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evidence, and contended the prisoner was entitled to an
acquittal. He then called the following witnesses:—
Bright-,—ls a tailor. Prisoner had been in his
employment. Knew prisoner's wife. They lived upon
terms of kindness and affection.
Several other witnesses gave similar testimony.
The Learned JUDGE then summed up, and said the
questions for the Jury to decide were two ; first, were
they satisfied that the deceased came to her death by
poison ; and next, were they satisfied the poison was ad-
ministered by the prisoner. If they were not satisfied on
these points they would acquit the prisoner—if they were
satisfied then they must cony:et him of murder, for the evi-
dence afforded no pretext for a verdict for manslaughter,
and he was bound to say that such a verdict ought never
to be suggested where it was not borne out by the evidence.
The Jury then retired, and after an absence of twenty
minutes, returned, and found the prisoner Not Guilty.
John Dunning, who pleaded guilty to the charge of
uttering a forged order on Messrs. Drummond, for 501. ,
was sentenced to be transported for life.
William Ring alias Daniel Murphy, who pleaded
guilty to breaking into the dwelling-house of Richard
Ganthony, and stealing two watches, value 441., was sen-
tenced to two years' imprisonment, with hard labour.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, AUGUBT 15.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four
o'Clock.
Mr. Campbell, from the East India House, pre-
sented papers.
On the motion of Mr. C. WOOD, the Halifax.
Small Debts Bill was read a third time, and passed.
CORPORATE PROPERTY (IRELAND).
On the motion of Lord MORPETH, the Corpo-
rate Property (Ireland) Bill was reported, and ordered
to be read a third time to-morrow.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE.
On the motion of Sir GEORGE GREY the Re-
port ..)Vas received on the Administration of Justice
(parts of counties) Bill, and the Bill was ordered to be
read a third time to-morrow.
COURTS IN COUNTIES.
On the motion of Lord HOWICK the Courts in
Counties Bill was reported, and the Bill was ordered to
be read a third time to-morrow.
CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL.
The Report on the Consolidated Fund Bill was or-
dered to be received on Monday on the motion of Mr.
F. BARING.
EXCHEQUER BILLS' BILL.
On the motion the same Right. Hon. Gentleman
time Report on the Exchequer 13;11s' Bill was ordered to
be received on Monday.
MANCHESTER POLICE.
The Manchester Police Bill was read a third time
and passed, on the motion of the SOLICITOR..
GENERAL.

IMPORTANT TO LANDLORDS AND TENANTS.
—ln the Secondaries' Court, on Tuesday, an action was
brought by the lessee of certain premises in Seething-
lane, City, against a person named Moore, to recover the
sum of 21. Is. Bd. for one month's rent. The plaintiff let
the upper part of his house to the defendant, on an agree-
ment to give or take a month's notice to terminate the
tenancy. The defendant gave the stipulated notice, but
quitted in two or three days afterwards, leaving one of his
lodgers in an apartment she rented of him, and he did not
give up the key until the day before the expiration of the
notice. The plaintiff had, in the interim, gone into the
apartments several times, and with workmen, to measure
for improvements, and had also put up a notice that the
place was to be let, and it was contended the plaintiff had
taken possession and waived notice and rent. On the con-
trary, the case of Redpath v. Roberts, 3 Espinasse, 325,
was cited, in which it was held not to be a beneficial pos-
session, and the jury found a verdict for the amount claimed.
On Wednesday an inquest was held at the Lon-
don Hospital, before Mr. Baker, on the body of a fine
youth of twelve years of age, named C. Moore, who died
in that institution from the effects of a severe injury which
he received on the left side of the head from a part of the
machinery in her Majesty's Mint, Tower-hill. The jury
returned a verdict of " Accidental death,"
A Coroner's Inquest was held on Wednesday at
the Rose Inn, Farringdon-street, before Mr. Payne, on the
body of Theodore Clark, aged seven years, only son of
Mr. Toomas Clark, fishing-tackle-manufacturer. of 15,
High Holborn. It appeared from the evidence that, as
the deceased was playing with another boy at No. 3,
Staple Inn, last Saturday afternoon, he fell, head foremost,
through the window of the third floor landing. He was
immediately taken from the pavement, and carried to Mr.
Wilson, of 8, High Holborn, surgeon, who stated that the
skull on the fore part of the deceased's: head was very ex-
tensively fractured, and the bone driven into the brain, and
that he died in less than five minutes after the accident.
Verdict—" Accidental death."

