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London, England, 1863-10-29 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 29, 1863,

should, on the other hand, be remembered that as a
man sows so he will reap; that slavery was planted in
the midst of them, and that the United States had gone
on for years deriving all the benefit of the connexion.
Everbody felt that when slavery was touched the
Union must be dissolved. Washington himself in his
farewell address—the ficest State paper, perhaps,
ever written by human hand---had laid down in the
strongest terms the two principles that America
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should always cherish the Union and avoid those
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adhered to these injunctions ? No. The Americans
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hostility. American statesmen,he might add, ought
to have seen that one •
issue was joined on the ques-
tion of slavery, there were only two ways in which
the question could be settled, by the sword or separa-
tion. And what, he would ask, was the present
state of affairs in America ? Two nations almost as
distinct as could be, were there fighting ; the one
struggling for independence, the other for dominion.
The North, which had tolerated slavery for years,
now proclaimed that it was entering on a crusade
for the purpose of putting it down, actingsomewhat
on the principle of ladies of a certain character who
indulged in forbidden luxuries until they advanced
in years and then became the greatest prudes im-
aginable. (A laugh.) For his own part he objected
to the sword as a civilizer. Of all civilizers it was
the worst, and he must confess, notwithstanding
the arguments urged by a minister of the gospel,
equally eminent for his talent as for the horrible
doctrines which he has propounded in this country,
that there was nothing so barbarous in all history
that it might not be justified by the reasons which
were put forward in justification of the use of the
sword by North America to put down slavery. The
leaders of the Inquisition were no doubt equally
sincere in their endeavour to crush heresy ; but he
for one objected to such coercion. It might be all
very well when the American Union was established
that 3,000,000 of people should take their laws
from Washington, but now that there were
30,000,000 people, embracing a variety of opinions,
there might be very good reasons for dissatis-
faction on the part of a large portion of them with
the Government. For his own part he was the ad-
vocate of the South in the present contest because
they were fighting for independence—(cheers)—
because they were the weaker side, and because he
believed them to be honest and sincere. (Cheers.)
Was he, therefore, in favour of slavery ? No ; and
that was an evil which he was happy to think
would not survive the struggle. But, be that as it
might, the question between North and South was
one in which the English nation ought not in his
opinion to interfere. The Government were, he
thought, quite right in the course which they had
adopted with respect to it, and had acted very pro-
perly in detaining the steam rams about which there
had of late been so much discussion. The Foreign
Enlistment Act was not exactly framed to pre-
vent us sending ships to foreign nations, but
to prevent vessels from leaving our shores in such a
shape as to render them tantamount to vessels
equipped for war. Looking, then, at those steam
rams it would, he thought, be admitted that as they
were framed after that fashion they came within the
words of the law, as well as within the spirit in
which it was enacted. It would, therefore, require
some very strong arguments, now that the Govern-
ment had the power of stopping such vessels, to
justify them in proposing to alter our laws for the
purpose of pleasing any foreign nation whatever.
(Cheers). That was more particularly the case as
applied to America, seeing the way in which we
were treated, not only by the people of that coun-
try, but by her statesmen, and he for one should be
very loth to enter upon a policy of that character.
The hon. gentleman concluded his address by a
reference to one or two topics of local interest, and
had the satisfaction before the termination of the
proceedings of having a vote of confidence in him
passed by his constituents.

