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, • ink. ites Lordship )U3- hid -ti,e seawall in li.. s
custody ever'idece Ste Signature and the Sell, form
of it, and spirit of the Ad of Parliament, *flowed
;him to Wed the most convenient opportunity of
publishing it at Calcutta. in order to avoid that
anarchy which the Noble Lord who bad last
spoken had alluded to.
Lord ELDON rose to express his opinion of
what bad just fallen from the Noble Lord (Minto.)
He was sore that that NOble Lord's condi:el would
not bear the test of inquiry : but that he had pro-
ceeded in a course which he (Lord lildon) could
prove might be attended with the most fatal con-
sequences.• With resped to the appointment of the
Judges in India, a clause was provided in the war-
rants, permitting a delay ; but when His Majlsty's
warrant did not say the commencement of its effect
might be procrastinated, it might immediately to be
carried into etecution ; otherwise His Majesty's in-
teistion would not be carried into effect nll it was
the pleasure of the Secretary to publish it.—Nis
Lordship concluded by observing, that he merely
rose to speak ot this point, thinking it proper that
what had been advanced by the Noble Lord
(Minos) should not pass unnoticed.
The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE thought
the speech of the Noble Viscount (Melville),
,I calculated to have a very bad effect ; and he
s the more surprised to hear his Lordship advance
at be had that night, as whilst himself was at the
d of the affairs in India, he would not suffer a
ant of the Company to have the government of
t country for a few months, intervening the re-
don of Sir George Shore, and the appoint-
of Marquis Wellesley; but sent out a warrant
the Commander in Chief, to assume the funftions
anvellOr-General, pro tampon; nor would he
permit the Government of Madras to devolve
him (Pul of Buckinghamshire). These were
ng indications of the Noble Viscount having
d, whilst himself in power, upon the principle,
t it was dangerous to allow the Company's ser-
ts to have the Goverulment. Haying made
se observations, he would trespass no further
n their Lord.bips ; but the weight of the
le Viscount's sentiments, upon all subjeas con-
,
ted with India, required that this antidote should
nmpany part of what he had urged to-night.
. Viscount MELVILLE, in reply, said, that the
Me Earl was mistaken, as the case of the
of Sir Ceorge Barlow, And that •to
ieb bia Lordship bad allirded; were net mato-
r it was on account of a raimndesstanding
tram that Noble Earl and Lord Teignosouth,
t he had not been appointed Governor, and not
the principle he had . mourned. lie (Viscount
• ), wholly denied what had been advanced
the Noble Earl, and a Noble Baron ' (Lord
ultras), that he had ever said, a paean having
conneded with the Eatt India Company,
was therefore dioqualified for the office of Go-
'ifernor-General ; he had merely said, that a
son possessing the requisite qualifications, and
hoist that connection, would be unwarped by pre-
ice. It had never entered into his imagination
_ exclude any one floes the appointment, because
was a Company's servant, and the appointments
had made, would confirm the assertion. He had
'4, and still maintained, that in the course pur-
l.
in.the eapereession of Sir George Barlow, there
an blame of the Act, and what had been ad-
had rather confirmed than re-
If there - before •

to-night, _
his auspicious. was _..oe no
ground of suspicion, there was one now that it was
avowed that the warrant was withheld after it had
been obtained from His Majesty..
'.OUGH said,

Lord EL LENLIORs..— ___ that the op
tion of the warrant only commenced in point of I '''•
Cram its promulgation abroad, and did not sus
the funSiens, or tuvalidate the ails of officers, u
that tiros ; and. far obvious reasons. as, if it
otherwise, in ease of an a; is ut;on succeeding
date of the warrant. a Judge might be guilty of
crime of murder. Its proMulgation was to be
convenient time, and not i:nttl another Gove
was appointed.
Lord ELDON thought the clauses of the warn
did not authorise its delay.
