The Sun.
London, England, 1863-06-16 00:00:00

JAPAN.

Mr. LIDDELL asked the Under Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs what was the precise nature of the demands
made by her Majesty's Government upon the Government
of japan, in the shape of reparation for outrages committed
upon British subjects in that country; and, whether theme
would be any objection to state what instructions had been
sent to the British admiral 'on the station as to the steps
to be taken in the event of the Tycoon's refusal to comply
with those demands.

'Mr. LAYARD replied that some months ago a muv.
derous attack etas made on a British subject riding on a
public road, open by treaty to British residents. A Mr.
Richardson was killed, two other genetlemen were seriously
wounded, and a lady narrowly escaped, almost by a
miracle, with her life. An apology had been de-
manded, and the payment of £lOO,OOO as a penalty.
(Hear, hear, hear.) It appeared that the parties who
committed the outrage consisted of a band of persons with
whom were ass3ciated a native, prince and his father. A
demand had been made that the guilty parties should be
tried, and if found guilty, executed. (Hear.) L25,0e0 had
also been demanded 'for the family of th 6 vie-1151s of this
outrageous assault. In June last year two marines were
murdered, who were guarding the Britibh legation, and
£lO,OOO had been demanded for their families. He did not
know whether the Government of Japan had power
to carry out the proposals, but probably the next mail would
bring definite intelligence.
NEW WRIT—LISBURN.

On the motion of Colonel TAYLOR, a new writ was ordered
to be issued.

THE PURCHASE OF THE GREAT INTERNA-

TIONAL EXHIBITION.

Lord PALMERSTON appealed to the hon. member for
Tipperary to postpone his motion, so that the discussion
on the proposed vote might not be delayed. The hon. and
learned member for King's county had put off his motion to
that day week.

The O'DONOGHUE said, after the way the noble lord
had treated the question of the Irish Church, he really did
not feel disposed to give way if he had his motion on the
forpaper T this evening, which was a mistake of the noble

and for additions and alterations. He thought London
might most justly be styled the commercial capital
of the world, and hence ranked high among the
commercial centres of the world, its great size
and the crowding of its buildings tended greatly to impair
its architectural beauties. The streets were narrow and its
open places few and small. Its public buildings were not
many, and differences of opinion prevailed Wr to their
architectural claims to adue Mlon. They had- #' few of
thost.palaces belonging XindiTiduala who were to be found
in many _:.the small towns of the continent. There were,
it was true, Noriclumberland and Landsdowne houses, and
the beautiful club houses in Pall-mall. The noble lord
cited the cost of land in London and in each of the large
towns, and contended that the land would be sold to the
country at a great bargain—namely, £6,000 per acre,
whereas, if sold at this moment for building purposes, it
would realise not less than £15,000 per acre. (Hear,
hear.) The noble lord contrasted the:great cost of buy-
ing the land in town for the proposed extension of
the British Museum, with the small price of the
much larger quantity at Kensington. It was proposed to
take the Patent Museum and the National Portrait Gallery
to this Exhibition. The 17 acres would cost
£120,000, the building £BO,OOO, and the entire altera-
tion . £284,000 -- making a total of , £1,841,000;
but it was only proposed to ask for £17,000 in 1863 and
1864, namely, £67,000 for ;land, £BO,OOO for the building,
and £25,000 for the repairs and extensions. A dome was a
very handsome thing. (Laughter.) Every one admired
the domes of St. Paul's and St. Peter's. The present
domes would be constructed more solidly after the
style -of the generally admired dome of the British Mu-
sewn. The Government did not propose to remove the
National Gallery; that, as yet, was a moot question.
The noble lord calculated that the nation would be greatly
advantaged by the purchase, and concluded by placing the
first resolution in the hands of Mr. Massey—namely,
£67,000 for the purchase of the land in the present and next
year.

