The Sun.
London, England, 1830-11-12 00:00:00

OXFORD ELECTION.

Mr. ELLICE presented a petition einuplaining of an un.
ow, election for time city of Oxford, ordered to be taken
into consideration on the 4th of January,
The Sectxtra having left the Chair, and the House
having resolved itself into a Committee,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOVER rose and
said rite, Sir, iu pursuance of notiee which I have
given, to recommend to the House to fulfil the assurances
which it has given to his Majesty, in its Address
to the Throne, that it would provide all that
nay .be requisite for the eopport of the civil Go.
vernment and the dignity of the crown. If, Sir, diem
ever was an occasion upon which a proposition of thi-
nature was enbmitted to the House' of Commons, attended
with circumstances that might dispense whit any thing o'
restonimentiation on the pa of the Individual moving it,
am sure that this is tteoceasion, There is no one whom
I now address, I am astisfied there is 10 one in the country,
who will not come forward to announce they wish to do all
oetionisry to promots the comfort and dignity of the Crown.
The people are at all times attached to the monarchy, and
anxious to provider not only what mmey be neceseary fur its
proper suport, but even to MACY* ite spootomed
dour, and they satisfeetioo in the splerolourand dignity
of the Crireett ; but on $ll4 present occasion there is an added
feeling at affection whit.pion,t. all in the country,
sad assures me of the uturnioimit feeling of the peopl,
going alone with me in makinj that proidsion for the Crown
which it require*. In making tide statement tno not protect
myself against Uses scrutiny of the proposition 1161611 11119
be submitted to the lbw, and which it may he iii duty.
e-ja the contrary I alit /*cored to meet that examination in
he etriawit form; and I trust, that although objections
may pedlar be taken—objectious on the one hand
that I may riot be dealing with inflicient I:berality ; on
dui other of not sufficiently regarding economy, yet X feel
that I am steering that middle course between the
two *Wattles of parsimony fuel profusion, which wil
vain the approbation of all reflettma mimic t I
.think.
therefor ,e I may submit the proposition without doubt
that die House will approve its Siri in waking
the proposition of this grant for the public service to the
House, I stamp iu ciroutivotanceil quite different from those
wWtt have attended the proposit ,rt of any former measure of
the -kiwi...circumstances in Latuase.ves cred;teble to the
itetuarry 404 to Parliament.»—itottoueab!e W tint she
~,411,0er of the ging whose keel we have had to lately
dritlora, awl sills eaeiting in the highest degree
stair Bacot for the icing ea recently seated on the. Throne,
and In whose &pity wit are litiV oiled upon 0 provide.
The first of these eireiteistanc,ni to wt Leh r would call at
erotism is, soy having to round in the -iituation of
making a propositioa Ibis ide.t tit the house and of
tieing able at the stone these Ski state that ifullog tho reign
wheels has elapsed there has been no period at which the
Mottartit has had to call on:Palliurnent to provide for the
4,144.0 f the oviil,iit.or,this it ibe find oceAlon

