The Sun.
London, England, 1837-05-13 00:00:00

Lord STANLEY was happy to see that praiso be-
stowed upon the harmony with which this debate had been
conducted was justified up to the present moment, for the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Member for Kilkenny
accorded with the views of the Member fur the University
of Dublin (Mr. Shaw). Notwithstanding what he had
heard, he could not bring his mind to conclude that any
plan of relief not based upon a principle of settlement,
could be satisfactory. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman
the Member for Kilkenny objected to the Bill, as involv-
ing in its provisions a law of settlement, but leaving the
application of it to the Commissioners. The Hon. and
Learned Gentleman denied a legal right to relief, but
admitted the moral and religious right, and laugh:d at the
Hon. Member for Southwark, because he 'would give the
right to relief, and at the same time the right to refuse i..
He (Lord Stanley) admitted that, in this respect, tho Bill
halted, and that the experiment was a dangerous one. Go-
vernment should have made up their mind upon this prin-
ciple before the Bill was introduced. Ile must say a few
words as to the bearing of this measure on the clearing of
estates. He was favourable to that principle, as
to diminish pauperism and to better the condition of the
tenants who might remain on an estate. He expended
large sums to promote emigration from a property he had
in Ireland. Previously to this the rents were not paid at
all ; but in consequence of a reduction in the numbers on
the estate, they were now regularly paid. He was aware
that great difficulties had arisen from the law of settle=
ment, but they were found not to be insurmountable.—
( Hear, hear, hear.) In Scotland there was the law of
industrial settlement ; and if the funds collected voluntarily
to answer the purpose were found insufficient, would any
man tell him that there did not exist a power in Scotland
to- lay on an assessment ? There was, therefore, a law of
settlement in Scotland, and he was not aware that it ope-
rated in any material degree as an interruption to emigra-
tion. The Scotch system might have its advantlges and
inconveniences, but some system was preferable to none.
Unless a principle of settlement was introduced in the Bill
he feared that evil would he introduced where good was
intended.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL had paid great attention to
the debate. The Noble Lord (Stanley) said there were
two opinions, settlement or no settlement, and that Go-
vern►uent should have determined upon one or the other
before they itAroduced the Bill. His (Lord J. Russell's)
conviction was that the law of Elizabeth was not intended to
confer a right to relief, and that it did not confer it; and that
was it not for the law of Charles 11. the evils complained of,
as arising from the law of Elizabeth, would never have ex-
isted. The labourer was not permitted to leave his parish,
and hence arose much of the evil. The Commissioners con-
sidered the old law of settlement as an evil, and it was for
that reason they recommended unions, giving it as their opi-
nion that they would have the effect of removing nine-tenths
of the inconveniences, and that eventually the law of settle-
meat might be got rid of entirely. There was this other ob-
jection to the principle of settlement in Ireland that it must
be accompanied with a provisian for removal which would be
most mischievous. One of the ill consequences of settlement
in this country was, that farmers and others would not give
employment to labourers beyond a certain time, to avoid
creating a right of settlement. His Noble Friend said the
Bill might operate as an inducement to eject tenan:s. If
the Noble Lord's suggestion were adopted it would restrict
still more the market for labour.

Mr. WYSE was not satisfied with any of the arguments
which had been advanced against a law of settlement.
Lord SA NDON thought that, as a law of settlement
would be come to by the Guardians or Commissioners, or
what would have the same effect, he was for trusting its
framing to the wisdom of Parliament rather than to the
caprice of those functionaries.

After a few words from Mr. HARDY, Sir E. HAYES, and
Mr. CHALMERS,
Mr. LUCAS shortly replied.
The House then divided, and there appeared—
For the motion
Against it
Majority
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Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that the House resolve
itself into Committee on the Bill on Friday next.
Agreed to.

WAYS AND MEANS.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
CHEQUER the House then resolved itself into a Corn-
mittee of Ways and Means.

On the question that 11,000,000/. be voted for Exche-
quer Bills for the service of his Majesty fur 1837,
Mr. GOULB URN entered his protest against the prin-
ciple which appeared to guide the Right Hon. Gentleman
in regard to Exchequer Bills.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER con-
sidered that, with respect to the unfunded debt, the House
ought to know how it stood when the vote was taken. He
maintained that the measures he had taken-had tended to
decrease the debt. He had felt it would be useful that
that part of the unfunded debt which was capable of being
converted into stock should he applied as he had applied
it. During the last fifteen months the reduction in the
amount of Exchequer bills had been no less than 4,991,4501.,
and such a reduction could not but be acceptable to the
House. The course he had taken on this-vote was in
unison with one which had been adopted by the Right
Hon. Baronet in March, 1835. No more money had been
supplied from the Sinking Fund than the Sinking Fun had
during the interval produced. He was conscious he had
only given the Right Hon. Gentleman an imperfect answer,
but he was ready to give a fuller one on any future occasion,
and at any time when he could do so at an earlier period of
the night.

Mr. GOULBURN said that there appeared, from the
papers he held in his hand, to have been a greater sum paid
off in the quarter beginning the sth of April than could have
been paid off in the time.

