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own wrong—it was a Enaz.itn ofjeletiee. that the infiti‘ lat'een us ; 7 cure the House could not imagine.
a• hen wee st :tee; ety epinion as to the boundaries of
of one iujuiy should not etee•l getrt es , eeson for t ;e.
fiction of further and deep injuriee. It wee acknowledged Greece, after bee;ee n two years out of office, that I
that at the present moment a civil war was going on in wit t 2lt irC,l self to insure what were the senti.
Candia. Were they to have another T:cety of London meets of Russia or France.
fur the pacification of Candia, or was that devoted and Sir ROBERT Vy'll.SOret"—He wished to know wile-
unhappy island to he left exposed to the pouring forth of ther the Noble Lord (Lori] J. Ruesell) intended to Fees
the vials of Turkish wrath is all its inhuman and atrocious niei'leot.ion to a tits-lento ; bee:wee, if he did not, be (Sir
It.lWilsen) would not trouble the House with his opi-
barbarity ? There had been a talk of wintery ; they
must all, by this time, know pretty well what amnesty nions on the question in its present state. He also thought
meant, when translated into the languages of Spain, or that it would be unfair to press the matter to a division, a.
Portugal, or Turkey. In Turkey they had a pioverb that the pipers Were not before the House.—(Hear, hear.)
there were- three merciless things—Time, Fire, and the Lord J. RUSSELL—It was not his intention to divide
Sultan ; and if he knew anything of the history of Tor • t the House on the ntotion.
key, he would say there was little probability of that being The motion was then negatived without a division.
less true at the present than at any former period. Let The other Orders of the Day being disposed of, the
Candia remain in the hands of the Turks, and what pro- House adjourned at five minutes to Ten.
bahility was there that the Greeks would remain patient
under that yoke which their brethren had shaken off? and
even though they were disposed to do so, bow unlikely
that the Turks would allow themselves to remain with-
out a pretext for glutting that vengeance which the
other Greeks might defy. How then was England to
act ? Was she to keep an agent in Candia to pre-
serve the peace there between the Greeks and Turks in
that island? It was contended that to conquer Candia
would he contrary to the Treaty of London—but en
objection of that nature did not arise when the French
conquered the Morea, and when many similar acts
were done, in the course of the late struggle. Candia,
even in a maritime point of view, was eseentiel to the
safety of Greece—it was to Greece what Cuba was to
Mexico, and could ant he excluded Irom its territory
• without endangering the existence of the new State. Was
it possible for the Sovereign to stand by and see thousands
of his subjects slaughtered by the Turks, without inter-
ference ? and yet, should he interfere, the certain eonge-
quence would be a war with Turkey. In that event ling.
hnd would undoubtedly be brought into the contest ; or, if
both Eneland and the Sovereign of Greece refused to inter..
fere, the Greeks themselves would fly to the succour of
their brethren, and then of what advantage would it be
that the State was nominally at peace ?—( Hear, hear. )
There was another argument which he might mention, and
which perhaps had still more-force. It was not in the na-
ture of things that Candia•could long continue in the pos-
I of Turkey, fur it -was too rich a prize not to tempt
the surrounding States—(Hear)—and he would therefore
venture to predict that, if Candia was not united to Greece,
it would fall to our lot to be at war with some State or
other, in the course of a few years, on account of this very
Candia. They were told that the transactions were still
pending ; and, therefore, the papers and documents on the
subject were still withheld from the House ; but he did
not see that this ought to have any weight in stopping the
discussion of the present night; because they well knew
the strength that an expressed opinion of Parliament must
have on such a subject ; and he, therefore, trusted, that if
there were other gentlemen who had the same feeling on
the subject, and entertained the same opinion with himself,
they would give their support to the Motion of the Noble
Lord.—(Hear.)
Mr. PEEL—I am extremely sorry that when I stated
that his Majesty's Government had been able to execute
the Treaty in the spirit in which it had been conceived,
and even to carry it further, any one should suppose that

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I thereby intended to draw a contrast between the present
Government and the original framers of the Treaty.—
I said that we bad carried the Treaty further than Mr.
Canning, but that has been because events have arisen
which Mr. Canning was not able to foresee.—( Hear,
hear.)—But, Sir, I think I have a right to complain of
the manner in which my Noble Friend has called the at-
tention of the House to the subject ; he first addressed
some questions to me, and when they were answered, he
rose to found a statement upon 'them ; I therefore think
that I have a right to complain, because I certainly did not
conceive that these answers would form the groundwork
of the unpremeditated impromptu delivered by my Noble
Friend —(Hear, hear.)—What a situation am I placed
in by answering these questions —( Hear, hear.)—Was it
fair on such a ground to enter into the description of boun-
daries—was it proper to enter into the discussion of attach-
ing Candia to Greece? Can I in reply state and argue
upon all these circumstances of which the House is not yet
in possession? Can I enter into the reasons why,
because there has been a rebellion, not only Eng-
land, but all the other Powers have forced Turkey
to a submission, to which, under other circumstances,
they would nut have consented.—(hear, hear, hear.)—
But, Sir, even if my Noble Friend shall succeed in pro.
