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DIVIDENDS.

March 9. James Holmes, Carlisle, grocer, at eleven, at the
Crown and 3litre. Carlisle.
March 8. William Clark, Kingston-upon-Hull, seedsrosn, at
eleven, at the Dog aid Duck Tavern. liingston.upon.Hull,
!klatch 111. William Bignell, Colchester-street, Savage-gardens,
wine-merchant, at ten, at the Bankrupts' Court.
April 12. Thomas Marris, Bartou-upon-Humber, barker, at
twelve, at the Bankrupts' Court.
March 15. Jacob Abraham Levy, Buckler.bury, merchant, at
ten. at the Bankrupts Court
March S. John /lloorhouse, Sloane-street, Chelsea, wine.mer-
chant, at eleven, at the Bankrupts' Court.
March 8. Henry Gerhardt, Savage-gardens, merchant, at ten, at
the Bankrupts Court.
PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED.

Thomas Wolrieh Stansfeld and fletton Darner Sta nsfcld, King-
street, Cheapside—John Hmeling, John Oreenhow, and James
Heston, Leeds, wood-turners—Hobert Hill and John Stevenson,
Nsttingham, comb-manufacturers—John Dale llookey and John
Taylor, Stuthampton, slate-merchants—David Gregg and James
Wilson. Dudley, Worcestershire, linen-drapers—William Dickin.
son and W. 11. Jounlain. Wood-street—G. W. W.
Mason and John Evans, Mark-lane, brewery-agents, and Essex-
street. Guildford-street. Boromet- back-makers—Edward /leer'
and Evan 51artlew, \Figs° and Manchester, cotton-manufacturers
—Edward Freeman and Robert Spencely, Ely, Cambridgeshire,
plombers—llenry Guardrer and James Guatrlner, Redaitch,
IVoreestersLire, needle-manufacturers—William Woodward kettle
and Joseph %Leitrim,. Birmingham. gilt Milton-manufacturers—
Edward Step Felts and John Jackson, Cannon-street. 3lanchester,
calico-printers—George ‘i'eborr and Joseph Ilardwir,k, I Averpool,
general merchants—baunuel l'nwin, Edward Gnain, and George
Cnsvin, Tavirock-street, Covent-garden, drapers—Edmund IValkr
and Robert Waller, Luton. Bedfordshire. Leghorn bat merchants.
Thomas Bassett and Samuel Smith... Bury, machine-makers—
George Wells and John. Darkins. Nottibgham, hosiers—i,itnuel
ckinvon and lislam:n Hodgkins, Borton-upon-Trenr?boup-
=kers.

them to put their names to a petition so violent Ind imemperate.
(Hear). He was sure, that if the persons who ha signed the peti-
tions had had an opportunity of hearing the debates which had
taken place in that House, they would not have stated, as they had
done in their petition, that the Irish Catholics had insulted and
persecuted their Protestant brethren ; on the contrary, they would
tee that they (the Catholics) had only acted as became them. He
regretted exceedingly
, for hp own part, that the Association bad
made use of the violent language imputed to it, but he must deny
that it had done injury to, or had intuited, their Irish fellow-
subjects.
The Hon. C. HUTCHINSON said he must enter his pro-
test both against the petition itself and the principles it in-tulcated.
Ile thought it libelled the whole body of Irish Catholics, and he
considered it in the highest degree indecent to present such a peti-
tion at this time; and he contended, that if such petitions eon.'
tinued to be presented, it would inflame the public mind in Ire-
land, and be the means of 'hiking the foUndation of the empire •
to its centre. The Association had only acted according to the
Constitution of the country. It was Certainly the right of Hon.
Members to present such petitions as they thought proper; but
he would caution them against the consequences of petitions so
worded.
Mr. DICKINSON said, that with regard to the insults which
the Protestants had received, he entirely agreed with the nett-
tioners, for he remembered in partieultt• the case of a Dr. Drum-•
Boole, who had been most grossly instilted.
Sir T. LETHIIRIDGE said, be fount not be confined in his
expressions; but at the same time he Mint say, he thought it
would puzzle the ingenuity of the Hon. r.lentleinan (Mr. liutehin-
son), who had complaindl of it as libellous, to find one libellous
passage in the whole. There were certainly some firm and strongly
expressed sentiments, and it was high time there were such, foe
they would find a fir from humble tone in the petitions presented
fur the Association. If there was any ill-used party in Ireland. it
was the Protestants, and not the Catholics. He must enter his
protest against the language which the Hon. Alember foe Cork
(Mr. Hutchinson) had used; for the sentiments he (Sir 'l'. Loth.
bridge) had expressed, he should not mind expressing again.
Sir it. HERON said, he thought the attack which had been
• made on the people of England unjust; and he could net help say-
ing it.
Mr. MANSFIELD said, that hod:ever vulgar the prejudice
might be called, yet it was so firmly rooted in his ultra, that.he
most conscientiously believed he could not, consistently with his
duty, forbear giving hit vote for the petition.
Mr. NV. SMITH said, the only question was. whether the lan-
.guage of the petition was or was not disrespect:o to the House.
If it was not offensive to the House, it ought to be received.
The petition was ordered to lie on the table.
SE %VERS.
Notice was given, that leave wouhl. be inked, on the '22.1 of next
month, to bring in a Bill to amend th! laws respecting Sewers.
COUNTY COURTS BILL.
Sir E. HARVEY presented 'a petition in favour of the County
Courts Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table.
COAL DUTY.
Sir T. ACLAND presented a petition front Devonport, pray.
log for the repeal of the duty on Coals.—Ordered to he utt the
table.
BULLION.
Mr. lIU3IE moved for a Return of :he quantity of bullion im-
portedand exported into and out of England, from the year 1810 to
i and likewise for Scotland for the same period, and Ireland.
during the years 1012, 23, and 21 ; he also moved for a Hewett of
the quantity of gold and silver coined in His Majesty's Mint from
January 1810 to January 1823, and the quantity of bullion bought
up by the Bank of England.
ORDNANCE EXPENDITURE.

Mt. HI: ME likewise more'. for the Return of the Exentliture of
the Roan! of Ordnance.

Ste 11. HARDINGE said, the estimate had been alrea,lv re-
turned, but that there would be no objecnun to give every infuttna-
don oil the subject.
• COUNTY COURTS BILL.
Lord ALTHORP moved that the tlounty Courts Bill should
be referred to a Select Committee, to consider the subject of the
remucerations.—Leave granted.
SCOTCH .JURIES.

Mr. LEITESTEIt, on the Part of an Honourable Men b ir
(Mr. Kennedy) who was absent, gave notice of the postponement
of his motion relative to Juries, until after Easter.
[There was s cessation of Moaners here for several minutes : the
House was extremely thin, scarce( y forty Members being preaent..]
UNLAWFUL SOCIETIES (IRELAND).
Mr. GOULBL'RN moved the order of the day for resuming the
adjourned Debate on the Bill relative to illegal Associations in
Ireland.
