The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-26 00:00:00

POSTAGE.

Mr. R. FERGUSON presented a petition from
Kirkaldy, praying for a uniform rate of postage.
Mr. LOCH also presented a petition from Dingwall,
in favour of a uniform rate of postage.
Mr. GROTE moved for returns of the quantity of
Tobacco manufactured last year, and exported.—Or-
dered.

Sir JAMES GRAHAM preseuted a petition from
G!asgow, praying for an extension of the Church of
Scotland.

SALE OF BEER

Mr. PA KINGTON postponed the Committee on
the Sale of Beer Bill from Wednesday, the 24th of
Anti], to 'Wednesday, the 28th of May.
'Tile ATTORNEY-GENERAL presented a peti-

tion from the owners and proprietors of steam vLssels,
of tha city of Edinburgh against any tax being im-
posed on steam-vessels.
Mr. PEASE presented a petition from Belfast pray-
ing for a repeal of the Stage Coach Act.
Sir GEORGE SINCLAIR presented a petition
from Argyll praying for the extension of the Church of
Scotland.

Lord ASHLEY presented a petition from Trow-
bridge praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws.
Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition praying for a
repeal of the Cern-laws, and a petition in favour of Mr.
Hill's plan of Postage.
THE MINISTRY.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that as it was of very
grcat importance to the country generally to be ac-
quainted with the intentions of the Noble Lord, he
would beg leave to ask the Noble Lord on what day
he meant to bring forward the motion of which he had
given notice the other day.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he considered it de-
sirable that the motion should be brought forward as
early as possible after the holidays, and therefore he
gave notice that he should bring it forward on Thurs-
day, the 11th April.
BONDED CORN.
Mr. BAINES moved for a return of the quantity of
bonded corn which had been abandoned by the owners,
between the time of the passing of the Act 9 Geo. IV.
and the end of the
year 183 S, specifying the total quasi
tity abandoned, and the manner in which it had been dis-
posed of. He also moved for leave to bring in a Bill
for the better regulation of Metropolitan Sewers.
ECCLESIASTICAL REVENUES.
Mr. MACKINNON gave notice of certain amend-
ments which he should move on the seventh section of
the Ecclesiastical Revenues Bill.
IRISH RAILWAYS.
Col. PERCEVAL gave notice that he should move
as an amendment to the Irish Railway Bill, " that it is not
expedient for the Government to undertake the con-
struction
of Railways in Ireland, and that the aid
afforded by the Government should be afforded gene-
rally, in the shape of pecuniary aid, granted on proper
security."
ECCLESIASTICAL APPOINTMENTS
SUSPENSION BILL,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL in moving the Order of
the Day for the House going into Committee on this
relation
t indulgence
Bill said that as an attack had been made on a near 1
ionof his
the House
unnecessarily,
he proceeded
theelstate
the real facts of the case. It had been stated that th

object of the clause which he was nr,w
.going to intro-
duce was to enable his relation to fill the Deanery of
Exeter, which he would not otherwise be able to fill.
Now certainly any one who made that statement must
have made it not having read the clause, because the
object of the clause was, that the Bill now
in operation should not prevent any Canon
or I'rebendary being appointed to any such office
which should become vacant by reason of
the vacancy in any Deanery. It was found by an un-
intentional mistake that there was not the power of
filling up Prebends in this case, where it had been usual
for the Crown to appoint the Dean. With respect to
any case which might arise, it was thought fit
the omission should be remedied. It certainly was
stated to him by some members of the Church Commis-
sion that it would be fit, as the mistake was uninten-

