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SAYS AND \MANS.

The House thiCiirei;ii4lllti.eiiinto a Cominfttre
or Ways nod 11Peons in which Mr. PeaCE%AI.
moved--M That the JAwbubol. voted it the Com-
mittee of Sumtly he raised by Exchequer Bills ;"
which wild agrs‘-.I to ; nod the iluw.e having re-
.iinscil, the ileport was ordered to he received on
'runoff:it next.

Mr. filusaissots !nosed for, moil obtained leave
to being in, a Hill for minimising the art appointintr,
Cominiotioners of Mibitty Inquiry alga ■ Bill to
amend the aath of the Dint, for prntitling for the
deft-doe of the realm, by taking in certain lands for
• that purpose.
• SEATS IN PARLIAMENT.
Mr. Ct;awt:N moved the Only, of OW Day for
resnutiog• the adjourned debote upon the fill. to
prevent the trifficking for Seats in Parliament. The
Order tieing r.--J„
The SPEAIikAt stilted the ;nation. Tina he•du
mow Lace the Choir." .

Sir Jour' Nawroits—" Sir, I have always

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thought the subject now under entisideixition to lie
at env time of she greatest iinpareeive ni that coin'
trys—l think it to he partieulurly to et a period
141,411 as the pet-lieut. I hart always• Liam anxious
that Reform originate in this house;
sidtring, that width' these want; it could best be
done, and with the loetst and !nest liteepy efliaa. I
have beet, antmomm4 that we should alford no pre-
text to those witiotmt doors; and to Mi. purpose I
base supported measures wench seemed likely to
liroiltice so (trainable nit effect. For this toy con.
duet I can refer to the (rose of Aylesbury, in
which this House useerted Its owu digaity, and
• eltewril itself worthy of being the protectors
stud representatives of • great people, by prey-
ing itaielf eager to apply is remedy to the abuses
that appeared before it. I conceive the present
niemnre to be of the same nature, or nearly
so that, only this is intended as a means IPi
prevesaiiiir the recurrence• of those evil), in future,
ra: her than remedying the Hest. In that case, such
urns the eurriipiion "nosed by the evideiice before
our Committee to diove existed, that rive voles of
therleaturs werraseetily hungh; mid sold, as in a
market ; nisi therefore tins house applied the
remedy, by disfranchising all those ruler* -so con-
*victaal, and calling others,- their neighbours, to
supply their places as electors. Sir, upon the pre-
sent occasion, I must differ entirely from my
Right honourable Fried& wider me, when lie
.says lie , uhjects to the measure, under the
uepreliension that we may he led to go too far.
am sure a eau will never be made -on this House to
take any step that may endanger‘the constitution.
I am sure if such a call were to be made, it would
and ought to be resisted. I MO sure if a cry was
attempted to be raised among the people, for the
purpotti of overawing the• Parliatueut, they wonld
soon recover from their delusion, and the effect
would truly recoil on the heads of those who were
instrumental in creating it. I firmly believe that
the best and only means of preventing the &Austin)
of this house being tineeilliug to correct abuses,
are sliewing itself ready and to amend
itself, particularly by it measure which is prospec-
tive, and therefore' moot salutary, and best oalim-
latel to prevent the rreurrence of the evil. The
benetits likely tpitrise frum this measure arc pe-
citliarly apillicalale to *het species of represent-
ation known by 'tins &act iption of Burgage
Tenures% It hue &ten said that the 'purchase
of these seats. is eseeeial .fur the iutrodnetiuo
into this House of young men of superior tulente,
who-otherwise might never find their way into it ;
on tlee contrary, Sir, I- contend, that it is more
' likely that talents shell come among us %Oleo beats
are to be acquired by character rather than luoaey;
far then the people will naturally Attok out for such
as shall appear worthy their confidence. f find a
teilenditl and striking esensple- of this, position in a
neighbouring kingdom to which I boast I belting.
I allude to that revered character, the late kirl of
Chartensout. That Neblenum it was who recom-
mended to the Borough- in which he was supposed to
have influe.nce, the man I am proud to call friend,
the friend of his country, the ft lend to human °a-
ttire—henry Grattan. Ile it was that introduced
Ens Gentleman lam Parliament, not hoe his money,
lint as holding a trust estate for the public. Thus
1 heard lion declare, at a Public meeting, he con-
sidered himself, and thus has he rondurted aim.
self through the whole tenour of Ms life. Titus
meth I feel bound to soy of a Noblemen who
is sto more, but whose memory will live ievected
iii the beans of his countrymea. In the case be-
fore us, can we say it is not the wish, of the people ?
or, in saying that it as, is it any disgrace to give
way ? In doing so, it II not servility—it is frankly
lonkiog to thew fair, opinion, regularly expressed.
We are not bOurid to surrender up oar judgmeni
to theirs; hut we may surely doubt, when we Mel
oueopinione contrury to their's. By looking at tile
Knitter in thiiipoiiit of view, we shall find our best
:.-ipport in the present day ; um would Bonaparte
wish for better support, than that we should etiy,•
we would not attend to the voice of the lemple. It
has been ever the pride and glory of our Constitin
lien, that it enumtains within itself the priaciple of
its own renovation, mid we should weigh well,
whenever we find ourselves runuigg counter to po-
puler opinion ; it is therefore I take the liberty of
suggesting, in order that we tipsy attend to that
opinion, end that if we find in error, we may at
least take pains to correct it. Sir, I will fairly own,
that I think the people have reason to complaiii—
they are toot sufficiently attended to I do not
mean to eiy, that we should adtest every specula.
lion that' may be promulgated ; lint we should ut
least sliew thut 'mins arc taken to reform and
correct those errors we comlione. We are calkul
oa to °bob& what is called the trade of Par-
, liament ! if a malt comes into this house for
money, he may be Reid to come as to it Parlia-
mentary Lottery—the holder speculates, and the
public ',rya the prize. whatever ;t ts, . Thum who
do not affect to apprehend &sager from what
they choose to term, a speculation, I would osk, has.
nut the enieriment been, already tried, in the
in-
stancer of -the union with the aster country ? 'Bjv
that measure. whetherjastinab o-th
le or Got, twir a
of the reporsentatiou of that cnantry because Isom,-
ler by the amiihiletioit of its clues boroughs.--
• here, their, we find a practical experiment on thei
very tubteet, suet who islhekl will sayalust any evil
has Wen the result ',fit? It is the prideispd Nam
of the British Conststuti tttt that 'it continue aithnl
itself the pon-ef of repair miser than degenerating'
into smarelty and eimfasion--Jiffetitig HI this eroin
all the Oilier states of civilized Europe. It is nputi
thane gronnda, eithout detaining the 'lower long-
' ee, that I play my tribute of respect to the him.
Gem leinau who has breught forward this measure,
convinced es I inn, that rt is as necessary n. iris
11444'4. 1 have no objettinat to the worm! Reform.
ar 1111111101/ to this tnealt of rianerlyitig 31111164.'0, str-
tistied us I sun, "
that it is a sore and certain means
of preventing what is called utiarchicel reform. I
shall therefore give my vote fur your leavitig the
chair."
Mr. WILLA/ SMITH said he concurred with time
Right hon. Bart. elm hail just spoken, in regard
to a her he had end.. Mato e to anal chte.ti refit,' in
ilitkring from parlininentiiry reform, for the latter
was M referm that took place in Parliament
and carried into execution by the rollective wisd.nni
of the nation. Ile should- not, however, scruple
in saying:4l,ot, unless he believed that would lead
ttraotnetliing farther, as he hoped it would, hp:

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'motel not evsn rite for its going into a Commit ,
was of (+polit. that, *Whirr the electors of t.,
country, there was hitiii:tely more corruption 01,4
any man wishing well to the country coolq
desire to contemplate ; terse if tln.t corruptiva
etre corrected, much would ti done with re-
gard to Reform in Parliament. It Is it mare
mockery to say, that they shall' not yell 1111'4
votes one by one, when one individual we,
allowed to sell them in the gross. Ile had ,se doubt
that the floss. Gentleman who brought this mea-
sure forward, was actuated by the best intentions,
es he thought it "mold be no incousitirrable step
towards rectify* -that degree of • corruption to
which Parliseinent has Punk ; but he (Mr. Smith!.
