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SEDITIOUS MEETINGS PREVENTION BI

Mr. BsittiLTT presented a Petition front the in-
habitants of Rochester, against the Bills now pend-
ing in Parliament for restricting the liberties of
the subject.
SOUTHWARK PETITION.

Mr. CahvinrrOse to present the Petition of the
Inhabitants of Southwark, a Lich was signed by
6,000 persons. The Hon. Member declared his
cordial concurrence in the sentinieuts expressed
the Petition—his abhorrence of the dispersion of
the meeting at Manchester, and his conviction that
when 50 or 60,000 persons could be so dispersed
without resistance, it was quite uknecessary in arm
the Government with the measures of coercion
which they were now hurrying through Parliament.
He recommended the adoption of a different course
to alleviate the distresses of the poor ntantifacturers,
.sod not charge them indiscriminately wish being
radical reformers. He concluded by moving that
the Petition he brought up.
Sir ROBERT WILSON, in seconding the motion,
spoke in the highest terms of the respectability of
the persons aho had signed this Petition. Their
object was to preserve order, and not to promote
anarchy, by which they would become .ienvy suf-
ferers. The Hon. and Gallant General eulogized
in eloquent terms the privileges of the people, and
contended for their preservat . He feared, how-
ever, that Ministers were Preparing a new revolts.
tioossy code, calculated to outrage the feelings and
dearest rights of society. He also severely unlined.
vested on the Libel Bill. sod viewed witli horror
the denunciation of death for a violation of
one of its provisions. The domiciliary visits in
search for arms were also (heedful, and horrible were
the outrages perpetrated under them in Ireland,
and which he hoped his Hull. Friend (Mr. Hut.
chinson) would not detail to the House. It had
hitherto been the boast of nit Englishman, that his
house was his castle. Lord Chatham had formerly
said. " Not that it was surrounded with moats and
battlements; it might be a straw built shed—the
elenieuts might whistle through it—tbe birds of of*
air might make it their habitation—but tile King
could nut, the King dare not enter
This right of nocturnal search was dreadful, and'
exposed the leonine, of their families to every species
of outrage. For his part he should never suffer hie
family to be aiolestrd by such a wanton intrusion.
The Petitioners hoped that the House would re-
move his Majesty's present Ministers ; if, however,
they did .not, and still teposed in them their cope..
depee, then the Petitioners hid still the coneolatioa
• left, that in the brave.and gallant spirit of English.
.
pen they had st,goarantee against the long duration
„,eT: these elsains.with which their oppressors would
fret and chute and gall them.—(Hear.)
The Petition was then brought up, read, laid so
the table, and ordered to be printed'

MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
Messenge►s from the Lords brought down the Bill
which th►ir Lordships had pass-d, to prevent delay
of trial iu cases of misdemeanor.—lt trot trod a
first time, mud ordered for a second reading Oil
Wednesday next.

SEDITIOUS MEETINGS PREVENTION BILL.
Lord CAsTLEREAGII .rd Our Order of the
Day fur die,th ird reeding of the Seditious Meeting•
Pievesition Bill.

Lord A. lissituroa rose to lament the necessity.
in which hr felt himself placed, of v ~, i , tic fur the
prevent measure. He regretted much that an this
occasion he had to &Mr from the friends with
whom he had uniformly acted. He ditrered with
them from his knowledge of facts respecting the
pert of the country with which he war More im-
mediately connected, and from that ktiowledge
was under the painful necessity of supporting this
Bill. In doing so, be felt all the objection* that
d been urged to the principle of Ilie and
all their force aid) reference to the isivssinn of the
rights of the subject; but it was notorious alma, of
those rights, and the manner in which they were
exercised to the destruction of the rights of others,
that had rendered the measure. necessary. He goose
this cute with regret and rrhiclatice, for lie yielded
to no man 111 hit veneratinti fur the cooetitutionicil
rights of the people. These rights would. he
thought, be upheld by this Bill. Ile, however,
regretted its duration loud tint beet' limited to three
years; and he begged particularly to guard himself
from any supposition, that because lie wooled on the
present roc casino with Ministers, his vote implied
any assent to their general principles, or (het he
had altered one single view lie ever previously
held of the impolicy of their measures. With
respect to the affair at Manchester, till lie had to say
was this, now that all had been said at both sides,
that whether that meeting was or was not legally as.
ambled, it was clear to I • t had been illegally
dispersed.—(flenr.)—He also et gly lanosided
the t r ru ba I of the motion to inglitre into the state
of the manufacturiov, districts, alien it was know,'
so notch severe and i l • hog distress existed among
the lower cloiontes of the people, %Inch had so strong
tendency to excite some of time,,, to set. of oil-
mull. It was one sourer of regret to those who,
like him, were anxious to put down sedition, that
too accompanying measures we're petit birth to Hilt...
%idle distress. In fine, lie latnetsted the necessity
which compelled hint to vote for the nrrsent mea-
sure, thou Rh his vote involved no alteration of his
views, with reference to the general option lie en-
tertained of his Map soy's Mionstets.—Wecir.)
Mr. C. HuTotiNsum ...lid, that lie regretted Isis
Noble Friend on the floor (Lord A. flaisoltiolo)
should have considered it to be lots duty to support
the present Bill. He load toot the same relitetaisc*,
as the Noble Lord had in giving hi: vote this
night. It was because lie bud arrived at a perfeccly
opposite conclusioto, dist lie had come resolved to
oppose the third reading of this trill. lie felt it to
be his duty to declare his dissent to this limit, mid
to the whole series of similar measures. He had
observed the mode of governing this country acted
on for • number of years by the Noble Lord ((:ase.
tlereagh) mid his colleague', and it was because
he had seen no:hing on their part but a desire of
waging war against the liberties of this Conti-
try and of all c tries; it was because he saw
them attempting at !tome what they had filed la
effecting abroad, and that they had now d-vosed
system of severity 0101 coercion for the United ,
Kingdom, that 11r .honied it his:duty to hat up his
voice against them.—(Hear./—lt w:s the aline
system which had been long pursued tb:t was now
in operation. Having failed in America, having
succeeded in desolating Ireland, having made de-
clarations over and over to induct the people to
support them in their want against France, that they
had engaged in it for the purpose of uvrttorning
despotism and tyrniony ; now at the end of live years
of peace the people found, that insteed itillirring
to their promises, they were determined to eheliaits
closely all who dared to resist those plans of in.ite-
patiois mod tyranny on which they load cosistuntly
proceeded. But the principle of the measure had
been so ably examined by Gentlemen who 100 l be-
fore expressed their seiatitnents, and probably would
be by others who should succeed loin, that lie
thought nothing necessary for loin suit this
ucca-
, but to register his opposition to it. Unless
the Members of that House, who were hostile to the
Noble Lord's views, were prepared to conic haul
to hand with him iii resistance, he could assure
then, that he would ton certainly establish that syse
tam of tyranny which he had long ago framed.
Ile believed it was because the ryes of the
country were now beginning to tie opened to his de-
vigils, that the Noble Lord took advantage of the pre-
sent slight disconteio, occasioticol chiefly by distress,
to introduce measures subversive of the rights and
liberties of the nation, and which would etiectoially
prevent the expression of public o; l i 000 on.—(liersr.t
—He thought the Noble Lord felt no applehros
10011 fbr the general tranquillity from the state of
the country, but that dreading the loss of his place,
lie had contrived to inspire a false alarm, and raise
0 general panic. No individual was less. interested
in, or cared fellA about die question, what set of men
numaged the affairs of the country, and were a blank
paper to be put into his hand that night, lie should
scarcely take the trouble of filling it top with a
list : but he really was of opinion dist if the Noble .
Lord and his colleagues presided much longer over.
the affairs of this country, the people of tt would
he driven to madness. l le had risen so early in the
debate, for the purpose of stating his deferent's:t-
un°, should the question for the third reading be
corned, to move dirt Ireland should be excepted
from its operation. It would he recollected los what
almoner the Noble Lord had firm introduced the
mention of Ireland in the present Session. Ile had
stated that it was perfectly quiet and loyal, and
took credit to himself on that account. He said
he had known Ireland iu other times to be in a con-
dition extremely different, and thanked God that
it was now entirely changes!, mud completely tran-
quil. Ou the first night of the Session the Noble
Lord had represented the state of Ireland to he one
of perfect tranquillity end prosperity ; oat the eecoml
night he repeated the etatesient, and said that lie
•uly wished to carry the tneaeures so far as to pre-
- Wire public order, and that soy further exten-
sion of it would be an injury to the people.
The disturbances in the manufacturing districts
lied been alluded to 111 the speech from the Throne
last Session, and in the speech at the beginning

