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London, England, 1863-07-23 00:00:00

FISHERIES (IRELAND) BILL.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Lord CRAN WORTH moved that it be read a third time
that day three months.

[LEFT SITTING.]

HOUSE Oi7 COMMONS—This DaY.
The SPEAKER took the c.
hair at twenty-five minutes past
,welve.

DENMARK AND G:fltAllislY.
Mr. S. FITZGErt,ALD said he IT unwilling the
session to come to a close without
some endeavouringto obtain from her Majesty's Governmentent condition of
ex-
planation with refer: to the present
matters between the German Confederation and the King-
dom of Denmark. The Consolidated Fund (Appropriation)
Bill Bill made ample provision diplomaticfortathnet
places serviceinvolved, Frank
y' country, and, amongst important
a principal place. He
fort and Copenhagen
regretted that while the friendly relations between other
Powers appeared to be only strengthened, those between
the Germanic Confederation and the Government appeared
to be embittered. He considered that the federal occupa-
tion of Holstein would be most menacing to Europe, if
resisted it. He thought it would be important
Denmark
what steps her Majesty's Government would take
co know
under the circumstances.
Lord PALMERSTON said this was one of the most
complicated subjects that ever engaged the attention of
statesmen in Europe. He should not enter into details of
what was called the Schleswig-Holstein affair, which was
involved in the utmost obscurity of former times. The
German advocates referred back to 1640 as the ground on
which they maintained strict relations between Schleswig
and Holstein than those admitted by Denmark or any
other Powers. He entirely agreed with the hon. gentleman
(Mr. Fitzgerald) that it was a matter of British policy to
maintain the independence and integrity of the Danish
monarchy. It was not a large one, but it had its rights as
well as larger States, and its geographical position rendered
it the more important to this country that these rights
should be secured. The position the Government had always
held was, that Holstein was a member of the German Con-
federation,
and that that Confederation had a control over
the affairs of Holstein as it had over other members of the
Germanic Confederation, and that any arrangement made
by the King of Denmark, opposed to this fundamental rule,
was not justifiable. But they held that, with regard to
Schleswig, the German Confederation had no control, and
the Germanic Confederation had no more right to prescribe
rules for it than Spain, Portugal, England, Russia, or any
other separate and independent State. They hell that
Schleswig was a matter of European arrangement. But still
there were many Germans there, and the Government hell
that the German Confederation had a right to represent, if

' such a case existed, that the German inhabitants were not
placed upon an equal footing with the subjects of Denmark.
Such matters ought not, however, under any circumstances,
to justify an appeal to arms. (Hear, hear) As to Holstein,
the last stage only was that which was worthy of considera-
tion, and that arose out of the patent issued by the King of
Denmark in March last. He did not know what step the
German Confederation intended to take on the matter but
he remembered that an anecdote of Talleyrand, who when
he desired that the Germanic Confederation should not take
a certain step which he considered might be injurious to
France, recommended them not to proceed with inconside-
rate haste. Now precipitation was not a characteristic of
the Germanic Confederation, but he was sure that their
good sense would prevent them from taking a step which
would be damaging to the peace of Europe, for if a
war broke out there, it must extend further, and in-
volve many other states in its disastrous consequences.
As to the policy and course of the Government as to these
disputes, he might say that ti,e Government were desirous
that the rights of Denmark should be maintained, and
that if any attempt were made to overthrow those rights
they should be resisted. He trusted, ho *ever,
that these matters would be subject for negotiation
and not for war. Every effort should be made by
her Majesty's Government to induce the parties to include
all disputes within the limits of diplomatic intercourse.
(Hear, hear.) He had no doubt those efforts would be suc-
ce,sful, and he had no apprehensions of either immediate or
remote danger. (Cheers.)
THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA.—

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on this country. The Government always rzsistpe
claims, but that was the most serious part of the matter,
and he contended that in such cases every man ought
to constitute himself a detective policeman in order
that these proceedings might be frowned down. By
every feeling of reciprocity towards the American people
we ought to strive to put down these illegal practices. He
thought these was every claim upon the Government to
prevent these armed vessels from leaving thesa shores. On
This point he constantly saw fallacies running through the
speeches of Earl Russell and the Solicitor-General, for they
constantly confound two things, the evidence necessary to
detain a vessel, and the evidence necessary toconvict. In one
case a Confederate vessel went out with a pic-nic party;
that was a most deceptive act and the Government might
have prevented it by putting a Custom-house officer on
board, He hoped that by no technical evasion another
vessel for Confederate purposes would be allowed to escape
from these shores. The terrors of the civil war in Ame-
rica were frightful, but he hoped they would not be ex-
tended by any connection with it on our part. All he asked
for was neutrality. (Cheers.) Whatever might be the

issne of this dreadful war, let England keep clear of it.
His voice would be mute, and what he asked was that Eng-
land should be silent and sorrowful until this dreadful civil
war was over.

Mr. LAIRD denied that the Alabama went out of
Liverpool in an improper way.
Mr. COBDEN said he quoted Lord Russell.
Mr. LAIRD said he was not responsible for what Lord
Russell said. She went out of dock in the broad daylight.
Mr. COBDEN—Did she take a clearancs ?

Mr. LAIRD—She did not require a clearance.

Lord J. MANNERS complained of the conduct of the
Foreign Office in excluding Turkey from the proposed con-
ference to whom is to be referred the cession of the lonian.
Islands to Greece. He should like to know whether Turkey
had made any demand to be admitted to the Conference.
fie considered that the cession of the lonian Islands was
the most impolitic, uncalled for, prejudicial Act ever com-
mitted.

