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jtsty, towards the close of the Session, respening a
Vote of Credit, Btc.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The Order- of the Day having been read for the
House resolving itself into a Committee of-Supply,
Mr. DUNDAB moved the reference to the said
Committee of the Report of the Committee on the
Affairs of the East India Company, together with
the Petition (tithe said Company.
After some objeetions stated by Lard FOLKSTONE,
and some observations. brMr. CREaVEY, the motion
was Rgreed to. . •
The House then resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply.
Mr. -Du s DAS having declared, theft the grounds
and reasons of his,motion were contained in. the Re-
port of the Committee, moved--
• " That a mini not exceeding pee million five hun-
dred thousand! pounds be granted to his-Majesty, to
'enable his -Majesty to pay the said sum to the United
Company of Merchants. trading ,to the East. Indies,
on account of expences incurred by ahem in the
public service."
Lord FOLKSTONE repeated his former obje&ions
to this grant, and moved as an amendment, to sub-
stitute for the words " one million five hupdred
'thousand Pounds," the wards K five pounds."
Mr. CEEEVEY expressed himself ready to vote
for the Motion, with the exception of one item*, Of
• one hundred and sixty-six thousand pounds.
'Mr. TIERNEY explained very clearly the claim
-which the Lompany possessed to the sum that it
was now proposed to vote to them, .and declares.'
that in his opinion, if the accounts had been referred
to a Master in Chancery, instead of to a Committee
of that House, the would have awarded a balance
more nearly approaching to four millions, than to
the sutra now proposed. •
Sir J. ANSTEUTIIER and Mr. WILBERFORCE 'fol-
lowed on the same side.
Alter a few word. from Lord FOLKSTONE, the
.A.rnendment was negatived without a division.
The Original motion was then put and carried.
The CHANCELLOR of the EiCIIEctUER moved that
a sum not exceeding three leandrect thousand pounds
biegranted to' his Majesty, for, the purpose of ena,,
Wing his Majesty to -make good the engagements
into which he had entered with• his Sicilian Majesty.
Mr. WIIITERE'AD, beti)re he could concur this.
motion, wished to. put several questions to the Right
Hon. Secretary opposite. They related to the re-
tern which his Sicilian Majesty,Was to make for the
Sum transmitted to him ; to the fortresses which it
was engaged he should retain ; 'and tO. the number
of men which it was stipUltited*the treaty should
be kept in • .
Mr: Secretary CANNING oh;er'vedi that the land-
ing of the troops in Naples in tede'had been effeeted
in conecquence of the wish of the. Russian Coral
tnaneer in Chief, and the,otders:of his Government.
And, •as the Neepolitatroverilment had so been
eneelee.xl in the war, it'. became the. duty of this
Coeetry 'to ass,ist that Government in the prosecu-
eon of it Under the circumstances of the times,
the King of Naples must,eifhet have; made common
eense with' France, or sided with us. And as the
l.rtter bad been the case, it was the interest of this.
Coontry to onibiti'him to defend Sicilrogainst the
The arrangement for thet purpose had
beee made 'in Igoe, bet the events of that year, as
Well. as of the Subserruetit year, after techange of
Adiiiiiii,Aration had taken place, had pret'ented-tliat
arrangement from being carried into title t. • Mr.
Dl'llllllll9lo, howeVer; had beta sent oin in 1806 to
votielede the Treaty ; and though no:effeCleal treaty
tad been ey.plieltly coticleded, 'the payitients mite-
cttiCtitly :Iqt:et! upon had been regularly 'Made to the
Sited:in tee ernine•,t, at the rate of 2.5,0u01. per
mantle ;n ter Lent Hoe ick, had succeeded Mr: Fok
'at the liorevi Ortice It was not until JUly last that
the l'featy agreed to by- Mr. Drell-16mnd, but eon-
taiaing articles which it was not thought right to
agree
~to, had been received... The Treaty died of
been'remitted baek to MT. Autemond, and
it was only lately,that it had ien icCeiLeo in such
a 4bape in which it was -deemed &per to 4ccedri
to it, The Right Him'. Gei`itlenitin suited,., hat
every necessary'exertion made by the Si-
.tlian Government for the defence or Sicily, and as-
serted that the fortress to which the Hon. ‘Geiele-
' roan att:iched so much important%; vas at present
gnrrisrned by British troops.
A conversation then ensued bet Ween Lord
14. poly, Mr. Whitbread; Mr. Suerotary Canning,
'Wilberforce, and Mr. Winilham, when Mr.
B mkec desired to know 'how the mottey antecedent-
-1;'
advanced to the King of Sic:ly had been,dispOsed
ot, to which
•
Mr. fiestetssos: replied, that the sums advanced
:lad been. provided out of the Vote of Credit, and
were accounted for in the Distribution Paper laid
tlefega PAriiament, The 'grant of 300,n001. was
then greed to, as a subsidy to his Sicilian Majesty.
I:IIe'‘.4itANCELLOR orate EXCUSQ.UBR then MOFed.
eirant of the sem of 50,0001. as air UldeMuiliea-
tion to the inhiabitants of Rodean in the Island of
Dominica, forfur the' losses they sustainer' in come-
eeenee of the hire inva.noe of that Island by the.

