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/OR DUCIIIIIIICINO THU IITERIIT Or TWO LO•N.
Ist.—t Tax to assimilate the reweave Of the PostMifire
in Itched to that of EtsFla,s4l, by laOug lie Pettey of *Jai-
svaul patsgc oa every Letter—calculated to
podgier
dd--ls the Customs, as additioual Duty tot
Vs, maul/ it to alibis 3 per cost. of the duty
paid is Ragland
A Doty es Raisins sod Currants, which in En;.
bud last year produced a revalue of t7.l
of
.
bat ss the Irish people were sot so find
poldtsgs, be could set eapeet so much, and
would only vilituate the produce at ...
—Olt Stamps for Receipts to eqsalisa their
to what was paid let the other parts of the Em-
pire, sad for Advertisements is Newspapers to be
soled Ise is to Ss. These be calculated ought

proilsce
4th duty w►ich kc trusted they world all
grower is the ,•pedi►acy of, as it would fall
touch 'epos t►itoselm: It iris of 12 gniii#ns
per 120 us Spanish, sad 12 guisesa per toll ua
reeseh sines, w►h.h was Is. • sallou or 3.1 ■
bottle. Alter tbs., which he esatta•tc4 to pro-

duce
tbe duly would still be Ei guises, less Olga in
gratin.
Sth —1 small is by ',gelatin the storage is
lrelan.l.Tbis vonlilleilt•Solt le u7,u1“1 bat 9,01 I.
lieiag deducted der rest, thee would remain
6lb notecase of so percent. on the Win -
dosTaa. !tans sow vide ons.half of whit was psi,'
in Great Dritsin, and did Not teach any moiler 7
sioduiris..lie tressed, 'beret,. e, it could nut be
thought up;rressive. as, after being tail on, it
'Jul still be less tbas in Scitliud .

The Interest and Siekiwo.Prewd cm the of
10100401. Staub, burrowed this yeor,
Lc oefure stated, du5,7071. &Awls, 0,

60,000

10,000

30,n00

too,noo

18,40,

111,.1,01

L. J.JI,9fW

3.1.169

towiag• 'lupin, untouched, over ivivit wso
Mllt siolieleut to satiety the otterest, of L 6,771
He coach•ted, by rn•wing w emus of resfAuttuu•,
for imposnt4 these new tars.
01 the first resolution being ;mt.
•

Sir Jowl Nawrowe, before eu'entt': "PI) the
coooderatitio of the new taxes, caked the uttentaint
of the House to the circumstance. id Irelairdi nn
compared with former period.. IT! thil the., in
order that they might not be deliitle.l min self-de-
option; bat, being aware of the (Wilt:tittles that
asaited thou, prepare to face them fairly, before
they erre obliged to call on the people of Ireland
Of England to extricate Ahem, by the Imposition
of most grievous burdens. Io making this com-
asthma, lie objected to taking the period of the
Union as a fit criterion. The country had then
emerged oat of the rebellion of 1798, which
had unsettled the minds amen, autl laid their trade
awl commerce under great temporary disadvan-
tages. The fairer way was therefore to go to an
*swim period of tranquillity, and he would there-
fore a.sume the year 1794, as one of peace, and
immediately before the breaking out of the French
Revolution. From the comparison with this year,
he would shew what progress Ireland had actually
spade, and what * atatesman might; at that period,
have hero warranted in looking to for the public
*'trier, In 1794, the debt of Ireland was 1,641,8401.
of shit h the %mere .t, 114,0001. was all pant in the
'matey. In 1800, the debt hal risen to 23,100,0001.,
lairiest 1,238,0001. of n Inch 500,0001. wasp ii i out
of Inland. And in 1210, January last, tin debt
I. d1.000.0001e and the interest 3,941.0031 out
W which neatly 4,500,,100!. was pail in Great
ill inn, lit 1800, the iiii-oete was .2.761.6,101. ul
1vr5.4,417,0001. and in 1810, 4.-280,0001. Thus
t:..!e was on propottion betwe co the increase of
Wit and revenue. The deficiency of the latter lie
to a ;treat measure to the immense sums
expended in the mana4einent of public y. In
,'•7llral, the move the revenue increaNe.b, the pen-
'•n .inn of the alittrAes of wawa eeinent was less ;
but in Ireldiol, the n yt rap wits the case, awl tie
veater the ri %entre I,ecantp, the more io In "1"1"
"II were the charges augnatuted. They wt.-sr now
liar to two of what 111. y were in Piot). 'lli,.
,l'iihtsses. an the various years would still more tl-
:uitiate the state of the coisittry. In 1809. the
was 1,500.0001. in 1807, 76.5.0011 in "°°.
1. 'l7OlOl. aod in 1810, only 3.18,0001. ;0."1,4 u" lit
way, reels if the taxes were as pro:lir-Awe as
t' lii{ht Ilua. Gentleman *opposed, but of which
''as very doubtful, as !, 011 W of them, particularly
on wine, had been tr;cil and failed iii 180.5,
~•11 a decreased revenue, tiny 'o°lll4 shortly (lame
crisis, with olaserring upon whir h lie had
aa srli st he had to offer tin this ore anion. Willi
• to export% he also olile,7ted to the year
i• 4 criterion, :win dolt year,franti the depre-sion
Iv:. ,'I ia.acril, they were one million less than
!. IZI-2. they Wile 5,H17.0001. 611800
odds; and in 1810 nut more tams
aliove what they were in 17i12s Thirl
slaiaLo mitt• rs, lie "wild • ut..n lido no kinnputa-

