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ties of a Court was locked Op in the breast of 04
iodividual, though the parties had applied to him
iu bodies, persoually, and by letter, he could net
get one of theta, nor the solicitor of any owe of
them, to put him is possession of his case. with islet!
authority to make his own use of it. The reason
of this drewd snort be too obvious to need explores-
tron.—(l4eer, hear.) —There wee one apneal entered
in 1814, and it was at the heed of the paper in
1819. There was another appeal from the Rolls
Court in 1812, which headed the return on the table
and sew stood fur judgment ; and he could state
furry instances as strong. He knew a person of
Moderate income, who came to what he thought
a God-send, one-twenty-eighth of a oertain property
near Islingtnu; the shares were valued at 1.200/.—'
An amicable suit in Equity was necessary for the
adjustment. It remained in Chancery twelve years.
The adjudication was, that the property should be
equally divided. The man hud to pay for the costs
on his share alone 7501., and received after all that
delay 4501. into his pocket. He knew the case of
two -ladies on whom devolved a beneficial lease of
twelve years, by which they hoped 10 save them-
eelres from indigence.. The property happened to
he in actual raseuino of a rich fat attorney. who
perceived their inability to eject him, sticLwitlistood
them. A trial, however, was had, and a verdict
obtained. He moved for a new trial, which was
refined. But what happened ? An error was dis-
covered in the record. The case went up to the
Lords, where it remained ten years. One of the
ladies died before the hearing, and the other survived
the bentficirl lease, already nearly run out. It was
quite usual for a case to remain ten, twelve, or fif-
teen years before decision. It was a general con-
•iction in all branches of the legal profession, that
once in Chancery, no one could escape without suf-
fering severely. He knew that much was to be
raid in favour of justice, when it did arrive, and
161 the purity of that jurisdiction could not be
suspected. No question but every thing was done
by the present Chancellor and Vice-Chancel-
lor, to subdue the arrears of business, which
yet baffled the claim I f hearing to the suitor.
But all their toil was ineffectual. He stated
hit object to be, to replace the Courts of
Chancery on that high, efficient, and useful footing
which they held before, and release from their
functions that tendency observed during the last
two years, of enhancing the litigation mid expenses
of soils most immoderately. There were two Com-
mittees of Perlianteut cm this subject iir 1811 and
1812. It was then resolved, on account of the
flagrant expenses and delays of suits, that a new
Court should be established, to assist the dispatch
of business, to be called the Vice-Chancellor's
Court. The Bill was opposed in its passage
through the House by some of the greatest men—
among them, Sir S. Romilly, who exerted all his
eloquence to induce the House to refuse their con-
lent. When he mentioned that great and revered
man, he mentioned one who, for his skill in equity
jurisprudence, was equal to Lord Nottingham or
Lord Hardwicke, or any other, how great some,
who had adorned the jurisdiction of the country.—
la an evil hour the House passed the Bill, and by
that cot off the privilege of suitors in being
elite to claim hearing before the Great Seal ;
and so rest was the confidence in the sort of person
who was likely to be chosen. that hardly any cause
was set down in the Rolls Court, which could be
taken before the Lord High Chancellor of Eng-
land ; but the other duties of the Great Seal
estranged him from his Court, and business grew
so fast upon the Master of the Rolls, that Sir W.
Grant, a man of most luminous and acute mind,
was obliged to retire from it-9bserving. that from
the work he had his back was broken. As to the
proper duties of the Great Seal, the King might
appoint him Speaker to the House of Lords; but by
every definition in every law work, his chief bust-
cess was to administer justice in his own Court
with the least expense and delay. What would
Lord Hardwicke say if he had seen the day when
there was no approach to the Great Seal, but after
the judgment of the Vice-Chancellor, with double
expense and threefold delay ? He knew that Lord
Eldon was the very first property lawyer that ever
held the Seals; but how was he circumstanced ?
fie could scarcely get through a statement be-
fore a message came, and he had to pack up his
zones to attend a Cabinet Council. He was be-
come, in short. • Cabinet Minister more than a
Judge. Sir S. Romilly had prophesied of this
* tent in his pamphlet on the erection of the Vice.
Court ; he had finished his statement of evils pre.
dieted with that of the alienation of the Chancellor
from the business of his Court. He would prove
thst Sir S. Romilly spoke truth, if he could read
figures aright. In the last eight years and a half the
Lord Chancellor had heard 53 causes, the Vice-
Chancellor 2,3sB.—(Hear.)—Was that withdraw-
ing the Great Seal from his jurisdiction or not ?
He knew the pains Lord Eldon took to examine
papery, and save the trouble of reference ; but
would any one deny that he was drawn away by his
other duties from those of his Court
In eight years he had heard 157 appalls; the le-
tents on the table contained 109 appeals, which at
the former rate would take four years to hear them.
He knew that the Lord Chancellor had not a mi.
nate in the day to himself for all that. He made
other statements to shew the great increase end
"low dispatch of cases, and the vast accumulation
Crum appeals on the Vice-Chancellor's judgments
to the Lord Chancellor, an event which Sir S.
Romilly had anticipated, and foretold all the con-
sequences, both as to defeating the purpose of
easing the Chancellor, and multiplyiug expense and
delay in the suits. He expatiated on the horrors
of what he termed an equity ordeal. The Noble
Marquis certainly had no bed of roses, tett it were
better for him to hold his place in the House two
additional months every year than to become a
suitor io Chancery. Then he would go to the
House of Lords. The preamble of the Bill by
which the Vice-Chancellor war created set forth,
that, " whereas the number of appeals had of late
years greatly increased, therefore, as well as for
the better administration of justice in the several
offices of the Court of Chancery. it was necessary
that another judge should be appointed ;" that is.
it was necessary that the most considerable part of
the husiticie of the Court should be ownfided to a
Deputy. By the return of the number of appeals
hoard in each year since the appointment of a Vice-
Chancellor it appeared, that in the first year they
were 6; iu the second, 84, which was certainly a

