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THE TENTH REPORT.

IR MUT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE UPON
THE• TEN I It REPORT OF THE NAVAL COMMIS-
SIONI- RS.
[cosrmuu, /ROM OU4 TAPIR OT SATVROAY.)

(Mr. rite: Examination concluded.)

Was .lie pbblie ionney stated by you t:i have bean intrusted
to the h ,use of Boyd for the purpose of its being remitted to
the Cipe of <-4,4d Hope, an intruqed to them subsiquent to
yoar refusal of the list of Me-srs. Strange and Co. a. bidden
tor the ban!-1 believe not ; but I have already said I cannot
bay with certainty %Own that offer on the part of Messrs
Strange was :wade.
Was the mon.y so intrusted to the House of Boyd punts•
all. path ?—allo, it was not.
Has it all bleu paid believe it has not; an extent was
believa, in 1799, in Girder to secure the recovery of
whet was due. . _ .

Can you state what was the amount due at the time of iisll.
ihg the extent'.—No, I cannot.
Can you state what is now doe?—No, not with certainty.
Dirt not the hou.e of Stralig-, which offered to bid fur the
loan in conjainainis with Buyd, as was undersio,4 by sou at
the time, and %time offer was rejected by you, afterwards fail?
-..Yes, ntdd.

The further Examination of the k ,ht Hon. VV.!ham Fitt ;
taken the I;th of May.
Ham you any reason to suppose that e.'0,0001. of money
imued for Naval Service., was appiaad to purposes not Naval,
during the last Treasurership of Lord Melville, besides the
sum of 4.1,00,4 stain! to have been advanced to the house of
Boyd and Batfi-1•I, in the year 1796 understood from con-
,l*MiNgerl with Lord Melville, tnat to tea best of hi;
that was nearly the amount ; and on that gr nand I rated
my belief to that effect to the Hoe. of Commons.
Flawayou any information as to tar purpose to which such
money was applied ?—1 have not
Did you make any etutuiry of Lord Melville on the
subject?-1 did not-
VV ham did the coover.ation take place'—Some time Am
the Tenth keport was touttitsitetl.
Were yun First Lord of the Treasury in the month of May,
1111100!-.4 was.
Dn you recollect having been present at a Board of Treasury
on the 29'h of that mouth, In which Mr. Rae su:amint-,1 a
.tatement o`a debt due to the Treasurer of the Navy from Mr.
Adam Jullicepe ?....The precise date I cannot reitortaiii from me-
mory , I perfectly recollect the statement, and the memo-tat of
the Treasurer of the Navy, en which it oas founded ; bath of
which were under my consideration before the snout,, of Tres.
eery was framed. I believe I was aLtuatly present at the Board,
but of that I (*afloat speak positively.
Had you had any tom inowcation with the Treasurer of the
Navy on the subject of his memorial, Inevious to its being sub-
tuitted to your consideration ?—1 brliese I had, and that his
communication was to the same effect as what was contained
in the memorial. . _ .

IhJ you take any step. yourself, or give directions for steps
to be taken, in order to vents the st.it and allegations
Contained in that memorial,-1 du not recollect that ! did ; I
bad no doubt of the truth of the facts represented.
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Are writs of Privy Seal for acquitting public officio of defy
Mencies, due to them by persons emplosed under them,
—I do not aporeher.d the Matinees ara frequent; but I take it
to be the reizu:ar mode of giving a discharge where airy CiTCUID•
stances appear to justify it.
Do you recollect any instance of a similar nature ?-11 der not
at this moment, but I rather believe others have occurred while
1 have been at the Treasury.
Did you lake the opinion of the Law Officers of the Crown
nn the propriety or legality°, the writ in question ?—.4 did not,
I conceive the propriety of it to rest on g,enunds on which the
Treasury were themselves competent to decide; of its legality
I luy,- nut the sli;htest doubt
Ik yilNI knw who drew the instrument?—N., Ido not; 1
suppiee the Solicitor of tir! Treasury.
Did you enquire shut was the state of the proceedings
which !lad bout Militated by direction of the Treseirrer of tire
Navy to ...rower the debt due from Mr Jellies. -.4 think it
poolsalds that 1 did, but 1 wain taker upon myself to say y 1 do
nut recollea the particalars with sufficient precision.
Hive you at any time since given any directions for peered-
fngs to be continued on the port of the mitotic for the balance
Mill due from the estate of Mi. Jellicoe!—l do out mearet
that 1 Moo, I cow:over, end the Solicitor of the Treasury had
previously been direr led to slice ill the st,lrs in his power ; 1
owl 2:6.ltda. that it was not sun, months after that period
that I spitted office.
Are yore aware that the Solicitor of the Treasury has sus-
perid‘d all proceedings in that busions since the year 1722
or 1726 am Dot aware of it, except as far es appears by his
evidence before the COMITIiIKOIIerI of Narall

.
Sing your return to 'Ace, and since that fact was so brought
to your observation, have you taken any steps to ascertain its
truth, or given any d•n..ctinia towards obtaining the balance oil
the pert of the pulahr have not taken coy step on the sub.
ject since my return to office.
Have you had any conversation with Lord Mr lville on the
subject. at any times 'lee the issue of the writ of Privy Seal
—The subject may have been mentioned, but I have no re-
erSection of airy particular cirtivairalltien tirCrfi
Had you any reason at any time to doubt that the prrreeerl.
ings against the estate of Mr. Jenks/se were duly carried on,
add the proceeds regularly at-vaunted for in the 011,cliarze of
his balaric,.?..4 do riot socollcet•ny circumstance that gave Me
arty reavin to doubt it
Did you COSSI.It, any fresh hutructions on the part of the
Treasury as necessary to secure to the public the entire of cur
proceeds'—lt never occurred to me that they were, nor do
now conceive that they were.
Had you say information Omit to you at the time, of the
nature of the proceedings irotitated, of the situation in which
they stood, and of the tepee :stints that insic'rit be rea.oriably
formed of frothier proceed.' from tire estate of Mr. Jeilicoe;
and in whose hods was placed Cie conduct of the bu:iness'—
I have nn doubt Orate I had, though I cannot now state, upon
recolleethm, the particulars of such information.
[A letter from the NaralCentmissiuners read.]

Tilt SAAMINATION Of TROWAS RAIICKS, £$Q.

TAKEN WAY 7. 111103.

Were you Deputy Cneentoe of the amok in the yeas 17%!
—Yet. . .

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Who was Governor !—Mr Daniel Giles ; be is now A.•avl.

Do...l;onrricelleet &Wood, on the part of ttur Bonk, so make
any payment? upon a loan nr loan? contuttad Ibr by Boyd sod
Company 1-1 do net exactly retilket that.
Do you rccollect a notice riven by the Bonk, of their inten-
tion!' to stuccos. their discount. about the end of the rear 1793,
or beginning of 1796'--1 renvember such a circumitanee, but
ealinnt exactly state when it
Was such notice acted upon?—Yes.
Was there any particular conduct on the part of the Batik,
towards the hodise of Boyd and Company, in refacing to dee
count the bills of that house in the lame proporGal ...the hank
discounted bels for other mere.. Mile house. t—No; the Bank
told Mr Boyd that they would discount for his house the same
a. they chit for any other house of the. most respectable situa.
lion, but Mr. Boyd required an ecoommodation cf six times
the amount which was accorded to the moot respectable haus...,

.

Did the Rank, in point or fact, treat the hour of Boyd as
liberal'. is any ether commercial boom what ?—I believe
they dal, unt:l by their owe 031*.mridnet they lemma the
opinion of their own credit.
About whilime did thlf opirion of their credit begin to
diminish, so as to induce the 11-.nk to alter thee conduct to
wards them !--It is impossible ter me to determine that by
memory, but I believe about the rear 1796.
Were any relic, er mations made, or communications held
with the Cbaiwellor of the Ex, hermits, on the subject of liar
Ironing the Bank discounts'-1 make no doubt it was men.
hood in the frequent conferences the Governor and I had
with the Chaacrilor of the Exchequer at that time.
I),i sou recollect any particular mention in any of those
corifernmes, of the house of Boyd and Company I do
not. . • .