curing a majority for the Noble Lord's Motion, it will
still leave the Government unfettered as to Candia, for the
Noble Lord's Motion has nothing to do with that : and I
protest that I will not be drawn to enter into the discus-
sion by the course pursued, trusting the House will feel
the situation in which I am placed,—(hear, hear),—and
that the time has not yet arrived for that discussion. I
feel that I cannot in fairness enter into that discussion, and
I will not enter into it ; but I trust that the House will
not, from this resolution of mine, draw any unfair con-
clusion.—(Hear, hear.)—My Noble Friend has stated,
that if England would consent to enlarge the limits of
Greece, he was pretty sure that the other Powers who
have joined in the Treaty would not be opposed to such
extension. Certainly this is a statement which I did not
expect to hear from my Noble Friend. I do not, how-
ever, know in whose confidence he may be, or whom he
may undertake to represent in making that statemen', un-
less he comes to that conclusion from having been in office
at the time of the execution of the Treaty. This, how-
ever, at all events, I can state to-the House, that the most
perfect harmony on the question of boundaries exists be-
tween the contracting Powers.—(Hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON—Nothing that has fallen from
my Right Hon. Friend shall tempt me to deviate from
that temper which I believe is always most successful in
argument. My Right Hon. Friend has told the House
that he does not know whose representative I am. I will
tell him.—( Ilear hear.)—l stand here, humble as I am,
as one of the representatives of the people of England ;
and next, as the representative of my own opinions._.
(Hear, hear)—opiniona, Sir, which I will never shape to
suit the opinions of any other individual, let his situation
be what it may, either in this House, or out of this House.
I stand here as the representative of my own opinions, and
I think I can appeal to the recollection of my Right Hon.
Friend himself, to bear witness that those opinions have
not changed since I had the honour of acting with him. I
also stand here, I trust, as one of that body which repre-
sents, or which at least ought to be the maintainers of the
honour and interests of England ; and I can assure the
House that I shall never he deterred from that duty by any
taunts which my Right Hon. Friend may not think un-
worthy of himself, or by any taunts which may extract a
reluctant and unfrequent cheer from those who sit behind
the Treasury Bench.—(Hear, hear.)—Neither, Sir, will
I ever be deterred by any of those—l will not call them un-
fair—but by any of those skilful dexterities of debate, from
stating to the Mouse those opinions which I honestly
entertain on the public affairs of the country ; and little
shall I care whom these opinions may please or displease,
or what motive may be imputed to me for doing what I
most firmly believe to be my duty.-- (Hear, hear.)—
But my Right Hon. Friend has insinuated that I have
availed myself of information obtained while in office ; now
my belief is, that I have stated nothing which every man
who reads the newspapers of Europe, or who mixes in the
society of any country be may happen to be in, might not
have stated just as fully ; and if the Ministry think that
nothing of all this is known beyond the corner of Downing-
street, except that which they are pleased to communicate,
they are most grievously 'mistaken, for much more of the
political state of Greece ii known to the whole of Europe
than perhaps they would desire.—(Hear, hear.)—My
Right Hon. Friend has also been pleased to talk of my
unpremeditated impromptu. I can, however, assure him,
that when I entered the House, it was my intention to
confine myself to the question of the territorial limits of
Greece, and that I should not have said a syllable on any
other point, but for his own departure from a rule which
be entreated all others sacredly to ohserve.—(Hear.)
Mr. PEEL—I can assure my Noble Friend that I ad-
mit his perfect right to express his opinions, and to have
them considered expressly as his own ; and if 1 had ob-
jected to it I should have been justly subject to censure.—
But I was not speaking of opinions, but of facts. Nei-
ther did I impute to my Noble Friend any improper dis-
closure of the information he obtained while in office; all
that I stated was, that having made a speech, I was placed
under a disadvantage when my Noble Friend entered into
details. The fact to which I referred was this—that my
Noble Friend stated certain circumstances in a manner
which must have led those who heard him to suppose that
he spoke from authority, and that he was in possession of
the neociations between the Powers, thereby leading
those who heard him to conclude that England stood alone
on the question of limits, and that if she would waive her
objections on that head, there was reason to believe that
the other Powers would also waive theirs. For this rea-
son I thought it necessary to state that the three contract.
ing Powers were agreed upon this point, and that there
was no such want of harmony as my Noble Friend would
have made out. It was for these reasons that I made the
observationsand I beg to assure him, that in
making I did ;not in the least intend to impute to him
ng them
any improper disclosures.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord PALMERSON—I can assure my Right Hon.
Friend that nothing which may pass between him and na.
in this House will impair the friendship which exibte be •

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