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subject, and he wee persuaded it wes the wish of
oineteen.twentieths of them that the matter-shoild
be set at rest without farther persecution"of the
Queen...Wines/row the Oppotitionj—lmit 'at the
"erne time that her Majesty should not'enjtry 'say
triumph. But soother thing was, that people *me
sibliged to consider whet would have been the case:
sequences of that vote to which allasion hnl beat
-made. If the decide& bad beat dearest -Val
whet it woe. the coeseqeence would have been the
removal of the pretest Ministry, and the huredise.
teas of Misers in *lir piece. And he put it to the
Gentlemen opposite themselves whether they did
not iieow—.whether 'they did not admit out if
doors that the country did tint pat coufidenee in
any other men • sod though he was aware that Mt-
philtre had suffered 'considerably iu the opinion 61
the patios for seine time past, still that feeling had
Hot arrived to the•poiut that they would be wilkag
to place confidence iu another set of men.
Mr. Be oseerseid, that the Hon. Gentleallitette
had sat down enlist, with his good sense, hare"
nerved that the feelings of attachment to the Crier'
stitatims in the nation had been greatly @When bi •
the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers, and whet
✓aster injury could be done to the nation by any
set of Moistest? Ile expressed at some length
• opinion, that the language held by Mr.
Wortley, respecting • change of Administration,
was a grail calumny on the people ; and said, *lt
if this House did not, in 'the coarse of the Sakes.,
✓epress its opinion in sympathy with that of the,
whole icouotry on the degrading miter, of tole
transactions of the last yew' 'ist the 'case elt I
Qawit, it would have don* more to lower Its As.
racier. and advance a Reform. than had been-deee
by all •the speeches of all the deutagope, se et
the day. .
Sir H. Witsox agreed with the Hon. °cadets'
man opposite (Mr. Wortley), that nineteetie •
twentieths of the people of this country were
anxious to have the differences awl discussions is.
opectisig her Majesty set A rest. The Hon. Gentle.
man had spoken of a triumph, 'but where there was
no resistance there could be no triumph. He was
confident that the Noble Lord opposite (Lewd
Castlereagh) and his colleagues had too mash
truth and justice, if called upon, not to ofrethet.
the restoration of the Queen's name to the Liturgy
was a point which *meld have been conceded, aiy
had been conceded, 'had they not opposed it. He
wasfor doing justice to high and low, and putting
the sadale on the right horse. and besides for in-
forming Members of this House. that when they
soled against the restoration of her Majesty's tome
they were not to suppose themselves doirig what
was acceptable to any individual but the Members
of the Administration.
Mr. Illurrsawoasit said that he should consider
to leave forfeited all character whatever for
independence, if, in approving or disapproving any
stiessore, he were determined not by the nature of
'such measure, but formed his opinion in reference
'to men. He had voted the other night for the in.
*Aiken of her Majesty's name in the Liturgy, and
his reason for so doing was, that she bad leeete,
