The Sun.
London, England, 1830-11-03 00:00:00

LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER, 3, 1830.

No. 11,901.

dominions in peace. Their Lordships would join with
him in assuring his Majesty of their regret on this subject.
Their 'Lordships would perceive that by the Treaty to
which he had alluded, the King of the Netherlands felt
himself precluded from giving his assent to any Rereilu-
tion which gave a separate establishment to Belgium, arid
separate constitutions, without previously communicating
with his Allies, wader whose guarantee the fundamental
law was adopted. He was happy to see a prospect of a
termination to the present state of our relations with Por-
tugal. Their Lordship, would be happy to learn, that an
Act of Amnesty had bsen declared in favour of that party
which bad opposed Don !gigue!. His Majesty had re-
marked in the Speech, and their Lordships must have
learnt the same fact from the usual channels for conveying
information to the public, that symptoms of discontent and
disorder bad rnanifested themselves in various parts of
Europe ; but their Lordships would see that they were all
of a local nature, and were no cause of apprehension to us.
Ile found in them a new proof of the high character which
this great and happy country had acquired in the civilised
world. He trusted their Lordships would readily agree
with his Majesty, and believe that he declared what was
agreeable to the sentiments of the great majority of his
subjects, when he said that he'meant to maintain the gene-
ral national obligations by which we were bound. His Ma-
jesty thought, no doubt, and so would his subjects, that by
such means we should best maintain the high character of
the country. Ile could not approach, without considerable
pain, the first topic of his Majesty's Speech, which was
purely of a domestic oature. His Majesty, feeling his ad 7
vanced period of life, bad invited the Parliament to take
into early consideration measures fat providing a Regency
in case of his Majesty's death before his successor had ar-
rived at years of maturity. He felt, and he had no doubt
their Lordships would feel themselves prepared to comply
with his Majesty's invitation, and that they would desire
to apply themselves to the serious consideration of such
measures as his Majesty's advisers should on this subject
submit to Parliament. Its that sentiment he was sure of
their Lordships' cordial co-operation. He thought he
might venture to say, that the Speeds which they had
beard that day, and the declaration they had heard of his
Ilfajesty's principles, with the measure he had recom-
mended them to adopt, was decidedly the language of the
heart. Ile also begged pardon for going a little out of
his way to snake an allusion to that part of his Majesty's
.Speech which was more particularly addressed to the
other noose of Parliament. It was not a usual occur-
rence, however, for his Majesty to snake a new con-
tract with his subjects for his revenue, and as that
was now the case, he could hardly allow it to pass unno-
ticed. He had heard very often stated the must erro-
neous opinions concerning the nature of the revenue en-
joyed by the Crown, and he believed that to this day the
most erroneous opinions concerning the Civil List were
prevalent. There was no subject, perhaps, of great
public interest on which the enlightened people of
this country were in general so ill-informed. Perhaps
he was wrong, but be believed that few individuals could
be found in the kingdom who had made 'such sacrifices for
the benefit of their private families as the sovereigns of this
country, particularly since the accession of George 111.,
Is ad made of their income for the benefit of their subjects.'
It was well known to their Lordships, that the hereditary
revenues enjoyed by the Kings of this realm up to the
accescion of King George HL; and consequently, during
the reign of the last two Sovereigns, had greatly exceeded'
the amount of the sums placed by Parliament on the Civil
List for ti.e service of the throne, out of which the whole
expellee of the civil government of the country, and of
many proceedings necessary to support the dignity of the
throne and the empire, hid to be maintained. He would
venture to allude to a measure that had received the sanc-
tion of Parliament last year; he meant the abolition of the
Beer Bill. Let them not forget that that was a uressaure
connected with the hereditary revenue of the Crown ; and
it !night fairly be supposed that it would not have been
brought forward, without previously receiving the appro-
bation of the late King. Let them not forget, that by the
abolition of that tax, a fund of no less than from three to
four hundred thousand pounds of the strict revenue of
the Crown had been given up for the permanent relief
of the public. By the abolition of that duty, also a
reduction of nearly SOO officers of Eicise had taken place,
of course attended msimh is" reduction of all their sala-
ries. He was as much disposed as any Mall to judge by
facts, and not by words ; and when he WV so touch of the
patronage of the Alinisters given up—when he saw this
followed up by their advice to Isis Majesty, to surrender to
the Parliament every source of hereditary revenue, he felt
that he was bound to put confidence in the GoYernment.
There was strong ground for that confidence ; and he had
no doubt that time country would give it as well as himself.
lie felt himself entirely unable to do justice to tho conclud-
ing portion of his Majesty's speech. It was a subject which
all must approach with regret; but he trusted that his
Majesty would take the 'best means of suppressing the
movements complained of, With a vigorous, but at the
same time with a paternal band. He warmly concurred
in the indignation expressed by his Majesty, in the at-
tempts that had lately been made to excite in the in-
habitants of Ireland a spirit of jealousy and dissatisfaction.
He could not, however, trust himself on thin subject ; for
he could not conceive an act more criminal, more cruel in
any man (he would try not to speak personally) in any man
of education, than to attempt to delude the minds of his
less educated countrymen. He would ask their Lordships
what was at present the greatest evil of Ireland ? And he
imagined the answer would be its poverty. And yet at the
very moment when the capital of this richer part of the
United Kingdom was at last beginning to flow towards that
bong distressed country, at that moment they saw the pre-
tended friends of Ireland endeavouring to impress their
snore ignorant countrymen with the notion that their union
with Great Britain was the great source of their evil and
distress. He was unwilling. to suppose that any great
1 portion of the inhabitants of Ireland could be deluded by
the miserable sophistry with which this was attempted to
be shown ; but at all events It is our duty to assure Isis
Majesty that we concur entirely in time intention expressed
by him, of employing, to the utmost of his power, those
means which the law provides for suppressing such
attempts. He was also proud to express his entire con-
currence in the view that bad been taken by his Majesty
of the condition of the country. fie could state frosts con-
viction, that he believed there was no country in the
world where the interests of all their inhabitants were so
fully and so honestly made out. It war with sincere
pleasure that he was able to bear testimony to the prospe-
rity and improved condition of this country.—(A loud
hear from the Elul of Stanhope, followed by a laugh.)—
It was known to many of their Lordships that every day
brought forth accounts of increased activity in the manu-
facturing districts. He heal been informed, upon authority
upon which lie could rely, of a most satisfactory fact—of
all kinds of goods manufactured, the greatest increase in
proportion had been on those articles which were required
for the consumption and wear of the labouring classes of
time country. Ile was aware that considerable pressure
still prevailed in some of the agricultural districts...-
(Hear, hear.)—But it•was fair to contend that there could
not be such ass improvement in the manufacturing districts
without a cortesponding advance taking place in the agri-
cultural districts also, The Noble Marquis concluded by
moving an Address, couched in accordance with the lan-
guage employed its the King's Speech. .
Lord MONSON seconded the Address; but in a tone
of voice au low as to be utterly inaudible below the bar.

