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London, England, 1806-06-18 00:00:00

IRISH AFFAIRS

JOHN NRWPORT brought up" the Bill-for regu -
lat ing the Dutiei upon Exports and Imports from
Irelaud ; which was read a first time, and was or-
&red to be read a second time to-morrow.

Sir J. NI; wpti RT brought up 'the Bill for amend-
ing ofhst Ses,i(nis for regal sting the Licences
on the sale of Sp►rituous Liquors.:---React a fitst time,
and ordered to be,read a sec rift tine to-morrow.

"Sir Jolt's. INTEwpowr moved, that the Order of the,
l',2d of May, granting. leave to bring in a 13111 to
:;cable the Militia °fib-eland to volunteer into the
Line, might be r, ad.
• The Order haVingheen read, •
Sir JOll3 AI'"IVPORT moved, that it might 1)e
dischrged he said, his obje& in making this Mo.
tion- was to substitute another Bill in the room of the
one present b4ore thellouse, and which he did
not think wonld be liable to the same obje6tions.
Cololtel ij'AGII7.6LL, said,, that as the Session was
rbvi very fir advanced, and as it WI; not probable
many ..Frisk Members; particularly llilitia Co-
' v.. cud attend during the remainder, of it, he
hoped tha't- thv Hon. Baronet, in frarnit hislpew
Bill; would pay prdpv attetniou to the observations
they had r4-ade upon forcper ticcdiions, and that he
riot: intreduCe 'ilicse regulations which they
had coosidotMasobje(tionable in the new Bill.
•' Sir' tcomy NE:v.I;6:4T begged leave to observe,
that this Was not in point' 'of fad a measure of the
pr:E.,s-eiitrAchilinistrMion; but one which had been pre-
`r ecrhy tho, Ir-Uught in

confOrmatilt to their wish. Whatever flubs, there-
lore, might belong to this measure; the p:-e:ient ;Xli-
uisters ‘vere not responsible for them. In Printing
the now 13111, he shoal undoubt,Mly ply ery-dite
attention to the suggestions which had been throWu
out upon the kibjeat, tliongh there Oeitainlywere
some to which he .could not assent. However, the
Bill would be printed, and cull time given to c'on-
skier it. -

The IriSh Ele6l.lotr Bill, and the Irish Miners Bill,
were read a second thud and comniitted or Thurs.
day ne)ft.
The Report of the Irish Post Road ,A6l was
brought up. .I.fpon the Motic.)n to agree to the
Ainendments,

Mr. GA RR said, he rase for the purpOse of pro-
posing an Amendment which, be had mentioned
when the Bill was ;Oa Committee, and to which he
had since given the utmost consideration in Es'
power. The object •of his Amendment was to re-
meet), what appeared to him a very great inequality
in theAssessnients for making roads in Ireland, by
throwing the expence of making the road upon the
County at large, and not upon the particular Baronies
through which it runs. It often happened a road
ran a long way through one Barony, and A very short
way through others, but ti,ley were all equally be-
nefited by. it, and therefore it was very hard to throw
the expellee. -on a particular Barony or Baronies,
merely because 'the road happened to run a con-
siderable way through thern. HC cOnclvided With
Diming an ArnendmuAt, the 011.4 of which was, tb
throw the expence of , making the '-road upon
.Lhe
County at large, and not upon ;he pA:ticular
Baronies.

Mr. FOSTER said, this qoestion had beep fully
argued when the Bill was in the. Committee, when
there was a number of Irish Members present, who
certainly were better acquainted with the manner of
presenting roads in Ireland by Grand Juries than the
English Members, and they had all expressed their
disapprobation of the Hon. 'Gentleman's proposition.
The Hon. .Gentleruan was prevailed up,on in the
Complittee to withdraw his clause, and he hoped
he would not now persist hi it. The Bill at present
gave the,Grand Jury a discretionary powe7,upon the
subject, either to throW the eqence of the road upon
the County or the Barony, asap,peared to them utast
just ; and it really appeated.to liim better to leave
this discretionary power. with the grand Jury, ac-
cording to the circumstances of each particular case,
and not to make a positive regulat,ittn„ 4s the Hon.
Gentleman proposed.
Mr. STEWART said, there were particular cir-
cumstances that affeded particular Counties ; and,
therefore; lie thought' it would be much better to
leave lhe,Grand Juries a discretionary power, than
to make one .general law for every case.
Mr. MtNAt GliiON expressed a similar opinion.
Mr. CARR• said, that ,as the Gentlemen present;
who represented Ireland; tid nat approve of liis
Amendment, he would withdraw

The Repoit was then agreed to, and the Bill or-
dered to be read a 1.114 tune to-luurrnw if then in-
grossed. •

INDIA

Mr. WALLACE, with' a view, as be stated, to
show that no blame was imputable to the late Bard
of Coutroul for resisting the prodnetion of certain
Papers on the subject of India, On - the ground that
their production would be injurious to the public
intere,t, moved that these Papers, comprehending
the Correspondence between Lord Wellesley and
Colonel Scott, in the , years 1.199, 1800-.1, respea-
ing the eonclud of .the Nabob of Plicte, and which
was not already on the Table', should be laid la:•fore
the house.

