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any, but that afterwards be thought he should like some
and went and got them. The Magistrate observed that
this was a most improbable story ; he should convict him
of the offence, which he considered an aggravated one. as
it was stealing from the poor man's garden that which was
the produce of his industry, and which was necessaril)
very much exposed to the depredation of men like the de-
fendant. .He hoped the punishment ho should award
(three months' bard labour) would be a lesson to the
prisoner, and a warning to others, .not to spend their
Sunday as he bad done in robbing those who were as poor
as himself.—Essex Herald . ~.
RUN WITH STANFORD-LE-HOPE HAR-
RlERS.—Saturday last was fixed upon for cloying the sea-
son with this pack, and the dawn of the morning bid fair,
from the showers of the previous day, for an excellent run,.
if the out-lying deer could be aroused from their sylvan re
treat ; fur though the task may to some appear be-
yond the compass of harriers, all difficulties could be
overcome by the veteran leader of the hunt. Piggotts
Bushes and the whole of the large Dunton covers having
been drawn, it was.determined to draw Dog Wood, at He•
rongate, so celebrated for contributing varment to the late
Thorndon pack. The approach to this cover was an-
nounced by a sui:en dash of the hounds, which
caught the quick eye of their huntsman, who imme-
diately, upon a challenge from those gentlemen eat), -
rieneed in the tactics of the field, responded in the usu 1
strain of harmony, and for the last time this season h 1
and valley rang with the music of the merry pack. Ti e
deer went away in full view of hounds and horseme, ,
crossing the Dunton road for Bottle-down Hill ; the n
headed to the right, back through the various covers : t
Dunton and Piggotts Bushes, where the hounds divided,
about half going away in the direction for Lord Petre's
Park, but all seemed right with the others, they were on
the line of the deer, and the huntsman, who here showed
great tact, waited for the hounds that were at fault, got
them together and lifted them on to a bend at East Horn-
don ; here every hound acknowledged the scent and dashed
away at a pace truly severe. The deer stood for Dunton
Hall, passing directly in front of Mr. Squiers', through the
meadows, and on to the well-known sportsman's, Mr
Wallis, to whose surprise the deer and hounds dashed
through the large mote and garden, as though determined
\
to remind the occupier there were still charms in the
chase ; from hence they crossed the great fiel,is of Mr.
Gott's of Bulphan, at a killing pace, and over this beauti-
ful open country to Mr. Lawrence's, of f-lorndon-on-the-
Hill, where the hounds showed their staunch bottom and
blood, and could this gallant little pack have shaken off
their leader it would have been manifest " This day the
stag must die." The deer, having taken the pastures for
the hill, was run into in the open field and secured by the
kind assistance of Mr. Lawrence and others, whose off'rs
of hospitalit
En,psh spirYit.gal proof of their retaining the right old
__Essex .Herald.
JOBBING PETER T
illustration of the absurdityOof
Postage is found in the fact that
depart-
ments not privileged
, coach and pay carriage
tin
to frank actually
PAY PAUL —A curious
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postage account ; although their payments for postage are
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with it, but his constituents bad expended a consider-
able sum of money in a line remaining nearly parallel
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mar 14. Ito the proposed one, and they asked naturally enough
The SPEAKER took the C air at the usual hour. , that the present line should not be proceeded with until
The Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the M. le, 'L it was seen whether the public would not be fully served
and summoned the House to the House of Lorde to , by that which was now in progress.
hear the Royal Assent given to several Bills (for which l Mr. M. PHILLIPS could not conceive bow it was
see Lords' report). ,es- 1 I possible for the people of Leicester to imagine that they
could be injured by the present Bill. With respect to
Mr. EASTHOPE presented a petition from L id
what had fallen from his Friend below bim relative to
ter against the Manchester and Birmingham Extension I
Railway Bill. the parties connected with this measure, he had only
On the motion of Mr. Alderman COPELAND the to remind him of that which no man knew better than
Stefferilshire Potteries (Police Improvement) Bill, and himself, that when the men of Manchester put their hands
the_ Staffordshire Potteries (Stipendiary Justice of the to any contract for a railway, no men were more deter-
Peace) Bill, were read a third time and passed. mined to carry out the work which they had begun.
