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- ight to res rei % veili; tliisuntrj, tier)r,,aer oi-discon'-
inningthe payment °Ohl jetl)lidy in case of. any
;,veurth" at would render it unavailing towards the
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fe
tttliii64 'ern "the • gronrid- o': -wifteli 4,w its, granted, it
,k2‘4l3,ld:tietilie reaper?. ful tawartit the ;King _ol:S wts-;,
`de'n;,i(fa;n:take every instatmnf the subjetit .inf par 4-..
.cull-r ii,4d'dis,tin& discussion: As to the Otter obsei-
vatiA" "tifilii- .146'n . • ;Gen tletian; lie &intended, it
would ildvabeettAintbiseiind impolitic toipursue a
colitlt.4,E4l,c4ateik to, Aspi re- despoedeucy,at, a :time
. , when; vigorous exertion atift lithcleteiininatiOn` were
the objett, the intel'efft; and the duty of both' par-
ties. : He, wets -fiir. . iron,' thielting it tight to pledge
:Britain to en unlimited support ,of Sweden,,ender, sta
cireuthstanees.`lCweig 'atwaya.competentle stop when
it should be felt that-we ought to go no further. Bei-
..tai4, Would Certainly* not insist on 'Sweden holding
outifitbe could Make a-Sep/rale peace with honour
ancLasbantage.• The obligationAncetnade teciprocal,
!that: it, may'riot tieoffensivu.-to Sweden.. It. Britain
'ctitild,makeiti ddVantageous peace: jot= ,Sweden, the,
coffer amounted to a discharge of the,obligatiott. He
hoped the HoUse would Vote the subsidyeheerfulty,
'arid .thaetht., effe6f4Of'it-Would not- be checked by,
theAddreili-proposed by the Hon. Gentleman—
' .31P.: P OA S 0 A lii' thonglit it would have been,
beg' iqadiance the whole sum, at once, and .direct
„Sweden'tii '"appl, 'it to the pitrchase of a telerable or.
even a bad peaceaither than, ine.nCe.that- Power, by
tritititilly instalMeets, to perseVete to. the consumma,-
nefrof that systerft Yiliith always tended to .the ag-
grandisement of France and the ruin of our Allies..
Even if SWeden should be engaged in relu&ant co-
operation against Britain; that would be better than
the hostileoccupation of S.,,Veden by the French.—
lie hoped.no•Briti!';lllArmy -would be sent to be over-
Whelmed by the force Which France, Denmark, and
Russia, credit • t hrow 'into 'Sweden. He complained
that no prevision was made for the employment of
the.Swedi its flotilla, which, for every purpose con,
neeted,with the ii,teresti'of Britain, was the hest.
part of the Swedish torce: '
Mr: Sect-eta. ry -CANNING 'was satisfied,- that if
the whole Subsidy liaii been paid at once; that pr 0....
ceding would have . been made much more itist
m.rter of blame. • With resie:l to the other 'points..
put by the Right Hon. Gentleman, it was plain how.'
improper it would be tor him to say anything on
their!, eithei, in assent or in'disseitt. The. ,object of
', the Treaty was to enable Sweden !t) d .tend herself.
The course the King of Sweden pursued was.pointed
out by his own feelings and principli•s, o'ithuut any
" instigation or act. ioeun our part :.h:s perseverance and
fidelity in the public' vacua wee the more meritori-
ous, because they were purely voluntary. , Britain
was not houn&by the stipulation for jo:ut peace. to ,
make her peace depeildt,nt oii Sweden ; the spirit of
the obligation was to make no peace without taking
care o(;S4NeCien: ' •
MO.' PONSONBY thought it wo&.1 ~,--'be,,t,. if
it could.he practicaWe,, to pay half a miliioo for a
peace between. Swedeu and France, rather titan con-
tinuo+ deattuaive .war..., Re . believed the Right
Hon. Gentleman did nor materially differ with him
on this, any more than on seine other bnaterial
points. He Was glad to find there was no disposition
to instigate Sweden to the steps she 'i now taking
Vie SBORRTARy at 1114 a tired the case of.
Portugal) to prove that. no purchased peace could
atior4 security against the arbitrary proceedings of
vatiar - Portugal had repeatedly purehased her
neutrality, yet. 'after all that country was seized and
-subdued by Suonaparte, ,As long as Sweden could
defend herself, irwas an advantage to Britain as well
is'to herielf to enable ' her to hold out,
Lord E. PE7lTY•withed the money to be given to
His Majesty's Ministers in the shape of a vote of
credit; to bts by them applied •according as they should
fibd it necessary and proper to make the atlvances.
'the right of'either party to• make peace, ought to
have been kept perfealy ffee‘ , It the .Orders in
Council were to bethe law, it was essential to. take
the best measures for their. complete execution, If
,Sweden did not fully adopt tbe,,provisions adopted
there, :the,produce of. the French. Colonies would be
'brought from America to the Swedish ports, and
thence distributed over the Continent„ He had great
.satisfitaion4n.thiliking that this money,was,adveeced
to Sweden 'merely for, the -purpose Of defending her-
self and procuring peace,' and not for the purpose.of
.exciting. useless and destrative wars... ,
The Ci-JANCELLOR W.' the -.E XCHEQUI4M
said, it was vsatisfaaion, to hint and his lleagues
to find that die Hop. Gentlemen opposite dilfeied as
irtuch from each other as. they did from himand his
.friends, :respeoting the• rnocke.in. ;which.. this:subsidy
was to be granted. ,If Sweden should. come to.s.be
I..lable 1:5 resist France,. then it would, not-he proper
OA she Should. enjoy ,ttie subsidy.:, He:felt it right,
to, obs;erve •the saute, caution that his Bight Hon.
Friend did, as to the .circamstances in ;which the
Contracting Patties may,rnako a separate peace ; and
also on some other ,poinfA of a delicate ) Datum,—
With rope wine, 9rders in Couneil,..his.Sweclisli
M4jesty fittd.gititen,assura:icei of his.. concurrence in
she general principle ; but the details could not be
submitted to him , for. ,equivalent arrangement till
they should be. first, settled, here. •• • ~.
,41;1r.. W. SNITH argued. for the propriety-of crier,-
fea coincidence in the point of commerilial :restric-
tions, and censured Alto exclusive stipulation fora
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joint peace. .
:Mr. Witiratiamo . repeated his argiunent* fir
_specific engagements, on the •head of the ,coinnaier-
,cial regidations. . ~ • , - - •:. -
Nr., Smolt and Mr CAVNING explained,' . ' .
.The Resolution was passed mot. eon. The Report
.tio,be received, to-morrow. • , ~' ~
,Nlr.W li 1T814,4A LI Oen moved his Address, which
Was negatived without a division., . .
The ct.tAticuLtoa ,a the ..EXCHROUTII4 havitig
:moved ,that .the. House.. should resolve itself into a
Committee- ;on the... Bork . Exportation • • Prohibitiou
Bill.. , - ,

