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The resolution was then put and carried unanimously.

Dr. BAINBRIDGE proposed the second resolution :
" Resolved—That John Temple Leader, Esq., having by
his conduct during the time that he has had a seat in the
House of "Commons, and by his declarations on the hust-
ings, as well by as his written address:to the electors, shown
that he entertains opinions in consonance with those of-the
majority of the householders of this parish; the inhabitants
present declare that he is a fit and proper person to repre-
sent them, and they pledge themselves to give him all the
support in their power."
Mr. WARD, M.P., in seconding this resolution, said he
had double pleasure in seconding the resolution, from the
respect which he entertained for Mr. Leader. He begged
[ to bear his testimony to the indefatigable zeal of that
Hon. Gentleman in aiding all questions involving the ex-
tension of popular power. • They could not find a fitter
man for their champion. The Hon. Gentleman, in an able
speech, deprecated the apostasy and singular conduct of the
late Member for Westminster. With reference to the
question immediately under consideration, if the election
went against the Liberal candidate, he could not but look
to the fatal effect which such a result must have on every
question now at issue ; and the electors of Westminster
must throw their weight into the scale to avert such a
calamity.
Mr. LEADER hoped that he might be blessed with
strength, with energy, and with sufficient ability to fight
their battle as it should be.—(Hear, hear.) He must
confess he was not very old ; but he was old enough to dis-
tinguish between right and wrong, and to have acted upon
his own opinions for three or four years. He did not
know what some persons might consider to be a proper
age ; but he was old enough to do that which he had already
done, namely, to advocate the people's cause ; that cause he
had advocated as zealously and as sincerely as any man.
Yet, in spite of this complaint that he was too young, he
would not ask again at what age a man was fit to be a Re-
presentative ? , Some might think a man of sixty-five years
of age was better than one of five-and-twenty. Now, the
question which be and those whom he was addressing had
to deal with, was not as one between Sir Francis- Burdett
and himself, but it was one at issue between the supporters
of Liberal Institutions and the'upholders of arbitrary rule ;
it was a question between a free responsible Government
and the old system under which they had so long 'groaned
in the time of a despotic Tory rule.—( Hear, hear.) It was
a contest between the many who thought that they should
hare a fair share in -the legislation, and the few who thought
that they were born to govern and the people to obey.—
(Hear, lielr.) He had already published to the electors a
brief statement of his political opinions. He was now, as
he ever had been, what was commonly called a Reformer:
But he must observe, that there were m my sorts of Re-
formers. There mieht be many, for instance; who ob-
jected to some of the Reforms which he desired to see
carried into affect—there might be some who might
wish for what was termed 'moderate Reform—some
persons there were who were what were called moderate
Whigs. Now these shades of difference existed, and he
would say that in nine out of ten cases they might argue,
and if the difference remained only on the tenth case they
would not refuse to support a man who agreed in principle
and detail on the others. fic was aware that not only in
Westminster, but elsewhere, the opinions of the Radicals
were much maligned, because there was a timid party to
abuse them. Ile knew it had been objected to himself,
that be bad talked very openly in public meetings, and
had said that he thought it would be for the good govern-
ment of the country that some understanding should be
come to between the peoi-de and the House of Lords.
This declaration had been urged against him as a great
crime. Many maintained that this doctrine was revo-
lutionary and must tend to anarchy—that he sought
to pull down everything—to create a general confusion
in the cottntry. And all these allegations were made because
he had.said that the House of Lords had fur a long time past
stood in the way of the best interests of the people, and had
obstructed the legislation of the country. The House of
Lords had risked the danger of a civil war in Ireland, by re-
fusing to the 'lrish people those rights to which they were
,ntitlerl. Now, when he spoke thus of the House of Lord::,
this ‘v.es the very "ergs of his Redicalisni. 'He was glad to
fiod that so far from being disappointed in his deck-
ration, it seemed to be the general feeling of that assembly
dm-. the House of Lords had been opposed to the best in-
terests of the people.—(Loud cheering.) There was no-
thing revolutionary in that doctrine ; there was nothing un-
constitutional in it. Their opponents were talking a great
deal about the Constitution—they had become very fond
of the Constitution. But he should like to hear their de-
finition of the Constitution He believed that by the term'
constitution they meant the upholding all pensions, plu-
rality of voting, voting by proxy, &c. But when he
talked of the House of Lords in this way, and declared it
to be not revolutionary to do so, did they not recollect
that only a few years ago, when any man spoke of reform-
ing the House of Commons lie was immediately held up by
the aristocracy as a raark for every man to shoot at as a
visionary—as a supporter of new fangled laws. Then
they were told that the Constitution was the moat perfect
system of Government that human' wisdom could devise.
Certain Statesmen told them that the Constitution was the
perfection of human wisdom! But was that the opinion of
the people of England ? In those times when they called
for a reform of the House of Commons, they wire called
violent Radicals who desired to see confusion, and to cause
a general scramble of property. But did they not ulti-
mately reform the House of Commons? He found that
Lord John Russell had said something- about " relaxing"
the Reform Bill. He was delighted whorl he heard this,