prayed for as Princess of Wales, and he considenell:
that her name when she became Queen hod bees:
-omitted uncoostetutiotrally and without trial. He
;treated the question as an ',street oneorsithout se.
ference to the guilt or innocence of her Majesty.
Sir Faexcis BLAKE SAJ, that he should do is
justice to his constituents and the country if he
did not openly apd manfully deliver his setiments—
if he slid not support every measure which had a
tendency to ameliorate the condition of the coon.
try. With some persona vaulty meant to honour •
the King by degrading his Consort.—(Cieers.).o.'
This was loyalty with a seogeunce !—(Leughiee,l
The exclusion of her Majesty's name from the Le.'
turgy was an impolitic, rash, arbitrary act, and
within the pate of the British constitution no arbitrary
act dare ester.—(Cheers.)—The Hon. Gent. then
commented on and censured the conduct of Alder.
man Ileygete iu reference to this proceeding. He
condemned the whole proceedings ss likely to
undermine the stability of the throne. As to the
question, what Ives best to be dune ? he should my,
in two swords, do justice—(Cheers.)—He thought
it depended on the Howe to have justice done;
and now lie called on the House to oppose eves .
measure which was contrary to justice. He they
quoted the recorded opinion or the House, that
farther proceedings against her Majesty would be
derogatory from the dignity of the crown, and joie.
rious to the best interests of the empire ;
,and called
on the House not to let the rights and privileges to
which her Majesty was legally esititleti to be for
another moment withheld.— (Cheers.)
Mr. Serjeant ONsLOW made a few eisseks,
condemnatory (as we understood) of the motives
supposed by Mr. Watley to have operated is pow
dyeing the vote of Saturday.
Mr. S. Womair explained. that he did ao4
weseu to decribe the motives which influenced ail*,
Member but himself only.
Mr. Serjeant Oxstow said, that he had given
his vote ou the occasion in question on the firmest
conviction that the act had been illegal.
Tete Petitions were then read. laid on the table,
and ordered to be primed.
Mr. DENISON presented a Petition, signed b 7
400 householders of the paris:: of St. Giles,
.Cans,
Wessell, praying the restoration of her Majetety'.
'same to the Liturgy, and the dismissal of his Moe
jetty's Ministers.
Sir T. E. WINNINOTON presented a Petition
from certain Inhabitants of Kidderiniuster, for the
reinsertion of her Majesty's mime in the Litt:egy.
The Loan ADVOCATs presented • similar Petie
tion Loin the Incorporated Trades of a serials ,
Scotch Burgh, the name of which we could
11111Wrr la O.
Mr. Bee esre presented a Petition of like ins
port front Stamford, its Lincolnshire, which he nn.
derslood was most respectably sword.
All the Petitions. were read, laid on the table, and
ordered to be printed.
ASSESSED TAXES.
On the motion of Mr. CUNWEN, accounts were
ordered of the Amount of Arrears of A•seseed Taxes
doe, and not collected till the Ist February, I eit ;
Also of she total' Amount of Assessed Taxes due
and not collected its the Cities of London and
Westminster. from the 1,1 January. 18,20, as far
at the same can be made out.
'fbe Cuim4ELLos of the EXciiSSUSS said