Corm], the clause should apply to any vacancy which
now existed, as well as to any which might hereafter
exist ; and he thought it far better there should be no
suspicion of having interfered with the operation
of the law now in force, and therefore he declined
making it apply to any vacancy now'existing, and pro-
posed to apply it to any which might hereafter exist.
He might likewise be allowed to state that, in recom-
mending the Bill to the favour of the Crown through the
Prime Minister he knew he was recommending a person
who was an ornament to the Cburch.—(Hear, hear)—
and he knew, likewise, that in asking that this particular
Deanery of Exeter should be conferred upon him that in
case it should be found by the joint opinion of the law
officers of the Crown, and Sir William Follett, that the
Crown could not app'int, it would be no disappoint-
ment to his relation, who, on a former occasion, finding he
could not conscientiously perform the duties of two pa-
rishes, surrendered allying of 1,2001. a year, that he might
be able to devote his time and care to the other parish.
Under these circumstances he trusted that neither he
nor his Noble Relative, Lord Wriothesley Russell,
would be subject to any imputation for the part they
had acted in the matter.

Mr. V. HARCOURT said it was a well ascer-

tamed fact that the Dean of Exeter was actually also
a Prebend of the same Cathedral. He had not the ho-
nour of an acquaintance with Lord W. Russell, but he
fully believed that he was entitled to all the encomiums
which had been passed upon him. He understood that the
Prebends were in the gift of the Bishop of Exeter,
and there might be some delicacy upon the point. If
the Noble Lord was pro,vented from making the Bill re-
trospective in consequence of his relationship with Lord
W. Russell, as it, in his opinion, would meet the justice
of the peculiar case, he would have much pleasure in
moving the clause.

Lord ASHLEY added his testimony to the high
qualities of the Noble and Rev. Dean of Exeter.—
(Hear, hear.)
The House then went into Committee, and a clause
to the effect stated was brought up and added to the
Bill. The House then resumed.
SUPPLY.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Order of the
Day for the House going into Committee of Supply.
Mr. ATTWOOD rose to bring forward the Amend-
ment of which he had given notice.
Captain BOLDERO said that he had a notice on
the books which he believed had precedence of that of
the Hon. Member for Birmingham.
Mr. ATTWOOD—I stand for this night. That
was my agreement, and I mean to have a division.—
(Laughter.)
Captain BOLDER() said his notice had been given
on the I4th of March.
Mr. ATTWOOD complained of the interruption of
the Hon. and Gallant Member.
Captain BOLDERO assured the Hon. Mem-
ber that he had no intention to interrupt him ; he
merely stood upon his own right. Owing to some
mistake, his name did not appear in the minutes
of the proceedings of the House, although on
the 14th of March he had given notice that
on the question that the Speaker do leave the
Chair on going into a Committee of Supply on the
Navy Estimates, he should move an Address to her
Majesty for a copy of any order for the supply of great-
coats to the Royal Marines.
Mr. T. ATTWOOD felt bound to persist in his
motion.
The SPEAKER thought the Gallant Officer entitled
to precedence, as his notice of motion had been first
given.
Mr. T. ATTWOOD would put it to the Gallant
Officer, as a gentleman and a soldier, whether a
question of great-coats—(Laughter)—should be put in
opposition to one of vital importance ?—(Hear, hear )
Captain BOLDER() felt bound to insist upon his
right to make his motion, the object of which was to
ascertain what order had been issued relative to stop-
ping'the pay of soldiers for the purpose of paying for
their great-coats. In 1805, an Order in Council was is-
sued, stating that all Marines serving on shore or doing
garrison duty, were entitled to greateeoats. That order had
never been rescinded, and he would ask whether men at
sea did not require great-coats, as much as those at home?
Justice had on Friday last been done to Captain Napier,
a distinguished officer, whose pension—merited both for
his professional services and for his talented writings—
had been taken away when he went to sea. He (Capt. B.)
hoped that on this occasion justice would be done to
that gallant corps whose interests he was defending—_
a corps_who bad nef crilinched-from the greatest danger,
and even when ordered, for the suppression of mutiny,
to turn their arms against their fellow-countrymen and
companions, had never shrunk from that painful duty
which a stern sense of discipline rendered imperative=
yet they were placed in some respects upon a worse
footing than the seamen themselves. The order which
he complained of was not the fault of the present
Admiralty—it had existed, at least in practice, for some
time, though, in fact, it was no order—it was a dead
letter. It was due to the high character of the Marine
corps, and for their long-tried services, under circum-
stances of the greatest difficulty and danger, that the
Admiralty should look into the subject, and see that
justice was done. The Gallant Captain concluded by
moving for a copy of the order, directing the Marines
to provide themselves with great-coats.
The question having been put,
Mr. C. WOOD said the Gallant Officer had given
one very good reason for not acceding to the motion, by
saying there was no such order in existence.—( Hear,
hear.) It had been the invariable practice ever since
the Marine corps was instituted, that they should
find their own great-coats, and any orders
which might be quoted, were exceptions to the
general rule. If the House interfered in all these very
minute details, the uniformity which they would be at-
tempting to establish would be at least as unjust as
the present practice could possibly be. Probably the
reason why great-coats were not found for the Ma! hie
corps was that seamen had invariably found the whole
of their own clothing out of their own pay.—(Hear.)
Sir THOMAS TROWBRIDGE said the inva-
riable practice was to furnish a man with one great-coat
on entering the Marine corps, because not having
any pay lue, they could hardly be expected to
provide themselves with the article, but after being two
or three years in the corps they were expected to find
their great-coats, which were furnished at very re-
duced prices. No complaint had ever been made on
this subject, and he did not see any just ground of com-
plaint, particularly as there were innumerable candidates,
both officers and men, for admission into the corps.
He could assure Hon. Gentlemen that when complaints
of a description like the present were brought forward
they were looked to with as favourable an eye as
possible. The Government had no object in view but
the comfort of the men. He thought, upon further con-
sideration, it would he found there was no cause of com-
plaint:
Captain BOLDERO. in explanation, stated that all
the Marines on garrison duty were furnished with great-
coats.

