The Sun.
London, England, 1837-10-21 00:00:00

IRELAND.

DUBLIN, OCT. 19.
LORD. CLONCURRY.—This patriotic Nobleman has
promptly responded to the call made upon him by Mr.
O'Connell on Thursday. It will be seen by the following
letter, which appears to-day in the Dublin Evening Post,
that the Noble Lord hesitates not to come forward and cor-
dially co-operate with Mr. O'Connell in the proposal of the
Liberator for a meeting of the Irish Members in Dublin.
Lord Cloncurry's hope of the practicability or benefit of the
proposed meeting,. is, he acknowledges, greatly diminished,
from causes which he states ; yet (he adds) " I feel it my
duty to attempt it, and for the first eight days in November
I shall attend in Dublin to confer with all Members of Par-
liament," &e. &e.
Dear O'Connell—My Irish Newspaper was purloined
yesterday, probably in the Post-office, or your letter should
have had the immediate answer its importance required.
I have always considered a meeting of the Irish Mem-
bers in Dublin, on their way to Parliament, most desirable
as a means of obtaining information, and establishing that
mutual understanding so necessary for the common good ;
and, in this most auspicious year, graced by the personifi-
cation of peace and loveliness, I did hope, laying aside all
party feeling, we should have calmly discussed the all-im-
portant measures of national improvement likely to be
brought before Parliament—poor-laws, reclamation of
wastes, railways, canals, and fisheries. As far as lay in my
power I should have avoided every subject likely to produce
angry discussion. I was fully satisfied with the exposure
of Kildare-place by itself; and with the triumph of na-
'tional education, by the instrumentality of the enemy.
I was satisfied by the pledge of the Duke of Welling-
ton, as to Corporation Reform, and felt certain that Mi-
nisters would obey their Royal Mistress, by extending
to us the full benefit of the laws and institutions of
Britain. I should have respectfully solicited confidential
communication with the different Commissioners of Poor
Law Inquiry, of Railroads, of Fisheries, of Shannon Im-
provement, Public Works, Education, and Police. Thus,
the Representatives of Ireland,in both Houses, would have
carried with them the information necessary for Legislators,
the facility of co-operation, a union of spirit, and the respect
of the people, who would entrust to them their expression
of love and duty to their Queen, their humble and justifiable
expectations, their wishes and their wants.

Such useful, friendly conference can hardly now be hoped
for. - The enemies of Ireland and of peace, in the fury of
despair, have infringed the law and braved their Sovereign,
in the vain hope to retard Legislation, and to withhold
justice—they have violated the Constitution, and, by in-
sult and violence, endeavoured to excite the bad passions of
the multitude.

This has greatly diminished my hope of the practicability
or benefit of the proposed meeting, but I feel it my duty to
attempt it, and, for the eight first days of November I shall
attend in Dublin, to confer with all Members of Parliament
and of Public Boards, and to receive such petitions for pre-
sentation as may be entrusted to me.

We have seen our countrymen, by their own energy and
determination, wrest from a corrupt and bigotted Legisla-
ture—from the old and unwilling Georges—the great por-
tion of their long withheld rights. Can we doubt that,
under present most happy auspices, the remainder will be
cheerfully and wisely granted, to the equal benefit of both
countries, and the eternal gratitude of ours? Delay is all
we have to fear ; but how mischievous is delay! Here bas
been the second city of the empire left for two years to the
mercy of the plunderer, merely to gratify the majority of the
Lords, by throwing out our Police Bill. Fortunately the
spoil has only extended to a few thousand pocket-handker-
chiefs ; but many honest and industrious men have been
beaten nearly to death, at mid-day, by drunken combina-
tory, in the public streets. The small amount of mischief
done, during this interregnum of civic law, is as credita-
ble to our distressed population, as shameful to the Peers.
The spoliation of Corporate property has been continued,
in like manner, to whip the Queen's Ministers on our
backs. The Magistrates of the county Dublin have now
weekly meetings to contrive a substitute for the City Police,
withdrawn from ten important stations—including Kings-
town, the Wapping of our city, thus curtailed of its propor-
tions to vex the Queen's Ministers. Much of this folly, I
am certain, proceeds from ignorance, which would be dimi-
nished by conference on the spot. I remember when a
Noble Peer objected to the sale of a Bishdp's house, lest it
should be desecrated by a Catholic purchaser. I asked if
it would be worse than selling it for a barrack, and was im-
mediately contradicted, as if I had said the impossible
thing. A visit to Dublin would prove such contradiction
to be undeserved.

