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" This was the most unkindest cut of all."—(Cheers.)
He certainly must say, not in bitterness of spirit, but from the
bottom of his heart, he wished "an enemy had said this l"
(Loud cheers.) Ministers had declared against that Church,
and when Ministers had so declared, was it to be wondered that
it had assumed a most formidable aspect 2—(Loud cheers.)
What was the demand ? Justice for Ireland. So also did
they on the Opposition side contend for justice to Ireland.—
( Loud cheers.) Justice to the Judges ofLlreland, whose feel-
ings were outraged—whose opinions were insulted_. whose
sentences were reversed by the Lieutenant of the King;
justice to the Magistracy of Ireland, whose authority was de-
graded by the fact, hardly denied, that turbulent violators of
the law were placed in the commission of the peace, side by
side with its accredited guardians and defenders—(Loud
cheers)—justice to the Protestant clergy of Ireland, whose
legal rights were overborne by open violence, whose property
was despoiled with impunity, whose lives were attacked in
open day, and from whom the protection of the King's Govern-
ment seemed almost to be withdrawn in the face of the tyran-
nous hatred of a persecuting majority—justice to the freehol-
ders of Ireland, who were overawed in the exercise of the
elective franchise by the daring, daily, constant interference of
those priests, who, according to the creed of the multitude in
that country, held in their hands the keys of Heaven and of
Hell—(Cheers)—and brought to bear the hopes and fears of
another world on the passing struggles of this—justice to the
entire people of Ireland, by vindicating the majesty and supre-
macy of the law with unflinching impartiality and manly bold-
ness, whereby they might hope life would become more se-
cure, and the rights of property more respected in that un-
happy country. Those were his demands, and the demands of
those with whom he had the honour to act, of justice to Iv:.
land.—(Loud cheers.) And when they had satisfied therd.....
then, but not until then, they should be prepared to colisiil,er
the extension of popular privileges in that country, and. en-
counter even the danger of the Ministerial " Normal schools
of peaceful agitation."—(The Right Hon. Baronet sat down
amidst the loudest and most enthusiastic cheering, which con-
tinued some minutes.)

Mr. SHE IL—The Right Hon. Baronet commenced his
speech by saying he believed he was regarded by this side of
the House as a sectarian and a bigot ; whether his speech
was calculated to remove any such injurious impression, I will
leave those who heard it to determine.—(A laugh.) I can-
not help thinking that he has made use of language, in speak-
ing of the Roman Catholics, such as no Roman Catholic. ;.n
this House would have ever applied to the Protestant Churc%.
--(Cheers.) No Roman Catholic in this House has spoken
of the Church of England, or of the Church of Ireland, in
language so derogatory as that which they have heard applied
to them by a Member of that communion—as that which they
have heard, not with disgust—no such thing, but with a feeling
of commiseration—( Hear, bear)—with a feeling of sur-
prise that a person who once sat on this side of the House,
and «'llO was so strenuous and uncompromising an advocate
for reform, that he defied all its consequences in Ireland,
should on this occasion be so far led away as to utter the ex-
pressions which have been heard from him. Why did he speat:
of Spain ? Whv did he refer to the atrocities which kayo
been committed' in that country ? Why was Cabrera'', why
was Quesada's name introduced 1?—( Cries of " Hear hear.")
I will not call the Right Honourable Gentlerr•an a bigot
—( Hear, hear)—but he will pardon me if I tall him a con-
vert. —( Laughter.). On this occasion he has exhibited all
that zeal and enthusiasm for which cr..,nver'sion—conversion h° ,
it—is proverbial.--( Loud Cheers.) In the course of his
speech, which was certainly an extremely discursive one, ha
did me the honour to refer to a speech of mine, and I
must
confess he spoke of me in terms which were most comPll-
mentary. 1, in return, must say I hear him always with the
most unqualified pleasure he is in heart most generous and
humane, and his tongue carries conviction to the mind.r
( Cheers and laughter.) I remember an instance of this
in a speech made by the Right Hon, Baronet at Cocker-

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Aouth—a speech in which there was some reference to a re- as clearly as those who remonstrated with you.—(Hear.) You round your Church," " Rally round your Constitution.
creant Whig— tell me you have fears for the Church. y I shall not use any They appealed to the passions of the people; they got the
Sir J. GRAHAM—That was a long time ago. warm language with respect to that Church. If that Whigs out of office, and in eight years after they passed this
Mr. SHEIL—WeII, no matter; I don't know how long it Church be, as it is said, built upon a rock, it is a very hard very measure.—(Hear, and loud cheers.) Yes, in eight
svas ago.—( A laugh.) Sir, in my opinion, this measure be- one. We are told, too, that there are millions of men ready years they passed the very measure which they made such
fore the House must be granted: In saying this I assert no to die for it. If it will afford martyrs, many of them are as strenuous and discreditable efforts to obstruct.—(Cheers.)
