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there. He quitted one house to go to the other, because he
was told he would be more safe there. Dot's not know
that ever he saw ]key Solomons in his life; never spoke to him
to his knowledge ; never was employed by him ; never defaced
any marks upon watches for him. It was only until nearly
his last interview with Caspar that he suspected any guilt
in this business. Hcmembers when Ikey Solomons fled. No
officer ever searched his house for Ikev Solomons to his
knowledge, nor any house where he lived. Lived in a place
called Bevis Marks, No. 18. His house there was not searched
for Solomons, nor for any thing he had stolen. There had
a person called there, two gentlemen together, who came, and
said they wished to look into his shop for stolen property.
Witness showed them over the shop, and they said they were
perfectly satiified. Was never told that this was for pro-
perty stolen by Solomons. Did not hand any property out of
the window. Neither Mrs. Levi nor Mrs. Sewell lived with

hiM. Mrs. Aldosdino lived with shop only
was searched. The persons who searched said they had wrong
information. Witness told Mr. Fishwick where he lived.
That he was not a Hebrew. In order to convince Fishwick of
this, he might have eaten pork, He does not know that he
eat at his table with hm. He did vat forbidden meat
there. Every meat he eat there was forbidden. It made
no difference to him while he was there. He had some

suspicion when he was asked to imitate another man's hand-
, writing, but his suspicions were lulled by Lewin tell-
ing him the person was to sign the paper himself. Can-
not give any honest reason for imitating another man's
writing. Knew it was wrong. When Caspar said he was
not to be seen at his house, he suspected something wrong, but
never linew that robbery was contemplated. Inquired what
his intention was, and Caspar told him it was to deceive the
London clerks only. He told him it was to oblige his friend,
and therefore he did it.
Mr. Plimsirs—Would you have stolen the gold dust if you
thought it was wrong—that's a puzzle?
I fetched it away to oblige Caspar.—lf be had known it had
been gold dust he had been stealing he would not have done it.
Did not know it was a forgery he was committing. He was
induced to do it by Caspar. Would not steal at the sugges-
tion of Mr. Caspar. Cannot give an honest reason for it. His
dishonest one was that Caspar promised to pay him for it. The
forgery did succeed, and he sot no money, at which he was not
pleased. He was to depend' on the Caspars for the reward.
He was quite surprised to find he had been guilty of stealing.
He had no intention of robbery. Thought there was secresy,
but did not know there was crime. Gave more than one ac-
count of tsese transactions to the prosecutors. They were not
all alike. Toll them his first statement was a true one. It
was just as false as his telling lishwiek he was not a Jew.
He gave them that statement to deceive them. He did it at the
nstigation of Mrs. Abrahams and Davis to screen them as well
as himself. He gave Mr. De Mole a false statement. Mr.
De Mole is one of the solicitors for the prosecution. He made
it to mislead him and baffle the prosecution. He would not
have done t'iis if he had not been implicated in it. All the...-
false statements were made at the instigation of Davis and Mrs.
Abrahams. The third statement was true, aid was made to
save himself only. He thought Mrs. Abrahams and Davis
were his friends, but found they haddeceived hies. He assured
Mr. De Mole that what he told hini was the truth, and the
prosecutors that the first statement was the truth. The second
statement differed from the first, and both were false. The
account he has given to-day differs from the other two. He
does not give the same assurance to the Court to-day for the
statement made here, because when called on to swear to /his
former statements he refused to do so. The first statement
was dictated by Davis and sent to Robinson. Never heard of
Mrs. Abrahams intending to turn evidence when he made his
statement. The true statement was sent from the prison about
a month before his final commitment. He was present a va-
rious examinations. Mrs. Abrahams was present at one of
them, and it was after that that he sent in his written
statement for the sale purpese of saving himself.
He has acted under the advice and recommendation
of a solicitor, who told him to tell the truth, and let every one
take care of himself. Would not swear whether or not Mrs.
Abrahams was sworn, but remembers her being examined as a
witness. Witness was not sworn until the last examination.
It was before Mrs. Abrahams was examined that the solicitor
spoke to him as above. Does not consider himself, except so
far as he shall be borne out, entitled to credit. Everything
tends to cast suspicion on him. He has a great deal worse opi-
nion of himself than many may imagine.
Cross-examined by Mr. ADOLPHUS for Mrs. Abrahams—
He is 4'2 years of age, and has lived most of his life in London.
He was working for 111 r. Ilyams at the time he committed this
forgery. lie wrote two letters which were rejected, and two
others which Lewin Caspar kept. Does not know where Davis
is. Saw Davis in the Magistrate's parlour, after he had made
his false statement. Davis was let go, and has since run away.
Did not know he had committed a robbery until the Tuesday.
He thought Lewin had authority to do what he had done. He
did not give information on the Monday night after his conver-
ation with Ellis, because he was afraid he had gone too far.
It did not occur to him at the time. He never knew Henry
Solomon before, never heard the name of Dean before. Thinks
Mrs. Abrahams said at Robinson's that Moss could come forward
and show by documents who the receiver was. Does not know
whether he said "Mrs. Abrahams has brought me to you ; I hope
I can rely upan her as well as you ;" here are the notes and
I 0 U, given to me by Solomons. He may have said some-
thing :o that effect, except about the I 0 U. He is sure he
never said anything about that, because he had never seen it
until he gave Robinson the notes, and said he bad received them
from Solomon, to whom he had sold the gold-dust. He went
then with an understanding that he was to be a witness for the
Crown. Robinson never Said that he could not believe wit-
ness, he had told him so many lies.
Re-examined by Mr. CLARKSON—The statement he made
to Robinson was not true, and he had been induced by Davis
and Mrs. Abrahams to make it to screen them. Had never
been in Solomons' house in his life, and it was from Davis he
learnt that he hail had anything to do with it. That was the
occasion on which it was determined that Mrs. Abrahams was
to come forward and support his statement. It was Previously
understood between Davis and witness, and Mrs. Abrahams,
that she was to make the statement she made to Robinson, re-
lative to witness. That was all false. Lewin Caspar was not
more than thirteen or fourteen when witne s lived with his
father. He had left Caspar's employ for fifteen years, and had
not written anything for either of them for twelve years. There
was no negotiation with him until he volunteered to make
a. statement, and forwarded it to the prosecutor. He was
induced to this by Davis and -Mr. Abrahams. As far as the
prosecutor was concerned his statement was perfectly volun-
tary. He made the statement to-day because he saw the ne-
cessity of telling the truth ; he banded his last statement to hi),
attorney, Mr. Buckland. The letter which Lewin Caspar
showed him about consignments to the amount of 90,000/.

