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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

• WEDNESDAY, JUNE 18.
The House, in, a Committee; on the Motion of
Mr. VANSITTART, divided _the Assessed Taxes Bill,
Mr. Hoßnoust in the Chair. The two Bills ,Were
then reported,. and ordered to be considered on 'Fri-
day next.
• Sir Joniq BxxrcAut, adverting to the constant ad-
cidentslhat occur in consequence of the improper
number of persons couveyed.on the outside of stage.
coaches, and stating a .cirLumstance of two persons-
being killed a few days ago, by the breaking down.,
of a coach,' moved for leave to bring in. a Bill-to
amend the 30th of the King, comstionly called .Mr,
Gammon's A&, to preventthe carrying of more than.
a limited number of persons,'. and for the better re--
gulating the condua of, drlvers; which Motion Was
agreed to. .
Mr. NT4Nst.rrAwr gave notice, that' the Army Ex-
traordinarics should be moved in the Committee of
Supply 'nil
•Friday next., . . ,
The 'lrish Post Itoads Bill: on the Motion of Mr.
Fosrmt, was passed,and ordered 'tn the Lords.
Mr. B.ASTAiin moved, tthat there be laid before the.
klonsetopies of the Orders issued to the Volunteers
and Yeomanry, from the Secretary of Stateaod Se-:'
Cretary at War, since the Ist of February, 1806,---
Ortlered.
Lord Fottc.sToNE observed, that it was in the re-
cnlleaion cf the, House that 40,000]. hadbeen voted
for the payment of the debts of itlaelate Mr. Pitt,
• but he Understood that the sum of 41,000. 1 Us.
had been issued 'for that purpose. He theref4;re
moved that there he laid before the- HoAe a Copy of
the Order ,for i,:sningThe sump of 4,1,0001. '163. ,tn, F,Arl
ChathHni.and the Bishop of Lincoln, E:,:ecutors ofithe,
late Right I-lon. William Pitt, for the payment of his -
1. Dcbt ;' which Motion was seconded by ;Lord Mark-.
hain,. and agreed to.

