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eretionary power ?Or esning public meetings prorii!til by the
Biel. A Sheriff' may refuse. to convene a Tr. tio:,a Magistrate
May refuse. said so may a Grind July. So that instead
of liberty, the people of P.uland may err despotiem reared
m the heart of their country. It us. his firm ripModi that
Ottnistat• et C..lltrillit'. some of the meetiiiffii of which they
gomplalued,ntol with this impression he curt! I nut consent
to oive.thentforther pones', kanwing full well f the
of Ihe,plut.fhT toMiner is which they
the the (more the means iii!rnsted 10 them -(Hear.)

Lod FOt.:r.STOtiti. lamented that Gentlemen tneamiet well
to the country could vote for this Bill, under lb. idea that it
would nut be permeneut, and might he applicable to local
ptirpieees. He had quite a different opinion, and whether
LIPS measure were.eau local or temporary, be should give
the 11th his decided dissent. It was said thy Bill did nut
'inch upon the right of petition ; it was said that Lord
Lieutenauty, Sheriffs. Grand hirers, and misers' e..u1,1 call
a county mertiux smiler any tareuevistances To this he
sould rep's., he knew no instance of a lAirel Liestruaat call-
ing a comity mediate, and am to Sheriffs, he saw many in-
'tante* in which thy did no credit to themselves by rausasi,l
le convene county meeting.. A. In Gram' Juries, the Sheriff
wouid Wee care to select the members of these Juries at
will—and thin-fore their power would be urutralised. It
tr.ta said that noirostbstasidnie those Acts, the old district
meetings might be lield—ilia' is, ilea parish melange; yet
on what term. wire they to he held ? .terms which
blvatroyetl the right ofpetitiun ; for by the details of the Bin,
any spy may naltlify the whole ptuteedlogs of a parochial
melt.. X, by Pertiesetoosty stopping after a quarter %A so hour.
The 'Noble Lord contended with great force that the present
:1' lt went to It'e root of the Conatitutisin, and it did so with-
no t any joust close. foe by all the septette's of Geutiemen
Nipositetbe evil was local and temporary. And all Ibis was
o• prevent inquiey—whirls, however, notwithstanding the
t (forts of Ministers, must at "Safi take place is some shape
nr asother. The very difference of the accounts which were
rivets reoutertinte the Manchester business *hewed the Faeces.
eery of invtiry. First, Ministers differed iu their state-
o.ents one from the other, sod the published pamphlet of a
yrotientau, named Phillips, who defended the Magistrates,
was different from all the accounts previously given, so that
in as inquiry could the real truth alone be found.—(h ear.)—
Bat his great objectiou was the permanency of the proposed
E.essore. If they would puss a temporary Bill, and then
1....ve an inquay, fur it was vain to dunk this could be avoid-
r.', he cool,' have no objection. It bail been 'aid by a Right
ktati. Gentleman (Mr. Peel), that even though the meeting
siepeared to have a heal character when it assembled at
nanctiester, yrt that it was still better they should have
heels dispersed, even trough blood was shed, than suffered to
go on. It was the spirit that actuated the Mae:straits of
he complained, soil which could not be jostifird.
The Lord Mayor of London had teis-d Harrison its the face
of the Heeling at Smithfield, anal it bad been avowed by a
torstlemse olupoent down in the blaucloister mail coach a
uay or ten beftee the IGih August, that au order was glees
In :Wrest Ow orators at lhat town in the face of the meeting.
With reference to the Cill before the Hiter, be thought it
tundeqitate, and would hr very ready to pass stronger Bills
0: a heel and tetliptivary nature, if flint would abandon
their prerrot intention, but he could go no further. When
wav ready to do all thus, ke, at the same time, avowed the
tiesiessity of on Inquiry, which, he repeated, must ultimately
he admitted.--(f/ear.?—He would erns Minieters against
the guilty, hut nut against the innocent, Dy putting tate their
'on I. a ~,, ivi real power of punishing every man who was de-
•i, tired by their spies. Hr concluded by repeatiaK his
