The Sun.
London, England, 1839-02-07 00:00:00

HIGHWAYS.

Mr. BA RNABY gave notice that on Friday next he should more
for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the laws relative to highways.

REGISTRATION OF VOTERS-IRELAND

Mr. Sergeant JACKSON gave notice of his intention, on Tues-
day next, to move for leave to bring in a Bill with respect to the
registration of ♦oters in Ireland, in order to assimilate it to the laws
of England.

PRIVATE BILLS.
Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE gave notice that he should to-morrow
move for a Select Committee on Private Bills.

SESSIONAL ORDERS.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the adoption of the usual Ses-
sional Orders.
Mr. WALLACE complained that no votes of the proceedings
of the House yesterday had been printed. Why such a course had
been adopted he could not pretend to say, but he should now move
that the votes of yesterday should be printed.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL could see no good reason why the usual
orders of the House should be printed. Still if it was the wish of the
House, lie would not oppose it.
Mr. HUME said it was the wish of the House.—(Laughte‘-.) ft
was the wish of all those who did not fear the light, and wished thit
all should be open and fair.—(Hear, hear.) Surely the House would
agree to such a reasonable proposition. What use In dividing 'the
House upon such a motion?
Mr. WALLACE was always sorry to interrupt any business of
the House. He had called the attention of the House to the mat-
ter, and hoped it would be carried no further. If his Hon. Friend,
the Member for Kilkenny, divided the House, he would be com-
pelled to vote against him.—(A laugh.)
Mr. O'CONNELL--The House ought to agree at once to the
motion of his Honourable Friend.—(Hear, hear.) That
was the only assembly in the whole world in which public
business was commenced at the moment when they ought to be
going to bed.—(Laughter.)Why should they not commence and finish
their business in the open day. The present practice might be very
convenient for a few practising barristers and a few London met,
chants, but it was most Inconvenient to every one else. Those
come to his time of life and even many younger, felt it not only
inconvenient but dangerous. He had known within hi short ex-
perience five of six Members, who had come into the House hale
and hearty, who were now 119 more, and all from the late hours they
were obliged to keep. It was idle to say that they could not conduct
public business in the day time—surely they might conduct the busi-
ness of legislation without sitting up all night. Ministers have..the
twenty-four hours, in which they have plenty of time to do their
work ; let them sit at night if they liked, but let the House not he
the only assembly, either judicial or legislative, which transacted
their functions when they ought to be in bed. Let the Ministers sit
up if they lilac', but let the House go !o hed.—( A laugh.) -
The SPEAKER—Do you divide ?
Mr. HUME would not divide the House, but ha hoped the
practice of printing would be adopted in future-
The first Sessional order was then agreed IT..
INTERFERENCE OF PEEN AT ELECTIONS.
The SPEAKER then commenced reading the Standing Orders of
(Le House. On coming to the clause relating to the interference or
Peers in elections,
Mr. HU NIB objected to that clause being passed year after year.
He had heard it read, and year alter year be had seen the order ut-
terly disregarded.
Mr. SPEA KER—This paragraph is as to ther.i_gh(tAofiaPueeg7.)givi::
ti heir vote at election's'
Mr. HUME—Then it is the next paragraph,—(A
the next clause being read, the Hon. Gentleman said he wished
to ask the House if there was any use in passing this resolution,
year after year, when it was in the knowledge of every one
that it was totally disregarded. He had heard Peers intpll_
cated in interfering, and such interference defended. He wished tosula-
mit whether it was consiatent with the dignity of the House, of which
they heard so much, to continue to pass such a resolution. He wished
the Peers to be left to their own discretion to act in any way
they pleased, and did not wish to interfere with the Peers in
any way. One law ought to be applicable to every case. People
were placed in different situations at different times. He thought
he resolution better omitted. They stultified themselves by passing
such resolutions. He had sat in that House for sixteen years, and
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had heard every year a resolution respecting a place called, ha be-
lieved, Solomon's Temple.—(A laugh.) After that period lie
had found there was.no such place, and on his objection the reso-
lution was eventually left' out, and he thought they had better.

leave out this.
Mr.O'CONNELL thought it gross hypocrisy to pass the resolution
in question, to the effect that Peers should not interfere at elections,
when every one knew that they constantly did. In the name of
common sense, why enter on the journals a resolution which was
totally inoperative ? Why disgrace themselves by recording a lie
before the public ? Every one knew they would interfere. Pro_
perty would always interfere ; it was called upon to interfere, and
the notion they ought not to interfere was absurd.
I ;Lord JOHN RUSSELL said there was a considerabic difference
in the manner in which Peers would interfere and that Of Coln.
metiers. The latter were in the habit of speaking from the hustings,
the Peers ;not. If the resolution were not agreed to it would 5C632
that the Peers were at liberty to take a similar part.
Mr. HUME—Allow me to ask whether the Duke of Bed.
ford has not taken part at elections ; and whether the Peers
of the other House have not themselves clearly stated that
they did not hold themselves bound by any such rule as
hat which is now under consideration of, and is annually passed in
this House ?
Lord J. RUSSELL—I believe not.
The House then divided, when the numbers were,
For the motion.
Against it •••• ..... 157
Majority against the motion —139
ADMISSION OF STRANGERS

