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n pursuance of orders received from General Evans, move
acme guns to a certain position. The Right Hon. Gentleman
stated that this was done in obedience to the orders of Ge-
neral Evans. He would not say that this might not, strictly
speaking, be the case ; but he would say, that in no accounts
which had reached the Government had such circumstance
been admitted. It was his firm conviction that neither upon
this nor any other occasion had there been any order trans-
mitted or given to a single officer, or to 'any of the men of
the British force. Such was his conviction, which was de-
rived from the reports of our own officers employed in that
service. He derived his information from the reports of an
officer on the coast, and an officer on General Evans's staff,
who expressed their belief to the same effect, that though un-
doubtedly troops were removed by order of our own officers,
it was done at the request only of General Evans.—( Hear,
hear, from the Opposition benches.) Why, Honourable Gen-
tlemen seemed to think that the admission of what he had
stated, that no order had in any case been given by General
Evans, or any officer in the service of the Queen of Spain, to
any of the British co-operative body, militated against his ar-
gument. But, on the other hand, did Hon. Members suppose
that when two bodies of men were co-operating together, the
one was not to act at the request of the other ? That was to
say, that between two persons acting for one common purpose,
there was to be no arrangement. It might be the opinion of
Hon. Gentlemen opposite, that two persons, to obtain a com-
mon object, should go different ways to work. But, so far as
be understood the meaning of the word " co-operation," it
consisted in two parties being in formal communication, and
acting with and in concert with each other. What, then, had
been the mode pf operations carried on on the north coast of
Spain ? He had distinctly stated that the Royal Marines, and
be believed the Artillery, engaged were not under the orders
of General Evans in any degree whatever. He stated this dis-
tinctly, and his account of the operations had been transmitted
by Lord Hay, not yet printed. The Right Hon. Gentleman
bad said that the Marines advanced seven miles into the inte-
rior of the country, whereas the utmost distance they could
have gone did not exceed three miles from the sea. It might,
perhaps, be said they were marched fifty miles, because they
were fifty miles from Santander. But the point from the ships
to where the troops were to be landed at St. Sebastian came,
and where the steamers were lying for them, was not more
from their ships than three miles. But, as he had before said,
whether it was a distance of three miles, of four, or of seven, it
seemed to him not to be a matter of importanee, and when he
came to read the documents which he held in his hand, he
thought the House would be of opinion that under no circum-
stances had this case of co-operation exceeded that which had
been resorted to on former occasions in respect to naval co-
operation. The first instance was that in which the Turkish
army co-operated with the British troops under the command
of Sir Sidney Smith, who did not confine himself to the mere
defence of Acre, but having advanced with a body of seamen
and marines, combined with a number of the advanced guard
of the Vizier, was occupied for not less than three or four days
marching across the desert ; and to prove that these seamen
and marines were engaged in military operations, the House
would allow him to read the concluding paragraph in the dis-
patch :—" A detachment of marines under Colonel Douglas,
Lieut.- Colonel Bromley, Captains Winter and Trotte, and
Mr. Thos. Smith, midshipman of the Tigre, accompanied an
Advanced boty of the army of the Grand Vizier from Gaza to
El Arish. The cheerful manner in which the detachment
from the British squadron performed their duty, exposed as
they were on the desert without tents, very ill fed, and with
only brackish water to drink, gained them the admiration of
tin! whole Ottoman army." He would now take the liberty
,of quoting zrother case, which must be familiar. The case
k,e alluded to was that of the co-operation of the squadron
esn2,se Admiral Lord Nelson with the Italian force for the
rellief of Naples, where an Honourable and Gallant Friend of
is vvon his proud honours. This was the dispatch to which
be referred the House :
Foudroyant, Naples Bay, July d 3, 1779.
. .

My Lord—Captains Troubridge and Hallowell, with
1,000 of the best men landed from the squadron, united with
4,000 other troops of various denominations, march against
.Capun to-morrow morning. " I have, &c.,
( Signed) " NELSON.

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-" Right Honourable Lord Keith, K. B."
