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to him to he very wi,ely trained for the desired object,
ayoidaig all irr.•l., ant and contested queslious.
Mr. WILLIAMS thought what had fallen from the
/lon. Member for Kendal would satafy the House that
there reslly was uo necessity for this Bill —( Hsar. hear. )
The town of Manchester had hitherto been well governed
by its own palice ; under a Commission consisting of 240
gentlemen of all parties. And he had not heard that the
police were ineffic;ently managed or inadequate in number.
—( Hear, hear.) If there was any dispwe between the
Commissioners and the Corporation, the best course to
pursue would be to give the Commissioners the manage
msnt of the polite, until the litigated question should be
decided. Teis B 11 would in r fleet place the town of Man-
chester under Metropolitan Police Law ; there were pro-
visions in the Bill never known before in ti:e town; there
were powers given to the police which had never yet been
endured.— (Hear, hear.) He never could consent to such
an arbitrary stretch of power; he trusted that the Noble
Lord would still d. sist from the measure; if not, if any
Member divided against the Bill, he would vote with him.
Mr, C. 8U1A,14; R. said he was glad the Right Hon.
Gentleman in the Chair had been asked whether this were
a public Bill or-not, for it had enabled him authoritatively
to state, that this Bill had not been at all desired by the
inhabitants of the town, and that it hail been compulsorily
imposed upon them.—( Hear, hear.) The Attorney.
General had quite upset the law of the President of the
Board of Trade. By the bye, it was rather strange to see
how these two colleagues managed to diffar.—(A laugh.)
The Attorney. General had given his otinion with all the
authority for experience, ability, and acuteness of :ntellect
which belonged to him, and the value of that opinion was
always appreciated by him ( Mr. C. t3uller), especially
when it coincided with his own.—(Laughter.) An humble
supporter of the Government, even against themselves—
( A laugh)—he had ventured to• argue for the cruise
sufficiency of the first Bill, which gave the Council
power to provide the police. —( Hear, hear.) The Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade had said there was
no Council, in fact, in the town.—(Mr. P. Thomson
I said no such thing.") Certainly, the argument was,
that the authority of the Council had been disputed; that
was what he (Mr. C. Buller) had understood to have been
urged. The Attorney-General had now come to his res•
cite, and had given it as his opinion that these towns all
had very good Town Councils; and if such was the case,
and they gave them the power of levying rates, that was
all that it was necessary to do, and all that ought to be
done. The Noble. Lord ought not to take advantage of
any disputes which had been engendered by their own
bungling legislation. to take from them the management of
their own police, and establish a system of centralization
such as had been found to work so ill in France. He had
supported the Noble Lord's County and Districts Bill, be-
cause it was founded upon good principles ; it was, indeed,
much better than they had any reason to cxpact. Why
not extend the same principle and give the same power. to
the authorities chosen by the rate-payers ea they did to
those appointed by the Lord Lieutenant ? He was much
pleased to hear the Hon. Member for klacclesfield
propose a lone. time for the consideration of the Bill, and,
he had hoped' to hear him say that three months would•
.
be the proper time—in that he would with pleasure have
joined hirn—he would not move himself, of course as he
expected that duty would be taken up by some Member
locally connected with the places. He would be most
happy to join them in such a vote.
Lord J. RUSSELL had taken such considerable pains
to explain this measure, and the necessity for it, that he
could riot but express his astonishment at the manner in
which he had been misrepresented by the Hon. Member
—( Hear, hear)—so much had that been the case that he
must say a few words in order to set himself right with
the House. He said lie ( Lord J. Russell) was taking ad-
vantage of the disputes in those towns to establish a cen-
tralized system.. Now he most distinctly begged leave to
deny that such was the fact, for he could get nothing by
them but a considerable deal of trouble ; nor was the pro-
posed system one of centralization, but one to establish a good
local police until the dispute were settled. Such a course
was renderred n cessary by the disputes between the two
parties, in consequence of which it was most likely
that neither of the towns would long have any police.
and he considered that that was a matter of which it
was his duty to take cognizance. NVherever there was a
deficiency of police or other means fur the maintenance of
the police, it was his duty to take steps to remedy the de.
feet. The Bill only gave these towns the advantage of en
efficient local police, was that taking advantage of them?
