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London, England, 1806-04-26 00:00:00

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...1.111,..S l:a t tte • lbotS 0 'll% , kVi a tale amount , plaint pt gAto be alend'el 0, , attic Every cause isill
thereof, anti] t' dessis:iona thereupori. 1 ' : Complaint removed. He had triltintelyeni'ef-eclintoth6'
Mr. TN:EEL, the -City RethenThistrieers-ftsi•esetited inquiry, ,and We found that not s'eUlv the situation of
aStatement of the Pregreas bf. the Works for the the Lieutenants, but also that of the higherOfficeess
Iraprovement of the 'Rim of London. • ' was entitled to the consideration of the Country. 1...1/1
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On the Motiou of Mr. WA ITBIt EA Ti, a further der these Circumstance; he well knees that the remedy
List of Witnesses was ordered to be sent to the ,would lose much of its value if it were not applied
Lords, cootaining the names of .James Buckley., With promptitude. He would now proceed to the
Hugh Goldicut, and James Chapman, in order tO classification o the clifferent rates of pay, according
their heingssunamoned to attend at the Trial. of Lord to the different ranks. The-case of the Lieutenants
MtAville. e - was not new to the House i some imprevementS
The Tobacco Duty Bill was, read a third time and i had already been made in theircohdition. But with
passed. respea to the superior Officers no alteration had •
The Wine Duty Bill Went through a 'CoMmittees been made for above a century, With the exception
The Report to be received on Monday. , ' - . of raising the pay of c ern:slanders of Ships of lower
INIPEACHNIENT OF LORD MELVILLE. ' ', Classes to the seine rate with the higher. When he
./Vt. Secretary FOX; when
.he leid on a former stated this fad to the House, it was sufficient of itself
day Moved that the ;order tbr the second reading of to establish the necessity of the advance be meant to
the Bill for the Repeal of the Additional Force Mt-} propose. A partial increase of pay ,bad taken.plaee
be deterred till Monday, had not in his recollection last year to a class of Officers, who; he acknow-
that ore Tuesday a business was to come on of as . leged, had strong claims, the Masters and Surgeons.
great Parliamentary importance as any the Executive He did not dispute the right of these Officers to this
Government could have to be sanaioned by the House, j increase; but extending it to them alone, had the
he meant thexlmpeachment of Lord Melville, Which 1 effea of destroying the proportion between theit
the House had determined to attend in a body. If iI. pay and that of their superior Officers, and was a
the House were to sit in . protraaed discussion to a
,principal motive with the Lieutenants to urge this ,
late hour on Monday night, it was impossible there desire for the increase alluded .to in the Petia•
could lie thee: full attendance at helfspast ten on tion. He was certain, that a relief to any selec,
Tuesday; the hour at which the House should pro- tion of classes could not be attended with the bene-
sceed to Wesuisinater, that the dignity of the House, ficial of e& proposed. It was acknowledged by the -
the importaece of the occasion, and the respea due superior Officers, that a considerable increase of pay
to the Speaker required. After. Tuesday, the first to the Warrant. and Petty. Officers was necessary for
day of the Impeachment, the same full attendance the good of the service. Some were of opinion that
on that business would not be so necessary. lie ito the Seamen no increase wastnecessare'; but on col-
would, therefore, - propose Wednesday or Thursday leaing the opinions at large of the ito experienced -
for the second reading of the Bill for the Repeal of persons, and upon the best consideration be-could
the-Mditional Force Aa.. ' • give, he thought kir:expedient to grant the lecrease
2.1 il. CA.A' N I .VG did not objea to the Motion ; to Warrant and Petty Officers, without a proportionate
tits: Lay _low to
but he hoped 11 i be fixed for the second increase to the Seamen. .The pay of the Seamen had,
. reading of the Bill alluded to would be adhered to it was true, . been increased in 1797,; but even
definitively— Without entering into the reasons i. since that time li rise had taken place in the price
which 'were given for deferring the proceedincr be- of-the necessaries of life, add a decrease in the value
yood Mondayeevery one must allow that this bust- j .of moneys which required an additional' increase at
ness was also of the most important nature. Va- . , the present moment. But what rendered this increase •
rim; eeports and considerations had gone abroad on partictilarly jtist end necessary:was, the vast advance
the subjeet, embracing the whole Military Systein, • that had taken place hethe wages of Seamen ,in the
which it was extrernely important to settle and ' set ;Merchant Service. To make an advapce in the -Navy
at rest. as soon as possible.—He recommended Wed- bearing any proportion to, that, was impossible. •
neaday for the second reading, as the nearest day of But when they recollected that the advance in 1797
the two proposed. . . • was general to *Men:Warrant, and Petty Officers,
' Mr. Secretary FOX acknowledged the importance, in proportion; if au advance of five shillings and :''c-
of the Bill • but the force of the grounds for putting I pence a month were given now to the'Warraut and
it off must be felt by every one,---the indisposition i Pettyofficers, without any regard to, the Seamen, •
of his Hon. Friend who originated
.the Bill in the though it may be obviously los: the good of the scr-
first instance, am; the inaptitude of the business to vice, for the premotion.of order and diseipline, -and
come on on 'Tuesday in the present. He agreed to en incitement togood behaviour in the inferior classes,
fix the • second reading for Wednesday ; though he yet, When a refeeence to what wasalone in 1797 was
could reckon with more certainty on the recovery of so direct, it was to be apprehended that such a par-
, his Right Hon. Friend on Thursday.-=The seceed . tial measure would excite discontents in a great pro- .
