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Gentleman or to his Learned Collrgue, for mention.
log the subject on • day often it writs barely possible
that any Minister of the Crown should be present,
he could -nos help feeling -it Tether 'hoed that Minis-
ters should be so severely called over the coals for
not giving an answer ott (be ?Ph to the Memorial
of the 2.5 th. The Hoe. Member (Mr. Daman)
would excuse his.dwallag upon this .paint, because
his manner had bras as pasiticulasly expressive, so
crimiunting. iiimonstase of hive (Lord L.) liaosuse
he was not able to same the poetise time when jol-
liers were received end answered ; whesi.l6 days hid
been suffered to elapse after theproclamstion, before
the first Memorial was forwarded, it was a little
hind to compliant that it was nut. answered in a
week. The .i.lou..bitusber was also Pedlar incor-
fect!lnia circumstance, which Willed lad if ibe had
Hot eery parfectlytsederstood his owu CSOli; for lie
complained that no answer hstl been given on Sa-
tusk., .to•tlii application to be heard by Counsel.
ply that ' that the

Now it was only day (Monday) ...e
catiois had been received. The first Memorial
wise on the lilt, of issue, to the Kiug himself,
suit not to hies an Raisin°;l, which was informal ;
it could not be atiseervel uutil it had been sub-
mitted to the Couucil, .and ell it preferred
is 14101 sifter the denial of .sty right in
Jaw, the Honoureble and Learned Gentleman
would have felt that there was a want of se-
'pert to her Majesty in advising the King to reply
without ■ renewed refereoce to the Crown Lawyers.
A second Memorial, equally ioforniaL was all erwards
received, to which the *newer was, that the King
had.bato adenoid by hie 4C140111,111 that her Majesty
had no right lint mhos ,depouded on the royal grace
and favour, mid consequently that there was no
intention to advise that elie should be crowned.—
That produced the third Memorial 'staying to be
heard by Couniel, which lied sully been 'that dry
submitted to his Mftjesty'a coosidewition ; and in.
Windy had been advised by no means as a matter
of right, but as a concession to her Mejesty out of
his grace and .favour, to permit that she should be
beard by her Counsel, before the Privy Council,
sou the subject of her claim. further, he had only
toldiseeve that the opinion that her Majesty could
only derive her right to pettake iu the cereniony„uf
the Coronation fruit) the .pertnissioo of the King,
664 .losig.been wuttur of public uotositty ; And -if
time were any grounds for supposing that any
logetl•right esisted independent ash, favour of the
Crown, her Majesty's advisers might have been
Ling ago prepared with materials for asairsting her
• klr. INENstaw *aid, if there had been any
thing violent or warm in hie manner on a former
occasion he was sorry for it ; he had not intend-
ed to cast any imputation on any person, but he
did feel, arid 'till he retained the impression,
that her Majesty bad a right to complaiu, that
when she had applied on Monday respecting her
claim, and there was ressou to think that the
opinion of the Council woo already made -lip,
they had not let her know that ripwrion on Sa-
turday. He could mot think that they would .have
been at all justified in putting forward an/ claim coo the
pert of. her Majesty until they wereeertaia that the ceremoay
would take place. That they mild mot know from the pre.
preniticies,ss those had been catered upon before, and the
ceremony had been delayed; nor could be allow that her
Majesty bed any •rigtst to take **Acre sebietliall from the
Noble Lord in Parliament. lie wilameare that we applies:
non bad been made by bee Majesty to Lord Liverpool, hat
at that time he and his Learned Friesd were out of:town ins
their circuits; and nroloubtidly her Majesty never could
Raub Ofeolossicing • legal claim hi, the King io Commit
without tatting advice. With anapest to the cheer.
motion of the Noble Lord, that be bad only Qom.
emitted of the delay on their part, in defence of
whom, he (Mr. Dirdinan) did sot know bow that could
apply itbscause if they bad already doteimiosid on excluding
lier Majesty, certainly it must be oft am opmion already
made up, and that might have bees communicated et once.
Me bad no apology to offer oakss for expiring himself
with any warmth of manner. He still thought her Majesty
bad • right to complain. Whit respect to her Majesty's
Memorial cloimiug to be crowned, no man could doubt that
M was intoorled to be addressed to the Leg in Council,
Millet was the duty of those who had any doubt on the
sebiset of the claim, to have put the argument iu train fur
arise lamed.
Mr. BROUGHAM confirmed the Oatmeal of his Learn.
tided as to the letter to Lord Liverpool 'being written
mileabl,the knowledge of her Majesty's legal advisers. it
ana.slated on the 15th June, and the tirst time they were
odliedialeto moult on the subject of the coronation was
the 1116.
The. All was then read the third After which
Mr. BERNAL peoporied as an amendment in the date of
the year, after the words " one thousand eight handrail sad"
to leave out " Noires," sad insert " tweuty-ome." (The
elleet being to negative the grant of the 18,0001. arrears.)
' On the question " that the words proposed to be left oat
do 'mod part of the Bill," the House divided, Site numbers