Lord REDESDALE said, it was highly ins
per to procure the execution of such a warrant,
was not to be carried into execution. It was ne •
sary, that in eight days after its execution. it
be communicated to the Court of Directors;
they did not. in two months, appoint a Cove
General instead of the person recalled, the ap
ment lapsed to the Crown. He thought the pa
gloved for ought in justice to be produced, and
his hearty concurrence to the motion.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, if there
was any fault, it was the fault of the Aft of Par:is-
meat ; and he could not, without surprise, hear
great Law Authorities propounding the law, as
sense of them bad done to-night. Their construc-
tion airless a quibble, which their Lordships would
bewasitihirtheir time to attend to. He thought the
speech of the Noble Viscount (Melville) embraced
' much dangerous matter. In the supercession of
11reiorga Barlow, there was only an exercise of
die usual prerogative; and he could not conceive
Whylirese was to be au inquiry into the cause of it,
lily Islam than there should be, if His Majesty
were to night to exercise his undisputed prerogative
of dismissing him (the Lord Chancellor) from the
office be filled. These motions were of a n.tture
that should prevent their being made. Without one
fad established, this debate would be taken out in
the first ship that sailed for India, and would create
an improper and injurious sensation. The con-
struction attempted to be put upon the AB, was
conundrum • if it would bear to be so construited it.
would justify a new A.
Lord ELDON said, if the Noble Lord on the
woolsa'ck called the assumption of a power little
less than regal, a conundrum. he should think it
right distimitly to bring the subjee before the House.
The Earl of ROSSLYN said, the ACt evidently
gave a power which was to be eacrcised at pleasure,
and upon the advice, and at the discretion of His
Majesty's Ministers, like all other exertions of pm
rogative. He thought itcoold not be meant to be
asserted, that if a ship sailed on the 9th day after
the signature of the warrant, it was the duty of
Ministers to send it out, and thus create an inter-
regattas in India, until a new Governor General was
appointed and could arrive there.
The three questions were then put, and nega-
tived without a division.

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The ~.Irl a ,tv .tt:Txrlan4 preseitga a Petition
from certein,Weat India Platitersafgelpit the Slave
Carrying Itestritliiin Rill, arid praying to be heard
by Counsel.--Ordered that the Petition do. lie ors
the Table, and that the said Bill be read a second
;lots or Friday, when the Counsel are. to,he heard.
Acijotirned, at half past Ten o'clock, till-to Eliot..
row.
11011 SE or commortt.

Sir John Sinelair brought up the Report of the Committee
on i lie Northein Lint Houses; width was ordered to be re-
ferred in a Common:roof the whole House to-morrow.
Ina Cont.:deed on GOVI!1.1% DI VOICI Bid. the eedenes ne-
cessary for the pu..pme was produced, add the Report ordered
to be received to-morrow.
Sir J. Sinclair brought In a Bill for taking down the Exche-
quer (numbers in SG-se:rid, and erecting now 01101 out of the
surplus piuduce of the forfeited ertates.—*Read a Hit time;
steam' time tn.oneriner.
The We:tweeter Hell Aeonties Improvement Bill was read
a third time, and passed.
thelhßgerßeenParterts of the
ItroblaCrid7was4tags3reo:d it
,1/2h the
and bettera
B So
orderedl le. i n tit:,
be brought in upon it.
Sir John Sinclair brought in a Bill (or rrgolating the Car-
riage of Outside Pamengsrs oe Stare COICiIIS ; which was
read a ten, and ordered to be read a sowed bite um Thursday,
and it/ be piloted.
The London and Westminster Inland Coal Nasigstion Ili I.
was reported, and ordered to be road a third time to-morrow: : I
Mr. Hoblinuse brought up the reports of the Committees sr
Supply and Ways and Means, of yestindsy, which were agreed
to, and Bills ordered to he I:rodeo tc upon them.
The Naomi Duty Bel was read a third time and pared.
Sir'. Sinclair briinglit in a Bill for appropriating paned' the
Balances of Forfeited Estates in &Wood, to the use of the
Osinniissiontrs of Highway.; and Bridges its that country ;
read a deei time ; owned time tomorrow.
The Lottery Bill was read a tint time; second time to-nor-
raw.
Mr. Hothouse brought up the report of the Committee for
allowing the Importation of Malt, Ship Timber, Oil, Wine,
Are. duty fret, is English and 1601 vessels, front the British
Colonies io America; ehich was agreed to, add a Bill ordered
to be brought in on it.
A Message from the Lords announced that they bad agreed
to the London Mirka and several Private Bills.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL.
On the motion of Mr. COUitTENAY, the
House having resolved itself into a Cunimiuee on
this Bill—
Mt. CARR proposed some Verbal amendments,
which Were agreed to.