Nese '.here were Honourable Gentlemen present who, from
their local knowledge, must know that the march from
Napteg Ray to Capua could not be less than eighteen or
twenty mies. If operations of naval force were to he restric,ed
to the shores of the sea, how would these transac:iens occur
iu whish so many officers had earned such well-merited
honours ? The nuestion of the Right Hon. Gentleman
v. as this—not whet-her we were at war or peace, but whether
thee the seamen and rrtsrines were employed at an undue dis-
tance from the sea. The real question, hoe ever, at issue was,
whether, under the articles contained in the Quadripartite
Tri,..tty we were bound to employ a naval force, and whether
;.he country had in any degree exceeded the proper limits.
But the experience of former times showed that this country
had only done that which she had always been in the }edit of
pr.-forming. He would mention one more case in illustra-
ti.m of his argument, a case in which we had co-operated
\vitt' the Spanish on the very coast of Spain, in which a part
of our force was now employed. The following was the do-
cument which bore on this case :—" Captain West sailed
from the citadel of Rosas at the head of Tee seamen and ma-
rhiee.of the Excellent, but were obliged, after succeeding in
their object of rescuing the Mequelits, by the superior force
of the French, especially in cavalry, to retire. Capt. West
bail a horse shot under him." Hut the co-operation of land
and naval forces bad all along been the practice of the service;
and ha particularly requested the attention of the House to an
application of Lord Hood for a portion of land forces to
co-operate with him on board the fleet in the attack on
Toulon. The application was acceded to ; a portion of
the land forces were sent on board, and co-operated
with the naval force in the capture of the town.
The following extract described the event to which
he referred :—" The Major-General still declining to
act, until the, arrival of an expected reinforcement 0f2,000 men
from Gibraltar, Lord Hood took on board that proportion of
land forces which had originally been ordered to serve on
board the fleet as marines ; and obtaining also two officers and
twenty privates of artillery, with some ordnance stores and in-
trenchment tools, under command of Captain Wilson, who bad
acquired from the army the title of brigadier, took the -town
after a long siege." If that was the case in former times, he
did not see what blame could be attached to Lord J. Hay or
the Government for adopting similar practices with regard to
Spain.—( Hear, hear.) He wished to know—looking at
the instances of co-operation which had been adduced—
what was the amount of co-operation the Spaniards had a
right to expect according to the terms of the treaty. All
the Spanish officers--most of the Spanish statesmen—nay,
many of the soldiers, knew that they had a right to expect
assistance, because they had been witnesses of what had
taken place, and had fought side by side with seamen when
they were acting, as now, against the common enemy.
Having received assistance before, they conceived that they
bad a right to receive it again ; and what would have
been the feelings of British officers, if it had been im-
posed on them as a duty to refuse aid when the
Spaniards demanded, and had a right to expect it? After the
examples which he had quoted, he trusted the House would
be ready and willing to believe that it had been the practice of
the service. The Right Hon. and Gallant Officer had stated
that the circumstance to which he had alluded was the first in-
stance in which naval forces had been so employed on land.
Now he would venture to say that no officer of the navy would,
for one moment, concur in the statement. If any officer, how-
ever, would support the doctrine that the naval and marine
forces were to be employed only on board ship in usual cases,
still he should say, looking at the stipulations of the treaty,
that he should have been sorry to see such a deep stain on the
honour of the country as a refusal to render assistance, agree-
ably to the terms of the quadruple treaty. He should vote
against the motion.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord FRANCIS EGERTON would leave it to Hon. Gen-
tlemen opposite to say, whether the course which the Noble
Lord opposite had pursued with regard to Spain, was either
sanctioned by Lord Grey, or was consistent with his policy.
