The Sun.
London, England, 1863-07-16 00:00:00

PaLLIKENT

HOUSE OP CON MONS—Last .Evening,

The SPEAKER took ti Le, chair at 25 minutes past 12
o'clock, the full complemea tof members—forty—not having
been obtained before that time.
PRIV.d7'73 BUSINESS.

The Romney and Br, )cor t and Merthyr Tydvil Junction
Railways bill wag read t t tJ iird time.

T FIE ►IAN BUDGET.

Mr. BAZLEY intim: itc id that to-morrow he should ask
the Secretary of state fi.n. India, when he intended to make
his anLual financial stater amt.
KITCHEN AlirD R. 3 ?,FRESHMENT-ROOMS.—
AD JOUR. NED DEBATE.

Sir DE LACY :VAN'S, in the absence of the hon. and
gallant member for .Roscc namon (Colonel French), proposed
the following motioi i :—" That in the opinion of this house
the enlargement of the di sing rooms proposed by the cotn-
mittee on the kitchan as ad refreshment rooms should be
carried into execution." the proposed alteration was indis-
pensable for the comfort a r .d convenience of the members.

Lord 11.0THA.31 opposes I the motion, because the pro-
posed alterations would inti rfere with the division lobbies,
and would be a waste of pui bhc money. The fact was that
some hon. members desired to assimilate the refreshment
rooms of the House of Corn mons to the coffee•rooms of the
Clubs, which he considere, I. an objectionable step. One of
the coffee-rooms was open . to the public. If, therefore,
hon. members required n sore accommodation this room
could be kept entirely for i i'lem. It was proposed to allow
the manager of the rooms £2OO a year, in order to obtain
better viands and wines. He objected to the expenditure
of the public money on any Birch purpose, because it would
be akin to paying wages to members of Parliament. Let
hon. members pay for what they had.
Sir P. O'BRIEN support ea the proposed change.
Sir J. TRELAWNY , del )recated the expenditure of
public money on members' dinners. Such a suggestion
made in public made his bloo, d boil. (Laughter.) If they
acceded to n allowance, they would greatly lower the
dignity of the house.
Mr. BASS considered that an ample allowance should
be allowed to the caterer.
Mr. OSBORNE was Burp rised at a financial reformer
like the hon. member (Mr. Bs es) supporting this motion,

Mr. BASS—No, no.
Mr. OSBORNE understoo, i that he sat for Derby on
financial reform principles.
Mr. BASS--Nolhing of the ikind.
Mr. OSBORNE said the ho erase was so defectively con-
structed, even at a cost of L: 1.,000,000, that neither that
house nor any part of it was properly constructed. The
committee who drew up the re port on the proposed altera-
tions not only desired a sump atuous dining room, but cel-
lars where some eminent wir te: merchants who had been
selected could deposit stocks. of wines. If this were
permitted, the Speaker would often find himself alone in
the chair, and the hon. memo( r for Derby and the others
who had signed the report -w ould spend their days and
nights in drinking. (Roars of laughter.) The debates
were never better conducted than in the old days of mutton
chops at Bellamy's,
Col. WHITE explained that the cellars were already
constructed. The commute in making their recommen-
dations, imply desired to promote the comfort and conve-
nience of the members. Mr. Steers supplied wine at a very
reasonable price.
Mr. BENTINCK supported the motion.

Mr. COWPER said the laouse ought to be much obliged
to the committee for the trouble they had taken in this
matter. It would be well to try and discover whether better
accommodation could not be made without the proposed
expenditure of £5,000. (Hear, hear.) He advised the hon.
and gallant member to withdraw his motion and defer the
matter until next session.

After a few words from Mr. DILWYN,
Sir DE LACY EVANS withdrew the motion.
PARTNERSHIP LAW AMENDMENT BILL.

This bill was recommitted, in. order to introduce soma
amendments.

Mr. HUBBARD moved that the chairman leave the
chair. He considered that the bill in the present form
would prove utterly valueless to the commercial commu-
nity.

Mr. CAVE, whilst he considered the principle of
"limited liability" incited the people to embark in
hazardous speculations, yet he should support the
bill, though based somewhat on that system, because it
would merely use it in its very mildest and harmless sense.
Mr. GOSCHEN warmly supported the bill.
Mr. VANCE opposed the bill, whilst Mr. FORSTER looked
upon it as an indispensable addition to the existing law of
limited liability.
Mr. T. BARING strongly opposed the measure because.
in his opinion, it would introduce lax principles into trade
by taking away that inducement to trade carefully which
sow existed in firms responsible to their last shilling for all
the obligations into which they might enter.
Mr. WEGUELIN approved of the bill because it would
base trade upon distinct and public capitals, which was the
natural basis of all credit. The bill would rather restrict
than expand credit, and keep it within proper bounds. It
Vi as the limited liability of companies that limited and re-
gulated their credit.
Mr. M. GIBSON said the bill had already received the
approval of the house, and been carefully sifted by a select
committee, to which it was carried by the express desire of
the house ; and it was, therefore, a most unusual proceed.
ing for the hon. member for Buckingham (Mr. Hubbard)
to raise a debate on the general principles of the measure at
that stage, and so retard the examination of the clauses
agreed to by the select committee. (Hear, hear.) He
asked the committee to go into the clauses.
Mr. BAZLEY supported the amendment, believing that
the bill would promote private trade at the expense of the
public.
Mr. LINDSAY supported the bill. He saw no reason
why the principle cf limited liability should not be allowed
to two people as to seven, as the law at present stood.
Mr. STANILAND supported the bill.
Colonel DICKSON opposed.
The committee divided, when there appeared--
For the motion
40
Against it
70
Majority
—3O
The clauses were then proceeded with, and were agreed
to with various amendments, and after a lengthy discussion.
'1 he House resumed. Report on Monday.
ANCHORS AND CHAIN CABLES BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
On clause 1,
Mr. TURNER proposed to insert after the word " per-
sons" " not being manufacturers of anchors or chain
cables," so that parties in this position could not conclu-
sively test their own anchors or chain cables, or those of
others, and give th required certificates.
The committee divided, when there appeared—.
For the amendment 6O
Against 3O
Majority ................
The words were therefore added to the clause.
Mr. LINDSAY said the bill, as thus amended, would be
found utterly inoperative.
AT
The
ea
further quarter
progress
g six
birlul7'inedc'emmittee was de-
ferred.
The Jurisdiction Justices Bill was read a second time.
rxtshoef ilothuese
The Pauper Lunatics Asylums Bill was read a second

time.
UNIONTINUANCE
The FOrti A
RELIEF
fiCatiODS Bill,lD AuTs amen_d
6_ed,C was considered.
BILL. ON
Shborpoeudghtht
euphoann. new clause.
On the motion that this bill, as amended be considered,
a would not
^ HILDERS postponed the clause.
mr. C
Mr. CHILTDErs
Laws Continuance The Expiring Bill was read a second
time,
oreMssr.hVisicilaLuse.
The house rose shortly before six o'clock.