The Sun.
London, England, 1801-12-02 00:00:00

BREAD.

Mr. Alderman CURTIS brought up the Bill
for repealing cerrai? piets of His present Majesty,
relati% e to the Assize of Bread, which was read
first titne.

The c HANcgl,4o,) of the EXCHEQUER said,
he wished to state Am)), the grounds on which he

supmted the present Bill. The Bin cc:nmonly
called Alderman Skinnees Bill, had proved unsuc-
cessful in its provisions, and had not in its Opera-
tion answered the intentions either of those who
proposed it, or of the Parliament by Whom it was
erniaed. He could readily conceive, that previou,
,to'the Alts whiehit was now' proposed to repeal, it
was the interest of Bakers to ket...R down the Price
of Meal ; but that under those Atas there existed
no inducement to the Baker to keep down the Price
of Meal, the Price of Bread. bging,, thereby_direCted
to be fixed according 'to the -prices .of Grain and
Meal. it was thought, that if the PriCe.9l,-.Bread
was' axed 'acct Ling 'to the prices of Grain and
Meal,H Thatftlithre would -be less room for combina-
tion; experience, however, had proved the contrary.
He thought, that if any combination-existed„ whe-
ther more or less, that combination could be carried
on with much greater ease between the, Bakers and
the Mealnaen, who all lived nearly upon the spot,
than between the former and the Venders of Grain,
who came from different and distant parts. There
could be no doubt, that if the Price of was
fixed according to the Price of Grain alone, it would
he the interest of the Baker to beat down the Price
of Meal as low as the Mealman could possibly'af-
ford to sell it. He did not mean to make any impu-
tation against the Bakers, of unfair combination
lie believed there was no class against whom less
could be imputed in that respeti. He had many
objedions to leaving the Bakers to the discretion of
any Magistrate, even- of the Chief Magistrate of
London, He knew it had been said in the. year
177 a, when this subjeCt was agitated, that it was
a protection to the Baker, who might say, when he
demanded a 13rge price for his Bread in a time of
` dearth and scarcity, that it was not his price bot
the price set upon it by the Chief Magistrate of.
London. He believed also, that it was the wish
of the Bakers that their profits should be fixed.
He objetted, however, to fixing their profits, and
thought the only measure that ought to be pursued
-in this case was, that of getting rid of the Assize.
This application to Parliament had not been made
either by Bakers or by Mealmen' but had been pro-
posed with a view of benefiting the -Public, There
could be no doubt, that if the Price of Bread was
fixed only according. to the Price of Grain, that it
would be the itnerest of the-Baker to keep clown the
Price of Meal as low As possible, He was con.
vinCed„ hoWevir; after rnatoe consideration of the
subjea, that :the best and most effeatial 'measure
would be to let the Price of Bread And its own level,
and entirely to get rid of the Assize.
The Bill was then read a second time.
Mr. Alderman C(IRTIq. moved, that the Bill
he committed.

The CJIANCELLQR of the EXCHEQUER said,
he presumed the worthy Alderman only wished to get
the Bill into the Committee, that the Blanks might
be f►lled up, and the Clause's which had been alluded
to, might be introduced; but he hoped the worthy
Alderman did not wish them to. hurry the Bill, but
to give time for its circulation.
Mr. Alderman CURTIS said, it was far from
his intention to press a Bill of so much magnitude
improperly, or to take any, improper aclvanage:
he meant to propose to have it printed and.cirai-
lated.

The Bill was ordered to be committed to-morrow,

Mr. Aldermal CURTIS said, he should to-mor,
row propose, as an Instruttion to the Committee,
to make provision fur the purpose of making certain
Allowances to Bakers for Salt, Sze.
Mr. BR AGGE called the attention of the Houie
to the Order of the Day, for taking into considera-
tion the Resolution respecting the Interference of
Peers in Elections ; he said, as the House was so
thin, he should propose to put off the further con.
sideration of it till after the Recess. He therefore
moved to put it off till the Ist February, which
was agreed to.
Mr. NEWBOLT moved the Order of the Day
for taking into consideration the Poor Badge Bill.
Mr. SHAW LEFEI'RE disapproved of the pre-
sent -; but even if it were to pass, he thought
that; several alterations ought to be made in it,
therefore,4(shoilld propose to recommit the Bill,
particularly as an idea had been suggested of refer-
ing the whole system of the Poor Laws after the
Recess, to a Committee above Stairs.