'few words on the difficulty (so we understood) of
snaking_ out the accounts.
Sir N. W. RIDILILY said. that oo Tuesday next
he should give • notice of • motion on the subject
of the Assessed Taxes. and also the composition for
'tile sans..
In reply to • question from the CUANCILLOS
-or the Excnitatisk the Han. 134ronet repeated.
'thst he should merely give notice on Tuesday.

AGRICULTURAL HORSES.
Mr. Cintwxn expressed a hope thin in the pre. '
not distressed state of the agricultural interests
the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Valuation) would
‘fitid means to take away ike duty on agricultural
horses altogether, for which he thought • better
substitute of • tee on some other article might be
devised.
The CHANCELLOR of the BICHSEL! IR could at
present hold out nu hope of removing the duty.
Mr. E. SMITH put some question to Lord Cas.
tlereagh, which was inaudible in the gallery, as
was also his Lordship's reply to it.
Sir R. WILSON wished to know from the Nobk
Lord what puttee had been token by Government,
and if any answer had been returned to a notice
forwarded to the English Court by the Austrian
Court, which had been mentioned in soother place,
and to which. therefore, he could not, by the forms of
the House, be allowed nanre•perticalerly to allode
Lord C•STI. ERIS OH replied in a few *ids,
'which were not distinctly heard.
Lord A. Il,tarLTOR gave notice of a mot ,VW
this day se'unigltt, for the production of copies • r
the Orders in Council fur the erasure of her Ma.
jesty's name from the Liturgy in Scotland. His
Lordship stated, that in consequence of the issuing
of thole Orders a clergymen in Scotland had been
put under tnihmey arrest, for pronouncing the
.Queen's name during the service. His Lordship
intimated his intention of moving for copies of all
the letters and papers connected with this subject.
Sir Gaciaas Aesop presented a Petition from
Lichfield: numerously and respectably signed,
preying for the restoration of her Majesty to all
tier rights and immunities as Queen of these realms.
A Member on the Ministerial side said, that he
had been requested to ',resent • protest against the
Petition and the proceedings in which it had origi-
nated. signed by 900 of the most respectable in-
habitants. He admitted that the Petition was re.
speciful and unexceptionable. The Petition pray-
ed the House to allow no further proceedings to be
urged against her Majesty, and to take steps to se-
cure the restoration of her tissue to the Liturgy.
He professed his aversion to the measure of omit-
ting her Majesty's statue originally ; and were that
measure now under contemplation. he should be
urinous to express the repugnance lie felt to it in
such a way as would give it the most effectual
opposition. •
Lord NuitorT presented • similar Petition from
Aylesbury. '
Mr. McKeon° gave the Petition his cordial
support.
Mr. BUTTERWORTH moved—
" Fur as 'wiriest of all Weekly Newspapers sold balsam
Saturday sad Saturday ; sad also of the aassal asseeas of
the Stamp Duties paid isle she Treasury fee the sass. far the
last twenty years, demises hibiag each me—Ordered.
Mr. ELLIs presented a Petition frets the Paper.
stainers of Dublin_, praying relief from the opera-
tient of the 45th Geo. 111. The HOY. Gentleman
also moved for Copies of the Accounts of Money.
expended within the Circular.rood of Dublin, in
consequence of the presentments of Grand Juries,
between the years 1507 and 11121, distinguishing
the parishes and years.—Ordered.
The lion. Gentleman also moved, seriatim. for a
variety of Parish Accounts. and others connected
with the Municipality of Dublin; which were all
ordered.
Dr. LUSHINGTON (while the accounts were being
. moved for) wished to know from the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman if lie had quitted the office.
concerning the incompstibility of which, with his
functions as u Member of Parliament. there had
• been considerable discussion in the House?
Mr. ELLIS replied that lie had not quitted the
office alluded to.
Dr. LUSHIN ETON immediately gave notice of a
motion fur the 41st of next mouth, for an humble
Address to be presented to his Majesty, preying
that he would be graciously phoned to remove the
Hon. and Learned Gentlemau from that office.
Sir W. Ilowtair presented Petitions from A afield
and Fmmliughans, in Suffolk, preying for the resto-
ration of her Majesty to all her rights, dignities, and
privileges. as fatten] Consort.
Mr. Duman presented a similar Petition from
the parish of Sutton, Ashfield, iti the county of
Nottingham. He could not help then thinking.
that if the Petitions flowing from all farts of the
country were fairly reprevented when laid before
the House (he dud. not wan from populous dis-
tricts like that which lie represented only, but
from such boroughs.. *were represented by the Noble
Lord and his colleagues opposite), they must pro-
duce a considerable effect on the minds of W-
aivers. He instanced a • Petition• which had been
presented by the Lord Advocate, which contained
a manly and candid exposition of the feeliugs cud
opinions of the Petitioners, of which his Lordship
had takes, no notice. lie wished to add one word
on the subject of the Liturgy. Ile complained of it as
an effort of the grossest teal most niquitifisble oppres-
sion. It was passing sentence on au ex-parte statement.
It was unjust even to the tribunal before which she
bed been charged. Many of those high person.
ages were disqualified. in consequence of that mea-
sure, from giving unbiassed omits(' ; but it
was most unjust to the Sovereign of these realms.
Standing as lie did in the 'dittos) of husband to
the 'ceased. he must have been led by this mea-
sure into • more willing concurrence in those pro-
ceedings, which bad been, by the lion. Member
for Yorkshire, designated as persecution. As to the
vaunting offer which Nlitesiers had made of under-
taking the responsibility of those proceeding., lie
did not comprehend the meaning of so graceless a
claim. Nobody had ever doubted their rerponsibi.
illy. When he heard this affected display of re-
sponsibility so frequently, be was led to suppose
that their intention was, that a most unjust respota.
*ability should rest elsewhere. He knew that in
point of legal formide the responsibility of origi-
nating criminal proceedings lay with the accuser ;
but in the present case, is, point of fact, they were
810 i at all responsible.. He hadefiteard with unit-
faction a pan of the Pottiest already granted.

