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ciphs ot taxation adopted in enuntry whatever.
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to the 'milli...sof colt tiun, the plass of
apportionment was far front being vaisiitable.—ln
goose counties, such sir Ulster and t hstsusiugliti the
putatoesgardeise were not tithed at all.—ln ;Keay,
the II the of potatoes wes tats of %is, per
acre, mid in two districts tinge to it. it is. treble
that act .—This he thought was a severe 1104.4
disturbances of the White Boys were
solely owing to the grierancra die Tythe
System iu those counts-see, where arbitrary modes
Of exaction existed; while its othera, where they.
-did lest exist, no disturbance bad taken place.
lie ditl not wish to conned this inquiry with the
l•queetion of religion, as Ise W 44 convitsced the Ca-
„tholics paid the tithes more freely and snore will
ln4ly than' the Protested*. Tee former abstain
from retina:nice, from motives of delicacy, sal to
political disatfestion mingled itself with their diti-
duet ; the utmost they detininded, in any balance,
was, that they might be allowed to deal ininiedi••
ately with the clergyman for the tythes. If
the matter of tytlivs was to bee the sub-.
jest of future discussion, it was surely propet:
that the Home. should •be prepared far
In the views he had in regard to 4 cotansinsition of
tythes, he thought nothing but a cciinitletesorm
mutation would ever tranquillise Ireland. It
.would put the established chtirch on a happier
footing, and would afford pro ate,. encouragement
to agriculture. It was quite paredexteal that pas,
lure lands should be riciapted from airy prtssiium
to the church. linked all the greet lauded pros
pridore, sithough more interested io tile church
establishment, were exempted from the payment
of tythes, a cirrunistantie which was nsost diocese-
raging to agriculture, and en evil which could only
be remedied by a cosennuttition of tytlits, by which
every individual should pay his portion tu the cler-
gymen. finder these circumstances he should
vote for the 'notion for inquiry.
Due Das, in explanation. IMO, he
meant to convey any other opinion, thee that this
was a subject highly worthy of the consideration of
Parliament. He thou&lit, however, That the in-
quiry proposed was unnecessary.
Mr. Pustular raid, it would be highly satis-
factory to know at what pt rind Government would
think fit to make any inquiry, or adopt any mea-
sure upon this subject. • Lust ',elision the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer had stud, he hail even
zone the length of prepariug is Bill to remedy
these evils ; bet this session he said it was
so full of diffitialties, that lie tsd Mntliet 1)11 tr I,"
poise, 1111, any measuire to adopt. When his lion.
Friend (Mr. Parnell) moved for kiwi to brine ica
bill, the previoes clue-bee atm moved, for the waist
ol informatics's—no telortnatiou War. yet procured.
'ltrid now the House were told it isits-tisatiecessary.
The time was tint far distant when that Hight Hoit.
Gentleman and all others Weeibl find that informa-
tion, as to Ireland, was indi-iwirsabiy necessary.
The system of tythes was.a subject of gre it impor-
tance, and slim !el with great difficulties, but
not such us were wholly insuperable. The argil.
ments used against adopting this measure, were
ti:e hest resisons in the world for taking it tin-
mediately into considerations The imigi - it
was deferred, the more was Ireland expo-rd
to calamities and aifficulties of steers keel. Why
still the ili4tit Hon. Gentleman not take some step
in the interval, since last 11"Saittlat to roe", the
information he wanted ? Why did he now say,
diet stn account of the difficulties artilimportatice
of the subject, be should take no step at all ?
The subject was of midi vital importance for the
tranquillity of Ireland, as well as of this country,
that be hoped his lion. Friend wield take the
sense of the Hoene upset it, stud that Government
would slot meet the House with the same igtturate•e
next session as they, did upon this one. As to ex-
eitieg dangerous expectations, how credit it Le sup-
posed that well a matter entild lot conducted seett-
ly? It was impassible te proceed in any way without
exciting the hopes and expectations of the people
of jitelenti upon thts Subjece—The measure pro-
posed by his Hon. Friend, approved to him to he
both judicious awl temperate.—lt applied to the
Crown, as to the Head of the Chervil, to inquire
rule this church property.—lt place) the nomina-
tion of the persons composing the constuisition en-
tirely in the Executive Government, where it ought
to be.—lle hoped that these repeated motions
upon this subject would at least have /this good
effect, that they would campel Ministers to adopt
smite mistime to ameliorate the situation of Ire-
laud.

