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London, England, 1839-02-22 00:00:00

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was perfectly convinced of the necessity of some 811c,1!
measure for Ireland. He was perfectly satisfied that until
some reform took place in the Ecclesiastical Courts of that
country—until a consolidation of those Cpurts, and I SUP'
pression of the minor jurisdiction took place, that a ses-
sion would never pass without complaint on this subject..
It was impossible that persons not brought up to the 10%1
profession, whatever might be their determination to d
their duty, could so deliver their judgmenis as to secure
the confidence of suitors in that Court.
Mr. SHAW said that the objection which his Right
Hon. Friend had made bad not been met by the Hon.
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and Learned Gentleman who had just sat down. The
objection of his Right Hon. Friend was, that this measure
had not been brought forward in such a manner as to chum
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With respect t:
the last matter mentioned by the Hen. And Learned"
Gentlemen, it appeared that the measure • bad as not broug htforward by
submitted to the Archbishop of Canterbury. He eteou
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like to know whether any such course had been pursue
on the present occasion ? and with all due defer:
ence to the Honourable Gentleman he did not tbinl
the measure bad been brought forward in a way to meet'
with the concurrence either of the House or of the parties
concerned. Had it ever been brought before the Prelates
of Ireland who were so deeply concerned in the subject?
He considered that the Noble Lord, the Secretary for
Ireland, entertained a somewhat similar objection, at least
so he interpreted the expression of anxiety Ina"
use of by the Noble Lord with regard to the Pre-
sence of the Solicitor- General for Ireland, "h 0
had been so short a time a Member of that House.
If the Hon. Gentleman would agree to place his Bill IA
the bands of the Government, then he (Mr. Shaw) would
have no objection to agree to it ' • and he believed that the
Noble Lord (Morpeth) would be nothing loath to talcs
charge of it. This was a measure which required very
great care and deliberation, and however competent the
lion. Gentleman might be in other questions, it could IT.
be disputed that he should have had the ample materiel,'
and the extensive professional experience that would be
necessary in one bringing forward a Bill for effecting
total change in the Ecclesiastical Courts in Ireland. AS
the Bill in the case of the Charity Comnoissionel
was left in the hands of the Government, he di
not see why this measure also should not. If the
measure was lett in the hands of her Majesty's Go-
vernment, he (Mr. S.) had no doubt that it would receive
the most careful and extensive preliminary consideration.
In that case, also, it would have a better chance of soci
cess. He was also of opinion, that a new arrangemec,
of the Diocesan Courts of England, might be introduced
with great benefit.
Mr. GRATTAN would net agree with the doctrine of
the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Shaw), that everything
should be left in the hands of her Majesty's Government'.
If this Bill was bad, let it fall—if it were good, why
should it not succeed on its own merits. He objected t 9
the Right Hon. Gentleman's principle, as poor and wise.
rabic. He also objected to the corollary he deduced
from it. It was, in fact, recommending a Member
of the House to abai.don his independent privilege f
introducing a Bill of himseif. Nor was it necessary that
the introducer of a legal measure should be a lawyer'
The Hon. Member for ROscommon introduced the Me'
dical Charities Bill last year, yet he was not a doctor.--'
( Hear, hear.) Upon that principle, any measure Pell;
netted with the reform of the Corporation should be left
to the Right Hon. Gentleman, for though he was not Ist
lawyer, he was the champion of the Corporation...."
( Laughter.) When the Right Hon. Baronet the Member
for Tamworth introduced his Bill for the consolidation of
the laws respecting property, especially in Ireland, the
Right Hon. Gentleman did not make a single objection on
the ground of the mover not being a professional person.
( Hear, hear.) He thought therefore that the Right Bon'
Gentleman should not persevere in his opposition.
Mr. BARRON replied.
METROPOLIS POLICE COURTS.
Mr. FOX MAULE gave notice that be shoulof
move for leave to bring in a Bill for the regulation,
the Metropolitan Police Courts. He had made some a"
terations in his measure since it was under discussion bee
fore. He would leave the jurisdiction of the City autho-
rities just as it was now, but the jurisdiction of the metro-
polis police courts, he would improve, so as, he trusted, 10
make them more respectable and efficient than they were
at present. He proposed to vest in the Government tee
power of altering the situation and the number of thee°
courts, as the exigency of the case might require, end
extend their jurisdiction to the entire extent of the mar°.
politau courts. He proposed further to abolish the seite:
rate establishment of constables attending upon those
courts, and to confine the duty of executing w.w.
rants, &c., to the regular Metropolitan Nile";
He proposed to increase the salaries of the JuuPe
who should preside, and to give to the Secretary of StatY
the power of superseding such of the Judges of those
courts, as at present constituted, as should not be CO"na
dered in every way qualified for the station, and that they
should have a retired allowance not exceeding two-third"
of their salary. Under the new arrangements, it wafer°.
posed that the Magistrates should- sit every day from
~tell
till five, and it was intended to confer upon a single D
gistrate the power of adjudicating in those cases sehrl
heretofore required two. He also proposed, in order Wit;
sure uniformity of practice, that the Magistrates of all tn
police courts should bold quarterly meetings, and compare
notes of what had taken place in their respective Courts, and
confer with the Secretary of. State upon the subjec
and a power would be given to the Secretary of State t
issue 'lilts to ensure uniformity of practice—another pow,,
which lie also proposed to give these Magistrates, and eve
which might create perhaps a little discussion and jealoug/'
although he thought it would be attended with great eui
vantage, was that a magistrate might send a prisoner ferule..
wiceout the necessity of having a presentment before the
grand jury ; and thereby prevent unnecessary delays. Thel
were the principal features of the measure—he thought"
better to confine the Bill to the criminal jurisdiction of the
Magistrates, and he proposed hereafter to bring in another
measure with respect to the civil jurisdiction of these cola"'
With these explanations he would content himself with roc:-
ing for leave to bring in the Bill. He might add, that the
necessity of this measure was the more urgent, because
upon inquiry it had been found, that although the police-
office at leow. street, had been established 100 years egC'
yet, the Bill which established the other courts, originate"
in 1792. Since then it had been merely renewed from
time to time, and it appeared to him now high time to brill
in a measure which would remodel the whole establish-
ment of the civil and criminal jurisprudence of this great
metropolis.—( Loud cries of " Hear, bear.")
CORPORATION OF LONDON.
Mr. H. HINDE did not intend to offer any oPP°si-
tion to the measure, but he begged to take the opportu-
nity of asking whether it was the intention of her Ma'
iesty's Government to bring forward any measure for the
reform of the Corporation of London.
Mr. F. MAULS could not answer the question.
PRIVATE LUNATIC ASYLUM.
Mr. BA RNA B Y at the request of the Noble Lord, the
Secretary of State fur the Home Departhient, would post'
pone his motion for 'a Select Committee, to inquire intopthe
manner in which Mr. John Gilland's Home for the racer
tion of Insane Patients at Hereford had been conducted.
Mr. FOX MA ULE said if the Hon. Member would
forego his ,motior, the Noble Lord (the Secretary for the
Home Department) would consider vrbether -a Commie° •
could not be appointed to inquire into the whole subject.
Mr. BA RNABY—In case that should not be done ?
Mr. MAULE —Then the Ncible Lord will haVe no ob-
jection to the motion.
Mr. GIL LON moved far an account of the public
come and expenditure of the United Kingdom in the year:
ended sth January 1837, 1838, 1839 ; distinguishing tee
actual payments tor the expenses incurred in the colleothr
and management of the Revenue; for the charges of
Public Debt (the terminable annuities being also value
by estimate); for the expenses of the Civil Governdment ; the allowances to the Royal Family an
to his Royal Highness Prince Leopold, now King 17s
the Belgians; the establishment of the Lord Lieutenall"
of Ireland ; the expenses of the two Houses of ParliaMect
and the Civil Departments ; the other Pensions on the
Consolidated Fund, or the gross Revenue ; and the Civil
List :—Also, the payments for the administration of Justice
Diplomatic expenses ; and the payments on account of the
sums voted for the Army, Navy, and Ordnance Serviceet--
Also, Public Works, Bounties, Post-office, the Quarantine
and Warehousing Establishments, and all other Percents
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not coming under any of the foregoing heads; with
Appendix, showing the several items composing the
Account.—Ordered.