Mr. HUME thought Marines ought not to pay for
great-coats when the infantry did not. He considered
th it tho Admiralty ought to institute some inquiry
upon the subject, for tho purpose of preventing dissatis-
faction.

Lord HO WICK considered that the advantages of
the Marine service were far greater than those of the
Infantry or the line ; for instance, the Marines were a
greater part of their time at sea, and a smaller stoppage
was made. for their rations. If any one danger
was greater than another, it was that of encouraging
bodies of armed men to make applications to that
House—(Hear, bear)—and he could not give his
sanction to the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Mem-
ber opposite.
Sir H. HARDINGE said the sentiments which the
Noble Lord had expressed, were those which he had
entertained and stated in that House for many years pit.
He thought the armvand navyas regarded theirpromotions
and interests ought to look to the Crown, and not to
Parliament.—(Hear.) He wished the army to be the
army of the Crown, and not the army of Parliament.
If it came to a vote on principle he must vote against
his Hon. Friend, but he hoped it would not come to a
vote. If they conceded the claims of the officers he
did not see how they could refuse to concede to the
claims of the men. With regard to the great coats he
would take the case of the Marines in Spain, who
for the last three years had been acting as regular
soldiers, and it was known that the expenses of soldiers
increased in proportion to the extent of the services
performed, and as under many circumstances the Ma-
rines endured the same hardships as the soldiers en
shore, he thought in those cases the Government ought
to give them their great coats. As a question of jus-
tice he hoped this system would be adopted, though he
did not see how the two services could be exactly assi-
milated. He would recommend his Hon. Friend to
withdraw his motion.

Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON protested
against the doctrine that had been laid down, that the
Army or the Navy were not to apply to that House.
He had frequently applied to that House for redress of
the grievances of the Service, and he should not be de-
terred by anything which had be said.
Captain BOLDERO said if the Hon. Gentleman
opposite would take the subject fully into his considera-
tion he would withdraw his motion.
Mr. C. WOOD was quite sure that his Hon.