because certain persons supposed that the Refortn Bill was
ex Gail measure, They must also got 6(1 or that sposoltss;
tttipiti rogitiatinti tit a jiftip;ikty qdalitication for Members.
WOre men's intellects tp be maasured by the acre, or their
good sense by the pound sterling? Again, they must have
the duration of Parliaments limited, in order that the repre-
scntatis es of the people might be called before their consti-
tuencies much oftener than they now were. But one chief ob-
ject which they must keep in view was the vote by ballot.
Without a system of secret voting the elective franchise
was a mere mockery ; it was worse—it was a curse.—

(Hear, hear.) He never could hare believed the extent to
which intimidation was carried on. He had seen its effects
in Bristol, where many most respectable merchants were
compelled to vote against their consciences. But even in
Westminster, where be had thought intimidation unknown,
and where the will of the people was supreme, he found
that my lord tbk and my lady that., and the, young ladies
paraded Regent-street and Bond street canvassing the
tradesmen. To attain tile three great objects which he re-
commended, he would say, " Agitate, agitate, agitate !"
_ _

fill they should compel the Legislature to adopt a great
measure of Parliamentdry Reform embodying those mea-
sures.—(The Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst thunders
of applause and cheering.)
Cul. Thompson, Mr. Ewart, Mr. Tulk, Mr-Carpue, and

Mr. llarvey, each addressed a few words to the meeting.
Three cheers having been given for Mr. Leader the
meeting separated at a quarter past eleven, long before
which time the heat was dreadfully oppressive.

11111: SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, MAY 5, 1837.

ADJOURNED COUNTY DAY.

gativcd, consider
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bound to support the Mit-f:s-
tofi‘-il rficasiii•e. The, Tories, in fact----i101e33 they ate

inclined to go the whole hog—need not flatter them-
selves with the prospect of a victory, or the prospect
of place. The minds of the Liberal Members are
made up, and they will, or they ought, to vote for the
Government Measure. It may be all very well for '
Mr. Sharman Crawford and other impracticable gentle-
men to vote that a nuisance is a nuisance, and that it
shall be immediately abated ; but it partakes more of
the character of a Statesman to reflect upon the dan-
gers attendant upon such a course, and to act, not as
his wishes would dictate, but. as circumstances will
permit him.—Morning Advertiser.
To-night the House of Lords will be invited to pro-
ceed to the consideratioi, in Committee, of the Irisl►
Municipal Bill. We suppose, from the intimations
given by the Conservative leaders on the second reading
of the Bill, and from time manner in which those inti-

[nations were teceived by their opponents, that there
can be little doubt as to the course which will be taken
by the House of Lords on this occasion. The Con-
servatives Nvill propose to put aside dr.! Municipal Bill
until the Tithe Bill shall be upon the table ; and the
Destructives, grumbling and growling according to their
nature, will acquiesce without a division in the post-
ponement. We'have already expressed, respectfully,.
our opinion of the policy adopted in this matter by
the Conservative Peers. We will not repeat the argu-
ments by which we have enforced it. If the friends
of good Government and social order shall be able,
by the tactics they have preferred, to force on their
reluctant adversaries the two measures in an amended
form—the Municipal Bill, guarded by provisions for
the adequate representation of the Protestant mino-
rity in the Town-councils, and the Tithe Bill, denuded

