The Sun.
London, England, 1863-06-30 00:00:00

TEPERIAL P.

ROUSE OF LORDS. —Last Evening.
Their lordships assembled at four o'clock.

ROYAL ASSENT.
The House of Commons were summoned to hear the royal
assent given by commission to the following bills :—lnland
Revenue, Militia Bill, London, &c., Diocese, Offences
"South Africa, African Slave Trade Treaty, Bleaching and
Dyeing Works Act Amendment, Local Government Sup-
plemental, Coventry Market House, Norwich Poor,
Skipton Gas, Stourbrldge Railway, Oswestry and
Welchpool Railway, Ashbourne, Sudbury, and Yoxall
Bridge, and Uttoxeter and Collingwood-road ; Cork
and Youghal Railway, St. Luke's (Middlesex) Work.
house and Vestry Hall, Itchon-bridge, Llanelly Railway
and Dock, Bann Navigation Improvement, Buckley Rail-
way, Launceston and South Devon R"...ilway, Birkenhead
Improvement, Bristol and Portsho;ctd Pier and Railway,
Carhermouth, Keswick, and I'-enrith Railway; London
and South Western, and tindover and Redbridge Rail-
ways; Newport Pagnell, Railway; Transmere Docks and
Yarmouth Gas.
The Lords Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the
Earl St. Gmnana, and Visc.auat Sydney.
Their lordships then adjourned during pleasure.
The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack at five
o'clock,

SUITORS' RECONCILIATION BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM rose to ask leave to withdraw this
bill and introduce another under the same title and with a
similar object. In drawing up this new bill, his lordship
said that he had been aided by the valuable assistance of
Mr. Kerr, of the Sheriffs' Court. The noble lord commented
on the great need there was for such a measure, and stated
that his object in bringing it before their lordships was to
give peace to mankind and discourage discord. Long as
his life had been, he should feel that his life would not have
been in vain if he succeeded in carrying this bill.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Scottish Central Railway and the Newcastle and
Carlisle Road Bills were read a seconc time,
The Mid-Kent Railway (Amendments) and the Leomin-
ster and Kington Railway (Amendments) Bills were read a
third time and passed.

NEW ZEALAND.
Lord LYTTELTON, in presenting a petition from the
inhabitans of Taranaki on the subject of the distress brought
on them by the native war, called the attention of the
house to the subject, and also to the military defence of
the colonies. He contended that the first, the second, and
the third lesson which should be taught to all colonists was
that the primary duty of internal self-defence should be un-
dertaken by the colonists themselves. A few years ago the
colonists of Taranaki petitioned the Home Legislature for
protection against the natives,alleging that they themselves
knew nothing about war, and were unable to protect them-
selves. He was very much ashamed of the expressions in
that petition. The colonists had since learned better things,
and now he was glad to find that nearly every adult male
was enrolled in the colonial militia. The noble duke (New-
castle) had said that the colonists of New Zealand ought to
be treated with generosity and consideration under their
peculiar circumstances. He (Lord Lyttelton) admitted
that some help should be given to them until the wretched
native kings were broughb into proper order. But what he ,
wished was that some period should be named at which the
military internal protection of New Zealand should cease as
regarded the Imperial Government, and the colonists should
be left to take care of themselves. The condition of
Taranaki was most pitiable. Not a single rural settlement
was left undestroyed by the natives. The British military
authorities had actually prevented the settlers from defend-
ing themselves. The military interference had been most
disastrous to the colonists. A sum of money had been voted
by the Colonial Legislature for the relief of the sufferers.
He hoped the Home Legislature would facilitate the pay-
ment of that grant. The noble lord concluded by laying
the petition on the table.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE wished that if any noble
lords on the other side of the house intended to attack
the policy of the Government with regard to the colonies,
or with regard to the New Zealand colonists, they would
follow the noble lord who had just spoken.—[A short pause
having ensued, and no movement having taken place, the
noble duke proceeded.]—His noble friend had really left
him nothing to reply to, further than to repeat once more
his belief in the wisdom of the policy laid down by the
Government. He would use no expression save of deep com-
miseration for the unfortunate settlers of Taranaki. But he
should repeat what he had said before, namely, that the war
had been got up with the natives solely and entirely through
the action and for the benefit of the settlers, and their bene-
fit alone. The Queen's supremacy was only disputed by the
natives because the land was wanted by the settlers. He did
not mean to go into the question whether the war were
right or wrong, justifiable or unjustifiable, but it was un-
questionably not got up for Imperial interests, but solely and
entirely by and for the colonists. The sum of money voted
for the sufferers of Taranaki by the New Zealand Legisla-
lature was £200,000, of which about £25,000 had been paid.
An agent was at present in England trying to raise a loan
of from £500,000 to £600,000 to pay off the balance of the
£200,000, and to defray other expenses of the colony of New
Zealand. The affairs of the colony had greatly improved
even during the war. The revenue had doubled in three
years. It had risen from £230,000 to £460,000, and the im-
ports and exports had more than doubled within the year
1861-62. He hoped the house and the Legislature would
support the humane, resolute, and determined action of the
governor, Sir G. Grey. People were not wanting who were
ready to translate into Maori all speeches and expressions
used in the British Parliament which tended to stimulate
the natives to maintain their violent proceedings and to re-
new their acts of violence. The governor, Sir G. Grey, had
taken possession of, and erected redoubts upon, two blocks of
ground which the natives had stated their intention of dis-
puting. By these means he had anticipated and prevented
violence, and matters now looked most promising. He
hoped the next mail would confirm the good news which
was foreshadowed by the last mail. The governor was ably
supported by Gen. Cameron ; and the illustrious Duke
the Commander-in-Chief had requested Gen. Cameron
to continue his services in New Zealand, although his
period of service had expired. He hoped that nothing
would be done to weaken the hands of the governor, or to
compel him to alter the plans which he was carrying out so
successfully.
Earl GREY dissented from much that had fallen from
both his noble friends. The noble earl went minutely
through the history of the war, and contended that New
Zealand would be a slumbering volcano, threatening danger
to all the neighbouring colonies, as well as to itself, unless
proper measures of impartial justice to the natives were in-
troduced, together with arrangements for throwing upon
the colonists themselves only a lair share of the defence and
management of the colony. The result of leaving the colo
nista tothemselves would be merely to raise up a war of ex-
termination; and that was a state of things which the house
would not be justified in bringing about. He contended that
the Imperial Government ought not to abandon its power
over any, even the most advanced, of our colonies. He
thought that without a great dereliction of its duties, the
Government could not abandon the power which it ex3rcised
in the defence and the proper control of the colonies. Whilst
he did not venture to question the right of the noble duke
to exercise his discretion in presenting papers, he should ask
how it happened that a despatch, dated last February, wes
only ordered to be presented to this house on the 10th inst.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE explained that the despatch
had been presented to the House of Commons within a
week after it had been received. It was a mere accidental
oversight that it was not presented to the House of Lords.
A noble friend of his at the other side of the house having
seen the despatch published, drew his attention to the fact
that it had not been presented to their lordships. It was
then at once laid upon the table.
Earl GREY said that such an oversight ought not to

