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Audited Jan. 1M (Signed) G. G. de IL LA RPENT.
S. JONES LOYD.
After the reading of the report,
Lord Auritoar addressed the meeting, and ob-
served, that having been requested by the council
to propose a motion that the Report be adopted,
he felt great satisfaction at having the opportunity
of expressing his feelings on the subject for which
they were assembled without unnecessarily obtruding
himself on their notice. It was to him a source of
unmixed gratification to find, that the middle, and in
traly instances, the humbler classes of society had,
by the establishment of the London University, an
opportunity (which the rich always enjoyed) of ob-
ta.ning, at a theap rate, that complete education
which would afford the means of bringing for-
ward the talents of so many of whose assistance
society would, without such means, be deprived.
Without going into the details, because he was
speaking in the presence of many who were much
better acquainted with them, he would offer a few
words on one or• two points of the report. The account
which they had heard rend of the state of their
ewi:otuliiiedt
morel te
finances, gave, in his opinion, no cause for any
despondence as to the future:prosperity of the so-
ciety. If he were a Member of the Council, he owned
that he could not expect, up to the present time,
be
of students
any greater number of pupils than were at present on the
books of the University, because he knew, what all must be
aware of, that the progress of knowledge at first was slot;
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he world now move that the report be received, and printed,
and circulated amongst the proprietors.
Mr. W. SMITH (M.P. for Norwich) said, that in
seconding this motion, he would be disposed to confine
himself to following the Noble Lord in the expression of
gratification at the statements contained in the report; but
the situation in which he found his own name in the
lists—at the head of the Protestant dissenting congrega-
tions in London and its vicinity._,called for a few remarks
which otherwise he might not bi disposed to make. fie

would not draw any comparisons as to the attainments in
knowledge and science of that class to which he belonged
and any other in the community. If any difficulties in
acquiring them—if any obstacles were opposed to their
attainment by that class in the chartered universities of the
kingdom—that ought to be a reason why that class should
snore eagerly give its support to such an institution as the
present. If the acquisition of knowledge in those universi-
ties were desirable, so much the greater injury was done to
those who found themselves excluded. And if any particular
discipline existed in those establishments which excluded the
class to which he alluded, so much stronger ought to be
the desire to uphold such an establishment as the Loudon
University amongst those who could not conscientiously
submit to those regulations of discipline. To talk of the
advantages of education in a meeting such as the present,
composed, as he knew it was, of those who were fully im-
pressed with the value of those advantages, would be an
unnecessary waste of time ; but he could not help quoting
a few lines of Milton on this subject, which said more i❑ a
few words than he could hope to express in a long speech.
Speaking of education, Milton said—" I call a complete
general education that which fits man for a just, skilful, and
magnanimous performance of his duty in every office,
public or private, in peace or in war." It was not pos-
sible that the advantages of education could be more
tersely or more forcibly expressed. He would only add,
that if man were taught to perform the duties of private
life magnanimously, those of war would sink to nothing,
—(Hear, hear.)—Before he sat down he might be allowed
(while he felt grateful for the support the University had
received) to express his regret that that support was not
as extensively given by the Dissenters, Protestant and Ca-
tholic, in London and its vicinity, as they had a right,
and were led to expect on their first establishment. If any
of those classes to which he alluded were present, he would
in their presence express a hope that they would exert
themselves to promote the objects of the institution. He
would not stop to enquire into the causes why greater
support had not been received from those classes, but he
would again repeat the expression of hope that, from an
institution so ably conducted, and calculated to confer so
many benefits on the community, the cordial support of
those classes to whom it was likely to be most beneficial
would not be withheld. After an eulogium on the mode
in which the system of instruction was conducted in the
University, the Hon. Member concluded by stating, that
it only wanted to be known, in order to be universally re-
spected.
_ _

Mr. PIA Rom trusted, that in presenting himself thus
early to the attention of the meeting, no wish to impede
their proceedings would be attributed to him. He was
glad that the Noble Lord, and the Hon. Gentleman who
had just addressed the meeting, hail preceded him, because
some of the observations which he had to address to the
meeting were connected with a remark made by the latter,
in which he asked, with some expression of regret, why
the University had not received a more extensive support
from the Catholics and the Protestant Dissenters; and
why they had not availed themselves more fully of the ad-
vantages which it held out to them in particular. The
answer to that question was most important for the consi-
deration of the meeting. An Hon. Proprietor (Colonel
Jones) had stated, that in the coarse of the proceedings
some questions would be put to the Council. He did not
know to what questions the Hon. Gentleman intended to
call their attention ; but the matters to which he (Mr.
