The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-08 00:00:00

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thing must be, drawn by that aVe architect—it dues not
seem a very fit design for such a Memorial.
Altogether the result of our inspection was, that, on
the ()fie hand, the exhibition did not deserve unqualified
and undiscriminating censure ; yet, on the other band,
it was by no intans calculated to e tri, a very exalted
idea of the genuis of E. gish artists. Of the whole
number, there were not above three or•four which he
should deem worthy of selection, and scarcely half-a-
-' dozen which possessed any high degree of excellence—
esclusive of columns, of which an architect's apprentice
could draw a hundred, merely hating to copy a model of
.one of the five Orders, arol plaw, a figure on the top
.of
r. But there was a vast quantity of childish pucrit-
nos and 16ntastic ii absurdhies—columns inter ,ected by
the sterns of boats, iooking like a Chinese pagoda—im-
mense towers, surrounded by w'ndicir staircases and
resting on huge uutu,oleurns, locking like old prints of
the To,,er of Babel---p:dt;y devices, looking like the
sp,mive ereat;ons of a pastry cook's fancy—and hete-
t,.gennus m:sses of allegorical groups—sailors and sea
s.:rsei, classical costumes and B:iiish on:forms—looking
lik,! nobody could guess what.

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the
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n her
being paid off her masts were surveyed and found sound,
but being on the construction of the late surveyor of
the Navy, Sir Robert Seppine, and being found
strained, in order to secure them it was proposed to put
in new cheeks and fishes. These were prepared, but in
consequence of the wood being new, it was thought ad-
ai-eible, so long as the ship was not required to leave
them unchecked to season. That was the explanation
he had received.—(Hear, hear ) At the same time he
( Earl Minto) had desire.l to know, in the event of a
Ifth ont
board, antl
had ir
also s
vessel being required, when she would be
ready for sea,
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and he was told that in
e;
writtentlie ntsoastksnowcouldbe
pwhether,
in the event of a sudden call, there were other masts
suitab!e for the Revenge, and unappropriated, and the
reply was that there were ; the date of the letter was
the of February. The Noble Earl proceeded, in
a very indistinct to.tnner, to refer to the visit of Lord
Ileribeieke to the storekeeper's. The storekeeper's ac-
count of the visit stated that his Lordship was perfectly
s itisfied with what he saw, and, in fact, did not consi-
der it necessary to go throttA the entire of the store
room,- There were then complete sifts of sails with
tepleas.s ready rn• three fr:g,ates en foreign s,t,•l ice.
Second rates one ditto-L'excepting a few sails, they
were entirely complete.
L rd HA RD WICKE.—I do not understand that.
—( flear. and letigh!er.)
Lord MINTO.--1 sail .hree sums of sails.
Lord HARD W CK E.—l understand- thee—
( Iseughter.)
Lord Mi N TO—There were eight topsails only
wautine for the second-rate. There was one third-rate
Stilt complete, except fore and maia.topsail. There
were altogetior in the store 66 top ails for ships of the
flee. With respect to the other parts of the Noble
Earl's speech lie could produce papers, but which he
bad not now ebont him, from which he could answer
in detail.—(Elea, hear, bear.) He would produce
those upon :.in early occasion. The Noble Lord had
saii! that there were PO topsails for demonstration ships.
He thought the Noble E sri was entirely mistaken here.
Bat if his p •pars should cot bear him out in this de-
eleration, altl,ou2h be bad the strongest conviction
that they would, he would coni:ss that he had been
exceedingly in error, and that in that case our supply
of stores iv.'s far short of what it ought to be, and what
was indispenriNe to the service of the country.
Lord HARD W ICKE, in explanation, stated
that the Noble Ear's a:trnission that the 66 suits
of topsails ~vere included in the stores, only confirmed
what he (Lord H irdwicke) had said.—(llear.)
The Deice of WELLINGTON, after a few pre-
I-minary words, which were lost to the Okra, was un-
de-stood to remark that to his great regret he was
appreheosive their Lerships had entirely overlooked the
most important part of this momentous question. He
was happy indeed to bear that the Revenge had three
good masts, but he would beg leave to remind them
that the discusssion had turned upon demonstration
ships, which if called upon were not ready for action;
lie would ask Noble Lords, were not we at
war in two quarters of the world at this moment ?
