The Sun.
London, England, 1830-12-07 00:00:00

CHURCHES AND CHAPELS.

Mr% HUGHES HUGHES gave notice that on Thurs-
day he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend
the Act of the Bth of George IV., for Building and Re-
pairing► Churches and Chapels; and that on the same dui
he would move en Address to his Majesty for any opinion
that bad been given by the late Law•oflicers of the Crown
respecting the third section of that Act.

.
Vsrioun petitions were presented by several Hon. Mem
iks; and at a Quarter After Nine o'clock the House ad
jaunted.

TRIAL. OF THE EX-MINISTERS.

COURT OF PEERS.
INTERROGATORIXS or tint ACCUSED.

(Count PIEYItOgIOT continued.)
Admitting that tit Ordinances which you considered legal
wertFonlyext'asively dangerous, as you have always appeared to
believe; what motive could have been poweribl enough to induct
yt)ti to expose the Government of which you formed a Part and
even the Crown itself, to such a danger is very difficult for
me to give a 'smith° answer, Maine I could not do so without
revealing the opinions tApfessed in the Council, the votes given,
and the manner 113 which those votes may have been divided;
besides, I mitst r. peat what I believe I have already had ocea,.
sion tn retook, that it is essential to preserve the distinction lse-
'Omen the system itself and the ordinances which were subse-
quently Mimed to carry it into exeCutleh after its adoption. It
is easy to conceive the possibility of the votes being dillbrently di-
vided in the deliberations on those two points.
The !'otintil, then, was not unanimous on the system P
Ci,tinly hot.
Was it unanimous in the ordinances P—A tangible proof of
that fact exists in the signatures to them.
it is true that reproaches Calculated to give rise to a false
honour, were, if not directed, at least insinuated, against those
who 'Might reftise M sign T—lf this question be meant to imply a
ouppositlim that any such reproaches fell from the lips or pen of
any member of the Ministry, I have no knowledge Of any thing
of the kind. _

Ditt such a report emanate from a higher quarter than one of
your Colleagues F.'.l iiMnot recognize that supposition, mu, h less.
reply to it;
idler the signature of the ordinances, you must have foreseen
the clitticidties and even the dangers filch they Wonld meet with
in being carried into execution I find what part did you take in
the measures adopted to itosure their execution P—None what-
ever • and I may teen add, that no police report was laid before
me flet the :Kith of July
'A witting that you had no participation in those measures
which .were purely military, those relating to the jUdgMents
which would be rendered necessary by the legal or violent resist.
mice which would in fribly be opposed to the Government were
naturally within yourjurisdiction ; what did you ray or do on this
subject f—The judgments, properly so called, to be pronounced
soh* those who resisted, were not In the jurisdiction of the
Minister of the Interior ; nothing, however, was said or done on
that subject. '

You weld so well aware of the attadlinent, and even devotion,
of the ordinary tribininis to the right* established by the Contd..
tutimik that it is imposSible you could tave depended on their
support In the extra-legal course which you had adopted ; ono.
then kind ofjuatiee was therefore necessary ter yen; to a hat de..
cription of tribunal* did you intend to (Address yiairself P—The
possibility of applying to any other than the established tribiinals
never entered my mind, nor did 1 ever hear such an idea exprowed.
Did not the fact of declaring Paris in a state of siege imply, for
the ttiolnent r t least, the intention of resorting to courts-martial
Can the adoption of this measure in the centre of the Govern-
molt, and on the identical FINA in which all its powers Were
already so perfectly c rucentrated, he accounted for in any other
trimmer than the want of these courts martial P—That measure
was occasioned by it important and unforeseen event; it was
propped cni the evening of the 27th, and tulopted conditionally.
It Was dependent et the aspect which the capital might present
on the following morning. It was considered that it would be
perfectly justified, if the dlwrders of the preceding night.were
augmented by muncrottS and extended attacks. The pane- tie
only was determined on tin Tuesday; and it hail been agreed that
the Pi esident r.f the Council should take the King's orders the
1 tt day, 4u:cording to the then existing state of things. Be.
tw,-,11 the first deliberation and the signature of the ordinances,
I had no communication on the subject.
Now is it possible that you, formerly a Magistrate, were not
in the highest degree alarmed at the very thought of declaring
In a state sit siege, depriving the cspital of its magistrates
and authorities; and giving It up, witheut defence, to military
executions 1' Were the consequences of this measure expiruned
and discusced in the Council ?.--in the first place, the measure
was proposed as legal, and also as calculated to intimidate the
authors of the disturbance, and ai the most prompt method of
mestablishing order.
Ily whom was the ordin ince presented for the Royal Milne.
lure P.—All I can reply is, that it was not by me.
Do you know if the measures necessary to render that ordi-
nance known to the public, anti sufficiently apprise the people of
the necessity of submitting to it, were taken or were commanded
have heard that these measures were taken, but have no
personal knowledge of the fact.
Can you account for this extraordinary circumstance?—]t
arose from the manner in which Ili-used the day on Wednesday.
That day was one of those on which the Council was usually
held. Not having received at eleven o'clock any communication
whatever, I left the hotel of the Minister of the Interior for St.
Cloud, dressed in my costume as Minister, and with my }port-
folio wut. r the persuasion that the Council would be held as
tonal. I remained there a txmsbierable dine ; but only one of
my colleagnes having come with me, the Council was not held.
On leaving St. Cloud I learnt, merely as a matter of probability,
that my colleagues might be assembled at the Tuileries. I
thought it m_y duty to go and join them. On try arrival at the
Pavilion of Flora, I found 'myself deceived in my expectations.
No one was there. I, however, waited a long time, under the
supposition that they would assemble. I wise UM) informed,
that 0110 of my colleagues was in the opposite wing ofthe Palace.
I proceeded through the interior to the apartment indicated : it
was empty. I again waited a long time; enti It was not until
after the lapse of fieVeral hours that I fund out in what part of I
the Palace my colleagues wore assembled.