lion of ideal values put on by the Inspector-G:tne-
nil. When in office, he had frequently field different
opinions front him. and fouled that his judgmea -.1
was not invariably to be token as a standard. As for
taking the Dublin Exports as the criterion, that was
us absurd as it would be to take the London pike
of corn as the general stand ad for the exportation
of that article throughout the country. Ile begged
,tot to be misunderstood on this topic : he considered
Ireland as productive, biomel the most smiguitie
hopes that could he funned. lie considered her
to he tepidly mere-n*l'lo hi internal cultivation, in
trade. iii enterprise. asset in commerce; insamucle
that he looked to her, in futurity, as ministering
to the want* of this couutry, hum the abundance
of her produce. lie had recommended the mea-
sure of permitting the coasting tiade, in corn, be-
tween the two countries ; and experience had
proved that it was founded in wisdom ; for, last
year, the export of Ireland, independent of other
grant, wea, in oats alone, 782,000 quarters, or tier
times the amount of what it was iu the year
previous to reinaving the bar, MIS. Ile trusted
this would induce tOe House to throw clowis the
remaining impedinseuts, and make the ports of
the two countries as one grand depot. of every
species of merchandise, fur the United Empire.—
If so, 7-10ths of this country's whole drniund in
grain, so far from beiug to seek in foreign porta.
might be expected from Ireland. Beside. this its-
crease, he had the satisfaction to noece a corre-
sponding increase in bacon and pork. lie would now
proceed to the rousideratiou of the new taxes, but
first begged to put the House on its guard 'aguinst
any espectatiun of increase in the revenue to pro-
vide for lief interest of the loan, after the disap-
pointment they had suffered last year. The Right
Honourable Gentleman had then calculated, that
the prohibition of the ost of raw malt in the dis-
tilleries, would produce 2.04,0001. He had ex-
pressed his suprise at this extrwtagant calculation,
and the event proved be was right, for the measure
produced only 50,0001. It was somewhinsinsilarwith
the apirit duties, which were to produeeN,oool. but
did not raise one shilling. It was from these failures
that they were tole compelled to provide for two years
instead-of one. The Right lion. Gentlemen took
the revenue at 5,000,0001.: he was at a loss to
know on what data he proceeded, as at no time
previous to last year had it ever amounted to so
much ; and last year, as lie had already stated, the
new measures entirely failed. It could not be
founded on au expected increase of the distilleries,
as whatever was gained mater that description,
would becounter-balanced by a loss in the Citations, .1
on the importation of foreiga ',pints. The that of
the new taxes enumerated was the addition ou the
postage of letters. lit 1805 the Right lion. Grin.
had tried this, in spite of all his endeavours to shew
him, that, in finance, it was not always that 2 and 2
unite 4. It was true, the revenue of the Post-
Office had since increased ; hut, lie contended, it
was iird in consequence of the addition then laid on
(on tits' cootiary, it would have been snore, had
only one-hut f been imposed). but from ether gene.
nil causes. 'Hie Right Hon. Grath MOD Cuss ton-
taken in thiakieg, heeause a tax produced in
comitry, it would also be productive in Ire-
land. A sICII couistry alight support that which,
in a poorer country. would cause a decrease: and
this, lie believed, would he the fate of this tax; •
*tech, by d 111 l inishing the correspondence in Ire-
would lower the revenue from what it now
wa., rather than augnieut it. With respect to the
Of item, the eilditimiel duty on tea; he was
equally surprised at that. Wny would the Right 1
Hod. Gentleman cause this period to lay another
impost on the main pillar of the Customs ? It had
d-creased 60,000 i. in 500,000% last year, and yet
ties was the time chosen to add &mother burden to a '
falling duty, in order to render it mote productive.
As for the raisins and currants, they were not worth
adverting to. It was well known that those articles
only would be productive- to taxation which were
the consumption of the people. Now, it was ac-
kisowledged and known, that these articles formed
uo tauten:ll part of the consumption of the Irish
tuition. They we-e hot so" food of puddings,
&o. as the people of this cumitry ; and even
those who could afford it, seldom had them used
in dishes for their tables. With respect to the
additional dusty on receipt stamps, he thought it
the most injudiciona tax that could be devitied.
Already this tax was so much eluded, that it did
not produce I-10th of what it ought to produce.
IVhy then augment it. and give another in-
ducement for defrauding the revenue ? The rise
on the newspaper advertisement duty. too, in his
opinion, would defeat its own object ; for even at the
present duty, 2-3ile of the business of the country
was done by the eirrulatiou of haul-lilts; a prac-
tice *itch would, sit cooseque.,i,e of th:s new
imposition, be the more gee, He was V)
conduced rf this, that he o al-I cledge himself;
that, with the new dote, ti.e ire, i:•1-• would be
Ices than it was at t;t mu meat. f f' now came
to the wioe duty ; and really out I lc ve thought
that the exoe, ic:irs of te.94 3 ive taught
the Right Ilo,:.(;,,,aleaveili to aue:n.ii lr •.1 that tax.
At that period liv 11.1i1 neen, it-i d•freallty, dis-
suaded from laying on 3 linty f'S the extent he in-
tended, on the st dement of a very liitelligent mer-
chant, a Member of the !louse, wire declared that
he would thereby Iteirrior.kte the revenue. To a
reitaiii ele4ree lie hail yielded to these represents•
lion., and laid on only tote-half of what he lint
proposed. The consequence was an astonishing
decrease of revenue ; anal it was three years be-fare it
amounted to the point from whence it set out ; and
again it had diminished. In 1400 the duty on port
amounted to 277,4701. and su 1810 to 196,7001.
being a decrease of 110,0001. In French wines
there was an increase of about 30001.; and also, in
Spanish wine, of .50,0001. On the whole, the de-
crea-e wits 10,0001. With this before his eyes, how
could the Right lion. Geutleman calculate on his
new duty producing 100,0001. or rather more than
one-fourth of the present produce ? %VA respect
to the storage duty. it was Not worth attention, and
he vemlel only say, unless better regulations were
adopted in that matt r, it would only turn out a
burden upon trade, without benefiting the revenue.
The Nat of these taxes was that of so per cent
addition on windows. Ti,ii 'night prodttee what
was expected, 'or tar, or three years ; but it would
be a liesory hurtle.% on persons livi,ig in towns, and
small shopkeepers. with [tenses liatenz inure times
seven wlsidu IS. lie was _>irous that all levee

