The Sun.
London, England, 1839-08-15 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON,II-IUItSDAN!, AUGUST 15, 1839.

THE CHARTISTS.

MANCHESTER, TUESDAY EVENING.

The Chartists of this town, or at least that portion of
those disposed to commence the National Holiday yes-
terday, assembled with bands of music, and before s:x
o'clock in the morning, in two separate parties, began to
enter different mills and factories for the purpose of
stopping the engines and turning out the hands. The
Hulme division succeeded in turning out the hands at the
dye works of Messrs. Owen and Hartley, in Medleek-
street ; those at Mr. Paul Chappe's, Gaythorn Mill ; and
afterwards proceeded to the mills of Messrs. Massey and
Son, Gaythorn ; and Mr. Marsden, in Trumpet-street.
At this latter place a number of the borough police were
scaling the walls of the mill. Mr. Berwick, the head
constable, leaped off his horse, and seized two who were
knocking at, the door, and were swearing they would
break it open. One of these men escaped,
but being pursued was again seized by Mr.
Beswick. The other, a man named Barker, drew from
his side pocket a dagger, and stabbed a policeman,
named James Smith, so severely that it was necessary
to convey him to the station house. Barker was about
to stab policeman l‘PMullin, when another policeman
seized his hand, and the dagger having been taken from
him, he was was conveyed to the lock-up. Both these
men, as well as several others who were captured, were
brought up at the Borough Ceurt House, and Barber
was remanded till Wednesday.
The other division, which was also preceded by a
band of music, proceeded to several mills in Ancoats,
where they induced the hands to leave their employ-
ment. At the mill of Mr. Barton, in Union-
street, Ardwick, an overlooker first opposed their
entrance, but one of them presented a pistol at him, and
he was obliged to allow them to turn the hands out. In
going from this mill a party of about 60 of the borough
police met them. The procession was then about a
thousand in number, and was headed by a man named
John Holmes, who carried a flag, inscribed on one side
" The earth is the right of every man ;" and on the
other, " He that will not work neither shall he cat."
The flag was surmounted with a red cap of liberty. In-
spector Lipsett seized the man, and this day Holmes
was committed for trial to the assizes at Liverpool. At
a later period of the morning the Chartists proceeded to
other mills, and assaulted the police wherever they found
them. A strong body of police, aided by a troop of the
Carbineers, proceeded to clear the streets, and before
one o'clock upwards of twenty prisoners were taken in
that part of the town—principally persons charged
with assaulting the police, and rescuing other prisoners.
During the evening all remained quiet, till about
eight o'clock information reached the north station-
house that a very numerous assemblage was then col-
lected near the Water-works Company's reservoir, in the
township of Beswick. By the direction of the Magis-
trates (two of whom were in constant attendance at this
station) a strong body of police and a troop of cavalry
proceeded to the spot, and found a mob of between four
and five thousand persons, who, at first, hooted, groaned,
and threw stones at the police ; but, on the latter ap-
proaching them, they ran in all directions. The re-
mainder of the night the town and neighbourhood were
perfectly tranquil.
This morning at an early hour an attempt was made
to enter the mill of Mr. Peoley, in New Islington, and
stop the engine, but the police came to the spot and the
Chartists ran away.

This morning John Quin, one of the speakers at the
Chartist meeting, in Hulme Bank Top, was appre-
hended under a warrant of the Borough Court, when
several witnesses deposed to seditious language uttered
by him, and he was committed for trial at the Liverpool
Assizes. Many more prisoners were brought before the
Magistrates on charges connected with the riotous pro-
ceedings of Monday, several of whom were fined, and
others held to bail to keep the peace or to appear at
the sessions.

It is reported here that some disturbances took place
at Bolton at an early hour this morning, and the Riot
Act was read and the troops called out. It was r.lso
stated that Leigh and the neighbourhood was in a very
turbulent state. At Ashton, yesterday, the town was
in such a state that the authorities thought it right to
call out the military and special constables to preserve
the peace.

HORSE " CHAUNTING."—A few weeks ago a
gentleman of the name of Stevens, residing in Old Bond-
street, seeing an advertisement in the daily journals for
the sale of a horse, the owner of which, whose name
was described to be Buckmaster, was stated to live in
Windsor-place, City-road, Mr. Stevens proceeded thi-
ther, when having seen the horse, with which he acknow-
ledged himself to be perfectly satisfied, the bargain was
struck, and 201. was given for it, the agreement being as
follows :—" Warranted sound, and quiet to drive and ride ;
and if not approved of within seven days, to be returned
without injury." Mr. Stevens took the horse away and rode
it, but not feeling quite certain that he had a true account
of its properties, he went to Mr. Field, the veterinary sur-
geon, who at once told him that the horse had the glanders,
and that it was not worth 20s. Mr. Stevens, not wishing
that any other horse he had should be effected, put the
poor animal into the stable from which be had it. In two
days after, however, three men called, one of whom :;aid
that he came for the horse, observing " That they we :-e
not going to he lagged for an animal like that," and they
took it away. Subsequently Mr. Stevens applied for a
summons against Buckmaster at Worship-street police-
office, but when he informed the worthy Magistrate that
the horse was stolen he was told that a summons was of no
use. About a week ago Mr. Stevens saw Buckni,:stir in
Long-acre, and traced him to a house in Bedfordbury, a
house of call for regular horse-chaunters. He obtained
the assistance of a policeman and searched the house, when
he found that Buckmaster had escaped by the roof. On
Tuesday two men who were apprehended about a
week ago on the charge of bring of the party who were
present when the horse was stolen, and who were re-
manded on bail from Monday last, were brought up for
re-examination at Worship-street, but were discharged,
the evidence against them not being sustained.
Saturday morning, about half-past eight o'clock,
a sudden gust of wind blew the roof off the mason's shed
at the new Custom-house, and though a great number of
people were under and about the shed, we are glad to he
able to say that no person was hurt.—Glasgow Chronicle.
BURGLARY.—EarIy on Sunday morning the
house of C. A. Gordon, Esq., No. 7, Stepney-
green, Mile-end-road, was entered by thieves. Mr.
Gordon and his family had retired to rest about half past
twelve o'clock, and at about three the former rose to look
at his watch which he had left on his dressing-table, and
found it had disappeared. It was subsequently discovered
that the house had been entered, and the following pro-
perty stolen from 11Ir. Gordon's bed-room :—A small gold
watch of considerable value, maker, Moulin air e, a
Geneve, a small gold chain attached, with swivel key and
seal ina stag's head in a coronet;
also a
silver teaspoon marked " G," a
silk one,
guarder es t o n
chain,th e latter,a
L square gold brooch with hair in it. A valuable dress coat
made by Stulz was also stolen, but afterwards found in a
ditch at the back of Mr. Gordon's premises, It is sup-
! posed the thieves must have been disturbed.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

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MANCHESTER. -----TDESDAY EVENIN6.
Ti-iE IiOLYOAKE STAKES.-10 to i agst Epirus (taken) ;
after Ratsbane offered to be backed against him; 10 to 5 agst
Confusiouee (offered freely).
DYE Sr. LEGER.—A change will, we fancy, be observable
in the Wolverhampton betting, which was brisk at the Stacd
yesterday. Bloomsbury will be " up;" he was backed for 50;
and offers to "go on" against Charles at noon. The following
prices will, no doubt, vary when " the doings" at Wolverhamp-
ton are more pro bono publico :-
7 to 2 agst Bloomsbury (taken) 4to I agst Charles (taken),
10 to 1 agst Euclid (taken yesterday), 100 to 6 agst Hainan
Doffered—I ,600 to 100 was taken on Saturday), 100 to 4 agst The
iver (offered to-day), 100 to 4 agst Provost (offered), 200 to
9 agst The Lord Alayor (taken), 200 to 8 agst Hyllus, 200 to
3 agst Tag-rag (taken).
Lasingwold was backed freely at Wolverhampton at 20.
Amongst the elite were Lord G. Bentinck, Lord Miltown, Co..
lonel Anson, Capt. Hunter, Capt. Taylor, and a host of sport-
ing characters. The weather very tine.

CHELMSFORD RACES—TUESDAY.
Her Majesty's Plate of 100 guineas. Two mile heats.
Mr. Pettit's St. Francis, 4 vrs .
General Grosvenor's Dredalus, 4 yrs
Mr. Palmer's b. h. Carbine, 5 yr 5........ ..............
The Steward's Plate of 50/. Heats once round
Count Demidoff's Disagreeable, 3 yrs (Cotton) 1 2 1
Mr. T. Hussey's Red Rose, 3 yrs
Mr. Munro's Bravo, 6 yrs 3 3 dr
Mr. W. 13. Smith's Baronet, 4 yrs
Sweepstakes of 5 sot's each, with the County Members' Purse
of 50 added, the second to save his stake. Heats the New
Mile.
General Grosvenor's b. h. Merrythought, 5 yrs (Boyce) 1 1
Mr. Faulkner's c. f. Slender, 4 yrs.. 8 2
Mr. W. B. Smith names Bucella, 4 yrs ... 5 3
Sir J. Tyrrell's b. f. Myrtle, 6 yrs ... 3 4
Mr. Bishop's ch. rn. The Thurton Lass, 5 yrs
Lord Tavistock's Gimcrack, 4 yrs
Mr. King's Condor, 3 yrs
Mr. Scott's ch. f. by Langar, 3 yrs 7 dr
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WOLVERHAMPTON RACES---TUESDAY.
The Wolverhampton St. Leger Stakes of 25 soya. each, with
• 50 added ; mile and three quarters.
Duke of Cleveland's br. c. Kremlin....... ..(Lye)
Mr. Fowler's br. c. Profligate 2
Mr. E. Peel's br. c. The Dean
The Chillington Stakes of 25 soya. each ; three quarters of a mile.
Duke of Cleveland's br. c. by Ernilius out of Maria...(Lye) 1
Mr. Fowler's br. e. Mogul
Colonel Anson's c. Nicholas 3
• •

Three others started.
The Cleveland Cup of 100 sovs., with N added; the second
saved his stake • three miles.
Duke of Cleveland's br. c. Kremlin,: 3 yrs (Lye) 1
Mr. Ferguson's eh. h. Harkawav, 5 yrs .... 2
The Borough Members' Plato of 60/. The winner to ba sold

for 2501., &c. ; heats twice round and a dis.
Mr. G. Dawson's ch. f. Primefit, 4 yrs ( Lye) 0 1 1
Mr. Copeland's b. c. Chantilly, 3 yrs
Four others started.
Sweepstakes of 5 sons. each, and 25 added ; heats, once round.
Mr. \Vhielden's b. c. Crllksman, 3 yrs ( Whitehluse) 0 1 1
Mr. Collett's d. m. Duenna, aged 1 0 2
Sir J. Boswell's br. f. by Physician d. Meretrix, 3 yrs 0 0 3
Three others started.

