The Sun.
London, England, 1839-08-10 00:00:00

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for the Vote by Ballot ; that was denied, yet on all hands
they were ready to admit corruption and intimidation were
rife in the country. Where was the hope for the people
hheewar.2 0
if the House would not grant redress? He maintained that
every vote in the present tedious and unsatisfactory Ses-
t
sion had given the people reason to complain.--(Hear,
could they allhethis
b e was
surprised true,
andthathethie enhrcol-14- apile were
ledthldiitse was,
tented and dissatisfi'ad ? He believed.' however, that it
VVFS not yet too late to retrace their stes. He believed
f they coniesset their Itt • r errors and assent to these reso-
Wire as, they would give satisfaction' the lea people.—
( Cheers.) Much discontent
would be removed; many a
man's life would be saved, and- the use ©i=many a bayonet
discontinued.—( Hear, hear.) If the House adopted his
resolutions it would be a guarantee that they Were deter-
mined to do something—that their minds were fully made
un toiceanee their course of leeislation for the people's
good. The Hon. Member concluded by the
resolutions. moving
resolutions.
Lord J. RUSSELL mint. admit that the Hon. Mem-
ber. considering the extent of his resolutions, bad not ad-
dressed the House at any great Length in support of them,
and as the Hon. Member had not thought proper to gointo
any detail he should also fallow that course.. The main ob-
ject of the resolutions seemed to be to call upon the House
to resolve that if they had taken a different course. with re-
fereree to certain measures, the discontents in the country
would not have existed to the extent th•.iy did at proseuL Now
with respect to many questions to which the lien. Mem-
ber had adverted, it WOS clear that those who had raised
the discontented cry were the sole cause of their complaints
not being taken into consideration. With reepect to
taking into consideration the state of the Corti-laws, he
was in-favour of that, if a general opinioa had been ex-
pressed on the subject on the part of the people; and he
thought it Was not at all improbable that that motion
would have been attended with success, but for the great
opponents of the measure, who signed the petit.* for the
Charter, whose object it was to prevent petitions coming
to that House. So likewise with regard to the motion for
establishing the Vote by Ballot. He had had heard many
arguments against the Ballot strongly put, but none
with more vehemence than those in the Chartist news-
papers.—( Hear.) So much for two' of the measures
which the lion. Gentlensan had said would diminish the
discontent of. the people. With regard, likewise, to the
question of the Corn-laws, which the Hon. Gentleman bad
put rather invidiously, he must say a few words. A good
deal depended maim view which lion. Members took re.
garding those questions. Many Hon. Members said that
the present system of Corn-laws bore hardly on the agri-
cultural poor and a large portion of the labouring popula-
tion: He was sure that tin se. Gentlemen spoke sincerely,
but still-his ( Lord J. Itussdl'6) opinion was, that a repeal
of the Corn-AL/wit Would deplive those-people of the means
of sustaining their families.—(Hear, bear.) That was
his opinion,; and those who co-operated with him
supported him. The Hon. Gentleman complained
that justice was not Cheap and accessible to all. He de- I
nied such to be the disposition of the .1
-louse.—(Hear,
hear.) He admitted that the grievance of Church-rates
was still unredreSsed that subject would. remain for the
consideration of the next Parliament. He Must protest
against the resolution that the people Could -have- no hope
that the House would redress their scat' and political
grievances. He ( Lord John Russell) was ready to sup.
port any proposition for this purpose which he could agree
to; or, perhaps, he could bring forward a measure himself.
Looking ever a period of ten years, be ,must beg. leave to
say that he ( Lord John Russell) had not shown himself
backward to redress social and political grievances.
And -he might say that in general that was the character
of the House.—(l-lear, hear.) It was, therefore, most
unjust to throw out such insinuations. The Hon. Gen-
tleman -said* that the House had refused the prayer of a
petition signed by more than one million of men. ,But
the real question was whether the House was prepared to
give Universal Suffrage; Vote- by Ballot, Annual Parlia-
ments, and an abolition of the property qualification.
The petitioners made those propositions absolute,
and would accept nothing nuless the: whole of their
demands were conceded. lie -had 'opposed the con-
sideration of the petition, bute the petitioners could not
complain that he ( Lord J. Rtissell) had ,deceived them.
And he thought that those gentlemen who had rejected
the petition, and yet could bring forward propositions
about Household Suffrage and Annual Parliaments, would
do more evil than good by irritating the minds of the
people.—( Hear, hear.) Other propositions in the peti-
tion might be good ; but he ( Lord J. Russell) would con-
tend that with respect to the Chartists and -the-Gerieral
Convention their object was to incite the people to arm and
seize the property of others, and that, they would not be
satisfied until they had changed places in society. and
placed their leaders in the positiou of the formera--( Hear,
hear, hear.) He believed it was for thaw objects that the
people had been deluded. He was determined to support
our authority at home and abroad ; therefore, in the case of
Canada especially, he had deemed an iect case of our mili-
tary force necessary, though be hoped the question disturb.
ing that colony would be soon set at rest. Mill a
strong military force would be necessary for
some time., On the whole, therefore; he disagreed
with the Hon. Gentleman, .as.- his motion. went
to censure both him and the Government, and; therefore,
he must vote against the reaoltations.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. WA KLE Y thought the Noble Lord had mis-

taken the resolutions of" his Hon. Colicaoe. They did
not censure the Ministers, but the House, which he thought
was infinitely more to blame.—(Hear,
.hear.) - Tnit
House seemed to have no real sympathy for the fights
and sufferings of the people. Wh-en tltey wanted tailx•ht
their battles with the people, and to enrol thcim in .the
military, or the police, they called them the good valiant
people; but when they wanted to beep down their libtrties
they called ererY, thing required .by the people bid. 'For
his part, he Ifoped .the people would continue
content, and make the House soon feel it..-.-(Hear; bear.)
But then it was said the commercial:
.classea had
protection; but they replied, if they wero -given fair
play they stood in need of no
.proteetion--givo them
a free trade in corn and they stood in deed of no proteotion
against any country on the globe, but while they
continued to tax food, of course-they stood in need of