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quite into the nature of the retaliation into which
we entered against France, and asked what could be,
the objea of it. Did Ministers mean to starve
France, and the Countries depending oo her, by tin
operation of then: Orders ; or did they wish to
teach these Countries to forego the use of the corn-
modities they derived from this country, or to set
their ingenuity at work to contrive substitutes for
these commodities ? He was at a loss to see what
rational or useful purpose they were at all likely tb-
answer. Noble Lords, he observed, would alsO
please to take into their consideration the endless
embarrassments in which Neutrals, but particularly.:
Americans,, must be involved, by the crossing
visions and enactments of these Orders: They
ried according to the nature of the cargoes and ;tie
places for which they were•destined. * Whatever
might be the nature of their cargoes, or the coup e of=.
ttletr destination', they trust all . conic' first to Enir-
land; and be subje6t to a uuty in this Country, be-
, • •
fore they proceeded to any othei-
The Certificates of Origin yliei:e V11)1a to
serious 'ohjeOlons; in shot(; the Ordei3 i,f!
Council appeared 'to him N) be. .contrary to every,
It w ; to be as irreconcilable .with policy as wiTic
:jUstice and to be pr4naut ifl, miAchiefs for
whichpe_ihould find little'i:onOtaiion, in reflect--
ing upon. the character of tlic~ measure that most
4-the`eonn'try.' The Not 4. Lord'
adveite'd to that part. of ace Speech of .the `King`
I.•vhielli.eceinMended the'ea..-lyensiclerra,tion of thele:
tneasures to the. House, awl
ing, " That in ekdience th'l: ion,
the Hou.s.;`.i.iii resdive into a•L':urrirriitte,
consider Of the nature and -tendency of the "I:''
Orders in Council.-

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_Sari
.BATIluRsr rose to reply. The Noble.
itettis opposite him had frequently.complained, that.
the Orders in Council were perpleAed and unititelf,
ligible ; and professed themselves anxious for an ext
planation of them. They would recollect, that,h*,
Noble Friend near, him (Lord Hawkesbury) had ob.,
served, upon an occasion to which he had jtist allyd
ed, tbat it was judged more regular. and convenient•
that the business
_should be first introduced iu,,,ano-
tber place, and that when in the course of its pro-.
gress it carne before their Lordships, then he, or.
some other of:his
..Majesty;siVi:inisturs, would feel it.
', their duty to enter,into,every tl,*p INnation that could
.1 be required of the nature of those Orders,, to whieb,
! under the circumstances ofthemornent,they thought
it adviseable and ,necessary; to resort, He wa, sorry.
the Noble Lord not. thinii,priapqfil .wait ter t bat
occasion, as he doubted not,, then have.;
t card a much, more satist4t9iy:exPlinic':ou of Oe4
measures than'Agcould -pretend .tip afford him. The
Noble Lord_hadichjeily dwelt upon the operation of
those Orders with respea to Amerte::„ and come,*
ed;that they far exceeded the , soil it and intention 94
the Order issued by the. late Admini4ratin oe,,t4p
7th of .January, 1.807. No man could he more p.lnl
sible than, he was of the ,xaluo of ~94 •:othicOun
aad intercourse,u ith Atnerica,, and q ou,;
more sorry, to see, it interrupted.
~.)49t- yilluable. as
that'conneaion• most undoubtediy:4vas, there. were
.other considerations of an :higher order, and whic.b
more vitally concernea the interests of the,Couniy.
The. latter.could not; be sacrificed in .6tder to. pre-
serve.the former. . He could not agree, with the
,Noble ,Lerd, that the Orcle,r of the 7th of Jantrurx
was less a. violation of. the Law of Nations, ca: less
severe in its mode. and measure of retaliation, than
tilose that bul'e
,aciopted.
both. framed oq,[the, rtile of war laid, dewo to
the ye'ar,l7s6,,aed both had the same objects, lit
view...A refereoce • to the Laws of' Nation's da
laid down by the most esteemed writers, and
our Navigation Laws, would best explain their coin- •
Cideece and similarity. of intention and if the ,later
Orders in Council tended to a wider and striL-ter
operation; that operation still continued in thesSpilit
and nature of the Order of. lanuafy 7th, and oNly
applied themselves to the more extended and Mor
urgent necessity of the case..-:-The Noble LO4.- s
mustalio recoiled, that when the Order in Cott eil
.of the 7tli January came under consideration, it.'Wes
represented by the late Administration, only ai
experiMent, which it wag their intention to 41:.47
farthek should circumstances arise to call for an ex-
tensidit of it. . Such. circumstances, be believed,
have since, occurred, and in adopting any further
extension of those measures, Ministeri have only
adopted. the suggestioni, and carried into execut ion
the intentions of ;their predecessors. As to the ex-
planation,Whieb, was saidto.have-been given, to ttie
AmerieaoMinisier at Paris, and the tuttigatiOn'tKat
felloweiV of the French Decree in favour of America, .
he had reason to believe that, no such expl:tuation
had ever been officially made, at* least by those ,ktio
could: be supposed' to have the power ofcarry-int it
into erica. That explanation-was not
,given eii, er
by the Minister of
.the Interior, or by the MhliSter
for FOreign.,`Alfairk; it was merely an t 1
convertettoo_between the French
.111inister ef.Marino
and the Minister of. the United .States.- and Carried
. with it none of the forms of, sane-lion of au , OffiCiat
traosataion.. ,It had therefOre nothing binding in it,
and might . be connteraaed the next moment ;
ile'belleV.ed it ,bad, in-reality, *been, often disreird-
ed since the time it was said to have taken Plat::--
Was“eliis thpu,an example to regulate the coiidtia of
the British Government? He shoUld be glad to 'hear
the Noble Lords who dlaapproved of those mciiseres
propose otb , s' that would eroully defeat thtt sohjOt
pf the enemy, without being liable to the sap,...
ticcoeontle‘virteinni,,
t:on ad,
,I,:d4c
uoliiiicir us
as ilf:riso.
h`nlelv ile;yue I;pr,rt art
hccite
onr.ruanuladures,„ every hrcloch of
in our power. to deprive him 1J flile (:ofnitl;o-
ditiei which'. he formerly derived frOm.his
through the metliuin of neutiali, atid 'if he
to obt.iiit any of them, 414(1 4.4 of the ea,4t,t)e"trit,
cies which hew was aicustottled to .inve from
kingdoms-, lii, should Ohl./ have them throuol , -►•
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