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dust it seasinlisoisitile 'The till Ntilild
soon, whether it would not be more twitilanient 'dutl!
the discussion should be lwltfiteotard.
Mr. Scatturrc said, nothing could he more die-
' areenble.to him thaw to appear Ao.prelii any this..g
.against his 'lion. Friend's cronieniene„.. He owed,
bmwelliti the hands of the 'House ; if it were•their
pleasure he would go ftn.—(Cris) Of "'no ix,
go OM !") •
Mr. CALDRAFT said, if it were the yleasure of
the House he was prepared to go oas.—((Cies of
" No. no!")
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thotight it was
extremely desirable 'be measure should bethortassedl
though he was not so sastv.nite as to suppose the
Bill could be passed this Session.
Mr. CALCRATT then proceeded. He "said the
opinions he had expreswd a few nights ago remain-
ed unshaken by airy thing he had girlie heard; he
confewed that he could not see any growd fur the
House to paw any one of the proloporteim of his
Hosi. and Learned Friend. He thought the nsis-
chiefs, inconveniences, and burdens of the poor
Isles had been considerably exaggerated. He did
not think lightly of those !mulct's, but thought
they were not all attribotable to any clisnge of
character. to any wool of good conduct no the
part of the poor. He professed himselfu friend to an
unrestricted assessment for their support. His Hon.
and Leartied Friend'. measure tended to cut that
up. His first proposition declared. that no greater
sum than was collected lost yearshoold hereafter be
collected, hot his Huu. and Learned Friend had
since modified that by other propositioos, which if
they could be acted upon would entirely do away
that issa.rinsent from which he seemed to expect so
much. His next tiropooition was, that under no

