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DUTIES ON CONVEYANCERS.

Mr.i.rnref.Tov rave notice, that on Wedaraday, tl,r
19th inst. lie *mild moue for a Committee to ronahler of
the 411 h of the Kiag, e.9lt, respectiog the Duties ou Con-
yryancers.
on the motion of the Hon. Member, a variety of Returns
• e..e ordered rerpeeting the amount of Done. paid by At-
penetosing throughout England and trales, from
•ie year ISB4 to 1819, together wills the amount of their
14amp Dallis, kr.
MILITARY IFSTA nusii M ENT._

Colonel DAVITS mooted that there be laid before the
Nome a Return of the number of Troops employed in the
Wand of Jamaica, from the year 1812 to 1819 inclusive,
initineoishing the different corps, and the deaths and pu-
lshmento is each.
Mr Gontenitu wished to know whether the Secretary at
War was swore that such a motion would be made'
Culotte! DAVITS replied, Anil She umlaut' had been put
into his (the Colonel%) bands by an Han. friend, who hail
informed him that there mu on objection to the motion.
It um then screed to.
Mr. Writ brought up the Report of the Commillte on
the Parish Cleiko Bill, which was Said on She table.
Mr Alderman WOOD hoped the Bill would be with-
lawn.
GRAMPOUND ELECTION.
Lard JoHN Miasma. rose to make Ilia promi,ed
motion tar a copy of the record of the conviction
of rote.. and others for bribery, at the late Gram-
pound Election. Whatever opinions were cuter.
timed ,n that I muse on su hjrcls of general nati"nal
policy, he tro tad and b !heated that only one opi-
nion would prevail among the It.spresentatives of
the people upon a questiont like this, which writ ~„
materially to affect the real character of the country.
He meant to cast no imputation whatever upon IhM
Committee that had deci.le.i urn) the Granipound
Election, he knew their judg.nent wto necessarily
formed on the evidence which VIA• laid before them;
but he did think that that which had been rendered
unavoidably incomplete its the Committee should
be filled up by the house. They were aware eras
convictions had already taken place in the Courts
of Law fur acts committ, d at th s election. Ile
was of opinion that the Records of such c invidious
were as good documents for the I loos to oroceed
upon a; their o ; n Reports ; for upon such lterords
they had repeatedly expelled their own Nletribers.
.—trileur.)—The Noble Lord then stated, iti detail.
the particulars of the late election at Graterpound.
That election took place under extraordin try cir-
camstances of tumult and anxiety, iii conseqaelice
of an itittitiation from Mr. Teed, one of the Can-
did des. that he meant to propose the bribery oath
to the elector... The alarm was $o great at this in.
that the rumour was, there were only three
aho could take it, and two who could propose it.
Sa complete, according to the exposition in a Court
of Justice, hail the system of bribery been carried
on, that when the attorney for one of the parties
had communicated to Sir M. Lopes t list of the
vote rs bribed at the election, the &swot expreeAol
lis surprise at the correctness of the list. It op.
',eared, that out of sixty elector. thirty-fix had re-
ceived bribes; this accounted for the alarm iii the
borough at the threat of the bribery oath. Mr.
Trrtl, who laid threatened the electors with the
bribery oath, had soon relinquished his intention.
It ;vas afterwards taken up by others, but the oath

I%di not put, from what cause lie could nut sly,
it in.iy lie right to observe, that the indivi-
i;na: Wit'g Mel" to administer it was either nt.iltreAteil
fir thrtAtriAll ciith ill-usage in the o.tirrt. The

