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the Order of tLe Day f...r the noose vin; into a C,.rnmittee
of Supply-
111r. CIIEEVEY rose and said, there had not been a single
day from the rofuamortuneut of the &sums Sisal petitouns
had nut liens presented and grievances complained of, and
in nu one instance bus the Hon. Mensher prestmling it Lad

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mikiLhia.own.pwraturat teathinetoy to the triable-ISi Miiirs;'-1
Mints; yet the Goeernmeut hail taken no ski., and told
owl no hopes of relief. There hail been two attempt. made,
wit h3l-0111 Ho& Meinber fur Aberdeen, awl ibietter by the
t timber for Csimberfleita, but both had inert with ihe reale
fate, buthYaid beets rejected by that Houk. Haring Oafs
turned their harlot on the distresses of the country, they
bed row come in the ordinary course of business to vats
the services of the year •ith the same iiiiliteresicy, •as if
the country, instead of being ou the eve cif bankruptcy,
was in the most fluurishiug condition. It was quite im-
noestbk for him, with the apathy, the indifference, nay,
the contempt which the Hutise had sheen to the dia.
tresses of the country, to Nonlegal to go into a Conintittee of
Supply. In what be Was ghoul to observe, be begged to be
nuilerstood as not intendiug any thing pet-sweat, lie bad be-
fore remarked on the great number of official persons who
were in that. House—no less than seventy Members were, as
he might say, regular annuitants ou the public, who eat and
voted there, ittid it was quite impossible under such
circumstances that the public should have fair pley
That was the first grievance of which he had to cum-
plait.; another was one which the Hunourieble Member tur
Montrose bas intended yesterday to have brought specili-
early before the House, had a House brew made, which be
regrettevi was nut the ease. The grievance he eureka wee,
the exlstinee of those officers called Collectors of Laud
'Fax and Dirtributurs of Stamp.; and he viewed it as a
grievance, because he always considered those offices as
the property of that House. If any doubt were entertained
on that herd, they had only to call some of taken to the
bar of that House noel inquire by what lucky chance
they became possessed of their lucrative sit uations. Thus they
had one hundred and forty great sinecure offices given by
Ole Ministers at the recommendatiou of Members of
Slat House. to the Mutton' and dependants of the latter;
with the seventy Mewherr cuustrutly in the receipt of
itablic money, was too strung au iufhienice fur the public
pd. They had, to use a familiar phrase, dim their filigree
deep in the till to do justice to the cash account. In
ntailug that, he did not shut his .1(.4 to the oilier branches of
Ileffilence; to the pstrutingeof the Customs soul Excise, which
twirled through that House; neither was he blind to holism
ampointeneuts, nor the Colonial Establishments, nor to the
Estimates new berme the House. All those thump made the
House too strung for the people, and his opinion was, that
all those things should be brought before the House previous
to going into the Committer. The Houourable Member'
concluded by moving as an senendatest, That the House
would take into it. ctmsideratioa the number of Members
hulding tilikes of profit uuder, or receiving pensions bum
the Crown, and eunsideriug th.• expediency of thiniuishiug
the weather, and it appearing by the Report of the Finance
Committee of 1807, that seventy Members of that House
held unites senonoriog mutually to 150,0001. and upwards;
it further appeared that in the present distressed state of the
eonntry, no relief 'timid be expected but Gum au tudepeudeut
House of Commons.
On the question being ;mi—
lord PALMERSTON rose and said, he could scarcely
think the Hun. Member war quite serious jet the amend.
meet which be had moved; he considered that it was wily a
mode by which the Hon. Member iotended to cell to the
idleutiun of the House the sehjecto to which his motion
referred. It was a siugelar thing that the Hon. Member
had founded his proposition on the Petitions of the people
tit that House not having been atteaded to, when,. in 'mut
of fact, the majority of the Petitions were on the subject
Of the agricultural distress, es which a Committee had been
appointed, and yet the Hun. Member said nothing hail Deets
done. The House must be aware that the pay of the army
was voted to last December only, and that the Nutley Bill
would expire this month ; he was therefore persuaded the
Member did not menu to press his ieotiuu, but merely
hileudedru record the consieteury of Ida opinions, agreeing,
rts Wester-did, In the propositions made ekven years ago.
Pc BENNETT said, the Hon. Member cupid not mean
to stop the supplies. He thuught that lie bad chosen well
his lime for Imagist( forward his present motion ; but he
Gould not mean, if it were carried, afterwards to vote no
muney till every subject that his motion alluded to had been
examined. All Ord he aimed at was, to give a pledge to
the public, suit he hoped the lion. Member would not only
press his amendment, but, if rejected, again bring it for-
ward lu the Navy and Ordnance Estimator, and on one of
these occasions he trusted the House would nut have brieu
worn out and fatigued with debating fur four buttes a sub-
ject which no tine but the Mover of it thought worthy of
Mr. CA LCRA FT said, that hostile as he was to the Gen-
tlemen opposite, he could not, to eratify.asy feeling of hosti-
lity or party, consent to stop the wheels of Goverumeut by
voting for the Hort. Member's menden/esti Concurring, as
he did, with much that had (dice from the 11011. Member
respecting the undue influence which was exercised in that
House, yet he could not al once. amid without discuesiuti,
come to a vote upon the proposition. He might ibilik the
fence proposed toot large, but same force was necessary ;
the moue, required might be too much, but still the army
most he paid, and the Mutiny Bill also must be renewed.—
The Noble Lord had ever used the renewal of the Mutiny
Bill as a reason for expediting their discussions, but he
might take a vote sufficieut to ground a Mutiny Bill for a
short period, suppose to pass the Mutiny Bill to the Ist of
May, and to let it regularly extend to that period in future,
he had no doubt it would be egreenble to the Noble Lord
and to big suceessors, it' indeed he ever were to have a sue-
cessor.—(A laugh.)
Mr. CHF.EVEY explained.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said he should oppose the amend-
ment, on the ground stated by tho Hun. Member (Mr.
Calcrafi.)
Mr. HUSEISSON begged to observe, that if the Howie
adopted the amendment, they could nut go lulu the Com-
mittee of Supply
Mr. BIONCY eapreased his determination to vote for She
amendene at.
The House then divided, when there appeared-
Fur the original Motion 172
Against it
Majority 134
On our return to the Gallery the SPEAKER putilictereas
bun that he should now leave the Chair, when
Mr. Mite ruse nod *aid, he meant before he
sat down, by the motion with which he should
conclude, to place upon record the state of the
military force snit the expenses attending it now,
us compared with a former period. l'he view he
took of the question be was about to submit to
roe House was Vialilar to flint eistertained by the
Finance Committee in 1817, at *hide time they
recommended en approxienatton to the estinistes of
1792. tie was fully impressed with the opinion.
that no relief could he afforded to the public with—
out a great diminution of taxation, and that could
not be effected without a great reduction of the
expenditure. At in early period of the Session
the Chancellor of the Exchequer hail led the
11 use to believe that a million would be saved,
compering the estimates now on the table with the
estinia.u. of the ye,r isl 7. A comparison of the
estimates would *hew the flutes.: how the matter
'rally !dood—
le, 1817, the Estimates fur the Army, Navy,
and Ordnance, were
lu 1821,the Estimates are

