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ventiou of the law punishable by a fine of not less than a

or more than £2O.

Tile committee divided, when there appeared—

,
For the amendment . 3B
A‘4ainst it
Majority
The amendment was, therefore, introduced into the
cause.

Mr. HODGSON moved a direct negative to clause 9,
which proposes that compensation shall be awarded to the

proprietors of weirers in certain cases.
Mr. BRUCE, defended the allowance of compensation,
as simply just to the owners of property.
Afte► some discussion the amendment was negatived
without a division.

Mr. BRUCE agreed to the omission of clause 9.
Clauses 10 and 11 were agreed to, after some discussion,
and the introduction of some amendments, especially one
by Mr. Butt to the effect that one of the commissioners
:should be a barrister whose duty it would be to be present
at every meeting. .

Clauses up to 16, with some amendments, were agreed to.
There are 33 clauses in the bill, and six pages of amend-
ments art- still on the " votes."
At 4 o'clock the sitting was suspended.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND).

In reply to Mr. LANIGAN,
Sir R. PEEL said it was not the intention of the Govern •
nient t;) introduce any bill this session to facilitate the exe-
cutiun of public works in Ireland.
REFUSAL OF A CLEARANCE TO THE
GIBRALTAR.

Mr. HORSFALL asked the Under-Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs whether the British ship Gibraltar, bound
for Nassau, had been refused a clearance by the Customs
authorities at Liverpool; if so, on what ground the refusal
was based, and whether it had been done at the instigation
of Mr. Adams, the American Minister.
Mi LAY ARD, in reply, said—l beg to remind the house
that the Gibraltar is another name for a well-known vessel,
the Sumter. That vessel was sold at Gibraltar under pecu-
liar circumstances. She came to Liverpool, and it became
known to the Government that she was shipping guns of a
very heavy calibre, and for that reason her clearance had
been stopped by the Custom-house officers, but not at the
instigation of Mr. Adams. It has since been found that
these guns do not constitute a fit and proper armament for
the vessel itself, and the officers of the Crown are of opinion
that the fact of shipping these guns is not sufficient to
authorise the Government to withhold the clearance, which
will be returned.
THE NATIONAL SCHOOL AT GREENWICH.
Sir S. M. PETO asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty
whether it was intended to erect an additional wing to the
Nautical School Buildings at Greenwich, which would not
be in keeping with the new wing lately erected at a consi-
derable cost to the funds at Greenwich Hospital ; and,
whether there would be any objection to an outline plan of
the proposed wing being laid before Parliament before in-
curring any further expenditure on account thereof.
Mr. STANSFELD—The plans had only been considered
by the board. 'When adopted they would be laid on the
table. In the meantime he should be happy to show them
to his hon. friend.
THE ANCIENT CHURCH OF AUSTIN-FRIARS.
In reply to Mr. FORTESUE,
Mr. COWPER said he had no information whether it
was intended to demolish this building, and that he had no
power to prevent it.
THE NAVIGATION OF THE STOUR.
In reply to Colonel ROWLEY,
Mr. F. PEEL said negotiations were pending to secure
the rights of navigation of the Stour, and that parts of the
bed of the river was an oyster bed, which was independent
of the conservancy of the Stour.
THE MHOW COURT MARTIAL.
In reply to Mr. CONINGRAM,
The Marquis of HAETINGTON declined to give any
further informatian on the subject of the Mhow court-
martial until the papers were laid upon the table.
THE RECOGNITION OF THE SOUTHERN
CONFEDERACY.

Mr. W. E. FORSTER asked the Under-Secretary of
State for Foreign Affairs whether any communication had
been received by the Foreign Office from the French Go-
vernment relating to the recognition of the Southern Con-
federacy.
Mr. LAYARD—It is very important that I should give
a clear, definite answer to my hon. friend. No communi-
cation whatever, either as regards the offer of mediation,
of armistice, or of recognition, has, up to this moment, been
made to her Majesty's Government by the French Govern-
ment, Of course I mean since last autumn.
THE QUESTION OF PRECEDENCE BETWEEN
EDINBURGH AND DUBLIN.

Mr. BLACK asked whether the deliverance of Sir Charles
Young was to be held conclusive, with reference to the right
of precedence of Edinburgh or Dublin in presenting ad-
dresses to her Majesty ?
Sir G. GREY said he knew of no higher authority upon
the subject, and should feel justified in acting upon that
authority. _ .

