The Sun.
London, England, 1839-03-23 00:00:00

Right flonourable Gentleman opposite seemed to think
that there was hardly a possession they had abroad
in which their naval or military force ought not to be
increased. The Right Hon. Gentleman had instanced
Bermuda as a place which required additional protection,
as being, one of the points most likely to he taken pos-
session of by the United StateS. Ho ( Lord P.) wasready
to admit that in the event of a war With America, that
would be one of their vulnerable points, but it appeered to
him that there v:,:te no the slightest apprehension of such
an event, and that her Majesty! Government had exer-
cised a sound discretion in not further increasing the army
estimates for the present year.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord ARTHUR LENNOX hoped some improvement
would be made in the present system of ball practice in the
army. A large quantity of ammunition was purchased for
the recruit when he entered the service, and he was obliged
to repay the sum expended for that purpose, and to that
system might be attributed the many desertions that took
place.
After a few words from Mr. C. BULLER in explanation,
Siir J. HOBHOUSE felt it necessary to offer a few
remarks in reply to the statement of the Right lion.
Baronet opposite. He ( Sir J. Hobhouse) had never
stated that the Indian army was in the same state as at the
close of the Burmese war, He had no hesitation in ad-
mitting that a large augmentation had taken place both in
the Indian army and the Queen's forces. Ho agreed with
the Right Hon. Gentleman that if they were tO carry on
these great operations in India, they should have a still
further addition to the existing force. He had felt him-
self justified in directing an additional increase, without
waiting for further despatches from Lord Auckland.—
( Hear, hear.) He bad applied to the East India Com-
pany on the subject, and they had at once agreed with him
as to the necessity of a further increase. He wished it
were possible to send complete and ready regiments out to
India, but that was impossible, and he would at once
admit it ; but they would take the next best step, and that
was to recruit as rapidly as possible, and send them out.
He hoped lie would be excused from entering at present into
any s.taternent relative to the policy:of Lord Auckland, but
he had no hesitation in stating that the Government was
convinced of the necessity of increasing their present mili-
tary force iii that country. They had felt it necessary to
draw a military line along the frontier of Nepaul, and
that could not be done without additional troops; and he
would add that the Indian Government was fully alive to
what was passing in the Burmese Empire. The Governor
of India had a force, certainly not a large one, at his dis-
posal, but it could be made to co-operate with the naval
force on the coast, and thus increase its power and effi-
ciency.—( Hear, hear.) lie believed, therefore, that there
was not that ground for apprehension which the Right Hon.
Gentleman seemed to entertain, and which was called
into existence merely on the faith of newspaper statements.
He would not trouble the House further; but when they
came to the discussion of that important question, which he
hoped would be discussed with the spirit manifested this
evening, for he agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet the
Member for Tarnworth, who, at the opening of the Session,
had enforced the necessity of sinking all party disputes
on this discussion; he (Sir John Hobhouse) should give
his opinion on this subject, and he trusted the House would
give it a fair and impartial consideration.
Mr. HUME said that he wished the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had not alluded to the free Press in India, hut had
made the same allowance for the Press of India as he
would have done for the press of England. The free
Press had been of advantage to India. With that excep-
tion, he agreed with the Right Hen. Gentleman. He wished
that the Gallant Officer opposite, instead of stating the
amount of the Army in 1835 and 1836, had moved for
returns showing the amount of the army for some years
previously, as it was only upon these returns that the House
could carne to a just conclusion. Ile believed the
Indian Army was now in good condition, and could be
doubled in a month if requisite, and what was more
he believed the Government had the means of paying them.
He hoped the affair of India would take the turn as had
been anticipated, but he quite agreed with the necessity
for carrying on war there with vigour, and gave great cre-
dit to Lord Auckland, for backing up his diplomatic ar
rangesnents by the assembling of an overwhelming force.
With regard to Canada, he did not believe that the addi-
tion of 1,000 men would be necessary, if justice had
been done to that colony. Having determined two
years ago to deprive them of their constitution,
the Government should have been prepared to
crush thew at once ; but the Government alone were not
to blame, as a great majority of that House had supported
them. The Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tam-
worth, had said last night that any man might have fore-
seen what had occurred. If so, why did he by his vote
encourage this injustice ? The Colonies had been treated
in the most cruel manner by the country which ought to
protect them. He was glad to see that this Government
did not intend to increase the force in Canada, because
they trusted in :the anxiety manifested by the
Government of Washington equally with themselves—
to preserve peace. War would he equally destructive to
the best interests of both countries; and, therefore, they
had acted wisely in showing no jealousy of the Govern-
ment of America. If the Americans were determined to
take Canada, this country could not prevent them. —(Cries
of " No," from the Opposition.) The attempt to protect
it would cost 100,000,000/. of money, and therefore it was
a wise policy not to raise the jealousy of the American Go-
vernment, but to do their best to attach the Colonies to the
country. The Right Hon. Gentleman made out no case
for the increase of the Army, and he thought the Govern-
ment had done all that could be required of them.
He held the measure with respect to rewards for good
conduct a wise and economical one, and would not object
to any expense which would do away with the odious, tor-
turing punishment of flogging. He also approved of the
establishment of libraries. He considered the proportion
of officers to men in the British Army far too great, and
thought that some reduction might be made in that re-
spect. He objected to a large standing army, because
it induced Governments to bully their neighbours, instead
of attending to their own concerns. He wished to ask
the Noble Lord to what extent promotion from the ranks
had taken place within the last year?
Lord 1-10 WICK could not state the exact number,
but all vacant quarter-master ships had beets invariably
given to non-commissioned officers and engineers where
possible. With regard to the proportion of officers to
men, he found: that the French Army, amounting to
238,532 men, had 10,979 officers; and the English Army
consisting of 84,831 men, had 4.520 officers ; being one
officer to 211- men in the French as my, and one officer
to 181 men in the English Army. But the duties of the
staff in the French Army were performed by the Etat-
Major, and the duties of recruiting were unnecessary,
in consequence of conscription, so that the proportion of
officers was really rather less than the English Army.
Captain BOLDER() could not agree with the Hon.
Member for Kilkenny, that the army of the country ought
to be reduced 20,000 men, for in his opinion, looking at
the state of the affairs of this country or India, the Army
was not sufficient at the present moment. He felt bound
to deprecate the statements of the Hon. Member for Lis-
keard, as he believed they were only made for the purpose
of embarassing the Boundary question. He was surprised
at the observations that had been made, that this country

