The Sun.
London, England, 1808-02-12 00:00:00

AMERICA.

Lord HAWESBULIY presented a number of rapers
that had been Moved fur, respedieg the :relative
.':iteration of this Country and America ; among
others, the Message of the President to the House
of Congress, and Copies of the Correspondence that
took place between the American and die British
Plenipotentiaries since the signing of
.the Treaty
concluded in December, 1806,----His Lordship mov-
ed that these Papers be printed ; which was ordered.
Lord GRENVILLE then rose, pursuant to notice,
to move for Tapers, which would tend to throw
some light on the nature of the relations, as they
now eXiSted, between this Country and Atnetica,
and on the terms and tendency of the Treaty
,which,
in December, 1806' was concluded between, the
two nations. It had fallen to his lot to be engaged.
mote than once in diScissions with the Ministers of
the United States, and he had bestowed on what re-,
garded the connexion and natural interests of the two
States, all the attention, labour, and diligence, of
which he was master, and which the high import-
ance of that matter so seriously imposed on. him.
Indeed,, the cultivating and maintaining 'of a good-,
understanding with America, an, understanding that
included and promoted the reciprocal interests of the .
two Countries, was, in his mind, the most material
and important consideration that could possibly en»
gage the attention of the British Government and Par,
liament, next to the care of conciliating and nniting,
in one bond of union, all descriptions of his Majesty's.
Subjeds in these Kingdoms. He had of late taken
oceasion, more than once, to express this opiimion,
and he now wished to repeat it in the most serious
and solemn manner. Ibis disposition powerfully,
animated his views and hiS conduct, whenever any
thing occurred that threatened to embarrass or inter-
rupt 'the friendly intercourse and connexion of the.
two Countries. 16 the year 170, in consequence:
of events to which the war that
,broke out in the,
preceding year gave rise, he had to disetf4 and adjust
some differences which then occurred with the Unit-
ed States. ,1t was his good fortune ;o have to deal
in that transaction with a man (Mr. Jay) whose ta-
lents and disposition eminently qualified hire fur the
oilice.he had undertaken. Never in the course of his
public life had he met with a person on -whose pro-
bitk, candour, and sincerity, he telt he could so con-
fidently rely. Jay kh the
.volue 0114 are trews- .
sity of a close and amicable connexion between the
two Nations; and he laboured mostiiitpartially duly
to weigh, and to ascertain the real interests ()I both,
These, unquestionably, are (inaliiicinitaii indispen.
salsas neeessary to a Ne.oitiator ; and no neeotiation •
cart be'faiflY earried,,excnt in a mutual spirit of
justice and impartiality. trusted, that such .was
the spirit which aanated thomegoOlatiOn at that time,'
and which brought it to a sucessOtil termination :
sure he was, that Mr. Jay aad of.,it these principleS;
yet, when he returned to his awn pountry, he was
accused, very unjustly indeed, of having sacrificed
leer interests, or yielded too far in favour of those of
'England. Mr. Jay, has !Ong since retired from pubs;
lie life ; but he felt happy in having this opportunity
of paying a due tribute of praise to his charatier. Ever
since he retired, lie had the same sentiments resped-
ing the propriety of continuing to maintain the best
understanding v ith the United States, and of Mt-
pressing on.the mind of both
,Cauntries, how es-
sential it wits to the, independence, and welfare
of both, to cultkate the most cordial and close
connexion. Under the influence ,of this dispo-
sition were the late discussiens with America car-
ried On, and broUghr to what was expeCted to
be a happy termination, When circumstances arose,
that miry put try hazard the final issue. of that nego-
tiation. He had, much, to coMplain attic false light
in which ignorance or malice had endeavoured to
repi.esent it. His Noble Friends who Conduded
that negotiation, with talents of which he could not
now speak as lie ought, becanso they were present,
bad been reprmichen of having made unwarrantable
and dangerous concessions to America—count:Mom
which have bead causelessly and mischievously held
out to 'The public as the bane of the, interests: Of
Great Britain; yet while "hose reproaChes, were.
vented "- against the Administration, at home, no
sooner had the Treaty reached America, than Ihis
Government of the [jolted .States was accused of
baying yielded too much to the British Plenipoten,-
tiaries. Even the Speech by winds the Session
was Opened, contained .assertionN .respediug this
Treaty, which were not eorrea. It Said the Treaty
bad not taken effect by the refusal of the President..
to ratify it. Now the President had. nut refused to
ratify it ; but deferred the ratifiCation as. tar as the
ratification depended upon hiM„, became the Treaty
contained certain articles, which though they were
agreed upon between the respective Plenipotentiaries,;
were not however!. Signed by them, because home
further explanation, upon the points they contained
was to be previously had, with the. American Go-
vernmeni. I.\.s try the concessions that were said to
be made in America, iii essential points, and.which
were reprobated as the hue of the interests of Eng-
land, no asseVtion coulc tie mere unfounded. It
was no doubt cliff-icon to say,. -what were or• were
not the points which might be conceded, in balanc-
ing the niterests of the two. Commies. Since Ame-
rica Was deelared an independent `irate,
many. points had arisen in discussions, whiele had
never before been brought into agitation. IVeit of
them might easily be adjusted by taLitig fur rule,
time mutual advantages resulting from an amicable
convention betWeeim the two countries; Lot in
polkas that could be faidy considered us essential,
never bad lie, nor thosewith whom he was Conned-
e.d, consented to Mirky any etnireßSlol.l. He consider-
ed as essential, what was connected with the pies•er-
vation of the naval power and preeminencc of this

