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for church preferments, the extent and tendency of ' 1
which did not seem to have been fully perceived by
the illostrious author of the restriftion, and which
the Noble and Learned Lord strongly reprobated as
of the most pernicious tendency. Ile had no fears
of ton rapid a succession, or that through the ope-
ration of the Bill, the patronage of the laity would
be improperly trenched upon.
Lord ELLENISOROUGI I observed, as the ge-
neral sense of their Lordships appeared to be for
going into a Committee, he should detain them very
shortly. He was of opinion that it would be expe-
dtent to set some limitation to the acquisition of ad-
vowsons in such cases as the present. The House
should consider that the Corporations in question
were as trustees who purchased for their own be-
nefit; that they were not only donors but donees ;
there obviously therefore existed reasons for some
restraint, which did not exist in other Corporations.
He must join with the Noble Lords and Raverend
Prelates who reprobated that scandalous traffic in
Church preferments so forcibly alluded to. He was
fully aware how greatly preferable it would be to
see such patronage vested in the Universities ; but
even with reference to purchases, even from these
quarters, he conceived, considering :he possibility
of abuse, that some degree of restraint would even
then be necessary. They should endeavour to find
some certain ratio for apportioning the number of
livings to that of the fellows of the respelive col-
leges. or rather of those who are capable of being
beneficed, and therefore some words should be intro-
clewed to express that provision in the bill, as such
persons as are elected, sr are capable of being elect-
ed."
The Bishop of OXFORD, in reply, observed,
that no fears need be entertained of too great an ac-
cumuLation of patronage on the part of the Univer-
sities, even were that likely to take place, as Par-
liament would always have it in their power to
check the vicious excess; nay, to check the evil in
the bud. He entered into some calculations as to
the number of livings vested in different bodies. Of
these, we understood the Rev. Prelate to say, that
a less number than 71)0 were at the disposal of the
Universities, and many of these of small value, oat
of an aggregate of upwards of ten thousand livings.
The Duke of NORFOLK said, that if he Bill
were agreed to by the Committee, without t
some li-
mitation or degree cf restraint introduced, he
would certainly oppose it its some future stage. He
conceit ed that the same reasons continued to operate
which induced the Legislature, in its wisdom, in the
year 173e3, to provide the restraint in question.
The House then, after negativing the proposition
of Lord Viscount SIDMONTH, resolved into a Com-
mittee on the Bill, and Lord WA LSINGHISSI having
taken the Chair, the preamble was postponed, and
the ens:ling clause entered into pro firma. It being
settied between some of their Lordships across the
table that progress should be reported, and leave
asked to sit again ; which being done, the Commit-
tee was directed to sit again on Wednesday.—
Adjourned till to-inorrow.

0.,

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. CALCRAFT bosught up a Petition which, he said,
VII, signed by 1,0911 heuscholdess and inh.ibitait; of the paridi
of St. Panora., against ttse Bin now perching in the lionsu, re-
lative'te *at parish. That the mid Petition had Wen in his
bands s rmt days, but Ittihad refrained ,froin bringing it forward,
bec.ms.• the Member who first i..tinduced the WI having
abandoned it be thought the Bill had been 'thug...cher given
up: but basing beard an Hon. Barone t give notice a few days
ago of his intuition to move the second nailing of the said 11,11,
It became hisduty to take the present opportunity of present-
ing • his Petition, which was accordingly nail, and ordered to
lie on ;he Table.
Mr Williams. from the Commissioners r,f Naul Inquiry, pre..
sewed at the Bar a copy of the Correspondence between the
Ty-asurer of the Navy and the CntUtlliSeioll6ll of Naval In.
gutty, not minded in the 10th Report.
Mr. !Miriam, Item the Office of tlm Chief S evtary of
Ireland, prr.eille t at the Bar an Account of the Houses tsar
chased by Government in the immediate shinny of the Castle,
forth.- purpos, of maki.ig fortitigations.--Ordered to lie on
the Table, and to be prieted.
