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London, England, 1839-07-30 00:00:00

BILL.

On the Order of the Day for the Committee upon this
Bill,
Sir B. HALL presented a petition from Marylebune
against it.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE then moved an instruction to
abolish the plurality of voting on the election of Guardians.
He hardly felt it necessary to sey a word in support of his
proposition. Gentlemen must be aware that the present
system had created general dissatsfaction throughout the
country. It was a mockery of representation professing
to give the rate-payers the franchise, but virtually dis-
franchising them. He knew cases in which individuals
held 60, 100, 300, nay, he had [ward of 700, proxies,
swanning thus the body of the rate-payers.—( Hear,
hear.) Nor was there any check upon this proxy voting,
and the clerks of unions, often returning officers, inte:
rested in keeping the guardians in power, resisted all
inquiry. He did not wish to prevent tho owner having
a vote, when be had any interest in the rating ;
bot
when he had granted a lease for twenty-one years, W.
possible interest of that kind could he have ?—(fica„'
hear)—and why should he have the power of giving six
or eight votes, swamping the tenant who really paid the
rates. The tenant, paying 2GO/. a year had one vote'
the owner, for 1501 a year six votes. An anomaly like
this surely ought not to exist. If the principle of plurality
of voting were good for anything, why not adopt it as to
elections for Members of Parliatient. He would
like to see the principle of Sir J. Hobhouse's Act car-
ried into general practice, for it had wo,~ked admirably.
All be wished to do was to place owners an'd rate-payers
on the same footing. Nothing would more tend to make
the Poor-law palatable to the people ; but if the House
still pet sisted in thrusting that measure down their throats,
and rejected this slight amelioration of its severity ~n in "Ain,
would the army be increased or the police augtneate''
the sonntry would never be governed by such a m•ockeri
of repres,:mtation.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. EW ART seconded the instruction, because
considered the existing system contrary to conical
sense, for the only principle on which the franchise coula
be granted was the fact of free agency. And could free'
agency be multiplied by increasing property.—(llcars
hear.) He objected to plurality of voting, moreover,
opposed to every constitutional principle, and every ancieo
precedent in our electoral practices.
Lord J. RUSSELL would not detain the House on till!
question. It was one which might properly be considered
on the general subject of the Amendment of the Poor LO'
It was one which the House might recollect had already
been fully discussed on the Sturges Bourne's AC?'
and on the Poor-law Act. There had been before tb
i!
instructions moved upon the present Bill alien from !ts
~
object, and he for one was not prepared to sanction t.nh
f
introduction of another tol;ie equally unconnected vvi,
this measure, which was only intended to continue tlw
Poor-law Commission.
Colonel WOOD said, on a fitting oppGrtunity he shoala
be willin to correct the abuses of proxies.
Lord BARRINGTON did not know any complaints
against the existing system.
The House divided, and the numbers were—
For the instruction

Against it llO
Majority .
General JOHNSON then moved an instructio
fen
andto!
prevent the improper separation of man from
parent from children in the Union Workhouses. the
proposition which, let it be observed, would not apply t
workhouses under ether Acts than' the New Poor Lavi",
and in which, nevertheless, the complained of separation;
took place.—( Hear, hear.) He supposed this was Part,
of the too prevalent system to cast every possible stigma
the New Poor-law. A big
Mr. WAKLEY said, often as be had expresso..
wi,
opposition to the New Poor-law, he should consider hi,
at
self disgraced were he not now frankly to declare tha•
the result of a careful examination and of some experienca
as a churchwarden in one of the argest metropolitao
districts, was, that the separations referred to were 1.111"
avoicable—( Hear, hear, hear)—and the parties theta;
selves would find it impossible to provide for them unlas
this separation did take place.—( Heat., hear.) to
General JOHNSON replied. He did not wan'', Acl
throw odium on the new Poor-law—God knew it
enough already—he wanted that the law shouid be in IV
cordance with the law of God.

The motion (by leave) was then withdrawn. so
Mr. DARBY did not think it was clear to the 1-I°ll4
what course it was intended should be pursued.. 14,.,e
clause ha
to propose, and so had the Noble Lord. Pin, it
was not discussing his clause fairly,for it was not known "lr;
ther if his clause were carried,theNoble Lord would aball't,-a
the It would be as well that the House should u-
awgre of what was the real intention of the Noble tiord'9o
Lord J. RUSSELL.—If the Bill were so altered he
that the principles of the Act were departed from, and .tdet
evils of the old law admitted again, he would consi
of
himself justified abandoning the Bill. If the clause ,
the Hon. Member were carried, he thought it would ba,/th
that effect, and therefore he would not proceed further
the Bill.law
Sir B. HALL said, in the last Report of the °°r",,,ers
Commisioners, it was proposed that all the voting Pard-ip
should be delivered by the Poor- law Union offi4ersf 511-
the
the Metropolitan parishes they should be deliiered bYotocl
constab!es of the Metropolitan police. He thOught it Ic6necl
be better and more beneficial that they should be c 0 lacy
to their own functions. The Bill was very unP°P-tbe
in many parishes and that unpopularity would attach t 0
police if they were so employ' d.

