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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 19, 186,%

sibility of the authorities of their own land.
The may find, and,
y it is to be hoped, that,
in most
instances,they do find, remunerative
employments in their new sphere of action, but at
the same time there are some considerations that
cannot fail to present themselves to the mind. In
the first place the departure of large numbers of
healthy active working men and women, and it is
only such that are fit for emigration, cannot help
exciting some feeling of regret, unless every means
had been tried to provide them with work at home.
This is not the case with Ireland even with her
comparatively limited population, and it would
certainly be more satisfactory if her internal capa-
cities were fully developed, and some of those
sources which conduce to wealth and labour were
opened for her people before they were driven to
expatriate themselves from sheer want of work at
hocae. Again it is a matter of regret that instead
of adding to the strength and extent of our colonial
possessions and transferring their allegiance from
one branch of the British deminions to another,
the Irish for the most part cross over to the United
States, and become absorbed in the mixed popula-
tion of that country. Mr. BARRY considers this
feature of the case the only thing to regret with re-
gard to Irish emigration. He suggests that some
efforts might be made on the part of the Govern-
ment to direct them rather to our Canadian pro-
vinces by means of grants of crown lands, &c. At
present there is not much chance for such a scheme
when the bounty money for recruits is so high in
the Federal States, but when this terrible war comes
to a close the United States will probably offer less
attractions, and we shall be glad to see this sugges-
tion carried out. Mr. BARRY, in closing his remarks
on emigration, says happily enough in referring to
the famous New Zealander who is to sketch the
ruins of St. Paul's that we have at least the satis-
faction of reflecting that the New Zealander will be
no untutored savage but a remote descendant of that
great race, whose fallen glories he stands contem-
plating. We commend this little pamphlet to the
notice of all interested in national emigration.

It is impossible to peruse the address of M. VON
SYBEL without feeling great concern for the state
of things in Prussia at present. It would seem as
if a great opportunity had been lost, and a rare
chance thrown away by the mistaken notions and
misguided zeal which actuates the Chamber in re-
spect to the affairs of Schleswig-riolstein. That
topic now so prominently put forward, is apparently
to prove fatal to the cause of Prussian independence
since the expected champions for the rights of their
own country seem merged into the advocates of
extreme measures towards other States. The pro-
position made by M. VON SYBEL is a very mistaken
one, and it is greatly to be regretted that there
seems every chance of its being carried by a large
majority. The proposal made to the KING to vio-
late the pledges made in a former treaty, comes
strangely and startlingly from those who were sup
posed to be striving to maintain intact and inviolate
the spirit of the Constitution. The terms of the
address are in themselves rather peculiar, and seem
to speak significantly concerning the new style of
things to be expected from this change of tactics.
It is idle to expect that a body of men, who, for
political purposes, can eagerly press on their ruler
to violate pledges, and can themselves seek to de-
stroy the rights of others, can ever prove the stolid
defenders of national liberties, and the unflinching
advocates of popular measures which, it was hoped,
the new Chamber of Deputies might become.
All that expectation has faded away, the
brightness of its promise is dimmed, and
the advantages expected to accrue from the
inauguration of this Chamber have utterly and com-
pletely vanislied. The language of the address is
as strong as words can make it. There is no minc-
ing of the matter, and no hesitation in the expres-
sions used, but, on the contrary, a most vehement
demand, and a strong argument are put forward in
illustrating and exemplifying the affair. Thus we
read that all Prussian activity in favour of
these disputed States " must be called an act of self-
destruction, and again, further on it is said that
all Germany will rally round the KING if he take
up in earnest the case of Schleswig Holstein, and
abjure the treaties of 1851 and 1852. This is
coming to the point with fatal determination, and
it is almost impossible to over-estimate the disas-
trous effect of such counsels alike to the giver and
to the receiver. It is throwing back the work that
seemed in a fair way of progress, and occasioning
gloom and despondency in the minds of all well-
wishers to Prussia, instead of that feeling of trustful
hope with which they were about to etzvisager the
state of things. The framers and the advocates of
this address appear to labour under a very un-
necessary fear that they will not as a body of repre-
sentatives be able to manifest their dissent
from the policy now proposed in regard to the
maintenance of former treaties and settlements,
This is a very needless source of apprehension. They
have disclosed their wishes only too plainly,
and made too evident their desire that the
former things should pass away, and that the order
should be rescinded which gave anything like a
chance of fair play to the disputed States. It is a
sad and humiliating sight to witness the represen-
tatives of a people thus counselling and adjuring
their Sovereign to break faith with foreign nations,
and before the eyes of the world annul all prior en-
gagements of the most solemn nature and binding
description. In the present instance it is doubly
painful to behold this exhibition, for the very mo-
mentous events in the kingdom whence issue these
extraordinary advices render doubly important

every step taken and every principle promulgated
by its representatives. The concluding passage of

the address is as comprehensive as possible, and
puts the seal to the whole affair. The KING is ad-

vised to withdraw from the London Treaty, to re•

cognise the Prince of AUGUSTENBERG, and to induce

he German Diet to render him assistance in taking

possession of his lands. When all these prelim

naries have been settled, and these alterations de.

