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London, England, 1830-03-06 00:00:00

I wish to God it bad been stilled in its birth. r
watched its motions and its progress in all the di.-
'ets en and lin this country, say it's ruining lee
If
it goes on, it will leave the island i.f Eneland nun
barren uncultivated rock. The only remedy is for
the Government to give it up ; that is, if they Si e
not too tiglitly bound to it. I say they o .glit to
throw
v it overboard to-morrow. For the se!, wine
of the country they are bound to do' so. If tliei
eyes are not open, Sir, lay ee. are open—(Loud
laughter.)—The working districts of the country
are ruined. Nothing but starvation and poverty
must and will end all this. 1 sav Sir, any ma
n
here s
here ought to tell the rale tale, and let the House
know what his constituents say. What will they
BULL, the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, IVIr.
Helm, and Mr. O'CONNELL, the petition was laid say, if the Ministers are allowed to remain in the
on the table, and ordered to be printed. The Hon. dark ? I tell the Hon. Gentleman (the Member
Baronet then presented a petition from three pa-
for Aberdeen), who kept us here till three o'clock
the other morning opposing the vote of 5,000 men,
rishes in Suffolk, praying for a reduction in the du-
that it was a farce altogether.—(Laughter.)—
Virhat
ties on malt and beer.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Alderman WAITHMAN had moved some time is 5,000 men, Sir? Nothing.—(Loud laughter.)—
,
since, for a Return of Exports and Imports, and I have been living among red coats all my life, and
complained that they had not been laid upon the
I can speak about them. I know something of them.
table.
—(Cries of " Qiiestion,• question," were heard
The CHANCELLOR of the"'EXCHEQUER from all parts of the House.)—Yes, yes; question,
could not give any answer except that which he had question. The Hon. Gentleman calls •' Question."
himself received from the officer whose duty it was I'll answer his question in any way he likes. If
to make out this Return ; and this was, that bein they consider I'm not correct, I best know that,
g
and I can explain the reasons of what I say.—
obliged by Act of Parliament to make out certain
When there's distress in the country, I will stand
accounts before the sth of March, he had not yet
been able to furnish the Returns, but would up in my place and tell the House so; but I trust
use all
diligence. this House will not go on dilly-dally till three
Alderman WAITHMAN presented a petition o'clock about such things as reducing. 5,000 mem
from a parish in Stafford, in which there were ex-
Why• that's nothing. What's the result ? What
tensive collieries, against the practice of paying la: relief do we get from that? I'll make one remark.
snorers in goods. I'll state a commuuication from that part of the
Sir ROBERT WILSON presented a petition country lam acquainted with. They desired me—
from Southwark, praying that coals might be sold by (notwithstanding the distresses of the country)—
weight instead of measure. they desired me to stand up in my place and say
Alderman WAITHMAN presented a petition they reprobate and set their faces against what the
from the debtors confined in Stafford gaol, complain-
Hon. Member for Montrose stated the other night.
ing of sundry inconveniences.
They desired me to convey their Sentiments against
Mr. O'CONNELL presented petitions from the declaration of that Hon. Gent., which they
Borris, in Carlow ; and Ennis, in Clare—praying heard through the newspapers. I was not present
for a repeal of the Sub-letting Act. in the House, so I can't judge whether its correctly
or not; Mr. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from reported •
but—
certain shipowners of a town in Yorkshire, com-
The SPEAKER—Order, order I
plaing of distress.
Colonel WILSON—I beg pardon if I'm out of
Colonel WILSON rose to support the prayer of order. Well, then, Sir, they desired the to say that
the petition. For some moments the Hon. Member a more unconstitutional declaration had never been
was not audible in the gallery; but becoming ani- made by any man in any House of Commons—that
mated as he proceeded, he said : Sir, I am sorry 1 is, in any well regulated House of Commons. They
have not the gift of the gab to represent the distress reprobate it. They desired me to say they were
of the country.—(Laughter.)—The Hon. Member disgusted—(Loud cries of Order, order ! arose from
may laugh, but he won't stop my mouth.—(Laugh- all parts of the House, in the midst of which)—
ter.)—E think, Sir, there are many persons here The SPEAKER rose, and silence being imme-
who want a change of hands, and not a change of diately obtained, he said—The Hon. Member is
misure.r.—(Continued laughter.)—Ye may laugh, about to state something which I have no deidit to
but I tell you you have not the interest of the country be out of order. lam sure that he would a ish to
at heart, and the longer you oppose me the longer be anticipated before he accomplishes any thing like
I'll speak.—(Shouts of laughter.)—l should be un- a great breach of the rules of order of this House;
worthy of a seat in the House—l should be un- and I therefore take this opportunity of saying, that
worthy of York, if I let anybody browbeat me. if the communication to which he alludes has any
I seldom trouble the House, but I have a claim to reference to what is supposed to have passed in this
be heard when Ido trouble it, and stand up in my House, it is disorderly in them to make it tha sub-
place to do my duty as a Member, and tell the rale ject of a communication, and it will be disorderly in
tale of my constituents.—(Laughter.) And I can him to communicate the result of it to the House as
tell you, if I had any power over the House I'd have firm an account of their proceedings.
