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per annum.- lie,shoula also pre;ipps, that no more
than ne fourth of a yen,'. revenue should he de.
Manded 14 any year, and that the Bishop or Arch-
bishop should have the power, of cliyiding the pay-
inent of these first fruits among the first six years of
possession °Cu living. Having stated thus much, he
tnoved for leave to bring in.a Bill,
SirAitTHuiliraLt.ustsy objeded to the principle
of the Right on. Batonet's measure, because its
obioti appeared 'NI to take money Out 'ot the
pockets of theCtergy of Ireland, to suable the Board
otFirit Fruits to increase the Revenues of the lower
15.40,;-s. The taiperior ClergyWerenadeqpitieli fro-
Jar, but the inferior Clergy .Were not. Yet,
wider the present circumstancds of the Church of
Ireland, the Clergy, upon a preferment tii a 'bene-
fice, did sot receive any income from it for two
years, and were . obliged to give up the next two
x4ars,trepuetp satisfy the demands of their prede•
censors for the erection of. Glebe Houses. Some
, jt was true, paid no first traits, whilst others
.but the inequality was too inconsiderable to
trietit attention. Upon. these grounds he should
elo.:t to the:ad in.the first instance.
diSCussion ensued, in which Mr. Charles.
Wynne, Mr.c Hdrner, Mr. Q. Ponsonby, and Mr.
i. Yitzgerald, supported the Motion: and Mr.
COite.r,'Dodor Duigenari, and the Chancellor of the
kAehequer, opp(?sed it, on the ground that, though
ct!ey would support any propooition ,for the relief of
the inferior Clergy froni.any other Fund, they would
conseut to the imposition of ideli 'an oppressive
QAX, upon the Clergy in general for that purpose.
Sir JOIIN N,F;POIt't repeated and encored all his
former iirgumetits; there were no good reasons
agi:inst the principle of the Bill. The details may be
inodified in the Committee.

;, Tint jinusf.; divided on the question,
For the Moiic,)4 . . .
Against it

':PAAD.AIii.'I,LES.,gIR J. DUCKWORTH.
Colonel WOOD rose to otter to the House the
Nlotien the_snbjed of the Logbook of the Royal
(4eorge, < w idle .M the Dardanelles, which Motion
he liar!. deferred from a former night. The House
Thad. already its table the, libtrutStionsl of the
kannralty to Lord Cellingwood s and also the
firations of Lord Collingwood to Sir 'John Duck-
worth, direiting that-pot more than half an hour
should he consumed in-taegoeiating with the Porte.
Sir John Dilckworth, in. his letter of Gth March, al-
ledged, in excuse for his non-coMplianee with these
(.e-det s; the contrary state of the winds, Which' would
;.;otoptirmit him to 'come close to the City of Con-
gantmople. It was essentird tea just inveStigation
uf,the'causes of the failure of the 11;xpedition to have
fqll and particular evidence on all the fats bearing
tt2on it, and with this view he moved, that there be
hilt' before the House a Copy of the Journal or
hook:of the Royal George, Capt. Dunn (Sir J.
Dna wordl's from the 19th Feb. the day
:the entered the Dardanelles, to the 22d Feb. bath
•

Adtliiral HERVEY bad communicated the 80-.
otimce of this Motion to Sir John Duckworth) who,
the manliness that always distinguishes him,
vas Only anxious that the ti llest light should be
kinilvdn on his enric:4 in the case in question, ag,in
every other instance. Rethought it due,' however,
tato,pteritorions.an,Offreer, to *tato particularly:the.
nature of any charges that it. may be in the Hon.
WitA'cr's .contemplation 'to bring forward against
him, in order thachis friends may be properly pre,
lured to meet therm • -• •
Worm had hot, '•irt the first instance, any
objet but the elucidation of an important part of a
very. important sttbje 'neit her did he allow n
xight-in any one to call on him to come forward as a
:public accuser : yet tie would Vow that
,his,persua-.
bitli; was, that it would appear.lrom the log, if pro-
that Sir John Duckworth might, by proper
41i.ipositions, have come near enough to Constant'.
.4.topie to execute the orders of Lord Colliugwood.
the Von. Gond as, read and compared the
it.oteot.Sif Diickworili and the Subst duce of
ot. the ticulgu, OS he understood it to
. ard.wd, th:it by steering' certain (ionises dif-
t,44...01.tt0m those he had steered, Sir John
rui ;id have conic close up to Constantinople
tt dal:Lavin Clines during the stay of his Squadron in
tee Diudaoulics. '

