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FINANCE.

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He tad not wont to hring
'Skothinci, for be looked upon him as a very ignment
man; but be thought that the House should ex-
press their opinion upon it, and he therefore would
regret that the Right Host. Baronet should with-
draw Isis motion.
Mr. 8RA661 BATHURST stated, that the Address
had found its way into the Gaselft from inadvet-
tency, and on that ground, and that ground alone,
ite thought th« House should rest mtisSed.
• Sir JOHN NIIWPORT would take the liberty of
sositesting that some proposition of this kited
should he niaile—natnely, that a certain papercon-
us g reflections on that House. had found its
way into the Gazelle through inadvertence ; and
that st dissysswal should be made on the part of
Mints:err, of the sentiments it contained.
L.sed CASTIERNAGR wished the blight ilooohr-
uLte Baronet would withdraw his 'notion till to-
morrow, to consider the hest rota.
Mr. Gomm* proceeded to remark on the trans-
action. He and that Ministers cried for mercy.
They seemed disposed never to exercise their privi-
lege» except in their own defence.
The question of adjournment to to-inorrovr was
then put and carried.

Mr. M ARCHLY isisiidtitsitili the attention of
the House to what he esumMered• a subject of the
utmost importance. It was for some pliers re-
lative to the finance affairs of the country. He
ruse to suave for an account of the ifeficiesey
of the Consolidated Fund. on the sth of January,
Itv2l, rod of the manner in which this deficiency
Ited been made up.—/Hear, hear, hear.)—
lie wished to call their attention to the Sinking
F I. We have nominally r Sinking Fuud of
seventeen millions, while its reality we have only
two minium, and that to meet I debt of between
eight lied nine hundred millions. We have had 'sow
ins years of peace ; nod all that we have is a Sinking
Fund of two niillems to meet this enormous debt.
auy mass suppose that a Stoking Fund of two
millions would ewer enable the country-to get into
that ceselition in which it could struggle with diffi-
culties P On a future occasion he should beg leave
to call the attention of the House to this Slaking
Fused. It was a mere fallacy. and he should endea-
vour to strip is of all its delusions and to expose it
in its real and true light. For, in reality, what is
tilfsiseking Food ? It is the -amount of our revense
eine our expenditure. He was anxious for a Sink-
ing Fund, but he should like to see it stripped of
of all its fallacies. He did not anticipate from the
King's Speech any great reduction in the eipeudi-
true. There were, indeed, some insiometione thrown
out about a reduction in our military establishment.
if the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (the Chan.
e, nor or the Exchequer) persevered in this system,
soot did not comatose, it was quite impossible that
any relief could be retooled to the people ; asel,ja
Isis opinion, the agritultorists would seen be apply-
ing for relief ; and relief could the Parliament
extend* but a reduction in the- taxation. If they
were to look to the price of grain now and what it
WU. 30 years ago, they would bud it pretty nearly
equal. And now their burdens sire tenfold, they
have additional reiit to 'say, besides direct and in-
direct taxation. it was impossible they could con-
tinue to exist under these occumulated rents. No
setter could then be extetided to them, except a
reduction in the taxes. The expense of collecting
the revenue was most exorbitant. Here it was
right per cent. ; in Ireland it amounted to nothing
less than 2 t per cent. Now, was it not a most enor-
mous sum that eight pounds out of every 100/.
should go into the pocket of the collector. In fact,
it was quite impossible that things could go on in
their present condition. The people will not be
longer able to endure their burdens, and they arc
net to expect any relief from the 'eduction of taxes.
