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ta fir PUT I ES.

Mr. CALCRAFT asked Mr. it odehouse if he intended prem.
ing on his motion raitive to the salt Judea. to which se understated
the lam? Gentleman replied in the affirmative.

CHURCH ESTADLISIMIENT OF IRELAND.

Mr. observed he way well aware that many persons
might think so large a subject as the church establishment might be
much better managed in the discussion, by persons whose opinions
were not carried to that extent as to the necessity of a change in
that establishment, which he admitted his opinions to be. Such
was the exult; of change that he felt to be necessary. that he femed
neither the House nor the country would be inclined tug° along with
him is their adoption. It was therefore his anxious hope that some
other Gentleman, some one with more moderate opinions, would
have taken it up; but such was their unwillingness, particularly
those of the Irish Gentlemen, that he. who had little personal in-
terest in t!te matte:, felt reluctantly obliged to do so. He knew he
entertained strong opinions upon the subject, anti therefore be was
obliged to throw himself on the candour of the House. He
feared he should be obliged to draw largely on the patitsee of
the House ; but he could assure them, he would not occupy one
moment more than was absolutely necessary, to place the whole of
the Irish Church Establishment before their notice. Its extent
and actual situation could not be believed, except by those wb.) took
pains Io see it in all int bearings. He himself had spared no pains
to obta.n information, both froc.i public documents and private in-

formation, coming from the baronfonined persons. Alen Alias
inquiries, howeree. Cave was a sietkielicy of facts. which hieVeas
anemia to place before the House. The dittiwlty, hos era, regal&
be accounted (Or this simple feet, that there was ro pv:h.
lic role or &onto.; tt. he found as to the proper of the t
On other poit:ts lie hard to randy the House...L-11e hoped to v
the extent of the c vil produced by the Irish Church Edabl'iihnieft ;
and if he were not much missal:a. he thought the Rm.e eerie
not refuse their assent to his modem On this sakroct he h d
fore subaritted some nvotions, and though his own opini• er w re
tat altered. still. in deference to the more moderate Tie. • of tne
His.., and of perm whoat)trigment he reverted, he had mate-
rated his own views, is the hope of doing Fool Whetter
looking to the private or public L:story of Ireland, rs oie
could say that the who:.. system or her illosiermittnt tid
not moire alteration. No liivory trey diselsied- a mire
wretched condition of any people than that of the Itiih. since It y
came under the government of En‘lanei. In foto:a c 2,,, Mat 1.-
meutable situation might in sane dere, be accounted fe: ; helot d
was thee only treated as a colony, and hu alfas were often con-
ducted by those who were orations to sepanne her from England.
But when looking even to the last 2:i years—looking to the period
of the Caiorr in I& V. when so moth was promised ant) expecia--
e ;ten Ireland weir told how much her wadi:Ma would he ameli -
rated—it was impossible to lank a: the conduct of England sin e
that period, and not to trace the evils of Ireland to if at sourer.
Every department t f the Government in Deland required altaa.
tion—the church, the law, die whole oramsgentent and oilmListra..
lion of her affairs. He greed with his Hon. Priced (Mr. dole,
Smith, we belierei, that the extension of capital would do i: finite
service to !rebind ; but he opposed his Ilan. Frirad'si eerier, be-
cause he tbmight it only a palliative, while he (Mr. Hone) rishat
to go at atom to the root of the eviL The discussiou on that Ore-
sion, however. would do good. The question of stadia,: catilt..l t
Ireland was no doubt important; but he CJllliadeld dust of ter
church establishment pre-onsinently more so. Capital trizht be
lent to Ireland. contrary to A sound general ptineiple. but it we-.
the use of stnilin2 capital there, when the fruit. of it conld non t
reaped in proper season—when, in fret, It ennui not be prneeette.
In Ireland their was only the want of ateurity. No less tha
' tweeity-seven millions of money belonging to England root o.
every part of the world; and bad as Irish security IV" it:
thougLt many of the lenders would find they hal leis front rare
of the persons to whom they had often prodigally lent
Den not money go from this country to Peru ant: Slezieo, and mall
parts of the known world ? %Ver., not loins given to eery Euro-
pean State, the securities on some of which were as bad as any
could be I. Money was sent wherever the principle of a free.govat -
matt were supposed to exist. It was remitted to Soum Amnia.
and Greece, with the expectation, and under the hope. a. 'cum.
Capital was sent to Austria. Russia. and France— titre
were some symptoms of Jaen:riot: in the House.l