LEE AND ELTHAAI RACES.—WEDNISDAY.
The Eltham Stakes, With 30 added from the fund. The win-
ner to be sold for 1201., &c. Heats twice round and a dis-
tance. (Five subscribers.)
Mr. Drew's c. h. Kensington, 4 yrs, Bst. 7ib.
Mr. Finch's b. h. Brockhampton, 4 yrs. Bst. 71b
Mr. Preston's b. m. Drogheda, 3 yrs, 7st. 9113. 3 3
Mr. Bacon's b. m. 111 aid of Kent, 4 yrs. ist. 131 b. 4 4
Mr. Becher's br. f. Pelisse, by Hussar, 3 yrs. 6it. 111 b. 5 5
Won very easy. The winner was claimed.
The Licensed Victuallers' Plate of 501. for all ages. Heats,
as above. The winner to be sold for 150/., &c.
Mr. Alay's b. f. Bertha, aged, 9st. 41b
Mr. Lambert's b. c. Stag, aged, 9st. 41b 3 2
Mr. Brick's ch. m. Latona, aged, 9st. 41b.
Mr. Turner's gr. g. Jim Crow, 5 yrs., Bst. 131 b.
Mr. Lang's ch. f. by The Colonel, out of Zaire, 3 yrs
7st. 31b.
Mr. Balchin's b. f. Munchausen, 4 yrs, Bst. 31b.
Mr. Wicklam's b. h. Primus, 4 yrs, Bst. 61b... ......... •• 0 dr
Mr. Smith's ch. h. Saintfoin, 4 yrs, Bst. 4lb
First heat won easy—the second won by half a neck.
The Ladies' Plate, by subscriptions of five soya. each, with 20/.
added from the Fund for horses that never won 501. at one
time. Heats, as above. The winner to be sold for 100
sons., &c.
Mr. Smith's Caligula, 4 yrs. ...... (WT. Coleman) 1 1
Mr. 13echer's Pelisse, 3 yrs, 6st. 131 b 2 2
Mr. J. D. Astley's ch. g. Thought, aged, 9st 3 3
Mr. F. H. Thompson's ch. g. Forrester, 3 yrs, 6st. 131 b 4 dr
A good race, but won easy at the finish.

STIRLING RACES (CONCLUDED) —FRIDAY.
The Burgh Stakes of 5 sovs. each, with 25 added ; heats once
round and a distance.
Mr. Ramsay's ch. in. Sunbeam walked over.
The Glasgow Cup of 100 sovs., added to a Sweepstakes of 5
sovs. each, p p. ; mile and a half heats.
Mr. Wauchope's ch. c. Zuleiman, 4 yrs ..................... 1 1
Mr Robertson's b. h. Edgar, 5 yrs... ................... 2 2
Mr, J. 0. Fairlie's hr. g Pyramid ............... 3 3
The Sanchie Stakes of 3 sovs. each, 1 ft , with 30 added ;

mile and a half heats.
Mr. Robertson's b. h. Berwickshire, 6 y'rs ......... 3 1 1
Mr. Wilson's b. f. Constance, 4 yrs .................... 1 2 2
Mr. Rintoul's h. g. Dan, b yr,
. dr
' The Hunters' Stakes of 5 soys• each, and 20 added, once
roued, were won in two heats by Mr. J. Laing's Birthday beat-
ing Captain and two others.

THE DEATH OF LAD" HESTER STANHOPE.
—ln reference to this event, which we lately announced,
we find the following in a Malta paper of the 20th ultimo :
—" By private intelligence from Beyrout, we are autho-
rised to announce the death of Lady Esther Stanhope, at
one of her villas in the vicinity of Sidon. The English
Consul from B2yrout, accompanied by the Rev. W. Thomp-
son, an American missionary, performed over her body the
last offices of Christian burial. This lady, so celebrated
in Europe for her eccentric habits and anti national preju-
dices, was nevertheless a lady of a very strong, we may
fiaidodn,
oufntdhaou
world,ntedm butind ,wwoub
lidchacfetaoruetd itsn octogl
tea
ttonwsnaondr deri-
pur-
poses despite the most formidable opposition. She ac-
quired through Syria and Arabia the magnificent titles of
the Queen of the Desert,' The Modern Zenobia,' and
was looked upon as the future deliverer of Asia, and espe-
cially of the Holy Land. The fame of her piety and her
almsgiving was diffused from Mount Lebanon, with its set-
tled dwellers, to the farthest nomade wandering tribes of
the sands of Arabia."

ALLEGED ROBBERY AT THE 'VAUXHALL
MASQUERALIE.—Edward Hambleton, a fireman, belonging
to the Watling-street fi-e station, was charged at Union
Hall on Tuesday morning, with stealing a silver
mounted pistol, the property of Mr. Thomas Wilson, at
the Vauxhall masquerade on Monday night. A policeman
stated that the peisoncr was given into custody by the
complainant who however, had not come forward
to substantiate the charge. Mr. Jeremy, the magistrate,
asked the prisoner what was the nature of the transaction,
The accused said the facts were shortly these:—Hu went
to the masquerade in the character of a sailor, and in the
course of the evening he observed Mr. Wilson, who was
was in the character of a Spanierd, flourishing a pistol about
and every now and then, presenting it at different persons.
That on seeing the
" Spaniard" present it at a female,
he (the prisoner), as a sailor; and therefore the protector
of the sex, snatched the weapon immediately out of the
own.. r's hand, and that was all he did. Mr. Braidwood,
the superintendant of the Fire Brigade, gave the prisoner
en unexceptionable character, and said that he had no
doubt the case was exactly as he had described it. ft.!
was then discharged from custody.
Last week Mr. Gordon, a Russian merchant and
his niece, from St. Petet sburgh, went off to the Long-
stone Lighthouse, and presented Miss Darling with a
splendid silver salver. This gentleman was accompanied
by Mr. Sinclair of Berwick, whom he has commissioned
to paint for him a picture of the melancholy wreck of the
Forfarshire steamer, and which is to be taken to St. Peters-
burgh.—Berwick Warder.
Monday, a poor fruit-woman applied to the
Hatton-garden magistrates for the restoration of her basket
of fruit, which had been seized by a policeman on Sunday
last. She said that her sick husband and a large family
were dependent upon the profits of her fruit for support.
Mr. Hall ordered the property to be restored, when the
policeman said he had taken it to the green-yard, and it
would cost one shilling to redeem it. The poor woman,
who appeared to be greatly distressed, said that she had
not a farthing in the world. Mr. Hall censured the po-
liceman, saying that he had overstepped his duty in taking
the property to the green-yard, and cautioned him in future
to keep such articles at the atation-house. The magis-
trate then advanced the money from the poor-box of the
office, and the woman's little stock was restored to her.
Mr. Hammond, the new lessee of the Theatre
Royal, Drury-lane, has made Mr. Henry Betty, son of the
young Roscias, who is now performing at Richmond, the
very liberal offer of thirty guineas per night for forty
nights.
GLASGOW COLLEGE.—We understand the
the
eld la a t
emeeting
appointments
of
the
very Rev. Principal Meelarlan, and the other Tory Pro-
fessors in
resolvedto
Glasgow f r
eCollege,strate
Crown in favour of Dr. Buchanan and Dr. Cowan, by
appointing certain favourites of their own to the places of
these gentlemen. We have heard the name of Mr. Allan
Burns, iun., mentioned as one of them. Do the Tory
Professors really want to imitate the example of the re-
bellious Presbytery of Auchterarder ? Do they really
intend to set the prerogative of the Crown at defiance ?
If so, and if they cannot contradict this statement, which
we challenge them to do, we imagine that the Lord Ad-
vocate will immediately deal with them as they deserve.
Perhaps he will make a very short process of it by sus-
pending the whole emoluments of the Tory professors in
the Exchequer, which would bring some of them, we be-
lieve, to a proper understanding right speedily,—Scotch
Reformers' Gazelle.
FATAL ACCIDEYT FROM BATHING.—AS
Oaff, the watchman of the Thames police-office, was rak-
ing the shore on Sunday morning, the rake came in con-
tact with the body of a boy about ten years of age. The
boy turned out to be the son of Mr. Ayres, a milkman, in
the Back-road, St. George's-ira the East. On Monday
afternoon an inquest was held on the body before Mr.
Baker, the Coroner, and a Jury, at the Town of Ramsgate,
Wapping-old-stairs, when it appeared from the evidence
of a lad named Solomons, that the deceased was bathing
on Saturday night off the Wapping entrance to the Len-
don Docks, when the eddy of the tide carried him out of
his depth, and he was drowned. A verdict of " Accidental
death" was returned.
An old dame went by the railway from Dundee
to Montrose the other day. She had never travelled in this
way before, and after the carriage had stopped at Montrose,
she would not be persuaded to come out of it, asserting
thatcem eshe u
out till
sh paide hadtheMontrose, and she should not
her that she was at Montrose.
gotf ar
tthoe
re
The
"Faithg u guard dt
that canna
aneansas assured
says the dame, " for I have just had to put my cloak ricbt
about me, and my baskets thegither, so drive awa, for I
gied you the ticket that I got for the siller." 4. Well,
I mistress, look out and you will see where you are," said
' the • uard. Dame, incredulously peeping out, exclaimed,
Losh preserve us, an' we are at Montrose, for there's
J_ shop. Wha hens what the warl's to come
I g
to noo."—Seotch Paper. -

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSI OF COMMONS, AUGUST 14.

The House resumed at Five o'Clock.
Mr. SHAW was anxious, before the regular business
of the House proceeded, to read to the House a state-
ment he had received from the agent of the Earl of
Courtown, Mr. Oram, relative to the statement that
had been made with respect to that Noble Earl ejecting
his tenantry. The Right Hon. Gentleman proceeded
to read the statement in which Mr. Oram denied the
imputation that had been cast upon the Noble Earl,
stating, that if any person was to blame it was himself,
and submitting to be judged of the conduct he had pur-
sued, by the tenantry of the Noble Earl themselves.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented petitions from Water-
ford, and the Trades Political Union of Dublin, depre-
cating any renewal of the Charter of the Bank of Ireland.
Sir T. FREEMANTLE presented a petition from
the suburbs of Edinburgh, in favour of Church Exten-
sion in Scotland. Also one against the Poor-law Conti-
nuance Bill.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pre-
sented petitions from the beer-sellers of Suffolk, of the
Isle of Thanet, and of Yeovil, praying that their inte-
rests might be protected.
Lord ELIOT moved for a return of all the amounts
of money expended for the relief of the poor in the
several counties of England and Wales from the 25th
March, 1838, to the 21st March, 1839.—Ordered.
CHARTIST CONVICTS.

