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'to 11 'gift that la fat it his arty thos shortly t tall the
'attendee of thr Home to thellallieet of this Petition.
IRISH lII:COACHES.
'llre..*Codega said, that tea trovieg the Order of the Hoy
• for second readies of thisll; Mew make a few
~beervhflose, width oppeeeed Mlles ; sad In Me
'lint plats Wished to express his oilmen respect for the
PetatioasterwOrneral, as rivets Noblesse, though be
rooliti efillaWyktmemd.ge their eondect la their office;
'he shoo vie slairittes to gamma hie wawa fee the Cowtractor ,
s',ir the MAD weitless selesdathich was the reed he
I. rt priecipally is lemma pollemisa •for whom lie
1-ol a sincere regard Me_ piinelei friendship must not inter-
fere with public arty. lie had relocated the Secretary of
State for !celestite forward the Bill in questisio to the Post.
'lssetere.Orseral there, for their observations; their Land-
chips were not it lowa, bet she Bight Hun. Gastineau had
peen set kiwi as to communicate to him itrebbserwations of
their :territory ors the Rill, and it was tram the Secretary's
remarks. that 'he Maud it nereseery to trouble the Howse;
ego) here he roast observe, that, if he had any doubts before .
es to the propriety end emearity of this hilt, the observations
.of the Irish Postioffies completely removed them. Upon
such obeervatinev es he (Mr. Cooper) had made on bringing
in the Rat, which were not deeded by the Irish Pore-office,
lie felt it nemecessai yto say any thing More. The first °lo-
tion tittles. made by Me Secretary was moat exraar-
dioary ; he 'denied nest the heavy coaches, with the greater
riember of plesengers, snivelled 'slower in consequence ; he
raidfit almost as well have said • that a waggon ou:ht
"tae travel es fast as a rot conch ; another abet rvatiws
sot the Secretary was, that they were obliged to
.thew she sddilioual member uf paseengers aienreer they
were applied to, otiose wlse the eontrart would he thrown up.
'rims it was olovious that the Poet-olfire contracts were good
rears" the public, but good for outhing as against tier can.
vitriol-, "hewing that there was to security, and that of
enure the Possoffice was at the eUTTIIIIeIe mercy of the con-
tractor. The Secretary stye, 'list the Mutest/lice had paid
large slims in advertising for contracts, in var. This
did
hot snorter him, fur ins aolvertisenient of this deeeription
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load art his eye ices the western reed, for a contract fur a
roach for four iusidd and one outside passenger, where the
coaelm a already established were allowed to carry nix inside
out (our outsitte piesitigere. It was trite in vain, in such a
'caw, .to esprit Ibis advertisement con's' tee imeceseful, and
the money was cuuserrently thrown away; indeed, he comb"
hest think the Postmllice *Anomie 'vriehiirg to he snecesefol.
lie uheerved, that the Secretlify, in'ealetilating the nitleael„ %,
',nutria the distenee Into English miles. It, however, this
way allowed, the Secretary must allow him to state the greet
nolvantages the Irish contractor had in the cheapness
sat
homes, of forage, of lebour, and other matins. But the Se.
sr, ivy Lays, airre i• a contractor, whose moieties In ostlers
annually amount too 1,11001. This is a must important
data from which to draw the following conelusions:—lf
the timbre cost 1,60 n/. per annum, as there is a clerk
or :neat at must of the station, where there are ostlers,
who superints nol the seavbille, mid every thing sa-
lving to the coati:es, it was obvious their salaries soma,
on
the whole, exerul the o..tlrm; he would call them,
on a guess, 2,0001., per annum. To this most he added she
rent of she staliks along the line; be 0.111 not call these less
then 4001. Now this 4,000!. per ensionn welshd be altogether •
aimed to the public iw !reload, if the coaches were conduct-
ed me the Fotglieh plan by the iwnkerpces use the tomb', for
though sheen...racoon must have all these expenditores, it
was w.i so wills the ionkeepen; with them tlse sense wakes,
the same stabiles, their own superiatendauce its can yin( ma
their ether beanies", did that of the mail coaches. But there
was another matter in be taken into comideration. The pro-
fits on such ao establishment ought to be very considerable,
ewohably 3or 4,004)1. pre annum. Thus it eppeared there
seemed lee as ample fend for encouraging the iitukeepers to
4inttliwtolle the business. Bet the Secretary says, these are
•no such mimeo be had. He (Mr. C.) said, You don't, nor
'54111 cannot try, so lung as you make contracts fur 7. 14,
and 21 years, and renew contracts berme they are expired."