_
, • MARQUIS v;ELLEsT,EY. • t jodicialrettlations, that to pursue Sehetl. Clap
• quest aol iiggrandisement was a misdemeanour.; and
On the Motion of Lord TEMPLE, the order of the
day for taking into consideration the Charcre. against it expreidy and specifically
tileddireur Government
in Inc'i i -o rserve to the h a' I'l
Marqtis 'Wellesley having- been read, b ,: , o. ail 110 ‘ ers, the
.
Mr. PAtTLL Moved, that, the Charge be now talcen Zentindass the -Rajahs, j.kc.. their several rights:3s
. , As these iniatißaidrlS N,v ere colttained in the sage
into cOnsideration.
Aes.t by which the Court of Judica' tore to whet-
Mr. BA NKE,S,. in rising to propose that the sub-
jeCt should be dismissed entirely.from the considera-, ,Ito had before alluded was established, notintio- .
n that it iff a's intended, that
tion of the HOuse, and in endeavouring to persuade could be more clear tha
the House to coockir with him in opinion,apprehend- the offences Created by the, Aa s,hould come, witlutt
the Cognizance of that court. That this was Yeallv
ed that no more could be expeaed.frotn- him than to '
the case ova; decisively and dneontrevertibly prod'
shew that theCOUrse proposed by the Hon. Gentleman
by this cirminstauce; uamely, that thy; only offence
g
i tended to brill the Charg e terainst Marquis Welles-
-ley before a tribunal which cold not do jtastice to it, ,pre,piised to i>e tried by- that Co-art :sinee•the pftssieu-
of the Aa was of .the ispecific nature' whith 11.
1 and,to follow a precedeTht wifichall mnst lament ever '
I alledged that the'.Court, was comßetent to try.—
' exiSted...-The Legislature, conscious •of the elebility
.This was the case of Mr. Holland,'.oti.Nihi-eh72l.ldnecr
of the two 'Houses of Parliament to discharge similar f.
argument-had heel,- held- before L-errd--Kenyon,--iu
duties to those which the Hon. Gentleman now .
.the Court of Kitis.,-'s I.3eneh, on en in-formation against
i wished_to imp)se, on thern, had especially. ProV ided a ,
.L., him by the Attorney-LC.Leneral, for 'crimes which.
Mode' of trial for offences committed in India.
. Were distinaly of a general ancl political nature.=
i .adverting to the great inquisitorial powers 'of Parlia-
JThe Hohoutable G,entletnan • here. read severs
1 ment, lie beesged to be understood to speak of them.
of the Counts to prove- the truth of . hi.S.asser-
-1 with the utmost veneration. Fi'ornthese powers the
•
I most salutary consequences.had resulted ; and hael. it -.- .) (1 , c the Ad N.3,3-'3 con-
} .ThiS aii eviried that • ' • '"
, not been for them we should not at this moment sidered . clearly .to embrace the politica. condua
of the Servants of the -East India Company, and
I enjoy our liberties and -the 'security we possessed of
not merely the peaulatiols'. The case was disputed
I their continuance. But this, as well as every other
-
At gr
eeat length; many exceptions were taken, some
right and of Parliament, (night to be sub-
Wer allowed; others' diztiloWed; but it never' 'oc-•
jea-to sound discretion. There:Were cases Which it
curred to the Counsel or to the Court, that the Aft
would be unwise to bring before the consideration of
did not apply to tlie subjea.. of accusation. (The
' that House, or Carry as matter of acensat i outo the Bar p
Honourable Gentleman here quoted' the observa-
of the other. If there was a case peculiarly unfit fin. who. said, that the great
