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ut Ifiere is ,
Mr. Fit
glows' Pensions is
COrtiniisslioner of Stumps .-
L 2001.; and 2f)31. the retired pension of Inspector.
Ceetieral of Tea and Coffee, makes 1,45041."
(lethghter and loud cheerios from the Opposition.)
.•Sir J. Oatoo.re .said the Hon. Measlier had said
ttlat the circumstance took place in the Admirals),
o:Ace but, in fact, the office from which Mr.
Finch Hatton retired was that of Under-Secretary
veltitte.
Iloilo !ant the statement which lie had
to end which.lrd been read by the clerk, wee
final a return mode from the Admirelty4lextess.
(Cheers4—Really he could not help coo
stye 'country in the way in which :its strums were a&
ministered ; and the House en the prospect which
awaited them, from the ability and promptitude
with which the Hon. Memher.would„ no doubt, be
stile to explain the . particular items of the navy
evtimates when they came before the Committee.-.-
(Lenghter and cheers.) —But he must protest
against Gentlemen whose information was so very
incorrect, rising in their places and giving la
' flat contradiction to statements made from the oft-
vial returns of their own departtneuts, without even:
taking the pains to inquire into their truth or
falai-
liw
CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER said, that
Mr. Finah Hatton had been returned under 'Ott,
Admiralty. Return of persons holding double ap.'
poiromeiits, because he held the office of Pay-
tumor!' of Sea Officers Widows' Pension., which he
hail held for Many years. fie.held it at the same
time with that of Commissioner of Stamps--(Hest.
hear)—and it was therefore not true, as stated by
the Hon. Member for Aberdeen. that he first re-
tired from the office of Commissioner of Stamps on
superannuation, and then was appointed to the
Psymastershio of Pension,. Bnt he retired horn
the office of Under-Secretary of State without a
pension, acid was then appointed to those offices
without any other consideration. He repeated, that
great inconvenience. tould arise from the post-
lemeitleat or, t)il. vote.
Mr. Minix said, after ell that he had heard,
he did not think that the Right Hon. Gentleman
had made out any case to sheer that soy possible
injury could ;rise from the postponement of hie
motion for a few hays. When his Hon. Friend
had.given way se candidly on a suggestion of the
ronvenieoce of notice being given for such a nio-
tioo, it appeared to him to be no more than what
niic,,ltt in reason be expected, that the Chancellor of
the Exchequer !should consent to postpone his
Con in ecturn.. If lie did not. and his. flouourable
Friend should divide the House upou his amend-
ment, he (Mr. T.) should certaiuly give him his
Th. Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, it must on
all hands be agreed that this would be a very incon-
venient vehicle fut. a new tax. These were the
annual bills an which the ways and means fur
the year were founded ; sad if there was not some
particular. purpose to be answered by the post.
ponement, it would be productive of serious ie.
convenience ; because this was the proper time
fur bringing forward the ways and memo, and
it was desirable that they should with as little
delay as possible proceed to vote those duties
which were hi meet the exigencies of the pub.
lic service. With respect to the amendment which
had been proposed by the Honourable Mein.
berfor . Aberdeen, it would be productive of this
practical injustice, shut in substituting for the pre-
to•iit tnx.o 'mend tot of tea shillings in the pound
on ell'official pensions and allowances, it would let
oW thOse offices which had always Reid the tax for
on impost of six alining,. and imposing a new lax
on those which were now untouched of tea shilling..
Ile really thought it would be much better to agree
to the vote et present, and if any Hon. Member
thought proper to bring forward a specific motion
hereafter fora general charge on all official allow.
minces, it would be open to him so to do.
Mr. Tiltaort said the only question really to
he considered at present was, whether by post.
pening this vote, es had been proposed, any incon.
venience could arise to the public service; which
he contended could not be the case, because the
amount of the other votes, exclusive of this, would
exceed the sum which it was necessary to advance.
The way in which the courtesy of his Hon. Friend
had beet, met, was not calculcted to encourage
ocher Gentlemen to rive wry. in order to suit the
emiveniroce of the Right Hon. Gentleman or his
friend?.

Jr. IL C. flu:NE.l.r amid, he objected altogether
in the I'en,ioti bill, rod, therefore, he ►hould be
glad to take any opportunity that might offer of
g-tting rid of the measure, which opurated most
unequally, some offices bring out •ery well paid,
while others were greatly overpaid. Ile thought
that the whole of the Pension Bill, sod every
branch of it, should came distinctly under the con-
►ideration of the Iktyuse in Commute for the pur-
pose of modifiretiou. No inconvenience could re-
sult to the public service from the delay of s few
(13P: sod as his Honourable Friend bad withdraw°
his amendment, utiles, the Chancellor of the Er-
c'a•quer consented to postpone this vote to another
opportunity, he (Mr.lll. G. IL) should muse, u an
srucadment, that the Chairman do report progress,
stud ask leave to sit again.
Mr. CROK Ea said, the Honourable Member, in
speaking of Mr. Finch Henan, stated him to be a
person belonging to the Admiralty Office, and that
be had actually retired on ■ superenuuatiou from
it. But, in point of fact, he never belonged to the
Admiralty Office, nor had any connexion with it,
and thereline his Honourable Friend, the Lord of
the Admiralty., was quite correct in his denial of
the Honourable Gentlemau's statement. The per-
son in question happened to be worsted from the

...e Admiralty,
correction .4 that stetemest.
•Mersei had bu .iielt is agent es lisisac• et as athlete
Is ,it Member rigid, which bad so eampteldy. failed,
is this bad skies ,Hia. Hastealebia Primed .was to be
corrected, wet breams. he had made any mishits is the
'sem, am because he bad made say mistake hi the per.
.sows, bat Menne/ 'het persos fonoeth did sot helm( to
the Admiralty, bee had beets put into ea Admiralty mere
as paymaster of Flimsiest*, which were pithiest of the pro-
ceeds of old mares. He appeared is et seen frown the Ad-
airsity 011 ice, sites! " G. Dyer," mad hissed to
there as admitted, because the poishis were
• et fai ae Less
nts at the dilemmal of the Adasiratti. Bat tholig.
Limit eels also immediately catalreetid:ellblise 'Ad:3lll:lTb
fork w called Paymaster ot-Peneliies bras
. WM/sem • 1
Mr.. CROKER said, the Widows' Feud. were
erne side* the mesagernent of the . bat at s
distbetedepaeatitimi until it sou annex tietn:tr miry ad.
MOO by the Aet et• 1811.
, . Mr. HUMBeseld, the Httnowrab/e Ikerelliorteulie Adaat-
' rattg denied that the fend; in questisai was emler the Ad.
sairalty, and yet its the estimates for the miry it wen
charged at 105.0001.
Rif M. W. RIDLEY said, that so lour r than lea rem"
ale eiss pensioo of Mr. Fisch Hatton was increased from
11084. oroool.
