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CAkNATIC QUESTION.

- Sir THOMAS TURTON, in rising pursuant to *his
notice, felt it 'necessary to premise that, whatever
might be his individal impression, it was not his in-
tention, in consequence of his deference to thede-
cision of the House, to submit any Resolution
direaly .tending to criminate the charaCter '-of" the
Noble Person whose Measures gave rise to the Reso-
lutions ha had to propose. But he considered- it
necessary, in vindication of the justice of.this.Cittin4
try; that the House- should' come to some Resolu-
tioh respecting the nature and circumstances of the
transactions in the Crnatic, and also declaratory
of its intention to discountenance such proceedings.
hereafter. The Honourable Baronet, therefore, re-
serving 'hiinself for that opportunity whith Wooldibe
afforded him by the indulgence Of the House in.re;.
ply, should then content himself with moving these
Resolutions. The first .Resolution was merely_de-
claratory of the deposition of Ali Hassan, by Azim
'ul Doulah, through the influence of the Company,
and his consequent detention in the custodysof Azina
ul Doulah, till the period of his death in the year
1802. The second affirmed, that in the opinion of
that House, a religious adherence to its engagements
hereafter, was the best means of securing th,e Com-
. parry's power in India, and pledged the House to
the appointment of a Committee to enquire into..the
transaction, as well as whether any, and'what com-
pensation could bemasle to the deposed family:
On the question being .put-on the first Resolution,
diYision took pface, when the numbers were,

For the Resolution-. Ayes . - it.
Against it—Noes _ • 34
' Majority - —23

,The Resolution was of course negatived:- On
our re-admiSsion to the Gallery, we found that, just
as the House 'was about to divide on the second
Resolution, ,t • •,
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY rose to cuter into the dis-
cussion ot the question. I-le acquitted the Noble
Lords, to whose conduct the Resolution referred, of
having had any corrupt or personal motives, but he
contended that they had acted in a most haistakeii„
manner, as well for the interests of India as of The
COuntry to which they were subjeet. It was the,
duty of that HOuse to ascertain, whetlier they bad
.not conduaea themselves upon principles ot false
ambition, and the grossest violation of justice. The
House was then to decide, not upon the condu& of
the Noble Persons to whom he had referred, but
upon the-character of the British Nation. The
question now-was,-whether they should make these
ads their own. It appeared to him, that this was a
Most serious and important question to the British
Nation, .titld be deeply regretted the division that
had taken place, Persons of disaffetied minds had,
often endeavoured to lower that Assembly in the,