On the motion " that no Member of this House be presumed to
bring any stranger or strangers into the gallery whilst the House is
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sitting,"
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recommendation of the
strangers into the
and it then came to be conedered whether they should be ad_
mined on the payment of money, as formerly, or in any
other manner, and it was determined, on the recommen,
Committee, that Members be allowed to introduce strma i
gallery. This practice had been followed from
He (Mr. H.) had this day put __....._„,.,,,, t ijant time.
the gallery. How then could he consistently with tti*iis the,.
solution, vote that no Member fhbuld take a stranger.
into the gallery ? He had no objection to the reservation
of the right of the Sergeant to take any improper person into ens_
tody ; but was it not ridiculous, with tee gallery occasionally •
filled, and every Member knowing that admitted strangers.
House
to vote for the words " that no Member of this
he presumed to take any strangeror strangers into the gallery while
the House is sitting." Why, the House was now sitting, and there
paragraph, and allowing
were strangers in the gallery, and
some Members, of course,
had presumed to bring them in. He submitted that there
would no great harm in leaving
out this
the Sergeant to take u any person who might be unruly. He
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therefore submitted that this be not agreed to.
The SPDAKER—Do you divide ?
Mr. HUME—Rather than agree to an absurdity I will divide,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the Speaker gave orders.
Mr. HUMH said it also rested with the Members to give orders,
and it was inconsistent for them to vote for the proposition.
Mr. O'CONNELL'We have a gallery full of Reporters, and it
is assumed that no Member brings them in. We have also
a gallery
full of spectators, and every Member presumes to bring
them
" In. It
is
quitea S.
Colonel IBTHORP thought that if the Honourable
Member for Kilkenny was dissatisfied with the resolution,
he ought to propose an alteration in it.
Mr. HUME suggested that the difficulty would
viated if the order was altered thus—" That no Member
ho eh_
shall presume to bring any person, a stranger, I•
[louse, except under such orders as the SPeaknt"he
direct.—( Hear, hear.) Speaker shall
The SPEAKER said a few word?, which we,
inaudible in the gallery, that we could do no
so far
mere
catch their general purport, which we believe was, th than
to in-
any time
alter the order might be injudicious, as it would tend o
troduce an idea that any Member had a right at
to introduce a stranger.—( Hear. )
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Mr. HOME said ho never wished unnoccssrrily to
a motion to a division against what appeared to be the
Pre"
general feeling of the House, and be would •withd raw the
motion.—( Hear, hoar.)
to which
The Standing Order of the House was" then 1..„,i
On the Standing Order being read, that n,
notice or
motion be given for longer than four clear notie"e
Mr. HUME said that that was the resolution days!"
he °bladed. He moved that the old practice he resorted
to of giving notice for Whatever day might happen
open. It appeared to him that the systernw; L to , " bade
lately been introduced, had been productive of .."`"
inconvenience and difficulty.
Mr. WARD did not concur with the observations very great
of the

Men. Member for Kilkenny. It appeared to him on
the contrary, that the old system had been productive
of very great inconveniences, and the notice book being
filled up for mouth after month. ' He hoped the good
sense of the House would be in favour of the new plan.
Cord JOHN RUSSELL entirely agreed with the ob-
servations of the Hon. Member for Sheffield. Public
business bad been very much interrupted under the old
'system, and he thought the plan at present adopted was
much better suited to the convenience of the House.

Mr H►liME would not put the House to a division,
thoughlthis experience told him that it would be much
better to adopt the amendment be proposed.
The order was then agreed to.
MR. D. W. HARVEY.

Mr. WYNNE said that, having seen a letter signed
by a gentleman who stated that since the last Session of
Parliament, he had accepted an office created by an Act
passed during the last Session, but that having been ad-
vised that it was incompetent for him to do so and retain
his scat in that House, he had resigned it, wished to know
the circumstances under which the acceptance and resigna-
tion of that °lice had taken place. He had no doubt
that circumstances bad occurred that had justified the
course that had been adopted ; but still it was necessary
that the House should know upon what ground the ordi-
nary practice had been deviated from. He trusted that
the Noble Lord opposite would have no objection to lay ad
the information in his power before the House.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that it would be
much better that the Right Hon. Gentleman should have
an opportunity of seeing the papers on the subject before
he gave any explanation on the subject. Ho should take
care that all the papers were laid upon the table of the
House in the course of a few days.
Mr. WYNNE thought that it would he better the
Noble Lord should move for the papers, instead of the
matter being brought forward as a communication from the