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to the Crown was a Catholic. Ent such a ense might
exist. The presUmptive hair to the Crown might be
a Catholic, and then his exclusion would be a hard-

al3owc3 to make and to administer titlaccts, ought

to snhtrit to some teht- of their determination inV-10,
, !ably to maintain- that establishment. ., ~
! Lord Tiowom entered into a' tong and
.minute
historical deibuci of the Catholics, and concluded
with giving his hearty concurrence in the motion. .
',old AtiCIECA NO thought the. Catholics of Ire.
. land should be satisfied with the concessions already
made to them. If they saw no tertn to their de.
mands, the House Sho u I d see some end to their con-
. cessions... the present w-as the point, in Jiisolitnion,
at which their Lordships must mike a stand.

§hip ; but that was not.to lie set against the s3fety of
theyretestaer Establishment: Our allegiance to the
Howie of Brunswick was paid, not because it.was

the. House of Bruuswick alone, but because it was a

Protestant House. If it was necessary that the King
of Great Britain should be a Protestant, was it not

necessary that his advisers should be so too ? That
the Lord Chancellor (the keeper of the king's con-
science), the Judges, and the great Officers of the
State, should be Protestants) And if th is were so, w.is

Lord-GnaNris.ut tiortly replied, merely tO Cara-
Odin of liis having been mist,:preiented by some
Noble Lordl. They Might wiltalte ilk words, hut
they could not welt misunderstand lais
.Their tenor on .:the present sotiiTt could leave no
doubt as to his sincerity.
The. House. then divided on . Lord GauNri LI.P.'S
motion:

knot more wise and.expedient to'exclude Catholics
front" these situations by law, than to throw upon the
King the odium of rejecting them ? F r let the House
bear in• mind, that the principle of the prayer of the
:Petition went to the attainment of all powers, on e.

