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ordinary einharrassineut in our foreign relations, he trusta:
he would he pardoned for feeling some embarrassment,
and that he could not be expected, in the presence of so
many better capable of (Ling them justice, to enter much
at large into the consideration of the topics which they
tugeested. Although it was not for him (Mr. Dundee)
to offer an opinion on the cause of the Revolution its
France, or to say whether it proceeded from the Sove-
reign or the people, or whether it was produced by the
acts of the King or his advisers, yet he was convinced
there was note Member of that House, whatever might
he his political creed, who slid not regret that event..
( Hear, hear, from the Opposition Benches. )—He repeated
he should feel surprised if there was any Member who did
not join with the majority in regretting the events which
arose from that Revolution, and the circumstances which
attended it—circumstances which were calculated to
awaken those feelings respecting civil distinctions which
it was fondly hoped had been allayed for_ ever, and which
were calculated to produce others so dangerous to the
tranquillity of Europe..-(llear, hear.)—While he de-
plored these events, it was, however, a subject of congra-
tulation that the illustrious person now called to the throne
of France, and who was said to be distinguished by almost
every grace which adorns humanity, had declared his de-
termination to preserve most faithfully the relations of
amity with this country. After alluding to the fact that
the other Powers of Europe bad recognised the new Go-
vernment of France as promptly as this country, the Hon.
Member then observed that the same reasons which pro-
duced regret fur the changes which had taken place in
France must operate to produce still greater regret for the
disturbances in the Netherlands. It might, indeed, have
been supposed that the people of a country which bad suf-
fered so much from the horrors of war, and which had
been so often made the arena on which the great Powers
of Europe decided their quarrels, would have been taught
by the sail experience of former calamities, to restrain
their feelings within the bounds of moderation, and to
have adopted every reasonable method of redressing their
grievances, before they had recourse to the power of arms.
As, however, they bad unfortunately pursued a different
course, it was some consolation, in the midst of the anxie-
ties felt for the peace of Europe, when a country so inti-
mately connected with the causes of their former contests
was in a state of anarchy, that, however appalling the
prospect of war might be, or however touch the present
unsettled state of religion might affect the interests of all
other countries, it was, he repeated, gratifying to find that
no jealousies prevailed on the subject between the Great
Powers of Europe--'-that they were determined to take no
mean advantage of the calamities with which the Nether-
lands might be afflicted, and that they were resolved to
respect in their full force those Treaties. of 1815, and use
their most strenuous exertions in obedience to them, to
restore the tranquillity of Europe. —( Hear. )—Adverting to
Portugal, he said he was glad to hear the Ruler of that
country had determined to give hie subjects an act of am-
nesty, anti he hoped that in doing so he would also learn
for the future to respect the laws of humanity. If the
Portuguese have chosen Don Miguel for their Sovereign, it
was not for this country or any country to dictate to them
more than to France the person they should select ;
and be approved rf the course pursued by the Govern•
ment towards Portugal, although he did nut think the
recognition of his authority could inspire In the House Or
the country any feerngs of respect for his character as a
Sovereign. Greece had not been mentioned in his Ma-
jesty's Speech, but he felt bound to declare that he be-
lieved the delay 6f the settlement of that country had not
proceeded from any want of care or attention on the part
of his Majesty's Government ; and he believed that the
new Government of France would be found as anxious as
Russia or this country to co-operate in the fulfilment of
those treaties which would secure to it perfect independ-
ence, and enable its inhabitants to indulge once snore that
spirit of enterprise for which they hid been in former
times so celebrated. Turning from our foreign to our do-
mestic relativity, it was a matter of congratulation to all
lovers of their country to know, that however gloomy
might be the prospects of the people to the apprehensions
of some persons, the seeds of civil dissension had not yet
been successfully sown in this country. For 130 years,
since the period of the Revolution, the people had en-
joyed, under every circumstance, full and uninterrupted
prosperity. Abroad their arms had prospered by the cou-
rage and devotion of the people—at home their liberties
had been protected and secured by the working of their
justly-praised Constitution. He would say, indeed, that
England was the great birth-place of the Temple of Li-
berty. In it, of all countries on the earth was to be found
that alliance of social order with good government, which
formed the happiness of the people, and which was far re-
moved from the visionary plans of those Constitution-
makers, who sought to pervert the judgment that they
might the better instigate to mischief. The laws and the
religion of this country formed its security and its safe-
guard, while other nations groaned under the yoke of
tyranny and oppression ; and while the people of other
countries either suffered without relief or subverted their
Government and institutiony, the Constitution of England
has remained untouched and unaffected, like that sacred
chain of nature which binds the jarring elements in
peace.---( Hear.) Disorders, it was true, there had been,
and attempts, be knew, were not wanting to excite dis-
content and dissatisfaction ; but they arose not from any
defect in that Constitution, but front the depravity of
ltu-
matt nature ; they were the work of nien who were
wretched enough to contrive any kind of mischief, but
who lacked the courage to execute it--s(Loud and conti-
nued cheera)—and who would render others tlt. sole vie-
time of their own dark and dangerous policy.—(Cheers.)
