The Sun.
London, England, 1830-11-03 00:00:00

the character of them is not what I think proper. He
marched pending a negociation—(Hear, hear)—he
marched while a negociation was going on with his accre-
dited agent, his son—he trepanned his subjects ; he
marched his armed troops to Brussels—(" No, no," from
the Ministerial side of the House ; " Hear, hear," from
the Opposition)—he marched his armed troops to Bros.
eels- pending a negociation, and the people were roused by
this act of perfidious cruelty—(d. No, no," and cheers)
and annihilated his army. The last act of his reign, his
parting account with his Belden subjects is fresh before
us ; it is known to the English Ministers, who call him
enlightened ; and if he have reduced the second city of
his dominions to flames, he no doubt gratified his desire
of vengeance against his revolted subjects, over whom he
was no longer to reign, and against the country he was
no longer to possess. lam unwilling to refer to other
events ; but was that, I ask, of such a character as to
call for any expressions of praise from an English
Monarch? A better cause, perhaps, might be found,
than that of the Belgians ; their cause was not so
good as that of the French, I lament several parts of
their conduct. The Belgians were only beginning to suffer
—the French had long suffered. I advocate not the con-
duct of the Belgians ; I think it not so praiseworthy as
the conduct of the French. I bold not she conduct of the
Belgians up to imitation. lam not her. to praise or defend
it • but I cannot free from blame those who compel me to
enter into the unseemly discussion, by making the affairs
—the domestic affairs of a foreign country the subject of a
discussion in Parliament, and a leading topic in the King's
Speech.—(Hear.)—l should not discharge my duty, if I
were not to say one word of Ireland. 1 declare that my
opinion is decidedly hostile to the repeal of the Union. 1
ascribe the extraordinary excitement of the last few weeks
in Ireland to the events in Belgium. There is no other
way, I think, to account for the rapid spread in that
country, within a few weeks, of opinions that, up to
a recent date, were confined to a few shopkeepers of
Dublin. I consider, however, that the events of Belgium
have been misinterpreted and misapplied by the people
of Ireland. The people of Ireland mistake the facts
of the two cases. How men in Ireland, who, I know,
rare zealesis friends of their country, can ground their
arguments on the similarity of the two countries, or how
they can be listened to with any respect, when they com-
pare Belgium to Ireland, I cannot understand. As a zeal-
ous friend to Ireland, I hope I may be allowed to point out
the discrepancy betwixt the situation of the two countries.
There never; was a more violent union, o more uncalled-
for and unjustifiable union, than that violent union between
Belgium and Holland. The religion of the two countries
was different, and. even hostile ; and though it in ty be par-
tially different between Ireland and England, between Bel •
gium and Holland the religion was totally different. The
language, too, was different. French was spoken in one
part, Flemish in another; and Dutch in a third. A speech
delivered in French was answered in Low Dutch, followed
by 'an oration in Flemish. The interest of the two
countries was different. France was the market of Bel-
gium—but a Corn Law w .s inflicted on her for the advan-
tage of Holland. They were, therefore, totally different
countries • and they were only forcibly united by the Mi-
nisters and men of the Holy Alliance, and nothing but
force kept them together. The people were at war against
each other. In the Legislature the 80 Dutch Deputies
were constantly found voting on one aide, and the b 0
Belgian Deputies on the other. In spite of all the de-
crees of the Congress, they were like oil soil water ; they
were kept united for a while by agitation—but when the
agitation was over, they separated again, each taking itse
own place according to its specific gravity. In Englarid
and Ireland the language was the same—the religion
was different, hut not in the same degree as in Bel-
gium and Holland ; and .in the Legislature the Irish
and English Representatives were never directly opposed
to each other. If the Union were done away, could
the advocate of the repeal suppose that the English
gentleman would continue those laws which now
allowed Irish matte and Irish cons free access to the
English market ? If the Union were repealed, would it not get
back that pure body which voted that there should be no agist.
ment tithe—that body so pure—souncOrrupt, as not to bevel/died
—that body which voted that it would not pay the tithe ofagist.
ment, while it compelled the poor man.to pay tithe in potatoes ?