of the clauses in which it is proposed to embody the
new principle of legislative robbery—we shall readily
and joyfully acknowledge the wisdom of their proce-
dure. But if the Irish Municipal Bill is to be post-
poned, without any reasonable anticipation of such fu-
ture amendment of its provisions as should enable an
honest man to give it. his support, and if precedence
is to be extorted for the Irish Tithe Bill, without
any sufficient prospect of such amelioration of the
principle as will enable both Houses of Parliament
to assent to its enactment, we confess we are inclined
to say, with Lord Brougham, that the scrupulousness
of our friends is a farce. However, the Conservative
Peers have fought the battle of the Constitution hi-
therto with stout courage, with sound discretion, and
with admirable success. It is not fit that we should
doubt hastily the manliness, or the prudence of any
determination which they, upon consideration, hare
formed. We are content to abide the event. If the
fate of the Municipal Bill is to be regulated by the
fate of the Tithe Bill, we shall not have long to wait ;
for we suspect the Conservatives in the House of
Commons, after one division against the new-fangled
fraud, will %taste very little time upon the logic of
Lord Morpeth and the statute of Henry the Eighth.—
Morning Post.

MIDDLESEX QUARTER SESSION

Yesterday being the day to which the county business
had been adjourned from the meeting of the 20th April
last, there was an extremely large attendance of Magis-
trates ; there could have been hardly less than fifty present,
amongst whom we recognised—Geo. Byng, Esq., M.P.,
Col. Wood, M.P, ; Hughes Hughes, Esq., M.P. ; John
Wilks, Esq., M.P. ; Sir J. S. Lillie, Sir Charles Forbes,
Bart. ; Sir John Gibbon, Bart. ; Sir James Williams,
Sir Peter Laurie, Mr. Hall, Mr. Smith, Mr. Stock, Mr.
Halswell, &c., &c.

At twelve o'clock Mr. Sergeant ADAMS took the Chair.
The CHAIRMAN said before they proceeded to have the
report of the Committee read for borrowing money for en-
larging the County Lunatic Asylum, be thought it light to
submit certain resolutions adopted at a special vestry meet-
ing of the parish of St. George, Hanover-square, on the
motion of the Right Hon. G. R. Dawson, seconded by the
Earl of Darlington. The following are the resolutions :
" I. That the vestry having again had under considera-
tion the subject of the extension of the Lunatic Asylum at
Hanwell, lament that their former memorial to the Ma-
gistrates, objecting to the proposed extension, has proved
ineffectual.

" 2. That it is the opinion of this vestry that the sum of
20,0001. to be imposed upon the county of Middlesex for
the extension of the Lunatic Asylum at Harwell, is not
at present necessary.
" 3. That the above resolutions be transmitted to the
Clerk of the Peace, for the purpose of being submitted
to the Magistrates of the county of Middlesex at their
next meeting. _ _

" 4. That the above protest be communicated to the
parishes of St. James and St. Alarylebone."
PETER LAURIE, Esq., moved that those resolutions be
referred to the Committee.—Agreed to.

The Clerk then proceeded to read the Report. The
Committee had caused a case to be prepared and laid
before the Attorney-General and Mr. Manic, .who, in a
joint opinion, advised the raising of the required sum by
a mortgage or mortgages on the county rates, according,
to the 9th of Geo. IV. chap. 49.
On the motion of Mr. HALL the Report was received.
Captain Actmost then moved that the sum of 20,0001.,
or so much as might be required, be raised by a mort-
gage on the county rates, and referred to the Committee
for Accounts and General Purposes, to receive tenders for
lending the same in one or more sum or sums, and in
such proportions and at such times as might be required.
After some discussion Captain Acklom's resolution was
put and carried unanimously.
On reading the Report'of the Committee relative to the
Metropolis Improvement Bill, a lengthened debate arose
regarding the right of borough representatives to act as
Commissioners of Sewers.
Mr. STOCK said the Members for the Tower Hamlets
were not competent ; they were excluded by the Act.
Mr. H. HUGHES observed that the Bill was only read a
second time last night, and he apprehended the Session was
rather too far advanced for it to make any further progress
during the present sitting. The constitution of the Com-
mission was not one that he could accede to. •

The CHAIRMAN said it had been admitted upon all hands
that there was a great error in the framing of the Bill.
Mr. WILKS thought that if -such an error existed, the
Members for the Tower Hamlets, Dr. Lushington and Mr.
Clay, were perfectly competent either in out of Parliament
to take care of the interests of their constituents.
Sir PETER LAURIE would not wish it to go forth that
they were turning this Bill into ridicule.

