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London, England, 1839-04-18 00:00:00

people to whom he had alluded were not the people of
Ireland.—( Cheers.)
Mr. DEEGAN said if the expression went forth to the pub.
lie in that manner it might do him infinite harm. What
he meant to say was, that the men who would cheer a man
when designating him a vagabond, had no claims on his
sympathy.
Mr. CLEAVE said it was not surprising, considering the
manner in which the Irish people were aceusto med to look
up for patronage, that such cheers should be given. The
course for the Convention now to pursue was to stand at ease,
to watch the proceedings of the contending parties, and to lay
hold of anything which might arise calculated to be-
nefit the unrepresented masses, and in a dignified mariner
pursue the object which they had in view, namely, the en-
franchisement the whole population, and the better
feeding, clothing, and instructing of the ignorant and us-
instructed. —( Hear, hear.)
Mr. CARDO—Tories or Whigs were no better than they
had ever been, and the present motion was a mere clap-
trap, and a mere factious fight between the two parties.
The 'Whigs had given them the liberty of speech—he much
doubted whether the Tories would have done so. However,
he thought the Convention should take no part in the
question, but take advantage of the crisis for the purpose
of advancing the Charter. That was all they had to do.
He would support the amendment.
Mr. I3urtas would also support the amendment. It was
the duty of the people to stand aloof, and let the two
parties fight each other as they pleased, and take advan-
tage of anything that turned up in their favour. The Con-
vention had no business to interfere in the present struggle.
Mr. FROST had seconded the motion for the purpose
of hearing Mr. Whittle, but he felt bound to vote for the
amendment.
Dr. Mt Douante would also support the amendment, but
he could not agree with Mr. Deegan in—he would not say
his aspersions upoa the Irish people. Great apathy existed
in both England and Scotland upon the question of the peo-
ple's rights. All he was astonished at was that the
people of Ireland could be so easily led away by the ras-
cally blandishments of Mr. O'Connell. If the Conven-
tion could by any means conciliate the people of Ireland,
and get them to join them, the Charter would be easily
obtained.—( Hear, hear.) They were deserving of the
sympathy of the Convention, and if good could be
done them either by sending them Delegates or in any
other way, he thought it would be reels that the matter
should ba considered. If the Convention could relieve
them from the tyranny of Mr. O'Connell, they would
confer upon them a great boon, and if that led to their
obtaining the Charter, they would confer upon them even
a greater boon.
Mr. LOVETT would vote for the amendment. He Con-
sidered the true policy of the Conventioa was to break up
every Administration that would not give them justice.—
( Hear, hear.) He for one liked the Tories best ; for when
they were in they had the support of the middle classes,
which they lest the moment the Whigs came into power.
Mr. Retina hoped the Convention would not interfere
in the present struggle, but would support the people's
cause against both factions.
Mr. SNIART could not give a silent vote upon the ques-
tion, though he would detain them for only ono moment.
He wished to see the two factions, the Whigs and the To-
ries, placed in the situation of the two Kilkenny cats.—
(Laughter.) Let them eat up each other, and do not let
the people at all interfere to prevent them. He would vote
for the amendment of Mr. O'Connor.
Mr. BUSSET had no fear that the Tories would again
come into power. They well knew the power and know-
ledge in the possession of the people could not now be kept
down by adopting the former line of conduct which they
practised when governing the country. And as for the
Whigs, they bad behaved in so tyrannical and hypocritical
a mariner since their acquirement of office, that it mattered
little how soon they were displaced. The greatest number
of their actions seemed prompted by the ghost of Castle-
reagh, so much were they imbued with the spirit of tyranny
and oppression.—(Hear, hear.) But no matter which of
the factions ruled the destinies of the nation—while the
people kept their eyes on them they could do little harm.—
( Hear, hear.)
Mr. MARSDEN could not forbear noticing the unblushing
effrontery of Lord John Russell, who, in his speech the
other night, made a statement which it would require the
exercise of a great deal of credulity in the country to be-
lieve, namely—that they were steadily and gradually re-
forming. And in another part of the same speech, the
insincerity of the Noble Lord was particularly evident,
when he stated England and Scotland was governed by the
majority, and that, of course, as Ireland was governed
heretofore by the will of the minority, to that may be attri-
buted all the sufferings which the people of that afflicted
country endure. Now, if this were really the case, would
not the Convention, if they represented the great masses
of the population, as they no doubt did, be right to make
arrangements for the forthcoming election, and have Lord
Juhn Russell's statement tested, tlnd see whether he would
then be bound by the doctrine which he inculcated in the
declaration alluded to..—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. HARNEY said the people of Newcastle were particu-
larly anxious that the scoundrel Whigs should be hurled
from office—no matter by whom replaced. Their conduct
since they came into power was such as to bring the people
of this fine country to such a state of misery and degrada-
tion that they were quite careless as to which of the parties
held the reins of power.—( Hear, hear.) He had not that
fear for the introduction of a reign of terror which was• in-
dulged in by others. To be sure, if- the ,Tories-eime into
power, they would- adopt strong-, Measereit'• to: put
down the present agitation. But would hot "the ‘, base
and bloody Whigs" ti.) the -same. No matter ' which if
the contending parties acquired the prize in contention,
the Convention and the people whom it represented would
be assailed by the victors in lets than a month's time.-.
(Hear, bear.) It will therefore be the duty of the advisers
of the people to make them acquainted with their danger,
and to guide in the best line of conduct to effectually oppose
the destroyers of their liberties. Fully convinced as he
was that the collision would shortly take place, he thought
the sooner it was brought about the better—and in his
mind it could not be produced by any quicker method
than by the Tories taking offiee.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
Indeed it was very desirable that it should come in or-
der that the People's Charter might at once become the
law of the land. If he thought the passing of Mr.
Whittle's motion would induce a single member to ,
withdraw from supporting the Government, he would give
it his hearty approval, particularly as by doing so he was
only acting in accordance with the wishes of the mul-
titude of suffering individuals whom he claimed for his
constituents, who were only fearful that the Tories would
not have sufficient courage to teke on themselves, at the
present juncture, the goverment of the country.--( Hear. )
it was however indifferent to the people how went the
question in dispute—they were resolved to be no longer
trampled on. They had moral force to oppose against the
Whigs, and physical forcv to wage war against the Tories.
—( Hear, and cheers.)
Mr. WHITTLE replied, after which the Chairman put
the amendment of Mr. O'Connor, which was carried by
I a majority of twelve.