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London, England, 1806-06-18 00:00:00

THE AIUIY.

Lord GRENVILLE moved the third reading of the
Mutiny-BR
Lord 111.411'KESBURY said, after the full di.--
cussion the Bill bad Undergone, he would not derin
their Lordships. by going over the -same grounds
again. His objet now was to: Move an Amend-
ment, which. was calculated, in his,opinioti, to ren-
der the measure before' the House less objettionable.
Many of the arguments urged by Noble Lords against
the Bill still: remained thianswerede and foi-thed in
his mind Very strong objections to the measure. tie
was still of opinion, that if a choice wAs':allowed to
persons enlisting to enlist either for life or for seven
years, 'that ninety-nine out of a'hundred ss ould pre-
fer the former. The only flit- way of trying the
measure in this way would be to allow perso44 to
enlist in either. way, giving sixteen bounty tier
'enlistment forlife, and twel'..-eguitie:As for seven years.
As it was, however; deckled-by the House, that enlist-
ing fora limited period should become 2 g,e.,eral
sure, it oiAly remained t to propose wiyit he con-
ceived would be a-beneficial alteration of that period.
He was of opinion that enlistiitganen for rime short
'term of seven years 'would produLe little benefit to
the Army, whilst at the, same time it.wonld nut be
any real advantage-to the men enlisted. Ile thought_
that twenty or twenty-one yeari_would be a period
much more' likely to prove advantageous. Let 'a
man serve for that period, and then, if be survived
the contingencies of the service, be entitled to a pen-
slon for the remainder of his,lite. The Army w,,uld,
by this means, always have aeertain miikber ur ex-
perienced SoKiiers 3 the value or whom were well
known to all Military Officers. On the other hand,
it was. to be feared that if men were eplisted. tor
only seven years, they would -become. restless and
unneady, and the Army not derive muchtnenent
from Soldiers of that description. The present Bill
rendered the period of miliwry service shorter in this
Country than-it was in any other state in Europe,
without, -as he conceived, prtatuising any adequate
advantage.' On the contrary, •great inconvenience
must necessarily ari,,e from .such a system in draft-
ing Regime-tits, and with respect to our Colonial
service. His 'Lordship, after recapitulating some of
the former arguments against the Bill; concluded by
moving to insert in the oath the period of twenty
years, instead of seven. • - .
The Earl of LJUDERDLE expressed his asto-
--nishment that such a Motion should come from thy,.
oi.,ler side of time House. On a former evening No-
Le Lords on the, other side had arraigned his Majes-
ty's Ministers for trenching, as, they alledged, on
the King's'Prefogative, by the enaament ref tine to
limited service contained in this Bill, and, now they
theßSelves come forward to, propose another limited .
period Of service, which was as much an invasion of
the King's Prerogative, according to their owtrargu-,
Meats, as :the proposition made by his Majesty's
..Mitilsters. lie thought it wholly Unnecessary to
argue as to the superior inducement which,thef-e
must be to everyman' to enlist tbr seven years rather
than for life, as such a disposition .was clearly de,
ducible from the slightest experience of. human na-
ture: The same di-o*m was equally applicable to
an enlistment for seven,' instead of twenty years. If
Noble Lords on the other side were told that t4ey
must remain.in a state of sorrowing and suffering,
it bad been termed the other night, for twenty
years instead of seven, they would. doubtless de-
claim loudly againt it, and endeavour,eren to make
-the period of seven years. still shorter. The oppo-
sition made to this measure appeared, to him very
singular, as the
_prinCiPle of enlisting 'for a limited
period had' been applied' by Noble Lords on t!ie
other side; before they' quitted *office, to time Ma-
rines, and it was from' the -success\ of this Kery
measure " that a vtffy Couvlochmg s'argnment w.is tl
be deduced in favour of the general itpplication of
the'ptinclple to''the whale Ariny.-, His tordsbip
stated an order made on 'the 3d of February, '
direCting tnen. to be ilillifed for the Marines fbr a
,Jithited period -during the war, and read extracts of
Letters froth General Campbell, to prove the success
Of the measure in obtaining reeruils, but dick nut
state the numbers enlisted: '.As to the obje6tion
takenby the Noble Lord, with-respect to drafting;
it was well known 'that When a Reginient was or,
dered to a diStant clitne, or oa foreigo,service, that -;
there Were alwaySiadiVna.ls bel )ii4ing to that Re: .
gitnent, who, from 'age of other. Causes, were inca
pable 'of encountering.the lati.;ne of. avoyage,,or the
heat of the climtlte to wall h he 'Reinbebt was
tined, and who were, the.e oie; drafted into other
' if this me.isure...N.vas carried into etieCt,
he •did not believe that thei.e would beat a-miy Lime
more men to draft on account of their terms of ser-
vice
_being near expiring, then 'there *etre Low for

