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London, England, 1839-06-11 00:00:00

BEER BILL.

Upon the motion of Earl SHAFTESBURY this
Bill passed through a Committee, was reported with
amendments, and ordered to Le read a third time to-
morrow, upon the understanding that any debate upon it
should take place to-morrow.

The Earl-of RIPON presented a petition from, as
we understood, merchants in the City of London, pray-
ing that means might be taken for the establishment of
a colony in the South-eastern part of Africa.
Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from
three cotton spinners in Glasgow, complaining of an
evasion of the provisions of the Factory Bill. The peti-
tioners stated that they had been examined last year
before a Committee of the House of Commons.
and asked certain questions upon this subject. They
stated that since that time Mr. Stuart, the Factory
Superintendant, had published a Report, in the course
of which he stated that the petitioners were not wor-
thy of credit. The petitioners repelled that insinua-
tion—alleged that they had always maintained a
gond character—that their statements were as much
entitled to credit as Mr. Stuart's, and Spraying for
the appointment of a Committee to investigate the
statements in Mr. Stuart's Report. The Nole and
Learned Lord had also another petition from the inha-
bitants of Glasgow, agreed to at a public meeting, con-
vened for the purpose of taking into consideration Mr.
Stuart's Report. That meeting had found, that the
evidence given by the witnesses whose petition the
Noble and Learned Lord had just presented
was correct in all respects—that the statements
in Mr. Stuart's Report were, utterly unfounded

—that the characters of the three individuals
which he had attacked were free from all re-
proach ; and the petitioners prayed for the appoint-
ment of a Committee to the same effect as the
prayer of the last petition. The Noble and Learned
Lord merely meant at present to move that the petitions
be laid on the table, because he understood similar
petitions were to be presented to the other House of
Parliament, which would probably appoint a Committee.
and be did not think it necessary there should be two
Committees sitting on this matter.

Lord STRANGFORD wished to put a question
to the Noble Viscount opposite. He had seen
from the printed votes of the other House of
Parliament, that an Honourable and Learned Mem-
ber of that House, had given notice of his inten-
tion to bring in a Bill, the object of which was to
enable persons professing Popish doctrine, to practice in
the spiritual offices of these Realms, and to hold the office
of Lord High Chancellor. He had heard also that
that notice had been received with a cheer by those
to whose support the Noble Viscount's Govern-
ment was mainly indebted for its existence.—(Hear.)
He wished to know whether that Bill wasto be introduced
with the concurrence and sanction of any of that section
of which it was said the Noble Viscount's Government
was composed ? Whether in short it was what was
termed a Government measure ?

Lord MELBOURNE said certainly not ; nor was
it with the approbation of her Majesty's Government.
Lord STRANGFORD was extremely glad to hear
that statement.
Lord BROUGHAM certainly understood that as
far as regarded the office of the Lord Chancellor, that
Bill was intended to be confined to the Irish Chancel-
lorship ; and for his own part he thought a more harm-
less or absurd Bill could not be introduced.--(" Hear,"
and laughter.)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said the Noble
Viscount opposite, notwithstanding he was always denying
his connexion with an Hon. and Learned Member in
another House, seemed to keep exceedingly closely
connected with him, No doubt the Noble Viscount
had read the speeches of the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber for Dublin which he had made throughout Ireland,
and in which that Honourable and Learned Mem-
ber stood guilty of the most base, unmanly, and
infamous accusations against the party to whom he was
opposed. He could compare her Majesty's Ministers
and the influence exercised over them, to nothing but
the influence which Mr. Van Amburgh exercised over
his lions.—(Laughter.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose to order

' The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said that if he
was ont of order, almost every Noble Lord In the
House was out of order weekly and almost daily.
Lord BROUGHAM said that this was certainly
not regular. It was not the first time either the
Noble Marquis or other Noble Lords were out of
order in that House.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY—Nor is it
the first time you have been nut of order.

Lord BROUGHAM—No, certainly not. I confess
I have followed your example before now.—(Laughter.)
He had read the speeches very attentively, and he did
not see any thing like what the Noble Marquis had
stated.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY appealed to
the House whether he might not be permitted to make
a speech as well as the Noble and Learned Lord, more
especially as there was no question before the House.
Lord BROUGHAM—But there is a question. I
understood the Noble Marquis to move the Orders of
the Day.—(Marquis of Londonderry—" No.") I think
it but fair, however, when it is stated that a person has
said something which I happen to know was not said,
to correct it. lam particularly anxious, in consequence
of a recent correspondence, that there should be no
misunderstanding about it. It was not correct to say
that the Hon. Member for Dublin had used the same
license of language as others ; on the contrary, he had
veiled his language much more than others who spoke
there. It was also right to state, that the Hon.
Gentleman to whom allusion had been made did not
deny having used the language attributed to him, but
he denied having used certain coarse expressions ; but
he neither admitted or denied the language, and he
could not, therefore, be charged with having eaten his
words. He regretted that he had been obliged to make
any allusion to the Hon. Gentleman, more especially as
he owed more obligations to that illustrious family than
almost any other.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY What
family?
Lord BROUGHAM—The late Mr. Grattan's.
He did not think it was quite regulai to call upon any
Member of that House to explain what he had said in
commenting upon matters that had occurred out of that
House.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY hoped the
Noble and Learned Lord did not mean to defend the
expressions of the Hon. and Learned Member for
Dublin.