The Commissioner would be entirely independent of
local parties. Then it was said with respect to Birmingham
that it would be unjust not to give the appointment to the
Town Council, and the Hon. and Learned Gent. had re-
presented it as part of a centralized system of Govern-
ment. Now he would ask whether the appointment of a
Comihisaioner to emilly all the best constables he could
find, adding to the force if necessary, but not adding
to it if unnecessary, had the least resemblance to a
centralised police. The House ought not to de-
prive these important towns of the means of having
'in official police. If they did so great calamities
might arise not only in those towns, but throughout the
whale country.
Mr. AG lON 13 Ysvas anxious to make one or two obser-
vations. During many years of his life he had been in the
habit of attending Manchester, for a fortnight together,
four times a year professionally, and therefore he had had
an opportunity of' knowing what the conduot and number
of the police were. There was no proof that this Bill was
called for in the slightest degree. Had there been any
petitions in favour of it? One mole by which the House
acquired a knowledge of the wishes of the town was
by petition, but there had been no petitions in favour of the
Bill.

Sir S. LUSHINGTON.—There had been none
against it.

-Mr. A GLIONBY.—Why the Bill was only ordered to
printed on the 7th of August, and therefore it was not
possible that petitions could have been sent in so short time
against the Bill. But he hod been Informed. that the
was a deputation from Manchester against the Bill. Cer-
tainly there was some doubt as to the power given by the
charter ; but he would support it to the utmost. What
he wished to know was, whether there were not sufficient
means in the town of Birmingham, either under the new or
old Commission,rs, to appoint a police force. The rate
had been assessed, and a large portion of it levied by the
Town Commissioners, and more would be raised. They
had now in hand sufficient to maintain the. police for some
months. Four months would elapse before any appeal
could be made against it; awl before that time the. legality
of the Charter would be decided. Unless he heard
stronger arguments than those adduced by the Noble
Lord, he must oppose th t second reading of the Bill.
Mr. BROTHERTON said the police had hitherto
been in the hinds of the local government; but, seeing
the necessity of the case, he was not one of tbosc who, to
gratify party feelings, would sacrifice the interests of a
large community.—(Neer.) In Manchester the number
of inhabitants was abut a quarter of a million, and the
state of excitement there must have had great weight with
the Government. and ever) one who wished for the preserva-
tion of life and property. A:though he was anxious to see
the Corpi.ration fully estahlished and the police under its
control—yet, as that could net at present be dune he
would take the lesser of the Mao evil., and support the
Bill. All parties had complained of the want. of go .d local
uovernment, and hence there was a great desire for a
Charter of Incorporation. But an opposition had been
got up by interested individuals to throw every impedi-
ment in its way. The Corporation had set about estab-
lishing a police, and had a sufficient force. Jr this they
had done their duty, but they found they were unable to
levy the rate which they made, and therefore they could
not support the police. Between the two the property
and lives of the people of Manchester were placed in jeo-
pardy. He was desirous that the Police should not be
disbanded to serve private mrpeses, he therefore called
upon the [louse, as the lesser evil, to give its sanction to
this Bill. This would not prejudice the I-gal qtvoition,
hut would preserve the 'peace of the town until the ques-
tion of corporation should be settled. The Hon. Member
for Coventry by his vote would practically deprive the
people of Manchester of the management of their own
aff firs, and disf• auchise the poorer rate-payers.