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than that sheshOuld yi!eld a ;tittle Of4iirn • far these
rights once given up, what;eoutg woulti she be
afterwards able to carry on. They 'were conneded
not only with- her power," but with lux very exist 7
ence as an independent nation ; and thL;retbre no
man could. ever 'think of sacrificing them. ,This
was his firm restitution, and nothing could
to depart from it. No dangerous concessions had '
therefore been made to America in the hfte Treaty ;
and when the two Governments came coolly
to consider its nature and tendency,. they would dis
cover that it equally conSulted the interests of hcith
Countries, and that he would repeat, was the only
basis upon which any Treatk'could be and
tiermanently built. The Noble Lord then. entered
into a minute examination, of the difficulties that
result .to both-Countries frolls the prattice of search-
ing merchantmen.: From a thousand circumstances,,
it must be 'obviaus.that. it was attended "nicire-
dififenities beiWeen American and British', Officers,,'
than. bet ween'the"Officers of any other Nation ; but
a spirit of candour, moderation, and mutual regard,
which he could not totitbrcibly inculcate; ws.,uld•tend
to compose every difference upon that head.. As to
the right of searching national ship; of oar, it had: .
never been assUnied, and should be'practised.—
.The Noble Lord again implored the House seriously
.to appreciate the value of ass uninterrupted amity
and intercourse ~with America, and expressed hip. ,
anxious expedation that'the ,mind of the AnseriCansz:.
would become cooler and more considerate, and that'
this Country would meet Ahern with corresponding
sentiments. His Lordship concluded with moving'
" fig Copies of such Conuminiwtions, or Answers";
as had been received from the American Pletnpe-
tentiaries since the conclusion of the Treaty."
Lord ILitI7i7ESI3URY most ,perfectly coincided
in opinion with the. Noble 13aron; that an impartial
regard to the interests of the two Countries was an,
essential basis of this, or any other negotiation, and
under that impression be trusted that he and his
colleagues Were disposed to att. No man could be
more impressed than he was with the necessity of
cultivating a good understanding with, America,.
and making her feel how indispensable was such
a connexion fo the reciprocal interests of the two
Countries. After having acquainted the Noble
Baron that he did not intend to oppose his Motion,
4e did not cxped he would have gone so largely
into the question.: but he , should not imitate his
example, as he would now, and as he had-ou• fortper
occasions, abstain from agitating any question re.
speatng. America; as our relations with' the United
States must soon come, in all th6ir beOrings, under
'the consideration of the House.-