Mr. WAKLEVs;iS-1;e held in his hand a petition
in favour of mercy for the three men now under sen-
tence of death at Warwick, but he would fail entirely
in his purpose were he to present it in the
absence of the Noble Secretary for State. He
trusted the courtesy G f the House would be extended
to him, and that he would be allowed to present it when
the Noble Lord was in his place.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
regretted that his Noble Friend would not be in his
place that evening. The Hon. Member would, there-
fore, be obliged to present the petition on a future day.
Mr. NV ARLEY did not mean to found any motion
on the petition, but he trusted there would be such an
expression of opinion en the part of the House, that
would have a very beneficial effect upon the Noble Lord's
mind. He would therefore postpone it till to-morrow.
Mr. O'CONNELL said the only objection to it was
that it was an interference on the part of that House
with the prerogative of the Crown. The repugnance
to capital punishments,where there had been no violence,
was becoming so great, and he hoped it would become
universal, that execution could not be done on these
men.

Mr. WAKLEY said that with regard to what had
been said relative to the interference of that House
with the prerogative of the Crown, he believed it had
been admitted over and over again that the House had
a right to address the Crown on this subject.
The SPEAKER suggested to the Hon. Member
if he wished to have the subject discussed, that he
had better give notice that he would bring the peti-
tion under the consideration of the House, otherwise
he might be precluded by the rules of the House
from raising any discussion on presenting the petition.
Mr. WAKLEY would be glad to have that question
settled at once. He believed by the new regulations
any petition presented relating to a pressing grievance
might be discussed and fully debated when presented.
This petition referred to the execution of three men, and
if that was not a pressing grievance he did not know
what would be deemed to be so.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the Hon. Gentleman appeared to wish to present the
petition, and to call the attention of the House to it. He
did not mean at all to dispute the expediency of such
a course, but the Honourable Member wished to
present the petition in the presence of the Noble Lord
the Secretary for the Home Department ; that Noble
Lord, as he had stated, would not be in the House
this evening, and, therefore, he would suggest to the
Hon. Member that, if upon consideration, he should
think it expedient to raise a discussion on it, lie bad
only to present the petition now, move that it be
printed, and give notice that he should move it be
taken into consideration to-morrow.—(Hear, hear.)
The Hon. Member would then be able to bring it for-
ward, without any violation of the rules of the House.
Mr. WAKLEY would state his views on the subject
when the petition was presented. He had no desire to
make an appeal to the House, or to give a notice of mo-
tion ; but his object was to present the petition in the
presence of the Noble Lord, and then to hear if any
Member of the House coincided with the views of the
petitioners. He would rather not submit a motion to
the House, because he felt it was inexpedient, unless
in cases of necessity, to make that House a Court of
Appeal from other Courts of Law. He would, there-
fore, postpone the petition and the subject altogether
until the Noble Lord was in his place to-morrow.
Mr. P. THOMPSON thought that as the Hon.
Member was compelled to put the petition off till to-
morrow he had better give notice in the regular way of
his intention to present it.
Mr. WAKLEY said he wished to avoid bringing

the subject before the House in the shape of a motion.
He bad no complaint to make against any party, but
merely wished to make an appeal to the Noble Lord.
Mr. P. THOMSON said, if the petition was to be
discussed to-morrow, it bad better he printed, in order
that tite'House :right be aware of its contents.

Mr. C. BULLER said the objection to that plan
was, that the Hon. Member Member must found a
motion upon it, which he wished to avoid.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
suggested that the Noble Lord should be furnished with
a copy of the petition, in order that he might know the
nature of it when it came before the House.—(Hear.)
Mr. WAKLEY said he would send a copy of the
petition to the Noble Lord.
BANK OF IRELAND.
On the motion of the House resolving itself into a
Committee on the Bank of Ireland Bill,
Mr. O'CONNELL rose for the purpose of moving
that the House should resolve itself into a Committee
on the Bill that day three months.
The SPEAKER suggested that the proper course
would be to make that motion on the question, that
he do leave the Chair.

—Mr. O'CONNELL said he should have another
amendment to move on that motion.

Sir T. FREEMANTLE believed it was contrary
to the rules of the House to move an amendment on
the question of going into Committee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEItsaid
the Hon. Member could move his second amendment
on the motion for reading the Orders of the Day.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that would answer his pur-
pose, as his only object was delay.—(Cries of " All the
other Orders are disposed of," which caused considerable
laughter.) The Hon. and Learned Member said hisobject
might be attained by moving the adjournment. He
thought lie might appeal to the Chancellor of the
Exchequer himself, whether the House was now in the
situation it ought to be in order to discuss so important
a question to the trade and commerce of Ireland. The
House was now thin, and before going into Committee,
the dinner hour would have arrived, and he would
appeal to Honourable Members whether it would not
then require all the influence that Ministers could
exert to keep 40 Members in the House. Nearly
600 of the Members had left town, and he would
submit, therefore, that it w unjust to the people of
Ireland ,to force the Bill forward. No reason had
been. stated why the Bill had not been brought for-
ward sooner, the Report on which it was founded
had been published twelve months and full five
before the commencement of the present Session, and
with all this information the first intimation of proceeding
with the Bill was extorted from the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, by the Hon. Member for Drogheda, on the
14th of July last. The impression had gone abroad in
Ireland that it wasnot intended to keep up the monopoly,
and is was not until the time he had adverted to that
the least intimation had been given of the intention
to continue it. Was it not important that the people
of Ireland should have an opportunity of giving their
opinions on this subject? Certainly it was ; and yet
here they were moving to go into Committee on the
Bill when it was only ordered to be printed on the 2d
of the present month, and was not circulated till the
4th. There was a practical delusion in the Bill itself.
It contained a clause, by which it was enacted that the
Bill was to be altered or even repealed by any Bill to
be introduced in the present Session.—(A laugh.) He
would show the House that there was a strong delusion

practised upon the people of Ireland. The marginal
note to the 15th section stated that Joint Stock
Banks in Dublin were to transact all the
business of bankers, except that of issuing
notes payable on demand. Now the clause itself
prohibited them from doing more than merely paying
notes issued by them elsewhere. It was well-known
that mercantile men and others, not lawyers, seldom
looked into the text of Acts of Parliament—they
contented themselves with looking at the marginal
notes, and were so deceived upon a most important
point. He had the authority of one of the most faith-
worthy of men, Mr. Staunton, of the Dublin Register,
and there was not a more trustworthy man in that
House—he had his authority for stating that the Bank
of Ireland had only a few days ago refused to discount
the paper of one of the most eminent merchants of
Dublin, merely because he had interested himself
in tho present matter.—(Hear, hear, hear.) When
the object of the Bill was to limit the power
of accommodation to the Bank of Ireland alone, its
power of checking public discussion was thus practically
shown. But when he looked at the 10 counties, and
the 14 or 15 rising towns which were to be affected by
the Bill, what did he see? In Westmeath county a
meeting was called by the High Sheriff, it would be
held the day before yesterday, and the result could not
be known till to-morrow. A requisition had been sent
to the High Sheriffs of Meath and Dublin county.
Meetings had been called, but they, in the middle of
the dog-days, were pressing on the Bill when
it was perfectly impossible that the sentiments of the
people of Ireland could be known upon the subject.
He did not know what to think upon the subject--
some of his constituents had actually written to him to

say that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been
bribed.—(Hear.) When he made answer that that was
impossible—that he would not be bribed, or that it would
be most difficult to offerit—the replication was, " How then
has this madness come upon him? Why should he treat the
people of Ireland with such contempt? Why impose such
a monopoly upon them without stating one single reason
for doing so ?" There was no reason for it, as he could
undertake to raise 1,000,000/. to-morrow to be paid far
such privileges as they were conferring upon the Bank
of Ireland for nothing.—( Hear, hear.) If time had
been given he could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman
that many of the people of England would join with the
Irish people against the Bill. Was it fair or honest to
bring in such a Bill in such a House—a House com-
posed, to the extent of two-thirds, of Members obliged
to vote with the Ministry ? Why should Ireland be so
treated by a Ministry which was incapable of carrying
measures for the benefit of the country ?—(Hear, hear.)
He knew that there was no difficulty in carrying
measures hostile to the interests of that unfortunate
country—anything adverse to her would meet with a
favourable hearing in another place. Nay, he knew that
the opposition he bad felt it his duty to give the present
Bill would of itself insure its pass'ng the other House of
Parliament. Last year a Bill was avowedly supported
by the other house because he had opposed it. There-
fore he swished to press on Hon. Gentlemen, if they
(lid nothing for Ireland, not at this period of the Ses-
sion to do any thing against her. He would there-
fore move as an amendment that the Poddle River
(Dublin) Bill be read a second time.
Mr. SHAW wished to make one single observa-
tion. The Hon. and Learned Member had stated that
a respectable merchant's bill had been refused, merely
because that merchant had taken part against this Bill.
Now he (Mr. S.) was authorised to state that no such thing
had ever occurred. Some bad bill might have been
offered and rejected, but not a single Bill that was in
itself a proper bill, had ever been refused. Besides,
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had not even given
a name or a date.

Mr. O'CONNELL said the Hon. and Learned
Recorder had never given a denial in which he
oat more mistaken than in that which be had just
made. He (Mr. O'Connell) himself knew it had been
done in bygone times, and if he were to mention names
he knew he would be confirmed by the Hon.and Learned
Gentleman himself. Mr. Staunton had asserted in his
newspaper, which had never been contradicted, that
a mercantile man of the first respectability had
had his bill, which was a perfect security, refused
on the ground which he (Mr. O'Connell) had stated.
Mr. SHAW was authorised to state that no such
occurrence had ever taken place.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
resisted the amendment. It was upwards of a month
now, since this Bill had been introduced ; it had
been made known to all the parties concerned, and yet
seare,ly a peaion had been presented against it. If,
therefore, this had been a question on which par! its
interested were disposed to make an appeal to the
House, petitions would have been presented, stating
objections to it. Why should the principle of this Bill
be objected to, which was merely putting the Bank of
Ireland for four years on the same footing as the Bank
of England, and after that time subjecting it to any mo-
dification that Parliament might in its nisdom think fit ?
So far from any one complaining of having been taken
by surprise, there was not a person connecte with trade
who was not cognizant of the Bill and all its provisions.
He trusted the House would allow the Bill to go into
Committee in order that its provisions might be dis-
cussed. It was neceesary to make some provision for
the amount of the debt.--(Hear, hear.) That could
not be resisted. The Hon. Member might object to
the enactment of the Bill ; but unless he proposed
to leave the 909,000/. Exchequer Bills wholly unpro-
vided for, and the debt of the Bank of Ireland, subject
to interest of 4/. 7s. 6d., in pace of 3l per cent. He
had no right to refuse to go into Committee on the Bill.

