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the Bill before :he Moe. land go. ntAte of his
intention. next session of Parliament. to intro-
duce a Bill for the purposes of giving a gene-
ral jurisdiction to the county courts, relative
to the mentery of amall debts. His Lordship coins
recited upon the inconvenience of obliging free-
holders only to attend as jurymen in that court.
and recommended the expediency of enabling
leaseholders and copyhulders to act as jurymen.
lle also gave notice lie would introduce a Bill of a
general nature as to insolvent debtors, which would
be perpetual. and would provide that every
iuditi-
dual, upon should have redress Inc Ins
own particular case. The sum of lowity (WI.)
for which a man might be arrested, 111 hi► ,you.un,
ought to he increased to a greater
The question was then put. that this Bill be read
this day three month«. which .was a4rei.,l
mously. The Bill is cousemiehtiv lost.

SCOTCH COMMISSIONERS' LULL.
Upon the 'motion for the third reading of the
Bill to allow furtlier time to the Commemisiers to
give their Export on 'the judicature of So:whim',
Earl STikatioPs rose to address a fro
time to the HOLDIV, because he eoisceiveil it his
duty to do so upon en great and oupoitailt a y n s-
tion. He spoke generally of the suet its of ac.• 1;111
formerly iutroduced to tater the administrotwe of
law in Scotland, by his Norde end Learned Friend.
For," said the Noble Earl, IA (alluduig to Lord
Gretivilk) is learned, and in the early pert oi his
lire belonged to the profession." There were several
difficulties which might be obviated concerning the
best mode of exteeding the trial by Jnry to Scot.
bind, but if- was highly necessary the people of
that conory should enjoy the blessiugs of each a
mode of trial. The inhabitants et Scotland were
allowed in general to Lie welleinfovoned, and there-
fore competent to discharge the office. li we re-
vert," said his Lordship *go crittiiriel back,
how shall we find the jurymen of this country.? in
doing so, I shall unintentionally produee a ludi-
crous description of the learning of Ihw country.
Now, my. Lords, in the reign of Edward VI. there
is a particular statute, which chews you even the
learuing of the Huu.e of Lords. It is well known
the benefit or clergy was tint extended to clergy-
men themselves. afterwards to those who could
read. Now, my Lards, as I said, it appears,
in the reign of Edward VI. the Lords of this
House could not read, not exreptiug the Re-
verend Bishops (a limey ; fur there ;s a statute,
which was made to prevent houve-hreakmg, and
horsy-stealing, two remarkable offences to be com-
mit ted by Lords, that goes on, and gives loeurrit of
clergy to a:I Peers and Lords of Parliament, vi•
deutly therel.y ; rsh,ch t- hews
they did not pommel* this privilege before that par-
' tienlar time, althoughNitliont sm.', a townie, they
would ivies then been entitled to it, if they could
have out written." Vet in times the most amient
in isioutry, the trial by jury had exi,trd. His
Lordship solso commented upon the mode pursued,
area iu this pert of- the empire, uniqugst judges,
who were a kind of legal chymeee, extracting the
pritoeiple of every case, and thereby ))))) ta:z a COlO-
- was to be applied to any ace case
which ',Would afterwards arise.
Lord GlteNllll.t.e ro,e and spoke nt verg great
laiieth upon, the mew-ore which he had formerly
submitted to the intevitimi of the Legislature, and
upon the matinee of introduciog the preseut Rid,
cad tvailactiog it through its oldirrent stages. Ile
was still of opinion there es. Milne to be attached
tva thins who had been instronnentul in retarding
the ataiindumot of the laws of Scotland ; there was
a negligence, u reuzisimess, au onvissioto of high of.
ticial duty, and a thiesbevlienee itiaoife,ttol against
the express provisions of au Act of Parliam, ot. lie
ova adverted to the 1:11011110US expense of law pro-
ceedings in the Court of Session, and remarked,
that he was satisfactorily informed a snitor paid for
to copy of the proceedings in his most!, which ;r as
foe Seal. the enormous sum of With great
eloquence he repreo.nteil the hitrdsliips of suitors
and the Iwasaki), for their relief. The lieport of
the Ceutonsaamwre, a, fir as it went, chewed the
propriety legislating iniinediately for the pre-
vention d twit enormoiss alsioses. lie concluded
by propeolog to introduce a Very short Act for
that purpose.
The Lotto CHANCELLOR vindicated the conduct
which had been so much complaiued of by the
Noble Navin. He professed the same opinion now
which he had entertained on a former occasion.
Lord Emmy' said, he Was one of the Commis-
sioner*, hut under all the ciremostences, be had
not acted, lyremure it could he attended with no
proepeet of Isenefit. He did not altogether approve
of the aimoisitioent of the Judges of the Court of
Session to Moluire into the aliases of tlsat Court.
No man more s •errly respected them ; bat it was
soot prohaWe, if wild homes in the new forma could
have been asked, if they chose to have bridle* or
restraint ;ei upon Cava' that they would lie dis-
posed to soh fist : as idler, Looms the seine pion pie.
would the Judges of Seotland be disposed to aisle
/for any restraint upon themselves.
Lord RLDESDALR defeuded the conduct of the

