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(ATLAS ON COURTS-MARTIAL.

Lord Coe nit 11., r, 111 pursuance of his nottre, rose tamers
for rupees of the oath, ulatinistried to th. Court, the Judge.
Advocate, and the grammes oa courts-martial. He bad, ie.!
) !hi. view, Oa reference to cheenotatices which bad lately
) takes. plare, bet, from having idle. been on merle-martial,
he bad observed .4 gmat variety is the interpretation of the ,
oath., stitch he, therefore, thought it incur:Vein on the '
Legislator, to replete nod define. The Noble Lard then
at ited sir.val p ' is in which lie ihnnefit the oaths deficient,
Of ii:thte to V3floilit COOPOttliftl.NOl, 1134 •i• proceeding to tali.
madvert on some hues, goeted by Mr. Steven., last night,
from " 'Me Las of the iAllit Miumrri," whew called Word... Icy
The SPE 1 ara, who stated, that any ear:lmmo to .apses-
'ions toyed is • debate, nom lie taken at the hex of that
dehate--.if they *ere allotted to afterward., it was do-
orderly, mh.d sot to be allowed
Lord C . times mai 1, he would &hats 0 l',..in en.-
eidevieg the lows, with re•ereriec to the Learned Geothonao
Mr. Sterne) hot would read them It. from himself, sod
oder an °heel votive open them
The CitaitCaLLoa of the FAcilEgt, lit wa..orry actin
a iisterrept the Noble Lord, but rub sure he could not be
allowed to astrudece what was imeasisteat with their orders,
by an) faliacious aerangement.
The S AAAA *At " There is so Rustier% bet the rules of
this House must be asifota.atiattg otter& •
Lord Cocoas ire hot brine permitted to enlarge epos
this pout, c..achoted ba• mowing for Cope.. of the Oaths
administered to the Nlembers of Courts Martial, Jai*
Adiyeate, and Witnesses
Sir F. etrincir seconded the motion
Mr. Cam' es had a., ohleetion to the soda% bet use an
simple and couclosive, that he thought it impossoble to he
resisted. The oaths admiuditered to the Members of Courts
and to the Jedge Advo:ate, were already tie their table,
being coutained in the &attn. Book, as the Act of ,hid
Geo. II With mspect to the oath to evideriee, it was emanate-
ed in the Naval Code of seen...times, aarl there were go
grossed, laid for its prederties here.
The SraallTlL said, that what wee already before the
Morse, c.,mid slot again be moved for. The other pallet we.
is the power of Ilse Noble Lord, who might amend his els-
Isas, so as to embrace the prodoetion ..f the oath adaainntered
to ea ideaces enalv.—He therefore proposed to stgi...e out the
two already so the *tomtit Book
Lord COCSRA MS acquiesced ie skis ; and sod be would
tate statism day to move f... t •e &macadamise id' these wadi..
Mr. R. W•ito agreed that she wee admieremal is
eritbeares ohs fae3), sad nua'..l ose.t the ..tics, ad the Nobe

The Caavicet.t.oa of the Escuequea noticed, that
though the Host. Baronct ultjected Ft forma, he had yet re-
cownw•ntkd the saute prinetple. Tht. 'hewed that these
kinds of C0U10111113.11 Wel'e perfectly puttildless.
After AM obeervalitm iron• Lord FOLKSTON e, the
amended question was put and tarred.
Sir J. St. to obtained Irate tulkiue fe Bills to Imes&
tie lass rospaetiag 14r:trays and petrel.. roots—to explain
the duties of those showy property bordered on road% Ste.
sa.to Haile fences, baddiogs, ate.-..Atad to recutate the sosw
her of passingm ou the outside ofatage awl other cut.rhes.
the the amotios of Lord Mita Oh a new owl wont tottered
to be twined for the borough of Hiehutood, is 1114 ream of the
Hsu. C. L. Dundee, deceased.

