The Sun.
London, England, 1839-04-20 00:00:00

LORD LORTON'S TENANT.-;.4.

Mr. SIIILL, after presenting a number of petitions
from different places in Ireland approving of the principles
that guided tiro conduct of the administration of Lord
Norrnatiby, ob4erved, that he had a prtitinn to pre, tit
front the tenants of Lord Lorton, to vchz,m refer,'net, 11,01
bec:i made in the courqc of the debate, he
would be allowed to present it at once, it tNas r. shcrt, f:,.1

he would state its contents. The peiition stalea
upon Thu7,4lay, the fuurth day of the present nmeah, Mr.
Thomas C,a)rtenay, 1,44 Lortcsn's nt, alelided
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the Sheriff of Longford, and a large toilithry and po)ce
force turned th,t petitioners out of their houses, nil of
which they levelled on the tame clay. That
they were unconscious Of having bN,ri guil.y of ,:ny
cause for so dreadful a calare•ty, but they believed thy
were ejneted beettine they were Remao Catio'lu the
Catholics having hi -en rjecvd. and %brie lt,uses
arid lands given excludvely to Protestants. The pe'ition•
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ers farther stated that they were ahout 220 in nu-o cnd
that all their houses had b. en pulled do,Nu except tour ;
that ae:e was no prospect 11 Irelarol befo-ce lut
pov.erty destizutiou ; thv, tits,

.iub.iitene:!.. at home, thuy woul.l emigrate t
South W,les, but, Brit having the ute:ols, t4ey
opply to thy' Ho,u4,c for subitEtence, so that they mitt
starve in the i.ind if their of Order,
or-
der, a:-,d hear, hoar ") , •
The SPEAKER. zairl, the question rat wh.t. eons:roc-
tic:n was to be pte oil the words " tiii 1 wi,:h:ll to e:ni;!..ri!e
to iti:c South Wales, but ntean, y
-,311.ed to the 11.. u.,.• for , ."-01-ear, kefir.)
tt,oerrht it must be coniid- 'ne.a money pet-4bn.
SHIEL said he v..euk • a:7 tlii
LEFROY row crics of I
order Cli4iT ! chair ! answered by c o•ers from the odpo.

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stn benches.
garkry,-,then
Mr. SHIN.' I, said that understanding the petition could
not be receiv, d because it contEined a pryer for agv ;Int
cf money, he would withdraw it.

He said a feW- words, inaudible

Dr. 1: n 0 N' rose,
Mr. I'aCLETT T110.1130N said he roe to ord,r.
It was a general rut, that to toe pr,sentaiion of pvtit i(o.A
illerabr should do more than State the suhar,itio-
them, and that no debate slmould ensue tlieri?on. 11.,,
Friend had merely stated the substance of the N toic he
had presented, and lied withdrawn it when he ued,rst,,oi
that it was not in aceordane2 with the tul,s of tti House.
Ile trusted the rules of the flou-e would he obseived.
The SPEAKER. said that no petition pra)ing a ;2-7,uq
of money could reetived without the conset.t of lire
Crown. If any Member were of °Onion that c,e prw,er
of the pcti•lun was hot for a grant of n:oney,
might b. come the matter of d:scuss;4:n,
Mr. O'CONNELL pr scutud nineteen petitions fro,--r
various parishes ia Ireland, vtv.l.,:vt..:.tt,rn P.!titirs Vol)
different war& in Liverpool and its neiahtliurhood, sigr,ed,
by 6,500 persons, approving of the Ministerial 1,..01icy. is
Ireland.

Mr. PIGOTT presentiA several petitiols to the sarz
cV.ect.

