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respeet•se stages; shorn these the Irreh Distilleries roll. and
the lish Import an I Export WI. were oryeraity, read a ..,„4„d
tien.7, and comirated for tiemnrrow
The House in Co.ainlttee' t....rd %gal-Ingham it the Chair,
went threi.gh the English and Irish Miltna P. Stilt, the
Militia A (instants', the %I alitia.hutulterne, the Irish Excise, the
Wwlows• Pensions, the Frodsoce Hour t, the Naval
Stores, the Expert-aeon, and the fruit Suahrilnuhty Drau:
back ii, I.; and wawa, on the Kellitilig of the House, was
reported without a
The Annual Jarteren awl the Royal !Invert/ Sills, ware
brought osy from Ile. .10,10dbei asMerea fßadduppalPre
este et its, by •; I tinatau arid caner lasntleaten, a..d seve •
nay wag a *rat It.aik
AFFAIR witH AVIMICA.
Lord HOLLANJ se ins the Noble secretary of
Stare (Lard H iwkesbury) in his pl ire, vise for tbc
.purpose of making se inquire on a topic of the rut
imoortance. What he ml nt referred t a Report,
which, he trusted, was not 11. 'Jed in fall, viz. what
had been stated of at' aft of hlsti:ity having taken
place between lire of H a Maj:sr, 's ships, ant avessel
belonging to the G rernmea, it the United Bastes
of America. If such a and calsmitona
event had really taken place,. it we, his wish to
know it His Mak-if', Minima. met .r to 111
c unraunication spi.edily to Parliair,r n, • •h•
jed ? Fla did mot mean to say . ci. cat. n -
tots situatioo, if the fans were nu.-. in o a rich the
countries were placed, *.IS owl In my si•ecial
line of conduct pseac:i ,ed by His alajeS y's Ministers
—that may be a so ra for ii.tervAt ' c
lion ; bin he contended some eons -fur iin ottAlit
forthwith to hl ma& nu tile *nun t ; an he fur.
thee thought, that l'ariia iieut shi•••;.1 insiu spots an
inquiry,. whetter or not such a Ceiinit f is that h:
alluded to was to he attnbut d to any part is .en
by His Majesty's advisers. Hit l.al again in ak.
whether it *as intended to mike any control:l*a-
lion to Parliament on the occ saint. 1 or whether lei, j
Majesty's Alit,isten were enabled lo allay the 4-
prehensiotis of .he public with resped to the nuttiest-
ticity of the report ?
Lord HAWK E•idUltY said, the only answer
he ..was able at present to give was, that he had do
authority whatever to make .I:.y commuohtation" on
the subje ato which the N able Boon alluded. He
was most happy, however, to hear the Noble Lord
make the declarati be had done, which was no
ADM tiara doing Ministers justice on the n
sees, IS his beiieving, that whatever toe event may
be, whether leading to hostilities or nor, no per to..s
coull be 171-,re anxiotoly solicitous to avoid tieing
placed in such a situation with reified to the United
States of America. If circurnstauces should render
such a proceeding proper sr necessary, they would
deers it their duty to advise Well a communication
to Patliament He would only farther observe, that
it must be obvious to Noble Lords, that the present
, was not a moment for any thing like a discussion of
a topic of so much delicacy and importance.
Lord ROLL'. N I) ra plied, that nothing was far-
ther from his wish than to urge a premature discus.
siuu of the buhira. He made the inquiry merely
feria arose CO public duty ;taut he c .A.ll not avoid .
stating his that PAiliament ought not to
gelearate until it should have duly examined into the
causes of our b!ing placed (str,ul,l it so unhappily
turn oat) hi a hostile SOU/M.41 with reSpea to Ame-
rica..

The order for the geom.' reading of the Rever-
sionary Grants Bid being read. a tow remarks-wore
interchange 4 between Lad ERSKIi,ks and the
LORD CHANCELLOR on the sanje:t, in which
the later, alluding to some ooscdrity in the woraing
of the aihobserved, that thactroor it would appe.r
that the person described As Chief Judge iii the
Court of Equity WAS Inc Cheacedor of the Ev:h:-
gum, and ow the pram who usually sat judicially
in the Supreme G ort of Equity.—The second
reading of the Bill was then fixed for Monday next.
Oa CIO question for the second reading of the
Tradprs' Asseti Bill, some diicussion took place;
the speakers were, Lords grskiae, Redesdale, Hot.
land, the Cliantrair., aad bit Grace the Duke of
Norfolk.
Lords LaSKINE and HOLLAND were inclinpi
to suppnrt hie sal as far as it wear, and on the
grounds. gloefally, Which were advanced in taat
.view is the whir lioraw; and the lass-mentinned
.Pur seemed ae deprecate the rejection of the more
comprehensivp!uteainre, with respect to liability of
landed pr rty, which 114 lion. Friend, who
brought :n c preserq BM, had originally proposed.
Lord RE
T
BSDA.LIF. was adversl to the princi-
ple ache lli I, which, he thnusht rather indefinite,
inasmuch as it . went priessedly to affei those
traders who were sulieft to the Bankrupt Laws.
Oa this much difference of opinloo had from time
to Cine asisetr. dome traders, who had supposed
thembeives so whin', had been adjudged nut so ;
until others. who had always imagined them-
selves not liiible to these laws, were found to have
leen pi halt the Bill. as framed, would lead to
inuch posthumous litigation ; and, up in the whole,
he would father it had made landed property in
general haule.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, in considering
the measure, repeated most of los hriner grounds
of ohjettions particularly as it contemplated the
bankers. Upon the whole, he was of opinion, it
woods,' be preferable the measure shoeld he over till
another Station.

