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!irk' af:fty f ; for instant..., he had flattered
thsit the testionition if ci•h paytueots. tf
that desirable pieta was to take sager, would
abon.!sh the re. desire of forgery. whole she Noble
Lord though! ...!1/ rwise. Tlw ;Noble Lord tl gilt
tt..• two/resit of m ivolicinres te,lled to the ratite
eff.et ; if IN mine wont,' necessarily advance with
the arivarviiig sei•alth and prosiwrity of l lie e by ;
i” like ortoner, the relegation of the great wow.
Wit it alowarerl to him that the Noble Lord was so
ror,7 nn that heed, for Lyndon was not so great w
r. iattnis to the populatioo of the resit of the king-
dom ex in th year trio. though now the greatest
cionmerciel eitt,iy the worhl, and the capital of the
empire of Britain, an*. immense colonial potties-
stuns. Bo: of ail lawadlowe most deserved eon-i.
deletion and called leer amendment, which hail ori-
ginated in mistaken Cleat' of policy, and winch
therefore admitted of correction; among three the
Game Law,, and she Statutes agaiist contraband
trade for the orioection of the revenue. made a pro-
minent pars. and piiaelseer and smugglers supplied
cooion• seer oils so offenders. Seeing the Right lion.
O-tst radar is. his place, whose snore iintueihate pro-
vince it was to emelt ever the latter branch of the
law (the ( Inilicellor of the Exchequer), he could
tint forlwoir /.Iwerving, that Noce the ter aaa i a tattoo
of the war, now in the fourth year of pester, it was
Lim-t extranriliiinty that Mil a tingle :Mellow had
been mate to ala 111•11 one of that train of regulaitoo.,
ostensibly for the security 0r the revenue, whose
stionifest tendency was to proilore and clientli
disprwittriss In acts of blood, and to beget a feso-
riot's character its all against whom they were di-
rected.—(Hear.)—Exam • qc the summary of con-
victions for capital offences, it appeared that the
great increase began iis the year 1808, the windier
had never settee been greater, though it lid Moen
varied; and it •..s a swrions fact, that t the
same point of time !won the great issues be the
Park of Eogland. Ti... author of A Letter to the
nicht Roheri Peel (4 tract which a Hight
nos.. Friend of lit. (Mr. Tiertie)) had before llotkell
of in the loomartehle terms it folly deserved, illy
author .4 akien hail concealed his name. though be
rein,' hot •12 Mores* Ilw fettle his 1110t1W•litol wiolii
solotie, by the tare union of ancieut claimed! learn-
log with tlw seindens sr-le:see it exhibited), had de-
serilw4l the effect of the issues of the Bank iu
extending p apelibm : it was ass admitted prin-
ciple that 'pauperism and criminality wrist hand its
hand. No one could dray, that the teeming of
every man's tocume in the kingdom by tow third,
a constipiesice of the large issues, hail a sensi-
ble effect in reducing the!. distress a.,..g0eil by
tlw Noble Lord as one of the tourers of the 111.
creise of ':rinse. The groused of his motion was
11w inefficacy of the law—the fact was, that prac-
tice and the last were not only divided, but totally
at variance. It was 'curer necessary to state, that
the law inside nn less thou 300 felonies; c.f.i.
tal. The record of the execution/ in Loudon mid
Alsdillevrx, from the years 1749 to 1817, &hewed
that out s.f these there were above is losodred wt
%%Lich sit. execution took Islam within that time.
.1 lw iisfuriontinis for the rest of the knoplossi ex-
tended only from 1805 to 1817—the result of it
was, that is. the course of thirteen years execu.
tints* took place on not shove thirty of them ; ro
that there were above 170 capital felinsies, usi
which no execution took place iu all the rest of
Eve:amid soul Wales slating the last 13 years.
A, g all the benefits that followed the year
11018, which lie might say gave rise to a Puha.
Isterstary Goiter iiiii tot, was au unhappy Witty of
he gi-tau . From that time every Measlier begin.
to li-tea to the auggertiain of his own fears or fati•
cies; mid if there was 1.0 oilier cotapliment to In
conferred, Ministers would at !east oblige him with
a capitol f. looy. 11r. Rorke had told him, that
lie was tow night !ravine the noose, when tate 4+l
the Mrs sage's cause foots a Melabet, and re-
qteestril he would return; he replied. he had bu-i-
-oess out 4.f the House; the Messenger void, lie
should le. detains,' tool) a moment, warrly while a Hill was
nod, wittinte a terria to Ail felony, without hew fit of
Chirr —(.4 hams 3-Thal facility Impaired rated
Ile law, while at the risme time the honiawity of Si,
itistritairtil, and terms,' to he tlrei,sory to the rvi I atom 01
pit itittllrsto.llltltly sever,. Ntchtlig lit% more t
tseiius time.. to disrobe Ili' solid srprrattao of law tool prac-
lire, sit ph^ idteet of a deliberate laid settled systens—it was
the rt .r river* nail malignatil accidents The Learned
oil. tarsi drip, after paseesciaitts der character arid Weak
of Sir William. Giant, spotted his vow& on Isva calf.
Orient mmeassuua, est nom of whirls Ise said that the law
sole, be 1 end to she praetos. 1i,,( Ilw 1.f.1111r, road
lint he hem 01 to the law ; and MI lie gernltit. 11,111, dosing
slur whole of ink last half centary, tits re had heist a staispi-
racy between proseeistors, wiluesses, juries, and all pro.
....rented, In pretreat the esircatime of the law. Criald
there torn, he asked, be any gurelloo oa Itir propritly s.f
sw is ling such laws? The edicts of war AII.I primer no
paNtie morals lee considered to lie iriegular. He ails,.
bated much more In the diminution la the ratio of use.
stomas to cosmic, 00000 s, which he united Irmo being I vim
IMrds tint of the whole sit the year 1749, wercesawely to tow
h. t., row-fnitals, and at last to one-eleventh. Oar tit-
caws.smehod ...rapi it the Osier velum of Sloe Noble Lord
..i*ssr if he hut ths4tr.l crimm inter classes, he would have
frrairil lint the eseeotanos sum the great. r crimes was om-tortr
PM wi Ihr tworir o i 0000 ; but its the lesser, sine in thirty, or
um, he Witty. He should make a slistribittion of crimes 111141
Shoe easses:—The tiers would e positron' murder rout
Sam& ions s.tliiires,stalibilig, rutting and maiming with M.
tem to ktll, sad all ;leis that aimed al, or 111 Ihrtr Cyjohrtit
C.lultufrirllr..ll loft to Ihr ,'estrus tiou of him-th these
he should add, gratin, high. ay robbery, burglary, pi.
racy, aml owe or ten similar sitfrore.—oisd with riispeer
to all these should say, lhat Ili, v ought to lie put snit
of the question, 1111.16 m it would lie Nowise to attempt ally
1%114r:411.m iu the law regarding Hr islanild
at I lie oth,r rad of Ihr hitt, al the hatsilruit or I kid 111141
fifty trivishotir Slid fantastical capital Monis a: :col his had
110 twolation in saying, that he would elpatti4e theta mat of
CAI Augur. as he Is sal tiu Justin Pullictesit iatiosliewista tor
tic in mach, be devised, whatever emiclus 00000 the Hewite
snialst arrive at concerting gaol. and
re-in-et to the intermediate class, that or larcs flies and
gr. urn fronds, the moth a Ir. atiat Chew would furnish
matter fir Pirrone iirguitient. He contended that Ore judo-
et sl sh mid nut be takes away, kilowatt, as be
tto.t oolto tr.! was aii 101(41,141 Rs an 'plasma Bona-
Inv in pn.,i•asitte —r OEM'. Honourable
.whey these noticed the rerttiriou of the late Sir Sairinel
Lt. wi iv, 4 sure orn.thility, be ,e.& had hero cositroted
vale isstegrry, and alliti!viewsifor the improvement
rot Ilse (.eirsimall I,IW rrniarkably skewed Isis character sit
isa.,, b ro th•tc..frtitilitrY—fttr Herrr hail L.giss
bit.,, hew, t.et, ,i 4. rate and taboos in the thou ea:oriole
to memo rite moat lir oi•tie serf nici rifest ends. In one daft
Ito 1•314 smeserestisl, and h id resew,: tin' county Irmo a vest
put to rtlii 5.. oast ••1111 Att,i siiconsiderate
t.r.0l i f
it welt btol grow
time —* them) Inc losoory of tiw time, lie should tier i
ese 4/14 if 41 as tour 11,31 rootletl liit cosintry from the
1.11,24/1...(r1 iv, of Mar, hear)—lt., theft argued im the
tati...i•y of ladri log she pnumhown' of I:e6118 to remain
to Ste iiiiperiaJoictil at Ihr 01121.1fellUtt tai the luslv, in taus