31r. H U3I k: continued: he WAS tower the:rolled in oites; dil not
stem to coincide with Inn in hie Melts upon the subject, bet he
would appeal to all who heard him, and ask, if there cot:lJ be a
Buerger mud of the state of fretted than this, that cepita: week:
not be conveyed is that country ? Was not this an aekr.os ;ode&
fact ? Was it necessary for hurl to impress it on 3linisaes that Lb,.
insecurity of the country suss the cause i Was it nut ti.e duty el
Ministers Le endeavour to remove this insemeity ? It was rat
j wise. it was not politic, to deal with Ireland by the bayonet. 314-
1 nista, should look at the radical cause of these evils. If he could
shew the state of the church elezblishreent and the religious insees.
tions in Ireland to be at the bottom of all those evils, at was u- Le-
emany foe him to state that this should operate with 311::ist'oe as a
sufficient grourel for giving the question the most serious degree of
consideration. This was his opinion, and even though h- couLt
not make out his case as strongly to the tuuterstanding of other. se
he could wish mid as ft appmeedio his own, yet hr would make *et
sufficient to prove the existence of great evils, and he would :Lent
fore be entitled to the attentiou of the House and the country. Ile
weeldallude to the rapers placed s few nights since on the table ye
speeting Saeland : a ith regard to that country it had been asserreei
again and aerate. from authority on which great reliance we.
placed, that the present improved state of Scotland, as fmf*Pstv,i
with its situation ebout forty yew, since, was attributed co-
urtly to the establishment of schools. From this statereent, he.
as an individual, differed. Ile could not believe the whole of foie.
benefit was to be ascribed to the sehoois. When he considered the
subject, he felt satisfied that the change was in a great measure
owing to the circumstance of the Scotch people being allowed the.:
own religion, which, es it was known to all, Was puttees/Imm re cue
country. iVhy not make the same ettempt withregard to leeleul,
that wu found to succeed with regard to ? Previous as
the time to which he alluded, the system
.adopted by this *meter
toward, Scotland was one of violence.. it was not dissimilar toe
that used at present towards Indendt it might be a.9nestion with
others, others, it was none with him. He lilt pertectly unified, tit e. are
their own religion were allowed to dime forming the majority ets
the sate, the bat possible cousequenese would follow, wide tins
addition, that the mesa eecortry would he maintained 'We is
great reduction of our military force. Hs Inuld beg to alletee
again to the state of Scotland in the peon 17413-1704, and to
allowed to follow the system there acted upon. It was, he des'. re
last act of the tecottishParliament, to prowl& fat the estaWisbment of
their natioecl religions and that Pullman required the enjoyment
of their own religusus opinions. It was this fact, coupled with the
establishment of the schools. that causal the change in that nouns:,
now found so favourable. U the same system with respect to ?eh,
gion were extentled to Ireland, *hat, he asked, woull i.e the ree
sult ? Would it not be reasonable to expect this system. L.-us
advantageous to Scotland, would be equally beneficial to Indere:
Ile had no doubt upon the subject ; he was as certain as that en
breathed at the moment he was speaking, that a change in Ireeciat
would take place, similar to that admitted to have taken ptice ,11
Scotland. They all saw the loyalty and moral habits of the See:el.;
they knew the changes that took place in that country, the iae ore'
and labour of that people. Others may doubt it, but he did not,
that if the Irish were allowed to enjoy their religious opintoi,e,
free tioni any political restrictions, by a parity of remontee. the
same alterations would take place in Ireland; fcr there was toot a
single brit which would not be cultivated and reedered fertile: aed.,
in addition, there would be no necusity for keeping up an imineeee
establisher-teat, for the support of which he could see no pow:tole
reason. Why was the present establishment teamed in Ire:ei
What object did it serve? The people were not charged with ..;.-
loyalty. God forbid they should ! They were not disloyal to :h:
Government of the countrry they were merely dissatisfied with :et
state of thing,' under which they lived. (.k laugh.) Ile would ..-k
Itlinisters—were they nut bound to adopt towards Ireland the wore:
adopted with regard to Scotland? He would ask, and ionpreu it
on them over and over again, if there was any possible reason why