The Duke of NORFOLK supported the Lord
Chancel:or in ustic/1 of what had fallen flora him.

He Pretienlerlynthieek open the aomitleamion oi•th-
bankers, whicistlis rep/dela topic of peciniar im-
p/It vice, with reletenee to theirtoomber arid great
' Inflnence in differene parts of the cnun•ry He
thought also. in the oresent peritedsoi •He eel:nt.'s, it
vroeite he entire adirininle ta p twine the dis.ussern
to another Smiles, when they would have the as.
sistiesee al the Learned hiders, &c.
One ne two of their Leschhips having so ken in
explanation, the Bull was ordered to be reeJ e tie-
coo .1 time this day. three months. The measure is
of course lost for the lumen( 8-ssion.
The _Parish Appretitices' Sill was read a seemed
time; earl atter a few remarksirem the Oaks:tor
niORFOLE. the LORD Can ANCELLOL and
Lard 11OL1.Abli). was coineiltsed fee Weineschiy.
1 —Adjoorned. r 4.r s •r•
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or comaiONS.
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Mr. Itiery Liscellte, And }nOthar new, lianacr. •
took the usual oath., and tlieitZet • - '
. The Dover Harbour /metro eriaNlB was read
a third time Add passed. . , .. '
Mr. Alderman Shaw brougtit rip the Report of
the Committee upon' the London end Wesuniu-
ster Coal Regulation.. Din: Ordered to lie on Ow
table. • •
lads bthig the lest die for reeeiringjtepores
Upen Private 8211, a great number were accordingly
braught up. . .
On the ristfmt of Sir A. WELLF.SLET. the
e
Dirbli . P:ving, 821 waa read a second time. and.
.oralete 1 to b • committA.
Mr S : tor Lefeere trionhcep the Repett of tie
-,Cornaii-rce ;on the Philaethropic- Society aill.
which w tam red to lie can the tale.
Mr . Via pit ientel a l'itition. from the parish
of Si. Air'..lvew, Hulboro. belnw the bar', agahatt
tle roor's Relief Bill, npw pending, w.iich was ett-
dere,/ is be referred to. the Convnitme upon the eatd
Bill.
.. . ~. t 4 .
Tt • EecheceseerfTs 8;11, tie,Arissieel•lnslimnitr'
Bill, and His MAj !sty' s . reperttrikeitleitlenk BSW
were s..?rallyread,e tr ii9).444 Ertefi„ •
Mr, tit .vely, fArqrtL e Pqat-o&zn,peeseigted an
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account Of the kert9 :li-1 net Arnaunt ef EiNe pro-
dUce of that OSC.r,'lr.i,) i ff.- .;.% •,1 April4lo3, to
the 7th of ,bsuuay. 180 e. t"..e:ip' tr.:. i;.t to qahlee.'r
Orckred tit lie on the 'faNit.
.1
bred,
Mr Rosbred,t up_te Report of the Crithai.;-
t-e upon the Ca:-,:eha Free.Att .14.i1l i the Retail:l-
oons were r..ad add agreed t ,outa i,, .. 3ih ordered
to he read a third- time tO-nrerow.
Upon the motion of M. l'.• fIFTBRRAD„ the
(either consideration of the Report upon the Pars-•
CIII4I School Bill. was puai, oued from this4l,lmail.
Thursday next,
Mr. MORRIS diet% gare.notice, that Be *mtg.
on that day, propose i clause. as 'an ameelinent to
the Bill, en ibl'hg Churchwardens and Overseers p.,
advance sums of mina? out of the l'ortgatei, For
the purpole of repairing anclizireroving such build-
ings as had been alreitly ere Bed for Each purposes:
The House went into a Committee upon the
Importation and Exportation of certain eneine rated
articles, between the United }Mlles of America, aed
the British Colonies of anth America ; and
Ujoon the motion of Mr. kOiE, the Chairman
wa, instrueted to Ask leave to Inn% in -ii Bill, put w-
ant to the Reveuttont of the Committee.
the Report was then brongtit up, the Rine:du•
tinns read, and leave given to Lting a.. a ilia pursu-
ant theta°.
Tue London Port Imprnvemen.Bill. a'tcr a short
conversaiion between Mr. Aldetmal .ti....ssi. Mr.
Alderman Combe, Mr. Hibhert. And Mr. Smith,
wiss read a third time, and passed.
Mr. COCHRANE JOHNSTON 7. observed.
that sot any of the papers be had moved tor, some
dare agn, relating to the clothing, pay, it:. of vie
army, had as yet been laid before the Rios'. He
was t ierefore under the necessity of agent moving.
.. That the. same bc forthwith Laid upon the table."
Mr. LONG assured vie Hon. Gentleman, that
every exer.ion had beta made to prepare the papers
he required ; but horn the nature of some cat them,
he was much afraid they wneld not be able to be
got ready in ally tune, so as to be laid before the
House during the present Session ; faJwerer, he
assured the .ion. Gentleman, it was his wish to
give every fatality to their production.
Atter a few words 11(4,11 Mr. COCHRANE
JOHNS LONE, in explanation, the subjett was
dropped.
Mr. Huskisson obtained leave to bring in a Bill,
for the more effeaually charging publ.c a:compt-
ants with interest upon the 'JAL :ices in their halide,
and for other asur?oses relating thereto.
Lord 11E.N0.1 PE l'l'Y exprinted his hearty
end warm concurrence in the measure.
Mr. riUSKISSON again rme, and observed.
that in coosequence of she occurrences at liain-
burgh towards the latter end of last year, when that
territory was occupied by the French Emperor, it
was foiand impossible to forward the letters by the
mail from this country, by the ordinary conveyance,
t ley were therefore carried back without being de-
livered ; and as many of them contained a vast deal
of property belonging to inuividuals, it was very de.
sirahle to tyre them returned to their proper owners;
as Cie Pi.stmester•General had oat the power of
opening those levers, so es to ascertain to whom
they belonged, it became necessary to make some
provision, is order that this property should go
back into the bands of the right owo.es. He
therefore moved for leave to bring in a Bill, to en.
able I I. Majfllty'll Postmaster-General to open and
return to the proper persons entitled thereto. lecteis
which were to have been sent from this country Is,
the llamburgh Mails of the I Lb. Vlst. 2Stn, and
28th November. 1806. Ordered.