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PORT OF LIVERPOOL. —A new and commo
dious dock is about to be constructed by the Ellesmere
and Chester Canal Carrying Company, oa the site of the
Herculaneum Pottery. It is to be to the southward of the
spacious dock now being formed by Lord Francis Eger-
ton, and which will be completed in about three months.
Instead of railways operating injuriously on canals, as was
at first supposed, it seems that they have really benefitted
them, as the carrying trade both of his Lordship's and the
Ellesmere Company have increased so much as to render
more accommodation absolutely necessary. At the south
end of the town a few private and wealthy individuals have
bought all the shore, from the Earl of Sefton and others,
from the Brunswick Dock to within a few yards of the
Dingle.—Liverpool Mail.
At about noon on Wednesday a loud explosion
resembling the discharge of a piece of ordnance took place
at a lucifer match manufactory in Queen-street, Finsbury.
the windows of which were completely demolished and
driven out by the force of the concussion. Mr. Povah,
the proprietor of the place, it appeared, had been mixing
together some of the combustible ingredients used in the
business, when by some means or other they ignited and
blew him back a considerable distance, where he lay in a
state of insensibility. Upon the arrival of assistance he
presented a shocking appearance, the flesh having been torn
from his face in several places, his eyes closed up, and their
sight, it is feared, irrecoverably lost. The unfortunate
gentleman had just recovered, after severely suffering from
The effects of a similar disaster that took place a few weeks
ago. He was conveyed in a cab to his residence in
Plumber-street, City road. In consequence of the re-
peatedly recurring accidents at the manufactory, one of
which not long since set fire to the place, and from the in-
flammable nature of the stock, which placed the safety of
the entire neighbourhood in imminent jeopardy, the inha-
bitants have prepared a memorial to the Magistrates of the
district, praying them to put a stop to the perilous trade,
although, in answer to a similar application presented to
them some time back, the Magistrates stated that they had
no power to interfere.
On Wednesday morning, as a young man,
named Fisher, groom of Lord Hillsborough, was exercis-
ing his master's horses in Hyde Park, the animal on which
.he was riding suddenly took fright, and started off at full
speed in the direction of Kensington. On approaching
the gate adjoining the little Horse Varracks, some person,
got before the horse to stop him, on which the excited
animal galloped straight through the small gate of the
barracks, striking his rider with great force against the
side-posts, by which his right car was torn off, his shoulder
dislocated, his collar-bone fractured, and other injuries
inflicted. He was carried into the guard-room, and thence
to St. George's Hospital, where he remains without any
hope irecovery.
CONVERTS TO CATHOLICISM.—We hear that
both the sons of the eccentric Sir Charles Wolseley. whe,
it will be remembered, two or three years ago renoupced
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to be married to a young lady of the same religion, and of
to Wednesda)
night Mr. Hampton had received no tidings of his balloon
although little doubt can be entertained that it has fallen
before this time. Mr. Hampton is confined to his bed by
the injuries he received, but they are not considered dan-
gerous. Should the balloon not be recovered, the loss to
Mr. Hampton will be very great.
The Dumfries Courier, speaking of the harvest,
rays, what the husbandman sighs for now is a high tem-
perature and an unclouded sky. The pastures are so
rough, and the herds and flocks so well fed, that rain
might be dispensed with till after harvest ; heat, too, is
wanted to swell the turnips, and render the potatoes mealy
and large. The rain that fell at seed time gave the roota
bags, and all the other kinds, a splendid start ; fly from
this cause was kept in abeyance, and should the back end
prove sunny and favourable, the entire breadth of bulbous
yield will be one of the heaviest that ever was grown in
broad Scotland. The hills and moors, ripening weather
granted, will give us this year a very great lift of them-
selves, and although our calculation of a crop and afourth
has been challenged upon very high authority. we would
still fain cling to it as regsrds oats and barley in the High-
lands, and lowland moors, mosses, and hills, wherever we
penetrated. In hundreds of instances we found the oats
most promising in bleak and backward situations ; and as
regards aggregates, it makes a wonderful difference when
hill-men are able to keep and give—do their own turn and
help a neighbour; in place of resorting to the low countries
for seed in spring and meal in summer.
BODY FouND.On Sunday afternoon, as a
working man was walking along the banks of the Regent's
Canal, Paddington, he discovered the body of a man in the
water. It was taken out and immediately conveyed to
Paddington poorhouse. He appears about thirty-five
years of age, and was respectably attired in a stilt of black.
No papers or documents were tound on his person so as to
lead to his identity.
