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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. Dogdale brought in a Bill to enable His
Majesty to grant Letters Patent for the erection of a
Theatre at Birmingham Read a first, and ordered
to be read a second tim., to-morrow.
Mr. FEBGITSON moved for leave to bring in a
Bill for enlarging and improving the harbour of
Peterhead. in the Comity of Aberdeen. Leave
gi7en.
Mr. Byng brought up a Bill for supplying the
inhabitants of Stratford-le-Boa, in the County of
Middlesex, with war-r. Read a first. and ordered
to be read a second time.
Mr. Bathurst brought up a Bill for improving
the harbour of BristoL Read a first, and ordered to
be read a second time.
A Petition was presented on the part of William
Henry Fremantle. Esq. complaining of an undue
Rerun for the Borough of &slush, which was or-
dered to be takes into consideration on Tuesday.
the 14th of July, along with the other Petition pre-
sented from the same Borough.
A Petition was presented from Wiilliam Sergison,
Esq• complaining of an nodes return for the county
of :susses. Ordered to be takes into consideration
on Wednesday. the ad of July.
Mr. CREEVF,Y gave notice. that, upon Monday
met. he would move for the produCtion of Copi-s
of all the Ethpatelies relative to the unfortunate
Mutiny at Vellore

SMUGGLING.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
veer, and moved " for leave to bring in a Bill for
the more effeaual prevention of Smuggling." In
doing this, he made a pasticolar allusion to the
smuggling of spirits from the Islands of Guernsey
and Jersey ; a praClice which had too long existed,
and which a late A.ft had been passed to prevent.
By that Aft no ship was allowed to clear out from
these Islands with spirits, unless contained in casks
of certain dimensions, for the purpose of preventing
smugglers from having tin opportunity of disposing
of their spirits to small dealers, before reaching
their destination. This provision, however, had
Men evaded by smagglers carrying nut with them
s quantity of multi casks, ieto which they emptied
the kap ones no their passage, and dispose/ of the
spirits contrary to law. This new Bill was intended
to Gloriae that practice, and also to require those
ships coming from Guernsey and Jersey to give
bond at the Custom Houses there, for the purpose
of insuring the delivery of their cargoes at the place
of their destination. Besides this, at was intended
to offer rewards to the Military on these Islands to
encourage them to detedt smugglers ; and to
amend the former Ails in various other particulars.
Leave given.
On the motion of Mr. HUSKISSON, it was
ordered that there be laid before the House an
Account of the numoer of Ships that cleared out
with Spirits from the Islands of Guernsey and
Jersey, in November, December, and January last.
ARMY CLOTHING.
Mr. ROSE stated to the House that he had, dur-
ing the late Session of Parliament, moved for certain
Papers respeeling the clothing of the Royal Ve-
teran Invalid Battalions, as it had occurred to him
as a matter wor:hy of consideration, whether or not
it was possible to make any saving in the expense
o: that article 3 At the time be left the -.itnation of
Paymaster-General, the clothing was furnished by
a contractor, considerably under the price charged
by the person substituted in such contrails by the
Noble Lord who had succeeded him. 'This change
understood had been made under the pretence
articles so famished, by the former cots-
, were not equal in point of quality or fabric
,se furnished by the subsequent contrattoe.
allegation was made, although during the
held that office, every suit of clothes was
examined and approved of by the Iwpm:tor-Se-
' as well as by the Commanding Officers of
battalions, both in England and Scotland.
former contra/tor was a Mt. Courtney, who
turn,hed a suit at one pound three shilliogs. while
-son wha was appointed iu Ins place

charged IL 4s. 91 for each snit. The minntes
which had been formerly produced by the Noble
' Lord opposite, (Temple), pursaat t to the order of
the House, relative to this subjeEl, were far from
being satisfatiory ; the letters which that Noble Lord
had received, disapproving of the articles furnished
by Mr. Courtney, being the only ones laid before
the House. It appeared that the Noble Lord, after
coming into office, had written several lettet s to the
commanders of some of these battalions, requiring
them to state their opinion of the clothing fur-
nished by the contraaor then employed. The al.-
over he had received from the commander at the
Tower, made no complaints as to the quality of the
article, but only stated that the suits were rather of
a small size, a disadvantage which, upon being
represented to the contraetor, was immediately
remedied, by others or a larger size being sent
instead of them. Another letter states, that the
commanding officer saw no reason to find fault with
the clothing s and adds, that it was regularly its-
speifted, and found to correspond wt' the pattern.
These, and other letters that were sound in the
office, bore testita.nly to the quality of the workman-
ship and the mateti•ls. This, he could assure ihe
House, was no small matter of con-ideration, and
it was with a view of producing a future saving to
the public, that he was now troubling them upon it;
because, were the clothing of the whole army to
be furnished by such a contraCint as the pet son
alluded to, the difference would be found to amount
to more than a hundred thousand pounds a year.—
His prin,ipal objea was to effea the produEtion of
sach doctiments as appear to have been withheld,
notwithstanding the order of the House ; for he did
not mean to make it the subject of any tormal com-
plaint ; because, when this inform ition was laid
before them, it might be a fit matter for .the in-
quiry of the Financial or Military Cimmittees.—
The Righa Hon. Gentleman then cencluded by
moving, •• That there be laid before the Hause
copies of all minutes and letter. transmitted to the
Paymaster General. respeeing the clothing of the
Royal Veteran Battalions, and all order. as to the
price of such articles, betwixt Ist August, 1804,
and Ist Jane. 1807."