of this Session they had been told from the same
source, that they had come to an alarming height,
and she statement had been confirmed by the Noble
Lord, and by other Hon. Members. These mea-
sures had accordingly been proposed to meet the
alleged state of England ; hut he asked, was not
Ireland tranquil ? he had not heard one Member
say otherwise. The Noble Lord undoubtedly
wished to support hie own measure—the Union.
He did not desire to change the condition of Ire.
(anal to one of general disaffection and disturb.
rucr ; that could not he his ohject ; hut such
wesolol be the consequence, he feared, of subjecting
her to rig enactments totally trowelled fur
by her situation..—(Hear, hear.)—With respect
ID the prosperity of Ireland, he must deny that as.
sertion; lie tort (141 are that the Noble Lord had
barn totally room:ikon and ignorant of the situation
of Ireland whtit he motored on such a decharetion.
To what was the indebted fur her prosperity ? Was
it to her total want wf trade an manufactures ?
I le believed • the only flatirishing trade now carried
on in Ireland was the costriabsed trade. Was it to
rlisentreship? Was it on a naked and starving pea-
pantry that lie relied in proof of his proposition ?
Was it on the davit' arising from religions dis-
unctions ? The Noble Lord would give the people
of that country unqunlitied einatictpation, and he
was right ; but he maked him, front what quarter
had he derived his intelligence of its prosperity ?
In opposition to it, lie could refer to their petition
of last year, preying a repenl of that oppressive im-
post the window-tax. If it were desired to promote
coulosion and rebellion to that ill-fated land, the sp.
plicetion of this measure would contribute to it wore
thou any act which could be devised. Popular meet-
lugs to effect Parliamentary Reform might he a pre-
text for carrying the measure here, hut he challenged
soy Gentleman to quoit nu instance of one such
meeting in Ireland, even to declare its sentiments re-
specting the atrocities committed at Manchester oil
the 16th of August. Ile should he glad to hear
from the Noble Lord some resorts why this Dill
should be extruded to Ireland.—(Hear.)—lt did
not fallow that because sa severe a statute was
called Inr in England it should therefore he neces-
sary in Inland. Ile had two precedents to establish
this. The eusieension of the Habeas Corpus Act
in 1817, to Great Brionin alone, without including
the sister island ; and the suspending the same Act,
and introducing military law info Ireland exclu-
sively in one night ost one occasion sinwe the Union.
Perhaps he owed as, apology to the House for ob-
truding himself rut their attention at so early au, hour.
He called on the Irish Members to assist him iii
the attainment of his object. If any of them could
assign any reason opium him he should be happy
to hear it ; but Sine one could, and still they with-
held their support. thew lie appealed to the Eng-
lish 111rnibers. Om of the arguments' used for
carrying the Union was, that questions relating to
Ireland would receive Ili the Imperial Parliament a
wore fair and impartial 'tearing than they had re.
carved it *out. Here was one, however, the Catho-
lic Question, though he should not so much call it
an Irish es ill imperial osses in favour of which all
the regiments oddest-ed. were constantly found to
he. but the majority of voles against it. But
it might he said that Gentlemen from Wales,
puts of England. mod of Scotland, could not sup-
port this intended motion without injury to them-
selves, and with consistency. while they voted for
applying the law to all parts of this island. He
did not see whys—the question did not touch any
.interest of theirs, and they hid pledged themselves
at the time of the Union to bestow au impartial at.
imam, to the interests of Ireland. Now he total
the. Hauer, unit there had toot been time to
receive communications from all parts of Ireland,
yet he had that day received intelligence from
Dublin, which represented • considerable alarm to
hare been produced through the country at the im-
pudence of Ministers in daring to propose the
extension of the 801 l thither. when they had at the
stone tame devcribed it to be perfectly tranquil.
—(Hear.)-11. the 'Noble Load was resolved to, go
toothier. and pram the Bills for the prevention of
Llasphemy, and shrilling amid training, for Ireland,
sorksere blasphemy, rod drilling :and training, did
out exist, he should appeal from him to the good
sense anal liberality of the Members of the (loose.
If Minister* woad', lessen the load of taxation, de-
vise means for cultivating the waste lands. cot out
some cloomela by which the capital of this country
might flow there. induce some of the absentees to
return, and the gentlemen generally to think more
of their country and its populat 1111 l , instead of
fretting them as shears, and coining here to
strengthen their hands, that would be a better me-
thud to advance the prostwrity and secnre the trans
quality of belied. The Right Hots. Member for the
University of Dublin had came here. and with great
authority (in authority which his talents and learn-
ing always produced) had pronounced the Mooches-
tee meeting to be illegal. He sincerely hoped tl:at
that that Right Hun. Gentlemen's public chi-:
racier would not suffer from the course he had
taken ; but he put the Torsion' to him. would be
stand up and say, that there was any thing in the
eircusessauces of Ireland which called for the oper-
ation of the law there any thing in any of
the new measures which had the least nppliestion to
that country ?—was it frosts a principle of revenge
that the Irish Member,. Hooted the part they did ?
did an Irish Member (Nlr. Plunkett) of very great
legal authority, and *evenly others, leave their fit.
sullies and cause over here to aid in enslaving Eng.
(mid? He moth! *store them that he had left his
family, root to assist in such a purpose, but to pro.
tect them. The Right Hon. the President of the.
Board of Control had made an oration of two hours
long (which, by the bye, had nut the least apish-
esti 111 l to the question) in support of she mea-
sures. An Irish Secretary hail exerted him.
self in favour of that sostent of control and en.
ercion in which he find unfortunately been
but too well practised at the other side of the
water. A great Captain, an Irishman also, for
whose trauscendent talents he hart sAriisys felt and
expressed the utmost admiration. was prepared to
lead ass English army. nut spouse an'enemy. but
against the people of England. It was d follow.
fug up of the same principle* of governing which
had commenced the America', war,
.put down all
independence of spirit in Ireland, esigagerikn hos-
tilities to destroy the liberties of Ferrier. sisal now
to complete the work attempted in the fifth year of
peace, and byleratis of false information to extin-
guish the liberties of England. Walfituo object to

the Noble Lord to keep Ireland riairt ?
no rnaunfactures there, her tuanducture, i
been taken away—but let him not urge i
on ,to madness and desperation. Ile a.ii
aware that Scotch Gentlemen might say we li,.
allowed this measure to extend to the Nor,'
of Scotland, where diasiteetion does Hot exist,
then should you not
.permit it to he applied to
land ? and Gentlemen from Willa and the tin.
disturbed districts of Eogtand might,ure the same
argument. The !inner was, that there was a tra-
ttoria and local connexion, arid a similarity of ii,_
tercet between ill the divisions of this Wand.
which might reinter it a matter of prudence to.
legialate iii the way for them all.
no such connexion existed with Ireland t ,; eu Lett
likely that disturbatices in the maiiiifictioriiig der
tracts of England would create the same in Ireland.'
He hoped the Noble Lord would state what epolde
those Irish Members who should vote with hitt•
could give to their cnisstituruia On their wino
home. It was remarkable that the frill,as at firer
presented to the Goitre, coutsitted no mention
Ireland. but that the name of Ikea portion of thn
Empire was afterwards added in the Cutomittre
He felt how unequal lie was to dilvneate.the Cans.
of Ireland, but he solemnly declared, that vete h,
a Grand Juror on his oath, be should not feel hi,n.
self justified in saying, that that island shoo'd
be placed under the operation of the law: „„i
he was at a loss to know how the Noble Lord
could reconcile hinisell to his determination to
do so; what more could lie do, if there was a
declaration made in the House that that comity:-
will in the same state of dt-turhance and dandier-
lion ais this ? The Hun. Gmitleman then. she-
qPutettiionimi +rquioru►s, arid,
a taht:lt
lie
ldcawionut o! agt :lihnos
that in the event or the Bill passing, he should
move that Ireland be exempted from its operation.
(Hear.)
Some confusion here occurred, in consequence of
two or three Members rising at the same time.
The SIMACER called on

- - -
Mr. L. Foutga. oho argued that the operation of
the forswore would aearrely be felt in Ireland, r. ail
meetings there were carried on in hooves, lie Intro?,
never heard of one ill the open air. hut nee rime
years before; and the House had already deter.
mine d that the operatiou of the Act should not be