Gene, fAHLE CON presented a Petition from
a grew Lumber of the Merchants, Traders, and
Cisterns of the to. 3 Of Livsrpoal, against Vie il,•st
luau LI nids Bill n.,a pess.lial, Ordered t tie Co
the

•
AMILEC‘. •
Mr. %VII ll'BrlE t) rise at the moment when
1... rd Castlet•eag:i wee abf•IIC to rn'ua fACCOOd
oradiag of ti,c Militia Enlistment Bill, and 01:vreed.
that be Is ttl ss air eJ till that raorutro in hupei of
loving a htigitt H na. St.cretary rf State in hi 4 plus
-(allusling to Mr. Canaiugl, is. oydec to put* qv'-s=
Lion upon a most irapotia.nt subj-ft; but L. t,11.-•
Hunch was going to eater ttpon she di,cussiou of
eanther atelier, he sOOOIJ take this previous tr..
portouity of puu•og it to anutiser Ca *war 4Le
Ge.;tiersian •r. in 111,4/{5 VIAL OPilrit h
pussi,ssioa of ',drift-Haden St to l 41
to answer it, He es.s'.ed to ask lists (toe
knot . this Escheque, ) when the oap.ri ref tie. to
the Treaty ,betwict this country 50.1
be laid Isefere the floosie, wh.ch Nliuistela had
formerly gives, them reason ro ex,) 1 within the
space 01 a creek l la iLerr,!ient .IVAOCed period
• yf the Session, it wonl.l aereiv be a matur of great
anxiety with the klotise sod die public, to him
these do.utnents laid before th.t.tli as early as p-o.
• sable. He also wis:ied to ask that Its& Horvetre
Glntle.nin a ti.osti.,n, rriative to an %oosing
piece a commut.iceted rj the "the
its the etgrt! of yes: .:34). or the day htfire—he
meant the circumstance of the eaptus,. of t'..e Atm-
rican frigate Coast.lialioa He tsegeed to be I#-
formed, witetiser toe unfortnniteakees, erhi.ls was
the cAUSt of it bad procetdelkyn atfelpe;!et.,l4tiin
AS contit,g from this House or We Gcsyqiwypriall
the counuy m and whether Goyntriehi,virrel y
ur.acittainteil weds the csat:Ataist444g I or sk,sa pc*.
session pf. Muss, wisen nosy flie4 at to coitttattmcaee
Njhopt ti,the
The tHANCELLOR. of the EX 7,llC.QtYgilt
miswerad, Coat as ti the American . , b.•
meant to make a eomniunicatio.l to to
•isefure the close of the Samoa. W:,ateier 4 •
pawed b.-soviet this country and America wai okra
nature that precialed any ear.i.zr com.oue:crpqn
being made; c:rcumatances that bad oc-
curred since, having re.Wered it tore snore possible,
ha b^lyzved it was the hr.:ad a of his Right
aauratue Ftiend to make some communicators spun
this subjt.et tu-7torri-iw. As to Vie other fitrzass.si
pc, by the Hon. Gentlecoka, bestsould ;Mak. that
there was no nece..ity for such a.s early cointastet-
cation of the citeunostaaces attcl...ling it t at 'lap
&sue time; as a;• of 1-xis 14.1e.ty's Ministers, 4se
conic' t.kts upon Iran to state, Wilt they were not as
yet v.tfitiemip wall apprised of them thentselves,
so es eta lee phi: to give the iecessatr iatorea,atilentio
~the isLoseee -anal the conotry up,MI a m itt.r cm such
gotstsqu.mce. He eauU, however, vectare to a-•
sore the Hartcur.able Gentleman all ;Et

thsb i 6 .upoe•aa ir.q.ary• un. the ev-clial•tatu,e
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tbe c 4. .Were shoall appear to hive been Any ism-
ptoperAoßcLual entire part ut His Majesty's otific.:rs.
Mioisteseweansial _have no Jiqpoeition to wutihold
from the port )7. ii.jured the most satisfa.iory re-
paration for et& melancholy event that t.ad fatcly
taken place. W . Cher blame was aaually no.
potable to His Maj.:, es servants. or to wltosa it
attached. he could not present venture to state.
Mr. WiIITLIREAD •Ided, t lot he thought it
mig:it be of the utmost imp mance Cut the !louse
would be in possession of the it.formation he re-
(wired. befor: the Sauvon concluded ; the more r -
pecially. as th' Right Hsn. Secretary of Sta.: t
foreign Aliairs had forsn:rly assured tlie:n that it
would De cotaa.-nunientad Ai tidy s p .sable.