Earl TEMPLE said, that it would not perhaps
be thought necessary for him now to enter into
detail upon the snhjeft, as an atter opportunity
would mem ; but the statement the Right Hunotn-
able Gentleman had made, created at least the
necessity of his stating a few tads to meet it. He
could not help noticing the extraordinary manner
the Right Hon. Gentleman had taken to bring for-
ward this charge, at a time when a Niilitary
Com-
mission was sitting, and a Committee of Finance so
lately appointed, both of whom were likely to pay
attention to the affairs of the Pay Office. He
should have thought, that if an evil, such as the
Right Honourable Gentleman had stated, a&ually
existed, it would hot es:ape their observation. The
Right Honourable Gentleman had taken upon him-
self to assist them in the duties they had to per-
form, a task, which, in his opinion, was far from
being enviable. Upon a former occasion, when
this subject was before the House, he had stated to
him that ;here were many letters, adverted to in the
minutes, previously before them, which prevented
the necetsite of producing other copies of roe origi-
nal cotrespandence ; as the doing so, without reser-
vation, would be producing many duplicates.
There was nut a single letter to which the
Right Honourable Gentleman had alluded, that
was not adverted to in the matures already Wore
them. If he (Mr. Rose) inipetied these minutes
more rniuotely, be would 6ud even those very re-
ports of Ccatmandir.g (Akers of B tttalions, upon
which he seemed principally to found his accusa-
tion Besides this, there was at that time other infor-
mation which he had received as to the improper
clothing of the Veteran Battalions, but which was
not communicated in such a manner as could justi-
fy him in producing it. From that difficulty he
had since been relieved, by receiving certificates
from two of those persons woo had formerly com-
municated with him privately by kites. Mr. Box,
the person who is now the contra/tor for clothing
the Battalions alluded to, had, at the time of the
Right Hon Gentleman's coming to that Office,
fulfilled these contras for a period of 15 years. At
the time he (Lord Temple) succeeded to the office,
he ri c.tived many complaints respelling the qua-
lity, size, and workmanship, of the clothing fur-
nished to the Veteran Battalions ; in consequence
of which he desired a suit to be taken at random,
from those so lurnis'led to these Battalions, and
brought forward to be compared with those fur-
nished to other corps. Upon this comparison, the
first observation he made was, that they were of a
very small size, of bad materials, and very impro-
perly male up. This, joined to the complaints he
had received. encouraged him to take away this
clothing contra& from Mr. Courtney, and give it
back to the gentlemen who had performed it for I:,
years. Upon inquiry. he found it was perfeSly
true that Mr. Courtney did furnish the clothing at
a lower price than some other clothiers ; but before
he gave it to Mr. Box, he got a comparative state•
ment of the prices charged by other respeEtab:e
clothiers, such as Mr. Box; Mr. Pearce, Mr.
Beaufoy, &c. He found, that although Mr.
Box c'iarged 11. 4s. 9d. for what Mr. Courtney
furnished at 11. 3s. yet the difference of quality did
not warrant him in giving the contrail to the lose-
est. By the accounts which he held in his Land, it
appeared that the sum expended or* Mr. Box's
contract was 12,4961. while that in Mr. Courtney's
contra& was 11,5 .4 51. making the excess of the for-
mer above the latter amount to 1,6 u IL Here the
Noble Lord read a letter from the Costrnaading
Officer of the second Royal Veteran Battalion, wise
had been in that situation for three years and a
half, io answer to one of his letters, stating, that lie
(the officer) had had an opportunity of ascertaining
the paints upon which the inquiries v.ere made;
and that he felt nu hesitation in swing. either
upon his hunuur or upon his oath, that the cloth-
ing furnished by Mr. Courtney was far tide.
rior to that furnished by Mr. B ; and that
the other was perfe.tily unsuitable, both on ac-
count of smallness, quality, and vela. :atanship,
to afford that comfort which was tercescary for an
old soldier. Besides this, he read t certificates
frosts other persons, which were both equally ex-
pressive of the pr opeety of main:. a change, on AC•
count of the badness of the a-. "les furnished by
Catattney. He should appeal to the House, if they