Fearon) was about to call their attention, would be put
rather as suggestions, calling to their notice some reports
which had been for a considerable time in circulation
amongst many classes interested in the progress of the
University. The points to which he wished to address
himself were contained in a wieldy literary publication.
They had also been in circulation elsewhere. He would
take them in order. The first was, that they were not
making that progress in the dissemination of instruction
(with the exception of the medical classes, which were well
attended) which bad been anticipated. The Hon. Pro-
prietor then went on to detail other points of objection to
the present system, or to the regulations of the Council,
rumours respecting which had been, he said, some time in
circulation. They were in substance that, owing to some
cause, the number of students had not increased to the ex-
tent they had reason to expect ; that the fees of admission
to the several classes were too high, being nearly twice as
much as would be charged by most respectable classical
schools in and near the metropolis—that the charge upon
the establishment from a salary of 1,2001. a year to the
warden, aeiai the salaries of professors and officers of the
University, were over 5,0001, a year, and were much
greater than the income of the institution could afford ;
and that some of the professors had made use of their situ-
ations in the University to promote Sectarian principles--
that the University Council had itself acted upon those
principles ; at least, that it was so felt in some cases, for
that in those cases Church of England men were preferred
to certain offices, while Dissenters were rejected. (These
last charges, we understood Mr. Fearon to say, had been
made public by Dr. Bowring.) For his own part, he did
not object to the appointment of members of the Church
of England to professorships and other offices in the
society. If more competent persons were found belonging
to that church, (and it was probable that it would be so,
from the many advantages they enjoyed above Dissenters,)
be would say, that the Council were bound to choose the
most competent without reference to creed. He stated
this in fairness, for all he wished was the success of the
institution, on the principles on which it was first esta-
blished ; but if any objections did exist on this ground,
he thought that the sooner they were explained to the
proprietors and the public, the better. —(Hear, bear. )
If the cause of the want of support which they had to re-
gret arose from the high prices charged for admission to the
several classes, it would be necessary to apply the proper
remedy, by lowering them. If it arose from any damp
thrown upon the ardour of the Dissenters by any deviation
from the principles on which the University was esta-
blished, that ought to be remedied, if they hoped for the
continuance of the support of those who advocated those
principles. It was alleged, and the belief was pretty gene-
rally extended, that certain Professors of the University
bad used the name of the University (whether by the sanc-
tion of the Council or not) in promoting their own secta-
rian principles. If that were the case (and he should show
that the rumour was not unfounded) it could not be a mat-
ter of surprise that some of their early friends should evince
coldness and indifference as to the success of the Institu-
tion. lie would ask them whether any one or more of the
Professors bad done any thing on the subject of religious
instruction in the University which tended to destroy the
principle on which it had been established? Let him not
be understood as opposed to religious instruction. On the
contrary, there was nothing which he should mo-re desire
to see combined with general education ; but the privilege
en which they went in that Institution was that which had
been laid down by one of the greatest men of the age, he
*leant the earliest friend and advocate of the University
(Mr. Brougham) : it was this. -that any particular reli-
gion should not be taught within the walls, not because
it was not important, but for the reasons, that being
all-important, and that so few men were found to agree
upon any one mode of religious instruction, any one par-
ticular creed should not be mixed up in a system of gene-
ral education; but that each of the pupils should be left to
that mode of religious instruction out of doors, which they
or their friends might choose to adopt. Upon this prin-
ciple was the University founded, and upon this he went.
