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f e'd open to ' bat privcte corepwiti,n for tvidch many ! peered that there was no check to the making of these
claimed the st"eorierity hi undertakirgs of this kind. ! earphones. What guarsntee had the House that on-
Mr. 'S }IA I.; iiiquired if tb t Nold.t Lord had entirely ! founded complaints would -not be brought forwerd ?
eh indi rich the rsinroad plan in Ireland, or may fur the ( Hear; hearts) --Ancl• If it turned out-that they were iris-r-
-/we cot session.
4 -, .th re would be no compensation fir the waste of the
lous
31r. O'CONNELL thow;ht it would not be right fowl:eines and money of the public. The Right Hon. Baronet
the Gov, cwt.-milt to state whether they intended to tske tire tlyrbdis read some extracts" from the pe!ition, and observed
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suhiect up aeaht hereafter, as he that means private spec-u- that the charges of men having gone. into a house and sat
taboo would be impecied. I down and smoked, were really too absurd to employ the
• Lord AIOIZPETH would net bind himself to say 1 time of a Select Committee of the House, and expressed
whether er not at a future period be should be ' a hoed that the Honourable Member would withdraw the
• t prepared to take up the scheme agien, but the Govern- motion.
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meet, feeling they could not successfully carry en the Alr. BROTHERTON thought some stepsctions, and
should be
project, left it. to private individuals to see if they could do taken to discountenance these practices, at ele
so.— instance of a voter who had been carried oft' when
NEW ZEALAND. going to the poll to vote for himself. The parties were
Sir R. INGLIS wished to put two questions to the Uncle r I indicted and true bills found against them, that the prose.
l Secretary for the Colonies relative to New Zealand. Ile 1 cution was not proceeded with.—( Laughter from the Or-
wished to know what were the intentions of her Msjesty's position benches.) It was not because there were not
Government relative to the colony of New Zealand gene- sufficient grounds, but because tbde heat of thet. eiecd:ion,n
x aly, and also with respect to the New. Zealand Cempany. contest had subsided, and
it
!was said
hear.) iln.g
„Mr. LABGUCHERE said that the Government had during election times war fair.—(m
b, f
r. shoUld. come to the determination of taking steps which would , support the motion if the Hon. . tin er• or s Igen.
probably lead to the establishment of a colony in that. Mr. W. PATTEN hoped the Hon Member would
country ; but as those measures were still under con i le- withdraw his motion. H..s did not wish to say anything
ration, he trusted the [lon. Baronet would excuse his personally off.nsive, but he must be aware that these accu-
not entering further into them. With respect. to the
.:,tuns were not confieed to his (Ala Ewen's) side of the
teeond question, be begged to say that the Company was !louse; and although he (Mr. \V. Patten) did not beline
recognised by the Government of this country; at the same it, he understood there was an accusation against the lion.
time he would say that in future steps which the Govern- Member himself.—( Hear, and l a eugh.)
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meat might take with reference to New Zealand, they m, Ewe KT might have been induced to withdraw
w mid consider themselves bound in making grants of his motion if it had not' been for the statement just raede by
land, to recognise the rights of parties to property in that the Hon. Member opposite, that levee was an accutation
country, unless it had been acquired fraudulently.—( Hear.) at:Qin xt hin.sel e. Ile should they, f ore persevere is hi •
ABDUCTION OF VOTERS. metieln, for the purpose of showing the public that that
Mr. EWART then rose to move for a Select Corn- House did riot slumber at its post, but was prompt' in
mittee to inquire into the allegations contained in the rstene cognizance of every offence against the freedom of
Wigan petition (presented by bin' on the loth of Juric), election.
complaining of the abduction and violence practised towards Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
the voters at the last Wigan election. When a candidate -livid, d, vs hen the numbers were—
went down to a borough, with which he was previously unae• Fee tire motion .
f quainted, upon an invitation from a large body, and elicit he Ag, sinst it
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had obtained the promises of a majority, but tee voters ae. e el:tier-its- —4s
cagargerie:dvatceffd:COLONlAL LAND.
caseand stohapureeiTennteedurttruopmtiotn•x,_erti-tis,iwngas tahaeiaroo,t(v.kn
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of a
hid,
he
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giver,
notice
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That
the
neett.