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usually punished by traerportatinn; et:intending that the
man. Griot, is. ilw Majoiroy of sum is cases, like Cicero, run-
',, , i
soosereo. oamsounent not as . ail.. or a penalty, hut a to file
foum pastiolsonent Fleury Fie Muir hail said that one par-
Jan produced MOW hope in the mind of 11w nialrfurtur, than
twenty execu 11111 l s did fear, which entirely folllo med his pi in-
civil.. He Mei. mentioned several GeV., to chew the mitiga-
tion that hid been made in the Cr ominal Laws at the desire of
potties nub rested—as well as their reloo tante to Forwent*.
'Tlw late Clow( Ryon had stmtsd it to he his opinion, that
the freqnrot commutation of transportation for death was
rodent:deft to deaden the ft' liog of terror the law was in-
tended to prudiere. It besides had the effect of daily impaii-
ills the &Who'dy of the Courts of JUnIOIT. Hr then re-
Teured in the aellswity sif Sir W. Groot, Mr. nitrite, Mr.
Fox, Mr. Pitt, mid Lord Grenville, in support of the prin.
, eiplea he was laying down He had presented himself to
the view of the House, smut to throw ituptilionento iii the
way of the executing aw l laws, but to remove
O ki
Omer which had twee nk ng up. It was to coil-
, tirade the ancient
..bet'neelinnig •ttachinent of the
people of Funhid**4lll. the laws; 10 increase the alter lion
pool respett, as well as terror, with which ii,. y weir viewed,
that he entreated the Bloom to sanction Isla 'indium lie
Then alluded to tie Petitions from the,Citg of London, mid
the Sudety ofTrismils, to w • id great weight was due
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foom Ilie rempeetive charnel t Petitioners; and con-
cluded with defending the latter atonic CCIPOOTA thrown
upon them on account of revisits expressions in their Peti-
tion ; awl auguring faviourably of the ultimate slicers. of
his ramie from its receiving their support.-I,llcser, bear.)
The qiiesti 111 l is. the motion was then put from the Chair.
Lord eASTLFRItAGH expressed his sense of the candid
sod I hie tioanner 111 whirls the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had hrought forward and urged lulu motion,
though it was what he had certainly expected frnm his ex-
cellent understanding and character. He wished In New
the attention of the House an the question really at issue
between them. The practical (location at issue was, what
was the best course for the House to take to lead to a wise
and jiist.rourloasion iiii the important siihjert before the
House? "be Him. and Learned Gentleinao had certainly
adduced two preceiteuts in favour of the in,de of proceed.
Mg he recommended; but still he would contend, that the
pircedents themselves, from experience of their results,
formed argionient against imitating them. With respect
to slot measoro of 1750, it had no result; but bad
that measure liven accompanied by the proposition he
a pr. s UM% impairs., to ascertain if the puidshnient of
death were abolished, what accord, would be given in its
•toold for the protection of property. His objection there-
fore, to the prop •sition of ii, Hon. and Learned Gentle.
wino was, that he preferred an artistry* to a gear first view
—that he dill not say what minislinient should be establish-
ed for minor offences. If precedents were to he attend-
ed to, it would be right to see what the result had
been of the measures of 1750 mill 1770, the Honourable
MO IA irtird Gentleman forgot to tell the House what
hail been the result of both—they did slot lead to any
—they produced tin change to the law_tanol the circumstance
of their failure wool.' suggest 10 time House, that if it meant
to do any thisig 'ditch's'. it should take not au abstract,
but a plactirat view of the question. Had the measures t
which h, alluded. when they coutemplated the abolition (re-
*peeling property; of the punishment of death, contem-
plated also the system of IWC0110•Ify punishments, sulEciest
to bold rout a salutary tenor ; the Bills that had heen brought
in might have been passed into law , and if the Haute
were to draw au infiwence from the precedents, they g
are how necessary it is whin they took away the severer
punishment to sulist it nie some other, ealulai y and effectual
Aw the to...tension of triune a 1.1 the protection of prupesty.
He mild mot, be said, go with the 11:41i4Ming Of the Hun.
mad Learned Gentleman, that they should accelerate their
procershoet n who'd met ions inquiry. Hill View wla 10 lake
away capital punishments, without, in fart, leaving behind
a remedy fur the stoppress.ou suit punishment of crime. lie
(Low! I 44.11erearh) would remoool the !louse that a Bill had
hero brought its by the 1,1.- Sir SAMIO I Ronolly, to take
awl C41.10a1 mon Woolen* from the crime of stealing off the
ma Soli The Hill pa-sr.! into u law four years ago. Ile
had lwfort him return• of the pros. I lotions fur illii offence
AU the last ten years, and he (Mood that educe the law bad
hers. ninignied, the proonetootions had greatly increased.
Those iii 11410, the convicti 111 l s We're 13(; in the following
years, IN, 222, 271, 311, 402, 5119, and, lastly, 531—and
there a ere ',mewled in 1•111, 65, nod in the following
yea's, 53, 70, 135, 167, ?31, 13-1, and 257. This. he ad-
molted, wan ow( la jaolarr Parliament nut to entertain in-
quiry intro the state of the Cs Onion I Law, fur the purpose of
repealing the more so vs or pasts of it, but it would tied to
skew the House bow taut moody they should proceed, and
bow twiesatiry it nKa to ta!ir is full, Cm, owl corn-
preheir-ive view of Ilie tpiestion—to consider also
the hest mode Of prOYOIOIZ fift.C.Wll secondary panishmeida.
As to the clostacter of those crionea to whirl, the law applied
the pun:shown( of death, Ilie Iltimiiii able moil • bullied
Crtllitnilliol bail 01011.11, 11141 200 crimes urn- held by the law
as capital plitiihlina. Ms. He (laird Castlereagh; •1 he
haul braid that fact :dated, hall no cootoreption that the
untotorr .4(10151 Nooses weir so many, bit he could toot
think float thoo-e rases whirls were punished with transmit ta.
two, should be included in that moodier. The (pies 111111 l
he admin.'', was of hroinins emisideration, hut, if the
inquiry pflopOYfal by the Hot.. Gentleman should go us., he
(Lewd C.) did not think it Impossible that both Inquiries
with, be blended toot. doer, as built went to die same subject
.—bulb went to ilw alinalliehlioll of the Csisnisial Law. He
was motion, Ilvil the Itipitil NI Id go ou as soon as pose-
W. 1,0 II shoold hue eompl. le—the faith! of many measures
had hero that Gentlemen were
ports of Committees !hats to enoloace the gelietal relations
of the subject, or to arrive at a satisfactory remit!. Caney
poly a. re noxious for a CO, lemony, but Le k 1,941 C ) was
nissoolos for a satiptortsory set Olt, he Was ,011tiotia 110 IlOoltre
motor-1y le aro goolatiom of minor 10011iNlonO WS. lie Ina%
anxious fir a foil sod comprehensive inquiry, sour dot he
think that Mimi, s ...mid cuithatine a peal deal of time. Al
14. the state of prooma, lit• did hoot mean, Ifs the measure i.e
promised, no root 11111 l I the Hints,' to examine the rd-go tattoos of
'vets Basel Its the kissed ; Ili it, it Oil eario y, would tou hese
&WV by Ikons- MOM might :WI 11:olar a CoMOIONI4OII i,,M.$l by
the Cronus. He did Dos cant. 'opiate a narrow mod minute
inquiry, hot a gem oat nod prt hetosire view of the lair,
and of ilw hest ito mos of gnat chug, to the crust of its repeal,
Ilw tit:Lisa poop. its. Ile was at the saute Glue aoastr,
that there Orr,' sirens f cis all'al it would be tircersairy
Stliroly Its inquire MI.; Ifni fn lOU h OH pow helpmate Cum.
nulls.. a Onglll lot. appollikal, Whose duly would he to 4o into
more mitotic details Satisfied, as lie sas, tl.at ilie Cuts-
miller already appointed *weld do every ilotiog oh it control
ha hoped for, and slid time norpeirs, its the shape in which he
put it, moved for liy ill.' Bight Hoar Geod. Mall, would fad
of a sasoistartury result, lie 1.11 It hio duty to propos.• the pre-
vious question.
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Mr. looxvois said, ilw Noble Lord wished to have the in-
rpOry pot into the bands 4.f doe matte appoosted oil his
motion. He (Mr. was dirytily al, contrary opio ion—.
hemp..., with ell o.lr unto. try. their knowledge, and ths if
taletshi, list" would out he able to attend to it—having
already un their hail► isms, dillies than Hwy could possibly
discharge. Th. y bad, 1.1, the Slate of the Prisons ill Else-
land, Srutland, and Irelansl-2dly, the System of the !An—
nex', the Subject of Transportation—next, the State of the
Hulks—and, lastly, they had to inquire into the state
of a Colony at the Autipusbas But these were nut all—
the Noble Lord would have them go from cause to conse-
quence —they sht.nld lupine not only too the stale, but the
(-stoar of crime. Now our (awe of moue was the waist of
religion and Osseo ion in the people; titer. lute, as lo n lilt in-
spiky into ths should he mentineed, the N.shle I.aJ would
he expected to say, no doubt it was a mattes very pauper fur
inquiry, and let it 61: referred to a Gaol Committee. In his
nplitiuh, no delay should be made to inquire into the whiten(
the Penal ('ode; !surmise he eons:dried that Code as Stimuli-
tic Sett a.r. sangtiiiiary.Rll as illtittlitileithiC as It Wat.
He would, he sail, observe on un observation made 4 the
lanb!e t.utrl, tO which he (Lord Castlereagh) atiachid iia-
poi tante. He stated that though (rinse increased tUr the
fiat six years, it was incidental, and not actual, and grew
out of pecid. tr eireumsdantes—tote of these was the war
anti tl.e reduction of the army. It was indeed, one of the
isitsfortunes of war, that those who were eu‘set d in it eon.
llRRitd of violence owl of ctsrrltj, and alien
they had no eue.ny to encounter, they too atria
totted their lures sgsinst the mg jcclit of the Mate.—