Air. PLuxxitre hoped. that the Horne wolf I
favour Iron with • few words on the present arc,
con. He had already expressed his amitiments
plainly on this subject, on a preceding night, dm
it was unnecessary he should then enter at
length into the sreneral que.tion ; but be had her
so directly and personally appealed to by t!
Honourable Member, that he could nut babe:,
trespassing on their attention for a very few mitinirs.
--( Hear.)—He did not know that it was usual
call on a Member so pointedly to deliver his *calo-
mel:to, and he believed he might. consistently a
the usages of the House. reject the mall—(Hear)—
but he confessed that he was so much of an Irish
Member, or of an Irish tarn—(Heor, and • laugh)_
that he would not decline meeting the challenge
thrown out by his Hun. Friend. It was l!ia CatiV
fion that the Finn. 'Member's observation, that
hoped his (Mr. Plunkett's) public character woum
not suffer in the eyes of the coutory. inconsequence
of the part he bad taken with regard to the present
measures, was totally onueeessary and uncelleil
for, and that his character was likely to rtut4oiti
any attack which might he made upon it by the
Hon. Member.--r Hear, Atar.)—The Hon. Mem-
ber had his line of political opinion—lie (Mr.
Plunkett) had his: he believed the Honourable.
Member's conduct was generally consistent with his
opinions, and lie hoped that his would he tumid per-
fectly consistent with his own.—(ilear.)—He hm4
on many occasions differed from tote Hon. Nlsisiber.
and he never once had occasion to regret it.—(Hear.
hear.)—The House had often braid it thrown ill
the teeth of certain Gentlemen. that they laid a
claim to creinsire loyally; mow he should take
leave to soy that the clams of crebtsire parrirtit!a,
was quite as arrogant.—(Dear, hear ) —The flow.
Gentleman had talked touch of the rights snit
prirulege% of the people being taken away Ise
these measures; he wished tee had corniest:ender/ to h-
a little More particular, 111111 to 41e-collie what t•glo••
and liberties they were, which wool(' be so •akert
away. Fle understood civil liberty to he " petestnt
faciendi quirquid per loges lieei"—(Hear,)—and
politica! liberty to be the security which the people
enjoyed for the possession of civil liberty. Bat
from the doctrines which lie heard now avowed.
liberty might be defined the power of intruding on
and twelesting the enjoyment of those right. gtveq
to individuals by the laws.—(Cheers.)The liberty
now contended for was a harpy, an obscene bird,
which strove to pollute and poison all the ciu uy-
merits of private life. to tear away all the wub.r Is
provided to guarantee public tranquillity. and every
restraint which protected religion and inurolity.—
haiciv
He
uhl agrilnhgeisir, de
such
cdhecdelitim:l asitutoautioline—al
hiot du
;Iflotr
could answer to his own cutisciemce no toe present

times—(Hear)—for who could ray but that even
the lightest species of it might, as things were now
circumstanced, be the cause of blood-sdirilding ;
but he repeated it, he had heard a great deal saint
clout the dangerous &Digo. of Nlinister• on the
Coinaitution, and of their intention of governing
by military force. The hest proof which could be
atforded'lobim of the übseiace of any such designs
or intentions, was their application to Parliament
for these salutary laws.—(hear. hear, bear.)-11e
begged pardon. he perceived he hail been lett fin-
thee into the general tiorsiion then he had intr.r:-
ed.—(Cries of Hear, bear.)—But be did not con-
sider these measures at sac will, ally one
Of the Cciristitutiou, and his rel4lloll for tionkinz
so was not founded nom any temporary vie"
circumstinices. nor upon the papers tyno t
table, nor upon the alarming a!,itealeuta rritrrstr.l
in the House ; but he should state hone,tly why n.•
had come to that conclualou—it was because i,e
thought that public opium,' iu England 11,-
dergoite a more essential change within for ,-t.
twenty or thirty years than' during any
equal duratiou since the Conquest. A (credo'',
inquiry cud discrsaion upon the sweet import'"'
subjecte had been excited to a rimier extent lima
ever had eitioted before ; ass insanity 01.4rght had
been thrown, by means of the,prira, err enel aMa
ter which could concern the midi rid ildlirrialhol'.
at every thing or circumstance- taireis amid allorcl

