The Sun.
London, England, 1801-11-24 00:00:00

POOR.

Mr. STURGES brought up a Bill to explain and
amend the Att of the Sth and 9th Will. 111. for the
better relief of the Poor, so far as the same relates
•to relieving Poor Persons not wearing certain badges
directed by the said An, which was read a firbt
time.'

On the question for the second reading,

Sir WILLIAM ELFQRP said, the objedions
he had stated to de
m i
measure 'on a preceding even-
ing
still
itinued n his mind. He thought the
pc-Wer given to justices of the Peace by the present
Bid, to allow,reliet to perons not wearing badges,
was highly improper. It was unfair to throw the
odium Of such an exercise of discretionary power
ripen the Magistrates. He conceived the übjed of
the pre:,ent Bill, would be answer,ed by making a
distinelioi, between two classes of Poor—between
th6se who- were permanently maintained at the ex-
pence of the Public, and those who only received
casual or temporary relief. With resped to the
latter, he had no objedion to any measure that
wpuld relieve them from the necessity of wearing a
badge as a inark of the relief they had received ; but
he conceived the. Public, in maintaining the former,
acquired a right to impose upon them those condi-
tions which they thought proper and necessary. He
must object, however, to throwing any additional
burden upon -the office of a Justice Of, the Peace, the
cxecutiorrof- which, was already extremely trouble-
some and difficult.

Mr. ,‘ZURGES observed, that be had brought
,in the Bill in consequence of the inability of an
Hon. Friend (Mr. NeweoLT) to attend that even-
ing,. who had originally moved for it, and he was
therefore not prepared to meet an opposition, which
he did riot expert in that stage of the ,Bill. He
thought the obieffion of the Hon. Baronet might be
obviated in the Committee. He was convinced,
however, it would be better to leave it to the dis.
cretion of Magistrates than to attempt to lay dOwn
a precise rule in that House, which he thought
would be found extremely difficult, if not impossi.
ble. 'I he intention of the Bill was confir.ed to per_
sons receiving temporary relief, Every body knew
that during a late period, a great number of persons
had been compelled tq apply for, parochial relief,
who, with the utmost indUstry, and most persever-
ing exertion, were unable to support their families.
It surely would not be contended that these per.
sons, because they were compelled, from the pres-
sure of the times and unavoidable circumstances, to
apply for temporary relief, were therefore to be com-
pelled to wear an humiliating and disgraceful badge.
This badge, however, they must wear, if the Ad
of William 111. was to be carried striElly into exe-
cution : the present Bill, therefore, was merely in-
tended TO alleviate that stritness with resped, to
p:.rsonS, who certainly ought not, in justice, to be
disgras.ed by any such mark of humiliation.
Sir W ILL I Am ELIORD explained.
Lord GLENBERVIE shpported the Bill. The
provision, of the AA of ill am 111. relative, to
badges was, f e said, so odious in many parts of the
Kingdom, that it was' not ,carried into efrea 19 any
way kt• ha lever,

Mr. M. A. TAY LOR also spoke in favour of the
Bill. Many poor Men had, he said, come before
him, in the course of the execution of Ihs duties as
a Magistrate within the last two years, who had
'made it appear satisfadorily. to him, that though
they earned ft-hill rss. to zos. per week, they were
uia ne even to. purchase brad for their fitmilies. It
Nv.:s surely not the spirit of the Lawt, that ttiose'men
shoi.d be disgraced for ever, by being compelled to
wear an humiliating badge. The true spirit of the
Law was, that those men who could support their
and would nor, should be compelled to wear
a badge as a inark..of disgrace. The latter case,
however, was now pro4iided for ; any Magistrate,
upon a man being brought before him; who refused
to labdur fOr the support of his family, might coin,
wit that man as a Vagrant. The whole provision of
the Ad, theref.;re,, relative to badges; was now
become unnecessary. There was also another class
of persons upon whom the humiliation of wearing a
badge wi:uld fall peculiarly hard ;`he meant those
who having lived creditably and decently, were
compelled, in their old .age, to seek parochial. re-
lief. Upon; the whole, he said, the Bill should
have his weirdest support, though he thought it did
not go far errough, and that the whole restriction
reld t ive to badges ought to ho abolished.
bit W!;.LIAM I:14okt) again,explained.
.5,114 W LEFEFRE, we, understood, oh_
jctled to th sill, bur we could not hear distindly
what he said.