Mr. ELLICE said, the Right illonoorab'e the Clianalle
low of the Exchequer bad statist it to be the *testes uir
Government at no distant day to propose am satire new ervi
rangement of the public secoulits. He (Mr. E.) th.iughtt
that this was see of those matters which selshl ha easily
arranged• Why did they sot rather damisish the wisest
of' the pensions at °ace, Weird of tobjaoism thew tertie-
devious is the way of tax ? The words if the ressiotes
were " four shillings and no more; so that if it were new
agreed to, it would preclude the consideration otanj tor..
thee red/anion.
die J. OS HORN—He had hem led Ise a saisteko of
what the Hon. Illemberlier Aberdeee had said, hyseppes.,
ink him to base stied the word refired, instead of wheal.
' had mid that the person had beer TlllllllO4 from the Ad-'
wriralty Once.
Mr. HUME said, at- first the salary of Its: Fisch
Flatten, as Polyandry of Widows* Proems wee rosily 1011Ags
which was raised I. 1001. is 1818; :ersd IVAN to Oft to'
1816, that year when the country was to orerburrleued with
cash.--(Laagliter, and hear, hear.)—He thought thus was is
itself' a reason why It should now at once be reduced tolool.
.• Mr. SCARLET I' 'aid tire words of the resolution, ex-
pressly Whig the easiest of the tax at *Gar shillings is
the pound, and no more," if it were now agreed to it would
preclude all farther diacossioa of the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said a few
words, which were wholly inaudible In the gallery from the
noise of weaves eadearowiter to here their wag Is.
.. . ?ha gallery nos tiara cleared dine slieisisewhelllr. 8.0.
Bearetesameudinent, sober the Willdwilbellieliew ••• •
Ayes
• • 'Noes lO
•

Majority in favour of midst."
Oe ewe retorts to Use pinery the iselikell emsdim woompAs
put, wLen
Mr. CALCRAFT said, be hoped the Otsdllnittee would
not come to soy resolution which would preclude it from may
further discussion of the question' of a general red
she modem mad allowsaces, aid in order to-keep =Zit
ler open. he mowed as as smeedment, that She weirdo
no
more" be left oel.• •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, baby
no objection to the omission of the words in qoettiou, /kb.
a view of leaving the subject open fur future (hamlets&
Mr. ELLICE wished to be informed what was tiortipia.
of collecting this sax? .
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER made ellr'
answer, which was a holly inaudible in the Gallery.
Mr. ELLICE said, be bad put the rpreelion to skew, that
if the pensions were reduced immediately, they would sam
at least the express, of millectiog the tax.
Mr. HUME said, he was serried at what had fallen
from the Right Hon. Geatlenme. Is July, ISIS, be mad.
• molion having precisely the same object as the armee-
meat which he now cuotemplated, which motion be then
opposed.
Mr. BROUGHAM said he hoped tlie Cheat:eller of the
Exchequer would have no objective to adopt • similar course
respecting the shilling and sixpenny defy, which he believed
was paid in the same way by a poundage duty. He should
recommend it to his Hon. Friead, the Member for Aberdeen,
to look into that little corner of the Tea Oilles Relates,
where be would And stimulant matter for his attention.
The anwodeseet was then agreed to.
The continuation of the duties on Sugar, and the Excise
doilies on Foreign Spirits and Sweets, were agreed to.
Ou the motiou fur the raising of two millions on Exche-
quer Bills—.
Mr. ELI.ICE said, before that vote was taken*into con-
sideration, he wished to hear from the Right Hon. Gentle-
man some explanation of his plan for the reduction of the
Et per Cents.
The CHANCELLOR of she EXCHEQUER said that it
was his inteation to give notice of a motion for Monday,
for the purpose of bringing that subject before the House.
The vote was then agreed to, as was also a vote for trams-
(erring 4,000,0001. of the aids of 1821 to the service of MM.

The Howse thee resumed, and
Mr. BROGOEN brought wp the Report of tie Cosamittes
of Rays and Means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved
t►at the Arts of 1784 commonly called the Navy Are per
Coat. Acts be entered as read, for the purpose of foneding an
Order of the Day for a Committee of the 'thole House on
Monday, for the purpose of taking the same lido cosaidera.
Suns, winch Wog doue, be gave notice of a motion fur that
puupuse on Monday.

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ilsriteis said te• reLaea sele
If espouse ia 'ad misrelate/ NM farther
reamed cid!" • beifeirfarly
Waimea yeas lei 11111•410 414
few the shill "foist- 'whist emit
Ise. y 1111.11.00. thee *la isioa • Prates es ie.
lifya .f d_i_ll4tare of pewee is 181 the somber a wee
voted to isms manes sag foss ammo i I. tho.prserst

11641 91
How t=lsilittrOlittattrededijk2
91 haws Ibis inewrese_
tie pereleethew; 55* -1010,1149 Me IL
41.444 to alive keta Morn in detail of tile Ostia& id which
that'..+ lbw camber of flsß
aid exam tillimme. unreente4em yt ersdiertallloB4 aid
alto of ale and field tidier; commiselweallastl 000.41110-
elliesiseeifolliews, nod privetes of the• Tu chew
that Mee. Was nethietrusehreesitabb hi inkier for that re-
tire, it was noehing mete Aso held been' glees deem le 0117.
The charge Ia the preen. year fur the marines wee 341,1191.
Is • reverser period of peace (1799) ha believed it measly
130,0001. This releired examientio. If. they passed lir
vow for the 'bait win they would be Precluded from enabl-
ing hot. the pertleiders hereafter. The retire which he
wished to have would Hoehn@ • somber of sinecure ap-
pointesents,, which were seed In he. givens so dottrels,
officer.; bit the Home. 00111111 10 Oft bow far it wee riteirehle
that such places should be kept up. There was *11'404801
charged for barracks fee the marines, 11,0001. which could
only be for weeks.: There was a stow charged fur
Vaiseitre eif 10,7191. which its. requited explaining: They
had Wee told that formerly the engitser eta, was podded
far ender the head of draught asitle.—(Laughter.)..
and It was sot at all qnpuseibk,lll4l tome other eppliestion
of mime, was covered up by Woe estimates. The levere-
ts, Cleaners Odle* wee dined at 1,930 t, bet fee what he
eel am imagine. He had bees given to wolenteed that
the ogee was when, useless. The second mesa which he
should move rue was a return of the "seedily of provleleen
of every kind supplied fur the nee of the wavy in the few
1913, 18 lit, sad 1921, 'hewing the primes, each article sop-
pily& The eves demanded foe the virtualliug this. year, tel.
