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OXFORD CIRCUI7'.-IVORCESTER, JULY 17.

THE QUEEN AGAINST NICHOLAS HILL, JOSHUA BELL CLANK,
WILLIAM WIIITEHOUSE, SAMUEL TAILOR, JOSHUA PIN..
FIELD, WILLIAM SANSOM, HENRY HILL, AND GEORGE

WAKEMAN.

This WAS an indictment for riot at Bromsgrove on the
14th of Feb. last, and for an assault then committed upon
the Reverend Thomas Ban ington Geary Moore, curate of
Bromsgrove. The proceedings grew out of a vestry
squabble.
The Jury found all the defendants Guilty, except White.
house and Sansom.

His LORDSHIP said that sentence would not be passed at
the present time, but that the defendants m;glit be called
upon hereafter to receive judgment.

ACCIDENT FROM OMNIBUS RACING.—
Thursday morning, about twelve o'clock, two omnibuses
were racing in High Holborn, when the first one suddenly
stopped, and the pole of the omnibus behind was driven
with great force against the conductor, and forced in four
of his ribs. He was conveyed to Aliddlesex Hospital in a
deplorable condition.

11;PEHIAL PARLIAMENT.

HO(J•~'F OF LORDS. JULY 19

The Royal Assent was given to-day, by Commission,
to the Glass Duties Bill, the Brick Duties Bill, the Paper
Duties Bill, the Jamaica Laws Bill, the Parochial Cure
of Souls Bill, the Borough Courts (No. 2) Bill, the
Bankrupt Liability Bill, the Borough Watch Rates Bill,
the Newport Dock Bill, the Deptford Pier Bill, the South
Eastern Railway (No. 2) Bill, the Northern arid Eastern
Railway (No. 1) Bill, the Northern and Eastern Rail-
way (No. '2) Bill, the Deptford Pier Junction Rail-
way Bill, the Over Darwen Gas Bill, the Sidmouth im-
provement and Market Bill, the Patent White Lead Corn
pany Bill, the Filtration Company Bill, the Black Quarry
(or Anuisland) Road Bill, the Earl of Galloway's Estate
Bill, Davies's Estate Bill Hall's Estate Bill, Marshall's
Estate Bill, the Earl of Stamford's Estate Bill, Reading
Corporation Estate BM, Pemberton's Divorce Bill, Mel-
lin's Divorce Bill, WeguAin's Divorce Bill, and Count de
St. George's Naturalization Bill.
The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the
Marquis of Conyngham, and the Earl of Shaftesbury.
The House resumed, when the LORD CHANCELLOR took
his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'Clock.
Lord RODEN presented petitions from Liverpool, and
a great variety of places, against the Irish Corporation
Bill. -

The Earl of WICKLOW wished to remind the Noble and
Learned Lord on the Woulsack of a pledge made by him
last Session, that a Bill should be introduced in the course
of the present Session, in reference to Ireland, similar to
the Abolition of Imprisonment for Debt Bill in this coun-
try. He (the Noble Earl) had been anxiously looking for
the introduction of such a Bill into the other House of Par-
liament, but lie had not been able to see anything of it set,
and be hoped the Noble and Learned Lord would be able
to say that before the termination of the Session such a Bill
would be b"fore Parliament

The LORD CHANCELLOR was understood to say
that the Noble Earl could not be more anxious on this
subject than he was himself, aid he had done every thing
in his power to forwari such a Bill. Great difficulties had
occurred, but an arrangement of the machinery was now
going on, and he trusted that before the conclusion of the
Sess►on the Bill would be in a state to be introduced.
The Soap Duties Bill passed thr.ugh a Committee, and
was ordered to be printed on Monday.
Upon the motion of Lord DUNCANNON the Turn_
pike Continuation Bill was read a third time, and passed.
The Highways' Rate ILturns Bill was read a third