Sir ROBERT SVILSON contd not content to gives silent vote
on a question of such vital intro:lance a the present. Notwith-
standing the candid and ingenuous tone of the Right Honourable
Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer), which never tailed
in producing a favourable atterdion to what fell from him, he could
r.ut refrain from regarding the proposed measure as not only cal-
culated to operate against the Catholic Association, but also as cal-
culated to injure and retard the greater measure of Catholic Eman-
cipation. That question was one of the deepest importance, and he
thought it peculiarly incumhtnt en those who wert the representa-
tives of populous and influential districts, to stand forward. and to
give their utmost opposition to the proposed measure. The Right
Honourable Gentlerban (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) who
' closed the Debatelast night had principally relied on the circum-
stance, that no Honourable Member on the tide of the House on
wuich he (Sir R. Wilson) sat, had defended the Catholic Asso-
ciation as a constitutional one. He bad asserted this with an air of
triunipb. Certainly he wat nut prepared to do lo—nor were 1
many Honourable hlentbcrs of that House—for the (lovers.,
ment had refused to lay before the House those documents ,
front which they might derive informatton as to the na.
tore of the constitution of this soeiety, and ascertain whether it was
or was not cor.Sistent with the spirit of the Constitution. ( Hear,
hear.) No opportunity had been afforded them of forming their
judgments upon it. The measure was admitted to be an extraordi-
nary one, and the Association to which it was to be applied, had
grown to a gigantic stature, and exercised a most extensive in-
fluence. It was not that Mt. O'Connell exercised a mere dictator.
ship over it, for it had been admitted by the Honourable Member
fur Flyinpton (Mr. North) that there were other influences besides
the Influence of that gentleman which contributed to make this
Association the powerful body that it was.
" Divisum imperiunt elm Jove Caesar habet."
Mr. O'Connell certainly exercised his eloquence and his talents, but
he was also supported by the general voice of the country. The
vo.r pops((, which wad in accordaver with the vox Del. was raised
in support of this Association ; it was sitstained by the public
opinion of the country. It liad been admitted on the other side
of Me House, that neither this Association nor its metr.bers had
any belligerent views ;—it was idle indeed to suppose they
could
.entertain them, neither were they formed foe offensive but
defensive putposes ; they were associated to aid in procuring a
change cora system of pollee, which had long existed, to the horror
of Ireland. the disgrace of Englind, and the shame of the civilized
world. (Hear, heat.) As to the influence of such an Asso:iation,
he certainly did not approve of It. lie would agree with the Right
lion. Gentleman that it might be such an influence as ought not to
' exist ((dear, from the Mini/aerial Benches), but he ditfereci with
them widely as ti the means of putting it down. It was di:retort
that he should oppose the present measure. Whilst the I auto:.:.
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wishes they expressed for its success. (Hear, Lea; hear.)—
He was the more astonishaLthat Government should inttodace this
measure now—sow that they had shown symptons of re¢„Fral po-
licy—now that they had separated themselves untquiyoaMy front
the views and the schemes of the Holt Alliance—now 'that 01e...,
recognized that exigence of . Natioral. Associations-4nd, still
further, now that they had scouted the idea that r.o people had is
right to choose their own Rulers and their own. form of govern,
ment. If the present Bill pawed into a law, ought not the House
to be alarmed at the serious consequences likely to spring from it
If they considered the state of Spain .and France—r( they consi-
dered the facility of communication afforded, by, the improvement
in steam navigation, had not they reason to, dread Ole reCtlireaCt of
another rebellion ? 'And if- the; standard were to be holster/ again
on Wicklow, or on Vinegar • was it not. fair to suppose
that its issue would be much mort.fatad tet.this e.o.intry then that
of the former one ? Now all the classes in Ireland were nited ;
they formed, as it wereeone body, bat{ in. the rebellion of 1798 it •
was different: the Trish Catholic Clergy were then hostile to the
French, because they looked en them and their policy 141 isiaicsl
to the interests of religion. The gentry.o: Ireland were also bos=
tile to it ; but now the Lierarchy. were amalgamated with the peo-
ple ; the gentry and all were united ; and whenever the standard
of insurrection was raised, the Government would hive to a riot
and struggle with this union; besides, the Catholics were nes
mole impressed with the justice of theit claims—the cause i:stl:
was gaining ground, ana was . assisted by the auxiliary oyi.
nions of many. Members of the Cabinet, and its justice was re-
peatedly recognized by the majority of that House. He was not
thz advocate of the Catholics ; he was not, nor never would be,
the advocate of Catholic abuse of power. .No pereon could mane
strongly deprecate that abuse. as it now existed in Spain and it:
France. \V Ito could look on the latter codntry and not feel stocked
and disgusted at a law that was now about to be passed there''
(Cheers from all sides of.the House.). Who, he wen.:ll ask, could
contemplate such a measure as that, without feeling that an insult
was offered to the God of Mercy ? (easers.) I:3 other ttriti
he could trace a similar autism ; but he felt himself called eof
except the Xing of Ilelgium—a foruzgately.„.l,4
fortitude sufficient to abstain trust pursuing the 'sample let him.
It was wrong to suppose that any result hostile to the Chutth et'
England could result from Emancipation in this country, where
the church was. interwoven with the Constitution: and he (Sir 11.
Wilson) was astonished at the existence of any illiberal or narrow
views among a people wbo bad the benefit of so much educy.
non, and, above all, the inestimable advantages of a free press.
(Hear, hear.) But, unfortuna:ely fur the Catholics, they hri not
alone to fight their own battle: they he./ to tight the bitt'ee of all the
' Dissenters. He did not stand forwent as the advocate of Cacho-
' lie Emancipation ; he altogether objected to that form of expressiod;
he always, When he supported that measure, did It on the broad
ground, that every citizen had a right to religious and civil liberty.
He waa the advocate of all Dissinten ; he wished to extend politi-
cal freedom to every man. no matter what might be his persuasion ;
he was, however, aware, that tpsny persons opposed Catholic.
Emancipation from a dread of Dissenters, and because they feared
that that measure might lead to a repeal of the test Acts that now
disqualify 'haunters; that was more (hair rceson than any appra-
hension from Catholics; they hail a strong dread of the Dissenters
who were not them ; the Catholics they believed would remastv
quietly in Ireland, and Would never conic to such ahead as would.
make them formidable here. But it was unnatural that people who
we fond of civil liberty themselves, should not extend it to others,
or that they should deny the advantages of poll. ical freedom, merely
on account of civil anti religious opinions. If the people of Eng-
land be hostile to the Catholiea—if they are determined to deb r
them of civil hearty. they unction a system of tyranny ; and having
established that, let them take heed lest having raised up tyrants in
Ireland, they may not hare tyrants In England also. R • would& bits::
the people of England to consider what may not be expected in tha
event of a foreign war. Ireland would naturally be the first objetts
elf attack, and if the present pernicious system wave mantled a,
wards that country, it was. but reasonetle to expect that it weu:4
easily fall into the enemy's hands ; then, indeed, might England.
tremble; she would have an enemy at herdoor 'shear); she would
have the whole Irish coast armed against her; she would have
all that coast planted with cannon, worked by the hands a'
foreigners;—then, indeed. might they fear—then might they havz
Serious ground for alarm, and would they be driven to the fearful
and dreadful extremity et fighting " p o (iris et fxis." Thu
Honourable Gentleman, aver making some further rematks, pro.
eeeded to sty, that though it had been ellen in the course of the
debate said, that the people of England were hostile to the claims
of the Catholics, and though it was the interest of every Hon.