Mr. C. BENTINCK inquired whether the opinion of
the Conference would be taken before the meeting of the
lonian Parliament ?

Lord PALMERSTON said he had listened with great
attention to the hon. gentleman (Mr. Cobden), but it
appeared to him that he and her Majesty's Government,
and he thought the country at large, started on the consi-
deration of the matter from a different point. He (the
noble lord) looked upon the two parties as in arms against
each other, and as such, belligerents, and therefore entitled
to all the rights and privileges of belligerents. That which
was running in the head of the hon. gentleman, and which
guided his reasoning, as well as his feeling, was that the
Union was in legal existence, that there were not two belli-
gerents, but a legitimate Government, and a rebellion
against that Government. Now, what was the duty of a
neutral with regard to two belligerents ? The American
Government had laid it down for themselves, for they had
laid it down that a neutral might supply a belligerent with
ships, arms, ammunition, or anything else, although they
might be important ingredients in naval and military
operations. The hon. gentleman complained that her
Majesty's Government had not taken proper steps in
this matter, but had rested upon information derived
from the American Minister. He could assure the hon. gen-
tleman that that was not the case, and he believed that the
hon. gentleman and the Federal Government were not en-

tided to say that the Government had omitted to do anything
by law they could do in reference to this matter. At the same
time he thought this country ought to enforce its law in these
matters as stringently as possible. With regard to the ques-
tion of the noble lord (Lord j.lvlanners)he said the Sultan was
not an acceding party to the protectorate. A treaty would be
signed by the Powers before the meeting of the lonian
Pax liament.

CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)
BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
AUGMENTATION OF BENEFICES BILL.

This bill, with some modifications, passed through com-
mittee.

The Rum Duty, the Clergyman (Colonies), the Super-
annuation (Union Officers), and the Alterations in Judges
Circuits Bills passed.through committee.
The Colonial Acts Confirmation Bill was read a third

time and passed.
The sitting was then suspended.
At six o'clock the house resumed, and was
(LEFT SITTING.)

Proposed Street Improvements in the City.

A somewhat ambitious project has been submitted to the
Corporation of London by Mr. Greenhill, the engineer,
which, if carried into effect, would produce as great a
change as can well be conceived in the sireets, levels, and
architecture of all the leading thorough fares in the westernpart of the city. W i
When we state that it proposes to obviate
the necessity for a viaduct over Ludgate-hill, to make the
hill itself almost level, to roll the two intended bridges at
Blackiriars into one, to carry an underground railway
along the line of New Bridge-street and Farringdon-
street, and to raise Holborn valley nearly to the level of
Newgate-street, probably enough will have been said to en-
title the scheme to consideration at least, if it were only for
its novelty, and still more for its daring, inasmuch as
it implies the destruction o f the whole of the existing
houses on each side of Farringdon and Bridge street, and
probablyv,:th theoergrresepaetenrapinargt
changesof those otnntehite phaerpside of Ludgate-
roach to Black-
friars-bridge from the Surrey side. A street from Black-
friars to the Mansion-house, by way of St. Paul's Cathedral,
18 also part of the plan. At the outset the scheme, what-
ever its merits, has to contend with the grave objection that
it comes before the public too late in the day, seeing that
the London, Chatham, and Dover Railway Company for
some months past have been vigorously engaged in the con-
struction of their viaduct across the Thames, and that an
Act of Parliament has been passed enabling the Corporation
of London to build their bridge at Blackfriars from a design
which they finally settled after more than a year's detention
Mr. Greenhill meets this objection by suggesting that, inas-
much as a temporary bridge will be required for the accom-
modation of the traffic while the new bridge at Blackfriars
is being constructed by the Corporation, advantage might
be taken with that view of the works now in progress for
the erection the railway bridge.

LORD CLYD.7.—CHATHAM, July 22.—Field-Mar-
shal Lord Clyde ha,s passed a very comfortable night, and
it is considered by his medical attendants that a great im-
provement in his condition has taken place.

SHOCKING WRECK PF A PILGRIM SHIP WITH
400 LIVES.—It is feared that a most calamitous
shipwreck has happened in the vicinityof Aden by the loss
of the ship Boyne, with 400
piigrizna on board. The ad-
vices received at Lloyd's state that the Boyne left Bombay
about a month since (prior to June 25) with about 435 pil-
grims, bound to Suddal, and when near loodedith the ship
is reported to ha"e struck on a rock, tum; remained east
The pilgrims were landed on an adjacent island, and soon
afterwards the vessel was got off, leaking badly; but the
passengers, in spite of the warning of the nacodaf immedi-
ately re-embarked, and the ship was got under weigh, but.
the water gained so rapidly on them that they were com-
pelled to abandon the vessel, and in the rush to escape
nearly 400 of the pilgrims are said to have been drowned iti
the wreck.

MELANCHOLY OCCURRENCE OFF BLACKWALL.—
On Tuesday a sad accident took place off Blackwell,
which was witnessed by a large number of persons assem-
bled on Blackwell Pier. The ship Suffolk, one of Messrs.
Wigram's fine fleet of Australian vessels, was being hauled
out of the East India Dock, and on getting into the river,
the crew crowded to the port side of the ship in order to give
the usual parting cheer to their friends who were on the pier.
They had given several deafening shouts when the boat-
swain's mate, a fine young man, who had his wife and child
on board, in some way missed his hold and fell overboard.
Unfortunately, in falling, his head came in contact with the
port chains, and ho immediately disappeared under the
water. The crew made a gallant effort to save the poor
fellow, but in vain, and it is thought that the body was
carried away by the tide. The anguish of the poor wife,
who intended to accompany the ship to Gravesend, on wit-
nessing this sad scene, may possibly be imagined,