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• .GE b GE. .2') 0 3O`NI Y said, treat whet)

the for Mer Motion was made, it Was with the utmost
relktance that ie fjlt•himself compelled to give it
•
his negative. If then he gave that vote with pain, it
vas v ith particular sati'sfaetion that' on the'present
occasion he could -cordially join in,,giving
ptit.t his sup-
•." It was not the debts of Mr, Pitt that Parlia-
•
rent were called upon to pay, but it was, as an
Honourable- Gentleman had_ truly stated, the debts
of the Pike. For . a period of twe:tty years the
, Country had reeknized him intbecharaaterpfa Chief
Minister,, and supported him as such ; but unfor-
tunately.. th.ead4iven him too little to support_ this
exalted siation, Considering the rank and situation,
and comparing the sum (40,0001.) with the term of
his seryiees;,bis wonder was excited that.the amount
of his debts was SQ. small. Whatever occasions
Might have occurred in. which he had differed from
the Right HOn. 'Gentleman, he had done so' from,
Motives 'ofpublic duty, and. not from any personal
r4ncourw,aniniosity. Hp wished to be indulgent
to his failings.
Lord rOLKSTOAT could not agree with the
ground upon_ which the Hon: Gentleman seemed to
put the Motion. ,The public services of the Right
Hon. Gentleman, in his opinion, • 'Were not so emi-
nent as had been descrilaed. He could not admit his
Statesman-like talents, or. Public disinterestedness.
With ,iespe.6l. to the disinterestedness of another per-
son, a friend of the Right Hon. Gentleinan, the
manner in which that person had accepted of the
Cinque Ports, formed a striking contrast to the con-
duet of his friend. Thus much he was prepared to
adMit, with re,pea to' the disinterestedness of the
obje& of theiMotion.
Admiral HARVEY acknowledged the pre-emi-
nent abilities of the Right Hon. Gentleman, with
‘,•ll9fn he had on many. occasions concurred in senti-
ment', and upon oth.ers differed,' whenever he was

not -absent tip.on his professional duties.. He ex-
ercised that judgment which it wai hiS ~iuty to
exercise upon every vote which he 'had. given 5 but
upon this kii2.-lyt he should consider himseltungrate-,
ful, -while recognizing the services of the Right Hon.
Gentlernan, were h 6 not to join in the vote which
was how called for..
Mr,'/P:2l/...521%/ri.E.admitted the disinterestedness.

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Of the Right Hoii.„-Gentleruan, but did not consider
that qualificatioU s a sufficient reason for calling
upon the tioursof to agree to the Niotiori.. There
were.two quesiions in the case—first, whether the
salary was adequate to, the rank of the Right Hon.
Gentlethan ; and secOndly, whether the services of
the Right Hon'. Gentleman Were such as to entitle
hi-SI-lien:1510 all 'Upon the Country to pay his debts.
If the House were prepared to acknowledge the in-
adequacy of the salary, why then it would become

