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I IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS.
`MONDAY, JULY 14.

In an Appeal Iron: the Court' f Chancery in Ire-
land " Chamley v. Lord Dunsany and Others," the
Solicitoreneral was heard for the Appellant.—
Further hearing. td-morrow.
Mr. NitNnt..l., 'Mr. ALEXANDER., Lord EBRING-
' TON, and several other Members of the House of
Common's, brought up the Insolvent Debtors' Bill
returned agreed to; also the Irish Militia Service
the Volunteer Officers' Rank Bill, and some-
private Bills whiCh were.read a -first time.
The GreenWich Chest Bill, and the Greenwich
Hospital Bill, were read a third .time and passed.
The Nabob of the Carnatic's •Crnlitors' Bill was
read a second ihne and committed for to-morrow. ,
The LORD ADVOCATE Of SCOTLAND, Mr. AL:EX-
AN-Dan; and several other Members of the House of
"Commons, bivaght uli the Scats Forfeited .Estates
BEI, the ScOts.TreiisOry. Chambers the Gibral-
tarand-Malta Trade Bill, the .4k, Bounty Bill, the
Sugar Bill,and the Vrench ; which were
mitt a first time. . • ,
-The Vote 'Of Credit Bill, the Grain Interchange,
. Bill, the .Newlettudland
,Fishery Bill, the Oil of
Vitriol Bounty Bill, .ADB the Quarantine Bill, passed--
thiougli Cothinittees, anti were 'reported.
A liiesSage was ordered, On 'the Motion .of Lord
WALSINA;;HAM., to be sent .to the House of.Com-
mOns, requesting a Copy. of 'the 'Report 'relative to
the Slots Forfeited Estates.
Oct the second 'rending Of 'the Bill for more effec,-
wally:partitioning Lands in Ireland, subjed to as-
certained Rights of Common,
Lord JEDESD,JLE made several observations,,
for ihe purpose of proving, from the nature and pro-
visions of the Bill, 'that 'it ought nut to be further
entertained by the 'House ; and concluded by mov-
ing that the Bill be 'rejeded. •
The Motion was supported by Lord EipoN and
the Loan CuANcm.r.on,'and agreed to.

PRIVII.ECES OP PEERS.
'e usher of the Black Rod having appeared at
the: Bar, and 'informed the -House that the,Com-
mons ,were. ready for a Conference in the Painted
Chamber, a Committee of Conference was appoint-
ed:, nconsisling of the Earl of Wesnneath, the Earl of
Linici-ick, Lord Viscount Carleton, the -Itishop of
\-Vnythester, the Bishop of Ossory,- Lord Redesdale,
and Lord Arden, Who• went forth to the Painted
Chamber. - • •• - •

On their.return the Earl of WEST'sqEATI-1 reported
to the House, that they had received from Mr.
Banker, on the part of the Comrll9lls, a paper, which
.his Lordship read, containing a Resolution of the
House of Commons (relative to a former Resolution
of their Lordships respeaing the examination of
Lord "feignmouth), referring to the precedent of the
examination of the Earl of Balcarras, who, not being
a Peer of • Parliament, was ordered to attend• the
:House,: whilst on the- same occasion Earl Cornwallis,
being a Peer of Parliament, was requested..to' attend
by a. Message to the House of Lords. also Stating,
that Lord. Teignmonth, not being a Peer of Parlitt-'
was, in the same manner as the Earl of -Bal-
carras, ordered to attend the House of Commons to'
-lieexamined ; and finally, declaring, that the House
'of Commons conceived it to be their undoubted right
to order the‘attendance, to be examined touching
any matter before that House, of any Peer not being
Peer ofPrirliament, or having a place or seat in the
'House of Lords.

The Earl of LIMERICK observed, that this Re-
solution contained matter of the highest importance
to,the Peerage of the United Kingdom, and he
therefore trusted their Lordships -would take it into
c onsideration on the earliest possible day.
On his Lordship's Motion, the Resolution was
ordered to be taken into consideration on- Thursday,
for which day the Lords *ere. ordered -to be Sum-
-maned.

