The Sun.
London, England, 1830-12-15 00:00:00

R 1 PO M 1 I TiNt S.

ABERDEEN.
(From the Aberdeen Otserver.)
On Monday a general meeting of the Members of tte
Seven Incorporated Trader was held in their own Hall
for the purpose of petitioning the Legislature for
mentary and Burgh Reform. The Convener in the Chair.
The Cn.s.taisLas said that having received a requi4itini
to call a meeting on this subject, he had submitted it to
the Drawls, each of whom had taken the opinion of h
own trade on the propriety of having such a m etin
when all the trades were favourable to the measure, ens'

he had consequently called them together, and it would
now lie fir those gentlemen who had prepared themselve-
for the occasion, to state their sentiments.
Mr. Benet said that they were now met in a good
cause, to do what bad been called by one of the proem
Statesmen, " a strengthening of the hands of the Go-
vernment." This was proper; for if we asked nothiee,
we might expect to receive nothing. But we must only
seek for moderate things—if we seek too much we may
receive nothing ; and it was well known that on former
ue,,,aiiine, if we had been more moderate in our demand.,
and more united, and firm, and persevering, we wool.,
• have succeeded in getting some Reform. But we now had
every chance of gaining a moderate Reform. We had a
genii and a liberal King—a better King we hail not seen
fir many a day, and he had taken to his council men who
had pledged themselves to Reform. These men did not
avant zeal or talent, but they wanted support, and it ayes
our duty, by every means in our power, to aid them and
doer them on in rooting out corruption.
Mr. P. TATUM& rose and said the resolutions which he

would now liege the honour to submit, related to a subject
of very great importance—a Reform of the representstien
of the people in Parliament. The great, the principal
evil experienced by the people, was the want of bein4
properly represented in the great council of the nation •
the representative system was all wrong. There bad
been a peat progress in political society since two bun-
- shred years ago ; and there was a great difference between
the state of things then and now, to much that what then
stii;;lit have been proper is now totally unfit. With► all
the excellencies of our Constitution, its representative
system was defective, the right of electing Members of
Parliament having devolved, in many cases, on a few indis
vidulls. to the exclusion of a very great number of pet.
sorts of wealth and intelligence. Mr. Taylor then moved
resolutions to the effect that the House of Commons, as
at present composed, cannot be considered a fair represen.
Wive of the people.
These resolutions were carried amid much applause,
after which the meeting separated.

