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London, England, 1839-08-24 00:00:00

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himself that that should be the case, aid he woole new
redeem that pledge. He ( Lord B.) thought nothing could
be more unfair to the Reform Bill, nothing less just end
and candid towards the Constitution of Parliameat. as
amended and existing tinier the great oationel re. aim of
public improvement, than the view taken ..y Noe.,
and Learned Friend_a view wholly unworthy of his
powerful, sagacious, and enlightened mind. First, he
(Lord B.) denied that the wished for reform was the
consequence of any agitation set agoing by the Go-
vernment of the day. No such attempt was made by the Go-
vernment. He knew and he spoke it, for his Noble
Friend at the head of the Home Department had more
than his colleagues the public peace on his
hands—he knew that if there was a man in that Govern
went who objected to sty schemes for popular excitement
and agitation it was his Noble Friend ; be knew that he
himself joined hi., Noble Friend in
this House in erelea-
vouring to put down the notion of some of these popul fr
proceedings being lawful, and gave his opinion that the,
were unlawful when called upoe by th• late Learned Chief
Justice of the Court of King's Benen. —(Hear, hear )
Every thing was done that Government to pur doe.
popular proceedings in the bad sense of the word, hainel,, •
such popular proceedings as could not stand safely together
with the peace of the country, and a proclamation wa,
issued declaring the danger the people would rue and tie
risk they would incur of their liberties and lives be fe
ing in these meeting,. He should not hav:, le-ee sery.
holding that the worst of all things tor reform andi,nprove-
meat was popular excess, that the worst of all things for :
ilc
interests of the people was popular violence—he sn,ul"
not have been sorry to have seen a proclaneeioe isee
now, warning the people against the practice of aeneg
—( Hear, hear)—a practice which might be attended
consequences the most mieht t:;
the most frightful.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The ..:et
arming and collecting arms was far prima Pere
illegal, that it cast the proof in defence en ihe pa, 'Y
charged, and the accusing party were not bound to p.Jve
that the purpose was unlawful. It ea, as feet: let mg in
war, it was near an overt act of hige n s'J;;
Their Lordships would not understand him T., say that tl
was illegal for a man to purchase arms i i his private (1,•
fence, but it was to arming en masse that he nlluded.
far as to the agitation charged on the authors of the Referei
Bill. Now as to its fruit=. He a,,., eel with his
Friend behind him, tiee., much of the egitetion ,vas
to this House. Night alter night their Lordship
were told the people did not cave for ReFoece, and every
speech of that soft wocluced a new meeting and a um
petition, and their Lordships threw oet the Bill, niakiit
the agitation stronger. fie clifi not the.k it fen- to sate;' t'
all the error. wieeh had been eceeelee ott tiro Reign:
Bill.

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of its having produced bad fruits in the yesrs I 833 ec 1834:
and during. the year 1835 there very tittle (ea-a elaint,
But during the years 1836, 1837, 1838. and 1839, he wa
aware that it had produced no fruits. It was nut the NIL
af the seed which was sawn—it w,ss not the fault of the
plant which was reared—it was not the fault of the soil,
the hearts of the people of England—hut it was the faul,
of those who had the charge of the garden in which it
grew, and the culture of the plant, which ought to b.
there flourishing ; it was the fault of the Government that
it yielded no fruit ; they had stricken it with sterility—
they had stunted its growth, they had plucked
off its blossoms as soon as it began to bud and show its
fragrance in the air; it was they who would not let the
fruit be gathered in at the proper time, to the comfort, the
satisfaction, and to the contentment of the good people of
this country for whose use it was planted, and in whose
gratitude those who planted it continued at this day to
flourish. No man said that merely reforming the Parlia.
