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GLASGOW DINNER to .SIR J. MACKIAVTOSH.

On Monday hat a public dinner was given at the Assembly
Rooms, in Glasgow, to Sir James Mackintosh, by the Whigs of
that town and its vicinity, on the occasion of his presence at the
rniversity, to give his casti -g vote for the election of the new Lord
Rector.

At six o'clock nearly 400 persons sat down to dinner at the As-
sembly Rooms. Not only the great roes, but the adjoining a-sart-
mental were filled. An apology was made for Sir James Mack.intosh, who was taken suddenly ill, bat who hoped to attend in the
evening.
Mr. MAXWELL, M.P. presided, and the principal table was
filled by the leading Whigs of Glasgow; among whom were Lord
Glenorchy, Sir John Maxwell, Admiral Fleming, Mr. Douglas,
&e. In the music gallery were several ladies, and the avenues
were thronged with persons who were anxious to get even a passing
glance at the company.
The used loyal toasts having been drunk,
The eiIAIRMAIti rose for the purpose of proposing a toast which
had long been justly considered as the nucleus of all their Whig
toasts at festivals like this, which were intended to celebrate the
progress of civil and religious lihcrty—" The Memory of the
Right Honourable Charles James Fox." (Cries of " Ilear.")
The memory of Mr. Fox was drunk with every mark of venera-
tion and respect.
Professor MYLNE proposed—" A cordial union and co-operation
of all the friends of freedom, for a speedy and substantial reform In
the representation or the people."
The applause for this toast had hardly ceased, when it was re-
echoed and increased by the announcement of Sir James Mackin-
tosh, who entered the room accompanied by Dr. Millar and some
other personal acquaintances. Sir James took his seat on the right
of the Chair, betraying, however, evident symptoms of indisposi-
tion. In a few minutes he became overpowered by the heat of the
room, and was obliged to support himself with difficulty in his
chair. Ilia desire, while so oppressed by indisposition, to acknow-
ledge the compliment paid to him by the northern Whigs, ..ecured
general sympathy.
As soon as the applause had subsided.—
Lord GLEXOneIIY proposed—" Trial by Jury."
The CHAIRMAN then, in a complimentary speech, proposed the
health of Sir James Mackintosh, which was drunk with four times
four, accompanied with every testimonial of public respect.
Sir James Mackintosh was obliged, during the preceding speech
of the Chairman, to retire from the room,
oppressed by indis-
position ; and finding himself not recovering in the open air,
°to retire alto-ether. accompanied by Dr. Millar. This circum-
stance, which threw a (lamp upon the meeting, excited much a:-
tention and sympathy for the son of Si: James Mackintosh, a very
young man, who rove to acknowledge the compliment paid to his
father.

Mr. Mace's:Toast said. that unexpectedly called upon as he
unfortuna.ely found himself, to say a few words in the unforeseen
absence of his father, be was sure of gaining the sympathy of the
company for the feelings which his father's illness had occasioned.
(Loud cries•of " Hear.") But before his father had left the room, '
he had begged of him to express, in his name, that this day, to
which he had looked forward as a source of the proudest siciarac.
tion, had, by his sudden indisposition, become the cause of much
sorrow and disappointment. To be removed from the society of
such friends, atter travelling nearly one thousand miles to meet
them, they must easily believe was a very mortifying disappoint-
ment. (Hear.) The very efforts which he had made to attend had
brought an accession of indisposition, to which his father was occa.
sionally subject. In delicacy it would be unbecoming of him (the
son) to speak of the character of his father. (Cheers.) But, hap-
pily for him, this day was intended to convey a public mark of
respect to a public character, and his father's public life was as well
known to then, all, as it cultist be supposed to he to himself indivi-
dually. (Applause.) They had it before them, and they were also
better judges than he could pretend to be of its value. (Cheers.)
To him it was a proud gratihcation to witness the tribute paid to
his father by such a company ; and he could assure them, that if
his countrymen felt Sir James Mackintosh to be an honest man, he
had his father's injunction for assuring them, that that persuasion
alone amply repaid him for all his cares, and amply rewarded hint
for all his lahburs. (Renewed cheers.) He would only add, that
the illness which now afflicted his father had been acquired in that
country (India) to which some years ago be had been sent in a sort
of honourable exile, because he ease man not formed to bow down
and worship the golden calf. (Reiterated cheers.)
Here Mr. 31arkintosh became evidently overpowered by his feel-
ings, and sat down, after requesting the indulgence of the company,
and thanking them for their sympathy.
" The Liberty of the Press," " The Chairman," " Success to
the Glasgow Mechanics' Institution," " The health of the Hon.
Admiral Fleming, and the independent freeholders in the different
counties with which be was connected," and " Lord Glenorchy,"
were the next toasts. _ _ .

