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question. The resolution which had been placed on the
notice-book was for appointing permanent missionaries,
it was withdrawn, and the present one was for

preferring local missionaries.—(Hear, hear.) For the
appointment of either, a resolution came with a very bad
grace from Mr. Deegan, who no later than last Thursday
worked might and main to have rescinded a resolution
which went to allocate a small portion f the funds to the
agitation of the districts in the neighbourhood of Bir-
mingham.—( Hear, hear.) Then Mr. Dwyer opposed the
appointment of local missionaries, and he, Mr. Bussey
could not now think what it was that created such a sudden
change in his former expressed opinion.—( Hear, hear. )
Allusion having been made to the good effects of a local
agitation in Bradford, he could say for that place,
that its present perfect organization was owing to the
persevering efforts of a few individuals, who felt that
ardent love of liberty which carried them over every dif-
F,eulty.—(Hear, and much cheering.) He begged to
inform Dr. M'Douall, and Mr. O'Connor, that the people
of Bradford have employed Mr. Thornton, who is now so
effectually furthering the principles of the Charter in
Yorkshire, .at their own expense, and without appealing
to the Convention.—(Hear, hear.) As for voting them
money, he thought they ought to be as careful of
that as possible, especially as it was doubtful whether
they would not do better at present by giving their whole
energy to the presentation of the petition..—( Hear, hear.)
Ile would move the previous question. Seconded by Mr. J.
Taylor (as wasunderstood.)
Mr. Manntso was for appointing local missions in the
neighbourhood of Bath. For many miles round the peo-
ple were completely ignorant of the principles of the
Chatter, as were they also in Wiltshire and that district.
Ma. HARNEY would, in a few words, support Mr. Bussey's
amendment. He would agree so far with Mr. Deegan,
that if good could be done, it ought to be done; but he
was much afraid that if this resolution passed, that it
would convey to the people wrong impressions on what
was to be done in regard to ulterior measures,—( Hear. )
He did not like the name or the idea of it. As to its being
the means of organising the counties, they ought not to
deceive themselves—it would not have such an effact, as
the propie in general, with the exception of York-
shire and Lancashire, were in a state of apathy, from the
experience they had of being deceived so often.—( Hear.)
He did not think it required any knowledge to tell them their
duty, when the time came they would be found at their post.
( Hear.) They knew when they were hungry ; they knew
when they were naked; they knew when they were homeless.
Never mind their knowledge; when the fitting time came,
knowledge or no knowledge, they would be found doing
their duty.—(Cheers.)
Air. SKEVINGTON, while testifying to the good effects
which local agitation had in the neighbourhood of Lough-
borough, would say that it was necessary that it should he
extended to other places.—( Hear, hear.) If many of the
places which he knew got the assistance from the Conven-
tion which they claimed, they could be agitated to great
advantage.—(Hear, hear.) He could tell Mr. Harvey
that come of hir constituents, as he was in the habit of
designating tqem, had applied no later than this very day
for means to carry on their agitation.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROGERS would agree with Mr. Harney. It was
through the people's suflerings they would be aroused to
a proper sense of their injuries ; but it: was necessary that
the movement to which those injuries would dispose them,
should be simultaneous.—( Hear, hear.) Not understand-
ing this resolution perfectly, he would vote for the amend-
ment.—( Hear, hear. )

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Mr. Carne—Mr. Bussey may well talk of this being an
unnecessary motion, coming as he does from a district
which is agitated and organised in the most perfect
manner.—( Hear, hear.) But in a great many other
parts of England the state of the people, in regard
to polilical ',nowledge was desponding. In many places
there was not an Association within fifty miles of an-
other, and could any one stand up and say that this evil
ought not to be remedied. And how cculd it be remedied
beau- than by sending out proper instructors among the
people. He did think that the money of the people could
not be better expended than in this very praiseworthy ob-
ject.—( Hear.)
Mr. HOLLY and Mr. Haterwraa supported the motion.
Mr. PITKEITIILEY—The people of Yorkshire require
as much instruction as any other portion of the kingdom.
And although he was anxious for this question, he could not
see how they could entertain it. At this late period of the
sitting, all their exertions would be necessary to give full
effect to the petition against the day of presentation. With
regard to Mr. Mathews's case, there were circumstances
connected with it which took from it every thing that
would entitle it to form a precedent.—(Hear.) That
gentleman had spent a considerable sum out of his personal
property in spreading political information, and he did
not rsk that this money should he returned to him. It was
but right, then, that they should afford him the the means
of carrying out what he had so disinterestedly begun. He
would, as it was so near the 6th of May, oppose the reso-
lution, no matter how much lie assented to its utility,
Mr. NEESONI oppcsed the resolution.
Mr LOVETT was in favour of the appointment of a
Committee. It was necessary that the people should be
instructed. Could a better instance of having the feelings
of the people with you, and of its being quite useless
unless guided by knowledge be given, than the late affair at
Devizes? lie (Mr. Lovett) would insist that without
proper instruction the ulterior measures, which all acknow-
ledged would eventually occur, would be fruitless._--.( Hear.)
Mr. Rvosa proposed an amendment that the Chartists
through the country should go among the people and give
them every possible political instruction,
_ and that such per-
sons may obtain the assistance of the Convention when re-
quired, and that aCommittee be appointed to carry out the
amendment if passed.
Mr. MAssuEN seconded the amendment of Mr. Ryder.
A long and stormy discussion ensued, which ended in
Mr. Deegan's motion being carried by a majority of one,
upon which Mr. Lovett said that a Committee should be
appointed.
Dr. M'DOUALL begged to move a Committee of the
whole House to carry out the resolution.
Mr. NEESOM seconded Dr. M'Douall.
Mr. SEEVINGTON said this mode of proceeding showed
a factious disposition on the part of some of the Members.
He would move a Committee of Seven.
Mr. O'CoNNort seconded the appointment of the Com-
mittee. He did so because he thought the minority should
be bound by the majority—( Hear, 'hear.)
Dr. Al'Dottar.a, in explanation, said that he had no fac-
tious motives in moving that the whole House should he
formed into a Committee. He did so from seeing the
small majority which was had for the original resolution.
The resolution, appointing a Committe of seven, was
carried.