The Sun.
London, England, 1839-04-18 00:00:00

LONDON :
THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 1839.

The Lords only received petitions and passed the Mu.
tiny Bills last night.
In the Commons there was a brief discussion on a ques-
tion of Members voting in a Committee on a Private 818
of no public interest. Several petitions, some complain-
ing of life and property being insecure in Ireland, and
others in favour of the Government were presented.
The debate on the Irish question was resumed and occu-
pied the remainder of the evening. Mr. BARRON opened the
proceedings, and introduced a little variety into the debate,
by a statement concerning the conduct of the Marquis of
Warranaorna, in turning tenants off his land, and which,
like many other statements made during the debate, was
contradicted. Mr. BARRON eulogized the Government,
and showed in a variety of ways, such as an improvement in
the value of land, the progress of manufactures, &c., that.
Ireland had made considerable progress under Lord NOR..
MA NBY'S Administration.
Sir ROBERT BATESON took a directly opposite view,
and discussed the subjects of Rail-roads, the Kildare-
street Society, the Orange faction, &c. &c., concluding
his omnibus speech by very properly implying that he could
not gild the refined gold of Sir ROBERT PEEL. The Irish
Baronet must be a bad metallurgist to take the tinsel of the
English Baronet for gold, particularly after it has been
tested and proved to be base metal,
Mr. Gao-ra's speech is remarkable for declaring his
intention to vote for Lord JOHN RUSSELL'S motion, and
his dissent from the general policy of the Ministry. He
had no wish, he said, to see Lord MELBOURNE continue in
office, and he expressed an opinion that a vote was
asked by the Ministers on this part of their policy,
because it was equitable and just. It stood out is relief
from their general adherence to the Tory principles of
Government. He also _ signified his determination
to vote for Mr. T. DUNCOMBE'S amendment. Such
language publicly used by Mr. GROTE, who is most
certainly a sincere and a calm-minded man, must,
we presume, convince the Ministers bow much they have
fallen in the estimation of their usual supporters, and
how necessary it is for them, if they wish to be distin-
guished from the Tories, and retain the confidence of
their own friends, to assume a bolder and more decided
character. They ought to state openly and honestly what
they mean to do, and what are the difficulties which
they find in carrying out a Reform policy. If honestly
stated, they might perchance convince men like Mr. GROTE
of the impossibility of now acting on the pi inciples he ad-
vocates. Whether or not the continuance of the Liberal
Ministers in office does not turn patriots into Tories, by
feeding them on Tory food, is a question which some of ,
our brethren should discuss. Mr. GROTE, wanting no-
thing, may probably be afraid, if the Whigs remain in
office, that he will by and bye be almost the only Radical ,
left.

Mr. GinsoN, a gentleman who has, on two or three oc-
casions, distinguished himself; declared last night, though
he sits on the Tory side, that he would not vote for Sir
ROBERT PEEL'S amendment, because he did not know
whether the appointment of a Committee by the Lords
were or were not a censure on the Government. He con-
gratulated Sir ROBERT on his declaration that he would
not make religious opinions a qualification for office—a de-
claration in which the Right Hon. Bart. must be insincere,
or he must not mean, as he said, to protect the Irish Church.
His Irish friends have no peculiar claims on him but their
religious opinions; and Mr. Sergeant JACKSON, and the
other Protestants, would look askance at Sir ROBERT,
were be to show no preference for them to Catholics. Mr.
GIBSON expressed a hope also, that Sir ROBERT PEEL'S
denunciation of party meetings would influence the con.
duct of the bigots who are to meet at Exeter.hall. Sir
ROBERT ought to have denaunced their meetings before he
profited by them.
Sir E. L. BULWER supported the Government, and pointed
out that but for the mild and just administration of the
Marquis of NORMANBY, the Irish, grievously disap-
pointed by the Apprporiation Clause being excluded from
the Irish Tithe Act, would not have submitted to it, and
Ireland would again have been plunged into confusion.
Mr. LITTON introduced the Irish Corporation B:11, and
the normal schools of agitation, into the debate, for which
he was deservedly complimented by Mr. PIGOTT, as having
brought variety into the discussion.
Mr. PIGOTT, the Solicitor-General for Ireland, wasted his
powers by combating the assertions of Mr. EMERSON
TEN NENT, which every other person thinks unworthy of no
tire. The Learned Gentleman otherwise made a sensible,
clever speech, and demonstrated, as far as anything con-
cerning Ireland can be demonstrated, that the number of
crimes had diminished under Lord NORMANBY'S Govern-

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The Recorder of Dublin, Mr. SHAW, was piqued by Mr.
PIGOTT'3 observations into making a speech which might
as well have been omitted. A great deal of the discus-
sion between these Gentlemen concerned the returns
made by the Inspectors of Prisons, and those made by
the Clerks of the Peace of Ireland, the discrepancies
between which combined with the continued contradic-

tions given to each other by Irish Members, have be-
gotten a general suspicion that neither documents nor as-
sertions concerning Ireland, can be relied on. This
makes us heartily sick of the subject.
The Dobate was again adjourned at Twelve o'Clock.

The Conservatives, if we are to judge from their
Journals, are the most pure, the most noble, the most
virtuous politicians in existence. They include all the
respectable and opulent classes. Their opponents, ac-
cording to them, are only the mob, political dissenters,
hungry placemen, fellows who wish to destroy the
Church that they may have its property, and root out
the present race of landlords only to clothe themselves
in their spoils. Conservative policy even assumes a
religious character. Those who follow it assert that

they arc God-fearing, humble-hearted men, while their
opponents are mere superstitious Catholics, hard-
hearted infidels, and arrogant atheists. We mean to
question the justice of this self-praise, and show what
the Conservatives really are.
Up to a recent period they gloried in the
title of Tories, and then were the de-
fenders of oligarchical tyranny. They were Right
Divine men, and brought the attributes of the Al-
mighty into discredit by describing their brutal tyranny
as ordained by Him. Their avowed creed was, that