The Earl of WINCHILSEA—There was one portion
of his Majesty's gracious comMunicetion which be was
sure would be received with heartfelt gratification through-
out the country—he alluded to- his Majesty's recommen-
' dation to Perhament that the strictest economy should he
practised in every part of the public expenditure. In the
present situation of this country it was by economy, and
by economy alone, that they could expect to restore peaoe
and tranquillity to this empire, and give confidence to
that portion of ;he agricultural and manufacturing popu-
lation where, he maintained, &farm wee prevalent to a
considerable extent.—(Hear,, hear, hear )—Many parts of
the country, be maintained, were labouring under dis-
tress to a considerable extent from the pressure of tbose
taxes which were imposed on the necessaries of life ; and
Parliament would ill dkcharge its fluty if it did no; in.
into the ;date of the egtieul-
stitute an immediate inquiry
tural population--(Hear, hear)—to see whet relief (prat
be given—to see what taxes pressed most heavily upon.
them, lightening thertt either hy imposing more judicious
ones in their place, or by doing away with then; altoge-
ther. He must now ray a fee, words as to the county of
Kent, in which,'he regretted to say, disturbances of Do
ordinary character had taken place. He did nut, how-
ever, believe that the origin of these distprbances was
rightly understood. • If any said that they were. brougl.