[ln you r Tollect when the li,uise of 11.14 and Compi.ni
(ailed'-1 do net recollect.
Was thia in‘te of the munet market in A vont, 17,6, such
In to hove fart, it diffieiit or IMpOSSiille to OAT* 111.V.Oilliftd
Nary PIP. or Bills avoided by thi. Etat India Company at
ikon &OS is ink F 04%.51e f•tr me fofreoitrcl.
Were the etAlipes of the Dank couliderable alseut the
•
hlek.

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Illeatho •f ilognst, September, and Oetuber, 1706,—y.,
the immure Pr &would: was rery heavy.
The further Examination of Thome% Reacts, Esq. taken the
Bth of May, 11106.
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It has been tested to the Committer, that the narrowing of
the Bank discount• had for one ohiect tha checking of specu-
lations supposed to be going on at that tone; was that the fact:.
I do not recollect any such circumstance.
Was the general immure taken with a view to the house of
Boyd in particular'-1 have been in the Bank twenty-e,cht
years, andl never knew it to act on such partial consideration.
Had you been IMAM that a certain suns or public money,
which by law ought to have remained in the Bank till the tone
at which it might be wanted to he •oplied to the special seivice
for which it had been issued to the Bank, would he withdraw„
fur the purpose of supporting the house of Boyd, should you
►we thought it your duty, with a view to the oiterests of the
Corporation of wh chi you then had, in conjunction with Mt
Gilles the principal management, under the difficulties of the
Bank at that particular period, to have remonstrated with the
Chancellor of the Exchequer ow such transaCtion, to have
made any representations to him or where on the subject, or to
have taken any steps to prevent it ?-1 certainly knew nothing
of ally such circumstance; if I had known it on any sure hum-
dation, and that any responsibility thereby devolved oil the
Bank, I certainly should have thought it tight to have expos-
tulated with the Chancellor of the Exchequer upon it.
State why you would have expostulated w.th him ?—Becattse
if I knew that monies which were appropriated for the pubic
sere:et were applied to the use of a private individual, I should
have thought it tequisite, if it came to me officially, to have
mentioned it to the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Do you remember in February 1796, any application being
made to the Bank Directors to make the customen flay meats
on behalf of the contractors, for the loan takes ill November
1,93 ?—I cannot reeollect it now Irons memory.
Can you state wheth.o ally application of a similar nature
was made in May, 1796, and refused by the Director'-1
cannot from my memory, but I believe there was something of
that kind happened about that time.
Can yuu recollect whether an application was made to the
Bank in June, 1796, to advance on the loan of seven millions
ano an half, taken the preceding April, on which the Di-
rectors consented to advance the 3d, 4th, and 6th payments,
but not the last, which wait doe the 26th of October ?—My
memory is not prepared to answer this quo-Minn.
Ca., you racollect whether the second loan wan or was not iii
October, 1796, at a discount from Bto 9 per cent.:-1 do out
recollect it.

Is there any enstom at the Hunk which prevents the discre-
tion of the Rank Dirsotors as to nuking advances upon Loans,
acconliog to [hoar opinion of the solvency of the persons con-
vented in the conhaets. or their judgment oss other co rcurn-
stances of the tine'—No.

Has the usual custom of making advances upon certain pay
ments of Loans ever been departed horn, except in the caws
alluded to ?—Yes, I remember several.

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Enumerate them?-1 cannot.
The further Examination of Thomas 'talcs, Esq. taken the
Bth of May, 1805.
Are you aware of the provisions of the act of the 75th Geo.
111. cap. 31, for regulating the office of Treasurer of the Naiy
in so far as they relate to the issues of public money to tie
Hank for naval service. never saw the act, or ever be..d
any particulars of it.
Do you know in point of fact, that public money Inr nava;
services is issued by the Exchequer to the Bank, to be drawn
front thence by the Treasurer of the Navy or his Agent,
then applied to sushi services?—Yes, I know that is the
cu.toin of the bu.ineu, and that it came to the Cashier's office
in the Bank.

How is it drawn hem thence cannot speak from my
own knowledge, the Cashier manages all that business.
Do you know whether any sums of money paid from the
Exchequer into the Bank for naval services have born drawn
from the Bank, and placed in the hands of private Bankers F—s
Prom my own knowledge I cannot say I do know.
Has such information been given t• you at any time?—Yes,
!believe in the year 1797.
Fly whom l—Mr. Giles, the then late Givernor of the lank
told me that Mr. Dundas then Treasurer of the Navy, kept
his CAill, which by AR of Parliament be WAS tieretiol to keep
at the Sank, at the priwat,. banking.house of Messrs. Coatis
and Company. I was going that day to the Chancellor of llse
Exchequer on hairiness from the Bank, and I thought it of suf-
hcient consequence to mention the matter to him, but !called
in Mr. Newland, the Cashier, and asked him as to the chains-
stance, which he confirmed ; and added, that Navy Bills were
now pint by drafts upon Messrs Coutta and Company, instead
of upon the Bank, as they had formerly been : when 1
up to Mr. Pitt, after the immediate objet of my hirsute*. from
the Bank was over, 1 did in conversation mention the sucum.
stance to him.

Did ally thin% further pani?..—Nothing parfeoilar; I think
Mt. Pitt thanked sue f..r nly inforniatiun, and math, no (waits.
observation.

Did Mr. (Pet tell re any thing of the extent of thexe tram-
tart ions,or when they commenced !—Not that I recollect.
Had you any other on w4h Nye Chancellor of the
Exchequer ilt.Lit the one ,ou It.c ituw stated ?—None that I
teeolleet.

Upon a point adds nature, a frecting the intermt of the Sink,
as well a. those of the public, din it not uc:ur to you to enquire
whether any, or what step, had toren taken in consequence of
your former soggestion look.d upon it that having mule tilsl
matter known to the Chancelbw of the Exchequer, it WAS 111
the hands ntthe person most competent to set any thing right
that might be *tong is the business; Ido not recollect I heard
any thing mute upon the subject in the course of my office.
Dal you, on your return to the Bank, make any minute of
the substance of what had parsed with the Chancellor of the
Exchequer on this subject ?—I mentioned the wetter to the
Committee of Treasury and several of the Directors, but I
mole no particular minute of it; I had alwas s made mi-
nutes when I was in the situation of Deputy Goverunr, but
soother Gentleman was now in that satiation, and the prac-
tice was then discontinued, only a Clerk was appointed to take
minutes of any actual business that passed between the Urra-
V(111111, 4114 i tie Chancellor of the Erwin... mat but matters of
conversati..n were not tec;teled.

is it not usual to catio. a mmute to be taken of anv repre•
sensation made by the Governor or Deputy Governor of the
Bank, which they coneder as official?—This communication
we+ net cionolerrot as official.

Of %ham did the Committee of Treaoiry coitaiet at that
time '—Mr T4(111144 Raikes,Corgnor, Mr. Samuel Therohni,
Sir Ricti.oJ S..!ave, Mr. Darell, Mr. Boaertivirt, Mr
and Mr. Matthew.

Du you recolloct the terms in which you made this ammo
nic.t ton to Mr. Pitt tray as I before stated,.
What was the date of the communication you matte to Mr.
Pitt du not kr.ow, but it was some time after the ~th of
April 1797..

Was any iiihrmation officially given to the Chancellor of the
Exchequer. on the part of the Rank, after yoor communica-
tions made W the Committee of Treasury ?—II do nut recollect
that arty were.

