The Sun.
London, England, 1808-03-29 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY, mArtcn 28,
The Usher of the Black, Rod .having summoned
the House to the Ileuse of Veers, the Speaker and a
number of; Memberviccordingly attended; "On
their return, the Speaker-informed the House, that.
the Royal Assent had tieenziven,(by Commission, to
s4veral public and private Bills, (for which see our
report of the proceedings in the House of Lords.) .
A Message, from the Lords,' requested, thauttiotp
House of .Commons would comMunicate to thentl
the evidence that had been heard at:their Say, in
sopport of
,the Petitioni Against the Orders in Coln)",
tail, from London, Liverpool, and Manchester.- Tie!
Messengers were inforMed, that the House w 0,4141
return 'an answer by t&Messenger of their own.

.Mr. Binpur..yu,,the Chaim- tan of the Committee
alpoirt,l4 to take into consideration the Petition
compi.ohing of an undue return for the Borough of
Peurhyn, reponecl, that the Situng Member, Mr.
Charles Bell, was duly eleacd, and that the said
frivolous avid vexatious.

Mr. ..I.lderrnap Sumv brought in a Bill for en-
whlely was read a. hrst
ordered to be read a second time.

v.lf, Pll7, the Clint-man of the Committee,
orpottited to 10;.e Into consideration the Petition
conifitititlitig of an 111)iltla return for the Borough Of
Barling, reported that Mr. A. Campbell, the Sitting
Metiiher, wits duly eleested,,od that the,said Peti-
t:l9n did not appear,lo them, to be frivolous or vexam.
tieos. , • •

Mr. Sheriff, StkitTji 'presented a Petition from the
r,ord Nlayfx, Aldermen, and Commons of Londony,
Galan...l) C. 1111,.:i4 assembled, against ihe'Dill,4fig
building a l'irldf;e,over ►be Thames„ in the Preei-peila
Ow Savoy ; laliying to be, heard by Counsok!
ttie 4M111:. iteiert,Jl -to the Committee on
the

utim:L„,.,iemed number of iNfeinbers obtained
,ib-ituio :tcconnt of iU health ; inuotig
I\ll.-\\lm.itthro,

tlic Dublin Police 13111 was
Ps' P""cl to
00 Opt of Sir C. Pra.v,,' a return watt
lteloco the; 'of-the 'number
)earb 011 ti itvi,on holding ;:to office or etOttlop,..
wont it, fy ill. Naval Asyl'ant, under the Gover,'
nor, Iw.! hts ntje,ty at sea, or been bornPi
~/, 04, e,,,,0rit...01,9a atty of hiy Iviajesty's,
;is jams it or the oifices which he now held.
1041v11(1,0ot GI the Naval .Asyltnn.
(hoetal rfAitt.rToN pres,ltteci a Petition from the'
3)ebtor!i tho 61.' i,iVerpoOl, praying
Jut to.lie on the table.

ritl3ll Exvi,:ssEs.
P. its nauion on -this sub-
tour years above 25,0001: had.
hec .-.L-Maiter,Generatof Great Bri-
Dio, itiL; ...tablisliment of, Government Et-
prcs,..e's Loadoti-to Duain ~ without any earlia-
Metitary tvitnol wisi)eci, to know t heretbre
uncl.4 what authority that suin had been.. paid.:.
,wiAied. alio ito obt,in information respetting: the
stops intended to be taken for the improvement,of
014., rezidin. cornipuni;;;itiou,,,by Mails and Packets
be'i.ween London and 'He repeated the
tit '.rtii@iitlt which' he Made op '1
fernier' 'night, re-
,spi±tiiti:,; the exclusive communications which had
ina4o before by the Irish Governme4 to the
Editor oft' Duldia Newspaper, by which he. was
enabled to anticipate his cetcmporaries
~and 'con—
terided that such a praetice must inevitably ruin the
other Irish" Paper and materially injure the liberty.,
of 0,0 pies& fie trusted, therefore, to the candour
atiil heitraity.of the ilon. .13aronet,. that he would
abinhluti this obnusinui; pra4ice, fie moved that
there he laid tielore the House a Return, sheering by
i,mthocity the Post-Mtor-General.of Prelit
BritAin ho paid the stem 01 25,0 1, for Govertp,
main ha,pros,cs between. f.ontion 'and Dublin, abut,
tiit (4 `jatitply, )804, to the Ist of January,
. -
A Ri'll UR WELL/W.IT said be had no
_ , , ,
oi):_!:tion to tile -110“4“!0?) pi toe Pipers wpm) the
Gentleman:had, mead for thete .w 44.
Arc (4 the, subject to whicl4lhcjintl Alefiltlut
114.1 4'.4,,r0i which be 4011e:the itould not be dl

related Co the i'mproi;ement of the regular commu-
nication by, the Packets between- Holyhead and
Dublin. This subject had 'for some tithe occupied
'the attention of Government. It was his intention,'
• tvliilelle remained in town, to communicate -whit