had no less than 38,000 volunteers and militia in Canada
receiving one-third more pay than the British men.
He thought this was unjust towards the soldiers of
this country, and was incurring an expense that was not
at all necessary. He thought the Noble Lord was not
entitled to all the praise of establishing libraries in all the
different barracks, because if be went to Woolwich and
many other places, he would find that libraries were esta-
blished there long before they were thought of
by the Noble Lord. When it was said the
Army was too large, he considered it too small ; and as
to corporeal punishment, he thought it ought to be abo-
..

lished.—( Hear.)
Sir DE LACY EVANS thought the Right Hon.
Gentleman's statements as to the deficient state of the
army of the country was greatly exaggerated. With re-
gard to Canada, he believed that the American frontier,
so far from being in a defenceless state, was most effec-
tive, added to which, instead of there being any apprehen-
sion from the americans, there was the greatest possible
disposition on their part to continue on friendly terms with
this country. In Canada there had undoubtedly been in-
surrection, but there was not now civil war. Then it was
thought additional troops were required in Jamaica.
Differences had taken place, it was true, in that colony,
between the Legislature in that colony and the inhabitants,
but he did not think it was of that character that required
additional troops. Then it was said this country was likely
to go to war with the Burmese. A rebellion had broken
out in that country, between the Sovereign and his people,
but he frosted it would soon be put an end to.

It was said that the interior of India was in
a state of discontent ; that was a circumstance to be re-
gretted, if it was the fact ; but he must confess that
he had seen nothing that would induce him to think the
inhabitants of that country were likely to rise against
England. He was sorry to hear the observations of the
Hon. Member for Liskeard on the subject of the Boundary,
because he was sure they would have no good effect.
Sir H. HARDING E said he considered it a proof of
neglect on the part of the Government, that, at the time
Sir J. Harvey wrote his answer to the Governor of Maine
there were but two battalions in New Brunswick, instead
of four, which was the lowest peace establishment of that
colony. As to India, the Right Hon. the President of
the Board of Controul had, in one of the most statesmanlike
speeches ever delivered, admitted substantially all that he
( Sir Henry Hardinge) had stated. With regard to
Canada, he considered that if Sir John Colborne was
properly supplied with troops, that colony might without
difficulty be defended against any attacks.
Sir DE LACY EVANS said that at the commence-
ment of the last war with America there was a smaller
force in the Canadas than at present; yet they were suc-
cessfully and triumphantly defended.—( Hear, hear.)
The vote was then agreed to, as were the following:—