Did you consider the informal, a given to the C•rmmittee of
Treasury, as a matter of busmen brought before them on
which it became them to el, or only as a report of a cunverst.
noir that hail taken place'—Merely in the latter light ; I did
not conceive the Batik Lad any right to apply further on the
subjel to the Chancellor of the Lecheques.
Can you mention iii what terra, you made the communica-
tion to Mr. Pitt told him that I had heard at the Bank that
morning, that the Treasurer of the Navy now kept his cash at
Messrs. Coutts and Company'. instead of the Bank, where 1
undorstood it should be lodged by Act of Parliament ; and that
I had also heard that Navy Bills were now paid by drafts upon
Messrs. Coots and Company, in-deud of drafts upon the Bank.
Are you certain that those are the terms in which you made
the coniniunicat,on?—ll urn not sure of the tennis, it was tight
years ago; but I am sure of the purport.
Had you ally authority from the Bank to mention the con-
versation alluded to, to the Chancellor of the Exchequer !
None, I del it with a view to the public good.
You mentioned it as an individual only cannot say quite
as an iudividual ; 1 was Governor of the Bank at the trine I
learned it the Batik, and Mentioned it to Mr. Pitt, being
Governor of the Rank ; I should not have known it had I not
been in that situation, nor bad any opportunity of making the

D.d you mention the ercurnstarice to Mr. Pitt, as Governor
of the Baiik! 1 had no commission from the !link to mention
it to Mr. Pitt, but I did it in sonversation after the business
was over

By the wurd " business," do you mean such communication

to the C'olocellor of the Excl.euer thoon the b iiiooss of the
Balk, which, a. 4 GJvert to r of the Beak, you woe tkod.ot.sed to
notice to him do.

All the business which von wart ry cornstinnin,re to rhs
Chancellor of the ExcheTter, 41 Cwaverin.r of the Bank, was
concluded previous to any such communication as that to
which you 113,r all.nled was . • • • ••
Might not the eireinstance you mentioned to Mr Pitt have
come equally to the ktiowlerlgo of any holder of a Navy hill,
or to any person whom Mr. Giles intOrIONI as tm did yen '—
Any holder of a Navy biU, who received for payment a draft
upon Cuutts, must certainly know who paid them, but. loss.
haps he might be ignoram from whence the fonds came; but
a•iy person to whom Mr Giles dimmunirated the information
he Aid to me, was eqtt.ll4 master of it as 1 was.
When you ma.le this cousmuoteati‘.n to Mr. Pat, did you
not conceive you wa. discharging your ditty as Gl•elnOf Ole
Bank, although not acting officially >-1 had no COMMSIIOO
from dm Bank, but 1 thought it a duty today public Mr. Pitt
should know it.

Was the Deputy Governor of the Rink present at this eon.
veraation with Mr Pitt, or it,ty other river, make uri doubt
the Deputy Governor was, though 1 do not absolutely recollect
the circumst.o. 2, for 1 always avoided going alone to the Chan-
ce•llor of the .hequer when 111 Jo; GUVCTIUr of the Rank, le,r,
by failure of me mot), 1 might ever omit any part of the bu.i
nmis I had to do. _

Who was llsputy Governor at that time'—Mr. Snood
Thornton.

The further Examination of Thnmas Raikes, Esq. taken the
Siff of May, 180 a.

When Mr. Giles id trilled s o,t of the circumstance ti` the
Treasurer of the Na., ket•ping his cash at a private banker's,
did he throw out any hint that such money was applied for the
profit of any person?—' o.
Did any such l'11:3 suggest itself to you, or did you at the
time ever hear it, or know any thing of the matter cannot
say but I had some sdspicioa of it, but nobody ever told me,
nor did any thing of the kind ever come to my knowledge.
Du you recollect staong any suspicion of that sort to Mr.
Pitt, or throwing out any hint tending that way t—Ai I knew
nothing of that kind, 1 had no right to throw out auspicious.
When did you first entertain such susisicions ?—When Mr.
Giles first mentioned it to me.

THE EXAMINATION Or AIEARAM HOLDSMID, ESQ.

TAKEN me 10th OF MAY, 1805.

Were you one of the Contractors for the loan which was
made no November 1795 ?-1 think I was; I am almost sure
was but h cannot speak positively.
Can you recollect the number of instalments, and the pe-
riod. at which the iiiitalinerits were to be paid'—Most as-
suredly Ora.
Uo you vcrillect what was the state of the money market in
August 1/0G ?—lt i, impossible to recollect exactly, but I think
money was wane all 6.4 year.
From your recollection of the scarcity of money at that pe-
riod, d r you conceive that Navy Hills, or the Acceptance, of
the Ea,t ludic Coml. ny to bills drawu upon them from their
Yrest•leucies abroad, were securities ali,cou•rtable, or on which
money might have been obtained by plait ng such ter:with-a ?
—Most assuredly not; I myself sold them at a large discount ;
with difficult,' you could not get more than 1,0001. or 2,0001.
but I:othitig large could be depended on ; it was only chance,
and not to he relied on in any large sum.

THE EXAMINATION OF ALIXANDER TROTTER, ESQ.
TAKKor sErore TNC COMMITTEE ON THE rtrini
NAVAL REPORT, 3u OF MAY, 1805.

Stela to the Committee what sums were applied to services
rpt naval, of the monies issued for the service of the nave um
der the Treasurership of Lord Melville, to what amount, and
at what time'—Lord Melville never g lee me any information
upon the application of monies iAtied under such circumstances,
and 1 only judge of the sum alluded to having been applied to
other services, filen the cireunisunce of its having bt*st up-
turned by a parson &Chug in &outlier department of Cia%ere-
meet.

What was that gt!ITI 2-40,0001 as far as I am informed ;
It was not Lino., by me.
'll, whom w.. 1 it iaotsd!-.4 believe by Mr. Mini, who
0nmit,...1 fur ate during my absence, having been at that time
in Scotland.

What Mr2lithe data of the issue?-1 am IMt enalt,ed to in-
form you with may degree of act army ; but I think it mu.t have
been atone time between the middle of August and the end of
Odober, in the year 1796.
Wav Mr. Wilson employed w traosoft Wine.; for yen dur-
ing your ahrence!—.lle was in the habit of officiating foe roe,
but not under any regular ;rower, whets I wa., ..b.ent hunt the
office

By what authority or powar could Mr. Iron issue such
40,0004?-1 kit him in possession of drafts upon the Bank of
England, signed by m. self as Ate iniey to the Treasurer.
Were Otos: drafts tilled up by yourself for certain sums, nr
your signature left to blanks in Mr. Wilmies
My signature was affixed to blanks lift in Mr. Wilson's mi..
and which I found necessary to carry on the towline.'
of the Pav Othos to present the accident, in came of my it
or .3ccasonal ahionce, of the cashiers making imexpatied or
sudden demarielt for the public service.
Were the blanks for tire names as well as the sums left :
They were.
Dail you communie3rMns with Mr. Wilson dorm% vont
absence, on the subjett of the accounts of the Pay 0.!1::!—I

Are thaw communications presorted !—.Titcy are net, as far
ail know.

Whet is become of them '....lfavinit cheap the whole of this
business in quewime. I dni nut think it at ad necenury to pre.
11.!rve, any pant nf the documents tol.sUing to•it.
What dal youth) with thew ?—.l looked ;:pon then. es paper
of nn consequence; and they must hare been destro, eti with
other ',open. which I may have also looked upon r paper of
no C0111110411,14Ce to be rne,erveJ.. •

Are you aut.. they are not now In exi.fritvo am potitiye-
ly eeitain ; and that they never connoted, at far as I know, of
more than letters which Mr. W it"' hart written to ate on the
qu'neet during my ahoonce.
When did you detttny them'-1 cannot reeolle-t, bitt eel.
tainly more than one or two year{ au; and 1 fancy in 1804
when I was out of Mk*.

