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The Dill sru then ordered to b read a Third time, upon
Monday Hut.

COPY RIGHTS. •
Mr. Vti.i.tual wo,ed the second reading or the
Copy Right Bill. •
Mr. A meacuomarr thought that time ,hould be
allowed for the due cousiderattou of a snhject, in
a 'Mel' the interests of the most mei ammo,. al-
tliqugli, perhaps, not the most opulent, ela.s of
the community, were so seriously concerned.
Mr. VILLIERS, however, saw no reason for fur-
ther delu, as sufficient time would yet he affmded
for every rritsonitble
After a few words from Mr. W. WYNNE, the
Bill was read a second time, and ordered to lie coin-
'flitted on W,,doesday 'text.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Mr. TIVSILIssON moved the. House to go into this
Committee ; and also, that several documents, as to
grunts to His Majesty, among winch was one, re-
lative to the Naval Asylum, be referred to
them.
Sir C. Pots rose, and urged his former objec-
tines, a, to the manner iu which this Asylum was
coniiiietelt, and several of the appoiuttaients of per-
sons folding offices therein. lie therefore conceived
he should not be doing his duty to the public, were
he not to oppose any grant to tnst institution, un-
less it were so managed, as to prove au encourage-
ment to the naval service of the country. They
hail al r. :Ay received, towards that Institution, the
sum of 42,000L0f which the public had as yet had
no aventint rendered.
Mr. Rose observed, that the sum alluded to was
no public bounty, but was a private donation, to be
bestowed solely upon the maintenance of the chil-
dren of Naval Officers, and could not therefore be
isestoited, as the present grant was iutetided to be,
upon erecting buildings for their accommodation.
The House then went into the Committee; and
The CHAPHALLOR of the Excueviu La proposed
certain Resolutions ; the first of which was,
" That it is the opinion of this Committee, that the sure
of rri,noel. be granted to His Majesty, to defray the expense
of erecting buildings for the Naval Asyluin."
Sir CHARLES Poise again objected to any such
grant being made, and 'mai( ularly urged his (b.:-
approbation of the uppointinents of auditor and
surgeon.
The CHANCEL. Los of the Excureueit expressed
surprise at hearing such an objection made to a
grant, which was intended for the support of seven
hundred boys, and three hundred girls, the chil-
dren of Naval Officers.
Sir CHARLES POLE thought there ought to be a
statement of their feuds laid before the House, be-
fore they came thus, in forma penperis, craving ter
further aid. Ile should not, however, divide the
thou .e upon the subject, but hoped some means
would be taken to remove all objectionable ren.tuis
from holding appointments 'miler that iestnution.
Mr. Rest stated, that they came forward as
Commissioners for that Institution, to state, that it
was necessary to grant this sum for the building,
and 'tot to put in a claim, is forma pauperis, for
the support of the children, that being done by vo-
luntary contribution. The school for she sons of
common sailors was not sufficieut for the accommo-
dation of more than 150, and au instance had oc-
curred where the son of an Admiral had been un-
der the necessity of sleeping in the same bed with
the ion of a cowman mailer. is ..as surely there-
fore but reasonable that the same accommodation
should be given to Me children of seamen, as was
given to those of soldiers at Chelsea.
Mr. WINDHAM supported the objections of Sir
Charles Pole, as he thought it proper the ib,use
should hare a statement of the affairs of the Insti-
tution before them.
In answer to some further observations from Mr.
Rosa—
Sir CHARLES Pate observed, that he also ob-
jected to the person at the head of that Institution,
on account of his not being a naval person. If such
appointments were allowed to be made, he would
not be surprised to see some Captain of a Regiment
of German Cavalry afro holding some of the ap-
pointments in it.
The Resolution was then put and carried.
The CHAUSLLOR of the EEC)! EQUAL next pro-
posed—
" That it is the opinion of this Committee, that the sum of
410. be granted to enable His Majesty to discharge the ar-
rears of the aunaity that ass payable to the late Duchess of
Gloucester.
" Thut the sum of 30,na01. be granted towards erecting the
Military College of Sandlierst, in Surrey.
" That 90,0001. be granted to Lieut.-Ceneral Martin, as a
compensation for the kisses he sustained ia Virginia, as an
American Loyalist."
These Ili solutions were severally agreed to, and,
up es the House resumiste, the Report was entered
to be received to-morrow.

