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those who diII obey it, were pot.

Mr. CRONES said, that the Noble Lord oppo-
site was always very well content that 1e rd Gam-
bier should be tried by the House of Cd%rnons.—
He alluded to the eircunistsnce of Ins referring the
Admiralty to his hog-book, and reducing them to
time necessity of trying the case, either iu the House
of Commons, or by a Court-Martial. No man
could have a greater regard for the character of the
Noble Lord, public or private, than he had ; but
still he could not think that.hit opinion was supe-
rior to those of many who hod expressed their
tirneots on the Court-Martial ; he could not
c al-
der it superior to that of Admired Young, or r
John Duckworth, and others, too tttttt lertni to
name; and he was sorry to see the Noble Lord taut
his character and credit &against the majority of the
profession to which he b. lunged.
Mr. Wurratteso said, that he had no hesitation
to vote for the minutes, in order tesee whether the
extent of the enterprise was such as to jestify a vote
of thanks. He went ulong with the Hon. Gentle-
man who spoke last, that merit should be allowed
to others as well as to the Noble Lord ; but he would
ask th it lion. Cilentleinsn. whether he did Dot
'think the Admiralty mooch to blouse for appeovither
'the Noble Lord, under the circumetaoces in which
he was apuointed The lino. Gentlmman had corn-,
planned of the answer given bribe Noble Lord to
the Admiralty; he (Mr. Whitbread) disapproved of
it also; he thought he should have said that he
would give no answer; that, when implied to foe
an eziletiation of his cooduct,es • Member of Pars
he should have refused the es:pia:Dation; hut .
it seemed he referred them to his books; why then,mliti
they lint come down monfully, and call for theonte
of thauks its an open, fearless moaner, with ereaty,s,..
'donation, with every document necessary? 'Lord
they ask. Do you mean to put every Officer qn.jos
trial f He would say, that every Officer for whpm a
vote of thanks wee, claimed, was on his trial—
(Hear' hear!) He thought the Coun-Martial
ought not to have taken place ; he thought that
Lord Cochrane ought not to have answered. He
denied that, to refuse the thanks to Lord Gambier,
upon the ground that the extent of the service was
not sufficient, would be to cast a slur upon his cha-
racter—( Hear ! hear!) The Noble Lord (Lord
Cochrane) had committed himself more than he had
ever 'known a man to commit himself before, and
conch was due to the solemn pledge. Another gal-
lant Officer had attempted to throw the blame upon
Lord Cochrane; boot, in so doing, he had spoken
not in the moat fabourable terms of the discipline
of the Navy. lie had spoken of the Noble Lord's
signal. which sonic obeyed, and some disobeyed ;
and stated, that those who disobeyed it were pro-
moted—while those who obeyed it were sot. If
such was the case. what, he would ask, would be-
come of the disuriline of the Navy ? For the
reasons he had already stated, and not those given
by the Noble Lord, he felt it iucumlient on him to
vote for the production of the mitnites, before he
could agree to give the thanks to Lord Gambier.
He did not know whether there was ally precedent
for the prodartion of the sentence, without the
minutes; bat it appeared to him more proper that
they should accompany each other, that the act
might carry with it its explanation.
Sir CHARLES HAMILTON explained. in justifica-
tiosi of the discipline of the navy.
Mr. Rose said, that whenever the fire-ships suc-
ceed iu burning the enemy, the officers are pro-
moted.
Mr. Ponsowar said., he could not agree in the
motion of the Noble Lord, nor dial he think he
could acquiesce in the thanks to Lord Gambier ;
he could not agree in tha.bistale Lord's motion. be-
cammehe considered it a violation of tree most sacred
and fundamental principles of jurisprudence ; it
went to try a man aro. who had been already
tried by a competent tribunal, and acquitted of lies
charges brought against him ; he therefore looked
upon • second trial as fraught with danger to the
liberties of Englishmen—(Heer / hear !)—so jea-
lous was the constitution of infringing this prin-
ciple, that even in cases where persons mei, accused
of high treason. if once acquitted by a fur; of their
country, even though circumstances shngld after-
wards come to light, which left no doubt RI their
criminality ; even mu such cars, s second 661
would net be permitted. In add:tints to this. lie
thought nothing could go farther to destroy tile

discipline of the near 'rue opinion of the Noble
Lord. that the sentence %al wrong, was not
at:fit:lent Of itself; without any other groitat, td
incilvm them to enter into an inquiry ; nor did -
he 1( no•Whois • any officer could feel his character
secure; if air- so unanimous as that
of Lbrd Oetnbiet Aid.-not secure bias froth subsea
(petit impeachuieht: Theliassee had great pon-
era ; atnouqothefs, it had the power to pniiibh
Judges, in cases of injustice; and it had already
done solo the cruse of ship-nioney• No member
in the House but one had said that there was any

thing wrong in the present case. He could not
think that all the other officers were guilty, not only
of ignorance, but of gross partiality. At present lie
was disposed to think that he should not rote lot
the thanks to Lord Gambier; but though sack woo
Isis opinion, he should hold himself open to convio4.
tion.

