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MR. D. W. HARVEY.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the ap-
pointment of a Select Committee, on Papers relating to
the appointment of Daniel Whittle Harvey, Esq., to
the office of Registrar of Hackney Carriages :—Mr.
Attorney-General, Mr. Wynn, Sir Frederick Pollock,
Mr. Solicitor-General, Lord Stanley, Mr. Sergeant
Wilde, Sir James Graham, Mr. Jervis, Mr. Cresswell,
Mr. Sanford, Sir Thomas Acland, Mr. Aglionby, Mr.
Goulburn, Mr. Ward, Mr. Pusey.—Agreed to.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND).

Lord MORPETH moved. the Order Of the Day,
for the House going into Committee of the whole House
on the Poor Relief (Ireland) Act Amendment Bill.
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.
The preamble was postponed, and clauses up to eight,
were agreed to with a few verbal amendments.
Upon clause eight being put,

Sir ROBERT FERGIJ SSON thought there ought
to be some alteration with respect to the latter part of
the clause as it was at present framed, and he thought it
was likely to creategreat difficulty. He thought that
the Poor Law Cotumissoners should have the power of
appointing the Barrister who was to decide upon the va-
lidity of the rate.

After a few observations from Lord MORPETH
which were inaudible in the Gallery, the clause as ori-
ginally framed was agreed to.
The other clauses of the Bill, after a short conversa-
tion between Mr. Smith O'Brien and Lord Morpeth,
not oue word of which was audible in the gallery, was
then agreed to, when the House resumed and the report
was'ordered to be received to-morrow.

Sir E. KNATCHBULL then moved, (as we under-
stood), a second reading of the Highways' Bill.
An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn,
said that in his part of the country the Unions were too
large, and the expenses ware continually increasing.
Indeed, it seemed to be the tendency of the present sys-
tem of Poor-laws to increase the burdens upon
.the rate-
payers, instead of to lessen them as they had at first
been told would be the result. This increase was the
more to be deprecated, on account of the deteriorating
effects the great prevalence of railways had already had
upon the returns of t urnpike-roads. He called upon the
House not to add to the already onerous duties the
Boards of Guardians had to perform. If this overloading
system should be persevered in, he would bring forward
some clauses calculated to check the expenses of the
Poor-law administration, and to prevent small counties
from being over-rated.
Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND said he felt it to Le
his duty to oppose this measure last session,' and mature
consideration since then had confirmed him in
that feeling. He doubted whether it were desir-
able to take , the management of the small
rates in townships out of the hands they
were in at present. The roads went on well in his
part of England. In fact there was no complaint.
He had regularly attended the Board of Guardians in
his district, and no persons could be found more dili-
gent, more patient, or better intentioned than the mem •
bers of that Board. That district was nearly agricultural,
but the population was dense, the area including not
less than 70 parishes. Any persons desirous that the
new Poor-law should work well in that quarter, would
therefore be decidedly opposed to any increase of the
present very onerous duties of the Guardians. Al-
though he (Sir G. Strickland) represented a district,
thr inhabitants of which had made the most violent and
even unreasonable opposition to the New Poor-
law, he, nevertheless, supported that measure, being
convinced that the interests of the country required it.
But now that it was the law, he was desirous that it '
should not be unnecessarily clogged with duties, oppres-
sive to men who had already discharged their responsible
trusts to the best of their abilities, and whose manage-
ment tended to diminish that hostility which was at first
exhibited against that enactment. He would not make
any motion against the measure, trusting that at a
future stage, :t would undergo a searching discussion.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL begged leave to say that
the Poor-law Guardians were many of them unwilling
to perform the onerous duties alluded to. He hoped
the Hon. Gentleman would more fully explain himself
at the proper time.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered
to be crmmitted on the Gth of March.
Mr. H A WES postponed his motion for a Select
Committee to inquire into the laws relating to Lunacy.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER moved for leave to
bring in a Bill to alter and amend the laws relating
to Sewers in England. The Honourable Member
explained the provisions of his Bill, and urged the ne-
cessity of some general measure on the subject.
Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

