The Sun.
London, England, 1808-03-15 00:00:00

SIVEMSH TREATY.

'Lord MULORAVE rose to re-state and more ftilly,
explain the-answer Which he gave to a Noble Lord
`(Grey) on a former evening, respeolinef the'amount
of the-Subsidy which, was to be granted to Sweden
by the Tteaty which had recently'beeh laid on their
Lordships' table. If on that occasion he bad fallen
into any' Mistake, it arose from. 'a misconception of
the question put to him by the Noble Earl, Whom
he conceived to ask if the former existing Treaties
with Sweden were not annulled by the present one :
undoubtedly the former Treaties which had been
entered into for a specific obje6t, which obje& no
longer existed, had ceased, and none now remained'
but the Treaty on the table.

Lerd Gael!, after referring to the tiature of his
question, professed himself satisfied with the Noble
Lord's explanation.
' HIS IIAtESTY's MESSAGE.
The Order of the Day being read,
Lard Helik'KESß tilt Y Rise to ,move AddreSs
of-Thanks to his Majeily for his most gracious Ales-
sage. • In stating the ground's of this Motion; he
would studiousty avoid tutiching upon any topic that
was likely to give rise to any difference of opinion on
subje& respelling Which, under every circumstance.
of the case, it was so desirable that a perfe& unani-
mity should prevail. After the proofs of unshaken
• firmness And tkcyity Which his Swedish Majesty had
displayed to hiss engagements with this Country, there
cmuld scarcely be any other sentiment in .the minds of
Noble lords, but that the,cendti& of this Country
towards Sweden should be marked by that justice,ge7
nerosity, and good faith,whicli characterised the rela-
tions of Country with its Alliek and which *ere
so signally called for and deserved by the uniform.
Steadiness and spirit exhibited by his Swedish.Majes-
ly. The objeet of the Subsidies and of the support
which it wasAroposed now to afford to Sweden, was
not the formation cf any confederacy, but to enable
his Swedish Majesty to defend his dominions against-.
the formidable cenfederate attacks with which he
was at present threatened. It was fur the interest
as well as for dal 'honour of ,England to assist a
Sovereign whose firmness and perseyerancehadsur-
vived die extinction. of these sentiments in the breast
of,the other Powers of the Continent. He should
repeat it, that it was tot that gallant Monarch
to make a stand' in the defence of his kingdom, and
not with a view to entangle him in any alliance that
should prevent him from making peace with the ene-
my; if any opportunity occurred of his obtaining
tertnti be might consider as
,egoitable and honoura-
ble. His Majesty's Government bad never inter-
fered to prevent his availiug' himself of such an pc.
casion. The subsidy of 1,.c!oo,e001, which was to
be furnished to Sweden, would not be paid all at:
"oils;in (die sum,
,as had been that fbrmerly to
Pregsia, hut in monthly instalments, to be conti,
need as lug as it was probable. its objet could be
accomplished. There was no .connexion bet Ween
the pl.rsent,atid any former'Treaty the former. re-
gard,:d• the defence of. Pomerania and of Stralsund+
a; t hei:e obiods had ceased to operate,, the Treaty Of,
coarse ceased with them, and nothing now remain-
'ed but to enable his Swedish Majesty to make the
best 'exertions for his. own defence, iii which.this
Country was bound.by every tie to take the liveliest
'interest, - His Lordship concluded with moving an
Address to his Majesty; which Was an echo of the
Mesoge.

Lord GREAT VILLE was satisfied with the grounds
.on which the Noble Secretary rested his Motion ;
and so far he was not disposed to make any opposi-
tion to it. He heard with pleasure and approbation
that no attempt was made by Ministers to prevent
Sweden from making what peace it might be in her

.power to negotiate ;and that . the subsidy now of
fered her was protnpted only by justice, generosity,
and good, faith. So far it' was endeavoured to up-
hold the chat atier of the Country in the eyes of Eu-
rope. He.w'as sorry, however, to 'see the Treaty
encumbered with the article that provided that the
two Countilies should negotiate conjointly, There
was no reciprocity between the interests and situa-

tion of the- two, Powers; and where there was no

reciprocity, it was idle to tie down either of them to
a joint negcitiation : besides, there was a: sort of
contradi6tion in saying that Sweden was left free to
negotiate, if an opportubity rtfered to enable her
,to make reni:e, and nest to require that.she should

trot nuke yeace extxpt iu conjunction' with Great
Britain.