• Iniyebe avember of mew at 13,900 seamen and 2,400 aterinev,
tildligliag the number afloat last year, would ameent
month for earls mss, which was as maeratoes
Every species of provisions had &lieu I. price full
sod the rate of the victualling ought at least to
Helm reduced in the nate proportion. Why was this
,wry demand for vicinellieg mode, except to cover
Asplethieg itopeoper ? If be reunite/A in that place till tee
teisileek tomorrow wonting, he pledged himself wet to
allow the grant of a shilling of supply, sonless the Minix.
• lee agreed to furnish the particulars of vacs.. estimates.
He would persevere ia Oho instance, fur he bad just ex-
perienced hew little was to be gained by giving say.—
(Longtime mid cheers.)—This was the time fur a rigblecre.
limy late every article of the expeodlier, llt's was the time
when She tattoo was suffering from the pressure of
&Were, to use the utmost exertiun to check the im-
provident' waste of She public money.—(Hear, her)—
He admitted that the navy had, geneually speaking,
• never been under better manegement than meal
tint war; but he considered the expenses to
fat toe great. Since 1816 the exneuses for built
dug and repairing ships alone was in total 17 ink
lions. Why this amount ? Surely here iris
enough expense for all the building of ships
in all the navies of Europe.' If Honourable
Gentlemen doubted what he stated, he had the
particulate for each year ready and would slate
thern.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)—This was
contrary to the opinions given by the Committee
•of Finance. They observed, that at the expiration,
said for a few years after the war• the expenses of
• building and repairing would be increased ; but,
-that afterwards when the ships were put in proper
,order, a great reduction night be expected. On this
item, and on that of wear and tear, no reductions
had been effected equal to what might have been
expected. There was now no war, no expentsg','
for wear and tear as in the blockading. antl.ll
cruising. of the late war. The service was now
'ilised entirely pleasurable, summer sailing and
•aeliting.—(Hear, hear, hear, from the Ministerial
-aide.)—Such. he hoped, was the general nature of
the present atm service, and he hoped that it was hMt
attended with such difficulties as the blockading of
• French fleeti, the Texel, Lyons, and others, which.
• belonged to the operations of the war, or the main-
•fold and dangerous services in the Indian seas, as in.,
1792. The aships were admitted to be now in es-,
cellent repair, and why keep so great a number of
vessels afloat beyond what were wanted ? In 1792
the wear and bur was 640,0001., what reason fur it'
being more now?—He came to the 4th and last part.
of the estimates upon which he would touch. The •
ordnance services for the navy were estimated at
98,520/

Mr. WARD said that they were reduced. 10.
81,0001., being a deduction el Is. per mon.
Mr. Hums wt.bed to know when the chores.
were entered. There were no returns, and yet
there had come to
,his knowledge particulars of an •
expenditure of 20,000/. Which he could no where.
find in the accounts. He had formerly mentioned'
some particulars relating to the borough of Queen-
borough, and he was told that the expenses to
which he had referred would be found under the
vote for sea services. There were 32 vessels hired
under the heed of ordnance craft, of various di-
mensions, said to be engaged in various branches,
of the department. It would be found that there
were paid for them 20,000/. There were returns
for 1,100!. under that bead; but what were these:
craft engaged in ? Why, pleasure parties; in
carrying A. B. C. np the river; here a Clerk
of she Cheque, and *owe a Storekeeper, each
with his 'tarty. The Committee of Finance,
page 96 of their Appendix, objected to float-
ing rusgssines, and also to the keeping of
ordnance craft, instead of biting them as all
other craft, and as transports were hired for occa.
lions which required them. I'owder kept in float-
ing magazines was subject to damage, and could
if so case be used without being first lauded and
*ruined. To what purpose then keep powder in
testing magazines, except while ships were re-
fitting, and going in and out of dock ; instead of
which large establishments were kept up against
the direct advice of the Committee, and as iu the
eases of all other Committees, the recommenda-
tions were wholly unattended to. Five or six of
these vessels were the property of corporators of
Qaeeoborough. Some of them measured 17 tons,
sod no more, Upon that fact he had been cou-
tradicted, astd was told the lowest was 30 tons.
The return contained one vessel entered as 20 tons,
'which, all things considered, came near enough.
tie would undertake to prove, let the papers be
granted, that the craft was of lower tonnage than 20,
and the annual charge for her was 3911. The duty
was not enough to employ her hands fully one day
in a month. There were two or three others ru-
gged under circumstances not, so favourable.;
.but
'the Qatenborough vessels engaged 113. hands,
assetere-mates sod men, of whom 74. were freemen
of the plait. There were nine.bOys besides. Esti-
mating them IL per diem tell of them r -hired

'Gem Qaeenbnrough), ate emitifil fltblilliflitOttl
he 3,1111.54 One half of thie was, to be'.4;gltltred
88
.... .. _
illt
clettigetplt. There sees to his oaths ksegit two
if BM thee* vessels which bad been Iyhig with . ' 4
esthete op board for kee ',Ake gellelLlMMedithl, libli
.wrf, at.ee expense of.lllo. a duty. We • . re-
teed to vote 81,0001. an ordained laitirice fbe the .sets
when so mach of it was employed for other pliVileur. Re
Milli( Ittef Appeared to the erratrary4lo,lll/01: ..old liiisniaili
eahogla for tee occasion He had berm misted by ma lion.
Illem&" for sot kno*lng much of Ike ma seriire; he wised
that liedid set, .he bum eammegt hawses to Bidet Vel 4114
the estimates wanted caplets's/oe. .Bet; when dm Dolts
alember talked of Ida believing .lt poseible le gut oldeted
three/egged Mool,.Cluodclici, vas it poseible Opt pey, niea
could ba !append ,giavely to get op yid repose 18
that Rotiee dint the subject ans eat yOrtle hie ad .
ties! *There was abundance of sesnoneltiesi , in- /sere ,Ige
a wet er twenty years, yet weir they expeeding 10001.
a-year.lisibeeneeefecture of gttupowder.. Helms nut aware
if the establishetenta at Waltham and Feverekeini were yid
reduced, beestiMMMemleames were not yet on the. table.
He *veld proliam.thit got one shilliag sitoeld be voter)
mitil the returns is *Vail were laid as the lab's. He did
not wish to give unser...eery 'rouble., He would have every
item be objected to properly considered. He was not sup
who wished to cripolei dm legitimate power of the °mien.
He would rather uphold it, and he would do it by streagtb.
*Meg the aiwy. He regretted that the policy was to smoke
It • military instead of a naval country, . He preferred Ai*
le barracks and military' establialieneets. Ours wee earn,.
