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on the King himself. Did Ministers know the conse-
quences of the publication of the letter which had bein
published that morning, without even the meagre explana-
tion which the Noble Duke had now given? The funds
had fallen three per cent. in consequence. This wise an
actual loss of property to the fundholdets, which, as, the
Noble Duke seemed determined at all hazards to retain
offi,* with his present colleagues, they were not likely soon
to retrieve. The excuse which the Noble Duke had of-
fered for the advice which he had given to the King was,
!hat he (the Duke) was unpopular. Was it news to the
Duke to hear that he was so ? The Noble Duke had stared
nothing which was not known on Saturday. Why, then,
had he allowed the letter to the Lord Mayor to be circu-
lated all over the country without explanation ? Any per-
aunal attack on the Noble Duke, he Would deprecate. as
strongly as any man ; but as a' Minister be was determined
to oppose him, and he only lamented that others who moil-
dereii his government detrimental to the best intere,ta of
the country, should resort to an unjustifiable mode of ex-
pressing their hostility. Nothing had occurred to justify
the Duke in sounding the alarm through the country as
he had done. A large military force had been drawn up
round the metropolis—artillery was iu readiness, but all
these preparations had been set aside by the Lord Mayor's
letter. The postponement of the King's visit was really
a disgrace to the Ministry, and would lower the Adminis-
tration still more in the eyes of the country, by proving
that it was as incapable in minute affairs as in more
weighty and comprehensive rustlers.

Earl GREY said he understood from what fell from the
Noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that the. protocrl
which had been referred to by his Noble Friend, made nu
variation in the general AN:idiom existing under the ge-
neral treaty of Vienna, and in the obligations annexed to
the junction of Belgium with Holland. So far, every
thing was satisfactory, and the Noble Earl had declared
his intention of laying the protocol before the House. lie
must confess, however, that some of the observations
which had fallen from the Noble Earl and from the Noble
Duke at tire head of the Government, had caused him
some uneasiness. He would repeat—what he lied stated
on a former occasion, mid what hie Noble Friend had also'
urgsd that night—his conviction that on the face of tire
treaties there was no obligation contracted which could en-
gage this country to interfere. in the internal government
of Belgium and Holland. He concurred with the opinion
expressed by his Noble Friend, that it was cons'etent with
sound policy, justice, and the independence of nations, to
abstain from all such interference. The Noble Lord and
the Noble Duke opposite, when they spoke of amicable
interference, seemed to point at something like interference
with the internal government of the Netberlarals. He
must pronounce his opinion, that this would be the most
fatal policy that could be pursued on the present occasion,
contrary to the interests of the country, and likely to lead
to results of the most dangerous nature. He must also
advert to what had been stated by the Noble Marquis
(LonConderry), for whose expressions of personal kindness
he felt obliged, as he always did when thine, expressions
came from an individual fur whom he felt asincere respect.
The Noble Marquis thought that the French revolution
had been spoken of in terms of approbation in that House.
He had certainly expressed his opinion upon that impor-
taut subject, but lie begged the House to recollect, that he
had said all revolutions were to be lamented, and only to
be justified by extreme necessity. Ile bad expresed his
approbation of the French revolution, which was rendered
necessary by the most flagrant attack on the liberties of the
subject ever made, which reduced the people to the dreadful
altereative (and the measures now being pursued in this
country were leading us to the mime situation) of choosing
between absolute aubmiSsion or resistance. This was fuel
principle on which be applauded the revolution which had
taken place in France, followed as it was by the greatest
moderation and generosity on the part of the successful
party.—( Hear, bear, )—Still he should never allow himself
to take the liberty of commenting in that House on the
conduct, Legislature, or Government of an independent
country iu the way which the Noble Marquis hail done,
who, having formerly disagreed with his Majesty's Mi-
nisters, now felt bound to support them. He hoped his
Majesty's Ministers did not agree with the Noble Marquis
in the sentiments expressed by him, for that Noble Lord
not only called for an amicable interference in the affairs
of Belgium, but went the length of desiring armed inter-
vention. if the Ministers did agree in the sentiments so
expressed, adieu to the peace of this country to
the peace of Europe !....(Fleur, hear.) So much in refer-
ence to what had been allutital to in the early part of the
discussion. Since then many subjects had been intros
duced, and one most important, on which the interest of
the House had been chiefly engaged. Ile felt, in common,
he dared to say, with every hotly who read the letter, signed
by the Secretary of the Home Department, inserted in the
newspapers of the day—a feeling of something like irrita.
Lion ; and its was not without regret and disappointment
that he saw that the Government hail thoughtit necessary
to issue such a letter.—(Hear, hear.) We were at the
present moment concerned with no inconsiderable danger
at home; did his Majesty's Ministers suppose that it would
tend to diminish the dangers, or increase the means of re-
sisting them, by making such an exhibition to the world ?