estisnatihn of the public, bht eirctiinsfance cos
so deeply .atfeCt- its charaCter as this, when the int.
pression should go abroad, that only eight Islembcr
more than were indispensably- necessary for the trans-
aaion of the most ordinary business bad attended
upon so important a discussion. These transatlioui,
when they should becomeanatter of history, would
furnish as instruaive and important lesions
the
condua of the Pizarros and Cortez, in America. But
what appeared to him most extreordirary was, that
on a discussion of so much importance,and which
had been so often before the House, no one of his
Majesty's Ministers bad expressed their sentiments,
:The Hon. Member went into a detail of the parti-
cular circumstanchs of the case, add,, on the fads re'
corded, maintained that. there was no ground 10f
the interferente of the British Government in did
manner in which Lord Wellesley had interfered.
There was in point of justice no ground for stispca"
ing , the Native Government. It in point of peheY
this proceeding was thought necessary, the motive
ought to be 'openly avowed. It might be politic in
the views of Government at the titne to supersede tin
European Government by an Asiatic Government ;
but if that was the object, the principle should be
avowed. To axiake a clairge of treason without
proof of treason, was to lay an offensive foundation
for a gross and groundless proceeding.--W the
Nihole view of the case, independent of.any persousl
consideration of Lord Wellesley, or of the other
Noble Lord who was aaively concerned (Lord Clive),
he was of opinion that' with a view
to ths honour
and interest of the British nation-, the irunsofious ill
the Carnatic ought to be pronounced, 11414 tine
pable, and worthy of the censure of the bruish
liament and the British nation.
Lord CA-STLERIiAGH highly..klambd the Honour-
able and Learned Gentleman who spoke last, lartsnct
having come forward in an earlier stage of this bu-
siness to state his disapprobation of the coodua et
Lord, Wellesley. The case was now in feet de'
tided, and it was unpleasant to have so great an
authority brought forward at a time. when the de-
cision of the tiouse anti of the,Country was alrently
fixed. The obligations of the Carnatic Geyer':
ment to the British were proved on the Treaty of
1792 ; and by this Treaty the .Nabobs werebutlaa
not to enter into anyopolitical -correspondence with'
out the concurrence of the British Government.-•
The Papers which were before the House, however,
furnished proofs of a. correspondence contrta)_,'
these principles. On this ground, and on the v'e
of all the circismstances before the House, he or
posed she motion.
Mr. Siteausszt had been absent only five minutes
from the speecli of the Noble Lord, and was inharer
ed that the whole time of his absence had been eta-
ployed in an attack can him. fie was anxious to
prove that the charges we Made qtr theGovernmen.g.
or France:for its proceedings in every quarter, could
not with justice be applied to Britain for its
ings in any quarter. He adverted to the language
held by -the late Chief Justice of India (Sir, John
Anstrntlier) on the impeachment of Mr. Hosting'
and contrasted it with the language and the priae'''
ples assetted by that Hon. and Learned Gentleman
at present. He took a view of the general circuorr
stances and facts
.of the case, condemning thec°'
dua of Lord Wellesley throughout, and concludedWellesieY
with saying, that the Report of Lord
being about tJ take a prominent part in Achninistrat'
ttou, far frcico dissuadin*or deteOng him.tiora prep
proceed
inz.the investigation of his condua India, NOS aft
additional motive in pressing that inquiry and invesf
ligation, as 'the Noble I;ord ought to be per cabs"
crear of imputation before he could take any pall to
the Government. •
Mr. 1: u4LER Contentled:thattliii was a most ex'
traordinary discussion and 'made on the
side more a question of party than of principle.
Dr. LAWRENCE asserted, that lay the manner t!..*
which these; questions had been discussed in .tf3
House, we bad 'abdicated the Government of lowa'
The Honourable and teamed Gentleman then „pro-
ceeded in detail to establish the reprehensible nature
of all the transaaions of the Carnatic, .and 'insist?"
that the India Company, its the usurpation of 'Man
ul Doulah, was contrary to lustice, and an instance
of oppression.
opposite
.Mr. Wistoitsst followed on the same side,. and
argued at some length' to prove, that ,though a 'PI:
joiity may decide against this Resolution andel4"
this subject, the House wotild but bring cilot4racq
upon itself, whilst the capers upon the table w°ll
open to the inspeotiou of the Country tflid Qt

ild

!.ope. .
Sir THOMAS TU,ETON replied generally, and °t
some length, to the observations and argkunco, 14.0
had been urged against his Resolution.. . .
A division then took place. ~ .
For the Resolution, Aye's ' :9
Against iti Noes . ' . 97 IA
Mr. WALLACE then rose and' said, that atter iv '-
had passeden'ihis and former discussions, it,v4.1.,°;1;
necessa,ry„for him to introduce the Resolution %roa
he was now going to move, with any preface f_l;..
should content himself simply r with moving the IT
lowing Resolution :
" Resolved, That it is the opinion of this 1101:56
that the Marquis WELLESLEY and Lord CLIO, 0
etshp:eceoirri,tco:ndoa relative to the Carnatic, were 4`14-1 '.',',
promotes:tihethleyepebrymaanneanr
sieoeutsirizoe,,a l andwelfare',
ia solicitudert,,
British possessions in India." did.-``
Sir JAMES HALL supported the motion,- but ;,;
not think that, after the long,and unmerited PLII9:. ,',,
cutions. which Marquis WELLESL-EY had been ec: ' .;
posed to in return for the signal services he had
I'l,ll
tiered the country, the Resolution went far 0)00.6
le
andiot .5,1..
to express the sense which' Parliament, mid.
the r .
Was sure the nation 'at large, elnerlaioed Ot
sild ~
able and meritorious -conduct of that distinilu
Nobleman. . ~.
Sir T. TURTON said he had a trifling amendnite.tne; .:;
to propose, which was to leave. out .the wnid6 a. . ...
Ale' word" influenced," and to insert the following •
in viokinoi
India, in contempt of all Treaties, and
`'34(ty. a desire to extend the British Territories. 4: . 'l.
of the national character."
hi th
INGToN and Mr. H. FITZGERALD ; after W—Ch
. The Amendment was supported by Mr. s.. Lv 51/e
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House diVided on it— ,
s
Ayes • • • •
•
Noes 9 • ' - sd,
Majority for Lord Wellesley 19 _et,,,,t4
' --- moved the original_queo.—

6,1*. WALLACE; then moved th - di
,o 1 the 'Vote of Approbation • when the 090°

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SATURDAY, JUNK 18, lsoe.