The Reports of the Committees on the following —(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Baronet who had
Bills were brought up :—Rampton (Cambridge) In- opened the opposition to this Bill, had spoken very
closure ; Barton (Cambridge) Inclosure ; Comberton closely to his brief, but he felt bound to say that that
(Cambridge) Inclosure ; Bury, Haslingden, &c. Roads; brief had greatly exaggerated the case. The Hon.
Ulitheroe, Blackburn, &c. Roads ; Mcrville and Shipton Member for Shropshire had spoken of the railway that
Road ; St. Leonard's rind Sedlescomb Road ; Rugby was to connect the present with Manchester as a
and Warwick Road ; Southmolton Roads; London railway in nubibus. Now he would take upon himself
and Birmingham Railway ; Northern and Eastern Rail- to say that. it was no such thing, as it was, in fact, now
way (No. 2) ; South-Eastern Railway; Herefordshire in progress, and, combined with the railway proposed by
and Gloucestershire Canal ; Birmingham Canal ; Eye- the present Bill, it would effect a saving of upwards of
mouth H irbour ; Camber (Portsmouth) Quays, .&c. ; 20 miles. Before he sat down he felt bound to observe
Over Damen Gas. upon the very unfair opposition that had been made to
The Edecifield and Little Bolton Road Bill was read a the present Bill. The expense to which this Railway Com-
second time. ' pany had been put in the investigation before the Conn-
The Kingstead (Northamptonshire) Inclosure Bill mittee on the petition had amounted to the enormous sum
was read t third time and passed. of 10,0001. When he stated that 30 miles would
MANCHESTER AND BIRMINGHAM EX- be saved between Manchester and London in addition
TENSION RAILWAY BILL. to the saving effected by the gradients, he trusted it was
Sir E. WEL MOT presented too petitions, one from unnecessary for him to say more in support of the second
Warwick, the other from Birmingham, against this Bill, reading of the Bill.
Mr. BROTHERTON, presented a petition in its Lord SANDON said the saving, in fact, was
favour. only 12 miles, and the question at issue was whether
On the motion for the second reading of the Man- they would effect a saving of 12 miles in a
cheater and Birmingham Extension Railway Bill (Stone distance of 200 at the expense of 1,200,0001. upon
and Rugby), several Members crowded round the table the estimate. The dissentients upon the line were
to present petitions on the subject. When they had fully oae-third. of the whole extent, and the county was
resumed their places, almost purely agricultural. He conceived the House
Sir E ARD LEY W ILMOT rose and said that he would be doing great injustice in trenching upon the
opposed the second reading of this Bill with great comforts of so large a portion of the landowners, when
reluctance, because be held that no Bill should be op- the prospect of advantage held out to the public was so
posed on its second reading, and prevented from going small. But the true key to this movement was
before a Committee, unless upon strong and important Manchester.—(Hear, hear.) It was the pride
grounds. He was also reluctant, because there was no of Manchester to have a line to itself, and the
prima facie case against this Bill in the first in- whole question was whether a saving in dis-
stance, but there were circumstances in the case which tance of twelve miles, and in time of half an hour,
should induce the House to regard this as a pro- should be effected against the wishes of the landowners.
position which, although apparently for the public This was a case in which the second reading ought to
advantage was in reality injurious and unjust. The be opposed, for only two days ago the parties now en-
grounds of opposition to this Bill might be arranged gaged in forcing on the Bill were the parties who then
under two heads, private and public ; with regard to-the opposed it. He was at a loss to know what during that
character of the private grounds of opposition, it must time had effected so great a change in their opinions as to
be known to the House that a Railway Company had warrant putting the parties to so enormous an expense.