He would come now to facts in support of the allegation
that certain Professors of the University did depart from
this principle, and did publish certain advertisements and
pamphlets which would lead the world to believe that they
did so by the consent and sanction of the Council of the
London University. He would first beg the attention of
the Meeting to two advertisements which appeared in the
Times journal on the 2d of February, 1629. They were
both headed " University of London ;" and one, which
was signed with the name of the Warden, Mr. Horner,
gave notice, on the part of the Council, that certain lec-
tures on political economy would be delivered on certain
days mentioned by Mr. Macculloch. Immediately over
that advertisement was another, headed also " University
of London," and stating that " the divinity lectures, esta-
blished for the benefit of the students of the Church of
England, July 4, 1828, will be commenced at: Saturday,
February 14, at two o'clock. The Rev. Thomas Dale,
M.A., Lecturer. Further particulars may be learned of
Mr. John Taylor, 30, Upper Gower-street." This, it
would be admit,:ed, would of itself lead to an impression
that the lectures were a part of the system of education esta-
blished at the University of London ; but lest there should
be any doubt on it, Sir. Dale's lectures were shortly after
published, with this notice on the back of the cover
University of London—Rev. Thos. Dale's introductory
Lecture upon the study of Theology and the Greek Teata-
ment ;" and in the title-page was this—(headed as before)
—" University of London—Au Introductory Lecture
upon the Study of Theology and of the Greek Testa-
ment, delivered at the opening•of the Theological Institu-
tion, Saturday, Nov. 21, 1629, by the Rev. T. Dale,
Lecturer on Divinity at the above Institution, and Professor
of the English Language and English Literature in the
University of London. Printed by Samuel Bentley for
John Taylor, 30, Upper Gower-street, bookseller and pub-
lisher to the University." Now he(Mr, Fearon) mentioned
those things in order to show a cause for the effect which
the Hon. Member for Norwich deplored,—the coldness
and apathy of the Dissenters, Protestant and Catholic, to
the University ; for undoubtedly on the face of the no-
tices he had read, it would appear to the great mass
of readers that these lectures, if rivt delivered within

the walls, at least formed a part of the course of
education sanctioned by the University of London. Ile
again begged not to be understood as objecting to re-
ligious instruction forming a part of education, for he
would not object to the whole of the New-road being
filled with chapels of every denomination of religion, for
the instruction of the pupils of the University in their re-
spective creeds. What he complained of was this, and he
urged it as one cause of the neglect which the University
had experienced from many of its early friends, that any
Professors of the University should take advantage of
their situation in it, and by the way in which they put
forth their notices, make it believed that the University
itself was giving its sanction to any one mode of religious
instruction, which would be, he contended, a departure
from the principles on which it was founded. Mr. Fearon
then went on to contend, that this must have been the
view of the itev. Mr. Dale, for in his introductory notice
to the pamphlet containing the lecture, there were these
words,—" It is the author's object to point out a few of
the causes which operate against the formal introduction
of theology into the University of London; to vindicate
his colleagues and himself from the imputation of having
neglected this most important branch of education."
Surely, continued Mr. Fearon, no vindication was neces-
sary for the Rev. Gentleman or his colleagues on this
ground, and they quite mistook the line of their duty if
they thought any such vindication was necessary on their
part. Mr. Fearon tlTn went on to show that this was
considered by mmy as an abandonmeut of the principle on
which the University was established. In the Quarterly
Review, in an able article written on this subject, were
these words—" The irreligious principle on which the
Gower-street scheme was established, is abandoned by the
success of the rival establishment." This, it was unneces-
sary to state, was a gross misrepresentation of the principle
on which the University was founded, but the notices of
Professor Dale called it forth. This feeling on the part of
many persons out of doors, that the University had departed
from the principle (certainly not an irreligious one,
but one which, respecting the conscientious belief of every
man, and therefore allowing all its pupils to follow, out
of the Institution, any religious belief in which they had
been or wished to be instructed), was rather encouraged by
a declaration of Dr. Lardner, who, at the Literary Fund
dinner, declared amongst other things, that " he, in con-
junction with other Professors, had persevered in hiS exer-
tions (to promote religious instruction), and he trusted
that their plan would satisfy all parties, even the very
warmest friends of the Established Church." No doubt
such a course would satisfy those friends, for it went by
implication to state that the system of religious instruction
to be adopted was that of the Established Church. Mr.