The Chairman, Admiral Fleming, and Lord Glcnorehy, sevc-
rallyreturned thanks: . . . .

The CHAIRMAN then said, that while they regretted the absence
of their noble guest, it was with great satisfaction he stated his de-
claration that he would be amply repaid for all his labours, in this
or any other part of the world, if be had attained the character of
an honest msn. He should propose the health of Mr. hlackintoth,
and that he might follow the footsteps of his illustrious father to a
happy consummation.
This toast was drunk with applause.
Mr. MACKINTOSH returned thanks. •' The only thing that
will prevent me front following the footsteps of my father will be
the want of ability—the will shall never do it."
•• The /width of Mr. Wallace."
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" The revival of the subverted liberties of Spain, Italy, and Por-
tugal, and the Patriotic Exiles from those countries;"
" The University of Glasgow," and
" The health of Sir Francis Burdett," were next given.
Mr. Douglas being called upon by the Chair, proposed the
health of the Scottish laureate of liberty, the author of The Plea.
sures cf Ilope. The lion. Gentleman thus concluded an eloquent
speech :—The occa.ion of this meeting gave Campbell a peculiar
title to be remembered as the proposer of a popular London Uni-
versity, divested of monkish opinions and habits, where a Swift
wnidel not pass for a blockhead (Laughter), DOT a Locke be ex-
pelled for the soundess of his logic anti his polities—(Applause)—
nor another Paley suffer in his promotion for liberality, even with
his pliant morality of expediency. (Laughter.) Such a liberal
school, supported by the rank, the wealth, the science, and art,
which in this busy age of improvement and discovery are coneen.
trated in the English metropolis, would enlighten the English
mind, stimulate free inquiry, and diffuse liberal opinions. (Great
applause.) " The health of the author of The Pkanores of Vote,
and success to the London University."—]This speech was tol.
lowed by intense and long-continued applause.]
" The liberal part of his 31njesty's Ministers, and may they still
farther adopt the political principles which their opponents have so
long inculcated."
The British Constitution, and may it never be suspended by
means of spies and informers."
" Prosperity or Glasgow."
" The President of the United States," with all the honours.

" Success to the Greeks."
" Earl Grey and the Marquis of Lansdown, and the Whigs of
England."
" The health of Mr. Hume."
" The Duke of Leinster and the Whigs of Ireland."
" Earl Fitzwilliam, the intrepid asserter of conatitutional in-
quiry."
" The Universal Abolition of the Slave Trade.
" Mr. Cranston° and the Independence of the Scotch Rae."
" Mr. Denman and the Independence of the English Bar."
`• The Reform of the Criminal Code."
" May a pretended regard for religion never be made the cloak
of political oppression,' and
Lord Holland," were among the toasts which succeeded. Se-
veral of them were prefaced or followed by speeches suited to the
occasion.
The Out tt mot withdrew at half-past twelve, and the Meeting
soon after broke up, after spending an evening enlivened by the best
social feelings.

The Glasgow Chronic* of Tuesday says. "Sir James Mackin-
tosh's indiepositioa has abated this morning, but he is not well
enough to be able to go to Edinburgh."