boot the Secretary says, I, 'they don't ram them. they only
extend them." This is certsioly a chimerical dietlaetios ;
end he says, they sieves sxi.ad them but obeli they get a
great &demises for the public, as where the coateettor coo.
seals to go bee, hooted of fear miles an hour. Now this is
precisely our of the things whist, he (Sir. C.) etimplained of
thy agree with cools-actin atogo at four miles ao hour
env such magnilleent road,. and pet in the power of the
euntractor to oblige the Poet-olEce thereby to renew his
runtract, by Warr; to go at a greater rate 1 Dot the 13.0 at
extraordinary coloservation of the PostmdEce Secretary was
ter last, and in which he is very warm. He charges him
t Mr. C.) with the Hill making Ilia owners of mast roachis
liable to all the penalties that drivers of stage coaches are
liable to by the SOth of the King. Now all he need say ou
this part of the etitject was, that it did no such thing—it
does nut make them liable to those realties; and, in face,
It was at the maggestims sof owe of the contractors that be
(Mr. C.) struck out the clause is the Act in question; au
that it ens toortsine but the eagerness to bud fault with this
Bell that ura-ioned the unfoondeil observation. Upon
the whole, the Secretary's defence of do it. Print.) was most
unfortunate. Be', he observed, that in one of the WWI IlelP,
sieve the annual suns to the Contractor amoutatol to 1,4731.
per annum, they allowed him 1201 for carrying Ilbe Sunday
mail. Now as it is well knows" the coaches travel ou the
Notsoley, *ltether they have a mail er nut, it would have m-
erino! little foresight in the lust-offiee to hare saved ibis
sum; but it appeared they gave the same contractor 5281.
for carrying a secuud guard—this seemed le erectly enor-
mous. He could make similar strong observations ow ethers
of the contract., tint he would not feather occupy the thine
if else House with that past of the subject. Upon the veltule,
the onail coaches ou the western roast were shitinefitl—heavy
'coaches allowed instead of tight coaches, diligence' instead uf
(meetly*, and all 'levelling at a slower rate than they ought.
It seemed by the Post office Secretary, that be thought it
exit/tontines y that the conduct of the Post-office department
shunted he milled in (restive ; bet he (Hr. C.) did mot see
why atty "iotohlic drpartrriral rbwld escape the ihal an-
perititeutiatire uf Pao hiameut ; be could not molly forget the
Report of the Commissioners of Aerometer where they stated
chat in an eniceruisr to audit the Post-ofise accounts,
they (after speeding more then • year it investsgation) were
obliged to report that from 1794 s. 1810, a period of to
vin., they cone" get an satisfactory account ; that the year
1610 was 'hefted satisfactory account they could lay hands
as, and in this they were etialiged to lake it op with what-
ever balance the Post-office chose lac give them. it was
fair. however. to slate that Ise believed the accounts of
that depariewut were from that time correct. However,
there were other abases he could notice, but that he did not
aisle (either to trerposs yes the time of the Home. Where
there was Iva year a Postlatice revenue of 160,0001. and
only 46,0061. reached the Exchequer, it was peel/lila, we.
canary to investigate the aerosols of the establishes's.' ; atid
even with this great espeiteliture, they would sot allow a
real mail coach to thereat breach of road cemented with
Sligo. Viotti the whole, with so strong a case—with a case so
gm from shakes, strooglyconfirmed it was with great relic•
tams he should move to postpone the Bill; hut whew hew'.