Fearon then went on to contend that this was conduct on
the part of thosa Professors which tended to mislead the
public, by making it believe that it was done with the
sanction of the University; that the Council ought to
take notice of it, and prevent similar conduct in future;
that it ought to adopt the example of King's College,
which, when a notice was made public of a mapzine,
ealled King's College Magazine, sent round an adver-
tisement to all the papers, disavowing any connexion with
such a work; and that if the Council did not adopt a s:-
lunar course with respect to such notices as those to which
he bad alluded, the public would very naturally conclude
that the University bad departed from the principle, not
of irreligion, but of universal religious tolerance, on
which it has been established. Suppose such an adver-
tisement as the following, which was only a paraphrase
of that of Mr. Professor Dale, were to be puleishe,l in
all the papers, what would he the impression of the public?
University of London.—The Oriental Divinity Lectures, es-
tablished for the benefit of students of the University, will take
place on the 14th of February, at two o'clock. John Borthwick
Gilchrist, LLD., Professor of the University, Lecturer. The
object of the Lecturer will be to infuse into the minds of the stu-
dents of the London University a reverence for polytheism and
idolatry,—a belief in the divine origin of the Bramins,—in the pre-
existence and in the transmigration of souls, and in the devout
and pious sacrifice of women burning themselves with the bodies
of their deceased husbands. Further particulars may be learned
of Mr. John Taylor, 30, Upper Gower street, bookseller and pub-
lisher to the University, and also of the Professor."

Would it not be believed that the doctrines here broached
were sanctioned by the University? After enforcing, by a
variety of arguments, the necessity of a correction of the
erroneous impression which the notices he had read were
calculated to produce, Mr. Fearon concluded by moving—
" That the Council be requested to revise the whole of its ar-
rangements as to the salaries, the numbers, and the efficiency of
the several officers, as well as the Professors of the University :
together with the amounts charged to the students ; and that the
Council be respectfully instructed to prevent in future such pro-
ceedings, on the part of Professors or other officers, as may tend
to compromise the principles upon which the University was es-
tablished."

The CHAIRMAN asked whether this resolution was in-
tended as an amendment to the motion already in his hands?

Mr. FEARON said he did not so intend it. He had no ob-
jection to the motion that the report be received, but he
would put his as a resolution after that was disposed of.
Colonel Jowes supported the motion of the last speaker,
and observed, that when this subject was before the last
General Meeting, his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr.
Brougham) had told them that Professors should not be
allowed to compromise the University by such notices and
advertisements as those to which the Hon. Proprietor (Mr.
Fearon) had adverted ; but since then, it now appeared
that no step bad been taken on the subject. The Hon.
Gentleman then went on to contend that it should excite
no surprise why Catholics and other Dissenters did not
come forward in support of the Institution, when they
saw, from such publications as had been noticed, that at-
tempts would be made to tamper with their religion. That
at least was the inference which such notices were calcu-
lated to produce. The Hon. Proprietor then proceeded
to contend that a due attention to economy was not ob-
served by the Council ; that the expenses of the University
in payments to the Warden and other officers were greater
than were necessary, or than the income of the Establish-
ment could yet afford; and that no Member of either
House of Parliament ought to have any concern in the
management of the funds of any public institution, for
they were so much acquainted with jobs—co habituated to
profligate expenditure of the public money, and so con-
taminated by the very air of the houses in which theyhold
their seats, that they were not fit to be intrusted with the di-
rection or appropriation of the funds of private individuals.
--(Laughter. )—He then proceeded to condemn many of the
acts of the council,—the appointment of a librarian before
they had a library, and of lecturers and professors at high
salaries before they knew whether they were to have pupils
to attend,—the appointment of certain professors at high
fixed salaries, such as Mr. McCulloch, as lecturer on poli-
tical economy, as if the Council believed that the salvation
of the country depended on his lectores ; and the salary of
3001. a.year to Dr. Lardner, besides the profits of his
classes. All these were matters on which he should like
to hear some explanation from the council ; for though he
did not object to liberal salaries being given to professors,
he should like to see some moderation observed, and some
consideration for the state of their income. lie also ob-
jected to the system of concealment as to the course which
the council adopted ; he would have every thing open, and
nothing hidden from the knowledge of the Proprietors. If
they went on in their present course, drawing upon their
capital, instead of apportioning their expenses in some
degree to their income, he would predict, that in 1832
they would become bankrupt; but it would be better to
prevent bankruptcy by timely economy, than to meet it
when it came. He would wish to know what was in-
tended to be done with respect to the ta,mpletion of their
buildings, and when the 31useum was to be erected ?