no.l I know that in sonic cases the tithe on potatoes was
paid. if the Union were repealed, Ireland would get back this
pure body, and surely it was not desirable that body should be
revived. The case of the Netherlands could not apply in
ce; this instan to Ireland. I have given 'my opinion frankly on
these subjects thus early to the House and the country, that they
may, at this early period, by the expression of this resolution,
rescue us from the danger of war. I have no fears, no alarms,
no evils to apprehend from the situation of • France, I have no
fear that the revolution of that country should spread into this,
as has been insinuated in a, passage of' the Speech. I think, i
speak advisedly, when I say hat there is no danger of any such
events occurring in this country. We are safe, not because of
the wisdom of the King!, Government—not because of the care
of ministers—not because of Conosses—not because of next,
elation*; but this land is safe,its Monarch is safe, its Parliament
is safe, its institutions are safe.-.cafe from the contagion we only
witness at a distance—safe flaam the contagion of revolution,
because the Constitution has got in it none of that rottenness on
which contagion can fix its hold. It has In rt none of the pabulum
which can support the disease. There may be a few misguided
men—a few disconted spirits ; but the law wee sufficient to cope
with them. The people, lam persuaded, are sound at heart.—
They love the Monarchy.—(Some faint voices called out" No i"
we thought in the Gallery.) They might love a Republic in
America, but we do not love it.—(llear.) We love our Parlia-
ment ; 1 heartily wish it were purer, and then we should have
nothing to fear; we preferred our limited King, our limited
Crown. I will use the word prefer, because I know that it is
made the shibboleth of a party. fhe people of England pre.
ter a limited Monarchy, and with that an Aristocracy; for an
Aristocracy is a necessary part of a limited monarchy. The people
of England are quiet, because they love their institutions., I
wish well to the rights of the people, and by these rights I am
resolved to live, being ready to perisla with these rights, and for
them : because I think these rights are understood bythe people,
and are appropriate to their character and temper. Limited nue
web), and aristocracy are the best security for these rights ; and
1, for one, wish no change. I wish for no revolution; and I
speak, I am sure, the sentiments of the great bulk of the poWle,
who love the institutions of the country, who love monarchy,
and bye nobility; because, with the rights and liberties of the
people themselves these are all knit up together ; they have a
strong attachment, I believe, to our Government; and for my
own part 1 declare, that I would infinitely rather, if all these
must perish, perish with them, than survive to read on the ruins
the memorable lesson of the instability of the best human Intel.
tutions.—(Cheers, which were repeated in the gallery, followed
the conclusion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's speech.)
Sir H. PARNELL wished to make one or two r Nervations
only on what.had fallen from the Hon. and Learned Member for
Water ford, relative to Ireland. He did not mean to follow him
through all hilt observations, but he begged to state, that in his
decided opinion there was are general wish in Ireland for the re.
peal of the Union. As a proof of this he referred to the fact,
that the Hon. and Learned Member made an attempt last year
to get up. a public dinner to promote' the object, and completely
felled. He had advertised his object, he lied done every
thing he could to promote his object, but without success
—there was no dinner. At tine last general election, also.
not one word was ever said of the repeal of the Union. Ile
felt confident that the question of the repeal of the Union
did not excite general interest in Ireland. lie was surprised to
hear the Hon. Member say that Ire land had had received no be.
pent from the Union. What was the state of the connection
between the two cotmtries before and since the Union I Why,
formerly, the trade of Ireland was under numberless restraints;
and ever since the Union measure after measure had been car.
ried to get rid of these restraint's. How any friend to Ireland
could be blind to the benefit* she had obtained by opening the
Llrglish markets to her produce wren what he could not comprn.
bend, Let the Hon. and. Learned 'Member only fix some da4
for discussing the question, • and he would undertake tosatis
him that Ireland had obtained a reat many benefits ftom the
Union. He was satisfied that the Hon. -and Learned Member's
opinions were erroneous. He gave him credit for his intentioes,
but was, nes ertheless, of opinion that his plan would only add to
the distress of Ireland, trot remedy it. As for the 'consumption
of Ireland net having Unwound since the Union, that was quite
a fallacy, There were abundant proofs that the consumption of
Ireland had increased very much, and at tine end of last Session
the Committee, of which his Hon. Friend (Mr. 8; Rice) was
Chairman, bed elicited much evidence of the fact that IreLnd
had become Helier aptt richer every year. lie believed, inn fact
that there was no country In Europe, in which, during tire last
few years, Improvement had been MOTO rapid. When the Hon.