Lord MORPETLI objeCted to the Motion upOn
the-same grounds which induced, as the Right Hon.
Moyer stated,. the late Board of Coutroul to meet
the saine motion before.—The part of the corre-
spondence which \vas withheld contained particu-
lars relative to the- private,conduCt of the Nabob of
()tide which it-would be. highly improper,. in his
opinion; to lay before the public; especially as they
related to a Prince at present in amity with this
'Country. The Noble Lord had no objeCtiop to af-
ford any private information desired. upon this Sob-
jeet, but he would resist the idea of giving publicity
to the:'case to which the motion referred.

111 i.. PAULL animadverted upon the sing ilar
ground laid by the Mover of this Propositio: hat
although he bad resisted, when in office, tile pro,
duaio&of certain Documents, as injurious to; the
public interests, yet still he would press his successors
to grant precisely Cie S;Dilf:!. documents. He' was,
however, ready to support this-Motion, as he wished
the House to have the fullest information relatiVe to
the afthirs of India. As to the objections which
were. expressed against these' Papers, because they
contained some •statements upon the miscondua of
the Nabob of Oude, he was prepared to say, 'that
he could prove sack miicondriet was the result of
oppression, injustice, and tyranny, prafaised towards
that Prince. Ilswas idle, therefore, to say, that the
real moti;I: fOr refusing these Papers was a
.desire to
avoid injuring the charaoer or feeling& of that Prince.
There were, however, as he. wished the House, to be
sensible; several extra&s in the Papers moved for,
which had no reference whatever'toth-coadviitt-tif
the Nabob of Oude, but which were material to elu-
cidate some part of the con6ua of Lord Wellesley. ,
' WELLESLEY, on the part of his .Noble
Relation, desired that nbthing might be brought for,
ward which could have' a tendency to injure the
Nabob ofOude, even though the produaion of such
documents might be somewhat advantageousio his
own case. After ,some limiter remarks f)-oin Mr.
Calvert, Mr. Halford, and My.' Alexander, Mr. Paull,
Sir A. Wellesley, and Mr. Rose, the Motion was
withdraw D .

,The SECRETARY at WAR presented certain Ac-
counts relative to Chelsea Hospital; which were or-
cleredlo lie on the 'fable.

-II~r.PAULL ask,ed the Noble Lord (Temple) whe-
ther it was his objeEt to, presS "coming to a final vote
upon the Charge agaip,st Lord Wellesley to-rnor-
row ? Ile Was induced to apply tor information
upon this point; as there were several Gentlemen as
well as hithself who did not clearly understand the
Noble Lord's objeo. It certainly would be rather
singular if the NobleLoxd should press for a .final
decision. upon, the Charge the very saute day on
which evidence respeEtitt'it was to be examined.
Lord TEwLe..zeplied 1,14 his object was to pre-
vent delay in the knvestiptiOp of this business ; .and
his Notice simply"vYas, that, if no Motion upon the
inbjeet should be tnado tb,-Imorioiv, by any other
pAafs'on.,, ht would del it his apty briug it Ibrward.

_ •
7.1161-lon. G...n6man, tlitrefore, having given notice
,of a Minion for to-morrow, hisipurpOse was 'answer-
ed, and he ineant‘to. "give Way to the Hon, qentle-