Mr. NEWBOLT supported the Bill, and con.
tended,. that if the Hon. Member meant to propose
any ,amendments, he might do it upon the Report
being brought up, or by way of rider, on the third
reading.
Lord GLENBERyIE said he approved highly
of the Bill, because he had a most inveterate dis.
like to the plan of Badging the Poor ; it was put.
ting a stigma upon misfortune, while it was no
check whatever upon the idle and dissolute Poor.
When the Ad in question passed, it certainly was
not the intention ofi.the Legislature to make the
Poor wear badges as a mark of disgrace, but it
could not be denied that it would now be ',considered
in that light, and therefore he hoped that system
would not be continued. As to what the Hon. Gen.
tleman had said about referring the whole 'system of
the Poor Laws to a Committee above stairs, he
had never heard such an idea thrown out, and he
should have been very sorry to have heard it, be-
cause the House must recoiled that one of the most
able men that ever sat
,in that House, (the late
Chancellor of the Exchequer) in one of the most do.
quent speeches that ever was delivered in it, express-
ed his intention of entering into a revision of our
Poor Laws, but after having made considerable pro.
gress in it, he found it impracticable. to proceed.

Mr. ELLISON differed totally from the Noble
Lord; he by no means considered badges as disgrace,
ful to the Poor, though he hoped he felt as much for
their wants, and wpuld do as much to relieve them
as any of those who were of a different opinion
upon the subjet badging.—He should therefore
oppose the Bill, and this, system of new-fangled
humanity, which would only tend to encourage idle..
ness.

The CHANCZLLOR qftbe E4CHZQUER said,
every body knew the purity of the motives of the
Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, ,as well us of the
other Hon. Gentleman (Mr. S. LEFEVR e), who op-
posed this Bill, and was sorry it could be for
a moment supposed that any reflation could be
thrown out upon them. He confessed he was one
of those who thought ;hot too mods was sometimes

said in that House about die sufferings, and eccefit,
about the merits of the Poor. Benevolence-0,
6IG
caused language to be used which prudence vf°
c.
not warrant, and not unfrepently prevented the
complishrnent of those objects which it.wi3lied cor;
tain. There were occasions, however, upon Win,
feel,
it was sometimes impossHe to restrain one's
ings bat it would be Jiard, indeed, to consn
it as a stigma upon those who entertained differel
sentiments. Every body certainly approved of n
4310 f Elizabeth, but it. should be recuiletted-
the A6t now proposed toi?C (ef pled was, not rbg
of our old system of Poor Lkiwi. If if- 04fetfe,
was sure- it would- not find atili?prient rldt
ble Lord who had spoken upon thisYsubjea. yse
confessed he disapproved of the flan di Badgingb
Poor, upon the principles laid down by the N.°ll_,,
Lord, and therefore was decidedly in favour of Pr
Bill.
Sir T 110111,45 FR /1217. CL D said, he ill'
heard, from undoubted authority, that the Aay."
l'.ing William was considered merely as an expert
mental Bill at the time it was brought ; that
plan was imported from Holland, but that it to
succeeded in this Country.
Admiral BERKELEY opposed-the Bill lit
he had u} (..0 IL former occasion used the expresgif:
the arrogan._ et the Poor tiLe-faa he alluded
was, that some poor per#ons in his neighbl
hood, when they appliedfot relief, "threatened ji
Overseers, that if it was not granted they st°l
join the French,' who were soon expefted to
in this Country.•
Mr. ALEXANDER said, that though the ptri;
ties under the present MI had not been enforced".,
certainly was in the power of any person, pay,'
cularly in populous Parishes, to ruin an Oversee-F.&
The Report was then agreed to, and the P.
was ordered to be read a third time to-morroW•
se,
The Irish Corn' Impoitation Bill was read a
cond time, and was ordered to he committed tv-
A,
morrow.
The Hamburgh Naval -Store Bill was read a this
time, and passed.
Adjourned at haiflast seven o'clock till to-110.
row,.

From tke LQNDQN GAZETTev .etc. ;, 4801'

'got.
The King has been pleasedto constitute and sr,
point Sir Andrew Snape Hammond, Bart. He..6.0]
D,unean„ Es 9, Sir John Henslow, and Sir Wilin7l,,
q
Rule, Knights, William Palmer, Esq. Sir
Bellingham, Bart. Harry Harmood, Samuel 4-7,",f,
bier, Francis John I-Inkwell, Benjamin rocket,
Charles Hopei Isaac Coffin,. and Robert facohavt;
Esqrs, Sir Charles Saxton, Bart. John Nict,olo
Inglefield, Esq. and Sir Alexander John Ball, Btif3r.;
Priacipal Officers and. Commissioners of kik 1Y"
jesty's Navy.

