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prevent troy obstruction
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Inset of those privileges.
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of ►be meat dangerous impact
lie would read one ur two
&Sin the most gram and
attributed to a Member

lerareed Gentleman her. •
letter, which conveyed direct
and ratlinesl motives, is the
mum by on his motion upon the Lied Advocate-aad the Scotch
.ablslipapers. Anhwei setter MOstreilitnes cited by the Hoe.
sled Learsed Gentleman (Mr. Coseleway)wers some charging
Mr. A bekrontby 'with " wilful misrepreirestatim".—" iojus.
tire"-4 illiberality"—and the service of his party views
aid peijlioJ bortllity. by the rltevelse of his parklunentary
dottrel—With the Hon. sad Leaned Crentleases xu stimk•
ad he bad no political imiamsej; JIM he did wet feel bound
to consult him, or to at which •11411 of the Home hit
Mao' sit. It 'whined to she wisdom of the Home to pit-
apat soeh langusgre from being held to my of its Webers
Apia their eisiduet widths sham walls. Perhaps, his Hoe.
and, Learned Faked wool I be lissomly perms in that House
who would dislike the course be was thee tabby; hot be
'owed it to the Hoses sad to the welfare of the country
to do what be could loweede prevestaag oath infester,.
It would not be dastard that the pampa which he
Asa read amounted, to a direct knish uf
lie hoped so be excused from say impotatioa of pottiest
himself forward, or ohlrosbag his offices upon the House;
bat If they were to enjoy s real liberty of /patch in their
ratmediags, it was impossible to I.t this totem( be palmed
over. Whet freedom could they enjoy, tf individuals am
cooed is the eosins of their pessatedlagb use. resisted to
Poke that accusation the groomil of peremial all•cl, and
call Imo. Members for satialhedso? Then was another
assmssaal eismfasetarree ossawsled with tile preseeediass,
which be lowdmad Ira she Closeliorde loft Main, la which Me
Men. sod Learned tefafigl bid WO *dm isic aa hostile
stolvtipmplewes with s Ile. Ilsobifts mild& Advocate, for
ether pares ef the added, which .Isits *my bad induced
. him to make to the Hoeft sh drosses liedliioo. He
presumed, however, that Memberbwdersed that &arroyos.
dram, and, therefore, be would sot trouble this with ex-
tracts. This was evidesitly part of a system which must be
pot en end to, ur the freedom of debate would cease. The
House would epee with him that the tewdeney of the re-
marks was unquestiosuble, sad that they tovolvid a direst
breeds of their privileges. There was Allevideut attempt at
a peseassal quarrel with Isis Hos. sod Lreesied Friend,
venuded out obserSatioos made by bias is the deliberatioas
of the House. It became an isdiesiessable duty be briar die
paftace before them. He eeuld Got pet is the papers and
pamphlet. As they were visited fleCtlVacllll4 he could not
directly &mime the Gimlet/bee whom saws wore subscribed
so the authors. After a emolutioa to declare the sawn of
them It might be seessasry to have the priers called.
Wlesar m
ulterior steps should be takes be mould leave the
Hama to determiae.
The papers were ilea pot la fee the porpoise of barlispthe
offrasivir passages read.
Lord BINNING them& is fairness the paper§ should be
resell ibrowyb.

The SPEAKER said, it might be ,found coevesieet to
hove the papers reed, with • view of ascertainieg the effect
of the obnoxious passages taken with their coolest; hot
that must follow upon the reading of the passages wheels
Were offered se the ground of acce.aties.
Mr. COURTEN AY moved that the recited passages are •
breach of the privilege of the House.
The Marquis of LON DON DERRY made note observe-
riot's in so few a tone of voice, that his speech could out be
heard in the gallery. He was indistioesly uedervlood to
`uoggest whether the veselistiothareerdlng to precedest,shoold
be moved forthwith, or the papers haft with the House, and
lit resolution postpowed to Roeder day.
The SPEAKER said, that both courses were apes to .