kliicus,ion.took place upon tilk question be;
tween Mr. Windban), Sir Wi;iiatu Alan-
niogi Mr. Tierney, Mr. Vprke,- Mr. Barham, ford'
'Temple, Lord Castlereagh, the 01the
Exchequeo, and Mr.' Poniinby 'after which the vote
'Wag agreed 16 wittiont-a.division.
Atter some filrther cotiversa.tion between Lord
c,ostiereagh, Debt: Harbarn, "ind Mr.. Windham; the
Besolettion WAB 'l:lgfeed to
. A rsum of 2 t ,0001.• was granted toy the-commis-
Sioners of Millafy Inquiry,' as a partial eetpunera-
tion for their services!. • •
A,surn.ol 14,0001. to.the Comtnisioners for dis-
tributing the Arniiricatt ecimpens:'n
`v.) the l'rustte9gof vie Riltish trtt, cu i. . . ;Coco°
F,,r,;epairitig tiled:lmages of Mar ..ate`l'ierhi the storm
of 1:.11Q...iry last . . • . ,• ~„ 5000
1101.YliEtra,1-IARBOUIt.
- •
Vor improving thu Dotit. of l iolyheact
Dia tot.li c•;tiniateii zxpcnce
lOh this v,,,te, suggested that the
ne'wly proposed goad to lielaiidAvas'--:flutich prefer-
ble.to that by Hoiyhea4,, and that thenew Harbour
T/mty'Clues was prelerabldto"that ,of titajyhead,
iNbich was, tact+, noharbOur.
.Attrtivit WELLtist.EY maintained that the
flarfi:)or o Holyhead Wifs• far soperior..
kflatileaT • (of Kerry) argued •to the's salve;
, , •

io,oot

Atter some conversation, in which Mr. PARNBLL
spoke in favour of the 'new Harbour, and ?qr. Fos-
TER in favour of Holyhead.
Mr. WARDELL supported Mr. Sheridan's idea, and
thought thelmoney ought not to be granted. '
Mr. WELLESLEY supported the Motion. Tim
estimate was framed on a plan approved of by ti,e
Committee on the case.

Mr. S: BOURNE supported the Resolution. The
'new Port was, in his knoWledge, in-a very danger-
ous Bay.
Lord TEMPLE thought the matter ought to be
referred to the opinion of seafaring men.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHRQURR said .a few
words in answer to Lord Temple, and waif...support-
ed by General Tarleton. • -- •
Mr. C. WINNE said the ResolUtion ought not to
rest merely on the opinions of 'the Holyhead Cap-
tains, and that a Committee ought to be appointed
to inquire into the relative merits of the two Har-
bours.

. Mr. SHERMAN, if the money was to be granted,
wished it to be applied in equal moieties to the
iMprovernent of both. Harbours.
Mr. Secretary CANNING ironically recommended
a flir trial of the experiMent, in which:passage the
greater number of Irish .Members, would 'be lost in
coming
,to this country; without any improvement
in either.

, Mr. SHERIDAN argued that there were other com-
modities of intercourse besides Members of Parlia7
ment,.and that even these should have their option.
He wished the Irish, Members whn. came to vote for
Catholic Emancipation, to take the safe way of the
new Harbour, the name of which he did pot know
(a laugh), and those who came to vote against that
tinestion, 'to come the hazardous way of.. Holy-
head.

Mr. HERBERT thought it desirable to improve
both Harbours.

Mr. BIDDHLPH spoke to the Mao dna.
Admiral HARVEY SClpported the Resolution.
Mr. BERESYDRD spoke on the same side._
Mr, WINDHAM wished the new Harbour to be
attended to.