man. , - •
Mr. PNutif. called lo the recolleCtion of the House,
that his notice on this subje6l was given 'the day:be-
-fere the debate took place upon the_ Noble Lord's
Motion; and he appealed to the judgment of the
House,'Whethen- anydelay in the prosecution of this
business was attributable to 'him.
Lord TEVTLE presented Petitions from the Mer-
chants, Planters and Agents of the Island of Jamaica,
against the SlaYe Trade 'Abolition, and praying to be
heard by Counsel upon the. second reading of the said
•
Mr. Fox observed, that belneant immediately to
move the second reading of ibis Bill ; but, that Abe
Petitioners' Counsel might as well be, heard upon the
Report. : .
The Petitions were ordered' to lie on the Table, as
was a Petition to the same effect, presented by Mr.
ROSE, from several Ship-owners.
The Bill was read aesecond time and committed
for Thursday, Mr. Fox stating, that if business
pressed on, Thursday, he would move to postpone
the, committal of this Bill, till Friday.. -
On the motion of Lord TEMPLE, the Thread Lace
Bill was ordered to be re-committed to-morrow.
'II.'THORN brought up, the Report of the
Committee of SUpply relative to. the grant of . corn-.
pensation to MeSSIS, Chalmers, and Cowie; .101 th.
wa4 :,IgTM.I to. . .
The West, India Auditors" gild was read a third
time and passed..'
Lord li,Exto.• PETTY save notice of his intentiou
to move on Monday for leave to bring it) a Bill for
more etfeattally auditing the Public., Accounts of this
-Country.
,
AMERICAN INTIF.RcotiesE BILL.
Larci-Ttoll'i.tc mover the order ft-Ar the secoud
reading of the American 'lntercourse Bill ; and; upon
I the .motion that cennsel should be called ,in on the
part of the Petitioners against the said
;I:Tr. /10,$E sorted; that the Petitieners'had thought
it better to wave their intention, 'of behig: heard by
Counsel at the liar, in the hope that this Bill would
be .referred to 'the investigation 'of a Committee
above stairs, where their case mint be fully stated
and gone into. Without tre'spassing upon the time -of
the House. The Right Hon, Gentleman expressed
a strong wish that ;Mittisters consent to reAlize
the hope of theTetitioners in this respe&i, 'and that, ,
where so respenable a b6dy of Merchants; Ship-
(,),woersand Buil l is fipprolchecl the House optin.
such an important question, the case they -had to
state should at least be heard. After repeating the.
staternents which the'Right'Honourabl2 Gentleman
had laid before the- Hoese on former stages of this
measnre, lie recommended 'that; "if the• Bill-should
be persisted in,' the. Americahs should at least be sub-
' je6teti to the same duty which Jiritish. shipping in the
,same trade were obliged to pay ; and also that the
.exclusive advantages nosegranted•to American ship-
, ping shotild he removed. This advantage consisted in
the Prollibitienrof any of the articles specified in the
Ad by any ether than the Ships of the Country in.
which such articles grew, which. of course was au.
exclusion of ail other than American Shipping. • .In.
cipcn(Witiy of the liner)* to our CornMerce. and
Marine, whichmust, result from throwing this trade
into the heeds eftheAineriteans; the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman begged the' Rouse to •retiea upon t4c state of.
our Shipping. Jo consequence of recent eventm, of
, which ad men ritteft be aware, we bad at present vast
quantities Or our Shipfiing totally unemployed, lying
idle i;i the "l'ilarnoS, and elsewhere. How then could
Oentict-ticti reconcile it to their minds, to transfer
'td others a branch of trade in which we employed no
-less than 037 Sad in 1-3.92, and in which we-should
emplVtnany more at present;if the trade were con-
: tined to our own shipping; the Merchants It'ad plenty
of vessels teelnd out to engage in this concern, and
NV3I) ted only.convoys, with the assurance of a prefe-
j rence ; that no competition would be allayed unless in
cases of emergency. of which the Governors of the
several Islands would always
,betite best. judges. If
Ministers would agree to -refer the; Bill to a Cren-
,niittee above stairs,. lie Wa,4 confident that the whole
of the necessary examinations Might be gone thro'
.in four days ; 4tel .when the result of that exaMina-
.tion should be. laid before the House, all parties-
-1 woeld be notch better' epahled to form a just opi-
man upon the subject than any,coeldbe'at present.
Earl TEMPLE maintained that the Bill so tar2from
being disadvantageous to the mercantile and shipping
interest of this Conntry, Must, to every person
concerned in the West Indies, and in the trade
carried on to that quarter, be produaive of the
most essential benefits. , The Bill Went to -en-,
arts that the
.Ports ;should be -open,- not generally,
but from time to time, according to the necessity
of the.case, as should appear ',.proper to his 'Majesty
with the advice of his Privy Council. What. pos-.
•sible security, he w 041.1 ask,'could ship-owners here.
haCe When thebuSiness 'was, as formerly, at the "dis-'
eretion of the 'Governors cif tltc Islands ? 'they could
'be no:jeagea of the ;state of :our markets, nor of
the time' of the sailing of 'oar convoys ; neither
could they judge if the relief to he eetibrded from
couiriy --could -be sufficient to meet the wants
experienced, there. What security, however, had
. they not by the present Bill 1 lied they not the
pledge of that duty, which his Majesty's- Mini-
sters owed to the Country, that while they endea-
voured to fereseetbe wants of the Colonies, and de-
vised the best means of supplying what might be ne-
ce4sary, they would do so with every regard te the
interest of the Ship-Owners of this Country ? Would
not they themselves have an opportunity of going to
Ministers, and sheaving them that from the quantity
-of tonnage cleared out to the plantations there was
- 'no necessity, or that they ought not to open the
Ports ? The Bill, therefore, gave a security to the
Ship-Owners,, which it was utterly impossible they
could have in any other way. •
Sir C. PRICE declared, that after the most anxi-
ous inquiry as to the effeCts to be produced by the
Bill, it was the opinion of that respeelable body of
the shipping interest for whom he appeared, that
the Bill would be produdive of the most mischievous
effeds. • It would have 'the necessary consequence,.
too, of throwing many of our seameia into the scr-
Jvice of America, where they would easily procure
themselves to be screened wider certificates of their
'being American Cititens. All he wished was, that
the Bill shOuld-'go to a Committee up stairs., ,He
was about to'coitt ludo with' a Motion -to- this effect,
when
Air. Rost explained, that lie had already, web