After a fow words in explanation from Lord
HAWKESBUAY, the Motion was agreed to,,with the
dissent only, we believe, of Lord King.

IR.ELAND.

Lord 11/IRDIVICKF, next rose, pursuant to no-
tice, to call the attention of the I:louse. to a tranit-,
aftion, during the discussion upon which some Lib=
servationi had lately been made Upon his condat,
which he was conbeions Were wholly unfounded.
The transa&ion he alluded to, was the removal of a
Mr. Giffard from a place Which he held in the Re-
venue Ofice In Ireland. 'He was only anxious to
Offer, .ti'candid statement of the matter tis it really
stead,: and statement, be trusted, 'would fully
vindicate his charaeler as far as it was impliCated in
this matter. The Noble -Earl then ObSetved, thlt
lie would not insist on reading eitrads from the idt-
ters of the Noble Secretary of State on this subject,
as that; he understood,. would be objeetcd to; but
he believed he was at liberty to read'extratls:froM
his own letters, in answer to thoso of the Noble

.Lord HAWX.ESBURIC cotiftssed that .ho oliieetion
was,an, important one, and that, :as on former occa-
sions;
,iptticient time 4)414 be allowed to take it
into coniidention. He thought, however, that the
Bill should first be printer', the more so, as some
new clauses had lately beets added to it; of which
their. Lordships NVero not );et in posfiession. He
theiefore.wi6hed to move that the Bill be printed,
and that it he, read a second time on Wednese.ay.
Lord Gartrtvita.a would not
.obje6t to the printing
Of the Bill, but he was of opinion that the debate
which bad arisen on his objedions to the form of
the Bill should. he adjourned to Wednesday.
This suggestion was acquiesced in. . •

