The Sun.
London, England, 1839-04-19 00:00:00

LORD BROUGHAM.

ILcrd Brougham has addressed to the Chairman of the
Irtcfing at Edinburgh, where the friends of Ministers
wee discomfited, the following letter:—
Paris, April 8, 1839.
—I have lied the honour of receiving your letter,
,e!osed iesdutious of the Edinburgh meeting :
n as I arrive in London, which will be next
, if not before, I shall hasten to obey the commaads
m e eeting, signified through you.
I asst.:re you there was no necessity to apologise for
ikrean' conveying them to me. I have an unalterable
•t an,4 aft•etion for the industrious classes of my fel-
;:ir•es ; and the refusal of the present Government to
h:-rn what I coLsicler their just rights, was the cause,
enly cause, of my having been lately compelled to
hem. But my life has been devoted to the im.
nt cf the working classes, and to helping the pro-
Iltform ; and I do not even comprehend how
n measure can be so perfect as to admit of no

" Sin,—

I hope that nothing will occur at Ed;nburgh to split
fri_nds of Liberal principles. The Whigs are, for the
;ent very 11%ely in the wrong; but I believe their error
!dy judgmt-nt, alld arises from the spirit of party,
makes them mistake the means for the end, and sup-
L, men whose measures they cannot really approve,
.c; thus, vivo a triumph to their political adversaries.
• re.;l4t whol,!!ia, however, very injurious, even in
,r,y view, for it Las lost them the cenfidence of the

lan, Sir, sour obedieat , faittAl servant,
" BROUGHAM.

To Mr. Rob.7r

Douglas."

Cri u RC -RA rt ES.-CHRIST-
CHURCH.

- • -

TO THE EDITO:I? OF THE SUN.
THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 1839.
remarl.:s in your Paper of this morning are
tf) give a very erroneous impression rezpect-
t:.,• aet:• n new pendit,g against a fsw of the pa-
1-,'ooers ui -Christchurch.

nation is strictly a friendly one. 'qr. Pellatt
selected et his 4y.vo request. At every step
t Clitirtilwarden has submitted his pro3eekUngs to
lite Coamitte-k-; who arc disputing the validity of the

Ise srit to Dr. Addams, and his opinion
11.43 been pi iced in their hind.t,, and the case
t,) Dr. Phillitnore, and his opiaicn, has been as

t to him.
1-r, the Churchwarden, is a Diss•mter, and
!y opposed Church-rates in his parish, and
Uri! unalte: el on the subject. He was
(4lico last E::stcr twelvemonth, by Mr.
i:s frie!ds, and they have no right to corn-
him. for strictly •discharging his duty.
.Yret,.!•::iy a Ci:urch-rate, which my bro-

.nettvt(i it his duty to ask for, was ob-
by th Church party, after having Iw,n
two cr three years inst. It is the
rate, wlrich is now to be tried. Its
)uittions of Dr. Addams and Dr. Phi Elmore
and it, will be seen very shortly that
the ordinary ground:, or involving
ilaory support to the Church, but

rove

Ihcr tile provisions of Stourges Bourne's
5,; applied to this parish, and this refers equally
and a!rnost involves the question whether
ere ;s :Inch a parish. as Christchurch.
!sting your insertion of this letter, I renuin, Sir,
Your obedient servant,
W. HAWES.

TURKEY.

STANTINOPLE, MARCH 21.—Within a day or two,
the mouth of every one. All hands either be-
alreet to tielieve, that the gates of war have been
rr iirinthcr veer, and to the influence of Russia and
I:n7ted is ascribed this new determination of the
I may be quite wrong, but I do not put the
faith in qipcaranees.. On the contrary, from the very
‘,7. oh' the assurances of all connLcted with the go.
It that the alfAir cf Eppt is about to be amicably
!, I am rather disposed to imagine that orders :nay
ar been sent off to 113kz Pacha to commence bos-
h case he will put himself in march before
ril, when the unlucky month of Men will
dly a very full Privy C)uneil was held at
)urt at the Rllice), and among others who
e Shcihh Islam, who never goes but to as-
;;j very im:ortant occasion, where the approba-
h, bend of the Courch is needful, as when war is
Ceta.bi it is that when the Members of the
came forth, from the Palace, each bore on his
n,lnt-e the moat of care and anxiety, whilst several
to fret.ds to Russia and peace. looked es foolish
Guns and ammunition continue to be sent off
a Minor from Topkbane, where the labourers work

1.1 ( C

L !i~~ .1 ii

41 1,03
to Aq'

12,1 instant the Duke of Devonshire was pre-
PonSonhy to the Sultan, as was Captain
v. Mr. Samuel, a r,.l.itive of the R.:tlisehilds,‘ also

'1 Le next day the Duke set out on his return

t Maha, AChe;o-4,Covernment steamer, in which
tuu rrjrct, d English naval officers, Captains Massie,
;tr.cf-F-note, also went off.
6.i.tlitv Walker has not yet fully entered upon hi 3 func-
ti,tns as instructor-general to the Ottoman navy. Apart-
ulyn's hart:been prepared for him at the arsenal, where he

We have :,ad a trifling change in our dragomanic do-
:•nt. Mr. E. Pisani, who had for }ears past been
;tore work than all the other interpreters put toge-
or a pally pay of 801 per annum, has had his salary
to loTt It; instead of England he was serving
, snd toilet as ho does, he would be receiving, at
st, 4001 to aOO/.
'fix office of Masroufat Nasiri, Commissary. General,
bi e s surpresstd, and the duties of the department alto-
getlr have been m?de over to the Seraskier Pacha.
\%e have news from Cireassia to the 13th inst. The
have done nothing during. the whole winter;
t..ey b,_!en prisoners in their fortresses, and die away

li:.. b.

w trtoy has been declared by the - French Am.
) swilic:mded until fresh instructions can be rc

fro::: Fr a e.

paper was scarce to-day, and the exchange rose to
10 i - After Change, however, good signatures could have
he:k. hR.d rather lower.
The Capitan Pacha is going again to the Dardanelles in
a few d,, 4-3. Ile returned from thence on the 22d, and left
friend, the Russian Colonel of Engineers, to go on
strengtlicning the fortresser.

WIGAN ELECTION COMMITTEE

The Cemmittee met yesterday at eleven o'clock, and pre-
cecried with the scrutiny.
At four o'clock, four voters lad been struck off the poll
of the Sitting Member, and four off that of the petitioner's,
letvirg both parties on an equality.
'1 he Commicee then adjourned till tb-morrow.

Si!IPPING INTELLIGENCE.
(LLOYD'S.)

Lv, APRIL I6.—The MatiningtreePacket, Burgess,

Harwich to Liverpool,- was driven into this port on
Lt )2-h instant ; leaky, and with pumps choked, and pro-
cePd, d yesterday after discharging part of her cargo.
DUBLIN, APRIL 16.—The Demerara, Millar, bcund to
mcrara, which put back after striking on the Mugglino
rocks, has not received any injury, and will proceed to-
morruw.

WA.TERPORD, APRIL 15.—The Ellen of Milford, Harris,
wllich %VIM on shore on Leeds Bank, floated off this morn-
ing without any material damage, aft2r discharging part of
'cr cargo, -
HULL, APRIL I7.—An Austrian barque, an Austrian
and a Danish sloop have come to anchor off Marfieet.
'AEY., APRIL-15.—The Doris, Fell, bound to Gaspe,
ck, having sprung a leak.

u

LI.'.IZTLEPOOL, AFAIL 15T—The Friends' Adventure, of
;:azyl, is leaving that port on the 12th inst., struck
Le,ivily on the bar; she has been. assisted into this har-
b,ur,
_making a great deal of water, and laid on the shore
with keel much damaged, and must discharge to repair.
CALAIS„Inif, 17.—The William, Archer, from Lcith
to Datikirk, is on shore two miles eastward of this place,
bet expected to be got off. The Adler, Diericks, from
ran to Baltimore, remains on shore in a very danger-
=i;uatioa. and with six feet water in the hold.
GLNUA, APRIL 11.—A three-masted vessel, laden with
plaeks, wino, and flour, dismasted and abandoned, was
pass. d oil the 19tli ult. in lat. 36. long 5 (meridian of
Ca'iz), by the Ipanema packet.
SYEA, APP.:L I.—The Syren, Foster, which arrived
Ito Q 111;:. 21st ult., from Liverpool, has discharged part of
her ins damaged state.
HoNeunAs, MARCH 25.—The Prince Regent, Stirling,
b 'cud to Cork, was wrecked on the 12th instant, at Ulloa
13.1 r, during a gale at N.—crew saved.
Kellie Castle, Johnstone, from Calcutta to Canton,
was wrt,ckccl on the Louisa S:ioal, in the China seas, 14th
of Nowt-Taber—crew saved, and part of the cargo expected
The Kellie Castle was erroneously stated to have
arriv, d at Canton, in the list, the 901 of March.