about by the peasantry of that county, be threw back the
imputation on, that person. In his opinion, whoever
were the doers of these evil deeds were edged on by some
who had, with great skill, hitherto concealed themselves;
but when their detection took place he would venture to
pledge himself the honest peasantry of the country would
be found not to be concerned. He firmly believed that
that spirit of insubordination, which had been so excited
in other parts, was at work in our own country, knowing
that the peasantry were in a state of disquietude. So
far from agreeing in the opinion expressed by the Noble
Marquis that distress did not exist—
The Marquis of BUTE—I beg pardon—l expressed no
such opinion.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA bad so understood the
Noble Marquis. So far, however, from that being the
case, he was convinced that in many districts the value of
property was so much diminished, that in many instances
it was not in the power of the occupiers to find employ-
ment for the agricultural labourers, or to do them justice
by giving them fair and adequate wages. He knew that
in many parts of Kent a considerable portion of the popu.
lation was unemployed, and those wages which the em-
ployed ought to receive in money (such was the distress of
the occupants) were generally paid at the village shop, by
which the labourer sustained a serious loss. If a fair in-
quiry through England was made, be was persuaded it
would be found that capital had experienced a consi-
derable iiminution, and that many had been reduced
from a state of 'odium:o to great misery and want. In
Kent,he knew (as be had stated last year) that a great
part of the small yeomanry of 20/., 301., 501., and
100/, a year, had disappeared. lie hoped, with re-
spect to the commotions which had taken place in Kent,
that the Government would lose no time in calling
on the energies of those who were interested in pre-
serving the institutions of the country. That imminent
danger prevailed, could not, he thought, be denied. He
said that there was a spirit abroad, anal at work, of which
many were ignorant; and he could answer, that out of
many to whom he had spoken last week on the subject,
every one had expressed himself willing to come forward
and give his assistance to such measures as might be con-
templated by Government to put a stop to those outrages.
—(War, hear.)-11e, therefore, not only hoped that the
strictest economy would prevail, but that that would also be
followed up by an inquiry into the state of the agricultural
population ; for he was sure that it was the want of ern-

hiyment alone that had disturbed the peace of the coup•
try. It was a question of importance, and worthy of
consideration, whether any meabure could be brought for-
ward to compel the landowners to give employment to the
labourers in the winter months. He believed such * ►uea-

sure to be roost necessary ; for at present, while there
were perhaps eight or ten ready in a parish to do justice to
the labourer, there were four or five others, iu consequence
of whose opposition and obstinacy, every plan fell to the
ground. He had suggested a measure last year under these
circumstances—une that he had intended to bring forward
when he thought it probable that he should have a seat in
the other House of Parliament, and it was his intention to
bring it forward in the course of the present Session ; and
he implored every one, individually and collectively, in
their respective counties to enter into au inquiry into the
state of the agricultural labourer.
The Marquis of CAMDEN would venture to assert,
that the distress in Kent at present was not to be compared
to what it had been last year. If this was the case, why
had they not had the outrages which were now complained
of, at the time when the people were said to be staring
during the last winter? Surely they must have sufferel
more in a severe winter, than in a genial autumn. The
fact was, that what the other side of the channel had sent
forth had done much to disturb the people throughout the
country,—(Hear, hear.)—From his heart he pitied the
deluded men who had engaged in the system of breaking
threshing machines, and other acts of outrage; but he
still conteudel, that if this arose from hardship and misery
the case was still more pressing last )ear, during the se-
vere winter. For this reason he attributed the outrages to
another cause. He did not mean to say that those who
executed them had conceived anything against the Consti-
tution of the country ; but, at all events, it was against
its peace and tranquillity. There was a system of poor
lairs acted on in some pieces which were well worth at-
tention, and though it could not have spread much in a
fortnight or three weeks, yet he was glad there was a feel-
ing afloat which induced farmers and country gentlemen to
li.ok into parochial business—a circumstance which, he was
sure, would be productive of great good ; and he was con-
fident that they might soon look, without any resolutions
being entered into tor the purpose, for a union ofaentiment
on this head which would greatly tend to relieve the dis-
tress of the country. With respect to the dreadful confla-
grations which had taken place, he should be very sorry
that they should have been conceived, or even executed by
any inhabitant of the county of Kent. The manner dm-
cuting them, however, showed that they had been under-
taken for the purposes of terror more than for anything
else, for all descriptions of property were consumed, not
confining the attack to a grinding landlord or a bard over-
seer. He felt perfectly satisfied that Parliament would
not lose ai moment in directing its best efforts to the alle-
viation of the evils which formed the origin of those ex-
cesses. He was perfectly assured, too, that the yeomanry
of that county were animated by the best spirit; they
bad offered their services, and he thought they ought to lie
taken advantage of. If any means could be devised, no
man would be found more anxious to aid in carrying them
into effect than himself.