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He 51. R.) hot h Cue him a statement which wool) lbr
some light on the increase oaf crime in the coon
would take a realm! of 10 years, 50 y. my ago, ■sod
the capital convictions of that period wills the capitalises-
' vicious of sloe 1,11.1 lei years, $llll it V/1/11111 sprat that fur
the first polio(' the number of capital efillVielllllol anuissulool
to 320; Joe the last ten years they amounted to 1,402.
The law as it stood was ■t vat Noce with the ancient law of
the !awl. For u period of 450 years, COMSIWIII'IIIg at the
reign of Edwind 111. she capital enactments. in this retool y
woonweil to 123 :—For 150 years, from Edward 111. to
Heury VIII. three wee, Nix enseiments; from Fleury VIII.
to Cowles 11. there were thirty ; and for die last 150 yeses
there were 187. In the reign of the Plantageisets there were
Corr; in that of tbe 'lfiailora twenty-seven ; in that of the
Stuarts thirty.sits ; and to the reign of the Hauuswirks 134;.
. 11 was right, he said, to call the attention of the Howie to
thus- that in the present reign there VIM more capital
o &sires created by law, than /hiring part of the reign of
the Pkolatertels—than daring all the reign of the Tudors
• —than iloritig, all the reign of the Stuarte—(Hear, hear!)
—A tenderness fur the subject's life, a feeling or humanity,
• t se? isiftwed itself inlet the true spirit of the British Coil-
: &mullion. Humanity, like liberty, was inseparable Irons
its noble nature. It was not troe then that their 's was
■ modern theory—they looked for no innovatiou—They look-
ed for the restoration of the ancient laws of England; they
wished to restore its lonmaue spit it, and to destroy recent
end sanguinary iurlitllhuns, Thos in fact, the modern
attempts of his Hon. Friend, termed out to be the ancient
law, and the venerable fahrie who•h he is charged with pros-
strating, towns mil to be of modern creation—odious to
the present times, as it was happily unknown to the purer
awl freer days of England.
The Hon. Mernlier next alluding to the effects produced
by the ity of the law, aunt, that public opinimi had
luridly de/la:en against it. He Overfeed, that the slate of
England was different from oilier nations where the voice of
the mitotic had no effeet. lu the admiiiistrate of the law
it hail [reit in better times felt that the people of Entflaad
co-operalen in its execution, but it was not so now; far from
wish' iig to execute the law, the Iwo feelings of the people
were hilted against it—the feelings of witnesses, judges,
and jurors, combine against the cruelty of the law. Ile did
not mewl to impute any thing against Ministers—it would
soot be COW him to do so. He had, on some orcairions,applued
to them oar Iwhalf of unhappy persons couvicied, and it
was but candid to say that they "hewed every disposi-
tion to nod some comae for the interposition of mercy.—
Hirt what did this prove? Why that the ripple of England
were obliged to fly from the erne' enactments of their own
law to the protection of Misitsters.—(Hear.)--The first
class of crimes he would 'newton, to which the law by ap-
portioning excessive punishment did in fact give real im-
punity, was the case of fraudulent bankrupts. This in
I • mercantile country was a great misfurtnne ; yet iii
so case has there been a conviction of a fraudulent
bankriopt...4o powerfully du the feelings of humanity recoil
boon the cruelty of the law The next crime was that of
forgery 1411 individuals—that offence is a capital one—yet
rarely punished. Here he mentinued two eases of the most
Irespectable merchants in Loudon, or indeed in Europe, who
stated to him that eases of forgery hail been committed on
theist—that the pessuos were to their power, but they would
sot institute a prosecution. He next allotted to the cooduct
of Junin, who sooner than convict brought in verdicts of
acquittal where evidence of guilt was clear. Here the
Hui 00000 ratite Gelitlemail mentioned a case where the prose.
Castor swore that he put his money into the pocket of
his sinallciothes. ■tad 'let it under his bead, and the rub-
ber came at night and took the money. The property was
Crowd with him, yet the jory argil iited him—t he counsel on
this case stated, that the jury must have presumed that the
pair of breeches went mit of the room for the purpose of
being robbed—that after being robbed, they re-entered, re.
placed themselves under the pillow of their master, who was
not aciptaiiiteil is ill, their midnight travellitig—(Letrghfee.)--
The caress of punishment induced Juries, from good feel-
ings usi doubt, to commit perjury. He lamented this as a
public misfortune. The trial by Jury was a shield which •
rowelled Picea ttttt , and all that was dear, and should re-
flect fatly thing pule. In had times Jurors were'coor-
'opted ; they were once the instruments of fat lions, hence
the popish plot; they were the instruments of Ilse Court,
hence the condemnation of Russell and of Sydney.— ,
The ',earnest Gentlemau next adverting to the twer-
, !Misty of punishment, staled, that by Parliamentary do. t•
rainiest's it appealed, that the number of forgeries detected
at the Wilde of Eugland amounted ill 30,180, that is 30,180
I capital e.ffeuees, of these 142 were prosecuted, 02 were
convicted, and but 14 were execute:A.—Thus, from the
state of the law, there was 221 chances to sine that you
would be WOW cooled-501 to one that you be cuniricted
—awl 2,222 are our that you be executed; and this ups/.
rates upon a people whose whole life is a hatard. Here
the Hem Gen U.mui went lido a detail of some very dis-
tressing facts he stated the case of a boy of 16, who was
executed a month ago; that a gang, to which lie belonged,
were found lost in drunkenness and every species of
deprs-
sHy; that they were not affected at Isis death ; mod that sob-
suipient to huts 11/MI4IOII 13 of the in were apprehended for
✓oot.bery. The Hun. Gentleman concluded a splendiil speech
by saying, that it was inipossible that the lan could remain
as it was--that an alteration, radical and immediate, was
necessary—and freeing that the meatiest) of his Hon. Friend
woos hest calculated ►o accomplish that object, be would sup-
portit.
; Mr. eaIIaTINAV mane a Imig, speech partly in reply,
is which, however, he said that Inc slid out agree to souse
part of the plat' of Lord Castlereagh.
Mr. Lawson spoke, Ant was not heard in the gallery. We
stooks-stood lone to speak fur Ministers.
Mr. C Aloitual:g said he preferred the proposition isf his
How Friend to the family Committees of the Noble
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Mr. J. SMITH spoke in favour of the motion.
Slr. 'ATI El.Tosi fultuwedl 0111 the same mail He said that
' thy argmu,euta brought forward in support of the mutiou
s wale so clear, and MO convincing, that be would support it.
Sir. I'aUTHFRoS: said, that the insole. Ministers suggested
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was pro cisanypla hat defeated, on many oecrosions, the efforts
lof Sir Samuel Hominy.
Mr. Wii.MoT Spoke agaillat Ilse motion, though be ee-
-1 prolt4Val Inoue If flail:sully Im au iminviliate correction of the
Criminal Code.
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Mr. Wsuatuironce said, that the good ens's, was already
errumplishrd—it might nut le this but 1111 Mire to the
reins n the pun, the rum tit' humanity mail or jii•tieg would
triumph, The Hun Gentleman IWO. d a high etilug man tin the
maim, rin as latch Sir J Illackmittalt brought forward Or sinew-
am. He condemned the idea a delay. Whikt they ',lumber-
illllll4lll eseaturia might perish—perish by the law. He
concluded a lung and eloquent speech amid the cheers of the
Nunn..