morere than was said, I believe, the night before last, by the ready to insult and put to death others as well as suffer such I ask you, are you playing the same game now?—(lmmense
Nuble Lord who sits behind the Right Hon. Baronet. The themselves. I will not suggest one word against that Church; cheering.) I do not say you are, but if you are, shame,
.Noble Lord said municipal corporation reform should not but, admitting it to be the asylum of truth, I still cannot but shame upon you.—( Immense cheering.) Let the facts speak
he granted to Ireland. I say it shall be granted.—( Hear, think it unfortunate that that Church is made the plea for for themselves. Look at the language of the journals in your
bear.) The Right lion. Baronet has also referred to a refusing every concession. If we ask for the remission of a interest. Look at the papers containing the names of the
meeting which was held at a place which he calls the severe and grievous impost, you answer, the Church—if we subscribers for the publication of " Fox's Book of Martyrs,"
Lichfield House of Commons. Ile described the resulof ask you for any benefit, you answer, the Church—if we ask with the name of the Duke of Cumberland at the head of
that meeting as a compact between two parties. I have you to do justice to Ireland, and make perfect the Emancipa- them.—( Loud cheers.) What was the language used at the
al ready stated the expression I used with respect to that tion Bill, you still answer, tile Church.—(Hear.) You say Mansion-house in Dublin 7—Ay, at the Mansion-house, the
meeting—I said that there was then formed " a compact we must hale time same Church in both countries; but you seat of the Corporation, and at a meeting at which the Hon.
alliance." But if you were to hear of the Lichfield House cannot have in both the same Corporations, because the same and Learned Member for Bandon (Sergeant Jackson) at-
of Commons, do you remember that in 1831 there was a Corporations and the same Church cannot exist together.— tended? What said the Evening Mail? Why, that the mo-
meeting at Brookes's Club?—( Cheers.) Does the Noble ( Hear from the Opposition.) Then the Church of eight hun- ment Lord Roden appeared there with Orange emblems, as-
Lord, or the Right Hon. Baronet, remember that on that oc- dred thousand is to be maintained, and the Corporations of Burning an attitude of thoughtfulness, and exhibiting an Orange
"'ion there was an assemblage of Irish Members, who had seven millions to be refused.—( Cheers.) I now come to the handkerchief, he walked up the room. Then, said the Even-
differed from the Government, and who were called upon by course which was pursued on the Reform question, and the ing Mail, there was a display of Orange handkerchiefs; then
that Whig Government to forego their differences, and enter observations I have to make cannot be at all applicable to came peal after peal of the Conservative or Kentish fire.
into " a compact alliance" with them ?—( Cheers.) The the Right Honourable Baronet. The Tories stood forward Does the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tamworth,
Noble Lord and the Right Hon. Baronet were members of as the opponents of reform—they objected to reform being approve of all this ? Tile Right Hon. Baronet's speech at
,that Whig Government. The Right Hon. Baronet shakes his conceded to Ireland. They said that reform would annihilate Glasgow was distinguished for its moderation. But the Right
"ead, but there is nothing in it.—( Laughter.) All must re- their power in Ireland ; that 44 the Roman Catholics would Hon. Baronet could not cheek this formidable display, al-
collect the course taken by tile Noble Lord on that occasion. not only drive them from the guns, but turn tile guns against though he might entreat for a forbearance to offer gratuitous
The Noble Lord in a paroxysm, I will not say of after dinner them."—( Hear, hear.) This was the language of the Re- insult to the feelings of the people of Ireland. But lam
oratory, delivered one of the most powerful speeches I have corder of Dublin, and of every other Irish Tory who spoke on dwelling too long on this subject. I will come to tile ques-
ever heard against the very persons with whom he is now ope- the subject. 'What did the Noble Lord ( Lord Stanley) tion. All we ask is simply justice. Can you reconcile it
rating. I have not adverted to this subject for ally malevolent then say of the cautions that were thus given by those with with common sense or justice, that I, who stand in this House
purpose._( Hear, and ironical cheers from the Opposition whom he was now sitting ?_( Hear, hear. )—Here is the lan- as Member for the county of Tipperary, cannot be a member
members.) But have I not a right to advert to it?—( Cheers gual„se of the Noble Lord. Citations, I know, are not fa- of the Corporations of Cashel or Clonmell ?--( Loud cheers.)
