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lion on purpose to gratify her. But why should
a Minister of State go to an ally- and state all
this, except he thought it would form the ground-
work of !WSW proceedings? The Noble Earl
Lad allowed that on pansy might take a part,
if the corms-'rut authorities sere with them ;
but what were the competent authorities but
the G iicriimeti• itaelf ? .That was the grievance,
and did the Noble Lord expect the grievance would
complain I,r itself? He hoped this circoingauce of
the array would act as a warning to deapots, to teach '
them that they could not rest on the sawri and

bayonet, without the risk of that power turentig
against th, twelve*. The Noble Lord says, it is
not the coliese which this country ntirstn-d ; but
sight not King John (to go back to Ala.tiia Charts)
sow, es well as Ferninand, that it wa- mgvinst his
will; and was it not in effect dome by force ? But
that with respect to the Foreign Power* was on
ground of iaterfereisce ; the inspire goes wit- the
h`jsons winch the despots did assigo, and chooses
to vamp) one which they had not thouaht
case of Sicily, in which, if correct, the Noble
Lord hsd stattul wei a great injustice on the part
of Naples. But had he not stink some of the facts?
What was the Coustitutiou of Sicily at that time ?
It was the Colutttution of the King, in whom was
sated all the authority of that Lonatitntrust. What
was the situation of the King when he came from
Sicily to Naples? lie came with a Constitution so
, which he had *worts (slot that he (Lord Holland)
laid mach street on that), which had Ist•en framed
under the senction, cud with the concurrence of
this country, awl Lis first set was to suppress that
Cons itutiun, Where was the Noble Earl's sym-
pathy for the Sicilians then ? lie littered to
complaint, he made tio remonstrance, but all
was reserved till the people of N odes did
something which the people of Sicily distil-
proved. This ors certainly a strange grouiid
tier interference for oil our, but more par-
tierlotly for an Englishman, who piqued hituseif
on his ottechment to the priticiples of liberty.
The Noble E hail then touched upon the Car-
b wort, but he had dropt the origin of them ; yet
kit thought secret soci.ties were not a soffit:tent
reason to tcanaut foreign iitterference, but if
those societies were too confined to the coun-
try in which the revolution happens, then it pas
otherwise. The Noble Earl had all through con-
founded that which gave a right of forcible in-
terference, and that which gave only a right of re-
monstrance ; but if the people of Naples had done
any thing which was offensive to Austria, the latter
had never notified it to.her, and so far she was a
violator orall public law. The Noble Earl lied said
there was a great difference between Spain and
Nople., yet if he (Lord Holland) were nut inisin-
fortnetione Spanish Revolution took place long be-
fore that of Naples, hut by similar Weans. The
Pretest int religion was disseminated by secret
correspondence, and was at first, and still is, one
of the groituds of complaint against it in Roman
Catholic countries. But could the Spanish Convt itu-
sion,with all its defects, be composed to that which
preceded it? Was there a man to England so dead
to liberty that lie could Janke the competition? The
NOble Earl had charged it against the Neapolitans
that they were ignorant of the Spanish Constitution.
which they ha'd adopted; but what if they were ?
They took the only free Constitution witch they
knew bad been adopted and approved of by a pro-
life of the vim- religion as thermrelves. Russia
might say that the Spanish Constitution was one
with which she could not maintain the relations of
peace and amity, though that was not now the

complaint; it was not paid there was too much de-
mocracy in it, but the objection was to the anode
in which it had been obtained. That was it strange
objection; but in whore mouth was it put ? Why, of
one who ihcended the Throne vacated by the murder
of his father. With what face, then. could they talk
about their love fur any constitution, and how could
they expect sny crwdence utiles% inatilind were such
brutes its they would make them ? The mode iii
which the contaitution was obtained waa objected to
by one who succeeded a father murdered—justifiii-
bly, lie %Amid allow, to which, if he were not a

and he (Lord Holland) believed him to be sincere.