Member to conciliate the favour of his tonatitueets, now that they
could not be far removed from a general election, still he felt,
though his vote might be hostile to their wishes, that an open,
candid, and manly exercise a his tote could not but command
their esteem. (Hear. hear )
Mr. LOCK HART adhered the House, but was fo: some time
inaudible in the gallery. He contended against the legality or
levying money without the consent of Parliament, and proceeded
to say, that though the paying was apparently voluntary, stiai
that, from the mode of its collection, it was strictly compulsory :
they (the people) do not come in themselves to pay it; collets:of* g
round to their houses to gather the money : the Priests urge the
necessity of its payment, sad if any Gentleman doubted that corn,
pulskin wu mixed up with this Rent, let him for a moment costs
rider the mode of collecting the poor.tates until an Act of Partite.
mant was passed in the reign of Elizabeth, legsliting them. and
directing die mode in which they were to be raised. Was it net
notorious that the poor.rates had, up to that peeled, been col:cote:a
through priests? and though well-informed persona may nut deem
the payment compulsory. was it not ptobable that ignorant people
might take a different view of the matter ? and was it not fair to cot/.
elude, that the Catholics should feel the same sort of cornputsitta
of paying the Rent es the people of England did of payityg
the poor, rates, long before there was any legal sans:ion for
Many Honourable .)lembets said, let us put down the Associalopt
but let us put it down by concession ; and Reese advocates de•
dared that whatever law may pave to put down the Assozstrioz
they will contrive to evade it. though Sily Acts were tiani.d 11);•
the purpose; though the Parliament declared every member C it
guilty of • misdemeanour, still they would invent other A, soc
tions and devise other means to evade the letter of the Act, a. d
would tints, as it were, act perpetually la A. to
making concession, the diet of it would be to make theAssociatioo
more arrogant. and cause the in to extend their view. to an extent
that would startle even the advocates of etr.ancipat ion and, Utdecdp
already they had promulgated seine of their ulter oe wag, a",l
Mr. O'Connell, who may 'be considered die organ atlas Cathol:cs.
had distinctly spoken of such things as the payannt ti ties tot'
Protestants by the Catholics being a mere mucka'y (11:ar, hey 4,
and of the equity of transferring them, ors portion of lieu, to ti.ei
Catholic Priests. (Hear, hear.) The lion. Gentleman, attar 500'0
the
further remarks, went on to say. that it die citho:hs were
tr.orner. intiocent of projects inimital to the (insatitutioa, ll'.
they were glowed to go on, it was impossible to say where they
would stop—tire probability was, that they woold not be inclined
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to set bounds to their ambitious views, sad if they were
inclined to do so, he would salt whether it was
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and that documents were not to be alwaya ar*ti for in such cases.
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that he heard from the 'servant at the library that it was-a beak
often inquired after, end very much wished for. (Great imaginer.)
Mr.
B Mr. Alderman RIDGES said, that he felt called upon to sup-
port the present measnre, for he was assured that if the Bill now
before the House shenld not be passed, it would soon be brought
forward in another sliape, and sooner or later it would be carried.
e should be inclined to use every exertion in his power to devise
a means of effecting the quiet of Ireland, and of meeting the Con-
stitutional demards of the Catholics. He was not of re et those who
considered, .that as soon as men ranked on the side of Ministers
they necessarily were opposed to the interests of the Catholics. He
ttoold not help deprecating the conduct pursued by lion. Geotienien
tin the other side of the House, who seemed to consider that the
principles of Gentlemen, the moment they got into office, were af-
fected by the change, and that they acted in direct contradiction to
their former professions. As an instance of this indefensible mode
of argument, duty had thought proper to make a most intemperate
and violent attack upon the Lord I I i ghChancellor of England; a man
whom he (Alderman Bridges) most highly respected and esteemed,
not only for his consummate legal knowledge, but also for Ilia great
iiitegtity, his unswerving justice, and his public and private virtues,
and nib) he long live to confer the benefit of his judgments on his
ho
onntry, which, when he dies, will sustain a loss not soon to be re-
psid.
" Integer vita, aceleris que putus,
Non eget Mauri jaeulis neque area."
Mr. PASCOE GRENFELL said, that as the Citholic As-
sociation had been shown to be prejudiciai to the real interestsof the
people, and especially to the Catholics of Ireland, and as it had
been proved that it had, in point of fact, been known to interfere
with the administration of justice in the country, lie was one who
condemned these mischievous acts, and who, for one, should be in-
clined to see some measure adopted for checking these proceedings t
be Should therefore vote for the introduction of the Bill now betore
the House, with the hope that it would effectually put an end to
this illegal and unconstitutional interference on the part of that
oody, with due dispensation of the laws among the people of the
country. What other conduct he might adopt when the details of
the Bill came before the House, would be entirely regulated ac-
seeding to the nature of the different provisions and enactments of
which those details would consist. He had had along parliamentary
experience; during the whole course of the three-and-twenty years
he bad had the honour of a seat in that House, he had in-'
variably and uniformly advocated the Catholic Claims, and he eer-
cooly should now persevere in that line which he had, for so long a
-tublic life, pursued. Whenever and wherever the question of the
• •: -bould be argued in his presence, would he be tOwnst
--, on the subject. Certain as lie was that
nothltste could satisfy, and nothing ought to
r,) these demands of the Catholics but the
some gentlemen called Catholic Ernancipa-
Concession, bat which he would ever call
hear,) he should ever contribute his
ofnhat House, in aiding them to get
and of man, they were most justly en-
. the real facts, and contemplate them im-
Ai less than six millions of men, the great
injured, oppressed, and actually trampled
Could such a state exist it—Was It to be
' that these sit millions of Catholics would
&mints, and bear patiently this mark of
them ? They never would submit ; they
anceasingly r..tst ; and he trusted they might continue to re-
Mat until these shackles were removed. (Hear, hear.) Coming as
he was towards the wane of a long and anxious life, when
on the bed of death, his last prayer should be offered up to Almighty
God, that if the Catholics did resist they might be successfuL
(Hear, hear, hear.)
Mr. ROBERTSON said, that If the Catholic Association was
illegal andunconatitutional—if the State should be deemed to dp.l
rive greater benefit by its suppression than by its being suffered to
exist, then he should say that the present Bill should proxed ; but
if, on the contrary, this Association were capable of conferring
greater good than harm by its operations, then he would say it
ought to be upheld. It was upon this principle that Government
ought to set. This Association had been spoken of in connexion
with others, but there was no parallel between this and other WO. I
Liatiol7% Each ease ought to be judged of by its own eircum....
stances. The Right Honourable Secretary for Ireland had stated,
that the landed gentlemen of Ireland stood opposed to IL: Catholie
Rees This, then, was, as it appeared to him, the efficient cause et
the Bill now before the House. The grievances of the Homan Ca.;
%holies could not be kept out of view in the discussion of this quen.
tion ; and one of those grievances he conceived to be the tithe sys.
tent which prevailed in that country, and by which the peasantry
were oppressed. If the landed gentry did their duty to the pm..
