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tins at the conclusion, Mead of say*. g' the
s4lllc as hereinafter mentioned," the tree shoshi
be, ' astreefter provided and excepted."
After a few words from the CHANCSLLOS of
the Extureuna and Sir Joao Newport., the
✓usendasent was carried.
Sir Goo. HILL also wished that the word " is"
be immted.—This amendment was also carried.
Jattes Ifireirevout =sleeted, that the
wind ". steepled" eight be mmitisd, being of no
tllsr Gioia; mu. wisherirlNi musicr in
pa mule to the ward " delealliallado" '
Veit cheer itt• its ellesidillVillett was then read
to Mirl iowiltee, anal eseied-dildialist a division.
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The 044. e eat theft *NB al Wows :
• litiet it %ether witiete4l. * the Midiseity aforesaid,
*bet it Asti ond arty be Isobel Sid as 7 se his Mojestfa
Romeo Cathedieralshrets be appear in ally of his
Majesty's Crows of be
Beath, Causes
ro.s, if Failsraser at Illosaoioster. or Dublin, w la asp
of Central Quarter feraloss a Greet Britain or
lrrisrol, er ia any of his Majestysa era of Seasioe,
t-einey, or Itsraregore, or la say Sheri or Steward Court, or
before the Magisirsiss sad Coritisetiset r *a Royal lbw
rosuba, or before eke reepeoil 44 their respeetive Ilseesgb•
t'' lk• Orir and tired Mien flatlet. Wises* tie bows of
risejet jporsiesipaisill toss i• the aftenteeiclo take, nisbe
evo robsertb‘ ti• said 11atb burin bat Wore toestioned,
god tier+, fittli•of Obiarsgiort **A Alletriante and Mutt
bpeopesi abirerefisarbr raw witheriseas Nor ersostirly of sad
soront ah.o .uumi sissil ka, sobseribe sod debeer • err.
lieriltramirk °oils Immion We* duly MaAns lAN* and sub-
•et 'bre'. to the Orme who shall beer so made, tetra and
r•horihed the woe if the rune shell be demanded; ate.
roeh reediest. shod he suMeiest eviderire of sorb pe:,4,2
itseirtg dirty atetki.takas, sod ..,.imbed sorb slabs ag,,,e.
owl; es:luso from and after the paasiwgofthisfr:t, so with or
with, 'hill be teed red to or required le be r:.,kre My hN tin.
jetty's Rnma• Catholic subjects, who la kynak, aid tub.
*tribe the sai t.atbshat bereillbaPore sweat lotted, and obtain
‘oeh r"liecotr illenent atif reinbefuve mentioned, for es.
reeling them to hull 60%4,4 may ',pal of persons, property,
robe, than redo Ito 100; y la* be trasbrerl to sod retyaired to
t.l-1. by his ir sausity•• Miter subjects; and lint the said
"1"" isealineed, bring duly wade, takes
•"(11 and such certiarata thereof °toehold
's shah be in the plan of, and as acid nod
Jrnelhial, in all Weals said porpos.,, foe the perms
so making, taking sod sobserlisiog the same, art if seen per-
son had dilly made, tabs each soirsecibrd lb. several oaabe
pt+, by law regales,/ to be takes y his Majesty's Roams
radoslie sohkets, as spealilleatiwas ter (he enjoyment of itny
civil right, oar. or franchise, or of any lasi or personal
properly: Provid:d always, that sodding herein eurttaheed
shall be Meld to digress, watb die takiep of the said oaths of
nbjeration wed ollegrisser, by such hot Majesty's Roman
Catholic sultkets„ i•. 11 ea;ri where theme. are by kw tots
iegiirect to be tikes, or with the tatiog of the said mitt
itreby appaphsted 8.• be takes, is the place of the said oat%
of superatarry, is nit wow whets the said cads of seprorsaey
is sow ill law required its be taken."
Upon When.-
111 r. Pest observed. that 'there appeared was
ioaccurecy is rim wording of this clew. it says.
