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London, England, 1839-03-28 00:00:00

ries, amounting to 6,372/., which was the allowance of
beer money. In the salaries of barrack masters there
was an increase of 1,287/. on account of barracks in
Canada and Australia. In the Ordnance works and
plans there was an excess of 9.8,960/., there being
11,000/. extra for labourers employed six days in the
week instead of five. There was a❑ excess in the next

item of 3,6431. for the expense of surveys in Ireland.
The next and most important point was the vote for
Ordnance stores, yen which there was an excess of
63,0001. beyond the last year. The sum total to be
voted was 152,049 t. Every possible saving had been
made, looking to the efficiency of the department.
On the motion that 116,851/. be granted for the
payment of the Civil Establishment of the Ordnance-
office.

Mr. HUME said he did not rise to oppose the mo-
tion. After the House had agreed to such large votes
for both the Army and Navy, it was their duty to pro-
vide arms for them, and it was the worst economy to
provide bad arms for the services. He must allow it
to pass, but, at the same time, be must enter his protest
against the immense increase of the votes. He was
afraid that the House would not pay attention to the
expenditure of the nation, until it was rendered neces-
sary to increase the taxation. As a Reformer, he felt
himself in a false position.—(Hear, hear.) He was
very unwilling to change sides in that House, but his
duty strongly urged him to take that course.—(Cheers.)
He had hoped that times would change, but he had met
with constant disappointment. He would content
himself with entering his protest against the enormous
increase of the establishments of the country.—(Hear.)
The Right Hon. Bart., the Member for Tam worth, had
said that evening, the time must come when an inquiry
would be instituted as to whom the blame rested upon
for not having the boundary question settled, but he
(Mr. Hume) believed that if such an inquiry were in-
stituted, the Right Hon. Bart. himself would come in
for a share of the blame. Lately there had been nothing
but bad management and bad government, and he should
be happy to see a change for the better.—( Hear, hear.)
107,6521. were then voted for defraying the expences of
the corpa of Engineers and Sappers and Miners ; 353,7261.
for defrayinc, the expences of the regiment of Royal Ar-
tillery ; and 34,3851. for the salaries of barrack: masters
at home and abroad.

On the sum of *30,326/. being proposed for defray-
ing the charges for Ordnance works, repairs, &c., in the
United Kingdom and the Colonies,

Mr. HUME complained of the charges made for the
admission of the public to the Tower and other public
buildings.
Colonel ANSON said the charge for admission to
the Tower was very small, being only a shilling, but he
should be very happy to see all fees for admittance to
the Tower and similar buildings abolished.
Mr. WAKLEY said the fee of one shilling was large
or small according to the means of the individual paying
it.—(Hear, hear.) A shilling was of more importance
to a poor man who earned but 12s. or 13s. a week, than
5001. or 6001. was to the Gallant Colonel. It was sur-
prising to find, when the money of the people was vot-
ing away, that out of the 320 Members of the Opposi-
tion in that House, there were only six now present.—
(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet, the Member
for Tamworth, was probably saying that it was not for
them to object to the voting of money, which his (Sir
R. Peel's) party would have the spending of.—( A
laugh.) It was, however, a woeful thing to think that,
with a reduced revenue, the expenditure of the present
year was to be increased beyond that of the last by
nearly three millions. And yet the present Ministers
came into office as a reforming and an economic Govern-
ment. He hoped some explanation of the vote would
be given.

Sir HUSSEY VIVIAN said the increase to which

the Hon. Member alluded, arose from additional pay
being allowed to medical officers for length of service.
The increased allowance did not, however, extend to
assistant-surgeons. He thought there were great ob-
jections to throwing open such a place as the Tower,
containing 100,000 stand of fliuted arms to the public
indiscriminately.
Mr. BRII.'COE condemned the principle of com-
pelling the public to pay ls. each for admittance to the
Tower.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said it was the wish of the Government to give every
facility to the public to view every object of interest
over which the Government had any controul.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the question that a sum of 144,0611. be granted
for the Barrack Service,
Colonel THOMAS complained of the state in
which the barracks were. They had not been painted.
in many cases, for several years—they were a disgrace
to the country. He was surprised to find an Hon.
Member (Mr. Hume) who had amassed a large for-
tune in India by supplying rations to the army, getting
up night after night in the House and opposing every
measure that would tend to the comfort and conveni-
ence of the soldier.