• !vary, we should not now be called upon to put dawn this Associ-
ation. They seemed rather to encourage than to cppose the spirit
that was working among those distressed men. lie (Mr. Robert-
bur) was of opinion, that these restless feelings among the hien
orefers of Irishmen were not owing to the Catholic Clergy—they I
were the friends of the peasantry, and did not recenve front them one
tenth of the produce of their labour, which they had a right to do. 1
What then became of the excess not received by the Catholic
priesthood ?—Why it had been put into the pockets of the tithe-
owners. Recce arose the oppression and the misery of the pea-
santry of Ireland. H e did not stop to inquire whether it was the
middleman, or the fourth or fifth man, who collected these tithes ;
the evil was fairly traceable to the landed interest of Ireland, who
did nothing to oppose the exactions that were made under the sanc-
tion of this system. Here. then, might Honourable Gentlemen see •
one of the causes of the.callection of the Catholic Rent. It was to
sup* this neglect on the part of the landed interest in
doing did: deity, and to return, in some little degree, the'
'money to those from whom that most rigorous a-d oppressive
tithe system had drained their hard earnings. 'file Honourable
Member for New Ross (Mr. L)ugtterty) had entered into a fall
statement of the conduct pursued by the administrators of the
bier towards the Catholics. lie (Mr. Robertson) believed that the
law was purely and properly administered; but what had that to
do with those who had no WOWS by which to obtain the advantages
of the law ? After alluding again to the indifference of the landed
gentlemen of Ireland to the operations of the tithe system, the Hon.
Gentleman declared his belief to be, that concession would heat no
earthly good effect, further than by giving them strength to demand
more, and more must be given to their. Eainneipation alone
would not give peace to Ireland. The lion. Gentleman then al-
luded to the observations that bad been made on the Revolution of
Scotland and the triumph of the Kirk over the Episcopal Church,
but which he said was brought about by the total annihilation of
the party which kept Scotland in a continual state of disturbence;
thn Representatives of that country having entertained the sante
sentiments with the people, their interests were consulted, and that
was the cause of the quiet of Scotland. The lion. Gentleman,
after adverting to some observations made by the Right lion.
Gentleman IMr. Plunkett) favourable to the character of the Ca- •
th.ilic Priesthood, observed, that if the Legislature did not grain
the Catholics those concessions which they Owned they would soon
take it; they were growing sarong and powerful, and this country
had better concede while it had the power, for the time might come
when that power would no tenger exist. From these feelings he'
was opposed to the putting down the Association by compulsion.
lie war fee putting it down certainly, but by a very different mode
from that proposed by the present Bill. He ninth' suppress
the Catholic Association by concession, but by no other means.
The 31inisters were now strong, and powerful ; there was no tear
that there could be any misconstruction of the inotire or ground
upon which this concession would be grouted. At a future shun
perhaps, the Catholics, who would be gra:ef.:l now, would not he
thankful for the boon. tie was, therefore, for putting the A....4r
thin down 11 repealing laws, and not by enacting new
(Hear, bear
Sir Jell NEWPORT said, that be had adolteesed the House
AO open, that he was bat very litaltlizttered by the hope of adding
anything new to the subject. He rose principally with the inten-
tion of stating to the House. that after all which he had heard on
the question, and after all that he had observed, he was more con-
e/Mad than mar that while we 000tinued to refuse Emancipation
diP the Gethollea, and persevered in getting this Bill passed into a

most distinct sad emphatic manner, ate he considered the
Priesthood were uniformly the friends of peace and good order.
He had also said, or if he had neglected before to do so, he now
said, that though he did not consider two thousand priests' at the
head of thirty thousand collectors, as matter for much alarm,
concluding that those priests were ready or inclined to become the
agents of mischief; yet he considered it one of the most mischievous
effects produced by the existence of the Catholic Association, and
the collection of the Rent, that it diverted the attention of this
valuable body of men front their sacred duties, and involved them
in polities and party feelings.
Sir J. NEW resumed. He was gratified to hear the ex-
planations which had fallen from the Right Honourable Gentle-
men opposite. At all events, it was admitted, that they held con-
trary opinions, Dot only with respect to the character of the priest-
hood, but also as regards the influence of the priesthood in pro-
' clueing the tranquillity, which it was admitted on all hands now
reigned throughout Ireland. But to go to other fac:s—the name of
a Mr. Devereux had been mentioned. It was stated, that it was
extremely improper for the Catholic Association to receive Mr.
Deveveux with warmth and applause*, because lie had been a
member of die Catholic Committee in 1792. The House ought to
know, however, that in the subsequent year, 1793, the Catholics
of Ireland thought it necessary to send a deputation to wait upon
his late Majesty, of which deputation Mr. Devereux was one.
This deputation was introduced by his Majesty's Ministers, and
most graciously received by the King. Gentlemen at the other side
of the House, atlected a great veneration for the memory of the
late King, and may not the Catholic Association turn round and
say to three Gentlemen, we received Mr. Devereux with respect,
and he was treated in the same manner by his late Majesty, when
he was introduced by a Member belonging to his Majesty's Go.
vernment. (Hear, hear.) An Honourable Gentleman opposite
had observed, that lie would nut so much censure the Catholic
Association, if they had associated at a period a hen Orange So-
cieties were in strength and activity, but that they had waited
until the Orange Societies were beaten down by the Marquis AVel-
lesiey's Administration. He (Sir J. Newport) denied that this
was the fact. When the Catholic Association commenced its die.
cussiuns, the Orange Societies were not beaten down; they were
then vigorous and triumphant, and their members were to be found
boasting that they had doubled their numbers sirfte the House had
endeavoured by a legislative enactment to put them down. (Hear.)
At this very period, an Honourable Gentleman had stated in that
House, that now the oaths were takes away from the system, he
saw nothing objectionable in Orangvithe and should become an
tereagetuan hipasele It was notorious too, theta leader, an avowed
leader, of the Orange Body, was considered in his examina-
tion to have triumphed over that House. It had been said
by somebody on the ether elite of the Howe that the Catho-
lic nobility had not connected themselves with the Association
. and were adverse to that body because of its violence. Be haj
read a letter from Lord Fingall one of the principal amongst
the Catholic nobility. His Lordship was at Clifton, he (Sir J.
Newport) regretted to add, rather in a bad state of health. He
asps, " Illness is unfortunate at all times, but peculiarly mortify-
ing under the peculiar circumstances, we it prevents me from joining
my feeble efforts to those of the ether gee denten of the Association
at such an important nine." He would say nothing of Lord Fin-
gall that could not be borne oat by every Ilunourable Gentle:ran in
that House, when he observed, that there never was a nobleman or
gentleman more moderate and temperate than he had been through
life, and through the various agitations to which his country was
subjected. Ile was more distinguished for his virtues than his
high rank; and he (Sir J. Newport) felt much pleasure in having
this opportunity of paying the Noble Lord a tribute which he
justly merited. But to return to the question, he would ask those
i who were disposed to vote for the enactment .of this new penal law,
where they proposed to stop? What was the end and object which
they had in view? The relative number of Catholics, compared
with that of Protestants, was fearfully increasing in Ireland. They
had calculations before them which demonstrated this fact. There
was the calculation of Pocock as to the county of Kilkenny, an in-
land county, in which the Catholics had increased in an extraordi-
nary proportion. In twenty years the Catholics had nearly doubled.
