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Hon. Gentleman to express any alarm at this rent, aorrliow could
lie stop the calection of it ? May it not •be co.leoct! nosier another
form ? Nods d :no ,ey was collected for, other o'ijnets thW. giving
it to the Ash.rin'ion. The Priests ware in the her.it of collecting
subseriptiols many purposes. Suppose that in additlitet to ono
penny a week. which they before got, they should say, Giye us a
penny more, and who could control them in the application Cl that
additional penny ? And such would he the effect of iii. Bill.. It
would make them conceal their objects and drive them to secrecy.
Their grievances preyed hard on them, and they could het but be
clamorous. The Right Hun. Gentleman did not say that the 411. h
socialion was illegal, but said it was contrary, to the.spirit of the
Constitution. This was a distinction fried to be with:mood, hut
he supposed a lawyer could talk a deal on thrisulsject. (A laugh.)
The Catholics were led nn by the Right Hot,. Gentlemamend the
Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs to look on Emanci-
pation as their right; hopes were held out to them from
day to day, and, now they were to get na relief, but were told,
" If you do not go home quietly, hold your tongues, and
never ask for anything, we shall seed you all to encl." ((sheers.)
This measure of emencipation was &thing to he sunk in tbeCabinet
• —it was never to rise to the top. The Right flue. Gentleman
once, in describing the state of Ireland, miffed it *" *rock on the
breakers." He and his Bight Honourable Friend by him may
' now review their handy.work, and bis Right Honourable Friend,
in his next edition of his song, would add a stahza shout the new
pilot that weathered the storm." Now it was nn longer a wreck,
but a gallant ship in full trim. All this was achieved by these
• gentlemen, and fit to hold both the imports and capons. (Great
laughter.) The Catholic question could not but be carried if the
two Right llonourable Gentlemen opposite exerted themselves.
. On a former occasion it was almost carried s it passed that House
ttiumphantly, but was stopped in another place, principally
• through the influence of certain persons who wore whit: sleeves.
(A laugh.) There was in that place a majortty of 38 against it;
and it to happened that of them 25 were so adorned. Ine Right
Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett) says he joi..ed the present
Administration because he was satisfied no better At'ministration
could be formed. The fact was, he had for a long time his anchor
a-peak (great laughter), and the manwnt an opportunity offered
he slipped over to the other side. ((Ltd cries of hear, hear.)
he had for some time found hie sat at this side of the House rather
uneasy ; the Six Acts threw him into extreme dismay ; something
elite occurred—a panic seiied him and he took place. (Loud
cheers.) No person not insane could say that it was impossible to
carry the Catholic question in the present Cabinet. There were six
to seven for it. He (Mr. T.) had been long accustomed to mino-
rities, and could certainly pronounce that a promising one, and one
of wholesome complexion. (A laugh.) Why, if the two parties
in that house stood so, lie would not be astonished to see the Right
Honourable Gentleman wheeling. hack again to the Opposition.
(Cheers and laughter.) But the Right Honourable Secretary for
Foreign Aff sirs says he will not break tip the Administration on
any account, nor would he torn tail and go away. Indeed there
would be no occasion for this ; if he boldly put the alernatlve, of
retiring or pressing the Catholic question, he (Mr. T.) was sure that
the Noble Lori who was as it were the keystone of the Cabinet,
would not decide hastily on the eubject, but would grant a hearing
and rehearing, and it would end as most cases do in his Court, by
leave being given " to have the case mentioned again on next
Tuesday.' (Cheers.) And, indeed, it was not fair to say that
that Noble Lord was so hostile to the measure of emancipation,
for he gave a noble proof of liberality in taking as his fellow-
labourers six men tainted with liberal principles. It was mon-
strous, it was treachery to his Majesty, to withhold advice from
him on this mast vital question, antkone for which, because'
they would not now grant it, they were to substitute a law violat-
ing the liberty of the subject. The Right Honourable Gentleman.
after entering at length ions the necessity of granting Catholic
Emancipation, begged to say, that in any remarks he may have
made, he hoped he was not understood to make any allusion to 31r.