He was convinced, however, that there existed, among
the intelligent and enlightened portion of the people of this
country, a bond of union Which was unknown to others;
and that in that bond of union, under the safeguard of the
Constitution, there was no real ground of apprehension.
lie looked, however, in these critical times, with confidence
in his Majesty's Government, and particularly its his Right
Hon. Friend near him, Sir Robert Peel, and the Noble
Duke at the head of the Treasury ; and be was cons
vinced that the Parliament would not hesitate to arm them
with powers suited to the exigencies of the occasion. He
could not conclude, without deploring the lois which, that
House had sustained in the melancholy death of one of its
most eminent Statesmen—a death the snore melancholy
from its taking place within sight of that town, to the
prosperity of which his efforts had always been especially
directed, and at the moment when one of the great objects
of his desire, as well as of its inhabitants, had bean brought
to a glorious and successful termination.—(Hear, hear.)—
Whatever difference of opidion might prevail with regard
to the commercial policy of that gentleman, he was sure
that there was no Member of that House who did not feel
regret for his death, and deplore the loss of a man whose
d
ttoisleinhetssievrevrieceuonfquheisstei
glum might lie styled foreign to the subject before the
ooluleidtt,rya."—d (vlhloesear,iihfee!siral—beeTnhdiseveoutleo!
House ; but although the Right Hon. Gentleman's political
opponent, be thought be should ho unworthy of a place
in that House if lie failed to pay a necessary tribute to his
talents and his services..(Hear, heer.)—With regard to
the questions of the Civil List and the Regency, be was
•;ohets
filidoeln they
wet
;an, would
het receiveereforeeve shouldr justy
now
concludes erati consideration
yf from
pressing his belief that the distress of the country, felt so
strongly at the commencement of the Session, has, as it
was anticipated, subsided under the influence of time. He
thasiked the House for the indulgence with which they
had been pleased to hear him. He would no longer trey-
pass upon their time, but would conclude by expremaing
his cordial concurrence in the Address moved by his Noble
Friend.—( Hear, Lear.)

The SPEA KEIL having read the Address from the Chair,
Lord A LTHOHP said, that the subjects to which his
Majesty's Speech, and the Address which had been moved
by the Noble Lord referred, might be classed under two
I,,,eads—our domestic and our foreign relations; on both
of which he begged to sly a few words, With respect to
the first, he had heard with gratification that part of the
King's Speech which deelered his Majesty's determination
to enforce strict economy In every brands of the public ex,
penditure. Such a declaratiom if duly acted upon, would
comet unieate general satisfaction throughout the country.
With respect also to the passage, in his Majesty's Speech
which related to the Civil List, it was moat gratifying to
him, and it must he most gratifying to every one, to find
that his Majesty was disposed to place his interest in the
hereditary revenues, and in the other funds which, in for-
mer settlements of the Civil List, had been reserved to the
Crown, at the disposal of Parliament. He Was quite
sure that in doing so iris Majesty might rely with per.
feet confidence on the House and the Country : because he
was quite sure, that while the House and the. country
must feel the absolute necessity of the most rigorous eco-
twiny and retrenchment, they would be very sorry indeed
to &Tighe such an arrangement with respect to the Civil
List, as would be incompatible with the comfort and dig.e
oily of the Sovereign. He hoped, however, that whine
ever this subject was brought under the coneideration.
