The Sun.
London, England, 1839-05-09 00:00:00

against the thousands, therefore will the battle be to the
strong and the race to the swift.—(Ch:ers.) These
were the times for every man who values his life, his t
liberty or his country, to rally round the flag of liberty.
These were the times for them to speak out, or their
voices would be lulled in such a manner that they
would never be heard again.—(Cheers.) He hail great
pleasure in seconding this address, it was drawn up in
such a manly, firm, temperate, and independent manner,
as to be satisfactory to the country, and solacing to the

people.—(Hear and cheers.)
Dr. TAYLOR was strongly in favour of the Address,
for the time had certainly come when the Convention
ought to tell the people to arm, whether it was legal or
not. He begged to ask Mr. O'Brien, as there was
some obscurity in the Address, whether it was his inten-

tion to do so Or not ?
Mr. O'BRIEN said his intention in drawing up the
Address was to recommend the people to arm, without

saying so in as many words.
Mr. HALLEY said he would oppose the address ; it
went very plainly to recommend the people to arm.
This had hitherto been the great obstacle to our pro-

gress, and the object of it plainly was to incite to acts of
violence, and this would compel every one to oppose us
for their own defence. Mr. O'Connor said it " would
be a war between property and poverty." Now he
thought there were two parties at the opposite ex-
tremes—the one wishing to arm to keep down the
poor, the other wishing to arm the poor against pro-
perty he was opposed to both, because he felt both
were enemies to the good of the people. Every honest
Reformer who sought to promote the well being of his
country would endeavour to unite all classes, and not to
place them in hostile array against each other. As a
working man he did not come here as a class Re-
former, seeking the benefit of one class at the expense
of another, or wishing to raise one by depressing
another. His object, and the object of those who sent
him, were, to obtain their just and equal rights, to se-
cure good Government that will promote the true in-
terests of all classes. His instructions were, and he
would religiously abide by them, to adopt none but legal
and Constitutional means, and by peaceful agitation en-
deavour to unite the majority of the people to join with
them in their claim. _

Mr. LOVETT had always been in favour of peaceful
means, and he had incurred odium for so favouring
them ; but now that the Government and the middle
classes were determined to put down their peaceful
agitation—as their meetings were to be put down at the
will of a Magistrate, or even by a proclamation, which
was not law—if their members were to be imprisoned
on the information of a policeman, then liberty was to
be put back in place of going forward.—(Cheers )
They must then manifest their firm determination to
oppose tyranny in the breach—(Cheers)—otherwise
they would be put down. They had yet some mea-
sures in store much more effective than arms. The
middle classes put their faith in the standing army and
the police, and other means of oppressing the people ;
but, and he spoke his own feelings, he would rather,
than be reduced to the condition of the people of France,
that they shrltld not meet more than three or four to-
gether—the Press plugged up—rather than all that, he
said, let England be a desart.—(Cheers.)
Mr. BURNS said they had wasted much time that
morning, for unless the great majority of the people were
with them, they could do no good by telling the people
to arm. Instead of being in a majority he was con-
vinced they were in a minority.—(Cries of " No, no,
we are 10 to I.") He was very glad to hear it, but if
that could be proved there would be no occasion to arm,
for then their demands must be complied with. If they
pursued such a violent course they would lose the sup-
port of his constituents and of three-fourths of the people
of Scotland.

Mr. POWELL said the only way to get the majo-
rity was for the Convention to show a determined
front. The middle classes were arming at the expense
of the people—why should not the people then arm to
maintain their privileges and rights ? If it was constitu-
tional for one party to arm, surely it was as much so
for the other. The Convention would be retrogading
if they did not tell the people that they should arm to
assert their rights.
Dr. FLETCHER supported .the address.
Mr. LowaEv,contended that they had a large ma-
jority of the people upon their side. They had a mil-
lion and a quarter of signatures to the Petition, and
more than two-thirds of the people were apathetic, but
they would join the people if they had occasion to assert
their liberties.