WAYS AND MEANS.
Upon the motion of Mr. HusaissoN. the House
went into this Committee, in which Mr. ForrLa
proposed llesolutioos, relative to the Countervailing
Uuti 111)011 Spirits distilled in Ireland, as he had
formerly stated in detailing the Irish B•idget.—
The.e being severally agreed to, the How.: re-
sumed, and the report was ordered to he received
to-,norrow.
The Paymaster General's Regulation Bill was read a so-
rood time, &het urdere4 to be entnaviited twesurruw.
I The Exchequer Bile Loan Bill, for,talia, was brought up,
read a first, and ordered to be read a second tints tu-rourrow.

Tilly CARNATIC.
Upon the motion of Sir THOMAS TURTON, the
'Order of the Day was read, for resuming the ad-
journed debate von the affairs of the Carnatic.
The lion. Baronet then resumed his observa-
tions as to the Resolutions he had yet to submit to
the House. As be bowed with deference to the
juAtiee of the decision that had already been made
as to the Resolutions that had been already guile
through--he should not allude to them so us to
criminate the Noble Lords who were the subject of
Ithem. There woe now only two remaining Reso-
lutioeu relative to the character of the acts that
had Wen place in India, which iinplicated, in a
great measure, the cliaraet.T of the nation. The
first went to the treatment of the young Prince,
A h Ilusaii, during his confinement ; and the se-
cond went to pledge the blouse in a Resolution
that it ilol not participate in any degree in such
tyrimnical conilin t as had been evinced upon that
cwe;,,,,,,ii ; hut was willing to make reparation to
the person, injured, so etc to rescue the British elm-
ract..c from i.nr islnim that hail attached to the
track:action. tic should, therefore, without further

eitgervationo, proreed to read his Iles°lotions,
whirl' were to the following purport
it appes,s to this House, that the person of is
Prince liosan w committ2cl to pillion, sod uutleilfr
mewling IV. 'visa as to the injustice et Ins bring
IJ:urea a. the ponce of his eiretoy, in a 11.101. i tie.../a4liiig state,
end his life emposed .tren4.-r from the Usurp..r•Thia I prune,
yrt 'list he Mar compelled to toutinee there tilt the tills of
Aptit, %thee he 'stied.
•
The next ilcsnlution
" That is Committee shunlit be eirmintol to inquire into
the circeinstauces of his death; and that there should be
an instruction to inquire nit, the le:it mode of resetting the
character of the thitn.h nation trum the eibluquj and odium
of the transaction"
Cpuil tile first of these Resolution's, a divisicao
took place, when there appeareil—
Against it
Fur it
OIL

