The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-09 00:00:00

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.

SRAEISOTINPrHE:TAI
; ARcit 8.
(rnom OUR OwOcßoTn
In Harbour—The Britannia, 120; Flag-ship Vietlry, IC4;
Ordinary Guardship ; Excellent, Gunnery-sh:p ; rtoyal
George, yacht ; Messenger, steam transport; Meteor, steam
vessel; and Tenders, Fanny and Emerald.
In Basin—The Waterwitch, 10, for the East Coast of South
America • and the Curlew, 10, for the Coast of Africa.
In Dock—Not anything in Commission.
At Spithead—The Zebra, 16, for the Mediterranean.
Arrivals, Sailings, &c., during the week.—On Saturday, the
:id inst., sailed the Gossamer, tender, with supernumeraries
for the Powerful and Cleopatra at Sheerness: On Monday,
the 4th inst., the Zebra, 16, arrived from Sheerness, and re-
mains, awaiting orders. The Waterwitch, 10, and Curlew,
10, were this day commissioned, the former by Lieutenant
Matson, the latter by Lieutenant Rose. On Thursday, the ith
inst., the Meteor, steam vesel, arrived from Ireland with newly,
raised men, and tae Gossamer, tender, from Bristol, with a si-
milar cargo. _ . .

The above is the sum total of our proceedings during the psi
week at this port. 'the ships in dock next to be commissioned,
and for which exertions are being made, are the Childers and
Clio. The Indus will be launched on the 16th instant, and
the Royal Frederick alias the Queen, will be ready in April.
There is no longer any doubt about Admiral Fleming succeeding
Sir Philip Durham in the command at this port. S:r Lawrence
Halsted, it is said, will have Plymouth.

MONEY and COMMERCIAL NEWS

CITY—TWELVE O'CLO C gi
There is no business doing at present in the British mat_ ,
Consols continue firm at 921 93 for Money, and for AcceLn
93 to i.
The intelligence by the overland-express from India has sic
as yet transpired.
Exchequer Bills, 64 66. India Bonds, 64 66. Bank Stoc
shut ; for the opening, 205 2C6.
In the Foreign market the prices remain as they closed
Spanish Active, 19;4 20. Portuguese, 341-1 35. Three pe
Cents., 21i 22. Belgian, 101 i 2. Brazilian, 6011. Scrip,
to li. Colombian, 20i. Mexican, 2311 24. Dutch Two
and-a•• Half per Cents., 551 il. Five per Cents., 103i-1.
We have no foreign arrivals, with the exception of t
French mail and the express from India. No ship lett
P3ICES OF STOCKS THIS DAY Al' tiNE o'CL
Pauk Stork — India Steel:
3 per Cent. Red. : — ; Ditto Bon:is
3 per Cent. Cons 9.:Ya 31,13 2ii ! South Sea 5t0ck......
3i,., per Cent — Old Annuities ...
Ditto lied. —; 1 New Ditto
New !!4 per Cent I(;0% si, i 3 per Cent. Annuities, ;.
New 5 per Cent.
Sauk Long A nnui ties to ex pire Ditto 500 .., 63 6
Jan. 5,16 Di .. • Ditto Small 6-i 6
Oct. In, l&51 — Ditto Commercial
J, tl. 5, I:V.ri — Ditto Adverthett ...... 61 G
Jan. 5, ISO • Bank Striek (be Account ...
April 5, IWO. — India Stock for Account ... ----
Jan. 5. IWO —l Consols for Account sat„ It' ty
PRICES OF FOREIGN FWSDS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLI CR'.
Xustrian Bonds —' Peruvian Bend,
Belgian Bonds
Ditto Account - i Portugue:.e Bonds ....,
it r.zilian Bonds
Ditto Account
Buenos Ayi cs Bonds ....
Ditto Account .........
Chilian 13 oinls
D *lto Account
Columbian Bonds — Ditto Account
Ditto Aeccunt — Ditto hletcllic.:
Columbia,' Bonds, 1S:14 — Spanish lionds
Ditto Account
Danish Bonds
Ditto ACeo:ll't
;reek 80nd5.......... ........... French, 5 per cent
att., Bonds, 1..!..5 -- 4 per cent.....
Ditto Account — -- 3 ier cent......
Mexic.iiii lif;:id:s, 5 per Cent — --- Exchange--
Ditto Account — , Dutch, 2',.z per cent....
Ditto, 6 per Cent.--
Ditto Account
Nespolitaii Ditto Account. .... ...'...... tic'
etiteEs or' SHARES THIS DAY OREAI'! O'Ci.oo'z '.'"

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Lou cr:.A....d Croydon Railway Company 161. ss.
31.i:chest. and Birmingham Railway l3
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HALF-PAST ONE.
The Consol Market has continued steady during the morn.
ing, with Lille doing, et 93% for the Account, Money 94 9.3
we do not hear of a feature worth stat:ng.
Money continues light—Discounts were yesterday .IV2 pe
cents. on first rate Bills, and 44 to 5 ter cent. on ec.,.,11(1.a1
13ilis ; Exchequer Bills, 64 66 ; India Bonds, 64 66 ;
Stock shut ; India Stock shut.

In the Foreign Market the prices continue as in th.. 3 earlv
part of the morning; Spanish Active 196 20 ; Porttigncst,
34 33; Three per Cents. 211, 22; Belgian 1016 102 ; Dut,h,
IN N° and-a-Half per Cents. -55R4 ; Five per Cents. 103v2;
Colombian, 296; Mexican, 9.3!2 24.
No further art ivals, with a great scarcity of news in the City.

MONEY MA.ItKET and CITY NEV

TIMES —I f an opinion were asked in the city of the state of money
at this moment, the general reply would be that it is scarce, and yet
the rate varies so much under different circumstances, as well as ac.
cot ding to different degrees of credit, that no just cent..lusion as re-
gards tile market at large can possibly be drawn. 121 mercantile
transactions rather high terms are submitted to, except amcng bor.
rowers of the first class;y et it is quite evident that this wrists trout
real scarcity, but n'orn a prererence given to other modes otemployin.7
it. The limited dernandS of trade would alone serve to estabtisli
arid if( tic exact truth could be ascertained, it would probably turn out
tii..t discounts note lied faun a far lc...portion than usual of the floating
capita! of merchants and ()alike.. The rest finds its way into stocks
end sharer of vat lass descriptions, or into loans to those who camie+.
contrive to hold them with money of their own, but are weilinz rer a
fit occasion to close with a profit. At the' Stock-Exchange very
singular fluctuatihns have occurred in the value cf money during
the present week. On some occasions it was a mere drug, and at
others, to t• here the emergency arose in a sudden and unexpCeted
manlier; and for allay or two only, it was hardly to be obtained en
the best security and the highest terms. This arises probably from
the paralyzed stale of tho market, which prevents the leading job,
hers front ke",png, as In.retofore, large sums of money
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counnald, and provided only that the demand is sudden, nearly the
same consequel.ce follows whether it is for money Cr, stock. No
inference is to be drawn f:ooa it with respect to the permanent va!ne
of either.

• If the state of polities is considered, the prices of all descriptions.of
Government securities must appear unnaturally high, but the ab..
Fence of all new loans for several years past has causcd more and
more of the permanent debt to be absorbed for investment by that
class of savings which can only be disposed of in securities of the
bat description. Nothing but Consols or Exchequer Bills will do
for settlements, endowments, and trast-money of all kinds. or late
some sales, rather ui:usual in amount far such a market, have been
made, and have been followed by some depression ; but the tone of
the tnirket has generally been restored as soon as the sales had
ceased.

HERALD.—Speculation still continues in the Cotton Market,
the advicea from Liverpool of yesterday stating that 10,000 bales
were taken at full prices ; and, under the impression that the mar-
kets of Europe will be fed wit the eatton staple of the United States,
merely to suit the views or the banking hypothecators rf that material,
it is anticipated that this mania for buying the raw material, at rates
which cannot ensure profits when manufactured, will last for some
time. The subject, however, is one of sleep import to monetary and
banking interests, and has already obtained much attention, with
them, sinbe it appears that a large amount of bills, founded
upon these cottsti speculations have been tendered for
discount in the London Money Market, but as this Paper
li,s been brought here with a view of enabling certain
parties to extend their cotton speculations, it has been looked at
with a good deal of caution, which we hope will be r;gidly continued
Money fur commercial discounts commands from 31- a 4 per cent.
currently, and in some instances, according to circumstances, higher
.
rates have been given. On the Foreign Stock Market it has also
been in more demand.

There has not been much doing in the Continental exchanges to.
day. Money has been rather more plentiful than bills, and the rtes
are generally lower than they were on the last post day. On Paris
they are quoted at the reduced rate of 25f 421 e. to 47i-c. On Am-
sterdam they were 12 2i. On Rotterdam at 12 21T, as. On Ant-
werp 12 1# a On Hamburg at 13 9 a ; and on Frankfurt at
1504 a

The British Funds have been very inactive to-day, and, until
nearly the close of business hours, the quotations were precisely the
same as they were yesterday. Consols, however, left off at the
slightly-improved rate of 92. f a 93 for Money, and at 93 buyers for
the Account. The Three-and .a-Half per Cent. Reduced Annuities
are now 1013 a fot the opening, and the New Three-and a Half
pr Cents. 1001 a g. The premium upon Exchequer Bills is 64 a 66,
and on those advertised GI a 63.