a poll of it every week, and compel every man to tell Colonel WILSON—I am only sorry, Sir, that I
the rale tale of his constituents. But I'm afraid can't. Well, then, I'll communicate it in a different
there's some bad work going on behind the curtain, sort of way. I consider what the Hon. Member
—(Loud laughter.)—I see there's great bickering said was one of the most unconstitutional things
at Ministers every night; but nobody cares for the ever uttered in this House. Sir, he introduced a
torch to his own destruction. If I was one of his
country. I see some Hon. Members who are always
at this work; but the rale question is the distress of gang—(Loud laughter)—l would say to him, you
the country. That's the great thing. Therefore, I are one of those that has brought us to this pitch.
Now show us a good example—give up your, find fault with all the Hon. Members who do not
pro-
stand up every night and tell the rale tale of their perty.--(Loud and continued laughter.)---I don't
mean
constituents. They'll blame the Minister, but they that, Sir; I den't mean that. I mean, mak
themselves avoid the true question, and will not do those sacrifices that will bring os out of our de e
their duty.—(Loud laughter.)—Sir, I blame the suttees. Sir, this ought always to be the way. In
House of Commons, for if they told the rale tale of former times it happened that persons who intro-
their constituents, and gave the Ministers proper in- duced these sort of things were the very persons
formations, the Ministers, if they have the fear of that first lost their heads.—(Loud laughter.)—These
God and the welfare of the country before their people threatened that if they did not get relief from
eyes, would be obliged to give the people relief.—
Ministers, they would send their distress to the fur
(Continued laughter.)—But now the Ministers
are (foot) of the throne. Providence has blessed his
wandering blind-fold for want of information. It ies Royal heart with true noble feeling, and he would
the fault of the House. I would not do my duty if not be dissatisfied with this House for allowing his
people to come to him. Let them tell the rale tale,
I did not state the facts—if I did not seek for in-
formation, and probe that information to the bone, and if they do not do their duty I will be the first
and sift it to the bottom.--(Loud laughter.)—
to attack them on that score. I apologise to the
I hope, Sir, that when this information is
House for having kept them so long, but I consider
given, that Ministers will come down with that it, what I have said I have only been doing my
rp notriety riseor tt o
he s
some wholesome measure which will enable us to duty to my constituents.—(Hear.)
good ascend the hill of health towards the relief of the Nr• S
taise propriety YICtE Sor did speak
kecehi either as
a had
atdo
country.—(Cheera and laughter.)--If any man tells the
Just me that there can be no relief, I would not believeust heard, but merely to recommend the petition to
him.—(Laughter.)—There it nothing beyond the the attention of the House.
power of man with the assistance of his God.—
The petition was laid on the table.
(Loud and continued laughter.)—I can tell the 111 r. STEWART wished to ask the Right Hon.
Hon. Members opposite that they will not stop my Gent, opposite, whether he had received a petition
mouth. I will assist the Ministry, at whose back I from a gentleman named Wentworth, residing at
stand, as long as they act with consistency. When Sidney, containing matter for the impeachment of
Gen. Darling, the Governor, for punishnsents he had
they do not, I'll raise my voice against them. Now
I say it is not their fault—it is the fault of the Mem-
caused to be inflicted upon two soldiers; and if so,
hers who do riot state the rale facts of the case—
whether the Government intended to take arty, and
?
what their constituents tell them, who are come_
Sir GEO. MURRAY had received the petition;
(Loud laughter.)--I say that if Hon. Gentlemen e-
what steps on the matter, and at what time
tent to judge, because 'tis they are suffering.—
but as it involved a question entirely of law, he had
will not stand up in this House and tell the rale tale laid it before the Law Officers of the Crown, and
of their constituents, they are unworthy to be Mem-
had not yet obtained their opinion upon it.
