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COLONIAL RETURNS.

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LOYAL PLTITION.

On the motion of Mr. HOME, after a few prefa-
tory observations, indicating that the present appli-
ciflon was in some degree Aar to one which he
Isst Ses►ion, several Accounts were ordered to
Ise laid before the House, explanatory of the Civil
and Military Expenses, the Revenues, the Emu'''.
tnetsts of Officers, Ik.e. in the Colonies of Ceylon,
the Mauritius, the Cape of Good Hope, Malta,
Go.Li, and the adjoining Colonies, as well as
thug of St. Helena and Heligoland ; together with
the Accounts of the sums paid over and above their
revenues, for the expenses of the said Colonies,
specifying the items us well iss aggregate amount
during the last two Sears for staff and other ap-
pointments ; also Accounts ►hewing the civil ex-
penses of what are called the King's Colonies, which
tisse not the benefit of the British law, and where
tie inhabitants form no legislative body to manage
their financial expenditure.
PUBLIC DEBT OF GREAT BRITAIN AND
IRELAND.
On the motion of the same Hon. Member, Ac-

counts were also ordered, ',hewing the amount of the
• Deht of Great Britain and Ireland, sr it
stood at the beginning of the year ISI9, with the
unioriiit of the total uurederused debt, and the in-
t.—c,t due thereon.
PENRYN ELECTION.
Sir CHARLES BURRELL give notice, that on'
l'oeorlsy se'nnight he would move for leave to
I.••!o,,. in a Bill for the better prevention and pu.
risbment of bribery and corruption in the borough
l'enryn.

MiSr!EPRESENTATION IN A MORNING PAPER.

(NOT IN THIS )
Mr. STUART WORTLEY rose to correct a misre-
pte•eutation of his speech oil Tuesday last, whitrh
Fad been made in one of the Morning Papers.
(The lion. Member did not name the Paper, but
i•e mistake slid not occur in this Journal.)—He
stated to have said that one of tin• Resolutions,
.elecii bad been passed at a Reform Meeting in
Leeds last September, plainly pointed at a parti-
tion of the property of Earl Fitzwilliam, in York-
iltire. Now lie said no such thing respecting the
Leeds Meeting. What he did say was, that a Re-
Nub:flint of that import did certainly pass in a
greeting held in one of the Ridings in Yorkshire,
hut that the particular none of the place he did
rot recollect. " Having the strongest opposition to
the Radicals, and believing them to be the very
worst enemies to the liberties of the countty—
Ilear, hear/-1 sin particularly anxious that my
oppoeitiun to them should be firm and decisive, and
strictly confined to facts and not misrepresenta-
tiona."—(Heur, hear.)
The SPEAKER--" Does the Hon. r
make any proposition to the House ?"
Mr. STUART WORTLEY replied in the negative,
observing, Ins only object was to correct a inisre-
prerentation.
CAMELFORD ELECTION._

Mr. D. gave notice, that he would
to-morrow submit a motion to the House, for the
iiro.e of preventing the Speaker from inning his
tt vista for electing a new Nlemiter for the Borough
t.ft'ainelford, which he would do, as the notice of
I :.; S-tisinu now stood, ten days after the meeting of
titiment. until fresh evidence were uttered, and
si Helmet made thereupon.
CARELESS DRIVING or STAGE COACHES, Sce.
dtr. AI. A. l'Alchoit gave notice, that early in
the Sertlion (ther the Christmas rice..) he would
submit measures to the Douse for the better pre-
vention of accidents in stage couches, and fur the
more effectual puuntliment of the thriven, whose
arrlo,. or wilful conduct occasions them; also for
the better management of steam-engints and fur-
nice+ in the metropolis; and further, a measure for
the better artarigrinent of the Appellant Jurisdic-
torn in the House of Lords.
BANK NOTES.

On the motion ut dlr. ti&LNFELi., Accounts
we• e ordered of the total weekly issues of Bunk•
N tArs and Post Bills from the Bank of England.'
trot,' the 29th of June in tl:e present year, to the
_tli.• of November, distil guishing those under the
of 51. anti speetfyil.g the aggregate amount
ol Li e whole.

Mr. MFl.Listi piesristrd a Petition front the
Vie 3r. Churchly/rulers, and other inhabitants of
• Sr. Pancras. expressive of their loyalty dud attach-
to the ennstitution.and also of the aldiot fence
with which Ilir) v.eortl the seditious and
which have been recehtly un-
through toe country. and calhog upon rlf•••
I,33letit to desire stiemisures to Olt down bitch itu•
011114 attempts to create popular delusion.
.1.1:e Petition was load on the table.
AFFAIRS t.►F MANCHESTER._ _

• Mr. ETT role t 0 preSila a l'etilion from a
nun:tier of respectnhie Merchants, ;%lailufacturero,
'awl Traders, residing in the town• of 3lanchr►ter,
Sia,ord, and the neighbourLoutt, pr.iyisig for an
tilloiry luta the offence of the Hid) of August.
This Petitions ha had the beat reason fox believing,

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contained the sentiments of a great majority or the
inhabitants of that neighbourhood. It dwelt at
some length npon the extent as well as the cause of
the existing evils among the people, and attributed
their origin to the wont of a Parliamentary Reform.
The Petitioners gave • detailed description of the
prevention of the intended meeting at Manchester
on the 9th August. and also of the dispersion of
that held on the IGth. The Ilan. Member ob-
served, that he had read an account, taken from the
short-hand writer's notes, of the evidence given be-
fore the Coroner at Oldham, and in it he had Serll
an account of the facia sworn to by eight or tell
respectable iiitlividuals—facts which most strongly
called for farther investigation and inquiry. Though
he was not, like the Noble Lord opposite (Castle-
reagh). hold etiongli to declare, that what be hail
heard frutu others were established facts, yet he
had every reason to give credence to what had been
sworn to by so many persons who were represeuted
as of respectability. From a perusal of the evi-
dence before the inquest, he could also say, that
were lie to sum up the whole of it, it would be
very easy to reconcile the apparent contradictions
in parts of the testimony given by different wit-
oesses, and to 11 hew that those seeming differences
could not impeach the truth of their general
statements. that the conduct of the militioy was
cruel in the extreme. The Petitioners stated,
that they had done as much as in their power
lay to to put the whole matter in a train of
proper inquiry. They had first applied, but
Pi vain. to the Grand June's (institutiolis of
which Mr. Bennett spoke in terms of the warmest
panegyric), ❑ext to the Magistrates, who refused
to enter into the inquiry, and how to Parlia-
ment, the Grand Inquest Of the nation. The lion.
Member warmly enforced the necessity of allaying
the ferment that so unhappily prevailed throughout
the country, by an inquiry into the affiir at Man-
chester—an inquiry which every good man must
wish to press upon the consideration of Ministers,
for the satisfaction of an irritated people.--
( Hear.)