Some conversation then. arose, respecting further.
Papers. called for by Lord AtIcKLANI), and about the
inseparable, connexion between the subjeU of our
relations with America and that of the Orders in
Council, which, was!expeCted to conic under discus-
sion on Monday next. •
The CHANCELLOR said, that when
the subjed of she Orders of, Council came regularly
before the souse he,. for one, would undertake to
explain the nature of them. Nobie Lords had. been
insisting that they were not only nnintelligible, -but
that they were unconstitutional and unjust. Now,
if they were wbolly.nninteingibie to those ;Noble
Lordh, how could they discover that they were oti..
.constitutional and unjust ?
LordslioLiAtp, (iIII±.NVIGI.E, and LALIDEPID.!,tit,
persiSted in ,representing the Orders in Connell api.
perfeelly unintelligible in their connexion with each,
other, though it Might be easy to guess at their ge.
.neral drift, and see the mischief With which they
were pregnant. It was evident they required ex.
planation ; and they were surprised that Ministers
did not come. forward to.explain them.
• Lord itrillKESß6lllYreminded the House, that
oat' farmer. occasion he had stated, that it was
thouglik more regUlar to originate the business in an,
other place, rand that when it came regularly .before
their Lordships, then would it be his duty to explain
the nature of the measnre,which it was the inten-,
tion of his Majesty's Government to ground Upon
these Orders:

The question was then at upon Lord Grenville's
Motion, and agreed to.

AUSTRIAN AND RUSSIAN MEDIATION.

Lord GREY rose 'to Move for several Papers,
from which .he, expected =that some, information
might be' derived, with regard to the spirit and the
views with whioh Russia and Austria had undertaken
to propose their respeawe mediation betweetaranee
and this Country. it was, evident, from the peru-
sal of the documents alreadyrbefore the House, that
between Barmt Rodberg's second Note," and thetone
that followed, ,some answer must have been made
by our Ambassador at St. Petersburgh, which, how-
ever; did not appear. it was materhff, that the ,
House should be in possession of that answer, as it
must have made some reference to the charges
brought by the Russian Minister against ,the Govern,-
mem of this Country for neglect in assisting our
Ally, which charges, if well fhtinded, it was the
duty of Ministers to have brought forward in a dirt,
tinct form, and not to get them thrown in loose inr
sinuritiona against the condua of their predecessors'..
He should therefore Move.for the production of that
Answer. in order to judge of ',the nature of the
Austrian and Russian Mediation, it was alsonecessary
that further intertnation should be aftbrded; it appear-
ed, that as far back as the mouth of April last, an offer
of mediation .was made on .the part of Austria. llt
also appeared, that a Minkter Plenipotentiary:was
milord), after from this Country to the Court of.
Vienna, the objet of whose inission was no doubt
conne6ted with the proffer ot: Austrian mediation.—
Now had no communication been made to,Cioyerp.,
ment upon that head by this Minister. Plenipoten-
tiary—it -was hard to believe there had not .it
would be therefore proper to lay these commttnica-
-110111 before the House. Much later, not only a enr..,
rospondence, but several conversations had taken
place upon. this subject, between .'Prince Stahretn-
berg and our Secretary for. Foreign Affairs. Them
was no minutes of these conversations laid before
I..thel4ouse. The I lonse 'was only in possession of "a
short and petulent ansWer, by which his corre6,.
pondence was terminated: Now he should think it
necessary that all these 1110,11. i of 1010:'111AtiOn
be suninitted .W the Liotte., The House had the
respectable authority lig believing that the 'Ent
pcor of WA:gin W 419 Silleere and anxious in his endeit-
yours to mediate a peace betveen this CouatiAr and
France. Upon the same authority, of his Noble I: iend