Mr. C ALCRAFT contended, that the right of
the Poor to be relieved, when in distress, w4s their
inberit,ince, and that therefore apy ,badge of hthni-
liation upon such an occasion was .Tecul'iarly irn-

proper.
Mr. SHAw LEFE V R E explained.
The Bill was Olen ordered, to be read, a second
time on Wednesday.
- SUPPLY.

• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the Order- of the Day for the House to re-
solve itself into a Committee of Supply, and moved
that the account of Monies issued by His MAJESTY
in pursuance of Addresses of that House, and- not
made good by Parliament, and the account present-
ed by Mr. N. V ANSI TT ART on the 19th of No-
vember should be referred to the said Committee.—
Ordered.
_ _

Mr. ALEXANDER having taken the Chair,
-The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the, following Grants to His MAJESTY, for
Sums pad: out of the Civil List on account of the
Public Service, which were severally voted.

To the Commissioners for the purchase of
Buildings for the accommodation of both
HouseS of Parliament, - • - zoo o 0
For the Expences of publishing the average
• prices of Sugar and Ricer in the Gazette.
For the Expenqs of making. A bStracis of the
Population of Great Britain,
For additional Allowances to certain Officers,
for the Expellees of the Thames 'Police Of,
flee, - -
For the Expences of carrying into effect the
Aet of 41st Geo. 111 . for taking an Ac-
count of the Population of Great Britain,
To., George Rose, Es 9. for the Expences of
• the Parliament Office, -
To Lord Walsingham, for his attendance as
Chairman of the Committees in the House
of Lords, -
For .Expenees attending the Inquiry into the
state of Cold Bath-fields Prison, .
To Mr. Wyatt, for certain Expencm relative
to both Houses of Parliament, - - -
For Sums issued by His Majesty, in pun:
suancee of Addresses of the House not made
good by Parliament, - -
CIVIL LIST.

06 It., o

leo 0 0

2750 19 0

1500 0 C

115 14 o

354 11 9

2701 9 0

so ii 6

500 0 0

14,019 14 II

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, as the Committee had just agreed to certain
Resolutions for making good certain Sums issued
out of the Civil List for the Public Service, he
wished to call their attention to the difficulties in
which His Majesty's Civil List was at present in-
volved, and the means of meeting and providing for
those difficulties. It was with great satisladion he
assured the Committee, that upon looking into and
comparing the Estimates for the different Classes
under which the heads of expence were arranged for
fifteen years past, with the sums originally allotted
for those services, there appeared every. indication of
the most stria and rigorous economy. The different
heads were, the Royal Family, Foreign Ministers,
Judges, Great Officers of State, Pensioners, Trades-
men's
Bills, &c. Under the first of these heads,
namely, that, of the Royal Family, there had only
been an exceeding in two years, in. every other year
the expenditure was below the Estimate. He would
not go through all the Classes, but it was sufficient
to mention, that under another head, namely, that
of Pensions, there were only two instances in which
the payment§ had exceeded the allowance. When
it was considered what the increases .expense in all
the modes of living had been, during great part of
the period he alluded to,' it must 'be matter of asto-
nishment ro every liberal, refleaing and just mind,
that the excess-had not been greater. lie was sure
it must be the Wish of that House, that His MA-
) ESTY. and the Royal Family, should not be placed'
in point of splendor and comfort, below what they
were entitled to by the arrangement adopted in the
year 1731. He was sure he spoke the sentiments
of that Great Personage (whose heart was warmed
with benevolence towards every class of his Sub-
jets, and who experienced no pang more acutely
than svheti any additional burden was imposed upon
his People), when he said, that His MAJESTY did
not wish for more, and he only did justice to the
House when he said, they would not give less. He
had reason to believe, that he shottld be authorized
from that quarter, to. make a CommOnication to
Parliament upon this subjed, very early after the
Recess. He should then propose,. that a Committee
should be appointed fully to investigate this matter,
and then the House would know the Expenditure of
the Civil List, and how the difficulties had been
occasioned. The House would then be enabled to
'take the proper measures to relieve the present dif-
ficulties, and to prevent their recurrence in future.
He had thought it right to say thus much, for the
purpose of drawing the attention of the House to
the subjed, particularly to the situation of those
upon whoM these difficulties fell with the severest
pressure. He wished to mention it al*o, for the
purpose of doing away an opinion.. which he hoped
was not very general, but which still existed, that
there had been improvidence in the management of
the Civil List, He did not mean to say, that-in no
• one instance greater economy could not have been
pradised, but that upon the whole, there were the
strongest indication of great vigilance and rigorous
economy. He wished to take this opportunity of
stating, a circumstance which must give the House
great satisfaction, that he hoped means might be
found of getting rid of 'these diftiOilties, without
any_ additional charge upon the Public. •He was sa-
tisfied, that by a prudent arrangement of the Colo-
nial Property belonging to His Mist EsTy, that ob,
jest Might be 'effeEted. He did not state thiS with
absolnte confidence, but as his firm opinion. He
begged that Gentlemen would turn this in their
minds previous to the period when they would re-
ceive a Communication from His MAJESTY upon
the subject. In coming to a decision upon this sub-
jet, he was. sure they would not be wanting in af-
fedion and veneration for His MA J ESTY, and the
warmest attachment for his Family, nor would they
,be deficient in those well-grounded feelings of con-
Stitutional duty, which called upon them to support
the splendor of his illustrious House, as closely
connected with the dignity, the honour, and the
best interests of this Country.
The Hoase then resumed, the Report was ordered
to be received to-morrow, and the Committee to
sit again on Wednesday.
The Committee of Ways and Means was post,
poncd till Wednesday.
DISTILLERY.