AUDlrluN4i. DEFENCF. oR MILITIA ENLISTMENT
Lord CASTLERE AGH mored the order of
Cie day for "the seconJ rradwg of too Bill ar.J,
on the gamic!' " nut it ba now read a **coin!
time,"
Sir ROBERT WILLIAMS rose, and said.that
be was one who iiighly approved of t alteiation
that had been made in the Military System d ti.e
country, by the late AdrLinistra:ion ; and .
ill:nigh: there were sui:icient proof. to make tto
present Ministers complete cmverts to it, it they
were disposed to pay a candid Attention 'a them
He begged to address himself to those members of
the Howe who were c•-"untry geralemes. and wi.o,
as such, had given, with him, their complete su::-
port to the ;miner trieaatires. He should call tar is
them to be consistent in their conduit, and to g.ve
a negative ta the present measure, as being con
pletely contrary to that whici, t ley had so warin!y
approved some time ago. He could no; help Ai
plaisding the system which had subatituied
for unlimited service ; a !rams by which the crio-.-
try had already procured no less than 22,000
more than could have been done in the mune
period of time by the ordinary mode of regrow*.
It was a system which, tr..til sfw eindlenc....• laud 'O,
fore the Hooae, they had a nest to cape&
produce a force that was daily imptcving, it batty,
now only is its infancy. It it had had tam play, it
would have already put Cs: army upon a most se.
ape.labk footio7. Toe present measure was only
an attempt to overthrow the military system of use
Right Hon. Gentleman below him (mir. Windham),
without there being snown one single solitary rOiliOet
to ad'pt it. Ministers appeared -
that force which was the m..s:

congenial to the feelings of the ern
we requirel most at this period at
sion, arid sere adding to one whi
sequir.•d. As to the Volunteer
observe. thet be, as an officer who

army t.sr the period of SS yeatsi
able to judge %whether Inspeetiogal
Us* to met spece% of force. He.
say, that they have been of n., use
Volunteers What bad they the
Had *ttsey the power et slitiLi,us

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to be taking from
constitutional au l
onntry, and sahs•:n
or tbreateneJ 10,1. •
rich we least of ad ►
r force, he ,hots:)
hoi ly•en itsr,•:
might be supeo•. I
(Mein INTO of mei
could undsntake t
e whatever us
power of siosnx
the fargasiate:--
.

r could do nothing withelst the consent at
the Commanding Officers. They could only io.
spea the arms and make their returns ; matters
which he should he glad to know why the Com-
manding Officer. of Di%.riEis could not equally well
accomplish ? Did Minis,ers not know the benefit that
would arise to the country by the saving which would
be made by the non-appointment of such office. s?
Did they not know that the saving would amount
to no less than 300.0001. a year Was this nothing
under such circumstances, when so much exertion
bad been used by the former Ministers to husband
the resourc.s of the country, prevent patronage, and
rectify abuses ? PI dwell upon this subject, how-
ever, would only lead him, into a repetition of
apposite expressions, which had been so often used
upon similar occasions. He should only further ob-
. serve, that this measure appeared to him to he what
might be justly denominated a complete job, and
proposed for no other purpose than to create patro-
nage I and upon these grounds he should conclude
with moving, " that instead of being read now.
this Bill should be read this day three months."

