The Sun.
London, England, 1839-11-23 00:00:00

THE EXAMINATIONS.

THURSDAY MORNING.—In consequence of the pub-
lic meeting this morning, the Magistrates did not com-
mence proceedings until one o'clock.
Just as the Magistrates were taking their seats, Ze-
phaniah Williams, for whose apprehension a reward of
1001. had been offered, was brought in and placed at the
bar. He was charged with treason and sedition. He
appeared exceedingly dejected.
Samuel Box Stockdale examined—l am superinten-
dent of police at Cardiff. I apprehended the prisoner
at the bar this morning about three o'clock, on board
the Vintage, bound to Oporto ; she was lying at the
port of Cardiff. I asked him his name, and he told me
Thomas Jones. I took four men with me at three
o'clock, and went down to the Sea Loch. I went on
board use Vintage!, Capt. Williams, bound for Oporto. I
put a man over the watch on deck, that he should not
make an alarm, and I went down into the cabin. I woke
the captain, and questioned him as to his crew, and
he told me he bad no one on board but himself and
his crew, and the persons I saw there. I did not then
see the prisoner. I told the captain I must search, the
ship, and he gave me leave to do so. I saw the prisoner
fast asleep in a berth next to the captain, and I asked
the captain and crew who he was. 1 asked for the ship's
Articles, and the captain told me he had not any yet
signed. I then asked how the prisoner came on board,
and the captain said he brought a gentleman on board
last night, and the tide having ebbed he was obliged
to stay, I awoke the prisoner, who appeared much
alarmed and trembled violently ; he said he would go
quietly with me. I had not then asked him. He then
said what is the matter ? and I asked him his name, and
he gave the name of Thomas Jones, from Bridge-end ;
and on further questioning him he said he was a native of
Merthyr. I asked for his paper's, he said he had none,
and that he did not know any person in Cardiff ; and I
told him I most detain him until he gave some account
of himself. He was handcuffed, and I immediately had
him searched. 1 found on his person a silver watch, silver
pencil-case, box of percussion pistol caps, a bundle of loose
caps, one hundred and two sovereigns and a half in gold,
and eleven Spanish dollars, and a paper, on which was
written " Edward Head, vessel Comet, Richard Todd,
spirit-merchant, Cardiff's" knife, comb, &c. I then
ordered him over the side into the boat, to be taken to
'he police station. We got there about half-past four,
this morning. I entered the charge as against" Thomas
Jones, under-ground workman, Merthyr." I made the
charge myself against him of being on board the brig
Vintage, not able to give a good account of himself, and
my suspecting him to be Zephaniah Williams. The
captain was an Englishman. He expressed very great
-urprise when I found the prisoner there, and asked ,
him what he did there. The prisoner did not answer
the question. I heard the prisoner tell the Mayor of
Gardiff his name was Zephaniah Williams.

Thomas Jones Phillips was then examined.—l am
'.clerk to the magistrates. I know Zephaniah W;;;liams,
the prisoner at the bar. He is charged with Ugh trea-
son and sedition. He is very much altered since I last
saw him.

The prisoner was then remanded.
Evan Edwards was then placed at the bar, charged
with high treason.

Ann Spooner—l know the prisoner ; his name is
Edwards ;he is a watch and elockmaker. I saw him
on Sunday the 3d of November, some time in the
morning ; he came to my back door, and asked me if
I had got ere a pistol. I told him I had only one that
was out of repair. I showed it to him, and he told
me he would repair it if I chose. I never heard of his
repairing pistols. He did not return it next morning,
and I have not seen it since. He asked me if I had
got any bullet mould, and I told him I had but a very
large one, and it did not belong to that pistol, lie
asked me to let him look at it. I let him sea it, and he
asked me the price of it. I told him I did not know
the price, and my husband did not tell me the price of
anything of the kind. My husband is a wholesale dealer
in hardware, and sometimes sells pistols and bullet
moulds, but we have not had any for some tints except
that one. He took away the bullet mould, and I have
not seen it since.

