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lirttus were ?be intention of the oath, why had it
bet .beet so. reseed ? He would 'leave it to
any One to deteseine if it could hare been the
intention of the Legislature to leave it to those for
usth aim proposed to put their own in..
tirPietetiea wpun• it, meaning. Rs respected the
probity of the 'Catholic body-.-it had been sof&
ei ofillik-iitkPlttkv7 ;j be *law.
refused ta the Oailrof Supremacy, and their
reluctance would tie so much stranger in propor.

ez.OferigitiflN ii„left, .the ,Co44*.ts,detto.
yam Ti3O im.el Pt& he had sworn,.er what be
ha4os4 swim. , He, did not, understood on what
PriopPle they...coild demand greater secudlies
frog 111. alisOas of., the Chai-ch .of • England
thafs,.traffi. totholics. The Protestant had
to stem he did not believe the Pope
awl or might to have any power .or joriadsc.
two, whataseva; the Catholic would only have tosmear that tb, Pope had no jurisdiction except in
matters a religions belief. His Lordship
thsrp.tul•ok at what took place at the time
be4A come to tke throne. Catholic' were allowed to
and soldiers, bet the State would, not
laqa of their geniis, rust the Parliament. He begged
lbw alao,to remember the various plots and ctrafw,
1411Plitli !wise so bracpsentlY batched. lied hp.
ni 90 t 4 by_ tholics, between ,that time and.the.l
reign ,o! 111. Lot OF*. remember. RM.'
puresaceley svbich the Tee; and, *Corporation Ads
had been permed._ in one of which, by way of cads;
oolemo compact between the King end
the people on behalf of the Protestant religion, the.,
deelerattoo against transubstantiation had bait
intratinced. That oath and . declaration her
•be takeit by their King not. twelve month.
egst,..,and by envy Member of the Parliament;
auci that they might not. want a weighty memento
to remind them .of all the dangers through which
tbc pinta had been .conducted, he would, besides
snentiooing the form of prayer daily pronounced in
that floo,se, observe that them laws were declared to
--1 and fandamentaloy _ shape and form
IS. intended to last
berme fixed m.
of Tuleraiiow
let the Pro.
take the oath
4 by this to
,et of Con.
4040 it threat-
s interested by
repeal the Test
next to the Bill
indeed Magna Charm,
• bessubjected to
-4 Rights, no
to establish
satioo to the
the Union of
itual power of
was a difference
establishment, ed.

. the adrassaion
professing obedience to: feel
ditch establiehinent hod not
teas since The Reeflotion. Them wee.
not one Single claims is the, Bill to eusct the
vstiblisliment of a Catholic Church ; and yet
they .were going to admit ,the existence of such
a chorch,, which. was. denied. an . existence in
a •cooatty, where there wet a Protestant. King
reigiungt arid 111, the estaldishments, were Prete*.
taptsTbe *et. of ,Seotch !lesion 'had continued
for_.• century without interription. The Irish
Act of Union 'had scarcely. passed when alterations
•weit..attempted. Much reference bad been:made
• to* British: Act of 1793. If the Hnase would
look back to prei•joos Acts of Parliament. so the
-Ist/tend 14th Geo. 111, for instance, they wookl find
that Catholics at that time scrupled to take the Oalb
-of Allegumet,And would pot secure 4dglity,t, the
lElectress.'Sophia. In Abe Act of 93.Geoript
there waists osth.prescribed for Catholics, by abiels
they were to swear that they would, not exercise
any privi/eges to which they were entitled, mu as to
&orb and weaken the Protestant Government
and the Protestant religion of this kingdom., He
had seen a cop, of this.stetnte, published aye
thulic ; the comMeutary which wee added transited,
that ell were agreW ip this;—that to violate the-oath
it nes necemitsy,to disturb mid weaken notunly the
.Protestant Government ".hot the Protestant
• gioo, which littler parts of the sentence were. also,
counecterkii)sy . the adjunct sod, The ingenious.
commentator insisted upon it that. by the insmtioa
of and for or in these two tostaoces,. it woe necessary;
to•offend spinet each &emirate depsosslence of the
whole plumage before the legal of could be com-
mitted. Hin lerdehip. proceeded to she that in
all the enactments (wbich..he eournerated)
qiesitly to that which he had last mentioned, which
gave relief to Catholic% securities had been taken
• against the 'influence of certain exercises of the.
ceremonies of the Catholic religion. He then pro-
ceeded. to comment Upon the technical framing of
the Bill, which, ie it was in* his mind contrary tb
• the. Spirit of all our legislation since the Revolu-
tion, so also it was miscalculated to give satisfactory
relief to the Catholic, or peace and security to the
Piotestant mind. Ile ridiculed the idea of
forcing this Bill of Cuncessiou on the Catho-
lics,: whotever their dispmition to
.receive
He compared this project with that of the militia
eerjesot to Ireland, who followed a man with a cat-
o'-inue.:tails, to force him to become a volunteer.
He criticised the probable application of the Bill.
as it respected thesiduaission of Catholics to offices
of State. 114 Lordihip mode some further remark.
on the excellence of the Protestant system, and ou
the danger of encouraging the Catholics (in sup-
port of which he quoted the opinions of Hsrdwicke,
Locke, and others,) He concluded by opposing
the motion.
'Clut Bishop of Nowwtcn explained stone pen.
sage in his -speech of last night, but in so low o:
tuns, that we regret we were not able to collect, his
•bservations.
Lord Geeevtl.t.a spoke at considerable length
in support of the second
.reading of the Bill. He
comsneuced by stating, thit there was something
in tt'e Vest question which occupied the attention
of the House, that immediatedly called to his re-
collectien all ••

hick the question had been introduced to their
bffthhip!'_ stoke by. the nal sad wirsetitatice of

individuals, strongly impressed with the beneficial
results that must occur if their opinions prevailed;

memger... sided and supported by. the wisdoms,
the .talents, and the virtues of those illustrious
Statesmen, now no more, who so often and so ably
advocited this measure. It came, however, be-
fore their Lordships in a widely different form now.
They were not called upon to consider it from any
affectims. or rensenihrance of their memories, nor
from any conviction, however well founded it might
be, of their ability to decide upon any question
that world tend to the benefit of their country. It
Leamigliefore them stamped with the recommendation
of .the other House of Parliament.—(Hear.)—
It came in this shape, after a long, mature, and
calm deliberation, which had been conducted
with that temper, moderation, end wisdom, which
must. have given the highest satisfaction. They
tell yes the happy hoer is now arrived, when you •
may. safely -*move year Catholic fellow-subjects
from Allot degraded ,and. heatilisting condition by
whirls they have been so. long end so unjustly ex-
cluded from the • pale of the Constitution.—
(Hear, hose.)—Were. their • Lordships then pre-
pared to sob that when such a measure as this
was brought forward with such strong claims to
their consideration, they would refuse to entertain
it, refuse to debate the principle,or to enter intanny
discussion of the claims ? He did hope that Noble
Lords would ant have met the Bill in this Messner.
It were stated that it wrs not advisable to admit
foot miltione of people to the advatitsge•of the
laws, and the possession of their rights; thee there
might be some reason to conclude at once
going into the Bill. If it could be slew* dun the
admission of the Catholics to the blessings of the
Constitution was iii any way repugnant to the spirit
of thst constitution. theft might they refuse to go
into details, and decide that the measure in any
shape was not worth the consideration of the House;
although he must say that there are few occasions,
if any, aria matter of great and universal concerti,
-which involves the interests of the whole empire.and

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the fundamental principles of the constitution, that
the. Howie has a right to refuse to enter into its dm-
eussiou. But to this instauce be was quite at a
logs to conceive on what principle of respect, as far
as relates to the other House--on what principle of
*nom, ,is far as relates In the interests of the
whole empire—or ors what principle of justice, as
tact*, the individuals deluded, their Lordships
could declore that they would not give the quertiaat
. their consideration; and if he could agree with his
, Noble and Learned Friend . (the Lord Chancellor)
with respect to his verbal criticisms on various
classes, or even on the total omission a row of these
elate/Tele:ill the coselesion be alscusld, coma to ***4o Up
that t shertdd read that Bill a second time, is order to
come to thole conch...lone wilieh would be to the geweral
satisfaction. Ho shield feel it his deity to depart from the
examiastirea of she tusauds which the .N..ble and Liaised
Lord had thiassitit fit to lalistrince, and .to take a mare
enlarged view of the questing. In. every thlug that
Noble Lord had said of the inseparable principles of the
Church aril Stets, he most heartily 'concurred; is every
thing he .said of his attachment to the established religion,
as bring she purest Chards, bet& in doctrine amid discipline,
iii the Gluiatiaa world, he fully agreed; is &decided pre-
ference fur that Church so what be considered the error,' of
die Chtierb of Rome, no man was move eteadfast ; of the
. Ilk-amity to support and uphold that religion as inseparable
from the Civil Government ,f the (vestry, no man entire-
ttiosd . mete decided epistles"' sod art man would be
more . anxious to suite • oarlr olio head every - heart
sad soul of every man who owes allegiaure to his Majesty.
But does the experience of fruitier time give us any hopes of
the' possibility of effecting this object? it had been un-
- ' ppily.the mistaken policy of this country to eudeavour '
sreelty, oppression, and confiscation, to promote this*.
' 5 et. Of the sucrose of this experiesear, it wee aot mutes. 4.1.
wary to enter into any account. At length it has beta tracer.
tallied that nothing was more likely to produce a pat,
Iraq effect thee persecution. The Noble Lord has stated
• that the matter should .be left in the same manner it
• was, by William ; that we should sot chalice one sire&
iota of the. principles established al the lievoletioa, awl
yet in almost the same breath he said the matter
siurold be left precisely as it now statute. To whir* of these
principles thee were we so adhere? There is 'mu 'man who
moot out know that the principles of the times to which
that Noble Lord had alluded are diametrically opposite to
the polity which, happily fur ibis country, has bete pur-
sued for the last fifty years. .From the rrieu ul El/eds.-6,
the first attempt was made to compel the Catholic' of Ire
lend to profit the same religh.ns opinions at the people of
England, and there has bee. • loot succession of Acts of
Parliameat passed in Irelend to aggravate sing severity. Tbs.
Noble Lord who introduced this measure bad entered into sides rl
tail of the consequences of this system of persecution. to thrt,
course of one centnry the &monist of confiscation in Ireland
amounted to 700,000 ache. This tins more than covered
• the whole **awry, but as had. been stetted, the manlier of
accounting/Ur it was, thus the land had, hero coati d
two or three times over. •It eras lot hes 'rue to rake up too
ashes of fire long extinguished, nor justify by a parotid the
cruelties that were inflicted on one aisle or the other. Every
good man must wish to see fir ever tbrgones Iliose grievous
calamities, which ma oily be remembered with detestation
and althorrestee.--(Merws)-wAt length a system of laws wee
Introduced is Ireland, having fur their professed object-
the removal from the Casbohics of the little property they.
had remaining. He should endeavour to point out she cow '
sequesters of these taws; awl In enter to *his, be simnel/-
quote no -opinion. of a mow-owebjert losable witness, Deals '•
Swill.--(The Noble Lord theirreed some passages from this'
celebrated writer.)-0-we Joel, up., liar papists here..
mere women and childreoi their lauds having been taken,
from them' and they are rendered incapable of porchasieg
mere. Thsoe persons are the devieedants of the Wreaker,
possessors of the soil, and see deprived -or the lend poireened
by their saereters ; and men if theyeheotil, by any GOMA. •
ragemest he induced to porrleose teed., .by the lade laws ,'
agaiust Popery they are disabled from so Agog, so •
that the little that remains most crumble away. The eneee.
quest, of this is, that the mot • considerah'e of them
have turned Protestants, and sassy more are likely ro•'
follow their example.." Their Lordships mast naturally
wonder to ere ibis publicly unites of any country, and still
more to hear that it hes been acted os. The continuo people
have been len without leaders, nerd that is the system acted
epos at the preemie day. The writer goes us to state, that by
these mesas " the people were left without leaden, without
discipline, aid would be deprived of 'their natural earrate."
Hash, inconsiderate.man ! to suppose that the people of Ire.
land could, under any circuinsteurces, hardships, cruelties, or
privatitne, ever hole one spark of their natural courage.—
( Hear, Asar.)—" Therefore, under those circumstances, with-
out leaders, tinhorn discipline, and without courage, it Is
geuerally suppeeed they will be readered incapable of -
.. - . _
at 'hat -
expect
This

