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London, England, 1808-02-17 00:00:00

HOUSE. OF COMMONS.

The House balloted fora Committee to take into
'consideration the Petition complaining of an undue
Return for the University of Dublin. The follow-
ing were the Members appointed :

The Itt. Hon. j. C. Villiers, Lord Ilrooke,
Sir T. 13. Thompson, Sir T. Featherstone, Dart. .
Hon. W. Elliot, I. Kingston, Esq. `.
D. Davenport, Esq. . E. 'Taylor, ESq.
H. Fynes, Esq. W. kirzhugh, Esq.
Sir W. Ogl.older, Hatt. . Sir T. I:. Winnington, Dart,
Hon. J. Simpson, •

NOMI N F.Zi.
Hon. G. Ponionby, I 1. M. ligry, Esq.

The Call of the noose WaS postponed till Thurs-
day
Mr. DENT gave notice, that on Thursday he
would move for certain Papers rehnive to Sir liome
Popham. _

-. Mr. 141:7snigGros immediately gave notice, that
on Thursday he would move for certain other Pa-
per, relative to Sir Home Popham.
- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER presented
from the bar an Account of the Trade Licences
granted by the Privy Council from the commence-
meat of Hostilities in May, 1803, to the end of No-
.
vember, li#o7.—Ordered to be printed.
The SECEETARY Of the ROYAL NAVAL ASYLUM
presented a List of the Appointment's,- and an Ac-
count of the Salartes, Perquisites, &c. thereunto be-
longing, in that Institution.—Ordered to be printed.
The SECRETARY at WAR presented Accounts of
.the Etiediie Strength of the Militia ; of the De-
sertions from the Regular Army, &c. which were
ordered to be printed:
Mr.• Rose brought up the Report of the Commit-
tee of Supply. The Resolution for raising the sum
of 0,400,0001. by Loans on Exchequer Bills, was
agreed to, and a Bill ordered accordingly.
The Bank Loan Bill, the Banlc Exchequer Bill,
wild the Petty Customs. Bill, were read a second
time, and ordered to be committed On Tlitiriday..
On the Motion, that the Malt and Pension Duty
Bill be read a third time; a long conversation en-
sued on the Clause by which GovernMent were em-
powered, by Means of Treasury Letters, to grant ex-
emptions to persons:holding certain offices from six-
pony and shilling stamp duties there particularized.
Mr. HORNER moved an Amendment of the Clause,
Which Amendment was supported by Sir John New-
port, Mr. Windham, and Lord Henry Petty, on the
ground that if those exemptions were proper, they
ought to take place by the operation of the law, and
not at the pteasure,of the Executive Government. The
Amendment was resisted byMr. Huskisson,Mr. Rose,
and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who contended,
that the pradice described in the Clause had long
existed, and that to•all intents and purposes the ef-
fed was practically the same as if the suggestion of
the Hon. Gentleatan Were adopted.
The AmendMent was then negatived with Out a
division.' "

in the 'Clauses, providing exemptions from the
Duck, to superannuated Sea Officers, or the Widows
of Sea Officeri, Sir•JOHN Nswroar proposed, by
way of Amdndment, to insert the words " or land,"
which was agreed to.

The Eilt ‘‘ll6 then, read a third dine, Arid passed.
On the Motion of Sir C. POLE, an humble Ad-
dreo was ordered to be :+tesentett to his Majesty,
firaying;-t that be would be graciously plcased 10 anise
to be laid before the House, such Revorts ot the
toranittee of Naval Revision as had been approv-
ed of, and ordered to be adopted by his Moje.iy in
Council.

Sir C..Pous gave notice, that on Friday he would
move for certain Papers respering the Royal Naval
Asylum.

COUNTY OF_ NORFOLK.
Wz,Notta34 rose to ask the Right Hon. Serra-
tary opposite questi'on. The Lord Lietuen.intey of
the Celllity of Norfolk had been some time vacant
by the death of Marquis Townsend. Considerable in-
conveniences arose from the delay m the appoint-
ment of a successor to the Noble Marquis ; such as
that no Commissiens could be signed for tlie
litia, &c. It would give groat satisfaClion to the
County, and allay considerable uneasiness and
anxiety, it the Right ,Hon. Secretary would declare
when it was likely that this inter-regnum would
cease, and what had occasioned the delay in the ar.
rangernent.

CASTLEHRAGH WAS unable to satisfy the Hon.
Gentleman on this subje6t, which was • connected
'with the Home Department.. At the-same time he
could not perceiver how the inconveniencies corn.
pluined of could exist.