The dealing w the Foreign Bonds continues very limited, and
those of the "flourishing" Peninsular States left off at declining

quotations.
Most of the transactions in the Railway Share Market, in which
business has been effected, have te:n marked by a further decline.

THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY.)

COVENT-GARDEN.
The supply of Vegetables less than for some time past.
Trade not lir, ly, and prices higher than last week. Plants 4s.
per doz. ; Asparagus, 53. to lbs. per bundle; Celery, 6d. to
Is. ed. per bundle; Onions, Is. to Is. Gd. per sieve; Carrots,
ss. to 6s. per doz. ; Brocoli, Is. to 2s. Gd. per bundle ; Tur-
nips, 3d. per bundle; Oranges, 29. 6d. to 145. per hundred ;
; New
Apples, 4s. to 30 per per bushel ; Rhubarb, 9d. to ls. Gd. per
bundle ; Sea Kale, 2s. 6d. to 3s. per funnet ; Cueurn_
tiers were very dear; Cabbages, 23. per dnz. ; • Spinach, 2s.
per sieve; Radislirs, Is. Gil. per punnet; New Greea New
a snudpptlrya,d
butt bitsrka
d; e pdriuclel s
aluindal tperriec de s
15s. to 21s. per quart ; French Beasts, 4s. per 100
Potatoes, 25._6.1• per lb.
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EVENING EDITION

(DEBATE—Continued from our first page.)
ment ; but he could, with his Noble and Learned Friend,
below him, and the Noble Earl opposite, express
his entire confidence, founded upon the character of the
Monarch upon the throne of France—founded upon the
character of his Ministry—founded upon all the national re-
lations that had subsisted between this country and France
for years, that no little circumstance, however much dwelt
upon in this House, or in the other House of Parliament,
would have the unfortunate effect of disturbing that which
they all anxiously wished in common to remain, viz., a
perfect understanding between the two Governments,
although the most perfect understanding could not always
prevent occasional errors or occasional mistakes from aris-
ing : but which, when they did arise, would be fairly ex-
plained on the one side, and cordially and generously re-
ceived on the other. All they knew at this moment
was, that Commodore Douglas had received an exp'a-
nation which he thought necessary, and the House had there-
fore no right to presume a priori, as the Noble and Learned
Lord opposite seemed to do, that it was unsatisfactory.
Undoubtedly they were in a situation to call for further in-
uiry on the subject, and all he asked was, knowing that
Commodore Douglas had been satisfied, that they might be
allowed to give time to the French Government to know
from their own officers what passed before they were called
upon to give an explanation.
Lord COLCHESTER was perfectly willing to leave
the subject till the French Government could have an op-
portunity of communicating upon it. He understood the
Noble Earl opposite to say there was a sloop of war oppo-
site V nCruz previous to the time at, and subsequent to the
:.track on San Juan de Ulloa.

Lord MINTO said that at the time there was—that
bvflre the attack was made there was, and that certainly
for several days afterwards there was; but the precise num-
ber of days he could not state without reference to his papers
Lord COLCHESTER said he was rioeprep4red to
doubt there was a ship of war on the station, but what he
understood the Noble Earl to state was that there must
have been a sloop of war at Vera Cruz when the attack
took place ?

occasion, and to repeat more expressions, only substituting
the name of Lord Brougham for the name of Lord El-
don. On the Ist of March, 1824, that case was brought
before Parliament, and after stating what had fallen from
Lord Eldon in the other Heuse, you said—and what I
now ask of you is, to let me say—" what right has Lord
Brougham, or any other Judge' to undertake to comment,
on the judgment seat, on the debates of this House.
Where does Lord Brougham, who is so cautious, find a pre-
cedent for this ?—( Laughter from the Opposition benches.)
How can he say he is not guilty of a gross breach of the
privileges of this House ? It is not a formal, but a sub-
stantial breach—a direct attack on the security and free-
dom of debate, which is the only legitimate object of pri-
vilege."—( Cheers.) I can assure the House that I bring
forward the question solely on public grounds— ( Hear,
hear)—and I should like to see an end put to the language
which passes between Members from this House to the.
other House, and from the other House to this—( Hear,
hear)—because I think the people by-and-bye will begin
to find out, and to say, if it is not put a stop to,
" a plague o' both your Houses."—( Laughter.) He
( Mr. Bannerman) would quote another authority on
this debate, which he might safely use on this occasion.
No man more severely censured Lord Eldon than Henry
Brougham, and he begged to read part of his speech on
the debate to which he alluded. He said, the only de-
fence set up for the Lord Chancellor was, that there was
something in the proceedings on his part as hasty as it was
extraordinary.—that his conduct, besides being indecorous
to the House, showed a degree of rashness and impatience
very unsuitable to his character as a Judge. If persons
connected with -the press, or persons inferior in station to
the Lord Chansellor, should feel any wish to hold them up
to public scorn, he could not conceive how they could allow
such a wish to remain ungratified; but if it should be in•lulged
in it would be more than ridiculous to arm themselves with
the terrors of privilege when they took no means to secure
themselves against a repetition of this gross and dangerous
attack on the freedom of debate and the independence of so
many of the Members of the House.—( Hear, hear.) He
( Mr. Bannerman) concurred in what Henry Brougham
had said on that occasion. He should adopt the course
which was pursued in 1824, by moving that the Printer of
the Times" attend at the bar of this House on Monday
next.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., said that on a subject of such
great importance he was happy to find that one ofmore
experience and greater weight than himself had consented
to relieve him of a duty which he could hardly
have shrunk from, with a due regard to the privileges of
this House, and the vindication of his own character.
His Hon. Friend had very fully stated the case, but as
that report also alluded to himself, he must claim the in-
dulgence of the House, while he addressed a few words to
it. Those who were present when the Bill was brought in
to increase the salaries of the Scotch Judges would remem-
ber what took place on that occasion. In consequence of
the physical infirmity of some of the Learned Judges, and
the dissatisfaction that existed respecting the manner in
which the proceedings were carried on in the Court of
Session of Scotland—in conseqnence of the illness of other
Learned Judges, by which the business might have been
stopped—in consequence of the impossibility of obtaining
a quorum of Judges—be thought it his duty to bring
those facts under the attention of the House and the Go-
vernment. In the hurry of the debate be did let
fall an expression which was not warranted by the circum-
stances, and he took the earliest opportunity of retracting
that expression ; but if he bad used the term " physical
infirmity" instead of " mental imbecility" be should have
had nothing to regret further than the regret which must
always be occasioned when a man was forced, in the exer-
cise of a public duty, to make such an allusion to a Judge
so universally esteemed and respected. Beyond that hasty
expression he did not lament the part he had taken. It
was with great pain that he had been obliged to allude to
these subjects, which were matter of public notoriety, and
until they were proved to be false there could be no confi-
dence in the public mind, nor the present administration
of justice. He repeated this statement in order to disarms
the Noble Lord of any pretext for the calumny which he
had thrown upon him (Mr. E.), or imputations which were
as groundless as any misrepresentations affecting the charac-
ter of any man which bad before fallen from the same lips.
What course the House was prepared to take it was not
for him to say ; whether they intended to take any steps
in consequence of this attempt to interfere with the right
of free discussion, or whether they intended to pass it by,
of whatever calumnious abuse he might be the subject—
whatever odium he might incur, he should not be deterred
in his character of an independent representative of pur-
suing the course which he thought right, or making those
remarks which he thought applicable to any case which
might come under the discussion of the House. He did
think it necessary, in reply to the false aspersions of the
Noble Lord, to say something in defence of his own
character.
The SPEAKER was about to put the question, when
Mr. W YNN suggested that the article should be read,
which was done accordingly by the clerk at the table.
The SPEAKER having put the question,
Sir GEORGE CLERK did not rise to discuss whe-
ther it was a breach of privilege or not ; he would leave
that to be decided by the Speaker. But he complaieed of
the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, and the Hon. Member
for St. Andrews, who had most unwarrantably assailed the
character of Lord Glenlee. Did these Hon. Members
not know that there were many persons in Scotland anxious
for the due administration of justice
Colonel DAVIS rose to order. He objected to any
discussion being proceeded with as to the character of
Scotch Judges, that not being the question before the
House.
Sir GEORGE CLERK contended that, after the
statements that bad been made without interruption on the
other side, he was entitled, as a matter of justice, to pro-
ceed.—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") The statements
made by the Hon. Member opposite bad produced a very
great impression in Scotland, inasmuch as they were cal-
culated to throw doubt and discredit upon the administra-
tion of justice in that country. These statements would
be libellous if used in any other place but that House.
The Hon. Baronet then read an extract of a letter he bad
received from one of the Scotch Judges, bearing testi-
mony to the efficient manner in which Lord Glenlee had
discharged his duties. The letter stated that Lord
Glenlee was deaf, but not more so than he had been for
several years.—(Loud cheers.) He regretted that
these Honourable Members had not made themselves
better acquainted with the circumstances, and he would
leave it to the Noble Lord to decide, whether the publica.
tion in question was a breach of privilege or not?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was of opinion that the state-
ment made with respect to two Hon. Members of that
House was without justification. He contended that the
Hon. Member for Aberdeen, on a question upon which
the House had undoubtedly a competent right to give an
opinion, had a right to state anything which might
assist the House in coming to a decision. He stated that
one of the Learned Judges of the Scotch Courts
wee, as the letter acknowledged, afflicted with the infirmity
of deafness.—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") He ( Lord
John Russell) believed that that Learned Judge was a
man of great learning—very able and distinguished in
science and literature.—( Hear, hear.) Neither the Hon.
Gentleman nor any man in that House had denied that, but
lie thought that the course of justice might be impeded,
owing to the infirmity under which a Learned Judge, 80
years old, laboured. If there was anything wrong in such
a statement, he ( Lord John Russell) confessed himself
guilty with the Hon. Member—because having heard re-
ports of the same kind, he had written to the Lord Jus-
tice Clerk, and had received a most satisfactory answer,
assuring him that the business of the Court was well car-
ried on, and from that time he had not thought it necessary
to take any further steps on the subject.—( Hear, hear.)
They were told in that newspaper that somebody,
in delivering a judgment in which Lord Glenlee's
judgment was not called into question, had taken
occasion to say that the Judges in Scotland had been
falsely, foully, and unjustifiably assailed, and that these
false, foul, and unjustifiable accusations, were made in that
House, and by Members of that House. Whether the
House agreed in the proceedings which had been
adopted in 1824 or not, he contended that the Members
of that House, on a question affecting the administration
of justice, whether in that country, in Scotland, or in
Ireland, had a perfect right to state their sentiments, to
assist the judgment of that House; and to take advantage of
the occasion of pronouncing a judgment—to take advan-
tage of the judicial gravity which belonged to the delivery
of a judgment, in order to impugn, and libel, and ca-
lumniate, the Members of that House, was, in his opi-
nion, a very unjustifiable use of the privileges belonging
to a Judge. That was the opinion of the Speaker when
in 1824 the case of Lord Eldon was brought forward
That was a case in which the Noble and Learned Lord,
with a very justifiable warmth (for whatever delays or hesi-
tation might be imputed to him, he was a most learned and
conscientious Judge) had resented imputations which were
utterly false. Although it might be right to bring the
question before the House, yet, with respect to the second
question, whether they ought to call to the bar the
printer of the newspaper, in order to proceed further in
the matter (and iu Lord Eldon's case he had doubts of the
propriety of proceeding further ; nor did he remember
voting for the motion, notwithstanding the able speech of
Mr. Brougham), whether the short-hand writer should be
called to the bar, was a matter which if the House de-
cided in the affirmative, he thought would neither tend to
their dignity, nor the reputation of those Judges who
sat in the other House. Last year when the Learned
Member for Dublin, at some tavern, accused Members of
that House of foul and false conduct, he (Lord J. Rus-
sell) thought as he did now, that Members of that House,
when satisfied of the integrity of their own proceedings,
would not be acting wisely by resorting to any vindictive
proceedings.--( Hear.) He therefore hoped that his
Hon. Friend would not persevere in the motion, but at
the same time he hoped that the Honourable Member
would not be deterred from doing what he considered to
be his duty in that House by any unmannerly language and
unjust aspersions--( Hear, hear)—and that he would ex-
press his opinions either with regard to the Scotch Judges
or to any other persons in authority freely and unreservedly,
convinced that all parties would believe in the purity of his
motives and his zeal for the discharge of his duties as a
representative of the people in the Commons House of
Parliament.—( Hear, hear.)
Sir ROBERT PEEL said he hoped the Hon. Mem-
ber for Aberdeen would not take the advice of the Noble
Lord, but that he would be careful how he made use of
the right which he possessed to call in question the com-
petency of the Judges who were far absent.--( Hear, hear.)
It was admitted in this case that the Judges whose compe-
tency had been impugned were Judges of the highest in-
tegrity and of the purest motives.—( Hear.) The Noble
Lord opposite had, it appeared, instituted inquiries into
the physical abilities of Lord Glenlee, and that the result
of that inquiry was perfectly satisfactory. Well, was
it at all wonderful that the friends of Lord Glenlee
should warmly vindicate him from the imputations
which had been cast upon him ?—( Hear, hear, hear.)
The Judges had been made independent of the Crown, and
the House of Commons possessed the right of presenting
addresses for their removal, but if the House was not dis-
posed to exercise that right, they should carefully abstain
from paralyzing their authority and diminishing their effi-
ciency, by imputations upon their ability.—( Hear, hear.)
The tendency of such proceedings would be to shake the
public confidence in the administration of justice. It was

