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Rives to Mr. Worelfertl direct 411 respect to that
given to Sir Welter James denies, I have lest the
honour of his acqnsintattee, but Mr. Woodford
said it was a young mail with whom he was particu-
larly acquainted ; 1 do not know whether a distant
relation of Sir Wisher James James, whom he wish-
ed to oblige; and that he was. perfectly toaster of
the Persian languiriest. and that nethiiig bitt India
would do for him. I wits very witch pressed for
the nomination, and had partly promised it to Mr.
Wrey, brother to Sir Buurehier Wrey ; Mr. IVrey
was in town about that time, and told me Ins son
was not of age for a year and a half to be able to go
to college, and in consequence of Mr. Wood-
ford's pressing me so earnestly for the nomi-
nation, I ceded to Inn,. It appears, that this
Mr. Fry ftlagniac is exactly the person ; that he is
perfectly master of the Persian language, mud was
mem 1111 l ended by the Librarian to the two Chairs
for further preferment, in preference to any other
person. With regard to the next noinination, I
believe it is given to Mr. Greenslade. Mr. Green-
slade wile my private Secretary, and had been a
person iii the East India Compan)'s service ; he
hail made some money, with which he intended to
retire, hut Mr. Cook, ;4 merchant who failed,
deprived him of past of his flintier, and he
wished to go Out to (turn a.ain ; he was about
etc'o or tett months too old, according to the
regulations of the India House. Mr. Wood-
ford told me, 'hat lit had. 'violating to Mr. Wind.
ham or his office,st nontimuitsti for Ceylon, that the
Goveruutent were not so strset with tegard to the
age as the India House, end that if I would give
him (Mr. Woodford) that Madras Writership, he
would give Mr. Greenslede hid Cet lots ; ha did
Woodford
Mr. Greeu.slade his Ceylon, and gave Mr.
Woodford toy Madras.
Which do vase auporiste to he the Writership to
which Mr. Donovan referred in his evidence
redly know nothing more than I have told the Co-
mmittee; I hunr had no cniumunicatioo whatever
with or from Mr. Woodford.
THE EARL or ct.MITEMITY.
In consequence of the extenniatiou of Mr. Red-
ing, in which your Lordship's name was mentioned
frequently, I sin desirous in the first place to know
when you became acipiansted with Mr. Reding?—
About the month of October. 1805.
Ott what occasion did von firs, become acquaint-
ed with that person ?—With respect to obtaining
• seat in Parliament.
Did yon see him frequently upon that occasion ?
—Three, four, or five times, more than twice cer-
tainly.
Did he hold out that he had the power of pro-
curing a seat iso Parliament ?—lle did : He refire-
setael that a friend of his in Parliament, a very
respectable luau, was desirous of retiring from Par-
liament, but wished to make that retiretnetit sub-
servient to the object of obtaining a situation for a
young wan, a relit:lye of his, either a son or a ae-
phew, to the best of my recollection, and stated.
that sic writership could he obtained for the petty,
he would .he wilting to retire. Ilene& no wish to
save any expense upon toy part, and having no
writership to dispose of, the negociatiou' at that
time closed.
Wes this negotiation renewed with Mr. Reding,
' us - what mouton :—.lt was : having men-
. circumstance to my friend, Lord Cu-
, and expressing great disappointment that
could not tuv otualued, he told toe that he
had a writership uudespeeed of, which, as far as he
himself was censerrued, he should be very happy
to one ant the reconsmendation to ; stating, at the
same time, the, necessity of the noel wiuute in-
quiry into the character of the party to be recoin-
mended ; after vatiottasinterviewa with Mr. Reding,
in order to obtain from hint the mime of use parte
who was to retire, as well se of the person to be
recommended, and not heiug able to obtain either,
the negotiation ultngether closed.
Did Mr. Reding. during any part of this nego-
ending', offer a bond to your Lordship ?—No.
Did lie sit say time offer money for this appoint-
ment ?-IVhen the negotiation hash clotted, as to
the Writership, lie asked me whether three thou-
sand guineas, laid on Ludy Clancarty's toilette,
would induce me to give him the Writership ?
which I very indignantly refused ; after which I
never saw him in my house mice, nor any where,
except meeting I ' accidentally at Lord Sligo's.