• opeAking of the oath. " to take. make and ash-
serbe the oath hemp Jeer before mentioned"—
Now the heat oath refers to toosostratsatirtion.
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Joni, Nswirort fiuggertati. that. instead a
them etOido. the herein described to be sari
slinsild he ingested.
Mr. 11'itineitits.t. **nerved. that lower down
'theft appeared prime words for•which he row no ese.
`..` Presided al•ma tisk nothiug herein 'continued
'hall be held to dispense with the Ragtag of the grid
',tier." These winds appeorted to hen quite us-
sieceseety. If them were say thing that vivid
raise a doubt. then there might be some necessity.
'hat be apprehended beet no such doubt cooldariee.
Sir JANIS MACILINToiII remarked that the tier.
-41111101asice stow Iruut tw over-outtlety to leave no-
thing* sautione.
After a few weeds from Mr. T. COVIIT LA a If, the
third ciente. in its amended state. was. carried.
Mr. Bataan then rose. He said that in ad-
-dressing himself to this most important question.
there were two classes of Gentlemen to whom hie
Aitiseirstlions might I.e directed. There were those
who thought that no qualification should be de-
minded ; and others, who, lie hoped, formed the
•hiegeat prat, that thought some restrictions and
-ealificatioas were necessary, and that no conces-
sions should be granted without getting proper
securities. From the first elms. lie had to entreat
'their indulgence, as he feared that no argument
-could reach them ; bat from the second class he
• !aimed their earnest attention, because he felt firm-
ly persuaded shit all the securities they could get
becuine nugatory and impertect the moment this
concession was granted. If you once admit Ca-
tholics into Prishament, yore 10-e the only power
you had to carry these securities into effect. He
soderstood the Right Honourable Baronet (Sir
John Newport) on whom the care of the Bill de-
••lvecl, in consequence of the absence of the Right
Hon. sod Learned Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett) which,
ao well as the circumstance that has ocean coiled it,
toe whole House must sincerely deplore—he un-
derstood him to say, it was his intention to en-
.gt•ft the two Bilis. This was a circumstance
'which he (Mr. Bankes) had wished from the be-
winning. Because, be keeping them separate, they
'night pees the one atid not the other. They might
ions the Bill containing all the privileges. and
egainst the other the whole Catholic Clergy might
live in arms and repudiate; for they already be. •
to open their mouths, and say the Bill wee more
objectionable than that of 1813. With this fact
staring them in the face, he was not surprised at
the change in the supporters of the Bill. He well
sooderstotel the change of circumstances that ren-
sieved the matter more a measure of necessity t loin
of choice. He lead heard it said on former occa-
sions, that we were not to mind the impressions
that might be made on the mind, of the Catholics ;
that we were not to legislate, not to make a treaty ;
and that whether they consent or not. it should not
intlueoce our derision'.—(Hew, hear.)—Now there
tray be • great deal of dignity in this, but certainly
there is very hivie of common sense. The preamble..
of the Bill states, that this is a measure to conciliate
nil pieties. But how can it be c.illed a inemstre of
Maciliation, when the Catholics refuse the securities
..(itch we demand for confening these braefits upon
been ? Surely so proceed in this measure is to act
hike men blindfolded, like melt devoid of cominou
reuse. lie cared not what some Gentlemen • might
ray. hot it is on the consent and unanimity of the Ca-
-sanolica which should he the pillar aud support of the
Bill, that the .access of the 1111•110111 e must mainly
sl#prilit. Ii would appear eiratige to him if the Ce-
'belie Clergy should now depart from all thew for.
Viler professions, and become ponies to the eremitic,.