• lit Horse, and %ben the subject of complaint was • breech
of
prinilege, committed directly in regard to say thing
wbich bad parsed 'ibis those walls, the most prompt
Conroe tree the usual one. The passages read ccastaieed be.
yuud all dispute a direct breath of privilege.
Mr. C. WYNN relieving to the ease of .• pamphlet by
• Mr. Reeves, and the steps taken spun 11, thought that it
Witold be most conveniest to follows that preemies, by klieg
the papers Be after the present swim), and ertiore• the
IreMPlatut. so as to give lime tee the Members to read the
pater'. He did set memo to inseminate that asy thing could
be suggested to protest the passages from beteg considered
ire the Mort &eel breath of privilege, but the more calm
anti dignieed course world be to TOW thee se after a proper
pause of delay.
Mr. TIERNEY thought that the whole of the letters
should be read, is order to possess the House with the mo-
le:nth of shear, that thirs might determine at once if they
comprised a breath of pritrilige or Dot. By readmg the
letters the Lance might possibly he softened, though there
could be no doubt of a beach of privilege being committed
is the abstracted peerages. if say Member hoped to be able
to vindicate it is say degree by limas the papers read, that
course was open to them.
Mr. C. WYNN made some remarks as to the necessity of
Sri considering of the means for prereuiths a breach of
the peace, whirls might ensue.
The SPEAKER said that there were two wsyt of pro-
erestiog ins breach of privilege. The one wig, to determine
us the offence at once, then to call the parties to the bee to
. dray or admit the publication, and afterwards take steps
Sherriepon; the other was, previous to the decision of the
Moose on the breach of privilege, to cull the partite to the
bar, sod bear whet mold be urged in (attestation, which
might have some effect we the ultimate deteresiestion sad
conduct of the House. The latter comae was hardly ever
taken to a ease like the resist, where there could be so
doubt of any sort, aye tor ow, as to the breach of privilege.
There might be coesiderstioas offered which might effect
the .steps they would afterwards lake. Ihe House had to
consider that their privileges were granted them not fur
their resets& coevetrience, bet as a public treat for the
effi vital discharge of public fonetioos. if the Members
chose to shut their eyes at one breach of their privileges,
which took place from day to day, because they could not
ate ass isetneenietice of it—yet they were to keep that die.
meet in their minds from a breach of privilege which only
weal to infringe the freedom of debate. Let no casual want
of vigilante In proteeti•g their privileges kad to a supposi-
tion that they were mil warranted o• soy other occasion In
rigotemily enforcing them. This offesce ought nut fur a
mom* to be mixed its their minds with cases of onli a
notate
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY spoke in favour of
polipisniug the complaint, and wake some other remark, .
the purport of with could out be gathered.
The SPEAKER aid, there toted be so question that this
was a breach of 'wieder., directly referring to something
which had passed is the House. No ether step could be
take,. •014 i that decision should be recorded. As to the case
~'danger supposed, soil then to be provided for, the usual
aurae. when both parties were Members, was sell known.
if only one patty was a Member, it was usu.l to have him
summoned to attend in his place, and the desire of the
Hesse was wieudatory upon him to p t him from aiding
ia a breech a' the peace; but test the °Balmier publication
meet he recorded as a breach of the privileges of the
Meese.
Mr. PEEL proposed to follow the prectrieet ow Mr. !fob.
• liosse's pamphlet, when the motion was delayed, at the sug-
gestion of the Member for Wischelses, fur two days.
Me. TIERNEY said that the cases had coo ma. inblosee.
Mr. Holibenee's pamphlet contained a admiral attack on the
House, she greater part of who* woe involved in a g.ireral
Principle, wh.ch might be explained away is a prat Imes-
tale by the eirciseertances, the circulation fur attach it wee
designed, the slate of mind is which it was written, or
what not. But this was a direct attack ou a Meath. r for
cords sputeu by him in the conscientioss discharge of hi
duty, who h mightlead to anger suit breseb of the peace.
This latter circumstance was anti. ipaled, sod a wish was
expressed to take mellow's of pr. violation. But how were
thiy so interfere! How cuul.l they stud fur either Mr.
