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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Lord Howick took the usual oaths and his seat for
the Borough of Tavist,Kit. Two other new Mem-
bers took the oaths and their seats.
The Annual Indemt.ity Bill and Exchequer Bills
Bill, were severally read a second time. and or-
dered to be reported to-morrow.
Upon motion of Mr. CHESSMAN, an Account
of the gross and net receipts of the Post Office,
from the sth April, 100, to the oth April, 184,7,
together with the new rates, kc. were ordered to be
laid ►eture the House.
Mr. Hobhonse brought np the Reports of the
Committees upon the Militia Pay Bill, the Militia
Adjutants' Bill, the Miiitis Solialierns' Allowance
Bill, and the Irish Militia Pay Bill ; the resolutions
were severally read and agreed to. and the Dills
ordered to be toad a third tone to-suorrog.

.se Moose. *Copy .1 a Letter fr im the Com:nts-
sismers of Ezei.e, to the L .rd Lieu.enant of Ireland,
sclitirg to bu I !gig 4.401,r at Duedrtim."
1"-e Irish Supt. Bill, and the !TOR top;rit Regu-
lation Bill, were severally curomitted, and ordered to
be reported to-morrow.
Fbe Report upon the Irish Stamp Duty Biil, and
the Calico Bill, were pcstponed.
The Iri,h Infirmary 8.11, and the F. ogmore
Lands Bill, were severally read a third time and
passed.
Mr. Sheridan presented a pet7tion from the parish
of St. Mary le Scrand, ogain.t the Poor's Relief
Bill now pencliog. Ordered to be referred to the
Committee upon the said bill.
Mr. BIDDUL PH move.' tt That there be laid be-
fore the Houre an account of the duties collefted on
the importation of lime-stone, carried cons ways,
1 for the Lit three years."
, Mr. Hobhouse hr .ught up the British Fish.
ries and Woollen Manufaaure Bill. also the Irish
Fishery Improvement Bill, which were severally
read a first time, sad ordered to be read a second
time to morrow
The Compassionate List Bill, and the Irish Cus-
rims Bill. were postponed.
Mr. Hatinonse brought np the Iri,h C 11001331 Re-
venue Fraud Prevention Bin, and the Malt Excise
Bill, which were severally read a first time. and or-
dere.i to be read a second time to-morrow.
_ _ DEFENCE OF THE NATION.

Lord cm FLEREAGH rose in consequence of
his previous notice, to move for leave to bring in
Bills to provide for the more effe&ual defence of
the country ; and in doing to, he took occasion to
explain his intended alterations of, and additions to,
forcer systems. in a speech of two boors and a halt,
the substanse of which, on account .1 the variety of
allusions to different suhjefls, it is impossible 'Atli--
fanorily to detail. He first alluded to the events
and state of affairs at the opening of the campaign,
and the necessity which then existed fot vigorous
measures. He was sure that the Right Honour-
able Gentleman opposite (Mr. Windham) would
feel that His Majesty's present Ministers would
stand higher in the confidence of Pa.liainent, as
their return into office had nut been marked with
any improper impatience, mar noditz interference
wins former measures ad..i.ted by thd late Adminis-
tration. Whatever mig..t be the general feelings
of the country in respen to the general outline of
those measures, he should certainly contend, that
the conduit of the present Ministers was not to be
impeached on account ref any undue impatience in
marking their sitsapprohation of existing measures.
They had given them their fair trial, and it was cit
account of the present exigencies of the country,
they were now to express their diaipprobatnin of s
the'a He was posfeely prepared to admit. how-
ever, that whatever might be his opinion of them,
yet, as they did exist, it was a mattes et great deli•
racy, as well as difficulty, suddenly to do teem
away ; so that in what he was about to offer to :hre
House, the Right Honourable Gentleman would not
find such a strong disprsition on the part of the
tresent Ministers to an hostile to I"..zri.lg measures,
marked the arrival A that Right Honourable

Gentleman asses his adleerente into Offset. Hrving
stated us notch, be should now tome*, that he
considered it bra duty to prepese to Parliament ogee
teio measures. welch were of the utmost import.