01IIITIMIn r%
The Bill was then truaniinoualy read a third! time
and passed.
Lnrd Mui.Ganve rose, and intitssited his wish to
mike • particular cominunseatioo, when strangers
were ordered to withdraw.

Upon our return to the Bar,
Lord (;;:mtviLLE war addressing the House on
the importance and necessity of the Bill which lie
e was about to propose, fur the relief of suitors in
the Conn of Session in Scotland. lle should con-
duct his perseverance in the measure, averably to
the sense of thefluitse, initiiifested on the witicut
°erasion. He concluded by moving. "'('fiat the
Bill be read n lira time."
The LorirsCits,acrtton declared his consent to
the first reading of the Bills Alluding to un ob-
servation of the Noble Baron (Grenville), he never
emildadlinit that 'attire's Should have, in judicial
affairs, a greater share in legis!ettnis than other
Peers. But lie cenld not help observing, there
never was a lawyer who did not fancy himself
a statesman, mad there Helfer was a statesman
who did not fancy himself • lawyer.--
lie held otos opinion that the introdnetion of trial '
by jury, in civil 1'3141,1, 'would tint answer th:.• expec-
tations of those who most contended for thin ince-
sure. It reminded him of a discourse nu the sub-
' ject, by two very Iciirned litmus in die .Norill.—

