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tional concessieftwon our pArtv vic, re. kroduced into s,
it, it would not $e ratified ? 4drt,i'yibunfid to ad-
fiere to the stipulations bfltnerreatAere it was cow.
c I "and ij` s' sriltittr,bitckwat fitTrkrt.67.-
Wardi, from-one:quarter of the.glnbe to,the other?
.klithitation of, the. Noble, Lord he would say a few.
wards, at present, 'on the the Ord_ r 3:
°‘'irlrat-'l.s;tik the state-of- the- corhltries of Great
Britain • nu& rtrinc4 :with Nis 061'.to,tratie ?i,Peevibutl;
041#41053,41%,pf,A1w orfigit 4x!coupcil, ,FraPcP,.,9l)'.4t
gyvsl, ..the assistance of Neutrals, a's geat ad-;
ivirkeasPes' tr thdd 9s We'" poSSessed N% h our
litivr;'l?kileed, • s belligetent ,
Avas.= ni)ntttlizes.l;:.,atid,Jklidered `lisrlep by neutral,
!snipl_caKrying to France all that it. was itnportant fur
`lr,;anc'e'tc; obtain. This-had been the case for so
long a period, that even prior to the Decree of the
,Q.,kat;of;Novelober,. tt Inight have been matter of
;(Iljeate ingulry, whether this Country ought not to
ihave'resorted to the measure of 175-6: But surely
ithe Noble 'Lord tnust see, that after the • issuing
of .the':Dei..e :of the_ (gist of November, a much
!stronger measure, was necessary.
.otherwise. French
property conveyed in neutral buttoins would have
safe. • British property in danger.--It had
.been declared,' that the french Decree was a dead

u't , w 1.4 nuthctrissd• tgre.4 mis,i'ion„oc ;Ortitin, c,rmil.„
tiec,,s, indispen-sable"4p,us, diro fro.; 'Ede fniTs*tior ,t.,,
Wriicharticles were, to be sp4elli:Ll in the 'lira
,ti , .
Leeilee. The spe‘:iikation unLier the la ts.iOrder-was.:
tint eon tined to a lewtrticles,,btit €l6,l4railig,44les.l the 1
w.ho',c book of .rafe4,„and thereby,isuspended till the
naviga,fi'ye laws,' which in the former case were but
partially affetle4,-.oid this- itindey the sl-4idow of '4n',-.,
AA Nvilich let in but, three. or four.:: In his views:`.
upon t4,,1s question, 4e dis:kiiiried atiy party motives,;,
or any intentiOn to support any set of men. The
clYeAlon.Avaa,:-whetber the, Orders' were, right -or
119 t, _and the decision ought, in his .opinion, to. be .
subMitted to Parliament. He bad no ' 'ilostility. to
the Right Hnn-Gentletuan, but be felt an irrecon-
614%kt..enmity to the . unconstitutional - manner by
which-. they had come into power.: Anott;Th Minna-
parte may beguilty of injuslice, that would not be
a justification of them in imitating his aas.. Stich' an
Enernyoughtto be resisted by a determined courage,
not by_aa-. of violence. It. • behoved this Legisla7
tire, ...lefore the Orders could have any cad upon
foreign nations,. to, ascertain whether they were
right. His Right Hon. Riendhacistatecl, that these
i
Orders were n retaliation of the measures of the
Enemy.,..upon the same principle as the Oider of the

letter, and' that it was. easily evaded. He was. well '7th January, 181)7. But he contended, .that they
award that the Certificates of Origin gave oppor- ..could not be cdnsidred as measures of retaliation,
thithies, by the assistance of forgery and perjury,. ;'because tide. French Decreeof the 21st of November,
for' the introdnaion of our goodS on the Continent. .180, had never been aCted upon, so as to require
Such.pradiceS,•howaver, were not to beencooraged;., .suclt 'a retaliation. In proof of this he quoted the
and m
f.ofar from its being a dead letter, France was. -answer of the French Minister of Marine to the
tittleap-
fro to time supplied by new provisions tbr ..pticatiori of the American Minister for oh explana-
the deficiencies of the. Decree, The -different coasts' tion-of that Decree, in which it was stated, that the.