The Duke of RICHMOND hoped there would be no
delay iu instituting an inquiry into the causes of the pre.
vulent distress amidst the labouring classes in this country;
it was absolutely necessary that there should be a free, fair,
and full inquiry instituted in a sincere and earnest man-
ner, and pure from any spirit of faction. He knew not
that it originated in distress ; but this be would say, that
last year, previous to his bringing forward a motion on
the subject, the table of their Lordships' House was loaded
with petitions from the suffering agr,cultural labourers;
and he had no difficulty in saying up to that time, and
even to the present moment, they bad been induced to
consider the superior classes Bat as their friends, but
rather as their foes. He knew that that was .a most er-
roneoui impression ; he knew that the upper classes, and
that House in particular, did sympathise with the suf.
ferings of the people at au times, and that if they re-
fused inquiry last. year, they did so from ignorance, and
not from any indifference to that which their humbler
neighbours and fellow countrymen were enduring; but
now to put off further inquiry would be criminal in.

deed. the people had spoken out, and in the county of
Kent they had spoken in a voice which was at once
alarniing to the country and disgraceful to theinselyeo.
lie bhould be the last man in the world to admit that any

distress could have justified the excesses which had been
committed in Kent ; and if they (the House of Lords) de-
sired to preserve their property, or maintain the peace of
the country, they would lose not a moment in taking Inca-
sures to repress violence and to relieve distress. He felt
no alarm respecting the ultimate cifety—that he consi-
dered as placed beyond all danger.
Earl DARN4Y thought it might be inferred from the

speech of the Noble Duke who hail
,just sat down, that he
thought the refusal of last year on their part to edopt his
motion was connected with the present discontents stubigat
the labouring classes. lle (Earl Darnley) trusted that no
such feeling was abroad. Much exaggeration unfortunately
pre%Ailed with respect to thaw distresses and discontent.,
and lie confessed he could not help deprecating such
exaggerations as tending to the worst possible result..
Though he admitted that the first duty of the Govern
rent was to put down the disturbances with a strong arm,
yet it would only be decorous in Parliament to institute
an immediate inquiry isito
,the musk a of those outrages,
unhappily but. too prevalent. lie had himself been
visited by those nocturnal incendiaries, but he could '
bear the fullest testimony to the fact that they did not in-
clude within their numbers any of tlso honest indus—
trious, labouring peasantry of the county of Kent. As it
affected hint very snarly, he hoped the Muse would per-
mit him to notice a statement which appeared in a local
newspaper, told had been ropitd into all the L.ondon. VAT
pets, how that statement was nut only onfouudedi but:
the direct reverse of the trutlit There was no expression.
of satisfaction on the part of any person during the injury
done to a 'me property of his, and he was perfectly satis•
fieil that no agricultural labourers were concerned in the
injury ; and so far from any person in his employment
appearing to rejoice in the occurrence, not only tliex, hut
pentium in the employment of his neighboure,„ remained
for hours up to their middles in water, endeavouring to
arrest the Owls of deetruction, and that too without
the immediate prospect .or reward. This he was enabled
to state upon the authority of his son and het steward

and he had himself the IstisfaetiAt' of paying sixty of
them for their trouble, end thanking them for the zeal
they had manifested. So much for the statement that the
men in his employment had looked on and enjoyed the
destruction of his property. He was the more anxious to
advert to this statement, as he expected that his contradic-
tion of it would now be accurately reported.
Esti GREY rove, and was loudly called for by several
Noble Lords, but he Rave way to