Friends around him would. give every attention to
subject, but be must guard himself against admitting
this to be grievance, or that it was that which they
ought to adopt as an example to be followed.
Sir CHARLES ADAM said in this free country
there were always the means of getting inquiry,
whoa a proper case presented itself for it, but he could
not admit that in the present instance the Gallant Offi-
cer bad made out even a prima facie case for inquiry.
In this instance, however, as in every instance where
there was a complaint, every due attention should be
paid.

Mr. WA KLEY sincerely thanked the Gallant Cap-
tain opposite for bringing forward this motion before the
House, and protested against the language used when
complaints of this kind were brought forward. The
Gallant General opposite thought this should be left
to the Crown, and supposing the Crown to decide un-
justly or tyrannically, then there could be an inquiry.
It was easy to talk about an inquiry, but how were
ievanees to be redressed ?—(Hear, hear.) He heard
almost every day of his life of the injustice perpetrated
with reference to the officers in the navy and army.
Their complaints were frequently brought forward, but
he had never seen an instance in which those who brought

them forward had obtained redress. Whenever a com-
plaint of that nature was brought forward, the ins and
the outs, whoever they were, stuck fast together and
redress was out of the question.—(Hear.) The Noble
Lord below him was noW probably just going
out of office, and the Gallant Officer opposite was pro-
bably just coming in.--(Hear.) Yes, he hoped it was
so, because he wished to see frequent changes in the
Government of this country.—(Hear.) It was his de-
sire to keep the two factions constantly before the
public.—(Hear, and laughter.) Many people did not
look into history, and therefore the iniquities of the
Tories ten or twelve years ago were entirely forgotten.
The Whigs were in the mouths of every one, and there
was nothing but one universal feeling of disapprobation
expressed against them.—(Hear, and laughter.) Ex-
cept in this House, and by themselves, nothing was to
be heard favourable of them.—(Cheers.) If complaints
like the present were to pass unheeded, which he pro-
tested against in voting away the public money, the
better way would be to do away with the House of
Commons altogether, and leave every thing in the hands
of the Crown.—(Hear, hear.) He trusted the Gallant
Officer would carry his motion to a division.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL would not follow the Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down, into his address,
which related to the state of the parties in that House,
hut, if all the questions of this. description then before
the House that might arise, were to be brought forward
peacemeal, not only would the public service suffer, but
those persons who looked to the Crown to be rewarded
for their services, would be injured, and if this House
were to take to itself the-duties of the Crown, instead of
leaving them in the hands of the Crown, there could be
no doubt that a great deal more taxation would have to
be laid upon the country. As a general principle, he
did not think it fit that a question of this sort should be
considered by the House.
Sir H. HARDING objected to the principle of
these questions being brought before the House, and
he should vote against them when brought forward,
unless the Government had refused to redress them.
Sir H. VIVIAN though it extremely inconvenent
that these little discrepancies should thus be brought
before the House. The Marines had very many advan-
tages, and he believed them to be much more competent
to pay for their great coats than the soldiers of the line ;
still, when they were in actual service he thought they
should have the same a!lowan ces. In his opinion all these
questions were much better when left to be considered

by the Executive than to be discussed in that House.

Sir DE LACY EVANS, thought if there was to be
an attempt to render the Marines similar to the in-
fantry, care must be taken not to render them dissimilar
to sailors with whom they were more in the
_habit of
coming in contact.
Col. SAL WEY considered that it was but an act
of justice, to place the Marines on the same footing as
the infantry.
Capt. BOLDERO withdrew his motion for the
purpose of allowing the Hon. Member for Birmingham,
to bring forward his motion.
The motion was then withdrawn and upon,—
Mr. SPEAKER putting the question that he do
leave the Chair,
Mr. ATTWOOD rose and said he should not de-

