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ealcubielis than himself to fey:whet benefit had ever arisen Rom
tees Fend. It bad existed front the year 179-2 to the year 11119, oi
period of 27 yeses'opd he would challenge tiny lion. Member 0
anew the benefit defied 6'olll the measure. 'I he statement of the
Anemia -•iteseien- of ..die country would, le thought. snake
the answer perfectly clear, and he would then ask the Wine if
such a measure could be deemed either essentially necessary or ex-
pedient the the payment of debt. In the year 1791 the debt
amounted to two hundred millions ; in the year 11119, the debt of
the c .u.try was eight hundred millions; here, theiefere, was an
sohlitein to the debt of six hundred millions, during the refuel- of
the relegate of this Fund. How, therefore, could this Feed he
weld to be awful? lie was scaly LI) admit :hat the debt win dimi-
malted since the ear 1819, but it must be owing to other causes
shun this Fund; its operation could not cause the roluctien that
took 'duce mace the year 1619; since that pisiod a reduction tonic
place upon the debt, to the ameent of three millions ; Mk could
u,m be u ftertvtl by the operation of this stunt of five million. l'pon
the 4th January, 1819, the debt amounted to 791,1117,1e5t ; the in-
terest upon it was the suns of A 1,356,971/. lle would ineks a state-
ment of this interest at 26 years purchase.—lllere there rile wane
es emoting of interruption.; The lion. elember said it wet of the
high..t consideration that there should be a clear ides upon this
'object; it wits a matter deserving of the mot 114.11111111 coosident-
tees He would take the value of 25 year, purchase, and this I
"mid mane the real monied debt of the country upon the tell MI
Jneuary, 1819, amount to 73:1.11119,3301.—thia auto would repre-
'fed the mowed debt of the country. Titter had been, more
Januery 1819, • reduction of that debt to the amount of
9.61nee171., maid, the debt at !,resent amount to the sum of
71.12.2e.ffitl e The interest upon the debt had been also diminished,
wee it was upen the diminution of chi. totercst he meant to gement
that melon which he had the honour of submitting to the Howie.
slice tholes's 11119, there was a reduction upon the interest of the
debt of leeibbelle2J. ; it was evident and clear that the five niiniens
uppropriamil to the reduction could not have operated to dila ex-
tent ; thatareduction was effected in the following manner :—The
BUM of 1,e10,04.141. was reduced by the reduction of the 6 per cents.
to 4 per epos., and a diminution of 376,1.11/01. wan dr!Cted by the
retuctioa of the 4 per cents to 31,. This sum of 1,668,0110/. was
equivalent to the reduction of 53,000.0101. capital ; and from this
statement it must be evident to all of what little utility the
4.090,1310 L were when appropriated to the discharge of the debt.
'lle diminution was caused by the activity, the ability,
aid industry of the people at large, in the appliextion and
isse of their own capital. To this statement he eddy dial.
I segol the attention of the House; the truth of it could not be
denisd, and it was equally clear the five millions haul no share
weeteyer in reducinsethe interest. It was clear from the speed
it lei which it was effected, the Sinking Fund was nut the cause;
and he would take on himself to affirm, the fund unaltered ne
other purpose than that of dragging so much money fruit the
pockets of a reluctant people. When we considered the debt was
OHM :,ialsed since 11119 by nine millions, it was impossible to attribute
the alteration to the operation of the fund. Ile would nosy use tin
amount, which may appear strange, that the money value of our
it .ht at present exceeded the money value of the debt in 1819, by
1. ;141,074L And notwithstanding the appmpriation of the 6,0110,00 a
the tummy value of the debt would be greater in 182847 than it
Is at present. As to the public, it was of little cousomence whe-
ther the debt amounted to three hundred or A doused millions ; it
•ns to the interest the remit would look, aid not to the capital.
