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forgery of that. On the pre Ant occasion, the precebnt
afforded by that clause was strictly followed ; and he had
no doubt that most Hon. Members would consider it
abundantly sufficient to direct against such a possible
offence. The other precautions contained in the Bill better
provided against forgery than would any extraordinary
severity which they might introduce in the nature of a
penal enactment.
The Bill was then passed, and immediately carried up
to the Lords by Sir Robert Peel, accompanied by several
Members, to acquaint their Lordships that the House had
agreed to the Bill in the form in which it had been sent down.
Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a petition, in favour of
Reform in Parliament, from Colne.—To be printed.
Mr. PRITTIE presented a petition from Thuries, ex-
pressing alarm at the proposed measure of taxation by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, by laying an increased duty
on spirits manufactured from corn, without a corresponding
advance on that chargeable on rum ; also expressing re-
gret at the discouragement of the culture of tobacco, and
the contemplated increase on stamp duties in Ireland.—.
A !so a petition from the Roman Catholics of the parish of
Drangan, in Ireland, praying for the repeal of the Vestry
Act. The Hon. Member stated, that these petitions were
only the prelude to a county petition which was on its
way over, and which he should have the honour of pre-
senting in a few days.
Mr. HUTCHINSON presented a petition from the
apothecaries of the county of Tipperary, against regula-
tions made by the Apothecaries' Hall in Dublin.—To lie
on the table.

The same How. MEMBER presented a petition from
Clogheen against the Vestry Act.—Also to lie on the table.
Mr. BR AMSTON presented a petition from the manu-
licturers of flour and the growers of wheat resident i❑
Essex, against the importation of foreign wheat.

After a few words *from Mr. WESTIRN and Mr. F.
Lzwts, the petition was laid upon the table.
Mr. BRAMSTON presented a petition from Chelms-
ford, in the prayer of which he did not concur. He did
not agree with the petitioners, that the possession or use
of slaves should be deemed criminal.—The petition was
laid on the table.

Mr. TALBOT presented a petition from the county of
Dublin against increased taxation.
Mr. O'CONNELL bore testimony to the respectability
of the meeting from which the petition proceeded, and
warmly supported its prayer.—To be printed.
Sir M. S. STEWART presented a petition from the
Society of Writers at Dundee, and from the Society of
Procurators of the same place, against the Bill now before
the House respecting the Administration of Justice in
Scotland.

Mr. CUTLAR FERGUSSON objected to the Bill.
The LORD ADVOCATE said that the qualification
of Jurors presented considerable difficulty. The Jury
system in Scotland was not sufficiently understood in
Scotland to give that weight to the opinion of the Judge
which it ought to have. If the whole working of the
system were looked to, it would be found that it had
operated beneficially. It was a mistake to suppose that
parries were compelled to accept a jury trial.
Mr. Fran ussou explained; as did the Loan AD-.
VOC•TE.

Mr. ROBERT GRANT inquired if the Learned Lord
intended to introduce any Bill in the course of the present
Session for regulating the Police of the Scottish Burghs ?
The LORD ADVOCATE intended to lay such a Bill
on the table of the House, and afterwards submit it to a
Committee above stairs. He also intended to introduce a
Gaol Bill this Session, to be discussed in the next.
The petition was ordered to lie on the table.

Lord DARLINGTON presented a petition from Stock-
ton-on-Tees, against the importation of foreign flour.
To lie on the table.

Mr. SADLER presented a petition from Moor, in
Westmeath, relative to the poor laws in Ireland. The
lion. Gentleman gave notice that he should, on Thursday
next, bring forward a motion on the subject.
Mr. G. MOORE presented a petition against the pro.
posed assimilation of duties in Ireland, from the Corpora-
tion of Dublin in Common Council assembled ; and pe-
titions to the same effect from the Corporations of smiths,
cutlers, stationers, goldsmiths, and manufacturers of gold
and silver plate in that City.
Mr. G. MOORE also presented petitions to the same
effect from the parish of St. Audeon's, and the Chamber
of Commerce, in Dublin.

