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Arrtniiintion to 4he I.”rd Mayor. Knowing otat he,
the-tietrifterOf 'that worthy and Riglit'fittit.
Magistrate, thee Wets no Irian in wham he could
con de with itiore sleety, of not having his confi-
dence abused. Put had 'the contmunicatiou'liefeni
made, as spoken oily Mr. Dent at nine o'clock 4
he fancied the Lord Mayor would have found him-
self in a very atdcward'ntedicament. He (Mr. -A&
dingtop) on the -contrary did not wish the disclosure
to be made till the business of the Stock Exchange
was over; and thtlefore did Uot send the commu-
nication until he came down to the litnise to eine-
liver the 3ilessage from his Majesty. His ,:mxisty
wets that no undue advantage shnold -he taken by
any one ; and he was confident that nothini; had
transpired from persons in official situtisions.
Mr. DENT still contended, that the intelligence .
of his Ninjesty's Message intended to.be sent down,
being knoyrn to others before it wits enmrannicated
to the Lord Mayor, must necessaiily have h 44 nn
injurious Wed.
Here the ccmyersation ended, and pu rises:ion
was Intr.
A Message from the Lords announced that they
had agreed.to.tlin Irish Postage, nrid severai prnrate
Bills.
CS'IL LIST.
The CHANCELLOR oi the Exclir.QuErt
•said, that he rose in pnrsuance of .a notice be. gave
on Monday lan, of moving $-41- a Selin.3 Committee
to inquire into the set:sista% charges ttyun his Mae
jesty's Civil List. it had been his intention to have
' brought the subjeft forward before, but n-.,,5e he had
reason to lejoice in the tie4y '..aving taken plarie,•as
the eifea would be to put.the ;louse in possession
of more correil infottnation than they could betere
have had ; retelling. to 'his Majesty's Message of
the Lith of .Febrtinry, ICOSI, in which the House
agreed to relieve the Civil .List, which was certainly
inadequate to defray the expenditure. Should:the
I louse grant a Selo Committee, its principal
busi-
rums would he to inquire into these eircumstartees,
and after their report, it would be tbr the House to
consider whether it would not be right to guard
against any additional accumulations, such as had
formerly occurred. Upon this subject be should
nut pledge himself to any line of condeet or mea-
sure till the Committee should report wheurr the
income was equal to the increasing exponditam, not
arising from the household pomp or state of the's°.
verei.gn dignity, but equally to other objeels of is
political nature. He concluded with moving,,Th4t
a Sele4 Committee be appointed to consider of thie
charges On the Civil List ievenue, the salaries to
' Ministers at foreign Courts, &c. and report their
opinion thereon to the House.

2dly. That the Selett Committee be composed
of twertty.one Members, and that any five of the»t .
should be a ouurum. Amengst the Members
named on the Committee were, the Master of the
Rolls, the Attorney General, Lord Broome, Mr. H.
Lascelles, Mr. Blackburn, Mr. Du dale, INIr. Van-
sittart, Sir George Cornwall, &c.
The plan of the Civil List Establishment formed '
"on the title of July lii;ti,•the Accounts presented
last gesslon, the .v.trious charges (An the ivil List,
and the salaries to Mimsters in Foreign Courts, and
their other expences, acre then also ordered to be
referred to the rare C

SURVEY:J:2 GPlntA.L'i OFFICE.
Th.e ATTOR.NEY 'GENERAL rose, in conse-
quence of a notice given yesterday, to move for
to bring in a Lill for regulating the ofticte of the Sur-
veyor General of his Majesty's Parks and Forests.
Some of what was complained or may, be reformed
by the Officers thermelves;:and he was authorised to .
say, that what the Office could do would be done ;
but there were other things which required Legis-
lative provisions And arrangements, which together
with some arrangements in the office of Surveyor-
General of the Crown L4nds, w0,,,1d be the princi-
pal objects of this Bill.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill, avid '
Committee appointed to prepare the same.
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JRIFI
Mr. ALEXANDER branglit the 'Report of
the Committee on the Bill for enabling the Coro,
missioners of the Treasury in Irelarai to aivanee
bounties to persons enrolling themselves in the Iriih
On the question for the Report being read a st.,
sok! time,