tain the House'for any great length of time, but so long
as be held a seat in that House he meant to do his duty.
He was persuaded, and the House ought, to know it,
for he bad many times endeavoured to impress it on the
minds of Hon. Members, that the safety of this coun-
try was not properly protected in her foreign relations ;
and it was his duty this very night to bring forward an
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address to her Majesty on that subject. A few even.
inns ago he had the pain of hearing all his most distant
forebodings realised by the lion. Secretary of the Ad

miralty acknowledging that we were not in a state at pre-
sent to meet the Russian navy, and that the Russian fleet
might do much injury to the English shores. It would be
his duty to examine into the extent of the injury that
might thus be done and the probability of it. It was
acknowledged on all hands that the Russians had
twenty-eight line of battle ships in the port of e'en-
stadt, and it • was acknowledged that they ,wore not
PilltOut--proper masts, proper sails;- well manned and
well appointed. It was acknowledged that they were
fully equipped and well manned. They had no
English officer who had seen a Russian ship of war
within the last twelve Months would give a contempti-
ble character of it. Their crews were certainly not to
compare with British crews, or with American crews,
but still within the last twenty or forty years they were
greatly improved, and most of their officers bad been
educated in the English Service. The Russians last
year had also 800,000 soldiers encamped on the coast
of Poland ; and he would put that to the Whigs for
their consideration, not that he had any hope
of being able to draw blood from their stony
hearts. He would put it to the Tories,
though he did not think well of them.. He would put
it to his friends behind him, (i.e. the Radicals), of whom.
be thought worse than he even did of the Tories.--

( Hear, bear, and laughter.) He thought badly of the
Whigs—he thought badly of the Tories, and he thought
worse of the Radicals.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
God help him, but he thought upon the whole, though
bad was the best, the Tories were the best and the
least wicked of the three.— (Much laughter.) He
feared that both the Whigs and the Tories—he would
not say so of the Radicals, though he had his suspicions
of .them—had entered into a compact, a treasonable
compact, to keep down the British navy, in order that
they might in time introduce the Russian soldiers among
the humble Radicals of this country out of doors.—
( Hear, hear.) This might appear a very wild supposi-
tion.—(Re,newed cries of ",Hear, hear, hear.") He
acknowledged it was a wild supposition, but the
days in which we lived were wild days, and he had seen
very strange circumstances arise--(Cheers)—and
when he knew what the local condition of England
was—when he knew what the miseries of the English
pecfple were—when he knew how the prayers of the
masses were generally disregarded—and when .he knew
that the Whigs, Tories, and Radicals, had for years
and years, turned a deaf ear to the cries of the people,
he thought he might be allowed to state that there
might-possibly be treason in that House, but whether it
was treason or whether it was imbecility, it mattered
not to him, it was a state of circumstances that ought
not to be permitted to exist. He did not suspect the
integrity of the Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary to the
Admiralty, but he suspected his knowledge, and felt
convinced that for years treason or imbecility had go-
verned the- destinies of this empire. He would not
flitter the Tories, while he found fault with the
Whigs. The Tories had begun this career of shame in
16127, 1828, and 1829; the Whigs under Lord Grey had
carried it out in Poland, and now the Whigs under
Lord Melbourne, were carrying it out in every country
in the World. The Right Hon. Baronet opposite
knew these things as well as he (Mr. T. Attweod) did.
Oa the 6th of July, 1827, a treaty was, entered into be-
tween this country and Russia, by which Russia
pledged herself not to make war upon Turkey without
the consent of England. The Gallant Admiral on his

