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the House. As to the proposition of the Hon. Member for
Carlow, he would state that to the deputation of Irish
Members he had said that he must in any circle not exclude
the town of Drogheda, which they as decidedly desired to be
excluded. If he should make any alteration. extending the
privilege to other towns, but excluding Drogheda: he could
not entertain the slightest hope that it would be satisfactory ;
it would be said he had made a concession, and abanfloned
his principle, in order to conciliate the support of certain
Members. His Hon. Friend the Member for Carlow must
see that he could not accede to his suggestion, although he
was very willing to accede to any arrangement which would
be consistent with his principles. He had analysed the
division which had taken place the other night, and he
found that deducting the official persons who voted on that
division, the sense of the House was in favour of the Bill.
Now the tone was altered, and he was taunted with
the support of Honourable Members opposite. What
earthly motive could those Honourable Members have
for supporting this Bill, except that they approved of
it, or what possible influence could he exercise over them?
With respect to a call of the House, it would be impos-
sible to secure a full attendance even by a call, and if the
attendance did not exceed 200 he should again be told that
there was not a sufficient number of Members to obtain
the decision of Parliament. He trusted they would be
allowed to go into Committee, not that he had any expec-
tation of gaining any thing by it, on the contrary, he knew
he stood the chance cf loosing much. His Hon. Friend the
Member for Drogheda was as much opposed to the Bill
as any one, but he carried his opposition in a fair and
Parliamentary way. He was fearful that in pursuing the
course adopted in opposition to this Bill, that they were
laying down a practice which would eventually prove fatal
to the rights of the House. He trusted the House would
be permitted to go into Committee as he had no other
object in view than to perform his duty.
Sir W. SONI ERVILLE was re.uch obliged to the
Right Hon. Gentleman for his good opinion. His com-
plaint against the Bill was that it was brought forward
without any opportunity being afforded to the parties in-
terested to be examined on the question. Not one single
individual from the town of Drogheda, which would suffer
severely from this measure, had been examined respect-

Mr. FINCH then moved that the debate be adjourned
till five o'clock.
Mr. ELLIS said the Bill ought not to be pressed on
vrith unseemly haste.—( Laughter.) The people of Ire-
.

land had not time to petition against it.
The House divided and there appeared—
For the amendment
For the motion

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Majority
Mr. O'CONNELL immediately moved that the debate
be adjourned till to-morrow. He frankly admitted his
übject was delay.—( Hear, hear.) Sufficient unto the day
was the evil thereof—and he wished to finish the evil for
to-day.—(Laughter.)
After some discussion

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER inti- I
mated his readiness to agree to the amendment, seeing
that if he did not the time would be occupied by divisions
till the period when it was originally meant to adjourn
(viz. three o'clock.)
Sir C. DOUG LAS said he should like to know how
the Government intended to carry out this Bill if the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman persisted in his opposition ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that point would perhaps be better discussed to-morrow.
Sir F. FREMANTLE said the Right Hon. Gentle-
man had not shown the earnestness which he anticipated,
when he saw him come down attended by such a numbsr
of his colleagues; but he had now abandoned the measure
without advancing a step, for he thought the course now
taken almost tantamount to the abandonment of the Bill.
The CHANCELLORofthe EXCHEQUER thought
that no one could accuse him of want of earnestness in
fighting this measure.—(Cheers.) The ground which he
had taken was perfectly satisfactory to himself, and as there
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debate when it could not be discussed as it ought to be.
Sir T. FREE MANTLE said if the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman could neither carry his Irish Charter Bill nor the
project fur funding Exchequer bills, he had shown himself
not possessed of the confidence of the country.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
aware that he did not possess the confidence of the Right
Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. WAK LE Y never heard a more undeserved taunt
than that given by the Hon. Member for Buckinghamshire
to the Chancellor of the Exchequer—( Hear, hear)—for
there never was an Hon. Member more sincerely deter-
mined to carry out a proposition obnoxious to his own
friends than the present.—( Laughter. )
Mr. KENIBLE thought this was a question of very great
importance, and had supported the Government in carry-
ing it on. Whatever delay might take place would not get
rid of the Charter—(Hear, hear)—and he regretted that
the time of the public should be taken up in this way. He
trusted her Majesty's Ministers would come to a decided
opinion either to abandon the measure altogether, or per-
severe in it at whatever hazard.
After a few remarks from Mr. O'CONNELL, the
further consideration of the question was adjourned until
:o-morrow.