The Sun.
London, England, 1830-03-02 00:00:00

marines, he had accounted for. an increase of $,OOO nen
in our naval force of the present year as compared with
1817. He might here observe, that since 1817
events had occurred in the Mediterranean which were
i.ot foreseen at that period, and which einsequently
were not then provided for. lie would add, that our
naval force must partly depend urn that of ether Powers :
and that last summer Russia had six sail ef the line, France
or seven, and England eielit sail of the line in the
Mediterranean. Surely our proportion was not too much
for a gre t maritime lower to maintain under such cir-
cumstances. It wes not too much when it was considered
that Russia had assumed a belrgereut aspect towards
Tu'rkey.—(llear.)—But Government had taken the
earliest opportunity of reducing its force, as far as it could
consistently with the public interest and safety. In the
last summer (although we had asked for only 30,000 men
fur the navy) necessity required that we should hare
32,000. Thus the actual reduction of men in the present
estimate was not merely a reduction of 29,000 from a pre-
vious force of 30,000, but of 29,000 from 32,000, giv-
ing an actual reduction of 3,000 men in the department of
the navy. The squadron in the Mediterranean would ac-
count for an addition of 5.300 meta upon the force of 1817,
5,300 being employed in the Mediterranean is the summer
more than at the beginning of the year. Adding this in-
creased force of 5,300 to the 3,000 marines, we accounted
for an increase of 8,300 in 1830 above the estimate of
1817. Then came the whole of the coast blockade, wilidt
did not exist in 1817. It was perfectly true that the coast
blockade was not to be considered as merely belonging to
the navy—it was a guard against smuggling, and was pre-
pared to perform a double service in case necessity re-
quired ; in such a case we coeld call them to mail out
guard-ships.—(Hear.)—The coast blockade accounted for
an increase of 2,200 men ! which, added to the preceding
items, gave an addition of 10,500 (so accounted for) upon
the force of 1817. It only remained to mention the
packet service, which was, however, merely a transfer
from the Post-office to the Admiralty. It accounted
for an increase of 700 teen in ' the navy. We
had thus an increase in the present year, as com-
pared with 1817, of 11,200 men fully and satis-
factorily accounted for; and GovernMent might have
fairly added to the navy by that amount; but so great
an increase had not been made; a reduction of 1,200 men
was made in some other reepeets, so that the total increase
of 1830 upon 1827, aritotanted 'the naval department to
10,000 men : the difference between 29,000 at the pre-
sent, and 19,000 at the former tieriod. Looking at the
events of the last two years--at the station which we
ought to hold as a maritime power—at the oecurr..nces in
the Mediterranean—at the dimensions in South America,
as by possibility affecting our colonies--seeing the colli-
sions between South American vessels and our own—.
looking at the war between Brazil and Buenos Ayres—at
the fact of the new States of America not always adhering
very scrupulously to the legitimate laws of warfare of
which they Were partly ignorant, to which they were,
perhaps, partially indifferent--looking at the nature of
the warfare carried on there--considering all these things,
it did seem necessary to have a strong naval force to eon-
trout excesses in one quarter and observe the issue of events
in another.—(Hear, )+ear.) if gentlemen were aware of
the repeated complaints made at the Admiralty, they
would think that an increase in the navy was less to be
deprecated than a decrease, which would not afford
sufli-
cnent protection to our trade and commerce. All these
circumstances made out a prima fade vase for an increase
of our naval force. He trusted that the Hon. Baronet
would persist in his vote of trenettre upon Ministers, of
which he had twice given notiee, in order that they
might have the sense of the House upon it. They should
then see if Government deserved public reprobation
for making an immediate saving of 1,0001. a year,
by separating the officee of President td the Board of
Trade and Treasurer of the Navy, acid for arranging a
prospective saving by those means of 2,2001., by doing
away with the contingent advantage of Paymaster of the
Nivy.—(Hear.)—He could not refer to the alteration
without regretting the opportunity that gave Ike to it,
It increased the attachment and regret which he felt fur
his Right Hon. Friend the late President of the Board of
Trade, when he recollected that it was by his assiduous
attention to the discharge of his public duties and labours
that his health became unfortunately reduced to that state
which rendered it impossible for him to continue longer
in office. A man of his experience, activity, and talents,
found himself by the tenure of these two offices (of Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade and Treasurer of the Navy),
such a victim to over-exertion and anxiety arising out of
his attention to the duties of them, that he was obliged to
press upon his colleagues, against the will of every one of
ould ,
at. ce
ntw,
excessive
them, the necessity of his retirement, 11e could not con-
public
to
ceive a more powerful proof of the necessity. of separating
those two •officea, as GovernMent hod done. Nothing
could have been more easy for Ministers than' to ill up the
offices as before. If they had dope so, there, would not
have been one word of complaint, but they'Separated the
offices because the joint labour wao, too great, and be-
cause they wished to effect a public saving. He hoped
when the House came to the consideration ofy .the
tiHibb
liberal
Honourable
last
aafbneldwe Baronetseynelaarsr:eenlarged
subjectingvimotion,view
theyb
would recollect what . been the sonseqweeees;;Aie
labour and exertion.—(Hear, hear.)—Aa a pool' of the
spirit of ecanomy which actuated the Government, he
should mention that the Comptrollership of Army ac-
counts bad become vacant by death, and instead of show-
ing a wish to appoint any body to the office, Alinistets,
allowed it to remain vacant, thus effecting a considerable
saving for the public. He night also take this occasion
to state a circumstance which reflected infinite honour
upon the present Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, That
Noble person, taking into consideration the amount of the
salary of his high office (27,000/.), and that it had been
raised since 1797, as he a turned, in consequence of the in-
creased pi ice of articles of consumption and the dimiuished
value of money, of his own accord submitted a proposition
to Government to reduce his alloWance from 27,0001. to
20,0001. a year, making a reduction of 7,0001 per annum
upon the sa'ary of one office alone.—(Hear,
hoar. )--Under
such circumstances be trusted, when the House came to
dispose of the vote of censure upon Government to be pro-
posed, and which had been twice postponed, by the Hots.