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On the question that the Petition he brought up,
Sir R. Wilms? rose, and said, that bring in-
structed to support the tamper of this Petition he
had a few words to offer to the House. His opinion
of the necessity of inquiry, instead of being changed,
was rendered still mere strong after reading the
whole of the evidence given before the Coroner, the
whole of the papers laid before the House: and
hearing all the counter statements made in Parlor-
merit, and which formed a 'tort of bill of indicts
merit against the people of Menehester. He denied,
from all he could collect, that the people assembled
on the Ifith August vi et armis to oppme the
military or the Magistrates, or that they offered any
resistance in the first instance to the cavalry, except
that which was unavoidable from the nature of the
dense body they formed. The civil power did net
precede the military in their advance to the host.
lugs, so far as he could judge from the facts di..
closed before the Coroner, nor did they attempt to
make way for them in the odvance. if any request.
Linn to that effect had lwen made, there was every
reason to believe the people would have complied
with it. Mr. Hunt land stated, that if he hid
been apprise% I of their object, ;re should have called
on the people to ii3rtt made way for the rival power,
and have instantly surrendered many warrant in the
hands of a peace officer; indeed Mr. Horst ex.
ready said so when arrested on the hustings, and
when he called fur a constable and refused to sur-
render to military authority. Whether the yeo-
manry had acted with temper—whether they had
uthaticed into the mixed throng with proper caution
and preceded by the civil authorities, were proper
points of inquiry; as well also as the fact of a
cuu-
stable, and a woman and child, being killed on the
advance of the yenmunry to the hustings, and
the subsequent occurrence of the cutting down of
art old man who supported himself on • crutch.
Whatever encomiums had been bestowed upon par.
ticular officers who were engaged in t'se unhappy
events of that day, there were facts which wore a
most extraordinary aspect—for instance, the cutting
at a malt near the busting'. supposed to be John
Lees, who was proved before the Coroner to have
been struck by the sabres of several persona who
were particularly designated. Also respecting the
sharpening of the swords, he contended that nothing
had occurred to overthrow the statement that they
were repaired for the occasion.—(Loud coughing
from the Ministerial Beaches.)—Gentleiorn might
cough, but he pledged himself to substantiate fits
assertion if they would go into an inquiry. The
name who was employed to sharpen them was
Deniel Kennedy, a cutler. In his examination, he
used the following words: 4 On the 17th July 1
had done (that is sharpened) 63 swords, and more
at a subsequent time previous to the 16th August."
He had, after he had done the first set. received
orders to sharpen them well, and he did them. to
use his own expression's, 44 very well." On being
asked, 44 were swords ever brought before to you to
be sharpened ?" he answered, " occasiotially to be
cleaned, never sharpened." On being asked wine.
tiler the swords brought to him on the 176 July
particularly wanted repairs, lie said, that some
wanted repairs. hot they were generally left to be
sharpened. He (Sir Robert) wanted ant inquiry, to
see if these atutements could be disprosed ;
but as there was nn likelihood of an inquiry iu that
House, no chance of it iu the heated state of the
county of Lancaster, ne really could not but think
-.lie state of the country alarming. Tine people saw
deputy coroner refuse to convene ill inquest on a
particular day, because he had to sup iii a neigh-
bouring village; they saw the same person, when
the inquest sat, guilty naafi indecency which could
not be described in that House (we believe the allu-
sion was to his hating put himself in • certain
attitude towards' Mr. Harmer) ; when they saw air.
other coroner refuse to hold air inquest under par-
ticular circumstances; and when they saw .27 per.
sons arrested, detained in custody eleven weeks. and
subsequently discharged without airy charge being
produced against them, it was impossible for them
nut to feel that the county of Lancaster was, in its
present state. out of the pale of the law. He was
bound by no party ties to any particular side of the
House, but it was Impossible for him to look at the
present state of the country and not attach himself
to that party who loudly demanded iiiquiry into the
causes of the emoting coloututtes.
An Honourable Nletuher, whose name we could
Hot learn, replied to tilt last speaker, arid stated
that on the subject of sharporing the swords lie

drew a very different conclusion from that which
he had attained. Admitting the swords were
sharpened in the manner described. where was the
er ?on the contrary. he thought it extremely
proper that the swords should have hero sharpened.
when it wss clear, and known in the country, that
the people were preparing to attend the Msut•hrstrr
meetiog with pikes end pistolo.—( heur.)—
The Commandant of a ye ttttt *my rorp*, finder
smelt circiiinstatices. was bound to inquire into the
state of the signs of his men, mid have them put
into an effective state for service.—(Meur. Aenr.)—
With respect to the statements ;rpm) oath before
the. Coroner, so much relied on, lie hail no Isra:.
taiton in stating his di.be lief of them; he would nut
believe the evidence of persons who w,re pnilwed
(as mitly of them weicl in the stream of im-
piety and blasphemy that flowed through that
part of the contitry—what obligation had the Banc.
City of an oath upon men of that description ?
akar. —llle recollected that last Session. when
in a case respecting transports the assertions of the
Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Bennett) were met by
official document., that Unn. Member declared
hr recollected en wpiniew of who ►aid,
there were tenses in which he would tint believe whit
was called pu•ittve evidence monist the stroll
cantle of probabilities, when oppo.eil to it. Ile
woatd use the lion. Member's own repression
against him now, and ssy lie would slot believe that
any members of a corps•of yeomanry, rosy, any arm
in this kingdom, even the infamous wretch Cathie
himself, would wantonly am( deliberately cut
floWll s woman. 'flits lie never would beliere.—
(Ilear.4 _ . .

The Petition was then read. It contained a liar.
rative of the pariiculArs of the meett..g at .7.1 a ,chea-
ter, and olds dispersion, together nit la a prayer tor
■n inquiry into the affair, and also fur u better re
preseistatiou of the people in Parliament.
It was laid on the table and ordered to be printed.

Air. BOOTLE WILDIL•HASt repeated Ins tiros
conviction that the statetuedots he had made
than OHCC since Parloadueist met respecting the
IMatichester business, would eventually prove the
correct details of the different facts.— ( Hear, hear)
He also declared his opinion, that the speeds of
the gallant General (Sir Robert IVilson) was cal-
culated to leave an impression not home out by
the actual occurrences of the 16th of August. The
gallant General bed insinuated that fresh orders
bad been given respecting the sharpening of the
swords after their first delivery to the cutler. Now
this he denied—for if any order were give°, it must
have been respecting those swords that through
neglect were not sent in ut first.
Mr. BENNETT complained of the harsh and un-
qualified censure bestowed mum the witnesses be•
fore the Coroner, winds lie thought as unwise as it
was unjust, and particularly when apploll to a
large body of mess, of whom perky* Honour-
able Members who used those censures knew little
or nothing. He could speak flout his own know.
ledge of one of the witnesses Itrfort, tilt Coroner, •
witness whom he knew to be of a calm, sober, reel-
gious turn of mind, and who last Session came to
town oil a ulolaothroioc jourory, to :gairtiorate the
cooditioss of the poor children to t he cotto!l-factori.o.
The lion. Member, whose name we were unable
to learn, arid in explanation, that one of the persons
who spoke almost the yertons:ory .before the in-
quest wog a party ilactolpatro, and therefore little to
be attended to, for lie admitted that he had marched
up to the ineetiorg from Leeds wi h a large body of
men.—(Hear.)
MR. HUNT'S PETITION.

Mr. Alderman %Voot Goal, that in compliance
with a itquest which had bees male of hunt, he had
to present a Petition, cbmplaining of the conduct
of the Alunostrates at Manchester, of the Grand
Jura*, and more particularly of h+► Majesty's Nli-
tasters.— (Hear, lieur.)—The Petition was armor-
pawed by five affidavits, which had been tendered
111 a Court oh Ji!eke. but not read, ay the ptiviy
olrerint; them was not a professional tarn.—/A cry
of " Nome him!")—The worth♦ Alderman said,
the mane of the Petitioner was [friary Hunt—l 4
laugh )—oild he stated that he was prepared to
prove at their bar, by his own testiatiouty, and the
corroboration of it by men of the ti,st respecta-
bility. and uutconueeied with the Radicals, that the
statement* in the Papers laid 011 the tattle of the
Home were OitaLle.

The Petition, which went over the whole ground
of the Mattel's-tier bosun-se, was read. The only
new fact it contained was, that when the Court of
King's Bench refused to litter 111 r. Hunt in a cri,
initial prosecution oti the part of the King, he not
being a professional woo, or of the King's Counsel,
he had tendered all bus facts jail proofs to the At-
torney-C;esierid, who refused to take up the caw.
The Petition was laid ou the table, and ordered
to be printed, though, when the question fur print-
ing was pot, there were several NOeS."