-his Mitjesty's PostmMtets General. upon this point ;
Sand an Hon. Friend of his had some time ago brdught
1. hi. a Bill in order to facilitate tbe communication by.
Skta between the two countries. Under these oircurny
sjatybs,- h hoped the 1 Gentlemanwould not
on.

I feel it necessary to call upon the House to take up
I ,this part of the' case. With respect :to the other
',topic to which the Hon. Member had alluded, he
had really flattered himself that he fully satisfied the
:House upon• the ttubjed when it' was mentioned„
`Open a for Mer occasion. It seemed to him rather
extraordinary that the. Hon. Gentle Man should irt-
•sist that when an express was sent over from Eng-
land to Ireland he should not receive A newspaper
by that egress', or . that when he had received, that,
).Itewspaper,,lte might not dispose of it as he
,:thought::ptoper. With rt.-t,,peCt to the fa& of' the
tiewspapers So received being given tci the Edi-
tor. of a newspaper , in Dublin, he had only 'to,
repeat- what lie had before stated, that as it was
thought proper the public should have as early in-
telligence as!pctssible, whenever a Paper was receiv-
ed, it Was•Senti after it had been read, to an Irish
Newspaper Office, in order that its contents might
be made public. The lion. Gentleirian seemed to
think that the intelligence ought to be sent round to
all Irish Papers, but he really was not aware hoW
he could send one Paper to several Offices. As to •
the seleaion of that Paper, the reason of it was, he
believed, that was the only daily Evening Paper
published in Dublin. It had no leaning towards
Government, and was wholly unconnected with
it; therefore there could he nu other obje& iu send:.
in the. English'. Newspaper to that Office, than a
wish to communicate such intelligence as might ar-
rive, 'to the
,people of Ireland; ;IS early .as'possible.
Mr. p.4-,BIVE L acquiesced in the wish express-
etd by tho.Hoctentable the; commence-
41ent OfhApleeett. On the other part Of the sub-
,Ff:t„it appeared to him, that although one set of Pa,
tetfonicl only be sent to one place, it would be an
Leasz,m,attertOtit the'different Editors have access to
iniste.,l strongly on the injurious
009, ?tht,! present sYstem.of partiality must
neCesqly%tnroduec, both on the e
.intlividuals imm-
diately aftdefca, and on the I, WI public at large.
The'motion was then agreed to, us were also two
subsequent motions by the same Honourable Gentle-
men~ •fora Account of any Sums that had been re,‘
paid tothe Post Master General, and by what,autho-
rity?,andlor an AccOunt of the Expence of King's
Messenarkfram taut; to 1804; &C.

TURKISH' CORRESPONDENCE.
CAW XING presented the Correa-
Pridencebbetween Mr. Secretary Fox and Mr. Ar-
buthnot, the British Minister at The Ottoman Porte,
pqrsnont to an order Of the House.t-Ordered to be
printed. .
• ' DECLAR ATION. '
•- "Mr. IFIV7III4E4D wis4d to put a question to
• the RightiEoo.G6etlembit opposite. • In answer to
a •former question on th same subject, he.had un-
derstood the Right Hon. Gentleman to say, that
there had been.no coninninication to this. Country
tioin the Court of Vientia,between the:Menths of,
April and Oaohcr last. lei the Austrian Oeciaration,
his Imperial Majesty decl..4ed: that colgimiiint
vinced of the expediency of a genera pacification,
he had, in the month of July,. inade an' application
on the subjealo,the Court of London, to which ap,
placation an answer had been •returned, • which an-
swer his Imperial Majesty had afterwards reason to
conclude was evasive: He Wished therefore again to.•
ask 'the Right • Honourable Gentleman, whether.
arty communication hacl adnally taken place, of
that nature, within the 'period described ? The
Istro • Courts were at issue on the point, and
the ,ptiblic was entitled to know the lad. He
had another question to ask, the answer to which
-would regulate his coodud with respett to giving any
notice of motion on .the sUbjea. It related to the
prod thou of the article mentioned in that House
the other eveninghy a Noble Lord, who had creat-
ed very extraordinary surprise by ---
The SPEAKER begged the H. e, Gentleman to
confine himself to the•simple question, and not to
make it an argumentative question.
, Mr. /11H/TBRifaiD was only desirous of know-
ing whetherthat article had been sent home by the
Noble
,Lord and was still in existence. He would
Ask the Noble Lord., whom he saw in his • pktee,..
rmtheiher the expeeti•iion Which lie had .quoted on,a