time and passed.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, presented a
uetitien tr-m the ministers and eiders of the Pr.'sby-
terian Synod of Ulster assembled at Belfast, praying
that P. e.byterian soldiers might be marched to
Presbyterian places of worship. instead of the places of
Roman Catholic worship, with Roman Catholic soldiers.
The Noble Marquis said that there were not more loyal sub-
jects in existence than the petitioners on the present occa-
sion. Many petitions had already been presented on this sub-
ject, and it was highly desirable that her Majesty's Ministers
should consider whether this request could be complied
with in places where it might be convenient to comply with
it. Perhaps it might be accomplished by the in-
troduction of a few words into the Mutiny Bill,
or by some arrangement with the Commander-in-Chief.
It was really very hard that Presbyterian soldiers, when
they were ordered to go to Church, should not be allowed
to go to that place which even prejudice might induce
them t 9 prefer.
Lord BROUGHAM bad been requested to support the
pray er of this petition. He might not agree with some of
the opinions of the petitioners, still their opinions, he
was persuaded, were conscientiously entertained. He
entirely agreed with the observations made by the Noble
Marquis. The petition came from a body of persons who
had been staunch supporters of the reigning family
ever since they came to the throne, and the Noble
Marquis had been well selected to present the petition,
because he was a branch of one of the oldest and most
distinguished Presbyterian families in the north of Ireland.
The Marquis of DO WNSHIRE presented a petition
from the servants of the Corporation of Dublin, praying for
compensation and superannuation allowances in certain cases.
The Noble Marquis would take this opportunity of ex-
pressing his high gratification at the information he had
received, that the ancient custom of processions in the
north of Ireland on the 12th of July had been aban-
doned. He had received accounts from many parts
that the wish expressed by the Noble Lord at the
head of the Irish Government that there should be no
longer processions or exhibitions on the anniversary of the
battle of the Boyne, had been met in a becoming spirit
on the part of the people.—( Hear, hear.) He was par-
tieulerly gratified also to learn that it had not been
necessary to order any troops to he marched into that part
of Ireland, as had been the course adopted last year on the
12th of July. He could not help also congratulating the
House and thecountry that in the county of Down, at the
Summer Assizes this year, there were only 27 prisoners
for trial.

The Marquis of NORM AN B Y cordially partook in the
gratification expressed by the Noble Marquis in reference
to the facts he had stated; but be thought it but justice to
the Lords' Justices, who were administering the
Government in his absence last year, to state that it was
their intention to have adopted the same course last
year that was taken on this occasion, but for certain
indiscreet proceedings which took place on the Ist of
July, which induced them to change their course.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY gave notice that
on Tuesday he would present petitions relative to the Es-
tablished Church in the Colonies, and perhaps move for
papers, illustrating the subject.
CRIME IN IRELAND—REPORT OF THE
COMMITTEE.

Lord \VHARNCLIFFE presented the Report of the
Committee on crime and outrage in Ireland (a most
weighty document), and stated that the Committee bad
thought it right to express no opinion, but simply to re-
port the evidence.
The CI.ERK read the report, which was as follows:
" Your Committee have examined a considerable nurn
ber of witnesses, and they think it desirable that the
evi-
dence should be submitted to the House unaccompanied
by any comment
or oninion.- The late period of the Ses-
sion precluded the Committee from investigating some
parts of the subject, most important for elucidating the
real state of Ireland. In making their Report upon that
part of the evidence now before them they beg to recom-
mend the whole to the serious attention of the House. It
may be for the consideration of the House, whether the
Committee shall resume their labours in the next Session.
They also subjoin an Appendix to their Report."
Lord BROUGHAM said, having attended this Com-
mittee, and taken a
piirt in its discussions, he felt it his
duty to bring before their Lordships one portion of the
Report. Ha was bound to express his sense of the ability,
industry, and strict impartiality, which his Noble Friend
(Lord Whartieliffe) had displayed in the chair of the Corn-
rnittee. They had originally intended to present a kind of
abstract of the evidence, and when their Lordships re-
flected that there were near, 18,000 questions, 1,400
printed folio pages, there certainly would be great want of
some such key. Various Noble Lords had, indeed, exe-
cuted portions of the abstract with great succinctness, but
they found, that notwithstanding all their attempts at
condensation, the length of the abstract would be far too
protracted, and would have occupied them to the last day
of the Session, so they gave it up. That part of the evi-
dence to which he felt it his duty to call the attention of
the Howe was that which referred to the administration of
justice—the most important point either in this, or any
other case.—( Hear, hear.) lie would put into the hands
of Noble Lords, as the most convenient course, a single
folio page of reference to the pages (not to the questions)
of the evidence, on which he meant to rely, scattered
rs they were, all over this voluminous mass of documents.
He now gave notice that on Tuesday next he should,
unless his Noble and Learned Friend opposite (Lord
Lyndhurst) who had attended the Committee, and ren-
dered much valuable assistance in the inquiry--unless his
Noble and Learned Friend previously gave any notice on
the subject, or wished to take it out of hi 3 hands; he
(Lord Brougham) would on the day which he had named,
the thirtieth of the present month, bring the question un-
der the consideration of the House.

