The Sun.
London, England, 1863-07-15 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS—Last Evening.

The LORD CIIACELLOIL took his scat on the woolsack at
fivo o'clock,
lONIAN 'ISLANDS.

Lord STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE gave notice
that on TueAday mxt he should call attention to the cession
of the lonian Islands.

JAPAN.

Earl GREY stated that since it had been stated that Mr.
floss had deliberately shot a policeman in the territories of
Jupan, he (Earl Grey) had received a letter from that
gentleman, who denied the statement, and said ho was at-
tacked by an armed party in a most unwarrantable manner,
and in defending. himself he shot a police officer.
Earl RUSSELL understood that the reason the state-
ment was made was because Sir Rutherford Alcock had
been stated to be too favourable to the Japanese.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Ely Valley Extension Railway Bill and the Brecon
Junction Railway Bill were read a third time and passed.
SAVINGS BANKS BILL (AMENDMENT).
This bill was read a second time,
PRISON 11.IINISTERS BILL.

The Commons' amendments to the Lords' amendments
to this bill were then taken intoconsideration. The result
wt.s, their lordships adhered to their original amendments,
but some additional words were added to their first amend-
Ita:nts.

THE SHEEP AND CATTLE (SCOTLAND) BILL,
..111:5 bill was.read.a thin' tier, and passed.
STIPENDIARY MAGISTRA I'ES BILL.
This bill was read a secor.d tira3.
REMOVAL OF IRISH POOR BILL.

This 1 ill passed through committee, and was reported
with amendments.
GROWING CROPS SEIZURE (IRELAND) BILL.
Earl ST. GERMANS moved the second reading of this
bill, the object of which was to place the growing crops
beyond the reach of creditors unless the debt was above
£2O, thus putting ordinary creditors on the same footing as
the landlords.
The Earl of DoxouGnmonm and the Earl of HARDWICKE
both gave notice that in committee they would move cer-
tain amendmentfi.
The bill was then read a second time
CLERGYMEN (COLONIES) BILL.

This bill was read a second time.
DRAINAGE AND IMPROVEMENT OF LANDS

(IRELAND) BILL.
The ammdtoents to this bill were reported.
AtARRIAGES REGISTRATION (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill passed through committee and was ordered to be
reported.
Sir Robert Hitcham's Charity Bill, the Ruthin Charities
Bill, and the Police and Improvement (Scotland—Provi-
sional Order) Bill were each read a third time and passed.
The Colonial Acts Confirmation Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed.
FIRING ON A SHIP IN BRITISH WATERS.
The Earl of AIRLIE asked the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs whether he had received any official report
of the attack which was alleged to have been made by a ship
of war of the United States on the ship Margaret and Jessie
in British waters. His lordship drew attention to the ac-
count of the attack upon the Margaret and Jessie which
appeared a short time ago in the public newspapers, and
which appeared to have been written by a person who was
on board. According to that statement, the vessel was
fired at when she was not more than 400 nor less than 100
yards from the land. She was sunk by the shot of an Ame-
rican man-of-war, the name of which was given as the Sa-
vannah, but which was subsequently found to be the Rhode
'eland. He was aware that it was alleged that the captain
of the Rhode Island had asserted that he was not nearer
than four miles to the shore at any time during the firing.
But he presumed the case would be properly examined and
the evidence compared. He should also ask a quution of
which he had not given notice—namely, whether it was
true that the American officers in charge of the blockading
squadron off Charleston Harbour had iss -ed orders to the
captains of vessels not to take any prizes, but to sink all
blockade-runners.
Earl RUSSELL said that the noble earl had stated
correctly the story of the Margaret and Jessie as it had
been received by public report. The Secretary of State in
Washington had assured the master of the vessel, upon
his arrival in New York, that if the case should prove to be
as he represented it, full reparation should be made ; but he
at the same time stated that the captain of the Rhode Island
gave a very different statement of the affair. The whole
matter would be inquired into. As to the statement which
appeared in the newspapers of the directions given to the
captains of vessels at Charleston, he should disregard it as
inaccurate until he saw it officially confirmed.
BRAZIL —THE WRECK OF THE PRINCE OF
WALES,

Lord CHELMSFORD called the attention of the house
to the " Memorandum regarding assessment of compensa-
tion in the case of the Prince, of Wales," which had been
laid upon the table; and asked the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs to inform the house upon what grounds the