But he would ask, 'would' declaration from this
country, such as she ought to have made, have had
'no effect on Austria or Naples? It was well known
that one great part of the ways rind means of
Austria was, that she carried Greet Britain in her
pocket ; that was the language, though not to be
found in documents. Ile fancied he could see the
German smile which would mantle on the face of
' Prince Metteroicli whilst reading the incompre-
' hensible paper on the table, but from which he
would by some chemical process extract the
conclusion, that it did not contain the real seers
timent• of the British Government. The notion
that Great Britrio was a conniver at the up-
pression of Naples, tool that she would ope.ate as
a check to the territorial aggrasatlisemeut of Aus-
tria, was all to the advantage of that culinary,
whore moral strength consisted iu being iu eih,Ptce
with this country. -The policy which his Majesty's
Ministers had adopted, even if only eroativonee,
Veal nut roily directly Contrary 10 our ancient
system, but to the sentiments of the Noble 'Lord
himself, as mirrored nt the close of the last
war in that liaose. He would not go into the
great question which agitated the two great parties
of %Viiig and Tory ins the last century, as to whe-
ther this country oing;it to interfere in continental
politics: that was on longer a questions ; the die
was east, and we could now only maintain our dig-
nity and independence by exercising au influence
on the Continent of Europe. There were but
two mesas by which that influence could be oc-
quired (God forbid that he should disparage the
army of Englund and the Noble Duke oppositt),
but yet he mnat respoat there were but two means—
money sod character; he knew no other. Charac-
ter and influence had always sluice the reign of
Henry VIII. and Elizabeth been the ground-
woi k of all the influence which we had on the Con-
Intent of Europe. It was by seizing the spirit of
the tunes, and holding ourselves up its the
liod-
Mark that we mainisitied our influence. Quern
Elizabeth, with that rinickness of perception which,
outwithstunding all her defects, made her the
greatest woman that ever interfered with political
effsits, made herself eminent by placing her-
• self at the head of the Protestant interest in Ess•
rope. She had, perhaps, no partiality for tt e
religious opinions of the Protestants, but she per-
ceived the spirit of the times, and acted accordingly.
The contrary policy was pursued by the Stuart
family, and Enigletitl, instead •f being respected,
became the laughing-stock of Europe. The reli-
gious spirit had been socceede.l by the spirit of
political improvement, a spirit winch should be
guided, 114 checked. It was not the superior
bravery of the French ntinieg, but the popularity
of their cause, that led to their first groat cur.
cesres; but when the Usurper (to follow the Noble
Earl's phraseology) chose to interfere with the in-
dependence of Spain, and became unpopnl it in con-
sequence of that atrocious proceeding. the tide isn-
mediately ran the other way. When that great man
(fur flow he was in misfortune he would cull hint so)
.as he truly thought lam, made that ainempt, there
was not a !non in England but felt indignation, and
the Noble Lord himself admitted that then opinion
look a Writ. and he attributes it to optnion that
the power of Napoleon was overturned. With that
admission would he say that the popular opinion of
Europe, which had-such an effect in time of war,
has no effect during peace ? Did he mean to say
it was nothing when war occurred (for occur it
would), that we went into it with the common feel-
ing and opinion of Europe in out favour ? We had
by remonstrance an opportunity of placing ourselves
at the head of popular opinion. The Carbonan i, whose
hotter history the Noble Earl had only looked at, were
• the children of those secret societies, established in
Germany for the purpose of shaking off the yoke
of France, and establishing a system of liberty
instead, and to that they were encouraged by every
Government in Europe, with the exception of
Austria. lie must do her the justice to say, that
she never promised any thing liberal, and
certainly she hind never performed any thing of
the kind. ‘Ve had now taken good care to show
to the people of Europe, that which we hail al-
ready shewu to the people of Spain (whose liberty
was fostered by ourselves). we had taken rare to
spew that we did not take too much interest in
their calamity. He would not say it tea/ the coo. ;
but certainly it was generally supposed on the
Continent that this country was one of the
great causes which prevented all the attempts
made by other nations at political improvement.
Could tiny man who knew any thing of the pro•
ireedings of Austria, or who, lor n 1110111 CW,, re-
flected on the whole proceeding, doubt for not in-
slant iltit such was the view taken of onr conduct
lit this case? There could not for a moment:exist
any other opinion than that the hostility of Austria
towards Naples hid been excited by the apple-
!tension of the spreading of those principles try
which the revolution had been brought abontio
that country, into the neighbouring States.. which
it heW at present in subjection. Aml be, fin his
own part, had no hesitation in avowing Ida feeling
on the subject, Colt tile's they crook! give the
people of Italy free won...emotive constitution...,
or considerably amended the snootier in which they
administered it, he would not give five years' pur-
chase for their authority over it. But what a prints
diple was that to admit, that in proportion to the
misrule and oppression of any Government at
lie, it was enititled to interfere in !setting doom
as. attempts at improvement in the internal *dens
nistration of thin: athuirs of othernstious? What-
ever might be the difference of opinion, whatever
the declarations, whatever the votes or their Lord-
ships, be was confident there was not L Matt ill the
lobby of that Monte, wins, laying his hood on his
heart, would not express Ins ailiorreiree of this in-
terference. Let the danger light where it might,
every mart who wished to exertlise influence or use
the power winch he ptoores44.l.• te.eheek••the spirit
of tlPC'tillnell, In to thwart the' progrets of a peo-
ple towards the improvement of their condition,
he heisrtity prayed lie might—he sincerely trusted
be would linnielf cverwheluted in the conflict.