—(Hear, hear.) We were at present engaged in difficult,
not to say doubtful, negociations abroad ; did the House
believe that it would tend to the NUM ss of theme negoti-
ation* to find Ministers holding out to tine kingdom and to
Europe such a picture of the state of things in this cram.
try as that of the Alonareh being advised not to fulfil the
engagement he had made of acceding to the wishes of his
loyal people of the City of London, by appearing among
them ?---(Hear, hear.) Therefore, he certainly felt some-
thing of irritation, disappointment, and regret, when he
saw the announcement which appeared in the newspapers.
That there might not be circumstances of danger to make
such a proceeding necessary he was not prepared to any.
On that point his Majesty's Ministers knew more than be
did ; but unless they knew much more than had appeared
in that night's debste, lie could , not help thinking that
the measure which they had adapted was very ill ad-
vised.--(hear.) But notwithstanding the many pain-
ful feelings excited by this subject, there was one topic of
consolation and of pride, to which he alluded with plea-
suria—natriely,the announcement which was now- made, that'
that measure was, not (minded on any necessity fur providing
for the safety of his Majesty'eperson.—(Hear, hears )' He
lilt, us the Noble Duke opposite and many other Noble
Lords bad expressed themseivee, that if ever monarch
reigned in the heart of his subjects it was the present
vertigo. That august person did, without doubt, enj ry
tire undivided affection and attachment of the people of-
this country,-..(;tear, hear.) Ti, him personally, them
mathd be no danger, nor, hoisted, .did it appear, from the
slatenertit of the Noble Duke .opposite, drat any dans
ger was threatened. But the Noble Duke had produced
it letter from the Lord Mayor elect, accordime to which,
the principal danger to be ripprehended was an attack on
the person of the Noble Duke.--(Hess, heir.) On the
subject of an attack of that nature, be must, with his
Noble Friend who spoke last, declare his utter abhorrence.
-..(Char, bear.) Were he the political enemy, which he
was not, of the Noble Duke, he would yet be the first to
place himself, at any post, where he could most effectually
defend, tire Noble Duke from an attack, which was uns
untidy and unsEnglisli in its nature.—(Hear, bear.) Ife
deprecated in the strongest manner any attack on the per-
son of the Nuhle Duke, and he regretted, that on any po.
litical account such feeling lied arisen in the entitle of
any part of Majesty's subjects.—( Hear, hear.) Yet
this wactlasiger to the Noble. Duke's person, which the
Noble Duke very properly intended to avoid. That he
(Earl Grey) thought was a wise and prudent determine.
tion. But, as far nos respected the promiueut feature of the '
letter front the Lord Mayor elect, the danger did not appear
to be such as net;tl bave prevented. his Majesty from going I
to dine with his loyal subjects.—(lleac.) But there was
something loosely stated of other ilangers....eometiaog
about placards concerning the police ; and disaffected per-
sons, it was said, would take advantege of the dank night
--(eusl it seemed now, for the drat time, to ler discovered
that there woo dark &rights in November).-to create tu-
mult*, arid commit oiler illegal acts which bad not been
very clearly dear:Hied. Ile must say, that that informs-
Con wire rather vague and loose, and was not of such an
elerniing nature as need have inducest tile Adoption irf the
deterwislaaion to which his Majeatys advisers had come.
At 14hut timo did the Government hope, that in this great
Mum, containing among its virtuous iababinuns many
evil.iiisporieri spirits, a tinge assembly of the people might
be collected in the open Or in the desk. hours of night,
and no illegal eat be committed ? If the Noble Doke waited
till the hour when such danger would no longsr exist, not
only to-morrow, but every day, would his Majesty be pie.
-vented fram allowing to his arbuirieg people ; and
no considerable meeting for the purpose of etrirlic rejoicing
oathl take place without being aborted to titian. flinger.--
( Hear. )—Nothing could be more loose or more unutisfue. -
Cory than the statement of tile Noble Drake. If such a
colminuitiotilitx be4.loen made to him (Earl Grey) as was
made to th, Nome Doke, his fast ohjeet would have been
to inquire into the circumstances, and to endeavour to learn
what were the grounds of the statement of the. Lord Mayor
elect. Their Lordships knew, that at 4 former period there
had been a Lord Mayor who was a Man of peat timidity,
and who was prosecuted for entuluct which was the result
of excessive fear. Ile alluded to the Lord Mayor of the
year 1750. 110 did not know what was the character of
the Lord Mayor eleet ; he might he a man, of similar timi. ,
,city, and disposed to miugnify daugent.—(liear, hear.)—
He took it fur granted that the Duke had tootle

,ccurate inquiries respecting the statement of the Lord
Awor elect, and had satisfied himself that the danger was
real : that attempts vete intended to be made of the most
dal nature; that means existed of carrying these inteta-
iotts into effect ; and that there was no other way of pre.