Mr. IPH 11'1311E4D- repeated his objeetions to
the Bill, vinult he 624'M-tensed nar aimost abomina-
ble ,ttleaSure, calculated to hold the Country up to
oniversid execration. It Was the tir3t attv,mpt mina
on the Statute Book any of those ideas which evident 7
ly, shewed rho moral ellaraae.r of England had been
padtuilly deteriorating. One of those. ideas Waq' that.
intaolou3 one,. that in cose of an iroasioli no swatter
shou4l be given to the I.'reneh, but that 11)4 -,ifottld
be till massacred,. or confined fur lite to votk in
tolueb or coal-pitai The object of the Bill was 'the
old otla in the
Vire4t tieftutities of -13,4 k _were on the Continent, and

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t'eaj a-. Parisian RIM-CUMM UP snow WILL varK
* a 03,401 -lest in price there than had been stated.,by
!be Right Honourab:e Gentleman opposite.--7
i There were,- in this Country, above' a million of
pounds of bark, which, in another sense of the
Word, bad become a mere " drug,"- and
nit was im-
Possible to sell it on any terms whatever. This bark
fiad been imported under license,. from Government.
Several persons had invested their whole:property in
this article, and 'bad, in, a right to call
on his Majesty's Miuisters to require Coat the public
Oliould take it all into their hands. Were they to
be consumed_ for the purpose of carrying into, execu-.
tied the veneatice of the country ? Were they to'
be tfea'iM as shells, the explosion of which involved
their OWn.destruction ? The Bill united in itself
detestable cruelty with absurd fully. He therefore
opposed-the Speaker's leaving the Chair. .
Sir C. PRICE defended the policyof the mea-
sure, and contended that was perfeetly justitiable„,,
as a mode of warfare. To his certain knOwledge,
yello'W'harit- bad been purchased in London at i05.,1
per lb. and after having paid 3O per. cent. insurance
hid:sold for a '.Considerable profit In France.' The
Withholdingof this articlemust give a facility to the
••
introduction a our manufglures, and in this point
Of view the ine4nre vas most humane, as, it, tended to
relieve the:distresses of our manufaBurers. The op-;
.pesition to this' measure Was. part 'of that systematic .
plan of thwarting the measurrs of Government, so
undevititingly pursued by the Hon. Gentlemen op-
posite, who, in.' addition to their proceedings
,in the.
House, bad, by letters and otherwise, instigated the.
pre'sentation of Petitions for Peace, &c.
Mr. A. I'd Yr.,OR aiked what right the-
Hon, Alderman accused any Member of a disposition
to thwartille measures of Government. Such an in-