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retain
arid he
trusted
they would never part witte"ssary, although he regretted the necessity for its intro-
se Police should not interfere in the working of the Bill. The Royal Assent was given to-day, by Commission, to it. He cordially approved of the Bill and concurred in the I duction at so late a period of the Session. He should there-
, - General JOHNSON opposed the Bill as totally unne- the Assessed Taxes' Composition Bill, the Soap Duties' motion of the Noble and Learned Lord. fore give his vote for the second reading of the Bill ; but he
seeded c sisLs ao rryd. i
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ar tms ' Lord BR OUG HAM concurred in all that bad fallen did it upon. the understanding that Ministers would bring be-
ought to be well considered clueing the next Session. He ( Scotland) Bill, Pleadiegs in Courts' (India) Bill, Bills of from his Noble and Learned Friend, and could not concur fore Parliament in the next Session the general measure
moved that the Bill be committed that day three months. Exchange (No. 2) Bin, Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill, in what had fallen from his Noble Friend behind him-he that had been premised. With respect to the last clause
Mr. T. ATTWOOD seconded the amendment. Pontefract Honour Court (No.' 2) Bill,f the Aberford, could not regret the abolition of the system of nominees, in the Bill relative to the Deanery of Exeter, it was his
il
1 Sze., Small Debts (No. 2) Bill, the Glossop Small Debts for he did not like the system of having judges acting also firm belief that it would not answer the purposes for
agree to the amendment, for if the Bill were not pro- (No. 2) Bill, the Grantham Small Debts (No. 2) Bill, azorCdosuhnipsse,LandThheewpirsihneediptlheehyawdobueledngoboarrloit7tleedfafrrothmertlawnidr whTichheitßwisahsnpinntef nodexd.FOßD
supported
country, that the Poor-law Bill would not be renewed next Small Debts (No. 2) Bill, the Wra•rington Small Debts
i
year..
After a few words from an HON. MEMBER-
The gallery was cleared. The House divided, when
there appeared-
and For the motion
For the amendment
Majority ..
. . 177
26
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On our re-admission we found the House in Committee,
Mr. DUNCOMBE objecting to the Bill being con-
tinued beyond August 1840. (No. 2) Bill, the Liverpool Buildings Bill, the Ship
Propeller C.ompany Bill, the Marquis of Cholmondeley's
E's'iate Bill, Boulton's Estate Bill, Bligh's Estate Bill,
• and Tempter's Estate Bill,
The Commissioners were the Archbishop of Canterbury,
the Lord Chancellor, and the Earl of Shaftesbury.
The House then adjourned during pleasure.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the
Woolsack at five o'clock.
The Bishop of EXETER presented petitions from Sal-
ford and other places in favour of a penny postage. borrowL from them the principle upon which they legislated The Archbishop of CANTERBURY would support
the Bill.
in private business. He hoped there would be no difficulty the Bill, considering it essentially necessary. If the mea.
in making the Bill a law, sure met with the sanction of their Lordships, he should be
The Earl of WICKLOW had no doubt the Bill would saved the distress of presenting parties to two Sinecure
be a great improvement upon the old system, but why did Rectories.
not the Government take measures for amending the The Bishop of CHICHESTER supported the Bill.
system of registration ? They had premised that they The Bishop of LINCOLN most cordially supported
would, but had neglected a high duty, for what he thought the second reading.
was their own selfish, and therefore unworthy, motives.
The Bill was then read a third time, and passed.
COPT ENFRANCHISEMENT BILL. The Bill was then read a second time without a division.
CANADA.
The Marquis of NORMANBY moved that the Re-
owl BROUGHAM then rose to call their Lordships port on the Lower Canada Bill be received. The
attention to another Bill which had been drawn with as Noble Marquis said he understood it was wished that
Mr. HUME inquired whether it was the intention of
the Government to bring in a Bill on the subject next
year ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was certainly the intention
of the Government to do so.
Mr. WAKLEY thought that was a conclusive argu- Several Bills on the table were forwarded a stage:
The Ea
penny poStralgoef. FITZ WILLIAM presented a petition o,
A message from the Commons brought up
.the. Miliftiar
Ballot Suspension Bill, the River Shannon Navigation Im.
P c ent Bill and others.
meat for either not proceeding with the present Bill, or, •r /' '
at all events., not extending it beyond 1840.
After a few words from Lord G. Somerset, Sir T. Free-
mantle, Mr. Freshfield, and Sir W. James,
Sir R. PE EL said the Commission would endure un-
til the end of the Session after the 14th August,
1839, being the expiry after the five years from
the passing of the Act. They had not had time
to fully consider the measure. He thought intro-. 6 CHARTISTS.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was induced to
put a question to the Noble Viscount opposite. Ten
days ago he had stated that at Newcastle, Stockton- much. attention, and in as clear a manner as the Bill some slight alteration should be made in the clause re-
which they had just passed. It emanated from a Commis_ Latin to the taxation, and he now proposed that the
sion of Inquiry appointed by his Noble and Learned levying and the collection of the taxation should be left
Friend, when he held the Seals, and had passed almost to the Special Council.
unanimously in the other House of Parliament. The Lord ELLENBOROUGH said the objection was to
law, as it at present existed, ought to be altered, as its more than the latter part of the clause. The objection
present provisions had created great complexity and much taken by his Noble and Learned Friend; who was at this
inconvenience. The fines that were paid upon admittances moment absent from the House, was that he did not
were subjects of great grievance and much inconvenience. know to what extent they were delegating this power of
It had been thought at first that it would be better to aegis- taxation ; and it was expected the Noble Marquis would
upon-Tees, and other places it that ncighbourheod, late universally upon this subject, but that project upon have been prepared to have stated to-night to what ex-
there was a great probability of disturbances, examination, was found to be wild and hopeless.-(Hear, tent and for what purposes this taxation was to be levied.
as_. large_ assemblages of pitmen and others had taken place.
ince that time. the rt s
.h d gone down amongst
them, and occasioned very serious alarm. He had re- hear.) The object of the present measure was to give The Duke of WELLINGTON had no objection to
power to the Tithe Commissioners to act as Commissioners taxation for the objects of improvement, referred to in:the
on the enfranchisement of copyheidcrs. He thought that dispatch of the Governor, and in the reports of the Coun.
dicing a clause making relief dependent upon the
coved a letter from a gentleman. of great respectability in such an enactment was calculated to be productive of the oil. All that had been looked to had been the levying of
time of a person's marriage--( Hear, hear)-would be
introducing a bad principle, and one which he could not
support.-( Cheers. )
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was only proposed to that neighbourhood, which stated that the Chartists best effects, and would produce the most favourable results, taxes for the purpose of the local Government. It was
had organized largo bodies of persons-that they He had endeavoured to show the grounds of the necessity very desirable this Act of Parliament, and these powers
keepers_anPel butcherys, but others, and'were offering Chartist be secured by it, and he begged to move that it be read a these circumstances he earnestly recommended that a few
continue the Bill for a year, and he was glad to hear the
tickets for sale under pretence that those tickets would be second time. words at the end of the clause be introduced, to state to
Right Hon. Baronet express his opinion on the subject of
ion to the holders of them. Those who were The LORD CHANCELLOR put the question, and what objects this taxation, should not be extended.
relief dependent on marriages since the passing of the
faouPnrod without them were threatened to be shot, declared the contents to have it. The Marquis of NORMANBY said that before the
Poor-law Amendment Act.
and arming evith pikes and other deadly weapons Lord L YNDHURST wished to know whether his third reading was moved, he would introduce a clause
After a few observations from Mr. HALFORD and Mr.
was a very common practice. This gentleman had Noble and Learned Friend meant to persevere with the framed, to meet the views of the Noble Duke.
HODoSoN,
himself purchased a pike from a blacksmith there for 25., Bill this Session, as he knew that several Lords who took The Report was then received.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House
which was a most formidable weapon. Appehensive of a a great interest in it were at this time absent? SLAVE TRADE (PORTUGAL) BILL.
divided. The numbers were-
disturbance at Stockton_upon_Tees the Magistrates Lord BROUGHAM said that none of their Lordships The Earl of MINTO moved the second reading of the
Ayes
had made application for troops ten days ago. That who were lords of the manor could have any interest against Bill, but on the suggestion of the Duke of Wellington,
Noes 42
Majority -68 application had been sent to the officer command- it. He would answer the question of his Noble Friend postponed it till Thursday.
ing the troops ps at Newcastle, who had refused
tomorrow;
and in the mean time he should take no ad- Several other Bills were forwarded a stage, and their I
The clause as amended was carried.
to send them, unless barracks were found for their vantage from the second reading. Lordships adjourned at ten o'clock.
On our returning to the Gallery we found
accommodation. Under these circumstances he (the. The LORD CHANCELLOR hoped there would be ....-.aeee..,.........-................
Mr. DARBY on his legs defending the clause (as
Noble Marquis) wished to know whether the Noble Vis- no objection to the further progress of the Bill, as it was CORONATION EXPENSES.
we understood) he bad on a former day proposed, giving
count intended to adopt any further means for the pro- much required.
Power to the Poor-law Guardians to afford out-door re-
f
tection of the• country beyond raising the 5,000 men now Lord BROUGHAM knew that a great many building A RETURN, under separate Heads, of the manner in '
lief in certain cases which he contended would have re-stateidd to bed necessary ?He hoped the Noble Viscount speculations were suspended until this Bill was passed. which 69,421/. was paid for her MAJESTY'S CORO- `
moved a very great anomaly that at present existed in the
having
consider the propriety of arming the yeomanry, or Lord REDESDALE believed that it was almost uni-
Act, because parties who were married before the passing
NATION; stating the amount •d in each depart_ I
ving.recourse to some additional assistance, because he versally understood that this Bill would only be read a
meat of the Royal Household, separatePul from the Ex- t
of the New Poor-law Act ought not to be deprived of
was quite sure that if the working classes were to unite second time, then carried no further for the presentl
of relief, otherwise the Act would operate as an ex post
with the Chartists in the North of England, there was no Session, peones of Buildings and Materials, facto law.
Lord Chamberlain's Department
£14,024 12 6 j
force in that part of the country which could possibly pre- Lord BROUG HAM believed that upon every occasion
Lord J. RUSSELL wished to know if the Hon.
9,800 0 0 d
serve the peace.
upon which this subject had been treated, the understand-
Member intended to press his clause.
Lord MELBOURNE said that it was not intended to ing was quite the other way. 3,163 12 6 h
Mr. DARBY would not do so, as the Noble Lord said
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take any measure beyond those now before Parliament, The Duke of WELLINGTON certainly considered
he would not go on with the Bill if it was carried; and he
for the present. At the same time, if any extra measures that it was not intended to pass this Bill this Session, Heralds' Fees
307 0 0 'l,l
se.ould not lay himself open to this imputation, although he
should become necessary, of course they would be adopted, otherwise he should have divided the House upon the Master of the Mint, for Gold end Silver
I
wished something to be proposed.
The Noble Marquis had accused him, and also hia worthy second reading. Medals
Lord J. RUSS E LL said that when the motion of the
colleague, but for what, he had not distinctly stated. Lord LYNDHURST said that he had distinctly said Commissioners of Woods,
SE
. objection.
Ili". Member was carried, he stated his to it.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY.-For not send- not " content" to the question that the Bill be read a second &c, Expenses °flitting
B
-seat clause, however objectionable it miget be, did stand •
ing troops when they were required. time, and he must have a distinct understanding as to how up Westminster Abbey,
at
upon the special reasons which had been stated by the
Lord MELBOURNE said that when any district re- the question now stood. &c. £30,213 2 10
lit
who
Member, It certainly was a hardship that labourers . ,
Expenses. of
.Illuminating 31,037 19 4
quireu troops, nothing was more common than that they Lord FALMOUTH said it was not only Lords of
lil
wn° had married on the expectation that the law
Public Buildings
should be called upon to provide accommodation for such , Manors but copyholders, who were interested in this
„.
should continue in its former state, should not re-
troops.
measure. Fireworks
eeive the relief formerly given.-( Hear, hear.) He
Opening Theatres, and other Amusements 3,110 0 0
wl
Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from the Lord BROUGHAM said that no lord of the manor
therefore thought it right to move a clause which would
Clergy of Bangor against the Church Discipline Bill. could be bound by the Bill without his consent. He had
tic
so far give relief that it would allow the Guardians of
Total 69,421 1 10
The Duke of WELLINGTON quite agreed with the only to say no, and nothing could be done.
an
the poor to take the children of labourers into the work -
Noble Viscount, that when troops were required in any Lord HATHE RTON considered such a law as F. BARING.
m,
house, where they were married before the passing of the
part of the country it was quite necessary provision should this Bill proposed to be essentially required, and
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Act. re •
e his certainly was a species of out-door relief, but Treasury Chambers, July 18, 1839.
it
be made for lodging' those troops; and they had a fair the country would feel indebted to his Noble and Learned
was the least objectionable, and one which the Com- . Missioners were at one time disposed to grant, claim to be provided for in that way, because that part of Friend for the trouble he had taken with, and the ability THE MARKETS.-(YESTERDA Y.) of
the country wns relieved in that way from their being he had brought to, this Bill.
..--___
. Sir T. FREMANTLE thought the clause did not go
Fe
sar
billeted upon 'them when they were there for their pre- The LORD CHANCELLOR declared that he had PRICE OF BREAD.
ft, enough in respect to reliefgranted to widows, and ...ere
nervation.