Mr. Thrunhil:, from the office of the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer in Ireland, presented at the Bar certain Pa,iers pursu
ant to the Order of the House.—Or fend to lie on the Table.
Mr. 11. THORNTON observed, that same time ago a
Petition had been presented against Mr Maiswaring, which
cannot use he heard, Sir F. Burdett having been returnerd as
the sitting Mein's?, he gave notice therefore that he would
to nsurrow move that the same bu dismiarged.
MOTION F'.`R PAPERS.

Sir A. HAMMOND gave notice at he would
to-morrow move for certain papers relative to the
Eleventh Report.
Mr. GREY said, he thought this mode of giving
notice of moving for papers, which the Hon. Baro-
net had adopted, was rather singular, and not very
fair, as it was in such very general terms, that it
was impossible to guess what the purpose could be
for which they were to be produced. The other
day, the Hon. Baronet had moved for a copy of his
own letter to the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry,
together with the inclosures therein contained.—
He thought this a very extraordinary proceed-
ing. What had the House to do with the letter
of the Honourable Baronet as an individual ?
Nothing at all; and if the Hon. Baronet had any
occasion to comment on the Eleventh Report, he
might, as a Member of Parliament, do so, without
moving in this general way for papers, of the drift
and scope cf which no one could form a judg-
ment. It had, however, been supposed that these
papers had been moved for, in order to convey a
censure on Earl St. Vincent; and, as that Noble
Earl had nn opportunity to vindicate his own cite-
raeter in that House, it was very necessary those
who were his friends should have an opportunity of
doing it, and he thought, therefore, the Hon.
Baronet ought, in point of candour and fairness, to
mate what the nature of these papers was, and the
use intended to be made of them, in order that the
friends of Earl St. Vinceat might move for other
papers, that may be deemed necessary to thew the
whole transaCtion in its true light, and that both
parties might appear before the public on equal
terms. He thought the Hon. Baronet had taken
as unfair advantage, is having made his motion the
other night at the time he diJ, and, if he had been
present, he would certainly have opposed it.
Sir A. HAMMOND denied having taken any
advantage in the tune he made his Motion the other
day. He had waited till near five o'clock, and the
full the time he made it. He
e moved for
Honourable
ed discus-
, of Na-
ptesent when

he made his Motion, no blame could be imputable
to him (Sir A. Hammond) on that account.
Mr. TIERNEY said, the Balite was fixed to
come on at four o'clock, and, according to the usage
and custont of the House, a ballot was always un-
derstood to be the first thing that was proceeded on.
Mr. Tierney was going on to state his being down
won after four, when he was interrupted by
The SPEAKER, who begged leave to remind
the House that there was no question before them,
and that of course such a conversation as this was
altogether irregular.
Mr. TIERNEY said, he should be sorry to be
guilty of any irregularity ; but he owned he wished
to know the objea of the papers moved for.
Sir A. HAMMOND said, he had been accused
of moving for papers without mentioning for what
use or purpose ; but he could fairly appeal to the
House, and remind them, that an Hon. Gentleman
opposite to him had some time past moved for a
great mass of Papers without near so much mention
or specification as he had made.
Mr. GREY said, that on Friday last, when the
Hon. Bart. made the Motion to which he had alluded,
the ballot was the first objed that was fixed for the
consideration of the House. and when he heard that
come on, he thought he had been present at the
commencement of the business. He waited till a
very late hour, in expectation of some such motion
being to be made, and, to his great surprise, learned
afterwards, that the Hon. Baronet had made his
motion before the ballot came on. It was of this
he complained in the first instance, and, in the next
of the general and indefinite terms in which the
motion was couched, vie. A Copy of the Hon.