Lo.rd MI NT 0--Decidedly.
Lord COLA: H ESTER— Well, then, it appeared to him
that the proper course to have been taken would have been for
the Commander to have made the circumstance known to the
Commander of the Satellite, and that he should have gone
immediately to Admiral Baudin and demanded such an ex-
planation as was necessary at the moment. If that course
had been pursued, then the House would have been spared
all this trouble. But, besides the French Gove, nment
ought to have received information of the affair ilamedi-
a•ely from their Admiral, and that Government oc ;ht to
have been prepared by this time to have given the rit ,:essary
information.

Lord LYNDHITRST—Was he to understand fiat, as
as the history of the facts he had given was concerned,
ey were as he had stated them ?

Earl MINTO—So for as the Government cou7 I give

any account of them they were as stated—that is, t!.e pilot
was taken out of the vessel. With respect to any of the
after proceedings, of course it was impossible for them
give any other account at present.
The Earl of HARDWICKE wished to know ahether
the British Consul at Vera Cruz was in possession of the
facts.

Earl VI INTO was not able to answer the question ; but
he had reason to believe that he was not.

TheNTarqnisor.CAN SDOWN E laid upon the table,
by command of her Majesty, returns of the mortality in the
Army.—Adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, MARem 8.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.

Mr. HUME presented a petition from the share-
holders of the Kilkenny Railway, stating that they had
subscribed a capital of 800,0001. to complete their line,
and that the Railway projected by the Commissioners
would materially interfere with it, and praying the in-
telference of that House.

RAILWAYS (IRELAND).
Mr. MACNAAIARA. presented a petition from the
Grand Jury of the county of Clare, expressing their
readiness to give land gratis for the making of a Railway,
and praying that the benefits of railway communication
would be extended to that county. . .

Mr. MAXWELL presented a petition from
Liverpool, stating that the granting of Corpo-
rations to large tows in Ireland would lead
to a repeal of the Union, and praying that,
whatever reform might be required in the present
Corporations, Protestantism might be preserved in-
violate.

Mr. BEAMISH presented a petition from Cork,
praying that the House would take measures to carry
the Report of the Irish Railway Commissioners into
effect.

PORTUGAL.
Lord SA NDON wished to ask the Noble Lord at the
head of the Foreign Department whether the Commission
appointed to inquire into the claims of British subjects
late in the service of the Queen of Portugal, had made
any progress in the duties that were entrusted to them.
He also wished to know whether the Commissioners were
not constituted of placemen under the Portuguese Go-
vernment, and whether they did not receive pay from that
state ?