Lord ELI. 111.; BOROUGH said that great as was his
respect• and -veneration for the talents and ekperi-
voice of the Noble Earl who made the motrusi, and
the Noble Berner who had just .-at thorn, •yet' look-
ing at the whole or the 'circtilitstances of this case,
lie could not help coming ref a Jetv different cons
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party--
Lord Hmutowac said he considered such lan-
guage could hardly be justified against any Sove-
reign, whether we were at war or in peace with him.
Lord HOLLAND said, the guilt of • Build
Personage was in itself itn extreme indecency. He
considered it a had augury, when a Peer of Parlia-
ment should rise to call him to order for alluding
to it ; of this be was sure, that if by it temporising
policy in this country, the Sovereigns of the North
were suffered to pursue their design., it would
soon beceme part of the orders of the House that
such suspicions should aunt be expressed. As tt
was displeasing to the President of the Council,
he would not again mention auspicious; but of
this lie was sure, that he ascended the throne alter
tie murder of his father, from that throne whence
not one of the Czars, since Peter the Great, had
descended, without violence to his person. Thus
shine why had no conftitutiou but the will of
one man, complained of the manner in which
sine bad been obtained so recently by the Ne-
lipolitans. What reasons of vicinity hail the
Itic,ians or Pruasiaus which we had not ? The
reasons given were not that or the Noble Lord,
hut because the Constitution was obtained by
force. It might be against the orders of the House
rn expreff the indignation %%jib which he was tilled,
hint it was a (titling which would pervade the breast
,if every Em4iisinusii country.
Another ground on fehh.T. aid' proceedings were
suspicious, they were the couuterport of those
which took place ln•fore the commencement of the
nose teliniitous war in which England was ever
.o.iged. Before the war with revolutionary
kue:!ii.e,. there was the same dread of secret
-4 even a iitlicultius coincidence that
"entry notleeeist a reduction, with great profs-
sous of peace; yet it ended in this country be-
coming a printipal is-war to which we had not
the atichirity at first' . ilsclare ourselves a party.
Naples, he was/mere, was of tlie 'panic curse.
*mote in the Knit of Europe as re:trulutionary
Femme, but the little policy pursued by our 'Mi-
nisters towards Naples was a cub of the same
litter. He balk/red that nothittg.could save Eu-
rope froes• war, and Englaiid from beings patty.
rxeopt•tite expreaaion of the opinion of that
Move slid the country. Tile Noble Lord sajs,

of the Noble Earl or the Noble Baron. He
[bought- that it was not so much the interest of
Kings as of Nations to protest against revolutions
!Kings
about by the military ; because the etic-
teis of such nn enterprise would tead to encourage.
them iu similar attempts at change whenever it
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suited their own particular views or convenience.
It w'is the interest of nlriiva to protest again t
such revolutions, herause there was id) safety for
liberty or promeefinit for any Constitti.
non from similar cont.ukoms, wherever the mili-
tary assumed the right of acting ill thew without
the previously expre.,wil opihion of the
lie iii„„ght it wary the hottoden duly of his Ilajes-
ty's Ministers to p-olest :toy revolu ion
'Wrought about in aittli a rii.rtimr, and Iry such
mesas as that of Natmlm'r Write!' rliCemcd nuvil eF4-
Il'ential ly front that mif Sietio. The Noble Ertl
.Mad stated it to be a coattimustiomi of the former
Government, but he begged ',awe to refer their
Lonl-rhips to the circitinsinuees erf !lie change which
hail been brought uhiout. Anil when he refl cted
nu the coincidence of the return from Sicily of the
route', with the time of the revolution, owl his
afterwards becoming the head of the Government,
lie could not divest himself of the,opititora that the
abject of the revolution' was time •dethr:miiertment of
she reigning King. With respect to the Alliance
of the Continental Sovereign., lie agreed with the
Noble Earl, and would go along writ Limn in re-
po-At:tattoo of the principle on which it oats fom med ;
what lie saw most detestable in that priociple was
this, that it was opposed to the msxion that Govern-
ments were formed for the beuellt of the governed. The
Circular of our Government required from that of A u•trit
en assurance that the attack WI apes was nut intended
for the purpose of any territorial aggrarillosement, but
merely as a measure of seltdefenee agatosil the inflornee of
the example upon neighbouring Slates. Tins be thodglil
st sufficient remonstrance on the part of our G.versiment
against any improper ambition. But the set of malcuti.
tents which brought about that revolutiou, were united in
principle wills the malcontents of every country um Ernope,
who were hostile to all regular goverumenti it therefore
was competent to a neiglihoto lag rower to object to the go.
vertinietit remaiuing in the bands of that sett. There wire
only two course' which Ibis country could pnrgie; that of
silent neutrality, ur of rensuosiranc.. backtil by war. If
t'cerr were on the part of this country any dispositi to
war, motleys it poseeesed the means also, a remonstrance
would be of no avail; sad if we passesiod the means a ill,.
out the disposition to go to war, remonstrance would be
equally useless. The Noble Baron might imen a minim.