of Rtriitlintnt, ". the particular interests of 'his Majesty
would be carefully separated froin all other interests ; fur
nothing could be more inconvenient, or tittle calculated
to foster unjust prejudices, as that questions relating to
the maintenance ofthe -
proper dignity of the Crown should
he united to question, with which they ought to be altoge-
ther me„,theetee. He hoped, therefore, that the esti-
mates of the Civil List, when bull:tatted to the Howie,
'night be submitted in a shape which would admit of
their being discussed with-reference solely to what was

due it the honour And dignity of the Crown ; and tbat'
the other questions to which he adverted should be consi-
dered with reference to the general expenditure of the
country. As to the Regency question, he was happy to
understand that it was to be brought forward. Until;
however, the provisions which it was intended to pro-
pose, were known, it would, of course, be impossible to
make any particular observation on that subject. With
reference to the last topic of a domestic nature to which
hie Majesty's Speech adverted, it must be quite unneces-
sary for hint to say that he (Lord Althorp) lamented as
much as any man could lament the turbulence and malici-
ous mischief which had been manifested in various parts of
the country, and especially. in the neighbourhood of the
tnetropolis. It was certainly moat deeply to be regretted
that any portion of the people, however suffering front dis-
tress, should be so misguided as to be induced to de-
stroy the property of their employers, awl thereby to
diminish the power of those employers to assist them. He
would not say any more on the domestic topics of his Ma-
jesty's Speech. As to our foreign relations, and first with
respect to the recent occurrences in France, be begged to
observe that the Honourable Seconder bad expressed a
regret at those occurrences which was not, to be found ha
the King's Speech. All that the Speech did was to an-
nounce the effect as that the elder branch of the House of
Bourbon no longer reigned in France, and that the Duke
of Orleans had been called to the throne by the title of
King of the French." if the llon. Gentleman useant by
his regret that he regretted that any Government had been
induced to invade the liberties of a country, in such a regret
he (Lord Althorp) perfectly concurred. But if the' Hon.
Gentleman meant that he regretted that a Sovereign and
a Ministry so misconducting themselves should suffer for
their behaviour, in a regret of that nature he could not for
a moment concur. As to the Netherlands, he was sorry
that his Majesty had been advised to express any opiuion
on the state of public affairs in those countries. He en-
tertained considerable objection to the part of the Ad-
dress which expressed to his Majesty a correspondent
opinion on that subject ; but it was so inconvenient, and
was attended with so much disadvantage to discuss a
question of that nature ovelan occasion like the present.
that he would abstain fintn saying or doing any thing
more than entering his protest against any inter-
ference on the part of our Government in the domestic
concerns of the Netherlands. As to the external and di-
plomatic considerations which might arise out of existing
circumstances, that was a question which stood on very
different 'grounds. With respect to the proposed recog-
nition of the Sovereign of Portugal, when lie considered
that the pre.ent Sovereign of that country had been a
Sovereign de facto for three years, his hostility against
any foreign interference with a de facto Government com-
pelled hint to say that be did not think we should do well
if we delayed the proposed measure. Having stated his
views on theta several points, he would proceed to make a
few observations on the general state of the country. He
confessed that he was not alarmed on that point. He did
not believe that the country was in such a state of general
discontent as to justify immediate alarm. At the same
time be felt that great skill and great care would he neces-
sary to guide the country 'safely through its difficulties;
and he was bound to say, that he did not think his Ma-
jesty's present Ministers were qualified for so arduous au
undertaking. But while he stated this he would add, that
he should look at their measures, and if those measures
appeared to him to be such as to deserve approbation,
they should receive his most cordial support. Such
he was sure would also be found to be the sentiments and
intentions of all his Hon. Friends near him.—(Hear.)
At the same time, feeling as he at present did with respect
to the existing Administration, he should certainly not nb-
ject to any proposition, the tendency of which might be to
displace them. On the question of economy and retrench-
ment, he thought the country had a right to demand the
strictest in every department of the public expenditure.
