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IMPERIA L PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS.

TUESDAY, JUNE 21 .

The House in a Commiltee i t Privileges, was oc-
cupied for some time on the Roxburgh Peerage.
The Committee to sit again ou-Thursdiy next.
The Scotch Local Militia Bill, the Stipendiary
Curates' Bill, and some other public and ptivate
sills were brought up Iruni the Commons, and read
a first. time:
On the first reading of the Curates' Bill,
Lord ',AVM:Mt/ALE rose, and said, that he was

determined to oppose the Bill in all its stages. It
, was a Bill which went to give the Bishops an in-
crease of discretionary power, which-power they
:WQ re known already to have abused, so that the

present Bill would only tend to enallle them to
t extend that abuse in proportion as' their power was

extended;

The BISHOP of LONDON moved that the Bill be
printed. in a day or two, perhaps Ott Thursday,
he should appoint a day , fur the second reading of
;the Bill. ,He should, at present, offer DO ob.ierva-
`lions upon,what had just fallen from a Nellie Earl,
As abundant opportunities would occur of arguing
the merits of the Bill ih its future.stages.
The Bills on the table were then forwarded in
their respedive stages.
•
LOCAL MILITIA.
• On the motion that this Bill do pass,
Lord SSLattut renewed his objections to the mea-
sure. He wished .it to be confined to the age
between 18 and 19 ; and thus it would have the
effect of training the whole body of The youth of
Great Britain to the use of arms. He way anxious
the Bill should be freed from the inconvenience and
difficulties to which other measures_ of this na-
ture were' known by experience to be ale.
Above all, he wished to abolish the ballot;. with
that view he should move an amendment, to omit
.in. the preamble of the Bill the words, " ballotted
and." .

Lord STANHOPE supported the motion. He wag
desirous 'the Bill shoiild rest on the principle of the
Militia A6t,.:not on the principle of the modern
Aas. He wi,hed it to approach in its-nature to the
old posse comilatus of that great man King Alfred ;
that was the true ground on which to build on a
large scale the means' of defending
.the country
ag,Just invasion, the danger of which was more real
than many •people were disposed to imagine. Such
Was the kind of force most likely to make a solid and
secure opposition• to an invasion; not your large
standing armies. • Austria, Prussia, Italy, and all
the old Governments, which fell like nine-pins be.
lore the attack of the trench, had such armies ;
but they had not such a force as he thought should
and might now be organized in this country, and
on which alone it must rely for its defence and se-
curity.
'Lord ili.kurtsEssuaY observed, that the principle
of the old posse comitalus was excellent in theory;
but like most. other things which were very spe-
cious in theory, it was most inconvenient and in-
sufficient in practice. What the state' of the coun-
trynow: called for was, a force permanent in time of
peace and of war • and which by providing, such
permanent means of defence to co-operate with the
already existing force, would provide the means of
permanent resittance. to a permanent danger.' He
theretOre'did not see the use of he amendment.

Lord SIDMOUTII distinguished between thQ plan
of his noble Friend (Lard• Selkirk), and that re-
.

commended by the Noble Earl (Stanhope). Hitt
Noble Friend was for so modeling, the measure to
make it operate, while ,training, of the whole body
of the youth of the country to the use of arms. In
that plan he willhtly acquiesced ; but if the amend-
ment of his Noble Friend should be rejected, he
should give his support to the 'present Bill, as ap-
proNiitialing next Jo that which he thought would
best accomplish, the ohjecl which Government had
in which the nature of the times made in-
dispensably necessary.
After a few observations from Lord RADNOR,
Lord SatActax's amendMent was negatived without
a 7division.

Lord RAT)Non proposed an amendment to'secure
persons ballutted for in the Training At from serv-
ing in the Locall~liiici i.
This arnendineot, i; tier a few words from Lord
HAWEESEVRY and Liird STANHOPE, was also ne-
gatived, and the motion that the Bill do pass vi as
agreed to, end the Bill ordered to the House of
commons,

MR. PA LM ER'S REM UN ERATION BILL..
The Order of the Day being read,
Lord ELLioT rose, pursuant (0 the notice he had
given yesterday, to call the attention of their Lord-
ships to the Bill now-before them. He had bestow-

ed much attention on the nature of Mr. Palmer's
claims, and on the evidente which been ad.
duced lair and against them. After due consideration
of thee point., it
,as his opinion the dill ~ught to
be Erje‘-te and ht! !,ho uld conclude witita motion
to that effect. The Noble Lord then went into a
minute exatrinanan orMr. Palmer's contracts with
Mr..Pur, a loch be contended had in view future as
we;l ;oi past ,sert ices. Hu also asserted, :that Mr..
Paliwe, appointment was' during pleasure, and only
to continue as long as his conduct deserved approha-
`tint', as his exertions werc beneficial to the public. There was nothing, therefore, in the terms of the
eontrael un which to rest the claims which Mr. Pal-
mer now advanced. Besides, the concluet of Mr.
in several trawa6tions, was of a complexion
to merit ;he severest reprobation, and the forfeiture
of any condirions that might have been entered into
iii his fav/•ur.. On this head he would refer titer
Lordships to the evidence on the table, more parti-
cularly to, that of Mr. •Dmi,,, wh,) was, from his si-
.