ante to she *minify. in order to pas it into a more
effeftU4l state of exertion ; vertices. :ethernet they
would call fot a great sacrifice, -.ed volute teats
considerable incorivenienco ns trust; d the 'louse
would feel the oecestity of a lowing. Measures of
a very *dive nature undoubtedly now hew..
net-essay to geterd against those menaced ateoks
against the Country. The Home terreld feel that
teem was no subjed which was so difficult to enter
neon, as that of gni., into defat's, as to the necese
slay if etiesnedieery xerti .ns ; but undeubtedly in
the times is weich w• lived . in this Celietry, end la
the situetioe if Eurnise, it watt +tete', ind;-.prosseelle
that the par ilk shnu!el knew what w-. teener tit
be den* in such a cr.:is. 1n ininterted Witco of
every deo4lmo was infinitely neer- Doe-oars at
his resent memerie if. in it was wets' eie twiner
alteration was prop. se; to the House, sod by 'heir
sande-et yestel *le ela vie loeopegebet i.te. Attie
ei of !hi. count.!, n was imonsolde oot• s say,
the, Owe were r caller etectonstareces, in every
q•serl.r of the gl ibe; that toilet for this ad-
ditional degree of etestion. We ere called
upon. "Wore to mike sine greet effne to make
tare system of the seco d hattelores efficient, or to
mak some•addit•on to these eatt &ono It wet
peetedly impossible, in looking to the aff.irs of
Europe. since the ft.ght Honourable G mile-nen
took ft/charge of public horsiness, end to poor !e
for deficiencies in the Military force, not to say that
we were celled epos to furnish some addiemeil
means, ant to make seine great exertions, if we
were at all det-tminese to ',relieve our security at
home, and not to abardnn our accesses abroad.
Te•s increase, he teoug t, ought to be made not so
mu-', %seen the local and indrtrosble force, such
as Inc Vole Leers, but in the regular military es-
tablishment of the country, while at the semi- tone
it was desirable that we should endee our
p;ove the Volunteer System rho principsune
sideration came this to be what w ,uld afferd is
the greatest force, both in the Regul i.r Army aid
the Slditin, with the least inconvenience or pressure
up nn the country If he centd satisfy the country
'het same increase was necessary, the thought he
crud shoe that we e iold not rely upon the sot-to
of the Right lion. eseneeman for ordinary recrui:.
i g. as it was entirely inadequate to raise that
eaesniet of force which lie conceived the paslic
exigencies requited. kie did not mean, however
to elaer now into nuts d:esiis of the defects of
that system. as the. w told be verints oppereunities
of mating allusions to it during tee furore states of
the if.;;;3 he was to propose ; but he merely swished to
:tate f i-. ewe, eonviaioe, th by such a system it was
keep up o.tt army even t r' n, dinary
steediersi. It was enable to effeft the double porpore
of increasing nu.- 47,`r. and feeding*: m sinteiniog
our force at tue sat" 'one; fore as h it wi&L-
amined that system, e • .! c • esparedle veth thelbi-
mer one, it would be ic. . • a deducing the
member of bees obtained ie t'•ete was not a
sufficient number of men prec : 1.; as to cover
those deficiencies which oecarrol is tier army
abroad. The question then came to sue, west were
the best means of raisin: or increasing our um to
that standard, which, it must be ac now' 4.• sy
all, existing circumstances required f 'le a or-
hended, toes it would be found upon consieeret -n.