Mr. HUME said if the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would state that only to be his intention, all oppo-
sition would be withdrawn.—(Hear.) He never
knew a proceeding of so much importance brought for-
ward in the manner this had been.—(Hear, hear.)
There was no precedent in the history of parliamentary
proceedings for the course which the Right Hon, Gen-
tleman had taken. He was asked by the Hon. Mem•
ber for Dublin why he did not bring it forward sooner,
and could give no reason whatever. Within ten days
of the meeting of Parliament, he (Mr. Hume) put a
question to the Right Hon. Gentleman, respecting Joint
Stock Banks, and he had repeated the question until it
became a laughing matter whenever the subject was
mentioned. On two occasions the Right Hon. Gentle-
man answered, " within 14 days."—( Heir, hear.) That
bciig the case, he trusted that the House would not
consent to discuss so important a matter at this late pe-
riod of the S: scion. He asked on what ground the
Right Hon. Gentleman could not give sufficient time
for considering the matter ?—( Hear.) Did he not
know that several counties were meeting to-day, and
that others would meet to-morrow on the subject ?
Although the Right Hon. Gentleman had said that he
would do something, the Bill had been postponed from

time to time until it teas the general belief that nothing
would be done, and he really believed that the Right
Hon. Gentleman at last entertained that opinion him-
self.—( Laughter.) Hit had been his intention to bring !
in the Bill, how could he have hesitated and vacillated
in the manner be had clone? He would appeal to the
Chancellor of the Exchequer to grant more time. \Vas
he afraid the subject would not bear inquiry ?—(Hcar,
hear.) If it was a measure which would tend to the
interest of Ireland, advocates would not be wanting to
support it : but it was a bad measure, and contained
that which was injurious to Ireland, and therefore the
Right Hon. Gentleman was anxious to press it forward.
The present no doubt, was a good bargain for the Bank
of Ireland ; but it was a most injurious one to the peo-
ple of that country, who, he considered to have been
most unjustly treated by this measure. The people of
England, too, were left in the dark as to what they ought
to know by it. Why, he would ask, should not an in-
quiry take place as to whether it would or not be proper
to adopt the same system of banking in Ireland as at
present existed in Scotland ? All this might be taken
into consideration if the lion. Member would only post-
pone the measure to the next Session, and that would
give the people of Ireland an opportunity of fairly and
freely expressing their opinions. He thought the pre-
sent discussion ought to have taken place upon the pre-
vious stage of the Bill, and he could assure the House
that he would never have been persuaded, as his Hon.
Friend the Member for Dublin had been, to allow the
Chancellor of The Exchequer to advance the Bill a
stage without opposition.—(Hear.) On these grounds
he concurred entirely with the amendment of the Hon.
Member for Dublin ; and he now asked the Chancellor
of the Exchequer again, why the Bill had not been in-
troduced at an earlier period of the Session ? He en-
treated the Right Hon. Gentleman to withdraW the
Bill for the Session, and not compel them to occupy the
time of the House by further opposition. If the Bill
was postponed to the next Session all parties would be
satisfied. Upwards of fifteen trivial measures had al-
ready been postponed, and he could not see why the
same course should not be adopted with respect to a
measure of such vast importance as the present.
Mr. GISI3ORNE thought the present moment
most inexpedient for bringing the measure forward, but
in stating that he did not preclude himself from sup-
porting the measure, when its merits were brought before
the House.

Sir W. SOMERVILLE would oppose the Bill
upon principle. He had been taken by surprise, as
well as his constituents, by this Bill being now brought
forward. He certainly understood from the Chancellor
of the Exchequer that it was not intended on the part
of the Government to renew the monopoly of the Bank
of Ireland. The Right Hon. Gentleman was well
aware that such was the impression both of his consti•
tuents and himself, and yet nothing had been done by
him to disabuse their minds of that impression. He
thought it was unfair and unjust to the people of Ire-
land to permit this Bill to pass, and he should therefore
support the motion of his Hon. and Learned Friend
the Member for Dublin.

Mr. REDINGTON said that not only in the south-
ern, but the western parts of Ireland, it was not believed
until lately that the present Bill would have been
brought forward by the Right Hon. Gentleman, who, a
few years since, had expressed himself so decidedly ad-
verse to this monopoly. It was his (Mr. R.'s) intention
to use every means in his power to oppose the further
progress of this Bill.
Mr. D. BROWNE would oppose the further pro-

ceeding with the Bill, considering it most unjust, at so
late a period of the Session, to force, he might say
smuggle, through that House a measure of such vast
importance. The united voice of the people of Ireland
was against that Bill, and the Right Hon. Right Gen-
tleman stood alone in its support. He believed the
measure to be nothing better than a job.
Mr.T. ATTWOOD said the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer was now in debt to the Bank of Ireland up-
wards of two millions and a half, and therefore he
could not be considered as a free agent.—(Laughter.)
He was, in fact, dealing with his creditors, and he was
therefore bound to make as good a bargain for them
as he could. The Right Hon. Gentleman owed alto-
gether to the Bank of Ireland, the public, and the
Bank of England about thirty millions ; and if he could
only pay that off, then be would be a free agent, and
capable of making any bargain he pleased.—( Hear, and
a laugh.) He would oppose the present measure by
every means in his power.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared--
For the motio.7. 55

Mr. O'Connell's amendment
Majority against the amendment
On our re-admission, we found
Mr. O'CONNELL on his legs, moving that the
Bill be re-committed that day three months.
He still felt it his duty to take every means in his power
to delay the Bill, because five times bad he taunted the
Chancellor of the Exchequer with the delay in bringing
in the Bill ; but five times had he thought proper to
slur it over and say not one word upon the subject,
because common sense would not bear him out. There
was no analogy between the Bank of Ireland and the

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EDITI()N.

Bank of England—in fact, former was an incubus
upon the latter, for although he, in accordance with
Solicitors-Gene
opinions of the Attorneys-General and
ral for England and Ireland, thought the notes-.of the Bank
of England a legal tender in Ireland, the Bill bg..r°re the
House declared those opinions wrong, and made them no
l gal tender. But supposing they were upon all funk",
had the Bank of England power to issue one single
one-pound note? The measure was totally indefensible,
as was seen by the desertion of the Treasury benches
by all that were not obliged to be there. Why did
the Chancellor of the Exchequer confine himself to
Dublin—would he dare to make the same experiment
in Edinburgh ? In Scotland Joint-stock banking and
prosperity had been concomitant at least—he had a
good right then to say that the one was dependent on
the other. What was the case in Ireland ? A country ,
with a climate infinitely superior to Scotland for agri-
cultural purposes, was in poverty and distress, being with-
out the benefits of Joint-stock Banking—Scotland, en-
jo) ing that system, was in almost unexampled prosperity.
Had he not a right to say the one was d !inn lent upon
the other? The Chancellor of the Exchequer came out
upon him by saying the public had been defrauded to a
great extent by over issuing. He did not deny it ; but
he said the monopoly of the Bank of Ireland was the
cause of it, as their charter limited the partners of a
bank to six only—so that in place of the public having
the security of 200 bankers, they often only had that of
two. When all those difficulties occurred, the Bank of
Ireland was in possession of all its privileges and mono-
polies. They stood the storm—but how ? Why, by
giving fresh and newer promises to pay for those sent in
fur payment. It was a well known fact in history that
there was no deep injury—no moral state ever aimed at
poor Ireland, that was not proposed by an Irishman. It
appeared that the Chancellor of the Exchequer in-
tended, that as far as he was concerned, it should al-
ways be so.—(A laugh.) He never objected to any,
even the most stringent measure, nor would he object
to any one that satisfied the Legislature, for compelling
Joint Stock Banks to give the fullest security ; hut
though the public ought to be secured, they ought nut
to set up the Bank of Ireland at the expense or the
Joint Stock Banks, as well as the public. He felt he
had trespassed too long on the empty benches.—(Hear,
hear, and laughter)—but he had endeavoured to vin-
dicate what he thought due to Ireland. It struck him
that since the world began there never was a more un-
founded demand than that made by this Bill.—(Hear,
hear.) The subject ought to be brought forward
at a period of the Session when the Pouse would be
thronged, and when the question might be Aiscussed to
ioglf into
the advantage of all parties. He should therefore move
As en amendment, that the House resolve
Committee that day three months.
Mr. HUMS seconded the amendment.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
Mr. GISBORNE rose and said, he could not undo.
stand why the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chance Hole
of the Exchequer should think this such a light matter
as not to be worthy of discussion.—(Hear, hear.) The
course of the Chancellor of the Exchequer on this sub-
ject had been somewhat devious, and he should
wish to pursue it through some of its windings.
That Right Honourable Gentleman had been Chair- i
man of a Committee appointed to inquire into
this subject, and the Report of that Committee
he (Mr. Gisborne) should presume, had been drawn sip
by the Chairman. In that Report it was stated that
one of the subjects to be inquired into was the expe-
diency or inexpediency of the privileges of the Bank
being continued ; that the Committee were of opinion
the Ist of Victoria, chap. 39, should be renewed for
one year, and that Parliament should be placed in such
a situation as to be free to adopt in the next Session
such legislative measures as on deliberation might seem
to be most expedient.—( Hear, hear.) That having been
the recommendation of the Committee, the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, on the 16th of July, when the As-
sizes were coming, and three-fifths of the Membars had
paired off and gone out of town, announced his intention
of renewing the monopoly of the Bank of Ireland.—
( Hear, hear.) Many Irish Members were absent, arol
out of the whole 105 Irish Members there were only
two in the House who supported the Chancellor of the
Exchequer—the Right Hon. the Learned Recorder for
Dublin, and the Hon. Member for Antrim, but who
were not regular supporters of the Government.— •
(Laughter.) If the argument of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer in favour of the monopoly to be con-
ferred by this Bill was good for Dublin it would
be also good for London.—(Hear, hear.) He
opposed the motion for going into Committee,
because he was sure the Bill would rot effect the ob-
jects in view, and also on account of the impossibility
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer knowing what were
the sentiments of the Irish representatives. And he
opposed it also, because it would conclude the whole
question.—(Hear, hear.) If the amendment of the
Hon. and Learned Member should be rejected, he
would more as another amendment that leave be given
to bring in a Bill to renew for one year, or further post-
pone until January 1841, the further payment of ad-
vances to the Bank of Ireland.
Mr. CLAY wished to take this opportunity of re-
ferring
to some statements made by him on a former
occasion on the subject of banking in America, became
those statements had been impugned, and because he be-
lieved that the House at that time thought the arguments
to be drawn from the experience of America were
not so important as they really were. It would be in
the recollection of the Hott.,e 'that in answer to the
arguments of the lion. Member for Kilkenny, who as-
serted that there could be no over-issues with a free
trade in banking, with banks issuing in competition
one with another, all being liable to pay notes, at the
will of the holder, in specie—it would be recollected that
in answer to that statement he (Mr. C.) referred to the
example of America, where the system of free banking
existed. The Hon. Member for Wolverhampton en-
deavoured to show that there was no analogy, because
the Currency Laws of Americo. were not similar to
those of England. Now, if it were true that
there was any essential difference in the laws
which regulated the currency of America and this
country, then the argument which he (Mr. C.) drew
from the analogy of the two countries would fall to the
ground. But the statements of the two Hon. Mem-
bers were founded on complete misapprehension. If
there was any difference, it was in the greater stringency
•of the law of America. The banks of America,
neglecting to pay on demand, were chargeable with
24 per cent. interest. The mode in which the interest
was enforced was this. An action of assumpsit was
brought, and on judgment being obtained, execution
issued not only against chattels, but against land.
An HoN. MEMBER here moved that the House be
counted. The gallery was cleared accordingly, but there
being 40 Members present,
Mr.CLA Y resumed--The result was that in the United
States, where Joint Stock Banks were conducted on the
soundest principles, the most remarkable over issue ever
known in the commercial world did take place during
the years 1804.5-6, attended with a degree of excitement
and over-trading without parallel in the annals of the
world, followed by a reaction as remarkable, and one
operation of which was that every one of these banks
stopped payment. These results were certain to follow
from Joint Stock Banks issuing in competition one Frith
another. Competing banks, if they were all inclined to
over-issue, could not check one another. It had been
contended that if there were no controlling central
bank, over-issue would be checked by these hawks
watching the course of the foreign exchanges
and regulating their issues accordingly ; but each
bank would feel that its own individual operations
could produce but very little effect on the course of
foreign exchanges, and would ask why it should sacri-
fice itself and the interests of its proprietors, when
others would not follow its example. The evidence of
facts corroborated this assumption. If ever it was in-
cumbent upon banks of every description to be back-
ward in increasing their issues, it was during the course
of the last season. Never had there been a period
when it was more their duty to watch the course of the
foreign exchanges, and to limit their issues.--(Hear,
hear.) Now, what were the facts ? la September,
1838, the circulation of the Bank of England amounted
to 19,360,0001., and the circulation of the Private
Banks and the Joint Stock Banks amounted to
11,360,0001., and now, after a lapse of nine months,
what was the state of the circulation ? The cir-
culation of the Bank of England amounted to
18,100,0001. ; while the circulation of the Private
and the Joint Stock Banks amounted to
12,275,0001., thus, during a period of the greatest dif-
ficulty, when there had been a great importation of
and
a great exportation of bullion, for the bullion
rs cf the Bank had diminished nearly on-
hicnoa 11;1'7:e thecoffers
Bank of England had diminished the circula-
tion by 1,258,0001., whilst the Private and Joint-Stock
Banks had increased theirs by 950,000/. What was