Mr. CANNING also paid a Milli eloquent tribute to the
Hun. and Leiirited Gentleinao who introduced the question.
He professed in the inquiry—but nsieeil,
with Lord Castlereagh, flout the mode propnwit was not
the best. He said, that property should be protected,
and that before the law, u itatood, was repealed, it would
be wise and was inthspeusable to consider the state of fr-
comeary punishments, and that they 11114.111111 appear to hr
aulfiriently strong fur the protection of the peace mill pro.
perly of the e try. The Right Hon. Gentleman made a
lougaud eloquent speech against the 'notion.
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Mr. SCANLYTT expressed his cordial concurrence in the
motion of his Hon. and Learned Friend (Sir J. Mackintosh)
and his eatunishnieist that his Right Hon. Friend (Mr Can.
nine; should have viewed the subject iu the maniac lie had
dons.. It was impossible to reflect upon the of the
present motion without being reminded of the great effmts of
Sir Samuel Ronsilly in She same cause.—( Hear
did the Hon. Mrmhs r for Bransber (Nlr. Wilberfoire) fit.
smite that lamented charmer as haying erech II ass ini-
psi isliable muniument to Ids memory, by his labours in
this great cause. He (Mr. Scarlet') had known that illus.
trion. 111311 from the earliest period of his life. Ile rem.lll.
ben d his great ciforts,before the public mind was enlightened
csiough to feel the questiou in ail its proper bearing., and be
had lived to see the progress of public opinion, and the firm
establishment of those great prineiptes in ibe public I.
airieli it had been the object of kis illn•lrruua Friend's life
and labours to inculcate and enforce—Weser )--He remt m-
in lest, that after the sanction of this Howie to the preamlsle
of So Samuel Romilly's Rill, which set f.rrlly that races...lce
punishment did nut opiate to present crime, and preamble

