The Sun.
London, England, 1806-03-12 00:00:00

Lawrence, and Mr. .Rose.—The House resumed; the
Report waslzeceiv&l, and ordered to be le-consider-cc'
on Thursday.
Sir C. BUNIIIiRY presented a -Petition from the
-Maltstet*of the County of Suiliblk, -complaining of
the injury they, suffer from the Aestriaions imposed
by the Malt Ad.
-A.similai-Petition was presented by M 4 --Morgan
froM the Maltsters of Warwickshire and Coventry.
—Both Petitions wlereOrderc.:d to lie on the. Table.
Mr. ROSE presented a Petition from the. Trustees
of the British Museum,, praying Aid.---Ordered to
lie on the Table.
.1` THE ARMY, .•
The SECRETARY AT WAR brought in the Mutiny
Bill, which was read a first time ; and, upon'a Mo-
tion .for the second reading, ".

General TAatteroN' asked, to' what time it was'
• meant tc . extend the operation of this AS ?
The SECRETARY AT ,WAR, replied, to the time
for which the Estimates-on the Table were made
up, namely, for m) months froM the 25th inst.
Mr.:FiALEA said, that there was a class of, per-
sons in the Country who were particularly affeCted
• by one Of- the provisions of this Act, in which some
modification was exceedingly desirable.
The' SPEAKER suggested to the Hon. Member,
that the Committee' would be the proper place to
propOse the inoditication he alluded,to.
The Bill was ordered to be read ksecond time to-
moi-rowe
Bills were brougnt in by Mr. VANSITTART for
the parand-:clothing of the Militia of Great Britain
and Ireland ; also to make provision for the disem-
. bodied Militia, and for the Subalterns, Sec. of the
former. •
These Bills were read a first, and ordered to be
read a second time to-morrow.
• 'Ordered; on the IVlotion of Lord HENRY PETTY,
that the Hon. Henry Parnell should be added to the
Committee appointed to examine the joint Accounts
between Great Britain and Ireland:
, .
THE 'CATHOLICS.
The Hon. Mr. DlLLON'rose to. put a question,
,which, he said, he felt to be necessary in the dis-
charge of his duty: In doing.so, therefore, it could
not •be supp6Sed that he was actuated by any idle
curiosity.. In consequence of rumours which had
gone abroad that a change of opinion had taken place
among those who had formerly suppoifedthe Claims
of the Catholics, as fo the expediency, of urging
these 'Claims at• present, and that the Catholics of
~ Ireland had acquiesced in the propriety of that
change, he thought it_ highly proper to put this
"question. It•was of' the utmost. importance to the
tranquillity of Ireland that this subject should be set
at rest ,one way or the other, and he trusted the Right
Hon. Gentleman ;would relieve him from, his sus,
'pence on the subjea.
Mr. FOX spoke to the following effea :—Really
• the question of the Hon. Gentleman is so extremely
vague than I cannot pretend to answer it, for I.
confess that Ido not distinffly understand it. The
Hon. Gentleinan, has talked of some rumours afloat
as to an alteration of opinion respe&ing the Catho-
lics among thoSe who formerly supported them—
but as I do not-know to whom he alludes, I cannot
give him a preeise answer. But 'with'regard to the
rumour that the Catholic Body have acquiesced in
the reported alteration i*peeting their Claims,
should rather ask the Hon, Gentleman himself upon
that point. So far as lam concerned in this ques-
t •
tion, whenever it conies under discussion?, I shall
be perfectly ready to state mye opinion; and- all
I think it necessary to say as to my future- concluet,-
is to refer to a consideration of 'my past. I can-
not, however, hesitate to state2tbat if any Gentle-
, man were.to ask My advice as to the .propriety of
bringing forward the Catholic Claims at
.present, I
should recommend him to take, into censideration
the prospect of success, and the, greater probability
of- succeeding this year or the .next ; at the same
time to bear in mind/the issue of last year's discus-
sion. ;In the part which I took upon that 'occasion,
I was aanated by else strongest Sense, of duty—but
at present do not feel myself obliged to ,say any
thing more upon thesubject_.
Mr. DILLON was induCed to put the ,question
he had submitted in consequence of rumours—and'
he believed that •to put a question to' Ministers;
upon such a ground, 'was Jsot' unprecedented: He,
remembered, indeed, the Honourable Gentleman
himself—
The SPEAKER called the Hon. Momber to order,'
as there was no eitiestion before the House.
• Mr. PAULL postponed till Friday one of the no 7
tices respecting the conduct of Lord Wellesley, which
stood for this day.
Lord OSS UL STO IV rose;• pursuant to notice,
to move for a Return of the Debts :of the India
Company in India, specifying the titir and the
terms upon which each D.obt :was contracted, and
when and where the principia and interest of the seve
ral Loans_ were Made payable, froni the sth of Jan.
' 1804, to the latest time at which the same could be
made °ht. The Noble Lord disclaimed any want of
confidence in the views of the present Ministers re-,,-
spetaing; India, or 'in the disposition of: those
.to
whom the Government of, India was more pecu-
liarly comMitted : he • had not the least dOubt that
the wish of both was to give every information that
_could be 'fairly , desired, and that their distinguish-
ing eharaderistic, 'would
,be rather, to promote than
to discourage inquiry -in every department of the
Public Administration : objea in undertaking a
subject of such size and magnitude, was in order to
lay before the House and the-Country the true state
of the Finances of, India; with a view to urge the
adoption of measures in due time to guard the
Finances of -England from suffering from.the em-
barrassthents of the former. After some comments
on the conduct of Indian affairs, and 'particularly for
.the last thirteen years, during whichmn condition
of the India Company'syecuniary,engacrements with
the Ptfblic had been fulfilled, the Noble Lord's Mo-
tion was put.
Lord MORPETH expressed a wish that his
Noble Friend would withdraw his Motion, assuring
him that it was. the intention of Ministers to lay
before the House the fullest possible information
with respell to the aftilirs of India. In conformity
with this intention th,e Noble Viscount stated, that
he would, in -a Very-few days, submit a Motion for
a return of all the Debts of ,the India Company ;
the Loans contraCled by the seyeral Presidencies,
and the terms upon which they were made, distin-
gaishing such Loans as bore interest from those
which slid not with the terms of interest, when