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Sea.e..eity. The Noble Earl- then teed a variety of
extracts from his cprrespotreetice in teoe, with the
Noble Secretary (Lord Hawleasbury),yespeeting the.
husinesi of the Catholic Petition, and the measures
„which the Irish Gevernment wee instruated to pure
ue, in Miler to prevent..any irritationeof the public,
Mind UPou .that question.. Front theee-extraa! it
... ., .
aeptared, that the Cetliolica ',held private Meetings
to eueceri the best mode, ci, .preparing and, prt.sent- ,I
Mg their„Petition, the result df
.which - they had
never published. 'the whole of their meetingeeted
.proceedings were presided over by a Noble Lord
.(fingall), to the:candour, moderation, and 'temper
-of
.whore condud, throughout the whole of 'this i
btiiitiesS, he theuld
.be ever happy to, beer the tes I-
mony such condua deserved.... In order.to give c a:ea
to the inStruaions of Government, heliad cOnstiltea i
with allithe leading men in. Dublin, and had their l,
approbation of the measures he thdeght it prudent
to adept. The Under Secretary of Government had !
even been instruaecl to Head a confidentiel.person to
.Mr. Giffard, -and to acquOint him with the wishes
of his Majesty's Government respettingltheCathOlic-;'
Petition, more particularly specifyingehese wishes,
hyinferMing him" that no discussion should be agi-
tated in Dublin on the question, until it bad previona-
ly come before, and been decided on, by Parliament.'
Mr. Gifford had early. and repeated admonitions on
this point, but no consideration, he said,•-should de-
ter him from_giving a licking to the . Papist.( He
accordingly made the eiolent'and offensive speeches
in the Common Council of Dublin against the Caa
tholics, which were felt to be execeditiely injurious
by the Catholics, and which in his -opinion' were •
wholly irreconcileable With the wishes and inStrue-
floats of GOvernment. In order to, paove the sincie-
,rity of the wishes of the Noble Secret:try, and in
compliance with what be,coitaeeved .to be fits -own
duly, he removed Mr. Giffard from the situation he .
-
held under Government, 'not hoWever without re- COLD 13ATU FIELD.
peated admonitions to desist ftorn.,,every intlamma- Mr. frotlqH StlbtNnn gave notice, thetaitereem the
tory proceeding. It was, true, that some thne after, ' Hon. Gentleman who had lately
.preaeoted a Pet i-
in May,' the Nobble Secretary expressed some regret , ,tion•on the aubjed of Cold Bath, itelels Priori 'r ..tr,
at that neasure, as it seemed to have given, offence Sheridan), should, propoce to the Home some pr;).
to some Protestant Irish -Gentlemen then in Eng- heeding upon that Petition before ThwrSday, next, lie
land. Whether the-opinions of those Gentlemen should think it' his duty to call the attention of thy
were right or wrong he Should not now inquire; House to.the subject.
but lie imagined that the situation lie then .held. • • t/R.DliltS IN COUNCIL.
afforded vs' fair an opportunity of judging of the iii- .
Ott the motion Of I\lr.. Alderman tof4th, it Nan.
of Ireland, as any of those Gentletnere:could , orderead, that the Petition of certain Merchaeta of
.
possibly have had. He had interpreted- the ias.truca • London trading to America", presented 011 Friday Ls:,
.tions of Government in the best manner his etiag- Og,iinst the Orderi of Contiell, sliCuld 'Cie taken :tutu
merit enabled him to do ; and lie bad not aaed, as consideeltienOnstinirsday n..-xt.
had been insinuated, with any harsh precipitation -
'Sir 'C
towards G. PRICI: Presented a Petition from e SoCiety
Mr. Gitfard. In order to prove these asset., of Merchants of Tamale!), concerned in the EXport
tions he should now move, that there be laid before -
, frade to the Continent, allprovin3'.of the restrainta
the. House, Extraets of' the Correspondenotewhice laid oD rho Eaemy ' s conituerev, an-1 praying the
took place between the Noble Secretary of StOte. House to confi rm t hieee' restraints, as the ' best tneans
and himself), respetting the -manner in which it•wat or. ecreep,.; British Produce on the Coatinant" by yen-
thought proper to ad in Ireland with respect to the derine it impossible for the Enemy otherwise to
measure of the Catholic Petition. . •'•. • ' supply 'hi's. most easenti4l wants. In
,answer 10 a
thing could be more candid than the statement of \, . Lin'd iidifiKgSßUß Y ackriowledged, drat -no-, queStion from Mr. TIrRNO rlaPr, 'it eared that
his the Society from which the Petition eame consisted
Noble Friencla but still he felt.himselt. bound not • of Some of the nos[ respekaable Merdiaills in. Lon,-
tO produce the correspondence moved tor, because don, though it was not an incorperated Society! .4r.
some of it of a private nature, and because if Tierney contended that the House could aal:nee•-
prodeced, it could nn ewer no purpose.' It Nana true, ledge no Society as salt, but one.regularii ir.cw-u,-.
,
the condud
,ot his Nohle,Friend in displacing Mr, need; •
Gilfard s looked open as rathar harall b 1 sonic The SrliAkEß Confirmed th:3 uuderA.anditigand
of the Protestant Gentlemen in Wand end in .this prattice of the I! ;., ..., w:th 1.,.;:ii4..!Et io socit.kies;.