In the enumeration made at the time of the Union, the proportion
of Catholics to Protestants was suited to be as five to two. The
proportion was now as six to one; and if the House waited for
twenty yearn mote, they would tind it to be as twelve to one. It
i wouid be impoesi hie then for the House to refuse those cone's-
clone, the graut of which it now poetponei. And why wait and
encounter the perils crested by a refusal to grant those privileges,
which must at length be canceled, although they may be for
a while withheld? lie would implore the House to consider the
expediency of making such concessions now. It was the cause of Ire-
land, he may say of the empire. because the tranquillity and security
i et the country was connected with it. lie hoped he was convinced
that this cause had not retrograded, but that it had advanced ; is.
deed, he was sure it wouid advance in consequence of the present
discussion. One of the most beautiful of our writers had said,
j that " our wars were like the mornings of summer, where waning,
cleuds contend with growing light." lie (Sir J. Newport) would
apply this to Ireland. The clouds were quickly passing away from.
and brighter days he trusted were opening to, her. He hoped that,
before many months, the House would agree with him upon the
uercesity of the meesure of Einancipet ion ; but, be this as it may, be
would, in conclusion, assure the llotiee that by passing this Bill,
it would do more neucliiel than it would be possible to remedy in a
bevies of years.
Mr. 1, ESEY FITZGERALD concurred in much that had
I fallen from the lion. Gentleman who had just concluded, yet he
supported the Bill ; but he would nut shrink back and give a silent
rote, leaving his motives unstated and unexplained. lie regretted
the necessity of the measure which Ministers proposed. He thought
that no other principle but necessity could justify the introduction
of such a Bill. Ile was aware that many Gentlemen at his (Mr.
V. Fitzgeraid'e) aide of the House, had been impressed with exag
I .
iterated accounts which they had received of the injurious ef
j frets produced by the Catholic Association. He knew that
1 these statementswere not well founded ; he admitted that
the sentiments uttered in the Association should not be eel-
', ticieed with severity ; that there was much reason for vio-
-1 liner ; but yet he thought the Government should be
allowed to act for itself, and that it was sufficiently vigorous and
active to preserve the tranquillity of the country. Mr. V. Fitz-
gerald bore testimony to the conduct of the Catholic Magistrates of
the county which he represented (Clare), and also stated, that many
1 Catholic Priests had exerted themselves to put down the recent dis-
turbatices. He defended the administration of justice; but ad.
nutted that abuses were sometimes committed. Much had been
j done in the way in reformation; no doubt match remained to be
done: but he could not suppose that these subjects would nut ex-
cite the attention of the Government at a proper season. More had
already been ee'ected than could have been contemplated when the
work began. Though the interference of the Catholic Association
might have eheen eatreniely useful, as was held by Hon. Glade-
men opposite, it certainly was quite unnecessary. Abuses may
have existed, but he looked for correction to the wholesome opera-
tion of the laws. The Government was sufficient to insure the
peace of the country, and did not require adventitious aid. It was
no answer to say, that because the individuals were acquitted
against whom the Catholic Association interfered, this interference
was innocent. fly proclaiming anticipated guilt, and influencing the
minds of the judges and jurols, they had acted in a manner which he
could not opium e. Their conduct was not affected by the event of the
trials. Ile believed there was growing up, and had grown up, a pub-
he opinion in Ireland, that the local anti general administration of
the country had materially improved, and this had its natural result
in the tranquillity of the century. He considered the present question
as sue that trust produce fortunate effects to Ireland, because, front
its great magnitude. and the attention with which it had been dis-
cussed, it brought Ireland within the sphere of general considera-
tion. Ile was anxious to call the attention of the House to one par-
ticular point; he meant the inquiry that had been last year gone
into relative teethe state of Ireland, and the renewal of which was
so strongly recommended by the Committee. In his opinion the
greatest good had remitted trom this inquiry, and he was sure that
nothing would be so consolatory to the people of Ireland, as the
knowledge that their state was still under inquiry by the English

Under ionic shape or other, as long as the union of the Roman Ca-
tholics remained. Whether the Rill were or were not patted. the
Roman Catholic' would find some means of informing the people
of this country, that his Majesty's Ministers had chosen to have
six millions of discontented subjects. lie thought the Right lion.
Gentleman (Mr. V. Fitzgerald). in his observations, had argued only
half the question. With regard to the Association itself, he would
fairly admit that he considered it greatly inconvenient ; but he felt
certain that it was necessary only to change the nature of the laws
to remove the evils. lie would not agreeln the position, that the
Catholic Association could affect the question of Catholic Eman.
cipation. Every one knew that it was Impossible for things to re-
main in Ireland as they were : there was only one way of get-
ting rid of the evil complained of, sod that was, by getting rid of
the grievances of which they had to complain. lie did not even think
that the Catholic Association could defer. Catholic Emancipation ;
but he would express his firm belief to the contrary, and that their
efforts would rather hasten it. lie understood that they were sup-
plied with funds to carry forward their cause by the contributions
of the people, and this must mainly forward the measure. His
view of the case was, that the attempt to put down the Catholic
Association by the means proposed must fail, but he knew that
there was another and a better mode of doing so—by granting
emancipation to the Catholics. His Honourable Friend (the Chan.
cellor of the Exchequer) had yesterday said, that if emancipation
were granted to the Catholics the Association would still exist. He
(Lard Althorp) believed that such would not be the case—that it
was indeed impossible for it to be so. AVhen the Irish Volunteers
of 1792 assembled for redress, while their grievances were real and
substantial, so long it was found impossible to put them down, and
they succeeded in carrying their object; but when, during the year
following, they attempted to carry measures that were not consonant
with the geleral wish of the people, from that moment the power
of the Parliament returned, and they were put down with ease.
Mr. WILLIAM LAMB observerLithat the Right Honourable
Member (Vesey Fitzgerald) had certainly condemned the Catholic
Association ; but he had condemned it in such measured terms as
to make his d, ion of it almost problematical. He con-
sidered their however, of a most objectionable nature, and
hay direct lendeocy to break up the foundations of good order;
and thereiniabily bad crowded in their proceedings every thing
that could be considered objectionable, and that was likely to cause
alarm. He was reudy to make all allowances for the Catholic As-
sociation ; the irritation the Catholic body had endured—the per-
tinacity with which they had for a length of time urged their
claims and been disappointed, led him to look with great kindness
on that assembly ; but when he considered who the leader of that
A ssotiation was, that be was a man of /nature age, in full practice es
an experienced advocate, accustomed to all the applause that elo-
quence produced--he himself being the master of pure eloquence—
and who, therefore, was not likely to be led away by the dazzling
praise of • popular assembly. That gentleman's habits were those
of an advocate, which required, demanded, and taught prudence.