On your return frost your absences, CA Mr. Willoll give
you a regular account in ',thine of his transaerions in the Niel,
l'av Mee dark( such absences ; be was nut ni the ha-
bit of doing so
I Nay then emld you see or None at ilie knowledor of What
those transactions had been, rn what the conduct of Mr. Wil-
Min had been was informed of his transaction; as I have al.
ready said, by en-ree,sandence with bins ; and from bit so!
high ,Iraracter,and the perfect tottEd-nce which I had in hint, I
did not fond it necessary to require more from use than
explanations upon ally particular point of transactions • hteli
had taken place in my abseares
Did Mr. Wilson keep a.. y account hooks or ledgers in which
those transactions were rego.tered do not believe suet any
entry was made in any ledger of the traissictions which you
have paitieulaely alluded to
(Question repeated )--Ile kept the public lerlcers ooh the
office in winch all my public transactions hare been regularly
entered.

Are ifinse ledgers its existence '—Tlt,• are, and in the Navy
Paw Office.

Was cie .um of 411,0001. :Moiled to lir ynu us having been
paid by Mr Wil,on to setsices not tarsal, in thy year 179 d,
the only sum paid under the 111111 P circuoistances of which you
have any loriouledie ?—lt eras, as Ca as I recollect.
Did yori never ti.iy any sum or sums yourself by draft or
notes, or par mein id any description. :nto the hands o• Lord
Melville, or any person authorised by him, or on his account.
of public ninitey ass ied for naval services for purpose. not naval
—I hare already explained my difficulty to the Commissioners;
of Naval Enquiry, of discriiniustiog between my public and
private monies; and I have alre.ssly declared to von, that I did
not knew the application which Lord Melville may have
made of advances which I may have occasionally mad: to his
Lord,hip..

(Question repeated)-.4 presume I have.
At what time, and to what amount '—M/ recollection slues
not enable me to answer that question.
Were any entries made by you or any other person aothor-
o.erl by you, in any books or ledgers, or any mem•irardum
kept of any description, of such payment !--I kept reviler ac-
counts of all my money tiansactotons with Lord M•ls,ile; hut
basing closed and settled the whole of them, atot a nii,tual re-
lease having passed between US, I have notahou; .tit neceaaary

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• •>k -
to prestrve any documents repilkeini as w ,
those d.cuinents in Inman' i—They are net, ;
I know —afars
When were they destroyed e I ws: out think in 1803. oiamik
Did you destroy them
Il ya. I Maass. e,e`fAary to keep.
ISid those books or doeumen , accounts wt.,
any. other persons besides my Lord Melville ?—rm-..y •
When sirsirthe release befure.mentioneel executed'—.l„
qH
year 1803, to the best of my iceellection. •
When payments of the dei:ription were made, were the, al.
ways made to Lord Melville personally ?—Not slwass •
Did you ere, !-1 do not, at this moment, recollect I eve,
did.
T,, whom did you ever pay, on Lord Me!ville's account pit•
lie money, for pur,ariaes nor naval ?-1 used num frequently
ry
pay then into the hands of the prinelpol money conduct-o,a,
of the officers dr the Nary Poy (Mice, -
What was Ili: name?—Mr. Tweedy; he is now dead.
What other person del you make such payments to
not recollect any other persons at this moment,
How lone 1136 Mr. Tweedy been dead ?..:I'wo or three
since Lord Melville, Treasurership ceased
To a hat other persons did you make stioh payments to'—
I Jo flit recollect any ether person. •

Was there any account between Mr. Tweedy and tqu....
None.

Whet WAS the nature of the discharge you r:ceircd fi.o
Mr. Tweedy ?—.4 took no discharge.
What authoriry did Mr. Twer.ly produce m you f,
payment of t.aeh moray'.—The demand for such mousy lue
previously been made by Lani ?Melville to mysclf.
Verbally, or in writing?—Verbally.
•
Dill you keep any account of the sums paid to Mr Twet
in coo lot,nre of such 'ft.,' demands of Lord ?ielrills!..4
entered them in the accomes which kept with hirl..yeistip.
Are they in exit.tencel have already mentioned, tbiai
had not thought it necessary to prner re soy accounts NI".
Lord Melville and myself, a mutual reliant haring pasitg be,
tween us.

Do you know the amount of any such sums which yea
may have paid to Mr. Tweedy?—My recollection does ro4
serve me to specify any such sti TR
Do you recollect any thing about the eate of such pap
ment, do not.
Do you recollect what sort of sums they may have been
Once or twice they may have amounted to between Sand
40001. but i.et larger.
To what other peeving dui you make such payments to, h.-
sid -is Mr. Tweedy '—l do not recollect.

In making suits payment: to Mr. Twerdy, did Tim copiid,,
him as a public Officer, or a private Agent of Lord Mthige
—I obeyed Lord Melville's directirms in paying the amoi
him, without pretending to emwider whether he was a pony
agent or not.
Ilad you aim public money traniac:ioni; with Mr. ?lot*
otficialv had.
__.. • _

Where were those public official transactions recorded'--In
the Navy P .y Office.
Are the yaw:twins to Mr. Tweedy, by Grml Mehillei refial
or.ler, rcc3rdvil there also f—They ars not 'n any instance.

Do you know into whose hand. the 409,0001. pawl by Mr.
Wi'son doting your abtenee the year 1; 90, yorlases
not Nasal, was placed only know Lon, the informankAa
%die:. Mi. Wdtrut hes even use upon that subject.
What was that loroeroation he had pnd the stoney
to Lord Melvalle.

By when, and at what time, was that money returald
have already stared in J•neral ternsa, that l Sete's) it to he
returned by Mr. Long; but I can on'y speak with my new
knowledge in rrtret to the last payment, whi,h, a. tar .s
tin recollect, amounted to 6,000 t., and which w,. returned
me by Mr. Long some time in January 17911.

At what petite' or perinds was ttte 94,0001. teturned, Ind te
whom ?-1 hare ttn fuathct knowledge of the cimiimuaece,
I was much in Scotland in the latter eml of i ;54, and in the
year 1757, and the repayments weut mete, to the best my
knowledge, during my a,Aencei hut 1 its eery certain that
the 6,0001. which I re.etvt-J in January 17,...11,essinMetrA the
full leoaymoot of the 40,1001
. _

W ere any entries mad, us the olierabooku of such repay.
malts'—None that 1 know og
How thrit did yao come to the conflates of the yoysient
of ti,uUCl. in January 1709, making tars balance n! the
41,00nt. pad out as befhre stated in the year 1796 L.Foira a
knowledge which I have at all times had of the *Luc a:* my
balances, by which I must have seen whet any defisisacy Clot
may bate exioed was paid op.
How came you then not to see the dates of the repayments
of loch 31,:001. ?-1 make no doubt that I may have are., use
data, but I have no recollection of them whatever.
Where were they recorded?—lii my ua ir private books
Where are those broass!—•They are the hooks be er:miens
tioioel, which I did rod think necessary to preserve.
W-re the sums paid to Mr. Tweedy by Loot bftlelle's we-
bat order ever returned to you, or in any way repaid to the ac-
count of the Pubic in the Navy Pay (Mee, or to any other
fund t—i-They have uninationahly been all repaid to me, and
have accounted for the whole of,the .tiny that has barn put
under my eharge for Naval fersiees.
D.d Lord MeiLlie pay interest to you for such sumsdoring
the time thew were in his possession ?—Lord Melville has mid
tie inter:we War sums of matey, but not upon those which I
have siat,d to have been paid to \lr. Tweedy.
Vlrho are Mr. Tweedy's executors'—lie I,ft two sons bat
whether they ate he ea-tutors or nut I do not know.
Was silt interest paid on the 40..00 I advanced durieg ran
Ossetic. b. Mr. Wilson!—None that I know of.

Were tne aum• advanced to Mr Tweedy advanced our of
the mined fund at Mosses. Crum', or were they advanced ~41
of a fund which cunaisted exdusieely of pubic money
net rerol'ect any nth r advances than thus• made out of due
snivel fuud at Messrs. C ,utte.

What reawnt had yarn for considering that the 40,0001. was
aleaucrut out ot the 011,14 more? !..4t oar boni a cvnefal isa-
peusion wench I, re.:evred from tlic coruntunicali .04 made to
um upon this 4thiet r. and I du not know whether (ht. eO,OOOL
wat advance.' lions hlortes. Ccolill% or not.

