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London, England, 1801-06-12 00:00:00

INKNIVITY BILL.

Oa Order of the Day for the thiik reading
of the ir,dettiniry Bill, ,

expressed his hopes that the, far-
ther diseu. Ssitin of this. Bill would not be-prsscd for.
ward at that time of the night, more particularly
as (there \v re se'veral Petitions of some, lentil in-
toided't9 be' presented against the Bill.
L:I4Y also observed; that it was not
usual to commence public business so late as be-
tween 8 and 9 o'clock, He himself had a Petition
to•present against the Bill; another Hon. Gentle-
man,, lw understood, had three, another had five,
and another one (a kifgh).----Qentlemen might
bet the subjea was serious. These Petiti-
orkri eomplaieed ofhardships, and felt themselves
entitled to present their Petitions, and that the'
HOU": Shonld consider them, He thought it was
thither tit ,nor decent, that the House should deny
itself the least pause to deliberate on the contents
tut the" Petitions. _ •
HeiWKESBURY said, lie should not, op-
rose' bringtng up the Petitions, but ~ at the same
time he saw no good ' reason for putting of the
third reading of the Bill. •
dtir W. AHLNER said, he had been obliged to
Pttend his duty in that House since twelve o'clock
at- noon ; other. Gentlemen were similarly eircum.
stareed he thought this a good reason for'
p,lsiponing the farther discussion of a measure
which might detain them to a late hour.
The Tetitions were then agreed to be brought tip.
kir. Sit PR MAN, Mr. TlEkti EY, and Sir FRANC IS
Bt) D presented several Petitions against the

SHERIDAN sail, he wished to know how
many of the rrsons who had been, formerly in
et:,;tody were now active in seditious prodlices ?
The ,AITORN.EY GENERAL said, .'he did not
that he eottli, consistently with his duty,
APilwer that question.
WHIZ' READ% said, te had a Petition to
bring! up, but thOught the House had a right to
, ,
knrno how many of :the persons who had been
;limited froth Prisbn were now in custody.
The GHANCELLOR of the ~.VCIIEQUER
that the question which the Hon. Gentleman
fiz;(l proprisel was different from that which had been
proposed by the Hon. Gentleman who had preceded
biro, hut probithly one answer would suffice for both.
If the 'Hon. Gentle Man 'Wished
.to know the num.
:ber of persons who had been recently apprehended,
he certainly should not oppose a rhoriOn to that
Oreett;
gri war said, -4 appeared to him that the
queStions proposal by both 14:Honourable Friends
*ere the tin:l7%. It was very true) dut :illy:. Mem.-
ton, ofFailiament might'move for the return of the
pames.of those persons, but it was equally clear
Ihai the return could not; be made 'in time, because
theylsre now in the thitd stage of the Bill, and
r,othitfinently they wanted the information immedi.
I?% SJ. /.lA.Rl6pgvit.cd to the, Hon.- 'Mon*,
111:it it would be)Aoro: regular to state these points
ppon the questi,,n, that the Bill be now read:4 third
40, th‘to on the motion ,Or4iringing c,p a R.:tition:
..that his ilea Frier i 3
l 4•1 no other opportetnit),' hut the present for dls.
ci.,!.Llng the Question, bec;:use after. the gilt had
irt would be in win prinirc, ;nu) jhe
OPolbta safTivr-wD3 who lt-ad been 2pprcitelqicd.
Mr. Ww ;1!',,, la supported Mr, Sn t DAN.
SilLalcinz/ ilroogiiik up ;mother Petition, and
ac a.in cx7relvAi, a wish to know tito number of per.
snrs3 yAo ha(4, Teen r'ecntlyr liherated, and who were
figain iu ewtotly,,
In' L o tke iVe HE 0 E k said
that the lion,: (3:entloo,', 1):14 pg; l its ciwstwq to ;he