Lord PALMERSTON said that the labours of the
Commission had been suspended in consequence of the
undecided state of the question. He believed, however,
that recently application had been made to the authorities
in Portugal, in order to enable the Commission to resume
its duties, and to settle the claims of the different parties.
Mr. W. DUNCOMBE begged to ask her Majesty's
Attorney-General when it was likely the Bill for the Re-
gistration of Parliamentary Electors would be committed ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Bill stood
for next Monday, but he could not pledge himself that it
would then come on, because Supply was very urgent, and
his Noble Friend had been several times disappointed in
bringing it on. There was no doubt it would be passed
through Committee before Easter.
Lord DUNGANNON gave notice that, on Monday i
next, he would move for certain returns made to the office ;
of the General Registrar of Births and Marriages.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE gave notice that, on the first Supply
day, he should move a resolution to the effect, That the House
having on a former day agreed to a resolution that no greater
r, strictions should be placed upon Theatrical entertainments
in Westminster than in other parts of the metropolis, her
elajesty's Ministers had thought fit to interfere in the
free and unfettered discretion of the Legislature by direct-
io!'' the Lord Chamberlain to restrict the performance of
Tlieatrical entertainments in the city of Westminster, and
thereby defeat the resolution agreed to by the Commons
House of Parliament.—( Hear, hear.)
OUTRAGES IN CANADA.
Me. O'CONNELL begged to ask the Hon. Under.
Secretary for the Colonies whether any information had
been received by the Government relative to an outrage
which had been published in the Conservative papers in
Cet ada, and which was stated to have been perpetrated by
Col. Prince, namely, that four persons had been murdered in
cold blood, after having been in custody a considerable time?
Whetherene of these men had not been allowed to run for his
life, aed then had been fired at and killed ; and whether
another of these men, who had been sent in charge of a
(agoon to head quarters, had not been taken from the
dragoon by Col. Prince, and shot ?
Mr. LA BO LTC HERE would state what information
had been received by the Government, but be-
fore he did so he would caution the House
against putting unlimited confidence in statements made
by the Canadian papers.—( Hear, hear.) He would
read an extract from a despatch sent by Colonel Prince
to S.e George Arthur, which was the only information
tl ey had with regard to the outrage. Colonel Prince
St it,,l that iii an engagement with the brigands
end pira•ee twenty-one were killed, besides four who were
1 taken Trisoners, whom he had ordered to be shut,
which order was accordingly put into execution.
no receiving that despatch, Sir George Arthur write to
Colonel Prince to require information of every circumstance
cenitewed with tae transaction. That information had
Inot yet been received in this country, and until he re-
ceiv,d it, the House would feel he ought not to say a
siegle wor I.—! Hear, hear.)
LORD BROUGHAM—BREACH OF PRIVI-
LEGE.
1 The B ANNE RM AN said he had to call the attention
of the House to a matter of privilege. A discussion had
arieen in that House as to the Judges in the Court of
Session in Scotland, 'in the course of which he had
aluded to one of the Judges of that Court—Lord
Glenlee—as being subject to great physical infirmity—as
Leing so deafa—that he was obliged to be prompted on the
Bench by his brother Judges. He had expressed his regret that
ouch a Judge should exercise judicial duties, and his opinion
that the Judges in Scotland ought to retire at a certain
,:e at a full salary, and a Bill to that effect had been in-
' tc-,:luced by the Lord Advocate. On Tuesday last a
fri,- n d bad asked him (Mr. Bannerman) whether he had
eeen the castigation which had been bestowed upon him
ie the House of Peers. He instantly procured a cepy of
the " Times" newspaper, in which he found a Report of '
some observations made by Lord Brougham, after giving
jelement in a Scotch appeal case, in which, after stating
that he knew Lord Gbenlee to be as strong and as vigorous
ie mind as ever, the Noble and Learned Lord concluded
by saying, " I have thought it my duty to say this, be-
cause it is the peculiar privilege of your Lordships to sus-
tlin and protect the Learned Judges when they are foully,
faleele, and unjustifiably attacked." He (Mr. Banner-
maa) had written to Lord Brougham inquiring if his
Lordship meant to apply those epithets " foul, false, and
u:justifiable," to him. Lord Brougham wrote in reply,
that be would not admit any man living to question him in
the discharge of his judicial duties.—( Hear, hear.) Upon
till,: he (Mr. Bannerman) had requested his Lordship, if
he would not answer as a Judge, to answer as a gentle-
man ; and that if he (Mr. Bannerman) did not hear from
him before Friday he would mention it in the House of
Commons. Lord Brougham replied that the Hon Gen-
tleman must be aware this was but a repetition of the for-
mer question, which he must decline answering, and as to
anything which the Hon. Gentleman might think fit to say
in the House of Commons, he must be guided by his
own consideration.—( Hear, hear.) The House would
see that the Noble and Learned Lord would not cuff r
him to question him as a Judge, but he might suffer
him to say, that having seen the report not only in the
" Times," but in the " Morning Herald" and " Morn-
leg Advertiser," nearly in the same words, no Lumen
bring would believe but that that speech was si oken.
The Noble arid Learned Lord alluded to Lord Eldon
arid said that if he had been living he would have
adopted the same course. Perhaps he might, b cause
with all the prudence, caution, and talents of that etni-
S2'et Judge, he did on one occasion accuse an Hon.
Member of this House, and on the judgment seat !Do, of
uttering a falsehood.—( Hear, hear, hear.) TL ,t in-
dividual was the Honourable Gentleman who now
filledthe Chair... o. f this House.—( Cries of " Hear, hear,
hear."). He (the Speaker) did not submit to that
wcusalMenor did he (Mr. Bannerman), think it right
,that he ralioxtit to be accused of making a false
skteMpue.. a Calumnious attack.—(Cheers.) The
11-4-*lsisn to pursue (said the Honourable Mem.
i :j • to2l34zti3e--- impressions p,r'
( ,
essions which were used on that
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very difficult to say what was physical incompetence fort entrusting with political power a constituency of which
judicial duties, and such imputations only tended to prevent he knew nothing. If at the expiration of any period it
the resignation of the Judge accused.—( Hear, hear.) shouid be proved that the rate.payers as a body in Irel Ind
Now, as to the precise motion which was before the House, were more independent in the exercise of ti.eir
for calling the printer of the " Times" to the bar, would the functions than the ten-pound householders, and
House agree to that motion when only a few days ago less likely to be swayed by the Catholic clergy, if they
they had refused to punish the author of attacks upon a were more likely to choose the men who would con-
Noble Friend of his (Lord Ashley) ? In the case which duct their business well without reference to their reli-
had been referred to, regarding the late Lord Eldon and gious or political creed, then it would be right in his
the present Speaker, he ( Sir R. P.) had opposed a similar Nobl ( Friend to call upon Hon. Members to consider
motion, and Mr. Canning. in resisting it, had concluded whether or not it would be wise and safe and desirable
his speech with these words :—" Sir, I oppose to substitute that franchise for the 101. households r.—
the motion to prevent the commencement of a series of ( Hear.) He ( Lord Stanley) entertained great doubt of
proceedings, the termination of which no one can antici- the manner in which such a constituency would discharge the
pate." Whether in the present case Lord Brougham had franchise entrusted to them, because be looked with great re-
spoken the words referred to or not, he ( Sir R. Peel) did • gret to the way in which the Poor-law Bill had been c af'!ied
not know ; but this he would say, that if Members of this into effect in the south of Ireland. He bad heard of no
House took advantage of their extreme right to attack place in the south of Ireland in which lists had not b en
Judges, they could not wonder if the friends of those prepared under the direction of Roman Catholic Clergy-
Judges vindicated them—( Hear, hear)—and he must men, the names generally put into those lists were perems
must further say, that any Peer of Parliament sitting as of the Catholic religion. He would not now enter further
a Judge of Appeal from the decision of Lord Glenlee, upon the discussion of this question, but he begged it dis-
hed a perfect tight, in affirming the judgment of that tinctly to be understood by the House that, in assenting
Learned Lord, to express his belief in the perfect capacity to the second reading of the Bill, he distinctly adhered
and the ability of that Judge.—( Cheers. ) to the necessity of enForcing the 101. franchise; that 10/.
Mr. W DUNCOMB E said that as it had been stated franchise being tested by the liability to the as,ess.
that Lord Brougham had frequently expressed great ani- ment, not to the amount of 101., but that the party was pos-
mosity against Lord Eldon, it was hut justice both to the sessed of a qualification to the amount of 10/. He had
living and to the dead, to say that Lord Brougham had thought it right at this early period of the debate to state
often in the House of Commons, in the House of Lords, what course he should pursue, and if he was called upon to
and on the Judicial Bench, borne his testimony to the divide he should for the second reading of the Bill.
great learning, the unsullied integrity, and unsullied elm_ Mr. O'CONNELL wished to know whether the N,.ble
racter of Lord Eldon.—( Hear, hear.) Lord intended to allude to any other case under the P.i.0..
The LORD ADVOCATE said he thought it very law Act except the otie at Limerick.
unfortunate that the expressions which had been referred Lord STANLEY said that he did not.
to should ever have been made use of.--( Hear, hear.) At Mr. O'CONNE LL said that such being the case he
the same time he thought that any Hon. Member had a would produce documents on Monday that would show
perfect right to inquire into the mode in which justice was the entire fairness of the popular pasty on that occasion.
administered in any part of the country. Sir ROBERT INGL IS then rose for the purposa of
Mr. WYNN considered that there was net the slightest moving that the Bill should be read a second time that day
pretence for the motion, and expressed his surprise that six months.—( Hear, hear.) After the statements of
any doubt should be entertained of the perfect right to the Noble Lord he felt that he had an exceedingly
vindicate any public authorities from attacks made in that difficult task to perform, but he had the consolation of
House. knowing that he was not opposing any measure to which the
Dr. L USHINGTON said he thought that such cx- Noble Lord had in the present or in any former Session given
pressions as had been alluded to, were most prejudicial to his assent. Notwithstanding what the Noble Lord had stated,
the interests of justice. With respect to Lord Glenlee, he (Sir Robert Inglis) considered he had a right to take his
the Noble Lord might have vindicated him from any impu- otawknencouorshee. He thoughtl
iiiu tfhoratany objections that had been
Englandreenatiplieed equally, if
c notr
tation, without alluding to what had passed in that House. more strongly,tttoreland. By th
Nothing could have been easier than for him to have said poration was to be swept awaywitehpout'inquirryasaunrd tveapypearet-1
that this judgment, like all the other judgments of Lord to him as if the House was willing to adopt a, course with re-
Glenlee, was distinguished by its learning and ability, spect to a class of Corporations that it would not adopt with
and showed that his Lordship, notwithstanding his great respect to one—for he would venture to say, if the measure
age, was as vigorous in mind as he had been twenty years applied to only one Corporation there would be no person
before.—( Hear, hear.) If this had been done, he should found in that House who would support it. To tt hat
have defended his Noble and Learned Friend's conduct ; purposes were the new Corporations to be applied that
but, notwithstanding a friendship of thirty years, which were to be raised in the room of the old ones? Why,
taking the statements of the friends of the measure—taking
subsisted between his Noble Friend and himself, lie the statements of the Hon. Member for Dublin, who had an
could not but express his regret that his Noble extraordinary sagacity in obtaining his ends, that Hon. Mem-
and Learned Friend should have so far forgotten ber had stated that the measure would have the effect of taking
what was due to the dignity of the judgment seat, as to the power out of the hands of those who at present posse ssed
have used expressions which must be considered as degrad- it, and giving it to another race. Let those support the Bill who
ing to the judgment seat itself, by converting that place, thought it of advantage. He did not think it would be of ad-
which should be devoted solely to the cool and impartial vantage, and therefore he should oppose it, because he firmly
administration of law and justice, into an arena of political believed it would have the tendency of raising the party in Ire-
discussion.—( Hear, hear.) With regard to the case of land who were opposed to the Church. He saw no advantage
the Earl of Eldon, that Noble Earl had defended himself that the measure was likely to produce, and as he had entered
against what he had considered aersonal attack, which he into
no compact to support other measures when the Poor-law
P
Bill and the Tithe Composition Bill were agreed
had much better have done elsewhere ; and he (Dr. Lush- to, he should strenuously oppose the present measure.
ington) perfectly recollected that at the time his Believing this measure not to be necessary, and seeing the evil
conduct was considered very imprudent ; he could bear consequences which would ensue, no consideration of pers •nal
testimony to the present intellectual vigour of Lord Glen- respect, by a-d towards those with whom he usually acted,
lee, from having studied his judgments ; but still he agreed should induce him to desert what he believed to be his duty.
with the necessity of some measure to enable Judges to re- With that feel ng of duty he now moved that the Bill be read a
tire after they attained $0 years of age. Ho did not think second time this day six months.—(Hear, hear.)
his Honourable Friend would think it necessary to Mr. BLACKSTONE, in seconding the motion, distinctly
press his motion, and he must say, that he re- denied that he had been a party to any compromise on this
gretted his Noble and Learned Friend had not question.—(Hear.) If the Noble Lord had introduced the
made some acknowledgment, when applied to on lihililewhhich vid-ashasenitiodoswn from the House of Lordss la..st ,-ear,
forll6yerofitrnatrhdisohtioilOis,eanhde
which
the subject. He hoped no misrepresentation would pwarsere!ectted byu ae mbay'oaritmaoj
take place of what had been said—it was painful might have consideredj himselfj iny some degree bound to give his
to use these terms, of one whose friendship he had en- assent to the principle of the Bill; but not only had another Bill
joyed for thirty years ; but he hoped that he should stand been introduced, but it was stated when the Bill was sent down
still higher in his friend's estimation for having done what from the House of Lords that it would he regarded as an insult
he considered his duty. to the people of Ireland. He saw very little analogy between
Mr. BANNERMAN said that a judgment had been Corporation Reform in England and Ireland. Corporations
delivered by a Judge who sat on the right of Lotd Glenlee in England were elected for a different purpose than they were
in the Court, and Lord Glenlee having been prompted in Ireland; and the English Municipal Reform Bill restored
agreed with that Learned Judge. The Solicitor-General the Corporations to the persons to whom they were originally