in the mos; remote degree, ;Midi(' iv:pp.:rest or every emergeney which tor a molten; t^elifie.l the peep le.
'thefts'. Did he complain of that ? No ; he thought i Ministers ain't see this one visible. and i nee itolde ron-e•
! quenee admit. present measurer, that it woodel creme a stole
a free, so enlightened, and • moral pretax, one of 1 of things in which it would be impossible to venom to ton-
the greatest of lienefita, and the most effectual pre. atitat. I habits ,( government, and the free e%ereist of
servative of Ito! sic liberty.—(Hene.)—Hut he ob. il the cum, .i.,
t. Pow, the liberties of which coal." ise err survive
aerved !press different from that. a sedition. and 1 9° Oleg, restraints th the press,
I, ;paining of grievances. surf the right of emu-
bidaplwinons prem. industriously employed for:the
' Mr. Kontrisos snob that if he could persuade him.
purpose of connoting and debasing the lower or- 1 self that sudden and miaccouotable circumstances had pere•
dent-eon utsiler-iortgx which was drifting the Ma's I duced a sudden surf nintecorintable thallitinn of feeling, he
of the people into the ocean of immOrality and iii. l should not consider the present
mature requisite. He
fidelity. But rhtl he mean to say 'that the lower 1, °SS SS leniettile diePered SS an!
dames had no right to inquire and inform them. ! !surlier feelings nun even to populor prejudices ; Doi be
cloth! not feel asitbe. Noble Lord who had just spoken topon
selves on lol'hcel subjects ? Ceti-411'1Y not. But . them, parlienlarly when he alluded to a oohed of internal
lie said that timer doctrines
,of politice. which were i tumult, which he (Mr. Robissoai wall remembered was au
ehlcolitteel to work a eh9ll4e iii the frame of the : far from belies provoked by distress, as was now averred,that
r. onsidution, and to which their iii:luiries ha,' . ot sli period of our history had our commerce been more
&trete(' were tint those ii flourishing, or oar Aflame' in le Inure glorious state. The
'ia"rrly beell
very
generally . spirit which this was observable; hail never since been ex•
*won which they were qualified to form a judgment, . siacuiiiied; bewever it might hare been reprease.l for a
because the defect* to our polity complained Of , time by the energies of Parliament. it had kept, nod was
were open to every intellect ; but the nsuriiims re- ! even vow Plemmons. What was list spirit ? Ile would
turn they derived from it was not an east' of cont. ii .fimind his answer exclusively tin the avowals of the parties-
prehension to every capacity.—(acs loan i 11"."1"1"I' "r" there ever a more audacious attempt
-. 1 ogoinst the authority of any Government, than the object
could eomirelleud the restraints put upon his no. i 'which had been attempted at the Uirminglisna meeting? The
torsi liberty. ilte burden of pitying taxes, nod the 1 .abject haul been treated lightly by Gentlemen opposite, but
other sacri required front those who would live i _would renting' them that in all revolutimp there had
•tale Jar
society. But the excellence of
in !state the i hmie siourething Inelierosia ur risible mingled with rte hue-
in
under which they Herat, the harmony i el" s(
bePua the l'e . 1; the danger therifore was not trammel.
. accompanied by tilt,. H. let Moor meeting had
*rising rein the well-adjusted apposition of itit
, i tarlalead a similar resolution,
different powers, the value of the laws equitllY sod ' Partitrairlit. Before now, ilia seditious had bees reserved;
impartially protecting every individual, from the ! now they were open nod audacious in the pursuit of
`tthedir
highest to the lowest, in the free enjoyment of life. 1, PorPnomu The second resolution of that meetinghei r-
liberty, sod property, and his various civil rights; i eiellwellg boot: :0°
give effect
.10 amurtal'ic an wee" rm
cheet to their Petition for the rest('.
MINI lastly, tile aecurity derived to the well-corn. 1
,_,.
foretold whole by the voice of public opinion; there lor the coustitutism !At Manchester they were
were questions upon which it was • law of nattier, I to adopt • similar resolution, and were 'revealed by one
that those who earned their suleristetice Ity daily whi, r...frained them, nut from a sense of impeopriety, but,
tli
an: b•• loW
olmbeanait, m,
acvetre thee were in danger by persisting
labour could not form • clear or r'atiosial judgment, claim their right. This alone consti-
(CAtees.)—lt had been said, that " a little learning .
laud Mt image of elatiger not before known to the cane.
was a dangerous thing," and this law was true ill , try. Anti he would ask, Aid it contain no danger to ii.;
literature, of religion, and of politic. A little keening mile ! betty itself? The Nettle Lord hail expressed his fears that
made a belittling critic. When a max of 'iteration applied . 'be people might he led to consider such tarasum as those
himself to the consideration of reliekm, the invesiliatime of before diem as matters of course. But was not every body
the roars of its divinity, and of the artrawients said against . declaring that the tninultwary meeting* could do nothing
it, every seep be took added confirmation to Ills belief, and 1 hat toothier! Do; they lint require the habitual interrer.
threw light on his ideas; bid if a ploachman were taken i core of the military and the countable? And could any
from his daily toil, and put to the same Inctibrations, het i thing be-mere dsngernsis to threes them accustoming people
was likely it. lwrome a very shallow infidrl.--(ffrar, brae. 1 safeel thabilagighis were dance iiiii s in themselves ? lie would
hear.)—lle sail the same of the laws and the constitutions ant deny threortelit of mergings any enure than the Gentle-
r( disqii 'totems on the nature of constituti iiii • and covern• I men opposite, lel4rirl so ably inaiatained it ; bill what sight
ments the foionlation of authority, and the reriprewril
.1 was possessed by individual or class in society WillSh was
eights and duties of prince* and subjects, were constantly
.1 out subjected to orpogirreeols cut ii jii int with the sr.:only
.rill to the shop of a mechanic, in those intervals from Is. ,I of society? 110 W weld any one assume then that there
Lour which plight to be employed in the exercise of moral ! could lie any tli itematilutiunal in a meeting proposing to
duties with his family, such a man would be rendered not a itself tireroests •ot it% ratan
s? lie regretted
ut the necessity
statertossa.—(bear;-wbal a turbulent and troublesome citi- .- of the premise but he could sh his e
sew. Now ever Moot the French Revolution there was as 1 the surremidiogdogree, nor look with calmness at the pro.
attempt In draw this class of people isle opposition to the I priestion of the 1•1011 pet
weed
and treaaonable doctrine*.
laws. But it was said Parliament was exacting oPPreeoiew i The Noble Lord bail patrol the papillae* meetings to
and 'weer"' laws, sod that they was giving op the good aallse. goitres, which e ii the discontents of the populace
1
old time*, hid he should be glad to learn what were the goo • ' irit that escaped was a pretiiential
old time, referred to. If he could believe each doctrines, he d tot
sgelefd, with coothnion and death. Conipressioes sided
must molten, all kehadeser leashed. If be knelt any thing of • *tame r, but witboot compression they must all fall
the past history of this country, newly OM the present reign 1 vleiima pa , dent exhalations. If Parliameist should
bait ,welt large popular meetiugs bees bald in the open mr, i batetrases awl {be wise measures proposed to them, he
sad if there es. sin la. before to reveal their being held. I Leg or.. • 0
,•
it was bete erste them was nethiag to which It could apply.-- ' fain, pejor awn., tulit
ma•llle.he minsitlitred Its whatesowee *tit of legislation to 1, Nos, weq ; mox datums
artily We remedies to slew oristidefs, always adhering to , Progrinewi iusiswent."
she priggish-a of the Csaistitatioa. If this Bill were exit- I Mr. W. SPAM felt eh* the were very strong arguments
Jenard %plan role, would it be farad to interfere with any .1 against the Bill. I~ltt stated the few sentences,
bow-
right ? 1110 thoosid mot. The free expression of public ever, which he hod iss is support of that opn. be
leshipiflip be co
opiitioe, are copy in mu another, but to the Government. i would acknowls nsidered the sling to be taken
I
was a principle of the Constitution. Did the measure , out of it by eachmlibp•llialetings held within hours from
iofriage no that principle? He appealed to every ion it9 revisions. sp,tpia limitation of its effectide tor
Ave
who heard him, and be wished his voice could be bearel I room he woo , Night load people to cons the
sou of doors, whether its influence nit this right, so far i muisures too mu oisisstereof course. He always read
from being injurious, was not rewedial?—(firer, liefie.)— I the isameginal . not; Nis with suspicion. In the
He asked if :.t those noisy. tamultoom, uproarious, screech. 1 clause voldala tamtiuge is rooms, he imagined, as
in; meetings, was any question ever calmly and fairly discuss- I the words n all politic. building., rooms," Ace that
eel ur &railed co, or could it he ?—( Hear j-- If an occasion ' balls werre,of ,fairly hortuded.—(Hose, bp Lmrl ['gaffe-
requiriwg that the sentiments of the public should he "seer- I yea/00.-71mm bow had • osprgisal sate crept io opposite the
tamed anew, he asked whether the united voice of oat I claw, intimating that" private rooms are excepted?" lie
hundred separate meetings, of out hundred persona each, ! hoped no advantage would be taken of this explanation. He
tarried an at the same tier In MOO", where there was 00 ' objected however to the Bills, because they were unauthorised
obetructian In free and deliberate diseossion, or that of one ° sod orompported by centrum. There was no inquiry al.
in the open air, consisting of 10,000 individuals, and where II lowed into the eivasteastasees they were called
was to judge, It
every thitie would be conducted and carried with noise and i was said themiumapeasa fade case. He reluctantly
violence, mond he more influential and powerful ?...(eketre.) I obliged lipt/011ef to a himossitly agitated lattice. The Man.
—He eoliteaded, that in these Bills might be discerned an ap- ; cheater llPP*Onir bpi brie dispersed under the must extensor.
plication of the old maxim of legislation. He gore ! dinar/ altermaiseers ever karma since the riots of 1780.
the chanter, to the Honourable Member (Mr. Hutch- i ..1 here was a prima facie case that four hundred people
bison) on this poiat. He said it was a principle of the , hail been killed and wounded. This ought to be dia.
Constitation. that the opinion of the people should be freely ; proved. if false. and Get that purpose, he, for one, bind-
expressed,but it was sot one, that their physical force should ly dernauded inquiry. He was nut disposed to asp
he let Inure.—'Cietrs..)--Now he affirmed that the bolding 1 bow far the Magtstratee were cutpable without inquiring.
of these nierihigs was an expression of physical force, nut But they had (an matter bow the fact should be drum)))
an e‘pression of public opinion.—(ebeere.)--This question j receive., front Ministers a compkte indemnity. The Bill
was not one or lucid law. Air Hos. Baronet (Sir F. Burdett) ham.. the House would ammo to all otiwr Magistrates the
haul sail, that no this question be placed little weight on the n name indemnity, whatever, wader like circumstances, they
opinions ef Gentlemen of theloug robe. But he asked that I might commit. A great deal had been said of the unpaid
Hush Baronet if the very Rest step to society was not to pee- magistracy or the counties; he "pewter,' it au illiberal
weetthese original elements of force sod violence from being and unjust way of spookily ow the subject. They were
let tome use low ? For the mistime of law was, that by it the not in reality sapsid. They were not rewarded by di.
physical farce was chained up. and made • mural force. wet pecuniary advantages, bat they had that which was
Them were times in all countries when the physical power moo, better to them, astbsrity and influence. He was
of the population was let louse, hat that was reenkilimi" remioded of su anecdotes aw oil French Chevalier tie St.
and to 'reek of a state of things where the physical force Looks saw an Woe coals. oat of the theatre, 10 whom the
might be cm-431111y drawn out and arrayed against thee (:o- crowd were apaidoo„il howirw. s. Who is this," said he,
imminent, was a solecism: it was not a regular orderly .. souk", do pee* my as much ',image, while they take
government, but an approach to a state of seater, and of war. no wince of )se. olio hove fought fur them, nod I pass by
With respect tu Ireland, be was sorry that his Hon. Friend without airy reward or attention ?" "Do you reckon for
had connected the present question with that of the restos- mislay," said the actor, 4. your ability to treat me thus?"
atm' of *brie rights to his Catholic fellow.conotrymen. He Thin he considered strictly appllcable to the oapaid Magi.
believed him to be n most sincere and ardent friend to their start s•—they would prefer their interest infalaro to preamt
cause, hist hr said that their worst enemy MOW nee do their I advantage.
"me more injury than by stick a course. His opinion was, , Mr. L. Wet.m---
.. .