did not think he teal J tirg no.hiis mere than his
duty in altering the contraor ? and he might I
Appeal to his successor in office, whether, in I
point tef fa, he had not received several letters I
from oflisers, wishing him not to change the cloth-
ing ? Upon the whole, he could not think that the
country would grudge the sum of 15(111. when the
objea WAS to add to the condo' ts of those who had
grown old in its service. With respea to the Gen-
tleman alluded to, Mr. Courtney, he might state,
before sitting down, that he was far from having any
desire to injure his trade or reputation as a dealer ;
but if any exposure had been made, he had to thank
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. With fovea
to the manner in which the Right Hon. Gentleman
had brought forward the charge, he should only as-
sure him that it provoked very differs:lit feelings than
those of apprehension, for the s esult, whether he
(Mr. Ruse), thought proper to prosecute it fur-
tner, or to leave it to the Committees ahead), ap-
pointed.
M. LONG stated, that it was very true that he
had received applications respeeting the clothing
of these battalions ; but he did not feel himself at
liberty to comply with the requests made, as the
different commandune officers have been directed
to advertise for contraors to clothe their iespeaive
battalions. He trusted. that this question would
undergo some further investigation in the Commit-
tee of 17inance. The Noble Used had read vat ions
letters and certificates, but he could assure him that
there were several others found in the office in direct
coutradiaion to them. The Noble Lord had left
documents which give quite a different colour against
him. After writing his Letters of Inquiry to Com-
manding Officers, he had nut chosen to wait for their
answers. After receiving no one answer to seven
letters, he makes a minute, stating, that, in conse-
quence of the complaints made, as to the contra&
ter clothing, it was to he taken from one pet son
and given to another. Tilts could be easily proved,
by a reference to dates. He uaderstood too, that
the Ouches furnished by this Mr. Box, at 11. 4s. 9d.
per suit, were au ually made from a pattern at those
furnished by Mr. Courtney, at 11. ds. Upon these
grounds he was exceedingly unwilling either to do
a thing so injurious to a private individual, such as
Mr. Courti;ey, or to be so regardless of the pub-
I lic interest, as to allow such a sum of money to be
thrown away. without investigation.
Earl I'EMP LE explained, that with respect to the
returns made by Commanding Officers, and alluded
to by the Right Hon. Gentleman, they were such
as were made at the time the articles of clothing
were sent to the respearre regiments, and not such
as were made after those clothes bad been exposed
to wearing.
Viscount HOWICK argued, that this Was an un-
fair proceeding on the part of the Right Hin. Gen-
tleman who had brought this matter forward, be-
cause he did not seem to do it for the purpose of
proposing any subsequent motion, so that the Noble
Lord was to hear all the accusations that might thus
be aside against him, without having an oppottn-
sky of calling upon that Right Honourable Gee-
Oman to substantiate it by proof, or to call
upon the House to hear the evidence which he him-
self had to adduce in his defence. It was a matter
which naught have been taken up by the t:ommittee
of Finance, without his motion. All the Noble
Lord could desire was, that the matter should he
investigated. He thought it would now be the
Right lion. Gentleman's duty to proceed Wither,
and make a distinct proceeding to follow the pre-
sent motion. From the evidence now before them,
he really thought that the Noble Lord bad done
nothing but his duty. He knew nothing of this
Mr. Courtney, but he did remember that there
were formerly great complaints as to the marine
cinching. and he suspeeted that it was that Geode-
man who then furnished is.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that this proceei.ng aatrally arose out of the
Noble Lord", iown conduct. It was true that the
Noble Lard had brought forward documents firm
his pocket tending to his own vindication, by shew-
ing that charges and complaints had been made
against the clothing, but the singularity of the
case was, that hr had forgotten, he had left letters
and other documents in the Office, which not only
did not support these complaints, but adluatly nege-
tient' them. It appeared that those minutes which
were produced last Session, were completely fal-
sified; so that if he (Earl Temple) experienced in-
convenience, it was entirely owing to his own con.
dud. There appeared to be a suppression of that
which justified the whole proceeding. It mattered
not whether there was a reference to the letters in the
minutes, it there was not a reference to the substance
of them.
Mr. WINDHA hi observed, that it might be
argued the Noble Lord had proceeded injudiciously
in leaving tetoss letters oust of view ; but the question
Was, Cntlld that justify the Right Hon. Gentleman's
proceeding in bunging this matter forward, and
then saying that he will abandon his charge to any
other person who may choose to take it up ? This
was not a proper mode of proceeding. If it was
meant at all as a charge against his Noble Friend,
it was not right that it 'bassist be so abandoned. He
( Mr. Rose), might be right in what he had done, but
tile question was, was he right in not doing more?
A conversation of considerable length ensued
uOn this subject ; Mr. Johnstone. Mr. IVilbertorce,
Lord Henry Petty, General Tarleton, and Mr.
Htiskisson. each took a part.—Motinn agreed to.
Sir James Pniteney presented the Ordinary Army
Estimates.
Viscount HOWICK wished to know whether the
Extra-Estien ties were comprehended within those
produced? and whether it was not usual, when a
new expense was incurred, to produce it under a
separate item ? Therefore it was that he considered
it a more regular proceeding, that the Estimates
applying to the appointment of Inspecting Field
Officers of Yeomanry, and the additional pay to
the Volunteers, should Le separately presented to the
House.
__________ - . .