Colonel STANLEY also spoke against the mea.
sore ; And observed, that he should be sorry to op-
pose Any plan that appeared calculated for the pub-
lic service. He understood it was intended to en-
courage Militia Officers to join the Regular Army;
but how, he would wish to kens,, were thevacancies
in the Militia ro be filled up t Had not difficulties
been already experienced in procuring Officers, par-
ticularly subalterns, to enter into the Militia t
While he acknowledged the Bill was such that he
word be under the necessity of opposing it in every
stage. yet, should it pass into a law, he should en-
deavour to promote its successful operation, because
to Jo otherwise would tend to injure the Defence of
the Country. Should the Bill come to a second
reading that evening, he should, in an atter stage of
• it, take the liberty of proposing a clause relative to
the appointment of officers, so that it should not iv-
ied'''. with suose belonging to the Militia, as he
would much rather have no additional measure of
dole ice brought forward, gran establish. it upon
the annihilation of tha• most constitutional force.
gr. H. WILLOUG i-IBY observed, that at this
period, when so many Powers of the Co..tinent were
overwhelmed, and others threatened wit.
.-rteral
ruin, it surely ought to be now our most important
considerasion, what ought to be done at home ?
He could not help observing. upon such a discussion
as t' e present, tt:e negleil of late Ministers timely
to assist the P. 'weee upon the Co..tinent. As to the
Volunteers, whom th. Right :lon. Gentleman op.
posite.(Ai. Winas's)). had formerly used all his
eloyselice vs decry, ae •hought they were ratified
to the 411APCS of their country for their laudable
erns. aid ' aoproy lof the Nahle Lord's plan,
in g. oe.vensieng to rei 4 re them to the footing upon
whit :bey were previnns to the c"eck which t .ey
received from the Rigor Hon (lends-non, whose
talents, although admirable in other respects, had
not been displayed to much advantage ia Ina mili-
tary plans. The number • t los:wiling Field offi-
cers might, however. be limited, as he really
theught they were of some use, although the situa-
tions or employment of some of them were so
trill.ng, as to render them complete sinecures. He
approved highly of the plan of permanent duty,
and particularly for Corps raised in the country,
not having those opportunities of improvement
which town Volunteers enjoyed. He sincerely la-
mented the unfortunate dissensions which existed
in the House, as to those measures that were calcu.
laced for the Defence of the Kingdom, and conclud-
ed with recommending unanimity in our Councils,
which, in his opinion, was equally necessary for our
salvation, as unanimity in the field. He should
vote tor the second reading of the Bill now.
Lord EUS VON, in a tone of voice which we
could not distinaly hear, expressed himself hostile
to the measure, so long as it tended to raise a force
et the expense of the Militia. He, however, thought,
that the Bill might be made effeltual. it one or two
points were yielded ; amongst these, we understood
the Noble Lord to state, that no proposition ought
to be made to induce the men to enter into the re-
gular army under any other terms than those es-
tablished by the last law upon this subjeft.
Mr. LOCKHART said, he most heartily ap-
proved of the measure proposed, because it did not
interfere with any plan formerly established for me`•
uiting either our home or our regular force. It
was to be viewed as a measure of a temporary na-
ture, to answer our present ernerg.ney. It was one
which hammed our army at once, and it had the
merit of ;giving to the regular force of the country
soldiers et the description 4-anted formerly by a
Right Honorable Gentleman app asite. They
would be soldiers, sal gesseru ; soluiers by pro-
fession ; and men who bad satisfied themselves
with a =airy life, and who had found that
the path they had already tried was too norrow
for their glory. Such was the sort of soldier
to whom the country might look for the highest
exploits. It was said that this was a measure of
compulsion—it was so; but if such an objeltion was
to be argued to its fullest extent, it would apply to
the whole of our Militia Laws, which were compul-
sory. These were opposed &first, but the good sense
of the country had over-ruled the olsjealon. The
whole system of taxation was also compulsory; and
while the inveterate enemy to whom we are opposed
is using compulsion to get the nations of the earth to
enrol with him, in order to achieve additional con-
quests, it was surely not too much for this country
to resort to such means, merely to place ourselves
in a state of safety ; and who could doubt that a
nation, with eleven millions, can effeetttally do so, if
she be governed by wise, prudent, and resolute
Ministers ? Had we rot read in a late Bull,.
tin, that the French soldiers Wilfred at the
Cossacks for using arrows against their European
weapons. This was ridiculous. But should we
not be equally so, if we did not compel the people
to defend themselves with whatever weapons they
could be most easily accustomed to ? As to this
measure discouraging the Militia Officers, he knew
that they, AS patriots, seeing as they must see, that
the fate of this country must depend, not upon the
steps which she takes at this instant, but on those
which have a more permanent tendency, would
stih exert themselves with the utmost promptness.—
No time must be lost. It was impossible that these
of could show any degree of relaxation in their
eft rts, or feel any uisgust, provided they were
convinced that the measure was essentially name