MASTERS IN CHANCERY..
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, Mr. ALEXANDER,- and
several other Members of the House of Cothmons,
brought up the Masters in Chancery Provision Bill,
the Masts Bill, the Raisins Bill, the Excise Laws
Bill, 'and the" inn-keepers . Allowances Bill ; which
were read a first time.

The first readin,, of the Masters in Chancery Bill
was moved by Lord' ELDON.
LORD NCEL I, OR expressed his warm
approbation of the Bill, the objeat of which was to
make an adequate provision for several "persons of
eminent ability and enlightened minds to whom the
.Country were every day essentially indebted fur the
able and upright discharge of the duties of their
offices. The Country were also indebted to his
Noble and Learned Friend (Lord EWon) for the ex-
cellent choice he had made of. many of those who
now filled the Office of Masters in Chancery, a
thoice the more pleasing to his. Noble and Learned
Friend; as those whom he appointed, while they
possessed in an emident degree every qualification
that could fit them for their offices, were, at the
same time, his private friends. He rejoiced that such
a Bill had come up to. that . House, with respe& to
which it was important also to observe, that it • would
not be a taxation upon the public, and that not one
individual in the Country would have any additional
burden thrown upon him in conSequehce of the
passing of this Bill:

The Bill was ordered' to be printed.—Adjourned
till to7rnorrow (this day).

HOUSE OF COMMON'.

MONDAY, JULY t 4.
The Report of the Committee on the Insolvent
Debtors' Bill having been taken into further consi-
deration, was agreed tv, and the Bill read a third
time an passed. •
Mr. Hoeuousf biaught up the Report of the
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the Bell Rock, on the East Coast of Scotland. The
Arrritdments were agreed to, and .the Bill was or-
dered to be read a third time to-morrow.
1116 Report-of the Committee on. the Bill for ap-
propriating the produce of the Forfeited Estates in
Se&land was taken into further consideration. Tho
Atnendments were agreed to, and the Bill was order-
ed 'to be read a third time to-morrow.
CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS.

.At five O'clock the Speaker having acquainted the
House that the hour was come for appointing Mana•
gers to manage the Conference with the Lords,
On the motion of:qr. VANSITTART, the same Ma-
nagers who managed the last Conference were ap-
pointed to manage the present. They immediately
proceeded to the Painted•Chamher. •
On their return Mr. BANKES' informed the House,
:that the. Managers had been at the Conference with
the Lords, appointed by their Lordships to be mana—
ged on their part by the Earl of Westmeath, and •
that they had OM municated the answer of the CoM-
mons ordered to be prepared to the message of the
Lords,
.and. had left. the same.
Messengers from the Lords announced their Lord-
ships' assent to the Greenwich Hospital Bill, the
Greenwich Chest Bill, and the Glasgow Water Bill.
Mr: Meux, from the India Houses presented cer.,
tain Papers, relative to the Nabob of Surat, pursuant
to Order of the House.
After some observations from Mr. PAIYLL on their
impOrtance, they Were ordered to, be printed.
-The Sugar Bounty till, the Irish Militia Bill, the
Silk BOunty Bill, -the Irish .Bottled Wine Importa-
tion Bill, the Scotch Exchequer Court Bill, the
.
Scotch Forfeited Estates Bill, the Gibraltar and Malta
nide Bill, the Excise Law Amendment Bitl, the
Consolidated Fund Bill, the American Mast Bill,
the Irish Gunpowder Bill, the Innkeepers' Rates
Bill, the. Masters in Chancery Bill, and the Raisin
and Currant Bill, were read a third time and passed.