-tied terms with thcProtestant, a principle noMonarch
could venture to apply practically without endanger-
ing the Constitution. It iwist be recolleaed that the
Catholics were not at present excluded from places of
the highest trust by any dired law. They excluded
thetiiselves, because they would 'not take the pre-
scribed tests (prescribed to all the sunjcts of the . MUSE OE C'0:11,1104VS.
Etn pin, indifferently), and pat Ocularly because they. . •
would.not take the oath of suptemacy, by .which PittpAY, NAV el.
they abjuren all foreign temporal and ecclesiastical Mr. T 2 GRENVIeee reported troth the Sandwich
din minion in these realms. The first question there- Committee, that the Sitting Member, P. RAINIER,
fore was, whether nr not this oath was tounded in Esq• was duly eleaed, and that the Petition did nut
reason and principle i Was it not just, as luog as. the .: appear oo them to be frivoione or vexatious.
Country possessed a Protestant (oveiweent and a . Mr. lovr-ree"VON pOSIpOIICIi WS Motion roSpeaing
Protestant Establishment, to reeeire (het the Mein- , Courts Martial' from Moeda)• fe,Vriday next.
bens of the Legininure, and •thetGreat t:altieers of '. . On, the Siitsex Sessipos Bill, a division . took
the State, 'sliolod abjure: foreign temporal, as place on au Airteudevutpropoied iv Mr. Lieseit to,
wen as foreign ecelesi3stical .domMion? Consistent- leake the Olive Ports out of the Bill.—For the
ly with the ,venrity of the Protestant Government, Amendment, t;3....:-A-aini It, t7-Majority, pi.
and the Protestant Establishment, it was mm tinss;ble ' On the Motion ot Mr. Rosa, it was ordered, that
to dispense vith the test. The large proportion of the House should go into a Committee to considet of
the population of Ireland which . the Caniolies . certain regulations Int. the Exportation of Sugar and
formed, had been si ned :Li a reason.foracredin:; . Coffee frem.the West India Islands to. any alert of
to their request. The. questioti Most b. 'el, wed in Europe, and foe the Importatiotreof Cora itito the
one of two points. If the Empire were considered : said Islands.
(and in his opinion we were bowel so to consider it) i. In a Committee on the Bounties .of the White
as s whole) then in any legislative regulation Paola- ` Herring Fishery, it was resolved, en the Motion of
meat Ought to be lotleenced, not by 4 hat was the Mr. Roca:, that to bounty Of 21. per tun should be
majority of a certain class in a part of the empire, but given to all vessels above (its toot, , and under 100
by' what was the majority of th tt cltilsS in the whole tons, employed in that tishery on the coasts Of Greatempire. 00 this footing the claim of the Catholics . Britain and Ireland, for jive years; and il. per ton
was indefeasible; and it was that the two Islands ' to all vessels of larger dimenatons, for the same ne4
must thus be considered as a whole empire, that the nod ; and 30001. to be nlvlded it) bounties to vesz?ls
Union had been projtraed. If the other view of the of above i 5 tone, etnployed •in ihe Herring 14'istiin')'
subject were taken, if the majority in a part of the on the coast ,df 'StotlandaieeTtie Report was ordered
Lotoire were to determine the regulations of the Le- to be received on Monday.
gislaiure, the consequence would then be, that it. the Dr. LAwttEttua, obtained leave to bring in a 13111'
present
,question were carried, the Catholics might for preventing the frauds practised on Alerchant.,
go farther. They might then say, that as near.have Siop-owners, and Underwritera, by. Boat-men and
ing a majority in the population of-Ireland had beets , ' others, within the jurisdietion of the Cinque Ports;
emitted as a ground for their admissuatiny into the and likewise for the adjustment of Salvages, ite. '
high Offices ot the State, du" same enctunstonee A Message from the lords announced ',heir Lord,
would emitie them its substitute a Catholic for a ships'. assent to the dutv on ready-made Corks.
Protestant Establishment in that country. This weg . The Brighton Road Bill was read a third time, and
a question directly infecting evert t;atholic Who had ' ordered tote engrossed". . .
an acre or land in Ireland ; every man who now a , THREE PBR-CIENTS.
paid to the support of two churctiesould who would l PO the motive of the CilotNcluLLOß of the Ex.
be very ready to get rid of that intriben by the sup- : CHRiai/ER, the House rekoived itself into a Commit-
version of Protestantism) as the estaultsited religion , tee on tbe.Resolutions of the-Commitee respetting
of the country. He allowed that no 3tien ouject was the transfer of 3 per etei(. Stuck fur L neAntitoties..,
hinted at in the Petition, but o.pol-it:awe had pro- . Mr. TtEaNLy complained that the tntasure pro-
ncrunced pretty decidedly on this subject. Vsros it posed tt t, e awed. haal::,ion ut Lilo. principles 0
the
not within every. Man's recollection, that in 170 Sjeking Fend. He wished every i him/ on that sub-
and 1794,; the Catholics of Ireland were called uron jpet to be relestated as it was in 1410'..:. Coibidera-
to state the whole of their demands. , They ,diti )1e 'evils would arise from t 1,,.
sPecli'il;rueloiriet-
nais thatit state the whole of their demends. Duty were . would ercate in this measure, and ti
granted by the Irish Parliament. Alia what lodowej? lady among the lower Chivies• of ttmb people. He
Why, that they uri;ed It esh demands. In support . ',loped, therefore', that the. got Hon. ,Gentiortinn
of his onirdois, Wile resped to the aoposition or the would net press the Coroneime to adopt the Resole-
Catholics to presume on airy indtdroce sliat t%•:.s Lion, without more Mature discussion and delihera-
graved to thy-so, hr lead an extract troima work, by ' tiea;
.... L . .
Sit Jahn Throbtnotton (a todtietate CathoLc), in . the CLIANCEI LIR of the I,:xcIIEQUER nrofeised
which their wieh
to Mint ote. a (.dolts estaulnibintat himself to remelt). of , the same opinion on this sub-
