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,siever may b• demo of this proposal of Majesty's cons.
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their med loyalty—upon their assoktnent. Is the bat todlill.
lotion of the country ; but whilst he folit SO alarm Mew day=
beididos of their hostility, he felt blather able the is
to appeal to the justice of the Hooaa...i• their &asp as me,for the relief of their Catholic trymen -from their
- unnatural boodage.. (Cheers.) He • ban to cams, his
fellins
woe concurrence in the sentiments flonearahle mem.
her foe Galway, who had laboured to walla the Catholic
bar not to entrust him with their petitions. So should lament
if he could not induce them again to place it in the hands of that
Seamed G-entleman, the worthy successor of the immortal advocate
whose ousnirplis addeorvidly dear to every Irishman, and who
t Aii, inipipirewllthed that cause, the devoted object of Ids life,
toot tit Math •V,ldoo. suable to do it justice—tn that
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art ors Albs ellAszbich might be sill opposed to it. •
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powerful aid it would derive from
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his ability—ke cost his thsampty and sad; and he would
he the mai . Ids ism In fib support. as he
felt toovineutifils . • IRMA hod bees wind tin this
occasion ken mop IWO* iiittiliaosig: Waited
when he would 'le able tiHon.
Gewgaws ked add, that it be ptholoted—K.pedtion--Tir would.
sat walk owl the House and leave- Mm as be (Sir Francis) at
soother onsaion deserted him. He would not, after having tres-
passed so much upon the patience of the House, wish to dwell wee
what slated to himself, but he would again assure the Right HMI.
tientienian that uo efforts otitis should be wanting. The cause has
advanced—is advancing ; enough for him be it to say—.
Hic mural abeneus ester
The Bon. Baronet sat down amidst loud cheers from both side
of the Hone. i
Mr. Secretary CANNING than Mg, and addressed the Housa
to the following effect :—" Sir, efts ardente protracted so much
beyond the usual limits, and in which there has existed so consi.
derable a confusion—that confusion, I admit, having naturally
arisen from the length and complexity of the debate itself, I should
have been disinclined to trespass upon the attention of the House ;
but with a view to take the subject with strict reference to the ques-
tion before the House, it will be my business, -before I proceed
with my address, bearing in mind the speeches that have preceded
me, to endeavour to disentangle it from that confusion, end reduce
the parts to which attention loss been called, to their several and re.
&pectin magnitudes. The question strictly before us relates to the
mode in which we should deal with certain assemblies in Ireland,
the nature and character of which were described in the King's
Speech ; in answer to which this House pledged itself, to do no
specific thing certainly, but to consider the means proper to meet
the evil thus directly brought under our notice. To this considera-
tion, however, there has been added, I will not say as not naturally
onnected with the subject, but assuredly by no means necessarily
a part of the discussion of these successive days and the decision of
this night, the whole of what is commonly called the Catholic Ques.
rim; and to all these there has been further added and brought for-
ward, in a very pronlittent manner, by the lion. Baronet (Sir F.
amdett), the question respecting the general conduct of the Admi-
nistration of which I font a part. As this is rather a question per.
sonny relating to myself, I feel a great unvilliugness to obtrude it
os the atten'ion of the House; but I think the House will admit the
necessity, though at a later period, that 1 should trespass upon its
indulgence with regard to that also. These additions divide the
subjett of debate into four parts : first, as to the immediate ques-
tion before the House, concerning the assemblies in Ireland;
secondly, with regard to the subject, as nearly connected with
the Catholic Question ; thirdly, respecting the conduct of
the Government; and fourthly, as relating to myself. With
respect to the existence of associations in Ireland, alien to the
spirit of the Constitution, and dangerous to the public peace,
Xiore has not been, so far as I have observed, throughout the
nurse of the deltas any attempt en the porno( any hlaaber
to apply a negative to the proposition. (Gear, hear, heir...)
