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London, England, 1808-06-17 00:00:00

COMMUTATION OF TYTHES IN IRELAND.

-.Mr. M. FrrzOtta,un rose to make his promised
caption to refer to a Cointnittee the Petition from
the. Coeur), of Kerry,. praying for a Commutation •
ofTy-thes. He presented this Petition, not.only, in
conseqUence of the wish expressed by his Consti-
tuents, but also from his own sentiments on the
subject, confident as be was that some meamire
must be ultimately adopted upon it if it were wished
to restore and preserve the complete tranquillity of
Ireland. He.defended th© County Meeting at .Which
ibis Petition originated, from the censure of having
been the cause of the agitation of the public- mind
in Ireland upon this topic, declaring that that agita-
tion had pre-existed for a considi'able time. He
entered into a description of the evils of the present
system, of which a great majority of the people of
Ireland, and even of the Clergy themselves, were
fully sensible; but concluded with observing, that as
his Majesty's Mi»isters
,had intimated their inten-
tion to take the .subje6t into their serious cOnsidera-
lion in the interval between the present and the next
Session 4)f Parliament, he should not press his mo-
tion any further, than to allow it to be the vehicle
of any observations which it might be thought de-
sirable to make upon the general subject.
The CHANCELLOR 'of the Excneauga availed
bitnSel I of the opportunity afforded him by the
.Hon.
Gentlemtm's Motion., di:4lo4ly to state, iii It it was
the intention of hid Majesty's Government 'seriously
to consider this bus?ness, ofthe importance of which
they were completely convinced, He had already
Maid considerable attention to it hitnlell, but he re-
gretted to observe, that the further he went into the
examination, the more arduous did the task appear,
and that the undertaking of applying a remedy to
the evil, appeared to be beset with difficulties almost.
insurmountable. He repeated, however, that every
ettn't should. be made to remove them.
Mr.. PARNELL expressed his satisfaCtion at. the
sentiments which the Heuse had just heard from the
Right Hot. Gentleman.

Mr. PONSONBY concurred in Ate satisfAion ex-
pressed by lfis.Hon. Friend, but was far from think•
ing that the difficulties in the way of some arrange-
mein by which the grievances complained of might
be removed, were so great' as were imagined.
General MATTnew stated, that he held in his
hand a Petition vu the subjeat, from the County of
Tipperary, but that atter what had fallen trout
the Right Hon. Gentletnamopposite, he should re-
frain from presenting
Sir G. Hitt, was at,xious CO: kupW., whether or not
his Majesty's Govertitheot tet?dett to take into their
consideration 'the commutation of tythes in' Eltglinid
as well as -in Ireland. He deprecated any interfer-
ence on this point. in the one Country which did
not extend to the other..

Mr. Heausr recoaime:l4e,d, in very strong

terms, the, measure of a tommatation, .which he
was eoevinced would not be' attended with shy in-
superable difficulty, and which be was, satisfied
would be as acceptable to the Clergy as to the Laity.
He knew, several instances in which Clergymen
bad declared to him that they would be willing to
&ate a sixth of their clerical revenue, if it could be-
coile6ted with more facility, and in a manner less
•
repugnant to their feelings.
Mr. BURTON was by DO means of opinion that
this- was an easy subje6t. In that part of Aeg-
land where for many years he had been engaged,.
in the'llischaige of his professional duties, the ad-
justment of tyt hes had ever been attended with more
complication and difficulty than any other matter
which had fallen under his notice ; and he had just
'been :told by an Hon.. Friend near him, that in the
County of Devon a veiy vigerous attempt which
had: been made. to arrange the. 'commutation of
' tythes had been 'abandoned, on the' experience of
the impossibility. of success.
Mr. SHERIDAN trusted that the people of Ireland
would-not relax in theii-Peiitio:is to Parliament on
' this subjbei, fully convinced as he was that what-
ever Might be said by ;iis-Majesty's Government, it
was .to Parliament alone that eventually they must
look for redress. He completely differed from the
: Honourable and Learned Gentleman who had just
spoken, with reseed to the nature of the difficulties
by which this subject was surrounded. In his opi-
nion they were difficulties which a little attention
I)e'night obviate. ' iii eases of Inclosure, they were ob.-
"tinted at present, and he could not conceive why the
.principles which applied to inclosures might not b
generally diffused over the whole system of the
country. While he was on his legs he would say a
few words on a subjed in which he was more per-
sonally concerned. At the close of the last Session
_ of Parliament, in consequence of the passing of two
Bills, which, as they were now legislative Ass, be
would not charatilerise, in the terms of abhorrence
which justly belonged to them, he bad given a so-
lemn notice of his-intention, early in the present
Session of Parliament, to, move for a Committee to
examine the general state of Ireland. On the meet-
ing of Parliainent, however, he had been, induced,
by 'the recommendation of 'those to whose advice he
must ever listen with.deference on all subjecas, and
More especially on every thing which 'elated to Ire-
land; to postpone this motion until after the discus-
sion of the Catholic Petition; a discussion the good
effeets of which, on the general feeling of the House
and of the country, were very plainly discernable.
Sine's that discussion he had been induced still fur-
ther to delay , his motion by various motives, of
which the approaching consideration of the subjed
immeclietely before the House was one of the most
Weighty ; and as that had been postponed until. so
late • a period, he should abandon all intention of
bringing forward his motion during the present
Sessioe.
After some further discussion, in which .Mr.
Rose, Mr. Bastard, Sir NV.' Biked, Mr. Fitzgerald,,
end- Mr. Lockhart; participated, Mr. FITZGERALD
withdrew his motion. . .
EXPIRING LAWS.