VESSELS SPOKEN WlTH.—Great Western (steamer),
Bristol to New York, 31 inst., lat. 43, long. 8.,
( Wind W. N. W., blowing, a gale, with a heavy sea) by
the M :r;,-,lret Johnson, arrived at Liverpool; John Hale,
cf Po'tsrunu!ll, N.ll, , 6th inst., lat. 41. long. 21. ; Sirus
cnd Charlotte, Liverpool to Quebec, 9th,
I •ng. 15, by the Irvine, arrived at Liverpool ;
bl-, of London, befund to Mauritius, lat. 39. long.
y e John, arrived off Scilly; Sarah, Honduras to
if S3uthern Four Keys, by the Silburn, Clarke,
rl at Honduras ; Willem Ernst, Wittebol, Amster-
the Cipe of Good Hope, 2d inst., lat. 48. N.,
7. W.

Grceleck,

TRADE WITH CHINA.
Extract of a letter, dated Canton, Jan. 1 :—" 4
P. m.
The trade is to be resumed this evening."

NOTICE-TO MARINERS.
CN THE ISLAND OF MOUDJOCK, NEAR ARCH.

ANGEL.
The lit d-ographic Department of the Imperial Minis-
trj of tile Navy hereby givea notice, that in order to faci-
l'",'l, to ships tile ertranee of the northern branch of the
14'i"' a stone lighthouse has been built on the island o f
Mi,tirAils, near' Archangel. Its height, from the base to
t'o,_. t7ii of the lantern, is 130 English feet,
and its cleva-
tion :.bergs t'lel?vel of tile sca is 1401 English feet.
11‘is tiLhthouse is situated in 64 deg. 54
min. 43 sec.
...`itzj th latitude, an 1 43 deg. 16 min. 50 sec. East longi-
tud • !ruin Oreenwich, and will exhibit a fixed light during
.. , , :11:rilis of August, Sloternber, and October of each
'''w light will be seen by an übsnvcr clevated
i •
, ,Lb I,,ct above the sea, at the distance of l 7 nauti-
t -- ".',l • t-L-t nen N.N.W„ round by the West, to
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.. 6-,IL ';
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The next motion was that of Mr. PITKEITHLEY, that the
resolution, appointing Friday as Committee-day be re-
scinded, and 614 Saturday be the Committee. day, so that
the Convention sit on Fr:day. He thought that, as
the Delegates were sent there by the hard-working
classes, they ought to sit as often as possible. The Com-
mittees on Friday, moreover,were very poorly attended. If it
were known that the general business would be transacted
on Fridays, delegates would perhaps attend better.
Mr. F. O'CoNNoR said he should give a direct negative
to the motion. He thought that if the Convention sat .lion-
days, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursday?, and really did
business on those days, they would be sufficiently occupied.
If there were arrears of business, Friday might be necessary
But at present he considered the first four days of the
week were quit,: enough for the business which the Con-
vention had to perform. The Delegates were not sent
there by their constituents merely to sit a certain num-
ber of days, but to do the business well.—(Hear, hear,
hear.) He could speak feelingly on this point. He
had never missed attendance one day a hile ho
was in London or the neighbourhood. But his business
imposed upon him other duties. He had to travel all
Wednesday night, to remain up all Thursday night, and
travel back on Saturday night, in order to attend the Con-
vention. He received no salary from his constituents,
though he had been offered it ; he refused it because
he did not require it, and he thought it might better
be devoted to those who did.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
As it was, he had to neglect his business at Leeds,
and to incur an expense of 121. or 141. per week.—
( Hear, hear.) It would be a very great hardship upon
him to attend on Friday, though he would at any personal
cost or inconvenience if he thought it at all necessary,
which he did not.—( Hear, hear.) He also opposed the
motion because he thought it unwise now to rescind a re-
solution passed at an earlier period of the Convention,
when business was more pressing ; and it would be too
much like the bad practice of the House of Commons, in
passing a vote one day and rescinding it the next.—
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. BURNS opposed the motion. He had no objection
to attend the Convention every day in the week if it were
necessary, but he did not think the business of the Con-
vention required more than the first four days of the week.
—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. SMART said he bad never been absent from the
Convention. But he objected to the motion, because he
did not think the Convention had business to occupy their
time more than four days in the week.—(Hear' bear.)
Besides, look at the situation of the respected Secretary
(Mr. Lovett) who, as it was, had to give up a great deal
of his natural rest—sitting up to 1,2, or 3. in the morning,
to get through the heavy arrears of the Convention busi-
ness. —( Hear. )
Mr. DEEGAN also opposed the motion. He thought it
ought to be considered that the members of the Conven-
tion bad to attend a great many public meetings.—(Hear,
hear.) He was at one' last night, when Mr. Pitkeithley
was advertised to appear, but was absent.—( Loud cries of
Hear, hear.)
Mr. CARDO thought it would be advisable, if possible, to
'induce the Committee to attend better on Fridays—( Hear)
but he must oppose this motion as unnecessary.—( Hear.)
Dr. M‘Dotteee must oppose the motion in a medical
point of view.—(A laugh, and hear, hear.) The Mem-
bers of the Convention really must look to their health, and
endeavour to get a little fresh air one or two days in the
week, or they would speedily be knocked up.—( Hear.)
Mr. MILLS said Members of Committees ought to be
compelled to attend.—( Hear.)
Mr. MARSDEN expressed a similar opinion; but both op-
posed the motion as uncalled for
The SECRETARY (Mr. Lovett) said ho bad to devote
Friday night and Saturday, up to very late hours, to get
through the arrears of his business, which were sufficiently
oppressive.—( Hear, hear.) There were great numbers of
correspondents to be answered.:—( Hear, hear.) Besides,
Friday had been set apart for waiting upon Members of
Parliament, and putting on record their opinions—a duty
which very few members of the Convention had perfumed.
—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. NEESOM should resist the motion, because he did
not think it would remedy the evil complained of, which was
the non-attendance upon Committees. As to waiting upon
Members cf Parliament he had been appointed—first, with
-Mr. Vincent and then with Dr. Wade, to perform that duty,
but he need hardly say that neither of those Members had
attended to it; and he onlywaited till some other was appoint..
ed with him, he not having the courage to act by himself.
The CHAIRMAN said be must give his voice against the
motion, which he did not believe was necessary, and at the
same time he must mention that Mr. Pitkeithley had at
least been absent from Committees lately.—( Hear. )
Mr. PITKEITHLEY said that was frhm urgent business.
He certainly would never have brought forward the motion
had it not been for the non-attendance on Committees. He
hoped that at least the Convention would, by rescinding
the resolution appointing Friday as Committee day, leave
it open to sit on that day if necessary.
The vote was then taken, and the motion lost, only three
hands being held up for it.
The motion of Mr. Taylor next came on—That in order
to maintain the character of the Convention for purity and
integrity, no Member who had voted for Mr. Deegan's re-
solution, to send itinerant missionaries into the country be
allowed to receive any money from the Convention funds
for their expenses in such missions.
Mr. F. O'CoNeort opposed the motion, because it would
tend to throw upon the Convention suspicion ; and ho
thought that the character of the Convention ought to
be free from doubt. To pass this motion would be to afford
ground at least for a supposition that it was consi-
dered there was some apprehension of suspicion—and
he did not wish to afford ground for such a feeling.
( Hear, hear.) He thought no imputation should be cast
upon any Member of the Convention for any course which
he might deem fit for the welfare of tho Convention to
adopt, even though it involved money matters.—( Hear,
hear.) And as he had voted for Mr. Deegan's resolu-
tion, he could not vote for the present motion, which
would, in his opinion, be throwing a censure on himself.—
( Hear, hear.)
Mr. DEEGAN considered that the motion implied that
he, in bringing forward his resolution for sending out into
the country missionaries, had not been actuated solely by
a desire to enlighten the public, but by a wish to create a

machine from which he might derive employment.—( No,
no, and. hear, hear.) He thought no Member had a right
to cast such an ungracious imputation upon him—though
be considered that the misionaries of that Convention had
as much right to remuneration for their services as any
body else.—( Hear. )
Mr. SKEVINGTON and Mr. HALLEY opposed the motion,
as did
Mr. BURNES, who said at the same time that he should
never receive any money from the Convention. —( Hcar.)
Mr. SMART and Dr. M‘DorIALL likewise opposed the

motion.
Mr. CARPENTER said he thought there was too much
time consumed in the Convention in discussing the ques-
tion of suspicion respecting money matters, in which
suspicion, as he believed there was no ground for, so
neither did he believe that it was entertained by any one.
—( Cheers.) He should oppose the motion.

