The Sun.
London, England, 1830-12-07 00:00:00

LONDON BRIDGE.

Mr. Alderman IVAITHMAN obtained leave to bring
in a Bill to amend the Landon Bridge Approaches Acts.
A great number of petitions against Negro Slavery were
presented from various parts of the country.
BOROTJGII OF STAMFORD.
Mr. TENNYSON gave.notice that on Tuesday, the
14th Inst.' he should have to present a petition from certain
el,ctors of Stamford, complatning of the undue interfer-
ence of the Marquis of Exeter, in the elections of Members
to serve for the Borough in Parliament.--(Hear, hear.)
Mr. BROWNLOW presented a petition from Armagh,
praying for Parliamentary Reform and Election by Ballot.
The Hoc Member said he fully agreed with the prayer of
the petition.
After a few observations from Mr. C. Ptutaxt, Lord
Anatesox, and hir.O'Coutat.f, the petition was ordered
to lie on the table.
The Deputy Clerk of the Crowe attended, and made
certain alterations in the return of different Members.
Mr. CALTIMT took the oaths and hi. twat, as Meml,er
for Southwark.

Mr. BELL moved for a return of the amount of duty
on coals exported from this country during the present
year.—Ordered.
Mr. H. DAVIS presented several petitions from parishes
in the city of Bristol, against the House and Window
Taxes.
Lord BRABAZON presented several petitions from the
city of Dublin, praying for a repeal of the Union.
Mr. HODGSON presinted petitions from places in
the county of Kent, complaining of 'distress, and, praying
to be relieved from the present system of tithes. The
lion. Member said he should be sorry to do anything to
embarrass his Majesty's present Ministers, but he should
certainly .frel It his duty to press upon their attention the
present . state of the law relating to tithes, and he hoped
they would, after the Christmas recess, bring the subject
under the consideration of Parliament.

Lord KfLLEEN presented several petitions from placer
in Ireland, praying for a Repeal of the Vestiy and Sub-
letting Act*.
Mr. O'CONNELL snored for a return of the number
of Irish Barristers that have been appointed to judicial si-
tuations in the colouiea lance Ole year 1801.
Mr. FERGYSON said he thought that it would turn
out that the Irish had not been forgotten ; but that it
would be Scotch only. Nilo had to nornpliin.—(Laughter.)
4/10E-TREASURER pp'ARgL4Nn.
Mr. CrtIONNELL, advertinf to A ,Treasury wino*
ivhich had hien mentipueil amne pie* ago,: said that hs
had PAW! iiio.s4 404. l ifri-444f,1/4,114W tb4l. fqod

