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subject. He wished to know whether tx rot bower Canada had,
paid to Upper Canada the money which was owing to her. The
present was one of those eases, in which the more that was given
the more would he asked foe. These Colonies were decidedly a
load no England ; because to support them a greater cum was paid
for bad tinnier titan good could be got for. Ile did trot talk of se-
paration at the present moment, but lie was certain they were a
horthen to the country. He objected also to nettling persons to
the Colonies, whom the l'olonies did not want. Coder these cir-
cumstances, although he regretted the trouble he should give the
Committee, he thought it his duty to divide the House, to see how
many persons supported hint.
Dr. LUSHINGTON could rot vote with the lion. Member
who had just sat down. If it were conceived that the sum ex-
pended on these Colonies was unnecessary, he thought it should be
submitted to a Committee above stairs, as the only means of
coining to a satisfactory decision. Ile was sure that the Colonial
Secretary could not now be ready with all the necessary documents.
He (Dr. Lushington) happened to know something of Upper
Canada, from circumstances which it was now unimportant to
notice, and he knew that the Legislation of the country was in a
wretched state, from the nature and itaucity of its inhabitants, the
many new settlers, the extent of the Country. and the feuds which
had arisen in consequence of the settlers from Hudson's Bay.
Upper Canada, therefore, could not support itself; but he hoped
the time would come when any assistance would be unnecessary on
the part of the Mother Country. A question had been started as
to wont would become of Upper Canada, in ease of another war
with the United States; and this was a subject which his Majesty's
3linisters shmild take into their most serious consideration.

Mr. 1.1. RENNET hoped his Hon. Ftiend (Mr. Hume) would
not press the House to a division.
31r. 11U31E observed. that his Hon. Friend (Dr. Lashinston)
had mistaken his motion. He did not wish to impede justice in
those Colonies, but he thought they might sacrifice other offices
for this object. He would not, however, press the House to a

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The Resolution was then agreed to.
Mn W. HORTON next proposed 9,1971 for defraying the ex-
pense of the Civil Establishment of Nova Scotia.
Mr. G. KENNET objected to the expense of the Church
Establishment of Nova Scotia., when so great a portion of the in-
labitants were Calvinists. The Calvinist ministers did their duties
on much cheaper terms than those of the Established Church.
Mr. HORTON observed, it was probable that part of this
charge would be progressively taken off by Nova Scotia, but that
if the vots were now resisted, it would be of great injury to the
Colony.
Mr. Ht. 711111 hoped the Honourable Member would state what
was the amount of the Colony's trade. Ile thought it a shame that
his Majesty's Ministers did not allow the Nova Scalene themselves
to pay the sum. He did not wish to reduce the salary of the Lieu-
tenant-Governor, who, he understood, was a useful person ; but he
conceived that the colony ought to pay him. He hoped the Ho-
nourable Member would lay before the liaise the account
of the trade of Halifax alone, that the House might see how far
the colony could do this.
Mr. NORTON stated, in the year 1821, the imposts were
31,0081. ; in 1822, about the same sum, and, in 1823, they were
29 7001. That the exports were, in 1821, 15b,8591. ; in 1822,
120,8561. ; and in 182 3, 1/4.2011. Ile would assure the Hon.
Member that he had every anxiety to reduce the amount now ap-
plied for.
Mr. Hti3lE was glad to find there was such a disposition ; but
the House should recollect that the colonies in the West Indies
were under very unfair restrictions for the purpose of serving these
colonies. If there were any question of intpnnance to the West
India proprietors (who appeared to kr.ow but little of their own
affairs), it war the circumstances under which they were placed in
order to serve this ill-favoured brat ; and he (Mr. Hume) thought
it would be better to give up this colony altogether than to allow
this. As the Hon. Member (Mr. Horton) had expressed • hope of
not seeing this resolution again mimed to the House, he (Mr.
Hume) should refrain from making further remarks.
The resolution was agreed to.
Mr. HORTON then proposed 5,1941. for defraying the expense
of the Civil Establishment at New Brunswick:

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Mr. HUME observed, that a memorial had been sent from this
colony to his Majesty's Government to this effect :—" You vote us
annually a considerable sum ; but let us have the management of
our custom-house, and we will save you that sum." The expense
incurred by that Custom-house was 6,0001. per annum, and the ap-
plication was to save this. He (Mr. Hume) thought that this
should be particularly inquired into.
Mr. HORTON observed, that he hoped to see this expense con-
siderably diminished next year.
The resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. HORTON next proposed the sum of 3,31 ft for derri
the expense of the Civil Establishment of Prince Edward's Island.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether any account of the sale of
lands in this Island had been laid before the House. He under-
stood it was able to defray us expenses, and he was quite satisfied
it could be made to do so. He hoped it would be the last time
that this proposal would be laid before the House.
The resolution was agreed to.
Mr. HORTON then proposed 15,2911. for defraying the ex-
pense of the Civil Establishment of New South Wales.
Mr. H. G. BENNET shortly opposed the gram.
Mr. HUME thought that a considerable reduction in the civil
expenses had been supposed to have taken place since the appoint-
ment of the new Governor. He (Mr. Hume) wished to know what
reduction had taken place within the last two years ?
Mr. HORTON thought that in a short time this colony would
be able to pay its own expenses.
Resolution agreed to.
Mr. HORTON then proposed 22,5011. for defraying the ex-1
perms of the Civil Establishment of Sierra Leone.
Mr. HUME wished to know what advantage was derived from
this establishment, and whether any papers had been laid before
the House, to show that its utility was equal to its expense. He
understood that the loss of lives in this colony was very great, and
thought that his Majesty's Ministers should take this into their
consideration.

