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London, England, 1806-07-12 00:00:00

GRENADA 'JOAN.

Mr. VAIsISITTART brought in,a Bill for the further
continuance of the Grenada Loan.

Mr. BAKER In t:lll3ted. a cloubt: Of the propriety of
•
this continuance, anti wished for a convenießt op-'
portunity of discussing'its merits.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL defended the Bill,which
went to vest the property in-the hands of. Trustees,
to be sold for the repayment of the Loan.
Mr: BAKER wished to know, whether any in-
quiry had been set on foot to ascertain whether the
money had been fairly applied in the West Indies,
and not- pPlied to local purposes in. Scotland ?
Mr..MACDOVVAL said, not a shilling of the money
had been applied to local pro=poses: Every exertion
had been made to restore the affairs of the Grenada
Merchants, consistent . with the. little facility given
by the late Law Officer :Of- the Crown in Scotland.
The object of the Bill was to dispose of most valu-
able property, and to pay every debt remaining due.
Mr. -R..Du NDAS' vindicated the conduct of the late.
Law -Officer of the Crown for Scotland, in regard to
this business'.

Mr: MACDOWAL explained.
Mr. JOrn,isTotiE supported the Bill.
'Mr. BAKER explained. •
Mr. Fit. ti 9oridernnecl gperally such.advances
of the public money for the relief of private necessi-
ties., He defended this Bill, which went to procure
the repayment of-this particular advance. -
The Bill was read a first titne, and ordered to be
read a second-thrie to-morrow.

Mr. BANKES stated, at the Bar, that he had been
to the Lords to demand a conference, on the subje&
of the last conference (the examination of Lord
Teignmouth), and that the Lords bad appointed the
same to be held on Monday next, in the Painted.
Chamber.

Mr. HOBHOVSE felt bithself under the-neces-
sity of calling thettention of the House to a cir-
cumstance which might involvessome blame to him-
self; but in which 'he trusted to the indulgence of
the Hduse. A Bill (Sir John Gordon's Divorce Bill)
had been taken from the Table of the House, and
carried up to the' Lords, which had not passed this
}Rinse : the Lords were unwilling to part with,the
Bill without a .MeSsage from the House to recall it
---(q laugh) ; but a Message, therefore, he was under
the necessity of moving for. There were precedents
of similar. mistakes and- similar Messages, 'but he
could not call upon the_ House without takincr some
blame to himself for an inadvertency, which he sup-
posed must have happened to him, aain„o-us Chair-
man. of the Committee of Ways and Means. He
moved 'that a Message be sent to the Lords, desiring
that Old!' Lordships would send back the
BAXER `tva's not 'surprized that such mistakes
should occur when the ddry of tire Chairman of the
Cckimittee of Way s and'Means was performed by so
mAny persons. He wished to knoW who was the
real Chairman.
' Mr. HORHOtISE said, it was Well known that
the chairman of the Committee of WayS and
Means (Mr. „Alexander)
.was much absent in mak-
ing preparations for his departure for a Foreign Set,
tlement. From_ friendship to that Gentleman, he
14‘ generally performed his duty; and whenever
he was- not, -present, it was done by some other
Gentleman, for the convenience of the House. He
-ivaS content to take the blame of'- the inadvertency
upoim himself, as having aoled most frequently.
After a few -words from Mr. B!,,KER, it was or-
dered that a Ales-gage be sent to the Lords, to desire
them to return the Bill.

_
Sir JOIIN NEWNRT moved the third' reading of
the Corn Intercourse Bill. •
Mr. FOSTER said, he could not, suffer this. Bill
to pass without Saying a few words upon it. He
hoped that the House would . still pause before they .
gave their assent to a Bill which might be produEtive
of such serious consequences, and he was surprised
to find that the Hon: Baronet persisted in carrying
it through at- so late a period of the Session, and
after a division in which there. was only a majority
of four in favour: of the Bill. : He had before
stated, that lie approved of the principle, of this .
as tending. to ;establish a free i,ntercourse be-
tween Great Britain and .Breland.; but . he con-
tended, thaf to establish a free intercourse before
any regulations:were adopted respelling the Expor-
tations and Importations of Corn -to and from. Fo-
reign Countries, Might be attended with the most
serious consequenceS ; and as. it .was admitted that
the House had not then sufficient information be-
fore it to :enable. it .toframe thse regulations, he
could not-see why the whole of the subj26l might
not be postponed till next Session, ,when -there
would be ample time tbr the full dicussion of the
stbjea.. No- possible inconvenience could ensue
from this delay, because by the Corn Laws at pre-
sent subsisting Great Britain and Ireland gave each
other a• mutual preference : he therefore begged
leave again to express his hope that the Hon. Baro-
net would consent to put`it off' till next Session.
• -Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that as these points-
hadfrequently been discussed before, he should pow
trouble the House very shortly. The question bee
fore the
.House was a very simple one, and as. they
had before them the) precedent of a case exaelly iu
point.,•there was no reason to apprehend those seri-
ous consequences which the Right Hon. Gentleman
had predi6ted. In the case of North Britain, a.free.
intercourse in Grain had subsisted' with England: for
many years before any common medium was esta-
blished -to regulate their trade with Foreign Coun-
tries.. ,It was only last year that the. general:
average between England and Scotland was
adopted, and yet he bad never heard that any
evil or inconvenience . had resulted to either Coun-
try from- the. free intercourse which had previ-
onsly ,subsiSted. He perfeialy agreed with' the Right
Hon. Gentleman that it would be wise to. establish.
some common medium; all he contended for was,
that that -point.might be arranged, at a future period,
and that-in-the mean time no inconvenience could
result from the establishment of a free intercourse.
The Right Hon. Gentleman had frequently spoken.,
of the late period of the Session at whiCh the Bill.
was brought in, and had complained that the People
of Ireland had not had sufficient .tiu)e .to become
acquainted_With the measure. Ile aegged„leave,
however, to state, that the Bill had now been
before.. the. House for several weeks, and he had
received letters from various parts of Ireland, Cork,