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY—CONSOLIDATED FUND.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved.
that the House do resolve itselt Imo a Committee
of Supply. He stated that liiv object wus riot to
propose guy specific resolution. but merely a gene-
ral one. to which there could be rio objectinii.
The flou..e their resolved itself into a Commit-
tee, arid the Hight Honourable Gentleman merely
moved, '"chat a supply be granted to his Ma-
jestv."
Mr. GRENFELL said. that be did not rise to op.
pose the tout • at the Hight Hon. Gentleman, but
merely to ask for explination nt a partieuhr

cuinstance. Ile had seen an ufficial account that
there was a deficiency in the Cons,'lidated Fund
to the amount of 8.000,000/. sterling. He was
perfectly aware that in the recent quarters there
were deficiencies to the amount of 3 or 4,000,0001.,
but to hear of ti. 000,000% staggered him ; he merely
wished to inquire tutu the hem. and to have sonic
explanation ut the cause of such a deficiency.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated in
reply, items certainly true that in the quarter ending
ou the 10th of October last. there was a deficiency
in the Consulidated Fund to the amount of -alsout
8.000.00014 but so far as the actual state of the
fund was iu that [the last] quarter, there was an
actual surplus, as competed with the preceding
ones, in the state of the particula► quarterly ac-
count. The deficiency aliuded to did not there.
lure arise in the last quarter. but consisted of the
accumulating a of preceding ones, flora the
time when the treasuries of England and Ireland
were incorporated. and included the mrrar act's-
slimed by the borrowing of sums by one tieabory

from the other. At the time of the incorporation
of the two treasuries, *re way s dr6 cit of almut
11,000,000/. which had subsequently smoniotrol by
other operations to 8,000,000/. Ile had also to
ANtr, that the rcveione of the quarter ending on the
10th of fleinher was short, as comp:m-11 with the
amount of the same period lost year, to the sum
of 1,100,000/. ; but by the accounts which would
50051 be produced. it would appear to have coosi.i.
rl•ruhlt exceeded the corm! hog quarter of 1817.
Of this comparative deficit of 1,100,000/. poo,ootd.
wan 'linter the head of Commits, partly ovens iiiii ed
by A MlAgtl3,loo 01 trade, from causes of which
they had heard in die course of the spring, awl
partly 10 COSlNCtillellre of the recent consolidation of
the Customs, which occasioned the payment of
large sums to the July quarter, to avoid an iis-
ctea.e of Payment its that which followed (the
Imo). There was also a delicieocy in the Excise to
the extent of '200,0001. But he felt great satirfac-
faction on statinK, notwithstanding the particular
deficiency its the revenue of lam quarter, that in
every branch of the revenue throughout the main
average of the year, as compared with the preced-
ing one, there was an increuse.—(Hear.)
Ti,! Resolution was agreed to, and the Report
ordered to be received to-morrow.
STATE OF THE COUNTRY.
THE NEW LAWS.
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Lord CaorrtEREAGR rose and desired the Clerk
to read the following passaqes from the Prince Re-
gent's Speech, which were accordingly read:—
" I regret to hare been under th► necessity of calling you
together at this period of the year ; hut the seditious pi-m-
-aw...re lung prevalent in some of the manufacturing dis-
tricts uf the country have been continue.' with increases' ac-
tivity sure coo sr. re last assemble.' in Parliement.
" y have II d In proceedings incompatible with the
public hauquillily, and with the peaceful habits of the in-
dustrious classes of the community ; and a spirit is now
fully manic sled utterly hostile to the Constitution of this
kingdom. mod aiming nut only at the change of those pull-
tical ineutestions which have hitherto constituted the pride
and atcm sty of this country, but at the sub ion of the
rights of properly, sod of all order in society.
° I have giv. a directions that the necessary information
on this subject shall be laid before you; and I feel it to be
my indispensable duty to pr.ss on your immediate attention
the consideration of such measures as may be reqiusile for
the rosseiterneliun and suppression of a system which, if not
effectually checled, mutt bring confusion and ruin ou the

The Noble Lord then commenced his speech, by
stating, that he rose in pursuance of his notice, to
call the attention of the House to the state of the
country, as recommended by the Speech from
the Throne. He assured them that he never
in his place in Parliament rose under a more awful
sense of the painful situation an which he stood,
and of the difficult task he had to perform. Pain-
ful indeed Must he the situation of a Minister of
the Crown when lie feels inmstlf bound by the im-
perious ties of hi. public duty to propose for the
moisideration of Parliament measures both of a
coercive and restrictive character as affecting the
people. He felt the fell extent of the difficulty
and danger, while guarding the loyal, who required
from the hands of Government protection fur their
lief-snits and property, of stopping otitis the neces-
sity of Ole rese, and convincing that House, as the
goaidtao of the public liberties, that no step was
t!iten to compromise the Constitution of the cowl-
tri, bot that the utmost sod most anxious rare was
taken tol put diesii shuses, which were calculated,
if left unrestrained, to extinguish the best rights of
Englishmen, and their most valuable inheritance.
It was the earliest wish of his Majesty's Ministers
so to frame the measures to which they solicited
the attention of Parliament, as to meet the existing
evil, and at the same time not to infringe upon, but
rather to save the Constitution from the danger
which threaten* it. He thought it right to ob-
serve, that notwithstsioling some of the inea-
sures healed by Lis Majesty's Ministers were
to originate in the other House, he still thought
it but right not to confine their attention to the
mere measures with the proposition of which
he meant to conclude, hat to give the House a
broad outline of the whole, so as to enable them at
one view to embrace the whole scope of the plan of
Ministers, to *hew the House at once the full ex-
tent of the dangers that tileoaced the country, and
the broad remedy with 'which it was intended they
should be met, He would, on the present occasion,
lissome the existent..., of a great danger to the exist-
ing insttrutiw•s of the country—he felt himself even
entitled to assume it from the admission of the fact
die amendment to the Address, which was propos-
ed and supported by the Gentlemen oppo-
site. In claiming the benefit of this assump-
tion oil the present occasion, for the sake of
more briefly and succinctly stating his view to the
House, he by no menus intended to be absolved in
is future stage of their proceedings, from support-
ing, conclusive proofs, the whole of the details
of measures which led to the necessity of resorting
to the course adopted by his Majesty's Govern-
' input, He assumed, therefore, for his present pur-
pose, that it spirit had disclosed itself in parts of
the country, which was incompatible with the
safety of the Constitution, and the preservation of
the principles and property of the great bulk of
the community—a spirit that in its operation was
even tuitions amid fatal to the very deluded indi-
viduals themselves who had imbibed it. The
Ministers of the Crown were called upon to aid the
civil power to extinguish this spirit; its exist-
ence dolt baneful effects were pressed upon their
consideration by the Magistrates of Cheshire and
Lancashire, by the declaration of the Grand Jury
of the latter, in behalf of the largest population
of soy county in the whole circle of the empire,
and one comprising, perhaps, the greatest extent of
properly, in the centre of which this spirit had
broken out, so, as in the words of the Itepresenta-
live of that comity. •' almost to border upon a
state of actual rebellion." It was lamentable to
find that the infection had taken root in the great
manufacturing districts, and was calculated, in the
view of one of the first commercial men in the coun-
try, the Member for Taunton (Mr. A. Wittig), to
create a suite of things which must, if not stopped,
eventually put down the counnercial rank and the
other great interests of the country, and no interest
inure surely, or less fatally, thsti that of the unfor-
tunate and deluded people who were so anxious to
create a change of which they must themselves
be the most eertsio victinii.—(fleur.)—lii pro-
posing the measures which his Majesty's Govern-
ment deem the fittest for the present emergency, he
should be sorry if he were supposed to havethe slight-
est inclination to exaggerate the existing state of
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thing,. or to set afloat an insinuation that 11:e great
hulk or the lwople of the empire weer entlim ked rotor
machinations of those against whom the measures
of Government were directed. With id:emote to
that country to which lie more particul•itly belong.
ed, he fife a pride, and hoped it would he con.
antlered a laudable one, that Ireland, no minnow.
tint feature io the general view of the empire—
( /One, hear )—tirter experienced a ',tete of greater
intermit tranquillity thou she now exhibited._.
(Hear, hear.)—Long may she feel 16 adeatitere
and benefit of this important constitutional pus'_
(ion. so well calculated to place herself to ifte
Sli111011(01 she ought to till, and to inspire that roil.
fidener iu her views in the other parts of the
which her slat I character, when owlet.
stood and appreciated in its true sense, su well
entitles her to hold.—(Hear, /tear, heat.)—A,
to the State of England, he might sae that kr
agricultural population never knew a greater state
of repose. or was more rapidly rective6se from the
difficulties undyr which they laboured. tie la.
melded that the same character di I not apit'iv ti,
important parts of the manufacturing primal:moo.
Let the /loose. in looking at the ferratut which
prevailed iu such quarters, reflect on the magnitude
of the danger from the formidable physical force of
a dense populist,,,,, among whom the patois wo,
slisteminated. In pointiog out the source aud
centre of this danger, he was perfectly prepared to
admit, that even tit the districts which were
frctetl, there was sti:l force enough elfsetuslly to
put down 'realism and rebellion ; hut this could
not be done as matters at present stood, 'nit.
out entailing bitter misery upon the deluded
population. It was necessary to arm the taws
with fresh vigour to appal the deluded, and pre.
vent the country from being ulinnattdy exposed
to the devastitiont of a wide.tpreadia.: rehellion.
As for the trade of the country, except indeed as
far as concertted the American market, that coon.
try which the deluded people looked
second paradise, except as far :is our cantilever
was interrupted in contequence of the distress of
that country, he sow no reason for thitik•og that
the commercial concerns of the country were int.
paired. With the European markets the trade c-f
the country remained undin )ill i l lied, and the come,
of lower price*, proceeding, as they did, Iran
alteration in the affairs of the country, Iron a silt,-
of war to that of peaces.-theae cause., 1w wow(
venture to say, no Parliament could remove. Wei•
regard to the remedies he nwatit to proartse,
would state them iu five dittinct headiet—ilw
most important one he would leave for the Lis'.
The first regarded simultaneous meeting.. Wiwi.
he amid were lately field in the country. cud wet-
never known before ; the second :wad related to !Jo--
practice of tr g men, prevaring them by that
means to military, and of course to rebellions ezet-
cise ; the third remedy was to give extraordinary
power for seizing arms from persona who should not
be able to give to the Magistrates proper reasons for
holding them ; the fourth remedy was to promote
the more speedy tultnitustrotion of justice. as it re..
girded misdemeanor.; the fifth :aid last remedy
was as regarded the press, or, as he should say in
contradistinction—the blasphemous, seditious, and
treasonable part of the press. An to simultaueotts
meetings, no one was more willing than he
was to uphold the right of the subject to cony
his grievance. to tile foot of the throne; hot:
that right, like every other, mast li-
hated according to reason, othertri.e it would tie.
come an abuse, and lead to sanguinary and rehei-
lious proceedings, which would rod in militay
tyranny. The doctrines promitteoted at nithix
meetings were such as never couid lie submitted to
under any Government; he woii!il give tiw doc-
trines as clearly stated by Mr. Thistlewood. 11-.
said lie knew no -law or principle in the Consteo-
tiots that prohibited ten thousand, or a hutitirr,l
thousand, or a million of pertons meeting at arc
place they thought fit, and until they struck
blow. there was no cause to question the leg,!!iii
of such a meeting. It made no difference whythy,
they went with arms or without tom.; with floe.
or without flags; and in fact, with or without
the paraphernalia which were for lie I.
trodtierd at meetings at this country. WKS it.
••ked, to be distort(' that any iiiihvirinal w t'l
be allowed to assemble any portion of l,e ;w0;.::•
with t limnlation, and were the I:igistrittes t •
stand inactive—were these things to be vernutted
then he would say that the provision% a II:, b.:
the country were most absinti on the fate
thern—/Hime, hear.)—He would sly I:tat the
we are in at present, war one under which tio ditto-
try was ever in. and in which sin country coital
exist. Was every meeting of the people to
forth the civil Hod military nuthority—and art.
what Minister or Magistrate could do his duty if
he suffered these tumultuory meetings to he held,
without exerting all his power and caution to pre.
serve the public peace? Was it to be tolerated
that the well-disposed and loyal individuals were
to be filled on all such occasions, with di..
tresting fears, not childish fear% but oat u-4!
and legitimate fears ? —was it to be elidortd,
that their business was to be interrupted
their shops to I* shut up ?—(llene)—ins It to
tolerated that the population of the cou-
to be put in motion by every agiocor
rant orator, who thought fit to make ax
Upon them, nod drag them about hint ft'
distance? Those persons might wtlsine
pulace—they might tell them that pet-ions
sinecures were the causes of all their
and distress; yet he would say, that ..a
occur,. and iNfliSlolls were ahohs'ie.l t.
they would not in the course of ten •ein