Hope or 'dr. Menzies. notch lecs his lieu. aml Learned
until lh.y had deteiuuiwd on the character of the
pubhcalons ? Again :by portironeine of facilities, were given
foc that very calamity which they sneght to 'prevent. His
and Leatited Frscud, bearing ut neat was gilog

bouse, which mash' be a gross libel ea the House, but cook'
ant be compared to this direct allusion le Oar& spoken by
a Member. It wet desirable to prevent the disagreeable to..
osquences setielpited ; bat they could only proceed oft the
germ' of* breach of privilege first declared to have bees
committed. The cooly qtwslioa which they could moo new-
ish, was the *moths of privilege, and if they Intended to
proceed, tberment goon with the Resolution before them.
Lent BISINING could sot see the &ferrate between
this case of individual interfere nee and that of Mr. Hob.
house, who preferred to deal ai h the whole Hoene boldly.
He thought they might take steps to pretreat • breach of
the peace without Involving go soddenly dishiest parties.
111 r. BROUGHAM conaidered the quotient of brealtior
the peace only incidental to the mete question of 'Koine
privileges. He could only look at the danger of perinea'
alteration as another swung reason why they shoUld use all
possible dispatch in their proceediop. There was a sisal.
feat difference between this cafe sod that of Mr. Hobbies's.
The lanes might have b. ea isdecorons sod highly to be re.
ended tiY the House. It might by coalitions.* sad in re.
mote eff.et be considered as an obstrurtibs. fist it *as
mot that direct obstruction contained in the permit pet.-
meal appeal to • Nrother for words spokes. The mot
grow Resent week could never he half so iniiehinetits
to the liberty of debate. Toey had ramegh grounds for pear
use lag. The offeote was committed in 1t looser In the prep,
Noce of the Howse, as they had the recollection of the disco..
aims referred to. While they were nide' immesares to pep.
veal • breach Of the peso, they were of course—the subject
'mime breach of privilege—to press as lightly as possible on
his Hoiesurabie and Learned Fri. ud. Were they theft to
proceed So build his Hoooarable Priced before stigma.
tieing the offence which made it necessary!-.would they
punish hint while they hesitated as to what should
he done with the wrong doer! They otsght sot without
evident neeenity, impose restraints on say of shale Mem.
hers; seining could justify it bin inimitseot dingo Frond
by their own proceedlogii. They must proceed speedily to
put down • system which newt to cut up by the roots all
pretensions of free deliberation. He repeated it, that there
was far less danger is tellers! attacks. Mtn might, not-'
withstendine, go ea quietly and ceasciestioosly with their
duly; but if individual Mothers were to be picked out by
parties coneurriag for that object, to be charged in the direct
Noe of their duty, and dogged as is were to trial before the
public, it would be seas head hespoisible for reef Member
keeporferia those duties.
11r. C. WYNN hod otter doubted for • tesoment es the
1116111• C er of the pubhcations. , He had only permed en
p. pwso the complaint with a view to general conveolenes
sad she ITIIII•07 of Si,.e As there seemed to be some
•feneesee ad opinion ow that subject, mid es there ought to be
Dote in the Purdue.t aid osoohowas de termioatios of the
Home to step so dangerous as abuse, he woold give say to
the Reeolmiteu lint proposed.
Lord DINNING withdrew his objection.
The litrooktion detlariog the publiestiosi in question to
be • breach of privilege tau thew agreed to.
Mr. C. W. WYNN said, Mang resolved that the publics.
floe was • breath of privilege, the morn for the House to
partite was either to adjouns the farther moisid. robot of the
esub or so wake as order for the prOter to attend to give
of the ssibsr.
The SPEAKER suggested that the usual course was to
order the Pfister to attend at the Bar of the House to-mor-
row ' • all that who necessary heiress bola dose for today.
Lord BINNING said the printer of one of thee papers too
resident in Ediasborgh.