Mr. HUSKISSON admitted that the expense
arising from the branches of service alladed to,
wore included in the sum total ; but, at the same
time, it was competent to move for a return of
thou,: heath of charge.
Mc. WLIsIDHA VI thought it necessary. that
when a new disposition was made, and a greater
expenditure incurred, the fullest intormitiln trJuld
be laid Were the House.

The SPEAKER observed, drat it
of Parliament to receive the enirnati
total, the manner WAS left to the CrOV
course to the future investigation of the
Viscount HOWICK said, the sum
estimates amounted to one million four
ninety thousand pounds. Consideri
that a great part of that expense
new. but in direct contradiftion to t
opinion of Parliament, he was de
move for the separate estimate of the
The CHANCELLOR of the EV
said, it was impossible, under the
cumstantes of the case to ascertain
much remained upon Conjeaure ; /et I
not, when in his power, refuse the prods
details. Indeed tt would not hecor
had so often and so ineffettlually calls
pets, when at the other aide tithe Hot
in office to oppose the motion for pt
He proisosel that the general estimate ,
Mtn cons4l,:ration on to- morrow,
estimates with respeft to the volunteer
should be made the subjen-matter of fur
General }TM P A 'l' RIC K thoug I
m. rtion necess iry en either side of the'
would be the fullest opportunity I
and discussion, when the Resolutions
moved, founded on such estimates.
were ordered to lie oa the table.
Mr. Ashton presented the Ordinal'
Rstimates.—Ordered to I,e taken into t
to-morrow. •
Air. ROBERT VOARD presented t.
Navy Eatunates, and declared his intention of mov-
ing certain resolutions thereon to-morrow.—Ur-
dered to lie on the Fable.
MR. PRRCEVAL's CHARGES AGAINST TIM LATE
Mr. ADAM rose, and expressed his regret at nor
having been in his place when the Right Hon. Ger.-
t lemon indulged in his charges against the late Ad-
ministration. Hid he been present, it was meta-
ingly probable that he would have saved the titr.e
of the House, or it least, guarded it from Or..
pensions which had no support or validity, eh!
in fad or supposition. Much stress had be.:;
told, upon that occasion, upon the divisioc
of the Shrievalties of Sunderland, Clackmantian,
and Kinross, (turn the Counties of Stirling sect
rife ; but a little consideration was only arm-
sary to ansier the charges which Ministers
had made. In the first place he stated, that the
Office of Sheriff Depute was one of very serious
importance, one which inv:,l veil very great ano
pressing duties. He was nr.t rooly a retcraiog
Officer, but he aped in a jodicial capacity, and was
the administrator of justice to a very great Jr(' •
portion of the county population. Indeed,
money could not be better bestowed, than in remu-
nerating the man who filled offices so generally and
locally berth:W. But what was the complaint? it
WAS this, that the county of Sutherland, com-
prising a population of ::1;,000 souls, separlit,
from the county, under the jurisdiaion of wirus,
Sheriff it had been placed, by mountains almost
impassable, had received a Sheriff Depute for itsed.
and the great burden upon the country WAS only
3501. per annuTP. a proportion cf which went to
compensate the Sheriff of another county for his
resignation. In the counties of slackmanaan and
Kinross a similar appointment had taken platy—'
appointments, he resisted, n few imaucoe., b•JJ
arising from actual necessity. In these last contr.'s,
the administration of justice was so culpable OT
si
negletted. that even there was not a gaol for the
confinement of malefattors, and men who had to
complain of a violation of the laws, had at least to
travel 70 or 80 miles before they could obtain even a
hearing. It was idle, indeed it was unfounded, to as-
cribe such appointments to Parliamentary influence.
They arose out of the necessity of the country, and
were but the extension of privileges and rights")
those counties which stood so much in need of them.
A more del.cate subject he had next to touch upon,
lie meant the grant of a pension to Lord Cullen, a
Lord Justiciary of ffcutland. When that subject,
WAS introduced, he was not a little surprised, and
he was (see to confess that he now adverted to it'
with pain, inasmuch as in his regard for the con-
fidence which was placed in him by that learned,
able, and enlightened Lord (Cullen), he had still
a duty toper form in releasing the late Adnsinistrs-
tion from the attack and the stigma which were
attempted to be attached to it. Ot Lard Cullen he
could not say too much, his womb aad talent, were
appreciated by abler and more powerful men. le
consequence of the charaEteristic greatness of
intLa
talents, he was called to the Bench by the
Lord Rosslyn, and the Duke of Portland.-
In fat, the pension alluded to was •
the latter Peer ; it was made in the
had the ltoyal pleasure, though the
not made nut. Soon after, that
went out, and the late one succeeded.
Ministry Lord Cutlets was well knot
assured that it was equally wieong
hom those embarrassments which
from devoting his own official revenue,
thirds of it, to clear off the debts or
the late celebrated Dr. Cullen, so
in the medical world. To talk cc
granted with a view to Ministerial
mentary influence, was to talk nonsense
argue upon its being a grant ,
was equally nugatory. From its
be a grant for life, for otherwise
dude in the Memorial no reversion
Independent of that to grant to t
pension during life was a perms
in the teeth of a positive ad of Pa.
the late changes, he had the honour
cation from the. Duke of Partland•
of the Noble Duke to see him on '
was unwilling. in these days
mony, to subjett himself even to
obloquy, and therefore he declined
lingtoa House. Of this he was cot
Duke of Portland was not acquainted
charge ; and fart:ter, that if the Messed
sent back by the Baron' of the Scotch T
would hate been guaranteed by that
He concluded by moving. that
with respeft to the appointment
in the Counties of utherlsnif
and the other referring to Lore
be laid upon the Table of the