that the hiw wnald 6stil very little room for operown is
'lreland. Means', there, meetings were generally held in
rooms; lint tw thiniKlit no well 01 that portion at his COUR.
',lawn es I. believe that they would cheerfully submit in
aaSjeet'• " • limn,

the law, reel% though it did . them to a little privet
The Right Hon. Gentterriers caueloried by esteeming a hope
that the Flocs, uusilil sous extend the privilege* of the coo-
stitotoin 10 the Catholics, 111141 by apologizing for Wising
lakes, up NI much of the time of the House.—(Long-contion-
ed clawing)
Lord Mit:Tog asked, did his Right Honourable Friend
mean to sit.p the diffusion of that intense light of which
be hail spLitea aistmeg the lower orders?—(Cries of
" No.")—lie contended, that his words meant that or
Nothing. Might . Doi the mme argumeat have been
used to stop the progress of the early reforniere! Colou-
r es ailvauceil es thin, had been fumed ham rowisath
▪ make it rurreorler of their liberties into the hotels of their
frovarnisent. lie thought it eatraurdimiry, that Parliament
should lava asamoblad three weeks witlioot any
aersettun bring made to it sif the iecrearte or Hoe stand.
leg army, and Haat it was rmessiumilile whether such h.-
:reale, in 11111/ of peace, ass according to the law and
great dowers were, in his opisioa, to ha
appr•
ehratie,4 kww saupressiog papillae meetings —l, Bear.)
Rh. Right Hoe. and learned !demi agreed that the people
hail a rigid to merlin.' iminsourricase with each other, but
thought it %Maid be better dome by parishes that, by town or
eumity meet noes, Would his Right Hou. Friend Waled that
there ow au atealiajilmesit of right, or that the right was
litibly to item thitarise benelleial rrawits. whether the people
met to parishes, or likelier there were a erismosiusi te their
fathoms sail 01061011411 ts all neer the county ? For his pert,
tie awl GNAT eillirete4 to the Illemmore for themselves, fur the
mriaciphes inspitlisVeod the desiereseumpriard in them, het
he really driveled hat they she, hi Ilse amendoseute am*
to Orri4tie rendered palatable the mks
eel die coaster, 81141 bteerse objects 'of ^wee trod genteel
irapartatitio. tie feared. that the limitation of the Heise*
moold have Ohs effect of readeriag them more popular. 11
mos asdoetitairtely the Ifaulency of the crumb", sot only'
peodoce arbitrary power, but to yield ittrail Popped tat

_ rupportet.
Wif..4tbils, though alive to the why.
Ministrrs, and he could allow the exitienee of the evil cow.
Seised of, Nit that the Bill. weal far beyond the par shay
were intended to remedy. The complaint had beep airily
" —ilitery parade and burners, and itinerant ore.

ted the Bill.
'hole statement of

urged against mil _
tory. if the Bilk had bees applied to those evils, they
Pbutill have had his atippott. But what reason did thine
foolish allures give fur restraining the right of merlins,
when one or two clauses of the Hill prollibittug flip and mi.
lilary eircuntstante would have met the whole case ? The
eonatry we* to be Milt el from comfy meeting. In those of
perishes. He knew one parish, where there were only two
preens qualified, according to the Bill, to meet and
discuss public grievances, they were a landlord and his
leased? What were these people to du? He was not
one of those who declared that the Sheriffs were under
the isfluence of the crown, but he might safely say that
they were under the influence of passions slid prejudices.
Meetings mete fur charitable purposes bad been declared
against, in cases most unequivocally hesseficieut, by indivi-
duals, and every obstruction put in the way of Ilicrit• What
lees coedit be expected from Sheriffs or Magistrates gmetally,
when consulted as to meetings for political objects? He
was willing to allow proper remedies for the two iniechiefs of
nightly training and hearing or flogs. If people could not
gu to the discussion of questions which ilitturested them with.
oat such 114110.1004 preparations, k womb% most coroli.tly
agree to their suppression. The me. dings were too numerous.
Mow could one man address 40,0011 with any gond effect?
Me would pat in another sumer to the challeuge which had
Mlles bees given to his How Friends, and state what sort of
seessores be thought it would be best to adopt. The Howse
moth' bb ohm some sympathy fur the people's sufferings;
Alley might to for dire into the cause of the public distrem.
As 10 the argument of there being danger in sliming any
Jirpoaltiun to conciliate, hr wished them to Consider to
whet au 'steal it might he forced, even to the di ing of
the Prince and the people from that amicable and constitu-
tional union which was equally neeresmy for hulk to üb.
serve. He WOolltendeavonr next to get at. the truflom of
diametral, by imprirsog into the distresses of the.iostat IT. He
wee eunvtuctd that as hop ity, by a Coattaiitesuf the Howse'