lad on might ha pritaivtive; but it surely could
not be the wish of Parliament to lessenstlie Cosu-
forts that the lower orders enjoyed. What he had
said on these points were mere suggrabous. He
did nut mean to urge any Captious injections to the
taxes proposed by the Right Honourable Gentle.
man, but to put the actual state of the case before
the House, and not allow them to be buoyed up
with titl-e expectation% The Night lion. Geol.,
in addition to this, had stated, as our of his C 011.141.
latmos, that there was uo Boating debt in Ireland.
This was true, nor would the circumstances of
the country admit of such a thing. Having stated
this much, lie begged portion for • few inotneuts
longer, while lie pointed out what might have been
and what might be made available for public pur-
poses. before new bur dens were laid on the people.
The renewal of the Batik Charter might have been
granted at a rate which would have produced a
iund for the service of the country; but, instead of
that, it was given away almost gratis, for tke loan
of one nullion, at as high a rate of interest u it
wou!tl have beta lent to individuals, and for
small alteraion in the maaagement.—A stim
greater than at present might be received cat of
the ditties en raw iron imported from this country.
The 10 per cent. custom duty was calculated to
produce 53,0001. but, instead of that. by some iniz-
inatiagement, it produced only 17,04101. He called
ou the Right Pion. fientlernan to turn his atieuhon
to this subject. The only other eircumetince of
this kind he would now. notice, was the great bs.
Inners rellialtling doe flout dead and dymils ed col-
lectors. The amount was 11141111t11Se ; %WI; from
knowing that many of the sums Wight easily be re-
covered, and applied to the public ow, before new
taxes were devised, he could only impute their long
out.-tauding to the remissive•s of the eget:t4 aid soh-
citors employed. In mentioning these balances. he
hogged to be understood as meaning nothing invi-
dious to any individual. In the 161 he found
Time Fin of (lancet fur Galway
Mr.Sbaw of Cur kosith Mr. Luke White fur his
seeurit y
The late Mr Lysuelmt, who died iii 17990,01.0 M
children, and tearing( ameat personal ymuperty,
Lord Lisle his servility and Execntur o,soo
Mr. Connor, Cork 19,000
Mr. Connor, he understood, Lad been brought
back from Scotland, (after carrying oil 70,0001.
besides the shove,) and imprisoned, but since set
at large. Why was this? Was it that be was as
noted for In. loyalty, as his two other brothers were
in another line?
Mr. Wooer, of Wielbsseisegli....
Mr. Augustine Fitagerald, with Lurd Longue-
vine fur his security_