The question being called for, the House divided.
For the Cracit for Holyhead - 132
Against it ' 48

Mr. LONG moved a grant of 75,2001. foe projed-
lag the improvements in and near both Houses of
P.irliament, and for the purchase of grounds in and
near Palace-yard, with a view to that objeel,,
Mr. WINDHAM thought it sufficient to grant a part
of this large sum at present, and was
,Sorryio say
the style of bullding.hitherto pursued was such as to
impress an idea of misery instead of:grandeur.
Mr. Lbw; agreed with the Right Honourable
Gentleman in condemning the, mock Gothic front
of the House of Lords. The remaining buildings
should be submitted to such judgment as would
sure abetter taste... .

Mr: 'ROSE agreed in condemning the present front
of the lionie'of Lords, • and recommended to have
it taken down to substitute -a better.

Mr SilinllDAN thought no new grant should be
made 'till care should be taken that the new expen-
diture did not get into the saute hands as/ the former.
present front Of the House of' Lords was some-
;thing like the appointment of Dr. Duigenan to the
Privy Council—every lane was.'ashamett of it, and
nobridy would avow himself the author of it. He
re4nrmi.,,v,dcd widoittg the improper appointment,
as t% ell as pulling Clown the miserable building.
Tim
~SvaAKets disclaimed for himself and other'
Commissioners' all share in the plan's° generally
condemned. The present' grant vas intended for
the purchase of buildings, t;•e vicinity of which was
thought disgraceful "to both Houses oll'arliament.
What biuldings, should be created m the place of
those, purchased would rest, not s ith the Commis.
sioners, .who only trasmed plans with proper assist.
ants, and submitted them to the Treasury. The
Treasury, it, the present case, referred the plans 'to
the House, which had referred them to the jittig..
mem of a Select Committee. As to Taxes., the Laud
Tax on the Ground purchased was repealed; . other
measures may
,be taken to prevent any additional
burthens on the inhabitants of the parish; by dimi.
Mshing the number of inhabited houses...,

Mr, 13ANKgs, though' he agreed in condemning
the new front of the House of Lords, would rather
endtire it than go the expence of building a new
one. He thnught the. whole sum of 75,,e001. would
not be wanted, and moved 45,2001. as an Amend-
ment.

Mr, WHITISR BAD, though' he
.had every wish
for mcononly, thought the present building so dis-
gracefol he would. vote for a new,one.
wished to know by who.se authority the Condemned
building was raised.

Mr. kosi said it was created by the Surveyor-
General of the Board of Works---be did not knoW
by whose authority.

After a few observations from Mr. HERBERT (of'
Kerry), Mr. WYNNE, and; Mr. S. BOURNS, Mr.
TtEaNty recommended the former Npettdi tore to
the iuveitigation of the committee of. Finance.:
I‘.lr. Ross stated, that-lhe, money thus exponded
had been regularly accounted for. There was no ob.
jeetion to refer it-to the examination of the Commit-
tee of Finance. ,

• Lord H. PETTY condemned the front of the
House of Lords, and denied all knowledge' Of the
plan. •

The SPEAKER said, a general order had been given
to comply with the wish expressed by the House of
Lords 'for additional' buildings. Nobody knew oily
thing of the plan till the building exhibited itself in
its present form.

Mr. HUSKIgSON stated, that in consequenat of the
difficulty the Board of Treasury found in, getting
proper accounti-from the Board of Works, measures
had recently been taken to put the great d:tpence of
that Board under proper controul.

. .
Mr. FREEMANTLE and Lord H. PETTY spoke Ata
the same et:l-th.

fevi,LEn thought the present buil4ing
graceta -

The CHANMLOR of the Excl.'EanEß preferred
the eye-sore of tife present building to the expence
of pulling it 'rob authority for pprchzming
ttie building was given in 1806, and' 1196 c.: wai
?given tow the holders in consequence.. 4.)41 tiffi
ground he tionght it right to vote the original wain
ol.75,20111,: The origin4i sum of "74,2001. Was voted
eceordingly.

• f.
alr ej. 1.105 i 43 TUB.TON moved the Grant
.of
,76,,,,01.
to Mr: PalcuOr, the,bilance of leis per cc:wage-co

the nett improved Reventie of the Post-Office, down
to the sth January, 1808.
Mr. Wysica declared the Grant to be' unwar-
rantable in every respe&. He thought.there should
be at least a deduaion" for the amount of the
Turnpike Duty, from which thv Mail Coaches
were exempted.
Lord H. Parry agreed with his Hon. Friend, but
thought Mr. Palmer entitled to a set-off fat-interest
on the arreit due to him.
Sir T. Ttntrobr thought Mr. Palmer entitled to
the consideration of interest, and also various other
'descriptions of set-off.
Mr. SHERIDAN argued against the ded'i&ion.
Mr. ROSE repeated some of his former arguments,
to prove that Mr. Palmer had broke his Compaft
with the Public.

