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London, England, 1830-12-20 00:00:00

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TRIAL OF THE EX-AIINISTER

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1 t '. ; I.= - • `: COURT OP PEERS.
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` - ' (Ceintinuat'on of the proceedings of Wednesday.)
! ' Itee- • - .•-- / y----' , MIAMI: OF 3t. COMMON IA RANVILLF.
I • .11.tii'cOMEtutilerment of M. de Ranville's examination
~was needy to the same effect as that of the ether prisoners
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i• •alreollY reported. - He declared that his motto had always
I, leen!" the King and the Charter, justice, and resolution,"
•''anti welt had been his political creed. The Bishops, res.'-
, .I°l4S'Aild patrons of universities, were under his controul.
kin hit -elretilars to them he had exhorted them to vote
~ sicionling to their conscience, and to endeavour, by till the
1 Ineatie:in their power, to obtain the return of Deputies
`Lialtbfate the King audio the institutions of the country.
I: He liadpreposed nothin•r to the Bishops of France incon-
!' militia with their dut and to s
alt There had only been
is ' 'sfunctionary. '
f este.° clay removed in his department. That
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It person liad'frequented the coffee-houses, and loudly an-
, tonnoid hie intention to give his vote to the opposition
I ' enuflidale. : It was towards the otiddle of July that the
1; ordirvincee were first propowd, but the prisoner declined
:: t!iviFift by, s hum the proposal had been male. The
,printilinta on Which the ordinances were founded were
, ' clever ifiactisserl in outwit. The prisoner did not con-
, suit Al. `Gee urvoisier es, to what bad passedin council,
"','but on certain general luestions, and in regard to the
tactics of the opposition journals, whirls resisted in
!, ;speaking of coups di etal. On being asked whether the
il *romances were opposed in council, the prisoner observed
that: the question was eery delicate, and required some
'explanation. He 'avowed that he did not understand the
-*. obligations of an osith'exactly as his colleagues had ,done.
'ltle thought-himself entitled to draw a distinction. He
t:• felt all the importance"of the oath taken by Ministers, but
ke believed that it was applicable only to secrets of state,
i*'itsif wie'not etherwite binding. . He thought himself ps-
i: titled in di-closing ' a:personal opinion in what concerned
hie colleagues individually. When he saw the examine-
;lion of hie colleagues, he perceived that they had regarded
'the oath more comprehensively. He might be Mistaken,
but the example of. Messrs. de Chabrol and de Courvoisier
•I'i pried that they coincided in his opinion. As to his re-
m, alliance to the ordinance*, his opinions were specified in
it
olio' declaration of the 20th of ' December. In pre-
(, ' "lied of the King he had resisted niliat was contrary to
Wl' OPioinn. On being asked what had induced the Mi-
1,., olilera • opposed to the system to sign the ordinances, the
prisoner anewered—i. They were voted by the majority."
; Tire respect . which he owed to time person of the King
forfuld him to answer the question, whether he had
: yielded ti a powerfUl authority ; but he thought it his
' thity to declare, that as far as he was concerned, the King
had never exercised any authority over his Ministers with
vebich his nonscience had reproached him. In regard to
i'
~the plating Faris. in a state of siege, the prisoner declared,
' that in monition with all his colleagues he would have stop-
-, d the Weldon of blood at the risk of his own life.
He was -Aware of the step taken by the Deputies, and
; • anded, that the King was also acquainted with it ; but
; be, did not know what answer had been made
It by Charles X., nor whether one of the Ministers
j,,, had been to St. Cloud during the night between Wednes-
day and Thursday. No Council was held on Thursday.
It'svas merely decided that the Ministers should go to St.
' Cloud. The prisoner was aware of the visit of M. de
it Bentonville, which had hastened their departure. The
; . prisoner was present at the Council which was held at St.
: Cloud,. when the recall of the ordinances was resolved on.
! Here the President begged M. de Ranville to he seated,
i.
' but the latter asked leave to make an' observation. He
' wished to explain himself with regent to the deposition of
; . one of the witnesses, the Sieur Chome. This witness
;', had asserted, that on being consulted as to the validity of
1, the marriage of the clergy, the prisoner had stated that
the members of the priesthood might contract a civil
marriegis. This was a great error. lie had always thought
that according to the concordat of 1802, which declared
1, the Catholic religion to be the religion of the majority of
the French, sad according to the Charter, which declared
I:' it to be the religion of the State, the marriage of the
C
1 Clergy was interdicted, because the concordat, as well as
14 the Charter, bad preserved the discipline of the Church
: hi full vigour.
, This interrogatory being finished, the President ad.
drooled some further questions to M. de Polignac.
, ln your answer to the questions which have been put to
you in the coarse of this examination, you have mentioned
, a report which should have been made to the King on the'
• 16th of April—was this report presented to him?---
