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to the principle of the Bill, which was a fair one,
and b.mte out by precedent and the practice of
Parliament. Ile thought there was evidence rtir:i-
cient to induce them to entertain the measiirc in
those duclmcitts alluded to by his Noble Friend ;
an 1, as coining from t: grand ingar,t of the na-
tints, it was tlairefore admissible in point of princi-
ple. The qitestions vihich remained, involved the
nature and e:fea of the provisions of.the Bill, and
the probability, whether those could be so correaed
end amended i:t a Committee, as to induce thrm,
upon the w isle, to we:• to the measure. He.
therefore, could not uhjeB to the Bib going to a
Committee. As to the words °brae,' to by his
Noble and Learned Friend, they might be left out,
or any tither, which would hot produce inconve-
nience, affefl the principle of :he kill, or frustrate
the objeas of those who brought it forward. With
tespeet to the latter clauses—those indemnifyiag the
parties front all civil suits and applications—it was,
he thoneht, an unheard of extenst,m of the principle,
and would tend to set a pi ecedent of a very ci.togerous
nature. In this view, it should be considered what
may be done with a ;elerrme to the desired ob-
j-Cf, without the interference of the l..egisl iture, es
in the instance of the Attorney-General's entering a
• 0,7?, nr4sera, in the ca.t. f a criminal proceeding,
which would leave the patties liable to a civil anion.
His Lordship r'-.en referred to a part of the provisions
of the Bill, and which had a prospective operation,
with respell to an indemnity against all civil aetien,,
es well as criminal prosecutions, and which, he eon-
feext.d, appeared to him to I. so violent and out-
rageous an extension of the princis le, as, he thought,
could neve: he ser'onsly in the contemplation et the
promoters if tbe le .advert d to the propriety
of limcing the indemnities, with rerrence to the
circumstances of the pending impeachment ; and
of placing the parries in that situation, in which a
mill proteindi would leave them. At the saute time
at the el.,se of the ses-.ion, he thought as little delay
as possible ,hretld obtain ; and that it tiould be het-
ter to let the Bill go threugh i s two next stages, and
consider the proposed alterations, on the 9d reading.
Lord Viscount SIDMOUTH short- delvered
his sentiments He agreed in a great deal of what
fell from his Noble Friend who spoke last upon the
suhjea, and thought the obj•Elions made to the lan-
guiefe cf the Bill were such as might easily be ob-
viated in a Committee; hut he thought it would
be a lamentable consideration, were the Bill altered
in such a way as to throw obstacles ia the way of
attaining the evidetice necessary for the ends of sub-
stantial justice on the one side, or of estate Oh-
in` the innocence of the individual accused, on the
other. lie thought that all due facilities should be
given, and that they may confide in the vigilance
ache Noble Lord on the Woolsack, that no ille-
gitimate measure should he resorted to. .
After a short explanation from the LORD
CHANCELLOR, the House resolved into a Com-
mittee on the Bill, passed it without amendment,
forthwith received the Repo) t ; and,
On the motion of Lord HAWKE:3BURY, or-
dered the Bill to be read a third time to-morrow; on
whi h occasion it is understood the proposed =cud-
=edits will be discussed.
Their Lordships then went intrie Committee upon
the Pad iington Canal B.il, against which the
Alarsptis of Buckingham had previously presented
a petition.
In the Committee, th • Noble Nlerquis spoke at
&Aside: able le,igth against the kin aid so vrengly
was he impressed with the injurious eels of the
measure, that he mopesed the Chairman should
leave the Chair, in order to move afterwards, that
the further consideration of the Bill be deferred to
that dey theee months.
Lord liA RROW BY defended the Bill.
The Marcois of BUCKINGHAM explained ;
after which, he moved, for the above purpose, that
the Chairman do now leave the Chair.
On this the Committee divided—
the Motion B—Against it I—Majority 5.
After some further discussiort, in which Lo-d
newt:miner and other Peers took a part, the Bill
went through the Committee, and was ordered to
be reported tn-morrow.
The House went into a Committee of the whole
Rouse on
THE SMUGGI.F.Itv rif t.
lord HOLLAND opposed the Hill proceeding
Irny further during the present session, on the for
grounds :—That it WAS a Bill of the highest
importance to the best and dearest rights and pri.
vileges of the inhabitants of the Islands of Jersey
and Guernsey ; that considerable doubts were enter-
tained by the inhabitants of those Islands, which
doubts had been strongly supported by Counsel iie
both Houses, whether the Parliament had a right to
legislate for those islands, it having been the custom,
time oat of mind, fur the King in Council to be their
sole Legislator. He did not say that he was pre-
pared to admit those arguments, as to the rights of
legislation ; hut he could have no doubts on his
own mind, that if the iehabitants of those islands
entertained such sentiments, the passing cf this all
could not fail to engender discontents, whose ef-
teas would be highly injurious to the interests of
this country. His Lordship went into a consider:a.
bd.: length of argument t on the great hardship and tip-
prcssinn of many of theclattses,which empowered C us-
tom-house Officers to bring persons, who were only
passengers on board ve,scls in which contrabandgoods
were tound, to any part of the United Kingdom,
to be tried by laws of which they were totally igno-
sant, and Isfrire tribunals to which they were utter
strangers. He was certain, he said, that these nho
framed the Bill, and ehose who had passed it in alio-
iinitse, did not understand the UAW.: of many
- persons cons-
ild be brought
Peoer—ts de-
:flown and sin-
e complained of
;h the Hill had
, and the very
ted to be hue-
/ Lordships to
inaccuracies—to

