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whiskey seliels. He only regretted that the propoei
viLOm did eat go further.
Mr. PIGOTT had a p_tition to present from Clonmel
signed by respectable men of all parties, seeking a change
in the present lew which had driven the trade into
places where the publicans were less undet the obscr..
vation of the public and the plice.
Mr. SHIEL had two petitions to present in favour of
the clause,
Colonel PERCEVAL thought the law as it at pre-
sent stood was most beneficial.

Mr. HUME had present:d a petition from Kilkenrr
in favour cf this clause.

The House then divided, %hen there appearel
For the Clause
te•
Against it ,
Majority in favour of the clause
_ _

The clause was then brought up, and after a few
words from Mr. Shaw, Lord Morpeth, and Mr. O'Co4nell,
was read a first time.

On the motion that the clause be read a sPcond time;
the House again divided,

For the second reading
Against it.......
Majority for the second reading .... —24
The clause was then read a third time, and added to
the Bill by way of rider. The Bill then passed.
On the bringing up of the first report of supply,
Mr. WALLACE moved—That a Commission be ap-
pointed to inquire into the following : 1. la how far it
is requisite to continue the service of thirteen judges in
the Supreme Courts of Scotland, at the high salaries
lately conferred, which judges have vacations which pre-
clude their sitting during seven months of the year, thereby
enhancing enormously the cost of litigation, by restricting
their services to about five months out of tho twelve.
2. Whether thirty stipendiary county judges, which
judges nominate and appoint fifty-two stipendiary
deputy judges, making together eighty-two judges
paid out of the Exchequer, for administering justice
in the thirty-three counties into which Scotland is
divided, are really required for a population of about two
and a half millions; which population has borough courts
' in every town, awl justice of peace courts and quarter
sessions in every county, besides the ninety-five stipendiary
judges officiating in the supreme and county courts. 3
As to the best means of improving jury trial in Scotland.
4 As to the expediency of extending circuits by the
judges of the Supreme Court, who although thirteen
in number, hold circuit courts in nine towns only in
all Scotland. 5. As to the expediency of cir-
cuits being made by a certain number of the
thirty nearly sinecure Stipendiary County Judges, unhap-
pily still inflicted on Scotland. 6. As to the present prac-
tice in police, and similar summary convictions fur small
offences. 7. As to the present procedure in criminal cases
before the Court of Justiciary and Sheriff Courts.
8. Whether the law of Scotland requires or enjoins
the present irrational practice, in all Seotch Courts, of
conducting legal proceedings in writing, instead of viva voce.
Mr. FOX MAUL E did not agree with those resolu- '
tions, but he would promise his Hon. and Learned Friend
that all reasonable reforms in the administration of justice
in Scotland should be proceeded with.
The motion etas negatived without a division.

The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
:he House adjourned at Two o'Clock, until twelvethis day.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Avousa 5.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
sack at Five o'Clock.

The Bishop of LONDON presented petitions on the
subject of delivery of letters on the Lord's Day, the
Church in the Colonies, against the National System
of Education as proposed by the Privy Council, and as
to travelling on the Sabbath day.
LONDON AND BLACKWALL COMMER-
CIAL RAILWAY BILL.

Lord STUART DE ROTHSAY moved the Order
of the Day for the third reading, with amendments,
of the London and Black wall Commercial Railway Bill.

The Duke of WELLINGTON did not wish to
offer any opposition to the passing of this Bill, provided it
was the wish of the House to press it. At the same time
he did not think the Report of the Committee upon
the Bill was so full as it ought to be. on a measure of
so much importance as this was. Especially he com-
plained that there was no outlet from the railway to
the river, and he would put it to the Noble
Lord to postpone the third reading of this Bill till
to-morrow, on the ground that that might be enquired
into a little more.

The Marquis of CONYNGHAM had sat on the
Committee for fifteen days, and he could assure the
Noble Duke that from what had taken place he knew
the objection would be removed by a communication
being made in a very short time from the railway to the
river.

The Bishop of LONDON said he had objected to
the second reading of this Bill on the ground that it
would be an encouragement to travelling out of the city
of London on the Lord's day. He was informed that
that objection had been removed by the introduction of
a clause which prohibited travelling on Sundays, so far
as the extension of the line went, and therefore be
had no more to say against a public undertaking of
this description.

After a few words from the Earl of GLENGALL
it was agreed that the third reading should be postponed
till to-morrow.

