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very gteat oneesehicl
We must recollect. 8
engaged as agents fc
to Vienna the money
rial Majesty was Ali
try, and on which P
of Europe might dep
not necessary that
retain the good op
anxious to support Al
est. and most import
the Government of
aft with promptness
fation, endanger the
Sir, that so strongly
for this accommoda
sihility, were it to do
pressing circumstanci
I should be almost
this Muse, though t
dread on earth. In
that on my own ri
money for the pui
have steted my
having done so, an
their displewere, I
judgment, anti reeei
may think me dose
respeetful humility ;
to have escaped th
have followed me th
the country ensue.' from my timidity and a..
non. I considered the embarrassment as merely
temporary ; they did not come to me with a repre-
sentation of their general salvency, and to request
assis-ance in a mercantile way on the cenfidence of
their representation ; if they had, I should certainly
have hesitated, and asked advice. But, Sir, they
gave me instantly good security—security that
could not he doubted ; and, therefore, there was
no cause for further inquiry. When I was told, and
saw clearly, that, in order to be of any use, the mo-
ney must eetually be had the next morning, and
that there was net a moment to lose in completing
the forms re:ceesary for the purpose of graeting it,
was it for me to have called on a Committee, or to
have consulted my Noble Friend, Ld. Gleneervie,
who has been named in the debate, at a moment of
such immediate necessity ? I might as well, Sir,
have given them a dire& and p.aitive refund. The
Hon. Gentleman suppeses, however, that if I had
looked into the business I might hive • discovered
the insolvency. But. Sir, to whet gerpose ? Sup-
pose they were insolvent, it was nothine, unless I
knew it. I had got security that was abundantly
ample, and that was all that I hid to look to on the
part of the public, for whose benefit the advance of
the money was inteaded. It doe., however, appear
from evidence, Sir, that during the years 1797 and
179 e, lloyd aid Berifield continued under the sanc-
tion of the Governor and Deputy-Governor of the
Bank. as biddet s for loans. It ;51 lila well known,
that in all cases of bidders for loans, I always have
taken the opinien of the Governor and Deputy-
Governor of the Bank, as to the aulvency or stability
of those houses hn bid, and, as a proof:aft, I' beg
leave to call to the recolleetion of the House, that
some few years ago, when their opinion was not
favourable to a house in the city, fur the partners
in which I had the most plrticalar respeet an i
regari, I gave the most direa and immedi Sci
proof that nn partiality !haul.] for a moment influ-
ence my conduct, by an absolute refuse' to accept
them among the bidders. It was not, Sir, till the
spring of 1799 that Mr. Thnrntan communicated to
me a suspicion of the itaeility of Beyd's house.
Is it theretore wonderful that I should ant have
suspeaed them three years before ? Un.ler these
circamstances I own, Sir, I Could net refuse, and
did therefore let them have the money. I acknow-
ledge it was irregeler, and liable to the censure of
this House, to welch I shall respeelfully submit.—
If they think that a measure takers under such
circumstances % a m nice which militates against
the Constitution, the; will give Irle that share of
blame they may think 1 merit. I can asrnre the
Reuse, that what I did was for the best. It was,
if an error, that of the judgment, and not of the
heart. I was altogether induced to do what I did
from a sincere, ardent, and Anxious desire to pro-
mote the welfare and most important interests of tee
country. It has been asked, Sir, why I die not come
forward to this House, and ask an indemnity? Sir,
if I was justified in taking the measure, I thought
myself equally so in concealing it. It could not be
mentioned at the tine without as fatal effeas to
the parties as these it wes intended to avert from
them, nor could he divulged at any intermediate
period, till after the failure, without accelerating
their ruin; and really, Sir, after thelfailstre, at the
distance, and after a lap.e of three or four years, and
when every shilling of the mines, had long been re-
p lel, it did not occur to me to be necessary. I die
nut conceive there was any thing criminal in what
I had done. If it bed haunted my conscience, as
the Honourable Gentleman seems to think it ought
to hive done; I dare say I should hthe endeavoured
to have alleviated its horrors by such an application ;
bet indeed, Sir, amidst the pressing and important
circamstAnces which took place in the year 1600,
I candidly confess, it did not occur to me at all. As
a precedent, the Hon. Gent. says it is dangerous. It
might perhaps,Had it been public, but as it was secret,
it cAnnot well be cited as an example. I here now.
Sir, laid before the House the whole of this tree:-
Aaion, and my reasons for entering into it, and shall
respeetfully wait for and abide by its decision."
Mr. 1-1. L ASCELLES sail, he felt great satisfac-
tion at the tone and manner in which the Hon.