Baronet's own letter, and the inclosures therein
contained, without saying what those were—what
their tendency—or for what purpose they were
moved. He looked on it to be intended as an at-
tack on the Noble Lord he had mentioned, whose
character stood so high with the public, as to be
above the dread of any attack ; but as he would
wish to have the benefit of all such documents as
might tend to clear it from all aspersions or insinu-
ations, it was impossible he could move for them,
without knowing the tendency of those documents
moved for by the Hon. Baronet. It was, therefore,
at present the inclination of his mind to move to
expunge that Motion, as he thought the whole
course of the proceeding perfectly uncandid and
unfair.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he wished the Hon. Gentleman who had jolt
sat down, would move to expunge the order which
had been made on the Hun. Baronet's motion ; hut
he would advise bins first to recollect, and consider
what that motion was. He would then find that it
was for a copy of a letter from the Comptroller of
the Navy, to the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry,
together with certain papers therein contained.
This letter was written for the purpose of explain-
ing his conduct relative to certain transattians, of
which they complained, and the papers inclosed
were meant to elucidate the stnjet. How was it
passible for the Hon. Baronet to exculpate himself
otherwise, and why was he to be censured for
having made his motion, because it happened to
bear against a Noble Earl, whom the lion. Gentle-
man had described to be above all inquiry. He
thought the Hon. Gentleman should recoilea, that
the Papers against which the Hon. Baronet meant
to justify his conduct, had been for some time before
the public, and might have made an unfavourable
impression against him. It was therefore very na-
tural he shoved wish to vindicate his charaCter, and
he could not do so but by moving for the Papers
which immediately related to the transaction.
Mr. GREY said, God forbid he should objet to
the produ6tion of Papers that were actually neces-
sary for any mm's justification. He only com-
plained of the Hon. Baronet for having moved ge-
nerally for his own letter, with inclosures, without
s ecifying what the documents are which were in-
closed, and he repeated that he thought this not
only unfair, but unprecedented. He did not know
of any case of a similar nature. If any person can,
by writing a letter to the Admiralty, get it, by mo-
tion,laid on the table of that House, nothing would
be easier than to make that a medium of circulating
libels of the most serious kind, and to an) extent.
Public rumour led him to suppose that this was
meant as an attack on the Noble Earl to whom he
had alluded ; and, as one of his friends, he wished
to be able to vindicate him against it. The Right
Hon. Gentleman had represented him as having
-said the Noble Earl was above inquiry, but he had
said no such thing. On the contrary, he said that
the Noble caul was above all attack, and challenged
inquiry.
Sir A. HAMMOND said, the lion. Gentleman
who had just sat down, objected to his having
moved for a copy of his own letter, because he was
a Member of Parliament ; he could not see it in this
light at all. He would, therefore, stare to the
House his reason for doing this. The whole of the
Eleventh Report was against the Comptroller of the
'Navy, which important office he had the honour to
fill. fie wrote to the Commissioners cm the sublet..
inclosed them documents to prove what he said, and
offered to be re-examined by them. Their answer
WAS, that having submitted their report to the Legis-
lature, theycould not take upon them to hear him any
further on the sublet. To this determination he had
submitted ; and as the situation of Comptroller of the
Navy was subordinate to the Admiralty, he had writ-
ten to the Lords of that Board, in order to exculpate
himself. and had inclosed in them the documents he
had antecedently sent to the Commissioners. This
ha had done, as he and the Earl of St. Vincent were
in suc i a situation as a man of honour cannot re-
tain without justifying himself. As he had under-
stood the Eleventh Report was to be brought under
the consideration of the House, he had moved for
those Papers, in order to their being printed and laid
before the public eye, the same as the Report had
been.
Mr. CREF.VY here broke in upon the argument
by observing that, in the present momentous and
eventful crisis, when the enemy's fleets were said to
be every where in motion ; and, it was necessary
there should be some person responsible for the con-
dna and management of our own ; he felt it his
duty. then, to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
whether that high and important office of First
Lord was get filled up, or, whether it still remain-
ed vacant
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
answered, that in the next Gazette it would appear

that office was fille up, ad that the saceessr of
Lord Melville wasd personn every way quadlifieod to
till thit high station. Ile believed this would he
universally allowed when he mentioned the name of
Sir Charles Middleton.