not heard any one say "not content." The highest price of Bread in the Metropolis is 10d. for the 41b. ha
wi
fore proposed to omit the words with respect to
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was of opinion Lord LYNDHURST said the whole of this confusion Loaf. Good Bread may be had at Bd,
dil
tWt.i (kW; "who
PRICES OF SEEDS.-.Tnly '2O.
that in that way oc viewing it it was the bounden duty of the might be put an end to if it were to be considered that the
the
14th August,
.1834," and to insert words to the effect
Per Cwt. the
) .kin,s.t the case of widows should be left to the discretion of Government to inform the Magistrates that it was necessary Bill had been read a second time, and his Noble and New English Hee cierer...eos. Ns. St. PoinPer Quarter.4os. 44s 48, th(
for them to find. accommodation for the troops ; and then the Learned Friend were to move that the Bill be committed. l'illedwatto Ditto s -a. -s. Rye Grass etc 355. 40s.
", - Board of Guardians, without any restriction.
tie
v,.Lord HOWICK said there had been no instance in question would be, who was to pay for it ? He believed Lord BROUGHAM said he had no objection to take oid- e .. acseU,r;b" f din -471:., 40s,its 45,,ti s
:Acts widows with tar families had been compelled
ge to that in Ireland formerly the Board of Ordnance provided that course, and therefore he should move at once that Nei: White Clover sos. 60s. 70s. Ditto, for sorwit'eng g -s. 58s. nn; x,for,
Siotrtoeigi;iitltloitto 6os. 70*. go:,
Old Ditto Ditto s. -s. -s. Ditto, for crushing...-s. 433. 508. -L"
CI? into Unions to obtain relief. If this plan should be for the troops when required in this way. the Bill be committed.
New Trefoil l7. 20s. 245. Canary s 90s. 98s.
It aoloy,rte_d, it would be a return to the allowance system. The Duke ref WELLINGTON said that what the No. Lord LYNDHURST then said he should endeavour old D:tto s 12s °`,s Hemp -s. 38s. 425. by
ble Marquis last referred to was a particular case, which to negative that motion. Trefoliiiin 10s. I Is. 13s, Per Bushel.
~L_''' P. FREMANTLE then proposed the omission of
English Carraway --s. 48s. 525. White Mustard Ils Ced. 15s. f/d. sea
: 1 le,7rords which he had mentioned. did not apply to the present. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. Upon our Foreign Ditto
11 °.• R. PEEL said the effect of the clause would be not Upon the. motion of Lord ELLE NBOR OUG H the readmission we found that the numbers were- Coriander -s Po
s. 255. Tares ..... . ... N...... 4s. dd. bs. Od •
.to i'elax the Act, but to make it more stringent. Mr. BRISCOE wished the whole of the Poor-law to
i
undergo discussion. Timber Sh'ips Bill was read a third time, and passed.' Contents 98
Lord S TRANGFORD presented a petition from the
merchants of Liverpool against the Inland Warehouse Non-Contents 39
Majority against the committal of the Bill-11 Rapeseed, Erigliih One (per Last) 351. 381. s Foreign 34/. 361,
PRICES OF HOPS.-July 29. Jut
Farnham Pockets (per cwt.) 6l Os. 74 Iss. to 101. Os. row
East Kont Pockets
.. 4l les. Si. 15s. to 81. Bel. het
Mr. WAKLEY said, if destitution were to be the test Lord LYNDHURST said that be agreed with the Ditto Bags 4l. 4s, 51. 10s. to 71. 10s.
14 of relief, Bill. This was a Bill involving interests of great ma ni-
chs
Mid Kent Pockets 3/. 15s. 5/. ss. to 8r f'..
why not relieve a destitute man with children, as tude, and he would suggest to the Noble Viscount oppositeg Noble and Learned Lord (Brougham) in the principle of
Yearlings
Ditto Bags ' 3/. 10s. 41. 10s. to 74 7s. tics
well as a destitute woman with children ?He trusted the the Bill, but not its the details, and that be should. next Sussex 'V Os. 31. 151. to 4'. 10s.
whether it would not be advisable to withdraw the Bill for
Ca
Noble Lord would pause ere be pressed this clause. Let the present Session that it might be brought forward 21. lOs. 3/. 3s. to 4/. 4,,,
Session be happy to assist his Learned Friend in bringing
Old Olds
him delay it even for •
_ ,it would workit
innoatforward a measure that would not be objected to either
mischiefs, for the guard'
a night •
guardians would act uponat an earlier period in the course of next Session. It was
principle or detail.
Old Duty estimated at 200,0004 oat
the results of whichthis a Bill not urgent in its nature. It was called for by the
COAL MARKET.-July 25. tort
House mannerin
voice of the country, nor indeed by any voice except by IRISH M UNICIPAL CORPORATION BILL.
s. d.
s• d' and
Sir T. ACLAND u would deplore.
Lord MELBOURNE, at the request of Lord Lynd- Adair's ............... .... ........ IS 9 Walls End Pemberton ...... 19 9
of the P nderstood it to be certain sweet voices at Manchester.
ea 6 Walls End Russell's Hetton 22 9 the
Poor-law Bill that the bl the main object '
R,OUGHAM • 1 agreed . what hdf 11
Lord B. • entire y in a aen ~ .
burst, postponed from to-morrow till Friday next the con- riuert;i!,7,,,atln
Alain
Chose tO accept compulsor a erbodied labourer, if he
si eration of this Bill, the Noble and Learned Lord Holywell Main 2O 6 Walls r'nd Whitwell
should have it in a prescrib cl re ref from the parish, had just sat down. The ob- u
from his Noble Friend who ,
•
e manner, calculated ction he had raised the other day as to time peculiarly
/8 0 Walls End Barrington Tees i 9 6 the
vent too great a demand. But though feelin t' to pre-
jep
1. dto this Bill. He should not enter further into hand in print this day, he should not have time to consider panto Winudgso'r .........
sity of maintaining that object, he did not thinkg itn toe
thisaPideiscussion P..s the Bill stood for a second readin to- them before Friday next. Picton l7 61Walls End Gordon 2O 9 •
enti
s ob-g
Tanfield Moor en 0' Walls Lod Seymour Tees... 20 9
.ectionabl
METROPOLITAN POLICE BILL.
.I_,
.0 eto give to Guardians the power of relieving morrow, nem should he have said even so much just now
Townley lB 0 Walls End Tees
wlcl Ix ' 9 with families out of the workhouse. H exc t - he hadpetition • to him
ep t ,ata coming from a Their Lordships then went into Committee on this Bill. Wylam.
e trusted
that the eff t fP
Lord ELLENBOROUGH complained that in the walls k--: t Brown's l9 0 Walls End Tees Hetton .... 19 6
labourer ec 0 the oor-law would be to throw both most res pectable body of mercantile men at Hull against
ss alls Endl( (trace
Bill there were materials is sufficient for four Bills all placed
rat and employer on their own resources, and thus the Bill, but which, he was informed, could not reach
Walls End Gosforth 2l 0 Blythe ...... ........... .17 3 dist
'a the condition of both.-(Questi from 11 him till Wednesday. This Bill had been brought
into together. The twenty-three first clauses related to im- Walls rod Heaton .. 20 9 Bampton lB 6
On, Ir. War-
-19 0 mig
urton.) H .
provements in the police force; the next fourteen clauses 'Zr`alli!ss Mil Tie",,,..-rr.e'ir.ib.... V `? (t'grreyn..
Hon,
__ern. He was sorry to excite the impatience of the the other House of Parliament on the 16th of July, after
. 20 o Con
M. b s but would give him the advantage of his his Noble Friend on his left hand (Lord Melbourne) had were amendments of the Thames Act, which was repealed; Walls EndßrasldylPsiletton 22 9 Howard's Netherton Main 18 9 con
later.suption, which he fairly owned had quite put him requested him to withdraw his Bill on education because afterwards there were about seventy of which the Walls End Ha.well
t •Ilt- -
Wails End Lambton •.......... 23 0 Walls End Devonshire l9 6 law
(Laughter, and Hear, hear)-and he would say 120
it was too late; and, under such circumstances, he should first thirty-seven related to different points, clauses,id then came Walls-End Lyons 2l 6
cote
a nor e. -..( Hear, hear.) certainly ask their Lordships to assist him in applying the several clauses constituting different offences, all of ahich - „
.seips arrived since last market-day, 130.
pies
',era J. RUSSELL had stated all the reasons he could principle of " too late" to this Bill to-morrow evening, by were cognizable within the Metropolitan Police district,
COUNTRY CORN MARKETS. lead
tl4 with him in throwing it
out. but eight or nine of these offences were made general.
_________ opin
~, : other night against the clause, but by the vote of the Joining Lord LYNDHURST. said he had several petitions to
whatAmorigst the latter were some of great importance.,
.and 1 ‘Vheat. Barley. Oats. ' Beans. '
------
------
----1.-- I Pease. who
H' ruse, he was driven to put a notice on the paper, and -
. present against the passing of this Bill. he complained of was, that although these provisions
no .wing done so he could not agree to withdraw it.
Lord MELBOURNE said the why he had were extremely good ones they ought to have constituted Per Quarter. s. to 8. Is.tos.s. to s s ---- fOl.lll to s. s. s, reason . , . Boston ......... 64 71 515 3S 21 2ii ..
Mr. WARBURTON-Then I hope the House will asked his Noble and Learned Friend to withdraw his a different measure, because there was no person without , •
Gamshorough. - 7i - 27 41 42 - - open
di ,vide against the Noble Lord.
the limit of the metropolitan district who could have the Grantham .... 70 '74 .43 -•.3 -28 '2B - 41' - - not :
Education Bill, was not solely because of the lateness of
Lord TEIGNMOUTH hoped the Noble Lord would 0
Grimsby ....... 70 73 3 43
00 '3l :33
4.6
- th •
the Session, but because it was a most important and least knowledge of them. There were several clauses of Horricastle ... 18 71 0
1,) •,-,- 28 39 40 36 33 eit
so ithdraw his clause, and allow the whole discussion to be difficult Bill. He had never asked the•r
i .Lordships to pass rather a curiouslind. By the 54th clause, on rho first
~ e - - guag
ta ken next Session. The vote in favour of his Hon.
Monday after . passing ofthis
Bill late •
a at a period of the Session, which really required -
and ,
Fr (end's motion (Mr. Darby's) was a sort of politically much • • • - fr•bStamfordl cs 42 - 33 - 21 - 40 - 7.
procee a,ainet any person or puling a Who any church, York ....... 1 '-- '` 33 4 ) 26 .10 40 41 _ - ende
consideration. But if a Bill was pretty well agreed
di:: . 'ionest vote, because it was known to be an impracti-
because it prohibited the use of any noisy instrument to ........ tO 70 26 34 24 26 a:2 41 .- -- mod(
upon, he could not see that there could be any reason for
_________
cat's le one.
call persons together.-(Laughter.) There was another
estab
of the S •
delaying it on account of the lateness
SCOTCH 'MARKETS.
i Vr. delaying denied that there was any thing politi- With d his*- *
Bill it was unquestionably late in the
rem to t , . effect which the clause would have which he should regret, for tl
call y dishonest in his bringing forward his clause, but he Session-it was a Bill of very great importance, and their it would prevent the joyful sound which called children Wheat. Barley. Oats. Beans. Oatmeal. count
did'
,
so because of his close watchine of the working of Lordship; •
would dispose of it as they saw fit, when It Aberdeen ... 70 to - -------- -
,5 32 to li ',3 to 23 -to - 46 to 48 saner
the 1; isv last year, which made him think it necessary
It, however, might be rather difficult to construct a clause 'it ;',livsitcrie`L••••• 42 52 ,7 3 . .)s 30 47 50 was
Coldstream , 52 55 - .0 -1 -J 30 . _
came before them for further consideration.
MI a WARBURTON hoped the Noble Lord w.ould
so as to save Punch and the Church bells. There was cu par (Fife) 48 • 2l '26 17 18 - 30 •-•- it WE
Lord BROUGHAM said there could be no doubt that if
5, !;1 126 31 18 22 22 26 - -
Steed rl to the wishes of both sides of the House, and
clause whichwork inconvenientlyin Dunbar
another
31 37 30 3;) 40 40 40 42 mess
a Bill was agreed upon, and clear and distinct in its clauses
El ' gin
Inverness 6!IS 70 36 3, ;'8 35 03 so
..,,, _ alle
withd raw the clause.
the case of lone debates in this House • for if any Noble
and nature, there could be no reason why it should not be Lord . ° • •, . . _
33 g
32
,Th a was cleared for a division, but none took
wished to drive another home in his carriage, he Kelso .... ,46 51, 2, •;ri 2,7, ~ • - - cocas
Ditiee. 0 gallery
passisid even at a late part of the Session.
Kirkaldy - - .
his . n our entering, we found Mr. A GLIONBY on
Earl FITZWIL LIAM thought that •
as this was an im-
• would have to ask leave of his coachman to do so, or be Perth
n ,72 31 20 23 45 48 43 . Wine
j:)! .1 cgs, supporting the clause amidst loud cries of portant Bill. even if it, should -
not be passed this Session, (table' to a penalty of 55.-( Great laughter.) Clause 61 g.,. The size °of the '''' measur varies 2 29. 22 25 .- Burin
e throughout the country. had r
',,.vid e divide.
provided that it should be lawful for any constable to de- HADDINGEON CORN
there could be ground shown why, at any rate, it should
rabid Wheat, . MARKET.-July 26.
had I
'it' . PAKINGTON was one of those who had
voted
s:roy• any dog reasonably suspected of being in a
..+4, ~,,' Barley. Oats, Pease. Beans,
Withriot be discussed before the House rose.
Frst
fir„ ,-„ 45$ ad 39, 61 46s 0.1 -s Od milil;
the Hon. Member for Sussex, but he was perfectly
state, but this power was restricted to within fifteen miles Second
satisf • with Lord LYNDHURST' su„eeested that tbe further con- u, 4f sod .34.
• 9d 423 Od -s Od and
, led the clause now proposed by the Noble Lord. • •
of Charing-cross; so that without that range hydrophobia Third
h t'' ord JOHN RUSSELL said the clause as he pro- sideration of the Bill should postponed till the next
Session of Parliament, in consequence of many Noble might prevail to any extent. Perhaps any material amend- Average,,,,, ................ 34 5..10.1, -12th. folly
Pi3se d it, would stand thus : That any able bodied labourer
merits at this late period of the Session might endanger DALKEITH CORN MARKET,-July 25 cop]
Lords having left town. They ought to know the nature Wheat. Barley Oats, Pease.. Beans, P isgi
1114 r ried before the 14th of August 1834, having more 4' the
se. Bill in order to have the opportunity of considering s
the Bill, and he should therefore leave it in their Lord- First 74; ocl 4s ed. 35* Sd 46s Sit 46s m -
, a a four children, and being unable to maintain such
second
never
hips' hands in its present state. 66; 03 40. C 4 32s 6d 45. Od 45s Od
Third 42s Od os.
• -is Od 251 4d 43s Od 436 Od persu
cai ldren Q . , that it shall, and may be lawful for the it next Session,
Lord DUNCANNON laid on the table a copy of the Lord DUNCANNON said, there was hardly any one
EDINBURGH
th: iardians of Unions to take one or more children into
COltN MARKET.-July 24, he he
of the enactments alluded to which had not been taken we had large supply
memorials resen•ted in 1835
of all kinds of Grain to-day, and thesales be be
workhouse, and that it shall and may be lawful for the •
Q.
ing for the remission of sentences.different Acts. With respect to those clauses were rather dull.
from Police ' • -
feel tl
aardians of any Union to afford relief to any widow left
Wheat. I Barley. Oats. Pease. Beans.
which were general, if it should be the wish of the House,
wi
ELECTION PETITIONS TRIAL BILL. First ,3s• ski, ' 43s Od 40s. 4d 468 Od. 4(ii ad, from
tat one or more children under the age of seven years.
words might be introduced to confine them to the metro- Second O5 0190 0 as o • 44 . 0 44 a
Sir T. FREE MANTLE moved the omission of the Lord LYNDHURST, in movine the Order of th i• :- • I Third 53 0 SS 0 30 0 42 0 42 11 proce
"fi ir
c pootan districts.
'ids " 14th of August, 1834." Day for the third reading of the Election Petitions Tri I
a The Earl of WICKLOW did not think it was necessary Average price of Wheat... .......... .....31. is. 24, be en
e.
.Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House Bill, wished to state what were the general objects and ►se e..:1-- ---- si ' ' •
dal . 'Wed. The numbers were_