WAS persuaded it dirt lint cat up that corruption by
the roots, hit outs lopped off the branches. The I;i1
provides that essi. Wait hiking a semi in Parliament
*ball take an oath that lit inis not tirotnised to :iv.
nor given tiny pecinimry consideration for it ; inn
.this ceimiot be effectual, while it does tint im-
pose any oath upon -the nominator to t!...„:
burghs. Undi.r these circumstances, the lino's.
of Commons would still be under the same ;tithes
ence it was before. lie thought the original
of aeforiii, p mipsenel by Mr. Pitt, was intlititely hes;
ter, as it hint to cut up the very sources of comp_
Noe, and that the power of noinination to burghs
should be taken front those persons who enjoyed ir.
The only objection he had to that former measure,
was, that compensation was offered to persons who
had enjoyed a right they had no title re possris, but
for the good of the public. No pecuniary. recom-
pense, was due to a man who possessed the trust of
sending Memhers to Pailiainent. The present
Bill did not prop..se to do away this source or fouu-
dal of corruption : there were three sources of
temptation,dignity,intuester mid motley ; but only
the lust oFtliese was alluded to in the yeeielit mea-
sure, while the two former were still allowed to ex-
ist; by the distribution of °Mecca tire State. which
were only to be oistaiaed through the treasury Gate
country. The Government of the country hail itin
their powerstii I to treat with arty man for dignity, nod.
any country gentleman; whatever his circurimittatims
Might be, if lie considered be could mumble has
I'awil,, lewd only to go to the family end say, " I
can uo longer roceive itionoy for Nl:seat, in the
open market, 1 therefore cermet° you to make she
beet bargain t can ; and I have an objection to dis-
pose of my scut for soy °Kee you, eau gibe. or for
any dignity, either a barmietage or a peenige,
which you rain bestow:t Tltil nas actually, there-
fore, inflicting an additional evil on the represe eta-
conferring additiotial bentGt uponmeer Imo
individual-, it:ail-tea to ,cunt{ the traffic core-
planted or. This narrowing of the tmerket would
he actually. found to'be as ineonyeninMee in Imre
ways than one. Unless the House knew the Loan
who lent the member atirongst them, the corrup-
tion that might tajie pierce was more to be dreaded
than that which could arise front the 6-fea-
sible individual • because he stands forth In tstb-
tic.
and can lee arraigned, if lie errs iu Ina v ea,
while the other larks secretly behind the e err-
trim, runt pulls the wires In which the r
pets are to be let io mote.—As matters stool at
present, lie had leo doubt that Many men take
into Pathan:tart, who had pond- money for tl telt
seats,yet were still at-feinted by the best of opottelts.
Some came in; meetly far the purpose of obtaioits;
that distilietion which it give thenvia society; .tnd
there were mite..., alto, having an itiflmolnce is
Election., nor in public life, were inclined to cisme
into Perham- t, even by such miaiss; in 'race n.
render pulite: service, and were actuated by the
purest motiers. If he mad erraure seats to sttch-
persons as these. even by the menus now teitecti tee!,
he should nut be one that would call for Pelf's's-
mentary Reform. But what rendered stone alt emo-
tion necessary was, that there were some who made
three purchases.of scant, who might he inclinei.t to
make MI ill use of then'.
.It was with great satis-
faction and pride he saw mane mpois ;Jett side of
the House, which rot med the dennicratical Aran of
it, who represented such burghs, and although they
Might some day I,rin a part of the other Howe,
they maintaisied boldly the right ride of thousands
of questions that were agitated. • There were Many
commercial men too, ohmic remits prevented
them from forming c ections with' ,-popular
burghs, arid also had, therefore, no other opporta-
timity of coining iuto that House to sigualise thee-
selves in supporting the real interest. mid-liberties
or the country. If Parliamentary Reform were
to lessen the number of each italividnetb, he should
dread that loss as much its any man ; but •he was
inclined to thilik that the agitiitiou of this question
would Away.* be productive of good; and if at 'joy
time he airs again culled upon to give an opinion
upon that etiliject, be should du it at greater
length. He believed, that utiles. ass oath were is-
trodtici•d into the pri sent Rill, to exclude promise*
of dignities and lutluence, as well ar mwies,it
won'd have no beneficial effect ; but, with that
sneuilinent, it might lead to consuleroble tolve,n-
take, by operatri.g tee a siietit cheek uia n Minister,.
SPENCIDt STANHOPIS said, he 'should au:
follow tke example set him, by going into the ques-
tion of Parliatueutary Reform, smut should merely
touch. upon the motives which induced Imo to
think this bill should he allowed to gn into a Cit,nl7.
mittee.—A more imperfect kill he hod ber,
read, a•n I inure oljet tionable ciente* were tiev.,.
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before put upon paper. and therefore as he mot
nn objectimi to the ilipeaswion of the prior p'.:
ieloptrel by his [Lou. Ciilleague, hr should nisi'
to be cmistuitted„ in OAT that it might Ise more
fulls- discussed mid aniended.—lie WAS sate diet
if this were the third readiug of such a bill, he
111011141 gilr it II {tester; iiig:atier.
Mr. I) iv' V.l GIDDY dificird in sentiments from
those who had spoken before him; he thought that
propeety and power should invaiiably be connect-
ed together, for without that counectron, uo pewee
could be maititsilited in societv.—Corniptiou, in-
fluence, and propene, were as closely connecter: as
essury and innitey. Formerly the taking of interest
for
stow
was ineariablj iletioniimeted usury, hot
stow it was found most advantageous to TOrrealitlit,
CO:141,111s. Now the mono mit.take seemed to have
taken place ins regard to influence and Money, as
formerly in regard to intesst and usury. Propery
rated nei.ratairily gite a person iiilluence, and the
latter will ten urally tend to procure returnsofblem-
bers to Pulba.nent. Toe landed interest was nor
doubt the ;;rust /end* interest boat there acre
other 'MeV...A who should 4111 y, 'CVO to a Cefliti•

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extent in that' House, as they could render es-
fennel service to the c try, by expressing their
opinions there, even us counected with their own
interest. Smut individuals objected to the state of
repreeentation, because some small places sent an
equal &amber of Members to Parliament as larger
ones; bit! it would, upon examination, be found,
that great 'advantage arose to the country by
this being the care. Most of the 'small burghs
. sent to Parliament merchants, awl gentlemen of
the army mud navy, who otherwise c.ould not get
scats ist that Rouse. Those who adverted to the
great advatita4es of commerce or the country, and
ate clangers arising from too large a standing army,
'oust be coutiured of the propriety of such indivi-
duals as these Jolting scats in Parliament.-_
lilhese small burghs were to be dune away, he
could not we why Members should not be sent to
-ewe:wilt our possessions in America, end also our
;leant moil %Vest India po.;:otssions. Persons et en
oasts:wed of large properties in the funds of the
jrountry. should be represented in that House, and
there was at present no other tuode than through
-these small burghs, and lie should rather wish to
we them increased thou diminished. It bus hero
said P4rliament might to consult popular opinion,
lint he thought that this could only be carried to a
very limited extent. Ile should certainly approve
of Members Itstettiuglo the oinnious of those who
were really competent to fora just ones, hat to
• 41:17 that they should attend to the sentiments of in-
clii.trivals, who basL.no knowledge of the real inter-
suits iif society, nor acquaintance with the history of
this or of other countries, was carrying that consul-
,. union too far, as they could thereby form no correct
. . *Odor:, upon dißSeult topics, which required great
Vittrution and reflection. Parli.imeittary alteration
would be a better term to apply to aim change that
was necessary, than Parliamentary reform itioa. It
seemed to he Cie intention of some Gentlemen,
that the executive power should lie wholly indepen-
dent of the legislative. Were this the case, it would
be found diet the latter would soon overawe the
former flower, and would tend to convert the Govery
mem into a democracy, under which no Large mot
populous country could loug exist. , Being con-
vinced that the motives of the lion. kientlensatt
who introduced this Bill wel.' good motives, he
should not object to its going into a Committee;
but he was sure it could .not reconcile it to what he
thought would be consistent with. propriery. It
went to prevent corruption, by imposing penalties;
but he should lie glad to know hew that would
have the effect of preventing the sale or votes in
large 'where it was well known the
pompous were flattered by .varibus Representatives,
such as the hulling out to the people the release
from all burdens imposed by what was del**.
aimated a corrupt government ; ulthout.l.l 'it: Wes
well kuossi that seen hopes could oot be encou-
raged without injury to the peace of the coninry
When persons of large possessions used their pro-
perty to gut into Parliament, by means the most
lamoisrahle, or when tine Legislature selected
• eminent its the laws of tile emissary. or per-
sons connected with the army sod navy, or elm-
neotiiil with the Era or West Indira, hr in the
bed.. as proper to sit to Parliament; lie could nut
see any injury likely to urine from the nominator
teit - W.441%1;464- )114_ uldUeswe so applied.
le mold not say, .however. that there might riot
be corrupt practices us to that ; bat even
that could not be an argument against its eXIS frac t,
any more than the publication.bf a libel tbutrid be
made en argument against the liheity of the press.