PUBLIC AcCOUNTS.
Air. JIUSKISSON, after apologising for what
might appear presumption in him 'in suggesting to
the House any new regulation on the subjeta of
making up the Public Accounts, proceeded to state,
at considerable length, the advantages that would
accrue to the public from simplifying the existing
arrangements relative to that partof the public eco-
horny. The tenor of his propositions was, that the
whole of the public Accounts•should be made up on
the sth of. January in . every year (to commence on
the oth of January 18os), and should be laid on the
Table of the House within 30 days of that period.
After detailing the various alterations that would be
necessary to tarry his ideas into complete eirea, I e
concluded by moving his first Resolution, which
was as follows

" That it is the opinion of this riouse,, that the
Accounts oft-he total rec?ipts of the Exchequer, whe-
ther proceeding from ordinary or extraordinary re-
sources, and of the total issues therefrom, should
made out and closed on the , .sth ,Of January each
year, commencing with the sth of January t tios ;
and that such Accounts shixald be laid before. the
House within 30 trays after Ole said sth day ofJanu-
ary, 1808 ; or, if the Sessions should not open until
a later period of the year, .m'ithin 30 days after the
corn tnencemen t of the Sessior:."

Lord PIEIVRY:PETTY expressed his entire con-
currence in the Motion of the Hun. Gentleman, be--
tcanse the result would be that which he had be-
ore declared it was his wish re., etrea, namely, to
make the state of the public Accounts more clear and
accessible-to the House and to the o)untry at large:
'This was an obje& which he had very couch at heart,
and he I,lozis happy-to obtain the assktance of any
one in the acquirement of it, much more of one so
well qualified.to afford that assistance as the Hon.
Gentleman.

The Resolution was then put and agreed to, as were
otheis to the following purport :
" That whatever sums remained in the Exche-
quer on the sth of January, 1808, being hart of the
grants for the year 1807; also all balances in the
bands of the -Paymasters of the Navy, the Force*,
and the. Ordnance, should be considered as the sur-
plus of the service for the year t 807, and be 'appli-
cable to the service of the year 3808. And that the
same regulation should be app'ied to the balances of
succeeding yeirs.

" That it should-be in the power of the Lords
Commissioners of the Treasury to dire& such ba-
lances to be used and applied to the services.of the
succeeding year, without any vote of the House for
that purpose. •

•
a That all demands outstanding under the follow-
ing heads of service, viz. Treasury, Navy, Army,
Ordnance, and Barracks, which remain unsatisfied,
on the sth ofJanuary of each year, be carried to the
charge of the succeeding year.
" That Accounts of all floating debts, arc. be an.
nually laid before the_ use in the same way.
" That the annual surplus of the Consolidated
Fund, which formed a part of the ordinary Revenue,
and which surplus had been by Parliament granted
to the sth of April, 1807, be further granted from
the ,bth of:April, 1807, to the sth of,Tanuary,,lBoB;
and that. in future it be granted from year to year to
that time, so that the annual Accounts of the Con-
solidated Fund, would terminate at the same period
as the other. Accounts.".

On a Resohltion,
" That it would tend to simplify the making up
of the Accounts, without any prejudice to the rights
of that House, if the annual duties on Malt, Sugar,
&c. were rendered perpetual, and the produce car-
ried to the Consolidated Fund, &c."

' Mr. BAKER rose to declare, that he could by no
means accede to so great an innovation as milring
that perpetual, which was now but annual, wil.. out
m nob, more. consideration. rf such a change wai
deemed necessary or expedient, it ought to h.

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Nic.,:a§ agreed to. - •
FINAisICIAI, RESOLUTIONS.

been proposed at a afferent period of the Session,
•iv'hen there ,would have been a faller attendance of

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Members to discuss'.its- merits.
Mr. HUSKISSON- trusted the Hon. Gentleman
would believe that he had no wish to take the House
by surprise. These taxes'were always the allowed
means of raising the stipply and the House would
still retain_ the right of directing how that supply
should be appropriated: -- • ' • -
Lord H. PETTY,- while he declared
:that' he
could .not perceive how the proposition
.of the Hon.
Gentle Man would be attencied with inconve-
nience, yet allowed that. it would be an abandonment
of privilege' on the part of' the. House ; he suggested
whether it Would not be the •preferable method to
adjdarri ihecOnsideration of these Resolutions pritil.
they were printed. , .
Mr. ROSE did' not think the proposition of his
Hon. Friend-was open to the serious objeCtions that

