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cure such- informatlon, as• would enable the T-lonse
to etatnine not only the principle but the practical
operation of the Ordets of Gonad, upon which a
debate was to take plaCe.onl:nesday next., By these
Orders a new system of maritime law vas esta-
blished, which would require the assistance*, of Par-
liatnent to earte into effe6t. At was therefon,neges7,
nary that sui information as cciuTa•be afforded,
with-
out inconvenience to the public service, ihould be
laid before the House. His motion would be" for an

The MilV C.EL T.OR t#' the .EXC'HP.Q U
did not think this question flee from sorer difficulty,
Theie cases arose fiat the principle upon which
iiis Majesty was advised to aa, after he had found
it tiecestairy to declare a large proportion of the roast
of the Continent in a state of blockade: The per-
Inission_of Neutrals to proceeftto their original
,des-
tination, or to ports in a state of blockade, was an
instance of lenity not to be- found' in the practice of
that Government, whose example the Government

Account of all Neutral Vessels which have come, or
have beeObrought, into any Port or Place in Great
Britain, underlite operation of the Order of Coun-
cil. of 'the itth of Nov.- 1807, specifying the Comi-
tries to whichllheV belong, and distinguishing those
which'had'otimtnenced - their Voyages previous to the
I,ssuing'of that Order, and the dates at.'which they.
commenced their Voyages, and also those that had
been allowed to continuo their. Voyage to their
ori-
ginal destination." He wished to have those Vessels.
distinguished which had commenced their voyage in-,
. nocently before they had any notice of the Order, the
for which Bonds had been taken for the payment of
the duties which Parliament WM expe4t6d to impOse,
because he did not think that Parliament would sane-

of this Coixitry ;xis. tiaid to following. But it
was certainly rather strange to find those Gentlemen
who so loudly contended that the touching at an
English port would' not subje& American Vessels to,
confiscation in the ports ofFrance, now arguing that
their being faced into a British port would expose
them to such confiscation.
After a few words from Mr. BARING in explana-
lien, the motion was put and agreed to.
Lord HENRY PETTY proposed to make a mo-
tion, which he did no; think ,would require au"'
'nOtice, as he understood, that the Papers he was to
move for had been granted in another place ; not
thinking .any Objedion would be made, he moved
that an humble Address be presented. to his Ma-

tion thepmposition of such duties 06 itineceni nett!. ,
trots. The case of such, Vessels was differentirOin;
that of those which had volUntarilY suhniitted to
the Decree. He also wished to have those dis-
tinguished that had been suffered to procmilio their
original destination. The detention of neutrals, if
it should prevent themirem gait* to the Centintnt,
would be as injurious to this Coniitry as to rhein,
His Majesty's Ministers had ~not infermed • the
House whether they bad taken this measure to dis-•
tress the enemy or to produce revenue. But the
a& was, that these objects' militated against each
other. It had been his intention at first to have
moved for Copies of the lnstruCtions which had
been sent to Gibraltar and Malta, for carrying. these
Orders of Council into etTeci and also for Copies of
the Bonds which had been given as a security for
• payment of the projected duties. However, the ac-
count he mentioned above appeareg to him sufficient
for the present. He therefore moved, &c. •
The CHANCELLOR of tlic EXCII4QUER'
was not aware of any objection to the motion of the
Honourable Gentleman. There was one 0;61.01'4,
however, which it would he impossible to comply
c ith, Gamely, that which called for the date at
which the respeaive Vessels had commenced their
voyages, •aS the Mon. Gentleman would be sensible
of upon refieCtion, there being no means of aseen,
taining at what time Vessels, which had preceed4
tei their original destination, had commenced Oeir
voyages.
Sir ARTHUR PIGOTT had a motion to submit.'
to the House, which he trusted would not require..