Mr. Serjeant BEST proposed a clause, which, if
we understood him tight, was to the followinteet
ft& s--,. That all bankrupts, who bad note
able to obtain their certificates, through the caprice
or olutinacy of their creditors or others, and had
been aantlly in prison, er liable to surrender to
their bail, since the let of February, 1806, and who
made affidavit and gave proof that they bad fairly
conformed to all the injundlions of the Bankrupt
Laws, may be allowed to be discharged by a Judge,
and have their certificates made valid, at the dia.
cretion cf the Lord Chancellor."
Mr. PERCIVAL thought this was a clause of
too much importance to Pe Introduced at this late
riod, without notice ; and considered it a fitter ob.
to be provided for in the Bill for amendment of
e Bankrupt Laws, than in a clause in an Insolvent
• a.
Mr. Serjeant BEST declared, that he wee far
om having any intention to take the House by cur-
' e ; and, as he should have a future opportunity
proposing it in another stage, agreed to withdraw
It for the present.
Mr. CARR. proposed a clause for obliging the
btors, meaning to take the berefit of this aft, to
nerve notice of their intention, at the residence of the
w agents of their creditors. This, be said, was
dered necessary by the trick of some debtors, in
ese circumstances, removing themselves, by Habeas
. ,per, from one gaol to another, and by that means
les raping the notice of their creditors.
I Mr. MORRIS considered this clause as tending
Ito defeat the whole objet of the adt. The notices
/required, could only be served by agents, who must
'',lhe well paid for their trouble, and come back again
.to prove that the service was effected ; and it would
:purely be impossible for unfortunate men, in ituol-
.vent circumstances, to saddle themselves with ex-

peaces, out of their power in many instances to pay.
Mr. CARR said, that whatever propositions he
might have been induced to make, in regard to this
bill, be was not a man of an obdurate and cruel
disposition ; but being convinced, that for one hard-
hearted creditor, there were many unfeeling debt-
ors, he felt the necessity of imposing some checks
upon those ans which were so frequently brought
forward.
Mr. Alderman PRINSEP,. and Sir FL MILD-
M AY, spoke in favour of the clause, and the LO li 1)
A DVOCA l'E of SCO IL AND against it. After
which it was negatived without a division ; and the
report ordered to be received to-morrow.
PRIVILEGES OF THE HOUSE
Mr. BANKS brought up the report of the Com-
mittee on the conference with the Lords, on the ex-
amination of Lord leignmouth before that House ;
which stated, that they had proceeded to, inspect
the Journals. and found' no precedent in point, but
that of the examination of Lord Balcarrac, before
the House. Lord Balcarras was in the same pre-
dicament with Lord Teignmouths a Peer, but cot a
Peer of Parliament, nor entitled to sit in the House
of Lords. The former objetted to the examination
notwithstanding which, it was taken. The Com-
mittee determined that the House of Commons had
a right to proceed upon such examinations ; and that
they would not depart from their right to examine
any Lord cf Parliament I and that if the Lords held
the contrary, it would infringe upon the privily es
of that House, and obstruct the regular and proper
mode of proceeding.
This report was urdered to be taken into further
consideration to-morrow.
MASTERS IN CHANCERY, CLERKS, Re.
The Master of the flails brought in a Bill for
augmenting the hies of Clerks and Solicitors in the
Court of Chancery, which was read a first, and or-
dered to be read a second time to-morrow. He
then moored the seconJ reading of the Bill for aug-
menting the Salaries of Masters in Chancery, and
providing for srreh as should be superannuated.
Mr. W. SMI observed, that though the fund
which was to provide for these augmentations did
not, in the first place, belong to the public, as it
did not come from the consolidated fund, yet it
might eventually fall upon the public purse.—
Should this money, as probably it may do, at any
time accumulate to an enormous sum, it might be
, applivd to the relief of the public burthens, or the

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Service of this year, Which it could not do if dirovel
in the manner now proposed. The proposed aug-
Mentation, for any thing be knew, may be proper ;
but it would be paid at the expense of the public.
There was also another cliffi:olty, as the Members
of that House did not ItItOW whether eke annuities of
5001. 10001. or 15001. a year, would be the most
proper compensation for superannuated Masters is
Chsocery.
