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last. He coefecscd that his 'curiosity was very
considerably raised,: when he heard the,eNobl*',.
Lord say -he-would eXpess his opinion_ of ,the
line of 'cantina 'the Colinnittee-i-opeit to adopt,
nd.lcertain }• never .was culiosityinore eornpletee
-4is'aPpolnted. The first
,Point which the
Noble Lord Said' he' 'would Jirepose for their cone .
sidelation, was that of the Tinenees of the".Codn.
try.' -If-tfteir 'Lordships wished :to obtain.any
.inforination with respect to the Finance,..,that, oh,
je ft' could- be_ easily obtained by Motion ;-.for
such was the order which had bitu i
een
rodtteect into
that 'department,. that the most ,clear. arid satin-
fattory documents could easily be laid before the
-House, consequently it was not necessary to go
into a Committee:lTO the.-State of the. Nation,
in drder to obtain information upon that sub_
jea. , The • Noble 'Lord had noticed a defi-
cienty in two brandhes 'Or the Revenue, the
Excise- and the Customs. `• In. the 'fir,t place,
that deficiency would be More than rnade up
by the general produce of the Revenue, but
it would be proper to consider, whether the
deficiency which had been stated could .not be
easily accounted for from temporary circum-
stances.
.Their Lordshipi must be aware that it
'arose from the defalcation of the duties upon
. Malt, Beer anti Spirits, 'in consequence of the un-
fortunate season whiCh we had- experienced.—
Without troubling 'their-Lordships more at length
upon this part of the subjed, lie would now pro-
ceed to the second point, which the Noble Lord
had said he would recommend -to the considera-
tion of the ComMittee. 'lle had listened with
great attention .to the Noble Lord, .and, if he
did not misunderstand him, :his proposition was,
that: His—MAJESTY: Should be addressed to
hold .out some ,consolatory , feeling to the -Peo-
ple. Their Lordships would probably be in-
clined to ask, in what manner- His M.t.iesTv.
could understand such an Addres, and how it
could be complied with, before the? gave their
assent,to the proposition ? .A.Noble Earl (CAR—,
LISLE) had made some alluSions to the New Ad-
ministration, and had given his a,sent-to thepro-
posed Committee, in order to clear up, what.ap-
peared to him something like a mystery •in
.the change which :had taken place. He was -
not aware of any mystery in. the tratisae-
tion. It could not -be said that His Majesty'l
late Servants had retired, from any apprehension
-of difficulties of the situation of the Country ;
if that had been their motive, they had been
rather latelretheir reSignation ; ifsthat had been
their motive, they would-have-withdrawn them-
selves from their • situation, without making
themselves responsible for a measure which some
of their. Lordships seemed to think the most im-
politic. Something had been insinuated about a,
Trick and a Juggle, and about ostensible Mini-
sters,• with others. behind *die -curtain influencing
their conduct, The NOble Lord wive hail•matie
-that observatiori (CARLISLE) had expressed a
very -high opinion of the lateAderiinistratioy,
and surely -could riot suspea them of adopting
such a line. of condrifte for one, he begged
leave to declare,. in the most, public manner,
that -he was incapable of. advising anv public
measures:for which he•was not personally•respon_
Bible. In his opinion, the Constitution; of the
Country depended inost.esseerially upon there.spcinsibility of the pers:ms filling the great public
offices. Having said -thus much, in vindication
of His Majesty's late-Ministers, he thought him-
self bound in justice to add, that he believed
those who bad succeeded -them in office were
of aeting in the manner which had been
insinuated. They had 'taken office as public men
ought to take it, with a-,view, of rendering service
to their Country, and conseently of loin credit
to themselves. Another observation which .had
been made - was, -that the late -Ministers had
stepped aside in order to make room 'for others
less_ obnoxious- to the Government, of France, and
who therefore might with greater facility con-
elude a-Peace. He did not think that any per-
bon who had observed the condua-of the late Ad-
ministration, would :seriously charge them with
such conduit; and,- in, his opinion, an Admini-
stration waS not- the Tess likely to- maintaio
the interests of this 'Country, because they -had
incurred .the, hatred .of •its inveterate-Enemye

He, had upon a former occasion fully and distinet-
ly stated to their 'Lordships the grounds upon
which he and his- Colleagues-had quitted office.