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theft was malt hustle( . of !reload
thing but ••
weight gle . , it was
chugs ttG4szteem, the Id=
- into of Ilas Copan brow open
to tbo pursuits airl
to OAS mi . loth = intro= the.
, and ameiluesee lb, of the Pro*, ' if
_le
were ones admitted, that the groat UN= of the ropey '
1 of -irekintel were, hen their rall.ffitir SPitelesoS: heavier '
him of discharging dm duty ofi kg* ell set., I, what
eseselseion would Ms imelsoeholy sidensest lead its? GM
it comes to this, that all ws ha= bee.
mei dein was.
,'J
tbattliii court...toes granted to the Catholics ware
downy made; that we must sow , ret ear siepo, ''.
is
agate twin them bark into that tosdielos hi whielblffiWy
would be incapable of doing saischieL The Nohloieuld
Learsied Lord bad made an attest= to a furious Nip&
that 01111110 ed to create great alarm is his mind. But Is iss
sot this Bill that dashed open the dark door of the
holm y . We are not sow to consider whether this is
to b. let free, but whether honor boos lot loose, we ea rim
duce hi= to his original dispassion& sad contue him
spits in his cave. The mesoest the Bill of ITIG IMO.
tamed, when the first concessive was made, tiro the seise
chief was done. The Great Seal woe removed, and liberty
was jives to Ireland, she was restored from her present story
of oppression, sod has been progressively improving until'
she arrived at her present state of wealth and power sae
CONlMPreilli prospenty, which is the pride and glory of the
Legislature of mode= limes. Much had been done by for-
mer laws; let us mliar do what still remains to be dose.
These is • pripciple is our lairs, thst Ike moment tte slave
touches the emit of Britain, that moseest be ceases to be a
slave, that moment he is admissible to the protection of tha
Constitution. I'be Aet of 1793 was the moat incongruities
and inenoventeut that could' be imagined; fur solely it
cannot be • prtseipia Pf our Constitution, or indeed of say
other, to degrade only the higher cheery, from whom you
expect all the advisably. of society. And are they to be
IM oily persons who are marked nut •s Gt objects for
degradation, oppression, and insult ?-4 Hear, Itear.).—
Istleed in a constitutime which threw open its arms to every
maw, it was diffieult to select any for esclusiou, for pains-
not withhold from*** man what you give to another without
a pins and direct violation of the Government and
Constitution of the country. iVithost going into the
abstract principle of universal right, he would say that
eve= man has ' • cones= right.—r, Hoar, Asar.)—And
bookies at It practically, will any mss illy that the system
soma= at present in Ireland, of keeping the higher dames
of society is a mate ofjealostsy and distrust, is ant fraught
with the most pernicious coosequeimee? What was demised-
eil by the present Bill was sot an inaowation, it was se
new siesintire, it was the completion of that which has bees
soling on for the apace of forty years. The House was
Hers called spas to take one declines step, and era'•.
from their stslute.bsoks the disgraces% =mama of the..
odious laws, which mast ever , roinusisr as. a main on this
eoustry.—( Hear )—Hr begged their Lordship. to I=== be-
fore they told the Roman Cotholics they were incapable of
falfilliag their allegiance to their Sovereign. Nothing could
be more cajun this to attribute to •uses (visite= which
they sever 1te1d...-which were merely dedwird from tensioning,
This has been do -grimed of all peroeutrws fur religious opi.
Moos. The Noble Lord next cams to the question of secs.
rives, which he considered necessary to satisfy certain pre-
judices, but if there were any other securities necessary than
the character of the Catholic. thesnolves sufficient security
would be found in that Bill.—(flecer.)2-But if there 'were
no
securities at all, so highly importast did he ecomider the
present measure, that if it tame from the. Comm... is
that shape he should give it hie sopport.—(Heor, hear.)—
The Commons have decided that it is not only safe, but
. expedient to allow Catholics seats in their House, and *mild
the House of Lords refuse seals to six of their own Member.
who bad lILN hereditary right, some • more alleititli *tit one
• less certain than say Noble Lord in that illoodr.lie-(floww.)
The Noble Lord thee alluded to the i•feneoss coempirsey of
Taos °afro, and the death of Lord Stralford, and conclodid
with an earnest appeal to the Howes 11l soppurt the measure.
—owe regret exceedingly our limits do sot pet mit us Se glee
his Lordship's speech at the length we should wish I
' The Earl of LtiraitPo9l, roes said said, .he so p.•
posed that he had heard every thing-titat could he
urged in favour of the Bill, and he agreed with the Noble
Lords who supported the measure, that it came in • sew
feature, its having the approbation of the other House of
Paellitenent, and he gave that all its doe weight ; at the same
time it would sot overbalance hit objections to the measure,
as it was a Bill to retitle all penes. professing the Roman
Catholic rrligicut to be eligible to bold the chief sires of
the State. His opinion was, that the Members of his Ma.
jest?* Conseil should continue as they weer, formed of per.
=us belonging to the Established Chirch. He was willing
to give the ClttilOliell every privilege as it regarded propel t 7
evo4pllloool.l rights, with the exception of their being the ad.
elm= of that Throne. He differed from the general priacipl,s
of
`the Noble Baron (Grenville), fur thry hail not • founds-
lies to stand us—although apparently good in theory, they
i- werlddites lost is practice. It was not for bim to give any de-
, ebled 71:ionoss whet eaght or ought not to be granted to
tie Ca ie., but be would Dever agree that they should bare
any thing beyond toleration, which allowed them to ourship
the Almighty in their own way, and to follow their avocations
' undisturbed, without mixing in the affairs of the State.—be
would give them every thing bat political power. His opi-
Pius as this subject was not mixed with bigotry, or the
misdoing. of Catholics is former times—is was an opinion
not formed on his frllow-aubjecis of that religion, but un
what he considered Ike welfare of the State. lie bad the ho-
nour of knowit.g men of that religion whose characters were
without blemish, and whore talents and abilities were equal
to say of their fellow-men—but that was sot a reason that
the State should be endangered by Catholic advisers. If
the 811 l did not pas. he was of opinion the Catholic pops-,
latiois of Ireland would be most useful to the empire in
the same degree that the Scotch had peewid themselves
after the Union. If the Bill passed there word,' be an cud
to the Established Church in Ireland. He merely tOnclerd on
this 'object before he proceeded to discuss the merits of the
Bill, which formed two important features. There slight be
those who thought that the Established Church, as forming
a part of the Constitution, was an evil. If it was so the
Bilious their Lordship.' table was correct ; if It was Deem-
vary, after the country had flourished for centuries tinder
the present Comoitittion of Church and State he was of
opinion if they were separated there was an eta to the Con.
stitution. For iustince, if the Bill passed in its present
show would the Mona. Catholics be satisfied ? They
6 waled not; and . she mitt thing they would require
I world be the reposl of the Corporation Act; and if that
was granted, Seem, Quakers, dm. sad every sect would
ronslder themselves tiredly entitled. And what would it
tined to ? that no pennon. would pay tithes except to the
clutch they belonged to. It was hardly necessary for him to
isfewsa their Lordship, that this was the doctrine of Priestley,
p whiellthe promulgated amongst the religious sect hr presided
over. Theo, he would ask if these concessions were made
Is the Catholics, would soy one of their Lordships belie.. •
, shiy would be satisfied, and rest nn the boon granted to tb. at•
" -i-Wasnalld not be; frir as long at they paid their priest they
i grouligiNsiehri withdraw their tithes to the Established deaf&
`'As die not attach Manse if they did so ; for It was natured
that ors strongly =goat= in a religion should son like
le pay the heads of another church which they were taught
li ws Wier, But this mined his argument, for if they weakened
die piswerof the flatablished Church they oho did• that of ihe
. Cases, fur they +Neese intermixed that to attempt to divide
use from the other, the name of the Constitution woo Id only •
remaim for which reams. he thought they had better stop
where they were than make as immoral ion ou the Constitutioa.
Hr bad no objection to toleration in its moil liberal view as
beg as it did not touch the Established Chinch and the
Crowp, who were the pillar. of the Constitution. The ergs.
meat, that the property of Ireland was is the luesdastthe
Protestants, mid there was ao danger from the /rap a+
bring Catholics, was easily answered, that hermit=
pulatlon might overcome the property. He, as an indiv
' was sosiviseed if the Bill passed into a law there was as