resembles the one now shown him. He was never in prison
in his life. He has worked for Hyams for ten years. He had
gone to Fishwick's for the purpose of concealment. He had
done nothing to disguise his person. •
By the Cou ItTlie had worked for Caspar after he left his
employ, up to within the last twelvemonths. During that time
he never sent him bills or letters of excuse.

The hour of six o'clock having come the Court adjourned
until to-morrow morning, the Jury having been previously
given in charge.
The prisoners seemed very attentive to the evidence, the
younger Caspar taking notes the whole time.
Mrs. Abrahams was accommodated with a chair.
The trial is expected to last two or three days.

The London Correspondent of the Dublin
Evening Poet, a well informed paper, states that there
will be no dissolution of Parliament during the present
year at least, although there has lately been 'some rumour
of a dissolution in the approaching autumn.
The cavalry officers of Dublin are, it is said,
getting up a grand tournament at Rathfarnham Castle, for
the benefit of the Mendicity. _ _ _

On Friday last, a boy, three years old, playing
on the tramroad at Little Milford, near Haverfordwest,
was accidentally ran over by two waggons laden with culm,
and the body nehrly severed in two.—Cambrian.
STATE of THE WORKING CLASSES.—We
observe that the Commissioners have made two more sales
during the week of 20,0001. each, on account of the Saving
Banks. We are happy, however, to announce that in
Manchester the notices of withdrawal have subsided, in
number and amount, to the average of good times, while
there is a steady progress in the number of depositors and
amount of deposits. The demands on the poor rate have
also not increased, as might have been expected under the
very severe depression of trade, and these facts may be
considered as conclusive evidence that the condition of the
industrious classes generally is not one of unusual privation.
In fact, the hand-loom weavers, and some other classes, are
in more general employment, and on better terms, than
they have been for years, and the pressure seems to be
merely confined to the spinners and printers. In these de-
partments many are out of employ, and considerable dis-
tress prevails —Manchester Chronicle.
TETE MURDER AT SUNDERLAND.—The coro-
ner's jury who returned a verdict of wilful murder against
the mate Ehlcrt did not implicate the boy Mueller; but
the magistrates; of Sunderland have, after a long investi-
gation, committed him also to take his trial on the capital
charge, some suspicious circumstances against him having
since transpired.