Lord L YN D H U R ST said he would take a part in the
discussion when the Noble and Learned Lord brought the
question forward.
Lord H ATHERTON having taken part in the investi-
gation thought it right to say a word to their Lordships.
He had no hesitation in stating that the Noble Chairman
of that Committee had acted with a fairness and impartial..
ity which deserved the warmest commendation.—(Hear,
hear.) He woold go further and say that the Noble Earl
lett° had moved the appointment of the Committee—al-
though he (Lord Hatherton) had dissented from it—had
displayed a courtesy and kindness, and a spirit of justice
towards his opponents which entitled him to the praise of
their. Lordship.. He -hoped - hla - Noble and Learned
Friend would consider a littlo'beferer he caned the atter,
ttod of their Lordships to the matter at so early
early a day. The Report occupied 1,400 folio pages,
a:hieh would not be in the hands of their Lordships before
Monday week, and it would be impossible in the course of
one week to comprehend all the bearings of the evidence.
lie did not think there would be any advantageous result
from discussing the question partially, and it was a ques-
tion with him whether it would not be much more judicious
t& postpone it till nest Session.
The Mr/lois of NOR MANB Y felt that it was his duty
to say a 'word at the earliest moment. Ho was ready to
give eneir Lordships the best explanation of any acts of his,
et the same time he must observe, in corroboration of what
had, been said by his Noble Friend behind him, that the
w'nole of the evidence was entirely new to him, and it
would be impossible for him to give his undivided attention
to it between the time when it would be in his hands and
the day fixed by the Noble and Learned Lord, He should
be naturally desirous to refresh his memory upon many
points, and find some vindication of his:conduct in those
portions of the evidence to which his attention was not
more immediately directed.
Lord BROUGHAM said he would never have at-
tee pted to give a notice for the day he had mentioned if
he had not understood that the evidence would be in their
Lordship's hands on Monday next. But their Lordships
'would recollect that the evidence had been in print any
Time for the last three weeks, with the exception of
thieg might have thez dozen
copyor which he (Lord Brougham) had re-
ferred to, and he doubted not that if
htde n) abundant rea-
sons
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why he thought there was ample time to discuss the
matter during the present Sevion. When a Committee
made a Report extending to 1,400 folio pages, with index
or reference, it could only tend to contuse and perplex
one to wade through it. His opinion, therefore, undoubt-
edly was that those Noble Lords who understood anything
of the matter should give the others, who did not, the
means of understanding the evidence, and no means was so
important or adva etageous as discussing Hear, hear.)
He would also of iserve that it was important ad concerned
the Noble Marquis, that the subject should be discussed
during the present Session; because it was manifest that
in the course of the long vacation that Report would
be made use of in other quarters, and charges
founded upon it brought against the Noble Marquis.