Mr. M. PHILLIPS Approached this question without
party feeling, he suppo ted this Bill because it gave the
town of Manche-ter that to which it was fair ly entitled, a
good and an efficient police force The corporation had
organized a police force, and the Commissioners had done
the same, but if this Bill were not p,ssed funds would be
soon wanting for the payment of this force. lie was per
fectly convinced that without this Bill no patty would have
it in their power to levy a rate, but this Bill would remove
the difficulty, for the inhabitants of the town were p,rfcctly
ready to pay the rate as soon as it was known who had the
legal right to receive it. He would now advert to the
sums that had been collected in 1837 : in the first week
in that year ending in July, it was 1,4801., and in the
s,.cond week it was 5781., making a total of 2,056/. lii
1838, in the first week ending on the 27th of August, it
was 9571., and the se and week it was 1,113/ Li 1839 the
first week was 8131., and the second week 812/. But
this was not all, the rate had been resisted by the Commis-
sioners of Police, and had been resked as a legal rate, and
lie w as much afraid unless the present Bill was allowed to pass
great danger would arise both to persons and property.
Nothing but those difficulties would have induced him to
consent to a departure from the system of local and self-
Government, but he thought he would not, under present
circumstances, have been doing his duty had he opposed
the measure, fearing that the borough lie had the honour
to represent, would be without any police at all,
Lord G. SOMERSET would supp nit the second
reading of the Bill, certainly, not on the proiinds put
forward for it by the Hon. Member for Salford, tut as
the Noble Lord was answerable for the peace of the
country, he was disposed to look favourably upon any
measure introduced for that purpose by him upon Iris
own responsibility. Some alterations might he necessary
iu Committee, which he hoped would not be taken before
Tuesday, in order to afford time for bearing from Man-
chester.

Mr. AG LIONBY begged to ask the Noble Lord
whether he would have any objection to consent to a pro-
viso which would make the duration of the Bill depend
upon that of the difficulties it was intended to remedy, say
six months after the termination or settlement of the
disputes.
Lord J, RUSSELL did not know how they could define
in an Act of Parliament the questions that were to be
decided, or the position in which the Town Council might
be then left. That was his object, however, and he would
pledge himself that the Bill should not last beyond the ne-
cessity for it.
Mr. T. ATTWOOD gave notice, that on going into
Committee he should move, as an addition to the 11th
clause, which enacts that the Bill should continue in force
for two years, and from thence until the end of the next
Session of Parliament, the addition of the following words
Provided always that whenever the Court of Queen's
Bench shall have determined that the Mayor, Aldermen,
and Ourgeises of Nlanchest(r have legal power to levy
rates under the authority of the charter of incorporatiJn,
then and from thenceforth this Act, and ail its provisions,-
shall forthwith cease and determine,. and be altogether
void." -

The Bill was fom r ad a second time, and ordered tt
he commuted on Tar,rlay n, xt at I2..o'ciock.
Bouros POLICE BILL.
On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, the Balton Po
lice Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be corn.
mitted on
Lord J. RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day fo,
BgoliRiigMINGrIAM POLICE BILL.
the House
into Con-nine,: on the Birmingham Po.
lice Bill.
Mr. WILLIAMS so entirely objected to the principle
n 7
of the Bill, that it was his intention to move that it he
co:ntnitted this day three months. The first Bi'l which
was intreduced gave the Town C ouncil the entire ins
nagement of their police,
a
that Bill,
sidered altogether unnecessary. The withdrawal of thaf
Bill, and introduction of the present, which vested the power
except
to
the
grant :id o nn
i 0,0001., objection
which w a s madehei
n a to.
themselves
issetirvaet
entirely in the Secretary of State, proclaimed that the
mingliam were not competent for the purposes of self
main-
taining a police for the protection of thtehier
government. It took from them the power of taxing
pporwnpe(rTotyf.N,
ses:trhteheTirowlonclC:guonvcierlimanednttim inhabitants of Bir.
reason h.•cl been shown why so important a privilege should
be_ taken away. Nothing had happened to justify this
harsh treatment of the Corporation of Birmingham. The
Noble Lord had stated it was not his intention to make this
the foundation of a measure for ultimately establishitig
police force throughout the country, under the authority of
the Secretary of State. He would not dispute
the assertion of t'le Noble Lord, but there were cer.
tain facts to show the existence of such an intention
in some quarters. In the first place there
was the Report of the Commissioners appointed to make
inquiries into the state of the constabulary, which recom-
mended the establishment of a police force throughout the
country, under the authority of the secretary of State.
