The Sun.
London, England, 1837-11-24 00:00:00

NATIONAL EDUCATION.

Mr. PARKER presented a petition from Sheffield, signed
by 12.000 persons, praying for the establishment of a
national system of education, whereby every person might
be instructed in the word of God, and taught his duty to God
and to his neighbour.
REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS, &c.

Sir E. SUG DE N, who rose amid cries of" Hear, hear,
hear," from the Tory benches, presented a petition from
certain Clergymen of the County of York, complain-
ing of the operation of the late Act for the Re-
gistration of births, marriages, and deaths, and amongst
other 'things that by the Act they were compelled to marry
persons upon the mere certificate of the Registrar, contrary to
the Rubric and the Canons; further, that by the said Act
many persons were induced to dispense with the Sacrament
of Baptism. The petitioners declared that they had no wish to
interfere with the religious opinions of others, but they prayed
to be relieved from the necessity of coming in contact with
such scruples, and, above all, from the violation of their
own vows.

CONTESTED ELECTIONS.
Mr. BLE WITT give notice that on Wednesday the 29th
November, unless the subject was previously taken up, he should
move resolutions that it was a gross breach of the rights and
privileges of that House for any person to impeach, or call in
question the right or title of any Hon. Member to sit in that
House, otherwise than by petition presented according to the
laws and regulations of that House.

Second—That by the laws and regulations of that
House, the right of petition, in cases of contested elec-
tions, was placed in those only who had a right to
vote at that election, or who claimed to be re-
turned, or who were candidates at the election, and that
fir any person to procure or instigate the prosecution of any
petition against the return of any Member of that House, or
to maintain the same by money, was contrary to the laws, and
a violation of the rights and privileges of that House.
Third—That a confederacy of any persons to examine
the merits of any petition which may have been presented,
or which it was proposed to present, against the return
of any Member of that House, or to decide whether the
same is just or deserving in its character, had a direct
tendency to anticipate, diminish, degrade, and render
nugatory the jurisdiction of that House ; that it was subversive
of the course of public justice, a contempt of the judicature,
and a breach of the rights and privileges of that House.
Fourth, That a confederacy of any number of persons to
raise subscriptions in aid of petitions against the return of
any Member of that House, and the application of such
subscriptions, or any part of the same, for such a pur-
pose, was an invasion of the liberties of the subject,
and that it be referred to a Committee of Privileges to investi-
gate the proceedings of a Meeting held at the London Coffee-
house, Ludgate-hill, at which Mr. Andrew Spottiswoode,
Printer to her Majesty presided, and to report the same
to the House, and that the consideration of all election
petitions be deferred until after the Committee had made its
Report.—( Hear.)
FIR.F., INSURANCES.

Colonel SIBTHORP gave notice that on the 6th of
March he should submit a resolution for the reduction of the
duty on Fire Insurances.
MILITARY COMMISSIONS.
The Hon. and Gallant MEMBER then gave notice that en
the 9.0:11 of March he should move fur the appoinifflent of a
into the sale of Military Corn-
Select Committee to enquire
Com-
missions,

eHURCII PROPERTY.
He also gave notice that on the 3d of April ho should submit
a motion relative to the present state of Church Property as
regarded its spoliation,
ELECTION PETITIONS.
The SPEAKER then enquired whether any Members bad
any Election Petitions to present.
Mr. DUNCOMBE, and other Members, then presented peti-