LitinvEY, in explanation, expressed the
yr, Att•st 're.:ictiitt:s4 to give facility to the examination
Of the charge pagetred, which was iu subltanee,
that lie had not, muter all the cireumstanees; made
tote son of attilek he 'ought to have tnade, He bad
11,) L:ouut but the gatiant Admital, would be iound
nen,e done bib duty to the wood on that as on

cxtviy her occasion,
expressed great unwillingness to haws
thew Papers laid before the House. 'Though he did
tiJi doubt that those who proposed such investiga-
liana -wi.re actuated always by patriotic motives, lse
did not (lank it right to• institute inquiries into the
conduct of Natal and Military Commanders in that
Notthe in the first instatice. 11 there was ground
it charge of licgleet of duty itt any case, the
proper emirs( was to•represent the matter to the Ad- I
to.ruity i and if the charge appeared founded, it
u. ietict oe brought to trial before the proper trihn-
rol, a C.,,oitit Martial. Ho-expressed it high ref.in.,4
tor Sit J. lloclworth's character, vvithont having the
hdtiotir him, and declared his intention to
Like ii,e seise of the House on the Motion, if it
soohld be pursisted.in,.
WUOL) explained, and vindicated his right,
;Member of Parliament, to bring this iresiion
before the House. He had, in duittgo, proceeded
the fairest and most candid tnantio, commune-
hits ititentitAlli to the Admiralty and to 4ir
~f; Duckworth', friends.
Mu. Sccretary CANNING, for himself and his sol.
dedarcti, that his \Ltjesty's ,Vit.istils had
pu in te".,peCt to i,ll tnittlerS rclot.ng to the yos,
pedition to the Dardanelles, hot that those who were
piritcGtlatly concerned in the plau.iitt or execution
of Unit Expeitition should hove the oppo/tilotty ,if
t:ll‘ing diet course which 11,e public interest' or their
'chaiiictera should hecto to them to require.—
Thus the 'Mass of Pa .Teri H hitch .v,y4,ltow ill the
on the genoptl ,(...iihjett of the
w,te produced by . the tlesite, of his Majesty's G 0....
v'crintient•i. but twcause one (2,3entletwili thought
st‘P.l)c. bf,thetti necesiary to judge el tilt. groujuls :1,01
Expedition, and nec:.iiise the late;
Ministers thou lit the remainder necessary tor the.
iilitdicatlon-of their "ehtultiet in fcbrcct ter it, Tho
s,taptl (.1;a1:

the imputation of checking infinity, and ,of casting
prejudice upon the cause of their predecessors. b►s
was the motive by which they were influenced in
the present case. Also, they first thought it right
to beg a delay of the Motion till the Hon.
should- be made acquainted with the nature of it ;
and finding no obje&ion 4n his part, but a claim of
right to the produaion of such further information
as may be necessary' to vindicate him front any
charge that may be brought, they could:on their
own part have .no difficulty. But he' must own,
from what he heard of the nature of the charges
now for the first time stated by the Han. Movtor, he
thought it dueto the gallant officer, who had done
so much service to the Country, not to allow him to
be implicated by entertaining them, when they may
be brought to the test by a more competent tribu.
nal, if at all fpunded.
Mr. WINbiIANI declared that the late Ministers
had no idea of throwing the slightest.part of the
biome of the failure of the Expedition on Sir J.
Duckworth, and that they wished it to be judged of
solely on its own merits.
Mr. R. WABD said, that the Lords of the Admi-
ralty saw no ground whatever to cast any imputa-
tion on the condo& of Sir John Duckworth, nor had
they the slightest intention of bringing any charge_
against him.
Mr. PONSCINBY professed his intention of with-
drawing from the vote, if the question was "pressed
to a division. He neither wished to eonatenance
a charge against Sir .1. Duckworth, by voting for
the. Motion, nor to seem to decline the fullest in-
vestigation of the Dardanelles Expedition by voting
against it.
Colonel WOOD proposed to withdraw his Motion.
Mr. WHITERbAD thought it was the right of a
Member of Parliament to bring before the House
any thing.that.in his opinion claimed his attention.
He had intended to objeft to the withdrawing of
the Motion, but he would not persist in that inten-
tion. The Motion was withdrawn.