Mr. GIIATTAX thought that the Commission of
Inquiry proposed would not have the desired effect,
as it had been generally found that such Commis-
Gimes were inadequate to the objects in view, end
rather tended to discourage the ntloptinti of a mea-
sure than etharwise. Even although such a Com-
mission were to deliver in a report, he should not
Le disposed to reckon it •binding. He had been
many Commisvions appointed By the Crown, but
they had keen foetid never to go to the root of the
evil, and rather tended to reconinteint a feeble than
an effectual measure. He thought that it would he
•better to move, next session, that a committiv he
appointed, and that the loss of .this motion would
not enthariass that one. •
The CMANCIII.I oft, of the linCtirtnltta did not
think that the" House were in ignoraiere with re-
spect to the stAtject or tythes in Ireland ; but hr
conceived that the difficulty was how to end oat a
practical mode of securing the proju•rty of the
church.—lie had never objected to the former
motion of the lion. 'Member, on acrostot of the
watt of information ; but he objected to it, be-
e iii.e it was not a meavu:e capable of beilie adopt-
ed, for the reasons he then gave. Ile bed lint been
remise in making inquiries. and had even pm-
duced a plan, which however he airmails found
it necessary to abandon, as it njipe-nrsal.it could.
.tot have the effect ilevired.—:-Ie readd not he
persuaded that any inquiry, tither be eniunnsvion
or cominittee, would Jo any good, for they dot not
want information, b:st they wonted merely • Oen
of how to get the better olthe (1415: nines they knew
to exit.
Sir Naas PORT Allitd% in AttpflOtt of the mo-
tion. He thought the a 11,441 1110i114 it
were very extraordinary.. li they del not Ifiglittte
It previous inquiry, the were sittempting to
apply a remedy, without knowing who was tie. no-
t are of the disease. which appeared t,i he entirely
a new mode of Iczie:atiog. If the result of time

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6..n.rititosion..trol not istiory ILO Rolm, they
ini;„:.l Lave recourse to mu* ulterior fur mil:stool.
Is At id: events, the Noble Lord opposite--(Lord Cas-
tlereagh) was bound by his fortnir profestious. st
• the Union, to find out some euuditiratious
lighten the burdens of the plan oppressed peo.
ple of Ireland. Instead of doing so, however,
that Noble Lord appeared to forget all his pledge,
for the public good, and merely to attend td those
that went to provide for individual* whom he nod
taken care to seduce to his barn standurti. That
' noble Lord professed to be the follower of Mr.
Pitt—Sequitur rune passibus epic. If he were so,
he ought undoubtedly to perform the pledges winch
that Staining:oi had made. as well as to pwrform
those which he himself bad ulidertaltm. If Mi-
nisters profuse to be the soceimors of Mr. Pitt. let
them come forward, with one consent, end reckeild
the pledges he had given, otherwise taey could
not pretend to he other than unworthy succes-
sors.