EXCLVSION OF STRANGERS. •
Mr. SHEM.II,I4, in collo-qui:ewe of what had
lately passed, rose-to submit this important matter
to the cutiorderation of the 'louse. It was egret de
ou all hands, that. this soma question of much hole
porta:lce; and by seine it was thought to he our of
great difficulty rod delicacy. lie perleetly cola*
cidoot iii the former opinion ; but, for the latter, he
cone red he need only occupy their at!entio s for a
very short time, in order to drew that it was on.
fouaded. It would not be necessary for him to en.
ter into declamation or argument, bat to make a .
plain state:neit of the case, which, if it did not
come borne to the breast of every Him. Getaleur ins
nothintLt. could say ur urge could nave any elf•mt
upon In doing this, he would abstain bona
every thing that had the appearaoce of party. This
was no party-question, but one which deeply M.
volved the honour of the House, seed' the deur. 4.!
est interests of the people. They were slow
crone to that crisir, when they ought to take
especial care to merit and secure the couli.le ;co
of the country; and I.e could not r one. ',ye fi out
what view it was (though he could riot doubt,
that, in his own mind, it was a very prooer
one) that the lionoorable Gentleman (Mr. Yoike)
had thought this s proper time to enforce what was
vk3 ovistakenfy culled • Lauding Order. It hod
not been enforced durisig that uro.iit- delicate int. s-
tigation of last sessiori, when the veil was ilt.wir
hum tl.e frailties of greatness, in pwrote Vl'. and
the whole was exposed to public vets.../[leer !
/sear !).-.lt wi.s then thought be to lure the r qv-
ceelnip open, and he could noo uol goer. at
the motives which could induce any one to isi-lt
their doors to be closed—(Hear! erne 1,1..-Seeh
did not appear to be the whits of the parties cc- -
cooed ; ',either of the Ex-Secrets-4. s ot State de-
• sired it ; sod 'the ladle Lord thonght to he most
interested (Cesilereagli). had espw,sed his aware
to have the Inquirj e,s,dtseted to the 1110,1 tswolic
manner. He was, therefore. very desirous of know.
' iu ; whit masons could influersce any 11.41. Gentler.
mss, at this pepliiiis ems, vi 'hen the public satiety i
was su fattkagly ..Lee to every circuinstarsce, to
1 wish. ato It were, thus severely to correct their earl.
i wily. It was midi, that the miatakes of News-
: papeos rendered this Recess:ay; hat did experretice
justify this at/Ticino t Examine them mei ciutely,and
1: would be (hood that, porticularly i r. evidence, they
were never influenced by party or other tuotivre, ter
i give al•ereil, partial, or garbled reports. Eves
: were an editor to give d.r. ctions to unit effect. is
arty of ti:e Gentlemen etstoloycl by them, hawse
convinced, that not one of theist *outt offlopfy
with the demise. It wes ale, colibuidell. that the.
peo.lie stook! have the eri•;ence better (rota their
mottoes; but this he denied. N'twild rte people,
who !teed Riot scree' to these ruinotes, eridame to he
kept in this stwe of Jar knr,a —Jfrtr., Hear !J....
The Hon. Ow !emu) (Mr. York •).,paid. the N-vres
papers were 4L14.0:11e to copy their mingles, and tit
publish them. Hutto these mina's.., all ion-Apra.
tory debates, introdoced dating the tourtniowsoos.
were *oppressed. He would give one enstanee, to
shew to what 40 extent this stimirt ssi in wept, and
bow ignorant of the most important of rseir pro.
ceerling. the public wool': he, even &lee they
hid perused all th-ir milpites. in the comae .it
the examination en the last u-ght of their me,tiag,
it wsik asserted by a Rigid Hon. Gentlemm, that
a Privy Councillor could out be tilled no to as.
*wet questions pot to bon, stalest pertnitted bv Hm
Nl•jesty. To titis an lion. and Leers...4l Ft ie rid
of late objected, and insisted, 'kit there ass us
provident for such a peroreknow being riccessorr,
and that to ask it was utterly subversive of the
constitutiou. filter! hear 1-i-To this the Hight
Honourable Gentlemen threw .to-n the rammer.
wed 'here a quest...is, which iatoieed the whole
iaquioto.isl power of the llJtve of l:onlinons
rested. From this it .p ',seed, that lilepist rs
tniAlit co.tonit env act ; issitinge i•ta Pie ere! ste-
tulion, nod destroy the powers of the 11,ww,
without the public's knowing any shies of the mat-
ter frairo their minute*. But ir..s t not weeper
that the people should know th. se ard!c•ii, Lind
alto aupp...ted Monsters in silos pay.......tionap—
(lies, ! hear .9 He seas eotunnettl, ho lever, iu
he h.d before rcpt.. wi-vi himself, that the Hon
Gentle•naii had eidereed this Ord, r froan the hes: o
motive& stud not limas the sillgeestron of 11, ma
ie.ar'. Must r.. • ISOM hr acoertied of baling an:
desire to 4111:10 I.: the pahl,.. Th-y. as eel' a
others. room a., joie. angst 0,4 of sue') silo' Ifni:P.4l
awe, and as such • crisis. muitt ve,ll the proceed
tugs of the House to he 1.14 before the p•iirtic, froi
day to day, by those who might well be trilsit
witn the task--•he nesr.papvts. This was the tt,
moral asst,, and it ssi preposterous the! an itiolii
dual shouid have it in hi• river to thwa:t the II le
soil disippoint the politic. lie h.A men to con
der what a Stan ling Order was. It was ant, as
preserve.'' e foodaro-ntal part of the:r Consti'
lion; • Sts Parliarsexterii—each me excloi
alien. rod mittens frost Sittiris is the Winn
It was a matter elf ronselmence, and two
hr objected to, which the webers could not. It
ant their such as Order as the Flowsurssite vies
ma i ispisnsed : it wei nut is•Sis:siiiiig Order,
area were it enfacei, st would defeat the objet

