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most obstructive body. They had kept the vast territory
entrustee. to their management a howling wilderness,
traverwid only by wild animals, trappers, and hunters.
They had opposed every attempt at colonisation. They
held. under a charter of Charles IL, which gave them
most extensive rights, and if those rights were to be pre-
-.served and enforced by the new proprietors, the Govern-
ment would be without excuse, because the new company
could say that the transaction was open and notorious.
(Hear, hear.) He wished to know what guarantee the Go-
vernment had that the new company would encourage
colonisation. He wished also to know what arrangement
had been come to with the American Government respect-
ing the disputed island of San Juan.
Lord TAUNTON agreed with the Earl of Donoughmore
in thinking that the transfer of the charter, shares, rights,
said stock of the Hudson's Bay Company to a new company
(for in fact it amounted to that) was a most dangereus
transaction, and one which ought to be looked upon with
very great jealousy. The old company had treated the
Indians with great care. The treatment of the red men in
the Hudson's Bay territory contrasted most favourably
with that which they received at the other side of the border.
If anything was to be changed in the management, the
traditions of the company might possibly not be preserved.
As to the colonies of British Columbia and Vancouver's
Island, he had heard stories which deeply shaded the pic-
tures of prosperity drawn by the noble duke (of Newcastle).
He had heard that English settlers carried on a most hor-
rible traffic in Indian women, whom they pm chased from
the native tribes, and brought down to the settlements,
where they hired them out for the vilest purposes, and then
left them to perish by the most
disease, or sent them back to spread contamination amongst
their own people.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE was unable to give any
other information upon the subject of the transfer of the
rights and charters of the old to the new proprietors of
the Hudson's Bay Company than that which he had
already given. The company would not be a new one, for
several of the old shareholders would remain. As to his
having any right to interfere, and to obtain any special The
terms from the new shareholders, be had none.
shareholders did not require his sanction to buy or
sell
their shares. He had obtained what he considered very
important concessions, but as to any permission from
him, the shareholders did notrequire it. As to the condition
of the Indian women, these crimes had existed for centuries
and he did not see how they could be prevented, however
much they might be deplored. The island of San Juan, it
bad been agreed, should be jointly occupied by British and
American forces until the dispute could be finally adjusted.
But the war in America had compelled the American Go-
vernment to concentrate all its power, and the force on San
Juan had been withdrawn about two years ago. Every
application to the American Government to settle the mat-
ter had been met by thp reply that they had too much on
their hands to leave them time to attend to so distant
a settlement; so the matters in dispute remained still in
abeyance.
The bill was then read a second time.
The following bills went through committee :—The Naval
Medical Supplemental Fund Society Winding. up Act, 1861,
Amendment, the Telegraphs, the Sheep and Cattle (Scot-
land), the Oaths Relief in Criminal Proceedings (Scotland),
the Postmaster-General (Sale of Land), and the District
Parochial Churches (Ireland).
The Land Drainage (Provisional Orders) Bill, the Juris-
diction of Justices Bill, were read a second time.
The Officers of Royal Naval Reserve Bill, the Sale of
Mill Sites, &c. (Ireland) Bill, the Volunteers Bill, and the
Regimental Debts, &c., Bill, were read a third time and
passed.
The report on amendments to the Local Government
Supplemental (No. 2) Bill were agreed to.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.

NEW MEMBERS.

Mr. CARGILL (Berwick) and Mr. VERNER (Lisburn;
took the oaths and their seats.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Merthyr, Tredegar, and Abergavenny Railway Bill
was read a third time.
THE PURCHASE OF THE INTERNATIONAL
BUILDING.

Mr. GREGORY presented a petition from the Finan-
cial Reform Association of Liverpool against the extra-
vagant outlay proposed in connection with this new build-
ing ; also a petition from the Society of Arts on the
ground that it is exceedingly objectionable in point of
taste, and the ridicule of foreigners, whose strictures were
only mollified by the assurance that the building was only
temporary ; Lord ELCHO presented two petitions against
urchase of the building; Mr. CRAWFORD, from mer-
the p bankers in the City of London to the same
chants and
effect; also by Mr. WHITE, from
Brighton.
HAWKERS' LICENCES.
Mr. FERRAND gave notice that
wohnether Monday he should
ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer small hawkers
were compelled to take out a licence.
ACCIDENTS ON RAILWAYS.
Mr. BENTINCK gave notice that on Friday, the 16th,
(!txping into a committee of supply, he should bring the
4"1536et of accidents before the house, and move a resolu-
tion thereon.

POLAND.
notice
treaty Mr'
11°T3•MAN gave that on an early day he
A propose e resolution to the effect of
that the
Vienna had been violated in respect
,to the good govern-
meta of Poland by 13.11,,das and that its continuance would