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wall-eke where rrj. eta ; stilt it had been rtennisr4l by this
Homes, and Ilium that his How and Lem-soot Friend 41.55 J.
Mackwasish) hail formed the basis i f his present mot hie. The
Hight NoisomeMe Gentleman had said, he doubted the
praefienbsitly of Sr Santini !inanity's notions noon rertste
parts of this subject, awl he used as an ar ;:ti int ii, libel the
crone of privately steeling had mind 41, !nitwit/I.
OW %mese &noon 00000 law 'f Ms terms fit.
lacions senile tareasonme. 'fire i rime of fooselare had not
Irmo prevented i.e the et-verity of Ike Isw Compate the
progress of tine CI MC WIII, 11441 of pile-at-1y strafing frosts
the le rents. The rotorieintii- foe pi ft aide steatieg in ISt!
were 85; in 1%17, Kiev wee-4 975. For burglary, in ISI I,
76; in 11417, 374. lie !meant". le ref. will 11. the 1,1,1111011
of Sir SAnsuel Romilly, es given before iiir Continiii. %VA
no person 4:0111.1 read the et/Mem-ea ilitt ei eat 111511 srule.ul
being struck with the alcrisity of NII 111 that
rode, where the measure of p • hinesit was in 155451
instances so iliflpf4..lollllllll.ll to the effeeire It had lawn
said that the Noble I.rtol's Committee ,entered Ibe CAum it-
lee whirl) would he inuved for by Isis Ilun. awl It awned
Friend minuet smry—lie email nut emirm in doe amnion, alt
I hesemstrary, of the two Committees. mid that set mot to liiiii
lobe the real question, he gave Ins eh rated preference to the
one now moved for. With Reference to the Committee on
the State of the Prisons, nu man would he thought doubt of
the propriety of it, Ise.etialel not however help saying, that 111.
lusters might, before thet, have, upon their own responsibility
and without making it the subject of Parliamentary mimes,
lekeu such intestine int would have reniedic4l snow pail ail
the evil complained—(hear, hear, fro% the Opposition
Beneher)—Thry 11)0k Ills step mail the public mind wee
called to the subject by the work of an Hun. 111erulter (11i
Buxton:, which hr (11r Srarlett; trail wills, he might say,
mingled sru.at ions of pleasure and barren—pb amore ar .. e.
ing ass enlightened mats employ Itiumell with midi eller',
sod horror at the "cruet which lent I ant. 1111IIII,y de-
velopetl. 'llw Noble land opposite (Lord Can't-resell)
came forward wills a plan not to remedy any smeific griev-
ance, but In embrace all the inquiries which the. great sub.
jest involved. If the Noble Cord eitefineil his inquiry to the
stale of she prisons, it could not obviate floe sweeattily of
ethipting the step now proposed, for the state of the prisons
had nothing toils, with the infliction of punishment prescribed
by the Criminal I.aw, it least of all could (rive tiny thing
to 110 with the question of hue propriety of the sentence of
punishment remaining upon she Statutes, in cases where it
was confc.--sedly never meant to lie esifatiell.—(Henn, hear.)
—The certainty tif punishment was the meat priortple to
enforce ; a number of 00000 istnnetit4 were now nominal ; they
were so rawly inflicted, that they %reined hi be called
into mellow rather by chance than by any direct rule.
--(near )—lt was said the terror that the name of the Ms-
nisliment inspired was salutary-4-in sneerer so this lie sail
that as smitenerm were now impraed by the law, there was ill
terror—there was no apprehension of death ; therefore, to
alter the present system was not In take away a death which
bed its terror, huts death winch had 1111 terror et all.—
(Hear, hear.;—ln his professional experience he had area
many instances of Ilse inefficacy of the vvvere denunciation
of punishment as the law now stood. He had seen Judges,
Juries, sad witnesses concur in what he would call a linmane
conspiracy to defeat the !Mild ing vengeance of the laws. ism 9
game out if 10 the passing the sentence of death was a mere
mockery to the culprits—it was a mere mockery both of law
and religion, and tended to "makes the association which
ought always to be inceleeted between crime and pieniehment.
—(Hear, Aectr.)-e-Appeals had been made to the lenity with
which the laws of this country were sdministereil. They
were, it was true, administered with Ike greatest lenity, but
they were equally remarkable for the severity of their san-
guinary character. The inquiry proposed by his Hu.
nourable aid Learned Friend, was a real practical our,
and uul one tiseant Is, defeat the great object those who
wished to reconsider the Cri 11l ill al Code had in view. The
motion of his Hon. and Learned Friend was to pursue that
plan, the balls of which nos fixed by Sir Smicel K 'fly.
It slum Id have his ( Mr. &Arlen's) support to prelti nice lu
sloe plan of G wee:tomcat, which was far more sperulative
than practical.—(Heir, hear.)
Mr. CAnNING and Mr. SCARLFIPT mutually explained.
Sir. Alderman Woof) corruburited sire it dement 114et1 Ihr
severity of imnishmeitte operated to prevent a uuwber of ca-
pital prosecutions. The elate ef gaols was a stitirreni soh.
jail; lon one whieit did nut the iron require revision. There
were now in Newgate 45 tinder 'entente sit death, and 240
fur transportation. With respect to what hash twee said of
the increase of offenders by alisbenderl sailors. it was suf-
ficient hi say, that out of 350 persons in Newgate, only 12
were sailors. .