GOSPORT.
(From the Portsmouth Herald.)
In accordance with a requisition to the Magistrates of
the County, signed by sixty four of the inhabitants of
°overt and Alverstoke, a public meeting was held at the
Star Inn, Gosport, on Thursday, to consider the propriety
of strengthening the hands of his Majesty's Ministers, by
petitioning the Legislature fur a Reform in Parliament, a
reduetion in .the expenditure of the country, and a repeal
of thou taxes which press most, heavily upon the cow.
amenity.
At belt-past twelve o'clock, W. GRAN; Esq. at the
re-unmet etthe " meeting having' taken the chair, read the
requisition, trod stated that the object of the meeting was
not to enforce-any partieplar line of conduct on Ministers,
hue merely, to strenathen-the hands of Government. With
regent to retrenchment, many gentlemen would, no doubt,
deliver their sentiments on this subject, as well as on a re-
peal of taxes, both of which measures he was sure were
univerailly approved.
Tiromes Roomettes.--I have been for many years a
friend de moderate Reform, such a Reform as shall re-
store to us' the former, purity of our Constitution. I have
never advocated, nor will I now advocate any of those
wild and visionary schemes which have at various times
been propoied by wild and visionary men; I will not sup-
port that eiystem of Reform which will give to every into,
however low in society, an equal vote with those of chit.:
recite and intellect ; but I will support a system very little
short 4 this. It is well known to gentlemen who are
well read, that the right of the people to vote was for-
merly muchUvereiettentive ; indeed if I mistake net, it
will be fount theevery mane .had a right to take his seat
in the eationel assembly. It was only in consequence of
the increase of population that thii right was limited to
eepreekoativeg, end 'it hat-been held 'by learned men that
these represetetatiVen Wines tribune& by' mites vested in
every ciliate'. De that **Ulnae', I only wish to go back
to rinse times when' the tight "pf voting- was confined to
the householders' i4'thw 'kingdom. The land was fur.
mealy represented by the linights of the Shire—this sys-
tew 18 extended to the present time, excepting indeed as
far as regerde two sorts of people, vie. topyholders, who
were elaves or vermeils of their Lords, and it was therefore
not thought tit•ian- for enele persons to vote for their bolds.
But the ceipylieldereeof the praerit day are wrier different
instead of being at the' will of their Lord, they are nearly
ore) to freeholders. The neat chats to which I allude
nil Iree.eteldere, who were then unknown to the laws of
tin country. Now I consider the privilege of voting
should be extended to both these classes, and surely no one
will venture to eay they are WS entitled to a vote than
the' forty-ebilling freeholders. The grommet grievance,
however, is the confining of votes to corporate !Wive.
At the time this system originated, time corporate bodies
were the-only partial resident, but now the places where
thkaystem was teloptid have become what they term close
.601-0,00, the property of certain great men, such aslPeers
of the realm, who etre in many cafes sole proprietore, arid
the own *tent to•Perliamout by these great men, are, for-
ewent, she represent ethers of the people. Now we con.
tend that that part of the Constitution should bet restored•
reptreentatien should really he what it professes to
Ise. I uniteretand we are to be met to-day by a milk-and-
water kind of oppueition; but theme will hit a string of
re(olutions brought !inward, free from all vitelenee, and as
tolerate in all respects as circumstances will permit,
with+ I leer-will disarm all oppomititin, and meet the,
view:, of the morn moderate. M Sir, I A no advocate fie.
annual Parliaments, or woivereal suffrage; but I wish to
sow the.franchiltesso thrown open Aol extended, that eve y
route who sae a stake in the country unity have a vote. It
b eta remarked that this meeting is unnecessary, be.
cause the Ministers are edema to bring in a measure of
Reform themselves, and that we ought therefore to place
confidence in them. But, Sir, it is to show them that we
have that confidence in them, that I consider we ought "
new to come forward and assure them we fully end cor-
dielly concur with what they are pledged to propose. The
oeinioes of Lord Grey thirty-three years ago, then Mr.
tiley, were the same on the subject of Reform as they are
mete ; perhaps it may be interesting to some gentlemen
pee,ent to hear what were the principles of that Reform
which he advocated at that period. lie recommended that
the number of County Members should be increased from
ninety.two to one hundred and thirteen, the necessary
(publication to vote tier sueh, being the possession of a free.
hold, leasehold, or cepyhold ; the remaining flaw humbl]
Members to be returned ley houwboldere ; to prevent ex-
pense, the poll to be taken in one day, and at one both
throughout the kingdom ; this system was proposed iu
order to prevent persons possessed of no !ended property,
without tattoos and without industry, from obtaining seats
by the influence of great men. The tame Mr. Grey is
now Lord Grey, the Prime Minister of England, and as
such I place the greatest confidence in him, The motion
which be proposed thirty..three years. ago, was eel:muted
by Mr. Ereltioe, who was at that whiteout of the tepee.
sentatives returned by the Corporation of Portsmouth, and
which Corporation has invariably sent two Members to
Tarsi anent to vote expressly for thtowieg, open the very
borough which returned them. Ilowever much gentlemeo
may dieagree by the expression of their coulitynanetl I will
state my opiniene fearlessly; I have alwaye been a supporter of
the principles of the corporation of the borough of Ports.
mouth, because I am sure it bait uniformly been their
desire he encreaeu the general welfare of the cottony. The
propositnos I (shall leave the honour to submit tar your
approval will he founded tin the same, principle. With
respeet to the outrages which have receotly been Yomniitt,,El
in various parts of the mutiny, no, person can lemma
them More than myself ; and nithough I LON ()Leap
thinight Minitters very slow in redressing thole grievances,
whieb +eve been ripteemited to theist or prsing very
severely on the lewer classes, yet I de not exult in the
vonaegriericesi which have-followed, on the contrary, I de-
piece the infatuminn of dime mere who think they can
benefit themselves fey teeing opposition to all law, all
peopiety, and ell reason. I can-wily trace the origin of
their (liserees and eonst-quent ontrugus to a Want of Reform
he Pat heeneut. Not thet I believe for ti moment, that
Perliamentery Refiner, will (suddenly relieve us front our
pres,-nt disirms, but it will ri,, so '°ruin:illy by means of
th" '4'l'4 of thfilgo hoaetst Repreeentetivee who shell be re-
turned to Perliameathy the utilmoght voice of the people.
It le the midiltingailetses in particular that buffer from
the effects of miii-governmenty for by reducing the re-
,,,111 rue of the mithliine cheitte by such-toe enormous burden
you take hotel china the, memo of caving eat-
/nee-relent to the poorer classes. they have been silently
kind p:itientiv groaning, and ,gritsiu,ily verging towards
,tute ~fhincstiptvy ; hut their pride. and the necessity uf
t CI etite have kept diem from giving utter.
mule to their dilfres,el9, Under the hopea of better times.
,4,ltcra tioti in their situation it Owing entirely to Ali-

nisters having refuse 4 to yitl.l in a proper manner and
time, to the expressed wishes and yoke of the country.

Air. B. Goomtvic Remitted the reqolutionft.