awnivivrts in Mr West and East HalTlYollinteeT Assoc:AO
signed ly His 11,1qiesiy. PANci Oel!Gbr 19" I,Bqt.
Ensign William Sayre to, be Lieutenant vies igete4f,
ceased. Wm. Gren,b,ip,, gent. Wke gns3srs, vOc $'
roinotecit •

4,II,I.KRUPTs.
Michael,Bourk, late of Neva-square, London, sUiPsellEr'
sutrender December 5, xl, ankl January
hall, Att9rney, Mr. W. j4c,kw,p, Garclen-court,Tcfps,
Archer Whiting, or Long-twr.:- c.pAch-rnal.er, I.)Cces;local,
12, and titlary q, at ten, a: N., ui.10411. AttornYß v
Barnet:,'Solto.square. - rob‘i
Doniel Hodgkins, of Liverpciol, brush-l.ml"*.2lxt..,erse,,n'Da::;.ol:
22, 23, atft lanuary. r. 7, at twelve, at tlie. Globe io,_,..ett
Liverpool. Attornles, Mr. G. Rowe, Harrington-.s"Sch
Liverpool; or it,L;ssral Coooer and 1,.0we, South.:Anrr
~
Buildings, London. , It
Samuel Calvert, late of I,..iverpool, de;lcy,pccgrtba.re'esi
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thxe, 3t, at ten, at the otticre of Mess y. Lojlinsana ``ft
StatfOrd, and lanuary tz, at eleven, at the Crown,Ktwi.ito
StaffOrd. Attoriiies, Messrs. .Price and Wit14111%4
coin's. inn, London; or Messrs. col Zips and Kcen,,Stin,
George Merriman, now or late of Stockpott, thtesterici`is
December 29,3 Q, and [actuary 12, at twelve, at the Os,'•irs4
Spital, Lincolnshire. Atturnies, Mr. S. Fisher, '''cowr
burgh; or Mr. I. Spencer ItOung,.Carlisle-stmt
square.
Jan. S. John Claude Rieder, LIU of London-Hous
e4.3113'
bookseller;-at ten„ ' 104
Dec. 22. Cristopet Wetherherd,,, late •of Liverpool,. 1.
chant, at ten, at the-Star and Garter Taxech leivc•tr°ol's
Dec. 22. Stephen Artatal the Younger, of Pinner,. s'
keeper, at eleven, at Guildhall: ,
Dec. az. George Gwinnett, of Bristol, cotn,fael.°''
eleven, at the Kummer Tavern, Bristol. sll'
Dec. 29. George Fletcher, of Knightsbridge, haclali
stable-keeper, at eleven, at Guildhall. ~foorfi
Dec. 22. John Ashburner, now or late of Bolton-le-M
cot toil- sp i nner„ at ten, at Spencer's Tavern„ 111 arfelic.sio
Dec. 29. John Marshall and John Longcake, of Woritl
mercers, at eleven, at the King's-Anna, Whifehaven;./0
Dec. 24. Moses Eadon, of Manchester, merchant, at et`
at the Star Inn, Manchester. _,,p
Dec. 24. James Higson and Thomas Tasker, of Liver
linen-drapers, at three, at the Star Inn, Manebester.,,
Dec. 22. lames Bond, of Brightlingsea, Essex, butel"
ten, at the Three Cups Inn, Colchester. e.ett
Dec. 22. Thomas Millar and fames Hulme, of Mafic."Porl'
dealers in weft, at three, it the Commercial InPA
cheger.

CERTIFICATE.
Dec. 21. Thomas Parkinson, a Beverley, miller.

THE SUIT.

•OLIM QUI3 DICIRI TALsum ntlbsAT?

LONDON, DECEMBER z, 1801

If O.
Tests morning two of the six Hamburgh m-4104
which were due, reached Town. These
believe, the second and third. Our Letters
n(lj
these from Hamburgh, are dated the
1011
18th ult.—By these we learn, that. the 'Poste
were expelled to have entirely evacuated, the
noverian Dominions before the end of last
By an article from Milan, of the 24th of °'
appears that on the loth of that month an d
had taken place at Patio Ferrajo, the Iloilo
having been reinforced by soo Corsicans and Malt
o,.et
brought by Sir JOHN WARREN, and in consequeo
of which the Garrison had made a Sortie unticonduito
conduit of Mr. GRANT, the late Consul at 0,1
horn, and
gained some Cenllderebk adVarltag°'
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