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was induced to
put a question to the Noble Viscount opposite. Ten
days ago he had stated that at Newcastle, Stockton-
upon-Tees, and other places in that neighbourhood,
there was a great probability of disturbances,
as large assemblages of pitmen and others had taken place.
Since that time the Chartists had gone down amongst
them, and occasioned very serious alarm. He had re-
ceived a letter from a gentleman of great respectability in
that neighbourhood, which stated that the Chartists
had organized largo bodies of persons—that they
were adopting a system of exaction, not only from shop-
keepers and butchers, but others, and were offering Chartist
tickets for sale under pretence that those tickets would be
a protection to the holders of them. Those who were
found without them were threatened to be shot,
and arming with pikes and other deadly weapons
was a very common practice. This gentleman had
himself purchased a pike from a blacksmith there for 25.,
which was a most formidable weapon. Appehensive of a
disturbance at Stockton-upon-Tees the Magistrates
had made application for troops ten days ago. That
application had been sent to the officer command-
ing the troops at Newcastle, who had refused
to send them, unless barracks were found for their
accommodation. Under these circumstances he (the
Noble Marquis) wished to know whether the Noble Vis-
count intended to adopt any further means for the pro-
tection of-the country beyond raising the 5,000 men now
stated to be necessary? He hoped the Noble Viscount
would consider the propriety of arming the yeomanry, or
having recourse to some additional assistance, because he
was quite sure that if the working classes were to unite
with the Chartists in. the North of England, there was no
force in that part of the country which could possibly pre-
serve the peace.
Lord MELBOURNE said that it was not intended to
take any measure beyond those now before Parliament,
for the present. At the same time, if any extra measures
should become necessary, of course they would be adopted.
The Noble Marquis had accused him, and also his worthy
colleague, but for what, he had not distinctly stated.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY.—For not send-
ing troops when they were required.
Lord MELBOURNE said that when any district re-
quired troops, nothing was more common than that they
should be called upon to provide accommodation for such
troops.
Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from the
Clergy of Bangor against the Church Discipline Bill.
The Duke of WELLINGTON quite agreed with the
Noble Viscount, that when troops were required in any
part of the country, it was quite necessary provision should
be made for lodging those troops; and they had a fair
claim to be prov'.ded for in that way, because that part of
the country was relieved in that way from their being
billeted upon 'them when they were there for their pre-
servation.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was of opinion
that in that way oc viewing it it was the bounden duty of the
Government to inform the Magistrates that it was necessary
for them to find. accommodation for the troops ; and then the
question would be, who was to pay for it ? He believed
that in Ireland. formerly the Board of Ordnance provided
for the troops when required in this way.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said that what the No-
ble Marquis last referred to was a particular case, which
did not apply to the present.
Upon the. motion of Lord ELLENBOROUGH, the
Timber Sh'Aps Bill was read a third time, and passed.
Lord S TRANGFORD presented a petition from the
merchar.ts of Liverpool against the Inland Warehouse
Bill. This was a Bill involving interests of great magni-
tude, and he would suggest to the Noble Viscount opposite
whether it would not be advisable to withdraw the Bill for
the present Session that it might be brought forward
at an earlier period in the course of next Session. It was
a Bill not urgent in its nature. It was called for by the
voice of the country, nor indeed by any voice except by
certain sweet voices at Manchester.
Lord WR,OUGH AM entirely agreed in what had fallen
from his Noble Friend who had just sat down. The ob-
jection he had raised the other day as to time peculiarly
applied to this Bill. He should not enter further into
this discusstou as the Bill stood for a second reading to-
morrow, nc,r should he have said even so much just now
except that he had a petition coming to him from a
most respectable body of mercantile men at Hull against
the BP.', but which, he was informed, could not reach
him till Wednesday. This Bill had been brought into
the other House of Parliament on the 16th of July, after
his Noble Friend on his left hand (Lord Melbourne) had
requested him to withdraw his Bill on education because
it was too late; and, under such circumstances, he should
certainly ask their Lordships to assist him in applying the
principle of " too late" to this Bill to.morrow evening, by
joining with him in throwing it out.
Lord LYNDHURST said he bad several petitions to
present against the passing of this Bill.
Lord MELBOURNE said the reason why he had
asked his Noble and Learned Friend to withdraw his
Education Bill, was not solely because of the lateness of
the Session, but because it was a moat important and
difficult Bill. He had never asked their Lordships to pass
a Bill at a late period of the Session, which really required
much consideration. But if a Bill was pretty well agreed
upon, he could not see that there could be any reason for
delaying it on account of the lateness of the Session.
With regard to this Bill, it was unquestionably late in the
Session—it was a Bill of very great importance, and their
Lordships would dispose of it as they saw fit, when it
came before them for further consideration.
Lord B R 0 UG H A NI said there could be no doubt that if
a Bill was agreed upon, and clear and distinct in its clauses
and nature, there could be no reason why it should not be
passed even at a late part of the Session.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM thought that as this was an im-
portant Bill; even if it, should not be passed this Session,
there could be ground shown why, at any rate, it should
riot be discussed before the House rose.
Lord LYNDHURST' suggested that the further con-
sideration of the Bill should be postponed till the next
Session of Parliament, in consequence of many Noble
Lords having left town. They ought to know the nature
of the Bill in order to have the opportunity of considering
it next Session.
Lord DUNCANNON laid on the table a copy of the
memorials presented in 1835, 1836, 1837, and 1838, pray.
ing for the remission of sentences.
ELECTION PETITIONS TRIAL BILL.
Lord LYNDHURST, in moving the Order of the
Day for the third reading of the Election Petitions Trial
Bill, wished to state what were the general objects and
provisions of this measure. It was an object of great in-
terests and importance, because it related to the composi-
tion of the tribunals which were to decide on the validity
of the election of Members in the other House of Parlia-
ment. He regretted the necessity for any change in the
law on this subject, but; the necessity was admitted on
all hands, and the question was how the law could be ren-
dered most effectual. Previous to the passing of the
Grenville Act the evils were most enormous. Lord Gren-
ville stated them with great eloquence and force ; they
were admitted, but the Bill was opposed by the Minister
of the day ; it ultimately, however, passed by a large ma-
jority, and received the sanction of this House of Parlia-
ment also. That Act was found to have effected all the
objects expected from it—an immediate change took place
in the decisions on controverted elections, and those persons
who had been opposed to the Bill became strong advocates in
favour of the measure, and amongst them Mr. Fox. That
Bill, up to the year 1831, the time of the passing of the
Reform Bill, operated in a manner generally satisfactory,
the decisions generally being approved of by the ether
House of Parliament. Since that time the decisions had
been based upon party feelings and party spirit, and both
parties in the other House at last said it had become neces-
sary to apply a remedy. One cause might be because
after that period the House was constituted of different
materials; that, however, was a delicate point, and he
would not further pursue it. Another cause might be
that, previously to the passing of the Reform Bill, there
was in the House of Commons a large body of indepen-
dent Members— independent of the Minister yet not
in opposition to the Government—they formed a consi-
derable portion of the House, and weae in like manner
and according to their number represented in Committee.
The parties of course struck off all those who were their
party opponents, and then these independent gentlemen
were left to prevent any party decisions. Another, and a
most important cause was, that parties were now nearly
equally divided, and one vote gained formed a party tri.
umph. The House of Commons had determined that they
alone should have the power of trying controverted elec-
tions : they had a right to say so ; it was their ancient and
inherent privilege, even as their Lordships allowed no
other body to interfere in disputed titles. After detailing
the manner in which the Committee were to be appointed
under the Bill, he said it had met with the entire concurrence
of the other House of Parliament, and hoped it would meet
with that of their Lordships. He had performed the duty
he had undertaken, and would move that the Bill be read a
third time.
Lord WROTTESLE Y said the Noble and Learned
Lord had stated his case with his usual perspicuity, but he
could not agree with him that the failure of the Grenville
Act was attributable to the passing of the Reform Bill ;
been altered,thatßiil hadr much to answer for, but certainly not that,
for their Lordships
dsehripams weaedreeda,waaareitthwaatstshaeid G,
hryenAvlilrl.e
\aa
Act had
Act, by which the two nominees, who were generally the
mweorset intelligent of the Members of the House of Commons,
sv:istthoble:
h also in the striking generally con-
trived
to have one Gentleman with sem:brains left upon
the Caaomsmaeihtte thetlleyoffice
of Chairman, but Counsel
struck all, so that they might
have a Chairman who would be easily
zeal they showed for their clie n s I in(
pries rs ie eds eopf e ‘ll‘ byH theear,
hear.") He thought the House.—of Commons had
done perfectly right in
retaining the powers of
trying contested elections—it was a privilege
which they