(Hear, -hear.) We were at war in America, and we
were carrying on war to a great extent in Asia.—( Hear.)
He thought, therefore, that the forces of this country
should he on a war establishment—whereas, this discus-
sion had turned upon she question of the propriety of
supporting a peace establishment—nay, more, a reduced
peace establishment. What! carrying on war in two
quarters Of the world at the same time with a reduced
peace establishment ! Ile would remind their Lord-
ships that nearly two years ago he wnrned them against
the consequences of persevering in such an attempt.
He believed since that time they had been feeling the
inconveni,:nce of' such a course,-and he trusted in God
that danger and disaster might not soon make them feel
still more the fatal error of persevering in that system.
A fence establishment—even a peace establishment—
mieht be very fit and very proper fhr service in time
of :‘peace. But when you come to carry on war,
your peace establishments would not be found
equal to perform the duties required from them
in time of peace, and likewise those extensive
duties required from them in time of war. Now
he would like to call their Lordships' attention
to one important. point as illustrating the dangerous ab-
surdity of carrying on war service with a peace esa-
blishment in the N ivy. In the mon:h of August
last year, a discussion took place in the House
with . respect to the blockade in Mexico.—(Hear.)
In his opinion, as well as in the opinion of several
Noble Lords, it was expedient to send a squadron of
her Majesty's ships to that pert of the world to look
after the blockade, and to afford protection to the
lives and commerce of' her Majesty's subjects in that
country.—(Heer, hear.) 'Flue French Government did
not carry on war with the peace establishment. When
they went to war with Mexico, and sent a force there,
it was a force upon us waihestabliehment ; and what hap-
pened, they carried on war operations, and war opera-
tions of a very active description ; but we being en-
gaged in a war with part of America, and having only
a peace establishment, were obliged: to take our
ships engaged in operations of war, from North Arne-
riea, where they were for the purpose of putting down
tile rebellion in Canada, to send them to the Gulph
of Mexico, to perform the peace duties of
giving. protection to the commerce of British subjects.
Admiral Sir Charles Pag-,et was ordered with his
squadron to prrform those duties in North America,
nod that squadron was subsequently withdrawn, for the
purpose of being sent to Mexico to perform peace du-
' ties—that WAS a point which he complained of. We
were carrying on war with America, and also in Asia ;
trig of them requiring all the- force and power which
this country could send out, in order to bring that war
to an early and honourable termination. We were
doing that with a reduced peace establishment, sod in-
curring all descriptions of risk in every other part of the
world. And this was the case while these disputes between
Noble Earls weregoing on upon whetherthere were or were
not a few masts in certain ships in the dock-yards of
this country, while, in point of fact, comparatively the
whole of the force at this moment was unarmed and
unfit for the contests that were going forward. He
had stated this over and over again a year and a half
ago, and be now repeated that our force was
totally inadequate even to peace duties. .A Noble
Lord a few evenings ago adverted, from a correspon-
dence that belied, to the inconveniences resulting to the
colonies from the vast number of volunteers that had
been called under arms in that particular spot. The
truth was that both agricultural and every other inte-
rest was at a stand still there, and though a soldier was
saved by every volunteer that was called into the ser-
vice, yet an infinitely larger sum of money was in that
way required. It was known to all the world, and must
be known to the Government, that our establishment
was quite inadequate to bring the wars that were now
going on to an early and honourable end, and which
never could be successfully accomplished unless the wars
were undertaken in earnest.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the only
question before the House was, that a petition should
lie on the table, and the only entice that had been given
was of a motion for the production of a memorial re-
specting the administration of justice in Mullingar.—
( Hear, hear.) He did not object to the ob-
servations made by the Noble Duke, but he
was sure the Noble Duke would feel with him that they
were so important as that the subjects on which he had
touched ought not only not to have been entered upon
without notice, but that they ought. not to have been
entered upon in the absence of the Noble Lord at the
head of the Government, who was prevented from at-
tending. in his place from indisposition. The present
ieeenp'e might induce their Lordships to be a little
more attentive in future to the regulation of the pro-
ceedings. Upon an incidental proceeding the Noble
Duke had announced his opinions and apprehensions on
topics of vast importance, and in the estimation of
which importance he (the Noble Marquis) could not
yield to the Noble Duke, or any one else. In his
opinion they required to be the subject of grave con-
sideration. He did not rise, therefore, to follow either
the Noble Duke or the two Noble Lords who had pre-
ceded him, the two latter, in their discussion of adap-
tation of sales and masts at Plymouth and Portsmouth ;
but lie would say he trusted the Noble Duke
would afford his Noble Friend at the head of
the Government a future opportunity of explana-
tion on this subject. While he, the Noble
not shut his eyes to tilos.