the same obje&, tuned- that the. Bill Ce'rgael a se-
cond time this day se'unight.
Sie Wm. YOUNG SUppOrtCd, the Bah Ho strongly
inculcated the urgency
,of attending to; the necessi-
ties of the West India Islands, and .shewed that they .
could not trust to supplies which might be afforded
them 'probably twice a year.
Sir W. CURTIS opposed the Bill, and maintain-
ed that the West-India Islands peere. reghlaiis;.and.
sufficiently supplied from this Country. He dis-
liked the Bill because it declared that we could not,
in time of War, supply our own West-India Colo-
nieS. He, on the part of the -shipping interest of
London, pledged himself that, if this 8711 were de-
parted froM, they would employ their capital,.. and
the shipping they possessed, which were at present
rotting, in carrying on this trade.
Sir FRANCIS IMRING denied that British Met'
chants could be found ready to supply the Colonies
in
_the way the Hon. Bart. who.sPoke last-bad stated-
'They could not do so on account of the very great'
expence. They must have three voyages—one from _
this Country to America, in ballast ; the second,
from America to the West Indies, with a cargo corn-
paratively,nothing, and whiCh the freight would ex-
ceed in value by five or six times the amount ' and
from this second voyage he believed- there walhard-'
ly ever an instance of a vessel returning to this
Country,
Mr. 4ldermaif PRINSEP had no ObjeClion to
leaving the exercise of -a discretion with Ministers, .
convinced that they would-not abtese it. There were; •
however, clauses in the Bill which alarmed him.
One in particular; where the importation into the
West India Islands was extended to all goods what-
ever, and to ma ?raja ures a word which he thought
ought to be oniitted,' as alt the-Islands could require
under the-Bill was lumber. By another Clause, a -
liberty of exportation w 4 given, extending to sugars,
which he thought ought 'to be omitted. if
these alterations were underatoOd to be agreed to,he
should pot object to the Bill, otherwise he muss
oppose its further progress.
Lord TEmto,n said, that generally. speaking, he
saw no objeCtion to,. the. alteration proposed by the
Hon. Member,- --
Mr. PERCIF:IL agreed that these alterations
;would render the Bill less- •ohjeEtionable, but still
such objeCtions did remain as rendered. it impossible • :
for-liimetOrtgretetoit.. He should be sorry to set op-
, -'his own authority against that of ,the Han. Baronet
opposite (Sir F. Barieg), whose opinions on every
question of the kindhekneW: to, heeirtitled to such";
respeti: But all that was meant by the- Motion of
his'llight Hon, Friend (Mr. Apse) vas,` to asVertain
'in a Committee thevery -fad which the Honourable,
Baronet Ii i 4 alledired, 'The Noble Lord opposite had
I
read 4 clause in the Bill, purporting that the. inter-',
course should only :be &maimed in case of pece.l-•
and that from time to time. He held in his' .
I
hand;however, an Order by the Secretary of State
(Mr. Windham) which seemed not altogether to
san6tion this statement; authorizing the suspension;
during the'WhOle of the War. So that ,it was it
.vain for the House to expea that any inquiry would'
be made by Ministers as to the necessity cf the melt.,
sure, or to place any reliance on the exercise. of their
discretiOn. He Considered. the measure to beunne-
cessary, in as far: as it had, for the last :thirteen
-years;--been-sufficiently-provided for by the Omer-
! tiers of the Islands being invested with a species of
discretionary power, -which, being on the spot, they
:must be Opposed best qualified to exercise, Btit
moreover, heconsidered 'it as highly impolitic.---e
What'was the -plain language of the Billy but that
ourselves could not supply our Colonies in t;tue
t ,of war ?—And was not this telling Atherica she
might do with •us what she pleased ?—Was, this. •
too the best possible time for us to take such 'a step,
when we knew that there was a spirit in Ame-
rica not over' favourable to our interest
`,them so at such a period would, in his opinion, be
extremely unwise. after the. A& giving power
to the President to act as occasion might require, we
were to yield Any thing which we had'- formerly
stood up for,
,it might be attributed. to.,a rnotiee ot,,
..fear, or conscious dependence on their assistauue,
On the grounds therefore that the Bill was neifter
'necessary nor politic, he felt that it Could -not conk„;
out of a Committee in such a shape as to be palatable
to him. .
, The ATTORNEY-GI:2I'ERN, argued, that the:e
were no manuia6tures carried from America to tht,
colonies,,. Clot only, --food for the Slaves, and a, few
other articles which could not be supplied by Great
Britain. The law had been viblated during a, period
of thirteen.years, and 'at the discretion of the
Go-
*veruors of the Colonies. It was said;, that, lately.
Government had 'recovered from --its trance, and
.that some alteration was to have been. proposed.— •
lint Ad go on in this course of violating the law was
admitted to be, getierally. speaking, a metestrous.
proceeding. It was even contrary to the oath of the
Governors, who, in exercising this discretion, were
committing something like perjury, and he was sur-
prised to hearhis Learned Friend contend, that this.
was a better.system
.than the one now oroposed,,7-1,
They wanted to postpone the further proceeding 9rl
this Bill fat- seven days, and why ?--For the sake of
Inquiry. Au- Inquiry into what F—Nci. Incet,i,ry
had -been thought of for thirteen years, when 811.
was at the discretion of the Governors, who might
open the Ports a mouth before our Shipa had. •
rived at the Colonies, and by that means render the
out-fits-almost useless. And yet .the Honourable
Baronet under the Gallery (Price), the Repxsenta-
tive of the Shipping Interest, preferred that to th'--
systenr-=which did what ?-,-;;Permit ihe American
Trade ?—No ; but merely enable the Privy Council'
~cd prevent it when it was pecessary. The neces-
sity 'had been shewn by the practice of thirteen
years, and, the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Rose), with his great experience,, his great knoW-
ledge, and his great attachment to. public principles,
had permitted it to go on for thirteen years. But now
he, began to find out that all this was very dangerous.
But' where had the danger been fur thirteen years ?.
As to the Ship-owners, they. • might have been,
heard- by their' Counsel—and if they 'could, as,
they said, supply the Colonies, why did they not do
it ?—There was nothing in this Bill to prevent their'.
If there was, it was certainly 'rpore then he knew,,
for he had read .the and saw no such' thing.
Great Britain could not, in faetesupplylhe Colonies.'
He then went on to state, that the Nevigation Laws
had been partially, and flu-a time, suspended in se-
.
veral instances—such, as the trade. with the Cape.
of Good Hope. He also contended, that there were