ment would make it work well, if the Government was
incapable of doing its duty. It was not to be expected
that it would work like a machine, and even that could
riot be set going without a director. But here were men
so utterly imbecile, that they had lost the confi !once of
their own Reformed Parliament, never having had the
confidence of this House. It was a little too hard on the
part of his Noble Friend to charge the faults of the Go-
vernment on the Reform Bill. He hoped that his Noble
Friend was satisfied with him ( Lord Brougham) and tha, he
had redeemed his pledge.—( Laughter.) The Niible and
Learned Lord had gone through such a great variety of
matters, that he was not disposed to follow him. except to
make a remark or two on what had been oiniited to. ' is
Noble Friend. He said that the numb, rof Bni. passed
iii the Session was no test of the capacity of tote Lea
ire, or those who directed its movements,
ordinary duty of the Govo,itnknit W. 16 !I,:t to pas, Cli;ji,
hut to carry on the old law, te pas. the eo, ry
up Addresses, receive iiiisweis, carry on thc
-.les of the two Houses of Pa•-hom:',,
sew Legislative ineasuTes aas raft,er lit
rule. During pr.,ient S'isiot, 3110001
voted for eilucatioa, '_ltd 70,0001. fur but Qasee's
stables—( Laughtec)—trid it Pio wa- er.aee'J ,eiee
since of Parliament, according to ,•f gigot
Noble aiid Lea,•lii2,l Lord, to pas,, )
He differod widely front the Noble Lii;xl i
Noble Lord had made two InAinu,,t:o )5 its tote, and mai-I%er
against. his Noble tied learned Friend. His ( Lord 13
was to insinuate nothing, but to say what he thought ; art lie
meant to charge it as a fact, that, while the late King awl di,
late Court existed, the Government, finding no favour wi,h the
one, and great hatred with the other, being the sickest Go-
vernment that ever existed except that of Richard
Laughter)—having nothing to rely upon but
were exeee.tingly full of profession upon the subject of refO,no
and improvement, and there was liothing they would no, ,10
they could; but it was not their fault, because the King v, as
not with them, and the House of Lords wa, in battle array-
against them. This was the constant and uncontradieted state-
ment made by all the Noble Lord's supporter' through the press,
arid at public meetings in England, steoti,thi, and Ireland.—
(Lord Melbourne here intimated that he kiiew nothing of it. )
The Noble Viscount said he knew nothing of it. Whether that
-` I never fitted of it liefGfe," wbethe, it was, '' I :ie.,
not bound to know, and iherefere choose to skirt • my eyiS"---.
itughier )—he (Lord Brougham) could riot say. The Noble
Load awl his colleagues knew that every one of their writers,
aei•ry rite of their agitators in Ireland, every one of their cautious
essa-,ists who spoke in Scotland; every pamphleteer, agitator,
and dissertator in all par.!s of the country,' spoke of nothing
else than that the cow! ',vac against dime, but that when
things took aioither I urn tliey would be found as go:xi Rsformers
as the people could desire. That was the laiigusge continued
down to a very recent period. Never was there a word sail of
finality duTina the reign of his late gracious master William the
Fourth.—( Laughter.) Never was there a word of it until the
accession of the present Sovereign, and the beginning
of the Parliament, and then came the finality deslara-
tion, then was it first thought of and first promulgated.
The Government went on doing nothing ; the people began to
be impatient. Last May they went out of office—and they
came in again. He (Lord Brougham) differed with the Noble
Viseount in the construction he put on the words of his Noble
and Learned Friend, which certainly did not imply that the
Noble Viscount had been guilty of anything underhand—that
the Noble Viscount affected to go out, meaning to come in—
that he instructed the Queen to keep him in—that was not in-
tended—(" Hear, hear," from Lord Lyndhurst)—but they went
out because they said they did not possess the confidence of
Parliament, and in less than a week afterwards they came in
again, having done nothing in the meantime to gain, or to
regain that confidence. And the Queen had since been
praised by the partisans of the Ministry, for having " stood
by Reform and Liberal principles," for having refused to have
anything to do with the Noble and Learned Baron or the
Noble Duke opposite. The cry of " The Queen !" was raised
everywhere—not certainly much in Scotland, among that pecu-
liarly cautious and sagacious people—but in Ireland, with all
the most extravagant statements that ever proceeded from the
wildest human fancy.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) " Re-
formers,' it was said, " stand by your Queen, for she has stood
by you, and has rejected the Duke and the Baronet "—( Laugh-
ter.) Grateful indeed must the Reformers of England have
been, had they been grateful fur what the Government had
done. No objection had been made against sending for the
Duke, who had declared against all Parliamentary Reform.
Th - first thing which the Noble Duke proposed was the send
ing for the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth.