•
Lord COCHRANE stated, that his reason for f
fernitg the A,lmiralty to the log 4,001144 was. that
they were the best means of inlurnmni; their Lord-
shy., and it dill not become him to obtrude i::‘
Wtinutt, but to cif,:r the mauler's's upon winch tii .t
inion rims formed. It hid brrn stated, that I.d
ought to hake come forward in a manly summer, and
brought has charge ugainst Lurd Giiml,ter, if he hwd
any. His Minion fur declining that mode of pro.
ceeding was, that he knew the severity of the laws;
he rev:l-fleeted the ease of Admiral By ng. With re.

. -
speet to the alterations In his log-book, they were
not misrepresentations, but exactly ovilootuloos
with ttir e for whielethey were satbstiiatid. Many
officers agreed in his opinion. If Ministers produced
the minutes, be would prove that•the veldirt.wws
given in direct contradiction' to the testionour. Hire
character was at stake. and miry lie be condemned
to infamy, may he be expelled the House, and ex-
paled to the scorn of inankind, if be Aid not make
good hisebarge. Ile was ece a.:ing to amitrusrlvert
upon the conduct PC sir. Fairfax, elivai he %Ma Clair
ed to order by Mr. Yoaxx.
His Lordship then concluded by observing,
that the proceedings of the Court-Martial were
involved in • mystery which ought to be explained.
(As his Lordship spoke from under the gallery, sod
delivered himself in a very ;ow tone of voice, and

with great rapidity, the ',gove is hut a very imper-
fect sketch of his speech; be :Take fora longtime,
but, for the must pelt, was entirely inaudible to the
riflery).
Mr. TIERNEY hed no view to criminate tho
Mem*ers of the Court ; but when he was called
spat to say whether Lord Gambier was entitled to
the highest honour they eould bestow, he thought
iit of the utmost i rortasce that the minutes should
be laid before m. lie expressed the highest
respect for Lord r rohier ; but Outgn'. from the
nature of the 'evict., that to granwhe thanks
would be to abuse, there. He wonted- materials to
justify the altenttiou of that opinion. If he was
rightly inform...4i, Lord, Gambier was mot *nine
seven miles of the scene of actiou. The House
had been of late too hasty in coofemag its iscii..urs ;
by which means those honours Lad lost mud' of
their valor. He !allowed that the Nobie Lord
(Lord Cochrane) Witt deserving of every tatteuts.:m•
and that mach allowance should be made for the
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*smith of his feelings upon that subject. WNe-
ther it would be possible to mecum a reliant of
ths sautaare. be knew Om he iroaaatlaho
of, that that was not the place. Ile scknowlailged
such characters as Lotd Gainbier's and Lord Coch•
rese'i, to be interesting to them all.
fhlr. LsTri.teon 'apposed that an appeal might
lie to the Courts in Westmiuster ; it .as so in mill-
fairy eases, and he snpposed the priswiple would
hol.l in news,.
Captain giIIESFORD explainel.
The liotisetlien divided upon t.re.Amendment ;
!then t tiers. t a fliftered

