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_sleeted toll the iectuvelimenc'e the Fix!
seemed, howeVer, to be the wish of the I
to come to any pledge upon the eubject dur:eg this
9es4loii, he should consent to withdrew his preseut
motion, pledging liiiiiself to bring it for a are! in
another shape during next Sessmii.
The: motion Was act otaliiigly aithelracu Icy con-
sent.
AMERICA.
Lord 11. PETTY, in consequence of his previous
notice, ruse to move fur the production of some
eilelitioisol papers relative to America. There could
be no tics lrt that the instructions sent mit from
this country aria to obtain a It.oTnial and &Atoll
recognitem, by Aineries, of what was therein set
forth ; hut, he contended, that no complete nor
satisfactory inforinetiou coold be procured, our
judgment formed, as to the transactienis that had
takeu place between this country and America,
miles. the House were in possession' of two farther
documents. These were, the instructions sect out to
Mr.Erskine,upoit the subjert of the attack upon the
Chesapeake.'and the disputa' seta by Mr. Er..kiiie,
routai...ng no account of the negocietion that had
testes plieee:tietereen hint and the America's Secriv-I
tire. The a hole of the letters produced referre',
to those instructions, and the steps faro a, to dig
Chesapeake, arid therefore these documents evil
absolutely necessory, in order to turns a pied:Aleut
the so hjeet. They should also be pii; iii pos-
session of any. verb"' eonrrnulicaliorts that Lad
bikini piece between '.'.klr..Erskiiie um! the Amen-
ran Gaveriiiilent, in order to know v.
am:toilet! Mr. Erskine in negociatingos it apoeans hr
Lad thane. The points in questiomi 'tooter to have eiri-
giaated with theAtnerican Government lushes and yet
they were wholly withdrawn from public vie.v. It was
atm.!, proper to know to what extent the American
Goveruairtat were willing to ; fur be (amid ter.
tinily &metier a case in which the American (;o-
irtermient, although nut making a distinct recogni-
tion of 'points referred to them, inigrit by theii an-
swore be renewing a pledge they had formerly given,
ng certain condinons were complied with.
e,..talso necessary to know how far Mr. Erskine
had departed from the instructions sent him. The
Noble Lord then concluded with proposing his first
motion, which was—. 4 That there be laid befirre
the House, a copy of the instructions sent to Mr.
Erskine, as to the attack upon the Chesapeake."
Mr. Secretary Ca Nat mu answered, that it was
perfectly true these papers, already upon the
Table, must be coitsidered'es extremely unperfeet,
were they to be considered as having been pro-
duced for the purpose of g;ving a connected view
or history of the nature and circumstances of the
transactions to which they related. Althongh
ur eolietirred In their production. yet it did not
follow that he should concur in the production of
those now sought. He had upon the former occa-
sion taken the liberty of stating, that Goveru-
'tient had no intentain of taking the seine of Par-
haineat at presr..t upon tire state of this country
and America. nor upon the propriety or impro..
witty of Mr. Erskine's conduct in the ergot:is:Moil.
It was at present sufficient that Porliumeut and the
country knew that the arrangement proposed in
those instructions had not been carried into effect.
without being yet 'made acquainted with the sim-
ple fait, how fur :eat,. arrieeteiiierit might be yet
emidocied to a more satisfactory isaute. lie war
sore that the Noble Lord wind.) not call for
tntur-
'natinll, when he was aware that it Mild net be
glees' without injury. The papers already Pro-
duce-1, nearly laid the matter at rest; although there
might be another question, as to what were the
h st miens of repairing the error into which Mr.
Erskine had inadvertently fallen. The agreement
conned into by Mr. Erskine and the Atnericuis
Gower 1111 l eilt, had been disavowed by His Majesty's'
Governineut, upon the ground that it was made
without instructions. No 'verbal airsuralices that
might have been gireu could juatify the propo-
sal of such an agreement. Mr. Erskine was in-
structed to obtain the concession of three pointr„
previous to a revocetioo of the Orders in Conned ;
but not one of those points was gained in the
agreement he had made. The Maui point was, the
revocation of the American Orders as to Great-
Ilsitaiii, and keeping them in force as to France ;
but not even that -indispensable object had been ob-
tained ; nor was it granted that Great Britain was
to execute the Americium laws as to France, to pre-
vent the trade of iieutrale with our enemy, although
licked it was rather a matter of courtesy than any
thrug else, to make this subject a matter of agree-
tit, ies we might have carried that intro etiiet
wi.liout any stipulution whatever. Neither was the
as to the trade to our enemy's colonies
Nerved t0..--What was required to be principally
attended ter was. the weal of the Non-laterconrse
and Non-liiiportetioii Acts, at the seine time that
Americo' was to bind herself to continue these Acts
ie force as to Frainee,toubviate the effectsof the Ber.
lin decree. No part adult waist was granted by Mr.
