The Sun.
London, England, 1808-02-05 00:00:00

ORDERS IN COUNCIL.

Lard 4UtKi„4117.1) gave notice of his intention
• to make t Minion to-tpprrow respe6.ting
the, recent Ord6rs in Council. . P e wished •to be
1,6 a r;tood, that it was his intention, on making
this Motion, to .bring into discussion thp different
bearings of those Orders, as they related to Neutral
Powers, to Ceironeree, Mannfaaimis, &c. and he
fhoqict also take notice of what appeared to him to
be cc ntradietions 'in the Orders: ..He.said this in
order' that it might not be imPuted to him, that
there was any want of candour on big part and if
his Majesty's Ministeri wished for any further in-
tb,rnation reaspeCting the ObjeCl of his ,Motive,
was ready to give it.
AMERICA.
Lord'GriBIVVILLE; said he had a motion to
make, to which be WA
,not aware.there could be
any Qbjeaion. He had heard-with deep regret that
passage in his Majesty'S Speceh Which stated that
the President of the United States of America had
refused to ratify. the Treaty concluded with the
Atnerican Plenipotentiaries. If it were to be under,
stood that. the United States would ire satisfied with
nothing leis than; our .giving up
.our maritime
sights, he was-one of those who would contend that
we ought,rather to perish in the contest than giye
up 'would disable us from maintaining any
contest. He hoped, however, that thet'e yet re-
mained' the meatis of conciliatiOn consistent with
the true interests 'oe,bOth States.' It has said by
some, that Atnerica 'would lose much -.more by a
war with this Corintry, than thiS country could by
.11 war with America., The greater risk inisuch
ontest-might be incurred by the United States
but acalentation of the greater or,, less loss - to be
sustained in such a contest was one which' he could
not at all enter, into. Ho understood that there
was an- inaccuracy in that part of the Speech to
which he had alluded, and that the President of the
Unite States bad not the power of rejeCting the
Trvaiy, which could only be the,a4' of two-thirds
of i !le Senate. If this was the case, a new and
very important view would be 'opened with re-
spett to the Orders in Council, inasmuch as they
were a ,violation u; .two of the Articles of that 'Rea-
, ty.
aiThus,' notwithStanding the discussions' that
Treaty were still pending, as he believed; the Presi-
daot, not having rejeCted, or not haying thet power of
rejerktg the Treaty, Niinisters liad.advisedhis Ma-
es4 ,to ismie Orders Which violated two of the
ticisof that Tre:ity. He %V 9uld:not now-, hoWever,

entWinto the question respeeting the policy ef these.
objet' was to obtain an' Official Copy
'of the..Prosident's Message to Congress, in width
wa‘iiitnq:;:l the plan intended to be Pursued withre7
eounny, , ilis Lordship Ooneluded.by
moving for any Official Copy which might .have
of the Message froin- the President
at ii.tett States- to Congress, on the f.t7th of,
p3ober, i gO7,
L,o'd , li7KE,Vlurty Hilid, he would not suffer
t t be drawn by any observation of the Noble
,!, a premature discussion of thii subjea.
with't he Lord in; his
•> pl.-;,.!;:ve peace with the *United States of
erifiltl' be done consistently with the
iotcyc. Is of this Country: When the day should.
y ; 0 for the dici,:ussion of this import ant question, be
—ifident it would appear, that hit Majesty's.Go-
y‘i wilt bad adopted crery I.IIWSOIC that could tend,
to promote the reciprocal interests of both States, and
that Was consistent with the true interests of this
Couiqty, fie had no objeCtion to the Nolale Lord's
Motion
The Motion was ,agreed to, as was also another
rnotioo of Lord OiteNvit., for any 'information
that tolght have been received since, respeaing the
Lord ERSKINZ asked, whether the ee.ibargo
oh in the American Pons, was resorted to after
they had received the Orders in Council, or any
jj,ityrniatiOn of their nature, or of, the intention of
Ce British Government to issue such Orders
Lo'd. HdirKLVIVRY said, that IA Majesty's
• Gexcirnment had no reason to believe that the Ante.;
• rii•ati Government were informed of, the Orders in
Qotincil previous to laying on the Embargo, •
Lott ERSE:WE repeated his question, as to
whether the Am-,,rivan Government were informed
of the intention of issuing such Ordere?
answer was given.
NE,tITRAt.

Lard dUCK.Ivd ND moved for a Copy of the
Declarwion wade by the Negociation with America,
to the Pitqiipotentiatiefi of the United Suites, re-
spetAing the French Decree .of the 21st of. Novell),
her, 180. if Ministers would not grant the Paper,
)10 hoped that at least it might be all Owed to be used..
in debate, as it" w* a matter of notoriety. •
brird t.IIIOESI3IIIiY objodect to the produc-
tion Gf this Paper, it being •connated with the
Treaty, which had not yet' been laid before the
110,1se, and which, during the discussions-pending
with the United S4ttes, it might not' be politic to
produce. The:l44l3er might, however, be used in
debate.

' Lord HOLLAND commented on the generosity
of 'Noble Lords, On the other side, in allowing a
Paper to be,tised in debate, Which lutdAready been
ioubliAted• in every newspaper in Iluropc, and con-
tended. for produ&iont
The question was put and negatived.
Lord ROLLAND moved for. the produ6tion of
such information as might have been received from:
the Minister of any Neutral Power, or our Minister
Atnciica, respating'the-manner in which it was
lutended to execute the FrenclitDecree .of the 21st
of NoNmiTher, I t*,o6. Ho wati glad to hear fl'oru
thti 'Noble .;secretary of -State, that our Order, in
reouncil had not reached America previoni to .the
Embargo;' anct understanding that, on the 17th :of
September, the Frnell Government 'gave? different
‘,llV9natiou-cf 'Deere° from. tint previously ad-
llered' .titisraetf,h'iiiined' rigtootigly to execnt, it;
11Q• was'ie(.l. to hopi.; IhtietliFf.i.cOtirluapr the 'French
4!Overnment Mighrbe:the motive -for Ilia Latbargo.
• The 'n-Otion WflS agreCd to, aci were .nl-30 two oihei•
irwiOrlS of Lord Ho t.t.!.ND, for certain proceedings
tho Court of Adtniraity,