Colonel L. STANHOPE admitted that the system of edu-
cation adopted in the University was a good one, and that
the Professors ware men eminent for great talents and abi-
lities in their respective walks of literature and science. He
did not object to any expense incurred on their account,
but he must protest against such an exorbitant outlay of
the funds of the University as 1,2001. a year as a salary fur
the Warden. What was the necessity for such an officer
at present ? A Secretary, with a salary of 300/. a year,
would anewer the purpose just as well, and would be a
saving to the Institution of 9001. a year. He could not
believe that when the University was founded, such an
office, with such an exorbitant salary, was in the con-
templation of the founders, certainly not of the subscribers.
He would ask his lion. Friend the Member for Aberdeen,
who seemed, as it were, to be the guardian of the public
money in all public institutions with which he was con-
nected, whether such an extravagant salary as 1,2001. a
year aao a Warden ought to be given in the present state
of the Uniriaraity. It would take the subscriptions of
400 shareholders, or 49,000/. invested at 3 per cent. in-
terest, to support this one oflieer alone, and the suns was
greater than they paid to the Professors of Logic, Mathe-
matics, arid Political Economy. It was greater than was
paid to that distinguished Senator and most humane
Judge, Sir J. Maciiatoahc at the East India College. It
had been: prophesied last year that the number of students
wilt io doubled this year ; but that prediction bad not
been veriteal $ if it had, it might be some reason fur this
enormous expenditure ; but instead of drawing upon an
income derived from students, they were now drawing
'von their capital. He should like tar hear from his Hon.
P-rriend (Mr. Hume) what was the Report made ly the
Finance Committee of the Institotiop to the Council as
to the amount of the salaries and to the general expendi-
tures. lie understood there were serious differences among
the Council on this subject.
Mr. Betooorram said he !.ad no objection to the discus-
sion in which his two 1-101;. and Gallant Friends who
spoke last, and the Hon. Proprietor who preceded them, had
taken so large a share. On the contrary, there was nothing
wore aebtain thaw that every Hon. Propriety; 411941

' state to his brother proprietors any thing which he
• considered an abuse in the institution. He felt convinced
that every thing which had been urged was spoken in a
feeling friendly to the institution, and of general confidence
in the council; but though lie admitted this, he could not
concur in all the observations which he had heard. As
to the insinuations that the council had given any sanction
to a departure from the great principle which was, he
might say, the foundation and corner-stone of the institu-
tion, in giving any particular form of religious instruction
as part of a system of education within the walls of the
University, be was sure his Hon. Friends and the other
Hon. Proprietor were quite mistaken. The principle on
which the University was founded was, in that respect, not
one of indifference to religion, but one of real respect—one
of universal tolerance which kept aloof from any connexion
with any one particular form of religious worship more
, than another, for the purpose of leaving every person con-
, nected with the University at perfect liberty to follow
that which was most consonant to hie own conscientious
feelings. This was the principle on which the University
was founded ; it was that on which the Council had inva-
• riably acted, and he should be sorry to find that a con-
' trary impression should be found to exist to any extent;
for most certainly he could state that it would be
wholly unfounded. Now the charge made against the
council was, that certain advertisements and publications
• had been issued by some of the Professors of the University
, in such a manner as tended to compromise its sincerity
, by making it appear that such publications and notices
, were with its sanction. In support of this, an introduc-
tory lecture published by Professor Dale had been granted,
in which the words " University of London" were said
to be so used as that they conveyed an impression that the
lectures were either delivered in the University or pub-
, lished with its sanction. The first of these impressions
could scarcely be produced on any one person, who only
took the trouble to attend to what he read. As to the
second point, the impression that the publication of the
work, or giving die lectures, were with the sanction of the
council, he thought it would be seen, from reading the
whole of the title, that there was no connexion between
the " theological institution" and the University. At the
same time he must express his own opinion,—it was only
his own,—that the title ofthe work ought not to have been
given to the public in that way, for it did tend to mis-
lead some.—(Hear, bear.)—The use of the words
" formal introduction of theology into the University,"
were also objectionable on the same ground. This was his
opinion as an individual; but then the charge was, that
the council did not take measures to prevent such a publi-
cation. How could they? Surely none of his Hon.