They would be called to pay the interest; and they would prefer
the reductieu of the interest, and expect it in a reduction of the
,see.. A greater sum was wanted at present than in the year 1319
for Ilkw reduction of the intereat. Whether the plan was tight or
sarong he would not (ureteral to say; he was inclined to think,
Item all the consWeration he could give the subject, that this tak-
leg of live millions from the pockets of the
.people would have the
effect rather of retarding than of accelerating the payment of the
debt. It would not reduce the debt, even if the fund were at par.
lie • blotted, the addition of five millions to the unfunded debt
would be beneficial, if the credit of the country were in a tottering
stele; then the case might admit a different argument ; but the
p•iLlie credit was in no danger whatever; if it were, why were se
s. soy Rills submitted to the House, asking permission for the em-
pioymeut of (aphid in new channels. It might he said, where is the
repetlieney of taking off the tax at all ? To ibis he would answer,
let the 'talc spend die money ; let it apply the money on consume.
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tem. the tax were repealed, its amount would be spent on repro-
duction, and the benefit Mowing from this source would be of a much
times extensive nature than had ever been derived from the tax ;
ands greater quantity of capital would be advanced by Giving up,
than by balding the tax. The increased consumption of articles
would miss Make intends for the deficiency, and bring it up. This
beuetie be was aware, could not be obtained to-day or to-morrow ;
but it would certainly be obtained if peace continued and the pros-
perity of the people remained as at present. If things continued
as nt present, the period would arrive for reducing the 3 per
carte This Stab amounted to tre7,ooo,ollW. and the interest
upon it amounted to 11,1101,000 e If the interest upon this
wen reduced to 2i, like that upon other stock, there would
be a considerable saving. If the interest were reduced to 21, it
world effect a saving of ...,al,unol., representing a capital of 86
miff:ins. Its addition to the advantages *rising from his plan, If
it were assented to, it would remove the necessity of entrusting the
Chancellor of the Exchequer with a large surplus. (here there
wc:e some symptoms nt inattention in the (louse.) The lion.
eleteber rentomed. Ile knew it was a dry subject, but he felt it
31 act of justice to rem it upon the House ; and he was obliged to
eo'er into particulars ; as when he sought the repeal of a tax, it
was incumbent upon hint to she. the reasons of his demand. tic
said Clink it impolitic to make the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer the peahen of this surplus. Ile did not think be
uvula throw it aw, but still he thought the trust imprudent.
From the whole of his statement he hoped he made it clear
that the change since tin year 111111 could not be owing to the
turd in question. These ems aDoeher question to which lie should
allude—he meant the railway of the dead weight. Urn this
occasion the Minister made a bargain with the Bank, and unfor-
tunately, from the state of the stock at the time, there was a lons of
two minims. There was a bail effect of leaving • surplus in the
hands of the Right Hon. Gentleman, which the Mouse witnessed.
'fluent was amongst the miscellaneous estimates a sum of 900,0001.
TH.. the Hight lion. Gentleman said, should never happen again :
ft WY required for churches, palaces, and pictures. This mode
was not, he onuceived, dealing fairly with the public, and if his,
section WM. attended with success, it could not be repeated. lie
hoped the House would now agree with hint that it would be more
expedient to take away the fund, the operation of which was un-
succeedal, and he trusted he could shew it would he much more,
beneficial to the public to reduce the interest of the debt. Having
row stated, an fully as he was competent, the reasons why he pre-'
Ic.rei the taking off of taxes to the amount of live millions, he
would not iniubW the House with any further et mmient on the Sink-
tog Flusile but he would loomed to state to the I louse what the taxes
were which lie would with to Lave taken off., and he would mention
thus* fie the repeal of which he intended to submit a motion to the
Illeuse, He would state them in order, not front their annual calcula-
ti me, which was perhaps higher than the receipt, lie would state thou
lately (runt the average of the Right lion. Gentleman hinsself,
during the last three years. ceding in January inele The first
tax be 'idled to repeal, and he would couple it with another, we.
tee Window Tax, producing 1,260,001.1 t. The tax he coupled
with this was the House Tax, producing 1.2511,01101. The inten-
tion we., that these duties should cease from January 111.25.
These duties, if repealed, would still leave a surplus of nearly two
millions and a half of the five millions kept up as a ;inking
mid. The other items he would sum up altogether, and he
would give those who were disposed an opportuuity of voting for
4 ',exalt of them aIL
Servants - . - 159.4115te
Servants in trade . 78,454 e.
I Usnasoe, &c. . - 3oomete
limes - - . 309,01101.
Ligature for coachmakers 50001.