1 He by no means said that he was goins, to n ake any crimi.
natory charge against the Noble Marquisa or any other
, person ; he had no hesitation in saying that his met on
would be in the shape of a prospective Resolution. In
the course of the discussion a different course might be
taken ; all he undertook for was the nature of his own
motion ; he did not intend to make any charge crimina-
tory of any individual, it might be the system which be
felt called upon to condemn—certainly that would be his
course with reference to the administration of justice.
During the last three weeks he had most carefully gone
through the evidence, and he could say that there were
not above forty pages which any Noble Lord need read,
in order to glean all that was connected with that subject.
He trusted the evidence would be in their Lordships' hands
early next week, and he would fix his motion for Monday
fortnight.
Lord RODEN was very glad that the course which he
had felt it to be his duty to pursue, had received the ap-
probation of the Noble and Learned Lord and other Peers.
He had taken that course without any political obj-ct, or
being in any way influenced by party feeling. He was
actuated only by a desire to bring before the country,
what was the state in which that part of the empire
was with which he was connected ; he was very happy to
receive the approbation of the Noble Baron. He could
not help saying that the conduct of the Noble Lord, and
others in the Committee, had given him very great satis-
faction, and made him regret that he had not sooner be-
come acquainted with them. He trusted the great mass
of the country would make themselves acquainted with the
evidence on the table. He was highly gratified that the
Noble Lord intended to take the course of which he had
given notice. With respect to the evidence, he knew that
a motion was made in the Committee, and no one opposed
it, that a copy of the evidence should be daily furnished to
the Noble Marquis, as they were anxious that their pro-
ceedings should be open.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH—It was a matter of
notoriety that many Members of the House were out of
town. He thought it would be found that there were
enough of copies printed to furnish each of their Lordships
with one.
Lord WHA RNCLIFFE said there were not more
copies printed than served the Committee. He hoped
something would be done to expedite the printing, and that
they should soon be in the hands of Noble Lords. There
were many more subjects than the one named by the Noble
and Learned Lord.

Lord BROUGHAM did not mean for a moment to say
that there were not many more subjects for discussion. Of
course it was open to any Noble Lord to bring any part of
the evidence before the House which he pleased.
Toe Earl of RADNOR thought it %you'd be totally
impossible for Noble Lords who knew resthing of the pro-
ceedings of the Committee to make themselves master of
such a volume in the limited time proposed. It was very
well for those Noble Lords who had heard all the evi-
dence, but those who had not could not be expected to
make themselves masters of the subject in the time men-
tioned by the Noble and Learned Lord.
Lord BROUGHAM said this was an unprecedented
debate. He had given notice of a motion, and no one had
a right to aster his intention, and in the other House,
where they had some little regard for order, this debate
would not have been allowed to go on for five seconds of
time.—( Laughter.) If there was any one Noble Lord
mere than another who had no right to make the observa-
tions, it was the Noble Lord himself; for whose fault was
it that he did not know the whole of the proceedings ? He
was named on the Committee.—( Lord Wharncliffe_" I
named him.") What right then had lie to complain that
he knew nothing about it.—( Hear.) He would appeal to
those Noble Loris who attended the Committee whether
the examination on his (L ,rd Brougham's) part had not
been conducted with the utmost fairness.—( Hear, hear.)
He would venture to say that the most severe cross-exami-
nation was administered to the witness called to impeach
the conduct of the Noble Marquis, and he would appeal to
their Lordships whether the truth could have been elicited if
that cross-examination had not been as rigorous as it was.
The Noble Lord said that twelve days were not sufficient
to examine the evidence, but this was entirely a mistake,
for the administration of justice was confined to a very
narrow compass.—( Hear, hear.) The real object now in
view was to drive him (Lord Brougham) over the long
vacation, but he would not be driven over it.--(Cheers.)
During the whole of the inquiry, no objection had been
made to any course taken by those who defended the
Government. Mr. Drummond had a week or ten days
given him to revise and correct his evidence, and would
indeed have left several very important points for the
defence unexplained, had it not been for his ( Lord
I Brougham's) suggestions. To Mr. Drummond, there-
fore, he confidently appealed as to his thorough impar-
tiality, and he now proceeded to give judgment against
his Noble Friend, and pronounce that there should be no
postponement beyond Monday fortnight—( Hear.)
The Earl of RADNOR explained. He did not mean
to accuse his Noble and Learned Friend of partiality in
the Committee, but certainly his Noble and Learned
Friend had expressed a very strong opinion, upon the
appointment of the Committee, on one side of the question.
Earl FITZWILLIAM wished to know whether his
Noble and Learned Friend, after having rrilde the motion
of which he had given notice, intended to throw over-
board the rest of the evidence? or whdther he meant to
reserve the remainder till next Session ?—(The Noble
Earl sat close behind Lord Brougham, and as the latter
Noble and Learned Lord was rising, said familiarly,
" Come, now, what do you mean to do upon that ?"
Laughter. )
Lord BROUGHAM—My Lords, certainly the last
question is clear enough—( A laugh)—and the answer will
be equally so—that my motion will refer to the adniinis-
trotion of justice; and that I do not intend to advert to any
other part of the evidence, thinking that this is by
far the most important point—as to the rest, in-
deed there may be doubt. With regard to what
my Noble Friend calls in figurative language " throwing
overboard," I cannot do it if I would : there stands the
Report—some persons, perhaps, would like to throw it
overboard to lighten the ship, I shall not. —( A laugh. )
,t The Marquis of NORMANBY was anxious it should
be understood that he wished not to decline or di•fer the
inquiry one day longer than Noble Lords would find it
convenient, to muster the evidence which would be re-
ferred to.—(" Hear, hear," from Lord Brougham.) He
also wished to say, that he certainly did not understand
the Noble and Learned Lord to have any intention of
bringing a criminal charge against him.--(" Certainly
not," from Lord Brougham.)
Lord PORTMAN thought there would be abundance
of time given by the Noble and Learned Lord's notice, to
consider the evidence on the subject.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH expressed a hope that the
discussion would be limited strictly to the practical admi-
nistration of justice.—( Hear.)
Lord BROUGHAM thought the debate would natu- •
rally fall into the channel to which be should confine it,
namely, to the administration of justice.
Earl FITZWILLIAM doubted if his Noble and
Learned Friend, with all his ability, would be able to keep
every Noble Lord strictly to one topic. He wished to sug-
gest to his Noble and Learned Friend—
Lord BROUGHAM—No, no—its of no use.