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sinuatiUn should never deter him from expressing
*his sentiments on any,Bill that might besubmitted to
• the consideration ot; the House. This Bill contain-
.ed a. proposition Most degrading to the Country,
namely,• to carry our hostility lino the' chambers of
the sick. • He- denied . that any. attempt ' had t.een
made on his side of, the House to Promote petitions
for peace; ota: the „coetrafy, they had discouraged •
• such pefitions..., Who had. endeuveured to thwart
the ii asure's-pf Government so touch as‘the. Right .
. Heti' Ilt1441131) his friends, when. they were
t...
, • . anti,
on the Oppositien. Benches ? He fancied that the,
'inennknieoeies to which 'the Right Hon. Gentle-
I, Men Were sohj.-tied, must' Make thent regret • that -
i' they had not f.ile-Ned the adviee of his side-of the •
t. •
House, by sabthittnig the Con,ide.inion of the Or-
clefs le,Council to .1 Committee. a"f rade.- ' Of.this
the delay that Itlci taken place in the proceeding on
this-Bill' was a soilicieut prof. , ~ .
ne ' CI-MA CILLOR if the ' EXCHEQOER
assured the lion. .Gettilemno he .did not in the. •
slightest degree regret not I,lls.i.ig accepted the a, vice
so lavrain offei ed by the oppastie side of the House; '
advice preioaut with -.disadvantage to,' GoVernment
dad prjuSice io the Cdolory. The delay, it the
pcoeuvrtings io the,Bill bad arisen from Circumstances. ,
not unclet his contralti. T Let the I{6n. Gentleman
trace track the last three weeks, on every-night
' of which the debates had been protraCted to' so
late an hour that it was impraaticable to prosecute
- the Bill. During the last three weeks, there had
• been on the ,avetage ten motions a weeki•originattng.
lon the opposite side oh' the Hoece. Lot' the Lion.
Geutknetit recur to the period when he/(Mr. Yerce-
val) wan on the Opposifidn ' Biiireli;°-61:id" be - Wifibid
find, that during that period dot so many motions
had. ken brought forward by himself., and his
fritO li, its had been brought forward by the Hdtiour-,
able Gentlenian- and his friends in a• single 'week,.
He then entered into a general defence of the Bill,
which he contended was not in the leist more
devoid of humanity than the Bill for prphibit-
ing the exportation of cotton wool, or any other
Measure which must operate in the first instance
most heavily upon the pour. of the enemy's country,
and only circuitously on the Government, whom it
'Was most desirable to affeet. ' He repeated, thidthe
evils would not be attributable to this country, for
that the French Government would always nave it
in thelr power to retriove.theni by ',Walling a reason-
ahle line ofeoncina.
,The peculiarly large quantities
of bark Alm had been imported oflate yea's into this
. Connny, was a proof that but small quantities had
been imported into the Confineut, alai they were
very much in want there of this 'article. But should
that.not be the case, the 13il1 eontained a preiVision
by, which the bark might he imported Under ilicente
from the Crown.
Itir. IA SMITE argued at considerable leegth
against the Bill, which he i'Anitended would ex end
those.evils by which- war was rendered so'herrible,
and would -tend to replunge the world into 'aattate
of barbarism. There was a considerable ditlitrenie
between prohibiting the exportation of cotton,woel,
and prohibiting thy exportation of hark.. The raw
material ef'manufa(t Ores every country hid' tight
.to, prohibit,the exportalion of in time of peace, bat
who ever heard Of prohibit ingihe exportation of. ale-
theine in, time-olpealce ? ,Shrew to alt enemy aleae-
rum feeling, and yon may expea a reeiprhatty, of
sentimentt: Suppose tills country should 'chance, at
some future period, to be in want of food ; if this Bill
wore allowed to .pass,. would it nntr.aoili(Ajie„ ant'
even insure theproliihition by Vrance of the expert:.
ation of corofrem the Continent to this country ? ',
The, prohibition of bark was to extend tO.Spain, a
country which suffered most severely frotOlpeeictlicat
intermittent fevers, for W blab bark was thertaper re-
medy.. When-a British squadron lately was off Cadiz,
boats came off daily to them with fresh fruits ,- ve-
goiables, Sm. What a contrast did this present to
Uie conduCt recommended by his Majesty's Nliois-
aers l He deprecated the mode of .carryieg On a
,kar bar .means of licences, which gave a power'
..into Ow hands of Geverinnent that ought very .catt-
flati4ly to lie cOtnninted to them, open as it. Was to.
the auspiciph of abose.- . . ,
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ASP. IP. 4.4.F0R./Idefeededthe Bill. The .prie-,
,ciple op which it had: heen opposed .went to, this'
.length,,that we °tight to tarn our, artillery. from the
thwilY feufeua bullet waian.least as fatal aS a dysentery., ,
We had a right to use
revery means by which the
' Government of a 'hostile country might beiodueed
. toCoticlutle. a reasonable peace. • . .
A lember, whose eatnewe couid net learnidepre;-,
bated- zoty fastidious and iik founded refinements,, hy
. which..the elfeet of the 'energetirc measures of •00
I..vetomeot nti.:;ht he destroyed
i .-- likl r. . I U VII INGTOA entered ieto various cilcu-
' kujoes. Act pluvo 1 hat.,tiark .irk Erztece wa...ttQl_tit.Alk,'
Inicef4tiit,id by. the RigAttrinion, LietWeil.loo,, 4114 1,1401.,