. .
many'things relative to the state cf Europe,-and to
the situation of this Country,..which would bear on
this question, and Which could he lcrlown much
better by the Government here. than by the
vernors of the West India Islands. As to the ad,.
vice which his Learned Friend bad given to 'D
-li=
nisters, who knew so well what they were to do, ,he
left them to take the benefit of it : he left them also
to profit by the instru&ions of Right Hon.
Gentleman of great experience (Mr. Rose), who al-
. *ay's gave most salutary.advice upon 'the purest
public principles, without any
.personal considera-
tions; and withontany wish to oppose Ministers far-
ther than his notions of duty- compelled him. It
was certainly very good and condescending, in him
to give Ministers the benefit of his great experience,
Ind to desire to relieve them from the cares of Go-
vernment; for Certainly, after having been in, office.
twenty-two ,years, he had in some measure ac
quired a sort of right to retain it for ten or twelve
years more at least ; and, to be sure, it was very
great presumption in inexperienced people, who had
been only four months in office, to take matters out
of his. bands. Under these circumstances, his ad-
vice ought, no doubt, to be listened to with all the
attention which it deserved.
Mr. CAANING observed, that the' Learned Gen-
tleman who had just sat down had hinted, that the
'advice given by his Right. Hon. Friend had pro-
ceeded from no good-will to His Majesty's Mi-
nisters. Forhis , part he thought it suffiCient, in
giving such advice, he had. the good Of his Country,
and not the good
.of Ministers, at heart. •As :to ,
the measure now bethre the House, he 'thought it
one of the most important that had ever been agi—
tated ; not only with regard to the praelice which
would be founded upon it, but also with regard to
.the political principles which it involved. He had
heard' of measures where, perhaps, the necessity
might be-overbalanced by the mischiefs which they
Might occasion ; but he had never till now heard Of
a measure where the mischiefs were great, and
where there existed no necessity- at all. If the ob-
ject of the Bill had been to prevent the supply from
America, he could have understood it,
.and, then,
perhaps/he should not have been inclined to oppose
it. But the interests of the West. Indies he Nvould
here put entirely out of the question, as these had
been sufficiently taken care of before, and this cir-
cumstance proved' that there was no necessity for
this:BilL • But, if you changed the, system, and
sanEtiened by a previous Law what had been before
only'sanationed by a subsequent At of Indemnity;
then the onus. of proving the necessity for the change
lay with you. His Learned Friend had -admitted,
the general truth—that it was improper to have
Laws whiCh must be. violated ; and the Learned.
Gentleman opposite. had triumphed in this admis-
sion ; and said that„he, by this, had given his
opi-
nion' in favour of the principle of the present Bill.
'Quite-the contrary ; for 'the concjusion to be drawn
from this admission was, that there-ought to be an
• inquiry, and that some permanent measure ought'
to be adopted.. The Ship-owners might be ex-
- omitted,. ;and they. might have-an opportunity thus
• of shewing whether they could regularly supply the
Colonies ; and some permanent system ought to be
formed upon - the 'foundation. of this examination►
.
-BO then it was said that.GOvernoient would alwayS
be enabled to attend to the interests of the Ship-
oWners ; and that they could do so much more ef-
feaually than could be done while things remained
on 7 their present footing... Fine words—by which,
however, nobody could be deluded. They refused
to hear them now when they had sufficient leisure
fr;r it, and would only hear thern ata moment when
the-Colonies might be in danger, and when there
could: be no time to make the; necessary inyestiga-
tion.. Even Ministers themselVes could not believe
that this could be done, and it was only started in
order to get rid of the present pressure. They said
that they removed the Tribunal, because• at present it
cOuld only judge from local circumstances: This was,
in fact, the only proper mode ofiudging ; and, there-
' fore, the argument Of MiniSters was absurd oil the
face of it ; and he was, therefore; surprised that the,
Hon. Alderman (Prinsep), over the way/could be
brought. to any compromise on : this subject. So
much for the shipping interest ; 'but then he was.
not there to argue the ease of any body of men ;
and therefOre he Must say, that'the Ship-owners
.would by this Bill be examined only- where they
would be very incompetent witnesses. If they were
to be examined at present; and 'Saw the necessities
•
the Colonies, then they could find means to meet
these necessities ; but all their enterprize,, and. their
hopes and.. exertions wpld be weakened' and para-
lized hy.this Bill, Government would hear of a
scarcity in the West Indies, and then. they would,
.send for the. Ship•7oWners. • The Ship-owners could
know nothing about the matter, and they must come
there with a natural bias to their own interests, which
. must iender their evidence exceedingly
w4s. this a way in Which- the House of Commons
was to intiirm itself upon 4 great measure or this
sort,,and to forth its opinion, if it could forth any‘
opinion different froth that of the great and wise men
on the other' side ? But it was said, that the -great
. objea of a I.ogislative -Body ought to be, to prevent
• there' being any law which must be violated, and
at preSent Great Britain, as had been observed by
the Learned Gentleman who spoke last; could not

