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practice of giving notices of any intended motion. He
thought that it was a most convenient course, and that it
was essentially necessary that they should continue the
practice.
Lord BROUGHAM—The motion was a mere matter
of course.

The Duke of WELLINGTON—It might he so, but
at all events, it would be convenient that the Noble Vis-
count opposite should state whether he concurred in the
motion. They could only properly get through their busi-
ness by adhering to the rules which they had themselves
laid down for their guidance.
Lord BROUGHAM said he had done all in his power
during the four years he bed the honour of sitting as
Speaker in that House to maintain,order, but he had been
most unsuccessful.—( Laughter.) Hecould assurethe Noble
Duke that he had sekom or ever seen a more unruly assem-
bly, awl that necessarily so, because they had no Speaker
in that House possessed of any power; he quite concurred
with the Noble Duke in the general convenience of no-
tices, but the motion he bad made was one merely
as a matter of course, the returns he wanted were before
the other House. but they could not get them without ask-
ing for the whole book, which they did not want. It was
extremely natural and expedient that these serni.olEeial
remarks should come from the Noble Duke. The
Noble_ Lord then presented several petitions in favour of
Mr, Rowland Hill's !Aid' of penny postage; one from the
:Magistrates and Town Council of Wells, . against the
Beer Bill ; also petitions from Beverley and Leicester,
to the same effect ; and one from Daimon, ag-,inst
any further endowment to the Scottish Church. While
upon that subject, he would Correct a -eery erroneous im-
pression which had gone abroad with respect to. the deci-
sion in the Auchterarder case. It seemed to have gone
abroad that Chet decision would not be given du,ing .the
present Sess.ion, which certainly would be given early in
May.

The Earl of HADDINGTON said it was very im-
portant that the decision should be given before the
meeting of the G,,n,fral Assembly, and they met in May.
Lord BROUGHAM so+ii the decision tcould be given,
not only before the Assembly met, but full ten days before
that time.

Lord DUNCANNON la;d upon the table a return of
the names of convicts who had been discharge] in Ireland
before the expiration of their sentence; also a copy of the
circular sent to the medical officers in Ireland respecting
the certificates to be given to the convicts.

The Duke of NORFOLK presented a petition from
Worthing in favour of Mr. Hill's plan of penny postage.
The Earl of FALMOUTH presented a petition from
Penzance to the same effect.

Lord A BING E R presented a petition from certain ma-
gistrates in Lancashire, praying fur an alteration in the
new Poor-law Act, inasmuch as it was ineffectual, para.-
cularl in preventing bastardy. The Noble and Learned
Lord had always thought himself that the clauses in this
Bill, respecting bastardy, were not founded on a just
principle. He considered that there was a great evil ex-
isting in allowing the mothers of illegitimate children to b,
relieved out-of the Poor-rates. The proper remedy,
.considered, would be to take the most effectual means of
obtaining pavrneat from the fathers of those children. The
law, as it at present stood, was virtually-an exemption of the
fathers. The Noble and Learned Lord would also take
this opportunity of expressing considerable alarm re.
speeting the turning of the lower parts of the po-
pulation of Lancashire. The Magistrates in those
districts concerned in the administration of justice were
under some apprehension of their own lives in the execu-
tion of the law. He had hoped that England would never
have fallen into this state, but it now appeared that those
whose duty it was to bring to punishment those who vio-
-1 ted the law subjected themselves to danger.
Lord S UiD EL EY presented a petition from the guar-
dians of Teek.,•-idetry to the same effect.
Lord GOSFORD presented a petition from Brighton,
praying for the adentioa of a uniform rate of paitay.
Lord MELBOURNE laid on the table a Bill contein-
isg the Amendment Clause, which was postponed from a
Bat that was submitted to their Lordships last night.

The Bill was read a fiist time, and ordered to be read a
second time on Mcmda,.

Viscount CANTERBURY presented a petition pray-
ing for a uniform rate of won), postate.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY laid on the table
a BB to etrtble Archbishops and Bishops to er.jny the
same privilege at the other Clergy, of raising money en
lcHns for the building and repairing of their pslaces.
Adjourned. •

HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 19.
The SPEAKER took the 04air at the usual hour.

NEWCASTLE- UPON. TYNE AND NORTH
SHIELDS(TYNEMOUTH EXTENSION)RAIL-
WA Y.
Mr. BELL pri.'sented a petition from 1,200 inhabitants
of North Shields in Gvour of the above Railway Bill.