• it,org flirt. oat of Ministers and their object.—(Hutr.)
11r. is explanation, admitted that he had *said it
oat 'settee tne people had liven dispersed as they were at
Nl.aretir<ler, than suffered to proceed Nether. He yet beg-
• d to quallfs this declaration, lest he should for a mamma
lie i•oosidered as the advocate of bloodshed, whoa he was, is
fart, .oust itosicus to ward off slw Jocadfal allerustive. Ile
reason for bus leaving stated what lie bad donee was, that be
/.died if that tneetioe had guile off it would have been ful-
lest,' by another, and that the end inlaid have bees Ilta
evrthlarr would have been called spas to wa, sad nine's
toot, tilmoistord weigh' have ensued thee host occurred ins
Slur lath Automat at biaticheeter.
04.1 FOLKSTON,: was glad to hear the Right Hun. Gen-
tl.•misi's explesiatuia, but lie still could nut suppose that a
s. ..... I meeting. at Manchester would have been snore vio-
tree +Loo other meetings which had taken place in various
p..!.. .•r the tummy, and which had separated without
any pretext for resorting to military force.—
W▪
ear
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Mr. Wigwag (we understood) said, that the present ems.
von. wire actually accessary, not to infringe, but to pro-
tect the real liberties of she people. it was atoning* that ;
claims of liberty were wt up incompatible with the nal '
seventy of the country. The name of liberty may be
abused like soy ether name—the air that supported buman
111.-, the son that fructified the earth, weight be hurtful, if
Itut3 mollified, and so might the influence of liberty—
(:.'ear„ hear, hear,--He then defended the Manchester
Mogistrairs, and contended that the pre.eut Bill oent
1,, testriet, not to obliterate the tight• of the people.—
Tire lion Member then pronounced a
rg one' Coble. ti, who bud exhumed nod conveyed to this
'roarer>, the onliallowed rentals. of Paine—, ter bad brought
th..as hither fot the purpose of creating a frenzied feeling
1,4 acetic of his projects, and like Zteca, who desired that
hi. this should be made iota a drum to rouse his count'',
met., la:abed to stir sp impiety suit disaliectum, by
the eitlubitton of these bones to the irritated pope.
levels of this conotry.—(Hear, hear, Aear)—To thew
ler isscwitsinency and want of principle of Cobbett,
he lead a encomium from a part of his works, i• which that
writer adopted Mr. Wyndham 's phrase of the "
weettiode." and applied it to the persons who availed them.
selverof soup shop relief. Tb• Hee. Member thee glanced
at yew ion of Reform, and expressed his gratificetion
that theeely lion. Member who had advocated the principle
ei ..•uireeani aufErage—(ftir Francis Burdett)—had since his
'ration revoked, or at least not persevered is his opinion.
Ti.. lion. Member complimeuerd the worthy Baronet upon
Fw •4.4e1l it y --it remiuded hies of the observation made by
Ma, C.- C'esst V• to Cicero, wt.) expressed his astonishment
that orator could have abased him sti mach at one time
;..ri••eri him so highly at souther. The reply of Cleric •
that he was merely shelving his topsail', its making a
slued erserch epee as execrable sett:feet—(A lariph.)-111e
Hen. 31riuber then quoted a speech made by Mr. Henry Mb
ti. Vie year 1737, which recommended to the Government of
Met day rtratig tnessams, whew 'impiety and ineffective
.ta:keit abroad, aed I overared the then esisting otomaily
win• the peewit!, which left no other corm epee le lilnia.
leis fw tl•e preservation of the public peace. He was, there.
fon., a wow advocate foe the peewee Hill.
I on! Mattes condemned the Bill es a direct infraction
of 1;:e I :glo of petition. it was indeed called a Bill to pre-
vret witatiois awnings, whereas le fact it was a Bill to pre-
e• , any Mrtitara whatefevet, ewer gush as were couvreed
certain enuditioin, meristiows aril with specific
trao.rois. the effect of this alteraties N the law would be,
et the Gentlemen of the nriglibuurboed, whose attendance
salutar': at the meetings of the People, could out
/•• !store he p,teekt at tile. *liftmen bean liable to the
u, bra lalltalliOna of llto 'gleam its this 801 l agaanst
Al! Mat.)