Mr. TAYLOR replied. -
The question was then put by the Secretary, the names
of the different Members f,r and against the motion were
then taken down, and
The CHAIRMAN declared the motion to be lost.
TAKING DIVISION 3.

Mr. ROGERS brought upthe Report of the Committee
appointed to devise mere efficient means for taking divi-
sions. The following was the report :
"The Committee appointed to devise more efficient
means of taking the divisions, so that a clear majority of
the Members present be obtained on each question, suggest
that on an amendment to any motion being moved the
discussion shall be limited to that amendment and the
original resolution ; that the discussion being closed the
negative and the affirmative shall be put on the amendment,
and that if the negative be carried the question be put
from the Chair on the original resolution ; when
it shall be competent for any other Member to
move another amendment, which shall be disposed of in
the same manner ; and that every other amendment being
so disposed of, the affirmative and negative be put on the
' original resolution. •
Mr. F. O'CONNOR moved that the Report be received,
printed, and acted upon.
Mr. &gain. seconded the motion.
Mr. LOVETT did not think that the Convention would
find the present recommendation so convienient as the
plan already adopted ; its effect would be to increase the
discussion. _ _ _

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS, Arizrz, 18.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-

sack shortly after Five o'Clock.
Lord LME SBU It Y presented a petition from the
Lie of Wight against any further grant to the College of

Maynooth.
Lord FALKLAND presented a petition from London-
derry, praying that Presbyterian Soldiers might not be
compelled to attend the Established Church.
Mr. BERNAL and others brought up the Designs Copy-
right Bill, and several other Bills.
Lord ROSE BE RY presented a petition from Linlith-
gow, against any repeal of the Corn-laws. A peti-
tton from Ayr, praying for a repeal of the Corn-
laws, and tbnt a fixed duty might he substituted. A
petition from Stiding and another place, praying for
the adoption of Mr. Rowland Bill's plan of postage.
A petition from Stirling, praying their Lordships to
take measures to have the C.iledonian Canal corn-

Mr. ROGERS felt convinced, notwithstanding what had
been stated by Mr. Lovett, that the adoption of the resolu-
tion would facilitate the business of the Convention.
Mr. B. O'lini.ss agreed with Mr. Lovett that the reso-
lution instead of facilitating would obstruct the business of
the Convention.
Mr. CARPENTER must oppose the plan of Mr. Lovett.
After some observations from Mr. Burns, Mr. Deegan,
Mr. O'Connor, and Mr. Marsden,
Thy Report was deehred to be carded unanimously.
DELEGATE FOR EAST SUSSEX.

pieced. A petition from the county of A}r, in favour
of a national plan of e location, not confined to any parti-
cular sect. A petition from the county of Ayr,
praying for the ad•ption •of election 3 of n,,rnbers
of Parliament by B ; and a petition from Queensfary
against any forth,r endowment to the Scotch Church.
Lord RODEN presented several petitions from places
in Ireland, praying for the adoption of a system of national
education according to the principles of the Protestant

Church.
COMMITTEE ON CRIMES IN IRELAND.

-Lord ROD EN slid he would take this opportunity o'
stating a few words respcctiag the Committee which had
been formed by their Lordships far the investigation of
crime in Ireland. lie was anxious to take this oppor-
tunity of referring- to the circumstances in the presence of
Noble Lords whom he saw opposite, because it had been
stated in another place
inthet the Committee was composed
of a number as 13 to spoint of political opinions upon
the matters to be .now investigat.d. That, however, Lad
been immediately set right by a . Right lion. Gentleman
reading to the House of eta:mons ten names of Noble
Lords opposite, who were originally appointed en the
Committee. But this Committee had assumed much—too
much importance in the eyes of the country, in consequence
of the course Neble Lords had taken, fur him to allow it to
go forward for one moment, that an inquiry of so grave
a kird was likely to be submitted to a Committee of a
doubtful character, without giving chat statement the
flattest contradiction. For his own part it mattered not
to him what names were put on the Committee—all he was
anxious for was, that the Committee should be cern-
oeed of individuals, whose object would be to take
a just view of the sub jects to be submitted to them.
The Committee had alrea ly met twice. It mot on the
day after its appointment, on which occasion i.s Chairman
was chosen. It met again and summoned thirty wit-
nesses to attend after the vacation. On neither
of those occasions did airy of the Noble Lords
on the other side of the House attend, and he was now
anxious to inquire cf the Noble President of the Couecil,
who was upon that Committee, whether it was or was net
the intention of Noble Lords on the other side to attend
the proceedings of that Committee, because it was neces-
sary that the Committee should be filled up by persons in
whom the country should have confidence.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, the Noble Lord
was cm tainly irregular in putting his question. In a Par-
liarneetary sense the Noble Lord had no right to put a
question to any Noble Lord in that House as to his inten-
tion to attend that House, or any Committee of the House.
Having stated this, he hub, ho Never, no hesitation in
answering the question of the Noble Earl. He (the
Noble Marquis) was not in the House at the time the
Committee was appoMted, having be, n obliged to
'save the House in consequence of iii health before
the appointment took place. Had he been in the
House at that time he should have stated then
what he would state new, that it was not his in-
tention to attend that Committee ; and he believed he
could say as much on behalf of his Noble Friend who was
near him, who also was in her Mejeely's service. The
ground on which he felt he should best consult his own sense
of duty by abstaining from attendance on that Committee
was, that he was perfectly convinced that that Committee
had unjustly and unnecessarily assumed e character diretly
against the administration of his Noble Friend the Noble
Marquis who sat near him, to all the acts of which lie (the
Marquis of Lansdowne) felt himself to have been a con-
senting party ; and if there was anything that could
remove all doubts. on that subject, it would be that
that Committee had been constituted confinirtt its it quiry
to, the specific years of the Administration of his
Noble Friend, and purposely and directly excluding from
that Committee all inquiry into the remote causes of
crime in Ireland, which in any fair inquiry it would he im
possible to disconnect from the state of Ireland at this time.
He should only add that he could only speak for his Noble
Friend near him and himself. He could not speak for any
other Noble Lord.
Lord E L L ENBOROUG II said that as a member of
that Committee he must deny altogether that it was a
Committee of a criminative na'ure—it was of an itiquisi-
torial nature ; but he should feel it to be his duty to exa-
mine all the witnesses who came before the Committee
judicially, and to give his opinion upon what transpired
perfectly impartielly.
Lord BROUGHAM, who had entered the House
a few minutes before, said, I must also, as I took
a part in the motion for the appointment of that
Committee, say a few words upon what has been said out of
doors—l won't say in this House, but out of doors, and I
have a perfect right to advert to that—most grossly re-
presented. I, with my Noble Friend opposite, deny it is
a Committee of a criminative nature, unless indeed that
word is taken in the Latin meaning of Government,
that it is inquisitorial ; and it is inquisitorial certainly.
As to its being confined to three years, when did that
light break in upon my Noble Friend. It was an objection
to the Noble Lord's motion that it was confined to three
years. It was so stated; but why did not my Noble Friend
move an amendment in that respect ? If he had moved
such an amendment how does he know that any person
in this House would have objected to its bring extended
further back ? I, for one, should not, I am sure—( Hear,
hear)---and as to our being prevented front probing
the causes of what has happened during the last three
years, I should like to see the man who would prevent
me from probing into these causes, even if I found they
had gone back for thirty years. I am the more disposed
to deny that this Committee is of a criminative na-
ture, because I have heard it said that I stated the vote
of that night was a vote of censure on the Noble Marquis. I
never said any thing of the kind—l never said any thing
like it. I said something different-_I said something op-
posite.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) I said that a prima
facie case was made out, which called for an answer ; just
as a judge says to a counsel or a defendant, there is a prima
facie case made out against you, and you must go
to a Jury. So I said, "you must answer that prima.facie
case or the vote will go against you." But because I
said that a prima facia case was made out, I said I was for
inquiry on the subject; and it would be unjust, I add, d—
that it would be unjust and premature to say that it was a
vote of censure. Now, I hope that the Noble Marquis will
find the result of the inquiry tole an acquittal. He cannot
more desire to have that acquittal than I wish it for
him.—( Hear.) And notwithstanding I said 'o before,
still I am represented _as having stated that it was a
vote of censure. So that the only' error committed
b y those very accurate historians of that debate,
is, that they have confounded a trial with a conviction—an
inquiry with a conclusion—an accusation with a sentence
—( Hear)—and they have done it after pairs have been
taken to prevent them from doing so ; because. it was done
after I had expressly said..—‘, mind I don't sentence—
mind I don't pronounce, but I only call for inquiry "
( Hear, hear.) And then it is said, forsooth, that
this House has come to a conclusion against the Noble
Marquis without inquiry—( Hear, hear)—when all that
the House has done has been to enter on an in-
quiry, and to hope that there may be no conclusion;
clearly showing that in some families, at least, reasoning—
reasoning, if not reason—is not heriditary.—(Much
laughter and cheering.)
The Marquis of L NSDOWNE said the objection had
not been literally taken, but it was solemnly asserted by the
Noble Lord that a motion, limited to the period of his
government in Ireland, would not he objected to, if it were
extended to a longer time—if the Noble and Learned Lord
and the Noble Earl opposite would agree to it ; neither,
however, of the Noble Lords attempted to move
that ob-
jection by agreeing to an extension of the period of inquiry,
which was generally desired.
Lord BROUGHAM said lie had no reason to know
that the Noble Farl opposite would agree to such a motion.
In saying so, be only judged from his knowledge of his
usual candour, for he had not had the slightest communi.
cation with the Noble Earl
Lord WH A RNCL IFFE expressed his surprise and
regret that the Noble Lord opposite (Lansdowne)
and other Noble Friends of his should loom absented
themselves from the Committee, instead of attending to de.
fend their colleague while a grave matter of inquiry re
specting his condtict was proceeding ; it seemed that not
only. the Members of the Cabinet but other Noble Lords
had determined to leave the inquiry exclusively in the
hands of those who had promoted it. Now this
would not be fair towards the House or the country..
On his side of the House, they desired nothing but a fair
investigation, and he had made up his mind to be influ-
enced only by the evidence that should be adduced.
But if the members of the Government would not favour
the inquiry by their presence, lie must find other men who
would endeavour to do justice.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that with respect
to the propitetV of his conduct in point of fairness to his
Noble Friend, ho could not be much affected by the ad-
verse opinion of the Noble Lord opposite while he had the
approbation of the Noble Marquis in abstaining from being
present at the Committee ; in fact he had best consulted
the feelings of the Noble Marquis, by not in any degree
countenancing an inquiry which he was sure was an unfair
inquiry, and which just, , if it was meant to be should
ex-
tend to the whole of Ireland, and should trace the origin
of those crimes which unhappily prevailed in that country
to a certain extent, but less than formerly. In abstaining
from attending on this Committee, he (Levi Lansdowne)
believed he should be best consulting the feelings of his
friend the Noble Marquis.
. Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought that his Noble
Friend should be informed by Noble Lords whether they
intended to attend on a Committee. And if the Noble
Marquis (Lansdowne) and another Noble Lord opposite,
would not attend, two other Noble Lords of the same po-
litics had better be selected.
The Earl of GOSFORD said be did not mean to at.
tend upon the Committee, because he saw no public good
which could arise from it.
The Marquis of NORNIANBY remarked that it had
been stated in the course of the present discussion that he
was to consider himself as personally involved in this in-
quiry, which was not the line taken in the former debate,
because then it was stated that the attack was directed
against the Government.—( Hear, hear.) His 'objection
to the Committee was in a great measure that it was
narrowed to the period when be was Chief Govere
riot' iii Le see ; cd ee leeitintt tet.ese el-Jed:v. to the
motion, he found a still stioiigvr uoj,,eti
on 50 for
the Committee was appointed to inquire into the

