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11 sion of the House he would shortly state wherein
he differed from the Ilutiourable and Learned
Member who had just sat down. lit 1813 he had
thought that the Catholics had better wait than ac-
cept a measure broken down by limitations such
ei were then proposed ; but iiow so far as his advice
to the Catholics wen., lie wished then to receive
with a kindly spirit whatever portion of tlwircialmil
their Protestant Brrtbrria miiclit be prepared to
allow. With a view to the utility of the measure,
it ought not iii lie forced ; hut he particularly de-
urecated any ground of further protraction beiorg
Laid by pressing for all at once. He agreed with
the Honourable mei Lest-lied Gentlemau that the
preservation of the church esiabli-Itmetit was '
a fundamental principle of the Constitution,
fir the preservation of winch it was rendered
for ever inherent iii the Crown. The flo-
wn:treble arid Learned Gentleman had truly
'stated, that the Union had merged for ever the
Protestent Church of Ireland with that of Englund.
He held it to he absurd and inadmissible to talk
of modifying the Pioiettrant Church of England
with reference to the Catholic population of he-
land ; that was a que.tion which was hap:pity
placed at rest for ever Iron parliamentary interfe-
rence. But the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
would agree with him, that it was out thing to esta-
blish a clitych, and sirorher to give that sort of qua-
Lfied endowment which the Clrrgy of the Church
of Scotland at this moment possessed, and which had
beet, extended to a brands of that kirk in Ireland.
The di.tinct difference between the Honourable and
Learned Member (Sir J. Nichol and himself was,
that he (Sir J. Nichol) argued as if. by some en-
chantment we had flout Protestant eaddeely be-
come Catholic, and ourromelrd the throne with Pe-
! gist Coungellora, laiwyers, ate. instead of looking at
it as essentially a Protestant country with a Protest-
ant Saveteigii. With respect to the Catholic po-
pulation, he granted that there were among them
Noblemen and Gentlemen of the highest character
and Intents, but that there should be such a pro-
portion as would create Monger as to Great
Britain alone, we', he thought, quite a chimencill
fear. The quest•ou was a question of degree only,
and if it were allowed that no danger would accrue
as to Great Britain, be would examine what would
be the case as to Ireland. We had got into a habit
of representing the Catholic population very differ-
ently from what it had used in be calculated at.
Dr. Duigertim had stated in his place, from an
authority which lie quoted, that there weie in Ire-
land 700,000 hatises, which, at six persons to a
house, give fur millions; het from u Inter and more
accurate computation, the Doctor estitnuted that in-
stead of x to a house, 5 was the proper proportion.
of which not above two iuillions were Catholic., Of
the real property, 49.50ih5, were possessed by Pro-
testente, suit 9-10ths of the personal property. The
Catholic freeholders were not near so numerous as
the Protestant. lie (Lord Castlereagh) had looked
tutu the Catholic influence as it regarded property,
end there were not above 14 or 15 pieces in which
Catholic influence could make itself very seriously
felt ; and in his conscience he believed, that if the
Bill should pass, not above five or six Catholics
would he returned ; end so far from a dangerous
Dumber, there would hardly as messy find their way
to that House as would be desirable for the Protest.
alit Ettablialinient to see there—because, if they had
dangerous designs, that House was the most advan-
tageous place iii which their minds could he ope-
rated upoie, and they would be a more useful me-
dium of communication with the Catholic body
than any other. He admitted thut proOrty might
hereafter follow the current of numbers. He
screed that would be growing, but it must be of
slow growth, and considering the quantity of coin-
till already accumulated by the Protestants, he
could not look to any disturbance of she propor-
tion of property wii.h any degree of alarm.—
He dill not pretend to say that the Roman Catholic
could fil all the offices of the State with the same
advantage as the Protestant could, but he thought
the question was, whether that might not safely be
left to Government—(lfear, hear, hear,)—and not
revolve that *tech was a question of selection into
one of excluaiou. lie tl l gilt it might with safety
be left to the Crown so long as the Crown, was Pro-
testant, stltich it must ever be; for he agreed with
the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Newport) that was
a case iii which the King was personally usponsible,
or rather his right to the Crown dial not rest if lie were
not Protestant. He did not anticipate any danger
from a Catholic of superior abilities making his,
way to the Bench till time had thrown his mantle
ever recetit events; he could hot conceive a situate
tion of greater responsibility than that of a person
so promoted ; ad eyes would be on bun. and he
would be more likely to discharge his duly in an
exemplary manner, than to exhibit any undue pre-
ference to those of his own religion : but this elan
might safely be left the Crown. Ile (Lord Castle-
reagh) carried the principle of nun-exemption ao
far, that tbe measure would have been more accept-
able to hint had it not contained • single exception ;
and though lie was ready to yield hits judgment to
what appeared to be the general wisleto &cure by en.
ectinetits rather than rely upon the natural sleet-soli
and fitness of things, lie considered it quite so.
perfluous to prohibit by Act of Parliament the
raising the Archbishop of Cwt. rhury to that dig.
nity from his Majesty's troops.—(A luargh )—The
Noble Lord ebortly reenpitulated his arguments,
and trusted that at least he had staled enough to
justify the vote lie should give, yet if the wisdom' of
Parliament should decide against his opinion, lie
!altisuld still hope the Catholics would receive that
Winch the Protestants were now prepared to give;
omit Nitre he war, that no Catholic would wish that to
be conceded to him which would endanger the Con-
raitution, which watched over Isis liberty and enjey-
itieuts in common with all other classts of the coin-
inunity.-11'he Noble Lord sat down amid loud
cheering.]
Sir JOHN NICHOL and Lord CASTLEILEAOH
mutually explaieed.
Mr. L[01( KECK defended the Petition which
he had prevented the other night, against the Bill,
from Leicester.
Mr. 11'11THERZLL supported the amendment of
Mr. Peel. - ..
Sir J. MacctuyetagLesid, in reference to the
Leicester Petition peeriessted by the lion. .Meneber
(Mr. L. Keck). it affirmed that the Catholics, jus-
tified mental reservutton, or in other word., per-
jury, He deprecated the using arguments on ge.
wet principles, uow that the Committee had