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Rest number in the third. 54 ;in the deal, 40::, then
95 ; then, ire; then, 41; then, el; slid lastly', 46.
The woe the rate at which appeals had been dispelled
of iu the last pine years dean to the 10th WY.
180. The number then to be heard, and already
appointed was 12e; the total number of appeals en-
teeell.was 155; which, taking the average of the
nine years which hr had enumerated, gate 38 as
the number heard in each year, it would take four
year• to get rid of. Was that, he would ask, a state
of appellant jurisdiction to which • suitor ought to
he sobject, after having been forced through such
course as he had already described, in the Court of
Chancery ? Ilad then the object of hartenitig the
decision of appeals, arid affording relief to the suitor,
been answered by the results of the Vice-Chancel-
lor's Bill ? The Noble awl Learned Lord at the
head of the Court, and the officers of the House of
Lords, said that unless mime means were takeu fo►
geniug rid of the Scotch eppeals, they never should
be in • better condition ; curl he heard that there
was to be another tribunal for the purpose of
those appeals. Take away those' appeals, take
sway the bankrupt business, arid the motions, and
he would ask whether office of Lord Chancellor
would not then he half a sinecure? He knew that
there was a necessity for some better regulation of
the Scotch appeals; and the Judges in Scotland
had wished to have an intermediate jurisdiction ;
taut the Bill for establishing the office of Vice-
Chancellor had set said, that idea. He sated,
therefore, 'whether looking at the ancient constitu-
tion and jurisdiction of the office, it would not be
better that a time should be fixed at which the Act
creating the office of Vice-Chancellor should he
taken out of the Statute Book, and some other
more effectual modification he given to the admi-
nistration of the Great Seal ? If they were con-
vinced of the truth of what he had stated, he would
ask, whether, as honest men, they thought the
debt due from those Courts to the suitor was amply
paid and satisfied as it ought ? If they thought the
Suitor had no right to complain, then no language he
could use, no declaration he could offer would be of
power to persuade the House toconfarm to his views.
But he was satisfied the House would not suffer
these things always to remain as they were at pre-
sent. He would ask, whether the House did not
think that some measure ought to hr adopted for
improving them ? whether it could refuse to sanc-
tion an inquiry, whether the establishment of a
Vice-Chancellor's Court had effected such a change
as it ought, arid whether it might at some future
time be expedient to substitute some other measure?
Till lately he had entertained hopes that the illus-
trious individual who at present held the office,
seeing the evils that so manifestly existed, would
himself originate some Bill for their removal. That
noble person told him he disliked his plan, sod
wished him not to press his motion before the Easter
recess; with which wish he readily complied, io
hopes of some proposition on the subject proceeding
from him. Since then, howe►er, that learned per•
son had told him that he had come to the deter.
initiation of resigning the Great Seal—(Hear)....
though he aid not say when—(L•►ighter)—and
therefore lie did not like to originate any measure
on that subject while he remained, but preferred
leaving it for the consideration of his successor...
(Hear, and a laugh.)--He (Mr. M. A. Taylor) did
not feel it to be very material to himself what plats
might be adopted, but he was convinced that some
measure or other was necessary for the cure of this
crying evil, arid he therefore told the Noble and
Learned Lord that lie felt it to be his duty to urge
the subject upon the consideration of Parliament.
lu the performance of that duty it was, that he now
moved, " that the House will resolve itself into •
Committee of the whole House for the. purpose of
taking into consideration the Act passed in the 53d
year of his late Majesty, entitled an Act to facilitate
the Administration of Justice." He would then
state that it was his intention to propose to the
Committee to recommend that the said Act should
continue in operation for two years longer, and at
the end of that tense that it should expire, and be
followed by souse other more advantageous measure.
The Arroamay-GurraAL said, he could not
for • moment imagine any reason why his Hon.
and Learned Friend should not at once have moved
the repeal of the Act to which he had alluded, in-
stead of moving for o Committee to inquire into
that upon which the House was able to decide at
once ; for his Hun. and Learned Friend had made
up his own mind upon the subject, forming his opi-
nion from returns which were before the House,
which shewed, as he conceived, that the effect of
that Act had been to create such an additional de-
lay and expense to the suitors in the Court of Cllllo.
cery, as called for the interposition of that House,
and that interposition he conceived should be direct-
ed to the cutting off one of the existing branches of
that jurisdiction, which he contended did not con-
tribute to the dispatch of the business of the Court,
but enhanced the delay which lie sought to remove.
His Hon. and Learned Friend contended, that in
consequence of that Act, the attendance of the
Lord Chancellor was more given to the hearing of
appeals in the House of Lords, but that his .itten.
tem was thereby withdrawu from the other business
of the Court of Chancery. (The Hon. and Learn-
ed Gentlemen then entered into • warm panegyric
open the ability, sea!, and conduct of the Lord
Chancellor in the discharge of the duties of
his station, and upon the assiduity with which
he attended to the business of the Court,
where lie - sat from the month of October in
each year to the month of September following,
devoting even those days which were usually kept
as holidays to the discharge of the molt pressing
business of his Court.] Ile thought the attention of
the House would have been mach better employed
if it had been drawn to the-present state of the bit.
siness of the Court rather than the returns upon the
table. They would 'hew that, except with respect
to the appeals in the House of Lord., there wa■ no
accumulation of business; for there was no cause
now on the paper which had been set down for •
hearing anterior to the last term. HIM lion. and
Learned Friend had mentioned a case of au amicable
suit, instituted by is parry entitled to the twentieth
share of a particular sum of money, which was le
years pending in Court before the money was paid.
. Unless under some particular cireninstaticers, such
as the minori►y or absence from the kingdom of
some of the patties, which were not unlikely in ■
case where twenty persons were concerned, it ap-
peared to be utterly suipoasible that an amicable suit
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where delay eras caused by inch circitmalineei it
he hid mentioned, no biome could attach to the
Court for such delay. The Miser case which had
been mentioned of the writ of error in ejectment, had
nothing to 'to with she delays in the Court of Chan-
cery. His Hon. and Learned Friend said there was •
great number of appeals on motions ; but • motion
was very often in fact a hearing of the cause, and
by its result terminated the Suit. 'Flue same was
the case of appeals to the Chancellor from a hear-
ing Wore the Vice-Chancellor, which was in fact
nothing more than the rehearing of a cense, to
which every suitor had a tight, even formerly.
when the cause had been heard before the Chan-
cellor. The impression intended by the Hon. and
Learned Member's statement evidently wee, that
in consequence of the establishment of the Vice-
Chancellor's Court, fk Lord Chancellor sat at
home at ease, and lAA/eery little to do, compared
with the business dispatched by the other branches
of the Court. How far that impression accorded
with the fact, would appear from the returns
before them. It should be borne in mind that
while Parliament was sitting, the Lord Chan-
cellor attended in the House of Lords three
days in the week to hear appeals ; and it
should also be recollected. that every thing which
came before him was of great importance, and in
most cases strongly litigated. In the year 1821
the Chancellor heard eight causes with exception..
—(Hear, hear, front the Opposition benches.)—
He understood that cheer, but it should be recol-
lected that the motions to which he should come
presently were for the most part the same as causes.
He also heard in the same year live pleas on de-
murrer, 57 petitions, 103 bankrupt petition., 245
lunatic petitions, and 418 motions, every one of
which, or at least the majority, were io fact causes.
In that year there were 890 different mutters 'dis-
patched by the Court of Chancery ; in the year 1820
there were 1,015, and in 1819 the number was 1,111.
Looking at the figures then, no man could say that
since the establishment of a Vice-Chancellor the
Noble Lord had withdrawn himself from the busi-
ness of Ins Court. He came now to the appeals its
the House of Lo-da. The number of appeals dis-
posed of in the Lords front 1803 to 1812, the tea
years preceding the establishment ache Vice-Chan-
cellor's Court, was 193 ; in the ten years following
there were 419 appeals disposed of. How then
could it be said that the creation of a Vice-Chan-
cellor had led to increased delay in the hearing of
appeals ? The Han. and Learned Gentleman then
enumerated several appeal causes which had occu-
pied a long time iu the hearing, and the decision of
which bad been greatly forwarded by the in-
creased attendance which the Lord Chancel-
lor had been enabled to give ia the House of
Lords, in consequence of the establishment of •
Vice-Chancellor. The number of Scotch appeals
had certainly much increased, and if they continued
to poor in as they bad done, undoubtedly some
other means must be adopted for disposing of them.
But so far front the number of appeals before the
Lords requiring the number of yews which hi. Hoo.
and Learned Friend had stated to get rid of, if they
were proceeded with at the awe rate as last year,
when 48 had been disposed of, they would require
zither less than two years. In no branch of the
business of the Court of Chancery had any case
been made out of any arrear of which the suitors
had any right to complain, and still less of such an
accumulation of Wiriness, or such an increase of des
lay or expense as to call fur the Intel ferenee of the
House to operate the changes which his Hots. and
Learned Friend required ; and lie therefore felt
himself called upon to give a decided negative to
the motion.