*Werra the late period of the Semis., that the Secretary of
State for Ireland had sot had as opportunity of iNforesing
Isonseelf en the suloirel,and that as the Pill did out proposer
aneadle with existing exmairacts, the delay in that respect
could mot lee iiijuriuus, be would move that the Bell *Wald
be reed a second time this day six moothe, with the deter-
tuinatious if he was is Partisan; of briagieg it forward
next Seasium.
The Bill ass posimmedaccordio*.
Mr. HAIITAILD iwaaaltei a Petitions hoes Deireamaiire, pimp
Isig thetensie aharatise might be mode w the Lew rue the
reemery of Small Debts.
DUTY ON WOOL.
EOM ROSZIT Enmshe H. Seaman (Slimier tor
Gloorestersleire). said, he held is his hand a Petition
e.igued by a large eca respectable parttime of his coestitoents,
against the Tee on Foreign Wool. He was, be aid, aware
that die lime fee petsentiag the Petitions had goo* by, bit
be felt it his duty testate in his place that he had received
it. He could state that the Mx hod excited a great and ge.
meal Stl/111110111 ihroeighoet the mouotry—it was II tax which
maser greedy issime woollies simpfactures.

GLASS DIRT.
Mr. lloosuar breath* op We Report of abs Glass Tow
Duly Bill; mid oho Hal woo brought op, sad read a brat
bow
us the swiss of the Cussciuma of the Escsroarss,

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the Tubuai Importation WI was rialSseemsal time, and
committal.
ASSESSED TAXES.
Mr. Bectossu brought up the Report on the
Assessed Taxes Composition Bill.—Ordereal to he
taken into further consideration ou Thursday nest.
LOTTERY Btt.t.
On the Order of the Day being moved for the
tbird rending of the Lottery Bill—
Mr. Les-ref:rot( rose. not, he said, for the pur-
pose of entering at large upon the policy or justice
of the Bill, he had already recorded his tal J JJ ion
on the subject ; but he rose to state a fact which
certainly was of a very scandalous nature. It was
this—that a Mr. Wheeler, a late Sheriff of the
City of Dublin, had been last year convicted of
carrying on at system of illegal ilemratares—such
deserved punishment ; it was most scandalous, and
was ot variance even with the principle of the
Right Flon. Gentleman himself. This was a twit-
ter which called for animadversion, and he wished
now to know whether any step bad beets taken lay
the Right Ham. Gentleman.
The CitvcceLt.ot of the EXCUTQUIER said a few
word., which were not audible in the gallery. We
understood him to pay, that lay waa not acquainted
with the cit-cninstances of the case to which the
eight lion. Gentleman alluded.
Mr. lArrreurosr, in reply, said, that the record
of Wheeler's conviction war on the table of the
House; be was convicted of keeping a little-go
shop; he was therefore surprised how this scandalous
°Hence could hare remained ntiknown to the Right
Immo. Gentleman, and certainly it was not to be de-
fended on the plea of ignorance. De would now
only say, that he expected not to find this scanda-
lous gambling and little-go Sheriff licensed nest
year.
After Mr. LYTTFI.ToN concluded, the Bill was
read the third lime and passed.

EXCISE DUTIES DILL
The Order of the Day being read to take into
consideration the Excise Unties Bill—on the
motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
The Marquis of Tavvivocts said, lie email not
let this opportunity pas. without expressing his sen-
timents on the new taxer. On this subject, he
would freely tepee., his rspinio► s. though he
might differ perhaps from Gentlemen with whom
he was in the habit of meting. Was et not, lie
asked, a grievous reflection, that the proposal of
Ministers for en income tax. had the inemediete
effect ou Members of getting rid of that tax ?
