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removed in the interim, he would bring forwaid a
rotation on the subject, the next sesames of Parise.
incut.
PRIVATE TRADE FROM INDIA. ,
Mr. PILENDERUAti rime to move for those papers
which he had called for on a former night; but
winch nue he hail witlidrawii, for the purpose
of ercentaiti sner %boil of them bud beet' before
',rioted. In doing this, he took oceaqiiii to rum-
It ots sir the misrepresentation made by cerium ( :els-
i lemen, of the statement lie hail made a ith respect
to this -ii!lcet. Fur instaiwe, the floss. Chairinaii
in the Coen of Directors had usiserteil that he boil
drawn his iiitormatioa iron the memorial °WIC 1111
%Att. MetelllMlN Now he li. hi in hi, hand the tollrr of
the Court of Directors, &twit the ittli °anise. 1803.
regolating the freight hositewerils at 111. fir peace.
rod 141. for nay. Nil sit:ler regielnt hook place till
29tli of .lii_ust, IS0.;, a hen the wild tales, writ'
•;„ntiii co:dinned. la the acriso.i of 1.404.41. WI tXti a
ships were sent out to India, 'memo as was rigid, to
their bting employed as trinisports. This was the
very gamind of the compl.mils Ilie puiVala liaer-
(Await,. nerds., iseissuigeli as they were not suffered in
such a I'Llt•OstO 14444 their own ships at such rates H.
they iniOit ioneuie. flowerer, under the faith of
the la.t pc ))))) tolgottoo, they lorded their cargoes on
blond of starch uf the regelai ships 'of the Coo/pally
Its could l's spared.. for wait of roll tongue., with-
out entering iota any i.e.:4361er lyargam on the rub-
ject of freight. Ois dais is rn vid Do Loudon, the COW..
patty levied r freight of no less than 441. pet too,
whit Is they 'were enabled to iha. by hoeing the polls
in their ois'ii possoisiiii, ; this. lie cootemled, was in-
justice, tool, lie might add, tisowi. as the reguln-
boos. inakiiig any sideam ron the freight, wore lea ,
promulgated tall the 30th July, Ilstr, .I•IJ the suer-
cleints Joel previously shipped their ea: goes upon
the faith Of the former regulations. Ily the last
regulations, the stlierge fur freight was toady to
-here a retrospective etfect, charging for the )ear
Wu, dol. 10s, per ton ; fur the year linsi. all—iii.;
NW so oil prugressively to the amount of 441. per
ton. This he statel from Lis owl' kiln.% lede, from
his lacing on the spot at the time, mid concerned iu
the trittoktetiou : and lie felt himself obligerl to
make the present stetemeid, iu order to clear hign-
self 11-oni the iuipututi )))) throw., on his 'ensures
upon the former ing•lit ; and, upon *hies; he
thoiteht himself wurnuited in retorting the i'ltar..se
of injustice upon tlw maker of it, at he had u7l-
vunced no false etatemeid whatever; hut, on the
.contrary, whet would lie found fully justified by
the documents he moved tin. lie then moved the
prodisetion of wveral peepers. and the re-printing
some of them, which had been before printed, spe-
cifying such in the list.
Mr. Dun D ti said, toot having already declared
Le slid lint mean to oppose the prodn4 of the
faqirs's, lie slid lint wish to say any thing On the
subject ; hut as the ditienemion wits thus, he thonglit
umbecesoarily, renewed, he WS, obliged to make a
few observations. lie would. not pronounce any
°lion"w whether the regulations of 1793, re-
erecting the private trulleri were or were not the
best, or whether any, and what regulations were
twerssary, us this was tint the bine for entering into .
details on the subject. 'rherefu'ire, when they were
told of injustice and fraud, lie could 'um, but think
this was not the time for the npplieation of such
strong terms, without the resiiiifity of affording an
opportunity of repelling die charge at the elsi.e or
a session. by the. production WWI cooside;ration
of the papers; it would be iworekest In wait fin the
papers thesinwlves, thaw to form au opionni 'vim a
mere partial statement
Mr. Wed.cacx said, he leaf on the former night
asserted, not that the facts were nutria', for iu them
they were agreed, but that the inferences drown
from those facts were without Coagulation, and that
therefore they were unjust. Ile hail atm said alias
was true, that the extru-ships failing. the merchants
an • Allowed, at their own request,to load theCum-
psiny's ships at the price the Company the:melees
paid for freight, natioly, 441. per ton. fir did
also my, that romplainino.. Its MetCltilti, of taut
getting their corgries freighted sit 141. pee ton. they
did in their character of ship-owners actually let
their ships to the Company, In 1793, at 241. per
tine ; and that therefore it was wholly unreasonable
they should expect to lieullowed to send home their
cargoes at the less freight of 111. per ton.