Lord CASTLEREAGH stated, that he knew of no
pledge. whatever that was made either by Mr.' Prtt
upon the subject, of tytlies, or upon
• the Catholic Quastion. He should nioat distinctly
deity that ever he Mid made ally pledgees to Ire-
land.
Coined HuTeutesoN supported the motion.
end 111 strong terms depeecated the 'conduct of the
Noble Lord opposite (Lord Ctri(tlereagn) as to
In-
land. He looked upon that Noble Lord as the
parent of the Coion, and Ise,in ltrder tereffeet it,had
made many prorinees;•-hut whenever any 'question,
a, to the amelioration of the situation of Ireland
came to be agitated, he tither put a negative upon
it, or roused the previous quekt . If the Noble
Lord thought he snould be hooded dower to pos-
terity, either for private virtue, or public po-
lineal conduct, he (Mr. Huttliiiemis) inu,t beg
leave to be of a contrary °pillion. /l re tear
cry of Order! order! and the SPEAKett inter-
feted earl observed, that it was irregular to allude
to tilt pneate character of any individual of that
horse.) If (said Mr. H.) the whole of the Country,
were to stand up in support of that Noble Lord's
conduct, he should he proud in stsoding
• and station that he bad grossly discharged that
public duty which he owed to that country celled
Ireland.—How maw years had passed since the
u sod yet siothiler had hems done to ardeli-
orate U. situtaboo! No.olie of the caper tat;ons of
ifs unhappy people lead I -en answered, sorbing
hut 11,•roov r fivc.....latiun Iced enaued.—Ala,entrea
were greasily increased, the e 'pit hart been de-
sated. by its nobility, and almost the hole of the
great landed proprietors.—'lush had brio preemie-
ed. but nothing had been performed.
Mr. PartarLL said a few words in reply, and
persisted levitating that he had been called npnis
IiV.A Right Han. Gentleman, net then iii hit !Amer,
(Mr. Canning), to postpone his plan, upon she for-
suer occasion, of account of tit neat of rain or
etion. He presumed .that it was °wire; to that
Right Hon. Gentleman having so committed him-
self, he dirt not tletk proper to attend in his place,
when he undcr.t.n.rf this inotiho wits to have cows
forws:ll. •
being or&red to withdraw. the. Howe
divided--

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Majority asakat the Motion —7l
Mr.-Wier:oLE. entered. 11 to a statement of 4414,
abuses etisting in the luedical department of the
army. He 'said. that nn! of 20,0110 men in the
!Areal 13,000 fell sictims to in•:ttention.—
He also molmtake t.l prove, that instead of
ten per cent., 100 we cent. was charged upon me-
divines. lie would therefor! move—" That there
be laid before the House a re% tin irof all the persons
employed its the medical depgrtnieut of the army,
containing also the dates of du it ropective appoint.
meats.'
Mr. PULTIN RV hail no ohjecboo to the motion ;
he said, that a Board of General °Beer* had heen
appnintrd to i.tpiire into the subtot, as they were
conceived to he the most adelpuutl to the task.
Mr. Hose stated, that the medicines supplied to
the Army were more economically managed than
those of the Nary ; there was out au tticrease of 100
per cent, upon medicine.
Mr. WARDLE said, that he hail nc hesitation in
repining his fo, mar assertion. he knew it tp be a
I.r could prove it upon the authotity of a most
reApectalde medical gentleman, that 100 per cent.
chaAred 1111011 medicines. ['totems the Commis-
sinners ;11110111111.4 saved the country 100,0001. a-
.year. they poolil not hai e performed Alleir duty.
Itir. I'F:aLevar. multi, that if the Hon.tientleman
had ihscovere.l any way iii which 1004001. e-year
might be pav-d, lie should communicatti_that piece
of information to the COMIDISSiOneryi in the dot in.
stance.
Mr. WOITBREAD thought that the Honourable
Gentleman was misundrrstond. He did not state
that 100,0001. would be payed iii hare medicine.
Mr. WARDLE stated, that he il.d not pay that
sum would 'e wired merely in medicine; hat in the
whole medical estahlishmt lir.

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Afttr a few words from 31r. WALVO I t. the m
tinn was agreed tn.

