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thiiitatlfolica fee) no bigotry; the Right eitiem...l in 'Ail; 'tie freFesitit-
let The GovcrnMent feel no bigotry. . Let all parties , ed how desirable it would be in The preset 4 state of-
go hand-in-hand in PrOttioting concord and phiLtn- , the world to put an eesi to civil dtiseatiolis and to
thrOpy. Let no one believe the tales that Catholies establish iferletl./ liarmohy,ari& Concord bet t 3to
.all
Would MA allow Protestants to live with them on. parties. But it was lair,. at the sane time, to.coii-
friendly and familiar terms. If the House would go *Wer the pratticabilny. or the pod that Was propos-
into the Committee, he would prove the falsehood of sal, and admitting the advantages that weulu Cow
the charge. The conquest. of Egypt, and the vie- , from the establiShmeut ut imailimity at all times, to
tory oft Maids, would never have been obtained, if question whether that unanimity could in fact he
the Catholics of Ireland were not cApabie Of going attained. However desirable it was that persons
hap& in hand:with their Protestant brethren in every professing Christianity sh-uld be at
ofd-unanimeus it
duty of good `subjeaS!and every. feeling of good citi- was a melancholy truth, to which the history all
zens. -The peasantry of Ireland were not slaves, nor times bore 'testimony, that dissetv ioes always
exist-
the landlords tyrants.- Such language went to ten- j ad, and 'that the greater the pains taken to reconcile
der the upper ranks odious, and the lower ranks con- t theM, the wider the breach b He concurred'
temptible. Ireland had -within twenty years increased in the wish to extinguish religious animosities, he
one-third-in population,-and one-tilth in revenue, it wished they had never existed, but he could` not
had obtained a tree trade and a free constitution. shut his eyes on the evidence of fads, so as to its
Thesefacts afforded the best proof of the highly cis j dulge in the hope of a consuounation So devout') 11 !
vilized and highly improved state of Ireland, and the be wished for. It was not in the power even of
best pictoreof that magnanimous people who %vete speeches so wise, so eloquent, and so good, as that
so cruelty stigmatized. He would not vulgarize the of the Right. Hun. Gentleman,'to obtain this victory
Petition behire the House, by calling it a Petition for over the 'passions and prejudices of Ines. The at- •
emancipation. The Catholics of 'lreland were in " tempt must be. eburtive. Thus what in refies'tion
a state that did not admit of such a remedy, being was &natter of justice, 'was to he depreeated in 615-
already far beyond it. They possessed the elective cussion, as likely :to afford no goed practical result.
franchise, they were admissible to all offices but the He wished the Right lion. (.4entlemati had cut.tined
. Office's of State. In these benefits the Catholics pose what, be had to say to the,last branch .of his spec ch.
wised already enough' to• engage, them to .stand for- If the result of the ,debate should not be faveurable
ward in the defence of the country, if attacked, and :• to .the proposition of referring ahe petition to the
abt to surrender to the enemy. The same- grounds Colomittise it was -at least desirable that nothing
for opposing the'enemy with, undiminished zeal.end should pass in the debate that could, tend to infianie
firitinv,s 'would remain even though the.prayer it/f thtase animosities which every one West be elisions'
the Petition should not be unowdiately grantede--. tb 'awe extinguished. The. Right Hon. Geiitienian
Thus. there was every reason tOr proceeding with _wawa coneurwith him in thinking, that the line of
! good temper on both sides, and he hoped that desie.r. eonduet he pointed out, viz. an interchaoge bf good
' sable priuciple would not be lo,t sight of.. .Great ....offices, and the practice 01 Mutual cuuctliatten,
Britain, with helms! asy hem side, had to count, upon ; wouid do more, io the first instance, toseuteve
five millions of initaTutants in that country, ten mil- mosities, than any motion that could •be brought
lions -exports two millions of rent, Ana two millions forward iii this House, Such. instruction, entoreed
.of interest. This was the fair statement, of mu- 'by the" w.!ight of the Right Hon. Gentleinan's ex-
teal stake that the em, ire had in Ireland, and. that- topples-must be produdive of, the greaaest practtcai
Ireland bad in the empire. There was dn -both sides' t good.: The grounds on which Ike Right Hon. Gen-
amPleground of attSohnient,.and let the event of the denims called for a Committee were precisely the
. 'question of this night be what it• may, it should not
.same that were urged without success un a former
create any division. He hoped is would be felt occasion, and they bad recc,ived no addition of ;
at least, how criminal it was to attempt to govern -a strength iiuce. He could look. hack to the recent I
Country, such as he had justly described Ireland to s decisioe on this point, the Right kiwi. Gentleman
be, by exciting divisions, and by such paltry arts, biniselt could not look back to it without being cOn-
or by any other means than the true legiti- vincest that :tit inoffensive refusal would produce less
mate principles of-the Constitution. -To bring this . ;mischief its the State titan a tesoctant and towed as-
point td the test : • Suppose. the whole- naval force a . sent. L any body who knew the.stetc of the pub- t
of the-enemy to sail .et et once from the ditieNut ports lie zimind.in this country, say whether there was nut
where it is now stationed, and to make directly for strong prevailing sentimout against cuncession to .