It had been sud,tlrct so permit could.cnine into that
House tlareugh money, without hating bad motives.
Is. this he could not agree ; for it• any turn who
quires great popularity in a large town, by being.
bountiful limillords. or by arty other memos, I,l°-
cured a sent in Parliament. he did not see what se-
amity there W+l%, that that gentleman was more
likely to give his votes with greater purity or more
disiuteresteilly there, than a person who, having
binds. was waling to. barter some of jets money fur it
seat, by applying to the individual *limn he found
possessed of nitinence sotticient to secure it.
Malvin already on excellent Como it ution,lie thought
it would be exceedin,lly dangerous indeed to at-
tempt any alteration in, the system of Representa-
tion, without having the fullest prospect of great
advantage being likely to arise from it.. We have
in the course of events been engaged in a long and
expensive war, and yet this country has flourished,
every mouth has beet. supplied, and every symp-
tom of prosperity had betu manifest. We saw our
coasts and our liernours abounding with reduiehrii-
ey of :spin.!. Ile should take upon himself to as..
sett, that it the effects of this coated for P•irliamen-
tatry Reform were to throw the country into confu-
sion for one single week,inore imminent danger and
disadvantage would arise, than what has, been °COI..
Wooed by all the effects of corruption, existing:from
the time of king IVilliatts, to the present period.
Ile therefore should tall upon the country to pause
before they incurred the risk of ear all, for the
small benetit likely to arid: fruits any change pro-
posed.
Sir .FItAKCIS BURDCTr—" The doctrines, Mr.
Speaker. that have bees. broached to this House,
this night, and during the various discussions that
have taken place 'spun this subject, appear to me
to be so estruardivary, that I inn really at la loss
whet answer to Wake' to them. The situation to
%illicit I stand is new indeed ; when I hear Gentlemen
you, amid- within these wails stating that
it is tit and proper we should no longer wear the
appearance of leis !se Coinninns of England,
assembled here as we are by the constitution itself,
coil to hear a justification of barteriligaf seats in
Parliament, is a' doctrine so truly singular, tint I
know not how to address those who ..all themselves
the Representatives of the Pcople.—Wa are as-
sembled here in this room ( for I caunot call it
now the House of Commons) like the assembly
called together by Epicurus, without any definite
authority ;. some Members representing • Noble
Lord, some the 'Pre usury, some the Ailini.ralty,
'nine representiiii, themselves. hot, least of
are we the ltep:eseittatires of the Commons of
England. Notwithstuntlitig this, I feel it nry duty
to thew I repteacut.to raise my feeble voice against
thr*e.div:tritie4, heard now for the first time within
. these walls, anal to reprobate them as strongly as I
miss able. delete, Sir, was begun by all Hon:
• Gentleman opposite, (Mr lohnionne).t endeavour-
ing to shew the perfections of this Parliament, and.
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tile if we lose that respect nod approbation, we are
no longer the Itepreseoutives of the people., 'lie
did go the length of trod Bing our ancestors, riot
introduced many of those imines,• who, tit their
)s, were the brightest onarueuts of Own-country.
He told us that, iu former times, many of the
Members; of this House had lee,, in the pay of
France; that the Minister:4,mA even the sloitarch
himself, were ttoteseitipt from am-moduli. I know
not to what reticular 'immure lie &hided ; but if
it were in Charles the Second's reigii ; if it were.
to u Sydney and a Russel be alluded, those :nears
to the coustitutioo of weir country, I cannot join
Ilion in his suspicions, nor compare then, with the
hirelings of the present day. These men I bare,
mentioned, were such as did the greatest tumour to
their country ; and although they are long since
departed, I hope their examples will lung live to
stimulate men to similar esertiosis, even should
they meet with similar fates. That Hon. Member
did take upon himself t) say, that, iii those fininet.
ages, Parliaineitt was much snore coirupt than
at present—but I differ _train Min so nutterially,
that I may say this Holier cab no lois ,:er be aildrsi-
sed by the name of the House of Colson°, ." rilere
some disapprobation was expressed, and the SeEss-
ER intimated dint he fe t it his duty to iuteirup: the
Hon. Baronet, by 'heti .g that sin* lasi Gage was,
in his opinion, repreheis ible. 11. al Id take the
liberty of interrupting any Hum Member who
should say, in that Hots ;., that it was toi longer to
be deemed the Commoar' House of l'arliaitient.]--
A fter a fie *oak., we to the pipet of order buys
Lord A eCHIBALD HAMILTON,
Sir -Emus Bunst,:re continued--" I mit,
(said he) Mr. Speakee, perfectly aware of your
propriety of conduct in every respect ; bet l was
not till now aware, that *ll those rules and regula-
tions established for our Cy weriontyt. slid existing
up to this month, were ruuiuled upon 'my thing
else thitii the purity of this House. I sin Weil
aware, Sir; that whether pure or contaminated,
there are certain rules' of propriety in be observed
in every a:Nembly, however constituted. 1 ion
.stware, ton, tilt iii other times I should not have
incurred your interru ,:in, ; lint I think, Mr.