7,411 U

111,000

Mr. 'barium, ail' Ennio l,loo
Mao) 4.1 they& he was sure might be very readily got;
land though there were minty others which iu a list
lie hail seen of the Solicitor's were termed desperate,
in contradistinction to those he pronounced to be
operate, hut from which nothing but hopes had yet
arisen, be believed the Solicitors took no steps
but to keep the suits alive, and take the expenses
out of the public purse. ilr. Welsh, of Nan, wn
another ; but the Crown had a lien on an estate he
wish. d to s-11. And he (Sir J. N.) trusted they
wools.' not enable the titles to be made out, tilt the
balance was discharged. Ile again guarded himself
aviiist meaning any Ching invidious. He had only
done his duty is pointing out what might be reco-
vered fur the public use, before direct taxes
were resorted to. Also to direct their attention
to the enormous expense of managemeut iu
the puhl.c money, and to a vigilant check upon
Collectors of pubic money, to prevent em-
bezzlement, or making away with the money in
their hands. He was aware the Right Ilenourable
Gentlest-ins Ind to struggle with the delays of law ;
but there were excuser made fn• the solicitors arid
agent., which ought not to be uclimtted. 'l•he
growing debt, in proportion to the revenue, filled
him vials apprehens.on ; and, he feared, if not
timely looked to, it would come to au alarming
height hereafter, ax.d be inure difficult to overcome.
The quota charged on Ireland, by the Uniais, was
too much. It might be 'Mil. the bargain was
made, and they must abide by it. This was true :
but a hew,' bargain iirght have been made; and,
if it was * bad one, the loss, in the end, would tall
on those who imposed it. The Right Honourable
Gentleman concluded with warm recommenda-
tion -of residence, in the coantry, to the Gentry of
Ireland, as the sorest means of promoting her pro-
sperity and happiness.
Mr. R. SHAW explained the reason of the ba-
lacce standing against hlr.Slinw. The ve►y day of
his death lie (Mr. R. Shea) had remitted all the ba-
lance due, and thought every thing settled. A con-
enterable tissue afterwards, however, a demand for old
surcharges mill other outstanding sums was made
on Mr. ;haw's widow. Sonic correspondence took
and all they required was an account, to he
submitted to the Pro-collector; and they were re .dy
to pay whatever was due the moment it was ascer-
_ _