Ireland, what. Woutd be the- measures which it the Catholics. It this was sounded in reason, it
would be advisable to take in defence ? Would was not vastly to be overcome ; but 41," it was even
you send a dispatch to array the corporations, to ex- founded only on prejudice, the Right Houttur-
elude the. Catholics from Parliament, to put dowii able Gentleman was well aware that such spry-
their hierarchy, or to 'Make them take the. oath of judices did not yield 'to repeated attacks of teas
supremacy ? On the coistrary; would you hot do . son any more than the prejudices on the other '
something to increase their interest, and to enhance side to ptildl laws. It would tse of tittle ►time to
their energy in the general defence ? Did not the have a majority tor the measure in the Hutise, if .
argument apply to the present moment ? Why not, there was an ittflaineu majority agJinst tt out ut the
while the power remained and leisure served, du House. It were s.uulo he a disappointineni ;in the
something to remove a-divtsion so fetal, and to pre- present instance, 'lsere would be a conio-1i1u11.311 re. ,
pare for the great -battle we should have to tight Electing that Int object of the motion must. untinate-
with our most inveterate-enemy ? How should-we; ly, though graduail) , prevail. He, was uubsitling to
blush-41-we-lost atsy part . theshereditary glory" Mix VCISUpiII toptcs in this debate.' Ili,: ti.ght Hu-
of our ancestors on the approach of the callow 1 U0W13431V utletilab opposite had very scruputthisly
The Catholic Petition was Vresented aft the abstained. trona &MAI lOVes, died s% it/1 heti, ai tusk'.
Petition of a few individuals, nut as time Petting' the Cathoisc questioo sa used never
,be vaity pies.
of a people.. He should ad derogatorily itsijts im• tiou. But lie feared some of those who counter
penance if he. did not state that ; but he was Hot lOW the lionourafile Genileatan wuutu .eke ano-
desirous to make any vain diSalay of numbers.— flier
course, and it thew was'any thing that made.
The Catholics applied to the 'Disuse riot in terms hint regret having risen' su ratty in the debate, it
of humiliation,- but as freemen to freenten, knows wits its depriving him of the opportunity of meeting
ing the value of the House, and feeling their own thaw petsun.it charges, which he certainly had no
value. When Austria had fallen, when Russia dreed of enaluntering. The Right Hon. Gentle-
took part against us; when Prussia had ceased to exist luau's speech was SO tt .slily vousiruCted acid direct,.
as a Power, the Catholics wished to come forward ed, teat whether 'his motion succeeded or laded, -it
' to defend, but at the same tine to shag:. the comm. nni,t do eminent service. There was One principle.'
, stitution ; or, if the power of the enemy should pre- of the night Hon. Gentleman, however, wince must ;
nail, to gO to the grave as united freemenwhh arm'. be' received *ith-seme reserye. When the Legisla. '
in their hands. On these grounds he should move— Rite limited by law the snare of political power to •
that the petition he referred to a Committee of the ' by held by any class of own, .sine it was proposed
whole House, adding these two wi lies, that we
to repeal that limitation, the Iseg,islature was to judge
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may long enjoy our liberties, anti what - was the only' of the-pruprieti of complying wit it. the propubition,
alternative becoming freemen, that we may never .1041 it More disorder would arise neuter the repeal
survive them. than lreni the continuance of the.limitation, it was
Mr. M. FITZGERALD seconded the motion. right to
,Coutinue it. kie. again 'recommended the
No person appearing disposed 'to answer Mr. soothing and conciliating system proposed by the
GRATTAN, the question was called for, and the; gal- Right Hon. Gentleman, and trusted that inure be-
lery cleared, for a division, but no diviiion took mu-fit woulti be obtained by sending back the Peti-
piece ; and after seine taunting obServations from • hoe withuot any irritatieerienguages than.even by
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway), upoo'the silence of His referring it to -the Committee by means of a violent
Majesty's Ministers,. .• • ; and contentious majority. 1.)13 these grounds ha
Mr.. Secretary CANNING rose and said, if he and „. would give his vote consclentiuusly against the mw-
his colleagues wished to, go to a silent vote on this - Col, with this. satisla4tion, that nothing that had
question, it was certainly not froth any Want of dia.; becu hithertoeaid could be a bar to the claims of the
position to slmw the utmost resped to the Right Petitioners in future. He hoped nothing,. of a pre-
Hqn. who- had brought-forward the judicial nature would be said, or, atleast, that, no
siness iu so.aLle, eloquent, and can;:lid i wanner, : each thine, would reach the country where it could
but rather from a perfect coincidence in some of the !probably do mischief.