Mr. WINDTIAM said, that he could not zniTer
a Motion cf this kimi to pass without entering a
serious protest agr,inst itt and enforcirm his objec-
tions with some observations which might perhaps be
applicable to some future erasion.. He wished to set
out with stating, that he was by no means t friend to
the Militia ; he had been a warm friend of it when
very young, hut more experience, and mature re-
ficsions had altered his opinion. He was an enemy .
to it in England, at least to any great extent, much
more so W.IS he adverse to such an establishment in
Ireland. The Gentkiwi) who were natures and best
aria :nted with the rta:c of that .coentry, had lately
declared thatit was impossible-to raise a.. Militia in
Icelancl by ballet, and rather 'than raise it by bounty,
he should nnwhyrefer not having it all. Every one
knew that he was not a military man, Rscr likely to
h;ye any other preference to ue
,establisment over
another, except as fir as it W2C fovntied on real.opti-
nion. Military sevviceby.competition must eves be
'deemed p hardlhip, and men naturallyteel a-relina-
'aricc to be driven cr forced from their houses - and
families. Frorp persons under suth iniptegions
good paldiers could not be expected. He belived
the Mitia, by the laws from time‘e-time emitted,
ivere brought to at gteat perfeftioli as-such an esta-
blishment woald adinitof. .Many of ti e.soldrervwere
trnined, and looked and ailed r,ke•good sbl.
diers on the parade, but there was a rai.ical'afefett..in
iristitutiupatself,wlnekis.wal out f slit power
even of the tiegislattivei ,iif•the (.;Mears who
commanded them, %9 eittituAVY cure:: 'Vteetrihe
,should not tingrwful if hy did not r,pirippw dif

Oblitarz• ,

,i the Militia during Abe unhappy corn-
Ireland, yet he would contend that a
*as necessarily without experience.
:y not want ardour, best in the whole
mechanical or scientific arts, there was
regeired more preface and expe,
At*? of a soldier's, in which the
ukre lin.ive..lably deficient. In his
it Iva sobeefor 44?-44114.4;atikuatait‘wh awl
- soldiers, .o.oietan"frifOr WO mg
, unity k tiothtuittnt4tivtd
vat skater of Itielr-il9Mti ;
`in tsy.iffilitrefition of their
d repointimr ,feh tri *Met
iistinguishisitthmewlvee; whete-
,vaateges seldom
.fall.esoefre.let of
.ieithei,
dual privtes. eat was iroposeiblpArat.. militias, Am.
4r
~atly "
regulation,. could be /nide or • sorts'
ea as useful its the regulars. 'Raw citnOtts and beat-,
raised forces were fregOrnely at Stietilitful in aletiiiii
'is 'any dthers. The alacrity., elrel eiviMsnstid Wes,
Mmetintes, ite-battle, infitieneeid toleohusiasen add
ienpetuosiey ; bile, to render theirrefforts effediss
they most be ineerpostated'with-yetoiran,troops, aid
a.:l •in conjenitam evith• those lie had more expe,
rietue. A small hotly of such solciiers may even
surpaes vetcrarte; but a General wound be sorry to
go into the. field with an army.cuniposed of 4 mese
of such troops. le ; gret:tter C 1143 than the present,
e' hen perhaps the hue of the empire-T/6y comeeo
be decided, inetPerteibeed.troPPs could raver be so
effeOiee as the ietgolarsi
Mr, NOEL, here called. the Right Iron. f3eatle-
mao to order.
•The last-speaker, ho said, seemed
.toehe desirous of pronouncing a phillippic against
the' militia, but the question now regerdbd mare re,
galations, 'ae,l did not relate to the- expediency-yr
policy of our having a militia establishment.
The SPEAKER' gave Seas his ISliihUrn, that ti q
Right •fivmeurable-Ge44le*ao w4s.p4reztV .4)
ip . -
del . .
Mr. WINDIIAM then proceeded to reSeite,
that though the militia soldiers might know, wed
were in the habit of respeCtieg the officers Who
oomirianded them,•ye.t - they could not be looki 4
upon, iq time of war, as equally ,effseleint as the
'ttonps of'the line. The militia- from its stators;
and construction, -could -Onlyte a. defensive force;
and even supposing thot .sso force in -operation
shotad be deemed necessary, -she -troops-of the hi,"
would certainly, from their experience, be capable
of making a more effeftual.resirtasiee. It must be
q, guild thgq- at all too, 'ill contests suei as the
present 'was likely So.Proye, "to .lufve a force fitted
for continental. service. The enemy would. not to
afraid of an ' army •Svhich • was not ditpOrable, -and
Which, by its leiotl -tonstitetioie .rnhtt +re -cod
to merely defensiveSplirwes. It 'was' tTis inaeli-
vily tp send Ate railit,;.nc-in foletgn 'service which
ulone encouraged :Bonaparte, -eirhile•a•great art of
our arnty Wrof rrialtint•sioriotri eiertiotis 'in:- t,
memorable
to attempt the erm'irable..tistskciihr. ele4Alps ''l 4
.
gairothe battle Lflfater.g9; Which .11;,4*i0 (Waive
un effete upon the gave yf..ißisrope. _ .
Mr. liOE4, here 'again -tailed him to order,
'contending that his °biters-mens. i did hot uffett the
cfliefielon of *rekubtiori I;etbre 'then-410 that the
RUO4O. Cvndeitinix,as ciess.a.ntiug 4)9-topics which
might bare a most-mischievous tcadeuey.
Sir' l'i!,.ta....PUL-TE V.
PY,. • Sing also to order,
said,-that he shotsid -bP'iorry xo hear the Right
Hon. Gentleman siOpped in the iterge of his obserr
vatic:fp. He had entered into 4 discession of topics,
and a strain of remarki, in not. one of which he (Sir
Wm
.) agreed with him, but he was desirous that
he-mtght be suffered to'proteo without iiirther inn
terruptipn. .
. ..
Mr.,WINDHAM, in explaaatinn, said, that hi*
observations went to state the disadvantages of a
force merely ddensire ; the only arguments he had
heard in favour of the Militia was, that it was a
constitutional force, and that it called 'forth the
energy and resources of. melt of tontine. But are
we to depend barely pn deiensive measures ? Are
'we to live from band to mouth ? Are we not to
look to the future, and. adopt measures cilculated
for the future ;' if we did riot, the •C;overrmeni 9f
this country would be ruined. He objeCted to the
Militia as it stood in point of facte but much more
so, as it would be established in consequence of the
measure preposed by the ion. Gentleman ; for as
to a constitutional force, that distinectien would be
entirely done away by the system of bounties. Anoe
ther *reason in favour Of title- Militia was stated to
be economy, by having it in our,powor to contintie
a force in time c.O peace at a very little expense.
But will any cite say that economy should he con-
sidered at a period so big with danger as the pre:-
sent ? In :peaking of the Militia, he did not mean
to cletraCt from its merits,.he believed it was brought
to as high a state of perfeCtion as it was capable of
attaining to, but as- a Military instrument he con-
contended it Was inferior to a regular force. fie
withed to know what advantage' We could derive by
giving bounties to militia-men? A soldier would npt
enter a regular regiment as long as a bounty was
offered for a militia-man, and stating the bounty for
the regolar infantry at present to be six guineas per
man, and the bounty proposed by.this measure at
foniguineas per man, "he would contend, that the
value of a regular, over a militia soldier, was more
to the country than two guineas per man. lie
would rather give eight guineas to a regular soldier
than four to a militia-roan ; and his great obje.tion
to the present measure was this, that it cut up
the recruiting-service, and at a very little ad-
ditional expellee we may have a disposable force
for foreign service. As to the present measure a,
recruiting for the Militia, it abandons every idea of
the coestitutional sy•:erri, as much as. a canal draws
water From the oxiginal channel. It was in the
highest degree injudicious, and if his opinion was.
cotwolted, he would advise raising regular reit-
, ments instead. He allowed, that it was maturat
for mensu have an attachment to their oven works),
and, certainly, •Genelernen connected with the Mili-
tia had brought it to the highest degree of perfec-
tion (as he e:zprtssed himself hefote) that it .was ca.
pattle of attaining to. ,T4a Right Hon. Gentlemao
then said, the present \Placa time which admitted of
no relaxation; our situatien was snob as required
• every degre of exertien on the part of Goveranteut,
tiqd the utmost vigilance for the public safety.
4nd no person was fit to be at the head ce Admi.
nistration„ who would nit .to the utmost extent
pf preparation for the pi: c security. An Hon.
Geatlentaix -rho , spoke -.second, bad said, that the
.present crisis. does not call for stick vigorous to snea-
.sures. 'This seems strbAge arigtitent—Niie ate oiled
upon for exertion.; but are not toask.wbgttlegree of
Apertiqn is neeessary; g a Amp %Tipp we stre likely