Mr.N. F ANSITT ART said, he wished to call the
attention of the }Anse fora moment to a sub,ic4

which was of some importance : he alludt.d to tl:c
Distilleries. It was his intention to propose to the
House ro-mnrrow, the :redklion of•the Duties upon
Spirits distilled from Melasses and Sugar, with, a
view .of bringing those articles more into use for the
purpOses of distillation—a measure which, if car-
ried into execution, would have the effed of de-
creasing the consumption of Wheat in the Mill-
leries, and consequently tend to the benefit of the
Public. He concluded by moving for a CoMmittee
of the whole House to-morrow, to consider of the
Duties payable on Wort or Wash made from- Me_
lasses or Sugar fitr the Distillation of Spirits for
home consumption.—Ordered. ,„_.
Tile Committee on the, Exchequer Bills funding
Bill was posponed till Friday.
Adjourned at Five o'Clock.

THE SUN.

SOL Et, DICIRL FALEUM AUDZAT ?

LONDON, NOVEMBER 24, 180;.

THE Speech of the CHANCELLOR of the-E-x---
CIIEQUEIi. last night, on the .subjea of the Civil
List, will be found .highly important, not only to
those who, from their situation, are'interested in the
discharge of the Arrears, but to the Public at large.
it will be seen that a communication on the subjea
is intended to be made shortly after the recess, and
that by- a, prudent arrangement of the Colonial
Property of Hts MAJ Esiy, it, is hoped the difficul-
ties may be removed without any additional charge
upon ;His MAJESTY'S Subjeas. The adoption of
such a measure will add another claim to those which
the present Administration has to the gratitude of
the Country.

Three Hamburg', Mails still remain due.
Yesterday Mr. NEWLAND went to the Stock-
Exchange, to make known to those interested in
the fundable Exchequer Bills, that the,CHANcut..
LOR of the Exc FQUER had extended ttiexeriod of
their being sent in to be exchanged for Stock, •to
Saturday ne;cr.

The Rtyal George Excise Yacht, Capt. CARmi.
cRAEL, with Their Graces the Duke and Dutehess
,of. MANCHESTER on board from Gordon Castle,
arrived at Leith on Thursday.last.

