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London, England, 1830-07-06 00:00:00

*as nailed Oa 'to pity,for a military force to keep the
people of Ireland under. ''
Lord F. L. GOWER. denied that out Itvottr..
itistn had been practised ; when a propel Mapes.
minty offered, he should be quite ready to meet the
lion. Member on that question.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
LABOURERS' WAGES.
On the question that the House go into a Cont.
mitts's on this Bill,
Mr, R. GORDON said, that he did not think it
fair to pass this bill so late in the Session, As many
had left London on the understanding that it would
not be. purstred. The present Bill confirmed no less '
than thirteen differetit Arts of Pediment, the con•
segtientie of which must be endless confusion and
doubt. At ell events, he thought that they ought '.
to lie cttrernely cautious how they proceeded; and
he should therefore propose that the measure abould
be confined in the first instance to the counties of
Stafford and Warwick. ,
Mr. ROBINSON opposed the till on principle,
and condemned several of the clauses as crod and
uneottelitutional, H. was of opinion, oleo, that the
Bill would not effect its object. The truck 'system
was, he admitted, a great evil ; but it arose from
'
the state of trade, and there was no other alternative
but suffering the truck system of throwing the '-
labourer out of employment. lie further objected e
to the nil as partial, and being limited to 074 or ~:,
two reenufactures. If the House suffered the Bill
to be committed, he hoped that it would watch it
closely, for in his opinion no Hill hed ever lion in,
traduced which contained so many objectionable
clauses as this. He would suppoueritetililvey,italbieleliEdl,l
,frauds,
because thought it would be a benefit to the working classes; T- ,
but thinking It would be injurious to them he shook! '.
tippose it.
Mr. BERRIES meant to confine his remarks '.
wholly to, the principle of the Bill. He wished it
to be remembered that the Bill did not originate ,•,.
with the Government; but when the Government
.t„,.
received many representations from the manufsc- i
wring districts of the great evils of the truek system ~
it felt itself bound to support a Bill which professed ','
to put it stop to such ,egtensive evils. If it were
likely that the Bill conid effect so much practical ...
good, it email desert,e the support of the House.
At present the Bill was apposed because it was said
to be contrary to all principles of legislation;' be, on
the contrary, contended that it was consmiant to the
best principles of legislation—that of providing
for the welfare of those who could not ';
take care of themselves. The uniform con-
duct of the Government had been guided by
this principle. There was another principle of ''
Government—that of securing. the performance of all
contracts; and this Dill was Intended to secure the
contract entered into by the master with his work- ;•
men, to pay them in money. In all cases, the law •
compelled the performance of such contract ; and,
if it were defective hi this one instance, the lace
ought to be amended. Dr. Adam Smith had stated,
that whenever the Legielsture attempted to replete
the affairs between master and workmen, clue masters
are the eouttiellors of the Legiehoure. 'Whenever
the Immo in favour atilt, workmen it was just. The
~,
law, for example, which compelled the meter to pay .
hie wages lit money instead of goods, .was a just law. ;
j oThise t 0 teas v
theas thlaewdlocvatstion:i7of Atodacmomspmelit
‘ivhieloi r
eol. t undertookiticto tof
op
believeday
timhlteoh;l toilLisefely:,ol,tt'illii e:futioi 1'
:'!.
Member for Montrose did not understand the sob- -
jeer. At present the mimeo; were in the Wilt Of
paying their Workmen in goods after contincting to
pay them in money, oral this was the evil the -law
1 eleet.rir.es a
thatignri
oe ehdtti
Ibleieye,
oil: gghotodtso: enforce that t*ltitats csonet:ant:trra.Ae
htl lens
I 1 ever,lYerial ittneji
contracts etlit;tlyr ta
etothselt)ottsheers pitydop"ar': partly I y in money Alla partly
because goods had no rued pticel The labourer Val
at the mercy of hie employer, wild would infallibly
make all that he could out of his workmen. lii the
contract, therefore, one .part y had power over the
other, and that was a case which sailed for the in-
terference of the Legislative. Ile once had some ;
doubts of legislating on the subject, and ,he still
spoke with jealousy to that part of the Bill witlah in
nay way interfered to prevent contracts being fortneo
but as far as the Bill Went to enforce the perform-
ante of contracts—and it should he remembered that
almost all contracts for wages were contracts for
money-e-it had his cordial support. That part of
the Bill which prohibited masters from being dealers ' .