Mr. MtanYarc said, that as he understood His
IMajeety's Ministers did not mean to appose rie
production of the paper hr intended to move tor,
he would not delay the ilouse with any observa-
tions. Fle moved, " That copies of the notes wllich
passed between Fite .113j,sty's Minviters nod the
Government of the (7nited States, recplptinfg the
repeal of the Orders in Council, and the re.tora.
tion of the commercial regal:dittos between the
two State., mid telvo coin... of the iststructinos vet
the Secretary of State to Ilia hl,ojesty'a Minister in
A merit.* upon that subject should he laid before the
I lnute."
Mr.CAlt RING Raid, that there could be no ob-
jection to grmiling such papers its :lure already Ire.
fore the piddle. It was not usual to lty before the
Monne the inatroctions itiren to Niint-dr,tt, nod,
therefore, if it •Mil hot for the peenhar circum-
stances of the preartit mu, le• iiii4lit olivet to if'
in thi. instante. So &strong. were tits Abliestc'ti
Misoi.iters to prevent taint had hoppenr-1. that they
Gnat. the mast complete instr9ctitni• to the Minister
in Americo. Vl ith rennet to thattent. he did not.
mean 'thy IMnnaal dii.reveet to him ; hut certainly
in an, rase hr WO r.l.iinte.nly loot iu consonance, hat
in coAtplete contradiction to the Miler" no distinctly
Oren. Fie writ to the full eaten: of the
suhmis-
siour, without obtaining any one of the comes.

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bions recOmmeoded. With reopebt fb tie GSM
of the Chesapeake, it Was sot wove 144 ,d
he settled to the satisfaction bf His N'aj; t -
(,oven-meld thaii the Orders. in Cnuteit: .U.er
ooe of the votes that had ptisset4 ttpon, that 6.1 b,; . • ,
the Wow must see, th4i voisuot Ukety to . to
to a More amicable deterinioutams It ortvr ova..
the intentiou of His Majt-st)'stiovernrum/ tr, itakke4*,
a gratuitous sitrreniler of the itystem which
been acted upon, with, he would a •yj td
the country.
id,

Isir.l"usibuttim sal that whit the Right ••Reint
Gentleman had just declared wits so nano% ri ;it the
buttery of the country, hr hoped tie ...mid penvit
high to -pot a question upon the suhigett h was ,
unknown, he belierod, m tbe histo-y of the r!itirs-
tql) that tiny Miitater at a foreign court lout sets
mf contrary to his instructions. qur nun tie
wished to stilt err nM•di utt
having door so now, had sent haute any jitsotiea-
tinn of his conduct; and vflietiu:rl if he had. there
would •be any objection to laying it ir,tdre ••lie
House fie thonwlit it necessary to enahle thew
'to judge of the trhole transacuon, that this thoold
be granted.
• Mr. (:amatao said, that after the papaws now
moved tor were examined, if the R:- bt konourabisr
Gentleman thought proper to me for other
papers, lie would then ueiciiss the 11.,-priety rir
granting or with.holiliag them. •
Mr. l'onsoudr repented hie question, to which
Mr. CAW R 1:411: answered in the affirmat•ve.
Lord litnae Perre wished fu- the production
of the justitic4tion, as it ought putsibly he the
care, that the art as meruirioug, •
Lord Ilin•ror wished to know the cohunerciel
situation of both cauntrie,
Mt. t:•:s Nian Saßi. , • .t it war ,ertainly a f;•11-
ation of great canarros•ment. An ...I-renown'.
un inthurised by the Court, had :dared them ita
that pa etlicarneor.
• After a few words from Mr. Air.
WHITEHEAD. Alla slr. BARING, the frintl4l.l was,
agreed to. •
The Report of the Cutninittee of Shinty was
brought up.
Mr. Poligussy amine 1, thit, from th- lat!cessi
of the how-, it being tun, twelve o'clock, it
wissid lie expedient to defer the consideration a'
the Ftrplrt till to-morrow.
Mr. Ytatutv•r. had no objection, if it *cold Dot
juterfe., with other hinnies,.
iVfan-rts said, that lie intended to
wotion without any preliminary cagerzeattoino
Mr. W. Sims thought it would be ritually we/-
proper td !Mug it !onward at the setae hour
morrow atight:
cansideraram was deferred as animated.
The Cestoms Cng.ll. dime Silt, ar are,. 1...,
serrations from Mr. BARINO sod Fir. 14 -.45.
reud a thud tube sod •
The re111411111:g. Orders of thp pity N.. a -61
to this awl tile ficirie istipurned ..t *'.• •If
FAST ONE.