The taxes on these articles, wile some other itema, would amount
to 1,110.0e01.; and these, when added to the house and witulow.
tax, would make a total of 3,M10,0011/. In addition to this, we
should get rid of the expenses of collection, amounting to
Welted. It was nut hi. intention to injure those who had
a 'eel the country ; he del not w.sh to adopt such a paltry saving.
l'be servants of the country should be liberally paid, and by this
teams it would be better served; the beet part of the lives of those
persons was seised in the titmice of; the country they were educeted
to that object, and they should not be left to want. Haying guarded
e.smielf against the charge of wishing to injure this class of
es would cow ask the H House whet chance there was a repealrer3l'
sly whet axes for four years to conic? Ile could assure the
Haase them was no chance at all. Asa proof of this, he hail read
A cotrasponolcnce which passed between the Right Hortour.ible
tieetletnan and the Commosioners of the Tax Office. The letter
It .0 I:shield ; its nature was important, hut he recollected its cur-
t:nu ; it was written after the neuction of the assessed taxes. Ile
d d rot blame the Conunismuners—they acted like ditiegne end ac-
tat e servants ' • they did their duty, acid were warranted- 61f the act
in their proceedings. They wrote • letter to their assonant and tan-
gatherers to ;pi thmuglu the country and assess the houses,
not for the purpose, as the Right Honourable Gentleman
H en
lesd said, of' equalising. but o raising the assessments.
They called upon them to be zealous and industries, not its
sepiabsing but in miring the moseessinents, and they would weeni-
e cud them to the Treasury to receive a fitting reward. He would
nee the Right Ilan. Gentlonan, if his object was CqUidi/ci!,4,
Wily did he speak of raising the assessments ? Il'as not his lan-
guage to raise and increase the duties? Ile approved of the ie 1.-
etV:t of the Commissioners in equalising the house assessments;
they were unequal; but surely. if there was meaning in wore's,
fleeing a tax was not equalising it The consequence nt thi. let ter
was. that It created general ahem. A report was made to ,mire
leather of the Howse against this re-asseonient or stirchnrge. 'lle
faun was, the Right lion. Gentleman put an end to tile seheme.
In this he acted wisely, and he would, in his °pigeon, act
inure wisely still if he put an end to all direct taxation.
Ile did not mean to say the nation was not able to hear taxation.
lie did Oat mean to assert this, but the country did not wrote:
of direct taxation ; this it showed in the tax upon income and pro.
yerty; tbe. only fair 'nude of direct taxation that could be itn-
es, ed the people did not approve of, as it was too inquisitorial ;
t ey did not submit to at; they would soon get rid of all direct
'station, and they would never submit to it again. His dislike to
iserect taxation was because it was not equal—it was partial. Ile
felt another objection when he looked at its machinery. Returns
were required, papers were sent, it bleb three-fourths of those who
exesieffil them could not understanif—notices were served upon
•ich thee - sl r "11 r- The asneutews had also a power
time to those who were lem-
on the same day, and sham
from their numbers they had
lialiked this mode at' taxation,
to the people; it tell more
it altogether. Itneverreached
...ea extended to residents, with.
escaped direct taxation ; itemerited
- tae was laid an servants, *by

not *Wm Others ? This tax was partial, it cramped the Industry of
the servant. Ile was not like the mechanic or the artisan :in these
classes there was competition ; the servant had nothing but his la.
hour. Why lay a tax on horses used for agricultural purposes?
The tax upon carriages was said to affect mere luxuries ; for this
raison be would not qay much on the subject; this tax o hold be
" equal ; other luxuries should be also taxed. There was an annual
duty laid on coachmakers. Why tax them teinually ? There Mtn a
duty on looking glasses, also luxuries, but it was not annual.