So that there was in 1821 more than in 1817. L. 401337
lle *Mg anxious the Hauge should malt-wand au
ob►ertaiion whiell he had made b rote. He
thou4lit flail the Secretary at War should come
down and state at once the whole of the expense
of the military establi►hmcnt; for Gentlemen were

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not aware that when they were called upon to vote,
as by the estimates on the table, 6,643.9601. it was
only shoot two thirds of the amount which tiny
would be called tpou to vote. For in 1820 iliey •
voted ot!IL13,8074061. byestitnater,tithen the ex rs
tune siaa upwarifil;f nine gallons, so that thrre
nit thous were voted by driblotant &Ifcrept times, hut
Icsa than fly ffereut use, haying been _take u_uu.
• eccounilif the'rdititry FsTATiiihmeni. The HMI;
• here led to beiieie ifirit..15,"143;08/. 'would, be the
experise.Of the Military eitablishMent tor the year
184 1, tito they would Lid that 11,04441 E *thrrortli,-, .
nail; Of the Oydrunice, 9,000,000/..would be. mt.,
wired. object was to *hew what the -military.
roalilialirnent was in 1792, the piriod to which the
Finance Committee bad recommend#d•an.wOrdoc.:
ntation of the estimates, Mid be called partitilairtio
upon V.nit class who wireF4fled the landed4stMeir. .
and would beg. to suggest ,to thorn that to-Q-v.,. •
had come down le the price of 1792, wucto-r
t was nut a probability of their incoincs CO!tli
down also, wig he would impress upon them tine
absolute necessity Of bringing down the exprad,-
: lure to the: settle.of tiat year.
lu 1792, the Cavalry an lafrntry in Great Britain
Wrre
to the Copulae,.
1r Irekassd
To which was afterwards added.... 3,232