On the Motion of Mr. DUNDAS, a Committee
was appointed to inspeCt the Lords' Journals, for the
result of certain inquiries respeEting the jurisdielion
of the Court of Session in Scotland, and the num-
ber of Appeals. from that Court to the House of
Lords. The object was to elucidate the subject of
the Scotch Judicature Bill, the ,second reading of
which was deferred from Wednesday till Friday, at
the desire of Sir J, ANSTRUTHER.
Sir ARTHUR WI;I.LESLEY moved for 'leave to
bring in a Bill for the better regulation of the Vo-
luntee, ing from. the Irish Militia into the Line, by
enabling the Colonels of Militia to fix for their• re-
speaive Regiments a certain time, of three days, in
which the volunteering should take place, and also
to regulate the mode in which the recruiting parties
should take the men.

Mr. FITZGERA Lb. complained of this permanent
system of annual volunteering from the Militia, and
the, burthen that was entailed by it on Ireland, by
means of a very ill-regulated ballot to supply the de-
ficiencies.

After some further conversation, in which Mr.
FITZGERALD and Sir ltonEnT• WILLIAMS spoke
against the principle, and Sir A. WELLESLEY ex-
plained and defended the conduß of the Irish Go-
vernment, leave was given to bring in the Bill
which was accordingly brought in and read a first
time. On the question for the second reading, Mr.
FITZGE►tALD renewed his objcaious to the prati ice of
hallotting. in Ireland, when the regiments may be
easily .filled up with volunteers. The mode ot•' Wl-
lotting wa.L also very oppressive. He Wished the
Bill not to be hurried.' ,

Sir A. WELLESLEY wished at present only to
fill. up the blanks that the measure may be better
understood. Every lacility had been g ven to fill
up the deficiencies in the Irish Militia, by volun:
teering.
Mr., W. PONSONDY spoke to the same circa es.
Mr. FITZGERALD. , ,

Sir J. ;11;Vbf YojtT complained of the impropriety
Of -6:-,llorting at all io li thud, 1.1 lien tutu couid
had as volunteers. It vvas art extreme toir4:lship to
k.ialiot by I iits wade out in
.1783, many persons tt►en
of, military age tiring beyond that nuw, and many
were then tar lion► b,►tcit►g attained it. • •

Sir hrtz•uurt WELLESLEY 'allowed he had spoken
of hts intention to bring in a Bid for the better re-
gulation of the ballot in Ireland, but, be plan was
nut yet Matured.
.fitter a few words from• Mr.' Wrivennm, the Bill
was ordered to be read a second time cu-morrow,
and, to be printed.
Mr.. Wuarcrobr brought up the Report of the
Committee on the Duties on Copper. The Retro-
lUiions were agreed to, and • a Bill ordered accord-
ingly.
• 1 Ma, PALMER.