Friends would advocate the exercise of an inquisitorial con-
trol over the conduct of the professors for what they did out
of the University. All that the council could do was to state
their opinions as private individuals, that they differed
from the professor as to the propriety of a particular course,
but beyond that he could not see how they could establish
a controul, without involving a principle, the exercise of
which might be found extremely inconvenient. The Ho-
❑ourable Proprietor (Mr. Fearon) had illustrated his argu-
ment by a supposed advertisement from Dr. Gilchrist,
offering to teach the Hindoo religion, or Polytheism.
With what object, save that of endeavouring to amuse the
company in this dry detail, this was introduced, he could
not see. Dr. Gilchrist was not a teacher of religion ; he
was only a professor of languages ; and why he should be
supposed to offer to teach the public the Gentoo creed or
the belief in Polytheism he could hardly guess; but taking
the thing as no joke, he would in good earnest suppose
that the learned professor alluded to had offered in such an
advertisement as the Hon. Proprietor had read, to teach
Mohammedanism, or Polytheism,—no very hopeful task,
he should suppose, in this country,—yet if he did fall into
any of those errors, and offered to teach them to those
who were willing to learn, so clear and defined was his
(Mr. Brougham's) principle of non-interference in religious
opinions, that he would never interpose the authority of
the Council to prevent that teaching, provided it did not
in any way compromise the sanction or authority of the
University.—(Hear, hear.)—All that he thought could be
done in such a case as that of Professor Dale, was to state,
as a matter of individual opinion, that the course he
adopted was not the most discreet one, and, though he
did not approve, speaking his own opinion, of the use of
any words tending to mislead, he could not agree with the
Hon. Proprietor in the reductio ad absurdum to which he
would bring the argument. On the principle of inter-
ference with the proceedings of the prefessors out of doors,
he would beg to add, that as long as the Council did not
interfere, there could be no responsibity ; but if they once
established that principle, where were they to stop? There
were 24 members of Council, some of them with many
pursuits, whose time was necessarily much occupied;
others with no pursuits, and he found that persons of that
class had most frequently least time to spare ;—(A laugh)
—but those 24 gentlemen—or those of them who could
and would attend to the business of the University—would
have their time constantly taken up with hearing com-
plaints of the publications and opinions of the professors.
One professor might give lectures on the Catholic religion
—another on the Protestant—another on Jewish theology
—in short, on many varieties of religious opinions; and
such was the force of religious feeling, and the weakness of
human nature in viewing the religious opinions of others,
that what one man stated would be considered as a
damnable heresy by the other. Well, in this variety of
religious opinions the members of Council would have
nothing to do but hear the complaints of some one party
or another against some or all of the doctrines broached in
those lectures. The Roman Catholic lecturer would of
course insist on the doctrine of transubstantiation, which
we had been in the habit of calling, until lately, the
idolatry of the mass; and they (the Council) would have
to hear the complaint of some conscientious Protes-
tant, who would say, " What do you think, Mr. Pro-
fessor So-and-so has actually declared that a man who
does not believe in the real presence will be damned."
Then they would have another complaint—. that a Jewish
Professor had actually declared in his lecture, that no '
man who did not labour under mental delusion could be-
lieve in the Christian religion ; and yet (Mr. Brougham
continued) each of those doctrines might be very conscien-
tiously held by those respective Professors. It, however,
the principle of interference was once adopted, the Coun-
cil should act in each of those cases; for when they once
began, they would be always taken to sanction that which
they did not disavow.—( Hear.)—He did not think the '
example quoted of the King's College was at all one which
it would be desirable to follow, for having once disavowed
a publication sent forth having some connexion with their
name, they would be expected to disown all others so
issued, and what would become of those which they had ,
no opportunity of seeing? It would, of course, be re-
ceived as coming with their sanction when it was found
that they did not contradict it.—(Hear, hear.)—lt was
thus with many public men—all kinds of rumours wholly
destitute of foundation found their way into the papers
respecting them, and if they once began to contradict each
as it arose, it would in many cases be the business of a man's
whole life to go on with such contradictions.—(Hear,
hear. )—He therefore would advocate the principle, parti-
cularly in such a case as that brought forward of non-in-
terference by the Council as a body. The Hon. and Learned
Gentleman then adverted to the argument, that the
apathy of some of the early friends of the University
had arisen from the publications and opinions alluded
to, and contended that this could not be the fact; for
that these publications and opinions were sent forth only
within the last year, and the great support which they had
received from their dissenting friends was within the first
six months. That support was most valuable he admitted,
and he saw nothing which should lead him to fear that it
would be discontinued. In every view which lie took of
the affairs of the institution, he saw ground for hope of in-
creased success from year to year, and he had no doubt
that in a few years they would be placed in a condition to
derive a large income from the increased number of students.