155,359/.for the staff-officers ; 58.708/.for the public depart-
meets of the Army ; and 17,4813/. for the Royal Military
Asylum.
On the vote of 79,1371. for Volunteer Corps,
Mr. HUME said he considered this body not only use-
less, but mischievous, as it kept up party spirit in the coun-
try, which he should like to see removed. He hoped the
present Government, if they continued in their situations—
( A laugh)—would look to this as one' of the means of
effecting a saving.
Lord HO WICK said that last year a partial reduction
had been made, and he did not think the manner in which
it had been agreed to was calculated to induce the Govern-
ment to go further. He did not think the Volunteer force
had had the effect of alienating one class from another.
The vote was agreed to.
16,0421. was then voted to the officers of certain gar-
risons.
Lord IIO\VICK then moved that a sum of 102,0001.
be granted for defraying the pay of General officers.
Mr. HUME said this was one of the items which
pressed so heavily upon the country, and had been reported
against by a Committee in 1822. They recommended that
the dead weight, which was then five millions, should be
placed on such a footing that its gradual extinction should
be ensured; in place of that it was now nearly as great as
it was then. object,..d to th” system of the pr:lmcoio,l

of nnattactied oificrs as one of the greatest abo:•c:i t
Army. It was a great evil, and.the Noble Lord ought to
take some steps for putting an end to the system.

Lord HO WICK did not feel himself at liberty to defereri
the Committee of 1822. The Hon. Gentleman had k 1
alluded to the dead weight, but he did not separate the
military from the civil and the naval dead weight. It wag
necessary to have General officers for the Colonies, and it
was also necessary as a reward for their services; but the
number was very much reduced, even to the number of
50; so, also, had the number of half-pay. officers been re-
duced one-half.
Sir HENRY HARDINGE begged to state, in reply
to the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, that since the Peace the
number of officers on half and full pay reduced had
been 7,165, and the saving to the country amounted
to 1,300,000/.
Mr. HUME denied that there could be any reduction
in the half-pay, when a sum of 5,000,0001. was asked
for deadweight ; and the sum had been the same since
1822, with a very trifling reduction. The difference be-
tween the effective and non-effective portion of the Army
was only 1,106,000/., which would at once show the im-
policy and extravagance of the present system.
A short conversation took place as to the conditions
upon which naval and military officers could receive pen-
sions for services, and whether officers on full pay were
enabled to receive them, in which Mr. C. Wood, Sir
James Graham, Sir Henry Hardinge, and Sir George Clerk
took part.
The vote was then agreed to.
57,0001, was granted to defray the charge of full pal
for reduced and retired officers.
517.0001. was granted to defray the charge of half-prY
retired officers.
67,20.11. was granted to defray the charge of half-pay '
reduced allowance of officers on foreign service.
143,942/. was granted for pensions to widows of officers.
131,8001. was gr.:Wed to defray the charges of the
Compassionate List.
The vote for the Chelsea Pensioners was postponed, at
the request of Sir H. Hardinge.
44,0001. was granted to defray the charges for super-
annuations.
The House then resumed ; the Chancellor reported pro-
gress, and asked leave to sit Again.
The Copyhold Enfranchisslment Bill went through
Committee, and was ordered to be reported on Monday.
Lord HO WIC K brought in the Mutiny Bill, which
was read a first and ordered to he read a second time on
Monday.
Mr. C. WOOD brought in the Marine Mutiny Bill,
which was read a first and ordered to be read a seconl time
on Monday.
On the motion of Mr. GILLON, a return of the
amount of Post-horse Duty paid in each of the three
months respectively ended the sth day of Januar,T, 1838,
and the sth day of *January, 1839, was agreed to.
On the motion of General SHARPE, a return of 101
Officers of Cavalry who have been appointed Colonels of
regiments subsequent to the Ist day of January, 1828,
with statement of the length and nature of the services of
each, in the form and terms established at the Horse
Guards for Regimental Returns of Service, was agreed to.
On the motion of Mr. HU ME, a return was ordered of the
number of visitors admitted to the Armoury in the Tower,
from the Ist day of May, 1837, to the Ist day of March.
1838, and from the Ist day of May, 1838, to the Ist day of
March, 1839, stating the number of free admissions, and
the number of those persons who paid for admis-
sion in each of those months ; the rate of
fees paid by each, and aggregate amount received in
the same time ; stating also in what manner the money re-
ceived has been appropriated, and to whom paid. Also
of the number of visitors admitted to the Jewel-office in
the Tower, in each of the last four years, stating the
number in each month admitted free, and the number who
have paid for admittance, the rate of fees paid for each
person in that period, and the aggregate amount received
in each year from such fees; also, an account of the man-
ner in which the money received has been appropriated,
and to whom paid.
On the motion of Mr. BARING, it was ordered that the
House at its rising should adjourn to Monday.
A petition was presented from the Electors of Carlow,
praying to be heard at the bar in support of the return of
Colonel Bruen for that county. _ a