Ayes.. QA
Woes • .•••• ...... ~••••

Majority against the Amerieliworit,
and iu (atom, of the Grant of 61
18.0001. for Arrears
On our return to the gallery we found Lord A. HAMIL-
TON on hi• hp, protesting against the ivregolar niminer
In which the grant had been introduced, withered any Mew.
sage from the Crown ; and in order that his protest might
appear on the Journals, be mowed a Resolution eaprosaive
of the. irregularity of tbe.ornisaime of • Messerge, and pro-
testing against it* being drawn into • precedent.
Dr. LDSHINGTON sreontleddie Hesololimi, whirls. after
o fesrmoriieftots the Illaequis of LONIOONDEREY, wort
negatived witlioat a di1,41011.
ThC dill lbw pseud.
PREVENTINT SERVICE.
Sir W. DE CRESPIGNT begged the attention of the
Howse-to a ease which iirrnlved a guest of great impart.
sere goitre liberty of the @object, Ili:. the legality of opene-
r.' ageratum for rrrrr Meg the persona of his Majesty's sob-
;iv.. A most respeemek Clergyman, in the lsk of Port-
Marl, eras rtripped on the 16th April, WO hia way to his
etruicii, by aporly of men belonging Iv the Preemptive Set-
vice, and foreihly searched. He wrote on the g Ith to Captain
Slsortiand, who eummaoderl us the station, from tabula ho
received • cavil *mower, promising an Woolley loto the cir-
cumstance. Souse fiat, having afterward. el•Perd
woe inquiry, he wrote a second letter, the answer to which'
taxied, that it could only have beru written by • Man-
•hester Radical, and that it was laid before the Treasury.
Another ease bad occurred at treyntoulb of a more atrocious
nature. A woman ass Ouse forcibly searched he a man be.
longing lu the Preveutive Service, iu • mobt indeireut man-
ner, and with sochytulestee. That a mimeo. who attended her
to the 2tl May, steamed that if be but wet bled her, she
would have dial in cunvegueure of the itrekeeirt and impro-
per conduct if timer who reser-bra her. He euntended that
"Witte) might to be mode looks !law cases, and justice dune
built to the poor woman and the clergyman. If such con-
d." were permitted ea our tams, our wives, daughters, and
families, were in vestistaist danger of their lives. He cosi-
eluded by ninviwg fur a copy el she sre t granted Its •
man iu the Preventive StIViCC. OU the Portland and Wey-
mu u h station, Named brace, awtheirising hint to search a
mimid woman named Gibbs; and that informstieu be laid
before the House orate measures takeu to red.-esa a Clergy-