Me. WILLIAM. (of Lincoln) admitted the pos-
sibility that the claims of the Noble and Learned
Lord at the head of the Court of Chancery to the
warmth of panegyric with which his Hon. and
Learned Frieud, the Attorney-General, had spoken
of his vertices in the discharge of his judicial do-
ties, might be perfectly well-founded ; he aI•o
admitted that his Hon. and Learned Friend was
perfectly competent to judge of the validity of
those clainio. But he should riot attempt to follow
the coarse of his Hon. and Learned Friend, or to
juin in his encomiums, for fear of weakening, in-
►tead of contributing to his authentic panegyric,
because he had not had the same opportunities of
judging which his Hon. and Learned Friend had
enjoyed, and the little dist he had possessed
had not been of the most favourable nature ; for,
almost the only experience which he (Air. W.)
had had of the mouser in which that Noble and
Learned person exercised his judicial powers, was
on an occasion in which he appeared in the ambi- i
guous character of party sod Judge.—(Hear,
hear.)—Leaving therefore panegyric upon the No-
ble and Learned Lord out of the present question,.
with which it had nothing whatever to do, he would
proceed to the un,:ion of his Hon. sod Learned
Friend, which was perfectly consistent with the
view which he had always taken of the subject. He
was quite at a loss to discover how • reference to the
papers before the House could lewd to a conclusion
adverse to the preposition of his lion. and Learned
Friend, which :Sm., turned on the ground that
the butanes', of the Court of Chancery had taken
a new directiou, which was injurious to the suitor,
and which led to an increase of the number of ap-
peals ; for, if any body would follow down through '
the returns the causes heard and decided by the
Vice• Chancellor, he would ILA them to exceed in
the proportion of ten to one the tininber of those de-
cided by the Lord Chancellor. lie contended also,
that the operation of the Vice-Cliancellueo Bill, to
increasing the number of appeals, sod driving the
suitor on from one Court to another, had greatly re
grawnlell the complaint, winch was as old as the
jurisdiction itself, that if a person once gut into
Chancery, he could never get wit again.
Mr. 11. Twits and Mr. WETHERELL rose ■t the
same time, and • 'mortal call Willi mode fur Use
latter, hut the former Gentleman having caught
the eye of the Speaker obtained the iirecedence.
He detailed to the House the results of his calcu-
lations from the returns on the table, 'hewing the
pruporttou of every branch of Chancery husin•sa
disposed of by the Lord Chancellor and the Vice-
Chancellor sine the creation of the latter office,
and that not only had no accumulation or
smear of business taken place, but on the con-
trary increased dispatch, and a rapid reduc-
tion of the pre-exieting wren of business. He
therefore contended that there was no reason for
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the present day, into the coustitotion of oar Courts
of Justice.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR replied, and said, that year
after year, n long as he saw the evils of which he
comPluined continue to exist, he Would renew his
endeavours, and persevere in his exertions to effect
their removal.
The House then divided—.

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Ayes

Majority against the Motion . 67
MINISTERIAL PENSIONS.

Mr. emuavow rose to submit his promised mo-
tion. He was aware that at that late hour he Is.
bowed under a considerable disadvantage in bring-
ing forward tins important subject. When last he
had the honour of addressing the House upon that
question, he merely moved for some documents,
which were to make the foundation of the ulterior
proceeding, which he now called upon the House
to consider, namely the propriety of repealing the
Bill commonly known by the name of the Pension
Bill. He knew that when he called upon the
House to adopt • measure which went to take away
42,000/. a-year from the Administration of the day,
paid in pensions, he imposed upon himself a most
difficult task ; but so fortified did he feel in the
unparliamentary. nay, iniquitous character of that
Bill, that he was not deterred from taking the sense
of the House upon it. His allies upon the occa-
sion should be public opinion through the pub-
licity of their proceedings and the forms of Parlia-
ment, sod he was confident that even though he
should be left in • minori►y of twenty to-night, yet
ultimately that Bill would be erased from their
Statute Book. The course he meant to propose
was, to submit certain Resolutions, containing the
facts upon which the House were to decide, and
when these facts were in the shape of Resolutions,
and before the public, they would be able to form
an opinion upon them. It would, perhaps, save the
time of the House, as well as trouble to himself, if
lie ►hould take the Resolutions as his test, and re-
mark upon them as he went along. The first Re-
solution was—

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Resolved—" That it appears to this Howse, he an Act
passed in the 67th year of his late Majesty. e. 66, that •
auto of 42,0001. per annum is charged in perpetuity upon the
Consolidated Fund, to be divided in pensions among certai•
persons who shall have held certain public offices under the
Crown for certain periods of time, viz. six pensions of
3,0001. per annum emelt, to such persons as shall have held
tile offices of First Commissioner of his Majesty's Treasury,
or one of the principal Secretaries of State, nr Chancellor of
the Exc►equer, or First Lord of the Admiralty, for s period
of not less than two years in the whole, either isainterrept.
edly or at different times. Oar other pension of 3,0001 per
minuet to any person who shall have held say of the last.
mentioned offices, without being subject to any linsitstion or
restriction whatsoever, as • duration of service. Three pen-
Mons of 4,0001 per 'anima each, to such persons as shall
hive held the offices of Chief Secretary for Ireland, or Se-
cretary at War fur soy period not less than bee years is the
whole, either uninterruptedly or at dill:Tent times. Six
pensions of 1,5001. per annum each, to such persons as shall
have held the offices of one of the Joint Secretaries of the
Treasury or First Secretary of the Admiralty, for any period
not less than See years; and six pensions of 1,0001. per
annum each, to such perilous as shall have held the offices of
the Under Secretaries of State, Clerk of the Ordnance, or
Second Secretary to the Admiralty, fur any period out less
than ten years."