Vally a civil government. The nation depended wand, roe
Its glory sad honour we its navy, which had resided it *
1;117a preponderance in Europe. Both reel*"
Mso well, but he gave the preference to thk
inure .blefftienate an, of the Raffaele power—ber litirl. '
Rd isidelld reduce the excessive military estableshmeets i . he
wield reduce the marines, the keeping up of which branch
bad caused the actual number of seamen employed to MA
to 13,000. If it were necessary, he would even vote 2,000
more gramme, hut ao more marines. They were too much
le the nature of a military guverament. He nerved for re.
ideas in detail, of the manner is which 73;77b1. acre to be
expended on the employment of seamen and 'marines, the-
fislituishing the aunt-bee of officers and seamen, sled the otE.
errs and privates of marine*, also their several dames, rates
of pay, and allowances,•with other particulars of each claret.
Mr. CROK Eli would be slow to oppose any motion fur
Inquiry upon important subjecis which seemed to deemed
le, but the Hon. Gentleman could out satisfy the Hoes* that
Ministers had thewn any disposition to withold papers which
were really needed. It was the first time, amoug the myriads
of papers moved for by the Hon. Mealier, any had been re-
fused. He would sheer chat the papers in this motion wool)
not be refused on light grounds. He would observe, that to re-
spect to navy estimates, they had been voted for 160 or 170
year"; yet this was the first time, amidst all the fancies ever al- I
leringieto the heads of men, amidst all the wishes sod pro. i
jells professed or avowed by parties a that Howse, it was lb*
first lime such a motion bad bees made. He said it act to die•
garage the Hun. Gentleman, but to skew that there were,
lflll
and always bad been, good and sufficient feasting fur with.
holding these papers. He proposed to set right some
of the mistateareats of the Honourahle Member, or in l
his own terms " to speak in metaphorical lauguage"—
" blunders." The naval expenditure divided itself
chiefly into three breeches :—the first had undergone
examination, retiring chiefly to the Oct.± afloat, she sc.
live service, the pay sad provisions of the men embarked,
tie ships under sail, perhaps noder orders to sad int:nation
of duties ou whirl, the destinies of the country &pointed.
It might be said this was a less important matter in lime of
peace than is time of war. To be sore ; but the principle
applied to all times, and more particularly so when, is wee,
the expediture being so mooch greeter, the upportunitisa
elesec were greater also. The time of war was the must ripper
for the exercise of the jealousy of the House on the subject, if
' at all. Tbe mimed branch was the reweave estimates, referring
' generally to those peels of the naval service which were of a
civil character. The third was the ordinaries end extraor-
dinaries, including ?erases of bedding and repairiug, asp&
all the various incidental thing, connected with the duck--
yards and the relative establishimeate. In regard to thei
latter brioches the lion. Gentlemenn bad not complained'
having the fullest details before him. It had bees the
practice to faintish theta, because ie these, the offices being
chiefly civil, the utmost jealueiry was proper to be exercised
over than by the House. There could be no injury to the
public eereiro from knowing what was done iu England ;
but there was greet danger as to the Beet oiliest in lettiug
the uses and destination be kimono *synch England to all
the people of Europe. The Hou. Gentleman talked of the
expenses of provisions, taking the standard of Leadenhell,
or some other of the
.Lo'll4lon markets. lie was temioded
'that thrice were foreign 'lethal'. tie' admitted it, but then
-he said we might send out our cheap provisions to them.
Did the Hon. Member know that the prices of provident*
differed not only as to Ragland and foreign stations, but the
lortigestations differed from each other *that respect: What
would be the situation of the country if a fleet eve*
not be permitted to go to sea until all the details of her
equipmeet and the destination were in foil descripliuts be.
fore the House. The Hon. Gentleman said sevesient mil-
lions had beets expended on building and repairieg ships
since 1817. He world give the Honourable Member
all the papers in the world if be would prove that. It
was, in his metaphoric language, blendering—.r, rather,
nonsense—that was the word. He had mistakes stone
for wood—land for water—storehouses for ships—build-
Mega for sailing ship., fleets fitted out. He would state
his reason for attributing this error. If the House would
look over the expenses of houses, msgaxines—of dock-yards
and extraerdivary weeks—including Plymouth Breakwater,
which was itself a million, they would find the amount to
be 17 millions as rear as possible. But as to Molding
ships, he did not wish to be trusted. He had, by good for-
tune the 'comets since 1817 in his hand. He would read
•ever the particulars of each. He wished the Hos. Gent, to
correct him as he went on.—(Mr. Hume—" I will.")--
The expenses of betiding and repairing ships in 1817 was
1,391,0001—(MT. Flame, " 1,760,000/."J—Mr. Croker said
be had the book. The grand total was 1,130,0001. foe the year
1818 ; 1819, 1,144,000/. ; 1820, 1,142,0001. Here were the
areousts fur five years, not rising up to two millions a year,
and yet there were seventeen millions expended is Wiliam
drips.—(Loud cheers from the Ministerial side.)—Serely dos
was hriuging the notate to ninepence. The total a( these
sums was 5,900,0001. Now as to the wear and tear of the
fleet onset, he could not conceive it necessary for the Hoe.
Gentlejnan to Bend more pa pers,or that the House would wish
him to have them to illuminate his own understanding ef the
ease, which, by the way, might be an operatioa of same the.
ashy. He talked of the pleasant nature of the servier.—did
he forget the wear nod tear of Mamie energy sod &media-
tions in the Channel, in keeping down sniuggliug, a genie.
as arduous as any in the war, the good effect* of *bleb ware
discernible in the increase of the revenue. The Hula. Mem-
ber forgot hie geography also ; he had made nu accusal of
the alediterr aaaaa and the service off Soria Ault:etc+. H.
might be told that there was uo groin there without drab.
hug Cape Horn or the Cape of Good Hope. If be did
know it before, thin some of the pleasure and yachting
parties which he bad described, could be uo other than
those who had sailed round Cape Hurn. He had turgotlea
another considerable branch of service—the prevention of
the Slave Trade off the coast of Africa. He understood
the lion. Member to describe tbo.e services as partite*
of pleasure sailing. He had no wish to misremeeret. '
—(Hear, hear, hear, from the Opposition side.)—He re.
ferred more particularly to the words used by the Has.
Gentlemen. He went on to skew that the Hoe. ilifilair
sou 'utterly onstake a as to his view of the expellee* or the
marine corps. He (Mr. Hume) haven 'secluded all the law/
charges of the marine corps, such as clothes, beer, lam '
racks, &c.—ebarges not included in the item, which he bad
notwithstanding, deducted from the charge of gement, tied
thereby left cooly t 50,000/. for that charge. The Hon.
Geutlenian had declared in favour of sesame above marines.
Evilly there, was no pleasing wane people; (oversaw(
were loudly praised two years ago for preteens% marines.
They were a vital as well as an jettiesl pert of the suety.
&awe were termed for three years—marines for life.
There was the daemon* between a short sad a Wag
lease. Thew as to the economy, the inferior materleii—
he seamen were at 701. per ass, the marines at ldf.