'leaner strung es winds could maks might produce
the most powerful composition that literature could relit.
bit, but lus remonstrance, unless he wrote with the sword,
would prove of no avail. The Noble Lord enlarged upon
this topic, enforcing it by lite knowledge *lnch the conti-
nental tioverninetits must have, of lime want of disposition
on the part of this country, and of the omit of means and
resources on five gait of its Govirnment to sustain • war,
particularly in the reduced state of it. naval and other
establishments since the peace, which, by removing flout
their mind' ell Disprelivosions of a war, would incline 'him
to trial lightly :say remonstrance against their fixed re.
solve. • mid concluded that the less we sold upon lilt sob-
ject the better, for remonoratice only exposed the weak.
mess of a party oho *awed power to enforce it.
Lord CA ITHOIt l'E 11 gist the Circular of one Gavern-
remit any Wee but satisfactory. Ile complained of it
both for what it implied amid *hat it omitted. Ile could
not but feel that there had been • considerable deficiency
on the part of the Noble Secretaey who drew up that piper,
is asserting those principles which should it all limes men-
.hWe the interference oltiene tuition in the affairs of 11130011, r.
-There bad been a deficiency in surserting those principles
!better which the treaties entered tuft, at the effuse of the
Isle war had been concluded—treaties which hum their mint
!king cootracted with constitutional Govenimeuts, there
exited no power to guarantee the Upelilll,ll i f those
prits-
tiples which he believed to have actuated the ram ties at the
lime when they were concluded. The war tie nor pert
bad hero maintained for the preservation of the invaluable
blessings afforded by our happy Constitution, and •t
Hs conclusiou the principles of that Constitution should
have been partieulaily enforced is the treaties which
were catered into. ant the disavowal in lime Circular of
the iuterpretation put upon their treaties by the Allied
Powers of the Confiners', proved that sufficient foresight had
Mel been employed to prevent their being mistunletatood.
The Noble Lord proceeded to condemn the conduct of Mi.
-sisters in the affair of Naples as at variance with the prin..
ciples of our own Constitution, and violating the best feel-
tugs, of Englishmen.
Earl GREY said he could nut but say with the Noble Ba-
tten near him, that his ilisertiefactiou was not at all
lehtbed by the statement of the Noble Earl. He had said
Om the only policy for this country to pursue was that of
• strict itentrslity; but he had not ensile out that neutrality
which the Noble Rerun on the same bench with himself
Permed to have timid at. The Circular stated that flail Go-
vernment had expressed its disapprobation of the revolution
in the fiat illatallet. Tu whom was that disapprobatiou
communicated? To the States of Naples but to
Ilse comleined Power., who were 'boot to commit an aggress-
%ion upon Npales; and the comtnuttication was made at a
time when each a detlaration, if fl had any effect at all,
must operate as an encooragentent to the execution of
their designs. If the usual friendly intercoutse with one of
the parties Itad ceased—if the friendly communication which
before existed w•• suspetided—r Mae, from Ike Earl of
Lieeeremo—wee that to maintain a strict nentrality
The Noble Furl cheered at lite mention of a suspension of
friendly intercourse; but he would ark the Noble Earl wile.
then we he had, at this time, any accredited Minister at
Naples? Not iiimly was that necessary to the continuance of
such an intercourse, but it miss equally necessary that we
shatild have here an accredited agesit of the Government of
Naples. The Noble Earl had said that Count Ludolf was
the accredited Neapolitan hliniater. But was it nut moo-
rime, that the pours' of Count Ludalt had beet' re.
yoked ? Vas it wit notorious that re ince Cimitelll
bail been niipoin;tal to succeed him ? Hut Prince
Cimilelii hod beets refaced sus audience as the accredited
illisistir of Naples. He would ask on what principle it
Ise that this Government had refused to receive him, and
errosinuell to transact hostile * with Could Liololf, whose
rowers bad ceased ? Tihs omitting to renew the powers of
wee Minister at Napier, with the refusal to receive the
Primes Cimitelli ae at tiled agent, was au opera
virelattait of neutrality. It might have been amicable
to reniOnstrate with Naples un its conduct towsrili
Sicily. He hail nut heard of VIII II a representation be•
lug made; het a reprementation, rondetriliatory of the Re-
volution, hod been made, *Well was not iuserteil by the
Allicel Powers in any of their politic papers which
be had seen. He should have liked to see the tile.
amorist In the Minister at Naples, remonstrating against
the Revolution; he should have liked to see the me ttttt rim!