The MASTER of the ROLLS admitted, that
all were not equally judges of the proper compen.
satien to be given; but in this instance his iatentioa
was to make a liberal provision. It must .boevi..
ant, that the same salsres and provisions. which
ight have been deemed sufficient in 1 Y(ia. fur
blic , officers, m:y be insufficient in 1806. Its.
aking this arrangement, no reference was made
the state of the Chancery Fund; for if that had
t existed, hr would have moved for it out of the
ontolidated Fund. This was a provision made
the public service, and to take care that Mal-
t in Chancery,when the), arriVerl at a propel
ould not hesitate abeut, retiring, :I
' Mr. T. JONES said, he was toSsemy tom libee
1 reward, being given for pitlehe )perrises= but i 3
's infprmation on the subject was eared, the fund
question was enormous. and mutt, more teas,
fficient far many such provisions. HO, thereto..,
ggesterl, whether it would not be tight to adver-
tise names of the individuals to wham these me,
les belonged, in the same manner as the unclaimed
'vidends
The MASTER of the ROLLS obeerved. that
hat the Hon. 6.entlernan adverted .to, was by La
cans conneaed with the objets of the prezeie
It was then read a second time, and committed for
0•SCOITOW.
The Bill for regulating the Office of the Ac-
untant-General, was disposed of in the same
anner.
The Greenwich Hospital and Chest Bills were
ad a third time, and passed.
On the motion of Mr. ROBSON, the Memorial
John Pritchard, presented to the ComMizsioners -
of Military Inquiry, on the 9.0113 of January last,
'teas ordered to be paned.
NON-RESIDENT CLERGY.
Mr. FELLOW ES observed upon the necessity
having before the House escorted return of the.
a-resident Clergy. In What be bed V Proiknots.
did not wen to imam* with IraLved, leaving it
to the Right lion.Caesit. (Ski. Newport), who must
be aware of the deplorable state of the Protestant
Religion in that country, where the Clergy were so
notoriously non-resident. Much good might, be
hoped, he domby ameliorating the condition of
some classes of the Clergy' and be thought that many
Mks of the Irish Parliament, tartan dilapida-
lions, ki. world be very applicable to this coun-
try. • He dune moved, .# that there be laid before the
House a copy of the Return made to the Privy
Council, by the Archbishops, &c. of the number if
dignitaries, beneficed clergymen, &c. uon.resident
at their cures ; and also the number of, such
were exempted, and such as were non-resideat ~
out exemption, in order that it May be before the.
House, on the opening of the next Session of Perlis.-
ment."—Ordered.
COMMITTER OF SUPPLY.
Mr. Hobhouse brought up the Reports' tie Rfk
solutions of the Committee of Supply (as stated
yesterday), settling the augnsentations to be mane
to the provisions for the different broaches of the
Royal Family, &c.
On their being read a second time,
Mr. R. COPE observed, that the berthens on
the people were so great at the present moment, as
to require the observance of the utmost economy.
Some of the Royell Family, in addition to what
was settled on them by Parliament, had else public
offices, such as regiments and rangerships, which
added considerably to their income, and tor whicii
due allowance should be made: It was tine, that a
considerable time had elapsed since the former set-
tlements were made, • but at that time they were
considered as very liberal allowanceavattal he those t
that a dedudion should new be made, in regartito
those who held places of emolument.
Lord HENRY PETTY said, he was very willing
to do justice to the motives of his Hon. Friend, fct
he never saw a time when it was more necessail to
attend to the principles of economy; but a Buie re-
fledion would thew.' that these votes were not
grounded on any lavish principles. It Was now
nearly thirty years (1778) since the former provi-
sions were made, and every one must allow, that
since that time, there was a great difference in the
value of money. and in the price of every article of
expenditure. These votes wield not fall so heavily
or the public as may at Brit sight be supposed Ps
some of the Princes wet" allowed tables, ke. whir./
would in future be discontinued, and make a great
saving in the disbursements of the Civil List ; is
some instances, equal to the additions now proposen.
Mr. ROSE expressed his fuR assent to the Bill;
and observed. that in respect to some of the Pres:wee
the discontinuance of their allowances eider the
Cr-il List, would amount to more than theauguseete
ation in their incomes. lie considered the &we te
he extremely nonierate, when he called to ntiod thV
50 years ago the allowance to the then Duke or Glou-
cester was 15,0001. As to the Aces which soar
of the Princes may hold at the Royal pleasure, they
should not be taken into contemplatiaa, when the
question was respelling a permanent pro% isico.