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The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLANT,
considered these appointment of Slierif,hips as a
grme. uncalled, and unnecessary expense He
vss surprised, that in their zeal fat rival and new
rolessorships, such as those of medical jurispru-
dence and military surgery, they did nut also snake
gme srlellion with reseee to Dr. Hunter's Museum.
Mr. C. W. WYNNE argued ably against the il-
Deral system of not rewarding literature, and not
elenur4gi„g iMprov..ment.
Mr. COCtIitANE JOHNSTONE said, he hap-
peeed to be in that part of Scotland at the time these
ow appointment of Sheriffs Depute took place.
He was at the house of a Mr. Williamson, an Aftiva
sod howse Magistrate, and who had fulfilled the
duties of his °lke, the very hour when he received
eeletter of Earl Spencer, demanding his resigns-
on in very strong terms. The remark of Mr.
Williamson was this, " Gude God what a Isere-
faced fool, Mr. Johnstone." (Aloud laugh. f With
respea to the grant to Lord Cullen, gn t ,r as it re-
,„red to Lim, he was not to objedl ; but
you tetra to the to Mrs. Cullen. he
vould say, it offended the virtue aud morality of
Scotland.
Mr. WIL LI NM DUJDAS deprecated the in-
t. Id Ilion of subjedts hurtful to the feelings of those
i• Jirraed with the qnestion
Ar. LAING argued ably in favour of these
appointment‘, and proved that they remedied a
grievance which did then exist. It was a fa& that
the former Sheriffs never did ride in th Cnunties,
though bound to do so by law for ate least four
sucnths is the year.
Mr. STEW ART and Lord TITCHFIELI)
spoke against the appointment of the Sheriffs De-

pule.
Mr. W. DUNDAS (Member for Sutherland)
proved, that for the common administration of jus-
tice, it was aaually necessary that Sheriffs Depute
should be appointed for those countie., in Scotlard,
whose population was not only great but in-reaiing,
and where it was irol)oSilige to get even a common
i.ause heard, without a journey, over a most
mountainous cu r,try. of seventy or eighty miles.

