The Sun.
London, England, 1830-11-09 00:00:00

DELGIUIII.

Mr. HOBHOUSE observed, that he should be very
heppy if he could yield to the suggestion of the Noble
Lord, but the question he was now soked to postpone was
one on which not only he felt the greatest degree of
Anxiety, but which he was convinced, with the single
exception, perhaps, of Parliamentary reform.--was viewed
by the people in the 11104 anxious manner, namely, the
qmation involved in the resolution he meant to move,
that there;ehould he it pledge from that House, that Baia
country would on no account interfere with the form of
Govertaneut in Belgium. His motion stood in the order
hook for au early day, and he emit(' not consent to post-
pone it for any but a very short pw toil.
Mr. BROUGHAM suggested the Friday following.
Mr. HOLIIIOUSK said he viewed the question as one
so closely connected with the giant of supplies, that he, tut
It Representative of the p mile, should certainly not con-
sent to,grant one single shilling if it were to be employed
in interfering with the Belgians.—(Hear, hear.)—He
then consented to give notice, tliat on Friday the 19th
be should move an Address to the Crown on this subject.
Now that lie was in postiCasion of the House, he would
ask the Right Hon. Secretary for the Hume Depart-
ment, whether that which he saw in the papers, which;
he had no reason to disbelieve, was in fact true
namely, that there were ennferences now goiug on it
Dowoing-,street, to which the French, Austrian, and
Prussian Ambassadors, and English Minister were par-
ties, but which were not attended by the Dutch Minister ;
and if so, whether his Maitsty'e Ministers lied assured
theinselees of the concurrence of the Provisional Gravern-
ment of Belgium, which was -the Oovernment defaeto,
now existing there, with any arrangements to which the
four Powers :night finally crime? He thought he was at
liberty to speak on this while, as he knew the fact that
the Provisional thwernment of Belgium—that Govern-
, molt which was now in the passesaion of the whole
country, with the exception wily of Antwerp and Mae-
-44910...w0u1d admit of tto interference, and that neither
.by urns nor diplomacy would they allow of any 4ictation
respecting the form of Gammon& which they were to
receive. He knew tilt as a fact; and lie took the liberty
of Sugge,ting to his MajestylaGovenuttent that they would
do well to inquire of the parties themselves as to the line
of conduct they would pursue, and not trust entirely to
the auggesti,in of the Freneh Ambassador. Without fay-
ing anything of that illustrious personages. he merely re-
commended them to diciust any cominunwetiOns which
that very extreordioary perapn might Make. He said
this io nottsequeoce of the determination which hi
knew to the inhabitants of Be/ginin not to
submit to any dictation of place or. England, or
Austria, or PrtiSql, Or of , any uther power. lie
wished also to state, that the account of these confer-
awes in London, so far from allaying the irritation
of the Belgians, or contributing to the peace of Europe.
had a directly ventral tendency. He felt it hit duty to

make this Statement, fur it was quite possible that tl►e
Right Hon. Gentleman to t misinformed as to the
intentions of the Belgian Geyer tonent The Congress of
Deputies appointed to settle the font► of Government in~
tended to be adopted for Belgium would meet in ten d
and after verifying their powers they woul•I proceed at once
to the great question of the settlement of their Constitution,
and then consider the form of Government 'they should:
adopt. Under these circumstances, he asked the Ministers,
why they could not wait till the will el these individuals,
the real representatives of Belgium, was known ? He threw
out these hints for the advice and advantage of the Mit►is-
tors, for, from all the information he had received, the re-,
port of these conferences had excited great initstion in
Belgium, since they appeare►l to be adopted solely with a
view of dictating, to Belgitsm, and to that dictation the
Belgians were determined not to submit. They were re-
solved to ehoosea•Governnent for themselves and by them-
, selves ; and though it was possible that they might come
to a resolution not to have a Republic, yet, if the Allied
Powers should pretend to tell them that they should
not have a Republic, such en attempt at dictation might
be one of the chief causes for their adopting that form
of Government.
Sir R. PEEL did not know why the Hon. Member for
Westminster should assume thst the Ministers he had
mentioned conferred together fur the purpose of attempt-
ing to dictate to the Belgians the form of Government
they should adopt. He could assure the lion. Member
and the Home that the first and only step which the Mi-
nisters had taken at these conferences was one which he
was sure the lion. Member would most readily paripan.—
namely, an earnest endeavour to induce bath parties to
convent to a cessation of hostilities. He did net know
what motive the Hon. Member had for giving this Go-
vernmatt that caution against Prince Talleyrawd. That
illustrious person was the accredited Minister of the King
of the French ; he must, therefore, be presumed to possess
the confidence of the French Government and of the King
of the French ; aud, as far as his (Sir R. Peers) Wiser-
vation went, be saw no reason whatever for feeling any
want of eonfidence in the communications of that alio and
distinguished Minister.
DECCAN PRIZE MONEY.