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now' supply her Colonies; and he seetned 'to
triumph in this. - Helhought-it had been agreed on
all hands, that it was exiretriely desirable that Britain'
should supply her- -Colonies. But no, said the
LeatnedGentlemani you cannot supply your Colo
nies;7-hear, Britons- (cried, he), rejoice, huzza,- you
can nd longer 'supply your Colonies ! Jo hear an
Atforney-eeneral. of Great Britain, who had him-
self been for some. time in the West Indies, triumph
in thii manner, was a most. extraordinary thing.
Then he employed a great deal of ineffeaual sarcasm
- against his Right Ron.. Friend near. He (Mr.
Canning) contended that hiS Right Hon. Friend.
had done something. while :he was in that Office
(Prelident of the Board -'of Trade), that 'naturally
called his attention. to thiS.subjea. hfid made
Some preparations for changing the system, and had
been supported by the Hon-, Magistrate behind him,
(Mr. Price) who had also come
-in for a share of the
sarcasm. The Learned '.Gentleman, therefore, had-
certainly shewn -a- considerable pcopensity to mis-
take. He might perhaps: spew very good reasons
for this Bill, to the great and comprehensive minds
of the Ministers,
.who were above attending-to the
little. details of- business, and the little interests of
their Country !--But he forgot that he was now