RUSSIA AND POLAND.
HORSMAN gave notice that on Thursday next he
should ask whether the English Ambassador at St. Peters-
burg had ben instructed to keep back the French and Eng-
lish notes until the arrival of the Austrian note, as alluded
to by him on a former evening.
RECOGNITION OF THE KING OF GREECE.
Colonel FRENCH asked how the new King of Greece
was to be recognised by his people—whether by suffrage or
in what other manner ?

Mr, FORTESCUE—I will answer that question on
Thursday.
DZTENTION OF SUPPOSED CONFEDERATE
SUPPLIES AT LIVERPOOL.
Lord R. CECIL asked, with respect to the recent
seizure of two Blakeley guns on board the Gibraltar at
Liverpool, whether there would be any objection to lay
the correspondence on the subject before the house ?
The noble lord read a copy of a note from the shipping
agents, in which it was stated that the Government h.d
stopped the guns; but the Customs' officer had informed
them that if the guns had been for the Federal States no
objection would have been taken, as such shipments were

Emperc ego new Ministers declare it. Because one
gentlete he is about to metre war with Russia, an-
other th, about t , make war with America. lam
dispo ed e t what he is already doing; and I find
that he i ,g Rome against the opinion of all Italy—
(Hear, let No from Sir G. Bowyer)—that he is con-
quering Mexico by painful steps, every footprint marked by
devastation and blood ; that he is warring—in some desul-
tory manner, it may be—in China, and, for aught I know,
may be about to do it in Japan. Well, I say, that if we were
to add Russia and the United States, and that he is to engage
in this dismemberment of the greatest Eastern empire and
the great Western republic, he has a greater ambition I
than Louis XIV., and greater daring than the first of
his name ; and that, if be grasps these great transactions, his
dynasty will fall and be buried in the ruins of his own am-
bition. I can only say one word on the question to which
the noble lord the member for Huntingdon has devoted so
much attention; hut we have not heard all the story from
Paris; and, what is not remarkable, seeing that the secret
was confided to two persons, we have not heard it correctly.
(Hear, hear.) I saw the hon. member for Sunderland in his
place ; his face undo went divers remarkable contortions
during the speech of the hon, and learned member for Shef-
field, and I felt perfectly satisfied that he did not agree in
what his colleague was saying. It now turns out that there
is a written document which gives a memorandum of what
was set down; and I suppose, some time before this discus-
sion ends, we shall have it, and see how far the two hon,
gentlemen are agreed, I think the question of so much in-
terest, that, after hearing one story, we ought to hear the
other. Leaving that which might be considered personal,
I come to the proposition which the hon. and learned gen-
tleman has submitted to the house, and which he submitted
to his Sheffield constituents on the 27th of May, put into
these words, and in these words I am willing to receive it
—" What I have to consider is what is for the interest of
England, and what ie for her interest I believe to be for the
interests of the world." The hon. member said the honour
of England had something to do with her interests, and that
the whole case of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield
rested on a miserable jealousy, or what might be
termed a base fear—a fear as groundless as any other panic
by which the hon. and learned gentleman was from time to
time seized. He pointed out the groundlessness of the fear
that the United Mates as a confederation would join toge-
ther for aggression against England or any other country
of Europe, and said the hon, and learned gentleman, as an
experienced member of the House of Commons, ought to
consider well before he spread abroad these needless
alarms amongst the people. For such fear and miserable
jealousy he would break up a friendly nation, formed as
it were of our own flesh and blood, depart from all the
usages of nations, and throw the weight of England into
the scale in favour of the curse of slavery. With regard to
the usages of nations, no one could read the recent pamphlet
by F. W. Gibbs without being convinced that England had
three kinds of interest in this question, viz., the commercial,
the political, and the moral. With regard to the supply of
cotton, very few men were more interested in it than him-
self, and not more than three or four had studied the ques-
tion more deeply 1 hen he had done. The point he was going
to argue was that the war now going on was more likely to
abolish slavery than anything else in the world. The supply
of cotton must at all times be uncertain under the slave
system. The house thought so some years ago, because
they ordered a commission upon the subject, and but for a
very silly Minister they would have sent a commission to
India. Would it not be conceded that it would be better
that the cotton cultivation should be by free than by slave
labour ? The slave States were not half cultivated. There
was not more than 10.000 square miles of cotton planted,
and they only sent cotton over at a rate of 100,000 bales in-
crease per annum, whereas the manufacturers wanted
double that quantity. The reason was that where there
were slaves no other labourers went. None of the emigrants
who landed at the Northern ports ever went South. The
difficulty now with a Southern planter was to buy his
labour, for he had not to hire his hands only, but to buy
them, and to buy 200 negroes would cost £20,000. That
was but one item, so that but few men could enter into the
trsde. He believed that in less than 10 years after freedom
had been declared the production of cotton would be
doubled. Upon the political part of the question, he did
not mean to say that the South might not conquer the
North, and join that large party in the North which some
persons called the peace party, but which was in reality not
a peace party at all, and so form one large united king-
dom. He hoped it would not be so; and, as he believed
in the moral government of the world, he did not believe
