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London, England, 1839-08-16 00:00:00

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were not properly represented. He moved that
,the Bill be
read a second time that day three months.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was about to rise, when
The Duke of RI CHMOND (one of the two or three Peers
left) cried " Question, question !" on which the Noble Marquis
resumed his seat, and _ _ .

Lord WYNFoRD said, as the Noble Marquis was not dis-
posed to'speak, he would, though at this late hour (past twelve)
make a 'few observations. He had objected originally to the
appointment of the Commissioners, believing them unnecessary,
considering their powers unconstitutional, and their authority
most injudiciously subversive of local institution.. And the
experience of the working of the measure which he had since
acquired. had convinced him of the truth of his a priori be-
lief—that this attempt to correct the old and admitted abuses
had quite failed. it had been said that the expense
would be diminished. But would any Noble Lord now de-
clare that the expense had generally, materially been reduced?
He was quite sure it was not.—( Hear, hear, from Earl Stan-
hope.) Nor had wages been raised—and that was the only
way of raising the condition of the labourer. In no way bad
it improved that class of the people. On the contrary, it had
excited general discontent ; and the poor were never generally
discontented without a cause This wide-spread discontent *as
founded on a real conviction of the ill administration of the
Poor-law. He did not say that the Legislature should bend
to popular clamour—but in this case there was a
just reason for the dissatisfaction of the people. The
Commissioners were always wrong in their law, and in their
law-suits were always defeated. They were nevertheless armed
with the power of making laws—the most dangerous power
that could be committed to any man. Their laws were un-
just, cruel, and oppressive. And as these laws would not, it
was well known, be altered while the Commissioners were in
power, he wished their powers to cease. The rigid prohibition
of out-door relief to able-bodied labourers was a most unjusti-
fiable enactment. A horror of the workhouse would inevitably
lower wages, disposing labourers to accept anything rather
than undergo the infliction. These considerations would lead
him to support the proposition of his Friend the Noble Earl.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he believed that the
continuance of the authority of the Commissioners was necessary
to maintain that new system of the Poor-law, which depended
for its efficiency on the control of some central authority, to
produce any thing like uniformity. It was from the convic-
tion that if the powers given to the Commissioners were sud-
denly withdrawn, those unions would cease to be formed that
were now in the course of operation—those workhouses, that
were of benefit to the parishes in which they were
introduced could not be erected, and could not be
brought into activity—( Hear, hear)—that a cessation
of the salutary operations of the Poor-law Amendment Act
would instantly take place, and that the war between the
labourer and his employer, and the litigation between parish
and parish for the purpose of endeavouring to throw burthens
from one parish to another, which had degraded the poor,
while at the same time it had crippled the exertions of the inde-
pendent labourer—it was from the conviction that all those
calamities would take place, if the Act that had been brought
into operation were suddenly discontinued, that the
pre-
sent Bill had been introduced. (Hear, hear.)_ With

respect to what had been said by the Noble and Learned
Lord opposite (Lord Wynford) he would state that he was
not prepared to admit that wages had in any degree diminished
in consequence of the Poor-law Act.—,( Hear, hear.) On the
contrary, he believed the wages of this independent labourer
had been raised.—(Hear, hear.) The amount of the deposits
in the savings banks had been increased, and last year there was
an increase of more than 50,000 depositors, and above
1,800,0001. deposits in the savings banks ; and on the authority
of Mr. Tidd Pratt he could state that that increase had taken
place to a greater degree in the rural districts than in any other
part of the country.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord STANHOPE replied. .
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and their Lord-
ships divided, when there appeared—
Contents
Non-Contents 2
Majority for going into Committee
Their Lordships then went into Committee, and the whole
of the clauses having been agreed to without amendment, their
Lordships resumed, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third
time to-morrow.
COLLECTION OF RATES BILL. _

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the second reading
of this Bill.
Earl STANHOPE wished to know the object of the Bill.
The Marquis of LANDSDOWNE said the Bill was merely
intended, without affecting local Acts, to carry into effect the
original intention of the Poor-law Amendment Act.
The Bill was read a second time.
The Earl of STANHOPE moved for some returns relative
tothe New Poor Law.—Ordered .
Their Lordships adjourned at a Quarter-past One.

SPORTIN G 1N TELLIGENCE.

TATTERSALI7S—YESTEUDAT.
ST. LEGER.
3 to 1 agst Bloomsbury—taken
3 to 1 agst Major Yarburg's Charles the Twelfth
9 to 1 agst Mr. Thornhiil's Euclid
18 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Hetman Platoff—taken
20 to 1 agst Marquis of Westminster's Lord Mayor
2.1 to 1 agst Mr. Golden's The Diver
30 to 1 agst Easingwold
30 to 1 agst Col. Cradock's The Provost
35 to 1 agst Lord Lichfield's The Corsair
1000 to 10 agst Mr. G. Clarke's Dragsman—offered
THE CUP.
3 to 1 agst Mr. Ferguson's Harkaway—taken
A thin room and very little betting.

LEE RACES-THu It SDAY.

The Borough Stakes of 5 sous. each, and twenty-five added, for
horses of all ages. Heats twice round and a distance. The
winner to be sold for 801., &c.
Mr. Coleman's b g Stag, aged, 9st (Coleman, Jun.) 1 1

Mr. Becher's f Pelisse,-3
yrs, 7st
Mr. Finche's b h Brockampton, 4 yrs, Bst, 41b 2 3
Mr. Smith's ch h Pedlar, 4 yrs, 9st, 3lb
Mr. Bacon's ch g Forester, 3 yrs, 7st 4 dr
First heat won by three-quarters of a length, and the second
cleverly.
The Hunters Stakes of three sovs. each, with 20 added from
the fund, for all horses not thorough bred, twice round and a
distance, over six leaps, &c., were won in two heats by Mr.
Gibb's Edmund, 5 yrs., llst., beating Mr. Theobald's Blue
Ruin, 5 yrs., I Ist. 71b., by a length.
A Free Handicap, once round and a distance, and won in.
two heats by Blue Ruin.