Mr. W. Pot.% had ingnired into the balances of
Mr. Moore mud Mr. Connor. The former was in
tilt course of being settled, as soon as the actual
account could be ■rcertained. In the latter, tl:e
Law Officers of the Crown were proceeding in the
regular way for it. recovery.
Sir J. Nca roar t xplainerl. Ile repeated that
he meant nothing invidious or disrespectful to any
individual, and was aware that many errors had
Crel t into these accounts. _

111 r. Fustaa, in rribl), stated, that the Rt. lion.

Barron t was much mistaken in many cases re-
spectincr the Collector's Balances. The tird was
that of Mr. French, which was tried by a jury,
which "truck off 9,0001. and if that of Mr. Shaw
was tried, it would probably end in the same way.
Many of the (brow., upon the present Collectors
had been Landed down through three or four ge-
nerations, and means were now taken to remove
those fictitious balances. Last year leave was
given to bring in a Bill enabling the Commis-
sioners of Inquiry to take each ;objects into
their considerat ; so that hereafter they would
be provided against. Up to the 14th of WI
the balance of cash in the hattls of the
Collectors of Customs in Ireland, was 17,0001.; in
ten days after the statement was made, 11,0001.
had been remitted ; so that there remained at pre.
.rat <hay 6,0001. 1110 that, by s!r4:l,e coincidence,
w.is in the hands of the Colley iLe s.f ‘Vaterford.
A. to the money charged upon Mr. Centior, it con.
sided chiefly of fictitious balances; that against
1 Mr. C!IICHY of suit hay% Ile 21'. Foster)

adopted in his estimates the some years which hie
Right lino Friend (Mr. Pereevel) IDA takes wriest
regard to Fontlead. The Duey epos Malt is the
course of last year was 46,0001. which wee all paw_
deiced by the brewers.* sto stills had worked.-.-
The Right lion. Bernina had said, that sowesel
Duties bad not ben, prodociive; smengarhich he
enumerated the Duty on Spirits. h was tree that
bail not produced ; but the reason had hems tisat
doitillitiou was prevented by Act of Parliammot.
He had objected to the Post.olfice .Revenue, be-
cause it had not overland the first year in which he
(Mr. Poster) proposed au increase, hut it hod pro.
duced every year since, which was a andlintent
groused for resorting to it *gale. The objectivists
the Duty upon Pun Wine was, that the use nt.thet
article had dee reseed. in consequence of the Pre.
seat weight of duty ; but this decrees. else owl, Iss
appearae,ce. The Spanish wine was included with
the Poet form, sly. until the exclusive duty
made it ceci miry to divide them nudes sepa-
rate buds, so that in reality there was an
des r a-e in the mower lots of. Port Wits,,
though. upon Int viee. it right appose
that ibe:e WA& The Biome Doty had been as.
ticed as a letird.bep; but oh. • t ley reflected ea
the I.,re.t banal ell i:h the tws4iluat derived from
the ',atria of t .Ong. they lo 04 not mgrse in spch
an opinion. Tb ta,ea, 'shish he proposed. were
those which as p Arra to his jn.lgement beet mks-
I.ted to prom. t• tl e ohje, t i view ; and if the
Hight Hose. lia.t. c. old sui:ges. any that w.
should I me no Alec i..n to adopt them.

Sir JOHN Ntwronr espietned.
Mr. HanttiG wished that a vim tax ahn,dej brkj I
on lr.laud, in con,equence of the great. Iturdon
imposed opcia this country in proyiding for site
discharge of hi r debt. There woe uo good %di t... 0
spare lietwero the two countries. He comoode4
strongly fur the policy of borrowi-ig in In la 4. no-
ther than have her a debtor to this conutry ; and
thought that the terms upon which the ioao woo
offered last year were fair. • . ••
Mr. FOSTER SA& that the We at which the
Loan was offered in Ireland was eight or ;limo pee
Cent. leas Ctrs that which he bad obtained besee...
If they proceeded to tax Ireland so far as to intro.
fere with her industry. then indeed the gook) be-
come a henry load upon this country ; bath get.
Mg two:. livr credit. she might. in time, be
hear her part iu coati ilattiaig to the general roper
dilute.