1 awe OM prorate if, for if I did i must W 8.•"
Wu them no consideration, no complaceacy to be NSW to
hem who preluded above all ethers is the State—pas he the
only penes with the Lord Chancellor that less to be bound
down to rentals Protestants to preside over Catholic sub.
jerk? In his opinion it would be better 10 leave the Ceder.
lie church alone, and also not to disturb the Established
Church. It bad been said that the Bill was one of imams
and favour to the Cittiolicr; but mew was it received by
that body?--it was rejected by their Clergy ; therefore, the
more be considered the measure, the more he saw the dan-
ger:edit to both Church cad State, and he was eosviweed that
the population of. Ireland would nut be bettered by it.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN said, that be could con-
seientiously vote for the Bill, not only on account of the re•
lief that it would give the Catholics, but es a immure is
support of the State, for the country had arrived to that
state, that nothing bat its members being united could mei
it; when he used that expression, be begged to be ender.
stood that when evety Otis of men were on au equality ie
the country, they would go hind in hand in preserving tP.•
constitution. He agreed with the Noble Earl (Liverpovi),
that it was their duty to preserve the Established Chorea iu
Ireland, which would nut be pat io jeopardy, a. the Erman
Catholics were ready to take the oaths to protect that
clutech•--(ffeerr, hear, Aserr)—on condition they, might
attend their own place of worship without bring liable
to penalties. He would not as; that time passing
of the Bill would pat an end to the deplorable atrocities of
the lower part of the peasantry of Ireland, hut it ovoid be
the leader to it. Was it then fur the Noble Earl to say
that it would not be of advantage to that class of the people
of Ireland ? Forsooth, would the Noble EMI send out to
the world that they oat; sat to legislate on the Aristocracy
of the country? He requested their Lordships to look to
the Bill of Rights, and if they slid, they would Sod if the me-
ant Bill was carried into a law, it would eel interfere with it.
His Lordship happily ridiculed the importance which had
bee. gives to the Oates' plot, which be attributed to the
feelings rather than the judgment of the great men of those
times. Is proof of this he quoted the opinion of the en-
lightened King William, whom name had become a shield
for the practides of the most intolerant bigotry, as it was
found in an excellent paper prepared by Lord Somers and
presented at the meeting or Congress of Rjawitt, in which
kis Majesty declared, that with the Protestant succession
daily secured, he thought it quite possible, as it might he
rspedient, to relax the severities of the exclusive sys.
ten, and that the Catholic., according to their good
behaviour, might be admitted to many privileges and
immunities from which they bad been excluded by
the measures of the Reformation and Revolution.—
His Lordship next controverted the fendameetal cha-
racter of the exclusive rode, by ref erring to the procoediox•
of the House on the passing of as Act in the Irian of
Queen Anse, fur enabliogCommisaiosers to exercise the Royal
fasetioss.—[ibis iras the ca.e which to • more summary way
Mr. Plaskett referred tie in bringing the Bill into the other
House.]—He maintained then that the merit of making the.*
exclusive laws fundamental must rest with those who held
the opinion that they were essential to the constitution. He
ridiculed the dread expressed is the debate of the reclama-
tion of property which bad been forfeited under the Penal
Statutes. He happened to possess a coexiderable quantity of
that sort of property; he was as anxious fur the preservation
of it as any of their Lordships. There was nut the differenee
of • day's purcheee between such property and au; eater. He
did not Mask it likely that the Catholic Men mid Corsenrom
era, if admitted to Parliament, would begin to reciansommil
themselves by propene" measures which would certainly
strip them of whatever landed property they might at
present possess. •In Roemer to the arguments of danger
which bad bees urged, be believed that there never was it
measure of importance carried is that House is which
similar predictions had not been plentifully prommeted.
He quoted the opinion of Doctor Hooper, at the time
of the Union with Scotland, who prophesied that the
mixture of Presbyterian Senators sit% those of tbe Eng-
lish Establishment, would lead, like the fenneetation of
strong spirits Ia a vessel, to dreadful explosion. It was
remarked by others, that as the Catholic religion had a ne-
lora, tendency to ossiniale itself %rib tyrainiy, so Presbyte.
rianisin would certainly tend to republicanism and de.
onocrecy. The experience of • century had disproved
both the axiom and the prophecy; for never had the breath
of calumny breathed a suspicion that the Scotch No-
bleat's, sitting in that House, bad ever eutertaised
republiCa. views hostile to the establishments of the State.
At the same period, however, it was maintained in the ilcol-
tish Parliament that the English Bishops would forego all
their temporal and spiritual esres, and mete to put down
the
,Presbytmisn Religion. This as well as the other
prophecy had failed; for Of'M bad there bees so little of those
petty disputes to which difference of religion was able to
give rise, as since the two parties had their interests consoli-
dated in Parliament. Though his Lordship believed that '
the Tears expreesed os the present question would prove as
visionary a any that bad gone before, he was glad to hear
them expressed. He was convinced that the waters which
forced ilseinselves up from all kinds of sources iatu this
debate would lose much of their colour, would deposit
much of the sediment which caused their bitterness. He
was coovieeed that as erroneous opinions ought to be rem-
tented, they could out be represeoled sad undergo the effects
of debate without losing much of their fallacy and
Chief. His Lordship recommended the provisions of the
Bill as the best means fur increasing the strength and secu-
rity of the empire; and after many other various and i•te-
resting observations, concluded by giving his strung support
to the motion.
Lord SIDMOUTH, in • speech of some length, opposed
thri'motion.

Lord MELVILLE supported the motion: he eras Seemly
persuaded that although matters might go on well for a
time, still either ibis or some other nietsure must ultimately
be earned; and there was nothing to his mind of more uni-
versal Importance than to introduce its Inland • system of
conciliation, which would place the peasaatry of that coun-
try on • footing, in point of intellect aid respect fur the
laws, with them of England.
Lord ASHBURTON was quite at • lose to know what
apprehensions could be entertained tram admitting the Ro-
man Catholics to the enjoyment of their civil rights. He
could not discover say thing iu the tenets of the Catholic
religion se dangerous to the State, no more than in the phi.
losophical inquiries of Sir Joseph Banks or Sir Ilaimpltrp
Davy, who were members of several foreign societies. Or,,
the same priuciple might they consider • Noble Duke tape
site (Wellington) • da•gereus man, because he had received
the Mower* of knighthood fur his continental el& es,—
(A laugh.)—Now suppose a Bill were istrodoeed and'proded
through Parliament, ordaining that no Baron lily se agota
began with an A should he capable of enjoying tr.,e favours
of the Crown, would it be very usreasouable te: him, how-
ever moderate his ambition, to consider it a ye 'Jr great bard.
ship on hint With as much justice are the 'saws imputed un
the Roman Catholics, for which reseals he should give the
measure his support.—( hear.)
Lord SOMERS said that in supporting the measure for
the relief of the Roman he did loot conceive be
was acting in oppositiust to the principles of his great am
rector, or Ike illustrious men who lived at that period.
The measures then Mimed were merely intended to be tern.
porary, and consequently have been changed by circularise-
oes. He concluded by saying that the measure should have
his must decided support.
Strangers were Dieu ordered to withdraw for a divisioa.
The numbers were—
Contents 72
Proxies
—l4O
Non-Costents
Proxies
—lB9

Maio' it! against the second reading of the Bill.. 211
The House THREE (""'

Ike adjoureed al

REE

eonesel against the Petitloot for a Reform in die Sewltisfr
Burghs.—Refereed to the Cutnntit tee on Scottish Bargbo.
Mr. ABERCROM BY presented • Petition from the
Chartered Company of Meer:haste of Edinburgh, relative to
the Smith,' Barth Systemr—Rtferred to the Committee.
IMPROVEMENTS IN WESTMINSTBR.
Mr. W. SMITH obtained leave to bring In a Bill to amend
the Act of the 4011sGen. ill. reladng to improvermittalwike
vicinity of Westuoisater-H all, sad the ewe Howie. of Par-
liament.
The bill was then brought in, read a first time, maws.
defied to be read a second limbo morrow..
!ICH PATER GAOL.
He, H. CLIVE laid on the lafide a copy of the marmot
of arrest of Charles Hill, a prisoner outlined is Ikbemer
Gaol.
!MALL DEBTS.
' Mr. F. CAMPBELL moved for a return of wit eaten,
entered for same not est-ceiling Isl. in the ditiatire
England sod Wales, for the last ICS years, statiog suds at
' were brought to trial.—Ordered.

