The Sun.
London, England, 1839-04-25 00:00:00

it proper that soma expression of opinion should be
given, although he was not ready to vote for Mr. Lo-
vett's motion. Mr. Ryder had placed himself in the most
ridiculous and humiliating position, and if be had not
been vacillating he had insulted the Convention in such ,
a manner as to render him totally unfit to sit in the Con-
vention.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. HETHERINGTON said he should support the
motion of Mr. Lovett. He dissented from the view
taken by Mr. O'Connor, that the Convention would be
damaged by the retirement of Mr. Ryder. On the con-
trary, he (Mr. H.) thought the Convention would be
benefited, that it would be strengthened in its purpose,
and not interrupted in ita proceedings by the retirement
of Mr. Ryder. Mr. Ryder had become the tool of a
party----(Hear, hear)—and if the Members of the Con-
vention wen to pusillanimous in spirit as not to stand,
up against at.,:' individual and show that the collective
power of the Convention was too strong for a factious
man, the sooner they dissolved the batter. Mr. Ryder
yesterday stated that he had written to his constituents
that he had resigned, .ind yet he came to-day and took
his seat, and stated that there were not more than eight
honest men in the Convention. If Mr. Ryder believed
that statement to be true be ()tight to have felt it a dis-
grace to sit in it, instead of being anxious to do so.
Mr. CARDO supported the amcndment of Mr. O'Con-
nor, and differed entirely from the view taken by Mr.
Hetherington. He had not seen anything factious in
Mr. Ryder's conduct—be had not seen anything fac-
tious in the Convention—and those who took the trouble
to show that faction did exist in the Convention wire
enemies to the cause in which they were engaged. It
had been previously decided that the Convention had
nothing to do with the resignation of Delegates, and that
tl.e matter was entirely between him and his constituents,
and this ought to be the course taken in the present
instance.

and conduct of men as honest as Mr. Ryder—men
who, if they day of trial camc,, would be as likely to
maintain their ground as those who were everlastingly
vaunting of their courage and desiring to be brought
into conflict with the armed powers, or men who in
public meetings could put upon their heads the red cap
of liberty and tuck up their sleeves to show they were
ready for slaughter—(Hear, hear)—and denouncing
those men who did not approve of this language as
cowards and traitors.—(Hear, hear.) These proceed-
ings were calculated to do great injury to the cause, and
as an instance he might mention the circumstance
that some of the leading men of Birmingham had asked
him whether the Convention sanctioned this exhibition
of bloody-mindedness. Ile thought the conduct of Mr.
Ryder highly censurable, as well as those with whom he
acted.

Mr. MooRE objectel to the Convention setting up a
precedent
that it had a right to receive the resignation
of any Member. That right had never yet been assumed.
Mr. NEESOM would give his vote in favour of Mr
O'Connor's amendment.

Mr. HARNEY felt no doubt that Mr. Ryder was still
a member of the Convention, for he had resigned upon
a misunderstanding. _

Mr. O'Corncoa-believed that the resignation of Mr.
Ryder was tendered by him after the Chairman had
left the Chair, and therefore it could be considered no
resignation at all.—(Cheers.)
Mr. HETHERINGTON-No. Mr. Ryder resigned
when his name was cillcd over as one of the Agitating
Committee. _

Mr. HARNEY asked if there was a faction in the
Convention, why the parties forming it had not been
brought before them, and proved to be so ?—(Cheers.)
For his part he considered the charge of an existing
faction in the Convention perfectly ridiculous. For the
course he had adopted, both in that place and elsewhere,
attacks had been made against him in the Charter news-
per ; for those attacks he did not care, because they were
totally without foundation. The great objection to
Mr. Ryder was that he was the tool of a party or fac-
tion. He did not believe this, and considered Mr.
Ryder the List man to become the tool of any party.
He thought the time of the Convention ought not to be
wasted in these personal matters, but felt called upon
to make a remark or two, as he had been personally
attacked. He had been accused of the heinous crime
of putting on the red cap of liberty in Smithfield.
Was he the only one who had done so ? Did
not Henry Hetherington put on the cap of
liberty once, and was he looked upon as the
worse man for that ?—(Hear,. hear, hear.) H,•
was liked all the better for it, and he hoped to see all
the members of the Convention coming down with red
caps of liberty.—(Laughter.) It was the emblem under
which mankind had won the most glorious victories over

Mr. BURNS thought, after a member had resigned; he
had no right to resume his seat except again scut by
his constituents.