of Lord Castlireaxli rejected by the Neapolitan Govern:
West ; that would have been • novel spectacle. A repre-
rontstion mu Naples against the violence upon Sicily might
have proved sonar sort of • justifies!' fur the proceedings
Of Austria; but it had be, n attempted to justify nolo
palely on the ground of danger to be apprehended. It hail
been west! against the Revolution, that it was ffected by
the military, in a different enemier from that of Spain, modeled
by a sect of melcuotents, codsperating is principle with
iiealcunteuts of a similar desuiptiou'caltrnd throughout
Europe. lint to justify mi tatetferroce uu these groooda,
guide stronger proof would be required thus.. the mere
witerition of theft existence. In the same manner with
respect mu the army. The Noble Lurd did ant deity, that
the army most yield to the remonstrances and will of the
rat ; lost be cottsplained that nodeclaratiam alf the national
will hail preceded the operations of the army in this iust•nea.
The situation of the cou•try rtusiered stub a thing impossi-
ble; mot hurl it been otherwise, if the people di elated

upon' the claim of an nunranee that terri'oriaraggrtuilise.
meat was not the objets' (Atha raiiiemplaied aggression, and
we are called upou not to prejudge the qneettion; lint when
the Allied Powers were making preparation for attack, was not
that the proper time for iuterfering is the 'nevem, iiso of such
schemes: If they .neg:ected to do it then, and waited till
after the •Itack,. when the plans of aggraeolt•enient were
carried into effect, fur tear of prejudgmg, it would then
be too late Mistiaters, however, were ready enough to
prejudge the question between a King and Isis people,
hut when the ease lay betwe.a natinit and hidings, they
refrauted from int, (reciter for fe..r of prejudging.—
This was a srcinieu of the twseralile policy by which
this• ultimo was &mailed. He mum off. r a remark
or two sos the observations of the Noble Earl in de-
' fence of the aggreasiou. Ile said that the objet of the
• revolution was a change of the existing G•eei iiment ; but
he (Earl Grey) would coutewil that the Goveriosient was
content:eel. The Prince had been placed at the bead of its
administration in the some of the King. This substitution
was not entirely slew ; it was one of our own saggestion, fur
the preservation of the Consiitutiosi which tinder our
auspices hail been established iii Sicily by Lord W. Bristiuck.
The Noble Baron bad argued, that utiles% Ministers hail it
in their power to em to war, reenonatiance would he vain
and ineffectual. He was resity to admit. that in cases
which called for nor i•turferesce with h.. rico Powers, we
must be prepared to hack by Goer the ri presomiati )))) •
which we might he called en to make. But it was fur
those who boasted of the brilliant termination of. the loge
war—(gaar, hear)—it was fur those who tauitrd iu its
glorious results--( flenr)—it was for those who told as of
the increasing prosperity of the country—(Near)—to reply
to this part of the Noble Barues's argument, to es, pinin their
inability to resent insult, to ureoillit for this want of power
to enfuice their remonstrance against unjust aggression. He
hod been informed, since the commencement of the debate,
that the Austrian army was advancing is three column, into
the Neapolitan territory, and that the King hail issued a
proclamation &sauteing the Parliament, and enjoining his
sulijecta to receive the Austrians as friends sod allies—
This was tin doubt the spoinamuus act of a King who, hay.
hug born a prisoner among his own Subjects, no doubt
enjoyed the most perfect freedom of artion amidst that
friendly circle of Potentates to which he had been so press-
ingly invited. If ibis re port wire true, it proved the
construction which hail loess put upon the Circular; it
proved the estimation iii which that paper was heist;
it was the natural result of the comae which had
him puttied, it realm effect which might have been pr.dit l-
ed that pusillanimity of Slimmers whit Is hail d
their contact throurli she whole of their p.shey, rireign and
domest le. Their Lurd•hips woo 1.1 remember that when a Noble
Ennui of his put a quest' to the Noble Earl respecting the
Note of the A isstrian Government against the Spsoish revolu-
tion, the Noble Earl lanswe•rel that a restionst. :ince 'meld be
made. Relying upon 111.41 answer nu further ob h))) ou
the u!ij. et bad hero made by his Noble Friend; yet osi evil
consequences load ensued, tin results had followed of that
description which the Noble Baron seemed tip fear; nor had
any act of hostility' been •se, erased lowaids the Spanish
nation. Bill, said the Noble &ill, the Revolution of Naples
was brought ahem by a mutinous soldiery, and it was
iu.pussibte to have any communication with this Gen.