last stage of the Bill, though the Report upon which.
he wishei-to obtain information, had been before,
the House since the t 3th of April last, The Hon.
Gentleman had eitpressed a wish to know, • whetber
certain persons had been taken into custody ? But
surely, if le.had been very anxious to, obtain -this'
information, he would not have waited for two
mont.Usdpie_he had asked a question, or made a
„
motion upon the subbed. He had already stated,-
that he had no objection to the `production of the
list of the 'persons who had been apprehended ; but
he,begged to he understood; that in so doing, it'was
not la.etatte. there. Was any reason for doubting, in
the least; the Report of the Committee: • The House ,
had.reposed their confidence in that Committee, and
lie was sure, the. •House would concur with him
in thinking they. had deserved the confidence which
lfad been reposed :in them. But why did not the
Hon. Gentle Man: attend' the .other stages of this
Ain, and why had kdelayed this motion so.long,
if it was. of such great importance ? *Upon these
grounds he was willing to lay before the. House the
list of the persons
.who had been apprehended, tho'
he.conld not - concur in. thinking with the Hon.
Gentlemiti,lhat there was any ground .for putting
off the third reading of the Bill.
Mr. SHERIDAN, in reply said, that he had
not attended the other stages of the• Bill from ill
health. liewas not inclined to speak distespedftdly
of the Committee, but he bad a right to suppose,
and he did suppose, that they had been misled. The
question .that had been asked by his Hon. Friend
and himself was extremely simple, it was merely
whether any of the persons who had been formerly
in custody had been taken up since the late Suspen-
sion of the Habeas Corpus ?
Mr. BR AGGE said, he did not think the Hon.
Gentleman had.put this question upon its right foot-
ing ; the Hon. Gentleman had _ stated, that the
question asked by him, and that asked by his Hon.
Friend, were the same, when in fad they were very
distind, for it might happen, that many persons
who bad been in custody formerly, and had been
liberated,' might have again renewed their former
pradices, though Ministers might not have thought
it necessary, or might not have been able to appre-
hend them.--It was very possible that persons
might have gone out of the Country, and then they
could. not have been apprehended, or else Govern.
ment,. in mercy to them, might have 'been -inclined
to grant. them some indulgence on account. of their
former imprisonment.
Air. GREY, replied at some length ; he should
certainly support the, proposition of his Hon. Friend,
unless it received a much more distind answer than
it had hitherto done. He knew nothing of the per-
sons by whom thc Petitions had been presented,-but
they, complained that they had .been calumniated,
and they, had a right to have the sdbjed investi.
He called upon the ATTORNEY GENERAL,
who, froinhis official. situation, was bound to have
acquired every' information upon this subjed, and
certainly there could, be no impropriety in commu-
nicating the names of the people who had been ap-
prehended ; or he even would be satisfied if the
Learned Gentleman would state, - upon his 'Own
knowledge,. that any one person who had been re.
ce.ntly liberated, had been again taken op for Sedi-
tious Pradices.

Mr. LEIGH said,''that nothing he had heard
from any of the Hon. Gentlemen on the other side
in Any degree convinced him that the Bill before
the House ought not to pass. His Majesty's late
and present, Ministers had contended, and most suc-
cessfully, against one of the most formidable Con'_
spiracies that ever threatened any Country : under
their Government this kingdom had been proteded
from those calamities which had desolated almost
the whole of Europe, and,, therefore, he considered
themes entitled notonly to Indemnity, but to the
approbation of their Countrymen. He was at a loss
to conceive how it was necessary to know how
many persons had been recently apprehended, when
the, question was, whether the )ate Miniiters ought
to be indemnified for the iiianner in which they had
exercised their power ?
Mr.' WHITBREAD said, that if the informa.
tion which was asked was not given, he thought
the third reading of this Bill should be delayed
until that information was given. It had been said
by the Hon. Member who had just spoken, that
the ATTORNEY GENERAL was not the Confidential
Officer of the Crown, and therefore was not the
proper person of whom to ask for information ;
,now upon that the Learned Gentleman himself ad-
mitted that he possessed information, for when the
,question was asked of him, he said, it was a fad
which he did not think it his duty to disclose, and
indeed if he had not admitted it,, the House would
have been aware that he did possess particular know-
ledge on these subjects, for he was the adviser of
Ministers in these cases, and. Ministers acted un-
constitutionally if they did not cousult thc ATTOR-
NEY GENERAL incases like the present. Nothing
of this sort should ever he proceeded in without the
advice 'of the Law Officer of the Crown. This
question was tlwreflire very fitly put to that learn-
ed,Gentkinan, and it was a question which ought
to, have been answered ;' he said this the more con-
fidently, because he was assured the Report of the
Committee
,to which such frequent reference was
made, 'was defedive, and no wonder at it, for
it appeared by the' number of , Petitions which
bad been litely laid before the House, and the
faas disclosed in them, that the Committee had
been deluded ; and if they did not think so, the
better way would be for Gentlemen on the other
side•to answer the question immeiliately.—s.Besides
this, it was manifest that the Committee had taken
q number of 'things upon trust, as appeared by one
Statemeni in the Report, which was, that the diSaf-
faded had hopes of assistance from the Soldiers, ow.
inc to the hi4h price of provisions.—This was a mis.
take, f'er the high price of provisions did not par-
tictdxly aired the Soldiers, they had them pearly
the smile Rs when they were low in price, for, in.
decd, they bad them in kind io 'a great measure.'
As to the subidt which had been mentioned, and
which was the most important consideration, he
meant the 0'44 this measure must hate 'on the
Constitutmn, be regarded it as one of those mea.
sures which, when taken in the mass, would tom_.
plat the destrudion of the Constitution,----There
were various ways of destroying a ConstitutionI by
•
the *ICS 4/Itl fore Pt foreign t'ocs; or by