. Mr. HUME asked when this money was to be distri-
buted? It bad been in the bands of the Government for
the last eighteen years.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT observed that the distribution had
been del4yeti on account of an appeal on behalf of the
army to the Privy Council, and when that was decided in
their favour, an appeal or memorial was presented to the
Treasury against their decision. The Treasury only a few
days ago confirmed the deei,ion of the Privy Council, and
in a few days the money would be distributed.
The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought
up and read a first time.
On the question that it be read a second time,
Mr. HUME asked, what was meant by the resolution
just read, " that a Simply be granted to his Majesty ?"
and he expressed a desire that the House should be fur.
niched with the Estimates on whith the Supply was to
be granted.
't he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the Estimates were already before the House, having been
laid on the table in the early part of last Session.
After a few words from Sir JOHN Neweottp and the
Cuancluon of the Excited:luxe, the report was brought
up, and the resolution " That a Supply be granted to his
Majesty" was agreed to. .)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of
Supply on Wednesday.
Mr. HUME inquired whether it was intended that on
Wednesday any resolution of Supply would be actual)
moved ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
that the motion would be merely formal, as be should not
think of bringing on any such question on a Wednesday.
The motion was carried.
WEST INDIAN INTERCOURSE.

. Mr. HERMES moved the Order of the Day for the
House to resolve itself into a Committee on the Act repo.
latine the intercourse between the Witt Indian islands end
the United States of America.
The Speaker accordingly left the Chair, and that at the
table was, as usual, taken by Sir A. Grant.
Mr. HERMES said that his oldect was to make some
changes iu the Act regulating commercial intercourse
with the West Indian possessions of this country, with a
view to establish a permanent system applicablo to that
part of our trade. The Act he proposed to amend was
that passed in the year 1825, under the auspices of the
late Mr. Huskisson ; and his amendment' would relate to
the ethedule of protecting duties on the productions of
our own country and our own Colonies in exchange with
each other, as compared with the imports into those Co-
lonies from Foreign States. An event of considerable
importance to the empire at large, and unquestionably to
certain parts of our Colonial possessi.mo, had recently oc.
curred, to which it was indispensibly necessary be should
advert, in order to explain to the Committee the views
under which he proposed the change in the schedule to
which he had adverted ; that event was the final conclusion
of the point long contested between Great Britain and the
United States as to the degree and manner in which the
letter were to prosecute their intercourse with the

West Indies. He h►d the gratification of being able
to state that a topic of discussion between two nations
which had occupied the longest time, and was of the
most intricate character of any within memory, and
which had been subject to many variationa of pretension
on both sides, bad now been amicabiy, and he trusted fur
ever, terminated to thesatistaction of t•utlt parties. , Farther,
he had to inform the Committee that the adjustment had
taken place on the basis, and without the slightest do.
parture from that basis, of the Act of which
down defiaitively the principles on which Great llritain
wou'd allow to foreigners a participation in the trado of
her West Indian possessions. It was well known to all
that the dispute upon this point had been carried or
almost from the date when the United States mased to l►e
a component part of the British Empire. The views of
the United States on this subj,et, i►► the fire.: instance,,
were very limited, and they were then willing to accept,
as a sort of boon, what they had since chime,' as a right ;
the British Government was then, and had ever since
been, willing to admit the claim upon any reasonable
grounds ; but various causes, from time to time, arose to
Impede tke conclusion of the question by amicable maven-
lion. In 1794 the proposal of the British Government
was finally rejected by the United States, and in 1810 it

etr.ipit!
was found ittiPtusible'to effect any
ft
ing ui
i•laereaseepoisviitieivne
the
eteGrdeivcetironne
teof
existedcor
lonies were empow.
of the
fronttieutli tteditne to
st time,
etee .otonopntehe tehe enpeil,trotisento,,tflatr shippingepptihnige
country reverted to her original principle of the exclu-
sive possession of the trade of her own Colonies. From
that date until the present scarcely a single )ear passed
without an infructuous attempt on the one side or on the
other to settle the question. By what was known by the
mime of Mr. hubs ,son's /tot a fair
...petting seented.ofiered
fur the arrangement of the commercial intercourse be-
tween the United States. and-the British Colonies; but the
meesuses adopted in consequence by the Republic were
eertait4 not such as to render t'as. Statute Active for the
purposes for which it was passed. Since that slate, the
claims advanced by the United States, in Itia, had been
entirely retracted, or it was obvious that it would have
been impossible to have fully, and completely arranged the
matter in difference. They had uncontliqonally with-
drawn their unfounded pretensions, and this country now
stood on the footing it occupied in 182, and which it an-
nounced to all the world it was determined to mainfain.
Ile was bound to add, anti be should not do justice to the
United States if he did not add it, that it was impossible
for any Government to have combacteddt negociation, in
which the important intereuts of` both countries were
deeply concerned, in e more frank, straight-forwards von-
ciliately, anti therefore its: he thought% polic.e, wise, and
prudent manner, than !het ptirentsi by the United Stat-e..
He believed thut en this occasion neither party had hail
the slightest reason to cotrplain of the other, but every
just ground of satisfaction and confidence. Certain docu-
ments connected with this important +Attainu had already
been laid upon the t;dile of Parliament, and others,
to complete the series, would, of coarse, in due tin be
communicated. t was fit to state, in"otder 01;4 no undue
impression might e made upon fli\e mind of any
iudivi-
dual, that in concluding thia last and final arrangement.
the, preterit tjorXlllMent had adhered without exception to
eitnl;cePrirelt): I:nnioes
tiolltioidlsyed4adwt°.lnubtfoentneht.li: its l
redecessors fu office, as
former principles but
hail also satisfied the British Government, by nrod4'sng
the etutettnent under whop the revocaeo of thul
plea was to take etLet'i eril teat any ambiguity should
ari,e. the 11104 eirplanatione hail been required on
Ole one side, and given on the other. This country WO
thus called upon, by every consideration, to aduqV.ll"
United State* to a participation in that tradef.rotn ivutch
they have hitherto been exeledvt, 'the 14iw of itiifi *as
framed with it that alt ithould so participate ; and it
ivril the oonduct of the. United States which had
hitherto prevented them from enjoying the benefits which
others had reaped nom pal ticipation. It must lie satis-
factory to the House to learn, that all those matters in
dilkenee were now finally and completely set at rest;
but it was, at the same time, inulispensibly tweessary
to mender what changes bed occurred since the enact-,