Earl FITZ WIL LIAM said he was afraid it was of no
use. His Noble and Learned Friend had very often in
private told him that he (the Noble Earl) was the most
obstinate man:in existence—(" Hear, hear," from Lord
Brougham and others, and much laughter)—and certainly
he had little hope of diverting his Noble and Learned
Friend from the course he had chalked out for himself to
pursue, but he certainly could not believe that it would be
possible for his Noble and Learned Friend to confine the
House in the manner he proposed • nay, he did not
believe it would be possible for Noble and Learned
Friend to confine himself, when once he got upon the
subject, within the limits he had prescribed.—( Heat.)
Lord WHARNCLIFFE wished the House to under.
stand, that though his Noble and Learned Friend might
bring the subject before the House in the confined manner
in which he now proposed, yet that he (the Noble Lord)
should take some other opportunity of bringing forward
some other matters connected with the Report.
Lord STEWART did not think it would be just to-
wards the Noble Marquis late at the head of the Irish Go-
vernment, or to .her Majesty's Government, to deal with
the subject in the way now proposed. The whole and not
a part ought to be brought forward at one time. The
Noble and Learned Lord had said he should adopt a
course which should not involve a criminator point; but
was that the course intended to be taken by Noble Lords
on the other side of the House? Did they not conceive
that that was the weak point?
Lord ELLENBOROUGH—No.

Lord STE WART would say yes. He had had con-
versation with many of that party, and he had been told
by them that this was the fire in which they were heating
red-hot balls, with which they meant to attack her Majesty's
Government. They thought that the Irish Government
was the weak point, though he did. not think so, at which
ther-nicsimr-toewettairk*mhee-afejeitty". -Government. fiis
Noble relative, the Chairman of that Committee, whose
impartiality was so universally admitted, would best dis-
charge his duty by bringing the whole matter forward on
the night for which the Noble and Learned Lord had given
notice.

The Marquis of WESTMEATH—I don't think the
balls are a bit hotter on this subject than they are on,
every other.—(Laughter.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition
from a place in Somersetshire, praying for a penny postage.
BILLS OF EXCHANGE BILL (SECOND BILL).
Upon the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE
the Bills of Exchange Bill (Second Bill), to which a
clause proposed by Lord Ashburton, which was not ob-
jected to, but the nature of which could not be heard in
the gallery, was added_was read a third time and passed.