Your minds direct you to the performance of your duties,
and your own common-sense tells you that for the due per-
formance of those duties you must submit to the necessary
privations. Your own good sense must prepare you to come
out whenever your officers call you; you own good sense
must prepare you for strict obedience to your officers, with-
out which it is useless to pretend to be a military corps.
These are the difficulties that the volunteer army of Eng-
land have to overcome to keep up its discipline—namely, to
substitute their own sound common sense for that which in
the army and navy is merely strict obedienee toithe officers,
who, whether men of common sense or not, care little
about it so long as they bring their men to perform their
military duties. (Cheers.) Now, 1 commend you warmly,
and from my heart, as a body of loyal men, possessing that
sound sense which teaches you to know that the first
principle of military discipline is strict obedience. (Loud
applause.) And how much more difficult aro the duties of
the cavalry than those of the infantry, in having not only
to make themselves efficient and strict in discipline, bat to
train their horses also ? Now compare, for instance, the Life
Guards with a regiment of mounted volunteers. What is
the condition of the horses in the Life Guards ? They never
move out of their stables without perhaps seeing the
neighbouring horse alongside of them. These horse know
each other perfectly. But how is it with you? When your
horses come out of their stables they seldom see their neigh-
bour horses, and they are not accustomed to the regular
falling in, as the horses of the army are, two or three times
a day. These are the disadvantages under which you labour.
(Hear, hear.) Then how much more necessary is it that
there should be strict discipline among the volunteers, to
stimulate yourselves, and to drill your horses for the effi-
cient performance of their duties? Now, what does this
bring me to ? Why, that the only mode of discipline
of any value to the volunteer army of England is constant
practice. (Cheers.) Constant practice must be carried out
at the sacrifice of domestic comforts and the well-being of
the fireside, and long distances must be travelled to keep up,
that discipline which, in the day of need, is of such inesti-
mable value. (Applause.) What you require is a resolution
and determination on your part that you will gain that dis-
cipline by active exertion, that you will disci?line your own
minds to strict obedience to your officers, and that you will
not allow your corps to fall off because five or six men de-
cline occasionally to come to drill. (Cheers.) If you mean
to maintain your corps, if you mean to be what you are con-
sidered to be—the first cavalry corps in the United King-
dom, made so by the diligence and attention of the Duke of
Manchester—(loud cheering)--it must be by drilling your
own minds to strict obedience to your officers, and being
determined to be ready when the call is made upon you. I
conclude by thanking you again for the honour you have
done me. (Continuous cheering.)
After a short pause,

. .
Lord HARDWICKE again rose and proposed "The health
of the Duke of Manchester"—a nobleman who had distin-
guished himself by active exertion in the cause of his coun-
try's welfare in reference to the volunteer movement.
The whole assembly at once rose and drank the Duke's
health with the greatest enthusiasm.

On the Duke of MANCHESTER rising to respond he was
again loudly cheered. He said,—Comrades, lam indeed
very much honoured by the way in which you have received
the toast which the Lord-Lieutenant has asked you to drink.
I only hope I deserve half what he has said of me, though
it is quite evident that you think I deserve all that he has
said. (Applause,) Whatever I may have done, I could
not have earned a better reception than you have just
given to me. 1 must say it is gratifying to me to find that,
in endeavouring to do my duty, I have obtained the good
will and esteem of those who act with me. There are
times, as you know, when occasionally I express my con-
victions as to slight mistakes on parade, as it is my duty,
but I feel certain, from your reception of me to-
day that you have not the slightest ill-feeling towards me,
for whatever I may say while on duty. (Loud applause.)
Your own good sense and feeling must tell you that what-
ever I may say on parade arises from my anxiety to render
you an efficient and valuable body of men. Now, Ido not
think it is conceited in me to say that, considering the dis-
advantages under which you labour, you could not do bet-
ter. (Applause.) I would not, of course, compare an irre-
gular corps of volunteers with regularly drilled troops;
that would be absurd. But, under the circumstances, you
have to-day all done remarkably well, It has certainly
given me great satisfaction to find that you second my
efforts, and to hear from the Lord Lieutenant of this
county, that between us we have attained a certain amount
of success. I hope you will all remember and give strict
attention to what has been so well said to-day by the Lord
Lieutenant. (Cheers.) I never heard a better address
to Volunteers than he has given to us. (Applause.) We
have now A, B, and C troops in the Ist Light Horse, and
I am delighted to say that we have got on well together.
(Loud cheers.) I found you to be good comrades and good
friends, only desirous to know my wishes and intentions in
order to carry them out to the best of your endeavours.
(Applause.) But to-day we have had another body of men
for the first time (the 2d Cambridgeshire Mounted Rifles).
and I hope I shall get on with them as well as I have with
my own. (Cheers.) I wish you now to give them a hearty
welcome, and propose to you " Success and Prosperity to
the late 2d Cambridgeshire Mounted Rifles," who are now
the Cambridgeshire division of our corps.
Lieut. TOWGOOD acknowledged the toast.
The Duke of MANCHESTER then proposed the health of
Capt. Newton, who had so liberally entertained them.
Captain NEWTON returned thanks.