Majority
Upon our return to the gallery, we found
Sir S. R 01111.411 animadverting upon the extra-
ordinary decision that had taken place, and the si-
lence which Ministers observed upon a subject that
implicated so materially the character of the Bri-
tish nation. He did net attribute to the Noble
Lords concerned in the transaction alluded
to, any corrupt motives of iseltisb aggrandise-
ment, but merely a mistaken conception of
what was for the inlvauthige of the East
India Company, and of the country in general. It
was, in his opinion, a false ambition, and the frost-
ent violation of every principle of justice. They
were not now to decide so much upon the charac-
ter of the Noble Persons in queatiou. but they were
to decide upon the character of the British Nation.
The House were now called upon to say, neltether
they should wake those action* their coin And this
appeared to him to be a most serious:it'd important
question for the honour and character of Britain.—
There had been men lately who lowered the charac-
ter of that assembly, as being actuated by tile
most wicked motives ; and could any thing make
a stronger impression upon the public mind, than
the decision that had taken place that night, when
there were only six members more than were no-
isessary to constitute a House ? This would no
doubt form a most instructive part to the
future pages of the history of this country. end
would greatly resemble the transaction* already
detailed of Cotten and Pizarro, in South Ame-
rica. in the same manner would the papers
already printed upon these trausactioits in India,
furnish most important documents for the history
of this country. It would be recorded, that at the
distance of some years titter they had taken place,
thy were brought under the consideration of the
British Parliament; the Ministers of the day de-
clined the discussion, end got rid of them, by mo-
tion* of the previous question. After this it might
be wondered what sorted' questions would be deemed
of sufficient importance to interest a Secretary of
State, or a Chancellor of the Exchequer, who
seemed willing to rely upon their majorities, and
to allow subjects of the most vital importance to
the r ountry, to pass through the House without
favouring the public with their sentiments. As the
question had already been much agitated by
others who supported it, it would be unnecessary
for him to enter into any detailed arguments to
bring the matter still under the review of Ministers;
he should therefore only advert to particular parts
of the printed documents before them. The Right
bionosirobte °Pattern:in then endeavoured to point
out the insufficiency and fallacy of the evidence
that had been adduced to prove the treasnuable
acts of the unfortunate young Prince, whose death
had been so unjustly occasioned by the Govern-
ment in India. The persons, on whose testimony
the Noble Marquis had thought tit to resort to
the measures he had taken, were the Vakeeis,
who had become subject to the influence of the
East ladle Company, and possessed places under
it; and as if this in itself had not been sufficient to
influence their testimony, they were upon their exa-
mination told by the Secret Committee, that they
particularly should entertair. feelings of attachment
and truth in all matters connected with the interests
of the Company; and that though they were
then in situation' under the Company, it
had not any intention to deprive them of those
situations, exee;it they should, by treachery or
prevarication, utter any thing injurious to the
truth and the interests of the Company's Govern-
ment hi India. These circumstances would have
incapacitated them from being received as Wit-
nesses in any Court of Great Britain. Yet even
the testimony of one of these met, thus traMed
and instructed, had not served the interest of the
Coinnany, nor the wishes of this extraordinary
Court of Jnstice. Another singular circumstance
in the copying of their evidence was, that though
they spoke in the Persian dialect, it had been
entered down in English ; and the reason: given
for this strange whim was, that having pioceede4
to examine one of the witnesses for a short time
in Persian, the Committee had found it would
not turn out as they had expected. Bet the
strongest ground of presumption for this Com-
mittee to give the opinion and decision' it had
done, was that which they had stated, namely,
the confidence and reliance they had Rn the testi-
mony of the Noble 'Marquis himself, whotexpreseed
confidently his knowledge of the treasonable cor-
respondence between the Native Princes ah-
lajaw and Onuint ul )mrah. Yet this opinion
had afterwards been adduced as a justification of
that Noble Marquis's conduct, who had himself
solicited and extracted it from the Committee.—e
But it, strange as it might appear, was no less the
fact, that iii the examination of these witnesses,
there was nothing mentioned by them of this t .es-
sr-melte correspondence, and the Ire.lsoli
for this silence was one of the west extraordinary
that perhaps had yet been given in acy Court.—
It was said, in the report of the Committee. that,
owing to the atrocious nature of this corrcvond-
ener, to which, as they had beets narties, it was sup-
posed they would, by confessing it, be involved
in a most unpardonable crime, they, therefore.
were not examined touching it. This was indeed
when it was evil known, that the more
atrocious the circumstances of the treason, the
more agreeable must it I.e to these by whom
they were csamitied. The cypher. as it had
beim called, in winch tho;e Princes had tor-
resooedecl, was untying more than that soccies of
rhetoric al figure, so listed its the 17.1,n. of describ-
isg persons by their qualities instead of their name,
Thus Tippcm had been called the Pillar of the
Yaltli—tha Eugliste the raze of ueiscomers; ea-

