The Sun.
London, England, 1830-11-25 00:00:00

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t was best to take whatever they eotiftrebtafti, with-
nt essaeitiz to detnewi thiertitiet tillrfa...»(Hear.)
As. to the ballot, he hied hearthell that had been
crgued on that subjee; both by ...thieitripportess and
rheoppnnents of that measure, and It
tc 1%01 of opi-
nion that matters of great weight were alleged on
ins slide, as well as on the whet.. Thoagh he him-
' elf was not hostile' to the bellot, he could not
think the intiodue!ion of the, subject into the teen-
Idioms was unfavourable to Ultalitail T. lie would
prefer that they should determine to petition for re-
form generally. As to the petitions to the King slid
to the llouse'•of Peers, he was of opinion, that, NA
his Mujesty end the Ministers had heely made tittle-
lions', in which they promised to sublet i'.rof.ositions
to both Houses of Parlieneek, it was out proper to
tUldresa them on the subject. Hut a 4 the !loose of
Commons had mulct no such declaration, it was tee-
velvety that the Ministry should be supporta by
the petitions ofthe people in any measure of tefottn
which' they raight-iwopost; to that part Of, the Le-
gislature. That House (*mild only he operatrd upon
iby the neaninmus expressions of 'the public opinion,
• rhe' Duke or WellingtOn, on two gs eut omrsione, had
'Mind ft necessary to yield to the voice of the people,
ttei hi (the Chairman) hud little doubt that the
Hoke might have gone further had he betn sup-
ported by the people. Front that House the people
could hare tin linp!ii, until the system mese thrown
not.•;--(Checirs.)—kle was 'stert4ied that they could
not go on many months. The Government must
come to a stand unless uu effectual change take
place that House: It was not oily thei lowest
el sac of the people th it were in distieJs, ceety man
in trade had k.ie stack reduced full one-lialf in cake;
otsi as every min in trade varies on his busitletq;
partly on his, own cap:tul, end pat tly on credit, if his
stock is reduced one-half in seine, his whole capital
is 'swept away at once. From the Report of the
Finance Committee, it appeared that %%hen the
prim of raw co' tunwa s redur acl One 41414 the ens-
tents Terre doubled. And that wes Often the case,
'hat' taxation wee increased
,its proportion as it
was the leis to be endured. Of course, u lieu the
'prices of raw cotton fell ote-hilf, all the holders of
that materiel throughout the kingdom lost one. halt
of their whole stock. The distress of the units
,would bring the House of CollitnOlie to a sense of
their duty at last..---(Applause and lairghter.)..-That
body would do nothing through hive of tb, it woe-
try ; but now, when they saw danger at their own
doors, they pre some imrceriou that change might
at length'be hoped for. Use= eircurnstunee of the
present meeting gave him greet satisfaction. It was
gratifying to +re teems assembled to discuss an im-
portant a political question, without attribut•ng to
each other bad motives for the different parts which
they took, as used formerly to be the case. There-
fore, he wished every thing to be avoided which
Might disturb that unanimity.

Mr. ED INS would hold up his band against the
ballot. He thought that every matt aught t go
manfully to the hustiugs, und rote openly according
to his couseience.