Marquis could rave subjects
parts of th
of' apprehension, in various e world, which
night eventually affect the interests of the country, be
could not admit that this country was in a state of war.
He could not admit that
this country was
in a state of
war with any maritime P
who had looked
He contended, and any
of their Lordships into the detai's of
the subject must know, that while this country had a
establishment, it was apeke establishment supe-
riorpeace
peace establishment that haul
to almost any
ever
been found to exist in any formerrl period of the maritime
history of the country. Not only
iwl as a larger peace
establishment than those
which existed before, an
which at very recent periods had been thought by for-
mer Governments wholly adequate to maintain the in-
tegrity!f the country ; but that, being a
and dignity o.
had up to this moment not been
peace establishment,
once found wanting in any quarter of the globe in which
it had been found necessary to assert the dignity of the
British liar,
and maintain the interest of the Govern-
ment. Without entering. into further details, he wished
to set the Noble Duke right upon an important point,
upon which he had unintentionally been led into
mistake, and which it was material, both as
Government, to the credit of the and to the
establishments of the country, should be distinctly un-
derstood. The Noble. Duke supposed that the British
force, which for the protection of British interests had
been recently usefully and effectively employed upon
the Coast of Mexico, could only be obtained by with-
drawing that force from the Coast of Canada. He
could assure the Noble Duke, that he had been misin-
formed on that point. The greater portion of the force
' had been sent out from this country. and no one single
ship had been withiyawn from. the Coast of Canada for

The I that purpose, which had not been so ordered to be with.
drawn by previous orders, independently of what was
oceuring in Mexico ; and for the plain reason, that upon
the Coast of' Canada, and in the River St. Lawrence,
it would have been unsafe to have retained them there.
Two ships had been removed from the Coast of Ca-
nada, that had not been ordered to be removed before ;
and the greater force employed in Mexico, was a force
at liberty in this country, and despatched from it to meet
the exigencies that had arisen. This explanation he felt
it to be his duty to give, but he was anxious that no
further discussion should take place in the absence of his
Noble Friend at the head of the Government.
The Duke of WELLINGTON should not have
said a word, had it not been that he considered the
observa.ions of the Noslc Lords who preceded him,
proceeded from something of a mistake. There was
war at this moment going on by us in two quarters of
the globe, and he certainly considered that our force
was insuffieient to bring an. war to an hononrable and
early termination. Th it %VAS his opinion. The Noble
Lori opposite had said he was mistaken in respect of
'the shops that had been c did from North America ;
hut so far from being mistaken, he believed he might
have gone further than even he had gone. When they
began to make war with peace establishments they
starved the peace establishment as well as the war, be-
cause they had no reserve for any other purpose. He
hoped that Noble Lords would not experience the truth
of what he had stated ; he hoped they would feel no
inconvenience from carrying on a war with a peace
establishment ; he had protested against the course two
years ago, and lie protested against it now. He felt
strongly upon the• subject, but he could assure their
Lordships that in that feeling lie had no desire wi:at-
ever, except the honour of the service.—(Hear, hear.)
If the Noble Lord wished the question to he discussed
in another shape he could have no objection to it.
The subject then dropped.
The Earl of ABERDEEN presented various peti-
tions from different parts of Scotland, praying for in-
creased m-ans of rel;gious instruction in that country.
Lord DUNCA NNON laid upon the table an cc-
count of the number of cases decided in the Court of
Session in Scotland in the year 1833.
The Ecclesiastical Susp-nsion Bill went through
Committee.