He thought that the country had a right to demand this ;
and he also thought his Majesty's Government ought in
the present Session to take a more extensive and States-
man-like view of the general system of our taxation, than
they had hitherto done. It would be affectation, how-
ever, on his part, if be were to say that he had any expec-
tation they would undertake such a task. It might
be, however, that they contemplated some proceeding of
the nature he alluded to; and if so, he confessed it would
come upon hint as a very agreeable surprise. The object
ought to be to take such an enlarged view of the principle
of our taxation as might tend to render its presipre as
light as possible on the industry of the country. There
was another great question which he had long supported,
the importance of which had not hitherto appeared to
have been duly estimated by the country, but which now
seemed likely to assume a more practical character. The
people at large s,eerned at length to be convinced that
the most effective measure towards a remedy fur the
various evils under which they laboured, was a Re-
form in Parliament.—(Hear, bear, hear.) For him-
self lie believed that if concessions on this subject had for-
merly been made, less would have satisfied the people than
would now satisfy them. This was not to him, however,
a matter of the slightest regret. The reform ought to be
extensive; anti he was very far from being sorry that at
the late elections the people seemed to be almost universally
of the saute opinion. He hoped, that in the course of
the present Session much would be effected in furtherance
of this most desirable object ; and every measure of that
description should receive his most cordial support.
The Marquis of BLANDFORD expressed his regret
that his Majesty, in his Speech to the new Parliament,
had omitted to speak of the last Parliament in the tercets
of reprobation which it so justly deserved. Reform he
considered to be essential to time salvation of the State ;
Reform, obtained not by violence, but by constitutional
efforts. So thinking, he bad embodied his sentiments in
an amendment to the Address, which amendment he would
now propose. The Noble Marquis here read the follow-
ing emendmeet

ii
In this its first address to the Throne of a new King, instead
of making itself the mere echo of the Ministers of the Crown,
this House feels that it ought to show itself to be the very mir-
ror of the people ; and, that to do so, it must not fail to lay be.
fore your Majesty all their thoughts and feelings, all their wants
and wishes, as well as all their loyalty to your office, and attach-
ment to your person.
"The discharge of this important duty,and the present serious
aspect of public affairs, render it impossible, as well as impro.
per, to address your Majesty otherwise than at considerable
length.—(A laugh.)
",Your Majesty is to be informed that this House, in common
with the great majority of your_people, holds the memory of the
House of Commons of the last Parliament in utter hatred and
contempt, for the following reasons
w First, because the lest House of Commons uniformly turned
a deaf ear to the just complaints and petitions of your people;
and secondly, because instead of acting upon the old constitu-
tional principle of withholding the supplied until the grievances
of the people were redressed, which it was earnestly and seriously
urged to do, it seemed to consider itself of no other use, and
chosen for no other purpose, but to vote, night after night', tm.
tnense sums of money, to be drawn from the pockets of the
people; exhibiting, at the same time, the utmost indif krenco.
and often the most sovereign contempt, of all consideration in
what manner such enormous sums could be obtained, without
the risk of involving the great productive leterests of the cows-
try in the most extensive embarrassment and ruin.
That in proof of this your Majesty has only, to look at the
unprecedented number of bankruptcies and Insolvencies of far.
mars, traders, and others of your honest and industrious sub.
jects, through all the years ofthe existence of the last House of
Commons; and your Majesty will thereby be convinced that
while great numbers of landed proprietors have been driven
from their paternal mansions, and have been compelled to see
theta occupied by loan-mongers and stock-jobbers, while others
have removed themselves, their families, and their fortunes, for
ever from your shore.; and while the middle classes of your sub.
jects have been reduced with frightful rapidity to the labouring
class, the labouring class has been reduced to absolute beggary
and want. That numbers have , actually died from starvation,
and others have been obliged to submit to the most degrading
services, and to see themselves and their families the victims of
fever, induced by famine..-that thus, in a short time, instead of
ruling, like the two first Princes of the /louse of Brunswick,
over a nation devoted to your Government by the happiness and
blessings It should enjoy, your Majesty may find yourself
ruling over a nation of pauper* and of placemen of those
who live upon the taxes and the poor rates on the one hand, and
on the other hand of loamniongers -anti borough-mongers wit.
