The Sun.
London, England, 1863-12-16 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 16, 1863.

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MR. COBDEN AND LORD HARTINGTON.

TO TILE EDITOR OF THE SIIN.

Sir,—l shall be much obliged if you will have the
goodness to :insert in The Sun the enclosed cor-
respondence which has taken place between Mr.
Cobden and myself.—l have, &c.,

HARTIN GTON.

Chatsworth, Chesterfield, Dec. 14.

Midhurst, Dec. 9, 1863.

My Lord,—You will perhaps be good enough to take an
early opportunityiof correcting publicly your recent—l had
almost said reckless—perversion of the remarks which fell
from me on American affairs at Rochdale.

While with my pen in hand, permit me to add that, with
better opportunity than your lordship of studying the sys-
tem of popular education and the state of society in the New
England States, 1 did not recognise much greater accuracy
in what you stated to the Haslingden meeting on those sub-
jects than what you said of myself.—l have, Zte.,
It. COBDEN.
The Marquis of Hartington, M.P.

Chatsworth, Dec. 14.

Sir,—l have only this morning received your letter of the
9th inst., and take the earliest opportunity of expressing
publicly my regret for having unintentionally attributed to
you a remark in your speech at Rochdale which you did
not make. Having again read the reports of your and Mr.
Bright's speeches, I find that Mr. Bright at the conclusion
of the passage in which he spoke of the present condition of
the Government and people of the United States, made use
of the following words :
" Look at their industry. Notwithstanding this terrific
struggle, their agriculture, their manufactures and com-
merce proceed with an uninterrupted success."
The idea expressed in this passage is so exactly identical
with that of Mr. Seward, when he said that no American
citizen was poorer for the war, that, although L hasten
to admit the verbal inaccuracy of the question, it appears to
me to be an error of the most trivial nature. I said in my
speech that I was uncertain whether you or Mr. Bright had
used the expression, and I am now extremely glad to find
that you not only did not agree with Mr. Seward and Mr.
Bright, but showed in your remarks on the occasion in the
strongest and most forcible terms how disastrous must be
the result to the Northern States of the frightful expendi-
ture of men and money which they are now incurring, and
how certain is the collapse which must follow the hollow
and fictitious state of prosperity which they are now enjoy-
ing.—l have the honour, to be, &c..
Richard Cobden, Esq., M.P. HARTINOTON.
Naval and Military Intelligence.

so faras the case has yet proceeded it has not assumed that
importance with 1191 previously existing rumours had
invested it. The proceedings are likely to continue for
several days.

SYMPATHY FOR POLAND.

A public meeting of the inhabitants of Southwark

vns held yesterday evening at the Bridge House
House Hotel, London Bridge, for the purpose of

soliciting sympathy and aid for Poland.
Mr. John Locke, M.P., was called to the chair,
and was supported by Lord Campbell, the Rev.
Hugh Allen, Mr. John Vickers, Dr. Evan B. Jones,

Gait. E. Dresser Rogers, Mr. Edmond Beales, &c.
The CHAIRMAN, in opening the proceeding, said
he had attended there in consequence of a requisi-
tion from several of his constituents, and it gave
him great pleasure at all times to enable his consti-
tuents to express their opinions. (Hear, hear.) The

wrongs of Poland had been common to them ever

since they could remember hearing of that country.

In 1831 our Government took the same course which
the present was pursuing. It was the opinion of the

Government that it was not the interest of this

country to go to war with Russia for the indepen-
dence of Poland. He did not think that either the

present Government or any that would succeed,

would be prepared to go to war for Poland. Such
was the state of things, and they must take them
as they were. There was a period daring the
Crimean war when Poland's wrongs might have
been redressed, and he, regretted that opportunity
had not been seized. (Cheers.) But there was no
knowing what might take place. A war might
spring up, and then would come the time to assist,
and, if possible, re-establish the independence of
Poland. (Rear, hear.) That was the feeling of
every one in this country, br..t they differed as to the
means. Some said, "If we went to war who should
we ha' with us ?" (Cries of " France." " Yes,
and Italy and Spain.") Well, take France, and
what then ? There were many who looked with a
wistful eye on the other side of the Rbine. It was
for them to wait events—a war might turn up, and
therefore now it would be for them to make their
feelings known, so that when the time came their
voices would be listened to. (Hear.) It had been
suggested that this country should acknowledge
the Poles as belligerents. That was a step in the
right direction, and would be of great service to
them, as it would place them in a recognised posi-
tion to struggle for freedom. That would not imply
war, and would meet the objections of the timid.
The chairman then solicited the meeting to listen
attentively to the resolutions that the speakers
would propose.
Mr. J. R. Taylor, the hon. secretary, read a
letter from Mr. Layard in answer to an application
of his to be present at that meeting.

