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tion on those heads, did Noble Lords deem it nee
cessary.
Lord AUCKLAND resumed. He contended .
for the propriety of having an account of throisurn-
her and value of Livings in the Rift of the different
Colleges, as some of those it might be desirable so-.
augment. The state of their respeaive Mode
should also be known. One general ruie cool] not
properly b' laid down for the whole. The means
of some Colleges for providing for its Members may
he more than sufficient ; of others, they may be in-
adequate. It was a sulmjea on which they should
not proceed to legislate blindly. It may, however,
be desirable to go into a Committee on the Bill; as
that detailed mode of discu;sion may at least give
them an idea of the precise nature of the necessary
;arm-motion.
Lord GRENVILLE in some degree agreed with
the Noble Lord who spoke last, in deern;ng that the
House WAS not possessed of sufficient information
he thought it, however, better to proceed pith the
Bill, and endow to get the necessary informs. --
tiers. than to postpone the measure to an indefinite
_period, without the least eniteritty of procuring the
necessary tuformation. It would be preferable to
go into the Committee, to ascertain thepteciee nee
tore of the information wanted, and adopt measures
to obtain it. The measure before the House was,
he contended, brought forward on adequate parlia-
mentary grounds. The real merits of the Bill, '
as it then stood, resolved into this question, di.,
there or net now exist sufficient grounds for con-
tinuing the restriction ? With respea to the appre-
hension of a rapid secession, he thought those
persons who so worthily presided in the different
colleges would take care to prevent that ; but he
was inclined, upon the whole, to credit the asser-
tion that the present socession to the College Liv-
ings was too slow, and in considering this part
of the subjea, the peculiarly strong claims of those
who were to he ameliorated by the Bill, should be
attended to. The qu:stion under consideration was.
not of figures or of numerical calculation, but of
reasoning, feeling, and presumption. With teepea
to that salutary and beneficial conneaion which sub-
sisted between the property of the laity, and the reli-
gious establishments or the country, did he perceive
the least tendency in the Bill to militate against
the measure; but with a most Reverend Preate
(the Primate), he thought it would have a contrary
tendency. He had no tears on •that head, for even
Aid too great an accumulation of advowsont, us too
rapid a succession ensue, the legislature might here-
after interpose and check it, as %Chad already done.
Many of the arguments of a Noble Viicoont, her
contended, operated for, iestead of against geing in-
to a Committee. The restriction. at present, he ar-
gued, operated unjustly, it referred merely to the
number of the advowsuns, without in the least con.
:Lurin their respotive value. This part of an
amelioration of the present system could but he'eon:
sidered in a Committee, in favour of which proceed,
ing, every thing advanced in organism, that slight,
decidedly tended.
Lord Viscount SIDMOUTII explained, that
what he had said was, that there was no proof
brolight forward of the succession being too slow.
Lord AUCKLAND contended that where a
grievance was alleged, it should be established in
proof ; the case in the present instance was one of
evidence and fad, an adequate proof ought to be
given.
The Bishop of LONDON argued in favour of
the measure, and urged the consideration of such a
Bill as the present in a Committee, as p.articulorly
necessary. Adverting to the general state of co-
rochial establishments ; he lamented there were so
few parish churches in the western parts of the me,
tropolis. Most of the chapels of ease were pi ivete
property, and afforded no accommodation for the
lower orders of the people, and what was the con-
sequence ? these persons either went to no church at
all, or were constrained to frequent places of wor-
s!lip different from those of the established religion.
He trusted these matters would be seriously con-
sidered by the Legislature, and taken up at some
future period, and also the consideration of the num-
ber of small and inadequate livings, and the im-
praaicability of clerical residence in many of these.
The Bishop of ST. ASAPHcontendesi, :hat every
thing that was advanced, were reasons for going
into a Committee on the Bill; they were in posses.
session of adequate information, in order to pro.
teed with the WI ; and the Legislature, when it
originally laid on the restriaion, seas rot informed,
as his Noblti Friend opposite contended the House
should have been, or the proportion of the numbers
allotted would be very different; he had no fears of
too rapid a successim ever taking place ; the Col-
leges had not the moms of affording an opportu-
nity for that ; but, he observe 4, that the patron-
age of the Universities was always honourably and
beneficially exercised.
The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed with a
Noble Baron, who had spoken in the debate. that
• the question before them was rather one e! geneial
reasoning, then proceeding upon particular infor-
mation. The original rrstricsion did not appear
founded on the stets ot the respative colleges, t r
the pronottion would be very differ:- t. IS ad-
vancing this, he meant not the slightest ',fleet:en
on the name of that great and venerable cite-
roaer who proposed it, whose .name verte'd be so-
notinbered as long its the law of Engleni continu
to be known. That his position 'WAS well landed.
would clearly appear on competing the allotted
number allying., via. one halt ot that of the to.
loses of colleges in the untversi7ies„ with the staisol
number of persons in each cetisege caoaele
of being so beneficed. Sonde of these (Toter-
ring, for example, to that se'ticit he had the ho.
nour to belong) had the entire number of th:ir
fellowt ecclesiastics, whereas others but Opt ho
their number clerical men. If rw, Cutter' ve.' coked
the alfoture proput ti.ll of 0;1,,,, •1104..., apply 4.1421,1,
or justly to !moult ? '
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