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there was something in the formation of it very •
consistent ; inasmuch as the priv...te subscriptions
which the larli menu, y grant for the education
Catholic Clergy was founded, were altogether a
plied to its support; and thus that annual gran
which was intended only as an aid, has cnio be corn
the primary and only fund for defraying the et
putts attending the education of the pi r•sthro
In the University of Dublin, pi,,sision Nos oni
made for one hundred persons, including led
lows, senior and junior, Scholars and biters
whilst the public are called on to defray the et
paces of two hundred Roman Catholic Yrofessois
and students in the Seminary at !slayilooth I Tha
question then was, to what description of person,
was this preference liven I Tu a Clan of subjects;
who, in their religious tenets, withhold from time
lawful Soveteign the admission s,f his supremacy.
But, it has been enntended, that it was wise to pit,
vent the Catholic Priesthood from being exposed t,
the mischiefs of a foreign education. It was to hits
rather extraordinary to lay so much stress tapas di
place of education, when the tine and mot,: ?mu
ciple of danger and hostility, existed in the p
pies of that religion, in which, whether nt butte ca
abroad, they were uniformly educated. He wishrd
to have an inquiry instituted into the nature of the':
bye.laws altogether ; there seemed to him a great
mystery ahont this institution. Titre was within
hke a visitorial inspection, no inquiry as to the
mode of doetrine and discipline instilled and ezer.
cited on a number of youth, clue-WI, if net Mater.
lion, at least in herility to the principles of the Pro-
testant establishment. He felt it his duty toys.
Press on the House, that, during the first years of ihn
Catholic limitation, the various grants gn—o by
Parliament were founded on Petitions. In the
present ease, he could not say whether a Pe itim
was ever presented; hut of this lie was AV/ale, that
no Committee was ever appointed to inquire inn
the nature and extant of those plans, upon whic4
this application WAS grounded. It was by atcid,st
that he hal taken notice of this grant on a for.
mer occasion ; the danger of admi.;ing the growi
principle, and of this Blouse giving eaccuragemet
to such permanent expences And increasing demands
had made a considerable impression upon h
mind,; en impression which should indu:e him to
move, 'that the sum of 10001. be substivitri
the sem of 13,0ta01. at present in.:eited in the R,.
solution of the Committee."

Sir JOHN NEWPOR --" Mr. Speaker, I fool
thyself
.ble to convince the House, and 1 hope doe
Hon. 44Learned Gentleman. on the points of
firence between us, by adverting to the Aft; of tLe
frisk Parliament, which p itticularly referred to the
Ca&olie Seminary at Maynooth. It. indeed, the
Leatned Gentleman bad adverted to them, hi. sur.
prise that the demand for that institution hal in.
creased from the average grant of 80001. would
have been considerably lessened ; for he would have
found, that the solos voted ay the Irish Parliament,
varied almost every year from 8 to 9 and 10.0f41.
In fail, it would have been f mid, that, thenb
sum of 130001. was the averaged annual grant, et
the Irish Parliament expressly recopnised the pricci.
plc of varying the amount of the grant,according to
times and circumstances. With tespetct to the objec-
tion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, that the
existence, much more the enlargement of the May-
nooth Sernimity. was prejudicial to the interests of
University of Dublin ; this is ae ckosiess.
which I by no means admit; but before 1 enter on
an investigation of that objedion. 1 beg leave to ap-
peal to that liberal and manly spirit. which metal
the conduct of the Catholics, when, in the Potties
alluded to by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
they strongly deprecated the intention of ex-
cluding their Protestant counttyrrsen horn the right
of being educated at the College of Maynomb.
But what was the true state of the question, and how
did the falls folly exemplify that it opeeated in no
such way ? That the increase of Cetholics at the
University of Dublin had been progressive, ao.i at
this moment there was double the number than at
any former period. But it was nor in the University
of Dublin that the number of Cath ilic students had
increased; many of the higher oiders of that body
are to be found at the Universities m England—at
Edinburgh And Glasgow. that the Hoti aid Learn.
ed Gentleman has said, it would have been a wiser
policy to have enlarged the University of Dublin,
and (14'4:kJ the public money expended an the
Maynooth Seminary, to meet the provision fee
the education of Catholics there. Enlarge that
University, I answer, as you please. and you ad-
vance not one step to the objcia of your wishes.
—And tke reason is obvious, because persons
who ate to be instru9ed in the deseirme and disci-
pline of the Romish faith, persons whose intention
and pursuit is to instrul their flocks in cc:tam° ar-
ticks of faith, and in the observance of certoin re-
ligious ceremonies, will never b • induced or forced
to embrace a system of education foreign from
those pursuits, and which, though nut hostile, are
very different from the opinions of these whom
you would mica as their preceptors. Was the
House to adopesuch a line of policy. there would,
under the present circumstances of the world, re-
main to the Catholic but one alternative, namely,
no education, no religious observance. They ate.
at present, deprived, in a great degree, of foreiti
education; the monasteries and instirutioiss, witicit
were fmnierly noted for those pursuits. have bee"
entirely overturned. To Flanders, Spain, "':
Italy. it is impossible Co the Irish Catholic to r -
pair for education ; and will nut the House t,Se
advantage of such circumstances, and duly appre-
ciate the great national benefits which must arise
from granting to them a domestic education ?
To restrict them to the University of Dublin, is in
other words to compel them to a state of ignorance.
The thing would be an utter impossijnlity ; it is in•
deed extravagant to expea Catholic acquiescence
to a scheme dire fly in defiance to the religion they
profess; nor would the Professors of Trinity Col-
lege do their duty, unless they performed that part,
which the Catholic cot_ll not conscientiously
approve /Hear! bra-!) The Honourable and
Learnorl Get toonan has assorted, that the accounts.
stud his to this branch of the Miscellaneous Ex-
penditute, have not been vouched. Had lie thought
proper to neve extended his inquiries, he would
have found, that the Commissioners of the Irn-
prest Aomutos had as regularly certified this
branch of services as of any other. The twa
seatinaries have been said to be in a state of