Mr. W. DICKINSON brought up a copy of the
letter from the Comptroller of the Navy to the
Commissioners of Naval inquiry, together with the
inclosures therein contained, pursuant to the order
of the House. On the question, that the title of
the papers be read, there appeared to be none to the
several inclosures. It was then moved, that the
papers be printed ; on which,
Mr. GREY rose, and submitted to the House
whether this was a fair proceeding ? even now they
could not tell what the papers were, for there was
no title to them.
Mr. TIERNEY observed, that the Hon. Bart.
had said, either be or the Noble Earl was in such a
situation as a man of honour cannot maintain ; if
so, it was certainly necessary the matter should be
fully and fairly investigated. He wished therefore
the papers might be permitted to lie on the table for
two days previous to their being printed, in order
that his noble friend might not be condemned un-
heard. If the business was to be brought before
Committee, then justice would be done to both par-
ties ; but in this way, a complete defence world be
made on one side, and all the seeming blame would
remain on the other party. He should, thetefore,
ohjed to the papers being printed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOUER
said, he thought the deduction of the Hon. ilentle-
man a very extraordinary one. There has already
been produced a paper, which has been for a con-
sideraltle time before the House, and the public,
charging the Comptroller of the Navy with a consi-
derable degree of culpability in his official station,
and that of great responsibility; he moves for a
paper to exculpate himself from the chtrge, and to
which the Noble Earl can have an opportunity to
answer; and for so doing—for an endeavour to jus-
tify himself in the eye of the public, he is accused of
having :idea unprecedently and unfairly. As to
the objedion to papers being produced, which may
convey an ex parte impression, it can have no weight,
for that sort of impression is more likely to have
been made on the other side. Previous to any mo-
tion, the Comptroller of the Navy wishes to have
papers that will exculpate him ; and the complaint
now is, that the terms of the motion for these pa-
pers are not explicit enough. He was sure the House
would recoiled instances of late, where motions had
been made, and even notices changed the very next
day after they were given, by Hon. Gentlemen on
the opposite said of the House. He therefore moved
that the papers be read.
Mt. FOX observed, that the House had fallen
into an irregularity the most extraordinary he had
ever heard of. The Hon. Baronet fancies himself
injured by the Report of the Commissioners, he
therefore movee for a copy of his own letter, with
the inclosures. What are they ? He should have
stated what the documents were, and then the
House could have jndged fairly. He lamented he
WAS not present when the motion was made for these
papers, or he should have objected to it at the time.
As the letter was the least part, and the inciostues
most important, he should have stated their nature
and tendency, and given them some title, that the
other party might have had the opportunity of mov-
ing fur other documents to countered them. To
have the comment when you cannot have the text,
was what he thought unfair, and would place the
House of Commons in a very inconvenient predica-
ment. The Right Honourable Gentleman had oh-
jedesi to an Honourable Member near him having
made two motions on the same subjcd. This
might not be agreeable to the eagerness of those
who wished to screen delinquents (a cry of
bear ! hear ! hcor ! ) ; those who were of opinion
Lord Melville had not violated the law, but was
only guilty in that degree, as might be the opinion
of the Committee of which he supposed they should
have the names that night (a lond and general cry if
hear! hear! bear.' ). Whether it was or was not
Agreeable, the justice of the House required that
Papers should not be printed which the other party
could not counterad. He denied that his Hen,
Friend (Mr. Grey) had ever said Earl St. Vincent
was above inquiry ; no man ought to be so ; but he
was sure the Noble Iterl's chat ader was above re-
proach, and, till a fair inquiry take place, it ought
to be protected by the House. Now, said he, these
documents have been produced, what are they ?
Documents in Sir A. Hammond's letter, without
name or title. The Right Hon. Gentleman has saki
they were consistent: how does he find it out? for
his part, he could not. He slid not care much whe-
ther they were printed or not ; but he thought tee
House had got into a difficult situation, from an
irregularity.
Mr. W. DICKINSON said, the Papers would
be named. One was a letter from Sir A. Ham.
mond, another from Mr. Tucker, and the others
all numbered, so as to be very well understood.