Queen's Advocate founded his estimate of the sum of £2,360
as the amount of compensation which ought to be pail for
the cargo, after making allowance for probable and neces-
sary damage ; what was the nature and description of the

cargo and its invoiced value, and if the owner had received
anything from the underwriters in respect of its loss ; also,
in what manner the Queen's Advocate had ascertained that
the loss of wages and effects ought to be estimated at £290

and the compensation for "possible murders" at £B4O
His lordship contended that the arbitration of the King of

the Belgians having resulted in a decision against the
charges made on behalf of the officers of the Forte, the right
to make reprisals was completely disposed of, as these re-
prisals had been made partly to obtain reparation for the
alleged insult which had been offered to the British navy in
the persons of the officers of the Forte. He hoped therefore
to hear from the noble earl that he had offered some expres-

sion of regret, or made some amends, to the Brazilian Go-
vernment for the course which he and Mr. Christie had pur-
sued. When the Brazilian Governmentresi,ted the demands
which the noble earl had made through Mr. Christie, and
when they refused to make any compromise, but simply
surrendered at discretion to superior force, they placed
this country in the very delicate position of being judges in
our own cause. It was our duty, under such circumstances,
to behave with great caution and forbearance; but he
thought that the very contrary spirit had been shown. The
case was referred to the Queen's Advocate, and he had
made the award upon some appraisement which he (Lord
Chelmsford) would be glad to see explained. Surely a ship-
broker cr an insurance underwriter would be better autho-
rities as to the probable value of a ship's cargo and sailors'
kits than the Queen's Advocate. The noble lord went over
the whole care of the loss of the Prince of Wales, and cen-
sured the demand made for freight upon the Brazilian Go-
vernment as an utterly unjustifiable demand, freight n-a
being earned until the goods are delivered• He condemned
the charge for seamen's wages allowed by the Queen's Ad-
vocate, and as to the assessment of £BlO for " possible
murders," the Brazilian Government denied the charge of
murder, and he was at a loss to understand how the curious
sum was arrived at. (Laughter.) The very term used was
adesrstr,, strange one. All could understand what "probable mar-
he meant,
but anything so vague as " possible murders"
had never heard of before. In conclusion, he asked
Earl Russell whether he had
made any amends to the Bra-
zilian Government for the forcible seizure of their ships,
end the enforcement of demands
which were awarded to be
groundless; what was the nature and description of the
c ergo which the Queen's Advocate had valued at two-thirds
of the invoice value; whether Mr. Stephens had received
anything from the unadweraweriatears'eont account of insur-
ance ; how the seamen's obe assessed at £290;
and how the calculations hadg tee:maders ()which settled the
compensation for possible murders at
Earl RUSSELL said that the noble lord had made many
statements very favourable to the Brazilian Government,
but what her Majesty's Government knew was, that when
a British vessel was wrecked on the Brazilian
to
coast the au-
thorities refused to produce the bodies or hold an in-
quest, It was easy for the noble lord to make statements
favourable to the Brazilian Government, which had taken
good care that there should be no proofs forthcoming. It
was not because the award of the King of Belgian; was ;n
favour of the Brazilian Government is the matter of the‘
officers of the Fo:to that therefore her Majesty's Govern,.
reent was wrong in
compelling the submission of the ques-
tion to arbitration. If the Brazilian Government had agreed
to leave the matter to arbitration in the first instance, no
reprisals would have been made. Mr. Christie pressed upon
them the offer of arbitration, and they would not accept it.
Until the reprisals were made nothing could be done. In
fact, the Brazilian Government had for some time treated
her Majesty's Government with a degree of contempt which
was very unusual between friendly Powers. As to the
noble lord's suggestion about a shipbroker, the Government
were not in the habit of going to shipbrokers or insurance
agents for advice. They usually applied to the law advisers
of the Crown, and the Queen's Advocate was the proper
officer to whom they had referred. The noble lord, as the
advocate of the Brazilian Government, alleged that the
cargo had gone to the bottom—but the evidence of Mr.
Consul Vinkes showed that the vessel was afloat and at
anchor when he saw her, several days after the wreck. Her
boats were drying on shore; they were unbroken, and the
oars were in them. Several packing cases wore open on the
shore empty—and the paper which lined them was dry, and
bore no appearance of having been wetted. It was true that
Mr. Christie had made no demand for compensation for the
murders—but the Queen's Advocate thought that the
charge was fair and just. lie (Earl Russell) had no doubt
whatever that the people v. ere murdered. Mr. Stephens,
the owner of the ship, had received nothing on account of
insurance from the underwriters—and he (Earl Russell)
considered the charge as assessed was very moderate. As to
our relations with Brazil, he thought they would be very
much improved by the Brazilians finding that British fee-
men could not be murdered or British vessels plundered
with impunity.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said that the papers
showed that the Brazilian Government had produced four
bodies, and that they were proved not to have been mur-
dered,

Earl RUSSEL—There were ten bodies yen, and only
four Were produced.
The Lad of MALMESBURY said that the other six