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'' the irons of those, who he dared to _say- thottght
themselves its friends, by measures which they
thou calculated for its preserition, bur Which
r- ' •
Wist d most 'assuredly destroy it,---It decd, if it had `
' not been for the Frereli Revolution, , these persqns
never would have dreamt of .riving suth-power as
this to Government, which they increased year
"after year, until at last every thing like the
principles of.-Publie Freedom teas gone. - This was—
commenced, and for some sime carried on upon the
idea that Ministers were responsible, but what was
now becorne of that responsibility ? Here was a
Bill which destroyed all idea of responsibility on
the part of the Ministers of the Crown; and when
once this precedent was established, there • never
could be any such thing ; 'for a Minister, after this
Bill was passed, would never have any responsibility
attached to him ; he had nothing to do but to.say he-
aded in defence of the Constitution of his Country,
and then he must be indemnified,' for there was in
this case nothing but an assertion that Mini.
stets had aeled for the ConstitutiOn of their Country:
whereas, they had overturned its principles,,destroy-
ed its vital part, and left behind the sh:fpe indeed, but
which was nothing but a lifeless . corpse. For
these considerations, and because the question which
had been so repeatedly put, had not been answer-
ed, he should be under the • necessity of opposing,
this 'Bill, and therefore he should' now move'. an
Amendnient to the Question which was, leaving out
the word " now," and inserting " Monday next.".
The Question being put,
Lord" UAWKESBURY said; he should vote for
the word "'now," not because he thought that the
Information was improper, provided a Motion was
for it, but he saw nothing, in the. Information that
laid any ground for delaying the reading of the Bill.
He admitted that the information might be fairly.
asked for, and he was willing to admit its necessity;
but that was no reason frit stopping the Bill. The
power of arresting persons, and keeping them awhile
without bringing them to trial was a power which
Parliament should watch ; it was right that Parliament
should know the 'extent 'to which that power had
been used, and Parliament had a right also to see!
whether it had been fairly used ; but he saw no
ground why the information should come by wiry
of answer to a question in preference to the regular
course of its coming before the House upon mo.
tion, tiiiless, Indeed, Gentlemen preferred private
information to publiedacument. With reSpea. to
the manner in which the measure; now before the .
House was opposed, it did not give him any surprize, ,
considering. how those Gentlemen who did oppose
it, had anted in the whole course of the measure;
which had been proposed for the safety of the State,
which they had constantly 'opposed. The Alien i1i11,.41
which had been of such essential service to thiCoun•
try, and other tneasures or a similar nature, had :beep
opposed by those Gentlemen. He did not .blunie •
these Gentlemen for the Harts they took ; they had,.;
no doubt, .afted conscientiously, and he was ready
to admit, that their feelings, judgments, and old.-
nions, their • very minds, were framed differently
from his—they could see im danger where htseould
see nothing else, 'and they saw no security, where :
he saw nothing- but safety.. The Han". Gentleman
had said that, but for the French Revolution, those
measures V.asold never have been proposed=--cer-
tainly not--for had it not been for the kstench Re;
volution, no , such measure would have been neces-
sary. But what was that Revolution in its prin..
ciples and its consequences ? Gentlemen on the
other side of the HOUSe 'stated the French Revo.
lotion as a measure having no effea'sati surround-
ing Nations. Those,-however, who judged of it
by its fruits, saw that it had been the ground-
work of all the evils with which Europe had been
affliaed for niany years, and therefore such persons
had made it the (AT& of their jealousy-and watch.
fulness, for the preservation of Legitimate Govern.
ment, Order, Law, Morality, and Religion. He
trusted that he felt as much
,attachment to the. ge.
neral principles of Liberty as any man its that
House, And also as much attachment to the prin. '
ciples of .the Constitution, whose true charaaer was
that of being a wise system of moderation and me.
diurn between Despotic Monarchy or Arbitrary