Majority
The clause as amended was carried.
On our returning to the Gallery we found
Mr. DARBY on his legs defending the clause (as
we understood) he had on a former day proposed, giving
Power to the Poor-law Guardians to afford out-door re-
lief in certain cases which he contended would have re-
moved a very great anomaly that at present existed in the
Act, because parties who were married before the passing
of the New Poor-law Act ought not to be deprived of
of relief, otherwise the Act would operate as an ex post
facto law.
Lord J. RUSSELL wished to know if the Hon.
Member intended to press his clause.
Mr. DARBY would not do so, as the Noble Lord said
he would not go on with the Bill if it was carried; and he
would not lay himself open to this imputation, although he
wished something to be proposed.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that when the motion of the
H°tl. Member was carried, he stated his objection to it.
That clause, however objectionable it mig.t be, did stand
upon the special reasons wisch had been stated by the
11,00. Member. It certainly was a hardship that labourers
who had married on the expectation that the law
should continue in its former state, should not re-
ceive the relief formerly given.—( Hear, hear.) He
therefore thought it right to move a clause which would
80 far give relief that it would allow the Guardians of
the poor to take the children of labourers into the work-
house, A where they were married before the passing of the
ct.
it This certainly was a species of out-door relief, but
was the least objectionable, and one which the Com-
missioners were at one time disposed to grant.
, Sir T. FREMANTLE thought the clause did not go
't enough in respect to relief granted to widows, and
Inerefore proposed to omit the words with respect to
Widows, "who shall respectively have been married before
!il4th August, 1834," and to insert words to the effect
at the case of widows should be left to the discretion of
"h'= Board of Guardians, without any restriction.
Lord HOWICK said there had been no instance in
vshich widows with large families had been compelled to
•go into Unions to obtain relief. If this plan should be
adopted, it Would be a return to the allowance system.
the Sir T. FREMANTLE then proposed the omission of
,Words which he had mentioned.
I t. o 11'.. R. PEEL said the effect of the clause would be not
relax the Act, but to make it more stringent.
Mr. BRISCOE wished the whole of the Poor-law to
undergo discussion.
Mr. WAKLEY said, if destitution were to be the test
of relief, why not relieve a destitute man with children, as
well as a destitute woman with children ? He trusted the
Noble Lord would pause ere be pressed this clause. Let
him delay it even for a night • it would work nothing but
mischiefs, for the guardians Would act upon udpo it in manner
the results of which this House would
Sir T. ACLAND understood iti:oodl?,:e the main object
epfore.
of the Poor-law Bill that the able
from the
if. he
chose to accept compulsory relief frod
should have it in a prescribed manner, calculated l'arish,
vent too great a demand. But though feeling the to
city of maintaining that object, he did not think it was ob--
ijectionable to give to Guardians the power of relieving
widows with families out of the workhouse. He trusted
Tabthat the effect of the Poor-law would be to throw both
ourer and employer on their own resources, and thus
e
the condition of both.—(Question, from Mr. War-
burton') He was sorry to excite the impatience of the
P
oo- Member, but would give him the advantage of his
intersuption, which he fairly owned had quite put him
t .tt t- -(Laughter, and Hear, hear)--and he would say no
a lot' e.—( Hear, hear.)
~ i..,ord J. RUSSELL had stated all the reasons he could
1. he : other night against the clause, but by the vote of the
H' mse, he was driven to put a notice on the paper, and
45 .wing done so he could not agree to withdraw it.
Mr. WARBURTON—Then I hope the House will
Ai vide against the Noble Lord.
Lord TEIGNMOUTH hoped the Noble Lord would
so ithdraw his clause, and allow the whole discussion to be
ta ken next Session. The vote in favour of his Hon.
Fr iend's motion (Mr. Darby's) was a sort of politically
diE 'ionest vote, because it was known to be an impracti-
cal', le one.
I VI.. DA.RBY denied that there was any thing politi-
call y dishonest in his bringing forward his clause, but he
did. so because of his close watching of the working of
el, iw last year, which made him think it necessary.
I% . WARBURTON hoped the Noble Lord would
°meet] CI to the wishes of both sides of the House, and
withd raw the clause.
ITh a gallery was cleared for a division, but none took
Piste. On our entering, we found Mr. A GLIONBY on
," 1 egs, supporting the clause amidst loud cries of
"'Lid e divide.
'it . PA KINGTON was one of those who had voted
„4t'Wit.h the Hon. Member for Sussex, but he was perfectly
-sf ied with the clause now proposed by the Noble Lord.
Pose' ord JOHN RUSSELL said the clause as he pro-
d it, would stand thus : That any able bodied labourer
mar ried before the 14th of August 1834, having more
1"Gi!
lid refon,ur chil
that it shall, dren, and being
and may unable
be to
lam wfulaintain such
for the
t L iardians of Unions to take one or more children into
r,e' ' s workhouse, and that it shall and may be lawful for the
" aardians of any Union to afford relief to any widow left
Wi tit one or more children under the age of seven years.
Sir T. FREEMANTLE moved the omission of the
irds " 14th of August, 1834."
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House
rided. The numbers were—
For the clause
For the amendment 7B
Majority
General JOHNSON then moved the omission of words
el ative to the admission of children of able-bodied la-
ke arms into the workhouse.
di /Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
wed_
For the amendment
36
Against it
90
Majority
—54
The Chairman then put the clause.
Mr. PAKINGTONsaid the clause bad now assumed a
bew character, and he should give his vote against it. He
t egretted the amendment had been thrown over by a
1 naneauvre.
Colonel SIBTHORP never gave a vote with greater
satisfaction than the last.—(Laughter.) He objected to
the Poor-law altogether.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said as the clause now stood
it would lead to a restoration of the allowance system.
Mr. KEMBLE saw no reason why the Bill should not
lave been brought in earlier. He did not like the
amended clause, as it might lead to abuses, but he thought
theh clause of the Hon. Member for Sussex ought to
juaszeb.eerhagreed to, as he thought it was founded in
reluctantly vote for it, in order to force on a discussion
early next Session.
Sir T. FREBNIA.iNt Origi
nallyas_been stood; and though his
clause—( Laughter
amendment had llogrs
he l
erd to , he would vote against the
da thought it would lead to abuse
had unless the CommissionersAontrollins; power.
After a few words from Mr. Lc
1,31e?.D AL E,
Mr. WAKLEY said the Bill
Coournet them was so im-
portant that he was determined the
Housery
progres.s, should under-
stand what they were at in that
andHe ask therefore
leave
moved that the Chairman report
to sit again.—( Cries of " Oh, oh e.)
The House
Strangers were en ordere
divided, when thereth appeared d to withdraw.
For ttie motion .................................... 15
Ageinst it .............. .. ........................ 102
Majority ....................... ....
.....8,
tao
, On our re-admittance we found the Chairman putting
question, when
chaiMrt. HINDLEY moved that the Chairman leave the
Strangers were again ordered to withdraw.
Mt. HINDLEY however we understood withdrew
his motion, and the division was on the clause.
For the clause 47
Against it
The Maj0rity........., —l7
Highw .
House resumed, and the Turnpike Roads and
ay Returns Bill went through Committee,
form The Dublin Police Bill went through Committee, pro
a.
The Grand Jury Cess (Ireland) Bill went through
Committee.
Mr.graotngPlGOTT brought in a Bill to authorise
ofc ha Sn uperanuation Allowances to Officers
of the
Court of
The Lor i
, eery in Ireland ; which was read a first time.
i Dal ‘N _ ' s Amendment!. to the Prisena (Scotland)
el e agreed t
The ii . o•
ouse adjourned at Half-past Two o'Clock.
allivansanne....._