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sitcrificed every day the} 'mended these
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from its oppcorosice is tllrgal. eve.s
violence was committed. and though no i
exhibited by the people ; its numbers
terror would constitute its illeg.ility. mid
gistrate is hound to interfere to protect the
the property of the community egg:wild 0
lity of being injured by suck tumultuous
Whate%er laxity of opiuiou might have
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Paelinment. The question of low N'2l.
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in a manner which increased his high authority
(ai d oo authority could be higher) by the clear and
walla sen-e with which he treated the subject, and
which must have carried conviction to every mom
who heard hurl.— (Hear. hear.)—lt was the right
of l;ritash subjects to meet 1111 public question.. hut
there could he no rights iiierou.n.terit with the secu-
silo, the pence, and the property of other% Never
was r question more clearly, supported in that
Honer. by high. legit authority. At his side, his
flats. and Learned Friend', who, though connected
with Government, would give no opinion which
4141,t0t conscientiously entertain, had de-
elaterl More meetings illegal, whilst on the other
side no ode oriitored to affirm that they were 1,...,1:
oily on► ausi,o,,ry ~,,, the opposite side had
out 6611116 leuei 111.1it,1%, 11111 the House would
:metre the floe, and Li dolled/Gentleman's speech
in espectancy— for the business of that night he
that the opinion of the Honourable
sal Learned Member was to be taken as on big
sine of the question, because if a gentleman of
his distinction in his profession could entertain
st-obt on the subject. it wlllll time that such
doubts should be removed by Parliament (Hear.)
flaring said so much, lie would call the attention
of the House to the nature of the enactments be
memo to propose. First is regarded large meetings:
where vast numbers of persons assemble, niiil
different parts of the country (they had the author-
fey al G.oneral Bylig. yea) nig the fart) simulta-
neous meetings were to be held in different places
on the same day, anti the declaration was, that they
were rot to separate until they obtained their lights
meetings could not be tolerated, end the re-
gulation' intended was, that the people might meet
in townships and parishes, a mode well known, and
an iently practised. It was intended to regulate
meetings by two means—by local limitation. and by
negative limitation. It was by no means the inten-
tion of Government to reduce the number of persons
alto might attend public meetings to such numbers
as would chill their proceedings, but it was their wish
to prevent persons from attending those meetings,
or noterferotig iii those proceedings, who, is inhabi-
tants, were not entitled to do so; all persons be-
hmeitig to each parish, with due notice to the Ma-
gistrate, might meet and deliberate, and thereby
exescose the general right of the subject. Ile wookld
roo this question read a passage from the wool( of a
Nohle Lord of high authority, and who could not
be suspected of a waist of constitutional principle.
[Here lie read a passage from a pamphlet of Lord
Erskine, condemning large meetings of the people.]
It was meant by the measures which Government
icid in contemplation, not to infringe on the
rights of the people, bat to preserve them. It
Was intended to make it a misdemeanor to any
person not resident in Cie townshohip or parish
to attend the meeting of such township or parish.
This regulation would effect two objects. There
were, lie should observe, some very large parishes
in Great Britain ; there were about thirty parishes,
the population in each of which exceeded 20,000
persons or moro. These parishes might be divided
into districts, containing not less than 10,000 per-
sons in each, so as not to take away a popular cha-
racter from the panels meetings. The House would
see that by the regulation two objects would be
effected :—the first was to r.r...!ult ''f-tttgor-; t:7 ex-
clude itinerant orators, who make stadiums their trade,
and to prevent large and tumultuary assemblies,
user which those persons exert all their arts. An-
other regulation was, in order to prevent 'limits-
'woos niretings, to give Magistrates the power of
varying the particular time of holding meetings,
and to prevent the inconvenience and confusion of
holding meetings in market places, or other public
situattono. Notice also moat be given to Magis-
trates six days before the meeting can be held.
Another part of the subject was as to the manner
iu nhich persons were to approach those meetings;
no one should be allowed to attend them under
arms, or with symbols which were, in fact, sym-
bols of revolution and confusion. Upon this
punt he intended to propose a distinct clause,
making it illegal for persona to go forth armed,
calculated to inspire terror in the breasts of the
peaceable and loyal. This clause he intended to
extend to all meetings, even of counties, with
which, in other respects, the Bills did not interfere,
because it could not be forgotten that one meeting
in particular was disgraced by the symbols of radi-
cal sedition. Another provision was to apply to
women attending these public meetings. In the
worst period of the French Revolution, women
could be found to act in similar scenes, who
were collected from the market and the brothel.
He was happy to say that io the metropolis no
women were found who would so far forget the de-
licacy of their sex as to attend those violent pro-
ceedings which took place, and he was sure that the
innate decency and the moral feelings of his coun-
trywomen, would in future preserve them from
the taint and disgrace inseparable from those scan-
tbitons exhibitions. The Magistrate was to have
the power of seizing on such persons as should attend
meetings of parishes or townships not being Mho-
boards. After proclainatiolo it was intended that
the Magistrate have power to call on all strangers
to withdraw, and if they should not obey, he
might pronounce the meeting illegal, and treat
it sic such, and have the power of dissolving it
altogether. Should strangers not withdraw, or
should a number of more than twelve remain.
lie did not mean to make such an Act felony of
death.—(Hear, hear, and loud laughter from the
Opposition side of the House./--If the gallaut
General opposite had read the Act of 1817, for Intl,'
presoing illegal meetings, he would find a similar
',halite in that Act, but he would not propose such
s clause now. The time lie proposed to allow for
strangers to withdraw, ofter proclamation being
read, was a quarter of an hour,.and half an boor
to allow the merlin;; to disperse. He would
!low proceed to the second branch, lie meant
the measure which would prevent the military
It:tilling of the people. He meant to make a
dionoctlon between the persons drilling and the
periamis drilled, because the one was more intelli-
gent, and therefore more criminal than the other.
And here lie would turn aside for a moment to say,
and lie was glad to be able to say so, that except in
one or ;two instances, no old soldiers knit themselves
to such an unworthy purports. The pul3ivilinent
lie would inflict on those who would so far for-
get their duty as to assist in such practice*, would
be transportation —and on those drilled the pu-
sistiment of fine and imprisonment. As to the re-