had it view. The Right Ron. Gerattitto Oita
Teed the Order which directs the Serjeaut tit Arms
to take all strangers into costotki whom he may
see or be informed are short use House or its me-
llow* sod to hold them is custody till the lilt -ware
of the Hot se be had upon them.. It was nut, then,
Order to 4..0.!.111.114 Min mgri to with-
draw. Here were Intrude's in fart got 111, and
they must not meal* punisionent—( largh.)—
The who, like hi. preileeessors. adopted
the leas se,rte mud , 1...1 eo state right to-warn
them to make their . 'cape than to rescue them from
clititody—(4/ laugh)—Vut if one Stanching Order
lethal obrioltte kiftd was enforced, why not enforre
%bettisll? finmodiately below was one firbiddasig
ail prolog in Wes, hamster Hari end its wristlet;
another arpointing tali House to inert evtry
Droning at tea o'clock). Tins might. if the
Honourable Gentlemen was an early riser. lie very
agreeable to him, hat mantel not be so pleasant to
all the Members of the House. (A fettcrh.)—
Another of dame Orders nirected all their lirils. gr.
to be read. pale:rip!) by pararaph, which, were it
elniplieil with, it an the increase of business, would
• utterly put an • nil to their proceedings. They bad.
therefore, ado teed the custom of readine short.
and he enuld say, either let us shirts by all our
Orders. or let as hive woe enforced, which custom
and usage have Amite to be generally unneeesbarrs
sad whichhate on that account been practically
dispensed with. (Hear ! hear!) One of the after
Orders was, that .• Members were. not to bring
otraugers into the gallery while the House was
oiumg." This virtsally repealed the former. by
achniseleding the', •tt other tam, s, sate whet) the
Houle- was sitt.ng. Members might bring strangers
IMO the ~ 'wry. l'ersons in the gallery were treat-
ed at. ra ible, but they were not like thme admitted
into up. n Coirts,of Justice. They could only be
Considered as being there introduced by Member.,
who were answeiable fur the decorum and good
behaviour of their friends. Could they reconcile
or inese sense of these two Orders; the one for
this ani to is to sit strangle.. iota custody. and
the other to p. remit Members, except. at a cert
ttane, to ant:min, e orient ? Those wbu were e.tatf-
ells sosght take awrautagO of any of those dent
letter., to olostru-t public business ; bat it was rt.-
d• tit the 'icrj, ant at Arias could net take 300 ;..•
-
pie into custody, e itbout rinsing the posse es/Adak.;
and win,. he wrist to do thus, 14, could not 'ken.
the offenders together, but be lockno; thorn in the
gallery, where the sole .object fur 5e1a.11,7 them
would i.e defeated, by their hearing the hale of
their clehates. /A lough). lle hid sus to state
what. re.uedy might be appitd to these in-
conveniences. He would leave it in the hands
of eirmy Member, to mows for the withdrawal
of strangers, whenever it appeared twat fur
theist to he permitted to hear the ilebotc.—
a tip it s'A, 1..1600, too Movi.r shnaid assign the
grounds en which he object: rid to their presence,
which she Ilium alsould divest.* ; and. ono dectsitia
of Vie.r V thafity or I utility. strangers *retold be kept
out, or be allowed to return to the gallery. I On
these grounds, that the Hansa inikbelipallerve.
•wiitit. he 0..n5 convine.d, they were delirg lining,
the conlidetieeof the people, and that
sou might pot be espuscO. while ll•s
Mikeisitril acre CXCUR..I, tic oUI.I More, ..Thet
bat, Order be rsterred to a Committee of Pribas
lege% to me t iuthr tiiteakeest-naother, to-morrow,
s thereof."
Laid STA L 101 f swecldc.l thr

