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cent case, for it declared that to employ money for pur-
poses for which it was not voted, was a misapplication of
the public money. There was also in 1727, a Protest on
the Journals of, the Lords, couched in eneigetic and con-
stitutional language, and directed against the Bill of Aids,
which might be well consulted us a precedent Now he
was one of those who did not think that such resolutions
u he bad alluded to consisted of the mere pompous sound
Of words. He thought they inculcated pr.nciples whisk
ought to be dear in the estimation of the House, and be
Was convinced the liberties of the people would not long
survive if they neglected to tnaintain that high tone,—
(Cheers.)—lle had now, as succinctly and expliciey
A a he could, opened the c4se respecting this sur-
plus money that was unaccounted fur, and would
conclude with the resolution which he begged to read
to the House. The Hon. Member then moved a resolu-
tion, detailing the facts touching the Four and a Half per
Cent. Duties, embodied in his speech, and reciting the
substance of the Appropriation Act, and the Act 6th of
Geo. IV., declaring thst the surplus of the years 1829
and 1880 had not been appropriated to deflay' the ex-
pellees of the West Indian Church Establishment, and re-
mained unaccounted for, and that Ministers deserved the

condemnation of that House.
The .CHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER, after
stating that it was not without pain that he heard of the
Hon. Baronet's intention to bring the subject again under
discussion that evening, said it was not'llie intention to
follow the lion. Baronet through the' vast field of argu-
ment on which he hail thought proper to enter, fer the
purpose of illustrating a matter which lay within very
narrow limits. The Hon. Baronet had expatiated on a
variety of other topics with which the subject was moat
particularly connected ; and he thought that he should
not misinterpret his object, if he supposed that—feeling
how weak his case was upon the particular subject-..how
triumphantly the argument respecting the legality of the
proceeding had been met, and how promptly a remedy
had been applied to what it was confessed required remedy
—he (Sir J. G.) was anxious to excite the feelings, and
secure the votes of -those arnund him, by adverting to a
variety of other topics which were sure to meet with a
favourable reception. He would nut, however, follow him
in this. He would not consider with him whether the
Government was competent to apply those Four and a
Half per tent. duties, or not. lie would not discuss
the Regency question. lie would not enter upon the
Civil Liit :or the Privileges of Parliament, nor would
=he treat upon, the several minor subjects of embellish-
ment which had -been introduced—the bridge of Lon-
, donderry--•or something which the Hon. Baronet had
heard in a Committee up stairs about Windsor Castle.
He would not follow the lion. Gentleman through these
matters. The question before the I-louse was with re-
ference to the appropriation of the funds that had arisen
from the 4f per cent. duties. He had thought that
there would have been ead of the discussions on this
question, when the lion. Baronet himself admitted that
the course pursued by the Government with respect to
levying these duties was legal. The Hon. Baronet did
not attempt to deny that. lie admitted that thew sugars
i were not subject to duty, and this accusation was strangely
enough founded on the circumstance that they might have
been free front duty. That question had been discussed
on a former occasion, and when that opinion had been
given, as given it was, no lawyer present had dissented
' from it ; so that, whatever had been done, though it
might be the subject of the lion. Baronet's animadversions,
' wes at least not in violation of law. The principle, ,
how-
ever, was thought by the Goverment to require some
', remedy, and it had been the intention of the individual
who then addremed them, to introduce a Bill with
provisions to take away these privileges (tom the
. property belonging to the Crown in all those cases in
which that property would afterwards be so' 'yet J.
the payment of duty. The lion. Baronet had @tented
to say that he did riot think that the pledge which had
been given on this subject had been redeemed, or that
the intention before referred to had been fulfilled. He must
say that it was rather hard on him that the lion. Baronet
should make such an accusation. A short time since the
lion. Baronet had mentioned that be should submit this
motion, and had asked when it was the intention of the
Government to introduce the measure for putting an end
to this especial privilege of the property of the Crown. Ile
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) then answered that he
.• was ready with the measure, and that the Bill was very
. , short ; but he added that he believed it would be more
convenient to introduce it as part of the amendment of the
Customs Bill. The lion. Baronet would not deny this.
