The Sun.
London, England, 1808-06-11 00:00:00

LORI CAIrTLEREAGIT stated, that all the clauses
which he had hitherto proposed, contained notli:ng
m )re than what was necessity to carry into effect,
the provisions of the Bill.
-Sir J. Netvroar thought this clause of much im-
portance, and thatit was of still greiter importat,cp,
not to allow this new pradice of adding so much
additional matter, without a possibility of ascertain-
ing its precise tendency.

this' Amendment, but it was negatived without a
division. •
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On the motion that the Bill do pass,
Mr. WINDHAM contended tat the • Bill mug
prove wholly inadequate to.the ohjeet which it had.
in view ; ',while it would put the, country to an itn•
Manse expence, not, less than two millions anntiallyt
and for what ? to purchase weakness—for it would
be purchasing weakness at that enormous stun, to be
locking up men in corps, from which yon could not
disengage them when the hour and danger of inva•
sion came upon us ; yet it was among the first ob-
jetas of the measure to avert the danger of invasion,
and could any man of sensiexPea that it could ever
be averted by such means ? , - •
Sir FRANCIS Stumm endeavoured to shew, that
Instead of being a Bill for the defence of the Coon'
try, it was rather a Bill of pains and penalties on the
_people. • •
The SaCRNTARY at WAR defended the system
pursued in the British Army, against the lamina-
lions and charges of the Hon. Baronet ; and asked
how• an army could be kept together or be harmless
without enforcing discipline. Was not the necessity
of discipline manifested by the experience of all 411-
ilOll5 and of all times ?