15,231

Makings total of molar troops of 4tt,474
Now the House would look to the regular troops (di
the present day
la Great Britsia we have ' 117,151'
In lb. Colonies ' 7Y,49tf *s
In Ireland s 20;771

Making; a total of Bl,lOB
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So that we sow, in 1821, !Ad ;1A,6,12 two Inv e
thou in 1191. Ile wait xis, waling to allow
12,000, Moil feu uu.s etiten4oiti Colonial posiessioo).
sod !poseurs auoe that, there leaisain be au exec.*, of
1:),000 regain, trumps. He vault! coil t
.11., to relives!. 10.000 of them, sod that would
kayo • earples of 14,030 NMI j or even suoilo-itig
that 15,000 were alloied •fur the new colonies, a
greet reeks would 'Stift ripirirt. lie,,woulli now
touipare. 141,Irsricutrir
...form at the twe period..
lo'l7§l. •

!keys! Attains? o . t 000 •A•ft. 3.730
Verities
Militia. he had taken she somber, ati they •ppeareJ
trt_37l3. Ant having beers able to find a change
• for say is 1792
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111alilefa Setif of irregular force d t5,757
In 11191,' be hive--
taril Artillery
arinea .. • • • 8,000
atailtdiag to the Estimate . • 51,190
Yeomanry sad Volunteers in Greet Britain
Volunteers In Ireland
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Making • total. at whiciitkw Hommwouldf
1za—,492
be surpriami, of .• •••
men in arms. ready to bt out at six hours
notice sat !cast he knew in *Wand thy yeomanry
had turned out at that notice. Witte tnllt{itt also
if might be remarked, that it could hardly be .any
thing but effective, as he found a staff established.
He would call elm. Members to look at the state
of this country vs it regarded foreign nations
in 1792, and compare it with the. present state.
The /lonia would now see, by his comparative
ststement of the military establishment of the coun-
try in 1792. and at the present tune, that the num-
ber of the regular troops was 32 63.2, and of the
irregular •Ibrees, 99,735 more now then at the
former period. nisking together' a difference of
132,367. He contended that the House would not
do its duty if it allowed so enormous an establish-
ment of regular troops, at a time when we liad on
foot so imposing i force in militia, yeomanry, and
volunteers. He called on the Members of the
Committee appointed to inquire into the distress
usider.whielt our agriculture was labouring, to coo-
sider'Whether they would not do more towards its
relief by compelling • reduction of this vast este-
blishmerit, and thereby diminishing the taxes, than
by any scheme of raising the prices of produie.—S
( Loud cheers.)7-If they were sincere in their de-
sire to relieve the country, if they had any regard even
for their own iudividual natereats, he called upon them
to apply themselves to the reduction of this overgrown
military system. He had already shown that •
the number of irregular forces alone on the present
establishment, was more than double the strength
of the regular and irregular troops united, on the
scale of 1792. The Noble Lord, on a former occa-
sion, when he was called nn to reduce the amount
of the establishrneut, referred to the extent of our
colonial possessions, and the force required for their
protection, for which the militia, yeomanry, &c.
were not assi!able. He was ready to allow that the
increase of the Colonies since 1792 might require .
an addition to the number of regular iiifautry, hart
he must call sport the Noble Lord to spew why
there should be such an increase in the life guard..
dragoon guards, dragoons, foot guards, and other
farces, which were not available for general service.
The difference between the respective establish-
ments of those corps in 1791 and the present year,
are follows :

1792. 1821, Differeice.
Life Guards
Nurse Guards 261 344 83
Dragoon Guards
Drartuuus
Fuut Guards 3,126 0,760 2,634

6,574 14,612 8,034
Those numbers were exclusive of Officer.. An
increase in the number of the regular
might be requisite to meet the deonond for It e
gArrisolis of the Colonies, but here was no increase
of 5,0118 rank and file, of a description of forte
kept on foot for no other purpose hut that of sheer
and parade, and to do the duty of the metropolis.
The number of these troops had been unnecessarily
increased greet measure by nu trienectssary
Crelitie of the number of seotioels .Lout the tow...
In )70 the einenber of mrti moulitinoc guard
daily in the metropolis was 663, which furnia led
159 peatt mei% ; in 1816, the date of the last account
which he had been able to get at, since which time
they had been increased, the number of men on
gu.srd d oily was 9.16, and the number OF 'minim •
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236. Every Hots. Member who knew toe st. t• •
the ite 1794, must be eniovinced dna'
there was nothing at present to require Ibis to -
crease in the number of guards, the only intention,
, therefore, of the increase must be a love of parade,
By a comparison of the Estimates of each dercrip-