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before Easter, or ifa sufficient number of Members could not attend but allusion hail often been made to a compact made upon that
before, he would then defer it until after Easter, but as for affirming side of the House, therefore he might be might be excused, that he
the principle of the Bill, he wished the House to affirm it to-night. (Mr. S) in speaking of the Right lion. Member for Tamworth,
The House hae frequently affirmed it before, and he saw no reason fillottld speak of him as of the party. He was only speaking
which should induce them to refuse to affirm it on the present of a notorious fact when he said that on this question they were
occasion. The Hon. Baronet., the Member for Londonderry, had entering on a compact body, and came forward in consequence of a
objected to the Bill because he thought the persons returned previous determination.—(Cries of 'f No, no.") Then he was to
as Burgesses to serve in the Town Council would be understand that this was an isolated ca,e—he presumed that this
Roman Catholics. Why, if the majority of the electors was an an open question on the other side of the House.—(A laugh.)
were Roman Catholics, and the majority of those in whom they But after all, it was not to the Ministers that such strange adula.
placed confidence were Roman Catholics likewise, he would say let tions should be addressed. It ought to be to the Right Hon.
them elect a majority of Roinan Catholics if they liked.—( Loud Member for Tamworth, for he had stated that on this occasion he
cheering.) If the majority in any town were Protestants, and would not oppose the second reading of the Bill. His words Wad
those who enjoyed the contieltnee of the electors were also Protes. that the Corporation Bill had teen brought forward over and over
tants, let there be a Protestant majority; but, for his part he would again. It had been passed by large majorities—they found that Oa
never consent to make any distinction between a respectable and public mind had been made up in favour of the Bill—and in short
loyal Roman Catholic, and a respectable and loyal Protestant. we must give way.—(Cheers.) We must give way—these were his
Th3t was the principle of the present Bill, and from that principle words; th .t was Isis understanding ; was that not the understand-
he would not depart.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Bart. and the Noble ing of the Hon. Gentleman on the other side of the House? but
Lord had r ferred to:two other subjects. The Hon. Bart. had made that was not all—had they not the pledge of the Duke
the wonderful discovery that this Administration, like other Admi. of Wellington ? Did he not say, " Settle time Tithe question—pass
nistrationi which proceeded it, must hold its station in that House in the Poor.law Bill, and I will do my best to carry the Corporation
consequence of the vacs of its supporters.—(Cheers and laughter. Bill ?—(Loud cheers.) In the absence of the Right Honourable
the Right Honourable
Now, he would admit to the Hon. Bart. and the Noble Lord, that at Member for Tamworth he would ask
long es that House was divided, as long. as there was a sonority Member for the University of Cambridge (Mr. Goulburn), as the
and a majority, and administration to stand, must depend on the most conspicuous of the party present, whether he did not feel him-
vole. of the majority, and that majority must be constituted by its self bound--whether he meant to divide upon the second reading of
supporters—(Cheers and Laughter)—and he was quite as ready to this Bill—he had been silent upon the occasion ?—(No, and laughter.)
receive the support of the Roman Catholic Members of that House, Well, he would ask the Noble Lord, the Member for Lancashire
as to accept the support of those with whom the Right lion. Bart. (Lord Stanley) or the Hon. Member, for he forgot where—but he
was :n the habit of acting, and who he believed had for many years who was Member for Cumberland—(Loud laughter)—whether they
pst constituted an exclusive and intolerant party.—(Loud Cheers would be in a division upon that question after such a
from the Ministerial benches). He would now allude to the appoint_ declaration ? Let them have a division.—(Cheers.) Let
scent which had recently taken. place, of Lord Eorington, them not shrink from it.—(Cheers.) He had heard it
to the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. He was not again and again—Conservative Members say, that they would move
disposed to refuse his share for the responsibility of the appoint- amendments upon this and that measure—that they would move a
ment.— (Loud cheers) Ile had the pleasure of knowing Lord. vote of censure, but they had never fulfilled their promises—there
Ebrington for many years, anti those who knew him would agree the chalenge had been given, and he challenged them to persevere in '
that a man of higher character—(Loud cheering) —or purer their motion.—(Loud cheers.) They had departed from the
public principles did not exist.—(Loud and continue' cheers.) question now under consideration, and had gone into that
or one more sincerely devoted to the Protestant religion.—(Cheers.) on the appointment of Lord Ebrington. (Hear, bear,
uovotnedottobethdoisp
supportted o ft becausee P
An allusion had been made to a speech of that Noble Lord's last hear.) Now it might strike the House that those who
year, the purport of which he believed he had stated at the time were opposed to the appointment of the Noble Lord, had the op-
ro he.
character WouldWould nolitoaiti
manyha‘• have beeno f themtli e
possessed?—(Cheers.)
s od best—the ?