Colonel WooD said he had had a communication with
Alderman Wood upon this subject, and was informed that
the intended improvements were to be effected by a tax
upon coals. Now, as the Government had given up the
tax upon coals, he thought it would be unkind on their part
to recommence 1 hat imposition. It was a bad way, he con-
sidered, to improve London to tax its coals.—(Hear.)
Mr. M'WILLIAM was proceeding to address the meeting
in a very sensible, but rather irrelevant strain, when lie was
called to order by Sir Peter Laurie.
The CHAIRMAN said there was not one word about coals
in the Bill.

Mr. M'WILLIAM had no intention of blowing the coals.
--(Laughter.) lie had found them already lighted.
The Report was then received.
Mr. HuGttEs HUGHES then rose to bring forward his
motion—" That in future every applicant to this Court for
the renewal or grant of a licence for public dancing, music,
&c., under the Act of the 25th Geo. 11., cap. 36, be required
to state in his petition the precise dimensions, in length,
breath, and height, of the room or rooms in which it is pro-
posed that such public entertainment shall take place ; and
that this resolution be immediately advertised in the usual
Morning and Evening Newspapers, and a copy sent by the
Depnty-Ckrl; of the Peace to every individual now holding
a licence from this Court., and otherwise made public, as that
officer may see fit." It appeared to him (Mr. Hughes) th
it was for the prevention of such places that power was given
to the Magistrates to regulate the granting of licences to
those whom they considered properly qualified. His object
was, that the Act should be properly carried into effect. He
never attempted to limit its fair and legitimate operation.
l le did not decide on its expediency or inexpediency ; but
whilst it existed, he resolved to carry it into effect. He was
prepared to enforce it to its utmost extent. Plans of pre-
mises sought to be licensed according to the taste or choice
of the applicant, would be produced from time to time to
that, Court, and in every case they would be told whether
the place applied for was for public dancing or public
amusements, and. from its description they would under-
stand that it was not a lOw pot-house to which they were
granting a licence. If from the length and breadth and
height they saw that it was not a contemptible place, then
they would know whether it ought to be licensei or not.
No doubt impressions would be made abroad that this
Court was attempting to limit the enjoyments of the poor,
but he deprecated every false impression of the kind. In
cases where licences had been already granted, and persons
had been induced to make an outlay to meet the wants and
requirements of the public in their neighbourhood, he
would be unwilling to withdraw them, but he certainly
would not repeat the grant. •
Sir JAMES WILLIAMS seconded the motion.
Sir CHARLES Foust* would give the motion his most