,ermined upon, the KING may count upon a sure

and steady support frcm his Parliament. " The
Chamber of Deputies has not a more heartfelt wish

than to place all its means joyfully at the disposal
of such a policy, openly expressed and harmonising
with the will of the whole nation." " How are the

mighty fallen," we may well exclaim, on reading
such an avowal from the deputies. How greatly can
men deceive themselves when they are once in-

volved in a question of this sort, and how strange
it appears that they have not sufficient discernment
to comprehend the incalculable injury their proposal
would inflict on their own country. Public honour
and patriotic aspirations should surely point out a
very different course, and the advantages expected
to be derived from the desperate measures, if attained,
Would be dearly purchased at the price that must be
Paid for them. Once the feeling of confidence is
gone,
f whether in public or private transactions, it
f:rll:::da:nasmetiattitrae
er
notfs course a
h itghhaetranl la respect
a isd
co
in
de
between the contracting parties. So with Prussia;
will be east upon
'she will fall immeasurably
if now she renounce the claims of
justice and the
considerations of honour
the surrounding States, and an
her reputation.
proverbial obstinacy and
It je to be hoped that the
irretrievable eovpaibnlieo a
slur oi

the well-known spirit of antagonism which
actuate King WILLIAM, will prove of good stead
in this emergency, and that he will unhesitatingly
reject the purport of this address, and refuse to
comply with the prayer of its petition. So will he
best consult his own honour, and the interests of his
kingdom, and secure the respect of foreign nations.
M, Vox SYBEL and his coadjutors are in the posi-
tion of men who have got hold of an idea and are
determined to carry it out coute qui coute. The
influences that now prevail in Prussia seem to be
all of the most adverse description, and each change
only reveals a new difficulty or discloses a fresh
complication. It may yet be that at the eleventh
hour a favourable turn may 'be taken, but so far as
can yet be prognosticated the prospect "looming in
the future" is one of dark presage and direful
foreboding, whether as concerns the internal in
*erects of the nation, or the influences she must
exercise on the solution of important events abroad,
to sayof the imperilling of the fair fame
and
dishonour
that is threatened to her
th nothinge
reputation by this new and unexpected turn of
events. The position is one of uncertainty an
peril, and the most unsatisfactory point of view is
that neither King, Ministers, nor Deputies meet the
emergency with a due sense of responsibility or the
spirit that the occasion demands.

LATEST INTELLIGENCE.

(REUTER'S TELEGRAMS.)

FRANCE.

• BOURSE, December 18.—The market shows little
change, and in the limited business done prices have
fluctuated bat little. Threes, for the Account, are
now at 66f. 20c. Mobilier is a shade lower, being
Railway Shares quiet,
terally maintained. The
towards the close, and left

last quoted at 1,022 f. 50c.
with previous prices gen
market slightly improved
off as follows
41 per Cents .. 91 50
00. end month....
3 per Cents
Do. end month 66 35
Credit Alobilier 1030
Do. end month 1030
Bank Shares '3355
Credit i,oneier ....1210
Roman

Italian Loan 7l 50
Do. end month 7l 50
New ditto
Do. end month —
Russian
Austrian

Spanish Threes.,,
Home Debt
'Deferred

RA IL WAYS.

Cash. Account.
Orleans 965 667 50
Northern
New ditto
Lyons and Mediterranean
New ditto
Geneva..
Southern ..
Western
Eastern
Sardinian ..
Austrian
Lombard
North of Spain
Saragossa..
Ditto to Barcelona .

922 50 .. 928 75
880 - .. - -
498 75 .. - -
680 - .. 681 25
607 50 .. - -
480 - .. 477 50
395 - .. 392 50
397 50 .. 397 60
518 75 .. 522 50
512 50 .. 515 -
615 - .. 615 -
301 25 .. - -.

ST. THOMAS'S HOSPITAL.