st, 'Yeas Sir, as far as I Can recollect.
'Were the ordinances of July the consequence of it ?
; Not at all.
i 1011 have said that you wrote a letter to the King on
It edoeeday !Veiling concerning the step which the Deputies
; a taken towards you,' west was, the anawklttat you re-
, ,ftieedl-4 ' have said already 'that it 'was impossible•for
I!te to make any reply as to the contents of that answer.
The President (to Count Peyroentst.)—Some doubts
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Might remain in the minds of many upon an extraordinary
,i, fact that is registered in your examination, it is proper
:that you should enlighten the Court on this 'head. You
~• imbed that you were asked if you bail seen the Prefect
' of the Police in the course of the three days ; you replied,
.4‘ That you had only seen hint on Sunday evening, and
that from that time you had not seen him again s" 1 Jute('
, lOU Whether, admitting that the Prefect of Police had so far
, forgotten his duties as not to make any report or to send
inny communication to you, you had, on your part, taken
-any measures to obtain from him the inforination which
• 11e neglected to transmit to you ?—These motives have
• ; already been sufficiently explained in the examination
s Which took place before the Chamber of Peers. I think
v. 4 may diipense with any further explanation. I have
r clothing more to add.
~' The President—l must remark that there is a great dif•
; ~.rreace between the written documents read before the
• uhamber of Peers and a verbal answer. The written do-
, temente serve evidently as notes ; lint the conviction of
► :the Judges is to be effected by means of oral testimony.
it it for your personal interest to reply without preyed-
: tation.—ln circumstances of such high importance I shall
:Odle be swayed by motives of personal interest. As
• • tho'le circumstances become more serious and more daft-
Mous, still more shall I be able to repel any considerations
Of selfish interest. After lowing addressed this reply to
; ' Oa interrogatory of the President, I shall in my turn beg
i rrthiNlion. to remind him, that what he has said would
' - It itteontroiertible in its principle, if this Court were a
4 ft)ur: d'As'iseo; before a jut•y, indeed, nothing is read, all
.
• • °Picea ; before you, Noble Peers, the accused may both
• •oPrak and read.
'-, i Tbe President-.-Have the Commissioners of the Chant-
We of Deputies army further questions to put the accused?
4 i Af'•P°llll---Every answer made by the accused has been
; ,_"ce.ompanied by a protest, .or is remarkable by its reserve.
ill to be•destred that they should explain the motives for
these.protests and fur this reserve; we are at a loss to ac-
'-lloorit for them.
',,, M. de Pey:ronnet—lt was I who made the first reeer-
-144--the first protest. The Court will not be sur-
' Ptiaed that I should rise at the interrogatory which has
~ir been put. I nowt first say, that I have some cause to
. eurprited at it. It has, indeed, been addressed to us by
I,llll:members of a commission to whom I have fully made
ff!11 our motives for such reserve ; whatever they may
`''that ought to repeat them here. It is easy to discover,
: t ""( the grounds for protest is the positive, out-
'Ts,POO, incivility,
Imo. There • •
con mu in the first exantina•
ere it I.:
Was nsegaasy at the first
-1110110 tit 'in' 107. the ' presence of this Court. The second
,-,•tiliroa nod, for reserve is not, as has been supposed, the ques-
-4,A% ,_' the competency of the Court, (I consider that
. anal ill constitutional and incontestable,) but, in the
7-4.!1. exercise of its jurisdiction, as regards the accused
ladi:viiduels arraigned before it.
'• • iem,. Persil-.-Do the accused intend to draw any formal
; .e_lusious from these observations ?
• ipillthllll,l‘lartignao rose hastily and said--That belongs
1., .'147, .flue_reftect and will be explained in it.
:•eiceetr_7r;oter--elt is the accused who are being ques-
t.. itt..ll, tie time ; the accused must reply.
• *Moe alltriltrotc--It is my duty to reply to a question,
, .. concerns the defence.
jatiw de 'Peyronnet interrupting M. de Martignac,-
-of or, net Sir, a word. I think that the Commissioners
•, bis. !larder of Deputies have the right to question me;
ieli'ol 1.11,10 k (allow me the expression, I am reduced to
tit I think they 'of theiiiete are eornpletly wrong in the nature
apeoto
the rats/dories. They ought to hear, in this re-
, also 0 replies for the defence ; and I dare to say, such
W duty of this noble Court. salt to I shall find it diffi
tet ,cotoprehend that they should conceive themselves
Coe 1 t° quettion either the defendants or their
tile lieforeh
bittot the and, and before, the moment is arrived,
ties. nature, the substance, and the object of the con-
- pteet,". which day appear necessary in time course of the
teetti;rll.,ll. I have said enough, I think, on the irregu-
the co "e Proceedings in my written answers, to make
e ~.._ intruttee ante Chtunher of Deputies well aware of it;
' 'los sajo
occurred to enough, I think, upon the doubts which have
Meat by themnoebi" to the jurisdiction exercised at this mo-
I. a, not
amp 0 think it possible that I should be further quell-
; !heard *, this point. When all the witnesses have been
• bee oll'oeu the.blembers of the Committee of the Chatn-
; atterrP/Stiti brie been heard, when we are allowed to
i-; 4 air flofettrOs then will he
the moment to adopt