decided opposition: the worthy Member must see that
what he had in vieo was utterlyimpractleable, Suppose
for im!tantlei that the licriec applied for was for music and
dancing in a garden, they Might furhished.certainly will
the length and breadth, but how was it po,isiljle the^ could
get the height.—(Great laughter.) He hoped the by *iras
net far distant when every one, no matter how poor their
station in society, might enjoy their recreations unmolested,
when every person wishing fir those amusements, and in
compliance with the Act applied to that Court, would re-,
ceive its sanction without distinction, lie should wish to
see them enjoy themselves and entertain their neighbours,
as long as they did so peaceably and harmoniously, The
Worthy Baronet concluded by moving an amendment that
the words after the figures 36 be left out, and that the
words" Shall receive the same" be substituted.
• Sir JOHN SCOTT LILLIE seconded the amendment. He
could not see as they had, a free trade in spirits and beer
why they should not have the same in music and in dancing.
Mr. IIALswELL entirely approved of the original mo-
tion. Ile only opposed licenses when he conscientiously
believed they ought not to be granted. Ile hoped, how-
ever, that the Hon. Member would withdraw his motion,
with the understanding that it should go to a Committee.
It was a strange anomaly, that according to the present
regulations, there could be no masquerade or theatre, or
other place of public amusement upon one side of Oxford-
street, whilst-upon the other those things were all allowed.
Lieut. FITZGERALD imagined that the original motion
was contrary to the Act of Parliament. Licenses were
granted not to the house but to the man ; if the man left
the house the license did not remain to his successor.
The CHAIRMAN apprehended that the last speaker was
right and wrong, the license was granted to the man for
the house.
Mr. 11. HUGHES said he wanted to limit the grant of
licenses to proper persons, He hoped his Hon. Friend
would withdraw his amendment.
Sir C. FORBES—lndeed I shall do no such thing.
Mr. HUGHES—The Surrey Magistrates under this Act
licensed none but public theatres, yet the Middlesex Ma-
gistrates were asked by this amendment to license every
one who applied.—( Hear, hear, from Sir C. Forbes.)
Sir C. FORBES said the lion. Gentleman alluded to the
practice in the county of Surrey, where no licence was
granted for music and dancing. Now the Hon. Member
must have forgotten Vauxhall. What will he say when I
tell him that even in New South Wales no licence for mu-
sic and dancing was required. He stated this on the au-
thority of his relative, the Chief-Justice of New South
Wales, whose opinion on the subject was, that it caused
great inconvenience.
Sir PETER LAURIE said that Sir Charles' supported his
amendment with perfect consistency and good humour. As
to the latter part of his argument, he would reply that
when the population here was as thin as in New South
Wales, they might then think of granting licenses indiscri-
minately, but whilst they supplied New South Wales with
a population, they should be cautious to whom they gave
those privileges.
Colonel Woon, M.P., would just trespass upon them
for a very few moments. The Hon. Baronet had stated
that he would persist in his amendment. Now he hoped
that if the Hon. Mover would withdraw the original 'no-
tion, that he would consent to withdraw the amendment.
It would go forth to the public on the wings of the press,
that they wanted to restrict the pleasures of the poor.
Now in this dense population, it must be admitted there
were few amusements for the lower orders, and when they
could allow it, the Magistrates should be anxious to extend
the privileges as far as possible. -He would vote against
both the original motion and amendment.
Mr. M'WILLIAM was about to deliver some observation
upon the subject in debate, when he was called to order.
The CHAIRMAN—I think you are travelling farther than
you ought.
Mr. M‘WHAAANt—But if I am travelling right I should
be heard.

The CHAIRMAN (very abruptly)—No, you are travelling
wrong. Now, Sir John Gibbon.
Air. M' William sat down.
Sir J. GIBBON expressed his approbation of the original
motion.

Mr. HUGHES wished to alter it as regarded the height
of gardens.--(Laughter.)
Sir C. FORBES objected to any alteration.
Mr. SIMPSON moved an amendment, that the words " do
produce a certificate from a district surveyor of the sta-
bility of the place sought to be licensed," be introduced
after the figures 36, and do stand part of the original
motion.

After a few observations from Mr. BYNG, Sir J. S.
LILLIE, and others, the motion was carried by a majority
of 20 to 8.

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.

PORTSMOUTH, MAY 4.—His Majesty's ship Thunder,
Captain Owen, was paid off into ordinary this morning.
The Columbia steam-vessel arrived yesterday afternoon
from Woolwich with 100 tons of powder on board for the
use of the troops employed on the north coast of Spain. As
all his Majesty's vessels are ordered to discharge their
powder at Spithead, before coming into the harbour, the
entry of this vessel with such a quantity on board, and her
laying there for 20 hours, occasioned no little surprise and
alarm, and her departure this morning was viewed with great
satisfaction by all classes.
The Sparrow, ketch, Lieut. Lowney, went out of har-
bour on Sunday, and has been cruising daily to try her rig-
ging. The result is reported to be so unsatisfactory that
she is expected to come into harbour tomorrow to undergo
some alterations.
The examination of Gentlemen for the rank of Lieute-
nants is ordered to be conducted in future at the building
lately used as the Royal Naval College. The examination
will be as usual, in the presence of the Commander-in-
Chief, Rear-Admiral Superintendent, and Captain Has-
tings, R.N., of his Majesty's ship Excellent ; Mr. Starake,
Schoolmaster of the Excellent ; and Mr. Jeans, late second
Mathematical Assistant at the Royal Naval College, will
be the examiners.