it would be so. But should that happen, America, with
her mighty navy and almost unlimited power, might offer
to drive England out of Canada, France out of Mexico, and
out of the islands of the West Indies all those who might
be interested in them. They would thus have a State built
up of war and slavery, instead of that other State founded
upon an instructed people, upon general freedom, and upon
morality in the Government. (Much laughter.) Much had
been said about the carnage of the war ; but adding the
French to the English, and those to the Russians, Sardi-
nians, and Turks, there were more killed in the Crimean
war than in the civil war in the States. In that war the
poor victims were sent 3,000 miles away to fight for a worth-
less and undefinable cause, and when he spoke of the car-
nage then, he had been charged with maudlin sentimen-
tality. In America, however, every man knew well for what
he enlisted, and for what ho was sent to fight. (Hear, and
a laugh.) Every year before the war broke out 150,000
used to be born to the badge and doom of slavery—born
(according to laws framed by the devilish cupidity of man)
to the lash, the chain, and the branding-iron. He did not
know whether hon. members felt as he did, but when he
went home and found six little children all playing on his
hearth—(laughter)—it called up the most holy joys that be-
longed to the memory of the past, or the hopes of the future.
(Hear, hear.) If when the hand of death took one of those
household treasures their hearts were filled with sorrow,
what must be the aggregate of the multiplied grief
amongst the parents of those 150,000 poor infants born and
brought up amongst these " gentlemen" they heard so
much of—" the chivalry of the South"—those men whom
we were advised to make our friends? (Hear, hear.) Did
the house so easily forget the countless egonies that be-
longed to the thousand horrors of the slave system before
the commencement of the war? (Hear.) It was all very
well to say that slavery was not so bad as it had been
represented ; but the brother of the honourable mem-
ber for South Durham told him not long ago of one
woman in South Carolina, whose every child to the num-
ber of ten had been taken au ay frcm her and sold as soon
as it had reached a marketable age. (Rear, hear.) He had
not heard that night anything about President Lincoln's
proclamation, but we were not in a position to deny its le-
gality, As we only recognised in America one nation, one
president, and one law, that proclamation was a legal do-
cument, and the slaves of the South by it were now virtually
free. For upwards of two years the North had contended
for its existence and human freedom, and it was the first
country that had come forth as the defender of freedom
and equality. Yet the hon. and learned member fer Shef-
field wished to throw the hostility of Europe into the scale
against them. The effect of a war would be to ruin our com-
merce, and at its termination that great and free people, the
most instructed—(oh, oh)—in the world, and the most
wealthy, would have left in their hearts wounds that pro-
bably centuries would not heal, and which the posterity of
some of those who heard him might look back upon with
amazement and lamentation at the course that had been
taken by the hon. member for Sheffield and those who sup
ported him. He hoped the house would not assist his coun-
trymen to lift their hands or voices in aid of the most stu-
pendous act of guilt which history had recorded in the
annals of any race. (Cheers, and Oh, oh.)
Mr, P. WINDHAM supported the recognition of the
Southern States, and concluded by moving the adjournment
of the debate. (Cries of " Adjourn," and for Mr. Lindsay.)
Sir G. GREY, after referring to the statement made
by the hon. member for Sheffield, said he was unable to
give any explanation of it, and all he could say was that
what the hon. member had stated was at total variance
with the information her Majesty s Government possessed
of what had passed between the two Governments ; and,
further, Baron Gros had called upon Lord Russell, and
had informed him that he had received no such instructions
from the Emperor as had been stated by the hon. and
learned member for Sheffield. (Hear, hear.) His hon.
friend the Under-Secretary did not know what had oc-
curred when he answered the question in the House of
Commons that no such information had bean received. But
there certainly was no breach of confidence in impart-
ing to Mr, Seward the communication from the Emperor
of the French. All that happened with reference to the sub-
ject he could not precisely say, but this he knew, that the
receipt of the despatch was no secret at the time. It was
discussed in the newspapers, and it was answered in cour-
teous terms, of which the Emperor had no reason to com-
plain, and of which he never had complained. No doubt
the despatch of Lord Russell was communicated to Lord
Lyons, that he might be fully possessed of what was pass-
ing in Europe with respect to the contest in America ; but
so far from there being any secrecy with regard to it, why,
the very first day of the meeting of Parliament it was laid
upon the table of the house. He must say Lord Lyons was
utterly incapable of the conduct imputed to him, and that
throughout he had acted in a manner even to justify the
high esteem of the American Government.
Lord R. CECIL said he had no intention of imputing to
L ,rd Lyons any act that was contrary to official duty. He
was merely repeating the statement made by the hon. mem-
ber for Sheffield in the early part of the evening, but he had
no desire to charge him with having broken any order from
the Foreign Office. No doubt, whatever Lord Lyons did
was in strict conformity with the orders addressed to him
by the Foreign Office.
After some observations from Mr. NEWDEGATE in
strong antagonism to the resolution,
The debate was then adjourned.
In reply to Mr. ROEBUCK and Lord R. MoerveGu,
Sir G. GREY was understood to say that the discussion
could be renewed on Monday; but
Mr. ROEBUCK said he would bring it on in going into
committee of supply on Thursday.
POISONING BILL.