Mr. B. O'BRIEN then rose to make the motion of which
he had given notice, that a Delegate should be sent out to
East Sussex to assist the Chartists in that part of the county
in their laudable exertions to agitate and organise the peo-
ple of East Sussex in support of the People's Charter. It I
was not his desire that a permanent missicn should be sent
out to East Sussex, or any where else, but he thought that
as it was desirable that a Delegate should be sent to that
part of the coast,end as it was impossible he could go himself,
haviog to attend his own constituents, the Convention
would not hesitate a moment to send out a temporary De-
legate. It was true it might be said that Mr Osborne was a
most effective Delegate there, but believing that new faces
had a most powerful effect in the country, he trusted the
Convention would et once accede to the motion. He had
great pleasure in stating that the most active exertions
were la..!ing made, over the whole of Sussex, both east and
west, to organise the people there, and those exertions had
been so far crowned with success that the people on the whole
line of that coast were forming tkemselves into Associbtions.
—( Cheers.) Should the Convention think fit to send out a
Delegate, he trusted that immediately upon his arrival he
would see the heads of the people who were espousing
their cause, and that no exertions would be wanting on his
part to further the great cause of the people, in which they
had embarked.—( Cheers.)
Mr. 'O'CONNOR.—No matter how much he wished to
save the funds of the Convention, he did think that, on a
question where the spread of these doctrines were so much
required to be known as in the South of England, he would
be trifling with his duty if he withheld his support from
this motion. lie thought the money so laid out would be
well repaid in the good fruits which it would produce in
the minds of the. people down in that neighbourhood.—
(Hear, hear.)—He felt convinced that by sending such a
person as Mr. Marsden among them, who could detail to
them the practical ill effects of the present system of Go-
vernment, they would soon rally round the standard erected
by their fellow-countrymen, and give the cause of liberty
most efficient support.
Dr. M•DocALL opposed the resolution.
Mr. P. TAYLOR would also oppose it.
The resolution was passed.
It was moved by Mr. NEESOM and seconded by Mr.
O'CONNOR, that Mr. Marsden be such Delegate.
BIRMINGHAM DELEGATION.

Mr. CARPENTER said he was about to propose a resolu-
tion to the effect that twenty pounds be sent to forward
the agitation in the neighbourhood of Birmingham. While
doing so he would state what he had done on the Bir-
mingham mission since he went down on Saturday. He there
met Drs. Taylor and Fletcher, and with them made ar-
rangemeut as to the districts which they would separately
take. He went to Worcester. where he-met the editor of a
Radical Newspaper, who told him that great efforts were
made to keep down Radicalism by the. parsons and land-
lords, and in this place they had two Bishops dwelling.
and it was completely in the hands of the Tories. They
engaged rooms, after which they got bills printed, calling
a meeting, but the landlord gave them notice that he had
been told if he gave his room his licence would be refused
at: the next Session time. They next applied for the
room at the Race Course, which they had obtained
and there held a meeting which was numerously attended,
so much so that it was obliged to be adjourned to the open
air. The spirit of the people was so great that from its
being a late hour and quite dark, no other mode of affirm-
ing the resolution could be had but by shouting, which
mode they continued to act upon, on the resolution being
put, in such a manner as to produce consternation to some
few Tories who were present.—( Hear, hear.) From Wor-
cester they went to Evcsham where they found the
people in a complete state of ignorance of Charter principles.
They went then to Leamington, where they were informed
by a Mr. Lavell, that all the material of Radicalism was
in being at Leamington, if properly brought out. He
went then to Coventry, when he found the people in great
apathy, and was told that it would require some time t ) get
up a meeting there. With regard to the resignation of
the Birmingham Delegates, the people there were glad
that they had resigned.—( Hear.) Had they not done so
the cause of Radicalism might have suffered materially.
He had no doubt, from the present measures adopted by
the Provisional Committee, the great meeting to be held on
Monday next would elect Delegates worthy of the people
of Birmingham. Mr. .Carpenter concluded by calling
on the Convention to vote the sum of ea for carrying on
the agitation,
Mr. O'BRIEN seconded the proposal of Mr, Carpenter.
Mr. O'CoNNoa said that the case made out by Mr.
Carpenter was a very bad one. If we vote away money
to agitate places which have not yet been agitated, the
people will have a suspicion that we are not yet prepared
for obtaining those measures which we seek. This would
be a very fallacious view of the case. With regard to
Drs. Taylor and Fletcher being in want of funds
to complete the good work they had begun,
he thought that those gentlemen should have asked for an
extension of time, as was their duty, and as was ruled by
the Convention.—( Hear, hear.) If we come one day to
a vote and the next day rescind that vote, what will be
thought of our actions by the country ?—( Hear, hear.)
We got on hitherto without the assistance of those places
which now claim this grant for organizing themselves into
associations. Their business was not to begin to reclaim
land, but to spend money on what has been already re-
claimed.—( Hear, hear.) It is their duty to go forward
with their claims, supported by York and Lancaster, and
there was scarcely a doubt of their succeeding. If we go on
with the aid of the 1,600,000 men who have signed the
petition, it will matter little whether, we get the limping
assistance of any other portion of the country.—( Hear,
hear.) Their enemies knew what was their high position
without going further with this work. Was not this
evident from the altered tone of the Chronicle and Sunday
Times, who were holding out a bait, and which bait would
be withdrawn if they found the people of those great coun-
ties should desist in the least from the demonstration
which they had hitherto made ?—( Hear, hear.) To keep
up the dignity of the Convention, and that its rules
might not be infringed by any of its members, he would
oppose Mr. Carpenter's motion, and propose the following
amendment in its stead. Mr. O'Connor read the amend-
ment, which was to the following effect :—" That the
Convention see no necessity to rescind their former vote
made on this subject."
Mr. PITKEITIILEY seconded the amendment.
Mr. BIiSSEY supported the resolution of Mr. Carpenter,
for the same reason that he voted the other day for the
motion of Dr. Taylor, namely—That no expence
ought to be spared in agitating the Midland Districts._
( Hear, hear.) He attached more interest to agitation of the
the Midland Districts, than to any other portion of the
country. He was astonished to hear Mr. O'Connor say
so much against this vote, when he had but a while ago
voted for a Missionary to be sent into Sussex. Were not
those Delegates sent down to Birmingham on the same
conditions as were the fifteen Delegates formerly sent out,
and, therefore, should not this be left to their own discre-
tion, as were the others ?—( Hear, hear.) It was time
enough to ask for the account of their disbursements from
the gentlemen who went down to Birmingham, when thee
returned from the mission. And when they did return, by
felt convinced that their account of their mission would be
such as to reflect credit on themselves, and add to the
success of the cause in which they were all embarked.
Mr. BURNS said it would be time enough to make an
application for an increase of funds to what had been al-
ready voted for their mission, when the Convention knew
what had been done.-4 Hear, hear.)
Mr. CARPENTER replied.
The CHAIRMAN put Mr. O'Connor's amendment, which
was carried by a majority of ten.
Mr. O'CoNNoe proposed and Mr. DEEGAN seconded a
motion, that Dr. M•Douall get leave of absence for one
week,
Which, after some objection by Mr. ROGERS and others,
was carried in the affirmative.
Upon the motion of Mr. WARDEN, seconded by Mr.
HARTWELL, the thanks of the Convention were voted to
Mr. Frost for his dignified conduct in the chair, passed
with acclamraation, upon which the Convention dissolved.

