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and advantageous reforms be introduced, but let not
the rich man be benefitted at the expence of the
poor. lie - objected also to the Bill, because the
humane clauSe was thrown overboard—that which
limited arrests on mesne process to sums over 100/.
was thrown out, and the protection of men in humble
life was swept away from them. When be heard
the powerful, he might say the seductive, speech
of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite on the subject
of legal reform, at the commencement of the Ses-
sion, he could not but regard it as a speech full of
hope and of promise; and if that Right Hon. Ba-
roaet possessed as much legal knowledge as he then
showed disposition to remedy abuses—a disposition,
no doubt, sincerely expressed—it would remain for
him (Mr. O'C.) to throw together his thoughts
upon that interesting and important subject.
After a few words from Mr. WILBRAHAM, -
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the
views of the Hon. and Learned Member for Clare
might be extremely well founded, but he must be
allowed to say that up to that time at least they
were purely theoretical, and as theories, he must
continue to treat them until that Hon. and Learned
Gentleman thought proper to bring in a Bill him-
self embodying the opinions which then and at other
times he had expressed upon the subject of legal re-
forms. He next proceeded to reply to his Hon. and
Learned Friend the Member for Plympton. After
complaining of the preambles having been likened to
a sheet of white paper, he proceeded to observe that
it did riot appear to him that his Honourable and
Learned Friend had, on the present occasion, exer-
cised his usual industry, or he would have been at
no loss for the tendency and operation of the several
clauses of the Bill ; and when they went into Com-
mittee, if the House agreed to do so, he would un-
dertake to explain to his Hon. and Learned Friend
the operation of every one of the clauses. He next
noticed the clauses that had been added to the Bill,
observing that it was considered more convenient to
make the enactment for the payment of the retiring
Welsh Judges, and for the payment of the new
Judges, part of the present measure, than to intro-
duce a new Bill for that purpose. The only effect
of the Bill was to assimilate the jurisdiction of the
law in both parts of the kingdom—to make the
King's writ obeyed in Wales as it was all over Eng-
land ; and so far as he could learn—and he had taken
every pains to inform himself upon the subject—it
was the universal opinion both in England and in
Wales, that the time had arrived, when that asssitni-
lation ought to take place. He had now nothing
more to say, except that he believed there did not
exist a worse system than that which prevailed in
Wales. He had only in conclusion to say, that the
object of this Bill was to put all the Courts upon
the same footing; and if the House would but go
into Committee on the Bill, he felt little apprehen-
sion of not being able to satisfy them, clause by
clause, that the Bill would accomplish the objects
proposed; and further to show, that those objects
were in themselves;beneficial.
Mr. G. G. MORGAN, though he represented a
place in Wales, should support the motion for going
into a Committee.

Sir JOHN OWEN should oppose the motion.

Mr. WILLIAMS WYNNE declared his inten-
tion to support the Bill. He cordially approved of
all its clauses, with, perhaps, one exception.
The House then divided, when there appeared
For the motion
Against it
Majority —99
On re-entering the Gallery we found the House
in a Committee on the Bill.

On the clause empowering the Judges to sit in
rotation at certain periods,
Sir C. WETHERELL re-stated some of the
objections he felt to the appointment of three new
Judges, and expressed a hope that the Attorney-
General would now put an end to the practice of
giving judgment on matters in Banco, without the
presence of the Chief Justice. His Hon. and
Learned Friend (the Attorney-General) knew well
that up to the time of Lord Mansfield it was the
invariable practice not only to require the presence
of the Chief Justice, but to have the case twice
argued. He did not desire that, but he hoped the
old practice would be revived with reference to the
Chief.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in reply, ad-
mitted the propriety of the Learned Gentleman's
suggestion, and observed, that by a clause in this
Bill, the Act which empowered three puisne
Judges to sit in Banco was repealed, and therefore
the ancient practice would be revived as a matter of
course.

Alter some discussion on points not at all connect-
ed with the clause under consideration, that clause
was ultimately agreed to; and it being a quarter to
two o'clock, the House resumed, and the Chairman
having reported progress, obtained leave to sit again
on Monday next.

The other Orders of the Day were then read,
and the House adjourned at Two o'clock, until this
day at Twelve o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
ORDERS OF THE DAY FOR THIS DAY.
I. Registrar at Madras Bill—Second Reading; Counsel.
2. Local Jurisdiction Bill—Second Reading.

NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THIS DAY.
I. Dr. Phillimore—Mot ion for the dates of the several applica-
tions for building Chapels, specified in the Return made
by the Commissioners under the Church Building Acts on
27th May, IRA
2. Dr. Phillintore—Return of the number of Causes in which
proceedings have been c.irried on for the purpose of ob.
taming sentences of separation a mensa et thoro, by reason
of adultery, in the several Ecclesiastical Courts of Eng-
land and Wales, from 1822 to 1829, inclusive, and the re-
sult of all such proceedings.