Mr. TIERNEY observed opmetbe hardship le which his
Mon. Friend would be melleresed by bring under the reslreiet
of an Order of the Brow, while the prioare and publishes
.of the letter would he at perfect bberty to act as be pleased
far • week Imager at Stasi. Was there soy r now stritaaisl-
eil with Me. 3. Hope who. hod the least doubt that ho was this
maths, of the niter? Who ohjietion thee mold there be
to making Oat order spas bin as one, ? If the Noble lord
thought It isoterial for Mr. Hope's interest that his being
the author should be proved at the bar, °Coarse he (Mr. T )
could have nothiog further to say; but be thought it would
be soviet; the time and forwarding the wishes of the House
to make so order foe No atteadauce of Mr. Hope is the lint
Sostauce.
Lied BINNING said be bad no hesitation in admitting
that he bed not the smallest doubt that every word in that
letter had bees written by Mr. Job. Hope, end be had oe
doubt whatever that be would acksooledge it at the bar of
the House ; though be had aot Ines setheirissi by Mr.
Mope to make that eastrawat.
Mr. WYNN was andaw.tood to opium Ids anstiety that
as time should be saateressarily coasomed, hood m &solo the
propriety of that Muse proreedsog assume sis iaiirielwal
without evielesee to show that be was the ssibss, _ _ _

Mr. TIERNEY said, after what lad ban Mated by at
Noble Lord (Biasing), he could see ots poosible ulrj.ction
to au order heist made directing the alteodance of Mr. J.
Hope. A comideroble delay must necessarily take place be.
fore that order maid be namplkil with, end all that could be
dime is the meow time wm to order his Hououtable :felted
(Mr. Abercronstay)ers attmel is his place.
After a few obserrosisras from Mr. Brougham, Mr. Come
teuay, aid Mr. C. W. Wyss—
Mr. ELLICE rose merely to mention, that in the ere of
Mr. Hulairouse, beldame!! had avowed that Gentleman to bo
the lather, is order to saver the time of the Home from being
unnecessarily occupied in the examination of the miller sad
publisher, sod the Home had sited upon his matesneut.
Mr. C.X. WYNN said, the HJS. Member was airder.
stood on that occasion to bore acted ups the authority of
Mr. Hubboure, but in the prewar case the Noble Lord (Bus.
eingl was only ahle to speak from his own opinion, sad had
stated that he had Do mettle/city from the party to declare
bits to be the author. _

It war then ordered," That Mr. John Hope do attend at
the bar of the Howie to newer, (this day) ee'uwight."
The Clerk then proceeded to read sr (Arms from the cow.
eluding paragraph of the letter of Mr. W. Menzies, Advocate,
to the Edjjor of the Courier:—
" I feel no isielisat.on to make say comments as the
shove correspondence. I shall be coetented wtb saying
that is what yew put forth as a feir 'mint of Mr. Aber-
crotokirs speech, improper motives were by veep string
inuei and impliestioa attributed to me. Sark impels-
Items I regard with the most perfect acorn, •sid 1 have new
shewn that whoever was the real auth.ir of them, they were
altogether mower. anted, grouwdleu, sad false.
" I am, Mr, &R. W. MENZIES.*

Mr. HUSILISISON said, if he understood aright whet bad
just been read, it was a letter to the E,litur of the Cowries,
charging as false what was put forth by him, bat tbe
writer did sot so regud, so the speech of au Hon. Member
of that House. Now if a penes was not allowed le state
that what as Editor of • wewspoper bad put forth was false,
private character would be placed is • state of jeopardy in
which it mild sot be the wish of the House that it should
be placed. He did not therefore *Mak that the House would
see any thing In this case to call fur its juicers:teem
Mr. TI ERN EY took a very different view of this 'alike
from the of the Right How. Geutteman. lu cuoseyneoce
of a report of a speech of his Hun. Friend, by those who
made such accurate reports of the proceedings of the House,
a letter was addressed by Mr. Mensice to Mr. Abercromby,
sstliag upoo him fur as explanation of some statement
which hart appeared in that report, and For • denial of it or •
publication of a comster-stelenteot, Mr. Abercrumby in his
answer not barium defiled that be haul said what nes staled
in the report; the same person publishes his letter, with
Mr. Abercromsby's soarer, and &gain a cominent whitened
to the Editor, " Wham,. r ess the real author of [hove
statements, tipsy were eltogetb.r unwarranted, gruundleee,
and false." N. leas cou4 doubt of the applicatios of thew
terms ; no swan could comely, a muse offensive way of ad-
dressing au basalt, or owe more certainly eskolated etelead
to unpleangot (relict% 'flee remark evidently was not
/maul to pliut M the Ed:tur of the Courier. Ilby eis

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ettmeopuadoato -bodices lootetedio a Newspaper, for the
ere purpose of adding a paragrspb, .staliqg the who('
of the words imputed to a Member of that lipase had pat
forth a complete falsehood. Nothing, therefore, se it ea.:
peered to him, would have bees dose to prevent those collate,
quotes which it was desirable to avoid, unless the sump
emerge were adopted with respechto Mr. Heusi, a as had bee,
dons in the case of Mr. Hope. He saw,buwever, one difficulty
is this cue which had been surmonuted is the other, for 11p
did sot know whether any body was prepared to state, as lbw
Noble Lord bad done, that be knew Mr. aleusies, and ho.
