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London, England, 1830-11-13 00:00:00

tilde* might be in the abstract, it was the July of every
Statesman to regulate their application according to eke
ctoutareses, and not, as was to be inferred from the Hon.
Member's doctrine, that circumetances, and expediency,
end regard to long,established usages and interests, should
he overlooked or bent in obedience.to abstract principles.
(Hear, bear.)—The general rule which his predecessors
in ottsoe hail acted upon, and which he should follow, was
to make relaxation of protecting duties the rule, to be dice
parted from only as it might appear most advantageous to
the country. To expect a perfect free trade under the
oxi,ting relations of the world, was an idle closet-dream
which could never be realized till all the kingdoms of the
north were fused into one common nation, with one com-
mon' interest, end one common exchequet,.(ilear, hear.)
Hon. Members were in error in supposing that the pro-
potted schedule of duties was filmed with a view to
benefit the West India intertet, or any other interest but
that of the empire at large. It was the cetrsequenee, as
ho had on a former occasion explained, of the very sada-
factory conclusion of a long conttoversy involving many
disputed points between this country and the United
States, and did not proprie to effect more than open the
trade with our West Indian Colonies to America. It was
no innovation in our commercial policy ; the principle
being similar to that of Lord Goderich's Act of 1822, and
Mr. Huskimon's of 1825.
Sir H. PARNELL would, at that first stage, aaise his
voice against the principle of the Right Howe Gentleman's
proposed measure. The country was already weighed
down by taxes, and what wens called protecting dudes;
and yet the House was asked to consent to a measure
which went to add to both—(Hear)—and that, too, in the
face of dome enlightened principles of coMmercial policy
on which they had for some years been legislating, from
which the Right Hon. Gentleman'a proposition would be
* direct departure....-(Hears hear. )_ln fact, the Right
Hon. Gentleman called upon them to retrace their steps
with regard to fret trade, and to do what P Why, ac.
tually impose a tax on the raw materials of industry.—
(Hear, hear.)—Was this the way the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman proposed to carry into practical effect the only ebe
*tract principle that House was hound to entertain...the
interest of the empire at large? From the schedule before
the Howie, it appeared that an additional duty was to be
imposed on the raw materials of industry entering the
Worst Indies ; as a consequence, the Colt of production of
sugar, the West India staple commodity, would be in-
creased, and that increase must act either as it diminution
of the planter's profit*, or raise the price of sugar to the
consumer : the latter would, us they all knew, be the,ae-
teal effect. How, on any supposition, could the Right
Hoe. Gentleman pretend to say that the interest of the
public at large was consulted ? Indeed, he felt the whole
measure of the Right Hon. Gentleman to be so objection-
able, that he would move, by way of amendment to its
• principle, that the duty of le. on flour be omitted,.
(Hear.)—lle did not mean that that was the only elate.
tionahle point in the Right Hun. Gentleman's proposition ;
be only fixed on it as a ready mode of moving on amend.
ment to the general principle of commercial policy to which
Ministers were then attempting to induce the House to
retrograile.—(ilear.)—lfe hoped the Ileum would neva,
vent in the policy or. which it bad hitherto acted, and di.
minish the system of protection.
COn'TENAY considered that the ativricites for
free trade did not allow for the transition from a state of
prohibition to a state of freeiloWi, lie thought it would
net be to the, interest of the West Indies for our northern
colonies to he let down, so as not to be able to compete
with America, for in such ease the West Indies would be
deprived of the advantage of having two markets.
Mr. IIIJME was of opinion that the proposed duties
would increase the price of sugar to the people of this coun-
try. His plan would be, not to inereele the price of sugar,
but to diminish the duty a certain portion annually until it
wholly expieil.
Mr. ROBINSON was a friend to free trade, if adopted
with respect to every raw article; but he thought it right
to encourage our colonies in preference to the United
States, who had adopted the principle of protection, if not
of prohibition. It appeared from a note of the American
Minister to Mr. Canning, that America would have been
willing to exchange her raw produce far British manufac-
tures, if this country bail been disposed to act on liberal
principles. That was a principle of free trade, on which
be should not be unwilling to act. He was not an enemy
to free trade, but to the pat-dal application of its principles.