CAUTION TO OVERS:CRS.-At the Special Sessions at
St. Alban s, for the appointment of Overseers for the year
ensuing, two inhabitants of the parish of Redbourn attended
for the purpose of objecting to the parish accounts previous
to their being allowed by the Magistrates; but it appear-
ing on investigation that the items objected to were not in-
troduced in the accounts, the same were allowed and
passed. The overseers, however, had intended to deduct
the bills they had paid for refreshments provided at parish
vestries, &c. amounting to several pounds (which formed
the ground of complaint), from the balance to be paid by
them to their successors in office ; but they were informed
by the Magistrates present, that if they did so, an dan ap-
peal was made against the account by reason of their being
charged, the same would be disallowed, and the Overseers
expected to make up the deficiency.
Several horses have, within these last ten days, been
stolen out of the paddocks of gentlemen, and the stables
of the farmers in the county of Lincoln, between Spalding
and Spilsby ; some of them very valuable ones ; and such
is the systematic plan laid dow i by the depredators, that
not the least trace of thcin has been discovered.

The weavers of Coventry are full of business. Those
who work in the patent looms, earn three to four pounds
per week, but those engaged in common old looms do not
get more than los. per week—so much for improved ma-
chinery. The poor-rates at Coventry have fallen from
Is. 6tl. to sd. in the pound.
CONFESSION OF MUEDER.—A man named Bridgwood,
from the neighbourhood of Bilston, has acknowledged him-
self an accessary with Powell and another man in the late
murder of Ann Spencer, at the Gorse cottage. He says
that Powell first struck the deceased with a potato-fork
upon her entering the house ; but that the other man com-
pleted the bloody deed. He has already undergone exa-
mination at IVolverhampton.

THE BRITISH PRESS.

IRELAND.

FURTHER EXTRACT. FROM THE EVIDENCE Or DR. DOYLE,
THE BOMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF KILDARE AND LEIGH-
LIM, BEFORE THE COMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE Or
LORDS, ON THE STATE OF IRELAND, MARCH 21.

Do the Roman Catholic Hierarchy of Ireland acknowledge the
Ordination in the Protestant Establishment to he carried on in an
uninterrupted succession, as in the Church of Rome I)—The Or-
dination of the Bishops is one thing, and their Mission or Spiritual
Jurisdiction is another thing. We have some doubt with regard to
the validity of Ordination of English Bishops of the Establish-
ment. That doubt does not arise from the manner of Ordination,
but it arises with regard to the valid Ordination of one of the
Archbishops of Canterbury, I believe 111.0 thew Parker. It Is a
matter of fact about which we cannot be well acquainted, and
therefore a doubt remains on our minds. Then, as to the Mission
which a Bishop, when validly ordained, has or has not, we do
think that no Bishop outside the pale of the Roman Catholic
Church has .his due Mission.

You are aware, that in the case of a Roman Catholic Clergy.
man conforming to the Doctrines of the Protestant Church as
established in these countries, he is fully competent to exercise all
the functions of a Protestant Clergyman ?—1 know be is, for there
never has been apy doubt cast upon the validity of our Ordination.
If a Protestant Clergyman were to conform to the doctrines of
the Church of Rome, would he be equally competent to perform
the functions of that Church ?--The doubt I hers mentioned, de-
pending on a matter of fist, would interfere ; and if a Bishop of
the Established Church conformer' to ours, we would think it
necessary to confer a Consecration upon him under condition,
having reference to the matter of fact, and not the mode of Or-
dination.