as a NO!)!e Lord, on that ()erasion, had 03114 that
Member, poly felt *envious to relieve them-
selves, it was a sad reflection. that the [louse
of Commons were prepared to reject with in-
dignation a tent affection, themselves, whilst a tax
operating with the most distressing effect oil
the pe,orer 'hisses of avciety, was received with
cheers, sod nothing was heard but the triumphinit
majorities of Ministers.-7/Ihvir, hear./-11 this
language was considered intemperate. let the Gen-
tlemen recollect. that io letn. the Noble Lord op-
posite (Lord Cluttering:lt) hail declared, that as
the !louse took off the property tax to relieve them-
selves, Ministers felt it right to take off the malt
but to relieve the country. If taxes must be im-
paled, if it be necessary to place fresh burdens on
the people, why did not Ministers now propose
their favourite income tax ? The realm was this—
that Ministers weir afraid of the House of Cone-
moi.e. Ile lied heard much complaint against the
imputed diseffee • of the people-4f the people
were discontented. was it a mutter Or surprise to flied
them so ? Wive. it a matter of surprise to hind them
discontented, when they sari those w'io should be
their representatives in interest and in feeling, :es well
as in natne, sheltering themselves from a property
tax, whilst they impose fresh taxes upon the poor
man, already suffering under burdens too heavy to
be borne—was this, he asked. what .he c try had
a right to expect from that I louse ? Would thee
have acted thus in the last year of Parliament
was long his persuasion that opposition within the
walls of that House would have little effect ; that
it would be useless to rail against taxation, how-
evre oppressive. until lie could see a Hume of
Commons elected by the people.—(llear.)—The
only true remedy appeared to him to shorten the
donation of Parliament, and to give a virtual reins-
saltation of the people. The noose were not igno-
rant of the state of the public mind—they knew
with what anxiety, in the course of the recent elec-
tions, every opportunity was seised by else people
, to assert their rights, and to express their senti-
ments on public affairs—they knew that a change
of men would not relieve them—that nothing but
a change of measures could save the country. The
voice of the people of England should not be dis-
regarded : they have cried out against taxation—
they have expressed open hostility against the large
peace establishments that have been kept no. The
cambial and the Crown are at variance. The peo-
ple have called on Ministers for a reduction of este-
blisliments,eend relief from their burdens ; anti hew
have they been answered? They have been an-
swered by increased taxation. sudden. heavy. seal
severe. The Ministers of the Crown have hero
tumbled to Jo this. because they le“ve been sup-
ported by a Parliament elected for seven years,
and influenced by borough interest. For lion-
' self he would declare, flint until lie saw a sin-
cere disposition manifested to relieve the people
—until lie saw a reduction in the public establish-
ments—until he saw a system of reform, retrench-
ment. and economy acted on in all the depart-
, menu of the State, he would not misted to lac one
additional tax upon the people. Feeling as he ditl,
he would move, that this Bill be emensitted this
day six mouth,.
The CHANCET.I.OI of the EXCHEQUER said, that
of course all taxation must ultimately fall the
great body of the people; but it was a subject of
congratulation. Out the additional taxes had but
little pressure on the lower orders of society. Of
the three millions proposed to be raised, the pres-
sure on the poor was trifling—the malt tax. for
instance, will not Macaw the price of beer.—(4
lerils.)—As to the arguments of the Noble Lord.
they were of • general nature, mid applied more to
the constitution of Patliatostit, and not against
the taxes.
Mr. Csuatts CALVERT said, he was greatly
surprised at the speech of the Right nom Gentle-
man. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, that the
malt tax affected the rich and not the poor. Now
he (Mr. Calvert) took it quite in the reverse ; it
struck him, that the tea injured the poor sod not

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the rich. the excisemen; by the law, is preveitterl
from entering on titivate premises; and persom
who are in the habit of brewing for themselves have
thus the advantage of purchasing malt, before the
excisenarm can take the amount of the stock on
hands—they have the advantage of purchasing it
free of the duty now imposed; but the public
brewer, who manufactures the article for the poor.
can have no such advantagew-therefore the poor
are exposed to the immediate pressure of the oat._
whilst the Lich, to a certain extent, are exempt
front it. When the Right Hon. Gentlettion as-
serted, that this tax would not affect the price uf'
the article, he seemed to forget that if the tax was
not imposed, the price of beer would be lessened.