circumstances pertons able to work shall receive.
parochial relief. He conceived it went Ise that ex-
tent.—[" Not so." from Mr. Scarlett.]—lt was
only then a penalty nit those who might marry after
the passing of this Act. Would nay person
advocate this who knew the fluctuating state
•of employment. particularly in our tuanufacturs
iug districts, where at one time there was shoed.
aace of employment, but in a few mouths, by the
caprices of fashion or other circuunlislices those
very persons who had been so employed, with every
honest and industrious disposition to labour, might
fall into a situation not merely to be notable to
maintain their families, but even themselves. Us,.
tier such circumstances the proposition of his I-lon.
and Learned Friend led to one of two things, either
starvation or intestine confusion. It was impossi-
ble there could be nay other result. His Learned
Friend's third proposition was to do away with the
law of settlement. He follows up his other pro.
positions by laying, where the poor reside, there
they shall be fixed in the town benefited by their
labour. as if Manchester or Liverpool alone were
enriched by their industry and not the whole
country ; but here again modifications had
been introduced. which. in the opinion of those
ow whom they were to operate, would give rise
to such • degree of litigation that it would be
impossible to carry them into effect. The poor
were by the modification introduced to continue to
belong to the places where they at pretreat were, bat to re-
ceive relief from the plate at their last settlers/Rat. He eau-
leaded that no deterioration of character appeared I. our
labouring poor, but that they aright stand a comparison'
with the same class of renews et nos penes of war history,
and he defied any man to prove any of the numerous as-
sertions to the contrary, which he considered as libels on
the poor of this country. His Honourable Friend also
objected to .the Pour Laws, that they impeded the free
circulation of labour; but the rusgregatios if the la.
borers in large towels refuted that idea. If the relief
were iirdiscriminately applied, that must be the fault of the
Magistracy. He complains also that the Pour Laws tend to
'smudge improvident marriages, and that has led to excess
of population, which was Gee of the grievances we were
wow labouring under • bat there were other circumelances
which might have prschseed an excess of population ; the
demand fur melt during the war, the high price of maaufac-
taring labour at some period., and various other edge%
were folly equal to account for the Jammer I. our pop..
latioa. He thought the resew if all others the most im-
proper, when there was a greeter siaguatior of labour than
had been known he this country fur Emmy years. As he had
before observed, he thought the burden of the poor's rates
were much overrated, sad is fact a pest proportion (and
not too much to say minim's) of the wages of agri-
eulturat labour were drawn from the poor's rate..
He must attribute a proportion of the poor's rates to the
pressure of taxation. If they were compared with what
they were sixty years ago, it would be foetid the pour's rates
had not incormed in the same proportion as the nalioaal
debt, as taxation, or eves as the rental of the kingdoms,
which last he thought the fairest standard by which to com-
pare it. He regretted that his Hosoarehte and Learned
Friend had sot thought of making that species of pro.
perty, which ought to bear the borders as mach as
the laud, available to those burdens. It was known that the
Judges had declared the property to which he alluded was
liable to the rates, though there was a difficulty in the amide
of levy, which, as the law stood, was insuperable. He
thought it • great omission in the Rill that it proposed so
remedy for the defective Mete of the law. He referred
to their Journals its the year 1759, for the Meatiest pee.
diction which were now again uttered of the &sew-
lion of property iii land, by- being overrate with poor,
with as little resume now as the*. The peelsb of
Waol-
ridge, in Salop, was said in a Report of cemassaittee to be
honk' down by poor; but be forted is writing to the clergy.
man that the assesament, which for three melbas previous
to the Report was at the rate of 2,1001. a year, was in last
year reduced to 6051. A similar instance also occurred la
his own neighbourhood. and be was satisfied that where
the law was strictly mdministered a great reduction might be
effected in the ammo of the rates. He was satisfied there
would sot be found fifty sea in that House who thought the
measure ought to pass in its present shape.—{year.)—
Persons talked as if the poor did nothing to help themselves;
but, he fact, is Leicester, out of 17,0001. collected fur the
poor within a few mouths, so less than 9,8061. was raised by
the poor themselves. The consideration that it would be a
dead letter lessened his desire to add much to what be had
said, but he hoped that when the diseussitra was come to at
a Amore Seasieni, the subject would be takes up in a more
mooprebeasive manner; and is his opinioa, if it were seder
the ordeal of a Coaseitttee it would be more satisfactory.
Mr. MANSFIELD bad great satisfactioo is cosilirming
what had fallen Irma the Hon. Oestlentan as to what took
place in Leicestr r, arid be thought that fact alone a com-
plete contradict:mu to those who time& the spirit of the
pour was altogether gone. He was enavineed there was no
foundatioa for that opinion, or that there was soy deteriora-
tion of their principles. He was • Magistrate at the time of
the greatest distress, sad be felt cuovinced from the propriety
of conduct which they then displayed, that the assertions
against them were outwit. AA that
.appeared to Ire the
fusnadation of the Bill be amok' •PPror it.
Mr. LOCKHART said, that his 11041. sad [Awned Friend
had said the poor were demoralised; all he had said
was, that the Idiot as had that Mildewy. Under some inedi.
destsoas he should Ire ready to give the 11.11 his rapport.
Mr. BERNAL curial owl agree with either the preeeshde
or the enactments of this Bill, 'which he dolts* stingether
tad geaemil.' He materiel' that the searbriant wet altoge-
ther eneeeresary,'and it *as Maki eciatradicted by • subs,.
gaga; diammg of the Bill, which &gloried of the rani beiag in-
creased loader eircumblamak• three ammo 4 that is, la ease of