The Duke of LEINSTER, who said that he had just
arrived from the country, the present state of which bad
been made the subject of animadversion in the Speech
from the Throne. It must be well known to their Lord-
ships, that in that country the question of a repeal of the
Legislative Union had recently been agitated. Deeply at%
fected as he conceived that country would be by the agita-
tion of such a question, he lost no time. in calling a private
meeting of his friends, including some of the most intelli-
gent and influential men in Ireland He consulted with
those friends, and he found them perfectly unanimous in
the opinion, that at the present moment, and with the
means proposed, the repeal of the Act of Union would be
ruinous to Ireland ; but they were at the same time as
fully convinced, that unless the Government were prepared
with some measure for the employment of the poor—unless
something really efficacious were done, the question of the
repeal of the Union, though it had not yet much advanced,
would get so a-head, that it would be impossible to arrest
its progress, or to answer for its consequent*.
Earl GREY was again called fur, but once more gave
way to
Lord FARNHAM, who, after adverting to the delicacy
and importance of the circumstances under which Pattie-
meet had then assembled, proceeded to say that' he would
not enter into any details, or delay the House longer than
briefly to advert to one or two points. They were told in
his Majesty's Speech, that the Powers of Europe were pad-
Gaily disposed towards Great Britain. Someshorttime ago
they might have understood what this meant, but now no
one knew who the Powers of Europe were. The illustrious
Prince who now filed the Throne of France, and who
had been called to it by the voice of the people, might be
pacifically disposed towards Great Britain ; but he might
soon find himself in a situation when those dispositions
might be of no avail—when in his heart disapproving of
the measure, be might find himself compelled to wage hos-
tilities against this country. It was impossible to say with
whom we might be brought into collision. All Europe
was in arms, and should England alone leave her bosout
open. Then the question presented itself, could this
country afford to make preparations for carrying on a war
vigorously and with prospect of ultimate success? lie
had no doubt that if the energies and the resources of the
country were well directed, they would be found folly
adequate to any emergency that might arise. Upon the
management of those resources+, however, every thing
must depend ; the great obstacle to such preparation would
be foundin the condition of our finances. It was ad-
mitted on all hands that every epee-in of taxation had
reached its ultimution ; but in lus opinion the difficultio
of our financial situation arose less front the general
weight of the taxation than from its unequal pressure.—
The lauded interest, for example, was loaded to such an
extent as to be completely incapable of enduring any fur-
ther burdens. If, then, the land could endure no more,
where could the burdens be laid—on manufactures or
commerce? No; he would say upon the moneyed inte-
rest ; and by the moneyed interest he did not mean those
alone who had property in the funds, but all who could •
legitimately come within the meaning of the term. To
explain his meaning, suppose any man had an estate
worth 10,0001. a year, such was the unequal pressure
of the burdens affecting it, that if it were liable to
a mortgage, the interest of which amounted to
5,000/., the mortgagee would net his interest money,
while the owner of the estate would not clear above
2,000/ a year. They might rest perfectly assured
that a perseverance in old systems would never put
them in a state of warlike preparation—economy would
never meet the -difficulties with which they had to con-
tend. They. must relieve the land from the unequal pres-
sure of poor rates, tithes, and land tax, or they must
abandon all hope of seeing their finances placed upon a sure
and creditable footing. Ile must take the liberty of say-
ing that they were now tasting the bitter fruits of their
own conduct=-they yielded to clamour and intimidation—
. they made, concessions which no considerations should have
induced them to make, He bad last year told them what
the consequences of their measures would be, and results
hail justified his anticipations. lie agreed with the Noble
Duke that the question of the repeal of the Union had, as
yet, male no great progress in Ireland ; and he thought
that the most effectual means of preventing that progress
would lie to *hew the people of Ireland that the Imperial
Legislature was willing and able to redress their grievances.
The people of Ireland ought to have it practically demon-
strated to them, that the machinery of the British Legis-
lature was sufficient fur the redress of all their grievances.
It was tint to be denied that there existed in Ireland A strong
feeling against the present Alinistry, and that feeling, he
regretted .to say, was chiefly to be found atnenget those
whom he would designate as the best friends of the British
connection. Though he opposed the measure of the
Union when be held a seat in the Lower House of the
Irish Legislature--though he was fully aware of the nefa.
rious Means used for the attainment of that measure—yet
he had not the slightest hesit ition in asserting. that at the
present moment, and with the means now in use, or any
that could be resorted to—tile dissolution of the Union
would be nothing less titan a dismemberment of the em-
pire ), he therefore viewed with great regret anything that
wore the appearance of indifference to Irish affairs, inte.
rest, or feelings.