The second Resolution referred to the pretence
upon which the Act was founded, and was ale
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" t. That It appears be the preamble of the last-recited
Act, that such sum of 42,0001. per &nests is provided fur
the different persona therein seamed, or secant of, and as a
caimpeaation for, the abolition and revelation of different
public offices by other Acts then sad there passed, and which
will deprive 11w Crown (as therein is stated) of part of the
means by which his Majesty had been heretofore enabled to
recompense the meritorious services of persona holding, or
who have held, high and efficient public offices."
Hitherto it was for the Crown to find out the me-
rit* of its servants, and the House of Commons was
applied to in order to enable the Crown to confer
rewards where they were doe. But by this Bill a
different course woe pursued, for the House of Com-
woos took the power into its own hands, for which
reason he should propose the following Reso-
lutions :--
" 3. That althoogii the said Act of the 57th of his late
Majesty, c. 65, professes is its preamble to supply the Crows
with sew means it reerriliPSllSing the services of persons
holding, or who have bend high and efficient public office",
no application from the Crown for such new sources of pa-
tronage, by message or otherwise to this Rouse, is to be found
upon its Journals; that the said Art appears to have precis-
ated solely from a Select Committee of this Howse, and which
was partly composed of persons who, from their official si-
tuations, would themselves become entitled to the lemming
created by the Bull ; that this Select Committee was •p-
-pointed is the year 1817, during the premier of great public
finanirial distress; that the sole object of its appointment (as
appears by the Journals), was to examine into AN public
revenue and expenditure of the country, and more en.ecially
to ascertain what relic f road he afforded to the people by
the mine-lion of such expenditure; that this Committee,
nevertheless, so appointed and so composed, did, its their
first Report, recommeed the nation of this Dew and burden-
some Pension Fund upon the people, fixing, at their own dis-
t-tit on, upon such persons who were alone to possess it, ad
in what proportions, and leaving to his Majesty the authority
of his redo only in the last resort over pensions thus created
by his Isis (svelte of themselves."
" 4. That antecedent to the Act of the 57th of his late
Majesty,c. 65, it was unknown to the Lagged Constitution
of 411111 Isiordoin that the abolition and segselseion of useless
or overpaid ogees were to be porchaeed and paid for by
peasious ft om the public, to persons holding gla and efficient
public offices; that the power of the Crew. to dispose of its
revenues le ferour of the abject has hero greatly abridged
within the last two centuries, without say claims for
compeneetion by pensions being made from the persons
who then held high end airiest public offices ; that
wenuua, useless, and overpaid offices have been abolished and
reeulated dorioe tee seine period, paitestarly by the Art of
the 23d of his bite Majesty, e, 89, whereby differeeit °dices
of considerable ensistament in his Majesty's Ezell, quer were
abolished, mid others having profits to as enormous sanoisid,
were regulated and reduced to a definite and COilleariiiVtly
moderate value, bet that no compensation by prosien foe
curb abolition and regulation was claimed by the peruses
who then held high sad efficient situations."
These were the facts on which he mesut to proceed. This
gave him an opportunity of remarking on what h.ed beets
said by the Noble Marquis opposite, on the debate relative
In Ambaesadors passions. The Noble Lord we., Oki, very
high minded—(A laugh)—" What !" says he, "would you
dis.rigover the monarchy by going into the Consieisieer He
(Mr. Creevey) was at a lostv to know how the monarchy could he
more din rigottrod titan by the proceedings of the Commit'. e
alluded to in the Resolution. The Noble Marquis might I.lk
as long as he pleased of dinnigorring—(A Isegb)—aye, Sir.
dis•rigokring ; the teem writ not has; he should never think
ut OSi/1K such II word. Be hail borrowed it from the woe.-
bolary of the Neble Marquis—(A langh).-he was never
more surprised then when be heard it. lle welshed to
sheet whet had bees the practice of Parham/est at va-
rious times. In 1782 he found a message from the IK'ne
to the foliating effect:—" His Majesty has taken into
censidee•tion the supply granted by Parliament, rind in
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le hi. C... 011.11110011 le adopt the mote effectual plan
of ecomonty." Now if that retrenchment was accessary at
the mod of the Americas war, whew we bad cooly a debt 44200
millions, bow much more necessary toss it sun wheal (lint d.l,t
was increaued to 800 enillioss.—(Hear )—This system was
perfectly woe. Bet supposing it were not, and that it had
been the practice of Parliament to propose reward. foi
public men sod to marshal them out like clerks, there one.
was such 1111 atrocious, shaiiilaslale bargain as was made he.
iween these pensioners and the public. The fifth
lion which he should note read referred to that part of the
subject
'• 5. that in addition to and Independent of the precedini
objections, as affecting the origio and priutiple of the Pro.
shin 11.11, the eossraet which is lb, reby art up between
pensioners under the Bill, and the public at large, i. w id,
out any adequate consideration or advantage on the owl or
She nation; that the YrifiCeS to be prospectively abohi.lo.,
or regulated, by the Art of the 57th George lii cap.
61, Ilt, 63, 64, 07, sad 84, forth a limited part oulY ..t
Offices of the smile description, which were all it. e.ile.!
upon as lit to be abolished or regulated by the e.t.a ..•
this blouse, in the years 1812 and 1813; that of tin.
*Seel to he prospectively abolished, those of the too Cli.et
Justices is Eyre, of the value of two &mends lour.e.
per lee.. each, are the only ottee whirl) have bees usually
granted by the Craws to persons who hive held high mot
effiei,nt civil offires, and that of the Aim: to be prosper.
lively regulated, the principal regulation is, that the dr.
tin of such offices to be proportionably r.gulatert. The pro.
eipal regulation is, that the deities of such offices shall be
performed by the holders thereof in pete,ti, belated of by
poly, the appuistmeet to such offices, as well as of *alarm.,
hero; loft at lbs male discretios of the Commissioners of
Majesty's Treasury; and yet in return for, surf by way
purchase of these prospective, partial, aid indeaniteasrbit ,
the people ate to pay, from henceforth 42,0001. per
iu perpetuity, to the airerest publie Strrauts of the Cruesu
who are named in the Pension Bill."

The principle oa which the Pen;ion Bill was muicileard
was, that by its operation many places had been altogether
abolished; but with very few exceptions, sill dal had been
done was, to iotrodoce so isdelnite toad of regulation. Am
Hun. Gentleman near him (Mr. Betakes) had slated on a for.
inen occasion that be (Mr. ereevey) bad voted fur throe en.
!temente; bat the Ritl to which be gave his support, pro.
teased to have for its object the abolition of all offices whieb
had un employment. and to regulate those whtrh had; and
there was his difference between that 11,11 aad the one they
were now discussing—namely, that arrordnog to the
which he voted, all the salaries of Ina lea fains west to i.e
saved to the public. At that time he took die Hon. Mrrnher
fbr a sincere reformer, but sever was refurme• so dis•ripu
—( Laughter )—He was surprised that a iriKVI. Geolicmaa
the Hoo. Member could list introduce a maa%are of such vs t
utility as the one to which be hod alluded, sad afterwards,
when befell into the campasyof the Noble M■rvaisaud others,
support a measure which gave additional salaries, and for
only two yrars service. Now with a view t►at the amain
might form some conPctere of the vest savieg which hat
been effected in the coarse of five years, by a measure of
economy which had emanated from the great Cotlurtl of toe
nation, he should propose the following Bes,datiorti—
" 6. That from the retinae which have been made to the
Moose, of offices already abolished or regulated ender
Act last mentinaed, and of pen/loos received sailer the Pea.
moo Bill, the following appears Ic be the result of the col-
leen between the pessiosers claiming under the Kasha* Bit
and the public at Inge, up to the Kemal period. lo &g-
-land, offices abolished, those of Cletk to Ike 'Wardell to the
Mint; saving, 92f. 10s. per annum. Stamper of Weights;
saving, 150/. per annum Total saving in Ragland in lee
years, 342!. 10s. 10 Scotland, üßices abolished, viz. Admt.
rat; inving,l,ooo/. peraonnwe. laspeetor of Military Road.;
saving, 200!. per aansm. Offic v vacant and subject to
regulation, Lord Registrar in Scotland, late value 1,20 W. ;
but no saving returned. Raises Sarneanbrincer's Odiee
Scotland ; saving armors! SON.; and the °dice of Teller,
live Exchequer in Ireland, late value 1,3001. per annum; keit
no
atavism/ returned. Persian% which have received his Va.
jesty's sign manual, under the Pension Sal', to Hilary Lot.'
Pomona Badmouth, 3,0001. per anneal.; and to the Steil
Hun. Henry Goolburs 1,11101. per annum; the latter pentam
being eirspended by the Pe.taion 8,11, :111 long as Mr. Goal_
burst but& the office of Chief Secretary to She Lord brute.
✓ant of Ireland!'