There were lo)ae no further proceedings Instituted
against her Majesty. TM only ,poilat to be con-
ceded was that of the Limey, aa to which a great
degree of difficulty had been menteispi to exist.
He could not see soy difficulty, rig* as to the
voice of the canary. the lewd lw•priety of
the question. or the interests of religion. The
only difficulty in the case lay with Ministers.—
What WO/ to prevent on Address being carried
up to the Throne Mailer to that which
.had been
voted by the House of Lords in 1741, when
that House prayed for the restorstion of the
progeny. of the Prince of Wales, whose names had
been imprudently struck out of it by the councils
of those times.? It might be recollected that the
aniwer given, that the affair should be considered
in due time, was demurred to by their Lordships,
and that Lord Wilutingicia. undertook to assure
their Lordships that "due time" meant no more
thao time enough to determine on the order iu which
the names should be reinserted. If such were the
feeling of those times, not on account of any dan-
ger to the public peace, as at isretent, but from
motives of respect to the Royal Family, would the
House of Commons 'hew themselves lent indepen-
dent on the present oocostoes ?—The Honourable
Member presented a similar Petition from the offi-
cers and Members of the Amicable Society of the
Town and County of Nottingham. praying that the
House would withhold Ate supplies fur the year
Pistil her Majesty alsoold be pieced in the enjoy.
Meat of those rights auddignities to which her birth,
rank, and marriage, entitled her.
Mr. Jeavoiss presented a similar Petition from
Bradisig, in the Isle of Wight.
Sir R. HIROM moved for returns of all appoint-
ments to civil offices in the Cope of Good Hope,
the salaries of which amounted to 501. and upwards.
—Ordered.

Mr. Hintz gave notice of • motion for Friday
next, for the production of copies of the letters
Went, appointing the present and the late Presi.
dents of the Board of Control, together with the
wirrants for the salaiy of the said office.
The lion. Member presented • Petition from
Dundee. deploring the effects of the misconduct of
Ministers in the commercial and agricultural affairs
of the kingdom ; preying for the restoration of her
Majesty to her rights and immunities; and beseech-
ing the House nut to suffer the views of foreign
despots, seeking to title their people unconstitus
tumidly, to receive any bupport from the resources of
this kingdom. He begged leave to present a
Petition of a similar stature from the Weavers of
Leith, who had applied to the Hotiourable Mem-
ber for Edinburgh to present it fur them in fain,
at least so the Petitioners gives ban to under-
stand. If it were not so, the Hon. Member would
no doubt take that opportuoity of explaiuiag him.
2441.
Mr. DuanAs said, that he had no wish to refuse
to present the Petition. But two things had been
required of him by the rental:a-to present their
Petition, and to give it WI e support. He
• had presented one hundred Petitions optima his
own opinion, but he could not undertake to pre-
vent any which was accompanied by such condi-
tions. He thought that the Hon. Member was
much better able to eery* them as "lo the latter re.
' quest, and he bet a dpclined peeient-
ing
Mr. Hunt undertook t• assist the explanation of
the Hon. Member, br producing the application
which had been made to him. and the answer which
he had returned to it. The letter reqUested the
presentation of the Petition un us early a day as
possible; it then went on to say, that the Peti-
tioners would feel highly honoured if the- Hon.
Member would give it hie support.—.(Herse, hear.
from the Opposition.)—The answer was short:
" 1 can't present the Petition you sent me.
Should any proposal be made in the House to
restore her Majesty's flame to the Liturgy. I shall
oppose it."—(Hear, hew, hear.)—He left it to
the House to decide whether this was any thing
like the conditional refusal of au unconditional re-
quest.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. founts was quite willing to leave the
question to the House es the Hoot. Member pro.
posed.—( Hear, hear.)—He did not know the
meaning of the cheers. He wished they would
hear him instead. The Hon. Gentleman sought
to aid his cause by producing the communications,
but be had left it just where it was.—(Hear. hear,
from the Opposition.)—He had refused to present
the Petition. because he could uot aid it with the
eloquent address, polished language. and per-
suasive manner of the Hoot. Gentleman.—(Hews.)
Lord MILTON acknowledged himself to have
been one of the cheereis, and professed his astonish-
anent at the subsequent explanation. As it appear-
ed to his Lordship, nothing but the confidence with
which a man could contemplate his own conduct.
could reconcile two such instances of it, one with
another.
Mr. Dumps, end Lord —mILTON explained.
Sir H. FERGUsoir presented a similar Petition
from Kirkaldy. He commented on the character
of the meetings of public bodies in Scotland, and
meetings publicly called and held there. Ito Edin-
burgh, after a voiretingeareviutendcd by the Pro.
voila, there were 1,600 mantes attached to the Ad-
dress agreed on. At a public meeting in the same
place. there were 17,000 names inscribed to a
Petition to Parliament. The same thing happened
at Glasgow, the popular Address being signed by
18,000.
The LOaD ADVocATIC defendrd the meetings in
Scotland from which Loyal Addresses had ema-
nated.
• Mr. KENTitifir contended that such meetings
did not represent the voice .of the people of
Scotland.