such proceedings, it. wag that complex case,nOw the ~.tighs of Lord IC-erlY",
1 • .s eI : difficulty .of investigating offences in- India had
suoject. of his obserYations ; avase analogous to that '
been ne,trlytantarnount to indetnnity to the offenders.
of Nlr. Hastings''; for he contended that the Charge e.,
and 'that. the Court of King's Bench was then, for
on the l';able of the House was pot less-coinplicated ;
the first time, called upon to'proceed on an Aa by
that it rested can no smaller variety- of eiremnstances ;
which-it was .hoped that a reineciy would be applied
that it,depended on no smaller a mass of evidence
to so serious-.aq evil.) Semen of the counts in this
than that in whiCh the mode of impeachmen't had .
lofortnatioo were dismissed, a writ of error was sub--
been resorted -to with so little credit either to Pat--;
,sequently moved, for by the Crown, to endeavour to
liarnent or the Country. It comprised the transae-:
re-estabEsh those • writs. Mr. Holland, however,
lions in Oude for forty years. It comprised the
absconded; and all further proceedings ceased. He
whole political, tinaOial, and cenitnercial relations
. had heard it said, that he had let the proper time
Which that large Pl-ovince boreto our Indian Etn-
pass for' rookine his propost(oo, and that as the
pire. ' It comprised' 'a minute. exantinatidn of :the
House 44, go4e so.. fat,. i_t .was ne.T.e,ssary that they
whole administration of Marquis .Wellesley for five
s.hould come to some decision on the question. To
years, as conneaed with• that important Pxovinee. - certainly 'knew an HMI.
The Honourable Gentleman who 'orought forward, this he replied, that- tref
Gentlemen had m,..ved fora considerable number of
the Charge had stated, that Marquis Wellesley set
Papers on the subi?a, bUt matil he knew the particu-
, out With a 4ixed design of .subverting. the Govern-
l'ar iip)lication ol' those Papers, notwithstanding the
I.l)cht of . the independent 'Nabob of that Coun-
try, contrary to all the existing Treaties' 'between , general Charge ntade.by the Hon, Gentleman, he
could. not be expeeted to divine what was its precise
him and the British Government, and contrary
to all the Guarantees by which the fniiihnent . natt4re• When the Papers were laid on the Table,
though they were numerous and various, yet he could
of those Treaties had been, Secured. .That the
not- tell but they-, mi,ght 'cont,dn Matter 'which it
Noble Marquis. had persevered. in ' molesting that
would he fitting for ti-.e House to entertain. He had
Prince, and infringing his rit;lits ; andthat when af-
ter having, by his crooked policy, forced, from the . no reason likewise to believe, that , the opinion of
-other Members" Was as strong- on the inipropriety of
Nabob the surrender of half his 'te,a-itory, he had,
by exactinn and oppression, driven manYof the land- I til, mode- .01n'''stig'ition proposed as his "'Yin 3 bed
holders to resistance to his assumed power, he had re- I lie alone therefore. suggested adistoissal of the bosi.
reseees
,! ness, Meters it was aSeertaitied tirhat form it might
to war and violence as the tIiMIIIS ofsup
he sensation that his conduct had created. .He Wonld take, he would jotly have been accused of precipna-
task; whether, in a question which embraced such a ' tion. When the charge Rrst made its appearance in a
variety' of complex matter, on which such vokinit, , substantive shape, he had shortly delivered his senti.