.Speaker, )uu yourself will it4tee with sue. that I
em addressisig• you sill those here met toge-
ther, in an mriathat is very novel and aingnilar 111.. •
deed. The Hon. Member who opei.ed this debate,
coiniAlitiell totally of t corruption of our fore-
fathers, which he repreitittil us great iiideed, corn-
iteratively with our ovto, and he called the revol-
kction of the House to the period of the South Sett
Scheme; lint in my o;iiiiion he could not have
giro,* more unfortunate instanee, for at that time
the persons guilty were east olf from ma society,
and pnoishetii, Now, however, we seem" here to
want ere+, the instinct of annuals. Wolves will'
not allow certain animals to herd with them, and
yet we can sit here and associate with Mini,,-
ten and others, ~ho hnv.r nractistal corruption, and
who orisic even the effrontery to acknowledge it.—
Ile haslitatanced too the conduct of Lord Melt die
and that of the Duke of York. In the tinit of these
eases, sou, Sir, upon that occasion, by a tasting
voice, did preserve the lionintir and dignity of the
House; but will you say that those who voted
agitin,t all rewire of that Nuble Lord did vote for
his impeachment ? As to the case of the Disko. of
York. I shall not c•iiiteti3 wliethi7.' the rteichaiiir of
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the Ilona: seas just or ttojet.t ; bite 1 aliment con-
ceive from what part of its conduct he has beta
able to eellect an mistas.ce of the isolependesicerd
thiaasreitilde: When we Ma; Sir, that the part
which the siiitimitnity took in that transaction,•waii
so influential as to seduce Sliiiiiners to persuade
Ins Hopi! flightless to withdraw himself from th •
CO113111:111i1 of the 11,111),P1111 advice so contrary
to the decision of the blouse. that I thnuk the
Ilitoonrable tientlemaii V.ta been particularly
unfortunute in the recent urstanees he Iroi spe-
cified, hs well as in timer he .Iris widowed from
the ria ire ancient period.' in the history of our
country. 1 know hot, Sir, how yon can justify
crime by criint, even supposing that rite
Gentlemen wire right. We have had molly Gen-
tlemen in this House who.lorve told es what a cor-
rupt Government would leui to. They were all
reedy to lay down their Jives to avert tho-e COMIC-
CiIIeUCVO from theircountry, cud Irmo us who shout,'
succeed them ; hat never.till now del coy 11.1 Mister
ever dare to state whet .re have heard upou
this subject. The Hon. Grist. who hits jest sat
down, has tired reasoning that is most coutratlicto-
ry. He tells you that there ought not to be a dis-
connection between political power mill ivropc!rty ;
that is what we, Parliamentary reformers, say ; hat
that is not the cause of our present objections : for
we find that those places which have no pro-
perty, have still ?Political power. It is owing to the
burgh-mongering foction, by winch the poer and
the rich are so d:sconnected as they are. lie then
goes eii to state how tilledlltitgeOUS is the rotten-
burgh system, and riat it ItrociAiit in o heap
of adventurers of different keels, mail of va-
rious talents. If I uoilerstood at all the na-
ture of our Constitution, we do nun want this
House to be s kitel of tire-rue for politic
talents ; we want those who OM signalise them-
selves for character and for honour, more than these
who can support the character of lawyers. who, he
says, would lie AO advantageous. A man might
nell say that it is net neceiwary to put I opts noel
Mira upon his doors, as lie has furnished, his lionse
most superbly. The Commons of England, Sir,
are the bolts and bars of the Constitution. If they
do not answer that pnrpose, they answer nn good
purpose at all. If this he not the crass the
whole Constitution is a mere. farce; end u wimple
of despotism. Ile illustrates his remarks by au as-
similation to the laws of the country; but every
one know,, that the laws of usury proceed upon
fundamental errors in the state. I say that this
Bill will only go to aggravate the mischief, for we
are fundamentally wrong. It will give u corrupt
influence to the Minister of the day. You oily take
the matter oat of the public market, and place it
in the power of the Treasure, to bestow it where
thought proper. If the thing is to he disposed
of tit all, it would be better to be by N
[ sale, at a public mart, where ad men might
go, and not he disposed of by a clandestine ins
tercriiir4", as has been the case almost ever More
the yevolotien. The mouey arishig from such
public sale might then be-applied to public pur-
poses, so as to prove beneficial to the country; mid
the person purchasing might thou be en iiniepent.•




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one man. This Bill ought rather to ),e called 's t orinch opmemed " The Hon. Baronet concluded s i
Hill liar the better lireveulino a defectiou'of cord most rei, 4 speech.
'option, than otherwise. 1 object to it in every me IC ' -fle'lAit•- r interh.
by
yhtbtatiag that
theC•Pr""att
ii ttre t"tu-1110. his concurrence°. supper.;
point of view, alttiong:i 1 ate 'Anivaced the I/011. RV r 41.411 d lk. • Rflt..Ctitate any good or bent-Lori
Gentlemen who propows it hes the in,:st iiii:a4lit porous-.
hinteutioni, and believes it will effect the Maject he
that the
Fuit...t.ntra—aim,er"
etl tis.Mk • d' . a /Wit eatraordinery dna'
as !militated. The e:i'ect of his Lod has unlaced
iih7ollse.,fithe
cuirtiv,
al
„mkt tilveirbros...,nl.:ltiitily,heesias! the
loin to ttilyty am' inadequate remedy 'to that evil
which hal ilisglieted and „lartneil hips. I °bp ct to d;ii"ri"g ibe 'mitt t'" •percb I have ever Ueasrt4'.l.l'wou"
'line
lariat,
sir,
ei
sireaui
die- cotter!, sh:. el ~,,, the occasion, has been the most nob:
the oath it iinpiises..nitoseet Ice *lid, that we see al the
inatuLltes ,The
H.."
gracefully writhed. It is a kind of left-lido:led me-
surls ; ht!terlelseisi:ei alshiseteteekeTihnel7l.l:'eTal If If
elle,ratiete,
tistal of preveliturg corruption doll fraud, alil it a:t
or any utior man. I hove Dever .brilos; the: cotinityreollltte. weed,. ought to lie practised with a sparing hand•
our thr,;:vu sant enemy thuvrithl pi/Gotta in. th•
Why,are we to suppose ttiat datita will; ill this 111-1. rtdi,'F.hx.,:e.,,f r_,r,..., lint n0,,,„,,t, 1,,,,,e,i In . v ftg, rate, 1
st:iiire, lie more efficacious' emit in oilier caste
80311,,v1h18r. tisep,•••.7,4ienese..l. ',Lich, taitt,ury pisorses, is wire eras t,,,, .
•T here moire:l4y au oath ofqualilleutiou, but nofxrly
heats (they anisheas we'irelrepel'llert la si,v asar4 "eel: thee
.a 4
hise.evet that that oath has at all attained the cud
s:.y they arch moo i but, 14te Jrelt tv•thes, they will all,
that was intended b, it. lu the l',4st India Report
Ttlihe..tinie langh at !home also la:ftiawe iii le prilhoitatione.
t• be* been tdeenily gravely stated. flint "the oaths
formerly ilispused trail not the derired effect, mid
in„yenarawlitol•ir'euaSiniire:ofadtil.ertsio",iilie'rflOt'c. st Cl,
Ilishdue_ivslai;urttlyry‘'reannsurefta": tirml
maketes;
that yoututs4t take Away the !waist:l6.min! oiduce- run to lieu* Falun/eters, vistivoet
waits to fraud and misconduct, before you can re- 'l7:;re"'rlihrifitiblonP.'ilki..,..t•l'rum "an
.t t" t"122., l'y'' f".. perjury
inedy the evil. The oaths of the Custom- s mid Ex- he went tato • drosice of t't condtat
of Lord Castlerealli, and onscleded with silittere..4. that at/
cite have been found to be intelleittit. Can it be -Ite
befevedfnut there 15 more virtue iii this oaltialit,tihtiatii
nilri Rini mad
pt.tOoi
le ,sot til::::In tti:.• list ;trareitlbeeee.i; expenses soul. Ittheb,ssePeowSlioe'caeisilme
.ray oilier„?. - For my paid i can set. tm.prit 1
,Isisoperitir suci.v.•• ~,,, less it be owing to its len:tl , .1.2"1r ,t,",E,111:",)..n,c,t---`,.." 'L. u 4 k.,:. avoid 11: ..L.
far it is really the longest oath that en-er I -mild ~,,,".1..be,:".0i,:d.";',.,,11.:ail .;:ilm."l:l76l:Zr p,:eritt'le•''alk:rilu're• that
will wily tend to augment all time: evils of saw,
Inch thole - I --"'l
we, the proole of Engl I.llitre a right to complain. w:), thatd I °67,eittve ol:41° Inh:t.i'utit4t 8 °ft
oar
c..". 1 u.
I.
I do
lull
It is „run plonuirei"to) tl:eTtr.i.ati I l'Aniatt'iss'Albe all,l've" -'ll piaYe-
A great in iny extraordinary things lope iallMi , tea.
dare cowl it on es al i bat Ilive4h sr:7 see that trheU effec !stet 'l'l-
- these wall—things which have heels totally evil bx been initii,sted, it can fura.isii no et et., Spur
e
rOtslatereteit fr.oni the idea of the real conititutioli of
we
hare
hero
re-
it
et,..iminonar: of
l powatical expediency, to jantifr and (fit tkaiti.l
the co:nary; and amongst otnerl,
iedoet of tnr Hint. Lie;
preached formot being that winch was 'formerly rose, upon al/WitUlinPli. cull to attune
• Mmaidered one of -the greatnst reproaches that fair :to bins, obi!, he contendtd foraetabei'lnei'ueahewayth'esfr iitsua .1
upon the one kind, to enter into au slMse go( the e . os'el-I could be trade upon 31einbers of Parliament.— tom upue the utile. l If such Shiites air sckaoetedgre to
We. have !west reproached, .
isSiri,n,fiourelantneitt, being .eisazittoalselsrastree
them,
atitarolvdreil Isti-4, as.ai if 'we will smart
men of a party ;
do
we
‘lot
..re
whirl min
barn
ip,i,stistsed to the
became we ate not wanting placei.stheet must be wurid,
treason in vitae couduct. Again, it is said, that ti:e morals of the people, at large' Saw WI
al7eleittiseselit app
'
'we awn be extritordittary P°e°°'°° indeed, because fiesta, and easier the eircitmataatc• ip whiah'oe live, twbee.