We regret to notice the death of John Galt, the
author, which event took place at Greenock on Thursday r.
he had been for some years much indisposed from a suc-
cession of paralytic shocks. Latterly, we fear his circum-
stances were anything but easy.
SCO TC II JUDG ES H I P.—We hear that Lord
C-27,•ttcuro r'signed. His successor on the Beret! is
Fo t yet named; but, ate presume, ttie Lord Advocate, if
he bo disposed to prefer his claim, will have his claim to
fill the vacancy so occasioned admitted.

THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY. APRIL 19, iS39

state of Ireland from 1835 with reference to crime and
outrage, which have rendered. life and property insecure in
that part of the empire ; that was assuming that it was since
that period that life and property had been rendered
insecure in Ireland, and that was distinctly at variance.
with the best of all prima facie evidence—the return of
the officers employed in the administration of justice. lie
(the Marquis of Normanby) would be wjlling- that his
Government should be compared in this respect with any
fur years of any Irish Government, and he was persuaded
that the result of the comparison would be favourable to
his Admini,tration. It would seem, from what had fallen

from his Noble Friend, that the inquiry was to
enter into the exercise of the prerogative .of
mercy, and he would ask their Lordships this
question—whether such an inquiry were important or not?
If it were important, how did it happen that their Lord-
ships did not inqnire into the subject during the whole of
the period when he was Chief Governor in Ireland, al-
though the charges had been brought forward by the Noble
Etri opposite (Roden) and another Nob!e Lord at a great
meeting in Dul,lio, at which they were distineuished by the
violence of their denunciations against the Government and
also by t'-,e ex!raordinary vehemence of their persrmal de-
meanour ?—( Hear.) It on the other hand the inquiry were
not important, he could but think that the whole prone •d-
-ings pn-took somewhat of the nature of a personal attack.
He would now move, though not with reference to the in-
quiry before their Lordships, for a return of the number of
re-committals upon offenders discharged, before the expira-
tion of the sentence by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, •
between the 12th of May, 1535, and the 15th of Feb.
1839, specifying the original offence charged, and the
conviction which had taken place upon the subsequent
charge. By that return be would consent to he judged
by their Lordships arid the country, with reference to his
exercis? of the prerogative of mercy which had been the
subject of such persevering misrepresentation—though of
course in their Lordships arising from misinformation.
The Earl of RODEN said he had no rrsonal motive
towards the Noble Marquis in the motion which he had
brought forward ; the Nob!e Marquis had no right or reason
to make such an imputation, and he (the Earl of Roden)
would not be deterred from the discharge of his duty by
such accusation. He was convinced in that Committee
the Noble Marquis's case would receive the most careful at-
tention, and any statements which the Noble Marquis
might make would be impartially considered. Ile had li-
mited his motion to the Government of the Noble Mar-

quis, because it was of the acts of that Noble Marquis's
Government that he complained, but if any Noble
Lord had moved the extension of the inquiry to any
former period he would not have oppost'd it.
The Marquis of NORMANDY said he remembered

House and the public. He did not like to reject a clause
that had been proposed by the other House of Parliament,
but be certainly thought that the House ought to have a
fair opportunity of discussing this question fully.
The Bishop of SALISBURY considered that this and
other irregularities which were degrading to the Church
arose from a mode of legislation which he bz.lieved to be
equally unconstitutional and inconvenient. All the diffi-
culties which bad arisen,had arisen from the Suspension
Act, which this Act referred to, and which had now been
renewed during three successive Ses,ions; In his opinion,
the best mode of dealing upon this question would be to-
tally to repeal the Suspension Act
The Earl of WICKLOW said whether the Noble
Viscount postponed this clause, or pressed it upon the
House now, he should equally object to it. He objected
upon principle to either House of Parliament adding a
Clause to a Bill totally unconnected with the subject of that
Bill itself. lie should certainly object to the clause in this
form, whenever it was brought forward.
The Marquis of SALISBURY considered that the

House ought to be summoned on the present occasion,
and, therefore, perhaps the Noble Viscount would post-
pone the father consid: ration of it.
Lord MELBOURNE thought there was no use in
postponing it. It was but a very small matter. There
might bo something in the point of fn-m, but nothing of
importance. With respect to their being any coaccalntent
about the matter, there was nothing ed the sort, and there
had been ample opportunities given, in both Houses of Par.
liatnent, for the discussion of the matter.—(" No, no.")
The Noble Duke opposite seemed to speak of this as ic
there was something of a discreditable nature about it. It
was well known that inconvenience had been suffare.l by

the delay which had been unexpectedly occa►ioned by the
Bill which had been passed, and this was to remedy that
evil. It was admitted that it was to carry into fleet the
arrangement for the Deanery of Ex -ter. It would unques-
tionably, in his opinion, be better to carry this into effect,
in the mode proposed by the House of Commons. At the
same time, as the ohj+•ctions to it seemed to be felt so
strongly, he did not thick it was necessary for him to per-
severe farther with it at present.
The Duke of WELLINGTON, could not agree that
full opportuniiies of discussing the subject bad been afforded.
For his own Fart, he never beard a word about it, until
just now.

that it had 'always been considered that tilt N.,ble Earl
(Roden) at the meeting in Dublin to which he had alluded.
hat commenced the proceedings by waving an o:atige
handkerchid —( Hear, hear.)
THE LIBERTY OF THE PRESS IN MALTA.

The Bishop of SALISBURY would prefer the repeal
of the whole Act, and if the present anomalous state of
things were allowed to continue he was afraid many reme-
dies would hare to be prop )sed.
The Bishop of EXETER said, that if the Crown re-
commcnded the appointment of one of the present Canons
residentiary the matter would be brought to an instant
corclusion.
The MAN iis of SALISBURY—I think I understand
the Noble Viscount to say he vbill not persevere in his
amendment.
Lord MELBOURNE—Certainly not.
The consideration of the amendment was then post-
poned till this day week ; and the House adjiurned at a
Quarter past Seven o'Clock.