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greate-r4hatithat upon which he had grounded his rea-
sonings. The principle of the Bill met with his most
severe reprobation. It would °have been better to
have withheld front the French the clothing which
it was well known they had obtained' from thii
Country.
`Mr. Gottildikr defended the Bill. There was at
present .a depiit of bark in this country equal to the
consumption of three years; and lie was convinced
that France, and the other tuitions of the Conti-
nent, must eventually resort to us for a supply of
that article.

Mr. HIMBRRT opposed the Bill.
Genera' Nos . defended it, andexpressed bis hig-h
approbation of the general conduct of his Majvy's
Ministers.

.L9lll MILTON reprobated the principle on which
the Billprofebsed to proceed.

The Ronk, then divided,
For the Speaker's leaving-the Chair - ez
Against it.- . - - - - - - . 29

Majority

The Bill then passed through a Com►nittee, the
Report of which was ordered to be received to-mor-
row.

THE SPEAKER.

Mr. Secretary CANA ING was desirous of put-
ting to an' Hon. Gentleman opposite, a question of
considerable importance. He was sure the House
must •alwaYs feel most powerfelly interested in What
respected those who tilled their Chair, and more •
particularly in the Right Hon. Person whinn he ten
had the pleasure of addretsing, than by whom that
'Chair had never been more deservedly occupied.--=
He wished to ask, whether that Right Hun. Goll-
tkman intended to pursue .the notice whirl) he bad
given in an early part of the evening, of submittii.g
to the consideration.of the House the cantina of the ,
Speler in enforcing their Orders ?
Mr. TIERNEY -said, that he slid not mean to
britig forward such a question, as he had the remedy
in ht's own hands for preventing in future the eon-
thitiance' in the House of any Conversation such as
that, da bad' etletts of whidli he had so sc?erely ex_
pemenced.•ln-the converatinn- to which be alluded,
he bad:Certainly made some observations on the
course, pursued by he Right Hon: Gentleman op-
p9site. An reply, the Chancellor of the Ekeht quer
had charged hitu with ateons' -ency, arid althouji
he knew-that the Ttight Hun. Uentletnan did this in
perfea. good humour, y,A he felt necessity, far
the, purpose of preventini, An cantle imprcssipn
froth berng. Made • upon the pub.,e, to exculpate
himself iran the ch,t.e. Li rising to do so, Itw.:
ever, he was interrupted by the Skaker', being
pleased to oOtterr, that there was nuviestion betore
• the House; • Prom the commencement of the con-
versation there had been trio, qnestion before the
Housq, but pis the, conversation • had continued for
some time, and as the condita of an. individual
wad implicated in it, he thoUght it would have been
but fair. ri allgw Ina individual' the opportunity of
exnat 4thig 'Waist:.i from the blame that was ate
tachtAto him. But although. he complained ~that
hardmeasures had been dealt ter him, he did.not in-
tend to submit to the House any question on
the subject fur the Teams which he had beftite
l•stated. ,