MINISTERIAL POLICY- IRELAND

0i the olutiou that, the Oeder of th.. Dty for ate re-
surrptlon of the Adjourned Dehate be read,
De LE 'ROY roie, but wa!;;.aterra;;!el by _

The SPEAKER, who said tife lion. awl Lear:l,d
Mextber v o:;ld have nn opportunity of addressing the
H: use af!er the Order of the 1),:y he. ,n read.
Sir EDWARD KNATCIII3ULL, said the libuee
in:4t b- aware that the peition3 coldidned allegnourla

against a Noble Lord, which it was important his 11,ta.
aad Learned F. lend should have an or.portunity of expi a lit.
whien it appeared would' be ar.rded him after the
Outer of the Day had been :cad,
On the order of the day hang read,
Dr. LE 0 Y said he regret‘cd being obliged to pre.
sent hie elf to the Katie, and should not have done so
but for the extraordinary course pursued by the HOtwur.
able Member for Tipperary. The petition ban east most
unfair and uncandid reikctions upon Lord Lorton. The
whole sting of the inqilt contained in the petition had been
inflicted, and then it was withdrawn. The petition, thougia
it purported to come from 220 persons was sited by only
17. 5 of whom were marksmen. Tile statements contained
in that petition wer,e totally devoid of truth. It stated that
only the Roman Catholic tenants had been ejected, leading
to the presumption that the Prntestantt were allotted
to remain, while the real fact was, that nil the tenants no
that estate were Roman Catholics, and every tenant that.
had been ti'cted Ili.d been provided Kith the means of
emigrating t.) America if they thouuht it fit.
SHIEL said that there nad been uounfairoess on
his part in presenting the petition. as he had given tae:
Right.HOn. and Learned Member notice of it. H, was
rattier apprehensive that he would find the principal facts
stated in it correct.

Colonel PERCEVAL denied that he had e •
stated that Lord Lortou bad turned out his tonetir
bk.cau,c tlmy were Calholies. The example Lich
Lord Lorton had made in the parish • d
muck had been caused by the repetition of mur-
dirs, disgraceful to the country awl the character Of the
people who occupied- that village. He believed:OW .ix
murders hail been completed, and tour. ptrions had
been so mutilated that they were unable to support them-
selves, 'out acre supported by Lord Lorton. instance
bad Li no
bad a single act of outrage been perpecrateu oti a Raman
Catholic.

ADJOURNED DEBATE.
Me. T. DUNCOMBE said it would, prlinps, be for
the convenience of the House. that one debate should ter_
initiate the discussion .if the different questions on which it
in ;te
mast ultimately thcide, and he would, therefore, proceed
to state the reasons whicn had induced Ili,, to
take the course of which he had given uctiee
course which he thought absolutely neee:ssary ,
0r..1.:r
that her Majesty's Alinisters might not either deceive
themselves or any one else in believing that the pr„eut
vote of approbation, if it could be carried, would be a
vot
e
of approbation of their entire sad general policy. Air ,
gardcd their policy to:yards Ireland, he truated it v,,,thid
receive the sanction of as large a majority as the state of
parties would possibly admit.--(Cbeers. ) Their
Pop
in that country entitled them to such approbation, 1...iy e
wished he could say the same with respect to England.
Hat a diff-rent course had bcea pumied here, -a ~u
that 'rad not only tended to bring her Nljesty's mi.ii,trs°
into disrepute, but to diminish the cot,fid,..„et, of the
• • erB
in the Government. He had not heard coy arau:,,ree.ple
sttisfy him that this Ministerial motion was abs 'inters to
cetsary. If it was intended to coasole the late Lind Lit
flint far the inquiry instituted in the Hans, :, of t
f, -'''l-
- cot ace that it would have that oft' c , ' ""s• he
Lord N,rmanby would have done hotter •----'°' thetitt.ht
if he I,•• d 1 ft
the reputation of his ministry to be judged 4f I 1,.a e
fintisadce°t"lfie"(Tjle2t9 of party mriastriill(crretserat;:,lT,ant) ha'neYdsth-i`e:lleinil:e;
in that Muse. Besides, he
this affair would be a rrfect wl.- c...r, d the whole of
bu,ines,cussion,- to the exclusion of
qto.stion would be
and that after several nights' di,. 'le of time-4 Che'Ts)—
much more important
left exactly where they 1,-1111.11
were
it. t
Be u t I.e supposed that
Cab:uets, like individuals,
Alinisters had taken that c'4‘, and sn he conclude d that
r the best judges of what
was due to the r own feelii
lotrse which was best adapted to
the vindication of their char')
s.ition of p.-ertieSirl this 1100:e l'ltesrr.,f,Bute,wh,,attteiwsaqsuctstti'oPrr°.;
The Noble Loid had called upon ilictr: :House't for a vote 0 -
confidence in one branch of the domestic policy of the Ad-

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