Mr. POULETT THOMSON moved for the re-
appointment of the Select Committee on Private Busi-
ness, "to consider whether any and what improvement
can, be adopted in the mode of conducting Private Busi-
ness:"—Mr. Poulett Thomson, Sir Robert Peel, Mr
Shaw Lefevre, Lord-Stanley. Mr. Hume, Lord Gran-
ville Somerset, Mr. Loch, Mr. Greene, Mr. Aglionby,
Mr. Williams Wynn, Lord Viscount Ebrington, Sir
James Graham, Mr. Edward Ellice, Mr. Freshfield,
Co:onel Davies : Power to send for persons, papers
and records ; five to be a quorum.— Agreed to.
The LORD ADVOCATE brought in a Bill for
increasing the salaries of the Judges in Scotland, which
was read a first time.
Sir GEO. CLERK presented a petition from Ai,
gyleshire, in favour of Education.
Sir THOMAS FREEMANTLE presented a Pe-
titiori signed by the Mayor, Burgesses, and Corpora-
tion of the town and county of Southampton, in favour
of the existing system of Corn-laws.
Mr. DARBY presented several petitions in favour
of the existing system of Corn-laws from places the
names of which we could not catch. After which
The House Adjourned at FIVE MINUTES PAST SIX.

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HOUSE OF LORDS, FEN. 18.
The House met at
Cfive minutes past Five o'Clock.
ANADA.

Lord ELLENBOROUGH wished to know from
the Noble Viscount opposite whether there was any
dispatch from Sir J. Colborne detailing to the Govern-
ment the principles on which he had formed the Special
Council, and the persons nominated therein, and whe-
ther any instructions had been sent out by her Majesty's
Government on that subject, as there was no communi-
cation of that sort in the papers laid on their Lordships'
table.

Lord MELBOURNE'S reply was quite inaudible in
the gallery.

Cord VVESTMEA.TH gave notice that, to-morrow,
he should move for certain other papers to be
laid on
the table, respecting a report of a Commissioner in
Ireland, relative to a prolonged investigation of
a transaction which took place there, covering,

in the report produced, forty-eight pages,,
I which the Commissioner bad contrived to pat
whole of the evidence?, stating at the foot there was r. t
opinion reserved upon it.
C R N-L A WS.
The Duke of WELLINGTON prex-eyn favedsocuverral
petitions from parishes, principally in Kent,
the present Corn-law.
CANADA.
Lord WINCHILSEA. said that seeing the Noblt+
Viscount in his place, he desired to take the libesty of
putting a question to him. He felt it to be
his painful duty last Session of Parliament to dens
the attention of the House to an appointment
which had taken place of an individual holding a hig-12
place under the Noble Earl (Lord Durham) whore
he also saw in his place. The Noble Viscount,
in answer to that question, had led him (Lord !'
Winchilsea) to believe, as indeed he expressed that
he himself felt both surprise and regret at the appoint-
ment,
for those were the very words of the Noble Vis- I
count. Upon looking over the Report which the I
Noble Earl had produced, he (Lord WincLibea)
was surprised to find that throughout the doetu- I
meats contained in that report, not one of their
related to that point. He, therefore, begged to ask th:!.
Noble Viscount, whether there were any returns in his
possession which he intended to lay on. the table re-
ating
to that appointment, because he should feel it to $
lbe his duty to press for the production of those docu-
ments. in justification of the line he bad adopted.
Lord MELBOURNE said it was not his intention
to lay any such papers on the table.
Lord WINCHILSEA then gave notfee that be ,
should draw the attention of the House to the subject
to-morrow.