.eft at the time of-his executing that great and terrible

judgment at the battle of Navarino on the Turkish
fleet, had in his pocket orders from George Canning
to enter the Black Sea to protect Turkey against Rus-
sia.—(Laughter, and cries of " No.") He hoped the
Gallant Admiral would explain this, but he assured the
House that it was so ; at this time, most unfortunately,
George Canning died. The Right Honourable Ba-
ronet and the Duke of Wellington came into power,
and Sri Pulteney Malcolm was sent out to the Medi-
terranean with counter-orders, and, in consequence, the
Russian Emperor violated his contract with England,
and passed the Pruth, and in answer to our remon-
strances, the Emperor Nicholas explained, apologised,
and promised to confine the war to the Black Sea,
and the Right Hon. Baronet and the Duke of Wellington,
to whom no man felt a greater debt of gratitude
than he (Mr. T. Attwood) did, for his former achieve-
ments, pocketed this insult to England. In the autumn
of that year Marshal Diebitsch was defeated in his at
tempts to pass the Balkan. The Russian fleet sailed
from the Baltic, never called at a British port, but
swept through the British Channel in the most insulting
manner, and proceeded to the Mediterranean, .to
blockade the Dardanelles. The Right Hon. BArenq
and the Duke of Wellington again remonstrated, awl
received as an answer that the Russians were the
guardians of their own honour—that the Pacha of
Egypt was about to assist the Turks, and therefore it
was necessary to blockade the Dardanelles ; but that
British vessels clearing out for Constantinople before
20th Oct., 1828, should be permitted to enter. They
consented to this insult, which was enough to make
the blood of Englishmen boil. Had not the Gallant
Admiral, by the " untoward event" of Navarino, de-
stroyed the Turkish fleet, the Russians could not have
taken Varna, or advanced upon Adrianople. They
could never have passed the Balkan if the Turkish fleet
had not been destroyed. If at that period Turkey had ap-
plied to the Right Hon. Baronet for the loan of
a fleet, to replace that which had been destroyed by
the untoward event of Navarino, he did not think that