The Hon. and Learned Gent. next defended the salary of
1,2001. to the Warden, who was a most necessary and ef-
ficient officer. The salary to him had been fixed, because
he could derive no other emolument from his situation ;
not so the professors. They might derive an income from
their exertions out of the University, and their emoluments
would increase with the prosperity of the University.—
The appointment of the Warden was the act of the Pro-
prietors, and the salary to him had also received their sanc-
tion. However, the contract made with that gentleman
was open to review, should the circumstances of the Uni-
versity render it necessary. As to the prediction of his
Hon. and Gallant Friend, of their bankruptcy in 1832,
without any comment on the injudiciousness of that mode
of inviting friends to join them—(A laugh)—he would
only observe that there did not appear to be the remotest
chance of any such danger as that to which his Hon. and
Gallant Friend alluded. After alluding to the similar in-
stitutions to which the establishment of the London Univer-
sity had given rise in Manchester, Bristol, and Cape Town,
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded by expressing
his firm conviction that having already surmounted the
obstacles opposed to it, it would go on and prosper.
Mr. FREND contended that the publications alluded to
were calculated to create an impression that the So'ciety I
had departed from its original principles. 1
Colonel L. STannope, referring to the salary of the 4
Warden, said that justice ought to be done to the sub-
scribers as well as to the Warden, and that the salary of 1
that gentleman ought not to be greater than the Society
could afford.
Mr, IVAttoutyroN, adverting to the statement of the 4

finances of the Institution, contended that there was no
fear of their not 'being able to go on.
The Report was then agreed to.
In reply to a question from the Chair,

Mr. PECARON said he did not wish to throw any diffi-
culty in the way of the Council, and in the fear that an
appearance of division might be injurious to the Institu-
tion, the success of which he had sincerely at heart, he
would not press his motion.—(Hear, hear.)—He was the
less inclined to do' so, as the statement made by the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) would have the
effect which he sought. At the same time he would not
be understood as retracting any thing he bad said as to the
tendency of such publications as those to which he had
alluded.

Mr. HUME contended, that the Council did not suffi-
ciently attend to an economical disposal of the funds ; that
the salaries were too large, and obliged the University to
draw upon its capital, instead of limiting its expenditure
to its income ; and that if they could not succeed in raising
the income to the expenditure, they ought to bring the
expenses down to their income.

Mr. HARDY objected to the principle of making any
deduction from the fees received by Professors. The sa-
lary of the Warden was he also thought, too high.
Professors BELL and THOMPSON respectively bore tes-
timony to the necessity of such an officer as the Warden—
to the efficiency of Mr. Horner in that office, and each
expressed his opinion that that gentleman was not over-
paid for his constant and arduous duties. They also
stated that the Professors were satisfied with the mode of
remuneration adopted with respect to them, as they knew
that their emoluments must increase with the growing pros-
perity of the institution, of which there was every prospect.
The Duke of SOMERSET moved the thanks of the Meet-
ing to the Council, for their great zeal and assiduity in
promoting the interests of the University. He thought
the Proprietors had reason to be satisfied with the pro-
gress they had yet made, and he was happy to see that
their prospect of increased success was every day improving.
The Loan CHIEF Balton of Scotland (Mr. Aber-
cromby) seconded the motion, and bore testimony to the
earnestness and sincerity which the members of the Council
evinced in attending to the interests of the University.
The motion was put, and unanimously agreed to.
Thanks were afterwards moved to the CHAIRMAN; after
which the Meeting adjourned.

New Members of Council of the University of Landon,
appointed at the Annual General Meeting of Proprietors
on the 24th of February, 1830:—Stephen Lushington,
D.C.L. and M.P., John Smith, Esq., M.P., his Grace
the Duke of Somerset, William Sturch, Esq., William
Bingham Baring, Esq., M.P., the Hon. George Agar
Ellis, M. P:
IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.