Mr. STEWART wished to know whether, when
hers of this House. If I had the power, they
shouldn't be here; they should all be sent to the that opinion was given, there would be any objection
right about.—(A laugh.)—Any Member who sits to laying it on the table of the House?
here ought to tell the rale tale of his constituents—
Sir G. MURRAY could not give a decided an-
he ought to tell you what is their opinion of the sever to that question at present.
case. How is it possible for his Majesty's Govern-
Mr. LYTTLETON had a question to put to the
ment, I ask—how is it possible for them to know Right Hon. Gent, whom be saw in his place, re-
what is the sense of the constituents, if Members specting some observations supposed by several
don't tell their rate tale ? I am speaking, Sir, the great brewers to have been used by the Right. Hon.
sense of my constituents. There is not the general Gent. in the discussion last night regarding the sale
distress that's spoken of. In his Majesty's Speech of beer. These gentlemen thought that the Chan-
the country's called in a state of general distress. I cellar of the Exchequer had said that the public re-
say it's not in a state of general distress. There's a venue would be more benefitted by the reduction of
class of men enjoying the privileges of the law, and some other tax. He did not ask his Right Hon.
they don't pay a single sixpence to the expenses; Friend what was his opinion on that point, or what
the course he intended to pursue respecting it, but
but they receive their dividends, and they are not
whether he had ever used any such expression ?
in distress, for they are allowed to escape without
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
paying.—(Laughter.)—I say, Sir, I'm right. The
landed interest is the main spring of the land.
was particularly unfortunate; for that, in any state-
'What the devil would become of us without 'em ?
inent he might make, or any explanation he might
(Loud laughter.)—You may have your laugh ifu
give, he was frequently misrepresented by persons
like, but l'm right. I say Sir it don'tg become
whose feelings were interested on one side or the
them to laugh at what .I say. , ,
(Continued laughter.) other of a question, but it was in the recollection of
t don't pretend to be more than a home-spun country the House that he had made use of no such expression.
Mr. HUME said that our trade was sufficiently
gentleman—(A laugh)—but when
.I fill the situa-
b
lion Ido now, I will conscientiously stand up and burdened by charges for lighting and pilotage, but
that, in addition to these, was, on vessels going to
do my duty. I say to these Gentlemen on the op-
posite side of the House, you ought not to have the Mediterranean, one charge which, he thought,
your parties, and get up your motions, and do this might well be dispensed with—he meant a charge
and that and the other. Unless you join with us for what was called Mediterranean passes. lie
in getting rid of the yok (yoke) of Ministers, you'll wished to know what was the amount of money no-
never be of service to your country. I wish you'd ceived for these passes, arid to what purpose it was
applied. He, therefore, moved for returns of the
pause for a moment.—(The symptoms of impatience
in the House here became very manifest.)—You number of the ships applying for these passes in the
may disturb me here, but that won't put me down. year 1828 or 1829, of the amount of money re-
I tell the Gent. opposite he would not disturb me
ceived for them, and of the purposes to which that
so out of doors—l tell him he has not the interest money was applied.
of his country at heart. Mr. CROKER said that a great number of ships
The SPEAKER—Order, order. went to the Mediterranean without these passes.
Mr. HUME having a few nights since made a
Colonel WILSON—I would not fur any thing
be out of order. All I want is to state to the House statement relative to the amount of pay of oaken
the role state of the case—l only want to do justice of different ranks, in the different branches of our
war service in 1792, and their pay at the present
according to fey conscience and the constituents that
time, and that statement having been denied by the
proms of impatience were here again manifested)—l
I represent. I only want justice to the country—(sym-
Gallant General opposite, ha wished to bring the
will be heard, Sir—l will do my duty to my constitu- matter to a correct teat, and for that purpose he
should move for Returns of the Rates of Pay
and
exits; and whenever it appears that I'm unworthy
Allowance of of different ranks in the Army,
to sit here, I'll walk out to-morrow.—(Loud laugh-Officerster.)—l was impeded in what I was going to say—
in 1792 and in 1829; together with their increase
and decrease during the same time. He also moved
(A laugh)-1 appeal to any Member of this House
for similar Returns with regard to the Navy and
if ever I impeded them in this way. The only re-
medy for the distress is to confine the bonding sys- Ordnance.
tem to our own ships—to such bulky articles as Sir H. HARDINGE had no objection to give
timber and wool, and those bulky articles. Let the Returns, and he should make them as correctly
our ships have the benefit of that—let foreign ships as possible; but at the dine time he must repeat,
come and pay the duty, and then, if they choose to that the Hdtlourable Member *as inaccurate in hie
retract and rake away their cargoes, why, then, give statement.
'em some drawback. That's the only remedy, Sir Mr- HUME observed, that every one who had at-
-his Majesty's Ministers ought to do that, That tended to the mode of ;buying the Assessed Taxes
free trade system is ruining us. That's the system must know the extremely vexatious mode of levying
of the Right Hon. Gentlemen on that bench. I that,tax. He wished to ascertain the amount .t,f
wish to God it had been stifled in 'sal h.
. I sq, sure arges, and with that view should move for eel.-

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