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• • ,
of Cottnana.ncsoll:3 repove a r: f' r.l. 'Lose d ...rope, poet sot le e•o:!:ore-; m al:oiteet these who re• cid a i•it ; o Ita:11 !Too our oole af sm..", Let 1%. reel H.,,, .er.1,1.. Co n•le.
He Ilieught the mermen( the collate, quite sooffic.eitt fur the them tweet lesich at die Roil, awl evade the pros istontrof . man Nook opt—let haw sie w item he (11v. Huschoo...u)
empleyment of it. populati.on, %about oteertiole its eco.ple it; hot it effectually prceritted merlins of a renstitistiortal wit 'wnotex-let him she.. *bat Jo-elm:4 has door to
Rut tip eapital to distant roolostire. Next he ti leo :rt.,. newt independent
.Icitid. His objection to the Rill 1411•0 Ike PRICit her conatioitiou—any S;411. ol'amid hr : rootoished.
a ometerate Reform, rich all 111,1•11111 give dr,CI to 311 thc 1 100/11•er wheat ha recollected the tonne from whetter it came and degraded at • moment e hen Hie received the prows
mild and Moon' principles or the CORRIiIIIOI4I.I. tied Oleo I —.hen .he recollected that it proweedrel feat a Celdnio, of !LI :mmHg ilio•niselves. Tie if.edit 11.wourelite Groh.
the popular •,,Ire its fair isitlivoire in the measorws of (k,. I when. It was • metier of thorn...ion whether a creisweelsip mare Ira.' mid, that he hail d-fl..red with hiss bef.,ie, ~vd
e.ersomesti. If the 1100 owoht calmly and dem ~ornate ly I rho Rid slot he notahlooolved--1 /here, bear .-siiil tail it Si. Oka! he did wit fejtHe did not h'...
to
o 1.31 It.. sl.
inquire mho that stiloject, it would Coln the leseolt a 1.01,40 A.V.lrlipwl.itil 1.31 other Ito. which, *lilt 1.6 atTett the dome.* holed He hail Weer sat with the Welty INootit Ode
ahu seek the dedruct sir the Coro-owl in. He wood rights of the Coostitnrien. Gentlesenn in any l'os:is fount trel•oc lb:- present. Dot!,
venison,. MitliWere reel' now to step the emote- of the RON. Mr. eleven's said, that he coo.tolereol that suer would be this shin pr in
It sat h:s pride le have aliffeoil who. sli
They might aolopi tole few dames se fluor, by floe Ho!. more ; real danger too she ...sod stesion of Loselanol •sool Ireland if Itichl How Gentleman ow peiecipbo whites he hoisal wool I
immediately pressing ow diem; his they 01,C111 Ist, to roil. ' thr 11111. oaf,
the Iloilo. were not pawed. Ile was 'Pilaf be te......1e011, sel,which should eerier he 1,0.1 fli'll oof .he
gine evils. nor ou evicreinteil n
ail'' Or &Lae diets Jr- to sutiyawi the Bills at tbe riatt of any oioopepularly that hail differed with bins at to the ro or lie hail su :see oft this..
stroy the liheeties of the people /111"4,:r1Iler. ; might Attend it. Weil knowing, hoer-Hi. that Mt %surto,. fon medshle measure.; les tool difir.red with liie Rieht
L.irel IN . 'Or. sweat's( !:.e o,llllt time. instotiloly : tarty w 00.01.1 attend it—(.4 inveh!—he was ready to meet ilemostrable Geniis-ow whet, hot lent to Mioistera the
to the gallery, an at last heard to declare loi. oe Imbed ii. aosy mopopulerity in doing ohm which he felt woi fur Ow high authority of hi* oo .me in 110111111.0 sof rucesoorre
vent Io the measures in regrew. They were remodel' ten. ! steel of she .cometitotion, lust be felt that .eerat popotheedy , which were calculated In etteOlon a otoopolism—(lfece,
dered necettary by she time:tom> ineetisoca of the worth, o rook' attend him iu Irtlaml Wt advocating ihme re. aaaaa es. . heat, meßx.re• which we,e 111" .1,1,1 :119,10i11e 111..1 /11,44
which his Lorddisp rtiorarterozrol w ith the 11,01.11 terms of cen. I —( -I In vgh.' introllueoll lot. that 1111114., .our !lir ito i .01 ,t...,, ; .r.: 1, -,• It
&imitation , thsy eerie not byre-roes, however. They hid ! The Sohtet7ot.Ggersiot, mid. that some or the rrorosi- Owl' measure' be Inc.; los fee hi. s wee. tr t 10.- o•et • t
me his ride, it Was his rimy, to bar ,• dill col a c's the
declared their intention, in our sastotoce, of recooverive r' the i limo of she HIM. mod Learned Member (Mr. Denman) erre , p
conottedio.e, the whole constitution, mid hods:nit hot the ; Of • very extraordinary nature. On what
colons hail Ist Right Hots. Gesitlenian. 'flume ineasorss wen. In lie ...,..
cosurtitution." The they bail defined to be yous4-431eutfroge, ; amerted that his Majeney'r GoVernment had d all,l 11•111114.1 to Ireland, and the Kiehl Hon Gnat. aeproved of it.
simnel partianteots, and cute by halhot. It SIAS 'teetered ! discussed the policy of :establishing a camoorship over the Thin invasion was to be mole on the Woo:ea ed haw.%
at the game meeting, ilvt the people veould be quite i press' Such 311 arertion notch' neot to he lightly Made. It rt a traormot when her lotto/oil:1ov woe orknoowiedged, she
unredeemed wittiest, three ; but that they lowlier' In wa.
a serums. smpruine, and should Mee hero well eon.,_ ,hi r looyelty applauded. He mkt., the or
Hun, Grath-mats
themselves for that redress, and that they had ample meas 44 : dewed before it was made. As to the power of "%version, was Ibis what Ireland deserved—was this a &root attempt—
of torquiring it. The Howie had hero lob, by an Hon. ;he would still atria that the powers given be the Bel were wood.' the Minister. Peen 01 the onset ,bays of the Irish Par-
Bonnet: not Oleo in kis pace, that dime priaciples had ! preened, sof the iti.me name* as given by the Rint Att. loom ot. have dared to introduce such in-asorrs it the m.•-
before hots moot rispru table aoliocatoa, atuatoc "shore lw • The language of the 801 l was that the Magi:wow shou'al, 111 . Meollllll he Rek11111141•411Ted Ilie Irultritltily or lite country.
enumerated Seldom. His torrid:tip w00...1 not !:riy then it tit, OM. Orley, i.e atithorioost to disperse the oweiteg where :He did IWIt see why the Right Hue. :lushes show: I 11.1... y
was not to; list if it were, %Aden, an Member of a Perlia. he found to to lime illegal averting, snot he vies .mly imleat. so much warmth—it was not for bins to low ie framer
orient that hail encroached more then any Miser upon ilw - Mini foe the ronanpiesices which might follow to elute ter fr" be was In he one of the great belie,. of the hosern (1111,0,e
rights of the people, and 'robot,' irefetittor In tloan, het : resistance made to his Ruttier's.. A chute to slur ovate ef. days —(flear )—There WA* moiled question last Sessien
prolonged the elneattue of its
he lie nuts, hare greatly i feet was inserted hi Mr. Pitt's 8011, in 1708, and to a mther- in e hWh he differed with the Itigh: tints. Men:bet—it was a
roustraineol Isis feeugs. The Duke of !tit homed had Leann Act in 1801. and in the Oct of Isl. Tbe Hem. ,and waitron respectiog an Irish Mereboa, on *Well lIIR hills
beets mem looneel on slurl I.eIII:* OCe•IIII**1; but were there why Learned Meador sl Id itMe considered of those Acts he. Hon. Member had made •of 1:111 %41n' speeches he loa-1
parellel• betimes' such cases and dune f the roltod? ' fore he went to that Home to arraign these messuree, and ever broil, and gave 011 e of the a oist coos he had ever
Was Slicer sou cliff
betweim aohesitbing measurer to the : to Aimee hi. Meojesty's Ministers yob au attempt to over. kiln.
laugh.)
Lexislatitre, and the downright violrece ailti wloch dery tare the neststituttoss. : Mr. Phettrerr said be could actors the Hoe. and Gellert
. . .
proposed to rang their point ? kir was reminded of a hole l, Mr. Deratee 'whined. -. : • - , Gentleman that he felt no warmth whatever. The Hon.
passage in Bathe, ill his address tu the elector. of Broiled, ! Lord Fotattleoelt esiol he wasoeffillgliebitediffsef *debate rood Gallant Member teemed to quartet with his silyse, as.
when he said that Itherty we/ a 1110titlguisltiltZ Matt or the . degeriersted: into oltersvalloats ios redestfar chisie•• ni Ow 11111014 though they were CRllerl fin Oh by the appeal sit the
coustitution. Too prowrie dam liberty is the peculiar deity Bill, seeimg that she Noble Lori who latredsiceil the null kiii Hoiss.or and Gallant Measlier ; hr lied tied forc..l
of every Member of Parliament. Hr ;low oral on to besought in classier. totally different Puna theme which weir . bon iolo the debate, sod he tool afli rar& ciatitod Lou
state what that liberty was. "It only exioned with order ' tediefoothy intended. He would, however, speak en the - for the oberreations he had made. The Homonsahle mid
and virtue, and could not Hatt washout io. m." This woo I ple of the memoir, . A Right Honourable Mealier, i Gallant Gtntlemata
railedquarr with tom, because hi- al
not doe order of die Melodic:oho intriin, 5111 she •IfIrl• : .tairlirertiilent of the Board of Trade, seemed to honk on ; mood. were basther so, he coold seotoo him
of the demagogues, tow the IIIII(1004 ealoalatiom a the ! IM 0411 as as infraction of the contaitution. He said, 1 111,:t it was not lois intentiou in have 111•••••1 had roo-
gn-
blattollentootts press. After mew who r reaserk. MI Ins °p. ; Its rapported it with grist pain. There were two Hesse' o' Newt& As to the memoie, it was 11l prer•nt a Hoon
Amity the HWllfie would hive for emocilintioe, fos Iwo, ring ! of parsons who supported the Bill. Ooe class support. , of violence and intimidation. He 'risked to mere', Ilea fo.n,
the commerce and helm,
of the colon*, y, for eelaieing its !ed It with great pain.--sosother class pp„ it weh eetendiwe to his reentry. It was a .sydens which spoo set
o-
r. *mono, cud autos...wing its road,. am, headiest., after : pleasure, became they looked un it, Or they told they looked like, circles on the emit r, and if that system tit intwooo-
- sass measurer had secured the otece-sary state or quirt,. !on ilo as a great imprioretueut of the cowstitutiou. It was te.o was allowed to proceed ourestroiood for a few 14:I*
cow.. for such noble, aphelia, his, 1 Ari...,lti II It 1/1/.111. i eel tel be foments. that the causes of diseontesit were of .to come, as it hail been a few yeses toot, it alts improsob!e
The gallery was then oriteri-,I to he tit ai.d, for what rex. •so merit dale—they existed, in fact, sitter the Frroc• to my to what country it would extend,oor win re it tr,•01.1. •••1,
son WC Cllllllll not kers. Prue aohnith.l again.
tare found Rovidutioti; bet it was pretty clear that Ministers ict dm ' The measure WllOlO out Itir. a his rountry tit would lit to.
Ire-
the Speaker explainoic, fiat were to...vented Ly the mese of spir it of dh.enntrad spread to a great extent, and 0„., ! terfere with public meeting', as they had been held in Ire.
the people rushing to thew seem foots learn.: die repots ; some dowel with there fornaidable Bills. Ho situ that lane! for years before. He gave his vole from the hest moo.
of Ito olnervetioons. li he was ationsished at the doci, meg •of a Hight !loom, „bie • tiers, and he was net elope, lo•osive of the cootioapieners; lie
and Learned H. utleman (Mr. Plunkett), who sewtstel to ; "Its WWI the niso who could he suppused to invade the Ith r.
Mr. SCASILETT then rose, and very ettopwatly and argot.
mentattreiy eantonh:d
~,,in‘t the Hdr. He
‘,as
nd ad... say that those memotres were necessary for the pr. save., lies of his "nate!.
Cute for countless III• 111111,1% at a sneessag called ow I helots ;' i' of the adisiiialiea• lie was 6.4"iiiiih'd to here
E Mr. RICKARD MARTIN Cnateniled for the necessity, of in.
Plain aa a enOrrnient 1 she sh finit of liberty which that Riots( Hotoomahle ; (Isidore Ireland in the operation of this Bill, for the pit,
ensuring the stability of loops
he ',tumid never thisok of Salisbury
place ,0 (1,,,,, public ri,,,,,,,.. 11,,, he ass 'WI bi,,g sit 'be ; Gentleman had givo.st; it was a confined anot strive deO. .Pose of route effeelaalle
. coonntriee. He was them proceeding to comment new, do..
anion oohed. That Right Honourable Geowleamin cons.
Bill to meetly such .vile, wile+ would 00000 egoist ly effect any ;
enan:). ;netting. H,...stro)artum‘hediahrarim, mod mat. plained that a 111-1 Y light had broken its live the people, votes giveo by the family of An 11011. Member 11101,..}i1e "I
; which ought, it seems, tr, be emmirmsb. ,i, He had , faoeur of the Us l i .... , when Ise was called to order, and aa-
Friend (Mr. Pluokett) assn t, that et) far from hang eueruark.
meats, the Bina were in HR. spirit am; essence of ;be emedt. !, freiviently inHeitained different doctrines tin the discus. ; prised by the Speaker diet such • reference hail no rico...awn
with the clause then under oliscusaien.
lotion. Ile was prepared to allow that they were owl cuss. 11 euiroallsofheihrpeoepalleitileheittilitti'e hi:bill:1E0h;
illiiaLinititioknell'hie; mr.
Meerut apologized, and oepeated his former aria.
stitutional, slot fitted for the object,. they pears:wit to re.
sow Saws and Moss in the Contstiostuno, the rpoestiuti He • °Wilt' _
med.., and tout called fur le, eat. state tel the c by. He
atwitter it was best to suppress the politic opinion,. e Mr. 't teenae was quite at a loss to know why 10r!...ei
(hared the isnpurtaisce of th :ilium. the degree's oof which, in wags
to remove those dews and blots which the ltieht lion. Geis. should be now included in this Eat. That counts y u ~.
that Huu.e, did toot at :oil a 1 err with the neighbourhoods to '
semen del mot .1... y. The object of the Hill was to tahe especially excepted both in 1812 and in 1817, period. oho,
which thee roopecievely beloweed. These who cause from 1
tlw North, were not half so much alarmeol as Haste who i away Crum the subject the right of doing that whoa, - sere systematic attempts' subsisted than were ono mood
was Iby the law and the constitution of his country hr load of, as directed against the coassontiton. The Spirticesea
tame from the West, while the greatest alarm of all,
• right to do. 'this. Bill Was accompeuied by other measures were la 1817 in full Ghee, and nothing was now heard a
felt minuet the insilemee (roll' Ike Sistre Cenitstry.
(Load diens from the Opposition )—The Greeds of the i wail formidable h'iluidatiie aii4 ancuaaiiialiaa‘l. The Bill hie the that clam. Sorely if vit no forma. occasion Ireton,: lasi ie.
Noble L. (Coml. reach) seemed to have come over I Seizure of AM*, rambled any 'edict of the Peace tit any •..1 . chided, it would i.e most impolitic to adopt n different comae
in the
almost trephhthm. and thant,h perkeity: aati.fied . the oneditiolLo.lity counties in Ragland, exclusive of tlie ' towards her now, and without any cesium upon castle.—
disturbed districts, by his warmest, to authorise Isis coos- : (Hear, bear.)
with the state of theirtiou,
ciao cosoniev, were sufficiently anxi. I
o stables to break into. any man's house by day or by night ; ! lord CAVILV.RgACIII did not mean to deny the exiatence
nits to trampeillize Ibis--(Rarer[ from the Oppositiox.)—
The Learsted Gestates.° etrosiely objected to subjecting 1 ouch might be 'lune` fur issiamee' if ih4i Bill l'!"%'' 's of a tystematic danger to the conotry in 1817, our ilid he
in the county of Oxford. The Ministers affected to meas to revoke hia "mi.*" of the general lea"esi'll''Y 'I.
meetings sit the tarsier of Sheriffs or Magistrate*. A single i
and I elegy that they wished to establish a Ce11110IS:1111 over Ireland; lint when rich projects against the itistiiittio "tot
Magistrate could, if he disapproved of a meeting,
thought fit to any that it was incompatible with good Order, ; the Pry"; but why soil establish it ? Ile lbonglit the BO .i
the Slate were mowed in This country. it became site...sari
on She table, which rut:paired security In he gives', was earn • that the gaivevallornt awl the constiostiossal swhorstie4
declare a meeting illegal, and subject those who were prevent I
worse than act nsurship. The Hon. and Leareed Griot letuan ! eliwild chew a front to those seditious saitators, that would
to the peaahies of feleny. It was the greatest error is 1
who denied that there was no dimmosion in the Cabinet, as , Slop their noarlsinattoso, avid I firctuftlly put down their
governmeut ever committed In subject persons to rich i
. I to the policy of establishing. a cesteorthip over the press, • proicredints. It became therefore necessary to surto: ills
emir queaces who were committing no crime, atm ;'
was nut a Member of Ilse Cabinet; hot it was ire by , 1 measure more generally applicable, war 111.1. 1111 poo-
l:or 110 one act uf their II•n. For the meeting might he viol- I
rd mirpmety by Ow w„,,1,1 nal tine the suitor term alto a person who hail the lord right too kite.. doe fact, that : trAi ... Ritolll4l hare a wider sphere. Thome, le.-laud was
volunteer, who might remoter the me Hint direst, and %Hilo i 11"i° ihr„1"1"',
the . „'" r," ,r r,ell,bli""l.', re".""hiP was "" IIIIIR happily tranquil, yet it was thotteht right the shou'd
'rite , have its tone shut protertais against au evil which ...ther-
eat being pointed or takes out (the Bill required no such : tairrisin" in ine "nine', it sac "1"-""" liter,.
Noble Loral the,' alluded to the tiegociatioom od Ministers , wise may hereafter reach her, when Guvertimesit may net
room) all the other partira Meanie felon—or the meeting i
might be warts up
im arrow-ion, and a doze" tar am i with Forevou rowers, and Hatt:urea, with much melody, have the same facility of affording that immediate relief
disqualified persona he procured to Norm, who. had, or hetet I the policy atlsTtt•4l loy the Holy A111:tlICC. wide!. tits nettlee a roe case may rtquire.—(Hew, hear,
Mr. HONY 000 saiol, that as a cepc-sentative of a leyal frame ti oppution Benda+)
not been there, mil she Magistrate ;amid say, "Ayr, I see !
sad petpulusit comfy, he would ill olorloarge It duty if lie
I was right, you are all felons." The mos the right a' ' ; Mr. Baotortao remarked upon the whimsical Reciorent
the people of England!—(Cheers front the Opposition,)— ! dish out utter his "'ratlines"' on the Bills hur'"e !hem. rime . north by :he Nulole Lord epitomic, that she dancer, shoeets
were seetiment. ureed to skew that the populace was olio- 1 hr admit: it to have beano granter iu.1847, yet otiol 11111 re.
One Clallse incluotal even all meetings " relating to any !
ba,dnemir id praemmn... affected. He dill Out believe it. They were disaffected', not 1 quire such measures as were now called for. So Owl Ow
matters of trade, mentsfacture,
A 111114111 ff therefore fur any ialieral pnrpose, ands as 14. pelt. ! to their King Or their Holub y, lett to al inisiert. If that wra i Noble !sort WAR Ililt* to have a a hip of scamp:ova to rowed,
, • crime, he was guilty. Minist"rs had welle 31111010,1110/0 :. • le-. Cllll. Fisch period of Herat WWII to be the e rtßi. 01.
lion against Ilir soul tau, cutlet not takt• place. It woo im-
! On the Coostitutiow—he felt it lois ditty to resist themi ilard. 1 the cuuidev's fate, and at eachatieccataw a alarm. It was the
pu.sililt to expect that a comity meeting could he ealleol
...aid he ism i cularly on measures which he emir:tercel not merely an is- I policy to make it appear greeter than at any preceding ye-
tis. sine+ a ',omen% snot a perish meetwe asivation, but a tubers Hun or the Csonetiottion.
trifling for such a sulojert. Ile objected to the Rills fur i t Hod. In 1817, the whose details of heavy p'clis were mi-
lli% G. RANK eli •upportril the Bill. ..: tonal teeny arranged before a Committee—the malconteate
many other relieves., stuck he gave very imperrovely, and ;
Ile House then 'beide'', whet, there appeared for the ; had, it was proved, nowevinl resonrces--they hail ne. to oat
became lie considered them RS a series of testraiots about ; .
to be imposed un the pablie rights. third reading of the Bill— ; Committee in I.
1111 l lon, ~,,, rug the Insure doeooehowt
A y.s 313 1 the conintry--they had bullets (the Committee said: which
The ATTORNIIII-GaNtRAL denied the the Bills gave any I Nuts Ph were Rhea words found in a bloc ttenking—(et tunyh)—the
poser to a Magistrate to disperse a quiet awl legal meeting. , bridges were to lee attacked by two hackney-coachusen,• moil
They only gave power to slop any one front making se. Majority
(toile ThisHowgehrle_ba.adobateny ',tut due CothreLI.O4IIIITIOUCII to suet-curter—
ditiens propositions, and to disperse the meeting if my eolo. crave manifestations of
Hades were thrown in the way of that authority. What slid insurrection, the Reports hod • been founded, and tho
this do mere than the Red Act? NO NI:Icicle:Ile COIIIII enforce Acts passed. Oaths were then is due form stated by
that Act except riot were actually committed.—(flear, hear, learned persons to be to proves, of Handl-Hits.. nJuptiono.
fromthe Opposition.)—He did snit know what made roe Rut neither in 1812 nor lit 1817, wa. Ireland included in the
gentlemen cheer, but he instated on it the principle of the Acts. iffloy then should she sew? He appealed Si; his
Bill was the souse as that of the Rao' Art, many of the pro- Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Pliotkets), whose doctrines resteci.
visions sad lllllrealli 111 l of which bad heti rotated hum it. tug Ireland he et that period imbibeol—he would alt him
His Hon. end Learned Friruit pot, he tinct,a inottotrams rase, if it was toot at least 'ingratiates sod isoltioel to suspect Ire.
namely, that a klagistotte would bring a friend
of his, a land its that matinee berme she gave.any ground for turpi-
spy, as,
he mid, i• order, hy rein:easing n iinairter of an hour, mien, to:act towards her as if she were giiiity.. when the in-
tu make the meeting illegal. Hie last objection even ex- career!, according to the Noble Lord's owe edmiesiosi,
reed. .t she others ; be Raid that the Bill prevented tweeting, sot titan the suspicion of guilt ? Whet was more osliaus
for the regalatims of trade and mama... Hums. The Bill left than to tell her before bawl that she was distrieded
open meeting. relative to Wide and 'antlered's:me fur MI notwithstanding her tranquillity?—(Hear, -kerte.)—lts pea-
legitimate purposes. He roil that his HOW. Fr:m.o4lmA wet vale life wmohl net 8111 Ch a course create the distrust it
co.naidered the provisions of the Bill, and therefore ha maids was politic to modal? Ile would ask Lis Right Hon. and
°Wet-tiros which appearert very extraordinary. Lemord Flatlet atwitter this was the course likely to. con-
Mr. licanhwrr explained. ciliate his encore ymeti, so retain their affections, or illeteree
Mr. DaNNIAN said, Ow objection he stetted in Committee she good will awl coufideuce.wliiclt it was so desirable tor
hall not beer answered; the ohjectiou was, that roost, : hold with the people of that cousitry ?—(Hear, hrar.)—
mertibite called by the Lord Lieuteuant, or by she Sheriff, Were their affeetions Cu. be geitted by sowing di 111 l isi amine
or all the conalitnteil sisilsorittet, wits placed at the torso. thesis, by shewime so little a disposition nu net with kowtow. ,
of a Riegle Magietrate. The whole enactments of the Bill fa:root:Nor justice, to AO large and trivet-taut a past of lit
strut to this, that it should detwnot on the ditereC tof A.. populatioti of the empire ? (Heard
sift& Magistrate Whether a omity meeting should be dia. The Home then divided, whets there appeared--
eriod or not. There was a chose in She Bill which weal Fur Mr. Hosteltinson't nimbi') to exo met
to autism ice a !Magistrate to dperse any merino; i.e thought, Irelaild from the operation 4 the Bill.. 61:0
Ili, sail at the same time give hsim indemnity rue kiiisis.4 anti Against it
nielhiog any permits that might sot .dry his ciateatiod.,
It gave the power by implicati 111 l , siet by any positive ets.
acisnept ; loot his Hun. and learned Friend (the Solicitor-
(horrid) said 'llan the power of dispersion woo giro by the
Rho Art: he denied it; the power of dispersion by paw,
e Isolation was express!! givest by the Riot Act; lint ho re,
if the parties obstruct the Magistrate, he is indeninineil for
killtac ur maiming them. This, lie said, wee • fraud swoon
the House; ii legelosta the violence of Magistrates; ilivs:e
was, be contended, too such law at present. It was rod itie
commission of the peace gave Magistrates the power of dis.
version. Ile toweled as a lawyer met a mom, that the tom.
1111011011 of she peace gave 1111 such power. The Hon. snit
LemartGestleinan (the SolictiorGeneral) said OW a future
andel, that the Statute of Henry VII. gave a power to Me-,
cistrates to disperse meetings. The Hon. and Learned Greit.
must have mistaken the Act. The Act to which he (the Soli-
citor Gmeral) most have alluded, was an Act of Henry IV.
shop. T. but the Act he contratted gave wpewee to the
M•gostratesto disperse a poldicmaietisig. On the windy, lie
toori upon the Bill a. 'stiffly impotent fur its purposes :
it would out protect the loyal and peaceable, it would uut