The Report was then agreed to, and b•lls ordered
to be brought in on the hart foin resclutions.
Mr. Secretary WINDHAM moved for leave to
bring in a Rill to regulate the rank of Officers is
Vulunte.r Corps.
Mr. Hohhouse4wought up the report of the Bank-
rupts' Amendment Bill, which was read and agrzed
to, and the Bill oracle.: td be read a third time to.
morrow.

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!PEST INDIA INTERCOURSE ➢ILL.
Earl TEMPLE moved, - that the West India In-
tercourse Bill be n.,w read a third time."

On the question brit g put,
Sir C. PRICE. recapitulated the arguments he
had hefstre used against the Bill, and added, that
since he last delivered his sentiments on the subjeo.
fir had consulted with several West India met-
chants and planters, of great ability and informs-
von, and also with merchants trading to Canada.
Halifax, and our other North American Colonies.
and they were all expressly of opinion, tjat the

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'citi beta 'th • tin patron
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• g taken ves a yaw to e patron-
, - ilgnin India I The Noble Viscount well knew.
. ,
PleintliTs the sense and import of the clause, and
the grounds referring to it, on which be had
himself long ailed; there was not a Cotentin-
Gene*, who bad gone nut from 1794 to 1801,
to tadie, without a specific recommend'. ion by
his 'to the Court of DireCtors. And in the
'Nugent. tastamee, the Noble Person who should gn
bat. he estrituted to say, would have equally the con-
. Nem* and 'esteem of both. The Noble Viscount
lqld smack seterreou the point of arrangements tend-
-ond:blade the existing servse+s of the Company
liillidia,froin succeeding to the Chief Governorships
these, In this point of vlbw, he would ark—Had
lined. Cornwallis. Wellesley, fitickingbardehlre
• oils; ad blateartney. • ben all or any of then;
Sena* of the Company, previous to their re-
rappointmentsf Certainly not. Iris Lord-
thaw 'followed the Noble Vieconnt through
Of the other leading topics of his speech,
iilhich. 'hi answered, and animadverted upon
*lds spirit and success. Instead of the :n-
-or ten days elapsing between the period of
&air deteradadba and aeual tecal, near three
kleathe had taw' place. So far from his hay-
ing any overdo* to Sir George Hilaro Barlow, he
kid his most favours's' *pinion ; and any par-
*Witt, if anyhe had, wove in his favour ; And, for
do part of Ids tondo" Mare than for the altive
ad inipottat share 'he in the-splendid, gin.
' ries* and sataidal stion of Marquis
IVeliOley hilidia i w . ia that Mtn-
Ealways * t'ead lOW theratter,
-be vi his *Whim, his extra-
' anti" and his *el for the public
service. be meet always ' ' and revere. After
adducing a variety of caber arguments against the
propositions advanced by the! Noble Viscount. in
akiting which, his Lordship displayed his wonted
talent and rinquenee. he cor.cluded by obeerring,
that coosidersitiom of duty called dpon him to give
the motion a decided negative.
Lord li PIYiKESBURY agreed with die Noble
*woo who had jest sat down, that the India Aft
Eve to Government the power of recalling the Go-
' ereedor General appointed by the Court of Direefors;
, the questien now agitated was, whether that
power had been exercised with sound policy. By
the lawrentetand unexpeAed e•eath of Marquis Cora-
areHit. theVitarnment ot India devolved upon Sir
tereorge Harlow t 'familiar with thee plans of the
Magnin hiving $ knowledge of India, and pos.
seising the most Inflexible integrity, no man was
haw fit to succeed to the invariant station ;
' I.t. *let rrallepe; the best summary of hie ado.