had been urged against it. . ' '
/1/1-7 .BAKER did-not wish that the public should'
be deceived do this, business, but that they should
linow whetller. they were paying an annual or a, per-
manent tax. He should certainly sax nay to the,
pjoposition of the Hon. Gentleman.
... Mr. YORE was rather inclined to move the
previous question. The Resolution would then
stand on the Journals, and next Session it might
be inquired how. far the proposed change was prac-'
LA)le. - . . .
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. .ffr.'BASTARD was averse- to' abandoning any,
che,..;« that the House possesSed to. the 'power of the
crown; and therefore would not agree to; entertain
Ole rtesolutiOdat all.

r. liuskissON explained.
PEfiCIVAL observed, that all'the
tionS-were, in his opinion, unexceptionable, but the
iiresent.. He wished the House to, retain its power
over the means by which the money was to flow into
+213 Eichequer as well as over the subsequent aP-,
iiropriation of it. To simplify the making up of the
Vublie A.Ccounts was midoubtedly a desirable obje&;
but it was a very inferior,one when compared 'Willi
the abandonment of any "of the privilegeS of Parlia-

hierrt • •
INIn'T-Itistusso'N finding the sense of the .11-louse
was against him, proposed -to 7ith-draw the ReLo7:

' . •. •
After 1114 words frOni Mr. BAKER, and a short
explanation by Mr. HusKissoN, the. Resolution Was
i‘vithdrawii.
A concluding Resolution to the followirg-eitea :
That in the Ae&iunt annually laid before Par:-
_liament of the :disposition of Grano, the amount
of.each-, should be specified separately, and .dis-
t:lalv,"
Was then proposed by Mr, HiSKASSON.
"Zr availed hitnS'elf of .this opportunity
to observe, tllzit it was impossible.to follow the Re-
,§olutions 3§ they were read ; he sUggested the pro-
priety of printing Ahem before, they were agreed
to, inorti eq eciiilly as there was urgent neces-
sity .for_thr.;tr being immediately agrc;l to by
llutise".•
• 717:;, ST'EAKER reminded the'Hon. Gentleman,
VIA by constant practice the House, every
11(i()1u;',013 was. printed. No Resolution had the
tbrec or Law ; it was merely a _recorded opinion,
which the House might subsequently change.
' BA KER. hoped-,the -Hon. Gentleman did not
mean to originate any Bills, on :these Resolutions
durni;,t he present Session. • •-• *
Mr. oN replying that he did not, the Re=