Did any thing pass between your Lordship
and Mr. Reding, at Lord Sligo's ; Lady
Clancarty, two or three days after I had thus dis-
missed Mr. Reding, received a letter, signed, I be-
lieve, Chttrlotte Johnston, offering her 3,0001. or
guineas, for her influence with me to procure a
IVritership, and appointing a shop in the Strand
to meet the party and receive the money ; this
letter was, of course, put into the fire, without
any notice being taken of it ; but the sum tally-
ing so exactly with that Mr. Reding had offered,
and coining so immediately after Reding
Reding's
proposal of the sonic nature, when I tact him at
Lord Sligo's, I desired him to take care not to
allow his friends to write any snore impertinent
letters to Lady Clancarty; and when he was gone
nut of the room, I apologized to Lord Sligo for
having made use of such language to a person iii
his house, and hiforroad hint of the reasons for my
so doing. Mr. Reding, however. denied hating
any thing to say to the latter.
Did he ever give you to understand at whose
disposal this Seat is Parliament was, which he
offered you ?—No, decor; it was upon that, that
the negoeaution went off.
Did Lord Cartloreagh oiler you this appoint-
taunt of • Wrinseehip for the purpose of facilitating
your being returned to Parliament, if thak could
be obtained/by this means ?-.Csrtaialy ; it being
shwa to be understood that the party was of suffi-
cient respectability lobe eligible for dm situation.
Did you communicate to Mr. Reding that you
had • Writesship at year disposal, winch you were
ready to give to his Mend, if the person wool-
ineuiled was perfectly eligible, provided the seat in
Parliament could be obtained ?—I certaissly gave
him to understand that I had ; tie that the thing
might be procured.
Did you ever dispose of any Writership ?—Never
lit my life.
Do yon recollect whether the mune of )firs.Grovo
was nientioned lit any part of this transaction by
Reding ?—r o. never.
I Did you ever hear form Reding the MDt el the

Marquis of Sligo mentioned as connected with ibis
transactiat ?—Never.
(Jr the Marquis of Bath ?—Never ; I believe no
Tune or shy sort las mentioned to me.
Do you know to whom this Writership, offered
to yourself, was afterwards givco by Lord Castle-
reagh ?-r-.1 have not the least knowledge.
LORD VileOt!lT cete..acestes.
How did your Lordship Liecoitie acquainted with
Mr. Reding believe it was in the latter end of
the year 1805, that I received a letter front Mr.
Reding, which some days afterwards I sent to Lord
Clam-arty ; I saw Mr. Reding uetween the receipt
of that letter aud the coitinini.ication of it to Lord
Clancarty, with t!.is exception. 1 never had any
knowledge whatever of, or intercourse with, Mr.
Reding.
What was the subject of Mr. Reding's letter to
your Lordship?--1 hail vaceted my seat on the ac-
ceptance of the Seals for the Colonial Depertnaeut ;
the object of Mr. Reding's letter was to say, that
he thought he hied the wave. of assisting me in
coming into Parliament, if 1 was not already pro-
vided with a seat.
Did any thing pass in your conversation with Mr.
Reding relatim; to a writenship i—Nothing what-
ever; I told Mr. Reding 1 dud not want* seat iu
Parliatnent for rays-If, -but that a friend of mine
did; I asked him to name the t4entletuait who pro-
posed to vacate; this he declined till the terms
were settled, with which having nothing to do,
inclosed his letter to Lord Clam:arty. and never
saw Mr. Rediag afterwards, or had any communi-
cation with 'him
Had you any conversation with Lord Clancarty,
as connected with this transaction of Mr. Itteling,
in which a Writership was offered to Lord Class-
carry's nomiuntion?-1 think. some time after I in-
closed Mr. Reding's letter to Lord Clancarty, Lord
Clancarty told me lie had a negocitition with Mt.
Reding, with a view to procure a Seat in Parlia-
ment, which he said had failed ; ittasmuch as the
proposition be had mule to Mr. Reding, which
was of a pecuniary escort, had been declined by
the person who was supposed to hive the halluence
to procure the Seat in Parliament.
What passed between your Lordship and Lord
Clancarty iu consequence of this?-1 should state,
ea preliminary to answering that question, that
nothing in point of fact ever arose out of the com-
munication I had with Lord Clancarty, by which
the disposal of any Writership Was effected, nor did
the nommation to any Writership take place in
consequence of that communication. With refer-
ence to the question itself having been put to me
by the Committee, 1 feel it my duty to Rive en
explicit answer to it ; that 1 was induced to
place a Wricership it Lord Claucarty's
and that certainly the impressios under which
I did it, was, that Lord Clancarty's coming
into Parliament night be thereby facilitated.