.(• .
merits on kite subject. Two idditional. Charge.;
since been preferred hilt as no piestion hadarisen oil
either of them, he did-not think himself justified in
calling the attention of the House to his' opinion. The
present was the, first opportunity, that oifered itself.;
It was the first question on which the House wag-,
called on lo'say aye or no. The right of preferring
charges was so strongly recognised, thatit was impos.
Bible for the House to refuse to receive them; but he.
denied that having received,- the thiuse was bound
to entertain or countenance •them.- Even 'in cases
in whiCh the Elouse had proceeded some way, they.
ithirnately hadnrefusend to come to a deciSioh. Some:,
times they had simply dismissed the sqhfjea, with-
Put saying whether the parties. were in the right ,or
in the wrong. -(The Hon.Genileinan cited. the ,var.
iious Ca(ses of Chief Justice Hales in 1667, 61 Lord
'Orrery in 1669, and,. f, Lord Coningsbynin the reign
• of William, to shew,that there had exited no coiftir
culty in the HPuSe lib dismissing causes from their
'cognizance under different circumstances.) ,s.vas.
- •
aware- that the line f which he urged . • 0.1'6:

House to adopt looked like. a.denial -of investigation
So far he knew it would be Against the.
.wishes of.
the Noble Marquis and his frieeds,. for' whom, he
felt the
.greatest respea'. It was ; natural for in-
nocence to court.inquiry. He was. conviuced that
Noble, Marquis,. was,,aw;ities thlt his. coudua
should be fully canvassed ; but he would not give up
•cihat appeared to him to he a sound principle for tile
sake of personal regard ancf personal friadship. . A'
concurrence with the wishes'LtSf the Noble Marquit'
and his friends Would seduce the ileusefrom.the
plain line of their diner, and Might eVentually lead
the House-into a situation in.which it was impossible.
that any man could be desirous that thby should place.
themselves. It was said that the Charge by various
means had got tb the Public,; he would reply; so intiq
the exculpation; and he could not suppose the Pub
lic anxious to read the accusation and be'regardless of
the defence. He did not 'deny, that if the House
event into a consideration of the Charges, it would
be afterwards competent to them to instruct 'the.
Attorney General to' move 'for an information in the
Court of Kiug's ..BenCli; but as, by the ACI of.
1784, a discretion was-vested in' thd Court pf
Bench, that investment seemed to imply that such
a discretion was in sorne 'measure taken away from'
the House of Commons. It would be a great
anomaly for the House to take the previous steps,'
mid thin, depa'rtini from known 'cases, to prose*:
cite by the Law Officers of the Croten ; and there-•
sore, though he did tiot absolutely deny the compe-
tence of. the House 'so to ..sta.; yet he did hope.
that they would determine that. the prosecution,
if any, Should be immediate,, and not through
the medium of. Parliament. With regard to the
merits of the question,, he had cautiously abstained
from touchino--upon them-, as he thought it his dutT
so to do. The Hon.. Gentleron' here recapitulated
his.various.argqmentg, and ,concluded by giving his
negative-W.llle Motion.• • ; '
ArEstER- of tliiAkOl:LS.'declarect that he
should-be individually 0-lad if the House could adopt
coirrse-Wh 'Who: had justi sat
down, Iftaose(l6 to pursue, • titnSistently With their
Auty artetheir privileges.-- But: it. -appeared to him
that the- Principle maintained by his HOn..Friend.
*ent-to preclude the Houe in almost every case froit
fh.exercise of their inquisitorial pe‘Vers,and More
especially in those cAseg which demanded mOstioudly
the exercise of thoSe powers: He allowed that there
were incOnenjencieirithe m d odYproce6difig Which
XiS•Hon:-Friend depre6ated, but fakieothe rood and
the ill-together, helfibuiht it-was much better for the
House to mitt-ere to the' practice of 'their ancestors,
and-not to exercising 'their undoubted rightSi
because certain inconveniencies were inseparable from
such exercise. His Hon. Friendasserted that impeach-
tient ought only; to take 'place in cases of absolute ne
sessitye and when no othercourseef proceeding could.
be resorted to. /lad-that beeb the Usage's?' Besides;
*hat was -imp&achmerit ? Tl* prosecution .of. a
crime; and vherever acrime existed it must be pi-o-
secuteel:in some way ,or• - other, thOugh the House
uhould. pass-it Mitibriced:- 'HisHon7 Friend did not
vtintend- that the Aa of 1784' abridged the- right • -of
the lious, he only centendedlhatthe tribunal point-
-ea out by that Mt was betteradarited to subjects- such
to tj-ett before the House, except iir eases of absOlule
necessity. He doubted this. -He doubted whether-,
'even in point of e4edition,
.tn-trA could be expert=
ed from,' Stich u tribunal 'not Much, at least, 'if
the Houieve- re to judge frotri what had occurred
in the case:alluded to by his HOn- The in
ibrmati6n'in'that case lialbeen 17f11.', In
1194. the Court of King's'ench had-gotthe length
Only of examining the forni'of the hiforn'tation. In
'two years More; -perhrtps; thercorreci.-thrm of the in-
fOntation -might -11 ave, bien 'aseeiraitted. • Thus, it ap-
peared- that this mode of proceeding.--WaSseely lesS
tardy than the case sa'strcliqly -insisted dpon of -Mr.
Hastings. By-agreeing to.discuss the-present Charge,
the -House by no means pledged themselves to
, send it ultimatelY to an Impeachtnent. The Noble
arclthi4. might be comple-teljesonerated'e or-if the.
W'nsationfagainst him•-t‘e4 deeined.worthy of fur
!her inquiry, it might then become a' twitter-of -Corr-:
sideration,v;thether that inquiry should. proceed by
Vachnient,or by thb wj prescribed in t heACI Of 1784.
/lir Hon. Friend seemed to'think that there -e.-duld
tiOi difficulty in thislatier mode, becauSethe Aelgave
a disCretion to the 'Coart 'of King's Bench ; but this
'difficulty, if it-was one,.cxisted in every criminal pro-
secution direCted by the-House of-Commons at com-
mon law; for in these ea seS the Court Might differ
l'rom' the lidnse in their estimate of the oilence, and
cltidare that not to be-a crime which the House: had
ordered should be prosecuted... For his,-own. part,
he had g4teat. doubt whether or 'net the offences
imputed to Marquis Wellesley-were cognizable by'
the East India Judicature, or within the meaning Of
the framers of the Aa. The words of.the Ad were.
". Extortion and Misdemeanours." ' Now, when any