ITENWeir 1-411ITTTON,

the tight H n. Baronet, great as were his powers of
'logic, would have been enabled to find an ensw t
er e
;justify him in refusing that requee. In consequenc
o
Russia was enabled to advance to Adrianople, and
make a treaty with Turkey by which she acquired the
Delta of the Danube (to which she had no more rig.
than England had), Anapa, Circassia, and other vast
privileges. This was during the time the Tories were
in power, and at this very time Russia was under t
contract with England to take no gift from Turkey, and
yet she had taken this enormous gift. .Russia had net
right to receive Circassia, because she was under contract
with England not to receive any gift. and Turkey,
bad no right to give it, because she never bad
possession of it. Next to the Dardanelles, Circassia was
the most important military post in Europe, and the
Tories compelled the ,people of this country to this
deep:and burning degradation. He next came to .the
treaty of " Unkiar Skelessi." The Whigs were i°
power at that time. This treaty was even more dis-
graceful than the preceding one, it suffered the Darda-
nelles, the most important military post in Europe, the
object for years .of Russian ambition—it suffered the
Dardanelles virtually to be delivered into the hands or
Russia ; Russia had not yet taken possession, but he
would show the House how she would put herself into
possession, unless the House awoke to a sense of the
importance of the subject. Russia had twenty-eight
line of battle ships at Cronstadt, and twelve at Seleast°-
pol. The ships at Crunstadt would not be used to at-
tack England, but in the summer the Russian fleet
would pass into the Mediterranean, to the front
of the
Dardanelles, where they would find eleven English line
o!- battle ships. He doubted not that the Engli3,ll
fleet would do their duty, but it was the duty of,
ibis House not to expose them to such a fearful collision.
Suppose the blockade of the Dardanelles had taken
place, and the English fleet had moved away, tae
Black sea fleet would occupy Constantinople as s°l
as it pleased. The superiority of the English fleet
was all that prevented it, and when that was taken
away the Russians would get possession of Constants'
nople and the Dardanelles, and we could only dislodge
them by an immense sacrifice of blood and treasure.
which he had no doubt the Hon. Member for Kilken°Y
would say they could not afford.--(Hear, hear, frog'
Mr. Flume.) The glory of the nation was not to lie
measured in pounds, shillings, and pence. The Bib
Hon. Baronet opposite would commit no error of that
kind. He would agree with him that there was 11°
sacrifice which England aught not to make to prove'
this consummation. The great Lord Chatham I'2'l
1 said no sacrifice was too great to make to prevent
Russia from having a single village on the shores of the
Black sea, and now she was in possession of OdessaAnapa, soff—in fact the Black Sea had become..
Russian lake, and we had made no effort to prevent
There (right now to be no party quarrels, all low and
party feelings ought to be sunk in one sense of coral%
danger. The Tories viewed the aggression of Russi3
Poland without remonstrance—or if they remonstrate,
at all from 1815 to 1830, it was the remonstrance
a coward. England permitted the constitution
.°
Poland to be smashed and annihilated. But the Whigs
since that time had been quite as much too Waive
as the Tories. By lifting a finger in 1831 they
might have saved Poland. But the Whig Govertrs
meat, like the French, talked fine things. l'et/„f
Philippe and Lord Grey threw dust in the eyes
Poland, and then betrayed her. But Pell';
would rise again, if England should once more arise t°
her power of war. But the Whigs had been as tree
cherous to their native country, as to Poland. „,,.,
betrayed England also to Russia—the Vixen was still,4a
crying out. Our national honour had become degraulo,
in the eyes of foreign powers, by the conduct of r
Whig Government. He could assure them that neitheb
Tories, nor Whigs, nor Radicals—no matter wb,ief,
party should be in power—would ever satl,,sfe
the people of England, unless this country sb°"„r.
be not only prosperous at home, but also hone-na
ed abroad. Now our Government was h,fibie
to ask what. Russia meant to do with her formal
fleet. Russia, to be sure, or any other nation, babo,
right to equip a fleet for aggression or defence, in
„.° nal
ever quarter it might be needed—but still we "°;1
know for what. The fact was, Russia had lesrld
black mail upon England for seven years and more, is
she would ; unless the people of England should at
interfere. The Poles were already gone ; TurkeY%
going—the Dardanelles were going—and Cireateas
would go, so far as England was concerned, wb° was
bound to protect her or perish--unless the glor eid
bravery of her own sons, should, as hitherto, deeto
her, as he hoped it would. If we permitted RelsTlsee
take Malta, she would then ask for Gibraltar, and !f„
got that she would then come and ask for the Isle of 1' 'rev
If things should go on as they were, the Russianslll:ot
be in London next summer. What was to 13ree. io
Russia from burning Sheerness next. July ? And tu-'olt
48 hours, the Russians might be in possession of tiler 0
of England. They might take Portsmouth as east Yves
