The Sun.
London, England, 1837-12-05 00:00:00

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there was a
f the
horses.—(Cheers, and cries of " Bravo I") You perceive in but are you aware that
in ijerity o
T olis') Members--that there was a
II was then
one word that you have occasion to agitate, and lam not sorry eri,, , ~.
your Reform Bi ,i_
for it • I like agitation—l was bora an agitator—( Cheers and Scottish Members—and that ,
it sent over by the
laughter)—and if there is not a strong boll of me in the passed by the overpawering majo.
uyion the Church-rate.
grave I shall not only be an agita•or through We but I shall Irish people. I have voted with you 1 .
te Refer:A.—l
u ion the Corpora
majority
these
agitate in the grave.—(Che.-rs.) No man ever deserves to question--I voted for i o .
I . n for all ot.
have a friend that is not a friend to himself; and the people voted for the Scottish Reform Bill.
assisting
Englishmen?---
never can procure liberty until they appreciate its advaetages, questions—then have I not been
Euglishmen
an.l exert themselves to maintain it. —( Cheers. ) All parties (Chee s.) At all times when the interest; of
N ote
have the same interests to induce them to remain in power— were i.t jeopardy I have always beenl am TcadY
they are anxious to obtain its emoluments and do as lit le as they ready still to vote in the same way.—( y
in , and therefore
can. The people, on the. contrary, have an interest in obtaining now to do the same as if I were now beginning,
assist
_noishmen,
go rd and cheap government, and if they expec`. it from any there is no necessity for an appeal to me o b
questions whiell
at_nileyerpslt ; and I am
any quarter but themselves they are miserably deceived. If —(Cheers.) I shall vote for all of the three
they
you are asked to agitate, you should know upon what basis it have been discussed to-day, whenever it or.
te end proper
should be established. You* cannot expect combination un- before the House of Commons in a legitihme•
abrought forward
less you render its basis and results intelligible. Short Par. manner.—( Cheers.) These questions may
the posai•
liamerits is my basis. I put it first, not because it is the best at a time when other circumstances may preventan injury. In
measure, but because it is that which my resolution embodies ; bility of my voting for them without doing them,
a late oat-
and to it I add the Ballot and the extension of the Suffrage.— sach a case I will use my discretion, as I,,did up
"these quese
( Veh 'meat cheers.) As to short Parliaments I shail say sion ; but I distinctly pledged myself that are brought
something presently—the Ballot you all understand already ; tions are brought forward in a direct ai'ildhe
on ea
but with respect to the extension of the Suffrage, you have a mintier, my vote shall be for time people of England p.
be Mialatry,
right to ask what Iman by it. I quart el with no man as to his and all of them.---( Cheers.) I s care not who are t friend
sntrai
explanation of the term, but I mean Universal Suffrage.— and I ought not to be appealed to by my honours e
e_lll
(Great applause. A voice in the crowd—" The 40s. free- Mr. Roebuck, for I most cordially voted with. *him n A
utPalentee
holders.") I will come to that, you bloelshead, presently.— Canadian questions, and I tell my honorable and
excel talent
guhtforwar?
(Great laughter.) The question reminds me of this, that I friend that Ido not give in to him —tkat he does not e'o";..
am the only man in this assembly who was called upon, on his in any respect for that people, e.nd in indignation theirOf him at
oath, to express his opinion upon what the Suffrage ought to pressers. I voted with him last session—l voted withs
~ eters
be. I was examined on oath before a Cominetee of the a time when one unfortunate majority against the Ve)"late
House of Lords, and a question was put to me by the late might have certainly put it in the power
of
t all the
Lord Liverpool on the subject, and I declared my c conviction King to turn them out, and have left my country to
s.. i
• that it ought to be universal.—(Great applause.) lam the horrors of a Tory—of an Orange ascendancy.—( Cheers. /re..
only man who sands pledged upon oath to that opinion. 11. voted against the Ministers on every occasion relating to t:.