th st noteine woold do but a certain degree of c ar.-
pu'sion, and the most lenient de sr, e of it w uhf be,
that which the Right HAI. Gentleman e rot rly
exploded, nemely. the raising men by ballst. lees
was a measure watch, if he recellefled tight, teat
Right Hon. Gentleman' (Vtr. Wtndbam), took
more than ordinary pains to decry. As to the
compulsion. therefore, which he was about to sue-
gest, he begged the House not to expel novelte,
for he was as anxious as any man possibly could be,
not to disturb in any material degree the r-tistirg
Military EstebliOimeat of the conotryl leo:ease ha
was convinced, whatever might be the demerits of
former systems, it was infinitely better to fortify
them as far as possible, rather than weaken them in
favour of those which other Ministers might think
more likely to tend to the general advantage and
safety of the country. The alternative winch they
were possessed of, was therefore narrowed to tl e
simple preposition of calling upon the country to
submit to a bee.* far men to servo in the elilitia,
in order to enable the Militia to serve Major Regular
Army of the country. This appearintilebins to be
the only option lett to Ministers, he was induced to
lay it before Parliament for its a perchation. The mea-
sure was adopted by Parliament in the year 1804 tire
der the a& called the Army of Reserve Aet.to •ehich
he had the honour of being a party ; which it t• t as
far as any military mcasnre ever went, to render ad-
vantage to the public. by raising a large nuruber of
men ; he really thought it had aderded soch import-
ant advantages us the country, that he wee pre-
pared to state; that if we stood in the mune sweat II
as when it was first broujht torwird, it would
the measure which it would have been the duty of
Ministers to suemit to Parliament. When the Army
of Reserve Atdwas adopted, we were at teat ti,re
in this situation, that we had a Militia commencieo
its services, instead of a Militia, as at present, tc -
minating its service, or hengieg by the condition of
ceasing at the end of the war. W- therefore
now to duw bons a soutce of servi
war were to terminate to-morrow,
initiate. By thus furnishing the army
from that source, we should be enable
diminution of the burdens of the emir
the Militia. Therefore he did not
proposing to Parliament a new or
den, he was only andleipoing our
way that would ultimately teed o
pens*, while he did not sacrifice tie
few men who were unwilling este:
One great reason why he thought the
to he adopted was, that there was f

• y the condition of
e were therefore
rice, which, it thir
, woold alto ter-
my with 4 simply
•
enabled to die s% a
uniry in replacing
t fcel th*t he vi-a
,r additional lor•
r necruites in
to lessen ntir ea.
e qervices of those
cad their services.
this system ought
s a mach greater

• /oneness ;n the peasantry of the country, to enter
ate the lenient, than into the Regiments of the
Line, even for limiied service, but were afterwards
more likely to be induced to do so. Upon the
whale, i: i-nald be found, that the average increase
of bounty to ot.tkin men for the Militia would be
less than this obtaining men for the army; and,
besides. the enlitia was a species of force, to which
the ::.obits and inclinations of the people had been
long made up, and those who were subjeft to the
' ballot, suemitted to it with more willingness than
to the payment of the pesielties to enforce it. while
the elicit rif the other measure would furnish no
less than ee,ooo men. The mere effeet of the penal-
ties, exaeled under the Army of Reserve Act, had
made it degenerate, so that its supporters thought
proper to suspend it, and must, in case of a recur-
rence to that m-esure,prove an obstacle to its success.
Alt that the Ripen Hen. Gentleman had done to
remedy the /Wefts in the Army of Reserve Ael was,
to trentlir the penalties to what was called the
AJditione: Force Aa, and had thus proposed a
tenon of three fines, m defiance of every principle
of justice and legislative honour. He was convinced
that that nit st unwise measure of levying fines upon
defaulting distriffs, was sufficient to render any Ail
of that kind nugatory. Looking to the present
circumstances of the country. the position of the
enemy. end calculating for :mere events, the House
woule naturally see the propriety of throwing thebur.
den of any deficiency upon our Hem. Defence. ra-
ther than upon that sort of defence *both could be
afforded by Regiments of the Line. Ls every point of
lees, therefore, he thought there were advantages
whi e man Iced the Militia System as the most proper
resettrce for supplying the Regular Army in a much
ear re mode than could be effeaeJ by the Army tsf
Reserve Aa. while it will impose no new or addi-
tional burden, the ballot to supply deficiencies in the
being; only what the people were already
accustomed to. In time of peace, it would even
tend as a Mil' stiun of their burdens, and would in-
terfere in a nos deteres, while the war coennues,
with the ordinary modes of Recruiting, and to re-
vive that monopoly. ie. that paaticuler, which was
n..ces..ar yto our leg:ller establishment. The I louse
shotile be aware, that by the Militia system, as last
organient. all Enamel men, at the end of five
ye es' se Nice, would Le entitled to their dis-
charge, ss iihout any qualification as to the
deters .n of the war; so that there would be
be..wr.in five and six thousand Men who
woe el be so. entitled to withdrew, betwixt the
inneern of December and May. and consequently
the in addition to their growing waste.