gulation for th' more speedy administration of
the law, no measure was more congenial to the
true principles of the Constitution. ur more
called for by policy, us the law ennis.
Indtvt-
dusl. charged with heinous crimes err obliged
to go to trial, unless good cause be shewn to
the contrary—hut, in caws of mooleineatitor.
individual( might put off their tiaras for a year and
a half. The (object of the clause was to put the
cares of misdemeanor nearly on the *mine ground,
with regard to the time of trial. as that of more
grave nad capital cases. The object of the law
should be to tent persons on their trial with the loss
of as little time us porrible; but if, without any
assignable cause. persons charged with serious
(dirtier* were allowed, by traversing, to postpone
their triala, it could have no other effect than
that of delaying the administration of justice. Ilia
Majesty's. Minister( might send down Special Com-
mission* to the disturbed districts—but willing to
treat the accused with every delicacy. they had not
pursued a course which might appear an ex post
facto mode of accuaation. I-le now came to the last,
and the most important 1-(i:illation. that which con.
rrorned the press. He has; already distinguished
a certain part of the press from that shameless, arch-
trona, and blasphemous press which was the disgrace
ofthe country, and operated like poison oil ,he pea.
pie. Ile was willing to allow that this country never
would have arrived at the degree of character, of
splendour, and of liberty. to which she had attain-
ed, if it were not that Ale had what rational and fair
men would call a free press. Nothing that he in-
tended to propose would tend to affect that free
press. In the first place, the measure which was
about to be proposed would not go to prevent any
person, on his own authority, from publishing his
thoughts and opinions on political subjects, free
frum the regulation or rusitection of a censor.
Secondly, it was not intended to interfere with the
trial by jury, or to alter in any respect the law of
the bind, as applied to persons for libel. The first
regulation went, in fact, to prevent a fraud—u
fraud which operated to the prejudice of the re-
spectable part of the press, and which has throws,
profit and circulation into the hands of persons who
had neither character or security—persons who were
made the channel to convey that moral poison of
which the deluded people were made to quaff ro
largely. The regular newspapers were subject to a
stamp duty, and separate duties were pith for each
advertisement they contained. It was meant to put
weekly and other publications on the same fooling
its this respect with the regular ;tress; slid pamph-
lets of a small size should be put under the same
regulation. Some of those publications, conscious
that they were within the letter of' the law, con-
formed to it, and paid the regular duty, but others
(lid not. Mr. Cobbett formerly sold his Register
for 10d. but afterwards reduced it to ed. : a price
so small as gave readers of every description an op-
portunity of reading it. lie did sot, in fact. mean
to propose any thing on this head—he only meant to
give efficacy to the law as it stood, and to prevent a
gross fraud. It was meant to affix a stamp ditty on all
pamphlets licit exceeding two sheets, containing
political news. or treating of political news—ef
matters in Church or State—in fact, all political
pamphlets of that description it was mended to
put under the same regulations as those( which n-
gulate the daily press : this at least wools' render
!hem more expensive to individuals. The princia
pie way already established, that no publication
should be without the publisher's name
bring stated in it, so ii :hat when called on
he might be amenable to justice ; but the
mischief was, that the individual who publish-
ed did not always act; an individual who in-
tended to spread libels, procured it creature who
was a mere faggot, for small hire, and put him
forward us publisher, and he runs all ricks ; under
this sanction the real libeller in security and se-
cresy carries on his attacks. It was high time that
this should be corrected, and it was well that in
doing so, they only followed up a principle which
would render the press tespectabie. It surely was
desirable that the ostensible person at the press
should be a person of some visible means; it was
therefore intended that a person who might think
fit to become the proprietor of one of these publi-
cations, should enter into security himatolt; and
give the security of two persons of solvency in a
certain sum, to abide the punishment which the law
might inflict for seditious or blasphemous libels;
the faggot by that means would be removed, the
real person should appear, and solvent securities
would be bound to answer for the publication.
The next regulation lie intended watt to inilict •
penalty on all persons who should be found selling
small rublications not duly stamped, or published
by persona who had not conformed to the law; those
so offending to be brought before a Magistrate.
He knew reproaches would be cast on this measure,
though they would come with a very ill grace from
the other aide of the [louse. The time was dot
10111: post when a formal motion had been made by
a Gentleman on that side for the number of er
officio informations filed by the Attorney-General,
but it was nut until Governaterd had tried the force
of the calming laws that they thought of having re-
course to any other, and in his conscience lie be-
lieved that the evil was beyond the law as it exist-
ed at present. The regulation he proposed would
be sanctioned, lie had no doubt, by the loyal feel-
ings of the country—by every man who would
wish to preserve the community from the cor-
tupt and seditious matter which disgraced these
publication's. Another regulation which he meant

to propose was called for by circumstances. A t
present persons convicted of libel were sub-
ject to tine and imprisioament ; the Bell he in-
tended to bring in would not alter the law in
than respect. but where a person should be
convictec, of a second offence committed after
his conviction fur the first offence. it would
be in that case ;rt the discretion of the Court
to sentence such person to banishment or transpor-
tims fur seven y Nail. This punishment, under
all the circumstances. could not be considered
too great on the individual who, undeterred by has
former punishment, sod regardless of his former
crime, would proceed to give circulation to fresh
libels, and would make fresh assaults on the peace,
the morals. slid the laws of the country. Having,
gone throogli the principle of the Bills, lie would
now say • word on the public lures which Ministers
thought it wise and necessary to call out in order
to give efficacy to the laws. and to strengthen
the hands of the Magistrates--that force was

called nut in • manner the mart efficient, the
least expensive. and riot calculated to awaken ult.
easiness in the breast of the most jealous patriot.
Beyond that force. hopes were entertained that It
would not be necessary to go ; but winch most dew
prod on the tranquillity of the country, wad, im
the loci of Parhainelit to pot down offender*,
mirth most ilepeod no men of property, called, as
they were to stand forward in defetice of the laws
by which that property W.l4~lelrndrd.lt was only
necessary for the Calltitry to led upoll the sithjevi,
to rioter into armed assocnition• in defence of their
common sights, it iris only necessary for the
loyal to do what was dime on former occa.
sinus, and to sheer that if there were ritfeirders
anxious to assail the Constitsition of the comitry,
there were also friends really to defend it.—(l/ear,
hear.)—Before lie should sit down, he would stale
to ilte House the views of InikVerlllnelit :la to there
laws which Ite• now proposed. It was a painful
effort to invade, in any degree, what might he con.
frittered the real liberty of the country. Necessity.
however, rendered it necessary at time' to suspend
the most valuable laws. At the saute time, that he
expressed his disregard of tile calumnies which
were set afloat on farmer occasions. when Aliiiisters
were obltgert to 'impend the Mop,* Corpus Act,.
and regarding. as he did, such a measure as
one of State security, he yet bad great gratili-
CAMP, that that measure oil the prevent occasion
would be dispensed with. With regied to the
low for taking arms from roirpicitnir persons, this
law was meant hut as a local and temporary mem-
sore ; be wished he could apply the same principle
to the law against drilling persons fur military ex-
ercire—he wished lie could also say that the law
respecting inisdenteanors, and rispertiog the
press, were temporary—hut there laws he wished
the House to tendeirtatill distinctly, were intro-
diced without any limitation as to point of time.
If indeed it should appear hereafter that some of
these laWs were inapplicable. it tnight be a question
whether they should remain on the Statute Book ;
hut for the present they must be considered as laws
made fur no temporary purposes. The House
most have seen the fatal consequences of applying
temporary laws on temporary exigencies; they
most have seen how often wicked and designitigs
men waited until these laws expired, or unfit Par-
. liament had adjourned, in order to comm,lire moor
their machinations. He called. therefore, on the l'ar-
;lenient, in its wisdom, to admit such not a►urra as
would strengthen tlte hand of Government, in order
to protect what was valnable 11l the country, and to
put down that spirit of resistance, and loose idle
and injUlialla notions of base and spurious rights
which in better days were unknown to the cootitus
lino of the country. They hail every thing at st ike—
the enemy was reedy to take the held the ino-
tnent the law was relaxed—it was riecessiry, there-
fere, to look their difficulties in tie face. and
to deal with the evil tu an intelligent and energetic
Stray. He would not trouble the House longer, bat,
on the grouorls he had stated, he would mose for
leave to bring in the following Bills Isl. A
Bill for the Pievention of Seditious Nli
edly. A Bill fur the better I:rotation of the
' Press.

