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ed that the Noble Earl alio sy.olie last had misrepre- there be before the anise an Aecgunt 01: t!!.,
s'ented what he had said. lie as-erted,, io cases of Revenues and Charges of Prime of WO•14. It4r*
information', t hat the oath of the accuser was known, for the years 1804-5., 1805.-ds and, of the EstiAl4l4'
but .).vlien an oath was 411 ten before a Grand Jury, 'of the same for he years 1800-7 and 1a0.7-s•.'
the 'person .who made tlr oatti could never be call- : These Papers were afterwards presented at Ow tikkr
ed iti question. --- - by Mr. Owen) and referred to the cox:nal-met; up
I.4)rdI;.atZDEIIDALE opposed the Bill, and contend- stairs On. India Aft:alit
•as, well as ordered, to t/s~
ed that the principles of it had pot been explained
L}-t.1.11101 The several 'Accounts. preset-lied on Monk tnt
Lci,,
rtt.,l-Ipt,t4p N also complained that the was Mr. Owen, relative to the..fte.enue, and Chair', °A'
til)P(.ll6i'able-• . the, lodia.Cnrapany;„..Sr.e. were, on the Molten of"
I. qoest ion waT th en-put; 'And-the- Hotilidivided. Mr. Dundas, ordered, te,,,,tbt committee
nurithers,vercz—For the•secondreading of the fairs above stairs. Y, •
Bill I 7---Against it4.—M-ajority 10. NAVAL CIIAN,LAENS, • •
• Tile Pill wa4 OK-11 read a second tirne, and Order- Mr. WARD, pursuant to notice, nioV,c4 for Arlo
ed, to be COMM; ited,on Thursday ,nex,t.r.,-Adjourned. obtained leave- to bring in . to the. Coln,
missioners and Governors of Greenwich, H 050.1,44
to procure a survey to be made of the llvint4. of Simag
•
Amp, in 'the County of. Nerthomberlarid, apd, fok
vesting in theM the'Revenues of m the sae, intilt
event Of the death. of the 'present Incumbent,; as weli
as-to prevent the lapse in the right of 144sq‘Alak414'
to thatliving, on that event.: - •
•
Sir CHARLES POLE seconded the Motion.,
~Mr.-Ittaataan obtained leave' to bring in A Bit/ t%
empower Grand, Juries in Ireland to-sell or dispAt
of the Ground occupied by old Quort tieuaes4 lat
Jails, in Ireland,
Mr. WARDELL gave notice, that he, should too
' morrow move for the production of, a Letter,- frottt
the Lords of the Treasury, dated the 0. gtb of March*
1808, relating to the clothing of the ttegtl.l4.k Art,
.COTTON. MAN,UkA.CTUttEItB.
Mr. '.Ross, pursuant to his notice, moved igt
leave to bring in a Bill to; regulate the.Wilfcesot
Persons. engaged. in 14,,t11.4n:efaetilre- ‘Qtt.qa
Wool.
A short discussion took place upon thia motkoha
in which Mr. Davies 'Giddy,' Mr. klertken,,
Milton, Sir Robert Peele, Mr. Thoinpson,,,.
Tierney, and Mr. W. Smith; Teprobated, the ptig-
ciple ctf attempting to fix: a minimum of eines
Any trade, and contended, that it e elicit of an,c44
measure would be' to enhance, the evil which it W
sought to remove, by obligifig the nr;iter, tr.4tottfac%
turers to give the whole of: their work to, their OA
men,' and to discharge the inferior ones.,
The
motives
of the gxeltarwEß dikillslo
to .the which had induced his Right Ho&
kriend to bring. the matter under the consider**
tiop of the Reuse; but agreeing; as he did, in 11l
principle laid down, by these, who had. vrecOlg
him, he could not consent to the 13,11 beipgjlroeiht
in, because that would give rise to expectations of ties
lief, which could ~sot Atterwayds be realizet'4, I.(tt",
measure, proposed were tv bv, carried into etfeCt,,a,
would, put a stop to that merciful dist rib:1)6(.11ot
employment which the master tio'naraetekers
Made,: in order notto discharger it'. possthlsz,, tioia
their men. The case of the parties-wasaleseryiAt
every aqention but the measure ropmed by WA.
Right 'hon. Friend would nut I,llbril'i hem the rviikf
AftetA.few words from Mr. ALEXANDER 1.1AE0,414
who charged the distreis.of the trittonfliCturers..apn4
the stagnation Of trade produced by the Orders.
Council, and from Mr. Henry. Lescelle,;;,,agliesi
principle of measure p.roposed,• .t4i.oe, wlt4
the permisSion of the liouse„ withdrttw his Motion..
Mr. Reiss ii leave to byino ip A OR
explain and amend severtl Atts rolatinetottke Woois
len Manufacture. The. Bill ll,' propose 4 to ietrodt,4
would be rounded on the Iteeorts orthecniornitteo
on ,the Acts in question,. aed %v out& go to adjeSt 0-4
disputes betweoa masters and woklimen, by regol4;y
ing the manner of employing machinery in the
nufae-tures, and also the number: of apprentices
may•bo-takeri.i. , •
After a feW elaervat.iens from Lord Altt.ToN, ‘10,3
allowed,that the•use of machinery lutist he adtloltoi
but hesitated at the*pi.opOiit.V.ni of a total repeal. of
the Stattye of I;l4,beth and frtitii Mr. W1;1-1,4*4
force, who. seemed to hate; 'a -similar ditti.cutly,loll
W 4 given 'to bring in
Mr. Iftsittssor: brought hi the Additional Slaril
Duty hill, ,which was reada first tint,...), it mit or4rCO
to be read a i6oond, time to-met-row.. , I
Ott the.: tOption of :11r,,Ros.e, the Cornroittee Pil
the<Pilots Bill was deferred to Monday; 'Mi. WO
.thouelit it rigit,t, to 6taje that. lieihad: -in view' In
to increase the number of Pilots he,ond the precept
established limit; the limit now existing was
Wished fitly years ago, -and-car:ld not pool*
.kt.
suificient for the prc,seut tinie,'wlitin the tininbcf,o
snipping was five glues* ,is at e.4t.:4 had .bet t. 111'':!1
Iva ans..ver to a question twin this hcr side'„ AV-g
Rose Said he did 10)t t:ire,lll'to jtjtql-fer Witloll‘. coi•
porate rights of I tie Pi,ots, otherwise•O;do inero.l
tag the innnher.