Mr. G. PONSONBY said, the Right Hun. Gent.
had moved that the Papers be read, but that cellist
not be, for they had no titles. The Hon. Baronet
has told the House, that the Report of the Naval
Commissioners is against his charatler ; that he
wishes to have that chereder cleared, and therefore
has moved for these papers, as he or Earl St. Vin-
cent is in a situation which a man of horear can-
not submit to remain in. Here is a direst attack on
the chara&er of Earl St. Vincent, and therefore he
ought to have an opportunity of justifying himself ;
and in order to do that, the justice of the House re-
quired that documents of any sort sbou'd he so
Clearly defined, as to enable Fall St. Vincent to
move for such other Papers as may be necessary to
enable him to defend himself.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL said, he had
cast his eye over the introductory letter of the Ho-
nourable Baronet, and he finds by it, that he had
been blamed for not having made communication
of certain circumstances to the First Lord under
whom he eded. The Honourable Baronet hid of-
fered to go once more before the Commissioners,
but was not permitted so to do. The papers re-
lic:bag on the Honourable Baronet had been long
on the table, and must of course opera'c against
him, and 1w could not see how papers exculpatory
of the Honourable Baronet should be more urjests
than against Earl St.Vincenr. He thought therefore
the papers ought to be read, and then the House
would know their contents.
kit. GREY complained that it had been uni-

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persuading them t. ~s leer
him wished to prey* t.. -,rent f tcln
the produaiou of Otireratitt... ,sillbiciftV say
cessary to vindicate bas der. 1i! was t the
case ; there was no Armament he wished lb keep
back, but would on ectntrary have all come for-
ward. These, how , Were of that extraordirtary
kind, that no one knew what they were They should
be fairly described, in order that the other party
might move for such other papers as would cone-
terael them, and thus both parties come into the
field on the same terms. it was necessary also b
lonk to dates ; the Eleventh Report was ordered to
be printed on the I I th of March, and it was not till
the 2.2 d of Aptil that Sir A. Hammond wrote to
the Admiralty, from which he thought it was a fair
inference that he w.* •te them for the purpose of after-
wards moving for those papers. He had no appre-
hension these papers could do any harm to Eat lii,
Vincent, bur he thought them too undefined. •
Sir A. 1-I.AMMON 1) said, it was very late ia,
March before he saw the 1 Rh Report, and in a day
or two afterwards he wrote to the Commissioner's
Ilis letter W:IS WI itten on the Ist of A; r 1, aid he de,
livered it himself. Not receiving an molter foe
some time, he communicated to the Board over
which he presides, what he had dom.. He received
a letter from the Commissioners on the 19th el
Aptil, and on the 9.2 d of the same month f.e mote
to the Admiralty. He could not have written a
day sooner.
Mr. KINN AI RD said, the Hon. Baronet had
referred to him as having made a motion for papers
without specifying the same; but, he denied the
felt, and aprealed to the House far the truth of hie ,
as .ertion .
The question was then put, and the Papers were
ordered to be read. They consisted of lettere, IT •:.,
No. I, to I'd. The first, or Nu. I. is the lets', ihd-
ed 212 d April, 1501, from Sir A. Hammond to the
Admiralty, in which he declares that he has o so,
documents to prove that Earl St. Vincent had a
knowledge of what, in his examination before the
Commissioners, he says he had not. Inclosed in
No. 1, is No. 42, velt:ch was a Copy of an Order
II om Lord Hobart to Sir A. Hammond, relative tie
choakin up the harbour of Boulogne. No. 3, a
Copy of-a Letter from the Earl of St. Vincent to Sir
A. Hammond, acknowledging the receipt of his let.•
ter, informing him of the oi der emceed to his care„
which, he u nibts not, will be Ably performed; but
as he informs him that the whole expense is to be
defrayed by the Treasure, he saw no reason whi 11
any communication should haws been made con
cerning it to the Admiralty. H.:, therefore, return
the letter, &c. to Sir A. Hammond. The othe
numbers are letters,from Mr.,.1. &dhows to Sit A .