was exactly the 40s. franchise which brought that question nada ; and I now feel that in the al:sence of her talented.eB"
under consideration. Being examined on oath, I described voca-e I, aid those whom he has left behind him favourab.el ';
the mischief occasioned by one branch of the 40s. franchise, his views, are obliged to redouble our exertions ; and I li9
in Ireland, which was held by the payment of an enormous myself to him that upon every possible occasion, when there ed
rent and no profit—making a 40s. freeholder in fact the pro- a division, I shall be found doing my duty to the oppress
party of his landlord.—(Hear, hear.) I was then addressed people of Canada.—( Loud cheering.) I pledge myself to
ssueb
by Lord Liverpool thus: "then your opinion is, that that my esteemed friend that if the measures be such as we formsL
species of franchise has all the evils of Universal Suffrage." fear they will—l pledge myself to him that so far as the itu
My reply was: "My Lord, my opinion is, that Universal of Parliament will allow, I shall take every possible OPll°,O 1
Suffrage would cure all these evils."_( Bursts of applause.) nity of into, posing delay.—(Loud cheering.) And why L:tea
I could not take the hint, for I was on my oath ; but Ibe say that ? Because the same policy .su long ado
the
lieved in my conscience that Universal Suffrage was a good in unfortunate Ireland—the same miserable policy
e the
thing. I know that I have been calumniated upon that point— same tyrannical 'policy has been adopted towards the
upon what point have I not been calumniated ?—( Cheers)— Cana lien people. As in my unfortunate country, li
d ,_
but listen for one moment to the fact. When the Catholic employees, as the pcor French call them, are supporte tbye
Emancipation Bill was passing through Parliament, accompanied this tvrannical Government, and they are trampling
uratiiere
by a measure for the annihilation of the forty-shilling fran- Canadians. Why, what have they done ? The peel) did
chise, I called a meeting at the Thatched House, which have a House of Commons to regulate their supplies. The
was attended by sixty-five peers, and delegates from the Irish regulate their supplies; but that tyrannical faction ro en
s
.
people ; and we then prepared a petition, the prayer of which their Exchequer without the consent of that House of Comintitcy
was not to grant emancipation at such a price.—( Cheers.) They lost the privileges of their ancestors—they fought--;
over That is the basis on which we stand. If it were not so late I bled, to recover them; for that they have been handeu. will
should like to discuss this question with you. Recollect this, to the controul of a faction.—( Loud cheers.) There t
honesty
.-
that your combination (you have approved the basis) to be meet my friend foot to foot; I share with him in his bellieet
effective must not be the mere raisin of your voices here though I cannot in his eloquence.—( Cheers.) Recollect
this day. You will never agitate by op.
that. You must that every Government in Ireland, up to the present, has a
agitate hour by hour, day by day, and week by ported the Canadian faction in Ireland—the Orangemen
tale
g
week, if you have leisure, and no man is honest who robbed the people of their property—stained their
that cannot find leisure to devote to the service of his fields with their blood—forget you—oh I I have told the
country.--( Hear, hear.) Agitation to be useful must so oft—the little girl, who, leading her aged grandsire t.e.b;
include combination, it must include an Association—(Great sunny spot, was shot in his arms by the minions of the 'rnue
cheering)—an Association to sit from week to week—an As. system--( Loud groans)—Forget you—the odious system deli.
sociation that it will be the duty, as well as interest, of every which the unfortunate culprit was consigned to the ten ea
man to attend—an Association that will include amongst its mercies of an Orange jury, selected by a partizan sheriff, a,"ts
1 members the representatives of the people, and whose proceed- was tried by a party judge—justice being thus polluted in.biat
ings it will be the interest of the press to report.--( Hear, very shrine.—(Groans and loud cheers.) Forget you-- to
hear.) We began in Ireland with an Association that con- there are seven aged Tory Judges who yet cling with desnerae
sisted only of a few members—its numbers increased from day tenacity to the bench in Ireland—and why? Let but the
to day until it swelled to about 14,000. Peel, with all Tories come in for one hour, and these seven antiquate,
his cunning—Wellington, with all his bravery, were Judges will be replaced by the faction—such antiquate,
obliged to yield before the power of that Association.— as Sergeant Jackson, Sergeant Lefroy, or Recorder Sha
0..