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that to - litinfilipt y' *7 Atiiiii,ter ; forclbe ae9in cy , tervices of tl:
• ire 4 obieretip in 00millititietlting theittits. VC the ions in Ira
r of i ''s Pre .
mi.2lll"f Poke. :Sn't:/far, howev&, ..tad . ilitia Army U
ths not any merit. On that occasion they ck the The officers ma!
',ere • Means of keeping the matter coacenled to a seas on- circle of the xnec
iear- able opportunity ; but in, such a caZe as the issuing nothin which
fl,
Dirk of press-wall:At*, they. lid not tte• same poker. rience hut the
km. 'I he preparations prey/ kingly made 'litre t &Walt) Militia '!hors A

211 merchants in the ;:ligeTent-ninfoorcals;-sisol: r it NfaS-4011iier .-44Mishr
e7el bat that ./10,t heen-44. case, the vreparations vete= soldiers,• thua this
Tio.tori.444lY inahills4P4K-10-If„,corgAig•-:•,-.4:Pati -w4er' e-1.4c .satfiers•
land, would be ciaut .to epause,nien y specu a-, wraitipad VY:Pierti:to,greiti
tion to anticipate the- ehnle4ttenttis, Arhts kind of hithoe Matti sittered
disclosure coulasses,olliefooe, lietonfined merely. Inatsses
to person* in,oNcial or confidential situations, ‘thhy reteive•frona•dessingui
knew not that 4htre arts upy m4kle'itt earl ,rpoin-• as sitch•advattegrs s‘ Idoit