About four o'clock on Wednesday morning an
extensive fire broke out in the. premises of Mr. Harding-
haw, Holland-street, Blackfriars-road. The inmates es-
caped by the door, and took shelter in one of the
neighbouring houses. At least a quarter of an hour
elapsed before the plugs were drawn after the at rival of
the engines, during which time the fire made extraordi-
nary progress. By five o'clock all the engines got to work,
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We find, on the inspection of the overseers' lists,
that an unusual number of persons have this year disqua-
lified themselves by the non-payment of their taxes. But
for this circumstance the increase of electors, which is large
at present, would have amounted probably to 500 or 600.
Brighton Gazette.
SHIPWRECK—ALL HANDS LOST.—During
the dreadful weather on Tuesday night last a vessel foun-
dered, and went down in the Bay of Dundrum, close to
Rengmore Point, with the loss, there is reason to fear, of
every one of her crew. Part of her boat was washed on
shore on the following morning, on the stern of which was
discover el the word Emily, in a semicircle, together with
some
learnedarticles
of wearingh apparel, but nothing more haser,
respecting except her mast appearing
above water at low tide.—Deivnpatr!ck Recorder.
How TO ESCAPE HANGING.—In the course
of an inquest held before Mr. Wakley, at the Bromley
Arms, Cleveland-street, Fitzroy-square, on Monday even-
ing, on the body of a man who, after cutting his throat in
a shocking manner, had sat up and caught the blood in two
separate vessels, a juror. who felt disposed to think that a
man who would take such precaution in cutting his throat
could not at the time be insane, also expressed his surprise,
in which many other jurors joined, that the blood had not
suffocated him the instant after committing the act. The
Coroner said that when persons cut their throats and se-
vered the windpipe the blood scarcely ever went down the
latter. On the contrary, the windpipe being open caused
a person to breathe freely, until nearly all the blood had
gone from their bodies. It was a common practice, where
persons were affected with stoppages in the throat, to open
the windpipe below the seat of the disease, to enable them
to breathe freely. In fact, it had been known, both in
this and other countries, that men who had been condemned
to be hanged had been cunning enough to open their own
throats
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hour, they were delivered over to their friends, who by at-
tention recovered them.
The Journal des Debats, in an article on the
postage question, exhibits the usual knowledge possessed
by our lively neighbours of our concerns. " Newspapers
in England are taxed as letters, which is sufficiently strange
placet
in a country where the liberty of the press had its birth ;
newspapers. are consequently sent only by coach." It would
be difficult to cram more blunders into the same number of
lines.

tice for a call of the House. Surely he had as good a
tight to say that the thin attendance was in favour of
•the Bill, as the Hon. Gentleman to say it was against it.
The opposition to the Bill in Ireland had been got up
very unfairly. The Bank of Ireland had been de-
nounced as an orange bank. A well signed requisition
was sent to a High Sheriff of a county—the meeting
was called, but so few of the requisitionists attended that
the meeting was adjourned sine die. The feeling, there-
fore, was not so strong against the Bill—the excitement
upon the question was not so strong as it was repre-
senteil.. He had no hope of conciliating the Hon.
Gentleman, but if the present course was pursued, he
would persevere, and postpone the Appropriation Bill
from night to night, until that Bill was decided
upon its merits. They might have successive divisions,
btr. the Hon. Gentlemen in the minority ought to
recollect that had the same course been taken
with the Penny Postage Bill, with the Emancipation
Act, or even the Reform Bill itself, neither of them
could ever have passed. Such a course would do more
to insure the Constitution than any course that could
be taken. Suppose the Bill were to be lost, would it
put an end to the Bank of Ireland? No ; but making
no provision for the debt to the Bank, and putting an end
to the present arrangements, must greatly endanger
and embarrass the money market in this country. He
was performing a public duty, and under all circumstan-
ces, and against every opposition would proceed with it.
Mr. ELLIS (of Newry) was not, for one, dis
posed to sit down under the castigation insinuated
against him for his conduct upon that occasion. The
Right Hon. Gentleman ought to remember who was
in fault upon the occasion. Who was the wrong
doer ?—.(Hear, hear.) Why bring in a Bill at so
late a period as to take all parties by surprise ?
The reason why meetings had Rot taken place was, that
it could not be believed that the Government would
persevere in this measure.—( Hear.) The Right Hon.
Gentleman had mixed up money arrangements with this
Bill which he might have kept separate, thinking that
by so doing he would induce the House to pass the
measure.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He should perse-
vere in the course which he had adopted in laying down
the principle that Ministers ought not to attempt to take
the House by surprise, and inflict such a serious injury
as would he inflicted by this measure.—(Hear.)