Why not impose tarns annually on furniture, carpets, &c. ? When
in considering the taxation of the empire he looked to Ireland, he
owned he felt surprise : there was not a man in the House more
anxious for the bestowal of every boon upon that country ; but he
Man atlrprit• to find a country, fertile and }resoling so many ad-
vantages of mil and situation, hasoi"g an t:tolostrimos propuistio,
of seven millions, should pay nothing more to the enop)-,.
than lief share of the debt. 'rose tasstion i h Inland uonoomoto 1
to Ids. shillings a bead ; in England Yo 31. Hs.
noise of this difference was the wa it of employment for 100 r
poopulation. If the plan rcournmentled by his hotooloraMe H,
were netted upon ;• if commissioner* were apie•ineed fur the parts,. • ;
if %liniment serionsly set stoma that objeo•t, the people of I rel."."•o!
would he prosperous all harpy: if this, something
wo re rot dome, from the event* which w.te likely to follow, and
ionnictilarly from the ineentim of slum , Inland would :it so me"
• period be invaded, and this country iennl.l lind to her cost
is wo.ild be h• r ton•ot fornoinable Inc my, MIMI her
always in a lode of rebeliion, would gl lolly :tea over uo ii".y
guserionent that would take them urnoer eso t.ing. ale would in,.
pre x upon the Howse that the role al of !lire. u.flliuzs mid a half
would give relict to the public to Inc a.r,uaat of folly millions,
as they would get rid of the expense Or :he collectors. This
reduction would not be a proismional lets to the revenue.
I'heretluc Mu of three noilliosts would not noon? a Ire :ter
tion than too millio.os mod a lelf. These wen: the statements he
had to make to the Hollow, nod he was grstelid nor the attention with
which he had been heard. Ile would inure that from theiithonfdan.
18-13, an duties upon Causes, windows, horses, servants, clicks,
earriigts, and all compositions in lieu, should tease and determine.
Mr. LEICESTER. seconded the motion. Ile wished the rept:•l
of the present system ; it converted the sturdy squire into a pliant
place-hunter. The reduction was most tlestriele ; the question
was, how could it be otrried into erect? He thought it was
possible, especially at this period, when the liberal ptinciples
•of a free trade were acted erg. Ile cowered taxes of this
nature were as mischievous es restrictions were fb a Pee trade.
Ile would contend that the Sinking Fund ass not now essential to
the support *four credit. Its existence might be necessary to as-
shot the Unveniments of Austria, Prussia, and Rustic in their plats
of aggrandisement, and he had no doubt bat he should shortly see
shade comitries following the tynotnical example set theta by the
despot of Spain. The credit of this country had stood the test of
every storm that shook it. and tlyeeihre the Sinking Fund might
now ha diverts it with. He was surprised to hear the Ifientlenten
win mine, red the principles of free trade come forward to upheld
such an ar.olieir.l fond.
The i 11.% NC E1L1.1412 of the I:X(11E41PM! rose and said,
that the resolution whirls ha.' been real tram the Chair was pre-
cisely the same as had been brought forward about live works ago,
by the Honourable 51eitohq fur H'estminster ; :aid all the argu.
clients used on that set-ado* by that Honourable Member lusd
been this night reiterated by the lionotineble Member for ilbitog.
don. In his opinion nothmt; lis-1 passed since the debate on the
former night which emald lead I to suppose that Mere was the
smallest probability of the noose adopting a erdierent course
ius what t then porn:ed. The arguments were the same, and the
inexpediency and impolice of these taxes would, I.e hewed, be urged
with as notorli force and I:Tect an they were on that occasion, and
that the Hoop° would treat in the soma asanr.er all that they had
beard relative to the alnunlOty anol folly of persevering in Leeping
up ft Sinking Fund. The Hon. 31ember for N'estmitotter hail nut
succeeder!, and he certainly now should Ise astonished if the iloese,
at this advanced period of the Session, should turn round on its
former derision and adopt the present motion. The Ilan. Member
fur Westminster, indeed, did not go the length that it was now
l d to ga, MO his motion was only for the repeal of the duties
onurei,Lss and windows, antounrlng to shout 2.500,0001.; bit: the
question now tilor discussion was for a total repeal of the assesmol
m tri &moundto 3,5410,0001. Ile did nut now feel himself called
open to argue at any length against the present resolution, as he
could only re.state the imiter that he hail gone so muds at large into
on the former discussion, and which lie was sure the nous:: would
not feel at all Inclined for him to :In, ant therefore he should ab-
stain from it. But there were one or two points to which be would'
shortly advert. The first of these was the Sinking Fund, or, if he
acre to designate it more properly, the surplus of the revenue"
over the expenditure. The Honourable Member, in speaking
of the operation of this Fund, load eonipaml the reduction al
the debt which It had been the means of correcting, with its amount
in the year 1819. This, he contended, was not a fair way of treat-
ing the question, as the whole =cunt of debt, both funded and
unfunded, should be taken as it existed on theist of January, 11116,
and the reduction that had taken place since that period would
" show at once the manner in which Ibis fund had smoked ; and be
therefore would argue the point as referable to 11116 ; from which
period, in the course of eight years, a diminution of the debt had
taken place, amounting to 30,1100,0801., and this had been produced
by the Sinking Fund, or by the Surplus Fund, or by any other
name or nickname by which Honourable Hentleinen might be
pleased to term it ; and, If -that 39,100,1001. had nut been reduced,
the country would have been paying interest on it, therefore this
hind was not so utterly useless as it had been represented to be.