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tions against the returns for the City of lj°,
Li 4'l ty
castle- undc-r Lyme, Durl.am City, Huntingdon on
Queen's County, which were ordered to be taken into
Co
&ration on the 12th of December. r
Mr.F.;ifiplipkoNrVt
opfretsteentEedstaabplie3tilictidoncfirwormeht.he County 0
Mr. Girdon Lro ughe up papers from tiro , Anuts. Bondi
which were laid on the table
NEMENTS. -
An 1;os. MEMBER,SMALL whose n TEame we could not learn, ga.::
notice, that on an early day he would move for leave to
brim
in a Bill to compel the owners of small tenements to
Pi t.
rates instead of the occupiers.
Mr. HUME LEGS
noOticEe
tThHatEonHOD= E.
move for the appointment of a Seleet
consideration the fees taken in this (louse on Election Cam •
mittees. c Tuesdayotn nt
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THE IRISH CONSTABULARY• t. ask..
Sir IL BATESON would take that opportunity 0, to
int.; a question of her Majesty's Government retail
an order v,hielt had been lately issued. and which materki.,c
affected the lives and properties of her Majesty's subjec,ts.
catl„,
alluded to a circular issued by Colonel Shaw lona
Inspector-General of Police, in which order the
Force and Police under his ordet a, were directed not to .att_cer:
any protection to the lives or properties, in cases of distura'auper
of any individw:ls who could not afford to pay Is. per be there
day for each policeman. It appeared to him monstrous that that
should be one law for the rich and another for the poor in
unfortunate country, and he wished to know whether that
Irish to-
had the s:.netion and approbation of her Majesty's
vernmcnt ? the
Lor.l MO R PETH said the order had been issued by
Inspector-General of Police, and it appeared to him that
Hon. Member had quite misunderstood its spirit.
f, coa'
Sir R BATESON had asked a question, and
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ceived he had not. received an answer.—(Opposition eheerso,
Constab,u.vi
Lord MORPETH had no objection, when called yor,e
t 3 give any explanation that might be required relative, t
conduct of the Irish Government. Whenever an application
oa,
made, the circumstances of the case were reported to thob.ect
spector-General, who decided upon them. Tile iheY
of the orde: was to prevent parties, who imagine" tiu
had a right to apply for protection, doing. so but
every case, without any advance or remuneration,
and
in no case in which protection was considered adviseable,
the parties were enabled to pay for it, had it been denied.--
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(Ministerial cheers.) If the lion. Member gave a o°l;ct°he
the subject, he would have no objection to go fully into
-
matter.
Sir ROBERT BATESON then gave notice thatritt'''
morrow he would move for a production of a copy of the ‘-'‘
der in question.
PEACE PRESERVATION ACT (IRELAND)'
ord
Captain JONES wished to know from the Noble
(Morpeth) whether it was his intention to renew the provisieut
of the Peace Preservation Act (Ireland), which had Pr,
expired ; and if so, whether he meant to institute any Pre
minary inquiry ?
Lcrd MO ti.PE TH said that it was the intention of Govern'
ment to renew the pi ovisions of the Act.

DUTY ON TIN. 211,
Sir CHAS. LEMON presented a petition from Co L•
praying that in the arrangements to be made for the Civil Ll6O
provision should be made whereby some other mode of Pelaert.
might be substituted for the Duchy duty on tin. The lion'
,—that
stated be would not now enter into a description Of whatf
tax was; but it was the last tax raised on the raw preut,
our country ; and gave notice that he should to-morrow wan'
that the petition be referred to the Committee abouttobe r
pointed on the Civil List.