f or
( Cheers.) It has been said that the people of England gained You see that we have an interest in the maintenance of the Pr
us emancipation. I feel grateful to them for the assistance sent Government. England is a country proverbial _
which they rendered us, but I deny the assertion.—(Hear, common sense. Will any man deny to me the fact that the
hear.) It was not the people of England that carried that are seven Judges ready to resign if the Tories come in?".„
measure—it was the agitation of Ireland.—(Cheers.) Now ( Hear, bear.) Will any man, on the contrary, deny that t',,
what the people of Ireland did, it is natural to suppose the Tories could at once put in their places seven of their own frienn
people of England can also do. Nothing was ever done yet men like Sergeant Jackson, like Mr. Litton, who lost:
that can't be done over again.—(Laughter and cheers.) fortune in a strugg a
le for a seat in Parliament—like Mr. Shag,
a
Do you want short Parliaments? Do you want the Ballot? Mr. Lefroy, or Mr. Brewster a gentleman who purchase"
Do you want Universal Suffrage? Combine to get them.— large property by the fruits of his professional labours, an
( Loud cheers.) Remember you have an advantage which we whose first step was to turn out all his Roman Catholic te,
Once
had not in Ireland. One of the atrocious acts of the Irish nastry ?—(" Shame.") Would not the Tories find at en'
Tories was its Convention Act, which prohibited all meetings seven bigotted, intolerant, and. partial men excluding even
by delegation for any political purpose.—(Hear, hear.) You those I have named ?—(Hear.) Would they not have the 'V..:
may have representatives from every village—every town— portunity to do so, and did the Tories ever miss the opPel
every district.—( Cheers.) Elect your representatives.— tunity ?—( Cheers, and laughter.) Englishmen, I fling 111.;
(Cheers.) I don't want you to call it a Convention. In self and my country upon you—in all your struggles for liberua
a neighbouring country one assembly under that name per- we have stood beside you, and I now ask you will you sta „
petratcd such horrible atrocities that I proscribe the name, by us in turn ? —(Tremendous and reiterated cheetthr
I hate the thing so much—(Loud cheers)—let it be " the ing.) Work for your own liberties— work for PA
Great English Association."—( Tremendous cheers.) Don't own rights—work for your privileges—the Tories will n)
let the meeting pass away without any solid resolution ; this give them to you.—( Cries of " No, no—nor the whigs•__
is a working speech. I care not what praise you give it if it Ton are quite right—they will not unless you compel thein• or
do not produce a working society.—(Cheers.) lam Presi- (Laughter and cheers.) But I was interrupted in what I for
dent of the Working Men's Association in Dublin ; they are about to say—listen then to what an Irish blunderer says,
all excellent workmen.—(Laughter and cheers.) I like a good the accent is upon my tongue mounting in sounds which are)
job.—(Laughter.) Therefore I say, Associate asso- by some called musical, by others melancholy.--( Hear, hear)
ciate—associate.—( Hear, hear, and tremendous cheers.) But we Irish never commit the blunder of turning out what
The revolution of the Reform Bill passed without doing injury bad to get in what is worse.—( Hear, and laughter.) If eYeo
to any one ; nobody lost by it but political knaves and rogues. turn out the present Ministers and put in the Radicals—s", t
_( Cheers.) Ido not wish to have any revolution attended me but the opportunity Of doing that—( Great cheering)s-e
by riot and tumult—still less by one drop of bloodshed.— to turn out the Whigs for the purpose of' putting in the
( Cheers.) But peaceable, political regeneration—Ole this ries—that would be indeed an egregious blunder.—( Hear, an
is the first aspiration of my throbbing heart ; I desire it as I cheers.) Let us then assist you, for I tell you, Englishinerni
do the light of a blessed eternity ; I 'Nish for it as for the hap- that we would not assist you except upon principle. I
piness of the dearest pledges of affection that ever a human found a party in this country, which, being Radicals like 111.