The doubt you have stated respecting the English Church rests
upon a doubt whether there was a direct succession 7—Yes; whe-
ther the person who undertook to consecrate Dr. Parker really was
a Bishop or not.
Whether there is not a link wanting in the Episcopal Succes-
sion?—Yes; but we distinguish the succession of Order from the
succession of Spiritual Order or Mission. The succession of Order
we would recognize in the Established Church, were it nor for this
doubt • but the succession of Mission or Spiritual Jurisdiction, in
an Ecclesiastical view, cannot be admitted by us without d:nying
the unity of the Catholic Church.
The doubt you have stated applies to the Established Church of
England ; does any such doubt exist resnecting the Church of Ire-
land ?—I cannot state that without adverting to the history of that
period. lam not aware whether the succession was kept ur in
Ireland or not. I believe all the Bishops who were in the country
in the time of Mary were deposed, and Bishops sent from this
country to take their Sees.
As you are aware that the Roman Catholic Laity look for the
restoration of certain rights which their ancestors formerly pos-
sessed, namely Scats in Parliament, dec., do you conceive that the
Roman Catliolic Church look for a restoration of similar right
exercised by their malcoessore P—Not at all ; we never thought of
such a thing. The right of sitting and voting in Parliament is
thrived from the baronial title of the Bishop of the Established
Church, and not from his Episcopal character; and we would
thing it destructive; I would not use a weaker word) that any of our
Bishops should be admitted into the Legislative Assembly. It is •
thing quite foreign from our thoughts--God forbid it should ever
enter into the minds of others.

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You have said, that you consider the Ecclesiastical Authorities
and functions of the Bishops confined to the Church of Rome ?
—To the Chinch in communion with the See of Rome; we
do not recognize as lawful the mission or jurisdiction of any other
Church.

Entertaining those tenets, how do you 'conceive that • Roman
Catholic Ecclesiastic can recognize and engage for the maintenance
of • Protestant Ecclesiastical Establishment ?—I do not see any
thing more easy than that ; because the State in which we live has
been pleased in its wisdom to establish a certain mode of worship,
and to give certain immunities and
.privileges to the Clergy of
that Establishment. Thus entering into the State as an integral
part, why should not we support the State which supports that
Establishment? I do not see, certainly, how that interferes at all
with our tenets ; but I view it just in that light in which I have
placed it before your Lordships.
Is Clongowes within your diocese '—lt is.
Ilow many Jesuits are established there, and when did they first
come there ?—They settled there when I was upon the Continent,
so that I cannot tell exactly the year. The number of Jesuits in
it—as I believe they are Jesuits in a certain way—l do not know;
but I believe there are fourteen Clergymen, who have the care of
educating young gentlemen resident there.
Do they wear the habit of the Order ?-1 see no distinctive dress
about them, except a black cloak, to keep them warm.
Are you aware of the proper habit of a Jesuit ?—No, I never
saw a Jesuit properly habited.
What is the extent of their property there ?—I do not know;
they have a very tine house there, but what is the extent of their
property I do not know.
Do you know from what funds, or by whom the purchase was
made ?—I believe the purchase was made by Mr. Denny, who is
one of the family ; but the amount of the purchase-money I do not
know.

Is there any other Jesuit establishment in Ireland ?—There is a
small house and Chapel in Hardwicke-street, Dublin, in which two
of the Clergymen of Clongowes reside. There is one other, a small
one, in the dioceses of Meath.
What is the name of it do not recollect.

Is there none at Dundalk,-Not that I know of.
Nor Blsekrock ?—No.
Nor Wexford ?—No.
Nor Drumcondra !—No.