He had •stated that their resignation proceeded
from their inability to propose. a great public
measure in the manner in which they conceiv-
•

ed it Should, be brought forward. But if he
was. of -opinion • that other subjects ,which had
been.iallueled to would be more 'properly dis.
cu3sed in distinft Motions, he thought so more
particularly with respect to this subjea : it was
one ofyectiliar difficulty and delkack, upon which
no opinion had .been formed till after the most
mature consideration.. Whenever the suhjed.
came to _be discussed .in Parliament, be should
give- every explanation upon it, and state its
. bearings and.ex tent, for it was not an objea that
could have been .attained; by one barren measure.
They did think
.that -a considerable alteration
might have been made in our Laws upon this
subjea; without givinguny-shock to the- Consti-
tution. either in Church or 'Stake ; they thought
thatit.would be prafticable and necessary to sub_
.! stitute other securities, more consistent with the
union and harmony which ought to exist between
every part Hof this-United Empire. Further than
this..he.AKtuld. not at, ptdent enter, into the ques-
! tion. But surely there was nothing mysterious
in persons giving up their situations because they
did not feel themselves enabled to bring forward
those measures which they deemed' necessary for
thepublie advit'ltage. IA Noble Lord (Mo CO,
in, order. to rove;, that •Minigters were not sin.
cere in the Npgotiationslor- Peace at Lisle; had
stated an anecdote; for vizhicli he could assure the
Noble Lord 'and the Houk: there-wis not the

slightesf foundation. TheNohle Lord was also
mistaken, in.snpposiog..ahat. any • wish had been
expresse that Ihe.NegotiatiOns at Lisle- should
Not succeed. ,The -• Nbble - Lord -could not have
i-heard such a declaration :because in point of fact
no, such declaration. had: ever b-cen wade. This

_of wroeflung that had. -been • stated in another
,vas thk.eejktased Fhgt under o#4.iAilen
sr:ate-Or alThirs,, it was rather a fortuuaWgiroxlm-
spin.os,4l.t.ebis:Coutatry,__tlr.et the, aießers wishas
. .forAcee 40441. wg ltd vxpresfieci,:llitdt not been
-mee..,•r!tft e4uaiiatoceeitry cm. the ,part, of the
Enetaw'f:.-.',Wlthoue relying. upon the declarations
Of recorded Traitors in Ireland, he wotsld remind '
their Lordships-of one circumstapce, which was,
that ,ehe..;Negotiations at Lisle wereJarokep -
off,. because there was a. revolution. in the Qo-
vernment in France, and the . new Alders of
that Country did not disguise -their sentiments;
but .at once put on end, .to. the Negotiation. ,
There was another.point upon which he wished-to
trespass upon their Lordships, and that was with
re,speet to 'our treatment of Neutral Nations. His
Lordship then entered, at considerable length, and
with his usual ability, into !the subjed of our-dis.
pine :with the Northere Nations, ;and proved -.in
the clearest manner the justice of theiondua
-which this Country had adopted, and •the neces-
sity of perseliering in :it. He did noti he said,
wish to - use strong expressions to colour a
Speech,_ but fie was firmly of opinion that
if we gave up the principles upon which we now
aced, we might at once pay off our Sailors and
lay:up oar Ships, for the Navy • of this Country
would be. of -no further use, either for • the pur-
poses of offence or defence. His Lordship con-
cluded wltlyeapressing his firm ,cooviaion, that
• whenever the moment for Peace should arrive,
His Majesty's
,present Ministers would avail
themselves of it ; and, in the mean time, the best
way to,obtain an honourable' Peace ,would lie, to
resist such Motions as the one then before the
House, and to call.forth the ReSourees, and.main-
rain the-Spirit of the Country. •
Earl CARNARYON said, that the circurn-
stances of :the changes -in the situation of the
Country, those Powers having notv become our
Enemies who were formerly our Allies, were
such ass to call on him to support the -Motion for
the Committee of Inquiry. -
Lord GRENVIL.LE explained.