The Earl of WICKLOW did not think it was necessary
to strike out these clauses for the purpose of putting them
in a general Bill, because if a general Bill should be
passed there could be no objection to these clauses re-
maining. There was one clause which he thought ex-
tremely hard, that which gave power to constables to
arrest any one going into unlicenced theatres. On the
whole, he thought that the Bill was an exceedingly useful
one, and that it ought to pass.
The Bishop of LONDON said the clause was directed
against the penny theatres, which every one knew were the
greatest nuisances which existed ; it would not at all in-
terfere with the theatres alluded to by the Noble Earl.
Lord BROUGHAM said it was a mere police regula-
tion to carry out the present law of the land. The theatres
alluded to were licensed by the Magistrates.
The House resumed, and the Bill was reported with
amendments—to be considered on Thursday.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER begged to ask,
now that the new light had dawned upon the Ministers, as
was evidenced by the production of the Unlawful Oaths'
Bill, whether it was their intention to bring in any Bill to
amend the Arms' Bill.

Lord DUNCANNON knew nothing of the new light
alluded to. The Unlawful Oaths' Bill was given notice
of so early as March, and was introduced by the Solicitor-
General for Ireland within a few days after he took his
seat in the House. It was not the intention of the Govern-
ment to introduce any measure for the amendment of the
Arms' Act.
ECCLESIASTICAL APPOINTMENT SUSPEN.•