Dr. QUA RRIER—The present Ministers, pirticularly
Lords Grey and Althorp, have given us the strongest
pledges of changes for the national benefit. Why should
ve free our sentiments upon them, when they are al-
ready inclined to da all they can? Will you spur the
willing horse to death, or precipitate measures which re-
piire the utmost and most deliberate reflection. I trust
'hat the Noble Earl (Grey) has very different sentimeres
non dome he entertained thirty-three years ago, when he
submitted the motion to the House of Commons which
,s been now read by Mr. Hoskins, and that time and
reflection may have !awned down many of those opinions
.vhich were so warmly advocated at that period. I our
,rjaiced to find that the mover of the resolutions does not
ntertain the visionary schemes of voting by ballot, and
universal suffrage. In viewing tie formation of the
House of Commons, have we not a great portion of the in-
telligence of the country and a just representation of the
property of the kingdom? Can it be believed that those
.tentlemen would submit to tax themselves so heavily, were
it not absolutely necessary for the s.rfety of the state.
The mover of the resolutions has alluded to the reluctance
'o Reform in the Duke of Wellington, but every one will
acknowledge that the Noble Duke was constantly eff,cting
practical Reform and retrenchment; even upon the resig-
nation of the Ministry his Grace exhibited the finest ex-
ample of Reform, for having places and pensions fallen
into the Noble Duke's disposal, to the amount of more
than 5,000/. per annum, he did not fill any of them up,
but left them at tire disposal of his successor ! ! No one
can deplete the distresses of the labouring classes more
than I do, but I cannot think RetOrm in Parliament
would improve their condition. I shall not, however,
detain you longer, but shall conclude by proposing as
an, amendments " that this meeting do not consider it
expedient or necessary to. petition the House of Lords
and Commons, or to fetter the Ministers at this moment,
by interfering in the measures which it may be their intens
Om to adopt for the benefit of the community."
Captain PURVIS, R.N., seconded the amendment.
Mr. CRUICKSIIANX*I will freely, honestly, and can-
didly express my opinion against that system, which has
its advocates, and which embraces Annual Parliaments
and Universal Suffrage; and should any expression of
feeling favourable to such a system manifest itself ut this
meeting, I will hold up my hands to oppose it. I will
never vote for a change wl.ich some people sail Reform,
while they mean revolution. My Learned Friend has
touched upon another subject, he has held up the borough
of Portstimuth.as having pursued a course worthy of imi-
tatinn. I approve of the conduct of the Corporation in
returning to Parliament two honourable men. nut I
must, at the same time, state my conviction that the
Corporation of that borough have not done all they ought
to do; those who wish for reform in others, should reform
themselves. The borough should have said to the inlia-
bitante of Portsmouth,---we will afford in ourselves an
example of that Reform which we have ever expressed
ourselves willing to support, we will make you all bur-
gesses, and give you all a vote for your Representatives in
Pal liament. I would not have it understood by this
meeting that I ani un enemy to Reform ; but if Reform be
necessary, let it be done moderately. As to the right of
voting, I think this should not be in right of office ; but
every man who has property should be allowed to have a
vote for hint who is to protect his property, and who is, as
it were, to be guardian of his purse and his interests. I
would confine the right of voting to property alone. Were
1111irist, r, the very first act I would do, would be to re-
peal the duty ou houses, on windows. This would enable
those among us who now pay 101., 201., SOL, or 401. a
year in such taxes, to expend that amount in bettering
tire condition of their labourers, and in the improvement
of the lower classes. I will not now take up more of your
time than to express my full satisfaction at the pledge the
Itliniater has given us. I would recommend that we wait
a little to ace if he will redeem his pledge ; and therefore I
must support the amendment.,

Mr. YAMPS HOSKINS—The resolutions which have
been proposed meet my fullest apprebatien. I say
it with confidence and delight, some Reform must
come, and speedily. Corruption has been able to stand
against it and prevent it heretofore, but the voice of the
people is too strong to be long stifled, and we will be re-
presented in Parliament.—(Cheers.) Bribery may have
sent Members kn Parliament, but it can do so no more. I
care not whet places may have beers improperly repre-
sented ; it will not be so in future. The Representatives
must and will be chosen by the people. With these sen-
timents I must cot dielly support the resolutions. We
have had enough of taxes ; enough of pensions and place-
men who do nothing. When we bee the taxes which are
wrung from the industrious go to support such abomi-
nations, it is high time to come forward.
Dr. Quaanixie said, that to whatever conclusion the
meeting might come, whether they approved or &sap-
. proved of his propositims, he should consider it his duty,
as it would also be his inclination, to yield to the wishes
of the majority.—(This intimation was received with
loud clot:tea.)
Air. Woonac,w—aeform is the palladium of .the Cone
stitutioe. Nothing short of Reform can insure to us se-
earity of property anti life. What if the late Premier had
retrained in office ? We should have been suffering at
this moment tinder the horrors if a most destructive revo•
lution.—(Murinuaii end cries of no, no.) I say that those
very rinks who have now tome forward to resist and re-
press outrage, would have renteined quiet and inactive. 1
believe that the evils which now exist, would not have
existed, if Men: had been a Reform thirty or forty yeses
ago. We have been (haired not to petition, because we
have already a pledge of Itebarn ; but if we are to depend
on the prevent Ministers, why might we not haVe depended
also on the late Ministers. And as the late Ministers were
driven out of office. by measures they advocated, so the
measures brought forwatel by the present Itlinisters may
drive them out also, unless we strengthen their hands. I
think, Sir, if we lose this opportunsty, w 4 may never brave
soda smother; if we remain tame and pubillanimous, we
shall soon have to he tame enough under the consequences
onr silence and inaction. NOW, Sir, is the tune fur a
long pall, a strong pull, anti a pull ultogether.
The CIiAIUNAN then proceeded to take the sense of the
meeting tan the amendment, when it was lost on a show of
hands, by a great majority. He then put tire resolutions
SerialidJ, when the fret was Cilflie4 unanimously.
the world being reed,
Mr. CRIIICKSUANK proposed to have inserted after the
words " Retrenchment in every branch of the public ex-
penditure," the words " consietent with the security and
honour of the nation," which having hsters agreed to, this
resolution was curried unenimonely.
Mr. T. A. Mt/seine then rose and said, I feel bound
to support the resolutions. It is isorporisible fur me to
withheld the unequivocel uud eineere espressien of my
conviction, that the Contemns !louse of Parliameat does
not repoefent the ucople. If we go from East to West,
we shall find every step we take, proofs of the usurpa-
tion of the rights and privileges of the people. Be-
ginning with Scotland, we see the eastern of burghs
prevailing, to the great grievance and complaint of
that milightened people at the present mosotot. En-
tering! Eroglend, and peaoing on lib we come to
the county of Caroseell, what lamentable proofs again
do we find there of uhurpetion rat' the people's rights.
The county of Cornwall, Sit-, souls more Members to
Parliament, tierough the borough interest, then any other
enmity in England ; and these are mostly sent by the
Aristocracy, through undue moms anal corruption. I
need not go far for mother instance-.-tusk at the ale of
t, Are there not Itoroualos there which send Mem-
bers tar Parliament, that are merely to be traced by cer-
tain nonce, with certain marks upon thew, to &hew their
hingsge.teuute, Allusitio has been made to the borough
of Portsmouth, by nay worthy (timid, with tail mural
address, but I wholly differ from hint air this ',object..
Ile says, "if you open the horough of Purtamouth, it
will only he made nature coeseipt." Now, Sir, I say it is
a reflection on the good people el Portsmouth to suppose
that. At precut five Aldermen and fieVer: flf eight remittent
bur geseeschuose for 60,01)0 persons. Is riot this an encroneb-
merit on the rights and libertiea of the subject? I might
also allude to another place, Peteretield. I say that the
practice of making fuggots is a disgrace to the country, and
a blot in the repreaeotative system which eltoulol he wiped
away. Nita I hnow from experience the truth of what I
have stated about Peteretield, --(Renewed laughter. )-1
was at Peterstield shortly after the election, and inn a con
erre:aims with one of the proprietors, of lend which had
beet, pareelled nut and conveyed to certain parties for the
purpose of enatding them to vote, he expressed his dismay
for the fate of his property, us he said he observed on' the
followims lamming gentlemen driving in stakes on his
estate to mark their different allotmente.s...-(lsoughter.)
lie began tat he 41141 whether his tenements wesuld not
have been taken ~way, f only mention this fact, Sir, to .
prove the neeessiey of Parliamentery Reform, for the truth
is the great body of the people in this eoentry are not dilly
represented. I cannot go the length which Cruieks
shank ties gone by eayiog that property Mime abould
govern the elective franehise. No, Sir, the repreeente-
tion Amite' be moaned mut to property idioms, but to pro-
pvrtreennhined with wheat rind intelligence. Mr. Min-
chin their eongratulated the euuntry that we bad now a
foliaistry who offered us a prospect rat beast of doing all
that could be done to relieve the.burthens of the people,—
Ile alluded with satisfaction to the pledge just given by the