Sheerness. So weak was our army, so miserable le,
our navy, so distracted and discontented was our Pe°,r
that if the Russians should, with her 28 sail of the 1.,
land an army of 50,000 men at Sheerness next iis,
they might be in possession of London three days
It was not to be expected that the people of le°e°l`o°o
who were so discontented, would turn out `2v''':(l
amen to meet item.-- Russia had been be/
transports in this country.. She had last wet
a large steam-packet launched in the Thames--esfe,-,
those vessels purchased to transport troops to 'sad?
schatka ? or were to they transport troops to Efigia°,sis
Which was the more likely? The people of
had no power, politically speaking. They might, Petley
howestring the Emperor—that was all they power
had.—( Loud laughter.) Russia had the ablest ma
sl,
drawn from all parts of Europe, in her military, her nahvaj
and her diplomatic services. Those talented eleAtig;ol,
no interest but that of their master, the great "e"ii, it
and they were always awake, or if they slept at al
was like the Bristol men, with one eye epetheo
(Laughter.) The Right Hon. Gentleman sPbat
the other night of the fearful reckoning' 'if
would insue if Russia should invade this 00 eo
try. That reckoning would take place, but slue
would he the first to feel it ?—the Ministry thieol
selves.—(Laughter.) Then the people of ngdrive
would revenge upon the invaders ; they would field
the Russians from this country—a revolution Otto
take place here—a democratic revolution, which idly
aristocracy would not survive—which would rap le
extend throughout Europe, and finally arouse the Peep's.
of Russia itself, most probably in the courseeef-its The
rations bowstringing the Emperor.—(Laughterq to
Hon. Member, after repeating his solemn warning
the Ministers and to the leaders of each party' po
eluded by moving his amendment.
the
The SPEAKER inquired who seconded
amendment ?
Mr. ATTWOOD—(Looking round the Heusejthe
I suppose some honest man will do so. I got oni,e
other night.—(A laugh.) Perhaps some Hon- tuseier
ber on the other side of the House will do so.--1
newed laughter.)
No Hon. Member having risen to second it, the °it'
tion consequently fell to the ground. , TOOL
The House then went into Committee on tne s
Estimates, Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. uld
Mr. C. WOOD proposed that the Committee sb°
resume where they had left off on the last night. 01.
On the first vote, that a sum not exceeding I q'„teer
be granted for defraying the salaries of officersea°," -
contingent expenses of the Admiralty, being reaaeanyal
Mr. HUME, wished to know how many '-
Yachts were now in Commission. •
Mr. C. WOOD said there were only two. the
Mr. HUME complained of a vessel of "nog
Hastings, having been detained on the coast for 50 oat
a period for the purpose of taking the Queen Dowagecres
to Malta, when they had not one to go to Vera-eiebt
or the West Indies. He thought no person haciatit the
k
to taken a vessel of war for such a purpose 1.";
Queen herself. It was known that the countrj scut
paying the individual 100.0001. a year and he sloe'
it would take another 100,000/. to defray the esPe •
the out-fit to Malta.
.eant Of
Admiral ADAM denied that there was any "- per"
a ship of war to go to the West Indies or any otbes 0P
of the globe. The Hastings had been itteose
to take out the Earl of Durham to Canada ; °do fir
was very little additional expense in fitting heria'so";
the reception of the Queen Dowager. He w°°
~e tb°"'
that the Queen Dowager had expressed her doll- 100 e
the country should not be put to one farthing °I;
on her account.
mber for
Capt. PEC HELL thought the Hon. 1(4 itie-- to °"f
Kilkenny would be the last person in the 11°9- ees°
ject, if he was acquainted with all the circurnsty'a
the case.—(Hear, hear.) ,„ that
Sir E. CODRINGTON did not object 'r;f visr
illustrious personage having the use of a vessel
„.t the
for such a purpose, but he thought that the in erri`se,.o°.
Hastings had been employed for such a PurPe,° jeste°'
other ship should have been at once put in cern— Other
n
Sir G. CLERK thought there was nnt,_aa oonr
man in the kingdom who would object to sue'opplerl,
pliment being paid to that illustrious and e't„. r poi°'
individual.—(Hear, hear.) There was a°l3tliee
to which he wished to called the attention of °
mittee. The Admiralty had later), usurped t'a' floc
power of altering the rating of vessels employ qtr; 0';
ships, and redueing the pay of the petty seneea th
men on that ground. The Hon. Baronet inrhad been
case of the Cornwallis, the rating of whid°
%visaed t°,l
reduced from a third to a fourth rate. 1-1.? because
know whether the Lords of the Admiralty haanbeucaoe be
their legal adviser in taking such a step,
el•
thought it was most unjustifiable and improp
Biro-
Mr. C. WOOD begged to remind the fficers le
net and the Committee, that the potty o
wed O
c-
I-I°!„'7ree° I
were perfectly aware at the time they elce was pre e
rating of the vessel, and therefore CO,ave
tised. He believed the Order in Council._ orating 0f
Beard of Admiralty full power to alter 'the
soma
the very to
Sir E. CODRINGTON believed _ dmicalty
vessels under certain circumstances.
u which the ad
Hon. Baronet (Sir Geo. Clerku) ,ilehad been
(Hear, hear.) The flag-ship at Portsmee
corse h bee adte by the Board 01_