from Members on the Ministerial benches ?) Is the Lichfield- vourably received here; but when the Right Hon. Baronet The thing is monstrous. We ask for justice, and we will
house meeting to be made the subject of discussion in this spends the recess in groping out speeches—(laughter)— persevere in the assertion of our just cause.--( Cheers.) If
House, and out of this House—and is a meeting at which the when he even refers to Cabrera's mother--surely a person the Tories come into power, they shall find us here—( Cheers)
Noble Lord took so conspicuous a part not to be made the may be excused from reading such a document as this.— —they will*find us combined and confederated against them.
subject matter of debate ?—(Hear.) Is tile one to be fair game ( Hear. )-1t is very short. I bgin with a paragraph referring We beat them before, and we will beat them again.—
and the other to be prohibited?—( Hear, hear.) If you are to the Irish Members. The extract is taken from volume 17, (Cheers.) What is our cause ? I will tell you what our
not disposed to do justice to Ireland, do justice at least to the page 2278 of the Mirror of Parliament. Lord Stanley cause is. You took from us a Parliament. If you left us our
person who is now speaking to you, and who will break through thus speaks :—" I call upon those who are for reform in Parliament, there would have existed in Ireland the same do-
no rule of decorum in his address to you.--( Hear.) The England to look back, and consider what has been the con- minion over that Parliament as the British people have over
Right Hon. Baronet in the course of his address to you pro- duct of the Irish Members with respect to that Bill." We theirs. But you bought our House of Commons, and you paid
ceeded to comment on the General Association. Now, I certainly carried the Reform Bill. A majority of Eng- fer it in gold ; ay, gold in its most palpable and sordid shape.
think that lie ought to feel that this was dangerous ground for lish Members, a majority of Scotch Members, voted against You affected to enter into a league with us ; and the head of
him to tread uPon—if not for himself, at least for his existing it. We insured its success, I invoke, then, the people of the Administration of the time, the great Minister of the day,
associates.—( Hear.) You talk of that Association. How England and the people of Scotland in this crisis to stand be- by his classical references elucidated and illustrated that great
"g ago, I ask, is it since the Right Hon. Baronet the Mein- side use__( Hear, hear, and cheers.)--The Noble Lord then mutational compact.—Twenty-nine years had passed before
her for Tamworth, when called upon to form an Association, proceeded to speak of reform in England and Ireland. He said, this House took a single step for carrying that contract
selected its the objects of his special favour the members of an 4, If it be just here, so it must be just there."—(Cheers.) —" I into effect. At length Emancipation was forced from you,
Association which has since been denounced by the House of entreat of the advocates of the Conservative interest (the Noble Parliamentary Reform came next, and Corporation Reform
Commons.—(Cheers.) The lion. Member for Sligo, the Lord was then on this side of the House) and those who con- was given to England ; and now, when we ask you for the
Treasurer of the Orange Society, was promoted—(Cheers)_ sider themselves the supporters of the Protestant institutions, same privileges which you exercise yourselves, you refuse
the treasurer of a society that tampered with the army.—(Loud to look at the danger to which those institutions are exposed. them. Yes, that which you had not dared to refuse to the
cheers, and cries of " No, no !" from Colonel Perceval.) By withholding the privileges which this Bill confers you will people of England, you have contemptuously denied to the
Have we not the evidence of that? Has not the evidence been give to Ireland a real substantial grievance.--( Cheers.) It people of Ireland. Is this justice? Oh, but there is an
Produced in this House that the Orange Society was in corn- will give a handle for agitation—a great argument for the anxiety to do us justice.---(A laugh.) This is the language
munication with the army ? Was there not the declaration of repeal of the Union.—( Loud cheers.) Do not let them say that has been always used ever since Strongbow first put his
the Duke of Cumberland that he was unacquainted with the that in the House of Commons English interests were treated toot on the shores of Ireland. Yes, every Englishman to
fact ?—(llear, hear.) Is there an Orangeman in this House— one way, and Irish interests in another—( Cheers)—that in whom the Government of Ireland has been committed, pro-
Is there a Gentleman in this House—who can deny that the England public opinion is attended to, while in Ireland the fessed the utmost solicitude to do justice. Even Strafford,
Proofs were afforded to us that warrants were issued to the public voice is stifled. I, for one, cannot conceive how, in a the deserter of tile people's cause—( Loud cheers)—the rene-
army ? Will that be denied ? spirit of fairness and justice, this can be done. Agitation will gade Wentworth, while setting his foot on the necks of Irish-
Colonel PE RC E VAL—Yes, I deny it...so( Hear, and cries break out, and in a manner that it has never done before. I men, declared his anxiety to do justice. lam not surprised at
of o m s I
Order m"e wish to state distinctly, that I did not say cannot conceive that any thing can be more clear than that this, for the same influence now exists by which Strafford was