The arrival of the Dispatches yesterday from Ad-
,tniral PURVIS and General SPENCER, gave rise to a
tlumher of reports was said that the British
Troops had landed at Cadiz; and occlipled the Forts,.
:Ind that the French Fleet had been taken possession
°f &c.. On the other hand, it wasconfidently said,
that General SPENCER had made an attempt to land,
but that he had beeri repulsed with. considerable
!Pm It is hardly necessary to add, that there was
not any foundation for either, of these reports. We
were enabled to communicate to our Readers the
sabstanCe of the Official Intelligence which arrived,
and they may look to us with confidence for the
Tliest and most authentic information frOM Spain.
We ,have nothing to add to what we yesterday slat-
etteept merely to observe, that it was not until the
15th of May that the Itisurredion of Asturias was or-
ganized into a regular shape, which could not possibly
I)es known at Cadiz; the opposite eitiemity of the
kingdOM, on the nth, which is the date of the Dis-
patches from Adtuiral Puivts and Gen. SPENCER.
The People of Cadiz, knowing nothing, but what.was
communicated to them from. Madrid, through the
medium of the French. were under the influ-
ence of terror, which there is little doUbt would
b.e dissipated the Moment they were acquaitited
with the spirit displayed by their brave Couutry
and with the determination of the Britiih
crvert. mient to assist them.

GovERNAERT have issued orciri fot: the release of
ill the Spanish prisoners belonging to the. Province
tif Asturias.

Opposition•
• The Writers again renewed their
attacks upon Ministers, for tardiness in affording relicf.
to the Spaniards. Thatibosewhoapprovedofthecon-
ilu& ofoe late Ministers shouldiCcuse the present Ad.
tninistration of tardiness, does, we codesS; a little
surprize us. It.is now very little more than three
weeks since the Government received information of
the massacre in' Madrid.on the 2d of May, arid. of
the disposition ,manifested in different parts of Spain
to resist the Usurper; and, in• that time; besides
~ending off supplies of arms and ammunition;they
4ale.prepared an Expedition upon a very large scale,
'°!.!)ieli will be ready to sail in a few day, and which,
Wr have no don bt; is destined for gpain. We should be
ititich Obliged to those who are so liberal of their
eltdrges against Ministers upon this finblea., if they
will hirnish us with a single instance, either within
their recolleCtion, or within the compass of their
leading, in which greatell dispatch and energy have
n displayed. ,

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It is said in the .chief Opposil;rnt PaPer, that
the Awaits . which support, Governrient at
,ibis
imPtortot ciiAis, when every loyal and P atri.'
9ti° man must be anxious to do the same, " de•
Maimed aiainst the Revolution . (1n Spain) as g
scheme of BUONAPARTE, and, felt, or affededi • an
nils:El:hate incredulity arts its being the general burst
.1. • -• •I 4 ..
eI Patriotic. feeling.” By this atiservatiori, the Pa-
Per alludedalluded to aiternita fa cOnfouhd matters totally
ti Istin
a.
rot. our part -we never said or,cOneeiVed
th
4..4 Ikie Revolution in Spain, except what imrne
:lately related to the Royal Rimily, was the work of
trowAnkTE. The weakness of one pirt of that
:arnily, and the ambition of another, rendered them:
il ea'sy prey tO.iiiIONAPARTI, and, with his charae-
.lo . t_
~
it., ~.... cristte subtletyand promiitness, he availed himself of
ILI! ..
the opportunity to get them into his powerito set there 1
to - it' Apposition to each other;and finally to overthrow
ro ' . t,l
"ein entirely. But we had too much, reliance oti
dii ti.l,4'' ood sense and spirit of the Pc.oplt of Spain to
'
l,'
5• , :.: 'l'rirense that they would be willing instrunients in
• Le bandit of BUONAPARTE to bring disgrace and
cii• i•-•
, -.-- bond
10:S-, , , age on ihemielvtis. We weretbd first to com-
a ..!, lugoicato.the intelligence of the noble spirit that
tie. ....,..,.i had broken . out us 8-pain, against the intended
5 ,„..!'4 esurpktion of the French," and instead of harbour-
ing " the obstinate incredulity" mentioned by the
°PPosition Pasper, hailed it " is a genuine bUrsi Of
Patriotic feeling." It wars impossible to suppose ibit
a whole people, particularly those of Spain, aftei
seeing the progress of France in other Conntries,
4'1(111w misery and oppression which masked their
foinsteps in all, should not have roused into:resist-
- ance on such an occasion ; .and' f there was really
any " obstinate incredulity's on the subjeet, it was
I finly to be. found among that Party who do all they
can to embarrass Ministers, aid to bring odium co

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