" That ibis Hotter is of opinion, that had the dicer a
Clerk to the Wooden of the Mint and Stamper of Wei&
in England, cod she offices of Vice Admiral mid lmprio.-
of Military Roads in Scotland, remained as the disposal of
the Crowe, looted of bring abashed, they would net
have been conferred by his Majesty tease [Leary Lord
Viscount Sideuaih, as • recompence for Ms service., in
the different high cad efficient sitaalions which he an
held, and that even if they had bren all so eosferu .1
upon lord Sidmauth, their united profits are very nib-line
in amount to the pension he now receives as a comeensation
for the loss of them. That it Appear., murrover, by a der-s-
-weat lately laid before the !Lust, tier in the ;ear
Henry Lord Viscount being they First Con,
mil:sinner of he Majestj'a Treasury, did grant to hi.
sun, Henry At:Min:ton, the offire of Clerk of the
11/ England, of the I value of 3,9001 ; and !bee
Lord Sitliwoufb or his family have received the profits a.
arch office fur twenty years although Lord Sidatosiholuris4
a greet portion dem+ time, bee held different offices of err''
emolument uuder the Carsten; that Or office of Clerk if
the Pelt. was, al the time it was last granted, and is .T",
as office metaled 'slimly by deputy ; hut by one of tie
Arlo of regulation, before referred so, the duties of an.
arm at muse future period are to be performed by ,1%.
principal in person. So that Lord Sidmuntb, or bis famil,.
receive at presto 3,0001 per annum as the profit oi'fi.r
office without bring 'abject to soy iegulailon whatever, icd
Lord Sidmuutb rreeires a farther sum of 3,0001 per 1101.11111,
as a compensation for some nijory which at as preemie •
some other person may sustain by some future resultant,.
this office when Lord Sidetuutb's interest, or tiat of in
timely, therein shall cease."
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He did mot wish to go oat of his way to sty any thing marivi
of Lord Siderostb, but be believed the greatest admirers el.
the Noble Lord would admit that hr was not likely to esjiy
a more lasting or distinguished plate in history than Lard
Godolphin or Lord Cbstbairi. Yet butts theirs Noble Lardy
only coudeaceoded to mile one politest, and that from the
Crown. He supposed Lord Sidniouth received his remittal
too from the Crewe, although one of them would seem le
have been eouferred by boroself.—(4 laugh )—Bs shoal
now propose the final Resolution :-
4 8. That this House is of opinion, that for the House of
Commons to provide pensions for the principal fiervanq
of The Crown by Committees of Its otos, and without
shy application from the Throne fur such purposes, isms i r.
(armee with the isn't prerogative of the Crown--aa abuse a
that power over the politic money, with which this House •
intrusted by the Cnimitiiiiiiti•••••Nliti so initilersioti• Ohm re • •
the people; and that time erievitroe is«ill torslortobte"'
by that new dud degrading prior i ple rot the Pension fig;.a ,•• •
compels the people to pin chase from the ki.vantsof 1* ti-.•
very abolition ur regolnt ion of a useless or overpaid
'flirt after all the sacr;ficis *Mai have hero made by the mot
and industrious population of those kingdoms; •1.1 V•ier
that u•parallehd dieters a ith le hi, h a great stortioo of Holt
population is at present alllicteil, they sre rnfttlid fadeout'.
tea a muter of right and justice, sad not of pa/thaw, the
nbulition aud regulasiou of every useless and overpaid Wire-
in the State whatsoever; and that in coelsormity to all emu
just and reasonable maims, it it the opinion of this Hose•
That the Pension Bull of th. 57th alms late Ala-
jesty, c. 85, ought to be repealed forthwith.'
He had sow stated to the House the motion which be had ti
*Anna. Lie knew hr should be lift to • til•llrd 111•11 of.,.
yet be knew that sliest the enlidhietted opium, of the toss.
try would become acipaiiited with the facts clock he had
elated, as once or litter the Bill would be removed bow thee
statutes —(H. or, hear.)
Mr. DANCES said, that the lion. Member •100 14''
just sat down nut only •upported the clauses of the Ml't
11414, bet what was more m•terial, the principle of Me 8;
which be was now reprobating. And a hat cal the ern( •
ale of the Bill' It was thin, that every udire to lib
a salary was lIIIIChe.I without any to perform shesd
he abolished, and that those whir!: hail duties %tumid Mr"
alleged. lie k gew of no other sound principle uslot
thr y ;should proceed. Mr. rill he, in his vety ablee
extrusive pixie of strotot, did sot cot:trotplate 1155?...*1641

ellgi emir, oacm, but admit test Hap some ahotild bg fetateti
by the Batteuttve Gameness, to tempt tante to then assist-
sure. 'the save priori* wag 'teenaged by the Comemittee
of which Lord Colchester tree Cheinien. He should sot MM..
tan to my, that he would meter the Bills of lit! and lea
to that which was now ou the statute book. But he would
sot reject ell the g. 04 he cobid get, because he could not
get all be wished. He was of opinion that the period of
service was too shat for which penyluns were 'rowed, wee
that would not induce hint to cement to the repeal of the
present Bill; for'ibe couserieenee of that repeal would be,
to worn to the same state as we were in before, sod come_
wetly all eisteeuree valid be revived. If the motion were
adopted, it *sold be to Must en the Journal. the speech of
the Heu. Member, which we. comment aas Act of Parties
beet, sad such a pruceedeg would be willies' a:precedent.
Lord Sittnenith had passed stony years is es arduous case,
Ite therefore did not tnink the pennon was too much. He
Shoneht it Very fitting that the Croths ihowid have the pester
rewwdine meritorious ermine ; he Imo it might be
"Vti,l that might be duos through the Home of Commons,
lot that wneld be a templet, departure ft ors the sys-
tem of the Couttitution, Bud would be twenty tines more
onerous and expensive than all the sitiecute places put
together. He therefore mowed as au amendment, that the
other ()Memel the Day he now reed.
Mr. H. G. BEN N ETT def nded himself from the charge
of tatesai+lefory in apportiog the preseet mulitoo, after boy.
jac stippneted the Bill of the Hoe. Gentleman (Mt. Bank's).
ley that Bill 112 offices were abolished, and 320 regulated •
.stotyrat in the Pension Bin osly 27 eines were aholishei
tuft! mutant,. The Hon. Geetleman said It was sere..
eery 10 the Crown to retain these °Mem as rewards of merit ;
Ist looking from the time of Ike Revolution .10 the present
• 'llase, It would be found the reverse was the Net;
Alf wowed ha found that all these ogees wore given to
iorme. Serials greet taellilmts es the side of the Mi.
• mew, otter he had Met the eoskdetne of the people.
The Bus. Gentleman (Mr. Bankee) said it would be more

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expensive if the Howse of Costumes were made the medium
of reward, which was rather • *regular argoinent for the
Hon. Dentlemau to war; but is his (Ur. Bennett's) opitdoo,
with the cheek of public opinion (Wile as it was), it would
have been impossible to bare got Parlismeat to vote a
pension of 3,0001. a year to Lord No.lmouth. It might
seem well to the supporters of the Manchester masasere—
to these who passed the six Acts—to these who hired and em-
ployed spies—for theta it might be well on agree to a pension
to my Lord Sorlasouth ; but by him, who thought all these
measures affixed a stsi• on the character of the country,
it never could be approved. He would give the motion
his hearty support, even though it were to bring with it
that melancholy result which the Hoot. Gentleanau seemed to
fear, of gelling rid of all the el...cure. places.
Mr. RANRES and Mr. BENNETT explained.
The Ma►quis of LONDONDERRY said he never lir.
tem/ with more pain as an Englishman, than he hail to the
speech of the Honourable Member fur Shrewsbury. Mr.
Parte saw or these offices, which he so much repro-
bated, a nicest of rewarding merit, while the Honourable
Geetleman could see nothing in them but the menus of
cerrapthm. Doubtless the Honourable Gentleman thought
my Lord Sidmoutb one of the worst Hume Secretaries the
century ever bad ; he (Lord Loodonderry) thought him one
of the best, from the teupera•re and firennest with which he
executed the doties of his office. He knew his Noble
Priced
ass, end by those who sat *rotted him, because he made
them feel the hand of Goveroment was sufficient to main-
tain the public tranquillity. He left the Chair of that House
from a sense of public dray. rood it was no disparagement to his
eharaeter loamy, that when rompared wills Mr. Pitt or. M r. Fox,
be did not rise to the stsodard of genius in public life with those
great men. The history of his country would sufficiently
shield him from the degrading trompartson which the Hue.
Gentleman had attached to his name. There was aothing
In which he was so little liable to attack ■s on the ground
of interest. It was well known to the House that be filled
the Chair for 12 or 13 years, sad from the personal feeling
aide Majesty towards him when he quitted it, to take upon
himself (by his Majesty'. desire, almost by hie ewsrma•d) a
higher office, it was felt that some provision should be made,
bet that his Noble Friend peremptorily refaced. Whin he
retire', end Mr. Put'. Adminiatrstion was formed, It was
Mr. Plies wish that he alight leave • provisioa, mid his
late Majesty sent hie rommaud to Mr. Yorke to pre.
pare a messier to the House in conformity; but Lord Sid-
month, from ►emethieg which hail occurred at the dose of
big administration, declined to receive it....(Hear,
The Hen. Geutieman bad alluded to a delicate circumstance,
sad commeeted on account of an office conferred o• his