The ' were at 41. per me pee arnmalb,

frellt 3 lo 17lot .Li aid the siipplirs teeter IL,
paean. No; there were two amillsons gives upfront 'Melo
lit rival expresso. The Button Weald be steeples.' to fa
the trifileg Meryl** bet*.e. sell sod IHM, the prises or
orobiaisto sad the ittreelie of MN pas emtaideued. le tic.t
yedr.theie *era altogether • weer lie topples hie
nivel estimates foraisbed (lacladllig the naval deist Mei eel
for the year) from other sages*. The Hssos,able Rift
algiiid 1101lliall searreit,Oty
ordnance services for the navtit Met wbieb he said the Ad.mirsity 'bad uo coutiol.lhoe the Home eif Catboat. had.
HA antisght tite..osress bad.beartiattthiacto Maitre them te
stay goiag,leta flaol.llmmithm„ where dispirited... 9 em!A
bfbittdeisb"9 10.1104 00.14" hifidelf, Nitta* ilea.tiaat
The How. limber hod eissoliWised this year as he did the
last, on the apipnialierit of tumuli Olen' is Cohorts and
Graerals of marines.. He. (rstilet) After heard if sat
one but Ike Hoc Metlyber who thmsglet of this is of sot
thing bet a beset of atom brumes the two services wt...
ought to be avaletainedi; hot he would sot alone J. fend
it ea the narrow giNswod of utility, but as e pat
ut
the humor surd dignity of the awry, as a mess to eiratite
hi. :Oriel-4y to reesettelistiagellaited ...It. not by place or
petisioe, but by phbetag the 011eers at tbe head of ikase
golleat •Inew wham they had beams led to broom. mild sir.
wry. This reward was dimented viamest too nag
tklicere used eight. or Oise heueliel Ceptaiew, and roe-
sided of three Gem rale mid Gam Goleaselk and the ',hi&
amounted to ai; or were lboossad pooodm Zoe the
Homotrable Member woo jealous Jest had mea should he
placed on the list. He would Hoe now what be mooed
last year. The olarlog Novel Officers at the hem of
lb, Ilialita• was a prettiest re-exiseeni will the tarps
itself which •as formed from fie army, the Colonels of int.
mews beitsg.lf hemlgliesorepress lamesfrodeemaiste. It
Was thought more consunant to the view with which she
imps was formed Iliatt of changing the soldier tato a sari.)
that meal offices. Moult/be at its head. If she Heel, hest.
bee could Induce the House to change this, be wool elm
change the whole of she system reepemiag Colonels is she
army t NW, should he prevail oa the Hoene to do the lathe,
he (Mr. croker) thought the warier• evoold be se ex-
ception, and naval *Sheri would still reasie at their
head. The linsoarablet Member would ray thus might he
very tree, but you will or may place bad men ohm.
It could Out be tedious to the Home to hear a lit
of Ste ono a of one whom all their lives they bad as.
emitted with every thileg homorable. The Arm was Ad.
taint Baseswea, the neat Admiral Jobs Forbes. lord
Ames, Admiral Barrington, Lord Bridoort (last sod Usk
slight he held it), the Earl of St. Vioteni. These ewe
the game* atilt the Generals of Matinee, and he should
like to see if from that any one could refer a clutter from
the appointment of had mi. The !ie./Hewitt Ceurrals
were Sir Charles Sanders, Sir Hugh Palliser, air Thaw
Pee, Ea. I St. Vincent, and Lord Brsiiport. The Major.
Generals were I ord Cardoer, Lord Coll •newood, Sir Riclesd
Bickerton, Sir George Hope, and 'esti'', a same •li•ch
he pronoonced wills more than ordinary pleaessre, Sir
Geroge Gockburs. So far Gong any j.alowy, their gas
not one of them names which had not had osmium
orders, peerage, and dignities las hilted on them, sad tie
believed sot owe that had net received the thsuks sf
the late Speaker of that Home. Yet the Hooossabk
Me mber fixed his Sager of reforms, and stigmatized as a blot,
what was but me mar in the bright galaxy of our sant
glory. He -(Mr. Crukrr) thought he bad said mem% to
induce the House logo lain • C.otamitiee on this subject,
which was %II he asked. la the Committee he should be
able to give the Hoseurable Member every ladseamtles, sot
that be intended to say he shs,ul.l satsly the How. Member,
God forbid he should entertsiu so monstrous • amino but
he *could this give km some little inform/Hie% wirch, lout
satisfactory, some Honourable Member Might move to report
mortals, and ask leave to sit again. If she Hoe. Newbrr
'bad a case of abase ma'ie at, he c. vainly ought lobate
every information afforded him, but what he objected to
was his taking she whole aff•irs of the nosy Mt* hit owe
hands, for the chalice of discovering Same abase, sites Met-
setting she practice of lb. 11001te arid the Conssitatimasd
introducing hie new mode of proceeding. fit used the
ward Coosibutim, beesuse, in feet. the bomber oftwee to be
employed iii she navy was .a muter of such delicacy that
It was always settled by the Him in Cownc.l, loathe me
of seamen is that House was therefore always made sot sa
esilmwe, but I. coalideace. The practice of diadmare,
recommended by the How. Meads. r, would be incerverien
in time of peace; but in time of war, if followed, there
would be au end of the naval power of Great Belittle.

Mr BENNETT mill, that from the speech of the Rm.
Gentleman opposite it might be imagined that his Host.
Friend (Mr. Hesse) was asking fur something see. He
thought be could "hew that if ever any one found a ° were"
nest" it was the Hon. Gent. opposite. Ills Grit proposals"
was that there was great novelty in the proceerliag, sad that
the itemiser of seamen had always been voted in ceelldnrre;
Wok what bed been the result of that system of coaddeate.
Look at the amisont of the debt and taxes creased by this
system. This was owe of the articles of the tadietmeat
agents& the House of Commons, that t►ey had sulikred the
Ministers to take the public motley without intro/ sad
without neceseity. Why had the How. Genders's directed
the serves of his wit (the sharparse of which both is that
House mid elsewhere were well brume) sgainat hie He..
Friend? may for 'savior exposed mot laid hare that system.
He thought the House would be misled by the speech dile
Hon. Geollentan ; be should t►erefore wish use moths, of
his Hun. Friend might be read, and the Howse would thee
see what it was that be wished to have.
The SPEAKER having read the intendment propmed by
Mr. H o me—
Mr. BENNET!' resumed. The lion. Centimes had es.
desvoured to shew that it would be a great ineonvealetwe u
the public service, though there was a similar Report is
1818. and t►at too for t►e cermet service of that year, ad
not for past service,—(The Hon. Menthe" here referred is
the Report in queetiou.l—Thos, what was now asked far
was then published, end no question et all made of lams-
'faience to the public service. Duriwg the war there me
no objection to shew the general distrthotina of the arms.
yet for this his Hon. Friend was an-treed almost is rt.
press term", of wishing to spread disorder and dismiss a
the miry, yet there was no min in the Howes who had a
higher value for ►heir services—not their jobbing, but their
public services.