Mr. GREGORY rose to oppose the bill. He objected to
the removal of the collections to so great a distance, and
the drawing all our institutions into one focus. He con
leprned the bargain it strong languageecontending that the
estimates of the Government were fallacious, and.-upon the
faith of counter-estimates, that the supposed cheap bargain
would involve the country in enormous expense. Why did
not the Commissioners, he asked, give up all the land ?
Because they had involved themselves, or rather the public
money, itt a private undertaking, the Horfirultu G 1
ra.
lie &eked fur wore information, for plans and specifications,
before the house committed itself to the proposal,. and im-
ploring the house not to make this purchase, he moved the
rejection of the vote.

th!lerx.plireEsiNunNdEereSStaYndisntated that he had given way on
twat), of brill__ _ g that he should have an oppor-
spldectr.to°hBll3B(3lltioßri—son iih.ade subject of Poland this day week.
he was a miserable dupe with re•
the impression that he 'alter) —for
he
bad
should have Friday appeared had -been ddeLordpedto. another hon. member. •
put it off under
week, which it
The subject then
In reply to Sir H. ,
The CHANCELLOR of the LC replied
that the commissioners held the 12 aerliesßQf 13lanEdLfree-
and
intact at South Kensington. The lend; t £177,500.
When the partnership between the'cormaissioners ar
Government ceased, this money advanced by the Govdern
ment was repaid—Ll2o,ooo in cash and £61,000 in bLd.
On the motion of Lord PALMERSTON, the house then
went into committee.
Lard PALMERSTON then brought forward the pro.
posed estimate for the purchase of the land and building,

_ lessity of providing for the wants of the country ; and he
n.esioved that these wants could be more cheaply provided
heve.lY purchasing the land at Kensington than by the
fc by me of his hon. friend, which was presented to them
acme' the name of economy. (Cheers.)
urer t J. PAKINGTON (who rose amid loud cries of

r fide,'' and calls for " Osborne") said he would not
"loin the committee long, but he did not wish the corn-
detive should come to a vote of this kind under a misappre-
mitoion. What he desired to know was whether, under
hendrst vote for lands and buildings, the Exhibition buill-
theawas included. (Cries of "Divide,")
ingvhe CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
10 many points which of course had not been answered,
we] • with regard to the buildings mentioned they were
butlfly some refreshment-rooms which had been established
chid year, and which overlooked the Horticultural. Gardens.
lastjthought the best thing to do was to treat the building
anon-existent-4a laugh)--and take the land at the price
as z..; upon it by the commissioners,
pt4Mr. AYRTON said the document on the table did not

rate that they were to buy the land pure and simple, but
skr the purpose of devoting it to science and art. (Hear,
fear. )

hiThe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
It the land was not to be purchased with the view to put
tlattp for sale the day following; but for the purpose of
ii upropriating it to such objects in connection with science
wpr art as Parliament might think fit.

aid Jord ELCHO (who rose amid loud and general cries
Divide") said that the object he had in putting his
"I:2ondment was to enable the committee to come to a
ancision upon the question of the land independent of the
(bending. He would impress upon the committee the im-
htirtance of not letting the present oppoitunity pass.
po' Divide.") The question was not lightly to be dealt
(lith. For many years they had been in a state of
whronic congestion, and he trusted the near approach
the dinner-hour would not induce hon. members to
oreat this case lightly. (Cries of " Divide.") The noble
tlord concluded by moving the chairman report progress.
1, The CHAIRMAN having put the question,
Viscount PALMERSTON said he hoped they would
take progress before they reported progress. (A laugh.)
met them make up their minds to do something. He hoped
Lie committee would not agree to the motion ; there would
th 3 no objection when they came to the next vote, if the
b(ouse wished for further information, to postpone it ; but
hq them now decide upon the first vote. (Cheers.)
Mr. OSBORNE said it would require the tongue of De-
' osthenes, and the ability of the noble lord, to deal with the
mtestion, on account of the slovenly way it was brought bo-
qtre them. The noble lord had himself so mixed up the
f°iestion of the land and the large shed together, that it be-
'Pone impossible for any gentleman to discuss the question
capon one point without the other. He had been much struck
ulith the speech of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, for he
swad given the go-by to Capt. Fowke's enormities. (Laugh-
ter and cheers.) The hon. member then entered into some
criticisms upon portions of the estimates and the plans for
che new museums and galleries in connection with science
tnd art ; and concluded by saying that the words might be
applied to the present vote which had once been addressed
';o the statue of Liberty :—" 0 Art, what atrocities have
een committed in thy name 1"
,b Sir H. WILLOUGHBY (whose rising called forth a
3ry tempest of derisive laughter) said he rose merely upon
v point of form. (Renewed laughter.) He wished to ask if
am chairman had observed the irregular course of proceed-
.lg in the manner the present estimates were laid upon the
able.
t Mr. MASSEY replied that the manner in which her Ma-
„isty's Government had submitted the present estimates was
)3gular in point of form. (Cheers.)
r The motion for reporting progress was then negatived,
and the committee divided upon the first vote of £67,000.
Fur the vote
Against it
Majority —l32

