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enomsly redly consisted in rising the King's
moo preseet debate It this was not so, where
weir the liberties and independeoce of the country
t's ta•k sit debate, was all a deception It was quite
nniuts 41 to introduce expedin•sns in this way into
Hi: Majesty's Speech He was anxious far mitt
Parliamentary inquiry into them, but to discuss the
sobjea. without authentic documents, was nojust
When enquiry could he properly made, he was
confident that the result would prove favourable to
the late Ministers. It was monstrous to say, that it
Members thought the dissolution adopted at
an incnvenient time, they should be restrained front
expressing that opinion. The Noble Lord had no
right to complain on this head, for he had himself
intinoneed the discussion But the argument which
he had used was a mere arimmentune ,d humiliator He
assei ted, that to dissolve Patliamei,t is the prerogative
of to, Crown, and that the late Ministers did the
same in Oduber last. He. had said, that there was
no difference between taking from a man a lease at
one sttei, or a lease of four years. On this subjea
he should refer the Noble Lord to a speech of • No-
bre Secretary (Lord liawkesbury), at the opening
of the last Session, amply explaining all the iocoove-
niences resulting horn the di. 'elution Parlia-
ment of four years standing ; but he thinks none of
them a .ply to the dissolution ot a Plitlanrlll, of
only filar months. Bu: there were other distinc-
tions In Onober there was na irritation, no el.-
ot religt us strife. %Ve were asked, wsty
ament at such a moment ?To wh.t.h
he •
should aoswer, tor that very reason, because
the time wns 0.0,:ii:: s for collecting the tor
unelasse.' sense(); Tilere Was besides A
between sus ,lying a Parliament in
v qol a• 1 use ihr! !:e of Session Lord
S •VIS ha ,:iVe it alai ,:t p- nice opinion,
t•- • ne of a Path:mew, in th, n,t doe
of a Nessiiiir, was I:legal. At ail events, t:,at nothing
but a parair•mist heC:'.l•ty could justify it. fie
as. :led a N )bl.: Duke, a: t`: head Of the Mt-
n . ry, to tecoliect hi • •u 3 in 1;84, to can:rast t c
to; r r.,at ed, to the Speech
upon the present occasion, and he will find itb,t
t. . L 1... y j••tti.ts to •he present poicecu-
ii sea ch id not irtach t‘i the p:,.,;‘.-e,.!ir.g of
th di: toe Lordsoip the.. pr.,ce, de.s t read
Shia" passages Sr •tri • w irk of . bu•ke. ..•
L.IC Dissolution or Farii cUT ig a
y c r 1:11..: ; atter upoe
• n, •p saki, nJ zsecrt.ary
• :4; hit tarU ,t .0 us in t.:e .1. :se of Com-
m i,„ and !, it they oil not vote •t.
h • outdo, ti n :sick totheir;
a :Z A, h ti.at •1 env to n; 4111.5 t
his Lndst.ip's re-,:O IM that Hieve, it was thrh
• ositi gup a: the m tment soco i.nFroper an
unconchutional lamoiage. It had ben said, dot
frequent dissolution: increased d•e i ihseoce of
people, and were t seretore :n 14v. or of tors. ,o
see, th it the influence had increased, was in-
c7easm.7, endaeougnt to be diminished. lle had
u-s ojn oa t t t-semi P aria salvos, or an-
• Parlfameios but Cis! e was a great do-
ft. tette, between shout Pariiaineir by tie consti.u-
rno and at the pleas-ire of hlinisters. Tne disso-
lution in 17'54, was, however, less ohjettionabh:
than the present, upon another ground, we wire
not then at war ; it was a Lind of peace, and n..
attempt was made to distorh our interlial tranquil-
lity. And here his Lordship sal he mtrit observe
upon the language of the present Address, and
the Speech at the dissolution of Path:mem, as re-
plete with inconsistencit s Toe Speech at the dis
solution began with stating I:At no immovenience
would re-ul. from that meaoire ; but was it no is.-
convenience to apt'' v the puhlic money without an alp
prrspriation act ? The iileg-ility of so doing he shculd
not now argue. He should onle say, that if such thirigs
can be done, the praiflice ouiglit to be corrected.—
His Lordship then proceeded to assert, that the cry
of .4 No Popery," had been raised by Ministers, as
appeared 'torn the address of the Chancellof of the
Exchequer, • I other addresses, and the lan-
guage of the Public Journals devoted to the Mi-
nistry. He admitted that the cry bad no urea%
effect, but this he imputed to the good sense of the
pec.ple. The affectation of moderation reminded
him of a story of two Irishmen, who, being disap-
pointed in their expectation of a riot at a wake, pro-
, posed to accomplish their purpose by crying out.