Mr. Wil.kitToN brought up the Report of the
Corntnittee on Mr. Kilmer's Petition ; it was read
a first time. On the Motion for the second
reading, •
Mr. BANKS& could not satisfy himself that be dis-
charged his public duty. without declaring that, in
his opinion, this was one of the most extinerdimnr
and unjustifiable demands upon the public purse that
had ee,r ben made. He hoped 'that the House,
recovelititi train the surprise which Mid occasioned
their votis on a
.late evening, would refuse to con-
firm that vote without a fall investiptiun of the sub-
jeit. He hoped also, that this occurrence would
presto a lesson to his Right Honourable Friend, and
. his successors, and that they would not lightly allow
such applications to be made in future to Parliament
under the sanction of the recommendation of the
Crown. He contended that the Report of the Com.
mittee was evidently inijuenced by motives of private
feeling, and that it was contradided, not only by the
former Report on the same subject, but alsh by the
declaration of an Honourable Gentleman opposite,
as Well as by the Condud of Mr. Pitr, than whotu
no man was more tenacious of his word, or more
abhorrent of any thing. like illiberality or injustice.
Toe attempt made by the Petitioner,, to separate the
saihy from the per centage was groundless, .1.16
was convinced chat there had been no bargain by
which the House was dOpli%cl4 9f its discretion.
Atiter.haviiig argued at considerable length iv 4 spl4.
port of his opinions, cond,ided by expre'ising his
hope Herat the House would resist this,.extray.igant
and utifounded dttnand..

Mr. Wapi.untot was persuaded that after the
port of Ow tjoinunttee, and the deeiNtuu of the other
night, I
.lionourauie Viiend must brake ogt a touch
stronger case than 1410 lwd dope, holOre, he could in-
deco the I-lose to zeertie it judgment given runt

from party bias, but on a due consideration of the'
merits of the case. He entered into a detailed ex-
amination of the 'question, and maintained, that in
every o,int of viuw Mr. Palmer was entitled to re-
ceive that which he claimed frotu the justice, not
from the liberality of the country.
Mr. FULLER declared his intention to go further
than, be had done on Thursday, and to vote to Mr.
Palmer the whole of the sum which he demanded.

Mr. Rosa-was of-opinion; that' this waS the Most
exceptionable demand he ever knew. If the House
agreed to the Report, they would reward a Public
(Officer for great and manifold misconflue: In the
year 1799, the question had been decided against
Mr. Palmer by a majority Of 112 to *8; but now,
without any additional evidence oa the subjed, the;
House were called upon to' do that which would
shake their honour and' charader- more than. any
. thing within his recolle&ion.
Mr. WORTLEY, while-he admitted that a bargain
had been made with Mr:Paltner, could not separate
in his consideration -of the case the per centage from
the salary. If the present was a question of right,
Mr. Palmer had none ; if it was a question" of libera-
lity, the sum proposed to 'be voted was too consi-
derable. .

Sir T. ToaToN contended, that the vote of the
House on a recent evening bore on its front the cha-
ra6er of honesty and virtue. He defended the con-
duit of the Committee (of which he was a mem-
ber) from the imputation of partiality which had
been cast upon it, hoping that the Reports of that
Committee in whose Chair the Hon. Gentleman
by whom the imputation had been thrown out, sat,
would be as satisfaftory. So tiir from any surprise
having'been attempted, six weeks notice had been
given of the motion. He called upon the House„ by
every principle of common honesty, to confirm their
vote of the other night, and to set a precedent, that
an injured individual might obtain redress from. a
British House of Commons in-doors, if lie failed in
obtaining it from a Minister out of doors.
Mr. Loo opposed Mr. Paltner's elaiin, and stated
that :in his examination. before the Committee, be
had declared that the assertions of Mr. Palmer were
inconsistent' and contradictory. The spirit of the
agreement that had been entered into with Mr. Pal-
mer, was, that ho should.improve the • revenue by
using every exertion to carry his own plan into
eifeet. This compad he had violated; for this via-
lation be. was dismissed from office, and hence he
concluded that he bad forfeited all right to
_fur-
ther emolument.