Baronet, that they would hear in mind the reductions that
had been made--the whole course of policy Adopted by
Minieters—and above all, that they would not forget,
whatever was the amount of expenditure of the present
year, that Government had manifeated no disposition to
retain any part of the expenditure connected with patro-
nage.—(Cbeers.)
Sir J. GRAHAM said the Right Hon. Gent, seemed
disposed to taunt him for postponing his motion he would
shortly state his reasons for its postponement. Wben
ho
first heard of the appointment of lifr. F. Lewis, he was
forcibly struck by the discrepancy between the resolution
proposed and carried by Ministers as au amendment on Ilia
own motion, and their conduct in disposing of the Trea-
surership of the Navy. The resolution of :Ministers was,
"that it is the opinion of this House that in every esta-
blishment of the state every saving ought to be made con-
sistently with the due performance of the, public service,
and without the violation of existing engagements;" this
" existing engagements" hetween Go-
Right HOD. Member far Radnorshire,
was agreed to on time 12th of February, and on rho 15th
ebtishnieoplace on the 12th of February, which
the appointment sf Mr. F. Lewis took place. It was clear
have been if he had it sea newly appointed
ifvtioleetrracontztulvliwedurtaenswaointendr
Treasurer of the Navy, earl voted on the motion. As,
to the public service, Ile denied that it would be Wise-.
fitted by the change, 'the question was, could ant a
public saving have been effected by adding the Treaestrership
of the Navy to the office of Chancellor of the Duely of Lan-
caster, to that of First Commissioner of Woods and
Forests, or to the Vice-Presidency of that sand of Trade?
t( vote of censure" 'upon Ministers,
—(Hear.)—Again, he said the Woks Hata. Secretary
taunted him with postponing hie 'lotion, -the sibjeet
he assured the Right Hon; Ca'ent/erean (notwithstanding-
the explanation offered on the subject) he pledged biarself
that the sense of the House should be taken oat the 'gum_
in
to, do was, to bring forward a tion. The night Hons tient/mina might be je,stified
calliu Qu, bin) to bring forward his motion l'.filtt he should
Iniyhahtaiviee
pac.aoLle(liseid%
resolu-
tion t4cen3emnatory of the mode *.n 'which the office of
Gentleman woold
Tree.renser of the Navy had reee'atly been filled tsp." 11,
ado that (move a vote of
did not say that he was prepeseei propose a.. vote of
the time Was near, but
should not take the
mode of doing it.--(HeN.,).—
‘ecrnveeininltessnuit:
erri
censure
':n:,;4ruitidi4ihele%Ru4egsi,gvh.sit:44fiiti),ll7,liztaupshiso,ii,
Right Honourable Gentletnatea advice as to the time or
Oansidering that the Bos-
phorus and Dardene;tes werein the possession of Russia,
that France vets erns mg in the Ibteiterranean and the
Chtbmek,.-rthat, the. fate of th ministry of Prince Polignao
veal now upon the balance,--thet it wits supposed to Itv
tettering' to its fall,---And that it was a cabinet whieh was
generally auppo,:4(right ex wrong) to have emanal4 hone
the influence (4 Ole ttri,tish Government,—viewin all these
cireutnetances, and looking at our-foreign polity and rely-
tipn,s, he was not prepared to vote for a reduction of seen
in the navy ; but was nevertheless for voting the pseseamt
estimates only for six; months, by which time be laeped that,
according to the favourite phrase, all the clouds that rakes,
overhung, Ow !aor4on might be dissipated, mei when
(eat ;AWN ct our foreign kolich new etedieeety wimice3