The health of Captain Heathcote, of the let Herts Rifle
Volunteers, having been proposed by the Duke of MAN.,
CHESTER, and that of the ladies by the Earl of HARD-
WICKE, the company left the tent to witness the competi-
tion for the prizes. The adjudication of the prizes was in-
trusted to the Hon. Col. Duncombe, whose decisions gave
entire satisfaction. Sergeant Mellor was declared to be
the winner of Captain Newton's sword.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.---Oct. 28.

(Before Mr. Commissioner Kerr.)

Alfred Edward Pountney, a young man of gentlemanly
appearance, was indicted for having committed perjury and
obtaining an affidavit for a marriage license by false pre-
tences.

The court was crowded during the trial, the utmost inte-
rest being evinced in the proceedings.
Mr. Gigarcl and Mr. Markly appeared to support the pro-
secution; the defendant was defended by Mr. Sleigh and
Mr. Poland.

' In opening the case Mr. Gifford said a great deal had been
said out of doors about the harshness of these proceedings,
but he could only say that his client, Mr. Cropley, the
father of the young woman, had his own reasons for prose-
cuting, and these reasons were best known to himself ; and
he would say:that if a father had not a right to prosecute in
such a case, what was the use of the act under which these
proceedings were instituted ? It was true the defendant and
the young lady had known each other for some considerable
time. The learned gentleman then proceeded to lay the
facts of the case before the jury, but having been so re-
cently before the public it will be unnecessary to recapitulate
them in detail here. No doubt, he said, efforts would be
made to raiso a spurious sympathy in the minds of those
present, but he would only say that the law must be obeyed,
whatever might be the feelings of the public on the matter.
In conclusion, he thought that it was only justice on the
part of the father in bringing the case before the Court; for
if paternal authority were put on one side, what would be-
come of young people in general ?
Mr. H. Watts then proved the prisoner coming to him on
the 19th August about the marriage licence, which set forth
that both parties were of full age—that the applicant had
resided 15 days in the parish of St. Bride's—and that he
knew of ne lawful impediment to the marriage. This affi-
davit was read over to him, and he swore to its truth, and
signed his name at the bottom.
Mr. Hatch Cropley, the father of the young lady, said his
daughter was named Eliza Cropley, and was 13 years of age
last July. In that month, in consequence of what he had
heard, he went to his mother-in-law, with whom his daugh-
ter had resided since she was 3 years of age, and there saw
the defendant. He spoke to him on the matter, and told
him that he must give up his engagement with his daugh-
ter, Pountney said he never would, as he loved her to dis-
traction. Pountney was a sorter at the post-office in Ely,
where all the parties resided. The reason he objected to the
marriage was, because his child was so young. On hearing
the defendant's declaration, he (witness) said he should take
the young lady home with him, and take care that theydid
not meet. His daughter was entitled to a third share of
£4OO, which was to become hers at 21 years of age.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sleigh—l know the prisoner was
acquainted with my daughter more than two years azo,snd
at that time I took her home to prevent their becoming
better acquainted. My daughter never told me that she
loved the prisoner to distraction, and that nothing but death
would part them. I told her I would take her away from
her grandmother, and keep her for two years ; but I did not.
tell her that I would lock her up. I told the prisoner not
to come on to my premises. lam not aware that the grand-
mother wanted them to get married, or that she made the
arrangements for their getting married. I have heard
that she gave them the money, but I do not know.
Mr. Charles Clements, a gentleman in the post-office at
Ely, gave evidence to prove that Pountney could not pos-
sibly have resided in the parish of St. Bride's for the space
of 15 days.
Mr. Sleigh said he did not see how the whole three counts
could be maintained. The first count, with regard to the age
of Mies Cropley (now Mrs. Pountney), ought, therefore, to
be struck out of the indictment. _ _

The learned Commissioner agreed with Mr. Sleigh, inas-
much as it could not be supported that the prisoner had
committed corrupt perjury in stating that Isliss Cropley was
21, as it could not be proved he knew her age to be only 18.
No doubt he did know it, but he ruled that that count could
not be maintained.