vfecolt livit pour le monleilt inenaga
a 4 having been used in conversation
with by persqp, of, very high rank ,ut,t4e,
Court of. St. Peterihitith,. was ever • communicated
,hyllita to his ,Majtsty's Ministers at home beCause
„it, it existed 40)1'1,4:Ater to the. Secretary of, State, be
should unquestioi;ably move for it.
Mr. Secretary CANN/AG deelared, that .no otli
, ciat'commuttication had been received by his Ala-
jesty's Ministers ti.oin the Court of Vienna, except
at the periods specified in the Papers on the table pf
the House. - Ile had formerly stated, that within 'the
period described by the Hen, GePtlerpan,seurne com-
munication hall beep made to his Majestyls
raters by Count. Stahrentherg, but the compunica
(ion was unofficial, and was not of the nature al-,
haled to by cite . Hen. Gentjeatah, Witlt • relive&
to the other ytestion he had no doubt but that the ,
Noble Lord would readily:give every satisfaclion in,
his power on the silbjeet. 1,

Lord ernGo , sis 7 We' prefiume,' replied to Mr.
Whitbread's citleation; bur his Lordship spike in So
lovia
,tooe of voice, that' he was inaudible, in the
Gallery.
RI:VERSIONS,
BAN-t ES roses. its puritlance Mike,
ifleilegan by. observingillun in the Bill forprevent-
ltig fthe Grant of. Reversions- by the. Crowri, be had
had tWo principal, objeds in view. The .firsmas,
'the general national obje6l of **considerable import-
gnat at all times; liarnely,4 the inexpediency to the
public
,service 'or perniitting the cdatinuance of the
practice, as tending unduly' to iocrease•lbu Royal
Prerogative, and also.to 'prevent the most it persons
front being 6dd:fed to tin tip vacant offices,
aetond principal objed was financial, and more iin-
mediately comie6ted 'With the progress of the 'Con)-
Mittee in whose recommendation the Bill which
lately passed that 'House' originated:-I,t this
view it 'was de,irable to prevent' the Continuance of
thee praetietp). as calculated to 'fernovo to. a &tenter

I.O• I.• WA./ •••••• •••• ••.. 7 .. 41.,••••,, 161.,0 .....