tippeared thee tie! :Irate t
seivef.e.tefrieth inferior in number to their epee. • e •
;tete efeeVreneh army was in evert et lie• ce -tee '
Ilicee were !elites st.elich fete el,.
1.141!i.01:14. it '‘'‘'l,4 Of Consequence 4o ro,iin. not/.
litiejialkl.:llierolore rnove for the Minute of the
Cnneersation upon them. which took piece in Aug,
last,- bet weenthe'ET-perorAlexarider and -Lord:flute
chinson, But-.the topie inefp which he -ucible Lord'
chiefiy.insisted was the ehareea brought against the.
late Ministers by the Itncsian Goeernment, mid urged-
! in the Russian Declaration. These charges were ree
dueible to two the iiegled of that Aelmihistration.
to make any military diversiett in., favour of their
Ally, the Emperor- Alexandee ; tied their refusal to
facilitate and pienbete a loan- in this country its sop-,
1: Oche of. the, 'Government. Mach stress as
`had been laid on three eharges at different, tines and
in, (Itfereet „places, it was no arduous undertaking. to
refute theta. Re would ask the Noble Lords op.
• posite, -at whet periodeeand a what points,.eees it
praeticaele 'for • the Erie Ministers, to attempt these
diversions ? He was at a loss at what points such a
diversion could he made but on the-coast of France,
'the coast of Holland, the North of. Germany,
or to the south on the Neapolitan -coast. As
• to expeditions against the French coest,.he believed
the most sanguine had long since cooled in their
hopes.of any success in that quarter. Against Hol-
land and the 'North of 'Germany where, wasehere
any rational hope of ? At neither
,point did
:We possess a gingko,- ettongeslace to over a', landing,
or guy .-tat to :establish mage'zinete Besides,
'hid we even poeseiselt.hese necessary means,woitld
the season At „which sech diversiOns were required
have allured any reflecting man to hazard them ? It •
was said, indeed,• that' the weather was unusually
mild,' and that something might have been cione
the Bible. , •Wherer?•Troope, it was argued, might
have been sent.to ‘Stralsundeand essistatice thee given
to the Swedei. • It was not then proposed to sand.,
-more than 10,000 men. Whet could such ‘a force..
be :expeEted to effe4-.1, especially after We have seep
what has since followed. But although the season
was mild, were we therefore to trust to the uncee,
tainty of the weathcreand send an Expedition into
the Baltic '(lint mightbe. frozen up„encl, exposed'
to the most trying hardships and fatal privations ?
Above all, would it be advised by those. who: were
so well acquainted -with the hostile. dispositiert of
Denmark to expose, a. force that must pays Crme-,
higenemnd that nnast be indebted for its sale: return,
, And for every communication with home, to the free
and unmolested aavigation of the Sound ? And were
'not Ministers aware of all these diffieultieS ? Must
not the public': be sensible of them upon the slightest
refleAion ? Vet a cry was sent, abroad, that the late
AdMieistration had betrayed their Allies, and left
them:without co-operatioh or assistanee. Yet would
it be credited, that Russia had never made any re-
quest for any particular military assistance; nor had
the late. Administratieu entered into any precise are
rangemente to afford any such assistatice They
only assured. Russia, that, should-any 'fair opportu-'
pity arise to afford such assistance, it would not he
withheld, but sent off with the utmost alacrity aal
speed. Yet, it' such assistance had beau afforded,
and.that even to the utmost extent whieh it,was pos-
sible for this Country to afferd, (lees any one be-
lieve that it ceeld have checked the-progress c-f the
French arms, or prevented any Of mite. faud•evente
that have taken -place. Such an idea cannot surely
be now indulged .after hearing. what had fallen,
On , former night from his • Noble Friend,.
Lord .Hutchineon..• Was it in the South of Europe
the .diversion should be made ? Was it on the
Coast of Naples ? After what had befallen the ,
fish troops ip that quarter, in the year 1805, beeves.
surprised to hear such an insinuation front the present
Ministers. What was the result of their diversions
at that point ?: But even if there. had .an upeaeloo
occurred, the means were present to etftei a diver- ,
Rion. General . Fox and` Sir John MoOre !, .1 a gal-
lentSorce under their cammand; and they had in-
strktions to use it, if they saw any &ince em-
ploying it with effea ; bat they declared that no
such opening appeared practicable to therm) ; and he
believed thateheir authority.on such points the No-
ble Lords would not be disposed to dispute. Was
there then any fair grOund :all these .charges of
negle& ?- • But still it Was argued, 'why not send pe
mutiny assistance. to your Allies ? Why not
ward the loan which Ressia requested
.you to ne:!,o-
tiate for her ? Was the House acquainted with tee
nature Of that proposal? The anssian 4NanbaPisadOr
intimated time wish of his Court to negotiate a
~loan of six millions in this Country. , When the par-
ticulars of the proposal came to be inquired info, it
was found., that no security and guarantee , what.,
ever Wee offered :l(,r the payment of this loan.--e
It seemed' as if the Russian Minister imagined that
he had only to go into the City of London to call
for a loan of Six millions, and that it would, be im-
mediately complied with. But he made the eeperi-
ment, and no one appeared to comply with the- pro-
posal ; Now would the House have advised the
then Ministers to have given the guarantee of Go-
evei potent for so large a sum ? Have they end the
Country forgot the, experience taught them by time
Austrian Loan ? 1-lave they not had reason. to be-
lieVe, that it is mbeh better to grant money by way,
of subsidy than byway of loan, and had that loan of
six millions been tiegotiated here on the guarantee
of the, British Gevernment, might it not shortly
.have become necessary for Russia to negotiate . a
separate peace, and, as soon, perhaps, declare
war eaainfit• Feegland ? Who -then trust. make
.good,:tche lean ? and under what circumstances
,
should Ministers. themselves be obliged to go
into the market to provide tneens for the exi-
gencies of our Govenment ? These were things
1 with which the Honse was hot
,generally • ace
quainted, and which,
when known, must. etre& them
in a different light from what was intended by the false
remonrs that have been so industriously circulate d on
this head. Neither was Sweden lea Without en-
couragement. It was proposed to" Sweden, that- if she
could increase the force' then employed near the
scene of attics's, and augment it with twenty-hve
thousand men, which increase was then thoneet
necessary.; Wotiktincreise, evete doeble, flee
Sebeidy alrteee proposed. But Swedee.waseeot eWt'
, to aceomplish tlett 01,;ea. where homrwere
beasied chaiges of ttegle& of their allies, so
tt3l:lcri:l'c''t.'4kci:::t.irtl'',illet'gidas:;tfril tl
r
upon mature take
of beiog reprehensible, most,