reading was fixed for Wednesday. • portion of the Fleet. He did not think that apiire-'.
, RE-CR:W*IINC; FOR TERM OF YEARS. hensiun ought to be carried so far, if it:was ground-
Lord CASTLER EAGH moved, that there be laid be- , ed on any unwarrantable expeaation ; but when
fore the House an Account of the gross number of .he compared the apprehensions with the ground
men that had volunteered from the Militia into the on which they stood, with the consideration that.the
Line, in the year 1805, in: pursuance of .the Aft of i men Were taken from, a service of gicater cinblument,
'45 Geoelll. together with an account of the effec- r andaleprived of every prospeZl, of•-•the advancement . .
tive strength of the Militia-at thaCtime. .' . that Service afforded, the justice ef.the title must be
The SEORET..-IRY at WAR said, the volunteer a- universally acknowledged. When irwas considered
Ina- from .the *Militia !Or- general service-had first that most of these men were taken out of the Navy .
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taken place in I 79e. The term of .enlistment was at the commencement of the- late long War, that 4
. for five year's, during the. War. Thirty-six dune- after the interval of a short and disturbed Peace,
sand men bad entered, and 'he bad never heard of which had not allowed .us to come to a peace
any ill consequence.' establishment, we were again, engaged in _an ex-
Lord- CASTLEREAGH never had stated that the tensive War, which-still continued, most of thetit
measure of enli.stment for term, of years was-wholly had by this time passed thirteen years in the service,
new, nor that it was inconsiitent with the 'make and were still to serve on : - when. a regard was
of the Coontvy. But he did assert, that it had never had to the nature of the service they were upon, and
- been 'adopted without a concurrent engagement, for •the hat dships they endured day after day, week after
the duration of the War ; and that it had never been, week, and month after month, without variety to
a right of the soldier to claim his discharge in time. i animate, without enterprize to enliven, or success to
•of War. In 1799, the enlistment from the Militia i support them, disappointed in the hope of engaging
had been. for five, years, or during the War, with a an enemy, whose study was -to_avoid and elude them;
limitation of the service to Europe. In 1 see the . when all these were considered, every one would' ,
enlistment; bad been for service unlimited in time . see the propriety Of comforting them in their hard
and place, and the number that had offered was duties with substantial proofs. of the high sense the
greater in proportion than at the former period. The Country entertained of their merits. Frbm these
fa& itself was of great importance ; the inferences considerations,' after inquiring minutely into the case,
would be better discussed on a future occasion. he had felt-it his duty to recommend to his Majesty
The Account was ordered, with a similar one for and to propose•to the House, a '.erY general increase
the year 1799. of pay to a very considerable amount. At the same
FAMILY OF LORD NELSON. time that the increase was to be general, it would be
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Lord H. PETTY; in consequence of someinforrna- marked with a'suitable gradation. To landmen he
lity, felt himself obliged to postpone, for a few days,• proposed to give no addition : they entered vtlion-
the Motion of which he had given notice, relative tarily ; they had the prospe& of advancement before
to the proviSion for the Fatuity of the late Lord Vis- them ; they May - become able :seamen and petty
count Nelson, which he would bring forward,, how- officers ; and this prospea was sufficient encourage-
ever,-at an early opportunity. meat to them. To Ordinary Seamen he proposef an
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• addition of 6d. a-week : and to Able Seamen i s.—
'INCREASE OF PAY TO THE NAVY.