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wns now before the House for its eonsiderat ion ; if,
bowev •r, such was ever excusable, it war during
the present session. .'He differed, however, from
his Noble Friend.who spoke last, as to the principle
of the Bill. The belandsof Guernsey and Jerset were
well knnem to be a great erarrAt for various kinds
of ro:rehandise ; they, of course, became a great
entrept for smigAng also ; and the state of our
trade rr spired that smuggti:lg should be sup-
pressed Ai mob and as speedily as possible,
manor:ally hr those Islinds, in and from which it
was carried on to an a:nazing extent. The Bill, he
allowed, was of the highest importance, and, as
sikh, it had receive' the fullest and most serious con-
sider:Lion —it had heels !refine the other House ever
sines the lOth of ; had been repeatedly dis-
crused ; Counsel had been fully heard against it in
both Houses; the people of Jersey had made no
objeflion to it ; and, fur all those reasons, it had
his decided support.
The Duke of CLARENCE ohjealed to so im-
portant a qaestion being brought forward at so late
a period of the session. He regretted he had lea
had an opportunity of hearing the Counsel at the
bar on a former occasion. His Royal Highness oh-
served. he had hewn more than once in the Islands
of Jersey and Guernsey, and could vouch for the
luyalty and attachment of the inhabitants to th:
Government of this kingdom. In the year 1783 it
WAS the wish of Government to employ officers to
pr event smiiggltng; and it wat•then found, that ves-
sels of very small construetion only could be service-
a!de. Is Was impossible for French vessels to navi-
gate near Normandy, without coming within a few
leagues of those islauds. Exclusive of the lateness
1 the session, he considered this by no means the
proper time for considering a question of so serious
importance. The Officers who were empluyed up-
on that service, thought that such a measure was
certainly necessary ; but they considered that this
WAS by no means the One for entertaining the ques-
tion; he there ore give his decided opposition to
the further progress of the Bill.
Lord HOLLAND shortly explained ; he thought
the bill replete with incenveniencies, and must give
rise to many difficulties and disputes, and if nil
rejected altogether, he at least wished it should not
take place till next session.
Lords Hawesseuev and HOLLAND severally
explained, when the question for tire Chairman
leaving the Chair, was put, and negatived without
a division.

The first clause was then read in Committee, and
Lord Hot.i.attn moved, " That this clause should
be omitted," when a division took place, and die
numbers appeared.
For retaining the clause P)—For rejelting it 7---
Majority against Lord H.,lland's Motion 11.
The several other clauses were then read, the
House resumed, and the report ordered to be re-
ceived to-morrow.

Lord HAWKESBURY moved the Order of the
Day for the further consideration of the Duke of
Athol's claim, in Committee ; when
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM rase, and ob-
served, that several of the papers, which were es-
sentially necessity fur !be consideration of this ques-
tion, had not been printed, nor had even the Coun-
sel beets apprised of the order for their attendance
until if i• day; he therefore considereJ their Lord-
stips could not then discuss the subject with pro-
priety, and moved the Questi(al of adjournment.
The Earl of WESTMORLAND obje&ed to the
motion.

A division took place, and the numbers appeared
—For the questing of adjournment 7, proxies 5,
total 12—Against it 21, proxies 20, total 41—. M-
ajority against the adjournment 29.
While strangers were excluded, a conversation
took place between the Marquis of lice Itit.inH a 4,
the Earl of CAR Yiro sr, Lord HAWIRI.SBLIKV, BCC
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he I louse then went iato a Committee, and Coun-
sel were called in.
Mr. Romilly was heard at great length nn behalf
of the Petitioners. against the ; after which,
The Earl of WESTMORLANI) said, that after
the utmost attention that he could pay, he had not
heart: one argument which here against the Bill.
A conveis tt:oa then ensued between the LORD
CMAKCCILOa and the Marquis of BLit:1111011A hi, in
which the former argued against the calling in
Counsel, and the latter for it.

Counsel were then heard, and witnesses were ex-
amined in support of the all,4kations in the Bill.
After this proceeding had taken place, and the
Counsel withdrawn. their Lordships entered upon
tUsctissina of Cie c:aases (If the Bill.

The praamble being postponed, and the question
on the principal enacting clause, that of granting
the Annuity to the Duke of Athol, to the amount
of one fowls pan of the customs, Stc. of the Isle of
Mao ;

The Duke of NORFOLK strongly opposed it in
a speech of some length, and afterwards took the
sense of the Committee upon the Clause; when there
appeared—For the Clause 19— Against it s.—Ma-
jority 14. •
After some farther discussion, the Committee went
through the remaining clauses, on the suggestion of
the LORD CHANCELLOR, without amendment.
It being agreed th:tt the farther debate, and what-
ever amendment any Noble Lord may propose,
should he on the third reading of the Bill;
The report was further received, and the Bill was
ordered to be read a third time to-morrow, when, the
Lotto Cu ANCRI Loit remark, I, in the coutse of the
above conversation, Noble Lords could debate the
measure eight, nine, or ten hours, if they thought
prt,pee.
At FOE: R O'CLOCK this morning their Lord-
ships adjourned till the usual hour this day.

parts of it ; for they had emitted, that p
11 snitling efences ag.iinst the AR, shouis
to answer hefore the .1 egti'eet of the
scrip:ion of parsons altogether unknol
bile:eard of in c
Ire
sit
o.dhenrf otf the
he.. He cc
which
been brought forward in dud Horse, i
hasty mai.aer in which it was attempte4
tied shrimp. lie entreated their I.
pause—to consider well the many inaci
say the least of the.u, to which he had
numerous mischiefs to which the Bill
rise, and that they wool.] ci nient to de
west Session, when it might be more si
fully considered. 1-ie thzrcfore move
Chairs in ef.) leave the Choir, and repot'
'Lord 1-i A‘VK P.SCU Y allowed she
the stessitits, and the iratzrAtse press at btu