'now 1101,0111.11 on them. Ile had declarations of
theirs. ruling that they never could agree to
lay inteifereure vu the part of 'the King, either

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in the amstioation or the ea(aCve of h. whether
pointment of their Bi Then if ext.
no alteratives is their t or an oath
conditions ore mow boil Ifetelefont. tolse
what ham; Ise shook* 'psis* to .i.h Meets was stated
that we con eosvellfsbe)the C deft dims i The words
then? Instead of conciliation, hedlimeeived it would not to any privilege
be a measure of agitation and tumult &mow& after posies to the destriectiassa the ifiessr...—
the membem of that church. He now came to that 1 Church and Government of the country." This
point which was more immediately before the I he thought was pretty clear; but what was the ex-
cansideestiou of the Commis,— •44t. the es- ploasition " All here are agreed that *Mk the Go-
vernsaeut and religion most be violated in osier to
came siting the violationisf the with." Bat there •
was mother clasp of men that did not seen to be
recollected in framing this Bill—he 'moot the
Jesuits. Is it known to the Committee that there
are two orders of Jesuits genetically established.
one et Stooyhoest, in Lieneashire, and the other et
Camtebrown, in Ireland ? There are persons or-
dinned belonging to that body. and yet there was:
nothing in that Bill that affected them. Waa it
neeessary for him to state who these Jesuite are.
that they bad the educates' of a great particle of
Serape ? They will of course have the edocatieW
of the sons of the nobility, and from them we are to
have oar future musters; end be shoold like to
know what kind cf prioriples they are likely to
imbibe from such preceptor'. They have been
driven oat of Russia, they have been driven
out of Spain, and from raviolis other conutriet,
and now they are established in this country. lh
shoukl not detain the Howse mach longer. He
had endeavoured to shew the dangers that are like-
ly, which are the inevitable consequence of this
measure ; for he felt firmly persuaded, that should
the Catholics be admitted into Parliatneut, they
if they act consistently with their creed, en-
deavour to subvert the established religion of the
country. Should a change of times favourable to the
Catholic occur, he should be ready and desirinos to
seine the opportunity. hot at present he saw nothing
but danger, and if the House now conceded what
was asked, it would be vain to attempt to oppose any
future harriers, the tide would rush in, and control
would no longer be possible. The Him. Member
concluded by moving. as an amendment to be.
added to the third clause—
" That *Whine In this Act should /attend, whs sera
'trued to extend to dispels.* with, repeal or atter sayer OP
laws Dow in fora with respect hi the exclusive of Ilblinnt
Catholic, from or voting to either tioerM sd
Parliament." •.
Mr. CALCIA/T mid, as be had sot hithevtuleli-
vexed his sentiments ow the lineation, he hoped to
he indulged with the • attention of the Committee
for a short time. The Hon. Member who had just
sot dawn had entered ou a larger trlol than he
shush!, as it was his iasentious to confine himself
strictly so the question before the Committee. if
he could adenhite uponthose distant dangers which
had been alluded to, without regarding the existing
dangers of the anomalous situation tit which we
were placed—if he could so regard them, then he
should feel less surprise at the argtemeists which
had been addressed to the House. The Hon.
Member had stated, that there were two sets of
persons, or rather of opimons, ui the House—
oue who thought the restrictions imposed by
that House as nothing, and the other wise con-
ceived of them very highly. He confessed that he
was one of those who eonvidered paper restrictions
as of but little consequence, and he thought if that
were till the security. it would be but a slender
sue ; but knowing that men were governed by their
interests and their passions, he had a baser sense
rity fur the general good which was thins bound up
in the particular interest. To suppose that if the
Catholics were admitted tonal: in that House,they
would be able to overturn all the Pniteatant pawn
of the country, was tosoppote the Protestants less
attached to their establishment than those whom
they thus endeavoured to keep oat. The flo-
nourable Member (Mr. Banker) hail spoken of
the measures in 1793. He (Mr. Colcraft) Weyer
expected that lie should have to defend Mr. Pitt
in that House, bat he must say that if ever there
was a libel upon • departed Statesman, it wes that
which Vie Huituurable Member had uttered that
night. He denied that it wee, as he had described it.
a race for popularity between two contendiog parties
and intended by Mr. Pitt to conciliate and get the
support of a powerful body. No ! Mr, Pitt sass
induced by the change of circumstance,. by the
growing importance mind 'bombers of the Catholics,
to adopt the treasure (some steps to which had
been previously made) of granting them the elec.
live franchise. No doubt Mr. Pitt intended to
follow up that concession by further grants. It
was inipou'sible to say to the human mind,
so far shall you go end no further.—/Hear,
hear, hear.)—He was glad of the Hou. Gentle-
men's cheers, he wished their intention to what lie
asserted, as it was the kej-stoue of his argument ;
end he asserted, that the elective franchise could
riot be granted to them without leading them to
expect that which was now proposed to concede.