It was impossible for hint to urge an excuse for such a man, as if
he had been a raw boy, unaccustomed to all the trickery of ap-
plause and debate. Mr. O'Connell understood the law, and
knew well how far the Association accorded with it. de en-
tertained the opinion that he bad expressed on the first night
of the Session, that it was unfit that any Priesthood should
bring their spiritual power to bear on a political question ;
and he equally hoped that the debate would not partake
of a polemical or controversial character. lie had never heard pre-
cisely the grounds upon which the Association considered their
powers to extend; but he thought the collecting money, and sit.
ting to hear grievances, gave a permanent existence to the aisem.
bly ; at least in that sense no one could doubt the members of it
wished it to be taken. A metaphor sometimes carried with it
greater force than argument, and on that account he supposed it
was that a Right Hon. Gentleman had called public meetings the
safety-valves that carried off danger; but the question was, whether
the perpetual irritation produced by the proceeding of the Catholic
Association were not more likely to carry down the flames to the
furnace below that made the cauldron boil ; lie thought that it
would be better, for the sake of public decency, that the prosecu-
tions that hail been alluded to should be kept out of Court. for could
:el thing be more likely to produce the evils of the Constitu-
tional Association, which had been so touch deprecated in that
House than the Acts of the Catholic Assembly ? 'l'he mischief
had always been on similar occasions, and would be the same in this
that civil actions were brought in a vexatious manner against in-
dividuals, and little actions were brought into importance.—
nether evil from this Association was that it caused the

administration of justice to be spoken lightly of; and he
confessed that he was surprised at the opinions that had
born uttered on that point. He knew full well what was always
said when that House sent any man to trial. It was then thrown
out its an insinuation against the House that a fellow-subject was
sent to trial with the House of Commons ; bat as it related to the
course intended to be pursued by the -Issociation, hew much more
vexatioue were the proceedings ? for they would send persons to
trial amongst* ptople heated with injuries either real or imaginary,
and ripe for rebellion ; if they were not so he would withdraw his
assertion. But he believed it was not with respect to the danger, but
the tit and proper time for putting it down that any doubt existed.
The Hon. Slember then adverted to the remarks of Mr. Tierney on
a former evening as to the vacancies that would occur in the Cabi.
net if an Administration were attempted to he formed by the party
opposing the Catholic claims, and concluded by observing, that he
hoped a future Ministry would never be so shackled as to be obliged
to go out of power on the question as in 111(17, and he equally hoped
that a settled hatred and animosity against the Catholics would
never exist in any Cabinet.
Sir F. BURDETT immediately rose upon Mr. Lamb's sitting
down, but ha was for some time quite inaudible in the gallery, in
conseqaence of the nntse and confusion that took place upon Mem.
hers taking their places. The first words that we heard, the lion.
Baronet observed, that at the sante time he in common with other
Members of the House was delighted with the ingenuity of the
speech of the lion. Member who had just sat down, but he consi-
clued his inferences unfair and his premises false and extraneous to
the subject. lie had taken notice of the proceedings that had oc-
curred in the assembly, and commented, as others had done, upon
the words of Mr. O'Connell in a manner that facts did not
warrant. Disconnected sentences of that gentleman's had been
taken rap during the debate, and brought forward as charges against
hint, and that too when it was impossible for him to give an expla-
nation of them. Arguments had been imputed to him in a manner
that no writing could bear the test of, and no hook that ever was
written, not even that which they all respected and revered—the
Bible—could contend against. If detached passages of the Bible
were taken they might he made to convey blasphemy,—as that great
and true-hearted Engliahman, Sydney, had truly said, when a wicked
Judge and a stupid jury convicted hint, and this might be applied to
the speeches of 111 r. O'ConnelL Ile said that he might take the
Bible and pick nut a passage which said there was no God, and he
might quote the Bible as containing blasphemous passages, and so
it would appear, without reference to the context. He should be
ready to agree with Gentlemen wboliad adverted to Mr. O'Connell's
speech, if they contained jesuitical ingenuity, but he maintained
there' was nothing of the kind expressed or implied in them. They
contained nothing but manly, open, candid sentiments. There was
nothing behind die curtain in item, nothing of reservation. And
what could be inferred from the passage that had been so much
taunted at, "By the hate that you bear the Orangemen ?" But
how did lie elm that sentence ? Did that manifest hostility ? " By
the hate you bear the Orangemen, do no act of violence ; follaw
the precepts of the Gospel in that true sense of purity, that he
feared no men could lay his hand upon his heart and say that he
had so acted." Rut the setmet machinations against Mr. O'Con-
nell ; the unfair mode pursued in attacking garbled extracts of his
speech, reminded him of those beautiful lines of a poet but little
read, Dr. Armstrong,
" An open candid foe I could not hate,
Nor would insult the base in low estate;
Hut private malice freely to forgive.
'Tie something late to be so primitive."
It certainly was a new doctrine to hold out, that oppression was not
to be hated, hut those gentlemen who had taken exception at Mr.
O'Connell's speeches, and taken detached passages to prove that

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danger from it ? Some persons thought that the Association
had shown too much temper, and had been too tardy in their
operations; that they ought to have bestirred themselves sooner
o snake their cause respected; but, perhaps they had pursued
a sounder patriotism by adopting the more moderate course.—
Gentlemen on the other side had addressed themselves in their
arguments to every thing but the particular point in question.
The principal charge adduced by the lion. Gentleman to whom
he had last alluded, and indeed the ground which had been
most urged and relied upon by the supporters of this measure,
was, the alleged interference of the Catholic Association with the
administration of justice, and the mischievous consequences re-
sulting, and likely to result, from such a tampering with the
operation of the laws. Anti Gentlemen had said, directing their
observations to that side of the House, " How can you, who
have disapproved of the Bridge-street Society, support the
Catholic Association? You disapproved of that for its inter-
ference with the duties of the Officers of the State, and by
I what process of reasoning can you reconcile to such opposition
your present approval of the acts of this Association ? Your
argument cuts against yourself." In answer to this, he would
reply, that lie for one had supported the Constitutional Asso-
ciation, not from approbation of its motives and actions, but
against, and in preference to, the operations of State prosecu-
tions and e.r.o.fficio informations. The fact was, he considered
the Bridge-street Society as the lesser devil of the two. He
was prepared to assert the conduct of that Society met his particular
disapprobation. Their conduct was unpardonable. Their em-
ployment of spies, and the mode in which they urged on their
charges of filth and scurrility, it was impossible to justify; yet
he felt no hesitation in boldly asserting that, such as it was, he
much preferred it to the exercise of the powers of the Attorney.
General. But the Catholic Association did nolhing of this kind—
they did not prosecute for political offences and libels, the meaning
of which was generally so indeterminate, and in which men of the
best character might become implicated. He would inform the
House what they really did propose to themselves to do, and what
they had successfully executed. They had attempted to provide
their oppressed fellow-countrymen with the meant' of defence
against aggression, and an opportunity of obtaining ed ens when
natured. In doing this, particularly in Ireland, who could say
they had attempted any thing unconstitutional or uncalled-for
by the necessities of the time and the country s They did not at-
tempt to prejudge or prejudice; but when a case of supposed in.
justice was submitted to their consideration, as one demanding in.
quiry, they subjected it to the investigation of a Committee ap.