foPnd
prudent •anO praise-will tai.
islclhle Lord hoped the House would pardon him for
troubling them so far, hut they *mild-feel the subject
was such as not to allow him to remain silent on it.
He then .included with :moving for
.the different
Papers to which he had alluded.
Lord HA IPICESBURY said, that however desire
able pease . may- hess.if... Wesel ways mischievous to dee,
lode the gublit with the phantom of knegotiation
.•
frOm no reasonable hope could beenferolinedt*
Without. the communication of the basis on which
Frince was disposed to treat, end of- the Secret Arm
-des of the Treaty. of:Tilsit, sit was impossible to
count op any goreieffett 'from the mediation of Ruse
via. Baron De Budbeeg'admitted by implieetion that
some of the Secret Articles of Tilsit did apply to Bri-
tain: for what hesaid Its Lord Gower was,that some of
thern did not apply to. Britain, and:there was lioollo
requiring Russiaeo. shut, her ports against British
commerce, except on the event of certain circetri;
steneeS not likely to take pthce. • • He contended toe
Answer to, the Peissiati Declaration did netaoru-
pnrnise the late. Ministers: .He :did not blame
them for not being ready -to assist Prussia, con.
sidering the .extiaotninary circunislancia' .i..under
which' the war betWeeti. Prussia and Fritnet broke
Out. Neither did,' he accuse them of holding out
assurances ef. aid to. Russia ; but there. Weis some
thing like half assnra nees upon which ex ee elation was
entertained,' ,whiail ought not to have' betel oeld cot •
unless the aid 'w eto have been given. He di ,41i)t
blanje' the late :vine-stets for not iitegotiating a loan of
six millions fur the 'Hessian GOVeininetil,: Wit he
thought,a Treaty of SubSidy ought to. hare, hevo-""*,
gotiated with that Power,
.even to the lenount."'.
half that 'sum. A • simple reltisal to negotiate the
loan was certainly offensive and unwise. ide cal",
denaned. the late Ministers tbr not giving
immediately upon the favourable evetits atteneing„
the :opening of the Liet caini,egn. (It was asked,"
from the opposite side,when 'were they fat odraule?)
If after the battles of Pultosk ,atid Lviau, a resliMa
able British force Was senteto ete•operatte with-Swe.
den, by creating a titeeetieeji.ite the rear of the French'
andthes-teklue. e*pattlit 'the pressere of the whole
French force otf Russle, Europe might have heed •
saved. Even if' an army had, been collected uh this
Country, and tran'spOrta, prepared for shipping them,
Buonaparte-must • have in, some •drgeei; diverted his
force and his attention to watch then). But bee:tiers
there was no movement ()ferny kind here, tie drain-
ed France of every thieg eta the conscriets, and
caleied everyman fonts* Holland and Italy 10 ever.=
whelm Russia. With. these opinionie...disapproving -
in some points or the conduct ptirsued by the.late
Ministers, the present Government held not 110 W,,
ever compromised their!, as had been iesinuated;
on the contrary, they had, replied generiely to thel
allegations of the lleisaian Declaration, and back
argued,' that even if they were, inatle out, they—
would not warrant the coochisions dedneed front'
them. Heviag said thus lie wished, as to
as it was pratticable autleiroper, to. nt3 produce
Lion of the Pampers Movecleor by the Noble. Lord'
He. suggested some amendtrients in training the
motions, so as to ecconimodete them to %vita could
be produced.
'The Earl of 11101R.4 thought the demand of the
commutiication of the Secret Articles of the Treaty'
of Tiliitunreasonable, and contrary to the 'very na-