He could not think any such danger as the Hon.
Member •pprehendori. from the admission of Ca.
t holies into that House; on the cossirtiry, bethought
that there the danger, if it existed, would be neu-
tralised. But it was said that they waisted power,
and it was flared dist 40 Roman Catholic Members,
educated at Stoneyhurat by the Jesuits, would be 5o
formidable, that the Constitution would be eat-
dangered by their admission to That House. They
were admitted to the command of fleets and armies.
to a situation whew they were uncontrolled, whilst
they refused to admit bun within those walls, where
for centuries to come he must be in • mi-
nority. The Honourable Member had wander-
ed into • good deal of general argument against
the Bill, forgetting that the House hail al-
ready consented that the Catholics., taking • cer-
tain oath. should be admitted to their seats, and
now the lion.Gentlemau came forward with a clause
to defeat that which had been agreed to by a majo-
rity on a former occasion. The reel question, he
thought, might be resolved into three short points :
Could it be done with surety ? fled the Catharines
so behaved as to went it And was the Protestant
mind in that stste of preparation that it could be
xi-sided without any inconvenience ? On the last
point lie thought the prevent wits a peculiarly
favourable moment, the discussions in both Houses
of Parliament having so dissipated prejudices aad
enlightened the public mind, that even those who
could not approve, yet had nothing left to say
egainst the measure. The Protestant mind might
therefore be said to be ripe. lied soy case then been

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clu&tg lie Catholics trona seats in ......,=.........
On turbine occasions the Home amictimed the pre-
vious steps of a measere timelier it• the pretest,
with rash larger majorities them on the present
1445, yet she ostmerasson of Cothohett to Parliameut
seemed, in JBl3, so objectionable a soomore that it
was lost. What might b• the fate of a *Hadar
mafiosi, which ho should have the Isestoueof assitisig
to-night, he knew not ; he woe wilting to go to a
cerise* point, end the Right Lieu. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. Canning) was see* of his ferlinp—
,lse was willing to go a cassia length ; hot
'towel as he wished to coociiliste, and highly as
je valued that most lops! and ,respectable %tidy
mif men (the Catbefrier). still so mods did he dread
t that the stebil;.4 of the Constitution and our esta-
blished relii(tou wets likely to be endangered by it,
taut art eamisderetion meld ever intimate him to MO.
MOO- to the odosierissi of Quito:tiles to Parherners.—
Viear, hear.)—llle eared not how this sentiment
might be characterised : it might he called iutole.
rant—but he was iwtfectly satisfied in his owes
mind that there was nothing intolerant in his the-
positiesi. He was CliatitVlHlSilig SO guard over the
church and the constitution, and he would desert
hies duty if he meld he intimidated by any idle
empty words which Gentlemen might think proper
to emphry.—/ Hear, bear.)—There was an old
maxim, which had existed long before he was horn,
awl would coritione to exist hung after he was laid
in his grave, that no wise statesuesu would admit
mess into power who from the nature of their
religion, must, if they act consistently with their
principle'', wish to subvert that power. ars there
been any alteration in that church, which
they consider paramount to all others? No;.
this pitmen'% has never been departed from,
and if you raiser the professors of that relogion to
iron' its that House, you will soon see those max-
ims revived, which they exercised when they load
power. It has been said that the numbers con
'sever he so great as to jts.tii)r the fears and the
dangers which lie hod &embed. To this point
he most earnestly prayed their attention. He
would ask, would the numbers ever be so small
ay not to make an impresstnn ou the decisions
41: that Howe ? He was of course *ware there
&told not be a majority. The Protestant boroughs
Of England and the Protestant counties would re-
tire Protesstmis, hut a large proi,ortion of the po-
rridge election in Ireland would very soon fall into
the Innate of the Catholics. l'lre Catholics were
&very day increasing in 'wealth, and connexions.