The country will be unable to meet any emergen-
cies, either from war or any other cause. It ass
with these feelings that lie made his present mo-
tion, and be thought it right to do so, before any
supplies were granted ; and although it was per-
fectly easy to get those Acts penned, yet it seldom
happened that they could get them until near the
end of the Session.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
happy to state that the expenses of the present
year would be defrayed aithnut any loan of any
kind, and that period was now arrived which the
people wished fur so ardently, when there was no
necessity to menet to any loan, or to on increase of
taxes. In consequence of the depression of trade,
. a considerable decrease took place in the revenue;
and it must be consolatory to the House to learn
the real state of the trade of the country at pe-
ewee. The amount of exported British manufec-
turer, in the half year ending the Sth January,
1821, in the ports of London, Liverpool, and
Hull, exceeded the pnceding yeas by three mil-
lions and a half. • And he was happy to inform the
House that he saw every reason to anticipate a still
greater increase.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT could not help calling the
attentioh of the House to the enormous expense of
collecting the revenue m Ireland. There. where
trade is depressed to the lowest degree, the people
are bowed down with an overwhelming weight of
taxation, and those burdens are stall further in-
creased by the commons expense of collecting the
revenue. There Was one suhject connected with
these matters of which he had to complain, that
when an application is made for any papers relative
• ,to the subject, the Session is allowed to pass liter
Urlure the House is put in:possession of them. Ile
perfectly !unmarred with the Wm. Gentleman (.lr.
Moberly) that the Sinking Fund should he stripped
•of all its fallacies. Nothing could be more absurd or
unjust than to •hold out delusions to the people of
• : this sort, stating, that there it a real Sinking Fund,
whereas it is merely nominal. He hoped that Hon.
Member would persevere w his intention of Mali.

tenanting
not be s _ ;Siuking Fund be
dered what it reully and truly was, five
They all knew very well that the Right Hon. Ge-
ntleman borrowed the money at about three • pee
cent.; but when the half-yeses interest theasme
due, he found it iinposeibie to pay the dividends
without borrowing the money a second time.' He
would ask if it wan a ;super situation for the Go-.
imminent era country to be in, not to be Ode to
pay the claim of the publie creditor without going
to the Bank to borrow ? The Right Hon. Gentle-
man last year stated, that in a abort-time the ;lei-
citswy of the Consolidated Fund would eorvect itself.
He would now ask him, if the result had answered
his expectations--whether the hope • had been rel-
ayed which he held out at that time—whether the
delicieacy had not been greater in the last quarter
thee in the corraspouding gratal... the peetushine•
year--whether, in tact, the dolitiewep had net.siai
crannied from 8,500,000/. to 8,1100;0001. •
The Cliamcem.oa of-the Rica's-401a said, in.
reply to the observation of the Right Hoe. Banwitet,
respeeting the expense of the collection of there.
vitinre. he had great ratisfaction in being *tole to
state that a paving to a large amount 'had been ef.'
fecied by the regulations which had been lately
established. Ile Mid not any inanition at present
of turning into funded debt any part of the piesent
unfunded debt, tire titter not being greater than
the public creditor could conveniently support.
Whenever the actual sinking fund reached a given
amount. he thought it might then be advisable to
reduce the nominal talking fund, and lie looked
forward with confidence to the approach of the pe-
riod when that reduction might he practicable.
With regard to the ;arrangement for Meeting the
payment of the dividends to which the Hon. Mem-
ber had alluded, he did not think thit a wiser ar-
rangement could he adopted. aid he could prove
that a very large sum of tummy had been saved by
it to the public.
Mr. MASERI.I said, the Right Hon. Gentle-
man had stated that there was an airman is the
revruue; but the produce of the new taxes had
been estimated at 3,600,000/. while the amount
which they had really produced was only
2,500,000/. ; so that, iii fact, here was a deficiency
of 1,000,0001. With respect to the Sinking Fund,
he could tell the Right Hun. Gentleman that nest
tear it would most likely be less than it bail been
in the lost ; mid he would tell him the reason.