He would contend that a contrary system was the policy, not
only of Lord Grey, but, at a former time, of Hon Mem-
bers who were now in power. When the Foreign Enlist-
nent Bill came under discussion, in 1819, he knew it was
nly a temporary measure, as an Honourable Member sug-
ested ; but if it was only temporary, then that was an
sgument for the repeal of it. He would, however, to show
hat was the opinion of a Noble Lord high in power, now
:ad an extract from a speech made on the Foreign Enlist-
,ent Bill in 1823. The Noble Lord to whom he alluded was
lee a Member of that House, and he expressed himself to
le following effect :—" With respect to the proposition be-
,re the House, however, he begged to say, that neither upon
ny general or particular ground was he prepared to vote for
he repeal of the Foreign Enlistment Bill. He was aware
iat, in former times, it had been the fashion for gentlemen
chivalrosts character to make campaigns in the service of
reign princes, and that bodies of men had been raised in this
iuntry to assist the Palatine, or the Protestants of France
al Holland; but the state of European politics was now
tinged?" These were the words of a Member of the other
cruse, who now sends men to Spain to get ribbons for ser-
.es performed under the measure he then condemned. These
re the words of the Hon. William Lamb.—(Cheers.) And
was at a loss to know what subsequent change had taken
ce which could justify the Noble Viscount in departing
m the principles which he advocated in 1823. He might
Iress also to gentlemen opposite the words of one to whom
y were accustomed to listen—a man from whose principles
did not believe the Noble Lord would avow his departure
le alluded to Mr. Canning. Mr. Canning, on that oc- ,
ion, expressed his opinion as to active interference in
sin in the following words :—" So that here at least no
y strong temptation is held out to induce the co-operation
the military spirit, skill, and enterprise of this country in
pport of the Spanish cause. I have also reason to form
is opinion from a recollection of what took place on former
d no very distant occasions. When the army of England
t fought in Spain, they fought in favour of a united people
inst a foreign and a common foe. How altered is the case

present ! Who is there- who could wish to see Englishmen
-.on entering the Spanish territory opposed not to the foes' of
Spain, but directing their bayonets against Spanish bosoms ?
Vs, I confess, is a sight which I would rather not witness."
were our Marines directed against a common and a fo-
'ln foe ?—( Hear, hear.) How different was the case now
Ilk that to which Mr. Canning alluded? But it was con-
aed that, even independent of instructions, it was the duty
Marines to render assistance, and that too in a dubious
when no one could find out from the Noble Lord
CaCe; we were at vl,ar or not.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.")
to ught such a line of policy was a cheat on the country,
th "Ist naval co-operation had been sanctioned on a forced
matuction of one of the articles of the treaty.—( Hear. )
case might have been made out, if only the usua.}
by kment of 'Marines had been on board—the usual com-
nt, he believed, for each vessel was from thirty to forty
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e h, but now that was raised to 400 Marines.—( Hear, hear,
car.) If that was saactioned by the articles of the treaty,
might not, on the same grounds, a battalion of the foot guards
have been sent out ?—( Hear, hear.) As a civilian he could
not take upon himself to criticise the military conduct of Gen.
Evans. He believed he was as brave an officer as ever existed,
and as to his skill, it was riot for him to detract from it in a
case of misfortune to which any one was liable. Now Gen.
Evans, it was natural to suppose, must be suffering under the
late unexpected and painful discomfiture, and probably may
attempt some desperate blow to retrieve the character of his
men. Now were the British Marines to run their heads against
every danger to accomplish an object for which he would risk
his life? If General Evans, for instance, were to undertake
the desperate and bloody enterprise of re-taking Oriamendi,
or Hernani, were the British Marines to be employed in as-
sisting him ? These attacks might retrieve what the Legion
had lost ; but would such a step, when the period of service
whs nearly expired, contribute much to the great object
which the Noble Lord had in view ? There could be no doubt
now that both Gen. Evans and the Noble Lord had been ut-
terly deluded as to the prospects of the enterprise; they
thought it was an enterprise easy and rapid, and that the general
and his men were speedily to return to this country crowned
with victory. Then it might ,become a question of some im-
portance what was to become of that army, disciplined in a
hurry, fed by a Spanish commissariat, and paid by a Spanish
treasury.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord was bound to con-
sider what was the present situation of that force, and what
was likely to be its condition on returning to this country.
