The Sun.
London, England, 1839-06-12 00:00:00

HAYTIAN COFFEE.
Mr. THORNELY would postpone the motion o
which he had given notice, if he were given to under•
stand that any negociations were pending on the subject
COLONIAL AFFAIRS:

Mr. WARD would postpone the motion of which he
bad given notice to this day fortnight, in consequence of
the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for London.
INVESTIGATION INTO CHARITIES.

Mr. WARBURTON would ask the Hon. Member
for Southwark whether he would postpone the motion
of which he had given notice, so as to give way to his
Hon. Friend the Member for London.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY did not consider that the
question as to whether the Ballot was to be an open
question was of more importance than an investigation
into charities, but he considered that the excitement
would be so great that it would be impossible to get
the queAion considered, and on that ground he would
give way.
Mr. 'WILLIAMS on the part of the Hon. Mem-
ber for Kilkenny (Mr. Hume) postponed the motion
on the subject of the B ink of England till this day
week.

Mr. VILLIERS postponed his motion on the sub-
ject of the Timber Duties till July 2.
Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that be should, on
an early day, move for leave to bring in a Bill to Amend
an Act for the better administration of justice in the
Court of Exchequer in Scotland.
ROMAN CATHOLICS.
Mr. O'CONNELL postponed till this day fortnight
the motion of which he had given notice for leave to
bring in a Bill to enable Roman Catholics to hold
the office of Lord Chancellor, and certain offices in the
Ecclesiastical Courts in Ireland. The Honourable
and Learned Member stated it would then be his duty
to explain fully the grounds on which he founded his
motion, in consequence of some insane remarks that
had been made elsewhere.—(Laughter.)
KING'S PRINTER (SCOTLAND).
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, it would be ex-
tremely ageeeable to the feelings of the people of
Scotland, if the Noble Lord opposite would give an out-
line of the precautionary measure he intended to intro-
duce relative to the expiration of the Patent of King's
Printer in Scotland.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was not intended to give
to individuals, or to any Corporation, the exclusive right
of printing Bibles, with a view to a profit, which might
enhance the price of copies of the Scriptures. The
Right Hon. Gentleman was fully justified in asking
him the nature of the precaution it was proposed to
adopt. What was proposed was that the Crown should
by charter incorporate certain limited number of persons,
say five persons, to whom should be granted the exclu-
sive right of printing. That Board would consist of
the Moderator of the General Assembly, three Divines
of the Church of Scotland, and two laymen, but mem-
bers of the Church of Scotland.—(Hear, hear.) And
if the Board should consist of any larger number of
members, it would be constituted in the same manner.
That Board would have the exclusive right of print-
ing Bibles under certain conditions. One would
be that they should print only the authorised version
of the Scriptures—another, that they should have the
power of giving the " imprimatur" to any publisher,
upon condition that he should give security to print
only the text as the authorised version. With those li-
mitations it was proposed that there should be no pre-
ference given to any publisher. That Board would
have the same power which the Crown now possessed ;
so that in case any person should print a mutilated or
unauthorised version of the Scriptures, they would at
once he stopped by an injunction. He had consulted
with the Lord Advocate and the Attorney-General,
and they were of opinion that there was no
necessity whatever for legislating upon the subject,
as the Crown had the power at once to stop any such
proceedings. To-morrow, or next day he would give
in writing the heads of the plan as it was requisite it
should be known.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said nothing could be more
satisfactory than the explanation of the Noble Lord.
When the Noble Lord gave the promised plan in writ-
ing, he would communicate with the authorities in Scot-
land, and see whether it was satisfactory.
Mr. WILLIAMS complained that he presented a
petition from Mr. Wells, respecting the finances of the
country, which was ordered to be printed—it had not
been so, and it appeared on the Journals of the House
as if it had been ordered to lie on the table.
Sir G. CLERK said lie did not see why that
House should be charged with the printing of pam-
phlets.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said, in his opinion, the writer
wished to put a speech in the form of a petition, and
that such a course ought not to be sanctioned by the
House.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. WILLIAMS said the petition contained much
useful matter regarding the finances of the country.
Mr. P. THOIVISthst said that was just the reason
why the petition could not be printed by that House,
because it was a mere general discussion upon financial
policy.—( Hear, hear.)
An HONOURABLE MEMBER of the Printing Com-
mittee, said the Committee were of opinion that the
petition should not be printed, because it went into
matters of general policy.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. FIELDEN said the Hon. Member for Co-
ventry having given notice that lie would bring the
subject of th petition forward, had a right to have
it printed.
The SPEAKER • said undoubtedly. The House
had ordered the petition to be printed.
Sir G. CLERK immediately moved that the order
be rescinded,—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WAKLEY said the Hon. Baronet wished to
prevent any body from reading the petition ; perhaps,
because it contained matter which would be objection-
able to the House. The Members of that House were
too insensible to the effect necessarily produced upon
the public mind, by the manner in which they received
the petitions of the people. The restrictions which
were imposed in that House upon the presentation of
petitions were such, that the other House was really
the popular House in this respect—it was in the other
House only that petitions might properly he discussed.
In this House, if a Member wished to read a para-
graph or so of a petition, there was such an outcry
against him that he soon became confused, and unable
even to state the substance. The regulations as to
petitions must be revised.—(Hear, hear.) Petitions
were, in fact, only " bagged" by the clerk—(a laug'a)—
no living being ever heard of them again.—(oll, oh.)
To be sure, they were referred to in Committee, which
prevented any body else from seeing them—(No, no)
—the Committee might determine whether they should
be printed, but was that House to be governed by a
Committee?—(Hear.) If Members were not allowed
to state distinctly the allegations of every petition, that
House would, if possible, sink lower in the estimation of
the public.—( Hear, and a laugh.)
Colonel CONOLLY said the Hon. Member for
Finsbury was quite mistaken as to the Printing Com-
mittee. Petitions could be referred to with the greatest
ease, and every facility was given for the purpose.
Mr. AGLIONBY thought that notice should be
given of the order being rescinded.—(Hear, hear.)
If not, he should be able he hoped, to show the House
that the petition ought to be printed.
Sir G. CLERK said, the order for printing the peti-
tion had been obtained on Friday night, when it would
be recollected the House was deserted for several
hours previous to the Counsel being heard against the
Jamaica Bill. Certainly had the attention of th..
HouSe been called to the petition, it would never have
been ordered to be printed.— , Hear, hear.)
Mr. FRESHFIELD said it was not fair in the Hon.
Member for Finsbury to represent that. petitions were
not attended to in that House, Twenty-seven Reports,
of very considerable bulk, had been presented by the
Petition Committee—and to punish the Hon. Alember
he should like to make him read them all.—(Laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
a copy of the paper had been sent to him ; he could not
think it a fit document to be printed by that House.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For discharging the Order
Against it _ •.. 33