He had chased the expenses and interest of his
loans on the Consolidated Fund until that firm/
could bear it eio longer; and then he charged the
I expenses and interest of the lost year's loan
upon the Sinking Fund. But that charge would
not affect the Sinking Fund until next year ; so
that la all probability the real amount of the,
fund would be decreased next year instead of aug-
mented. He really way at a loss to at-comas for the
expeekation held oat by the Right Honourable
Geetleman of a continued increase in the revenge ;
hr could not isnauine how it could be fairly and
howestly calculated spots. He should be happy
if it remaisted as it now is ; and he thought it
was extremely sell, when the distressed condition
of -agriculture and the depression of commerce
were considered. With respect to the 6,000,0001.
borrowed of the Bank, hr would grant that the pub-
lic hail been benefited by it ; but was it mot a dis-
graceful thing that a fund regarded as sacred to a
particular purpose should have been diverted to
soother object t Its the year 1817 the deficiency of
the Consolidated Fund was i,600,000/. ; in the next
year there was an increase; in the year following,
there was a still greater decrease than the former;
sad at last we had • Sinking Fund of two million,
to pray off a debt of nearly 1000,000,12100/.
Mr. FIMIDPIG said, with respect to the prevent
state of the Sinking Fund, he fully concurred its
what had been stated by the Hon. Gentleman who
had just sat down. To enter into these compli-
cated accounts with this farce of a double Sinktug
Fund, so ss to make them intelligible to the House.
was quite impossible. Hr did not know any ob-
iect which the Right Hon. Gentleman could have
is view in retaining it but to resider the accounts
unintelligible. The Right Hou. Gehtleman sent
lie looked forward to the time when the nominal
Sinking Fund might be given up.. He could not
conceive what objection he could have to give it
up
at once, and by coming to the real Sinking
Fund. let the House understood the real state of
the public accounts. It required a person of eousi-
dirsible utidt rounding and experience in accounts to
comprehend them, mud many persona who were very
conversant with the nature of accouaits in general,
found themselves totally incapable of understood-
ing them. With respect to the Right Him. Gen-
tleman's expectations of improvement in the
reveuur, he could not understand bow it was
possible that the existing agricultural and costumer-
cud distr hould continue. without their effects
being felt its the revenue of the country. He would
recommend the Right Hon. Gentleman to apply
his munition to the simplification of the accountt,
as it was absolutely Preciosity fur rendering die*.
intelligible.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the inerease of Ibr ieveime in the last luslf-year was
greater than he ninembend to have ever lowan it
before, mid front the Reports of she Revenue
Board, lie lied every resiou to hope that it would
eulitlinlir to isicirtvw. iViih respect to what had
been said by the Hon. Gentleman ■s to the pro-
priety of a sunvlification of the accounts, l►e fully
concurred with the Hun. Gesitlemuu in the pro-
priety of sucl► a measure, if it were psar•ticable
but he really thought that the course recommend-
ed by the Hon. Member would only render the
whole manse of the accounts more perplexed and
uuititelligible; he could not, therefore, but think
it more swum to continue the present fonn.
211 r. PHILLIPS said, he really did believe that


ble of deer arrangement *.
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eveninK convinced bins if possible emote thaw any
thing which he had Mord before. that the icenottis
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or the meats., were to mien
uo man cook' poreibry moderstinit[them.
The CNA NaiLLoa of the ElCllsOmt explained.
that they were mad* up agreeably to certain forms
which had beets long in nee, and if airy other •
forms were adopted, any comparative statement
referring to former accounts would become wholly
tat s i 000 elligible.
Mr. Gesn FILL said, that the Right Hon. Gen.,
Ilenisr.'s paternal sissies, fur the double occouitt
of the real and the nornitsal Sinking Fund was
perfectly natural, the luireation being entirely
his own.
The CHM:SLUM of the ExcuEsueu said, its
had been recommended originally by Mt. Foe, and
the suggestions had afterwards been approved of 4;4
Mr. Pitt.
The motion was then put and carried.
Mr. MAIIIIALY then moved ler an Account of
Ithe sums of money applicable to the reelensptiou.'
of the Public Debt of the United Kingdom, die-
' tinguivhing that of loglaad from that of Ireland,'
foe the year ending the Mb January, leen :
for au Mamma alb, total amount of the Uure...,,
deemed Debt of the United Kingdom. with the
charges for metioging the same, separating that of
Ireland from that of England.