He warned the people of this country to be on their guard
the introduction
etionof such a system, which would
pol
notice force
the introduction
destroy the liberties of the country. This, then, was a Bill
against
extending
into
five counties.
They knew the people would
of the police all at once, but the introduction of it
was steadily progressing. Next, they had endeavoured
to introduce the police into the City of London.
There had been a measure which would virtually introduce
the metropolitan police into London. There had next been
stand
a measure to raise 10,0094 fora sort of roving police, liable
to be sent to any part of the country at a moment's notice.
,If they acted as they had at Birmingham, the Noble Lord
would succeed better in creating than suppressing distur-
b"colgs..-- These Bus agreed to, why the metropolitan
police system would pervade A* fourth part nearly of the
population of England. _What did these things indicate ?
That it was intended to:carry the system through the whole
country. ,The Corporations Of England would practically be
deprived of tits management of the police. He was glad
that the City of London had come forward against these
Bills relative to Birmiugham,'' Manchester, and Bolton.
They had 'resisted: the..liicasure which was intended to
•deprivp,thqrn of an_ authority they bad enjoyed for the last
700 years, and they didright to oppose the infliction of the
same depriVation on others. He wished to draw the at-
tention of the Noble Lord to one important fact, that the
two Members for Birmingham had declared that their was I
so great an, antipathy in the town against the measure,
that the whole population, with the Magistrates and Coun-
cil, would offer it every opposition. How then could the
Noble Lord expect to make his Bill efficiently operate ?
The Noble Lord had, on several occasions, evinced a
readiness to follow the advice of the Right Hon. Baronet
the Member for Tamworth• Now that Right Hon. Ba
ronet had been very desirous, when be introduced the me

, .
dtrgoaliftidanedlidceesissytes extend it to the city of Lon.
with, feeling that he never could
the opposition it met
desisted from mt 9 the attempt only on account of
expect to make it efficient, if it were so decidedly opposed
by the population among whom the system was to work.
The Noble Lord should follow the example of the
Right Hon. Baronet in this respect, and pay that respect
to the people of Birmingham to which their intelligence
ju,tly entitled them. He ought not to force on this mea-
sure in opposition to their wishes. It the peace were ever
to be off dually preserved, it must be by a police accept-
able generally to the people.
Without taking up the time
of she House any further, he would move that the Bill be
committed this day three months,
Mr. T. ATT\VOOD seconded the amendment. He
hoped the Noble Lord would now consent to withdraw the
Bill. He had received a letter this day from the Town
Clerk of Birmingham informing him that a petition had
been presented to the Council earnestly praying them, it
this Bill passed into a law, to terminate its operation as
soon as the law gave them power—or as soon as it was
decided that the law gave them powers to levy the rates for
their own police. But the Council had rejected the pe-
tition. on the ground that it was unworthy of them, as men
and Englishmen, to have any thing to do with this Bill.
They were grave, and respectab'e men—very few of
them had been members of the Political Union, therefore
they were entitled to the Noble. Lord's respect. The
first Bill was constitutional and reasonable; this was un-
constitutional, arbitrary—the first step towards driving in
the wedge for the Fresch
genid'armerie. The people
of Birmisgham would never submit to it; if they did, now
that the Noble Lord was in his weakness, they
could never
expect to resist it when he was in his strength, which, if
he were in at all this time two years, he would possess.
