The Sun.
London, England, 1808-02-25 00:00:00

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from the. en." \Ve should not tlien deserve the Vity
of mlnkind, and would b considered as a detestable
,natine: that .*as.gutfering• a' well-Merited imnigh-,
menc fur the crime_it *had committed against other
countriiSs.

CILINCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
in reply to the Hon.' Alleniber, said, that as to his
sepeas.eion that there was .no scarcity. of bark in
1-).::1L.7e, and therefore that this measure must be in
etl',J•cival, this WAS,Zi fact upon which he was com-
pletely at issue With him. ' 'He had information that
there, were most pressing orders in London for bark .
to be exported to France, and every possible facility
promised on the part of the French Government.—
He therefore did trust that this measure would have
some effect in . convincing Europe that the system
Which was now pursued was still more disadvantage-
ous to the Continent than to this country. \lt would
therefore be qualified to break down that unjust sys-'
tem. whith is pursued against this country, and per-
haps to induce the enemy to. some modification of
those measures which he would perceive were as
prejudicial. to him as they can be to us. If, as
the Honourable Gentleman had said, the measure
should- prove entirely futile and nugatory, it must
then tie allotted that, it could not produce all- those
mischiefs and sufferings which he had described ;
but if, on the other hand, it did occasion considerable
distress to the enemy, there was reason to hope that
he might wish to remove that distress,lay adopting
something of a more reasonable .system of warfltre
with resped to us. As to those fin-, sentimental
ideas which the Hon. Gentleman had expressed,
about the humane triode of carrying on a civilized
warfare, he should be, glad that he could persuade
the enemy to adopt them • but afi,wars had hitherto
been carried on, the burdens of them often necet-
sarily felt on the innocent and the helpless. If any
General besieged' a city, it was the constant praclice
'to cut off every supply of provisions and necessaries
from that city, although the consequence must ne-
cessarily be, that many sick and infirm per Sons,
many.women and children must suffer great priva-
tioni•and hardships in consequence of it. No per-
son could have any pleasure in irifiieting the miseries
of war upon the 'innocent inhabitants of a besieged
city ; -but still it was often 'necessary in ordeir to
duCe that city to surrender. Although the garrison
might be the last to feel the pressure, yet the distress
of the inhabitants often occasioned the surrender of
the place. He could not see any thing more detest-
able in retaliating upon an enemy, in' order to pro-
cure a just and honourahlupeace,rhan it was, when
tleniegil)g a city, to use those means by which alone
that city could be taken. As to the danger of-the
enemy not allowing corn to come tra us from their
j country in case of a scarcity here, the French Go-
Vernment had already taken care of that, and shut
the .ports of .the Baltieand.the Whole Continent
against us; and whether we alloWed Jesuit's Burk
to be exported or not, it could not be•supposed that
they would send,us corn, as long as they thought
that by. Withholding it they could force us to a peace
upon their own terms. ~
Mr, 4,USHINqTQN read a paper, giving an ac-
count of the prices of bark at Amsterdam last
winter, by .which it appeared, that the., price. of it
after Christmas was only sixteeeshillings,a pound.
It therefore was quite improbable, that it could now
be so high as seveory shillitngs. 'As to the red ba; k,
it was extremely scarce in England, and he only
knewof one ches of 200 lb. tube disposed of, and
that was to be sold at twenty-rive shilliegs.. a
.pound.
He conaidervd • that endeavouring to increase the
. sum of hetnan was a war fie only ter assassins,
but not Ibr English.een.
Mr: HIIIIIEEI' stated as a proof that it .was some-
times better not to retaliate, that ,When the French
Gevernment once issued a Decree that no quarter
should begiven to English tioeps„ we did not,attempt
at' retaliation, and that barbar.oas order was never car-
ped into execution.

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professed olijea of the prOhibason n
impression
.upon the .Freneh army : kit
Rtiler`of France so ignorant.ofte adVi.mtag-es that
i,trere to be derived frirm- •W it h r
'privations ? .Anxion's as he was to :give hip .kipport
to other parts -of the Bill, 'he clinic! not to-this: It
would give, a character ,of ferocity to the. war, to
which he hoped, for. the heincittr of humanity, this
Country:would never resort. He was averse 'from
leaving 'to the discretion of Goverument the'•power
of judging of the propriety of the exportation—the
measure could have no good effed, and might have
tiae contrary. .

