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London, England, 1837-04-29 00:00:00

it a,
asm- He had happened to serve the office in 1829, and
Was not usual to appoint one who had been sheriff; the third
ley =Nlr. Brabazon, a very young man, and he applied to be
y 'eft because he considered himself unfit on account of his
Muth. Thus it appeared that the Lord-Lieutenant was
blamed
dad because the first gentleman declined service, the second
of ,served before, and the third was unfit to serve on account
Loa youth.--( Hear, hear.) He asked, was property grow-
hegeniore insecure in Ireland? It was rather remarkable that
eatpgst all the complaints in which they,abounded any inti-
s:l_tan
_ion of this kind was studiously avoided_( Hear, hear)—
nattttootthioeuraftoroemtiosssiounp,ply what was doubtlessly e. casual and un-
he would trouble the. I-louse with the
the
of a few results taken from 42ne official items of
tl number of offences and outrages of all kinds reported to
thelnenteirstabulary in the -years 1836 and 1837. In the five
teports up to February in the last 'year the number of outrages
the ed was 1,794; during. the five months up to February in
fitti),..iiiprr,esbecuatry)Lartutliciie intrnber of offences so reported was 765
this at the vermoment when the Noble
and proW" Preellti%ning to the country that the security for life
selves',Perty
Ireland was diminishing, and busying them-
Jtet ofl4,.u!P.lving up their resolutions and petitions on the sub-
this .turJir alarms and grievances. These, facts spoke vo-
'Mid blew to atoms petitions and resolutions got up in
gisy.44.lP-1111er.—(Hear.) The returns of outrages for 1830-31
It „. (6,108 cases; whilst those for 1836-7 were only 9,628.
t•ar
ezt•l.ould thus appear that a comparison between the present
es and those times of " glorious and immortal memory"—
'such)—before the Catholic Emancipation Act was granted,
gave a clear diminution of no less than 7,000 on the latter pe-
tfied•---(Cries of " Hear, hear.") With respect to the
;1401,11.ers of these resolutions, he perfectly agreed with his
was Friend bear him that a great deal of allowance
pots fairlY to be made for men who, finding their
sor_,Y lelPeriority impaired by the Catholic relief mea
oxer and finding themselves deprived in some moasure of that
slellBiYe Possession of offices to which they had so long consi-
4.siti;tthernselves entitled, were induced to make complaints
the
management of affairs under which they expo-
ttal:ced these reverses. But when he found such ground-
and extravagant statements put forward as those con-
itb nett, in these resolutions—when he read it gravely stated
at toe Protestants of Ireland were labouring under the
ercest
persecution" that was the term used—the fiercest
doe,.7,e;eut,,ion ever levelled at any set of men—that they were
yo,ls`t'ett of all their rights and privileges as subjects, he
paths.: allowed to say that such statements excited no sym-
ot only in his breast, but he hardly thought that they
4auld meet with much from any considerable body of men in
Ject "untrY• He could not help calling to mind on this sub-
es, atill,.aneedote related of Charles IL, who, conversing.. one
der with •
-11 eminent Prelate, and also a great wit of those
Wuich did not render him the less eligible as his Ma-
the Yt's adviser in matters of religion—( A laug)—inquired of
ter „eec.ts of the various religious sects in the world ; and af-
vi.,,4sieg several in review, as the Presbyterians, the Cal-
do and so forth, asked of the Armenians, " And what
sit-eY hold?" To which the Bishop (Morley) replied,.
titinetieo'rtah.eY bold all the best bishoprics and deaneries in the
a A laugh.) Now, this was the case of the Pro-
soe•st-ertts- Of Ireland, and he was quite willing that it should be
,of offi"o could, if he chose, go into the details of the number.
woObie a filled up by the present Government, from which it
th4t I,'aPpear that what he asserted generally was quite true,
tlye rotestants had been appointed instead of Catholics at
cas•sslte of two or three to one. This being the state of the
the 'ee Said that the Protestants of Ireland had no ground for
th erusation comprised in the petition and resolutions before
the If those who framed them were sincerely persuaded of
of.tiet the opinions which they conveyed, and of the justness
of •; le charges which they comprised, why, then, in the name
1p 4,,ltstic,ey and of that constitution which they pretended to re-
( Re..." teeY ought not to have stopped where they had done.—.