venting those attempts than by putting a stop to the core-
.nony of his Majesty visiting the citizens of London. 11
:hat were the case, something might be said in approval
of the step which the Ministers liad taken. But the in-
formation which lie hail received was of a very different
nature; and even since he had been in that House, infor-
mation had come to him of a meeting of the Court of
Aldermen of the City of London having taken place that
very day to inquire into the subject, and the result of their
serious deliberation was, that they had come to a resolution
that every necessary precaution had been adopted; that
they were satisfied there existed no reason to apprehend
real danger, and that the Lord Matra Elect was totally
unauthorized to make the communication he did to the
Noble Duke opposite.—(Hear.)—This same statement
had been made by authority from the Court of Aldermen in
another place, and under such circumstances he did think
that the honour of the Government was brought into ques-
tion in a manner that could not be very well justified.—
(Hear.)—He had thought it necessary to ray thus much.
He regretted extremely the course which bad been taken,
and which appeared not to be authorized by sound judgment
end discretion. No danger, it was clear, was to be feared
on account of the Sovereign; the Noble Duke being the
person threatened. lie regretted that that was the cue.
He discountenanced and abhorred any attempt on the
Noble Duke's person ; but he regretted that the Noble
Duke did not resort to time remedy of which he at first
thought. As it was, the course taken had occasioned
alarm, when there existed no real foundation for alarm,
and might materially affect the influence of this country
with respect to other powers of Europe.—(Hear.)-
The Duke of WELLINGTON, in explanation, stated
that the Noble Earl was not correct in supposing that
the letter from the Lord Mayor elect was the only Infor-
mation he received. He had referred to other letters
beside that particular one. lint he begged leave to recall
' their Lordships' recollection to that very letter of the Lord
t Mayor elect, which inflamed hint that the Lord Mayor
-could not dependant the measures adopted by the civil au-
thorities to keep the peace, hut required military assistance.
—(Hear.) He (the Duke of Wellington) had also stated
to their Lordships that he had received information from
a variety of quarters that an attack was meant to be
made on the Westminster police. A Noble Lord asked—
Could not his Majesty proceed to any part of Loudon
without the police ? His Majesty certainly could do so,
and needed no protection from the Westminster police.
But it was nut a cave of his Majesty going alone to any
part of London, but of a procession, which required the
streets to be kept cleared for 14 or 16 hours out cf the
24. The police would thereke require to be collected to•
gether fOr the purpose of executing their duty; and sup-
posing an attack were made on those persons, and that it
were found necessary to interfere by military force to save
their lives, was the Government to stand by rind take no
measures? Would it be fit that his Majesty, in proceed-
ing to honour the citizens of London with his presence,
should see a battle in the streets between his sold .cts, who
came to behold the pageantry, and the police and the
military? But this was not all. He happened to have
in his pocket a band-bill, from which it appeared that
colours and standards were to be hoisted, and a petition
presented to his Mujesty in the course of the procedion.—
( Hear.) The variety of accounts which Ministers received
from persons ready to come forward to substantiate
them, was sufficient to induce the Government to hesi-
tate, even if they had not received the letter from the
Lord Mayor elect. ' But he went further. There was
a gentleman acting for the present Lord Mayor, who went
out of office to-morrow, and that gentleman himself toll
him (the Duke of Wellington) no later than yesterday that
it would be absolutely necessary for the escort of honour
which attended his Majesty to remain in the neighbour.
hood of Guildhall during the time his Majesty remained
there. It was, therefore, not impossible that blood might
be spilt; and his Majesty, the Ministers, the Lord Mayor,
and the Corporation of London, would have been the cause
of collecting the people together. That was the view of the
subject to which he wished to direct their Lordships'
attention. Ile could assure their Lordships that he had
never taken any step more satisfactory to himself than
when he advised his Majesty not to go to the city to-
morrow. But the Noble Earl said that Ministers disco-
vered On Saturday last, fur the first time, that there were
dark nights is November. He begged to state that some
days back he received information of intended tumults
from anonymous correspondents, from magistrates, and
from persons who signed their own names to their com-
munications, and who came forward and stated them-
selves the ground* on which their intelligence was founded.
Yet be was not disposed to take any measures until he got
the letter from time Lord Mayor elect. That decided how
he should act with respect to himself; and upon cornmu-
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the mieforteno which might have happened to-morrow,
if Miuisters had not taken that step; which' they did after
considering the matter well, and viewed the consequences
on both sides.—(Hear, hear.)