ment of the schedule of duties—whetiter anythiatt
had occurred 'since 1825 to render those duties unfi
for the purpose for which they were intended, viz. tht:
due pr ection of our men colonial interests. The
affect of the existence of t oe-heel-course between tha
West Indite, and the United St s h,!l hem, to creite new
channels of trade, end to raise tei a HON class of claimants
to the protection afforded by duties ; it had produced a
circuitous intercourse by means of our torn North Ameri-
can Colonies ; and whatever might have been the inten-
tion of this country in 1825, it was necessary now to tell
the Uoited Stites, th it as they were the cause of the
change, they must abide by the consequence's, The Act
of 1825 contiined the conditions of teptality on which the
trade was to he carried On, and it a!sn contained the sche-
dule of protecting duties; but all parties were at all times
e•iven to understanc that the British Government reserved
to itself the right of altering those duties without responsi-
hility to any foreign State. To avoid the possibility of
mistake, this right IN been especially impressed upon the
Government of the United States ; no objection could
therefore be raised by any party to the course he now
wished to pursue, and, least of all, by that Gevernment
which, from time to time, had changed its tariff just as
olited its temperary view. He should, therefore, pro.
pose some not humaterial alterations in the schedule of
duties, the chief object of which would be to twine the
intereete of the British North American colonies from
'suffering consequence of the confidence with which it
lied embarked in speculations, and made investment*,
under the belief that the present system was likely to be
of tenger continuance. Whether the Colonist* could
claim this protection as a strict right was a different
question, but there was no doubt that Parliament ought
to feel an earnest solicitude for their interests. One object
of the schedule of 1825 was to encourage the introduc-
tion into the West Indies of articles from our North
American Colonies ; it had stucco/dist, but, under the
change of circumstances, it was now the business of this
country to take tiff pert of the duty on "foreign shipping,
which, to the present moment, had existed, and had opt,.
rated against the United Suites. The circuitous trade
through our North American Colonies had been encour.
aged by this Governtnent, and such, as he had already re-
marked, was the desiim of the schedule. It was true
that the lower descriptions of grain and flour had never
yet passed through those Colonies they had been derived
from the United States; but lumber of every description,
wood and staves of the greatest importance to the West.
Indies—had been conveyed thither entirely from our North
American Colonies. The ',AAA, would, therefore, give
increased protection to the Canada*, fur the carriage of
those articles, and u protecting duty would be ituposed
for the maintenance of their intermits : that duty would
he merely an increase of the impost upon lumber; it wat
already 7s. per thousand staves, and he should pro.
pose that it be raised to 10s. Gil. per thousand.
The planters would thus be fmn:shed at as cheap a
rate as they could reasonably expect, and the pm incip!s•
of the change would be to afford that degree of pro-
tection which would balance the foreign supply, so as
to give to the consumer as fair a competition as pessible.
The better mode would be, that he should lay before the
House, in a printed form, a comparison between the two
eeltedtees, so that the House would at once perceive how
the law stood now, and how he propelled that it should
stand in futnre. That comparison was, probably, by this
time printed ; and the House would be aware that, in cm-
sequence of the distance, it was fit that no delay should
occur, and that the new duties should come into opera.
tion at the date of the Order in Council which bud alree,ly
been issued. Ile could not refrain from observing, that
these changes must operate considerably to the disadven-
tage of the United States, and he doubted if any country
permanently gaiae l by the commercial injury of another
State. It seemed to him that much would be gained oil
both sides—to the shipping interest at home, as well an to
our North American pos,essions. It was to him a matter
of the highest satisfaction to mark the growing ptosperity
of those colonies: among other recent benefits, they were
drawing coal in same parts of CUMIN, of a quality of pe-
culiar excellence, which they were lunging to be able to
export to the United Slates. A esstem of free intercourse
must always be preferable to restriction, amid the system
he was about to recommend was far mere beneficial
than that which had so long exist it. Wee such a
state, the entire suspeneian of the intercourse between
our West Indian Colonies and the United States, to be
compared sa that which he now had the satisfiction to
See established, There was an important leeture by which
that schedule was distinguished from all former owe. It
was this—that in wh it.ver territory. the commodities in-
troduced (tom One West Wien Islands into the Uuited
States may have been produced they shall be admitted
without any additional duty. The Hon. Gentleman then
referred to the comparative Larks for the proof of the ad-
vantageous terms under which the produce of our West
Indian Colonies will beucefot th be received in the United
States, and concluded by moving, that it was the opinion
of that Cummittee, that " no duties be imposed on com-
mo•liiies introduced into his Majesty's Colonies in the
West Indies, front the United States of America other
than those described in the schedule."