necessary to increase the future salary of the -Prime
.I.Vlinizter, in order that. it Might not furnish a pre-
text fbr a similar application at a- future period.—
Withresp-c6.1 to the'savices, he was, not inclined to
admit theni to the extent which Gentlemen who
wer: friendly to the Motion wished the House to do.
lle could not consent that Ministers should, by a
side wind;,ed.mycear (as this Motion evidently in-
tended to do) to ge,t: an approval.:of their eonduCt. •
I ,have heard Mr. Pitt called the Saviour of his
Connlry from a scene of anarchy. (Hear ! hear !)
glad;" said Mr. SMITH, « to hear Gentlemen
so Manfully reiterate the sentiment, and endeavour
to draw the -Holfse, by its vote, to a subsequent ap-
probation of their conduCt.--.--(A cry of No, no.)
hope the. Gentlemen will, hoWever, then rise and
tell' the House, that they really do not mean to call
into 'question the utility of those measures whith I
-and those with whom- I have acted have uniformly
condernned." Mr. 'SMITH • contended, that greater
. inroads had been committed upon the Constitution,
-• in consequence of the system pursued -by the
.Right
Moil. Gentleman and his adherents, than had taken
place since the Revolution: Was •itto be consider-
ed as a mark of eXtreme virtue that Mr. Pitt should
not cOndeseend. 'to peculate in order to enrich him-,
sclf. If he' had done soeit •Nyould have entailed dis- •
. grace upon .hithself. He; however, entertained a
' better opinion of the integrity of the Right Hon.
Gentleman, and was convinced he was above all such •
• mean considerations, His reason for disagreeing
with the Motion was, upon the grounds of the un--
suceessfuleitettions which the Right Hon. Gentle-,
man had made. . If the Friends of the. Right Hon:
Gentleman had judged it expedient, to open a Pub-
lic Subscription, Mr. Smith said, he would with
plea Sure have, 'Contributed his share-i but the ob-
jeCt of the present Motion, he was afraid, was mere-
ly_to get their own condn6t, sail& ioned by Parlia-
ment;' and therefore, lie -stiould;-on the grounds 'of
consistency with the vote he gave. oa a former evetl-.,
objeet to the Motion. • •••' ,
Mr. RUSE asserted, that the merit of his Right
lionourableFriendenow no more, was such asjustly
entitled him to the best wishes; of his
.Country, and
to every .tributeof respect and gratitude, both pecu-
niary arid. honorary, whiCh, she could. pay to his
Memory. 'That. the Honourable Gentleman who had
spoken lest, might not Suppose that the private friends
ofMr.Pittwouldnot gladly have prevented any appli
cation iTeParliarnent, had such a step been acceptable.
to his Right Hon. Friend himself, he (Mr. ilcise) was
. in condition to shew. A proposal was leak in the year
1788, when it was supposed'that it might have been
Mr.-Pitt'S lot to retirefrom•office; to present him with
100,0001.- ',An Honourable Baronet near him (Sir
P. Baring) had assured him_ (Mr. Rose) that the sum
could be got. in 48 hotirs. He tried 'his -Right Hon.
Friend on the -subje&-, and foupd him completely ad-
verse from it, declaring, that as he should answer to
God, no eeiisideration should induce' an to accept it,
and in -this resolution lie persisted, declaring, that if
he, felt himselfkaf uncomfortable, it was his determina-
t to return to his, profession. In the year 1801
another proposition was made to him, which he also
rejeCied.. !tie . could mention many more acts of
IliSinterested-rie and -magnanimity; but he thought
he had said—eiikiiigh Id justify' his voting for the Mo •
tion, and he. -would not any longer detain the House.
,Iti ailcc was convinced that the majority of
-the Country were sensible otthe sery ices, of the Right
Hon. Ge.ntleman.who was the object of the Motion.
His own opinion was, that Mr. Pitt had, by his
exertions, sheWn himself, under Providence, the.
:Saviour of -his. Country. •
justice.
Hone were called •
'upon to-do ail 'aft 'a 'of public.; The Right •
I ionourable Gentleman had a strong claim upon the
liberality of the .Flonse,

Mr. _
Mr. W. SMITH elplained.--.--He said be ineant,to
convey ho idea that the chara6ter of:Mr. Pitt was not
ve4ealy disinteTested. That was a feat* of the