Country; and indeed, when it Wa3 ICCOIIeCtOd what, b,.,:- .-,.,:d the I`.,:i'.-, :,, ~1‘,.',. It„::•iv,:i as tiio Pefle •
Mr. (iitEird bild-sulrered'ilLir.,,y, t! e rabellion 'ludo° tl• a , of the ie.e, Lea e,.;,', el ::.1:; by ‘,..'hOln it 'wAq
'other occasiona, with rcso....a to persons tititairaljy r
Lae.
, .
most clear to him, these sufferings would earl ,wits: . ; ;.
them some e4cUse tOr hia intemperate behavioar. : ,
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Lord GRENVIL,LE highly approved of the con ,
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of his Nettle Friend (Lord idardwiae)a 'on that ,
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joccasion, acid thought .that the at:dement he ,I)Eati Pi; aa, -..a, , .„,, !eae•l ~ a •, ae; a.,,..,,,e, a,,
ust made abundantly Justified that co/law:L..l:l'e: peL
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should now cement himself with Ole:wiling, that it - •
at that period Government thought it, prudent to at t.. Ur. 6.:e..e: iteele a (Ai:eerie:ben hetweae te.e.a.
with so much caution turd moderation' bow much , mete,. •
•
more necesseryewas it for Laical to conduit them- . eie ee„ -a-
selves with ,-; „ ;„,Re .0),I,„1,d, that th,ie aie.3
,ebb same and inoderafion under... exa ,:e t, • ati...., lie`Wiiliel to ketnir in
- - proof of te.. o•piniee of tlte i.ili‘.:ziqy of the Ordorq in_
the present circumstances cif the bate countries..•
a aLeaLicei their Eiports.
Lard I-lOLLAND reti!rred,to-• a conversation which • Ceeheil; eeree- a ei the Potitaer, wheteer the Pe-
• Sir C. Plural: said, that since theappearance"qf the
he had , with Mrs Fox on. dna subject, and•thought a teeniera bad
1. re-opening' of the Contieental Ports, this 80cicty hid
it but joatice to a;tye Unit Mr., Fox hiehly-nproved, i
of the..condud of the Noble Earl alarowickco wiiiie
, .
in Ireland, but,of npriting, mute !hair of the initialer _
in whieti,he had acted in the busine
ss'now u enhirged its Eicporta to Holland.
nder , The cLIA:.:,:
veecnt of the EXciII,,34VUR Made a
discuasion. - • . = = • '
distindion between a Society to a Chartered Ceiti-
After a short explanation from Lprd Hawkesbury, pan), :if it was Dilly a club the Petition may be re-
Lord Hardwidke withdraw his motion.
, . ceived.
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• . • ' ORDERS IN COUNCIL. i Mr. ITIBISERT, (ibicti:Vect, thlt, Malty or the Pell-
On the motion for the first reading of the Bill for tieners were foreigners, and urged the: propriety 'of
carrying these measures into execution, ' theipelitioning as insitlvidualg. . . .
Lord GRENVILLB signified that he hed an objet- After along conversation, iii ‘adilell Mr. Secretary Lion in form to any further proceeditig in this niea-; Canning,' Sir C. Price, and flit Ceatieetiel of the
sure. It was in direct contradittion to the: Standing ' Exchequer, repeatedly argued the propriety of- re,-
Order of the Honae of 1702 ;* and if their 'Lordships ' ceiving the Petition, :md Mr.' Tierney, Mr. Wind-
allotivotl that Order to be infringed, . t here would be ham; and Lord FOills'i.:o&, bhjeCted, oil. the poi at.
an end of their biSt privilege:;, and of their deliberate - of form; Sir C. Price,. cm the euggestion et Mr.
capacity, which the Noble Baron proceedeci•to show Whitbread, consanted to withdraw the: Petition, ;•,
from a variety of cases, end front the nature 'and ilea . order to put it in a leas eaeeptiot-table form, obeeviee
cessity of the Standing-Order to which lie had re- at the same time thin the cause. Of pre.e.aitine it %%eta
furred. , . - ' the anxiety of the individuals who sieued it, ancl.e.no
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tesptulittr.:ofee:aelirlsi)cresst‘N,se:4",..l.leio:sesaeasrAtiltest;:filini.4ittehrueotcidtoi'lftriarl.:ciionfeaititllsieliml:nnlri
rtt:les:,e)iserizljgoe:4otri
tnsrlyelli
ype::ll:Yrridgaß;r:Literrobrileptaaaui,cr:ieckpt,ldip,e.:irirt'irtiltl;
:a:idit:he ciilltt
ici:3:ijuLl3l*:;',)'!,:
observation than other men ernild have, on the
I
1 Bills
1 Mr-111.1ITBREdb...thaved, ' that thnere be fait!
' before the House an Acenunt of, all I,:aporta froiti
Great Britain to Denintirk; detineuishitig 1.-.lite‘f
4
Man an
ufadures cl Produce' from l'oreign,. and real
from official Value, inethe years 1806, 6, and 7. '
liis':ohjetl wits to ascooain whether the statement
made by him on a former night', Stating the amoinit
of that export to be 4,6110,00.01: .or that of the Ite.:et..
'Hon.=Gentlemaii opposite, which.aid ,it was bar a
tenth part of that sten, was corred. ~
Mr. IiOSE moved that the Account be froth t:,:z,
'yea' 1708 inClusiie; lie still meineilotad that .p...,,.
• twirl ,'•for her own consumptiott, did not tAl,,e
•400,0001. of British preface.. It %yea', ttaie, ante it.,
-bee allowed it,' that when :Hainburgli vas allot up,
and' the trade ofthat.pitice trtinsferre:l to Erwitinr, I h.:,
exports to Denmark had increased to 2,000,0eol.;
but that Was all re-etnerted.
' Mr. I.PEITIIREetb said lt. %yea of no consereteli,:,.
to ti'.e grazier if tha-bnicher con-atoned himself a:i
the meat lie beught of him, or sold it itiOni to les
Ctiatome,rs. His rabjed wea to star W tin 4C:.',,,fi:

