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lie♦ of sercess ; nr, Its I it 'hem my Lord., .for u.
to judge what st los e. en at this tone be
taken tor the purpose tit broefiting the individual•
and corporate tombs-, of that country, which HIV
Ma-
jeuty's Grieerolioriit have induced to contend apinst
the power of Fraocc, It ~ ould have formed a sub-
ject of ■ far dtlli•reut tendency. Ito th,,se times,
when the peopae kive great burdens to be4r, it Is nu
Milk; cough!, ration, that's° touch money should be
•rain voted for the assistance of others, the amount
of which has been withhe:d by the Noble Marquis.
but, from the papers upon your Lorslsl•ips' tahle, it
appears to be our million sterim* In these times, f

it tirrOilirs Us periOtlaly 10 eOloilfirr him so
large a pottioa of the prop,qty of the (minium
should be given for ptirpose si which no Man can
say will lw eventually Issmticial. But, my Lords,
that is nut only subject 10 which I cell your at-
tention. The questioli before 3 ou, I affirm, is a
question of Wood. I rise, not uu ly to gu.srd the
distribution of property, but I rise to plead the
cause of those who are again devoted to
sp:11 their blood is uo useful c.llllle, and allure

it must be uisprolitably shed. Consider, my
Lords, thut IVIR are this night to dete iiii ii te
whether Ilia 'Majesty's Government shall again
squander away, nut oily the treasure of the coun-
try, but the iivcsi of our fellow subjects-4 onsider
the brave armies, which, by their incapacii) and
blind pilgruent, have been lost ; and never did
armies 140 more willingly to discharge their duty.
and valiasitly sell their lives; and yet they were
sacrificed to the visionary schemes of His Ma-
jes:y's Ministers. Lt is the canine of these brave
men I plead before you; and I submit it to your
consideration, whether those who have directed the
affairs of Ills Malesty'd Government, and who have
proved their incapacity in ell their mcii:-uies—is
whether, I say, they shall have it in their potter to
continue such useless havoc amongst the brave de-
(ciders of your country ? Iteil-ct upon the loss
which has already been siistained in Spain and
Portugal ; recollect the antosasof that hoes ; call to

mind the deaths of those brave-own who fell at Co.
ruin. and that fatal skim ~!;*ch deprived us, of
that gallant General. S; John Moores After consi-
deriug those w:io uselessly shed their blood un-
der Lord '.‘;':•llingtun, and those who perished at
Walcheren. under Lord Chatham, is it poss,ble
that we shall not take intu coosi.leratiort the duty
which we owe to ourselves and. to the country ?
There is not a mats' except he be within the wells
of Parliament. who does oust 'dearly perceive that
the present atchisioistratioo aro not cspable of hold-
ing tile reins of Government. There is not 1; man
whose understanding is so doll, but he is fully
tmovinced th re no longer exists the smallest pros-

pct of sucee.• In nttenniting to defend the prople
of Strai.i and Portugal, egoist the aggrandised
power ul Fiance. 1 will defy any men poe-
nss common Seise!, to say, t bat our endeavours
to linnet tins,,e counties, can be either useful
to them, or productive of lulvantage to our.
%etre,. Then why shou!d our understandings
h, Insult,!? 1; ny should the Noble Marquis
try to irepow t'icise visionary ides, of preserv-
ing P. rr. '4ll, is t assisting :strain, which he bow
d, ri.nd .0 you tips night. Mromtoietit, there
that any rtforts on our part
vretit! .t t: tho•rputimi of Framer. We. sue
to enn-tip w 11*(.Severipment of thin conntrywa•
twined, dot now unlikely it was to be congenial
to the pe-ple but ihis vile G,•vernment, as
we hare it brined by the Noble Mar-
quis, pits forcibly anAptaiined in opposition to the
treuple s interests, by Lim conduct of His Ma-
jesty's Government. f challenge, my tiny
tnais in this !louse, to rise and assert ilia there
is the shadow of probability of three arrangements
now mails with Poriu.tal being attended with •
likelihood of once, so. Theo,, is it not a question,
even of liumanitr, and, dodo. ei.dent of that, of the