While you remained- at St. Cloudoathat day, did you see the
King, and was he intbrmed of the importance of the everts
which were passing at Paris 14-1 did see the King, and have no
reason redoubt his being informed of what was passing.
Did you bear at St. Cloud that Marshal Mannont had already
sent a report which might be considered alarming V—No„ I
did not.

It aPPears that none of the measures necessary to render the
declaration of Paris being in a state of siege known to the public,
were adopted or even commanded. How happens it that you, an
experienced Magistrate and the first administrative authority of
the kingdom did not fled the importance of those measures and
insist on their adoption P-1 have already toplied to nearly the
same question ; I was; and am still persuaded that those mea.
sures had been adopted. I learn now for the first time that any
doubt exists on the subject.
Did you, in your capacity of Minister of the Interior, give in-
structions to the Prefects of the Seine and of the Police that no
aunt should be any where employed against the citizens until
after the proclamations (aammatioso)presaibed by the IAW P Had
you a properunderstanding en this subject with the Commander
of the military forces 10—From a period antecedent to the com-
mencement of the acts of violence I had not had any comment.
cation with any of the persons indicated in the question ; more
partlenhirly with the military commanders.
Was it the opinion of the Ministers that, from the moment the
city was deelared in a state of siege, all duty of superintendence
on their part was at an end, and that they bud only to look on
and await the event P—it appeared to me to be their opinion that
the functions of Government continued, but that the adminis-
trative functions of every kind were concentrated in the person
of the Coinmender-in.Ch ief. . _ _

eminent reserved the power, and had it net
the intention of itself giving directions to this Commander-in-
Chief ?--;1,10 intention of this kind was either expressed or acted
tut in my presence:
It appears from all the depositions,. even from those of the
officers of the Judicial Police employed at this time in the
'quarters in which the roost important engagements took place,
that this formality,wat no where complied with, and that it had
not any where been ordered, How Can you excuse such an
omission know Nothing of these facts ; I deplore them
deeply. I have had no communication with the Prefect of Police
since the and, notwithstanding the depositions, I cannot
l"ct believe that the officers of the Judicial Police were guilty 4
such a detention aurn their duties.
Had you any knowledge or-the forty-five orders of arrest de-
livered on Tuesday, and directed against the journalists and
printers ? Was the order to issue thrill deliberated in the Council ?
have only anown the facts since the commencement of these
proceedings ; it was riever mentioned in the Council.
Had you say knowledge of the order given to the Cour Royale
to repair to the Toileries to tchrtinister justice P 'Was it not the
object of this order so prevent that Court either confirming the
Judgment which lied just been pronounced by the Tribunal of
Coomerce, or protecting, by its decrees, the citizens who had
beets despoiled of their privileges by the stew Ordinances
heard that the measure was adopted on the morning of Thurs-
day. The motives of it could not be those supposed by the ques-
tion, as thin is the fitit time i have beard of the judgment pro-
nounced by the Tribunal of Paris. kleede4 this measure was not
the result of a deliberation's!' the Government.