Mr. GEORGE ROBINSON would not trouble the
Committee with any remark on the schedule proposed for
the sanction of the Committee by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite. But with respect to the lion. Gentleman's
assertion, that all parties interested in the commercial
prosperity of England would receive with satisfaction the
announcement of the new footing on whieh the intercourse
of our colonies in the West Indies with the United States
of America has been placed, be (Mr. IL) could not help
observing, that there was one party deeply interested in the
question, which would beer with regret the change which the
Bluish Govertunent hied thought proper to make in that in-
tercourse. Hu acknowledged that in strict accordance with
the policy of a Statesman, whose loss he (Mr. R.) deplored
as much as any roan--but be would ask the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Heities) it' there had nut been a decided
change in the commercial policy of the !flaked States of
America, since the measures introdueed by the lamented
Statesman alluded to (Mr. Heskision) in the year ISO ?
He asked if it had not bent the policy of those States, Ac-
cording to the tariff tripes enacted, to exclude from their
ten itoty every article of Whist' prodoellon it He would
ask it this be the time to make A change in our commoner-'
cial policy in twoor or the United States, when, by the '
tariff of 1828, our productions are virtu illy Shut nut from
their territories ? Ile ineisted that it had a!ways been the
Odra of the United Stater to obtain that uninterrupted
access to our Colonies in the West which Minis-
tors had now conceded, without arty Adequate compensa-
than. His view of the effect of she present measures was,
that they would throw the whole trade with the West
India I-latela into the hands of the United Stato. to the
exclusion of nor North American Cobol;::, By those
measures, the whole hominess of fot *hipping at present
employed in the carrying tre,Le between the Canadair amid
the British posiessim in the West Indies, would he trans-
ferreel to the cwomeccial navy of the United Statue, But
j the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Berries) had told them that
j they have made mimes:alone which they refueled
1528. Thoho oorooaluno, however, seemed to centrist
in their return to the duties existing hrfpte that time.
When, by their refusal of the term% reeiprocity
fereel them, they found that kin Jie sewn coannervu was itt
jurud, they strove to n0513,-;4414 their loans by the
sition of adelkicamal etuties on British colaoial
He rpeetobeved well the lion. Gentleex„u oppobittt (Mr.
H.) having sail that the consecinenve of the American
Govvrnment p reiating,in idea 'hostile policy might be,
that see should be ecaneelled to hey an iiripeett on Atne-
rican raw psoeltive intr duced into'this etweeelry and the
only question with the Hon. Gentleman then was whether

we could impose such a slimy consistenlly with our own
interests? Mr. Rohiuson roterred to the Cerrespondeuce
of Mr. Calming with the Minister of the United States
(Mr, Gelatin), to show that, in conseciitiniei: of the policy
pursued by that Government ve,,,pecting the intercourse
of the United States our colonies in the West ludic*,
an alteration i4chities to which American 14odusie should
be sub;etessil, upon its importation iuto those colonies,
must be effected by an I.o4islature and not by
treaty or CallVc.titiailt Oh. R. insisted. that our
colonies in Niarill Amnion had a right to e_,oplaiii 111,4
they, %W;) taken by iurprise when inea.wres effecting their
commercial interests to deeply, viewer adopted suilihnly, inn!
without giving them any notice to prepare themselva fur
the elutoge. At the time of the Treaty of (.bent, thv
merchants and other pertions interested were made ac-
quainted horore-hand with OR 4.4tigeo which it Was
proilatati to Act its
.ulna commercial relations of the
totes who, ty parties to that treaty. He
why wiiie the British subjects in North America nest
considered entitled to a similar ncit44 4 oloipp,tooiouldx
affecting their cominerei! Liktervitta7 gave the 14ht
lion, Gendeqt44 itvcirt foN 44. !AO diagoisod Mid

impoc;oo,t .t 4 kropoled cuoaturo-- tiat-noly,
the c!)9l4)erciti; intNroigti) of britkil *objects would butier
•

by it, 4401 eseoidlly the skipping interest, He knew thikt
it had been the policy of the Government of tilt cuite4
Staten, in its Anxiety to obtain fur its, conik%erciai navy the
advantages which it must derive from en extells'on of the
intercourse between thode4tates sod our West India Coin,
ow, to mircsent that both parties would loin by the
tondo' intercourse. lie never believed it, In vnuseq,lignoe
of the proximity of the West Indies to the coasts of the
United States, every change in the Weld Indian markets is,
known in the commetoial towns of that. States 4 month
hert4re thit ittigiallttiott cern re4ll our Vorth Atiltrien

