The Sun.
London, England, 1830-12-14 00:00:00

empire were so neeeesary as at the present moment. With•
out a military estahli.bmcot it would be utterly impossilde
to preserve tranquillity, and in the breves which he had
itneseed recently in the south of Hampshire, he knew due
without the help of the military the peace of the district
mild not have been restored.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER tlmuelit
it by no means so deeireble to vote the estimates for a.
long a period as the Hon. Illeuther for Cricklade had
mentioned. He and his friends bail certainly felt it their
duty to increase the army, and they had done this in the
cheapest way possible. When it was considered what the
state of the country really was, no pentott could be sur-
prised at an increase of the militate/ 'Wee. He would no,
wish to govern the country, by any military power, 1,111
when rioters and disorders tKlitteti, Stich as had tecenit,
lien witnessed, it was necessary to eeteeress them at
once, and by the most rffectual mettle. The Hon. Gentle-
man had adverted to the sellect of the Duchy of Lan-
easter, an to the opinion expressed by the present
Lord Chancellor upon that subject. Now the ettument
of the Lord Chancellor, when in that tlonee, was this—
that his Majesty's speech had reletel expectations in
the country that the revenues 'oi the Duchy of Lan-
vaster were among those tee he given up, and he disap-
preyed of the expectatiews bring raised which it was net it-
eroded to fulfil, tle (the Chancellor of the cerdequer)
confesred that he had taken the same view eV the subject
es his Nohk end Learned Friend. lhtt It would he most un-
fair, if by the wording of the King's Speech, which was 111
speech of the late Minietete, expectation had been raised
which it was never intended to fulfil, for the House to re.
quire that those expectations, an falsely raised, 'Anal be
reelis:d..--(lfeer.) The Duchy of Lancaster had away.
been oonsidered as a distinct prnpereyeir the King, as Duke
of Leeteaster ; it constituted one of the few rights which
belonged to the King, sod had never hitherto been inter-
lewd with by Parliament,. Would it then be e gracious
return to his Majesty, when surrendering other interests,
certainly of less importance, for him to he called upon—
the first King that ever was-4o make such a sacrifice ?
Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought it would be hi,ghly
dangerous, in the perent state of Fleece, Belgium, Ilol•
lend, Poland, and Naples, to make any reduction in the
army. Ho was no friend to cutting down our establish_
shears to the lowest possible degree ; and he did not think
it was ?possible to give much relief to the eeuritry by re-
treuchment in the civil and military departments of
the &see.
Sir IL VIVIAN said he was not one who would advo- ,
cote keeping up the army to keep the people down, but he
would have it placed in such an effective condition as to he
able to secure the peeee and protect the property of his
Majesty's subjects. Ile did not think dletreas was the sole
rase of the disturbances which had disgraced some parts
of the ctrentry. The people hail been tampered with ;
they had been taught to read, and he did not ohjeet to that,
---(Laughter.) lie wished not to be Weunderstood.
'Whet be meant to say was, that in every pot-house,
eurnipidets of the most inflammatory description were to
be acre--(hear, hear)--and it was by such evil means
that the people were excited t o outrage.--(Hear, hear.)
An effectual way to relieve the present distress of the lower
orders would he by giving them sufficient employment.
Mr. 11. CORDON thought that the state of Europe
afforded a reason for reducing our own military mothball.
went, for the Powers of Europe would find enough to do
in keeping their own people quiet, without attempting to
interfere with any foreign nation. With respect to the
Duchy of Lancaster, the Nettle Lord, rind the present
Lord Chancellor, had made it to be underrtond as their
opinion, that that right t.f the King ought to he surrendered.
ATTWOOD meld it a groat delusion for the
Government to talk about ecorinmy and retrenchment if
they intended to and to the 'military force for the purpose
of putting an end to theditturbancene into the reuse of
which they refuse,) to inquire, lie believed that it could
be shown to demonstration, the cause of the present die
tree*, and of the dieted:rowel nrisine therefrom, to Ire
that unfortunate measure by which an alterpeinn was of
fretted in tire currency. Ile was ronvinetel that the
Crosses of the errantry could twine relieved hy retrenchment
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
it was not byretrenchment alone that the Gevernment in.
tended to -relieve the emaitry, but also by larking at the
Snantial stato of the country, and the runner in vehich
taus premed tot the industry' of the people, and by re
doming those taxes, which hrtheir exeessive amount, re-
duted themselves. He helloed that the revenue would he
inetessed, and afforded to the people, not by laying
on new Miele but by altering thorrewhich pressed heavily
em isdustry—e(Heer, hear)—for when Ire comparell the
amount of tendon and the amount of capital and wealth
at yreeentrxitting, with the amount of taxation and capital
timing at say former period, ho felt confident that the
amount of tuft was nut so great that, if properly imposed,
it could not be borne by the people. The Hone Gentleman
had mid that the evils of the county were owing, ie
alms degree, to the alteration of the etantlard of value.
That alteration had been unintentionally effected, but the
Hon. Gentleman proposed to the House deliberately to re-
duce the standard of value, Such a proeosition AN that
could never be adopted he any commercial country witheut
e destruction. It was of the greatest importance to a corn
macial country to have a fixed standard of value. For
these reasons the Ministers were determined not to go into
Oat reeettion. (Hear.) They would endeavour to alle-
viate the distress of the country in 4 way they had pointed
out, anti if they hided in their object, he for one wouti
not attempt to make an intentional depreciation in the
standard of value.,•(l-leate)
An lloa. M*ataara concurred in the propriety of in-
ereasieg the army under present circuindaneeni. lie ob-
jected to making any' alteration hi the currency, and
wiabed the political and judicial functions of the Lord,
chancellor to be separated.
Mr. ATTWOOD 'aid, what he had compleined of was,
that Government would not inquire into the coulee of the
present disturbances.
Mr. BRISCOE; for one, regretted to hear art increase
of the privy, where he ball expected a reduction ; )et 1 e
*till more regretted to hear that the *tease was meow)
to keep his Majesty', subjects in submiesion to the oo-
tornment. lie understood from. the Noble Lord that the
present Administration would set on the principle which
the eircumetanees of the tithes roc Faire---that is, to be
governed by the public opinion ; and in that principle lie
*had 'toppled the difference between them aria their pre-
decessors to consist, But be almost fterred that their
greatest difficulties Would arise from their mistaking the
temper er the times. The county which lw had the
hoootte to represent was now in tranquillity. It bad been
recently disturbed, but it wits restored to peace by means
of the Cotistitutional foree of the era:wry—the rowita-
bultry. He was pleased that be could yield the Adminine.
widen his support upon the principles which they pro-
femed, but he felt bound to protest against the present pro.
retteling. On the' part of his conetituente, he would not
roonsent to the application of this money to the increase of
the army.