Eveiy article in Italy, and the whole of the
South of Europe, has fallen considerably in conse-
quence of the Peace.
Had not the praetice of Opposition Papers been
so fully known, theTublic must doubtless have been
greatly surprized at the barefaced assertion in one
of those Prints which states, that Mr. ADDINGTON
had not the shadorw of a prrrcacc for renewing the
suspension of the Habeas Corpus and Martial Law
in Ireland. It can scarcely be owing to forgetful-
ness, or inadvertency, that such an assertion ap.
pears in a Paper which detailed the Report of a
Committee. that, on the strongest grounds imaginable,
recommended the aLloption of the firSt, and in-
serted the Debates in Parliament which powerfully
urged the necessity, of the latter. This proceeding,
it is added, was warmly opposed by Opposition,
su have all the noblest acts of Administration; and
perhaps this is not the least proof of their excel-
lence. But 'who else opposed it ? Were not the
Irish Members in both Houses unanimous in warmly
supporting it, as .the only expedient that Could pre-
serve the domestic tranquillity of the Country ?
And shall Opposition Scribblers, who scarcely know
more of Ireland than they do of Tartary, pretend
to be better informed upon this, subje& than Mi-
nisters, or than the Gentlemen of that Country who
felt the pecessity of the measure ? The man who is
obliged to live in Ireland will, on this occasion,
think with Government, and strenuously applaud
an'expedient absolutely requisite for the proteCtion
of the loyal, and the suppression of the' turbulent.
If Mr. Addington, says this Paper, were to own
he had aaed under a false impression, and that
these restrictions were unnecessary, we should praise
his " If to be foolish constitutes the
'wisdom of Opposition, the paragraph herein no-
ticed may pass without further remark. Suffice it
to say, that Mr. ADDINGION possesses the appro-
bation and unbounded confidence, of every man who
•has the dearest interests of his Country at heart,
and will continue to he supported in every measure
.so wisely concerted for the welfare of his Country.

The Chief Consul of France, who, while he main_
tained his hostility against this Country, was the
objet of panegyric by our Opposition, is now
honoured with their bitterest sarcasms, and most
unqualified reproach.
-

During the recent rejoicings at Woburn on ac-
count of the Preliminaries of Peace being signed,
twenty fat sheep were distributed among the Poor
of the town, eight of which were presented by His
Grace the Duke of BEDFORD, and the remaining
twelve were purchased by a subscription, raised
among the inhabitants.
- - -

Mr, BECKFORD'S State Bed, which cost zsool.
has been bought by Mr. Dimon), fdr 8o guineas,
for the purpose of being converted into a State Box
for THEIR MAJESTIES, at Bath. Would it not
have better suited his Selene Highness the PRINCE
Of ORANGE ?
It is quite surprizing that Mr. l'oßsotv should
be/so confidently persuaded that there could be no
War without people to fig/t, since he had ingenuity
enough to discover that it might be possible to hear
without sounds.

At Croydon the other day, a Gentleman and
Lady .had invited a large party to dinner, when,
just as the meat was setting down, the Cook was
taken up, by the Parish Officers for having dre,ssed a
banding without matrimonial sauce !
Saturday a baker was convifted at the Public-
office, Worship street, of selling bread deficient in
weight, and tined 21. t s. 6d.

NAVAL. NEWS

11.9 RUIC 11, Nov. z 3 .

THERE not being a Post-Office Packet arri‘edi
the Hamburg!' and Bremen Mails of Saturday vier°
this morning fOrwarda from hence in a fast sailing
Vessel; specially hired for -that ptrpo,e. A Me''
"senger with Dispatches, and several Passengers)
embarked with the Mails, and Proceeded to 0
with a tiVour"able wind.

His Mdjesty4s Ship Concueror, of 74. guns, wa
launched from hence this day. The tempestotv
weather yesterday and the day before Fel-elite.'
the launch from taking place.
*Six o'Clock Evening.—No Packet arrived.
Several vessels are come into Harbour, having
sustained damage-by the gale of yesterday.

PORTSMOUTH, )Nov. z 3.

ARRIVED last evening from Quebee, the sill?
Quebec, BAYLEY ; also off Lymington, the shiPl
Alliance and Euretta, from Quebec : these ship')
with others, left Quebec under convoy of His
jesty's Ship Reristance„ and parted company in'
gale of wind on the tgth-inst.

- ,
Arrived from London, the solhia, AsiiiNGTO4
for Demerara ; Neptune, SER I EANT, for Malts°
rat ; and Aurora, ME YR I CIC, for the South Seas.