—1 seated, however, to Lord Clancarty, that I
did not feel that 1 could recommend any penal
for a Writership iu the East India Company's ser-
vice, who was not individually, and in point of
connexions, a proper object to receive a political
favour of such a nature from a Member of the

Government, and such a person in point of charac-
ter as the Court of Directors were entitled to ex-
pect to be placed in their service, in consequence
of soy uommation tile): had placed at my disposal,
on which point my decision must be reserved till I
knew who the party was that solicited the almond-
went.
Subject to those qUalifications. was it your Lord-
ship's inteariria to have placed this nomination at
Lent Cleric:arty% disposal, to be given in consider-
atiou for hit being returned to Parliament ?—1
conceived Lard Clancarty, cuhject to those quali-
fications, entitled to call upon me for the Writer-
ship if it could be of use to lnin, either for that
parpose.or any other that he was interested about,
and which hail no relation to a pecuniary traits-
ectioit. I must observe, hroaeyer. that my conver,
satiou with Lord Clancarcy arose out of a particular'
case stated, and, I behave, arm never acted upon
by him, otherwise than to ascertain whether that
case had any existence in point of fact. I certainly
did not conceive, in so placing a Writership at
Lord Chrocarty's disposal, that it could possibly
become the subject either of sale for money, or
general barter for a seat in Barliatnent.
Do you recollect to whom this writership was
given I think, some time afterwards, Lord Clan-
carty told Me that he had no wish to dispooe of the
writership, and that in consequence of that intima-
tion from him, it was disposed of to the young man
who was in my contemplation for this appointment,
if no cemannoication of the nature described.had
taken place between Lord Clancarty and myself;
and that, in point of fact, the name of the individual
appointed to that Writership will be found in the
list of the disposal of my patronage; bat I cannot
specify the name, as there were two or three appoiut-
meats of mine at that moment not filled up, and as
it never proceeded to the length of my doing any act
in furtherance of inch a purpose, or to my giving
any directioos to Mr. Mtrhwus, the Assistant Se-
cretary of the India Board, to carry such an ap-
pointment into effect, I cannot state the particular
Writership that would have been so tared if it had
led to any result ; but I tan state that any Writer-
ship I could have so used was, in point of feet,
filled up by a friend of my own, perfectly unconsect-
ed with the transactioo, and that his name stands,
in the list before tbe Committee, probably in the
appointments of the subsequent year.
Was the same of Mrs. Grove ever mentioned to
your Lordship in this transaction T.—Never ; I ne-
ver heard the name of Mrs. Grove in my life, till
it was mentioned to me is the House of C 0111101•01
few days since, connected with a story which I
bow to be &lee, and which imlneed use to com-
municate to the Chairman of the Committee the
story itself, anti to pat him in possession of all the
dames *hick occurred to sue. as best calculated to
detect the falsohatatasal to further the inquiries of.
the C'o tttttt ittee upon that subject.
Was the mimeo, Davis mentioned to your
ship in this transaction ?—I think it was on
'same night that I heard the above story iu
Douse of Commons that I found a letter me,
sable. when I returned home, from a emu of
same of Davis, stitinor that he had been sum
mid to give evidence Whom this Conintitted,
respect oat a Board °Astro! Writership. Vine'
was 1 to have been offered or actaalw
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general reluctance to be sailed upon to gilt
any evidence in which my mime was conceniell.
I num Jiteely wrote an answer to Mr. 13:Itch', to
esy, thet he could not do any service more grateful
to m 2, th t, attending the Committee, and glum;
them every astistanee iii his power in esevn..ug the
purposes of their inouitv, and in detecting the
falsehood to which his tester referred ; a .•1 I .rick
nti the following day I commuliicate.i Mr. Davis'.:
letter to the t....itairtnen' of the Cement:tee ; ltiad
no miter knowledge of M.. Davi-. our e.er ease .
him, and never heard of his natio., except in that
letter.
By the means of any other Iva- pia:- •
Lordship ever eieleavonred to Nein.: any o • • r •
person's etoni .g is to 11...tiasisent?.—; et.. 1.1 nn..
life; I ',ever Lad atiy cow onnic•aton .
tore; nor have 1 ever hal any iuterlevroee, cie• • ,
or indirect, in the di4vot.4l of any writerstupe c;;;.
thaw throe, a list of whi..ll is now belief tee coot- .•
'flitter, the appoiutineina to which wall ,;,edit nor
themselves.
REY. THOMAS LLOYD. 4
The following are the only point. in this Geutle-
man's evitlr.w e:—
Hare you never derived any advantage from the . -
apriottneut of n Cadet to India ?—I believe
r.. w hom was it given I—The sou of Admiral
Christie, about two yearvappo.
What did you receive for your part in that uego- • •
elation 1-1.501.
