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London, England, 1808-03-23 00:00:00

ORDERS IN COUNCIL.

Lord 'AtYCIMAND rose again to call fhe 'attention
of their Lordships to :the subject of , the Petitions
which hadalreatly been presented agaiost this mea-
ifure„ and of the other Petitions which were con-.
tinuatly,ponring in, against them. • Their Lordships
surely must feel that when the subjeCtfOund him-
self aggrievectin his most essential
,interests, it was
his right to petition Parliament for redress. Would
the House refuse to aaknowledge that right ; or
if they acknowledged it, could they be at a loss to
devise the ineank of allowing the Petitioners to avail
themselves. of it ? This' was a serionS• stibjea, and
be inneated their Lordships' seriodilittentionto it.
Lord GRENVLLIM ,iriforced the same considera-
tions,' andleped the people; might be heard as long
as the Home of Parliament remained; and was con-
sidered as the refuge to whinh'the people might
apply for the protection of thelr.rights..
,Lord fl.twkrsatiar had 'sliewn hie averseness to
give ,a hearing to the Petitioners., On the contrary,
he had himself last night proposed an amendment,
which might have .procured them that facility under
the conditions to which the prayer of:the Petitions
Ahould be limited. If any:better mode,: which was
nut irreconcilable with the f Orders o the House, was
proposed by any, Noble Lord, he, should not oppose
it ; but after the rejection of the .ameudment he
hinisell had proposed, he did. poi Well know what
proposition he could coke.. • ••
• -.A long conversation here arose, reweeting the
mode and issue of the motions di cussed last
in which it was contended by MiniStersAhat the
rejeetion of Lord 'HAWKEsetritY'S Amendment was
imputable to the Opposition ; while, thvthe--Op-
position, it was 'asserted, that the •Arnendment was
negatived by the Noble Secretary's own..lriendi.
Lord BOOKINGRAIOHIRE at length rose, and ob-
serving, that 4b it seemed to be the general opinion
Of the Hoose, that the Petitioners should be heard,
and .that the only obstacle was, to,devise a modeof
bearing them consistent with the Orders of the
.Uonse, lie would endeavour to retnove that ob-
stacle and difficulty, and .would take the liberty of
now inevingi that the House do resolve itself into a
Comoiittee ofthe wholti.,HoUse to consider of the
•OrderS in Council.
" `The Leith CHANCELLOR,. Lord HAWKESEURY,
Lord klAnaoWav, and :Lord WESTMoRELAND,.op-
-oo4edrthe motion ow the"ground that a similar mo-
tion had, already been made on due notice, and
•solemnly negatived after a long'and laborious dis-
motion,. and would they, or could their- Lordships
now agree to entertain the Sante motion, without
.any notice at all, when the House was thinly at,
.tended, and when their opinion.,might .taken by
surprise.
Lords 014811VIL.LE, LAUDERDALE, AUCKLAND,
GREY, -1101.14 ND, and 4I4SKINE, cis roundly asserted
that the
.motion .of the Noble Earl, could by no
'weans ;be liable to such an interpretation : that it was
evidently made with a view to relieve the House from
the perplexing situation in which,they stood upon
this 'natter : that it was .trot brought.. forward as a
thing unexpededond in• a thin atte,ndance; but on
a day on which their Lordship' were sitmmoned to
attend :respeding those very 0 ders in
Council' against which the Petitioners prayed to be
heard...
Lord GaiNvit.La of to withdraw hut motion
which stood tot. 10-morrew, if the Feud' consented
to entertain the preseut,moiioD. • •
Lord thicKINOHAM4IIIRE said, ilgt in proposing
this motion he had discharged he conceived
to be his duty.; but findiHs that it failed in accom-
plishing obiea, he had in view, he should, with
the !cave of the I:LA.I,e, withdraw it.
This gave rise to a tit, t tier conversation, many Ndhle
Lords on the side o, Oppo4ilioll eXpELISsiog a wish
thatthe 'notion might not 'be' withdrai.vn ; while
Noble Lords on the Side of Ministers, and particu-
larly' the Loan CHANCELLOR; dwelt on the pro-
priety of withdrawing the motion.
The questiuniwas then' put that 'the Motion be
withdrawn, which was agreed to without a division.
Lord flot.t.,k.tv,, previous Rohe discussion of his
Motion'on the general policy of the Orders in
wished for the produCtion of some Papertii.,p3r-
tieularly of a Note to Lord Howick from the Ame,,,
• rican Commissioners, wishing for an explanation of
son.e points in matters that had passed between
them and his Ma.y},ty's Commissioners.
Lord HAWK,ESI3VitY would make inquiries about
that No*, and would produce it to-mot-10W, if
deemed necessary.
COMMERCIAL POLICY OF THE ORDERS IN
COUNCIL.
'The :Order of the DaY was then moved, and
Lord L.l UDERDA E rose to make his promised
motion respecting the result of the operation which
the Orders iii COutmil most have on the general
commerce of the , cou:itry. His. Lordship took a
wide field in arguing this point, but insisted -chiefly
pa the injurious tendency they must have, first and
directly on Amerien ; 2dly, and indirectly, on our.,
elves. The'Orders in Council must sink 'the value
of all the' articles of Amorion export, and thus
'.disable the United Swats (thin paying the debts they
owed to' this Country. .By suspending or annihi-
lating the trade of America, there would be no inlet
• into Inc Continent for' our. Colonial produce. In a
Word., it was tild‘Objem and boast of the Orders' in
Council toirelieve Our West-India Colonies, and to
itweate our.general trade. Now experience would'
prose the Ilia to be, that they wowed aggravate the
embarrassments of our. West India Planters, while
they most tend to the detriment of the general coin_
.rnerce of the Empire. Besides their operation upon
France
.would he very different indeed from their
effeEts open • the' inhabitants of this Country.. In
Erance it was well known that out of .20 sub-
limed on-,agricultural pursuits, while in England. t
out of 20 depended blur their comrnerc id and ma-
taufaetural industry.. In a ,word, the Orders. in
Council might.affetit the luxury of France; but they

