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ATTORNEYS AND SOLICITORS BILL.

Lord BROUGHAM moved the second reading of this
Bill which he stated was for the purpose of regulating the
practice of Attorneys, and for the admission of persons to
practice after they have been three years registered in one
of the Courts of Law as articled clerks, and having degrees
from the London University, and Durham College ; as
they were so admissible at present when having degrees
from Oxford, Cambridge, and Dublin.
Lord ABINGER saw no objection to the principle of
the measure.
Lord BROUGHAM explained. _ _

The Bill was then a read-a
second time.
The Duke of RICHMOND moved for certain returns
relative to the importation of foreign wool into the United
Kingdom within the last three years, with the duty paid
thereon.—Agreed to.
The House then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Ji.r,r 5.

The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly after Three
o'Clock.

Lord Robert Grosvenor, Mr. M. Philips, Mr. Fector,
and Mr. Hirst took the oaths of allegiance to the Queen.
The Lords' Amendments to the Great North of England
Railway were agreed to, as were their Lordships' Amen d-
ments to the Carlisle Railway.
On the motion of Mr. Callaghan, Eversfield Estate Bill
was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to
the Sussex List.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE postponed his motion with res-
pect to Railway Bills till next Session.
Mr. M. PHILIPS presented a petition from Manches-
ter and other places for the repeal of the duty on raw cot-
ton.

Lord G. SOMERSET brought up the report on the
Fictitious Votes (Ireland) Bill.

CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.

Mr. W. H. GLADSTONE presented a petition from
the settlers of the Cape of Good Hope, complaining of the
conduct pursued with respect to them at the Colonial Office,
in consequence of the course they had adopted with reference
to the aboriginal tribes, and praying for the appointment of
a Commission of Enquiry. That the petition was aimed at
the conduct of her Majesty's Ministers he would frankly
avow ; it was not, however, his intention to pass any cen,
sure upon the course the Government had adopted, but he
thought from the statements in the petition, and the circum-
stances that had taken place, there was quite sufficient to
justify the appointment of a Commission of Enquiry.
Sir G. GREY said the petition was one which had been
presented to the Government, who did not think the alle-
gations it contained enough to justify the issuing of a Com-
mission of Enquiry. The inquiry which had taken place
before the Committee had been continued for a long time,
and had been taken in the most fair and candid manner.
They had called before them the best informed men as
regarded the colony, and entertaining all shades of opinion
with respect to the policy of the Government, and he
thought it was quite justified in the conclusion to which
it had come. Ile would not enter further into the
discussion at present ; he would only further add,
that the whole of the correspondence between the Govern-
ment and the Governor had been on the table of the house
upwards of twelve months. He would not comment upon
the language of the petition, because he bore in mind the se-
vere losses under which the petitioners still suffered, which
were the result in his opinion of the bad government
which had formerly existed. Lord Glenelg had already
established a local government on the Eastern frontier,
which lie hoped would be the means of saving the Colo-
nists from those calamities which had arisen to them before.
Mr. F. BUXTON defended the conduct of the Com-
mittee to which allusion had been made. He could agree
to the issuing of a Commission, but on very different grounds
to those which recommended it to the Hon. Member
opposite.
Mr. HUME thought the petition ought to have been
printed. He was in possession of much evidence which
would corroborate many of the complaints contained in the
petition. The petitioners blamed the Colonial office, and in
his opinion their complaints were worthy of the most se-
rious attention.

The petition was then ordered to Be on the table.
EXCISE BOARD.

Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from a soap-
manut4cturer in Liverpool, complaining of the conduct
of the Board of Excise. It appeared that the soap ma-
nufacturers there were obliged to make their bars of soap
to a particular size. In America and other countries,
their pieces were made of such a size as to please
their customers ; but here manufacturers were obliged
to please the Board of Excise, who did not .deal in
soap, but in every species of iniquity.—(A laugh.). The
manufacturer in question had a large quantity of soap,
which was too long for the market. He cut it and ap-
plied to the Board of Commissioners for leave to "re-melt
thc4,kap, which was distinctly refused him, the Board of
4'Cise saying he must keep it uselessly by him. He sent
to Ireland, where there was a difference of duty, and a draw-
back upon that imported. He then met with a customer
who having melted the soap, applied for the drawback, but
was refused it, on account of its having been -imported
from England. The prayer of the petition was, that some
means might be taken, in order to bring the Board of Ex-
cise to their senses—(A laugh)—and the only way to do
so was by means of Parliament. The Hon. Gentleman
also presented a petition from Leith, praying for an equali•
zatiou of uniformity in the bonded warehouse system.
Mr. V 4 ALLEY brought in a Bill to abolish the plu-
rality of voting in Vestries ; which, after a few observations
from Lord J. RUSSELL, was ordered to be read a second
time on Monday.
REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS, &c.