Apecostnyg-GeNsitat. Mike-fed to the pruposittun of
his Honourable and Ltaruesl Friend, OD 17. r gr 1 lb it it
was much better a discretionary power should be stavested
in the Judges, than that n Pius:die punishment, decisive an•l
final in its operation. al Id be substituted lii rases
of burglary, there was a wide difference Inflate's the
scale of guilt of the boy who merely lifted the latch
of a dwelling, and entered it at esitthl, and the act
of the felon. who ontragroooly sielaied the security
of ilameidic Ids. As to the preamble ut Sir sanitstd
Bill, all be should bay 11/.101. that the principle
uf that preamble was added iu an amended form in a late
stage uf the Pill, sod lie (the Attortse.(ieisesal) had at
the time objected to its introduction as a precedent which
may ht•rl•after hr used in an injnlinua sualinvr. He
quoted the authority of Lord Hale, to thew that the increase
of e. inn. justified the denunciation nf the severtat youidt-
tarot, of even death itself, against the offence, though the
demerit of the particular offender may have Some.ltadra of
palliation. With respect to the crime of forges y, 11. e ptilthe
seemed its many instances to bare lust aight of the alrosaty
which was committed by a stroke of the pen.
Sir J MACKINTOSH replied, and the HUMe di1116,1, whets
the numln
For the previous question l2B
Against it

