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London, England, 1839-03-23 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUES OF LORDS, MAECH 22

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack,
at Five o'Clock.
The Eat' of H ADDINGTON presented petitions from
Monkland, and other places in Scotland, praying for Church
Extension in Scotland.
Lord BROUGHAM presented petitions from Wal-
sall, in Staffordshire, the inhabitants of Birming-
ham, the Licensed Victuallers of Birmingham, Bir-
Eta!, Wallington, Greenwich, Kingston-upon-Hull,
Staffird, Runcorn, and the Licensed Victuallers
of Run.mrn, against the Beer Bill. Also petitions from
Lancaster, Maybole, Kincardine, Stourbridge, and Wis-
beach, for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Also a petition
fcom, Maryford, praying for a uniform Penny Postage,
and a petition from Inverkeitbing against Church En-
dowments in Scotland. The Noble and Learned Lord then
wed fur certain ordinances and returns to be laid on the
Ile in reference to the Canadian prisoners. The Noble
Learned Lord presented a petition from Wellington,
tirig for a plan of national education.
Tee Earl of SH A FTESBUR,Y presented a petition
Grtme wood, against any plan of national education
Melded upon the principles of the Established Church.
TITHES (IRELAND) ARREAR BILL.
Drd DUNC ANN ON moved the second reading of the
es ( Ireland) Arrear Bill. The Noble Lord stated
the object of this Bill was merely to carry into effect,
r sootier than otherwise would be, the purpose for
ii the Act was passed last year—namely, to
rte the Lords of the Treasury to issue certain sums of
trt of the million which remained in their hands
c the whole of the arrears could be collected in Ireland.
Alarquis of W E sTm E AT H wished to know whethe r
103,0001. which was misapplied and given to Public
Iceland out of the residue of the million
cpaicl and applied to the purposes of this Act?
rstood that that would be so wEen the Act of the
ViiiS passed, but since then he (the Noble
) un•lerstuod there was some doubt thrown on that

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DUN C ANNON did not suppose there was to
made with respect to the 100,000 E
L 0 Wexpected to have heard from the Noble
::situ sshy it was considered necessary to pass this
. ..:nt Act o: the Act of last Session, but he was disap.
teat respect. It seemed to be a matter of course
Amendment Acts of the Acts that had been passed in
nee Ses,ions bythe present Ministry. The million was
hands ui the Government, and he thought they had
leility of applying it without any such act as the

DUNCANNON said, that as the thing at pre-
:Jo part of the remaiiiing portion of the million
)I.lted without this Act till the whole of the

;LOW said that that showed the gross
'.! of last year.

hen lead a second time, and ordered to be

:11unday.

CANADA.
pli; of NORM ANB Y laid on the table returns
ci,spatchci bdtween Sir Francis Head and
•'i (..4uvernment, and certain other papers re-

IRELAND.
quis of N 0 RMANBY said, that in re-
to the Committee relating to Ireland, which
),!ea moved for last night, he had seen
of the Noble Earl opposite of the Committee pro-
in which he observed his own (the Noble Marquis's)
He now wished to give the Noble Earl an oppor-
-if • naming some other person in his stead. He did
:k it would be his duty or desirable in any way that he
take any part in the proceedings of that Committee.
• stated that he desired to correct a mistake as to a
of fact made by a Noble and Learned Lord near
.ord Brougham) last night, the matter of tact was
that upon which he should not have expressed a dissent
.001 the Noble and Learned Lord unless he had felt per-
.ctty ce,aain of the grounds on which he proceeded.
is Noble and Learned Lord stated that in 1837, when
Nchie Marquis (Westmeath) was alluding to what
7,1 called his (the Marquis of Normanby's) tour in
SA, the subject of these discharges had not been alluded
t, or he had been saved the pain of making these obser-
Lions, which he should have felt himseif called upon to
ake. The Noble Marquis, as he (Lord Normanby)
qderstuod him, had said that the returns of these
ts2s were not then on the table of the House. That
':L3 the nature of the assistance which the Noble and
,earned Lord's new ally was prepared to give. Now it
rather singular that it was the Noble Marquis who had
the Noble and Learned Lord's attention to these
which he had last night stated he had no recollection
tat. ter of. The Noble Marquis then read extracts
the sl:teeches of the Marquis of Westmeath and Lord
Uueham -in that House on the 11th of July, 1837,

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wliealie (the Marquis of Normanby) had been charged
It it-a :in improper exercise of the Royal prerogative. h ap-
pared from these extracts that the Noble and Learned
Lord had last night alluded to precisely the same cases on
which he (the Marquis of Normanby) had been heard in his
defence three years ago. He thought he had es-
talAished the fact of the Noble and Learned Lord's

knowledge of these cases on a previous occasion.
Tno mot:on was introduced by the Duke of Wellington
acid wai spoken to by the Noble and Learned Lord, yel

s:i(1 the question might be mentioned, but not promi-
Eently, and he might have been asleep, and therefore—
Lord BROUGHAM—If I was asleep then I could
nor. have beard the debate.