Gent had brought forward his motion. It was
very cliff-rent from the language he had held on
that subjeet on a former occasion. The Hon. Gent.
then seemed to wish to press on the House, and tin
the public, that the Right Hon. the Chancellor of
the Exchequer was acquainted with the transaaions
of Lord Melville. He was the more induce) to form
this opinion, as an Honourable Gentleman near him,
immediately after the censure on Viscount Melville
at the close of the debate on the sth of May,
had used the epithet of • ditgraced Administra-
tem. He was, from these circumstances, apprehen-
sive that the Honourable Gentleman had in view

some resolutions strongly criminating his Right
Hon. Friend ; he had, therefore, paid particteAr At-
tention to every thing that passed before the St-cret
Committee, of which he was a menber, as well as
the Hon. Gentleman who brought forward 044 rw,-
non. before • that Committee miry witness and

van, • IIVI 4,141riG w , CG M,••• a,”,k
accounts finally Closed, no wonder he should not
think it necessary to ask for it. I-k doubted not but
the ! louse and the country would beth think it sa-
ti,fadorily explained. He deemed it his slaty to
propose to the House the Resolutions he hat dr ern
as an Amendment. He would :beg leave to rea i tiffs
Resolutions to the House, and is was Lis intention
afterwards to move the previous question He data
read his first resolution to 'Le following purport :
"That the nwasnr.- advanag 41,00,1. on see..tilling,
101161 had I.wn Once tl.sehaqed. v..; rend-led nocestary by
the eirennkstane:s of the eau, and that gnat Hama de ammo
the tam e."
Alter which he moved the previous
which being put from the Chair ;
Mr. PIT l' asked across the t ,ble,
lien. Gentleman consi,ored his tesotutiens
mating of him, as in that case he was reedy
draw ?—(A general cry front the Oppor I ss
atiu! no!)
The SPEAKER said, it was fn. the
determine whether they thought the
crimill story. If t'fey did, the Right
man must certainly withdraw.
Mr. FOX rose, and, on the pert of h.
able Friend, disclaimed their being intends
mins/ore, and therefore t'tere could he no
for tl,e Right Hon. Gentleman to vrithdra,
then proceeded to the followieg mirpott:-
revs 4t to the question itself, hr, i must '-
say a taw words on every part of it, '
do so, I wish to say a word or tsso
fallen from the Hon. Gentleman who spoke
termed to infer that my Hon. Friend
introduced this besiness, as if to criminate
Hon. Gentlem.:n ; and. in support of le
alluded to what I said on the end and
debase, on the cf May. The
whither, WO should tee stand over ,
and I expressed a wish that it shrte
as possible, in order that we might
der a disgraced Administ rai km. In d
pressien, I referred dire. lv to IF
sidle, as forming a part, and that se
deavoer to get Wm nut c it as speedill
Now. Sir, I do assure die Hoe. Gent.
the House, that there is 1,0 rransadinn
could tire me grower pain, and i sho
sincerely sorry as any man up in earth. i'
had occurred in these Regrets to criceioa
Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Pitt) as much
done Viscount Nleiv,ila; for, though ,
lives have ever been opposite, thougi
every instance we have disagreed upon
jects, and though I have frequently bl
litical conduct; yet I sheuid have felt
uneasy and unhappy, if it had turned out
been unworthily corrtee, or had soiled'
the tnanner he has thought we meant
him: upon investigation, it certainly has turned out
otherwise. If I consider a man guilty of once devi-
ating from the principles of the law. I limit that
consideration, and do not reervl7 think it necessary
t > state a suspicion, but to d cl ore my sentiments
thereon : I do therefore cischa g: all su h suspicion,
and not only that, but I d ay that ti • m the.very
beginnlng of the trenseetion Jews to the present
moment, I never did cusped, I never had the slight.
est suspicion of the Right Hon. Gent. and worn every
speciemof corruptim I da delart most solemnly
my mind has most completely acqeitted lien.
But of negligence, of a d eelvaion ot du.y, or 4
breach of the laws of his country, that is another
question. Then, first, upon the business ot. Mr.
Italkes's communication with the Hennureble Gen-
tl:man ; my Honout.ible Friend (Mr W itbread)
had a right to advert to it, and I shall take the li-
berty of making sortie comments upon this part of
the question. If those (As were trite, that the
Right Hon. Gentleman had taken no re:it-oaf that
communication, it would then turn out that he had
incurred a very considerable cegret of blame.
