The Sun.
London, England, 1839-04-20 00:00:00

14:VENING EDITION.

! gratuitously provoked by the Commons —( Cheers.) The
C,ies''',ealled zee, ' 01, -; ee alminisoa-
I "011 of the hoe has?' Lee., :ee, e,e; in ioe ,i(i el late
' yearn. He doubted that. lie queitioried if the law could
ebeerse._aid
(tco
lerb,eeims.p)roved, when life and property were inse-
Why, in eleven counties (excluding
Tipperary), in one year there were 277 committals for
murder alone, and only three convictions. The House
was alto called upon to assert the general improvement
of Ireland. He ( Lord Stanley) admitted that there had
been a progressive, but very slow, improvement in Ireland
for many years past. In 1846, a Committee of the Lords
Was appointed, who reported that, in consequence of va-
rious beneficial measures, such as the police, the
constabulary, the assistant barristers, &c., the
condition of Ireland had very much improved.
In 1830 the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer had
drawn up ...._
a repert upon the state of Ire'and, stating that
insurrectionary offences had greatly diminished up to that
itaimteely.
,Izthe number of such offences had greatly increased
Hear, hear, hear.) The House was called
uPon to approve of " tho principles." What prin-
ciples ? Whose principles ?—( Cries of ' Hear, hear.")
The Noble Lord (J. Russell) had shown a great deal of
amiable modesty and wonderful ingenuity. The Noble
Lord did not wish to contrast his Government with those
.if Lord Wellesley and Lord Anglesea. It might be in-
cLdoorirvanient to contrast Lord Melbourne's Government with
Grey's. It might be disagreeable to contrast Lord
HMelbourne as Prime Minister with Lord Melbourne as
ome Secretary, and it might be still more disagreeable to
trast Lord Melbourne as Prime Minister with Mr.
Lamb as Secretary for Ireland.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
The Hon. ,Member for Limerick was the first who com-
pared the present Administration with that of Lord Grey,
and he
( Lord S.) was assured that he had narrowly eo.
'ailed being impeached; and one of the complaints made
leinst him was, that having come into office in 1830, he
'led not, on the 13th of April, 1831, proclaimed the Insur-
rection Act in the county of Ciare. The Hon. Member also
mated what principles had been applied, With regard to
the administration of the law, he said that Lord Nornianby
bad introduced a new principle, for he said he had administer-
d the law by affection, excluding the baser influence of fear.
This was a new principle in any Legislature.—( Hear,
hear.) As we did not live in Utopia, he thought the
Criminal law did act by fear.—( Dear, hear.) The
Member talked of affirming the principle of not ex-
cluding Catholics fiom office. Did the Hoe. Member
take credit to Lord Nor be's administration for being
the first which had not mstdundiOnsiv excluded all Catholics
.r-
- °wee ? He (Lord Stanley) admitted that since the
aassing of the Relief Bill in 1829, political disqualifi-
eation, on the ground of religious opinion, was inde-
'ensible on the part of any Government ; and as a proof
4 this he might refer to the promotion of Mr. Perrin, Mr.
O'Lnghien, and Mr. \You're, and the patent of prece-
dency granted to the Hon. Member for Dublin. Great
•shredit had been taken for the appointment of Judges ; but
0 moe judges appointed were the very men whom he had pro-
'xtiedlt had been held out that the principle of not
p-I,,ding Catholics was a new principle, and that Lord
.eesie37, Lord Anglesea, and Lord Grey were in
avow. of exclusion. What—Lord Wellesley and
tia,°:„d G'ey. who had been endeavouriug to do
oat -J, with political exclusion on the ground
b religious principle ! Why, Lord 'Wellesley might have
been twice Prime Minister if it had not ben for that, and
Yet these men were to be cast aside in the desire to praise
Le
new principle !—(Cries of Hear, and laughter.)