Whit toss ha,' beta the total amount or money, described
to he advanced at diff,rent times to Mr. Tweedy by order of
lewd Mevi•te, as nearly as you can recollect a—The total
alhoont of monies of this description, to the twat of try re.
esttecti.rn, have nicer, to the whole, exceeded ;39,0001. uotti
the sum of 44,0901. was added to it ; but 1 cannot state rid
certainty that the w'inte of the IMPS constituting that 50,0001.
way 114.ineed 10 M. 'tweedy.
To is'irim w.. any poet of the 10,0001. advanced, which was
net paid terflet. Tweeds'.-1 havewaready statist, that Ido 'A.,

recollect.
Within venal period of time did these iisties take Oat, —4
mean to rompreheti.l the whole time duriiig which I ICl,'`a
Prymasier under Lad Melville, fur 14 or 15 years.
Why did von d.mtroy papers in which other arsonist
&Mild, wen- i.ept, as well as Lord Melvilles
whole of inv aci:ounts were closed upon my leaving Lornlar.,
excepting scene prirrate faintly concern% and very will -
co ant. h. tween my friends aid myself, which I V 0644 forwt
Into new hooks. I d.-.ire to state to my former answers
10,0001. of the 30,0001. had accrued afore I was appoint,d
my office.

$v whom was the 10,0001. advanced not knme.
How (Int e,nt know the existence of such • dent '-151 Laid
Melville's aekntinicilgtionit to me.
To whom did ha acknowledge himself debtor!-.4t
office.tLt
Of how long standing laid that dabs been bait
toowledge of the ciicumttanee.
To whom was that 10,0001. repaid '—lt must have beta re.
paid to me.
In what capacity did yon receive that turn that you had newt
advance' !—ln capacity of plimaltu..
Did you then conceive it to be a deft due to the reSlic?-•
Idid

W.ll any Interest pull upon it'—V.>ne.
Fled not Lord Melville made such ackin.ole Igment,rouldivo
have utwed such debt due from him to the public, 11l Met Cf
the offire-trraiiks ?—I could certitinly have told that the bsliom
of the account put under my charge wav so much deficient.
WA. Lord Melville debited fur such sum in any of the
books ?—He was not.
What was the nature of the acknowledgment of Lord
title ,—Mcr•lv verbal.
13 cl you cm.ceive Mr. Tweedy aeon as a private agent
,f
Lord Melville. oc ever aLliiig fur him in tha capaeill •-•

Into, in these it:stances, to have beet a.lic.g for
pin a private capacity.
Ovate 7—lslerely as a person sent to Me by his
a receive the sporicy which I had pretiously been
pay him.
• those direttions from Lord Mcl-illa to procure money
or, or to procure hint pubtic money !—To procure
generally.
you consider Mr. Tweedy merely as • messeng,N to
money to Lord Melvifle, or concerned in the appli-
the money ?—Aferely as a nitssener.
• examination of Alexnuder Trotter, Esq. taken on
the 4h May 1805.
,ms yon have advaneed from tints, to time to Lord
not exceeding the 20,0001. as inentionesl yesterday,
sEI i.orr whether ny part of It was apptied to any pubiic
do riot, buat beg to be understood, that this sum
mentioned yesterday, is not connected with the sums
\ate mentioned before this Commissioners of Nasal
hare been ocesmonaly in advance to Lord Mel.
tar which I accounted his Lordshy my private

Leath report it is mentioned, that a certain sum was
%Trotter s hands, as the balance of the first part of
'treasurership, where is that sum now, amounting
vs. Sd.?—The greater cart of it is still in my lum-
ina a small part has been paid away at one pay-

was the amount of the small payment issued
ndied pounds t the Cashier to maim payment of a
demand, assisted by money in theCuhier's hands.
was that payment made l—lt was made in December
nd I hese taken measures within thews twu days to pay
,hole balance.
as are the measures you have taken '—l have enquired
Abe amount of balances remaining unmsigned in that
twilhOwlskip, with • view se pioewee assignineans being suede
-•- reduci. the balaece.
ihem you propose to pay the balance, when it is sn
—The account being nearly closed, I expea direr.
the Auditor's office to pay the balance into the Ea.

•
obstacles have there been in the way W an earlier set-
a this account'—From the peculiarly intricate man-
m.hthe account of the Ex-treasurers are required to
1, but which intricacy arises from the soiaute accuracy
ebrerved,
is a certain sum mentioned in the 155th pose of the
:Todd the Ciimmissioners of Naval Enquiry, of the
1,611 61. 21d. which was put into Lord s,feleilles
rrah in May or June 1800, which was the balance of
first treasurership' ending in 1783 ; do von
when that sum now is ?—I do not, any further than I
beard Lord Melting, within these three weeks or a
say, that he meant to pay it immediately into the Ex-

the state of the accounts of Lord Melville': first tree-
p, could that balance hays! ben earliw paid into the
apprehend not until withut these three or four
until which time that account of his Lordship had
,6eheeted to the auditors.
what dues that depend, the deliver y to the auditors
'—
I arangement of the account, in the minims manner
. I have endeavoured to describe, in wh.rh the whole
Inent. made in the treasurership are brourht to agree in the
"t of the sums as certified to the several board., er.th the
. made up in a rhfferent form, and delivered to ithe att-
.
fbether any of the payments which yowhid made to Mr.
sedy, by Lord direction, had any relation to those
umstineet which lord Melville had confidentially coin-
nieated to you, and which you did not deem yourself at It-
relate, as mentioned in page 203 in the Tenth Re-
had no such allusion.

mines, &tires to amend his evi lance of yesterday. as
advam,d to other persons besides Mr. Tweedy: see
,5l Mar. In Inokine at my banker's book, I find that
sass no illy made payments tote the houses of Messrs.
Drummond and Wessel. Collt?i, sod to my I.nrd Melville's
Ileeretam, Mr. Alves, and other members of Ws Lorthhip's

oyes nwan to ray that all there parment,. A led to the
~.aru,nts nude to Mr. Tweeds. du rot es.-erd to the W 1111,!.
4114414117.1 the whole tiake of Sour acting as pay !nnter to
11‘1•114., aim CVIII or 40,G001. 1....Up0n a fu tt het &milkier-
of tke sums which 1 stated y -dentay, I should with to
. that :um twang three thuo-and imund
'hen clAyour pirate agency lupin with Lod Malvile '—
not recoli.xt i I had nu regular appoitament a. p irate

ere any arts of private agency performed by von for Lori
.IA, previous to your appointment at pay tr....ter of the
-.Not an M.
did the private agenev cease has 'Mt CP

A• y ri eerfoned ai.y act of private ag,ney since the X.
Aiun of the re.le.ivn in 184:13 ?—I have.
What if, yno moan by mernt.ers of 11..Jrd
ice hk domestic eery, nts

(The Witness wishes to amend a s A nswe- of yesterday, in
• CO, NI May—.l have already aniencle'd my Evident
terdiy, so far as to say, that I had made advances for
Melville to others besides Mr. Tweedy; and I have now
rr to amend my arisyr,r o yesterday, by sayin.z. tint;
• of those advances made to others than Mr. Ta but
luting the sum as I said yesterday of 20,0001. and to
611 to day I have added two or three thousand pounds, wer.,
mend from funds exclus4ety of public mon-, ; and I wish
this to rifer to my Evidence elven before the Comnsosioners
Naval Fnquiry, in pale VCI, is an explanation ti an am
leer that I then gave on that subject, and which, as I did not
recollect at that time the circumstances now mentioned, was
thee nen.ctly correct; and I roust further amend my eyitlen,e
tof yeett,lav by now saying, that I do not think Lord Mr lyri'-
ate me verbal, or any onstractions, in some instant, whenon
had advanced sums of money for hue Lerd.top to Mr
Yeetly

tpoii what autisority did sou make such advance,?-1 act.
• those instance, fen me own jufttnent in the manage-
,t of his Lordship's conteo.a.
(011 had at times a:tbal instructions from Lutd
I had