would be also subjefl to the default of all those bal-
Inetesi men, between these periods Supposing that
three-fifths of the Maki.' would thus be induced to
transfer their services into the Liee, the number
m „ht be calculated at 21,700 men in England, and
a purportional number far Ireland and for Scotland,
riseetiet the while inci ease to the regular force of
tee ~fitot v, amount to nearly 38,000 men. leaving
abler t eteno supernumeraries te cover the progres-
sive was. eof the litlina. and the deficiencies to be
made up by bellct an I ordifeary inducements of
seen.' • g ildr would Ire drawing to the army a
gteat supply ef trained men. testead of taking
them from that body who are terminating their
services. fie had eilly stared the outline of this
measure, but h- should he anxious to receive
any sugeestiosis or devils from others, that might
improve or ellatplify the subeeet, and make it
more pelateldi, He sheuld propose. that some en-
couragement should be given to the Militia Offi nits,
to carry :his measure ieto execution within the trace
of thirty des I ; and th it it should be in the power
of His felej y or his Repel Highness the Duke r f
York to err them ciimmissions in the army, it they
felt so i dined, and i/ they have induced their
men to enter vi idiom any inn rference of the Officers
of the Line. As to the term of enlistment, he should
propose to leave that to the individual himself, as
he was in no degree prepared to propose the te-
scinding the meantimes forme-14 adopted as to a
limited term. This was only a part of tire general
system which he anent to propeses as he meant to
introduce separate Bills Inr tee regulation of the
various classes of force. He should next allude to
the measures which Government meant to take as
to that sort of force which did not constitute the
regular establishment of the virility ; hut which.
in time of war, and in the eltrimity of iuvesion,
were to at as an auxiliary to tile Regular Army.
First, then. with respea to that measure called the
Training Bill, which she Right Honourable Gen-
tleman had introduced in the last Parliament, but
had afterwards enntrived to throw into the heck-
greund, so as to make it difficult to carry in-
to ere& even if it h..d been generally approv-
ed of. although he (Lord Castlereagh) was net
an original admirer of that system any more than
of the others, he begged to believe that he was not
disposed to desttoy the Military tied of that B 11.
but to ogitgato it as efftenially as he could. Ile
Shaul! flifeefore state, that it was in contemplation
of Goveurnent to is some provisions to
enable tlie Ir:dint to take place; but he declared
most solemnly, t' at he lied not been able to ascer-
tain how the Right Hon. Gentleman meant to
carry the prnvisi ens of that Act into execution, by
means of Pails!) Constable. This WAS (slily throw-
issg ridicule upon the manner of executing it, as
the Constable of a Fetish wes the last person
tli Government sl.ould apply to, if they wished to
J :as palatine of the con-tty together.—
Altse was rot to pledge himself to give the
same form to that Bill which the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had dnrr, yet Ise begged to be understood
es nor turnirg eis back upon it, or aeandoning all
hopes of it. as well as the Defence Bill, which it
was intended to supersede, but not to render more
elreeb:4l, The original Bill was better calculated for
traininig, under prefticable advantages, than the Bill
which We Re Hon. (lent. had introduced to improve
it. He did not approve of the Rt. Hon. Gentleman's
term nt service, for any man who knew the nature
of military decipline, mist be convinced, that are,
man %shose term of service must terminate in a lew
years, might retire alter he was completely trained.
Arad ieeve Government to return to the b.eilest ; arid
iterefote it us impossible to suppose that we could
have a pi Terence, establishment in the country.
As to the ruereiag Dill. he should propose, that in-
stead or baliOn.l.V fur n.cu to serve one year, he
'timed reverie e min piers, as it world be the means
Of devising a tyttt m of more general discipline, which

would ripen the individual to a knowledge of arms,
I and matt him better adapted frie the regular army,
an4Or tlfe defence of the century. Eve,' the Vrtlea-
tear force should he supported, soas to lay the foun*
dation of a force, to give a permanent defence to tr.e
country, so as to prevent tt in future from being
exposed to danger. Under this Ttaining Bill. His
Majesty should as it were be diretted to establish
a local militia of some considerable duration, only
liable to one ballot of men. trained together at
the most convenient season of the year. and rot
to be ordered out of their counties, except in ease
of canal invasion or rebelli-n. The volunteer force
having, however, many advantages over any other
species of force, having more immediately a sense of
duty and the interest of their county at heart, should
be set upon their original establishment, so as to
uphold the military charaCter of that force. fie
approved much of appointing InspeCtors. and of
sending them upon permanent duty. The Noble
Lord then concluded with moving for leave to
bring in a Bill to allow a certain proportion of the
Militia of Great Britain to enter into His Ma. •
jesty's Regular Army.
