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London, England, 1863-07-24 00:00:00

FISHERIES (IRELAND) BILL.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Lord CRAN WORTH moved that it be read a third time
that day three months.
A long discussion ensued, at the conclusion of which the
house divided—
For the third reading—Contents
Nun-contents

Majority for the third reading.... —l5

Lord CRANWORTH then moved, as a proviso to be
added to the bill, "Provided always that nothing in this
Act contained shall interfere with any rights held at the
time of the passing of this Act under royal grant or charter,
or possessed from time immemorial."

After discussion the house divided—
For the proviso—Contents 23
Non-contents
Majority against the proviso

A motion by the Earl of DONOUGHMORE to restore
the 20th clause was negatived on a division by a majority
of 25, the numbers being 12 against 37.
The bill as amended was then passed.

The Fortifications (Provision for Expenses) Bill, the
Public Works and Fisheries Acts Amendment Bill, the
Vsccination (Scotland) Bill, and the Exhibition Medals
Bill. were each read a third time and passed.
The Nuisances Removal Bill, the Union Relief Aid Acts
Continuance Bill, the Companies Clauses Bill. and the
Turnpike Trusts Arrangements Bill went through com-
mittee.

The Railways Clauses Bill, the Waterworks Clauses Bill,
the Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill, the Expiring Laws
Continuance Bill, and the Petty Sessions (Ireland) Bill
were each read a second time.

The house adjourned at 10 minutes to 8 o'clock.

HOUSE OP COMMONS.---Yesterday.
The SPEAKER took the chair at twenty-.five minutes past
twelve.

DENMARK AND GERMANY.

Mr, S. FITZGERALD said he was unwilling the
session to come to a close without endeavouring
to obtain from her Majesty's Government some ex-
planation with reference to the present condition of
matters between the German Confederation and the King-
dom of Denmark. The Consolidated Fund (Appropriation)
Bill made ample provision for the diplomatic service of the
country, and, amongst important places involved, Frank •
fort and Copenhagen held a principal place. He
regretted that while the friendly relations between other
Powers appeared to be only strengthened, those between
the Germanic Confederation and the Government appeared
to be embittered. He considered that the federal occupa-
tion of Holstein would be most menacing to Europe, if
Denmark resisted it. He thought it would be important
to know what steps her Majesty's Government would take
under the circumstances.
Lord PALMERSTON said this was one of the most
complicated subjects that ever engaged the attention of
statesmen in Europe. He should not enter into details of
what was called the Schleswig-Holstein affair, which was
involved in the utmost obscurity of former times. The
German advocates referred back to 1640 as the ground on
which they maintained stricter relations between Schleswig
and Holstein than those admitted by Denmark or any
other Powers. He entirely agreed with the hon. gentleman
(Mr. Fitzgerald) that it was a matter of British policy to
maintain the independence and integrity of the Danish
monarchy. It was not a large one, but it had its rights as
well as larger States, and its geographical position rendered
it the more important to this country that these rights
should be secured. The position the Government had always
held was, that Holstein was a member of the German Con-
federation, and that that Confederation had a control over
the affairs of Holstein as it had over other members of the
Germanic Confederation, and that any arrangement made
by the King of Denmark, opposed to this fundamental rule,
was not justifiable, But they held that, with regard to
Schleswig, the German Confederation had no control, and
the Germanic Confederation had no more right to prescribe
rules
for it than Spain, Portugal, England, Russia, or any
othersesNavaparate and independent State. They held that
they©
Schleswig was a matter of European arrangement. But still
were many Germans there, and the Government held
that the German rm,n Confederation had a right to represent, if
such a
ca
placed upon existed,an equal
that the German inhabitants were not
footing with the subjects of Denmark.
Such matters
Oughtappeal
not, however, under any circumstances,
the last
to justify an
to arms. (Hear, hear.) As to Holstein,
stage only
Was that which was worthy of considera-
tion, and that arose out of the patent issued by the King of
Denmark in aiateh
last,German Confederation He did not know what step the
intended to take on the matter, but
he remembered
thattha an anecdote of Talleyrand, who when
he desired that Gahm:a:loi: Confederation should not take
a certain step which
might be injurious to
France, recommended theta saideredproceed with inconside-
rate haste. Now precipitation t°
not a characteristic of
itie Germanic Confederation, but he was sure that their
rod sense would prevent thenpx
efareoem taking a step which
would be damaging to the
for if a
war broke out there, it niust extend Europe, for
and in-
consequences.
volvo many other states in its extend
sverittient, as to these
As to the policy and course of the Go
rat were desirous
disputes, he might say that the Govern
maintained, and
that the rights of Denmark should be
that if any attempt were made to overthroawinttah
negotiation
they should be resisted. He trusted,
neohaeowrievhatrs,
that these matters would be subject for
and not for war. Every effort should be
her Majesty's Government to induce the parties to includeeby
all disputes within the limits of diplomatic intercourse,
(blear, hear.) He had no doubt those efforts would be slice-.
cessful, and he had no apprehensions of either immediate or
remote danger. (Cheers.)

THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA.-
PRIVATEERING.