Illod eonrideretion„ end must met) 11,C0018 a noel
lionterous body. He would wish to sheti how showy
dad gradually the veil hat been withdrawn that
lips covered the demands of the Catholics. In 179$ .
Se elective franchise was granted to the Catholics.
Then the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castle.
itagh) was in the Irish Parliament. Petitions were
Liesented front the Catholics to the Irish House et
Chilieons, which were received with a very ill grace.,
'hey were considered so offensive as to be treated with
the greatest contempt, upon which delegations cause
over to this country from the Catholics. It hap,
Feud that at that period the country was its it
state of considerable agitation. Politiesl divisious
existed with respect to the French revolution, and
it was considered advisable to do every thing to
unite the %Periwig interests. He was inclined to.
think that the urgency of the moment induced Nict
Pitt and many others to grant tome thus they,
should hove done at other timer. But they it was
considered an ultimate concession, that it would
close the doer on all other demands, and in us
short time afterwards he was surprised to hear still
further claims denewided. " Oh," said they, "yea
hive granted them one step to political poster
in extruding the elective franchise, and you should
go oue step farther, 81111 grant them twat. in Par.
liamcnt. Ile did not mean to charge Gentlemen
with a wish to subvert the established church in
Irelsod ; but there has been a principle laid down
by most of the accredited wri•ers on the subject,
that the majority of the people should regulate
religion ; and hereafter Gentlemen may turn round
and ask us to apply that principle that has been
laid down by Prutestaut writers, and then what
becomes of your Protestant church?--(Haar,
hear, hear.)—But are Catholics the only iser-
-601111 that have to complain of the Church Esta-
blishment? He had to remind the Committee
of a considerable party in this country, and per-
haps there might be some persons in that House,
who consider it a great burden to support an este-
Wish:mut of which they c.snnot approve. if Gen-
linnet' were laying a trap to repeal the Corpotation
and Test Acts, they could not take a moire effec-
tual mode of doing it. These points were, to
his knowledge, discioised three Limn—in 1787.
1789, and 1790; and the second time there was
only a majority of 20 agai• at the consideration of
their claims. But in one Smoot' after the Catholic
emancipation is carried, no matter how small a pro-
portion of the hundred Lisle glembers are Catho-
lics. they will make common cause with the Die-
senters, slid it is quite impossible they can mend
more thee one Seesaw. There was another point
to which lie wished to advert, namely, the pro-
vision for the Catholic Clergy. The moment
the circumstance was metitioi.ed, the signal of
dismay came from the Itisht Honourable and
Learned Gentleman. ' Oh ! don't name it 110 M ;
the time will come when it may be proper to make
such a proemial ; the first thing will he a mode-
tate establishment, and be it more or less, it must
come out of the revenue of the country, that is.
Iron) the pockets of the people of England. lie
was surprised at the inconsistency of the princi-
ples of same of the Gentlemen who advocated this
question. Altight Hem. and Learned Grist. (Sir
J. Mackintosh.) sometimes 'Woks tie to eulogsze.,
and sometimes to condemn the 141111 C countries.
Austria and Russia he leas sua down as the sup-
porters of tyratetty and opprersicos. hut on this
question be holds them up as models fur our igni-
tion'''. With respect to the oath, of which they had .
heard so much on a former uight, lie would beg to

made oat against the Catholics t On ate ermine,.
it ma atitusiykrlged that their cooduct was alto-
gether Fmt*worthy ; by their beutty eo-opevation
the late age had been brought to a glorious crin-
clot:Mo. He had already spoken ~spun the aefety
with which they might be silaiitted, and he thought
it impossible, from the limited number, that any
danger ishoeld really result; it was sagsos-
ithle that when admitted to the House they would
combine so closely and move so uniformly that
they would. from their close adhesion, be rlaagereess.