lowing in the stagnant mid unproductive accumulations of' their
joint and several monopolies. buck, Sire, are the effects of
the eeeursed and unnatural funding system, in its last aganted,
and tile vein attempts to save this monster in ,England are at
this moment overturning the Governments of other countries
far more rapidly than the tbily, or even the wickedness of. their
rulers. That the acts of the bite House of Commons, bath of
omission and commission, under which the people of this Once
happy country have been brought to such a state of wretched:
Deis and suffbring, inculpate all concerned in the highest degree
of criminality, from which nothing can excuse them but a sin-
cere and contrite confession of thr without a total and inane:
diate alteratiou of their conduct, which it will be the
duty of this House to expe by name to your Majesty all those
who are feeding up ao the vitals of the country, as the only
chance left, since argument has failed, of saving itself, and Per-
haps even the Throne of your Majesty, from the storms of con,
vulsion.
" That, in order to have obvieted such corriplicated evils as are
hereitibefore set forth, it was the duty of the late House of Com:
mons to have done more, and to have talked much lest.
" Ilutt the House was told, both within these walls and with.
out these walls, that the reason vvhy it felt no sympathy in their
sufferings, no anxiety for their relief was because the majority
of its Members had an hderoat directly opposite to the interest*
of the people ; that this majority was not chosen as of right, II
ought to have been by the majority of the landewnent an
houseludders of England; Inn was nominated and appointed by
a few individuate, who, partly by the effect* of time and see.
dent, but still inure by a barefaced perversion of the spirit mid
meaning of our laws and Constitution had acquired the power
of selling, or otherwise disposing of, (be units in this House, in
such manner es best suited their own Interests.
" That the late House of commons was alto repeatedly called
upon, entreated and implored, to set shout reforming such a
Monstrous abuse, but that it unitbrmly missed to listen to such
call ; and, though hettiMthille fluctuating, and changing, upon
other questions of vital' consequence to the century, upon this
question of reform it determined to follow the advice of- one of
its Ova member*, and °poor its awn temporary elective dietti
tors, dependent upon its own corrupt and prostituted votes,',
which has been truly called ' the twist odious of all taring of
tyranny,' to oppose reform lit every shape to the end of its poll,
heal existence ;'—and that, to the eternal disgrace of the last
House of COMMOiIS it kept this profligate determination obsti.
nately to the last. but your Majesty may be assured, that if
your Majesty had not been advised to dissolve the last Parliament
In the sodden ;And unexpected manner in which it. wait ilimioiveti
the late glorious events wbich hare taken place in france won

baVabad a mighty tillaCt in.ehakine Otis protheate detftlara
of. the-said House, and of inddeing ft to courder thedfeet,
between the guilt of bringing on death upon a nation by 1
poison,or by a sudden blow ; and that, by the law of Englee ti
is such a thing as treason against the people as well Wire:
against the King. Your ' Majoity may al ,o be furttirriai
that when great numbers of the nobility, being mollies e
PriTY Conned, were charged, in despite of the eaneesta"
of the church, with being traffickers of the seats in thello
and that one of the &tilts of such traffic was, not an eadett
of , grace, itiadoint and understanding,' but an eadownal,,,
more than half 3 million a year of the public money
selves ; and that another fruit was the patronage of the, F
of the army and navy, and of the collection of about 6.10 F
year of taxes among the.familiee, frieteees awl detradl"
masters of seats' in the House of Commons. If thee
had been seriously considered, it is not to be helloed
blood of Englistimen would submit to be for ever venuetlia,
such political disgrace, but that there would hate toe'
amongl
ofalE Parliament
itati
g hri:nmeopeisie.....ywcouluAhti
odhrnar.stthrtia Syoafitt:rithiedri last b
eusantniabaibtiva t7hoinewoledbtuaxinendrsiino.vittd,4diusedUnoenewrilciotirn:
it ought,
or power of trafficking in the representation of the Conroe]
taxes at least in the same proportion that it vsh
the currency, and thus half the present amount ante 02
and ought to have been taken off, Including the whol: or,
upon
every
principieocologies
iloudfsectrirlet.lainstootrilsileihaidyterinchoulligeiud
cruel and harassing Excise IaWS, and all those cheating I'
taxes by which every labouring man who earns and expo _
a year has 181. takentrom him. All the just twis§ a
Government and the interest of the debt might the t,.