Mr. COBDEN called attentbn to the exploits of the
Oreto alias the Florida, the Alabama alias the 290, and
the Japan alias the Virginia. The hon. gentleman hav•
ing dwelt upon the provisions of the Foreign Enlistment
Act, and to the attacks which the above-named vessels had
made upon the merchandise of a friendly power, remarked
that every vessel which was captured by them was taken
note of by the American Government. In all cases the
value of the vessels seized were taken by deposition on
oath, and in all cases a claim was made for compensation
on this country. The Government always resisted these
claims, but that was the most serious part of the matter,
and he contended that in such cases every men ought
to constitute himself a detective policeman in order
that these proceedings might be frowned down. By
every feeling of reciprocity towards the American people
we ought to strive to put down these illegal practices. He
thought there was every claim upon the Government to
prevent these armed vessels from leaving these shores. On
this point he constantly saw fallacies running through the

speeches of Earl Russell and the Solicitor-General, for they
constantly confounded two things, the evidence necessary to
detain a vessel, and the evidence necessary to cony -t. In one
case a Confederate vessel went out with a pi ::•r is party;
that was a most deceptive act, and the Government might
have prevented it by putting a Custom- e officer on
board. He hoped that by no technics' sion another
vessel for Confederate purposes would be al wed to escape
from these shores. The terrors of the civil war in Ame-
rica were frightful, but hs hoped they would not be ex-
tended by any connection with it on our part. All he asked
for was neutrality. (Cheers.) Whatever might be the
issue of this dreadful war, let England keep clear of it.
His voice would be mute, and what he asked was that Eng-
land should be silent and sorrowful until this dreadful civil
war was over.
Mr. LAIRD denied that the Alabama went out of
Liverpool in an improper way.
Mr. COBDEN said he quoted Lord Russell.
Mr. LAIRD said he was not responsible for what Lord
Russell said. She went out of dock in the broad daylight.
Mr. COBDEN—Did she take a clearance?
Mr. LAIRD—She did not require a clearance.
THE lONIAN ISLANDS.

Lord J. MANNERS complained of the conduct of the
Foreign Office in excluding Turkey from the proposed con-
ference to whom is to be referred the cession of the lonian
Islands to Greece. He should like to know whether Turkey
had made any demand to be admitted to the Conference.
He considered that the cession of the lonian Islands was
the most unpolitic, uncalled for, prejudicial Act ever com-
mitted.
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Lord PALMERSTON said he had listened with great
attention to the hon. gentleman (Mr. Cobden), but it
and he thought the country at large,
appeared to him that he and her Majesty's Government,
started on the consi-
deration of the matter from a different point. He (the
noble lord) looked upon the two parties as in arms against
each other, and as such, belligerents, and therefore entitled
to all the rights and privileges of belligerents. That which
was running in the head of the hon. gentleman, and which
guided his reasoning, as well as his feeling, was that the
Union was in legal existence, that there were not two belli-
gerents, but a legitimate Government, and a rebellion
against that Government. Now, what was the duty of a
neutral with regard to two belligerents ? The American
Government had laid it down for themselves, for they had
laid it down that a neutral might supply a belligerent with
ships, arms, ammunition, or anything else, although they
might be important ingredients in naval and military
operations. The hon. gentleman complained that her
Majesty's Government had not taken proper steps in
this matter, but had rested upon information derived
from the American Minister. He could assure the hon. gen-
tleman that that was not the case, and he believed that the
hon. gentleman and the Federal Government were not en-
titled to say that the Government had omitted to do anything
by law they could do in reference to this matter. At the same
time he thought this country ought to enforce its law in these
matters as stringently as possible. With regard to the ques-
tion of the noble lord (Lord J. Manners) he said the Sultan was
not an acceding party to the protectorate. A treaty would be
signed by the Powers before the meeting of the lonian
Paz liament.
CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)

BILL.
Thiq bill was read a third time and passed.
AUGMENTATION OF BENEFICES BILL.

This bill, with some modifications, passed through cam-
mittee.
The Rum Duty, the Clergyman (Colonies), the Super-
annuation (Union Officers), and the Alterations in Judges
Circuits Bills passed through committee.
The Colonial Acts Confirmation Bill was read a third
lime and passed.
The sitting was then suspended.
At six o'clock the house resumed.
BANKRUPTCY FEES.

In reply to three questions from Mr. COX, relative to
the remuneration to the Crown Solicitor in the Court of
Bankruptcy, and the terms of the order under which such
remuneration was made,

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that the gross sum
he had mentioned on a former occasion as having been
paid to Mr. Aldridge, was only the sum paid from the
account standing in the name of the Accountant-General
in Bankruptcy, and would not include sums paid to him
in respect to other branches of his employment, and
which were paid in the ordinary manner. Thu gross sum
received by Mr. Aldridge from all sources, during the first
year of his appointment, was £3,565 Bs. 5d.; and deducting
the disbursements, the net sum received was £1,519 7s, 10d.,
and the gross receipts during the third half-year from all
sources was £1,689 Bs. Bd. ; and deducting the disburse-
ments, the net receipts for the third half-year was £663 is.
lid. With regard to the second question, the facts were
these : The Lord Chancellor had originally made arrange-
ments for a single year's remuneration, but subject to revi-
sion after the working of that year. On looking at the ac-
count of the last half-year of the first year, the Lord Chan-
cellor said that a larger sum had been received than he had
anticipated would be the case, and therefore in December,
1862, he directed Mr Aldridge to be told that his remunera-
tion for the future should not exceed two-thirds of the for-
mer amount received under the original arrangement. The
future remuneration of Mr. Aldridge would not exceed
£1,200 a year, including everything.