its any commodities, he did not approve of; and i
if that practice could be guarded against running 't
into imposition, he should wish to give it his ;
support. He would have no objettlon to the
master being a retail trader, provided money was
always paid, and no compulsion were used to-
wards
the tnen to make them buy. at the shop Or ,
their master. The labourer gave his labour to the
master, and after giving his labour, he had no ,re-
source but to accept payment, such as his master ;
chose. At present there was a great degree of ex- '
citement, of suffering, of 'Misery, and alines' of
rebellion, in the manufacturing districts on this
subject, which called on the Government to in-
terfere. The labourer came to the House de
-
mending relief, and so did the masters who;
did not pay their workmen by this ;inlets.'
per method. 'rho Board of Trade bad vositived p
from many Magistrates letters, Imploring it to inter-
fere. If to interfere were contrary to principle? he •i,
could not tell these Magistrates sot for the welfare ' t
of the country required the interference. Even the ~
Hon. Member for Montrose admitted that it was not • '
safe to leave the law as it at present was; but he i
proposed that Ali these laws should be abolished. .
That was not, however, Adam Smith's opinion; and
his Hon. Friend, acting on the principles of Aden ,1
Smith, and not on those of the modern school of ',".
political economists, had brought in his Bill to amend ,
and improve the law, and net to abolish it. Ile I
approved, therefore, of the principle of the measure,
though in the Committee he should have several
amendments to propose, in order to make it more
consistent and useful.
Mr. BENI:117 said that there were principles
which the Lei/lel/nine could coon-oat, but there were
some which could not be controlled. The price o
labour wits one of this latter, and therefore the laws
for regulating the wages of labour, of which there
were many to the Statute book, had remained in-
operative. - He objected, therefore, to the principle
of the Bill, and there were many of the clauses
which were wholly inadmissible. The Hon. Gen.
demon, the Preeldent of the Board of Trade, ap-
peared to him not to comprehend the Bill. He hilly
agreed with him, that contracts should be kept anti
enforced; and, therefore, he thought, it A roaster
contracted to pay hie men in goods AS Well as in
money, that contrast ought to he enforced. But as
he understood the Bill, it was to set arida inch con-
tracts, anti compel the master to pay wholly in money
and ten in pude. A master might, too many matte
tees did, have shops not in their own name, and
believed when t 1 at rui
that
toor
vek
biotes
reiiii:dtpi
;Idol
,atelt
impossible.
gttyh at these ttelhineeas
enable
lt ot
hrs weretwleyi
were turned eat of their employment 4 anti as there
(114:.ttitt.,,t,i,
I,
)ilighbisi
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ei asnl‘t general
e)oterior ttrrithe ebtiidilertyvl,
yiteoti
contended
idnkbetneer: snarytiteiiiiiiailds.dnoiyTti thgtlalistaawttptt.i
)oe theiri $
ogiLnlntahlet emiti
aiiwutthsoaieloiffimaster,,lire(llc.tne
Ilia:
4,0 d eet
man so turned out got no employment. If this
11%;:i.:1::el.::t:1 patvirthlert:ae.g:ll‘s::e yill
contrary cui loul.tl truck
w)fk, ircoobynlutgillildigidgotolodts thhuei nkwereen,oig.tlidliitsid:
the
Iliteetbitrtejti:::::fteuntlititli'l
e
enforce them;
and , • Ugh he thought it might
1.'121 f) erreduld be
et
o remedied
nt
l'ioaletyein" bd°lltlti treluesaliii ntc:anilltseti.Owt:" tdneoßoi istjtilyp°ot touodh smallll
el
should
let 1' interfere.
t'it:hfiv'ert. te. Irtit manufacturers,llguil!alidr 41.1 aupt te
elhetl ..e
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the Legislature I " Principl"
with
which
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tug the condition of the colliers, coalltisvere, *tante,
amid other persons employed iii collieries anti salt.
works in Scotland in the middle or the lati t.tattury,
to show that if MOWS wets snowed to pay than
wotkinett in any MStillet' they chose, the yvo,lottet,.
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