The Benbow, 74, and Hazard, 16 guns, are expected to
becommissioned shortly. The former is reported to be for
the flag of the new Commander-in-Chief in_the East Indies

A London thief, of any notoriety, after having been
a short time in Sydney, would scorn to place himself, or his
assigned wife in so mean a vehicle as a gig ; nothing less than
a carriage and pair is commensurate with the rank VI felony
to which they have arisen in Australia. A better idea of the
effect of all this upon a stranger cannot be conveyed than
by the following anecdote of an, oflicer who visited New South
Wales on leave of absence from his regiment in India:—
'Having gone with a friend, in a gig, from Sydney tie the races
at Paramatta, they were passed on the road by many genteel
equipages, including close carriages, curricles, and landaus.
In answer to the stranger's questions, his companion informed
him that one brilliant .‘ set out" belonged to Sam Such-a-one,
who bad been a convict, but was now a flee man, and a man
of fortune ; that another was the property of a convict, who
kept a draper's shop in Sydney, but was assigned to his wife,
who had brought out with him a large sum of money; that a
third belonged to a ticket-of-leave man, who had obtained that
indulgence almost immediately after his arrival in the colony—
and so on. At the race-course, where " all the beauty and
fashion" of felony was assembled, the stranger's astonishment
was-complete at the number of instances in which he obtained
similar answers. After some gravi; reflections on so singular
an exhibition, be ironically remarked, that he thought he had
better return as soon as possible to India, for the purpose of
there committing some crime that should subject him to a
short sentence of transportation ; for it really seemed to him
that it was the best way of getting on in the world.—Mudie's
New South Wales.

In the high-Tory going parish of St. Mary-le-Wig-
ford, yesterday, a somewhat silly but sharp attack was made
upon the pockets of the parishioners in the shape of a Church-
rate. We are happy to say that the broad principle so openly
avowed at the parish church of St. Peter's at Arches, of clos-
incr the purse until the measures of Government should be
adopted, was again made the banner of a sturdy and successful
resistance ; the rate was refused by a majority of 34 to 11.—
Lincoln Gazette. . _ _

- -
The following melancholy intelligence has been re-
ceived from Tilsit, under the date of the 15th ult. :—The
great disaster which visited our district ( Meiderung, low marsh
ground), in the year 1829, has been repeated to-day, in a
dreadful manner. Though we have latterly had a considerable
fall of snow, and heard from Russia that there had been a still
heavier one there, we did not believe that the -eater in the
Memel in a short time, attain such an amazing
height as it did this morning. Yesterday the height of the
water .being 17' feet, the ice that covered the river began
to move ; in the course of the night the water rose to the
height of 21,1- feet, that is, only six inches lower than
1829. When we saw this mass of water, nearly a mile (four
and half miles) in breadth, fall suddenly several feet, this fore-
noon, we but too justly apprehended that great damage had
been done below, and, in fact, we learn this evening, that on
the left bank of the Russ, and the right of the Gilgc, five
breaches in the Dike have taken place, by which the whole
of the fertile Delta, called the Kaukelmer Meiderung, between
the two streams, containing perhaps a hundred villages, is
laid under water to such a depth that, of most of the build-
ings, only the roofs are to be seen above the waves. The
whole extent of the disaster is not yet known, but it. must be
so much the greater as it came almost unexpectedly, and the
water has carried with it very extensive masses of ice. The
causeway-dam, through the valley of the Memel, which was
only completed last autumn, has stood admirably, though the
water in some places nearly reached the summit.
This day, at noon precisely, a prisoner, who was
crossing the Pont- Royal in the custody of gend'armes, availing
himself of a moment of inattention on the part of his keepers,
rushed to the parapet, and plunged into the river. He imme-
diately disappeaied, and at five this afternoon his corpse bad
not been found.—Paris Paper of Saturday evening.
As a proof of-the extreme coldness of the season, it
may be recorded, that the first Swallow was observed in the
neighbourhood of Truro on the 25th instant, more than three
weeks after their usual time of appearing.