"'Peace aed good humour." The cry of a the
\,._chttreh in danger," had been uniformly resorted to
sitits the Restoration, by those who sought to
in-
troduce arbitrary rwasisres, but the conduct of the
Bishops, a conduct w:iicn did theta great credit,
spewed they thsu lit there was no fuuadatioa for it
1;i-on the present occasion.

Lord I.II.ILGR AVE rose to state, that he consi. !
dered hirmelt bound to support the Address that
b- attache,: grirat credit to His Majesty's present
Ministers. for adherirg t•r His Majesty rather than
q•rit hi: service, iwcause sonic measures. not cowipat-
inle with their own teriingi, or burnouts, were not
likely to be c:m; li f w:•h, consistently with His
hl..jerty's sense and corscierce upon the subjea ;
that the late Ministers were guilty of the utmost
indecin um, for which no precedent could be ad-
dueed in the History of Parliament, in obtaining
from Ills Majesty, what 1•e styled a lo,Aical mums-
'inn, to lay boor, tie sul js O matter of
private and corfidential intet views and discussions,
passing between His Majesty and them in the
Closet or Coat cii Chamber ; anJ how must such
an da, said his L::dship, astonish teary man who
hail ever been in a Ministerial state, when, a: the
time of such communication, I ;is fskjesty had so
one to support him, but the very persons casting on
him that responsibility. which, by the laws and
Corstitu:inn of those Realms. His Majesty was ez-
e.npted from ; as it was a maxim of our laws, that
the KM{ can do no wrr net this last com-
munication excited in the winds t f men the most
indec.•nt feelings. and was tantamount to tke cast-
ing nn Ills M. je:ty, what must have been and was
the blame and miscor.di..; of the late I►linisters
themselves, who had fanlight forward a measure
which they must have known to Le disagreeable
to ills Majesty. and not adm;ssible, consistently with
the sale anJ preservation et the Constitution. in
Church and State. as by law established. That this
tssea•ure night have offended Has Majesty, and
lodsic-ii him 'o exercise t.is stud silssed Prsr.•gative,
disMssii.g hi. S rvants or Wimisters ; hut that
Dinsuisst.un ut Parlsasucut hau no cousiation

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with the cry of a No Popery," as the Noble Lord
(Holland) had steed
Here Lrrd HOLLAND explained, that his ideas
of the Royal Prerogative were pure and constitu-
tional, with sacred reverence for Hit Majesty's
person and family ; but that' by this crmstitution,
and the hereditary sacred rights of Englishmen,
such rash and unaccountable proceedings should lint
have taken place without some inquiry ; this in-
quiry he courted, as did all his Colleagues. Parli-
amentary discussion, he contended, was due to the
parties and the nation on this unaccountable busi-
ness . . .

Lord ERSKINE, with great animation, eon-
tended, that if the doarine field forth br the N-ble
Mover and Seconder of the Address, was legal or
admissible, on this question, the Constitution would
receive a mortal wound, of which it very shortly
must utretly expire ; if the Noble Duke (Port-
land) opposite him, (the head of the present Ad-
ministration) would tecollal, that on the dissolu•
tion in (784, so improperly, in various respeas,
compared with the late one, he (Enid Erskine) at-
tended, in person. on His Majesty, .with an Address
of the then House of Commons against that disco-
lotion ; and that not only a bill, but likewise reso-
lutions were passed against such dissolution ;
that this Bill and Resolutions were passed agsiiist
the King's Prerogative, and that, to entertain A
dintin of sitch a tight, he appealed to the fin..
nom-. fezlings, and sense of the people or Ens.
land, ve-uld 1-e a renunciation of their dearest
rights and interests. He asked, whether ‘iinis-
ters were to he considered as tenants, who, on
not attaining to their Lord, must be thrown out
without an appeal or trial? Ilia Lordship insisted ibet
the King's Speech, on the dissolution of the last
Parliament, should be read, by which it appeared
that the .file cause of tha eissolurinn was the
Catholic Qaestion. lie stated, that ag, eat number
of the p:c.ent, always agreed with the late Ministry
in principles, and that to war with the Ottoman
Porte, or with any people, on account of their
'alit reln4inn, was impolniz, unconstitutional, and
iiklitt in; he was, of course, far the amend-
ment.