Earl GREY--I feel great satisfaction now that I gave
havewi4y t.
ha
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have pt
and eroenceeldwerdenincee, nil:l%lf
fell from the Noble Duke behind me ; and I heard also,
with similar feelings, a considerable portion of what was
delivered by the Noble Lord, who followed him, though
differing fruits that Noble Lord in a great many of those
observations which he made while addressing himself to
the more extended and general question, which the Speech
from the "Throne has raised for the consideration of youe
Lordships and the other branch of the Lei;isleture. .I en-
tirely agree with the Noble Lord who spoke last, that for
centuries Parliament has not been called on to deliberate
reepectin4 matters of greater importance, or perhaps of
danger, than now present themselves. They are eirourn-
state:es which will demand at our bends all the caution—
all the wisdom—all the fortitude th it we can possibly
exercise. But I have, et the same tinter a full confidence
that, with the stedlast and honest application of tbelquali-
as which hare belonged to the English nation and Legis-
lature, those dangers will disappear, and those questions
which all men must feel to be of the deepest importance,
will be decided in a manner becoming their mementoes
character, and calculated to avert the dangers by which
we are surrounded. I have, .1 repeat it, the fullest confi-
dence in the good sense, the !immersible feeling, and the
unabated loyalty of the people"of England. I have no
doubt, that if both Houses are forced to do their dutyi
there will he nothing to fear for the safety, honour, and
happiness of the British nation, Had I risen earlier, I
perhaps should not have said even so much as may he cam-
prised within the few brief obeervations which I propose
to address to the House, and which I Wend to conneence,
by adverting, in the first place, to that topic which I eon-
ceive to ihe of the very first imeurtanee—l tuesu the state
of Ireland. I have nu hesitation whatever in adopting,
with reference to that condition, thelaugusge which your
Lurdships have this day heard from the Throne. Ido
partake most fully in those feelings of " grief and indig-
mition" expressed by our most gracious Monarch io reit e•
ence to there measures which have been ielepteei in another
part of the Empire, for the treirio se of alienating the af-
lotions oft) Iv:woad loyal people in a mintier that must
14,41 pn the separation of the two countries, and filially to
the certain destruction of both. Concurring, 'my Lork
most fully in those sentiments, I need uot, I trial odd.
that I shall most cordially, as fir as My humble teasers
admit, lend my ipesiistenee to any proceedings which his
elekrity‘t MMietere may find it necessary to adopt, con-
*intent with the spirit of time sentiments just expressed
from the Thronei_and in conformity with the finithone;los
principles of the Laws and Constitution of %he tieuntry.
uteke this quelification, hteau‘e, vpon the Speech, as it
stands, I would siesiee to rest, the more especially as I find
in it no afiosion to any new laws. I think that laws as
they steed ought to be put in force, and I am deeply- iAI,I-
- with the onvietion thut they will, if enetgeficallY
executed, be found abundantly eufficient to meet the Fee
vent eligeßCY-etta'aceoutplish the proper and effectual
jpe,eielmieut of those who would divert the subject from his
allegiance, and
,to teeminate those animosities and in ;stake*
views of the true interests of that country from which