Mr. KEMBLE supported the measure, and con-
tended that the opposition now offered to it could do no
good whatever. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was
holding out a course of proceeding which, if acted upon
generally, must tend to injure the representative system,
and throw the whole of the business of the House into
confusion.

BOLTON POLICE.
After a few observations from Mr. GRIMSDITCH,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved the third
reading of the Bolton Police Bill.
Mr. BOLLING said the present Bill was wholly un-
necessary, however disturbed the district might be. The
present laws, if put in force in a proper manner, were
perfectly sufficient to maintain the peace. They had
now, besides the police force, 1,500 special constables,
besides the military ; Low then did it happen that Bolton
was at present in such a state of disgraceful anarchy ?
It ought to be known, and the fact was, that the Mayor
of the town was himself a Chartist not twelve months
ago—(licar, hear)—and lie very naturally felt qualms
of conscience in enforcing the laws against those with
whom he acted so lately. He felt it necessary to say
so much, for he felt degraded at the state in
which Bolton now was by the weakness of the
Mayor, whom he acknowledged to be in a very
awkwird situation. Bolton was his native place,
he had now the honour of representing it, and it. never
would be misrepresented while he had a seat in the
House.—( A laugh.) One of his letters stated, and he
knew it was the rumour in the town, that. the Colonel
commanding the troops had declared that he would not
again allow the men to come out to play at child's play.
Under a different and an efficient Mayor, with such a
force as he had under him, the peace of the town might
have been perfectly preserved. He felt it to be his duty
to protest against the Bill, as being unnecessary.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL was sorry that se-
vere illness prevented his Noble Friend from being in
his place to answer the observations of the Hon. Mem-
ber oppasite, but the occurrences which had recently
taken place showed the necessity for the establishment
of an efficient force. There would be the same number
of constables in proportion to the population as there
were in the metropolis, and if the people here were sa-
tisfied, he did not see why they should not be equally
satisfied in Bolton. He trusted the House would throw
no obstacle in the way of the Bill.
Lord G. SOMERSET said the town would only be
empowered to raise a certain sum, and suppose 40 men
were employed as police he did not think they would be
sufficient to quell any riot. Indeed he did not think that
riot.; and tumults could be suppressed by any police force
hick could be organized.—(Hear, hear.) He wished
to be informed whether any precaution had been taken
to prevent constables from voting ?
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL replied that there
was a clause which would effectually answer that purpose.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
COUNTY AND DISTRICT CONSTABLES
BILL.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved the Order
of the Day for further proceedings on the third reading
of the County and Districts Constables Bill.
Clauses up to 17 were agreed to with some verbal
amendments.
Mr. HODSON proposed the omission of the words
from clause 18 " in any counties adjoining thereto," so
as to give the police constable the right of voting at
elections for Members of Parliament for any county or
any borough or town in any county adjoining the county
in which he was constable. That-would merely be in ac-
cordance with the 18th clause, of the 10th Geoge IV.,
of the Metropolitan Police Act.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL had no objection
whatever to the amendment if it was the wish of the
House that it should be made.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw and the
House divided. There appeared—
Ayes 39
Noes l7
Majority against the omission of the
words 22
Lord G. SOMERSET moved a proviso to clause
16, that nothing contained in the Bill should invalidate
the appointment of parish constables.
Mr. PRYME objected to the annihilation of the
old parish constables. A provision might be made to
retain them, subject in cases of exigency to the orders
and control of the superintendent of the district.
Mr. W AKLEY would support a proposition to ex-
punge the clause altogether. It was of great importance
that there should be in small villages resident con-
stables appointed by the rate-payers, well acquainted
with the inhabitants generally.—(Hear, hear.) No
valid reason could be urged for retaining the clause
which was most objectionable. If the Noble Lord did
not propose to strike out the clause altogether he (Mr.
W.) would do so, and divide the House upon it.
Mr. AGLIONBY said all the objects of the Hon.
Member for Finsbury would be obtained by the intro-
duction of the words of the Noble Lord, but the propo-
sition made by the Noble Lord was of such great impor-
tance that he wished more time had been allowed for
its consideration. Considerable inconvenience would
arise whether the words were omitted or inserted. If
they were inserted there would be an additional expense,
because there would be a double set of constables to be
paid. If they were rejected then the newly appointed
constables would not only be employed as conservators
of the peace, but they would be loaded with all the
minor duties of the present parish constables, such as
serving warrants and so on.