Celonies. In that wey the Artieriesns of this United Stetai
you'd have overwhelming AltVel;itnre in the competition
with the Canadian merchants. This measure, tic elute,
would go to destroy au important each of stir sh;ppiu
nterest, which hid grown up sv't'eie the lest tWeuty years
n New Britain, Neva Scoria, Si)t the Cattatlas. . The VP-
;isteitol tsmumge of the Britielt We. t India 1.1 trade and a
aur North American Colonies had in one year increaapil
by mettle 60,000 tons.—( Rear.) The carrirge heremfure
has been exclusively by British ships, anti that to the
enteurmt of one million tour, the greater part of which ttmust,
in the competition with tie Unites! States titavimich tyre
prOpossd nterettre would give rise, be transferee 1 from
the betels of our colonial inerch mot. In the course of a
few years; all the vessels eogegtd in the earrying trade be-
tweets our North American colonies and the Wet India
islands must be laid up. That branch of time shipping in-
terest, which hitherto lead not suffered the same derretnion
to the other branches of the British commercial navy,
would be reduced to a condition of which it did taut require
he gift of prophecy to predict the results Much stress
had often of late years been laid hey lion. Gvuthotien oppe..
site upon the improvements that hail taken place in the
Canatles. Immense sums of money bad been granted by
that'house to push the prosperity of those cottniee still
'urther—cauals had been eoustt mite! in them at vast 'ex_
pence to this country ; British auldecte bud been encou-
raged to transfer large omit mis from the United Kingdom
to the colonies by of description" of their prosperity.
Ile would reds, them, shall the Ilritisht capital now ittetated
in maeltinery, in shipping, and in the rericultural improve-
ment of the Canadas„ be totally secrificed? He wart sure
that the monteot time news of time mearture antmotatmeed
elmould reach those colonies, all speculation would Ise sus-
pended, anti instead of affording an any moo to the super.
abundant part of the population, the distreesey resulting
from the ineettures would neveeserily eggrevate the
distresses of the empire at huge. Wizen the eoneide-
ration of the question wax pressed on the Governments
in the theme of Mr. Canning and Lard Dudley, it was
declared that they would not consent to entertain it, un-
less time American+, should revise the tatiff of .184.eti. It
could not, therefore, be spill, that we were now making
the comtnercial change% in areormiatome with the views si
the two statesmen (Mr. Canning and Mr. thiskiseon),
alluded to by the Right lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Haney), unless time American Government bad altered
their whole commercial! policy !dove time time of those
statesmen. Would Mr. Canning or Mr. Iluakiaroa can.
sent to such changer, after the hostility which the Anie-
rican had ellAteirel4ll to our interests ? At
the very moment when we are unmaking auch concessions
in favour of time United States, they are acting on decidedly
en opposite principle. Their whole scale of duties) is one
of prohibition as regent* the importetion of British cola-
niel produce. They It eve showu no disposition to concur
in time liberal arrangements of this Governme ent. lie hell
some interest in time West India ; but he could not
see that they would ba benefitted Icy those changes which
mount, at ail eveitts, operate injuriously upon the North
American colonies. Time United States can supply thoese
islands with every article with which they are at present
supplied by Gre it Britain, amid by time Canals'; and thus
that trade will be sacrificed which it wets the oust elms.
sirahle to meintain—the trade which consists lit an
interchange of sopetfluitiets bet weer: one part ref the
empire and another. Ile, however, felt *Welled that
the West Indies, in stipplying America with runt anti
sugar, must lose entirely the trade they at present enjoy
with our possessions in North America, anti a evert port
of their tilde with time mother country. In all ettr newt.
clarions witlt the United Suttee, the latter have had time
advantage. Ile did not tluewu sto ray that our Alitristets
were less talented as diplomatists titan Bowe of America,
hut they had exhibited Islet knowledge of the relative coin-
mercial,interests of the two countries. The whole policy
of the United Stater towards us had beet. tome tit tefaVielime
and prohibitions, while ones bud been to open to them
first with. North America, then with the United Kings
done, and lastly with the West lonics. lie %honk, hoot
that the present measure might pore as ReiValltageotie as
was anticipated by them lien. Gentlemen opposite (Mr.
Hen its), but he leered that not only would our shipping
interest he injuriouely affected by it, butt evert the West
Indian Interests, which it was proposed to benefit, would
Huffer front it a considerable loss, The changes, if matte
at all, ought at least to be gradual ; otherwise *udders
transition must bring on extensive soul irretrievable ruin.
The Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. lierrles) had said that
as soon as the house should ratify the echednle then laid he.
fore it, the ports of America would, aceortling tee thelbeta.
sident's Message, be thrown open to time intrmluttion
of our colonial produce, and be had urgeel Chet we
should not delay tee fulfil the required condition, its in
the wen time we are continually losing by time imposition
of the old (Lilies. He believedo however, that we would
be much greater losers by the exeltomion of British.
eornmoditiee from the West Indies, which court be 'Mimes
dietely neoasioned by the influx of American protitree wiristh
would be poured into timer islands, nosier advsntegee with
Which our men:haute could not compete. lie hoped that
Government would allow time for those whine intstreete
would be affected by the change, to epare thernaelvsa Sot
the result, The changes which heti heretofore been made
in the cotntnereial policy of this country bed been intro-
duced so suddenly as to involve in ruin all those who were
uunoerned with the branches of trade affected by the alte-
rations. fMr. U. twain referred to the correspondence of
Mr. Canning with the American Alinioster, from which he
endeavoured to show that Statesman's policy to have been
directly opposed to the measure now adopted.] Mr. Can. •
ning hail declared, Out whatever change should be insole
in the intercourse between the United States and the West
Indies should be effected try regular motion before that.
House. The change ehouhl be made by en act of time
Legislature, and not by negneistion between the two Go-
vernments. Contrary to that declaration, the House was
then called oft to confirm a Treaty which Government had
alreadyratiried. Theffouse was may consuittel as to they
roe of duty; the Government bad already tiecithei open
the principle. He concluded by muting the Douse that
in the statements which lee had nude 'he had not been in-
(Wowed by prejudice; and that lee would he Omni to be
storreeted, if he were tribstAtet in his viente,
Mr. K. DOUGLAS considered Chest every regulation
tending to extenri time intercourse between, the two nations, •
Great Ihitimin and the United States, meet give 11111111111
coulttlestee to the merchants anted). Gentlemen must
'..el'aret that in this attempt to protect the peculiar interests `•
atria North Ametieen colotimes that protection must bet
purchased wt the ettionee of other parts.of the 'British em-
pire. its consequences. of the distressed condition of the
West Indian interest for some time pest, the Board of
Trade had investigated fully ell the burdens borne by these
colonies end bad inquired into the camas* of their dietretes.
The result of that inquiry had been, that no taunter.
itailing duty would he imposed leer their relief: end the.
Ilotree was therefore celled en to remove time burden to
which they wore subjected for the benefit of other parts
of the empire.
Sir G. AlliftilAY thought that he espiaiueil eiready
.that the West lutlian stolonies would Cella/MO tO eveViVA
without duty what they now native on iktymeat of A
duty. Time uondition of the West littlish' collet, at all
events, be improved ; amyl, lee (Sir C. Alm ray) dill sot
et tneeive that the im w
provement ould he effeettel at the
expence of the North American wine miss. He could not
agree with the lion. Gentiertmeu etppoeite, in his in.
terpeotetion of the language of Mr. Coming. lieu-
ing cntersti into treaties with the Spsnittis settlements
in America, anti with other countries, and when we
find that the United States of America (the noly cOelotly
which was excluded participation ice the tout.
tierce with our colonies) were Waling round, it,alitl acm
advisehle to admit the United Suttee tee that Inuit Ott
tide fl4lllO COlntithoni me which it wes.eitjeytel Imy alter mm%.
dons. The only questrom I then to he considered se is,
whaler time duties dermerilred its the achedule submitted to
the House were sufhpient for the protection df our role.
tlial interests, if they were euffiehmat, the illgtellietit of
the Hon, Gentlemen opposite fell to. ties ground. The
prinoiple on Which they were.fountleti was that.of pe wee.
The Hoot Member for MititilettexjAir. Hume) bad
said, that the prmtpotted duties were net high ; stm that time
whole tpteetion wee note only one or degree,
k, DOUGLAS made tenor esplanatemin, of which
we could not collect the it-nix tt.
Mr, HUME said that the Ministers had 011 the pteeent
nee:lsiah furnished an example of the folly of hrinefomg for.
warml a plstm foe elm purpoee of pleasing every is sly. Thcy
had sweetened in pleating nobody. The West Initiate worts
taissatislied atilt the North Ameriestte were dissatisfied, amt
(i"L(1, II ) was dissatisfied. Time fitivettrotent prolemoted
to, tiet it time let ineip!e e,111.0 tfle,fe. WO thee pritl6l,lt, wed
upon ire the practice *rented to liras to he tlott of otakine
fctoltt'„g tea evtlisiletleirett4litt:ldr•tittt:ltmics‘ttteYstutt4ti
ir,m4mAlue(i,uoginiureivesittle tee
it letedlitto•spc4euat
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11 went rnnyide.rrtl us
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would see,the nocestity of laying open the whele sat ties •