Col. SIBTHORP called the attention of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer to the fact that there would be a falling
off in the malt duty in the present quarter of 300,0001.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
aware of the circumstance, and a duty like the malt duty
was naturally liable to such a falling off. •
The conversation then ended.

Col. SIBTHORP gave notice that he would on the sth
of June move for a Select Committee to inquire in:o the
public Commissions.

- The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned (till Wednesday next) at a Quarter to
One o'Clock.

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.

(From the London New Price Current of May 12. )
SUGAR.--Although the importers of British plantation have
submitted to a decline on last week's rates era to lg., yet the
demand from both the grocers and refiners has been again very
moderate ; sales privately of Berbice of ord. brown quality have
been made at 503. to 51s. ; Trinidad 525., with a little colour,
53e. 6d. to 545. 6d. ; Tobag►oes, mid., with 'some heavy and
dark 555. ; Demerara, Grenada, and Jamaica, 565. to 575.,
good 58s. to 60s. ; fine Antiguas 61s. to 625. ; and Demerara,
manufactured on a new principle, being white and showing a
large chrystallised grain, at 70s. For refined goods, the
market still continues in a dull state, and prices r.re on the de-
cline, they now being 6d. to Is. under those of this day week.
The grocers as well as the shippers have purchased very spar-
ingly. Small sales of double. Crushed have been made at
325. 6d. to 335. ; Lumps to pus the standard, at 745., and
those rather under at 735.

Matiarrtuv.—This afternoon 1,209 bags at auction found
buyers at fully previous prices, good mid. yellow ith strength
at 555. to 585., mid. rather dingy for the pan at 523. 543.
EAST INDIA.—This afternoon a public sale of 930 bales Ben-
gal sold at the short price, and went at about last sale's prices,
fine white sold at 31s. to 335. 63., damps 285. to 28s. GI.,
and 245. 61. to 255. 6d. for washed.

FOREIGN.—The public sale this afternoon of 145 cases and
12 boxes and barrels Bahia went off at good prices, soft whit()
at 293., good dingy gray 31s. 6d., inferior rather damp 28s.
to 295. 6d., mid. brown and yellow 17s. 61 to 195., washed
14s. to 235. 61

COFFEE.-This afternoon, at public sale, 671 bags Ceylon,
admissible for consumption at the 6d. duty, went at a further
reduction of is., fair and good ord. sold at 61s. 61 to 635.,
86 bales Mocha were only partly disposed of at former rates,
common brown 635., the remainder was taken in, ragged at
675. 6(1., good mid. 83s. to 83s. 61 ; 53 casks and 56 bans
British Plantation, which being all of unclean quality, for
which there is still no demand, it was taken in, mid. Deme-
rara at 89s. to 80s., fine fine ord. 655. to 755. ; 90 bags Ba-
tavia were taken in at 375. 6d. for good pale, and 14 bags
good brown Sumatra at 325.
Coco*.-155 bags Bahia went at 30s. 6d. for good, and
40s. 6d. for fine. At auction this day 292 bags Trinidad were
chiefly taken in, grey at 435. to 465. ; a few lots went at 445.
to 475. for good grey and red, being steady prices.
Rem.--300 puns. Jamaica and 300 puns. Leewards, the
former 18 per cent, over proof at 3s. 2d., 27 over 3s. 4d, to
3s. 6d., 29 to 31 over 3s. 7d., 32 to 33 over gs. Bd., 34 to 35
over 3s. 91 to 3s. 11d., fine marks 4s. Id. to 4s. 41 ; of this
description there are but few parcels in the market ;_ the latter
4 to 5 over 2s. 3d. to 2s. 4d., 6 to 8 over 25.. 5d., 9 to 14
over 2s. 6d., 15 to 16 over 2s. 7d., 18 to 20 over 2s. Bd. to
2s. 81d., 28 to 29 over 3s. Id , 30 to 35 over 3s. 2d. to 3s. 4d.
011s.-Cod at 39/. to 401., Pal.) Seal 44/., yellow amid
brown 38/. to 421., and Southern 33/., Linseed Oil for home
consumption 305., Palm for home consumption 301. 10s. to 311.
PaovistoNs.-The importation of Mess Beef is close upon
2,000 trs. less than last year, and prices would have been
of Hamburg India Beef im-
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Beef being delivered, an
ported, b
advanco of Ss. a Is. mid. is expected on Mess Beef. For old
Irish Butter there has been very little demand, Dutch has
sold briskly, and the best Friexlatid hati.klyslicel to 88s. Ba-
con reraains firm in price, but there is still little doing. Lard
has experienoed a dull sale, an prices are rather lower.
TEA.--The periodical sales Free Trade Tea have termi-
nated. In comparing the present sales with those of March,
we perceive the following alteration in prices, via., Canton
and Fokien Bohea have declined id to Id. per lb. Coitgous
(with the exception of the finest blackish leaf kinds, which
sold at full prices, there being but few of them this time) are
generally id. to id. Souehongs have been hardly gale-