The Sun.
London, England, 1839-04-23 00:00:00

a great many persons not taking an active part in the pro-
ceedings, and the use of such language has been a handle
to their enemies for imputing to them a doctrino which they
have, as &body, done their utmost to repudiate.—( Hear. )
In his late mission he found that the middle classes invari-
ably raised objections against them in consequence of this
constant recurrence to physical force. He had on all those
objections being stated, replied to them by saying that the
Convention had never passed a resolution adopting this
doctrine—and that it was only made use of by some few of
the members.—( Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hetherington)
would not yield to Mr. O'Connor, on any point where the
display of courage would be necessary—but as he was a
moral force man, he could not see the necessity of conti-
nually striving to bring forward the discussion of the sub-
ject. He thought that the sentiment expressed by Mr.
Whittle was indicative of that benevolence which should
ever guide people when they were about to perform a great
action.—( Hear, hear.) He would, when ;he found the
people had tried the influence of moral force, and had
found it insufficient to answer them, be found dohsg his
duty as one of the foremost in the ranks of the physical-force
men. He felt great respect for many of those who had
seceded, and exceedingly regretted their having done so;
and although lie admitted that they had acted wrongly in
this instance still he could not allow any thing to be
said of them which reflected on their actions, without
protesting against it.
Mr. HALLEY supported the resolution.
Mr. PITKEITHLEY, without going into the question as to
the attendance: or non-attendance of some of their body,
would merely remark that he knew that some of the
Delegates had been elected in many places, with
the intention of not giving all their time to the
Convention ; it was with this intention, double Mem-
bers were elected in Birmingham and Manchester.
He thought from the numerous applications which were
daily made for Delegates to proceed on the mission it would
be unwise to press this resolution : even this day they had
many letters—a great many letters wero had requesting
them to send missionaries to several parts of the country.
He therefore thought the passing of this resolution would
be of injury to the cause.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. O'Coeeion replied. He would not trouble the
Convention by saying one word were it not that Mr. Whit-
tle bad thrown the shield of his protection over the mem-
bers who had seceded from them.—( Hear, hear.) If Mr.
Whittle thought as he said, that those gentlemen took their
places at the Board of the Convention with the intention
of advocating the doctrines of peace, law, and order, he
was much mistaken, for it would necessarily imply a censure
on-the Convention,:if it was so intended ; but as he was so
well answered in that part of his speech by Mr. Duncan,
he would not say more in this instance.—( Hear, hear.)
Could any one doubt that the Members generally, and the
people outside, expected that it would be necessary that a
collision would take place with some power before they
could gain their object.--( Hear, hear.) He did not mean
in what he bad said to imply a censure on Mr. Vincent or
Mr. Good; he only said with reference to Mr. Osborne
and others, that they were not discharging their duties as
they were bound to do by their undertaking to attend the
Convention. Mr. Duncan said that he approved of the re-
solution, but that it was at present out of time. He ( Mr. O'C. )
wanted to know when it would be in time? His reply to
Mr. Duncan would be, that they were within one fortnight
of the presentation of the petition.—( Hear, hear.) With
regard to what Mr. Mills said of the Jacobin Clubs, he
would refer that gentleman to what Mr. Bussey said on
the necessity of being impelled from the outside.--( Hear,
hear.) He thought that the name of Jacobin Club could
not be objected to if its utility could be proved. He did
not care under what designation the people chose to sup-
port them. It it was necessary that they should be
supported by the people composing a Jacobin Club,
he would say, " All hail the Jacobin Club." Since be
must adopt cautious phrases with regard to the seceding
members, he would do so ; but he still could not
agree with Mr. Hetherington that their conduct should
be passed over lightly. He denied the rig-ht of these
men to reduce the Convention to the standard of peace,
law, and order for the shopkeepers, and money-
mongers—he wanted peace, law, and order, for all par-
ties, and all classes. They heard a great deal of Mr.
Matthew's exertions, but it appeared he was always ready
to tell others to do what he would not do himself. Much
also had been said of the money expended by Mr. Mat-
thews, but it turned out that he was merely the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, and expended money, none of which he
a
himself subscribed.—( Hear, hear, hear.) lino
objection to the suggestion of %ir. ned as h' id o
the
the insinuation that he wished to dictate to the Convention,
he would appeal to those present whether he was not al-
ways ready to defer to any gentleman who would favour
him with a suggestion. He was always ready to explain
anything that might be liable to ini:construction, and he
would ever esteem it one of the proudest days of his ex-
istence w hen he had been appoi dto sit with the honest,
manly, and independent gentlemen he saw around him.
After a few words from Mr. Halley in defence of Mr.
M'ttliew, the resolution was pat and carried unanimouslv.
The CHAIRMAN handed in dl. from the Working Men's
Association of Chilton, Mr. Hetlicringtm 11. from Marston,
near Manchester.

Mr. JA NIES TAYLOR, withdrew the motion of which he
had given notice, relative to members not voting on the
questions brought before the Convention.
Some discussion then took place relative to a sum of
money transmitted from Birmingham, to Prescott and
Co.'s bank.

The CHAIRMAN had a dis; inet recollection of al. being
acknowledged in the Birmingham Journal, and also that
it had been transmitted to Prescott's bank.
It was ultimately suggested that application should be
made by the Treasurer to Mr. Douglas on the subject.
On the motion of Mr. HETHERINGTON Mr. F. O'Con-
nor obtained leave of absence on Wednesday next, to at-
tend the Queen's Bench.
The meeting then adjourned.