BIr.CROIL ER explained. He could mare the 1106€e'I'
ble Gentleman that be had never out of that House no*
the slightest allusion to either himself or the I,loosrable
*ember for Aberdeen. The argument of the ttonotnt*
Gestlemon (51r. Duyvil) applied to ooly one mots*,
whereas there wereifeir motions, sad the omit befuse the
House was the idelle wLetiouable of any of them.
The Douse theettileaded, when there
For the sammilmeet
Against it

Majority . ito

On our return to the gallery we found
Mr. CA LCRAFT es his legs, ingesting the proy,hl7
of 1111116 messore respecting ionise °Meets.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER slid a les
words aeren the table, which were inaudible is she Geifell
Mr. HUME then rose to submit a motion le the How
He said the Hon. Gentlems• (Mr.. Croker) bad asswered,e,
attempted to answer his speech; headset which had bees sv•
slimed was never stated by him (Me. Haste) ; sad that wig
he had attempted to answer was altogether • nstasercio•
He begs% i• a sesame which, be thought. se eat would err
be (Mr. Hume) deserved. k was said that be wished to d:r•
tale to the Howe 6 hut bow may one enoW be mid to ill,-
late to the Homo, who proposed a memory, sod ev
dew/oared to persuade the House to agree with
he knew col. Closed any mow do his duty to that Hew
without so dictaliag, if Nisi were dictation !—(Hear, beer't
He hail laid • Parhomestacy groood for his motion ; lie i's"
obeys that 1,700,0011 f. was asked mom, mita 1,b00,000f its.l
bees sufficient at a former period for the wore service. It
was amid that impleaatiess would be gigot is the Gov,-
Mo ; but hr said No, and whatever might be the dderuli."
sf Illse intellect of the Hen. Member (Mr. Croke.), lie
11.07 aim to understood the accounts as Nullified. TM Re".
Member had talked of the dagger of exposure, brit WOW'
How) had *ever wished or asked to tool, bee the
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were employeil—ell be had asked was, WWI • *WI as, 0,
his optima, the Meow would not do its duty if slit!
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that say sialenteut is correct ?"--1“ Yes !" from idniiithy tikett, %/Awn lift (ilt. C,), is Ilita
the Treasury Bench.) —1 hold in my hood the it. Woo f& in s Sill which placed at tbgahopeirelfof
tern from the Admiralty 0111ce.—(Crtea of ' Mime, the. Ailetirotlif •OW Plabeli It ON &WO 61 the
i. eme !') —which I request the Clerk easy reed."-. purism* of Whit At 110w4 lei psitaquus to the iti;
(Loud cheering.) deMier4o4oeffir •04, datMtlfld the bAit. thlt.Per4o/4
The paper being handed to the Clerk, be pm= codbeetei therewith should be Owed a tluesilWy.
cm-led to read it ea follows : 'Winters. •
itgaltig=s-210011•1411-26•4NP." Jae ...,,.. --b :: -iiii: 811,111111-AM'. talle,..aalt- Wit. pnwendini. er *
iiiiiambilsear a zow.... r speak, when he was isterrepted by the Clanton",
ifenemisterlitle -- 11100P0 • • •••• "'v oho sail there twee es before the Coomiillee.
Ditto. oagemonemuel of 'IIO,AO rwlfaieta)_ ti.griptie *A pore - ~ i berearaledi NMI ta :
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' ' 010.11,11144114111111111PJ Wrillwt Continitto4i• he of ille. *nays Aineseateat, whir% woo agrewt N.
"The Ifil. ,Msmaher stet tsk the al,inot at •,101001.; Mr. BROUGHA * thasinie, be way rem fibril/ peeps.
but I here is eak* H00L44.-M. ear. btsr, beer.) or anted the teewiuP d theAdeorelty AO. le Mtoodeo
Mr. Fitilta,-44 Tbe siktriito Payniester of Wi- ot SW (b. .11'..) Moissaeolda /Patrol, els • Naisbee AM Altar-
flowe Pensions is 604 ;',the retired
~ pension of a( argattrohtz.... inmrifkilstamm.",
reed,a the Admirsby.
Cotornisoioner or SteastPl ill 6001—twice 6004 it issiea we. right ho hie roomettes of that siotrokeat.
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164
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SIM° Oble'llr, 144
►1 "hpesersl?hiNo:6lbrri ;vs*: iivetillies••:lignismt.ispb""i4.4ll Ilbelledodea% 1. k
re'r othia.'' "Noessiato bekiiiikel44"tiftly4 Ike want espreena. The Helm Weald be sorprieee to gt„l Ilad a... 'Olivetti
erAlse PO' es 4 .1„,,i,,L the . preileinn mad the iortelie elf 'WIC pa emendeeed. le th.l heil
isi. i rd,arliritilvr.-7,-,.. yetethei e *ere alladether • met the suppfes fee
ordained' setike rii. tit. ottoN seta! estimates fermsbed tiecledieg tie Mod dale Melt reel
,pinged for alma rhVas.ms. Prie. for eke year) from "thee soiree& Tie Reneettemeesh„4
9tetrary4lo,llool: weiiM biliniefy . abillait liiiffitell Me' Irtiiiii'm Pesitiiiiin• leareetaii-tC; a
le had berm misted by se lion. ordnance services for the meth seer widek he said the 44.
erh of the ites seriire •he wilted 0-Ity
..silk h.,.... diad..bui 44 , He thought tke..tteess bad.beard_nothiacta entire then to w
Isambria. .Bat silo lbw flue.: "1 Ir6iffEhhitIPIOSAINIIStiv ;Worn the gertindwr. caosE
!tin/ .I; poseible t• gir:tu estgetyal I.7.butiohaso! Vold tbolrralikaaelf auvlll4 liers.tibof
;,..,
sea it ...iv. Ittia.ditiggo be Hue. Mem bed tumpWitieil thie year as he did die tip a
el„'" to ..t r-,-, eyed tirsposo it last, es the aPjnielmetit or aunt eau' to Celeeets e',„l
')lcii:'.-:°ftelelial---;tbile;111:601-111.Pe'9erlill.di4illWgi:elkil".42,a000711-11 GtottniieesgfbrlubletutiuhPra beimmlisuirdibe.ormi.""*.:: between she two moires efies
of gnu powder.. lie was nut aware ought to be niiiimaine/E6 bet he would amt alone ./. fro., r• .11as
ildiam sad Fevervinne were yet it as the narrata, trimmed of' utility, but ass past ed Tro
tats} were nor y!‘ ott tle tame, the lionotte surd dignity of the eery, as a mesa N train vii
it one shilliag should be voted hie Maie'43? to ce"arerdiesielf"lahed 61°14- "o by Place or Teel
were laid me the tab's. He did liettSiorar but by pleeiee the Gillum at /be head of ikee
•y trouble., He would have every Outlast Anew wham they had bees* led to honour end eh._ they
sly considered. He ma net asp Lary. This reseed was dispersed smoeru, 100 Flag rest
legitimate power of the Dation. !!leers awl eight. or nine herehol Ceptaim, and rem. of II
, and he would do it by streegth. Mated of three Gertrude sad fur Celeeelk and the whole thou
!led that the poling was to melte amounted ha sea or were rimmed pounds. ie., the ke
kval country, . He preferred ettliin Hounrable Member woo jealous Jut bed mem should i.e drew
itablishineets. Ours wee ewe- placed us the list. He would Mgt. New what be weed meet
The natio. depended snaisity for lael year. The plating Naval Officers at the heed of want
I nary, which had ruithied it li the alarlm• wee a oimeltee re-existent with the wow par C
! is Europe. Both eerfieur itself which was formed from the army, the Caikessis of Fee_ per e
e. gave she preference id the mews beiug.if he might so express Inmeriff,sluemitiets. It thin .
