The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-22 00:00:00

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stated the motion in his able speech, and his
Friend's (Lord Normauby's) speech in reply was,-
thought, most clear, most decisive, and most satisfact y.
—( Hear, hear.) It would not, therefore, be necessct. -7
for him (Lord M.) to trouble their Lordships with more..:
than a few words. It struck him that the speech of di
Noble Duke was a very bold one. He had said that there
was nothing of censure, of inculpation, of condemnation,
in that motion. Why, it was all censure and condemnation,
and nothing else.—(Laughter, and hear.) He was sure
that there was not a Noblc'Lord at the other side of the

House who did not mean that the motion should be so—
they meant, they expected nothing else from it. Good God !
an inquiry into the state of Ireland ! Now inquiry into the
conduct of the Government would be something. But con.
sidering bow much they had already inquired into the state
of Ireland—how many Committees they had heard about the
state of Ireland—how many thousand books, how many
reams of reports and reviews they had had on the state of
that country—was it possible that their Lordships should
still expect anything new from a fresh inquiry into the state
of Ireland ? In 1824 and 1E425 they had Committees of
both Houses sitting for two Sessions on the state of Ireland.

Since then they had had other Committees on every ques-
tion relating to Ireland. They had had a long Com-
mittee on Irish Tithes—a Committee on the state of
Education in Ireland—and lastly, they had had
most minute and complete local information about the state
of Ireland, respecting its agriculture, its population, its
peculiar characteristics and the causes of them, in the Re.
port of the Commissioners under the Poor-law Bill. Now,
after all those elaborate inquiries, must not every one of
their Lordships be aware at least of the crimes and mis-
fortunes of Ireland ? although, perhaps, they could not
propose a remedy, for the cases might in a great
degree be deeply hidden in:, the breasts of the
people. There was evidence to show that crime in Ireland
had arisen chiefly from quarrels about land. It was also
quite true fiat for many years human life had been disre-
garded in that country, and unquestionably there was the
same anxiety to discover murderers and to give them up to
justice as in this country. Still we in this country shoul,i
not plume ourselves too hastily on this superiority. Tee
murders were concealed i 0 Ireland because the people
generally sympathised with the cause—they thought it
was a matter of right. This feeling arose in a great
degree from ancient hereditary feeling respecting the
right of property. It would be difficult to eradicate this
feeling. True, the utmost indignation against a murderer
was generally felt in England ; still, the people of this
country sometimes did sympathise in the case of the
murderer, and then it was as difficult to prosecute the mur-
derer as in England, as for instance, when murder arose out
of the strikes at the manufactories. When Mr. Ashton Has
murdered at Staley Bridge in 1832, the people sy mpa_
thised in the eause,and they showed no anxiety tog ive hmiup.
He (Lord M.) was sure the Noble Duke had mistaken
very much in saying that the general number of homicides
in Ireland was 700. It certainly was not more than from
230 to 260, and God knows that was enough. People
who could philosophise on the matter would see
that there was no more crimp in murderir7 Lord
Norbury than any other person. Out of' doors

he knew that the rank, station, and property, of the de-
ceased would make a great impression on the public mind,
but he believed that was not the feeling of the House.—
Hear.) The motion, if it were carried, would be a vote of
censure upon the Government, with which the Noble Mar.
quis was connected. The Noble Marquis was no more to
blame for not having put down the Precursors than was
another Noble Marquis for not having put don't
the Catholic Association.—( Hear, hear.) As for the
connection of the Government with the Learned Member
for Dublin, he must say that he could not think of giving