"ere those persons who had grown old and grey in the
efcause, who had exhausted their energies and youth in
ending the principles of civil and religious liberty—
ere these men to be stigmatised by a resolution of the
Hoofs of Commons as haying been adverse to the claims
And rights of the Catholics? Cheers.) Now they were
''fl
calledl on to approve of the principles of the Government
reand. tie (Lord Stanley) always liked a good
plain straightforward statement of principles; and
when th
a.O '3' were called upon to assent or dissent
la a declaration of principles he wished to know what
?sere the principles specified by the supporters. of the
overnment. ' In the petition from Dublin, and in a num-
' of duplicatee, which re-echoed its prayer from all
marts
ef the country the petitioners stated that
. le -First
theY demand a perfect equalization of the
a Ftive franchise throughout England and Ireland,
oet aneaee:edlargenaent of it in both. Secondly, an
r(sheietrudil number of representatives for Ireland—
the number was faxed at 170.
burdened e
cad Scotland
qealization of religious freedom with England
. ' and as the people of England were not
. with the Church of a minority, nor the
:, i
sepp
:, eonle of Scotland burdened with the Church of
minority,ortnlgreland should be disembarrassed of the burden
the Church of a minority, and that the
rSuTing of the Protestant Church should be appro-
: nited to public purposes, especially those of educe
'J."' New those princip,les, except that alone of
: ,erporate Reform, upon which both sides had
!iareed last Session—he believed the Noble Lord oppo-
:te,
_and Lord Melbourne, were pledged to oppose. Yet
`he Hon. Gentlemen upport the princi opposite called upon the House to
t
-ples of the Government as essential to
~eabinet he 'le welfare of Ireland, while the Members of the
had named, opposed them as fatal to the
,est interests of Ireland. Indeed, the Hon. and Learned
Member for Dublin stated in a speech at New Ross that
it was only owing to his entreaties at the Home-office that the
proposed Corporate Reform Bill, or rather Corporation
_\ buses Bill, was postponed. How then could the Hon.
Gentlemen opposite be unanimous in opinion? The
Noble Lord said that they were borne out by the legislative
measures of the House of Lords—but if he was free and
unfettered, would not he, and his illustrious colleague,
Consider it their duty to oppose those measures which the
!uPporters of the Right Hon. Gentleman considered
Voe.parable from the welfare of others ?—( Hear.) The
„1
or Lord said that the proceedings of the House
dist' ds rendered a vote of the House of Commons in-
wm,Pienaable to his Government, but now he would ask—
f -.v3 the G'overnment dare to ask for a vote of confidence
(Ittl the Commons on tbeir foreign policy ?
'of `lnd cheers.) Would they venture to ask
Would
the confidence on their domestic policy ?.
NY venture to ask it on their Legislative policy
oble arded Ireland ?—(Cheers.) No ; but, said the
aiiLord, let us have a general vote, on which we can
Lordagree, statiroe that of late the Governmen .
beneficially
rninistered. And really, upon that question, the Noble
,te,lsl flatteredhimself that he was going to have a majority,e
:".flu he (Lord S.) had not the least doubt that he would ,
11)3eut, what did the Noble Lord think the effect of that would
He would not go over the old trodden ground of the.
I.lipepointrnent of the constabulary force, but he was in
Wasthe House at the time when that enormous power
given b_ the Government--( Hear)—and the Noble
Lord said that it should be managed on the same
PsertilnecreiPl?, as the police force in the metropolis,
it
was, thous the the authorit was in the Home Secretary,
pointment
BaTonettPPlted by the Commissioners. The Right lion.
sibility of Col, Constabulary would
efl‘thlember for Tamworth hoped that thee, ap-
doubt that be under the respon-
no partialitay, itogr e
pled'aw Kennedy, when there could be no
would be afforded that. there would be
political bias observed in the appoint-
Tents. The Noble Lord opposite thanked the Right Hon.
cd not know
.121aronet for the advice he had given, but he (Lord Stanley)
sl: how the f had been. He had heard
range statements in respect to that, and he believed that
there could be no more fitting object for inquiry than the
examination of Colonel Shaw Kennedy in reference to
those conditions solemnly entered into in the face of Par-
tament, to know whether they had been studiously and
iiiejois. iy
aui adhered to. As to the release of the pri-
soners, he could not see that any defence had been
offered on that point. But he would say that when
1 ttneaction. Bart. the Member for Drogheda had reco-
cooded the most unexceptionable cases for mercy he never
Noble procure from Lord Normanby a dismissa. The ties_ Lord had taken an extraordinary mode ofl calcula-
u. He had said that fourteen years transportation was
equal to 140
Probabl 11'1
out 140
then
ths' itnprisonment, and he had measured
among a certain number of individuals.
