The Sun.
London, England, 1863-05-09 00:00:00

TURKISH DEBTS.

Mr. D. GRIFFITH asked the Under-Secretary of State
for Foreign Affairs whether any report had been made by
Lord Hobe? t and Mr. Forster as to the application of the
proceeds of the loan of 1862 to the :,xtinction of the Caimi
or paper money in Turkey ; and if sot whether there
would be any objection to lay it on His table of the house?
Mr. LAYARD said that Mr. Forster was not at Con-
stantinople at the time referred to. Lord Hobart, who
superinknded the operation, had made a report, and he
had no objection to place it on the table. He had the au-
thority of Lord Hobart for stating that the assertions
made in the house, and elsewhere, that any part of the loan
was applied to other purposes than the extinction of the
Caim6, money and floating debt were wholly unfounded.
-WITHDRAWAL OF THE PROPOSED TAX ON
CLUBS.

Mr. LYGON asked tha Chancellor of the Exchequer
what amount of revenue he estimated would be produced
by the tax on clubs ? (Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I am
not able to give any information to the hon. member on
that subject, beyond the very negative information which
I gave in reply to his question on a former occasion; but I
may save him some anxiety it I sttto that I intend to ao-
cede to the opinion expressed by the house, and to drop the
proposal to place a tax on clubs. (Laughter and cheers.)
REGI ,TRATION OF ASSURANCES (IRELAND)
BILL.
Mr. B. OSBO RN E asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland
whether the Government intended to proceed with this
bill on Monday ?

Sir R. PEEL—The bill stands for committee on Mon-
day, and it will be convenient that I should then state what
course the Government intend to adopt with regard to it.
(Laughter.)
CENSUS RETURNS IN IRELAND.
Capt. STACPOOLE asked the Chief Secretary for Ire-
land whether the census returns for Ireland, when pub-
lished by parishes, w uld show the religion of the inhabi-
tants, as was shown in the county returns ?
Sir R. PEEL said the census returns would show the re-
ligion of the inhabitants.
SOUTHERN ITALY.

On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. lIENNESSY, in moving for further papers re-
specting the state of Southern Italy in continuation of
those presented last year, said he believed they would show
that he was right in the statement which he had made be-
fore in the house, that British trade with Naples in 1E62
was less than in 1861, and that Mr. Consul Bonham WB.B
not justified in his assertion that that trade had continmd
to increase within the last four years.

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Mr. G. BENTINCK, who had also a motion on the
paper for further papers relative to the political condition
of Southern Italy, said his only object was to elicit the
truth, and to prevent discussion on the subject from being
stifled. He drew an unsatisfactory picture of the state o
the country, and said he convicted Sir James Hudson of
not giving the information which they ought to possess,
and of having sent reports which could not be relied on.
The hon. member then proceeded to comment on the fact
that Government had refused to lay upon the table

papers relating to the treatment of political prisoners.
The noble lord said he could not interfere, but the right
hon. gentleman's pamphlet was sent round, and its con-
tents made an impression on the minds of tho Italian
Government. In 1856 it was admitted in that house that
there were cases when it was the duty of England to in-
, terfere with foreign Governments, and that Naples was
one of them on the grounds of the bad Government and
the murder of prisoners in the gaols and their improper
treatment. Admitting the contents of the pamphlet to be
was ailennt. now
Theas lawlessnessformerl of the
true, the state of the prisons was worse now than then, and
and yet
theth e
rightdomiciliaryh on. gentleman ii wer eas
bad
Government was greater now than formerly, and -
merits by death were more numerous than under thPußnish.
bon regime. The Neapolitans naturally 'asked e _our ,
Mr. Gladstone, and how it was that, having where was
diferences with the noble lord at the head
ofrecncd hi
merit, and even a member of his c • the Govern.
silent about their sufferings, H almmt, that
he was so
right hon. gentleman, in the e, however, called on the
his voice and use his ; tiellie of hum
titans. 8 infilltrice in -mity, to raise
Mr. LAYARD said favour Qf the Neap.
both in and out of th he had frequent'
were as well dis e house, that hon. gentlemen
heard it sa id,
blishtd Italian libertysurprisedanxious
Government,to see este.
made that ni' findthat but he
ht every statement
by them • g hostile to Italian • that had been
with vociferous liberty had been received
It was all very cheers,
well to cry (Oh, oh, and hear, hear.)
y " Oh, 0h,,,
but he asserted that
was the fact, and he had
no doubt that it would go forth to
the public in the record
opposed to Italian of thcir speeches that they were
liberty, (Oh, oh, and hear, hear.) The
Italian Government
ings of the Italian , as it now exists, represents the feel-
the time hid now people—(:M, oh, and hear, hear)—and
passed for that house to have a debate on
the condition of Italy
any more than on the condition of
Prussia, France, Austria, or any other continental State,
that
or Italy had a right to interfere and ask fora report of
that state of Ireland, or any county in England, without its
being considered a great piece of impertinence. (Oh, oh,
and hear.) The loon, gentleman had failed M doing what
he said he should do, show that the state of our relations
with Italy was such as to warrant our interference. It
was but natural, when the great struggle was going
on in Italy, when authority was unsettled, inde-
pendence not recognised, and unity still to be fought for,
that this country should express anxiety respecting it, and
wish to know on which side the sympathies of the Govern-
ment tended; but now that Italian independence had bee*
gained and unity, with one unhappy exception, established,
anything like active co-operation was less requisite now
than during the progress of that liberal movement, which
had resulted so beneficially for the Italian people. There
were still many things, no doubt, existing in that country
which were to be deplored. (Hear.) There wire two rea-
sons why Naples should not appear to be similar to other
parts
of
Italy.
The
people
of
Naples
were demoralised--