1.-ird GROSVENOR opposed the Address,ne the
same grounds. Lord SIDN4OUfIi slipluirred
tr e• pre►ent Ministers in a very lofty tone, and appeal-
- a n the people, and to their LerdsHps, whether he
r, alto' the standard of intolerance, when ha
ppnsed the Catholic Question, Although he was
write determined to support the present htnisters,
woo h loped would prove sufficient for the Go-
eel ornent of this United Kiagdom.
I.nrd ROSSLYN, in an able and animated
speech, supported Lord Erskine's sentiments ; he
c,,ntendel that the present Islinisters were guilty of
a nrnee crime, in appealing ftau•.'ulei,tlr. or uoder
raise pr aenees, to that engine weich is the most
aircible in the mind of man—ReligOsa ; when they
had no other charge or mode of ning out the lite
vliiesters, without caure or accusation This appeal
was made to the nation unj•istly and unnecessarily ;
it was wirked, for no idea of Popery, asdangetons to
cur establishment, wa; entertain:it by any rational
person. The NaSleVisenunt (Si dmouth)had,however,
uttered a sentiment. which he must combat with his
;twist might ; namely. tha: toe preseat Ministers
;.ad a staticiency of capacity or crinf.deace from the
people. to govern this eineite; and oiled, that his
opinion Ana conviftion were, th it they were wholly
unfit. incompeten, and instil ten:. far that pur-
woich he ►elt himself bound, in r. pi' to the
Noble Viscount, thus publicly to declare.
The F.arl of 81.J.1K INGH A Ali ilßEsaid,there
never was a time when it was more erseltial t.. know
whether the King stood eseltoively objenionahle to
the Bill, which had beau so ititen allude f to in the
cntolse of debate, or wOatfier other c nisiderariolas
were mixed with the suhjea. It was important to
Ireland ti, knew the sense of this country, as he was
persuadea, when they knew in that country that the
scour of the King aad people here agreed. they
woula not he trot sled with repeated applicata,,as on
the Catholic Question. Upon a full coeisiderinion of
all the qiiestinns in debate, he expressed his &sap-
!, probation of the amenament.
Lord GRENVILLE thee rose, and in a very
animated and Jul: rent speech, (to which we regret
that the lateness of the nour, used the smallness of
our limits, prevent us doing justice), expatiated,
a masterly manner, on the various sul•jefts in de-
bate. Ilia Lordship said, that he could easily sup-
pose, be. •se be had heard the Speech, that His Ma-
jesty's blitlisters, who made it. would allude. in the
west unfavourable manner, to every thing conoefl-
ei with the late Administration. The Noble Lords
who made the speech, seemed to him. by all the ex-
pedients they had recourse to, to remove one step
further from responsibility. Much had been said rt.
spec-ling constitutions of Parliament, but he was
much in doubt, from the language made use of this
night, whether they were sitting there in virtue of
the ancient constitution of Parliament. In the course
of seventeen years there had been no instance of
such gross allusions. but then it was to be consider.'
el, that the Minister who, during that period, rol-
-1 vised the speech froM the Throne. was particularly
cautions to render it as gracious and conciliatory as
possible; so fat from that was the language of the
present. that eapre►sions, the most acrimonious, in-
sulting and irritating, were held out in the speech
which was delivered as the King's ; acid thus
Mi-
sisters abused his sacred name. far the put pose of
venting their own inveterate language, unser the
sandtsou of His Majesty's authority. %Vith regard
to the dissolution of the late Parliament, the
Noble Lords seem not to hme a leg left to sta.al
upon. but because Parliament had been dissolved
under peculiar circumstances in 1784. It would
be superfluous for him to go back to all the divi-
sions and (Onions of that period, which were mate-
rially different from the present case, nor would be
assert, that no instance may occur. in which an ap-
peal from the Crown to the People may be advis-
able; he must here advert to the manner in which a
Noble Relation of his, now absent, bad been alluded
to, and he was proud to say, that every part of that
Noble Relation's conduct was such as to meet with
his cordial approbation. In the humble situation
in which be stood at the Dissolution in 1754, he
thought that measure not only justifiable but neces-
sary; for, at that period, it unfortunately happened,
that both Houses of Parliament were at open vari-
ance. and bad entered into resolutions and counter-
re.olutions ak.ainst each other, which be cc:mirth'.