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Cidtaftir of the Exchequer, that the state of the country
lawn considered by a Committee of the House, and
that the tame Committee which bad been appo'nted to
examine into and report upon the Civil List still con-
tinued.

Mr. Wm. PACE—I held up my hand for the amend-
ment. I would not, however, have it believed that I
oppose Reform; I merely voted against the time at which
it is proposed to petition.
Admirul AusTEN—I am a decided advocate for Reform,
and I rejoice at the pledges which have been given by his
Majesty's Ministers; hut so far from showing a factio's
spirit, 1 think we are doing an essential service to the
cause, by strengthening the hands of Government by
expressinn of our concurrence. . .

Mr. BErrs-1 beg now to propose that the petiti,in to
the House of Lords be entrusted to the Right lion. the
Eat I of Carnarvon, and that the p tition to the House of
Commons 1)J presented by Sir William Heathcote, anal
that the Members for the borough of Portsmouth be re-
qursted to support the prayer of such petition.
Three hearty cheers were then given for the King,
three for the Queen, and three, and one cheer more, for
Reform, and the meeting separated in the utmost harmony.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.

ROUSE OF LORDS, DEC. 14.
nerrw.T. V. 30NEILL.

This appeal, which occupied the House the wlole of Friday
and the greater part of this morning, involved a question
Scotch law, as to the liability of the appellant for accumu-
lated interest upon a bond granted by a Mr. Danid M'Neill,
to Dr. James 111'Neill, of Stevenston. The Court of
Session pronounced interlocuters, declaring the appellant
liable for the payment of compound interest, and from that
decision the present appeal was brought.
Sir C. WITDERIELL and Mr. STEwAnT appeared for
the appellants ; Mr. F. Por.cocic. and Mr. HosewrsoN,
of the Scotch Bar, were Counsel for the respondents.
The Loan Cuter BARON deferred giving judgment till
Thursday.

ROLLS COURT, SATURDAY.
ITALEti V. DARELL.

Mr. Bicx'maxima and Mr. GIKULESTONS appeared
for the plaintiff in this cause, Edward flak:. Esq., who,
by the prayer of his bill, claimed to be ent►tled, under the
will of his uncle, the late Sir Edward Hales, Baronet,
to have an i►mnediate settlement executed by the defendant
Darell' (who is the devisee in trust under that will) of the
estates devised thereby, bnt with which requisition that
trustee had refused to comply.
The Murree of the Ttot.t.s inquired what could possibly
be alleged why such a settlement should not be now exe-
cuted ?

Mr. Tito4c,r, who was counsel fur the defendant, urged
that there were certain annuities given by the will, and
that, on that account, hie client had coroidered himself
bound not to comply with the requisition of the plaintiff,
unless with the sanction of the Court.

