The Sun.
London, England, 1808-04-30 00:00:00

'ltatv yin many. Considering • the itifh.letieetwhielf
ire ,:ie fey, in every country, and every %iv rititaAft,i
had over the. people, •it was-wiqe -in Sfareitiiiitii'd
keep the'Clergy at least io go od humour-44644*re
On this .subjeti he wv,, corwinced a hat The Mill WO
te4tants at ;d Catholics were& the saute ssenel oieriesl'?
and if we "were to Poll opile`uns it“lreTandpelleie
worthibe at least a htivdred to one in favkCitr:di
Han. Friend's ainendinent.
The Ca it.NceLtott'ot-the Escut;ou en dikclaimett
havihg ever .statr'd a principie of economy,' as the
ground of tire pelt he bad felt it- his duty to tae oe
the subjea.of this'erant. 'On-the contrary ha' was
of (pinion, that a -sartng of three, five, or. teri
thousaed pounds; should etot be any considerath
to,:i.epede a measure t;; at •and important public
ark mitage. its to "wh-,t :etc' Right Honourable
Gentleman • had, said tvith,reeeet to tuiw
beft»ii the, House, forthelloprovement of the Po-
bee of be did tiorneilerstaild hint to (*jai
to the'grant for that pttrpo,e, 'and Certainly the ar-
glanienti: me used in favour of an extended grant in
the caw under consideration, would apply with full
rffird, itf favour of that measure. The .night Ho.;
stowable, Gentleman, argued, that the • candeft of
,those who suppo.cd the original, vote, arose' from
the pie inure they felt in refusing a boon to solai:ge4
proportion of the pimple- of Ireland. But
Convinced' that she generous mind of that Right Fla—
now-able Gentleman was incapable of supposing that
auranan could entertain such a sentiment For
himielf he felt tit) such seytittrent,, and when, front
the perhapit mistaken view be !had of the subject
(for he did tuft think himself infallible) lie was bound
to refuse a grant that ...ould be agreeable to a large
portion of 'his Majesty's subjects, it was always to
him a painful duty. As to the assertion 'that the
vow which he was to give was dictated by bigotry
'or intulerauce, he rotidetot admit that it conic' be
escribed.so either. It Was lit) part of a religicius tn.
I, -Ilion to make a provision fa: the education 0104
of the tolerated ,eft. • If 'it were so, they
ours ~no much farther, • fur the Mieigters of the
111. ~!.. Anabaptists. and Quakeri; would on
that Ate us good a claim for education as
the ; for, in this i-especi, nembers
made no The present question teas
theretOre ;..erLeoed with intolerance. It was the
duty of the State t‘i provicte for the edtleaticus of the
Ministers of the religion.ot- its own establishment,
but the same obligation rtict not apply to other
sc&s. All that toleration required with respe&
to tln was, thst- no ottficutty s!,ould be 'created
to-any measeires they May take for their own educa-
tion. On every question for an, increase of. grant,
it was tit to consider what Was the amount of what
was enjoyed before. It was particularly
after the establishment of the connection of thiS
()Wintry with the Irish Catholics since the Uttion,
that the grant of the Irish Parliament should net be
diminkhed. The fact was, that by the Vote then
natter under consideration that grant was to be ex.'
traded to a provision for one. fourth more than were
educated heretototie.' It appeared, besides, that t t
others were educated for the Catholic Priesthood in
different parts of Ireland. If he had his choice, he
should prefer an education for them in open semi.
ponies, in dilfeivnt parts.of the Conntry, where their
intercourse ss der their friends would,not he preelud.
eel, to the institution of one great monti,tie establish.
;tient, in which they would be debarred uf all access
to their friends. This Institetion hadbten suppciffid
• front its foundation by public grants, Which left the
funds originally intended for -it applifable to Othen
in-
stituYions in different parts of the Country.'There was
,maimped intent to RnmanCatholicsit theyclbse to im.
ploy then own funds for this purpose.' But if, in
coasequence. of 'an increased grant; ti .enniber of
liturgry pensioners, as the Right Hon. Gentleman
hail designated them, should be thrown upon the
Catholic hoeiyovould not the next step be ad* ap.
lor a provision for them ? It had been
said, but. not made out in argument, that seven
years were necessary for the education of thetatho-
he Clergy ; but, on the contrary, it appeared from
the Papers,..that most of the Clergy had left thetol.
lege irt four years or less; On the whole, he thought
that,the supply of 361• would he sufficient to meet
the de.eand of the Catholic Clergy, and therefore
should tote for the proposition of his. Right Hon.
•
• Mr. G. PONtioNBY and the CHANCELLOR of the
Exchannita severally. explained.
ELLtorr declared, that during the late Ad-
ministration, the 'supply to the Catholic Priesthood
from the education of two hundred Student's% ',gay-
nooth had been found insufficient far the detnands
of the Country. It had therefore been reeoin-
tttacs
fi;eil is the Government in this country to datable
the establishment, and the additional.sam of .5001.
had beets voted by Parliament for that Purpose.—
Tl,e Parliament was then dissolved, and the Right.
.gelh. Gentleman (Mr. Foster) proposed to retra&
Oil grant, but finding that the Trustees of the Co).
lege had tatted on the faith of the former vote, he
could not retract it. Parliament had therefore sanc-
tiosed the grant, though the arguments of some Of
the Hon. Gentlemen opposite went to the principle
of the Institutien. They would not consent to
grant more than the original 80001.-and yet they
now proposed 'an addition of 22.501; Notwithstand-
ing the ground stated for this increaie, he believed
to be a compromise, and that' the terrors of
'Popery were felt lighter by.some of the Members
of the Cabinet than by Othera. As to the statement
of the Right Hon. Gentleman, that it-was unpre-
cedented.to provide vfo'r the education of the Mini-
sters of a Religion not that of the State, he observed,
that the slate of the Irish Catholics was an extra-
Ordinary anomaly.' 'They might wish the :ease to
be' otherwise, but. they were to take the country as
it was, and to give it as much moral and political
'improvement as it was capable of. Gentlemen niight
talk of restraint; but that had been the principle of
the penal code, and had failed. They might degrade
Catholice ; they might make them bad Cutho-
- Christians, or bad subje&s, but they could
not by Stith meant make them Protestants.`
Was no eireetual mode of improving the co,,d;tion
Ott lreltind, but by instmdittrand ettligliteeiug the
Clercs, and the people of the Catholic pgratiaaioo.
As it') the superior Clergy of the Catheillo, no per-
sons (*mild possess more real piety, exemplary mo.
:iod sound political principles; and as to the
Patoceial Clergy, he believed that mostor them per-