No objection to him—the paragon of Anti-Reformers—the
leader of the Tories —he was sent for—he was most graciouly
received. No objection—not the shadow o. the shape of an
objection—to any of his measures—no stipulation for th • ad-
vance of the " .Movement"—no scruples as to one single tittle of
the 39 Articles—or the 390—0 f Toryism—of the high, ultra,
Tory creed. But—touch a Lady of the Bedchamber—Oh !
( Laughter.) Then away goes the Noble Duke., away with the
Right Hon. Baronet, away with tie' Noble and Learn, bird
, opposite.--(Laughter.) " Let me hug to my bosom" (was the
language put into the Queen's mouth) those \ limsters who had
gone out, because they said they did not possess the eonfidenee
of the country—because they were utterly incapable of carry-
ing on the business of the Government.—(Chee,s and heighten )
This was all very well. If the people of this e mntry thought
this a becoming state of delusion ; if they closed their ins ii
eyes, why, they could not complain of being left in the data;.
But upon this subject there was really new .uo do:do. it Led
been stated on high authority, that the Ladies of the Bed-
chamber were the responsible servants of the i 'town.—
( Hear, hear.) And yet it was said to be an utterly un- '
heard-of thing for the Noble Duke, and the Right lion.
Baronet, to interfere in an establishment of these " responsible
servants of the Crown."—( Hear.) Well, after the interregnum,
the cry of " the Queen" was raised by all the adherents of the
Government, in addresses and at meetings ; and if any on,
wished.to have a low opinion of human nature—of criminality
in some—for all would not have been so grossly deceived—of
weakness in others, a more mortifiing 'exhibition could not
have been presented than the speeches and the publications of
the Whig party a few weeks after Ministers had cone back to
places whence they had been driven by the distrust !if Parlia-
ment. The constant song was " Ola, they will be s s different
now, you will not know them them to be the same—
( Laughter)—they are determined to give Reform. They
will show that they know who arc their real friends ; they have
been, in some way or other—nobody knows how.-but they have
been somehow prevented hitherto from being Reformers.
Now they are to become Reformers with a vengeance."—
( Laughter.) The Government —pour ionocent lambs
(Laughter)—they had no idea of any such ciy having been
raised.—(Laughter. ) This was raised for them by their too
kind, too courageous, friends. They had done little before—
they did less now—all that was said of their intentions ended
in—nothing.. The excuse now raised was, " Oh ! wait till
another Session—they have no time this Session."—( Laughter. )
True, they have brought in fifty-five Bills, but, somehow, they
have not been able to introduce the right ones.—...(Laughter.
There had been one illustrious exception. They had made the
Ballot an open question—his Noble and Learned 4,74,
said, this was a shabby thing. " Oh ' Said the
Noble Viscount, it may be shabby-ebnt it is by
no means new."
cep
that they
tell office to
was not certainly new,—he
( Lord Brougham) was sorry to say that lie had heard of such
courses before—but never, except for the purpose of enablinis
men wbo ditT
would
nuird subjects,phoratvaentbeen infinitely yett able:
gather,
hßut there was one peculiarity in thi
n should have left office, and made way for others who could as
ci
weerieil t
in harmony, `` open
not remember
other—that it all of a sudden
question " case of the
wasßallot, which he did
in any omade an open ques
tiae_not having been alwar open, —( Lord Melbourne—" The-
Boman Catholic question). —That and the Abolition of Slavewe,%
I had chiefly in view. - Ido not recollect that ever they
not open questions.—(Lord liflhourne—" I be
_But of this lam sure, that it destroyed the wholeg pardon. ')
grace of the
east of those measures, that it prevented the beneficial effects
anticipated from the Catholic Relief Bill.—( Hear,
.) But
there was certainly this peculiarity in the Pesllot 1
case— ie
al-
luded to the declaration, adverted te - by his Noble and Learned
Friend, but not alluded to by the N V.
o iscaunt—(ltear
hear)—the de4mli:ol made by',a Noble LoTcl, 'La other t.
House—apparently to satisfy his cceradenceLfor some were
dissatisfied about it—a deelza-i.'con to content those against the
Measure, but. which excited the ineffable disgust of most of those
who heard it—the deelaration that the Ballot was, made se,
open question—that it mightbe t,halved" to deatha—that it