Sir G. SOMERSET explained that he did not object
to the doing away with constables under local Acts,
but he did object to the doing away with parochial con-
stables, who could do neither harm nor good.—( A
laugh.) They might beneficially aid in preserving the
peace, under the direction of the Magistrates. They
were unpaid unless they did perform service. He mutt
persist in that proviso. It might not be right in words,
but he had been induced to conceive that the Noble
Lord would have agreed to the principle of it and taken
it under his own direction.—(Hear.)
The House then divided, and the numbers were—
For the proviso 3O
Against it
Majority against it
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved a proviso,
giving the Justices power to select—in cases where the
district constables should be appointed under this Act
—whether he or the high constable should exercise the
duties ordinarily performed by the latter officer,.
Mr. DARBY considered this was an unsatisfactory
way of going through a Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He felt
no small objection to this proviso.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL was understood
to withdraw it.
On the question that the Bill do pass,
Mr. D'ISRAELI said—Having objected to the Bill
at the commencement—though having abstained from
interfering with its. subsequent stages—he should no'
enter his protest and divide the House against it. The
Government seemed to forget that it was the duty of a
police, not less to respect liberty than to preserve tran-
quillity. The Commissioners who had reported on the
subject had reported that, in some parts of the country,
where the rural police were established, the policemen
were in the habit of entering cottages at night and ex-
tinguishing lights, Such proceedings, if once recog-
nised, would do away with the old English maxim, that
every man's house was his castle, and would form a dan-
gerous precedent for domiciliary visits in the residences
of the higher classes. The principle at which the Govern-
ment was aiming was that of centralisation, which be
believed to be detrimental to public liberty.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the passing of the Bill
Against it .
Majority, —32
The Bill was then passed.
BANK OF IRELAND BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
moved the re-committal of the above Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL moved that it be re-committed
that day three months. The divisions of last night
showed only a majority of thirty-nine upon all occasions.
But, Sir," said the Honourable Gentleman, " there are
certainly not forty Members present."
Mr. HINDLEY moved that the House be counted. POOR-LA
Forty Members being present, we were re-admitted, Earl STANHOPE presented petitions from the
and found governors and directors of the united parishes of St.
Mr. O'CONNELL moving that the Bill be re-corn- Andrew's Holborn and St. George the Martyr, the
mitted that day three months. In such a House, a Bill rate-payers of Southwar, of St. Clement Danes,
of so much importance to Ireland ought not to be pro- and St. Paul's, Covent-garden, against the Bill now in
ceeded with. It was most unfair towards Ireland, as progress, to give power to the Poor-law Guardians to
well as the House. collect the poor-rates.
Mr. HUME seconded the motion. ASSAULTS (IRELAND) BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said Upon the motion of Lord DUNCANNON the Re-
he did not proceed with the Bill upon personal grounds, port upon the Assaults (Ireland) Bill was brought up,
but against them. The Bill was essential for the public with a cIauseEXCISE added, wLICENSES BILL
hich was agreed to.
service, or he would not press it in the face of so much .
opposition from Gentlemen usually supporting the Lord LYNDHURST presented petitions against
Government. The Hon. and Learned Member for i this Bill.
Dublin ought nor to taunt him with the thin attendance Lord DUNCANNON moved the second reading
of Members, becaase he had not proceeded with his no- l of the Bill, the object of which he said was to enable

The gallery was then cleared, and the House divided,
when there appeared—
For the motion
Fur the amendment
Majority for going into Committee —l9
On clause 2 being proposed,
Mr. O'CONNELL moved that the Chairman report
progress, and ask leave to sit again. He had been
taunted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer in not fol-
lowing up his notice for a call of the House ; but the
Right Hon. Gentleman should not taunt him with not
dividing on every opportimity in opposition to the Bill.
—(Hear, hear.) Did not the Right Hon. Gentleman
know that if he had persisted in the call, be had not
the smallest prospect of succeeding? If he had had
the least prospect of success, he would not have given
way.--(Hear, hear.) The forms of the House were
certainly meant for something. They were intended to
guard tigainst such a case as the present—(Hear; hear)
—a calie in which a Minister of the Crown was able to
put down argument by votes. The question was now
to be decided in a House of sixty or seventy Members,
out of 638. This course was highly improper. He
would not shrink from the performance of what he con-
sidered his duty.—(Hear, hear.) The Chancellor of
the Exchequer had told him and fifteen other persons
two years ago, in Downing-street, that notice had been
given to pay off the Governmint debt to the Bank of
Ireland.