the case with regard toy the Billy of his Right Hon.
Friend ? Why he proposed, in the first place, to give cer-
tain advantages to the Joint-Stock Banks of Ireland,
which were most important, and which were entirely
overlooked by Gentlemen opposed to the Bill. He
proposed to give them the power to sne and be sued by
their Secretary, which was a great advantage, and ono
which the Englizli Joint-Stock Banks did not possess.
He had in vain endeavoured to obtain a similar privi-
lege for the London and Westminster Bank. But what
was the common-sense view of the question ? There
was a general conviction throughout the country, that
the whole monetary system must soon become the
subject of searching inquiry. If that were
the
e
case, what better corase could they pur
than to renew the charter for a short period—the par-
ties would be aware that they were entering merely
into a contingent agreement, and mustextens be
a, prepared
the
oeuntlota.
accede to the terms proposed for the ion
charter. If, on the other hiand, they gave the Joint
oStockreate
greatßanks
difficultiesthe po power
ern otfh
e s sway
n go
fnaont ey s
arrangement.
It would be easy to deal with the Bank of Ireland, be-
cause at the end of four years its charter would expire ;
but it would not be so easy to deal with the numerous
Joint Stock Banks which had acquired the power of
issuing notes. He did not say it would be right to per-
petuate the Bank charter, and he would vote against
any such measure. He observed that the advocates of

EVENING i4iDIT lON.