Lord BR()UG HAM said he wished to put a question
to the Noble ',Marquis at the head of the Colonial Depart-
ment. In 1536 a proclamation had been isared in Malta,
and groat credit had been taken by the Govern-
ment for removing the censorship of the press; and
this had given unbounded satisfaction. N)w he found
that a certain order had been issued, and before he grounded
any resolution upon it he would ask the Noble Marquis
whether it were correct. He wished to know whether this
draft had been approved of, and whether it was now or
had been the law since the 16th January. And secondly,
he wished to know whether the Government were aware of
what that most incredible document contained. It was
called a law for establishing the liberty of the press ; but
restead of that it was a law under which no press could
stsn iat all. It was a document full of the most gross eh-
sunlities. By it any person was liable to twelve months
imprisonment for censuring any individual in his private
capacity, so that if any person was to call another who
hid been found guilty in an action for trim. con. an
adulterer, or a drunkard, or a felon, supposing him to have
been convicted before a jury, be might be convicted of
censuring him—(Laughter)—or he might say that he did
not approve of the style of his dress—that he did not like
his handwriting, cr that he did not approve of the manner
in which he drew up ordinances.—( Laughter.) Any or•
all of these would be censuring the individual, and the
party so disapproving. if it were considered to defame the
individual, was liable to twelve months' imprisonment. It
went further, and said if any person caused or did anvthine
that tended to cause a publication—but more extraordinary
still, if by the omission of any person there was any ten
doney to cause a publication, the party was still
( Lsughter.) Their Lordships would recollect that about
a year and a half ago, when the question relative to the
Hill Coolies was before the House, a complaint was made
that the ordinance respecting them had not been published
in the Gazette. Upon that occasion he certainly understood
that the Government had pledged themselves that every act
of Crown legislation should be made public in this country
or laid before both Heuses of Parliament. It had been
published in Malta two or three months ago, and it had
only been brought under his notice that morning by the
elder of one,of the Courts. It was seldom that he saw
foreign Gazettes or newspapers, and unless such legisla
don were published in this country it was imposeible to Fay
what absurd or extraordinary laws might be made. He
wished to knew whether this proclamation were law, and
if so, upon whose recomm ,ndetion it had been made?
whether it was the production of a certain commission
which had been lately appointed; and whether it was
to .te understood that the Government would promulgate
all new laws for Crown colonies in this country.
The Marquis of NORM ANBY said the question was
one of a very delicate nature, -and was still under the con-
sideration of the Government.
Lord BRO LIG HAM__\Yes he then to understand that
it was not the law of Malta?
The Marquis of NORMANBY—It has not yet been
disallowed.
Lord BROUGHAM—Then it is in fact the law of
Malta?
The Earl of RIPON said the Commissioners had-most
extraordinarily recommended the abolition of both the
offices, without any communication with the Attorney.
General or the Chief Justice ; they had reported the
offices to be sinecures, without at all examining the parties
as to the duties they had to perform. Those trio gentle-
men had been suspended as being sinecurists. He wished
to know if the case had been referred by the Colonial
Office to the law officers of the Crown. He further wished
to know if those officers were responsible for the nonsense
dare orders of the Commissioners.
The Marquis of NORMA NBY was understood to say
that he should be quite ready to give every information to
their Lordships as soon as the inquiry into the case had
been concluded.
Lord BROUGHAM wished to know whether the
Chief Justice had been examined by the Commissioners
reapec'ing the duties of his office.
The'Earl of RIPON said No; but they had examined
other persons very rigorously, and had even threatened to
commit them to prison should they prove contumacious.
Lord BROUGHAM expressed his astonishment at the
summary treatment of the Lord Chief Justice of Malta.
Why, the House of Commons would not recommend the
dismissal of a tidewaiter in this country without a previous
examination.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition
from Chippenham, Wilts, in favour of penny postage.
Lord DUNGANNON laid upon the table returns re-
spectinw turnpike trusts in England and Wales; and on
the metion of the Noble Lord, the Consolidated Funds'
Bill was read a third time and passed.
Earl STA N HOPE presented a petition from the in-
habitants of St. Leonard's, Shoreditch, against the Metro-
pelitan Police Bill.
THE DEANERY OF EXETER.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 18.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
Becket's Name Bill was read a third time.

Mr. POULETT THOMSON presented a petition
from Mr. B ,xter, stating that his name bad been impro.
perly used before the Committee on the Manchester and
Birmingham Railroad Bill, and that it had been represented
to that Committee that the railroad would only pass through
one field belonging to him whereas it passed through
property belonging to him to a considerable extent; alio
a petition from the agent of Earl Ferrer.,, complaining that
an undue use of his name had been made before the same
Committee.

After a f. w words from Mr. AGLIONBY, the
SPE MUIR suggested that the petition from the agent
of Earl Ferrets should be withdrawn, on account of in-
formality.

Mr. -POULETT THOMSON acquiesced in this
suggestion, and moved (as we understood) that the other
petition be ref‘rred to the Committee, which was agreed to.
Mr. P. THOMSON presented petitions from the
Mayor, Aldermen, and Town Council of Manchester, in
favour of the Manchester and Birmingham Extension
Railway.
GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY.

Lord WO ItSLEY wished to call the attention
of the. House to a circumstance that took place in
the Gr9t Western Railway Committee that morn.
Mg. TWO Members who had not served on the
former Committee had attended, signed the declaration
that morning and sat on the Committee, but as there
s, erred to be a diff,reace of opinion as to whethcr those
M,,mbers could serve upon the Committee when the Bill
was recommitted, he wished to have the opinion of the
House upon'that subject. It was right that he should
state to the House, that had those M.:•mbers not
been in attendance a quorum could not have been formed.
Mr. S A N FO R D, ouc of the Members alluded to, trusted
that as the Committee could not have been formed if they
had not attended, the House would permit the Bill to be
reported.
Mr. BAINES said that precisely the same circumstances
had taken place in the North Midland Railway Committee
yesterday, and he thought, therefore, that the same course
should be adlpted as had been tak,ei in that case.
Sir G. STRICKLAND said, that ueless the strict rule
was adhered to. that bo Members should sit upon the re-
committal of a list, but those who had served upon the ori-
ginal Committee, the whole spirit and meaning of the
re-
gulation
of the House would he departed from.—( Hear )
Mr. ESTCOURT and Sir E. KNATCHtSULL
(who spoke across the table in rather a low tone of voice)
were understood to express a similar opinion.
Mr. R. PALMER also spoke in favour of the adherence
to the regula'ion of the House.
Lord WORSLEY moved that the Hon. Members fur

\Vest Somerset and Frome be alio 4ed to act in the case.
Mr. P. THOMSON said he thought it should be un-
derstood that when a Bill was re-committed it should be
sent back ti those Members alone who had sat upon the
original Committee, otherwise other Members who had
not beard the evidence might over-ride the opinions of the
original Committee, and destroy the whole spirit of the re-
gulation of the House.—( Hear.)
Mr. AG LIONBY differed from the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman the President of the Board of Trade, that it would
Le desirable to lay down a general lute for the guidance
of the House on all future occasions, because the circum-
stances of each case ought to he stated to the House, when
an application was made for the re-committal of a
Bill, and the House ought to decide whether or not
the Bill should be re-committed to the same Members
who served before or to new Members._

The SPEAKER said that according to the former prac-
tice the Bill was referred to a particular list. 1.11 uho
were on that list were Members of the Committee, and the
words " List," and " Committee" would cover exactly
tie same number of persons. According to the present
practice all the persons on the list were competent to serve
but the House had in:crposed a new regulation, by
which all who were on that list were not entitled
to serve unless they complied with a certain condition,
which condition was, that they should sign a declaration
that they would attend the whole of the proceedings of
the Committee. He had no doubt that the word " Com-
mittee," under the new regulation, applied only to these
persons who had quiliLd themselves to serve—( Hear,
hear)—but some provision ought to be made to meet the
difficulty of there not being sufficient Members to form a
quorum.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. SANFORD then moved, that under the speei4
circumstances, the Noble Lord, the Ch ail man of the Great
Western Railway Committee should be permitted to re-
port on Monday next, from the Committee as consti-
tuted that day.—Agreed to,.
Mr. B A INES made a similar m.,tion on the part of the
North Midland Railway Committee, which was also
agreed to.
MANCHESTER EXTENSION RAILWAY.