Madison,. The Non-lidereom se Act aas to be
allowed to expire, as to France, without any price
being pad fur it at all ; while wr were to pry all
the price, with t deriving any benefit. Weir it to
he supposed. astreferr. that we should withdraw
our measures all of u iuddrn, with regent to
Erman., leering America at liberty to withdraw
her orders iii regard to us when she 'Avesta! ?
Ali/Mier wild was worthy of remark: when our
Government sent out an order to make repara-
tion for the attack upon the Chesapeake, I% halo
they had always bee ii disposed to du, without
any pin-tide of the fear of shame; the oily
comas-ant Mr. Rose was desired to oloain was a
revail of the proclamation of the Coned States. to
allow our ships there to ruler their rivers while
those of France Were most tO be admitted; but that
was refused, •iiiel the wegoeirtion WIN put an end
to. This was ishiewilig a decided partiality, on the
pert of America, towards Frame, as all iirequality
Was thereby to he done sway. This enlinrvy
Inure cavilled 1111011 that ground but instead of
doing so, we retieweil our offer of reparat fur
the Chesapeake. flow graciunolv it was received;
and how far the fool, to recisociletiiiflit was made
easy or smooth, or strewed firer wilt floe ere, any
Englishmen, who hied road the notes sheen fly pros
dewed, would be capable of judging. //tsar I
Afar 'I All the toncrereon that was reposed by
America to be made to us, was a renal of the pro-
clionerion •:x weeks wooer thou in regard ti.Frallee;
as the noir intercourse act expired on the lyth.Mily,
and the ohe measure would merge into the other.

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For this short preferenee we were to pay the
ail total recal of our Orders in Council, both to
re gaol to America and France, although the latter
power was nut recalling her decrees. By that
agreemelit we were to be placed in e a orse situation
then France. If this agreement had been made
and transmitted by the instructium of Governs
incur, there worth] not hive been the slightest
vi.!.tion as to any public discloaure of .it ; but
when it was seat, they had no power to alter ur
amend it : they must either have sanctioned or ken
fused to adopt it. They were justified in refitidne
to adopt it, 'as it lied been concluded withodi in-
structious, mild it was owing to a contrary user-
. bon having beers made. that it appeared to him
' necessary to produce. the instructions now
' upend the Table. It was het necessary that 'the
House should ku or all the' moditleolftpits of" the
tiausaction, that might yet lead to an s'inic7iiiltae-
cutuunelation. Mien it was contended that the
pruhibitory decree, of Ainei ice should •1: sit only con.
time we to fra'net, but' also in • rega..d•to those
l'oeteis wider her tintriediet- infitasneet'atici tirtino
Lippe French Decree., it w:l4 segufErby
rice, thatsilollatel sea. out outlet that prirelicitiatept.
Items emiteroled, abet of all, that Hedlund waiilys
intlependelit ower..;lt aas, she iteted voloideirite
aipmi the French Recreesiiiid might to be Vhnish. -
vol.' When that plea' Merl, it was next Coe-
tended, thst Hollariel„ if sbe wine a tlVlWUlialat
power, had Ireser.forsteet-toe net ancient he Freud' '
Deerees, end' theeefore stinglit to meet with
nor coininleeration.- lf, &sneerer, Holland be
a dependent power, their she mild all ether
cosintrsm in a braider situ-.tine mint share the fait
of that dependence. If she Ise independent, then
she has made aa..e of the seine decrees that Fruece '
het adopted, and is therefore entitled. to tierhet.
ter treatment them Frame is entitled to at rite
heeds. There was au intimation 'undo to Mr.