Why does the Admiralty charge fifteen shillings for a
passage to Holyhead, sixty miles, and twelve to Liverpool,
one hundred and twenty ?

•
Why does my Irish paper cost postage, and my English
come free, one hundred times the distance? Why are the
letters of the poor charged double postage, until the half be
given back, let its importance be what it may ? Why can a
set of party Magistrates refuse a Petty Sessions to a large
town (Bray, for instance), and establish it at privacy in a
gate lodge ?
The manifold and most serious grievances to which our
people are subjected are unknown in England, or we would
have the support of all good men in Parliament, or out, for
their removal. Bribery, intimidation, the imperfections of
the Reform Bill, and the most indecent conduct of a large
portion of the Clergy, have for a moment suppressed the
good feeling and the good sense of the least informed of
the people ; but I have no doubt that that baneful in-
fluence will be speedily overcome, and that if we discuss
and determine on necessary measures in Dublin, and sub-
mit them to the consideration of the Legislature and of the
Government, they will be carried, and this, I earnestly
and most humbly submit to the Peers and Commoners of
Ireland of every party, who.value property and peace, and
wish for the prosperity and improvement of their country.
I have the honour to remain,
Your faithful, humble servant,

CLONCe

RRY.

STATE OF THE COUNTRY.
Among the list of crimes lately provided by the Orange
press was the murder alluded to in the following extract :
THE LATE MURDER NEAR ANTRIM.—The murder of
John Donnelly, on the 28th ultimo, near Antrim, is be-
lieved to have been perpetrated on account of religious
feeling—if we may so abuse the use of the word " reli-
gious?' Several circumstances, which it is unnecessary to
repeat, go to show this ; and entirely to disprove an allega-
tion, which has been made, that the murder originated :n
an attempt to rob. One of the persons concerned, in the
murder has been taken ; and the two others (for there
were three) have fled. The murdered man was a Roman
Catholic. The influential men in the neighbourhood have
not yet, we believe, come forward to offer any reward for
the apprehension or discovery of the murderers not yet ap-
prehended. Government has offered a reward of 501. ;
hut, we presume, so small a sum was offered withaut the
knowledge of the fact, that it was a case of waylaying and
murder. Some efforts should 'be made in this affair. It
will reflect very much discredit upon the gentlemen in the
neighbourhood, if they do not act differently from what they
appear to do. Party feeling is increasing very much in
that part of the country ; and no means should be omitted
which would tend to allay it.—Nortbern Whit,
So that this turns out, after all, to have been the murder
or a Roman Catholic ; and from the facts stated by our
Northern Contemporary, there appears strong grorata for
prlsuinption that it was an a cage v,sui der.
The Dub/in Evening Post makes the followi..ig observa-
tions in reference to the talk of the Time; about 111. r. J.
O'Dwyer :

" ORANGE GRIEVANCES AND Jg upw-TER,-yi had

intended to offer some observations on the subject, but the
pressure of local matter preclude us for the present. One
word, however : It seems that J. O'Dwyer is one of the ill-
used gentlemen. It is not stated by the Times that Mr.
J. O'Dwyer is a convert from Popery. It is not mentioned
that some of his family enjoy pensions. It is acknowledged,
indeed, that as assessor, he set aside his own decisions as
Registering Barrister ; but it is not stated by our London
Contemporary that he was a Registering Barrister under
Lord Anglesey's Administration, and an Assessor under
the AdMinistration of Lord Haddington. We do not say
that the circnmstances respectively had an influence on his
opinion. We content ourselves with stating the facts. But
we find it will be necessary to bestow more space upon the
subject than we can at present afford Co concede to the
merits of J. O'Dwyer and the comments of the Times."
DEFEAT OF TIIE HANOVERIANS.--The Dublin corpo-
rators are, after all, an ungrateful set of varlets. They
have chosen Mr. Ex-Sheriff Carolan an alderman of the
city, in preference to Mr. Ex-sheriff Bryan, at whose ex-
pense they haVe been eating and drinking during the last
twelvemonths. Never did the Hanoverians receive so
signal a defeat as on yesterday, when " Bryan the brave,"
the ambassador extraordinary to King Ernest, and, backed

