The Sun.
London, England, 1863-07-14 00:00:00

THIRD EDITION

SUN OFFICE, SEVEN O'CLOCK.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS.—This Evening.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.
THE lONIAN ISLANDS.
Lord STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE gave notice
that on Tuesday next he should call attention to the cession
of the lonian Islands.

JAPAN.
Earl GREY stated that since it had been stated that Mr.
Moss had deliberately shot a policeman in the territories of
Japan, he (Earl Grey) had received a letter from that
gentleman, who denied the statement, and said he was at-
tacked by an armed party in a most unwarrantable manner,
and in defending himself he shot a police officer.
Earl RUSSELL understood that the reason the state•
ment was made was because Sir Rutherford Alcock had
been stated to be too favourable to the Japanese.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Ely Valley Extension Railway Bill and the Brecon
Junction Railway Bill were read a third time and passed.
SAVINGS BANKS BILL (AMENDMENT).
This bill was read a second time,
PRISON MINISTERS BILL.

The Commons' amendments to the Lords' amendments
to this bill were then taken into consideration. The result
was, their lordships adhered to their original amendments,
but some additional words were added to their first amend-
ments.
THE SHEEP AND CATTLE (SCOTLAND) BILL
This bill was read a third time and passed.
STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATES BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
' REMOVAL OF IRISH POOR BILL.
This bill passed through committee, and was reported
with amendments.
GROWING CROPS SEIZURE (IRELAND) BILL.
Earl ST. GERMANS moved the second reading of this
bill, the object of which was to place the growing crops
beyond the reach of creditors unless the debt was above
£2O, thus putting ordinary creditors on the same footing as
the landlords.
The Earl of DONOUGRMORE and the Earl of HARDWICRE
both gave notice that in committee they would move cer-
tain amendments.
The bill was then read a second time.
CLERGYMAN (COLONIES) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
LAND DRAINAGE (PROVISIONAL ORDERS)
BILL.
Their lordships went into committee on this bill.
(LEFT SITTING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.--This Day.
The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter after 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Edinburgh Water Bill was read a third time.
FORTIFICATIONS (PROVISIONS FOR
EXPENSE S.)
Mr. MASSEY brought up the report of the resolutions,
making provision for the expenses and payments to the
Bank of England, already agreed to.
The house then went into Committee, and a clause to this
effect was embodied in the bill.
The house resumed.
UNION RELIEF AID ACTS CONTINUANCE
BILL.

On the motion for going into committee,
Mr. CHILDERS rose to move, "That, in the opinion of
this house, it is desirable that any monies raised under this
bill, by way of loan on the security of the rates in the dis-
tressed manufacturing districts, should be applicable to
assist emigration to such colonies as may be will-
ing to co-operate in carrying it out." He, for one,
had not much faith in the employment of the
distressed artisans on public works, believing that the
greater proportion of the money would go into the pockets
of the contractors and in the purchase of materials; but as
the general opinion of Lancashire was in favour of the plan,
he had felt it his duty to give it his support. Supposing
the war in America to shortly cease, it would take at least
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four or five years before the cotton trade of. Lancashire
could be restored to its former condition. For many years the
influx of people into the cotton districts bad been at therate
of 35,000 a year, and he attributed the great increase of
crime last year to the inability of these people to obtain a
living, and thus they became a component part of the
dangerous classes. The emigration from this country and
Ireland from 1852 to 1853 was far larger than in the four
or five preceding years. In the years 1860-1-2 there
had been a great falling off, so that in prosperous years
the emigration had been much greater than in those of an
opposite character. In the present year, however, there
had been a great augmentation of emigration. Acts of Par-
liament were in existence to enable parishes to assist the

irremovable poor and orphan children to emigrate by a
charge on the rates not to exceed one-half of the average
rates of the three previous years ; but the adoption of such
a plan in order to relieve the distress in the cotton
districts would be but as a drop in the bucket. But
by the adoption of his motion, as an addition to the
bill, pari,hes would be materially aided in promoting emi-
gration, and they would find that the colonies would readily
co-operate in so good a work. Many of their southern
colonies had ceased to a great extent to be pastoral, and now
presented a multitude of these mining and manufacturing
occupations which went so far to make up the wealth of
nations. Hence there was an ample field in our colonies