last importance to tlw preservation of your trout s,
Unit there ineu should not Imre it in their power
to squander the bf st iesoorces of your army ?
Unless Me are omit-lied to place blood totafitienct

in •n Allininiatratoo, whew ignorance ■nd

capacity have been eiinced by the t gLir.
tug conduct witch ever •isgrsceil the ntrasurt sof
any Government, recorded to the annals of his.
tory, we might to take one station against their
fut.lre proieethings, I,ecaiiiie we clearly perceive
that the nait.l visions of their imagination are

abut, t to perpetuate the enlalaiiirs which have lately
Itefallrr .he country. I was not a little sur-
prised to hear, this evening, the Ministers them-

selves defend the policy of their conduct towards
Port..gal, by airopanng it with the policy of the
p_roceeding, of Ilia Majesty's former Government.
To those provvediims, the policy or the present can
by no means be corup.ired. But it as riot a little ex.
traordataary, that the measures taken by that Ad mini-
at raeinn, which w err just wise, as admitted by the
Noble Margin% as in.st of the general pa, t of their
conduct.ras,sitnuhi ba catcd on the preurnt °erasion,
as s model 0( policy. by which the present llisih

ters hove justified their trarsactions towards the
kingdom of Portugal. It is' extraordinary. that
what hitherto met with siothing but censure and
abuse, should be taken as an example of wisdom.
Tins is the first iurtance, ney Lords, which ran

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afford the least ground to expect that • returning
erase or Utidt flitilllding is approaching the present
Councils of His Makstr. It Ussery little, Lot it
Is something of cussgraiululion to this House and
country. It Is.vi been alleged by the Noble Nies:.
qui-, that Isi• has 1111 .I.,ulat of Portugal's maintain-
hog It'elfagiosist the inroads of the Fr-och. - But I
am pose soy Noble Fri.-u.l would not gravely assert
the truth of such a p.ovitioo, because it would re.
tlict ts,rar s: upon his utulrrstautlong, of which
sic esi...rt4turti a latter opi ll i 4 /II through the
uno'io of Its bk. IVossiol any mass venture to as-
. .

••• I , that, if Ka lied twice the sautubtr of fitui3h
troop• in that country, laity, if we had tiu,ouo Aura
rea,Anal•le man would harbour en ex-
p. that acids a force would be competent to
cope %% uh the lamer of the French erupt ? l'ethme4
tla. p se,te Meje•tv'etieeerwileut
I nit 11.•'tr c.•udnct towenl' the 14. njuiSisitt. store
w 1 ,i 4. 11. ti.o, that the iwasantry e 1 :
It II i••t..O rrgUl4r fortT. would he C

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o 01. its cont•vrt wWh the oli,fsplu
t rna; Of CUr u. c. vuntry. At the .atue• I 111 V. Cl.*
p.. 1.11.-11(... 11.1, (*Wily %hewn, that whHtt•ver rimy hr
ettett t.usnl••.• 0., uper. with every cottortera-
tht tr towrit% cm.- •.sing •wch a firer, wt rW
ovvs!st into We field. they have user Yet tl, sir