Power on the one hand, .and Democratic Fury
and Licentiousness on the other. N wasut there
another point', to which he wished to Ball the ,
attention of the CoMmittee, _and for which . our
Constitution was most admirably adapted, namely,
that it was adapted to remove
.any evil that sur-
rounds it. The ctuestion then would be, what
was the peculiar evil of the time ?--s-This, it had .
been the. praaice -of Parliament to notice,
and to provide against it. He was indeed afraid it
would be found in the best histories we had of the
affairs of this world, that -every Country and" every
•Age had its evils, and its pectiliae evil.. It was
the custom of Parliament to consissel rAVliat that evil
was, and it was in the real diseoveiy of thats•evil.
and the remedy, almost the iyhole''' qt.. what was:
called State Policy , consisted. A"‘cetitury or -tWtS,
ago, ;the evil •of this "_Country.:wis . very ,dif.
ferent from what it was" at.•;7preslitt,; 'or • had
been for the last eight or. .ten feasts. , :Tti come
to times that we all 'read with i certain. degree,
of interest .at this day,:..narnelys' 'OA a .I''opFsh.
Pretender and the Abtittorii of 'ArNtriir.V. .Power
tl-krearene4 the safety,' or at all eventasthokreedoin
of this Country, the system •of ..the.P.artlasnent %ea-
direeted to prevent., the 'triumph of iiii.AGi.rtrirslf'
that evil; Itut towardt.the end of Abe liit centu4):
and especially a little kelvanced io_ this and indad
about the commencement of the prescat,Riign.in
particular, a danger :of a perfeftlynetv sorb became
considerable, but not ,alarmihg, uatil,ialglyss,-shere
Was no person Who had observed the state.oft hisotin--
try at the beginning of the pitsrift Reign, ,wes. did:
not see that the great eVilof•theAlak eras ScilititinAtt .
at that time it did potrequite More than the alien-
foreement of the La's,/ 'as it then stood • hurrroni .g.
system' of false Philosophy, and airetled-- Atheism,
it l')ecame'foirnidatile; 'and - more "than equal to the
• established taws
,of,Eorope,_ ' At• last it. broke, out
[ in Ft-4)0, under the. name-:of The French ReVals-.
tion, and it vsgs,s Wsiessik-a.. s'eitte.. the at-it-ration of
that ancient Monarchy, WithlYthe tiverthraw- of
morals, andp the destruCtion of Religion, and of every
principle by which rni..nkind were held togetheand
which had hitherto been held sacred. This great
evil was not elways considered in its deer light. 'rile
• rnischig was- not etreacti by a Moll (I:res.:led by a
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few Leaders, the ordina4s course of a :change .by
popular Insurrection-; but .it was brought aboilt.-
by a system of organization, and of all plans for
the destruetion of establislunentss the very best
that could be Contrived,. Such was the case with
the French Revolution, and it was impossible that
so great a change could have taken place there
without its affeeting other Nations; All those who
had but little,. to_lose and thought they had much,_.
to gain, became the immediate advocates of the'
French Revolution ; and upon this principle there
was, at. an early period of the French Itevolution„,.-
adopted.in this Country and in Ireland, a system of
hostility against Religion and Proeerty. This was.
denied by Gentlemen on the other side for a consi..
&table time, and he did not know whether to this
day the system'. as admitted to its full extent, for
Gentlemen were much in the habit of saying there
might be some discontented individuals, but that they
were few in number and insignificant in power, and
that they had no property, and not as the case was in
the Rebellion 'of 17te, and 174 e. Now he would
ask these Gentlemen, who would affeft to despise
• the danger-BEM-ft there was no' Property, nor were
there any eminent Leaders among the discontented,
what they thought of the late Rebellion in Ireland ?
whether they ever heard of one more dreadfel, and,
yet there were no Leading Men of Charafter, pot
of any great Property in it ; but that on, the con-
trary, the suppression of it was very melt ()win,_g
to the, zeal, spirit, and heroism of the Gentry of tue
Country. 'This Rebellion was the acacia SYiteln
adopted at the French Revolution. But Gentlemen. .
who saw nothing hut -good in that Revolution, Saw
nothing in the Irish Rebellion different from and'
other, where-aft it had this distinguishing mark,
as an emanation of the French Revolution, that it
Was carried on without the advantage of .PropertY
or Names. It is not to treasonable and seditious pur-