From whom did you receive it?—From the elder
Slier.
Do you know from whom he received it I—l sup- ii. 6011
pose from Christie.
Who gave you. that Cadetship to dispose ofi—
The Duke of Clarence; I asked it of him for a son
of Admiral Christie.
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Did Admiral Christie apply to you to procure
this appointment ?—No ; if he hag, I shard histac
used my endeavour to get it for him wieiout ex.
pense ; but he applied to Age.ut.
Who applied to you to procure it P-.. Slice.
WKS it 111 consequence of Slices appite..tiue that
you requested the Duke of Clarence to procures
tine appointment ?—Yes, it was.
Uo you not know to whom the Duke applied ?
—lndeed, I sin not positive ; I never beard him
locution the thing afterwards.
Did the Onkt ask you whether you were to de-
rive any advantage from it ?---No; the Duk4s,il
imagined that as Christie and I bad Wen
turestuateas at was to give to bins.
kave you bees frequently couceraed in matters
of this sort ?—No, tudeed.
Did you toecive a codetcy from Sit Lionel Do-
ren l—Yes, I did.
lu what year I—l cannot say ; I did not thiak
there was soy thiog wrong when i did it.
. To whom did you id' that 'oppose Mr.
Shoe.
Was Sir Lionel Duren's friend of your's ?—Yes;
my connexion with him was through the Uoke of • -
Clarence.
Did you employ Shoe in selling that *mobile
intent 1-1 suppose he applied to ate, I shoo
imagine.
What sum of money did coo receive for that
I suppose one alba nfty, or two hundred*
pounds, or somewhere thereabouts.
Did Sir Lionel Duel! know that you we
derive any advantage bens this ?-4 do not
he did.
Have you made no other application to the De
of Clarence for any appointment I—No.
Did the Duke, after he had given you ibis
detcy, ever ask you what you had doom with at
Never.
Do you think he would have been offended if be ;
thought yen received inimey for it I—lie would
um have asked for it if be thought I mama tad's.
pose of it, I am sure.
• Do yon think the Duke of Clarence keeps accu-
rate accounts of the St'riten.hips and Cadetshipsbe
applies for ?-1 cannot say as to that ; I do not be.
lieve be ever got a Wsitership in his life.
THE HOS. •A. C. MADMAN% -
Do you know t4iii'Mrs. Grove was in England,
in the spring of the year 1006 ?—Yes, she was.
Do you know where she lived or lodged dun
that time ? In Charles-street, whether at Mr. Dons-
van's, or opposite, I do not know, for she changed
from out to the other, but at what period I do not
recollect
War she, doling any part of that time, in the I.
house of Don 'van ?—Certainly.
!lave you belted her toy how she became acquaint.
eel st:th Mr. Damian I—l have not; I particular-
ly recollect remonstrating with her upon her ac-
quaintance with Mr. Donovan, from his character
at that time; she was certainly unacquainted with *'
his character when she came to ledge there.
Dovou know whether she wits acquainted with ,
Mr. }fedi ag F.—Certainly.
Did you ever see him lo her company 1--No,
never; the way I 'knew she was acquainted, as
having, its an executor, a house to aril in York- 1.
street, and she sent him to me, to purchase it
from me.
Do you know of any transactien whielb Mrs. e
Grove had with Mr. Donovan and Mr. Reding, or
either of them, relating to a writership/....A g
gentleman of the name of O'Hara, the -of
a brother-in-lew of mine, came over to this coon-
try, with a letter for me from his 'sock Colonel 46
Taylor, requesting that I would not let the young
mall get into troy scrape ; that his father seal very
anxious for him to go out to India, and that he bad
brought a letter from Mr.. Jefferiee time to Mr. - •
Dooovan, who was to procure hit o this writership is
when he came to me, he begged of me to get w i •
him to Mr. Donovan, which I declined, tellieg hilt
the chsracter which I had always heard of Mr. Do. ;••
novels, and that I would not wkh my name to be
concerned in tor trenseetion of that notate.
asked his the motley he had hrenght *kb trim;
and he told me 3.5001. ; that tie was ie. giro
toritel. for the evitteship ; bet his ballet said,
if there was any dilllctilty abort two or 'tbrie
bemired more, not to prevent his getting it': .
had his money is his orients box. 1 asked hi
who was his father's hanker • I for,int who it was, `.
but I went aid,* him to his father's hanker, and
made hint lodge his money there ; in a week sheet
vriteda. preelliety, *tame to we, and old toe that
• writership was procoresi, that hieetas to Ire at
via Keloseon the following Thursday, but
we his money from hie fathers banter

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