RO USE ,PF COMMONS:
THURSDAY, MAY 19.

Mr. Mq,Eoti. presented a' Petition frOrn the Free-
holders, Magistrates, and Varmers of the County
of Aoss, agaiust the inn:tided permission of the use
of Sugar and .M.olassetv in Vistilleries7—thdezed to,
he on. the table. . ,

The Dean and Forest Timber Plantation
Bill was brought up, read a first time, and ordered to
be rea4 a second time to-morrow.

1)/Tr. Edge, from the Court of King's Bench, pre-
sented a opy cat the Record in the Cause, Messrs.
Paxtons and against Sir Horne Popham and
others, pursuant to tha Order of the House.-;—Order-
ed to lie on the table and to be prin4ed.
Mr. LITTLETON put off' his notice of a Motion,
relative to the publication of Sentence's of Courts
Martial troni to.-ungiow ((his day) to, Monday
next. •

•CiAthier u.EI Moved the. second reading pf
the Bill for amending the lows relating to the Set-.
Clements of Paupers, the objeas of which he stated
to be the following :—As the Law now stood, a
person,. by renting a tenement at tOl. per year, or
by a purchase of a tenemeni for the consideration of
thirty pounds, became legally settled in,,a parish,
and it was proposed by this Bill to,taiake the amount
Of Mgt twenty pounds, and 'the consideration hi
a purchase one hundred pounds; in order to entitle
an individo to a legal. settlement ; it was also pro.
posed to enable the Magistrates to send Away Scotch
and Irish Vitupers when they shoWd izecome. charge-
able,

Mr. CURWEN thought that the Poor Laws ought
to be revised; but: deprecated any such partial rhea",
sure as the presdnt, which would only increase the
difficulty otauch revision. He thought it wouldalso
be cruel and oppressive to send away, to places
where they might have no f►iendls, the labouring
Scotch and Irish, who might have passed the best
part of their lives in assisting in the iturovemetit of
th►s Country, the moment' they becatne chargeable.
Be therefore moved, that the Bilk be read a. second
time this day six months. • ,
. .

My. bock boc:xHARTA though he did not approveorall
the principles. of the nieasuro, still hoped that the Bill
would be allowed to. go into a committee,. where
the provision might be confined. to the Clauses for-
raising the Amount of rent and consideration in a
purchase which was.td give, a settlement.
Mr. DAvias Ginvir, Mr. aoliN EA, Sir SA:4nm.
ROW-14N; and Mr, WHITIH!,*AD, opposed. the Bill,
on the ground that it was Most Unwise and. irupblitic
to increase the diiliculties. of obtaining settletnentsp,
and that the provisions respeding the reinnval of
Scotch and Irish Paupers were cruel, opprestk;
and unjust. •
Mr. GRAHAM supported the Bill, and.partictitarly
the latter clauses, on iliti‘gniund that they were De,
cessary !or the relief of the Northern CalticBA
which had whole ship loads of Irish. Panpers thrown
in upon them, iti.or4er to relieve:.the l'asishes inlre-
land,

General 11,toNTA0v observed, that no
ship loads of paupers had been bent frotri Ireland,
but those that had been sent, contrary to Law and
the Constitution, out of the count!), during the late
troubles.

