The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-22 00:00:00

14NENING EDITION.

the Noble Earl who
.opened the debate did not differ in
epinion with his Noble Friend as to the non- necessity of
any new laws. The Noble Duke, indeed, bad hinted at
measures, but bad not stated what those measures were to
be.—(The Noble and Learned Lord then read several ex-
tracts from the speeches of the Noble (Roden) to
show that it was impossible, consistently with his recorded
reasons and opinions, for him to bring forward the present
motion, and to defend himself against certain unjustifiable
and calumnious imputations, cast on him (Lord Plunket),
in 1827, by the Noble Earl. He would also call the at-
tention of the House to the speeches of the Noble Earl on
the Refurm Bill, and on various other occasions, in order
to prove to the House that the Noble Earl was no very
safe adviser on any subject. The Noble Earl had taken
upon himself to pass judgment on the Marquis of Wel-
lesley, a statesman whose name was now adored in
extensive countries where the name of the Noble Earl
had never been beard of, and would be remembered when
the Noble Earl should be forgotten. The consequence of
adopting the motion of the Noble Earl would be to com-
mit the supporters of it to the repeal of the Emancipation
Act, of the Reform Act, and of the Education Act, and
he hardly thought his Noble and Learned Friend would
go so far as this, or would agree with the
Noble Earl in his censure of the Marquis of Wellesley.
Since 1798 Ribbonism machinery had not been completely
removed from Ireland, nor had it increased. There was
not, he was sure, any tendency to insurrection in Ireland
—but Ribbonism should be watched and, if need, be
punished. He differed from his Noble and Learned
Friend that mercy was no longer so if it did not proceed
from justice. But he believed that the ancient custom of
this country was on the aceession of a Sovereign, down to the
reign of George the Third, to pass a General Act
of Grace. ( Hear, hear.) He would admit that
this might be a foolish custom. But the Noble Marquis did
not go beyond the limits of the prerogative of mercy in the
pardons he had granted. The Noble Lord (Brougham)
did not blame what he called the " delinquency" of the
Noble Marquis in 1837. What additional reason had he
now to do so ?—( Hear, hear.) But suppose the Noble
Earl should come to the vote on the motion of censure,
would his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Brougham)
neutralise and contradict all his former acts, and
turn round on all the friends he had so long
acted with, to join now in a factious vote of
censure, which was a mere party measure—(Cheers)
—from which no good could come, and which bad no other
view than to overturn the present Ministry—a vote in
which the intelligent people of England, Ireland, and
' Scntland would not concur. The other party in this
most extraerdinary coalition would soon have reason to re-
pent the alliance they were now making with the Noble and
Learned Lord. Depend upon upon it, he would soon re-
pay himself with usury, as usual, for the advances he was
now nicking.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord BROUGHAM explained. He would have said
fiftc en months ago what be had just said, if he bad been
driv:,ri to it. He merely agreed with the Noble Lords op-
posite only on this one view—the necessity of the motion for
a Comniittee. lie had been very much misrepresented by
the Noble Lord (Rossmore), who had spoken for the first
time to. night. He said he (Lord B.) had attacked Ire-
land ;be had not—he praised the people of Ireland rather.
The Marquis of NO RMAN BY said he wanted none of
the forbaar-InCe noun assumed by the Noble and Learned
Lord. lie had made professions of friendship last year
and corgratulated him upon folowing up the administration
of Lord Wellesley—now he uncandidly retracted those

pro tesiion s.
Lord BROUGHAM explained. He would not have
Er,,,Acn as he had fificen months ago if the facts had been
to prominently brought forward then as they had been
to-aiight. lie bad done his duty candidly and ho-
nestly, and if he even had made professions under
a niistake, was bis mruth to be stopped for ever? He
would vote only for an ingniry, that could not amount, as
yet. at least, to a vote of censure.
the .Eart of WINCHILSEA entirely concurred with

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the Noble 'and Learned Lord in support of the motion of
th,! Noble Earl. Ile vindicated the character of the Noble
Earl ( linden) as a great benefactor and honour to Ireland.
Tl:e Ead I of RODEN replied in a few words.
Srritogers were then ordered to withdraw, and their

Lordships dt‘ided.
• Contt nts 63
Non- contents 5B
Majority in favour of the Motion —s
The licuse adjourned at a Quarter past Four.
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