Dr. BO WRING wished to call the attention of the
House to certain circumstances that had occurred with re-
ference to the registration of Births and Marriages. He
understood that the clergy in several parts of London had
called the attention of their parishioners to the solemn rites
they had to administer, and had informed them that no-
thing in the Registration Act interfered with those rites,
and that they were not bound to comply with its provisions.
He wished to know whether his Majesty's Government had
adopted any means for making the law upon this subject
better understood.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that he had no objection
whatever to the Clergy calling the attention of their
parishioners to the solemn rites they were called on to ad-
minister, or of their stating that nothing in the Registry
Act interfered with it. He however thought it most ob-
jectionable that they should advise their parishioners not to
obey the law. The subject was now under the considera-
tion of the Registrar-General, who was preparing a notice
to show what the law really was.
On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the Report
on the Secular Jurisdiction Bill was further considered, and
the Bill read a third time and passed.
The Bill for the Abolition of Punishment of Death in
certain cases was read a third time and passed.
The Central Criminal Court Bill went through Com-
mittee, and was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
The Beetroot Sugar Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Masters' and Workmen's Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Post-office Management Bill was also read a ;bird
thrie end passed.

I'llC Last 111;lrt fogtagi3 bill Was rcpuited, aucl tug Dui
is tiered to be read a third time to-morrow.

The Exchequer Dills Bill was reported, and orderod to
be a third time to.rhorrnw:

vy
The Asseind Take§ Enerription PA! went erifolOi Com-
mittee, was reported, and Orclefed to Le' teed a third tirv,

morrow.
Treasaer of Counties (Ireland) Bill was ft.ici
third t?a?Yr2d!
The Bank of Irciand ;fur 0104 a second time, and
ordcrrd to b committed to-morrow.
Militia Pay Bill was read a second time, and ordered
to be committed td-rtorrns,,-.
The Militia Ballot Suspeusidrt Dill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed to-mortdff.
'Pbe Fstclicumer Bills Bill (Public Works', Irel aid) tn.!,
read a sci-Wid -CO atilll ordered to be committed to-morrow.
The Corporate Property (I t'lanil) Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow,
The Slave Treaties Bill was rsiad a second time.
The Consolidated Fund Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed to-morrow.
TITHE ADVANCES BILL. _ _

Lord 3. RUSSELL moved the second reading of this
Bill.
Mr. BROTH ERTON said Lc bad a complaint to malee,
which he had taken every means to preccnt that were in
his power. He had moved for certain returns eunoected
with the charges made upon marriages at the Collegiate
Church in Manchester. He was perfectly aware that the
returns which had been made were false, and he could not
get tlit!ffi (--,,trteted in a private manner. He was, there-
fore, forced to appeal to the Speaker as t 3 the mode in
which he ought to proceed, in order to procure accurate
intelligence for the House.
Mr. WARBURTON recommended the Hon. Mem-
ber to move in the next session for a Select Committee of
Enquiry, and then investigate the whole case.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the best means of remedying
the evil was to bring the subject under the notice of the
House next Session, and then either bring the parties to
the Bar, or move for a Select Committee.
The motion was then agreed to.
On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, the Reform of
Parliament (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and passed.