Lord RAYNHAM having moved the second reading
of this bill,
Sir G. GREY moved that the second reading be post-
poned until that day three m:mths, which was carried
without a division.
CORPORAL PUNISHMENT IN SCHOOLS BILL.
Viscount RAYNHAM moved the second reading of

this bill, and stated that its object was to put a check on
cruel schoolmasters, who like Mr. Squeers—(laughter)--
permanently improved children by savage punishments.
The bill provided that only a birch rod should be used for
the purposes of chastisement. (Laughter.)
Sir G. GREY opposed the bill, and urged that the law
already reached persons who, having the charge of children,
were guilty of excessive punisbment.
Lord H. TREVOB, moved that the bill be road a third
time that day three months.
After some conversation,
The motion was carried without a division, and the bill

The Metropolitan Main Drainage Guarantee of Repay-
ment of Money) Bill, the object of which is to guarantee
£1,200,000 in addition to the £3,000,000 already guaranteed,
was passed through committee.
The Public Works (Manufacturing Districts) Bill was
read a third time and passed.
The Poor Law Board Continuance Bill was read a second
time.

The Lords' Amendments to the Prison Ministers Bill
were agreed to, with a few exceptions.
The Loan Societies Bill was read a secot d time.
The Howth Harbour, Newcastle-upon-Tyne (St. Mary
Magdalen Hospital), the Removal of Irish Poor, the Sa-
vings Banks Act Amendment, and the Courts of the
Church of Scotland Bills were read a third time and

passed,
The other orders were disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at ten minutes past two o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

CARLISLE RACES.-TUESDAY.