Wiry. It was not our fate, lts s kingdom,. that
alone depehded upon energetic Means. but It was
thebonour, the private psoperty. and the fate of
every ladividual inhabitant of it, which were at
stake. Let no man believe. that if our implacable
enemy conquer us, he will leave us any thing 'calla-
dle. Has he (Bonaparte) 'Maid that he will take
five hundred years vengeance upon Britain t This
was because it was now nadir five hundred years
since we had displayed ourselves the rivals of
France; and it was an expression used for no other
purpose than to excite the rapacity, last, and avarice
of his soldiers ; and let us be assured, that what that
man has said he will do, if he have it in his power he
will realize. Ha is one that has never broken his
word in his coati. towards other nations ; and do
we believe that he will do so in regard to us ?
If then these things be true, there can be no disgust
iu the mind of any person, provided the country
be convinced that such a measure is necessary. As
to the alleged hardship upon those who had fa-
milies, he thought some means might be sug-
gested to alleviate it ; but the paying of fel. would
onlye in the end, aggravate the evil, as it would
tend afterwards to raise the bounties for rectuiting
the army. He concluded with saying he should
support the original motion.
Mr. CALCRAFT next rose, and stated, that he
was exceedingly happy in having heard the anti-
meats of those who had preceded him, both those
who concurred with, and those who disagreed from,
the present measure,
__ as it gave him additional argu-
ments against it. He trusted the House would be-
lieve that he was as anxious as any man to concur in
any defensive measures which the necessity of the
times might call for, and to promote that energy
in our force, which the critical situation of the
country might require ; but before he did this.
by acquiescing in a measure of this sort, he must
look to the actual situation of the country, and
the pretext that was held out for this plan,
as well as the plan itself. If, then, in reviewing
those things, he should find, that the force of the
country was sufficient to repel all our dangers, he
should feel himself bound is duty, as a represents-
live of the people, to spare them the trouble and
expense of resorting to those compulsory measures
which the Noble Lord seemed to think so aece.sary
for the salvation of the country. He conceived
he had just grounds to entitle him to oppose th.s
plan. In answer to an observation that had fallen
from an Hon. Gentleinan on the other side, rela-
tive to the Yr:enterer Force of the Country. he
meld riot sit silent. and bear the friends he attvd
.ksith AO his side of the House, called to account
for the diminution that had taken place in that
arce. He knew well, that it Gentlemen would
take the trouble of turning their attention to the
returns that were laid upon the table, they would
find, that that diminution did not arise cut of rug
peculiarities in the goveramcnt of the Volunteers,
or their mode of regulation ; but was the mental
consequence of the establishment itself. (Cry of
:leer ! hear ! from one side of the House. and Ne.
fie, from the other.) If they looked beck to the
year MS, they would find that the Volunteer
force amounted to 400,000 mem it they would look
forward, they would find, that at the commence.
meat of the year 1806 the Volunteer force amounted
to 318,000 men, and this was a period pievioes
to his Right Hon. friend (Mr. Windham) coming
into power; and therefore Gentlemen should not in-
considerately make these observations, but. as far as
possible, when there were documents to prove faas,
concur in them what rendered so notorious. He
should deny that any part of the diminution was
owing to regulations adopted by that Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman. Those who had served
amongst the Volunteers for four years, as he had
done, must necessarily discover that a thousand
circumstances, existing in the institution it elf, must
vary the extent of its force. .1 he reduaion from
1806, down to the latest period, amounted to nearly
10,000 men ; a diminution. which, from the docu-
ments he alluded tn, could not be laid to the charge
of the late Administration. Now, with respell to the
last:rotting Field Officers. he thought it was cer-
tainly necessary that there ought to be some orders
and regulations to produce a connexion betwixt the
Volunteers and the Government of the country, so
as to learn the state of their
discipline
; but what
they (die late Ministry) contended for was, that the
country already had a complete Staff of Military
Officers, with little or nothing to do. They might
be the organ for conveying to the Government, a
knowledge of the discipline of the Vol'inteets.—
Although the expense that would thus be saved
to the country would be a trifle, yet. put this trifle,
and other things called trifles together, and the
amount would be found pretty considerable, and
well worthy the attention of a government anxious
for the good of the people. These inspeaing Offi-
cers ought to have been taken from amongst the
officers of the army, on half pay, but instead of this,
'that had been done t It WAS found that out of
seventy persons, who were appointed Inspeaing
Field Officers, not more than sixteen of them
had anually been M the army.—Did not this
look like a whispered favour ? It surely resem-
bled something of that descriptien.—This was
not a measure of compulsion, as to the of ctes and
men who entered from the militia into the regular
army ; but, surely, it was otherwise in regard to
those who were t t supply their places; so Lost the
measure ought to be looked upon in another view,
than merely as it tended to supply the army.
(Hear! bear!) If it were necessary to ball tor
men, or to have recourse to compulsion at all, he
would surely prefer the ballotting for men, in the
most drat'sl way, as had been done in the Ai any
of Reserve Aft. There would he another advan-
tage arising from that mode of balloting, that dur-
ing the operation of the All authorising it, our
existing Militia force would remain unhurt ; but,
by the Noble Lord's plan, when carried into eil:6l,
what viand& become of than Could there be a.iy
thing made of them t or would they be in the per-
fett state they are in now ? No, they would
be totally destroyed, by being rendered un-
serviceable whereas, by the former Aa,
which he alluded to. we should be able to aid
to our regular force, without interfering with that
most impart int branch of our army, the Militia
To illustrate his argument, he should take this op-
vrtunity of recalling to the recolleaton of the
House, the ;rent exertions which this country has
already made, in calling out a military force, great