BURNING OF THE HOUSES.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in
moving for a Select Committee to inquire into the facts
connected with the losses sustained by the officers of the
House at the burnitig of the late Houses of Parliament,
said, by proposing this Committee he did not by any means
intend to affirm the expediency of compensation being
granted. All he wanted was, that an inquiry into the facts
might take place, as the House was in possession of none.
He moved the appointment of a Select Committee ac-
cording to notice.
Mr. WARBURTON moved the further considera-
tion of the motion to that day month. There was not
time for such an inquiry during . the present session.
He supposed the Right Hon. Gentleman would not form
the Committee entirely of those who sat on the Treasury
Benches, or who were favourable to the claim, and he could
answer for himself, that he should have no time to at-
tend the Committee if his name were included in the list of
the Committee. In his opinion it would be impossible to
do justice to the question, for they would all be engaged in
their own elections, or in the elections of their friends. The
Committee would have to go fully into the question, and it
would occupy many days to elicit facts material for the Com-
mittee to come to a determination upon. A very great
question would be as to the legality of the insurance,
and which they would have to decide upon. He had been
Chairman of several Committees, and the drawing up of
the reports of those Committees would occupy all the time
he should be able to spare. He believed the time of his
Honourable Friend the Member for Middlesex would
be pretty well taken up with matters relating to
his own election, and he believed the time of all-
those Honourable Members who opposed this motion
would be similarly occupied—therefore he moved that the
further consideration of this question be adjourned to this
day month.
Mr. SHAW thought the Hon. Member for Bridport
deceived himself in supposing this was a question of time ;
and if it even were, he had no doubt the Hon. Member
would be able so to economise his time, that, without incon-
venience, he might attend the Committee. He did not
apprehend the Committee would have to inquire into the
question of the insurance, and he thought the Committee
would not be required to sit more than one day. He
should therefore support the Committee.
Mr. HUME opposed the appointment of the Committee
on the ground that it could not come under the denomina-
tion of urgent public business, He did not think that the
House was warranted in indemnifying an individual for a
loss where that individual had the opportunity of covering
the loss himself. It was admitted that the late Speaker
was conscious it was necessary to insure, and up to three
months previous to the fire the property had actually
been insured, and if that insurance had been kept up,
the late Speaker would have been indemnified. In
his (Mr. Hume's) opinion, the Right Honourable
Gentleman opposite was pressing forward this question
when there was not a sufficient House to investigate it pro-
perly. If there was any man for whom he (Mr. H.) would
have waved technicalities, it would hasve been the late
Speaker, as no Member had received more kindness than
he (Mr. H.) had done from him ; that was no reason, how-
ever, why an important subject like the preseut should be
pressed forward at so late a period of the Seision. In his
(Mr. H.'s) opinion, it was most unfair on the part of the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite to press this subject forward
before all the correspondence that had taken place had been
printed anti laid on the table.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that not one word of the argument of the Hon. Gentle-
man opposite was attributable to him. The question had
not been brought forward by him or at his suggestion,
but by an Hon. and Learned Gentleman who generally
voted against her Majesty's Government. The House
was not pledged to vote the money by the appointment
of the Committee. All that the House did by that ap-
pointment was to sanction inquiry. Among the names of
the Committee ho had proposed he had not mentioned that of
a single individual who had spoken for or against the grant.
He would again repeat that the object of the Committee
was not to confirm or reject the grant, but merely for the
purpose of instituting an inquiry into the circumstances of
the case.

SIR F. POLLOCK rested the Speaker's claim upon
this--that the fire originated from no negligence of the
Speaker, and from no negligence in his house, but from the
negligence of the public servants, at a distance from his re-
sidence and for whom the public were.responsible. He had
spoken to the Honourable Member for Middlesex before
introducing the question, and had asked him in what
shape it would be best to bring it before the
House. The Honourable Member for Middlesex pointed
out the difficulty that existed on this question, and sug-
gested to him the propriety of moving for the appointment
of a Committee. He should be ashamed if the Parliament
were to close without something being done, upon what
he considered to be a most just and equitable claim.
Mr. HUME said that when the Hon. Member for Hun-
tingdon applied to him on this subject, he stated the claim
could not be made without the sanction of Ministers, and
had stated the best time to bring it forward would be when
the estimates were before the House. He had also recom-
mended the Hon. Member to move that a copy of the cor-
respondence be laid before.the House ; and if that were not
sufficient, then that the Hon. and Learned Member might
move for a Committee. He (Mr. Hume) did not object to
the appointment of a Committee, but he wished the docu-
ments to be laid either before the House or before the Com-
mittee at the proper time. He begged to be understood as
not giving an opinion either for or against the claim, but as
only protesting against the Committee being appointed at.
present.
Mr. C. BARCLAY thou.,* the House would be doing
great injustice if it did not grant the Committee, and he
had no doubt the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be
able to find plenty of Members who would have time to
attend the Committee.

Mr. MORGAN JOHN O'CONNELL wished to ask
the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, if the Committee
were now appointed, and they made their report. in favour
of the claim of the S"leaker before the dissolution; it was
his intention to move a money vote for that purpose this

Session ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thouzlit
it would be impossible for the [louse to grant a vote this
Session. The Committee of Supply • had closed, and
whether the vote could be taken as one of the Sessional
votes, he must consult some higher authority.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL was glad to hear that Go-
vernment bad no intention of bringing on such a tote dur-
ing" the present Session. Then, if such was the case, where
could be the disadvantage of delaying the inquiry
.till the
next year ? At the present period it was impossible it could
receive the attention to which it was entitled. At the com-
mencement of a Session there was always an idle time,
which might well be filled up by an investigation into all the
circumstances. He was sure it would not please the coun-
try if it was taken now, and in a hurry.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, when the matter was brought
Members
on the notice of the House, there were many
1
on both sides of the House who supported the claim. i
therefore thought his Right Hon. Friend wasryj,uastsifielied in
having an inquiry into the facts of the case. e thoughtH
the present was the proper time for that Inquiry, did
not anticipate that it would take many hours. Though, at
the same time, he thought that it would not be fair to bring
forwardritohne.
Members.o lt o f compensation,
An
inquiry w
nino the
abousldeneprceoparfsoc
the question for discusiion early next Session.
Mr. AGLIONBY said that was not thg time for ex-
pressing any opinion upon the subject. He did not think

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