I might otherwise gain froth "the Report of the Com-
!' mittee ~i),,tld • that Repnrt specify offices which, in
the'oeietee of the Committee, ought to be emire-
L ly 31.;:,.;,5h-e, and other otliceS, the emoluments of
whiedi ot,ght ,considerably to be retrenched. Ir'
what lie was going 16 propose, he begged to
landers',oed,,,that- he did' not in the smallest degree',;
,depart from his former opinion with regard to the
.first Of.these priucipal objects, and he trusted that
the,House of Commons, who in the last Parlia-
Mere, by an unanittiodS Resolution, and •tice itt
the er,.sent Parliament 'by a -Most general Resolu-
tion, had concurred with him' en the subject, were
atedispesed to depart '-from the 'opinion.
which they ,had expressed. But he was one of
those who were Willies to do all the prat:beat •
good they Could -when they 'could not do all they-
wished', and. in that spirit •he had 4ramed the me-
tion which he meant to submit to the House... ,He
had resolved to move •Ibr• a opera-.
lion; that an opportunity might be 'given 'to Ike-,
Financial CO)peettee to examine arid report fully
on the Various offices that had beau granted in
.reversion. :He 'had other reasons for so • doing.; •
in the first place; it would be iecompatibleivith farm
to move again, during the present Session,v.for •;pre-
cisely the same'Bill that had been rejected.blliesides,
the Committee 'who had inspetted the l.ords'
dour-
nats, though in their report theyctailined them-
selves to tins specific object of their appointment,
-.had inspeCted the' general minutes of their Lord-
ship? proceedings, and found that an Amendment,
limiting the operation of the Bill in point of time,
bad been suggested in the Committee upon it. He
always averse to causing any dispute between
tie two Houses of Parliament.; .much more. in -titue
of difficultras the present wits, he was; anxious that
the most hat pious co-operation should exist he-
- tweet) those:co-ordinate branches.of the Legislature.;
therefore, as' loilgAs. principle was 'not sacrificed, he
'was ready to. sacrifice something to preitid*tifor the
security of such a desirable object. • Beforo tyre
railer of,the Bill expired, circurnstaticesenight arise
to remove theiirejtuliee of which he oompleitled.--
In mean time the other object of the. measure.
might be obtaiped. It was one of considerable meg-
' nitude, ns conneded 410 t only with the general rime,
Lion of public economy, but witb:Aliat subject of,
which he trusted the House.woUldinever lose sight,
their right to limit•the Influence of the Crown.
With,. regard, to the prerogative of the Crown, be
,highly, respeiaed that prerogative, as vested'in tiie
Crown for the benefit of the people, but he did
not carry his respect fbrit solar as not• to - condemn
the exercise of it withal)), other 'view. This pre,
rogative of the Crown had increased ef latedays
considerably. For one office which a tly prudent Mali
wiitild recommend/ should 'be abolished, text ,new
ones had :been created. The public, he allowed,
was under•a delusion with respect to the number, ,of
sinecure ottices,.which was not so great as had been
generally:represented. He admitted also, that the
holders,ofofficial public situations4vere by .11041101135.
overpaid rite their exertions, Still, howeveri,ithere.
were kome offices which it was highly
.probable the
• Committee would recommend to be abashed ; a
recotrimendation. that Must -be rendered nugatory
unless some such Bill as that he was about' to sub-
mit to the House were agreed to. it uelt greater
abuses had, taken place for some years past in grant-
ing Reversions of pensions than or places, but both
•required I:instigation. He concluded by moving
forleave to bring in a Bill to prebibit the grantingof
offices in reversion for joint- lives, with benefit of
survivorship, for a time to be limited.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
though he: bad ne objeelien whatever to the motion
of hiskion. Friend, thought it 'but candid to 'state
to him, that in all probability he should feel its. to be
his duty to. propose several'amendinenta to the
ill its progress through the Hotise. He agreed fully
with the Hon. Gentleman as to the expediency or
preserving.„; good imderstanding' between the two
• Houses of Farliatnent n.lO theriffore, although he,
allowed that there were obje&s of ;tech importance,
that:even the.risene of a breach ought to be in-
curred rather than they should he abandoned, yet as
be had always considered the present measure as of
no ',"very great importance, and. had always 139
pressed himself upon it, lie would rather oppose its
produClion than admit it, were he 'apprehensive that
such an unpleasant consequence would ensue. • But
it was probable the Bill might'be so framed as to
answer all ,the chief obje&s of the persons most tit-
taelied to the Measure, and nethe'sainetinie be ex-
empted frOM !opposition -elsewhere., It was in that
view he meant to recommend his amendments. 'His
Hon. Friend' bad stated, and he wished it could. have
beee stated more regularly, that ail' amendment to
.the last Bill had been proposed in the Conifilittee of
the I louse. of Lords", by which amendment hie:tileaut
to be regulated in the construaion 'tlielpiiesent
Now, as that amendmeht had been:negatived,
to proceed upon it 'in the formation'of the• Present
Bill':appeared to him to be,the sure way.oi incurring
thetevil which it was so desirable' to avoid: One of
the great•Objeaimis alsokthat had 'been made to the
'Bill in another place, was; that it destroyed a ptero-.•
gatiVe of.the Crown, Without stfch a previous in-
quiry into a demonstration of abuse, as weal war.'
rao!!l'arliarnent in • their interference, That objec-
floe, ,in its degiee, must apply to the Bill as it was
proposed to be introduced by his Honourable Friend.
There were two great objeets' which the House had
in view with ibis 11161Si:we, the first.was to obviate
improvident ;rain's,' by attaching itnmediate ir;stead
_ .

- • •
of rieMate respensibtlity to the advisers of tboseliinti,
To rernedy'Ais,' he should propose a Clause, by
which:no grant shpuld be considered valid- until it had
bi.'erCpUbliclY antiOnneed in the'Londdn Gazette. The
other' Oblea- *hid 'the House h din view whi,
that their e44(jatititii)ll of any retbrin or rttreneh-
mint resulting from the Report of the Committee of
froJnee shodkl not be disappointed. 'For this pur-
lid* it was his intention .to propose, that; for a
limited period; every Reversionary Grant should be
subje4 to ttiolition,.. or any,alteration that his Ma-
jesty'', with tlis advice of Parlisrrient, might think
proper to map in it. The-s© propositions Avoidd, iu
his opinion, Meet the views of his Hon. Friend, and
Might at the same time relieve the Bill from the clan-
gor w hii,h had hitherto been so fatal to it. With re-
spe6i to the pensions mentioned by his'Hon: friend,
it could be thund on examination, that they were
chiefly in the Revenue pepartments,grante
d,toper-.
scans grown old in the exerciee.ef their Q(ficial.duti.
W:l3 COTIVitIMI t 1);It they were of a description