-es,";'l_!ear, hear.) These charges were either char es of a
mere
serious and important character, deeply impeaching the
oter of one of the highest officers of the State, or they
nothing, g or rather, as he (the Marquis of Lansdowne)
("rield be inclined to say, something worse than nothing.—
trial ear, hear, hear.) Let them put Lord Mulgrave on his
God for defeating the ends of justice, and then he would say,
Ilir send him a good deliverance, which he was sure he would
e---( Warm and general cheering.)
bee Duke of WELLINGTON- said that it had always
n his anxious wish to see the Protestants of Ireland upon
ittued best Possible terms with the Governinent of this country,
andthe Government giving them in return that fair protection
no; ?uPPort to which they were entitled. It was his firm
to-I,ell that the safety and honour of the country, and the
ilpaelo_t,e,nanee of the union between the two countries depended
tot, 'Re good understanding between the Government of the
teconrtistyy andof the Protestants of Ireland. In like manner the
penile, the property and persons of the Protestants de-
Yeroopen there being a good understanding with the Go-
thio'hlcet, and things could not go on well until this state of
anti Was returned to. That opinion he had always held,
to •le should be sorry to say one word which should tend
tiqilterease any existing irritation between those two par-
ley Bear hear.) The Protestants of Ireland were not
tir than two millions in number ; they were, generally
tsietating, the best educated and the best conducted part of
~, cornmunity, and they possessed about nine-tenths of the
.11) ole property of the country. He must say that he thought
e Protestants of Ireland, looking at the events of the last
4weo years, had good grounds for apprehending iondco of their, property, as well as the destructi of the
Church to which they belonged, and the substitution of
so, .
teglething like the voluntary system in its stead.--( Hear,
to
He would ask the Noble Viscount, who had referred
tr_l-lavraerie.us periods of our history, to look at the times of
to neon, and see whether the Protestants had not grounds
stat,P.l.nd that thiv.s, were now progressing towards the
dee;
zwn. ch they reachcci at that per.., •
leenr.ption of power was being exercised. over-ti;eaeFil=
tl, aS those days. After referring to the conduct of
wi-ii"'erd. Lieutenant in liberating prisoners from the gaols
po'"ont making any inquiry of the Magistrates or Judges alio,
it. 'alem there, the Noble Duke proceeded to observe
4t the Protestants of Ireland had a very deep personal
Interest in the administration of the law, on account of the
104" .ttY which they posseissed, and that they had A right to
Lor,:eto such proceedings as those he referred to by the
th„' Lieutenant with the greatest scrutiny, and that
le -° were no other ground of charge against his Exce -
44,tecY than this, it would be sufficient to justify their remon-
-I:lethei There Avis another consideration also connectedbo
matter.
Several of the prisoners liberated had been
4:ll.victed flony • and if he knew anything of the subject,
diedtheh7hev that pardons without proper documents to certifyto
inot exempt from certain pains and forfeitures
the not
was previously amenable. The wholeoofol
irk Pthis
roceeding, therefore, appeared to him to be extremely
uponmy
shegear, and likely to produce the most pernicious e
to ,111, inds of the Protestants of Ireland. The Noble V!os-_
clutio„-- and the Noble Marquis opposite 'said that the con
oot:ec.,,:of the Catholic Emancipation Act should be carried.as
never 'et he (the Duke of Wellington) thought that it wro_
Pert intended as a consequence of that measure that the p
He
thojier privilege of any individual should be invaded.