Mr. POM&ONBY gave notice, that on Thursday
next he would move for the .production of certain
Papers relative to the Expedition to the Dar, lanelites.
PAPERS RELATIVE TI) THE RUSSIAN AND

AUSTRIAN MLDIATIONS.
Mr.-WHITBREAD rose to move for certain Pa-
pers, of which the House ought unquestionably to
be in possession, This necessity appeared to him to
be so obvious, that unless be had perceived in a
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite:an inclination to
dispute the pro fusion of Paper's. he could not have
conceived the possibility of any objeiaion to his Mo-
tion, and should have therefore refrained from trou-
bling the House with any preparatory observations.
In direct defiance and contradaion of what had
been said by that Right Hon. Gentleman last night,
he would distinfily assert, that the House of Com-
mons had an undoubted right to demand. from his
Majesty's Ministers,. all information by the produc-
tion of which the satbty or interests of the State

would not be endangered. Publicity was the es-
sence of the British Constitution. When any in-
formation. Was Withheld, it Was the exception, and
not the general rule. His Majesty's Ministers, after
the traneaCtions of last summer, had thought proper
to lay on the table .of the House, dispatches; extrads
of dispatches, official notes, Sm. for the purpose ,of
explaining those transaaionse Those Papers how-
ever were deficient. 'Fle now Candi] on them to
supply that deficiency. On his first Motion he,
would not particulaely dwell, because he had been
given to understand that it would not be opposed.--e
It was for ¶' an hunible Address to his Majesty,
praying that he would be graciously pleased to cause
to be laid before the House, Copies or Extraas of
any Instruaioas or Dispatches. from his Majesty's
Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, to
his Niejesty's Ministereit the Court of:Vienna, rela-
tive to the-offer made by Austria to mediate. between
Great Britain and France ; with any Answer that
- had been received thereto."—His second )Motion
was of paramount importance, it was for a Copy or
Extra& of any Dispatches from his Majesty's Mini-
' -ster ei the Court of St. Petersburgh, to his Majesty's
- Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, in-
closing the Communication made by the Emperor of
to Lord Hutchinson, in their conference of
the 23d of Auguste 1807, relative to the Peace cone.
chided between Russia and France,- and the offer
made by Russia to mediate between Great Britain
and France." The Right Hon. Secretary of State
for Foreign A ffeirs had last night declared, so boldly
and generally, that he would never consent to the
produelion of any communication such as that in-
cluded on this. Motion, that he (Mr. Whitbread)
would have despaired of convincing him of the pro-
, priety of giving way in the present instance, had not
that Right Hon. Gentlemen's Right Hon. and Learn-
ed 'Colleatue modified hiS own opinion on the
subjea, by allowing that circumstances might exist
in which it • would be advisable to produco such a
Paper. The Right Hon Gentleman had insinuated,
(bait was a breach of duty ine he Noble Lord, who
,was one of the parties in the conversation alluded to,
to give it publicity.—As if he were an accredited
Minister ! Not so. He was no more than a private,
but most diltinguished, individttal ; distinguished.
for his valour.; distinguished for his sound sense
and judgment ; distieteuished by every Gentlemanly
feelielewhieh could edam humarenature; in whom
the Enieeror of Russia had confided, and who,
wires knowledge and approbatioe of the accredited
Minister at the Court of St. Petersburgh, had held
-this conversation with the Emperor. The conver-
sation .was no secret. It was known tunny.
It 'might be referred to by all. It had :been con-
veyed, 'as he supposed,, by Lord G. L. Gower, 'to
Governnient at home. Majesty's Ministers
•would say that no such communication had been
made, there was an end to the question ; but if
such a communication lied been made, of which ,
he had nu doubt, why not put the House of COM-
mons in possession of it ? liord Hutchinson was
justly proud to avow it ; he had told it to all the
world. With respea to the other party in the
conversation, the Emperor of Russia, was it dis-
creditable to him ? Far from it. He had asked the
Noble Lord, whether he did not think him jus-
tified in making peace with France ? 'Whether: it
was poesible for him to do. more against France ?
He. had told the Noble Lord, that peace was neces-
sary for his safety; be had also told the Noble Lord ,
that he was •siticerely desirous. that England should
also be at peace, and assured him from his own
knowledge, that England could obtain peace on
honourable terms. Was not this a conversation,
the details of which it was most desirable tbr.
the House to procure, before the diScuseion on the
conduet of his Majesty's Ministers, which wee
(list approaching ;Wes there any thing indiscreet itt •
the condU:e of the prrsun who repeated this conver-
setion ? No; the Noble Lord had aeled most dise
ereetly. Ile knew well Hie hounds which delieacy
.and honour prescribed. That he did so was evident,
from the circumstance of there being. parts of that
ceneersatien on which he had maintained a profoued
secresy. But what light had the Right Hon. Gen-
iieCthe. others of indiscretion ? Amon, ova
rimy insteticee of eeeeis indiscretien Committed by it
former Administration (that of Lord Side:vent) on
the ruetitee teeth 'Frence), he would seem t, else' spe-
cimen, the publication
.of the oonfidential confer-
ence between the EMperor of Fr:lto:Le then time Firs
Consul, and Lord Whirworth, lierticulerly,.the last of,
thesteconferencee, in which the manner of the kirit
Consul heel beim described in a manner highly in
_decent, end mere especially when, it was considered
that the deseliptiotl could riot at that time be contra-
dieted. Besides, had pot time present Administration
recently commenicated, and most iodise:reedy com-
ITulllloledi.paits of conversations het ween Sovereign
Princes and persons at their Courts ? Hed they not
told the Country that Lord Strengfbrd bad declared
to the Prinee.•Reeent of Purtegel Britannia Ma-
jesty's " forgiveneeV for his having once thought
of acquiescing in the demands of France ? Had not
the cunvetsatton been published, held by that dint.
trioue 'personage the Crown Prince at Denmark,
with Mr. 'Jackson, in which he had expressed him-
self in such utiequivoeal terms of reprobation., on
the conded of this Country.? What could be more
indiscreet then the death of .Mr. Pitt, to throe,
can the table of 'the Horse all the Continemel Tree.
ties, &c. and• above all, the avowal of his senti-
ments made by the Arcleduke Charles to Sir A.
Paget ? He bad mentioned these faCts, to spew that
a charge of hedkeretion came with a very bed gene
from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. For
himself, he week' be the last man in the House to
propose the p:odueelieu of any PePer„, the discio-
sure of which would-ha prejteeeiel to the interests
of, the State ; bet lieenainta:eel, that t:N. oely eto-,
jeelion which coned be urged' to the prochWioil of
this Paper w"as, that it might be pre4heire to the
interests of his :',Tajesty'e Tkinistere. if it were eeld