HMI Friend Lai alluded to what liad pored in 1737.
hot mode sodium for his mgespent—for the measures of
tbrt de) had ra terrain to the affair of Carlota Puttee*, at
Laita.laurgla. aid the final enactment which (allowed was
wriest), ciirfiwcd to ahr City of Edinburgh, where the out-
ingr bad been committed, and nut, ac was uow pruptand.
u.ltte to extend to a whole peupk. The ltiuble Lord ewe.
jived Illiatatent to result tu healing wearies with a die.
tressed 'work, rather the. to those abenottuu between
il•rsti and their Gurerusewt.—(l/der.)

M. PaILIA* atodossued iu the strostaest anon* this
astotti.stion .d setae's' sod petarauent loossures to sand he
cotoodaved but local aid temporary evils. If ibis Sill were
wear pained into a law, a would Ito an rails *boast alba
bituouga of the British Cousiihstiou. That Onstiiteaioss
lied grows rep wader emeoseree of • very thalami rest hoot
*toe wow propeeed....4l hod groom up wader the freedom of
'be Peter—stmter tbe right of asertiag to disease pioneers
—trotter Its morrtieu wed euereise of popular privikasta.
lrr lies. klefobrot that repruleksi the amptepseat of repro

iare. jhe 4.1001101 ar wbifh were wow contemplated
Ifilllistr frur )
Luc., CIiTLYRIAGIS, al some /mirth, defestrhal the pre-
'walk Kill, Alai experoard ltu (reg. couvirlioo. that if it vn•rr
enacted far a tempora►y daratioa, the di...1r.-tied, trtaienda
being pot down, 11.1141 invoke new cco.thletice mid trials
sleeve:ft, and reorthl shape their Inorei ibsozs go a. 1.114111!
1143111 nit., I• lay the iuntaitt of tic expirnliun of Ith. 11.11111C1ive
wafer.% fir denied that the COI 1.4.111 to affect the
right of pelitiot: ; 011 the contrary, It.• thouel,l It weal
to serene that right from !belt.; put into jiuparily by
the d,affr l.d, and to define and poilit DO to the ytupli
bow they metal clicerior it in warty nail witlogoir !wing
exposed to that interference, which, aa iu the sfl+tr of Mau-
chest. r, inezhi lead to painful regalia an all...cling their Owl,
safety. Whit Plate of shier.' could be worse than that which
compelled a 111316 I,ke Earl Fii.withao, of undoubted Itry.
Fifty, anal equally loosest principle, to congratulate Cneeris
meat no the peaceable seperntinu of the meeting ■t Hot...hi
Nlnur-,-* Meeting the whole afore and object of n hirli wa■
use disnentivation of Irramosabie principles. The Noble

Lord reiterstrtl his opinion that Ike adop. tiou of this Bill,
by giving She people • clear ■nd detiard piiiiriple to guide
them at their utrelinv, would preserve rather them impair
their comstilatiotial rights and 'privileges. He insisted that
the Bill would lw useless if out passed in a permanent furiu.
Lord l'oa.msvom • explaiwerl.
Mr BRAUMONT did not mean to oppose the Bill, though
he thought it might be locally applied, and without tle• 11,
eeMily of senctiowing it a, a primanent mimoue. the
lion. Member alluded to what occurred at Newcastle in the
course of the present yrur, and still lopped that the measures
which it Wa“ the intention of Government to propose would
only be commemorate with the eminence of tlw evil.
Mr. Josh Simon complained of the permanent principle
upon which %homers messed diagrammed to sal. He
agreed is the weressity of restrictive istemures, and if Mims-
leis would limit the period of their enactment—if thry
would even my they shoot.' only bare uprisi ion fur thrre or
four years, he fur one would be ready to give them his my-
port with some triflimr ansetirlinents in the details. Iles great
objection wm, that the evils were temporary and the restric..
two permanent. Distress, not disloyalty, was the cause of
the discontent that prevailed, and he could out moment to
measures of permanent liaishuess and restrictiou, alien he
knew that an empty shiumili had led • great portion of the
people to the comminution of those acts fur which they were
now about to suffer.