thought, as it destroyed that confi fence ar.:l unani-
mity so essential in conducting tbe. pu service istoe
a just and properground for dissolso ion; at *time vrhe.:
Parliament declared it reposed no confil 'nee in Mi-
nisters; there then did exist a grouch ior oppeal
from the Crown to the people, on; iu it., present
instance, no such ground of variance oxisteJ, nor
did he know of any disposition in either ii,tuse, to
withdraw their confidence from His Majesty's litre
Ministers. Various opinions had been circulated
respecting the duration of Parliament ; for his pert
he declared himself in favour of the Septennial Bill,
as he considered the fierpient appeals .+1
to the sense of the People, when they limn t Mem-
bers not agreeable, would tend to the embarrass-
ment of public business, if not something vicrse ;
a contempt of Porllhment, and the rendering of
it, as an Loth:Lion. burdensome to th- people
—ln 180 G he advised a dissolution, because he
thought it a period particularly favour...b.., when
there existed perfect unanimity, and no question
bad been stoned, which could possioly tend to 101 l
ll +mit the passions, or lead to acts of violrnee. In
18(6, • Pat litinent was dioolved during a recess, in
leo7, in tho mid !le of a Session, to toe interruption
of the most important husines, to thy g eat loss to
individuels, by throwing hack private business, ard
send-sting Nlitiisters gulty of a breach of faith. isod
Inking the forms of Patliament a *milky.
No le Lord nex: alin led to the interruption of
the Bills he had brought in with respect to reforma-
tions in Scotland ; the Irish IL venue Bill would ex-
pire on the Gib of Juty, and the Bill of our Commer-
cial Intercourse with America had aerially exiored,
and the ievenue; were now collefted ssidicut son,-
lion of law; thus breaking clown all the harriers
which had °mu placed against the illegal ta,sing oi
e.e polilic money; if this system was permitted tor a
short period. who could sty whore the priazipO;
might stop ? All this was the are of the late ois-
solution He had not yet heard the atrocious
cry of " No Popery" denied by the Noble Lords,
11: wished t•litSit !no Lord Chencell o it he ha) not
propagated it ? or the Chancellor of the U. jocosity
of Cornhridge, it he hod not raised it lit that L
versO y ? or the Chancellor of the Let:segues-, at
NotOornotoo?ot th -11e,oetoi yof St ate cur toe i Tome
I)epart:lmm at the University of Du thin? wnerettiat
relwrahle body had tile virtu:: to r:j tte
mandate, though tour times forced upon them ; and
he was at a loss to know 116 w the Secretory
State could account for his condlOt. in inert: ring
an Adiliess, purpotting to be an Add:v-5 from
that Body to his M .jesty, witch ae. since
withdrawn, and aecoutit d for in a mist
fa:: n y minter, no d lobo as a gen:lo c: r.,1 nt
The Gaga fe.—(!lear ! Gear 1,1-1-1. next al:u
to the danger of telling the C.:sr:tidies of Ircistl,
men in whose hands the lam hail already rt..
arms, than they ought not to be intrtou I T.',01
them. Whitt could the Militia of aink
hearing this ? triumph of Jelti,ion was
lived, and though this cry mid heel) raiwJ for rl.-c•
Lion purposes, it did rot long succeed. Wito rospre
to the mention pf the Expeditions to Egypt ant n-
stantinople, ao person could deny tiro:. the hit t
tion of it in the Speech implied a censors ; I t how-
ever was anxious to meet, and corn tett an inotery
on these suOjees. He concluded an luiroatrd
speech, by voting for the Anoodnioto.
Lord SIDNICiII rH explained.
The LORD CHANCELLOR spoke at scone length in re-
ply i. Lord Granville, jaunted Ina conduct, sod 4l•oeci
principles as hostile to the Catholic Queotion, as founded
011 the statute. and the declaratiJa of the loose of
and to 7ognit..ttl et ttto Union with Scotland and with .•
and, above ill, as the principle svhtch placed His Ma,•-sty's
family on the Throne.
Question was loudly called for, woen
Lord LAUDER .LE. rose, and made a verry brilliant speech
in favour rat tin! Aineiwirnuot, which, we regret, the eaten,' of
toe h >or and out itif.AAiSeill lituit‘ will not perutit us to enter
upon
Lerd lIkWY SBURY msde 4 long 4:twit in reply to L,rd
Gtvtivstle, chi 11 wet OW out, 141 t 14144 as so !OMB thlo •14
Lord.hte, .1,1.114140 K the d•stiptt et tebi.ting the Catlin! is cl
Called tii.ou th.•ir Lord.hirs al, tt, tett.t thc.ii as utszailvtl
bouts loudly ..ailed tor, them appear-
ed Ito the Add,,s--
Content., (prasent) . 131 . Prudes 160
taws COlll,Olll, ( yresewt) s 6 . 11. . 67

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