Sir H. PARNELL moved fur returns of the prodere
Of the duties pad on Wier', Spirit', Tobaccos and Sug-d,
laspaelead lute Ireland for the last ten yeers.-...Oplated.
NW C. GRANT obtaiwed leave to bring i • 111,11 In
motrod The 411th of Geo. 111. for resulatine the Pidies (Mots
In trebled; also, 11w 10th Gee. 111. relating to Primus in
Ireland.
The Assessed Taxes Act passed through Ilse tronatattirrii•
sia did also the Irish Court of Chancery Bill, nod the teals
Courts of Justice Bill, nod were severally orlsooll•to be
reported temorrow.
POLICE OF THE METROPOI..IS.
The House having resolved itself into a Cu. audio ee oat the
Metropolis Police Acts—
Mr. H. CLIVE messed, as • Resoletiee, t bat the Chair-
men be instruct&l to ask leave to bring in a Bill to alter
and amend the Acts regulating the Police of robe Metropolis.
One object which he had in view was, the trerauval of the
Shiloh/ell Police unite to Mary.le-bone, arhe re It was marls
snore need. it, owing to the increase of the Moldings and
population in that neielitiourhoewl.
Mr. H. G. BENNEIT mid; he should no it object to the
alteration suggest d by the Right Hon Gen Orman, but he
must say that a great deal more ought to beldame. The
system of the high and petty constables also old be entirely
amended, and great alterations should be mac k hs the licens-
ing system; of the necessity of which chaos. rano mars, whe
read the evidence in the Report of the Poll( 3IP Committee •
few years bark, conld have the smallest do ink. On a for.
weer occasion he succeeded i• carrying Ihrus list that House
• Bah having fur its object a reform of the t treat pernicious,
fells of thepreaeut eytrm, but he was sorry I o say that there
mare in other quarters tenons who were • learnt at the
Mee of reform of any kind, and they effect vela* rvjettim
Of his Bill in another place, he believed a it but even the-
lannality of a reading; so important, hot veer, was this.
Sober t that he world not be induced to Ore it ups Mt
Mould, in she course of the proposed 'stasis rue submit saw
tainliiiioNll to the consideration of the Hear e.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR *aril, be was gait t sit • muck
better police might he established car nat a less expense;.
bet he was coarieced that eves, the best system of paw
that could be adopted would be rendered i adtScrent wahrek
a thorough ref arm were previously effected i • all the prisobilk
or the metropolis.
Mr. 11. CI.IVE said, he was fully sew riLk of the
pertance of the points touched on by the lion. Mernhtes;',
and he should feel happy to have the benefi, : d their sada&
once in any regulations which they might a :link proper Is.
propose.
The Resolution was then agreed to, an d reported, Mall
leave glern to bring hi the Bill.
BRITISH MUSEUM.
Mr BANK ES presented a Petit too from tie Trusters of
the British Museum, praying fora further geed to enable
them to Isiah the buthliNgs ordered by Perlis cient.--Ordered,
to be printed.
A Person from the British Museum preset' lad Missaments-
of the application of the former grant, wit ban estimate of
the biter* sapeuses, which was ordered to Is. e printed.
REFORM PETITIONS.
Sr G. ROBINSON presented a Petitiop from certain
habitants of the Town of Northampton, e isie4.:orinieg of the
pressure of taxation, and of improvident !expeaddrese,
praying for a Iteformof the Parliamentar fitepsesees•ic„ es
Ns only means through which au effector' J reined% et.llebe
Wised fur.
Lord EBRINGTON presented a sin filar Petition from.
OW Tuwo and Neighbourhood of TaVill. j, k.
Sir T. D. ACLA ND presented a Pet lifun eigeed hpikseo.
. Freeholders and Inhabitants of the Cc• terry of Deem, am-
• platen of the border of taxation, • 'bleb they cnisajdored
as the main cause of all the (testy eft. which pfeeeliet;
threughout the kingdom, and prayir g 'for a raetreeelenent
Heatless expenditure, no ireenomi ec s segoieties of the
Milection of the public resume, • tel for etviogeiry lute-the
Male of the represeatation, with a view
• Botch • rational system of Refer
swwineeenhtiasrydisßeeenfoton,from,:ii.dbetior uopeicilairtunes
hoiesi t
y restore the House
air Common* to the confide
.ace of a free kiyal, sod co_
1e the adoption of
• lightened people. He was 'Awry to direr 1 • opinion From so
Mlle and respectable • p' -riion of his C mstitaents as lbe
Petitioners, bet feelin; as he did, it was his duty openly to-
. tbe prayer of ileAr Pelitkon. lb:robin:ll4799N( concur
Lord EIIR,"4„,C;rON exr.re.ed hit cot coneerrence to
spa prayer of tee Petitier,, A. much ml teepeeseseitionhail:.
se abroad on the airPlaject of the meelii 3g at which the I'r-
ion
ebse badrq bstieseeu ag:"' hone Al upon, he would state,that ho his
Own was convinced that eertlog wireattend-
twli
MI tinet less n 1,204 pe,soes, and t .%6100 of hisWetabi.
That WV. not certainly In num emus a sweettog as
IlimmoillasOaesty of Devsni usually w fee; Mt it ought lo•
be reeseeebaripd that it was net held r ni the day ardiaardo
Sid 0/..seusty meetings. which was Fri shy, the twerbet-day,,
Irby* Ike town was generally full of yeomanry and tor
lookie!r., colleeted from all parts of the pivots On their arch-
aic', Issisinesp.
a. T. D. ACLAND explained, that on the Rides, which
•MO old is the register course have been the day hoed for the
'meting alluded to, an execution we a to take phice,and
Ilbeteferre the Sheriff bad thought it pr slier to ix a different
day.
Lard J. RUSSELL presented • Per diem signed by many
respectable Freeholders of the Dessows' S of Plymeath. The
right of 'siting is that Borough had fo wnerly bee* exercised
by the Freeholders and Freemen, but a ►&WMe reties basins_
been made ill 11461, the Committee a 'pointed to 'examine
the return reported that she right st ► ralecttea lay only in
the Freirene• of she Borough. By th L decriers dieelection
of Members for the Borough was th main Into the hands of
the Corporation. In the reign of Chr ilea li, the number of
voters was 300, at prevent it was oat y 290; at the forme
period the number of inhabitants we ► may 8,000, and 1101/
it amounted to 24,000; to chat in r troportio• as the popu-
lation increased, the actual number a a` suffrages diminished.
They prayed for an inquiry into the at ale of the Reprearo a.
lints generally, with a view to a Refo we, sod deer Petro
had his warmest support.
The same Noble Lord then preaen ltd a Petition from
lain Freeholders of the County of H antinsdon, lentos
the Queen might be moored to the Gill possession of
rights, dignities, sad privileges ; a sd fur a Reform in
hament.

Colonel JOHNSTON presented a Petition, preying
Parli►mentary Reform, from the lul •bilants of the &mown
of Boston.
A Member, whom name we could not learn, said, nilthoueb
he was a decided friend to Reform, yet he did rent Hindi lb.
present time favourable for the mg' tattoo of the quest,
nod he deprecated the conduct of II woe who were coati.
ally putting forth plans of Reform without any considera-
tion of, or reference so, their pruclit ability.
Mr. LAMBTON disclaimed the imputation thrown .
by t►e Hoe. Member, and assured him and the Horse gear-
rally that in bringing forward t he motion which he my
about desire
time bops
f many '
intention

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beifsegatiol and fendsmentai.and in shat,
were expressly .described es being, intro
for Aver,. When King Williankbecausi
the throseslretrely soon passed to Act of
to the Dias/Meal -; bat in that very Ac
teenage Dissenters were required to talk
ageinst transobetantiation„ lie.s wished.
shell' that they could not .pass this Ac
-craws), as it had. been celled, (I troafb
en 44, to. pat the whole of the perties nil
the.esra),, ,nulesit they would elm repel
-an
tp
Corporatists Acts, He came next
lof , 41p., This dill, and indeed Meg
•miji if Abe. Ntlimpeat choose it, best
-illigAtipau bat se contended the Bill of
iees- .thaa the Act of Settlentent, went 1
OM Protestant principles of the Constits
-wxClitiims 4 all others., Then came the
-ScOdossyl, where, to be sure, the spirits
the ICl:ng was denied. But there w 61.1 .et
between a separate Peotestent establisl
atitting no foreign jurSchctioa, end 4114
-of ,an establishment professing obedie
'Yelp jurisdiction, which establiehmen
'been admitted since Ilse lievelution.

~. ...
sited. ikarbseoted I set the more In lea Usage to eel if there
llt
refeiesd@elf Sibiniedg so in tbe eeriei 'on swr Meg
was his ilia tesewietiess rendered dine no /211.16"ies
other obsesses that could come within. sespe of use Emu ,
the Legisieture would confer each universal advert. *mob imi
rages on the whole united empire. For many years tosiition, I

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" • "•' • M. .11.101 MN WIMP.. OM
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shoot to propose he sett(' 400 Mb 11 liosaly, with a desii
of rte Itoure, tnat tmrneclistetlly called to M. re- generally supposed they will be reedered tecapable of dons( to the Frotestaat examinee, to the throne.. What was the HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, Aran, 17. /mulct, the rood of his country, and he did feel some I
any naiscbiet."
.111 e (land Greuville). thouitht that under suck measimt of the Bill, that every perron professurg the Catholic 0 belsg able to produce cowries WI 6in the minds of men
colkctiou 'all the principles of Ins past political
Circa"bunlebteardesui it
awnoutlii.l4l.rbiuust polopriiihbilrefru tares c.tijibiehre were
a rereii7ion Gr
tbst oesliseeliKeitile•Nti
siONdAttervirrydsichshaatuior in.the State,
haex- The SPEAKER took the Chair at a quarter before her the expediency and the precticabil!
,ty of We view..
Itfe. aisd from its close connexion with the futurr.
ee , _ w t o'clock.
-
The Member before mentioned disclaimed any isten
it *PPeared A° bin' of such high.. 4141°1111"er that tree: acted uti ;a 1 1"I
the R Oat' whoa ye
.111 tine Id ita arlt. • 1
00 r ye.irs • tier tv ION, ICO of 111 WI WOO
g oil onoura e M ember for Dirt w,
be could not test satisfied with unseating bigapejr, • kelp* the herpseneeeee ~,,,,t. le the few ef the late I iskafelf; ..aly 'Rippe Catholic subjects AS the list oßces of Mr. LINDSAY • •
r. remitted a Petitioes from the Proved. alluding to the motion lie had in c ontemplstion.
Or givitig a silent tote .op a question Ita Alit op . Kilibilbe Millilleirems is sow aaaWeeverseilli f . the *a .l sal Isli 1 *bete that to borthe tine reltgiou, Magistrates, sitd Ceuecil of Dundee, preying lobe heard hy Mr. LAMBTON said, he bad I ail that persons might
.
• lit ,; roils t.... 1.. , I
4i) t.. t'' .4 ...! ..: via. ...4 .1i ii*ii t ~...7 '1 4 -0111111 •'s 21.1 q. b tarts t 1..0 _. '!! •'• at •
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sone the o►tereatitae at the nom Mustier u as impolititte
open hie ilesimt, sad t►ink he acted ■airartbiy la sat re-
pellipg it • afMf litt seseranee ef s►e Hoe starer, boo.
ever, be fell vale satisfied it was mot brimfull le apply to
him or ►is .mica,
air ROBIRT HERON presented s potties item the In.
habituate of Mid; id the wtt, of. Llabolo, mayiog fur a
Worm In Portineria,.
Lord P. IHRIOHNI presented a similar Petitions from the

Slob* ef sy
, _
Mr. a/1U sal& In bad in. Ms bead s Paid,* AM tire
Noblems, GaAs% Clergy. Fietteddern, sad lidiabitsurs Alle•
the rowdy of Suffolk, which hat has farwardpil to Mn Om
pewee, intim anoniilabla Mimes of the kidepeadset Mew'
her fur that county, Mug at a grimes danodis
This !Otitis. II•d- barn adapted at one of the largedeliseroo
if, of Ms meaty ease tme, sad was sigasdpitteraeti'm
it 1,000 of its meet respectable inhabitants.
leeniplainoll of th, oral essieset of Illinisteva, sabisagtbry
limed tu have ' the confidence sf the cialsotry t.,
'their extravagant system of expenditure' by their maim.
loom of at notrums sanding army, by their modal to
.11tr4teen. aoktuftheir amexion with the advocaat con-
tinental fiats; nael they prayed for a Reform is Pasha.
attest nashrostesatoteddstising them grimaces. The Peel.
1&w hail liMmastfbanamassppots, dor ha meld eat forget the
warikaditati ehatitalti quoin isamba Ileum raftimark

haaulalllairairadortellaumbvido a
saw' Ilan —llan bed beam as Mfrs alma illhauralerde were
alalted. i.ll Ma tram ellivalialea ohne of Ns dlahaallisar