The C H ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, with
great warmth, rose and said—l wish to contradict the
Hon. Gentleman in the most distinct manner I can.—
(Order, order.)
Mr. O'CONNELL—And I wish to contradict the
Right Hon. Gentleman in the most distinct manner I
can.--(Order, order.)
Mr. ELLIS rose to order. The Chancellor of the
Exchequer had last night called on the Honourable
Member for Kilkenny to observe the rules of the House,
and he had himself been guilty of a breach of its
orders, in stating that he distinctly denied the statement
made by another Hon. Member.
Mr. O'CONNELL would pass that by, and come
to another point, on which he defied the contradiction
of the Right Hon. Gentleman—that he had made the
people of Ireland believe, by his conduct, that the boun-
daries of the monopoly would not exceed twenty miles.
Mr. FINCH rose to order. He observed a gentle-
man under the Gallery, taking notes.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
served that this was the first time he had heard any
notice taken of such a circumstance. It there was
objection to taking notes, it might just as well extend
to the Galkwy. Individuals below the bar were con-
sidered out ,ef the House, and that he had always under-
stood to be the law of Parliament.
Mr. FINCH said his objection' was not to the gen.
ticmen in the Gallery, but to an individual under tilt.
Gallery, and within the House ; and he was quite sure
although lie could not boast of so long an acquaintance
with the forms of the House as the Right Hon. Gentle-
man, that this was a course which was not usual. He
would appeal to the Right Hon. Baronet the Member
for Oxford, who had had considerable experience on
these matters, ai_d was confident that he should have
his support.
Sir R. INGLIS said it was in the power of any
Hon. Gentleman to say, " I spy a stranger."—(Laugh-
ter.) The moment any Hon. Member stated that, it
was the duty of the Speaker to move that the House
be cleared, that strangers withdraw.
Mr. FINCH said that having called the attention of
the Ho use to the subject he did not intend to carry 11
any further. •
Sir 'l'. FREEMANTLE said if the Hon. Member
wished to exclude strangers he certainly had a right to
do so. But he did not consider it a greater breach of
privilege for one person to take notes than another.
Mr. FINCH hoped it Would be understood that any
gentleman sitting within the walls of the House on the
benches occupied by strangers, might in future be per-
mitted to take any notes that he might require.
Mr. O'CONNELL then resumed. The country had
come to a state of great embarrassment—what with the
Chartists, the war abroad, and other things, the finances
of the country were in a state equal to bordering upon a
revolution.
Mr. ELLIS—Sir, there are not five-and-twenty
Members in the House ; I move, therefore, that it be
counted.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but several
Members coming in from the lobby and the library, a
sufficient number were procured to form a House.
On our re-admission, we found
Mr. O'CONNELL addressing the House. The
23 Members had swelled to 44 in double quick time—
(Laughter)—but they had now come again to the
caput mortuum of 23.—(Laughter.) He had been
taunted at the absence of Irish Members. Had he not
a right, in answer to that taunt, to ask the Right Hon.
Gentleman how it was that he had postponed the mea-
sure till those who were the genuine representatives of
the Irish people were absent? Was it not the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer's own fault that there were not a
larger number of Irish Members present ?—(Hear.)
No reason had been given why the monopoly of the
Bank of Ireland should exist.
Mr. ELLIS then rose, and with some warmth said—
Sir, there are not now 80 Members in the House.—
(Hear, beer.) I consider this course of proceeding ex-
tremely indecent, and I therefore move the House be
counted.
There being only 37 Members present, the House
adjourned at a Quarter before Eight o'clock.
tr VW'

HOUSE OF LORDS, AUGUST 15:
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woo'

sack at Five o'Clock.

A message from the House of Commons brought
up the Manchester Police Bill, the Commutation
Tithes (England) Bill, with their Lordships' amend-
ments agreed to, the Bolton Police Bill, and the Hali-
fax Small Debts Court Bill. The Judges' Lodgings
Bill, were read a third time and passed.
CHINA.

Lord MELBOURNE stated, in answer to a ques-
tion from Lord Ellenborough, that he had received
no official information from China connected with the
trade in opium, but he had no objection to lay on the
table copies of such information as he had received.
WAR IN THE EAST.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH wished to know if the
Noble Viscount was in a situation to afford any in-
formation respecting the proceedings of the armies in
the East?