Ireland should he lees friendly or less affected to this counuy then
Scotland. Ireland would become, if this measure werwassente..: te,
equally satisfied and contented. The disturbance which peeve:lt
at present, the irritations of the moment, would speedily subside,
and all would be tranquil. This was the natural Mune of things
it was also natural that nations, like individuals, should Le dttvee
to acts of violence and disorder by the deprivation of their com-
forts; that they should be irritauel when they found thrinseves
preauel upon by Government, sir by individuals to whom Giver:-
ment permitted the power of pressing upon them. The changes to
which he alluded would follow, it the Irish were treated with ::..'e:.
gene. if they were allowed the choice and selection of their lase
priests, and were not compelled to pay those of any idler astabLee:
ment. He asked if cendect such as this would nut satisfy the everie
that Government was disposed to act fairly and liberally moues
them ? Was it not reasonable to suppose, when peace and quiet weri
restored, our traders and manufactures would cross the thaen.el,
and remove their capital, millions upon minima, to Ireland. ('pen
this subject he had not the least doubt. lle was aware he would le;-
told of the superior industry and labour of the English. Ile eouil
maintain die Irishman to be as active and industrious as the Ere-
lishman. He slid not know bim at home, but he met the Cotter
I relate] in other place*, and when he bad any object in view i.e was
as active and industrious as the Englishman, or any Other person
could be. If there was any difference between them at home. there
was none whatever abroad ; and this very circumstance sheutd, in
his opinion, be ground for inquiry. The tine object would
undoubtedly be the conveying upon the tint opportunity cartel
into the country ; this would be the means of gulag samploymert
to the people, and of retaining at home that industry which was ie.
present exerted at a distance. The application or capital to the
country, even for one year, would he attended with the snort but.
ticial results. He was convinced, if tranquillity were restored, at it
protection given to them, our manufacturers would prefer emp ley.
ang their capital in Ireland, to scattering it upon thew present seal
speculations, if any change could be effected tie the Churele, schema
danger, and of this he fit perfectly satisfied, the most brut...Wl
result, would be derived. He lookul 'new the state of the
hutch most particularly with this object ie his view. Ile looked
to those countries upon the Continent where a diversity of re:kiri‘Nt,
opinions prevailed, where the religion of the King and Court. the:
is, the religion sit the State, differed from that of the bulk sat the
people. litre lie found no such system acted upon ; dh tt.e Lee-
' trary, principle., of an epposite nature were dupe by setae% tneee
countries were dereetuL He had made out a list, Like night se
thought a strange mice Ile meant one of tolerant and inedmun
Governments., and he was burry to say 'hie country :rim :.4u..biat the
intolerants. lie suuld begin with Spain; it w:o ;merge the
institutions of that country. that no person but Catholic sheuiel
be eligible to at.y officeor situation cavil or td.fitary. lie seta
ask, what was the consequence of this system ? M eye tile aflame
of that country in a state of prosperity ? He wouki submit if ti it
system w. re considered worthy of mutatioo by Goa Ilriteie ? A
similar system was acted upon in Porteagel. \Puttee tenantry bene-
fited by it? The same might be affirnanl of lta:y. Ile map
perhaps look at two other kingdoms in the sane retie—beenaara
and Sweden. There were in these emu-Aries ante IL toltriLt laws,
but latterly several exceptions had been taken to them, and ge7
vend of these regulations had been evaded, and eituatmers
and offices were conferral upon those who were crist.m.tard to
them. Ile would now come to Erigleed. lie •ffinued this
country to be highly intolerant : no subject here wae sol:ewed
the rights 44 cituenship if be dial not belong to the Cnurch ge
England. From thee Church one half of the pepulation re dis-
senters To these persons neither the Corporations nor l'niemelties
were open. Having now closed the list of Intolerant*. he would
turn to the list of Tolarants, and he was proud to place at their
heed the United Stems of America. There every roan oho was
naturalized by birth or law, was entitled to all the rights of a side-
ject. He was allowed the full enjoyment ofhis deinewae__
hc wax chasm to every employment to which his faleres rentler.4l