Mr. RICHARDS thought they were now going wide of
the mark. Mr. Ryder said he bad acted in error, on
the supposition that Mr. Williams had been rejected,
on which supposition he had rejected himself. How
stood the fact ? Had not the Chairman objected to
sign Mr. WilliAms's return, and was he not again to
appeal to his constituents? If Mr. Ryder was consist-
ent, as Mr. Williams was not a member Mr, Ryder
ought not to consider himself so, and should go again to
his constituents. He should support the original
motion,

Mr. CARPENTER said the affirming either of the re-
solution or the amendment would leave the discussion
where it stood. Mr. Ryder was not a member of the
Convention.

Mr. SANKEY—We cannot receive a resignation.

Mr. CARPENTER wished to ask whether the affirm-
ing or negativing a resolution would make Mr. Ryder
a member of the Convention, he having resigned his
seat yesterday.
The CHAIRMAN slid his opinion was, that Mr.
Ryder having stated to the Convention that lie re-
rigned his seat, did not disqualify him from sitting, but
if he had written a letter to his constituents and
resigned his seat, he could not sit here as a
Delegate. The motion and the amendment on Mr.
Ryder, was not so much the actual resignation of Mr.
Ryder, as his conduct.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WHITTLE considered that his writing to his
constituents, to say he would resign, would not be a
resignation, unless it was accepted by his constituents.
Mr. CLEAVE regretted exceedingly the course adopted
by Mr. Ryder, because, upon his own showing, he had
been a great deal too hasty. What was done yesterday
in relation to, Mr. Williams ? It amounted simply to
this, that a proper inquiry should take place, as to
whether he had been duly elected or not. The delay
which had taken place, was for the purpose of carrying
out the laws of the Convention, which directed that
inquiry should be made as to the validity of the election.
He had great personal respect for Mr. Ryder, but he
considered that his conduct had placed both himself and
the Convention in a humiliating position. Last night
lie treated the Convention with contempt, and now
added insult to that contempt, by pointing out the
Members as unprincipled persons ; and if this imputa-
tion was allowed to go forth, without remark, they
might be pointed at in the streets as unprincipled
scoundrels.—(Hear, hear.) The persons with whom
Mr. Ryder had associated, had come within these walls,
and in the bearing of the officers, had denounced them
as d---;(1 humbugs, and Mr. Ryder now made himself
their mouth-piece.—( Hear, hear.) By all the principles
of the National Petition and the Charter, he was pre-
pared to stand or fall. His course was an onward one.
But he now saw a deliberate attempt to put back this
this movement—( Hear, hear)—or to derange every thing
connected with it that was good and holy. There was
but one course for the Convention to pursue, unless
they were willing to walk about the streets and be
pointed at as unprincipled scoundrels, and he should
therefore vote for the motion of Mr. Lovett.—(Cheers.)