free-ail, surely the House would consider it as a more Me WARD thee rose .to move the following resolu-
• upon tile Constitution of the ceuntry.,The house punished tenion an I euldration of waste lands in the British Cobo-
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corrupdon. The case he had to detail was, in Iris ()linden, •ries, by means of emigration. tends to improve the eon.
of a much more aggravated character, aed called impure- dition of all the industrious classes ii the United Ring-
tively for the interecssioe of the Hance. But these cases Tern, by diminishing competition for employment at home,
twee not of such an ;Ter:lra:o.d nature as the present, in cornequence of' the removal of su;•erabundant numbsrs.
becauss, in those cases, the parties hal acted under the creating new markets, and 41m-ea-big the demand for strip
excited iceli-tes of the moment, but in this case the ab ;,:ng and manufactures. That the prosperity of colonies,
d ietion had Wien pr, meditated many days hefore the it. end the progress of colonization mainly depend upon the
t,-nde.l taco and these persons had been kept manner is which a right of private property in. the waste
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a vsy t ntil the fetid close tf ' the pull. The )e kept 'wets , f a colony may be acquired; and that, amidst the
guilty ot di a outrage had done him the honour to select ~rent variety of methods of d:sposing of waste lends a hie)
those von is who had signed the requisition to hint ; have been pursued by the Briti,l, Government, the most
they lia.i not attemi,t,,,l an, ot those a hose tipinioLs totehl ..IT ctual beyond Llll comparison, is the plan of vale, et a
beeleerned /1 miner!, hut :Lose had been fixed up,,n who. iixed, uniform, and suffi,dent Fri .e, for ready money,
hte. hie siened the roq .isilien !pieta, be considered as with,.ut any other condition or restriction; erd the cm-
' wee,: to vet • for him. Tt:ert: was anonher chen:nstanet lolmer:t 0f the whole, ores large proportion of the pur-
! •;.7grav;:ti,:n —those alio bad b en carried off acre pee
„-hase money, in aff wding a passage to the CO
, ra,', v,..a., bid n-t the p ,wcr, the wealth, or the ii.flu- onv, cost free, to young persons of the It-
ertild h.! more earo,s; in the citlente of tilt tw than of thow ['hat, in order to derive the gem atest pessible advantage
nee te O. feed then-eel:es. Ho th, refore trusted the House ~uring class, in an equal proportion of the sexes
Iv ..0 e s: -ti,,n gave them the (;over of standing op in 'rum this method ofco!on'zing, colon'zine, it is ease:el:Al that the p7o--
re tone(' d t`leir revn eriv-hesha. Tie prsition cout,iined
a 62':iii r I theim inence of the system should be St cured by the Leeisla
circuit-tans sof ter'(ewe, irno whica be tr e, and that its administreion should be entrusted to a
would nit no., ewer Tee etas.- of ateluerien listinet, sibordinate branch of the Colonial at; artmeet.
itight he ,tts id :rd inte three chtssos First, Ahners Islet h e utheri:ed to sell eelonial lands in this country ;to as tich
i hen en,fieed in fluor ewe hers,e.:, a .ti ~b reed to remai ' eite the s .!es of land by raisin?. leant for emigration, on
de re. or t i i.g,:ipe hi o the houues of their neighbours. the security or future land s .Is s; aed, generally, to siip"r-
-•en:: %'1 hese votcrs in Ito 'Ltd het it seiz •d in the sorecti, of intend the errangernents by which the comf.trt and well
'O,- e -,a, teeked rip wel druged weh oeiat s, and thus re
veloe! free: recordiee thew votes. eeing of the emigrants are lobe secured. That this method
The last class ;
coin nr
i ris, d tho-e wino II idcoler/W'est• less been :endied by the Legislature to the,
net ii s itilcntly s.-z • d in the new colony of South Aestralh, with very remarkable
hteehts rani carried hero Lack rooms ft.tebly held down - and gran:wirer results ; and te it it is experflerit that
. dereged with epi ttes, ,rut
_forced boo chaisr a, con- Warliarn, nt should ex., n 1 the Seuth A usteullarn st ste,n
due ed to a det.elop, mint, •of them to Liverpool, and 0 all other colonies which are suite" to its operation."
keet there toith Eh, p ill wa. c10.,e 4. All three fats. Hon- Member contended Chet the time It rd arrived
weers had sieeed the requisitiee to him, argil it was rather then it was the bounden duty of the Les:isle-tire to r,...