After a few words front Mr. Hoetect. Mr. Fl/.
Tea. end Sot Joey Nswrear, the Resolutions
were agreed to. sod the Report ordered I. Wee.
crivrtl te.rliorrow.

Mr. BANK'S postposed the Report of the Poblie
Expenditure BM till to-maorro*.

DROITS OP ADMIRALTY.

Mr. Timmer rolled the attention of the deuce
to the Annuity rioted to his Serene Highness the
Duke of Brunswick. He had a paper now in hls
hand, containing the amount of the Ornita of Ad-
miralty, which he regretted was not sufficiently .
the possesaiou of Members. From this it appeared.
that 342,0001, remained yet at the disposal of Hip
Majesty. He thought that he and the House would
have been saved the trouble et this discussion by
His Majesty's Ministers, especially after the smell
majority that supported them. when hr hod brought
the question under the cousideratton of the Honer
Wore. He had every respect for the Duke of
Brunswick, and approved as much as any emu of
the propriety of making a provisioa for him; hut
the only question was, whether the Crown had not
the means or msk,u4 such provision. without tit!-
ding to the burdens of the public 11 The Cis il List
butt increased in the last six years; and Coo aim
four and half per cents. which rendered it the name
surprisiug that Ministers should have advised the
prevent demand; and he could not imagine any
say in will, h it would be so gratifying to His Ma-
jesty's feelings to ai.piy the Droits of Admiralty.
His Majesty had already appropriated that fund to
providing for the Duke of Cumberland. and others
of the Royal Family. ‘Vhat I.? (Mr. Tierney)
wanted, ens to have a certain sum, about 70,0001.
paid out of the prints of Admiralty into the Con-
solidated Fund, to m ike good the annuity to his
Serene Ilightisss. Ai he was not aware of any
objection, he should content Ininself with tooting
for an address to His Majesty. representing, that
in compliance with His Majesty's Message, his
faithful Commons had granted 70001. a year onto,'
the Consolidated Fund to his Serene Highness the
Duke of Brunswick ; that finding there woe up.
wards of 34g,0001. remaining of the Droits of Ad-
miralty, they were surprised that Ministers should
advise an addition to the burdens of the ramie.
And, in couscquence of the pressure ender Wadi
they at present laboured. praying that he would
direct lobe paid into the Consolidated Fund. sou*
adequate to the discharge of the annuity.
The CHARCIA.LOR of the Rialto= thought.
that if the House was to he of opinion that it use
necessary to address Ilia Majesty for any assistance
from the Dream of Admiralty to the Consolidated
Fund, it would be better to apply without any re-
ference to the grant to the Duke of Brunswick,
Ile was persuaded that the House would see the
propriety of rejecting a motion which, though
couched in Parliamentary language. animated I i•
reproach, at a time when there was au account Ind
before them. which mast *hew that no applieetioa
was made of the fund, of which they culla disap-
prove. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that
Ministers ought to have spared the House that
question, and taken a hint from the vote of a forma
night. At the time that that vote was come to,
there was no account before the House, es there
We, now ; and certain ansimmuions hod produced

their effect upon the decision. They could now see
how the 7.000.0001. was applied. and would ants
under different imprersions. In the years )796 and
1797. 000.0001. had been printed ; and in Mr.
Pitt's last administration. 1,000.0001. lathe eisnrse
of loot year 338.3211. vas paid to the Danish Cum.
mi..ioners; 110.0001. was also paid. and 40,0001•
into the four and half per cents. Them were whew
sums. which made the entire stowent of the poy.
mews 6.108,0001. If Gentlemen entertained the
(Tinton thin .t would be possible to draw nay solo.
once upon such occa.ions from the civil list. he was
sorry to say that they were mistaken ; for the pen.
vision of the civil list was by no mons 'goal to he
charge. In proof of this asserting. he instanced a
grim of 190,0001, by the last Administration. en t
of th- Drints of Admiralty ; and also of 30,0t111.