the nation', power—her levy. was thought more consonant In the view with which dm 'eel d
Nave military estaidishmesis i. he 1 sups wait fornseid I thet of chsegieg the wisher int*. matiart when
the keeping up of which branch that timid office.. ehauletbe at its bead. If the Hee. New. Pool'
bee of seamen employed to sat her could induce the House te change this, be mast als* dieted
emery, he would emu vote 2,000 change the whole of the sperm respecting Colonels is the Need
e marines. They were too much seine i mar, should he prevail on the Hesse to do ibe lathe, the I
r government. lle moved for re. be (Mr. evoker) thought the warier• would be all ex- etillis
miser is, which '13;77b/. erre to be eeption' and band tilliceis would still remain at their Mope
nt of mown and mariner, obi- head. The liosoarable Illeusbrr would ray this might he of Sit
officals mud seamen, and the oil. • eery tree, bet you viii or may piece. bed men there. td ed
a, she their several dames, much . It could not be tedious to the House tu hear a IQ the is
lb other particulars of each clerk,' ed the nee a of men whom all their lives they hod a, bat h
e slow to oppose any matte. Sir . seelated with every thieg heemerable. The hest was Ad. she G
objects which seemed hi drill a' ' _mired Boas-awes, tb• neat Admiral Jana Forties. Led :te;
could out satisfy the Howse HA Await, Admiral Berringeen, Lord Briepert (last sad leek o
',position to withold papers whet% , nOght he hold it), the Earl of St. Viotent. lima use Meet
the first time, animist the myriads I the asses of all the Generals of Matisse", and he should quest
Hon. Mealier, any bed beeik rii... like to see if front 'het soy one could refer a Jeerer boo be kit
t the papers in this million would ; the appoimmeol of had m... The fiseseteosot ce,„„et, swept
Inds. He would observe, that to re'-were Sir Chattel Sanders, Sir Hugh Palliser, Sir Thum the wl
ry had been voted for 180 or 170 • Pee, Ea.l St. Vincent, and Lord 11r.elport. The Major. the cs
me, amidst all the fancies ever en- General. were 1 ord Gardeer, Lord Coll •nawood, Sir flicked Ur,
retries
i, amidst all the wishes and pro- Bickerton, Sir George Mope, and lawq, a tameol.,h .
ly parties is that Howse, it was the he pronoseeed with more *m I o
than ordinary ore, Sir
abecable.le I
1 bees made. He said is wet to di.- Geroge Goekburs. So far Gam any j, alooiy, throe pas 1 rh,,,,04
us but to sbew that there were, not one of theme names which had not had intisines, ' „I tivo
and sufficient remains for with. orders, peerage, 4•4 dignities lasished as Them. sod the i thin
I. proposed to set right some believed set one th.t had net received she thinks id' from
the Honourable Member, or inj She late Speaker of that H. Yet the Hortooshle
Meng)
k in 'metaphorical language"-11.niber fixed bin Seger of reform, and stigmatised am abler,
it expeodstore chewed itself what was bet one user in She bright galaxy of tier weal
,es :—the first had undergoes fiery. He -(Mr. Coster) thought be had said eseingli to
I
was •
•1•17-11:
rat pa-.
tfly to the O,et afloat, the se. Dietice the House So go Min • Committee en We abject,
„oes„ww, of the mei, embarked, which was all he asked. In the Comedic, he should be could I
• under orders so sod intimation able to give the Hoseurebte Member ee, re indwietatisa, wet Arse
lattice of the cuu•try demisted. that he intended to say he shnuld sat.ify the His, Huber, the Ili
less important matter is lime of God forbid he should enterteiu so monstrous • settee ! bet
To be sere ; but the principle he Could thee give hem some little informatics", wit•ch, if sot
lure particularly so when, is wee, sal jab con, mope ficeourehle Member 'Mich, nievetereport
itch greeter, the upportionitise Profteesh m u ant oak leave to sit again. If she H. Nombre
44.1
me limo(' wee was the must roper had • ease- of abase mate . et, he c. vainly ought lo bale
usy of the House on the subject, if every information afforded him, but e hat he objered to Ilir
se the wreove estimates, refr,rsok was his 'skier the whole affairs of the nay isle kis owe voted,
the naval service which were of a hoods, for the chance of discovering some abase, darever-
Mr.
I was the{ ordinaries and manor- seititig the practice a the Hosed and the Conailleline,aini site, wk
it of Wilda. and repairiug, aid. intreducing his new mode of proceeding. He nog eke sews to
connected with the dux k-• weed Coesibition, beteuse, in feet. )he bombers/Cases le be Would
lablishimeem. In regard te the. employed in She navy was •a muter of such delicacy that seeding
Gentlemen had not ceseplatordi It •as always settled by the King in Coined, sad the vete if they
before him. It had bees the of seamen ie 'het House wu therefore *leap wake salsa ',trend
ecause is these, the offices being estimire, but is milldam,. The practice of diselesare, sisters,
"tuns; woo proper to be exercised recommended by the H. Meatier, would be inceaverieni He shot
[here could be no injury to the in iime of peace; but in time of war, if followed, there 19,0410
fig what was done is, England ; would be ars end of the naval power of Great Britain. esonsber
•as to the fleet afloat to letting Mr BENNETT said, that from the speech of the Iles. duce. Iperform
e Icemen throngh England to all Gentleman opposite it might be imagined that him Hoe. fern,.
e Hots. Gentleman talked of the Friend (Mr. Heave) was setting for something aew. He so 19,0 f
rng the standard if Leettenhell, thought he could she. that if ever any one found s " ewes Sir C
ion markets. lie was teiniDdid nest" it was the Hon. Gent. opposite. His Ord prepares'
ions. tie' admitted it, but then erns that there wait great novelty in the prommlisg, and Met induced
At the 1
it our cheep pros Woes to them. the itemiser of acmes had always been voted in evildoer; for the
ow that the prices of proviskies look whet bed bees time result of that system of reeddeete. conspell
and and foreign stations, but the Look at the easeent of the debt and taxes errata by this frees set
n each other in that regret? What system. This was ewe of the articles of she Mahlon .