ture of orteof the obligations tinder-which those itri
tides were entered ihto. Why slits rd
nication of these. Articles be more necessary in the
mediation of Russia, towards peace with I.?einceo
than for . the sauce mediation for peace with lieu- •
mark, which we solicited ? Denmark as well as
Rnisia was a party to the supposed combinative with
France at Tilsit. With. reapeCt to the loan to Ruse
sia, he thought it could not be grained Melte pro.'
sent circumstances of the Country. A subsidy etaa
offered, but •Ituqgia wat averse to taking money ia
that shape: The- business,, however, was still pend.'
ing, when the .late change in Admitristration took'
Place. With reaped-to' the propriety of
litary aid upon the favourable events,iii the v04044'
of the late campaigo; lie kneW ;of no stieleeveno•
The battles of Pultusk and Eylatf Were t!,0(11'
plote defeats. He was averse to seeding Brie
tish Expeditions at ',et vast expencee to echiera
objet' of comparatively little utility. . Beat'
sure •no good etfeet. wctltld.. lowa tellosved
sending an ,Exped;t.iett to theeßaltiejti the case al
bided ti), • T4e,Orily chance for sat iee Europe. jfler
the battle of Eylau,was, if the (;.,in t ot Alist is could i
hti induced to march its' airt4y deem the left bank of
the Elbe in the rear of the French, to intercept their
4114)116 and their retreat, . While Russia attacked
them in front. The capture of Buenos Ayres, thollz
effeeted without the, keowledee or orde:rs of
vernment, required a supply of British trool)9l°'be
sent to preserve it,' but, unfortunately; that suppild
Orne too late. It would have been clitlicolt to ms
.
a suffiCient Dritish force, and 'if that' forcele .
ttl bey,,
sent it would riot have beim able to do",enyetervice.
Lord Ht in WINS Oh 'stated
Pultusk and Eylau, tholigh claimed as victories by
the Russians, ter the purpose as theacustein
in a:l warS, of keeping up the sterns of their PeoPh.';. •
were, in fact, disastroes defeate.'• The baktie't'"a
Eylau, in particular, had every charaCteristieb,
ue
vielbrY• The Freneh took the priecipal ma;ni..l"l,l
of the Russians, remained in poSseacion of h
eir
that the battles of
e
of battle ten days, then retired only'to secure the'.
cantonments, and to-form the-siege of one fortress
and the blockade Of another.' He had the highei.l
respect for thc elmssian artily ; its Courage wO5 eqt/-
to that of any other in the worn!; • but that WO t'Ye
only thingin svhie ti it was equal to the French; in null-
bets it was infinitely inferior. After the retreat of th°
French from Eyinu, it was proposed to him that an Lit" .
tack should be made on the French line to drive theiad
beyond the Vistulaorid thence back to the 'Elheel'et'
it was with' a view taco-operate with this attack" r"'
it first occarred hiM that at British. army.iii
.merania couldbe of use. But about this tiTO
positions for a separate peace were Made to rlll,e-,4*-;,
and the conferences were carried. on for five"'*.e;i4;•-
‘vithoet any" cominunieation to hitri. • Alartned.at t"
BUt
he wrote to put Goverement omits guard! ,
cn
General Zastrow afterwards satisfied him, sb!',7it
to aSsertmee from the -Russian Crenniander!'
when t luiperialOuards should coolcup they %%`°11111,...,
to superior in numbers to the Frietch, and lb' o,
geinti atteek would be milde,,tie wrote the first OP't
tahiei-
.lo his Goveetiment, recomnitenditig to send 8
pry force to the Contioent : thisatisoaleh • imq'
ear March. He, however, was deceived as to
ibc
tact of the Russian arms, at -all approaching *