Lord MELBOURNE had received no official
information from the British officers of the armies there.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said her Majesty's
Government had paid a high compliment to those offi-
cers, and it was rather singular that no official informa-
tion should yet have been given to the public on this
subject.

wholesale dealers in foreign spirits to sell any quan
above a pint which had been, in fact, long the pract
The Duke of RICHMOND said he felt it unnei
sary to use any other argument against the Bill tl
that it went to give parties the advantage of hav
broken the law by rendering legal those violatit
of the law.—(Hear, hear, hear.) But he object
to the dill upon other grounds. He called up
their Lordships to be consistent, and to give
this Bill the fate which a few nights ago they hi
awarded to the clause on the Irish Bill.—(Hea
hear, hear.) Again, he thought this Bill an unju:
attack upon a very large and respectable body of indi
viduals—licensed victuallers, who had the last few year
been subjected to repeated interferences of this kind, un
settling their trade and injuring their interests. The Bill
professed to be founded upon a report of certain Com-
missioners, who professed to believe that persons went
without spirits, because they could not get the required
quantity at the wholesale dealer's. The effect of this Bill,
however, would be to permit every man who chose .
to pay 5/. for a license to sell small quanti:ies of
forcii.,n spirits, for though the quantity might be con-
fined to more than a bottle, yet who would buy spirits
without tasting ? and the consequence would be, either )
that the licensed victuallers would be greatly in-
jured, or there would be a great increase to the con-
sumption of foreign spirits, which, their Lordships
would admit, would be most injurious. He never
had felt himself more confidently right than in moving
that this Bill he read a second time that day six months.
Lord BROUGHAM said, in moving the rejection '
of the Irish Bill, he had stated a cause, namely, the
lateness of the Session, which equally applied to this :
case.—( Hear, bear.)
Lord LYNDHURST said the Bill having been
introduced in March, and not being considered likely to
pass the other House, its promoters had postponed it
till the 22d of July, when 500 Members were gone.—
(Hear, hear.)
Lord DUNCANNON said he thought the Bill
would be of public utility.
The Duke of RICHMOND'S amendment was car-
ried without a division.

BIRMINGHAM.
Lord BROUGHAM rose to present a petition, to
which he begged their Lordships' best attention. It
was from the Corporation of Birmingham. Their Lord-
ships were aware that doubts existed, perhaps with
some foundation, as to the legality of the charter which
had been granted to that Corporation, and a rate
levied under it having been disputed, the question
Would soon be decided in the Court of Queen's
Bench. In the meantime, of course, the charter must
be assumed for all intents and purposes legal. The peti-
tioners stated that having through this dispute found
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a loan of ten thousand pounds, for establishing
an efficient police force in the town, but that he had
altered his original design, and introduced another mea-
sure whereby the control of the police would be
placed wholly under the control of Government •
Commissioners. They respectfully, but earnestly,
protested against this measure, as an unjust infringe-
ment upon their corporate rights, to which they
had been elected by a suffrage which, though nominally
household, was in reality a 101. franchise. The peti-
tioners did not see any reason to anticipate any repeti-
tion of those scenes that had hitherto taken place at
Birmingham. The principal offenders had been pu-
nished, and those that remained were convinced of
the fruitlessness of their attempts. The town was
now in a state of snore than usual tranquillity,
and freedom from political excitement. He (Lord B.)
having examined the case as fully as possible, was deci-
dedly of opinion that it would be a dangerous thing tes
attempt, as was the object of the present Bill, to east
a stigma upon the Corporation of Birmingham.—( Hear.)
METROPOLIS IMPROVEMENTS.
Lord DUNCANNON moved the second reading of
the Metropolis Improvement Bill.
Lord ELLENBORUGH presented a petition from .
the Marquis of Salisbury, complaining of the provisions •
of the Bill, which, although it would have the effect of
greatly injuring his property, he bad received no notice
of. The petition prayed that the Bill might be referred
to a Select Committee.
Lord DUNCANNON would not make any objec-
tion to referring the Bill to a Select Committee. The
Committee that had sat upon the Bill had recommended •
the improvements, and therefore it was that it had been
introduced.
The Duke of WELLINGTON thought that
the interests of individuals should be attended to
Under the Bill.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered
to be committed to the Standing Order Committee.
The Stage Carriage Duties Bill was read a second
time and ordered to be committed.
The Earl of WICKLOW trusted that the Govern-
ment would adopt souse course with respect to the duty
on Post-horses, as that tax was at present felt to be a
great burthen.
BIRMINGHAM POLICE.