Erskine, that Holland should br esempterf, tor en
independent pooeri but its to Italy, there was went
doubt expressed. Upon the wholes it appevt d In
Liovernment, that elide Mr. Erskine had gone to
the fullest extent of the concessiem he was (leaked
to make, he had not obtained any one of the con-
ditions upon which they were to be grenCer. iie
meant noticing harsh in regard to !lir: Erskine,
when he said, that these Marie:firms would after-
wards be prodiscible to compare with the assertioin
now made, a. to their not having been compiled
with. It elms not follow tliat this Was the periel
either fur condemning or !e:fetieling a Minister who
has been the author of tint negociation, so conduct-
sal mid broken off. Before conclusliag his Mow/.
yittione, he must however be atlowecho say, that in
his opetion the note from Mr. Smith, the Attivricau
Secreravy, to Mr. Erskine, was one which no Mi-
-1 Meter. bearine the King's commission, should have
accepted. He should only further add, that lie
could assure the Noble Lord and the noose. that '
it prove prejudicial to the futurepruceediu_a
ne„recintion, were any additioune pipets now pro-
duced.
Mr. !Meets defended the conduct of Mr. Ers-
kine ; aid stated as hi. reason for abetaining from
the reply that he tuight otherwise beinelined to
give, the tendency such a di-eussion might hose
to interfere with the relations of peace unit amity
beta eeu the two countries.
,A;1". Caw Nista explained.
Mr. M.4I4I:VATT was Of opinion, thetdi e affair Of
the Chesopeuke had nothing to eo with eittestio.i..
Mr. livaixer was of upiaion, foam the face of
the trinetetions, that the Mtaister in America hail
obtained substantially from the American Covert's'
went all that was required. lie tliou4lit it would
be as, great injustice to Mr. Erskine to proceed any
further until mitt Sessiote when more documents
could with propriety be produced.
Mr. STreue.s.s thutiglil all along that America
frail no disposition he act with impartiality between
this country and Fiance. Time honour of Great
Britain should be viatliceted. He concluded with
declariag his determiliation to oppoce the motion.
Lord 11. PETTY said, that he felt disposed, ever
since he had heard that the production of the pa-
pers lie had tuna eil for was likely to it' ere with
the proivess of the iiegociatiom to *Whew his
motion. Ile would be far from interfering with
any peudiug negociation, of the exiiteuee of which
he was happy to hear ; he therefore had no 'made-
Lion to withdrew it. It was accordingly withdrawn.
SINECURE PLACES.
Lord OsstasTor:, after saute discussion on the
point of order, ititrodured a resolution, which.he
prefaced with a speech, in so low a voice, that it
could not be heard in the gallery. Ills resolution
was, " That it was the opinion of the House,
that the existence of sinecure offices, and of
offices discharged by deputy, was unnecessary, and
inexpedient for the remuneration of pnblic setvices,
and that impious granted far more than one lite
might be appropriated to alithe purposes to which
sinecure pieces were applied. Trutt the fleets,: 111
consequence would hike into its concateratioa the
anal °lberia, early in the next session." It was nega-
tived without is division.
DILL FOR PUCVENTINeI CRUELTY TO ANIMALS.
4_ll, the question, that the Speaker should leave
the Mae,
Mr. Wixom's. ruse. lie and, that one objec-
tine to the Bill was, that the subject acne not of
culiiciriat importance to call for en set ef the Legise
hitter-, eiapeei c`ly for an act of sio sow * mature.
The Bill wee usher.ei in with a most magniticetit
whereas;' the subject indeed was calculated to
admit it : fur when they came to consider the ob-
jects it siutireced, and the ditty it enforced, they
would nee that there was an ample field for display.
It was inteeded hi, enforce sympathy for the suffer-
lags in whet-, which might be looked upon as the
tonititattim of the moral virtues. Perhaps a better
dehtsitirm route, not be given of such virtues, time a
desi e to promote the happiness of ell ; that desire
should iit4 be directed toour owe) parte:filar species,
but ter every other creature. Too lively a sym-
pathy in the aufferinga, even of our own species,
was not, however, to be ermostraged, ..crimp, it was
not to he feared. If it wes indulged, it would de-
stroy all the happiness the world. That it we.
right to treat all animals with bieruatrity he snowed.
bet that that humanity should lie ear:owed by as
act of le gieletime he 'weer arosild .ig,,ee to. It wee
one of the imperfect obligatioeti eif which moral
writers spoke; au obligatimi imp, etre!, not as it
Was rel. bilYlillg, buts, it ow. mvee .lAi-mit to be
tuft:weed. They could not eufuice of groi