SirGEORGE WARRENDER remarked, that
the Noble Lord's plan seemed to have for its main
object, the securing of a disposable force for foreign
service, but in the present state of the world he did
not think that was so necessary, as the formation r)
an efficient plan for domestic defence, and he owned
he felt surprised, that as the Noble Lord had'so long
seen the nece.sity of the measure he bad now
brought forward, he had not brought it forward
sooner. He was not, however, prepared to object to
the plan of volunteering from the Militia into the
Line, but only so far as he feared it Might
be the forerunner of other measures which would
prove injurious to the country. The coun-
try would require to be satisfied, that the sa-
ctifices and exertions they were called unon to
make, were lot the public good and security, and
that the resources entrusted into the hands of tlis
Majesty's Ministers were prudently adminisiered,
He had listened to the propositions and reason-
ings of the Noble Lord, but he must 'say, he
did not like such a shaking of the Militia and Mili-
tary System as he had jest heard advaucei. Ile
did not believe it was possible to call oat a greater
number -of supplementary militia than what was
now serving ; he was also afraid. that the
execution of the measure proposed by the Noble
Lord, would destoy the recruiting of the army. It
also went to increase the army by a circuitous, ra-
ther than by a dire mode I and would have the
age of raising an unequal tax upon those whip were
balloted for, and might be obliged to provide sub-
sautes. In the county for which he served, he did
not believe that twcuty of the ballotted men would
atually serve the remainder would set ape tn.
gether all the money they could to provide substi-
tutes. He should, notwithstanding his o! jadions
to the plan, agree to support the measures of G
vernment for our better nation aldetence, previ.sid
the plan of the Noble Lord underwent wort as -
difiestions.

Mr. YORKE said. that the exigency of the
times Wl6 such, that it became every man's duty to
state his opinion fairly, and without regarding
which political party, in or out of the House, his
sem imtnts might agree with or differ from. With
regard to the plan proposed by the Noble Lord. he
considered it more calculated to meet particular
exigencies, than the exigency of the present nr--
went. He approved of that part of it which went
to take from the Militia as many as willingly vo-
lunteered into the Regular Army, more particularly
as such a measure would tend 'to the defence of
Ireland, for at present the Militia did not volunteer
their services to Ireland, so as to prove any efficient
proteaion to that country. But as to the Nable
Lord's plan of ballotting for the purpose of re-
placing the Maidt that might be so drafted off
into the Regulars, sad to enable the army to re-
cruit, he did not think that the most advantageous
way of applying the ballot; not but that he ap-
proved n( the system of Wadding, for it was in
YAM to expert! to maintain a force adequate to the
proteaion of this country. without some mode of
compulsions when a force of 2 or 300,000 men was
wanted to defend i.ee of the most valuable empires,
sorra system of compulsion was necessary. Tree
mode of enlisting which had formerly been pre-
posed by • night Honourable Gentleman (11r.
Windham) he believed to be both inefficient arid
dangerous; inefficient, as it was not even sufficient
to fit up the chums in the army. which, in the
spice of eighteen months, amounted in about
33,000. It was, besides, impossible, that under that
system of limited service the wisher could have the
same char after as had hitherto been the slistinguiel -
Mg trait of the Uritish Soldier. British nrmies were
generally stilton exrefitions against sup-rior farces,
and under the various hiconveniencies of disem-
barkations and distant counuies. Under such cir-
cumstances, could men, looking fore aril to the
near expiration of their term of seven years'
service, aft as thorough-bred soldiers, who made
the military profession their choice for hie ? So
far then he certainly did not objet to the measure
of the Noble Lord, because it interfered with and
suspended the Right Hon. Gentleman's plan of
recruiting. He had no obi:aim to ti.e ball I. It wee
true we could not apply the plan of conscription, as
adopted in France, but only in a limited way, and
so as had been nailorade adopted by our ancestors.