Anot:ier,-pbjerticirt 1:n:: been'tAtn by
t!L: '.o.dpon ,11 s elk:more, as to the em pence vVith
ichirn it would be ,attended ; and, ht. nut sa.•?., that
this had been most unfairly argued. 'Those who had
argued 'on this'uomil, had included in their esti-
tnate the pens,ions given to disabled and retired ioh.
diers, -i.vrhen it must be evident that these pension§
were what soldiers.disabled by wounds' or age,
%Vete
justly entitled to, assa.2l*?Vision tire remnipder
of their lives, and that they fOrthed a strong incoute-
ment ou the side of .the re.eruiting service. He
would not detain the House, by entering into any,
further discussion of the, snbieei, the Lirguments
urged on the other side,. Navinnglalready been fully and
completely answered. He should therefore merely
declare his determination t 9 oppose the Amend-
ment. • _

Lord EAWKESBURY, in explanation, said he had
o knowledge whatever of the Order alluded to by
the Noble Earl. _ _

The Earl of SUFFOLK argued generally in favour
of the Bill, and objetited to the Amendment.
The Earl of WESTMORLAN O repeated several of
his_ former arguments against the measure,.and de-
nied mw knowledge of the Order to which the
Noble Earl (Lauderdale) alluded. He stipporteil
the Amendment.

The question was then put, tbat the word ".se-
ven'' stand part of the Bill ; which was carried.—
The Bill was passed, and a MesOge Sent to the House
of Commons to acquaint them therewith. •
• The House resolved itself into a Committee on the
Chelsea Allowances
A long conversation ensued, in which the'Earl of
AVEs-rmoß,r...vsp, Lord HAWRESBURY, the DtiKE of
Cu mr3 - and Lord ELDON,', requested in for-
(mation from Noble Lords an the other side as to the
probable amount of the allowances to be issued, and
contended. that it , was unprecedented to bring
.a
Bill of this nature. before Parliament without sonic
previouS estimate of the amount of the.expence.
-Lord GRENSVILT:Ei the Earl of.RossLyN,-the Earl
of CARNARVON, Lurd AUCKLAND, and the Earl of
LAODERDAi,F, contended, on the other hand, that it
was impossible to. make an estimate of an expence
the amount of Which must depend upon future casual-
ties and 'contingencies, and that the only objeel of the
Bill was to give the soldier a legal title td receive
those allowances which might be hereafter direeted
•by his Majesty and san&ioned by a Vote of Parlia-
,
Inept.

Lord ELDON, complained that the Bill was arnaz.:
ingly tznirttelligiblc._
Lord ii;RENVILLE said, if Noble Lords on the other
side' would Stay, he would endeavour, as far as his
poor abilities would allow, still further to explain the
Bill.

- Lord ELDON said, he would stay as long as the
Noble Lord-wished, if he-could make the Bill intel-
ligible. • - •
NO farther.bbjetStion *as made to the Bill, which
passed throgli the ,coMmittee, and was reported
without lnieudment.
Adjourned rill.ui-morrow (this day). -

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

TUESDAY, JUNE 17.

The Debate was resumed upon the Globe Insur-
•ance Incorporation Bill, and after some observations
from Sir 1. ANDERSON, Mr. S. LEFEvra., and Sir
T. INlcTcALvii,' the 'Gallery was' cleared for a divi-
sion, but no division too?; place. The Bill was read
a first, and ordered to be read a second time. .
Petitions were presented by Sirs J. ANDERSON
and W. tuirts, front several Insurance Companies,
against the Globe Insurance Incorporation
Ordered 'to lie on the Table.

Sir Jong SINCLAIR ;are notice, that he would
to-morrow call, the attention of the House to the
Report of the, Committee on the Broad-wheeled
Carriage 1111, particularly to that part of it which
related, to the number of outside passengers allowed
upon stittge-coaches.
Mr:Tv-x.l.l>R pre.ientei a Petition froni certaiD
persons against the Brighton, Jetty BilL The Peti-
tion stated, that the Petitioners were ignorant , until
very lately- that such a:Bill was before the House
and prayed that they might \be ft;roished with a
Copy of the said Bill, in. order. that they might op-
pose it._ _

tleheuk presDlted 'certain Papers from the
India Houst, pursuant.to order.—Ordered to lie on
the Table.
The Gibraltar and Malta Post Bill, the Duke of
GraltoU's Agreement Bill, and the Prussian Yarn
Bill ware read a second tiaie, ,and committed for
to-morrow.

The Produaion of certain Papers relative to India,
which were ordered some time since, btit which
►✓ere not yet op the Table, -was ordered forthwith.
Ordered, on the Motion of Mr. CALVERT, that a
ret-utn.should be presented to the House of the In-:
fermlitions brouAbt forward, and of the Conv;laions
and CoMpromiseS which had taken place in -conse-
quence of the offences': against the Act imposing a
Ditty on Malt, for Ten Years, ending in June; 1806.