being had.—( Loud and long-contittued cheering.) That self, would not join to protect the poor people of Irelails
is the animating principle of my entire life, the principle the peasant's hut and the widow's cottage, from the foul ga"le
,of ameliorating and invigorating the institutions of this coon- of Orange domination, I would not join them. —( Loud cheers._
try.—( Cheers.) Are we unreasonable in requiring that the It has been said, and said coolly, that the people of Eng°o i
Reform Bill should be reformed? I should wish to put it to the did not support the Coercion Bill.—( Cries of " no, no.) e
sober mind who thinks that we are going too far..--( Cheers.) deny that, it is a calumny upon the people of England to gait',
What has the Reform Bill produced? Has it produced the that they did not support the Coercion Bill. —( Cries of .5r1,0
expectations formed with respect to it or not by the public at no.) Is it not too bad that such nonsense should be talked l'i.,
large ? Certainly not. The advantages it was stated would me ? Why the people of England had just returned Refornle ;
be derived from the Reform Bill, are they not a mockery ? to Parliament; they were few to be sure but honourable me,
—( Loud cheering.) Before the Reform Bill, there was as they were they supported the Coercion Bill.—( Some Olt
direct nomination—that was bad enough ; but what have we fusion.) What, however, does my friend Mr. Roeht,
now 2—( Cheers.) It is true we have not direct nomination, propose to me to do ?—I will never vote for the Wit:,
but we have worse—we have nomination by bribery and cor- when they are wrong—( Cries of " hear, hear)—but iit'
ruption.—(Cheers.) The Ministry who supported the Reform he says the people of England will do mighty things, and thats,
Bill are now supporting a system of fraud, bribery, and per- we may rely upon their honesty, determination, and firnineil ,
jury—they are therefore supporting immorality. In one instance I cannot help asking you where is this great propensity to
teat
you have them supporting the instruction of the people, and form to be seen ?—( Hear, hear.) Recollect the great ine,lLe
in another you have them sanctioning corruption and bribery. powers, the elopence, the irresistible logic, and the steriZ
What occurred in England at the last election ? Look at the honesty of ray friend, Mr. Roebuck, and when we to
bribery that took place there. Any man who would sanction these things in connection with the fact that he has be',
such proceedings, I care not what his denomination might be, rejected by a large constituency of Englishmen, I ask Yndi
Atheist, Pagan, Mahometan, Calvanist, Catholic, or what where is the proof of it? Oh, shame upon the people of
rut
not, I say he is not a Christian.—( Cheers.) The Tories now for rejecting such a man as my friend, Mr. Roebuck, t° in)--.y
'come upon me and say you are not satisfied with the Reform in my Lord Powerscourt.—(Cheers, and some confusal°the
Bill, but we are. Sir Robert Peel said he was satisfied with Recollect, gentlemen, I am not here as the advocate 01 do
it. To be sure he was—and that was the very bast reason why Whigs, but as the friends of Ireland.—( Uproar. ) Y.:'„a
it should be reformed. Ile was the friend of Gallon and Old not seem to understand the difference. I ask every henea' the
Sarum, and such corrupt boroughs-as those, and surely lie reflecting man—has not every Irishman a deep interest inwith
would be the friend still of any thing that savoured of cur- present Government ?—(Cheers, and cries of No.) Ig° of
ruption.—(Cheers.) I am sure that all who surrouud me you to the fullest extent in principle ; lam the advocatli a
are not •satisfied with the Reform Bill, and they will join your rights. I preached only the other day at Norw.iclia,
with me in endeavouring to get it reformed. lam for short- political sermon, in which Universal Suffrage, Short Par, be
cuing the duration of Parliament, but its term applies to the merits, and Vote by Ballot were my text ; but I would draw
flexity of its theory. The resolution of 1788 fixed it at three consulting the interests of my countrymen, were I not to
their
j
years; let it be so now, and I will venture to assert that great the distinction as to who were their friends and who la
good will be effected by it. There is, therefore, nothing so • enemies.—( Hear, hear.) Let us go back for a little. ,
useful as fixing the duration of Parliament. You will have 1834-5 the Tories came into power; and whom did theArlaan pd
then another advantage, and it is this, that there is not a hu- point to wait upon the person of the King ? The -'reed
man being who, knowing when the Parliament is to be dig- Master of the Orangemen in Ireland I Who was alir,'""sc.