• ittritY. to say. that Marquis Cornwall!s cond.
ted him fully competent to the situation. Pos-
- *sin the qtalificationt he did, be (Lord Hawkes-
beryl thought the circumoance of his being a stn.
tract of the East India Company, ought not to
• erriseforvail ills appointment. The ground of
Masse for the course which had been pursued, with
gated to
iris irSir Ge
efitsd morproiließarlowt
t,owitse,
otkiotete.; troy
vernottOMPeral, measures should hare been taken
for sepefiedliqg him ; and that at a time when he
. ire on the On of concluding most important trea-
ties, cad hii, regal might -have the most serious
amegnetees. If it had been right to ap-
OM idea at the and of February, surely it
cloutd not have been right to have recalled
hits In the begieaing of March. There had
been no instance in which the whole power of
TaJia bad been thus vacated, without a suc-
teem having been appointed. He would ask;
then was dm warrant of supercessies, gone over to
India! If not, the Head of the Board of Contronl
• had exceeded his dory. by supcnding its operation,
end patting His Majesty's appointment into his
pocket. 'lO avoid the coofusion that would ensue
opots the overthrew of all Government in India,
fits Majesty's servants had violated the law. Such
peas the necessity they had entailed upon them-
'elves. The Noble Lord then adverted to
the general affettion which was felt for the
person and measures of Marquis Coruvrallis, in In-
dia ; and said, that to be succeeded by such a No-
bleman, could have been no imputation upon the
tend:re of Marquis Wellesley, who had beets ever
1 tided, trot hr Comma/ht. but by the Court of 1)i.
fedora; and whose present site stion (alluding to the
proceedings in she House of Cowmen') he regard-
.'ed with the deepest regret. l'he vacation of the
appArstasent of Sir George Barlow, would destroy
all his political and personal consequence in India,
and might be attended, by the Impression it ern_
duced upon the native Princes,with the most 'ennui
consequences ; but rbe precedent and principle of
-suspending the course of the warrant of the Sove-
reign; WAS of the most dangerous complexion pos-
sible. Upon these grounds. he thought their Lord.
-ships ought to be made aconairited with the grounds
open *hsch His Majesty's olinistets had proceeded.
' . Lord MINTO said. if all Parliamentary Papers
• *ewe to be granted, because they were asked for,
'the public toucans would be left at the arbitrary
cowing of the curious. As the faA was ascertain-
• ed, that the powers of the Government in India
were unimpaired, he thought no good public ground
Could be assigned for this motion. 'ile ruperces-
. sion of Sir George Barlow could not derange the
- Course pursued in the East, as the principle applied
`to the Indian Government, as tto all others, that
'-env head continued till another was appointed ;
1 and there could not be a better time seleCted than
' ' Otis. in which to champ a Governor-General, am
there was se war to coodue, nor any treaties to
• c'Jnektile t no lacenvesience, therefore, could re.

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':: ill could not tail to be injurious to the commercial
terests of this country. . He had also bad inter-
, • urn with several American merchants, and had
• • en informedly them, that one-third, or perhaps
Pear a half of the sailors who navigate American
'• ips, are British. A declaration which gave him
• t uneasiness. jpd which he had no doubt the
.1
' , ouse would be lorry to hear, as it was of the
t, eatest importance to this country, and ought to
.; . ake the House cautious how deer threw any ad-
, itional commercial weight into the hands of the
t•• mericans. He did not wish to trespass too long
i.
. . • the Mee' of the House, as he bad more than
`• ce delivered kis sentiments against this Bill i and,
he still remained convinced it woald be prodoc.
ve of injurious Offsets to the commerce of the
• dairy, he would conclude by moving, as an amend•
nt, that instead of " be am read a third time,"
." o words, " this day three months" bit eithoillittet
• Mr. BRODERICK seconded thi thotion for kh
Amendment, on the ground that the Bill was tudest,
ttnneceuary, and impolitic.
• Mr. STURGES BOURNE thought the Bill
-highly impolitic and unnecessary. it had been
aeon ht its,early in May, and the House were no*
Ota at the bitter end ot dilly to pan its after
liffaisten had refused to allow the Shipowners, &c.
nth o petitioned against the Bill, to be heard bt Conn-
ed, the short space of four days, to enuttine evidence
before a Committee above stairs. He insisted that
•the Right Hon. Secretary's (Mr. Windham) letter
to the Governors of the West India Islamise •Irto ft*
• 'flagrant violatiten of Law. and requited indemnity ;
instead of which he came to Parliament for a law to
want him in doing so in future. At the very 1
Sidi oar own shipping want encouragement aid '
employment. hilmsters, he said, were throwing the
, trade into the hands not indeed, of an actual one.
tap, bat of a neutral, which not only &Seed our
shopping. but. materially so, the interests of oar
Anieriesu Colonies ; and, with the Ministerial Pa-
rity ht bad no doubt we should not be at war with
, • while any thing remained for Ministers to
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0,, -• • --• . Shipping was new actually wanted in the
' est Indies, to bring home the produce of the
"i !ends; and if this encouragement was given to die
ntericans, they would evgrose the whole of that
, trying trade. }'or these reasons be would support
. • e amendment.