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mud before
'going to a division there were one or two points in the hon.
gentleman's speech to which he wished to refer. He thought
it a very great error to apply the terms "falsehood and job-
bery" to acts of gentlemen whose private reputation stood
ihigh before the public, and was of more value to them than
any sum of money they were likely to get for their ser-
:vices. He appealed to the house to defend the characters of
i • •
!gentlemen who , had no means of defending themselves
from that indiscriminate censure. The hon. gentleman
; spoke of his (Mr. Gladstone's) having proposed to purchase
'the building for £700,000.' He had made no such proposal.
The proposal was to purchase five acres of land for about
£50,000, and the maximum for building was about £400,000
to £450,000. The truth was they were always met by the
hon. gentleman and his, friends at every step with the sug-
gestion that they were making some scarcely honest state- ,
ment to the house, which was afterwards to be doubled or
trebled. They must, however, go on as they had done, and
present estimates they knew could be relied upon, or they
must go upon a very loose system of making doubtful esti-
mates. As for there being £130,000 already in existence Jheers.)
and available for a Patent Office, or rather a Patent Mu- ' Lord PALMERSTON then postponed the consideration
seam, he knew of no such sum, and hoped the bon. gentle- .! the next vote to Thursday week. (Cries of "No, no.")
man was prepared to guarantee his statement. The Govern- ° Mr. MALINS said the committee were prepared to go
ment had the highest opinion of Mr. Hunt's estimates, and n with the next vote.
intended to abide by them. With respect to the number of c Mr. OSBORNE protested against what had been said by
visitors at South Kensington, and its general success, the le hon. and learned gentleman. Let the question be post-
number of visitors to the British Museum in 1862 was toned.
895,000, and to the South Kensington Museum 1,241,000. p While the house was in a state of excitement and uncer-
(" Go back.") In 1860 the numbers were, to the South
eeinty the Chairman said the next vote was £853 to com-
Kensington, 604,000, and to the British Museum 641,000; 'cafe the salaries of commissioners of education in Ireland.
but at that time the South Kensington Museum was a coin- P The vote was agreed to ; but
paratively new institution. His honourable friend put
the case before the committee as one of economy, and Mr. O'REILLY protested against a vote being put at a
me when the noise of the house as so great that it could
said that a slight extension of the British Museum was t w
of be heard.
all that was wanted. But, in support of this n Mr. WALPOLE, in order to convenience the hon. mem-
view, his honourable friend brought forward an or for the Tower Hamlets, postponed the statement on the
irresponsible opinion against the opinion of those whose
e's te relating to the British Museum till Thursday week.
duty it was, at the express desire of the Government, to
v The sum of £3,500 for the London University was agreed to.
make a responsible examination of the question. His hon. The sum of £1,559 for the Scotch Universities was agreed to.
friend said they were going to adopt the monstrous scheme On the vote of £1,396 for the Queen's University, Ireland,
of Professor Owen. They were not proceeding upon the Mr. V. SCULLY declared that the authors of the system
monstrous scheme of Professor Owen ; nor upon his re-
0 mixed education in Ireland were influenced by a spirit of
duced estimate of five acres instead of eight as originally ;)selytism. The noble lord at the head of the Government
Premed to open the Botanical Gardens in Edinburgh on the
proposed—but, by taking three acres for the accommoda-,
silulay, although his personal opinions were in favour of
lion of the natural history collections, the Government fully
believed that by the scheme now before the committee a
flukes which were so powerful in Scotland • but he could
theproposal, because he knew how to yield to the bigoted in-
saving of £300,000 or £400,000 would be effected. Was he
•ee weaerstand his hon. friend as saying that a space of three . . . , did .. h
~ _arno concession to popular feeling in Ireland, nor ihe
fi Pr PCI IVIAJ a., ;prat-inn.] •-‘.. ~...-....n+.,..‘,.. -,-,,, ...... ~ nn "km..
km' how to • •
dation of the natural history of this country ? If his
~‘ 7 conciliate the support of the Irish members.
hon.m friend did not admit this, the ground was completely 4. P. DAWSON defied the hon. and learned gentleman
cut from his feet; for when his noble friend said they were to
e Pint to a single case of proselytism which had resulted
purchasing for half a million what could not be got else- treinthe establishment of the Queen's Colleges.
where for a million, that proposition included the parches- Tie O'CONOR, DON said if they did not lead to prosely-