the institution of a Civil List in which it has been possible
at the close of a reign to :call on Parliament, to
recollect there had been no debt incurred since the period
at which Parliament last made the arrangement. If Mu.
Gentlemen will refer to documents accessible to every one,
they will find I tun justified in the assertion I make--then
will find that in the reign of Queen Anne the House wa-
called upon to discharge a debt to the amount of 500,000/.
They will find that in George the First's time the sum
discharged by Parliament will one million. In George
the Second's time the sum of nearly half a million we-
' discharged by the How, and an account of the debts in-
cut red on the Civil Litt, which had been created in
the reign of George 111., extending over so long a
retied and under circumstances so peculiar to that
reign the whole sum amounted to something between
three and four millions of money. I repeat again,
that I do think I stand before the House in a petal.
liar fortunate situation, in being able to congratu-
late Hon. Members that a reign has now closed, derive
which there has not been upon the Civil List granted
by Parliament any debt incurred. I say this is
honourable to the Pediment by whom the original ar-
rangement was made—it is creditable to them that they
framed so accurate a statement of what might be
necessary to maintain the dignity of the Crown, that
it became possible for the Monarch to confine the
expenditure within ,the sum so prescribed. But they
have further to congratulate themselves that it was net
only owing to the extent of the grant, for though the ex •
tent of the grant was considered sufficient, nevertheless,
without a proper regulation it could not have been adequate.
Parliament, therefore,' which laid down these regulations
for the Civil List, by which his late Majesty was enabled
to prevent incurring any debt, are entitled to the gratitude
of all those regulations which have led to the effect I have
stated. Nor can we omit upon this occasion to pay a due
tribute of praise to his late Majesty in having so carefully
limited his expenditure—(Hear, bear, and laughter)-1
Say, in having so carefully limited his expenditure within
the sum which Parliament had assigned him, and
having by this opportunity availed himself of the
regulations which Parliament proposed as to avoid incur-
ring thut debt which, in the cane of his predecessors, since
the institution of the Civil List, has uniformly followed,.--
(Hear, hear, hear, mixed with laughter.)--I my , Sir, in
the next place there is another peculiarity attending the
proposition which I am now about to make to the House,
which, whatever may be the feeling of the Honourable
Member far Middlesex, upon the observations which I
have recently mole,' will, I am sure, call forth the appro-
bation and thanks of the House. Trusteed now in the situa-
tion of having surrendered, by his Majesty, a greater extent
of revenue—revenue to a larger amount, and comprising
more heads than has been at any former period
when a Civil List has been called for. Not
only does his Majesty surrender the heredi-
tary revenue, which was also surrendered by his
predecessor, amounting at the present moment to a mum of
not less than 800,000/. per annum, but his Ma-
jesty has also surrendered those venial revenues,
she rights of the Crown and Admiralty, the West
India duties, and those other casual revenues which
have heretofore been left to' the distribution, awl under
the controul of the Crown. The value of these conies.
sions is sufficiently apparent from the papers on the table,
and it is not only us to the amount of this concession I
call upon the House for its approbation, but it Is bee
cause, if it were possible to suppose a -case in
which the revenues of the Crean could be applied to
purposes which Perliament was net disposed to sanction,
there would be thorn very tevenus which would,
without any doubt, be liable to suspicion, and
objection—and in the surrender of them his Majesty has
not only met the wishes of his people, in wishing to reduce
expense, lint obviated objections that might have arisen.
In the propoeition which it will be toy duty to make to
the House, it will be in the first place my object
to avoid the possibility and all probabliity of
incurring debt after the arrangements shall have been
once sanctioned by Parliament. I hold that the incur-
ring of debt after a civil list shall have been established is
the stoat disadvantageous to the Crown, and also
the moat unsatisfactory to the peop!e. In the first place,
the very name of debt carries with it the idea of miscon-
duct in the quarter in which it arises....(Hear, hear. )
I do not say that in all cases in which debts have been in-
Currid upon the Civil List, and brought before the Home,
the imputation has been properly made—far from it;
but this I hesitate net in saying, the very name of
debt curries with it mum imputation nn the conduct of the
party by whom it is made, and that it is not just
or proper in this House in. making an arrange-
ment, to make it of such a nature as shall probably
lead to the incurring of a debt, and casting that 'imputa-