`Majority for discharging the Order ... --48
Mr. WILLIAMS hoped that he might be permitted
o withdraw the petition.
SCOTCH FACTORIES.
Lord ASHLEY wished to ask the Hon. Member for
Finsbury whether he intended to bring forward the
motion of which he had given notice relative to the
case of three Scotch manufacturers this evening.
Mr. WAKLEY bad come down to the House that
evening with the full intention of bringing it forward ;
but be understood that the Government intended to

oppose it, and he did not think he could bring it forward
on this occasion with the slightest chance of success.
The lion.Alernber for Penryn, who had precedence ofhim,

would occupy the attention of the House for three or four

hours, and as he did not think he stood the slightest
chance of being able to carry it, without the assistance
of the Noble Lord opposite and his friends, he would
postpone it to this day three weeks, when he should
certainly bring it forward, and press the House to a
division.

Mr. FOX MAULE would protest against the course
pursued by the Hon. Gentleman. Here was a motion

conveying an attack upon the character of a public ser-
vant, and which was put off from day to day, for this
was not the first postponement which had taken place—
this was not only unfair to the individual whose character
was attacked by it, but it was also unfair to those who
had that character to defend, and who had other most
important business to attend to. lie had come down
that night fully prepared to meet the motion.
Mr. WAKLEY would beg to state that he had not
postponed it, he had coma down with a fixed determi-
nation to bring it on. He had lost no opportunity of
bringing forward this subject ; but Ile bad no prospect
of success if he brought it forward to-night. The
Government had actually whipped up opposshon to his
motion. lie begged to state that there was no attack
on the character of Mr. Stuart, he was not refer:cd to
in the terms of the motion ; at the same time, bad he
done so, he should haTo done no more than Mr. Stuart
had done by three helpless men ; at the same time, he