exhaust:
been . en the applications to which he had alluded had
made to the Noble Marquis, those 140 months h id been
d, and the Noble Marquis thought that he had given
`lti,?4l.3ty just as much mercy as he could spare. The case of
;' 1i Ryan was a delicate and romantic interference, and
e would not enter into that, but he hoped the House would
hear with him for a single moment while he related a story
wibieh he had heard somewhere, and which he thought ahpis
Plicable to the doctrine which had been adduced
4110:08e.
foaming,A country surgeon,
his
Ptectice, received a messenger in great haste,
upon returning fromin this
in great and his servant
excite-
ant,'sl from a neighbouring gentleman, who said that
pared at his home,
It._ s dreadful accident had la
7(1 not a moment was to be lost rirn'ethe attendance of the
mounted his horse end galloped
n_rgeon, The sargeof
°,lt at full speed ; he surgeonnound the house in great confusion-
14e servants all in distress—and the father and mothers of
the .
lookedint in the greatest agony. lie rand ent udpe3si
1 it at the wound—looked very grave.tiaed —to
Three or four
.1° a pair of scissors brought to him.
pair of scissors were brought up. He tool's,
jastperaiereotfetfhehmis
Into his hand, took a piece of sticking-
pncionfiathide
Pocket, Separated the plaster, and put a stPripd
"ofit upon
I,c)und, which the young gentleman had received,,,f
~ Oh, ob, the Nli-
tme whole was cured.—( Cries of
Government
nisterial side, and " Hear, hear," from the Tsorryombenches.)
And abet was the language of hsr Maesty
such an
the ether day? Why, that the honour, of the Government
was at stake it was impossible they could survive _ .
aattack as hair been made upon them
consi-
nays were numbered, but when they took , nto
ma.
by the Lords—their
days
this little bit of sticking plaster, their
klies would all be cured.—( Hear,
This sticking-plaster prentice would not answer.—
for :ember
i Cheers
) He did not knew whether the Hon.
hear, hear.)
nortenz
or Finsbury was in his place, but supposing a
post
G7overn-
examination should take place upon her Majesty's
to
111" t, it would tall upon the Coroner of Middlesex
sum-
t inon an inquest, and
the
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the jurY.—( Cheers.) Of course, lie would ads ocate ,
he should like to hear his charge
I,l2terposition of a Medical Coroner. —( C. ies of " Questi )ta '
e)
„I'll's wes strictly the question.—( Cheers.) The
%;oroner would probably tell them that a short time ago tl
deceased received a slight cut, which, on a healthy con-
sitution, would cause no harm ; but being a weakly con-
artitution, and having been treated unskilfully for tempo-
arY advantage, the wound had festered, mortification en-
-1 e,
"ci, and the patient died.—( Cheers.) He trusted that
the course of his address the Coroner would not state
i that his
colleague had had any hand in it.--(Loud
i_ll'ers.) Attribute the fall of the Government to what
,'e might, he could not say that the vote of the House of
Commons had either caused manslaughter or murder.—
(Laughter, and cries of " It's a bad j ,ke," from Sir J.
Hohhouse.) Perhaps his Right Hon. Friend would think
that it was no joke at all.—( Laughter.) If the present
motion was carried, what possible advantage could it lie
t° the character of the Government.—(Cheers.) The
Hon. Member for Limerick had told the House the state
t°
wect hich the Government had reduced theecountry—what
effdid they suppose the carrying the present measure
"ukt have on the House of Lords. It had been stated
that it would have the effect of cripplin e the proceedings It that House. They might rely upon it that the inquiry
Inl the House of Lords would go on—they might
y
re
~ upon it, that strong i the consciousness