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the country, mod alt tit inimilowl, nrildwitb whteb- It WM,
alfficnal. Mr. Fox wag a Arm friend of *.Sr., bet nen
teasel, tie sheemantif.'6l weeks Illimister for • wen- shdrt
time. ililddient-greet meg messineted *a grantee tbe no-
title, sone of the evils which it had now* dolleplsia Mr'
wouishompr Imareinialsognilliteirimiim et obenakind endr
wools/ it Min ben Stlantoseebby a eminexion witb- that Wens
—.add cell the Irefeeml Allimate-0001
hen bosomed.
that if his
their PeteiliVitn-ria,ld
the Horse, although he
r or support its prayer.
introducing the Petition,
the independent Member.
. Member tonsured his owe
of his ants, if so, he (Mr. G.)
ority; bet is independeace of
Would set yield to the Hoe.
man in die country. Hs
'rattan a coovictios of the
from no other motive; he
favours from them. He wee
dining as soy was, bat he
who the Petitioners were,
It was styled the Pettnee
Freels-alders of Suffolk.
of three Noblemen, for
veneration and respect,
the noting being flee.
r booonsable, mould sot be said
_ aretietrets of tin Nubility of the county.
With unravel to the Gentry he had examined the Com.
mission of the Pent, sod demi it to rentals 450 names,
air. which OW" impels* were alined to this Petitioe.—
There were 500 eheveh linens le the comity, bet only eight'
Chtetymes nesoortile Pentagons; mod name to tbe Pr
/solders, he was confident that of RAMS signatures to dirt'!
Position got abovel,ooowere of **6000164 Or much M
tbe /*thin Pannone the eplsiblavddi illelseety. It air'
curlews to observe the sew liable *Web beat in upon pee.'
germ each meetings. Thar Waildifeeet 1 lie hush,.
abibeerph lately a Menhir erthotillionowi=llfshinfitg
Ms soli is the nese ell itelonsi, eroded
by entiosially urging it epee the at
bad sever eves takers hie asst—(ifenr,l7=—fta lbe His.
Damsel (Sir C. Beaber# who seee•ded liallaby.
the &Mee of lilnder-Seesetory of Stale, from which he aelln*4
with a yemeinn, although he was teed in his lon abeedfulieV
obese and sinecure", and for teeny years served in office witb'
these veep Miuuters ahem be now took such pains to
..—(aietes from tea Mint renal Dersokm.)—The Hon. Mead.'
bier tembloded by etatian, that the bellows bed ben meet
reendu=prealmile that tM Petition bay at tbeT*wu Hall for
*mai sm.
WESTERN asalnlained that the Petition fairly ex-

tie. 111t0048.11* saki, he Issieseer Mint to assert doll
It was entirety seasinsess; • estashnoss is a eipbes--(A
fesigh)-er to a sisals eill.iglentiedflir).insid: if eins'afie
peered that the Noble Lewd sad the Right lion. Ovelkoaan
opposite claimed to be recepled.«.(AdipMeso. • by
had they est attewded the meeting with Mesas as
heath with these, by way of *awing the easel state of
the feel imp-00as meaty ? Tile merit gsoy POO* ellial
upon a reesisitioa, es was eassli4ly osu tee,
Lied Liesteseet, so respectably.-.lod se le Mobs IM *O-
akes expressed at each a imetieg well mesa afiteadiag le.
The Petition, be would repeat, did, in leekes Ora..,
almost saasissotis *pietism of the mealy{ and be sandpit*
the resin of the denial of obit circa onsle:iwaseiltl be autism
retinae with Orient's...wised, le so eller -so the,
priest beyond an doubt.
Sir R. WILSON, hi Ali.'
severe e o
f. his Men. 01410111 110 s,
llidea hz
oceasioned bydemesne to ir A
Petitions front the Electors of the " ef Eetstl
coestilsents, preying for Parliselsitat7 Reform. - iiree
adopted at a ositeliag publicly convoluted, sad was steed by
.any Mho tied heretofore bee. anestaat supporters of his
illajestfii ?Calmer., bat whir bail &nod acclaim le alter
their .pinkies, is the pressatre of Manias sad the Meese.
of their hordes., which the lavish expenditure amid loneliness
COM•MeI of obese ?dishier' hid oceasioutd, aid fee which
they bail no hopes of is remedy bat is a Reforea.of the House
of Commune.
kb. DENMAN prosealk a Pennell from the lababitesto
*Vibe rows of Nuttineheas,expression, is lam cage &IMPOST.
she stew as that Dom the twenty of Devito. the 'pintoes of
I Petitioners ea she state of the country, nod praying for a
, ' is die represestation. la those opinieas and Oast
4 . . bit, tweet heartily coacerred.
' . . ?Whin. above ealegierated were severally laid oa the
ltible; i iid ordered to be printed.
REFORM IN PARLIAMENT.
Mr. I.IIIIIIITON then rose to bring snider the con-
sideration of the House a measure for the purpose
of effecting a Reform in the representation of the
people in Parliarinent. At all timer and on ell
occasions he should be most unwilling to trespass
at much length on the time of the House; but at
an time, or on no .cession, could he feel. se more
than now, a hen proposing to address the House on
s subject which had exercised the talents and el°.
qoesice of so many of the brightest and most illus-
trious ornaments it ever had within its walls. No-
thing, he could 'lessee the Hens*, but the most
anxious desire to contribute, accoiding to his hum•
ble abilities, to remove that distress and alley that
discontent which unfintuustely pervaded the per*
ple of this country to PO greet an extent, could have
induced him to take upon himself the management
of a question to which he felt so incompetent.—
(Been itecrc.)a-lis executing the duty which he
had undertaken, he knew that he should have to
enettendsgainst the indisposition of the House lo-
be told of its own itoperfectious—against that dis- '
like which all bodies of men had to beer accuse-
tious against themselves, and if any proof of this
hostility of feeling were wanting, it would be-found
in' the present state of the benches opposite.—(The
• rreikay. Benches were at this period of the eiren-
ing elitsailutbly empty.]—He was rather inclined to
seameit hiesseties at the present moment, and take
the *we- et the House on it—/d leugh)— I
the few Gentlemen opposite, sod among theta he
perceived some of his own friends, could easily be
_ous-uumbestd. But, however', be overlooked this
'.,ersolit. If it were iuteaded as-a primal insult to
binsielf, now iwthe anoinenceseesik be repelled it
with indignation—/Hear)—if it were designed as
an affront to the people, lie trusted it would teach
; them • lesson which would not soon be lost ; when, •
in addition to this, he had to contend *gone the
recollection of the genius and talent of -the illus
tritons persons who had et different times supported
the cause of Reform, end, moreover. against the
distinguished eloquence of the Right Hon. Geode-
man opposite (11r. Canning, we understood), who
who always opposed to any change in our cowl-
lotions/ system. bat to nothing more than that
Ofended system of amelioration which he deemed
it his duty to propose, lie bad good reason to
be diecouregod ; hut he did hope to obtain
the indulgence of the House—(Hear)—and she
Honourable Member for Boston might believe
him that nothing but a sense of duty, nothing but
• conviction of the necessity of conciliating large
bodies of the people by the restoration of rights of
which they had been long deprived—rights enjoy-
ed by their ancestors, and the deprivation of which
had mainly contributed to produce that long and
ruinous system of wasteful expenditure and mks.
rule under which the country was now suffering.
Nothing but•this could have induced him to on-,
ginaie hit. present motion; no other cause had so
nistilay contributed to the distress and sufferings of
the people as the corruption of the House of Com-
mons. Sad and gloomy war our present coedi-
ting : compared with it, all part difficultiel vanish.
ed. The spirit of discontent was ' stalking abroad.
and it'wiS not now to be stilled by those promises •
for • writs of year., as unsparingly givers 111 they ,
had been unbtoshingly violated. The diffusion of
education, and the consequent expansion of loci-
Irct among a great mass of the people, rendered it
impossible any longer to conceal from them the true
cause of their distress. In assiguing the defective
state of the representation among these comes, he
was supported bt an authority he least of all ex-
pected—lie Meant the authority of Mr. instice
Best. The HOn. Gentleman then read an extract
from one of that lion. Justice'. charges to a Grand
Jury, wherein he asserted that to pursue the unit
measures towards the lower orders after being en:
li4htenett:try. education, as before, was the seine
thing aitelreit anima,cd like inanimate beings. Hil
(Mr. Lasubton) fully concurred wilt) him. He hail
recently had an opportunity of witnessing the effect.
of education, and ascertaining the habits. of the
people throughout one of the counties of the north of
England. There was DOT • village, however remote
or obscure. into which he had entered, where he was
not questioned, end strictly questioned, and his at tend
I earnestly drawn to the most interesting topics of
the cloy and the symptomsof the times. He thought
110 man could deny that 40 years ago the people of
England were more remarkable for apathy and in-
attention to passing events, than they were now,
when it only required the influence of some great
question to call them all into potion. —(ffear, hear.)
—Has it not become a matter of necessity dirt the
representatives of the people should attend to that
great work of amelioration, which alone could satisfy
the minds of their constituents ? To what but the
want of this could the present eshousted condition
of the country be attributed? We had a national
'',unclip,' --

pressed the smitheemela of she osoisty. The scouts was
publicly tolled by the Sheriff—why did not the hisnotwable
Meioticr attend it, and oppose the Petitiok? He hod beard
it objected, that the Sheriff hod tblinght proper to commie
the inhabitant', as well as the Freeholdern of the codoly.
fled not the inhabitants, he would ask, • right to Petition
that House se'well as the Freeholder. ? The Hon. Mem-
Ler then proceetled to contrast this Petition a. as expressive'
of the opinion of the toasty, with the cowman. ..declaration
privately got up, and hawked about for signaturesly the
Clergy and other reunite among those over whom they sight
bh supposed to have any influence. With all those efforts
till bad sot been able to procure signatures equal is
the number of hundreds to that of thethonsands attached
its this Petition. That cototoodeclaratioo was !lipid by
silt or seven Noblemen, who were either in office or coo.
netted with the Governniest ; mie.tenth at least of the
eminter.deelarationisis were Clergymen-4 Mar, hone)—
hut -of seeetety.dve parisbea, the Ministers of which had
eigwett it, not a single ishabitant holden bad put his name
to it.—(lfear, hear.)
. Mr. GOOCH said, his Hon. Friend, the Member for Essex,
baying. held out that it was his (Mr. Gooch's) duty to have
alt dud the meeting, be begged to my that on the dare(
the meeting a call of the House was pesdier, which be was
obliged Matteotti, and he wrote to the Sheriff to inform hits
that be was thereby prevented from atiesdiug the meeting.
Sir It. WILSON said, is reference to the observation of
this Hon. Member for Suffolk, upon the conduct of aw Hoo.
Borouet, • brother officer of his, charging his with i 11101)1114.
oistescy iw advocating the cease of Reform, and at the sacs
time holding a pension, lie begged to remind the Don. Mms•
bee that it was not a pension of grace and favour, but eye
lIIIIMited to the office he had held ; besides which, by adep-
t:snag Reform, be avowed his readiness to give up that pen.
also if a Whitened Parlismeut should deem it 'tectonic," fur
thei,tabli! bead.,