The Marquis of NORNIANBY—The question was
brought forward by the Duke of Wellington. The
Noble and Laarned Lord (Brougham) might
not consider that as of any importance, but he (the
'Marquis of Normanby) considered that anything falling
from the Noble Duke was of importance, and that when he
br.,light forward any question in that House it was promi-
neetly brought under their Lordships' notice. The Noble

Learnt.l L;-;rd proceeded upon the assumption that it was
a pa t of his system to liberate prisoners wherever he
iveLt, for the sake of popularity. He need scarcely
:coy such a charge. He bad stated last night that

in one district, finding a certain train of circumstances, and
after consultation with the assistant barrister, ho conceived
'as a proper field on which to try the experiment
In another county be found similar circum.
nia,, and acted in the same manner, in order to try the
tie experiment. He had made that explanation with con.
erable pain, because friendships of 20 years' standing were
easily set aside; but he felt bound to say the Noble and
Learned Lord had not acted in that matter with that sincerity
usually- characterized him or to which he was entitled.
o-d BROUGHAM felt very sincere and unfeigned
at hearing the concluding sentence of the Noble
'Rig. He said, that in consequence of what had
passed, he bad withdrawn his friendship from him (Lord
4,
It was a matter of small moment to him

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Crilf! -Mrquis of N.), but to him (Lord Brougham) i
was a cause for much sorrow. That sorrow, bow.

was lessened, otherwise it might have been

intolerahle--it was considerably lessened, because he
(I.wd Brougham) had nothing to blame himself for.
He had incurred the displeasure of his Noble Friend in the
dicliarge of his public duty. He could appeal to some
Noble and Learned Friends, who were not then present,
but who soon might, that fifteen months ago he congratu-
lad,d himself upon his escape from taking the same course
wilich his duty compelled him to do last night. The Noble
Marquis was in error, as that was not the first time it had
bee.i his duty to find fault with his conduct in Ireland. Did
the Noble Marquis forget the opposition he (Lord B.) had
felt compelled to give him upon the Sheriff question?
Upon his shoulders did the main part of that battle rest.
Upon that occasion the Noble Marquis changed the Noble
Friend into Noble Lord. In consequence of that speech
in June, 1837, there was a cessation of all friendly inter-
course for several weeks, but it was again—much to his
pleasure and delight—it was again renewed. He alluded
to that merely to say that he hoped such would be the re-
sult upon the present occasion ; and that after the preju-
diced feelings of the Noble Marquis wore away, they would
ag.ain be on the same terms as before. He hoped nothing
more painful or more lasting would result from the
present difference than had been the case before.
He had forgotten the debate, he had forgotten himself, and
all ea, tidy considerations,in its dullness.—( Great laughter.)
Ile bad fallen asleep.--( Hear, hear, and a laugh,)—and
‘e begged to apologize to his Noble Friends for having
The speeches of his Noble Friends on his (Lord
am's) side of the House had assisted in producing
'ct—( Opposition cheers)--and he must add that the
speeeaes of the Noble Lords opposite had frequently helped
him into the, same state. He bad not risen like other Noble
Lords at two or three o'clock in the day, but at six o'clock in
the morning, and had been
-engaged engaged in judicial business all

done so.
Brougha
that tif?i

the day, as his Noble and Learned Friend on the Wool-
sack—and who, he presumed, had slept all through the
debate—( A laugh)—or at least he ought to have done so,
for, with the exception of the debate on the Corn-laws, he
( Lord 13.) had never spent a duller evening—( Laughter)—
he was engaged from ten o'clock in judicial business, till
nice or ten at night reading over some of their Lordship's
heavy pirpers; and he could not have slept more than five
n minutes, when he was roused by the Noble Mar-
- to bim. As to what passed in July, 1837,
taii.inent of the Noble Marquis was perfectly correct.
ia July, 1837. that he bad defended the Noble
ri, ; and the mater was called to his attention by
thing that had been said in the course of that debate,
tison to what was called (although he was then igno-
Ld
!lie meaning of the word) the Noble Marquis's
delivery tour. On that occasion, having heard
:cro:,;nt of the discharge of one of. those prisoners
t sitisfactorily explained, because it appeared that
Learned Judge before whom he bad been tried
tj given his sanction to the discharge of
prison,r, he had given that general opinion
the Noble Marquis's conduct, and he had then
some s;ronr' expressions—as well as he could
recollect, he hid stated that the conduct of the Noble
`l,ii-quis in extending lenity to that prisoner, although it
be:n strongly oljected to by the other side was the re-
-1/44 his own humane feelings, and was triumphantly yin-
!d by the Noble Marquis's defence of that night.
) days afterwards a Noble Friend of his asked him whe-
was aware of all the facts when he had given that
3 whitewasher of approval to the whole of the Irish

ther he

.o Lieutenant's gaol delivery tour. The expre,sion was
quite new to him, and the reason was obvious, because he
some time previously absent in the country; that
mend of his had referred him to the Noble Marquis
. po,ite who was perfectly acquainted with the circumstan-
ces of the case, and he had gone to him the next day when
he aset.rtsined that he had been previously entirely igno.
rant of the real circumstances of the case. Nothing, there-
fore, could be more entirely consistent than his (Lord B.'s)
statement in July, and his having afterwards expressed sa-
tis':action that the question had not been forced on him in
November following. As it apeared to him now, it had
not been put forward in a very
prominent manner. These
Were the real facts of the case, and his statement must of
necessityere
r be founded upon inaccurate recollection, fbr upon
no othe
ground was it intelligible. It appeared to him,
therefore_ that the Noble Marquis was labouring under a
1 erY extraordinary delusion in the charge which he had
brought against him. What was the precise charge ? That
he lild defended him a year and a half ago, and that he had

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