Mr. PHILIP HOW ARD prevntedaptition fr,-Jrn Car-
-1611 to the I,atne effect.

I, Captain AL SAG ER presented a petition from an ind!-
vidual against the Bill.
1 Sir CHARLES GREY presented a petition from
nemouth in favour of the Bid. but h, could not COUCUT
in its prayer. Also a petition f:om 1.100 inhabitants of
North Shields agau.st the 13:;1; front the Directors of the
Gas 'Works, and from the Commissioners of Paving and
Lighting the Town of North Shields, to the same effect.
Mr. HELL then moved the. second wading of the New-
castle and North SLiehis (rynetouuth Extension)Railway.
Biil.
Sir CHARLES GREY, on behalf of the inhabitants of
North Shields, felt bound to oppose the second reading of
the Bill, the object of which was to take the intended line
of Railway through that town, which would case great
inconvenience and injury to the inhabitants, and who
would be put to great expense if the House allowed the
Bill to go into Committee. Would the House be-
lieve that out of forty-five owners upon the line the
Company had obtained the as sent of only nine ?
One of them was the Company itself, another was
the Solicitor to the Company, and other two had contracts
under the Company, so that, in fact, they had obtained
only five assents out of forty five owners. With occupiers
the case was stilt worse : out of ninety-one occupiers, they
had obtairvd the assent of only twelve. Under such a
state of facts it was fully expected that the House would
nut send the partiesbeforeaCommittee which was veryexpen•
Thre were petitions tom publieComp inies against the
Bill, and et a great public meeting in the town only three
hands were held up in its favour, and one proved to be a
lunatic. He now un.ved that the Bill be read a second
time this day six months.
Mr.. BLACK ETT seconded the amendment.

Mr. H. HINDE supported the Bill. The question
was not now as to the details of the Bill, which would
best be settled in Committee ; the point for the House to
decide was, whether the Railway should be allowed. Now
he might mention that only four houses would be necessary
to be removed in the town in orler to effect the terminus of
the Railway. He was aware that many persons in North
Shields were opposed to the Bill ; but as it was fur the
public benefit, he trusted the Bill would pass.
Sir G. GRE Y said that if the Bill had been merely for
the formation of a railroad, the argument of the Hon.
Gentleman fur going into Committee would be available;
hut the Company had precluded themselves from making
use of this argument. beeawe in their Bill they had stated
exactly the extent and direction of the works of the Railway
Mr. LAM BTON would oppose the second reading of
this Bill. There were only nine assents of owners of land
through which the railroad was intended to pass, while
there were thirty-three dissents ; and it was no sufficient
argument to contend that one of the nine assentients was
,the largost landowner on the line. This might perhaps
he looked over by the House, when it was proved that
the railroad was of great public benefit; but neither
the mover nor .fae seconder of this Bill had made
out any cage wiratever, and if they recollected the public
meeting of the inhabitants of North Shields to oppose this
Bill ; 'that three-fourths of the CommisQioners of the
place, the ‘Vaterworks Company and tire Gas Company
eve., opposed it; he thought sufficient cause had been
shown for refusing to commit this Bill. The opponents.of
the Bill would have to bring their witnesses 290 miles to
oppose the. second reading. He should therefore oppose
thee

Mr. HINDE explained.
After a few words from Mr. P. HOWARD, the House
divided. when the numbers were—

For the second reading 7O
Fur the amendment lO7
Majority 37
The Bill- was consequently lost.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

Mr. Palmer, Deputy-th,her of the 1341e1t Rod, sum-
moned the Comm-nu to 11,.ar the Royal Assent given to
certain

On the return of the SPEAKER, he acquainted the
[louse that ttre Royal Assent had been given by Commis-
sion to several 1101 s, for which see Lords'report.
BURY (LANCASTER) MARKET BILL.

