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wardens were to prepare all things in the Church, and
by the 25th Canon he was at the charge of the parish
and under the dire,:tion of the Minister, to find bread
and wine for communicants. He might be told that
those Canons were not part of the statutes. In an-
swer to that he begged to state that by the statute of
Elizabeth that what was contained in the Rubric was
made part and parcel of the law of the land. There
were plenty of arrears in the hands of the parishiOners
which they were ready to pay, so that there was no ex-
cuse for his not providing the bread and wine. Mr.
Morris finding that he was likely to be interrupted in
the service, provided the bread and wine himself. The
following month he sent him a written notice, but in-
stead of paying any attention to it, Mr. David Jones
went to an alehouse near the Church, and used the
most blasphemous and disgusting language with respect to
the element used in the Communion service. Finding that
no attention was paid to the notice, Mr. Morris, he ad-
mitted, certainly did cite him to the Ecclesiastical
Court, but with an intimation that if he appeared and
promised to conduct himself better in iutu-e, no costs
would be required from him. Instead of that he fought
the battle in the Court in every way he could, and he
now stated that he was imprisoned for 801. costs. But
the fact was the costs were not quite 301., and when
the Hon. Member for Lambeth found his protege
wrong in one instance, he might find him equally wrong
in other cases. Now it had been also stated that the
Judge who presided was a Clergyman, and the Editor

of a Carmarthen Tory Journal. Whoever gave the
Hon. Member that information, he would tell him to his
face it was false, and the party giving it probably knew
at the time it was false. He thought he had now
sufficiently vindicated the course pursued by Mr.
Morris, and that the House would pardon him for having
trespassed so long upon its time, but he would repeat
that a better or more upright man than the gentleman
assailed, he never knew, and he was satisfied the House
would not find fault with hinti for the course he had
taken.—(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. 0. STANLEY in ex-
planation,
Mr. W. ELLIS begged to say one word, as his con-
stituents were deeply interested in the question before
the House. He believed they would best consult the
interests of the Church and the feelings of the commu-
nity at large, by abolishing the obnoxious impost of
Church-rates.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord DUNGANNON thought there never was a
more convincing proof of the truth of the old adage
aurli ulleram parlem, than the case brought forward by
the Hon. Member for Lambeth. It had filled him
with indignation and disgust to hear these unfounded
and unjustifiable charges brought against a clergyman
who had endured much before he had proceeded
to extremities. It appeared, according to the statement
of his Hon. Friend, that David Jones was a willing
martyr in the cause, and therefore he had no right now
to complain of the consequences. He had deliberately,
taken an oath with the premeditated intention of vio-
lating it. The charge brought against Mr. Morris was
a very serious one, and should not have been made upon
light grounds. The clergy were certainly not generally
the political friends of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, still he
did not think they treated them fairly, for if they pos-
snsed any politica ence, it arose from the respect
their flocks bore the He had the influence of every
dignitary and clergyman of the city he had the honour
to represent, still he would defy any one of his consti-
tuents to say that one of them had used any undue in-
fluence. If there was an indecency it was on the part
of that man who took an oath to perform duties of which
he was perfectly aware, and with the full determination
of not performing them, but ridiculing them obscenely
in the tap-room of a public house.

Dr. LUSHINGTON said, in consequence of the
appeal that had been made to him from both sides of
the House he would beg the attention of the House,
while he said a few words upon the subject, and he
trusted that he would be enabled to do so with more
candor, with less acrimony, and in better spirit of cha-
rity than the Noble Lord who had just sat down—
(Cheers)—who had sneered most unbecomingly at Ca-
tholes, at all Dissenters of every kind and degree—in
fact at all persons who dared to think differently from
himself.—(Cheers.) He had the honour of sitting on
the Ecclesiastical Commission, with the Archbishop of
Canterbury, the Bishop of London, and the late Bishop
of Durham, and the Commission bad unanimously re-
commended the abolition of all proceedings which were
for the benefit of the soul's health, as it was called.—
(Hear, hear.) These proceedings were essentially
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execution,
and ought to have been abolished ac-
cording to the recommendations of the Commissioners.