been established between Birmingham and London at Much blame had been thrown upon the opponents of
a great expense, and therefore the House should pause thii Bill for the number of objections which had been
before they sanctioned the construction of another taken to the Bill on the standing orders. That wa a
railway, which would tend to interfere materially, most singular argument. The reason of the great num-
with the one already established, and in which capital ber of objections which had been taken, was the
to such a large amount was invested. With re- number of errors which had beeri committed, owing
gard to the public grounds of opposition to the to the Bill having been a rash and hastily got up
second reading of this Bill, he had presented three petitions scheme. He (Lord Sandon) believed that the existing
signed by upwards of 1,500 persons, which stated that line was quite sufficient, and that the dissent of the
the only objeect of the Bill was to shorten the distance landowners on the proposed Extension Line was sufficient
between Manchester and London 121 miles, making a ground for the opposition to the second reading of the
saving in time in time of 15 minutes, which time would 73,iii. I
be partially if not wholly lost by the necessity they would Mr. P. THOMSON said he should not detain the
be under of stopping at Rugby. That three of the House but for a very few moments, as he felt it
most important towns between Manchester and London, utterly impossible for him to add to the effect of
namely, Walsall, Birmingham, and Coventry, the speech which had been made in favour of the
would be missed by the proposed hoe which Bill, by the Right Hon. Bart. (Sir Robert Peel.) He
would go through the towns of Lichfield, could not help, however, observing upon one remark of
Tanaworth, and Rugby, towns of less importance ; the his Noble Friend (Lord Sandon), that the Bill was
town of Birmingham, possessing a large population, supported for the advantage of Manchester.—(Lord
would be seriously injured by this railway. There was Sandon, " No, the pride of Manchester.r)—lf he knew
another public reason which the House would perhaps anything of his (Mr. P. Thomson's) constituents—
consider of more importance than any which he had yet he was convinced that they would not spend
urged : he held in his hand the Bill, which said, thfileti re
Manchester,vme
ne aedy m iftothri
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admitting that
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" Whereas the railway from Birmingham to Manches-
b
ter, in the parish of Stone ;" there was no such thing of
as this Railway in existence. Last year a Bill had Friend (Lord Sandon) appear—for the Grand Junc-
tion ?—(Hear, hear.) The question, however, really
passed that House for making such a Railway, but it
was not yet completed ; indeed, it was scarcely begun, was, whether the opposition of rival railroads which
and the present Railway was to go from this already existed was to be allowed to prevail, not against
ideal Railway to Manchester. A similar case
had occurred a few Sessions back, when a Bill the establishment of a railway, but against the considera-
tion of the Railway Bill in Committee. If the House
was brought in for the Portsmouth Railway to join the rejected this Bill upon such grounds, it might as well
Southampton. The Southampton Railway was not at once pass 'a resolution establishing a positive mono-
then completed, and on that ground the House rejected poly for every railroad now in the country.—(Hear,
the Bill. He could see no ground why the hear.) It was difficult to meet the exactions of rail-
whole trade of Manchester and London should roads ;of course the Railway Companies, following the
be taken from Birmingham, . which would be principle of self-interest, would endeavour to make as
seriously injured by this Bill. This, and the cir- large profits -as possible, and the public mat put
cumstance of the Stone Junction Railway not being up with it ; at least the only way to prevent it was by
completed, constituted, be thought, a prima facie case securing general competition.—(Hear, hear.) The
against this Bill, and he should move that it be second town in the empire—Manchester sought
read a second time that day six months. an easier communication with the metropolis—
Mr. 0. GORE had also a strong objection to oppos- the Standing Orders had been complied
with,
in a Bill on the second reading, but he believed there notwithstanding most unfair opposition.—Hear, hear.)
were were strong grounds for opposing it. It was a parallel The landowners on this line were as much in favour .2f
railway, and however gentlemen might approve of great the railroad, as the landowners on any other line had
lines of railway running like arteries through the coon- ever been ; and he should be much grieved, if this Bill
try, yet if the present system were allowed, the country were not allowed to go before a Committee.
would. be cut. up in every direction, and the country gen- Mr. BROTHERTON said that when they consi-
tlemen would be obliged to give up their residences al- dered the immense population of Manchester, he did
together in consequence of making the country com-
not think it was too much
pletely an iron-fare instead of green fields and plants- for them' to ask to be permitted
to have a road thirty miles nearer the metropolis than
tions.—(Hear, and a laugh.) It was stated that they had at present. Another reason for the House
!he saving between London and Manchester would acceding to the present Bill was, that in the event of
be thirty miles, but the Bill that had been already any accident occurring on one line of Railway, it was
passed, included 18 miles of that saving, and of that of the greatest importance, that there should be another
there were only five miles made, although the Bill was line of Railroad open, in order to keep open the com-
passed in 1837. What guarantee had they that the munication —(Cries of " Divide, divide.")