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THAte TO LORD GAMBIER.
Mr. PEnciv• 'twirl, that the paiscrs being wale
on the table, ti Would proceed to make his iritsrid-
ed motion for (tie thanks of the House to Lord
Gambier. He was sure that the House would now
consider itself iu powesaiou of terry thing mei:wiry
to that question, and that it would not vote against
it, because the minutes were not produced. It had
been stated, that the service sea not of such a de-
scription as to justify the vote ; but if that was the
objection upon which Gentlemen rested, it was not
to he explained by the minutes, which embraced
other topics than the magnitude of the service. If
the service, such as it was, was executed under his
command, and that it was thought lit to thank the
other Officers, there was no tumours known its
which the Officer is command was excluded from
his share in the honour. They had the evi-
' deuce of the Court-Mortial, in the present in-
stance, salting forth" the peculiar zeal iii.d aural.
tion of Lord Gambier to the interest of the ser-
vice, to justify their vote. It might not he amiss
to notice the circurnstanr,:a of the exploit.—
When the French floret were first seen iu Basque
Roads, they consisted of right sail of the hoe, and
three frigates. Lord Stopford hail then but three
sail of tie line and two frigates. He was after• arc's
joined by four sail more. The eight sail of Fr, itch
ships were joined by three others, and their entire
force, consisting of I I sail of the line, was blockaded
by an inferior British force. until the arraugenient
was made, tinder Lord Gambier. for the attack. •
Among other occurrences worthy of notice was nue
which took place en board a lireaahip: tbe#rew was
dismissed; but the Captain, with another offir.r,
and the gunner, remained on board until the .hip
exploded. They were all blown up: the Captain
and officer luckily escaped with life, hut the
gunner was destroyed. Tnis was • circumstance
which alone was sufficient to ant the them to
the thanks. It was followed up the next day by
the Noble Lord opposite; 'yid no less thaw foot
Ships oat of the chives were destroyed, under all the
protection which their own butteries mold afford
them. When they considered, in addition to this, that
many of the remaining ships wine ramified notil for
wirice, and that the obj.:et *lnch they had in view
was effectually preventini, surely they would Pot
contend for‘reftssing the thinks to Lord Csoinbi. r,
because it ',Ali executed wilt) less risk and loss,
than inighr'inheratae hare been the cane. He
underitecid there were not more than ten Ives feat.
andlhatr dl' furl, assailed in the einzagetneor ;
was 'pink this • cirrarnstaece which increased
is -
stead,aat thr elaitu ? lie concluded w:ttt

esevim "That the ilassika of die !louse should Le
to Lord Gaiubier, far the sea, judgment,
alutity, and anxious attentive to the service, which
he displayed in a4Mille Knrda, whent•he succeeded
in destroying some ul the ships of Tthe eueiny, in
driving others un shore, and dumbliog the ra.
mainder." t •
Lord Cotuctsa wished fo knot srshat
Lord Gambier could dewerve, beeaui.e a gunner was
blown up' If one fact was stated to 'note the
claim of his Lordship, he should not oppose the
measere. 'flier. was a tribunal, to even that
House was auswerehlr, the tribunal of ;merrily ;
who would not look with approbation nu the abwe
of their honours. Sir Parker was not thanked

fur his conduct at Copenhagen.
Sir JONI' 0• • i supported the motion.
Sir Faxen* Buttoner would not dispute but
the mature of the service was deserving the thanks
of that Home ; but, from all the circumstances
th-it combined the attack, Ila merit, in his opinion,
•44 due to Lord Gambier. He made this avowal
1.. drool the charitable i iiii nuations of a Bight Hon.
I iemitioset below Min, (Mr. WI/saloon). the would
piglet at any time that lie should give 1114 a-perity
fall length. than by a side way avoid the triak, and
throw it in by small degrees. Would any person
say Lord Gaioherr had been its the presence of the
enemy ? If he ran no risk, what was his merit? Fur
his friend, the Noble Lord, was sent out for the ex-
press pm pose of cooducting the.attack. If Ministers
had advised Hui Majesty to have presented a ribbou
to the Noble Lord (Eochrane), for his services on
that occasion, his sentiments would have been quite
in UIIISOU with theirs. Ile concluded by saying.
that the motion s!iould have his decided,opposition.
Mr. 1%TP41;1114* was of opinion, that it was not
necessary to have the minuted of the Court-Martial
before them. to decide whether they should grant
a vote of thanks or not. It was perfectly inapplicable
to the present question. It would be unwise that
the le.st sod only competent tribunal (a Court Mar-
bid) ',honk' be objected to, as the most iucouipeteut.
Ile would then sit ea the same principle that lie
did on the case of the Captain (Sir Home Popham)
who west, contrary to his orders, and took the
' Best suit army from the Cape of Good Hope to
&moos .tyres ; who, when refused the thanks
of the )louse. applied to a higher tribunal,
Lloyd's ; and who, although not completely excul-
pated by the only trammel which) is oecessivy for
the navy (1 Court Martial), almost tionicifiotely
tecrieed greater promotion front His Isjest)
present Wilder*, being sent out Captain of the
I%leet to Copenhaerai•-flfeer ! hear I hear ).
He mold nor agree tit it the Hanks should be
nithbeld on the /rewind stated by the Honour-
*We Baronet. (ilurdeti); because the Noble Com-
mander, “snibier„ ass not present, and iii the
height of the battle. He never understood be-
fore. th rt it ought to be bas piece. But there
were Naval sod Military Commanders present,
and. if be was wrong, they would correct him.
He um*/ koew before, that it was demerit in
• Commaadise. that the people under hi. com-
mand Wen out slaaghte red ; he thottAlst they
might tabomeoreful as possible ; and that it should
be the greatest pride of a issival commander, not
to lose a mew wwWelit there wits actual necessity
for it. The iimoniton was not whither the aioick
on the itainsty'r ships at Bargee Roads was of ser-
vice to the eowittry, he was einitident no man
cloaked it ; bet it was for them to consider
whether it was a service of that nature which
entitled the commander and officers to the Imam'r
propr.,M by the Chancellor of the Exchequer i It
was looked up*w at one tome as the greatest honour
a commander cord be greeted with; but, (iota the
tonAaiit repetition of it, on light oecastousi► it was •
not now sulficieut to way theta. When it weal
only granted ow great victories, it was the wee
to all glorpois actions. /Hear! hear ! hear II
It wad that which gave spirit, ammatioit ; in fact,
the thanks of that House was looked upon by all
military and usval men. as the summit of their
pride. and as the greatest reward they could re-
ceive for their gallsot efforts ; there was only our
greater boon they could look ep to, which was that
of the approhatinu of the House of Peers, which in
itself cosinited of nothing hut honour. Althourh •
he did not doubt but the Noble Admiral (Lord
Gambier) bad dime great service to his country, by
the regularity and discipliue 'which he preserved in
the duet under his rommand ; yet it was not of
that nature which eiditled him to the vote objet