Mr. GORTON observed, that the Honourable Gentleman must
be aware that it was impossible now to enter into the subject, or to
discuss it at the present time. It must be considered with reference
to the system which had been adopted, and not to the question
now before the Committee. . _ .

--il;7llliiii:;iiLiea, were there any means to satisfy the
public mind ?
Mr. HORTON said, that no doubt such information would be
laid before the House.

A MEMBER, whom name we could not learn, objected to the
salary which was paid to the Private Secretary.
Mr. HORTON said that the salary of 2,0001. a year might be
considered agreat sum here, but was not so there, and certainly was
not inadequate to the duties performed.
The resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. HORTON next pmposed 4,8311. to defray the expanse of
the Civil Establishment of Newfoundland.

Mr. HUME was sure that this expense could be borne out of
the revenues of Newfoundland. He thought the House ought not
to vote the sum until documents were laid before the House to
prove the necessity of granting it.
The resolution was withdrawn.
Mr. HORTON next proposed 43.9266 for defraying thee:paws
of the Civil Establishment on the Gold Coast.

The resolution was agreed to.
Mr. HORTON next proposed 9,11271. for defraying the ex-
penses of the Civil Establishment of the Bermudas.—Agreed to.
On the vote for 150.000 L for bills drawn and to be drawn for
civil contingencies at New South Wales.
Mr. HUME said he did not understand the mixed nature of these
accounts. _ .

Mr. IV. HORTON gave an explanation, which was not audible
in the gallery.
The revolution was then agreed to.
The next vote was for 2,4111. for colonial services, formerly paid
out of the army ex traordinaries.
31r. HUM E said this was a vote he had not expected to see pro-
posed again : it consisted. principally of the salaries of the private
secretaries of governors in the West Indies. The island of Do-
minica was considered to be too small to pay its own Chief Justice ' •
bat it was not considered too small to have a private Secretary farl
its Governor, who was allowed 1,6001. a year salary. He under-
stood
that there were large fees received by these Secretaries. He
thought, therefore, the people of England ought to be relieved
from this vote. He begged to ask the Honourable Secretary, what
was the income received by these Private Secretaries in fees and co-
lonial allowances ?

Mr. W. HORTON std the Private Secretaries received no fees
whatever ; their salary was 10a. a day. At no time was their ser-
vices *ore valuable or imetusitry than at present.
Mr. HUME said he would resist the vote until he knew what
necessity there was to have both public and private secretaries in
these small islands.
Mr. W. HORTON said that ar.y gentleman in the slightest de-
conversant with official business, would understand the abso-
lute necessity of a Private Secretary for the Governors in question.
After a few words from Mr. G. BxxxET Mr. Got:Lava x,
Mr. 111'31E moved that the vote be reduced by the sum of
1,8221., being the amount of the salaries of the Private Secretaries.
Ile would not move the reduction of the remaining sum ot• 6291. the
salary of the Superintendent of Honduras, because he was not aware
that that was a useless ofiice.
Mr. G. BEN NET hoped his Hon. Friend would take the sense
of the Committee.
Strangers were then ordered to widulraw, and the Committee
divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment, 21—Against it, 93—Majority, 72.
The original resolution was then agreed to.
The next vote was for 15,5321. to defray the charges of the So-
ciety for Propagating the Gospel in Canada, Nova Scotia, and
Newfoundland.
Mr. 111'31E said, he had objected last yea► to this vote, and he
had staved two strong instances of mismanagement on the part of
this Society. One was, that in Ifilll they had stated in thew an-
nual report that they had expended 1,5003. (we believe) in building
a school in Newfoundland. In 1819 they stated that the school was
built and scholars receiving their education within its walls. In
1820 these reports reached Newfoundland, and they were flatly con-
tradicted, fur it appeared that there was neither school nor scholar
in existence. The Society admitted the fact, and laid the blame
on their Secretary, who they said had committed a mistake. The
other fact was, that the people of Newfoundland had resolved not
to lend their churches to the agents of this Society. He understood
that it was also gene:-31y believed that the money expended in Up.l
per and Lower Canada was misapplied. Wu the Committee awai e
of the composition and funds of this Society 1 It consisted of seve-
ral hundred Prelates and Dignitaries who subscribed amongst them
only the sum of 6051. to which the tountry was called upon to add
the large vote now proposed. The expenses of the Society's office
in London amounted to as much as this subscription. He doubted
the propriety 'of such aid. as these under any circumstances.
if religious instruction was desired by the people of Nova Scotia,