ing of three acres for the natural history collection. He had tism they led to indifferentism.
got before him an illustration of what would be required Nor O'REILLY pointed out that the system of educa-
tor the purpose of natural history. He presumed that Lon- tienestablished in Ireland was founded upon a directly op-
don and England would require as much space for the purl. Pao principle :o that established in England.
pose as Massachusetts. Well. taking that to be so, let hire M., F. POWALL thought the time had come when the
state a few facts. The people of Massachusetts had built in EjYstell of educadon'in. Ireland should be tested as in Eng-
the neighbourhood of Boston, United States, a museum for land, 3y results. •
their natural history collection. The building consisted off Afer some observations from Mr. BLAKE and Mr.
three stories, and covered two acres, which would be equal HENgEssy,
in space to a building of two stories covering three acre,. Si R. PEEL defended the vote, and urged that a mixed
That:institution of Massachusetts had been only open. two edTation had been established in Ireland by Act of Parlia-
years, and he would quote from a letter of Professor Agas writ, and he could not of his own motion change it.
siz, whose name was better known to fame than that men- The vote was agreed to.
tioned by his hon. friend, to show that, so far from such an On the vote of £3,800 for the Queen's College, Ireland,
extent of accommodation being irrational or monstrous, it Mr. V. SCULLY moved that the vote be reduced by
was quite inadequate. In this letter Professor Agassiz, in 31,800.
speaking of a building which had been only two years. After some discussion, the amendment was negatived
opened, says—" Our building is overflowing. It will be ne-
and the vote agreed to.
cessary for us to extend our structure within the next two A vote of £5OO for expenses connected with the National
years in order not to check our progress." Under these cire tallery of Ireland was agreed to.
cumstances, what were they to do ? Were they to purchase five Upon the vote of £1,500 for salaries of theological pro-
acres near the British Museum for the purpose of obtaining issors in the College of Belfast,
Mr, HADFIEL D moved the reduction of the vote by
additional accommodation, and expend £400,000 or £500,000
upon the scheme, and a seheme, too, that would render ne- 1e.,050.
ceseary the opening of a new street into Holborn ? And After some discussion, the committee divided.
yet this was the plan which his hon. friend had not only the For the reduction of the vote .. 25
courage, but also the conviction that he was holding out to Against it
the committee a purpose of economy. (Hear.) The wants Majority —7o
of the public had been stated by his noble friend ; but be-
The vote was then agreed to.
fore he sat down he would notice one or two points. His The CHAIRMAN said the question was, that he was
hon. friend said the estimates were fallacious ; all he could low to report the resolutions to the house.
say was that they were prepared with greater awe than Mr. CONINGHAM hoped the Chairman would not to
those which had been placed on the other side. Was it an •co, but.weuld proceed to the vote on the National Gallery,
exaggerated estimate to build a National Patent Museum for which he had been waiting all the evening.
for £lOO,OOO, or a National Portrait Gallery for £25,000 ? i Other hon. members having concurred in the views of
They were anxious to avoid all exaggeration, and therefore
,Mr.
Coningham.
they only put down what they believed would be the pea ; The CHAIRMAN again put the question.
bable maximum cost, and the vote proposed now was framed ,J No member of the Government having risen, a division
in accordance with that vote ; and his noble friend had
was taken on the motion that the Chairman report the ire-
shown that if they were to take the estimate of responsible' solutions.
instead of irresponsible persons, there would be a saving of
£300,000 or £400,000. (Cheers.) With regard to the self. For reporting the resolutions
.... - -
dity of the building, that was a technical point upon which Against 20
he would not detain the committee. (Ironical cheers and Majority. —BB,
resumes'
It would be quite impossible for him to give; The Chairman then left the chair, and the house resume
an adequate explanation upon the point, and he preferred SUPPLY.
Mr. MASSEY brought up the supply.
to take the opinions of the responsible persons the Govern-
, On the resolution relating to education,
went had consulted. (Hear, hear) But there was a do. Sir S. NORTHCOTE called attention to the mime' in
current in existence, signed by two gentlemen of repute, which school managers were likely to be affected by tie re-
tion, Mr. Baker and Mr. Wm. Fairbairn Speaking of the vised code, and entered into the history of the comp:ondse