Foreign, office, Dec. 14, 1863.
Sir,—However much I may sympathise in the cause
your meeting is called to advocate, I feel certain that in
declining to attend it my motives will be understood by
your chairman, and by those gentlemen who are announced
to be present on the occasion.—Yours, &c.,

A. H. LAYARD.

The Rev. MIGEt ALLEN, in moving the first reso-

lution, said this would not have been his place
had the meeting been called for the purpose of ad-
vocating war, but it was not, and therefore he con-
tended that was his place on that occasion.
nations were so many families, and if one family
suffered those around it suffered also. Poland was
an ancient country, and on grounds of literature, of
arts and sciences, of heroism and patriotism, de-
manded our sympathy and aid. He did not fear the
breaking out of a war. If there was only a bold front
put on by England and other countries, with a
known determination to go to war if it were requi-

site, there would be no fear of a war breaking out.
(Hear.) If firmness had been shown in 1851, there
never would have been a Crimean war. But the
question ol Poland was one that both Whig and
Tory wane afraid of, and it was that very fear of
war which drew it on. (Hear.) He had been told
that the Poles did not deserve our sympathies be-
cause they were Catholics. There was nothing in
his Church that enunciated such a principle, and as
a Protestant he refused to withhold his sympathy
to the Poles on such narrow grounds. (Cheers.)
The rev. gentleman concluded by moving—" That
the devbted heroism of the Poles in their present
and past struggles for the independence of their
country entitles them to the admiration and sup-
port of Great Britain.' (Cheers.)

Poland short of going to war for it, but he (Lord
Campbell) met the assertion by the statement that
Lord Russell, a higher authority, had declared in
his despatches to the Russian Government, that
Russia had forfeited ifs rights, and until the declar-
ation of belligerency followed, our Government could
not say it had done all in its power short of going
to war. (Cheers.)
The resolution was then put and carried unani •
mously.
Dr. EVAN B. JONES moved the following resoln-

tion :—" That, in the opinion of this meeting, as
Russia has violated the conditions upon which, by
the Treaty of Vienna, her title to the kingdom of
Poland and other Polish provinces was founded, her
Majesty's Government are no longer bound to re-
cognise the sovereignty and dominion of the Czar
over any part of the Polish territory, and would be
fully justified in acknowledging the belligerent
rights of the insurgents, and in concerting such
measures with the Emperor of the French and other
European Powers as shall be calculated to main-
tain the balance of power against Russia, and to
promote the cause of Polish independence. (Loud
cheers.)
Captain DRESSER ROGERS seconded, and Mr.
'EDMUND BEALES supported the resolution, which
wee then put and carried with enthusiasm.

The HON. SEC. stated that Mr, John Vickers, be
fore he left, had given £5 to the cause, and Mrs
Herbert Spencer, the proprietor of the Bridge Hons:
Hotel, £2 2s. (Hear, hear.)
A vote of thanks to the chairman closed the pro-
ceedings.

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SANTA DOMINGO,

At Cuba they were in hourly expectation of an
arrival of 8,000 troops from Spain for operation
against the Dominicans. The most sanguine hopes
were entertained that the rebellion would be sup-
pressed. A large number of wounded soldiers had
arrived at the Havana, for whose benefit a public
subscription had been set on foot.
Various successes on the part of Gen. Santana
are reported. The new Captain-General, Vargas, is
exerting himself to put down the rebellion. The
Spanish troops are said to be fall of enthusiasm,
and ready to take the field to pursue the rebels.
A good many troops are still concentrated in the
capital, and a large number of families had left
Porto Plata for San Domingo for safety.