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the sea shote, -burY the.ir casks in -the stint, until
1 the moment •for disposing of them should arrive:,
and laYigh at all the efforts made to suppress them:
-With a 'reference to our . proposed -Peace Esta--
blishMenr, and the _current price of Whisky,
prevention was still more itnpraaicable; and the
Scotch: Soh-its would, notwithstanding every effort;
find their way intA the markets of Holland. With
respect to what had been said relatiee to the im-
portant point. of Revenue, -he observed, that -his
Hon. Friend had never rested the question on the
ground of Revenue; nor had it-been chiefly argued
on that ground, in any of the repeated Iscussions %
which this subjeet had undergone. 'I here'
no necessity for urging it ,on that point. Were
the .subsistence of the People in rpiesion, the point'
might be conceded; and a thous-and (other .ways're.
sorted to, to make up the defalcation; in point of
Revenue ; at the same time, he begged tit ohservc,
thatan Honourable Bank DirettOr had consider'ably .
under-rated the amount of Revenuz in questior..
The amount for this Couretryo• -(vas, at least,
Sootoool.to which was to he added, for Scotlant';
260,0001.-. He. then proceeded to notice, rather •
a jocular _Way, what he conceived to be rathr
accountable inconsistencies on the part of wine of
the supporters of the Motion. One seemed to'say.,
that the measure in contetnnlation would operate
grievodly with respea to the Refuse One
point of View-, their arguments went, that if 'the.
Distilleries were opened, the breed or groWth -of
Pigs would be diminished. In another, that if the •
Distilleries were prohibited, there would be Ito
Hogs at tall •••
Mr. JON ES ekplained.
Mr. LLTS,'!INGTON said, the Hone Gentleman
had stated this to be a question between the Wk's
India Merchants and the Barley Growers ; he was
glad, however-, that the former had a powerful ad-
vocate on their side, namely, Hutrianitst. They ha,t-
CoMe for Ward in a moment, of public distress will
the, Article Of Molasses, as an useful; substitute for
the Barley usedin,Distillation, which was then
quired for the -purposes of human subshoence. He
wished'- to tell: the Honourable Gentle
Nicliou.s),that the West-India Interest was de-
pendent upon the -Agricultural-Interest .of this
Count ry,.and he hoped would always remain so. The
West-India Planters had not been acquiring those,
immense forttines which the Hon. Gentleman woul:
have the HooSe believe.. They were subject to enor-
mous ekpences, and to heavy Taxes; and die raft was,'
that their net produce had not riseo in price in pro.
portion to•that of Parley ; the latter had been nearly
doubled within the last ten years, whilst the former
had experienced a very trifling proportional advance..
It had been said by an Han. Gentleman (Mr. N.
VANS TTAR 3). that the. duty upon Sugar was drawn •
back upon exportation,. and that therefore the only
benefit to the Revenue arose fr 'rri home consume-
tion ; but might sot Sugar be made to contribute to
the
.Revenue as well in the distillation of Spirits .
as ,in the distillation of Tea ? The Honourable
Gentleman had Said, Molasses might 'be had for
money, but surely the advantages resulting to
this. Country from her West India Colonies was
to be 'takeri into the account when it was con-
sidered that those Colonies were entirely supplied
by the produce of this kingdom. He thought there.
-was something more _in -this than a mere dry- clues-.
tion Of ReVenue. With respea to the question be-
fore the House, he thought that the House by open-
ing the Distilleries, Would run therisk of renew-
ing those calamities which the Country had before
eizperienced. If the House had again to relieve the
distresses of the Poor,. it would tend still farther to
humiliate that 'class, and break down the spirit of
Englishmen. He wished to avoid a. recurrence. of
this calamity, and therefore he thought the
leries should -nor be' opened., He thought they
should not be opened until after' the next harvest,
when it would be.seen :yheiher a surpitis' remained
in hand; andif;that was the oAse, he should theta
not have the. least objedion to tooseu to the; re.'
opening of the Distilleries. -
Loid GLENl3l4lE,heartily concurred in what
'had fallenfroth an Hon. Gentleman from the same
part of. the 'Couotry, he said, with himself, re-,
speaing the impraeticability of suppressing, the 0-
legal Distilleries in Scotland. Addeno the reasons',
;stated by.hiS.ifon: Friend, would SUggest the pe
'culiar situation of that part of the Country, the:inae_
cessible cliffs,and mountains with which it abounds, e.
and retreats.. where no ,Revenue Officer could pene-
trale. In flia, it would require the constant exer_..
or.a whole
,regiment of men to cheek. rite prar_
rice with, anke degree. of effeCt, His LOrdship,
here entered into; some • counter calculations ,
eLgainsi. those 'urged --by Gentlemen on the other.
side Of the HOuse, and particularly dwelt on what,
had been
.said; that 360,000 quarters of' Wheat
were taken from the consumption of 360,000
whiCh he observed was a fallacious; state-
merit, as it Th,oUld have been\ said, taleen from the
whole mass of the population, to wit, 14. millions
'fromWhieb, 'if the calculations •were Correa, that
Zo
_Ounces per
_day was sufficient. f6r the aver.e;e.
'subsistenCe- of each' individual, the measure in cen.
templation Woad riot in:erred substraCt more than
half an ounce from each. .

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
sgici a few words in explanation of pa-rt of his cal--
culations,:which he conceived had been rather inis-
•understood,
. Mr. LUSHINGTON ex ;net?, teat 'in the,
points alluded 'to he had `stated his .Opini;)n, Coat
Ciey were fairly 'and
.properly argued by the.CHAN.
pc t XO2 Of,the Excx,EQuziz.

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Mr. VANSITTART also .spoke shortly in e)4
'planation of what had been aaid relative to the West-.
'lndia Commerce.; he likewirs',e,noticed the petitir;ns
,whicli.were.a4dressed to the,L,rds.of the Treasury,
`whim.;;s said were clearly .0f:: that. nature whichi
could not,.withoutsreat itrczulatity, be, laid betlnet
Parliament. ,•.
The question being no,y, pretty liwdly called fur,'
-a division took place, when there appeared....' ,
In Etrour of the.otion . •! • 2e,
-i• .82
Majority • - 62
The House then disposed of the remaining tiers
of `the )ay, and at halt past nine o'clock, tidjournea
till to-morrow. .