for the profitable employment of the distressed artisans in
the cotton districts. It was absurd to say that the English
mill hands oould not stand the climates of our colonies in
the southern hemisphere, because they were particularly
adapted, on account of the genial warmth that prevailed,
the absence of snow, east winds, and fogs, to renovate the
impaired health of these artisans. Though numbers of emi-
grants had gone during the last year or two to Australia
the labour market had not been disturbed nor wages re-
duced. He contended that the " assisted" emigration he
proposed would be a great boon to the distressed cotton
hands, who, he was satisfied, were most desirous of emi-
grating. le. the course of a year or two a sum of from
£200,000 to £300,000 would be available, out of colonial
funds, for the lromotion of emigration, provided tea
denitio
grants themselves contributed a little sum. He
aPPeet the
the house to accede to his motion, and thus initiga
prevalent distress. He spoke from
Mr, MARSH seconded the motion.
great experience when he said Coat our lotsn.ies would Thee beobo
co .
glad to receive a great accession of emigranueraigrants. If
nies did not want particular specialities
re willing to
they bad good common sense andt succeed. For
work they would be sure of transportation,
instance, in the old "Lts made the best shep-
it was found that London pick-p
quoted statistics to show that
.3,
herds. (Laughter.) He .. and food exceedingly
wages in Queensland werel
place for women, because there
cheap. It was, too, a capita
:the bill, because
ghter.) a
were no shops (Lau
Mr. NEWDEGATEeseudpePderirtie(tlhe present extremity,ll aenld-
w„s the best one that could at the
ceptional resource wash%
he was satisfied that t
resent juncture bTeudeesed for the relief of the distressed
cp emigration, under proper guidance
otton-workers.
of women was exceedingly desirable, in
and protection,
order to correct the present glaring dis proportion of the
'a this country.
sexes
Colonel Av. FATTEN denied that the Lancashire com-
mittee were hostile to the emigration of the distressed cot-
ton hands. They had no right to expend money placed in
their hands for the relief of distress(ea to a foreign object not
indicated by the donors. H
were taking steps to guard againsrt, htheaerd. stress The
that committeemight
be apprehended in the winter, and he hoped the house
would believe that the committee would do their best to
meet all the rational requirements of the distressed opera-
tives. (Hear, hear,)
Mr. FE BRAND considered that the hon. member (Mr.
Childers) would not succeed in carrying his motion, because
the manufacturers had leagued themselves with the Go-
vernment to keep them in the vicinity of the mills, in case
their services should be required. It appeared that £460,000
out of the £.1,000,000 subscribed had alone been devoted to
the operatives, making, with the £200,000 lately raised
under this bill, only 302. per head on the 400,000 to 500,000
needing aid. There were actually 30,000 able-bodied men
out of employment in Lancashire, and he advised the local
committee to direct their attention to eairying them into
the districts where he knew for a fact there was at that mo-
ment a paucity of haymakers.
Mr. BAGWELL adverted to the lamentable distress
among agriculturists in various parts of Ireland, especially
in the west, and said the way the two classes of her Ma-
jesty's subjects—those in Ireland and in Lancashire—were
treated presented a remarkable contrast. Nothing was done
for the former, but if the Government did not afford these
poor people succour, be warned them that the people would
fail in their loyalty.
Mr, lIIBBERT coutended that the present state of the

law afforded every facility to parishes to aid in the emigra-
tion of distressed inhabitants willing to leave their native,
land.