1111.. Pitman.sit a 4rerd. with toe Hon.
Geotlernart, Itre this was a question of great im-
persuce. and thf•re the agreetti.mi between them
ended. That the Right Han. Gentleman consi-
dered it as laspit invierleUt appeared from this, that
the House it ol not en;oyed h's pre-epie on de-
bating tibiae very ;mom-tsar questions,* iirreSt na-
tional Lalutes, perils, mint dirficidned, velfleit had
occupsed their aitenttoo ; hot. Mt teils'oc-
e ammo. lie caste down ammig them to exert his
power and use his influence. The Right Ho"-
Geutleinan wa, always chatiogitiahed as ate tole°.
Cate. not for toe liberty of the press, for to that
he (Mr. W.) who so much differed from Inns. was
as ardent a t end as arty one but for the New.-
writer., who. dining • the fast JO years, had intro-
duced acid m itsreS alayktets. contrary to the Con-
stitution of the contort.. In the view wairh he took
of the wiper. tftr 11..,;1it Hon. Gentleman had
narrowed it iseyouil all coneeptio.). and coitsised
Liaised) solely to mu emmeratton of Standing Or-
ders. and a thre.tt to ettoree them, if his opinions
were not adaeted. sytivt be ahr-rreti, matt trim
was tarert, and Rat As for the als•tartlity
Of these thders, they had been acted tidier for
many yews. until very lately. and ISO iticOlivel,lenee
had ever been found to resuit front theta—(Near!/
There %as, besides, a fundamental error in all the
*Numerals on this enhject. when it was taken for
granted. that it was part rit the Conentsition to ad-
lust and limit those so aritu.timl were af-
terwards at It'wriy to Ka account of their
inseersqllo. Ile *mild not. h,wever. enter into
this des...atm:4 nut a.k, whether the people had
gained in freedom. in happiness. or in the good
lidministration of the government. since these pew-
'hem were allowed took his stand for former
times, and eoulil see uri 'vivant:ages from the present
system. When they taw daily .hares a.4:iitist Go.
Vensinent azinnst the Home. and the present
times comp-ited to the plat.. fur the purpose of pro-
meting the views of refn•in.r.i. it would br well to
inquire whethe: th:a pearlier was giu.d o: evil At
iitsy rate, these very. 011/IrZern anti Coltipall..tee proved,
that, to the opio 0,1 id these reformer,. they were
Letter Isef.,re the practice crept in. /Mae/ hear !,
The'd I.ly publications teemed with, coiiiturnts oil
them. coll-ctivelv and individually, which were
most Maul mg. he did sot wish its.. realile to he
ignorant flatlet wit.. done by their Repren ittatives:
bat the dillormre between a itioneirrniie ais.l repre-
sentative line.rtitnent was 'lli.. Ilia! rt the latter
they had th: pros i•ege of judAirtz, and had a coo-
Gdence reposeJ iu them by the people. Some
Gentlemen might say, that a democracy was pre-
C-roble. hest this R:.6 a rpies'ion of another stamp,
o'nf weld tot 'or poitit such as they were now alai...
but a -mous di.cw real wpm+ the comparative merits
of dilfrrra Curses of Gavernment. 'fhe custom
sow attirocat. tool "itch short duratto,•
th -t. in the Inn.- of Dr. Jol.nstri. dcbltrt were mitt
pia t.lgshr.l as non. Ina 4. i•nniavalice. and owlet
brutiout names. ili.l they gain
loy the Outage To y were imiaBlit 'tearer to dee