tyranny, and the most glorious triumphs for democracy.
Let the Delegates look at the meetings at which they
had been elected, and it would be found that in a ma-
jority of cases the red cap had been exhibited ; and
he thought it looked as well on a man's head as on the
head of a pike. The people were fit for such exhibi
tions. Why did the moral advisers of the people keep
away from such meetings? Why did they let the
incendiaries have their full swing, and not attend to
oppose them ? They allowed such persons to appear
at public meetings, and afterwards condemned them—
not at public meetings but in the Convention. This
was not a place to discuss the Smithfield meeting. He
was willing to discuss his conduct on that occasion, if he
could only have the same body of men as a jury, and
he did not doubt the result. He repudiated the ca-
lumnies that were levelled indirectly against himself,
and one or two other persons, of a desire to bring
about a premature collision with the authorities, and to
involve the country in blood and misery. The people
were virtuous and honest, and he was himself virtuous
and honest, and if a charge was brought before the
people, he would abide the result. He supported the
amendment of Mr. O'Connor, believing Mr. Ryder as
honest a man as any on the Convention, and that he
had not committed such an insult as to warrant the
carrying of the original motion.
Mr. MILLS said if Mr. Ryder were the man which
his friends represented him to be, he would at once
come forward and state why he had no confidence in
the Convention. If he did that, a new light might be
thrown on the subject. Their character and the
character of the people of Yorkshire demanded this ex-
planation.
Mr. LOVETT replied. He would leave all the talk
of daggers, and all the swagger of persons who deco-
rated themselves with the cap of liberty, where it
ought to be left. The introduction of such subjects
was unworthy of the Convention.—(Hear, hear.)
The conduct of Mr. Ryder was such as that it could
not he overlooked. What did he do in resigning yes-
terday ? He insulted the Convention, and then to-day
he seeks to reinstate himself in the Convention, and
while doing so, reiterates the same insult.--(Hear,
hear.) On yesterday he said they were unworthy of
confidence, and by way of compliment to himself this
morning for resuming his seat, he says they were al
dishonest.—(Hear, hear, and No.) This was a species
of conduct which was not only insulting to them, but
an insult to the country at large.—(Hear, hear.) It
they had any respect for their constituents they should
mark their disapproval of this conduct by voting for
the resolution. Let it be manfully met. If they should
in this instance allow themselves to he insulted thus
with impunity, they would in future be at the mercy of
of persons pursuing the same conduct which was prac-
tised in this instance. The resolution did not do more
than express an opinion on the conduct comp!ained of.
—( Hear, hear.)
The resolution was carried in the affirmative by a
majority of ten.
Mr. HETtiIatINGTON, on account of that resolution
being carded, would propose a resolution which went
to say that they should not consider Mr. Ryder in fu-
ture a Member of the Convention unless re-elected.
Unless they adopted some such conduct it would be impos-
sible to carry on the proceedings of the Convention.—
( Hear, hear.)
Mr. LovurT said it would not he in the power of the
Convention to receive the 'notion unless notice had
been given.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. O'CONNOR would support Mr. Hetherington.
It was competent for the Convention to go into the
motion at once, as it arose from business before the Con-
vention.—( Hear.) Besides, it would give the members
who voted before an opportunity to confirm their former

Mr. BUSSEY said that so far as the conduct of
of his colleague went, he could not justify it ; for he
thought Mr. Ryder had acted with great want of dis-
cretion. Mr. Ryder having written to his constituents,
it rested with them to receive his resignation or not ;
and until their determination was known, Mr. Ryder
would still continue to be a member of the Conven
twit.

The question under consideration ought to be

strictly adhered to, and he trusted that all personalities
would be avoided, as it tended to beget bad feeling.
Considering Mr. Ryder to be still a member of the Con-
vention, he thought the matter ought now to be allowed
to drop. He wished to add that Mr. Ryder had just
informed him that he had not tendered his resignation
to his constituents.

Mr. FitosT said, the qnestion was whether Mr.
Ryder did or did not deserve censure—(Hear, hear)—
and he thought very few men could come to any other
determination than that he did deserve it.—(Hear,
hear.) Was he to resign one moment, and then come
the next and insult the Convention ? He should not
vote for the resolution, but trusted the matter would
be brought before the Convention in some other way.
Mr. RYDER said he could not conscientiously re-
tract a single word of what he had stated. He had
said that he believed there were not more than eight
honest men in the Convention—men of prine:ple. That
was his opinion. If other members of the Convention
thought they were all honest tren, he had no objection
to their entertaining that opinion. His (Mr. Ryder's)
was not a solitary opinion, for only a fortnight ego a
resolution appeared in the Northern Star, stating that
the meeting at which it was passed bad no confidence
in the Convention, except in Mr. O'Connor and Mr.
Hartley, and two or three others.
Mr. O'CONNOR said he was not accountable for any
resolution in the Northern Star emanating from a pub-
lic meeting.—( Hear, hear.)

votes. •
Mr. HETHERINGTON would persevere in his resolution.
Mr. DUNG 4N—As Mr. Ryder has been found worthy
of censure, he thought he would find himself very un-
comfortable in his seat. He would second Mr. Hether-
ington's resolution.