that warrants were not issued ; but I did, and do say, that the there ought to be all extension of the English Bill to Ireland. influenced. But while all others professed to do justice, there
army was not tampered with.—(llear, hear, from Members on I cannot conceive (his conception has since improved) how we is one amongst you of the most distinguished talent, and the
the Opposition benches.) can refuse to treat both countries equally, and make the same most decided character. He is not a Member of this House
Mr. SHE IL—We do not materially differ. In fact, what principle applicable to all the members of the empire."—(Loud —but he spoke at least with more frankness than others of
insist on is this, that warrants were issued to the army. We cheers.) Now the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) his party.—( Hear.) He does not profess to do justice to Ire-
have that in the printed reports; we have it, too, stated there speaks of fears for the Church, and shows distinctions between land, he is above imposture, and part of the epitaph on Char-
that Mr. Bo ton moved that warrants should be sent to a par- the two countries. If the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) tees is applicable to him. This distinguished person tells us,
.titular regiment. We have abundant evidence of the fact, and who sits on his right hand will do me the honour of adverting when making an appeal to the passions of the Eng-
'? Consequence of that evidence, Lord Hill issued an order to to anything I say, I hope he will have the goodness to extri- lish people, he tells us—the people of Ireland—that in every
the army. ( Hear, hear.) 1 entreat tile Hon. and Gallant cite the Noble Lord from his difficulty—( Hear and laughter) particular be which strangers can be enumerated we are aliens to
Gentleman opposite (Col. Perceval) to believe that, if I refer —and certainly it will require all the consummate dexterity this country.—(Tremendous cheering, which lasted for five
to him, it is in no spirit of unkindness. I fairly and frankly for which the Right Honourable Baronet is so conspicuous minutes, and was renewed with bursts of enthusiasm. Lord
tellt_ him that Ido so, because Mr. Pigott being a member of to serve his friend, for he certainly is now in need of it.— Lyndhurst was sitting under the gallery.) The phrase is cu-
e Association has been so much dwelt upon by Honourable (Cheers and great laughter.) Is it not, after all, a pain_ tainly a remarkable one, and one which now belongs to his-
Members on the other side. I point, then, to the Hon. and ful thing to see the man who uttered sentiments like these_ tory.—( Renewed cheering.) It is one which must neces-
e'allant Member who was promoted by the Right Hon. whose principles were so advocated—is it not a lamentable sarily be the subject of observation hereafter. lam not
Baronet the Member for Tamworth. I shall only advert to tiling to see him occupy his present position ? He will forgive aware whether that phrase has ever been attempted to be ex-
another—Lord Roden, who was also raised to a very high me for saying, that it is more with a feeling of mournfulness plained.—( Cries of " Oh, oh," and cheers.) I know the
office : he is, I admit, an individual of the highest respect, than resentment that I see him where he is.—( Hear, hear.) phrase has never been distinctly disavowed.—( Immense
but a member of the Orange Association. Surely-, then, It is melancholy to see him where he is ; and the pain is ag_ cheering.) I know that the utterance of that phrase has not
when the Tories make charges against the present Govern- gravated by tile tone and character of the speeches he has been denied, and with respect to the meaning of it but little
anent for promoting members of one Association, they ought lately addressed to this House. The man who speaks thus, or doubt can be entertained.—( Cheers.) I know that in this
to recollect that they dwell ill so fragile a tenement that they who uttered such language amid the acclamations ofthose who House upon occasion immediately after that remarkable phrase
rani: of with impunity incur the danger of a tile being flung heard him, that is the very man who tells the people of Ireland had been uttered I took the liberty—if it be one, I beg pardon
upon the roof of their place of refuge. (Laughter.) So that they never shall have Corporate Reform. —but I took the liberty of asking every one who held a con-
much with respect to one Association; but then the Right Lord STANLEY—No, no. spicuous position on the opposite benches whether he adopted
lion. Baronet has adverted to other Associations—to the Bir- Mr. SHEIL—If he did not say so, I beg his pardon. the phrase or not.—(Loud cheers.) I remember more
mingham Union for instance. What, I ask you, is the reason, What did he say ?If he recalls the phrase lam satisfied. especially the Right Honourable Baronet the Member for
if you condemn these Associations, when Lord Brougham ad- Lord STA NLE Y—l never used it.—(oll, oh, from Mem- Tamworth on that occasion saying that be was not responsi-
dressed the Birmingham Union, at the time they passed a hers of the Ministerial Bench.) ble for any language but his own.—(Loud cheers.) The
resolution to pay no taxes—what is the reason that the Right Mr. SHE IL—lt is enough. I admit I was not in the Right Hon Baronet was in the painful situation of being in
"on. Baronet and the Noble Lord did not resign—why did he House when the expression is alleged to have been used. I close connection and association with a man in whose expres-
not then refuse to hold office with his then colleagues ? unaffectedly retract every phrase I used under the impression sions he did not think it judicious to express his concurrence.