Ibis subject. would more yrolizlly come before tb.im
when the Report of the Financial Committee.had.
beeti'preginted.
/P9l/in, after having stated the benefits
~d iicf' lie it option of this measure would afford,
that 'the principal cause of his regret at its
lihVitit been lost in the Other House was, that it
iliSetlithiri that branch 'of the Legislature Was not
fb'assist the House of Commons in redeem-

iug the pledge which they had a few years ago given
the people, to inquire into and to reform public
abuses. That tlnr Lordships had been aeutted by
lbw...sincerest wishes for the public advantage, he.
would not deny,' but he certainly did not think that
the wisdom of their decision corresponded with the '
purity of their'motivcs. He was ready fairly to own,i!
that he did not look upon economy as a moans of:
considerably alleviating the public burthens. But al-
though it would not do so much as some expeaed,
andlealiwished, it would be consoling for the House
trittiticlorhat ander the present circumstances of
thitictiettlVys
- • When the people were called upon.for
•stscltesitramdinary sacrifices, every thing had"' been'.
dot: why the. Legislature to prevent an unnecessary
'.u&grairation of their hardships. • There existed in
thdtountry a description of persons increasing with,
the *.velikness of the country--persons uncopne6ted
with any Party in Parliament, but whose great
obje6t- was to decry Parliament altogether.-
The • leaders taught, and the followers believed,
. that Parliament disregarded the interests of their

Constituents. This was a danger daily augment-
ing; the only.way of meeting it was,- by a condutit
that should uot,only be free from guilt—and he need
not say that-such was the conduct of that House—but
also free from suspicion ; by adopting measures. th::t
should chew unequivocally the disposition of .Par a-
'

meat to correct public abuses, and to reduce the pub-
lie expenditure. Fer this purpose it. was matt do
hirable that the principle of this Bill should be re- :•
cognised. by Parliament. It would indeed be most
unfortunate, if, the great Aristocracy,' if the beredi.
tarpCounsellors of the King, were so much- misled •
refuse to make this recognition. That mis- •
:fortune would be much increased if certain Illus-
trious Personages, to whose splendour the HOMO of
Commons had lately contributed so largely, should
be misguided enough to take part against a measure-3.
scot direded against the Prerogative of the CroWa, ",
but simply haVing the view of methodising the 'red .
gulating, And, if possible, the diminution oldie pub':
lie expenditure. It had been supposed, that bs&Th"",
the Bill had not !Mich intrinsic importance attached'
to lt,- the public was but little interested in its fate. .
The contrary was the case. This circumtaricee ren-
dered the rejection of it more odious, as it 1114V/eel
that it was the principle which was rejeded.
• had witnessed prodigious revolutions in the state Of
Empires--soma Monarchies had been totally, up•
rpotecli others had been shaken to their centres. kril!
wished that those persons who were most deeply in.
tethsted would .examine the history of these awfid
changes; they would find that they had been uni-
formly preceded by a strong desire in the people for
reformation and retrenchment, and by a stubbprrt,
proud, obstinate resolution in the Princes and No-
bles of the land to resist that desire.. He anxiously
hoped, and sincerely prayed, that this Country Was"
tar from being placed in such circumstances; •but
he. must say, that it any one line Of co,h4ua more
favourable4nother,t4, ws vie of those *rho:"
were the advocates of revolution, it was precise,/
that. ,line of condut which bad lately been atiupted
by the Upper House of Parliament. Adverting to
.the objections to the All, which had so suddenly
flashed upon the mind of the Right Hon.
.Gentle•
man opposite, he observed, that this circumstanCi
suggested to his mind very serious retlections on the
nature of the influence under which that Right