The masses of the people were not disposed to encourage
fires—God forbid !—but they were generally discontented.
Sorry he was to find the Noble Lord in such a measure as
this, deserting his h'gh principles, and dishonouring his
great 'name. If the Noble Lord would not restore his first
Bill, he (Mr. Attwood) would advise him to retire from his
situation. There were plenty of Gentlemen opposite who
would gladly replace him, and who .were- his equals'
in ability; Let him retire. while he had something
yet remaining of his deserved high -ohm-am-seri unless be
were piepared to leave the people of Birmingham to
admiredl
: a) rif Eet h
ea
them
nnptd! e
annwt
dyfho
0; r
respected
I s peoei
r•
somewhatee
te
ea,
di,)t, whichcapa-
bleoe,lll,
themselves—at least with the aid of the military—of whom
s
ftt
roe
tNgfh ho,
guiding
et
cmo Lounor sratt:hi teeu,ht aiaodnt peopleand
s
system was un- English ; the word " police" was not in otn-
ach!evments and martial enthusiasm. But the gendarmerie
latigulge ; we only had " peace officers" and constables ;
and the Noble Lord would have done well to limit his in-
terference to the 4iving power to increase the number; of
these—there was ample provision for their support. The
Court Lect have certainly—like that House—swofullY de-
teriorated from its orieinal intention, hut though a clique,
self-electing, they
had never done anything wrong; they
were B:rrninhasn',„en
and real:manic in theft. character.
If the Noble Lord wished for a
police force why did he
not apply to the Court Leet rather than press forward this
measure of centralization ? He would warn the Noble
Lord if he proceeded with this Bill, he would never get
back the money advanced. Nor would he venture to take
the soldiers out of Birmingham. The very Tories whose
advice he had adopted, would beg of him to let the
soll:ers remain.
The police themselves would be sub-
jected to all manner of obloquy and insult. The town a
Birmngbam was now quiet; the law had resumed its
course, and suchbeing the case, he hoped the Noble Lord
would pause and reconsider before he carried the judg-
ments paca'd at Warwick into execution; he hoped he
would ponder well before he suffered the extreme penal-
tes of the law to be put in force. He appealed to the
,islahle Lord as a man of humanity on this subject ; he
knew he was such, for although he loathed his po-
lities, yet as a man of humanity, and as a man of gentle-
manly and generous recline' he admired and respected him.
He hoped the Noble Lord would reconsider the subject,
a.:d withdraw this Bill. If he did not, he should adopt
the same course respecting this Bill as be had given no-
tice of on t he Manche,ter Bill—he should move as an amend.
mens in Committee, that the following proviso be in.
sorted :---" Provided always, that when the authority of
the Mayor, Al leimen, and Corporation of Birmingham
hail hc ascertained by due course of law, and it shall he
shown they possess the legal right of levying rates, that
from that rinse the authority of this Act shall cease and
determine."

on this being the commencement of a bad practice. He
did not think much harm might be done by the vesting
the appointment in this one instance in the Government,
hot he ottpeted to this innovation on the old Constitution:
He appealed to the Hon. Member for the University of
Oxford for his support on this occasion. That Hon.
'Member had always stood up. for the Constitution; and he
hoped he would do so now, when it was for the advantage
of the liberty of the subject. He hoped that Hon. Member
would say with him_

" Nolumus leges Anglia mutari,"
and not ectuen to deprive persons of the self-government
of their localities. He would propose an amendment to
the effect that the power of appointing the Commissioners
should be seated in the Town Council of Birmingham in.
stead of the Secretary of State.
Mr. T. A 17 W 0 OD seconded the amendment.
The Committee'divided, when there appeared—
For the original clause
For the amendment , ............. 20
Majority against the amendment._ —.43
Clauses 2,3, 4,5, 6,7, and 8 were agreed to with a
few vci bal amendment?.