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single exception of the Prerogative Court .n, with t
of Canter.
bury, which he could assure his Hon. Friend the
Mem-
ber for Cambridge would not cost the country one sin-
gle sixpence. The Report was made in 183% and
though a Bill founded upon it had been yearly introduced
since that period, still in consequence of the opposition
it met with nothing had been done. In 1837 it was
introduced into the House of Lords—they sent it to the
Select Committee, which after sitting ten reeks made
a report recommending certain alterations. The Bill
was in that state now, and the Government would hare
introduced it in the present Session, only they Lad the
Clergy Discipline Bill, which they were anxious to pass
first. He was assured that as soon as that Bill was in
such a stage as led to the probability of its passing-, the
other Bill would be at once introduced. He would row
proceed to the case of David Jones, and he would take
the facts as they were represented on both sides of the
House, and without fear or favour he would state his
opinion according to the law. It appeared that David
Jones had been chosen Churchwarden, and true it
was that that officer was allowed to appoint a de
puts. It was most true, that no Dissenter could be
obliged to serve that cffice. He took the office, and he
was bound to serve it, but he (Dr. L.) could not say,
nor did he thick that any one cauld with propriety or
decency say, that Le took the oath of office with the in•
tention of breaking it.—(Cheers.) He was called
upon to provide the sacred elements. He was bound to
do so if he had the funds in his hands:; he was bound
to do so—nay, he was bound to do more, he was beim('
and ask fcr a rate ; and if it were
t o
granted,calla es
hveatvray; obliged to collect it. The Noble Lord
was correct. If there were any arrears he was bound
to collect them, and provide the elements. He had
read all the proceedings, and be concurred in all that
had fallen from Drs. Addam r and Haggard, but upon
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the face of the proceedings there was r.o charge The quarterly meeting of the Middlesex Magistrates
at all. If the proceedings had been brought was held yesterday, at the Clerkenwell Session House.
in any of the Superior Courts before Sir H. Jenner Mr. Sergeant ADAMS in the Chair. There was a very
they aould not have stood a moment—(Cheers)—the numerous attendance of Magistrates.
instant they had been presented they would have been Mr. Hume, M:P., took the oaths.
reject, d. Those Ecclesiastical Courts were armed HANWEI.L LUNATIC ASYLUM.
with very great powers, and they were administered by The minutes of the sth, 7th, and 25th of February
Clergymen who knew nothing of the law, and who did having been read,
not know whether the proceedings were consistent with The CHAIRMAN stated that a letter had been re-
law or not.—( Hear.) He had seen many of the coup- ceived from Mr. Buzzard, the Vestry-Clerk of the pa-
try Courts which were altogether unsatisfactory. He rich of St. James's, stating that that Vestry had passed
acceded to the resolution of his Hon. Friend.--(Cheers.) the following resolution—
He would hat e done so had he even thought .the Rev. " That a communication be forthwith transmitted to the
E. Morris had been regular and justified by those pro- Clerk of the Peace, to be laid before the Magistrates of
ccedings. The Rev. Gentleman spoke of the indecent Middlesex on the next county day, expressive of the entire
conduct of the Churchwardens, but nothing of that kind want of confidence which this Board feels in the present
appeared on the face of the proceedings„ From Visiting Justices cf the County Lunatic Asylum at Han.
these Courts there was no appeal ; there well, arising from the fallacious statements put forth by
was no writ of error, and he ardently
them in their official reports; from their having v‘ithlield
remained they remained as great instruments of '
-
desired to see them abolished, for while they- the accustomed annual statement of receipts and expandi-
j rare of the Asylum, and particularly the treasurer's nc-
ticc.—(Cheers.) Let them reform abuses for the sake count, and from the enormous increase made in the weekly
mainnicyreaattsreid.
of justice, for the sake of their own characters, and aramtecionftinm,ationtenanacredsfoofr
sliixatientsr sincecet Miuchhaelimas last,
what was still more important, in order, if' possible, to charges being, in the opinion'yolf)ethis 17oa"rds, put an end to that religious difference and heartburaing imitable to the absence of all due vigilance, attention, and
which was so much shown in that House.—(Cheers.) proper economy on the part of such Visiting Justices to
lie thought it was most unfortunate that whenever any the general management and the financial concerns of the
improvement, however remote from the Church it was, Asylum."