The Earl of RADNOR did not think the second expla-
nation of the Noble Duke satisfactory. The Noble Duke
had told the House that he had received information from
a variety of quarters, respecting intended tumults; but he
ltd not stated whether he took the trouble to inquire
whether those npprehensitins were well founded or ground-
less. If the Noble Duke made any investigation in the
subject, he bad certainly come to a different moult front
that at which the Court of Aldermen had arrived. He
regretted that the letter signed by the Secretary for the
Home Departmeut had circulated for 16 hours in different
parts of the country, unnaccornpanied even by that expla-
tuition which his Majesty's Ministers now gave of the
matter. It there was disaffection in London, watts there not
also disaffection in the country, and would not that letter
create confusion and alarm? Would it have no effect in
Ireland ? If the Noble Duke had inquired into the state-
meets contained in the letter of the Lord Mayor elect, and
found them (oared, will be not follow up the step he has
taken by some other measure? What caused this disaf-
fection—what occardoned this rebellion in London? Forty
or fifty thousand respectable householders were ready to be
sworn its to preserve the peace. What, then, was the
fear? There must be a rebellion, if the Lord Mayor,
with that great force, was incapable of preserving the
peace. The Noble Duke was bound to take measures tar
inquire into the causes of diseffection in this town, and
which were being spread in several parte of the country.
lie expressed his astonishment at the indifference with
which their Lordship* had treated this important ques-
tion. It was quite surprising that when matters of such
moment ought to occupy their attention they had con-
sumed nearly an hour in (pedicure about the slave-trade,
and radieal or moderate reform. He gave credit to the
Noble Duke for having investigated the information he
received, for it would have le:eir the height of retainers nut
to do so; but lie thought the Noble Duke ought to have
*bleed the first moment of corning down to that House,
and calling open their Lordedrilre to take measures to pre-
serve the peace of the country. He should say no snore
at present ; but he thought that if the Ministers did not
follow tip the course they had taken by some substantial
'measurer., it would seem a betrayal of their trust.
The Marquis of BUTE • eouhl net conceive how the
Noble Lords opposite came to the conclusion that the rea-
sons assigned by the Noble Duke, for the advice which he
gave his Majesty, were insufficient. That advice was
given with the view of avoiding the shedding of blood and
the destruction of property. Na MU, 110 would venture
to say, knew better than tits Noble Duke bow to encounter
these risks,

!lc dares do all that does become a mane
f. Who dams do more is none,"
He give him credit for taking every precaution to avoid
the spilling of blood. lie lied heard a great deal about
the unpopularity, of the Noble Duke, but he asked their
Lordships what wam this popularity of which they talked ?
bid not their Lordships recollect, that a few months ago
there was not a more popular man than the Noble bake?
At the time of the reviews in Hyde-park, what man wet
more popular ? if their Lordships troubled their heads
about' personal popularity, he for one did not; and if by
the advice which Ministers had given their Majesties they
risked for a moment their poptearity, he was sure they.
Would ultimitely gain more general popularity than would
have result, d him following any other line of conduct.
Ho felt gi meinl that these men who knew the value of
weed, bad tal;cn precautions against its being spilled.
The diseipiNion here eloSed.
Upon till motion of the AsArqUis of LANstiowNE, an
whieess with ordered to be preheated to his Mujeety, pray-
itlg for copies of the documents which the Noble Marquis.
11,4 specified in his address to the mdse.
Adjourned at Half-past Seven o'clock.

HOUSE 01" COMMONS, MonoAv, Nov. 8.
The ktirtAVY.IL took the chair shortly helot.. Three
'cloak, several :Members Were sworn in, and many peti.
ions prevented.
Ag soon as Sir ROBint? Put. had taken hie Neat,
Lord ALTHORII rose. He.did to for the purpose of

alai the Right Hon. Secretary of State, whom he now
.8W is his plane, what could have been the cause
of the extraordinary course which his Majesty's Mi-
nisters had advised their Sovereign to adopt, namely,
that of declining to dine with the Lord Mayor and Cor-
poration of the city cif London. Such a course was to
his (Lord Altborp's) mind most extraordinary, and be
had not the least doubt many other persons were of
the same way of thinking. He way sure the
step that had been thus taken would lead to the greatest
alarm and confusion. lie felt most anxious to know
the cause, being certain that such a course could never
have been warranted had not his Majesty's Government
had some intimation of the dangerous consequences that
would result from the adoption of the course originally
intended to be pursued by his Majesty.
Sir ROBERT PEEL—Sir, I feel anxious to give
every information and explanation on the subject to
which the Noble Lord has adverted. I have no
hesitation in saying that the letter which appeared
in the newspapers of this day is authentic,
and that the signature which it bears is "my own. I
have felt myself bound to give that advice to his
Majesty, from a desire to preserve the public
peace. His Majesty feels perfectly satisfied of the
loyalty and affection of the citizens of London ; but
he was at the same time well aware, that when
thousands of innocent people were assembled together
at night and in such a situation, any person might, for
the purpose of plunder or outrage, produce such disorder
that might be productive of the worst consequences.