Majority lt/
This deciainn was received with loud
Sir .1 MACKINTOSH'S million was then put and (saki],
and Ihr following Commit tee appointed :
Sru James Mackiutosh I Mr. Finlay
Lord Attliorp Mr. Brougham
110,trixutio,i,st
Mr. B. Bathurst
Mr. Scarlet!
The AitoruryuGeneral Mr. Courteiiay
Mr. Wilberforce Mr. Wynn
Lend Nugent Mr. Maculouald
The Solicitor General Dlr. Lyttel
Mr. Abercronsby I Mr. Holford
The Hon, Geis Vernon Dr. Pliillimore.
Alderman Wood
Oil our readmission to the Gallery, we found the House in
a Committee on the Husbandry Horses Bill.
Sir C. MONCK hoped, that as much relief as were possible
would lie now given to the agriculturist in the redo, tom of
the taxes upon busbaudry, as it Mils known that the (p. u s.
exchanges haul lately fallen, which haul iis a great degree
'inducted him from bring awl in the cormunoket by ilie
furriga grower.
The Clau6l.l.u; a the E‘ellF9t•ca would willingly
nooks, any reds's:moo et' taxes to 14.1%011$ of this class of pi..
pie, if the Hut.. BetrilliVi would paint out to him ails
lute for raising tbe sante 'mu of money for the esteem. 1.5 of
the State.
On the 'notion of Sir M. W. Rust.sy, accounts were or-
dered of the surcharges of Ilse assessed taxes front Ai sth
FOrtiary. 1818, its the sth February, 1819. Hr *doe HO-
tire that he would call the atteuturs. of the Holm In lists
subject on an eat ly day.
Sir H. PARNELL brought up the Report of Inc Holyh..ad
Road Bill, which was reCUiveil azrerd to.
Ott the motion of LORD CACILERF.AHII the names, of Sir
Thomas Baring, Hr. William Peel, Mr. Bootle Wain:di:no,
and Mr. Boswell. were added to the Prison Contmittre.
The Rouse Ad:01101ra at 11AI.F-PAST ONE O'CLOCK,

It visa Mr. MAsll:l4.foN URE. Ilrnthrr for Wel.,
who ttl►nkr alter Sir CHARLP.6 BURREII., to
the Hel)dte iu the Home 01 Common* on iLe Neu•
'VII Election, On Mottllky night, 141.11 not Mr.
GRANT, as ►tNtrd iu our report.
CHARLES FORBEr, rsq. M.P. strived at
house, Fitzroy.quitiP, .11 M. tit.loy vvtoing, !row
Clifton.

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TE E BRUT S El P.RE S S:

con DON
WEDNESDAY, MARCO 3, ism

The conduct of the Nfiorptis of HuTinily in th- Lae wir
ill India. received last eviiiiig the vitit.l sppiw.
hation of the House of Lord.. The cots that led to tie.
hestilities, the irruption. of the predatory Piadarriet
the peaceful subjects of the lititiab Goverimseirt, the
prated ter-riche; tea of the Native Priem, awl Ike p„,rnot
soil VV/1110116 nrescitres adopted by the Nob!, i:2„1.;.
to egret and punish the ;Berri silos, were clearly detntled
by 11,e Earl of Et Vest coot The melancholy tweeter...el. that
aerie., in the Oscine of Loire .41111plete informatinnoo dolor
a stain over the character of Sir Tunitaa Histroe. we shod.
to the execution of the )(Mariner, nr Guvernur gar the pnr, ref
Talse ir, after he had surrendered him-elt into the kW. d
the British army, was noticed by the Marquis of dais.
ItoWrl ; and no his motion ilie llope adopt, d a rewoutions
r %rept inz from the Vote of Thanks to Si Sn T. Hni..tw. 1.4
military .erv,cll., the occurrence nt Talaeir, on skirls
their Lordship. declined passing any opinion mild they were
in pas.tasinn of more ample information. This ?rent had
been noticed in a late debate in the units Hoare; eri,,,r
simile reservation was made. It wonld nut be fair In rams*
an opinion upon a subject so nicety delicate, which involve.
the character of a gallant Officer, until his own implant.
tiort of the affair be received in this country. The Gr.
icrimient hive ksiied orders that ',toy iaftwimitina reipett•
lug title moiler shout(' br communicated as NMI ss rani bk.

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH IVO night brought forward liia
promised motion in the Mule of Cononnos, hw the appoint.
mem u( a G•tnntittee to consider •o flinch of IM Criminal
Law as 'Aides to the punishment of Death in cases of
Felony. Lord CASTLIRFAGH, who hoped to stile the mo-
tion of the Learned Geldlemma ley his proposition on ilia
preceding evening, for the appointmaia of • met of Pr,.
/opus Cnisweiffre, which was, at pleasure, to split am!
divide uself intro as ninny hodivs se there were subj.,. is
connected with his almost inilefinile nuiliuo„ moved 'he
previous pit...lion. A very spio lied d. Late followed—end m.
though Muuat►'s used their efforts to di feat the object m
Sir JAM'S MACK they were filially left in a 'showily .
he numbes a, 011 the division, being—For the umlaut), 147
against it, 12•--uiaj.uify, 19.