But for the loss of 700 men at Vittoria, and the further losses
which had since diminished their numbers greatly, he pro- '
fessed himself at a loss to know what would have become of
them. From what he knew of the condition of those indivi-
duals, he felt some doubt and difficulty as to what might be
their condition on their return to this country. He thought
that a consideration not to be omitted in the discussion of this
question.--(Hear, hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman who
spoke on the opposite side of the House had accused the
supporters of the motion brought forward by the Gallant
Officer (Sir H. Hardinge) of being the friends of Don Car-
los. He (Lord F. Egerton) did not rank himself amongst
the friends of that individual. But when he found this country
aiding in a desperate contest carried on against the pre-
tensions of Don Carlos, he thought he had a right to
inquire into the justice of the canse we were supporting.
—( Hear, hear, hear.) He wished this country to do every
thing in its power to promote the establishment of a rational,
a stable, and to be stable necessarily a strong Government in
Spain.—( Hear, hear.) But he confessed he was not so de-
voted to the cause of the Constitution as to fancy that he saw
in it the elements either of strength or stability. The Con-
stitution under Mendizabal appeared to him to be similar in
almost every respect to that of 1821, which the French in 1823
I interfered to put down. On the 12th of January, 1836, Major
Richardson wrote in these terms :—" The game is now nearly
up with Don Carlos. From Pampeluna to Medina del Pomar
the cordon has been established, which shuts him completely
into the mountains ; and as we shall move slowly and gra-
dually on, driving them before us, Estella, Durango, and what
few other places of any strength they at present hold must of
necessity fall into our hands, until, in the end, they will not
have a single roof under which to shelter themselves, or a
depot whence to draw their supplies." Very slow and gra-
dual indeed had been the progress of the British arms to-
wards the accomplishment of the anticipated end.--( Hear,
hear, hear.) The Carlists had still their strong towns in
which to shelter themselves, and their mountain depots whence
to draw their supplies.—( Hear, hear.) This letter of
Major Richardson was written before the troops began to
die at Vittoria. It was followed by another letter dated the
19th of January, only seven days afterwards, in which Aker
Richardson says :—" This day the Spanish and English head-
quarters returned to Vittoria ; the several divisions of the
combined army havinsr fallen back upon the villages they had
previously occupied." (Opposition cheers.) He merely
quoted these extracts to show how suddenly the sanguine
anticipations even of experienced military men had been re-
versed in the course of this singular and disastrous warfare.—
( Hear, hear.) He confessed that this circumstance had
created a strong feeling in Lis mind.—( Hear, hear.) Ile did
not believe that the attempt to deprive the Spanish people of
their peculiar priviliges would be successful. The tide of war
might flow through their peaceful valleys, and overwhelming
powers might for a while withhold from them that to which
they were most strongly attached; but the time would as cer-
tinily come around when they would re-assert what they con-
ceived to be their rights, and when those who had interfered

would find that their labour had been lost.
Mr. O'CONN E L L thought that the Noble Lord stood in
a position that might well be envied. He was not the friend
of Don Carlos—oh, no ; nor alas he the enemy of Don Carlos
--he was only the enemy of the enemies of Don Carlos
(Hear.) That was the position that the Noble Lord took in
assailing the British Legion.—( Hear.) In the same way the
Noble Lord was not friendly to the Orange faction in Ireland
—(oh, oh)—but only the enemy of the enemies of that fac-
tion —( Renewed cries of " Oh," and " Hear, bear.") The
Noble Lord was perfectly consistent; he refused to ameliorate
the institutions of Ireland, and he protested against the ame-
lioration of the institutions of Spain.—( Hear, hear.) And
the Noble Lord's ieformetion was ever/ way worthy of his
consistency. He gave the House a long account of his con-
versations in France with the wandering deserters whom lie
found there from Spain, and he told the House what severe
censures those high authorities had passed upon the conduct
of the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs.--( Loud
laughter.) He (Mr. O'Connell) thought that the Noble
Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs could really very well
afford to put up with the censures of the men who had de-
serted from the Legion at St. Sebastian. The Noble Lord's
(F. Egerton) next observation was upon the Foreign En-
listment Act. One would think that in discussing that
Act, the right place to look for the principle of it would
be in the debates of 1819, when the Act was passed. But
the Noble Lord came to 1823 to ascertain the reason why
the Act was passed in 1819.—( Hear, hear.) The British
Legion now in Spain had had the misfortune to sustain a de-
feat. The Hon. Gentlemen opposite took every advantage of
the mischance. The valour that the Legion had displayed on
many previous occasions was totally forgotten, as well by the
Gallant officer who brought the subject forward, as by all who
had followed him on that side of the House.---( Hear, hear.)