On one re-ailinissioa lulu the gallery, we found
Mr. WHARTON ou his legs proposing a clause to autho-
rise Magistrates to allow fli.perieis to attend public milt.
jogs, ou receiving the mines of such Reporters 24 bows
before.
Lord CAP LL LL AMP said, that Mcgistretraluol the power.
If they thought fit, to give facility to persons who might at.
teod those meetings for the purpose of reporting. His I
strong objective to the clause war, that it would trrct those-
men who were now unknown to theconstitution jute a pub.
lie hotly—ilint it would lowest them with a public chewier,
and give them reclusive powers—that would be a proceeding
novel sad supreeedireard. He was aware that by means of
leper*s the country was awakened to a sense toidanger, but
he was also satisfied that the agitation of the eioiutry was
increased by menus of fictitious and dangerous reports.
Mr. TURRET said, that the Noble told seemed to object
to the principle of elbowing moots uf public media(' to go
furls—.he thought that the number of reporters, if limited
to three oi four, might be allowed.
Lord CAPTLX KKK Olt eXpl3ito.l.
After a few woo& from Mr. SwlTii, Mr. Ald Werotstee,
Mr. J. P,RANT, and Mr. Ht.ete; the clause was loin wills.
C
out a division.
Ma. Hume proposed *dottier to make it legal for reporters
to attend public inedivers (from the great noise produced
by atraagers rewriting to the gallery, we were sot able to
hear the precise words of the elsisse).
The Howe divided, whoa there appeared—.
For the Clause K•
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Majority for the flill iu it original stale led
On our te.tultnisn' in the Gallery, we frond *rectal Mem.
Isers,oe (heir legs, Fouponsug vartemitoruts uu the iineation
that the Hill do pa•+.
On the mot... of 31r. BrIVIAL fire noilenttnoil), the name
of "Copokofefere' wan ion oilseed afire that of •• Freehold-
ers" Wilk,' to attend at politic ore►ttugal •od also, al the
suggestion of Mr Wlt.l.Ltes„ ikt words, •• ur ■ny ells, r
permit entitled to vote," were added.
Mr..l. P. GRAFT nprrrd, that in the clause fur
Magisiraten and others from tlr.• cousegitmares of ace
loin of liven, or other raeunition which wily happen in dup.
unlawful •aenthlicw, the words ".rt s pe rs /no or rodra.
milled." They were e..pied Crum the
• u.aieee•aary in 11.1. littl,
could not accede to Iles motion.