specific offences were just pointed out in an Act, and
keneral terrns followed, those general terms tnUst
always be -considered -to apply -to offences: of a less
heinous desCription, and not to those of a greater.
It was. undoubtedly trnes that the crimes with which
Mr. Holland had been charged were of a. political
nature. So far his Hon. Friend had certainly some
authority,fcr his opinion ; but it' \vas probable that
in that case the party 'accused was not advised that
be might objea to the mode of prosecution. Sup-

posing, however, that the qUestion rested.not on a
consideration of. the strip positive law,• but on cbn-
siderations of propriety, he would then. contend that
the House had got into a situation in which it would

;be injUdicksass to dop the:matter. Hie s:vished that
his Hon. Friend had offered hi's suggeation at an
`earlier period. On. the: first Motion of an 'Ion:
Gentleman f)r Poper, there-was a Flutlicient open.
ing for such an observation. - It must, ,of necessity,
,have
,been seen, that those Papers would relate to
w s
the hole of the transaaiona in Oude, fronis the,
comfriencement : t fie.conchision of Marquis Wel.
lesley's Adm'ini'stration. Now, after -a twelve-
month shad„passed-iii forwarding the accusation,
for the House to say that they were in error, that
they had.- Mistaken the objeft of 'the accuser, that-
thesspow aaW to what he pointed,' and that they
will give no opinion on the business, great and
important as it. was,
.would, in his .opinion, he
a most unsafe and unwise proceeding. If this
were' tolerated, a malicious- prosecutor (he was
far from imputing that charasaer, to the Ho-.
nourable Gentlernau . had
,brought forward 'this
husiiiesSs-liiigtit'enjoy the satiSfaCtiOn of throwing
doubt' dti• the condu6.l of the-person he accused, and
', of a strong impression on. the public'mind,
which the refusal of the defence plight prevent from
ever being etfaced. Would this be fair? or was it a suf-'
ficient'auswerothis 1-kmlol:lend that the matter might
',become a subjea- of :Newspaper controversy ? His
Hon. FriPnd asserted, that the sauce medium through
which the accUsationshad,heen conveyed to the pub-
lte, 'Might likewise 'eanVeY 'the -defence. What !
When wadi weighty and important Chargea were pre-
ferred as those exhibited against the Noble Marquis,
would it.be just to leave' lie charader of that Noble
Lord to such a tribunal ?, As' the House had not,
slopped the' proceedingin limbic., he felt that they
were bound to give an opinion, What that.opinion
511910 be, .he would .abatain from touching upon
as cautiously as his Honourable Friend; With re-,
gard to the necessity of an IMPeachment (if any fUr-
thter proceeding were resolved upon), he had sheivn
that it did not exist, and that the mode preferred- by
his Hon. Friend might,
.if the House, thought proper;
'be pursued. All his Hon. Friend's obje&ions tathe
Motien, therefore, on this score, ended in nothing.
He was,firmly convinced that it was indispensiby in-
Cumbentun the House to make up their minds, and
comp to some'opinion on the subje&. He deprecated
arguments, the tendency of which was to deOreeiate
the powers of investigation which the House•ofC,:otri,
mons;possepsed, and
.to shew that the House were:
inadequate and incompetent to consider details of
importance. The •concltiSion would be, tO restrain
them from interfering with questions of this nature
.altogether. He was aware that his Hon. Friend by,
nes means wished, to accelerate this conclusion, but
such certainly was.the tendency of his arguments.—
On- these grounds he must support the Motion.
Mr. Secretary FOX could have wishettto accede
to the proposition of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Bankes)
'if the nature of the case
se would
regularity of the,
proceedings of the House, would admit of it. Ie
teas ofOpinionthat the Honse should ip one wayar
other= came speedily to same decision on the question,