unpt ptohseeir a 10/ a
spoke in a low tone of voice, the judge on the left of Lord Protestant The Corporations inh larrelandswere only given for
Lord Glenlee was again prompted, and reversed the dcci- Protestants tog Romantransfer
fromth(Catatwhonul'ileds.enotH.
loss to know
sion he had pronounced five minutes before. This he had why Hon. Members on that (the opposite) side of the Ilouse
witnessed himself. He would withdraw his motion—at objected to give a decided negative to the measure. Let them
the same time give notice that he should move for an ad- fight the battle nobly ; let them be beaten, but let them not
dress on a future day, praying for a Commission to ewer. give up Protestant institutions for the sake of political expe-
tain whether any of the Scotch Judges were incompetent diency.—(Hear, hear.) If the Corporation question were
in consequence of physical infirmity.—( Hear.) settled, the next question brought forward would be the reduc-
Sir ROBERT ING LIS objected to permitting the tion of the Church Establishment. He was determined to
make his stand now, and resist any further encroachments on
withdrawal of the motion unless the threat of an address the Protestant institutions of the country.
were withdrawn likewise. Mr. SHAW entertained generally the same opinion on this
After a few words from Mr. Bannerman, Sir George question as he had formerly done—that it would be more for the
Clerk, and Sir Charles Grey, interrupted by loud cries of advantage of Ireland, and more conducive to the good Govern-
" Question, divide," the motion was put and negatived ment of the large towns, that the existing Corporations should be
without a division. abolished rather than that the present ones should be continued
DONNYBROOK FAIR. or new ones substit ted. He had many objections to the pre-
Mr. SHAW asked the Noble Lord if he intended to sent measure in detail ; he objected to the franchise, he ob-
propose measures to abolish Donnybrook fair ? jetted to the boundary ; but when the Bill went into Committee
Lord MORPETH said the subject was under consi he would endeavour to improve it to the utmost. If in its
present shape the Bill proceeded to a third reading, he should
deration. feel as liberty to oppose it entirely • but he felt it inconsistent
Mr. O'CONNELL asked whether any alteration had with ersonal honour a d oodfaith'to opp s the second
taken place with a view of increasing the efficiency of the —(Hear, hear.) Hendidgnot doubt that °bee shouldincr.neardeing.
con-
police at Donnybrook. sitlerable odium by the step he was about to take ; but let the
Lord MORPETH said it had been made last year. consequence be what it might, no consideration could weigh
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS ( IRE LAN D). with him when opposed to personal honour, and therefore he
Mr. S. O'BRIEN presented a petition from Ardagh, in had no choice.—(Hear, hear.)
favour of Municipal Reforms. Mr. H. GRA TAN said this question had been decided,
On the Order of the Day being read for the second read- not only in this House, but in another place ; and he would
ing of the Irish Municipal Corporations' Bill, suggest to the Right Hon. Baronet opposite whether it was
Col. VERNER moved as an amendment, that the wise and politic to exasperate the public mind by entering into
this fruitless course? He hoped Hon. Gentlemen would no
Order of the Day for the adjourned debate on the out- longer bring forward accusations against them as being hostile
rages in Ireland be now read. to the Church, because they supported the Government of the
Mr. MORGAN JOHN O'CONNELL suggested that Marquis of Normanby. The Corporation of Dublin had cx-
if the debate on Municipal Corporations were permitted to pended 70,0001., which they had been ordered by a Court of
come on Hon. Gentlemen could make the speeches on law, amongst their own friends—they had paid no debt, as had
that question which they had intended to have made on been ordered by a Court of law. He hoped that the Mon.
the motion of last night, more especially if they followed Baronet opposite would not divide upon the second reading
the example of the Learned Sergeant, whose speech fast of the Bill. He believed that no person was a more staunch
night was merely a repetition of his speech on Irish Muni- friend to the Protestant Church than the Right Hon. Baronet,
cipal Reform two years ago.----( Hear, and a laugh.) and he assured him that he perfectly concurred in everything
Mr. LEFROY said that the Hon. and Learned Mem- 111 r. D'ISRAELI that he felt upon that
had been taunted with being a bigot in
ber for Dublin had last night made an attack upon a religion,because of his vote on this question on a former even-
Noble Lord with whom he had the honour to be con-
ing, He was really anxious to disclaim any such bigotry of
fleeted. He hoped therefore the debate would be ad- feeling, for he really felt none such. Upon this question he
journed until Monday. had always felt that the real question at issue was whether there
Mr. O'CONNEL-L said he was willing to undertake the should be a local or a general Government. In England they
responsibility of all that could be authenticated as having had rather increased a weak form of Government, because that
been said by him against Lord Oxmantown. they had a strong central Government in Ireland ; but they were
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he was desirous to go bound to institute a strong centralized Government, because it
on with the second reading of the Irish Corporation Bill was a weak country. The Hon. Member for Dublin said
that niht, and afterwards with the Committee of Supply. tnhf
ns aittthtere. should—
be between the two countries an identity
g i ut ions--7t, lat Ireland should enjoy the fullness of the
He would not agree to any postponement of those ten- •
English Constitution.—(Cheers.) He received that cheer
portant measures. with pleasure, and upon it he would build his arguments
Sir R. PE EL thought that the understanding was against the Bill. The Constitution of England was a Constitu-
that the second reading of that measure should be pro- tion of Church and State. Would the Hon. Member accept
ceeded with that night. The early part of Monday night that Constitution ?No e ha
rt
would he looked upon the Church as iart
would be devoted to the Estimates, and afterwards the Irish of the Constitution, as a foreign innovation, and not only so,
Outrages Returns question might come on. As his Go- but he considered that the Constipation should not in any part
vernment had been attacked he would not pledge himself be of a Scriptural nature. If he would not take the Constitu-
to a silent vote on the Navy Estimates. tion in Church and State, what then became of the cry of
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it identity of institutions ? All Governments of Ireland had ;teed
was essential to the service of the country that the discus- upon the principle of centralization, and against the dogma of
identity of institutions. How otherwise could the present Go-
sion of the army and navy votes should not be postponed.
Mr. T. DUNCOM BE said he should proceed with vernment defend the systems of an armed police and stipendiary
magistrates. They had never formed any part of the Constitu-
his motion respecting the Westminster Theatres, on tion of England. All Governments during the last forty years
Monday, as announced, and would take the sense of the had given rise to a system unknown before—the system of ae'
it. agi-
House on it. tation—a system of refined innovation which was befo • ‘ und-
A conversation ensued respecting the adjournment of known—a system of legal violation of the law. He opposed
the last night's debate, in which Colonel Verner, Mr. the second reading of the Bill without any bigoted feeli)ritu,s
Shaw, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Lord John Rus- he knew that the result was not doubtful; but those who sup-
sell, and other Hon. Members took part ; it was agreed ported the Bill would hereafter find that, at present, by philoso-
that the discussion on the second reading of the Irish phy they might have got what they must then secure by the
sword.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Corporations Bill should be proceeded with. The Noble Mr. LITTON explained—He had been Counsel for the
Lord accordingly moved the second reading. Corporation of Dublin in the case 11 a uded to by the Hon. Diem-
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented a petition, signed ber for Meatn. He had formerly warned him against making
e assured
Cork, 10,000 inhabitants in the liberties of the city of such statements as he had done—he again did so for h
Cork, praying the House to introduce a Boundary Bill, him that there was no foundation in fact for them. The lion.
which should save the petitioners from having to pay city alember then went into a long detail of the case in Chancery.
rates, and also the hardship of coming seven miles to town With respect to the question now before the House he must say
to Petty Sessions. that it was with great regret he found himself obliged to differ
Lord STANLEY said he did not expect that any oppo- from those Hon. Members under whose political banners he had
so long acted ; but he must give his decided negative to the
sition would be made to the second reading of this Bill.
present measure. In the last Session, notwithstanding the
He felt himself bound not to oppose it now, as he had
concessions made by Honourable Members on his side
nest on a former occasion. He understood that Hon. Gen- had forced through the
of the House, the . Government
tlemen connected with Ireland and interested in the house a franchise which would have swamped the respectable
welfare of the Protestant Church should look with great constituencies of the borough-towns of Ireland. That Bill
suspicion, not only on this Bill, but also on the powers had been most properly rejected in another place. He agreed
which it proposed to give, and on the probable spirit in that reform was necessary to a certain extent in the Irish Cur-
which those powers would be exercised. It was easy to porations, but the present Bill was not reform, but degradation.
conceive that those suspicions—expressed as they On these grounds he should certainly oppose it.
would be by the constituencies of Hon. Gentle- Sir ROBERT PEEL felt unwilling to give a silent vote on
men, would be increased by the recent appoint- the present occasion. The question now to be discussed was
ments made by the Irish Government, which were whether they would re-construct the Irish Municipal Corpora-
not, in their opinion, conducive to the welfare of the Pro- tions on the principle of popular elections, or whether they would
testant Church in that country. With all respect for those depart from the course which they had adopted in the last and
motives, and making, at the same time, allowance for the preceding Sessions? He would refer shortly to the history of the
conduct of the Government, he would say that it was not question. In 1834 they had reformed the
(c.
jorporaantdminnstronfdEncngliaie
his intention to oppose the second reading of this Bill. He
eheiyhl ad
fdestroslted therseealef-netlaeteintinveprg ple,
1836 they had to .dee'tter-
would shortly state why he felt, in honour bound not to principle
pwhethereopopthueayrwreopuld apply the same principle to the Irish
oppose that second reading. The House had, in the last Corporations, or take another course. The question was, wile_
Session, bound itself not to oppose that second reading, ther it was possible to maintain in Ireland the self-elective
if they should obtain two measures which would be essen. principle after having destroyed it in England? After having
tial for the safe working of the Corporations Bill, and in- removed the civil disabilities under which the Roman Catholics
troducing the principle of popular election, and also laboured, and finding they were not practicallyaizlm itted to the
auxiliary to the interests of the Established Church. Those Corporations of Ireland, was it possible to maintain the principle
objects were obtained in the introduction of the Irish that the old Corporations should remain
on tie.,
basis on which the
C r orations should fill'upy
Poor-law Bill and the Bill for the settlement of the had found them—viz. that the existing P
s oeenerally and practice '
Irish tithe question. The one measure was a material thei vtahceanciers annsd continue tinpiii en
Protestants?
elections Y etscelon What he proposed was
security for the Elective Franchise. He hoped that the that consideringeo the provision that had been made for local
other would be efficiently administered by the Noble Lord government in Ireland —considering that a Bill had been in-
now appointed Viceroy for Ireland. Now, having obtained traduced by which every town was enabled to provide for its
those two measures, he would ask were not the Hon, local government, it appeared to him (Sir R. Peel) and his
Members who were pledged by the majority of the House friends tha wisest course in the convulsed state of that country
then bound to fulfill their contract now ?—( Hear, hear.) to abolish corporations altogether.—(Bear, hear.)re. They had
He could not say how other Hon. Members might feel, never yet offered any opposition to the second t!ding_of the bill.
but for his part he felt in honour bound not to swerve from They had never attempted to maintainttheeenpnritnrcairple
they had
37, they
would not, however, deny that the recent appointments of maintained the necessity of reform.
had maintained the principle, that the Corporations
the Government in Ireland had justly excited considerable she • -
should be abolished, but it was to dis-
alarm and apprehension amongst the friends of the Pro- guise the fact that their minorities were comparatively
testant Church in Ireland. But he looked with some hope small, their being in the first year eighty against them,
to the Administration of the Noble Lord appointed to and in the second about the same number. It was necessary
govern Ireland, having seen his
declaration to the effect to determine what course they should pursue. He wished he
that he was going not to change, but to administer the could act upon the principle which some Hon. Friends of his
direct
law, and to act with impartiality towards all classes, meant to pursue of giving the motion a
negative; and
They had given a pledge that when the Tithe Composition honoured as he was, and he felt more Honoured than if rank or
office had been conferred on him—with the confidence of the
and the Poor Law Bill had passed, they would enter upon
lead'd the most powerful p ye
other measures, and he (Lord Stanley) felt himself bound thatirega gentlehmen of Englen.d, anhe
could not take thatcouart"
by that pledge, and it was impossible for him, even if he
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en
int
nil:10 pohstithmena—very
convenient course, anrisleal
felt desirous, to swerve from it. But he begged leave to k
consistent one, to act in %at way ; but it was impossible, hay.
be distinctly understood, that in supporting the second ing the confidence of a powerful party, to refuse to give them
reading of the Bill, be pledged himself to adhere to the his opinion as to the course which, in the present difficult posi-
principles which be bad always maintained, that tion of public affairs, might be advisable. He had resolved,
in giving Corporations upon the principle of therefore, upon what appeared to him the wisest course, rather
popular election, he would not consent to be driven to than the two Houses of Parliament. should remain in eternal hos-
tility • and Friends that no difference lower the franchise.—( Hear, hear.) In assenting to the . , assuring his Hon. of
would interfere •
with that cordi-
principles of the present Bill he desired especially to
aortnion,hyi the present case,.
ted between the
guard himself against being held out as assenting to the llaughter,fromwich had always stuebrisais
1 side of the Housine.ilear, and
new principle introduced by his Noble Friend opposite, hesitation, the Minis in
giving ..
for these reasons,
whereby a different constituency would come into exist- sitating support to the second reading of the Bill, and try
once after the expiration of two years. He objected dis- to effect a settlement of the question on safe principles.
tinctly to pledge himself beforehand or prospectively to On a former occasion he had given no rash or precipitate