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other neutral person hid been cat led the wellwishes
of mankind. Certainly finch terms as these did
riot: constitute a coniidentiel cypher. Nething
could be more inhuman than the conduct of a
I Noble Lord (Clive) respecting the succession to
, the Crown, a hem he gave au option to the next of
kin to succeed to the Throtie, on resigning every
prryil• ge of liciyalty, except that of notairel
tioverentnty. Ihe letter of Lord 'Wellesley,
not .only authorised • this conduct, but further
required, that, if be should decline it, it should,
ILI the same terms, be proposed to the next:
anti if again declined by this Prince, his Lordship
should then establish the Cotupaey's Government
throughout the Climatic. 1' :is was put iu exevu-
time and, twenty-four hours after death of the
Nabob, the Prince, Ali Hu.an, was compelled to
quit the fenereal rites of his father, and produce his
eill fur the examination of his hereditary enemies.
Ou his declining to accept the terms on which the
throne was offered to hint, and bciug then informed
that he was but a private man, and in future must he
looked on with a jealous eye by the Company, his
1 lesitai lour bespoke that dignified serenity and pa.
tit:Ute, under unmerited suffering, which deserved
a better treatment. o The whole of the trans.
actions in India," said he, " are such as must for
• ever disgrace us in the eyes of the world, and ren-
tier our authority uncertain and unstable in out
vast possessions in that country. lf, as it has been
said, the Carnatic has been benefited by its change
from a Mishometan to a European Government.,
why has it not been done by open fore., and en
by insidious fraatts ? Why have the Mistletoes
maintained on this subject so profennd a silents ?
Nlliy have they not given us their ideas of the Sae
of conduct and principles of Gevernmeet which
should be maintained in India? In defiant* et all
treaty and alliance, our Government in India hue
violated the rights of independent nations, and
"Ministers have been content with giving a silent
vote on the subject. Let them break this silence,
let them give some account of the motives which
have actuated them ito giving their sate en this same
important subject."
Lord Caetteeeson, as he had been called en,
could not refrain from making a few observation
on what had fallen from the Hon. Member. What
was his intention in bringing forward the present
resolution ? The House had already come to a de-
cision on the resolutions of fact, mud determined
they were not tit to be entertained in this Hoare.
yet notwithstanding this negative, es deeidedly
given to these propositions, the present moieties
was calcnbited only to revive this discussion, and
declared that an inquiry into this subject should he
iii.t.tuted *birch. This application should the*
be considered by Parliament as altogether too late;
and he regretted that the efforts of the Learned
(gentleman, in the defence of virtue, in. °select, am!
the integrity of the British characteein India,ideeekl
have been altogether porthunsous, and could fend
to no other purpose than to expose that Paillanient.
which he suffered to come to a decision without the
guidance of his patriotic talents and refereional se.
curacy, to the contempt of the nation, and to the
indignation of both India sad the world. The
Honourable Member should bluih that be had
beau so long negligent, where the character of
Parliament had been so deeply concerned i and
sever had his talents been so ernmeendy and
inefficaciously employed, as in the speech be
had just made to prove the criminal eendect
of Parliament and the Indian Government, wheat
lit was too late to repair the injury. The conduct
of the Noble Marquis had been founded upon the
provisions of former treaties between the East
India Company and the Pi inert, of that country.—
There had (M/Vu express provisions in these treaties
that no secret coirespondence should have been
carried on between the Nabob and the native
Princes, and in consequence of the violation of
this article, it was thought necessary to make an
inquiry inure accurately into the probability of
its being a treasonable correspondence. It was
not necessary that an inquiry of this nature should
have been carried on with all the guterledness and
accuracy of exarnioatiou within bar. To timed some
executive act for the preservation of our dominions,
it was net necessary to have direct and incontro-
vertible evidence of the treason. It was only ne-
cessary it should appear, from the body of the evi-
dence, that the disposinou to insurrection existed
amongst those i'rinces. The House did not deo
inaud positive proofs of the intentions of France,
by sending Sehastiani into Egypt, to constitute there
a force which might hereafter overturn our Indian
Empire. The intention might, as in the present
instance, be discovered without positive and direct
test i inouy on the subject; hut from the circumstances
of the times, sad intimetions from secret sources,
the Executive might have been iuductd, and. to
doubt stare induced, to counteract the attempts of
France, %%A such success in Egypt. The same rem
Boning would apply to the care of the Nabobs ; and
he was happy to say, the came success had also ot-
tended the .%igilauce of the Noble Lord, and the
energy and vigour of his measures. The cypher,
of which much WO teem' saidl mutt sPPe" to
every man to have been used, not for the purposes
of a cemphinentnry correspondence, bat f. the
secret pstrposes of' treasor. To say it had heels
used for the purpo-e of completing to immerge Its-
tvvecti the fetimics of the Nobel, and the N 1 note,
was idle sod uticouod,,,l ; for it ihould he loco'.
lectetl, there was on this head pmitlve and &tit
testimony from Lord Conover:ls I,..seelf, that fre-
quent i °emit:Mentions hod been mole by di e
Nabob to the 31f•ore Government, of the views et
the t.:••••toriuy, and 6040 secrets which it had ab-
tanit,i through t',- medium of the confidence sub-
sistiug In•tween the tit o pow, r..
NI i. SNI:IIb.O4. ie a most perspeatons and elo-
(went s!wech, tepheet to the obsci vetione of the
No;,I•• Lund. It was impoosible fur him to sit si-
lent after the tUre•-t and tinsoeul application which
the 'obis i ••-J had made to him. He was sure.
front the ii..,,r, r itt which he hail .poker of him a
few eights Ins, k, that the Nol la Lord could not
have alkitied to hint in any thsresiscetful imiitiet.
Still it iTUI. surprising. that durio the five inii.u. es
in which he iNfe S.) was au-.t t. in the begins. , g
of h's stifoch, the Volite I .ortnia.l, he tinders's, • '..
mad, a per-octal otta• le- *omit hon. That he li, Sc
excused ; and should time ...fore only advert to r.,ft
inns? e,t,,,,,•,;;.,a,,.• speech of t.o Nohle 1-u d, '•••d
to tl• • in, • • •loctruie which he be I that rig'
promu;gafecL ioticril,l3. coutluded with a son. ~: ,

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