polished for the purpose, who examined into the merits of the case,
but presumed to pronounce no determination upon the matter,
further than sending the case before a Grand Jury, aed into is
court of their country, if there appeared to them to exist grounds
capable of warranting a further investigation. And what was there
pernicious or unconstitutional in ell this ? Ile had exported, front
the grave tone with which allegations of this nature had been
wade, to have heard of perjured witnesses, or bribed juries, its
sonic other course of injustim to check and counteract the salu-
tary operation of the laws. But what was really the cats ? In
the very instance adduced by the Secretary of State for Ireland,
the circumstances were in favour of the Catholic-Association, and
justice had been done. The lion. Member had stated as much as
suited his own purpose, and he (Sir Francis Burdett) was at a loss
to knew how he could reconcile such conduct with the principles
of candour and fairness which should influence the minis of
men discussing considerations so important. His Majesty's Mi-
nista, hest offered no proofs, and laid no documents upon the
table of that House, and yet they expected the Home to legis-
late in the dark. But if the House must be content to
rely upon bare and unsupported statements, he would protest
against the Honourable Gentleman being heard. He could have
no voice in the matter—he had put himself and his case completely
out of Court by his conduct. lie should therefore feel himselfjus-
titled in reiterating his protest against the evidence of that Gentle-
man. But he was inclined to fear that this was not the right view to
take of this important case—a case of such vital interest to the well-
being of the state. Ile used those expressions without exaggera-
tnan, and was prepared to assert, that this was not merely an Irish,
but an English question--a question of more importance than any
since the Revolution of 1688. Ile did not feel disposed to join in
an anticipation of the melancholy consequences which had been pre-
dicted as likely to ensue 11'0111 the adoption of this measure in Ire-
land. His Majesty's Attorney-General for Ireland had put a
question to hint on a former evening, to which he was, perhaps,
incited by the particular attention he (Sir Francis Burdett) was
paying him at the moment—an attention which, lie was free to ad.
mit, was excited by other causes than the powerful eloquence
of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman ;—not that he
meant to say his abilities were not of a nature calculated to draw
the particular attention of every Member of that House to
' every expression of his sentiments. The Learned Gentleman had
inquired whether he (the Member for Westminster) thought the
Roman Catholics would not submit to the proposed enactment?
Ile (Sir Francis Burdett) could not undertake to say what would
be the effect of such measures upon the feelings of six millions of
people. Ile would content himself with saying, that seeing the
acts of the Association, looking to the high names enrolled among
its members, and taking into consideration its principles and pro.
gress, he would have replied to the lion. Gentleman's question, ,
' that be (Sir Francis Burdett) entertained a strong hope and ex-
pectation, and it was, he might add, his ardent prayer, that the
Catholics of Ireland would abstain from entering into any resistance
towards any measures which might be adopted by that House ; he',
trusted they would adopt no such dangerous anti unseemly conduct.
This would have been his answer to the lion. Gentleman at the
moment, but lie was now prepared with a better, furnished
to him by the Association itself. He came down to the House
to answer the question, and in doing so, he was but echoing the
voice--and he might call it, the wisdom of the Association itself.
That Association assembled since the news of these piojected mea-
sures had reached their ears, and their determination hail been one
every way worthy of themselves and their cause: it was obedience
to the law when enacted ; and the olds, claim they preferred was,
that they might be heard at the Bar of diet !louse, in explanation of
their principles, and in vindication of their conduct. lie would cell
this language loyal and prudent; and, under the circumstances of the
country, he felt justified in using every effort in behalf of the Roman
Catholics, not of Ireland alone, but of the United Kingdom. It had
been said, that it was impossible to form a Cabinet united on the
subject of the Catholic claims, but he was prepared to maintain,
that had the friends of the Catholics who now held places in the
Cabinet retained their principles, and refused to accept office with.
out the granting of that question ban attached to it, they would
have succeeded in their object. The Government could not have
gone on ; they might have done as Gentlemen were, in the case of a
serious difference of opinion, in the habit of doing with Committees
above stairs—namely, knocking the brains out of the Committee:
they could have knocked the brains out of the Administration,
which could not have stood or existed without them. He would
not pretend to charge upon those Gentlemen an apestacy from the
measures which they had once so strenuously advocated, but he
would say, had the alternative been put of the Anti-Catholic part of
the Administration submitting, they must have submitted. Bu u
bad not been puts and the consequence was, the enlightened hilfs
submitted to the unenlightened part of the Cabinet, and darkness
covered the face of the land. The conduct of the opposers of Ca-
tholic Emancipation had been different. The Right Honourable
the Secretary for the Home Department would hot, unlike his ,
Honourable colleague, constitute a portion of a Cabinet where the
Catholic claims were to be granted. He (Sir F, Burdett) would
not pretend to draw any inference from this conduct, which was at
least consistent, and that was more than could be said of the fa.
vourers of the Catholics. All he would add upon the subject was,
that there appeared in the conduct of the two parties, to say table se
of it, as great a difference in mural as in political princgile. Threw&
the activity of one part, and the irtliffnence of the other, questions
of the most vital importance were to remain stationary at best make
the least possible progress. The union—if it might be so denomi-
nated which was not • union--ef such a Cabinet, was like the
junction of the living with the dealt; and he could not pretend to


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- the'Catholle Associeno' a asbiell, istiold beanies& two thee llama dist the prebilings danger *bleb • ' Hoe. Member lied said ao the posomdlicidght, that he was an an appeal to them to pursue a meadiadmpl object by
ealco . • • •t• Min Id tide usury elm the pea el HA was weer nod enemy els all Aseeentiees He us leseausese. any Association means ; but Hon. Gentlemen modem emit sly we damps from
Mr . •-. ... ( *id taste Sit one paint to *hide Ms saw fearful than anything ens- thated ever occurred -wise` his most Pemba a matisaw•Ameelatiou He did sot, however, concur the Catholic Association, and the Isnot timid of them thrieght that
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w.,heig.. , .M. yto call gas issuseke a the Sum He would sopeniuse. It Ira, listbiog %rook of lbex Ws be the *aim a the 0.. Mamba far Armagh (Mr. Brownlow) its proceedings were of a questionable nature, mei their sendiall
• not en account tr on the liaise, and MU thither peek% Needy used in bat lithe that the liall sow intiedued into the Berme wee =Bed for by the reminded him of the passage that Hamlet uttered wise he ad.
the de , Which had Mbar* pme to such a Isefflai Was awn el -blet OPP , . i the eisda•. • . y *suet of the Cobol* Assecieties only. He believed, if the 'armed to the Ghost-
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.-.-- • bot Ants Paying a fen Seed* en oft pilot i the saes sa, es t for bete we Were a tat Ohm's Asiecietiebehol eat Wends that the Catholic Association "Be thou a spirit of health or goblin damned,
• '''' - .an argidenut had bees /Miro iron it spina the Bill. floe Ora homes, who foamed an the - lift. (he would net my that it would sot be in existence) would net so Bring wnh thee airs from heaveo er Maas boa bell,
inent Willed of intimidation iit nos midi, if yea pass this hits you Whilst dm ephishiss Ohne he glapeft the jut ismaol.the completely bare embedited Gm poop* Hs was for putting down Be thy intents wicked or charitable,
will raise * it
; the people of /Maid Mil emesintere it. rhumies, the tai'
el nth a mu as that heir 'yeepiesiU all Associations, on
rtehieeand that they led to many evils, Thou cont'st in such a questionable shape,
Now, it apparel tint there was se nett apprehesseion be maw. session potion say aftwastegeopelion,
l'irbrih • and could be productive little good. He could sot concur That I will speak to thee."
muted. fee sea los touting of the Association, at whites Land ill- toosularink took am diSteek No . In in the opinion cep ley some Hautuable Gentlemen, Was there any thing wicked in all that Mr. O'Connell had said
lam melded, a udon was pasted declaring their inesetios at heisted may be aefortoi. of that the Cadeelie_nuestion woad not now pan, oe that the sense respecting the Orangemen ? Was it like the conduct of " a
abide le in) eau t may eideti had to succumb se ha =rig heitalliols AM w reed a gust of the people el Reiland wag against it. He thought, however, goblin datnn'd," as some Gentlemen seemed so think, to endeavotu
• ' • nbriiiiimite eimemee &edit to thee essela; evil. Bat why was a Rill t nature sought to be in- that the Catholic Assimintiso„ by its unguarded conduct, had given to restrain the Catholics from violence towards the Orangemen ?