poses alone, that of late. years this system of secret
instruments, and of private concealed organization
has been applied. .It has,elso been applied to trade,
and many other objeas .and why has it gained so
much ground ? Because it gives to numbers a power
and influence, which, without it, numbers could
never attain. It supplies the want of property, and of
every other thing,, which, in former times conferred..
influence and power. With the knowledge then of
the danger of this system, and of its existence among
those who desire the destruction of the Constitur
tion, with the example of Ireland in view, WO
the knowledge of the Repoas of so many Secret
,COmmittees of ,the House, and of the authentic
.DOcuments too, -which have been annexesi to,
tehem, he, thought it .iMpcissible than. the 800 ..
'could .hesitate as •to the passing of
:whß, is the: nature of the Bill ? T o
hose eemreck:
on charges of treasonable, and seditious praaleelse
frOortiTeotitOmof _their system, such as he had de-
scribed it,
,could be found out, and their scheme?
discovered only from secret infOrination. 'This Bill.
~is trirrOretro§e; who' aced on these informations
without obliging them to discover the Informers:
which, were it done, would disable. theGoveronelf„,
from watching the condua, and frustrating
~schemes eidhee mtei
rseofr
lets e
rimen:nrinct
oGoperinn
ittoliel,nems,e;
,rthcoa It) the
thes other
re
lution dangerous- and. pernicious ;
nothing in .the eo
t‘-utiii‘o
spiracits have existed- in this Country again'prin..
Constitdtion and Government ; that Jacobin.
I.l_
ciples ItAie never any alarming pogress ulmeoi
Country--then they-are right in opposing this ;‘,..
• stre. But if the opinions, on which a large gn.aiht
city of the House have afted for the last ricegi,
years be well founded, then this Bill, must he Ile
sary for the continuance of the public security. bit
has been said, that this Bill will put an end 'to all
responsibility in the late Ministers ; but e°l,-
tended, ,that it would leave their responsibilitYsy'.e
the only constitutional sense of the word, as enT,
as ever. The House would still retain' their pow`,,
to call them to an account for their condua.
only goes to proteCt them from suits in Courtsozl
Justice. • But the Public Good, and tire SecuritYb:
the Constitution anti Government, are the e,
it e-1 "of the Bill. He certainly would vote lot In
original Motion. . •Ti
Dr. LAWRENCE contended, that the SPecc
: at-
of the Noble Lord was merely an in.itirsPu'imor
tempt to divert the attention of the House. ror,
the question before it, by eloquent but desuiti.,
declamation respeCting the danger arising Ire° Jig
cobin principles, as if the same danger
apprehended front them now as in the earlier scigc
of the French Revolution.
.He expressed his '1)"
thanieh
probation of the Amendment.
Mr. JOHNSTON.E wished the this:ler:6:ll.i -5
.11
of the Bill to be put off till Mondays their sir.
opportunity may be afforded to his relation lad,
rULTENEY) to propose himself the
,4iiis
m a
me ‘yhich.on former night he had signif''' not
..intention, of. moving : • but if this delay I;leocif.
arced to, he would move the Amendment hi' be.
HeeXprit'sed'his,diiapprobation of the measures ,s
cause* is a stronger one than even ank ithani
been adopted when the danger was certaitu season,
greater, and becauie he could not see any h
now that that danger is allowed to be nn4c who
why it should be brought forward at present' been
it !seas,never thought of when it might ha
more-necessary.
Me. OGLE made a few observations °II 's°ll6..
expressions used by the preceding SPeakfellother
• pressed his
,rurprial.aao hear Gentlemen on ,
e6ing.
aide of the House advance the positions., P-'1) tso
Ireland,.. which they do, when he WOtifitiiteVesaitrtlortiOtl
that they are-totally ignorant o olio
and internal police ; and supportedthea,ed tvie
it grants indemnity to those who have
s crucial
amorrv, and because it
tO'otliers imitate their example. .cfecintei
Mr. i'd4
0' R supported the Bill, an
c.nt shod`'
that itought tlibe'judged, riots the 11944
dim of the Countiy, but byion
d.
whri the Habeas Corpus was first susperia and
will be an encouse
Mt... Wk. SMITH coMplained t)f the Ina;_`.Y._ but
ssurned by the. last Gentlemen
presomptoous tone .aL. Gentlemen vi
one, hi sfseaking.of the ignorance 01 e
his side of the 'muse respeaing I P
• Ireland.
• ,
Mr. Oone explained.
"
Mr. ELLJ,ewv „wposted the Bill °ll,
,tilownsPr:ls
eiple of consistency with his former QP
votes in the course of the \ear, -7