tion one branch of the Government which it is most de-
sirable to 'avoid. sir, if there was an advantage in having
a permanent Civil List, which I admit, and which every
man who has considered the subject must admit, it is in
having once Assigned to the Crown the income which
shall be found amply necessary for that service ; we are
not then render the necessity of investigating the pecuniary
transaction's of the Sovereign, whichit may be gratifying
to some minds, is the most painful and unpleasant task
in which any honourable and feeling mind ran he engaged.
I say, Sir, therefore, the House will act wisely in taking
their whole foundation upon this, that time Civil List
shall be so regulated for the time to come as to prevent it
postible the incurring of any debt by the Crown. Time
first point, then, that we shall have to decide will be
what shall be the amount of the chi! List, which
is 'absolutely necessary for this object, And, Sir,
having 'cuts of this kind, it is far snore safe to be
guided by the experience of the petit, than to in-
dulge in caienlations for the future. I shell
propose, theeffire, to frame Itic new Civil Lis
trather with reference to past experience, than with
reference to any new calculation, 1 'night have it in my
power to make, making, in the first instance, such changes
and alterations as the altered circumstances of the Crown
may render necessary, always, however, keeping in view
the necessity of limiting the expenditureaf the Cretin to that
extent which Pediment may think prudent. Sir, if we
look to the papers on the table, we shall find in them
a statement of what was the full amount which
his late Majesty bad derived from the country for the
purpose of mewing the expenses of the Civil List; and I
shall, in the first instance, state , them to the House, in
,ceder that they may form a just comparison between
diem, and what I shall ultimately propose for the new
list. By the Civil List Act whiols passed at the corn-
tuencement of the late reign, his Majesty received an
annual specific allowance of 850.,0001. for Eng.
lend ; fur Ireland, 270,000 ; and by - an Act which
passed ip the reign of his late Majesty, so much
of the hepaitery lucerne of Scotland as lie thought neces-
sary to apply to the civil service of that country—that
amounted list year to 109,0004 It appears also, that in
addition to the hereditiny allowance of scalene,
Parliament thought it adviseable to leave those sums
which his present Majesty proposes to surreder ; and it
will be found diet the annual average amount derived 4114
late Majesty ',mounted to somewhat more than 320,000/,
In addition to this to present to tha Reuse a fair compari-
son, 1 propose to add that which related to the diplometic
service, amounting during the last year to 220,000/.
The total of these sums, when token together, will
amount to somewhere about 1,221,0001. That sum will
amount to the atinn,3l eapenditure of the late, reign fur the
Civil List. The Right Hon, (lel+ then said that it was
his intonticn to remove from the new. Civil List certain
changes that were made upon it—amounting to about
108,0001. from the income granted to his late Majesty.
The Civil List be should propose to grant to his
prescient Majesty, should not be for the different
but it :should be oats
of the United le;neetem;
(it exuttee Civil, LIST for the whole of the United King-
dom.—(near, beer)—and he should subsequently assign
classes to like several particular parts. The satin he ehould
propose to greet to hie present Majesty would he 970,000/.
to in conformity to precedent 09,0001. a-year to the Queen.
The Right Hon, Gentleman then wonbl, beg the House to
bear in mind that the expense of the Royal Establishment
WAS now considerably enhanced by the maintenances
of the Hoesebeld, and peculiarly applicable t., the
Crown. He would therefore ray that at the lowest
estimate, the allowance to' the Crown fur the year could
not lie fixed at less than 0,070,000, but he wow . beg
the House to recollect that his Majesty had under.
taken to maintain a great portion of his household
by giving up deltic revenues peculiarly applicable to the
Crown.--(fear, beer.)...-Tint Right lion. Gentleman
then adverted to die proposition for cep fitting the pri-
vate and pertonal eependiture of the King, from that
whkeli was peculiar to his public character.—(Hear,
hear.)-.-.H« considered, howeVer, that it was on
many accounts "WPOitfilabier particularly because
there was great difficulty in determining the precise
emonot which ought to be paid to public officers ppt of the
Civ l List. He thought it desirable that the Civil List
should kr peesentiel to the public in such a shape as to
afford a view ofetwpKilenSed applicable to each department.
The Right Hon, Gerialettnen 'then seiii that he should now
use that the Civil List abould tinder the' new system,
prop . • „
comprise ten classes of the public servants. The Grit was
1
toi;otetlease
IlLaiunic:6lit
do: :it: :v)itiiieviyi,Puoir'se
c;oit:rieset:e:ewrea4
wasthe
Gentleman Pensioners ; the' third was, the Officers
an additional expendituro ou tierfamt of the Queen's