There was one good and sufficient reason why the Govern-
ment should have taken the step they had done. A new
body of men had been appointed by the House to
preserve the public peuse, and if his Majesty had
gone to the city a great number of that body
must have been withdrawn from all parts of the me-
tropolis, and from nine o'clock in tho morning all
the streets leading from St. James's Palate to Temple`.
bar must, as it wee desirable to preserve the peace
by civil force, be guarded by the New Police ; and
as many of them had to be on duty all night, many parts
of the town most be left neglected, and consequently, if
any misehievous designs were in contemplation,tbuse parts
would be exposed to plunder. That.austh designs were in
agitation there was great reason to apprehend. In fact, he
Will of opinion that there was net a sufficient civil force to
preserve the peace.—(l'fear.) Let the House consider the
disturbances of Friday and Saturday last; and they
must have noticed the industrious attempts made
to influence and inflame the public mind against the New
Police. Many thousands of handbills were printed and
circulated against the civil force--.-some of which he would
read. The Right Hon. Gentleman then read several—
The first beainning, " To arms! to arms !—All London
meets on Tuesday next;—and, Englishmen, shall such an
opportunity for redressing our wrongs be lost?" ifcc. &c.
The next bill began " Liberty and arms ! Englishmen,
remember that London meets on Tuesday. You may rest
assured that there are 6,000 cutlasses in readiness for
Peel's bloody gang !—(Hear.)—Fly to arms," &c. Now, he
(Sir R. Peel) would ask, what chance there was of the
public peace being preserved when such means were being
resorted to? There could be no doubt there would be
sonic attacks made on single policemen or some atnep
body marked out for vengeance. The military must be
called in, and as such must inevitably he the case, he saw
no reason for exposing the lives of innocent men, women,
and children. Ile regretted as much as any one the ex-
pence that took place ; but he thought the public peace
paramount to every other consideration. To show the
disposition that was felt by the New Police, it was only
necessary to show the assaults that were committed
on that body on the 2d of November. The Police then
had been attacked in the most wanton manner, and with-
out the least provocation. In the execution of their
duty they apprehended a thief, and, for safe custody,
lodged him in the house of an individual, whom
house was shortly after attacked by an infuriated
mob. Sixty-six cases of assault ou police-constables were
heard before the Magistrates on the 3d of November.
Forty-two were ordered to find bail, 19 were fined, and
the others discharged on their own recognizances. It would
therefore, be Been that no less than sixty individuals
were charged in one day with attempting to break
the public peace. Could, then, he would ask, a Ali-
, mater of the Crown, who held a responsible office,
look with indifference on the dangers that everywhere
threatened. Before he came to any determination, he bad
received such evidence that carried a conviction to his
mind that notwithstanding the universal attachment and
loyalty to the King, his visit to the city would be at-
tended with alarming, and in all probability fetal
consequences. The blouse would recolleCt that his
Majesty's Government bad asked fOr no new lure 'to sup-
press the disaffection that now existed. They only stated
that they were determined to pUt in force the authority
they now possessed to put a stop to the agita-
tion that existed. He war aware—be was fully
aware of the great disappointment that would he oc-
casioned by his Majesty's not going to dine in the city. lie
knew the great sacrifices that bad been made, and great
expense incurred, all of which no man regretted more than
himself; but, as he had before mentioned, all consi-
derations were of minor importance, compared with
the public safety.—(Hear, hear.) On an occasioa
like the one contemplated there would naturally be assem-
bled on a November night an immense concourse of per-
sons ; and amongst them, no doubt many that would dis-
turb the public peace ; to preserve which it would be ne-
cessary to call in the military to assist the civil authori-
ties; in attempting to do which, in a dark night, it was
probable the lives of innocent persona might be lost. These
were the reasons that induced Ministers to advise their
Majesties not to visit the City of London, and thereby
spars them the pain they would endure in case human
blood' had been shed. He knew it had been' said
his Majesty's Ministers haul become unpopular ; but he
would rather it be said so, than it should be said lie gave
advice or agreed to a procession which was likely to be at-
tended with danger to the lives of individuals. He would
submit to any taunt or any sacrifice rather than consent
to a measure calculated to occasion a rlisturbance of the
public peace,—(Hear, hear.)

Mr. BROUGHAM said that in his humble opinion his
Majesty's Government had acted most culpably in the ad.
vice they hid given. He could assure the Right Hon.