decided flail *email Catholics might be sd-
mitted. on giving every security Which oaths could
give, and iir short that there existed no difference
between the Roman Catholic and other Dissenter,.
They had now the exclusion of a Catho'ie King,
whirl) conk! not be a ground ft excluding Co.
thnite Ministers ; for why should they not huge
Crioliohc Privy C aellonr, when they were allow.
eel to sit in Parliament I If they did not, it would
he telling Parliament that they were
Contritel to the State—it %soffit! be r new method
of degrading Parliament. Ile always understood,
that It woSlilt before It Kiirg clime lii.
Cruiescil, to are that they were persons in both
Houses of Parliament, who bail the support or
port of each House. He would a•k„ if time *weird.
wol carried, would there not hr dritger to
the State itself by the exclusion. winch vtoottl only
tend to (Live a part of his Majesty's subjects to des-
peration, even a part of that House, if they were pro.
scritred from advantages which were (pro to their
fellows ? For his own part, according to his political
feelings, he would say that she amendment, deemed,
would he most useful, es it would introduce a new
set of Members to the House that cosild not be
swayed in their opinions by the holies of office. They
never could he charged with ratting. for they had
nothing to rat for. A. to Roman Catholics being
Judges, there cook! be no danger but that they
would attend the Established Church on Circuit,
Sec. as a form ; for Protestant Dissenters hail been
Judges, and they conformed to the rules of the
& tablished Church on such occasions, although on
other OrettolOnt they went to meeting. If the Right
Hon. Gentleman, the Member of Oxford, would
only take inter his consideration the number of
Catholic families who were bringing up their
children to the Bar, be would withdraw his
amendment, as it would he gising them the courro-
lati of knowing that if their offspring were
worthy, they might at some time preside over the
Court they practised in, it would be s soothing
to their feelinga and to those they hail il-pentl-
ing no them. There was one argilment which he.
longed to his own experience, that of the decorous
intercourse between the Bench end the Bar ; it was
not kept up by terror, but by young men of edu-
cation and talent coining to the Bur, who were
ready to submit to the Bench, because they ex-
pected on some day to be placed there. This
discipline was easy, it was dignified, and it was
silent; but if they took a part of that Bar,
and said to them that they should be excluded
from all benefits which were open to the other
part, that courteous discipline would no longer
coestinue.—(Hear, hear—" Question! question/1
_The Hmi. and Learned Member in conti iiii ati ~,,,
said, he was aware lie was trespassing on the pa.
tience of the Committee; lie was sorry for it, but
he hail a duty to perform which he was determined
should not go without being discharged. At the
Scotch Bar, there was not, in any country, • more
able set of men. but they had been for the host
thirty years excluded from the honours in their pro.
fission, although not debarred from them by the
Ire of the land, but from their unshaken political
principles. When he bald a judicial situation
in India, he lied to decide where all religious sects
were parties, and lie found that their reltgions tenets
never disturbed him in deciding according to
the law of the case ; and be was convinced it would
not have more effect on a Catholic Judge.
file. Batumi! said, that the Petition from the
Clergy of the Arclidesconry of Leicester contained
calumnies of such a itiognitude, that it ought not
to have been received ; brit it stated that the greater
part of the Cliristain world ought not to be believed
on their oath. As to Dr. Hayes, he could con-
firm every thing that was said relative to him by
his lion. Friend, as lie was at Rome at the time ;
' and within these three days lie had seen an order,
where Dr. Hayes was commanded to leave Rowe
in 24 hours, his conduct was so offensive to that
Court.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
Committee divided, when there appeared for Mr.
Peel'a amendment—
Ayes ....
Nue....