Mr. TIERNF.Y said, that he would not for the
present (unacquainted as he was with the POlfit'C')
go into a general argument on the great variety of
matter touched ou by the Noble Lord. fir hail
not the most distant conception when he came
down to the House that night, of molly of the
plans brought forward by the Noble Lord ; yet
he would not discharge his duty were he on
that occasion to sit entirely silent, particularly
as the Noble Lord hail stated that they (the
Opposition) agreed to all the propositions which
he might bring forward. The Noble Lord had
authority to state that they only stated that all pro-
visions which might he proposed might to stand on
the necessity that might be sheen for the introduc-
tion of them. The House of Commons would not
do its duty to entertain any proposition where the ne-
cessity was not clear. He denied that such
necessity appeared—they had nothing before
them. W 5/ the evidence laid before the House
by order of his Royal Highness the Prince
Regent? lie had no hesitation in saying that
a more garbled and mutilated parcel of papers
were never laid before that House. The Noble
Lord had staled that the agricultural part of the
country was loyal and sound—he mentioned the
favourable state of the finances, and the prosperity
of domestic and foreign trade, with the exception of
what suffered by American distress: then why did it
happen, that a country so prosperous should he
called upon to sucriliew all that remained of her
Constitution upon tier altar of her domestic secu-
rity ? Ten thousand soldier., independent of yeo-
manry, were to be called out in addition to the
standing army—rend having such a force, hacked
by such laws as he proposed that Hight, the Noble
Lord would turn round and say the country was in
a flourishing state. Oh ! if the deluded people could
witorss that night's proceeding—if they could behold
their dearest liberties assailed, how clear they would
see the result of all their movements. They might
follow Mr. Hunt, or any other leader—they might
abuse the Whigs; but see the melancholy conse-
quences of their own fully. They were about to be
bound haled and foot—they were shout to endure
the operation of laws which partook more of the na-
ture of an inquisition than the free laws of Englund.
It hail been said that the Whigs were fifty years out
of office—they were—mod behold the consequrieres !
—see to what a pass those who have been in office
have brought the constitution and the country ! As
to the Bill fur taking away the right to traverse in
misdemeanor cases, he would, until unothrr oppor-
tunity, reserve his opinion. As to provision for dis-
arming the people, it wag the right of 1411 Euglish-
man to carry arms for his defence—to use them
improperly was already illegal. 11.141 the pro-
position been submitted to that (loose twenty
years ago, every man in it would protest against
it, ueeculleti for and unsupported so it was. Where,
he asked, did it appear that butitry of armed men
had assembled ? He had not heard that arms were
in the
foundhe with hands ofsbuspicious persons, save I list pistols
were
persons part of Lancashire,
Cheshire, some pert of Scotland, and part of York-
shire, and yet here laws were introduced to of
the entire people of England, and to take away from
them some of their most ancient and most valued
rielste.--CAt this part of his speech, tbe Rt. lion. Gentlemen
was reminded from the ministerial benches of tins save. of tie
Luddites.]—He readily admitted that ha might have, M
some dcg, eel mistaken the case; but wink he admitted ml-