4 The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHE-WER moved the
Order of the Day for going into a Committeeon the
Expiring Laws Biil.
On the qtaestion being put,
Mr. SHERIDAN objeaed CO the the greund
that this Bill was to change the whole course, and
practice of Parliament. This Bill was fraught with
mischief; because, its preamble states, that" Where-
as much inconvenience arose from the Expiration of
Acts before the continuingßill could be passed." NO
inconvenience was proved to have been felt and,
if it had, it. was the fault of his Majesty's Ministers
that they not did call the attention of Parliament to
such Bill. It ought therefore to be called a Bill
to encourage the idleness, laziness, and
negligence
of his Majesty's Ministers. , If .a Bill irnpo,ing, pe-
nalties, transportation, or death, was near expiring,
the etfed of this. Bill would be to continue it with-
out contemplating that the continuing Bill may not
' pass ; and then, according to this Act, a man spay
Comtnit a crime, for which he 'may be hanged, as It
were, in a parenthesis. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man then enumerated a variety of cases in which
public mischief would arise it this law were to be
Carried into etlca, and concluded by expressing his
expectation that the Right Hon. Gentleman would
not persevere in the measure.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended,
that this measure was not a violatiun of the usages of
Parliament for centuries, because the Session of Par-
liament, according to Parliamentary usage, was con-
sidered but as one day It was only a few years ago
that an Aa was passed, to provide chat As of Par-
Ballwin were to hive Ott& from theday of passing,
whereas, antecedently, all Ads had reference to the
first day of the Session in which they were passed.
The Right Hon, Gentleman seemed to think, that
it 'was the duty of Ministers to attend to the Acts
that were likely to expire, but did not seem to be
aware that a Committee was appointed at the com-
mencement of every Session, to inquire what Bills
•were likely, to expire, and if any neglet took place,
it was the not of the House. But in the view taken
'by the Right I-lon. Gentleman, he did out seem to
be aware that this Bill was not to have etre& by im-
posing penalties, confiscations, or forfeitures, it was
only to continue authorities to maintain jurisdictions,
until the enaament-of the continuing Bill. There-
fore the execution in the parenthesis, alluded to by
the Right Hon. Gentleman', could not ,take place
under this Bill. It would do much good, and could
do no injury. . -
Mr. PONSONBY thanked the Right Hon. Gentle-
Irian for having attended to the st,ggestion made by
him .respeding the inexpediency of continuing pe-
nalties by this Bill, when he had first mentioned the
subject. The ohjeaions of his Right Hon. Friend
would have been unaswerable against the original
notßill, if it had
the Right . been for the proviso introdnted by
n
Gentleman, excepting penaltie:s.—
But, certainly the introductipn of that proviso re-
moved a great part of these obje6tions, and, with this.
proviso,. he thought that the Bill might be previa:live
of benefit in certain eases.
The House then went into the Committee.
In .the Committee, Mr. SHERIDAN re-stated some
of . his objeititons to the Bib after which the
blanks were filled. up, and the House having :re-
sumed, the Report was ordered to be received to-
morrow, with a single dissentient voice (Slr. She-
ridott's). -

'no Pilots'.Bill vas read a third time and raised.