Yesterday afternoon a numerously attended de-
putation from the parishes of St. Saviour's and St.
George's, Southwark, St. Mary's, Newington, Ber-
mondsey, and Camberwell, and the Corporation of
London, waited upon Sir Roundell Palmer, M,P.,
the Attorney-General, at his chambers, New-square,
for the purpose of representing to him the impro-
priety of giving his sanction to the suit now pend-
ing before Vice-Chancellor Page Wood autho-
rising the erection of St. Thomas's Hospital on
whet is called the Stangate site. Among the de-
putation were Mr. Tite, M.P., Mr. T. Nelson,
city solicitor, Mr. Scammell, Mr. Alderman Finnis,
Mr. Neil, Mr. Parkes, Dr. Rendle, Mr. Darnell, Mr.
Dennie, &c. Mr. Nelson, on the part of the City,
Corporation, stated that he appeared there in sup-
port of what the corporation of London considered a
right conferred upon them by the Charter of Edward
VI. ; that charter authorised the corporation to erect
St. Thomas's Hospital, expressly for the poor of the
Borough of South work. It was true their character
of governors waa modified by the Act of George 111.,
but still such power was retained by a specified
number, which, in fact, left the government of the
hospital still in the hands of the corporation. It
was on behalf of the poor, for whose especial
benefit the hospital in question was more particu-
larly erected, that he attended there to protest against
the institution being removed to a district where the
poor for whom it was intended would receive no
benefit. Mr. Scammell, on behalf of the Common
Council, said that body had come to an unanimous
vote against the propriety of erecting the hospital
on the proposed site at Stangate. It was taking the
hospital entirely into a new district. Dr. Rendle, of
St: George's, Southwark, who appeared on behalf of
the parishes south of the Thames, entered into a
variety of statistics, showing that the number of
patients making application had greatly increased
ever since the hospital had been removed to the
Surrey Gardens. In the last 10 months they had
amounted to no less than 68,000. It was true Guy's
Hospital was left in the old locality but the patients
there had risen from 30,000 in 1859, over 50,000 in
1861, to 63,000 in 1862 ; all which showed the ne-
cessity for retaining the institution as nearly as
possible to its original locality. As to the pro-
posed site at Stangate, he had himself addressed
letters to the chief medical men on the south side
of the Thames, to the number, be thought, of 2,119,
and from 107 of them he had received replies con-
demning the proposed site as altogether unfitted
for the purposes of an hospital. It was sur-
rounded by numbers of unwholesome and delete-
terious manufactories, while it was, besides, a well-
known fact that the tide flowed up as far as
Wandsworth, and the probability was that some of
the sewage which would at an early day be emptied
into the Thames at Erith would be floated back by
the tide at all events as far as Westminster. He
therefore held that while they had the site of the
Surrey Gardens, comprising 17 acres, which could
be got for £107,000, and while they had the site of
Bethlehem Hospital still in prospect, he could not
see the wisdom of paying £95,000 for the privilege
of building a hospital on the muddy banks of the
Thames. Mr. Tite, M.P., on the part of the go-
vernors of the hospital, justified the course they had
adopted. He detailed all the circumstances which
had taken place since the date of his opposition in
Parliament to the proposal to take the site of the
old hospital for the purposes of Charing-cross rail-
way up to the present time. The three sites which
had been placed before the governors were the
Surrey Gardens, where the hospital was at present
located; a site near the Elephant and Castle, New-
ington ; and Bethlehem Hospital. In regard to
the first, their own medical officers condemned it as
being low-lying and unhealthy, besides that before
they could have built a hospital such as was re-
quired they would have to purchase a large portion
of the adjoining property. In doing that he found
they would be in a different position from railway
companies, as he was informed by Lord Redesdale,
the Chairman of the Committee of the House of
Lords, iu any bill they might present to that House,
enabling them to purchase the property necessary
for such building no compulsory powers would be
conceded. As to the second site, at the Elephant and
Castle, the same objections existed. It lay at
the back of the houses, and before it could
have been opened up for the purposes of a hos-
pital a considerable extent of new road would
have had to be made. Then, as to Bethlehem,
they considered that as there were great doubts as
to the propriety of removing that institution into
the country, and as a very large expenditure must
have been incurred to make it fitting for the pur-
poses of the hospital, their better plan was to accept
the site at Stangate, which in point of distance was
similar to Bethlehem, and in point of expense a
great deal less. He desired, also, to take the oppor-
tunity of stating in respect of what had been as-
serted, as to the insalubrity of the Stangate site,
that all their medical officers had expressed a favour-
able opinion on that point, while they stated, in
addition, a fact which had hitherto been overlooked,
that persons meeting with accidents on the Thames,
or at the numerous works and wharfs along its
banks, could be conveyed in boats along the river to
the hospital with very little trouble or inconveni-

ence. Mr. Wainwright, the solicitor to the gover-
nors, then addressed the Attorney-General in favour
of the site adopted by them. The Attorney-General
asked whether the City of London appeared there
in its corporate capacity or as individual governors
of the hospital. Mr. Nqleon replied that he was
authorised to represent the city in its corporate
capacity. The Attorney-General then said he cer-
tainly thought that the representatives of the
parishes who had appeared before him would be
incurring unneemsary expense in going before the
Vice-Chancellor by counsel in the matter. He could
not, therefore, give his assent to their doing so. In
regard to the corporation of the city of London the
matter seemed different, and should they satisfy the
Vice-Chancellor as to their right to appear he should
not object to their having a locus stanch in the mat-
ter. Dr. itendle expressed his satisfaction with the

reply of the learoedgentleman, as be had no doubt

that the city of London would truly represent the
Feelings and the wishes of the united parishes on the

question. The deputation then withdrew.

A NEW STORY, BY THE AUTHOR OF " THE
HEIR OP REDCLYITE," entitled " The Clever Woman of
the Family," with illustrations by Florence Claxton, will
commence in the January number of the Churchman's
Family Magazine.
VISIT OF MR. BRIGHT TO BIRAIINGIIA3I.---Wts
((Birmingham Post) have much plessuro in etatiug that
our townsmen may look forward to an early visit from
Mr. Bright. Shortly after Christmas we may expect both
Mr. Bright and Mr. Scholefield to visit Birmingham for
the purpose of addressing their. constituents
..bFfore the
opening of Parliament.