Gentleman that his letter, which appeared in the
newspapers of this morning had caused the. greatest
alarm and consternation.—(Cheers.)—All mercantile
transactions had sustained the greatest inconvenience, and
he could assure the House AS a fact, that the stocks bad
this very day fallen three per cent.—(Loud cries of bear,
hear, hear)--and this, it should be remembered, was
after a fall of four per rent. during the past week. Such
a state of things could not he looked ou without the
greateitt alarm and. apprehension. An individual, without
any fault of- his own, without any speculation, who was
worth tens of thousande to-day, might be reduced to beg-
gary this day week lie thought the letter of the Right Hon.
Secretary was a sufficient ground fur the country to sup-
pose that Minister', felt great alarm at his Majesty's in-
tended visit. Ile (Mr. Brougham), was, however, happy
to hear from the statement of the Right Honour-
able Gentleman that he entertained no fears for the
loyalty and attachment of the people at London and
Westminster. He was glad to hear fist they were
nut tainted, but had offered every mahatma, In their power
to protect the Sovereign and preserve the pore. But
then the Right Hon. Gentleman said it would he very den•
gereus to have a great crowd collected on a November night.
He could sce no such danger-convinced as he was that
nine hundred and ninety out of every thousand were ac-
tuated with the greatest loyalty and desire to preserve the
public peace. The King never could go in procession '
without a great crowd being collected, anti it was only justice
to the people of London and 'Westminster to say that his
person, whatever might be the crowd, Would be safe. On
one day the country were told that the Sovereign
could go in safety to visit the loyal citizens of Lon•
don--and a fe v days afterwards, a letter comes front the
Secretary of State to the Lord Mayor, which says tliat
the King could not do so with safety.-• (Hear, hear.)—
To what an opinion must this lead in the country, or
more particularly abroad, where his' Majesty's popularity
was not so well known: did it not look as if' our
gracious Sovereign had lost his popularity when they
were told by an officer of the Crown, that he could not go
through town without creating a riot?--(Dear, hear.)—
Such, however, was not the case. The King was as po-
pular as ever. The King could go as irately through Lon-
don as ever.—(Cheers.)—The King should go and leave
the unpopular Duke at home.—(Cheers, and liughter.)
Lek him be shut up in his house, and there defend it.—
(Hear, hear.) He would repeat that the .King was us
popular as ever—that be would be as safe as ever
—and that lie would advise him to go and leave
his unpopular compulion behind biro.- (Chcerr.)
Sir," concluded the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, " I
will' I had not lived to see the day when forgetfulness of
those memorable achievements which have made for the
Duke of Wellington, as a soldier, as a conqueror, as the
defender of his country, a great, a brilliant, an imperials.
able renown, has been coupled with the deviation of his
Grace from his own proper sphere, and his attempt to'
nialse himself what, it is plain,,:naturee who made him so
great a General, never intended to make him,-__a great
and useful Statesman :—when forgetfulness, by the rabble,
of those splendid merits which no subsequent demo he
ought ever to erase from the memory of his country;

merits as a soldier, and, in some reopen, write ti A
Statesman too (although I am aware that on that 86,. !
there are differences of opinion);--I say, Sir; I ws4 1
part of the people, united with feet/. debase un the pet
Impossible for him safely to accompany his Sovereigs ta
ellllil
l',ol'''rotialalidlsvl.vti visitCtl'iletei)ihih'ein°ll.
yfp:'eliPon:l c
OGltsDe.t:ai luntlt'uLn'ilelii
pa‘nrk.fteel jilt': s e
dioi:t9ynot otml.t °,l%)fc °‘.e°'digtthtlauiuer:Eywillr'ese(deobSslii "Iraouditsn'
pi disclaim
I,lreivaaieng,ne coil:.
cpcah'dcuoeleatphil
i,:lye,lryeaso:l'al) iv
when
proper
foi.teh:h)ciar sti:ninaoose CStepttaeehaa 4npc heartsct i:cirkritut treoufrlta°llvhf'loalreir: fvo
I.:it
sasuhntrh
lei8);1
::rinil
1 ilij:l.'s:::td(min:.l;
5:1::::::
sitiitmhewohLefenrsodevinced. lie condemned ma much to woo
lington. That cheer of his to which the Right flos•
Gentleman had so pointedly alluded, wo excited by Ids
that the Right Hon Geutletunt's truer
to
quillity of the country, and his finding that it rosily, r''''
carded only fiom the unpopularity of the Duke of el.
lingfon. , But were his Majesty's Ministers to cogitate
thus wantonly to endanger the peace of the tosotg?
Were they to continue to allow their own unpopulafilY ,
prevent his Majesty from enjoying the popularity al"'
own character?
Sir 11. pm,. said, it must be evident that be did oot
wish to treat the protein question as a que.tioo oi 1)11.