Peel. For that Gentleman he entertained the highest respect, and
of his sincerity he had no doubt. (Hear, hear.) After some further
remarks, the Right lion. Gentleman proceeded to say, that the
English Catholics were still worse treated than the Irish, a a! again
he would repeat, that if the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Canning)
said that they must alter the laws affecting the Cathodes, or that
he would retire—lie repeated, that if he uscn language of that de-
cisive character, he must succeed. It had been said as an excuse,
that it was impossible to form a Cabinet for carrying the Catholic
Question. lie (11r. Tierney) denied it, but would assert, that it
was impossible to form one on the principle of refusing it, and if
those who had been taken in, as it were, on stress of weather, had
used proper firmness, the measure must have been carried, and to
their want of that firmness he would attribute its delay. (?sheers.( •
The Catholic Association, it had been said, took their affairs into
their own hands. Why, so they ought. (Hear, bear ) And this
afforded them the fullest evidence of what it was to refuse a people
that to which they were fairly entitled. (Hear, bear.) They found
themselves increasing in wealth—in the wealth of mind, and in
the wealth of commerce. They had their cotton manufactures and
their distilleries : they must take care the latter, however, were riot
found out. (A laugh.) With this consciousness of growing im-
portance it was natural they should come boldly forward; anti then
would be this difference, if Parliament refused to listen to theirjust
claims—that the thing which to day might be given as a boon,
would, at some future, and no very distant time, be demanded as a
right. (Cheers.) If men found themselves deserted by those in
whom they had been accustomed to confide, where were they to
turn ? to whom could they refer ? 25,009 of the military might
now march through Ireland untnelested, notwithstanding-the 2500
priests and the 30,000 collectors. But supposing some war were to
occur, after souring the wow of the irk*. **at ettghT not be to
England the injurious results e Ireland, and lie begged to address
himself particularly to the Right Hun. Secretary of the Foreign
Department, Ireland was a vulnerable point. Suppose the discon-
tented, soured spirit of the Irish were, through the medium of a
newspaper paragraph, to become matter of notoriety with our
continental neighbours. Suppose Spain, so informed. should, in
return for our interference with the South American states, acknow-
ledge the independence of Ireland, what would remunerate us for
the loss of that valuable country ? and why was this state of things
endured ? (Cheers.) Why were they to await the arrival of
so desperate a crisis? (Cheers. Why, but because six
• six out of thirteen gentlemen could not make up their
minds to perform an act of justice toward an enlightened and
! suffering people. (Hear, hear.) If these measures were carried,
' and failed, what would be the end ? They would find the
• Catholics would still think, would still meet; and they would
be found in dark cabals, and in secret associations. It had
been said there was no intention of acting offensively towards the
Catholics, viewed as a distinct body frotn the Association : but it
• was a monstrous proposition to say that it was not degrading the
whole Catholic people to frame an Act of legislature for the
• rwpm of preventing them taxing themselves. He had not the
east doubt, if certain individuals were to withdraw from the
Cabinet, that it would be difficult to compose another Administra-
tion opposed to the Catholic Claims. But no apprehension need
• be entertained as regarded this particular: there would, in that
event, be a necessity for providing a Lord of the Privy Seals, a
First Lord of the Admiralty, Lord President of the Council
' Chamber, a Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, an Attorney-General
of Ireland, and a President of the Board of Control. The idea,
therefore, was not to be for a moment entertained, they might as
soon think of -raising the dead. (Hear. hear.) He should set
himself down, not approving the whole proceedings of the Catholic
Association, but anxious for the political welfare of his own
country, and unwilling to deprive an intelligent people and a
sister kingdom of so much of its liberties.
• Mr. BROUGHAM then rose, and moved that the House
should adjourn until Monday, fur the further consideration of this
question.
Mr. H. G. BENNET seconded the motion.
The House then divided.
Ayes - 70 'Noes - - 252
' On a second division, the result of a similar motion, there were—
Ayes - -76 l Nora - - 231
' Before our re.admission to the gallery the House agreed to the
' adjournment, and rose at HALF-PAST ONE o'clock, after disposiug
of the Orders of the Day.

G ERMAN PAPERS.

The following article is in a Westphalian paper :
Alexeres, Jaw. 29.
" Some time ago the inhabitants of a whole parish in the country
of Mark seceded from their clergyman, renounced the rites of the
Church, and, infected by the mystical bigotry and reveries of ill.
understood religious principles, have become perfect separatists.
The Consistory of the province of %Vestplialia has adopted suit-
able measures against these abuses, and has commissioned the
Rev. Mr. Weihe, of Alcnnighuffen, whose long services bear
testimony to his excellent character, to restore the estebiiahed order
of the Church. Mr. NViihe has visited the parish in question,
but we hear that he has not been received as it was hoped he
would, and that he has effected nothing. It,. much to be wished
that the particulars may be made known. Indeed it is not only
tri the country of Mark, but in other parts also of Westphalia,
that melancholy occurrences of this kind are remarked. In the
neighbourhood of Pyrmont and Minden also, the sect of the
Quakers is evidently gaining ground. Male and female preachers
conic even from foreign min:ries. Thus, in the course of last
autumn, several rich Quakers from England arrived as missionaries
at Pyrmunt, and from that place went to Minden ; in both places
these people, and even some inspired women among them, preached
in the meetings of the brethren in the English language, which
was explalncl, by an interpreter; they likewise distributed nume-
rous printed tract., chiefly in the French language, and were not
sparing of money. having, it is said, distributed among thtir
partisans above a thousand dollars."
SWITZERLAND, JAN. 23.—The Governments of the southern
Cantons have lately taken some further steps towards a commercial
convention with the Austrian Government of Lombardy. The
convention is intended to be confined to Lombardy alone, and the
chief object of it would be the seapalation of the transit of goods
through that kingdom from Switzerland to the ports of the Aledi.
terrancan, and vies versa. It was supposed that there would be no
objection at Vienna to the conclusion of such a treaty, as it would
not interfere with the Austrian system of duties on import-16°n.
It is said that instructions from Vienna were expected at Milan,
on receipt of which it would be decided whether negociations
should be opened inimediately, or whether they should be deferred
until the arrival of l'nnce Metternich, who is expected at Milan In
the spring.
It is said also, that while the Prince is in Italy, the negoeiations
with the Orisons will be continued on certain poi tits, which remain
to be regulated between that Canton and Lombsrtly. Measures, it
is also reported, will be taken for the indemnification of several fa-
milies in the Unisons, where great estates were confiscated in conse-
quence of the arbitrary proceedings of Bonaparte, in 1797, in the
Vateline, and the districts depending on it