Mr. Sleigh then replied on behalf of his client, appealing
strongly to the feelings of the jury, urging that the offence
was not made out. No doubt the defendant had signed the
affidavit, but they must remember in what tribulation he
must have been at the time, having only just run away with
the object of his affections, and being, of course, in instant
fear of pursuit. Besides, was it usual on such occasions to
have the affidavits read slowly and distinctly over, or was it
not rather the practice to hurry them over as a meae matter
of form. And with regard to Mr. Cropley, it was perfectly
manifest that he was well aware this engagement had been

going on for three or four years past, and if the grandmother
with whom the girl had lived since her infancy, had not
thought Pountney a young man of position and character,
would she for a moment have allowed him to have paid his
addresses at all. It was obvious to every right minded-man
that she not only connived at this marriage, but that she had
actually given them the money to come to London and get
married. She must have been the best judge of defendant's
conduct, Did he look like a young man who would bring
evil on any girl—and did not his conduct in London look
like honesty and integrity. He had at once procured a licence
and married his young fiancee without allowing a single day
to pass. With regard to the sum of money which the prose-
cution alleged was the true reason of the marriage, did it
seem likely to them that a young manlike the prisoner would
sell himself for suoh a paltry sum as £133 6s Bd. No; it must
be as plain as daylight to them that he married from love and
love alone; and had not the father been so opposed to the
match the present proceedings would never have taken
place. In conclusion, the learned gentleman asked the jury
to return the defendant back to the arms of her who was so
anxiously awaiting the result of the trial, by giving a ver-
dict in his favour.

Mr. Commissioner Kerr then proceeded to sum up, point-
ing out the law in the case, and observed that whatever
might be the feelings of the jury they must do their !duty
in the matter. Until a child had reached full age there
could be no doubt that her father alone had the disposal of
her, and paternal authority must always be respected. He
did not see how they could well acquit the prisoner, unless
they believed he did not know the purport of the affidavit at
the time he signed it.
After half an hour's deliberation the jury returned a ver-
dict of Not Guilty.
The verdict was received with loud cheers, which were
speedily repressed, and the defendant quitted the dock amid
the congratulation of his friends.
(Before Mr. Justice Willes.)

In the case of Samuel Sobey, who was charged with ac-
cusing Andrew Cunningham of a certain heinous crime,
with intent to extort money,
Mr. Ribton said he felt somewhat in a dilemma, as the
prisoner in this case was prosecutor in another in which
Cunningham was prisoner on a charge of unlawfully as-
saulting Sobsy, with intent, &c. The learned gentleman
said he was somewhat in a difficulty as to which case
ought to be tried first. They could not both be tried
together, that was evident, as in the one case he prosecuted
and in the other he defended. The one was a felony, and
the other only a misdemeanour, therefore he asked his
lordship's advice.
The learned Judge, after an interview with Baron Martin,
in the Old Court, decided to try the misdemeanour first.
Andrew Cunningham, 61, coffee-house keeper, was then
placed at the bar, while Sobey quitted the dock, and took up
his position in the witness-box.
Mr. Ribton, Mr. Kemp, and Mr. Collins prosecuted, and
Mr. Metcalfe defended the prisoner Cunningham.
This charge was one of a very remarkable character, both
Sobey and Cunningham being respectively prosecutors and
prisoners. The facts have been fully before the public, but
it may be as well to give a brief recapitulation. Acccrding
to Sobey's evidence he was, on the 15th of October last,
it. Little Bridge-street, when the prisoner Cunningham as-
saulted him in the manner described, and afterwards left
him. Sobey, however, followed him as far as Ludgate •hill
and along Cheapside, when he gave him into custody for the
assault. Sobey admitted that he had afterwards gone to
the prisoner's house, and had taken a sovereign from him,
but this was not, he said, to hush up the matter.
A number of witnesses were called, and ultimately the
jury acquitted the prisoner.
Sobey and Cunningham now changed places,Sobey, whose
age is 22, being placed in the dock, and Cunningham going
into the witness box.