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count wa Itly the IRMO as mit orOlgrs<4y give at
in the published narrative of the three days.
M. Rivers was here forthcoming upon the subject of the
allusion made to his name by the Prccureur du Roi. HI
said, that upon reading the ordinances in the Moniker
on the Monday morning, he repaired to M. Mangin at the
Police-office, who told him that he had been to the
Minister of the Interior to complain of not having been
apprised of the ordinances before their publication.
Count Peyronnet here rose again, to declare that he I a I
not kept himself out of the sight of M. lilangin to avoi
imparting to him this inforMation. He certainly did not
go to look for him on the occasion, as he had not the
honour of his personal acquaintance; tier had be ever
spoken to him on the Sunday night, except in a general
way ; but on the Sunday night at ten o'clock he did most
positively prepare N. Margin for the reception qf these
ordinances on the following morning, and, at the same
time, e.trrees to him his great apprehension, for the re.
:cult.—(Tiiil last sentence MU delivered by Count Peyron-
net with great animation.)
The Procureur du Roi was here recalled end placed
next Al, Rivers. The former again said, that though M.
Men& had said he was only officially apprised of the or-
dinances through the Moniteur on the Monday morning,
yet that he had intimated some general knowledge of the
intention to issue them on the preceding night, but that
it was then too lite to avert the consequence. of want of
preparation to enforce them.

The Poutt, at a quarter pat (our, adjourned till tu-
ft-wren-.

TIMID DAY—]he. 17.

These Will are proceeding amidst uninterrupted tran-
quillity; nevertheless, the strictest military surtnillonce
i 8 maintained ; the National and Municipal Guards And
the troops of the line occupy their posts, and supply inces-
sant infantry and cavalry picquets. The cases which aro
related of disturbances in the streets are merely indiildual
acts of insubordination, and there is no reason to appre-
hend popular commotion.

Tit; Peers met this morning at ten o'clock its usual, and
the priumers were conducted to the bar as on the former
day.. Prince Polignite, upon entering, conversed earnestly
with M. hfartignatt,-hicronosei, holding 'him at the same
time grasped affectionately with bit baud. Several gen-
tlemen of the bar deputation, who are in the space railed
off from the prisoners, shook htiaclo and conversed with
Count Peyronnet. All the prismters were in talose'con-
versation with their counsel while the Peers were ranging
through the Chamber Mtheir plisses, and being called over
by the grainer. The attendance was, as before, every
where crowded. The 'Duke de Banana is a constant
spectator in the gallery. . The diplomaiic boxes are every
day full, hut none of the Ambassadors attend personally,
probably in delicacy to the unfortunate Prince Polignsc,
who was so long a member of their corps, Ind who must
(were they pretoot) be now seen by them in a situation so
widely different froM that in which they were wont to be-
hold him in his days of political elevation. Prince Po-
lignite hears a striking resemblance in features to Mr.
Astell, the East India Director, without being of such tall
stature. In height, features, dress, and tone of voice,
Count Peyronnet very much.reeembles the lett Mr. Hus•
kisson, possessing, however, mere energy of manner.
The demeanour of all' the prisoners is calm, and indeed
diznified ; and M. di Chsntelause looks in better health.
When the Court was formally Opened, M. Hennequin,
Counsel for Count Peyronnet, rose and addressed the Pre-
sident, respecting the visit of M. Mallen to the Gaunt on
the Sunday evening. Ile said that all employil of the
Minister of the Interior, who had read the evidence °flea-
tcrtlay, had called upon him to say that he wished to be
examined, for the purpose of showing that Count Vey-
ronnet had throughout evinced the utmost anxiety to take
precautions against the unhappy troubles of the city, and
had actually seen M. Illangin, the Prefect of the Police,
on the Sunday night.
The President gave the necessary orders for the produc-
tion of this witness. •

Just at this moment the Duke de }Jrng!ie and U. de
Ilarrsnte, who were not in court yesterday, took their
sent* behind the President.