I ealltr.,;
a.• C4)l4ll4tr sot .0i het/t we rcelle traction to s'art'
we. urn net wuntint any change of Ministers.
_ .of no reason why we should want such et whirls we etn;a4taitutelhis-Mlesit"bratt,pey ementiselliiiede def hhieta
akr tbeirehes
clliattisioge ; for I eau see no reason fur thiukiit:t that constitution, au speculatni It and -peicticalrll'hea:afsaa' I
free discussion) ispenuitte.t, the laserty atilt es 0011"ielat sad: 'acacia .liiifisters du not eiirey no the affairs of
ass
maim.
s‘.
well
s,
say
at,..et
set
or
men. . sea thenans ofpnlitical iifuentatiaiti ;,•:iemal",v ilitiusrd Bits
faction°
athisehirtng, at the sinie twee that it
itia saincul,,,,telSorui.kcee of.spreaitir,r,
.deelswe myself us 0110 belongii% to no'
I till ill be happy to support Minis; • fiii to cair';:ebtelall ,a rrtien!!!‘ 7".'cilL'a 4
!whatever.
lenr, lint I ..butt do it al a liersou who court- injurious in other cuas.ntr.W.S, ..!
'it' its tliasll:,lfet;>. mthelehtramiCisidiht:
with which they are circulated, and the trtedfma with WhiCh
den his ditty alb hit first cousideratiou, for I
:017 arec diseuoie4. It is Muted anmewhoreio Swift, • that
ha_ re always considered that as the only retorn
foace
theatttaveraliwa:kiedk et la Lady thrtoNts a etietoscope; ba
.1 tan make to that large hotly who have sent me,
h''nd
NO 'in * cmint; fairest,
wbere ti4aede-^" eauttbtag eleliChl-
twirever Unduserredly, here to represent them. ..I„"rdils'iniosaitteitearilfie' mod
nEllik intend, by my opposition, to unpede the abases
;,;g:,,;.,jl"l"wed- "Itoy the ventral
tlietu to detrt errors; and to Islet theta elepue
oe-
ituuss'e of polslic proceedings ; liut,upon great con- t-cn-cwo„,* Their. is one nbservatiou of a Kiehl lion.
, I.ionial points, to stand here in my place, us the Frirudm
-"tite:ll°"'
Untie:lid guardian of the rights and liberties
the subject. ( 1 fear! /tear! hair!) Those 'the frtorl
.ha . are now out of office lard quarrelled with
rt..tiii,lout,lntirn: enhoew Ite anahleish eettl.e'.d "tit ill
ma".
t thecae intht atilt h:
eet
rfel.
le
Leelmeeleited to
jseriseinate between that refellOt atheitc.lsesOoklehhemf.
fluid that attempt at reforteetroe; whose violate, we/did 14
their muster, and they mete waned off ; but
they were surely to blame for not having done, east!tellis. in general,
that
threecti. tteelleusuaaehrplicaltetit.reattal uf Xmas!
*hen in °free, one of tiiose things they pledged That inettesc
theniseli es to Ito. 1 have often heard it said, that •• asir man ;I;t at the saute 1 eneVe"cietat'ascin'e„iiir f 311 "alai
tate broken ant i bankrnot fortunes were Inendt.d; are in some eases 'cesium, and that t,his .i'sesaiiitsl7-,ri eat"
in which to intiodaric an curb.. The gee. is'serwet t►hen
at I newer yet heard it silo:, that broken and awpiThSCl.it,of.n.t,benliti!..!itgihe-..th!Li oath; bet whoa he compares at
bankrupt characters -could he retrieved. It has there
erb often said, too, that One proof is worth a vt‘thod Ito the 'll'"hr.'l^uatil°l' 'mrtbehatiiik •HI
en
ilaaatt!
.1
'the eyil. of which the thiatrins.he_la rsa:oheaerte C4411%06,4 4.442111
thOW/711141 conjectures ; but here we have •11 .
oemar,,iyhen the Occasion it. fitolittist /pees semi lito term
idinit proofs 40 one coMecture. Yon vanstyty.,
iiterlaviehtirtlM4'dtrectiali 'labia a tuitehillic' rt oath ethacheal, buirtun_liernot • e erteitit to jestityt• a pe.eftyp..."
tiriißMlrtrar
14,4., healed in 0 owildlsZa asawstasi a5...t.,....e, ..a.
*teem-en...toe is constructed to take. We had • basil. h; as Mae awn, however ire-' i
formerly ' Nit': Bur Le's -Bill At.' 41e better seciir; luLtanti,7 we most "Ity4ft ta"t t' I afpreiri ,i(it its the.
ing the independence of this. UMW, and also ,vista. eet'ineviard thepeiritty is attached, and ihe brew& sate
In establiblt so avosonsicol reform. •He introduced :ndichdy3.llre,•;7l-414,,erIngueberpe:17,1„"ia."sayhtemfir peteinett'llinewkielhakt eittessegia.
that Bill, with all that parade of eloquence gild ' a '
lord shtitild, sad noses, 'ha:teens" atidadoelet *erg. b'laml.
'oratory,
-with which he was enabled to decurare
the Most
~tri6ial • stibjeet, in a.; ,lieu that )sou °nig* .""les"•adilir uf Pniih"tl Itiel'il., il a "din; I "1"1:i
hat the nearer re appitiach. In selection, sloe recieetabal
would Bare *unposed at every sentence, he said—
itzegi ornpousielvtunv; but vet; he snrvived the 0;1e- finecdteiPi;a"deitlbre"iii"fyPtilellonue,,roehiee'r"Faris.etwreed:lllistPt's7nto aj'attetify.
ration Of, kri....is own Bill. 4-1. boasted that he had such Practices a.m
airsick off places that 'Members of Iratalia:neot could noun a Itaoloot al thaacroas as it isuPtliti. c',llit ironS
c. I
au, that tio eoisiitry was ever Worse fx adbetiog to,atisi I
Pot vetoills Cid that it we. impossible you could hat;
tionoteei; and if we state to ' the poop., that that
a civil hot debt again. The sevret nerviest meitcv
watt limited to 10,0001. ;amt 744 we hove seen I.ord Lite: t,":1174711,",";:''„,`"!` cul.wri"'" *: 'l°
r'e...l....kri-
p.r.inir.,
Melville set that regulef totally et tlefiesice, anti attend-!:vat whok tait'etiounli SeVeefsitut oldecum;:: 'l
ICIIISC to give any aes:omit whatever of the iiiimunt we are placed is a hie., sphere, we are to an .tita'rte:44..-:art, lit 5.0 .
the rest of aloe world,,w are to tamp that t lserart.r •
•of that slim. so limited. end yet this llouse did not which is to pervade 11.11 1,016,11/14114. awl to gate see:sty.
acrid Lord Melville to the 'rower. In short, the
principles of the liiiiiia„ tni„d seem be, • I's
c""Pktim"
" 9tmuld
c4"I"I'T
""*'
.".6
1"I*
'4"14,
to as it render es casins% of rec. lain; • y petal le
were, immutable nail eternal. Br the admission tiny :my example injurious to the'mfillit. ofiltvistet -
was always n friend to a inveterate awl teciperitere74;rin ;
of this [hit the 'Rouse seem to tiiink that some-
daps I espoused it. Thome. outer wow,
tai 14g is Itte'r"'"Y to be done. The only 11"e°- iar"nroallesrYwoisiYi.;aftiet"tneriny more
. eautiutP., I see ne Plains to doufit the
luau is, whether this he a remedy fur the evil ?