Mr. Metcalfe now prosecuted, while Mr. Ribton, Mr.
Collins, and Mr. Kemp defended.
Cunningham was then sworn, when he stated that on the
evening of the 15th of October he was passing along Lud-
gate-hill, when the prisoner Sobey came up to him and
tried to get his watch, and, on the prosecutor laying hold
of him, he stated that unless he let go and gave him some
money he would charge him with a certain offence.
Witness, having been convicted some time ago, and hav-
ing Buffeted twa months' imprisonment, on a charge of
having indecently assaulted a young man, and not wishing
to be again publicly charged, although innocent, gave
him ls. ; but they had not proceeded far together before
Sobey spoke to an officer, and he (witness) was taken
into custody. After the examination at the police-court
he was bailed out, when the prisoner went to him and
asked him to settle it. 'Witness having received his instruc-
tions, appeared to acquiesce, when the prisoner said he
must have £lOO. Witness said he could not give him so
much as that. Sobey then asked for £75, but ultimately
agreed to take £5O. Cunningham, acting under advice, then
produced a sovereign, which had been previously marked,
and tendered him that on account. Sobey took it and left,
promising to call again and receive the remainder the next
day. He was then apprehended, and the marked money
was found upon him.
In cross-examination, Cunningham denied that he had
ever been near the place mentioned. He supposed the pri-
soner must have heard of his former conviction, and thus
though to frighten him.
A number of witnesses were then called, whose examina-
tion lasted several hours, after which
Mr. Ribton addressed the jury at considerable length on
behalf of Sobey.
Mr. Justice Willes then summed up, leaving the case in
the hands of the jury. •
After about half an hour's deliberation a verdict of guilty
was returned, with a strong recommendation to mercy.
Mr. Justice Wilke, addressing the prisoner, told him he
had been convicted after a most patient hearing, and he
must say he entirely agreed with the verdict as returned by
the jury. Had it not been for the recommendation of the
jury the sentence would have been much more severe than
the one he was about to pass. Still the crime was of such
a serious nature that the punishment must of necessity be
heavy. The learned Judge then sentenced him to be kept
in penal servitude for the period of eight years.
The prisoner, who seemed appalled at this sentence, co-
vered his face with his hands, and moaned aloud, while his
mother, who was within hearing, fainted away, and had to
be led into the lobby.

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BAD DRAINAGE.—An inquiry was held by Mr. J.
Humphreys, coroner for East Middlesex, last.even-
ing, at the Butlers' Arms tavern, Butler-street, Green -
street, Bethnal-green, respecting the death of Juliette
Ware, aged 12 years. Susannah Ware, 8, George-street,
said that the deceased was the third child who had died
in that house within a fortnight. One child was now ill,
feeble and almost paralysed, and another had been seized
with illness, but had recovered Immediately on being sent
elsewhere. Her husband, a carpenter, was also attacked in
the same way. They were first sick, then generally there
was sore throat, and then fever. There was a very bad
smell from a drain under the back parlour. In the night-
time the effluvium was particularly bad. She complained to
the landlord (Mr. Wight), and he had the boards of the
parlour taken up and examined the rain pipes, which she
saw. The remedies never were of use long, and the land-
lord was quite at a " stand" to account for the smells.
There was no illness in the family before they came to re-
side in the house. The deceased was attended first by Dr.
Massingham and subsequently by Dr. Brotherton. She
died on Friday. The coroner said that there was a serious
loss of life, the cause of which it was of importance to dis-
cover. As the parish of Bethnal-green was at present
greatly agitated, he thought it was better to secure the ser-
vices of a medical gentleman of standing unconnected with
the parish to examine the premises and to make a posh
mortens examination of the body of the deceased, so as to
arrive at an unbiassed judgment as to the real cause of the
mortality in question. The professional gentleman to whom
he had intrusted the matter was not then ready with his
report, and the proceedings should therefore be adjourned.
When the jury visited the house in question the smell was
found to be most overpowering. Ocher children are stated
to have died in the immediate neighbourhood with the same
symptoms.

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