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be would allow it ; Out he would contend, that -it
would he. more decorous for the House of Cont.
mons to have it on, their table, when it should be
adverted -to in the discussions about to take place.
On these grounds, he trusted the House would de..
eine in favour of his motion for this 'Paper, and that.
they would compel the Right Hon. Gortlernan.op.;
posite to produce it. There were other Papers tor
which 'he shOuld •.subsiequently move, and to the
production of whieh, he did not 'know whether
any, or what extent orobjetitcon, aisted on the
part of his Majesty's Government. They, were as
fellow A copy of the Answer that had been
Made by his Majesty's .Minister, at the Court of
Petersburgh, to the Note from Count Butlbera,
dated-the 30th of June, i 807 ; pr any Ingrotaions
that he had received on that subject,, from his Ma-
jesty's: Government."' H was scarcely possible to
supposeilhat the British Ainhass idor had nut re-
turned an answer to a Note -containing sot.'ll heavy
charges egaifiStithe British (77o'erninefit. It he had
'Doi,' let it be :maid so , if he had, let`the answer be
itroduced. • " A Copy of the Dispatches- from the
British' Minister to the Court of St. Petemburgh,
;transtilated to his Majesty's Principal Secretary of
State tor Foreign Affairs, containing a confirmation
*of the ass,:atmces alluded to in the Note from Lord
G. Gov, t:,r •to `Getwial Budberg,. dated. Memel,
2gth Iso7, referring to adeclaration made by
iris rtnperial Majesty at Tilsit, to the British Ambits-
tador, that no circumstances had occurred to weaken
attachinefit to Great Britain, -satisfied as he was

of tho honour and fidelity of inh 4ritannic Majesty."
" A Copy, or the stthitatn.e of any iissurances front
thin Cointry, communicated to the Coat of St.,
Peterhhor4h alter the colithiencement oftln_k Russian
war, Ivith respea o any diversion or the Continent
by Great iltitaitt, and paticalorly of the Dispatch(
.cottninnno,iting the assurances alluded to ht fits Nla-
iest,rs ; nstsnrance4, .which his Majesty
states, that Ihis Impertnl Majesty had received and
acknowledged. With apparent confidence .and satis-
fat.'t