had been propoied ; (or which res-on he would vote
against it.
The question being loud!v eall-d for, I.trengers
were ordered I.taw ithrlriw, and the House divided,
when there appeaied— '
Ars ... toSi
hoes

Majority is far.oir of the Vote of Thasks tail

On bein.r witted Into tlic glittery, Mr. PO7I-
- was on his leer, putitnig • queitiJu to Mr.
referral, for the porppoie of sacertaining at whit
Conn hit irto.i.A art bong forward his finotien of
thiwks **Lord ‘Vielin,gtots.
Mr. Pr RCSV L said. th it, from the late hour of
the sight, he world pentpone it to Thurvilay next.
He wonl.l more that the !louse should c.ti,,,Ar„ till
to-morrow ; but he utilised it to be understood. that
the Hower were only to meet, pre auk to im.„,ve
the 141011 of the Coanatiitee of Supply ; for if it
eves received to-morrow, they could not
d no Friday.
Adjoorued at Hit f-past Ten o'Clock.

We trust that the allesions made h 7 Mr. Witte-
' •31•0 to a licence granted to a County Member to
raison hark, after that very Member had voted
aosiort the export of that article. will be further
geared sato.
The da,nestie misfortune which, yesterday, in-
dueart Lord LIVIRPOOL to postpone the vote of
thanks to Lard (J tenni'. in the House of LorJa,
was the death of Mr. :116tivn, the father-to-loss
of Lord Nlutt.eave, sod one of the Culansissioners
of Excite.

There ass • abetting in the City. yratenl•y, of
the t;ehtlemen .ho propose to rstehlt•h • nes,
Marine la•uranee Company. at itinch the plan of
the onliertaknag was folly ili.taissea. They peopo•r
to vest in it • capital of live wiall,mis earthing ; anti
they *Salt for a chimer, not rs•errk tiorrinsi front tltrr
Crown. but eoaßrru.d ai Ly Art of
p;Ait it likely to r;lwr,enN• A I.ty strong optvo-
onion from the Csentleillen at.

TW4', BRITISH PRESS.

LON DON,
,
or
TUESDAY, JANUARY 34).

A report WAS spread, last night, of an immediate
dissoluttott of Parliament. it'e consider it, how-
ever, as a mere threat, to intimidate the House of
Commons. What advantage could Ministers pos-
sibly expect, at this moment, from an appeal to the
country, intlignsnt at their imbecility, end mourn-
ing its deplorable effects ?

A list of offending Officers in India, which we
gave yesterddy, is, we understand, incorrect. Capt.
S. Jomisrort, Sth Native Infantry, Madras, men-
tioned in it, was a passenger on board the extra
ship Glary. which ship has been missing since the
80th November, 1808; and Lieut. T. S. I'dt:am
15th Native Infantry, Madras, died tith April, i sop.