mile defects in the detail on whirls he founded it, be Waisted
on the (fliers! iiiiegeity of his argument. Another point
which lie was bound 140 (.41100004r1, War (he charge of dal.
ling; and here, he owned, ilsat lie nits not prepared for the
statement which had been laid before the M. 0.,, both in the
papers tool in the speech of the Noble land. He owned
that lie did not expect to lase !kraut it oats d, that larger
bodices of torn haul bet•o allotted isightly to nes...Mole 414101 va-
erctse iii, manly. a in the me of anus. w,ebnul any attempt
hying made to prevent then. by the doe enthicement of the
laws. lie w..a1,1. moreover, readily acknowledge, that if
the situation laws owe to prevent sorb drillion.
it was high nose that it sloodd Ira met by stew laws; but
them he 'sushi not he anil.vstuod by that assent, to
his willingness to allow soy new iestrictive nu mum, . swept
one for the riTertual peesentissis of toothily &dime
The loaf consideration which he would toss. li upon cite the
CAA.. of what were called scdithoss lite( loots, and the new
law prop used (Or their restriction aisd wsodiHesuun. Here
hr owned that lie felt yert great d; Ai, oily 11l to.
mho. He did not deny that a ra../. MTht he made out
it wool? be the duly of the Magistrates to jute, frre,
and prevent or disperse a alerting, speciously legal, yet
having a assmertios and turbulent character and tendency in
its ps overshoe.; lon certainly there 'souls! he great difficulty
in moving that the proper mean. for digressing such a
meeting wore these 'used Manchester, tamely, the non.
tart'. He contrasted the rase or the Houslet Moor meeting
wets that of Manchester. to the feistier case the Mayor used
all the psi caul provided be the existing laws, but he
mid sioue lint aloadutely lenssf incventious. To this it
might he anvil I that in no • installer haul those
crowd..s mid apparsisi;y dune. roue meetsup which were
assembled on that suri4hbesit hood prodaced any riot, lior
• soy destruct or leas of properly. In Seedland,
II Ilse &Wale ***** s!y.at:. inlet' into Imp AUDVlrlird for the
purpose of chat were termed their &lilies at ttttt s,
hats ewe.! ilisturbinice or mischief of any sort.
Rut the Noble Lord, takime for granted hods fur which be
01l n d no proofs, and cases of disturbance and danger
whoili isessupput tell by any credible trstin ttttt y or documents,
host come flu ward and proposed measures which were to pre-
vent any mrstines, mikes called by 31,4!0is or Magistrates,
nor any meetings of parishimiers, except such as might be
coostessel by particular officers, subjecting all claims for
mods stierlinge, of course, to the most as bluely disposal of
the preatiliog authorities. !rowel, a law should be granted,
!het, was there an end of that good wholesome spirit of
popular ft-Idiom and principle, under the pm sal influence of
whirl, the coundry had flourished more than ever it would
under the Adosiiii 'nu of the Noble Lord, if he should
live for these one bonfired years to come ; that spirit whirls,
by exercising itself in a hold, mid yet legal and constitutional
way, had perhaps saved the country from disconteut and
domestic turmoils, snore slum any other provision of the
Constiton tttt —which had hem emphatically, nod very pro-
perly called, its top owu existence, and the exercise of the rsnlst
by which it expressed itself, the safety-valve of the Constitu-
tion. This thew was to be done away by the present measures
'I he Noble Lord, professing to lake away a part of the
people's eights for the sake of piolecting the reinaioder, was
shoot to 411.1110 IS subversmii. ur at least a restriction of
all constitutional right whniseseetr. They were nut limited
nicasiores, though tousle:ea on local or temporary necessities,
according to has own admission, which the Noble Lord re-
quired; the, Vti re, nil the contrary, an es ii i ttttt new system,
which would have the effect of doing away with every thing
w hull had hitherto been known, or felt, or declared, respect-
nig the F.i.nlish Cuastii•tion. lie had hoped at the brst
no 'llion of his New mid extraordinary system, that it
woold have contained some terms, or at the least, promise
of conciliation 011. i &yrs...silty for the distresses of the people.
Slut, au; it was in th . usual spirit et the policy of the
Noble Lord and his ft.? 0 do of the Administiation; their con-
staot o I) bad hem, "rs rce;" on all occasions of difficulty
and distress they had elite d mit for more force; 114110, again
they repeated their old demand—force, force, force; no.
thing hot force anti vigour, and extreme effort, apparently
actuated by • device of doing away every thing like the
courinutional right of meeting. Aud did the House be-
lieve that it was nut rely dangerous ground which they were
Then treadling upon, to tell WWII, already fraught with ills.
•nt and wietchednem, and doneerons doctrines and
(visiting, leatiiiin them almost to defiance of their rulers,
from a supposition, nay, an actual knowledge or the up.
pressiuns which they suffered, " Vent *ball have no redress,
our any alteration, but stew, adverse, aud restrictive laws?"
Did the Noble Lord imagine that he would thus be able to
do away the impression which at present weighed with the
majority of the wise and sober men in the country, that
room. change was wanting is the constitution of that House,
by this new application of the old system of coercion so much
in favour with the Noble Lord? The House might he led
to imagine, certainly, that ten thousand men would be all
that was necessary to put down the opinions a loch they dis-
liked, bat the effect would be only to slier that which had
hitherto evaporated in talk mid .hew, in loud speeches, and
blustering parade, into downright rebellion, or what was muck
worse, into resolute and treasonous cow:piracy. The House
might Halter themselves that such measlier+ as those before
them would prove the safest protection for properly, but they
would prove to he nu such security; they could du nothing
that would place properly in more dative than Si. pass the
Bills proposed by the Noble Lord. He next came to consid r
the restraints proposed to be laid on the liberty of the press;
be had 11'81.11y consist( red this subject with Midi atteution ;
he had hero wholly astonished at the shocking and scanda -
lows crimes committed by what was termed the cheap press ;
there ens nothing which he bad ever seen or heard of which
could match in wickedness some of the writings charac-
terised under that name. The Noble Lord had charaed
the Hon. Gentlemen on his (Mr. Tierney's) aide of the
HOOK, with complaints against the too frequent wee of
ax omens informations. They bad made such a complaint
—they had witnessed too many causes for oinking that com-
plaint. But was there sin other course fur a law officer than
that most objectionable and arbitrary one of information ?
Surely such a torrent of pernicious mischief required nu
great legal mottling to treat it properly ; it was nut so kid
either in its operations., its character, or its tendency, but
That the ordinary formai justice would be found sufficient
fur it; no Jury would refuse to fin.' a verdict of
guilty, in cases so iiniliously wicked and dangerous. He
was of opinion, notwithstanding the diffisiltirs attending the
decision of such a question, that the existiog laws were quite
sufficient for the constitutional control of the pens. The
press was besides in very good hands already fur any inert-
larities which it might fall into which might yell be proved
to Ire without the control of the lass, its character was in
the hands of the press itself. It was impossible fur the Noble
Lord to outdo the vigilance of the press in guarding against
its own abuses. He had come down to the Howie with an
earnest hope, and with even aurae degree of coutideoce,
that the Noble Lord would have been moderate in his
demands for surrendering the provisious of the Cuts-
stitution. He owned that he had breve eeceived ; instead of
asking for a part, the Noble Lord bad demanded every
thing; every thing vital its the Constitutton was to be sur-
rendered, or else the House and all who had geone before
them, h ol been in error as to the excellencies of that (Omit-
tot' . Their boasts of its proud character, its many ex-
cellent and liberal provisions, so much 'mooted to the
world, must now all be admitted to have been wrong.—
This, howes•er, he was not prepared to allow ; be objected to
this or any other such inference, founded on the sup-
posed propriety of the Noble Lord's judgment or mea.
sures; be anapetted those measures MI necount of the
source from which they procisedsel. The Noble Lord and
his colleagues could Meant and tan: of nothing else
hut force. Had they never tried their system? Yes,
viten ; from year to year they had beers applying to
Parliament fur fresh moven to apply more force, and next
year they would be found in the atone nerd, demanding
mill usurer fusee fur the support of their Administration--
They would certainly hod themselves deceived ; unless, bi-
deed, their system of force could restore happisests to the
wretched, and probtahle employment to the indigent and
pile ; or unless 111 C Noble Lord was right in Ins estirnatiou
of the commercial difficulties of the country, as it regarded
their extent and duration, and that. as he had affirmed, the
distr.-airs of trade oi se chiefly to be attributed to similar
sulierougs among the Ainslie:lns. Ile until out my exactly
what success Slitostesa wool., loser %slab the ten thousand
tolditioual troops, but it would be very hard, if troops
should be granted to quell sedition and auppost Ills laws,
Villein-err they might ise violated, that new laws also about.'
Ise grouted to shot out the possibility trimly such violative.

But the Nob:e Lord was uequestionals!y rigid ; the
new lass ...mild trouire, as the Noble Lout bad ad-
milted (and it formed the best pomade "minimax.",
ell the isirasur,s), the new laws "mold r• yuue
the ma thousand additional troops is make time, Si
all bearable ; mir indeed dot he (Me. Torso") belt; ye
that kit thousand men would be 'Obi teat for that
purpose. It would be said, that his Isagost.e was ro,4ut,
and that h's llplktuoua as impressed were mleislateil to spread
alum. 11. trained that he did feel alarm, sod that hr was
suitor.. it shook! be generally GIL The ineasuies of the
Noble Lord might pass, and the Constitution, as far as
rigardril any prrnoce of lib►rty or eu1011114.1. sighs, might,
es they would in that cam hi entirely autasdhil; hot h.
honed, before the Constitution J l an expire, a moor:: ra-
re...ion elf public feeling nook, h. matte in ir rely ti,s, n nr•d
pat:isi, its Ilse cottony. He bopriil that the COMM* wool• 1
make tow of its right of overtire, wkije yet. for a little while
it remained, and address the Nom, sdtt. epio.als and re-
monstratices, which should so. surur.uhy o Citrate
feeling of the country upon rhos, he Out but
eat) them dangerous ants tyranaous owe:tom If swots
such application the House should refuse to clam in-
quiry into shim new and anemic laws, slid all the cir-
euinotances upon whirl, it was prupo,e.l to en:let them,
he (Mr. Timni y) did not 'batik that it would be of any
use wlsitever for lisaneelf or soy of his friends to attend
that Moose soy losiger.—/lIMM Ater, from w'..e ore or II •
some side rf the !lease, ender ►hegnl!ern.)—lf the Mo.
Member took bas last expression for a threat of receding, lie
was quite wrung, as it was contra, y to ill his fur. Torrn,y'ri)
habits and *willow to make any such low. %%hat he meant
to say was that if those niessures passed against the muse
of She whole people, expressed both within and without that
House, it would be uhully usi less and improtitable for the
Itlertt.rs of dial HU... 1.0 waste their time, tl•rir to alto,
soil llo.ir forinnrs, In still sitt,inptiog to check a heeilloug
career of malmilmoutairati .... to which no •!forts or 'heir.
could b• any means put a slop. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man, OW 'namely recommending the ifflll.r to adopt sumo
conciliatory memoirs, illelead of the eery rigorous ones of
the Noble Lord, sat down amidst loud. hems.