establishment ; but the whole would not exceed 210,500/,
which was much less in proportion than the sum
allowed in previous reigns. The next clams was
the pensions of the Civil List, in which thee
was a reduction from 94,0001. to 75,0001.
The next was the provisions for foreign Ministers, the re-
presentatives of the King et foreign Courts, and under the
new Civil List would be comprehended in this class.
all foreign] Ambassadors, with the exception of those
applicable to the consular estahlissliments. The Right
Honourable Gentleman said the House would find
that in the Civil List proposed for the year there was on
the whole a reductionof 165,000/., and hebeggesl to assure
he House there woe a disposition on the part of Government
to bring down the expenses of this department in all its
details as low as was compatible with the interests of the
public service. With respect to the charges applicable to
the diplomatic department, he would say that they were
provided for with the strictest regard to economy, though
the establishment itself would be found fully as effec-
tive as that of any other country.- 'Tn this class
were included the whole of our foreign Embassies, with
two exceptions, those of Paris and St. Petersburg's, which
it was nut thought expedient at present to interfere with,
for reasons which he should state hereafter. He would beg
to observe that this arrangement could not come into
operation till the Ist of January, 1831. But it was not
in this department only that considerable reductions had
been made.--(Hear.) The same system of economy,
the same system of retrenchment had been observed
in every other branch of the Civil List. In what we's
called the full outfit of our Foreign Ministers, and their
half outfit the expenses bad been reduced more. than one
half, deductions in cases of absence from duty' haling
been mule us applicable to these offices. The House
would find that the system had been naarrowed to
the fullest extent that the House could demand.
With respect to the Consular Establishments, he
begged to observe that it had been expressly desired that
she sums applicable- thereto should be annually broughr
before the House itself—and it was on this ground parti.
cularly, it should he recollected, that that department hail
been separated from the Civil List. This arrangemont was
contormable to the wish of many m.subers who piid
peculiar attention to this branch of the public service.
But he assured the House there was every disposition on the
part of Ministers to promote the plans that may be suggested
to further reduction in that department. He calculated that
the expense applicable to our foreign embassies, With the
exceptions to which be had already alluded, would not
exceed 186,800/, and this, he repeated, must be
considered as exclusive of the consular establishment. The
seventh class, whicb was scarcely worthy mention, included
those subordinate offices usually provided for out ofthe here-
ditary Crown revenues, the expense of which would not be
more than 13,700/. The eighth class embraced those
officers applicable to the Irish Civil Departmeni, and might
be estimated at 54,000/. per annum. The ninth class
embraces those of Scotland, together with the salaries
which are paid to the Speaker of the House of commons,
and other civil officers in England, which would amount
to 154,0001., and lie begged leave here to observe
that a considerable reduction had been made. The
Right Honourable Gentleman there mentioned the
tenth class, and observed that the whole amount
of the Civil List for the year would not exceed 950,000/.,
which, considering the increased expenditure coneequent
on providing a separate establishment for the Queen. was
consists nt with the strictest regard to econunly in that
department of the service.
In submitting a statement of this nature to Parliament, it
was impossible to calculate every item of expenditure.
Thre was certain to be some contingency after-
wards to be provided for. When the late Civil List
was formed, in 1820, a sum bail been set apart for I
contingencies that might arise, and it wet only fair that
tire same custom should be adhered to, that the dignity of
the Monarch should be supported, and the Crown placed
in the situation that it ought to he. He should, there-
fore, propose that a suns of 970,0001. should be annually
granted to his Majesty during his life. The House would
recollect that his King had surrendered the Droits of Ad-
miralty, it was therefore necessary that the Crown shoal
not be left witbout means of providing for any
continSency that might arise. He had now gone
through the whole of the Civil Lint, from which it
would be seen that an immediate saving to the public
would arise of 138,900/. and a contingent saving of
116,000/, and this, be it remembered, was at at a time
when they were cieled upon to grant 100,000/. more than
when the last Civil List was formed. It would therefore be
seen that there was a saving of 160,0001. at a time when
trite was 100,000/• more to provide fur. Ifs was con-
Meet this would give satisfaction to the House and
to the country in gi neral—for confident :he was
that in no one wished to restrict the 'splendour of the
Crown,— Hear, bear),—particularly at a time when the
present Monarch and his amiable Consort had so endear,d
themselves to all classes of society by their domestic
virtues and public example.—( Hear, hear.)—Tlie resolu
tion that a sum of money, not exceeding 970,000/., be
annually granted to his Majesty during his life, fur the
support of his Majesty's Household, and the digtsity of the
Crown, was then put from the Chair.
Lord ALTHORP said it was not necessary for bins to
follow the Right Hon. Gentleman through the whole Gf his
statement, for be could not think it possible that
committee of the while I.iouse could enter fully into its
details, or examine it with sufficient minuteness to satisfy
the public.—(Hear.)—He (Lord Althorp) considered it
absolutely necessary that the details ahotild be
examined by a Select Committee, the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman had catered considerable difficulty
in his statement by ad ling in one way and taking sway
in another. It ts as a roost difficult statemeat for thatllouse
to understand, and one that in his opitsion would not
give satisfaction to the country. He could not see
why the different items of expenditure should all
lie classed under one vote—(llear, bear, heer.)—
and there were many things probably included in the grant
of 960,000/. that probably were not at all necessary. The
considered that the Civil List ought only to extend to the
actual expendilure of the Monarch himself. did
not see how it added to the dignity of the Crown that
money should be granted to his Majesty for the purpose
of paying it over again ; and in the first place he
ohjected , to the diplomacy being included in the
vote ;hat. like other grants, ought to come under the con-
sidetetion of Parliament. Neither did he see why the Lochs of
the Treasury, or the Right Hon. Gentleman himself
should receice their salaries from Civil List.—(llear,
bear.)--Ile did not approve of the Civil List us
proposed, but as it was not intended to prism the vote
on that head lie 'should refrain for the present from any
other observations.