DISTRESSING CASE.—On Friday last an in-
quest was held More J. \V. Cowley, Esq., coroner for the
northern division of Bucks, at. Olney, on view of the body
of Mr. F. tladdon, jun., a schoolmaster of that place,
aged thirty-five. It appeared from the evidence, that in
the afternoon of the previous Wednesday he accompanied
his pupils to the river, in order that they might bathe.
During the time that the boys were in the water, deceased
(who remained on the bank with his clothes on) observed
a boy, aged ten, about forty yards further up the river,
getting out of his depth, and evidently struggling for
his life. He immediately hastened to the spot, and
jumped in, but not being able to swim sank and rose no
more. One of his pupils, named William Fosket, only
twelve years of age, reached the spot just in time to see
his master sink; he instantly rushed into the water, and.
with much difficulty and exertion, brought out the little
boy in an almost lifeless state. The pit was supposed to
be at least ten feet deep, and had Fosket been able to
dive as well as swim, be thought he could have saved his
master also. Before assistance could be obtained half an
hour had elapsed, and every possible means were used to
restore life, although ineffectually. Verdict " Acciden-
tally drowned."
THE LADY FLORA HAsTINGs.—It affords us
great gratification to state that Lady Flora Hastings was
a little better yesterday.
Renwick, of Winlaton, and Molyneux, the
black man, fought a pitched battle near Kendal, on Wed..
nesday ; and after they had beaten each other most brutally
for an hour and a quarter, in the presence of several con..
genial fellows, the black was declared to be the best man
of the two.

SOCIETY OF ARTs.—The situation of Secre-
tary to this long-established and highly useful Society has
become vacant through the resignation of Mr. Aikin, who
fur many years t.bly and zealously performed its duties.
There are several candidates in the field, but the general
opinion seems to be that the choice of the members (with
whom•the election rests) will f.:11 upon Mr. William Bad-
deley, a gentleman whose scientific acquirements emi-
nently qualify hint for the important and responsible office.
Mr. i3addeley is in the prime of life, and has had much
practical experience in business.
WILL OF THE LATE BISHOP OF PETERBO-
ttoun►t.--The will and codicil of the late Bishop of Peter-
borough were on Saturday last proved in the Prerogative
Court of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Doctors' Com-
mons, by Marian Erni), Charlotte Marsh, his widow and
sole executrix, to whom the testator has bequeathed the
whole of his property. The personal estate is sworn under
25 000/., but the freehold property is very large. The will
which is in the handwriting of the deceased, is dated in
1816. and the codicil in 1818 —Condit-it* Chronicle.
ENGLISH LAW !—A few clays ago a person
named Callingham was brought up to the Insolvent Deb-
tors' Court, in order to be discharged from prison. Cal-
lingham had brought an action for an assault, got Is.
damages, and had been put into prison for the costs !

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 24.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at Five o'Clock.
A message from the Commons brought up a variety of
Bills.

The Duke cf RUTL AND presented a petition from
Northampton, prayil for a penny postage.
Lord MELBOURNE presented three petitions against
any alteration in the Beer-laws.
Lord BROUGHAM postponed the second reading of
(as we understood) the Education Bill frcan Monday till
to-morrow week.