Fi

'remit ip
number. They Were net ili n 04,060
Men Of The. same amount; The promised litttack
was not Made, anti Dantzic surrendered, without- its
being thought safe to hazard a battle •to relieve it,
The French, besides the vast superiority of force
they brought into the field, had an army of 60,000
men in the rear, which would be more than suffi-
dent to overpower any force that this Country could
send to akt, inconjunaion with the Swedea iu Po-
merania. Such wa3 the state of existingcircarn,
stances, wheninMay he received. the first dispatch
from the present Miniatera, in. which • they desired
him to express -the readiness of his Majesty's GO-
vemmentto co-operate by military aid. (The No-
ble Lord was proceeding to state the particulars of
'this dispatch in•sUbstance, when be was' interrupted
by a cry of ‘ Qrder,'? Iron the opposite
Pid the present Minimrs, mean to deny that they,
had offered ,military aid to Russia •
Earl BATHuRst to order, deprecated the prae
Oct: of making citations from official: Papers riot
-properly before the House.
Tice Duke of NORFOLK, to order,"„did not mean
to defend the Noble Lord if he revealed any thing
that ought to be kept.secret. Bat when the Noble
Lord's =dna was arraigned in another place, he
ought to be allowed some latitude to defend litinself.
Lord GRENVILLE, to order, could not conceive
why, when extraQs were read in a garbled wiper
tat manner, by his Majesty's Ministers in'the other
lioUse,• and even here this night, by the Noble
lop opposite (Hawkesbury), it. should, be counted
improper for a Noble Lord who was implicated, to
state such faEts from official docuntedis as tended to
lalS vindication..
, Lord ELDON, to order, had no hesitation to
say, whoever might be affe6leil- by his opiniou„ that
the pradice of reading from Papers belonging to hia
Majesty, and not before Parliament, was highly
improper.
,Lard GREY, to order, insisted on the violations
41-%P:opriety and order committed byMittistera in
r! House and elsewhere, by garbled and partial
extraols) giving a false colour by itoperfeEt citation.
Lord 11/11V.KESBURY thoug,ht it competent to
his Majesty's MiniSters to state fa6ts frail) Papers
officially in their possession. If any attack had been
made on the Noble Lord opposite (Hutchinson),
and this proceeding was necessary to his defence, it
Inighthe allowed, but that was not the case.
Lord GREIVVILLE contended, that the citations
Made by his Noble Friend (Lord Htitchinson) were
'entirely in his own defence. The Noble Lord bad
been attacked where he could not stand forward in
his own vindication. The Noble Lord had been at-
tacked (a cry of where, where ?)--In the Morning
Post, in•an article which ma opeoly, and lay naive,
attributed to a Right Hon. Secretary of State.
Lord MULGR4VE,. to, order, said. it was fit to
come to some decision on this poiot, for. it wets
known what may-be stated otherwise in these extra-
ordinary disclosures of official and contideatial
do-
'cuments, when the persons.ceascd to be in office. He
thought if The Morning Post had taken any Mk-
either with the name of the Secretary of Stale,
`or that of the Noble Lord, there were other means
to take cognizance of the charge. . •
Lard HUTCHLVSON resumed his speech, and
repeated his arguments to .show why the Russians.
1. ‘'ere unable to cope with the French, and why
British force in Ponter4ia would be unavailing.
_ Lord GRENVILLE was glad to find 'the Noble
tltd admitted that there was no failure of engage—
itentlt:t.,. on the part of the late Government towards
the wa* The Noble Lord also admitted, .that Under
avith"rostances under which the Prussian war
France broke out, it was no. wonder that his
'.lestY*B Government were not prepared to give
these
aid in. that quarter: .• So extraordinary were,
these circumstances, .that Baron Jacobi, in conse,
:hence of peremptory orders from his Goort, lett
Country ; and, on his arrival at Hatnburgh
nisfound a dispatch, acquainting him of the non '
'pings had taken. With resped to the loan wished
for
Russia, the Noble Lord thought it • Might I
t ,
have been quite wise to' comply with abut 'pro- ,
cposition,_ but then a subsidy might have, been
'she fsa was, that a subsidy was otThred, and
though_t,n the Russian Government, had a great obj.:e-
-1 .10to that form ofaccomModation, ii.continued still.
.0 1
b pressed on them, and a final answer was awaited
When the change in Administration took place.
With respea to military aid, it was thought unad-
_voisntole and hopeless by the Noble Lord who was
stt_ Particularly 41-0 observe, and gibe "informa-
l': ,ae,o, every thing that might' tend to promote
jestyarUlel6lt: the war, Os as b 'his Ma-
ministers themaelves. The prepon-
s, "noy of France had been established,' 'and the
4ourßiatien
of the liberties of Europe • destroy-
ed by the War imprudently k; -1 in t 80.5
Ittillte7a.%bii:ehot.i.N„tthlstrliallus%t•arisol)repceis)iotiLint:-dilx,";lcoostttroairlyir')4l:l.
Was to be most It
(the Archduke
Col ked up to with regard to that State
13atile of Amster' Charles),
That War eiulcd-with the
bringing Austria tz.
Hence arose the dilliculiy of
the.
COUsequent stn B,d on the 'lame OCCaS:OIIi ;
opposition auainstPl"tbilitY of
raising an eileanal
inent on the' flan
of !'here There. etas 00. engage,.
of Russia.' Britain send troops to the
hired transports; 4)•
I have prepaid 'ariny, and
1- a VleW tO -a demoostration,
would have been attended with 'SU UltblerAle. tA•.,
Penee•
little There Was no department in _which so.
service
Was procured for so much expenditure:
43 in that of transports if 1 )Ithe, Papers.
110 W moved for by - his * 4
Noble Friend were necessary
16 be laid beiftoisr_ei_their 'Lurdsbips, with a, view to
their own
ustic'e 110.11,. as well as with a view to. do
lions
and
ti nuals implicated by the partial cite-
his warranted allusions made, by some of
Majesty's Ministers. •
gheterd ei 1/ lULGR4VE. made an able reply. He
that a co-operation 00 our part in the late
tarn
Pa gn,could not fail f d •
beficial •effecrts •to 0 'mu urn% the most be-
Eurepel. and, followed the last
frinAkeri through the Whole of. his arguments, just'.
g t enlarged policy of the Administration of
ititatt.great and illustrious Statesman, the late Mr.