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also spoke shortly in: favour
of the Bill.
Mi. MARTIN Of G'ilway) adverted -to the' loud
lamentations he had beard over the 'dead
corpse of the Cohslitutionl and renmked,. that he
had often observed that ,thrise. who'were foudest an
their lamentations oftenfeel the, least, and even that
sometimes they•ha.ve proVed accessary to_ tine death.
It` hacrt been said that the Constitution has been vio-
fated; in his, 'opinion; a part had only been.
'l4er;Ecled to save the loud. laugh)—he
the :itihole Ad only been sacrificed to
save a• part icontiiitlekt • hursts.of laughter from all
sides Of the lloute)... He gave his warmest support
to the Bill. ' •
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The Amendment was, put and ..negatived, the
hrigi.t ii Miitida. agreed to, and the Bill read a third
time. '

Mr.
.701INSTONE moved an Amendment, to
limit the time during which the Protection granted
by the Bill, shall'extend to the termination of the
'War.

Mr„WIER ID Affenteresl ;it great length into an
txaminatbn of the'.argnments'which hail been used
iii favour of 'the liifl, . eicpresSed his indignation at
the silent: manner in which. Ministers seemed to in-
tend •to. reject :this Amendment, contended, that
the Constitution is destroyed L—that there •is no
I'OP of any change of s> stein —.that the
spirit of the people, their evident attachment to
their Sovereign, their quiet itibinission to the las; s,
their patient endUrante.Of the burdens imposed -on
them, and even of the pressure of famine, now; if
ever, entitle theM to be freed frorn'the restraints
imposed on their liberties. He inveighed against
the Bill, us the matt monstrous and abotninable that

ever disgraced the British Senate. He adverted to
the figurative langtiage'used by Mr. LETe:II and Mr.
Matti iespeCting the restraints which have been
imposed on the Liberties of the Country. 1-le argued,
that the latter Gentleman, while he so elegantly de.
scribed the ,howl at-an Irish Funeral, yet -admitted,
"ur there is a duid body—that the constitution is
dead. fOrmer Holl..Gentleman called these melt.
pores, lines: of cirtumvallation and bulwarks of the
ConstitatiOn . he allowed all this to be.very good, if
.these bult,vatki are not built out of the materials of
the fortress, .itd nothing is left to be defended by
them but the g-onntt on which the fortress stood.
Ile 'was as mien afraid as the Noble Lord, of
French Pfincipies„ but his fear was of the present
French Principk—the servile spirit of submission,
the sordid nail of personal interest—the fawning
.ittidcritigiegience to Omer, however wickedly
t„.:494otitc4i,X exereisett. He was indeed -ttiniid of
itiflt apprehended, the introduaion of these principles
into tl,i- Country. He next argued that the dangers
t" tli(s- Constitution were much greater in former
horn. the zealous attachment which long
c-'l5lO _.anteing great titiMbers of the people to
the Holise of STUART, than it is at present, Of ever
has been, froth the principles of laeobinicm ; *and
that yet in these times resort wad neter had, except
in cases °Patted and open Rebellion, to such a sys-
, teinof measures as has of late been adopted. The
ot)jea of the War had,originally been to restore the
cd bench Government, and as this had failed, he
:.:ontended, that it appeaa.tosilat.int.t4ed to estAblishii
its- .prineiplett- in this
.Country. He enumerated
These prinetpleh.and compared- them_ with those of
the system .adopted by the la ;,,r: and present Mini,
titers. ivas afraid that the result will be the
sane, to 'render tlie government OdiOuS to the peo.:
Plc. IVIr;SHERIOAN then proceeded to animadvert
!ritlimneh severity On the conduit of the late and
Present Ministers, relativeto the time at whiCh this
Pleasure is brought forward, which, he insited, must
give strong suspicions -of a juggle bet Ween them.
nek.t subject upon which be wished to-say a
few words, waOrelatal, and he argued that the .rebel.
!ion in that Country as little originated in faro.
Diti 'principles as in an alteration of the Gentoo lawi.,
greartnasl of those engaged in the Rebellion'
of was not influeneectby Jacobinicalbrig
c)11)les) but owing to that degradation they . felt
themselves placed in on account of religiou's diffe,
rences, and the Poor altitost starving, and the feel.
ings, in the minds of, Irishmen from the pppressed-
State of Ireland for.near '3OO yearS: . But since:. the
event of the. Union, he was convince there'.was no
salvation for. either Country, but-to stand or fall
_together. The'ComMittee who had made their
,Repent, he ciinsidered to liave been egregiously. im.
Posed "Pon. He had beard Maidstone alvys men-
tioned as an instance of his incredulity, and those
with whinn hogenetally aeted; because they would'
tI • :eve the reports of -Plots, and join in the
its!' measures then proposed against them.—[Hs
`brf" entered. into a ,vindication of his evidence give?:
art O'Connor's Trial.]—But if the Country,, as
staled, detested Chose Jacohinical Ptinelples, and
4uhOrred those whO were so incredulous as lo the
nexCent of the Plots, surely then the state .of the
%•ountry was.. not such as to require such an arbi_
4"Y violation of, the Constitution as what'Was
rtv proposed. .He .suspected a' great deal of
olitical' Craft, as to those who furnished Illa-
1P.1413 -for the Reports of 'the Comntittee.'
.If •
104 Aft of Indemnity be passed, the innocent
r'ts°n would never be able to look forward to the
"'lt 'when. he could retrieve the injury done- him,
~\and the hardened spys'l:.ould never want proteaion.
71". Siti k t).l, then proCteded to treat what was
stated in the Report, of the intended insurreilion at
ennington; with ridicule, He acknowledged that
es%)
I tie and arbitrary 'Governments, if Wen Anti- •
tereal were in some resivas, preferable ; but he
..or, • •
skleted it as the' excellence of the British Con-
41hitiOn that 'these 10 vzintages Were sacrificed for
'the•_ sake pt.Generallice.edam.