clime hear.) Let the Right Hon. Baronet beware—we that the expression was used by him. —( Hear, hear, and cries I own myself to be astonished that when the word, the contu-
have not forgotten his public life, though he may have done of " The expression was used.") I understand from the No- melious and exasperating word aliens,—(was it not contume-
eo.---(Cheers.) He and the -Noble Lord who sits beside him ble Lord he did not use the expression. lious, and is it to be borne?)—when I say that phrase which
Lave taken as strong a course in the excitement of the public Lord STANLEY—The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman etas become fatally memorable, fell from the lips of the bold
passions as any one of the agitators who are now the objects has made a personal attack upon me. and aspiring man who gave it utterance, I own myself, Sir,
asf their denunciation. I shall not go into the details con- Mr. SHE IL—No, no ; not a personal attack, to he astonished, that Arthur, Duke of Wellington, did not
necsed with Ireland. There is only one point to which I Lord STANLEY—What !no attack ! The Hon. and start up and exclaim, " Hold, I have seen the aliens do their
mean to advert—the Government of Ireland—as materially Learned Gentleman has made an attack on me, knowing duty."—(Loud cheers.) The Duke of NVellington, is not, lam
affecting this question. The appointment of Mr. Cassidy as that I have not the opportunity of answering him.—( Hear, inclined to believe a man of an excitable temperament. His
a magistrate is a matter of so little consequence, that it hear, from the Opposition Members.) Ido not complain of mind is of a cast too martial to be easily moved, but, notsvith-
sought not to he mixed up with subjects of national import- this ; but as he does ask me to explain that which he had standing his habitual inflexibility, I cannot help thinking that
&tee. I will tell you what is my view of the matter, as not the opportunity of hearing, and yet to which he is re- when he heard his Roman Catholic countrymen (for we are his
connected with the conduct of the Irish Government, and plying, I beg to tell him that I did not use the express countrymen) designated by a phrase as offensive as the abun-
'Which I regard as of great importance. The Irish Govern- sion that time people of Ireland should not ever be put dant vocabulary of his eloquent confederate could supply-1
went is acting on a peculiar policy—(Hear, hear)—and in possession of Corporate Reform ; but I stated this, that cannot help thinking that he ought to have recollected the
Zlie question is, will the Legislature adopt a similar while the Irish Church was subject to danger, and while the many fields of fight in which we have been contributors to his
Peliey ?—( Hear, hear, hear.) Has the Irish Government General Association was using threats and intimidation, that renown. Yes, Sir—" The battles, sieges, fortunes that he has
succeeded ? Has it produced peace in Ireland ?—( Cries of the more these threats and intimidation were used, the more passed" ought to have come back :upon him. He ought to
4` No, no," from Irish Members on the Opposition benches.) would the people of England be determined that they should have remembered that from the earliest achievement in which he
I can produce you strong authority on the subject. I have not have what they thus demanded.—( Cheers from the Oppo- displayed that military genius which has placed him foremost in
not the means of referring to official details ; but I refer you sition Members.) the annals of modern warfare, down to that last and surpassing
to Mr. Howle a gentleman who unites in approbation of Mr. SHE IL resumed—The people of Ireland relied combat which has made his name imperishable, from Assaye to
Ilia conduct they, applauses of the Radical, the Agitator, and upon the principles contained in the speech which I have Waterloo, the Irish soldiers, with whom your armies are filled,
the Orangeman, and who has received an unanimous vote just read.—( Cheers.) The Noble Lord complains that I were the inseparable auxiliaries to the glory with which his
of thanks from the magistracy who witnessed his conduct as am making an attack to which he cannot reply. The Noble unparalleled successes have been crowned. Whose were the
4111 assistant barrister. I find in his charges repeated state- Lord knows perfectly well that although I feel myself, and I athletic arms that drove your bayonets at Vimiera through
menu made of tranquillity produced in the county Tipperary ; speak most unaffectedly, most conscious of my inferiority the phalanxes that never reeled in the shock of war before ?