ineeraty. ne was ler tite old Condilotion. Ind
would not epee that the London press was to he
toe privileged organ of tornuturocating their pros
ceedings to the public tor that persons should make
a trade of it ; take the r seat in the gallery,
and send out the debates iii their way.. anti with
their comments. He would never allow of this
innovation—They had better become a democracy,
and, as at Athens, address the people at once, tha4
through this mediae.—(lfear ! Ater !)—lt was
impossible to admit of this strainer, and he was
surprised that anyone should be hardy enough to
contend for it. Were they sure the medium to
which they woulri trust was pure He had heard
of newspapers set up by Bahltrupts, and men of
woken fortunes; he had heard of their being
butight by Government, or devoted to opposition.
There were two parties in these bargains, and what
was bought must also be sold. He could not then
wish this press to be established over Parliament ;
(hear.') to be the only vehicle by which their Con-
stituents knew of their proceedings. These papers
were anonymous, and their rulers unknown. The
Standing Order was. though not directed against
these, directed against similar abuses, not in any
way se greater dangerous as those they were now
threatened with front winking at this system. It
was for there reasons that he did not like to part
with Standing Orders, an run to rust, Rout want of
use, that they were found scarcely sufficient to pro-
tect the House against inroad.—They were on
their last legs, and threatened by that very wor-
shipful. but nut very ancient corporation (the
Newspaper Body) that the character of every
Member to his Constituents was in their power.—
These Gentlemen had their favourites; and what
they had heard from the Hight Honourable Gen-
tleman, (Mr. Sheridan), ti.night, *mein be con-
sidered as a geoeral reteitain,4 fee to the whole
body. That Right Honsiagabl.• Gentleman, by
his talents and abiliticisSli .'ntitle.: in he their
patron, but at prevent 7th MI" :ti . A more iu the
al of a Clieut.—ln theliee e trus!ed a
sense of their owa shame wriula oadi • 'hem to
discard this shau. • ul I • ..mailed
hiumelf of the more,: on I:or t . ‘lte his
stead. and call upon theta io a ; :heir righ..„
ea they would shut up a ga.e a ‘•.-iit the privi-
lege of foot-path. Li his optii ..:. be better
were no reports of tb.-4 'nee..:nerd at oil
io the Daily Pa;.• a. They (me Newspapers)
Lad began like the O. P... ; they nsserierl rights,
motif the wr rc graittcd. they woolen come by-and-
by and have dlr.,' at their tr.% n pnee. It ass ne-
cessary, from ettstt.o., for the piddle to have podia-
totntary riebee. to r a.t every day at breakfast ;
and they sou 1.1 sty, s. We are the oublic, and if
YO.l do tint yteid ' we will get yonl;Rra..e.l by the
eriforcerneut of olee:ete and int unveriient Orders."
It was because sin hi claims were urged that he was
6ottdl; to all motions which hail the
..fret of Isreakrog down the Cuirtoni on which they
were (muscled. Tlie character of the House war an-
other plea. fled the House, Limt, no character tilt
eithin the last rind% years, when this practice was
first cuonived at The Speaker's ears ought to be
a..ncke.l, even by a debate of this sort, winch could
never before, in any sit nation of the House or coun-
try, have been ventured to he introduced. The very
esortence of such a hate priced the necessity for his
ar4uwent, and the line would now he hrid down.
that what was to:erated and connived at. neither
was. nor would be, allowed, to grow into a right.
hostile to the Constitution of the House and
Country.
Lord FOLNITOII s agreed that no member should
be influenced in his conduct by the misrepresenta-
tion of the public area. A companions had been
instituted between the country as it was row, and its
it was some thirty or forty years ago ; for his part.
he did not hesitate to prefer the state of the coun-
try and the Constitution. as it existed then. to its
preseet Matt ; and lie would submit whether its
prevent inferiority was tieing to the press. or to
other circurnstenees (Hear! He would
submit, whether the weight of taxer--whether the
accittaulatern of ,lauding armies—tire erection of
barracks, rind such like proceedings, did not work
that inferiority, and not the ?wets: (Hear.) He thought
that the greatest adttntages were derived front the
publicity of their proceedings. lb- reprehenued, in
very strong terms. the nature of the iregmtnents ad-
duced yesterday. upon both sides of the Hoin..",
which, herald, were marked by party feeling. dts-
graceful to the House. It was only within these
few years that they were in the habit of arguing in
that was. When he (leant men of abilities, on both
sides of the House, arguing iii this minor's., lie re-
gretted it ; when he heard them repro while; others,
because they were not party men, he hail not only
reason to apprehend that the Coustitution was
altered. but that the state of feeling in the House
was other than it ought to be. There was, he
thought, au impropriety in adhering rigidly to rtile.,
under all circuinstavers. The Right lion. (tent.
had said that the idea of representation implied
the idea of confidence ; the idea of representation,
be admitted. del so ; but there were roomy is the
country, who denied that the lions,. possessed that
tnnfidesice, or that it was such a reprioentation of
the people, as was entitled to such confidence ; hut
whether this was the ease or not, it was surely nu
way of platoons's; that c emti•lence, to shut out the
public from their protteetling %Vl:ether the
[louse did actually deserve it or tint, it wait not for
hint to pronounce, hut it was oectoisary that it
should proses% it, pitniculinlv at the pre.eut mo-
ment, and that no +cep 'Mould be taken. of a ten-
dency to ol!s.ruct 'Lyra it. He dill not go
into the con.i.leraliou, whether inconvenience
or did not I t from the practice of the lion.w, in
relaxing the Standing Order; and as this mount,
nely went to io.tititti• s consideration of that sub-
ject, it •,,orl,l have his sispoort.
Mr. Wt v art A 14 et plissued.
Mr. Vomit, protested against the opinion that lie
was under any 'ie....1011y to glee his reasons % hen he
inavertfor the enforcement of • Stunclin:. Order.—
He had no ohicrttoti, howeier, to state (thoiteli lie
dented that he was owlet any obligation to do SU)
What was the gr.Stad upon wl.trb lie proceeded wit
the preempt occasion. lie bail moved the Standing
Ordfr. because he thought it a matter of public
dory, to prevent mitrepreatoor•ions from going
abroad. lie was led In apprehend such mistepre-
sentatioes, from what h... 1 passed daring the 11.4
investigation at the liar of that lions,. There
was also aninalogy between the proceedings of the