Lord DUNCANNON then moved the second read- -
Mg of the Birmingham Police Bill. The object of the
Bill was to enable the Treasury to advance to the town
of Birmingham the sum of 10.000/., for the purpose of
forming an efficient police in that town. The Noble
and Learned Lord had presented a petition a,rainst the
Bill, the only part of which that could be objected to
by the inhabitants of Birmingham was the mode in
which the police were to be appointed, and in that
respect the Government had followed the same
conrse as that which had been adopted in the
Metropolitan Police. In the present state of the
town of Birmingham her Majesty's Government had
thought it essentially' necessary that such an establish-
ment
of police should be made, and under these circum-
stances he proposed to their Lordships to approve of j
the principle of the Bill, leaving it to be considered •i
in its details in Committee.
Lord BROUGH AM felt bound to enter his protest
against the proposition of the Noble Lord, because it
would have the effect of undoing m August. whet had
been done in the previous October. If in Oztober the
town was deserving of the confidence of the Govern-
ment so far as to induce it to grant it a Corporation
then, by which it conferred upon the town the privilege
of appointing, its own :Magistrates, he did not see any
case that had been since made to induce the Govern-
ment to adopt a totally different course, and retrace
the steps it had hitherto trod. To undo in Au-
gust what had been done in October was casting
a stigma upon the town which he seas sure it did not
deserve. He thought it a most unjustifiable proceed-
ing to take from the town the arrangement of its own
police. The very fact of making it a corporate town
gave it the power of appointing its own police, and the •
object of the present Bill was to take that power away.
So that, in fact, the town had got the name of a corpo-
ration but functions they had none. Was not the
adoption of such a course saying that the people of
Birmingham were not fit to exercise any of those func-
tions which a corporation gave them ? He had never
heard yet of such an attempt being made except where
a corporation had abused its functions. Now, what
charge had been brought against this corporation. The
petition he had presented had very justly stated that
they were not only not convicted of any offence, but no
charge had been made against them. If there
was any charge against an individual that was not
a charge against the body. Some charge had been
made against his friend the Mayor of Birmingham, but
from what he had heard, that was rather to be ettri-
buted to an error in judgment on the part of his bro-
ther Magistrates than any thing else. But was such a
circumstance to disqualify a Corporation from exercis-
ing the functions that had been granted to them. They
were by this Bill putting the Birmingham Magistrates
upon their trial, and before the inquiry was commenced
they were stigmatising them by the joint sentence of
Queen, Lords, and Commons. They would be stig-
matized by the Act of Parliament, as being no longer
worthy of exercising those important functions with
which this very Parliament had invested them a few
months ago. But there had been no accusation against
the town of Birmingham, and yet they were to be thus
stigmatized. It would be a stigma thrown upon the
whole corporate body, as well as upon the thousands of
inhabitants who had elected the Town Council . There
had been an objection to one or at most two of the
Justices. These Justices, however, had done their
duty as well as any of the others ; but if there had
been the gravest objection to them all, that
would have formed no ground for so objectionable a
measure as this. If there had been any improper ap-
pointment of Justices, that appointment had been with
the present Government. If this Bill were passed,
notwithstanding the lateness of the Session, the Man-
chester and Bolton Police Bills must be passed also.
The Noble and Learned Lord felt quite certain, that if
the appointment and management of the police were to
be left to the Town Council, that peace and tranquility
in Birmingham, which had been restored, would be con-
tinued ; but if not, he could not look forward to the
end of the discord this Act might occasion. His ob-
jection was to the taking away from the Town Council
the appointment and management of the police, and of
investing the same in a Commissioner. Let that clause be
removed, and he should no longer object to the second
reading ; but as it stood, and with his sentiments on the
subject; he felt bound to move as an amendment, that
the Bill be read a second time this day three months.
Lord MELBOURNE would have been much more
satisfied if the functions affecting this police could have
been performed by the corporation of Birmingham ; but
that could not be. A legal objection had been taken to
their constitution, and they could not perform those func-
tions. Nor could he agree that without an efficient po-
lice force the tranquillity of Birmingham was likely to
be as, or more, permanent, than it had been before this
tumult had broken out. But the power of the Town
Council being impugned, they had not the power to raise
a police rate, and this Bill was rendered absolutely ne-
cessary to supply a deficiency of authority, and for imme-
diate steps to be taken to preserve the public peace of
Birmingham. The Bill stigmatized nobody—it inter:
fered with no trial—it interrupted no inquiry, nor bad it
any of the offensive effects attributed to it by his Noble