Lord MILTON, remarked on the inconsistency of
the Gentlemen opposite, who after allowing that a
bargain had been concluded with Mr. Palmer, flew
,off into a declamation on the mode of his tondua-
ing himself in office; which although. he blamed it
as much as any. man could had no sort of bearing
on his right to the fruits of Mr. Pahner's prior and
positive agreement.
Mr. S. BOURNS -could not see -the-ground on
which the House were called 'upon to, reverse the
decision of 179 p. The Report of the Committee.
contained merely their opiniwon the :subjea, un-
supported by any evidence
.whiteVer. He adverted
to the causes which led to the necessary dismissal of
Mr. Palmer from office, and.hinted at the ineonsist-'
ency of Mr. Wiudham in respect to his present and
former conduCt on this question.
Sir Fa st4Cts BURDETT was strongly confirmed in
the opinion which le.. had recently given upon this
claim.. The Hon. Gentlemen opposite perpetually
shifted their ground. First it was a bargain, then it
was no bargain. What were the benefits that the
.pnblic had derived ? He contended that they were
considerable, and that the individual by whom
thLy were suggested had the most unquestionable
right to the remuneration for which
.he had stipu-
lated.
Mr. HoLioin 'defended Mr. Pitt's bargain, and
contended that if that great man had felt it to be im-
provident, he never would have shrunk from ac-
knoe !edging it.
• Mr...MaultYoT could not see any reason for chang
ing the opinion which be had formerly expressed
respecting Mr. Palmer's claims, not at least without
the production of further documents and proofs in
maintenance of these claims.
Mr. SUMNER did not think the House could far-
ther proceed in the • business, consistently with its
honour, without further evidence being produced,
on which to ground its ultimate decision. Under
that impression he would move that the present de-
bate be adjourned till 'cu-morrow se'nnight.
On this amendment the House divided,
ayes . 87
Noes 137
Majority for Mr. Palmer

After strangers.were re-admitted into the Gallery,
We found that some discussion had taken place on
.the clause for referring to, or requiring the Treasury
Accounts from the Post-Office, respecting. Mr. Pal-
mer's business, and that the Resolution was agreed
to without a division, _ _ _

Tile further proceedings on this question was,
however, after some conversation, deferred till Wed-
nesday next, in The Committee of Supply.
The Carnatic Question is understood to stand for
to-morrow; but Mr. PONSONBY wished 'to ascertain
whether it was probable the business of the Local
Militia could possibly be brought into discussion on
the same slay. •
The SECUETABY at WAR did not see the impossi-
bility of getting through both businesses on the same
day. Should, however,' the discussion on the Car-
natic Question be protrgled beyond what he ex,-
peaed, he should have no objection to defer-the
Local Militia business till Wednesday.

These points being, after some dit&ulty, adjusted,
the other (*clerked the Day were divosed qt, and
;he Howse'adjourned at two eidocit.

THE Epl:TO# OF IRE WN,

MR. EDITOR,
An innovation has for some time crept into the
Vniical World, whiFli' is accompanied by an absur-
dity that is not unworthy of notice. It has lately
been the practice '45.f 'several Composers to hal monize
ballads that in their original state were powerfully
recommended to, *the feelings .by 'simplicity in the
sentiments and in the music. Whatever these songs
1.4 a gain in vs,,mt of science, by the new praelice,
tbey.tizore than eqUally lose in their etfea upon tl,e
heart ; to hay tiotklng of the bad taste of thoie who
cid,nroy the charm. Of simplicity by c:htiriging the ori-
compositico, 111:1$ ucriticed at

the shrine of Science. But. the most ridiculys cir-
cumstance attending these fantrestic changes,rs, the
identity of the words, notwithstanding the re*lion
in the music. While an individual was warbling " Uh
.Nixny, wilt thou gang with me," or " Itluen,4rst yok
coated me, 1 own," the auditor was disposed to 4ym-
pathize in the sentiments ; but w hen we hearfour or
five persons, in turn, uttering the very same words, all
sympathy must be lost in the sense of the absurdity.
If, therefore, Mr. "Editor, the rage lot harmonizing
those simple balladi, which have long been admired.
for their native pathos, should continue, it would be
proper for the Musical Improvers to take a few Poets
into their service, in order..to supply Other words,
by which means consistency would be obsefved, and
some unfortunate Sons of the Moses at leait might
benefit by this fantastic innovation.
aVord,Collee-house„ . CRITO..

• MAILS.
Dublin. Du t--1 Cottenburgb, r Dublin,
z Waterford.