The Cuaecst.Loa of the Eictsseuaa begged
to state, that the Hun. Geotlemen was incorrect in
the statement be had gives in an earlier part of the
everting of the 0113011164 of the debt.
Mr. MAIIRLY said, he bad stated it at about
900,000,0001. The funded debt amounted to
800,000,0001. and the unfunded to 70,000,0001.
which, if funded at the present mice, would be
nearly 100,000,000/. awl hoth together would then
be little short of what lie had dieted.
The Cusricst.t.oa of the EXCIOEQUILI said, the
funded debt was certainly nearly 000,000,000/.
but the amount of the unfunded debt was only
30,000,0001. instead of 70,000,0001. as stated by
the Hon. Member, and if honied at the present
time, would add 40,000,000/. to the amount of
the funded debt.
The motions were then agreed to, aa were also
teens! others for papers of a similar uature.
Mr. MAURICS FITZOBRALO moved fur a copy
of the Order of the Board of Excise of the 42d of
July last; on the subject of Irish spirits.
PROVISION FOR THE QUEEN.
Lord CAOTLIREAGII moved the Order of the
Day fur cousideriog the Report of the Committee
of Supply, recommending a prueirion to be muade
for the Queen.
The Report being brought up and read—
Mr. HuLuaStrussa rose, mid 'knit, that when
. the House was in the Committee he hod moved to
reduce the sum proposed to 90,000/. and be now
rune ref the purpose of renewing 0186110601 i. In
the course of the obmwrrations which he Ind made
so that act:mien, he bad certainly been kd by the
itnpetuesity of the debase into expression* which lie
had much rather that he bad riot isserl..(//ear./
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite had
',forged him with entertaining opinions directly at
varieties with the principles of British jostler. The
Member s. eased to think Oa becoose he
Mr. IL Soosore) had not been present during the
*hole of the inquiry. he was snit qualified to judge
of the evidence,_ or to pronounce us to the Moo*
ceoce or guilt of the Queen. But he thought that
any man who wiss prevent ue the day when Lieutt-
giant Hownain wive his evidence, and had read the
whole of the proceeding* as they were published,
could form u correct opinion. He was, however,
willing to set entirely out of the ewe the whole of
the evidence which had been produced in support
of the charges liguiest her, and to rest his judgment
solely on the testimony of Lieut. Howsieur ; and
he felt completely justified by that testimony in the
opinion which be had pronounced of her guilt.
He did not think it sale to intrust her with so
large a sum of money at her own clispossl, as that
which the Resolution of the Committee proposed,
awl he therefore now moved that the words
" thirty thousand" be substituted fur the words
"fifty thinipanid" in the Itesulution.—(Hear,
Mr. BROVGILIAIII said, the Muse would name•
diately perceive that he did nut rise to offer any op.
position to the motion of the Hon. Member. Who.
thew the sum stated were fifty, or thirty, or twenty,
or ten thousand, was to him and' to the colleagues
with whom he had the honour to he associated in
her Majesty's legal counsels, a matter of absolute
indifference. Her Majesty had positively declined ;
to feceive any sum whatever, and it was therefore
to her and to them perfectly indifferent what was
the sunount voted.—(Hear, hear.)—W ith respell
to those expressions in last night's debate, to which
the Hon. Member had alluded, after the candour
. which the Horiontable Genileinau had shewir to
his ackiiowledgment of their impropriety, he
should be the last man in that House to re•
wive the remembrance of them ; but he must
put it to the sense of the Hon. Member and
I of the House, whether it could possibly he endured%
that, night after night, as had been dime, nut only_l
hthe Hots. fileitiber fur Surrey, but also by others,
they should rake oat parts of the evidence whit*
had been given Whore another court, and that upOn
such parts and scraps of evidestee so detached they
ahouU found repeated smertimie of her Majesty's
guilt. This hail been dune eight after night; but
he would now say, that it was a practice which
could no longer be suffered.—(Loud cheers./—•
Her Majesty either was, or was not acquitted.