:Noble Lord then alluded ti; the trial and cimv.ciion
a Sir M. Lopes at the Exetes Assizes, and detailril
the evidence of Alderman Hoare, one of the Ma-
gistrates of the borough, who hail st ited, ttatt Su
early as 1815, Sir M. Lopes had been itegociuting
for the election, and had offered a loan of 2,0001.
1.1 the voters, provided lie could sr.:iire forty or
tiny-tire to his interest. The Learned Judge who
presided st the trial of Sir M. Lops bud said,
" that such practices were extremely pernicious to
the Constitution, and most fatal to the character of
the conort.y."—(Hear.)—lt was impus:ible nut to
frond this mode of obtaining seats in Parlia-
ment ; it was the obvious prelude of that
bervirgicy to Ministers, avid compromise of princi-
ple, winch fur private interests merged every sense
of public duty—Mewl—it was that aloe', kit t„
the triumph of the individual in the enjoyment of
his own narrow interests, over those larger and
snore ennobling feelings which good men cherished,
and which it a.ts true policy to cultivate.—(llear.)
—With rest,• et to this election, it appeared, that
besides Sir M. Lopes, Wl* bad been room! against
tgliteen ntlieor, but by a comproinise it was under-
% ourt that t:wy were not I.kely to be brought up
far His object was hot so much the
punishment of particular individuals, us an investi-
gation of the state of the borough. —(I/ear.)
It was such a state of corruption into which he
wished to institute inquiry, to prevent its abuses
Loin brio.; thrown in the teeth of those a ho looked
torward to a moderate Parliamentary Reform. It
ought to be the wish of Parliament to protect the
temple of the Constitution, t o guard it against viu-
awn. The only way in whirl, this cuu;d be done
was by the iorliction of exemplary punishment upon
the ditorlers, who bad so aigrantly siolattil 11.1.
.;nitres t;iey owed their cuun try.—(l/ear, Itear.)—
'fbe Noble Lord concluded by tooting—

0_ That there be laid before ih.: llamas a Copy of the Re-

curd of Conviction of Sir M. Lops% at 111;e. AIbIICS at
!menu, and of the ludichnents against certain Electors {,f
41.14611p0und, fer babery at the late Llectiuu."

Mr. S. Hot:out suggt sted the propriety of HI-.

trriog the form t.f th—e motion, for the purpose rif
K,iitig it practical effect. The document, called
tur would overload the subject, and tend rather to
peu:ilei Mau elucidate the transactions to which it
was ilia object of the r ioble Lord to call the Men-
u'', of the House. 'lle strongly recommended
sannlitication of the .aiotioo.
Tile kifOiLNEY-( i'ICXECIAL also suggested the
separati ag the record. fir which the
• •6.e Lord moved, ynd briugiug the documents
Lae the !louse in a more c 'studious form.
Ur. SCARLETT I `ought that general extracts
i.,014.1 be made front the material parts of the re-
, •ods, so its to brio g the subject fully under the
Low,,i'leration of the House.
sir J. Macula -roan concurred in this opinion.
Mr. WI( s Mar of opinion that the documents
i.udit to be for, and the !louse could then
;wile its own bele ction.
load CISTLECLAGU thought it would be as well

f+ withdraw tl.e motion. for the purpose or plotpiog
it so as to meet the general wi+lies of the
Pod at the same time to meet the slows of the Noble
11l over.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS could not see how the I lollop
could get into the real merit or the question sinless
they bedtime whole of the documents before them.
There would be II great difficulty in getting at the
original documents. as some of them were taken
out of the. Crown-office by the parties concerned.
Sir J. 51Ack:Ntosit thnoglit that the !louse
ought to call on the proper officer fur the docu-
ments, and it was for him either to return them or
account in what manner they had gene out of his
110119e*S` On.
. . . . .

Mr. W. WILLIAMS explained that it was the
plactice for the associate, as lie was called, to give
them to the party applying.
Mr. SCARS Err could see no difficulty in making
such a selection of the document► as would facili-
tate his Noble Friend's purposes.
Mr. DENMAN concurred in this opinion.
Mr. %VT NN thought the best plan would be to
order the documeuts from the proper officer, who
was bound to account for them.
Lord .101 IN RIMEL!. consented to withdraw his
motion, for the purpose of making the alterations
in its farm which would meet the general views of
the Ilouse.
MARQUIS CAMDEN'S TELLERSHIP.