Tie 47'7ORNEY GENF:R-414 said, he had no
4°Uht but that the cOmplaints of -the. Petitioners
'rout(' be found to be exaggerated and groundless,
,4t if not, the Law would still be open to them
after the Nil was:passed. 'He repudiated the in-
!)inuatiou that- the whole of, the Report was a mere
ludicrous affef—ttion of .seriousness, and declared,
he felt a conviel"ion, notwithstanding the verdieis of
that a foul treason h.;(1 been hatched. The
~ertliet of A jury screen the party accused.
12:91T1 punishrnent, •but still he considered himself
free to judge of the guilt or innocence of
e parties accused, after the' vertlia, as before.
rle venerated Liberty as much as the most zealous
P4trior, but he was always willing to make a tern-

twat* sacrifice a a -'paiit to Treteri e. the whiale
for ever: Belt the sacrifice was- notimaterisl ; it
was merely the.confinement of -a feW individuals as
the means of protetling the rest of the comthunity
from the horrors transaeled in. France. If we cam-
pared the roll~ of i'mprisonmenta onder .Roaas.
PIERRE; &c: for Doe week, and these,measnres of
ours, adopted for the security, of our cOmmerce,
the loyalty of our' Armies, and the good of the
whole, we should form the most striking contrast.
He believed there was not.one of these imprisoned
but what was implicated in some degree in treasonable
plots, and that such' detentions had been one means
of preserving the Empire during the most eventful
period of our history.. The Petitions'now read ap-
peared to him to be pregnant with the. same bitter
falsehoods asbad been lately witnessed in an attack
upon Aris in the Courts below. He Would ask, were
there no remains of French principles ih a.state of pre-
paration No Plans of Assassination ? System of
Atheism ? 'No attempts to corrupt the Virtue,of
our Sailors ? He was as .much attached to the House
of Hanover as any man; but he considered what the
Hon. Gentleman had said about the Jacobites; to be
a slander on that description of persons, when corn-
pared with the Jacobins of the present day. The
former were misguided men, but there was no destia
tution of moral principle, no treachery of Servants
against- Masteri, as had been atled upon in Frante.—
The Hon. Gentleman insinuated, that there was no
Jaeobinism in Ireland; but that the. discontents pro-
ceeded from other causes ;. but did not o'Costiaoa
hims4lf acknowledge, that these afiedged causes of
discontent were a mere blind; and that the real
objea was, that of dissevering Ireland from this
Country, and uniting it with France? He totally
objcded to. the Amendment.
Dr.. LAWRENCE reprobated what appeared to
him .the r principle 'of the Learned Gentleman, that
we had a right topraaise oppression, with a view
of preventing greater evils; such was the, system
that fostered the Revolution of France ; but the only
question was, whether these persons, if innocent,.
were to have any means of redress allowed them ?
This Bill appeared to him not only Unprecedented,
but, to be against all precedents. The former Bills were
an Amnestrtoiodividuals, but contained no vindi-
cation of Government for afting contrary to Law.
The danger from French principles was not near •so
great now as in 1793, and in those intervals of
time when.the Habeas Corpus Ad was not, susl'end.
ed. Even by the acknowledgmeht of
now,
French principles were, not
,so dangerous now, since
they had avowedly laboured after a connexion with
France, and, had stated their hopes of' such con.