Hewed him to be the monitor of this publication. So that
libel probably would bsve to call upon the Editor of thp
paper to prove who Mr. Menzies, the sedum of the tenet.
woe.
Mr. HUSKISSON said he was sot at all disposed to corgi,
or to deny that the letter to Mr. Abercromby was • gross
breach of the privileges or the House. But if the last pan.
graph *Moe leiter addressed to the Editor were to be treated
as a breach of privilege, that would be a proceeding, is Ma
opinion, toeonsistesst with the dignity of Parliament. Lei it
bit takes is immediate eusnezios with the Conimomemeot
of obeisant letter—ph. Right Hon. Gtlll4lllllllll here read
the begiaaing and tied of the letter to the Editor, leaving
• at the eudestureej—that proved et once that Om retina was
midemeesti tsetse lithese, wad sot to the Hoe, Iletati.
Mr. TIER NEY screed that, toile* aryl Oritiii tit:ref-
poadesee with lir. Aliercroneby, the letter to the r did
ant outcast to • breach of privilege; but takes with that
eserespossleom se a whole, it was impossible to dray that
it was a pots elalatios of the privilege of Parliament.
The Illariptis of LONDONDERRY was understood to
soy, that, so far ao he could perceive the drift of the para-
graph is seestion, it did oat apply to the condies or mate-
noted of soy Member of Perfumes', bat to what had bees
put forth as the report of • speech made awe that Monet, the
agrectoess of which the writer impeached.
Mr. TIERNEY said, that it was sot the report of tho
,peeek, but the isopetathens epee the conduct at the writer
• the letter, which that speech coutaimed, to which the terms
• unwareseted, grotendless, and false," were applied.
Mr. HUSKISSON said he was quite prepared to Wee
that the whole takes together as a libel upos the Hon.
Member, sod eoaseiryweatly a breach of privilege; end if the
Wean viewed is in the setae light, tbe sootier the ease was
disposed of the better. All that he required was that the
Home sisoold proceed with that regard to cossisteary which
was due to its character and digaiiy.

Mr.COVRTENAY said It was ;et a (air way of viewing the
subject to take the letter to the Editor by itself p 11111 d taking
the • Wit publication together, no men could doubt Met it
bad bees published with an object which it was tintines.
tiosalrly a breech of privilege for any was to entertain. He
therefore moved, " That the publication of the letters, and
She conments, RIO a gross breach of privilege."
Mr BANKER could not decide that the publication in
riactitioo wee a breads of privilege, oaks. be bad beard the
whole of it.
The Clerk then begs* to read die letter of Mr. Mealier,
bat bad hot proceeded far before he was leterropied by
Tim Mertuis of LONDONDERRY, who thought it wall
wacessory to ibis ease, before they pr.- 4-4 farther, tegument.

the &Widmere of the Hue. Mem-bir in his place.
Mr. TIERNEY contended that the whole of Ilse parties
mast be before the House before they mild make toy eider
applicable to his Hon. Friend (Mr. Abercromby).