Clauses 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. and the other clauses,were
agreed to after some verbal amendments,and the Report was
ordered to be brought up on Monday next.
The House then resumed.
COUNTY AND DISTRICT CONSTABLES

strictions
s from foreign trade, especially the trade in corn
—( Cheers.) Could they deny that they had been enforc-
ing the new Poor-law to its utmost, and by that course of
conduct they were telling the poor the: they must
rely upon their awn resources? When the • poor
watited to carry their labour to a cheap marbet,
was not that refused them by the tax that was placed upon
them. ?—( Hear.) It was absurd, therefore, to tell the
people to rely upon their own resources. Could they dens
that the measures promised for rendering justice cheap had
been altogether passed by, while Judges and Magistrates
hai been allowed to enjoy enormuus salaries ? The
fact was that every good measure had been abandoned,
and the votes of the last few days bad shown that instead
ha-rates
recsm. —tiiii Hear, hear.)eedl
( unredr es
of decreasing, that House bad determined to increase the
salariesp i
4 not
theof theque Judgesquestion
o f
CI andiur c!Magistrates.Was it 'not as far removed from a settlement ' .
as ever ?
Was it net stated, when an increase in the army was called
for, that the troops in Canada could not be reduced?
Why was that ? Because no settlement ofthe CC
affairs
of those colonies had taken place -..( Hear,) When lie left
that colony in November last, the merchants
influen-
tial men there were in hopes that something and
would be dune
immediately to 'remove their grievances. Parliament diti
not meet till February, and it wag now about 'to pre
and nothing had been done for rogi.e,
Report stated that his Right ,H Canada.—(HeAr, hear: )
of the. Board of Trade was on. Friend, the Preesidont
colliery ; he must make . golog to try his hand -in that
baste there if•
be was going, other-
wise he would find no colony to govere.—( Hear, hear.)
Then had not the ore
sera of the people for '
further reform
been denied ?i Nothing had been done wilh :vs eet ..te
Household,
. - o d f h P•t had
been found inconvenient-to-golAi
itonie4,..isenxti:
-eternpittettenteleeee- Oita- to-t.Fii-riiiiin; lia Ih.'t.."-elaits of
the pceplc were neglected, Then there was the motion

protection.—( Hear, hear.) He would conclude by
entreating the Noble Lord before the Session closed—and
he was sure the Noble Lord would hold out no hopes that
he did not intend to realise—to hold out hope to the
country that something would be done—sonic little thing
for their relief, during the next Session of Parliament--
some little thing for hope to rest upon during the recess.
• He would not even hint at what that should be, but he
besought the Noble Lord to hold out some hope that some
attempt, however slight, would be made to alleviate their
distresses during the next Session. He should be
ungrateful, if he did not acknowledge that the Noble Lord
had done something for the people this Session with re-
gard to the Post-office.—( Cheers.) That was a measure
calculated to be of great benefit to the country, and
he felt grateful for it ; but he was afraid the
working classes would not derive any great immediate be.
nufir from that measure.—(Cheers from
.the Opposition.)
They were too deeply dist re:sed—Alffcring too acutely from
the pressure of the Corn-law. (Cheers from the
Ministerial benclies)—to indulge in correspondence. The
communication of distress was not very pleasing, .their
imaginations were kept down by the pressure of these Laws,
but let these Laws be repealed, let them be well fed and
made comfortable, and the imaginaton would then soar into
regions of delight, and an increase of correspondence
would be the consequence. The people throughout the
country sought fur an alleviation of their condition—there
was a wide spread -agitati,n existing on this subject.
What was the cause of this? The p..iople of this country
were not _ naturaily a discontented. people.—( Cheers. )
They were not a disloyal people. —( R.onewed cheering.)