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, MARCH 9. 1839

pledge as to the course he should pursue. They had stipulated
in 1837 that the Poor-law Bill and the Irish Tithe Bill were

MANCHESTER AND BIRMING

HAM EXTENSION RAILWAY.

inseparably connected with the question of Municipal Reform ;
their opponents had denied it, but now they had got both.--
When that measure was last brought forward, Lord Normanby
was at the head of affairs in Ireland. No understanding had
been entered into with the Government, nor had any reserva-
tion been made as to who should be appointed in the event of a
vacancy. Lord Ebrington had been appointed, but that ap-
pointment did not entitle him to depart from the principle
he had laid down ; at the same time he did not de..y
that he disapproved of the appointment of that Nobleman.
(Cheers. ) He had heard the Noble Lord's speech and his ex-
planation; he admitted his private virtues, and he had no doubt
that it was his intention to administer the laws impartially, but
when he found a Nobleman selected to administer those laws,
who stated that he hoped the war against the Established
Church would be transferred from the poor to the rich, giving
him all due credit for good intentions, it was his firm belief that
his hands were paralysed by that declaration. The House
would recollect the scrutinising acuteness with which e• cry
appointment which he (Sir Robert Peel) had made was
watched.--( Cries of " Hear, hear.") Because he had ap-
pointed the Honourable Member for the University of Dub.in
and the lion. Recorder of Dublin Privy Councillors, had they
not fastened on him the charge of hostility to the Roman Catho-
' lies of Ireland, and yet they were men holding, not violent, but
strong opinions.--C Laeghter from the Ministerial benches. )
When he had selected the Noble Earl (Haddington) and his
Right Hon. and Gallant Friend the Member for Launceston to
administer the affairs of that country, did they not do all in
their power to prejudice those appointments, because an Orange
flag had been exhibited over the box in which the unconscious
Lord-Lieutenant sat, and of which he knew nothing?—( Cheers. )
Was that dealing out even-handed justice to all parties?—
(hear, hear.—Was it fair to th-t interests of the Church ?
Was it just to the Protestant Ministry of Ireland?—( Hear,
hear.) In assenting to this second reading of the Bill, there-