duced, with perfect equity, in the same proportion to Or
and all the unjust expenses of Government in uselet. aloe
cure places, the diplomatic, colonial, and all other del art
kept up solely for the purpose of corruption:lnlet 4nd ,
have been done away with, if the last House of uoto,o° ,
been the real, and not the sham, representatives or the
That the late attempt to destroy the freedom alba f*i. t„
freedom of Election in France, and thereby the more el ar
,c
to rob the people of that 'country of their right,,,aud Po°,
never would have been made, if the Housed t'anm f ,
bad the sense and honesty to have mitered fteedmnstill h
lion in England, that the King of Francs nUilht en,
been :upon his throne, and ell danger have been Jr._ t
horn **the mischiefs of anarchy arid contiohni, I.line t„.
InlYyoubren
anti learned youth of Frence, anti the .11101!T 0),
anee of the brave and honest 'working men ot S
~_,.,
avoided by the unexampled wisdom o cma
did not hesitate to risk their Ives, when he saw that 11 y r
tyranny and taxes was about to be fixed for ever ono ttg
...,
on their children. And in reference to this affair, sn,,l..!_uiii
in its consequences, too much praise and thenks caftons,..,!„
whose sons were heretofore AMIN as f - 'ill .., i and setting
rtwhensaiencehearofacthteer
of
the achievrnent of liberty,' an taking the ~--,ile French e F
example of acknowledging the new gtag,,°‘,.',.,- t ang Highs
to tamely,
the p
like your Majesty, sits upon his throne my ... - God hem
all titles, that which is said to be the vcilce 1-i nou end
Majesty, for the honour zou hspv,ectedrifert
oreda furriti.._
vice, it is the unanimous opinion of ,hie 11°41ea '''' be lice
tion, not to say of all Europe, that
this
act
'a"
yourju' own si
and to ..,. botty
°titmice, and of the true interests of)our subgeji,or n;
Majesty, therefore, deserves to enjOY the bur' for the WI
may be reinembered by millions still unbent,
_.... and I
blessings of peace and friendship between fraroallect a[l
land, which this act of_ your
alibisa aierY Ptiouse of el
solidating. And the Members , the first...t
al it o
mons in the new Parliament, promise your M237t.,14je the,*
they should, that if others leaxii nothing bY fil gro,dy IP
and as they do not doubt that a King, ..,„„,io sot
clustrious c
promoting the welfare and happiness of the in
~..aan bit 0
such prtiors of his desire of being beloved by he rye .• es,
that a King, who more than thirty years
‘f/ae.7h. `se of
in uth in Parliament, denounced ' moitpali..,:Lret"; our,'
state,' and called upon the legislature to '
-1 end Ms Crown eto
never endure to see his people Mine-, onopeystthr"
hazard by that worst of all inOnopolieeethe In ,air Noe
of the House of Commons. So theY Imp Cm
l'hp Do°l'
withdraw your confidence and the patronsiebwokhoe Conn 011,1
all persons engaged in, or resolved upon LIP . y
1 Nur 1 al.
traffic, and thereby implicating your MeieFfl,llt4oj, deo oft
And, if In so doing, Majy, who ai yeef,„,y, oho
system, and above .11 suspicim in the eyesor..rtif-,Weenient,
have to encounter a factious opposition to Yoliot„, of Coeloo,'
if the usurping proprietors ot seats in tine
should be so lost to every sense of elef"'„,siest the antic
interest, as to dare to set u their usurpfillo!-`,",tne alajesti '
just, and undoubted prerogatives of the Croe FleF)ribt, !look' I
rely upon the zealous and determined supier!:!,„,s
OW IN"— 'heft ofJ
of your people, even to the last drop of _
..,b; ,
Q..,
" And your Majesty may be assured the. ""'
righteous ni Die;
complete annihilation of this odious end ~....,,boea
of meats in the House of Conuuons will es:rug:lF:V(lW.
unanswerable demands of your peeele Fa l) ow they tiSFelOl
cient laws and Constitution, of which theykno .