solved, will not be prepared with a form, whatever it may be, to the head of time Ordnance Department ? The Gran"riel
of showing his title to vote. He will not be going year after cretary, Colonel Perceval I And whom did they create Pear,
year before Revising Barristers, and put to trouble and ex- Councillors ? Recorder Shaw and Dr. Lefroy 1—( ,bat
pense, but he will know the period the election is to take hear.) There was a majority in Parliament against \ire
place, and he will prepare himself for that period-4 Cheers.) Administration, and its downfall was easily foreseen. but
'lhit will put an end to that constant association-of attorneys heard a great deal es to what they were to do for Ireland,
0,
arid jobbers that worry the people at the franchise registry, no one gave heed to their promises. For my peat I wouleati;ri
and anticipate bribery before the election.—( Cheers.) The for an ounce of good to a bushel of promises.—(Laugsuoeh
Ballot you have had sufficiently discussed, and I sin sorry to Oh !my heart shall burst with gratitude to you, if, r
th umy
detain you. —( Go on, go on.) If the Ballot were adopted, your exertions, Ireland is relieved from oppression—to yne__ed
there would be an instigation to popularity.—( Hear.) When feelings bend—my heart is towards you. I have witen
bse'eu
a man knows he cannot bribe or intimidate—when he knows scenes in Ireland that made my heart shudder—l have upos
that he can be returned to Parliament only from the love and before the Bench, and what I saw there made me look
9._si
affection of his fellow-countrymen—when he knows the secret it as a scene of the greatest mockery. There the magi
_"001,
vote will express the real sentiments of the voter, will it not truckled to the opulent few, and dealt harshly to theeoePdttet
be a powerful stimulant to every human being who has a Par- Thaek God, the lime is now arrived when such consent
liamentary ambition, so to conduct himself that every body will be checked and controlled. The measures of the inthine
who goes into the Ballot-box will carry with him an affection Ministers are tending to so great an end, "4 try w"
for the man he votes for.—(Cheers.) The Ballot will be the it is but justice in us to support in principle, the Minis t,9 are
first step to make it the interest of every man to be the best man have brought such measures forward. It is the poor are
n his neighbourhood. One is the stimulant of vice; the other the Magistrates fasten their fangs on. TheYanoe
is the highest and best incentive to virtue.-- (Cheers.) As ground down in Ireland in the most inhuman
.:111 their
he went along the streets even he would be pointed at as the Humanity is a word that is not written i
:vtnesseci
man whom his neighbours thought so well of, and that in the language, and, oh, the oppressions that I have
eoeser
absence of intimi Wiwi or undue influence, and in the total against the poor of my beloved country, it is out of the of the
absence also of bribery, he had been proclaimed by their votes of human language to express. These are the workserder that
as being in their superior judgment, the very best man they Tories. Let us all then join against the To. ie's,ln want.----
could possibly elect.—( Cheers. ) Englishmen, I call on you the people may carry out the great purposes they
the ho-
in the name of that virtue you respect to rally round a system (Great cheering.) Dont throw out of your ea ko.n, ,;th
that will put an end for ever to immorality and vice.— nest people of Ireland.—( Cheers. ) They alw%alyis) j 1 c. .