The many fights in which they had done honour to the Bri-
tish and Irish names were totally forgotten.—( Hear.) After
two or three days of hard and gallant fighting they were at
last defeated, and not a moment was lost by the Hon. Gen-
tlemen opposite in taking advantage of it.—( Hear.) The
Noble Eord (Lord F. Egerton) told them that he believed
General Evans, to whose courage he had paid a great tri-
bute, meditated some great blow to retrieve the honour of
the British. Oh, if the House interfered to prevent the blow,
let it not be upon the ground put forward by the Noble
Lord that it would expose the corps of British marines
to too much danger--( Hear, hear, hear.) Let it not be
upon such a ground as that.—(Hear.) It had been said
that there had been a cheat practised in the assistance fur-
nished to the Liberal cause in Spain. There were political
cheats of another kind.—(Loud and long-continued cheering
from the Opposition.) It recurred to him that there was a
political cheat in the conduct of the Hon. Gentleman oppo-
site. They came forward under the pretence of neutrality,
really and in truth to sustain the cause of a man whose cha-
racter was of that kind that few would acknowledge themselves
his direct supporters.—( Hear, hear, hear.) It would have
been well, he thought, if the Gallant Officer had reserved his
observations until General Evans was present to answer for
himself and his troops.—( Hear, hear.) No man knew better
than his Gallant Friend how to defend himself. Fearless as
the Gallant Officer (Sir H. Hardinge) opposite was, he (Mr.
O'Connell) could not help remembering that in a former con.
test in that house with General Evans the Gallant Officer had
not the best of the argument.—( Hear, hear.) Therefore to
attack that Gallant Friend of his (Mr. O'Connell) in his
absence was not fair.—( Oh, oh.) Oh, to be sure, the Gallant
Officer did not attack General Evans—he only showed that
he had brought his troops into danger—( Hear, hear)—and
that he bad allowed their pay to be refused them.—( Hear,
hear.) If he had been commanding them, he' said, he
would have them away at once, and would never have suffered
them to be treated as they had been by the Spanish Govern-
ment.—(Hear, hear.) The Gallant Officer did indeed do
justice to Don Carlos. He talked of the assassinating decree
of Durango.—(Hear, bear.) Every body, he believed, called
that an assassinating decree. Did it not follow that the man
who issued an assassinating decree was an assassin ? He
thought that the langunge used by the Hon. Gentleman oppo-
site upon that point was intended to be useful to Don Carlos.
He looked upon it merely as a manoeuvre to benefit the Pre-
tender. Then it was said, out-popped the Eliot decree, and
' the cruelties began again. Did they commence with the
British ? No. Did they commence upon the British ? No.
They began with the friends of Don Carlos following up the
example of their leader.—(oh, and hear.) The Gallant
Officer (Sir H. Hardinge) bad told the House that he would
not serve under any man who, on going out to the field of
battle, told his soldiers not to spare an enemy. The order to
which the Gallant Officer alluded amounted to this : that no
quarters should be given. Had that never been done in the
British service ? Did the Gallant Officer never hear of the
order at Buenos Ayres ?
Sir H. HARDINGE—No.
Mr. O'CONNELL—Did the Gallant Officer never hear
that the orders there were to spare the old men and the wo-
men and children, but to put to death every man capable of
bearing arms?
Sir H. HARDINGE—Never.