But he could not entirely approve of the means
which the Noble Lord proposed. in order to gain an
increase to our army ; he was afraid the means pro-
posed would occasion the distribution, or rather the
scattering of the regular force of this army. On this
part of the subject, however, some farther explana-
lion would be found to be requisite. Nor could he
approve of the distribution of our army in
foreign parts. A large force had been sent to South
America; the expedition under General Craufurd
had been eight or nine months at sea, in a state of
inattivity ; and, after the battle of Jena, another
expedition had been sent to Alexandria ; a force in
itself inadequate to answer the purposes t- the
expedition. He could not but express his surprise
at such a distribution of unr forces, more especially
when viewing the stare of the continent of Europe.
lie calculated that there were now not less than
twenty-fiveithousand 03C11 short of what there were
in May leo4, and twelve or fifteen thousand
I •ss than what there were this time last year.—
Ik thought a greater concentration of ore. ho;Ges

was desirable, under present circumstances ; bat. as
• that could not be promptly done, it WA% necessity
to have recourse to balloting. .To the p-esent
plan, however, he alma( prefer the former sine of
the Army of Reserve, because that body of men
can he applied to Ireland, which could not be dome
by the other mnde. Althcagh himself a Militia
Officer, and with all the partiality which he felt for
that valuable part of tour national defence, still he
must say, speaking of the subjea with a view to the
great scale of national defence, that the present
militia system was in a great measure worn cut;
nor was it sufficiently numerous to answer the
threatening dangers to which we may be exposed,
for. if we were to have the Powers of the Baltic,
and perhaps also of the Western Continent turned
against us, how was it possible that, with such a
limited Militia, wecould be defended at every point I
Our opposing enemy, France. was now. in beter
relative circumstances, than when she threatete•cl to
invade us under Marshal Sate; our means, th re.
fore. require proportionate augmentations He felt
objeaioos to the Noble Lord's plan. because. even if
it were necessary to the service of the Stat,, it tended
to disgust the Officers of the Militia, to withdraw so
many of their men, to add to the troops of the line
Militia Officers had, for fourteen years put, given
up their time and attention to their Corps, wiliout
having bad any apportunity of acquiring military
glory. Now, supposing we were to have footmen
years more war, how could it be reasonably eipea-
ed to find the same sort of Officers as had already
been • formed for-this sort of service i On thew
accounts, he preferred raising an At my of Res rye
to the increase of the Militia. The Honourable
Gentleman then went into a eerie, y of statement.
and cslculations relative to the second battalions,
which he considered in a very deficient state, and
suggested that twenty of these battalions should
he allotted to receive all the men raised by
ballot. for the Army of Reserve,. within
the space of three months, and which would
give an augmentation to the army of WOO men.
As mirth difficulty had been found in raising' re-
emits for the Militia, as had been for the Army of
Reserve, he would propose to raise this Army of
Reserve to 39.000. and unite them to the garrison
or second battalions; or, if the House were
to rout to the Training Bill, he. calculated
that we should thereby get an increase of 4d,000
men to the army. But sums amendment should be
mid* to the Traioing Bill. in order to accomplish
this effea. When the Defence As first passed, it was
a great trial what the country could bear. The men
raised under that system were not pat under the
Mutiny Bill. But now, if the Defence dtet
should be revived, be thought the men should
be put under martial law. He would also propose.
that the men should be embnJied in their own coun-
ties. and that the old Militiamen should exercise and
train them. He thought the same energy would be
r.oriv.d.tiow.ass.when that as first- passed ;as if
the enemy should have the temerity to attack us,
couto.elso—iintr when it would, they would be
warmly received. Upon the whole, he should.
feel inclined to leave the Militia undisturbed,
and os the same' footing as when the volun-
teering system first took place; not, that he
thougat our Military system had arrived.t4 a state
of per feaiun ; but such as it was, with the mai.
tary prowess of our Regular Yoeces and the %Glum.
tech:, these defenders of ewe tountry, he united,
that, let the enemy come tihen they would, every
sp• cies of military force in these countries would
unite, and that most success/n:ly, against the un-
mist-opted adversary whom we were now called to
resist, after the gigantic strides be had made
to acquire universal- empire.