(LEFT SYEA EMU.)

LAW INTELLIGENCE.

COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, Nov. 11.

MARQUTSS V. BROOK,.

This was an action of cries. con., which was brought
under these circurnstences :.-11n 1816 the plaintiff, Cept.
Marquess, who commanded the Lady CanspbeitEasOn •
(human, sailed from London to Calcutta, having on board,
amongst other passengers, Captain Partly and.his
who were going out to join their father, Colonel Pariby, of
the Engineers, then residing at Berharnpore, near Ca'cutta.
During the voyage Captein Marquess paid partieular at•
tentions to Miss Per!by, who was a young la•ly of canaille
ratite attractions, which he aPerwards renewed on visiting
her at her father's house. Div addresses being favourably
received by both father and daughter, a marriage took
place is December, in the above year, and Captain and
Mrs. Marquess remained in India until the following year,
when they returned to England. In his neat voyage to
India Captain marquess was again accompenied by his
wife, and they also returned together. In his subsequent
voyages be wits unattended by Mrs. Marquess, who re-1
maine.l in London to take care of her children. For tan
years they apeenreik. to live together most happily, Mrs.
Marquess always speaking of him when absent in terms of
great affection, and evincing very joyful feelings whenever
her husband returned from a voyage, on which occasions
clue invariably went, accompanied by her children, to
receive bim at Gravesend. In the year 1826, Captain
Marquess again embarked for Wirt, leaving his wife
far advanced in pregnancy. She was then residing in
Tunbridgellsce, Brunswick.square, where she was in
some time afterwards eonfisted. Upon ker recovery, she
gm a party to celebrate the christening of her Wry, and,
hired the defendant, who is a professor of mak, and keeps
a music-shop at the corner of Hunter-street, to perform
on the harp for the entertainment of her company. This,
from all hat appeared in evidence, was the commencement
in-
timate, Mrs. Marquess having engaged him to teach her-
of their 4equaintonce, They seen, however, because in-
self the harp, and her eldest child, a girl, the pianoforte.
She also had bins to perform at subsequent parties, solve
times for hire, and sometimes as a guest. Previously to
Captain Merquesa emberliing for India, he direved one of
the owners of his year] to supply Mrs. Marquees with as
much money ae she would require, and that gentleman
accordingly paid her on an average between 4001. and .500/
a year. The Captain also requested another friend of his,
near wboro he had taken a house, that his wife might
cola), the protection of him and his family, to like 31i the
This gentleman, a mitt"
care in bin power of her.
man, having observed Mrs. Marquess walking out with