jests, that he would be graciously pleased to give
'direaions that there be laid before the House Copies
or-Extracts of any Dispatches which may have
passed between his Majesty's Government and the
Government of the United States of America, rela.
tiv to, the ratiftcatinii of the Treaty with America.
the CHANCELLOR of 'ate EXCHEQUER
was not aware of the circumstance stated by the
Noble Lord, that Papers, such us he Moved for,
had been granted in another plaCe. if the Noble
Lord would stab_ that such hacVbeen the case, hi
sityuld not object to liis motion.. Unless the Noble
Lord Was positive upon-the subject, he thoug4t it
tnight.he well, as the Papexis could not be presented
before Monday, to let his motioh lie over to that
day, and W thce ,mean time he should ascertain
whether the Papers had been ,granted in another
place, or Whether they were such as could be grant.
ed .without inconvenience to the public service; and
in either case the Papers would be prepared, so alas
they mizlit be presented after the,Noble Lord's mo-
tion on Monday. •
• Lord Hussy Perry declared hiMself satisfied
with the arrangement proposed_ by the Hon. Gen-
tleman, and gave notice of his motion for Monday.
Mr: G. PUNSCNUY, who had not been in tho
House at the time of Lord Henry. Petty's motion,
came in shortly after, and desired to be informed by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, what Tapers' hd
meant to produce on Monday,, as they might be
such as Would render it necessary to put ofl? the dist.
'cession upou the Order of Council on Tuesday.
To which the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER*

any previous notice, as it, grew out of the motion
that had just been agreed to. The motion he had
to make was for "2. Lisr of such Ships as had come
in, or been brought, in, to any Port or Place in Great
Britain, under the Operation of the Orders of Coun-
cil of the 11 th of Nov. 1807, and which had since

expressing the difficulty in which the question involY-
ed bin) replied by a repetition of what be said to
'Lord'H: Petty, and added, that he could not under-
take ,to say whether the Papers, if 'produced, would
be.e,grolfid for delayiug the second reading of the
Bill fixed tbr Tuosday, But if they shouid, how-.