The question the House has to decide is entirely practical : whether,
having received in the Speech from the Throne a description of an
evil to which that Speech calls for an effectual remedy, and having
pledged ourselves to consider what means should be applied as such
remedy, we shall now proceed, I do not say to adopt, for that is an
after question, but to receive for consideration, the means that are
suggested for that purpose? or, whether we should turn round and
sty to the Crown, ' We have, on deliberation, determined that
the Crown is deceived; that the description given in the !toys
Speech of the existing Associations, is, in all its parts, untrue
that, true it is that these Associations do exist, but that it is untrue
they are irreconcilable with the spirit of the Constitution ; that, true
it is that these Associations have extensive influence, but that it is
untrue they kindle, create, or exasperate animosities ; that, true it
3.t is that these Associations are in active operation, but that it
is untrue that they contribute in any degree to retard the
course of national imptovernent : the Crown, therefore, has been
misled by false advice, when it gave them this character, and
it is our duty to leave that part of the Speech without any
consequence, and by our refusal to interfere by our authority,
to confirm, sanction, and establish these Associations.' (Cheers.)
That is the practical question the House has to decide. As to the
consistency of these Associations with the spirit of the Constitution
with respect to some of them, not a word have I heard uttered front
the opposite side of the House to impeach the truth of the assertion.
With respect to the principal Association, is any further con-
sideration necessary to prove it than the character that unquestion-
ably belongs to it, according to its own representation--self-elected,
self-appointed, self-constituted, self-adourned, self-renewing, ac-
knowledging no equal, denying any superior authority (hear, hear),
levying money on the people (No, no, from the Opposition,
answered by loud cheers from the Ministerial Benches), interfering
laudably, as some say—improperly, as others think, with the ad.
ministration of justice—not prejudging, for that is not the fit word.
but condemning beforehand, the individuals whom it takes upon
itself to bring to justice ; in some cases in which they are found by
the courts to be guiltless, rejudging that judgment, and proscribing
those whom the law has set free and declared to be innocent. (Cheers.)
If that is the character of this Association, I am sure that before
heats be suffered to subsist, confirmed and sanctioned as it must be
after the consideration it has received in this debate, and on the
plea that it is inconsistent with the spirit of the Constitution, other
notions must have the ascendancy than have always hitherto pre- '
railed in this Assembly. (Cheers.) The next head I have to con.
side is, whether this Association tends to maintain and aggravate
the animosities that exist in that country ? As • proof of the
affirmative, I will not repeat the accusation,—to which, however,
I shall be compelled to advert,—which I was the first to mention in
this House, and which has been so often alluded to in the course of
the debate. I speak of that expression which is contained in an
Mhos emanating from the Catholic Association. It luta been said,
that it is unfair to take hold of a particular expression, and infer
Loin i: the general character of the production; and that, in this in.
stance, that it is what I have done. Why, good God .! Sir, I grant
that such a proceeding would be unfair in the last degree; but is
that what I have done? If this expression had dropped out in the
course of debate—if it had been struck out by the collision
,Ai argument—if it had been hastily issued, and, on coati_
o.ostion, retracted and disavowed—it would be unjustifiable to
.ik: advantage of the indiscretion ; but, if it is found that the,
expression occurs in • deliberate and considered document—if it
appcsrs by proceedings that have been made public to the wool:
that the obvious effect of the words was pointed out, and yet who
that deliberation the whole expression was retained unaltered;
surely we may consider an expression so used, and so retained, ese
showing the animus of those who, under these circumstance;
issued it to their countrymen. The Honourable Gentlemen oppli•
site have felt this, and they have endeavoured, but 1 think In,
'sm, to extricate the Association from the difficulty. Never did I
know them take so much pains to put a forced construction Ss
words to plain in their meaning as pen can write or eye can rod.
"Alectil We have been told by a Right Honourable
(Sir H. Parnell), the Member for one of the Counties 07"V=
that this expression had not the same force io the Irish lavegele
as in the English. (A laugh.) Of that I cannot profess to i=
and the assertion must be received by the llone grantunt t
I observe that almost every Gentleman who has spoken on tho
whet side, has endeavoured to give some specific explanation of dfidl