If die was acquitted, she ought to he treated au-
cordiegle, and no mass had a right to say that she
was guilty ; if she were not acqt;itted. then why
did not the prosecution go on?—(Load cheers.)—
Ii they were not satisfied with what had been done,
why were not the proceedings reguhrly pursued iu
that House, and evidence laid before it to prove
her guilt ?—(Hear, hsar.)—Let them again bring
forward the chargm, let them again go into the
proof, and her Majesty would be prepared to inert
them —(Load cheerisog)—bat let not such foul,
such unsupported assertions any longer be dealt iii.
—(Load cheering.)

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upon artb;ensiceo.in
land-pit- Onces anti tit-itlviili.,-perhaps, it tislitht not
he altogether regular to allude, he, on his con-
science, believed her to be guilty.-e;(llear. hear.)—
He-was toot to he deterrid (mitts' the iivoitcal of his
otsinion by the frowns of Potrere, nor.the !runts of
legal coutidences nor by moiler 1llroour.;--(11ear.)
He did nut wish to pooh (natters too far—(LaNgh-
, sel)—Alai as a representative of the British people,
he could not couseut that so large a stint of the
public money should be so applied.. • He dill not
feel it safe—he slid bit know whet might he the
consequence of such n pant. It was 4.11 known
to 'patsy persons in this country, that the person
wins had figured so constiietiously in. the late
proceedings—be meant the courier Variant—it
was. he repeated. well known io this cinitstry
that that • person hod been for some time living
in Paris in a style of pmfuoicni more Ix:com-
ing the state of any Nobleman of this coun-
try than one of his mean condition. Ile knew
not whence the funds were derived by which that
extravagance was to be supported, lie knew not
who was to furnish the supplies. Were they to be
furniilied by the Btitish House of Cottonton*? I-k
felt it to be his duty to prevent it if possible, anal
he should therefore support the motiou of the Host.
Member far Surrey, and he hoped the Hon. Mem-
ber would divide the House uputrit, if he took only
him (Sir T. B out Ohi; with him.
Mr. Cultwem depretatett the habit of using such
expreseioue as had been but too often heard, with
110 other object than that of lowering the character of
her Majesty. He had been as anxious as aity.lll.ll to
push to the greatest possible exientevery eitikase.ur
to effect a savilig of the public money ; but lie
could nut think the present A proper occusiou fur
such ass attempt. Ile thought it utifiiir in princi-
ple to found such an endeavour on sit argument of
her Msjrsty's guilt. If any opinion of that own
existed among Gentlemen in that House, he thought
the proper course fur thrust° pursue was Out which
had been Pliesstiolt.4l by pier Majesty's Attorney-Ge-
neral, via. to proceed with the prosecetiots ligation
ker. Vt'itli respect to the Message ufher Majesty to
that Rouse, he isiehisted to attribute it rather to her
advisers thou to her Majesty herself. The fellolo-••
11011 which it expressed was ate in whirl) he should
be sorry that she perseveres!. There was is, it a
magnanimity that met the ear, but of which lie
did uut approve. But he thought, that 'Planner
objection might be felt to that Message, it.was
ton much to ground thereon such • construe-
. as had ben' put Moos it. Ile did lint
like to are those agitations kept *up, which
only peeved to put off the discussion of those
queitious of deep and vital interest, which the
state of the country rendered it Opponent to
• hiing under consideration us speedily as possible.
On • former occasion lie had voted for the smallest
sum ploposed, as a grant to members of the Royal
Family, to teach them a proper sense of that eco-
'Homy, which, in the present burdened slate ot the
country, it was expedient that they should learn
to practise; but whets he saw such • question
mixed up with iniastive, he should never be
brought to entertain it for a moment.