Majority against the Amen.lintel.. 19
Daring our absence Flom the Gallery we under-
strwmi Mr. iIEFI. u►nved an amendment, excluding
,Catlioli• s from the office of Lord Clislicellur in Ire-
land, which was carried without a di►ision.
Oii our re-admission we found Mr. Gout.sunit
on his legs, propooing an amendment to prevent
Homan Catholics from being Governors or ationi.
nistoilig the Government or any of his Majesty's
Colonies or foreign possessions.
Upon which the Committee divided, the num-
bers being—

Noe; llll
Ayes l2O

Majority against the Amendment .... 43
OA our retort, to the G 5111.41 we Wood the re-
maining CLUSrII of the Bill were agreed to.
Sir J. NEWPORT then moved, that the preamble
and chimes of the Intercourse with Rome Regu-
lation Bill be read. for the pinwale of incorporating
the seine with ihr former Bill.

Mr. C. 11. HUTCHISSON then rose, and begged
to remind the Cumnsitier that they were now pro.
cerding opine muter entirely dill. rent from that
which they had futile to hreil connitirriog. Heaving
acceded to it Bell of Cisneros-ion in the handsomest
manner possible, for which he lieg4ed their accept-
slice of his heartiest thimits, they were now called
on to consider whit ite must insist upon callisog a
Bill of Penalties. If at this late hour of the slight
has Bight Honourable Friend and the Committee
were detersiti..rd to proceed with this second matter.
he was ready to enter into it.— (erica of " Go on.")
lir repeated lie was ready to proceed, but he must
ray that lie hid nether the consideration of this
subject were postponed, unless the Committee felt
itself in a state to give him its serious attention.—
Repealed cries of " Go on ! go on !"j—Tbr Hon.
Member was these proceeding so state his objec-
nous to the restsictions inspiesed by the clauses of
this part of the 8011. when strong ayiespieems of
imminence nentifested themselves, which produced
a loud cry ..f Bar ! bar'--(.o on! go on !"
lot which the Huu. Member sat down.
Mr. M.. FrrFpFRALD then rose, and ouggeged
to iii9llight ti..o..Froront thnt.it wouht,he better to
bring time de•gisasion.. which related way tat dry
detail*, et a owlet War of the evening.
NSWPORT raid, that, however stattle bit

LONDON,
IVEDNESDIY, 111Aecii 28, MI.