Mr. GALLOWAY was of opinion that no reform
would be efficient which did nut include the ballot.
At the saute time be 10141 W that some persoi a ima-
gined that there wee smelling of cowardice in that
manner of voting; 'and he also knew that these is
nn imputntioe to which many int n hate so much
dislike as to that of cowardice. As an old reformer,
he was glad that the Government had pledged
themselves to take the business of reform iti
and he was at that moment deadness to see VI hat i 4
Whig. Admieistlation would do for the country.
He would therefore not ,tuberose them by urging,
upon them any particular plan, Ile thought that,
the first step being once trade, the people Would be
able to advance still farther in the progress of re-
form. But in the present aspect of affairs, he
thought it best for the meeting to call only for ge-
neral reform. If every one wee encouraged to bring
forward his peculiar phut for reform, such a brit of
fare would be served up Ow it would be imp.ottible
to Make any set, onion. There never was a time that
seemed so fevou able to the 041.010.0 f reform. If the
middle alas, throughout the country had done their
duty years ago than cause would have been placed be-
fore this in the Seine (4vOUrribit astute, But the un-
derstsedings of the middle dais wire so be ri,orheit
only through their pockets.. They were vs holly to
blame for the little progress which reform bad
trade. But it was then vain to regret ; it only
remained for them to take advantage of the favour-
able prospect which the times afforded. Ile would
implore every Reformer net to press any plan, but
to kayo it to the. Administretion and the Pediment
to nohow the nation what they would do upon their
pledge. if they did not.do what mie'ot be thought
*Aimed, i
ed, then the people would be n at least an
equal condition to that in which they then Were, to
cline forward and assert their rights. A little, time
would decide that question. However,. if Mr.
Thompso' pressed his amendment, he (Me., (i,)
would State-his reasons for believing that nu phut of
Reform could be effertual without the ballot.
Me. Ptentse did het, wish to be misunder-
stood. lie had telt) that he did not think any Re-
form effeetted without the hailot ; bet he did not
think it good.tnete or 110141 to illttedtlect the *object
at present. They ottght to leave it to the Commons
to make eny reform they may think fit, which the
people might Ibllow up with demands for whatevee
the Commons "bottle, Wes deficient,
THOMPNOX would ask why should they, alt-
stain from calling for the Wee to avoid ilisuretting
lb reformers ? Did they not know that winstecor
reform the Government might grant Wauld-caiii,e
division minty the reformers
,Some. would, and
oieny would not, think the refor m sufficient, There
mu, no chance that they would give enough to
satisfy toll. Be could not admit that they were en-
tering into the detail of a plan of reform by asking
for the ballot. He had heard nothing to induce him
not to press hie amendment.
Worm again expressed hi* wish that the
Amendment, ahould be Incorporated with. his reso-
lution, . ,

Mr..ollAnn read the resohation altered aconnling
to the amendment of Mr. Thompson, when
Mr. TiCKNKft soil) recommended that the amend-
merit shonld be put as fi aeparAte resolution.
The CoAtutgAts said that the whole ill,cussion
wuS' iquin a pond of order. The regular anode was
to put it to the Vote whether the peopusett amend»
anent should be received us such or not.
Mr. liurrtuniowrit would take that opportunity
before the question was put, to declare that though
Its %vat a friend to practical reform, and .as' :melt
4greed Wadi the resolution us, ut *fit toad, was
yet extremely doubtful 'es to the expediency ol the
ballot, and would not join in a resolution insisting
on it. He, wished every matt in gn boldly amd
flottUy to , the hustings, lasei give a 10)14! vote
" withoet,helying his exuaseienet."—(
ecloauslisarr.ytilo, :arwtyr:4:l ka.kintalit
hang
i4gai:toth they had
vlaaosdbaitdult:ilib:tarltal to,h:eitiotrrhdrily:,htlaileet
could they have door ? not the gentleman who
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actwett them see that they were so lacked tip, SO
o'ompletely OeM/Otl itt 1,0.1 trammelled by their op•
preesors, that they email tint give an honest vote,—
(Great applmarar.) In fact, it was not so much the
ovensiott suffrage that was l'avair,(l us this means
of enjoying it.--(Apattie4 It wits not so much
the right Si' vote, at ttw power to exerciso hat right,
lint an •if •raid affirm would confer. Wit bout the ,
power of vi,uaeig according to his cosnatienee, a mass
might moo!) better for himself 41%4 for his contatty
,lave no staffruge.---Clieers4 But he would task the
gentlemen who say tlaky would 'Veto.' for rawer, and
not fur the tnallot4 why do they profess to give tine
people the tlg,kt of suffrage if they will not ettoblaT
them tu a.•„w that right ?
Mr. Tatompsos, Mr. HAC.Xitati. and ()there, ie.
commended the amendment to be' put 'O4 as ilistiases
resolution, which seated, to be the wale of the ma-
jority..

The twolviorts proposed by Mr. Woods us giver
%hove, were then put seriatiw, tuts eanied
totitioe.

Thompson umf»tbrent way own put nt met
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