The House divided.
Por•the clause • .
Against it

- - Is
Majority -46 .
, - -
Several other Clauses were introduced by Lord
CASTLEREAGH and agreed ID.- "Among thes4 were
one enacting that nee conviation by a Deputy Lieu,
tenant,- should be removed by certiorari into any of
the superior Courts. On this Clauses short discus-
sion took place, in which. it was contended by Sir "
A. Pigott anti Mr. Windham, That this was an un-
precedented regelation; and by fiord Castlereagh i;nd
the Chancellor of the Excheyer,, that it was exa6tly,..
4.
similar tea provision in the old Militia 'Levis. ,-- - 1
Lord CASTLEREAGH then proposed a clause, em:- •
pOwering the Lord Lieutenant the Sheriffs, or three.
Magistrates, to call rout the I:ocal.Militia for a cer.-
lain number of days for the suppressioe of any riot .
or tumult that might occur in
.the 'country. The
clause contained a provision, that the number .of
days on which the Local Militia were employed in
this service, should go to the diminution -of the
term of their training for the year; 'and that.if that
term should have preyiously been fulfilled,' that-th+y
should then go to. the dimipution of-the eirin.oftile
succeeding year. Ile observed, thatin„cascs of tu-
mult or riot, the Local Militia might be very use4dl-
- employed hefore a regular force could -arrive.
On the motion for bringing up. this clause, '
• Sir F. BURDETT protested against it, and contend-
ed, that, like the Bill itself, it. was hostile to the
whole spirit, of the• British Constitution. He con-
demned in the strongest language this new mode
of legalizitig the bringing up of armed men to sup-
press riots, , declaring that the Constitution already •
afforded sutficieni.means of effeCting that objet.
Mr. WYNDHAM followed) on toe same side,• and
ridiculed the idea of this being. an expeditious mode
.of bringing an armed force to bear upon', any tumult-
oils meeting that might occur.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCLIEQURR defended
the clause. If•any disturbance existed in the Coun-
try, to whom could the House entrust the power
given by this clause more Safely than to the Magi.
strates. •- , .• . ' - :
Mr. WHITBREAD charaEterized. the dense ,al.,tt •
-great innovation On the Constitetlinc-
- Mr. D. GIDDY enied thatlit.was any innovation
on the Coustituti ,_ •
aft
Sir S. ,ROMILLY ntended, that as'it was a perfeal
novelty, and involved in it most important principles,
it ought not to be introduced by way of a rider to 71
Bia, but. ought to be brought forward in a separate
form, and deliberately discussed. .
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A division ensued :
in favour of bringing up the Clause • 97
Against it - - - - . - . - - 30
- . Majority - - - -.47 ...
The Clause was- then.. brought. up and read.--eOO
the motion that it be agreed to, - - . •
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Mr. WHITBREAD was desirous of proposing a
modification, by which this obnoxious clause might
be amended, it' this were,,tbe proper time to do so.
The Stsattea informed, the Hon.
,GentleinaeAliat
this was not the proper time. -•-. - -
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Mr.. SHERIDAN could not • conceive that any
amendment could render this, cialise tolerable. ' It
was one of the Most dire 4 infringements
,on the
Constitution that, he had everknown.' - lis dangere,
oes tendency could 'be equalled only by its absur-
dity. if it were thought advisisable to give to the
Magistracy this power over the Local Militia, whys '
'not give them the same, pOwer over the Volunteers,,
over the Old Militia, or over the Regular Army.?
Nothing couk. be
.more ridiculous than the present
proposition. How would i; be possible to coiled the.
1 Local Miiitia for the purpbse -of suppressing a riot,
and if oolleded, .how are they suddenly to procure
their arms ) He prestimed,. that if a riot took-. place
. . •
on Saturday, the ,eotices for the Local Militia to
' assemble were to be affixed to the church doors on
Sunday, and that eisriy on Monday morning they
were to begin to set to work to
.resiore traequislity.
He gave the claesehis most decided oppOsitioe,
Lord CasTegettaost statedmilat• this clause was
literally 'copied from the Volunteer Ads, and as
a cousiderable 'number of the . Volunteer Corps
were likely' to:be:tome a Local Militia, it was: de'.
.sirable to have the same provisioe_ applicable to t, Nit l- paper wasput to Press; 110officia, :.0'
. HEN this u
them in case of their being called out on this . • • •t. ng
service. telligenee had reached Town . Iron.) our Flee
Mr. SHERIDAN, ill explanation, challenged the ._Cadiz; but a number of private accounts have been
Noble Lord to produce any instance before the pre- received, which we thin, kit our duty
sent till, in which the Army, or even Volunteers,. , • for their'
were placed at the disposal, by statute, oldie Civil our Readers, without pledging ourselves
°core')
Magistrate. . . . - • accuracy. It is stated,' that the Marquis Da S
Mr, WINDHAM argued • against the -clause, be-' ' who ' - . '. . • - . portogii,
commands the S,)anisli 1 roops in
cause the regular troops, 'in case of being called , • i • •
,Cause
out to suppress it riot, aCted with a degree of can- ' declared his detertnitiation .to support the
'antf
tion which would not be exercised by an uudisci; of his Country against the: treacherous Invasi
purred force.' ' - ' ' ',Ouste y
the I.;:sclgli.:•.a.ud that -urea-Army belPg .. , •
- Admiral Heavex explaiesd.• . - . - .:--
.'
. ' ' ' d his arch
Lord LOUYAINE, ME. M. MONTAGUE, and Sir similar' sentiments, he had commence Isis'
to
. J. Oxpe supported the clause, which was .then read-• 'for the purpose nt giving .effedual ildisiance
• o has
aSetaand time; and, on the question that the clause. do Embaig
untrymen. • It is also stated that the
be :read a t bird time, ' .
entirelY re:01'•
• Mr. WHITBREAD proposed,' as an amendment, . . been taken off, at Oporto, . which was , ,
~,
• reent,
• that the Magistrates, "or Deputy Lieutenants, call- risoned by Spanish Troops. BUONAPARTS IS 1 • .
tá lay beta..
ing out the Local Militia in cases of riot, should eve' ryba'
,i.,.. Spin,
exertion to pour , troops into ..
not be Officers of such' Militia ; and alter a few. •.
if the. determtnation of the People .1° r°'st.
observations from "Lord CASTLBRIZA9II and ' Mt.. '
WHITBREAD, the Amendment was negatived with- 'be as' to be.
out a division. • t ,:e. effUrls
Mr. SHERIDAN proposed; that some personal'eo-.L. wi
. I lien,' it is, we have Huta-4:61,N that thee. -
general as we hare every reason
evident that
tice should be served upon the members of the Local
Militiai when called out .on such occasions, befort'• '.
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,•. . • ,- . ,
i of •the cow,
11' be crowned,
'with ' inccesa., ,It is .
Bettritai entertains- serious apprehens.ons ,
# Ihe hoi
any penalty could attach ; . but that stiggestion•wae .. setacfences .of this general Insurrection, are .
over-e•tiled ; after which the Clause was added to the.. published ltril'
Bill by way of titter. • d 11'
• he groon ,
. , . Several Amendments .were then proposed andi ing to raze eyerYVillage or Town to t
• t
of
published the most ill fag) ous Prochitua ii ons,thre,
1n.c.10 to the. body of
,the Bill, but of ,an immate(ol.; .wl)ich.aiwt,..irench blood should .be .she,..- r
'nature. On the clause diredink thanhe surplu4,4 ! 'procja
tlia amount or fines and penalties, over the amount :. - ma
' • f higher
of fines Paid into the Batik, abOuld be defra ed ' ,
~ y out .
at leatt they heve only.tended to raise to a still'
airog
Of the County rate, - •
1 Mr. W.. Wyl4int objected to that priwisiun,
, .' Nation-, lig,
' tions' 'have hitherto prodUced no etre& °
):itch the indignation of the Spanish
d
1 likely, to pioduce an injurious an 4 unequal efle6;": •, " •.- - - .
and ruove4 an Amendment, to lave out-the.wordi : 'siko is k‘r:i,e.....j.s.4ifid Allies. . ~ -
eito
as • the. Osurpei, W.hose.. arinies treacherously 't.;nter
t " that 'a separate account- be kept of fines and pe- L , The•NobleS arid others v!'
tialttes. bow short conversation took place upon . B - re'fug.v.'
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he viere' snip.,lllol3, .
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Mr, WINDHAM explained'.
The Hon. Mr. ROBINSON contended, that the dis
cipline in the British Army .was milder than, in till
army of any other country., The discipline in RUSSia
and Prussia was severe to a proverb.; and it wai
wrll
known that the stick' was frequently employed in
the gtonal.arrny.---01 loud cry of No, ND
on.. Gentleman could only-assure the House thet
.I.vis heard so from persons who were witnessesof the
tad.