4 the sums advanced to Mr. Tweedy and oth.rs, for the WWI
Lord Melvilleotated by you yesterday to amount to the suet
20,0001. to which ynu have added a further .um et 2 or
sum). to-slay,Cllll you now, mann recolleti ion , stite how 'nod
pollen: And how much was private nvoiey ha•r• tats
.ails Ll enable me to state that circumstance sivtli accuracy.
hiss. to state i• ennerally.—As nearly As I can MAW it, about
ae half public and one half private.
Do yqu 11144.1 to say one half exclusively publie'—.t do.
Do you mesa the other half excluoveli private ?--.1 mean
`other half to have beets principally advanced from my &e-
-n at the !unite of Meyers. Coutes and Contl,any.
•"ith',a4r,lnttet 'rum 10 to 20,03 1. mentioned in the Tenth
Report to have been made made by you to Leal Melville At
different times. hart you now any means of jnelging what part
'as potent and what part private money believe the whole
bare been advanced from my accounts at the house of
Mes,rs.Coutts and Company.
Was inte,est always paid by Lord :tic:vine to you on thaw
advancer was riot.

Was it ever paid !.—No i hi, Lou.lship paid m 0 uo interest for
glossae advances.
What was it the induced you to exerri.e your judgment in
payments to Mr Tweedy, without any direaion from
Melville so to do; was it from on? knowledge of the mart-
in which the monies so paid to Mr. Tweedy were In be op.
cd On account of Lord Melville'-1 allude to private trans-
lions in the management of Lord Melville 's private business,
which I had general directions, although not specific dtree
is Ott every occasion.
Are the Committee to miderstand thi,t movie of the pay.
dents made to Mr. Tweeds, on Lord Addyillia's account, were
made to Mr. Tweedy as to a person who had the management
Lord Melyille's private affairs?—\lr. Tweedy hail not the
Inagement of laird Melville's private affair'
Atplatu to the Committee what cirerinwsnce could induce
a to pay to Mr. Tweedy money on account of Lord Mel-
ville's private affairs, without Lord Melyille's direction, and
without considering Mr Tweedy as being any private agent of
Lord Melville'.'-1 have ahead) said that I had genera; direc-
tions front Lord Melville in the management of his private af-
fairs, though not speciSc ones in every instanc • ; and when
any sum of money came into my hands upon los Luld*hilA
letntalt, I have taken it upon me to apply that swourry without
directions Iron his Lordship.
What were thuse gmval direailni!—lt was a viral per.

. ' I :
mission Iti at it lAA Maivigi as I thought proper, ii, hi;
private albino . . .
Thu further gidenination of Alexander Trotter, Esq. t.,ll:en
the 6th of May, ladd
Con you recollect any thing about the repayment ol she spe-
cific cum of 10,0001. which, at your cnitimencilig Payma,t-r,
Lord Melville acknowledged to you that he owed to tli, Public'
—1 do nut.
What sums did you annually receive, as my Loud Melville's
agent, from other sources, saving those of his salary as Trea
surer of the Navy do not recollect any regular annual pay-
ments made to me upon his LoraMip`s account, although
have received considerable mins. and ia many instance,.
Can you form any opinion of the average cannt.
Did you receive, as far as you ar.l informed, all Load S.l-1-
ville's private income in the capacity of his private ageot
believe I received all his ineouse striving in this country, but I
cannot speak with certainty.
Did you receive for him his salary as Treasnrer of the Navy?
—1 did.

The whale of it'—As far as I recollea, I dad.
H lye you brought the date of the releases
What are they ?—They were acaed by Lard Melville upon
the 18th of February 1103, cud by myself upun the 3,:xl at that
'swath.
Vol having stated yourself to be still private agent to Lord
Melville, what circipustances then ted to the execution of me-
teal ►elea,n between you and Lord Melville !—.4 know no cir-
cumstance, excepting that of hie Lordship having left this
country, and, as I thought, without aim intentional returning;
and I conceived that it would be a satisfaction to Loud Melville
as well as myself thst our heirs in use of the death of either, of
us, should have as tittle trouble as possible in arranging t..e se-
veral accounts which had reined mo long between us.
Were the book of account destroyed before or after the use•
cutinn of the releases!—lt was after that date.

Win preceded you as Pay master'—.Mr. Doregles.
Is he dead?—He is.
When did he die!--In December 17f15.
Have yeu any means of knowing how long Lord Melville
had had iii his possession the sum of 10,0001. which Lord
Melville acknowledged to have had in his possession at the tone
you became paymaster'-1 have not.
How did Lord Melville deicribe to you that he had become
possessed of the 10,0001, which he then described himself to
owe to the Navy Pay Ofece?-1 do nut remember that hi.
Lordship explained himself to me upon that s.,eice•
Had you any means of knowing whether t .it had .) •en ap-
plied to a public or a private purpose?-e-I had nut, further
his Lordship having expressed his apprehensions that it might
ultimately be prejudicial to his interest.
In what manner?—.lie did not enter further in explanation
with me en the subjea.
When you described this sum of 10.0001. to make part of a
14IM of 30,0001. which had been advaoi et to Mr Tweedy for
the tee of Lord Melville, td you mean that you had been in-
irmed by Mr. Tweedy of this aunt biiiig 40 ap:.110.1; o was :t
tom Lord Melville only that you derived any knowledge of
this sum of 10,0001.1-e-1c was loam Lord Melville oily that I
had arty information upon the subjeil of this 10,0001.; and if
I have conveyed, by my former evidence, the idea that thi.sitm
of money hail been advanced to Lord Melville then:eh the
means of Mr. Toes:4.l mist beg to correct that stateme-t.
Has that 10,0001. been repaid'--.That 10,0001 as well 42
every other sum fer which Lord Melville has been indebted to
the public, as Treasurer of the Navy, and which has accrued
since the year 1786, when I was appointed Paymaster, ha►
repaid.