Mr. WESTERN said, if it were to be permitter!
to any matt to rise its that Howie, and to -say that
the Queeti was guilty, that House would be • place
ohne the grossest injustice was tolerated. He did
regret that such expiessions should be used, be-
cause the people would perceive in that House a
departure from all those principle:sun which Mei-
tioli justice was founded.
Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD trusted that the
spirit of economy which had un this occasion been
displayed by the Host. Gentlemen oppoeite, the
Members for the counties of Surrey mid Susuerrets
would continue to tuotuate them on every fu-
ture necusiois. He could not, however, avoid ex-
pressing his opinion that the warmth they bad dis-
playeel had been wholly inOapplied. It was trot to
that side of the House that they should have ad.
dressed their observations, but to his Majesty's
Ministers, to the Treasury Bench.—,Hear.)—
They the Oppositiolit ammonia! the resolution
on the *opposition of her having been acquitted :
they thought her innocent; his Majesty's Ministers
thought otherwise, but proposed the grant notwith-
standing ; those Ministers, therefore, ought to get
up to defend their own conduct in this case. If
Hon. Members would get up and make use of such
expreosiono as had fallen (ruin the Hon. Gentlemen
opposite, he trusted Ministers would rise in their
own sielence.—(ldeas, hear.)
Alt. !limn e SUMNER*, its explanation, said, that
lie had not moved his amendment uu the ground of
his opinion or her Majesty's guilt, fur he had ex-
pressly stated it to be Ins opinion that no vindictive
proceedings should be adopted in consequence of
what had occurred in the other House. Hut think-
ing that several of the Queen's Answers to Ad-
dresses presented to her, and the Message which
she had yesterday sent to the House, 'thrived her
wish to produce aim improper influence on the pub-
lic mind, he did not think it sale to intrust so large
a sum of the public money to her disposal.
Mr. SYKES said. that whenever a vacancy oc-
curred in the office of Moderator, he would 'teem-
' mend the Hon. Member to become a candidate.
He differed entirely from the lion. Member in his
view of the question, mid lie also differed from
Ilion its the construction lie had put mom her Ma-
jesty's Answers to the Addresses. That House
was not bitting to consider of a scale of reward or
punishment, adapted to a case of supposed guilt or
innocence, but to eun-ider wl at was • proper and
pitting allowance fur a person in her high and
rxaltcd station. With teal:eta to that on which the
opinions of the whole people had been so stiongly
ispressed,the insertion of tier name in the Liturgy,
in his opinion her Majesty had a right to demand
it, and he thought that, sooner or litter, it must be
acceded to. Thus able legal view which the nun.
mid Learned Member for Oxford had taken of the
question, had carried conviction to his mind of the
right, and the strong expression of the public opi-
uu
him
scelluat otYlunoloPritrieetussietilideel tier ultimatelytHhotulitem e yielded.I
fehstetilyaertiw" it
convicted, and on the other, that she was acquitted.
la Isis optitiou she ought W be placid lit the sane

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condittan se if she had serer been accused,.
(Hear. hear.)
Mr. Alderman Wood said he *hook! content
himself with replying to the Hussouratale M rather
for Surrey, with one celestial,. Ile had told the
Gentleman !twilight before, that if he would
heitallpiruppy..qousitid oflterAlirey's to tiw
fielMe.-Atelernints Woodl would' orrlrtirle
that they olsouhl be paid. .fle.wished SUM to tiny
whet/met he iloooorabla Aleroberlusdjulitejp.c.ket
any &mind% tsPoii. her Majesil?r-4eili.fillicrsh-.
lie would pause fort reply—t. +OA y ,fil-
dernom sat dorm. and Armee tlon., littitber loft
it) address the House. when ~Pr. Attar' Wirral
roof again got up aptitl),T)se lion.it-miser fu,
Surrey not lisiviog orrYqeriarec.eo, make to
.his
(piny, he hod rtusteelotiomielli him,,,(Lottr( elver..
ing.)...llut be hail sousetisitog to safer in lunar,' 1...
the observations of another 'Honourable Aleurbee.