Mr. BOYI.E differed widely from the statemeet
of the Hen. and Learned Gentleman wlie proposed
tee Motion. He was anxious to have the fullest
discussion upon the subject, and at the same time the
most complete informatien upon which to found
that discussion. Mr. Boyle concluded by proposing
as an amendment, " that there should also be Lit'
before the House, copies of all representations
and Asia] correspondence, between these Sheriffs
ai:d the Secretary of State fur the Home D •part-
'tient."
Mr. CROKER was against giving !Mired re-
wards to direct merit.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
seC, he should not hare troubled the House to
tr subjed, but for same observations which tell
trop a Right Hon. Gentleman on the opposite
henth (Mr. Wm. Dundas.) Ne did not think the
public would derive much advantage from the p.e-
.ent discussion. He deprecated this womait's was
of recrimination as much as any mail ; but in poise
s: fad, he rather thought it was a u omen's war of
attack, and not of recrimination; but the Gentle-
men at the other side of the House raised the cry i.t
• Nt Peculation," as if they themselves were all
punts ; as if they never dealt in reversionary
grants, or unnecessary pi nsions ; and they throw
etfium and stigma open this Ids 'f also 140,2. e.
in order to shelter themselves from observation or
scrutiny. A discussion of this kind must arise from
a knowledge of fads. But what, he asked, were the
inciples of those gentlemen, and how did their
predicts tally with those piiticiples? (A try of heir!
4421 P frame Mr. George Ram, and other Gentlemen on
the Milasteriai Bench.) He always had his own view
of the last Administration. They held out to the
world false colours ; they would persuade the public
that their objet was to correl abuses. and to curtail
all unnecessary expenditures; but how faithfully
have they kept their promise? The discussion of this
night was a procf of their Teal objets. Tueir pro-
fessions were great, but their pradices very uncor-
retponding ; they raised the cry of " No Peculo-
lion," forsooth, while they were aggrandizing them-
selves ; granting pensions without precedent, and
Places, where no such places were inexistence ; and
yet these were the pure and virtitous men whose oh.
jest was to deted abuses, and reform publit expend
tures. He thought it high time for him to snip off
their mask, and lay bare their real char.tders to the
world. Under such circumstances the public must
reap much advantage from this sort of recrimination,
and this sort of attack. at least the real tharadtrs of
these in whom their confidence had once been
placed, could appear in their true colours. The
Right Hon. Gentleman next adverted to the grant
of a pension for life to Lord Cullen, which he
highly reprobated, as tending to aired the inde-
pendent situation of hedges. He then took notie
of the appointment of the Sheriffs. Ste. which he
also condemned in strong terms ; and concluded by
saying, the general complaint against the late Go-
sesetnent was, their giving pensions and grants in
ell quarter. while they unfairly and improperly
withheld them in another.
Mr. WM. DUNDAB shortly explained.
Mr. HENRY MARTLN was happy to hear
Lich were the sentiments of the Right I lonourable
tt.' Chancellor of the Exchequer, and he hoped
t • te inquiries be so ardently seemed to seek, would
r• t speedily be dropped. ( crq q( heir, hear, frees
tar Altaisteriel Bench. He rejoiced to have the
eo)port of the night Honourable Gentleman
I Mr. Rose) in this sentiment, knowing how much
lie despised and depiecated all jobs. When
Lee 'yam under which the country was governed
was reenlleded, when the the records of Parliament
were examined. what countenance will that Right
Nonnorable Gentleman display to the world, when
hie mask is taken ot? He for one would support the
!tight lionourable,the Chancellor of the Exchequer
mthis systom of inquiry. and he knew and felt his
!Coble Friend (Lord tisearick) and his late colleagues
in mfice, would most anxiously court and meet such
investigation. With leaped to the calumnies which
had been thrown mu against his Noble Friend, and
I. insinuations of the Right Hon. Gentlemen. they
were as unfounded as they were disgraceful to
t.,ose who used them. He presumed, from •be tone
of tfw Chaacellne of the Exchequer, that he meant
fodnw up his acas.ations by a subsequent inquire;
etel if be was nut as enemy to this woman's wars as