endeavouring,..tio .tiersnade tarliatent. Vie (Mr. •
Cariniug) did not Mean to say, however, that there
ought 'to be no revision of the Navigation Laws.--
But this was n t :what the .Ministers_wanted. The
Learned Gentleman' told us that the. object was to
take, the discretion out 'of the * hands of the low
and id:significant Governors(" .21,0, No, NO !"),--he
thought he had said so—and to place it in these
great and wise. Ministers., Now. as the- case stood
At- present, the discretion was lodged in the Gover-
nors, and the manner of. their exercising it•was re-
viewed annually by Parliament asp matter of Course ;
tint miw it was proposed to take it from those who,
from their lodal knowledge, must be. the fittest to
exercise it, and to place it'-where there would be a
great responsibility. But really; if any one could be'
deluded by all this, the paper on the table (Mr.
Windhath's Instrntion) must be sufficient to shew,
even to him, how this discretion would be exer-
cised. These instrualions had been sent to the
Governors of the West- India Islands, upon the faith
that this Bill would pass, with a sweeping suSpen-
Sion of the Navigation Laws during the War, and
with a promise that Ministers would:take care that
they should have the. usual indemnity.7-This was .
a most unjustifiable exerciseof authority, and an oat-
' rage on Parliament, whose judgment was here pre-
viously- presumed.- But, after all, he contended
that the discretion must-remain with the Governors;
for suppose that a prohibit ion should come out while
a Governor saw that the inhabitants must starve un-"
less the ports were opened, he must, at all hazards,
open them in such a case,—but then he would do it.
under a tremendous and unfair responsibility. But'
the truth was, that Ministers were for abrOgating,
all the discretion of Governors by opening the ports
&ring the whole War. - How differently did they
reason here frOm what they did with regard to
limited service :,%i/hen it was said that it ought to
continue., at least in the Colonies, during the War—
Government, they said, would provide for all these
casu4ties ; but here' there was a suspension at .once
during the war, on the grounds that the necessities
of the Cblonies_aist be supplied.
.But the great
consideration Was 'that which had been started by
his-Learned Friend (Mr. Percival), and to which •no.
answer had been given. While there was such a
ferment in America against this Country, you gave
them to understand that you could not do without
them. The Americans, he said, carried to the Co-
lonies a variety of-rnanufaaured articles besides pro-
visions, stich as hats; &hulks,: leather, &c. and as
they did it before without law, it maybe easily con-
ceived that they would do it much mare readily •
when they had the ,sanction
.of law. Now, he asked
the Right Hon. Secrelary of ..State (Mr. Fox), whe-
ther. he was so tired of the tone which hactgained
him so much deserved popularity, that'he was .now
disposed to abandon, it ? For in the event of a Treaty.
he might be certain that this would be considered as
a concession, whateVer might be' said to the con-
trary.. If.a concession was intended to be made to..
America, a worse moment than the present could
not be chosen for it, and you..were; in fact, laying
the grounds, of future quarrels with that Country to
which the concession was made. A 'disposition bn
the part of France to meddle with our internal re-
gulations had excited the greatest indignation in this
Country,, and yet France had never presumed tO
say' any thing about the repeal Of our Navigation
Laws.. We ought not now to du any thing that
had the appearance of concession. He would have
Oppoed this measure even on that grotind,if it had
beenin -other,respe6ts harmleSs: But the fact was
that in every point of view it was not only useless,,
but in the highest -degree impolitic 2nd mischievous.
Dr. LAIVRENCE observed, that the Gentle-
men who said any. thing against this Bill; seemed to
found their opinions entirely on a 'fallacy ; they
spoke as if they considered that a System; which, in
fad,' was nothing more than a provisional regula-
tion for the ben* of out shipping., and for' the
occasional supply of our colbnies. These' Gentle-
men, however," who were SO extremely tender about-
Abe Navigation La ws;,* and Who Were'sO consiiintly
in the. habit of extolling the great Virtties of that
Right. Hon. , Ge,ntletrran (Mr. who is now no
,more, did not seem recolle& any thing about- the
Dutch Properly At that was passed during the Ad-
'ministration of that Gentleman.. When it was appre,
hended that Holland WaSaboUtto be an nexed toFrance,
at first an Order. in CoUncil was passed, permitting
thelanding of,Dutch Property in this Country from,
neutral Wessels. This praaice was afterwards, by
a.positive law, extended, and was in that extended
state, continued for, Upwalds
.of four years, to 'the
total ruin of. our N#igation' Laws.' Let . those
Gentlemen, then triumph 'in their long • experitmce
in that: Administration ; but let them not at the
same time iitTe-a a tenderness about our Navigation
La ws.

Sir JOHN NEtPPQRT adverted to what passed
'relative. to- the Provision Trade of Ireland a flaw years
back. Upon some remonstrance being made as to
some .cireurntanees tespeting that Trade, with:the
West Indiehi- the. Irish, Traders) were allowed to
continue their traffic, .proVided they would under-
take the entire supply of our Colonies in the West
Indies: They. kti,ew,very well that they had enough
of provisions. in Ireland t 9 support the West Indies,
but they found that by a sudden supply pouring
in from Ante:lea hut a few days before the arrival
of their Fleet; perhaps-, some very deserving indivi-
duals were ruined. lithe order forgranting the inter-
course With America had 'originated here that would
-not have been the, case, as either GoVernment would
have knOviti':' that' a Fleet was: thrown in its way
for the supply of
.those islands, or else the Ttade
might haste been apprized 'of the fad, that some of
out Colonies Were.in watt of a speedy supply, and
the fleet would have been dispatched with the pro-..
visions a few-days sooner than it otherwise had been
sent out. ,--ror The' same reasons the Ship-owners
of England 7ouglii'to have been the warmest advo-
cates of this Bill, as by it the trade would be regu-
lated by the Guverninent at home; and Would nor be
subjeet to the,capriee of any single Governor of the
IslandS,. who was in 'general influenced in a, great,
degree by the -Planters.

The House divided, and the numbers were—
For the :Motion - 112
Against it. - - 54
Majority - . - -58

. After which tie fill was read a .second time, and
ordered to committed on Friday next..
The other Orders of the Day were postponed, and
the Houie „adjourned'at /tad-past Eleven o'clock.

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SOLEM QUI DlCtfit FAISUM ACIDEAT

LONDON,

WEDNESDAY, JVNE- -18, 'lBO6.