Mr. O'CONNELL—I have a witness to the fact in the
House.—[ Some confusion, in the midst of which one or two
Members rose, but their observations were not heard in the
gallery.] He (Mr. O'Connell) could not proceed amidst so
many disorderly interruptions. He stated that he had been
informed of the fact by an lion. Gentleman a Member of that
House.--(0h1) He would give his authority ; of course he
could not know the fact from his own knowledge.—(Cries of
" Name, name I") His authority was Coloael Thompson,
the Member for Hull.—( Cries of " Oh 1" and " Hear.)
That was his authority. But he wanted to know whether no
cruelties had been practised during the war in the Peninsula?
Sir H. HARDINGE—There were certainly no such orders
as those referred to.—( Order, order.)
Mr. O'CONNELL—Had the Gallant Officer never heard
of the orders at St. Sebastian ? Had the Gallant officer
never read of the cruelties practised by the Spaniards when
that town was taken ? Had he never heard of the cruelties
at Ciudad Rodrigo and at Badajos? Were these things
doubtful? But the Gallant Officer would not have British
valour contaminated by an association with such cruelties
as had taken place in the late hostilities in Spain.--( Hear,
hear.) Did the Gallant Officer himself never associate with
Spaniards during the Peninsular war, where cruelties upon a
much larger scale were carried on by them 1—( Hear, hear.)
He (Mr. O'Connell) would refer for a moment to a summary
of the cruelties practised in the Peninsula, as contained in a
pamphlet he held in his hand. Here the Hon, and Learned

Gentleman read a passage from the work ; it was to this
effect—" During the Peninsular war what was the universal
system of the Allies but one of unmitigated cruelty ? Was
not every straggling Frenchman assassinated? Were not the
prisoners of war often, after capitulation, murdered in cold
blood by the guerillas? Were not carriages of the wounded,
and of women and children, waylaid and massacred ? Were not
French soldiers roasted alive by the Spaniards ?" Yet they
were now told by a Gallant Officer who distinguished himself—
no man more so—in the Peninsular campaign, that he would
not allow British soldiers to be contaminated by an associotion
with men who could be guilty of such atrocities. These cru-
elties were one of the wretched consequences of war, but they
ought not to be employed as a taunt against General Evans
and the Legion.—( Hear.) But then General Evans was
described as an adventurer, attacking a people with whom
his nation was not at war; upon that point the example of the
Black Prince had been quoted. But was England at war with
France when the Black Prince adopted the quarrel of Peter
the Cruel ?—( Hear.) After dwelling at some length upon
this point, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, addressing him-
self directly to the Opposition, said—You are on the side of
despotism—on the side of him who, in the midst of this strug-
gle for a kingdom, has never deigned to hold out one word of
hope for liberty in free institutions ; from whose lips the word
of pardon never fell ; whose pen never put it upon paper ; who
has never said one word of liberty or of constitutional privilege,
but who insists on an absolute throne, on becoming an absolute
monarch of a country once great—now plunged into misery,
but which I hope—in spite of you and of Don Carlos—
will get through the struggle, and prevent the liberties of her
people from being crushed under the accumulated misfortune
of a bold pretender to her throne backed by the -whole in-
terest and assistance of the holy alliance.—( Cheers.) But
amidst all the taunts which the Opposition cast at his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, did they say one word of the treachery of
Louis Philippe towards this country ?—( Hear, hear.) No ;
on the contrary, they enjoyed the treachery of that mistaken
and tyrannical man--they rejoiced at the consequences of his
neglect of the treaties in which he had taken part. Through
the faithless conduct of France the Carlists obtained supplies,
so that if any deficiency of means for the desired objects in
Spain appeared to exist, it was simply because other coun-
tries had not kept the faith of treaties, and had not acted up
to their promises as England had. He was not there to defend
the conduct of the Christine party, he had long condemned
their cruelties, and ever should continue to do so. But he
would ask this question, whether, if Don Carlos were to
succeed, despotism would not be established, and the connec-
tion between Church and State perpetuated for ever, with all
its horrible consequences, the hateful Inquisition amongst
the number ? Dare Hon. Gentlemen opposite avow that they
were for the establishment of the Inquisition and the domina-
tion of the Church in Spain ? No ; in the face of this nation
they dare not avow such an intention, yet such was their inten-
tion.—( Hear.) Why, they were told that France was without
a Government, awaiting- the issue of this question ; and why ?