. .
of entering his protest against the monopoly of the West
Indira ; and as to what the Right !lon. Gentleman hail
said respecting the improved dieposition of the present
American Govermnent to treat with us, be saw no reason
to complain of the conduct of former Governments ; at
least he saw no grounds for the assertion that the present
Government of America was at all more disposed to treat
than any of its predecessors. He could not help expres-
sing his surprise that any one would: suppose it would be
beneficial to this country to adopt the American Tariff;
at the same time it was to he observed, that the Americas
duties did not amount to 100 per cent., while, in a case
that could be stated, the dOty imposed by the Government
of Great Britain amounted to 1,200 per cent.—on To-
bacco, as the House knew, there was a duty to that extent
imposed. Was there any hope that the Government and
the Legislature would at any time arrive at the conclusion
that we ought to have every foreign commodity at the
lowest possible rate ? Convinced as he was of that
important truth, he could not but deprecate anything in
the nature of retaliation ; and he. therefore, with the
deepest regret, heard die late lamented Mr. Huskiesin,
contrary to his usual prartice, antl direct opposition to
those principles which he attained his highest distinction
by advocating, say that circumstances might arise in which
it would be for the interest and advantage of this country
to retaliate in imposing duties, Those duties were neither
more nor less than bounties ; and surely no ineonsisienye
could be more gross than theaulvocacy of free trade and the
mitintenance of bounties, Uwe% well understood that theeffect
of those duties was to prevent intercourse between the United
States and our West India Colonies ; that object was to be
effected by protecting duties. Now to every sort of pro•
setting duty he was opposed. If any duty were required
for the purpose of revenue, let it be imposed ; but let no
duty he laid on for the purpose of protection, or in any
respect for the purpose of acting as a bounty, and least of
all for the purposes of maintaining' a monopoly. The
time bad arrived when all monopoly should cease, but he
SSW with regret that his Majesty's Government were not
impressed with the truth and importance of that principse.
Mr. CHARLES GRANT observed, that the subject
before the House involved two queetions—the first was the
great principle upon which the measure rested ; the second
was what might be called its det ills, or rather the means
by which the object in view was to he carried into effect.
To the latter of these divisions he would not address hitm•
self; as to the former be had to observe that, in any die
cussion respecting it, he wished to look upon it as a great
national and imperial question, net having for its object to
benefit or injure any particular class; neither in our North
American nor our West India Colonies. They were not,
as he conceived, then to enter upon a discussion of the
principle established by the Act of 1822, and. recognized
by that of 1825—recognised upon an enlarged basis.—
Against the re-opening of any such question lie begged
most distinctly to enter hie prote it. It Was not to be
made a question then, or at any time, whether or not their
Colonies were to be preserved in a flourishing condition, or
whether means were to be taken by the Government of
Great Britain for preserving relations of peace and amity
with a great commercial country, allied to us by birth,
and that ought to he united by a kindred origin ; it was
not to be then made a question whether we ought or ought
not to cultivate friendly intercourse with it great nation
that was expanding itself over the great continent of Ames
siva ; it was not to be mooted: whether the laws of GM or
of nettle could make us the natural enemies of such a
people.—( Hear, hear.) There was no regulation favour-
able to commerce that we could make, which was not as
essential to our own welfare as it could be to the welfare
of the United States. The Hon. Member for Middlesex
had spoken of the difficulties attendant upon negeciations ;
but as he (Mr. G.) trusted that the prevent measure
would close the chapter of negotiation upon this subject,
he should be most unwilling to call upon the Government
to retrace its steps, or renew discussions which he consi-
dered as so happily closed. The objects of the United
States, as he apprehended them, haul been most incor-
rectly stated in the course of that discussion their demand
was nothing less than requiring freedom to trade with our
Colonies upon the same terms as the mother country traded
with those Colonies. On three or four separate occasions
the principle was avowed and acted on, both in 1842 and
1823. The object appeared tribe to induce us to abandon
the advantage* which we derived from the possession
of
Colonies. It was not to be endured that any country
should attempt to compel this to adopt any particular code
of cowmen*, or to dictate to us the manner in which we
were to deal with our own municipal regulations; hut the
period had at length arrived when the negoelation was to
ow closed, sod it would be for the honour and interest of
this country 'soldier to suffer its dignity tui 'be offerideil
with impunity oft the one band, nor upon the other to
cherish any acrimonious or vindictive feeling. After ad-
vei ting to the improved feeling on this point which pre-
veiled in Canada, he concluded liy-efrpresting his satisfac-
tion at the general character of the measure.
31i. BERNAL said, it was quite't mistake to suppose
tint the present measure was anything in the nature of a
boon; for it was not to be forgotten that the 'West Indies
derived a great portion of their staves through the neutral
Island of fit. Thomas. The :measure was in no respect
either a partial or a general concession.
Mr. BERRIES explained—ffe never asserted that it
was a boon. The present measure arose nut of a sincere
desire on the part of his Mojesty's Cover omelet to close
the popuiation upon the broad principles of justice. It
Was never asserted, for a moment, that they had any
other 'object than protection in framing the schedule ; it
never was done for fiscal purposes, Though' averse
from protection in the ahatract, he could not in the pre-
most instance consider it in any other light than as highly
eapedient.
Mr,' WARBURTON put it to the Musa whether 100
pet cent. ad valorem was a reasonable and moderate pro.
tiction? It was contrary to every principle, of free trade
to force upon the country a dear article. It was his in•
tention by arid bye to give notice of a motion for the 211
December, for a Committee to investigate the timber
trade with Canada, He intended to make a motion of
that nature, if the question were not previously taken
up by some Member of his Mejesty'e Government. Be
confessed, as lie Was an intereeted party, lie should mush
rather see the matter in their handle than Undertake the
task himself.
Mr. HERMES said the Commission on the subject
might be revived, which Would answer all useful piarpooe.
The Motion was then put and weed ttt.,
sfiEtUFFS,..,..IILELAND.