had been lined with troop;, • and other :means of Decree did not alter the .maritime 1,0. v of France
imprevement from time to time recurred to. Ambng with resped to captures ; that Anterican Ships
the arguments which kid- been urgeit against the would not be captured when passing between the
Orders ofCouticil, it .had been contended ahat they ports of America and England, and. that, it was only
were the cause of the distress which our manufac- the entrance of such VeSsels into the Ports of France
oirers experienced. It- had been 'said, that Franco with English goods, which amounted to a breach Of
had shut the door against 'our cointnerte, and that we the blockade, that would subjea capture.---
kid to caPture--
kid bolted it: But every one who was at all acquaint- Another communication, on the same subject, dated
ed. with the sat'6o4l.ketnast know that the; pressure the eat!) ofDeceMberegave a positiVe explanation,
which our manutaettlres sostain4 was antecedent as the previous ate had a. negative explauation, that
to.. the promulgation •of the Orders, and that it Neutral Vessels, corning front England or her Colo-
criginated in. the 'French Decree: If we entertained nies, would not be received M the ports of France;
a .hope, that the great inconveniencestistained by and, if dete4ed endeavouring..to evade this De-
the. Continent .fot.atant, of 'British madofacgures, eree by false PaperSe would be confiscated ;so that
might produce a resistance to these Measures of the Decree of the 21St of NoVember had not been
the' 'French GoVethritelit by which they were ex- . acted upon in France,.frOm the time*of its poblicia
eluded,;:oF policy evidently. was, .by increasing, that -lion uptra September last, in any manner to call for
inconvenience, to endeavour to force. market. the retaliatidn'hy our Orders of Cotlncil. The Da-
--It wai.impossihle to say to what extent the ate. cree had been adopted in Spain; end in that country
'bitrary,p6Wer of IrtainCe might compel the coun- too tt bad 'not bent executed any more titan in
tries 'under • her dominion to • consent -to their own France, in any way's() as to • authyriae the measures
ruin. If
.France could -Occlude our good trout the . that had been resorted to,lay ijiis Government. The
-Coniftient, they wotild • have been --excluded had, i case of the Vessel, the Shipkeedess, 'an ~:\anerican,
lotir': Orders- never appeared: If 'they were ex- with cart o.cif -English Merchataiiie, which after
*ded, Mint look to the rest of the world ;of an appeal to the Admiralty. .Court of Madrid, had
thie trade with which, bythoseirery Orders,'we had. been released from a Spanish port, he stated to de-
secured a monopoly.' By that trade We must ended- monstrate thAt ixas no justification Of
yOur to compensate ourselves for the losS of Conti,.. 'the Orders'of Council therefore in the condua of
nentel creirmerce. With regard to the 'efflitt which the EneMy. As to, the case of Americe, it was .his
these Orderaanikiit' have on out relations with Ame- wish that we should relax in our rights in her favour
fica, 'that was a most itntiortant subje4; 's,:e-ne peri as touch as our cir6onstances would admit of; and
sons apprehended, that they might induce America: here he was ready to deny the application of the
to go. to -war He trusted 'Not ; he believecf_ principle, that wei•frad no right to search. Neutral:
oot : no one would recetet,soch an event more than .MerehMtt'Vessels for any thing but contraband of
,Mrifself:' He was fair"from 'entertaining 'the war. The insult to a• State could only be offered by.
(alien idea, that we m,ight redeem ow o•.vo loSses searchiog. Vessel bf the tate ; the aeArch of a
by he sutferings.of Atherica. Loss to Aineriea 'private Vecsel might Moonlit to a priVate injury, but
loss to Gi-eat Britain.. He wished to prov;,34t could not be consideretta publieinsalt. As to the
with America, for although the mischief,: which Ante- :,:ceeiificates A:- -origin, his .I.tight, licit). Friend must
:
1'44 would 'still-Cr htavae, most first felt by her;' know, that until,] ord Auckland's ',Ureater they were
tht‘y *child eventually be kit. by us. • Tho prosperity uniformly' regliired in:the ports of I:'ratice, and in
of America was the prosperity of Groat ilrioaa,' and time of peace: On all these grOunds he-should agree
he w4s as, .amtioui to•preServe' peace \vith America; with 'his Noble
.Friend in .opposiii the Speakida
consistently with the rights -nod intereJts of this .leayiagahe.chair,. because hetheughi. that this ,wat a
country, as -any Man. he hoped ,that Peace. yi,6stion epon which his•Majesty.'s Ministers ought
bd'preseri:ed, he belleYed that it wit'ufd'be pre- to fortify themselves With the strength- of
served ; for if any enlightened view existediti Anne- ..rnarit -and- the' sense• ot, the Nation, . at .a time
rich of the principle of the IneaSere's which we had when, the eyes of the .world were tonu their'pro,
adopted, it was impossible thattheyciSuld,be the close ceedings. , ,
of war. It was impossible that the Americans could 'The MASrER of t4'.11-6,L LS observed, that
.
: look
.et the Orders without perceiving there were. some of PaPers, with the contents of
in them Many inStanCeS Of l tali,,rinottoinjure Arne- which anylapse of ..tirne-could not .make.the-lionse
Theie Were various exceptions in diminution ..be,tr4e4painted, atai it there were, as his Learned
tif the .nsititary cifectrot those Urdet's whichshe wed :Friendhadstuted inconsistencies in the Orders, they
that we were, desirous of d, oing as little' injury' to inightlie'cOrieCled Without being any catise of de,
'Ainerica as posstble.. If the Kahle Lord,' On if -re,. • lay, HHis- Learned Friend had said, thrit his Majesa
view of the arguments that bed, just been urged,. or , ty'a.,Miiriaters
.ought to, galorth on this occassion
recolleetion• of his formee'iroprc!ssions- oh.thh.. . with the Whole strength qt., the House of Commonl.