'''. -ti the Asendlaido +l,The Hen. • without any dacurseetterp utilises ?II Right Honour- a handle to the mania ef Catholic Emancipation, and had fine Surely, then, it was not candid or fair, in an assembly like the
• , , roped,* bad said, that . the Government relied aished its opponsate with emulsions against it; but he saw House of Commons, to cavil at expressions of Mr. O'Connell,
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e' , inseeee fit the obviation Usk doe upsramorieus facts-facts r rodeos uto supersede the De- nothing ill .the Mate of things le wake him despair that the mu- when he had no opportunity of explaining himself. And what,
' • were swami hoe jpitiest by as Hawaii comity eteay ;other ce. But what were these epee wads,* granted. He deemed it called for, not only by jas• he would ask, was there in any other part of Mr. O'Connell's
" appalls James Mt Mies* ) ; tint -as.. seitheseembisted=4o,ldr What was the feted' of tics bed by sommity; be deemed success inevitable ;it might be conduct that was open to exception from his most determined
‘1141',, {j. ; ; • -tlie whisaremat *Now neleriecy attached to one at those hien -be meant, the effect kif the retarded, but it muM not be prevented even by the violent conduct opponents ? Surely it could not be necessary to justify at
• • •-s r.:. Os o . cruse. side ; he vitedi was nod *anions of the Romeoddedolie • Priesthood I. producing teen- of the Qedielis Association. Connected as be was by blood, and expression that broke forth from a heart bursting with wrongs.
. s., to omelonseewege egosaag apatite e The mug moth( do Sell to place ittjuxt.sn the e tea of friendship, he might almost say, by name, with Cacho_ (Hear, hear.) The lion. Gentleman who had spoken last had
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on the_principiethat !sees sepal*. opinion of the Seca/tare foe Ireland, and the Under y for that be felt it his duty to give his vote against endeavoured to throw an air of ridicule over public meetings ~
'' * ' Its • • ) Tide was reedy • Oder rattelltat aarsaaddit. the Home Herrman. Observe*, sopperiety. the in fence t hi:MIL assured that by putting down this Catholic As. but he would remind him that the late Mr. Burke considered
••; :' it . ".. ) - to be add tow ow ifirobild'inemiley, of *me opirtions. TMs enanalla for leihold (Mr. Gronlbouns) socialioe all other Associations would be suppressed, and that such it necessary to have those assemblies that the Hon. Gentlemar
-•.- ' and " 'could make pabeimeee' sow theetertesse• stied that the Roman Catholic Meats Wets Midi to lOW Mt icmy a measure would therefore be the most likely to forward the ques. had scoffed at. lie considered them the safety-valves of the
sons •'., . ••• quarrelling in a Op. totenlasid swim •of Sweety thousand Cathodic ;collation. and that they_ kitexerted don of Catholic Emancipation. The vote, therefore, he should Constitution. Bet the lion. Gentleman had asked. was it no
.st • : e was anxious that di goat pasedos et limmeei• eh, Ildimmee which they Teemed in 0 Manner whit* the Right give against the Association. so fir from prejudicing the claims of the furnace, and not the safety-valve ?He (Sir Francis) re.
not be mixed ap ia On Male, he setresselseml bleseemble &Meter COY not Opprove. The Attorser.Othend the Roman Catholics, would be the most effectual means to for. plied, " No." lie saw the furnace beneath, and that was Ire,
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of eftemose of.. Ameedifitipi..im iisoloalsog that Me ROMS* Catholic Pritithood• were a ward them. lard. (He still hoped that the Catholics of Ireland and En land
ail • tt, Mats a fair ground tif jeelMlijr. Be Apilii^ Mamma We wbbillabess foully calsamiated, and that theft enteduct on Lord ALTHORP said, that lie had paid the utmost attention to would observe a course of conduct, notwithstanding their cOum
Sid tle • Ali to refute the very otriad, adiumthe amilhilaY it. eeweiallsealiww was meet maltoeious. Hut what said the Under- the speech ottbs Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. V. Fitzgerald), but mated character, that would teach those who were opposed t
raiWi silde, Ily opposing to it the templets, saw of doe • deandam al Sion? shat the Influence of the Catholic Priesthood let bad not been able to discover in that speech a sin& argument them that they not only spoke the sentiment' and had chi
There was attemgre topic to which he wield alludes liven tea woe meet baleful aid malignant, and exerted for the most pernie in favour of the measure now before the House-not a single argu• confidence of sir millions of the people of Ireland, includini
eine mos tinadroned by an Hon. and Learned Geadomen 0p... ens, plumage. ems tho eridebee of Gentlemen connected man in "'Apposed the mode proposed for putting down the Cacho- the nobility, gentry, and clergy-with Protestants as well a
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posit* ( ineshlagtrm) last night-a ageing the Ulm- taillike*** ads soon obe fact, and yet the House lie Association--the proposal that they should be dealt with by a Catholics at the head of the list of persons favouring their view,
versity Clob. (A laugh.) It WAS really a ' s subject, but was millokepeta so. on the parole evidence of the Government, Bill of pains and penalna. It was necessary that the Bill intro. and pretensions, as would tend to throw out the paltry measure
he felt himself, aa Member for the Univeilley, bound to notice it. rather Aso ea ts. ducal into the House by his Majesty's Ministers should be the then before the Houle. When he saw the name of th,
The Hon. and Leaned Gentleman said, that a eau* book of a Me. GOU RN begged to explain the did not make the beat mode of putting down this Association ; and not only the best Earl Fltzwilliam, whose integrity, generosity, and hell
very improper description, " The Mandible of Harriet Wilson," statement witlembicio the Honourable Baronet had charged him; mode, but, as the Bill mu one against the liberties of the subject, character, were only exceeded by the ample fortune he pos
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be had taken the trouble to inquire, and found that there was no Alt. PLUNKETrYso desired to be better understood than it Catholic Emancipation. The Bill 'outlet' the way-bybertirs of the its motives were of a mischievous ten dency, or likely to dig
Such book to be found in the library. ( Cheers and laughter from appeared from what bad fallen from the Honourable Baronet that subject in a peculiar manner ; but though it might be the means of turb the general tranquility ? When he saw such men as the Eat
the Ministerial benchm.) At the mine time he was free to admit, Ibe had been. He bed said, and he begged again to repeat, in the potting down the Association is its present form, it must continue, lof Fingall representing the Irish Catholics, and the Earl Fitt
.e. .. ... e.--e •vooe ai.samss ....1 ...Janie manner_ that he considered the Cacho- under some shape or other, as long as the union of the Roman Ca. I william, at the h,sd of the English Protestants, each communi
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