Mr. O'CONNOR differed from Mr. Duncan, no

Mr. Cowss regretted that so much time had been
wasted in this discussion. If Mr. Ryder was sincere
in his censure, he must be very unwise to attempt to
resume his seat amongst such individuals as he had
described. He felt deeply interested in the success of
the great cause, and no prsonal consideration should
induce him to ielax his exertions until the Charter
became the law of the land. He concluded by moving
the previous question.
Mr. BURNS seconded the amendment.

THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY, APRIL 25, 1839.

Rogers' motion, which went to move the previous
question. Let them deal with Mr. Ryder as they did
with other Delegates placod in similar circumstances on
a former occasion. What does Mr. O'Connor mean by
saying, that by pursuing a certain course some of the
members were doing their best to bring it to a money
Convention ?

Mr. 0, CONNOR, in explanation, only meant that their
duty was to vote money for the purpose of carrying on
the agitation, and that they bad no authority further
than this.
Mr. CARPENTER resumed—He would not insinuate

charges, he made them boldly. He had it from persons
whom he did not doubt, " that some of the members
had tucked up their sleeves, and said they were ready
for anything that might occur."—(Hear.) He had these
facts from persons who afterwards refused to come for-
ward to prove them, from fear of the ill consequences that
might ensue to them if they did.—(Hear.) We do enter
tain these different and opposing feelings, and no matter
when this should be brought to light, he thought that
they', should come into collision at once, and get rid of
one party or the other.—(Hear.) They would soon
get rid of the extremes of both parties—the timid
would soon depart from them, and so would the really
red hot.—( Hear.) He was glad that Mr. O'Connor
had not yet resigned, as he expected from a speech of
his made on Monday that he would do so.—(" Hear,"
from Mr. O'Connor.) He was confident that shortly
the men of extreme opinions on both sides would with-
draw.—( Hear, and loud cheers.) That time was fast
approaching, and it would be seen which opinion was
the most prevalent in the Convention. He supported
the resolution.
Mr. WHITTLE would not support Mr. O'Connor's
resolution. He would move the previous question.
Mr. O'CONNOR would withdraw his amendment, and
give his support to Mr. Whittle.
Mr. PITKEITHLEY knew Mr. Ryder for a long time.
He was sorry for the resignation of that person, as he
had been for many years an ardent friend of liberty.—
(Hear.) He thought Mr. Carpenter ought to name
which of the persons of the Convention be implicated,
in saying that the extremes of both parties had deter-
mined to resign.—(Hear, hear.) He would . support
the previous question.
Mr. NEESOM and Mr. MILLS concurred in denying
the authority of the Convention to expel Mr. Ryder.
Mr. HETHERINGTON withdrew his resolution.
'The motion was withdrawn.
GLASGOW COTTON SPINNERS.

Mr. CLEAVE brought on a motion to the effect that
the Convention take up the cause of the Glasgow Cot-
ton Spinners now lying at Woolwich under sen-
tence of transportation. It was extraordinary the
apathy that was observed by London, and the coup.
try at large, on this subject. He thought it was
betraying a great want of sympathy by the public
for injurious treatment that those poor martyrs should

be suffered to exist so long under their present distressed
circumstances, without some means being adopted to
obtain their freedom. He was sorry to be obliged to
withdraw his motion, as he was sure the Convention
would lend their assistance in ameliorating their condi-
tion, but he did so on the advice of the Committee now
sitting on their behalf.—Motion withdrawn.
RULES TO BE OBSERVED BY THE CHAIRMAN.