'vertimeist until that soldiery was punished He might
perhaps be called to coder, as Ilia. Noble Prieod bad been, for
making an allusiou to the Revolsiti )))) of Russia, for such
is really was, when the present Emperor mice. ed.ol to the
thrum, in conseepiessre of tile molder (the Is tin was not
Inn harsh) of bis Sove.rigis and his Father, for which I.e
slid sot blame him, as he tr•sted he had neillser pas-
tiriisated iu the art, nor opprured of the moan.; bui,
if the principle of the Noble Earl were to he adopted, it
would be quite as just, and not less lionosirable tor wit
Sovereign to have them told by any goverisineol in Europe,
that no intercoorse could be held with him as an independent
power, because it ass impossible to sanction an accession to
the throlle by int aus of violesice and blood Ltd. Ft tins
femme of treatment, however, which had befit adopted its site
two cases,it at emelt that there was &difference is tin. 1411(11.1ce
to be applied to the case of a Knot from that of a penvie.
He could nit accede to tile rernillineUit.ttion of the Noble
Basuto to withdraw his motion, but in the present state 4.f
the House, and the little disposition that evidently appeared
to support it, be would not think of putting their Lordships
to the trouble of a division.

Lord ELLENBUROUGH explained, that he had nut
meant to +ay that the country wanted the weans or the
putter to gu to war, but that it wanted the duspusitiun ur
the spi. if .

The atittioa •as negative.] without a divigien, and the
House attj.turtted at a QUARTER Barons &Lime
u'CLocic.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, 3roisnAv, FEBRUARY 19.

Thr SPEAKER look the Chair at lialtpast Three
&Clock.

Mr. RUM BOLD pre•euird a Petition from crrtain
Mrrchaut• and Stup•oworra, 111111$1.i 30111 of the Town o
Great Yarmouth, against the Port of Hull Shipping Puur•
Bate Bill.

number of sews of load in the memo, enmities of the United
Kingdosu employed in the growth ...Chops, nod • return of
the qteaulity of hops grown during the last ludo-teen rear.,
disoingoishing each year.r—Oci:eicd.
Mr. HUSK ISSON moved the third rending of the Malt
polies Bill--Read the third time, nod peewit.
Mr LUSHINGTON wassweel the third reading of the Trans•
fcr of Greats Bill—Read the thirst time, and passed.
GLASS DUTIES.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY asked, wheiher it we, the intent ion
of the Right How. Gentlemen opposite to retires the Grass
Dui Ira Hill in its airs pri:l form'
Mr. LUSHINGTON said, that the subject had bests
wait time Hustler the rusisideratioet of the Board of Excise,
sod of the Treasury, but that nu determination was sic yet
come to with reference to it ; •s,liiiwever, the present deities
would not expire lir fore the toil of July, there was still lie.
pie (line fur the eunsiikration of the sehject.
PORT OF HULL %HIPPING poolcs RATE BILL.
Mr. SYKES said, that a. much utifroiireptiou aeriord :is
privail on the subject of tide Bill, whirl; hid elven
Petitions from many plat, a ag mist it, he would, in
to give limy for the coo r!ction of that isllseouerpli..ss. $l. $..
Move, !hitt the B II he read a al rood time this ohs;
Mr. HU:ail/4:+W% t 1 gill the is %holy ll.s. H.....
Member hail given, ens a vv.,
mutioli. The R.ll, though .I.•crilwil as a I's lease 11:11, and
It. *sue of a local natter, only street:us tile post ur
1110, In fart, insoles- a great public spuolloo, Hamel
wba tier by a tire proerst Ili. y wonitl atti,topt to I.
Pons's Bate MI a aprries of properly w ill CFI Lad bittori
been estially exempt Goo. sort. a rate, nod fiat he a pa.
lid sad local mitti.elf, Mal• ail of • general regulation. 14
the view whir la he took, and the opinion which he enter-
tained or tile Pour 1.. wa, Ilr Colt lii by no means tuuasil F.
earls a o.raalo.. If t,,cv &polo rite of utriehlUer
les f.rre ire le•y of sech a tax on that pirtienlar &script iota
of
'trots. r ly, w ruck tievy "ugh!, by relay porsible t.•
protect, to what an rxteut might it not he etrit"fl '—
The prlociide oil whirls it was too odrd isms, th it the poor to
he rel,eviii by this saie, brimmed in a e.e..t measure to
phippiur w..ieb rl5llll In Ise lost; lint if this riarqs'e writ
In he acted on, *timid it not apply to every manufictioe,
•uil to rerts its or place its the kwgssn. ? Irra• It to Ise
ooppoud that she i5...1 of Bali could ever twee bessouve sob-
jes I to s puor's rale or 16,0110/. per wnntun, if it had nut
carried on a large leph Ise 115 shipping, from oho It it had do-.
rimed cu isideratile adrant.ier all* .1111 further objectival.
awn ..I1 lii. Op I, slid 11 psi posed to I vy the rate hot
only from that put of the shippine frent which a profit
, was lint fsont all the elelppilig us the purl, Whether
profitable or otherwise If they acre ilistroaed to supply the
prineiple of the pour'• rate to property -.loth hail hithi ros
bran pro 'coed fr. m it, if was better that it rhombi he 4 he
by the ail .. .. ..r e.got4e erasure of ern. rat regolu.