Mae, Named Madden& fur die juultioffered hies by certain
roes in the Prewititivwfierwieeita sheltie of }limiest!.
The CHANCELLOR of the.EXCHEQUER moved the
Previous Question'.
Mr.M. G. BENNETT suggested to the Right Hon. Gu-
ttman, that it would be.betterto allow a ropy of the gees.
ral warrant issued to the peruse employed its the preventive
service, authwiring them to seareb persons. Upon that his
Hun. Friend might awoke his stalemate, ethith might be met
by the Right 800. Guthman and then the noise 'middle
able to judge how far the coasPiaints were well founded.
The CH ANCF.LLOR uf the EXCHEQUER said, if the
Hon. Baronet would withdraw his motion, and apply to the
Treece/I, he would eadesvoter to procure him thelallest
information on the subject.
Sir J. SEBRIGHT said, it was much the better way that
previous inquiry should be made before such motions were
brought forward. It frequently happened to him to have
such complaints made to him, un which he applied to the.
public oilier, in whose department it lay, and there be gene-
rally received satisfactory infuensation. The greatest injury
was ohms due in various depsriereats, the army in parti-,
color, by •Ilou. Members bringing ((Award mistime of this
kind without sufficient information, when by ',plying to
the public offices the fullest explanatioo might be obtained.
Sir W. DE CRIISPIONT said, Le had brought the mat-
ter forward on the understanding that application had al-
ready bees made to the Treasury, to which so answer was
given; he was ready, however, to accede to the suggeiticia
of the Chancellor of Exchequer.
A Messenger from the Lords announced that their Lord.
!ships hail agreed to sundry Bills, fur which see our report of
the Lords.
Mr. F. BUXTON heated to call the attention of the
House to a Petition setting forth a cast of as much hardship
awl distress as had every come to his knowledge. It was.
Owed' too females, wives of Officers in the Navy, whose
husbands, after lung and severe service in various parts of
the world, had been vitlied with the raOit dreadful of
maladies, insanity. According to the long-riatablialied
practice of the service, their wives had been allowed:
to receive the whole of the busbuds' half pay, the
unhappy patients being oupotained in hospitals at the
public expense. That hod continued till the year leis,
when on applying as usual fur their lislf-pay, they
were informed that,an order bad hems issued from the Ad.
miralty to deduct half of the half.pay towards the niainte-,
niece of their husband,. This was a Intestate of peculiar
lisrshness, from its having been adopted without any pre-
vious notice, the perties being thereby allowed to run into
debt, in the euefideeee of receiving the whole of the belt
pay its Usual. These females had thereby been brought to a
state of the utmost privation and distress, sail were en-
titled to the fullest consideration, clue allowance of the whole
of the half-pay, under as mi lar curamatancce, having been the
uwiform protegeee of the servicil from a very remote period.
He emselnded by snoeseg that the Petitiou be brought up.
The SPEAKER wished to Meow what was the precise
prayer of the petition
Mr. F. BUXTON said, that the Petitioners prayed for
such relief as the House might think proper to concede.
The SPEAKER reminded the Hou. Member, that if the
pear, was for peeuniary relief, so tooth Petition could be
reeeived melees it more to the House with leave obtained
for the purpose from the Crown. If that were the prayer of
the Petition or not, the House might be able to decide after
the reading of the Petition.
Sir J. YORKE said, that the money preyed for had already
been granted. The Patilioa meet, therefore, be supposed
to.refir to the regulatious under which the half-pay was ad-
ministered.
Mr. BA NK ES thought it perfectly plain that the Petition
was for pecuniary relief, and came within the meaning of
the order referred to by the Speaker.
Lord MILTON (busiest that there might be a iteration
as to the applicability of the rule to the came; and if it were
possible to bring the Petition within the rule, the feelings
of the whole House would lead them to the most favour-
able interpretation.
Mr. C. WYNN admitted that the ease was one which
would iotluence Members to receive the Petition. Beat the
receptiou of it would open the dour to so maay other cues,
that the role would be entirely defeated.
Sir G. COCKBURN maid that he :was prepared with doe
eaments to prove that there was net the slightest einem it*
relief in lbe case brought forward. lf, however, the Pell-
tiou were contrary .to the Orders of the House, any reply to
it must be equally so, as it mast be also unnecessary.
Lord A. HA MILTON said, that having read the Petition,
he was of opinion that the prayer of it applied to the rules
of the department by which the half-pay was issued, rather
than the half pay itself.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that if the
view of the Noble Lord were to be adopted, then the course
taken is future would be to get at the money by dealing
with Ore rule; and then they mutt look to have ell the
rates .and peocerdinge of all the establishments beicabi
regularly forward fur the delibeeatios of the House.
Mr. G. BENNETT recommended his Hon. Friend to
wait till the Order of the Day for the consideratiou of the
Appropriation Bill came forward, which was intended to re-
gestate the application of the public resources, upon which
motion it could net be at all irregular to bring forward the
eau of the Petitioners.
Mr. F. BUXTON thought that the cue of the Lady
tinning rather involved the question of whether she wu not
excluded from all the privileges which might be claimed by
one in her eireametanees, than that of a pecuniary eonsidere-
tiriemereiy:_ . . .