Sir It HARI/INGE moved for leave to bring in a
Bill for improving the Administration of Justice in Ire-
land. The Bill would relate chiefly to. the dies of She-
ritf--,it wee one which had been introduced in the last Par,
liament, end which, owing to the abrupt rummer in which
the Session terminated, wee dropped. The MO which be
intended to introduce would differ only in merely teehni.
cal matters!, and when it came to he printed, Ron. Meet-
here would see that the Bill was calculated to promote the
object prorated, namely, On improvement in the, ithninis.
tration of onstire in. Ireland, and for the better regulation
of the office of Sheriff in Ireland. " •
Mr. RICE hoped some improvement would be effected
in the mode of appointing Sheriffs in towns carpi:nate. It
WO a reproach to the Irish Members that the Report upon
the loNeitt in question bad romeined so tong a dead letter,
they laud now made a beginning, end he hoped that it
wool., energetically he followed up.
Sir IL RARDINOB said thst though there might
abuses in towns corporate, stet the Iteptirt did not allude to
that subject.
Mr. RICE explained.
After a few wew4s from Mr. Mt VERT Y, leave
was. given.
The House then adjourned at s,t)uorter past Ten o+clock

Laid night a dottlemptilde mat pro:ow/fed along the
Strand to the West-end of the Taws. They proceeded
to Laid Iblttturses, and utteced discordant noises, with,
out, we understand, doing toy taib.eltiel: The police
made their Ilpik aratl4o, And, atter a aught revaistance,
trise.ceetleti in dispersing thew. While pirmititle of the
police, we cannot, help celliog the attention of our rattlers
to the character bestowed oft 1;104 in the Haute of Com-
mons Litt night by filr. I)eroriawn flit writ he could
truly say that he believed them to be tistety oteitigent, a
very steady, and a very respectable body cif tnegi
fat added, s 4 lie wet aorioos particularly to hear testt Aotty
to the very eaaited conduct of those officer* of the police
called the inspectors, wittrit it; every instance he bail
found Pi be intuit attentive, arid Int4ll4‘.ept, and proirer.
In trotoy instances he bad Intuit them teasing bribee
with firmness anti tentper, Anti exerting a zeal aril
altltit
its the discharge of their duty" that well deserved the
thanks of eve, y vispectable main" totrtlritY is every
la the case of a poliee. When ts'e oi.pollect how
much the tnetropolis suffered from the base atael effrn.ll)t
aliatala captqui4gid by tire police, we ought to be just at
lettst t,e Once- who ptmcsa iiEe redt4troing virtoo of Iraq-
efirenide.
lit tile account of tip': citric vrepSratiotts, It is
wi et that part %)t• the Lout* hiAVfneti paraphernalia irr
adorned with " the order of ki.14.8." What this " order"
Lit we are at
a We* to CanCtia'a. lb .Passfitiose, xerst itti)
,w,sre, speaks of so order in width zonther letter it bah-
dtititted for the first of tint*, but of emote that consult toe
the ilistinotiou ttJltiol44l to, theugh it looks very like lt,