The Motion was then agreed to without a division,
41nd the House adjournoied nt half Past twelve.

'MUSE OF, COMMONS.

TIMP.SI)AV, Ftql•
a
proceeded to-btrilotfor
%-Orilnlittee to take iwo.cfm,itlevation the Petition
sou3plaining of an u:1(lue return for-the Borough of

Eveatam. Flirty Members having Wen baiThrteed, a
'Committee wits appointed; Who Tetired to form the
reduced list. .
Sir Jon Nawpoar obtained leave to brinii in a
Sill -to amend art Att passed is Ireland) respeeirg t he
restriction on the, lands appropriated to prpvicle for
the Education of Catholics, in the College of
.May-
nooth,

Sir Wk. :Cbtetis Presented a Petition from the
Strtferets by:the late tire at Dominica, praying for'
Parliamentary relief. Referred to a Committee.
Mr. Dickinson, from the bar, presented an Acpotirit
.of the whotteAmount of Fees and Gratuities p'aid at
the Office ofothe Privy Council by persons fin. Trnde
Licences, from the commeneement of hostilities in
May t 803; to the end of the last year. Ordered,
to be printed. .
Air. Johnson, from the-Office of the Chief Secre-
'tary for Ireland, presented an Account of thelleceipt s
and'Disbursentents of the Comtnissioners of Ac-
counts in Ireland for.t he last:year.
On the motion of Sir J. N4wrottr, the first and
third Report of the Connniisioners were ordered to
be printed.
Mr, fiustorsobt obtained leave to briog in a Bill to
abolish the office of Surveyor of• Subsidies and Petty
Customs in the Port of London.