!Ir. 11ItOGGEN thought that the reception of the Peti-
time would be a breach of the order, which be thought highly
objectionable.
The SPEAK ER said, that there wereso many ways of bring-
ing forward • Petition to the eonsid►tatiou of the House, that
the question by no mesas resolved itself Into the adoption
of title course, .o► the rot Wigging it forward at all. The
Petition seemed to him to comprise a prayer fur the remain-
der of half-pay alluiences. A petition might, certainly, be
received in objection to the regiilations of those allow.
•tices ; but it was acknowledged to be a petition fur the
residue of half-pay, which wus said, by way of justifying the
mode of pi Mimi, to hate bees already granted. But in
voting halt:pay the House could never be considered as
having voted immortality to those who were to receive it,
and it might as well be contended that the half-pay having
been feasted, must he continued to the surviving kindred
of the receivers, as that under all or any circumstances the
acme regulatioas must be observed in admissiateriei it.
Mr.CAI.CRAFT secommended that the Petition should
be withdrawn, sud presented to-morrow in a more orderly
form.
11r. P. BUXTON withdrew the Petition accordingly.
Klr. H. G. BENIN ETT presented • Petitioa from Jane
Dawson lloableday, Rimiest the tedious delays of the Court
of Chancery, iu which she had a cause which had been in
course of litigation in that Court ever since 1807 ; sill the
part.es, including the Solicitors on both sides, having for a
long time past been vainly &maims to have it brought to im-
mediate decision.—Ordered to be printed.
The Lottery Bill Report was brought up and received,
and the Bill ordered to he read • third time to-morrow.

moved that

EXTi: A POST 1111.1..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCUEQUe.
the Report Ire brought up.
Mr. CA LCRAFT could sec no use whatever in the sera.
any, of this Bill, ■nd expressed his determinatiou to oppose
is to the hest.
Mr. N. CA LitERT hoped, as the expeeinsent of the new
postage regulations had been made, that whatever weight be
dour with the Bill, the individual who had incurred the ex-
penses of that experimeut, would be indemnified for hie
pains, and t►e preparations which he had made fur carryiag
there regulations into effect.
Sir J. YORKE objected to any alteration of the existing
arraugements, and especially to the proposal of recompense
while Mr. Palmees claim remained unsatisfied. He thought
that if mil improvements were to be iutrodueed, they might
more essay and cheaply be made upon the existing post

estaaussoora....
Mr. MABERLY Hamlett that If the Haase bealosee the
evidesee, they would have comodered the Cutnatiotte as per.
feet ly justiAable.
Mr. P. MOORE aid, that be would oppose-Bo Bill, be.
eager he motel we we region for lotoborg ea ea He maw*
reigelaltuus. He recollected way well when the watiLbatis
were cpoyerrl all *rough *opted, by ,peet.beye slettio.