The CUAgCELLOA of 'ate EXCHEQUOR
de t.iiled,ttiq circumstances attending the conversation,
'aififthrarr& t llat—Ttni-lrreghtitritrennunented • whit
the , Right flonourttlile Gentleman's .observations
on he tern od the inconsistency of his
Majesty's Ministers. lie felt it duty to tea
Nine the charge, and here the .conveuz,alion was
stopped, and-he conceived properly stopped, by the
Chair. • • • •

Mr. C4NA fiVa observed, that a conversation of
that kind became irregular as soOn snit was formally
taken notice of. By the obseteation of his Right.
Hon. rriend (Mr. FUster), , who had said, that
" theconVersation being at an end, he would move,
&c." that notice had been taken and the speaker,
in the itopartiel prosecution of his,duty, was emu..
gelled to prevent the Bight Hon. Gentleman from
proceeding. • , . ,
Lord I'l. PETTY, expressed. a similar opinion.
l'he SPE4KERaddreSled the House nearly in
the folloWing tertils:--orgy—;mclutt having been
brought bcture the judgment of the House, accom-
patilei With noiudislinct charge tA partiality, I trust
I shall be, ektns'ied for ()tiering a few words to the
-13.uuse on the subjed. it hap ever beeu the image
or the „Huleie, and it has beau foetid a most contete
piece t,iere, CO ,:.f:rnlit questions tc be,isSited; tend-
ink; to teetrie-to the arrangement of business.
ocorretice or this nature' took place to,day. Tim
NohleLbrd put a quesoun toa•Right Hen. Gentlt
tpen, to which question an answer was given.. An
. Hoe. Gentleman then rose, whose knowledge of
. the forms and customs, of therHouse induced me to
",presume,thai be•wotild not,pass beyond the ~littels
whichtheoecesion prescribed. . 1 find ,no diffichlty
,:in saying, mire especially as that Hon.. t3entlemaa
lido teileiell made the acktiowledgment,. that before
tike termination: at' his 'address he did pass those
limiti. The langnage which that Lion. Gentleman
used, called up, a Right Hon. Gentleman on the op.
pesite side, Who replied to him. At that motnelit
several Hop. Getatlernere rose, Had that which
then took place not Occurred, 1 frankly state I should
have felt it .my duty to put, an end to the cOnVeria-
tion ) but when one of thePon. Gentlemen who rose
distindly
,apok-e of thp conversation, no. choice , was
lett the °tulle enhjed, 1 therefore interrupted the
conversation, and on preueeding to read the Orders
'of the Day, a question being open, the Hon. Glen-
iceman **mein hieplace, and declared that which he
had jest owed, This was the proceeding, ea liCetl.
tately:as .1 can relate it to the House, 1 appeal to
their Judgment whether my condutt is liable to the
' charge 'of partiality. It may be so, but if it is, 1 ,
own lain not coneciouts of it. . Having been four
times raised by the tree choice of the House to the
Chair which 1 now'occupy, and in which 1 have sit
for seven ears, I have the coneolation to retied that
this . is the fast time . that any impetatien of welt a
nature has been asFribed tome. J hope that as long
as it is the .pleasures of the House that I should (le-
cupy the 'honourable situation which 1 how held, 1
may remain free from suCli en itoeutation. It is for
. the House tfa judge wle.ulier.lara so tree or not i and
it is fur tiuc oust; to deelate Whether they Will. in
•, , .
forum allow the centintiart:e at that usage which
-. ar; given rise -to- the prLsent occurrence ,e when. 1
too heereacd,e'lLeitle;:ir pie:ll.lw is, it will to my
duty to eoot.Offn to those tooti uaie w , all 4 to ou'ru- rc,

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