been sutfered to depart, upon giving,certain Bonds ever anxious he was to come to some decision upon
for the payment of Duties, and on accnune of the that question, lie • should have no difficulty in con.e•
Penalties and Conditions Conteined in such Orders." beefing to :my reasonable delay. With this Mr.
The 'demand of such Btinds,• lie observed; was eon • PONSONUT was satisfied.
.;
teary to law, and this subject was so extreordiffliey, Ordered, oh tee motion of Sir CkAARIAI2 POLE)
*het it required the' PailicUier atientien 01 Parka- thee' there be lirat bqlofe die fiouse a -List atilt
meat when the Orders of Council should come to , Ships, Vessels, or Cargoes, or part of Cargoes, that
"he discussed. It was most unprecedented that sec'ti';;'"` Itrnie heed prtrictiteri as prize, in the name of tit,
rides should be required of the Captain of a neutral ' I.Vlajesty, in his Majesty's.:Hi4h Court of Admiralty,
Vessel lacuna to an innocent destination, for .11trA rend his Vice-4dmiralty Courts' abroad, 'as returned
payment of duties to be, hereafter imposed by Par- i fromthence, from the month of January, teoe, so ,
liament.—The question was of the highest imporf;. far as the same can be made out; also a list of all
elide, and the Papers he proposed to move for would Vessels,.Cargoes; and Freights, as have been con.
be absoltuely necessary to enable the House to form detpned in his Majesty's high Court of Admiralty,
s corred judgment upon it. .4s he could not sup. or Iho."Vice-Admiralty Courts -abroad, as detained
,pose any oppositjen would helerade o hie ItOliall, previous to a:declaration of war, agreeply to the re-.
be should then confine himself to moving that tlrete turns from thence, from January, 1802, distinguish•
be laid before the House, &e. ' . .• , ip leg, in columns, the gross produce and the net
proceeds.. clechLeting the, clitlereuechatger and ex-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. .:
could have no objection to the motion of his Here, Pences , also Copies-of the Commissions. or Ware
and !Learned Friend ; and certainly nothing amid to 'hints 'pith° Captors
. Mr. HtisKtssoutroitht up the Orders of Coung
More desirable .to With, than that a proceeding,•which. .
to .bt; read it second time OD Tuesday next.
hieh was read a first tiMe, 'and ordered
his Hon. Friend considered so extraordinary, should .di Ililli
i 11se.Cotates' Suspension Repeal elill was read a
be speedily investigated. Certainly bonds haCbeen
taken in certain cases, where licences were applied !
Me• ev ft A feriae brought up
for "under competent- circuMitalees, conditioning, ietmrd.."eil,and.Pa3sede
that the parties should submit to such duties as Per- ;,the Report of the Tree-
: -stuir of-the Nati), lit.gulation.Bill, which was Jr eed
liatnent might think proper to impose. Brit hid:lute
and-teamed Friend was as certainly mi,inforima, if i.' to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time on
heaupposed that Ships which had been brought into I
~..
British ports had not been permitted to depart for - lonc
On :the House proceeding to
.the Order of the Day
for resuming the adjourned proceedings upon tho
,4 lax,
their original destination without giving such bonds;
for the clearance out of a British port would be stair- third reading of the Eeehequer Billy Issue and Par
went Regulation Bill, a shoe. discussion took place
cient protettion for them he proceeding upon their '
voyage; yet licences were granted to such vessels, betweetr the Soeiceroe Getsertee, Mr. smeese
THOIINTON, Mr. Husetssue, Sii Anenve PIGOTT,
jn oder to secure them from any possible further
deteneion in consequence of any Misapprehengion on Mr. SHERIDAN, and Mr. HORNER, which terminat-
- cd in the erasure of the deur, ehjetted to, end the
the part of the Commanders of British Cruizers.,
Whew Vessels which had been brought in altered' adoption of an amendment tnovect by Ntr. lioarlEtt,
to France, cleared out fur Holland,ie final destination ; fur instance, when o
their o fur confining the .protection from the disabilities im-
nally bouti rigrig
that . posed by the eed of the king, so far as the contrataa
under tins Bill might subject thereto' the Governori
was'considered -as amounting to a new voyage, and
bonds were taken in such canes. . efe„,,,6 lioi.,„„,eice Deputy Governor, and Direrreore of the hank of gpg.
had
,commeneed their voyages befbre the date 01 the 'land: The Bill was thi.n passed arid ordered to, fig)
Orders, freiehted with 110011 Which might have been LOrdi.
before imported, had beeA required tol;ive bonds, as . A Person from the Exchequer, presented an Ae.
a security for the duties. He-had no doubt flint his .count of the. Interest 'mid upon Exchequer Bills,
for three years, ending the sth of January. 1808,
Learned Friend would see the matter in a different
light from that in which he then viewed a, when tlistinguiahing each year with au averaee thereof.--e
the 'subject 'should -he brought Sully intecensidera- Ordered to. he on the table, and to be printed.
Lion ; and in this. view he had no objection to grant Mr. Wueneue brought up she Report; of the
m:1
e, .
every inforoOn.
'Malt euel Pension Duty Bill. On the, titie"
st''
Mr; ALEXANDER BARING bons tiered the
that the Amendments be agreed iceelvir. Horner oh*
demand of bonds; its ethe case of Neutrals altering jetted to one of the Clauses of the Bill, which cott-
ers of the ..I'l•o4Stlry Illill.ii_Oli.•
their original destination from France tr, Holland, asi' . "lined a at.''c;nialiell for autle:rising the Go i i
anticipation of the operation of the Orders
an anfair to grain eeeeeptions from the
of Councik. -It.stich Vessels, pa beieg, brought intp i , Duty in certain cases. -A short conversation took
a British port, were consequently prevented frogs Place Llpon the suojeiiti, alter wnice the Report was
proceeding to their original destination, this was a I agreed La, and' the Bill Ordered to be read a third
consequence of the Orders in council, which „:ausec 1 - on 111Onday, Mr. finsKissuN having previO(islY
, time
them to be. detained. . The OrOcts lillo,:ved some , siged hii willingnes.4 tn ticcede to any
their
time for Neutrals to have tootit;e a them, , meta :ha might appear to be neeessary in the third
but .these proceeding.. anticipated their tperetion; by reading. •. • .
subjeCtiug Neutrals that lied copen3enced their' vidy,.. Ordered,' on the meeien of Mr. Homo, that
. age beibre the dare' of the Orders to the conditio'm .
~, there be laid befine the House a Copy of the Report
of such hands. , . the Auditors ot the Exchequer to the Commis-,
41
Mr. 11-. SMITH desired to koow if esti Amen- soners of the Tie,,l-, .. el. r the Sixpenny and
, Bury, eseee ine
also
'can Ctiptein, whose owners. bed no correspondeate ,i:,Sette Shillirig Duty on Salaries, Pensions, &c. ; a
in London, should have c.).lnOi'eueed his 1 . an Accountofthe quantity of R imported in the
,t, ; ,e,
d
, destined fur a port of. France, and afterward's s''-i-)so'ausiCel- '. years 1801' -`) • .1 I 'thef'e'ar: 1805 ti an
, , and 3,11 :10 10
on 'being detained, alter his destination, what was .:.7, (iis'in"ithing each year, and the amount of horn
to he Ins situation as to bondpv; his owners not hay- i 'CullstimPti"'
1 ;Mg any correspondents in this country to be Lis se-
i cur.tics,

EXCHELJER
lIVSICV.iSON gave notice, that he shoull