Lord GL ENG A L presented a petition in favour of a
uniform rate of penny postage. Also a petition from the land-
owners of the county of Tipperary against any alteration in
the Corn-laws ; and a petition from 530 inhabitants of the
city of Dublin complaining that the Irish Government had
removed a vast number of persons front the Commission of
the Peace and replaced them by gentlemen not of sufficient
respectability.
The Marquis of WESTME ATII complained that
her Majesty's Government hap I,ot produced the
whole of the papers relating to the transactions
at Mullingar for the _production of which he had
some some time ago moved. There were particu-
larly three or four important letters, which he con-
sidered ought to have been produced. If they were not
forthcoming, it became the Noble Marquis opposite to ac-
count for their non-production. Without them it was im-
possible for him (the Noble Marquis) to' bring the whole
of the circumstances properly and fully before the Com-
mittee sitting on the state of crime in Ireland. He drew
the attention of the House to the first part of the Report
of the Committee which had been printed.—( Haar,
hear.) He did not think that the evidence had
been at all fairly given before that Committee.
Important parts of evidence had been kept back, and parts
that were not so important were given. He regretted to
take up so much of the time of the House upon what
might appear to many to be only a local affair, but he
could assure their Lordships it was of great importance to
Ireland how the business before this Committee was con-
ducted ; and for himself he could say that for the part he
had taken as Lord Lieutenant of the county of Westmeath
he had been greatly maligned. The Noble Marquis went
at considerable length into a detail of all the circumstances
afficting many of the transactions that had taken place in
his county for several years past, and sat down by asking if
the Noble Marquis opposite would have any objection to
the appointutent of :a Corsaa;trce; tce4tiqu'W- into
the nature of the papers that b,,d been omitted -w be laid
on the table.

The Marquis of NORM ANB Y was by no means pre-
pared nor disposed to follow the course the Noble Marquis
had taken. He would not consent to the appointment of
the COmmittee suggested, because he remained of the
same opinion now that he was of before, that two of the
letters referred to by the Noble Marquis as letters which
had not been produced, had no relevancy to the matters in
question ; and that as to the third, the original had been
lost, but the substance of it had been set out. The Noble
Marquis was in the habit, more than anv other Noble Lord
in the House, of referring to absent individuals, and cast-
ing imputations upon them, which was anything but proper
or consistent with their fair debate in their Lordships' House.
He bad impeached the conduct of Mr. Drummond, Mr.
Shiel, Mr. Fitzsimon, and Mr. Brooke, although it had
been distinctly shown that every accusation against those
gentlemen had been rebutted.
The Marquis of WE STM EA TH rose amidst cries of
" Order of the Day ! Order of the Day !" He thought
he was entitled to the liberty of making same observa-
tions in reply, and when the Noble Marquis accused him
of being loose in his statements he ought to be guarded
in his own. He would refer to statements made by the
Noble Marquis in the course of the last Session.—( Cries
of " Order of the Day !")
Lord HOLLAND rose to order. It was impossible
that the Noble Marquis could be allowed on this occasion
to travel into such charges as he was about to enter upon ;
and, after the time that bad already been allowed to the
Noble Marquis to make his statement, he must submit that
the House would enforce its rules of order.

The Marquis of WESTMEATH did not consider that
under such circumstances he could even vindicate
himself, but he would express a hope that the
Noble Marquis opposite would be himself more careful
in his statements in future.

and he had been informed by solicitors of great respecta-
bility, that in country places usurious dealings under this
law had taken place, to an extent that was beyond con-
ception. If it had not been for the particular pressure
that prevailed at present, he should have moved that the
13111 be referred to a Committee up stairs, where, if he had
beer, rightly informed, he should hate been able to produce
evidence of its injurious workings that would have sur.
prised their Lordships. This circumstance induced him
to think that this measure ought only to be continued as a
temporary Bill.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said the object of his
Noble and Learned Friend's amendment was unattainable,
for it would practically destroy the credit now obtained by
bills. It would be, in fact, virtually inoperative ; for though
a party could not himself renew the bill the holder might
take it up to any one else at 8 or 10 per cent.--(Hear.)
According to the law as it stands, parties can raise money
at higher rates of interest than 5 per cent. by discounting
on bills. This must be so, for people would borrow and
lend, and interposing legal difficulties only increased the
risk, and thereby the expense to the party borrowing.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said he wished to put
parties on their guard, in passing measures of this descrip-
tion, against supposing that extraordinary high rates of
profit could habitually be made in this cuuntry from lending
money; and with this view he should recommend that the
BM be only in force two or three years—the period during
which such accommodations would, by the present state of
trade, be required.—( Hear.)
Lord WYNFORD withdrew his amendment.
The Marquis of L A NSD 7 WNE thought it best to adopt
a permanent course of legislation, instead of resorting to
temporary expedients.—( Hear, hear.) If lenders of
money were not by law allowed to make such terms as this
Bill authorised, they would only increase the extortions
which would be secretly and unlawfully attempted.
A clause. on the suggestion of the Duke of WE L-
L INGTONJ enacting that the Bill should continue in
operation till 1842, was then proposed.
Their Lordships divided, and there appeared_
Contents
Non Contents

Alijority —l7
The 811 then went through Committee.
The Winkrupts 8.11 pissed through Committee, as. did
also the Common Pleas Practice Bill.

Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF CO.II.IIONS,auNE 24.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly b_•fore four o'clock.
The Harrow School Estate Bill was read a third time
and passed.

Blunt's Estate Bill was read a t'iird time and passed.
On the motion of Mr. W. PATTEN, the Warrington
Small Debts Bill was ordered to be printed. The lion.
Member gave notice that he should to•morrow call the at-
tention of the House to that Bill.

SHIP PROPELLER COMPANY.
Mr. CA YLEY moved the second reading of the Ship
Propeller Company's

Mr. BROTII gIZTON opposed the second reading of
the Bill, considering it to be a measure that was extremely
injurious to a most worthy individual. The short facts of
the case were these, about ten years ago letters patent
were obtained by a gentleman, named Bennet Woodcroft,
for an invention of which the object of the present
Bill was to deprive him. It was important, there-
fore, that the Housa should not lend its sanction to a
Company having such an object. The invention, for which
Mr. Smith had obtained a patent, was precisely the
same as that which had been discovered by Mr. Woodcroft,
and it would therefore be impossible to support the validity
of the former patent. Under such circumstances, looking
upon the Bill as a means for upholding an invalid patent
he should move that it be read a second time that day three
months.

Mr. CA YLE Y had no connection whatever with the
Company, and scarcely knew if the Bill had beer. placed
in his hands. The House had probably already heard of
the application of the Archimedian screw to steam
vessels, which he understood had been investigated by
many naval men, and the Board of Admiralty, who
bad all expressed themselves favourably of the in-
vention. It did not interfere in any way with M.
Woodcroft's patent, and even if it did, the llothe was no
tribunal to try the merits of the two inventions. Parties
had subscribed a large sum for the purpose of obtaining
the present Bill and establishing a Company, and if there
was any undue interference with Mr. Woodcroft's patent
he had his remedy in another Court —( Hear, bear. )
Sir C. B R ELL supported the Bill. He believed the
invention would be a great improvement in the navigation
of the river, as by it all swell was done away with, and the
consequent danger to small craft, and loss of life, avoided.
He did not profess to know much about the invention, but
from what he had heard of it he had no doubt it would be
found to be a decided improvement upon the present system.
Mr. BROTHERTON said he would be prepared to
prove (if the House allowed him) that the present plan was
exactly similar to that of Mr. Woodcroft.
Mr. BE NETT contended that the House had nothing
to do with the merits of rival patens. He understood that
there were two patents existing for the application of the
Archimedian scr2vv to steam-vessels. The present Com-
pany had purchased the other, and rejected Mr. Wood-
croft's patent, and hence the opposition of that gentleman
to the present Bill.
Captain A'CO URT eulogized the invention of Mr.
Smith, and supported the Bill.
The amendment was then withdrawn, and the Bill read
a second time, and ordered to be committed.

Sir R. BATE SON presented petitions from Dunmore,
Londonderry, against the grant to the College of May-
nooth, and against the Government plan of education, and
from the King's County, in favour of the Better Ob-
servance of the Lord's Day, and against Sunday travelling.
Petitions against. the Government scheme of education
oVreril4Praseared by ',SW Q. 13. Vera, from places in the
counties of Surrey and
.:Sussex; by Lord Norreys, :from
Oxfordshire; by Ciiptain:Alsager, from Surrey; by Sir
C. Burrell, from Sussex; bj Mr. 0. Gore, from Denbigh ;
by Mr. Bailey, from Worcester; by Mr. Christopher, from
Lincolnshire ; by Mr. R. Palmer, from Reading; by Mr.
Wodehousc, from Norfolk ; by Sir G. Clarke, from
Northamptonshire ; and by Mr. Miles, from Somersetsbire.
Mr. PHILLIPS presented a petition from Lianidloes, in
favour of the plan.
Mr. THORNHILL presented a petition from Mr.
Flower, of Stratford-on-Avon, against any alteration in
the Beer Act.