Upon the order for the second reading of this Bill,
Lord STANLEY said he had an important objection to
this Bill upon the score of precedent. The Bill itself was
one with regard to which there was no difference of opinion
as to its propriety. It was to enable a near relative of his,
who was the owner of almost the entire soil of the town of
Bury, to levy tolls for a market which he had built
at his own expense, to the great convenience of the in-
habitants who formerly had to attend market in the open
streets. When the Bill was in Committee he
( Lord Stanley) had taken no part in it, but
a point was started whether under the Standing Orders
it was not necessary to insert a clause compelling the Earl
of Derby, under this Bill, to lay an account of all funds
received under the Act annually before the Clerk of
the Peace for the County of Lancaster. The public
had no interest in these funds, and under these circum-
stances he felt no doubt, that even if it should be their
opinior. that the Standing Orders did apply, they would,
in this instance afford the relief required, the Sleet
Committee had no wish to press the claus,=, but they ima-
gined that the Standing. Orders required they should do so.
He ihouldwizh to have the Speakei's opinion on the sub-
ject
The SPEAKER having been appealed to would
give it as his (minion that the Standing Orders
did not apply. He did' not imagine the House
would be incined to do 'in this instance that which
hehad always cautiously abstained from—he meant an in-
terference with private property. He was of opinion the
clause should he expunged.
Mr. \V A REURTON thought the House should not pre-
cipitately eome to a dec:s on in opposition to their Standing
Orders. He thought before the public was deprived of the
advantage which they possessed of having returns of the
tolls taken at the market they should have the opportunity

EVENING EDITION.

of knowing what the case was. and the' same opportunity
ought to be afforded to the House before it superseded the
Standieg Orders.

The -ATTORNEY-GENERAL
.thought the clause
ought to be expurg(ll.
After a few olcserrations from Sir E. SUGDEN the
dame was expunged.

Mr. EIOPE presented a petitbn aoaiest tin Bir:nicg.
ham Canal BM.

RAILWAYS IN IRELAND

- Mr. LUCAS wished to w.k the Noble'Lord vshetl:xr hp
intended to persevere in bringing up the report on
Railways on Monday ner ?
Lord MO RPETH replied that it would not be in his
power to do so.
Mr. LUCAS said that when• the report was hrnught rp
he intended to move that it is not expedient for
Government to undertake the construction. of Railwa-s
in I:eland, and that any pecuniary aid afforded 't
Ireland ought to be afforded generally throughout
country.

LIGHTING THE HOUSE.
Sir F. TRENCH wiihed to addreis a few crortl=t to

House on a subject concernivg the safety of the flow:e.
—(Cries of "Ohl oh 1") He hopCd G,.tletren
would permit him to say a few worda.—(Cri,‘s of -"No,
no.") Ile proposed to move on Monday sa.xt that-it is
essential to the safety of the Hou,e mid to the saf.:',v of
the Members to ascertain whether the Oxyg • Bate
Light will expose the H,mse or the M..mb, rs to dai,gor
from explosion—(Loud ' laughter and cheers)—or
the annoyance of a tainted atmo,phere from the slightest
accident.—( Rears of laue.hter.) He had a con-ipLint to
make to the C sir. His object had hi-en to sh,w
greater amount of light by having sixty ,arolles and gr, cc i
colouring to the sha,les, which would give. great rrSirt
to Memb,tra,---( Laughter.) Let them cast their ey s up-
wards,—(Co.ltitiued laughter.) He had 'to complain of
the officp-s of the House —(Cries cf o.der.")
The SPEAKER—On this oec sio: r are recTivirz
notices oc motion. The Hon. Alea;bcr gken one
notice. If he has any other --
Sir P. TRENCH—I have another--(Load lauohter)
in the c.mrse of giving that notice, I take the lioerty
of sa%lne,—( Cries of " "
'De SPEAKER—I really roust nut it to the liirsc. to
consider, whether it is proper that dny lion.. Menthes, after
the usual practice liarbezm explained to him, ~..1,;.,111,!
diately rise in his place, and :taq, it is . ti
viate from
Sir F. TRENCH would bow with deference ard re-
spect to ?he Chair. He would move that there be
laid on the table an' estimate of the prolmble expense of
the Ox+gen Bade Light, and of the 'probable expense of
the machinery proposed to be employed td, produce that
light ; also estimates of the actual 'cost of the light ~o to he
produced, and the proposed mode 'of retounitis the
patentee. _ _

Sir IL PEEL wished to atk the N:Alle "Lord opprtit,,
(Lord J. Russel)) what course he proposvd to take en
Monday on the Jamaica Government Bill. Did he rrapos:
then to read the Bill a second time (z.tt; Lear CiAln=el
first.

Lord). RUSSELL said he should propoße to givf Tito
Bill a second reading on Monday, and tlizt Counsel should
dm be heard with respect to the precedent set last session
on the Cli.ada

Sir R. PEEL—Did the Noble Lord p•opo,:e to
hear Counscl after the tccond re-ding, or after the mu-
tion had been made

Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed to t: ke debate
on the motion for gJing into Ciiminittre, and considcr
that they were then debating upon the principle of the Dili
—Counsel would, in such ease, be heard aiier the secaid