Mr. BICKERATETII insi4ted that the will provided fur all
this, au it was therein directed that in the settlement to
be executed proper uses and remedies alt,,uld be limited
and provided for securing all the annuities.

The Merrita of the ROLLS concurred in this observa-
tion, remarking, that the defendant had been (it was quite
clear) but ill advsed in opposing the execution of the set-
tlement, to which his Honour declared that the plaintiff
was entitled, and decreed that it should be forthwith
executed accordingly. lie also remarked, that Mr. Darell
might very well htve taken upon himself to approve of,
and execute, the settlement (as his co.trustee, Sir Richard
liedinglitid had previously agreed to do) without putting
the plaintiff to the necessity of instituting a suit. The
Master of the Rolls further observed, that although costs
were not prayed against that defendant, he would be very
unwilling to give hits his costs of the suit. His Honour,
therefure, allowed all parties their costs of the suit out of
the Trust Eqatett, except the defendant Darell, who, he
ordrred, should pay his own costs up to the hearing.

An attempt has been made by the agent of
Don Min trim in this country to renew the friendly inter-
course which subsisted between him and the Foreign
Office when under the controul of the Earl of AERADEEN
but we hardly need say that it has not met with success.
Curt Journal.

Meetings in furtherance of the great cause of
Parliamentary Reform are being held in various parts of
the kingdom. The counties of Exeter and Devon led the
way, and the subject has been since taken up in Scotland—
that hot-bed of Parliamentary corruption—in a spirit that
promises to be attended with the happiest results. It is
an example which should be universally followed. There
can be no doubt that this question will shortly be brought
forward by the new Government; suit it is the duty of the
people, both to themselves and to Ministers, that the latter
should he strengthened in their good purposes, by the expres-
lion of the public voice in favour of an effectual reform of
the Representative system. The present Administration
is essentielly popular, as well in its construction as in its
objects. There was never a Government so unobjectionable
in point of character ; and we feel a thorough conviction
that that character will not be sullied by their con-
duct, if they are duly supported by tee country.
On this much depends. The right of petition is one
which should not lie confined to only one purpose,
It should be used not merely as a terror and a check
upon bid men and a wicked policy, but as a protection
and encouragement to good Ministers and wholesome uses
sores. The present appears to us to be a time peeilliarly
suitable for the exercise of this invaluable privilege in the
friendly sense, Nutwithetanding the disposition of the
Government to bring the question to a successful issue,
there are signs in the times to show that they will have to
encounter an opposition over which they can only be sm.
bled to triumph by an emphatic declaration of public sen-
timent in favour of Reform. The Duke of WELLING.
TON'S violent tirade against all improvement is too recent
to have been forgotten ; and the attempt made by the
Duke of NEWCASTIA to wheedle Earl ()U Rl' into a post-
posemeet of the subject, evinces pretty clearly that those
noble personages, the party to which they belutig, and
their satellites, will offer a most uncompromising opposi-
thin to the measure. They ossert that its agitation, under
present circumstances, would he attended with danger;
but the Government, acting on the well-founded opinion,
that danger would lie created by delay rather than by set-
tlement, have rightly resolved to intreduer the question at
as early a period as may be comp ttible with the proper ar-
rangement of their plans. In this determination, we re-
peat, they should be imprinted by the people, whose Mi-
nistry they are, and whom it behoves to cheer them on-
ward, in A wise and virtuous course of policy, by every
means in their power. Icy strengthening the hands of
the Government, they would give vigour to their cause,
and animation to its defender's, Against the union of the
people with Ministers, no combination of corrupt power
and undue pretension could make head for a 'tingle hour.
Without such a concentration of influence and opinion,
the supporters of things the they are may prevail over jus-
tice and right. Induced by no consideration but an
anxious desire to see the institutions of the country re-
stored to a healthful and efficient state, by the halals of
a parotid end honest Government, we recommend
the people of England to invest Ministers with such
a degree of moral power as twit' suffice to carry
them victoriously through the great stroegla in which
they are about to engage. For this purpose we should
be filed to see the county of Durham stand forward,
t
soft which it
r
ied
and
ftassument backward
proudiy
a.ni
i,tissrteta:eipt:r
erertitnec:
eve,,ner
yi t(t(rs,efteatointical
snore gloriously Ural it might do at this period. It is 110
inciples of
factious ilesign which we call upon it to support, bot the
cause of good government, of national rights and public
justice, ell ever the world—and especiady of retrench.
mint and evonotny, putil;e. prosperity and private comfort,
et house. Let not the people be deceived fir misled. Their
interest will be best consulted by pursuing thi;kin,elnolttoittra%u'vste-4ineetriti•oe:
sums*. Those who advise them to held
stand aloof, and regard in silence the efiiirts
nitstry firmed
have avowed tolnieitriwintention to make in their behalf, are
not friend; taut enemies, whose motives should be suspected
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nicottin:hb6yt thea d4ti3s,iiill.utLitii..f
pia tail anti hoof ;
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ftlptrile people
their
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bid and
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ton
a satedrYreirrytill:lo a and flaairsemsitrit'll:edBle 4'h
atte'rteo divert them by sob-
tilties. They may he told Reform would revolutionise
the country, or that by 4,4'1111'141'W petition they would
affix a stigma on the Government, by ineittueting it to
be unworthy of public ttUflttls°Ct We say again, let -not
the pimple tie betrayed. Want of confidence, is one thing
—a blind confidence another. It would he no imputation
on the character of airy Ministry, entrusted with the di-
rection of the eirairs of such it power
not one
Gorrea4thß,4oliiuttaeind,ist!
us
To petition on this
twr 111:;,1 buttbem
yet of rae ajee:titoa eye.
ri
question would he to do nothing In9re than would be
prudent on the part of toe people, while it could not be
otherwise than acceptable to the Governtnent, its tending
en establish the necessity of that Reform which they are
pledged to originate, and upon- which the salvation of the
country, and the public weal, entirely depend,—Thanam
Chronicle.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Dic. 14.