Mr. MARRYAT made several remarks, but they were
all inaudible.
The resolutinne were then reed a second time, On the
question that they *boat be reed a third time,
Sir H. PARNELL moved, as an amendment, that the
duty he reduced hum 1e.14.1. to Is.
The Committee divided, when thire appeared.... rot the Amendment no
Against it l3O
Majority
• OATHS IN PARLIAMENT BHA .
On our re admission into the gallery, we timed the
Speaker in the chair, and
Mr. C. WYNN moving the second reading of this
end stating, that he wished to postpone the discussion upon
the Bill till the next stage. He proposed to take it ja the
Committee on Monday se'nnight.
Sir C. WETHERELL said, that he certainly should
object to the total abrogation of the abjuration oath.
Sir R. PEEL maid, that he concurred with the precede
log speaker ht objecting to the total repeal of the oath of
abju ration.
The Bill was' then read a second time, and ordered to
be committed on Monday stannight.
On the motion of Mr. Bennett, tins Sussex. Juries Bill
passed through a Committee—Report on Monday.
SUB- LETTIN 0 ACT.
•Sir 11. lIARDINUE said, that in moving for leave to
bring in a Bill to explain and amend the Act of the 7th
Geo. IV., c. 119, respecting the assignments and sub.
letting of lands in Ireland; he should trouble the House
with no other observation than this,—that there was, on
the part of the Government, a desire to do nothing except
what was right and equitable between landlord and tenant.
lie trusted that when the Bill should be laid on the table
and printed, Hon. Members would take it into their con-
sideration, and use every exertion to make it u little ob-
jectionable as possible.
A desultory conversation then took place between several
Members as to the amendments
.which the existing law
ought to receive. In reply to a suggestion of Mr. Rice,
Sir H. lIARDINGIC said that all the clauses of the new Bill
would be prospective.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
POPULATION OF IRELAND.
Sir H. HARDINGE then moved for leave to bring in
a BM for taking an account of the population of Ireland.
The Bill which be wished to introduce was nearly the
saute as that which was pulled in 1815 for taking the
centers of the population of Ireland, and which produced
the returns of 1821. Some suggestions for the improve-
ment of that Act had been mode by the Hon. Member, for
Queen's Ceunty, and those suggestions were adopted in the
present Bill. The Howe would perhaps permit him to
state the rapid manner in which the population of Irelend
had increased within the last 150 piers. The first census
taken of Ireland was that taken in 1672, by Sir W. Petty.
The population at that time was 1,100,000. The next
census was taken in 1781, by order of the Irish House of
Lords. The population at that time was 2,010,000. In
I'lBb another censer, was taro, by which the population
was made to amount to 2,845,000. There were some
Intermediate edema, hut they were formed on such loom
data that there was no relying mi them; In 1812 an Act
*as paartql by that Rouse for taking a fresh census of the
population ; but owing to semis temporary circumstances,
the results were not such as could he relied on. By that
census, the population amounted to 5,000,000. In the
the year 1815 another Act was prised, whieh was the
model upon which his present Bill wits framed, By that
Act the Grand Juries, which had Were taken the census,
were replaced by a Bench of Magistrates, Aided by the
assistant barristers. The population, by the roam of
that census, amounted to 6,801.827 pesetas--by which
it appeared, that in the last 90 years the papelation
,of
Ireland had trebled. He believed that it would be found
upon examination, that the population of Ireland doulded
itself every 45 or 46 years. If any gentlemen should have
any suggestions to offer for the improvement of this Bill.
be should he most happy to hear and to attend to them ;
at preeeot be would conclude by asking for leave to bring
in the Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL suggested the propriety of taking
the number of persona belonging to each religious sect in
Ireland. No one could expect that the temporalities of.
Ireland audit remain as they were at present.
Leave wee then gieen to bring in the Bill.
The lloasteedjourned et a Quarter past Eleven -o'clock
to Monday next.

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