nor should he give a contradiction to the many in-
-; great self-possession, and from her dignity, I augur much,' .Yectives that had been given utterance to. All he could do
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and, I trust, my Lords, at no distant period we shall find was to point out to their Lordships that the most of that-
! that we shall not be continually exposed to alarm and ap which the Noble and Learned Lord had delivered was corn-'
prehension for the Church Establishment in this country, ands' posed of accusation—it was general abuse—an attack un-
the security of the Protestant faith, a faith to which the peo- t supported by any argument. He was sure that if the
ple of England are so strongly attached, and the attacks' Noble and Learned Lord had any •grounds for his at
upon which have excited among them so much alarm and ap4:. tack, it could not be more unfitted and unbecoming for
prehension. My Lords, to that quarter I look, I look. ' the occasion, although the Noble Lord had taken care
with hope and confidence, and lam sure that hope and con- to deal out his invectives in an unsparing manner.—
• fidence will be shared by your Lordships and by the coun- ( Hear, hear.) With respect to the details into which
• try, and that I shall not be disappointed. My Lords, with - the Noble and Learned Lord had entered as to the
these explanations, I assent to the address moved by the sitting of the Houses, and the business done by Parlia-
Noble Viscount. I think the address is perfectly proper, moat up to the present period of the Session—as to his
and that it ought to be adopted, and, my Lords, I can as- stating how many Bills had been brought forward and
sure you that I would not have justified it to the duty IT, not proceeded with—it was, as far as the censure
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owe your Lordships and the country to have said less than of the Noble and Learned Lord extended, one he must ac-
I have done on the present occasion.—( Hear, hear.) '4 quiesce in, because it equally applied to others, because he
Lord BROUGHAM said that in agreeing to the mo - and his colleagues were not the only sufferers, and because
tion proposed by his Noble Friend on the present occasion the censure that was urged against them had been equally
he did not, he thought, pursue a line of conduct that was .4. applied to the Ministry of the Noble Duke and the Noble
inconsistent with that which he had pursued upon a former ;t: Lord.—( Hear, hear.) When they proposed the same mea-
occasion, when he had some years ago the honour of a seat in ie.' spre that he had now the honour of proposing, he found in
the other House of Parliament ; and he did not think the l' 1830 the Noble Duke was reported to have stated : "My
present course inconsistent with that which the Noble Earl ". Lords, it is not necessary for me to draw your attention in
on the cross benches had thought proper to take when the': detail to the present state of the business before Parliament ;
same question was before their Lordships in that House ; it is sufficient for me to request your consideration of the
for the grounds that were then adopted for resisting the pro-,. state of the rotes of the House of Commons, and the
position in either House were of a twofold character. In = state of the votes of this House, and your Lordships will
the first place, they were at that time unwilling, upon con- :.: see that so much business remains to be done, that were
stitutional principles, that the Parliament should be dis-. it all to be completed, and were any new business to be
solved before the question upon the Civil List was brought
ii:' brought forward at this period of the Session, it must
before them ; and, next, that the Parliament should be dis-i. necessarily postpone the dissolution to a distant day."
solved until the more important question of the Regency - This was nearly a detail exactly of what might be said
should be settled. To these two grounds there was to be -.. at the present day. But he found also that his Noble
added a third, namely, the state of the public business--, Friend (Earl Grey), who had left his place on the
that so little had been done, and that so much of an urgent ' cross benches, also said upon that occasion :—" There is
nature remained to be done. Of these three grounds he -- a necessity for an immediate dissolution, the Noble Duke
certainly did not mean to deny that two now existed—the '''t says. But why is there this necessity ? Apparently it
first and the last. The first was the same now as then—:arises from the circumstance that during the long and af-
namely, the propriety of there being no necessity for "dlicting period of uncertainty as to the issue of his Ma-
settling the Civil List before the dissolution ; and the ; jesty's illness, when the minds of men have been directed
last argument, that there were measures before Par- ; to. that event, the Ministers who have had the business of
liament, existing in a greater degree, and requiring; Parliament to forward, of whatever nature it may have
a speedy settlement now, than upon that occasion.— been, have shewn themselves quite incapable of conducting
(Hear.) As to the second objection that he had stated,': it." That was the argument urged against the present)
that had been more eagerly pushed forward, and more im-gigGovernment by the Noble and Learned Lord.—(Cheers.)i
portance was attached to it than to the others by the Noble The Noble Earl continued—" The business of Parliament)
Earl on the cross benches (Earl Gre' It •