The CniSCP.I.I.OR of the EXCHEQUER,. in rising
to more the first reading of the Bill for regul .ting
the hlarquir Carndeit's Tellerahil►, observed, that
it was iinpnavitile he could introduce this measure
witliont making a ft w comments upon its nature.
The Marquis Camden held the office of one of the
Tellers of the Exchequer in ►uccession from his
father ; his fees were those of immemorial usage,
and in time of star their amount greatly lucrra•rd.
Mr. Burke, in his celebrated ►peec;i, hrd eloquently
described the natur-, origin, and amount of the
fees attached to this office. By Mr. Burke's 11:11
the emoluments were fixed. after the subsisting
claims. at 2.7001. a year. and all the Tellership•
except those held by the late Marquis of
Buckingham mid the present Marquis Cowden
were placed under that regulation. In 1813,
the two Noble Lords addressed a conjoint lette►.
offering to subscribe the surplus emoluments
of their office, ..eer the reduced rate, to the service
of the State. The amount so sub-cribed by the
Marquis Camden. amounted to 43,0001. After
the late peace. the Noble Marquis continued his
subvcription. Which amounted to an annual sacrifice
of 9,000/. a year.—j bear.)—When his nu-
merous family was considered, this application of
so large a part of his income ought to be justly ap-
preciated by the country. The Noble Marquis's
present object was, that the country should, by II
legislative mower,. avail itself of a continuance of
his great and liberal offer. This was one of those
great and dignified instances of patriotism and
public regard, which in every country in Europe
would find more admirers than irritators. lie
moved thittin Bill, to enable the Exchequer to
accept the noble offer of the Alsrquis Camden, be
now read a first time.—(/tear./ . .

1.%41 CASTLEREAGH, in seconding this motion,
begged to say • few words. The Noble Marquis,
who had dune himself so much honour, had con-
tributed before the peace of Amiens 24,800/. out
of his income to the services of the country. The
totel sun lie had in this manner nobly and gene-
rously contributed amouirted to a suns of 61,7401.
It was irsipinesible to contemplate this disinterested
resignation of a portion of income, not less than
9,0001. a year, without feeling the gratitude uhich
the country owed the Noble Marquis for his slur&
ficeut conduct.—(//cur, hear.)—lt was the most
splendid sacrifice of private right fur public
good which history recorded.—(Hear, hear.)—
This office was originally conferred upon the father
of die Noble Marquis, when he resigned the lucra-
tive office of Chief Justice of the Coomion Pleas
to devote himself to the Parliamentary service of
his country. ft devolved, according to the original
grant, to the son of the first possessor, the present
Marquis, who came forward to make this spleinlid

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sacrifice—a sacrifice which, though it trenched
upon the pecuniary means which Ins successor
would inherit, would yet leave him an endowment
of high and patriotic character which was not to be
estimated by any amount of pecuniary possessions.
--(Hear.)
Mr. TIERNEY was glad that an official difficulty
in the mode of applying this money should have kit
to the present pleasant discussion. It had often,
both in public and private, ►truck him, that this
splendid instance of a generous sacrifice had trot
met with the reward it deserved from the public at
large. lie thought the act of the present Marquis
was the greatest sacrifice of private interest which
had 'ever bran made in this cotiotry.—lllear.)
The profits of the Noble Marquis's office were his
own private property, and could not he taken from
him by any legal pretence. It was moat gratifying
to see that the office which so great a character as
the original possessor enjoyed, should descend to a
son who proved himself in this case to he so worthy
of his sire. The Right lion. Gentleman concluded
by expressing that some resolution would accom-
pany this Bill, which would record the high sense
the country entertained of the amble offer of Mar-
Tais Caniden.—(//ear.)
Lord CALLUAMPTUN could not concur in the
opinion, that because time office of time Tellership
of the Exchequer had been conferred upon a meri-
toriuus public servant, i► was therefore out of the
cuotrol of Parliament either in its duties or amount.
Mr. TtERNEY explained, that lie did not mean
to say this or any other office was beyond the con-
trol of Parliament. lie had only stated that this
was a vested tight, the resignation of any part of
which reflected the utmost credit upon the Noble
Marquis.—(//our.)
Tie Earl of CALLIIAMPTON explained.
Mr. LIAIIIIES stated the nature of the duties and
emoluments of this office. The conduct of the
Noble Marquis was the noblest instance of muni-
liceoce to his country that modern times could re-
cord. Some ounce of it should be haven in tl►e
preamble of the Hill, and also upon their doom's.
—(licar.)—Hr rulogi.rd the great Weans and con-
stitutionst learning of the predecessor of the Noble
Marquis, mud complimented the regent Lord upon
Isis noble and generous conduct on the present
occasion. lie stated that ou the second reading of
the Hill he should suggest the insertion of sonic
word. to cout•ey the leeliag of the House towards

an individual Rho hid set such r siiigsilAr ex.linple
of generosity nrol disinterestedness.
Mr. WILBERFORCE lore his testimony to the ea-
cellent nod generous exiiintile which had hero NI
I.v the \stile Lord on the present nees.inn. The
Noble hid already given the nnlrlic nu-
wards of 60.000/. not of his priv.ite awl exclusive
property. This wa‘m voluotary gift, w irh could
not lie too highly praised—it was real sod valuable
patriotism—sand it was to the glory of this country
that she could boast of such characters, who fortr-t
their private interests in the larger sense of public
diiiv.