THE SUN.

VIE DICARIL FALat.l3.4

''LONDOIV,
TunipAY, NAY 17, 1808.

The following Letter from the Master of an Ame.
rican Vessel arrived from Cadiz, was this morning
received at Lloyd's :
" I received a Note, by a Boat, after I left Ca-
diz, that there was an order in the town to detain all
Americans in that Port. On the passage I saw a
Ship bound to New York, from London, the Mas-
ter's name HOWARD, in company with a Privateer
which she had captured and was conveying her for
Bayonne."

MEM.—The 'Science, riowAtiv, from London to
New York, sailed from Cowes the lgth ult. .•

' ' lifirarbir Frlg2ffe latert drehe some of the
Enmy's small craft under the batteries of Cu%*
haven, which were immediately opened upon the
Frigate. The batteries were silenced after an en-
gagetnent of some duration, and the town received,
considerable damage. We are sorry, however, to
add, that a Lieutenant and four men were killed on
board the Frigate, and several wounded.

IT was yesterday reported that all the differences
between this Country and America had been ad-
justed by Mr. CANNING and Mr. PINCKNEY. We
should be happy to confirm this account; but we are
inclined to believe that it is unfounded.

PalvtTa Letters from Holland have been received
In Town, which give some interesting put icnlstrs re-
lating to what. passod at flourdeaux daring the time
that BUONAPARTZ remained at that place, on.his
recent journey to Bayonne. The Members of the
Chamber of Commerce solicited an audience, which
he granted, and be listened with attention to the me-
lancholy account which they Submitted to him re'
speaing the lamentable state of the trade. at-thgt
place. He professed to feel very much for the
losses they had suffered, but could not give them any
hope that Peace was likely to be restored. But by wnY
of leisening the evil to the Proprietors of ;the
yards, he offered them a Loan of i0,0(10,0u0 lirreip
for five years, without interest, suggesting that they
might give proper security to Government, by lour
ing an adequate quantity of wine in the State depbtr,
for sole. He encouraged them to einbitri: in the
Privateer service, and ()tiered himself to take 11 thfiPt
in every Letter of Marque. He signified that he
should assent to no pacific terms that did not promise
a -lasting peace; but he endeavoured to comforl
them with an assurance, that when the evils of wiz,
were at an end, they would have a full compensr
tion for all their present distresses, in the new WO
of commercial advantages which would be opened ID
theM in South America. Hence, it bus been re'
sonably inferred, that, in the Secret Articles of the
Treaty with Spain, he has exaCited very important
concessions of territory from the passive lastrnatat
whom he hos thought proper to set upon thnThrone
of that Country.

Yesterday morning His MAJESTY, Princesses Ati•
(MITA, SOPHIA, and AItE4IA, accompanied by Lady
BULKBLRY, Count MUNSTIR, Hon. Mr. BIILSI
LEY, Generals FITZROY and GWYNNI, and Colonel
TAyLoa, rode in ttie Great Park, and returned et
twelve.
'Jibe Quint; and Princess ELIZABETH took snail'.
in g in Her Majest' iihaetott to Princess Et.12,1'
sIIETH'S cottage, at Old Windsor, and returned at

one.
1-10.14Asu5rY is expe6led in town to-morrow, t 0
hold a private Levee and Privy Council at the Queen i
Palace.
Bye Gentleman who reached town on Sattirdal,
from Bourdeaux, we have been favoured with the
following anecdote Lady of Gen. Moue/0
arrived in ant city from America', inDemnber Jolt'
No sooner had hit: set her foot 'miler...WV ive.-tbctre'
flan the servile municipality put her under arrest"'
This conduti proved, as these Gentleonen had oilov
fated, perfectly agreeable, to Buotukt. ART• Es!
medistely confirmed the arrest. -His recent visit
Bourdeaux was'cunsidereda le-ourable opportunitYi'
txy 1119 4.litly, for lotreati heng her release. S aci'L'
ingly requested an interview, bet in vain. His "7-
Rerial .Majesty was inexOrahle., at she recil;us
confinement. who irti-

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