the unrestrained power of issuing paper money on the i Mr. O'CONNELL explained. In alluding to the
part of all Banks, assumed on all occasions that they I Post-office Returns he had designedly omitted any no-
were the advocates of free trade and the enemies of tice of Dublin, and had confined himself to those towns
monopoly, and that an unrestrained power of issue was within the blighting influence of the monopoly. He
for the benefit of the people. There could not be a did not appear there as the representative of the Na-
more gratuitous or unfounded assumption. It was tional Bank—when they appeared before that Houseessential that the public should feel that their interests or the Chancellor of the E e
xchequer, th were as corn-
y
were not identical with those of the issues of paper martial individuals ; but he thought it unfair th t the
money, and that in many instances their interests were Right Hon. Gentleman should attempt to tarnish the
diametrically opposed. This was not a question of character of any Bank. He had tarnished that of every
free trade, it was a question of giving permanently to bank in Ireland, especially the National Bank, which
unauthorised individuals that power which was an im- he said, but for assistance from the Bank of
perial function.—( Hear, hear.) It was the duty of the Ireland must have been received. Such a statement was
Government to secure such a medium of exchange as not founded in fact—during that crisis that Bank paid
should be free from abuse—(Hear, hear)—and that upwards of 400,000 h in gold, and was assisted with only
was a power which no individual or association ought 42,0001.
to possess.—(Hear, from Mr. O'Connell.) If he were TheC HANCELL OR of the EX C HEQUE Rhad taken
advocating an indefinite extension of the charter then very particular care to speak as generally as possible. He
he could understand that cheer, but he was doing no- had said that but for the assistance then given by the Bank
thing of the kind. What was the effect of an over issue ?
of Ireland, every Joint Stock Bank must have been ruined.
He had good means of knowing that such was the fact,
—it produced great excitement and a rise of prices,
but he had mentioned no sums, e c t the general amount
which from their uncertainty were a source of inconve- of 270,0001. which was the amount
ountof the whole advances.
nience to the comparatively affluent, but which were ab- He would indeed be sorry, if anything which fell from
aolute ruin to the poorer class, because it was well-known him, especially holding the situation be did, should tar.
that a rise in the necessaries of life was never followed rush or injure any establishment or individual.
by a corresponding rise in wages, and when the re-action Mr. O'CONNELL had certainly misunderstood the
came it paralyzed the commerce and manufactures of the Right Honourable Gentleman, and was satisfied with the
country ; for these reasons he should vete for going explanation.
into Committee, and he hoped the House would agree Mr. REDINGTON opposed the Bill;and would sup-
to the Bill. port the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
Mr. SHAW, who, in consequence of the confusion in He was sorry the Government had not enabled the Chan.
the House, was very imperfectly heard, was in favour of cellor of the Exchequer to introduce the measure at an
going into the Committee. He would take that oppor- earlier period. The Right Hon. Gentleman in endeavour-
tanity of alluding to a petition presented by the Hon. ing to carry this measure was seeking to continua a system
and Learned Gentleman from certain parties complain- the principle of which he himself had acknowledge to be
most objectionable. He was decidedly opposed to the
ing that the Bank of Ireland had refused to reimburse
continuance of a monopoly that would not, in any way, be
them for certain notes which had been stolen and de-
serviceable to Ireland ; and he thought
stroyed. The amount of notes stolen was 500/., prin. the Bank of Ireland ought at once to be abolished rather
cipally in small notes, which it was difficult to than to continue it until, as it was said, the whole
trace, The Bank of Ireland had, however, paid 2801. monetary system of the country would be taken
to these parties at one period, and 501. at another, and into full consideration. He did not deny that assistance
had afforded every facility in their power ; but, after all, had been rendered to many banks in Ireland in 1836, but
this was no public ground for petitioning against the then he believed a great part of the means by which that
renewal of the charter. No private bank would assistance was rendered came from England. This was
have reimbursed them. He agreed with the not a question that for the interests of Ireland ought to be
Honourable Member for Carlow, in blaming the settled according to the views which had been expressed
Government for bringing forward this measure that evening by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. There
might be very good reasons for continuing the monopoly
so late in the Session ; but it was hardly fair of him to
to the Bank of England, but those reasons did not exist
fe
reflect on the circumstance of there only being 55 Mem-continuingie a cordial vote vit tothe Banktain favour of Ireland.
of h
te Ha
amendment
hers to support the measure, omitting to state that therefore, erefore
there were only 17 to oppose it : 58 was not a large of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin.e
Fnumber certainly, but it was much larger than 17. He Mr. J. ELLIS would also oppose any further proceed-
thought at the moment the Hon. Gentleman made that ing with the Bill. The actual details and provisions of
observation that the lights above were rather more the Bill had not been known until ten days ago, and eon-
power-full than the lights below.—(Hear, and a laugh.) sequently there had not been an opportunity of ascertaining
(This observation was in allusion to the circumstance the sentiments of the people of Ireland with respect to the
B
of the illuminating powers of the Bode light being tried Bill. He believed several meetings were about being held
at the time Mr. Gisborne was speaking.)
on the subject, and at all events the Bill ought to be post-
Mr. HUME thought this question should not be pTohneedßauanktiletlheherleasundlt of those meetingexs
cwas! knowe.
disposed of by paltry details of this kind. The argu- leges, and he believed
peposselsesedwemreostafraidluoifv eeeptni
coming
-
ment of the.-lon. Member for Carlow was a good one, forward and stating theirephonest opinions for fear
inasmuch as it went to show that a question of this im- they would be harshly dealt with by the Bank. He
port-ance was discussed in a House of only 72 Members. (Mr. Ellis) knew that a bill had been presented at
What was wanted was no exclusion or monopoly, but one of the branch banks, and that it was refused because it
tire same privileges for the people of Ireland that the bad been drawn by an active party in resisting the mono-
people of Scotland possessed. They wanted the same poly of the Bank of Ireland. Indeed he believed the Bank
facilities in the negotiation of bills, and to remove the of Ireland had in several instances abused its power. The
*
gross injustice that at present existed. Why, he would Righ Hon. Gentleman had that night stated that the
charter was only to continue for three years, but in an in.
ask, was Ireland for five years to have inflicted upon
terview which a deputation had had with that Right
her that which was admitted to be an injustice, and Honourable Gentleman, he stated that if no oppo-
one that must be remedied at the expiration of that
its f
. tioonr t
ewaas
.e a offeredts
period ? The Hon. Member for the Tower Hamlets
wa,s altogether wrong in his facts with respect to the dering the) evils of UponcontinuinglN theo monopoly 'were so
Bank of England, and he was equally so with respect to manifeet, and the arguments of the Chancellor of the
the Bank of Ireland. In Scotland,and every country where Exchequer in favour of it were so fallacious-looking
there was free and open banking, the variation of the to the admission that had been made by the Chancellor of
currency was never equal to that which it had been the Exchequer, that Joint Stock Banks in themselves were
under the management of the Bank of England. The good, and that all the evils that had arisen were from mil.
principle of banking was now understood by the majo- management, he trusted they would succeed in defeating
city of the banks, and they found to their cost that if
)
this Bill.
Sir WM. SOMERVILLE also opposed the Bill, and
they issued more money than commerce required, runs
complained of the period at which it had been introduced,
instantly took place upon them, and they were obliged
we
and
which
hf bi its
bad
t o
the having
honour
been t
e printed
di
to find bullion. The Irish people, so far from agreeing
with the Hon. Member, wished to have the system o cal, and every other party represent,(Alatgh.)y, Whig,wereunited
Scotch banking established there. It appeared to him in one common band in opposing the Bill. He was sorry
that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was acting most to think they should be united in opposition to her Ma-
improperly in introducing this Bill.—(Hear, hear.) jesty's Government; but he had been called upon by his
What were his arguments formerly, when he was anxi- constituents either to resign his seat or oppose the Bill.
out to establish Joint Stock Banks ? Why, then he He had always given an honest and conscientious, and
was for ado tins the s stem of Scotch banking but
a disinterested support to the Government, because he felt
,
they . had introduced measures that were calculated to
now he was of a contrary opinion.—(Hear, hear.)
benefit his country. He, however, thought the Bill now
What was the cause of that ? Had the Joint Stock proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer would have
honking system failed? Clearly not ; but the Right quite the contrary effect, an 3 therefore he should oppose it,
Hon. Gentleman had changed his o inions.
_I-le Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
thong the Right Hon. Gentleman wasptreating Ire- House divided, when the numbers were—
land most shamefully in introducing the measure, and For going into Committee 57
he should therefore support his Hon. and Learned
Friend's motion, and every other motion that had for
its object the prevention of the Bill passing in its pre-
sent odious shape.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
wished to say a few words relative to the grounds of
the vote he intended to give, and he entreated the
Howe to support him in that vote. He did not For the amendment l9
Majority against the amendment —3B
The House then went into Committee, Mr. BERNAL in
the Chair.
On the first question which arose,
Mr. O'CONNELL said he meant to take the sense of
theleas House on that question, for there had not been the
havet reason given
ruu why the peopleo considering the
should not
the f3a e
kth 0 f
Irmatter.el„tnd
support the present arrangement of the Bank of Ire- Nor had he given any reasyon why
land because he thought it the best arrangement that should continue to enjoy this monopoly. If the Bill had
could be made.—( Hear, hear.) But what he urged been brought in at a proper period, instead of 20 petitions
r n Hon. Members was, that if they did not pass this there would have been 509, with a million of signatures,
Bill they would get a worse system of banking. Flit and every Irish Member, under the direction cf his consti-
wished to state to those who supposed he had hostility tuents would have given his moat determined oppcsition to
to Joint Stock Banks in introducing this measure, that the measure. There was no institution so unpopular as the
by this Bill their present privileges would be increased Bank of Ireland.
Thegallery was then cleared for a division, but none
, and others given to them which they did not at present t
ook place. On our re-admission we found
1 possess.—( Hear, hear.) But then it was said if such -
Mr. HUME on his legs objecting to the trifling amount
I was tlee ease why not go further, and to that he would
of the discounts of the Bank of Ireland—in 1808 they
i assurer that it could not be done with safety. He had amounted to 2,978,0001.; in 1819 they were reduced to
been attaaked from all sides with respect to this men- 1 800 000/. ; in 127 they amounted to 2.900,0001. ; in
1 sure—some. had said that he was acting unfairly and 1829' 'the had increased u
,30604,9000000/.1; and in 184.36edthfey
unjustly towards the public in bringing it forward— had been' again reduced tto3,
and others had said that he hed introduced this monopoly on the ground of its giving them)? tlaie. poweror
it net pported by any of his colleagues. Now, in an- of assisting the commerce of Ireland, and he would. ask the
serer to the latter assertion, he would state, without Right Hon. Gentleman how he could make it appear that
any reserve, that he did not propose the measure with-
this Bank, poss..ssing as it did so large an amount of die.
Oat the approval of every Member of Lord Melbourne's potable capital, and affording such small accommodation
in the way of discount, could be said to benefit the coun-
Government.—(Hear, hear.) He could assure the
trhy. Again,.tlie Hon. Member for Newry had stated that
House most sincerely that the measure had been brought t
with
men of that part of the country had no
forward in good faith. Then it had been stated as an
connectioneem ier:
it then,. could the Back of
angument against the renewal of the charter to the Ireland benefit it. It was. a positive',lnjUry.
Bank of Ireland, that it gave too little accommodation The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
to the public, while the evidence that had been adduced somewhat surprised at what bad fallen from the Hon
on the subject proved that it gave too much.— . Gentleman on the question of discount. He was satisfied
(Cries of ° Hear,- hear.") With respect to the that every bank would do as much business as it could
necessity for taking the present steps, it was only ne- do with safety. The rate of discount at present was 6 per
cessary for him to state that from the provisional ar- edit. Now, unless the Directors of the Bank of Ireland
rangement, for it was only provisional, he obtained con- were unlike every other men in the world, it was hut likely
siderable economy for the public, for by it he took out that the, would he content with investing money at 3 per
of the market, for the benefit of the public, no less a cent. wheni they could get 6 per cent for it. He believed
sum than one million of Exchequer Bills. He had been that it was never necessary to stimulate any banking esta -
blihment to increase their discounts ; the necessity was
much blamed, and had received many taunts, on ea- quitee,er he
other way. way. With regard to this question, how-
count of the late period of the Sesslen in which the
se-denbturteh_to assert, that if the accounts of
Bill was introduced ; but was that fair ? They were all disco'unetswafford Joint tack Banks for the same
aware of the manner in which the public business period were examined,. they would not be found greater in
was stopped early in the Session, in the expectation proportion than the discounts afforded by the Bank of Ire-
of a change in the Administration ; and many gentle- land.
men were present who were aware that both in that Mr. HUME said the principle propounded by the
House and out of it he had pressed his Noble Friend Right Hon. Gentleman would be quite right if there were
for an opportunity of bringing in the Bill, but his Noble competition. But by doing away with competition they
were placing the Bank in that situation that they might act
Friend (Lord J. il-..usseli) was so pressed on the one side, as they pleased, either politically or otherwise. At the
and entreated on the other, that he had found it im- yeefryfrtilmredthe Right Hon. Gentleman said that the Bank
possible to do so. It was said that the people of Ire-
eareetini
lowering
wseor i
a o. prudentlythe a
ma: a raetgeafr dtehde . theirr
bullion. -
Ia r d were not aware of the Bill. Now, what were the countes,athewyaws
facts of the case ? Why, that Newry, Ross, and Wex- By this conduct they induced other bankers to lmake over-
ford had petitioned against the renewal of the Bank issues, and thus produced that very panic which they now
Charter so much as two months ago, which proved tcok credit to themselves for stopping. Why should not
that they had plenty of notice of the Bill. What was competition produce the same beneficial effect in Dublin
the character of the opposition that had lately been got up. that it did in Belfast. He urged the Right Hon. Gentle-
There was a private bank of the most absurd and foolish man to pause, and to take time to consider before he pro-
nature of any that had ever been started—one person ceeded further. He was surprised to hear that night, for
the first time, that notice bad not been given. What had
was the founder of it, and his only partner was the person the Chancellor of the Exchequer been about ? He had
whom he employed to engrave his notes. One of been neglecting his duty. Wby not have negotiated in
them lately bought 101. and the other 35/. of the 1838, and have saved the country 23,6004, which it had
lost stock of the Bank of Ireland, for the purpose of giving
,tbhye this delay of two years ?
them the power of voting at the meeting of proprietors, CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
. held lately in Dublin. These were the proposers and r
that the whole course of the proceeding showed that he
seconders of the resolutions. It had been said that he had not given the notice.
et Suppose he had done as the
was n enemy to the principle of Joint'Stock Banking. Hon. Gentleman desired, given the notice in February, h
On the contrary, he felt great pride in having been one should have been called on to pay back the money.
of the first and principal persons who got up the Pro- Mr. HUME said his Hon. Friend, the Member for
vincial Bank, and he fully believed it had done much Dublin, had been deceived, as well as himself. They had
g"d- He wanted to foster theinciple, but at the
both understood that notice had been given. It ought to
pr
same time he wanted to keep it within bounds, as only have been given then; and the Chancellor of the Exche
quer should have borrowed the amount necessary and
anhde.
so wouldg distress
tislarove beneficial to the country. When the
banking repaid the Bank. It was not so easy to do
Agricultural all
theisted in Ireland, the National, the would admit, but it would have been perfectly easy to now,
Joint Stock Banks were saved from raised the money at that time. The public ought to have
ruin by the advanceste of the Bank of Ireland, which in been left free, and the Government ought to have placed
crises were made to extent of 270,0001., yet those the Bank of Ireland in the situation of suitors to them.
banks now op
that He would advise the Right Hon. Gentleman to lose no
their benefactor. He did not,
however, llelieviaetime in giving the notice, and then bring the question on
banks, as there was opposition came from the
of the
from one of them early next. Session. The people of Ireland would be better
against the Bill on the tall):
and Learned Member from Dublien House. The Hon. satisfied if the subject were treated in this manner, even if
it should be eventually determined to continue the'
in a state of decay, and in proof of said
that city was
that he referred to nopoly for four years longer. At present he considered it
the returns of the Post-office Revenue.
a job. Every thing that went against the public he called
that in the period be referred to there Was
abeehne aawsuarme a job.
. J. ABEL SMITH protested against the argu-
. of 26,0 taken from the Dublin Porestee
ferest
.arrangement being come to with the' by
a dif- ments made use of by some of the opponents of this men.
Department, and another sum of 10,030 E Ordnance sure. He considered that every bank issuing notes to a
4 gages and. towns around Dublio, fromwhich was the vil- large amount, and holding large deposits, ought to be
The WaS now obliged to hold large quantities of stock, or of other im-
charged to another account?
Customs'a Re- mediately available security, in order to meet any call that
venue of Dublin had increased in
ratio as that of Belfast, which was well knowgrneatto a
tmightabne made upon them. He considered the tteethcoenhdiuchteostf
be he.B kof Ireland in this respect
the most thriving port or town in Ireland ; yet it was wellworthy the 'g '
said Dublin was decaying. He had been taunted, that Praise, and that their example was
Lion of every other banking establishment.
given to Ireland, except b Mr. O'CONNELL said that it was obvious the more
no moral stab was ever
Irishmen ; he thought that might have been spared.
except by stockß any bank possessed the more solvent it must be.
had been in the House before the Hon. and veurtmethis bank had first the capital stock invested in Go-
Hetsesvecurities, which was erfectly right—but they
Learned Gentleman ; he had acted then, and he was received
not conscious of ever acting from any other motive, for ":11,
and
if these
from trop public in the shape of
count, surely the public
deposits
He would agree thatright
the benefit of his native country.—( Hear, hear.) They public only receivedsei:aheree millions were locked up and the
ought to discuss it as a question of great commercial it fdoaurmillions in the shape of die-
interest, and not in such a manner as that had been from m
wereola tti
they,
n .
Themore ca
etheFefiore
but that was a bad system .
therefore, to let this bankPl have were
monopoly.
"pita the bank had locked the more solvent
theto expectthl
ie greater
safe—but
c %mu;
the first. The whole question must soon come to be
discussed, but it would not then be a question of a would it be;
monopoly for the Bank of England that of Ireland,
nor bank safe at the expense of the the
monopoly
which made
but the
t question must then be the establishment of the accommodation. public who stood in need
as . eat central bank of issue.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. J. ABEL SMITH considered that every bank was
trwegoaridoitnot.estmetbitainohn, he
us ' ' ' ~ 'ng of paper money payable on de- I bound to hold an amount in readiness sufficient to meet 1
es
already two ts; te-e-Wei_i ...:3%-.....-71-' at national calamity to any coun- I its notes andcietsredewpeorseitss.
il, Ysinzinre,a.
.. He asked the House to affirm understood
.h
, it
.;:priacir ep -ill, not because it the b
was eat, Dublin, which, although tiler did • banks in
not issue notes, eis-
L 414;,befitUs4 it wttiefib
, safest ; above all he asked them , counted largely ; so that in this respect at least there' was
t - ' do o for the ' competition.
4 bargt and prosperity of Ireland at the I
-- • - i time. ' -14, Mr. O'CONNELL contended that the public were 1