noose upon wen occasions and Om, e or a Grail
Jury. The public was not ad•ni'te.l to attend
at the Grand Juries► or her any Atilt. prelirnina►y,
evidence aritinced there t so ni:on t`►e grou,id,
of analogy, he was justified in the sty► he had taken.
The ordinary mistakes of the persons supposed to
take mars, and to pulniali thr%n, upon the spur of
the oreasicm, were c..lculated to produce infinite
mischief. It might be sill, why did lie not see this
consequence before, and endeavour to pretent it?
In a late. case, he could state, that lie did then, as
well es now. feel the propriety of it; and lie de-
clared. before Cod and Iris country, that ►f he knew
the nature of that case, he would certsioly'hate in-
sisted or► the enforcement of the Order.—(4 inzigh.)
But he did not feel that he was under nay neve,e.ty
for entering into such explanlitioll-, except to Ins
constituents. As to the Stentbrig Order itself, he
confessed that he was at a loss to know upon what
ground the light Hen. Gentleman could oppose
it, bring one of their most
It was a principle founded upon the uri;;i•:al Con-
atitutam of that House, that no stranger bad
right to interfere in any monster with their debates.
—(llear ! bear Order itself stood upon
long custt.iiii, and• he thought it would be wrong
to rescind or alter it. If, in c•rcnplianee with the
recommendation of the Noble Lord, thy were up-
on all occasion* to adapt themselves to the popular
voice, they would be driven Irons one privilege to
another, until all was lON%

Lord FOLIESTOIE, to es:planation, said, that he
hail recommended prerhy.ly the coatrary.
somewhat sarpr...l to lictr the bight Hon. Gen!.
nutlemilue popular impressions, as he reinem!)errd
oce. slot' upon which he warned him (Lord
Folkpti.tie) ageing it;ain-t them.

,
Mr. YORKE dui not remember what the Nu!)le
Lord alluded to.