His object was to co-operate with the Hum and Ford
Member for Yorkshire in endeavouring to coniplillin I''s
country. He would, therefore, omit all natice of his sa
casm ; express his admiration of the Hoe. and Lar'l
Gentleman's intentions ; and admit that he had put a ca-
rect construction on the whole transaction.. lial i'e.
e
f
e
e
lieve with the Hon. and Learned Gintlemon that their
Majesties might have gone topliietrbaceiYocuittalyriewedAittoehnnoliDuoyntfgaciakt"teilityhatolditir4iuld'fPBl3:•:'
venience but that perhaps arising from an exuberance of
affection on the part of their subject'; he did believe that
from one end of the procession to the other,. their 310/,„
would have been received with one uolstresi tlew"""it'l:(
of loyalty ; he also believed that every pools P"'""K"
property would have exposed himself to any intiger in e.
deaveuring to preserve dole public peace, a foli 14 which
the voluntary offer of fourteen or fifteen butndre from
persons
fur that purpose afforded sufficient evidence. So for
respectable inhabitants of the city of believingLo that any disloyalty or disaffection ex^ated amo
b e'
ng
the he
ev that on no occasion bad a greater spirit of attach,
!meat to the Sovereign been manifested thou would, baleve
been manifested during the intended viait. But li
the
ee
cHonotutasebciesalmwloyureldflieicatveoubtbeien cousenelimtiebnitdin
issulloientei All All
would have been placed by the projeeted festival. An tl'ili
firemen would have been employed to the procesion. 4",
an early hour of the day. Would it have beru soli .
leave the whole suburbs of the town exposed too oes t
tnsiwilYelliaevocolinieuscyrulhdob
junoiie,nteuinghtthawavteentostbri:eatetiiiinggifiihnntoedlffenvootoarldueuteetganrtiipe;:rtiobouiniaiebliloonitwoobtii;heordemoell:,
gation of an enormous crowd on a November night, 01;
might be avoided ? St ould it booboo right to rlimevils
hittli,aerisieleoy?usuep:altilveirdatllit,emh: was anxious to weld 1141 'present
alltlaajne)s,tytiltoureyes;the affections of his subject*, or °lt Btu
Hoare at an
Mr. Alder:aft:Wit
any Hon. Member in his &Wow, and that hello' iir
l e
ng.twhiht:AstoibK,ulrreitiin
xi;
elitosit:dsluottynoipwtet.ion:us°llipiliL:rof.oltb"t:telt:illtier;l::::
H
altogether silent. They were-placed in a nowt ex
_,...01,
nary situation. They were told tint almost then:frt
oular Monarch that ever sat on the British throt, 77,
not go and see his subjects in the city of L0..10,,,p,";,,,
the risk of disturbing the public pare. It Is Cato the
tlysafolioinidrrue deviate flow
observed, that
u rte yl is tuviltli liretsorrYoul;
en him to state some farts which it was impel,,,,„
House and the public should know, iu addiiiros 10110
which had been stated by the Right Hon, Gentitono Ply
would also venture to express, not what Ills hi' Poly
alone, but the opinion of the Court of Alderisea expn.
called this morning ou account of the Right Hou•
sat,_u:
tlemin's letter. Among twelve individinde doe ,
one dissenting opinion. They were Magistrste
tioor:lti
city of London. Having sat in Committee 4'7,1 „4,,,,
take precautions for the preserratiosi of the
.pdrietitiwriefo,
having sworn in a great body of retPee'able 17.ititient 00
that purpose, it was with the greatest sstott ,o, , _ tht
they this day heard that any apprelleo'i°" 'St
,t ju"tre
matins of his Bfa* ' Government on the bar. .. A.
caognotedinundeicaatlioonfjrhaaqtdYustint aPPl3Pc7",wdh“tht: tittni:drilv'tiiit:tvabil:S°ll7l:)°l
on the subject by three ,Ivirt ~caber individuals
b
had taken au active part ." hu, 1 fur the present Leid
the Lord Mayor elect, who sae- c tatnuoicatioeil'ei
Mayor. Into the particulars
°I
ible'en°tlemsu would re-
would not enter; the Bight Hort. ' „ ,he would OW'
late them much better than he could. Pt" ~ Lo ,ti May
this :—shat when it was wet wined that t: eu:00 co,‘,
elect had written to the Duke of Welliall n
disturboor '
mattes, in answer to an inquiry whelber anythat,, 0 011
V" aPPrehentled, were unequivocally
inquiryto tt it., ay-
apprehension was entertained. 01 .de'ro, hod
geared that au Hun. Baronet, a iVorthY 4.1,
.11 (10 ; tl'
been running a good tleal backwards and tun, ' ~,t pis
though he (Mr. Alderman Waitliman) of c,frieoset:oo,4
icnow the nature of his communication. li, ‘,,,,i beta-
that it was most strange that no conorionicallo7ooo,l
Made to the !Magistrates of London respeettlt;:catlite''
that was deemed of so much importance, !im` ta upoa is '
Councils were, be believed, held Cat aelibera.
