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be told that this wat not conneael with the `Vat
Have not the events of this year proved that c.on—
neaion"? Thfte had been an abundant 'harVesi,iViiiCif

he knew had produced a reduaion in the 'price of
grain, and also, but not in so great a degree, in the
price of other provisions, But before the ?eace they
had begun to 'rise again, probably be6use the fall
had been too great. But as soon Peace came, the -
fell had been greater than it had been before.—'
Could any man doubt, under such circumstances,'
that it was better for the people to cat than that we
should possess the Cape, or even Malta ? He would
now task Gentlemen,' whether they ever remembered
an event that had occaskined such general and un.
feigned joy ? But, perhaps, he should be told, that
that joy was greater .among the lower classes.—
Be it so. It then proves,. that- plenty in their
minds was 'conneaed with peace. Mr. Fox now'
alluded to the 'Preliminaries as they related te,
France ; he said that if the objea of the War was
to restore the ancient, accurseddespot?sm of France,•
it would be an additional recommendation Of the
Peace that the War had failed of attaining that ob.
jest. He took a tie v of the comiequences that
would have been produced upon Europe, had the
coalition for the restoration of the Bourbon FAmily
succeeded.' The consequences would have been, 'a
perpetual guarantee amongst all Kings, against all
people who might be oppressed iw them in any part
of the world. He entered next into an historical
view of the effeds that such a guarantee would have
produced in the time of Charles- the. First, and at
the period of the Revolution ; he expressed a clif;
ferenee of opinion will Lord Hawkesbury upon the
earlier periods of the War, and upon the causes of
it. He contended that such-terms as had been ob_
tained might have been obtained at a much earlier
period; he took a view of the different Negotiations
that had been entered into with France, in each

of which Negotiations we might have obtained as
good, if not better terms. 'When ze last offer to
treat was made by Bonaparte, in Son, we, were

old to rause. We had 'pxrsed from 1300 to Oa,
f Sol, and this Pause had cost us 70 millions, five

times as much as all the Dike of .Marlivnough's
campaigns. Mr. Fox proceeded now to charge the
old Administration With- b:7ing the cause of the ag-
grandisement of France. He expressed a belief that
the present Government of France would be less
hostile to this Country than the old, and he argued
against the idea of our Commerce being injured
by the rivalship of the French. As to the
Union with Ireland, he did not wish now to enter
into the merits of it ; time would best chew ' whe-
ther it was likely to strengthen the conne6tion
tween both Countries. He had heard of a mixture
of delicacy and firmness in the Government of Ire-
land. He would be glad to know what delicacy.
there was in the burnings and massacres I The
Noble Lord had been incautious in the seleflion
of his words; he had spoken of indulgencies :o be
granted to the People in consequence of the Peace.
Was the substitution of Common Law for-iVlartiai

Law, or the Constitution of the Hab•las C- rim. to
be considered as an indulgence ? He 1.,r one
not receive these much wished-for measures as in_
dulgencies, but as rights. He-concluded with say-
ing, that he could, not help lamenting that the
Peace had not been made earlier. A better Peace
might certainly have been had seven years since.
Mr. WINDHAM- and Lord .FOLKSTONE said
a few words against the Motion.
Dr. LAWRENCE having, in the course of a
short speech, expressed his surprise that the Mini-
ster of the• Country should not have delivered his
opinion on so momentous a subjea,

The CHANCELLOR' of .the EXCHEQUER

rose. He observed, that after the able arguments
that had been advanced in favour of the question, it
was difficult to find any topics that had not before
been alluded to. It had alWays appeared to him, as
well as to many others, that the duty of Negotiation

commenced when all hopes of continental a idin cher.' r,
ing the power of France .were at an end. His prede-
cessors had been of this opinion, and had twice sought
a Negotiation, though their efforts had been unsuc-
cessful. As soon, therefore, as His Majesty had been
graciously pleased to deliver the authority of the
Country, into the hands of the present Ministers, they
had thoUght it necessary to follow the same example.
—They had commenced a Negotiation, and their
efforts had been crowned with success. A compa_
rison had been made between the Terms which
were proposed at Lisle, and those which had now
been agreed upon ; but it should be recolleaed,
that since the Negotiation at Lisle, the National
Debt of this Country had increased no less than
an Hundred and Fifty Millions. At that . Ne,
gotiation it was proposed to restore to France
and her Allies all that had been taken from
them, a measure that mast have been more dan.
gerous to us at that time than it could be at pre-
sent, because Tippoo Sultaun was then in force,
and in connexion with France. In the Mediterra_
nean, we did not then stipulate for the establish-
ment of the Republic of the Seven Islands, whielt
now form a barrier to Turkey on the Eastern side.
In the West Indies we were in possession of Cape
Nicola Mole and Jeremie, in addition to cur other
conquests ; them we agreed to give up, keeping only
the Cape. and Trihidad. Upon the whole, he was
decidedly of opinion, that the terms now obtained,
were more favourable for the Country than those
proposed at - Lisle. He then entered into an exa-
mination of the present Articles, which he con..
tended were calculated very much to effeCt the se.
curity of our Eastern and Western Possessions. To
those who wished to continue the War for the
purpose of reducing the Power of France, he
wished to state, that another Campaign could
not be made at a. less expence than Forty. Mil-
lions, and a perpetual Annuity (except for the.
operation of the Sinking Fund) of Two Millions
per annum, in addition to their other burthens.
Even certain success would not have been worth
such a price. He perfealy concurred with his
Noble Friend in thinking that we ought to watch
with care any tendency to increase the Colonial sys-
tem of this Country. He was by no means satisfied
*of the wisdom of those whose object seemed, to be
to prevent France from beeoming'. a Commercial
Power ; he wished to see France possessed of
commerce, he wished to see her possessed of in..
terests which would make her conscious of