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considered that in 1792 this officer had a salary of MOl. only. He
okiected also to the expense of the two civil establishments, one at
V. estmineter and the other at the Tower; and he did not see on
what principle they could be supported unless on that which had
some time since proposed eight or ten clerks up stairs, to correspond
with thou. in the ollicee below. Ile did not think there was a mili-
tary man in England, but what must acknowledge the keeping up
of these two reateiehmetits was entailing an utineceseary expense
on the cenetry. If the business of ;he Tower were transacted at
Westminster. the whole expense of the former establishment might
be saved, to the amount of 14,bC0/.
Sir H. II A RDI NOE said if the Hon. Member would look to
the years liill, 1320, and 1821, he would find that there had been
considerable reductions in the ordnance estimates. In the year
1820 the reduction amounted to 67.0001., and in the year 1821 to
103,0001. The line. Member had objected to an increase of 3001.
in the salary of the Treasurer the reason of this was Ministers
finding they could not consolidate the Irish Barrack 'Board with
the English, thought it expedient to abolish the office of Treasurer
of Ireland, and give the entire business to him who now discharged
the duties of the English Treasurer; by thie arrangement a cm-
siderable saving had been effected, notwithstanding the extra twittery
paid, which wits by no means unreasonable considering the talents
of the individual who received it. The Hon. Member had objected
to the two establishments—one at the Tower and the other at Pohl-
man, and he admitted that it would be effecting considerable save
ing if they could be united ; but this appeared impracticable ; they'
must have room for the stores, and this could only be obtained at
ate Tower; all that could bereuteved, therefore, was the accountants.
Sir G. YORK had heard that great statesman, known as the
pilot who weathered the storm. zerticulsrly praised for some of his
reductions ; hitt, though he generally agreed in the policy of elle
measures of that great man. he thought on the occasion referred
to he never gave a greater wet:. (Laughter.) He canlessed he had
rather vote for blinwters cutting sway the dead weight, of which
he forme.d a tlintioguieheiti part. (greet laughter) for their reducing
the netioeal debt 2.5 per eche titan for any reduction of the
estimates before the House, so essential (lid he consiaer thstn.
General FERE! 'izet wes sorry to differ from his Honourable
Friend the Member for rriontrerne, but thought the artillery was the
most efficirtt mots we had, a d al fore not be awakes i
oreetebe inkir& tire felt ea . ion with eoJeers, for the I
exertionsof his'llonourableVrie • -Ito, few the last biz or seven
years, had been uneeaeina ip his ;sets in sere the 'obtuse under-
standing of the house, that-eras to say, if It had an obtuse under-
'Reading. (A laugh.)
Mr. 111731 E explained. Ail he had to say In reference to the
increased expenditure wee, if NI Minters were satisfied with going as
at such pn extreme rate, to Cod's Paine let them I
Mr. 11C/111101'SE TO,c to ask if they were to have n battalion of
°nude iu barr *eke at ( haring-crofts; Every Englishman, he
thought, would view .t en much more seemly, more becoming, and
more conetituttonal, if thla nalsence, both as regarded its architec-
ture and, its anprouriatien, were removed. The l'itruvias of the
present ?ay (Sir (4:. Long) had reeranniendeil it, and Government
seemed to think there shotild be soldiers in the heart of the town 7 but
he questioned its being :.anatitutional, and believed the spot now
used as hare:irks was ietained by a Inner 3letnarrh for his amuse-
menus. If this were the last time of his having an opportunity of
rewriting against t'aie tneueuee he would avail himself of it. He
eentenind that it WIN most improper there should be a forte of from
four to five hundred mere as he before said, in the heart of the me-
tropolis,cloee to the Palace, and in the vicinity of the Courts of
!Awe -He could not epprehend that they could overawe the citi-
zens of Westminster. hut he thought it a very improper eats.
blishmentt. He would ask why they could not be re-
moved to the barracks at finvloahriclge, -ha Regent's
.Park, or Hyde Pat:. ? Sue a had been tbe fecling on the sub-
ject by some of his cor.stimetas. that they deputed him to get
an interview with the Duke of York to sate t:•eir °ejections to this
force. The innswet given was toat it watt deteneined they should be
there established and. Icing so determined, he coui 1 effect nothing
It appeared to him (NIT. llobhouse) that it would be better to
quarter them out than tlx them in the toan. Ilia abjection to those
barrack. was on principle. Ile knew that those encroachments on
the liberties of the etierns, though ercesionally trifling in them-
selves, were of east impertaece in their Tenths. If MO sufficient
reason could be given fer their now being there established, they
nu ht to be removed. _ r had hen our army had been reduced,
and was now only—only white ;6.000 men ! 40.000 of which
were in England, and 3ti,f9o in ire:and. What would those who
lived before us have said to a standing army in a time of peace to
this extent? When, ;luring the title of the Usurer, it Englani,
and Scotland, and 1t ::.Ind, there ertre not more then 30,000 men.
He thought the Horse Patrol of the Riot Hon. Gentleman oppo.
site an excellent eetwititute for the 'watery, and he trusted this
loves erniteuthe would be removed.
Afr. Secreta-v I'EEL, in answer to the !lon. Gentleman ob-
servations as to the architecture of the barracks, observed, that
there matters of taste were best consulted by a reference to the
utility of the building, Ile teeth! not imagine there was anything
snore conetitueonal in quartering soldier* than in providing bare
racks fur them. In the reign of Cheries 11. three was a petition
of right sera:net their king quartered. From 1754 to 1776 there
had been barrachs where tie eavov prison stood. This answered
the legality of the prr.e,Ttling. I; reference to the convenience, he
would obs rye, that r ti the Coldstream Guards were quartered
at Chalk Yarn, rani had to attend duty in Birdcage-walk. lie
thought other great eltjeetions. to quartering soldiers, were, first, the
hardship it vita...tett the iapdai.ts,
Ifigtetett Over- leteri irel he • 3tilre—ol37ged to associate wit
those of idle bad character. Ile thought the He:Pourable
Member would, on reflection, tlni his reentnmendation attended
with greater difficulties than he migat at first have imagined.—
Ile thought it would have time most injurious effect upon the moral
character of soldiers, to pet them in a situation where they must
Runlet/. with tht wnr't charneto 9, and therefore he would wish to
have them provided with barracks.
' Colonel ISA N'lEel approved of flaying barracks for the military.
The system of billeting eau injurictis to the character of a soWier,
and destructive of .tirripline.
Colonel .1011Ne4 I N aloe referred barracks, hut he had a con-
stitutional objeetien to placing a barrack in the centre of the me.

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Mr. I10111101.7SI: objected to the separation of the military
fmm the as he elwa•,•s wished to have their interests united.
General TOWN.SEN l) thought the billeting of soldiers tended
to demoralize them, as in so( h situations they were emaciated with
the worst vagabond.. whose had principles must have the most in-
jurious eirect npoii the n•oral character of the soldiers, and thzrefore
he wished to see the roilita-y always provided with barracks. He
had known soldiers complain of those persons with whom they
were compelled to associate when quartered, and he always found
them desirous to be in barracks.
The resolui ion was th-ii agreed to, and several other resolutions
being also agreed to, the House resumed and ordered that the re-
port be brought up to-morrow (this day).
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House
adjourned at ONE 0.0 1.0.:K.