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the sum which will he wanted to defray the ExtreorOinary El-
- of the Army for the year 1825.
Mr. HU3IE was dceirous of knowing what bad been done with
the large sum of money which hell been voted last year to be paid
io tte Cape of Good Hope. Had Si. OW* *twist received it ? I
and it hereceiyed iR bow had ft bees opplled
Mr. W. HORTON slid, that Commissioners bad been appoint-
ed, who were examining into the mode dim application. As far as
the Horrrnitent were in possession of w hat had been clone, it had
bees properly disband.
hir. HUE directed the attention of the House to the Cape of
Good Nape; more particularly on account of the system of mis-
government /eloped there. Our Governor there was in every way
unfit and diaqualdied fur the situation. He had by the course he
adopted outraged the feelings of the people there—his administra-
sato had been productive of manifold evils—he acted with uppers-
tioll towards the press. and his whole course was calculated to prove
his *Mime* for that situation.
Mr. W. HORTON begged to call to the recollection of the
Honourable Member that inquiry wet at present prosecuting there
by the Commissioners to whom he before alluded—their Report
bed net yet appeared. It was but fair for the Hon. Gentle-
man to postpone his judgment until he had the whole evidence
before him. The statements that had been made to him were
all erparte statements, and did not form a ground of accusation.
The Hoe. Member on a former night bad stated that many
persons who considered themselves aggrieved were treated with
indifference and contempt by the Colonial Department. Now be
defied the Hon. blentbar to state a single instance in which
due sod prompt attention had not been made to every complain:
that had been preferred by any individual at the Culocial Office.
Mr. lILTME was ready to repeat what had fallen from him on a
former night. Ile had said it was an outrage on the feelings of the
populatiou of that country to mantle in the Government of it a
p riots who had proved himself so unfit fur the situation as Lord
Charles Somerset. Ills continuance there was at variance with the
expressed opinions, the wistes, and the interests of that popula-
tion. He spoke from statements which had been made to him.
sod 03 which he had reason to rely. As to the treatment which
tvu.pLlicacts had met with at the Colonial Office, there was the
the instance of a publisher of a newspaper, who had since been per-
mitted. to return, but bed not, be believed, been remunerated for
the hardships which had been unjustly and cruelly inflicted upon
him.
Mr. W. GORTON did not deem it necessary to reply to the ge-
neeal censure of the Hon. Member; if he would SUM a specific
case, he would undertake to meet it.
Mr. RUM E objected to the item of 4,4001. for the island of
Mauritius. We were given to understand that the Colonial Re-
venue of that island would be sufficient to defray the expenditure
of our establishment thcre. He was desirous to know when this
charge would he likely to cease.
31r. W. HORTON could not undertake to say precisely when
it would cease. The Commissioners, who were now at the Cape of
Hood Hope, would proceed thence to the Mauritius, and from
their Report the Committee might know when that period was
likely to arrive. It was but justice to the Governor of the blauri.
ties to say, that he made every exertion to diminish the expendi-
tom, and that he even anticipated the Government in many respects
from the real and anxiety he evinced to do so.
Mr. HUME objected to the item of a charge for the private se.
eretary of the Governor of Bermuda. The private secretaries of
ether Governors had none, and he saw no reason why an exception
should be made in favour of one.
Mr. W. HORTON said, that the salary of the Governor of that
island was so small that he could not afford to pay a secretary ;
besides. it 'was necessary in this instance, and, as it was necessary,
so the reason that made it so was immaterial.
Mr. 11U3IE wee desirous of noticing the omission of the return
of the Custom duties of Newfoundland. If they had them, they
rrdght then perceive the amount of these Customs, and see bow far
they fell short of the expenditure of the colony.
Mr. W. HORTON said that hitherto the Customs had been
trawsfereed to the Consolidated Customs of this country. It was the
inter:don in future to apply them to meet the local expenditure
of the colony.
Mr. HUME next adverteilahe a charge of 4,0001. for certain in-
spectors and militia-men in the island of Jersey and Guernsey.
There were revenues accruing in this island which were given to
General &Telford and others, who had no right to them, and who
shil no service in return. These revenues ought to defray the
charges of these inspector% and ether persons who were utterly use-
less and gave no valuable services for the salaries they received.
Resides if the charge were a necessary one it ought to come on regu-
larly in the Army Estimates.
Lord P.tLMERSTON said, that the charge could not be in-
troduced into the regular Army Estimates. Some of the service,
to which this money was applied were for the hire of vessels, the
repairof ships, &c—charges which were unconnected with the Army
Estimates, and which it was his duty to submit to the House.
On the question being put that 27,6301. be granted for the pay.
meat of the Officers of the Houses of Lords and Commons, during
the year 1025,
Mr. IlUblE observed, that this sum was 6.11001. above that which
had been required for similar services last year.
31r. BERRIES replied, that the augmentation was required in
coosequence of increased duties.
A sum of 16,5721. was voted to defray other expenses connected
with both Houses of Parliament, and in reply to 3lr. Homo,
Mr. HERRIES observed, that several alterations made in those
bteldinge rendered such an expense necessary.