...1:4..011 4-. his former
Mr, ciIiANT spoke in justiA ii J.
stateineut. The facts were simply these:—fu
1793 it ass agreed by the Emit Indio Company,
that tomiage, to the amount of 30001. should be
allowed to the private traders in the Company's
shift,. •In two or three years after, allow iiitee was
gives, to bring houie rice fruut India, mail this wave
rise to the idea of euiploying India-built ships for a
cargo home, which was resisted by the Cowpony.—
At length, in 1802, an agreement was entered into
et Inflicting ships in India, and vending them home
footled, at the rate of 141. per ton, in case of war.—
The War did take plaice in 18113, end rto addition
was tuaile for that year. 'llte next year, 1804, the
expeuse of freight. tovther with eve►ry other ex.
penes. iiiereasing on the Compssiy, they found it
lit'Vetßitry 10 will to the freight of the private uter-
i hail iii proportion.. real " " 64"" Ye" in Y"r• '
This was raid to he a contempt of law, and therefors
injustice: now their was no law regulatisser pi rows-
nesitly the price of freight. and therefore there
Icould he no injustice iu regulating it aecording to
enemas's:own, ..

Mr. lIHWAIIIIII considered the effect of isicreaso
ing the freight oil the private melodist'', as has in_
thiowii n great pert of the British trade into the
hands of foreign Pogo; and savior(' the oull'ering
the merchants to import their comnowlitie. in their
own shipping ; stilject, himeter, to the inspection
and contioul of the Company, both at their load!.
Mg and lauding. Such a niencure would, ke wee
sure, !wing the whole trade of India into twit
Thames, no the Company were capable of offurdiug
greater protection than any other power.
Mr. PETER Moons: concurred in the motion, as
conceiving that every paper possible to inform the
~intro' R. to the trade of Nth'', *NO 111,W illipnrt'
Old ; brrau4e, when the Charter of the East 'tuba
company was about to be renewed. every one was
intereoted. particularly. the private merchants, ems-
circled in the trade of India.
Mr. Plll SOKROART %poke « few words in reply,
and toe beverdill Pampers were ordered is printiol.
Mr. l'nuno sssss .r isfterwords, al:siding to the
Eircurnstonee he had mentioned on the former
otght, of toe dismissal of Mr. Samuel

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a servant of the Conn:may. for being concerned in
the trade of indigo, while the Chairman of the
Court of Directors (Mr. (:iant) was allowed to
bring drat article
.home Irvin ludia.,in violation of
f the bye-law. that uu Director aliouid be 1.. .termed
yin any trading speculation, and unridoriug what
he conceived a partiality, as likely to product: an ill
' effect on the respect which ought to ,be kept up for
all the traiewictious of the Company, nutted—
" there be laid liefoire tile !louse a copy of the
oath or ollice taken by theCtlllri 111 Director!, the
of the Company, prohibiting air, trade
brio{ curried en by troy Director; the bye-lute
making ail exception iu favour of Mr. Grant; and
the minutes of the resolution of the closernne and
Connor of Beni. of on the subject."
Mr. Geis r made a short expl.matiou of the cir-
taiistauce, as tar as he was concerned, of the crta-
litisloun-iii of the trade in iudige, fioni India to this
01 which hewn* the promoter, and
in iiin an feciere of which lie had embarked a
rem hrge capital. l pros his retion Irma India, lie
hail beets elected into the office of Director, %t hen
no law esi.ited against that 13oartl being concerned
in trade; aftt mord*, in )79 ~that law was enacted.
and he aeon Oita .ocritatoe sitthd his case to the.
Conitreny; and the C0116e1411C111.0 Mill, that, upon two
(kismet Goitres, it was agreed, that he Jul not come
..Alin the spirit of the teitulmani. If lie wile
compelled to choose between las alituatitat as Li-
rector, awl die giving up of his picipert, he Auittlii
Ise compelled to elect the forint r. lk„ however.
had idgection to the motion.