rti;-sht- Hon. Geritlensan which required :no public
, -
testimony. •
.I\,slr. CUMMING believed Mr. Pitt to. have been 4
most excellent Statesman, and he,highLy.apProVed of
the present Motion.
Mr. EL. LISSOIV said, it had been his honour
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uniformly to support Mr. Pitt's measures.i. Fle-ebn-
sidered the motives by which that great Minister. was
aauated to haVe been pure and honest. He trusted,
that whatever difference of opinioutnight have pre-
vailed on a former -night, there would nonor be a dis•-•
sentient-v.oice,on the present occasion:
• Lord DOUGLAS wished to give this ivithont
reference •
to any political considerations; tie looked
upon the'Nloiion as an ata of generosity on the
part of a great Nation towards a servant of the Pub-
lic, but notes a man without blemiSh.
Mr. FOX—" I certainly did mean to give a silent
vote upon this occasion, because I did conceive that
if a general unanimity had preVailed, I should have
best expressed my opinion, -by simply observing,
that such a Motion bad passed nemipe
.contraciicente.
'But, Sir, that not being the case, I beg-leave to declare
to you and the House, that I never gave-a vote with
more satisfaction in my life than I shall do 'this
night in support of the Motion. :I conceive it to
be a tribute due to departed wortb-=the reward. of
a great and munificent Nation, to a meritorious Scr-:
vant of the Public. I will own, however,-that • the
manner in which the. motion was introdus:ed was not
calctilated, if I had been other Wise disposed than I
am, to induce ine to give it my assent. I consider
this question as perfealy distinCt from the vote of
,Monday.last; !but Imust, say a few wards with re-
spea to an expression adopted by an FlotL Gentle-
man on the other side of -the HOuSe, wlio; soak-
ing of Mr. Pitt, called him the Saviour of his Colin:-
try. Now, upon that subject I beg leave to •say,
•zthat I maintain all my former opinions quite unal-
•tered, as. they have constantly been from the rho-
. meat the Country was in the situation in whichit
appeared in the years 1863' and 1804, I cer-
tainly thought it expedient, and for the adVantage
of the Country, that the political debate and ani-
mosities Of those and former, times should, as far
as related to, persons, be buried in, oblivion. I
thought it would not be proper for me at_thet period
to take a great and princial share in the AdMinistra-
tion of the COtintit.-- I did not conceive --:ir'ssiould be
behaving in -the 'minter which l• have,ever4lt_toi•be
the rule of Propriety:. I thought, and. am convinced,
that Mr. Pitt had the same Sensation as myself: 'He
certainly did give the most ample testimony of his
wish to bury all animosities. From that time, though
:various warm debates nave occurred, I have cautious-
ly abstained from referring to those topics that might
excite former differences. .Ifelti that he had given un,
equivocal testimony Of hiS intention: I confirmed,
and we have mutually persevered in ourdetermina-•
tion;. I think, therefore, that.the House will do me
the justice to say,. that if I would not while he lived
touch on such subje&s, much less would I do so'now
he is dead. As far'-as , relates to me; :neither now
nor ever will I touch upon -them. Bet if' those
who were no parties to our mutual- determination
think other Wise, and that such' teipies'Onght to' be
discussed, I beg leave to state, that laM 'riot averse..;
from personal motives to-enter into them. .I con-
ceive it unnecessary to do so for reasons
think right I shall 'religiously 'abstain from any
mention of them. --The Right Honourable
man himself, when living,.diciso.generally.and sys-
tematically. I did feel a wish that he; should -form
part of the Administration of -thc. Country,
thought it not right at that moment_ .to hoe any. share
in ; I therefore deemed it improper:to-refer to his
former conduas If 'there had' been any words
in the present 'Motion expressive of any approba-
tion of his measures; it- would beimpossible that
it could be, adopted svith unanimity ; but I give:
my support to it because it is net liable to any such
objedion. To speak of Mr. Fitt, that he did not
descend:,t9 any improper measures with regard
to money, would be to, diShOnour his memory ;
but we are to consider -other 1-natters in which his
condua was equally unblameable. Mr. Pitt was .Mi-
nister for 20 years, and to the best of my know-
ledge, except the Wardenship of the Cinque Ports,
I-do not know9f,any one, office Collllts,OCd with him
of a personal 'natures. He had nut only the merit of
ageneral disinterestedness, but -possessed in every
particular that diStinguishing feature. It ,is ;indeed
a kind of testimony which, since the accession' of
the House. Of Brunswick, I' May Pay with equal
truth to almost every Prime Minister.
,I think Mr.
Pitt is intitled to' that praise ; and I think we should
- bestow it, in a manner, that if he!could know What'
Was now going on, it Would not give-him pain. The
Motion has my cordial support."
Mr. CANNING had hoped he should not have
been called upon to say any, thing in support of the
Motion.
.He hoped that in the little be should say,
he would not deviate from the candour and mode-
ration so laudably professed on the other side, but
used. at the same time as a'veil to throw over one or
two propositions in which he did not agree.. Some,
of the Gentlemen on the other side were Willing to
allow Parliament to discharge the 'debts of his late
Right Honourable Friend as a matter of e'enerosity
towards an 'old public servant. -He wished it to be
known,: however, that the friends of that illustri-
ous person would not be satisfied to receive. the
vote as an eleemosynary grant to posthumous neces-
sities—not as the boon of pity or cornpasSion—but
as a public debt to a highly, meritorious public ser-
vant. He was not from the beginning so, sanguine
as to expel?an unanimous vote ; he would not pur-
chase unanimity by conceding' a tittle of the set--
vices of that illustrious man. Referring to the pre-::
ceding night, he appealed to the House, whether it
was not on the other side that the topics of dissen-
tion were started I—Objections were made on that
occasion to the form of the motion:
.Theifault he
fbund with it was, that it sis-aS coldp4 ittildequate
to the feelings of those who supporteg it. . When -
the friends of the great man • who vilas'rtiliPsilibjeCt
of these Motions consented to: neutralirilhe ex-
pression of their feelings for the put pose:of:remov-
ing the ground's of opposition to the Motion—wben
theTresolved; instead' of dipping the,pedinto the
heart, to look into- the Statute Book for a preee-
defit—when they had lowered and. diluted every,
glowing feelingwhen 'the)y had restrained and chas7-
tised the order of their affeCtions, hi Order to con-:
stitote unanimity, the,result had added to the many
Fool's he* had seen
,in -the course. of his political
ife,slliat nothing was to be gained by cornpro-
rpise. Now the Hon Gentleman cauvasted para.