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might perhaps he explained. _(Hear. )--Perhaps the Hoc.
Baronet opposite would answer these ,sintple questions. It
had ben stated, that since June, 1821, 150,0001. had been
saved upon salaries ; but he now asked the lion. Member
what had been the amount of the superannuation* since
that period ? And with respect to the superannuation al-
lowances granted to two sons of Cabinet Ministers, he asked
whether they bad not been made on account of offices from
which the holders were removeable at pleasure ?—( Hear.)
Mr. PEEL had never preSumed to advise the Hon. 131
mart un the subject of his motion. The Hon. Baronet
twice gave notice of his intention to move a resolution con
demnatory of the mode in which Government had tilled
up the office of Treasurer of the Navy.—(Hear.)—And
aft.r hearing the explanation offered to-night in reference
to that transaction, the Hon. Baronet still persist, d in his
resolution, and pledged himself to bring the question be-
fore the House : let the Hon. Baronet do so. He re-
peated, he gave the Hon. Baronet no advice on the subject :
he only expressed a hope that the Hon. Baronet would
persevere in proposing a resolution " condemnatory of
Government." The Hon. Baronet appeared to draw a
distinction without a difference between a " condemnatory
resolution" and a " vote of censure upon the Government."
For his owa part he could see no difference.—(Hear.)—
He had already expressed a hope that the Hon. Baronet
would bring forward his resolution, which had certainly
been twice postponed, and was now glad to hear that the
Hon. Baronetintended to do so. In saying this lie was
far from attempting to dictate to any one—he would not
even presume to advise the Hon. Baronet; he only ex-
pressed a hope that the motion would be brought forward,
in order to obtain the opinion of the House on the subject
of the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers.—(Hear.)

Mr. Aldtrman THOIIFISON said it would be de-
structive to the commerce of the country if we reduced
our naval force.

Sir R. WILSON begged to state his reasons for voting
azainst the amendment. While Spain was carrying on war
with South America, he could not vote for reducing our
seamen, because it would peril our commerce. Again,
while Russia had a force of thirteen sail in the Black Sea,
and of twelve sail in the Levant, and France was fitting
out an expedition, he thought our naval power would not
bear reduction.

Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY addressed the House
amidst loud cries of " Question." We understood tho
Hon. Baronet to object to the amount of the marines kept
up at Portsmouth, and to say that nothing that had fallen
from the other side of the House had been satisfactory to
im on this point.
Sir G. CLERK, with respect to the questions that had
been put to him by the Hon. Baronet (Sir James Graham)
opposite, begged to observe, that the annuities and allow-
ances of reduced officers were regulated by Act of Parlia-
ment. As to the Commissioners of the Navy and Victualling
Boards, they could not properly he said to hold their offices
for life. They were appointed by patent ; it was not
vustomary to remove them ; and they were entitled to re-
tire on a superannuation allowance of three-fourths of the
salary of 1,0001. a year.
Mr. G. LAMB could not have voted for the proposition
of reducing the number of men, nor could he support the
proposition that the vote should be taken for six months
only, because he was unwilling, under existing circum-
stances to give foreign nations an idea that we thought of
nothing but reducing our force.
Mr. lIUME replied.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and a division
took place, when the numbers were—
For the Amendment 47
Against it l4B
Majority against the original motion --101
Sir G. CLERK then proposed the following Resolu-
tion :—" That 980.2001. should be granted for wages for
the said 29,000 men, at the rate of 21. 12s. a man, a
month." • _ _ _ _ _