The price of beer, like every other commodity, must
always depend. in a great measure, on the march .1
of which it is composed ; and certainly the pri.iti 111 l
of the (tight Hon. Gentleman is very novel—
whilst he proposes to tax the material,. he mortals
that he will not affect the price. He (Mr. Calvert)
was not sufficiently prophetic to Nay whether or not
the price of the article would he raised, but cer-
tainly it was prevented from being; harried. The
situation, lie said. of mallrtrrs, was cruel 111 the ex-
treme ; they hail been subject to match inconve-
nience, mini to heavy duty, and they are now sob-
jr et to an additional duty of 94. 6.1. The Home
might impow ditties on the people. but could they
collect them ?—(Near, hter.)—Will not the excess
of taxation defeat the hopes of the revenue ? The
Honourable Gentleman complained of the insuf-
ficient securities *lnch, in many ilisaances, mole-
sters are in the hobit of entering into, and instanced
a case where a mobster applied to a tailor, or rather
a mender of old clothes, to become his security for
2,0001. though the man never in his life was
worth 1001.

Mr. iIkNNETT said, that the Right Hon. Geo.
tient:in (she Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not
stale the argument fairly. He said that the Malt
Tax would not street the price of herr ; but was it
not certain that the tax preveisted the price from
being blistered, null, therefore, wis it not substan-
tially a burden oti the people ? Upon this point it
was not necessary to argue. To contend that
heavy taxation sill not influence the price of the
article taxed, was a position altogether untenable.
The taxes proposed were stuck us would greatly
Weil the people, arid he could not but cotssider
it
the worst possible means of supporting public credit
by oppressing the poor. Hr could Hot approve of
tales that wrist to secure or to increase the property
of the stuck-holder at the expense of the counlrY,
already taxed beyond its means. He was, lie said,
astonished to hear it asserted, that those taxes will
nut affect the poor. Did he forget the tea tax ;
was not that article now a necesiatry of life, nod
the source of subsistence of the poor ? Were
they ignorant that many a poor family existed
almost on tea—that many ■ poor man, with his
wife and six or seven child►en, out down to partake
of this scanty beverage, without milk or sugar, and
with sin other kind of food brit an insufficient quan-
tity of coarse. brown bread ? He could attest the
fact, of tws counties with which be was acquainted,
massy families were reduced to this state. Tea was
their common, constant, and scanty sustenance—
this article had already been taxed three millions—
the East India Company have a monopoly of pro-
fits of two millions more. 'rhos the people suffer
is double oppression—they are taxed on the our
hand by the Crown—they are subject to a monopoly
on the other—and by both they are made to pay for
this single article no leas than five millions of money
above its value; yet not even here are they suffered to
re►t, but at a time like this, a new and severe tax is
sought to he placed upon them. %Vito that has con-
templated the decay of this eorristry for the last twenty
• yew s, that does not see with bitterness and sorrow the
slate to which she is now reduced. Notwithstand-
ing the increase of wages within that tone, be con-
tesided that the poor roan now enjoys less of the
cs•mforte and of the hare eircesanrice of life than in
1793. There was no country to the world where at
this moniesit the situation of the labouring poor
was so stretched. where they enjoyed so tittle of the
comforts of life. The cause was obvious. There
was no country in the would where so much was
taken from them.•—liiear. hear.)-I'n the entire
system of inxiilion he expressed his decided nos-
tlity : lie said that if this were the past year of the
l'orliatntait, he would not set those taxes put upon
the heads of the people.