on &voyage, and returned. to England in that foilowin4
year. He had received, while absent, some comntuniea-
tins on the subject of his wife's conduct, which gaVe him
great uneasiness—and his suspicious were further excited
by the fact that, although his children were sent to meet
him at Gravesend, their mother remained at home, :for the
first time on such occasions, and did not even send him a
message of welcome. He, however, accompanied his
children to Speldhurst-street, where the meeting between
him end his wife was any thing but a happy one. He
was at first about to leave the house that sight, but on the
remonstrance of the nursery-maid, he was induced to re
main and sleep in a separate bed which was prepared for
him in the front room on the second finer, Mrs. Marquess
occupying the back room on the saute floor. One of his
first steps after his return was to consult his attorney on
the subject of his wife's conduct, and direct him to endea-
vour to obtain accurate information of what had taken
place between Mrs. Marquess and the defendant. The
present action was then commenced.

The LOUT) CHIEF JUaTICa summed up, and the Jury
returned a verdict for the plaintifi—Dantageg, 2001.

MIDDLESEX ADJOURNED SESSIONS.

The following appeals were yebtertlay disposed of
THE PRINCESS AUGUSTA V. AT. MARTIN'IP•IX-THE-FIELDS

Her Royal Highness had been assessed towards the
poor•rate for certain premises occupied by her situate in
the Stable-yard of St. James's Palace. Her Royal High-
ness had appealed against the rate, on the ground that the
occupation was merely permissive under the Crown, and
that the apartments were exempt, as forming a part of the
Royal Palace of St. James's.
The only question at issue was, whether the premises
were or were not part of the Royal Palace. The parish
had been led to infer they were not, front the circumstance
of their having an entrance from the street, distinct from
the known Palace entrance. •

To prove the case on behalf of her Royal Highness,
General Stephenson, of the Board of Works, was called
as a witness, and produced a plan of the Palace, from which
it distinctly appeared that the apartments is question were
part of the Royal Palace.
The CHAIRMAN considered this evidence decisive. The
apartments were part of a royal Palace, the occupancy of
which could be terminated at any time, at the pleasure of
the Crown ; indeed, he had heard it was the intention of
their present Alsjesties to take up their residence in that
Palace, in which case it was possible these apartments
might be reclaimed. There could be no doubt of their
being privileged from tans, and the appeal therefore must
be allowed.

THE CHELSEA WATER•WORES V. ST• MARTIN'S•UN•THE

FIELDS.

The appellants had been rated for the basin in the Green
Park, on the round that they had a beneficial interest
therein, inasmuch u they were allowed by the Cruet' to
employ it in aid of their other works for supplying the
public with water.

The appeal WAN made on the ground that the property
belonged to the Crown, and that the advantage possessed
by the Company was merely by sufferance, and might be
taken from them at a minute's notice.

Mr. ALLEY took an objection that, as the rate had been
fixed by Magistrates acting for Westminster, and not for
the county, the appeal ought to have been to the Sesaions
of the former place.

The CHAIRMAN pronounced the objection fatal, anti the
types), therefore, was disallowed.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.