4114 by a return from the clerk of time Crown for the same to him in point of talent, I have never shrunk once when What desperate valour climbed the steeps and filled the moats
sounty, i find that where 111 were tried at the Nenagh ses- my public duty called upon me to assail him, whether he at Badajoa ? All, all his victories should have rushed and
Then
for riot, in the last session there were only two.— had a reply or not.—(Loud cheers.) I must appeal to the crowded hack upon his memory—Vimiera, Badajoz, Saha.hen I ask you, has not the policy of Lord Mulgrave sue- House whether I have made an attack on the Noble Lord. I mance, Albueras, Toulouse, and last and of all the greatest,
reded Cheers.) What has he done ? He has laid to would rather say that there is that in his own breast which . Tell me for you were there (pointing to Sir
st that question which you regard as the truly dangerous reproaches him more than I can do.—(Great cheering.) I Henry Hardinge)—( I appeal to the Gallant soldier before me,
oft .e. Who has heard in our public assemblies in Ireland the stand here, in a constitutional point of view, the Noble Lord's from whose opinions I differ, but who hears, I know, a ge-
o'et 'cal of the Union made a subject of discussion : or if intros equal. The Noble Lord knows it.—( fleas, hear.) I respect nerous heart hi an intrepid breast,) Toll me, for you must
ue
'd, but incidentally glanced at—_(Hear, hear, from Oppo- his rank, I respect his talent, I lament his opinions. Let me needs rem ember—on that day when the destinies of mankind
ktio\-1 Members)—a question which, if not dead, is dormant ? add that the Noble Lord himself is not characterised by mercy were trembling in the balance—while death fell in showers
i--(C.'lleers from the Opposition Members.) I have not ut- to his opponents.—(Cheers.) No man fears an operation so upon them, when the artillery of France levelled with a pre-
ereme ,one syllable on the subject ; but this I say, that if justice much as a surgeon.—( Loud cheers.) I have always heard cision of the most deadly science played upoh them—when
dertied to us here, we have a right to ask for a repeal of the that the drummer of a regiment has the greatest terror of the her legions, incited by the voice, and inspired by the ex-
ien --(Hear, hear)—and I wish to show you that this see- lash.—(Cheers, and laughter.) I will now show the reasons ample, of their mighty leader, rushed again and again
dent Naas uttered by the Noble Lord (Stanley) on the op- why the 4, No Popery" cry which is attempted to be raised to the onset, tell me, if for an instant, when to hesitate
,
side of the House.—( Hear, hear.) What is justice to cannot succeed. I wish to show that this question must be for an instant was to be lost, the " Aliens" blenched t—
t'eland ? Let us examine the question calmly, as such a sub- carried.—( Loud cheers.) We have carried Catholic eman- ( Continued cheers.) And when at length the moment for
eiFt ought: to be examined. What is justice to Ireland? And cipation, not against the Noble Lord, but against the Right the last and decisive movement had arrived, and the
AWill it not help us in determining that question to ask what is Hon. Baronet beside him (Sir R. Peel.) The Right Hon. valour which had so long been wisely checked, was at last
ice to England ?—( Hear.) The Test and Corporation Baronet is as good a debater as the Noble Lord, and the let loose, when with words familiar, but immortal, the Great
thea were at one time regarded as defences to the Church-- Right Hon. Baronet has discretion, he has great per- Captain exclaimed—" Up, Lads, and at them !"—tell me if
if the
them the Corporations were regarded as the bulwarks sonal influence, and a great bold on the feelings of his Catholic Ireland, with less heroic valour than the natives of
io,tue Church ; and Mr. Canning felt this so strongly that in country ; and with his resistance, which was as imme- this your own glorious isle, precipitated herself upon the foe ?