L-rd Fol.Kstoxit begged !rare to remind the
Right lion. Gentleman, that a few years ago, when
high in office, he had thrritmted himself and a lee
with whom he acted, with tile cow.ivirlices of oi.-
popularity, for their conduct upon the peace of
Awien+.—( Hear I hear .11

.
Mr. YORKE declared that ha lii not recollect the
circaneganee to %thick the Noble Lord alluded.

ill r. TIERNIT agreed with the Right lion. Gen-
tleman who spoke last, that nothing could be more
adeantat4,ol,s to the country than the pre►ervation
of the p:ivilegcs 4. The Ilou•e, and if there was
any thing ill the motion which went against that
print ip:c. be should tar one of the lirst to resist it.
The motion, Lovicver, could have no such effect;
it only praposeil that a Committee should be ap-
pointed upon the eubject, without proposing any
line for its admiCon. Allowing to (bra Order all the
%suet on that age. could confer upon it, they must
also allow that there were inconycni,ncies as
well its advantages attached to age, and that orders
might, after a long standim;,-, become inconveineeit.
(Near I hear !)—He would not go the length of
say ing, that the Order to which the motion referred
was inconvenient, but re his Right Hon. Friend
had given the subject a wore attentive considers
lion, he might possibly here such arguments to
produce as would lead to that opinion. All that he
wished to be understood cc voting for was a Coin-
mittee of Privileges. A comparison had beta in-
stituted between their proceedings and the proceed-
ings of a Grand Jury, but sure:) there was no ana-
logy. Their proceedings were printed. When welt
those of Grand Juries printed? But there was en
objection, which he coufesssed struck him, to the
eoforeeinent of the Standing Order at present;
it was, that the occasion upon which it was
thought proper to enforce it, was an occasion
of inquiry—Wear ! Ater! hear wsa not the
custom to exclude strangers upon such subjects ; it
was not done during the military inquiry at the time
of the American war. He would ask, what inconte-
titeuce could occur front printing all that bad oc-
cur►ed in the course of last night ? If misrepre-
sentations wc•e made, it was in their power to no.
t:ce them in another manner than that of excluding
strangers. It was in the power of that House to
event the publication of their proceedings.without
r. -orting to that harsh extremity of excursion. Eveu
a'. the time when the debates were published un-
der Boman names, the gallery was open. lie could
conceive but very few occasions in which any danger
cun:d result to the public, from admitting them to
the gallery, and lie would lament that day tu which
it was co''sidcnl necessary, on all subjects of ins-
pn►tance, to exclude strangers, tend court secrecy.
lie would allow that, f. oat the manner in which Cie
reports were give'', indeed uumoidably given,
some inconvenience might result. He knew, in low
own case, that ►enti,nrnts heal been attributed to
him, which lie never professed or maintained; but he
ac•gnitted the reporters of soy intentional niisrepor-
scntation ; he believed the fact to ls:•, that the de-
bates were of late extended to so great a length,
best it eras impossible to give accurately all that the,
mph ed. Tile rei otters, he was cosivini ed,
guise them as fairly us the y could. and that for the
iery hest reason, because it was their interest to do
so—lit cause the best way of establishing and sot -•
pm fog a •ale was to recommend tliettistrives no faith.
fist commit iee:ints of what had netually taken place.
It rer,aial• was 11;s wish, as far ashe could influeuce
those connected with papers, that they should Its hest
alone r.(.4 fasigh.) But still the puli:ic had,
he would lint say a right, but an usage, who li
!soared somewhat in the shape of • right, to be made
arrpsaiiited with their 'proceedings. It was lieteeti
upon all hands that the state of the country wt s
worse than in former limes: what, then, was the
advamage which the pashe gained by this tufurin-
a tiou ? Only teittlar accounts of the means try
which it was RICIWIIIg wane. (.4 i;1t.)4.) And did
they think that too great son indulgence ? Was it
too much, when ten per cent, was taken out of
every nun's property, to let him know upon what
grounds it was demanded, and what were the cir.
eimottances 'het accounted for and justified it?
Would they deprive them of that little history,
mid shut them ,alt from the knowledge of every
thong that posted in that House, except by its ef-
fect. upon their purses and their privileges ? (Hear!)
What effects would grow out of the Committee,
he did Lot kilo. ; lost he thought that it should
et nt,i,,,inted. it was not his wish that they should
part wi.lt the power of cleaving strangers from
the gallery at any moment ; but he thought
some triode might be mrtick out, which would
protect them a aiust inconveniences, such as
they expereeced at the present moment.—

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the uslge, I.oh.ithAttimMolg which to lelt
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