non; now though he (the Marquis of Londonderry) would
think it diegrarrful fur • Prone Minister to proscribe his
own family, yet he could out envy the Hon. Ge•tlrmsa his
feel** in ;ermine the document elm the table, knowing as he
asset that Lord thdatouth could derive so personal hearth
from It. He apologised to the House for having said so much,
but he could not, as a Gentleman and a man, sit silent and
leer nn attack which be shooed the must disgraceful that
ever were teetered in the British Senate.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, be predested against the tone
used by the Noble Lord. How dared he, a Meuester of
t e Crlll.l
The Maequis of LONDON CHERRY rose to order. Wk■
he heard the word "dare," be pressmen it was oieant that he
bed said something monied the ureter, of Parliament ; if so
it was the duty of the Hon. Gentleman SO have railed him
Weirder at the time, and to have had hie words taken down,
and don have takes lite Renee of the House upon it. He
(lord Londonderry) prulested against the Hon. Gentlensa•
being disorderly now, instead of doing his duty at the proper
time.
The SPEAKER said, if the expression west need nreorelb.
in, so the osteepretation of the Noble Lord, then mopes-
tioaably the Hun. and Learned Gentleman was disorderly;
but if it were used as he bad frequently heard it (nol as the
Noble Lord bad interpreted it), then it was within the
hounds of order. Wheu in the warmth of debate words
were need which he did not immediately notice, the House
would not think the Chair was ele.erting its duty. He
thought he best consulted the dignity of the Howse in
mot minutely critieiemg expensively as he might by it
often make an offence whele mine was meant.
Mr. BROUGHAM said he should have bowed with equal
Teepee' to the decision of the Chair if it had been *gamut
him, as he new emerged thanks for the manner in the
Speaker had preformed his high duty. Any person hoe the
Nobl► Lord (whose warmth lie could excuse) most limiters
that the expression was used by him in the way which he ►ad
tweed is applied again and again ; and as he bad take. the
Wiens/ of 111,0711. K WV/hen he saw a Minister of the Clown
geresmo g he mast be driven from the word dare to one
'of solo r bus the sane meaning)—presuming to charge
a rep.e•• peewee of she people in that House for doiag hie
duty, ii. tangoage eac► as no Ministe► of the Crown had
shoots. pleased, p►esumed to use. (The Masts Lord might
have the choice of the word, he might go through the whole
vocabulaey of the Beiglisli language, nay, ►e might go
through his own eucabutary, which wens not English.) .` Dia.
graceful I)ssgn•tsag!" There might be such things,
he douhted it not, but he we. mot-of-them ; there might be
those who deemed it disgraceful, bus he was not of the
number. it was of the use of Idaguage only that he
was specking; it was one thing to think and an.
other thing to speak ; end he never yet heard a Minister
of the Crown otter words like those in a Member of
that House in the discharge of his ditty. He hoped be might
he pardoned a hole witeattb of language at hearing such
words applied to • very dear and mach-valued friend. The
llon. and Learned Geodesist' defended the conduct of his
Hug. Friend (Mr. £seeery) in alluding to the appointment
to the Clesksbip of the Pelle •a one which naturally grew out
Of dee subject. The Hon. and Learned Cseutleman cusec;nd.
ed by declaring, that be would cordially support the motion.
Mr. B. BATHURST made a few observations.
Mr. CREEVEY, iu his seply, disclaimed any intention of
personal reflection to Lord Sidmouth or any of his family.
As the asueodineist was t move the other (Ceders of the 134
he would move hie Resolutions as amendments upon tack
order, after Sailor Ilse sense of the House vu the test.
The Melee then divided—
Few the amendsneat 143
Fur the original question 42

Majority lOl
The ether 0-dere 14 the Day we theta reed—Mr. Cree-
"l's geaoluttoes were semeny put we awleudmeute, and

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*steatived..-1M Oar"( ,4 94 Boon
adjoakesd at HALIF.PAST eCLOCIL

MAJORITY AND insoturr
Apices and for • Committeo to isgain lets she Coodiet Of
the Lord Ad.ooS4* of SCOSillad--4111111 IS.
(The Int Shy-eight bate places nosier Goverment.]
MAJORiTY.
Arbuthsot,Rt.Ho.C.Grawies, Lord Ostmansey, Sir P.
Beresford, Lord G. Gontborn, H. Osborne, Sir J.
Stoning, Lord Gifford, Sir R. Pairnerstou, Vise.
Bathurst, Hon. S. Great, A. C. Peel, Right Hun. R.
Brogan, J. kluskissoa, Right Ptsillitoore, Dr.
Bergh, Sir U. Hon. W. Phipps, Him. E.
earthen, Sir G. Hope, Sir W. Plookett,Ri. H..W.
Calvert. Jobs Hoffer& G. P. Paget, Hon. R.
Copley. Sir J. 8. Hill, Mr G. Robinson, Rt.H n. F.
Canning, Rt. Ili n.G. Holmes, W. Si.wiertet, Laird G.
Clerk, Sir G. Koos, Hon T. Villiers, RI. Hit. J.C.
Congreve, Sir W. Lowther, Vise. Vensit tart, RI. H n.N.
Courtney, T. P. Loraine, Lord Wallace, Rt. Ho. T.
Cruker. J. W. Long, Rt. W•. Sir C. Wilmot, R.
Campbell, A. Londonderry, Man Mitres, C.
Creoborne, Lord Limbo', Hos. H. Warrender, Sir G.
Drummond, H. H. Lewis, T. F. Ward, R.
Douglas, W. R. R. Martin, Sir T. B. Wellesley, R.
Dundas, Rt. Hn.W. Kaniagbtes, R. A. Wpm, C. W.
Premastle, W. Walleinv Lord C.
Alexander, J. Diily, J. Peens J.
Atwood, N. Drumainuil, J. Peorutidocke, J. H.
Blair, J. Dun, Sir A. Rise, Hos. G.
Bastord, E. P. Egerton, W. Stagers' E.
Bastard, J. Forbes. C. knish, C.
Basle*. H. Forrester. F. inteffirtros,Rtills..l.
Bask G. Gillseri, D. G. Sands., Vise.
Belfast. End of Hooldtwerib, T. Stewart. A.
Brodelielt, Lord Holborn. Lord Saeyd, N.
Ware, R. Hardinge, Sir H. Tuwnabend, H.
Browne, P. Heber, R. Tit iss,-111.

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Cush Hon. E. Rem D. Taylor, G. W.
Cast, Hoe. P. Lowther, John Thompson, W.
elsogliton, T. Lurk G. Ure, M.
Cartwright, R. W. Martin, R. Wood, Cul.
Clive, H. Manuers, Lord R. Wirdshuuse, Hn. J.
Carteis, E. J. Musgrave, Sir P. Wodelsouse, E.
Cooper R B. Halms M. Wynne, Sir W. W.
Chands, Marquis Nightingale, Sir M. Waves, T.
Donning, .1, Plumber, J. Wilson, W. W. C.
Divett, T. Pringle, Sir W. Weep', I.