Mr. HUME would give a flat denial to the state-
ment of the Gallant Officer opposite that he (Mr.
Hume) was in the habit of opposing every measure
that was brought forward for the good of the army—it
was utterly untrue ; he had never opposed any measure

calculated te attain that object. No man in the House

had done more to improve the condition of the private
soldier than he had done ; he would merely allude to his
attempts to do away with the punishment of flogging.—
(Hear.) With regard to what had•taken place in India
the Gallant Officer had been talking on a sub-
ject about which he could know nothing.—
(Hear, hear.) His statements were utterly untrue.
The Gallant Officer had been uttering falsehoods in
that House. He had talked about his feeding the

troops, what did he mean by speaking on such subjects?
He (Mr. Hume) bad never done anything in his life
that he was not proud of, and therefore he called upon
the Honourable and Gallant Officer to state what he
meant by such an unwarrantable attack, to which he
(Mr. Hume) had given its proper designation. He
hoped he would be more cautious the next time as to
the statements he made, as it would be utterly impos-

sible public business could be carried on if attacks
were made in this way. Whether he was con-
nected with physic or not, he would defy any
one to say he bad ever done anything he ought to be
ashamed of.—(Chccrs.) The conduct of the Gallant
Oflicer might appear extraordinary, but the House
would perceive from his manner the reason of his
conduct.
Col. THOMAS said that the circumstance to which
he alluded was well known. The Hon. Gentleman
had been an assistant-surgeon, and afterwards appointed
commissary.

Mr. HUME—That is not true.—(Hear.)
Col. THOMAS had heard so when he was in India.
With regard to the Hon. Gentleman's assertion, that he
had uttered a falsehood, it was too contemptible for him
to notice, it was beneath his contempt.—(Loud cries of
turceoloofnetlhesiaktLataNcvkEtyad,eibf,y,ndtleied
order.)
The CHAIRMAN complained of the personal na-
GthaellacnotnCduolcotneolf, andte
desired that this course might not be persisted in,
Honourable Member for itilkenny, against the unfair
attack of the Gallent Officer.
Sir HUSSEY VIVIAN would not he tempted to
lose his temper by the attack of the Gallant Officer.
If his barracks were in that state, he had no one to
thank for it but himself. If he had made his complaint
to the General Officer of the district, instead of coming
to this House and complaining, his complaint would
have been submitted to him (Sir H. Vivian) and imme-
diately attended to.
Colonel THOMAS had understood that representa-
tions had been made on the subject ; he had no inten-
tion of saying anything disrespectful either to the Gal-
lant General or to any other person in that house.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that these attacks arose from having a Government
which was determined to keep down the expenditure, at
the same time providing for the comforts .of the troops.
If the House of Commons countenanced the doctrine
that establishments were to be increased because officers
did not like their rooms in the barracks, there would be
no end to complaints. The House forced the Govern-
ment to increase the establishments, and Members
afterwards objected to the increased expense.
Sir A. DALRYMPLE asked whether the geological
survey was being proceeded with, and whether the ex-
penses were likely to be more than the estimates ?
Sir H. VIVIAN said that the
geological survey
of Devon and Cornwall was completed, and that of
South Wales was commenced. The Highland Society
wished the survey of Scotland to be on a different
scale from that of England, and the subject was
under consideration. The survey of Ireland was com-
menced on an increased establishment, consequently the
estimates had been departed from.
Mr. HUME suggested that the maps should be sold
at the same rate as the documents of that House.
Sir H. VIVIAN said the price had been reduced
as low as possible, but it was impossible to afford them
at that ratio on account of the wearing out of the
plates.
On the vote of 185,000/. for the expense of Stores
for time United Kingdom,
Captain BOLDER() insisted on the right of marines
to great coats, and said the Government was bound to
show by what authority they made the soldier pay for
his coat.
Lord HO WICK said that the marines were a fa-
voured service. These discussions as to the compara-
tive pay of the different services were dangerous and
inconvenient.
Captain BOLDERO said that this was the fourth
time he had brought forward the subject of great
coats, and the Government were as ignorant of
the subject as children.—(Hear, heir.) The ma-
rines on the ships' books had only 19s. 6d. a
month. It would be much more becoming on the part
of the Noble Lord (Howick) instead of attempting to
put him (Capt. Boldero) down.by rebukes and rebuffs,
to endeavour to examine into the subject, and do justice.
Sir T. TROUBRIDGE denied that there had been
any disinclination on the part of the Government to
enter into the question : on the contrary, he had exa-
mined carefully into it.