The further Examination of Alexander Trotter, Esq taken
7th of May, 1103.
Where were the Heaves executed between you and Lord
Melville ?—The relea.e was signed by his Lordship at his own
house in Scotland, and by myself in London.
Did any converAtion re'ative to the account books, or thcir
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destriee ton, take place between you air. Lord Weenie pr...rieos
to their being destroyed ?....The subject never came under con.
moderation between his Lordship oral myself, to the best of
My recollection.
Has any subsequent conversation taken pare on that subject
—.None, except of my having informal his Lordship of the
fact, and the regret which we have birth felt on the circum.
stance.
Has any communication by letter, before, or sitter, taken
place U? 011 that Stlllien?--140fle whatever.
Can you give to the Committee any more precise exidanation
of the conversation which you related yesterday to have taken
place between Toil and Lord Melville, at the time littacknew-
ledged his debt of lit 0001. to the po when you coin.
minced Paymaster, r can you now re•U'ltct with mute pre
eision what the wet& were used by Lord Melville?..-I am
emery, freer the di mace d time when that cuuveriation took
piece. that. I have it not in my powey to give any turtle., ex-
planation upon that subject.
Main to repeat his word., es near as you can recollefi, that
you before ineritioned!—.tlis Lordship expressed his appre.-
hensions that the circumstance alliided to might ultimately
prove prejielic,al to him, and which I concluded to be meant
in a pecuniary light.
What circumstance?—Tito circumstanee ni the ba'snee put
tinder my charge being about 10,0001. Irs. Oast the baimiee fur
which he was emuntable to the public.
Do you keow whether Lied Melville ha. attested an. re-
turned to the proper officer, the general statement rat his ac.
counts transmitted to hint to *Pest, but which, as appears in
the 134th page of the Tenth Report, hail nut been returned
to Vie Accountant, which prevented the account from being
delivered into the Auditor'. Office ?-eilis Lordship 11. ts attested
and returned the account, and it was detained At the rime
which the Accnuiteint meetions, from the st.tentent telich
had been cent to hie Loamy hat his attestation harm.: ben
found iricumpiete.
Are the drafts drawn iipon the Rank from the Navy Pay
• Office, witen paid, returned to the urtfi.!e at stated perrit...f
. They are always return.' when the ho rk is balanced, which
has heen generally, but irot invariably, once a mouth.
When returned, are they preserved ?....They have not been
pre eyed, as they are coosetered to be of nu use when the
balance is agreed.
Duette thole years you wee Paymatte-, did you receive in
all, upon Lord Melville. potato account, to the amount of
20,0001.?-1 certainly have.
What were the sources of income in England, of which
you descilied yourself yeatedir to be in the receipt on accniint
of Lord Melville?-1 have, I believe, isiefernily received he
salary as Treasurer of the Navy ; but I de not recollect Out any
other receipts which have come into my hands of his Lord-
ship's income were derived from airy pitting situatkon, Mt have
beet, coofine to sums which I may have received in the ma•
hag enent of his private affairs.
What was the largest sum you *ter had in your hands of the
private account of Led Melville at one timeleeThat are.ears
perfectly impossible for ma to ascertain, As his private transac-
tions passed ouonelt an Account current in which his Lordship
was generally indekted to mot ; but at other times the balance
was in favour of his Lordship, when I neither cherry-d interest
upon any balance due by his Lordship, linr did I charge myself
with any interest at times when the balance may have been iii
his Lord.hip's favour.
Do you recollect the largest balance in the account current
that ever appeared in favour of Lord elevate ?—..ln an account
comprehending so long a perked, it is very difficult for me to
give an accurate answer to that question; hut it certainly has
at some time been as large as between 2,0001. tar 2,0001. in
Lord Melville's favour.
Do you recollect the largest balance in the account current
that ever appeared in your favour, wall the um. degree of
accuracy ?--21 do Rot recollect with the same degree of accuracy,
but I have upon a former occasion declared it hail never ex-
ceeded from 10 to 20,0091.
Do you now allude to the sums, mentioned in your evidence
before the Comrnisienners of Naval Enquiry, to have been ail-
vanced In you occasionally to Lord Melville, to the sums men-
tioned by you in your evidence halve this Committee to ham
been a fenced to Lied Melville through the hands of Mr.
Tweedy, Mean. Drummend, and others, or to any Mlle
suns, t—l allude to the sums which I had oreasiessally ad-
vanced to Lad Melville, as seated in the Tenth Report ; but
some of them imeasiolial advance may have been Made 'brevet
the hands of Mr. Tweedy, Messrs. Drummemdsee others.
Are the Committee Mill to understand that men the
advances of from 10 to ROAM. as ere in the Tenth
Report, to be distinct and different from the advances of
23.0001. made in you in the whole, as stated by you nictitate.*
benre this Committee t—They are still to understand to.
• flirt thew different advance's all pass through your account
, current with Lord Melville ~..They dii not.


Distinguish which il.d aod which del not?—l cannot do it
from memory.
'lave:roe any document,. to refer to!-1 have already stated
that I have none, and toy regn•t for that mrcionst.itice.
Why were some of the advanocs placed in the account cur-
rein, and others not'.-.1 only placed the sums in the account
of which I knew of the airwrorrriatturt S of the appropriati.m of
the other sums I was igirovant.
Doren mono by appropriation, that you had the payment
of such.t•ams OA behalf rif loud —l.Vith regard to
tbo account Lunette, I do.
You have stited to the Committee, in a former part of your
e•idence, that you did receive i•.tercst on urns* advances wade
to Lord NI-tribe, on others none ; you hove to day stated,
that in th► second current you 11 ol neither charged interest
to Lord Melville, when the 'silence in that account appeared
in your favour, oor paid it when it appeared its favour of his
Lordship; on what advances then dad year charge interest
alluded to a turn of money which his Lordship direled me to
borrow, and far which, ha, Lordsiiip paid a regular interest of
31 per ceinum.
The further Eta-nitration of Alexander Trotter, Esq.—taken
the oth of May 11105.
Were you the tender of the money borrowed for Lord Mel-
•ille, and for which he paid an interest
What was the amount recollection does not enable
mete state this with accurai.v ; but I believe, to the b^st of hay
knowledge, that It was a sues nut exceeding horn 20 to 2,40001.
Is that sum repaid?—lt u.
flow long since ?_—Four or five years.
Was you agent for the whole of Lord Malville's income
arising horn private sources in England !—Ar far as I know
Was so.

Were you in the receipt of the whole or any part of Lord
Melville'. income, arising fmm private sources in Scotland :•
Ills Lordship has made me frequent renintatice. from Scotland;
but 1 do not Lnuw from what *maces they arose.
You were not then reenlarly in the receipt of Lord Mel-
ville's income aruiug from private sources in Scotland ?-..1 was
not.
Do you know ofany instance between August 1796, and
January 1798, of any Navy hill or Vidualling bill becoming
dae and pres.u.ted for payment, not haying been paid whin
practiced, owing to the want of effeds (or the payment of such
Navy and Victualling bill '—That certainly is not within my
knowledge.
Must you have known it from your !vitiation in the Iga vy
Pay office, if such an event bad anually happened ?-ail think I
must unquestionably have known it.
D,ring that period, in a former part of your evidence, von
have stated that you were in Scotland; had such a circumstance
happened during your absence in Scotland, would it have been
eommunicated to you officially, either by Mr. Wilson or Mr.
Swaffield, Caahier of the Victualling bills?—Undoubtedly
a circumstance so singular would have been communicated to
me by one or other of those Gentlemen, especially as I do not
believe or recollect that any such circumstance had occurred
during the whole time 1 acted as paymaster of the Navy.
What is the longest period at any one time of your absence
from London, during tlva time that you ,35 Payntaste,, daring
which period Mn. Wilson was drawing money from the Bank
with Wank checks signed by you was absent from the Pay
9.9ce, I believe, between three and lour months in the year
1797, upon the occasion of my marriage in Scotland ; but I
base very soldoin been absent fruin the office fur any period of
time newly a?proaching to this.
(Vlr. '►'miter produced rakaie between hint and Lord Afd•
.die—Rs!ease read.)

fnr further Examination of :wander Trotter, Esq. taken the
10th of May 1801.
Whn r....,v the release between you and Lord Melville 1—
Mr. ,„rottilwoode, of Sackrille-street, my Solicitor.
Le dead I—Yes.
Who settled it'-1 do not know if any one.
WilO gars the instruaions for proceeded from an
advice of Mr. Soottiswoode himself, who brought me the
deed ready prepared, withoat :.ny particular instruttion; Iron,
any one.
Was any particular instrualon given, or rE.I any order or
conversation take place upon the particular part of the deed
which relater to the gir true uts oedema waren ref wesetiers et other
documents?—Pone Mat I remember, excepting Mr. Spottis-
woode's general olaktrvation, that it would be no longer neee•s.
sat), to prewrrc anyvnuchers teating to accuuuts between Lord
' and mysel f.
The further Examination of AJewander Trotter, Esq. taken
the Idth of May, 160.5.
. .