PRICES OP PROVISIONS, &C.
Beef, per lb. Os. Cd. tot:W.Bd. Freshßutter, lb. 11.0 d. to ls.
Mutton 0 6 0 8 Salt Ditto—. 0 9 I 0
Veal, IWOMMOWOINI. 0 7 1 0 Ditto, per etc 0 10a 9
0 5 0 7 Eggs, per des. 0 0 0 0
Lamb, per qr. —5. 3 0 5 0 OatStraw(kpl.)-12 0 15 0
Fallow, 0 45 0 Wheat Ditto.-10 0 12 6
2uartern Loaf U9l 010 Barley Ditto 9 0 11 •
Potatoes, 141 b. 0 6 0 0 Hay, 1 0 1 2
EDINBURGH MEAL MARKET.—JuIy 23.
There was a middling supply of Oatmeal at this day's market, and
the sales were rather heavy.
Per Sack of 2801 b. Imp.
First Oatmeal
Second ditto
Barleymeat... ..... I 15 0
Peas elYt eal 1 13 0
Pot Barley—No. 1, per cwt. !
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A moderate business doini
Wheat, per 2401 b. s. d. s. d.
British, old 36 0 to 37 0
new
Canada,
Irish • 23 0 30 0
Barley, par 3201 b
English 3OO
Scottish 2B'o
Irish

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First Oatmeal £0 2 8
Second ditto . 0 2 6
Barleyoseal
Peasemeal ... 0 1 10
I 23.-2d,14a.-8.1. 16*-4th,lBs.
1,20 s.

MARKET. July 24.
rin Grain; prices steady.
Oats, per 2641 b. s. d. s. d.
Irish 22 ote26 0
British 23 0 26:0
Beans, per 2001 b.
English ..." ...... 23 0 24 0
Scottish •22 0 23 0
Pease, Scottish
Oatmeal, per 14010 22 0 24
Flour, per 20010 5O 0 56 0

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St. Austell
Bodmin
Liskeard
Launceston
Camelford
Penzance.

SION BILL.
Viscount MELBOURNE moved the second reading of
the above Bill. It was such a Bill as their Lordships had
passed on two former occasions, and was rendered necessary
Lecause, from a pressure of business and other causes,lthey
had not yet been able to carry out the recommendations of
the Ecclesiastical Commissioners. There were some new
clauses which had been rendered necessary in consequence
of further reports, respecting the more gradual reduction
of the appointments in cathedrals. He trusted their Lord-
ships would again approve of the Bill.
The Bishop of E X E TER would move that the Bill be
read a second time that day three months. The Noble
Viscount said the whole of the clauses were necessary—
be denied it. The Noble Viscount asked their Lord-
ships' consent to the Bill because they had
given it upon former occasions,—that was the very reason
why it ought not then to be given. Were they to have
Suspension Bills from year to year. It was said the in-
quiries were' not completed. The Noble Viscount knew
there was no Commission in existence to complete them,
and that the late Commission had done no work for nine
months before the Commission ceased by the demise of the
Crown, and that because of the bad faith of the Go-
vernment in introducing the Church Rates Bill after
.1 promise that they would bring in no measure af-
fecting the Church while the Commission existed.
The greatest hardship would be inflicted upon the lessees
of property if the Bill was allowed to pass. He should
therefore move as an amendment that the Bill be read a
second time that day three months.
The Bishop of ROCHESTER would support the
amendment of his Right Reverend Friend. He thought
it extremely improper that a Bill like the present should
be brought forward at the present late period of the
Session. He considered the measure extremely unjust
towards the Clergy, and he would therefore give it his
firm opposition.
The Bishop of LONDON considered the Bill essentially

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STRANGE OCCURRENC*.--Oil the evening of
Friday last, between six and seven o'clock, a fire bioke
out in the house of Lieutonant J. G. Framillon, situated
on the Stroud road, near Gloucester. The circumstances
under which it is supposed to have originated are very
singular. In the sky-light of the garret there is what is
which is said to have concentrated
exposed on a large
lyhiinsgthe flame termed a " bull's eye,"
bt hoex sbuenn' se
artahy st
hoen
ga muslinas.
Fdr roet
ns s
communi-
cated to the box and its contents, consisting of bed•linen,
and thence to the flooring and rafters, which were com-
pletely in flames. Fortunately, however, the danger was
perceived, and the fire got under before any serious da-
mage was done.—Bristol Mercury.
The number of claims for registration given in
this year amounts to 367, a much larger number than ever
was put forward since 1832, when the entire constituency
was enrolled at once. In 1833 the claims lodged were
in 1835, 271 ; 58; in 1834, 207 ; in 1836, 121 ; in 1837,
141 ; and in 1838, 149; making an average of 158 yearly.
The number of objections lodged this year against persons
already on the roll is 49 ; last year they amounted to 195.
We are unable to state the proportion of renewals on the
present occasion ; but we should think there must be a
very large number of entirely new votes, and that if the
claims are at all well founded, there will be a large in-
crease to the number of the constituency. There has
been an unwonted activity among the Conservatives this
year, their agent having lodged upwards of 200 claims.
It must, however, be regarded as two years' registration ;
nearly the whole of their last year's claims having been
rejected on account of the blundering way in which they
were filled up. About 50 claims this year were given in
by the claimants themselves.—Greenock Advertiser.

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 30, 1839.

BIRIVIIN GRAM RIOT

WARWICKSHIRE ASSIZES

WARWICK, MONDAY EVENING, HALF-PAST FOUR.
The assizes for the county of 'Warwickshire commenced
this morning, the Commission having been opened on Sa-
turday. There are fifty-eight prisoners on the calendar
for trial, of whom, all but twenty-three, are charged with
offences connected with the late disturbances at Birming-
ham. The trial of Messrs. Lovett, Collins, and the other
members of the National Convention, will not take place
before Wednesday or Thursday, and it is said they will
occupy three or four days, there being a very large number
of witnesses subpcenoed for the Crown. The Attorney_
General, who conducts the prosecution, will be here on
Wednesday, and will be assisted by Messrs. Balgrey, and
Hill, Queen's Counsel, and Waddington. Mr. Lovett,
the Secretary of the Convention, will defend himself, end
Mr. Sergeant Goulburo, it is said, has been retained to
defend the other Delegates, but this is uncertain.
The following are the charges against the Delegates as
they appear on the Calendar :
John Fusseell and Edward Brown committed the 17th of
May, by W. Scholefield, Esq. Mayor—Charged with
having, on the 15th of May last, at the borough of Bir-
mingham, and at divers other times, within the said
borough, unlawfully met together and caused and did
and assisted in causing and aiding divers subjects
of our :Lady the Queen, to a great number, that
is to say,) to the number of five hundred persons
or more, unlawfully to meet together for the-
purpose of disturbing the peace of our said Lady the
Queen, and for the purpose of exciting discontent and
disaffection of the subjects of our Lady the Queen to
hatred of the Government and Constitution, and did then
and there unlawfully and tumultuously continue together
for a long space of time (to wit), for the space of one
hour, in breach of the peace of our said Lady the Queen,
and to the terror and alarm of her Majesty's subjects then
residing within the said borough.—Fussell, bailed before
the committing Magistrate—Browne, bailed before K.
Greenway, Esq., June 14, 1339.
John Taylor, committed the sth of July, by C. Shaw
and F. Clark. Esqrs.—Charged with having, at the
borough of Birmingham, on the 4th instant, did, with
force and arms, together with other evil disposed persons,
unlawfully, riotously, and routously assembled together to
disturb the peace, and did then and there unlawfully, riot-
ously, and routously make a great noise and disturbance,
to the great terror and disturbance of the Queen's subjects,
and against the Queen's peace.--Bailed before W. Collins,
Esq., July 6, 1839.
John Collins, committed the 6th of July, by C. Shaw
and W. Chance, Esqrs.--Charged with baying, in the
borough of Birmingham, on the sth instant, unlawfully
written, printed, and published, and caused to be written
printed, and published, a certain false, scandalous, sedi-
tious, and malicious libel, intituled and headed, " Reso-
lutions unanimously agreed to by the General Convention'
—signed " W. Lovett, Secretary," and dated Friday,
July sth, 1839; and which said libel contains false, scan-
dalous, seditious, and malicious words and matters, tend-
ing to excite disaffection and discontent towards her Ma-
jesty's person and Government, and to cause a breach of
the peace.—Bailed before K. Greenway, Esq., July 15th,
1839.

