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,rearea that the 2- I 7ths payable by Ireland would
not pay the expt.nces of Ireland, an that there..•
fore this Bill was grant a Pension,. to be paid
by this Cour'fry. lie reprobated the Bill.
Mr. WILBERFORgE said, 014 se; far as he
had heard, it appeared to him, That the appoint:.
went of an efficient Naster of, the Roll's in Ire-.
land is expedient, if not necessary, and were this.
Bill •unconneaed with any other transaetion, it
should have his suppoet. As to the sum of
ney which, it would require; he, could never,
agree that that ought to have ank,weight; if' the
propriety of.the measure there established; :for in,.
his opinion it is not only the,.worst economy, but
some thing..worse than economy,, to.. hesitate _about:
the adoption of a wise measure,, beeause it
be.produftive of, a trifling
.expenee. As, how-
ever,
a considerable 'degree of jealousy ;seems to
exist as to. some parts of the transadiorf of which
this Bill is the, result, he, thought :it Would- be
bet ter at leaSt to. delay. ,its adoption till it should
be proved to be necessary.. • -• •
•
He vindicated the Noble-. Lord who introduced
the Bill, frorn the insinuation, that'hehad.intro-,
duced a new and imprecedented,measure of cor-
ruption. .Though he could by no. means approve
of the principle of.cornpcnsatiQns ; thotigsh he was
far from ~yishing to see
.them- adopted or acted
upon in this Country ; and though lie did not:.
think the•No4le Lard, borne out,' in the analogy
which he.haditated between this measure and the
compensation, mYde. by Mr. BURKE'S Bill to those
wlioheld Offices in the Customs ; yet, as this
principle of Compensation "hall been neted upon in
Ireland, he could not sechow this measure could

bc.called unprecedented in, corruption. As, how-
ever, there was reason to suspett that the objet
of the measure was more to grain a Salary to
those who are to be superseded in .office, than to
'the person to be appointed to an efficient office,
he could not 4t present support it.
The SECRETARY at WAR supported the
Bill; on the ground that- so far as appears on the
lace of it, it
.is proper and expedient, 4nd that
the other part of, the transanEtion is an aft of the
Irish Parliament, with which the HOuse has no-
thing to do.
Mr. MARTIN wished this measure delayed
during the interregnum of Administtation, as he
hoped that the New Ministry would have too
much virtue to support it.
Sir JOHN PARNELL called the Bill, part of
a system which he had always opposed in the Irish
Parliament, which by being adopted, had deprived
h of all confidence from the. People, and which
he would now oppose, lest it should have the
samer indepriving the United Parliament Of
the confidence which be wished it to possess.

Sir WILLIAM ELPORP supported the Bill.

_ .
• The H6ust di.vided• oh • ihe-Motion,. ," That
the Bill be read .11 thin,. time this day six months."
Ayes 7 43-7—Noes - 6 —7—Majority is.
The liouse them again. divided on. the Motiol,
" That the Bill he n 0%%; read a third time."
Ayes - 63—Noes - 4 r.—..--•MajOrity 2r.

When we we're re-admitted into the Gallery,
we found .
Mr. RYDER on, his legs. He wag arguing
that Lorl HAwm;saußy, by llaving accepted
the Offic of, third Secretary of State,: did not
come within the meaning of Me. Buaxt's Bill,
and conseptently was not incapacitated frOin sit-
ting in that House. it could'not have.been the
intention of the Legislature, that the mere cir-
cumstance of being appointed*Seoretary Of State,
the third in point of time, would incapacitate the
person from. sitting in that House, betause is
fwould then always be in the power of the Crown
to evade it, When, the subje4 was before under
consideration, in the case of a Right Hon. Gen-
tleman-(Mr. DyNDAs}, the House then were of
opinion that, the, Office' held by a Noble Duke
(PORTLAND) was the one that fell within the.
meaning of the Aft, and ,consequently that the
Right Hon. G4ntleman was not ,incapacitated.
As he did not think there could now exist any
doubt upon this question, he would not take up
any more of the,time of the,tiouse, but would
•/
move, after,desiring thet question to be
read, " That Lord HAWKESDURY is capable of
sitting in this Hduse, notwithstanding his accept-
ance of the Office of Secretary of State."
Mr. BOUPERIE opposed the Motion.
Mr.TIERNTY said, that upon the occasion
alluded to, he considered Mr. Secretaiy DUNDAS
as not being caable bf sittingin that House, ans
upon that occasion he had' contended, that which
the Right lion. Gentleinan on the other side now
argued, that it was not the.mere circumstance, of
bein& appointed Secretary of State; third in point
of time, that incapacitated the person so ap-
pbiutecl ; in print of consistency, .therefore, he
could not oppose the Motion -of the Right Hon.
Gentleman.. • He had, however, some apprehen-
sions abool the fate of Mr. Secretary DUNDAS,,

because if the argument of the Right Hon. Gen.:
tleman opposite to ,him was corret, then, that
Right Hon. Secretary was incapacitated from sit_
tiug in that House, and was liable to a penalty
for every tin* he'had voted in that House since
be was appointed Secretary of State: He thought
this was a subjeh that
,eserved very serious cOn.
sideration, because was not proper that there
should appear, from time to tune,. different de-
cibions on the Journals upon this s,ubjeal.
The <4TT9RIVEY GENERAL' said; tflat if
he had been in the. HoLise upon the occasion al_

tided to, he Rhonld'have concurred in that deci-
sion, though not upon the grounds, updn which he
understood ,it was founded. . When Mr. BURKE
brought
.iii -his. Bill, he had. a particular Office in
-yievi, viz. the Amerittan
,Siccretary of State, and
it was his objet to prevent the persqu holding
that bike from sitti qg in that House. Perhaps
the intention of the M was not very clearly ex-
.
pressed,; 1.,11 tmler no constriletign of it) could
• the N 01.114 Lprd come within it&meaning, be.
- cause the ,words wcre, " Third Secretary' of
State, 'or Scaetary for.. Colonies," which cer-
talnly was not ihe Officew,illch the Noble Lord.