Mr. CRENFELL said, be would ol•pnae the Bill,
though nut ott the principle of the Noble Lord—
not on the ground of a corrupt representaritto—he-
c fuse that was not his opinion. He would oppose
the new lasts, becantte he considered that this was
tint tl•e ttttt tit tit to introduce them—because he dial
not Hunk that the preeent situation of the country
enaldt-d the people to meet them.

Mr. Gooch contended that the Malt Tam was
introduced ■s is woe tits, and how it could be now
kept on in a tune of profound peace, appeared
very strange to him. He could only reconcile it by
considering that war still existed—war against, the
best interests of the canopy. They were add that
the harden was trilling, but surely Ministers
should rteollect that the people, particularly the
fat turn, were tiltrady ground down by poor's
rates, end taxes that tiley cars with difficulty
discharge. When Gentlemen talk of a trifling
burden, they should recollect tl►at a single pound
mi the strongest animal, already ladrn to the ex-
trod of his strength, must bring hin► to the ground.
He would oppr•se ti►e tax, became Ms considered it
uppirsoive en die agricultural interest, the best marl
most •aluable class of society its a free and moral
country.

Mr. Piticx said, he felt it his duty to oppose the
tax. He could not forget that when Winters
brought in the Property Tax, they had declared
that the affairs of Glivertiment could not go on
without it :-...they were defeated. hut they kept their
places. and found means of meeting the expenses of
the State. He would appale the new times, because
they would impure burdens on the people at a
moment of public distress. when they had not the
means nor the inclination to submit to additional

Lord EBRINGTOM could not bring to Wad a
single circumstance which could justify fist hopssi-
lion of stew taxes in the present sesperreashed
state of the country. except the dreadful itulasuity
of an impending war. Ile therefore cordially ape•
curled in the motion or Friend, mod was
glad to have loch au 011)611844y is it wifordod, of

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esing his vote against the principle of the 8in...-.
f Hear. hear.
Lord COMPTON trite agreed with the Hon.
Gentlemen opposite, that the Property Tax. in a
modified shape. would be the best made of recruit-
ing the finances of the country; but he thought
this declaration came with an ill grace from the
quarter which gave the most strenuous and effective
opposition to the renewal of that very measure.—
_fame, hear, /ram the Treasurys Benches.)-.-A
direct tarislways fell on the bulk of the consitry—
no indirect one fell generally in a disproportionate
manner upon the tower orders. /I 4 --. —eta., hear.)—
He would meet the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, so
far as to state. that if they would undertake to vote
with him for a modified Property Tax, he would
agree to reject the proposed new taxes.—s(Henr,
hear, frogs the Trealwry /Teethes./—lf they would
not, he most lie compelled, in consequence of the
exigencies of the Stale, to vote for these new taxes,
which he did not think were to objectionable as
s ttttt e persons Ornstein thein.—(Hear.)
Lord A. 11.01 i I.Turt said, that the question
wh:eil it became essential for the House to consider
wits, not the amount which the Chancellor of the
Exchequer may assert lie wanted, but the amount
which the country wits in it capacity to pl.-.
(Hear, hear.)—front wlist he saw of the state of
the country, lie was confident that no excessive
permanent revenue mild be drawn from the public
in the present state of their burdeus. He could
not, therefore, consent to a plan for attempting to
lay on fresh taxes in the grinding, distress in which
the people lay. The time. as well as the mode.
was, he thought. peculiatly unfavourable. Know.
log as he did the tenacity of the Night Hon. Gen-
tleman to retain such taxes as the House confided
to him, he had the strongest aversion to acid to
their number. IVlnst was the Right Hon. Gentle-
man's motive for continuing dr Lottery Tax ?
Ile said it *Na because he bail ins other way of
ritisitig the same amount of money for the public
service. But now it seemed lie had discovered
fresh sources of revenue—but tlisiy were of a kind
which the public were utterly unable to endure.