Willliam Lovett, committed the 6th of July, by the
same Magistrates—charged with having at the borough of
Birmingham, on the sth instant, unlawfully written, printed,
and published, and caused to be written, printed, and pub-
lished, a certain false, scandalous, seditious, and malicious
libel, intituled and headed, " Resolutions unanimously
agreed to by the General Convention"—signed "W.
Lovett, Secretary," and dated Friday, July sth, 1839 ; and
which said libel contains false, scandalous, seditious, and ma-
licious words and matters, tending to excite disaffection
and discontent towards her Majesty's person and Govern-
ment, and to cause a breach of the peace. Bailed before
K. Greenway, Esq., July 15th 1839.
Geo. Julian Harney (on bail)—Committed the 15th
of July, by W. Scholefield, Esq., Mayor, and C. Shaw,
Esq.—Charged with having, at the Borough of Birming-
ham, on the 14th of May last, and at divers other times,
within the said borough, unlawfully met, together with
divers other persons, to the number of 500 and more, for
the purpose of disturbing the peace of our Sovereign Lady
the Queen, and did then and there unlawfully and tumul-
tuously continue together for a long space of time (to wit)
for the space of one hour, to the terror and alarm of her
Majesty's subjects, and in breach of the peace.
At a quarter past eleven Mr. Justice Littledale, attended
by the High Sheriff, Sir Frances Lawley, Bart., took his
seat on the Bench, when the Grand Jury were called over
and sworn, Sir John Mordant, Bart., Foreman.
The Learned Judge then proceeded to charge the Grand
Jury. He said the common Calendar was not very nume-
rous, owing to the Quarter Sessions having been very lately
held. There was only one case, in which a man was
charged with the murder of his wife, requiring any par-
ticular notice. But besides what was called the ordinary
Calendar, he regretted to say that they would be called
upon to investigate several cases of a much more serious
nature which had lately occurred, and had occasioned great
terror and alarm to all those interested in the well-being
and preservation of the Government, the institutions, and
the property of the country. It was well known, that for
a considerable time past opinions had been entertained
and statements made by many persons in various parts of
the kingdom that a very considerable number of persons,
more particularly the operative classes of society, were
entitled to a share in the administration of the laws of the
country, and to some rights which had been withheld
from them, and that the property of the country was
unequally divided, and that measures should be taken to
distribute it more equally, so that those who had but little
might obtain more, and that all might be put upon a more
equal level. So far as these opinions were matters of private
conversation and discussion, and individual speculation, the
law did not notice them, because every man lead aright to
entertain and express any opinions he pleased, if the ex-
oession of them produced no danger to society, and did not
lead to any breach of the public peace. No doubt, these
opinions would have remained dormant in the minds of those
ho entertained them; but, unfortunately, there had been
round restless and unquiet dispositions, whose advice
operating upon the minds of different individuals, would
not suffer the mass of the people to be quiet, but ir.flamed
their minds by violent and inflammatory speeches and lan-
guage, by seditious placards, by pamphlets, by n
newspapers,
and otherwise, to induce them to co-operate with them in
endeavouring to obtain their fancied rights. Among the
modes for what was called a redress of grievances, they had
established what' was termed a National Convention, and
for that purpose, various districts in distant parts of the
country has sent Delegates to give an apparent
sanction to their fancied rights. It did not appear what
was the precise object of the institution, nor whether
it was to be confined to the direction of the various
measures to be adopted by the people to obtain their
alleged rights, or whether it had any ulterior objects or
measures in view. I should rather say the term " Na-
tional Convention " was an ominous one. Since and
during the period of its meeting, large numbers of persons
had riotously assembled indifferent parts of the country, and
had been instructed to arm, and were drilled and trained in
military evolutions and exercises. Riots had taken place,
and property had been burned and destroyed. Of the
folly of giving such advice he should say nothing, as the
people would soon find it out. The intention of those
misguided persons was truly to be pitied, for they would
never have entered into these plans if they had not been
persuaded by others. It was a subject of deep regret, and
he hoped that the persons who had been so misled would
be brought to a better sense of their duty—that they would
feel themselves bound to submit to the laws, and abstain
from altering them by force or violence—that such
proceedings were against the law no doubt could
be entertained, and it was the bounden duty of the
authorities to take proceedings, in order that these
parties should be brought to trial before the ordinary tribu-
nals. The cases likely to be brought under the conside-
ration of the Grand Jury were of three descriptions. First,
there were cases of felony, such as the burning and demo-
lition of houses and property—secondly, riots—and thirdly,
seditious speeches and publications. The first class was
referred to the several Acts of Parliament, many of which
had been repealed, but under the existing law, the 7th and
Bth Geo. IV., chap. 30, it was enacted that if any persons
riotously and tumultuously assembled, and unlawfully
pulled down, demolished, or destroyed, or began to pull
down, demolish, or destroy any church, chapel, or other
house of religious worship duly registered, or any house,
outhouse, warehouse, stable, coach-house, and then the
Act went out to a particular enumeration of the various
buildings, should be guilty of felony, and should suffer
death as a felon. It was thus a capital offence as the law
at present stood. The second class of offences they would
have to investigate were riots, and the meaning of riot was
well understood. A riot was an assemblage of three or more
persons collected together mutually to co-operate and assist
one another in the execution and attainment of some ob-
ject of a private nature in a violent and tumultuous man-
tler to the terror of her Majesty's subjects—the injury or
grievance complained of and intended to be remedied,
being of a private nature, althougl, in some cases even
that might amount to high treason, such as taking up arms
and levying war against the sovereign, although of late
years no man was put upon his trial on a charge of high
treason under such circumstances, even if the riot related
to public matters. Every case, however, depended upon
its own merits, or the circumstances by which it was ac-
companied. At the same time, an assembly for the dis-
cussion of public matters might under certain circumstances
be, but there must be some circumstances of actual force
and violence, of such a nature as to striko terror into the
people, such as the show of arms and threatening speeches ;
but it was not necessary, in order to constitute a riot, that
any personal violence should be committed. He did not
know whether any cases of unlawful assemblies were to be
submitted to them. If there were any of the character
he had referred to, they would be clearly illegal. Any
meeting of persons in warlike manner to gain their object, or
of a great number met in a lawful manner, but under
such circumstances as to occasion alarm, the effect of which
no one could foresee, were held to be unlawful, all who
gave countenance and support to such assemblies were
criminal parties. As to the third class—seditious speeches.
Persons who went about at public meetings, and addressed
the people, exciting them against
the Government of the
country, and bringing the Constitution into contempt with
the people, and inciting to a breach of the peace for the
carrying out of their objects—all such language was
punishable by common law, and the same rule applied to
printed or written proclamations. With these remarks he
trusted they would consider the cases before them.
The Court then proceeded to the trial of some trifling
cases.

BILLETTING SOLDIERS.—An attempt has
been made at Exeter to billet soldiers on the wine mer-
chants of that city, which they have resisted; in conse-
quence of which the magistrates have taken the opinions
the Attorney and Solicitor Generals, who state that wine.
merchants are not liable to receiving soldiers on billets,
they not keeping victualling-houses, inns, or ale-houses,
nor do they permit retail K ine, beer, or spirits, to be drunk
on their premises.— Wiltshire Independent.