The Corby Castle Stakes of 5 soya each, with 30 added;
weight for age; penalties and allowances. T.Y.C.
subs.
Mr. J. Osborne's The Little Stag, 2 yrs, 6st 121 b
(Carroll) w.o.
A Maiden Plate 9f 40 soya each; weight for age ; with
selling and other allowances. T.Y.C.
Mr. Winteringham's Lady Braybrooke, 2 yrs , sst 121 b
(30) (Carroll) 1
Mr, J. Ridley's Hospitality, 2 yrs, sst 121 b (£3O)
Mr. Miller's Annabella, 5 yrs, Bst 131 b (£2O)
(J. Snowden) 3
Mr. Dryden's Forest Queen, 5 yrs, 7st 51b (£4O)
(Speight) 4
Mr, Blamire's Marksman, aged, 9st llb (£3O)
(W. Gamble) 5
Mr. R. Frank's Dick Swiveller, aged, 9st llb (£3O)
(Withington) 0
Betting-6 to 4 agst Lady Braybrooke, sto 2 apt Hos-
pitality filly.
Won by a head ; a length between second and third ; a
moderate fourth. Dick Swiveller was left at the post.
The Cumberland Plate (Handicap) of 100 sous, added to a
Sweepstakes of 10 soya each, 5 ft, and 3 only if declared ;
winners extra; second to save his stake, Twice round
and a distance. 32 subs. 14 declared.
Mr. Masterman's Honest John (late the Robber), 3 yrs,
sst 81b (J. Grimshaw) 1
Mr, Jaques's Trump Queen, 3 yrs, sst 81b .... (Carroll) 2
Mr. T. S. Dawson na. The Fawn, 3 yrs, sst 71b (car. sst
811)
Mr. J. Scott na. Luna, 3 yrs, sst 71b J Marson) 4
Mr. W. I'Anson'a Caller Ou, 5 yrs, Oat 71b (inc. 91b ex.)
(Withington) 5
Betting—Even on Caller Ou, 6 to 4 agst Honest John, 6
to 1 agst any other.
Won by a length; two lengths between second and
third ; three lengths bet seen third and fourth.
The Grand Stand Handicap of 50 soya, for all ages ; win-
ners extra. Once round.
Mr. Scott na Teddy, 5 yrs, 7st 111 b (in. 51b extra)
(Speight) 1
Mr. Jaques's Trump Queen, 3 yrs, 6st 41b...... (Noble) 2
Mr. W. Cowen's Giltnook, 4 yrs, 6st 121 b (Carroll) 3
Mr. Fearon's Interest, 6 yrs, 7st 121 b (Percy) 4
Betting—Even on Teddy, 6 to 4 agst Trump Queen, 5 to
1 agst any other.
Won by three lengths ; a bad third.
The Holm Hill Stakes of 3 soya each, with 30 added,
weight for age; with selling, &c., allowances; penalties,
Three-quarters of a mile.
Mr. Winteringham's Lady Braybrooke, 2 yrs, sst 121 b
(£3O) (J. Marson) 1
Mr. Robinson's Prairie Flower, 3 yrs, 7st 91b (£3O)
(J. Noble) 2
Mr. J. Ridley's Bolton's dam filly, 2 yrs, sst 71 (Carroll) 3
Wallachia, Barbara Allen, and Maid of Chesterfield also
ran.
Betting-5 to 4 agst Prairie Flower, 9, to 4 aget Lady
Braybrooke,
Won by a neck, a bad third. The winner was bought by
Mr. Dalraell for 63 guineas.

RACING FIXTU:
Ju:

IRES FOR 1863.

'Worcester Summer 2
Newmarket July 7
Liverpool 13
Abingdon 14
Hungerford l6
Pontefract 16
16
Stamford

Brighton
Brighton Club 6
Lewes ..
Wolverhampton 11
Reading
Wenlock l4

Devon and Exeter 1
Derby Summer
Weymouth
Kings Lynn '3
Warwick
Leicester lO
Doncaster 15

- --
Winchester 2l
Nottingham 2l
Southampton.. 22
Cambridge
Knutsford
Hartlepool 27
Goodwood 22
I.7ST.

Coventry
Bedford
Caledonian Hunt
Newmarket S. 0.. 12
Nov]

York August lB
Plymouth 2O
Egham 25
Stockton
Oxford
Lichfield
ISBER.
Wordsley
Brecon 2l
Richmond 22
Monmouth ..24
Manchester Autumn ....25
Newmarket Ist Oct. ....29
Edinburgh, &c. C1ub....30

Worcester 3

)BER.
Lincoln Autumn ..20
Kelso 2l
Gloucester
Newmarket Houghton ..20
MBER.
I Shrewsbury Autumn....l6

Bellewstown
Down Royal Corporation 21

Heath....
Wicklow ll

.SH.
fLT.
j Tramore

SEE,

Curragh
Carlow . 9
Listowel 2l
OCT,

FUST.
ILOlldOladerry., ...,.. ....14

Curragh

TER.
Limerick
Jeakinstowa Park 23

20

COUNTRY MARKETS.

LEEDS—TUESDAY.
To-day there was a moderate supply of wheat, which
met a limited demand, at rates nominally the same as the
previous week.