to ;beet it fit that Roman Catholics should be admissibled
Pissed Corporations of Ireland ; with this view he had
gc-actl the Catholic Emancipation. Act, and he only re-
openetted that those Corporations had not acted so often
amen that Act as ho had hoped, by admitting Catholics
to "tlgat their bodies. But it was a very different thing
desire adit Roman Catholics to the old Corporations, and to
ea,, those Corporations and erect new ones in theiraod
', Making over the whole of their property entirely
Netusively to otherparties in the State.—(Cheers.) The
'pa Marquis had read to the House a statement of the com-
thie'-e number of offences reported in different years since
Passing of the Catholic Emancipation Act, but he (the
e of Wellington) should like to know, with a view fairly
of 4t.preeiate the value of those returns, what number of clases
thences were included in each ,• he was inclined to believe
in s7etee number of classes of offences had not been included
•ge hater as the former years.--(" More, more," from Vis-
th,u,et 14elbourne and the Marquis of Lansdowne.) However
alight be, he held in his hand a document which he thought
Qteatvagreat light upon this point. It was the charge to the
sprig JerY, made by Baron Foster at Tipperary, at the last
th`f.-111 Assizes. The Noble Duke then read the extract from
in-theearge in question, which alluded to the increase of crime
the
et
eeelltY. There was another topic to which he woul.d ca
of
orn,eettention of their Lordships—he meant the selectioontod
taN and Particularly of judicial officers—officers connected
the prosecution of offenders, and with the administration
of Prosecution from the General or National Association.—( Hear.)
whi'letLksaociation was pledged to the overthrow of the laws
tithes " had for their object the security of the property in
Parliament,
Hear.) In that House, and in the other Hotise o
titament, they had agreed to put down Orange Societies.
teaVie,.°"•) Before they put down those Societies, the sys-
ysi;' ex Government was to make no selection of men for office
• Were connected with Orange Societies. If he recollected
correctly,eected the High Sheriffs were set aside, and others coiti:
etil with the Government of the country, and most par i
• tbea; Y with the administration of ustice and the execution of_
wit. law, because they were Orangemen; and nobody . com
favallted of gentlemen done. Was this rule to be set aside in
N1;111..01' who pledged themselves to resist the ad-
,istrasioo
of the law regarding the property of the country,
of Particularly a description of property belonging to a set
seePei?ons which every rule of honesty, and everything he
!_y bound them to protect as far as was in their power.this
ss-nbie eeers.) He would not trouble the House further. on this
he' He hoped that the result of this discussion would
tti that the conduct of his Majesty's Government in future,
411421 I
t become so changed towards the Protestants of l-lg,e-
sop" aa to give them the full protection of their power and Cheers.)
Marquis.underesto of WESTMEATH wished it to be distinctly
of 'A, as the opinion of the general body of the people
e,lreland, it never entered into the minds of the people of
t...tand to ask for Corporate Reform. It was entirely the
was cnile
not his Majesty's Ministers, for their own purposes, and
Ckot required in that country, and was only calculated to
al) up a state of disturbance, and not to produce any remedy
(Hear ItY of the grievances that affected and afflicted Ireland.—
nattooolear.) It reminded him of the story of the friend of
of , the needy knife-grinder.—( A laugh.) The feelings
C0',.1, friend of humanity were chiefly excited by a hole in
Pence ?r a nether garment, but when he was asked for six-
lands 'le gave a stone. Let them give the people of Ire-
bee,lnPloYment, and not a Municipal Reform Bill. It %V
as
Share
_t,9eY wanted. He would not shrink from bearing his
lutd the responsibility of pressing this petition. He
that B.lgened the petition because he was perfectly satisfied
scour!: Protestants of Ireland were in a state of great in-
tents
_Y, as to life and property.—(Hear.) The Proteg-
es ti ut„, Ireland were not n6w in as good a condition
Bill Korean Catholics were in before the Emancipation
stain
iinjra.ssed. Tho Noble Marquis referred to the fact of cer-
'Boners having been discharged from the gaol of Mul-
-64r while the gaoler was in a state of transition.--( Laughter