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Bristol, or other Ports, and even in Ireland? The
'fable would be-covered with applications to that
eff'ec't. What answer could then be' given to
them ? The Charter could not be objeacd to
them, as it world then in effect he obviated.
Did they believe their objeds pradicablc, or that
these coo persons'could render England the empo-
rium of all the trade of India ? Why should the
whole of an' At of Parliament be effedually
abrogated, which, in regard to private trade, had
even exceeded its framer's expectations, inasmuch as
it increased it, from the amount 'of Soo,oool. to
upwards of two millions? The evils of excessive
Colonization should be also considered, and these
might prove greater than the instance afforded
by America ; the latter had every thing to
make—in India every thing was already made;
America was only a two months voyage—lndia
was beyond the reach of control. He knew the
respectable Army we had in India ; no man felt
the national obligatiOns to it more strongly than
himself : yet they were to bear in mind, that the
Army might consider such changes as tending to its
advantage. Much was said about the benefits to be
derived by the Mother Country : in such a case as
the present., however; he doubted which' would be
considered as the Mother Country.' Certainly, the
trader woidd wish to increase the wealth and capital
of that in which
,he, was on the spot to avail him-
self.—Upon the whole, the. Legislature shOulti pause
ere it entertained such a Proposition as that of the
Hon. Baronet ; it would go to transfer a-large pro-
portionsfEnglish ship-building to India. With re_
spelt to what was said of the profits of repairing the
vessels in. this Country, it was tlifling in comparison
to the loss- the other way,' as by one of the Accounts
on the Table,- out- of 20°,0001. not more than
zz,oool. were paid to Ship-builders for repairs.—
With respect to the Navy being injured by the inea-
sure, he felt no serious alarm, yet it was prudent
to guird against such a contingency. They knew
what a useful body of men the Shipwrights of
the Navy were.—He instanced their almost in-
credible expedition in fitting out a • number of
Gun-boats, in the course of last Spring, on the
alarm-of an Invasion being intended, and they were
to consider how far it would be proper to adhostilely
to the interests of those, for the accommodation of
certain individuals, on the score of cheapness ; and
added to this, he thought the calculations; in the
latter point of view, much exaggerated. The India
Company have done all that could reasonably be
asked of men, and, indeed, he thought, rather more
than was consistent with their duty, with respect to
their Constituents. The concessions required were
too much. The security of our Indian Possessions
was implicated, and that depended chiefly upon the
high character of the Company in that quarter.—
In concluding, he seriously reminded the House to
put the question to rest, to shew the servants• that
they could not get what they wanted, and he was
certain the most beneficial consequences would
ensue. He had the less to regret that the lateness
of the hour preVented him from going so largely
into the subject as he otherwise .should, in con-
sidering that the points he touched on, were very
ably argued by an Hon. Gentleman on his side of
the question, in the course of the Debate. How-
ever, on a- future occasion, should it be necessary,
he hoped the House would indulge him with the de-
livery of his sentiments on the subject; in detail.

L rd GLENBERVIE said, he could not agree
with. his Hon. Frienci.who had just sat down, in
lamenting that the Question was ever agitated ; he,
on the contrary, rejoiced at it. The, bringing for-
ward the. question by the worthy Baronet, had
.been prodotlive" of much benefit ; it indUeed the,
Company already to an enlarged and liberal depar-
ture froni the stria letter of the Statute of 1793,
as rightly announced by his. Right Hon. Friend the
CliArrctt.t.ott of the EXCHEQUER, and a line of si-
milar policy might be adopted by the Legislature,
to a certain -degree, by an existing legislative regu-
lation. India-built Ships were already competent.
At the same time he differed from his, Noble Friend
with respe& to the idea of cheapness, and still More
on the ground of his treating as chimerical a future
scarcity of Ship-timber in this Country ; in this
opinion he was justified by that of the Noble Lord
at the head of the Admiralty. The importance of
the Navy was too great not to induce the Legis-
lature to catch, with eagerness, at any substitute for
,the decreasing of Ship-timber in this kingdom.---
Were it, as stated by the Hon. Gentleman, as dear
to build. Ships in the way proposed, as in that
now in use, it would be no harm to let them try
the experiment ; when they found their error
they would abandon the scheme. There was enough
stated by the worthy Baronet, and might be ad-
mitted by all the Gentlemen, to shew there was-
great reason !--) think it proper to inquire, and that
inquiry to a proper extent had beeil already made ;
but it was most truly and emphatically stated,
by his Right Hon. Friend the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, that it once allowed its full range,
it was unknown to what extent the michief might
go. The attention of the Public had been so
far beneficially called to the proposition, as to
procure from the Company an indulgence for two
years to the Private Traders, to the full extent of
their poWers, which he conceived to be a great
point gained, and the interval would afford suffici-
ent time for experiment, and shew how the measure
would operate with respect to the interest of either
Party ; and this-consideration would he sufficient to
induce him to resist the proposed Inquiry, for;
which, he was perfealy satisfied, no substantial
grounds now existed, and should therefore vote for
the Previous question.
Mr. R. THORNTON, in a short, but pertinent
Speech, defended the condua of the East India
Company, and insisted they had given every prac-
ticable facility to Private Traders, who notwith--
standing, he averred, had not availed themselves to
the full extent of their powers.
• Sir JAMES M. PL TENEY argued at some
length in favour of the original Motion.
• Sir W. PULTENEY spoke at some length in ex-
-• plarpition, and-entered into a.variety.of details. and
calculations in support of the Propositions he had
before; advanced. .
•
• After a very few words in explanation, in conse;.
quence of a point or two ,of the Hon. Basonet's
Speech, from the CtlAticet4og.. of the Excfictzuza;
hir c.44.,.3ti0n was called for, wheal the PligiDia Mo-