Lord HATHERTON presented a petition from
Ireland against the Spirit Licensing system ; and also
several petitions praying the House to take into consi-
deration the law aff,•cting the Church in Scotland.
Lord LICHFIELD presented a petition praying
for the immediate adoption of a penny postage.
The Marquis of NORM ANBY laid on the table
certain returns.

The NOBLE MARQUIS then presented a petition
from Galway, praying that the petitioners might
not be excluded from Schedale A in the Muni.
cipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill now . before Par-
liament. This petition the Noble Marquis considered
justified his assertion made on a former occasion, that
the sentiments represented by some Noble Lords on
the opposite side of the House were not universally en-
tertained in Galway.
Lord FITZGERALD and VECI thought that
he had made no statement on this subject which was
not well founded.

Lord CH ARLEVILLE having looked at the peti-
tion, observed that there were no signatures on the
sheet on which the petition was written—that they had
been merely appended to it, and that, therefore, it
could not be received.
The Marquis of NORMANBY had only received
it this morning, and had not looked at it until he had
opened it to present it. He admitted the informality,
and withdrew the petition.
A Message from the House of Commons brought up
several Bills.
Lord DUNCANNON presented petitions from De-
von and Montrose, praying for a penny postage.
The NOBLE LORD laid on the table certain returns.

PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) BILL,
Lord GORT presented a petition from the farmers
and land-owner 3 of the .County of Limerick. on the
subject of the Public Works (Ireland) Bill.
Lord DUNCANNON moved the Order of the
Day for the second reading of the Bill. The first
object of the Bill was to extend an Act of last Ses-
sion, making 50,000/. granted last Session applicable
to the same purposes for which the first sum had been
granted. The next was to remedy certain technical
defects in a former Act of Parliament. And another
object was to give the power of compelling the payment
of instalments of money that had been advanced, and
which were due under the Cholera and other Acts,
but powers of compelling the re-payment of which had
expired.
After a few observations from the Marquis of West-
meath, Earl Wicklow, the Marquis of Lansdowne, and
Lord Fitzgerald and Vesey, the Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday.
Upon the motion of the Bi-ohop of LONDON, the
amendments of the House of Commons to the Ecele•
siastical Districts Bill were agreed to.
Lord HOLLAND, in answer to a question put by
Lord Lyndhurst, respecting a Committee that had been
appointed about three years ago, to inquire into certain
matters connected with the Duchy of Lancaster, said
that no Report had yet been made, but that there could
be no objection to the Report being laid on the table as
soon as it should be made.
CHARTISTS.

Lord WILTON desired to call the attention of the
Noble Viscount opposite, to certain proceedings that
had taken place at Stockport and Bolton by the Chart-
ists. In the former place there bad been large meetings
of those persons, and on the Sunday before last they
had actually forcibly taken possession of the parish
church, destroying the books and pews, and had re-
peated that outrage again yesterday, without, as far
as he was aware, any steps having been taken to
punish
the offenders. Again, at Bolton for several
days past the walls there had been covered with pla-
cards, one of which he held in his hand, signed by per-
sons of the names of Taylor and Hartwell, who called
themselves the Chairman and Secretary of the Society,
and with respect to whom nothing had been done
Part of the placard was to the following effect ;—" That
the Convention bad beard, with feelings of inexpressible
indignation, the statement 44id to have been made last
night in the House of Commons, by the Secretary of
State for the Home Department, relative to the neces-
sity and propriety of employing the metropolitan police
force, in various parts of the country, for the suppres-
sion of public meetings of the people peaceably con-
ducting themselves ; and the further statement of the
same Minister in reference to the bloody attack of the
police on the people of Birmingham And this Con-
vention was of opinion that wherever persons peaceably
assembled were so assailed, they sere justified by every
principle founded on the law of self-preservation.
in meeting force by force, even to the slaying of those
who were guilty of such atrocious assault's 00 the merit-
men; of their Convention." Now all that had been
done by Lord Jahn Russell was to write a letter to the
Magistrates, in which he advised that they should pro-
ceed against persons guilty of such pra.etiees as persons
guilty of a misdemeanour, whereas in his (Lord W's)
taken for the preservation of the public
judement some more active and energetie measures
ought to be
peace. He could p.ssure. the Noble Viscount that he
mentioned this with no feeling of :I;
n,estinty towards the
Noble Viscount or her Majesty's GoVernycent. lde
was going to M2nchester this very night, and if he could
assist in furnishing the Noble Viscount with any accu-