and with.as little embarrasanieut.to the public as, the
circumstances oftthe.case would, allow. 'With this
view hefelt that it was extrensely desirable'to devise
sotheanode of quickening 7the protress of the cause.
If oral evidence was to be, saxamined at the Bar,tand
the examination were to litscas long, as the examina-
tion of evidence' in a former case, (the • case of W-
ren Hastings) it would he • absolutely iMptissible to
come to any decision' during the 'present Session. He
had reason. to believe, however, that the examination
Of evidence would not extend to any such length but
when he considered the manner in which such owl-
denceWas to be produced, 'by taking down the ques-
tion s first, and then the answers it apueared to him
possible to bring the case to a decision in the ordinary
course of proceeding iii this Session—impossible, he
said, with regard to the convenience of the House. s
for. he was aware it 'might be Said, that itwas the
duty of the King's Ministers not to advise his Ma-
jesty to prorogue Parliament fill this business should
be brought to a conclusion:- There was certainly
much in that consideration, butahapgh it was in his
Majesty's discretion \not taprprogue,:Parliament, it
was not in his Majesty's poWer to compel the at-
tendance of Members; afleast such atrattendance as
wouldamable the House to proused effedually -with
the'business: His wish unquestionably would have
.beeti to vote for the proposition of his Hon. Friend.
The disposition of his mind was warped in favour 'Of
that Bourse; not With 'any desire to avoid the labbur
of personal attendanrce in the other.courser but in
order that the investigation should proceed with 'as
tittle inconvenience as possible to the public bust-
neSs. .. He .agreed entirely.ins a great part of the
speech of his Hon. Friend, as well as in a great part
of what had fallen from him in a former instance on
the same snbjea,, which had been egregicsasly
construed'. He agreed 'With the sentiments' of likS
I-lon. Friend because 'he had 'in .4 diitina'and•unqua=
lifted manner aecognized the inquisitorial [salver et
the, 'l4beg"e, - which' enabled it to -detea •delih2
titre:net and ip Kiing•gissat public offenders to jits-
tices He soneurrtd• alsq in a great part Of the,prac'
tical observations of his.
,Hon. Friend with iesispa
to the'exerciae of thisimportant function of Parlia
rent. ' This was is power, however, which
thought. would be best preserved by being' rarely
exercised's But agreed With the teamed Gen-
tlerrian who spuke last, that this was a poworwhich
should-never be resorted to but in cases of sixtreiiie.
nedessity. If \s-ii 'a4 funcaion-that ought to •be ex--
erciSed in es'-ery case
,in which the honour of the;
.
Crown, the honour, of that .House, or the honour
Of the Country, was concerned. Yet such was his
partiality for the argument of his Hbn. Friend; that
he should klifdly :vote, for- his propositions if lie
had not serious doubts how far he could, with
propriety, support his Motion. One of his doubts
arose from the pointsof time at which it was brought
6i-ward., He: .isliraitted,avith
_the Learned Gentleman,
that they had gone nearly.half way already in the busi-,
tress, and that injustice to the accuser and accused,
afte'r the procluelionofsuch.volUmindus Papers, they
were bound to come to aometinal decision upon the
case.. But lie Could not agree with the Learnacl Gen-
tlemanthat because these voluminous Papers had
been produeed, the House was precluded from re-
sorting to any other course . of proceeding; if
these Papers shouild shew that any Other course
was loss burthensome, he did not Mean in a ilium-
cial,view, but less troublesome to the Public, more
consistent with the dispetch ofpublie business,
and equally condusive to the ends of justice.—
The House was therefore not resttifted from pursu
ing. any'wher coarse that might appear niosesde-
sirable. As'to what had been said by the Learned