member spoke of the great distress of Dublin. he was convinced
that in his statement there was much exaggeration. iletrusted
that the Hon. Member would name an early day for going into
the discussion, in order to put at rest the erroneous expectations
that were formed in Ireland. tie would like to have secs the
Society allowed to pursue Pa course, which had been. put down
by proclamation ; he was sure that it wonid only have made the
errors, of its views, and tine errors of those Who supported the
Repeal of the Unime more manitbst.

Mr. M. FITZt.; Fit .ILI.I wished, before he replied to the ob.
nervations of the lion. Member Inc Waterford on Ireland, to say
a few words on the speech of his Hon. and Learned Friend; the
Member for York. fie begged, however, that his Learned
Friend would not suppose that he meant to hdlow hint through
the full, eloquent, discursive, and amusing speech with which
he had favoured tut Muse. In all the latter part of his lion,
and Learned Friend's speech relative to Ireland and the Condi.,
tution of this country, he begged leave to express his most
cordial acquiescence. His Iron. and Learned Friend had thought
proper to colour and exaggerate that part of his Male.ty's Speech
*Filet) related to the Netherland", but the Hon. and Learned
Merin t.taternents were not sustained by any arguments or
(nets. His iLun. Learned Friend violet not say that his Ma.
jesty's Speech erifbriied #;tdoctrine of interference without
wresting the words from Mar Idriesiaind. His Majesty's Speech
nihgOil to the disturbances it) ariut with ye et to the
pi, tees must say, that his 11 1.. and Leitrnel; Vrt.4,444 hfld
i
distorted the argietnc?it. His Majesty stated his regret that the
Government of the Netherlands tad not succeeded by its cone'.
notary measures in pacifying Its subierdit if the circumstance
h&j been omitted, wank] his lion. and Learned Friend have
been contented Y Ills Hon. Friend stated, that be was ever.°
from tr„am V.A. he conrineed that.'hls &Orin° Vat the hest
to secure peace ?' Ills Malitaty jtilmded to lielgium—;.a eountrY
e_ connected with this—and 'he vgpqrsed regret lilt it
witc"6 IlYvolved in troubles, the consequences- of wittiSch centhinot
rot',o% eep, He ditfbred fano and rammed Friend a.,
to his doetrines, aggl thought his Learned Friend's opinion was
not borne but by 11)4 lip had down the principle that non-
interference 'Was rite' Txil cat Of this topotry, and ha had re-
, purred to Mr. Pitt's perseverance in that principle • but were
mu rim facts or that case against him
fit otkid Vrt flurke's opiate», and interfered Crone „ would he
not ho„ oregerya tkis country from many'evils ?' Waif not
an otheeete for bites fitratike, 04* in the best:periods Pc
qr. Pitt 11111
our history Interferon,* had boon practised, did'not spy trt
at the present time non-interferettee 11,4 wile Wile Oilier; tt
tY to lie deterleinlgi by the nutzium of expediency, and Ye
„mutt* a to be acted on ifit were consistent with the safety
of the cmounii,- !t wax not the principle Or the poiicy Of this
country in former-UM.% 134 ring the Protectorate of Cromwell
and hi the previous reign of"attentrih, this country had con-
stantly and generally interfered in the fifths id otl;er countries,
6V.otrolving that the proper regiliation of the dolnettle-cdoicern.
Of these tiow„tricts was indisminsible to their own security.' :1.1)4) lien.and Lottrued isie,whpr far, -Yorkshire would probablY I"fil*
stir admit that in the case of Pelamitj s eouotry ought to have
Interfered;' for it waccontended ht'' Ili by 4fr. Burke and
-up yog, Viet we ought to:have Interfered and' preyet4to its
Argil* Ph! fp:ill/y9f his Moiettllt,MitlisteFs upou St!li
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