MEETING OF SHAREHOLDERS YESTERDAY
The half-yearly meeting of the Shareholders of the
Manchester and Birmingham Railway took place yester-
day, at the York Hotel, King-street, Manchester. The
meeting was very numerously attended.
THOMAS ASHTON, Esq., President of the Board of Di-
rectors, having been called to the Chair,
The Seal of the Company was affixed to the Register
of Proprietors, in pursuance of the provisions of the Act of
Parliament. After which,
The SECRETARY read the following Report of the Di
rectors :
The Directors beg to report that since the meeting of
Shareholders in September last, the works upon the part of
the line which had then been let, namely, between Man-
chester and Stockport, have been proceeding vigorously
and satisfactorily, and there is every reason to belies e that
the Railway connecting these two important towns will be
ready for the use of the public by the time contracted for,
namely, in May, 1840.
The survey of the line between Stockport and Congle-
ton, which was in progress at the period of the last meeting,
has been concluded, and the line staked out.
But, for reasons adverted to on a former occasion, it is
desirable to deviate from the present line of railway, and on
that account the letting of the line between Stockport and
Congleton and beyond that place, awaits the result of the
application now making to Parliament for power to effect
this object. The postponement of the letting, however,
involves no practical delay, inasmuch as the opening of the
line must be dependent upon the completion of the heavier
works of Stockport and Congleton viaducts.
These viaducts the Directors have consequently been
anxious to place under contract ; and the former of them
was let to most respectable contractors upon the thirteenth
day of November, and the latter on the fourteenth day of
February last, at sums both within the engineer's estimate.
The Stockport viaduct is to be completed in two years from
the date of the contract; the Congleton in two years and a
half from the like date.
In connection with the application to Parliament, to
which reference has been already made, the Directors may
mention that they also purpose to seek powers under their
intended Act to extend the line of railway in the township
of Manchester, by making an approach to the station front
Ducie-street, Piccadilly. By the arrangements thus de-
cided upon the fullest facilities will be afforded to the
traffic of the line, and the station of the railway, in point
of public convenience and central position, will, the
Directors believe, be the best which the town of Manchester
presents.
The Bill now before Parliament has passed the standing
orders, and Lord Francis Egerton has kindly undertaken
the charge of it through the House of Commons. The
orders of the Lords render it necessary to submit the Bill
to a future meeting of shareholders for special approval,
which meeting will be summoned at the earliest oppor-
tunity.
In reference to the next Session the Directors have
given notice of their intention to apply to Parliament for
power to construct a branch to Macclesfield in substitution
of that which the Company are now authorised to make.
That there are various objections to the present branch can
scarcely be matter of surprise when it is recollected that it
was laid out as part of the main line of the late South
Union Company, and converted into a branch whilst the
Bill was before Parliament rather as a guarantee to the
town of Macclesfield that a branch would be made for its
accommodation than as at all binding the Company to the
construction of the line as laid down in the Parliamentary
plan. And the Directors are happy to state that by
means of the proposed branch the public will have a better
and safer line.
The public atteation is now directed to the question of
a junction of the termini of the railways entering Man-
chester, and the Directors of this Company, with a view to
effect this object, and in pursuance of their declared inten-
tion of upwards of two years ago, have caused plans to be
prepared of lines of railway branching from the station at
Store-street, by which a junction with all the other rail-
ways terminating in Manchester will be effected. The
advantages of a connecting line of this description, pos-
sessing good engineering properties, is too obvious to re-
quire further comment.
PURCHASES OF LAND.
The purchase of property is proceeding satisfactorily.
In some instances the Directors have had recourse to a
jury ; but they have done so with reluctance, and only in
cases in which the nature and extent of the claims made
upon the Company left them without an alternative. The
verdicts thus obtained have realized a large saving to the
Company's funds.
The Directors have also successfully resisted certain at-
tempts to restrain the Company by injunction from taking
possession of land under the powers of their Act.
THE ACCOUNTS.
At the last meeting the Directors submitted to the Pro-
prietors a statement of accounts commencing with the
payment of the first call under the Act, and made up as the
Act directs to the 31st of July last.
At this meeting a similar statement of accounts will be
presented for the half-year terminating on the 31st of Ja-
nuary last.
The statement laid before the last meeting for its sanc-
tion, could not properly comprise an account of the
moneys received and expended antecedently to the passing
of the Act, because it was matter of arrangement when
the amalgamation of the late Manchester South Union and
Manchester, Cheshire, and Staffordshire Companies took
place, that all accounts connected with the respective Com-
panies, from the year 1835 to the close of the Session of
1837, should, so far as related to each Company, be ad-
justed and settledi under the authority of its own Provi-
sional Committee. These accounts may be inspected by
the shareholders of the respective Companies, on applica-
tion to Mr. Ellis and Mr. Foss, the late Secretaries to the
Cheshire Junction and South Union Companies.
TIIE EXTENSION RAILWAY.
This is a subject to w hick the Directors do not in-
tend now particularly to advert, as they deem it better
to await the result of the investigation, which is proceed-
ing upon the subject of the Standing Orders, before they
enter (as it will be their duty to do), into a public
statement of the sort of opposition they are encountering,
and of the parties by and for whom it is promoted.
To all who are acquainted with the Standing Orders, it
is perfectly well known that a literal compliance with them
is not attainable ; but it has never happened, until this
occasion, that the orders, which were intended for the pro-
tection of landowners, and to see that due information was
given to them of the intended interference with their pro-
perty should be used, as they now are not by the landowners„
for that wholesome and legitimate purpose, but by a com-
bination of Railway and Canal Companies, as a means of
preventing inquiry into the merits of a proposed public

fore, he must not be understood as viewing the appointment of
Lord Fortescue without apprehension. Now, as to the en-
gagement which he had entered into : he had not entered into
it individually—he had con erred with every one who did him
the honour to consult him—he could not, of course, bind
those who had refused their assent to the arrangement, but he
could not consider himself justified in varying the course which
he adopted last year on this subject. It would be painful to
him if he felt that the obligation ho had thus entered into was
inconsistent with the dictates of sound policy ; but he did
not think that was the case. In the present situation of affairs
he did not see any course preferable to the attempt to remodel
the Corporations, endeavouring to secure to the Protestants in
those Corporations their due influence. An attempt had been
made for two Sessions to obtain the extinction of Corporations,
but these attempts had failed. And what was now to
be done ? Were Corporations to remain as they wore ? In-
dividuals might evade these practical questions, but a great and
powerful party—exercising an important influence in that
House—most approach their settlement. ( Hear, hear.)
The Hon. Member for Bandon (Mr. Sergeant Jackson)
had last night stated that the Learned Member for Dublin,
had not the command over the respectable part of the Catholic
population in Ireland—and that the Precursor Rent for the
whole province of Connaught only amounted to twenty-five
pounds. Might not this disinclination to agitation arise from
a hope that the Conservative party in that House would re-
deem their pledges and agree to the consideration of this
question? And would not the agitation of the Learned
Member for Dublin be much more successful if those pledges
were not redeemed? —( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Bart.
concluded by expressing his resolution to support the second
reading of the Bill.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said he hoped a division would
take place, as it would show the union which prevailed en the
other side of the House.
Mr. MAXWELL said he should vote against the second
reading of the Bill without deference to any leader—(Minister-
ial cheers)—and in conformity with a pledge which he had
made on the hustings at Cavan—to vote against a measure
which in his soul he believed would advance the democratic
principle in Ireland—strengthen the malign and pernicious in-
fluence of the 'Catholic priesthood, and depress the persecuted
Protestants of that country.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said he found himself in
the same position with the Noble Lord (Stanley) and
the Right Honourable Baronet (Sir Robert Peel).
He considered himself pledged to support the second reading of
this Bill, but Hon. Gentlemen opposite would find their mis-
take if they thought the numerous and respectable party on that
side of the House was not determined to maintain the Protest-
ant interests of the country.—( Hear, hear.) There might be
some slight difference as to details, but they were unanim MIS as
to the principle, and although he (Sergeant Jackson) would
vote for the second reading, yet he should insist that there
should be a bona fide franchise of 101. tested by rating, and
such was the unanimous feeling on that side of the House.—
(Hear, hear, from the Opposition benches.)
Mr. ELLIS rose amidst loud cries of " Divide ! Divide !
Question ! Question !" which continued' during the whole time
he was addressing the House. We understood him to say that
I,e trusted, although the Hon. Bart:considered himself pledged,
he would not deny theright of other individuals to come to a dif-
ferent judgment on,the question. He had not voted in favour
of either the latter Bill or the Poor-law Bill, because he had
no confidence in those who had proposed those measures, and
he considered the institution of the Precursor Society a breach
of the pledge which had been given on that occasion.—(Loud
cries of " Order, order, " " Divide, divide," amidst which
the Hon. Member sat down.)
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
For the second reading