gle hones; he reftilltutetil fsserlessik Mr. Pitt prided him-
self on bans; *disponi bit. Tames improvements in
the coaveyance. Mi. Palen wasla have had a certain soft
on all the%seennitg ' which tole very shortly swelled
ter MAW That mnirlitd • h subsequently to upwards 01
2,000,000/. Mr. Pplessr.had not nceived any thing like+.
adequate rewsed,almagi the country and the reveuse hid
derived such nunitireintry silvantftes from his inventions:
So perfect had be rends ed the regulations of the post-urns
that the peters. 11.1111-seein be altogether useless. If improver
meets were pranicable.thoy night surely to be recommended
brat of all by the Treasury ft the PostOtEce.
Mr. P. Lewis thought the PealltGee was the best said
hely departtient torso...lane( or, and.carrsiog tato .effect
improveniesta, and the cosftyarsce of the marts. They had
ample power and means for ao gluiest, with expert...ft to
guide them. He fall, theselbett, the atrongest objections to
the creation of A new talaldialtansl, and the ionitutioa of
new rates of post....
The House then divided...
For the motion 39
Against it

Majority g
We understaod that the Bill -wad ordered to be. read*
third. time to-morraw.
POOR RELIEF RILL.
The Order of the Day for the recunmedment of the Bill
beiu road—
Mr. isCAALB/TT rime to Mate the reasons which induced
his to withdraw the Bill fur the prevent Session. He had
worm hoped Mean,' the Bill until after lour and very sails,
factory discussioo, which circumstances had hitherto pre-
veuted- He regretted this Hie more, as be wns anxious to
have saved with the chromes% which had been adduced front
all quarters against him. •He proposed to himself to meet
those argensowta early is the ceasing Session. Whether
he would have to meet his ;idlest Friend, the Mart-
hot for Soothe/ark, is Moyle or double combat, he did not
know ; be would, however, do his hem, and brush up his
low halwe'n this and that Perim', to he better able to meet
bins, .cud he hoped that his gallant Friend would conduct
his part of the strife with as much courtesy as lie
Case. Scorlett) noreat to ow. From the impressions
of thirty years of consideration, be was convinced that
the Poor Laws were mainly oppressive to the pour
themselves, and hie only object is briogiog forward the
Bill was to restore the poor lo liberty and independence
from a s)stent which degraded sod -oppressed them. He
did not vouch to briag in the Bill is the same form of worti,
but substantially it would be the same measure. He in-
tended after the passing of the first measure to brindle an-
other Bill, the purpose of which would be to.establish more
discrimination among the claims of those retitled to relief,
and to prevent the profusion of 'sprees which accompanied
the present admisistratioo of the POW Laws.

Sir WILSON promised to be at his post to answer the
challenge °Chi's Hou. and Learned Frioad 'Darla Session,
and that be would endeavour to gaudily his opposition to
die measure by bailor imams afk ilia interim to copious
black letter reading.