Mr. V. WYNNE suppored the Bill.
Mr. W. SMITH denied that. the stick %vas resorted
to in the French army; it might perhaps have been
so under the old regime ; but certain he was that
such a prieticei.did not prevail at. present. Here,
however, an Officer was known to strike the inv
,diers.—(4l cry oflro, No!), He knew it to be so,
and therefore would repeat it ; he rejoiced, how'
sever, that such a pradtice was now so loudly Co'
demne4,.-and he was therefore glad to have it mend-
tinned, because the disapprobation now cxPresse
might tend to *correct the' praCtice for the future.
General „MATHEW and 'General STEwitaT
vindi-
cated ;the &trader of the British Officers, as ais°
did'Air. M. A. TAYLOR.
Sir J. HALL and Admiral WIRVEY spoke in fa"
your of the Bil Land reprobated the charges brought
against the Officers of the,Briash Army.
The trues/lon. was then urversally called for, at'd
the 'House, div ided :
Ayes A 104
Noes .xb
• Majority for Ministers -78
The third reading of the S'ugar Distillery Bill WO,
deferred`- till' Monday next ; and the (Apr ,Orders us
the Day being disposed of, the Hotisl: adjouplod.
three o clock this morning.
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Aftevisa— t Gottenburgh, t %Vaterford. Dut —2
Waterford.

THE SUN.

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SATURDAY, tuna 11, 18013,
Tuts morning a Mail fr`gm'Goltenburgh arrived
the following are the only 'articles of-41U:1104.
which it brings :
GOTTINAURGH, JuNe 3.—Yesterday arriwadi
here His Britannic Majesty's Ships the Brunisvio
and Edgar ; at the same time a convoy from Luna
don, &c. reached this port.
" The English Eipedition yet remains in 1101'
boor. We have nu news to-Jay, of any particular
import either from Finland or Norway."

THE Kiakkes Danish 'Privateer, ,of 50 Men, 15
captured ,by His 'Majesty's Ship ifriadne, and seat
into Leith ; fo-urteen of the Prilniteer's crew were
absent, in prizes. The ;friadne has re-.'aptured
Swedish Brig and sent her into Leith also,

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