eb.,1:t1.1 jot no laic latplrareeP. le
Ilm.' hope'r 1'1; atelPtlyt "t"ti I 'whew al
Our neglectiog to detect -and punish- the conspi-
rators will be mode MR rattlie for future, mitt, per. [Mew proceedings adopted upon either sidem. It se that
hops. h,„pi. growler 0it0,,e,. ft is now • opootth of tio sauna 1., be sight witch rays, that . moderate , gia a. 'a was
always the bristi'. Let the tiestlesotooliasasite a.•..-wee 11.44
years since the revolution, and vet we tee thief
cu
a „lost
acitsolainus
inter within
iwaitutheiniraacirotallly.atisabrisnt trafuLia, thus catmint theioselves
there has been carrying
heed, how, in iheir eaui:t!r;e.esa twietefl'rt :leaset
ethestith'epaitie irks
course between the Treasury natal this /louse—
, that foul adulteiniis intrranune, which loot Bern constitution under which Ike> raja:: snayh 'bile' i the
It '.• the peculiar natant of a lire Cl4l'll9lntla to adapt it-
selfmost .strmii ~,,, sly denied, but still sup- It
to
_die. r•ircamsta?tes of the i;nars; ciregmetaures are
ported anti
.tustilitsl. The detected Minister i
peat:Vat hia)liciertetinten eerreh,m: e'
l'a4 4bLe' ilh"1.1 be a rl'fre-
- still kPepS his plate unmolested. If any tnan es
k•iow to it a conspintcy exists against the cirrunstaisces .o‘f theat'intaes.•Cer.et as advance, but let of
the
Kings, lire.. would I, not lie treown, to „mt.' ra..r:- with (million; let as sot be ea:led erns 5 , r..asor 471%
tibel the constitution vLI far ask.. say that .t is we.
.? Stich is ilii; law of the lurid, that the conceal- ....",::`.l us
that se Should cherish its ranical 1
• moot-of that fact %retold be deemed so; and yet, is rii.•fe:.)! ."t" - . !'..eleatatiet
-
5 • ~...•
1 pet ow esinceolmeat. of these corrapt practice', Mr. vtlisrsitst—n lam out worry ll=the steeds of .ay
deemed a (wain,,(wain,,agsiust Cie laws of the country 1 ilsn. Friend, and that of the u Alpo, ite.
Tilla Rill, I any, luijst tend still farther to con_ abowld latvemtervencd hetiteen the lion liars.'s agilely , .
Asto the 'atrial under disrus,lois ,tart',} a subject wish
real those practices, iiisteitA of producing the re-
say the
. tio.os,,flavunt es speech wee
in.aly atoned. It is in vain for Its to 'oak for tstiuhctroh I tied
'tf 4 I 13 to
4
.i
the conatitution, if we do not look into the exist-
sebeltai'wceseatitti.ictinimi7itt ift°.tret:•tema"l'j!"-c'et el
al'atitall i4i:sl'.,ritthaetintetelime earn
usg taws of the country. Is Magna (.%arte, or pruposisflo toe Mauro. The abide 4
argument appears • to we 'to oat upon icaa ..mininiunius i Use
Bill ef R.iglits,_ or, the Art at' Settlement,l••
Rdatll.4, thus the proc7illags. to which
-e.-ea have wain
rertdert,-.1 obsolete? Are they 10 volinuistous that
they cannot Ira perused ? Thev are valuable tnii.t- ctils;treaclon:apt in
the
!lee n *l:ilttili" '-eii.
er'nl
tblein,
"CIOR a CalllbLot WI At, .i•- - sot} - 'WO . •
/114 riglit4, and it was tinder their aothorilv thot city. That lbw. ',,, Cert4r:"Povol n•lop thlboi..sob°l"rel'iotr auto',
il!
norainsirle or authoilt) cad :111ttiRS, tree!
b.A.tht. a: alter Guild briaeoire is, whilhei• these ,•••••‘ atm.!
the • 1"tille were to Le fairly itiol luny rel...te:ctited
in Parliament. How Wally balk hate wr iritased tat such a intitre • There are ctM:es ,shade Moat draw f
ernitirinatioit of those Ines? It' they 1,1. sail iii- dawn
fringed, I say that I and Vice people of England railer!' ;!alai'ito.i., Shim
the
h1b1.41 nuts, °"'l d'; '""e an> €ll°' P
I:actions to ! r Stain..
thawl,l 'LI
wishaeto lean',' hetist""-e• ere
-Its
. here a rh:lit to romplaiii. in respectful terms.l
it suitty of etch rorruntidius as have bola ii,entie:tieht-l. he
wh.,
hut sit Ai as, through' tire tai ;inn of the consti-
is rreyseed to tech 41 state of detrielstion as tin :bin Wahl-
tution, will. obtain redress. Many Geotlemen
in eSibetzkisenst and peculation b Let ea '
although frier of reform, argue that this is no; shwuaii,i.t.seet‘liadlll:lUl:::3;,.:!tr;ll/ IhescrlZO 0111.1b.restAumeeir any other we •
the time for it. It is Will tltAttlea, as it Mae iii-
~.., .7 soluie .b.o.rvkiit,..• Nl.4l2r.ititi;esoo b:;10":1 to
is
fa.
guru! by Charles Towns utl.tiont there rectums tutus.
that he Lid hail out output* minis y, andae
roma
hot lit for reform—fiat item or pi :.ce and tlic toot. 1""` to al"
of war. hit prate it interruPts our tranquillity, nut gee 1 : 'l"l:ti",upon '
uar ; Lny IST-ultri.;..2lSSlSlSh."'......abli fen
and in war it iiiterrn obi our prtiejedi,,,,,ingtiabeitui.itli:•.teur; 01:3,;:u•orart;iniotiiatkiroasr;au"lia..‘.;
Ble.ast:moi' .-gielli,-lilCituTo:idt.'etha---1 Ps' ---
--ne,ts.at
i
Onus niptinst our NI"
tint.' Valell PttritattlPlit wall completely rectify its ael'?°'.* to nmor ,harmarc Am .fattnY.4oa to use Pll, ye
cyr„,-,.? In • awn; nottnotc but n
..dmesete h•st .ri, and in tlx vecrratioe 'if nmakesel s anti Ido ma
wishilils ate,irZat'theeewitelthe glory, wt-"lail41" born
airZettleilkd • l'arliamentary reform eau rave tlw country
rat the rierse. S moment, or avert that burden of wide, tatty out at last to i.e entio'rept.iknaves, 'it-ti:l colsectss of
tasat:on Watt w •;.+1 the people are already tog ear 61,11,,,rid5:e sus coutetept• that what .a the asters of

s

these corraptirtae, and 'theft i. the mat of deity ! 'The law
• way certainly mike sea attioa coo/erupt, by snaking it illegal,
for theta the prelbromoice of it, from say interested motive*,
will eoesthole trorreptiom. sow, are these conoptium In
t hemsakes4—eire Iheyeresda is se, orenerely water poolenet !
ISti you 'strait.) asy,gmterally, that the disposal of places is
c .rropt ? I tired out quote the example of the Parliament
of Prance-1 natal not go to any other collate) for examples,
when I can hod Ilium its our town—have we op eaumple of the
site of plat esa-ohave we nose in the very sanetnaries of the
conatry—one there noae in the Chnech, sod in Courts of Law,
where we should least expert to lindmi erroneous or improper
principles Are titter nut lain) places sold ; and is not the
sale of mirk pierce perfectly moo Moine; ? I may go farther,
arid ask, what rail "molts from it ? They tie oliseliarged with
prupritty,mhey see WWI Lc !reams perf. et c telt (pate,
and nu inconeettieeetro4ii 1w stated to exist. The sale of
lava" le certainly of a more tiaestionable nature thus that
• •of law sit aations ; but ta every one who pnrelosom a living
to be set dowse as corrupt ? -Whether the law make' it tor.
rapt out, is another question; bpi let In not go 'moot the
atairroption that it is corrupt in itself, what tie assumption
ranted Ire supported Volt who are the corrupt pal ties ho this
'gramme tit. of sal... 01 the pellet, or both! 1f you
say both, and that the ; are a. Midas thaw who are detected in
c idwitzlemeet, y... 1 500... t go direetly to the corrupt intitience
Upon oleels altos to ii, eliergeol, the la/Menet, of property.
It will he impcos,hle to resist this, those aim wish to thaw a
di•tiartiou wi as to save thoonielyes the :unissiou, snap talk
of the tinny adraatagea wh:eli pi operte oldfitses ; they may
represent it as the talent of char:tits, the great iniiiirter, of
beacvoirace aril mercy. 'roe Poet has already said.