flexion, which formerly they would hare coo-
-1 sidered ruinous to have done ; it was strange then,
when the danger was lessened, that, such measures
should be resorted to. As he believed none of the
persons arrested were without goad 'grounds of sus-
picion, be thought the better way would be to al-
low them, if they pleased, to bring their aftion§, and
tor-Ministers to put 'themselves on their defence,
and for the Country, the'Verdid of a Joey, to
decide in their favoUr.
Mr. ALEXANDER, in answer to- what Mr.
SF' Bain 6.t had. said'respeeliekr the catisei of the
went over the grounds and history
of that event ; and in answer to Dr. LAWRENCE he
remarked, that if those Who had been confined were
suffered, to bring forward Law•-suits„ it .would,tend
to revive the' spirit of a Party, and produce-dis.
cussions which had tritieh Letter be avoided. .
Mi.. S'n trigma and Dr. LAwaucE explained.
The Question was now loudly called for.
The House then divided—Against the Amend-
ment -49 z—ror ii247=—Majoriry 75.
Another division took place upon the .passing of
Ihe Bill, and the numbers' were for the Bill 85—
,
Against it 15--..MajOrity 70.
The Irish Tea 'Duty Bili was read 'a second
and ordered to be committed. to.morrove
The seeond reading of the irisit 'Ele6tion Bill' was
pui off till to-morrow.
The other Orders of the Day were then post.
poned, and at half past.two,d'elock. the:House ad.
journed till to-inorrow—(tbis day).

THE SUN.

SOLEM QUIS DICEKL Ynt SUM AUDI.% ?

LONDON, JUNE 12, SO.

TH E liar:burgh Mad clue on Wednesday last,
,arrived this m9rning, The agreeable situation of
our affairs in tjm North of Europe, leaves us no.
thing to expett from that quarter, and we there.
fore find no intelligence: from thence,

The advices from Egypt do not come down later
than the zad of Npril, the period to which the ac-
counts published ha the London' Gazette Extraor.
reach. A Letter from Prague, of the 27th
ult. states, that a Courier hadßassed through that
place from Vienna, with an account of the French in
Alexandria having offered to capitulate. The non-
arrival of any such intelligence in this Country is
sufficient to shewthat it is unfoundea. •
The tnovements of the FrCil,th Troops occasion
considentble sensation in the limpire. According
to an article from the Rituks of the Mein, the thief
Consul i$ reported to_ have declared that he will
suffer no interference of any Power in the arrange-
ments to be inniie in consequence iof the Peace
of Luneville. They have re-taken possession of
Cassel and, Ebraibrehstein. They have 'also en.
tered Dirirs, on the right bank of the Rhiue, oppo4
site Coiorte. , ' -

A suit of apartinents is fittjng up at S. rarnes's
Palace far .the residence of
,His Royal Highness
PRINCE ADULnIUIS.

An Order of Council was yesterday signed by
ihs MAI F. STY, for ,taking ofF.the Embargo, from
thi s,Ni:dish vessels in the porn of Cleat, Britain.

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Nll/ L .IV E S
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•

IV:in ;Ili
Sed mild sole dawn.

PO RTS UT If,' jtm2, tI.

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• .
. ARR. J El) the Forta;:et7 Frigate; Lord ANit,itts
BiAtrctEßK CoMmtmder, from a Crulz.e; and t
Corvdtte; with a Cizhi,oy ftom-the-Aowns:

Went out of Harbour) His Majesty's Ship Irivt.
tigalor.

The Printzen Danish East Intiarrarri this
morning attempted to get out of thella.bour to sail
for London, but she ran foul of a ship, which
obliged her tt, bring to.