William Phillips, examined by Mr. Phelps—l am a
special constable of Tredegar. I know the prisoner, he
is a clock and watch-maker. I was directed on Sunday
the 3d of November, to go to the prisoner's house. I
went between twelve and o'clock on Sunday night. I
knocked at the door, and the prisoner from the up-stele
window told me he would not open the door. I then
returned, and went again to the prisoner's house betwe
two and three on Monday morning, the 4th. He told
me then he would let me in on condition that I would
not take him away from his house, or injure him. He
let me in. I then asked him what he had keen doing
all night, and he said he had not been f:toi:ig anything
but stopping up with his wife, who -was very ill. I
then asked him where the bullets were that he had
been making. He said he had not been making any.
I then laid hold of the candle and went into his kitchen.
I there saw some drops of lead about the floor, and also
a bullet quite warm. I could hardly hold it in my
hand (the bullet was here produced).
Walter William Herman examined—I am superin-
tendant of police at Tredegar. On Monday morn-
ing I received the prisoner into my custody. I
searched him, and found nothing on him. I took
him before Mr. Homfray, the Magistrate, and
he stated that the balls produced by Phillips,
the last witness, were the same as taken from
him, and were made for the Chartists to prevent his
being taken away. I returned to the prisoner's house
and searched it. I found a bullet-mould, No. 58, with
a bullet in it, fourteen pistol bullets, and a piece of lead
apparently recently melted. He stated the lead was
for making pendulums for the clocks, although he bad
made bullets with it. The piece of lead, is nothing at
all like the pendulum of a clock. He said he bad been
up to the Chartist Lodge on Saturday eight, where he
had been detained very late, and that he had been k
subscriber, but had not attended for a considerable time.

Henry Crow examined by Mr. P helps—l am _a
special constable at Tredegar. I know the prisoner.
I saw him on Monday, the 4th of November. I asked
him what could possess him to make bullets at that
time, and he said he had been to the Lodge, and that
that they had in consideration of his wile's illness, let
him free of going with them, if he would stay at home
and make some bullets for them, which he did, and was
in hopes of getting a few shillings for the benefit of his
family.
This closed the case tor the prosecution, and Mr.
Phelps stated that the evidence did not, as he expected,
amount to treason ; he would, therefore, withdraw the
charge, and leave it with the Magistrates too do as they
thought fit with them.
The Chairman then said—The Magistrates always
wish to deal as leniently with a prisoner, as they pos-
sibly can. ion are therefore remanded ; and if you
can get br il, yourself in 1001., and two sureties in
.50/. each, for your appearance at the next gaol delivery,
it will be taken.

Ber.ijamin Richards was then placed at. the bar,
chs.eged with high treason and sedition.

John Cullimore examined—l live at T•redegar, and
am & grocer. I know the prisoner perfcx tly well. On
Sunday, the 3d, as I was returning from. *Sirhowy I met
from fifteen to twenty people opposite -the old
mills some armed with pikes, and one with a gun.
saw Le prisoner with those men. He is a shoemaker,
and, knowing him to be a constab're, I stopped and
spoke to him. I asked him if he knew the Chartists
were coming ? He said he did. L said soldiers were
sent for and expected every minute. He said "We
should be glad to see them, we , would soldier thorn."
He had a stick in his 'nand similar to the other men, but
whether a pike on it. I cannot say.

Walter Willinn Horman—l am snperintendent of
, police at Treckgar. I know the prisoner. I appre-
hended hint. Considering the prisoner a constable, I
asked hint if he knew the charge on which he was ap-
prehended. He said no ;he had done nothing, aid no
) one could charge him with anything ;he never carried
h ea
lockedsked huitp.
arms ; a man came and called him from his house, and
111 no further
i hat be was bound to go, and that he did not go further
to he
Israel Thurman—l live at Gellygwes. I saw the
prisoner on Sunday night,the A ,
Su of November, at
thquaenstiSontos7a-bndilld'esNireewdphoirmt.
I about nine or ten o'clock. It was a very we night.
There was a great party down from the
1 upper tram-
, roa The two tram-roads meet there. 1 should think
there were 3,000 or 4,000 there. Son re were armed,
and a great many had no aims at all . They carried
lights. I know John Frost ;he was i n the front ; the