Were buried
_ill the- sand. and could not be found. (Earl
EERT AT4 T Russell made a gesture of dissent.) The affair was a dis-
grace to this country, and he regretted that the r oble earl
had not given any reply to his noble friend, or any assur-
ance that he would make amends to the Brazilien Govern-
ment, and say that he regretted the reprisals were made.
Ile hoped that no false pride would prev do the noble earl
from seeking a reconciliation with Brazil. Our feelings on
the unfortunate slave trade had led us to do many things
which disturbed our relations with other countries ; and the
Aberdeen Act, by which British cruisers were empowered
to board, search, and seize Brazilian vessels suspected of
teing slavers in Brazilian waters, was calculated to prevent
a good understanding from being established between the
two countries. It was mere legalised piracy in search of
piracy, and Lord Aberdeen often expressed his regret for
for having passed that Act.
Earl RUSSELL said he had been informed by the Por..
tuguese Minister in London that he was instructed to use
his good offices in bringing about an amicable understand,
ing been this country and Brazil. He (Earl Russell)
thought it best to wait until that proposition became before
her Majesty's Government.
Earl FORTESCUE warmly defended the character of
his friend Mr. Christie.
After a few words from Lord MALMESBURY, the
subject drorped.
GALWAY AND NEW YORK MAIL PACKETS.
The Earl of HARD WICKE asked the Postmaster-
General Weether the contract for the conveyance
of mails between Galway and America has yet been con-
eluded. 2d. Its tern's ; and whether any and what nos or modi-
fications, more especially as regards the landing of
telegrams at St. John's, Newf."ndlan
• 3d When the
performance of the service is to commence. 4th. Whether,
notwithstanding
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Governmentd. Admiralty
arsurveyorseprepai
prepared
of
the
to
the
unfitness
otfhthe
reportsvessol
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the
to incur the risk of another failure in this service. sth.
Whether any steps have been taken by the Government
authorities to insure the public against the consequences of
those deficiencies in the vessels of the Galway Company
pointed ont by the Admiralty surveyors.
Lord ,STANLEY of ALDERLEY replied that the pro-
posal of contract had been accepted. 2. That the terms
were precisely the same as in the previous contract, except
that no member of either House of Parliament should be a
contractor, and the mails should be landed at St. John's,
Newfoundland. 3. The service would commence when the
company declared themselves ready. 4 and 5, his lordship
said, he would answer together. The terms of the contract
should be observed, and time should be kept.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last .Evening.
The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter after 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Edinburgh Water Bill was read a third time.
FORTIFICATIONS (PROVISIONS FOR
EXPENSES).

Mr. MASSEY brought up the report of the resolutions,
making provision for the expenses and payments to the
Bank of England, already agreed to.
The house then went into committee, and a clause to this
effect was embodied in the bill.
The house resumed.
UNION RELIEF AID ACTS CONTINUANCE
BILL.

On the motion for going into committee,
Mr. CHILDERS rose to move, "That, in the opinion of
this house, it is desirable that any monies raised under this
bill, by way of loan on the security of the rates in the dis-
tressed manufacturing districts, should be applicable to
assist emigration to such colonies as may be will-
ing to co-operate in carrying it out." He, for one,
had not much faith in the employment of the
distressed artisans on public works, believing that the
greater proportion of the money would go into the pockets
of the contractors and in the purchase of materials; but as
the general opinion of Lancashire was in favour of the plan,
he had felt it his duty to give it his support. Supposing
the war in America to shortly cease, it would take at least

four or five years before the cotton trade of Lancashire
could be restored to its former condition. For many years the
influx of people into the cotton districts had been at the rate

of 35,000 a year, and he attributed the great increase of
crime last year to the inability of these people to obtain a
living, and thus they became a component part of the
dangerous classes. The emigration from this country and
Ireland from 1852 to 1858 was far larger than in the four
or five preceding years. In the years 1860-1-2 there
had been a great falling off, so that in prosperous years
the emigration had been much greater than in those of an
opposite character. In the present year, however, there
had been a great augmentation of emigration. Acts of Par-
liament were in existence to enable parishes to assist the
irremovable poor and orphan children to emigrate by a
charge on the rates not to exceed one-half of the average
rates of the three previous years; but the adoption of such
a plan in order to relieve the distress in the cot-
ton districts would be but as a drop in the bucket.
By the adoption of his motion, as an addition to the
bill, parishes would be materially aided in promoting emi-
gration, and they would find that the colonies would readily
co-operate in so good a work. Many of their southern
colonies had ceased to a great extent to be pastoral, and now
presented a multitude of these mining and manufacturing
occupations which went so far to make up the wealth of