present line would ever be completed ? He held in his
An HON. MEMBER rose to correct a slight mistake
hand a letter from a Mr. Norbury, received that morn-
which had occurred in the course of the debate. It
mg, who stated that he had been refused adequate
had been stated that it passed through a purely agri-
compensation, that his ease was a very hard one, and if
cultural district, whereas it passed through Tamwortb,
he (Mr. 0. Gore) was of the same opinion, requestine.
c: the Potteries, and several other large towns.
him to oppose the Bill. He would cordially second
the motion of his Hon. Friend. . Lord INGESTRIE thought it his duty to explain
EEL rejoiced very much at the his reasons for the course he intended to pursue. Indi-
'Sir ROBERT P
large attendance of that evening, because he presumed vidually he was of opinion that a case for the Bill bad
not been made out, inasmuch as there existed already
there must be a considerable number of impartial mem-
hers who would give their votes uninfluenced by any a communication between Manchester and London, in
which capital had been invested to a large amount, and
of the Bill. He should ask the House whether it was time sufficient had not elapsed for the repayment of that
oossible to reject a Bill upon the second reading, upon capital. This was a public reason, but he had also in-
such arguments as they had just beard.—(Hear, hear.) dividual reasons—(A laugh)—with which he would not
now trouble the House. But understanding that
Why, his Hon. Friend had been obliged to find a new
derivation of the word " Monopoly," to support his his constituents—many of them—took an interest
in this Bill, he f,lt he should be guilty of disre-
wgument, contending that the more railways were
spect toiyards. them if he did not let this Bill go before
multiplied, the more the monopoly would be increased.
['he Hon. Gentleman contended that there was only a Committee in order to have its merits investigatenved.
i saving of fifteen minutes in point of time, Mr. BIS H rose amid loud cries of " hich
ented the commencement of his address from being
tnd thirteen and a half miles in point of distance.rey
heard; we understood him to say that with regard to
Why, the House bad never understood that the ordi-
what had been called an ideal line, a great portion of
nary rate of travelling on these railroads was 52 miles
that line had already been made.
in hour—( Hear, bear)—and the Hon. Gentleman was
Sir EARDLEY WILMOT complained of the
obliged to ccnie down a few minutes afterwards to half .
strong expression made use of by the Honourable
an hour. He did not think the House would be ells-
Member for Manchester; stigmatizing those who
posed to reject it, because Mr. Norbury thought he had
had made objections to this Bill in the name of the
:lot obtained adequate compensation, for he could ap-
The subject
if the Company refused it to h
peal to a Jury, him. landowners on the line as guilty of fraud.
was under investigation of a Committee up stairs, and
he considered it hard to hear a gentleman for whom he.,
What was the Bill they were called upon to reject ?
A Bill to make a railroad between the largest and had a friendship stigmatized as having been guilty of
third largest towns in Europe.—(Hear, hear.) He
fraud, when it was well known that the Standing Orders
`,ad been curious to ascertain the population of the
largest towns, and he had found that the population of allowed any one to make objections in this manner.
Mr. MARK PHILLIPS explained.
Manchester and Sa'ford was 340,000 ; the.population
of the metropolis was 1,700,000 ;of Paris, 1,200,000 ; Lord FRANCIS EGERTON said, that although
of Vienna, 270,000 ; of Constantinople Proper, in accordance with the desire of a ,large portion of his
300,000. The proposal was to make a Rail- constituents, he had moved the second reading of
this Bill, all the arguments in its favour had not
way between London and Manchester, between
the largest and the third largest towns in Eu- been monopolized by himself.—(Hear, hear.) With
rope, and to shorten the distance twenty miles. regard to the he would state that the railroad to Stone,
most material contracts had been completed, and he
The line proposed by the Bill would shorten the dis-
that entleman who had attended to the
tance thirteen miles in length and seven miles in radius, thought every g
and surely the House of Commons would not put an Committee on that Bill could entertain a good reason for
end to a_work of such a nature. Every species of op- supposing that that railroad would speedily be completed.