EXPRESS FROM PARIS.

FROM 'ruE SECONO EIHTIOikI OF THE AtORNING

HERALD.)

' (Finn the Mes.cager ales atambres of yesterday.)
PARIS, Nev. 7.—M eleven o'clock the King presided at a
Council of Ministers, which terminated at one o'clock.
Hit Majesty was afterwards engaged with the Keeper of the
Seals and the Minister of Public Instruction.
The King lilt the Palace at two o'clock for Neuilly, accom-
panied by the Queen, and Mdlle. Adelaide, his Majesty's sister,
A letter from Brussels states that a considtrable number of
the Belgian volunteers have formai the plan of destroying the
monument on the field of battle at Waterloo, as it only has the
etßet of perpetuating a gad recollection for Belgium, and for the
entire of Europe, considering, that the triumph of that day has
had no other result than forcing Belgium under the yoke of
Holland, and placing Europe in the hands of the Holy Alliance.
it is, however, our opinion, ,that the destruction of a mono.
ment, no matter of what description, is an act which must
always bear the stigma of Vandalism ; besides, since the exist-
ence of the press, the mere removing of a heap of stones cannot
etface a fact front the memory of the people, nor from the pages
of history. It would be much more reaponable for us all, Bel.'
giant, French, Germans, the victims for fteen years of the poli-
tical doctrines which etrectually emanated from Waterloo, to
preserve the recollection or a disaster so generally felt, and in
which the victors lost, in a moral sense, as much as the van.
qui,,b(sl, and to keep this in our memory, for the purpose of
',Tweeting us from internal discord, from excesses, and even
from too great a confidence, which may give the advantage to
those Cabinets which are the blind enemies of the liberty of the
people.
butUSSEI Nov. 6,,M. le Comte de Merode expired at four
o'clock yesterday, not being able to sustain the violent effects of
a nervous fever, under which he had laboured for four days.
Some hopes were entertained that the severe operation which be
bore with great firmness, would have save! his life, but the
public expectation was not realized. His greatest regret was
not to be able to follow his companions to Antwerp, and he was
more occupied with the safety of his country than his own pain-
ful situation. His death has caused a most general sensation of
sorrow. ills family have determined that he should be interred
at Bersham, near the spot where he received the fatal wound,
ANTWERP, Nov. 4.—The alarm which has seized upon this
city ought to subside. We have no hesitation in declaring that
there is no probability of reprisals being taken on the part of the
citadel, General Chasse has given,* promise that he will not
again leave that fortress, unless forced by some serious provoca-
tion. It was to M. Chasid, the Government Envoy, that he
made this declaration.

Negociations are now pooling for the purpose of arranging an
armistice for an indefinite period and to contain an express
dense that any renewal of hostilities must ho preceded by 48
boon' notice, _ _ . .

'1 'he French Consul has requested all persons belonging to his
nation at Antwerp to quit that city
It is stated, upon positive authority, that M. Montalivet, the
new Minister of the Interior, has given orders to all the Pre.
felts who are now in Paris (upon leave granted by the former
Government) to return Immediately to their respective posts.
(From the coractitutiontirl of Sunday.;

The following note was posted up this morning upon the walls
of the Exchange
The Secretary of the Exchange, after having received instruc.
Lions from the Minister of the Interior, has been directed to give
the most positive contradiction to the reports relative to war, cir-
culated by some uninformed individual, and that proceedings
are to be taken before the tribunals against those who have been
engaged in propagating such Wattles. The note is signed—
BA UDESSON DE RICIIEBOURG,
Secretary to the Exchange.
(From the Journal dcs Debals of Sunday.)
(CORRESPONDENCE FILOM TEE FRONTIERS or SPAIN.)

BAYONNE, Nov, 2. —General Mina has left Tilmidionde for
Cambo. %VlPlat the General was yesterday at a house near Sam,
Santos Ladron passed by this dwelling with a force of 400 men in
pursuit of the brave Mimi, who travelled thirty-two leagues in
forty.elght hours, through the most rugged mountdins. His
hands are covered with scratches and blood, and some of the ho.
Pourable wounds which be received in the former national
struggle have re-opened, l le is, however, as active as ever, and
transmits every day communications to the Junta assembled
within our walls. . . . . . . .

......
A detachment of 30 men went, about nine o'clock yesterday
evening, to search the house? near the Sam, above alluded to;
but Mina had fortunately quitted it two hours before. The party
made the owner get up, and searched every place about the pre-
mises. This is the third time that the Spaniards have violated
the French territory.