The LORD CHAwentoa took his seat on the Wool
sack shortly after Five &dock.

NEGRO SLAVERY.

Petitions against Negro Slavery were prevented by Lord
Won; Lord WYNTORD, and the Bishop of LONDON.
Sir A. GRANT, and others from the Commons, brought
up the Colonial Validity Bill.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from
St. Albans, praying for a repeal of the duty on sea-borne
coal.

Lord BEXLEY presented a petition from the Jews re-
siding in London,. praying for rel:ef from their disabilities.
His Lordship concurred in the prayer of the petition.

TIT H ES.'

Lord KING presented a petition from Southampton,
praying fur rm dress of the grievances under which
the inhabitants laboured, but more especially from ti e
impost of tithes. Seeing several of the heads of the church
in theit places, he would take that opportunity of stating a
few of his views on the subject of tithes, which otherwise
he would have been unwilling to enter upon. A Reverend
Prelate had last year brought before their Lordships
a Bill fur the commutation of tithes, and indeed it could nut
be denied that great complaints very justly existed on the
subjects of tithes. It had been said by some that the
tithe system worked well, that the corn laws worked
well, anti that corrupt Parliaments worked well—
(Hear, hear, hear)—be denied it altogether. Ile
believed no doubt existed in the mind of any honest
man of the injurious effects produced by the tithe system.
Great differences, however, he would admit arose
as to the manner in which that injury was pro-
duced ; some believed it to arise on account of
tithes being an impost on gross produce ; some
took quite a different view of the subject ; however,
for his own part, he believed tithes to be a public nuisance.
Under the existing circumstances nf. the stountry they
were highly prejudicial to the public, because they pre-
vented a larger investment of capital in the cultivation of
land Land had been driven out of cultivation by its prejtt.
dicial effects, and been allowed to go to grass. As an example
of the ill effects produced in land by this infamous system
he would only mention to their Lordships that in France
land of a very inferior nature to that in England was in a
high state of cultivation. There, before the revolution,
the tithes were not near so rigidly enforced as in England,
and since that important event tithes had been abolished
is that country altogether. As to a commutation of tithes
at the present day it would never do, they in his (Lord
K.'s) opinion must be eradicated altogether. Scotland
was free from tithes, and free cultivation of land went on
rapidly there. Many parts connected with the church
wanted purging. He (Lord King) would abolish
Deans, Chapters, and all such trumpery. He would also
clear away the cumbrous lumber of golden anti of brazen
prebende. The Bishops themselves were nut now the
Representatives of the Clergy they formerly were ; they
were like Old Sarum, and some few other places he could
mention—rotten, and goad for nothing.--(Hear, hear.)
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY raid that the
Noble Lord had been pleased to reflect upon those who
presided over the Established Church rather severely.
He would not follow that course with resilient to the
Noble Lord, but would only remind him that in the
course of thelast Session a Bill had been withdrawn which
would have obviated many of the difficulties to which
the Noble Lord had alluded. He (the Archbishop of
Canterbury) was in hopes that a Bill of a similar nature
would be introduced after the recess, the measures of
which he trusted would he satisfactory to the Noble Lord.
The Bishop of LONDON said, that the Noble Lord
(King) had stated, with truth, that repeated and vehe•
ment attacks had of late been made upon the system of
tithes. Why that sort of property should be attacked more
than other property in land, which, as well as tithes, was
possessed only by virtue of the lawa--(Hear)—ime (the
Bishop of London) could not explain, sinless it were because
the Clergy, of whom they were the property, were the
weaker party. No man more than the Right Rev. Prelate
could be convinced of the claims of the country in its pre-
sent state en time consideration of their Lordship. Ile
knew, front many years' experience as a Parochial Clergy.
man, that the agricultural labourers generally were suffering
under great distress; which, however, was attributable not
to the tithe-system, but to the unfortunate arhninistration
of the Poor Lawn—( Hear)—concerning which great mil.
takes had been committed. Another important cause of
the distress would be found in the years of are prosperity,
during which all classes, both clergy and laity, except the
lower orders, had acquired habits of luxury, from which
it was very difficult to descend, when the appearance of
prosperity had passed away. But all those classes were
now prepared to stake say arrangements which, after
due deliberation, might seem likely to relieve the distress.
He admitted that tithes bad been raised in the same pro.
portion as rents had been raised, and he thought it reason •
able that both should go on pari paszu. Every sound
economist knew that tithes were really a second rent. If
they should cease to be collected, their amount would go
to increase the rent of the landlord. The clergy were en-
titled to their rent not only by immemorial usage, but by
titlme.dreda, as ancient and ac legitimite as those by which
the landlords theinselvea held their estates. He did not
doubt that the present Reverend incumbent of the parish
of Oakhsm could produce as legal proofs of his right,
as the Noble Lord himself (Lord King) could produce
in support of his claims to the land of that parish. He
(the Bishop of London) would not assert that there
were not defects iii the working of the tithe.sys.
tern, although he considered the principle the best
which could be acted upon • fate time support of the
clergy. He could honestly repel the imputation that the
tithes were collected with rigour. He knew that in few
parishes the full tenth of the produce was collected, and
that in many parishes not more than the one-sixth of the
tenth. It had fallen to his lot to observe that in places
where, from time immemorial, tithes bad been collected in
kind, undisturbed harmony existed between the clergy and
their parishioners; and in unfavourable weather he bad
known the latter frequently carry home the rector's tenth.
Ile by no means agreed with the Noble Lord that it would.
be better fur the clergyman to have a fixed and invariable
allowance, instead of one rising and falling with the rents.
Had such a mode been adopted before the depreciation of
the currency, what would since have been the condition of
the clergy ? Many would not have possessed an income if
nature than 35/. a year, and few more than 80/. So far
from the truth were the shameful calumnies that hail been
industriously spread abroad respecting the property of the
Church, that if time value of all the ecclesiastical property
which remained in the hands of the clergy were collected
in one fund, and divided equally amongst the whole of the
clergy, it would not afford more to each than about 3501
a year. Now he was sure that, in the present habits of
society, that was not an allowance too high for oleo of the
education and time learning for which time clergy were dis-
tinguished. Ile would say that that property might ad.
mit of a better distribution, if an arrangement for that
purpose could be effected consistently with respect for
property, arid he would add.—though he did so with
hesitation, as it might be attributed to his selfishness._.
with respect for 'reared rights. Such an arrangement
would preserve the Church of England, what She had
hitherto ever bean, the pride of Protestant Europe, and
the honour anal support of the British Constitution.—
(Hoar, hear.) _ _