Mr. HOLME SUMNER argued for the deduaion oa
account of Turnpike exemption.
A division took place :
kor the, 13 rapt of 54,ce01. . 93
Againat it . 73

On our return into the Gallery after the division
on Mr. Paltner's business, we found the House re-
sumed, and the SPEAkER in the Chair; and

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER seemed to
be adverting to the .Motion respecting Spain, of
which notice bad been given by a Right Hon.. Ge-
tleman (Mr. Sheridan) ; but with the purport and
scope Of which he prof!3sed himself not to be ac-.
quainted: He could not, therefore, but be anxioi,s to
know what was the objea of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman's. Motion, as, without that knowledge, it
could not be expeaed that in 'a matter of such deli-
cacy he should feel it proper to assent to any propo-
sition of such a tendency.
Mr. SHERIDAN thought it sufficient to observe,
that he had communicated the -substance of his in-
tended motion to his Right Honourable Friend, the
Secretary for Foreign Affairs, whose absence he had
DOW to regret, because he was. certain that had his
Right Honourable Friend been present, he would
have made no objeaion to the nature of the motion
lie. (Mr. Sheridan) had to propose. He had so
framed it,' that it was impossible the entertaining of
it could cause any public detriment, or expose Mi-
nisters to any violation of that discretion and secrecy
which it was their duty to observe in matters of this
sort. lint if that Right Hononrable Gentleman was
ignorant of the purport of his motion, that. was
only a new proof to-him of that 'shyness of comma-
nication which he had reason to believe existed be-
tween, that Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
'Perceval) and hip. Right Honourable Friend (Mr.
Canning), otherwise he cook' not account for, the
disapprobation VC hich the Right Honourable Gen
tleman had now manifested of any motion of the
nature he had intended to make, being brought un-_
der the consideration of the House.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Was not
aware of any good that could arise iNin the agitation
of such a subjea, and must only suppose that the
Obje6t of the Right. Hon. Gentleman, in making
such a motion, was merely to draw a speech from
one of his Majesty's Ministers.

Mr. WifyrßßEAn was anxious to dissuade his
Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Sheridan) from stir-
ring any inquiry into the affairs of Spain at so critical
and perilous a moment. In his opinion, every
matter of that kind, under the, peculiar circum-
stances of the moment, should be left entirely
and atcliAsively to the discretion of the Executive
Power.
_ .

Mr. SttastbAN was determined to persist in his
motion. It eoUld be prOdtglive of no evil, and
might give rise to much good. He felt the urgency,
of the business, and ,was therefore resolved not to
leave it to the slow and skulking hesitation of Mi-
nisters. As to the apprehensions of his. Hon.
,Friend (Mr. Whitbread), be was confident, that
not only he should be able to
.allay these aßpre-
betisions, 'bur that he• should moreover succeed in
convincing 'his Honourable Friend of the propriety
of the motion which he intended to -make., Mr.
SHitRIDAN. having thus persisted in ,his motion, it
was fix.ul it should be brought forward on Wed-
nesday 'next.
After some conversation between the PHANCEE-
Lon of the EXCHEQUER tind.Mr. BANKES, the latter
Gentleman postponed,
.till Wednesday, his motion
for referring .to the Committee of Ways and
Means the consideration. of the Question, Why
the property belonging to Foreigners in the British
Funds, should be exempted from the Tax on Pro-
perty, ?
DISTILLERIES.

The third trading of the Bill, prohibiting the
use of Grain in, Distilleries, was then moved, when
it was opposed by
Mr. D. GIDDY, Lord HENRY. PETTY, and Mr.
Wssrzatsr, as injurious to the Agricultural Interest,
and as subversive of the great principles estaolished
by the 3d and 4th of William and Mary..
• The. Question was then loudly called for, when
the House divided,
. .

Ayes
Nues

• • • • • 74
•.► • 34

The Home 'hiving- resolved itself into a Com-
mittee of Ways 'and, Means, Resolutions were pass-
ed, declaring the expediency of raising a certain
sum by way of Lottery, to consist of 60,000
Tickets, in one or more Lottery or Lotteries; the
other that 1-9-8 b should be levied off East lu-
dia Sugar imported into Ireland.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of, and the House adjourned at,' Three o'clock this
morning.