ELECTION PETITIONS. bead
Lord STANLEY, seeing the Noble Lord at the be
of the Home Department in his place, trusted thatort,
might be permitted to ask a question of considerable los
ante, to which he' hoped to receive a decided and P°, had
answer. At the opening of the Session, the Noble Lora
no,
announced that it was the intention of the Governrnenleta.
rainally to fix all election petitions to be taken into consniLa,
tion on the 12th of December, upon the understanding, ws;
ever, that they should be postponed till after the holl it
and although that side of the House had objections t°
postponment, yet considering the short time for which ,at
postponement was to take place, and the inconvenience 1,11.0
might result in consequence of the short period that otse
take place between the hearing of the first petition and all
adjournment of the House, it was thought desirable orrect.
hands that the arrangement should be carried into e uelf
But within the last few days it had been rather ostentatie si,
announced that the Noble Lord would be coerced by a 011_1.,
derable body of his supporters to depart from that
wet°
rangement, and not to take election petitions tea
consideration until after the passing of an exlcand
measure. Now he, ( Lord 5.,) could say, for himself boil
for those upon that side of the House generally, that if theY
ode
the least idea that the Noble Lord could be induced to arecel
to any such proposition, nothing on earth could have in,eo,ll
them to acquiesce in his arrangement: and he Led
Stanley) therefore asked the Noble Lord, and he
the Noble Lord (J. Russell) would distinctly ans-etis
whether it was his intention to proceed with the election Pfron,
tions immediately after the Christmas holidays—( Cheers 1/
the Tory benches)—and whether it was his intention to aP,Pto
the provisions of any Bill that might thereafter be passe'
the petitions arising out of the last election ?—( Cheers.) ,
tly
LordJOHN RUSSELL said—The Noble Lord has rig for
represented that I have proposed to fix the election petitions 'go
the 12th of December, with a view that I should prfl°o,
an adjournment of 'them till after the holidays.s to
hear.) I made that proposition, from a consideration „I
the convenience of the House, as I thought it would interterd
the business of the House if those election petitions stool'
come on before the Christmas holidays ; but I did not as
the House merely to assent to that, because I thought it of
an arrangement that every Member would see the proprietilie
assenting to, even before any reason for it was assigned. 'titer
Noble Lord is likewise correct in stating that it has—whehese
ostentatiously or not I am not prepared to say—that it has 'to
stated there is an expectation that in certain cases the Elect
petitions should be postponed, until some Bill should be Pa'tioe
through Parliament for a different mode of conducting elee. of
petitions. Now all I have to state is, that I think the reason
convenience which I originally proposed for pos!1s011
ing the election petitions will be a sufficient r'ke
why—and I give notice now that to-morrow I will ma, iect
proposition for the adjournment of the consideration o' 00,
election petitions till after the holidays, on the ground deo
venience, to which I think the Noble Lord himself
tl .reii
not object. With respect to the other ground, I ant care ill
at a loss to give any answer, because although I am per' 00
aware of the law, and what might be dOne before the existetbe
of a new law, yet it is impossible for me to say that before,
in-
expiration of 14 days there may not appear to be an evident
tendon to take advantage of that law—(Cheers)—to set anvil
v-
not only false returns—not only returns made by illegillegalioas
but to set aside a great number of elections that have been jog
nifestly and obviously fair and legal, with a view of chat/ de
the mode of the trial of those elections.—( Cheers.) N°viiiiste
not say that that will be the case, but I must say there
than
been indications in the month of August last—not earherhetbe
that—which induced me to think that that may probablY ion
case.—( Hear, hear.) Therefore, with respect to the gee sea
the Noble Lord asks me now, until the 14 days h
I cannot make any answer to it. But if it does appear pee
there is an intention to take advantage of the law for the tit°
version and abuse of that law—( Immense cheering frer„ ancl
Ministerial side)—l cannot conceive, if that case is clearly ter
plainly made out, that this House will not at least think it a le:013
of grave deliberation, whether in such a case Government
0,"°,0
propose any measure—whether any individual Member .° ea
propose a measure, or whether the House would agree Lb ies
measure, I cannot answer—but when I say there are suede ill
dications, they convince me that I should not be quite, s„ot as
ave elaPthos
presuming there is an intention to abide by the law, and --
intention to pervert it to party purposes.
ltit;
. •
On the motion of theCIVILHA CNCELLORLIST
of the E c usu
that portion of the Speech from the Throne which relate
the Civil List was read, which having been done, safd-s'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' state'
Sir, I request the attention of the House to the bern'
ment which I feel it to be my duty to lay before,sy.
and although the mode of making that statement may f:t. for
perfect, I feel that I may rely oi, this House for sePle'uate
with respect to the proposition itself of making an °away
provision for the Crown, I know that I shall be tiose:
palsied by the best feeling of Gentlemen on all sides theersest
Sir, it is my intention to propose that the subject be Loos°
to a Select Committee. I take this course, not only u_sitioe,
asneslasit
3ti sof t
it is consistent with that which I advocated in 0P)",.. tbia
subjectbi
euct t ttiheactta,oui
The House well for the
is mryuccloincbleutstieorn. fitted for brinebroeol'
granting of a Civil List to our late Sovereign goose!
when the last proposition was we"' it 0'
met by the party now seated on this side of the s to a
then in opposition, by a proposition to refer the papetrhe pre;
Committee ; and if I did not take that course uPon_eoetinisa
sent occasion I might justly be taunted, as we have ',in, as A
been, perhaps not justly, with taking a different
_enje
Member of the Government from that which I re"motillbe „Jere
when in opposition; but whether I might or might not r- y
posed to that taunt, if I did not believe that
__as that
in which I propose to deal with this questio j":.cherre
which would most conduce to the satisfactory
i„ to teis
of our duty, I should expose myself :more willinf
imputation of inconsistency than of having beieLvbedter°eres
into a course of conduct that might prejudice Neon.‘
the settlement of this question.—(Loud crieso,°!l•o 11°11'to
hear.") I need not press upon the attention 1"
üblie than bee
the importance of this question, no less to the Pc
.asp vs' or
the Crown.—( Hear, hear.) Upon a former.::ie 'debate, it
it was at issue, I did not take a part in the
when when at
I felt that the time might not be nisi.° °non it_cie
might be my more appropriate duty to enter (hat Pe of
sonic length ; but it was then thrown °,e the age otl
liar caution was necessary, by reason neople,, °t
he
the Sovereign, and the anticipation of all hum' 01,,e, tha‘roes,
of none more heartily than the House of Cc;mbe prosPe that
reign which is about to begin may not onicY Sibr;oogb
but long.—(Clieers.) It is on that very,
car acarry toitheeg
we wish to make suck arrangement as happy, Acets--"
that reign, which I hope will be as long;,,actieg boors
and appeals to Parliament—without to 9(_' boo
and without those circumstances which have have riToyai,tll;
jealousy upon the part of the people, and Wriience t° v.ty
without their influence in causing inconye
in Nola 10,
It is because I anticipate and desire be . sc_
you all that the reign of her Majesty Civil. ji:sOcter'
I think we ought to take stes to make t Sir' in't
But then' 9ider 1 be"
ratigements as satisfactory as possible. sto eon take,
00
as that reign may he long, so it behoves
ce about to for
care, and to weigh well the step We
cause I admit that when that step is (30„, bar oil'
should be ready to plead that arrangement 1"
arc takea,_cotoriev.

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