11,r1 Theo !Wier raving 6,c.1 d Ih-ire lof thew me.,ns of his Hedy the evils of a large an I inereasing population. The
wears, he sbeald find hi/site:l hsat cd by an cleetion pe. :ItlS of this evil were felt by r very trade and yref, scion.
this
Ile thou lit t: :is :also was an aggruva ion of the rhe great distress amen the hand-loom weavers was oto
ewe, th :t tithe persons who in Livtrivoil •had coitfiaed nsioned by the excess /7f corp eition in their trade. Xis
these seems. rind reek f- o,n . them then- shoes, refusine to ' 'auto:ries the hours of labour were increasiner while the
per nit tleen to It-,.y,: the receus tor any put pose:- eanmeration for I,bour was becoming less. In the agrieul-
Metter,. vet, riil so tor the purposes of ~ambling, thtrs leal districts there were :lie sumo evils. In Devonshire
b; the perpetration of °ore rice encotraeing another. Ist eint, r the wages of labourers with families was only
11.5. trusted tire [Luse would listen to the prayer of the J;, or 7a. a-week. Such a ststte of things were highly
petitioners, and vindicate et ()nee the privilegesof the flee- • 'vs trahle to what were selloff rev&utinnary principles.
tors, and the privileg, aor 'h., il else itself. fir areordarce These pried, les were harmless in a sound state. of things.
, whit time w•sh el :its coestituents, he begged to move for a They Now found co-existent hi Eon land a greater mass oh
. Select e,anintittre to irrqure into the alleget'ons contained t: ar :
sus utetaon to our t xisting institutions coupled with a con-
in the 'vVigtill petition (presented en tie 10th of Juno! .cieuseess of civil and pclhical rights, wi.h a power of
, 0 splainlog ut abduction and vieleece practised towards ornhinatien, a sense of injustice, end a sort of hr-poles;
the votes:, at the last Wigan Election.
-less o retl, wldch gave it ii formidable character.—
Mr. G. W. HOPE opposed the motion. Its this case ( Hears hear )N.ss w
When they talked of putting don Chart-
- one of the partied, William Blsnimer, had b it tried and lam, they should recollect that though they might put it
acquire-el irr a Court of Law, and Ire did expect the Hon. demi' in eauticular districts, yet that they could only deal
. Ow demon would have given, an explaeation of that fact with the es il by going to Ls source.—( Hear.) It was a
before he came down and • moved for a Committee social mil, net a political evil. It Dad not arisen (rem
to review, as it were, that dewsioa.--( Cries of "
this flour, bad Gov
hear. ernment, or bad. laws. Na one law could he
') !laving . stated might omit going pained out, which, if removed, would remedy the evil—it
over the others, but as 1:e did not wish to shrink rrose from the disproportion existing between lab mur and
from the Nets, the Howe would pardon him for labeer.rs. This evil a-as not confined to the working
detaining them fear a few minutes. The pstitinners stated s :sses_it was felt in the bar, in the army, in the navy_
tha't two persons of the name of Ryley had been forced into ill pr • fessions were overstocked —( Hear, hear.) He hal
l a chaise and carried off to Liverpool ; and that a wound not exaggerated this evil. It was one which no oar, mild
was inflicted on one of them with a knife. It o oily eontemplate without sincere distress, if our hope; of a1le•
admitted that the parties were known, but here was a viation acre coat red within the limits of the British
statement wide+ amounted to a felony.__( Ile sr, hi:as.) el :ride. Fortin.atelt they had other and great resw)rees,wlUch
Why was not that case prosecuted ? Not only Nero inexlintr-titde. Those resources depend( d entiroly on
was there the opportunity of trying the case at law, but A proper c.lispooal of what were d Waste or Public
there had been a Committee appointed to try the election. hem& in our Colorties. We had within the domittiorts of
But the Hon. Member passed over these, arid asked for a the 11:itish Crown every variety of climate and soil, with
I - Select Committee. He trusted, ho..vever, that the the tower of predueing every ariiele that our manufac:ures
House would not yield to such a proposal as end industry stood in need of. 'rhos::: were the treattr-es
tine present, even if 'the
_case
__was almitted, afttr they had at their dispos.l,
and how had they used
, „hat had occurred at thhe—R-OTs election, Where parties after hew ? lla I they used them so as to dispense
: - having been convicted by a Jury of carrying off an elector, :he greatese possiele cowl to an overgrown populadon ?