The first witness this day was M. Lalitre, who deposed
(as we have already given in his depositions) in the par-
ticulars of his visit to Marshal Marmara at the Tuileries
with MM. Cassimir Perrier, Gerard, Loban, and Mangin,
in the hope of negotiating for a suspension of the Milian
hostilities, a revocation of the ordinances, and a change of
the Ministers of Charles X. He described, exactly in the
terms already employed ht his published depositions, the
tvgret expressed by Marshal Mermout at his melancholy
situation us a soldier which compelled him to passive obe-
dience, the message from Prince de Poligna6 that as be
had no power of seceding to their terms, it *as useless to
receive the deputation. it vas on the inggestion of Mar.
moat that Polignac's name was mentioned, when be
asked if they had any objection to see him. The answer
was, none whatever; but when the Marshal retired to an
adjoining chamber to speak to the Prince end rejoined
them, the answer was ste above, that such an inferfirW
would be useless, although ea the staircase an officer laid
that Pricey Polignac would have great pleasure to receive
them, which proved, in the sequel, to be a mistake. The
Marshal said he would communicate to the King what
had passed, but hinted no hope of success.
M. de Martignac here rose and expressed a wish that

the Court would ask if M. Lafitte, upon Marshal Mar.
mont's return from Prince Pangaea, to announce the
presence of the deputetion, had obeerved any change in
the Marshal's countenance which would tend to convey a
notion that he had encountered any obstacle in the closet,
on the part of the Prince, to the pacific intervention of M.
Lafitte and his colleagues.
M. Lafitte, on being desired by the President to reply,
acid that he had observed no change of that kind. The
Marshal's features were as before, those of a man who had
no expectation of success front the beginning to their mis-
sion, and who merely on his return to them wished to
sty, that if he had any further communication to make to
them, they should bear from him. There was a crowd of
officers in the ante-room as they entered, whose counte-
nances bespoke a hope of successful issue to their mission,
but on retiring these appearances were thangell to sheep-
poinunent and dejection. it was M. Laroche Jacquelin
who said to them, under a mistake, that Prince Polignite
wished to see them. The Marshal alivays said he should
send a despatch to St. Cloud of their situation, and as uni-
formly indicated by words and manner, that he bad no
hopes of our proposition being acceded to, bet that if itny
change book place, he should let us know.
The evidence of both M. Lafitte and Cassimir Perrier
was received with great attention by the Court, and these
gentlemen were immediately accommodated with seats on
the ilmr after the delivery of their testimony.
M. Cassimer Perrier was the next witness; and he
deposed in full confirmation of M. I..afitte's narrative' of
the interview with blarment at the Tuileries, and exaCtly
in the words already given in his depositions already pub-
lished. He was asked no quotient' on the part at the
prisoners.
The two next witnesses were, the Aidetede-camp in
attendance upon Marshal Marmot, who were called to
depose to the occurrences which they witnessed near his
person while on duty during the three days. One of
them (the second), a Pale, reluested the Indulgence of the
Court for his manner of speaking the French language.
M. de Guise said, that as Aide-de-ramp to the Marshal
Duke of Ragusa, he knew that on the Monday morning
the Marshal, who was appointed to the command of the
troops in Paris, had set out hastily to St. Cloud ; but
whether he saw there either the King or Mum Patinae
witnese could not say. He then narrated the orders given
on the Monday In the troops to arrange thenwelsee in
different parts of Paris front the Tuileries to the Town-
house, and on the Boulevard., to stop the popular move-
meet. The orders of the Mirehal were foe the troops to
use their arms with the greatest reserve and caution, and
only to use violence in ease of imminent necessity. 'He
believed that the Marshal kept up a tenstant counnunica.
lion with the King daring the troubles, and had apprised
hint of the particulars. • On the Tuesday he knew the
Marshal wrote to' the King that all was cairn, and
the troops then reposing undisturbed in their quar-
ters;---it was, .however, on that day that Paris w"
declared to 'be in a state of siege. biter on the same
day, nevertheless, all things were altered, end thin,
from the accounts received by the Marshal, he wrote
to the King to say, that it wax not a popular tumult but
a real revolution which was impending in Paris; anti it
was jot after he had written that AL Lafitte and the De.
posies came to the Tuileries ; the moment they were gone,
the Marshal wrote another letter to the King, which Was
instantly despatched to St. CLAW. ll* mould no
what answer was returned from St, Cloud, but lie belitied
a letter did come late in the evening, and it was eater that
the order was given to distribute a mouth's' gratification
(exult pay) to the troops.
Did the Marshal take any steps to stop the effusion of
blood ?—ife did ;he desired the troops to seam firing, and
ordered a proclamation to be issued, to forbid tile pteo tell
)lle
from resorting to violence.

TllO witness WAS present, he proceeded to state, when
MM. de Stmonville and d'Argout arrived at the Toilerltes
but he:knew nothing of the particulate of tittir iuttrview with
the Ministets, u he went out at the tint* to order, u
tinge; but while there for a moment lie hoard thou will-
tern engaged in a very Warta conversation witittk..24l4Al
and Prince Polignao.
A convetutiou ensued betwom assniPolf a4"11 that