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culty,that was the very reason erhy the motion should
be adopted, and the search set about as early as pos.
Bible.—(Laughter.)—He saw a dispositioo in the
Noble Lord to throw out a great many insinuations
shoot influence. That was very well between one
Gentleman and another ; " but when," said Mr.
Tierney, he says, that I don't exercise my influ-
ence, what, in the name of God, does lie mean ?"
--I Cheers. J—Tke Noble Lord's influence on the
opposite side of the House was one well known
and understood. He could say to a Member,
" You have a place, and you shall lose it if you
don't do so and so."—(Cheers.)—But he (Mr.
Tierney) disavowed such command ; he had
no such authority, and the charge implied in
the Nobl• Lord's insinuation was one which, he
thought, the House ought to be disposed to re-
sent. Ail the weight which he possessed, and of
that he was proud, was, that an Hon. Friend might
conic and ask his advice on an iutesided motion, as
to the propriety of bringing it forward or not. The
Noble Lord must be content with his own influence.
• The Noble Lord deprecated irritation, but he (Mr.
Tierney) asked whether arty course was more likely
to provoke it than that pursued by himself ?
Lewd Citsvuseamm rose to address the Chair,
but the cries of " Spoke, spoke," being very loud,
sat down before we could collect the purport of his
few remarks.,
Mr. WWI4I4IIIILL presumed that the Noble Lord
bad read over all the documents in question in Fe-
bruary or March last (hear, hear.)—His own state-
ment., therefore, respecting them this evening was
the most extraordinary he had ever heard. He
presumed that, before coming to the very serious
and weighty conclusion of omitting her Majesty's
name in the Liturgy, the Noble Lord and his col-
leagues had looked accurately into all the statutes
on the subject, and the long course of usage ; or
did the Noble Lord meats to say that neither they
nor the Council to whom they were to look for advice
in that matter had examined the Acts of Parliament,
110 r the usage in this respect, front the time of
Henry VIII., through the reign of James
Charles I. and 11., and every succeeding one op to
the present (cheers front the Opposition), in order
to understood ashat were the rights of a Queen Con-
sort ?—(Cheers.)—He hardly thought lie could have
understood the Noble Lord rightly when he 111111
glued him to say, that after striking her Majesty's
name out of the Liturgy, they were ignorant where
those papers were which. contained the law of the
case and the uninterrupted usage respecting it dur.
iog a period of two centuries.—(Cheers.)—Had
the Noble Lord been to the British Museum, or
the other repositories of the evidences of this uni-
form, unbroken, uuvaried line of usage, ever since
the time of Henry Vlll.?—(Cheers.)—Did he
understand the Noble Lord rightly to say that he
did not know where these documents were? The
reason why he had moved for them without notice
was, that lie had assumed, till he had been corrected
by the Noble Lord, that the Pri►y Cooper]. berme
striking out her Majesty's name from the Common
Prayer, had rigorously investigated. and closely
perused every document on the subject.—(Cheers.)
—Did the Noble Lord mean to state, did the
Noble Lord presume (Cheers) to state in the House
of Common*, that the Privy Council had struck the
name of the Queen of England nut of the Liturgy,
before informing themselves what had been the
usage of two centuries?
Mr. B. BATHURST was proceeding to express his
surprise that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
in pronouncing his censure on the imagined teme-
rity of the Privy Council, had *hewn himself un-
able to distinguish between common documents.
where the desired information could be obtained,
and documents proper to be laid before Porliamtut,
when he was interrupted by
Mr. HUM& who remarked, that since the House
had last met, the Hon. Gentleman had aceeptett
of a high office (President of the Board of Control)
in his Majesty's Government, which he considered
would cause him to vacate his sent ; and he was
Trot aware that he had been since re-elected.—
If the acceptance of an office of 5,000/. a year had
not the effect of obliging the individual promoted
thereto to vacate his seat in the House of Com-
mons. he and others were badly inforined on the
subject. He hoped lie should be allowed to ask
Ivhat was the state of the law on this matter ?

Mr. BATUURIT explained. that the Act authoris-
ing the appointment of Commiuiouers of the
Board of Control. expressly provided dust such
Commissioners as should be nppoitited without sa-
laries should not he obliged, in consequence of
such appointment, to vacate their sets. Ile had
no salary annexed to it, and therefore he was not in
the predicament supposed by the Hon. Gentleman.
A conversation on this subject ensued between
Mr. Tierney, Lord Milton, and Mr. Creevey, after
whiff'

Mr. BATHURIT cited the words of the Act to
which he had referred, and then continued his ar-
gument, that there was a material difference be-
tween common prayer books, in which all the de-
sired information might be obtained, and authenti-
cated copies of the saute, and therefore it was not
to be wondered at that his Noble Friend (Lord
Castlereagh), witlviat supposing him at all defi-
cient iu the proper inquiries or information, should
not base knows tu what offices the latter were to be
searched for.

Sir J. MACKINTOSH, after premising that it Will
at his own peril the Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Bathurst) sat and voted, expressed his astonish-
ment that the Noble Lord should have objected
that the tendency of the motion of his Learned
friend (Mr. Wetherell) would be to throw delay on
ti•at oirlie Noble Lord (Lord A. Ilinnilion), Cer-
tsinly•if the Noble Lord chose to press the House
to a division on the amendment, lie trGulrl convert
it into the means of delay. The Noble Lord had
►reined to admit that the Privy Council had
acted ou no other anthority than the vague infor-
mation to be obtained in common lib►unea—and,
fu►ther, that during eleven months, through
which the Queen's name had vetnaitied erased
from the Liturgy, they had not directed soy ex-
tract, to be made from authentic documents to
which they might refer with perfect confidence.
It appeared they were satisfied to this hour to rest
on the vague information which was accessible to
every individual. If they were not in possession
of loch extracts, then, in reality, to this moment
they could not know, but en examination of them
might clearly shew them the unconstitutional nature