Mr. C. LONG begged leave also to hear te•ti.
tunny to the elevated and rli4interested view. of the
Noble Niargitio, who Caine forward so generously in
behalf of him country. Ile complimented the can-
dour of the Rigid Lion. Geiillerran oppmite (%Ir.
Tierney), and concurred with him in opinion, that
the flume should embody ;is the Bill the high
sen.e they entertained of the Marquis Camden's,
offer.

After a few wordq in explanation from the Cita N-
CEI.I.OR of the EXCHEQUER tool Mr. IIANKE9

Mre FO RISES t xprepsetl the pleasure he frit ut this
motion.

Mr. RICHARD MARTIN Shortly sti,•;verted the
nmtioni.

The question was then pnt and rarried nem. cun.

GRAM POUND ELECtION.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved for the material
extrac sof the indictments on which feveril per-
sons were hied and convicted at the last Aiwizei for
the county of Devon, out the charges of bribery
and corruption committed by them at the late
election for Grollieltoul.ld.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected to the mo-
tion. lie considered Chit it was not epecific---it
called far materiel extracts—it did not define whit
the in iterial extracts were. He unbinitted that it
was by no means clear that the officer could know
what were the material parts. The motion ;ibis
took for giantrd that the conviction actually had
been bun, of which no evidence was before the
Mouse.

Mr. SCARETTT said, the I-Brined Gentleman as- I,
swim' that the officer could out know wino the
material parts of the indict ni.its were; there weir
tyro answers to this—first, this the Officer would
know %hat acre the material distiuyui•hrd from the
formal parts; of the indictment ; strunaliy, that in
the case the officer should not he able so to distin-
guish them, the plain c•autse nl• tite salfierr would
be to give a copy of the (wire soilictment. lie
considered the objeciino as inertly melutic•al. As
to what had been said, that by agreeing to the
motion the !louse WOUI4I 111.11/ InP that the cutiviction
took place—certaioly they would—but they WIP till I
only assume in this case, as it. has been assumed in
many other cases. But if no comicti an had taken
place, then the officer would say that the House was
mistaken, and would report that tio conviction h,.d
taken place.
Mr. THOMAs COURTENAY objected to the mo-
tion, principally on the ground that it was nut
specific, and that the officer could not be able to
distinguish the different parts of the indictment.
Mr. SCARLETT said, that any attorney's clerk
would be able to distinguish the material from the
formal parts of an indictment.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE said, the material parts
of the indictment might be contained in a small
t•beet of paper.
The question was then put and carried without a

111 r. GouLnußN rose to move for leave to b; 13K
ill a Bill to amend the Act 57 Geo. ill. c. 63. so
tar us regards the tiial of murder and manalaurliter
in Honduras.
Mr. 11'11.11CRFORCE strongly complained of the
waut of sutf►c►ent protection to the ►nhabitunt. of
New Zealand, whom he described a► a rising people,
nu'►uus to cultivate the arts of peaceful industry.
The law at ',reseal only gave them protection
against the commission of the crime of murder and
manslaughter, but left other climes without award.
lug any specific punishment. lie hoped that the
Learned and Hon. Gentlesnan opposite would take
up the subject, and give protection and security to
these people. Ile hoped that the Guyer iiiii ent
would tenderly nourish the first buds of civilization
that appeared amongst them, and by guarding
them against insult, injustice, and oppression,
would prevent them from relapsing into that °rig'.
t►at state of barbarism, Isom winch they were hap-
pily e►nerging.
Mr. GouLuuaN said, that this country could
claim no tetritorial rights in New Zealand.
Mr. AVILISERFORCE said a few word. u► reply,
when the tuutivin was put and carried without a di-
vision.