After the interchange of • few words *cross the table be-
tweee the Marquis of LONDONDERRY and Mr. TIM-
NET—
Mr. C. W. WYNN moved "That idr. Abercronshy be or-
dered forthwith to attend in his place to the Horse.":-.
Ordered.
The Ckrk the. proceeded to tread as follows:
" TO THE EDITOR OF THE COURIER.
" 101, George street, Edinburgh, July 5, ISTI.
eosseq•enee of tennis expressions which sp.
peered in what you published as befog • report of Mr.
Abertrontby's speech un the conduct of the Lard Advocate,
ire following correspeseileae• has taken place, which I base
so doubt you will do an the jestice now to insert in your
Paper :
" TO TIM Ilea. MIMI OUST, DI P.
" 101, George-street, Edinburgh, June 00. 1122.
" Sea—l have observed i• the reports of your speech, so
the et:redact of the Lord Adv.erste of Scotland, published
la the Iforaio, Cirmtiela and Courier newspaper v, that you
are represented as basing made use of the following expires-
sioso:—• Yet, notwithstanding this, up started al every mo-
ment a Baerieter, statiog, That be, as Counsel for Mr. Alex-
ander, must object to sate *item bring allowed to remain in
Coast while the examisation of the other was going on, as be
intended to cal/ all the witnesses no the following Monday
upon the trial of Mr. Bortbwick. The House must at once
perer/ve the motive with which this fore was kept up. But
by whom was is so kept up? It was kept up by a Geritlemen,
who, as the Leaned Lord very well knee, was frequently, if
not slivers employed by him as an ass:emit I. the duties of
his office. The Noble Lord knew this, be knew the feeling
which bad hero msdesvonred to be kept up, and yet, %M au
forty-eight hoses after the acquittal of Mr. Stuart, Mr. Borth.
wick was sent away without any trial'
" Deans the trial of Mr. Stuart, I, es Corned fur Mr.
Alexander, moved the Court that ail the witnesses wbu were
to be examinid as that trial, and Meese omits were in-
cluded in the list of witnesses for the trial of Ilerthwiek,
should be directed by the Court to withdraw am sour as they
bad given their evidence, in order that, as they were to be
examiued upon the sense facts in Borthwick's trial on the
Mouthy following, they might lot bane an opportunity of
hearing each other's testimony. My motion having been
granted, I afterwards pointed out to the Court two trainmen
who were in the stiustioe sow described.
" By the expressions you are reported to have used, it is
more than insinuated that, 'mowing that it was sot Weeded
to bring Borthwick to trial at all, I, under the directive of,
or io concert with, the Lord Advocate, made the above mo-
tion, for the purpose of exciting a prejudice against Mr.
Stuart, unfavourable to his &reser.
" As I believe that these statements could only Save been
made by you, in goner entre of. your beteg igaorant of the
real facts of the Caw:, alid.of your having received false in•
formation on the suhjeet, I deem it right to iuferm you that 1
was I. no way employed oat the trial of Mr. Stuart, cud bad u•
einanseuicattou with the Lord Advocate in regard to it. Some
time previous to the trial of Mr. Stuart, I was retained by
the private agent of Mr. Alexander, as Coursed fur him in
certain actions, our of which was the criminal prosecution
at his instance agaiust Burthwick. The Lord Advocate nei-
ther advised uur a., consulted as to any of the proceediags
in this action, in so far as is known to nee, and the motion I
made as to the removal of the • Plicate* was the result of
my own professional opinion, sod in discharge of what I
conceived to be my dilly to my client Alexander.
"At the time I made that motion it las the intention of
Menem,.e and his Counsel to proceed with the trial of Barth-
wick i sod it was not until after Mr. Stuart'. trial that this
intrusion was relinquished. In cotaingeo this resolution,
the Counsel for Alexander were in no respect actuated by
any regard to the wishes of Ike LG. d Advocate, with *hum
they held uo communication us the subject.
" I believe that when the Lord Adeueate left Edinburgh
he did not litrow that the iutentiou of trying Burthwick had
been absoduaeil ; and even if be had known it he amid trot
have prevented the prusei whin being given up.