Mr. bIUNDAS Saw no ground for the motion, as
there was a 6 charge agatitst the HA/17. CilHil IMMO j
and, if there its*, :t did not come muter the Jeri.-
dtctinu that House. The wl ale of it was, that
the Hon. Chairman having promoted a t
portaLt branch of commerce, WUa allowed to retain
hue property in it; this was no circumstance to IW
duce n supposition be Iseuld set contrary to hi.,
duty as a Director; and it would Ise a bad reward
for Ibis putt services, to deprive him and the c
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puny of Isis biture exertiosis.
Sir June. ANSTiII; rims concurred in the aline
wittinniiiiv; and the Compatiy had a right to
make whet regulations and what exception* they
ideated. The ease was this : Samuel Aliiitlleton,
a judicial iwrvatit of the ceipetiy, hail, as such,
takeu nn oath he-would not lie concerned in any
trade whatever; in breach of which he had entered
into a trade iii the article of indigo.; for which he
had been dismissed their service. Where then was
the resemblance between his case and that of the
Hon. Chairman ? fie was decidedly agaitiat the
motion.
L'ETF.R Moors declared he hail ta'AIVR an
'active part in erumoting the Lye-Law, *lnch ea-
chided all concerned iii trade from the Directory ;
of any one arraigned tiled, it should be ill the lodes
House, and nut there, The fact war, the Wu.
Chairman waa not concerned in trading. bet
merely brought home the produce of hiss estate,
like alit' other property, lie advised the 00000 me-
able Mover to withdraw lii. motion, and tipple
liinaself to the Judie House, where lie would Mel
justice.
Mr. Pair; oeeessr, in eansequence of what had
hero stated, touseuied to withdraw his motion,
which, after a few muds from the CHA !WEI. LOR of
the Emmet/fur:a (alio objected to it, es wishing it
tailor negatived), was agreed to without a
SEAT% IN PARLIAMENT 1311. L.
On the samosa of Mr. Centsca, the House re-
sumed the conselernticil, of the Report of the Com-
mittee tip= tins Bia, and on the motion of the
CHANCELLOR of the Exenegumt, they went into
a Committee upon the first clause.
In the CoinniiHre, the CHANCELLOR of the Ex-
cdagtetat proposed a new clause, instead of the for-
mer clause, which should not imply that a person
wits, was 11111111, Map-Abed from sitting for spy par-
ticular county, city, or place, should be excluded
ft sitting for sue other comity, city, or plaCe,
to tier wane Parliament.
Mr. Bee Res proposed an amendment to this
clam-, by which persons found guilty of bribery
and cm roption should he incommoded front sere- .
tug in the seine Parliament to which they led been
returned.
Alter a few words from Mr. TIERS rY, and the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, a division took
',lax ou this amendment to the proposed clause :
Against it . 74
Fur it
Majority' GA tic Claw'.
Upon our relit' Ls the House hart restimed, null
was consideriug the several new clauses in Coe Re-
port.
Upon the clause which declared the illegality, of
any express agreement or coutraet fur offices to
procure a seat in Parliament.
Lord MILTON moved "That the word • express'
be omitted as it would totally do away the etiect and
indention of the Bill. it being sufficient that such
an agreement could be implied', from concurring
eirceimitauces of evidence, to be considered by a
Jury."
The Citasictra.ott of the. EXciteaufia and the
Illart.teeroe-Geisialat urged their former urguments
in support of the itisettion of the word " express,"
its there coull he hardly a ease of contested elee-
tiou in which en ohjecrton might tint thereby be
urged against any successful Member, who might
have hail au opportunity of procuring an office for a
friend, and thereby great difficulties be occasioned
in the tleterinination.—An office might he inuocent-
ly given, but mosey could not be so; and the
amiss' of this word would multiply litigation,
amp the numhrr of petitions to unseat filembers.
from theee who hail hero disappointtel.fhe
way to prevent thew petitions., would he for Govern-
mein to give all the places they had the disposal
of to their opponents.
Lord Posen esTra thought that, if it were aided
to bring the Bill it:to disgrace with the country, no
words could be used more effectually for that low-
pose. There was no reason to apprehend that an
English Jury, era Committee of the House. should
give au improper constraction to the word implied. '
If they excluded the word raged, and inserted
the weird preened. the country would think they
were giving an exclusive right of pre-emptiou to 11
the Treasury.
Sir hmects Bultot:TT supported. with his usual
force of argon:met, the proiiiiety of exaluding the
word "express ;" as, in his °pluton, it would ren-
der the 13111 cutgely nugatory. The arguttie.ut of
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