eiitlet is ; _with resne&to the .obligation on the a
House, underhe present ciretimstarices, to pro Led;
he considered it, was unanswerable,; because, as the'
Hotise had ,:already made an order. fiat' taking' the.
Charge into COnsitleration, that votgbOufid them toesa:
tertain it. The House wha of couraelacat Aied down
'to the 'present moment, but. ai'as 'pledged ,to take
the Charge into Consideration. at aome. tame or Other:
On this ground, therefore, the, proposition. of Ilia-
}ton . Friend, appeartid &fetal), inadmissible, though
on a former occasion it might have been with•pro-
priety acceded to by the HOuse. When the motion
was made that the Charge Should be taken intOcona
slieraiion on a particular day; N'aS' the prOper time
for chewing why it should not be_taken. into con-
sideration 'at all, and for the proposition 'of his Hon.
Friend.; but as the former order had been made;
it was now too late to rescind• . :With respea,
to the Alts of 1784 and I'7Bq, he acknowledged
that, when ,he entered the House he had strong
hopes that the charges might he referred to the,
Tribunal created by these AEts. The a. words, of
the. Acts are, " extortion, (meaning extortion for
individual profit)aatid other misdemeaneuraa"but the
Learned Gentle Man was of opinion:, that 'the Tri-
bunal under the Aa was not competent ton), any
other Charge than extortion,, except inferior offences
of the same description. His. own opinion was,
that the jurisdidion of .that Tribunal extended ato
other crimes; but he had no difficulty in deferring
to 'the authority of the Learned Gentleman, and
to admit that his. cOnstration of the A& was the
what
right one. .But , had been stated by the-Hon..
Gentleman opposite, relative to • the case of Ha.,
land, was inconsistent with that doctrine.. They
had also the authority of the Court of King's Bench
on the stabled. The -Attorney-General in such
cases does not file, but move for An information
and • When the Court grants 'the information,
,upon
such motion, it is a proof that the' proceeding is
consistent w,ith the flaw, at 'least it gives the atatho-
ritv of the Court in favour of that process. But
it had'-been stated, that theaccused in that case had
nct an opportimity, of stating his objections., He
was ready to admit, that if the Bill was to Subsistait
should he considerably altered, with a view to public
utility. The-Learned ,Gentle Man had stated, that
all descriptions of Offences : might .be brought before
some one of the Other Courts. Undoubtedly, there
was no criminal a& that 'was not cognizable in the
Court; of King's Bench. But though the Court of
;King's Bench bad the legal jurisdiction, it was not
practically competent to try all ['minter of ofrences,
and therefore it was that this Particular Tribunal had
been eae&ect, in order that Parliament Might not be
embarrassed by, the investigation of Charges, the
proofs of which 'were .'to, be drawn from 'a great
distanee, and to occupy a considerable time. Net-
withstanding what had been said by his ;Hon.
Friend, .and. his own partiality I. to his arganients,
it appeared to him impossible that this, charge
could be sent before: that Courn With respect to
the question ,of .impeachment in, general, hewas
:ready to say, that he was then determined,
,whatever
might be the result Of the inouiry, (Ovote against
the impeachment. deter alination ay asas strong
as it could possibly. be, mid pot liable to be shaken
by any result of the investigation. As to impeach-
Mews on India questions, he admitted, that he had
taken 'a considerable -"part ~ inducing the ,HOuse
to prosecute the impeachment of Mr. Hastings.
But without weaning any disrespe& to the Tribunal
of the House of L6rda,-he shbuld_not be desirous of '
resorting to it on Such occasions, because he thought
it 'impossible to obtain justice on complicated Charges
concerning:distant transaElions, and requiring a te-
diods process and accumulated evidence to substan-
tiate them. But supposing Marquis Wellesley to
have miscondu&ed himself,- and that this should be
made out (fpr if otherwise there could be no•qties-
tien at all on the -stabled), what had the House 'to,
do ? He was of opinion that 'their sense of such
condo& would be,sufficiently marked by declaring
it. If any other eourse was 'to be adopted, he was
atire it would, be involved in- difficulty. There were
certainly many anodes by which' the House could
sufficiently attain its obje& avithout impeachment.
For one, be hopecla that whatever may be the result
of this inquiry, no impeachthent would be resorted
to. With regard to the mode in whicila the Honse
could proceed with the inquiry with any- prospe& of
bringing it to a, termination this Session, he had but
one to suggest. He was aware that, when he men-
tioned this, it might be said to him, that lie wanted
to avithdraw.hituself from the labour of the inquiry.
But whatever may. be said,' he could :not think of
any other mode of attaining the,oble&. The mode
that occurred .to" him was, that' the House should
meet at ten o'clock some day, and proceed that day
with tho evidence till five o'clock, when the public
biasiness should be gone through.; and so from day
.tb day, till the who. .evideliLe slqinkt be gone into:
It avouldbe easily admitted, that from the situation
he had the houbuieto fill it/ would 'be 'impossible for.
hiln to attend ; and he should not recommend-this
course to theiHouse if he could point out any other,
It had been stated to UM that -the Oral evidence
Would not ,last long. • If so, what he suggested
would 'not be necessary: But if-it should extend,
to'atav tength'of time, h 4 Could see no other -way of
getting. through it but by the adoption of some
gorous, proceed ing, which would secure them against
that absence of Members that would render it im-
' possible to proceed. , Another objection he felt to.
the ordinary mode of proceeding was, that if the
examination of oral, evidence 'were to last' long, it
might have the effed of preventing a decision during,
the present Session. He agreed with the Learned
Gentleman, that in justice to the accuser-and ac-
eosed, the House ought to come to a speedy decision
on-the Charge. It' was necessary to the charader
of the accuser particularly, that lie might. not be
Chargeable with cieatiug delay, because he would
,find it difficult to exonerate himself altogether from.
the imputation.. It was desirable also' to those ,who
thought tlat Lord Wellesley was chargeable with
criminality, that a decision should take place with-
out delay. And it would readily beadmitted,that
'some decision Was extremely desirable to Lord Wel-
lesley, in order that he might be relieved from
:the
painful, anxiety which he must feel Whilst 'sucli.a
,Charge \vas hanging,over