Pon.. Gentleman and ,his coadjutors ailed--an infin. •
flett
title
eidccereirllwtialLfel:d.ielleosisitta6ttorti
stoiht:lefharveisvti
iheilipgerttehpids.;tyni
pi
privileges
eriArei.vrdoiew.srunhbediei ganwitteoyr
ebilesti
thwarted
Ministers,Wv iaii eAtc
105174Plalitout irresponsible power. They had the
as it was, while it did last, heileli.jg‘i,lei)!hsotetirfaotiiflitontoce:bebi:iitltievseuviscastil-
ed with the power which belonged to it, and that it
should not be degraded by a subjection to Cowl in-
fluence. He cordially 'supported the Motion ;' if '.,
he had'any objedion to the prnpoiition of his HO. .
Friend, it was, that he,did not submit the Bid in 11
shape, as nearly, resembling the former one as was '..
compa_tibla with .the rule of Parliament.
M.- CH"INCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
irs'extiklnlftiCm repeated, that in hit opinion,' an'oPi"
nion which- he had before expressed in the House, •
• !he measure was not of considerable importance.--•
The amendments which he had described he should
propose.to the House for the express purpose den-
cleaveuiing to carry into etieta more securely the o#)'
jeAS in view. . .
, Mr. 111. DUND4S contended that the measure
was an attack on the constitutional . right of the
Crown, which ought never to be violated but on tile
strongest grounds of necessity, . He professed the
highest reaped for the Members of the Committee
of. finance, but, maintained that thin 4111111111'4'"t
of Abe Prerogative ought not to be permitted, sim—
ply ,because. that Committee might at some futiore
period make a Report in which abases might be
pointed out. He declared it, was his conscientious
feeling that it was as Much the duty of Parliamunt.
to guard the rights of the Crown as the rights of tifer
Air: PONSONBY obseried, that the prerogatc,A.
Was vested in; the Crown for the gOoll of the pentile;, • ,
alone. Altholigh the Committee bad not ypt cle,;,
tailed the abuses, he appealed to the general sensei
~
t7r
lbel,lo` whether any prerogative bad been 1110rO ~
abuse t 3 Altliat under consideration, What INOSI
the RI, Otition now be, lithe prerogative had WA'
been interfered with ? A narre--a shadow-- and tile ~-,,
British Monartilt would haie been,as absolute as.allY
Monarch., in Eurok,. Pa'iliaul4nt „DA, tregge!) I '):4 .
limited the Royal 'Presogative. He - 1)9P0 i; wool e
dottoctgain whenever it. was required, J sllow'v
the delicacy of involving the two Houses ill a 'CP'''.
~
[nue i 'btu it was the peculiar business of the Hottie
of Commons to hold the purse of the nation, and it
was therefore their peculiar ditty to watch over ilte
exPeßsiiiffefpf. the public money . With all posiibisl
! e' 04 .., li4ether House of Parliament, he had 110,
110,94 t,, .Ltlje House 01 UMW, ..,t..-i aCten Willi (inn'
-!lAe ' a yisptir;,tl:te House I>iimpts Would see the
~,,,e,y.:„,.vukdon.l of concurring in the measur ,
~
Instead of „thwartin/ 't 'While he believed that thd

F

,kihjea of the Right ItonourableGentleMan was to
assist the measure, he did tot-think' that his propo-
sitions were calculated to be serviceable to it. With
regard to the one for notifying any, grant in the Ga-
zette-, if that grant were made during the prorogation
of Parliament, or just before its rising, several
months must elapse before it could be made the sub-
je€t of discussion. With respea to his other prop°•
si;ion, to declare that all grants, within a limited pc,
riod, should be liable to be diminished or annulled
by Parliament, he conceived that it must be product-
tire of much injury, as it would give the claimants
an additional plea for importunity. He hoped the
Bill would be agreed to as unanimously as before.
He was curious to know more precisely what were
the sentiments of. his Majesty's Ministers towards
it. If he, might judge by that 'House they were fa-
vourable—if from the other House, they were unfa-,
vourable to the measure.

Mr. BIDDULPII was of opinion, that the
clauses proposed by the Right Honourable Gentle-
man would render the Bill a nullity. Smile mea-
sure to relieve the distresses of the people was in, •
dispensible. If his Majesty's Ministers had an op-
portunity of witnessing the misery occasioned by
the Property Tax in the country—if they could
hear the piteous claims made on the humanity of
the Commissioners by cottagers, and the widows of
cottagers, with their fatherless children, they would
be convinced of this faa. We were told that the
loan for the present year on/y would be 12 millions..
To pay the interest of this loan, permanent taxes
to the amount of 500,0001. per annum must be
imposed on the people. Would it be a trivial bene-
fit if the Committee of Finance were to discover
a mode of retrenchment to that amount.? In one
department alone, that of the Bank, an annual
saving had been made of 215,0001. which, in his
opinion, ought to have been 400,0001. The prin-
ciple of economy appeared to 'him to be one which
could never be shaken. The war seemed to be in-
terminable; our' resources of taxation were very
lituited.—What remained for us but the most
minute examination into the public expenditure,
and the most resolute determination to retrench
wherever retrenchment was practicable.
Mr. HAWKINS, BROWNE agreed with the
Rout:nimble Gentleman who had just sat, down, as
to the distresses felt by the people from the ne-
cessary taxation, but was happy to bear testimony
to the patience which the taxes were submitted
to, from the conviaion that they; were necessary.
He thought. it desirable that this measure should•be
so concluded, that even the language of .ladion
could not state, that .there Was a disposition any
where to oppose, reform, and he should be extreme-
ly sorry, that the, amendmerrs `to • be proposed by
its Right Hon. Friend, should be such as to defeat
the obis& of the Bill. BUt if they should appear,
when proposed, to be of a nature to promote the
agreement of the two Houses, they, should meet
with his cordial
.coeurrence.
Sir ROBERT SALISBURY said a few words
upon the measure, which we could not cone & even
in. substance.