entitled to greater accommodation for the money they ad-
vanced than the Bank of Ireland afforded those who kept
an immense amount of their capital lying idle.
Mr. SIIA W said the difficulty in Dublin was to get
good bills to discount, and not to get bankers to discount
them. Two banks had already withdrawn from business,
because the amount of their transactions was so small.

Mr. HUME would ask why, then, they should be afraid
of letting in other bankers, and why they should seek for
monopoly ? According to the evidence of Mr. Gunning,
the banker, commercial bills were better for bankers
to hold than Exchequer bills or Government securities,
which were not always available without loss. Therefore
the Bank of Ireland acted wrong, and the public were thereby
deprived of that accommodation which they ought to have.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
remind the Hon. Gentleman that the capital lent to the
Government could not be considered as immediately avail-
able; it was what bankers called a dead lock-up, and there-
fore any argument raised on that assumption was a fallacy.
Mr. FINCH would ask what would be thought of any
banker who should lend three-fourths of his capital to one
customer, and bind himself down not to call for repayment
without a long notice. He would vote with the Hon.
Member for Dublin on every division which he thought it
necessary to call for.
Mr. ELLIS said, with respect to commercial bills, he i
was one of those who thought that unless the Government
securities of the country were placed on a better footing,
parties would be much more anxious to lay out their
money on commercial bills than Government securities.
After a few words from Mr. O'CONNELL and Mr.
A. SMITH, the Committee divided, when there appeared
For the original motion 49
Against it
Majority 29
On our admission we found
Mr. O'CONNELL on his legs, moving the omission
of the words " hereinbefore recited Acts" from the Ist
clause, on the ground that the Acts were not specifically
mentioned in the clause.
The Committee divided, and there appeared—.
Ayes 42
Noes lB
Majority for the clause —24
Mr. O'CONNELL then moved that the following
words be added to the clause, " in the schedule hereunto
annexed mentioned." That would give an opportunity of
attaching a schedule to the Act, and specifying each of the
Acts, as was done in the English Municipal Reform Bill
and the Irish Municipal Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
jected to the introduction of the words now, although he
would not object to them on the bringing up of the Report.
The Committee divided and the numbers were—
For the amendment .
Against it 39
Majority against the insertion of the words —2l
On our re-admission we found—
Mr. ELLIS on his legs moving that the Chairman
should report progress.
Mr. PRYME thought it would be impossible to proceed
with any Bill if such a practice was to be persevered in, as
it would give an opportunity for a small minority to defeat
any measure.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that the observation of the
Hon. Member would have been justified if the Bill had
been introduced in proper time.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared,
For the motion
Against it
Majority —23

On our return to the gallery we were again ordered
to withdraw, the motion for reporting progress having
been again made.
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
Against it

39
Majority

On our re-admission we found the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER on his legs, stating that he
thought it was useless to persevere in opposing the motion
for reporting progress, but if they did so, he should propose
that the House should sit again at 12 o'clock to-morrow.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that there was no opposition
or delay that the forms of the House would permit that
he would not make to the House to sit at that hour. He
was now ready to proceed with the Bill till five o'clock
in the morning, and if the question was put with respect
to sitting at twelve o'clock, he should move that five
o'clock be substituted, and would take the sense of the
House upon it,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
he would, under those circumstances, go on with the Bill
at five o'clock to-morrow.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and
obtained leave to sit again to-morrow at Five o'Clock.
The House then resumed.
Mr. O'CONNELL obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to regulate the profession of Attorneys and Solicitors in
Ireland. The Hon. Gentleman also obtained leave to
bring in a Bill for the incorporation of the Society called
the King's Inns in Dublin.
DUKE OF MARLBOROUGH'S PENSION.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
for leave to bring in a Bill to exempt the Parliamentary
grant to the heirs of John Duke of Marlborough, from
the payment of the duty of one shilling and sixpence in
the pound.
Mr HUME objected to such a motion being made at
so late an hour.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved, as an amendment, that
the House do adjourn. He objected to Bills of that de-
scription being introduced at so late a period of the Session.
Strangers IN cre then ordered to withdraw, and the Houst
divided—

For the motion .

39

For the adjournment
31;,jority.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH INDIA

-39

Mr. MARK PHILLIPS moved for copies of the cor-
respondence which has taken place between the India Board
and the Court of Directors of the East India Company
since January last on the subject of Steam Communication
with India.
Sir J. C. 110BHOUSE objected to the publication of
the correspondence, as it was confidential.
After a short discussion,
The motion was negatived without a division.
Mr. H. HINDE moved for an Address, praying " that
her Majesty will be pleased to give directions that an en-
gineer or engineers may be appointed to inquire and report
upon the relative merits and the preference which ought
to be given to the respective already surveyed and projected
Railwas between London and Edinburgh, following,
namely, via Newcastle-upon-Tyne and Berwick, via New-
castle-upvn-T yne and Ilexlipm, via Lancaster, Whitehaven
and Carlisle, via Lancaster, Penrith, and Carlisle ; the
said Inquiry and Report to include the relative merits c!
the two lines from London to York by Derby and Re-
therham, and by Cambridge and Lincoln."—Agreed to.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL moved ror copies of the memo-
rial of Mr. R. Haig to the Lords of the Treasury, bearing
date the 30th day of May, 1822. and of the answer thereto
of the Bth day of July, 1822. Copes of all the Treasury
minutes made upon the said memorial, and of all proceed-
ings showing the result of she inquiries directed by their
Lordships to be made in regard thereto.—Agreed to.
The House adjourned at half-past One o'Clock.

BUDE LIGHT.

LIGHTING THE HOUSE OF COMMONS

Last evening basing been fixed for the purpose of test-
ing the comparative merits of the Bude Light, and of the
" short threes," or as Sir F. Trench somewhat quaintly
expresses it, of trying " the Philosopher's light" against
" the Gentleman's light," considerable curiosity was ex-
cited in consequence. For the purpose of giving full effect
to the Bude Light, fourteen lenses of ground glass of con-
siderable size were fixed, seven on each side, at equal dis-
tances, in the skylight which runs along each side of the
House. The procesLof illumination commenced at about
a quarter after seven, nd was completed in a quarter of
an hour. At first the light was rather insufficient, but it
gradually increased in intensity until the whole interior of
the House was brilliantly illuminated in such a manner as to
produce quite a dioramic effect. The light in the gallery was
now intensely powerful and dazzling, but it was speedily sub-
dued,thus proving that the intensity of the light is completely
under command and can be varied at pleasure from a mild
moonlight to a brilliancy as dazzling as that of the sun.
It would be hardly fair to form a decided opinion on a
first experiment, but we have no doubt that the Bude Light
may be so regulated as to become most efficient. At
9 o'clock the Bude Light was extinguished, and " the
short threes" substituted; and we must confess that "the
Gentleman's light" was merely " darkness visible" after
the " Philosopher's."

CHARTIST ADDRESSES TO THE

QUEEN.