According to the returns which were then on the table of the
Howie, the charge of interest on the funded debt, in January,
11110, was 130,21111,9
The charge of interest on the funded debt, on lot
January, 1823, was - 27,873,000

Making a reduction of . - X 2,284,359
Then if we turned to the neat page, and looked to the state of the
funded Exchequer bills, we should find, that on the Ist of Janu-
ary, 1816, including Ireland, they announced to 0,082,0101.; they
now amounted to 34,1.011,000!. There had been, it was true, a
diminution of the charge by a diminution of the rate of interest,
which, he would admit, was not exsctly referable to the Sinking
Fund ; yet we had no right to say that that diminution was tona-
-1 pletely independent of it, as, if the advice of discarding the Sink..
tog Fund altogether, so often given, had been acted upon, such a
reduction could not have been effected. Now if the plan of the
I Honourable Member. who bad this night route forward with his
Resolution of getting rid of this surplus fund, by a reduction
of taxation to the amount of 3.1)00.111•01., were to he acted on, it
was stated that we might be enabled to reduce the interest of the
Three per Cents. It should stem by the arguments of the Ho.
Pourable Gentleman that he hail been amnia:tag on the Titre,.
per Cents. being c cry shortly at par, and all this happening
during the malitteteince of a Making Fund; and it eould nut
therefore be argued that this fond would pntcludo that stock
from reaching the par. The lion. Blensher had not, therefore,
made out such a CAN: against his (the ('hancellot of the Exche-
quer's) poor friend, the efittkisg; ',tont, as would induce the House
to accede to his provoition. Ile had told the House that there
would he no reductioo in taxation for four yeas, to come, and had
r.presented the prospects of the country in conser)ucnce as very
dark and gloomy. lie, for his part, would not deal in prognostics,
ash was not his business so to do; but if he were so inclinml, he
thought that the rays of hope were very cheering, when last year
he proposed a repeal of taxes to the amount of 3,200.004 l'he
lion. Gentleman exclaimed, that all that was very well, but cried
out for the repeal of the Sinking Fund; but notwithstanding so
extensive a roped, yet, with the preservation of that odious fund,
he was enabled to come forward again this year and reduce
1,250,0001. more, and be appealed to the House it' it found hint
unwilling at any period to bring forwanl • repeal of taxes when-
ever it was consistent with the interests of the country so to do.
((hear, hear.) After such facts were adduced against the argu-
ments of the Hon. Member, he trusted he should hear no more of
the gloomy prospects of the country; but he, on the contrary, con-
fidently snot...poled that its increasing prosperity would enable the
Government to cortinue in its coins., of a gradual abolition of
taxation ; but he must ask of the House and the country to wait
till the proper periods arrived, when such reduction mimlit safely
and; advantageously be made. lie for one had never argued for
the maintenance of any tax that could with propriety be repealed,
as he thought that reduction, where it could be effeeted, was per re
a very good thing. He did not conceive that his duty required hint
to say any thing more on this subject, and he would therefore
merely refer the House to the principles on which he had acted,
and leave them to draw their own conclusion. (('heers.) He heti
but ore word more to say, and that was on a matter which he
thought he had before satisticterily explained. He meant the
hums dozy ; it had been represented to him that in some parts of
the country this duty had been most unfairly levied. There were
ilifilorent rates on houses of precisely the sante site and appearance,
which he thought to he the excess of injustice, and for which
no possible reason could be saidigned. When this was stated to
hint, he had reason to think that no one was charged more than he
ought to be, and he had no other motive in writing the letter that
had been allotted to than to produce in that respect an equality of
taxation; and he certainly did give instructions that a re-assessment
should be made, for the purpo.• of obtair.ing that object ; but in.
meiliately on learning that his letter had been misinterpreted, and
that surcharges were in consequence of such re-assessment taking
place, he desired that they should cease, and he certainly did not
think that thew was any thing in his conduct on that occasion cal-
catkins' to draw ov hint the slightest animadversion. (ncur, hear.)l
lie now felt satistkd that he had said quite enough on a subject
a hick bad already, on a pr,:vious occasion, undergone so full and
I thorough a discussion.