General GASCOYNE justified thth conduct of thp
Commander in Chief of the Expedition to Copy.,
bagel], in respect to the pardoning of'Soldieri ac-
cused of some outrages. The prohibition had hi 4
perfeet concurrence. He wished that poisonotes drugs'
might also be included. • We had ail heard of.lifia;
they had been used there, and probably night be
wanted again by the Ruler ,of France.
Sir.A. WELLESLEY stated, that the reason the
Soldiers were not brought to punishment was, that
the Commander of the troops in 'Zealand had doubts
of the extent of his power 4. The whole subject
was at present under the deliberation of legal. au..
thority.
Mr. DENT thought the subject ought to be made
the. matter of a specific charge.

The CHA'Nef;LLOIe of The EXCHEQUER oh.
sen,:ed, that these observations must he very grating t4i
the Noble Lord intereated. The non-execution of
the sentence was owing to douhrs in the Conunander
whether ,the sentence could be executed accol2aifig
to. law. It 4ad been the subject of much legal tle-,
liberation, and was, not yet quite settled. The
highest judicial authority in the country had doubts
of the .propriety of the cOmitition. He wished to
bribg back the mouse to the.taestion, which. was,
not whether it was right to prohibit the expoita.l
tion of- back, but whethei- it was proper to raise;
duty on it. .

Mr. WHiTEREAD rose to give notice, tLat;iralhe
course of a few days, he. would bring the question
respeEting the. Hanoverians. to an issue.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL exculpated the
.Conv.
minder of the troops. The question had bcen 't c
ferred to hurl and .his Colleague, and afterwards to
higher authority. ,
Mr. D. GIDDY justified the general principle of
the Bill, inasmuch as. it related to the law of na-
tions, and the municipal He, howcver, could
.not approve of the intention of prohibiting the ex.=
portatiOn of bark.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observcd,
that there was nothing in the Bill to prtihiuit the
• exportation of that or any other article.

Mr. TIERNEY Said, that the nailer Ave advamed
in the Bill, the mare intoleray we Lecanie. He wzia
astonished the Bight Hon. Gentleman- should kvo
introduced ,such etanses. The House saw how
they were rewarded for their indulgence. cqn-
cluded • with moving, that the Nviads " Cotton
Wool. and Yarn" should he expunged .froni' the
Clause. - •

Sir C. PR/CE confirmed the statement of ~..the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHi tICIER. reiptipg•the
price of Jesuies,bark rif Paris, which be kneW•frOin
authoritYi upon which he.eoukl place pa e& reli-
ance, was 703. a pound. It was also, within Ins
knoswledge, that unlimited ortkrs had been received
for its,exportatioa. to ~the Continent. 'ibis tva.iiw
common war in which we .were engaged.' Tile
Emperor of lzrance had interdided all point ofthe
Continent to us, and' we were therefore justified in
every mode of retaliation. There -solid not bc, iu
his opinion, a wiser measure, or one more likely- to
be efteaual,than that:proposed in the Bill.

Mr. A. BARING opposed the. principle ct.f the
measure at some length. had not heard it
.stated
by any class of persons, that the smallest
was likely to be derived from it. The. idewol-exeit.
. .
ing the discontent of the inhisbqnnta of
,by
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withholding the exportatton of bark, was absurd ;
for the arrival. of one vessel freighted with 'that art
would.be sufficient At) -supply the inmiediate de-
maods of the whole Continent..
The AuvoCAT E GENERA L entered into an ext-
mtion of the geneial tencir- of the Orders in Council.
Shlps•sailing from any ports of the United Si ites,
plot* tp the 20th of January, were e3trepted. front
the • Cousvquences of the breach of blockade„.:)ll
they sailed subsequent to that peritid, and after Roc.,
tice.received, they were- liable. A vesiel attenipi-
ing to enter a blockaded port after being.-warnal,
also'subje6t itself to confiscation. So that all
these'charges of sWindling, piracy, and robbery, of
which the-lioPse had heard so much in the course
of the evening, would amount, to this, that a neutral
was not allowed to enter a blockaded port.
Sir A..:,P100T oppbsed the Clause under coni.
deration, afrAd condemned the whole of the system,
The House divided tipon_Mr. TIRIttsInX'S motion :