Some would doubtless be found sin one side of the
Moire, and souse on the other. All the feels which
had been expressed he considered as entirely ground-
less, though with fear it was impossible to argue ; if
soh-hied iii our place it started up in somber, and
nothing but experience could subdue it. Would
not all England rise against any thing like a Ca-
tholic Lague? and could they so little rrepeod ors
themselves as to for granting what was right, hot
they should hereafter be naked to do what eras
wrong t
The SPIRAIMR said, he should confine himself,
in the observations which he was about to make,
to the amendment which hail been proposed. He
admitted that exclusion could mit be juetifieil with-
out 'Mega-ate neets-ity. The frainertof .the. jirll
had admitted the principle of tsclusioo, as, to cer-
tain offices. Ile did aunt refer to it to (*mute it ;
out the contrary, he felt that it was orce-sory, and
therefore justifiable. If jratousy lac rightly enter-
tained with respect to the adniission of Catholics to
the exectiiiou of the lamp which regarded ercle-
mastics, matter*, then he said he iiimt also he
jealous of admitting them to u panicipst in
the framing of those laws. The ineaoiag of the
'sort' " permauent," in the pre:amide, enema no-
thing, but that the law was to last whilst Parlre-
nierit and no litioger.—(Hear, hear./—
Much difkrerice of sentiment prevailed as to the
&tiger. The Hon. Member who *peke lost spoke
slightingly of di-tent dangers; but surely he would
admit that the House ought to take the longest
view passible, for when the danger was arrived it
would be too late to remedy it. The Honour-
able Member for Cage Cas,le conceived there
would be great danger, whilst the lloit. Mem-
ber who spoke last etiteitaisted uo appreheission
whatever. They were (he must be pardoned for so
saying) both speculations, end he would rather tntet
to the security of the law than frost to chance.—
(Hear, hear, hear./—The Honoorable Member
for Bramber said, that if the restrictions were
taken off* the Catholics, the result would be that
they would have • free intercourse with l'rotesweits,
anti mawy would be converted. But its this the
Hon. Member argued as a good Protestant who
thought the superiority of his faith only need he
examined to be proved ; but the good Catholic
might also say, if he were once admitted, all the
Pneestetsts would become true Calltoltes.—( 4
luogh.)—The great object which he hid in rising
war to express the difficulty he had to reconcile that
jealousy which was admitted as to the execution of
taws, with grunting them a free participation in elle
framing of them ; but lie must say that the difficul-
ties were increased, in consequet.ee of the alterations
which had taken place its the Committee on Priddy
eight. He had heard much discumitiot on the' out hi.
If they both meant the motives some had argued,
he would ask them, why make any alteratiou ?
If the alteration meant any thing, he would mg,
why Mitigate a more rigorous oath uo the Protestant
than oo the Roman Catholic ? He did not Onset it
was any breach of faith for the Committee now to
consider of the amendment of the ..000urtable
Member (Ir. Baukes), outwithstauding the pro-
ceedings of the former itight. He admitted
there were malty officre from -which the emit°•
lies were excluded tip which they might with
esfety be admitted, it was not therefore the alter-
ation of the oath to which lie objected, but to
the interpretation put upun the oath. Referring to
the three points to which Mr. Calcraft had reduced
the CFleslloll US to the public opinion, he 'treed
wilt, him that there never would be a case where
the deliberate judgment of Parliament would not
be the deliberate opinion of the people. With re-
spect to the luct of the llotoau Catholics, it
trust be granted it had been such as to monthe them
to every thing which could with safety he granted,
but oil his conscience lie believed this could nut be
granted with safety, and, as sus honest man, he was
therefore bound to vote for the amended clause.