! ! ere appointed Justices of the , Peace in that county. line was afraid 'Joe—Wear, hear.) There had been no
With respect to the ease of the man whom it was said woes qrSteM or plan pursued and adoptrd ill our colonial police
taken out of the town in a state of stupor, the fact really- The Colonies had been looked to simply as a Lid for pe.
• i was that he went out c,f the town himself: Another it was trenage. Ile contended those waste lands were intends d
said was taken away in a chaise at one o'clock in the morn- for a higher purpose than eatronage, and he would claim
• . ing. Now the real fact was that that very individual was them as the inheritance ar.d as ' the petrimony of the
i ever taken out of the town at all, but employed himself the English poor. They were a' public trust IA Iltil ottlit
grr ater part of that night in looking out fur von rs of the te be administered for the public advantage.—( thear. )
otl e side. Then with respect to the person whom it was What was the w•msrly for this universal disease ? Such a
- represented had been terrified, what, was the fact, a fee system trust be introduced as would provent the poorer
per_oas congregated round the. hone at an early truer in emigrant from becoming a useless and indigent landowner,
• • the morning merely for an election folic. The last case and prevent the capitalist from surrounding himself with
• which bad been adverted to was so absurd, that he wrs es a desert on which he could find no labour. Thereinust he
tonished it had been brought forward; it amounted to this, the power to give and the-power to withhold land. la
that a party heine in hed, some Psrsou for a frolic got into whom,' then, was the power to be vested? Would thee
the went tt here he was aid sat down smoking. Such vest it in the G ,vernment or an individual ? Both plans
paltry races in I";‘'su;nien were eet worthy the consideration would be bee
. -ash
ex, he House. ThnHon.4lernbcr had cdverted to the casesof
all parties sh d
ould They must esbe bound,. sed bih believed the more this
e a Seed rule by which
Yaseton to weverpoer, and other places,as a precedent for the subject
was ievesti •be
course he lirep gated, in would Osed to adopt- Those cases were extremely so good as price. This was the o proved that none was
nly basis on which a
different front the present, for with the present case there sound system of celon:zation could be founded—a sufficient
had been not only au electisn petitisn, but a counter one; _twice to secure to the capitalist a supply of hired labour,
and yet, these thongs were to be passed by, and a Select chile to the labourer it held out the prospect of becoming
Committee was to be appointed: Could not, he would a capitalist himself. s prnce bad ba d-
:s -, all the causes of complaint which were intended to be loped in a circular issued i
mi fro theipl Colonialeen Officebly one the
r), ght before the Select Committee be put an end to in hat of Jrnuary, 1836. The money procured in this m-
ta,: same manner as all breaches of the teace were dealt
air could not be better applied than to the purremsesan of
with ? ATI), had not that course been adopted? Was it emigration. Our system up to 1331 was most objectionable.
pretended tl, tit was necessary to resort to extraordinary There were no advantages to the public, but there were
po!vers ? it was true tl at they might direct the Attorney- plenty of jobs to dedividuals, and not a shilling
General to proFeetAte, hut it must he done atwor ling to was realised to the public.—( Hear, hear.) He consi-
law. Ile thought the present a most discreditable attempt, timed that the plan of the Noble Lord (Hovvick) did not
tither the la lea had been beaten in one instance, and he go far enough. Besides, i
.t
.was subject to continual
should therefore opnrom the nint,on.