....c‘teue.
moot wrongfully deprived by the cor
!lithe lass, !' t;:,nerede,
71:: mfaj":)°,,, greg
'An( wr 11°4
this House, within little more tha
w.„och yeeh .
which is but as yesterday in the history or la hunt nos
si,
tiquity, and such transcelulant fame tftretroooory 0_
world.. That, next to the disesteem in wh_ifFi :for reueg
last House of Commons is held by tam Pu'aittleforul, vo,
enter upon the great question of earltsentelt _ on,/the
...,,
be the grievous disappointment andlu4l oefTrow isrge I.
if nothing more than the representation o ~, „0000
.at master r this 110
were to be Mitred them, while the grt _
_...11 n_ .
proprietory interest and domination Ovrer,..T.",t„toeyasle,:oo 1
should be allowed to continue. And you ap:iti,.afe nit's 4
assured that the great majority of Your 11.. „,„„,,,,
and 0 the.,
alter the frame of the Government of hire,
~.,doc.ere on, .
mons, which has endured so long, and bee111;:l owe
achy
advantages to the comrnuuity ; ueitheanr dot 1,, ,or
y Andra
representation unknown and uetried in
1 maw to aeraar,
of their ancestors; but
,they will fleece,
Iran ,„
I vac.- -• roj,
wherever, according to hathr end , belt ~o 0 he
of representation has been bounded, there s
sary or expedient to claim or deautiig any history - :0 iell
the burden of taxation."
The SPEAKER read the Address and the A"'
and put the qtiestion. but
the Bono,
Mr. C. PELHAM next addressed
totally inaudible in the gallery. .
..,,,,e, 04 sests I
Mr. O'CONNELL seconded the Amengtoeoltopt
Mr. LONG NYELI.ESIX.Y thee ;ince we done'
inaudible for a long time. Tb. fir° .istedis 1
b ere
heard, was to the effect that he .. be ,„.„, :To
the oef° al
himself a friend to Reform, it'd ik was rejoic
to maintain the pledge he bail g''se proceeding Frig'
„s no- r: sin
see that the spirit of reforin ee , i la.s (I-
nd the sake
phantly throughout Europe I, ~ ,nti nest oppre ,
was, that great distress prevsiteu s
~trnio thruuee
was I Pie" " tear
and that a spirit of disaffection 0„,00
‘.....at a,
the land-:..-( Loud cries of "Nos n" "i 0, peools wo. $
was satisfied that the general sense tit t
that moutes!og!tit
better or more loyal than it was, Li. it reform, resin„
that there never was a period at
WOW , , teco
e Per'"' re s
and retreuchinent, could with ru"r . the eel ,
hserving 0 to
effected in our fiscal policy. ° I.l•Aucs w,e
far atl it
,e
of Revolution (and as _d__
_Liao, for .
..
ero'
eerned, he would call it a glorioss
ittecelO'buy tiny
...,
1, lb.'"
unmarked by any excess--doetan lewd earls
thit
(Clittera,)—and conducted and cidoP „id say ,
iv here aerie
he
Wal" i )1,04
exemplar moderation)—(Cuses, imagine. ilia ~,,o,
there acsw any man so stultified oe to
11btop plaza
rill
tion end Revolutionary sentinteete Wa._,
tireoke. ~a,
twit 0 have
..." to OP% ma
and the same commotion., would cZteP d %rota iti.,,' to
or
re
winasß:algtiisfiurned, 'tbbeatwelisheisa6tuerpiPrign:ipnl7l::
tos'4;i„e, 1.11;111i
their way, pervading all the countries ) 0
lt. sf.ti,
00
and the Prussian States--(Cheelo)-4: riceoied to slegsrs.,
by the iloly Alliance, and kept, by the I it: vo,ith ,
eoti
from expressing those liberal Radial as the 01,1
every bosom. Such being his Pf'u eon Ilaiitelect
was not what was originally
time for that had gone past--but the were be DO,
.4
next best thiag; and that was to see
el
_I. they roulalvi
worse ; and to secure this, the only to llD"_ss ilia or i
.
tion; and in it he War not singular. e .00,ething . s
sue was that of nen•intervention. Tiii,tevb"en I,„ vorreamt
Address, it seemed to him that he bear s his men•, 1
something advocating opinion' to the e fie
what was his surprise, on referring .
matie not , 0 si
House of Lords, to fiad that in a dIl"" , orellicif4,;ol
hand-writing of his Grace the Duke °,' .0, ,„,
g It '' jsy ...
dated from the Congress of v
• eron •
0, „,,e 1 ~
that it was the intention of the Cabinet I, !",4 flu yol':,
s similar ° debetes
,to 1
hood '" et "
vitae from the general policy w, t, cloorees got
mice. and that the policy of the Brit's'f'itio, of ei.thvroof
be that of non-intervention in the L,,,,d tu° 0 .