Hammond, relative to the said expedition agains
Boulogne; till No. 11, which is Sir A. Hammond''
letter to the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry.
On the gees-inn that the papers be printed;
Mr. TIERN EY rose, and said, the House muo
be aware of the dark insinuation which was aimed a•
the high and eealtel charaaer of the Earl of St
Vincent. viz. that he had been guilty es' wilful pen
jury. Every one who really knew that Noble Earl,
InuSk Tialrealk-'hortn iiii;amailou with indignation, and
at the same time with contempta. far it :mid not b
supposed, that in +Mat he slid heisct alluded to fir
mere knowledge of the efteeditiois itsel% and the
he knew nothing of that, but merely that lAA,
not know any thing of the money waich teas t.
defray the expense of it. For his owl, v.:, I- t
Was at the tune in such a situation, t:.,.t !, I
could take upon him to aurora- from Isis oo• .
personal knowledge, that the Earl**. St. Were'
had never,.direetly or indirealy, eteuttenancid th i
application of money voted for the service of th i
Navy, to defray the expellee ni any other seryjc, ,
but had always protested avast such applicatioa,
money voted fur the Noy to any secret service
neither did he euthenist any officer in the service t
under, Ike such an expedition. On the contraio
he bad expressed hio opinion that it should be left ton
the smugglers, wean were better acquaintedirith the
coast, and sintation of the harbour of Boulogne.
He would r.ot say but that Lard Keith might
have been authorised to convoy any vessel that
was destined for that expedition, by Adininis.
tration ~ but he knew no Naval Officer was to be
emplr.yed in it by his consent. He alluded to the
qui.otion put to Earl St. Vincent by the Commis-
inmers—and insisted that, in his answer, he new
meant to swear he knew nothing about the moefel,
for, on Sir A. Hammond informing him of the,
order he had received, he returned for answer, that
" he had received his letter of yesterday, with a copy
of 'the order, which he had no doubt would he fait&
fully executed ; but, as the whole expense wa: to be
paid by the treasury, he saw no reams:, Way s'e bar
siness should have been communicated to the Aloe-
ralty, and therefore returned him his letter, order"
&c. Was it possible, said Mr. Tierney, for any
man more distinaly to wash his hands of any ' •
ness, than Earl St. Vincent did of this ? and he, insist
II that Earl St. Vincent never direaly or inpat
gave his consent to the espenee of :he execdition.
His precise situation was this ; as a seaman he
his advice on the probability or power of ch
Boulogne Harbour ; hut, as a faithful to •
and steward of the pu'ilic to Inc'.- he had reins/du
appropriate any part of what Parliament had
signed for the naval service, to be expeaded in of
other service..
Mr. CANNING said, he thought fail St. V
cent had been incorrea in his evidence.
Mr. FOX said, the Ruda Hon. Gent. hal
papers to produce, he was sure there wasn.fi ,
Vinionrceenrat'irs finriedencicsiacroiulTd :•I‘i.:lllt.liclfdtidheythu'lttand 111:3:1'.
in these that could militate against the Noble I!!!
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEV,
said, he thought, plainly, that Earl St. Vioc.
knew of ihe transaftion, and had, no (I‘j •
but that of diverting naval money to defray
pence' of other services.
Mr. GREY said, the Nnhle Earl, it was•
knew of Secret Service ; but. wh..n que3ront,
sett, jAil
Naval Money, he denied that he knew of,Ait i
'lgli
appropriated to any other sers-,ce then w'S
been voted for. .1'
wahstnr.otNoVnAl
yLtL.
Ataetke tl?ei
Funds.
Mr. GREY positively denied that.
c‘serritttt
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to . i,fil: tvntdree.si
Tue Cletk of the House then read the twold

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Mottle was very full at the time he made it
bad also plainly told the Howe that he mov
these Pape►s AS necessary to be read by Iloilo
Members previous to any consideration and i
Won of the 1 ith Report of the Cortisnissioners
val Inquiry. If the lion. Gent. WAS not pteseu
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