Mr. BROUGHAM regretted that indisposition left him little
energy to meet the present qnest ion ; he still hoped to the
indaleence of the House, while he replied to the speeches
of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castlereagh). and the
Right Hon. Gentleman behind him (Ir. Peel). The Noble
Lord was full of candour in the initialer in whieli lw Odom
diced the present measure. He had told the people, nut
of what be was about to lake twos them, but of whet
in the form of privilege/ they 'sold 'I he
Ntilate Lord both claimed their candour sod credit for
not imposing a censorship on the press—for son at onse
potting a public to the sword in a gnarls r of an
hour after some spy *load,' perttuarioissly n fore to quit
a laical metliog, after his attendance is a Wringer seas
discovered; and last, not least. fur tint absolutely smiting
down the trial by jury.—(//ear, larar.',— floe Hon. Gentle-
man condemned in strung terms the power-slings of most a
the iiubtic meetings that bad beets held throughout the
couutey,' as they tended less to promote the cause of liberty
than to furnish excuses for silt invasion on the reniatining
rights of Englishmen. It had been said that some of tlw
propositions put loath at those meetings were .absurd; ad-
mitting the fact, that was out a good reason for destroying
the constitutiou. Alluding to the crime of training and
drilling, it was, to said, already the law of the land that per-
sous fouled training so military exercise, unless fur innocent
porpoises (and it was far theta to skew the innocency of
these purposes), were guilty or a miseletneauur, and if they
went a step further, they would be guilty of the luelieut
tonne ktitoru to the law. Such was the 14w, hut if it was
deficient in this respect, let it be remedied. The Pitt how.
ever proposed, wan not a Bill against training, but a BM
against the freedom of eliecussiou—a Bill against Liberty.—
i Bill against the consittutton. The question was, first, if
there woos cesium of public dmiger ; siteasielty, if Ililalle sites-
were best calculated to meet that dasuger ? The Noble
Lord said that 'hose Bills ss • re constitutional—that they were
Duly meant to purify piddle meetings—yet ; they would
purify in the same way that tire purifies, by destroying. It
was said that meetioge might be held if called by Sheriffs;
bat after the experience they base had, it was riot to be
expected that Sheriffs selected by the Crown would incur its
displeasure by callnig public meetings of the people. Within
the last tau months flu re were five refusals—Essex, Hama-
'shire, Wiltshire, Cornwall, and Beekshire. Amongst the
names who weir found to protest ariiust the ealltug of
public meetings weer those of Lords Lieutenant of Countits,
and Gentlemen intimately cousweleil stilb Coverument. lu
the protest against the meeting at Southampton was the •ig-
mature of the Secretary of War, and also thet of a Cabiurt
Al:niece—the Duke of Wellington. Grateful as be felt fur
the high sersiices of his Grace, lie would wish to ate him its
crease that debt by standing fur the liberties of his country.
the Hon. gentleman next passed to an examination of she
Bills luTure the noose, wlsoilt he said were severe, and were
yet insufficient. They prohibited the people from amebae
to ebecuse ma in Church and State, hut they did not
prevent the people Isom meeting. They wight theu, temp if
the Bill weir passed, inlet in large mist iablics—they might
meet for any purpose Init {list of politaal discussion,
and they could not be put down by the Bill. Ile con.
sidered the Bill, therefore, extremely defective. If there
ruuhi be II cause, Itl/WeVrf, suede out toe it lie, fur WWI,
would lake a share of the responsibility. He cited nut
how be might be imsrepreseuied—how he might be calorn.
niated—he caged uut whether lie should be held nut as the
first person who proposed the finite suppresasua of public
meetings altogether, even at the inumeot when be was at-
temptiug to save Irons Menial ilestroction the remaining
rights of his country. The law now proposed was excessive—
war snesorahle—it wa. nu operate uoivereally, ausl it was to
last fur titer. He would implore the 111/111W to pause Mfose
they would agree in pitch a law ; he would implore them
to eotosider Wl9lll au h nghahmao was—whit he ought to he.
He togged of them not to leave it ill the looser of fo-
reigners to say, Ifoglssiosien at last have got tired of thew
liberty—they have become corrupt—they have become
luxurious, and they have &some shaves—they have sacri-
ficed to their tnausdictures the Constitution of their mom-
Isp—aast the liberty they inherited from their stable ancestors
have perished in ago of degeneracy avid of shame.
Lunt Pot-steams spoke in detesee of his conduct is
signing the Southompion protest.
Sir WILL Mat na CusescoT, Mr. LW. PoLt, and Mr.
BROUGHAM, explained.
Mr. Maswtu. objected he the notion.
Strangers we're ordered to withdraw. The Honor they
divided, obeli this numbers were, for the seconsl reading—
Ajes
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Majority 223
The Bill was then rend. It was then resolved That the
Bill be n fermi to s Committee of the whole House.
Lord CaIITLIKVAGII otiallred that the Heine should revolve
itself into the Ceinaonce tu-suutruw (this day;, which was
agreed to.
The Howse then Adjourned at FIVE MINUTES BE-
FORE THREE O'CLOCK.

In consequence of the late connonicsi Circular► of
Lord StostutTri. Eic ship gnus. which were placed
in the ground birfore 21 Gentleman's holm. ill GAM.
head. with • comitcliug ebaur, for thr huwsur
purpose of prevrattHg iyissseogers tumbling over
the bank in tie dark, were last week removed
holy their *dilation. and no fence put up it their
place. Wr do tut know whither the guilt have
been sent. but au early report will probably make
known their " place of safety."—.(l erccoark
Paper./
His Honour the MASTER of the ROLLS will hike
causes by couseut, surd petitions. this day, at three

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