Mr. MAIN WABINO complained of the insult.
' • • sßenee Of Ministers oh the subjeft, and objected
to the lull is toossualeitry and iselpolitic, and would
etereferevote for the amendment.
Sir W. YOUNG defended the Bill; lumber and
provisions could alone be had from America, and
m American ships. As to what had been said
against Mr. Windbans'e letter, be thought it frivo-
tons. Lord Cemden'aletters were to the same pur-
port, only that they did not make any exceptions in
favour of Irish provisions. Mr. Windhont's letter •
did, and expressly excepted fish, beef, pork. and•
butter, from Ireland. He thought. that in the op:
position of the members for the city of London,
there was something more than met the eye ; but he
hoped the House world not tract the interests of so
litany inhabitants of the islands, to the wild specula.
• dons of men who may not be able to supply the Co-
lonies.
Sir W. CURTIS objeded to the principle of the
MUe and that powegahould be vested in any one to
eisperid the Navigation Laws. He ihsisted that our
own North American colonies, Canada, Halifax,
New Brunswick, Etc. were adequate to supply the
West India islands. without depending on any spe-
culations whatever. He shoitid therefore vote in
favour of his Honourable Colleague's amendment.
Lord DE BLAQUIERB said, he would rather
have the power of suspending the Navigation Laws
vested in the Governors, who were amenable to re-
sponsibility, than to the Privy Counc•l, who were
not so; and he thought this a moment very unfit-
wearable for innovation and change ; he should
therefore Tote for the amendment.
Earl TEMPLE denied that the proposers ot
this pleasure were adverse to hearing the Ship-
owners by theit Counsel, as had been stated by the
Noble Lord. He then adverted to the first letter ot
Earl Camden to the Governors, which deyired them
not to open the ports extent in case of great neces-
sity. and instantly to apprise him of it. ''his made
it dentate' on whom the responsibility attached,
and there was therefore a greater necessity for this
Bill.
Viscount CASTLF,REAGI I said, he was much
woonishcd, that during all the discussions on this
wteasnre, none of His Mejesty's Ministers had con-
descended to deliver their opinion on it, or had
even said ohe wor,l on the suoj -et, except a Right
Hot.ourahle Gentleman (Mr. Fox) who did net en-
ter into the principle. All the AEI§ pa‘o:d, and
all the orders in Council made with 'espy& to the
supply of the West Indies from America, were
cdculated not tat infring: the Navigation An i
so a greater extent than wits absolutely necessary.
The Al pa ;led in 1758 limited the articles imported,
to corn, provisions, and lumber, and also provided
that they should be conies( in British ships, and the
orders in Council had an retool tendency. With
reseed to the policy of relaxing the Navigation Ails,
it irecome, in iii. opinion, a question of peace policy,
mid not of war, merely as it would be extremely
easy. Wii:out taking much from our naval strength.
to anise a convoy so the vessels engaged in the
trade. The Noble Lord then adverted to our pre-
sent situation, with rasped to America; and said,
that any country who read this Bill, would see a
pusillanimous intention in His Majesty's Connell ;
and even supposing they were not inclined before.
it would rousetnem to take every advantage, and
to make any demands which might be most to their
advantage. This was not a Bill, he said, to supply
the West Indies with necessaries, but to abrogate the
navigation.
Lord HENRY PETTY said, the Noble Lord
bad complained that none of his Majesty's Ministers
had delivered their sentiments on this measure, but
had, however, allowed, in another part of ins speech,
that a Right Hon. Gentleman, not now present (Mr.
Fox.), had sroken shortly on the subject. This, he
conceived, was a complete answer to the complaint
of the Noble Lord. as it generally happened, that
whenever the Right Hon. Gentleman alluded to.
spoke on any subject, he made it unnecessary for any
of his colleagues to take up the subjeft after him.
It had been stated, he said, that this was a novel and
dangerous measure, bet this he could never acknow.
ledge, as a Bill had been proposed to the House, in