and important indeed, when compared with the ere.
tent of its population. By the last Returns laid be-
fore Parliament, it apreared that the regular army
consisted of upwards of 181,000 men ; the Militia
of 77,00 men, the N iv; a td Marines, of 1200e0
men, and the Artillery of upwards of 20,000
men ; making the number applicable either to
home defence, or ti toe proiedion of our colo-
nies abroad, amount to more than 400,000 men,
in the pay and asiive service of this e.,tie•ry.
Add to this, the Voluteers. estimeed at 500.000
men in Great Britain. All these, with the Sea-
Fencibles and Irish Volunteers, making upwards of
930,000 men for the defence of our country. out of
our limited population. besides the men employet
in our commercial marine, who may be called upon
in cases of necessity, to assist in our defensive ope-
rations. Thus we have nearly a million of men ac-
tually employed in defending the country ; arid
surely they were fully sufficient to guarantee its
safety ; at least, those who thooght otherwise must
be more forcibly struck with the valour and crier.
gy of the French force than he was. It was of more
consequence to employ ourselves ip reguleong
those properly, than to impede our operations
by making additions. In the plan of the Noble
Lord, it was very probable ear he could not raise
a sufficient number to supply their places, even in
the Militia, by ballot, as many would rather pay
the pushy. He disapproved of this inode of rais-
ing men, as this expense fell upon a description
of men least able to bear it. Complaints had
been made against the late Ministers for send-
ing the regular force out of the country ; yet t,
the present Ministers seemed to forget that I
they were sending infinitely more men nut of the
kingdom than thil late Ministry had done.—
They, in fail, seemed to embark men, and as-
semble ships, without any objett. Such was the
case with the grand mysterious and secret Expedi-
tion now going forward. While the Noble Lord
seemed to wish to be very civil to the Militia offi-
cers, he was surely degrading them very much by
frittering away the Militia force, at the very time
they were fit to ad under them. This was taking
from them the means of being useful in the &fence
of the country, and was not merely altering or
changing the sytem, hut subverting it altogether.
He was afraid, that notwithstanding ell the proles.
skim made by the Noble Lord, his grand and sole
°Neff was merely to undermine the merit of
his Right Hon. Friend's (Mr. Windham) plan.
as had seen attempted in every other instaitce by
the present Ministers. against those veto preceded
them. His Right eiloeurable Friend's plant 4
succeeded in raieng Al many men as the Aclai
At and the regular recruiting could have chute
together, and this was surely a great deal.—(Hear!
bear!) -• It had railed between 11,000 and 12.000
men, within the space of half a year—was pot
this most creditable to that former plan ? The
Right Hontimoble Gentlemen opposite, however.
seemed to with to have all the merit of saving
the country is their own way Oa these
grounds be certainly felt it his duty to oppose the
measure before them, being altogether an enemy to
such a mode of recruiting.
Colonel WOOD said. that however commend-
able were the measures introduced by the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Windham) for recruiting the
Army, yet, when the great number of desertions was
taken into the account, it was evident that some
more efficacious plan ought to be resorted to, at the
present jinifture, lot recruiting the Regular Army.
I he Volunteer force was useful as tar as it went, but
did not supersede the necessity of adding to the
troops of the line. He disapproved of the appoint-
ment of Inspefting Field Officers to the Volunteers,
es incurring a needless expense: their office might
As well have been executed by Generals of the
Distil& ; for he was inclined to think that too
frequent inspeoions were not advamageous to the
discipline of the Volunteer'.
Colonel (or Sir.) CRIPPS was of opinion,
that it was impossible, merely by altering tt.e
time of service in the Army, to raise it to a
sufficient energy upon an emergency. The ee.7
cruiting had, indeed, increased ; but it was to
be considered, that this was at a time white :elk
competition with other species of military force,
was at an in. He did not think the late plan
of recruiting had completely succeeded ; but
even supposing that it should fill up the vacan-
cies in the Army, yet something more was now
wanted. The Defence of the Country must not be
rented on what may possibly occur as to the in
creased number of soldiers to he raised by means
of recruiting. Tle plan of ballotting for the Militia
WAS objeGied to, on ace not of the bounties ; but
surely the ballotting f. e the line would increase
that expense tenitild. When the bounty formerly
had been high, it was for the Army of Reserve,
and not for the Militia. Toe expense of substitutes
for the latter was confined to 101. fur which sum
the person drawn had an exemption for five rats,
at the same time that a distinction was made in the
hallooing between the rich and the poor ; for if the
man baliotted was not worth 50g. he had one half
the penalty restored to him. But it had been said,
this measure would prove disagreeable to the Mi-
litia Officers. But he would ask, was this the eon-
test, which Militia Commanding Officer should
have the best regiment ? He had himself a come
mind in the Militia, and should naturally feel
heepy to have his regiment appear as good sol-
diers ; but at any rate he hoped to have the good
fortune to inspire them with the spirit of soldiers.
Were the present measure rejected. might not the
Militia. in case of invasion, refl.& on Parliament,
and say, ff we would have served in the line, under
experienced Oiliest s whom we could confide in ; hut
you put us to the discouraging alternative of fighting
under Officers of less experience, when evert thing
dear to us is in danger. He approved of tbo
plan of the Noble Lord, as best eaulated to '
our force, either for offejlihe operations i
abroad, or for home defence.
Colonel BASTARD ohje&ed to this measure,
because it gave a prelerence -to the Line over the
Militia ; wneie officers were attached to the soil,.
where there was a mutual attachment between
oEii-
crr. and men, their mutual zeal and enthusiasm
would answer every purpose, when conduced by '
general officers who knew how to lead them on.—
But the Noble Lord's Alen tended to degrade the
Militia. He saw no otherconsistency mine various
nrilitay measures which Parliament had framed

