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few nights ago were now by a chance majority carried.
;e Common Law in Scotland prevented travelling
ere eels the use of any special enacement which could only
•nd ta weaken the effect of the common law. He v.ished the
iabbattr to be better observed, but he would prefer that it
,liould be done by the religious feeling of the peo,,le.—(Leud
heers.) -He deprecated the daily diseue.siori on the subject
nd trusted that an early opportunity would he taken of setting
q!estion at rest.
Sir ANDREW AGNEW was sorry that the Right Hart.
d.t.o .et Lad not been in his place a little earlier, as he would
h. n have heard the Clerk at the table read the Lit:llllmi pray,
ing for this clause from the General Assembly of the Church ot
Scotland. In that Assembly there were many Scotch lawyers,
who must necessarily be well acquainted with the common-bar
,f that country, yet they petitioned for this special enneement.
tie could assure his Majesty's Mini.ters sn.l the House this
,as a question that was not to be put down by authority,
['here was one universal wish throughout the country el'et
etil.oad travelling on a Sunday should be put a got) eve. He
ail no general Bill before the House that hal refe.erce to
Scotland, but the people•of Scotlaed acre age'e,st Sand ty
reveling. He was sorry that the Right Hoe. B.runet, .Member for Tarn3rth, did not supputt the view he (Sir
Andrew) took of this subject.
Mr. A. TREVOR rose -amidst loud cries of " Oh, oh,"
tad " Divide. divide." He coulee. assure the Hon. Gentlemen
who amused themselves oy ck• ng • Oh, oh," that he
vas determined to to-eceed.—( Bear, hear,, and laughter.)
le thought it wee,uid be better for the Ilon. Baronet to
withdraw Lis pr, sent motion, and move fur leave to b ing
in a Bill for the doing away with travelling on Sunday,
.o that the Poise might cone t.) a ti,,cssion on tile subject.
eilthough he was free to confess that the Hon. Baronet goz.s
'littler on Sabbaili legislation than I am prepared to neco,n-
)any him—( Cries of" oh, oh," and laughter)—at the same
am dispond to give him credit fo.• the consekotinus_.
less of his motives. He respected the Hon. Biroto is rno-
,ives, but he carried the feelings by which he was actuated too
'tr.—(Oh, oh, and a laugh.) Ile regretted he did so, bee.tuse
ty so doing he (Ideated his owncurls.--.(Hear, heat, hear.)
le therefore trusted the Hon. Baronet would witkiratv ti. notion, end give notice of a Bill, because he (Mr. Trevor)
hould be extremely sorry to record his vote in company with
len. Gentlemen oppeeite_.(Great laughter)—eoto he could
tot help saying in manner very little befitting their high sta-
Lion derided most ueju-tly—and, if the word were nue unpar-
iamentary, he would add undecoeously—measures that were
ought forwird with good intentions.—( Hear, hear, and great
aughter.) In conclusion be truqed the Hon. Baronet would
ice the necessity of withdravvn g the clause.
Major CUMMING BRUCE thought the Hon.-Baronet
tad been unfairly treated with regard to this clahse. It had
icon stated that it was the intention to involve a general dig-
nission or, the subject of Sunday legislation by tile introduction
)f the clause: Such was not the case : the only object was to
'lace railroads on the same footing as other eoeveyenees.
He
trusted that the Hon. Baronet would withdraw the clause,
If he divided the House upon the subject, he should feel coin-
- tiled to vote with him, but he thought that h..: would best
,romote the object he had in view if he would. not press the
clause further.
Sir GEO. CLERK joke 1 in the reque...t of the two Hon.
Members who bad preceded him, to the Hon. Member for
Wigton not to press the clause.
Sir A. AGNEW said that Ids 11,n. Friend had offered him
premium if he would not press the clause, viz., that of intro-
tut ing a Bill to prevent tne traveiling upon all railroads on
Su day. That temp'ation was too great for hire to resist.
in withdrawing- the clause he trusted the people of Scotland
would not consider that he had des 'reed their cause. He begged
to give notice that he should on an early day move for leave
to bring in a Bill to prevent travelling upon all the Railroads
in Scotland on a Sunday.
Mr. R. STEUART wished to be distinctly understood
that they on that silo of the House, in requesting
Cie Honourable Baronet to withdraw the clause, had
o3und thentselves to support a Bill to prevent travelling
upon all railroads on a Sunday. The Hon. Baronet opposite
mad stated that it was his wish that the religious feelings of
he perple should be respected. In his (Mr. Steuart's) opinion,
the course the Hon. Baronet had adopted had done more to
injure truly religious. feelings, than the travelling en any rail-
-oad on Sunday.—( Cheers. )
Sir R. PEEL said that in advising the omission of the
-clause, he had not given any promise to support a Bat for the
trevention of travelling on Railroads on the Sabbath.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE QU-Eft felt bound,
sot for the convenience of himself, or his colleagues, but •
tor the accommodation of the House, to request that
Hon. Members who bad motions to-night, would allow them
to be postponed, in order that the discussions on the Church-
ate question might be proceeded with. The first motion was
,hat of the Hon. Member for Dundalk, and he would put it to
him whether it would not be more convenient for him to post-
pone that motion than to proceed with it to the detriment
f the discussion upon the •question of Church-rites.
They would have to propose a vote in a Committee of Supply
t'or the payment of these ministers in the Church of Ireland,
old that would be as good an opportunity for the Hon. Morn_
'ter for Dundalk to bring yu his motion as the present. The
Hon. Member for Worcester had an important motion also
en the paper, bet he hoped he e.ould bow to the sAiee
of the House. The Honourable Member for Bath also-
!ad a very important- question to bring on, but as he
was one of those who was most anxious to go on with
the public business, he apprehended that he would throw no
!obstacle in the way of their proceeding with the adjourned de-
hate. If it met with the general assent of the House, he
;toped those Hon. Membours would allow them to resume the
eljoarned debate.
Mr. J. CRAWFORD'S only object was, to study the con-
venience of the House. . He would not press•his motion, on
the understanding that the government would assist a:rn in
setting a hearing.
Mr. B. HOY would not stand against the feeling of the
House; but he considered his question of sr much importance
that he would move it on the first Order oF the Day on Friday.
The CHANCELLOR ofthe EXCHEQUE-te then moved
the 0 der of the Day forresuming the debate on the Church_
rate R solutions.