turdiOo at the !hoe, hest etybled to be informed G 1
eery p;nnieul.ir i:oritie.tted with Mr. Palnlet's con-
,
tract. cvidtnct: ..w4s far fribm speaking very
strongly in 1;1r. Palmer's favndr. On ttivse grounds
it wits, he hod thought f)toperto hilt% forward his
present r:r trot surely from any private
mai% rt r.; will towards Mr. Palmer. iljs Bard-
ship conclodvd with moving that the.Bill.be
jetted.
:,ord isilornA, in supporting the claims of Mr. Pal -
niec, expressed himself sorry that Mr,' Pillmer had
ght them before tlu.:ir Lordships in their present
In: should rather haVe seen them appealed:
thc.matier in their judicial than ih their legis-

lative capacity. But as the bnsine,s riery stood, he
was at a lois to see the propriety of dispo,i.og,of it
in the manner now proposed. 'The evidence given,
befOrt the other goose of • Parliament was rliil4l
the teile of that House 'at their .10Tdship's,desire;
and a Committee had been appointed to tocaniihd
that evidence, and to cooler witii Mr. Long iipoo
He should make nu further observation upon that
Committee.; than that; in his a Noble Earl,
now high in his Majesty's Councils (Lord Camden),
should have been on that Comtnittee.- His evidence.
he should have preferred, to Mr. Long's; not that
he would impute any but. the purest motives, the
most upright intentions, to that Gentleman; but
fwcause from the part he had taken in the transaction
between Mr. Pitt and Mr. Palmer, he must neces-
sarily labour under some bias, and that even with--
out being himself conscious of it. F'or that reason
-it was that he should not lay so much stress on the
e‘idence of Mr. Long, as some other Noble Lords
might be disposed to do. Besides, it could be no-
secret that a powertiA party, and persons high in-
place, were rather indisposed towards Mr. Palmer :
and that he was-an individual supposed to be injured;
and •known to be unprote&ed. Taking
.211 the cir-
cumstances that accompanied the case, to treat the
matter as it was proposed by the Noble Baron would
have the appearance of injustice and oppression ; not -
certainly the reality. But still that was enough to
call for a serious consideration of the Bill, and the
evidence before the House;' fur if their Lordships
would-rejea the Bill without any such considera-
tions,- it was impossible they could do any thing
.rnore to lower thein in the estimation of the public.
He had rather.the Bill should be allowed, to expire.
He should- therefore. move that the House do now
adjourn.
Lord HARROWSY agreed with the Noble Earl that
Mr. Palmer would have done well not again to have
brought his claims before Parliament.' . They went
further than there was any proof or document to
justify. As to the evidence of Mr. Lung, it was,
the best that could posSibly have been produced;
because that Cientleman, whose honour and veracity6i
were acknowledged by -alkparties, was intimately
acquainted- with 'evety circutribtance of Mr. Vitt's
cotaract with Mr. Palmer.

Lord EnSKINE said, it was his opinion that the
nature of Mr. Palmer's contrua fully justified the
claims of that Gentleman. Nur was it his opinion
only, but that of men of such weight and name that
he should not venture, to compare hioLiell with.
them. ' kic thought their Luidshrps were bound in
honuur toexamine into the case, add not to dismiss
it in this 1113Ilper.

Lord WA t.st NGIIAM was for rejeaing the Bill, and
urged a variety of arguments in tivour of his opinion
upon the subject.
' .1111p.LOLD C%IL defended tha conduit Gf
Mr. Pitt with respect to Mr. Palmer. Na one could
believe that that great man would have acted as he
had done without the most satisfactory reasons tor
every 'step he had adopted.. He did not at all agree
with his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Er4tnie).,
nor with the Learned Persons to whom he-alluded,
to the binding nature of the coutraCt. He could
not help thinking that 'the opinion was taken up
upon light grounds." He should vote for rejeCting
the Bill. •

Lurd STAN HOPE would not say ,a word .for or
agaiiht Pahner: Thdt was not the queitti ii. hr-
fore the House; but whether, when an individual
.complitined, of injustice, 'and when grave opinions
were in his favour, the House should not eail fur
the opinion of the Judges upon the.question; ha
thought they should be consulted,'and in that per-
suasion he should vote,for the adjournment.:
Lord RADNOR was also ter the motion of ad,
journment.

Lord REDESDALt opposed-it, and after going
over many of the circolo,tances of life caw to
prove thin, Mr. Palmer had no just grOlitici of
claim, he declared that it concerned the dignity of
the House that the Bill he got. lid of as. speedily.
as possible.
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110,),5e then divided oh L-)rd Moittn's Ametld-
rnent.

Contents

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Nun-contents - - - - 34
Majunty . - - , --z4 •
The original Question that the 13111 be rejeaed
was then put and agreed to without a division.
After some routine business tae House adjourned
at ten o'clock.

ROUSE OF. COMMONS.

TUESDAY, JUNE 21.