acid where psyable, grc. up to the latest period.. Sec.
Such an account, he believed, would; answer better
than that moved -.for the object he professed to
have in view. There was an additional reason for
acceding to a short delay ; and it Was' this, that it
would enable those concerned in. the immediate
Superintendance of Indian 'affairs to colleet more ac-
curate information, which, they would be most pro-
bably enabled to do by farther arrivals. _ _ _

Lord OSSULSTON assented to the request .of his
I 'Noble Friend., •

• Mr. FIizINCIS rose, not' to take any part in the
discussion of this subje&, but merely to say, that
there Was one question conne&cd with the Finances
of India, to which, notwithstanding his general re-
solution,' as the House had heard, he felt himself
bound ; and that was, the Loan made by the Go-
vermnent of Bombay to G‘xicowar. Upon this
Loan, hoWever, he should reserve his sentiments
until' all the promised documents .should be laid be!.
fore the House, and until the India Budget should
be brought forward 'for discussion:
Lord FOLIKSTONE was glad that the•attention
of the House had been called to the important iu=
terests India, and thought many good effects
Would be. likely to arise from this circumstance :
he -hoped that the docinnents --promised by the
Noble Member of the Board of Controul. would be
speedily brought fbrwhrd, and fully satisfa&ory.
..Lord TEMPLE, referring to the notice which bad
been postponed by Mr. Paull, took occasion to state,"
that the Hon. Member was now called upon, in can-
dour and fairness to Lord 'Wellesley, to state the
nature of the, charge which it was his intention to.
bring forwa-rd on Friday, pursuant to his notice.

Mr. PAULL said he.should decline giving thb
ble Lord any answer on the subject.

Lord OSSULSTON'S Motion was, with leave of the
House, withdrawn.