Mr. RICE would explain. The Vice-Treasurer of I
Ireland received a salary of two thousand pounds a-year,
the Deputy eight hundred pounds a-year, with an esta-
hlishment of clerks. When Government looked into this
mestinn with a view of ascertaining what might he done,
it was thought the duties of Vice-Treasurer might for the
nresent be discharged by a gentleman filling the office of
Chief Clerk in what was called the Irish department in
the Treasury, and who, after many years of service, en-
ioyed a salary of one thousand pounds a-year. It was
proposed to suppress the office of Vice-Treasurer of Ire-
land, or rather immediately to suppress the salary, and as
early as possible get !id of the office altogether—in the in-
t !rim it was arranged that the gentleman whom he had
mentioned should discharge the duties for an increased
compensation of two hundred pounds a-year.--( Hear,bear. )
In entering upon those duties, his first object would he to
inquire what further savings might be effected consistently
with the public service. It was, no doubt, impossible to
suppress the office without an Act of Parliament; but
every thing would be done in that and every department
of the public service which was at all consistent with the
discharge of those duties for which public officers were
responsible.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented several petitions praying
far Parliamentary R. form and Universal Suffrage, one of
which was from Henry Hunt, Esq. Lord of the Manor of
Glastonbury, who, with the other petitioners, stated, in
firm but respectful language, that it would be their final
appeal to the House.—(Laughter.)
The Host. WHlaxa also presented petitions from the
bricklayers and sedan chairmen of Dublin,praying for a Re.
ral of the Legislative Union.—(Laughten) Hon. Mem.,
hers might laugh, but the petitioners assured the House,
that where there used to be twenty sedan chairs there was
not now one. -.-(Renee ed laughter.)
Sir JOHN BURKE on a former occasion stated, that
he thought his constituents were not favourable to a re.;
peal of the Legislative Union, and he would now lay be-
fare the House what were the grounds of that statement.
At a large meeting of the electors of the pl tee which he
bad the honour to represent, his own sentimenta respecting
the Union were made the subject of inquiry ; and he most,
distinctly stated, that he was opposed to the agitation ofl
the question, and that he did without exciting any ea-
pression of disapprobation amongst his constituents ; *as
he not then warranted in the assertion, that hie consti-
tuents objected to the proposed repeal?
Sir JOHN NEWPORT wished to call the attention of
the House to a letter frotn the predecessor of the Hon. and
Leatned Gentleman opposite in the representation of the
county of Waterford. The Right lion. Baronet then read
sn extract from the letter in question, distinctlyahow-
ing that the opinion of that Gentleman was directly ad-
verse to any agitation of the question of a repeal of the
Union at the present moment, or at any time ; for he had
never ceased to regard that measure as irrevocable. Such
was the opinion of all the public men at the period when
that measure was agreed to. Both from their speeches
in Parliament, and from the evidence which remained of
their private meetings, there could not he a Shadow of a
doubt that Mr.Ponsonby, Chief Justice Bushe, Lord Plun-
kett, Lord Oriel, and all the men of that period agreed,
that if the measure were once carried, the repeal would
be perfectly visionary. He hesitated net to say, that
he hitneelf had always looked upon the Union as irrevo-
cable. He was old enough to remember the proceedings
of that local Parliament which it was thus vainly
,sought
to restore ;
_and he could well remember the state of the
country under its Government, and it was a state of con-
fusion and anarchy that he believed could no where else
lie paralleled—the country was in It state such as that no
peaceable man could live in it. He deprecated most earn-
estly the agitation of the question of the Union, for be
looked on it as sure to produce results which could not fail
to alarm English capitalists and deter them from invest-
ments calculated to create employment for the people. He
would, let the consequences be what they might, repeat
his consulates conviction against the proposition for a
repeal. He then proceeded to entice a letter from Lord
Oriel to Mr. Forster, in which he spoke of the Union as a
knot that could not be untied. Referring them to proofs
such as these, he would put it to the House whether he
had not been warranted in the assertion he made.
Mr. A. LEFROY (as we understood) expreseed his
complete persuasion that the agitation of a repeal of the
Irish Union could not fail to be highly injurious to that
country.
Petitions, praying for the repeal, were then presented
by Mr. O'CONNELL, from Cullen; Waterford, and
Longford, which were read and laid upon the table.
Mr. O'CONNELL conceived that the proposition for
repeal of the [Woo was likely to prove highly benefi-
cial, as leading to the union of torn of all parties. He
thought that the discussion of the proposed repeal woold
reconcile men of all parties—(A laugh)-09 out of
every 100 is three of the provinces were in favour of re-
peal. As to the documents which land been referred to,
they only proved the sentiments of the individuals from
whom they proceeded: this showed nothing in contra-
diction of what he had asserted, for he merely confined
himself to the sentiments of Mr. Grattan, and nothing
had been said about those. It was with extreme regret he
beard the Right lion, Baronet censure so severely the
conduct of the Irish Parliament. During the short pe-
riod of its independence, from 1782 to its extinction in
1800, it had done more for the prosperity of the country
than had ever been done before or singe. On five great
questions they land successfully oppoied the Minister, and
that was more than the British Parliament had done since
the Union. The proposition for a repeal was one that
could not be put down by clamour, and ought not to be
opposed by the imputation of motives.
The petitions were ordered to he printed.
Mr, O'CONNELL presented a petition from Robert
Archibald Douglas Gressley (the Speaker having pre-
viously reported to the House that the petitioner against
the return for the town of Galway bad not entered into
reeognizances), praying for an extension of time for com-
plying with the law relating to recogniaances, on the
ground that the name of his surety had been—notwith-
standing the allegation to the contrary—correctly stated.
The petitioner was then called in, 'Verified his petition,
and was ordered to withdraw.