3fr..7QH,YSTOINW that the Resolutions
Gentlemaii did not 0-o'so far as he had •
N.pe&d; would subMit, to the House Resolutions
to the National Dbt, B,:e. similar to those
'which be had On-a former. occasion proposed. He
thi's.witliont'notice, because it was his intention,
ituniediatelyatter the reading-of the first Solution,
to tnei,',6 that the Debate ou it should be adjourned
so a futureday. Thu first-Resolution was then read,
and the Debate was adjourned to Friday.
COMMITTEE OF 6UPPLY—ARMY ESTIMATES.
On -the Motion of Lord IL PETTY, the House re-
, ..
Aolvecr ,into a' Committee of. Supply, to, which
:the Eititn ,<as respe&ing the Addition of 41... y to the
sArin3' we'd referred.
Thei.SE,c,4IETRY :WAR then rose to move, cer-
RestAntiOns'on this-head, which he trusted would
`meet with the unanimouconcurrenc.e of the House.
Triield* rate of pay of Officers of Infantry was a sub-
jea on Which all must be agreed, that it was a won-
der ho :v they h:id been hitherto able to subsist. The
patience With which they had waited for some addi-
",tion , to :their pay was so exemplary as ' to call for
tile approbation of the House .and of the Country.
Even the increase which was .nowcproposed was •
-not, however, to be considered .as an'adequate re-
fortheir services. This 'would require a much
;larger, addition'; but the present situation of the
country, whicit.called for the utmost economy, ad-
.mitted that•such increase only should take place as
' :was required by absolute necessity ; and he was con.:
rylnced drat it would be rather a sitbjeia of, regret than
of .stitisfaecion that the proposed addition • was: so
The increase,, besides was td be partial only,
and, rtpt general, and was only to_extend to those
whose pay was inadequate to their situation. Not-
v:itletitudieg the nobler claims I.vhichgaiceis halt()
respect,' arising from the nature of their' profess ion
-aid theii honourable services, yet all must inow,
that itnless enabled to support 'a certain rift-11C in SO-
. 'niety, they, would not meet with general reSpeo from
the \vorld, -and thus the strongest discourage Merit
be held out to a profession which deserved so
well of the country. HiS first -Resolution related to
an'ilicreiise of the pay oSOffieers; of Infantry..' The
st.:Cond'Propose'd an-addttion to the pensions orbffi.-
ects'7Widows ; and the third related to the increased
;jay of Seieants, Corporids, and Privates, and, the ad-
', 'Oition-fo 'lie Chelsea l'ensian. The grounds on which
'these +^.q been statCcr iii
the coats;, of the discuSsions nit the Mutiny Bill. It
was als_O proposed that cv,eyy, Field Ojieer, c 9.11-
lijaWin4a
yegiment for tlie should have, dur:
an' additioe. iiday. This -,v'aS
.r6aiilectOtild principle r,.. eing enahlJd to sup-
'Fe rt a her degyee: of rank.
It was, besides, thbtigi r, that
$ll9l-31tEbolitvide to.-the pvy •kr3ll:p"fains "of-a certain
Arm,- Army. ~4t,ftt'4.:‘ ten .-Telars...6o,it;
4e ,Irable that ,some i I-lava:le' of pry s'honl4. -lake
p 4 pros tat, •c,,,Fte,otitit,d to
.c;&..1-4.4:g.i0x.;-,:ifet.stajoi-,tald it vas prciposed
T. 1.14 they silo* receive an addition of 2s. per day,

It was also proposeA to grant an adclitiona! allowance
to Lientenar of,
~,even years standing. During-
war, promotion advanced with so much rapidity,
that there were seldom any instances of
,this sort,
hnt in Peace the case wal ditidrent, and promotion
became m6re slow rite-nee, there was an evident
propriety in making some addition. He 'then/6n-
eluded with moving, thatthesum of 161,7001.95. i id:
-be-granted-for defraying the expence of these addi-
tional allowances for 183 days, from the eath'June