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out of the Scotch revenge, towards the debts of the
civil list. There was a deficiency in the civil list
of from 201. to 30,0001. a quarter. It would, there-
` fore, have been idle to Ministers to maker sliew of
7,• liberality, when they would be obliged to come to
Parliament soot, lifter, to require indeutuitiertion.
Besides, it was His Malest) * wish that the part of
the Palace which had been destroyed by fire-should
be rebuilt; so that between it and the civil hat the
whole fund would be appropriated. It there was
any suspicion of misapplication, it would be right
to agree to such an address; but this would lie a
strange occasion, when there was a statement be-
fore the House to prove the contrary.
Mr. FRIRHAN said, that the Civil List was al-
ways au object of jealousy. It was right that the
House should know how the money was expended.
Me disputed the statement of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer ; and maititaiued that- the Civil List
amounted to 1,100,0001. Steps had been taken
by the last Administration to reduce the expendi.
tare within the sum limited, and he was persuaded,
notwithstanding the statement of the Right lion.
Gentleman, that it was practicable. He did not
see why a portion of the Exchequer Bills should
Dot be applied to pay the 70,0001. into the Consoli-
dated Fund. If it was asked why they should re-
sort to such expedients at this moment ? the reason
was because the pressure of the burdens upon the
country required it.
The Cuseceesoa of the EXCHEQUER explained.
Mr. G. Rose said, that it the King had retained
his hereditary revenue, there would have been no
necessity fur applying to Parliament ; and com-
puted, that, from the increase of price in all arti-
cles, 11,0001. now was not more than equivalent to
8,0001. formerly.
Mr. EREEVEY supported the Address, and con-
tended that the Droita of the Admiralty ought not
to be applied to the Civil List, for that list ought
not to be in arrear. But it was easily accounted
for, when so many Hon. Gentlemen had pensions;
Mr. Lone, General Craufurd, and the relations of
Mr. Caneing, and soy should it net be also bur-
dened sib the provision for His Majesty's nephew?
He could not consent that • aunt of 400,0001.
should be in embryo to aid Members of Parliament
who were at the wink of the Minister. The public
would feel jealous, when they 'rented that Sir
Home Popham had receiv. d 21,0001. besides 5001.
per annum secured in the 41 per Cuts. ; which, in
his opinion, he did not deserve; and the greater
part of the imputation of the country were of his
opinion ; under these consid.o.itions, he could not
see what objection there con? • be to the Address.
Mr. LONG said, he was willing to meet Vat Hon,
Gent. who spoke last, in every argumeur he had
adduced ; for instance, the Scotch Pensions had a
right to lie granted on either the four and a half
per Cents. or the Civil List. The Honourable
Gentle roan (lint for the first time) had introduced
hie fume and petvion. lie could inform hint, it
wrs,giveo fur his services, as Secretary to the Trea-
sury : and he was at liberty to make ose of all his
inger.uity ; yet he would bud that he (Mr. L.) had
received more tem it..eratioo than airy id his pride •
teatimes. He ackii iwledged. that lie owed nisi.
to the great, awl ever-tu-be lamented Mr. Poi ;
but that great Statesman, in Isis friendship, d•d
nut intend that Er (Mr. L.) should be hrought iwto
derision. It was necessary to take from the four
and a half per Cents. to relieve the List ; oat
which account the 1.11- oiis of the Admit de: were the
only proper fund to replace it.
Mr. CRIETET, iu said, he had never
contended that the pensions were uumcrttedly be-
stowed.
Mr. Bloat:it ill contend: (1, that although they
addrrrsed Hi. Majesty in form, they were in sub.
stance additssinij his Miuisters. He was ready to ad-
mit, no groom misapplication had been mark of the
Limits of theAdnisralty ; but it isppeared, that while
the people were oppressed with taws, the Crown
bell a distinct ?mid. and 400,0001 remained in
that fund. Take 00 or 70,0001. .or %Volley and
Spedihng, and 140,0001. for contingenciee, there
would remain 100,0001. and all that was asked for
was seventy thousand 'pounds, which would leave
sit overplus. And what was it asked for ?
To purchase au annuity for the King's Nephew.
Was this a sum of money to be entrooted to fillai-
stem without a cheek. The late King died with
700.0001. in his poligeosion, from the same source ;
but His present Majesty was grimiuusly pledged
to hand it over to the pohlic secomit. Then this
sheers that the Monarch, tit an early period, knew
when this fond should be properly appropr.a•ed ;
and if his Ministers did not think proper to give
loins proper advice, it was the duly of that House
to do it.
Mr. PERCE•ef. spoke in explanation.
Mr. STEPHEN committed this as an abstract
question from the Duke of Brunswick's amino).
The question was, whether there was • suffieient
sum to' meet all cantingencies ? Bet, to use the
language of the Honourable Gentleman opposite,
if we dun't go too far, we don't go far enough. He
would ask, if the Crown had not the means of pro.
tecting meritorious NtivalOffirerswhat would be the
eonsarpiences ?—They cannot alive), avoid mis-
takes. Perhaps they might capture a neutral nutter
suspicious circumstances, which would he con-
demned in either the East or West Indies, and the
prize money distributed; the owner might appeal
to the superior Court in this country, and be or-
dered restoration. If the Crown did not inter•
fere, the Officer world speud the remaieder of his
dal.* in prison for a debt that he involved him-
self with for the benefit of his country ; and the
only fund the Crown had for this purpose was the
Droita of the Admiralty. He denied that the
fund would increase. for it was only at the be-
g • gof a war that it became strong. Under
these considerations he would vote agaiust the Ad-
dress.
Mr. wog happy to find that it hod
tamed nut that there was • sum of Jiammot. more
than suffictent to purchase the annuity for his Se-
rene Ilighoesa. It was an aficr-thought, the sum
of 40,0001. towards building the palace at St.
James's; if they got into brick and motion.,
they would find 70,0001. would not be sufficient.
Another item, the slips taken in the West Indies,
would amount to 140.00411. Was it reasonable.
Met the country should he sumwersble, Localise the
captors pot the prim...yds unto the hands of
insol-
vents? It had heels •4111, will you thew asp. r-
upon the King? Ile would answer not;