Waterf7rs,3, Limerick, Etc. containing opinions
upon this Bill those 'opiniOns were decidedly' in
favour of tile-Bill, even though it-should not be pos.:
sible at present to estbli4li the general average.:
The Bill Was then read i third time, and passed.
Mr. HonnotrsE moved the Order of the. Day for
The third reading of the Nabob of Arcot's Creditors'
Bill.

iIIr.,RIDER proposed a Clause requiring the
Commissioners .to produce the grounds of their
decisions ,in• all cases wherein Parliarnnt should,
on th 6 appeal allowed by the gill, hwe to revise
those decisions. This Clause was, opposed, on the
ground of the immense trouble -it would give to
Parliament in looking over the Minutes of the
evidence taken before the Conimissioners. After
a long discussion, the ,Clause • was withdrawn by
Mr. RYDER, in-consideration of the objedionstnade.
to it.-

The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
TR'EASURER OF THE NAVY.

Mr. WHITBREAD rose, in pursuance of his
notice, not to move any, proceeding in the present
,Session, but that.the House should, as early as pos-
'sible, nest Sessien, take into consideration the Act
,of the 25th of George.lll. relative to the Office of
the Treasurer of the Navy,. Every One must have
read the Report of the Committee appointed to ex-_
aznind the Lords' Journals; and every one must
have felt deeply interested. with some points of the
Report. In answer to one question proposed by
the Lords to the Judges, it appeared the Judges were
of opinion, that it- was not unlawful for a Public
Accountant to apply to private uses Public Money,
and that on proof of the same, he was not. liable •
to any criminal indialthent. If that really was the
Law, and if the majority of the Lordslhad acquitted
Lord Melville in consequence of -the opinion of the-
Judges so delivered.,, it was high time that the Law
should be altered, or that if it were not the Law,.
that the Law should be declared. It appeared •by
the opinion of the Judges, that the Public had long
laboured under gross delusion with regard to the
Aid of the 25th of the King, and tharit was in the
,power of the Treasurer of the Navy not only him-
self to draw'out 'of the Bank, and dispose whereso-
,ever he chose, sums of 140 or 150,0001. but ,that
he might depute others so to do, and to place those
sums even beyond his controul. It also appeared .
by the decision of the Peers, that the .assigned
lances might also be used with impunity 'for the
emolument of the Treasurer of the Navy. He
trusted that his Right Hon. Friend near him (Mr.
• Sheridan) would devise some better means of 'con-
trouling his successors than those -which a Noble
Lord had brought forward. After dwelling •on
these subjeas, he concluded by moving a Resolu-
tion, that the House would early in the next Ses-
sion take into their mitt serious consideration the
Aa of the 25th of George 111. c. 31. entitled, 'F'An
Aa for the Letter Regulation of the Office of the
Treasurer of thit Navy."
A short conversation ensued between Mr. LEI-
CESTZR, Mr: WHITZREAD, Mr. Dull s;
SnE,RIDAti, and .Mr. PEncrvAL; after which Mr.
Whithread'sMOtion was agreed to.
Mr. DUN DAs, Oeing a Noble Lord in his place,
wished to ask him whetheeit was his intention (as
he had formerly declared) to bring in any Bill for
the better Regulation of the Fisheries on the
Coasts ?

Lord TEmrt.E replied, that it certainly was his
intention.; but so many circumstances were .to be,
considered,' and so many opinions consulted, that be
found it impossible to do so in the 'resent Session.
He pledged himself; however, if 'he retained the
situation which 'he now held, to bring the subject
before the House early in the next Session.
Mr. HUSKISSON postnned the Resolutions of
which he had given. notice for to-day to Mohday.,
.Lord HENRY PETTY withdrew the Motion which.
he had, given. notice be would bring forward in the.
'Committee of Supply for making a 'compensation to'
the Commissioners of the Land Tax, because their
' claim was 'Complicated, and would 'require
investi-
gation. He proposed, however, to submit to the
.House a
,Notion on this subje& early in the next
.Session."