Mr. ROEBUCK would take that opportunity of asking a
question of the Hon. Under-Secretary for the Colonies. There
were a number of bills then expiring in Lower Canada,
in consequence of the non-sitting of the Assembly, and among
them were many charters of banks. He wished to know
whither any Royal charter or-charters were to be granted to
.hose banks, or whether any Royal charter was to be granted
to the North American Batik. If the Royal charters were to
he granted then, was there to be a clause in them, allowing
hem to be done away with, if a general law were passed by
the Legislature of the country ?
Sir G. GREY said that applications had been made by
three banks for a renewal of their charter, to enable them to
carry on their business. That charters would be given to
those three banks for a limited period, only to carry them over
the time during which the provincial Legislature would be
able to decide whether the charter should be continued or not.
'ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. FIUME wished to know what was the intention of h's
Majesty's Ministers with regard to the House meeting to-
morrow ? (Hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that as the adjourned de-
bate on Church-Rates would probably last till a lat.' ht.ur, it
would ba better to adjourn till Thursday. ( Hear.)
IRISH POOR LAW BILL.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in answer to a question from.
Mr. Shaw, said that he proposed to go on with the. Com-
alittee on the 111,11,P00r-law Bill on Thursday next.
Mr. AG LIONB Y sail, in consequence of the adjournment
o' the House over to-morrow, a Bill of which he bad had
charge for the last two Sessions would he also thrown
over. As he quite despaired of being able to carry the
measure himself, which was a most important one, being
a Bill -for- the recovery of tenements after notice to quit,
he begged to ask the Noble Lord whether, in the event of
his gibing it up, his Majesty's Government would take up
the question. Last session he had charge of the Bill, and
for slx successive Wednesdays the House had been counted
out.—( Laughter.) The House had now adjourned over to-mor-
row, and he would submit to the Noble Lord whether the sub-
ject should no: he taken up by the law advisers of the Crown.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was unable, in the absence of
the Attorney-General, to answer the Hon, and Learned Mem.
berg question.
Mr. ESTCOURT hoped the Hon. -Member would not
abandon the Bill.
Mr. WAK LEY suggested that the Bill ought to be re-
ferred to a Committee. Its object was to supersed trial by
jury in many cases, and it was therefore a fit subject for the
consideration of a Committee.
Mr. ROEBUCK begged to suggest to the Noble Lord
(J. Russell), as the House had adjourned over to morrow, and
as it was very unlikely that there would be any House bn
Thursday, the Derby day, whether it would not be advisable
to give them two holidays?—( Heir, hear.)
CHURCH•RATES—ADJOURNED DEBATE. -
The Order of the Day for resuming the adjou-rned debate
having been read,

Mr: BROTHERTON, as the representative of a large
constituency, would take the liberty of offering a few obser-
vations to the House. In Manchester there were no less than
SO Churches belonging to the Establishment which were sup-
ported by their own resources, While the whole of the rates went
to the support of only one, of them. The measure, therefore,
proposed by Milditers was not only a relief to the Dissenters,
but to the Members of the Cbbrch filet:cadres. In the same
town there were no less than 100 Disssenting places of Wor-
ship, and the persons attending them amounted to no less
than 100,000. ' It had been said there was not a sufficiency of
C-nurch accommodation in Manchester; be denied that such
was the case, and asserted that there was twice the accommo-
dation that was required.
Mr. FOX rose, and was

LEFT SPEAKING.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT~

HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mfr 22.
Mr. BAINES, said that if it were carri as proposed, not
•ntly would Church-rates be abolishes% but the k;icrgy better
p rid. There was one other point rspOn which he wished to make
t few observations. The Hi-on. Gentleman said that Church
iecommodatioe was warilng for eleven millions of Church-
•nen, and that there was only Church room for a very small
proportion of tills number. Now he ( Mr. Baines) would at.k
whether there were in the country eleven millions of people
.vho were willing- to go to Church? He rssertcd that there'
'vest net. He did not hesitate to declare that there were not
halt that number—that there were not even a quarter of boat
number—who were inclined to go to Church. Now, wchatitupce:
•,,tiotis had they from persons complaining of watt ot
itixstveanst
.t'occw"hlincii(4tlhaeti°HYl:n. IfG Gentleman aanHartwould
hadhave
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