still the Church was always set up as a bar and a bug- 'Phe report of the Visiting Justices of the County
bear to it.—(Cheers.) Lunatic Asylum having been read, and it hating been
Lard DUNCANNON and Mr. PRYME said a few words moved that the report be printed arid circulated,
in explanation. Mr. FREDERICK BYNG said there was an intimation
Sir CHARLES BURRELL contended that the in the report of mis-statements having been made. He
Church did not stand in the way of improvements ; but had addressed a letter on that subject to their Chair-
on the contrary, he had never witnessed a more conci-
man (Mr. Sergeant Adams,) and he thought that the
liatory spirit than that which prevailed amongst the
report did not enter so fully into the statements as it
clergy of the Established Church on this subject. ought to do.
Mr. O'CONNELL would vote for the motion of The CHAIRMAN said ho intended to lay before the
the Hon. Member for Lambeth, but he wished it to be Court the correspondence that had taken place between
understood that he was not voting the slightest censure himself and Mr. Byng, and perhaps that gentleman
on Mr. Morris ; on the contrary, he thought that gen. bad better postpone his observations until that corres-
tlememanto great credit. Because, although P
entitled ondence was read.
he was a pluralist in point of law, he was not Sir JOHN SCOTT LILLIE said that when a charge
so in practice, for, according to the state- was brought forward of misappropriation of funds, it was
tncnt of the Honourable Member opposite, their duty to inquire into such charge. He thought
and which no doubt was correct, he gave all the re- they ought to appoint a special meeting of the Court
venues of the one living to the party who performed to inquire into the allegations, and the Committee' of the
Asylum ought to be the first to support such a motion.
the duties, while he himself preached four times a day
in the other. No one wl:o heard that statement could Mr. HUME said a resolution liad been communicated
help entertaining great respect for that gentleman.— to the Court from a parish, stating that the parishion-
`Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord opposite (Lord Dun- ers had no confidence. in the Management of the Han-
arrannon)—had thrown out great insinuations against the well Asylum. That was a grave charge against a body
Catholic Clergy—(" Hear, hear," from Lord Dungan- so respectable, and they agreed with Sir J. S. Lillie,
non) and was ready to repeat them.—(" Hear, hear," that these charges should be inquired into, and that
from the same Noble Lord.) There was air advocate of
inquiry ought to proceed before any decision of the
tolerance . a • •
I (Lawyhter ) Yet he came forward and Court was come to upon the report.
Mr.- Tour thought that such a proceeding was calcu-
boasted that all the Clergy of Durham supported him
ngfaanbcoyut ttoastelsii,malatedto
the
a stigma on the Visiting Justices. First
—nd of all report ought to be circulated, and if the
notre-
of the port did not give satisfaction, then a committee might
laughter.) best sort.—(Renewed
.The Noble Lord he appointed. If the report was at all ambiguous,
FIL; etahutagatshtteteshr)eo—yf tthillreaerdeCvsal'eanrsg Clergy oxoefedeisdpinugti Durham was
then there might be same grounds for investigation, but
h thought it - most explanatory.--( Hear, hear.) He
e was
(Hear, hear.)
had imputed premeditated perjury to an absent man.—
only wished to do his duty to the Magistrates, to whom
he
the transaction —(Cries of "Order, order.")
Lord DUNGANNON—Judging from the whole of
Mr. O'CONNELL believed he was entitled to go
whom he was morally responsible.
on without interruption, and would only request
representative that Sir CHARLES FORBES said that a complaint had only
ta tiv.e
been made from one out of 100 of the parishes of Mid-
the meekness and modesty suited to the re.
of the Clergy of Durham might be exercised towards dlesex. If there was a complaint from even one-tenth
him.—(Hear hear, and laughter.) Could a stronger of the parishes, he should have thought it worthy of
,
re, non be given wlly this spnies of tr al ibun Ehnuid
sh;! some JOHN , etarsir, eration.—(Hear, hear.)
I
I abolished than that which the Right Hun. Gentleman Sir SCOTT LILLIE had no doubt that in a