Against it 39
Majority in favour of the second reading —261
Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that the House now resolve
itself into a Committee of Supply.
11r. BAGGE moved that the House now adjourn.—(Hezr,
and strong cries of " No.")
Col. SIBTHORP seconded the motion. He then took
occasion to express his astonishment at having received an invi-
tation from a Committee appointed to prepare a public dinner for
the Hon. Member for Middlesex, on the ground that he (Col.
Sibthorp) had invariably supported iMr. Hume in his mea-
sures of economy. Be that as it might, he would not dine
with the Hon. Member for Middlesex.—( Great laughter. )
He would say, however, that if the Hon. Member would intro-
duce his promised economic measure for the abolition of Lord-
Lieutenant for Ireland he would then be consistent.
Mr. HUME said he would introduce that measure when he
could do it not later than half-past ten in the evening. With
regard to his having invited the Hen. and Gallant Colonel to
dinner—
Col. SIBTHORP—But I won't dine with you.—( Great
laughter. )
Mr. HUME—I have not been invited myself yet.
Col. SIBTHORP —Then it must be a hoax.—( Laughter. )
Mr. BAGGE again moved that the House adjourn. He
thought they had done enough during the last two nights.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL objected, on account of the im-
portant and pressing nature of the business now before the
House.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. BAGGE persisted in his motion, and demanded the
sense of the House on it.
Strangers were therefore ordered to withdraw, and the
HcaPe divided, when there s.ppeared—
For the Adjonrnment
Against it
Majority against the Adjournment --275
On our re-admission to th 3. gallery, we found
Sir F. TRENCH moving the amendment of which he had
given notice. He said that up to the close of the last Session,
he had consulted every Member who had fallen in his way.
Some thought there was too much light, and some too
little ; but at the close of the Session he believed he had suc-
ceeded in accommodating the House. Previously to that time,
those who sat in the galleries had their eyes burnt out, and
those who sat in the body/ of the House were unable to read.—
(Cries of "Move, move. ) He should be satified to do so, but
he found that a new experiment was to be introduced. He
hoped the House would allow him to have the lustres and shades
put in the position in which he wished to have them, before they
allowed the experiments of the philosophers.—(Laughter. )
The proposed light was certainly a most beautiful one, but it
was most dazzling and pernicious.—(Laughter.) If they were
an assembly of eagles, instead of an assembly of gentlemen, he
did not know that they could object to it.—(Loud laughter. )
Dr. Reid had received 1,0001. for his experiments, and most
deservedly—.all he wanted in way of consolation was that the
lights should be placed in such a situation as would give his
plan a fair trial.—( Loud cries of " Move, move.") They ought
not to condemn his system without having had an oppor-
tunity of seeing its effect. He was about to be put
in compe ition with a new light—(Loud laughter)—
but they had no right to do so until they had seen the full effect
of his plan. He ought to be peculiarly under the patronage of
the Hon. Member for Kilkenny.—(Laughter.) He would
content himself, seeing the impatience of the House, and eon.
elude with proposing the motion he had upon the paper.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER felt himself
obliged to oppose the motion on the ground that it rested upon
the speeches of Hon. Members of the House in a former session.
That itself was irregular, as it was not competent to refer to
former debates.
The SPEAKER then read the motion amidst loud laughter.
—" On going into a Committee of Supply, to move as an amend-
ment—That it is the opinion of this House that the old system
of lighting the House of Commons was not satisfactory to the
Members who sat in the body of the House, and was ' ex-
tremely distressing' (Mr. Pryme) to those who sat
in the galleries. That if gentlemen sitting in the
gallery suffered inconvenience, it was fitting that that
inconvenience should be immediately remedied.'—( Lord
John Russell.) That a Member of this House did un-
dertake to apply a remedy ; and that, after much trouble, and
many experiments, the existing plan was adopted, and
appeared to give general satisfaction up to the close of
the Ist Session. That, before the meeting of Parliament
in the present Session, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Hume, and Lord
Duncannon, did inspect the Philosophical Oxygen Bude
Light,' with a view to its applicability to the lighting the
House of Commons; that the making this experiment neces-
sary implies that the existing system is defective and unsatis-
factory, and Members will be called upon to make a com-
parison between the present system and that system of Philo-
sophical Light which is contemplated as its substitute. That the
lustres now suspended in this House have, in this Session, been
deprived of nearly one-third of their intended light and of all
their intended softness. That, with a few to justice and a fair
trial upon a point so important to the convenience and comfort
f the Members of this House, it is fitting' that the lustres
should be presented to their criticism in the manner proposed
by the individual to wham was confided the dangerous honour
of attemptinc, to make arrangements that might meet with
general satislation. That, therefore, it is the opinion of this
House that the proper officer be directed to replace the
branches and candles that have been removed, and to colour
the inside of the shades pale green.
The expense per night being for candles 6 3
And for colouring, &c 0 7 0

Total ...£1 13 3
But the mere machinery for the new plan will cost 2,000/., and
the experiment will probably cost 2001.
Sir F. TRENCH--He had no objection to give the ex-
periment a fair trial ; but why, if the House was satisfied with
the present mode of lighting the House, should they try any
other? He would withdraw his motion, and put the last para-
graph on the Minutes for another occasion.
- Capt. PECHELL was about to address the House, but was
met with cries of " Order."
The motion was then withdrawn.
SUPPLY.

On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
Capt. GORDON objected to going into the Committee of
Supply at that late hour of the night.—(Cries of "Go on,"
and " No, no.")
Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection, if such was the wish
of the House, to postpone the Committee till Monday next.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought in a Bill to
amend the Insolvent Debtors Act. The object of the Bill was
to provide for the maintenance of poor debtors in the Queen's
Bench Prison.

Some discussion took place as to the propriety of introducing
such a measure without a previous resolution of the House, in
which Lord Stanley, Sir James Graham, and Mr. Hume took
part.
The Bill was finally withdrawn.
On the motion of Lord MORPETH the Lords Amendment
to the Poor Relief (Ireland) Act Amendment Bill were
agreed to.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Half-past Twelve.

It appears from the German papers that we may
shortly expect to see the Hereditary Grand Duke of Russia
in London,

measure.
The Directors are sanguine in their expectation that this
attempt will signally fail, but they do not disguise that the
species of unworthy warfare, to which their opponents have
resorted, is a source of much expense and annoyance.
THOMAS ASHTON, Chairman.
Mr. Buck, the engineer, then read his Report, which
was as follows :
TO THE DIRECTORS OF THE MANCHESTER
AND BIRMINGHAM RAILWAY.
GENTLEMEN-In accordance with your instructions, I
submit the following Report on the progress and state of
the works. Those parts of the line which are contracted
for and in progress extend from Fairfield-street, in Man-
chester, to the south side of Daw Bank, on the Cheshire
side of the river Mersey, at Stockport. This distance :is
divided into five contracts, which are separately noticed as
follows, viz.:—
Contract, No. 1, or Fairfield-street Contract.—Com
menced August 14, 1838. Time of completion eighteen
months. This contract is 1,155 feet in length, and com-
prises the first portion of the viaduct by which the Rail-
way leaves the depot in Manchester ; it consists chiefly of
arches of brickwork, varying in space from 30 to 45 feet,
and of one cast-iron arch of 128 feet 9 inches span. The
progress hitherto made is consistent with the work being
completed within the specified time.
Contract No. 2, or Chancery-lane Contract.—Com-
menced August 14th, 1838. The time for completion is
eighteen months. This contract is 2,136 feet in length,
and consists of the second portion of the viaduct by which
the railway leaves the town of Manchester. The con-
tractor has not yet had possession of all the land, but is
expected to have it in the course of a few days hence, and
the whole will be completed with ease in the specified time.
Contract No. 3, or Hyde-road Contract, is 1,900 feet,
and comprehends the third, or last portion of the viaduct
issuing from the town of Manchester. It is not yet com-
menced, by reason of the obstacles which have hitherto
prevented the Company from obtaining possession of the
land ; but as it is expected that the contractor will have
possession in the course of a few days, such arrangements
may be made as will ensure no delay arising from this un-
avoidable postponement of operations in this part of your
works.

Contract No. 4, or Heaton Norris Contract, extends
from the Hyde-road at the south end of No. 3 contract, to
near the right bank of the river Mersey at the town of
Stockport ; its length is four miles twenty. six chains. It
also includes the ballasting and laying of the permanent
way upon contracts, one, two, and three. It dates:from
September 11th, 1838, and the time for completion is
twenty months. The heaviest work on this contract is a
cutting of 409,000 cubic yards, the whole of which is to be
carried to embankment; and 350,000 yards of this quan-
tity are to be carried in one directi, n. About 80,000 yards
have been already excavated. The contractor is proceed-
ing actively and judiciously ; on the 18th of this month, he
will commence night work, and he is making such arrange-
ments as will enable him to calculate upon completing 4te
embankment to the end of the third contract, by Novem-
ber next, when he will be ready for laying three miles of
the permanent way ; and there appears to be little doubt of
his performing his contract in the specified time, namely, by
May, 1840.
Contract No. 5, or Stockport Viaduct Contract, dates
from November 13th, 1838. The time for completion is
two years. It consists of a viaduct of 22 arches, of 63 feet
span each. The first stone of this structure has been laid
to-day, and the contractors are making arrangements for
proceeding vigorously with their work
Contract. No. 6, or Congleton Viaduct Contract.—This
work has just been lei. and is to be compl,ted in two and a
years. consists of forty-two arch. s, each of sixty feet
span. Prepara'.ions have commenced by throwing up clay
for making about 150,000 bricks during the present year.
This work is that which may be expected to require a
longer time for execution than any otto-r of the line, and
therefore its being now commenced will facilitate the ma-
king of such arrangements in the future lettings, as will
tend to bring all the other parts of the railway towards
completion nearly 'at the same period —I am, Genticm n,
your obedient servant,

GEORGE W. BUCK.

Manchester, March 6th, 183 Q.
The SECRETARY having read a statement of the receipts
and disbursements,
Mr. BRADSUAW moved, which was seconded by Mr.
HORNER, that the report and statement of accounts be adop..
ted, and together with the engineer's Report, be circulated
among the Proprietors.
Dr. LYON, before that motion was put to the meeting,
wished to ask whether it would not be better to complete

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