Mr. HUME objected to going on at that late hour.
Sir G. CLERK understood that, as the number of
men had been voted, the Hon. Member could have no
objection to pay their wages. He asiured the lion.
Member that to delay this resolution would be an incon-
venience to the public service.
Mr. FLUME had no wish to produce such an effect.
The resolution was then agreed to, and the House re-
sumed.--Report this day.
WAYS AND MEANS.
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On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX.
CHEQUER, the House went into a Committee on the
Ways and Means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed
a resolution " That, towards making good the supply
granted to his Majesty, the sum of 12,000,0001. be raised
by Exchequer Bills."
Mr. GORDON took this opportunity of asking the
Right Hon. Gentleman if he intended to introduce a new
set of Stamp Laws, and to increase the stamps on legacies.
He had heard in the legal profession that such was the in-
tention of Government, and that it had already given rise
to great speculation.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that ,nr some time past the consolidation of the Stamp
Laws had been under consideration, and that be hoped
shortly to be Able to lay the result before the House. It
was natural that the consolidation of Acts should give rise
to speculation, but, as to debate the subject at that time
would tend to increase that speculation, he should abstain
from further particulars.
After a few words from Mr. GORDON and Mr. WAR-
BURTON, this resolution was agreed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
moved a resolution—" That there should be issued and ap.
plied, for advances on aee.ount of public works, &c., any
sums paid into the Exchequer by the sth April, 1831."
.—Agreed to.
The next resolution was—" That towards making good
the supplies granted to his Majesty, there should be issued
and applied the sum paid into the Exchequer before the
Mb April. 1831, by the Governor and Company of the
Bank of England."
Mr. HUME. thought that the Bank ought to be paid
less than it was at present for management.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the charge for management was a matter of engagement
which could not be broken through.
Mr. MABERLY thought it no more a matter of en.
gagement than others which had been modified.
The resolution was then agreed to.
The next resolution was, that towards making good the
supplies granted to his Majesty, there be issued and applied
the sum of 60,0001., to be paid into the Exchequer by
the East India Company ou account of forces serving in
India.
Mr. HUME thought that the Company ought to pay
more. They did not pay half enough.
The resolution was then agreed to,
The next resolution was, that towards making good the
supplies granted to 144 Majesty, there be issued and ap-
plied the sum of 80,785/, being the surplus of Ways and
Means in the years 1823, 1824, 1825, 1826, 1827,
1828, and 1629. —Agreed te.
The House reaumed.—Report to-day.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Half-past One o'clock.

In the list of the majority that voted against
Lord Joux Ressztes motion on the 23(l ult., is omitted
the name of the lion. Colonel W. F. GRANT, M.P. for
Elginshire.

Lord KILLEEN was on Monday unanimously
returned a Knight of the Shire for the county of Meath.
An active canvass has been commenced on
behalf of Mr. Low; WELLESLEY, who has most extensive
estates in this county. His own tenantry, who are warmly
attached to him, would be likely to place him high on the
poll. He has started late, and that circumstance is the
only forcoidable one against him.--7-Ifent and Essex Mer-
cury.
A Deputation from the Committee of Drury-
lane Theatre, accompanied by Mr. Cirnails KEMSiLE,
had last week interviews with the LORD CHAMBERLAIN
and the Secretary of State for the Home Department, on
business relating to the interests td the Patent Theatres.

A most brilliant Aurora Borealis was see'
from Elgin and its neighbourhood on Friday night last,
Elgin Courier.

On Friday evening Mr. WATSON delivered a
lecture M the Royal Institution on the efficacy of his plan
for preventing ships foundering at sea. The Onke of
SOMERSET was k the Chair. Mr. WATSON exhibited
some ingenious experiments in proof of the advantages of
his discovery. These experiments were performed on a
small model of an 80-gun ship, and certainly were succe.s-
ful in their results as regarded the model. A teak was
sprung prior to the application of the air-tubes, and the I
model, of course, soon sunk ; the air-tubes were then
applied, and the leak sprung as before, but a very different
result occurred. Far from sinking, the model, though
completely filled with water, and having weights propop-
tionally equal to the 250 tors above the average weight
of 80-gun ships, attached to it, remained above water.
In the course of his lecture Mr. WATSON stated that his
plan bad been communicated to the Emperor of Russia,
the Kin of the NETHERLANDS, and the President of the
UNITED STATES, from each of whom he had received the
moat flattering aelpowledgmente.