Mr. HUME said the Chancellor of the Exchequer.had Pre-
' tented certain returns which rendered it necessary for hi 03,1:
limit his motion to the metropolis. His object wag:L
show that the returns did not bear out the great super'
rity which the Licensed Victuallers claimed over the betel.;
shops. By the returns for the year 1837 it appeared ts!3
546 public-house-keepers were brought before the Magis-
trates, trates, and that 519 convictions took place ; whereas
the case of the beer-shops only 241 individuals 'cern
brought before the Magistrates. The Hon. Member then
(limiting his return to the metropolis) for a return
of the number of Licensed Victuallers having license;
Magistrates, agistrates, and the number of Keepers lxl3cei
:et
Shops having licenses to sell beer only, from the
who have been charged with breaches of the laws, je, tit
years 1836, 1837, and 1838 ; stating the number corivlc""
and the number dismissed in each you.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXUHEQUEEtiouI
offer no objection whatever to the return. If the beer'
sellers had any information whatever to give to the Golerrd
ment on the subject, he could assure them that they "ti_
be most happy to receive it, as they were desirous of ry;
ceiving the fullest information it was in the power of any
ndividual to give.
The returns were then agreed to.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
Mr. PARKER brought in the two Bills to protect th,..
copyright of designs, which Mr. P. Thompson bad eu
tained leave to bring in in the early part of the evening.
The House adjourned at half-past ten.

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BIRTH.
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On the 16th of January. at Bishop's Lodge, Jam
lady of the Lord Bishop, of a sari.

MARRIED.
On the 21st inst., at St. Matthew's, Lambeth, John Harri-
son,4 of Dulwich, Esq., to Kate, daughter of John curling,"
Gosruore, in the county of lierts, Esq.

On the 20th inst., at HiIIIED.
House, Messing, Essex, J°l'll
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, --sq., aged 77.

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