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sib.sv rout, *Mt.
The eheeting prnmect of imam. arth4Oreat I;ri-
Cain seems to h*v' le.:ed every heart as t• joy i I es-
terday, at satirise, noon, end soudua it. :ederal aa-
listra-sranr Oral from the Imite-Y, and the frigate
C.:at/as/tient, lying in thw Kash Itivrr. The 1.14,
raw: field, and in the evenin►r'tllers cc. a
gene . thronglioni tlie. gag. The
Meehai..• opFosite the Park, alwe
nrnil Count • .of the Federal ttepirklicens
was lighted we:. vat lash:, rind el..coraterl in Ines
style. Every heart seem•::! to be gild .111.11.,;:liug
to proff,r th.niks to tl:a.e ..ho have aided in eff..ct-
ing this west desirable denuuegost.of sus late en-
pleasant difficulties. •
ine told that, since the adjustment of nur
differences with Great Uritain, Gm. 'lurr..ius, tae
French Minister at ‘Varhingtro, rege.n..iter a •++.rl
ball-frog. His whiskers present a frightfu. ap-
pearance, and he is swoliea with indig,.zuou ,to
monstrous size.

Aram il7.
Independent or oat Independent—that is the
question. Among the thicunienu iverch rye Inte
Administration kept back. lest the ocopir should
know what was going on is France. was the follow-
ing letter from Mr. Armstroug, which his ' ;e:y
been discovered and published at Easton, sal y :141
.Mitteti to be genuine at WiaAingtou :
IBITaSeTS •r A LIITER ►RUM MS. AtMITJD%C To
SR. usuison.'
eitaevAßT tt.t, 1008.
1‘ Mr. Patterson offers so good a conveyance
that I eannots but employ' it. NoOm L h.is occur-
red bore since the date of my piddle dispatches
(the 17th) to give to our buiine.s an aspect more
fturuanthle than it then had. hot, on the other hand,
I have conic to the knowledge of two fscts,
think sufficiently *he* the decided character of the
Emperor's policy with regard to us. These :ire.
' " let.Thet in a Council of Administration. held
a few days pest, alien it was proposed to modify
the operation of the I)trerees of November. 1806.
and Daee•mber, 1807 (though tfe proposition Ives
supported by the whole weight of the Count ii). he
became indigaant, and declared that these
Decrees should Auller no change, and that the
Americaos should he compelled to take the posi-
tive character' of either allies or t•oemies.

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" 2d. That on the th January last, twelve days
after Mr. Chemptigny's written assurances, that
these. I3ecrees should work no change in the pro.
perty sequestered, until our discussions with F.itg-
laud were brought to a core; and seven day* be-
fore he . reported to me verbally these very WI.
autronee*, the Emperor had, l:y n epeeist dcrviion,
cenitlscateil two of our ships and their ear:raves,.
(the Julius finery and Juniale,) for want mere•
ly of a docitanciat not required he ant law
sir ,stage of the• -ommerce in which they bad
been engaged. This act wits taken. se Y amp
iaforint d. or, at g' atmd report caf' aequestei cal
eases. amounting to one hundred and +may.
aid which. at present prices, will yield up-
wanls of one hue Ireil .of franc• ; a men.
• whose magnitude alone, render* hopeless eil et..
Ilempts of saving it. Dane*. Portuguese, aced one-
rims. will be the principal sneerer% If Ir m raglat
jet euppnaing that the Lniperor has definitively taken
kis ground. I cannot be wrong in concluding that
jot will immediately take yours."

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