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what was the nature of the clause the Ml4e Lord
intended to introduce into the Mutiny Bill, but the
answer was such as we could not collect.
PETITION AGAINST THE ORDERS IN COUNCIL..
►Mr. TICIINZY said, he held in his hand a Peti-
tion, signed by four of the most respectable Liver-
pool merchants, whose names were amongst those
who had signed the ono, winch, on account of some
informality, had been rejected by the House last
night. The fornserpetition was thought to be com-
pla►ning alone of duties to be imposed by the Bill
now pending in Parliament upon the Orders of
Council, but the present one desired only that the
Petitioners might be heard by Counsel as to the
grievances that would arise to the merchants es
Liverpool, in consequence of these orders. That
it had been signed by so few of those merchants,
was merely owing to there not being time to trans-
mit it to Liverpool, and have it returned previous
to the Orders of Council being carried into exe-
claim, and sanctioned by the House. The sub-
stance of the present petition was, that the Petits- .
ouera understood that eertain Orders of Council,
issued upon the 21st of November last, were likely
to be pawed into a law, by a Bill at present de-
pending in Parliaiu:•nt, from which they had every
reason to apprehend consequences the most inju-
rious to their interests. That the Petitioners did,
upon tl►e tat of Mardi, truusinit a Petition against
*lnd Bill; which Petition, they understood, could
not be received, on account of the want of form.
Rids the forms of that Honourable House the Pe-
titioners did not profess themselves to be conver-
sant, hut they were persuaded that to forms ever
have been, nor could be, such as to preclude your
Petitioners from being heard by Counsel against
any Measure that was likely to Affect their trade.
They therefore most earnestly entreated that the
House would hear them, and allow them to lay

evideoce before them we to the injury that was
likey to alive train such Orders in Council." Mr.
Tierimy then concluded with snoring, .‘ That this
. Petition be laid upon the Table."
The Cunscettoa of the Excereumt--0. If' I
understand rightly the object of this Petition, it
does, by taking usnice of the Bill at present de-
pending, point the objection of the Petitioners
. 'gaited that Rill, tic,- very cause for which the
former Petition had been thrown out. if it was
not agaiiist that Bill, 1 apprehend it would have
. been liecet,iury for them to state more particularly-
. with what view they presenter] tL. it Petition.• For
these reasons, I conceive it to be nothing more than
a similar Petition to that which was discussed yes-
terdity, for no leas than sine!' or eight hours.. It
might he rely consistent with the duty and the in-
. terests of the Petitiuvers to arld;ess His Majesty
upon such a subject, lint it is itivmosible to hem
them in the House of Commons, upon a Bill of
the nature of that now pending. I am sure it iv
not the flight-Hon. Vientleinan a desire to embark
in the mule argumeins that were used last night
against the former Petition ; and, therefore, I must
apprise its being laid ulnu the Table."
Mr. l'tentsai—" I do not wish to renew any
debate upon thissubject, lint I really thought that
this Petition could not be deemed liable to the
same objection as the former one. It does not
proloa to bee Petition against the Bill in ques-
timi. They merely stated their anxiety as to those
.Orders in Commit, of which they still feel mote
and IMAM the oppression which that Bill was to
cure into etteet. All they wished was to be heard
by their Counsel at. the Bar agaiust the Orders in,
Council, and therefore l think it is one that esti-
not be refused."
Mr. Ilesaissoe—'. I conceive that this can be
iinthing more than a Petition against the proceed-
hags um: before the linnies, and, therefore, it is ob-
jectionable. If the petitioners really thought these
Orders iu Council to be ill adi iseil, it was open to
them to petition, seep to pray the House to take
measures against them, but not to petition against
A Bill, which had in its view, all object of revenue.
wanner, were the object of Petitioners
against war, at the very time the !louse
paining some Act to carry on war ; and if, in-
-, coming directly to their object, they were
ion against the tax, suet* a petition eonld
listened to, however desirous the House
1.: hear tb:nn spun the subject of pence.
-eon such amends,' think the present petition is
.I%reaurnva—c. I never before heard
olio:Mon as that now made against this
if I understand the ease right, it is
Majesty has issued Orders in Council,
Ow attention of the flunse and the peb-
been called. by His alajesty's Speech,
beets referred to a Committee to take
lees upria them, 'and these Petitioners
bas hemiened, think they have a right
. against such iiroceeilings. They say,
..itlerstand you. mean to curry these Orders
ad.eis, as Isias been e eproweil is the Address to
Throne, and state, that what you 'so intend to
ito effect, Will he attended with total
them, and will totally change the whole
the country. lam not seying they
that aeiertion, but can :t s:Ild that
seeing t'w steps taken by this House, are to
precluded from petitioning at any stage of
They are. in my opinion, equidly empow-
so at the present moment, as if they
. immediately after the voting of that
.42 Hitt Majesty. What they pray is, that
orders may not be carried into effect in Ay
whatever. If the Hon* be 'not following up
'.iress,,, these undoubtedly, there is amend of
question; but if. we are following it up,
we are carrying the Orders in Council
execution, in some shape or other.
•r you were doing it by duty, or nut, by im-
duty, the l'etitioners need cure not ; but
desirous, before you carry that Address
to show you that the Orders in Council
to their ruin. If Gentlemen mean to ray
l'etitimieni are not mom to he beard stet.
grievances, I Imola wish to know at what
y can he heard, they 'saving now rectified
of their feriner Petit i 4444 , are undoubtedly
have their erievences listened to?"
.'oasts Bowie I my the very ob-
which existed against the former Pe-
exists against the present one. The
was signed by 400, sad the present
only four merchants, and the reason
fur this is, that there was put time to

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