as he was by the Right Hon. the Recorder, was compelled
to beat an inglorious retreat, and yield the palm of victory
to so obscure an individual as Mr. Carotan. The claim of
the ex-sheriff was grounded on the character which be has
earned for himself as a diplomatist. Mr. Shaw assured the
commons that his friend had done great things in Hanover,
and hinted that he was looked upon as "a wondrous proper
man" by the King and Queen, with both of whom he had
frequent intercourse, during his stay at the Hanoverian
Court. Notwithstanding all this, Mr. Bryan was defeated
by a majority of 42.—Freeman.

CARLOW.--VIGNOLES.- —We have not heard that
Captain Vignoles has disclaimed the infamous calumnies
against the Government uttered by his counsel. In not
contradicting, he has sanctioned them. The case now rests
with the Government. It must answer the question—
after having asserted itself with Verner will it be crushed
by Vignoles

We put the case on its real merits the very moment we
got a view of it through the report of the trial. It was ob-
vious. Either Mr. O'Connell made the speech reported of
him, now it is acknowledged, by Vignoles, or he did not.
If he did make the speech it should be known, and let him
abide by it. If he did not make the speech, then was
Vignoles a falsifier, and a violator of official duty. This
should be cleared up, for it involves, if it stood alone,
whether Vignoles is or is not a proper functionary.
Then was he persecuted, and by whom, in consequence of
that report ? His lawyer stated it—he has not contradicted
it. He should be made to deny or prove, or be dismissed as
a caluinnious and unworthy servant.
It seems he also became an associate and party with
vulgar Torn Watson, to insult a respectable Carlow Magis-
trate for the discharge of his duty.
We acquit vulgar Toni of any intention to provoke a
fight. We heard a monosyllable whispered in his ear at a
former Carlow election, which convinces us that no one will
blow TOM'S brains out but himself Therefore if the
Magistrate has taken Tom's measure as well as we have,
he will not swear he intended to commit a breach of the
peace. But Vignoles was a party with the man who so
acted. It was a breach of his duty, as pacificator, so to
be. He neglected his duty, when he permitted it unre-
proved in his presence. This also is subject for inquiry,
and another ground for dismissal. Indeed, from a stronger
treatment of Vignoles' case in the Government paper—the
last publication—than heretofore—we anticipate that some
vigorous step is meditated.—Pilot.

TUE POLICE.—The Mail again ventures to talk of the
police as " Swiss," because they are not permitted to be
gainekeepers, &c., to the squireehs. But, as we predicted,
it has not meet the proofs we gave of the wisdom of the
regulation of .Col. Kennedy as regarded that essential
thing, the discipline of the police and the protection of
the community at large.—lbid.
THE DIAMOND--ITS BLASPHEMOUS APPENDAGE.—
Our readers may wish to know the state of the butchery
toast, with its congenial appendage of vulgar blasphemy in
the Orange Club of Tralee. It stands thus :—Mr. Thomp-
son, originally accused, has denied he gave the toast.
Some Mr. Caulfield denied that he drank it. The Tory
newspapers applauded these denials as proofs that the club
was unspotted with the blasphemy. But when a Mr. Bate-
son—a stamp distributor under Government, is accused by
the Tralee Mercury—of having given it—his silence un-
der the imputation is applauded by the same papers as proper
spirit. So the case remains thus. Mr. Bateson stands as tll.
giver—Mr. Thompson as having pressed it rudely, and—
as we have it, now that it was not drank—it appears that
the proposer and seconder were crushed by the spirit of
Mr. Saunders and the military gentlemen present. So we
have at once vulgar blasphemy, timid shrinking, and mean
concealment. Be it among you, "blind harpers."--/bid.
MURDER OF GANLEY.—Two men named Byrne and
Peter Byrne, one a coal-porter and the other a corn-porter,
both residing in Moss-street, were arrested on suspicion of
being concerned in the murder of Ganley. Upon a strict
inquiry, it was found that they were in the neighbourhood
where the murder was committed on that evening. They
refused to answer any questions, or to give any account of
themselves. A large oak stick was found in their lodgings.
They were committed for further examination.