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owillifer, hear.)--Looking to our history, he
found that no close was proscribed, but that it
grew out of • eiteuinstince which affected all Eu-
rope, aril which changed former lines of deterred-
ti .. , and separated people from themselves. lie
looked to Europe, and found, that whatever the
form of gnvrrsiment might he, with the exception
of Spain sad Pantxtgal, that line of demariemitme
hail been obliterated, and he found it still
existed amongst ourselves. Our boost was. that
we lord • se eireer portiere eff regetsiteri Ebert", times
the other nations of Everette., and such a quality of
rights that any *tun might rise to the faigheee
offices, but he wee et • hew to reconcile that elm-
ructer with the exclusive principle, and he cone
leered that he looked •staioteily to this ea the time.
when the Catholics might be admitted with misty
to every right. At the time of the Reformithiri
the Catholics were oreslisid by die majoire.y, -oho
were then of a different faith, and since them
they had been mrerlaid by Acts of Perliament, but
till the time of Quirks Mall the danger was stated
to be from fureigo interference. What, thou, mew
there to justify the retaining • restrietiests "rhea the.
moots on which it woe fosulled had vanished
Whets the Catholic Commoner. were tided's!
from Parliament try Elrzebeth, it was not thought
necessary that the Peens should be excluded shwa
ere the ()sleets bad other means of satieffying herself
of their loyalty. That plainly 'hewed it was not dog-
ma, it was not doctrine storms( which the exclasioni
was pointed. The Peers weir under the Queeis'es
mediate 'revenant oberrewitae, but over the multi-
tude she hail no one+ supervision. Out of the try
years that the Catholic, had been tutu 'ed, sleeve
half the time Catholic Peers est in Podia-
ment, awl the religions reason was not assigned
till the 30th of Charles 11. when for the first issue
Perm as well as (.oramoners were earluded. He
would ink far a plaits reason, if ally could be
given. why Catholic Peers could with safety sit
front the Ist of Elisabeth to the 30th Cheats 11.
and why it should
for the moment he would put the COIMUOIIt ro
and beg to Ise traoinctly answered this question '
In the at omaloos .tars of our law, the exclusion of
the Commoner was only an exclusion by possi-
bility, as though every Catholic might hope to be
elected. all could not ; but its the ease of Peers we
went much farther, awl absolutely ismoalleil their
birthrights. But as regarded Peers, we Jul not
follow op our own principle, they were still as
good Peers as any who eat.—(Herse, Lear, Ann.)...
They still were surremoned, as wars the case on the
trial wlech recently had taken place; they then
hid their postage to psy, but could not come..
Of Commoners it was tied that the doers of the
House would he besieged by deem. The boo was
in the lobby, and if they opened he would reefs
1w; but could the saute danger be said to be
dreaded from the seven Catholic Lords ? Cook,
any danger be possibly appreliesided from that
number. or were the Howard. and Talbot. so
degeuerated that they could not now be admitted
with safety ? As to the Commoteere, whit were the
dangers to be apprehended ? From their num-
ber. and from their eonibiniug. But how hap-
pened it that teach a combination of sectaries. hid
sieve, beeu seen He had never observed arty
symptom of it, and never knew whether be
sat down by a Churchman ar a Disseenter.--
He would grant that there would be a hundred Ca-
tholics gaits achnierion to 'be House, with the (hypo-
'items to congregate whistle had beeu assumed, and
be would also grant, for the aegunsetet'il sake, that
they coalesced for the purport of uverturuing
the Church Boteldielement. How would they gee
about their yak ? There were but three ways
by which it could he done—by she force of resew
by number', or by force alone. IYould the elo-
quence of the 100 Catholic Members persuade the
Home to substitute the Catholic religion in lieu
of the- Piotestant ? As to number', the argument
for that (timer stood ass very weak grounds,. The
lion. Member who quoted Archdeacon Paley •
few nights ago, sheered how a small number might
be dangeroms. He had read au opinion of Paley.
which be did not opposer, and he said, " if
you argue in that war I shall throw your work
in the fire." Bat in this mode of couviticiug the
Honourable Member was outdone by Henry VIII.