I' Non tall auxin° net derensoritnta

Ternpus eget."
If the,preient constabulary force Walk inbaffiCknt it ought
to he increaused, and public tranquillity tunintaintd by the
force which the Constitution recogtizeil. _ .

.O'CORMAN MAHON considered that the state of the
smuntry required an increase in the military liirce.—
,Thengh the Hem.
,Member for Surrey (Mr. Briscoe) now
so warmly denounced the employment of the military in
the anhjeetiere of ;the people, he (O'Gorman Miami) ilia
not recollect that that Hon. Meniher ever objected to the
applications whirls used to be made for troop* to he sent In
Ile mad,, where the suffering people were treated. with
bayonets inetesel of bread, and with pills of lead insteed at
tote itoes..—(►,autitter.)-11e was surprised, too, that the
finn..lisseher for Middlesex should have made a prove.
*Won to, disband, in the present state of the country, when
there sea tint sufficient employment or fend for the people,
20,000 sWiers. That would be only adding so many men
So the nurnher of those whn were at present in distress..
OENISON was glad to hear that Ministers in
tended to mike no change in the earreocy, lie did not
agree With his lion. Golicague in thinking that no increase
wee necessary in the temp He would support Govern.
team, nn account of the pledges they had given of not
intirfering in the affairs of the Continent, of making re-
trenchment, and proposing %Atm in Psi liament.
mr. BRISCOE. repeated his conviction that no aug.
tuentation its the military fires was neetswary.
.14411 PALMERSTON said, that Government pro.
rwted to. increase the military power, not to keep the peo-
Piefr,sutierOohe put to.give force to the laws and prow.
e ion to property ; hot to supersede the constalsolary force,
but to give esemitance and support t 4,) that
Mr. Alderinan WAITiIMAN thought that Government
Would never he We to relieve the distresses of the people
y mere reduetiOn.

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