The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Twenty Minutes past Eleven
o'clock to Monday.

INSOLVENT GOVERNMENT CLERKS.---It
was stated in the Insolvent Court yesterday that Sir Re-
bert Peel, while in office, had ordered every Government
clerk who took the benefit of the Act to be discharge
from his situation forthwith. This determination had, it
is said, been productive of much benefit.
DANCING MAD.—The English have become
as fond of quadrilles and waltzes, as the French. We have
had four large bands fiddling away, namely, the one at the
English Opera House (which has been very successful);
another on Wednesdays and Fridays, at the Crown Ind
Anchor ; Schallein (a la Strauss) at Willis's Rooms;
and the Quadrille Institute at the Hanover-square Rooms;
amounting altogether to two hundred and thirty performers •
—Musical World.

THE FIRE AT WARTIELD VICARAGE.--; 1
The recent melancholy fire at Warfield, has excite('
among all classes in that neighbourhood, from the exete-
plary character borne by the Rev. Mr. Furlong, and the
high esteem which is universally entertained towards hire'
feelings of the most profound regret. The Rev. Gentle-f
man himself, labours at this moment under feelings hoe
the deepest sorrow, not so much on account Of t
ultimate pecuniary loss which he may sustain, (for the
surance will by no means cover the actual loss), as from the,
circumstance of the premature dreadful death of one et
the pupils entrusted to his care. An inquest has bee.n
held upon the body of that unfortunate youth, who 19,
the son of the Rev. Temple Freere, a Prebendary
Westminster, and only between ten and eleven years
of age, before James May, Esq., Coroner for the count!
of Berks, when a full inquiry took place into the circus'
stances attending the death of the unfortunate young gen-
tleman. The body, or rather the remains, which bad been
placed in a coffin in the school-room, presented a shocking
appearance, scarcely a part of it having escaped severe
burning. The ur after a lengthened inquiry returned a
verdict that "the deceased was accidentally
burnt to
death."
DUTCHSAM AGAIN IN TROUBLE.—DutCh
Sam who was indicted at the Hertford assizes, for the weir
slaughter of Phelps, alias " Brighton Bill," in a pugilistic
encounter, but acquitted, has ever since been in Hertford
gaol, on detainers for loot., the amount of his recognizance
which he forfeited, and a warrant for an assault upon Mac
kenzie, the messenger at Hatton. ssarden Police-office, w"°
was formerly connected with the A division of pollee'
The assault, it will be recollected, was committed 11
Dutch Sam at a public house in Piccadilly, whilst wit'
Lord Waldegrave. Yesterday, Pinder, an officer con-
nected with the High Bailiff of Westminster, proceeded to
Hertfold, and took the prisoner into custody, when hie
brought him to London, and lodged him in Tothill-fields
prison, preparatory to undergoing his trial at the ensuiagf
Westminster Sessions, which commence on the 6th
April next, for the assault upon Mackenzie.
SHOTS FIRED AT THE DUBLIN AND L 1145;
RICK Mate. co/wit.— As the Dublin and Limerick Wei::
coach was passing through the " Murderer's Hollows;
near the Curragh of Kildare, on last Monday nights if
came nearly in contact with a common car, full c'
armed men. After passing about one perch, five shots were
,
discharged at the guard in rapid succession, but fortunately
without effect. We do not suppose that this was a pre;
concerted attack on the coach, but we are of opiel°,
that some of the midnight militia of Ireland were on the!:
way to the adjoining review ground. It is to be remarked
that they were all on the car, and did not even get off of
after firing the shots.
MADRID, MARCH B.—The dinner given by
s