if the cuuutry if a fleet mould against the House of Commons, that they had mina wesl th the her ad
. sea nail all the details of her Minato" to take the public mosey without inessery and
WO sea, s
ttou were in fell descriptors be- without neceseity. Why had the Hue. Gendeesse dueledpeaee. 1
. Grnslemas said sevemeest mit. the strews of his wit (the shasparsa of which heath ie that stall tit
on building and repair's; ships House mid elsewhere were well femme) sgainat his Hos. the ease
give the Honourable Member Friend? ealy for havier ex wed asil Saud here that system sent cot
red if be would prove that. It He thought the House would be misled by the speech of the
leguage, blendering—er, rather, Hen. Geollenian ;be should therefore wish use motion of Sir IS
rood, lie had mistaken stone his Hun. Frieed might be read, and the Hewn weuld this fallen fn
,_storehouse. for ships--beild. see what it was that be wished t.• have. Mr. B
marin
its fitted out. He would stele The SPEAKER having read the intendment proposed by
forall es
this error. If the House would Mr. Home—
il
ouse., magaxisses—of dock-yards Mr. BENNETT resumed. The lion. Condemns had ea. is 1817
including Plymouth Breakwater, deavoure.lie sheer that it would be a great istronvesleace o the Gum
they would find the amount to the public service, though there was a similar Report is tem. T
1 possible. But as to building 1818, and that ton for the cermet service of that year, oil en* is try.
It trusted. He had, by good for. not for past service..—[The Hon. Member here referred la ten Pros
17 in his band. He would read the Sevin in queeriou.)—Thus, what was new asked for wee, that
as
s, lie wished She Hos. Geod. to was then published, and no question it all made of lone
t hi 1
Vii —(Mr. Hume.—" I wilt.")— venienre to the public service. Disease the war there me hat is,
,ed repairing ships in 1817 was ne objection to shew the general distribetion of the tut, en fermi
' 1,760,000/."J—Mr. Crofter said yet for this his Hon. Friend was itereeed annual is ei•
these eal
I total was 1,130,000!. for the year press terms, of wishing to spread disorder and disgust a leek into
1820, 1,142,000/. Here were the the wavy, yet there was no man in the littliell who had a Illeeehes.
rising up to two milieu • year, higher value for their services—not their jobbing, but their their pro
,n million.' expended is building public services. fah carrel
• al the G.
the Ministerial slik.)—derel7lll" )ii r. CROK Ell explained. He could assure the Woes* the maim
a ninepence. The total e( those Me Gentlennie that be had never out of that House ands Sir G. i
✓as to the wear and tear of the the slightest &minion to either himself or the I,lmtourable the esti,'
onceive it Deaconry for the dot. Member for Aberdeen. The armament of the Hearesiable "nude of I
pers,or that the House would wish Gestate's" (Mr. Beset!) applied to noty eve motif% the were,
nate his own understanding .1 the wheicas there wereffsie motion% mid the owe befoie tie man (Mr.
01 be an operative of "sem 48' House was the leentztlionable of any of sheet. for they •
casein nature of the service—dld The House then , when there appeared— man seeps
r of human energy sod mastitis. For the sammilmast
eping down sniuggliug, • writhe Against it
ir, the good effect* of • hicb wore -- USN la ta
of the revenue. The Hun. Ilea- Majority
lee ;he had made mu scomet of on our re,„,.„ 10 the gallery we ceeed 4119,000 f
1 service off South Atm'. tee. He Mr. CA LCRAFT es his legs, wigged* the PrePhl7 Mr. CI
as uo genii% there without dutsb- of sums mesa,. 'expecting inns, °Meets. f file Mow
ape of Good Hope. If be did The CHANCELLOR of the EXCVEQUER slid a kit babied °ea
to of the pleasure and yachting words twins the table which were inaudible is the Gviinv takes Is i
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'crib", could be 11° other than Mr. HUME then row weenie
to submit • le the Hose account.
I Cape Horn. He had forgoforgotten He said the Hon. Gentleness (Mr, Croker) bad sernreffic" Mt. HE
h of service—the prevention of attenuated is answer hie speed'; battling which hail bete ss-
meet. As
oast of Africa. He understood sawed was sever staled by him (Mr. Howie); sad that which Secretary
tribe Ibm.e services as parties be bed attempted re tweeter oer altogether • sitstairweel• te take e,
Shea, Ges
Ye (Mr. Hume) deserved. le was said that be wished to 4:e. "toed C.,
I hadthe OnpoplvosisithiontosiEdei!)"—PHfir ret;
to the words used by the Hem late to the Homes beat bow may one coeld be snit to " . nueryoBl
He begs% i• imitator which, be thought. we eta weeW so
to "hew that the Hoe. Member late te the House who prepared a mesure, sod es'
,: excess of I
o his view of the eaPeeeea a She deavoured to persuade the House to agere wick his, • Mr. CR
use) harialt luelailed 11l the laud he knew not. Could any w Horne do his duty la lisaHorne Dealt. to
rps, such a. clothes, beer, la tr. without so dietalieg, tithed were dictation?—(Hear, beer , 43,k050/. I
eluded in the item, whirl he bad He hail laid • Parhamemary greeted fur his soutiou .be
~_sh.ti inessoitted
from the charge of &mimeo, sod sheen that iteentonge, sew sated sow, was lAOO.OOI wit . to
N. for that charge. The Mon. kis maw*" it i sow, period for the wise service. It
.. glither.pee
favour of WM". above °ado's- was mid that espluatiesa would be gives is the Caws.," Ms. Mt
',jag *ow people; Gueerouwee We; bet he said No, sad whatever meta be she ibmeliet (he Oben
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hies ago fur Preferring anala". of the intellect of the Hen. Member (Mr. Croher),_
_lle „_.-
.' . The gge
.an "1111'1 pan a the bail. an p moo te undersisied the secounit as (masked 1 lte n;. teeresio
of
three years—marines for life. Member bad talked of the dagger of exposure, MS le (_7,,. nue4r-tritrio
' beler"ll a "eel ••d • 1"11 Hew) lad *ever wished er asked lis tem, bow the e "10' ?Ma Areal
county, lbe inferior meterleii— will, . . eaplsyed—ell be teed wko• nu, such • detail lie ItgAA
were at 41. per ilas Fit mouth, were sot to have. But thee ik Hootsata ?tie fyii
Per mass the Ifloilles Id dliw his opuses, the House would nut do its dutyi 51.1%.1,1:c. . 11•41WIte'fly
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