Mild it be expected; with any success *pion the
disciplined armies of Vragree. But. iu defiance of
all experience. His M.jeny's Ministers are caletilet-
Uri upon the defence et Portugal, and the iwistaik e
of Spain, lay the ail of this species of force. It is
neither. urn Lords, the Alps, not the 'Pyrenees,
nor any other formidable frout;er, which can opt.
pose the disciplined armies of a greet nation,
nuless the people be rou-ed by principles of ti-
berty, and well attended by regular troops.—
It was our duty to hate 'cultivated that spirit iu the
countries we are sillndtug to, by paying greater at-
tention to the interest. of the 'people. and not by
supporting a Goversineet of the most tyrannical
description. W About 'assuming any military sci-
ence, if I *peak the Immune of.coruinon mine. i
Mare no helot-01mi iu pionutinCing Portugal et this
to tic to be the le .st defeittoble country in Europe.
We tee to reflect, Unit it presents, for its size, the
most extended femme,- ; that, Incite narrowneas, it
motet create considerable difficulty to the cruises
employed in nil defet.ce, and offend that which ut-
tacks loco liar eslva ntagers.. There is another subject.
soy Lordii,..l.icls I *wild advert to on the present
incense. There is considerable 'misconduct of a
certain individual as Minister at Lisbon. I will
mention tio names, I should be sorry .tu east any.
permnal reflection. But the individual, whatever
queblicutions he. may possess, is ter:au:ly notu tit
person In be appointed to fill such a situation. It is
also remarkable. that the menus's* so much apokets
of, the measures which here to be so decisive and
errs:lna! in regard to the defence of Portugal.
should not Into !writ precirslcd by that information.
which Was absolutely arcs scary, In fore any proceed-
ing should have leen carried into effect. Theo
bow crimes it to pan that even the Noble Marquis.
upon cowing into office, was menially sir want of in-
formation on this subject. It appears by one of
the lour letters nu your Lordship? table. a let-
tter written by Mr. Catming to Mr. Villiers,
that this information was required on the Sid
of September, 1804. and yet no dispatch, upon
this subject, arrived in this mutiny, till be-
yond the period of a year afterwards. With re-
spect to the general questino, now under our con-
sideration, I will again ask, shall we permit these
men, who hare been deluded themselves; whose
transactions have grey where been marked with
confusion ; who liAve acted without information ;
and who have endeavoured to delude this House. se
• well as t: e country, any longer to pease the MOW
eondact ? We owe it to the army, we owe it to the
navy, we ought to ourselves and to the conntry, that
we should nu longer be credulous ; that we should
no longer place blind confidence in those who are
deaf to lessons of experience, and who are about to
increase tie great calamities which have lately be-
fallen these kingdoms 1 wealth my Lords. most
seriously impress • upon your minds, the dreadful
erste of our army. after sacrificing the militia to the
regulars. and • harassed peasantry, for the supply
of your.drticienvies, we are now incapable if ceasing
16,000 men to go on any expedition. Again. I
shall come bock to thut point which. 1 before men-
boiled. and chance...A any man to steed up and my
there is the smallest probability of OUCtelet in
rsinfing troops to maintain the independence
of Portuisal. If so, why should rest not only
uselessly squander our lost Ire wane, islet .bold
permit the lives of our t.relfe soldiers to be un-
profitably seceificce!'. .The Noble Manlius has
particularly called upon in to say, if after so
mach treasure has been expended, cad so many
brave men have perished, would we declare to the
people of these countries, that they have no longer
any ground to expect that future aid will be sup-
plied ? It h,,s been asked, would we abandon Por-
t, gni and withdraw our troops? My Lords, I did
not rise to make any such deettineion, but I conceive
that it would he our duty, shier all the experience
which has proved useless to Ilia Majesty's present
Government, we ought to consider how fir it will
become us to permit such conduct for the future. 1
shall. therefo.e, propose, that instead of the address
which has beets proposed o an humbly Address be
presented to His Majesty, thanking him for the
gracious communication made in his Message, rela-
tive to the arrangements between His Majesty and
the Government of Portugal, and to assure him
that this House will give due consideration to those
arrangements, as a subject of the greatest import.
ance ; but that they are not prepared to give their
concurrence to the proposed measures. until they
have duly considered the reason' upon which they
have been isstituted."