Nor any where else in Ireland ?—I believe not.
Is there not a Seminary or School of Education at Cork ?—There
are Schools of the kind in almost all the large towns in Ireland; at
Carlow we have a very large one.
By what persons are those conducted ?—B the Secular Clergy
that of Carlow is conducted. I mean by Secular Clergy, under the
Bishop. There are also congregations of Roman Catholics who
teach poor children. Those congregations are in several towns in
Ireland, but they are not clergymen ; they are merely lay persons
associated for the purpose of educating children.
Are they under any particular Order P—l do not very well know ;
they are of modern institution : they may probably be of some
Order ; but I know little of them, for they are not in my dioceses.
Are the Jesuits subject to the jurisdiction of any Catholic Bishop
—The Jesuits are subject to the jurisdiction of the Roman Catholic
Bishops. I know nothing officially of those at Clongowes being
Jesuits: they are clergymen, but they can exercise no faculty of
clergymen out of their own house, but in consequence of an autho-
rity derived from me.
Do you happen to know whether the Superior of Clongowes, and
also of Stoneyhurst College, in Lancashire, attended at Rome at
the election of the last Superior of the Order ?—I know that two
clergymen of that house at Clongowes did go to Rome about that
period, and I do suspect they did assist at such election.
What other religious Orders of Alen or Women are established
in Ireland P—There are several religious Orders established in Ire-
land, ar.d have been for several centuries past, such as Franciscans,
Augustine., Carmelites, and Dominicans.
Do you happen to know the number of religious houses that are
of thole Orders do not know ; but there is a considerable num-
ber of them. There are, as I recollect, six in Dublin, four in Gal-
way, three in Limerick, and I believe four in Cork ; there are two
in Kilkenny, and there are, I believe, three in Drogheda; there
is one also in Wexford, and one in several other of the considerable
towns in Ireland.
Do you distinguish between Monks and Friars P—Monks, pro-
perly speaking, are persons who live retired, and cultivate grounds ;
they may or may not be clergymen ; but Friars are always clergy-
men now, and live in towns, and share in the Ministry with the
Secular Priests.
The Dominicans you have spoken of are all Friars ?—Yes.
How are they maintained ?—Principally by contributions col-
lected from the faithful, at the doors of their chapels in towns; and
when that is rot sufficient they send out some person from their fa-
mily into the country to collect alms among the faithful. Many of
them, no doubt, have some property in houses or money, which
assists in their support.
Are there Convents of Nuos also P—There are several Convents
of Nuns in Ireland.

Are you acquainted with the Ursulinc Convent in Cork ?—No,
I am not.

Do you happen t, know that they have recently made a tender
of thirty thousand pounds for an estate did not hear that. I
heard that they had recently purchased some place near Cork,
where they have established themselves ; but I did not hear the
amount of the purchase money, nor what they might have offered
for other property.
Do you recollect the Order to which those Nuns belong ?—They
are nearly the same as the Friars, with the difference of the Pre-
sentation Nuns sod Ursuline Nuns.

During the time you have known Ireland, have those houses, or
the persons inhabiting them, increased or decreased should
suppose they have considerably increased.
Have they Increased within the last ten years?—The Presenta-
tion Nuns have existed only a few years. I think the increase has
chiefly taken place in that Order, because their object is to educate
poor female children ; therefore they are patronized particularly
by the Bishops; and their institutions contribute so much to the
public good, that persons prefer joining them rather than those
other institutions whose immediate object is not that of teaching
the poor.
Do they attend the hospitals as matter of charity ?—There are
two or three convents of them in Dublin, whose institute obliges
than to attend the sick.
Do the Bishops encourage and promote those establishments ?
The establishments of those whose object is to mist in educating
the poor they do encourage; but they do not fed equally interested
about the others.
Do you know whether there are any Jesuits among the Professore
of the College of Ilaynooth ?—I am sure there are uot. lam quite
certain of that.
Are there any Jesuits in Ireland who hare a dispensation from
wearing the habit of the Order?—Those pagans whom 1 have
mentioned as residing at Clongowes, and one or two in the county
of Meath, are the only Jesuits in Ireland; those do not wear any
habit of the Order, except a loose cloak and a square cap, which is
the saute as we ourselves very often wear.
What is the most approved and authentic summary of the creed
of the Roman Catholic Church ?—The most approved and au-
thentic summary of the creed of the Roman Catholic Church will
be found in the Decrees of the Council of Trent, and in the Pro-
fession of Faith by Pope Pius the Fourth. and in what we call the
Roman Catechism, or Catechism of the Council of Trent. The
latter work, particularly, is perhaps the most authentic summary,

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