MINORITY.
Allen, T. H. Greatll, P. Palmer, C. F.
Alihnrp, Lord Griffith, J. W. Phillips, G. jun.
Bowies, A. Glenorchy, Lord Powlett, Hub. W.
Baring, H. Guise, Sir W. Price, R.
Bernard, Vise. Gurney, H. Print?, lion. F.
Bennett, Hun. H.O.Gssiell, B. Rubinson, &r O.
Bernal, R. Hamilton, lard A. Rice, T. S.
Brougham, H. Hubhouse, J. C. Ricardo, D.
Butterworth, J. Hooywood, W. P. Rowley, Sit W.
Benet!, John Hveme, J. Robarts, G.
_ _

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Beainck, Lord W. Hutchinson, Hen. Roberta. A.
Buxton, T. F. C. H. Rumbold, C.
Calera', J. James, W. Russell, Lord J.
Ctleraft, J. H. Jervoise, G. P. Scarlett, J.
Calvert, C. Kennedy, T. F. Sefton, Lord
Cavendish, H. Limb, Hon. G. Smith, J.
Cavendish, C. Lashio'', J. G. Soak, W.
Coke, T. W. Lemon, Sir W. Solid', 8.
Colborne, N. R. Lloyd, Sir E. Smith, G.
Crompton, Sam. Lennart, T. B. Steal, Lord J.
C y, T. ll.nshisitos S. Tavistock, Marq.
Calthorpe, Hos. F. Leycetier, Ralph Taylor, M. A.
Davies, T. H. Lockhart, J. J. Tierney, Rt. Hn. G.
Daman, T. llaberly, John Tiichielii, Mug.
Dundas, Hon. T. Miedonalit, James Tulk, C.
Dioramas% Vise. .Mackinioth,Bir J. Western, C. C.
Dashing, W. J. Marlin, J. Whitbread, S C.
Ebringtee, Vise. Maxwell, John William., John
Ellis, Hon. G. A. Milbank, M. Wilson, Sir R.
Fertusst, Sir R. C. Merck, J. B. Wood, Alderman
Atilipursll,Lord W. Mitatpn, Sir T. Williams, W.
Fils,oy, Lord C. Newport, Sir J. TELLER..
Folkestone, Vise. Nugent, Lori Ahercronsby, Ho.J.
Grattan, J. Nor manby, kfrd. Grant, J. P.

TO TILE EDITOR aIP TUE 311171511 PRESS.

St. Mares Vestry-meta, Dublin,
June 122, urn.
Sta—The atteetiee which you have always paid to the
affairs of Ireland, will, we trust, muse Ibis istresion.
We regret to Sad that it seems wow most uulikrly that
say of those great and decisive immerse for the ami Sore.
tioo of the state of this country, which you have to steadily
advocated. can possibly be carried is the presets' Sssiuu;
under this conviction, our felluw•citi:ens anxiously turn the i.-
attention to miser objects, in the hope that some of those
advantages which are denied us is the gross, may possibly
be realised in &tail. To obtain a reduction of the taxa.
lion of t►is country seem to be one of the most prominent
modes by which such miaow reliefs may be reached, and it
has in that view received a tall share of consideration. The
views which guide us is ibis pursuit, are very clearly
detailed in a petition from the pariah of St. Mich■la, fur the
repeal of the remaining Assessed Taxes in Ireland, which
appears in the Dtsblin Morning Post of the 20th instant.
and which has been sent to your address ; a closely-printed
copy of that detainee' would not occupy much more than
half a column of your weldsble Paper, and by drawing the
public attention to It, a very clear view eitiold be afforded,
Sot °sly of the actual relief which has been extended to
Ireland by a reelection of taxes is the present Session, but
also of that species edilatsacitst justice which she receives
at the hands of the Legislature. _ _

The reasoning of this Petition Is considered to be very
(tote and couclosive, and the opinion is very g Ily enter-
tained here, that the attiation of the press, and the eons&
queut influence of public opinion, would in nil probability
es its success; to attain this object wnulJ be really to
do more for this country than the contribution of thousands,
nod in this view your attention to the subject is earnest!,
implored. It is expected that when the Petition is renewed,
mu order will be made for its being printed by the House of
Commons.

When it was discovered, through the means of representa-
tions from this country, that the relief by the reduction of
the malt ditty (which had been staled limb by Lord Lnorlon-
derry mad Mr. Vaosittart ■t 400,000/.), would be, in fact,
Qtly 100,000/., the latter gentleman admitted that itelsnd
had • claim to • farther reduction of taxos on account of
this particular circumstance, and referred such claim, in ge-
neral terms, to the consideration of the Horse; but since
that time, nothing further has been heard of the subject;
the repeal of the window and hearth lases being exclusively
for t►e account of the present reductions coaseg•enl spots
the gement of the pensions for naval and military sec.
sires. The reference of the Chancellor of the Exchequer un
that orcasios justifies the lion of the claim is the pre-
sent instance, as it mum, if jam and necessary is the one
case, be equally so in the other.
We fuel, however, that we are trespaming at teo'great
length upon your patience and attention, and with a sincere
seu.e of the obligations which Ireland alreedy owes you, and
a benstfelt and gratefel sekuowledgment of them, we re-
nnin. Your faithful sad obedient Servants,
(SIM"' ea behalf of the Committee or Si Marfa Parish),
JOHN lIVIIULLEN, tjterelarr.

IRA LAND.

DUBLIN, JUNE 22.
ASSESSED TAXES.

ST. MICHAN'S PARISH.

An adjourned Meeting of the Householders of St. Michan'a
Pariah we* hrld yesterday in the Vestry Room, pursuant to
Requisition, fur the purpose wf tuuuid►ring the propriety of
Prtstiorsing Parliament fur a total Repeal of the A ed
'rase. iis Ireland.
illsuanas Alallholland and John Ball, &qrs. Church-
wardens, were in the Chair.
After the busittess of tot meeting had hero opened, It was

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Inner' by Mr. B 1 Harr ILO RI. Minium'. Parish
should forward • griitio• to "Parlisseeent, praying fur dm
total repealer the sisormed laxem is 'related.
The Remplitioo was scomefiali Ta)1114) sod on be-
ing pot (mil fbe.Ciali,li ped ananlsoesly.
Mr. Hickey this nscormetritet • Committee of fire shosld
be appointed to Pettiosi forthiwith.
Me. Tayldr sucoadod this amolutioo, which also passed
oriniernerty.
The folks/ring Geotlemen were then named on the Com-
mittee :—Mr. Hickey; Mr. Mafia, Mr. Staunton, Mr.
APlHolleo, led Mt Taylor.
Those Gentlemen then retired for about twenty minutes,
and relined with the draft of Al petitiim; of whirl, the fol-
lowing is • copy
To the Right Honourable and Honourable the Coin-
moos ofulte Gaited llClngiloss of Great Britain and
Ireland in Parliament assembled ;
•The Petition of the Houeekolders of the Palish of St.
Michas; in the City of Dublin, duly eotivenetl in Vestry
by public advertisemem,osi the 16111 of lose, ien,
Humbly Shewcth—Tbst poor Petitioners approach your
Hoemerable House with SW espressos of thi sr eratiiiitle
ssloshietinat repeal
taxes is this I
a' That
to state t
that their
been adi

grounds
urged ;