Mr. H. GRATTAN supported the prayer of the pe-
titions.
Mr. BRIGHT wished to know when it was that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to give the House
the proposed Stamp Act, as it would require several days'
attention before the House was called on to give its de-
cision on the subject. When the Stamp Act came under
discussion, he should feel it his duty to move that two-
penny, threepenny, and sixpenny stamps should be repealed,
as they were found most vexatious by the poorer classes
of the country.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was per-
fectly ready to submit the measure on any open day ; but
he really bad not yet had any opportunity of bringing it
forward.

After a few words from Mr. O'CoNNELL,:the petitions
were read.

Mr. H. GRATTAN had received a letter from Dublin
that day, respecting communications that had been made
by some one to the Chancellor of the Exchequer; and
which stated, that the petition presented from the Cham-
ber of Commerce did not really represent the sentiments
of that body. He bad also been informed that the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer had written, in reply, to thank his
informant. He should be glad to learn from the Right
Hon. Gentleman, whether he was rightly informed on the
subject ?—The petitions were then ordered to be printed.
Mr. G. MOORE presented a petition from Sir Har-
court Lees, against altering the law respecting the Roman
Catholic or other bequests.
Sir T. ACLAND brought in a Bill for the Letter pro-
tecting Stage-coash Proprietors against the loss of par-
cels.—lt was read a first time, and ordered to be read a
second on Friday next.

Mr. WODEH OUSE presented a petition from Hales-
worth, in Suffolk, relative to the coal duties.
Mr. WODIEHOUSE presented a petition from Hales-
worth and Beccles, against any additional duties on com-
mon spirits and rum.
Sir R. VYVYAN moved for a return of the number of
persons employed in the police of the metropolis under
the Police Act of 1829, and the general orders issued by
the Secretary of State. He took this course from under-
standing that there were about six thousand person■ em-
ployed under that Act. It appeared to him that the
measure altogether was one inconvenient to the public.
The Hon. Baronet concluded, by moving, " That an
humble Address be presented to his Majesty, that be would
cause to be laid before the House the number of men em-
ployed in the Police of the Metropolis under the Police
Bill of 1829, distinguishing the grades of the persons so
employed, and the specific number of each grade, toge-
sher with the pay and allowance of all the persons em-
ployed ; and also all the general orders issued by the Se-
cretary of State since the:formation of the establishment."
Mr. RICE was persuaded that the more the subject
was considered, the more the country ought to rejoice in
the changes that had been made; and with respect to ex-
pence, the property saved was more than equivalent to any
additional expence by which the measure had been at-
tended. He was not averse from the motion, for he was
satisfied that the more information we obtained concern-
ing the police, the more the public would be convinced that
the change which had been made was a good one.l
Mr. LENNARD supported the motion. He admitted
that the new establishment had already been snore useful
than he had anticipated. He was ready to acknowledge
that this force, which was a sort of military body, might
produce no mischief under the present Secretary of State,
but in the hands of a different Minister it might be dan-
gerous. It was a force on which the House ought to look
with constitutional jealousy.—Motio■ agreed to.'
Sir R. PEEL, who was not is the House during the
short discussion, came in almost immediately afterwards,
and being informed of what had occurred, he said if he
had been in the House when the Hon. Baronet moved
for certain returns relative to the metropolitan police, he
should have taken that opportunity of stating that on this
subject lie was prepared to give the House the fullest in-
formation. All the orders which had been issued both
general and secret, if there was any—but there were none
which had been issued—he should be most willing to
lay on the table of the House. He would, therefore, move
for an account of the number of districts to which the
metropolis police had been extended, specifying the num-
ber of parishes, and the population of each parish ac-
cording 'to the last population returns, with the total
amount of the population em biaced within the districts of
the police.

Mr.
LENNARD had made no allusion to secret orders,
for he did not suppose that any such had been given.
Sir R. PEEL said if there had been any he should have
been glad to have produced them, for he was convinced
that the efficiency of the police would be increased in pro-
portion as it was exposed to the scrutiny of the House.
Lord ENCOMBE said if the metropolitan police were
to he conducted on the same principles as that at Brighton,
it would he a purely military body.
Sir R. PEEL knew nothing of the Brighton police ex-
cept having seen them. He had readily given all the as-
sistance in his power to such towns as chose to form a
police like the metropolitan police ; bat be bad taken no