"` Lust thrones sonic fin Inin *trainers n ell reined,
is gee tic lure, and chariot. all woman
norl they, in imitation of bins, mar tepee...cm property pro.
"tots og virtue, b bile I hey atteeed to rooiceal the coreutn-
stl.l• r of it, t 0 og the sourer and tnal of rwroptaiii
Pc•opeely- lutist nlancii base a Cre.it iudoener. The laud-
la...!' the manufacturer, the shoseurper, will ospertive•
ly laduensge this.. o•, their employment, and lw able
M catuesand noel: roe s by the nioprAiriaoiom of olisommal.
I pont Ihr principle of those Gent lo into, all property rhombi
pre evelnoted , and the alai: wurhl h • lora lalataring wader
drlusiou in ncting upon the mippoositiom that it should he
wade nue of the objeets of representutiun. I mutt to kame.
ledge, boirree, that I am Si, fgt e friend to coon:limo, nt
loot to he as teem. to property. I would like to la sr tows ,
tlrd'entl the ielleinee of property upon_ tdris poieeiplee,
nor would! desire 'inner troll, thou pointib4 Ihr (diary
atd abetrolitc sleio an attempt. Th. optedion b. ewe is
is ii..e of al1041.1.11:;, and retail; the law may mete it
the retail, while it aloes the wholestge. It inns 'OO Inn"
a ski& Close ofepirits to be s. old under certain er roonstan•
eas, at lbw kitias time that it authorises the j01t...1141t0n of
)err,- gaatallMta but who would think of eotopt:mting
against the haelhhips of such • distinction ? In the sane nomi-
nee. the NW Peeishes the retail of bribery. 1 lease it to
th• 'loose, whether it would be politic to codes% our to re-
mold, by new :awe, an evil that en moot be prevented !
Hoe. Gent himself, who proposed the present method, donuts
thi allieney: and if there is so much doubt as to the immediate
effect of thus. triunes, how cautious sboald their edict.
talc, be is their antiripatios of the 'emote ones At
brie time, the Ifunonrahle Geotlemau eutertaitied flat-
tering homes of lois Pill; be considered It as the fore-
.l.l ober of airs ira ity and the modern, if ; it was
to perAwia noirietta, to eating Ow mem diseoutruttal, and t.o
reconcile the nuot sehorse. list now these saugotine hopes
sere Masted ; the had has net blosa ; it has scarcely felt Ilse
breath of Hamm. when all its frugrasee is nested aud its
• ifeshrerss2—:t was jape
"0 Beloved mod lost, admired and mourned."
I do not cornier it sutra lain; that semi, because they hate
risme- a the oiattitntion, and same hesitate they hate
t dist snow, became ghee are knaves, aid some, be-
teem they are the dupes... Moores, should e Oh tor 3 thence
40 the zorvernatent ender whirls they live. They are not all
fur the Vent. char er I Will 'Oink. The various combination
VI mutt. es le.. e.h.ch they see act tilted prude. es a treat dolfor-
ears '-o I lirlr worm. They contradict oath other au ealielgtidly
its the changes theelecommend, that irfatioishes no week ar.
geomat axainst the impulory of all. Ferry mart is 'Arty to
ham he view of the sortiject influceend by big oats politico-
- bitor eirearast antes. The landed proprietor will *nit for the
greennderewee of the landed interest. There is something
alba in tire present Sill, tbeuglo the Iloomoirable Hover
bee only itieruilurrd it in a parenthesis. l'he monied teas
mill oltaire to are the monied taro red stperior to Ili.. landed ,
sad smother class, the must numerous, though not the most
• Pameidakie, oartli respite, to politely, those who think
Okay Own talents, will Corniced for the superiority
Mork Itiast attiate either of the others. It is the
limy with theie genthonco to think their abilitim. are
not nersevied, that it is owiwg to some fundamental error
in the present slate of things, sumt radical defect in the ad
establishments, that they are aunt tench more ton-idereble
personages than they and th.m.a. tarsi they will therefore
always he for cl..mpe, is Audrey r lllaepe, and upon .ohatrver
principle. Abont tweet)-five )4 ites ago, on attempt was
made to orininge theeonstitu. ion of s he country upon theory.
It wies thonght that the tiocarnnartot was to.t reconci!abie
wish th. e. I;tr 01.'11111.Th:it is gone out of fashion, 110. mere
flit .try end spiritist ioneire nut euneidered • sallieient ground
for the oeerthrow of lung estahliahed forms, and therefore
✓otouree nose he hnil to connect sere subject with it, cum-
mensui ate to that tool that subjeet is taxation. There
ere persons alto go shout the cuoutry, like • wood-
pecker nisomt a tree, to pick up grubs and worms. 'They
may promise to remove this Imam Tait, that the people
may be discontented at its ectuti.inailer' sad Select and
magnifyabns..•s. Atter timatior cost...the dome of plates and
pensions ; hat thew who usaLe tie roe.pinint arr tho . teeters
in error ; It is Out lbs ce-erneeml, n ... the pimple plunder-
ing the people--it the Man Meal plenidering the
puldie. By • false moo :dory o.t their owe, they cult-
eider the prat advantage that most result to themselves,
aid the little injury to the .`' e, its Loy ease of natio-.
▪ To elreet is form, sr 14, particular, the people must
he reformed, the human, cloarsetir wont undergo a MIR
terial change from imperf;etion ton state. Another
head of ahem is that of paterriteo . 1 ereiet that I
was set present at the rival of' that kit Meh militia:tied to
Parliament, that I inigh; declare ma ws,timrut. azatuat the
majority upon that moment ; but I will ask Omer who
inveigh so loudly maim, patroiligt is general. hose much ,
of it is owing to that but-h 4of all woe, pop Mar elertiets !
How oftea dues an elector apply to his friend, the Candidate,
far s place fur his son ; and how often, when ansoceessfol,
&web, look cold tpo:s the Candidete' tad at the period of
the next Aro-lion attach biota :f to tleterlerndent inte..-st
God forbid that we •hootil.: mei sot- a 11,'.,' of Ceminaus


selatirlfuthorieed lion sit saying, that some measure might to
be take• to confute the system, and iseconisidered•the tore-
sent bill ellivient.
Lord Poste warren rte tail sald;tharrhe dill Lad bees
of to by only two of his Hon. Friends; the one, be-
cause it touched reform the other, because it did 'rot briug
forward the broad basis of reform He was not a person
that wished to support a riotous reform; or that would,
at a public meeting, set forth that the House of bounsions
was corrupt. It had been set firth at those places, that all
those who voted in (avian of the thil`.o. of York, on the charge
which was investigated in that House, were improperly in-
fiucaceil Yet lie would say' if he were Olt 3.0111 tO.IIIOITOW,
and the same evideuee rattle before him, he would give a ver-
dict of aequittalmnd he would prefer having the name of ear.
roptiou attached to his clam ucter to that of a reformer.
Wheu the favourite son of our beloved Monarch was by a
threateued vote of that !louse obliged to resign, in his opi-
nion it shelved the punts of the Represeututive Bdy, mud
which mast consauce cs ry discerniog mind, that the present
Bill would correct every abuse.