Lord KING denied that he had charged the Church of
E r
lye rigour in the exaction of tithes;
l of the clergy were en-
forced friqueutly with more rigour than those of the land-
lords. Ile b,lieved that the clergy of the Church of Eng-
untg he mli i=ree thati the claims
land did collect its revenues more rigorously than the
clergy of any Catholic country. Ai to what the Right
Reverend Prelate had said respecting the tithes going en
par; passu with the rents, he must sty that rents had
fallen to one-fifth from one third of the gross produco,
whilst the tithe was still one-tenth. lie would ask the
Right Res,. Lord what did he call going on part pains
No fat mer in his senses would give the full value for land
when taking it upop lease, for such was the fluctuation in
the value of produce, occasioned by the Corn Laws, that
he dared not bind himself to the full rent. Be the fluc-
tuation what it might, the revenue of the tithe-receiver
was not affected, however the landowner might soft r.
The Marquis of BuTE thought it but justice to the
Clergy to declare, that in his transactions as landowner
w4h the receivers of tithes, he had always found the
ecclesiastical proprietopi much less rigorous than the lay
improPriatore. The. , Marquis was anxious for
permanent coininutanun of the tithes, so arranged tha.
the Clergy might be preserved from the injurious collision
of interests with their parishioners which sometimes took
petition was ordered to lie on the ta11:!.
DUTY ON SEA-BORNE COALS.
The 1.7,411 of sll4vTEssllny pr'esenttd a petition
from Dslkeith, praying for 4 reduction of the duty on
Sea. borne Guile

Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a similar petition
from inhabitants Of Loudon. That subject bad come be-
fore their .Lordships in two successive Sessions, and a
Gm,,„ittee of the House of Commons hsd been occupied
with it. He was desirous to pros upon his Majesty's
Government, that if they found themselves enabled to di-
Miuish .iny part of the 'public burdens, the tales of which
the petitioners colnplained,especially merited their conse-
deration. He would not hesitate to say, that no other
taxoti were more unjust is principle, Or mote mischievous