Viscount MELBOURNE moved a 'der use as an amend-
ment to the Ecclesiastical Revenues' Bill passed last
Session by the House of Commons. The object of the
clause was to empower Chapters of Cathedrals to elect
a Dean from among the Canons residentiary, which elec-
tion would also create a vacancy amongst the Canons.
After a few words from the Bishop of LONDON, in
reference to a Bill introduced by himself last bear, to
remedy inconveniencies at visitations, and which Bill was
passed,
The Bishop of EXETER opposed the introduction of
the clause, which was only printed upon the 12 h instant,
and was expressly framed for the purpose of filling up the
vacant Deanery of Exeter. He complained that the clause
was brought forward without due notice being given to
those most interested.
Lord MELBOURNE admitted that this clause had
the object in view of the vacurcy of the Deanery of Exeter,
and that that Deanery should be filled up in the ordinary
course. lie admitted that he had stated to the Chapter of
Exeter that there could be no object in view but to preserve
the usual course of the Crown, the regularity of proceed-
ings, and that the legal rights of all parties should be pre-
served. Unquestionably be did not intend to introduce
any clause calculated to interfere with what was already
vested and established in the Chapter. nor could it be his
intention to press this clause if he could understand that it
was contrary to the wishes, or the feelings, or
the intentions of the Chapter; but from all the
communications be had bad with the Chapter, he
understood the Chrpter had no desire but to be able
to carry into effect the wishes of the Crown in
the usual and regular manner, and that if they could do so
they were very willing to take the necessary steps to effect
the Crown's recommendation. When he advised her Ma-
key to appoint Mr. Grills to this Deanery he thongl t he
was getting rid of all difficulties. At first he was not aware
that it was necessary that the party to be elected shou!cl be
a Canon residentiary. The Suspension Bill prevented
Mr. Grills being a Canon resickntiary, and this clause
was to remove the difficulty. If he were told that the
Chapter were against it he would nut persevere in it.
The Bishop of EXETER said he bad rot stated that
the Chapter of Exeter were against it; he had said they
were not fur it. He thought the party ought to be one of
the present Canons, and he _ wished to know
from the Noble Viscount if he was not aware
that if the Crown were to recommend to the Chapter one
of the Canons qualified by the statute, they would not,
without acknowledging a power in the Crown to compel
them, be ready from their own feeling of loyalty, to elect
such en individual so recommended ?
Lord MELBOURNE believed the Chapter were ready
to elect this gentleman, recommended as he was, if they
were enabled to do so, and' for the purpose of enabling
them to act according to the usual course, this clause was
proposed.

Mr. MARK PHILLIPS presented a petition from
the Chamber of Commerce, 11 inehester, in f4vour of
the Manchester Extension Line to Stonc and Rugby.
The Hon. Member also presented two petitions against the
same Bill.—Referred to the lommUtee._ _

The Dover. Deil, and S.todwich R ,adq 1111, was r,t44 a
third time, on the motion of Sir; E KNATC lIBUL L.

The Newark Gas Bill was read a third time, and
passed.
Mr. R. SMITE! presented a petition from Colchester,
praying for the Penny Postage, according to the plan of
Mr. Rowland Hill.

Colonel SIBTHORP presented a petition from Lin.
coln stating that the p:esent Ministry, ever since ns
pointinent, haVdone all in its power to undermine the
the Throne.—( Laughter.) They had denied protection
to the Protestant Church, and had given encourage-
ment to every species of vice and immorality—(Laugbter)
—and, therefore, they prayed for its immediate dismissal.
He heartily concuried in the prayer of the petition.
Mr. lIAYTEP presented a petition from Wells
.in
favour of a penny postage.
Similar petitions were presented by Mr. G. Berkeley
from places in the county of Gloucester; by Colonel G.
Layton, and Captain ‘Vcinyss.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented e petition in favour
of the Government Plan for Railways in Ireland.
Captain PECHE LL presented a petition from a per.
son named Goodlad, residing at Brighton, praying fur
relief under the Annual Indemnity Act.
Mr. LA W presented a petition from the London Clergy
against that clause in the Prisons' Regulation Bill. which
authorises Justices to appoint teachers dissenting from the
Church of England.

Mr. WOOD presented a petition from Worcester,
complaining of the operation of certain clauses of the Poor
Law Amendment Bill.

Mr. BR A NISTO N presented petitions from places-in
Essex against the abolition of the Cora.laws, and praying
for protection to the Established Church in Canada.
Mr. LUCAS presented a petition from the High
Sheriff and Grand Jury of the county Monaghan, praying
for an equal measure of encouragement for railroads in
Ireland. He moved that the petition be printed with the
Votes, in order to call the attention of the House to the
subject on a future occe.son.
Mr. E. RICE postponed the motion of which be bad
given notice till that day fortnight.
Captain PEC HE gave notice that on Thursday next
he should move for returns of the number of persons tried
and convicted at the several quarter sessions and assizes
in England and `Vales ; also a return of the number and
names of the seamen in her Majesty's service, with the
names of the ships in which they wore serving up to
January 1, 1839.

The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the House
was placed in an awkward situation. He was glad to hear
that the Noble Viscount and the Chapter were on such
good and accommodating terms with each other.
He should have wished, however, to have had some in-
formation afforded to him upon this subject at
an earlier period than at the very moment at which
the House was called upon to agree to this clause
—( Hear, hear)—which be could not but think was a very
great irregularity, and more especially when it was con.
netted with this particular arrangement or disposition to
a negotiation between the Crown and Chapter of Exeter.
—(Hear, hear.) He thought it would he as well for the
Crown, for the Chapter of Ex,:i_tzr,
(.3-,rncd, t t thin clause s%oulcl.
all to pass tl'...;;;11
Let it be regularly, fully, openly brought before the

Mr. HUME stated that he had given notice to the Hon.
and Gallant Member of the inteLtion at a convenient op-
portunity to try Mr. Gurney's new light. That trial had
been made u.,on a small scale, at which the Honourable
and Gallant Member, notwithstanding- the notice be had
received, did not attend ; but the Speaker, together with
himself and other Hon. Members, did, and the result of
that experiment was, that it was thought desirable that
Mr. Gurney should have an opportunity of trying e
effects of his light on the House ; and therefore it was that
the present repar iti,,ns had been made.
Sir E. KN ATCHBULL asked at whose expense thole
experiments had been made, and by whose auth why
Mr. HUME said Mr. Gurney offered to make the ex-
periment at his own expense, if, when the lights had been
tried, the House entrusted him with the lighting of the
House. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer had pre-
ferred so Lr sanctioning the experiment as to allow him
100/. to make the expel intent.
Sir F. TRENCH only asked justice.—(Hear, and
laughter.) Il now moved—
" That the ten branches removed from each lustre dur-
ing the recess (each holding two candles) be replaced;
and that Mr. Rixou be directed to colour the inside of the
sh•tdes with di.stemper of the green tint pointed out to him
by S:r Frederick Trench."
Mr. HUME hoped his Hon. Friend would postpone
his motion till the experiments of Mr. Gurney had beep

made.
Sir F. TR ENC fr— I have lost 60 lights.—( Laughter.)
I ain life my Hun. Friend would not think it right to let
ef,me before the El Juse in a state of degradation and
mutilation.—(Great laughter.)
After a few observations from Mr. HUME, the motion
was agreed to.