Lord DIJR HAM said, as this irregular conversation
had taken plane--',Cries of " N o, no,"and " Hear, hear";
he certainly believed, if the Noble Earl had had no inten-
tion to have made any motion on the subject, it would
have been regular to have glanced at what he alluded to
as he had d but having had that intention he could
not but think it very unfair. He begged to inform
the Noble Earl opposite that in the appointment
to which he had referred the Noble Viscount at the
head of her Majesty's GoVernment, had no concern
whatever. It was an appointment of his own, made as
he had a right to make it, without any authority whatever
from the Noble Viscount. It was not an appointment under
sign manual. It was not an appointment requiring the
confirmation of her Majesty's Ministiers. It was one
which he (Lord D.) had made on his own responsibility,
and which he would be prepared to defend, when-
ever the Noble Earl should think proper to bring
forward his motion ; and he would tell the Nob to
Earl that, so far from thinking he had done wrong
making that appointment, he had considered that Lke
had advanced her Majesty's service in no incon—
siderable degree from the official services ren—
dered by that Gentleman. He had experienced
happy results from that appointment, and he
could assure the Noble Earl of his determination to
make the same appointment again if he had the oppor-
tunity.

Lord WINCHILSEA said that he had studiously
avoided alluding again to this subject until the docu-
ments now laid on the table were before the House. He
had determined not to introduce the subject again until
those documents had been produced, because he had
felt bound to act fairly towards the Noble Earl, and not
in any way to prejudice the question. The question
was not between him (Lord Winchilsea) and the
Noble Earl, but between him and the Noble
Viscount at the head of her Majesty's Govern-
ment. He had nothing whatever to do with the
private feelings of the individual that was alluded
to—with his abilities, or with his talents. lie
had no doubt that he had rendered most efficient ser-
vice to the Noble Earl. But on public grounds
he had expressed his regret, as he should have
done, if the appointment had taken place' by
his dearest friend. He had expressed his re-
gret at. the appointment, and having been .joined
and sympathised with in that expression of regret i'y
the Noble Viscount, he had a right to know, not
in his.own name, but in the name of the public, what
course had taken place on the occasion.
CORN LAWS.
Lord FOLEY presented a petition against the
Corn-laws.
Lord RALEIGH presented several petitions (which
Lord Western was to have Presented) in favour of the
Corn-laws.

The Earl of WARWICK presented 155 petitions
from a number of places in the county of Warwick
against any alteration in the Corn-laws.
The Earl of STRADBROKE, in presenting fifteen
petitions to the same effect, from different parishes in Suf-
folk, said the petitions proceeded from persons of consider-
able property in the county, and were not got up in On
manner in which he had seen some petitions nu..st
gracefully prepared ; for every one of the petitionei.s
affixed the quantity of land which ho occupied, and tie
amount of the assessment to which he was
He (the Earl of Stradbroke), as a
practical broom:,
himself entirely agreed with the petittoners, that
in ai'y-
thing approaching to a free trade Corn roust produce
absolute ruin to the landowners (Hear, hear.)
driving them from their own country to seek a-
shelter in foreign climates, end perhaps the far-
mers of Suffolk were more interested in the
question than those of any other part of England, be-
cause in no county was there more capital invested in
the cultivation of land. With respect to the rural
population, he was persuaded the effect of the repeal of
the Corn-laws would be to throw the agricultural
labourer out of employ.—( Hear.)
The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition
from the landowners in the neighbourhood of Chichester
against the repeal of the Corn-laws. The petition had
been only a few hours in the market, and had been'
signed by the owners of 22,000 acres, and by the oc-
cupiers of 66,000 acres, and a more respectable body of
men never signed a petition. The Noble Duke also
presented petitions to the same effect from the landowct-
ers and occupiers of land in Lewes, and of Kirklavingto a
(Yorkshire.) His Grace then presented a petition fro! a
Elgin, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws, observiiN:-;
at the same time that he need not say be entirely
disagreed in every word of it.—(A laugh.)
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM presented a great
number of petitions from the counties of Bucks, Senior-.
set, Essex, Lincoln, and Wiltshire, against the abolition
of the Corn-laws, in which prayer the Noble Duke said
he heartily coneurred.—(Hear.)
The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented forty-five
petit ions from the county of Lincoln against any altera-
tion in the Corn-laws, and stating that those laws tended
to benefit both the agricultural and manufacturing elasseii.