subjeal, tinge to.dbub(whether, lie wits justified in It is 'thout it tivelventeritlfsn* that a measure
charging the British. GOvernment-with ads-of via- of this sort bad been' refused, even to •the inspenion
lench towards Neutral Nations,-,it would be tbr:him ..,;of the, Hopae.et •conamonsie aod., it.had4ben_ been
'to consider`, what kind of impression might,be Made sa;si,, that to call for such a Paper would be to inter-
;on America, by the notion that a great ietrt ofitha fere, with the coude4bf the War, and a deni.il of that
wise COunciltaf England ;Vera) (*Opinion, that the 46t confidence,whirh was doe to Ministers ; that
.
undei discussion
,was one against which, on --no. 'big laid for its ptoductioh, and that
Averyptineiple of honour and dignitytheAmerfealis 1-11riiament ought net t 9 .4 possessed of it inn Alai*
ought to take exception. . sach an impressioq, that couldmake' it 'file subjea of disciisSion. He
under ,t.tel) :,t; authority, were:Tqld•to America,,the' was surprked, therefore, '.to find' that his' Learned
eonscielences „niiglatiebe to;. both Fritnd 'hlt.l refrained from giVing fill this
countries.- Hencettmended'thec considerations day upon' the lubjca, anti thist,..eirteriainingtho,
to the attentiort 44'4 Honistifahli Gentrett4.Who' I opinions -he' he had' not eodeaVoured to recall
might be .PreParnii.(ol support:the Nobie Lour
:opt'. • the late Ministers from an aet which 'IIC. censidered •
gnments, ,The'Bittish Government had been aao--, unjustifinble: His .LearntAl • Friend had admitted,
ated by no spirit -of .jealausy or hostility againitt t that on a principle of retitliation, .111CaittreS of. this
maitre', PoWers, more particularly against America.' kind were i•uNtAible, mid he agreed vlrith hts.Learii-
They had merely done that is Bich it was their duty, ed Fri net, that when such measures were to operate*
;to do;in consequence-of the measures that had been' • ...Upon innocent neutrals, it ought to he grave matter
.adopted, by • the enemrdor the destrutlion of the of consideration whether they shoul:1 be resorted to.
country: ,• -• • - His Learned Friend had stated,. that such. Measures
.
on-tended, that ill! the ought to.tollow the acts of the enemy, or'otherWiSe
Dr. LAURENCE
they would not be at% of retaliation.. With this
toent,i which la id been' 'uSed
.hy his Right. on.
pert ; but when the Enemy
Friend, made in fitvour of the ptineipletnirlintatned d'tric'e agreed
hi,i.N.ob/e •vrioo:lf tver there wo a , dep.trt.ed tr‘ott.i:.4ustiee, he tray • ()I:opinion that we
.
were justified retaliating sobiance,
.and gnat
'when 'no' Measuie of ntic;nitude, that might affeCt
. , bound to adhere. tO the form; And' he Was surprls-:
(I',o gre;ll. inteic4s of the, Countr, pllgt not 10 pass .
ed, indeed,•to-hear the NOble'LOrd Who opened tills
WithOni the sedulot is attention of Parliament; it vas
debate, put the 'constrtiCtion he had upon the French
the pre-,ent. tThe Orders of Council should he
Decree IRO, I)ec..ause that construction. took away
sidered in three peints of view; ist, As to'rheir
. . nli justificationi,... from. the Order of the 7th of
..14n.'
aimplici!y or complexity ; ealy,:As to teen' legality
it 897 ‘,.trds:roatter of astonishment to.him :to
according to the,tritinicipal I.4lyvof the Cot.tatry.; ;
811,1
3,4, As to thei legality. liceordina. to kite Law , pear aoy oho who had 'uttered le in suppert
of N:tions. he flambe!. and variety of the Orders of the Or of t 80.7, object to he U.ders then un--
net cOnaideratirin. The very ",curable 'of the ler-
and 11!`.xplanator; Orders created much complitk
contusiou, atid.thci:e wore Many ohjeCtions to . met Order Was a refutation .of the Noble Lord's
diiferci-nt ii;irts of their), so.ne of which even went CO stated theinAs-
arguments. Thar preatohle grass,
tice theFrench-Deeree to be' the tnundetiort Of the
their heality Their interferimce with the freedom
ee • : • Order 'The Noble I•orct and 1a learned Friend Coil-
and Security Of foreign [MI Ch:lntS 'ineotlSiSlCW , ' '
1,1.1t1) the .-Provi;iic,:ei4. of
.M,lg.sua Chaim, which. (0.. 'tended tail that France did oot Miderstand the De-.
(joined, tlut eVery faCility should hegivoi crek, accordin,!•Y to the coustriv:tiint Upon which the
im.yro:cants trading in merchandiZeo. "-711:Yi
prOhebiii," that is by in shit. laW.;. But the ; Detract. could' underE..tand it. Kr. ',For his part, he
orithee (-YrriCrs preceeded; brit that no person regling the''
Litui of Orders, tit hi:J6)4A atone croald not StXr Cvbatbikr cOrrstruaioo ci)tild be put
thy. Tess abilsc of the, ALt of the ,aad hrtfttrt cenxttlirthe-G6vermm.lll of Y,l'''o94k
the hat.;lt of making 014con,leiqu'od,
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