Ud you know who gave no Tuesday the first order to disperse
by force the crowds assembled at the Hotel des All :tires Etre°•
gores' the Place du ?Ads Royal, and the llourselC4 do not and.
could not know it, as I was all the tit!), either at St, Cloud or at
the Hotel de l'huerieur, without receiving any, communication
of what was passing:
When all the Ministers were assembled at the heed..quatters
at the 'l' uileries, do you know whether they met In Council and
deliberated once or several times P—No Council was held.

'then were not furnialmti with stiocessive accounts of the
hntoward evouta which were taking pike ; I only gathered
general anti yaps, account. (if them.
Had you any knowledge of the oration made in the courfe
IAW of neatlay by the. Definitive o hp Seine to Mateltel Mar-
mont, entreating him to put a atop the evils which wereaMiet.
in the capital I' Did M. de l'olignic commtinicate to you the

request made to him by the Marshal to bear these Deputies, and
his determination not to comply with ft P-1 was aware of the
epplitationi I was informed that thetie Deputies were at head-
quarters. I was not informed of thc details of the conference
with the Marshal. I was inforined of the refusal of M. de Po-
lignac and believed it to be grounded on the necessity of taking
the. King's orders.
Did any 'Member of the Ministry, after your return from St.
Cloud on Wednesday go there the same day to communic,te
the real state of affairs to the King P—l am not aware that any
one did so. • .

How happens it that at the close of that disastrous day, when
all the night was before you, it did not occur to any meralter of
the Council to take that step ?-•.The ordinary communication of
titeralacil with the King only, took place through the medium
of the President_ It w0u1d..., besides, have been perfectly useless
for me personally to take such a step, for the ei,itten reason that
the Marshal had not ta that time etniununicatcd to me any par.
denials of his militarfri> Init.
How did M. tie Polignac and the other Ministers at last come
to the determination on Thursday morning of going to SI
Cloud ?—I cannot give any precise answer as to M. de Polignac's
determination, but I can as to my own. The Marshal announced
his intention of informing tpe personally of his military position,
and of inducing me to go and comthimicate it to the King. He
did so, and 1 proptiled tit do all he wished. I departed imme-
diately for t!it. Cloud, *here I qulekly and faithfully executed
rodnission. At the moment I was leaving the Tuileries, I
held some important communications With Messrs. de Seinon.
vine and d'Argout, on the events of that unhappy day; these
gentlemen can give you an adeount of the sentiments with which
they found me animated.
The, resolution adopted by the King, in pursuance of the steps
taken by you and several o. hers, appears to have been come to
about eleven o'clock in the morning, and yet it was not carried
into execution until late in the evening: Is that delay to be
attributed to the influence Pt the Council of which you formed
a part ?—I am entirely ignorant of the causes of that delay; I
was not eVilit aware of its having existed, being convinced the
ettecution of the ordinance would immediately follows its sig-
nature.

Can you throw any light on the extraordinary circumstances of
the fires which, during the latter months of the existence of the
administration Of which you formed a part, devastated several
cantons of Normandy, and which took place in a manner which
it is difficult not to connect with the execution of some plan pro.
jested by deadly enemies ti the repose and happiness of France
—The fires in question had commenced long bettirc 'entered the
administration. I opened the deliberation of the first Council,
which took place atter I Was established in the Hotel of the Mi.
rffstry, by it report to the King upon these events. I proposed to
the King on the same day extensive and energetic measures ; his
Majesty adopted them without delay, and two regiments of the
guard were in consequence immediately sent into Normandy, and
the Lleut..Gen: M. Latour Foisaise was also sent there, invested
with extraordinary powers, I had is conference with that general
officer the next mbrning, and I hope he will not reins° to give evi.
dente as tb what paused. I also wrote daily with my own hand to
M, le Comte de Montlivant the Prefect du Calvados. I urgently
request that both that magistrate and DI: de Kersaint, Prefect do
Pthne, and M. d'Es' touniel, Prefect de la Manche, may be exa-
mined. I wish also that the instructions which I constantly gave
those magistrates may be collected and appended to the proceed.
itigi. It will there, I hope, be seen that I neglected nothing in,
my power to stay the progress of these calamities and discoter
the authors of them. In addition to my daily instructions, I
caused a reward to be Offered for the arrest of the authors and
instigators of those Crimes. I did more. I wrote with my own
hand to M. de Montlivant an order and authorization to come to
an understanding with the heads of the local judicial authorities,
and to promise pardon to the subordinate agents who had been
condemned, if they made any important disclosures which were
proved to be authentic This step on my part had been approved
by the Council and authorized by the King.