_.. course(ch eem,
so. s) t worthy had been misunderstood. Surely
could
dhe attachment of that Noble portunity of addressing her Majes y to rescind that appointment.
testant Church of Ireland were too large. Surely the Noble Lord had it, instead of dealing in insinuations °t
Let t.
ht
them e ofm t dohe
a right to entertain the opinion that the Protestant Church of Ireland Lord CASTLEREAGH—Facts, facts.
wLoosidoftoo
was too rich to perform with advantage the duties which devolved Mr. SHlEL—lnstead of dealing in insinuations, let them, in.
upon it, and that, if a contest upon
nect of tithes must be car- stead of dividing upon time Second Reading of that Bill, divide the
arried oj
it,litien °ri Protestantthe the religionrevenues e Eel
ried on, it was better it shou by the rich, who could House upon the appointment of the Noble Lord.—(Cheers.)
tha dl
on
afford to carry it on. n Y the poor who could Had the Gentlemen opoosite forgot the letter which had
not; and that, as he understood,. wasDi the substance of the been produced in the House of Lords, dated April, 1834
observations of the Noble Lord.
1 d Ito
say that because —a letter from Lord Anglesea, then the Lord Lieutenant of
his Noble Friend was of opinion that the revenues of the Ireland to Lord Grey, then tle Prime Minister, and at a time when
that, Irish Church should be reduced, therefore. he was an the Noble Lord, the Member for North Lancashire (Lord Stanley)—
unlit person to hold the office of Lord Lieutenant? Why he which contained words in which it was stated, amongst other tl • iings,
had frequently himself held those opinions, and stated them in that that the Establishment had always exceeded the religious wants or
House. Ile had frequently stated his opinion that a portion of the the people, and that a maintenance of it, in its then present state,
revenues of the Church of Ireland ought to be appropriated to the would only lead to anarchy and confusion, and a bad feeling among
moral and religions education of the people of Ireland. Lord Ebrington the Irish people—that It would be the commencement of a struggle
held similar opinions, and had stated th em in that House, and he with the Irish people. That was to be found in 23 Hansard, page
could not consider that these opinionswerere any disqualification :43—that was the language of Lord Anglesca to the Prime Minister,
for the office of a Lord Lieutenanttended
v
of Ireland. He held when the Noble Lord, the Member for South Lancashire, was Seere-
those opinions because he thought they to give stability and tary for Ireland. He must have had a perfect knowledge of
sucurity to the Protestant Church. These opinions were held in the facts and statements made in that letter, and yet lie did not
common by himself and Lord Ebrington, and
them the and
he thought Lord resign. Would he then vote against the appointment of the Noble
would be as fully justified by giving
Ebrington support of i Lord ?—(Cheers )
his he had s vote in the House of Lords, as been in the House of Lord CASTLERE AG H. —As lie had been appealed to by the
Commons,—(Loud cheering.) The exercise of the authority of Hon. and Learned Member, he begged to state in answer—
her Majesty in that country, had been delegated to the Noble The SPEAKER.—The Hon. Member is out of order. If every
Lord, amid he was perfectly willing to take his full share Member was to answer an appeal made to him, there would be no
h
of responsibility in that appointment. Althot: go an opportunity had end to it.
been taken—the earliest opportunity possible—(Loud cheering) i Mr. O'CONNELL conceived that the Noble Lord was per.
to excite a prejudice against his Noble Friend.—(Immense cheer- ' fectly in order, because since he had last addressed the house a
ing)--yet when his Noble Friend became known to the people motion for an adjournment of the House had beets made.
of Ireland he could not believe th t
h
at e expression of his opinion 1 The SPEAKER—If the Noble Lord claims his right to
in favour of devoting these reve :ues to the
advantage of the address the house in consequence of a new motion,
People of Ireland— (Hear, hear)—instead of to the support of a he was no doubt perfectly in order. He (the Speaker) was only
small minority—he could not believe that his giving endeavouring to preserve the order of the House.—(Hear.)
expression to that opinion would at all lessen his Noble Friend i Lord CASTLEREAGH was always most ready to bow to the
in the estimation of the people of Ireland.-- (The Noble Lord sat authority of the Chair ; but as it was decided he was in order, he
which lasted some tine.) : begged to state that in his place in that House, as a Member
a
down amidst loud cheering,
Sergeant JACKSON regretted exceedingly toat the Noble Lord for that constituency, he owed no duty or allegiance to any chief
had not yielded to the suggestion which had been thrown out, that or party, except so long as they were endeavouring to pursue a
it would he better not to bring this question forward at that late course that was beneficial to those constituents. He did not see
hour of the night. They had been wandering from
the question exactly the point upon which .he was appealeds to, but he would
before the House.—(llcar, hear.) Perhaps this was one conse. do his duty in that House withot those
nosohonet intentiona and he
question at that inconvenient hour. No trusted with the approbation who sent. him there..
queue° of pressing the
perfectly • •
justified in opposing
person here or elsewhere could impugn
the moral character of He conceived that he was
Lord Ebrington—no 'one could venture to impugn the cha. the second reading of the Bill, because it was unusual to bring on
racter of that Noble Lord—(Cheers)—he believed that no one a motion of such paramount importance either for the convenience
possessed a higher character than that individual—(Loud of the Government or their friends.
cheering)—but he much regretted to hear the Noble Lord Mr. LEFROY rose amidst loud cries of " Question, question."