have taken place. (A laugh.)
Lord LYV EDEN said that such a course as that recom-
mended by his noble friend (Earl Grey), namely, to retrace
their steps by destroying responsible government in the co-
lony, would, he hoped, never be entertained. He differed
totally from the opinions of his noble friend.

POLAND.
Ott RUSSELL—Before the order of the day is pro

seeded with,—""
wish to make an appeal to my noble friend
(the litaum, of Clanricarde) with regard to the papers he

proposes to move for, The two first, viz., the circular note

of Lord Castlereagh •
dated 12th
January,
plenipotentiaries of the congress
of Vienna,
note of Prince Metternic ahnuary, 1815, and the reply to that
and Baron Wessenberg, of the
21st Januarh 1-tl5, ar, both
contained in the papers which
were laid on the table of
day, The third paper, viz.?theour lordships' house the other
Poland,
of Prince Talleyrand to
Prince Metternich upon
1814, was, I believe, printed in th'e :led 19th December,
included in the papers I have preaewte papers, and is not
1, and it then
chooses to move for it he can de so if he say Poble friend
will become a regular document before the
heard this morning- that it is the intention of house. But I
friend to raise a debate on this question. NovithiT noble
my noble friend not to bring on such a discussion, feeling
ask
on, feeling
convinced, as I do, that it will be very injurious to the
public interest, and that it would seriously aggravate the
responsibility of those who have charge of the management
of public affairs. The position of affairs is this. There have
been notes presented at St. Petersburg by
the amb
resassandoed
rs
of France and Austria. Those notes were
only pet
believe
to Prince Gortschakoff on Friday or Saturday—l
the
on Saturday last. Prince Gortechakoff merely said
rd at
he would take the orders of the Emperor with regato
them, but no opinion whatsoever has been given upon the
contents of those papers. I cannot but think that under
these cirsumstances a discussion would seriously prejudice
the propositions of the three Governments . and I therefore
hope that my noble friend will wait at least until we hear
further. (Hear, hear.) Meanwhile there can be no action
on.thepart of her Majesty's Goveenment (if the noble mar-
. . quaa wishes to prevent it) that is likely to be taken until
some reply come. Therefore my noble friend runs no danger
of her Majesty's Government taking any steps until an
misty," isreceived. Of course my noble friend is awarethat
wheiran answer is. received it will be immediately presented
to the house.
The Marquis of CLANRICA.RDE—I cheerfully and
sl°4ll comply with the request of my noble friend. I shall