Lord PORCHEST.ER, though he thought it de-
sirable to proinote the agreement of the two Houses
of Parliament, yet denied that for that purpose such
clauses should be agreed to as would do away sub-
stantially the whole °bled of the Bill, which went to
prohibit altogether the grant of places in reversion.
He could not agree to the amendments proposed by
the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer), because they would
amount to a. rejeetion of the measme. It even the
be rejeded again in the other House,
public business would not suffer by the delay, and
that House would not be precluded from sending it
up again, so that the discussion, which would be
the consequence, might in the end lead to an agree-
ment between both Houses. As to the observation
which had been made, that I 14) abuses had been stat-
ed in the exercise of the prerogative, he should only
remind the Hbuse that the late Chancellot of the
Exchequer for Ireland had stated to the House, that
certain offices in Ireland, which it was deemed de-
sirable to abolish, could not be abolished in conse-
quence of their having been improvidently granted
In reversion. f

BANKES should not detain the , House at
.present, as the discussion which he foresaw, with re-
gret was to take place upon the"measure would give
him an opportunity of stating what be bad to say
upon the subjed. He felt thankful to his Right
Hon. Friend for the candour towards him and the
House with which he.had explained the nature of
the amendments
,which he meant to propose in the
Bill. .He was afraid, however he might desire it,
that he could not agree to these amendments, which
whilst they nominally retained the principle; would
atWally give it up. But though „the Bill might, In
the shape in which he meant to bring it forward,
meet ,with the fate of the late Bill,that House must
recolle6t, that it, would,still have the means in its
own bands of eutorcing this salutary check upenthe
public expenditure.
Leave was then given to, bring in the Bill. •
LirrTEßtEs.
_ _ _

Mr. SCROOP .11E11..CiliD, pursuant to notice, ,
moved, " That Cominittee be appointed to in..;
'quire' how far the evils attending .Lotteries have been
remedied by the Jaws passed respediUg the same,
and to report their observations thereon to the
Hoase, together with such further 'measures as may
necessary for remedying the same." The
Honoirahle Gentleman :prefaced his motion by
several 01);.ervation,, which, from the low tone in
which' they were delivered, we feel it impossible to.
detail. The general purport of them was, to show
the loss sustained by the public from ithe present
mode oY contracting for Lotteries, and the artifices
used to seduce the lower ctasses the people toad-
venture in the Same, to the great injury and itneciver-
i sh rnent of theirfamilies. He quoted a passage from a
Statute, which `stated Lotteries to be public nui-
sances, and agreed that the evil bad of late risen to
such 'a height as to call for the interference of the.
Legislature. The Confra4tors, however, were not
so much to blame, as by purchasing the Lotteries :it
a rite so much higher than the real value or the
Tickets, they were constrained to use the means,
they resorted to fir the purpose of bringinge them-
selves home again. without injury; and if, (rum the.,
report of the Committee which he proposed should
be anointed, it should be thought deiirable that the
present mode of carrying on Lotteries should be
dnoonfinued, he was of opinion that such person s
as had. 'embarked property ill such. speculations