• Lord CAMDEN expressed his concurrence in
the sentiments of his-Noble Friend.
The Marquis of L ANSDOI37 NE said, he had.
heard nd .reason assigned why Ministers, after
having brought the Country into the present di-
-femma,had abandoned it. 'The exhaustion of 'thee
Country was such that we had expended our last.
penny, and had nothing left L;tit.ilaper money.,
He knew not 'what remedy was to be proposed
for the groWing evil, unless an increase in all
wades, the consequence of which would be the
ruin of all Anntlitants,. StockLltolders, and other
descriptions' of persons, whose income could not
be proportionally incMised. With respell to. the
Question in discussion with the Northern Na-
.tions, he thought that the condo& pursued -in
t 7 82 thatofavoiding4he question, was the best
proof of wisdom. He had ever considered -the
freedoni ofahe Seas as a matter of power, and as
not capable of being ;reduced -to any positive law.
He-attacked the Expedition, as calculated, if it
succeeded, to weaken the natural Allies of
Great. Britain, Dentnark and Sweden, and - to ;
serve the Cause of France: -By the abandon-
rnent of the question; he contended the. Coun-
- ,try lost nothing 'but the ability to prosecute
a long -war, 'and this could not, after our -ex_
perienee in the. present contest; be deemed any
great misfortune. The Noble Marquis express.
edhis regret, that the system of :ptiblic law was
not settled; and that the principle's 'fa -Which
Lora GILV*II.I.E had applied the epithet disa-
greeable, and of whicithe.was an admirer, were
not accurately defined. In the qneition of blockade,
he thought some such general regulation necessa-
ry, arid he wished to extend it to another point
also, the establishment of Cartels. He hoped,
this Country would anticipate France in these li-
beral ideas. He concluded-by expressing his as-
sent to the Motion of -the Noble
-Earl, and by
urging the necessity of an immediate Peace.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that from
his experience of the prOceed.itigs of Parliatueot
Iclheirdv,
,tatyle only
.not, unacquainted ?With, Motions of, this
to be, to furnish effea of whicha theatre he bad
fo'rtiledailwsplaay;
ofofiin
the
talents of every individual,,, upon any subje&
which might suit his faney, or strike his mind,
but which he' had 'never seen lead to the full mid
calM discussion of any ptirricular subjed, which-
producing declanvtions on general Inquiry, uni.
formly prevent all particular Inquiry. That this
would •be the result Of agreeing 'to the pre-
sent: Motion, *appeared clear from the Speeches
•-of Me Noble *Lords. who' 'support . it. At One
time - speak of Inquiry into the Ferrol
Expedition, at another into thu ctatO of ;he
Finances, and-at- another into the- Code of.. Ne-
utral Law and its exercise; The result would be,
that if a generalltiquiry were voted, no particular
or .efficient Inquiry could be -made ; for this must
always be the effea of
,debating at large, mis-
cellaneous matter is always introduced, and no.
impartial-decision can he come to on any parlieu_
lar subjea._ If-any 'Noble Lord 'wishes inquiry to
be .made into any particular subjea, let him bring
it forward, and let it undergo a Calm:individual
discussion. Such-general debaribg as this Motion
would. produce, would confound the.mind 'of the
most profound politician.. • One subjeit had been
mentioned in the course of Debate, which it
was agreed on• all handS oeght tint to be mingled
With any other., .He meant the State of the
;Church inlreland: a sobjed which, no* that the
'XingdOmSare united, must involve in it the State
of the Church in England: " Another subjea' had
been much dWelt 'upon, the Law of Nations as
regarding 'Neutral Powers, - and 'ldeidrines, had
been held.out by a Noble Marquis'iLANsDOWNrh
Which would go to preticribi a tx.tw law on this sub-
: jeCt to all the NationS ofEurope, but A law which
would more particularly alrea' this Country.—
:He. would pot tioW debate this sUbjed,. a$ it had •
been but vaguely and loosely stated'; but he.
would aekonwledge thar • he was *surprized,
somethings whiCh had been said; upon it, imply.
ing. that there is no, recogniUd Principle of 'this,
;Law. fSe might ye said, that.there,is