Mr, Caoxitta stated, that there were km Poor Laws
in Ireland.
Colouel STANLEY replied, that,as the dill had been
Put into his hands, he bad tbotoa it his duty to take
the sense of the Hotise upon it.. After a feW Woriis
from

Sir RnAzirr BEJ4; to show that the subjea was
deserving of consideration, a 'divisiutl tc4itc Alice,
when the numbers were—,

li'or•the set ota reading no%+ -
For the Au eudineA T. .1.% I 4
1111jupity'
'l'he bill was, of course, lost. '
INDIA PAPEK.S.

Lord litNNlzzr4 .ryse pursua to the i
notice 11+
bad given sometime ago, to mike a motiott Pi!
subje,3 the Prct ious to moving 014
the House shonld go into a Coutinittcv, ite Would e*.'"
plain th nature of the ltesolutioti, ni,:ant to 414
in that Committee., find the tilture and cages of 101
changes made :in those Resolutions sine::: he 11:114
antinpnCed them. topics-in% 01v,.2(.1 in the Itopurir
were imporiant,and inometitous, and tic
therities among; thetv3seives the firi-to.
cipa! points. lle,catiitnittee'N'vas oppuait(4
first imtaare to consider of the Weans of atfoli.ling rB,l
lief to the West India,Proprietors and Merchants, WA
the order under which the Coinatiace assenl4l.ol
direaed the Comni'.t tee to inquire, whether the tOP4
immediate and etlettnai means of relief N'fAliti 9.4
be, to confine thellistilleries to the use &if I,oo'
and molasses alOPti In the course of ;hi.;
it became necessary to .ascertain lipw far tht
culture of the country would be affeEted by fivic 4
restriction, and this investigation led .to the kog'v'
ledge of facts which established
necessity of the restriCtion, exclusive of all .qmstideArA:
ation whatsoever of the interests of the West PY.P''
Y' It was impossible to separate the two,
tuns; but this he would aay, that neither he near
Conimittec. coup have recoMmended the Resolviti° •
they had done, if the Interest of the Country, must ink'
the wisdom t!hq
from those of flee West India 'Proprietors, had Pot ;13,1
the Opinion of the Committee rendered such mcas"et,
necessary, The Committee finding t hat this cPuldr•ri.,
was generally defiendant f:ir a stltliCient
'corn and flour upon foteip countries, ziod that
supply was cut otr in the present state of tiro(
•without prospe6t of a sufficient resoiirce in ;
last year's crop of this et/1,1141-y, tbouglit
.it right ati,.
A precaution against famine to s'op tile
iiorn corn, With a view IC) a more ample and saw.
Osladoty supply of sustenance fa the pcpplef
);;:,

Mr. Dutoas presented, pnrivant to
,Order of
die House, two enormous p.itc:ils of Papers rela-
tive to Indian Affairs. On moving-that'the Papers'
do lie on the table, the Hon. Mernhcr-ohserved, that
they bad beeif ordered with a view to the motion of
an Hon. Baronet, whom he. did not then see in his
place. But, as it could not be necessary that they
should all.be printed, at a bevy expence,
,he trusted
that neither the Hon. Baronet., nor any -other Hon.
Member,. would inove for their being printed,. with=
out giving (hie notice of sut n. motion, in Order that
the House might judge whether it would be expe,
dient toagree to such a 11/opinion:
Sir JOHN AxSTltUfilf,Ult triliCed that the lion.
Baronet would attend to the suggestion ut his light
Hon. Friend. The praaice of calling tor Papers,
and moving that inershould be printed, hadbecome
a growing grievance. No less than/51:10u- pages of
paper bad been mod ,fur with respect to the sub-
Jett of Indian Atraira, which produced an expence
in printing of from to 14.;0001. •If these Papers
should be printed, what Gentleman- would read
them )`

Mr. lieiNxits agreed with the Hon: Bart. that the
voluminous papers moved. for, and ordered to be
printed,• were, a growir,ig. evil. The expence of
printing for both }louses of Parliament last sessicmp
amounted to ninety thoei and pOundS.
Mr. WIIITRAE44 ogre ed, that notice should be
given of any motion fort he printing of these vole,
minous.papers, in order that'the Hotise might de.
cide whether it would be expedient to allow them to
be printed. He contend, however, that the ex,
pence shottld nor be anir censiderotiou with that
House, if the,. Papers weir necess9ry to any investi,
gation prosecuted by Qn ler of tlyitt -1-louse.—Thg
Papers were atm. ordered t o lie upon the' table.
Qrdered, vtr. 111t1 multi, a of Air. ,I4NpAs, that'