Mr. GURNEY expressed his ontisfarthen at seeing the
Bill withdrawn, sod expressed hie *Males, strongly as to
the seischinvom tendencies with which the whole toddler was
fiattelit. He quoted a considerable extract from the prefsee
to Holisogshrd, written formerly is support of the poor laws.
He.expreased hie hope* that the revilers of Malthus would
never agoi..be /mood embodied in • Rill before that House,
hostile es the principles of that author were, to all laws
sacred and divine, which had ever existed, idol the espe-
deuce of the whole worW, after an extradite of 6,000 yew's,
Dr. LUSHINGTON objected strongly to the tone of op.
position taken to the measure of his Hon. and Learned
Friend: He had always been sediefied of the impulicy of the
Pour Laws; of the impossibility of carrying into effect any
law which goes (o provide employment for all who wasted
it. He was conviuced that a. the pour dace bed augmeated
the misery of the poor had increased. He pearled-4 to be a
believer in the mod*. of Mr. Matelnes' to a considerable
degree, sod exerorened his smiehistion at the prospect of the
effects which as sateasimillsoreitiee of the Bill, through the
ages." of the publi; press, was likely is the absence of
Parliament to produce.
Mr. SCARLEIT Complained of discussion having been
persevered is offer he had, fur the convenience, of the
Hoeft, and eirsotereey to his oweleelings, declined.
Mc. GURNEY, Axplaiseal,
Mr. T. CUURTISNAY would not prolong the diseuesiow,
though be was Apposed to the measure. He pledged him-
self is the meet Session to maintain aphid the arguments
of the Hon. sod Learned Gentleman the principle of the
Poor Laws, even to the extent of providing employment fur
all who wanted et. Ile promised his acquiescence in any
measure °bleb could be aimed upon for the motlibestion
of the Poor, Lars, as he was clearly of maulers that their
adntiaistrat nis was susceptible of great improvement.
Mr. HARBORD expressed his confirmed objeelloo to
the principle of the measure.
Mr. F.PA LAMM stilt Rh that the Poor Laws were the
chartered rights of the poor, which were too sacred to be
attacked. He hoped, in ease a She worst, Short the parsing
of this or any similar bill, would he preceded by. full in-
quiry into the condition and wages of Idiom, which were
such as to render the withdrawing of the relief of the Poor
Laws impossible.
Cassel DAVIES supported the principle of the Bin.
though it was mettrary to the almost express testi-echoes of
his own constituents.
Mr. MONCK agreed to the necessity of doing something
towards the gradual and final abolition of the system of
Poor Law. He bruited upon them to be nothing more than
MI immature device to Strew out the greatest quantity of
labour for the smallest price. At the same time.he thought
that the Bill ought mot to pros until a redress .r certain
grievances were carried into effect; such grievances 1111
those of excessive taxation and the Corn Bill. Having dune
all the could to relieve the poor, they might then with fa:r-
oam deemod of the poor to do the MIK for themselves.
Hr. 6CARLETT entered into some further defteee.off
the measure,. and read an extract from Dr. Franklin, whirls
went in objection to the establishment of poor laws. He
took oecastiton to observe, in reply to the observations of
some 'of his Hon. Friends, that the poor rates roily tended
to deprive the labourer of his wages, as tens proved by the
cases of very many pariahs., where the redraft price °fere-
videos had caused an iodate of pour rates sod a dimnus.
tiun in the wages of labour.
The Order of the Day was then discharged.
The Tobacco Duties Bill Report was brought np, and the
Bill ordered to be read • third 'time tomorrow.
The Report of the Stamp Ditties (Ireland) Bill was brought
up end ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
_ _

The Custom House Officers Relief Bill passed through a
Committee, the Report to be received to-morrow.
The Metropolis Pellet Bill was read a third time.
Mr. R. MARTIN }repotted a ciente to be added for the
prevention of dog, bear, eamabey, sad badger Getting.
Mr, H. CLIVE could not see in what part of t►e Bill it
would ►e possi►le to introduce the clause.
Mr. R. MARTIN said, that if the clause were objected to,
she. he would make it the *abject of a separate Bill next

The Dill thew passed.
AUDIT OF ACCOUNTS DILL.
Mr. LUSHINGTON moved tie third reading of this
Dill.
The Audit Bill was read a third Use and palmed.
The Horse thee weal into a Committee ou the Sassiooal
addresses.—Report to-morrow.

•
IRON COFFINS.
Mr. WHITBREAD presented a Petition from E. Brick.
nun, poteotoe of 'rya mans, complaining of the extra-
vansot hos which had bees drineoeled for burying the dead
is ire* *Asa, and praying whet
The Petition was read, and ordered to lie cis the table.
Adjourned till to.morrow (this day).

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