rather ,
arrangement
Parlamest

empire.
" That the general premiere alb, timer, and the decaylog
trade of this country, compel yore Pettiiimers to look with
conceal atientloa to the rubjeet of taxation in general; and
they cannot adequately express their reget to find that in
the two prominent Mason.s of relief which occurred in the
present Session, the hopes originally held out to this coun-
try have ended In disappointment. In she ease of the redne.
lion of the malt duty, the relief originally promised amounted
to 100,000/., and in the present imitance• it amounted to
250,0001., making a gross sum of 450,000/., white in the
sequel It turned out that the surreuder of
lest instance is.. only 100,000/, and in the present little
gsore than 170,0001, in alt 270,0001 ; in both these cites
'Om amount of relief originally named was clearly and us.
questionably apportioned to Ireland, and the surrender of
',wenne to the extent of the specific sums already stated, was
'thoroughly provided for by the wisdom of Parliament; as
He nose, however, sow mond., the Treasury rum Mum to re-
'Wye the di/femme between the full sum of 00,0001., the
revenue which was promised to have been surrendered, and
the and ',dottier' which has liken place of 270,0001., a
thffersmee. year Petitioners submit, aniumatimg to no less
this 198,0001. yearly.
"Your Petitioners respectfully submit to your Hosoure-
hie House, that they do not prefer the claims which they
low submit to your Honourable House foe relief to the Ma-
teat to which it had hems originally promised, on the special
grounds of such promise, nor because the taxes reduced
-Were estimated at the particular Rims named ; hut on the
ground that the sum of relief apportioned or allocated in
both instances to !reload, was not only clearly net forth,
but also that the amount of r consequently to be re-
linquished, was fully and effectually, and indisputably pro-
vided for by the Inistature.
" That sick surrender of revenue should be 1110 provided
for, and that any part of it should afterwards coutioue to be
levied in the form of timeline, year Petitioners submit, is
contrary to those great first principles of jnasicr and equity,
the correct appliestioe of which, in Man matters of fou•ses
M account, can never be mistaken.
" That while your Petitioner acknowledge, with greet
ratiiude, the adventages which Ireland is likely to derive
4ism the repeal of the hearth sad window taxes, they are
equally called upon to
support of their present Petition, the total inadequacy of
the reductino of the malt duty, to which they have already
referred, in affordiag any real, or praetical relief, there Isar-
iug been no consequent reduellow is the price of either ale
or porter to the consumer, nee any probability that such re.
durtion will take pine.
"That your Petitioners respectfully submit to your Ho.
moveable House that there is no species of taxation so de.
cidedly opposed to the best interests of this country, and the
application of which is so incompatible with its acknow-
ledged poverty and its present waste, as the assessed taxes:
your Petitioners submit that their repeal would be a power-
ful inducement to the gentry of the cooolry to reside al
home ; a result eminently calculated to alleviate existing
evils, not only by the expenditure of that wealth which is
now withdrawn from the country, but also by giving to the
poor the moral superintendence of the rich sod the edu.
cued; by creating employment, whilst the direct obstruc-
tions to industry, now originating in taxes upon a ts,
clerks, shoprnen, Sm. are widsdenwo; by promoting con-
siimptioo, and the consequent interests of aericielmae from
the repeal of the tax on horses--increwsiog public accosting.
dation and private comfort, by the repeal of the dusty oet
the various descriptions of carriages, and especially ofjaoht-
ing.cers, indispensable in large towns for the purposes of
health and of exercise: and is the country, for the ettendareo
upon public worship; afford*, at the same time, effectual
relief to a class of our artisans, once numerous, wealthy,
and respectable, but latterly greatly depressed by the hare
dens resting almost exchmitely on their trade—the comet.
makers, harness-Makers, amid the other branches dependant '
upon that manufacture.
" That in praying of your Hononrable House the total re.
peal of the remaining assessed taxes, the net produce of
which is at present ender 120,0001. yearly, your Petitioners
bomb!, submit, that it is deer and indisputable that obey
ask for no sacrifice of the ee , injurious to the public
service, and which has not been already and amply proelded
for; the prayer of their Petition being in that respect con-
fined to the simple entreaty, that your Honourable House
would take their case into your serious consideration, for
the purpose of adjusting the claims they have now 1111E161y
preferred to your Honourable House, upon those correct and
equitable principle., which are alike applicable to public
mid to private obligations.
" Your Petitioners therefore pray your Hononrable Hones,
that the said assessed taxes may be repealed in Ireland."

The Petition haritg been read, it was moved by Mr.
Hiekey, and seconded by Yr. Moony, that it s►ould be
adopted by the meeting.—Passel iinkojmonsir.
It was resolved, that it slboald be iatroisted to the rare of
the Committee, in order to hive it regressed sod forwarded
for presentation in Sir Robert Shaw.
The thanks of the meeting were then voted to the Church-
warden, after which the meeting adjourned.

PARIS PAPA ItS.

PARTS. JUNE 23.

It is stated I■ a Journal that the FreweliGovernmeat has
confiscated at St. Jean dr pird Port 1,000 remade mod am-
munition, destine.* for the Spanish Insorgents.
The Journal de fa Balite Garonne, of the 17th instant,
contains the following intelligence from Spain :
Letters from the frontiers of Spain, dated the 13th inst.
elate that a troop of Spanish royalists, from 0 to 700, were
a few days since wear the frontiers; they disperbcd in the
moontaiwi, and endeavoured to cut off the mininuoications.
The garrison of Fig seemed to fear a .aurpriae. A roy-
alist party attacked the constitutional troops out the 11th in-
stant at 111aussnct, bat were repulsed,
The Royalists of Cerdague are marching upon Catalonia.
We know Mile of what is passing, sad scarcely dare write
ti, truth, the letters being intercepted.
Letters from Bayonne of the 13th say, the intelligeoce of
the approaching arrival here of six companies of foot mid-
key, and two of light artillery, caused some diarmietode, bat
the following facts prove that there is no Interrapticia, of the
amicable relatioas between Spain and France.
The Spanish refugees have laboured with prodigious acti-
vity withia these few days to ateeleraie their preparaliows
for entering the Peninsula, bat giriag publicity to their pro-
ject., the police made durnichary visits at their ...eidetic...,
and it is added that the Freueb Cesium, wired SO muskets.
The spools Government has eiviiird to the Frpaeb

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referees en the frontiers and chiefly al Palms, sirs la pro.
crest Abib 151,M to 41beuvat wad Avilei' , .....•
COOS?* NITINOPLC 111111 T 25.
The (basil *l;W* has ordered Ilve .eimitnetehli of *it nest
Ave, awilla aswiett all at the areenat. Tii, tante
Paste leo porno Ashslie troops in Mina, sad meatiasted 14
viol* the Ilbth *) March to the Nor*, without rateable
Samos. 'nit Reis Effendi hia declared that the Islands 'hall
be subjected in a nsontll, and the Ilflprea is too months. The
Divan appears to have adjourned its decisions reeardifie
Tanis till the Gerrit.' are subjected. The nomination or
spiders of Walhehia and Moldavia appears in be post-
CNibid. Some assert that the Porte will appoint Memo!-
ue, which appears possible, mein/ she prevent situntion
Remits. The Divan sheen much firinorsi; if it mike'
covireestous they are merely verbal pronsiiies, which are not
repeated because: they err that Europe is contented. There
is no talk of sending it C.untioisvioner to the frontiers to ne.
'whale with Hittite, which the Porte would consider as bu-
milisticia.
To deprive the Greeks of all kind of interest in Europe,
an endeavour is inakisw to raj,e against them the Cathulies
and Armenians. It is known shit the other Christina of the
...i retard them with an evil rye us account of their lade.-
wealth.
t. is still filled with slaves, who embrace the
.of Christians to lecture them to purchase them. There
instaneee of the notenaninsity of individual Tusks.
'he merchants of alliN 11111.1se lives were guaranteed lit
Strangford, were elselated, without exception, the 151
• their properly has been confiscated, and their faint.

4 78 Primslassf Chio, who were kept so hostages its
Castle, have bees iwassarred. The vilisees which yield-
to the pommel*. of N. Memo, the French VlentArtgadti
sweawnced to dim an amnesty, and ettarrosteed hs ex-
ecution, fooad themselves crwelly deceived when they had
delivered up their arms; the Asiatic troops pet the Ishabi•
tants ofl3 of thee is death with the most cruel torments.

• non *rum
,tisfsetinii for the repeal of the hearth and wiewlow Etat
rigs
is Ibis Kingdom.
try and w
at poor Petitloners, nevertheless, consider it their duty Th.. R.
'e to your Honourable House their previous hopes, k
of
'tit claims to she repeal of these team would have are imam'
'milted by your Honourable House, upon the varioul +he m,
▪on which they bad bums al often •od so poweifully Lord sirs
sad as a participation (however small) to that int- or N.l,
reduction of loam winds had been previonsly ex-
to the more &climate population of Great Britain, i ices
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than as their properties of the relisf, which, bY Gal,
▪ of the mistime fog naval and mihtary services, " tw the
went hos hem escuoircostbkil W onameale MtM wha espe
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