What would have been the opinion in any ether
country, when it should be said that the First
Lord of the 'rreasury hid received such a com-
munication, and passed it over in site ce ? Was
not a communication from Mr. Raikcs np, n sheds a
sobjed a sufficient r ound for enquire ? But I now
find the Right Hon. Gentleman did m ike that en-
quiry, and very Leavy blame indeed must have fol-
lowed if no enqrciry had t-sken place ; this also has
turned nut otherwise ; and, for very obvious le rms.
I will not now enlarge upon t ;is subjod, Is `I bla.l
him with more than is necessary; it was possible,
that when he received this information front Mr.
Raikes. he use-I extreme diligence ; from his eon-
neaion with Viscount Melville, and the habits
he was in with that Noble Viscount, it was
impossible to say Ns should not have prosecuted
that enquiry, and satisfied his own mind com-
pletely upon the subjed ; the blame attributed to
Viscount Melville Ss in the inverse ratio, attrihu-
table to the Right ',len. Gentleman. When the
Right Hon. Gentleman knew the.. the money was
careied from the Bank of England to a Prive•
Battker, it was einefirie a breach ot the AR Of PIA
beam Iv
; bat at the same time that I say it ."

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:h might have been irtemedi.ble. every book and voneher proditeed, was eased for at
Sir, that Boyd and Benneld were I the instance of tie Hun. Gentleman. and no impedi-
-or the Emperor, in traiismitting merit whatever thrown in the way of their examine-
lr of that loau, which 110 hope- tion. The Honourable Gentleman had been most
lowed to negotiate in this cowl- indefatigable in his exertions, and he rout say there
Parliament then thought the fate was not a Member who sat there, that did not do
'pend. At such a period, was it justice to the talents of tie Hon. Gentleman. He
t a Minister, who wished to then came to the suhjeft on w'.o.ch he intended to
pinion of his King, who was move his resolutions. Mr. Jelam. it appeared
end strengthen the nearest. dear- clearly, was found i.t the ofli:e by Viscount Mel-
eant interests of the cotintry,with vile, and having become a detainee in the money
F which he is entrusted, should entrusted to him, an extent itsued against his efft3s.
is and alacrity, and not, by he.i- It had been said, that nothing was done wider it.
le welfare of the nation ? I own, He should be glad to know how it was male nut
y did the necessity appear to me that nothing had been received, when it appeared,
lation, that on my own respon- that there was one sum of 1,0001. and upwards, and
lo again, I should, under similar another of upwards of 7,0001. had been recoveted. M
tees, aa in the same way, though There was also a sum of 40001. that had aetla iy
t sure to meet the censure of been advanced to the son as a gift, to :et him for-
there is nothing I should more ward in business ; but this .plearing on the father's
In fall, Sir, I candidly confess, books as a debt against the son, an extent hid issue 3 • I
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responsibility, I did give this against the effeifts ref the son, and 2.0001. had been
iurposes I have mentioned.— recovered under it. The other 2,0031 remained tal-
ly reasons to the lions, for paid. It was not necessary, he said, for hire to
and if I have thereby ineurred trouble the House with the forty thousand Kr. it-tAi
I shall bow subinis.ively to their whatever had been said on that subjeEl, was little
teive whatever punishment they more than a recapitulation of the evidence. 11 -
iserving of, with every degree of Right Honourable Friend has fully thewn the ne- , 1
r ; happy, at the seine. time, Sir, cessity, and. that was surficient. A great dent
that severe TT/71013e which must had been said abnin a Bill of Indemnity. It was
through life, bad any mischief mil true a 1341 a Indemnity was the regular niode,

coo-roo
duo Have do ape lure
vevious qurstion ;
Is:e, whether the
-.v.utirns as erimi-
was Teddy to with-
Opporl as tide of
fn. err. Ho':se to
it the resolutions
ight Hon. Gentle-
in of his floor:ur-
ns: intended at cri-
uld he no occaarot
to withdraw. He
purpott —tt With
i must beg leave to
sf it, but bvfore I
tuo on what has
who spoke I or.. He
Friznd ant I lvd
triminate the Right
't of hos srsp,sttiou.
and close cf the
question then was.
for a certain time./
h• .41 be as short
toii.,,ht not ad tin-
Ili using that ea-
to Viscount Mel-
that we should en-
spevdily as p:rable.
Gerttkman, and
ransadioil w!!a•.,,ver
,nti i should be as
earth. if :c.y thing
crimioate Vie Right
much as they had
sough our p.ilitical
, ;hough in almost
I upon pciitical =b-
ody Elaaied his pn- •
ore felt exec-diogl y
or.ed out that he bad
I suilvd his heeds in
1-leant to attribute to
~only has turned out