111 CUIUSIRN, heron he presented the Petition he held
I.Ms beak easpreested the Clerk might read the title of the
Act of the EA of George 111. The Clerk accordingly read
the title orate Act referred te, which was an Act fur the bet-
ter securing the independence of Parliament. The Hon.
Member then presented his Petition, which was from ON
Fred,°Wei, of the Crillety of Cumberland, adopted at a
setting, as lie Wig infer/Mt* of nearly 10,000 persons, at
which the High Sheriff presided. The object of the Peti•
tioners was precisely that which the title of the Act just read
expressed, but towards effecting which that Act had been
altogether nugatory—a Reform of Par'lamest.
Mr. BROUGHAM paid, having had the honour of at.
tending the meeting at which this Petition was agreed upon,
by could give his testimony of its respeetshility, both in point
eit numbers and of the character of the persons present. He
ma/ sure there could nut have been less than 7,000 per-
..•ll. assembled, of whom at least 11040 were of the yeomanry
of the county. The Petition expresard, he might say, the
unanimous opinion of the yeomanry and freeholders of that
county, and from the opportunities of oh lion he bad
had, he would venture to say that a large majority of the
'emir class in the other counties of England were equally
decided in favour of Parliamentary Return,. The Petition
was signed by the High Sheriff on behalf of the meeting, but
hail it been left for tcn days afterwards fur signatore, at least
110,00,/ freeholders would have been found to sign it, and
the votes of the House daring that period would not a little
have contributed to swell the number —(Her, beer )
Lord LOWTHER said, the Hoomnsble and Learned
Gersilemau bad stated, that the Petition expressed the tma-
Mitosis upiaioa of the freeholders of Cumberland ; now be
was a freeholder of that evenly, and declared it to be most
opposite to his sentiments' and he was cunideut to those of
a very large portion of thefreeholders.

•
50, much'

Feta, to siva Atli trot* deStxu-
feitild Naiad use 'be airierdell to them w tura-
iglu, to the mawerfactilleall'llad eileselettall Is,
standing army kept spite time of peace. Mils* 'tette '
use of the reasons for deposing /tales I I.—.ooVoloill
of representation by which mots in the House
of INelMons were *pally eSposeti to sale and
ptieChifted..-m mode of government. fruitful
in discootait, distrust, and atom. Repeatedly' :
were the representatives of the people alarined by'
stories of treason—the pole overfiowing with ph.
tonere—and their eyes were daily shocked by the
most barbemus excretions; the consequences of the
most cruel Isar. If they turned their eyes *braid;'
they met nothing to compensate fur this slate . oft
wretchednme and humiliation at home. He hadosiijo.
to mention the names of Norway, Venice, and Gewoo, •
to picture the conduct pursued by Ministers in our foreign re-
latieste--eharmeteritett bye dimegerd to the independeam of '
states. avid a steady support of those feudal isinitntioss
which were repuenant, to the liberal spirit of the age.—
(Hem, bear.)—After aivesehrg to the Abets Bill, and the
course of cosiest:* whoreaml by Mioisiers, la redeemer ta,
the lavasiots of Italy ria, with other ciarenterienee,
orate *elm offi which be said had reattered
hipaitipiso
the people of Fiegba! sib ' of wispleitio, ;Mho* •
sad swishes over tse kit wired, suesit wit an.
to that the nags*it teethe cause of all these
cilamities ? Na, hid * to Welt fee. To the present
mentitatien of the Mime of Colanseas might they all ba
traced--
m Hoc fouls derivate eludes
is Patriots. puma/moque Sask."
The early porno* of our history preeesteilamolafted series
arsenates between the liberties of the people and preroga.
time ofMe crews. But that system of geetensaseat at bomb
was altered ; the gwreremest of iallseace was substituted,
sad it was found far wore easy to (ovens the setioa by lb.
corruptive of its representatives. He meirealsed that dam:
that period the libertise of the people were at the messy it.
any administration, sad if say liberates were yet his Se us,
1 we owed them to their clensesey algae. The tiosieseshe
' Gewleasan proceeded to detail the various mercy of ba-
lloter* possessed by the Governateet, bons the collection!' of
the revenge is its different breeches, the patronage derived
from the army, the navy, aid the church, sad ioferred that they
sirengthesed the onset Goveranswit to ruche degree that the
people were usable to resist it.--(Cheere.)s-This was total
to our peweperily. It rendered void that salutary check
which the people would otherwise laws over the treasures of
the State, sad constituted • Howie of Coniesnos, whose
Members had for the meet part interests &Cereal flew thin
of the ProPlo•--(Cheerfirp.)...Was it thee a nutter of sar-
prise that the public debt should have bees imerseed owe
thomaad 1111111110011 daring the late reign, or that the people
should look to Ibis system as the mere* of all their prima
times sod miseries? He would say then that every true lever
of his covutry ought to labour to diminish the jolliest:a
of the Crown, and to restore the constitutional power
of the Hoene of Coneatoes.—( Hear, bear, base.)—Tlia
theory of the comminutes was, that all the parts.? the
Male were checks ea each other. Blackstone said, that the
people were ache& m the Nubility, the Nubility en the
Crown, sod the Crows us both; bat wow, is ex:anteing it,
they aunt altogether leave out that of the people, hearse
they were nut repremoted. He did not soma to say that
there were not a few Members properly and etteseimtiumiy
the Representatives of their constituents, bet he unmet that
meet of them did sot exhibit men a shadow of popular
represestatios. One hundred and eighty iadividwals teturard
three hundred sad Illy Members to that Howse--(Hear)-•-•
• fart which he could wove at their bar.—(diver, kear.)—
These Members were mitprally helloed So the fttneest of
Mum who retained thew How ohm did he hear il weld why
Mr. A. or Mr. B. had accepted the Claims Huoireds. *ad
as often replied, became. not ban able to think with his
pantos ee eertais qmpliess,-bahai deessoil U • poled of
honest to vacate his seet.-•(ther.)--Siseli feels had repot.
edly been brought under the ceasioleratioa of the %wee*
'they were well kliewa. By such means a majority was
*ways to be found for the Ministers of the day, reedyft
;aglilsbow avid election my we:mares sokly os the ream-,
laillodashow eta Mlaietar. The records of these Osiers were
!ors So at new aolorioas. Not to menthe other
letteldroot ti vii the of Hesse Commons bed
~Eiof the lofassaus expeditious to Welcher:vs
lios r —He libretti had sees the Home vote in favour
of it had rejected he boor before. To prevent the
farther continuance of Ibis was his object. In his opinion
there ought Is be an exteuslon oohs elective frawebise. His
plea consisted of three perta-.10, be would extend the
franchise to the classes now unrepresented, namely, house-
holders, Imseholders, and embolden; telly, he would
disfranchise the corrupt boroughs ; 3d Iy, he would shorten the
duration of Parliaments. He did not mesa to enter Weeny
feet disquisition we the might and constiletios of the House
of Commons, but he trusted he should not fatigue the
Home in making a Mort allusios to the Acts respecting the
duration of Parliaments...(Heer, iisor.)—l. the reign of
Edward 11. an Act was palmed, providing that Parliaments
should be holden lly. So remiss, however, were the
people in the exercise of their rights, that subsequently
laws were made to hoe Members for nentatleadance, and
to greet them wages while is the service of the public. la
the lath Charles 11. as Act was passed, that sew Parliaments
Mould be coifed every three years; midis the reign of
~ William and Mary the Trisanial Act was passed.—The
seat is the Statute-book was the Act of Ist George 1.
Tile. Lanslaws here cited some passages of the Act]
called the Sepleasial Act. It was not carried withowt
vieleat dawns:ion end solemn proareatim.—{Me. Lamb.
ton thea read part of the protest eutered on the Jour-
nals of the House of Lords *pilot the Act, importing.
that instead of diminishiag (its ostensible object), it. would
be'ssore likely to Mertese heats sad wambeines is the king.
dos: that it was to be feared Ministers would be more tem pt.
ed toasted*, at electiose to promisee retsina favormable to
themselver, sad afterwards to corrupt the House.] This
Septesnial Act, ha costineed, was one of the most
&ring exertions of authorlty ever indulged in by any
elected legislative aweadily ; it could only be *dolled by
the necessity of eirewastances: It was a question at that
time, whether, if the existing Parliament were permitted to-
tapir, at the period prettied by law, there would sot be $ ,
majority of Members roamed to a sew Parliament !waffle,.
to the reigning family' and to the liberties of the nation re.
.tibletred thermirk thews; but it was a most dangerous imam.
.=and therefore he recontatesatd the restoration of
Prenamestr. As loth, laws regliding the electors.
Mid She elected, after the most miaow, isilustriuss march
Ibto the polit, he bad come to the earteladon, that dotes to'
the time of Fleury VI. all' persons whb posseered any pea-
r:, were mottled by lbw to vote fur the election of WS. •
or Parliament; and this right hod been recognised is
various-Aces. He here referred teas Art of Edward 1., tbs.
answer of Edward Ilf; to a Petition from the Commons,_
slat kapok** as for the seat Mee which direct that Parliaments
should 'be holden every year, let them be observed, and is.
to Knights of the Shirr, let them be ochosen by the whole
emigre; to the Act 7th Henry' IV. e. 15, which pro-
vided that all the sailers at the county court next after the
Sheriff's receiving the writ, should moist at the dewier of
Knights of the Shire. The statute Ilth Heavy IV. reeve.
need the right, but made residence a neeemary qualifies.
ties. One hundred sad thirty-four years after the Gamow.
ledisnent of the right came Me celebrated disqualifyiag Act,
Bth nowt VI., which provided, Determent of tbe riots wed
tumults likely to take piece at elections, that from theme.
fireweed Knights of the Shire should be theses by perms&
whe had .40s. $ year at the least, in lands or immerses.
From Mitt Act was to he dated the exelustoo of the great
bodyef the, people free 'hair old consatistftent right, sad
he said that they ought tam le be resisted to that right of
which they bad bete deprived by fraud. The laws of re.
siderite had sot bees repealed till the 14th George 11/.
though they. had always bees evaded. Was it smordiag to
the Writ of. the Constitution that the decayed sad it... . .. . .