The SPEAKER oi,4isl, that the only motion the Hoo,
and Learned Gentleman could make watt for further time.

Mr. O'CONNELL thee moved, " That ten days' fur-
'her time should be granted for completing the reetigni.sauce, in order that affidavits might be furnished to iden-
tify John Lynch Alexander."
Mr. GOULIIIMIN posed this motion.
Mr. RICE thought incumbent on the House to re-
k
ceive the petition, and rant the time required.
Mr. CAMPBELL for granting further time.
After a few words fro Mr. Johnstone, General Gas.
coyne. Sir R. Peel, Lord John Russell, Mr. Mahon, and
Mr. O'Hara, the motion was agreed to.
The SPEAKER then infortned the Hone, that the re-
cognizance. on the County Galway and Mayo petitions
had nut been made good ; on which the said petitions were
ordered to be discharged.
PARLIAMENTARY REFORM.
Mr. O'CONNELL had a motion relative to Reform;
hut as he was in expectation that the subject would be
taken up by the Govertunent.--(Hear]—he should not
persist in it.

COUNTY' AND POOR RATES.
Sir R. PEEL moved for Papers reloiive to the County
And other Rates, which hod been prepored with great care
and ingenuity by Mr. Richmond, the Clerk hf the WU*.
—A gr eed to.

Sir It. PEEL then brought up the Papers alluded to.—
Ordered to be printed.

The Report on the
CONSOLIDATED FUND.
Consolidated Fund MI wee brought
up by Sir A. GRANT, and received; the. Bill tivas or-
tiered to be read a third time to-morrow Ohio tirty)-
POSTMASTER-GENERAL OF IRELAND.
On Mr. RICE'S motion, that the Speaker leave the
Chair, on going into a Committee of Supply,
Mr. CiOULIIIIIIN wiehed to Nay a few words relative
to what had fallen from the Hon, Gentleman on a former
night, concerning the Post-Master-General of Ireland, and
at which time he did not happen to be in the House. He
did not wish to derogate anything from the present, or
arrogate anything to the ;met Government. All lie
wi*hed wee, that the cairn %boob! stand on its true footing
with the House. What he contended woe, that thissaiing
would have been equally effected if, the prevent Govern-
ment had never come into office. It had been said that
the office aught to have been ttboliebed • 4ut 1411-

possible till a petit' measure had heed itittodneed into Par-
liament for the purpose of putting the business of the office
on another friting. 'the office, however, was virtually
tholisherl. This patent did not rest upon his dictum,
but was known in the office to which the Hon. Gentle•
roan now belonged ; and if he (Mr. Gnulhtitti) bad re-
mained in office, it had been his intention to bring for-
ward it measure for the consolidation of the Post-nflices,
and to get rid of the office In question.
Mr. ftlcl. disclaimed all idea of taking advantage of his
Right Hon. Friend's absence, for the purpose of mention-
ing any statement. What he had said had referred to
Lord Ross, and not to Lord O'Neil, and the resignation
of the former was made to the present Virst Lord of the
Treasury; so that, of course, his Might lion. Friend
could not know of that. If he bad been aware that it
was the intention of the former Government to abolish
the office, he should not have withheld that information
from the House.
Sir IL ittIIDINGP, said that Lord Roos had only held
the office till the legal difficulties could -be removed ; and
when that took place it was determined to abolish the