to December 24. '
Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY made several ob
servaCkons on the pay of
,SnbalternS in the Guards,
which he contended was too.small. He thought also
that the lowest sum on which an Ensign could sub-
sist was ss. 8d: per day. •
Mr. WINDHAM thought the common opinion
incorrect, which went to regulate the pay of Officers
exaaly by subsistence,' and to increase the pay of the
lower order :for the purpOse of bringing them nearer
the higher: All thiS seemed founded ona false as.;
sumption. The consequence,of -the present system
was, that- none could enter the Army as Officers who
bad not something else besides their mere pay. This
was important in a constitutional view, since it pre
'vented them from becoming mere mercenaries, and
gave them an interescin the country which they de-
fended. Besides, thetehad been no difficulty of late
in procuring Officers, even when the pay was con-
fessedly more inadequate than it was now proposed
to be made.. But it was also an object of importance
that Subalterns should look forward to something
higher, when their emoluments might be better
proportioned ta their expenditure. The ground of
the whole system was, that the pay of- Officers,.
though not generally adequate, might yet be so in
particular instances, by means of extraordinary eco-
nomy. Thus, in addition to those who entered the:
- army with some property of their own, there might be
others, impelled; perhaps, by a strong militaryincli,
nation, though destitute of all other resources, who
might go on for a time, by dint of rigid economy,and
struggle-through the situation of Subalterns, till they
arrived at a higher rank., It was not thought neces,
sarY that :an easier species of admission should be
granted to the lower ranks of society.: Young men,
also, who entered the Army,' generally received that
assistance from their relations,' 'which at-a more ad-
vanced period was not to be expected, and'were then_
better able to submit to privations of every kind,
while the increase of their pay would advance in
proportion to their rise in their profession. He-had
no .doubt that .a sufficient . number of Individuals
would always be found possessed of Magnanimity
enough to bear these inconveniencies, with the pros-
pea of improving their- situation in the Army.•---
These were the grounds on which the present scale
of additions was calculated. • •
4ord -DE ,BLAVIIIERE Observed, that having
spent the best-part of his life in the Army, he had a
fellow-feeling for all those who belonged to it, and
could notbut admire the wonderful addition of Is-.ld.
per day to -Field Officers. This pittance would not
enable them Ao pay the tax on property, which had
been *posed dtiring the pfesent Session, since every
Officer who received 2001. a year would have to pay
201. out of -it. He could have wished, that a still
larger addition had been made to-the pay of Captains.
The SECia:TARY at WAR replied, that besides
his increase of pay, every-Field Officer was to receive
forage for one horse. In answer to what had fallen
from an Hon. General, with regard to Officers of the
Guards, he ObServed, that -as they had universally
private fortunes of their. own,, they did not need-the
present addition ; and he could speak from his own
knowledge of that body, 'acquired from long service
in it, that they- would disdain the idea of serving for
money alone. But, the alhiwance of forage for one
horse' was also to be extended to them..
Lord Tpii,J.F. wished-to know what addition was
to be made o the pay of the Militia Officers ? -
The SECRETARY -at WAR .replied that the in-
crease was, only to 'extend -to Subalterns, on the,
-principle that the Field Officers must .by law be
men of. fortune.
Sir A. WELLESLEY repeated his former observa-
tions with regard -to Officers of the Guards ; which
again called up '
- Mr. IVI.NDHAM, who observed, that if people
could be found to fill the rank ,of Officers- without
pay, and actuated by the love of honour and distinc-
tion alone, it would be so much better. But since this
was not-to be generally expected, they must be in-
fluenced: by the mixed consideration of pay and
honorary .distinaions. Now the higher rank of Of-
ficers in the Guards was really one of these consi-
derations by which men are apt to be influenced.
Mr. FRANCIS wished to know whether it was
meant to reimburse 'Officers for-the expense -of the
'Property Tax ? If this was not done, what the House.
gave with the one hand it took away with the other.
Mr. WINDHAM replied, that this was a subject
which could only have came before the House with
propriety when that tax was discussed.
Lord TEMPLE, expressed his 'regret, that his
Right Hon. Friend had not found it possible to ex-
tend the addition to Captains in the -Militia. Of
late. the .difficulty of procuring them had been so
great, that: Colonels in the Militia had been em-
_powered by At of Parliament to take Captains from
half-pay of the Line, and many Subalterns had also
been promoted to that rank who had not the usual
qualification inland. But- as no alteration could be
:made in the present_ Resolutions, there was only one
reinedy which conic be applied, and that was by ad-
.dresipg the Crown, that a similar addition might
also be. extended to them. Unless. such an aug-
mentation should
"take placer he pledged himself .to
-submit a Motion on the subject, in the next Session
of Parliament, - -
Mr. WINDHAM acknowledged that there was a
certain.nuoa,ber. of the Militia Officers of, the &scrip-
iion4hat had been mentioned. But.besides that they
had not_passed„throngh any, Khordinate situations, it
was'improper that the interests of a few-should pre-:
vent.any general regulation:with regard to that body.
1 ',Colonel CRAUFORD observed, that this difficulty
in procuring Officers •vith the legal qualification arose
from the late .great extension.ot the Militia, and when
they were diminished, the difficulty would cease.—
The Resolution was then agreed to. „
A second Resolution,_ granting 4 Slim of E:2:gl,
295. 3d. fbr defraying -the Of increased Pen-
sionsto-Officers' Widows ; and a third, granting a
Sum of SC,DQOI. to cover theincreased charge of the
Ont-pensnners of liclsca'ijospital', were al,t) agreed,
tO, and the Report was olered to be received t 6,.
4)ol-r9w,