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ber of her Majesty's Government, (he believed Lord Mor-
peth) had stated that these exclamations had proceeded from
some drunken persons coming out of a public house—but
such was not the fact. The Noble Eart then went into a
statement of the circumstances connected with the murder
of Lord Norbury. as they have already been stated in the
papers. He had discontinued to act any further in the
case, in consequence cf having received a private letter,
which stated that he was a marked-out man, as having been
instrumental in having procured the committal of Macguire.
The Noble Earl then read a great number of docu-
ments, but in such a low tone of voice that they were alto-
gether inaudible in the gallery.
The NOBLE EARL proceeded to refer to the number of
persons who had been pardoned by the Noble Marquis, ob-
serving, that out of 104 individuals convicted, nineteen
were pardoned under surgeons' certificates, all of whom:had
been afterwards convicted of other offences. The Noble
Earl concluded by deprecating the course adopted by her
Majesty's Government.
The Marquis of NORMANBY explained.
The Earl of RO S SMO RE came before their Lordships
to remove from the peasantry of King's County the brand
fixed up in them by the Lord Lieutenant of that county.
They had never conspired together to murder their land.
lords. The Lord Lieutenant of that county had brought
forward no fact to justify such an accusation, or so sweep-
ing an assertion. A more industrious, loyal, or orderly set
of people than the peasantry of Tullamore, were not to be
• found in Ireland. The Noble Earl then read two letters
for the purpose of disproving the statement of Earl Char-
leville relative to the threats of the 'peasantry of Tullamore
and King's County. On the part of the people of Tulla-
more and the neighbouring county he would appeal to their
Lordships whether an accidental drunken affray, as this
appeared to have been, should be considered sufficient evi-
dence of the demoralization of the inhabitants of Tullamore ?
The Government of the Noble Marquis had been found
fault with for doing nothing to tranquillize that country,
but in his humble opinion Ireland was fast pro-
gressing in political convalescence.—( Hear, hear.)
He denied that crime had increased during the Noble
Marquis's administration. Ile would not attempt to fol-
law the Noble Earl ( Roden), through his luminous speech,
but he would tell that Noble Earl that there were
two classes of Protestants, one who would monopolize
all to themselves, and the ether who were willing and
anxious to share all their privileges with their fel.
low-subjects.—(llear, hear.) The Noble Earl was not
the representative of the latter class. He could assure the
House that Ireland could not be tranquillized by agitators
calling upon one party to trust in the Lord and keep their
powder dry.—( Hear, hear.) The Irish did not consider
that such language betokened any kind feeling towards
themselves. They were told that the Catholics were com-
b;ning to overturn the Protestant Establishment in Ire-
land—they were told so the other night by a Noble and
Lerrned Lord who himself had never been in Ireland. When
then Irish were told that they were a race of cowards and as-
sassins and worse than 11:n(3°os—when they were told they
were aliens in blood and religion, it was not to be expected
that such language should reconcile them to their lot.
Earl DONOUGIIMORE said he had told the Noble
Marquis that the common law of the land would not be
sufficient for his purposes, and had recommended him to
amend the Arms' Act, and Major Warburton, in the course
of one winder's day had found upwards of 100 stand
of arms a few months after. He did not think the Noble
Marquis was justified in entering into the particulars of the
Memorial of the Magistrates, and direct Mr. Drummond to
answer it with the bitterness he had done. It would be
impossible to tranquillize Ireland without amending the
Arms Act, and brieging in,not only the unregistered arms,
but the registered arms also, as they were frequently lent
out. The Judge at Clonmel haddrawn a frightful picture
of the state of the county at the Assizes last week. The
calendar contained several cases of murder, manslaughter,
and conspiracy. The Assistant Barrister of the county
of Tipperary had done every thing in his power to
suppress crime, and had it not beets for his exer.
tions it would be almost impossible to live in that county.
In the Memorial of the Magistrates of the 7th of
April they state that the Jury were acting under
terror, and that crime was increasing. The Noble Mar-
quis, to this memorial, answered, that all their complaints
were groundless, the Crown had not given up the right of
challenge, and that they were answerable fur all the out-
rages, from the manner in which they had used the rights
of property, by the expulsion of the cotter tenantry. Now
if the county was progressing in tranquillity, he would ask,
why was a Special Commission issued ? In three months
25 homicides had occurred. If juries did their duty, why
was the Commission issued? Because the Noble Marquis
could select a different set of jurymen. He agreed that
no matt should be challenged on account of his politics
or religion, but small publicans should have been chal-
lenged as they had been this year by the High Sheriff.
Another instance: On Saturday night week a pour old
named Hanley, aged eighty-four years, was murdered
within a mile and a half cf Nenagh, in the county Tippe-
rary. On the same night a man's house was attacked not
far off. On the 9th of March shots were fired into the
house of Mr. Ryan, whose brother, living in the town of
Fcthard, had taken a few acres. The aggressors threat-
ened to shoot the brother if he did not give up the land.
A few nights ago a shot was• fired into the house of the
Rev. Mr. Berestord, near Donoughmore. The shot carried
off the top of the couch on which his wife had just been
sitting, and if she had remained no doubt the shot would
have gone through her. That was another specimen of
progressive tranquillity, he supposed.--(Laughter, and
bear, hear.) Gentlemen in Tipperary could not now
live in the lower part of their houses. He (Lord
Donoughmore) would now refer to the recent
police appointments. He bad no doubt they would show
that the Noble Marquis had been grossly imposed upon.
There was a Mr. Wm. Slattery recently appointed to the
office of Chief Constable. He was about fifty years of
age : some years since he kept a whiskey shop in the town
of Tipperary ; he failed in business, and fled deeply in
debt to Messrs. Wise, the distillers in Cork, and carrying
off all the savings of several farmers. Was such an ap-
pointment judicious ?—(llcar, hear.) The next appoint-
ment was one William Walsh, of Clonmel, another broken
down whiskey seller; a men who had lived under his
(Lord D.'s) own nose.—(ldaughter.) This man was a
gutter agent—the worst description of person possible.—
( Greater laughter.) Ha was an affidavit man at elections.
This man had been convicted of selling spirits at illegal
hours, yet he had sworn that no police officer was worthy of
belief upon his oath.—(Hear, hear.) The next appoint-
ment was a Mr. Carter, who was selected in preference
to an old and Gallant Officer, named Reardon, who had
prosecuted a mamber of criminals to conviction. Mr. Car-
ter was a most respectable person, but he had never done
any public service. He was made a stipendiary Magistrate,
and most unfortunately for the Noble Marquis, he was
nearly connected by marriage with a Learned Gentleman
who had all the patronage of Ireland at his disposal.—
(Laughter.) The next appointment was Mr. O'Brien,
late apothecary, at Cashel; next a Paymaster of Police ;
and now Stipendiary Magistrates—(Laughter.) He was
appointed because there was a vacancy in the borough of
Cashel: he could put a Member of Parliament into it.—
(Laughter.) He (Lord D.) felt the greatest reluctance
and pain in making those charges.—( Laughter. )
The Marquis of NORMANBY replied. There could
not be a more efficient magistrate than Mr. O'Brien, though
he ( Lord Normanby) did not know his original situation. He
was not aware of Mr. Slattery's former situation ' • but there
was no reason to regret his appointment. With respect to
Mr.. Walsh, he believed that gentleman had received no
appointment.
Lord DONOUG M 0 R E —lt was stated at a public
dinner at Clonmel.