Mr. Ill' it E said, that last rear the Right Hon. Gentleman load
I stated that since 18111 a diminution of the Debt had taken place by ;
I the operation of the Sinking Fund, to the extent of 24,0110,001fi.
I He now eolargtil the sum to 39.000.00/., making an increase, in
the mune nt one year, of 15.000,1100/. For his part he was quite;
at a loss to know how the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Ex-
I chequer had arrived at such a conclusion ; but he would venture to
say, that no documents bad been furnished to that !louse which
would justify it, as, according to the returns made there, the dimi•
notion, front the year 111111, did not exceed 7,0110,01110/.., and ditrieg
that time we had been borrowing large WHIM of money, which the
Right lion. tientientan had catirely left out of his account. Vet'
supposing that such an assertion would have been made, he hail
' omitted to bring his authority with hint, which nook' bac,. enabled
him to Tetont entirely the remarks of the Right lion. Gentleman
071 thill ,tilnecr, which lie felt convinced wee quite orrimrm.s. In
the rear 1817. the surplus was 1,1011.080/.; in Dila, 1:2(10,0lint;,
in !kith 1.5110,1d0/.; in Ili yt, less; and in Mgt, 2,4011,11MV. lint
it should he recollected that we had all this time been jobbing, boy-
' ing nt sae price and selling at another, by which we had lost all
thou we bad gained. and the consequence was, that we had not
saved a single shilling. The Hon. Gentleman hail taken eretlit to
the liosernuttrrt for the repeal of taxes which had been Cored upon
; them, and that toe after having come forward with a declaration
that it was impossible to give up a shilling more by war of
remission. The Right Honourable Gentleman had stated that
nothing had take!, place since his llonou:ablg Friend th.:

Ilenebor fur Mrettmlnstee had brought forward his motion on
this subject. to induce the House to cowie to a different deci-
sloe than it did on that ocemion. Hid the Honourable Gentleman
forget that since that period the table of the House had been laden
with petitions, paying for the
' (lentligOan, in speaking of the Sinking Fund, had said that it could
repeal of these taxes ? The lion.
not be hoterapplieel than at present ; but be contended that it had
better be kit in the pockets of the people, where it would act as a
inielea to trade, tied give • spirit to commercial speculation : at
all eveets, its imeeeits would be present ctel tangible,—taw they
were only distant and doubtful. The assessed taxes were an im-
pediment to the r: .n of thousands and true of thousands of peo-
ple from the continent to this country, and that alone he should
think would farres!' a sufficient ergunrent for their repeal. If Ali_
nist:rswo,Jd retend the principhs on which they had recently been
t.tei t• mar:i n T 014 would infoec spirit and vigour into
vie of Sande, rs I, felt usti.tied tam the letting loose
3.1 ;eetheir. of money would be a means of giving employment to a
ins• number of people. The great complaint against these taxes
wee th-4 they were partial. If money was wanted, the people
ouel it to be taeel generally. Ife admitted that public credit stood
/s OPT: 11.1 it 14 0414iDiy noun A and he therefore thought that it
tee% •lieirahle, in every point of lion eh it taxation should be equal s
tee.ides which the House should rec4l, et the enormous sum that
cos expereled in the concede,' of the, • taxes, no less a sum being
repair, d for this purpose than 't,eti,ctio.'., without calculating the
ex-idiots that were made front the people, which never found their
way into the public puree, mid were aosequently never accounted ,1
cur. Takieg all these into coneideration the relict- that would be 11
aft:wiled to the public by the re mission of Jove taxes would amount
to reeler 4,0011,01)W., and this entimunix emu might then be left to
accumulate in the pockets of the people, or be disposed of for the
beneit of trade.
al e. .11:1--nran TE said that he could not acquiesce
in the proeositioa that was then before the House, although he
must admit that the assessed taxes were more hateful to the country
than any that could be propose! (Hear, hear, and laughter), yet
he fdt convinced that the credit of the country required that the
Sinkine Fund should be supported, end he was therefore of
opinion t!int these taxes couki not be repealed at the expense of
that Fund ; but if it were possible diet the assexsed taxes could
be reduced censietently with the preservation of the Sinking Fund,
then the motion shoal have hie most hearty concurrence.