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the eat entertaines/ an Bliiuiuia hostile to ihe "Pee
sure, and asked with what machinery he would
trodcce it % I. Why," answered his friend, "1 there
is nothing tonne easy ; make en Act •I Parliament
fur its iutroductims."—The first replied in his
Northern dialect—.. My friend, if au Art of
Parliament were passed to make us *peek F.
limb, I helieve we should speak Svotoh lona itti-
standing."
Lord REBESDA LB low! no objection to the lirst•
reading, but urged the difbrulty of Ireton% a 111101.
sure to give effectirel reusedy.
After a few words trout Lord
teplv,
The hill was rind a first time, and ordered to bed
painted, a 04.1 Wall n PCCOOII liter 110411OPP0a.
THE LOAN CHARGE BILL.
Upon the inotiou of the Earl of It vkaroor., the
menial reading of this Bill was position. d till to-
inonow.
Alter disposing of Ilic other orders of ilie (lay,
the I louse udjeurned at HALT PAST TEN
HOUSE OF COMNIONS.
hati:cl Ba LIAR pretested a Pewits(' from e-small Frre.
ot Emit, eamicsi theJudgess' Art rti..l.atiou Bill,
aril pray mg lo be baud Cuunstl. (tittered to tic on the
Nir F.:lwatt'. KNATCRuUt.I. presented a Petition from
Dk toms rumbled is the giasi of Maidstone. Ordered to
Woo the ohm.
eiri.llollaP TL:PTON ed the third reading of the In-
asherat Deblois' Dill, which was greed to, and the 11.11
passed.
Lord VA LPIITIA gave DUCAT of his intestion I. cam,
ms Thimaley next, the fooductioss of errt Sill Treat.es
WO. u the lirstods tiortrurociit, and semi: of the Name Powers
its India.
The flume strut into a Commhtee oa the Pepsis)* Duty
which heial r: lie I hrt.lehil, the Report was recelted,
Old Alm: Bill ordered so Ler read a third time to•morrow.
k On the soothes of Sir Joss SINCL•IR, iiIPP Starteeseh
Reaulatiuu bill . was•synia a tsrua.l time, sad ordered to be
eisone.tted to-marrow. ,
Mr. GICLISHILi. tree notice, that he would, essay io the
nest Illasaion, apply fur Irate tu lit Isring a Rill for the move
effectual etturiaation of witnesses its the Courts of Equity
is Esglaad sad Ireland.
The Irish Militia Silt was read a third time sad poised.
The J 'Wiles' Salary August la. NM Rill was lareatchi 114 by
Hr. H usnotott, mot a first time, su.d ordered tu Ire read
served Situ- us 'Thursday seat.
The Bill. foe borrow the duty on Coffee, imported from
Aftiee, was mod a ant time, sad ordered to be read • as.
coed hake to-muertor.
SPIRITS SUSPENSION BILL.
Mr. Fosrrat moved the Order of the Day for the
third reading of the Spirit. Suspeosiou Bill, olive
Counsel were ordered to be omitted in to lie heard at
the Bar against its pasimug into a law ; alter Use
Bill was reed a third time—
MT. Nolan addressed thellonse at cousiderable
length, against the measure. He took a review of
the Acts, previous to the Union, affecting the Dia-
fineries of Irelaittl and Scotland, and also of sod'
parts of the Act of Conon as :elated to the sohjirets
lie coutended that it wuuld be unjust in the Legis-
lature to equalize the duties on spirits, eilliout
taking into consideration the difiMetet modes of
manufacture; and duo. Cuitiiitently with the Act of
l'itiuri, the spirits should be considered SIP oliasiilli-
Lir, or it would be %direct violation of the Act of
Union and the spirit of the law. It was impossible
this Bill should pass, which would Ca 1.1114, it tempo-
rary prohibition in the evitiange between the En-
glish and Irish distillers, greatly to'the disadvaii.•
tagr of Ireland. 'rho English distillers %Oldies'
for the monopoly of the market, and the suspen-
sion would hirward their views ; it would be a great
advantage to the Scotch distillers to drive the
Irish out of the market, and the two cooperating
must materially injure the Irish. He then touched
upon the drawback allowed to Scotch distillers
importing spirits into Ireltind.' which operated as a
howdy in their favour, and thought that the domes
between Scotland and Irelaiel should be erpoilizni.
He cowhide"! by saying, that mspeesion followed
on suspension, till the Irish distillr.ritw were et a
stand, and that if ,this Bill sae suffered to pass,
it would be a direct infraction of the terms of the
Unmoor
The Counsel then withdrew, and, upon the ques-
tion that the Bill do pass,
Sir Jona Nitvcoer rose and said, for any thing
lie knew, if this Bill were allowed to pass, the sus-
penron might be continued from year to year. It
had beet, said originally, that the Irish distillers
were in favour of the measure ; it could not be said
PO now, when their Counsel appeared against it.—
Ife was convinced that Ireland had not been fairly
dealt with ; hut as to impress such a conviction
might be productive of the worst consequenves,
Its would not go into it, although he wits certain
that she hail lost more than she had gained by the
Act of Prior. Those who desired the present Bin
to lass, wished for a monopoly, and would the'
House accede to it e As far as oae individual
voice would go, he would protest against it, as a
direct violation of the Act of Union.

NIG FUSTr.R %aid, that what he would contend
fir was this, that the enactments of the Act of
Ciiiad.wcre clear. but that the SChedule was l'4ll-
- and contradictory. The only way to lirevelit
a misconstruction agaiust heists!, was to adopt this
Bill, as it was utterly impossible to take the subject
into ample consideration this Session.

Mr. Gas Tram allowed, that some adjustment
was necessary; but the fairest way, till the law
cmild be settled, %vas to allow it to remain as it is.
By the suspetioon, a violation of the Act of Union
immediately took place, and therefore suspension
al Id not be allowed, till the real spirit could be
ascertained. If the advantage is mow in favour of
Ireland. they were entitled to it; but us Scotland
concerned, Ireland must !Owe way. Ile cone
clouted by saying, twit he would vote agasust the
▪ Mr. Illurcei Issue said, that in tancasea w!iere
questions upon the Act of Union hart been brought
herore she lillll,P, they had been eirried
Ireland, as it were, by aveleineito.l, and he hoped •
the third would tint sham the +rime f•ite. liy the
Act of Llano), the 'reset distiller hail 4 right to
come to market, by raying the countervailing duty.
end if this measure were carried. it would be pot-
ting the question at test tor a twelvemonth, with
a vengeance. Why they should be deprived of
thia nght he knew not; unless because it had beta
determined to he against the Fmalish market.
h. had argnedShe subject, he would taut detain the
'Nose by fiirther observations, hut wi,lied to know
flaw a Right tioo. Gentleman opposite, wily he