-The Berl of Ltvitinont. conceived the Noble
Lord would bare conduked himself with mare pro-
priety and candour, had he submitted at once a
motion for the removal of His Majesty's Ministers,
which would have been more fair and candid, than
the mode be had adopted on the present occasion.
The amount of all whifh he had said upon the sub-
ject.
came directly to this—we.ought to abandon
the iiiterestsof Spain and Portugal, sod withdraw
our troops. The Noble Lord addressed himself to
soine individuals, whose opinions would hot have
been congenial to his own, had be expressed him-
self otherwise on that part of the subject. But,
at the Lune time, the reilait.ince of all which fell
from him in the course of his speech, ass the
propriety of withdrawing our troupe. and abandon-
ing those two kingdoms. The Spanish cause of-
forefeet a ressonableezpretation of some good likely
to result from their straggle to the cause of Eu-
rope. When this country resolved on giving its
assistance in the great contest which was about to
he agitated fur the recovery of their independence,
it wear subject worthy of serious end grave deci-
sion. It might have geoevally hero alleged, that
all interference, before this petiod, on the Con-
tinent, would have been injudicious and futile;
but Spain, for the first time, presented • coun-
try, whose populatien were roused by • prin-
iiile of defeutling their liberties, and were Tv-
soltrtl not to submit to the yoke of their emir).
Bring such, it was a new feature in the aspect of
Europe, of the greatest importance, as it regarded
the Common cause in whirl, we ere engsgra, and
614 a ith ',turnout's consequeuces to the affairs is'
Ow world. Snub was the origin of what afterwards
vesirliterl the hmaar of eveiy Englishussn ; and the
principle so mut h apprus el of at that time, ott4iit
riot to M isbanderitil at the prevent. The l'4Coble
F..erlohserred.therr never was a nen.- effici-..t tome
rAitird in any country that, that raised
which, hoeing the advantage of being officered.
1 by British racers, ought and was errsl to soy

army. Could that Noble House refuse their ars7iit
mice to a country which hud• suffered eery
as en ally, even from the period of the ), sr I:Q.:*
at which time she was entreated by Franit
Spain to shut her ports against this cough y,. tal;.;
yet, under the dtinger of antiihiration,
Whatever might be the opiniou of Noble 1,01
to the sentiments of doom whom we hail
could assure them they huJ gained the iiffbcriooo
the whole Cu'itiurct by their endeavours;' :er
look to Spain. Iu tio• midst of a revolution, woo
it not their confidence is the Dribs') Zlinn.tt f that
supported theta ? He had heard,' hibt year,
gestions of Noble Lord,' fist Calls. and oll:14.
ports, *eight to- be deiire'rebi up to us re * I ile44e ;
but the conduct of Hh Majesty's MiniotTll .
contrary, they had made use of the* emit
.tinje•
served confidence. Whatever might bit the wale.
this country had done its ditty. Whet might be.
the result, it was impossible for any man to wry ; .
but this he would pay, that it would he I' 40
desert those who gave them their 4.4oidi 411.4
assistaoce; on which accoeut Cie A. 14.
mewed by the Noble Marquis should hove Lis attlo•
port. _