Naar if the passage in the 5pn04n.14:0,,, rOfat ini
which alluded to the condition Of .I."'' ' aele".- ef
1
4 ode. ...„,,,,ent _
press any intention on this part .-
or ft.rear':,. eras
interfere in the nature, principle, °`,„Tenore "0,0 ol
new Belgian Gov, rutnent, be truld ifpreoc. , 01
'ate - coon
ingly ; but if, on the contrary, 'he emno°,,, 000
proposed to be extended so far
~,_s' ,o Oa "-oil,
France to take measures for putuPgua- !shoo! Ow
and giving a free Goverment to b-„ttense'Y'id act
rise e- hoe
must admit, would alter the co we e' •no °
t t DePsot
all circumstances, he considered 3111,. for - ask'vo''''s
concert with France in this anstss",,„- en ' ose
Woo f ogg ,„,
a country placed in a false P°' hood ° othet P.
its proximity to France, and the 'ati the --muuld
from that quarter entertained 11 ots r° -ketee'
peen nations; and, in fact, there , and led „roe
be re„ roe
immediately interested in the tracquilbty Ito v- set I
0 e
that the Speech had not been arose
tie
by oitii
Belgium us France. It was, therefurit licit ti OF
point. ' lie asked what ilid Ministers trig 000000 r
. -, bu Itie , ‘t tr •
security of other States ?" Did it 1110°, foreill° ,ti F
the fortifications in the Netiserlattoe i bli; the „noel
If ao, he would take upon hint t° say S • the ag i
.., bio Or . ~,* ,
a soldier, except, perhaps, the Wise ted (te Y.- toe.
who would not, if sent there, be intro n oasti P ..„-tt
onenieve term) with 'the pubis'', 0111"'".':e0ded le!ii,111
throughout Europe. If Govet antent I,loPuid tell tbril,,, ,
blish tine old forms of opprairitieo• be .4 :.„00111 os
seAs e • ,ere
in the present state of the world, it
we 0
x,,,
he would also declare, that if this were ll', ~,, el ", i
I en., our
eve of a War •whiela would end Goal 0P Y ovele i.p..
which we
reruntent adopt two lines of policY , twny ,
~,,
, , oat lite nol
could not comprehend this principle whlr.b.,l, were ' 's,
opposite in their nature; Ile cone. ~, n :s.le, in 4
the King of tier French, lie inairitedi
p.' siole , ,
1 I a tut!'" , ild r'r
'thy granted by the farmer to toe '
~ ~_lO a
...1
sone time acknowledged the rights of, ve: i.„,,t skromi
'''
e beset,. pee
proved to be little 'worth, and th,t • 1 Lin; ~.s
oue
• r nine
perieiaced in the ease o f the Bourbons °I !,',, is tote
i
grounds upon which our Gose
„testing si,_ei3O
induced to r teOgiliZe Mtn ; allti alter tit I,l4jUltb ",,,,
' MO "
interference on otir pert in the auk.
~,
.i-i--ring t
~,,,
conjunction with Fratice,and again 1 i',','„ 010; cPrw
from 1" 0,,w
ture could alone relieve the people , , ~,, ,of
• dude'"? tisoe ,
tion of taxation and retrenchment id pile
(1114.„ ~,'
which they were labourteg, he con
....,,t, in, iIL
*oe7
the House far having treePasall ''' lutlf-+h w'rY.„,,
Sir J. Irt)IIKE was one- of tistoe„llo t.,,, if ,
toc
shit. he it- Ile ,
was also highly pleased to find se-- , Ime eh's
rA laue4 lon.
to bear of tha Hon. Alentherle retu„ril ti :01tite :I'l
such a Inagiaine of oratott--,-- 1,0 I.
ticularly was he delighted to see tl!ilt ' -