The Committee on the Roman Catholic Relief
Rill was resumed Imo night. Mr. PEEL made his
promised motion for the exclusion of Catholics
frown the situations of Judges ■nd Privy Coun-
sellors. It was negatived by • majority of 19.
Mr. GouLeuates motion, to prohibit them from
filing the places of Governors in our foreign
Colonies, met with • more decided fate. It was
negatived by • majority of 43. While strangers
were excluded front the Gallery, we understand
Mr. PEEI. moved an amendment to exclude Catho-
lics from the office of Lord Chancellor of Ireland,
which was agreed to without a division.

_ .
11'e understand that in the event. of the Bill
being adopted by the Commons, Ministers do
not mean to seriously resist it in the Lords, because
if opposed there successfully, it would be brought
forward again in the Commons, and would thus
bring the two Houses constantly in collision on this
great national question.

The arrivals from Pails yesterday were in due
course, but the most important part of the contents
of the Journals had been anticipated by the intelli-
gence which we had previously received by express.
The Austrians, as it seems, were determined to
continue their march through the Abruzzi, in the
satisfied a;onfirleisce that either power or inclination
was wanted by the Neapolitans to offer them any
effectual opposition. General GerosaT was there-
fore resolved, at the date of the latest accounts, to
posh onwards for Suhiona ; hat there iv a homely
anal familiar saying about gu• sts " reckoning with-
out their hosts," which seems to apply properly to
the Austrians in this instance. They exult far
more in the unexpected SUN, ss of a few days'
march, without encountering opposition, than be.
comes them as veteran soldiers accustomed to cam-
paigns, and thence judge far to') rashly concerning
the disposition and ability of their antagonists.
They have not, in point of fact, as yet touched
upon the debrateuble ground which the Neapolitans
have chosen for the of trial
is not the advance of an invading army that proves
the conquest of at people resolved upon securing
their freedom. Every province of Spain witnessed
the presence of a victorious French army, but did
we therefore despair of the e ventual independence
of the Persiossida ? The march of the enemy was
like the progress of a ship through the waters, the
waves are displaced for a moment, but they in-
stantly return, and obliterate every trace of the yes-
sera course. During the war in Spain the French
army was always in an isolated state, end commanded
tin more territory than what it immediately occupied.
The people gave way as the French advanced, and '
returned to their usual tribulations when the place
was clear, or they hovered upon the march of the
invaders, cutting off their communications, destroy.
in; their resources, and murdering such of the un-
foitunate soldiers as chanced to straggle from the
mails body. The bulletins and dispatches proved
the rapid progress of the invading army, amid the
triumph of their march was celebrated by dis-
charges of cannon and the singing of Te Deism
in every town of France ; but every step in advance
was an aggravation of the evils they endured, and
the victorious army had on each siiceesrive day less
and less cause to exult in its triomplis. The de-
files and passes iu the Abruzzi offer as many obsta.
clef to a retreating army as to one advancing, and
we trust that the time is not fur distant when the
Austrian General will have cause to experience
these difficulties : lie might then find how much
more easy it is to invade a country than to escape
from a gallant and irritated people. %Viten the
chivalrous Faamets was consulting with his Gene-
rals about the best means of transporting his troops
into Italy, he was well arltuontslial by his jester to
66 consider rather how lee should briug them
backs"

Grne►al HIMONT, nq we stated yesterday, had
his head•gnsrtrr. e•tubliahrd on the Will of this

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