" 1 certainly have reason to complete that my conduct
should have been thus publicly attacked, without any pie-
'Pious notice hams' beta gives to me, or•ony prowl' inquiry
made as le the fads. /led I trust you will not hesitate to
;Hake the ouly reparation in your poser fur ilse injurious
misrepreemstation which you have, uniutentionally 1 believe,
given of my coudoct, by communicating to me the haw.-
onetime on which you proceeded, mid the source from which
You oletaiued is, mid by taking the earliest opportunity of
publishing this statement of thy facts of the case, iu the
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of Poetises*, aad Acs limpness., not to Wry late any vs.
planation with respect to expressage, or sentiments impaled
to me„ on the autborrty of newspapers alone.
" It is satisfactory to, me to find that, at fir as my memorz
serves me, to remit what I did say, it is substuutially con-
firmed by the stateaseet in yowr letter.
" I have the (gnawer 1p be, Sir, .
" Tier last obedient alerva tat
I/1.11 °J. AMA 111101110111

I` I feel no loclinaltq&M) AO eitiltellellitlYppl"Flitel
4• I 3,, •. • ,
above correspondence.
I shall, be command with sayieg that,'
forth as a fair report of Mr. Abercromby's speech, hoperpor
motion were by very strong insomnia mid implication awl-
hated to me. Such inspentiors I regard with the most per-
ked/nor, kW I kale BOW shewo that, whoever was the real
saki of then, they wire altogether now ted, groaned-
false. "t anti Sir, foes
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r. COUBTENAY then said, be could taut hook at the
whole of this ease, the prblication of the correspondence
withrbit ememmate thereon, without cos to the oplekos
.
that it bad bees published for an i Mims perpone; wed,
in his opinion, to notertain each • purpose, and to net tepee
it, against a Member of that Nome, fee my ding which
might have been clop! or said by him ie hie pimp, ie the
discharge of hit ditty as a Member, was • Irmo violation of its
prlvilegle. A einem/tame which proved sash to be the
initiation of the writer le this instance, was his not thinking
proper to send his awas-age in reply through the inoffeasive
amused by which he had received the letter of the Moe.
Member, the hands of Mr. Henry Cockburn, but his having
mat them up to tows to be published is • newspaper.
The Marquis of LONDON DEICRY said .he felt am the
smallest hesitant)* regarding the question of breech of yid-
' mime, sad under all the ciresentames of the ease bethought
the House should order the atteedamee of the pert, at its
bar.
Mr. COURTENAY then moved, " That the said publica-
tion taking notice of the speech or a Member in ibis House,
is a breath ere its Frieder.," which was agreed to.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY then said, this ap-
peered to him to be a case in which the Home shareed Mt
eatangk heel' with forum but should order the atiendestbe
of Mr. 111211311141 le the first imitation.
Mr. BROUGHAM thought with the Noble Lord, diet
this was precisely that sort of ease in which the Home
ought not to be guided by a strict adherence to fosses; form
was the headman of justice, and should not be made
the memo of defeating it. ff they fused • letter pub-
lished, signed wnb a person's name, modem forth the
name of the street and the snubber of the House le which he
resided, he thought that was presumptive proof seMeiently
strong to justify them Is taking that perms to be the author
of such letter, sad proceeding in the direct exercise towards
him of those inquisitorial powers with which the Howse was
Invested, for the purpose of dealing with eases of this Plod.
Mr. COURTENAY then moved "Thad Mr. Menzies be
ordered to attend at the bar of the House to-morrow (this
day) se'seiglit."—Ordeved.
COTTAGE TAX IN SCOTLAND.
Lord A. HAMILTON said, when he looked st the easalb
mesa of the son, only 7,000 L produced by the tae of which he
rose personal to entice I. move the repeal, and wives he re-
collected that the Hone hail remedy remitted a am n Mach
larger in f of loelawd, is the repeal of the Hearth sad
Winslow Tax, he hoped be should have little daintily in
prrsindieg the House to remit this sum also, especially
when it was considered that in its mode of collection
k was mach move obuox'ous than by the amount of
the sum which is drew from the pocks@ of the people.