111111, Hum say a bule.triusl in tie way of • prorate hill, omit,.
int only fit a pal t.esilar place. He thought the practice
could sot be tors toilet', guarded againal of osiffering kills
to 11.101 as private hills, which involved any general p. envy's..
He should therefore move that the Bill be read a second time
this slay ale mounds.
Mr SYKES said, that Pi titioos having hero pre•entid
a/utast tbis Bill, whirls were evidently founded oa an err..
aeons coneeptodi of is aware, lee bad tbuitglit it advisable,
to defer the aerosol mailing, to give time for its b.
more clearly and getiernly understood, in which tam he was
confiletil those erroa•ovs impressions would he rtnieverl.
He woold, however, now proceed eoliotice the obstivatimut
of the Right Huuuurable Grittitusan upon the pi itic.ple of
th-
Bilh—
Mr. BARING rte., to a point of tinier ; the motion was
to postpone the ace I readier. but Geplientiell went intu
the discussion of the Bill itself: he did 'tut see how the
Honer could avoid coming to a riecieion upon the Hill.
Mr. CA I.CRAFT said, that as the Right 1401'A:entre-
malt opposite had beta allowed to proceed with comments
hostile to the principle of the Bill, it was but fair that his
lion. Friend should be 1.. aid in reply.
Mr SYK said, that haeiat bran nnexpectrdly met with
an anti n-linriii, I e tbnucht it necessary to make a few ob-
servations in answer to the remaika of the Right Hon.
Gentleman. All stuck in trade in the town of fluff woo
Chargeable to tbr pour's tate ; nu what principle ihsickie
arse it that the shippiug of the port should be entitled In
exemption > The principle of subjecting shipping to the
operation of the Pour Laws was nut • new one. There litre
still on Ilse statute book two Arts of Parliament of this
nature passed in the hest reign. The shipping of the port
of Strudel land was rated for the relief of the poor of the
port, as was also the ahipping of Scarborough, of Whitby,
and of Poole. Was it fair that hosiseholdere, and stock-
boßlera, soil property of every description, should be sub.
jected to this rate, with a single exception its favour of
shipping'
Mr. F LEWIS frlt himself bound to oppose the elate.
Mon of the poor 's rate to the shippitie, and he dal DO be.
cause it was the acknowledged tendency of the Poor Law% to
swallow sip all the property in the kingdom, and therefore

it Was necr sssss y, by every possible mesas, to guard against
their extension to any species of property not hitherto
within their teach. There was no danerr so certain, so in.
cohabit, tautess some remedy were shortly bit upon, as that

Mr. GLADSTONE presented a similar Petition from the Poor Laws would, by degrees, swallow op every 'peens
the Master and Brothers of the Trinity House of Kingston- of property that was liable to its operation : would they
aqua-Hull. therefore admit the dangerous principle of extending their
These Petitions were both laid upon the table. effects by a measure of a private nature, winch yoftwood
TRURO ELECTION. to confine its operation to a particular place, bat which
Mr. J. S. COCKS presented the Report of the Committee would establish • precedent fur similar measures in every
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appointed to exordia, the Petition against the return fur other port the kingdom. He had no doubt the Hh.
Member, in bringing forward this Bill, acted with the hest_
the borough or Truro, declaring M'illiarn Gusset, Eeq. to
inteutions, and with the hope of enlargtug the mi. as of
be duly elected, and that the Petition against the returnisteutions,
was nut frivolous nor vexati ~,, affordiug relief to ohmic nbjtets who stood so machin need
of it ; but it was in the nature of those 'wasting, that
Mr. S. 'WORTLEY presented a Petition from Selby, sod
though kiln' and charitable iu their objects, they were must
from another place lit Yorkshire, against the Port of Hull
Shipping Poor's Rate Bill. destructive in their erects. They ever increased the evi's
they were intended to relieve; for it was his firm convict mu
AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS IN IRELAND.
that if the Poor Laws had Never existed, the distress of the
Mr. FITZGIBBON presented a Petition from certain
country would never have reached its present bright. The
Frerholders of the County of Lineertek„ complaining of member said the um did not tut...duet
any
new
prig.
the depressed state of Agriculture in Ireland, amid playing
cipie; but lie must say again, that it did. The principle of
relief, the poor Laws was, that the pour should be maintained by
Mr. STANDISH O'GRADY bore testimony to the re-
the parish an Wog as there was property in the parish even-
epectability or the Petitioners and the truth of their state.
able for the purpose, but this Bill sought to levy a rate foe
went*, and hoped the subject would shortly be takeu into
the relief of the poor opine property which was not witfi•
the consideration of the House.
the perish. 'le concluded by •upporiing the antendruent.
