The Sun.
London, England, 1863-07-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening.
KITCHEN AND REFRESHMENT-ROO:qS.
Sir DE LACY EVANS, in the absence
Froefn theh hon. and
French),
hpir d
sopose
gallant member for Roscommon (Colonel
the following motion :—" That in the opinion
house
the enlargement of the dining rooms proposed by the com-
mittee on the kitchen and refreshment roomssheuld
be
carried into execution." The proposed alteration was
indis-
pensable for the comfort and convenience of the members.
Lord HOTHAM. opposed the motion, because the. pro-
posed alterations would interfere with the division l( ibbies,
and would be a waste of public money. The tact wets that
some hon. members desired to assimilate the refreshment
rooms of the House of Commons to the coffee.rooms of the
Clubs, which he considered an objectionable step. cone of
the coffee-rooms was open to the public. If, therefore,
hon. members required more ace ,mmodation this. room
could be kept entirely for them. It was proposed to allow
the manager of the rooms £2OO a year, in order to obtain
better viands and wines. He objected to the expenditure
of the public money on any such purpose, because it would
be akin to paying wages to members of Parliament. Lot
hon members pay for what they had.
Sir P, O'BRIEN supported the proposed chenge.
Sir J. TRELAWNY deprecated the expenditure of
public money on members' dinners. Such a suggestion
made in public made his blood boil. (Laughter.) If tl.eey
acceded to such an allowance they would greatly lower the
dignity of the house.
Mr. BASS considered that an ample allowance should
be allowed to the caterer.
Mr. OSBORNE was surprised at a financial reformer
like the hon. member (Mr. Bass) supporting this motion.
Mr. BASS—No, no.
Mr. OSBORNE understood that he sat for Derby on
financial reform principles.
Mr. BASS--Nothing of the kind.
Mr. OSBORNE said the house was so defectively con-
structed, even at a cost of £3,000,000, that neither that
house nor any part of it was properly constructed. The
committee who drew up the report on the proposed altera-
tions not only desired a sumptuous dining room, but cel-
lars where some eminent wine merchants who had been
selected could deposit stocks of wines. If this were
permitted, the Speaker would often find himself alone in.
the chair, and the hon. member for Derby and the others
who had signed the report would spend their days and
nights in drinking. (Roars of laughter.) The Gebat,
were never better conducted than in the old days of mutton
chops at Bellamy's,
Col. WHITE explained that the cellars were already
constructed. The commtttee, in making their recommen-
dations, amply desired to promote the comfort and conve-
nience of the members. Mr. Steers supplied wine at a very
reasonable price.
Mr. BENTINCK supported the motion.
Mr. COWPER said the house ought to be much obliged
to the committee for the trouble they had taken in thi
matter. It would be well to try and discover whether better
accommodation could not be made without the proposed
expenditure of £5,000. (Hear, hear.) He advised the hon.
and gallant member ttl withdraw his motion and defer the
matter until next session.
After a few words from Mr. DILwYN,
Sir DE LACY EVANS withdrew the motion.
PARTNERSHIP LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
This bill was recommitted, in order to introduce some
amendments.
Mr. HUBBARD moved that the chairman leave the
chair. He considered that the bill in the present form
would prove utterly valueless to the commercial commu-
nity.
Mr. CAVE, whilst he considered the principle of
"limited liability" incited the people to embark in
hazardous speculations, yet he should sueport the.
bill, though based somewhat on that system, because it
would merely use it in its very mildest and harmless sense.
Mr. GOSUHEN warmly supported the bill.
Mr. VANCE opposed the bill, whilst Mr. FORSTER. looked
upon it as an indispensable addition to the existing law of
limited liability.
Mr. T. BARING strongly opposed the measure because.
in his opinion, it would introduce lax principles into trade
by taking away that inducement to trade carefully which
now existed in firms responsible to their last shilling for all
the obliwations into which they might enter.
Mr. wEGUELIN approved of the bill because it would
base trade upon distinct and public capitals, which was tho
natural basis of all credit. The bill would rather restrict
than expand credit, and keep it within proper bounds. It
was the limited liability of companies that limited and re-
gulated their credit.
Mr. M. GIBSON said the bill had already received the
approval of the house, and been carefully sifted by a select
committee, to which it was carried by the expretshsedecsliaruesoefs
thee
fhouseor the ;
hon.
it was,
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t, believing that
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the bill would promote private trade at the expense of the
ns
na
twbne oa reasonllow e
supported the. bill.
public.
Mr.lieLpiNrinDcSiPAle!ef limite lability shoußlde
twohtywto people as to se_ven, as the law at present stood.
Mr. STAN SON
supported the bill.
The committee divided, when there appeared—
For the motion .............
.KSONoose
Colonel DICK d.
Against it
s3wMajority
hd'em; eP'n r:°; after:w:t; t:hani:sl;*
bill.
On discussioneor3eag agreed
Report' on
variousl aeuu ssee resumed.
to
ITwhhiteci,i
ANCHORS AND CHAIN CAILaEyS. BILL.
The house went into committee onl'th
On clause 1,
per-
sons T"UnßotNEbeßin
gmanufacturers of anchors or chain
proposed to insert after the word " per-
cablteat eso t
theirthat partiesamt in this position could not conclu-
sivelyvianci es or chain cables, or those of
others, and giveh e
required certificates.
The
conamitteew divided, -ndmdeedh.tw..hen there appeared--
For
the
60
Against ..
30

Maorit....
Tha words were theretore added to the clause.
M.r. LINDSAY said the bill, as thus amended, would be
found utterly inoperative.
At a quarter to six the house resumed.
The further progress of the bill in committee was de•
ferred.
The Expiring Laws Continuance Bill was read a second
time,
The house rose shortly before six o'clock.