changes. But a national system ought net to be left on
Me. WA RBURTON said, if the / hject of the inquire so precous a foundation. Int e l trine years ere
was to punish t rep.trti,a, there might be some force in the had beenari no In ss thin seven Colonith astal Ministers, whoth had
anerguments of we H ei. Men b.r ; but as the ohjeet of the pursued different courses— one giving a charter to South
iviry was le gy , such into, inreion to the house Australia, which another had refused. With respect to
as it might require for the pureow of protecting the the amount of land sales in New South Wales, they had
liberty of the suejsce;west:ming illicit practices pre- been estimated at 10,000/., and a general outcry had been
veiling at eta-curses, be thout the motion ought to meet raised against the scheme. In 1P32, there were 20,000
with a 'wady „qui„,„„ tees,, the lieu w 1-he practices aerss sold for 6.000/. ;in 18.34. there were 91,000 acres
compla nd. of were int-teasing of late, in fact, it was now hold for 28 000/ ; in 1835, the number of acres sold was
called, co"ping eteeters.—( Laughs, r.) The object of the e 71.000, preducing 87.000/ ; an), in 1836 the amount
per;:et.teu.ion Ives net to criminate the parties, but to raised was 1('5,•13-11.—making a t nal, in five years, of
th
.; light epee the practice that prevailed at elections, 240,1911. The public resinion there had so entirely
winter he thought nutSt clesirebe. He suoutd, therefore, chaneed, that a petition, signed by nlmost all the pm-
seppett ,he motion of his Ili:tet-able Fiiend the Alemb r ; (died' resldents in News South Wales, had been ad-
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dretsed to the Committee of the Legislative Council, en.
31r. W. WYNN felt great surprise at the premet treating them to urge on the Government the impossibility
in )(tun. lie expected tire Ihmourebie member would have of ever tureing the land-selling principle to its full and
. peeved •cut some distiect object he had in vie.v. He had
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legirimete accourw, unless they were authorised to noise a
stated that the privileges of the !lease hod been in- loan for seen: icy. The land qneatio wee mixed up with
waded and the rights ef the ciector taken away ; that would every other question, and he would venture to say that
hove bent a g eel grontal for h• iegieg the pet-ties to trial, tt,„ p lies of the troubles in the culonies arose out of time
hut it Ives to groni,l for ti:e [notion ht the Ilona:wattle mintier in %silica the land hal been treated. This conetry
31ereler ler Wigen, Oao ot these parties had Int et had scowl in a manner on that question that was pernicious
breneht es trial and aepitte,l, and new it was, asks:; re the colony and useless to themselves. There had been
that. the. Iletse wt, uld erpoinr a &wee Commiltee; nothing doing there :but jobbing and peculation. which
•-: If the sate had been brought before an Electine Com- haul been shared iu by the highest officers of the Crown,
• mince it would have been the duty of that Committee to ~hd sometimes by the Governors' themselves. What had
have r. p 'fled it to the 11 dile, aral the Hoes. w ohl I have Inn-en the result of that? Why, in Upper Canada, out of
• - ordered punisheent. That course had tint bee,: ; ursued, 17 6')3.000 acres of land, there were only about 1.597.000
and what was there to prevent the eate3 of all the e iadi- teedienatecl, of which 450,000 acres were required for
viduals being adjedicat••d ern at the next A,s'zes ? road:. Iri Lowsr Canada, out ef 6.000,000 acres,
- - Under :01 the eircumwances, tie trusted the Hoeso would , .1 500000 were alienated, and in Nova Scotia and Prince
a '.not think it •(!e,ir•rble to enter into such Do invsstigation. Edeard's I,lert.', the wholeland in the territory was alien-
Mr. A 7,' LIO N B V wotdd suepert the motion of the atsd. What were termed in these Colonies the clergy re-
Hon. Alembsr foe Whet' . Tee Ho so Inel a r:eht to serves, were a bar to till improvement. And, moreover,
m rine the it:quire, and he wet only mu pr'sed to sw. the the e hole system of surveys in Canada, was conducted
• Ris lit How! Gentleman opp:wine. who had been's.' ~see a
deik.ler of the priviite,cs of the House, giving I • corm-
Li a most reckless m tntier.—(llaar, hear.) Lord Dur-
ham stated in his report that nothiag was so hal as the
tenet's° to the 'adopt:en of a course that would end to present system of emigration to Canada. Great irnam-
ut dermine itt privil ere st The course th..t• rawnow beieg
to n inually puttered at eh: rarity was displayed there, iipmanypartstherd acre no
vinced him more and reldi, wickets, or schools,tand half the inhabitants were
, mere eve; •:- um ssity fur the 8eti0t,.....( Ile ir, destitute of the consolatioas of religion, and the result
wee a , ere aurbter.) Ile wound not dwguise his feelings had be. n that three fifths of the emigrants had gone to the
: ree the. subjew, for Ire was dstertnined to bring
cwe before tire II oust to endsayour, if possible, to cell
e very United Sottes. So much for-the exercise of the preroga-
tive of the Crown. WS then was to be done ? Why no
vince it of the neeesuty of tli,, [;allot, ar, hoar- ) other course was left opsn fur them than to retrace their
11.; trusted that his Writgei, the menthes for wigan, would st• pa, if they wished to make amends to the colony for, the
he • ueeeessful ia his motion ; hut if he a-as trot, Ire would (tat! system that had beer, pursued. He would defy the
lbe entieed to the thanks of the public fer having brought Right Hon. Gernlemen the Under Secretary for thin Cobo-
n f o e a e i.