You have stated, in your evidence before the Ceti missioners
of Naval Enquiry, that upon the death of Mr. Adam Jelleme
you took pusses ion of mine of his private papers; videlicet, all
three which you Monett neeesvary, as tending to secure his
iiiiblic balance; have any of those papers or books been destroy.
ed by you, or by your direftion, or to your knowledge?—They
have not.
Caw you now, upon rccolleaion, sa.te whether you ever
were in possession of, or ever had a view of Jellicue's private
ledger never was in postemian of it ; I think I have seta it,
but never to look Mee it with atterition.
Where d d you see it think at the Pat Ofßee.
In whose bends, in whose possession, or whose emendy was
it when yon saw it ?-1 do nut know in whose custody it was,
but I think it was in rho hands of the Accomptand' Mr. Black.
When did you see it ?eel have no recollectien whatever.
Aleom what time as near as you can reenllecl do not re-
callect haying seen it much later then the period whet Mr.
Jelliene died.
It ia stated be Mr Samuel Jellicne, in his evidence before
the Commissioners of Naval Enquiry, page 423, that it WAS
converted to by you teat he %herbed pay a debt of 4,ri001. due
by Mtn to the est.te of his father, by iastal.nents of 2001. a
year, and that he haul paid to you the sum of 2,0501 up to the
31st of Starch 1809 ; and it appears that Lord Melville was
acquitted of the deficiency of Mr. Adam Jellicue by a writ of
Privy Seal, dated the 29th of May Ithid ; have you received
any further instalment upon the said debt, or did you com-
municate to the Solicitor of the Treasury, to the Secretary of
the Treasury, or in any other way, to the Board of Treasury,
your consent te the payment of the sane debt of 4,0001.
by instalments, and did yeti furnish then) with a state-
ment of the Instalments paid, and balances due towarda
the period of the sealing of such writ ?...My consent was
probably obtained to the payment of this debt by the instal-
ment. meinionect by Mr. Jellicne : but I have lately seen Mr.
Jellicne, who recalled to my retedloction that the afire-ment to
reduce that debt, by the annual paynienta of 20h1 wet made
between else solicitor of the treasure and him. I have stated I
to the etimenissioners of naval enquiry that I had no authority I
to call fur money due to the most.- of the hue Sir. Jellicoe ; I
however did net fail to use my best endesvours to collect any
money which I thought I could obtain in reduction ref his debt
by applying to these from when, 1 knew it was due; in this
light I appeared to have applied t, Mr. Samuel dellicoe, and to
have received the several instalments mentioned bo hieevelenee,
which 1 have brought to account, with aU the other sums
which I have received upon the act:omit of the tare Mr. Jelli-
coe, and they are included in the account published in the
Tenths Report, iiitituled, " An Account in Trust fur the Es-
tate of the late Mr. Adam Jellieod: " I apidied to Mr. Samuel
Jellicue sonic tune betvreeii March and Julie IEOO for a pay.
meet as far as it was then doe, or up till the last term of pay-
ment, which lie sent to use, and it is accordingly brought to
account in my trust account but 1 have never made any ap-
plication since that time fur any further payment, nor have I
made any communication of statement of the account to the
Board of Trusury. fir to the eel eitor, as the agreement was not
made by me, nee had I any power to compel the fulednient of
it.
Was Lord Melville privy to, or had you any instrufdions
from him, or any commulif,atiuni with him, teddies to the
mode in which Mr. Samuel Jelticoe w.d to liquidate his debt of
4,0901.'-1 du net recollect having any instruction, from his
I.oedship, or communication with him upon this subject, al-
though it is very possible that I may hav•infarmed hum of
what 1 know respelling this business.
DJ you recollect having seen any acceunt of the securities
tendered to Lord Melville by Mr. Adam Jelbcoe in his letter
of the 10th of July, 1781 ?-4 saw them at the time, but 1
have entirely forgot what they consisted of.
There appears a note at the foot of Mr. Jaime's letter of the
10th of July, 1718, expressing that sundry bonds end assign-
menet of Mr. Cott', patent were the securities off-red, winch
were all included in the praperty found artier the Ritent; who
made such note'-.1 have no recollectims who made that note,
although it is not smponible that it mar have been my serf.
t Why ware the secoriliee,,,tendered by Mr. Adam Jellicoe in
hie letter of 10th July, 1798, nut aecepted!e-if they were not

,aweeer
With h; ossider hit
bis LesdelliP I
1 nets a fa„ EsPlala Pt
Lordship to r.
I was: out of offie,t, joeed to Pa
were tho 9
hese 1 thought Ist, arentrli of
ry,,,om toe'
Itle accounts wr t ty4 pull I
?--They dd. ems the Jam
cow° of the
wade, were the Two (other e
iit alwass
Of the sun
vt, recollect 1 eves
gyenilie, not
ri'le's ac VOLI 10. C.
count pia.
roust frequently t. r.y.s.e!wri
tier
ley conductor, 00
,11 meht,h
ICh I hi"'
s now dead. pn7uiq V.h
ride, and hr 'hems to ':--ICatt.
ent. dente
' 1.. the ten'
Fro tl,ree se" hft in Mr. 1
h payments to
t. 04141. lr
weedy and you.—
woion, but
1.011.
'onrcceivcd fi What lene fw hundre
lo
ger ddemoyou for t..e When w
w such money ha. syself. :bad, and
up the *ln
tid to Mr Tweedy, What is
the e
Lord Ilifelville!4
rith h I.ordehip. trt~`.`
r mentioned, that!wag to red
r accounts betata To whopta
ttdicrd
I having paned he,
Cols form
cornutt.•
sums ',loch you
ollectiou dues um Watt r'l*mem ef
ner in whir.
date of each my. be rimed,
which not
may have been?_ Them it
to between 3 and Tent L'l
h,.1
la payments to, see of
own hands
r, did yyoncmider Lod Mel.
know whe
uf Loyd Melville! lure heir
ying the moony
r he was a private month my
with Mr. Tweedy From tt
surenhip,
Esclieque
ions recorded
swaths,
not been,
d redid Lyon •
any instance.
Thc
~0001. paid In Mr. iu which
1796, for purposes payment,
rill the Suleiman.* account d
ulnect. Lecunnt
id pint the money dams.
Whet!'
uney renamed I-4 Tweedy,
Selieve it to to circumsta
;teak with my owe rounicate
which, a. hr 1 betty to
ch was returned tr
[The N
t. returned, mad to So IMAM I
a eirtum4aece, at
ac
Thenee 19, I
1794, and in the
10 the host my DIUMNIO
I eery rortires that Sscrewv
:In, corn Meted the damp
Do ye
aim of sorb repay. payment
meal ..uris
to of the payment Lord 14
e b.ilanrr or the etion of
add to tl
ar I aDei a
of tile st.•te a: my Vine'
ny deh,inacy Cut Ide not
agent.
of the repayments Were
may have Stew do Mel ;
latever. tat.'_
private boats Whet
hooks before•nien-
Have
reserve.
mutton
,oil Mt Igillet vet. What
y repaid to the ac-
e, or to any other iTh•
mien' to Phe, and rr PC
p dirt hay two put of ye.te
Lo ,1M
such sum. doting (Joie,
hfelsille her, naid 'erne of
rutin those w'. .coil 1 eontitu
with t
I •rt too suns, Ma adrine7
it know. in thn t
ranted diming poor of 14ar,
r of ewer th
nilvanced our rif recoll:r
t
they advaner.d ut Menu
blic money of per
made out of the gave IT
I had
st the 40,0001. .as Tweed
f.om a general im• Upc
local, in t
411* made to el
ether lb.. 40,0001. Darn',
Yee
Yei, 1
money, desesibed Of t
'greedy by order id of Lor
Ileet '—The total of 20,
ie best of me to. 3.0001
vied :11,0001. tor.l
was p
1 cannot state o,ut ;cans
Attie that 50,G041.
%ahead, which was one 11l
Do
mama. that 1 do ‘wit Do
the of
ues take place •-1 count
ig which 1 actcd et Of
I years. Repot
other Dermal fla. differe
Ilea?-19:catree Ma p
vy leaving Le 111•119 to ha,
and very sinsfl sr. Iftwo
:h 1 carried fOrnil WA
ormer snorer, oat Mean
II was appointed
these
do not know. WI
a debt'—Sy Lord mak.t
Lot.
r debtor?—T, vile net in
plied
been have as an ion
in wli
must have hero la' Llano.
Art
I that you had newt Tent,
Made
! to the pebtit?'• of In
mono
Ex
le Ig.nent,eouldf/a You I
e public, ill soy cfcull.'
ild that the balance with(
o much deneico!. Lord
sum in any of the tinns
meet of Lat.' Me' any it
urns
agent direr
• private
W
I that sapaollY •,