sentiments Most particularly impressed by the Right •
Mr. WlNPitaet -observed, that the speech of the
Hem Gentleinao, and a desire :to:give the vote I'M Right 1-1011. kittralee)ali riSelitided him of an express
should feel it his duty to. give, in the manner most
emu used by Lord: Cheaterfield in one of his 'letters.
consistent with the Right Hon. Gentleman's TCCOM.
That Noble- Lord, giving his poetical opinion on the
mendation. Whoever shot:lid come- in. aid of the.
Tragedy of Caw, reinarised on the passage with
Right Honourable Gentleinan, need certainly. sot ber Which that Tragedy commenced...
looked forward 1,0 as a more powerful antagonist.--
-e! = siewn is 01/C4G641, the morning lours,
There were tunny strong reasons why the extension _ si Anti heavily ru clouds lump on the day."
of this discussion should not be wished tor.. If his
That Wilma:ly related what a watchman told every
Majesty's Ministers could see no prospect of a sue- . tiody when he' cried out " past four o'clock and a
Cessful issue to the question before the House,
lond3i.Morning.". So of the speech of the Right
and saw much mischief in the dieussion, was
Honourable Gentleman, in the exuberant clog-hence
it unreasonable that they should be
wining to avoid of which not any thing was to be toutid but that
the debate ? Was that course of proeeediug
the discussion would be incenveuient to hi-in and
to the Honourable Gentlemen opposite. .Had his friends and therefore that it ought to be depre•
they forgot when they- themselves were in power.
cited. Ttie Right HoiL Gentleman lamented the
and with the fair intluence of Governotent attempt-
existence of religious disseniions. Su must revery one.
But alines~ 'did exist, the eueitien was, what it ed to carry a measure somewhat connected with this
subject,l hey did every thing in their powernoprevent
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!would be best to du with theta ; and on this subject
the agitation of this generslquestiOn before the
House,
it appeared td him a singular mode of procedure, by
which they now thought it impossible to deter a PM
Way of allaying those disseniions fled SADSfyillg the
or sr month, without infinite danger to the constitu-
!- large bosty ut people among !'whom they existed, to
mischief of an
lion of the Country If it was trot thereogsts....!_i_entisteall_th)esy, a,skeedti,4oodiet!o,t
Was
sen to
ne discuss;
o this
unsuccessful agitation of the question that they des
precated, what other motive could they have, ex, qt 7',...c14.1 u . d t crt
prat-neat eopedtents of whichthe .ti ,ht
that of, the meanest temporary and personal interest 1
deafen hail s ukete and as the Right-Hun. Gentle-
If 'they would say, 144 by cOnsiderations of fair
Ulan's P, .
they were' induced .
‘.torther opinioos and conduct had al-
and Statesman-like - prudence ways leaned to the side Of the -Catholies,.it was truly
- to put off t he,discussioni.then he should. be glad to.
elcnow what thete,was now in the state of liurope au expe4ient Unit would be verY. prattically useful to.
reader it a more proper peritur for Pgitai Jog oeques-
him on the" -
pr -sent occaSien, "'The ICss that is said
ec
titan: Though he bought with. the vale anxiety as ;. •
"he ctl the Right'' Hun. Gentleman, and
Lie mu far agreed with lulu, that lie could nut help
the Hert. Gentlemen opposite, no Stichlavourable 4:47
thinking ii he had followed his first impulse, and
cumstancestocCurred totina. L-lewould nbw.state Why • retnaitl
• it was devisable to bring that question to 33 gustedilea:4 , silent, lie would have better cou-
his own charader. Tile Right .HOn., Ueus
decision's* possible. It was impossible not to agree