c. toe palm ini .......—.. -- - ~.
renewable at the will of the lessee' or seem there ways term'
of twenty one-years unexpired. He Should recommend deal
at the county election the poll should kat an Imre than tea
Instead of Ghent days, which last was the• pretend law.
Lastly, he should repeal the Septennial sod re-enact
the Triennial Act, and provide a new oath, to be -
taken by the candidates both at the hustings aid in the
House, white elected, the better to guard against bribery
aid corruption.."—(Haar, bear.)—He should disqualify ill
mormiss who bad duties to perform abroad, which wool*
include Ambassadors and Military Officers. He bad net.
thought it necessary to extend his memir, to Scotland,
because a RAI, Priced of his intruded to bring forward a •
specific measure applicable to that part of the empire, new
to Ireland. But if his Bill was approved of, nothing was
easier than to add these two eonnti its. After a variety of
other remarks in support of his motion, and replying to the
objections nsually advanced oo the side of the present sips.
tent, the Hun. Gentleman emieluded by moving, " That ling'
House do now resolve itself into a Committee of the whole
House to consider the slate of the Represeutation in Eag.
lead and WAIN."
Mr. S. WHITBREAD rose to second the motion. He
fully felt the delimit., of following his Hoa. &hod: It wan
not Ida iateatiom to go through the same mrgumients which
had been treated with such eloquence by him. He owed it
to himself and his commitment, to state, that this House,
as new compareed, was not what it ought to be, it was im
opposition to the theory of the Constitution, and the re.
rated orders of the House. Without treating the sub.
jest with any degree of levity, he must say, that this
Arouse stood in the situation of a woman of bad dm-
Meter, with whom you might take any liberty bat till her
*(her frailty. What was the coudi time of the people ? The
;Solna was covered with Petitions hum all interests represent.
iiireheir distress. It was not straoge, when this Homer ad.
dodirlos to tax, without sup consideration to dome who maid.
Atwater disiiuguisbing atti ibute of this House of Commons
will, that many of its Members turned the mosey raised
of the irothistryef the people to the aggroadiamest and ca-
rtels themselves and their families-and depeadasits.
The ts of himself or his Hon. Friend might not
. from gots( into the Committee. It did
IMIFIVIR to bare lameeethrtxpt:dienyteutoyesprniolengattehereidour;
eat
..ir . 1
ellteethrat that step should be retraced. At all
'dose of NW a power existed somewhere of 'charade;
illilrepreasnlionlisMef the people.
The rierekbanolng been pai—
l. Mr. WILIMOTT opposed the motion. He did not can.
iogive that Key Member was bound to vote fur the Commit.
4110;--after the example of the motion of the Right HON.
.viebee for the University of Dublin--develd as ilia plea
„iaitsidd
Weer the wisdom, and caution, and experience, and secs.
which bad marked throughout the whole of the aids.
, senhost, from which the country was now respiriag,
ilikb.
:end by which the liberties of dm world were secured;
,eid if the Executive bad husbanded our resources, thee it
.iiimelid•bave bees only to compose • wreath to decorate the
limb of our liberties and independence From the be.
;Oat the spirit of Jacubiniem was propagated through Es. '
Igor, he was one of those who thought that • standing
'illenty was oecesosry. He anticipated results from theopeead
set edseatioa far different from thaw hooked Cue by the Hos.
Gundeman. He thought that the people had been long and
artfully deluded on the subject of their rights, and partici.
lady the imaginary meg of I parliaments and antiersal
suffrage. That these had never been the rights of the
;temple, might be proved almost with nistbessatical cer-
tataty. He argued against the opinion that seminally 'all
the freeholders in the County Court voted fur the election
of Members of Parliament. An overpowering argument
against the Hon. Gentleman's sentiment, respecting thirds:l'
ratioe'cif Parliaments, wsa that it was nut =motioned in the Bill .
of Rights es a matter of right. Copyholders possessed
the right of voting, sod to admit them to it would be are"
illlOVlglioo on the Constitution. Even were the rep/mesa
tation altered is the manner reeximineudeol, no relief of say
centseltiente cooM he afforded to the pecuniary bunting'
to thg nation, emmisteetly with the faith pledged to the pub.
lie creditor. The difference between theme hostile to all Re.
foist sad modelate Reformers was as nothing compared le
that between the latter and the sweeping Riforieevs, whit
would at ones blot out those institomos which hod grow,.
with the nation's growth and strengthened with its strength.
He could anticipate teething from this general Iti•fdria'but a'
series of internal disquiets, discoutente, mad sedition,. lathe
coarse of which our national greats's* and glory would be imegi
and we left in. vain to deplore our past happiness. Tbedi
never no. • time when complahits were not soade' is that
country of the decay of liberty, and the corruptor of um.
Lendable!. The Hun. Gentleman them read an exiled-,
heel a tenet 'published in the year 1689, sat star the thine
of the enactment of the Triennial Act' which exerted trawribv
• laughter. It accused both Tories and Whigs, allegiesre,
CO
the latter went restive without place or payment, O
thepsople ageism choosing the sons of Nobles fur repremisilla%
tins. After instituting a compsrioni between this and sevel,,
other cmotries, he concluded that more practical frieedibil
was enjoyed in this them any other part oil all WegilliMOO
(CAserhig.)—He considered the freedom of t grem,..adsh,
poisfleatfom of the debates and other cir la oat
preateut system as compensation for any popular privilentaft
which might have existed in higher vigour at earliee•
periods. If the Honourable Gentleman's plan were carried •
into effect, no hearing could be obtained to this House by
any but Mom espousing the popular side. The bonhomie
which the people were now capered, were attributable ma
their owe itichseathoss and zeal fur carrying on the lilt'
war; of which as iscontestible proof was, that 4ift,ollMffs
wee contributed toward* the support of it by volentaryt...
malaseripthic After -several other observations the Hoe.
Geetletime said he should catielude with *looting the words
of a former Speaker of the House, that till hi, dying
breath be should never cease to pray for the prosperity of
the country, aliethe preauvatnin of the dignity and 'tithe. I
:AI, of the House.
t. HOBILOUSZ said that the Hon. Gentleman
_spoke last thought that nations did not stand
i chasm to obtain eoustilutlemal liberty, ohm they
•te obtain it by me star from slivery. Ho (Par,
1.441014. did sot think the as applied* be did eat.
thlait_ "maven is that situation; how soon we mint be re.
OMB to lit wee umber question, to avert which his Hos.
Wised bed sow proposed his amities. It was a favourite'
topic with • -^' teformers, 0' ... . .
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eibeliti istr l'agfelligholi, le td: 116111111111 thabie.llll.lllll id SW Ors VW
aid, dot the represeelatins paireige*HALsbeeM sallllllolh. liettlellot Poo IllAbillellboibOs ialoollekoros
as ogee* right is .sling dowse the propene Alio pooh that us ilseshetimr showed be stieseptrilt: i toiloirwhiale •
*irk lie rqiehlentatine of comities. The priseolpile- et% U.. 4- the somebers of width diet- Hirimteemilseeh s idled
chsag is the represeatothe of the people meows. *MN es erne to hineeremiephitoly ben- idler. set. In-the Am IR
might be semi by e reforming to varlets Acts of Perikageet: Hemp VI. the Hoset- soneleled 'of only MO
le proof of Ibluopllstes M C.'Lsabba hied the Act setting liteere.Vllr. added SI ; *teemed VI. added AM
the wages to I. paid to • Member sake Howe of.Cosemelis be had their...sr to represent, Midis tbetiaveter CheifterNT '
bylla constitneste, and the Acts for cook-icing Revenues- come these .4444... ea whit* his flee: Meet bed eirtelle:
tine an Irides, the Cessty Potation and City of Chaim observed. Than were she VI/ pieces 'Adds lenwerig. tea
and the County sad City of Daring'. He then pro- lofted lideriberei bet frost which rose were seoresteteetd:
corded to describe the beads ore hill, which he aid he bed He thought it clear therefore, this thellesie heads eighets
PrePand_wlll lho utmost possible poise, is esejseetims legislate epos the frame of Peetinenest, Whoorimr- meleetelfir
with all,11•11- Priced I whim 'moistena he eery moth vetoed. pert of it at the uumbee of bleseliete burn f..
H. propoonli thin a divide Ike onsrey isle dietrke. All to She freeehise, that also had varied; Iherk tonergiese
mirreependine to the number of Members for England end semen of places where the nature of theressaldedieel mitt
*Ass, iffy lb. efeet of Wink world be to give a reps.- correctly konoww. As to the demise of Phrtilienweleglibollif
.rotative to every 2.5,000 people. He should grant a vote is remade it would appear that at het they ohs- seiiihnelko'
towel to onry..perses who bed paid direct lases wields silt thew-twice • year, thew Irtesniek and Wetly seplesellik-mo
sioallts before and bed sot received assistsare from the that be tire three pest point, is the roeselteilletehelllieles.
pose rpada rates, always mieeptieg Whines. The event there wane prieeiple of variabiNty, Thelibliggelit of
sem point related to the returning nicer, wises be Partitioned appeared oleo subject to great inerfelleder
should propose to be aussally dieted by the people WM sot the miss is the thee of the Plentegesete ash Is"test
tbe Needy before Beater. The paned If regnired, time of the Tudors; nor in the Ilene of the lamer as he A* •
should be carried en at the principal town of the district period of the Stuart.. Sine the Revolution ales the Alm-
goring eight boon each :ley, rut a period am longer thee ter of. Parliesiest bed ;materially chested. fn.-shrewd
sit dm: the H... 6e.tir,wss them detedatnimenehtf iiis also that the public revenue had always kept pen,eillb—
provieWis relative to polliag.henbe, *obese. Ice. HA Bill the somber of statutes against the corruptions of Parham's?:
peovidet that all Fenton sibs • sew bad any right o 0 the time of the Revolution the public revenue mho
of voting should resale them dueler their line. Is 11,100,000 f. end there were senator. statutes egeitiet.
the county re be shield add to the the correptioss of "ornament. le 1791 the
Finest electors all . leaseholders, to tire reverts wits esteem .ethos., and the stately.
vales tot 40s. s pee. tbe 111111111 A condition cif boldhclesote fteliemesutary - - _