BRISTOL, MONDAY EVENING.—This being the first
of the " three days' grace" granted to the working
classes "by order.' of the National Convention, to
prepare for the " sacred month," the members of the
Bristol Working Men's Association convened a public
meeting on Brandon Hill, by means of large posting
bills, to consider the present state of affairs and to
address her Majesty, requesting the dismissal of the
present Ministry, the dissolution of the present Parlia-
ment, and the convening of one disposed to pass the
People's Charter, and to dissolve the union between
England and Ireland. The working men also respect-
fully request her Majesty to discharge all political of-
fenders, and to pardon Francis Roberts, Joseph Howell,
and John Jones, convicted of riot and arson at Bir-
mingham, and who now lie under sentence of death.
The bill announced that the procession would leave
the rooms of the Working Men's Association in
Temple-street precisely at ten o'clock ; the members
did not muster, however, till near twelve.
Mr. CLARK took the Chair, and told the meeting
that they were slaves to both factions, that the Tories
had governed them for fifty years and incurred a debt
of 800 millions, and the Whigs had ruled for seven
years and increased it 9.0 or 100 fold.
Mr. LEWIS then moved an address to the Queen.

Several other persons addressed the meeting, and the
address to the Queen, praying her Majesty to pardon
the three men convicted at the Warwick assizes, was
unanimously adopted.

TAXING AN ATTORNEY'S BILL.—On Tuesday
an action was brought in the Secondaries' Court by an
attorney, named Wright, to recover the sum of 201. Bs.,
being the amount of a bill of costs. It appeared the de-
fendant, who had lately taken the benefit of the Insolvent
Act, had applied to a fellow-prisoner, who was a solicitor,
to extricate him from his difficulties, and the latter intro-
duced him to the plaintiff. It was not until three days
after the defendant's discharge that the plaintiff sent in his
bill for the above amount. The Secondary, on looking
over the bill, said the charges were ton high, and as the
di-fen‘iaiit i.ai not gut taxed, the jai could gi,e such
amount as they thought fair. The jury, in a few minutes, I
returned a verdict for the plaintiff—Damages 101.

THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY, AUGUST 15, 1839

the throwing of the soil and rubbish into the River.
It may have been done by the sub-contractor.
After some further conversation, the Counsel con-
ferred together, and at length terms of reference were
agreed upon.
Lord DENMAN then addressed the jury and said,
that according to the arrangement that had been en-
tered into, they would have to return a verdict of guilty
against the defendants. They had undertaken to re-
move and remedy the nuisance that had ;been already
occasioned, and it must be understood by all persons
having an interest in such works, that persons employ-
ing others to execute works of this description, were
bound to see that they were not carried on so as to
become a nuisance to the public. if the defendants did
not abate the nuisance in a satisfactory manner, they
would be brought up for judgment, and the Court
would take care to inflict such a punishment as would
effectually prevent the nuisance in future.
The Jury then returned a verdict of guilty, and the
defendants entered into recognizances to appear, and
receive judgment if called upon to do so

NORTHERN CIRCUIT.—LANCASTER, Auo. 12.
James Lucky, aged 28, and Julia Lucky, his wife,
aged 21, were indicted for the wilful murder of Michael
Donohue. at Preston, in the month of December lest.
The prisoners had been remanded from the last Assizes
in consequence of the absence of some witnesses who
had been present at the inquest, but who had since kept
out of the way. Further evidence, however; having
been procured, a bill was found against them at these
Assizes, and they were put on their trial. The prose-
cution was conducted by Mr. Segur ; the prisoners
were defended by Dr. Brown.
From the testimony of one Anthony Joyce, it ap-
peared that he wrought under the deceased, who was a
gangsman on the Preston Railway. On the evening in
question the deceased received at Penwortham the money
to pay the men under him, and, accompanied by several of
them, went to the house of J. Lacky, where he lodged.
On going into the house he sat down, and asked for the
account against him in the shop for himself and the men in
his employment. Julia Lacky went out, and returned
with a docket which she showed to the deceased and
his timekeeper, one Ridley. The deceased said he
would not pay it unless she brought him a proper bill,
and he had day and date for all he had received. She
refused to go for such bill, but was finally persuaded by
her husband to do so. She came back, however, with-
out it, and insisted upon being paid the money. While
the dispute continued, Michael Lacky, a brother of the
prisoner, who had been present at its commencement,
but had gone out, returned with thirteen or fourteen
men from the works on the North-road. On their en-
tering the house the front door was locked and the back
door was bolted. The prisoner Julia then repeated her
demand for the money, Paying if he did not pay it she
would have his life. He still refused unless he had a
proper bill. She then struck at him, and he rose and
pushed her away. The prisoner James then struck
him, and was followed by Michael and Patrick Lacky,
together with another man, a stranger, who was not
identified. He resisted them for some time, but was
finally knocked down. He, however, got to his feet
again, crying, " Oh, James, mercy, mercy ;" the
blood streaming from a wound in his head. He was
again knocked down, however, and the witness and
a man named Goggan, who had endeavoured to
interfere, were thrust up a small lobby leading to the
back door. The deceased became insensible from the
blows he received while on the ground, and while in this
state his pockets were searched by the prisoner James,
and a quantity of silver taken from them. The prisoner
Julia held the candle while he counted it. She then ex-
claimed, " He has got a shilling more." This they
searched for, and it was found beside the deceased,
who was lying on the floor. In the mean time a
crowd had been collected round the door, some of
whom threw open the window and pushed back the
shutters. These corroborated the testimony of Joyce.
They further stated that the prisoner Julia was heard
to say in the course of the quarrel, " Shake the money
out of him," and that after it had been taken from his
person Patrick Lacky gave him several kicks on thehead
and jumped upon his adomen. On the parties at the
window crying out and endeavouring- to force the door,
all the parties made their escape by the back door. One
of them was seen by a boy to have a knife in his hand.
The body was found by the constables a few minutes
after lying in the middle of the floor. There was a deep
cut on the left temple, as if inflicted by a severe stroke
from a sharp instrument. Other contusions were per-
ceptible on the back of the head, and there were marks
of finger-nails on the throat. He was quite dead, and on
opening the body there was found to be a most exten-
sive extravasation of blood, which had produzed instant
death.

The Jury found both the prisoners guilty of man-
slaughter.
His LORDSHIP, in passing sentence, said the Jury
had taken a most merciful view of their case, and,
looking at all the circumstances, he had no hesitation as
to the sentence which he should pronounce, and which
would be the most severe which the law imposed for
that crime of which they had been convicted.
Prisoner James Lacky—Oh, mercy, mercy, my Lord.
" I cannot forget," said his LORDSHIP, " that when
that unfortunate man whom you have hurried into eter-
nity cried to you, James Lacky, for mercy, he cried in
vain. The sentence of the Court is, that you and each
of you be transported beyond the seas for the term of
your natural lives."
The prisoner James Lacky repeatedly exclaimed,
" Oh, my Lord, my Lord, let us go together ; and the
female prisoner, who was a very pretty young woman,
fell on her knees, shrieking out, " Oh, my children, my
poor children, what will become of them ?" She con-
tinued repeating these exclamations as she was removed
from the dock.

CHESTER, AUGUST 12.
THE CHARTIST TRIALS.
The Assizes commenced to-day.
Mr. Baron GURNEY, in charging the Grand Jury,
.aid—There are nearly twenty persons counted in the
calendar for having riotously assembled ; but the depo-
sitions which have been returned to me carry the cases
much further than those of ordinary cases of riot. They
disclose the laborious machinations of evil-minded men
to infuse discontent into the minds of the mass of the
operatives, and, indeed, of the labouring classes in ge-
neral, by teaching them that the higher and middling
classes are their tyrants and oppressors. I have reason
to • believe, from the depositions which I have
read, that bills of indictment will be preferred to
you, charging some with riotously assembling, some
with using seditious words,
,and others with an un-
lawful conspiracy. To constitute a riotous assemblage
you must have three persons. The depositions state
that these assemblies have taken place at unseasonable
hours, and under circumstances which would necessarily
produce terror among the peaceable and well-disposed
part of the community. The depositions all state
the language to be of the most seditious description.
For the purpose of making a conspiracy it is not neces
sary that they should all have known of it ; but if, by
means of these speeches and publications they are in-
duced to act, though at a distance from each other, in
the execution of the same plan, they are still conspira-
tors : the act of one is the act of all. An act done in
this county for the furtherance of the common design is
an act for which they are all answerable, even though
the parties should never have designed it ; and though
they'should reside in another county they may be pro-
perly charged in one and the same indictment. The
arrest and prosecution of these persons in this stage of
the proceedings is an act of mercy to them. It is but
too apparent that if allowed to go on unchecked they
would undoubtedly be involved in a charge of treason ;
but to prevent these practices it is necessary that the
strongest arm of the law should interfere. The aiders
and abettors of such acts will find the law too strong for
them, and the most rigorous punishment will be inflicted
on those that are found guilty. But in a Court of Jus-
tice the guilty and the guilty only, will be punished.
The Learned Judge's exposition of the law relating to
conspiracy is said to have been anything but satisfactory
to the assembled Chartists who attended the Court ;
and those who have to be tried for that offence enter-
tain an opinion that they will be found guilty. The
good folks of Chester were terribly alarmed at the
expected ingress of Chartists, but they have not ar-
rived in large numbers as yet. The trials, however, of
the Chartists are not expected to come on until the lat-
ter end of the week.
The authorities appear to have apprehended a riot,
and the Mayor in consequence issued a notice.
The city is well protected. Independent of its
being a garrison well filled with troops and ammunition,
500 special constables and 200 pensioners have been
sworn in. The Mayor also applied to Lord John
Russell or the subject of calling out the Cheshire
Yeomanry, and the following is the reply to that
application :

" Whitehall, August 9, 1839

" Sir,—l am directed by Lord John Russell to
acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 4th,
and its enclosure, and to inform you that he has re-
quested the Lord-Lieutenant of Cheshire to call out
the Yeomanry Cavalry, and post it in the neighbour-
hood of Chester during the trial of the Chartists next
week. Directions have also been ghen for sending 60
cutlasses to the clerk of the peace for the specia
constables.
" I am, &c.,

" S. M. PHILLIPPS."

The yeomanry are now stationed in the town, but
one troop was despatched to Macclesfield at 3 o'clock
this morning to protect that town, as an express was
sent to Chester, stating that it was anticipated, from
the excited state of the people, that a disturbance
would take place to day. All is peaceable here, and
no further news has been received from Macclesfield.
A disturbance took place in Manchester to-day in cele-
brating the commencement of " the national holiday."
Seven fresh arrests are said to have taken place in that
town this morning.