for thelast 1.5 years than this, that they had uni-
formly adop:d one and as uniformly
rejeffed another of the prec -.ling Giver .ment.
Besides, we had as yet no other communication as
to the ersting %tat- of pita: danger, than what the
newspapers afforded. Bat he w... unwilling to be.
here that we were in soda a p situation: He
could hardly think that one h loss could occa-
sion such danger ; at the same time he professed
himself ready to adopt evert- tra a.ure which might
be redly recesaary for the oh fence and security of
the Empire. Bat there were still other measures
which he considered o-ce.sary as he inquired into ;
with reord to the finances of the cou:stry,
whetherlov means could h- alopt-d to t the
burden of heavy addiiiciiial taxes ; also, tai h re.
spe3 to the cultivation of the waste land;, both to
p- wide food and also meet ials for our naval stores.
Beret ting to the plan of drafting from the Militia
in.° the Line. he asked, was it grateful to tell the
Militia that they mint be turned into the Line, h..
cause we could not depend upon them for the dr-
fence of their coutarr, although they were raised I.:.
that exp.ess purpose ? And what must be the feelir.
of the Militia Officers, when it was pr-ptisi•l
them to have commissions in the army ?
they be a whit the better officers on ti at sccount
An Hon. Gentleman had said, that the Militia was
almost worn nu; ; hut it was not by age it was
worn cut, hut by the repeated and various npa-
sures which had been adOpted of late years,
tending to discourage it; and should the present
Bill pass into a I.w. he co-aiidered that it would
be stoat to death In that useful h ,dy. lie
believed the v orst disciplined Militia Regiments
wmald soonest fill up the chasm occasioned by
drafts into the line, whilst the hest disciplined iegi.
ments would be kept (both officers and men) in a
state of irritation, till theii quota was completed.--
The measure was also ohjedionable on the score of
expense, as it would he found that men, who would
otherwise have recruited into the line, wo.lid fiat
take the bounty, as substitutes, under the b4l r for
the Militia. auu then take a fresh bounty for entering
into the Line; so that they would cost fuur or use
times a much as if they at once recruited into the
Line. Die Noble Lord (Castlereagh) tattered tam-
self that the zeal of toe officers would soon recruit
the chasms t +at would be occasioned in the Militia
by this measure; but he was afraid that such world
be the damp thrown upon that body, and such the
want of confidence and conciliation manifested
towards them, that it would have a contrary eff:i,
and teed to depress and debase them, as it they wits
llgt capable of d-fending their native soil. Such
ai ne d measuresMilitia.c contempt thadem pat line ad
Officers e arts° ofh his
she iain e knowledge,tow towards ettha;

bisinutitMoliatrtis.h.aetwFhUeßaseLmgmLiuirilEtaaißrant observed, that the origin of the
Army
to
was
eti.ocwwha
sconstituted,i menn
sptheed arms;
eduslroeiftc.rui.tii.nsge
Militia was only to serve for three years, but when
the time of service was made much longer, the
gmal design of the Militia was perverted. N w
if, as the Militia are now constituted, many mro
were thereby kept from entering into the Krgtil
Army, he thought it bet fair that the Militia
should give up to the Line some of those men, whet
the exigency of public affairs required it.
Lord BINNING argued in favour of the mm.
sure. Our defensive system could n t consist e;:ly
of one species of force, and the rcgul sr army
what must be chiefly looked to. No syges nf
ordinary recruiting could answer the pirpow4t the I
present crisis; and at best it was a ix qvessive
measure ; whereas an imniediate supply we; what
was sow chiefly wanted. It was mire tinm-distely
necessary to increase oar disposable force, Sec.tuse
when our threatening enemy brought back Lit nu-
mercies forces to the coast, he might then mediate
an attack on our colonial possessions, when we
might stand in need of an adequate disposable
fore. to countered his efforts. He denied that this
measure • was brought forward with any idea of
throwing a stigma upon the Militia. The system
and language of the Right Honourable Gentleman
opposite, (Mt. Windham), reseeding the VOW*•
teer force, had proved injurious to that body ; net
only ia the decrease of their noMnal numbers, bat
in preventing those of them who were to have gone
upon permanent duty. The Volunteers had bees
discouraged tinder the late Administration.
Mr. WHIT BRF.AD thought it might be conj..
dered as a singular circumstance, that after it war,
w• tk scarcely any interval, for 14 years, the Leg;.-
Ware should now be called upon to deliberate an
oar Military system ; although toll agaia sal
spin by the late Mr. Pitt, that not a moraent was
1 to be lost in firming some greed Military system.
yet still, tram the year 1793 to 1807, no permanent
system had b-en adopted for the defence of the
country. The plans ad pied were only temporary.
With all the ability and enlarged mind which Mr.
Pitt possessed, yet the truth was, that upon his re-
turn to offi.e, the measures he then introduced
were contradidory to those which he had formerly
proposed. The Additional Force Bill, which was
proposed as a measure of per. inat.ent
secnriiy
and defence, had completely failed 4 and at the pr.
scot moment the House was called on to deh
berate on a new plan, and to make fresh effoi
against a powerful enemy. But what was th
great or sudden emergenq t if the Emperor 6
the French were af%ually encamped with :.35 trots;
at Boulogne, then ind..ed Parli mem would
justified in taking a large body of men of the bet
discipline, when the country v. as about to thro
the last die for its salvation ; but was there any p'
bability that the French Emperor (for he abstains
frnta loading him with harsh and opprobrious,ep
diets), could speedily realise his threats? t.. 1
even if he were, he would ask, was this a attain
The
of energy adapted to meet the occasion ? preset
Admintstration came into office about three moot.
ago, if they now say that there is not a su.fficient no;
bee of men vs cope with the enemy, surely they d
wrong in dissolving Parliament, and thereby I
peding the produdiou of new military pla
Sur his own part, he was satisfied that the
military force of the country was sufficient, it sv
Admini. We had 169,000 men for home
fence. If stered
we are but an united people, wes not tht
sufficient force to combat with any insulting cram
If this could not screw us, the country
.had
means of salvation. He therefore thenght it set
be unwise to increase our force now, because