Mr. N. CALVERT opposed the motion, as he thought that
those taxes ought first to be reduced by which the price of labour
'bight be enhanced.
Mt. C. i'ELIIA :if said a few wards, which were inaudible in
the gallery.
Mr. M ARERLY, in reply, observed, that if the statement of
the Right lion. lionlemati (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
was correct, there could be no hope of any reduction of taxation
before the year Inn. The lion. :bleatiber for Sudbury (Alder.
man Ileyeete) had 'Wool. that he had spoken on this question
for the cake of his embedment.; and although he thought a reduc-
tion of taxation most desirable, he should vote against the present
motion, on account of the Sinking Fund. Surely a nicre entracte.
cheery doctrine was never put forth by an Alderman of the City
of Istrelon : and es to the Hon. Gentleman's constituents, he
%Meer ly wished that they had been widiin hearing of his speech;
bit as that was out possible, be hoped the lion. filentber woad be
correctly reported, that these person% might at least have the ad-
vantage of reading it. The Right lion. Gentleman had stated
that lie Ctir. Illatm.ly) had forgone, that the unfunded debt in
1816 was fifty-two millions. But that statement was 111.101111thd,
foe it was then forty-nine 'Milieus for England and Ireland; and
sines 1818 there were thirteen millions of unfunded and nine ma-
lions of funded debt redeemed ; and the papers that would be on
the table in a fete days would not only confirm that but every
other point he lied stated. He enervated the House to recollecr
that if they 'Mel not, by their vote that night, compel elinisters to
the adepteon of the 'immure that he proposed, there was no chance
of a redaction of tomtit* takifig place before the year 11128.
Lord MILTON epee amidst a general cry of " Questioa," and
observed, filet he should rote for the motion of the lion. Members
because lie thetteht it the only mode of driving Ministers to a re-
duction of taxation. it might be said, that in voting for there-
duction of the Ammo! Taxes, they were benefiting themselves,
and neglecting the interests of the pone • who ought to have the
duties on emit and eandles repealed, whilit were articles of such
necessary consumption for th rn. Itut, nevertheless, be thought
the measure of the 'lion Member would goa long way in driving
Minister* to a reductiim of taxation, And therefore he should vote
for the motion._ -

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The Ihnise then Bh/hied, when there appeared_
For .Me. Moberly's motion - - 78
Against it - 171
51kiority against the motion .
COUNTY COURTS BHA.

On our re.almission Into the gallery, we found the House in a
Committee on the further consideration of the Report of the County
Courts Bin ; and Mr. SCAR!. ETT was observing, that he would
not consent to give a number of places of 800/. a-year to the pa-
nonage of the Chancellor, which would be the cue by the opera-
tion of the present BM.
The clause which 3lr. Searlett objected to was, after a few words
from Lord A t.v n oft r, agreed to
On the clause bong read, foe allowing Attorneys to act as Ad-
vocates,
The ATTORN EV-GENERA L moved as an amendment, that
neither Barristers nor Attorneys should be allowed to act as Advo-
cates In any of theme Courts.
After a few words front the SOLICITOR-GENERAL Lord AL.
THORP, Mr. Scutt-rex, and Mr. PEEL, the amendment was
agreed to.
Several clauses were theft agreed to, and upon that of compels's-
tion being proposed,
The A TTO RNEY -G ENE RA I. proposed that the Chairman
should report progress, and ask leave to sit again.
Mr. BROIfOIIAM cordially seconded the motion.
Mr. SCA R LETT hoped that the officers of the County Palatine
of Lancaster would he altogether exempted from the operation of
the Bill. lie intended to move an amendment to that !Teen..

The report was then ordered to be taken into consideration on
Monday next.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at HALE-PACT ONE O'CLOCK.

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