The House now heard Irmo the /*leather for the
county of Somerset That he twat heard of tarsi; nun
of money expended by Bergami. lie hoped :I ;u
he would be prepared to-mono« to spew what stun..
had beers sent him. He challesiged him to pros,-
that one shilling had gone hum Iressce.—(liersr.)-
That individual was et Paris at the express desire•
of the Learned Gentlemen (in whose.presenue he-
HUM spoke it), her Majesty 's legal Wlris►r., is,
order to leave been called to this country
.if the
floss. aleusher stet those who thought with him had
dared to have brought the Sill into that Hume-.
Had that been the core, the Hou. Member
perhaps have beers gratified with a sight of the gen-
tleinaso.—(lleue, hear./—He had now done with:
both the Hors. Gentlemen, sad would turn to the
Noble Lou,i to ink hint a question similar to
those he hail just put. He bad seen the.
Noble Lord wading lest night from a hook
aimilw to we which he. held in his lierol.
Noble Lord had read it as the Queerer onsorrisitie
City of Caistethory Address, and the prosat4e pre-
euliArly marked was the following :—" I trust the
period wit) arrive when I shall be able to promote
the lispomeos of my subjects." A recousl assayer
hied, " I shall be glad to mske my people happy."
The question he would ask the.Nohle Lord *as—
Ilad he ever seen those passages in writing in awe
pryer coming from the Queen as her Majesty',.
ensurer ? They were, he believed,
,etated to Ise
the answers of her Majesty to the deputetions at
Dover and Casitertsury ; but, in fact, thine
answers were say short, and were given ver—
bully; according la his recollection (arid he was
.Ittelient at the time) the words spoke's were sane-
'tleisig like, arid were there--" It would be a great
pleasure to one to make all the pi' ople happy."—
(Heusi', hear.)--iler Majesty, was in conversation
with the deputations some time, and wore might
save •been said ; but there was um written Adders,
in which such phrases occur, and he challenged.
the Noble Lord to paint out any such.
Lord Low-num merely rose to state, in comets.
ratarti of what was asserted by the Menlho
for Somersetshire, as to the style and manner of lir..
irig of Bergaini. , He was pointed out to him, stet,
bas equipage, servants, and all about his modnsf
living were of the most magirificeut style. )ii•what
way he got the funds be could cwt 'ay, but the fact
of his living in that style he could affirm.
Mr. BROUGHAM and, that in consequence of the
Hon. Akteraisan's reference to him, he could state.
that it was entirely by his direction, in conjenctiou
wi)lt his Learned Colleagues,that the individual
alluded to was brought from Italy to Paris. He
had heat residing on his feria in Italy, sad he war
brought to Parris, there in case the Bill should have
come into that House, lie might have been sent
for had they thought fit to call him. That he as-
serted of his own knowledge. Wish respect to the-
scale of expenditure of that iudividuai he knew nos
thug, but lie did know that if he should hare
spent is great sum of money while in attendance as
the call of the legal advisers of her Majesty, lie
was Hot the only witness who had made u stw.let ex-
penditure,
Lord Caset.caeson said, that he was SUrpfifotii;
the Hon. Alderman should have called 111/011 111111.
Who was neither in the service or confideoce of hes
Majesty, to produce the written answers of her
Majesty ; so that the Hon. Alderman might very
safely give the gallant challenge lie had dune. Fie-
thought there were other thiugs inure serious these
the rlsodommitades which bad Inert read; and he

thought the Hon. Alderman would have been °era-
pying his time better than giving challenges, if he
had corrected the press of that production from *hid.
the quotation was made. lie would nese read an-
other instance, in order that the Hon. Aldermac
might Correct the error in the next edition (oil
which he understood the world was shortly to be
favoured) of there precious doctrines, moral, poll
tical, and religious. The Noble Lord then read at
extract from the Queen's Answer to the Wands-
worth Address of the 13th October last—•r No.
Queen was ever more easy of access to her people
than I have been." But these were trifling ob-
jections cotupared to others; his obiectiou oas
the whole of the system, as laid down iu ti
Answers to Addresses.