The snutthetation of the numbers Irma receiee.l with 1,,,,, 1
4-heron by the Oppoeittoin Sw 'AXES Nl•Ctcictustl Munn.
Muddy lianitit itis Committee.

The proceedings at vie Covent-garden butting,
yesterday WI-fe MUM) the Name biti4.ll Monday, in t.r
cc related to the bustle and tumult of the mod.
Tie strongest opposition was manifested to hear Mr.
Hontioust, and the most complete opposition to
hear every body else except Sir FRANCIS BVRDETT.
The. Hou. Baronet, notwithstanding the teapot.
sibility of Mr. LASIler °lntoning a hearing, ex.
crpt by those who are tinmedostely near him,
states, that he is justified in addressing the Electors
in reply to his speeches, tic Mr. Lanib has leen, to
the public Papers with corrected statemeuts of what
Its utters front the hustings, and can therefore di.-
.eminate his opinions to the country. We do vot
know to what Pailtfl, the Honourable Baronet al-
ludes, bin we cut' sae trily the only informations
whirl, we have bad of the business of the Election
has been through our own regular channels. Three
sweeping general charges against the public Press
show Wain it would have to fear from the man who
maker them, had he its liberty i.e Ins power. Great
allowance, however, should be mails for the angry
r Groom of overweening sanity, do•appoiieted-111 its
1110:4 favourite pursuit and plitlitOr. At the nowt
of the contest we confidently predicted the dr-teat
of Mr. HoBHOUSE, and the thud result will this
day confirm our anticipation.

The Three per Cent. l'onsois opened yesterday
at 74, sod closed et 7:3!,. mid for Account they
opened sit 74k11. 73k. They suffered
rolpe,lersitle fluctuation in the intermedeete part of
the Illy, but the clos- of the market shelled a der
ceded iinprovemeut. For this result they are in.
deleted to sue tlatM,.tul explemateuu Rivets by the
CHANCELLOR of nee Ext:itsuus* in the Non-e of
Commons on the !erect-ding night, or which Tax
BRITISH Pastes contained a merest report. The
*silver was revived last night b Mr. GLADsTON E,
the Member for Lancaster, its answer to a q;,„,/„„
frosts whim', Mr. MANNING, the 1130111 k Director,
stated, that within the last tight or ten slays, during
which the rumour, that excited 140 much alarm,
had got Onion!, the Batik merctstitile discounts, to-
stead of bcing diminished. were ilierrissid to the
amount of about eight per cell!. Mid with respect
to the Bank of Englund notes, now in ciecula-
tion, he could state that they amounted to
about 15,000,000/.—heing 400.000/. snore thank
were in cuculstios, when the list return was made
to the littia,e, es December.—These rumours bey
Mg now exploded, it is suspected that the fall in
the fiends has beets its • great measure effected by
the management of some ge.at lierulators, one of
them sitil to have a capital of out leer than it soli-
Imo, also are enameuvring to beat duwit the Stooss,
lit coneenipl.ition tita Loan.

We lot. aidlanrissol 10 state, Owl 31r. llavalttrir voted
tiptop,' 11w .rant of 10,0001. per 71111. to the Duke tof Volta.
An loopiest teat had yesterday at the Lord
Tavesii, Eent-road, on the body of NI.. John Wolves., Mr. 7
dus,, the sou of Mr. 31eadowa, the mater of the roe. -
grouu.l in Woolwich saseoal, slot was, it is supposed.
tosehatocusly mordesed, whited, and liseown sato the runny
Canal, from whence the hods was taken, It so, in a fillkSt
shocking state float the etWeia of nouwis sod Wolk,.
'l'he nose was literally thirst) Into the flee, suponsetl to talp
fr a bludgeon. 'lle Inquest ass adjourned for a further
stegation.
A female decently ,Iresuirsi in black II on Sistolsy morn.
tag found snspruiled to a tree, is a Kllll4ll 111 the
It us wrongly ?toss's tied from variona cuinstaacea that oltr
unfortunate %suntan did nut commit the act herself, het
that she had been pr. venal). Yiraiszled, and then hoof op
by sonic person or pern.u.. Iler amine is Sarah Thorpe, sad
appears between thirty and forty yews of age.

FROM LASE NI(;111"X G.iZET7'E.
BANK I! U PTS.
Moses of Portent., Soutbanipton, merchant.
Daniel Crockett, of Huugliani, oi her sift Buffett', Koil,
tto.bcr.metchatit.
William Revell Vigers, of A iiNt i sari are, London, rnerch..tit
Cheats Fitzwilliatia Bell, of Clistle.sirtet, BeLltual-giern,
Thilillescx, victualler.
Abraham Knot, of Deptford, Kent, baler.
Alexander Dottie, of Li ."6.11 ut, maainr-raariaex.
.111011111 RS Pinkerton, of Nuneaton, IVarwick, and also ul
Rirellin-littse, Loudon, lorrcliatit.
Bctijamos Dpuii, of Doiirosaw, dialer in corn.
Williant Beer. of Plyinimill„ Devote. irountuuser.
Chat les Westwood, stow or late of !Plaint, tnesebtilit•
.(I)&sideads ()I'd Crrtigratts to-Ator:oil%)

LONDoN: Nutted sad Pubtithed at lilt OniCii, i 4111.1271
Strand; where Advertrinntrsts are rec.•ived, and I.tstare
(pfit.paid) must be ar:d,csord.—C Y!itITH, IV u.
(Irmenes Ina, wirer► 16.111,1 TE, ti• 07, 401104
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