General PHIPPS presented a Petition from certain Mer-
Mr. HUSK ISSON said, as he had no wish to do any
chants and Ship Owners of tile Town of Scarborough thing which might have the effect of taking the Hon.
against the Port of Hall Shipping Poor'. Rate BM.
Member by sot prise, lie would not press his Amcitilment,
Mr. LA M BTON presented a similar Petitiou from South
but beg leave to withdraw it, although he mast say, That
Shields.
the observations he had hi aid, wi far Tom removing,
Sir 11. PARN EI.L brought in the Holyhead Road Rill,
confirmed his objection' to the principle of the Rtli.
which ass read a first time, sod ordered to In read a second
General GASCOVNE wanted to know, if Ihr Hon.
Uwe on Friday next.
Member would fix a slay when he would brine oil Ow lbs.
Mr. JAM ES, iii coneeqnenee of the indisposition of an
,anion Or the Bill, in order that those who were opposed
Hon. Member, a hose pieseure was desirable whenerer the t_ to
might he
weltered
to
meet it.
uptown of which he bad given notice respecting the intro- The SPEAKER said, it was quite clear that the Bill had
ducii" of the wilitaiT 31. the elect' for Carlisle was excited a considerable degree of interest in the ronalrv,
brought :leftward, postponed that 10011011 tu Tuesday, the
and it seemed to have called forth a large portion of Use at
27th instant.
motion of massy Members of that House, it was therefore
TIMBER TRADE. necessary to fix some convenient day fur the second read-
Mr. THOMAS WILSON presented a Petitloo from the tort ,„ order that Members might SDI he taken by surprise.
Merclitots of London engaged in the Russia trade, against I The fixing or the second reading for a partiessts. day, hive.
SOY SitCP/11100 In the duties on timber. ever, by on means implied the necessity of its b. log teed a
Mr. BOOTLE WILBRAHAM. presented a Pella** from that day, but only mean in the 'outlaw of the Orders, th t
certain fileieliant• sod Ship Owners of Dover, against the I mist that day the question would be discussed, whether it
Port of Holt Shipping !oar's Rate Bill. should he read or nut.
Mr. BARING presented similar Petitions from Oitesebet- The Amendment aa• then withdraws, sad the second
rough and from Nevreastk.upon-Tyne, which, with the for. I reacting fixed fur 'Tuesday Wm:light.
ow, were ordered to Ile on the table. Mr. WHARTON obtained leave to bring to a Bill to
Mr. BARING next permuted a Petition from certain to mead the General &isomer, Aee,
Freeholders and other Inhabitant! of Basingstoke, praying
CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION.
for an inquiry into the dist f the country, and itito
Rir JOHN NEWPORT said be rose to g:re notice fwe
the tithe system, and for the alstilition of all sineeores his K, tit H.... the Member fur the ils.joree"
useless places, sod the adoptioii of every possible measure or
Dahlia (Mr. 11Suirkett), that he would, on Writ.osday,
reirenclooeut soil economy.
the 25ilt 1186/11111, SOUPY fur leave in bring its a Rill to npeal
IRISH LINEN TRADE. the laws imposing disabilities on his Majesty's Rumen Ca•
Sir H. PARNELL gave notice, that on Thursday next tbsolic subjects of Itihned.
lie *mold move fur a CYISISIIIite to inquire into lb, stale of I CASE OF SAMUEL M EEK.
the Linen Trade of-Ireland. i Mr. HG. BENNETT rose, posi.o tut to metier. to e.. 1
The MIMICS of the :I(einhires who were •barot from the tne siteut Wof the Howe to the cam of Semite! Meek, The
ballot of the Tram Elution Committee, MI F. Way laws, isoooaraide Gentleman theta entered into a PialetOrO, or ibe
were called over, and the Members ordered to stiend a bal- case, the 1 articulate of which were some tine ago given to
lut on Tuesday the 13th 3latelt next. to taw public:. It wee that of a publican, the 'renewal or
Mr. ASHHURST preseused a Petition on dbe subject of whom berme wain so said to bare hems refined by the Mere.
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teßhes without site jest or reasonable Cl/IW. Ihe twin /04111,
Le taken ;he declares he Means ueutrality, tern tbrou‘ltuut the procettlilig, from that either empluyttil against die peupte. Muth stress bail bee 'ma lir. C. CALVEItT waved for au account of the total lime Ago preavai...l a retitioo to the House, stating bid ease,
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