Lord BiKNING defended the loyal meeting at
Edinburgh, as truly representing the views and
opi ii i tt of the people. lie ridiculed the other meet..
tug fur having been held in a theatre, sod said
that lie beard that the Petition contented names
which were algured over and over again.
Mr. J. I'. GIANT, as one of the requisitionists
for the public meeting, defended its proceedings,
and left the Howie to determine which, in • city
containing 110,000 inhabitants, was the document
which truly described the views of the people, that
which was sighed by one thousand six hundred. or
that which was signed by seventeen diamond persons.
When the Noble Lord said that a Declaration
adopted by about 130 gentlemen assembled toge-
ther is a toms, expressed the sentiments of the

county, he wa sure 'that the House sritad 'hit&
the Noble Lord had overrated their AlMaio. He
had himself attended at a meeting of dist county.
when not above thirty persons were mow. of
whom no► more than sixteen had any landed pro-
perty in the county; the rest were Justices and
Magistrates, not as in England selected from
among the gentlemen of large estate., sad possessed
of influence in the county, but who did nut own
or possess a single acre of land in the county.

Mr. ADERCROMBY expressed his surprise at
what had billet, from Ole Noble Lord opposite.—
He had received considerable information on this
subject. not front persons connected with the vide
of the House where he sat, but from persons whose
connexions, if they were sit all connected with
either party, lay on the other side; and from all
the information which he had received he could
take upon himself to guy, that if there were any
part of the kingdom where the opinion of the
people at large airs more decidedly hostile to the
proceedings against the Queen than in another,
it was tu Scotland. If any Gentleman wisined for
Mforination concerning the freeholders of Scotland.
be would recommend hint to lay out two shillings
End sixpence its the purchase of a Scotch Alma•
nack, a book about two-thirds the vise of the Red
Book, a few pages of which comprised the names
of all persons entitled to vote in the county elec-
tions of Scotland. To say that a ttletetittg .1 the
freeholders expressed the opinions of any county, or
that the county meetings expressed the opinions
of the people of Scotland, was ludicrous in the
extreme.

Sir G. W A RIBS DE It contended that the Addresses
were ir fair expression of the opinion of the people
of Scotland.