Ministers have already begun. in their favourite
journals, to deprecate a Committee a the whole
Douse, upon the inquiry into the %Valcheren ex-
pedition. •' If that mode of inquiry." they say.
" have the advantage of giving immediate publicity
to the protTedings, it will have the great disad-
vantage of creating the most injurious delay in the
general business of the nation ; and from the great
(mallet of ofVers that must be examined, the at-
tention of the House will be occupied, for months
and months, to the exclusion of almost all other
business; whereas a special Committee, properly
selected, would have equally satisfied the substantial
ends of joetice, and would not have been productive
of that injurious delay in the other publit businete.to
which as inquirT before the whole House will be
liable." item on this subject we differ entirely from
the MinisturialJon mils, and sunieound our opinion
upon the recent conduct of the'-louse itself, in the
case of the Duke of YORK. In that case, the case
of the I N G.ll son, the secrecy and delicacy of pri-
vate life oereinva.lcd, and the history of his weak-
'teases, his amours, of every thing connected with
lam es an individual, was given ta the public. at
therßar 01 the !louse of Commoi.s, without rtserve.
Ia th. case of the Earl of CHATHAM, nothing of the
kind is in contemplation. It is merely a question,
whether the failure of the Expedition to Welcheren
he imputahle to his Lordship, or to Ministers ?
And as to the argument, founded upon the great
length of time necessary to the inquiry. we see
no reason why
_it should last longer than the
inquiry into the Convention of Cintra, or the
Courts-Martel upon Lord GAMBIER and Admiral
61.i.av .--sVoppovitig. Iturrerrr. that it should
occupy twice as much time as any of these
trials, if t. be necessary to the attainment of
substantial j•istice, no honest man will repent
the inconvenience. At all events, it is not for
Monsters to urge the el jecticn ; they who.
with • previous knowledge of such a weight of
pressir,t. mud important matter for Parliamentary
suousiderabou, thought fit to postpone the meeting
ripliparlianteut to ...te ,red of Jaimary, and indulge
Alseineelvea in between six and seven months of va-
.Mtliett, devoted to Cabinet dinners and Cabinet
duets—fighting mind feisetiug together, like country
'Squires of the 16th century.

Scone of the Papers of yr.ter.4..y staled, that dis-
patches hate been taken ont of a French boat. di-
rected to thP'Forsigit Office atid to the Transport
Bekaa. We believe none have been received
by Prince Sesnasnacat:, and that none of a diplo-
matic i attire could come for any other person.

♦ mad is arrived at Greenock. from New York.
She brought dispatches from Mr. JACa SON. but, as
10T...willed on the nth or tlztli of last month, they
are not of st. late a date, by several dayv, u the New
York Papers we have received.
The amities 430 vessels were pasted at LLOYD'..
yesterday morning, as being at Qnebec an the ?7th
of November, anti not expected to get away in coo-
segnroce of the ice.
Bowie the privateer taken lust week by the Brisk
storm) 01 wars there are 11 others oat from St.
Mulans. •

Lord GatartLT.E has Written a letter, all Auditor
of the Exchequer, to Mr. PERCIRVAL. on amount of
the sudden dissppeswanee of Me; Eisen. slid 111 e.
Pcacar tt. has answered.—This, we believe. is the
only foundation for a report is some of she papers,
that a new overture had ',ern made ou the subject
of forming a new At:ministration.

The he. been pleased to appoint THOMAS
A LCOCIL. Esq. to be Treasurer of the Onlimiters io
the room of JOSIPH HVNT, E. re%iigned. Mr.
HueT was the Private Secretary of Earl CAATHAM,
when Forst Lord of the Admiralty ; his Lordship
sherwards made him a Com el Viet ;
and subsequently appointed him ficasurer of the
Orduenee. is also one of the Members for
Qileirnborough, in the House of Commons.

We are sorry to say, that no certain accounts
have yet been receivasi, respecting the lion. %V. F.
Elwin. the son of Lord A ccaLsiti, who has been
missing ever since Friday senusght. He was
a young man of each mild and tranquil ba!sits, so
independent in his circunastaoces, and living in
such happiness with his parents, that it is hardly
nosaible that any thing hat • fatal accident could
be the occa•iaa of his disappearance.

ELM 4 ricers Lista meetred the sentence of the
Court of Kong's Bench, yesterday. fee wilful and
corrupt pvrittre. It will be remembered that this
waensau was sitiximed by her tunttre,n to emoted the
crane. charging 4 third person with secreting •
rts-,!ity of 'hammed.. She was adjudg►d to he con•
filled ••nty four months. on account of her already
itertrg Is.-etattoviscurd tight abootna.

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