The Charge was then ordered to be taken into
consideration; and, on the Motion of Mr. PAULL,
tic Charge was n*rred to a Contniittee of the whole
House, togethe'r - with die several Papers and Ac-
/
connis on the,subjea.' ,
The H- use having: regolved , ipt-Q a Comlnittee;
Lord Kith:stone in the,Chair,

PAULi. i-ric);.-eci, tip't Lord

The 81;EAkEit informed tiie Hon:G ntierr<;7; that
according to the praEtice of the rfintisk, the Caning.
in of Witnesses- ordered to attend . was maCter of'
course, not of mutton, and that the OtliCer&' would
take care they come in when Ceilled.
Lord Teignmodih xl/4.a then called,in; and acconi:-;
modated with .a chair, within the hir";

In the course tlf the examinAtion _ME GA,Ritov,;-
.objekFted' to a question relatiVe to the cdritents of and
of the Treaties with the Nabob ofOude, the answ:r
to which was contained in the TeOtieft oti the table
but theobjeetion vas over-ruled.

Mr. GARROW also objealed to questions of opinioii
generally; as "not atrording legal evidence by the•anj.
savers, and 'Contrary to the practice of-the Con.ils
below; though he was not prepared to deny that.
such evidence tight be cokisistent with the usage of
nnliarrient„ A long conversation arose upon-ILA
subjea, in which it was contended on 611 C Side, ti

matters of opinion were competent evideno on d
Parliattentary "inquiry; which was only prclitziivart
fo 3 prosecutiok ; and on the other, that as all'
deuce waS res6lfted to for the disccri7ely of truth, t

nearer they could keep to the legal rules of evidence,
the better prospect they hart of being right.
objetStion was over-ruled ; and in the course of thi-3
discussion, Mr. WINDI-A NI said of tire Learned Coun.

Sel, that though the Learned Centleman admitted hl4
having strayed from Westminster Hall to that Hou,N;

.
yet, when there, he'seemed to have forgot that 11.(.:
was .not in Ntrestminster Hall, and talked :I'S if
had bean in .the place from Whence became, The
question on which the dischssion arose was,,.'' whe
ther Lord Teigninotith would have th'ought Lim•-•elf
warranted in omit uink as ,Resident at Luclimw.l-,

after a remonstrance trom the NaboL, ofOude again ,t
his continuance there?" The. question being
-cided in theatrrmativt, affirmativ...., Lord Teignmooth was min
called, and his m e:-,:an:atinn proceeded in. -

• On the motion of Vlr. WALLACE, the Noble Lord
vtr,as ordered to withJraw, for the purpose of Jllow•

in an opportunity to present a/Petition from sevemt
EreEtors, com o. plainin olihe rreturl for the Count

,Of Wexford, which C.:ould, not be pre3ented-ater '
o'clock this night. :Air. Wxuticn accordingly pre
-
seined the Petition, which was ordered to'be taken
into consideration on Thursday, July 3.
The House then went again' in to the Committee. In
answer to several questions from Sir A. Wtt.t.v.st.Ei,
LordTeignmotith described the Administration .of
Oucle to be very defealvv, and to requke the.con.;
start: support of a British in the
oi-
dinary transactionsof colletaing the revenue, stc.
A question from llo&or LAWRRNCE, as to hal;itg
of ihroxic.ktion in the Nabob, was objected to by Mr.
WTALLACE, Sir A. WELt.sESIA;Y; and Mr. W. YOLF,
as leading to improper disclosure ; and defended by.
hfr:-JouNs-rovE nod Lord 4. kik:sit uroN, tenct
ingla spew that theSe habits were resorted to in con
sequence of the oppression the Nabob was chbject-
ed to. The question was at length put; and Lord
TeignmOuth allowed that the Nabob Sadut Ally
was addiEted to intoxication.

The examination of Lord Teignrnouth was then
continued by Mr. PAULL, NIT. BAnWRST, Dr. LAW-
RENCE, Sir A. WELLESLNEY, BEC. It turned chiefly
on the capacity of the Nabob to pay certain sums of
.money to the Company without oppression to his
subjeais. Soon after twelve, his Lordship's further
attendance was tliqmnscd with.•
The House was immediately resumed, the Chair,
man reported progfess, and it va Ordered that
Committee should sit again this day. •

A long and desultoriconversation ensued on the
Ferruckaad Charge, aiid on the thaie this day when
the .Dude Charge should be proceeded with. The •
Order of this day 'for taking into consideration the
Ferruckabad Charge, Was discharged; and it seemed
to be generally understood, that the Oude Charge
would he determined orythis Session, but that the
remaining charges must.be postponed to the next,
• Mr. PAULL expressed hiS.Confidence that ' two. •
_ _

days-Would be sufficient for hearing all the temain-.
ing evidence
,on, the Oude Charge ; and Mr. FL) ,
with a view to accomplish this desirable objea,seeni-
ed to think tha t the second reading oft he Train ing Bill,
whch stood for this d:iy,might be postponed. He could
not completely answer far this in the absence cif
"tight Hon. Friend (Mr.-Windham), but at any rate
he WA sure. that it could not be deferredhf.syond
early day in the nett week. • After several yropoii-
tion-s fOr an early attendance, it was.at length agreed,
that the .SPEAKER should come down to the House
this*day at three o'Clock,_and take the Chair as Soon
as possiblt!
The Minutes of the Evidence were ordered to ho
printed, and at half past one this morning the House
adjourned.