The Earl of Moue seid,when Ministentwereho"4- .
ing forth, and boasting of the assistance thee had if.
forded Spans, what wet it ?—a nonentity. H- ttioilut
prose, trout their own acknowledgments, 'het `.;;u+..
was only a secondary object with them ; for lie liad
learned from Officer.. whom he. the Noble -Lori,.
had confidence in, that it was the wonder of tf•-• . .
Spastish people, that an artily from this ennui ry Ira
out been seut to Gallic-ow .It-waa hell oat try- the
Noble Secretary, (Liverpool), that the esi,,irt•ii.o • .
of the French loins Portugal sl lil lie e ju- thii:.,- •
tion of all the follies of the present arlini.o.ira,ii:o.
The fusee that ought to have hems employed LI
Biotin, was sent to another place, at a time slit u
there was au oppori unity of annihilating' h army sip
arm sir
Bonaparte then in *tins. Would their Lor•lsitips
ask him to approve of the conduct of His Majest),'s
Ministers. alter shearing such proofs adieu. eintie.
cllity, and the want of those rilui.ites which sere
lIIIICUIeary for men, in their lawmen, to be pas-sensed
of? The people complained, sod justly, of the
improvident use of their forces. lu his optuton, the
retamiug of Portugal woold 1w only attended wit's
disgrace. for it was not defenstble. fir then took
a review of Portugal, end of the zeal of it. i.,La-
bilatits, from which be drew a conclusion, that the
country was out defeniaihle, and that the label:lt-
ants were not worth defending. Upon whirls' '
ground the amendnients of his Noble Friend should
have his full support.
Lost SIDISOCTII said, he would girt his assept
to the Address, render the consideration that Mi-
nisters should be answerable ; and took a review.of
Portugal, its the year 1763, which. he conteurkid,
stood in a similar situation to this country as at Ito
present moment. She then refused. althistrgh
pressed. by France and Spain. to shut her poi s
against this couutry ; and it would be the heiliht
of ingratitude if we now refused to sup;glart
them. • But he sighed net to be considered by the
Noble Lords man advocate for His Majesty's pt radii t
Ministers. They had not produced a aingle military
opittiou of the probth.lity that that country could
he defended ; sew had they any reason to believe
that the army of this country was in • heifer Oat*
than twelve months ago, when, from ,the oche
k ilt:oleic of the Commander-in-Chief. they Id
czy,f•-
not command a disposable force of 161004.1 wen.
Was the Local Militia tomplete ? Was the Stil;-
tie of Ireland in a state to dtfend it ? But. under
all those circumstances, be was willing to. stump t ..
the Address, under the cuosideratioa that Ministers
were alone responsible.

The Marquis of LANIPOWN said, there was no
anallea, as argued by the Noble Viscount
mouth), between Portugal, in 176-2, and this coon.
trv, at the present day. He agreed with the Noisier
Lord, as to the responsibility of Ministers, bat he
would ask their Lor drhips,whet ner, after tile mishit'
of 31inisters in the late campaign, they .oul.l
entrusted? The Noble Secretary of State said all
things dust have a beginning ; it was the exprtoes
sion or a foolish man, thatbe was always beginaieg
to do what was right; the Portuguese (invent.
went. and the Administration, seemed to be iii the
same state. Did Sir Arthur Welltsh y. at (ha
battle of Vimeira, report the valour of the l'ortu.-
goose ? When Sir Johu Moore was sent inlet Splint
with his army. was ha not obliged to leave 1%000
men behind hitu in Portugal.to drill the iuhabi ants
into obed.ence ? These were the people whose sof.
fections and gallantry they had heard so much of.
Was their a man of their nation 'thieved Split); or
present at the battle of Talavera ? Wes t.ot Spain
subdued by the corruption of their Government ?
Was it not through that source that the anus
of Bonaparte became successful ? And what
pledge had their Lordships, that the Porto-
guese Government would not act in the tt.tiLe
want ? It was not wifte to prosecute a system
which had been proted b.d, and unsupported by
the opinion of any military officer. Under this
view, he should vote for the Amendment of the
Noble Lord.

Lord HARM/WU spoke in favour of the Ad-
dress. and observed. if Ministers were lied respoit.
spible, it 'hewed that they possessed a greater 4. -
gree of credit than was 'flowed to them. TUC Hi-
guitieots of the Noble 111arquits only went t, vh•-v
that lie wished to dispossess the present lAlini.t. s,
for the purpose of putting soother set of nt.
their situations.

Lord ERSILINa.—Iiad the late Adminivt,iiii.n
ever left their couhtrymeu to perish ? A. a La,s),,
he would say, had they ever left them to be mar-
dered ? No ; but the present had. Were lbw'. the
men that their Lordship* ought to crowd ; erten.
stained with the blood of ilk tr. countrymen .1 12
very little time the aright would be takeq it e
heads of this self-created Nlsnistry ; urie, if IL,
heads themselves were trken off. it itoolit he of
very little consequence. They sent intifiel :te
Spain, and the omits of France "bray.. ram,' it.
It would hare been better for theta to have senttnlie
waalaaek, and the Nuble and Learned Leg{ Ole
the top of it.—(4 lasigh.)—%l'hat were lb, v
tr,
heir. if they give Intl confidence to the st 4,0 intio;
of the Nehle Secretaries.? nothing mere tale
than that. when the French tom-died ibtel
gal, they would he surfiria.-1.1, astonished, to se.4l,
Engli.limas and a Po..tugurse locked iii
other's arms. There was net a mili:ary map io Me
country who would risk his reputation -6y gisitti;