General Seoane to Lord Clarendon on Tuesday viels
brilliant and well-managed affair. The Eco of this
gives at last a detailed description of it, though the
ductors of that journal, as well as several of the most tils;
tinguished Liberals and old friends of the General, such°
Lopez, Caballero, and others, were not of the Pell;
which was taken as an indication of a schism among,
them; 36 political notabilities sat down to the elegant bast
quct, Lord Clarendon being seated between Geaerit
Seoane and the Duke of Saragossa. Gentlemen of
ere
political colours were partaking of it. The Liberals w
represented by Messrs. Arguelles, Calatrava, Los flernj
Olozaga, Infante, Ferrer, Mendizabal, Gonzales, &c.f.; „Ass,
the Moderados by the Duke de Gor, M. Martinez de la "„iw
Isturitz, Landero, Baron Carondelet. The Corps DiPl°;,;,s,
tique furnished its contingent in the persons of M. de 1-,ILI‘
the Portuguese Minister ; the son of Count Metaxas, the G.'s°
Ambassador himself being indisposed ; M. DalWatj:
Danish Charge d'Affaires; and the ex-Diplomat
Messrs. Onis, Campuzano, Aguilar, Carnerero. Gelg re.
Quiroga, Ferras, Count Castijon, the Marquis Valle Pegs,
broso, Count Espeleta, and Campo Alavye ; and Meg
re'
Southern and Otway, the Charge d'Affaires and e`"the
tary of the British Embassy were also present; butold
absence of every individual of the French Embassy
not pass unnoticed—yet in all the speeches nothierpse,
the least reflecting on the French Government coo. ell
recorded, as on a former occasion of a Parliamentary
at the Sordos v Mudos, which the French journale.4oo
dwelt on in so inviduous a manner. Lord Clarendon, teyoel,
the end of the dinner, proposed the health of QueeP t'ser of
in a neat speech, terminating with an energetic pratcens
" may Heaven confound her enemies." The first toss toe
Seoane gave was " The Queen of England may Pecos.
grant her a long and happy reign and numerous
sion ;" and afterwards, " Lord Clarendon, his safe, arl
The
his own country, and speedy return amongst O. osted,
British nation, navy, and liberal diplomacy wera t inaef
and her noble representative gratefully alluded to ce on of
topics. The King of Denmark for having been °roll'
the first to recognise Queen Isabel, and finally an elnrote
matical allusion was made by General Infante to a pop'
himself. M. Mendizabal gave Lord Palmerston and
tugal, an ally that has shed her blood for S
which it was observed M. de Lima did not acknqmsde
otherwise than by signs. But Lord Palmerston he toff
Wel A
his acknowledamet t s per anticipation, terming his .0.
Spanish "ode
in 1826 the firm and prudent government of Sl)B,!ng be;
set of serenaders, with torches, paraded that coil-tura!'
fore the embassy, when Lord Clarendon, on his r:teuttsl
ten, showed himself and bowed to them most eon'
from the balcony.
f the
GLORIOUS NEWS.—In consequence hat fines
cision of the Judges in the case of Schofield', t, this
ordered to be given to the poor cannot be lev'euare pro-
colony, as there are no legal poor, the Magistrateispiersol
vented from fining drunkards, and consequentlY srinsteaA
for the last 3 or 4 days, apprehended for drunkenned:sn' barge"
of being fined or sent to the stocks have been nouss.tle.
without any punishment. According to their I.l°,.ting
llea
cision, every Magistrate in the colony has been a`nnsider.e:
gayly for the last twenty years, and it has beee,ennneil,
necessary to lay a Bill before the Legislative
.I,otising the
payment of the fines to the Benevolent AgYlnto operi:o
demnifying the Magistrates. The Bill for atittn_in
read a second time to morrow, but cannot coternnicard?
lion for a fortt:itt, during which time all the ften as 0:4
the eolon :!r: at f,,11 liberty to get druil
eyes.— .s.#*ay Herald.
please, hoot the fear of the stoactks°before th