l, was pleased to term it, be would have shewn it by 1
another mode of conduct. He t.bserved the gestures
of the Rt. Hon. Gent. (Mr. Rost) when he talked of
jobbing. But he would ask, was this to be considered
a woman's war of recrimination, when, at a time it
was absolutely necessary to husband the public
fonds, when we had witnebeed the prodigal use
of eat. public money, in the very first aft of the
Right Honourable Gentleman's (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) Administration, in endeavouring
to Aggrandise himself by the grant of a lucrative
place for life, what could he call this less than
a dr•tes'able job? But this is not the whole of it;
and he trusted the motion of a Noble Lord
' (Cochrane), fixed for Tuesday next, might be suc-
cessful ; then, indeed. we should see from whose
face tl.e meek had been torn, then we should see
win had the best right to recriminate. But the
gentlemen on the other side dare not come forward
with any specific or diitintt charge ; if they could,
they would have soared those insinuations so wan-
tonly lavished upon his Noble Friend, and the other
Gentlemen on that side of the House.
Mr CANNING, in a speech of some length. ri-
diculed the peripicucus manner (as hb termed it) in
which the Hon. and Learned Gen:Leman anima&
vetted upon the question before the House.
M. WILLIAM DUNDAS againexplained.
Mr. ROSE gat up, with some warmth, in answer
0 the Honourable arid Learned Gentleman (Mr.
Martin) and said, that he could not sit silent, and
hear his name conneCted .itn jobs, in the manner
the Honoorable Gentlemen had alluded to. He dared
him to show in any manner how he ever profited
or was concerned in jobbing of any kind. All he
ever received from the public, was the fair reward
of his services, every part of which was well known
to the public. If in his life, in any one instance,
he had ever profited by this means, he should des-
' pise himself, and consider himself deserving of the
utmost censure and disgrace, and he put it to the
face of the Lear ned Gentlemen to chew that he
ever was cenne.eed with any such trae.saftions.
Mr. MAR rim replied, that he certainly meant
nothing personal to the Right Honourable Gentle-
man ; his observations were general ; but in his own
insoficetion he hoped he might be alit:did t) state
nis sentiments, tinder the correllinn of Tfie Speaker.
in any manner he thought most proper.
Mr. WINDHAM said, the question before the
House did not seem to him liable to the imputations
cast upon it by the Gentlemen on the other
side of the House, with so mach accrimenicus
warmth. This woman's war, as it was called, ap-
peared to him to be of that sort of declamation
used by the Right Honcwabts the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, and in which he seemed to take pt•cu-
liar pleasure i it was carried on with that kind cf
temper, and in that sort of tone, which reminded
him of a passage in a very layout ite poet, where he
describes a man who says, " Nor will I allow a
great or noble man to walk in quiet to his grave."
He then entered into a g.-meral view of the sttbjeet
before the House, and &tended his Noble Friend
(Lord Howick) against all the insinuettons and rt.-
elimination on the other side the House. in allud-
ing to Mr Martin's observations upon jobbing, br
observed that the Right Hon Gentleman (Mr.
hose) was delicately sensible upon that subjet
tie was sure his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr
Martin) did not mean to say that the Right Hon
Gentleman was ever connefted with any ming lie.
{ iohbing ; 'et an ensiaressowei• letejachae best4ooe
into the world, and the general understanding firm
this suhjeet was to that effect
Mr. ROSE further explained. bat in to low a
tone of voice, we amid not coned his words.
Mr. HUSKISSON, having expressed himself
hostile to the appointment of two Sheriffs, to the
pension to Lord Cullen, and the miter topics in de-
bate. observed, as a turtlser proof against the late
Administration; that the pension of 40001. per ann
granted to the late Chaneeilor of Ireland (Mr. Pon-
sonby ) was so granted without providing against lii,
having a place equal to that amount hereafter ;
whereas in all former grants of a similar na-
ture, from the time of Lord Loughborough to the
' present day, it was specially provided, that when-
ever they should obtain any other official situa-
tion equal to that annuity, then the same should be
void. In the warrant granting this pension to Mr.
Ponsonhy. no each contingent was provided
against.
Lord HENRY PETTY, in answer. said, he did
not know how that fart might be, as it was possible
to have originated in mistake ; but this lie did knew,
that he signed the warrant, conceiving it to be ex-
aelly similar to all those of the same description.
Be that as it may, the Ad of Parliament made such
a provision wholly unnecessary, as it provided spe-
cially for snch contingencies.
Mr. HUSILISSON then, in explanation, said, he
should make a specific motion on this sabjeCt.
Mr. ADAM, in a most able and eloquent reply,
which we regret our limits and time will mot permit
us to derail, combated the objeftions of the Gentle-
men on the other side, and supported his own mo-
tion with supei for strength of argument.
The original motion, with the amendment pro-
pmed by Mr. Boyle, the Solieitnr-General of Scot-
land, seas then agreed to without a division.
Mr. HUSICISSON then rose and observed,
that he had some doubt whether the Aa of Par-
liament did or did not prohibit His Maj sty from
granting pensions to the Lords Cianceliors of Eng-
land and ir•eland fot life. He wished to know,
therefore, whether it was a mere accidental mile
take? as otherwise it appeared to him that the grant
to Mr. Pansotiby was an unconditional grant for
life, which that House had no power to prevent.
He concluded by moving, "That there be laid
before the House Copies of all Warrants granting
Pensions :o Lords Chaacellors, from 1801 to the pre-
sent peel id."
Viscount HO'sVICIC rose. and declared he had no
objeaion whatever to the motion of the Honourable
Gentleman ; at the same time he could not help
thinking. that the Honourable Gentleman was not
the most qualified person in the world to resist inb.
proper grants. when a certain marriage-settle-
ment wa: recollefted, and many ether grants to the
lionouraSle Gentleman, hi, f ',slily. and conneaions,
4ot by welt means, Inc L ird only knew, and for
what the Devil only kne v. It wis not a happy
measure to come from th • ~de of ate Honest, when
lie Doke I rout; I, and oa ..ve.:. that every Member
this sitting on tllg rICASU4y bench, all of elie.n; to a