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The House resolved itself into a c)-junittee to
consider of the 45th Geo. 111. respeaing 'tie inwo.t-
ationof Rice, Corn, Rum, and Flour, into the WA
Indies and on the motion of Mr. hose. the Cluir-
man was diraled to move for leave to bring in a
Bill for Allowing the importation of Rice, Corn, and
Flour, from Foreign Colonies and the Con'tinent of
America, into 'the Ports of the West Indies; and
-on the House being resumed, the Chairman moved
forand obtained leave to bring in a Bill accord.
ingly.
The Prize Goods Bill was committed, reported,
and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
.The Stamp Duty Bill passed through a Commit-
tee, in which a short discussion took place between
.the Chancellor of
.the Exchequer, Sir W. Curtis,
Mr. S. Thornton, Mr. Dundas, Mr. D. Giddy; ~Mt.
S. Stanhope,, Sir W. Word, Mr. Bereslord, sadMr•
Dickensoni upon a proposition to rake the limitition
of'eUrrency off the country bank notes of one pool,
whilst it was to be continued on those of fivepougui
and upwards. A division then took placelroi the
proposition :--
Ayes 69
No-os • • •
r 6
, • Majority: . -53
On the clause respecting the duty to be laic als.";
Conveyances of Land, Mr. SPENCea STANtialt arWI
Mr. BRAND objected strengly,to the clause, as like-
ly to be very oppressive on the land proprietors'''
To which the CHANCELLOR of the F.;cctiv•atas re,:
plied, that the amount of the Stamp Duly WO I°"'
less than at present upon the sales. of lower:1(0'1"r'
whilst the duty was in no case to exceed one Per
cent. 'upon the proceeds
.or the sale. A short 6iSi:
cussion then. took place upon this clause, in "he
Mr. Spencer Stanhopef Mr. Brand, Mr.' liusklasfl!
Mr.• Davies Giddy, Sir SMuel Roinilly; Mr.
Keck, the' Solicitor..;General, Lord . Henry Petty'
• Mr. Dickenson, and the Chancellor of the Exebe:
quer, to_Pri3arri. after which a division too, f
upon ale clause, when the numbers. were,
for Mr
clause (as we could learn),
' • Ayes ' • • - •
25
Noss , . • . . •
orit .
A long :.discussionMaj ensy ued on the reniaial
alter which the House was resumed; aou
the Report was ordered to he received to-nxiirovhd
The other Orders of the Day,were then 'WI4
of, and at Half-past one o:clock this 11)OrtliOg I
House Adjourned. ,

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LONDOA,
FItIDAY, JUNE 17, 1808.
oFrIcIAL INTELLIGENCZ: rr.om
CADIZ.
Ints•morning, r.t seven o'clock, Litiat. SVAIT
arrived at the Admiralty with Dispatches from Ade
miral hntvls,..and he was tliso the bnrer of PO'.

patches from General SPENCZit to Lord CASTIP
• .
which
it &Atm. -They were brought in the ;Minorco,
arrived at Portsmouth yesterday evening, 3"d Ads
aural MONTAGU s,t he Port -Ada) irai, immediatelY
fern
warded them to London by Lient. STVARTione Obi°
own Lieutenants. These dispatches are dated the 914
,4
ot May, and at. that time the Negotiations b'lvve°
A.diniral PURVIS and the Marquis Di Socoao I's
h d
not produced any definitive arra. ngemeitt, l'or
any part of the troops under Gener.tl SkOcss
been landed at that time. It does not iiPPe3t'
however, that at the date of these dispatch" th'
evePt/
people of Cadiz were acquainted with the
Sr
which had taken place in the Provinces of Astur"
Gaßicia,• Biscay, Sec. and it is by no means surfri°
that, unacquainted with the general oliirit whiff'
• • to
animates their Countrymen, they should hesitate
commit themselves so far as to admit a Blitish /1.1°(1'
into their Harbour, or allow British l'roops
if
because, undoubtedly, by taking such a
they were not supported by the rest of the Natia'
they would expose themse'ves to the s.inir:.'l°ll
the hp,
effetis 'of BUoNAPARTE'S animosity. But Vi""i
pro'People of Cadiz, are acquainted with the decisive -
cures which have been adopted by the Northern'
nr
"vinces, when they see the spirit of resistance sr-e'