France was waiting to see the line of policy which the British
Parliament would sanction in regard to Spain--whether despo
tism was to be allowed to have its sway, or free institutions be
vindicated and defended. And now it was, at such a juncture—
at the very moment when General Evans was meditating an-
other blow in the cause which he had so gallantly taken up—
that the opponents of freedom came down to interrupt the
Ministry of this country with an attack of this sort.—( Hear,
hear.) He had but one word more to say. The Gallant
Officer opposite, in the course of his speech, had talked dispa-
ragingly of the 10th regiment, upon the authority of one
Richardson, whose book was really two books; the one written
when he was in favour with General Evans, and therefore all in
his praise ; the other written after he had been dismissed the
service, and, of course, all against him.—( A laugh. ) As for
the 10th Regiment, he would just mention this fact, that
this regiment only lost five men at Vittoria ; and for the Gal-
lant Officer, who commanded that regiment, he thought he
might state it fearlessly as the highest trait that could be ad-
duced in his favour, that, although` his regiment was located
in the quarters fullest of disease, his loss of men was the least
of any. He (Mr. 0 Connell) knew that in what the Hon. and
Gallant Officer opposite had said on this subject he did not state
anything personally of the Gallant Officer who commanded this
regiment ; but at the same time the Hon. and Gallant Officer
had reported a story propounded by Richardson that the 10th
Regiment was ready at one time- to go over to the Carlists.
Now he would tell the Hon. and Gallant Officer, that lie had
been misled, by his authority, and that it was impossible to
give, in any language of courtesy, a more complete denial
to any statement than that made by Richardson on this sub-
ject. Knowing the young officer of this regiment as lie
(Mr. O'Connell) did—knowing bow little deserving of it
he was, he must say that such an individual ought not
to be suffered to be made the victim of calumnies such as he
had exposed.—( hear.) Ile would not pursue this subject
further. Ile would again repeat that the contest now going
on in Spain was one between freedom and unmixed tyranny ;
it was the same contest as was at this moment going on upon
this very floor.—( Hear.) The question was whether the
power of one or of the many should prevail—whether despotism
or free institutions should exist ; this, and this .only, was the
question in contention between the Carlists and the Christinos
of Spain.—( Cheers.)
Sir H. HARDINGE rose to explain. So far from his
having made or intended any attack upon Col. O'Connell
of the 10th Regiment, he had simply repeated a statement
which he had read verbatim, and for which he had given his
authority. Neither did Mr. Richardson himself make any at-
tack on Col. O'Connell ; on the contrary, he gave him great
credit for his conduct, and stated that the insubordination iu
his regiment arose from the absence of their Colonel.

Mr.- O'C ONNE LL should he sorry to receive praise from
such a quarter as Mr. Richardson's. If he was not mistaken,
all the officers of his Regiment refused to mess with him.—
(Cries of " Adjourn.")

Colonel THO.MPSON rose to say a few words in explana-
' tion, having been personally referred to in the course of the
speech of the Hon. and Learned Member for Kilkenny.
There was certainly no mistake in the statement made by the
Hon. and Learned Member in reference to the order given at
Buenos Ayres. He (Colonel Thompson) himself heard the
order given which was mentioned by the Hon. and Learned
Member—(hear, hear)—and he would repeat it to the
House, lest there should be any inaccuracy in the manner it
had been understood. The order came down the column
from the mouth of a field officer, who rode down the ranks on
a good Sunday morning—( A laugh)—and who exclaimed,
" Spare old men, women, and children, but every man who
is able to bear arms put him to the bayonet." These were
the words in which the field officer delivered the order, which
he coupled with an addition, by way of a joke of his own,
" Give them only three inches of it ; it will be the more easily
pulled out again." lie (Colonel Thompson) could name the
officer if he was asked ; he was an officer of bright repute,
who fell two hours after giving this order.--( Hear.)