Man, enjoyed some place, pension, or grant, either
contingent to themselves, or in reversion, or ex-
pedescy, as provision for their families and
relatives; he could not think this mo:ioa came
with much grace from that side of the House.
It he was to single nut one man more than another,
as the most unqualified man, taking all the circum-
stances into consideration, Ile would say the Hon.
Gentleman was the most improper and the least
qualified to bring forward such a motion in thst
House —His Lordship believed it was not the lutes.
tion of that Govertment, of which he had formed I
a ;tart, to give Mr. Piinslnhy more than other Lode '
Chancellors had received before him. He did not
know what might be the nature of the grant
to Lord Erskir.e. but he hoped that also would
be laid before the House. Those w:io knew
the charAer of Mr. Ponsonby—those who were
acquainted with his inJepenience and heerallity
of sentiment, well knew, that he himself would
be the first to cancel any improper grant made
to him, he would be the last man in existence
to take advantage of such an ad. If it was A mis-
take. no man would so soon resign such a grant, or
put it in the power of His Majesty's Ministers to
really such mistake. He should say no more upon
this subjed, except to declare, that it was not the
intention of His Majesty': !ate Ministers to make
this grant different !ion all others of the same kind ;
and if it became necessary to bring a Rill into Par-
liament to ratify such an error, should the Hon.
Gentleman move it, he would be the first to se-
cond his motion. But what, he asked, was all this
objeflion for ? to what end did it lead ? To what
good could it tend ? The Right Hon and Learned
Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had
threatened to take off the mask from the faces of
the Gentlemen, at his Lordship's side of the House: it
was his turn, however, to draw back the curtein,and
expose the performers behind the stoner. He
thought, indeed, all this was calculated ter the sole
purpose of diverting the public attention from those
inquiries which the !louse wished to set on toot.—
In this situation of affairs, he could not but the more
lament, when he observed the sort of spirit with
which every discussion WAS cart it'd on, and the amis.
messy and recrimination which mi;ed tneinseives in
every debate; these be considered would only
the more enforce a rigid examination into politic
abuses, and he hoped would reduce that part
Of the expenditure which would most benefit the
public service. The cry of uNo peculation," to be
sure, was most properly applied by Gentlemen at the
other side of the House; and he hoped that the
charges that had been made, would not be found to
prevail with the public to give up inquiry ; but that it
any improper offices had been appointed, the House
should examine, and condemn or censure as they
found expedient. But this was net the 3bj..et of the
Gentlemen opposite ; no-411'k object was but too
apparent—their wish was to lead the art .ntioo at
the House and of the public to these topics of
improper appointments and grants, in order to cover,
with some pretence or other, the Lite alteration: ot
His Majesty's Ministry, and the new appointments
on the Committee of Finance. Upon the latter
rubjed, then, what has been done ? The Right
Honourable Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer) has appointed eight new Members to the
Committee at Finance, all of whom were seleßed
by himself, in order to give him a decided majo-
rity. This, he trusted, would not be forgotten.
—it would oho be meal:anted. that Owen Members
of the former Committee, among whom he must first
name Mr. Sharpe and olr. Lamb, who were ohjeded
to by that Right Honourable Gentleman, as unfit
Members of that Committee. because they were
the most attentive of all those whe attended, and
the most indefatigable in seeking out abuses and
detediug peculation in every shape. The third Ger..
tlensan, who had been rejeßed by this Wet Hon.
and learned Gentleman, was his Hon. Friend next
him (Mr. Whitbread), for no other reason whet•
ever, but because he was the active prosecutor
of Lord Melviile. These were things well worthy of
remark, and would not be easily forgotten by that
House, and the public at large. Wha., then, he re-
peated, was the (stied of the charges of these Hon.
Gentlemen ? Were they not evidently intendei to
mislead the public from the late appointments in the
Vieancial Committee? and was not this extravagant
b of the Right Hon. Gentleman evidently calcii-
lated to stifle and destroy all inquiry into abuses of
the public expenditure ? All he should say to all
their taunts was, bring forward all the charges they
pleased, he was ready at all times to undergo an in.
vestigation.
After some observations by Mr. TAYLOR. and
some further explanation by Mr. HUSKISSON,
the motion was agreed to.
• Li ;ion motion of Mr. ROSE, leave was granted
to bring in the Americau Intercourse Indemnity
Bill.
The House went into Committee upon the Irish
Customs Continuance Bill, and the Report ordered
to be received to-morrow.
On motion of Mr. BANKES, theßill for prohibit-
ing the granting of Offices in Reversion was read
a second time, and ordered to be committed to-
morrow.
The report on the Dublin Paving Petition was
taken into consideration, and a sum of 4,0001.
agreed to, in order to enable the Lord Lieutenant
to make certain grants for cleansing and paving
certain parts of the City of Dublin. Report to be
received to-morrow.
The Traders' Assets Bill was read a second time,
and ordered to be committed to-morrow.
the other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of, and at half past twelve o'clock the House ad-
journed until to.merrow (this day).

FOREIGN INTSUJOBNCII.

TONNIN.;k.N MAIL

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Bust itl JINX 17.
The troops of the 9th Corps ot the &and Army
entered Zsitisbe on the I6th ot June, ascorditig to the
capitulation. The garrison, consisting ot 5,50 /
men. Are prisoners ot war ; and, alter having defile
befoie His Imperial Highness Noce Jerome, begs
their march on the same day for France.
Tilollll, JUNI 6

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