MeTt EENEE rose,aad said—" There is no mans greater
fiiend to reform than I ant. It has been my political tweed
ever since I knew what polities well. lint, I confess, I never
was mail cim ugh to consider it WE/ to be obtained by speeches
at the Crown and Anchor I coasider the method Mimi by
the Hun. Bart. and his friends, to he contrary to the means
of gaining the grand object It was 1101 by inflaming the
pahlic mind, and telling the people that Ministers were cur-
rapt, and that the Oppraition were iii the mine state, that
it was ti, be gained. I ought to be the last man to say any
thine against the public; but what I considered the public,
and tibial, I cultivated as such, were mender property ; awn,
also, from habits and education, were • able to form an
opinion. The !Immutable Baronet does not wish that
this Bill should be curried into a law ; and why t because if
you du away with corruption in the nmresentatirm, he will
hove nothing to romp' of; it has been acknowledged by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that corruption exists in
tilt purchase of seats iu Parliament, and this Bill goes to
annihilate that ceatuption, which, if ileac away with, will
not only take a feather from the wing of the Honourable
Baronet, hot will deprive him of a theme that he has
so often Lehi forth on. It is the lost time that I ewer
knew nip Right ilutwurahle Friend, (Mr. %%Inaba*,
mid the Maoism agree ,• they both oppose it, but on different
Immo& ; ueither of which I agree with; for, if corruption
is acknowledged, and stares us in the face, we ought to cor-
rect it 7 and, on the other hand, if we have the power of
minertion, we do not want that reform which requires the
interference attic people. I would draw a fair line between
and the Honourable Ituronet on the rmestioil of Re.
frm. He has not done any thing, except maSsilig speeches
on tatfles I base brought the question on the broad Muni ;
and when I (snout I conld not obtain my object, was satisfied
with getting that which iteereaus the oppreasiona of the
people. I have been in Ake, and am of militia., that a
man may be as homed in ofli :r out , perhaps the Hon.
Bar., i t may have enlarge a Airtime as not to require it; or
Ins habits of life might make it impolitic fur him to accept of
a situation 'under the Crown ; or p:rhaps he newer was tamed
a situation ; and without hr was placed in one of those edits-
lions it was impoessible (ruin mere theory that Ito could have a
ktiowled7e of the feeling. amen in office; and however per-
suns' and I.npri.ssive the 11011. liart.bad bees in other places,
I trust tlint his eloquence leas not mark u greater impreasioa
ma this lionise than it deserved ; as to an. personal allusions
made to myself in those places, I freely forgive; lint I trust
that the H 0.,. Baronet in Future will be more climbing
another Him fientiesnan (Mr. Wanlk), had slated he html
turned his 'fetal to the dimmers of the country, awl if a lie-
fin m in Parliament took place, that the lin:ouve Tax might
be dispensed with
Sir Fussell Busteirrv, in explanation, said, that BOW
he had animadverted on the conduct of the Right lion
Gentleman' Mr. Tierney,) yet he never ~coked to him
having left his office wills his pockets full of money, because
ho was not lung enough in office to arcoinpliall it.
Mr Wanaice said, be had stated, that by a Rename
s considerable saving might be obtained ; but he utter ins u•
tumid the inconied ax in particular.
IT,. al A 1101711.11 31MerVell, that, relative to the imeaeure he
had brought to the :mike of the House (Parliameatcry He-
forin, be conceived he Lad done his cloy, and left it to them
to diserimisate the most tasigiWe shape to further its being
carried into effect.

Sir R c trn Mt!. . *r•' stwprort of the Bill.
Mr. Wm. A nAii, is h lung awl filo ;smut *patch, also top•
ported the Bill.
11r. A Dams caressed hifaatitin favour ier the Bill going
to e Comittee. _

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I.old LYTTLETON said, that thongl he was not sangnile
in Its ev.peetationa of the effeCt of the Bill, still be wiliest it
should Ire allowed tom, to a Committee.
r. BARRA'S (amidst a land cry of vacation! eneetioli!)
called upon as Hon. Gentleman to explain upon what
grounds he had stated 0141 eleven millions sterling might be
annually saved by a Reform in Parliament.
11r. WARDLE said, that no ivelectlon ought to be east op_
on him. for an assertion which be could prove, if papers, for
which bonus willasK to move, would he allowed, but which,
trio', the advanced stale of the Session, be could nut expect
would he granted.
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rt•-ills r:•4 then entered tato a general reply against the
arguments which had been opposed to Ins sad argued
the neeessit‘ of its adoption.
Lord Poticileseel explained, that he sot introduce
the snlicet of the Duke of Vert into the debate.
tie. Pr arEV AL, auto', t ^ wry of" gentian," Mae and said,
that luria,t iaplained Lis awl:lntent! on the snhjert very fet.
ly on a former night, he iti.l not think it accessary to say
more than to typeat, that be felt all his objections as
strung as when he *toted them ; still, however, he thought
it sibriarable to go tats the Cunionittee, its order to see
whether nay thing practicable euiald be &rigid. The
skewer complained of, was certainly not punishable by
no) statute whatever, all of which were directed against
bribery and cortaistiOn, a barb this wail not. When thie
Dill Caine vat of the Committee, be should reserve to him-
self the Itherty of anemia( to it, if rendered practicable, or
ehe of rejecting it, at the hazard of all thew evils which be
was straw would attend such a rejection.
The G 411,1 r was then cleared of strangers, but the ques-
tion that the Speaker leave the Chair wag agreed is without
a &voltam.

The Speake► left the Chair. pro forma ; and the House
having reamed, the Counnittes was appointed to sit again
on Tuesday next. •
The other Orders of the Da? were then Ilisrowei of, and
the Howe adjourned at half-past three, to this day.

ronot.titteal esetuoieely spun the peistfple of popular
election. The HonoursHe Bacispet would del.:troy that
suet of influence by which elerttoto are kept steady,
and found all upon th. varysni., turbulent *relent of
ropelar arts, that worst Lind of corruption. Ant man who
Ur limo the people at a populer ekrtiun, must we, that if all
was to rest upon these, the v....anarchy could not exist f.r
twelve nonitho. I would not .spunye Oil popular repro.-
oen•••ion eltirely, any more than I would the roar,. ho- Mr. ERSKINE is the second Nlinister at a Fo-
r mess. I would just take ao wool of both to we have
alroadi., and hese (briers and prospered wish. The Ito. reign Court, who may be calif to have been die-
susraitte Nero:set seems inclined to ram Isis iIIIVR dulrate avowed by the member. of His
.mAjksur,a ca.
ler by siscrisoy all others. I I'm out know what sacrifices the
H.,.., senuwe h.. node to prove his sinettiiy—lint others Motet, during the progress of the present Session
bate mode sarrific,s, and &ref...tined to• confidence allieti of Parliament, and within the course of only a
he cannot claim. A di xterous repetition of the ales rug's.,
few weeks. *Flit: Earl of (Ave.:arum. heavily ern-
ear knave, to auft4ient to establish a popular char ttttt at
any time; it is • low art—there is hut inn lover. Ind o'4 sured Mr., Fiume, for lia•ing employed CHAR-
T. the set of crimping. Ido not wish to are, and I hope I
icier
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~ ,a, eh. nominal road ,t, paii.,,,,"isich lIIILLY a! Ibis Atessetigrr to Sir Joust Slloritiv.. Mr.
all Ilse rt Awnless are siviiifeotly driving at." CANetan, in the other [loose, disowns c pletely
Lir. H. Hairnet er -aid, there was not le danger Iron,. .
et .
es ut ..
th . e ,I ,
renty .
than
*la. taas,,,,se of the Hon. Rafsillet there !rowswas
those as amnions addend by hie Right ltd. El irsol tllr. EttsatNE with the American Government, it. un-
IViiiitisiiii). It. rem. tril.. ral a .....tdital twin., nmarricil 1'
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mi..
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t.s that thmalr. . he, h
it;:tir..ac Lot itif. nisi 1.0, 411 I contraly to, his instructions.
bens% a Mention of if w,.ohllia-r pr.. utor.l his burin!! beets The A inixispatior to Spaist hiss been already sit -
ipmucedeed kw a Writ. U..{.a... .•tr.l. a corrupting einstvit, perretiell. No ()mild Mr. ERJIII/16 must be iu
that nos& moons Hi poser 041. sis, it vas rot a cie•e for
. ititersinewkary inter*vewcr. He then eionotent4 on the like manner recalled trout his sitontion at Wash.
1111116110111.11 tiPt a forth by Mr. nisstiltwo, and rhooppruvarl of ,
intstou. We contem,^tbat o:, first itternsing the aft-
- altimeth. r, as be conceived the own of telcot was ...-
E,
and ought to be equaliard, with the ma., of lasolt-il imiatious catered into by our Envoy beyond the
ty or monied iatorest. Ha 11•PlIwireril the lull, dolt bud. Atlantic, we were forcibly impressed with the coo-
arknowteitser that vest. it Portionless( sere wid,wkiek j
am baldly stated, ever ls) the 'enlistees of the country ;A ctliatoi7 nature of the concessions there made to
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