By a clause le the Act of Parlinewoo, person wereelrtlpted
from this las se producing a certificate stigma y dye neigh
hours that they were usable from poverty to pay it. lint
when it was neeidered what was the towable and income-
silence necessary io loamy parts of this canny Croon their
being thinly inhabited, and the rugged Were of the coot.
try, to token such ornikales, the Noose, he was sere,would
believe that in many cases persons would rather put them-
selves to considerabfe incuorealence to pay the small sum
droned d Jef four shillings sod sixpenee, then undergo the
trouble and mortifeation of procuring oath • certificate.
He hoped, thereftire, • there would be no objection to his
moving Bar leave to being in a Bill to exempt •H houses in
Scotland under the real of Of. a year, from the tea of 4s. SJ.
a year imposed by the Int of the 43J of Geo.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the tali
month the Noble Lord wished to repeal was the lowest rate
of the Wisdow Tom I. Great Britaiu, amountiug to 4s. 81,
is Scotland, sad to lit. Si. in Hoglund, which was levied on
houses sot having more then ell wiadows, the rent of which
did not exceed 61 • year. Now, when the House considered
that there appeared by the Corporation Relines of Scotland
to be in that part of the kingdom 400,000 habits ions, of
which 111,200 were charged to the Window Tax in ell Its
gradatioss, leaving abaut 190,000, that is, about two-thirds
of the whole of the houses in Scotland not liable to any
I chavge at all, it would see that it could not fairly be pre-
sented that this tax pressed with any undue degree of se-
verity on any port of the population that was fairly ssbjrct
M rich • charge.
The Serjeant at Arms el this period prevented himself at
the table and made some econowaniestion to lilt Speaker,
who stated that the :dean-ogee oho had been dispatched with
ae Order of the Mouse was then is atteedanee, and pot the
ejavolioe fur his being called in, which being agreed to, the
Messenger sae called in, and, weeding at the her, was ex.
maned by the SPEAKER—
What is your ease ?—lansuel Spitler.
Did yin carry the Older of ate House to Mr. Abereroon-
by's ?-1 did.
Whom did you see ?—A servant.
What conversation had yea with that servant ?-1 asked if
Mr. Abercromby was at home, as I wanted to see bias ? He
said " No." I then asked hem whether he wool.' be at
home to day'
VI hat anger was relented —That be went oat Wines
twelve arid two o'clue4, and, as the same; uneleredoed. Om-
created. towmde Barnet, and is not expected to retain till
eight or tee days.
Did he say where he was gone ? —He said he did sot know.
The SPEA Er Nl*, a ithdra•

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The Messenger then withdrew.
The Marrow of LONDONDERRY then rose, *nil its •
tune of vole. Daily mandible is the gallery, sogrested that
the Speaker should issue his wariest. The Noble Land them
approached close to the hiseaker's chair, and after some is.
audible CIMItC1114114)11 with the Right lion. Geollentaa
sinned his place, and said, an order having already Lees
issued by the House, be did ant think soy lacklustret pre.
tending was necessary.
The SPEAKER said the House having beard the answers
a the messeuger, be contrived no farther order sass ne-
cessary, but that the oflicer• of the Howse should make
every possible exertion to serve the former orders.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then re.
turned. Scotland, be said, paid sow a much smaller pr.,.
portion than England to this tax; and any remission of II to
the former country would be unjust, and afford grounds of
compl•trit to the lower classes of the peoply of England.
The Noble Lord objected to the certificate required of the
inability of those persons who claimed the exemption, ors Ike
gruuud of poverty. But he (the Cbaacellur) thought it evi-
dent, from the 'lumber of houses that were exempted, that
that clause of the Ace must base upi rated very extenaiscly.
lie had au objection, however, to cousider before the seat
Seari..ii, if any mode of exemption could be devised that
would apply more equally to the circumstances of Scotland.
Mr. J. P. GRANT was sure his Noble Friend would 14311 C
nouhj.etios to withdraw his 1111000$1, is eousideratiuu of the
plonitie of the Right Honourable Gentlemeo. The Ho.
uourable Member then punned out some of the rrigi•
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