Non to the I}fodu4ioti of the Pap Ors he intended to
move for, he alight, however, bring tOrward his
mition on 1 bat day ; if otherwisei, he might be in-
dtk:ed to poitpone it to a more remote ene. For the
pre,ent he v. ()old allow it to stand open.
Adjow tied:

HOUSL (2F cgAr:wo NS.

MOZiIIAY MA:iCil 14.

. .
Mr. tats6;.r.t..t.s. brought O) the Report ot
the Malinznibury Ele6tion Committee, declaring the'
Sitting Members dttly &cited, and the Petition
against them not frivolous. . -1
,
A Copy Of the Charter of Greenwich Hospital •
laid befoie the House... .
• Sir C. Pots gave notice of his.iotention to submit,
a motion on this-sUbjed.'
Mr. Pour, inoved;' that therd ,be. laid before the
libuse Copies of allOrdersiSsiied by the AdmiraitY
for relieVing, tip SqUaidion off Rochefort, nutter the
command..at' Sir It.'Stetr!itan,' and for supplying thu
same with. provisiooS;' also Copies of Order., 10
the same effera, issued by Admiral Lord. (33riiner,
Commlnder. in Chief of diet:flannel Meet, and Ad-
n:i-.11 Young, Port Admiral of Portsmoni h..
After a tew Oservations froni Cia.cuarr,
these Papers were ordered. - . ;
04 the motion of Mr. litisitissoti, it wasordere4
that there should be laid before ho, House copies of ..
time various Orders,pf Council,: with respeft to the
cargoes of Arneriean .Ships lately &tallied. ar.d
brought into British Ports ; also Copies of the Or-
ders issued byllie Loids'of the Treasury, for,
ing the importation of Ce?tair:, goods. in ,Portuguese
Shipi.

. .
11v.11% Secretary CANNINa presented Copis of the
.Correspoodetvo. relating
,to the trartstiaiuns in I:1;s

vale of Denmark as de-Douche. The Account ct as
ordercci :iccording to Mr. hose's proposition.
On the Mo.ion of Mr. BARING, it was ordered
that lit,. re `‘›st laid before toe 1-louse an Account of.
Prs:‘,T, 'act Dyed Ca'iicoes and Cottons, exported
t"roLo. (11‘:.), r,riutin to America.

t rqIELI., gave 'nottc-e, ,that lie 1(:-
MOrliPy save foi..certain Papors relative to the Ex.
poll,: Troll Irehiqi to America. Leave was giveu
to in the Annual Bill . for ,the 'itidetunitical 'tun-
oi Witt) omitted to take ullowmtlitieitioti

appiittlion Nir: l'imts‘v.yi 'the third
,t the COttOlt Wool Exportation Bill, ain't
~ti Duty Bill, was put- off till ‘Vednesday,
;, : • 13:),Ittinky. for presenting ceEtain
UndeNtOthi to be in plc

Ott the Mot:on of. Lord TEMPLE it was ordered,
that there be laid hrtbre the House an Account
alt Ships and Vessels thatiJad entered into and clear-
ed 04(t of the Port of London, distinguishing those
for Foreign and thaw or Copaing Trade, from the
10 of January to the Ist of Febrnal, in the years
18011,, 1807,110 d I 808.