JAMAICA.
Mr. GODSON wished to ask whether it was the in-
tention of the Government to go on.with the Jamaica Bill
to-morrow—whether they intended to make any opposition
to Counsel being heard at the Bar—and if Counsel were
heard, whether they would go on with the discussion
Mr. LABOUCHERE said it would rest principally
with the House to pur-ut what course it pleased. If the
discussion on Irish affairs terminated to-eight, it was his"
intention to move the second reading of the Jamaica 13111
to-morrow, but the Government did not intend to offer
any opposition to Counsel being beard.
BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.
Mr. BARRON said, previous to the Order of the Day
being read, he. wished to call the attention of the House to
w het he considered to be a breach of privilege. He bad made
a statement to the House last night, and there appeared in
the Times this morning what purported to be a report
of his speech, it, however, was a totally false reports and
the comments made upon it were written in a spirit no
consistent either with truth or fact. It was stated that bi/
Hon. Friend near him had contradicted his statement re-
specting the ejeetments in Waterford, which was that 1,20
tenants bad teen turned out of their holdings between
the years 1826 and 1839. Notwithstanding wilt,
the Times said be restated the fact, and be held
in his hand the original ejectment served upon
one of the parties, signed by the agent of the Noble Lord
to whom he alluded, and involving AO less than fifty-three
tenures.
Mr. DERBY rose to order.—Such a statement should
not be made in the absence of the Noble Lord.
Lord INGESTRIE rose.
Mr. DERBY. begged pardon ; be had not been aware
of his presence. •
Mr. BARRON—The Times said that what be had
stated was false, and neither he nor- any gentleman in
that House could lay under such an imputation.
Mr. O'CONNELL—Oh, if it be only in the Times.--•
(Laughter.)
Mr. BARRON was ready to produce the_oriittol
cjectments ; he was furnished with a list of the names f
all the individuals dispossessed, and also the number of in-
dividuals In each family. The latest to which he had alluded -
affected no less than 70 families, comprising 382
duals. The facts acre vouched for by the Magistrate real"'
ing
,nearest to the estate, and he was a man who would most
unnillinglymis-stateanyfact; he was ready to state the name
of that magistrate, for he wished for no concealment. "e
had refrained from stating any names until he bad heel
asked for it by the Noble Lord, and then be had stateo
them unwillingly, for he thought it highly objectionable 10
inttedoce names into any statement made in that House'
If the matter should he properly reported in the Tittles to- ,
night—(Cries of " Oh, oh,")—he should not move that
the printer be called to the bar.
Mr. O'CONNELL—If there is no motion I suppose
we must pass on to other business. This Comes of in'"
proper rea ling ( Great laughter.) If the We'
Meinte7 had not read the Times there would have been
nothing of this.—(Loud laughter. )
Lord INGESTRIE said that all he had asserted 01'
that if these tenants were ejected he was eonfitel;.
they had been removed from their habitations with the',
own consent, and that a bargain had been made with enS"
.of them. —(I-fear, hear.) If the Hon. Member In
these allusions, he was bond to substantiate there'
He was ready when he got a perfect knowledge of
the
facts to meet the Hen. Member on this and any otitcr
ground whenever he liked.—( Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. Believe in exp
and from Mr. VILLIERS STUART,
Lord INGE ST RIE asked the name of the magistrate.
Mr. BARRON said he could not name him to the,
House, but would give the document to the Noble 1471
in the Library.
THE JAMAICA BILL.
course of
Lord J. RUSSELL said, with regard to the —d be
proceeding se--morrow, as far as he was concerne
halation,
seould Le will.ng to consent to the motion for hearin.g:
Counsel at the Bar or, this Bill, and he thought that ought
bad
to take place to-morrow ; but after the House
been so much engaged, he did not think they could
proceed with the second reading of the Bill with
any advantage, therefore, after hearing the Counsel he
should propose that the second reading should take place;
on Monday next. He should to-morrow move the second
reading of the County Courts Bill.
Petitions in support of her Majesty's Ministers were
presented by Mr. Grattan, Mr. V. Stuart, Mr. Hume'
Mr. O'Connell, end other lion. Members. :
Mr. E. TE NN ENT. felt bound to correct some
statements of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, we,
Solicitor-General for Ireland, in his speech lafiri
night. One point was that he (Mr. Tennent) bne
et-
stated that the sheriffs were appointed by the Governmee-'
for the purpose of poisoning the course of justice. Il
had never made any such statement. Another mis.stete;
ment was, that he had said the Government had abandon'
altogether the right of setting aside Jurors on the part °f
the Crown. The Hon. Gentleman alluded to some °the'.
points upon which statements had been misunderstood.
Mr. PIG OFT explained.
MINISTERIAL POLICY—IRELAND.

ADJOURNED EATE.
On the Order of the Day being
read for resuming the
adjourned debate,
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said, that notwithstandcl;
ing the many speeches which had been nr.pg
during this debate, so strong was his f`e'l
on this subject, that he hoped he might be Peo
mitted to ask the insiulgence of the Home, while 110,g4
his reasons for supporting the motion of the Noble ."-bo
His reasons fur so doing, were 'twofold. First, 'aeon° e;
believed the expressions used in that motion were tro
and secondly, because he thought the House would 14
under the circumstances of the present time, be josty,_
in refusing to give its opinion, and accord its verdict. I°s •
tween the two antagonistic principles, on one or otheetted
which Ireland must henceforth be governed. He regrl
exceedingly that the Right Hon. Bart. opposite, had 0-
01
met the motion in a fair and manly manner. He regret for
that he should have wasted his talents and eloquenc;dr,
two hours, not in directly opposing the proposition ol,hag
Noble Lord, but in endeavouring to pursuade them :bat
the time was not yet come—that it was not expedient t
the Commons House of Parliament should on this gr:o
and often discussed qu, stion, venture to express
opinion. But he felt that whatever the Right 1-140°`..id
able Baronet might say. or whatever might he. his
by those Honourable Gentlemen who follow i" of
train, as to the vote of the other finus6 no
Parliament, he felt that, out of thet House, there was
turn of sane mind and memory, who did not considsr . bst
vote as a vote of censure on the present Governme.l.,sy
(Cheers)—and a censtne marked by this extraorduisnto
circumstance, that they condemned before they weul'hieh
the inqu ry. There was something blundering in this, Iffsr
showed that however Gentlemen opposite might
art,st
from their fellowseountrs men in the qualities nf the hed,...-e
all events they had something Irish about their ben
too.
(Cheers and laughter.) He believed it was Rhadlsnets
thus had punished before i.e had heard the evlujuase
arid it appeared that, in the present day, the ;3'w.)
of Lords had followed his • example.—( ear, inino •
He thought the House was called upon to give an %PR co.:
upon a subject which the Right Hon. Baronet bad nst
tirely out of the question, that the charges brought ag had
the Irish Government, though frequently repeateabor.)
been as frequently triumphantly refuted.—(Hear' o that
He believed that it was through a great misc4lculabct[troci
the majority of five in the Horse of Lords was 110tia novl
into a majority of one.—( Hear, hear.) He r°ll.ojeet,
proceed to a much more important part of the. barge
namely, that of showing his reason for thinking the coo
against Lord Normanby totally without foundatton.,iforbs •
Curb-
had heard a great deal of the state of crime and ussosard'
ances in Ireland. They had heard of men comingr'adation
to prove the case of their party by proving the dcg,,senrder'
of the country, and no one but the Right Hon. tte Ist; What
of Dublin had expressed any-regret upon that subject• ors
were they to think when one of the principal Oranebers
gans concluded its leading article by stating m. Three vs.f. the
for the Gazette, and one cheer more for the state-ou-eart!
country." He was surprised that men should look l
tVeiti.,
to obtain power by making charges that would proe lie
selves unworthy of holding any office.—(Cheers.)wilice
was old enough to remember when the counti:ea the
he represented was in a most dreadful state, and w, s than:
plunder of her Majesty's mails was far more regular state
the delivery of the letters.—( Hear.) .What was „ale& ?
t'
of the administration of the law during those entle-
lie would read extracts from the speeches of tw°_gssetari
men, one the Home Secretary, the other, the Shee'ir ad-
for Ireland, to show the state of Ireland under the
ministration. The Home Secretary, then the '''goe Jane:
Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, on the 14thw
1824, made the remarkable statement that thcressareoraeri;
less than fourteen murders cotnrritted in one
.1
f,erpe
two years, and yet not :n a single instance had tn,!raran the
trator been .discovered. 'The Right lion. Gent!,co stated
Member for the University of Cambridge, tie is a)'•
„posts and
JAMAICA. that. justice was defeated in every
Mr. GODSON presented a pstition from the planters Much had been said upon the execution of -en
of the Island of Jamaica, praying to be heard by counsel at thethat lije•
the bar of the House against the Bill for the. Suspension of of juries, and great horror had been shown
constitute d. Nsfes,
Member at the idea of a jury P
Hon. Momb':r for Boifast bad alluded to the s"l'J'
the Constitution of that Island.
Mr. HUME postponed the motion of which ho had it the Constitution of England that onlyt_l!,_ u0101;d Fro;,
given notice for certain returns relative to flogging in the aristocratic classes were to be the judges of
sot. of tl
been a distrust. the •
Army and Navy. • Tr r uote.'
perty ? ssn.ortunate.y there has
LIGHTING THE HOUSE. Ireland, end on that subject
. might q ,• or
popularly ,h and,
_f als,
Sir F. TRENCH wished to ask by what responsible authority of Mr. Charles Grant, who, talking
st the
the new op,.!ratilns for lightint; the H se vow him:S ,rdd th-re tvas a ro,.!•.:I among ,se
anthority
carrii:l4- on hal If . . •-•
their cyes to thc: thev . 'cii3playet
Fee eight lenses far greater than those employed b, A,. ! 'nOt the rooted ant'Pat lite to a{IY I
chirnetles at the burning of Syracuse.—(Great laughter.) I. by to l'arge a portion of lion. Gentlemen oPP°9-
neseers"