for he itas as much answerable as he seas for hit
speech to Parliament, which was that of hia MI niti.
t.terß. He could see no good reason why the pen-
sion of the Duke of Brunswick should not be paid
from the Droits of the Admiralty. Ile understood
when the pension was given to the Honourable
Gentleman, Mr. Long, of L'ionl. per annum, he
was only to receive it until he lied a situation of
20001. per annum. Ile would ask him, had he
not that salary now? and whether he had given
up the pension ? The Droits of the Admiralty
were never intended for the huildiag of palaces,
nor for patios off the Civil List. It was the duty
of His Majesty's Ministers, when they found
the civil list get above the stun allotted, to have
contronled it. In bad times, under a bad
King, and bad Ministers, this may he a precedent
for them to continue the war, to make Droits of
the Admiralty. The grant to S:r Home Popham
was not made by that House, and never could have
been made by it, for he did not deserve it. The
motion of his Bight lion. Friend (Mr. Tierney)
had one good effect, for it put them in possession
how the King paid his favourites; but few would
have believed it was from the Droits of the Ad-
miralty.
Mr. LONG, in explanation, said, that on the pen.
sion being first proposed to him, he suggested the
clause, that it should cease when he derived an
emolument of 2,0001. a year from au official situa-
tion under the Crown. The moment his income
rose to that amount he made his scruples known to
His Majesty, as to the propriety of receiving the
pension, and His Majesty was graciously pleased
to issue his warrant that he should receive it.

Mr. TIIIIII9If replied in au eloquent speech, re-
plete with argument.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw. The House
dit ided, wheu there appeared,

Ayes 7 5
Noes lul
Majority against die Address 26

_
Mr. Po NSO MIT mentioned in the Lobby, that
Mr. Bankea's guinea would certainly come no to-
morrow.

Strangers were not re-admitted, but we under-
stand the other Orders of the Day were d,sposed
Adjourned at HALF-PAIIT ONI O'CLOCK.

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