A Member, whose name we could uot Irani.
cotnpleitted that Hon. Members had no right '
tweet the proceedings against her Majesty 4114
•• cemetited by penury." The lion. Member
termed the House to a retaliation on their Journal
in which the Hoti•e of Cumenoass returned the
thanks to Queen Anne fur Issuing directed tt
name of the Pier:tom of Hanover to be inserted
the Litutgy; that bring the fact, how could it w
be contended that the insertion of her Msje
name was purely niimatesial ?
Mr. DENMAN Sditip that un the question
her Majesty should he allowed a larger ur a simr:l
sum, he felt it contadetireg the relativ,
in wlndi he stood to her Majesty, to give an,
opinion ; but hr found it quite impossible to lira,
the sort of latiguage used by Grittlernen on the
other tide. tilsont calling the ittstvition oldie Bourse'
to ir. Ile approached it with regret, feeling, as he
dud strongly, she pro-locution which her Nlayes:v hart.
undergone. The ilersecutors had not withdrawn
their persecution horn any favour for her Majesty:
had prudential motives mixed with their drcisitio.
SO far it was tree from blame; but yet the party
accused was entitled to the fullest benefit of the
acquittal. Whatever bomber of Peers had cotne
to a vole ots that a-civic'', he had a right to con-
sider them only at individuals expressing an 010111011
which might yet be questioned. He should lake
to know what chalice the Queen trued I ave hid

Time, As set 'West and nocoostftuthssi lass- ' tags/ es is :. ! It so bet -1
Runge ?—f Holt. J—He thought it was thesauri es- • • • • dors as dist •-4
it vie 04
traordioary lengesge for the Ministers of the Crown respect •-••• . .
.p,i„.. .; ... ..i tre. ' I-
to saaction with their approbation. He thought it Right -t . , . . 2,-. s .
was a matter that should be brought before the to .• • • -' 'it . -
Hesse same as a matter Of impeachment than a knee that. these -exhorts` creepiest ly took' rili4itfut •
Drench of privilege.—(lewd obeys.)—He aid not the entire ruin of the exporter, sad that no return
'. *Lail Ibtliokls-Joittd Aket..thieJosistiouts Iwasaki .iiia.made-to die .coasaily.. ... • . . . - ... ~,,. :..- . -
• hove done. If isideed-be Simi driPoied to eater a Mr. Promos GRINVILL observed, that the
proper apology a. the Journals of the Heuer, then Sinking Fond was merely delusive. HeSinki would
tudertllbeillkuese.mijiht feel iodised to seceptit. auppose that there welly. was a searisat ng
:He biped he Walla nut be considered as pressing Fund of seventeen millions, and he would ergo
this Issuer issidisseiy, but realty he thought that suppose that the rod Sinking Fund assoooked to
the matter slimilst not be palsied over so lii hily. fire asilliosis, iostved of two; .still•he wee at a loss
He did not waist to bring op the Refl. Pharos°, from to know why the twelve ',:Vises reuisioinig 'should
..ai .. , • , i__l...J ..—.. 4...... ... a yr/nil ionewoot , not be struck -off, slid the Sinking Food be coSsi-

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ither the RightAr fee ni0,60 nerAny Abet - 4.
. . . • Laillididat Ili . .. ,
, e
Gentleman RC- . , ••f• I ing his ~. '. • 4 t
~ 111 l' ..
accounts: • iid it"neerW• WIWIN;W; it ' ' lice whic ' 1,.... 'a "in
accounts slowid usirbatlll cliegrillht,Lll4el i y . ' oface--(" Hew', ""r , d • jw. : :::)
"ed II dive or sot PA's' Imilin: kali,- .At the representativi a a 'forge portion or the
coout of millions season easily kept and as isnicepti- people of this couatry, he felt it his duty to declare
ble of clear arrangement as of thousands. What that upon that evidence which.hadifeeosisen
°in