! Lor DUNG A NNON wueld oppose the Motion, be- tries to deny one word of what he had stated. But what
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/ xemule dad they before them of an opposite system's. Look li '-eL!' it to l„rr.t.rei t lisle, tut pl-Cce.l,Tit. _
at S tub Australia. %here the prerogative
,of the . Crown
Lo. 'd HO WICK wou'd put it to the Ilan. Member, 'gal hews exercised in a mild and heneficant manner. That
vine, irit w ai i,!,:;, •itt. tin t:, rr•eVure ill his metier, , be. weeeey '•a; only fount:x:lin Aegust, 183-1. The C-in-
cp.,,, it, .6 •rly cOtld d ein; di •t there were tt r eat
till 18
eldectiwis missi ,peers of Crown lands were not appcointecl 35,
t, it. The Hon. Mtelber said Isis object was more to it':' first place in South Australia a-as colonized in 1836,
puaish !he eraployers. than the pswies who hal actually at which time Swath Aunt-elite was a descre What lied
e uuiretied floc offence. 11, ( Lord H ,w:rk) agrned with It -en done since that time ? Why, up Sr the 2.lth of the
Ilia: that such should be his ohjett Ifni the fi st step to presrt.t month sales had been made of land in South
thatlyeared to him to he tho contiction of the agents to Australia to the amount of upwards of 120,000/. In the
R Court et lavv. Tire Hon. Menden- said lie wished to runt of Adelahle there had entered ne less than 111 ships,
throw light ueon these ufr'necs, but they win., well known and the rise in the value of laud was perfectly incredible.
already, and all earties wished mto be nut down. It Ile had been informed that in some parts of Adelaide the
aepearect to him that suffiuteht _timeuuls lee! not been ad town land which had originally 'cost 12n. an acre, was now
vanewl fer die interference of the Musk-, a•.,1 he trusted 'worth tide-awls of 100/. la Australia a railway co rimy
flan hone v t,
. e -emeer would not press his motion to a divi- hid been established, and two newspapers had been pub-
s: n - tmear, he,„.. )
. . lished; so much for a proper exercise of the prerogative of
Sir 11011E.1IT PE EL said one consideration flaiew.eet. ! e;e Crow n. Let the House contrast these factse ohm the state-
to have been•rmgete,,, „.,,,,,,k,
that they were esit'ahti,,h_ l rnent he had Riede whir regard toCanada. The principles that
iv a very dangeroes pree/deri.e..._( Hear; hear. ) It they li,ad been alplied to Australia he would like to see universally
j a Genre:ft w•
grantet •;• '-',- t,t" I every „fter the question 1,,, 1 „;,ple.d, but they could only be applied fairly by an Act
tindergehe inv''''',.:atl" It-',an an Electioa Committee in' of Parliament ; they coeds]. not be applied fairly by the
lie prs-zient ca,w, ,;0".. could prey refule lit institute inquiry i prerogative of the Croen without one. Her would b.: told,
warn similar cooled-nets Mir fir,: a
z in""e id , the r cases. Wns ine doubt, that the questioe of juriadiction was a difficelt
it suet, rio.,od lb .1 the: ...nrowy wa,
to, be weeder:fed at the i one, bat he entertain .d no d0e...4 upon it himself. Could ;
p..hfie ,xi.en:t. ? (-1-• • E"."1--.4 'ic,•") Then it rip 1 there be any doubt that the Celonial Legislature would
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