woo
He, although a Magistrate of the y, wits n-;,1,00 by tbt
the hoard ou which be stood of the letter oe 'n'idlit iiit
Lord Mayor elect, until the moroeut whey di ,',.ritaota
Gentleman's letter arrived. He then whey
loy OA,
down to the House, where he wan WO t°,ll cook tit
Colleague of his, who, lie doubted not, make. sfa
11 ~,
statement be had thought it his duty to
pot da !;;
that the police of the city of London 11'0,74 lo P 1
duty, and that the Alagistrates were not tor of Loaa,l
the peace, was a groat reflection ou the I,...,l'beile'
which it indignantly 1 epelled.—(llesn, be 1-,;,/tott his 0,1;
was that one of two things' must go forth--,,„00( ie in,.,
jest), was nut eufficiently popular W triot itr; virtr
Principal city, or that be hed an Atlicin's„o,oo f,',,:,
was unworthy of his confide:mt.—(llW.) ''„l, tbe la
the Right Hon. Gentleman's Mier had been 70epooij
gistiates all declared that they could keep tier, frets „
anti it wait doubted' by his Hon. Colleague the of l'
subsequently by many others, whether the .1, poll,
day, the Under-Secretary of State for the /he tip t
quire.ptLimeat°ftorieganl,:ielji
il Right
igAtli 1 le
difeltiauhino_tYulatEtiw:rtidtheeGiraeewlteir: neptiethggenuine,t:pWeenwmrisuataporueeuxg.‘ie.etiatidsdnsiohi
luwansai
lionies Guildhall,
e.uetilto
jcinfityl, atii:de
dt ati;:uselniwivri
iigeisilpirilrehieti ittailltii::.,:::i
1..1
0::::itt it:et:fl )41:19tritir,1 iti.,, ntli
1., , ,
pt;P:ii,
b,.! '
—that a most lamentable fall bad taken VW*
,:-thriaigi ,:
country. He again asked if it was not On, tb*
L°rd Mayer Elect should not have crosulteti redo dec
&trace, or with the Members fur the 01' - ael 0..5
he could not trust himself with the expree'S-0 Arum',
talon upon a subject on which his feelings nirro_oilastal
excited. If the procession leery to have oecdwapprebes;
the delivery of the Speech from the 'Doge; Beorttit'j
sins) of tlw kind dwelt upon by the Right Out. 8e
t`,.'l
could have been entertained. lie stated, in ~ the (11c,
that speech had created great dissetisfaction '
30004
but still be anticipated no disturbance. 'flit: of titi, ',lto
ogre well prepared to preserve the peace, 1., to tia ale
of Temple-bar, it related with the tioveronwe'hio, 4,•
necessary measures for preventing' any di*T."Lats 6701
felt as strongly as any other person could fee"niwati
will were molesting the New Police.--(!lea., Welted
had never pronounced an opiuitat resPecting...:i 1101/.71:1
kqew not whether the, ayatem would be founo to•-
. Jed tee': aer
beneficial or not. It wry true be can't." hut It ',
,-t., • . mi.
establishment of the New Police iu the v. 7 ' alt" f
because they had peculiar laws and govern:nen , twit o
own. In addition to their ordinary pace Weill, prooe:
people were ready to come forward and plescreel their
ono,
detaintethin.weialrtrt:nhti,inantthiatthattbeiflailinuisityerswehread ale ...0 Os
to at ar.:,„(ilior,
it could not fail to bring In a verdict of iluelaiEY'
and laughter.) •
coul:dlr.assfluOrellifthOeUHSoEu,etrutshtedei that, as Memhert,fisttrj!l
minater, he might he excused fur *eying 1 1."; „at last
should be YerY.ll.: Ile I"
few' its possible on so momentious an occataiTj. ,i 0,,,, atea.
felt it his duty to inquire as far as he °with, Noll
Speech from the Throne, and the declaration obe itoi Fels
Duke in another place, wbether or 11'4
o"o cbaug of
nerally braid, namely, that there we,
!Tyralitos._,
the public of Won with respect to the Adam" ' wolfs ills
wien) l° tSP
even (if he might be allowed the ex pr ej otos ~,
King himself, was true. And now he loytelivoctity 48-if
illicitly to confirm what had been said by 0.00, orot
detruan. He begged to confirm tbe.stAtnwe and Seerp its
tole might, that there was, in the cottona!, the citY* IA
seise of the word, no disaffection whatever I_l.w, it Ale
tint common aoceptatiart of the word iiisarcc:lo,ot, leiti
be applied to the general system of Go,
!.. wyd set
peodent of the Admioi.tratiott of the
..! ciao. EfoL,
the term in this sense, he asserted, that n's jot asstrliws
the Member for Middlesex Would coallrla