who disputing with the school-master, atid hay-
ing the worst of the argument, threatened to
throw his antagonist in the fire. From pure
force he apprelwitiled no more danger than from
the others, but if we really were afraid, how
in she name of reason tin) we protect ourselves now
against it ? If there really were danger, the way
to meet it would be to admit she Catholic into
the House. It was true that there was no lute eft in
the empire which was not virtually represented
there, but it would be r.ither t. o much to say that
the Catholics were properly represented, when the
first proceeding of a Member entering that House
was Ins taking ass oath in which he professed to
abhor and abjure the doctrines of the Catholic
These was a danger which was not guarded
against—they might hove a Catholic Speaker;
they might suppose • great number of Catholics
to be elected, and tote one of their own body into
the Chair. Looking so that palladium of the Con-
stitution, she Act of 30ile Charles I I. for a remedy.
it would be seen that It mono* tire oath altatattl
taken by the Members standing round the' table—
(SOO Members standing round the table ! 4—the
Speaker in the chair.—The Speaker might 'heti
point out the physical impossibility of complytug
with the Act, and the mile would hot be teikeu.
He did nut point nut this as • circoneetuheo
very likely to occur, but only as one other anomaly
to be ridded to the inlincrolle others already noticed.
He resussided the Hume of the concession. winch
had been made to the Catholics already, in respect
to the appointments its the navy and the army, and
the harmless results to which those concessions had
led. 'They were first admitted its the morel ServiCe.
This degree of iudulgeuce naturally led to • simi-
lar claim on behalf of the Catholics serving in she
army. The questiots was agitated in Parliament,
and the point for decision was, whether the navy
should be brought back to the condition of the
army, or the army be equalised is point of privi-
lege with the pussy. The *Motu of Parliament
prevailed, and Catholics were admitted to com-
mands in the army equal to those to which they were
eligible its the navy. Was nut the country as Wren
Lew, wee uut the Pat listuent es confident of then se-
curity to al I the institutions and establishments,se be-
fore the period of that concession ? But let the re.

Mr. CANNING agreed that the present was the
must important pant in the question ; at was that
which, if withheld, would take away the value from
much that was conceded. He agreed also with the
Right Hun. Gentleman (the Speake►) that those
who took the side which be did had no right to call
upon she Committee to negative the amendment
!proposed in consequence of any previous vote to
which they have agreed. He conceiveil that no-
thing had been conceded either in fret or in orpi-
ment which required the present point to be
debated by itself un its own merits. To guard
himself from misrepresentation before lie proceed.
ed, he begged to offer the tribute of his sincere ad-
miration for the generous candour with which the
Right Honourable Gentleman had stated the opi.
nion which belied forined,and which, having formed,
it was his duty to deliver us he had done, and by
which it must he acknowledged, whatever might be
the fate of the question, that he had contributed
Iris full share, not only to the elucidation of it, hut
also to the temper with which it was carried on.
For the full understanding of the question be should
divide the coo►iderat of it ; First looking to what
he considered to be the claims or the Catholics to
seats in Parliament, nod secondly, what were the
dangers. re4l or imaginary, to obstruct the conces-
sion. In speaking of the claims, he begged to he
understood as speaking of no natural claim be-
longing to man as ►nan, but those claims of civi-
lized society, which were subject to the Listing
control of the State. He admitted the power and
control of the State, but the question here was, whe-
ther there was neceasity. Without reverting so any
wild theories of natural right, there cestaitily did
brlosig to wealth, to intelligence, to station, sad
to power, the s►ght to be candidates foe those
objects of political ambition which in England
had for ages past, and be honed would for ages to
come, continue to he, a seat in th■t assembly which
governed the councils of the nation. To exclude
positively from that high object of laudable
non was, he would not say that which uo necessity
could justify, but it was an exclusion so severe that
the necessity ought to be too clear to be m6talteu.

whether Gentlemen knew.how oaths ace sonte-
explained away ? He would ghse anlastatice
oath thia heshould issta time% was lep deur
misunderstood, bet the esplawdloo of which
stated in the Irish Pweliawswisl is 1793.
'Fords wen these—" And I do solemnly swear
!I exercise any privilege I uow do or may here-