!Pinions that Portugal could be maintaiived. after
optics wee eileinissmd. lie concluded by saying,
that he eirsulcf rote fur the 81111tViiiiielat.
The Earl oU Butaisowasistuna took lip the
some groused • with Lind Sidinuuds. He mould
are, to the hrtilrrss, leaving Ministers responi.ilile
fur what they advised to be done. Sir long as they
sore in place, th..y were elesriving of souse degree
of coolidence, othersiar die) could not early on
the business of the .eistintry. He noticed some
misiwimrptions on the port of Lord Grenville; and
coucluded by suppoiting the original motion.
• Livid Hutdia is replied to the argutuents of the
19A 94r. Aker, end of Lord Sidutuuth. Neither
thise Noble Lords, not any other, could vote for the
Achim" of the Noble Mpquis (Welfeslry), unless
they thought two racism* politic—to take 30,000
liiiiteguetie troops into kleetish pay, and contour
to drlemil and succour Portugal, and to leave the
di tetanus of affairs iii the, hands of His Nlajrwt%'ii
Muiletwril. if 11re Noble Lord (Sidinociti ), uu the
cm...bunch: tilineigat so ill of these Alitiistrre as lie
bad aleglmvd, then, ha ougEt to vote for the amend-
ment of his Nibble Frier& in preference to the
address of the Noble Marquis. When the Noble
iiiscrotstry opposite insisted WI the ability of Spain,
at the breaking oat of the war, to support her oats
Celloto h. was iiisisuug the More on Isis own. t 01-
tletatiotiois ; fur, hew voreiehesily mast the aid of
this einititr, hove been evaplaqed, when. even with
that power:ulessistauce, added to her own strength,
Spain was brought to her present situating. This
- was not. as was argued, a question of time ; it was
e question of the utmost di liewe), and involved
pniseiple. policy, and eystriei. The case re-
• quiml firmness, COOSlsteUey, dud cosalact ; how
WWII coedit they be content. to mitten it to His
Majesty's present Mintstris, to whom he did Jitit
mash to say any thing harsh ; but ore/Mee utter in-
capacity, every corn-ref the empire, and of Europe,
was convinced. lu this very struggle, they had
shrews, that they acted or no plan or system.—
They did one thing or other, just as circumstances
occurred. is the moot contradictory meaner. What
hid thee done in Spells or Portugal? No man was
more firmly established in the belief than he was,
that, fur defence, a Government con'd not be too
free—by ton free, he unmet too democratic. It
could not be on too broad a basis for de-
fence; though, in °dirt views, souse disadvantages
might arise. What censure then did the Noble
Marquis, in layilig down this principle, pass
on drone who composed the Ailistimstrution, of
which Ite fern ed a pelt, who, with full lower in
Poisistal. sued the strongest influence iu Spain.
bad. in neither CUUllify, taken one step towards the
fornsabon Or SI free gwvernmeot ? Upon their sou-
. eiderations, and because tie could repose no trust
in Misname., he would vote for the amendment.
Earl of Llauster spoke on the mine wide, lie
world hope fur 1141 good lalliingellieut Inum men
who had so nAurilsiiiily wasted the grriigib of the
esioatry with the direction of which they were en-
Srusred.
The question sta• then put by the LOUD CNAN•
4111,4.014.A05i strangers were ordered to is sgbdraw...-
We eadvrstaiod the diririoe to have hero--
Pee Marquis Wellesley's Adams—.
camases an -
'Aeries
—lftm
441144 No Lord Grencille's Aineodment—
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Adjourned at rwsLviß o'clock.