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tn—lreland, .and whieft.ii Was the objet of this
Bill to defeat; as appeared by the Preamble, was
more extensive than, without strong evidence,
Could have been believed. The Conspiracy had its
Agents thrbugh every corner of Ireland, and it
was organized in an extraordinary manner—The
obje& of that Conspiracy was toseparate Ireland
from England, and to form a conneEtion between
Ireland and Franre. He felt the evils of attempts
to carry such an objed intei effea, in the unhappy
disposition of those who wished it, and in their
anions. He felt that such a Conspiracy did now
exist to a vast extent in Ireland, though it was
not at present in its full force ; and he need only
mention, that when so many other Gentlemen had'
stated the necessity of this Bill, 66 God forbid,"
said lie, " that I :should wish for any harsh
measures against the People of Ireland ; they are
contrary to my nature, but the controversy is
between us and the Jacobins of Ireland, and we
must rule them or they will first rule and then de.
stroy • •

Mr. IVESTENRA ohserVed, that this was a
measure of neeessitY, arising from the siate of Ire-
land ; and Gentlemen were not to look into old
books upon the subjcl, but into fads as they were
now exhibited to view. The part of Ireland from
which he came, being the Northern, was tran-
quil, but he understood the South to be other-
, wise ;
.and from the•state of Ireland in that quar,
ter, he was convinced, from: very important and
serious inforrnation, that this measurewas abso-
lutely necessary, and as such he should give it his
hearty support. He hoped to see the day, when
all the People of Ireland would look back with
horror, at the whole conduCf and principleS of
thoSe who had been the cause of the calamity that
Country had -suffered.
Sir F. BURDETT said, he had not delivered
his opinion at a more early stage of this business,
because he wished to colled every possible infor-
mation from those Gentle Men who represented
that part of, the. United Kingdoni,ealled Ireland.
He was mita inclined to.pay every deference to
those Gentlemen, but their opinions were so con-.
tradidory, .that he could draw no conclusion from
them, One thing, howeVer, appeared clear ;it
was not a partial,. but a general discontent
which, from the statements which had been made
by all the Gentlemen from that, Country, appeared
to exist. io Ireland. This general. discontent
could not arise without some general cause, and
that cause, in his opinioh, was the oppression
Which was exercised upon .the People of that
Country. A great variety of opinions had been
stated about the nature of the disturbances in
Ireland, Some Gentlemen said it was a Jacobin
Rebellion—others that it was a Popish one.—
Some Gentlemen said that they were for the mea-
sure, because the Jurors chewed such an avidity-
for blood that Courts:Martial were the milder
`Tribunal ; other's supported it because the Jurors
and Witnesses were afraid to do their duty.—
From all these contradidory statements, he was
enable to draw any rational conclusion, It had
been said, that this Bill ought to be continued,
because it had put down the Rebellion : NOW if
that were a good ..argument, this Bill never eould
cease, however tranquil the Country might be.
J-fe begged leave to recall to the recolle4,tion of
the [louse a Motion of an Hon. Gentleman,
whose attendance had not beem so regular of - late
in that House as it used to be—One of the last
proposals which that great and extraordinary
man made before he discontinued his regular at-
tendance in that House was, topropose:a Resolu-
tion
that it was illegal to use torture to extract
evidence; but this Motion was negatived, by a large
majority. lie 'recolleded upon that occasion that
theCHANCE L Log of theExctt EQUE R had defended
the praaice of using severity, in order to extraa
Evidence ; and the Noble Lord :it the head of
the Court of Chancery
_in Ireland, had, in a pub-
lication, to' which his name was prefixed, given
his sanlioa to. that practice. He hoped, he
might, in so liberal an Assembly, speak of the
Great Man who had restored France to tranquil-
lity by the justice and mercy of his measures;
and he firmly believed, that it was only by mea-
sores of justice arid mercy, that tranquillity could
be restored to Ireland,
Mr. PITT did not rise to trouble the House
upon the Question, as be considered it as un-
necessary to add any thing to the convine_
kg arguments which had been urged in fa-
vour of this myasure ; but he only wished to
make an observation upon the impropriety of
one Gentleman attributing sentiments to another
at a tonsideable distance of time after they were
supposed to be uttered, merely upon ,his own. re-
colietioo. The Hon, Baronet had attributed to
hum opinions which he was supposed to
have advanced on a fdriner occasion, and had
stated the Debate upon which he conceived it to
kave taken place . With respect to the opinions
be entertained, he should say, they were. ex-
:ldly the same as those that had been so ably ex_
pressed by his Noble Friend. But as to the sen-
timents which the lion. Baronet had stated him
to have advanced, he could only say, that he
could not have uttered them, because he was not
present at that Debate, and had been prevented
from attending the House for some weeks by in-
disposition. „ .

• Sir F. BURDETT said, he should feel' great
reludancein attributing such sentiments to any
person, .and he was happy to hear the Rt. Hon.
Gentleman disavow them.

..Mr. PITT begged not to be misunderstood :
he had not said one word whether those were his
bentiments or not ; he had merely observed, that
the Hon. Baronet had imputed to hiM language
which he could not have used, because he was
not in the House on that occasion.

-The SPEAKER said, he was sorry lle had in-
terrupted the Hon, Baronet, but be hope-d
the
}louse would now see the imropriety of referring
td any thing Which was supposed to, Ilan passed
in-former Debates,

Mr. SHERIDAN oWerved,, that the Debate