They were not a sanguinary people.—(Continued cheer-
ing.) He was satisfied that the great mi4j.,rity of them
entertained no desire to destroy either life or property.--
(Loud cheering.) He could state as a fact that
throughout the West of England, where wages were
so very low, there was scarcely a robberi. com-
mitted. The poultry and cock were - left coore in
St. James's yard, the cellars containing the eider;
and the houses, were guarded only by the must weak,
\V est of England.
rusty, and ill-contrived leeks and bolts, and yet there vies
scarcely a robbery committed in the
They were a well disposed, kind-hem ted, valiant people,
11weret forwardm e n
.c,t' acsyfhualdl
employment,
pirl,l)epier,idtiio,ntrcbsgsuu
fur their alleviation, the House invaribly decided against
them and in favour of themselves. • They asked fur' nothing
tbiuotnethd they
yo found
house, and lien
avneyr
more than justice, and at last their demand for it had reached
that House, and although he would be-the last man to uree
them to acts of violence he would urge them to: continue
their cornplaintq until their wrongs were redressed: - ~
Mr. T. ATTW OOD had listened with great pleasure to
wages there
the speech of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, and only re..
grated that the other Hon. Member fur Finsbury 'bid:
full work one
made his motion of so extensive a nature. The distress
want . of emplbyment and want'
of
fas
waalgleso:fing to
whomever ile-re was full work there was
yeae, the, next lowwes wages so;f
full and 3 e
employment.
wheneverhe.).
~,
(,
r theree
o ultf
Noble Lord, like his predecessor on the Treasury Bench,
was incredulous as to the existence of general distress, like the
old lady who because she hal a good dinner smoking
before
her, wondered the: there could be any person starving 'in
the country. ,The extreme misery of the
classes did not extend to the non-productiveproductive
. . classes ; the
landed' and the monied aitstoereey hadplenty
1-1.1 would remind the Noble Lord that at the conclusion
of the war—( 'A laughh)---he had nodoubt but what the Noble
Lord and the House knew 'what he was going to say—
(Renewed.laughter).the yknew that he ' spoae the truth.
\Vhen the peace esre
•e, the proud aristocracyero I d
ceet e.
to take advantage of a legal quibble, and he Gops
instead of following the example, of the t E
mp e
r• eerrn mA
leenxt.,
ander_( A laugh)—and making the standard ss. in 'the
pound, or making the standard even 10s. in the pound,
which would have been a great weight upon the indase
trious classes, returned to the old standard. But the
landed aristocracy said, if you do this you will gobble up
all our rents. Whereupon Moses the Jew said, we will
give you a Corn-law before we have our money law, so
that will enable you to kcop your rents. He believed that
grins.ling poverty was the disease under which the country ;
laboured. He was sure that coercive measures would not
relieve this poverty, and unless this poverty was relieved
there was no hope for the nation. The Noble Lord was
like any' fling
like the Bourbons, who, if they never
Thet Noble Lord
never ):,
never learnt arohing.— d d—..
he recommended—(Laugh-
11r. e (Laugh-
never adopted am thing whichd)
°ravel ' ^ k '3, .s rd what right
ter)—and he (Mr. Atteooh,_,
(Laueht,r.) If • this
he had to sit on that benic
Nnble Lordin
n.ation, the
industrious and i _ntellectua _ t
_Could
limes men could live by
not estah'ish .0 system by which.l
'-'' I e :=as not fi.. to hold the situation which he
honest laboer, i -
. . eld
at present h . • ell man ought to be a Minister who
abundant labour and
could not insure abundant food for the
peoele. 1 •
ole word with:respect to the Chartists. When
he fundthat there•was no hope hall out by the Govern-
tmlit, fir the people, he thought it his duty to hold cut hoFe
by legal means. and if the measures whielche recommended
h4ta been eirrieft; he should at this time have been in ape.
sition to deal.slt,h_the_Noble Lord. He supported-the -rots.--
TuTia, anTl hoped. that the . Noble Lord would, before the
Aid of the Session, give seine sign that if the people weuld
have patience, he would t;ike into his coniideration some