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in'', other nOlookeil fur cause. He ob-
jected to the choose which prohibited relief to those lA9 voil/b1
hereafter pate]. ljent M was% premium fur vice. It would not
Parfet Out
_p•risif Pyle beim immolated Wimilimate
chiyires. use •11.00 • • Offal alterations a Or; ppor
Mikan, he'llsolititt the HIF
Hum. Gentienssos might 40 baS/111 leaked
to other ionisers; he 'ought to have asked for • Ciansinittee
t• estislder of the laws relating to artisans, which prehibitedl
Alston res. Oasis abroad, sod carrylug their lamer to the
best market. He was beiswi 1m have recommesided the re-
pet! of every prohibitive or restrictive stemma before he had
hysteght forward this bill. ,
Mr. F. LEWIS agreed with the Hoe. sad Lamed Gem.
111•11• Ir in the principles of the Bill, but be was sorry he
—net approve of the providing' of it. The amount of
the peer rates did put depend w liar or tosotiou—(floor,
Agetr)—foe the poor laws did sot exist is Scotlawd or lie.
laud, although both countries were taxed. rse pest
rates, by the lam returns, anisunted to eight gailliowe.
He would ask haw it was m he limited, and how it was to
be paid. whim rents and tithes had fallen so low , its their
value, as out to be able to meet the rate, when they.vaw Hie
rate in 17 years multiplied from one to sixty? lu. his opi-
nion there was swathing to be deb; except by exphasullide er
alteration of the law; at the sense time he ohjeet.d IP the
provisions of the Rill, which Went to 'ive the peeper • set-
dement every where, without desigisallitig what ought So "I"
title him to it ; fur which reason be would sot give his smit-
port to the measure.
IS, T. COURTENAY rose to address the House--
Sir R. WILSON sieved that the debate should be ad-
journed mail to-morrow, as it would not be doing justice to
a question of such importance to contisue 'the discussion
ou tat such a late hour of the sight.
Mr. NOLAN aseosded the swims. .
Mr. XCA It L err said, he meld have iio object ion to the pree;
pomitiois of the Hen. sad gallant Geserell, as it was his wish
and interest the, the subject should be fully discussed.
The further debate was Lien adjourned until to-morrow
(this day).

The tarn Average Bill was committed, and after some
objections made to it by Mr. 'F. Politer, the Herrn was
ordered to be hroneht up on Friday nest.
Mr. FIUME gave notice, that he would, on Monday next,
bring before the House the subject of the expenditure of the
oduntry, and move an Address to ►is Majesty, that he would
he graciously pleased to reduce the military establishment of
the cosetry.
THE TREATMENT OF HORSES BILL

Mr. ELLIS limited that this Bill be read a third time this
day three mooths.
After a few olmervations fro. Mr. RICHARD MARTIN,
be eoneentsd to postpone it to Moodily west.
The House them proceeded to the other embers a( the day.
GRANT TO THE DUKE OF CLARENCE.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Intoned op
the Bill to make provisioo for the Duke of Clarence, and
moved tbst it be read a first time.

Mr. BENNETT said, he should rot consent that it he
read at all, and mewed that the Horse be trusted, whew it
appeared there were rot 40 Members present.
The Hoene adjourned seernliogly at H A LE.PAbT ONE
O'CLOCK this monliag.

MINORITY
Oo Mr. Hulcliinsoo's Notice. rq►obating Me Priociplee of
the Holy Alliance, Jese 110.

Abereromby, Ms.!. Hadiesamd, W. Oreboos, Lord
Atka, J. 11. Hume, J. Palmier, C. F.
Brawn, His. H. G. Hoolywo..d, W. P. Ran, T. S.
Bari, Lord James, W. Scariest, J.
Birch, J. . Maerboaald, J. Sylt. a, U.
Carter J. Disbar'', J. W beebread, W.
catersii, J. Moberly, W. L Whitbread, S. C.
DOINII•4001, Pia. Mania, J. TWAIIMI.
Penedos; Lord Moore A. Hatehiaara, Hos.
Griditb, J. W. Meta, T. B. C. H.
Harbor{ Boa. Z. Urd, W. Willmr, Ira. R.