Mr. Secretary' NA' .itG thought that it was
"not peceiiary, 'on the present.oecasim, 'to proVe the
justice and necessity at the %vat. in which we wet*
engaged. It wps much. to be lamented, that, the
horrors of war usually Ott who were Ingo;
cent.of tin c.ttiscs at •it. If the Hen. Cattleman
(Mr. Whitbread) could, rind out a wL:y by which.
the bolt was only to 1'44 bpon the guilty heads of the
aothors'of the warii the world at large C'ettn,
try:Would be :Mich i4(lehret.l.t6 him until that
discovery j‘kas nimie, in every war
necessarily fall upon the innocent aucl and
by the consideration of those I ea.a.mities, a powerful
tnetuy was ofteirinduced to wish fOrpOce. The
General..whO cOnduets the attack of a city must;
while he coudats his. appreachens, anticipate v. nit
regret the pangs• and sutielings of the innocent in-
habitants ~ but that feeling should not be L.xclu,;tie
to him, but sitotildsbe at least as strong in the breast
of him who exposes the population of 'the town to
' attach calamities. He couldnoz see any thing, in the
prltielp:es of this Bill contrary to the practice :of mo-
' dui% war, and more e...pecially to such a.war as, we
were now engaged in. lie. thought the Honourable
Gentlernan must be 'coMpletely'inisitiformed, when
it hail been' represeMecl' to him 11:at Fnince had at
least two :.'ears stock of bark, as`weii as cite sugar.-
--lie coneeiVed. this •tO be incredible and iMpossible..
‘ln the artiole of sugar alone, there had been an in-
,trease44i :50 per cep t. within the last six weeks, and
•-fromlthat we might judge of the pressure which
would be occasioned on the Continent by preventing
the .supply.
-MK' WHITBREAD defended; with considerable
the opinion he bad-before stated. He in-
stanced .the non-execution of the French Decree for
giving no quarter, Us a 'proof that generosity', otten.did
more to oisarm Ail eneniy than stria. ret'alialion.—
.11m-had been lindierio;• among civilized natians;a:
degree of generosity.always pr/ictiseddn war to the
-sick unit iaatira7a. When, during the last, wa'r, Cadiz
',was visited with'ti peStilence, and' by;seme accident;
we threW some sliells Info it at that time, this aCt.
was •condetlitiel all -over Europe as most ungenerous
and ttrnetoiii. lit thongtitithe Act which was now
proposed to-the tionie must ex,..:ue at least tin equal
deeyee abhorrence, and•l!e, on that account, con-
miry to sound piili`y.
•i measoivXtinum.,
iriLBEICFORCE-w-as decided in his .trisign Joshua Gleitst.inesc (it too 13th Foot, is sup:4secicd.
Ilion against any prohibition of the'exportatiOn of .-C-Aptain F. L. Sean,' of Mauran's Regiment, is itipcfsea;tl,
}lark.. lite,did‘not expea that it WOuld be. ))Cil/g 4t)l'ent. without, teltve. "
The undermentioned Aopoilitmetits; QS-brat:din the
prihinetive of any advantage; . for this re;lisoil, that. of the •Ath of ar.:ll rtwi otn ut May. ittob
any LL-3-Iqieney. that...anici,..! would AKA ailed the Feb. have. not taken place ►
:troty.but thn inii3Oitants. The -inere'desire 39th Fo,,t, Thoituil Pe.arocke, GCtit. Ensign.
any aricie,vovid. induce-. an. Tad title,-Ensi'fin janies Bean to be Licottaikat.
9th Dina, Lieutenant George G.. Munro to Ile Captain sit a
uOinad,u- supply it. it were to be had at all; 'rho

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Ayes' '76--7Noe; 167-,-Majonty u'. •
While Strangers' were excluded, another division,
we understand, look place on the motion of Mr.
wiliTikap.Ao, for excepting Jesuits' bark :
Ayes' 78—Noes I 65--Majority 87.
When Strangers 'ere re-adtnitted, we found Sit
T. TURiON opposing that Cinuse in the Bill which
relatedto.:huport& from the Isand of St. Domingo.
He concluded with tnoving, thatA.rticles, the growth
and prothice of St.:Doiningo, imported into, thri
Country under Llcence, previous to the pass;ing
this Act,,,and -subsequent to 'the publication of the
Oriors in Council, shall be subject ro the -Dutii's
niz,ntioned in Schedules A. and B. of the Bill.
The motion, we .understand, was negatived.
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Strangers were - excluded fee 'some time; mi 46„
after some further discussion, wu understand the
Chairman reported progress, -and obtained leave to
sit again to-morrow (this day).
The other Orders of ' the Day were, then
postA of; and at half.past one o'clock the liouis
adjourned. _

From the LQIVDON G4ZETT,E,. Feb. ma, isu 3,