The Paymaster General's Bill, the Warehousing
pill, the American Goods Bill, and the Loner), Bill,
were read a third time and passe&
Sir W. Stop obtained leave to bring in' n 'Bill
to extend the Provisions of the Act 45th of his pre-
sent Majesty, for the Encouragement of Seamen, sec.
He immediately brought in the Bill; which wiis read
a first time, and 'ordered to be .rea.l a second 'time
to-Morrow.

The. Woollen AEt Suspension Bill, the Lich.
Spirit* Bill, and the Wo,4,viuiv- Wa-tddr
were read a seet!nd time, and ordered to be coat-
mined to-morrow.

The Reports of the Welch Coal Bill; the Southern
Whale Fishery Bill, the Silk Duty Bill, the Vote of
Credit Bill, the Irish Ni.Dottgall'S Es-
tate Bill, the Irish Treasury were brought
up and agreed to; and the Bilis ordered to he lead 'a.
third .time to-morrow.

Mr. fiusKrasoN brought in • the Appropriarinn
Bill, which was read a tirNt time, and ordered'An be
read a second time to-morrow.

Mr, Husrcisso N presented an Account of the Ex-
pekes of Clod( h ( Uerlium Legion fin the ye4is
1895 and 1806. Ordered to lie on the tabl6. •
Mr. HU3!ztssoN obtaibed•leave to bring in a Bill
for the better regula;lon of the nmking of bags
pockets of hops.,
The Brazil To,tage 13111 i*.;ied through a Com-
mittee, the Report ut whieh was Olden:Ai to be re-
ceived to-morrow. •
‘vrEsT INDiEs.

Mr. EDEN envire,l‘vhether it was the nvention
of his Majcsty's Mininerh to found', (12 the It.-o,,rt
of the COMllli.lee ot. Ilitt'va.e of the \V, hi
trade, any tneahure e-xcept that of the dihnl
horn sugar that InaLbeen already before the 1101'4,2.
The eII'ANCI,OR of the Excli go,u vat replied,
t hat 'the Distillation Bill was n9t the only
ca!eulated to relieve' the, West India merchants,
lowering of the duties ott cutlet:* and the increase of

the duties on brandy,would have a similar tendency.
It was nut in the contemdlation of his Majesty's-Mi-
nisters to proporie other ineAsnre on the subject.
Mr. BA It nA at t lieu 'pee nii-ticti of a motion on
Thursday, respecting the state of the West India
Commerce.

The raeption of the RepOn of the Annuity Bill
was postponed, until tc-InUrrow. . .
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The kuuse went into the further consideration
of the Scotch Judicature Bill.—The Bill was re-
committed.

Mr. Holman objefted to the Clause enaliting that
no Appeals should be permitted from the luterlo-
cntory Judgments of the Court. of Session, without
the consent of the Court of Ordinacy. In this opi-
nion he was supported by Mr. Abercrombie. and Sir
S. Romil ; and opposed, by the Lord Advocate of
Scotland, the -Solicitor-General for Scotland, and
the Chancellor of the Exchequer. .
After a very long conversation, Sir S. ROMILLY
proposed an amendment to the Clatise that Appeals
should not be permitted, iu the following words :
" except where there is a ditference of • opinion
among the Judges."
• The SOLICITOR-GENERAL opposed the irnend-
silent, in a speech of some length, but after some
further conversation between ,Sir Samuel
,Romilly,
the Solicitor-General, and the Lord Advocate of
Scotland, the amendment was agreed to.
Mr. HORNER objeaed to that part of the Clause
which al lowed an Appeal where an interlocutory jOdg-
ntent may become final, and moved that that part at
the Clause should he. expunged. . .
Aker a few words Irons the LORD ADVOCATE of
SCOTLANU and Mr. ABEACROSIIIIE, the words were.
expunged. •
Mr..HoturEa proposed, that the Commissioners
for inquiring int() the Regulations and the Proceed-
ings of the Coarts in Scotland, and reporting hoW
far they may' admit of the. intro duation of the Trial
by Jury, in civil Causes in Scotland, should be ap-
pointed by Parliament,. and not by the Crown, and.
that they should report to..the Houses of Parliament.
• This Amendment was opposed by the LORD Alit
vocAra. of SCOTLAND, the CHANCELLOR of the Ex -
CHEQUER, and the SOLICITOR-GENREAL for SCOT-
LAND ; atidswas supported by Mr. WHITBREAD and
Mr. TIELINEY, when a division took place in the
Committee.•
, For the amendment, Ayes
• Against it, Noes - - 44
Majority - .
'The•AmendMent.or worse was lo4t.

The Report was ordered to to received to-morrow.
A message from the Lords declared their Lord-
ships' assent to the Loan Bill, the Vote of CLettif
Bill, the Irish Excilßill, the Barrack Accounts Bill,
the Smuggling Pftvention Bill, the Fishery Limn-
ragement Bill, the Hackney Coach Bill, the Ameri-
can Trade Bill, 'the West India Commi,sionets'
and several Private Bills, without any amendment,
and. to the May t q)oth College Bill, with ameudt»ents.