nations. Hence there was an ample field in our colonies
for the profitable employment of the distressed artisans in
the cotton districts. It was absurd to say that the English
mill hands could not stand the climates of our colonies in
the southern hemisphere, because they were particularly
adapted, on account of the genial warmth that prevailed,
the absence of snow, east winds, and fogs, to renovate the
impaired health of these artisans. Though numbers of emi-
grants had gone during the last year or two to Australia
the labour market had not been disturbed nor wages re-
duced. He contended that the " assisted" emigration he
proposed would be a great boon to the distressed cotton
hands, who, he was satisfied, were most desirous of emi•
grating. In the course of a year or two a sum of from
£200,000 to £300,000 would be available, out of colonial
tunds, for the promotion of emigration, provided the emi-
grants themselves contributed a little sum, He appealed to
the house to accede to his motion, and thus mitigate the
prevalent distress.
Mr. MARSH seconded the motion. He spoke from
great experience when he said that our colonies would be
glad to receive a great accession of emigrants. The colo-
nies did not want particular specialties in emigrants. If
they had good common sense and were willing to
work they would be sure to succeed. For
instance, in the _ old days of transportation,
it was found that London pick-pockets made the best shep-
herds. (Laughter.) He quoted statistics to show that
wages in Queensland were high, and food exceedingly
cheap, It was, too, a capital place for women, because there
were no chops (Laughter.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE supported 'the bill, because an ex-
ceptional resource was needed in the present extremity, and
he was satisfied that this was the best one that could at the
present juncture be devised for the relief of the distressed
cotton-workers. The emigration, under proper guidance
and protection, of women was exceedingly desirable, in
order to correct the present glaring disproportion of the
sexes in this country.

Colonel W. PATTEN denied that the Lancashire com-
mittee were hostile to the emitrtattoiou of the distressed cot-
hreeldienfoofrLdistressexPend money placed in
, hear.)
a foreign object not
tthoneirhiainandsd.s
felrltehye
The committee
indicated by the donors. (Hear,
were taking steps to guard against the distress that might
the winter,
wanoudld do their best to
apprehendedld believe
that i
Lithe hoped the house
wbeou
meet all the rational requirements of the distressed opera-
tives. (Ilear, hear.)
Mr. FE itIMND considered that the hon. member
Childers) IrOuld not succeed in carrying his metin(Mr.
the manufacturers had leagued themselves wiethtbhecaue
Gose
case
vernment to keep them in the vicinity of the mills, in -
their services should be required. It appeared that £460,000
out of the £1,000,000 subscribed had alone been devoted to
the operatives, making, with the £200,000 lately raised
under this bill, only 30s. per head on the 400,000 to 500,000
needing aid. There were actually 30,000 able-bodied men
out of employment in Lancashire, and he advised the local
committee to direct their attention to carrying them into
the districts where he knew for a fact there was at that mo-
ment a paucity of haymakers.
Mr. BAGWELL adverted to the lamentable distress
among agriculturists in various parts of Ireland, especially
in the west, and said the way the two classes of her Ma-
jesty's subjects—those in Ireland and in Lancashire—were
treated presented a remarkable contrast. Nothing was done
for the former, but if the Government did not afford these
!! i
poor people succour, he warned them that the people would
fail n their loyalty.
Mr. 111BBERT contended that the present state of the
law afforded every facility
• to parishes to aid in the emigra-
tionof distressed inhabitants.
land. willing to leave their native

Mr. ITILItEis
After *
a =ow words from Mr. ADDERLEY,
rotrvised the hon. member (Mr. Childers)
to withdraw
figures that
He proposed that there should be no
compulsory emigrati°ll'
howevoear, but that it should be quite optional.
He had not,
or the parishes suppor;er,
his
that either the operatives
bygreatly increased If If so, why interfere with
sthmotion. Then he clearly de-
monstratedhocinzeirtleman had stated pub-
emigration during the pre-
sent
year
had
what was going on ? The
licly that the colonies had
ouglutti:hehehe
of a million of money
ready for the promotion of ern-
igratiou. L
he hadhon,
de
rn oo t
thrieihtitiolot care to go
shown that such really was the cue,
mem-
ber had stated that he expected to b©
(.3eatli- . Re feared
this large sum. The mass of emigrannttesadr:
to Australia, but to America, and the
gentleman
quoted statistics in support of his sta
oPlTtuity.
the hon. gentleman had unfortunately Li,
humanity with his interest in Australia ; in fact, uP hie
ing to him, England's misery was Melbourne's
His opinion was that if employment could be found
the distressed operatives in this country it would be ill"
per to encourage emigration. Cotton operatives were ."2.
not
required in Victoria, and, indeed,. several of the colonies
had no need of such hands. It was the duty of Govern.
meat to see that men were not encouraged to leave their
nativo land unless they were well satisfied that they stood
a good chance of doing well in the future. It was useless
sending the operatives to Queensland or any other place
where there was not sufficient capital or channels of em-