Sir C. VE RE said that he was at Buenos Avres on the oc-
casion referred to, on the staff, and he could state, therefore,
that any !uch order as that stated by the Hon. and Learned
Member for Kilkenny, and by the Hon. and Gallant Member
for Hull, to have been given on that occasion, was not an
order from head-quarters.—( Hear, hear.) And he really
could not have imagined that any Gentleman would rise in
that House and speak to such an order as the one in question,
and that he should not have taken the opportunity of stating
it at the time when the subject of the assault on Buenos
Ayres was before the country, and a Court-Martial sitting on
the officer who commanded it.—( Hear, hear.) He begged
to observe, also, that during the Court-Martial everything
that had occurred in the proceedings against Buenos Ayres
was inquired into. The proceedings at this Court-Martial
might be obtained by any one who chose to refer to them ;
and upon so doing it would be found that no such monstrous
order, as that mentioned to-night, had been given by the officer
in charge of the troops on that occasion. Of course it rested
with the house to give what credit it might think proper to
a statement made by an Hon. Member. He did not mean
to say that the Hon. and Gallant Member for Hull did not
believe at the time he made that statement that such an order
as he mentioned had been given at that time, but he should
have been careful before he stated that a particular order had
been given not to state as an order that which on reflection he
might find not to have beer, an order. The Hon. and Gallant
Member stated, that the officer in question rode down the
line, and repeated the words he had mentioned, and that a
short time afterwards that officer fell. Now there might
have been some indiscreet expression used by the officer on
that occasion which gave rise to the observation of the Hon.
and Gallant Member; but that any such order had been given
from head-quarters he cold positively contradict.
Colonel THOMPSON had spoken merely to facts within
his own knowledge; and God forbid that he should speak to
any other. He certainly did hear the order he had mentioned
given, and he felt at the time, and now felt, in an official man-
ner, down the column. Whether the order was, in reality, an
official order or not he could not tell.

Sir H. HA RD INGE inquired whether there was any other
officer living ho heard the order given, the officer who gave
it being dead?

Colonel THOMPSON was very willing to answer any
questions of the Hon. and Gallant Officer, or any other mili-
tary man, which could throw a light on this subject. He had
no wish to conceal anything if the Hon. and Gallant Officer
would address himself to him on the subject. After they got
outside of the House he would give him all the information in
his power.
Mr. BROTHERTON and several other Hon. Members
then rose to move the adjournment of the debate.

Mr. W. WILLIAMS had an important motion on the
books for to-morrow, and that if the adjourned debate were to
be resumed, then he should certainly make his motion as an
amendment to the question brought before the House.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to say that it was
always competent to any Member to move the resumption of
an adjourned debate on any motion before the House, and that
if the Hon. Member persisted in bringing forward his motion
to-morrow, he '(Lord J. Russell) should certainly do so in
favour of the subject of the present debate.
Mr. W. WI L IA NIS then moved that the adjourned de.
bate on this question take plac;! on Wednesday.
The Gallery was cleared for a division, but none took place,
and the adjourned debate is therefore understood to come on
to-morrow (this day).
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Half-past Twelve.

John Vizard, Esq., one of the ten Deputy Regis-
trars of the Court of Bankruptcy, has resigned his situation ;
and by a late Act of Parliament his place is not to be tilled up.
Mr. But thwick, M.P. for Evesham, who was obliged
to leave town at the close of the debate last night, in conse-
quence of a severe domestic affliction, has paired off for the
rest of the week N;• t h Mr. Charles March Phillipps.

Mademoiselle Taglioni appears at Drury-lane in the
course of a few days, in La Fille du Danube, a new ballet.
Mrs. Wood and Madame Schroeder Devrient are about to ap-
pear together in Balfe's new opera, at Drury-lane.

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