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in operation. They enhanced the value of an universal
necessary of life to the counties, which, being most die:
tent from the place of its production, would receive it
with greater difficalty and at heavier expellee than those
counties which are altogether exempt from that tax, to
which they were subjected, and which to them amounted
almost to a prohibition from the use of that neceA.
eery. The characteristics of those duties were, that they
were taxes upon industry—and upon a necessary of
life—and at the same time unequal and parti 41 in their
pressure. He did not know by what principle their im-
position had been regulated. Perhaps it was for the
purpose of enabling the English to compete with the
Scotch collieries, that coals to any part of Scotland were
comparatively exempt from the duty, whilst those to
any part of the eastern ceatt of England paid six shil-
lings a ton. Coals carried to Ireland paid much less than
Vacate which were conveyed to the western and southern
parts of England ; and Wales seemed to be equally
favoured. He could not explain the principles on which
these arrangements had been made. It had been said,
that if those duties were taken off, the public would gain
nothing, and the amount woul.f go into the pockets of
the coal-owners. But of that there could be no danger, the
competition of the coal-owners themselves would prevent
that. With regard to what had been said respecting the
combination of coal-owners to keep up the prices, the Noble
Lord explained that they took care to ascertain the ex-
tent of the demand in the southern counties, and to regu-
late the supply to that demand. Such an arrangement
was necessary for the protection of the proprietors of the
lesser collieries, the produce of which was as important
to the southern market as was diet of the great collieries.
The proprietors of those collieries had offered to farm the
duties of the Government, or to pay a rent out of their
own 'pockets equal to the amount of the taxes. That
proposal had been laid aside, from a variety of objections.
One great objection to those imposts was, the excessive de-
lay which they occasioned on the transmission of coals.
Front the time that coals arrive in the pool until they
reached the house of the consumer, the dues exacted ex-
ceeded their cost to the moment when they were put into
the ship. The original cost per cheldron was thirteen shil-
lings, the freight to London about ten or twelve ;
and the various expenses after their arrival in London
amounted to twenty4ix shillings. Though he was far
from wishing to call upon Ministers to express a decided
opinion, yet he should be happy to hear from them that
they were not unmindful of this, among other burdens upon
the people.
The petition was then brought up and read. It was from
the Lord Mayor and Corporation of London.
Earl GREY said, that his opinions were, perhaps, not
materially diff, rent front these of the Noble Lord, but in the
short interval since he had taken office it bad not been pos-
sible for him to advert, in detail, to the subject. That it
well deserved consideration, he was of all men the least
likely to deny ; for, although he hail himself no property
in seals, he had connections who were deeply engaged in
them, and he was acquainted with many of the agents in
the coal districts. Be believed that the revenue derived
from coals was not less than 800,000/. er 900,000/. a
year—a sum not easily to be spared ; and applications
had been already made to him for the repeal of other taxes,
the operation of which was considered net less injurious.
He should be happy if he could at once propose the repeal
of the duty on coals, but such a step could certainly not be
taken witriont first taking into view all the facts, and the
general taxation of the country. It was impossible for
him to give a pledge beyond this—that, as the question de-
served serious consideration, it should receive it.
The petition was then laid upon the table.
The LORD CHANCELLOR brought in a Bill for
amending the Law relating to the Sale of Agricultural
Produce in open market in Scotland. The Noble Lord
observed, that hit wish was to attract the attention of the
agriculturists of Scotland to the subject in the first in-
stance ; he should, therefore, move merely that the Bill
be read a first time and printed, in order that it might be
circulated, and lie over until after the approaching recess.

TRADE IN LEAD.
The Marquis of CLEVELAND moved for returns of
the quantity of Lead and Lead Ore imported and exported
into and from Great Britain and Ireland, Goth January 1,
1829, to January 1, 1830, with the total amount of duty
paid, and other particulars.
Lord AUCKLAND consented, and expressed his regret
that the districts engaged in the production and manufac-
ture of lead were so severely distressed.
BISHOPS' COURTS IN IRELAND.
On the motion of Lord GIZNOALL, returns were or-
dared of the number of Bishops' Courts in Ireland, the
number of Suits in them, and the costs of those Seim--
Adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, DEC 14.
EVESHAM ELECTION.
Mr. Dyson brought up the evidence taken before the
Committee on this eledion.

Mr. W. DUNCOMBE moved that the evidence be
printed, as no doubt the report of the Committee would
be followed up by a motion to disfranchise the borough,
which presented one whole mass of bribery and corrup-
tion. lie was sure, therefore, that the public would not
in such a case grudge the expence of printing.
The Marqui► of CHANDOS said, it was his intention
to move that the writ which had been ordered for the
borough be for a time suspended.
The SPEAKER raid such a course had never been
pursued since tie passing of the Grenville Aet. Since
that period the Rouse bad never interfered to suspend a
writ which it bad once ordered to issue.

Mr. WELLS denied there was any proof that the whole
of the inhakitante had been guilty of bribery and corruption.
Mr. ELI.ICE thought the Noble Marquis should have
given notice of his motion to suspend the writ.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON was surprised to hear of
such an objection from such a quarter. The new Govern-
ment professed to be favourable to Parliamentary Reform
and yet the Secretary of the Treasury; when a motion was
about to be made to suspend a writ for the porpoise of
ascertaining the corruption of a borough, started a tech-
nical difficulty. He (Mr. Thompson) could not conceive
that any difficulty would arise from cusp tiding the writ.
Mr. ELLICE expitined. Ili* only reoson for wishing
the Noble Lord to give notice was, that Hon. Members
who generally took part in ►nch discussions might have
an opportunity of knowing that such a subject was coming
under the consideration of the House.
After a few words from Mr. Burd.r.a, Mr. F. BARING,
and Lord G. LENNOX,

Mr. CLIVE said, that out of 426 voters in the ho-
rough, bribery had only been proved against 22 ; although,
from public report, they all certainly had participated in
it. It was not, however, his intention to advise any fut.
titer proceedings. He did not think it would be right to
punish the whole borough for the delinquencies of a few.
The SPEAKER here said the present discussion was
somewhat irregular. The question before the Hours re•
fated simply to the printing of the evidence. The Noble
Lord had, however, intinnted that it was his intention to
move for a suspension of the writ. Now whether the writ
was to be suspended or superseded, that was not the proper
time to discuss it, us the further consideration of the re-
port was fired for Thursday. It would therefore, per-
haps, be better if the Noble Lord would give notice of his
intention to move for a suspension or a super:whits on
that day.
The Marquis of CHANDOS then withdrew his motion,
and gave notice of it for Thursday next, after which, on
the motion of Mr. Dusicouna, the evidence was ordered
to be printed.