-: To Petty Officers. as a reward for their services, as
On the Motion of Lord HOWICK, the House went
an -eecouragement. to ood, behaviour, and for the
into a ComMittee of Supply, to which the Estimates,
t - better support of order and discipline, he proposed
of the Expellee of the increase of Pay to the :Navy, i
'to giye anincrease of 53. per month, which was by
in pursuance of an Order of His Majesty in Council,
many thought too small: slt was :intended
.'alses to
were referred.—Mr. Creevy in the Chair.
. Increase: the number of Petty Officers,- by including •
Lord HOWICKpursuance rose, in pursnce of his ne-
the captain of the forecastle, the captains of the
lice, to submit to the Committee a preposition,
tops, and the, captain, of the waste, and to allow
which he was sure-would not meet any opposition ;
these the same rate as aQuarter-master's Mate. To
fin' he, was satisfied that every•otie wotild desire, as
Warrant Officers he proposed to give an-increase of
far as it may with propriety be done, to contribute
6s. a month which also many wished to extend far-
to the comforts of men standing' so high in every.
ther ; but when it was considered that they were
point of view, whose claims to, the gratitude of the
attached to their ship's in peace as well as in war,
Country must be deeply impressed on every mind.
and had same allowances,. this extension did net
If any doubt existed, it must be only as to the ex-.
seeth .necessary. A distinClion would be made be-
pediency.of making any alteration in the present sys-
tem, settled as it was. But he was convineed, that tweet' 6s. a
, those in service and those in ordinary ;
when he should have stated the grounds of the al teraa monta
ters and bein the addition to the former. To
SurgeonsMas-
no increase was to be given, their
tion' he meant to propose, every one would feel the
late advance' being deemed sufficient. To Chaplains
force of them, and acknoWledge the justice He was
no addition. of pay, but it was proposed to associate
certainly extremely averse to imposing any additional
burthens on the Country, for a burthen.this must with their offire that of school-master, to which 201.
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a-year was to be annexed. Lieutenants had not had
be called ; but when the propriety and. jtetice
of if should be established, the merits of those who an advance since the time of Queen Anne, when it
was fixed at as. a-day ;it was propoSed now to give
were the objects of.it Would cause it to be submitted
'to with cheerfulness.' He had been but a short tilos them an advance of is. a-day, which was rather too
lit'le than too much. He Was confident than
in,the officehe had the honour to hotd, when state-
meats cattle to him from various quarters of the iiii• - the case of Captains of inferior rates seas examined
they. d
to would: be found no less worthy of ccausideration.
dequacy of the pay of the Officers of different ranks
in the Navy. At length he was'infortned that the ' He p ropose give, to all Captains above 6th rates
► 3i, a-day additional ; above 4th rates, 4s. which
general - feeling had gone so far, that Petitions vaere
!eft at different ports for signatures to be transmitted would be accompanied with a better chance of prize
him, for the purpose of being presented to-the
t _ money. To Rear-Admirals he proposed granting
to
House of Coinmons.•On exar 4 was reasonable i hang these Petitions, an advance of 3s. 6d. a-day
thes to Vice-Admirals ss.
he foutileothing,in themrtattelifiinable ; to Admirals 75. ; and to Admiral of the Fleet
but he considered that moili'btedat:rying the wishes
a
Vat ds wlos. The aggregate of the estimated charges under
these various heads f 285,3061 a-year. For the,
;of the Petitioners into cited', -eetionable, and he
reinainder of the present year, being eight months,
discouraged it accordingly. Ipivin discouraging that
mode of prosecuting- their objet, he thou*ebt it his
5 - from the tst May, only 193,0001. Would be necessa-
I ',rations were to be granted
duty to itipiire into the fads alledged ; for in a sec- i ry.' Some further cou,sic.. ,
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sise that had stich claims on the Public, every corn- 1 to meritorious servants labouring under age and ilia.-