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those disturbances take their rise. Regarding, then, the
intentions of his Majesty's Government, as I find them
this (lay developed in the Speech from the Throne, I con-
fess I look with great confidence to the course to be fol-
lowed by the Noble Duke behind the ; I look also with
great confidence to the exercise of that sense and discretion
which I trust will not be wanting in the sound and influen-
tial portion of the peopie of Ireland; and I sincerely re-
joice that that Noble Duke, taking the lead which natura'ly
belonged to his great name, and availing himself of the
ascendancy which attaches to his station in that country,
has put himself at the head of that part of the population
of Ireland in which the greatest influence and the soundest
judgment may be expected to reside. I rejoice that the
Noble Duke has put himself at the bead of those who have
resolved to stem the torrent which, if not energetically and
decisively resisted, will lead to the destruction of all that
man in a social state could diem worth contending for. I
would therefore entreat and exhort the Noble Duke to
place himself at the head of the sound part of the com-
munity, and save the country from those fearful calamities
with which others who sought to divert the people from
their allegiance would inevitably superinduce. But in
order to save the country, what is to be done must be done
quickly and decisively. In saying all this, however, my
Lords, I find it impossible to agree with the Noble Lord
who spoke kit, that circumstances which have recently
occurred go at all to fulfil hie prophecy *OW fifiliCtits
can never agree with him or with any man that the
great and healing measure of last Session could have been
productive of any such effect.. That measure was one to
which I have ever given my most cordial and devoted sup-
port through good report and evil—for the advancement
of that measure I made sacrifices of which it does not now
become toe to speak, for I made them willingly; and
I will not now sit still and hear it said that it could
have led to results which every man in the country and
coon), lover of the human race must deplore. No, my
Lords, the fault, with respect to that measure, was not in
the concessions which were made, but in the delay which
took place; that which, done early, would have been bene-
ficial, done late lost no small portion of its value—conces-
sion was delayed till a system of agit.tion was established
capable of being applied to the basest and the worst of
purposes—concession was nut made on principles of right
or justice, or policy, but confessedly to fear and necessity.
—(Loud cheers. )—Let it not be supplied t het I am blam-
ing those by whom the concessions were made—far from
it. Ido not blame them for giving way, at least Ido not
blame them for at length producing that measure them-
selves which it was the whole business of their previous life
to resist. In the circumstances in which they found
themselves placed, the course they adopted was the evident
dictate of sound policy and wisdom—when they saw the
danger approaching, they did what then lay in their
power to obviate its possible effect*. I heard with feelings
which I shall never forget, the Noble Duke opposite, when
speaking of the horrors of civil war, say, that he was
willing to die to save his country from such a calamity.
It was a deel oration dictated alike by feelings of humanity
and of trait! wisdom. Fur reasons, then, my Lords, which
these observations naturally suggest, the views I took of
that great and healing measure remain unchanged ; and to
the opinion which I then entertained respecting it, I have
now to add, that I am persuaded the degree in which it
may have contributed to the present diecontents in Ireland
is solely to be ascribed, not:to the adoption, but to the de.
lay of that measure. We are new to deal with a now state of
things as we find them ; we are to direct our energies to
the suppression of that system of agitation as applied to the
question of the Union, by which the former question, I
am willing to admit, was, in a great measure, advanced
—that which we might have borne with as the means of
promoting a great and legitimate object, we are called
upon to resist when directed to opposite purposes. I he.
state not to affirm that we are bound to support and pro.
mote the efforts of those who think that to disgulve the
Union amounts to nothing less than to dieselve the
connection between this country and Ireland. I opposed
the measure of the Union at the time it was first discussed
here, on general policy. I opposed it also on grounds to
which the Noble Lord who spoke last has advorted—
namely, because of the foul means which were adopted
for the purpeve of carrying that measure into effect. They
were meals which) would protium any opposition to
any measure. But there were never worse means re-
sorted to for carrying that measure than the corruption to