solidity of the building as constructed for the purposes oft which the Government made with the .house, oontrasteig
last year—(hear and laughter)—not entering into the qu,eB"-"the former position of authool managers with that they !ov
ton of the durability of the flooring or the roof—(laughter) held. He complained that a new code of instructions had
—but with respect to the walls and ' the general solidity of been sent to the various inspectors all over the country,
the building, the effect of the document was that the build-1 which appeared to depart from the terms of the agreement
ing had been subjected to the severest testing, and thatl made between the Government and that house.
it had proved upon all points to be more than equal to Sir J. PAKINGTON complained that while it had beei
any trial of solidity that it could be called on to bear. lid down by the 136th article of the code that grants would
(Hear.) The question was, whether they were to give.
,e made to endowed schools where the endowment did not
£BO,OOO for the building at South Kensington Museum,and ,e 't 30s
all the Government had to do was to show that this was a AI per scholar per annum, a minute was issued n
y last that in no case of endowed schools could grantsbe
wise and profitable arrangement for the public. But that ni'le.
was not the question now before the committee. (Hear, .fter a few words from Mr. W. E. FORSTER and Bin
hear.) The real question before the committee had been Pt,.„,
entirely blinked by his hon. friend. His hon. friend had Ir. LOWE denied that there had been any departure
not said a word about that question. His hon. friend had fro
1 the arrangement of last year. The article to which
entirely blinked and evaded the practical question, whether thtright hon. baronet referred was also in the old code, and
it was necessary for the Government, in the interest of the WO not exempt from revision. The agreement of last year
public, to endeavour t Minister possession of the 17 acres at WO in regard of certain specified articles, and from these
South Kensington. (ial cheers.) He believed the th'e had been no departure. In conclusion, the right hon.
Patent Museum at Washington covered a space of 11 acres. gelleman complained of the number of hypothetical ques-
(Great laughter.) Well, he got the fact that 8 acres of tioi
I relative to the interpretation of the Minutes of Council
ground would be necessary for a National Patent Museum whh had been put to him, and announced that he would
and a National Portrait Gallery. He would take his stand slice.
er no more of them.
only upon these two cases, which had been established upon e: W. MILES was perfectly astonished at the answer of
data which could not be shaken; and he would ask his hon. the
ight hon.
friend, as the worshipper of economy, if he was prepared to whh it displaygeer.l
pay £400,000 fo
ur 8 acres of ground for these two national IN: HENLEY believed the country would hear the
and important pposes, when they could get 8 acres of land slat.i eman, and the spirit of non-endurance
nent of the right hon. gentleman with the deepest
for £120,000 at South Kensington, with the buildings upon aai
If this new code was to go for nothing, and be
it. (Cheers.) That was the issue the committee had to alts`'
td when the Government pleased, the mistrust at pre-
decide, and he did not think, however sincere might be the se;
xiding would greatly pidly increase. (Hear.)
professions of economy on the part of his hon. friend, that
es.-: resolution was then tid
edagreto.
he would persuade the committee that it was economical to 0
_the resolution of £82,826 for science and art,
refuse to purchase land upon the cheap terms they were DI
ra ,i A. SMITH called attention to the increasing cha-
getting it at South Kensington. There was considerable
a CE
,at, of the vote. He complained that no satisfactory ex-
responsibility attaching to members of that house, For
long time it had been observed that every possible evil, Pieldraon was given on a former night, and he moved the
.0 non of the vote by £lO,OOO. He reftrred particularly
vacillation, uncertainty, delay, expense, and many._ sum charged for the offices connected with the Ken-
had attended the majority of their public buildings. (Cheers.) BM
fel Museum.
The committee had in this instance a statement laid before
,„...e. C. BENTINCK seconded the motion. Ito was at a
them prepared by parties appointed by the Government ...',o understand why the Government declined to give
LOWE explained that the increased
t° ermine into the case, and they had, on the other hand,
any
forination on the b* t su
that
.
others, t tj
a statement of high colour made by persons under a total hi
misa expenditurewas
misapprehension of the peculiar aspects of the case. The for
Pro Position had been carefully considered, and also the at S
lithe accommodation
of the dences for different officers
.th Kensington. The officers had not got into pose