~sre27 he refused to repeal the Test and Corporation Acts. diate and as strong as that opposed by the Noble Lord to
--(Loud cheering.) The blood of England, Scotland, and of
r:fte Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir Robert Peel) refused also to the present measure, we carried emancipation.—(ilear, Ireland, flowed the same stream—on the same field, when
them until he was forced to do so ; he had not expe- and loud cheers.) We did that by union, by organization, the:chill morning dawned, their dead lay cold and stark together
tieeetced then the process of soft compulsion which lie has since and by an associated power ;we carried it by the Clare —in the same deep pit their bodies were deposited—the green
undergoing, and which, I have no doubt, he will yet be election.—(Tremendous cheering.) I beg leave to ask the corn of spring is now breaking from their commingled dust—the
°impelled to submit to.—(Cheers and laughter.) Time Test Noble Lord whether, with our power now trebled, we are not dew falls from heaven upon their union in the grave ;—partakers
4tld ,
rporation Acts were then repealed ; but by means of able to carry on the immediate result of reform ?—( Cheers.) in every peril, in the glory shall we not be permitted to partici-
11113_em, `chinery of self-election in the Corporations the people Let the Noble Lord look rouud. Tou see the national power; pate, and shall we he told as a requital, that we are estranged
not the benefit of them. Whet was then done ? The you see Ireland advancing with rapidity in the march of im- from the noble country for whose salvation our life-blood was
etouse or Commons came to a resolution that the Corporations
provement ; you see her spirit of union, her intelligence, and poured out I—( The Hon. and Learned Member sat down
IPoEngiar, d should be placed under popular control; and the we have to thank the Noble Lord for it, her education—you amidst the most enthusiastic cheering )
as did m tot think fit to reject such a proposition. Do not see the character of Ireland gradually changing ; you see Sir R. PEEL said the lion. and Learned Gentleman op-
ite Corporsotions, then, which are now made to apply to something of British thought; vou see us not only free, but posite, by his personal attacks, had made use of the debate
the Irish Chmech, apply in a still greater degree to Eng- we feel as if we had never been slaves.--( Loud cheers.) I upon the question of Municipal Corporations for Ireland for
nd?—(Hear, bear.) In Liverpool the effect of the Cos- may say, without exaggeration, that Ireland not only stands the purpose, not of convincing the reason, but of exciting and
rnration Bill had been to transfer power from one party to erect, but she looks as if she had never stooped.—(Loud inflaming the passions. There were evidently great natural
other. In Liverpool the Tories have been completely cheers.) I may say that this improvement is general. I may difficulties in the subject, hut the Hon. and Learned Member
prostrated ; and the people of Liverpool, struck with ad- point at the bar, and show the second judicial office held by had, by a part of the course he had adopted, rendered these
tration of the system of education given by the Noble a Roman Catholic.—( Cheers.) I may point to the Irish At- much more so. Was it wise—was it prudent—was it just,
Ord opposite to Ireland._(Laughter)_arl this, too, not- torneysGeneral, and to many others, if individual cases are he would ask, to ransack every past debate for every angry
,sit.,'-istanding the violent remonstrances of the Noble Lord necessary, to illustrate the point. It may be regretted, it can- expression that had been elicited in the heat of warm discus-
Ilir'sself against such a course, have adopted it in Liverpool. riot be denied—the conclusion is irresistible. I say, then, that sion—(Cheers)—to consider and proclaim such as matters of
it-h(Ltemr, hear, and laughter.) Ido not know whether the Clare election carried emancipation.--( Cheers, and a cry history ?—( Cheers.) Would time lieu. and Learned Gentleman
eNo b:e Lord has not also changed his opinion about his of No.) No ! what carried it, then ? Is not the Duke of opposite consent to be bound by the same rule ? Did lie ever
be• sYst (me of education.—(Laughter.) You then find the Wellington an authority, and has he not said that he could hear that when time military commander in so many illustrious
L'anaferenme of power from one party to another. I should not help it ?—(Cheers.) But if the Clare election contri- fields—that when he, on that very fiery field of Waterloo to which
ee.glad to kilosv if, on that account, Liverpool is to be de- hilted to carry that question, what power must we have now? he had alluded, had shared the dangers and had directed the
rved of its corporate rights ?—(Hear.) Corporations were How do we stand in this House ? Sixty ! least the great courage of his countrymen, when standing opposed to the
Zindlidered the defence of the Established Church in England, majority of the representatives of Ireland act together as legions of France, he had led the united bands to victory—
and to England Corporate Reform had been conceded.— one man, our power is combined and confederated for one that after he had rescued Europe, and established the military
ern r.) What then eves the course pursued with respect to great purpose, and do you think that this power you will ever fame and the peaceful security of his own country_had the
ti,tar'eiPation ? have now to refer to the Right lion. Baro- be able to put down?—( Loud cheers.) We are here, thank Hoe. Gentleman never heard of it, that out of an all-abundant
atnotbe Member for Tamworth, and I beg pf him to under- God, in this House.—( Loud cheers.) I remember the time vocabulary lie could be greeted by no other appellation than
nd that Ido not mean to say anything which can be in the when I occasionally obtained admission under that gallery, and " stunted corporal ?"—( Protracted cheering.) Now, if it
'remotestee,n degree offensive to him. I submit to him--I beg to I heard men who appeared as the advocates of the rights of were unfair to fasten upon such words, uttered in a moment of
141 strate with him in language respectful as it is earnest-- Ireland—l heard them, whilst addressing the House, under excitement, and in the heat of declamation, as indicative of
ent 'red
he is not bound to fulfil the compact with us that he the necessary of doing so as if in asking for liberty for Ireland jealousy at the triumphs of a countryman, was it not equally
es eu into upon that occasion ? Did he wish to exclude Ro.. they were soliciting alms. Perhaps it was necessary then to unfair to select out of the whole of his speeches the expressions
e—ateoll oath°lies from corporations when time Emancipation Bill take that tone, but shall it be necessary again ? We may be of Lord Lyndhurst that had been quoted ?—( Loud cheers.)