The House hail had documents before it to shew
the distresses of the people. The Petitions from
Carlisle owl other manufacturing towns were
decisive of that fact ; the agricultural Petitions
were also u proof of what that branch of the com-
munity had suffered. A part of the proposed-plan
was to augment what was called the sinking fund.
Now the former sinking fund. so far from operating
beneficially for the public in a reduction of their
debt, hail only administered to the Minister the
means of expenditure, rather than the means of
reduction. In objecting to the proposed taxes, he
begged not to be understood as on that account
objecting to trisetion altogether, and respecting the
molt tax in particular, lie thought it • molt ioju-
dicinus one—he should rather see duties affixed to
distilled spirits, it would be much better for the
month and productive industry of the people.
This attempt to lay on new taxes was besides as
directly at variance with the promises and pkdges
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of the Right Him. Gentleman opposite, as it car•
tundy wad with the prosperity and permanent re-
sources of the country. _ _ ..

Mr. Colts Paid, that the ultimate effect of this
fresh project for taxation. must be, that the greater
part of the amount would be drawn from the poor's
rates. For Ina part he should oppose altogether
the stew taxes. Ile was it very old Member of that
House, and had 101114 been in the habit of Peeing
the profligate expenditure of the Minister when-
ever he could get motley from the pockets of the
people. At present lie would go further, he would
assert that this Was a corrupt Howse of Com-
mon', from which on gond was to he expected—
(Crier of Ortler."')—front which the country
could receive nn salvation. Look at the mo-
tion the other day on the state of the nation.
The Minister on that occasion summoned his
troops. and got it triumphant majority. It war
j,.ke to state that the same feeling could
he round to prevail out of doors. They must be
aware, and must feel. that the country was not in
a condition to hear those grievous burdens. Fran,
what he saw of this Parliament lie hoped the day
was not far tiff whets the country would have
the beilefit of triennial Parli florists, there then
would be a greater assimilatino of their sentiments
to those of their coustitutents. If it were at the
end instead of the begitming of even a septennial
Session, persons would not be found to support such
n project as this ; they would not attempt to do it
its the face of their constituents. He had always
observed, that at the end of a Parliament Member!
behaved a great tkai better than they dill at the
be-t intiing.—(llefir.)—ln the begi 111 l Mg they were
gone Indifferent, but lie trusted that a reform of
Parliatiteut would he pressed as the most effectual
step *hid' could counteract the evils that now pre-
vailed.—(llene.)
Mr. Gnocit wished to explain the vote he meant
to give. It wits slot his intention to vote against all
taxes, for he kitew that the country could snit go
on without them. His objection merely went to
o'l particular tax he had animadverted upon.
Lord Nlsurna said, the lion. Member would
then merely vote against one tux, because it af-
fected a particular interest in which he was con-
trrorsl, while he would have sio objection to vote
for 'mother that might, perlrips, be equally inju-
rious to the community. lie hail, in fact, one
VOIC for Admitsistostion, and another for his con-
stituents.

Mr. Gooch complained, that the Noble Lord
had no right whatever In impute to him any motives
for his vote, except that it 'estimated from the best
of his judgment mill understanding.— neer.]
Lord MILTON disclaimed imputing any unfair
motives to the Hon. Gentleman fur his vote—he
had merely stated that he had nue vote for an Ad-
ministration to which he hail no doubt he was hi,.
estimably attached, coil another for his constituents
against the malt tax, winch would affect them its
particular. He (Lard M.) confessed, that ermine,'
a war a, that in which the country hurl hero re long
engaged, it was utteily impossible stud great
cool difficulties should not esivi; hut the principal,
difficulty of all was, how to get at a particular lax.
Honourable Clentleuseis were ready enough to vote
fur testa iis the main, hut when the particulars
were diaelosied. then they were equally ready to
shake them From any pressure upon their isome.
dime interests. As to the prevent taxes proposed, its
the whole range of them be had 'virally seen one
which he arooglst could lave 114 geutrill coucur-
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