After a few words from Mr. ADDERLEY,
Mr. VILLIERS advised the hon. member (Mr. Childers)
to withdraw his motion. He proposed that there should be no
compulsory emigration, but that it should be quite optional.
He had not, however, exhibited that either the operatives
or the parishes supported his motion. Then he clearly de-
monstrated by figures that the emigration during the pre-
sent year had greatly increased, If so, why interfere with
what was going on ? The hon. gentleman had stated pub-
licly that the colonies had a quarter of a million of money
ready for the promotion of emigration; but he had not
shown that such really was the case, though the hon. mem-
ber had stated that he expected to be made the holder of
this large sum. The mass of emigrants did not care to go
to Australia, but to America, and the right hon. gentleman
quoted statistics in support of his statement. tie feared
the hon. gentleman had unfortunately mixed up his
humanity with his interest in Australia; in fact, accord-
ing to him, England'e misery was Melbourne's opportuity.
His opinion was that if employment could be found here for
the distressed operatives in this country it would be impro-
per to encourage emigration. Cotton operatives were not
required in Victoria, and, indeed, several of the colonies
had no need of such hands. It was the duty of Govern-
ment to see that men were not encouraged to leave their
native land unless they were well satisfied that they stood
saegnod9d chance of doing well in the future. It was useless
. oepewn.as npoatrissuffiheaciehnatd capital Wherienlhethr e operatives to Queensland or any other place
em-
ploymentitalalworehannealswoetrgtakeep emigration in check, but they ample
P dient had not seen it expo-
to put the law in f
curtail emigration orce. The Government could not
Mr. HENLEY'
by h deprecated the use of the expression
rig t hen, gentlbourne's opportun• eman, "England's misery was Mel-
succour afforded b ay,"
as positively indecent, seeing the
home. y Australia r
(Hear, hear) He o the suffering operatives at
to the £250,000 spoken lacked information with respect
to promote emigration.about as to be furnished by the colo-
niesdistress in the coming wintr Fearing that the Lancashire
he deemed it wise to give
every
be exceedingly severe.
that might possibly tend, in th-eei7dpower to the authorities
misery that prevailed. (Hear, hear.)iscretion, to mitigate the
of the £200,000 to be raised under Could any portion
emigration ? this bill be devoted to
Mr. VILLIERS replied that the •
guardians could
money for any purpose to which at the present use the
could devote the ordinary poor rates. (Hear.) time they
Mr. COBDEN thanked the right hon. gentleman (Mr,
Villiers) for the patience and zeal which he haddevoted to
the alleviation of the distress in Lancashire. (Hear, hear.)
The motion would be inapplicable, because the session was
nearly at an end, and it would be requisite to send out to
Australia to get the co-operation of the authorities there to
assist in the work. He had inquired at the Colonial-office'
and found there was not ls, in hand, so far as the colonies were
concerned, to assist emigration. (Hear, hear.) Then the
Queensland Company, and indeed, the Emigration Office,
in prescribing the nature of persons helped to emigrate,
omitted factory operatives, because there is no field of ope-
rations for them. The operatives themselves—especially
such as lived together in parishes, receiving from 0s to
£2 per week—objected to emigrate. If so, they would have
heard a good deal about it. It would be cruel to ship off
people to the antipodes, without being sure they would
do well when they got there. Queensland was
one of their youngest colonies, and with a small
population, and possibly in a few months they might learn
that this population was too great for its resotuces. He
advised the working people not to emigrate to any place
except they were pretty well certain that they would be
able to do well for two or three years abroad, and not to be
carried away by such ill-advised schemes for their so-
called benefit, as that advocated by Dean Close, who, in a
recent case, desired to consign a number of emigrants to
the care of Captain Pitt, an aide-de-camp of the governor,
without being satisfied that they would do well there.
Sir B. LEIGHTON supported the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped the
debate would bear some fruit, and that the house would
quickly divide upon the motion. He defended the right hon.
gentleman (Mr. Villiers) from some expressions cast upon
him with respect to his address. His right hon. friend simply
meant to contend that it was no part of the functions of the
Government to direct and control emigration. Ihe right
hon. gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) then
entered into an explanation of the existing sets bearing
upon the matter at issue, and argued that this was no time
to lay down a new principle of operation, seeing that these
acts were deliberately enacted, and when wages and comforts
of the industrial classes were being generally enhanced.
The factory operatives were not a class of emigrants who
would succeed in the colonies. Moreover, the bill was only
sought to be enacted for six months, so that it would be
futile to place this clause within it. Our colonies had be-
haved nobly in regard to the Lancashire distress, and it
would be unfair to send them shoals of emigrants for whom
they had no need. He should, therefore, vote against the
motion. (Cries of " withdraw.")
Mr. DODSON supported the motion.
Mr. CHILDERS withdrew his motion so that the
house might go into committee, when he should prepare a
clause that would, he hoped, meet with the approval of
the Government. _ _ _

After a few words in explanation, by Mr. HORNBY and
Mr. FERRAN)), .

The motion was withdrawn.
The house then went into committee,
On clause 1,
Mr. POTTER proposed to add the following proviso :
Provided always, that the sections 3 and 5 of the said Act
shall be construed and read as if the words " one shilling
and sixpence" had been there inserted in lieu of the words
"three shillings.",
Mr. VILLIE RS raid he had fixed the amount at 3s, after
minute inquiry, and believed it would work well.
Alter a short disussion the amendment was withdrawn,
and the clause passed.
Mr. TOLLE MA.CHE proposed the following clause :
That section 3 of the act of last session, as extended by this
act, shall be read and construed as if the words " six shil-
lings and sixpence," were substituted in that section for
five shillings."
Mr. VILLIERS assented to the amendment, so that the
clause will stand at 6s. 6d.

In reply to Sir H. WILLOUGHBY,
Mr. VILLIERS intimated that the rate of interest
would be similar to that paid on account of public works.
The remaining clauses were agreed to.
Mr. CHILDERS desired to propose an amended clause
with respect to emigration.
Mr. VILLIERS asked his hon. friend to propose the
clause on the report.
The sitting terminated at 4 o'clock.

The house resumed at six o'clock.
[LEFT SITTING.]

LONDON GAZETTE—This Evening.

FOREIGN OFFICE, JULY 13.
The Queen has been pleased to approve of Senor Federico
H. Hemming as Consul-General in London for the Repub-
lic of Venezuela.
The Queen has also been pleased to approve of Don
Vicente Soto y Calvet as Vice-Consul at Newcastle for her
Majesty the Queen of Spam.
WHITEHALL, JULY 11.
The Queen has been pleased to preGlenb
sent the Re. John
Bremner to the church and parish of ucketv, in the
presbytery of Alford, and county of Aberdeen,
.vacant by
the appointment of the Rev. W. Gordon, as Assistanof the
t Hod
successor to the Rev. James Drummond, Minister
church and parish of Glenbervie
WHITEHALL, JULY .11.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint Sir John Don-
The
Bart., to be Unpaid Cotpaissione.r and Chair-
man of the General Board ot.ComTissioners in Lunacy for
Scotland, in the room of William Forbes Mackenzie, Esq.,
deceased.

INDIA- OFFICE, JULY 13.
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