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THE SUN, LON.D(tk

session, but when they were in occupation a deduction would
be made from their salaries equivalent to the rent.
The committee divided. The numbers were—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority . . —l2B
The resolution was then agreed to.
THE VOLUNTEERS BILL.
Upon the order for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. COX presented several petitions from volunteer corps
praying for a revision of the 21st clause, which gave the
power of summary dismissal to commanding officers.
Sir R. CLIFTON presented several petitions to the same
effect from various corps.
Mr. HENNESSY moved that the bill be recommitted,
for the purpose of striking out the 20th clause, and insert-
ing another, making it lawful for the commanding officer
to suspend a volunteer from duty for three months, or to
assemble a court of inquiry, composed of himself and six
members of the corps, a majority of whom might order
the volunteer to be suspended or to have his name
struck off the muster roll. With regard to the clause he
had alluded to, he had reasons for venturing to say that
the volunteer body objected to it. The hon. gentleman pro-
duced a very large bundle of letters he had received from
volunteers in different parts of the country, and another
bundle from commanding officers, all complaining of the
operation of that clause of the bill. The hon. gentleman
also quoted the evidence of the Inspector-General of Volun-
teers, to the effect that the power of summary dismissal
ought not to be in the hands of an officer. If that bill were
passed, he believed the effect of it would be to destroy the
volunteer body altogether, and thus render an increase in
the income tax necessary. The power was not only con-
trary to the common law of the country, but to the War
Office regulations.
Colonel FANE said he knew there was but one feeling
throughout the county of Oxford, which was in opposition
to the bill as it at present stood.
Col. DUNNE said the power of dismissal existed already
in the militia corps.
Col. SYKES said he was of opinion that the power should
be retained ; but, to guard against abuse, he would suggest
that whenever a man was dismissed ho should have his name
entered in a book, and the causes of his dismissal.
Mr. W. E. FORSTER said the clause appeared to him
to be compulsory; in the present War Office regulations it
was permissive, and found to work very well. There was
such a thing as a court-martial in the army and militia,
but, from the constitution of the volunteer force, such a
court would be entirely inadmissable. If they did not allow
the bill to pass in its present shape, but adopted a clause
appointing a compulsory committee of inquiry, then he
should say that, in fairness, they ought to relieve com-
manding officers of all responsibility with regard to the
discipline of their men, and make the committee respon-
sible. The great majority of the volunteer force were satis-
fied with the provisions of the bill, and they were not likely
to be led away by allegations about arbitrary rule. (Cheers.)
Mr. COX said he differed from the hon. member who
spoke last, and begged to express his thanks to the hon.
member for King's County for bringing forward this
amendment. All that he and those who thought with him
asked for the volunteer was the same measure of justice
which was granted to every man in the army and militia.
He would assure the noble lord at the head of the Govern-
ment, and the noble lord the Under-Secretary for War.
that before long such a crowd of petitions would come in as
would show that either this clause must be given up or
there would be an end of the volunteer movement. The
hon. member then entered into an explanation with regard
to the deductions he had drawn from the evidence of Lord
Ranelagh before the commission. He thought the infer-
ence which he had drawn was a just one, but as the noble
lord bad written to state that his interpretation was not cor-
rect, he begged to withdraw the observations he had made.
At the same time it was queer that men should give their
evidence in such a way that deductions such as he had
made could be drawn from it. (Oh, oh.)
Mr. 0. GORE said there was not one tittle in the evi-
dence of Lord Ranelagh from which the hon. member could
draw his deductions, and he was sorry to find an hon, mem-
ber sheltering himself under the shield of his privileges as
a member of Parliament to make scandalous and unfounded
charges against the noble lord.
Sir R. CLIFTON rose to order, and moved that the
words be taken down.
The SPEAKER said he should have risen himself to
say that after the observations made by the hon. member
for Finsbury, the words used by the hon. member
were not in accordance with the rules of debate ; and he