which lam alluding. Inducements were held out both to
Protestants and Catholics, involving opposite representa-
tions and statements—they are means which reflect this
deepest disgrace upon those with whom they osininated,
and which to remotest posterity will blacken the memory
of its authors. The Protestants were told, that if that
measure were once passed, it would afford the best secu-
rity to them against the Catholics ; and the Catholics
were told, that if they agreed to it, and gave their visit,
tance to forward its accomplishment, their cleinnt would
he considered by a free Parliament, unfettered by any re.
strictiona hostile to their just demeuthe Thus were
both parties deceived that that measure might he carried
into effect—the Cathonos were deceived, and continued in
the condition in which they were then left, Mail 4 degree
of irritation allowed itself, that could no longer be trifled
with, and till concession became the only remedy, I,Vuuld
to God that the warning voices of those who Mt now no
more had been listened to ; what QYil2 might have been
prevented—what dangers might have been averted....what
collisions of lioatile parties might have been avoided—who
strenuous and ardent efforts might have been comidned in
Cordial unity, to extend and consolidate tho true interests
and happinese of the United Kingdem.,...(Cheers.)—But
regrets of this nature need now no longer be indulged I
the present moment demands some decisive and enecjetio
measures, as reapetas many relations in which we enuel ;
but I reknit* at being able to say that 1, ettneeir with his
Majesty's Ministers, that an execution of existing laws is
all that Ireland requires in the nature of restraint. 1
have, therefore, nothing to object to that part of the
Address which teietes to Ireland; fully sympathisingas
I do in the grief and indignation which hie Majesty
has thought proper to expels; and I the mote readily
concur in that part of the Address, irons a petiole-
(lion that his Maje-ty's Minietara are nor, and cannot
be, indifferent to the state of Ire'and ; and I trust
that Parliament will soon receive front them proofs
that tl eo are not inattentive to the coodition of that
country. Once more, in reeutrina to the great and heal-
lug mewure of the Session laefoee the hot, I beg to repeat
that I was never of the umber of those who augured hem
it complete and immeilkate Success -- there was much to he
stone in every department of society in that country-..there
was much to be done to allay the spirit of discoetent which
everywhere prevailvd—tutteh to be done to remedy the
dimes of the Goverrament of Ireland..-,buses retidlervtl in.
vetetate by inag duration. The great ineasersi, however,
lets been passed, and it now remains ha Parliament to
follow it up in a manner weiteldo to such a commencement,
by what I would recommend to the immediate emotion
of the House-eenicasures of internal retie'.. at
worthy of the policy which opened the Constitution to
Githotieg—measurescalculated to remove the distractions
of the people, and to give sworn to u weak Govetninent.
Having now made the few remarks which I intended to
address to the Haase respecting Ireland, I shall direct my
attention to the condition of the empire, but more espe-
cially, in the first instance, to the distresses of, the people,
and to the disturbances to which Noble Lord, have aNded.
I shall begin by admitting, that I believe diatress does exist
to a considerable extent ; and I eoneur as heartily as any
roan can, that Parliament should immediately institute en
inquilr into the (muses of that distress, and willow
delay adopt such measures us the necessity of the ow may
demand. When I first read in the ties impre the ewe-
ment to which a Noble Earl bet,iaid tee has adverted, I
hesitated not a moment em prosiouticing tatty di.heliee of it,:
I could not 1)0;4:we that the peweantry of Kent were ikf.
!sores 'hy so gad a soil it, and least of all did. I ledleane, tint
that Noble Earl could hove been made the tiobleot Of boa-
tile feeling* by those whom he enynye4,, and Who sur-
rounded him as neighbowe, lilowever, we have now
the etatemeet of the .1..x0t,k haul himself, which will now
go out lit 1.1.1.V4 Surill as to preclude the continueriee
ri. ri4 eubject, i cannot pass front thiA wit of the
*object without etpressing my full cool(! that Perlias,
ma is etill direct its heat (front to, (Met y the evils which
have led to this species of ilittuthincethough the people
of that county too liven driven to commit excesses, I trust
that Weir spirit is yet sound, that they ban Vngilah
hearts in their bosoms, and that when they lecoonie eutiai
fled that the 'Legislature is torainuOy vng4g,tl its devising
means for their relief, thex way be restored to a venue ei
what they 00,1! SO • themselves and to society, i fully
cow lo the recommendation of the NoWe Lord—ea re.
oommendstion in perfait fteoordance with hill bus.
mane feelings and his WO cOstrage, that our Olt duty