Siljorrity 9/C•
(in returning to the Gallery, we fooled Niv C. H 1:1•1•••
CIIV4SOPI loft his leis/ istuessig ;hat the operation of he rli.t
should nut he extended to leelani tie ',Rot, that wit one
of the esoies which seenierl to render the Rills pretax:sky
in Eiiehimil existed in Ireland. lie brit called Hi
a Right Helmand& Gtattempu (Mr. Plunkett) to mate
what were lite eireamainwees which teailcitil it necessary,
that the psoviseies of the Bill should be extended to !se-
ism!, bet those circumstances were out. Meted, and he only
brawl

the N( lona would proleet
Ala 1301, *grim. eAI meetings, wit,. lo
+ w ustrul iu diE.teni I/Aria of rile

1.041, boil !hurt nrCUsuluitiers
•itraett to
wydy, &wirier* and petwripiewaraweit by the ; lite subtotal assemblies,
Hoft. Ga.u. al.w.s,bisb,woutft.bm4., doss reedit tit the pull• rearing to disperse, he or
betas+ or Vidtstantiutiple, The. Fltibt Coettileasass Riid Act, and be thmleht
I
had talked tit vselesive rwriottiot—he (Mr. Hutelsiasua) Lerd CASTLIIIIIAG el
it; be was that sight atteuslq 10 Ipinieitel 149 It was fleticilue rtit clea.
costal,cos '
Gout nittilitrell that wets at NOR aaptaitata•ait4 Mr. BROL GOAN wislie
grading; Witt &tines he was estiateihatit.POWS‘he.affekt halo the °Perlitien
to yes • Ideal laeetterbwil. Able, wow Lrere at cattalos seaaaua