was sutlicleatly indicated. It thereture the Legista- j::,a... He never exper9ed that the'etreas of the aye.
nem of Great Blain %em to surrouner to the Cainq- . tem would he imtnediate,a but ne contended that it
lies the barriers in question, that antreutter would woo be peoduetive ultimately of great public bene-
lead to the destruction of the 'present ecnietiasutal 0, :.and ot much private cenvenience. As to the
establishment in Ireland. The next question to be evii,, be compared time operation of the measure with
disctn.sed was the probability, should site prayer of that principle (at) generally approved) by which
thcm Petition ots complied with, that suet) compnance friendly societies were actuated in their regulations.
would benefit the Irish peoirle' at largs‘t. No one A similar measure Lad. been proposed by that
could more lament the disturbances that had recently , estimable character Sir George Saville. He denied
occurred in the sister Kingdom ; , but on a close that this was such an infra(:tion'of the. Sinking Fund
examitiation he found that these disturbances and • as the Honourable Gentleman declared it to be. We
not originated in' any Political or religious cause. - ought not to anticipate inconveitieeciet which might
They chiefly arose from a demand made by the Ca- never occur.
thole) Priests fur an limerease of . .
- heir dues, emu tiom Lord fei Kee,/ PETTY contended, that the maul
Oinur local grievances, which, although they were; eGtis of the plan Woulci be injurious to the interests
severely felt, were still !snit local. It he were well. : ot- the public, and that its operation would be the
founded in this statement, whet became of
the Noble :, revs rte of that of the benefit societies, by convert-
Baton's assertion, that a compliance with the Yelien. log a more durable interest into a less durable inter-
lion would allay the ;;eneral di:content of the Irish ?,..: Ctte He also insisted, tint the plan would be Pre-
No man could deny, nat it was most desirable to itilAy Judicial to the pupae; creditor, and an infringement
that discontent; 'trial he would VosilieelY tarrytn.lt of the principle of the Sinking k'ultd. He bad alto
'
-the measure proposed was calculated to a, so ; so a particular objection to this plan, a, it won'tt in•er-
the contrary, be was COLIVIOCOO, alit by inciting to fere with the prince* of the pin' wiiich he ltd the
new demands—demands- which could not be cons-. ' honour inteeeitinitiond to the Heusi:last year; as this
pl:ed with--:it would Ova birth to new 'causes of , plan wouldiaoduce that inequality in the operation
discontent. The Noble Baron bad dwelt on the of the Suikine Fund which his, plan was intended
necessity of compliance; on. account of the great dan- ! tb prevent. , , .
~ .. . ..
et
get to which the country was exposed in the present • Mr. M 514.235011 stated, that with reape to the
Noble -Lord's plan, it would not be interfered with
etete of the world. The country certainly wasin grnat
by this :liens:lee, 'because certainly the Sinking Fund
danger. But in former periods it bad also, been in
greet danger *hough perhaps not in such great wind(' in ten years be in as good a situation, ninwith-
dauger as ut this moment, yet in danger so great that r .fiUmding the operation of this plan, as under that of
the Noble Lord. Thiki plan was not to hold Ova an
the eiovernmeut would not have been justified 14ii*
they•pot resorted to every means at defence within inducement, but to afford 'an opportunity to persons
their power) yet the Government -at thoie' Per" 1 wishing to purchase atuaties, to invest their capital
ju thatutanner ; and it would nndouhtedly be at great
never sought for assistance by surrendering tlie, tiara
Tiers of the Constitution, In the bcginteug of the : convenience to 'many individuals, Who might have
reign of ti.ing William, the country was eeposed to to bequeath allthlitieli-t0 dependents, to have their
a great foreign force ; the French fleet disputed
kv!th .lands..discharged of such annuities by purchases un-
the British the dominion of the seas ; 'lreland was in, , der the present plan. The Honourable Gentleman
a most disturbed state; in tugland there' existed i Oen: chewed by calculations, that the operation of
a strong party attached. to the exiled family. But ON plan will accelerate the period rot the redemption
of thepublic.debti aeithout- producing the inequality
amidst ail these datigers, did the Cioveromeat think
Of Surrendering the barriers of the Conatittmeo ?a-a iii the effet6l of time Sinking Fund apprehended by
No. They telt that the security of the country de- itti.., Nubie Lord.
petaled upon the Constitution, and that the ,security , mr. Tittitt4EX..eXplained, by re-urging his for-
of the Constitution depended upon the Protestant cite- M‘.•'-r' statements and arguments, to show that the
bliehdient. By wild% these firmly together, they,- principle of the: Sinking Fund- would, be violated by
.era enabled suecesstolty to battle with the sue- ow 14.4 n., ,
mien al by wheal they .tteressurrounde& '•lnideektring Mr. Hosmusscrs also . •
- . explained, as did likewise
bis'conitiaiOn that tho mass of the people quirojaz"l 10r, TirmtNaY.
Would not be benefitted.hy the concession which it ,
.41'. :)Avis
GIDDY: thought that the plan now
was proposed to make to there, he was .supported by
,proposed would ham the elle& of encouraging a
very: high. authority.. Arthur
aConoors ..Nle;srs*, Lgr4ter degree of frugality 'in the lower classes, by
'Niven, and Emmett, had distinttly stated that tiitl
Xabrding them an opportunity of applying their SAY-
would not. But it was to him most obvious, that amis. -‘aiiil perfent security to the increase of their
i those- who under a PfOteStalt establishment We I i
' income., suit that in, this - t.;qiiit of view the he*

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