(---(llear, and cheers.) In his address to this llouse he less eloquent, we may have less astuteness, we may have less Theand Learned Gentleman opposite had called on hint
fr(ei•
ritte'l the Pressure which my llon. and Learned Friend wisdom and less erudition, but we brin to the advocacy of our (Sir R. Peel) to defend the conduct of his Noble Friend near
I' °'l-:(mnell) had insoosed upon him. lie declared that rights, our hearts and our hands.—(Loud cheers.) Though him. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had contended, and
ee
Ca holies were to be admitted into the Corporations— we may be deficient in the qualities of public speaking, though justly, that he had a perfect right at any time to make, on pub-
Ilreaer).' Once in those Corporatisons. Does it stop there? The we may not be masters of diction, in our determination we lie grounds, any reference to the opinions and conduct of his
eatb"onpation Bill contains two elauses respecting Roman stand unsurpassed. With this power you have to contend, Noble Friend. But when the lion. Gentleman alluded to the
that the being admitted into Coriesrat;ons, and providing and this you attempt to meat by raising the "No Popery" meeting at Brookes s, he must have known, when he made
(sir eeY should be admitted into mice. Were you cry.—(llear. ) The Noble Lord is not one that will do this, the application, that that was a matter in which he (Sir R.
were el3hert Peel) sincere in that declar No doubt you he will repudiate it ; lam not telling him what he is doing, l'ecl), for most evident reasons, was precluded from giving
aseiwilli;the Promise you made was to the heart ;_you did it but I hope he will forgive me if I tell him what the him any answer.—(Laughter.) But why was he called on to
eve
°ole, but you did it honestly.—( Hear.) can you ap- Tories once (Ilear.s The actors and the transactions defend the Noble Lord ? And already was the defence required
auo Of the course which the Irish Orangemen have lour- to which I allude are nosy matters of history, and in speak- from him? Were not the cases notorious that had led to
that da m that day to this—mark it, Englishmen !--rom ing of them, therefore, I make no reference to what his deliberate an ingenious determination? The most palpable
odiespite of that Act of Parliament—despite of can be painful to any individual. What I allude to occurred evidence must occur to every matt, friend or opponent of the
the Right Hon. Baronet—not a aingie Ca- in 007. lam not speaking of individuals, but of the party. Noble Lord, of the candour, sincerity, and uprightness with
nor
nt "Meat it—not one has been admitted into the Cor- That year found the Whigs in Downing-street, whilst the which he had acted. Who was there that held a prouder po-
-10" ,15, :attached to the metropolis of our country. Hear.) Tories were in possession of St. James's. The Wiliest did sition than his Noble Friend ? What man was there snore
42, r :attached
o se
the 0 f seat ? You do not. Will you then now, no more than propose that Roman Catholics
feignedshl be admit- endears dto his friends ?—so that whenever his name was men-
eee pporttolity is
"et afforded to you, carry emancipation into ted to the army and navy. Tee Tories saw pportunity, tioned by those who were connected with him in office, they
l'QPett C\ A ne.e".) Will you do it ?--(flear, hear.) Do you and seized it, to work on the excited feelings the people of always expressed their deep regret at the separation, and their
Was that the tuhavleg sanctioned part of the Act of Parliament ? England against their adversaries. What course did they take? sorrow at the public loss ? In relinquishing office, he had se-
' per • e c'mPact ? 'Was it to be a dead letter? Will They raised the cry of 4, No pope e, mr, that key the vered with the deepest regret the political ties that bound him
nut Cheers.)
law to he still evaded by the Orangemen of Tories worked ; the tocsin of religious warfare was sounded ; to his ancient friends. What in that could have influenced him
dished Dublin
chneers.) You tell me that you fear for the Esta- they alarmed the minds of the pepople ; in public assemblies but the highest sense of public duty ?—( Loud cheers.) All
31;' olt passertelb• 'Why, you had that fear before you when Noble Lords, not greatly distinguished for religion and me- that he ( Sir Robert Peel) had stated on this subject was
ants,
all
th the Emancipation Bill. You had all the rality, addressed the
e dan people in the most exciting language— without communication with his Noble Friend, and he was
ger, all the evils, and you saw those evils " Rally round your King," they exclaimed in 1807 i " Rally most happy to perceive that his assertions were confirmed by