L' h. GOWER WVIS chNirokts of hpeaking to

turn jsctints, lulled by the not!. Gentietuah. The
frA.wa:i with re7ord to TIH answer which he was

styptOed to have sent to General Budtaerg's note of
the 3trt+i June, IEO7. ;.That Note contain: char;es
vtf no heavy a nature-against the British Goern-
mem, that he had thought it his duty personally to
state, with respea, hut. at the same time witb cou-
r:t2,e, such reason: as occurred to hint in their jusii-
• ficaticm. He, had clone thin not merely from re-
sreAct for the charader of the late Adminibtration,
but frci:u the principle, thin, whatever party dif-
ferencvi might extSt at home, they ought not to influ-
ence the cOttchia of diplomatic .agents at foreign
Cools. He had therefore put the Emperor of
'Russia and )u • Ministers in possession at the

best ckfctice he could a►t (Ito nton+c•cst mal:e. Subse-

fluently ho had recoivißl from England copios of the
'cory,Y,p;:ititionce bot weep Alopeni and hi., Right
'ifou. rrit.Nd. Aiopeo,'i note contained charges

similar to (ii-)se coaveyed to:hitt:l4n the tmte tiritil

Gm.' Dv 12,udb;rg, difference—Al. 41o1ivui,
entered Into tt dw:ni, from which Gen, Budberg had
taw: tined: note ah'eldboratt: an-
swi,r ba'd been (.-Lit by tni 'tight Hon. Friend, which
reoin:tiood.:l 10;tei.ie.inee of the eontlud of his

11,11,j,t.t9's (4or%:rtinr,,tlt. At the first C9tlfercrice.
he INid t ttulister for Foreigh Atthrti,
- • .

oner.' the )."eeetition of this answer, he called his at-.
tclition to: itwcontenii, but. bad not I hokol, itecessa-
Tyi t > adit ituything of his own. As many Off he
might itno bent to Ei)gland of 111 C conversatioh en-

jiit ;i.l by Lord l'ioteilioson with the Etniieror of
.11.114sia, tho I DUrilli,; the period lAmt

ijuirl,ll,;oll had' boon with the .Itt.pisietil army, he

was in the habits of constant and lamiliar intercourse
•wiltribe I•(...rtil>:lor. It ‘vas therefore with great

tiata►:licatt bas found TAM nuichipion wli7 induced
frNio curiosity, to visa St. Petersburgli ;
tor Lnowing the noble Lord woold,have. many more

opporttinititTs of private interviews with the Lllll7C-
mr than' he (;4;14 Govier),, in ttid official situation,
expeii, he flattered himself theremilt,imghttie advaittageonsto the two Coun-
tries, liord Hiitchin!..oti,had communicated to hint
confidentiAlly: his conversation With thy:
htfl ecri4iiity he did not understand the noble Lord
meant tini conversation to be the subjeel, of a, public
tlio.iteli, Ilk! 111 W looker'upon it 146 the confulentild
I communication et ft Collfidentlill fle
had tlicretore inclosed it in a separate private letter
,Lo 1116 11it...01t I lon, Friend, not thinknne,, it right the

conhilential cohversation of the 1...4h :cur of 'Russia
with a private individual should be entered on the re-
cords ola public

iiir.Sefd-eittry C.l.,VilifiNl(,advevt.;ng to the tnate:
atu.l iLuport,lnt information just Couveycd to the
I totiso, ol)ervect,•by it ,1 great 1)34:t of the argument

of the iron-, tlentienoin opposite must becotThe Use-
hir l,e proanued that, addition to the reasons
the lion.,Gtmtleman was prepat;ed to urge on the
proprieiy of laying On the tolde every commtmication
whic:b a IolLir n6o%.crvigo might Itttv4 W44lpnzlecre4it.
ed Minister, he Vas not prepared to contend, it was
proper to lay on Coe table every Communication
for Otto dray have with nu unaccredited person.
tinitilit iin,tecd the tion..Gentioman had aban-
doned notice he had r•eittl in tile order-hook yes-
terday, ii,ituz.qt of a motion 0‘ tur the prodottion

firarcoliversOtioi3 that had: taken -1-11iictl,het‘tocen the
and an accro(oed porimtt."
WHITTIHEAD said he tuLaut th.)-at,:cre'dited