BRAtiGE BATHURST said, he did not
think it necessary to say much on the plan of re-
cruiting, whi.h, he believed, had proved eilicacioue,
in a great degree. for the purposes for which it was
formed, yet it could not be to such measures alone
that the country looked for that relief which the
present exigencies of the country required. The
present situ..tiqn of the country demanded extraor-
dinary ezettions. He therefore did out think that
the Noble Lord needed to hate suds any apology
for bringing forward a great measure of military
defence, except that he had not brought it forward
sooner. The Rig la Hon. Geut.'s (Mr. Yorke) views,
very much coincided with his own, that it a ballot
were necessary, it should be for calling nut the Army
of R,serve, rather than for the Milli ia. The Noble
Lord seemed to have ditedted his attention more to
a system for foreign relations. than our internal
defence; and a measure which looked prospedtively
to a state of peace, rather than to the present ex:-
genc:es of the C:iuntry. But these were not views
of the subjeii to which they were n,w called to
&it et their attention; the fundamental objeft was,
our internal defence ; and tois was an objed, which,
in his opinion, would best ne promoted by the Army
of Reserve. With regard to the Militia, its officers
already laboured under great discourageraeors, and
the plan of the Noble Lord would, be was afraid,
tend to injure the Militia service still more& sod even
to endsnger its existence. If the Militia slody were
not competent to defend their country. in case of
invasion, as at present .constituted, the plan of the
Noble Lord caused a great risk of injuring that
(Neff snore wean/illy. Is the Militia were to be
reduced, and sent into their own counties, and tun-
ed into a sort of recruiting serjeants for the new
levies. they would thereby be rendered almost use-
less as to immediate service. He therefore disap-
proved of discouraging and unhinging the Militia
service, as he feared would be the effedt of the
measure introduced by the Noble Lord. With
regard to the Army of Reserve. he did not see why
that was more eligible in 11105 than it was now.
The present point now was domestic defence,
and the ballot ad was peculiarly adapted to the
present times, for producing such a force, more
than the plan proposed of drafting from the Militia
into the Army. fur the purpose of General Service
abroad. He also defended the Additional Force
Adl by ballot. He wars afraid the present plan
would tend to disquiet the Militia system, and that
the difference proposed to be gained was n it such
as was sufScient to run any risk. By the one mode
men might be got for foreign service, but by the
other plan. a force would be obtained for home
defence.

Mr. WINDHAM next role, anJ stooks to the
following '&3 Mr. Speaker, Sir, I cannot
anger dal 0CC4.1u3 to Lbcipe, WithOit taking the

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the prilfey pripos-d by that Noble Lord.
been r:coniin -tided by the two Hanoorable Gter.ll4
men who spoke last, as the moo proper ni-i'ts6
of meeting this alleged emergency, to here re; •"ei
to the formation of an Army of Reserve. R(7,7,.1
if it became a question, whether it was more c';'
We to have sue • an Army, or to break in
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Militia, I. for one. would give a preference to t'
fist measure, merely because it was less circul. "
Io ot,sig ..o the Militia establisment, you pl,
obtemed a supply, pee Impose; and at the fa '•
moment that you relaxed its seal, and oomph',
to its olt.itiate destrudion, there was nu 'pee •
force produced io lieu nt it. No man who had.,
pie occasion to lion a cot red judgment aril
comparative value ut the Regular told 1• . I 4:IA .t• I t
could deny that the one had a superiority over 'o
;
other, arising from the inherent principlesof bur, .•
nature. It we, the characteristic of the re, •
fo••ce to have an ado•e and unrernittirg iirdnoi a
taltilg it, the tired of that feeling watch grou'.