Mr. HETHERINGTON brought on a resolution to the
effect " that it be a special instruction to the future
Chairman of the Convention, that he interpose his au-
thority to suppress any attempt on the part of members
to indulge in personal altercation ; and when any mem-
ber, when called to order, fails to submit to the Chair-
man, the meeting shall immediately adjourn." Mr.
Hetherington moved the resolution in a few words.
He said he brought it forward in consequence of the
turn the proceedings had taken yesterday.
Mr. O'CoNNolt said that allusions had been made to
a statement, which had appeared in that day's Sun, of
the irregular proceedings which had yesterday taken
place. He was glad that that statement had appeared,
as it would tend in some degree to bring the Conven-
tion to a sense of what was due to its own dignity, re-
gularity, and decorum.—(Hear, and cheers.)
Mr. Cleate, Mr. Bussey, and others, spoke to this re-
solution.
The Chairman then put the question, on which the
resolution passed unanimously.
The meeting then dissoled.

WIGAN ELECTION COMMITTEE

The Committee met yesterday at the usual hour.
The greater part of the day was occupied in discussing
an application made by Mr. Thesiger, reconsider a de-
cision come to by the Committee yesterday, with respect
to one of the sitting Member's votes. The Committee re.
fused to reconsider its decision.
Two votes were disposed of to-day, lea% ing the sitting
Member still in a majority of one.

SHIPPING IN TELLIGENCE.
(LLOYD'S.)

GREENOCK, APRIL 20.—The Parsec, M'Kellar, was on
shore on the coast of South Australia, and expected to be-
come a total wreck. The Parsee sailed from Hobart
Town on the 2d of November for South Australia.

AUERIPEEN, Aram 22.—The Good Intent, Vennal, from
Shields to Lubec, put in here to-day, having been struck
by a sea, on the 19th inst., in lat. 58. N., long. 3. E.,
which carried away long-boat, cook-house, &c., shifted her
cargo, and threw the vessel on her beam-ends.

BAHIA, FEB. 21. —The Sophia, Linguard, from hence
to Trieste, in going out of the harbour on the 19th inst.
took the ground, but was assisted off on the flood without
damage, and proceeded yesterday.

VESSEL 3 SPOKEN WITII.—The Sybilla, Mauritius to
Landon, off the Western hlands, by the Iris, arrived at
Portsmouth ; Speedy Packet, Halifax to Barbadoes, 25
ult., lat. 32., long. 53 ; Bridgetown, of Waterford,
14th inst., lat. 49 , long. 23., by the Mandigo, arrived in
the Downs; Eliza and Nancy, St. Übes to London, 13th
inst., long. 12., by the George Canning, arrived at Bristol ;
Hobe, Cape of Good Hope to Newcastle, Feb. 5, by the
London, Tait, arrived at Cork.

ENORMITIES OF THE SCAFFOLD.-EXECU-
TION OF EDWARD GANNON FOR THE MURDER OF WOR-
RELL-Immense crowds of people from different parts of
the county assembled on Monday, in Maryborough, in order
to see the extreme sentence of the law carried into execu-
tion on this unfortunate man. About one o'clock p.m.,
he was brought out upon the scaffold, attended by the
Rev. Mr. Dunn, C. C. ; he seemed to be very much
worn and wasted since his trial, and appeared very
penitent. He begged of the assembled thousanis to
pray for him, and said he deserved the punishment he
gas about to receive, as he was guilty, " and that
wet e it not for liquor he and his victim might
be both alive and happy." The miserable man
was soon after pushed off; but owing to the
rope having been let down too lone. before he fell, and the
consequent jerk that followed, it broke, and the wretched
culprit was precipitated on his head to the ground, a fall
of about 15 feet; he was taken up insensible and bleeding
profusely through the cap that covered his face ; he was
again brought up and a stronger rope procured, when he
was again pushed off, but owing to some mismanagement
his leg caught in the trap, and he was suspended in a hori-
zontal position for some minutes. The knot having slipped
under his chin, the execu ioner came out once more and
succee,led in adjusting it under his ear ; he push d him
down, amid the murmured disapprobation of the specta-
tors, who then, and not till then, felt compassion and pity
for the horrible sufferings of their fellow-mortal. He was
observed to, move for some minutes after, and faintly endea
vour to strike his breast. In about half an hour his body
was cut down and buried within the precincts of the gaol.
—Nencyle Guardian.