The Sun.
London, England, 1830-12-04 00:00:00

AL DE CHANTELALTZE.

What is your surname, your Christian name, your age,
and quality ?—Jrnn Claude Balthazar Victor de Chame-
lauze, 43 years of age; Ex-Minister and Deputy.
Do you acknowledge your signature at the bottom of
tint report to the King, which preceded the ordinances of
the 25th of July, and at the bottom of the India:thee of
the *rune day, fur the suspension of the liberty of the
press ?__Yes.
Du you acknowledge Laving signed the ordinance este-
blishin a new electoral system, the copy of which is
signed by M. de Pqronact
Did you participate in the ordinance of the seine day
for :to, dissolnrion of the C.hanther of Deputies, and anti-
,rsame day,, fur the convocation of the glee-
; , Yes.

e:* °.icipitte in the ortlinance of the 28th of
%trio to he in a state of eiege?—l believe
„, !re WuS abord in the Council without
•• ,y oproition, us it
,was-founded on a pusi-
v: Ir sa 1 by the oirettorsoweee,
'rho is the author of the report to the
-11 aware of the importance of this gees.
11; 11141144t0 to declare with sincerity. that I
ti,, . ur of that report. I shall add, that I
4101 it i tee of the orders of the King, and at the
• ~uncil, and that it followed, but did not
fovcobt, ..urea which gave rise to the ordinances of
th,tod. of J
Can plf, !,f.s how at what period the plan of the to.
i,cfrt wai 44 the ordinances of the 2bth of July wait first
loemed mall divan the question. The report aruu
mere matter of fortn, destined for the public, and quite dis.
tioct limn :the mitiouree in question. In regard to the
meoures,theniveiver, they were only etippte4, as fur as 1
can preeiattly, remember, after the 10th of July, or towards
die middle of that mouth ; they were subservient to the
definitive:result of Om eloctiona.
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Who is th 4 fiat outlaw of dui abrve plan ?.—Tbe
_ _

A. you had the luteritiva.to.diamelre the Chamber, and
to enspeud the Charter, why 4id you issue the writs for
the orovacation of the two Chembefe Y----That ,wua quite
au affair of the subaltern officers.

Why was M. do. Ragusa charged .with .the o
roloulend of
the drat taoitary division on the 27th of July bad no
share in any deliberation on that subject.
Do you know who gaol the order to fire on the people
on the 27th of July ?.—No,
Da you know who ordered tl.e troNia pr Luneville and
St Omar to march to Paris ?—Tha. Council did pot de-
liberate on thikt object.
Were not extrsconnary largesses distributed to the
'Wiens to induce them to Are on the people ?—I was
Loh, that a largess, 11110111. ting tie 4 month and a half of
their p.ty, had h.en given to them, 144 j became ac-
quainted with this fact only after the measure bad been
put in execution. The Council was not consulted, awl I .
do not know who urged that measure.

Do you know it the establ4ment of the coure pre.
votdeba kirol not been resolved upon by 44a council 9—No ;
and I maintain. that no measure of that kind w adopted.
' Had not the Council decided that a certain tuna* of
Deput:ea, and some 44.er persona, should be arrested ?
No,lleliberation took place ilia! Pout:lca on that rubject.

(5er.01,4 interrogatory, September Op NAV§ )
PittNf.E DE POLIONAC,

Who adviseil the King to form the Ministry of the Bth
of August?.-..1 have no reply t 4 wuice t() that question
I wes e.tllerl by the King to fulfil the funt4ono of Minister.
Can you tail us Min advised and wrote the apoAch pro-
nounced by the sing at the npening of the preceding
Session?--The determination was taken in the Council,
and as the greatest secrecy 4414)11 to be observed relative
to all that tool.: place in the Kinee Coptieil, it is impoe-
;ale fix the to answer that queittion.
Who suggest-pd. and dictated the answer of die Xing /-9
the address of the Chamber ?—I can but mike the same
reply. to all questions of this nature.
Do you know if mutt), putidisi. Pmrtionsties were die-
sniontissed in consequence of the electinue may be
seen in the Monitor : in regard to the 'Ministry of Way,
nu Measures we rep taken, except against three persons.
Who gave to the,' Duke tie Ilitgusa the orders contained
in tic ronAtlentisi order of the 20th of Jply ?-- I am com-
pletely igowsoct of the fact, both directly and indirectly.
I believe that ail or.ders of such a stature proceeded ht o
the 21t90r- General of the ()maid thin on duty, without any
nbligation en his part to eogioaunicoy them to the Mi-
Meier cif War. . . .