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amongst men inured to common dangers and-re—
lated by an uniformi•y of interests. It was a fer';
which in no roosibility could hot.; a p,vd.,„,;„,:;
Influence with the Militia, inesmoch as there %.;4
few necasiOns for calling it hive operaion, see
which never could be felt by them, unkos in tro
aitual occurrences of ehellion or inviumn, 10 the
-zeal and patriotism of the Militia, and of the cha.
renders who compose its high en Akers, i am and
ever was ready to pay the warmest, begat!' a me-
rited emogium ; but, upon the plain princip.e• 04 : Al•
man nature, Lcontend that the bulk el Militia u.
ficcrs have not the same motives, bvceuse 1:!:f
have not the same oppoltuuitim, with those e:•J
have pattitipeted in the common dangers or tie
profession and of thoir country. But how cis 're
Nobleleird reconcile his proposed measure
the 'Acted regard, which; cos so many former oc:e.
slant. he professed for the Militia establishment?--
Was it to be expeaed that the blow was to be King
by his hand ; It was an old but not less true adore,
Cuard me from the mactsinati,tns of my ft icon.
and I will take care of myself against mine err.
snits." What reason for apprehensions did the con.
duet of the Noble Lord warrant in the minds of the
friends of the Militia establishment ? In what way
did hit exhibit himself th:s night to them He lied
proved that his alfedion for the Militia was
that of the hutcher for the lamb. He wished to
rear them fur the purpose of being himself the
slaughterer. (.1 lasts4.l He preserved 'hem, as we
coetatry gentlemen do the game, for our own killing.
It was technically a preserve. (Lord letti4l,l, *ad
great oproisiirral. -But lee the Noble Lord allow
me to advise him of the necessity ot caution. Let
me advise him to pause before he attempts to break
dawn all those feelings which hove such a powerful
influence over human anions. Let him recoiled.
that be now proposes to withdraw from the service
of the country, a branch of its military strength, at
a moment when the exigency is of such a nature as
it is fully in the power of th vt establishment pro.
ponionaoly to meet. The Noble Lord tells the
Militia, we break in upon your establishment, ant
from any exigency, ari.ing from objects of foreign
policy, not from any objellion which the nature
of that establishment, and the limitation of it*
services, must nocersarily create. In fad, the
Noble Lord's measure went to deprive the Mi•
litia of being able to do that service to their
country, which, under the circumstances of its
organisation. they were fully and constitutionally
empowered to render. Indeed, I recommend to
the Noble Lout, that if the exigency be loch, or if
it has impressed him so forcibly with the oecesiity
of interfering with the Militia. let him, as the moo
preferable mode, adopt the alternative either of dis-
banding it altogether, or preserving it unimpaired.
( Herr I lien It is not in human nature to suf-
fer a violation of a system, so unnecessarily and al
Unjustifiably. to escape without animadversion. It
was an astral indignity to,such a respeaable bradtt
of our force, to tell them, Ain at a moment her
abo greatest danger was the dreaded of invasion.
that then it was judged advisable not to depeal
upon their satins as disciplined troops. sec impwa-
tioo than which nothing tan be mote untrue. Bat
the objettion went further. It tended to dissolve a
great and powerful branch of your defence ari
national security, when, perhaps, in the interval. the
very exigency against which you wished to pre-
pare, would probably oesur, and the dangen you
apprehend would be realised. If the Noble Lord
can beep the invasion, if he can be eeovinced of
the particular moment when Bowan, will put his
threat in execution, then, indeed, the N ,ble Lord
might with some ground tof confidence assume c.e.:
do for the stability and convenes. of his proposei
plan. Of taesh ). But under the circumstance
with which we ere aU acquainted, I pronounce it,
prima foci,. one of the worst Ads. It goes to deor,v
a systems of your defence, which we know within it .•-e
few years has arrived to such a state of per t• et
as to make the comparative superiority ot Of. •
gular service much less; and it is not a little . •
tonishing to find suds a system of anion from so
a quarter, to see such a departure from mirc.e •
to which the Noble Lord bad for so many yeas.
whimsically paid homage. It was idle to colisi..:
it as an augmentation of force, it could only tie
considered as a transfer ; it was true that it
dissolved a great portion of your Maio, but
there was no security in the present measure tor
an increase, there was nothing to guarantee '
addition even of a single man to your dispoo
force. It neither possessed the benefits of aci
pulsory, er the inducements of a voluntary meant
In convent% the merits of every +itch system,
titularly as contra-distinguished to any other
_
ceived and sassdioneJ measure, we should vino
both what it does, and what it undoes, as
what it substitutes as what it disp'aces. who'
creates an what it destroys. And, upon the
lance of such consideration, the judgmeie is
:notated, and phi true conclusion drawn.

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