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ogaian . cor;opttoa were stettr
greater mu ibeip-d
How mach st • be the charge else*
when in 1818, we had a revenue of 94,190,00 M..! Wilk:
he most papoose tbat lallnevieo is that Hasse lad laideaddl
in the same proportion. Ts the indaeoce derived • 'theft !
she great teen' ash, reverse it •be-addel that eilikeir
was derived from our poomemieas is the Ease lodlite; Moller
the erection of the Board of Coutrol, lied from the timeimMOS
Maud duties. Safer, themlbre, from the Pintlamiitat
se ancient body, it bed springy op Rho • arashrottai Vl o!
the corniptines of the last twvory years 3 se Hays* ter Omit •
inuovating the premien was only a trial be Infos, hash ••4:.
Cow jot° :he system, and mike it masethieg 1811 e • rdeefas '
seam toe of the people. Mr. Heeffilimes, who represeacrter
Westminster In 1790, hakes the eneeillefot the Sipteialer
Bin, stated the toluene of the CritiVrte 41194/Amitmendffff
amosmbees, mid 40 yeari Alma a* thi 'Wake ' ' '
be much themes.. What the iellseetesivew wadi Mil t
might be formed from the various papers which at chiffon*,
tiers were laidon their table. la IftltffirliwieMesin
dieted that the Howie at Comma mmeld meet t
into • third Relate istispegibta of pahlte.tsphrlea: Thlit.'
predietioa hid hoseiestreilyeatilledi aid the ids whdrits
Mr. Punt bed said, • Fume a(ftisalatoes la watch the oboe,'
of the peepleswas as ariallike.• 110 for from being • bartle•rit•'
presetting the penal% shiny • were it fact.. oligarchy, self'
was arknowtedgedilmt ?I Prins sod 91 Commune,, weenie
Of 300 members to. the Heave. The minstioa, theretirt, •
that sight was, whether sorb as ollgardry wee • ionised 'to
repreoest Ike people of Ragland'? Hilootooded Itinefi
was: The objeet of the Retirement wee the meek We'
the' plans were di/fencer. That war a• point whisk via
meek carped at, though it shoild- be remembered 'Mat
the very same objettion wsi target stalest the' retinae!
ties of relief**. The meteoroidsy of the Cattelke wan of.
ways opposed to the dilatation 'of the Reformers; bet that
did obi prevent the religious Reforesies from triamplmhig in
Ilegtaad. He hoped that she Refinmore of the prem.. die'
ailed waiveeny petty differences of opiates, sod•eardisfly
suite for the &noising that Referee which Mr. Pitt 'ads*:
toted is 17911. A despot taight,for his owe interest, gory.'
wall; het there was wedding could he said is favour of ad'
ellyareby. Tat we were is theory goveneed by as oligarchy;
and that sot Otis greet loaded proprietors, for boreaglii•
were • peopiely merely seeidental, and shifted heads more ra-
pidly time meet other species admitted?. A serials stM•wai
given fur the'bernagh, which, greenfly speaking, the metier
railed epee the Minister for repaymelet. Therefore. though
the present holder, of boroughs might be verygood meal (sad
hi MK* that misty wete a that character),'yortas boeintyli-
steruers, they were In pommies of • laotrapofy lejuriess to
the 'ohne 'enemas's. He thought the motion of his H.
:aimorable Friend extremely moderate, since it was dearly
peened, as records could prove any thing, Hint the
011Iple were entitled to maul Partismeats, not that he
'stood up to say he would be contented with nothing
lees. Before the' lime of Edward 11. Parliaments were
:held, twice or thrice a year. He was aware that some bad
Itent Med whether the Parliaments were lly chose*, bet
thooglit that those who referred t. Pripnes's Register
!woad ho satiaded on that brad: la the time of Charles I. the
'erparaetertrequeat Parliameots, far at that- time the tear
!was thet we eieselil have ao Parliaments at all. The Hon.
IMember here referred to a Isom from Swift to Pope,. iu
which he spoke-of the gloriosa, Gothic Isittintion Of ••• Au.
sisal Poiliasamine." Hampden, the nephew of the great Men
of that swam and. Lord Royeaoad, spoke of them alas as'
part of the ameleat Coasthatine. So that had Anneal' Par-
liaments becalms asked fur it wanW have bees *Wittig spew,
nothing but what, &Pontius to the practise *tour mmemetes,
we had • rightio•delisad. Act. thetrisaelmise the praetor Mini'
equally deer, aolt hi Ilialiyielea ofnuater Roberts's, Bleirei: •
stone, sod`Sie' Wm:' Jones, the peopiehoilts right to teepted
suer:Oss. sad snarly uoieltrial. flauinel Johnnie, . maw'
of great euniukoto at the time of the Rewolistion, bord-Millutp.
broke. Lnial'Shafiewhory,And aillievittea is piglet of tse-
anal Parliantents, awl is ameremodeen dates, lord Chattsss'
had first adeoeased- the eases; *attar him dr. Pitt, bud'
akar. Hoes emleamiared to . the wearing' wad'
iea the list 'occaMeailbero *pears& the nandistearba •
• voted in f Ef it, a great.' ihailitinf succeed term.
!greasod liar meatimiiku hart Mit soloilowil grid• to his pis:
I eiples. If •he had, his inetoory'woioltt limo brolivelehr•ft4,
,in the prosperity mid happiness of lisineamiery, lostettitot
libetag embalmed is • tavern; It had' bee. said I thee 'atl
ine iisss of she great Relsellbea she Howse of Commies
'OW away the King and the• Hower M. 141114 Tree
Mel, had; but they were not the Parliament of Hog-
fond; It was a body of. ma who remained after Colonel
Pride's purge, sod *diet intakes eptratioas of • similar
;mature had reduced them to 87 Members, of whom silly If
were the rePerenstalAres of comities, so that the alarm oagyst
.to be'of a Borough Pireatiedt, and mot one closes by the
great mass of At 'people. The feemilyna the Throne costa 4
,sot be soiree to the metier.. For ohm the Pretender, I.
1745, made his altemill se the Croirei it Is new a well-aseir-
itilleed feet that be *as &Coiled- by the mojority. olt the
; aiistocraey, bal in klit March from Scotland to Derby, of
the people only '3Oll joined his standard: He bad cake.
worked ts look to all the usual objections which neve cow-
, milady urged' against Perticaieutary Reform. There was a
week which was considered as a sort of ands swam of
contoptlon, purporting to be the speech of a Right How.
hasher to his coustitneals. Reignetiug that he should
nut have said one word, but that he bad heard it was moan-
mated and ustassererable. The Right Hon. Author of thige
letter &Med, Obit the Home of Contemn was what 'if hod
ailwlys heel!. He (Hr. Hobbouse) had esdiavoived to woes
' =as. sot. Agreeiog is opinion with Dr. Pmegleis; lin/
I thought thislhe best of all pose'ble worlds ; amid so it
' wit, according to Candid', exeret to those obb were
bayoneted, or bed the steno au-1 gravel. The %lght
Reintorable Author amid; that as martin red loletenanie
of seiditiest betneen the coasliruent and his geprila-,
live wee esseutial. Now that was exactly what •Ito wished
fee, bit where was the Whitlow*e of aratimeat het Vera tOe
iiillilltilest 'and the representative of the fairy rims of Old
'Bettor ? Would the Member go is the woods and wilds to
1 laquire of the 'nymph Hyoid resketing lie principles of
legislation. The bribery of electors was ailed by Lord
' Coke and Joie Locke poistiniag the fiontala of jiielice;
bet it was • discovery of asodera times that Ala sort of poi.
moats( was a very good tbiag, sad caused the' stream 'to In
replete with health. It wee said that the system was good,
as it admitted many clever tam to that (louse; bin Chit
was beside the purpose; what eras ',analog 'was' mieti'lot
speak the sentimeets of the peop!e ; and se it bist.'berei
whit -- - - - rahsuldeel, it --Anon! - to ''
Wks if ' twee of
heard 'Mit
' amid

Alliance, which be ',Wad stil.tito bpi
chweringl.-for it tiara "am biro I
mr.Gooca 4404 leave ft, any.lh
Itistryetit proper to Wiest Mai mat
gave tilt h his fluty to pratirist it to i
could not ropesr is its plifeatenta
;11isit, Member fur NeeLJli, in
Made use of the 'sprang's, " it
;" prate., Oat Volt. Aft.
Jedfpinderie by the. nnetber of tie
saust ackiowlcie hli infetieriay;
Pinciplrs or of oondret hi Would
iniber for Norfolk, nor 14 icy ma
*ad. soppostirl 'the reseal Ministers
Propriety of their asoBllllltlN cod fret
bled mewl fisheries nrcrired ally fare
ititientllnto the right of petitionini
distal bet to Maio to the House wits
nod Creganlteni did- not eons,. It
.tat Nohifity, Gentry:. grrgy, sod
he,, were aihue l to it the manses I
*Afar be eitirrinqieJ the highest
tel the nnetler of Noblemen is I
tiro, dime shre*, lietcrver hasp**
to expriii the sentintrota of the

Mr. C(.l--..B4EN,;;,ii;;;;;;;;;eouute welt, end pot. of the country be attributed ? we bad a nation• she spirit Of. the Cosatiation that the decayed and de. topic with Anti-lerfereurra, that public opisio• ;87 a et:e: 411asid tint;;;;ltieet,; we, alia7rillt7l leek In the
seised sample means of observation, and he would venture to debt of eight hundred millions—an stinuat taxation boroughs shwa continue to ha ►epreseald? rectiet to the evils which the corruptions of Parlianseat eneellenee of pest kWh' if
_ll man* or your ern, was
say that use of 10,000 freeholders, 0,000 would at any limetights might to, h• 'bobsled, *gin atomism. Bat it venue( the proper office of 'ohne puieted against yourself. Ire ►ad heard that It' b■d bees
system of taxation molt Desert boughs
thSt their
be employed idtliat correction. As to the right mid, that is ' Shut Mewati- dethamtgacd NMI& their proper
lie found to declare in favour of Reforam.--(Hsar.) severity—a sinking* fund reduced bwal" 414 .01FPNIPIO•ef II" "r" gi' Corrupt 1M 11" all opinion in
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Mr. WALLACE said, be else as a freeholder of Cam- obrutniftnYc.rmeail.lions—in ii
.„ of ceameee,And WHIM eat think "Ha Kr. Pitt, that gm/ to usivereal softer, enough had be thought been said by level' in 011 Ise*lbei' ale. lied If refers should I•ke Piece
compeautioa should be given to ibms pigeon, wilt. this his Hon. P►ied•(Mr. Lanais%) to 'onetime, every woe. It ie weitee be oleiseere N:peodree'a•'atat'ef eatbrillftelib; It •
herl■sd, begged leave to deny the unanimity or the county to a mere toosilleriery-a trade impaired end crippleu,
ai favour of Reform. gbg •gricaftural citadel piiiitioniirg the Must fot white slave trade should be abolished, Surety it could mot was an observation of Hume's, t►at the system of the Cu. fur the use of the &margins. With respect to the kites
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