Mr. PAULL rose, pursuant to notice, to move
for - the production of the Coirespondence which
had taken place between the Governor-General and
Council of India and the COmmanaer in Chief, &c.
relative to the commencement of ,War with the Ra-
jah of Bhurtpore. The Hon. Member defended
himselffrom the charges which calumny had pro=
pagated against him, in consequence of the conduct
which he had been impelled by duty to.pursue upon
the subject of India, and particularly with resped
to Marquis Wellesiey. Towards the latter it had,
he understood, • been insinuated, that -he was
ated merely by personal animosity. That insinua-
tion, he was certain; could never proceed from the
Noble Lord himself, for that Noble Lord knew him.
too well to ascribe his conduCt to such a motive—
for his Lordship must know that it was impossible
'for him to feel any animosity. No provocation had
ever been given. On the contrary, he had expe-
rienced particular kindness from Lord . Wellesley,
and therefore ,nothing but a strong sense, of duty
could have urged him ,to follow' the course he
had undertaken. After dwelling some time on this
point, and citing testimonies as to his charaCter 'and
conduct in India, the Hon. Member adverted to
the declarations, which the House had heard from,an
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Johnstone) in the course of
y,esterday's Debate. That Hon. Gentleman declared,
'that he had no intention whatever of becoming the.
accuser. of LOrd Wellesley. This declaration he
heard with surprize, particularly when be recollected
that that Hon. Gentleman took the lead of him in
thi line of accusation. But he was much more
surpriZed,and concerned, - in common with all the
friends of India and justice, at the declarations whiCh
had been made in another quarter, or rather at the
declining to make any explicit declaration or pledge
as to the system to he followed ita the future Govern-
ment• of India.
The SPEAKER called to the recolleClion of the'
Hon. Member, that it was not regular to refer to
expressions used in a former Debate:

The Hon. Gentleman resuined, and animadverted,
with much severity upon the condu& adopted by
Lord Wellesley towards the Rajah of Bhurtpore,
which, he contended', was even less excusable than:
the recent condu& of Bonaparte towards the Royal
Family of Naples. Upon the first Motion being
put--
-Lod TEMPLE rose, and entered into a vindi-
cation of the conduel of his Noble Friend, Lord
Wellesley, which, he was confident, would appear
to the House, and to the Country, to be not merely
• justifiable, but laudable, and particularly upon the
case just referred to by the Hon. Mover. When the
Documents moved for should 'be tin the Table, he
had no doubt that they would be found to tell. quite
a different story from that which the Hon. Mover
had detailed. And if.that Hon. Gentleman had,
in candour and fairness, thought proper to read those
Documents attentively, he was certain that they
would have served to convince him of thefallacy of
hiO statements, and the erroneousness of the opi-.
Diens, he= had propagated as to the charader of teat
distinguished Statesman who had been so long 'the
.subjed of his animadversion.
Mr. PAULL, in explanation; stated, that upon
the very Documents alluded to by the Noele.Lord
he grounded aeodsatietio against Lord Wellesley.
Mr. JOHNSTONE was very sorry that it had
been thought worth while to advert to any thing
that had tossed between himself acid the Hon.
Mover; and he would have said nothing about' the
matter, had it not been that his silence might lead
the House to imagine that he really had encouraged
the H6n.-Gentleman in his pro4eedings in this bu
siness. In ilia-, he bad dissuaded hini from be-
coming a candidate for the Borough which he 110 W
represented, and afterwards from following up these
charges. He did not say,liowever, that these were
fundamentally wrong; but 'he 'thought this pro-
ceeding, under all the circumstances, inexpedient,
both as far ,as regarded the Hon. Gentleman and
himself : his own reasons for not coming forward
with any such charges were—first, the impossibility
, which he experienced of procuring redress for the
wrongs of a Prince of India (the. Nabob of Oude)
'to whom he was' much attached ; which attach-
ment, perhaps, rendered him incapable of condu&ing
the atfair with impartiality-2dly, the suspicions that
might arise that he could not judge fairly and candidly
in the case of Lord Wellesley—and idly, the treachery
of which the Rajah of Bhurtpore had been guilty al-
most to an unparalleledixtent. He did not deny
this ; bat he asked where was the wisdom or po-
Lcy of making. a Treaty with Allis ,yery person on
whom 'no dependence Whatever could be placed ?
How came the ceded Fortresses and the Money'to
be returned It was becaus9 Lord Corawalli saw