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Yotrestil ip Your lettitr to the cominission, thw when op
the QAill of 461/41.111 Deputies went to the beattlitsrl,
vas of the staff, you agre,44 !t'ith Marshal Ragusa to write
to the King, Did yutt du it, 114,4 what was the King's
answer ?--1 did write to the King, dui :1;1 Duke de Mt-
gnus
,wrot, u,lso ; but ha did not communicate tile Princes
ammer t i me; Whenever I shall be interrogated on witai
the King may have ;444r wiitten to me, a feeling of
rtspret and honour will (Adige Ago 1p obt,rvo the most
proln,frol ',Pence.
Derittg :0;v dart of the 2tith, 27th, and wait this
Kitig informed, 41 ,w).)ot took place in Paris afar
shat told ii that he ga4 e,q, regular account to the Prince,
f sin not 4104)144 ;tcith any of the military
moVettiwc which took place on both eittef to the streets
of '
14 it um., that you' tii.:1,14T.,1 the neighlmurl,otut of
til to 14,,,tA:1•01 i.k;t
441044 Were is iced 421t1t of July,
alcinst different pt*Sons; wit* it in cotv..joep:•.e of o.••de.
lilieroloo of tl:e Council tidally igtkoratit of that
sin ii iti(tr
You said iii yotAr li'.tter to the cutuntis.ion, that on the
notion% of the 261,11 you weot to St. ,Ctoud, anti engaged
ti„ King to annul the ordinance*, and to send M. de
L Mortemart to Paris to inform the t.ity of this mtookuro,

What was the result of your journey to Si. Cloud 7—Thu
King accepted our resignations, anti withdrew the ordi-
twice*. I introduced the Duke de Mortemart to bis
jesty; I left hint in the Cahin,t, and from that moment I
was a perfect stranger to all that took place•

In consequence of Paris being declared-hi state
siege, it appears from the 28th of July preparation ha,
heen making in the department of the Under Secretary t,
State for War, order to organize a council of war M
military commission, did you give soy orders towards it.
being organized ?—None. I was a perfect stranger al
that _WAS done, or that could be done in that respect, a.
well as to all that passed during the three days at Paris.
LisOire; an inventor of cotelinstible projectiles, was
it is believed, desired by several Ministers to furnish th,_s
projectiles, that use might be made of them against Paris
on the days of die 27th and 28th of July, Had you ay),
knowledge of this p—This fact is unfounded. I nev.l
!went ar►y one of that name. I have just read his petitki
to the Chamber ; it contains nothing but infan OA ca
!ninnies. _

the King other Counciliors besides his Ministers
—I know of noose.

THE COUNT DE PEYRONNET.

When the King called you to his Councils, was it wit)
the intention of mo,lifying the system a' cording to whiel
the Ministry of the Bth of August had been formed ?--I
app!ars to me that the King hail no other intention that
to render hi Ministry better able to 41:pport the di%cus.
sions of the tribune.

Was it you whO suggested and co►nposzd the prochunsr
tion of the King to the electors?--1 am not tl►e author,
hut the publisher of it. I had projscted one, but another
member of the Council read another, which was preferrea
to min►. It war wished, nevertheless, that some changes
should he made in it, and I made theth.

There were some troubles at Montauban at, the time of the
elections; it was supposed that the Ministry was not* a stranger
to them. What can you say on that head P--The only part that
I took in that ailltir swot by giving severe and positive orders to
prosecute without any delay or Indulgence all those who had
been guilty of troubling public peace..
Who is the author of the ordinance of the 25th of July, relat.
Ing to a new electoral system idea belongs to the Council,
the composition was mine for the most part.
Who is the author of the ordinance upon the periodical press P
—.I ant a stranger to its drawing up.
Can you say whether many Councils had been employed with
the discussion of the ordinance of the 25th of July P-1 do not
think that more than two Councils were held to deliberate tho-
roughly upon the system.
Was the Council unanimous with regard to the adoption of
the ordinances P—l think any honour engaged' to tell you that I
fear it would be breaking my oath were Ito reveal the details of
the deliberations of the Council.

In case that the Cuuncil had not been unanimous, are you not
afraid of being wanting in your duty to those of your former
colleagues who opposed the ordinances P-1 rather fear that I
should fail in my duty towards them by giving, for instance, ex.
planations which would be personally favourable to myself.
Itesides, by the signature ofthe ordinances, there was, at least
in that moment, an appearance of unanimity. There bad been
before, no doubt, some discussion, and of course a didbrence of
opinion.

It would appear from your answer that the explanations
you might give would be favourable to you; did you dlirer
from your colleagues P—You have many means of acquir.
ing the truth upon this point, without its being necessary for me
to give the explanations you demand.
We understand the feeling which has dictated your answer,
And we will merely ask you If M. Guernon de Renville dissented
from his colleagues P— M. Gummi de Renville did, in fact, ex.
press, in the two Councils of which I have spoken, opinions at
variance with the system that prevailed.

During the days of the 20th, 2.7tht and 2t3th of July, did the
Ministry render an account to the King regularly of what was
'Kissing at Paris?—lie Ministry never corresponded by written
reports with the King. It was the President of the Council who
corresponded In that manner; and although I have no positive
knowledge of the fact, I am convinced that he did not neglect
that duty on the days in question.
On the 27th of July orders were given for the arrest of a cer-
tain number of persons. What do you know on this subject P
I am entirely ignorant of the facts which are the subject of the
question, and of course tam a stranger to them.
Lisoire, the inventor of combustible projectiles, asserts that
he was desired by several Ministers. to furnish projectiles to be
tried against the city of Paris on the days of the 20th 27th, and
28th 01 July. Had you any knowledge of this?--This question
occasions nre the most painful feelings. The assertion is de-
cidedly false, as far as respects me..
Besides the Ministers, had the King other advisers P—l know
not, and you must feel that it does not become nre in any, case to
answer a similar question.