Mr. BROUGHAM mid he had no wish unneces-
eerily to prolong this conversation, but he could not
refrain from making some remark upon what had
fallen from the Honourable Baronet. The Hon.
Baronet seemed to assume that all the Addresses
which were sic.t opposed to the proceeding. against
the Queen, were actually in ti►vour of thern. Thus
he assumed that the Petition from Edinburgh, and
others from other places, approved of the conduct
of Ministers es regarded those proceedings, al.
though they never once mentioned them. He
wished the House to bent this in mind. because it
was material towards ascertaining the opinion
of the country. He had yet to learn from
what place auy Petition had been received that
epokcin favour of those proceedings. The Petitions
f►oO Scotland slid nothing at all about them.
He had but one word more to say. The Noble
Lord had said that the people of England were re-
turning to their senses. He thought it was not to
lie endured that the people of this country should
be told night after night that they were ont of their
senses, and that the people of Scotland were down-
right toad.—(Hear, hear.)—This was not the sort
of laugusge which should be applied to the people
•f a nation like this; it was not the language of
conciliation, and if they were out of their senses, it
was beet little calculated to soothe their irritation,
or to restore their reason.—(Hear.)

M►. KERIIEDY explained.
Mr. Fosses said ■ few words, quite inaudible in
the gallery.
Mr. Hums mid. he Mt it to be extremely im.
portent that the House should be pot right re-
specting what his Hon. Friend had now stated. He
was aware that what he had stated was in circula-
tion at a meeting in London, respecting the meet.
iug at Aberdeen, end he culled upon his Honours.
ble Friend to give him the name of any person
from whom he had derived his information, and
he would undertake to furnish the fullest refute.
tiou of it.-.(fiear. hear.)—The Honourable Mem-
ber proceeded to animadvert on the facility with
which Ministers and their friends hazarded broad
and unfounded assertions, which they ought to be
called on to prove, or which ought otherwise to be
met with equally broad sssertious in contradiction.
Mr. MABERLY made some observations in s very
low tone, which we could not collect.
Sir R. FERMSSON, in reply to what had been said
by an Honourable Member opposite, that at every
county meeting the opinions of the freeholders had
been expressed in favour of Ministers, begged to
call to his mind that at the greater part of those
meetings it was expressly declared, that they did
not mean to give any opinion in favour or otherwise,
of the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers.—(Hear.)
The Petition was then read, mid ordered to be
printed.
Sir RonzaT WILSON said, he held in his baud
■ Petition from the Churchwardens, Overseers, and
other Inhabitants of the Parish of St. Saviour, in
the Borough of Southwark. He was present at the
meeting at which it was adopted, and could on.
dertake to say, that it was a fair expression of the
opinion of the iiihabitatits of the ponds. He must
also say, that it was signed by several most re.
spectabje perking, who had never been in the habit
of inte►fering in party politics. They had at all
times been ready to sacrifice their lives and for.
tunes in support of their King and coustry, but
they tbooght that the affairs of the country ought to
be admiinstered on the principles of justice. The
doctrine which had of late beeu upheld in that
House, and which had been so much applauded
on the other side, that the exclusiou of the
Queen's name from the Liturgy was justified
by her having lent her misuse to the publication
of certain Answers to Addresses, was not likely
to content them; for they could not but recollect
that at the very time those answers were given, at.
' tempts were ma►ing not merely to deprive her of
her rights mud privileges asQueeii; but, by destroy-
ing her reputation, to bring her to the lowest stage
of degradation as a woman, lie moved that the
Petition be brought up.
Mr. C. CALVERT supported the motion, and
expressed himself in animated terms of encomium
ou the character and repectability of the Petitioners.
The Pentiou was then read, rod ordered to be
printed.
ELECTION PETITIONS.
Mr. Gout.outta pit-wined Petitions complaining
of undue returns for the Borough. of Tregusay.
Boseiney, tied Truro, in the county of Cornwall;
when the first was ordered to be token into coo-
sideranun on Tuesday the 13th of February, and
the other two uu Thursday the 15th of February.
A Petition was also presented, emplaning of
the rcturu for the town of Warwick, which were

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ordered to be taken into consideration ou Tuesday
the Bth May.
Mr. H. Cayssetan presented a Petition from
the borough of Derby, praying for the restoration
of the Queen's name in the Liturgy.—Ordered to
be printed.