TIM 'report of a Negotiation tier Peace was yes-
terday, circulated with great. confidence; and. the
tocks remained very nearly as high as the,y were
On Monday. The,retura of Lord YARMOUTH to
Paris is relied upon by those who contend that a
Negotiation has actually commenced, as a 'decisive
proof of that fael. It is, we believe, true, that Lord
YARMOUTH was the bearer of some prOpositions from
the French G6Vernment, but it is probable that it re-
lated merely to the ExchangeofPrisoners,a snhje6t'
which it is well known has been for some time
past in discussion between the two Countries.— ,
But we do not see, why the return of 'Lo'rd YAR-.
MOUTH to France is •to be considered :as con
elusive , evidence that a Negotiation for the re-
storation of Peace has commenced. If the answer
transmitted by the British 'Goveiiiment was in writ-
ing, it certainly could not be necessary to send .a
person . of Lord YARMOUTH'S rank merely as the
bearer of • dispatch: on the other 'hand, from his
Lordship's, want of experience in Diplomatic affairs,
it is not prObable that.he would be sele6ted for the
purpose of negotiating with the Frenth Government
npona subjeaOf such importance as the restoration of;
Peace. We beg, however, not to be understood as
.giVing any positive.opinion upon-the subje&, nor as
asserting that a Negotiation may not take place. The
mission of M. D'Otlßßir; to Paris may to some
propositions of a pacific tendency
,between Russia
and France, in which, of course, Great Britain',
would be included; and if it be true, as 'stated in
the Dutch' Papers, that COUni HARDRIsthERG is
about to come to this'Country upon a special_ mission
frOm the PrnSsian Government, that circurnstance
would tend,, in a certain degree, to' confirm the opi-
nion of those who look for the speedy restoration
of Peace. It cannot, however, be. necessary to
observe, that a Negotiation for Peace by no
means implieS that a Peace must in 'consequence
be concluded; and ibough the French Government
may be willing ,to negotiate, we have seen nothing •
'in their conduel or language of :late which shews.
that they really entertain pacific sentiments towards
•
this Country.
..

.Monday evening His IVlAJgs.TY..an&the P.RINT-
CESSES, accompanied by the Earl of.UxBRIDGE and
others, walked.on Windsor Terrace.
Yesterday. morning Hts .MAJEsTy.,..atid the no N 7.
CESSES AUGUSTA, SOPHIA, and 'AtaELtA, rode on.
horsebrck. HER M,Astsyy;ancl the other Pa INCESSES
took an-aiting to Frogunore.
Viscount Hoi,vrcic is about to augment the out-
pension list of Greetrwich Hospital' from 2h• to 41. a
year to every common seaman ; and; at the same
time, •to admit co. superannuated Captains; and
'Lieutenants on an out-pension list of the said Hos-
pital--the whole to be prided for out of a certain
portion of all-prize-money made by hayal captures.
.On Friday a Council Was held at gr.. Secretary
Fox's Office, at which nearly the whole of the Ca-
binet Ministers were preent ; and, On. Saturday, an-
other Council was held at the same:place, -which sat
upwards of two hours. • '1 here were,present, the
LORD CHANCELL-OR, Lord GRENVILLE, .arls SPEN-
CER and MOIRA, ViCOI.IIItSSIDMOUTH. and. HOWICK,
Mr. Fox, Mr. WINPHA M., and ,Lord H. PETTY.
At-the rising of the Council, Mr. COUR VOISIER left
town with Dispatches' fdr Mr..ADAIE.
Accounts have been received at St. Helena, by an
American Vessel which, touched there prior 'to the
sailing of the last Fleet from that. island, that two
French Ships of. the LIIIQ and a Frigate • had sailed
from the Phillippines, with a view, it was supposed,
of joining Admiral fLutTsirtc',E in the Straits of
Sunda.

By the Dipatches just forwarded to India, orders
are given for every possible reduaion of expences in
the various departments of that Government.

•., ,Sir ARTHUR, -WELLESLEY has got
the command of the Troops at liastingS.!
At the Dinner given on Monday after the ReVieW
of the Royal Corps of Artillery at Woolwich, Earl
MOIRA gave the following Toasf, whiCh was re-
ceived with the warmest applause i.)y all the Com-
pany : • , . ,
Lieut _General the Earl ut.o H -r ‘44m, the late Master-
" General 'of the Ordnance, to whoseJalents the Military
" World were indebted fur the gratifying exhibition of that
" day.".•

•
• The g* India Docks, long fitting at Blackwall,
Will be opened with a grand Entertainment on the
2d of Ally. The Members of Adminioration, the
Foreign Minister'sl- 'and a large party of-Nobility and
Gentry, with the- Members the Corporation of
London, are invited tt.)• partake of the Entertain-
Ment at the Docks, and a SiiiSsequ'ent one in the
afternopn at the Londpn Tavern.
DAv in PIKE WATTS, Esq. Citizen ana Vintner,
'`)TM. CC/LES, Es 9. ¶Citizen 'and Wheelwright, and
JOHN APTAG9•ART,.Esq: Citizen arid Draper, thl.ee
of the persons nominated at the lastOurt'of
men for the office of Sheriffs•of LondOn and Middle-
sex, have eaitliof them paid-Into the Chamber the
title of 4001. and_ 120 marks_ to be excused -and dis-
charged troni the said norninatiOn..Tho.ElMion for
Sheriffs, 3t..u.ikes....platO at the COmmoit on
Tat.'sday Midsurniner-Riy: •
HO NITQ.N ELECTION.—At- the clOse of the poll on
Saturday evening, 'the majority in' favour of Mr.