d never ar-
( Hear arid cheering.) One word for my favourite princi- you in fighting your battles. The flag of Ene
bleilig held V
pie of Universal Suffrage. I say YOU cannot get justice peared foremost ia the blaze of battle without c ,iuister.s.
without Universal Suffrage, because the very principle of our Ei.glam:, Ireland, and Scolland. If we shall oihnseees "1
nanimous In
Constitution is, that it is robbery to take one penny out of ourio we should be just with them. We should
and she
is own pockets except by tax. Now, who is it in England wl demanding extension of the Suffrage, the
Ballot,
in the hands °,l
is not taxed? NVh my friend the 40s. freeholder
it e of Parliament.—( lit. ( Cheers.) Let us not leave in
(pointing to an individual in the room, which create much any minion of the Crown the right of fixing tit..
cl out, but let),
Every man who has not assented Let the great principle of combination be came _
(Cheers"'
laughter) even pays taxes.
by his represent itive hedone •mined fmanner. Let
to a tax is robbed either by himself or
Mr. H •
But I will du this for him. My worthy friend, Harvey', Let your A ssocistions be of proper material..—roan,
the gene
has said that lie would not take six shiilings and eight pence them be the representative of the poor
Let the vs)
t:
in the pound from any one who had the ability to. pay twenty try, and the middle classes.—( Cheers.)t , _ raised_ 0
shillings. I would also act in the same manner if I had any of this meeting and of the whole couuenhrty eDu
-11 whole fehsrot.
mewls of making him pay, but if I have a cavilling and a fraedu. that pitch that it may be urged through
Stone walls
lent debtor, and have no law to make him pay, then a friend of St. Stephen's, and through then
doing so show
olio
comes forward and offers me 63. 81., I would at once the Star CharnLer.—( Cheering. )
l that they are
been
gladly take it as the best substantial instalment. I can get, gratitude to the Irish people—recollect eo lc who have
_awn
but I will not give a receipt in full.—( Cheers. ) I
.do not give third of the empire—that they are a
P despair, that the d) .
one voucher in diecharge, but being more merry and strong crushed down to the very verge of despiathern._( cheers::,
by means of the instalment, Igoon to look for the remainder of kindness is but just breaking in urtlre Reneal ef the
areal of
of the debt. So, should the Ministry and the Parliain lit wish net to agitate the question of d
to r
be parnd Peavil
come forward and offer me an extension of the Suffrage, I will again—l wish the people of Ireland to la bay n
__,
do all in my power in order to give every Englishman a vote. the British Empiee.( Great I
eI
love that count:flyers:evil
Wo might %IA for Household Suffrage—even for that I would spoken to you of Ireland—how love,_ deeply() ign that
vote, though there are many lodgers who are as well able i but myself can tell. That 'l' I was b Inery tilY
to vote as their fellow-citizens.—( Cries of " Come to the 1 on the tablets of my heart.—(Cheers.'
and beauti4el scd
beautie
Ministry.") I will come to them preenkly. Anappeal has I beloved land, aritoeg her green
her sublime and becern°
been made to me by qne of the most powerful intellects that childhood was spent—l roved among ._ hoe, an --
wild mountain tive land',tb,
had ever been placed in anybody; the body was small, but ful itieuntains—l grew up a
0, me na
but '
freedom
the mind was filled with honour.---(Clieere.l He appealed ,in hive with the majestic scenerroyee of my a ev
slavi"-, '4. free—.
to me to assist Engliehmen. What heye been doing all I ( Cheering.) I found my countrys
~......
i the spirit i
:),ictort--/*
along ? Have I net been assisting Englishmen ? In 1831 i,iron had not entered their souls
._ mapy a
you will remember that the Reform Bill passed twice, ' lived in their hearts—l led them 0 la