position had been given to the Bill—even Abingdon His Noble Friend near him had described the feelings of
and Stamford had petitioned against the Bill, because, the people of Manchester, in endeavouring to form the
forsooth, at some future time a railroad might be made present line of Railway, to be those of ostentation. Now,
which might pass through those towns.—(A. laugh.) for his own pert, he thought if there was any town that
The Company were respectable—the money was all was not entitled to such an appellation it was Manehes-
subscribed it would shorten the distance 20 miles. ter. With respect to the details of the measure, there
Th. n 1 ook at the assents upon the line. It was were some disputes, such as to the number of miles that
in length 54 miles, and the proprietors of lands the proposed railroad would seve, but a Committee
;34 miles in length, had assented—the neutrals, was the proper power to decide between the state_
aid those who had not sent in any answer, held 5i ments of parties as to those details. He trusted
miles ; the dissents -amounted to 17 miles, but nege- therefore that the House would permit the Bill to be
i;iations were still going on, and in ten or twelve days he read a second time.
had no doubt they would be reduced to 7or 8 miles. Mr. E. BULLER having presented petitions both
Birmingham objected to the Bill. Now, that be con- for and against the Bill, was anxious to say a few
sidered was the most indecent opposition that had ever words as to the reason that induced him to support the
been offered in that House.—(Cheers.) Birmingham, second reading of the Bill. He firmly believed that if
which by means of its great railroad, had ruined every the Bill for this Extension Line was not passed, the
town on the roadovished still to monopolize the whole line from Stone would be perfectly useless, in .
of the the trade from Scotland, Ireland, Liverpool, and quence of the inconvenience that would take place. from
North Wales. The Birmingham Railway Company the continued necessity ibr changing from one railroad
petitioned against the Bill—a Company whose shares to another. At the present moment the c ange
were that day in the market at 1651. No doubt they at Birmingham occupied nearly an hour, and the
could not be all sold at that price, but supposing result was that the greatest inconvenience took place.
them to be sold they would give the proprietors a If this line should be granted, there wouldd
only be one
clear profit of 3,000,851/.. The House of Commons cliange, and he was convinced there noteonily be
would never refuse their assent to a Bill of that nature, a saving in the distance, butlso an hour in t.i. change
even upon grounds of public policy. Birmingham had fromis one railwa to another•_(Cries of " Divide )
ruined Lichfield, and now it wished to ruin it further, lr. AGLIONBY,Y amidst loud cries of " Divide,"
because it being in the main line from London to Man- said that no blame was attributable to the opponents of
ehester they would refuse it its natural
much privileges.y
the Bill, for
the they were compeerslled
of the to doHas they had
No man would suffer individually so b done under dine Ord ouse.
the railway as himself, but he was certain The gallery was then cleared for a division, when the
that the Bill must pass—then why not pass it numbers were—
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,tow, and allow landlords to make arrange- For the second reading
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ments with their tenants, and not keep them in a con- gainst it 91
Majority in favour of the Bill .....• --48
slant state of suspense.
Mr. EASTHOPE said he did not see why the The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
House might not now do as it had done before—throw be committed.
out the Bill ; and he could give a case in point. The On the motion of Mr. S. LEFEVRE the Bas.i.ng-
railroad from Manchester to Birmingham, if yet stoke Roads Bill was read a third time and
Leedspiassed
even commenced, had progressed very little ; yet On the motion of Mr. LASCELLES tle
the present Bill proposed that the intended rail- and Harewood Road Bill was read a second time
and
road should have its terminus in that line, so ordered to be committed.
that the terminus was proposed to be in a railroad On the motion of Mr. HARLAND the West Dur-
not yet commenced. The London and Southern?. ham Railway Bill was read a third time and pa
ort of
ssed.
ton Railroad had progressed to eery greet degree when On the motion for further considering the rep
they applied to have a branch line to Portsmouth, the Committee on the Birmingham Canal Bill, ,
yet it was held to be a Parliamentary ground Me GODSON presented a petition against a clause
of objection that the line was not fully completed in the Bill, relative to the toll on coke, stating that the
between Winchester and Southampton. He was petitioners had been taken by surprise, by the introduc-
totally unconnected with the line or any connected i tion of several clauses at the time the Committee were
, ----,—.