must prey upon the eery subsistence of Great tfti;
taint Lordship concluded a (string of ROlolu».
Cons, to the number of ~even.
Lord ,BATLIURST made a
.very comprehenslV*,'
and ablo'.reply to all the statement s of the. Nublo
Lord, and 'proved, by titts, that since Ilion both
our exports and the imports of Americg had con 9..
derably decreased, previous to the issue of the Or,
tiers in Council; and that since- December last they
had again recovered and, increased in,thevery articles, •
the demand for which, according to the arguments
of the Noble Lord, most have' been diminished by
the operation ,of those Orders..
- Lord Kitio spOke in. support of the Restitutions of
his Noble Friend. • , ••r
Lord UREA VILLE went over his former ground,
of the ruinous consequences to our Commerce
which might result trotu tte Orders in Council,, par-1
titularly' as they atlected America, and
.which, he
contended, would 'be the real cause of the war be-
tween •the two Governments, if war should ulti-
mately prove the consequence of what was now
transiding. He did Cot stick at saying, that the in
tention of such a measure as the Orders in Council„
was, the real cause of the Embargo laid on by' the
' United- States and that such an intention was'
known to• the American Government antecedently
to laying on the Embargo.
, Lord HAIPKESBURY would not at Ablate en
hour enter again on the repetition of arguments
which had already been adduced in this question,
but would content himself with saying, that as tar
as his information went the American Government
kneW nothing, of the Orders in Council when lbe
Embargo was laid on in the American Ports.
The question was now impatiently called for, and
the House divided on the question of .receiving Lord
Lauderdale's Resolutions—

Contents • .1, • 21
Non.Contenrs - 56

Majority for Ministeri .3.5
'Adjourned at a quarter-past Twelve o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
TUESDAY, MARCH -22.
Lord FOLKSTUNE deferred, till Tuesday the ?9th
instant, the motion of which he had given' notice_
for to=morrow.
Sir ARTHUR WULLESLHY gave notice, that
to-morrow 'he would move for leave to bring in a
Bill for the better Administration of the Police of