Lord BROUGHAM—Quite the contrary.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY would state
to their Lordships what the expressions of both
these Honourable Gentlemen had been. In the speech
of the Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin
he found it stated, " Mr. Grattan has said that the
Queen would not live six months if that event took
place. They would remember that English Kings and
Princes before now had been removed. The Duke
of Buckingham had put his two nephews to death,
and his prototype the Tories might do as atro-
cious a deed. The Queen's cup might be drugged
with something which would persuade her not to
live. He did not charge the Duke of Welling-
ton or Sir Robert Peel with being guilty of such a
deed, but their low adherents would commit any degree
of human baseness and ferocity in their anxiety to bring
in the Kin of Hanover." Now he asked the Noble Lord
whether that langurge was more to be approved of than
what had been stated by Mr. Grattan, and with regard
to the allusion to an illustrious personage, who was not
there—he meant the King of Hanover, he thought it
his duty to declare his solemn conviction that than
that illustrious personage, her Majesty had not, in her
realm a subject more devoted, or one who would
more readily sacrifice the last drop of his blood in sup-
, port of her dignity.—(Hear, hear.) And yet they
found that statement made at a public; meeting
in Ireland—the most inflammatory people in the
world—and they found moreover that at that very
moment, through the agency of that Honourable
Gentleman, if report spoke true, the Noble
Marquis opposite (Normanby) was endeavouring; to
thrust out of power the Noble Lord near him.--(Hear,
p-
and a laugh.) Good God, he should like to see such
a Government.—(Laughter.) If the Noble Viscount
was disposed to yield his sceptre to the Noble Marquis,
let him do so, and they would meet him in a straight-
forward and determined manner, andthielacvoeuhnad an op-
portunity country would
soon see whether such a miserable association, and he
influ-
ence, noctouuslde
sthtaendex.prelsie sionwaps happyersonal to
personally—(Great laughter)
but miserable in point of policy, and in point of
portunity of expressing his sentiments on these most
base and infamous speeches that had been made in Ireland
and he was glad that although he had clothed himself with
the shield, under which no honourable man could attack
him, yet in that House they would protest and publish
to the world the infamy of those accusations, and the
horror and contempt with which all those who allied
themselves with all those statements were viewed.
The Marquis of NORMANBY could assure the
Noble Marquis that he bad no intention of gratifying
his wishes by assuming the reins of Government.
CONVEYANCE OF PARCELS TO AND
FROM IRELAND.

The Earl of WICKLOW had to put a question to

the Noble Lord at the head of the Admiralty, with re-
gard to the conveyance of parcels between Ireland and
this country. In consequence of the completion of the
Liverpool Railway, there had been a great increase in
the demand for such conveyance, and the Post-office had
therefore given the power of conveying parcels to the
Government packets, running between the two coun-
tries. To superintend the business in Ireland, they had
appointed Mr. Purcell, a gentleman who, at the time he
was appointed, was one of the prime agitators in that
country, though he had since offended that individual,
who had greatest influence there. He (the Earl of
Wicklow) however, did not complain of the appointment,
but of the monopoly which that gentleman exercised, of
imposing whatever charges he thought fit, and whatever
conditions upon the conveyance of parcels ; a power
not delegated before to any private individual. Did
the Admiralty mean to persevere in this arrangement?

The Earl of Al INTO said it had been found conve-
nient to permit the conveyance of parcels by the Go-
vernment packets, and necessary to appoint a person to
superintend the arrangements in Ireland. The plan
adopted by the Admiralty did not create a monopoly,
but it was the destruction of one, for any person might
send his parcels either by the packets or the Company's
boats. The Admiralty held them responsible for the
safe delivery of the mails.

The E.;rl" of WICKLOW said the Noble Earl
evidently did not know any thing of the matter, and he
was not surprised at it, for such matters must, of neces-
sity, be attended to by inferior officers. The agent of
the Admiralty charged just what he pleased, and re-
quired every package to be sent to his own office.

- The Earl of MINTO would assure the Noble Earl
that any complaint would instantly be attended to by
the Admiralty, and even by the superintendent of packets
at Liverpool.
Lord BROUGHAM presented petitions from Ros-
common, Greenock, Beverley, and other places, in
favour of Mr. Rowland Hill's plan of penny postage.
Also one from the Magistrates, clergy, bankers, and
other inhabitants of Blackburn, praying for the repeal
of the Beer Act.