On that conversation between them, the communication
.. ended. Now be would ask the House whether there war,
in any thing that bad occurred, any one circumstance that
justified the Bon. Baronet in presuming that the assurance
he had given would wit he fulfilled, or had there not rather
' be•ln an intimation on his part that the subject would be
:fully conaidered, and that a mrasure was actually ready to
give effect to the intentions he hail expressed? But, be.
yon' this, had not his subsequent conduet been such es to
' fortify the opinion that such a measure woultisi intro.'
spiced ? No sooner had it been aittertained ilia, Miring
to a l thlalt lamentable occurrence, the duration of Parlia-
ment was not likely to be prolonged, and that the Cost**
Amendment Bill was therefore not likely to receive a
lengthened discussion, but would be; abandoned for
the present-.-no , sooner were three circumstances
made known, end the possibility of introducing that Bill
no longer remained, than he gave notice of introducing a
soprano Bill fur the purpose, and that Bill was non: on
' the table; it would be read a first time to-night, and he
',• trusted* would he partied within this Session. So far
, - then from having abandoned the pledge he had given, be
~ had, both in his private conversation with the lion. Ida
most sad in his public conduct, shown his anxiety to
fulfil it ; and before time Mouse separated this evening the
';• separate Bill he alluded to would be read a first time, and
.• the Hon. Baronet himself would then see whether his se-
; cusatien was well founded. The reel points in dispute
',; between hint and the Hon. Baronet were very short. The
hat point was, whether the Treasury were justified in
. exempting from the payment of duty time sugars imported
:'' 'as Crown property from the West Indies? The second
was, whether the proceeds of these sugars were correctly
applied under the erovisions of the Act of Parliament
. made with respect to surplus revenue arising from them
to be appropriated to the payment of the Ecelesiastical
Establishments of time West India islands? Therm wore
~,: the short poiste of discostion between them, when divested
of those circumstances with which the Hon. Baronet
-it-, bad ornamented theta. With. respect to the propriety
of exempting these sugars . from the payment of do-
ties, that question. had been dispotted of by the pre- I
:: vious ' discussions, aed would be finally put to rest
;measure
by the which he was about to introduce.
,- On this part of the subject he would only advert
to one . topic, which the Hots. Baronet had introduced as
.;- 1111 aggravation of the offence of which be had complained.
Time lion. Baronet had stated that the duty was taken from
',. the finest sort of sugar, from sugar of the hest quality,
`:; which was the most desirable for the purposes of the re•
P,, finer
ner ; for that, though the long price which included the
111 duty was charged for it, the produce of that duty was not
44 accounted ed fur; while, on the other hand, the sugar was ex-
-1,;,. t ported to foreign countries, and a drawback was paid on
the exportation; so that not only the duty wits at first in
effect remitted, but the drawback was afterwards charged,
t'! and time public thereby suffered doubly. Now he believed
that from the circumstances in which these sugars stood,
14 the Hon. Baronet would find, if he examined into the
•:. subject, that he ought not to attribute so much value to
ji. these sugars as to place them among those of the finest
ii!; quality. The Hon. Baronet must knew full well that the
;f‘ duty which was collected was a duty of so many pounds
is of oultsr in so limy hundred pounds of sugar—it was a
7 duty that was paid in kind. That circumstance might
.A; have suggested to him that the party having to pay the duty
7., would nut select sugars of tl.e best quality on which to
.p
4, make a payment of such a description. But let thealimok
a little to the price which that sugar produced in the
market, end which the Honourable Baronet was as corn-
,
a petent to discover as he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
ill could be, far the Honourable Baronet had -before him
1 the gross amount of the sales of there sugar., and the
..,‘, prices which they fetched ; if the Hon. Baronet would
f.rt take the trouble of looking into the amount which these
aZ sugars
. fetched in the market,
,he would find that their sale
F IT'. was w.., being one shilling under time average price
, ~!. of sugars. of the first quality at the present moment.—
Instead, therefore, of these sugars being of the finest and
pi, most superior quality, they were of a subordinate quality 1
- , and he was fully justified in asserting' that sugars of that
price were not equal in quality to the (meet of those which
came into this market. Having said so much with ii,
re-
spect to the former part of the argument of the Hon. Ilmt-
roust, he would now come to the munition of the appro.
:. priation of duties. On that paint the Hon. Baronet had
t, fallen into an error from comparing accouuts made up in
i.,- two different years. The lion. Baronet had stated, that
in the year 1828 these sugars, when sold, produced a re-
-I,t turn of sixty-six thousand pounds ti t the whole amount
;Fir a pensions secured upon them we-1142700s and that he
c was informed time balance left in the hands of the Govern-
?
•:. meat, after all deductions made, was above 22,0001.
~,
a'.. But the Hon. Baronet was wrong in making this calettla-
it' for lli
Lion, he tat taken an account which hail beets made
aa,
~,f, out in January, whereas the account of these Par•
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- twofer sugars was not made up till July. Time ac-
counts were ordered up to the end of April, and these
sugars Were not brought under the account till a
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