The LORD-ADVOCATE presented petitions from
Aberdeenshire against Church Endowments in Scotland.
Mr. MILNES presented a petition from the Goole
Union, praying for an alteration in the bastardy clause of
the Poor-law Amendment Act.

The O'C 0N OR DON presented several petitions
from the county Roscommon in favour of Corporate Re-
form in Ireland.

Mr. D. W. HARVEY presented a petition from six
officers of the Sheriffs of Middlesex, praying f4r compen-
sation for the.loss sustained by them in consequence of the
passing of the Act for the Abolition of Imprisonment for
Debt.

Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from Water.
ford, complaining of the state of Prison Discipline in Ire.
land. Also a petition from Dublin complaining of the
mode of fictitious voting practised there.
Mr. V. SMITH presented a petition from Northamp-
ton in favour of the Ministerial plan of education.
Mr. M`K INN ON brought in the Turnpik.! Trusts Bill,
which was read a first time, and ordered to be' read a
second time to-morrow.
On the motion of Sir J. GRAHAM, the Earl of Gal-
loway's Estate Bill was read a second time, and ordered to
be committed.

Mr. GILL 0 N presented a petition from A uchtermuchty
against any monopoly in printing the Scriptures in Scotland.
Mr. /3LE wiTT, and Sr C. KNIGHTLY presented
petitions against the Government plans of national edu-
cation.

ELECTION PETITION.
A petition was presented against the return of Mr.
Alcock for the borouah of Ludlow.
Mr. COLQUHOUN presented a petition against the
grant to Maynonth College.
Sir T. IRE EMANTLE presented petitions agarist
the Government plans of education.
Lord STANLEY presented a similar petition.
Mr. D. \V. HARVEY gave notice of a motion for re-
turns relative to the unappropriated sums under a Conven-
tion (of which we could not catch the name).
Lord J. RUSSELL presented papers.
CLERGY RESERVES (CANADA).
Mr. PAKINGTON begged to ask the Right lion. the
Under Secretary for the Colonies, whetl-er the Clergy Re-
serves Bill had yet been received from Canada; and se-
condly, whether it was true that some difficulties had arisen
wi'h regard to that Act? lie wished alse to know what
was the nature of those difficulties—whether they were
likely to be removed, and when it was intended to lay the
Bill upon the table of the House ?
Mr. L ABO UCH ERE said that additional information
had been received from Upper Canada since the question
had last been referred to in that llouse. The Act had
been transmitted from Canada, but it was unaccompanied
by the Address from the Governor, without which it was
not a legal document. And he believed, even if the
address was transmitted, there would exist some doubts
as to the legality of the course which the Legislature of
Canada had adopted.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.—EDUCATION

_ _
VOTE.
The Hruse then went into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. BERNAL in the Chair.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not think it necessary
to enter into the general question of education in proposing
a Committee of Supply. The objections that had been
stated or that might be stated on the general subject could
not now very conveniently be discussed, after the long dis-
cussion which had taken place before the Speaker left the
Chair. It might be contended that the whole education
scheme ought to be left in the hands of the Church. It
might be contended that the State ought not to grant any
slime of money which should not be placed at the disposal
of the Church, but those were not the questions now
in dispute.—( Hear, bear.) The question now in dis.
puce was, whether they would agree to grant 30,0001.
for the purposes of public education, or whether
they would altogether refuse that vote.—(Cries of " No,
' no," from the Opposition benches.) He understood that
to be the proposition, and that the ground of it was that
instead of voting a sum for education to be placed at the
disposal of the Board of the Treasury, it was a sum to be
placed at the disposal of a Committee of the Privy
Council, consisting of certain of her Majesty's servants.
He did not see upon what argument that refusal
was to be based. He could understand the argument that
the State ought not to encourage any doctrine or any opi-
nion but that which was held by the Established Church,
in connection with the State ; and that no such doctrine
ought to be encouraged by vote of Parliament. But in
respect of this mere question being the disposal of the
grant to the Board of the Privy Council, or the Board of
the Treasury—it did not appear to him that there
was any _ ground upon which to refuse to make
any grant for public education. Ile thought it
would be far better for the argument if the change
was the other way. In that case they would have
! had something to support them in their views, supposing
there had been a Committee of the Privy Council
appointed for the purpose of education, and the grant