The next vote was a sum of 93,11791. to make good the deficiency
of the Fee Fund in the offices of the Secretaries of State for the
Home, Colonial, and Foreign Departments, and the Treasury.
On the vote for 6,2001. for the payment of Commissioners en-
gaged in the Inquiry into the state of the Revenue in Ireland, and
in sometforts of Great Britain.
31r. UNIE inquired respecting the progress these Commis-
Wailers ad made, and the probable duration of their inquiries.
Mr. WALLACE was of course unable to say how long the
business of this Commission would continue ; but it was his earnest
with that their labours should be brought to a conclusion with all
practicable expedition.
One or two other ite.ns were then passed without observation ;
after which,
Mr. IW3IE rose for the purpose of calling the attention of the
House to the imperfect and complex manner in which several im-
portant departments of the Public Ac.ounts were kept. They
should be kept by the simple debtor and creditor mode, so as to
show at a glance how the financial affairs of the country stood.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that it was
infinitely easier to discover defects in an ancient system than to
tarry into operation an adequate remedy. Anomalies he should
rather call then than defects. However antiquated the system was
by which the Accounts adverted to by the lion. Gentleman were
kept, perhaps in use two or three centuries, yet he would be averse
rorn pulling down a venerrble structure before he was fully satis-
fied as to the merit of the improvements thus proposed to be made.
lfe zoomed the House, however, that he had the subject much in
his consideration, and therefore, with the assistance of those in
his department, he looked forward to considerable improvements.
After the Resolution granting a sum of 16,7401. fur the payment
of Commissioners, and other Officers belonging to the Insolvent
liehtois' Count, the question was put upon a Resolution, granting
20,0001. for the Penitentiary at Millbink : upon which,
A 3lember, whose name we could not learn, tose to require in-
formation respecting that establishment, and made sonic observa-
tions relative to the prevalence of ague therein.
Mr. PEEL observed, that the Select Committee which had been
appointed last Session could not conclude its labours without in-
quiring into the circumstances of that establishment. The ague,
1 e said, was not owing to the site, for, by judicious changes in the
economy of that Institution, the experiment of again inhabiting it
was tried with such eueems, that no case of that disease occurred.
(ht the former occesien, the severity of the season, and perhaps the
nature of the food, had considerable influence in bridging on the
disease. Since then, material alteration has been made tr. the diet,
and favourable results have ensued.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH inquired how long the convicts had
been placed in that prison.
:dr. PEEL replied that they were there about four months.
The question was then put on the above Resolution, and carried.
On the grant of 12.2541. for allowances to certain individuals of
site French nation who had rendered services to Great Britain dur-
ing the late war,
Jar. HI/31E inquired if there would be any attempt made to re-
move this expense.
tu The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that the
sums in question were paid for special services rendered to this
country • and although they were French Royalists, yet they could
neve nothing to expect from their own Government, however strong
their claims might be upon ours.
Mr. HUM.; again rose, and expressed h;s opinion that the
/loyal FoniklyN of Franco ought to per these individuals.
The CHACELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that if
the French Government were called to make these payments, they
might inquire wlint had Leen done with the ships taken by us dur-
mg the war, and which have since been used. The settlement of
each an endless account was one of the question.
Mr. HUME contended that it ought to be settled. If any ship
remain they ought to be tenoned.
The question was then 'put and carried on a sum of 18,1301. tot
the purpose shove stated.
.4 Resolution to grant 3,0001. for the National Vaccine Este-
hflishmera teas next proposed.
Mr. PICEfa tin reply, as was understood, to inquiries from Mr.
Hume, which were not suditle in the Gallery) said, that if lie did
not think the sum propoeeil absolutely necessary, he should be far
ft im supporting the vote. The advantages derived from this esta-
blishment were fully commensurate with the expense. The pre-
juitee against vaccination was strong and extensive, and it was ne.
ceseary to a successful resistance of that prejudice that there should
1- in the metropolis a number of the most eminent medical
men
_in correspondence upon this important subject with the
moseflistart parts of our possessions. These distinguished pro-
f-ssional per 0: s give their attendance weekly, and it was not to
be ouestioried that arch individuals should receive adequate remu.
iteration Could two go Incas a-day for attendance be conoitlered suffi-
cient for such a man as Ste H. Ile ford ? Were we to expect that such
services would be given gratuitously, or ovttltt the public to sever
them upon such terms ? Ile thought that all public services ought
to Ise fully paid for. Nit Henry Helfand expressed a wish to hint
(?sir. Peel) to be relieved front the duty in queerion, in consequence
of thelnadevate remureration ; but he felt bound to say, that
as the public or the. Government had no ``articular claim upon
Sir Henry, he ought, and be *Would be suffieiently compensated.
The fact was, very considerable prejudice existed in the remote
dietrlicts of the kingdom against the aystent of vaccination, and it
was accessary that throe erronecue notions Amid be counteracted,
which could be best effected by its going forth to the public that
hone but professional Mee of Mincers were etgthectea with the
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