EAST INDIA HOUSE.
Yesterday a General Court of Proprietors was held at the
East India House. The Chairmen look the chair et twelve
o'clock. The minutes of the last Cosa were reed. same
accuses, received, sad tither routine hosilleardislimied uf.
Mr. Hums the. asked, whether the pewees of 4401; •'
year, greased to Coined Gillespie fur 34 yeas. service make
the Company, was iedepeodest of his military allowances ?
The CHAIRMAN laid, it was indepesident of Colonel Gil-
lespie's half pay.
Mr. Hums doubted whether, under the 5341 George 111.
military me* were entitled to such pensions.
The CHAIRMAA said, as • military mats Colonel Gillespie
had but his lialf.pay uf Lieutenart ; as to the legal point he
profesred himself incompetent to offer a• opinion, and re-
quested the Hue. Proprietor would let the matter stated over
for • short time.
The CHAIRMAN thee declared • dividend on East India
Stock, from 11th Jaaeary last to loth July.oext, of hi per cent.
The automats then stated that he hod. waived a leiter
from she Right Honourable George Cauniag, whieh, with
the peronismo of the Court, should now be read. The letter
was read accordingly.
Gloressler Lodge, btA April,lB2l.
SIR-1 have to Meek you for your communication to roe,
coeveyieg • copy of the resublime of the Court of Directors, ,
agreed to yesterday by the Court of Proprietors, u• the sub-
ject of the leiter communicated to me un she 24.1 December
last. I impost but feet highly Mattered and gratified by the
concurrence of t►e Court of Proprietors in the opiuios ex-
pressed by the Court of Directors, and request you will take
an opporteuity of leaking known M the Court of Proprie-
tors my grateful sense of this ealeeked-for coeldeave and
kiedemni.

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" I have the Moose to be, lie.
(Slued) " GEOKGE CANNING."
Ail addressed to the Chairman of the Court of Direciors
of the East India Cumpaay. . _ .

The Report of the benisaittee of By-laws was then read,
and on the motion of the Chairman the Bylaw, cap. It,
sect. I. sod Bylaw, cap. 1, sect.', relative to the comedy of
the comma seal of the Company, sad the period of asaktog
up the balance of the general anew' account, were repealed,
and others passed in their plate.
The CINIALIAMAII proposed Richard Twining, Esq. to he
one of the Committee of Bylaws for the year main, in
place of fir Jobs Bate Walsh, mielied.
The lion. Devours KINNAIRD thought, that on this oc-
casion the ptomain°s ought to have brew made by some
one of the Proprietors sot in the Direction, and migrated
that Mr. Hume would have been a same peculiarly desirable
to have been mentioned fur the vacancy.
Mr. Lows:sea concurred is opinion with the preceding
speaker, as to the eligibility of the Hon. Proprietor (Mr.
Hume) to be a member of the Committee of By laws..
Mr. R. Jamison eulogised the manner in which the anti.
nations had hitherto bees made by the Directors, though he
conceived the right of proposing at II was in the general body
of Proprietors, 'heaver they shoal! think fit to exert it. •
Mr. Home, to save the time of the Court, declared his
inability, from tither engagomeats, to attend if he were •
elected. . . .
After a few observations from the CHAIRMAN the question
was put, and Richard Twining Rol. was declared duly '
elected—ad that Geottesaaa rearmed thesis for the he...,
dose him, and declared I • ofpayieg every atlas-
ties in kis papa to the 4
11. siteibilou.
The Cowart**. mieeetiag I Dilleepies 91111.11,
sow could is
the H Proprietor some roe...
*imolai which might mai" yr the legality of tko
ao:ew
pension. . .t. .8 t• . .
A teller. was read by the lityeetaty, which stated Celemel,
Gallespie's services. He led served 19 years and soma
months in the depot at haw, mid 1d years aid Dime wriatita •
with the wry in !edits mid was 69 years of lige. ib. UPI .
of his allowances was 401. on two-thirds of which he bad
raked._

Mr. Hums asked wader what eireaaartaares the Cowl hod
greeted a pension 0f11461. to Mr. Manus Galling, after a
wavier et 0611, 14 years!
To Cuthukur said, It was fa coasideralitet of the Wakes
slate of his trade
TM Um Dimmislinswie, ailvetting to 1,440,11101.

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