should bti saved luirtnlega. Re therefore moved, &c;
&c. and the question being put,
The C 111,41 NCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER
etm did -pot mto oppose the Motion, though, at the
same time,. he, was not prepared to say, that if it.
was the obea,of the Hon. Gentleman to abolish tho
preset 4 system of Lotteries, by which the pUhlie
ganwlito:).thc.t,amount of five or six hundred thou-
sand pq94/ annually, lie should consent to any such
proposition. There had been many remedies pro-
vided by statute lot the evils arising from Lotteries,
and as he could not say that others might not also
be devised, .he should agree to the motion of the
Hon. Gentleman for a Committee to inquire. As
to. the statute which had been quoted by the Hon.
Gentleman, he had only to observe, that it had been
passed for aboliShing unlicensed Lotteries, and did
.not at all apply to those Lotteries which were every
year saationed by an Act of the Legislature, and
the evils; of twhich even had been aggravated; of late
years,o44ltepraOlice of granting Private Lotteries
.by.Actof.Paerliainent, much to the prejudice of the
Public Lotteries, It the object of the Hon. Gen.'
.tleman.;wait to reduce the price of tickets to the ac-
tual value, as. that would interfere with the source of
public profits upon Lotteries, he could not agree to his
proposal, though he should be disposed to assent to
any proposition which would be calculated to dimi-
nish the evils arising from Insurance, which had
always been the source of the greatest mischief.
With these views he should agree to the Hon.
Gentleman's motion.

The Committee was then appointed.
The Indialment Bill, the Irish East India Trade
Bill, the Irish Duties Bill, were read a second time,
and ordered to be committed, the first-to-morrow,
the second on Wednesday, and the last on Thurs.
day.
The Irish Warehousing Bill, and the Land-Tax
Commissioners' Name Bill, were read a second tune,
and ordered to be committed, the former to-mor-
row, the latter on the ed of May next.
The' Committee on the Orders of Council Indem-
nity Bill was put off till to-morrow.—Adjourned.
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A Gentleinan' who' is recently arrived in town
from SiiaUt:states, that preparations are making for
sending out to Soath.America a force of 86,000 men,
of which a considerable portion, it is said, will be
French troops. We, hoWever, give very little credit to
this rumour, because, with our present naval supe-
riority, it is almost an impossibility that such a force
could be sent from any Port in Spain without falling
into our hands. If an embarkation to that extent be
in contemplation, it is, we have very little doubt,
for the purpose of making some attempt nearer
home.

Tou Fleet destined for the Baltic, under the
Command of Sir JAMES SAUMAR.22, will sail as soon
es the wind permits. Admirals .Sir S. Hoop and
KEATS will have commands under him. The force
that will be employed open, this service will be
Much. larger than can be required for defensive pur-
i, !
poses; we are therefore inclined to think that some
operation of importance is in contemplation.

A rumour was circulated yesterday evening► upon
the authority, as it was. stated, of a private Letter
from Holland, that an Insurrection had taken place
at Stodkhohn, which had been attended with seri-
onspemquenco. It is hardly necessary to state,
Ofigottis,report is unfounded. Intelligence has been
received from Stockholm ofas late a date as the 2 Ist,
at which time every thing was perfetily tranquil,

Captain BROWN,' of the Ship Favourite, is just
arrived at. Grangemouth from Gottenburgh. He
states, that he sailed on Sunday the 90th inst, with
about a$ Sail, under convoy of His Masty's Ship
Kite; that all the British Ships of War, having been
cut gut of the ice, proceeded for the Sound on Sae
turday the toth, and were seen beating up with a
foul wind when the Fleet sailed. Abdut fiooo troops
arrived at Gottenburgh to provide against any attack
which might be made from the side of Norway ; and
that it was reported at Gottenburgh, that the Swedes
were driving the Russians back out of Finland.
-Mr. CANNING, in a recent debate upon the ex-
hausted subjea of the Copenhagen Expedition, and
its consequent influence, on Russia, mentioned an
anecdote that ought to be more generally circulated.
In answer to the alWipps to indireal ehthruunics.
1 lions 'from Russia; Air. CANNING observed, that
Minister 4 414. rely. Upon accredited' Agents, and
that business could nut go on unless they did so
rt;ferred to what was done by the great
.
1,4 /litfetc of Prussia, who, while he was nego-
tiall g :ttith an accredited Minister froth
,this Coon..
try,' mos told that another person had arrived front.
Great Britain, for the purpose, according to the.
old phraie, of seeing how the land fay. The
wary Monaich readily admitte4 the, latter tp a
conference; and, not doubting that he would
transmit all that passed home, deluded. this su-
pernumerary h Ambassador with; false information,
which that Ambassador, of course, conveyed in
his dispatches, congratulating himself, no doubt,
• npnu-his greit• address, sagacity, and the vast War.
iWtMan which he had obtained. ,We leave our
Wader.; to coujecitare whether Mr. CANNING, by
this story, bad any reference to a singular colloquy
which parted at a Northern Ceurt, in•which, how-.
-ever, theie Certainly was no such Monarch as the
Great litEinisitaL of Prussia. •