was sure a little reflection would show him that.
Mr. 0. GORE said he was sorry if he said anything dis-
respectful to the house in general. At the same time he
thought when a man was not there to defend himself there
should be better grounds for the allegations that were made.
(Hear, hear.)
The SPEAKER hoped the expression of regret on the
part of the hon. member would be satisfactory to the house.
Mr. CONINGHAM thought the hon. member for Brad-
ford had endeavoured to explain away a matter that was
very arbitrary.
Mr. S. FITZGERALD asked the house if they had ever
heard a more scant, he would almost say so ungenerous an
expression of regret—(hear, hear)—as that which had fallen
from the hon. member for Finsbury—(hear, hear)—a charge
similar to that made by the hon. gentleman.
Mr. COX—I beg your pardon—l made no charge.
(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Mr. FITZGERALD—WeII, a statement of the views of
Lord Ranelagh made by the hon. member.
Mr. COX—I made no statement of the noble lord's views,
(Laughter.) What I said was, that some commanding
officers appeared to regret that they had not the power of
flogging. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. FITZGERALD—That was true; but the hon,
member afterwards admitted that he applied the words
to Lord Ranelagh, although at the time he must have been
aware of the means which the noble lord had taken before
a magistrate to obtain a retractation of the imputation, and
gross libel. On that investigation the noble lord stated
that he had never given any evidence that could justly give
rise to such an imputation ; and, furthermore, that it was
totally and absolutely contrary to his opinion. (Hear,
hear.) Yet, after that denial, the hon. member repeated
the charge.
Mr. COX—I beg your pardon. (Laughter.)
Mr. FITZGERALD—The noble lord then wrote to the
hon. member, stating that the inference from his evidence
was unjust and unfounded, and thereupon the hon. member
had expressed himself as the house had heard. He repeated
that no more scant or grudging apology could have fallen
from any gentleman. (Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of HARTINGTON could not regret the
discussion on the bill for the third time, as it afforded the
hon. member for Finsbury an opportunity of making some
retractation of the aspersions he cast on the noble lord the
other night.
Mr. COX—I cast no aspersions. (Laughter.)
The Marquis of HARTINGTON—AIthough he wished
that the retractation had been more free and generous—
(hear, hear)—than it had been. (Hear, hear.) The hon.
member would lead the house to suppose that it was only
since the denial he had received from Lord Ranelagh that
he had been aware that what was attributed to that noble
lord were not his real sentiments ; but the hon.member must
have been aware that not only had Lord Ranelagh denied
the imputation, but that he had obtained an apology from
those who had spread the calumny. (Hear, hear.) As to
theproposal of the hon member for Biter's County, it was
alaost the same as that which the house had twice nega-
tled, and although he respected the opinion of his hon.
.nd gallant friend (Col. Fane), he yet believed that volun-
teers as a body were in favour of the bill as it stood. (Hear,
hear.) Not one of the cases brought before the house in
opposition to the bill had been substantiated, and he believed
that it would give general satisfaction. (Hear, hear.) It
was hurried forward for the purpose of placing on the table
the Order in Council which would entitle the corps to a
grant this year.
Mr. KNIGHTLEY supported the bill, on the ground
that it did not alter the existing law.
The house divided. The numbers were—
For recommittal
Against ..
Majority against —lo7
Some amusement was created by Mr. Brand announcing
at first the numbers wrong, and giving the victory to the
minerity.
Tie bill was then read a third time, and passed.
REGIMENTAL DEBTS, &c., BILL.
Thie bill was read a second time, and passed.
LONDON DIOCESS BILL.
This till was read a second time.
PIER AND HARBOUR ORDERS CONFIRMA-
TION BILL.
The house having gone into committee on this bill, on
recommittal,
Lord R. GROSVENOR moved that so much of the bill
as related to Rhyl Pier, and the provisional order relating
thereto, be struck out.
After some discussion No amendment was agreed to, and
the bill passed through committee.
The Militia Pay Bill and the Charitable Uses Bill were
read a second time.
The Sheep and Cattle (Scotland) Bill, and the Metropolis
Turnpike Roads Acts Amendment Bill were considered, as
amended, and agreed to.
Ths Trout, &c., Fishing (Scotland) Bill was thrown out
on a ervision by 37 to 12.
The '.Unkeepess' Liability (No. 1) Bill was read a third
time an( passed.
The hkuse adjourned at 20 minutes past 2 o'clock.

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