Lord Carrfroxisott explained. He by no messianic:int to
be understood as aitrilisitoile the commercial distresses of the
country to the commercial distresses of Arne-sit-a. He aas
equally far from suppositist that it would be wrnne In Par-
loniest. to take up the consideration of those distresses, pro-
vided any good could be: ptuduced thereby. Ile was eon.
vinced that those distresses arose from other ramie*, and
must be mi t by oilier remedies ihan and• wlneh hid born sir
could he door lit Parliament. He did not mean that Ante.
fie* alone bad bruneht about those distresses; be mrrely
stated Lis opinion as to what he conceived to be our t their
clones

Lord FOLIKIITOIir heartily joined in the hope rapt.: ssed
by the Noble Lord, " iiist the House would stand by the
Constitution." lie (Lord FOltsforie) earnestly teprated that
hope; he trusted the Muse troald steed by the Constitn.
lion, and nut suffer its sacred pillars, now assailrd Li the
most modicums hands that ever approarlod it, to he tout
away.—(lleor. hear)—l le pnl it to ibc Ilunse if the mea-
sures mow proposed to them were not an open attempt on
the lilwriy of the press, and the rights of lb. Constitution.
The Noble turd had said a great deal about the dangerous
telideury and character of the proceedings of public meet-
ings ; but he would a►k the House, if those meetings he
such objects of dread fo the Noble Lord—if their object
Were not, as it generally had been, to protest against the
memoirs of the Noble Lord's Adniisliatemien ? %%hat would
be the result of the new restrictions "It the liberty of the
press ? The Noble Lord could boast the expeliesice of the
past out this part of hit, From ; he had tried it before, and,
according to his own rbewiate, without (IL ct. M nut
other meaytors of the same coercive nature be tried rho
in vain ?—what pledge had they fur the efficacy of
any new ne f the kind ? Another poi'," full of danger
to the people nod the Constitution was the abolition of ins
Traverse. The Noble Lord had said that it won'tl be diffi-
cult to conceive a ease *here, on a charge of felony,brought
eery shortly lief tc trial, the ease might nut be colleted over
to the next term. The Noble Lord seemed to he wh..lly
igourant of the process. %t hen a comnii.noeat took pl:we
K.rfelon}•, it WO/ spun some charge .lesoly specified and
understood by all the parties corecernell in it It was far
otherwise with n charge of mu d. ineantw, which could not
in every case be legally defined until the ease was consoler-
ed; the patties then bemg informiel metier what charge
they were detained for flint, suit►t be wholly isupre-
parel to meet it. The ear,e of the ringleaders of
the Manchester meeting was strongly in point, they
were &Wired for twelve days before it was announced
to them that they were to be tried for 'sigh treason. How
should they be prepared u. meet such a change in the short
time before', that and the County Assisi.% ? The Noble
Lord had talked of his kindoess in the noolificatiou of the
measures before the House. The Noble Lord did nut pro-
pose them out of any thing but kiii.lowea and regard. It
was from kindness, uu doubt, that he did not propose a
Ceirsurship of the press; it was from pure kindness that lie
did not put an end to Trial by Jory.—(Load there, ;
lir (Lord Fielkstritie) did hope, howreci, fur a mat
stubborn opposition to the new measities, both is. and
oat of Porlisment. Ile next commented uo thew knowbg..l
locality of the disturbances and the generality'of the
sures. Ile particularly required the attention of she Hooye
to this part of the subject. He did not believe the NA!,
Lord's statements; but those disfoi bailees whirl, he ►rod
rhscribed lie admitted at the same tone to he partial, lira ,
and temporary; and yet upon these local and temporary eti—
turhanees the Noble lord proposed general nod pet mment
measures, which would almost abrogate the Constantin,'
His Hon. and Learned Friend had mill lost for the...
years past the press had abounded in plitilirations
proposals of assassination, treason, and irreligion. t.)., be-
ing asked why he did not prosecute dom. his Hon. no!
Learned Friend replied, 'bat he was unwilling ton htedily to
impute crimes to individuals without-certain mid ronviciing
proof. With these were to be considered the rover:flier, of
tier meeting,. of the North. They wore .aid to be full oaf
dangers; and so far hod the Magistrates twee, alann•ii
their increase and peril, that they had repeatedly begged of
the Minix for leave to interrupt 111.1! !WI a Slur In Omen.
And why sat: a stop not put to them? Every thing Irene
to prove that there was no wish to pot a retop uu them. It.
would not immediately declare that it way so, but he thouglit
that there was strung interim, evidence of a miuoterial e.•.
sign, in the arrest of Hunt, to work tiw mob into a ferment..
which wss to have given the nail. plea for she measures
before lb. in. There seemed to be an anxiety to tel oho,:
turbulent mediae proceed until Alineders could safely peo-
'pow their present measures. Ile strongly hoped for their

The S AAAA ra wag about to pnl the quectiun, and Rh-auger!.
were ord...d au •othdraw, whets

Mr. BILOUSINAM rose, not, all he said, fur the piirpiise or
raising any unusual obstacles to the isstrisolutt. of Cie
Noble Lord's Bills, nor to express, his own hostility to theet
in full, hitt for the pui pow of •tiling why be did not sews
the House to divide un the hist wading. He agreed wiiii
most of the abstract propositions wills which the No.ita
Lord accompanied the Bills ; but the splits w which thee•
were proposed, the character of the measures tlittoselvc,
the impertiviiins of the details, and withal so hit:. [odor
known of the precise nature and extent of Isis Lorsisliii,-•
new plan, all these induced him at once to ilo•
sures and to feel anxious to ascestaiii Ilu lc chai
lie writhed to learn how far the Noble Lord's plan of mot tee
mill paring slow,, districts and parishes, was likely to aftect
the good old English and constitutional rights of pu'il•e
assemblies. At present hu ilid not know also they it ',tithed
to tnrehugi in duo)°, tie Well a. 0111; WI). ilieT or 114/t
ble meetiugs were metalled in its molishitions--and if a
pour snail would be alloweel to go out of his parish to
bestow his mite un an object in a mighlunii mg pa. salt, Ile
lamented that the Right Huts. Presiders of the Board of
Control was nut in !lit place, to answer fur himself. Ile
was afraid that ilte Noble Lord's measures struck at that
Right flonoursside (Italie-mail in ois small digite. fie
(Mr. Calming) had been known to steeled sueetines
shove g))))) below (resold in different parishes,
its different ram, in different collative, in Lareaalstre sod
is, Liverpool. Again, were cenvemear meeting. sinew:
the prohibited bur.? Awl Moir id tereeMbeix sod
100 papaluita priitieb--bere they to be cot down
into manageable portions? Anil if some beldam. Online
should apposeh the extreme emillits rf boy parish, fur the

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purpose of address' ug the inhabitants of the adj..iiiing, would
he Su daeger of the mew essachneots. even tfinugh he
shodld keep his own boundary ?—(Lossd 'hurt )—For the
purpose of enderstandiegihe Noble Lord', very anspicious
and oar stionable melt •s, he implored hie Hon. Friends
he tidal him to allow the Nuhie Lord to proceed use step
%ore and to iptroiluee his Bala, and do fiery thing in their
•psioes to stop them at their seems.] reashog, if after the Nest
they should he eouemeed that they were rosstrnrY W Ithise
soissid Euglivh principles which had hitherto been Poetess-
folly though with difficulty permed. As to the !sherry
of the perm, hr admitted the possibility of a ease where
fresh remora-sots might Ise jostly called for. flat it was
not among the least of the preliterate against the new
mesukures, Ord while they tended to shackle, curb, sod de-
.ngate the (sir and resiwciable part of the press, they did
...thing to restrain the foul suit liseentiossa part of it. He
resrrtrd hiptself, bowtvrr, fur (miller isbeervatiwns on the
serotol reading.
Lord ItaNcLigeg was nit in the habit of speaking hot
vetmg. Nisch, however, was his horror of She present met-
that he cestainlv ahtrulil have .divided the Nnoae spun
the 6.14 reeding had it nut been for the request of his
Honourable and Lrarutdcriend.
The Hon. G Lasts was anxious that a scintilla of comfort
...mild go forth to accompany the horrible measures time
proposed fur fettering the people. He was miaow.' to know
then, from the Noble Lord. if it was intended to continue
Lie present practiCe of Imildieg criminal informations sus-
resided over the beasts of writers as heretofore? 'fu this Ike
sus-
resided %leather 'redirect no reply.
The calks y was then cleared for a division, which did net,
loverver, tyke place.
The Bills were read a &rod lime, sod ordered to be read a
. sassed time on Thursday, after which the Roses adjoereed.

St. ASOREW.—HoIidRy at the flask, Exebegiaer, East
India, mad !tooth Sea ftsaisea.

TI-114. BR PRESS.

LONDON,
TUESDAY, Noviasta so, wig.

Last night the promised exposition of the mea-
sures contemplated by Ministers for suppressing
14 tclition stud libels, was made in the House of
Lords by Lord SIDMOHTH, and in the House of
))))) 111414 by Lord CASTLEREAGH. The Bills
prcipused are five. One imposes a stamp duty
upun all publications, excepting religious tracts,
:And such works, consisting of fewer than a cer-
tain number of shuts, the number nut being
yet specified. A second subjects persons con-
victed a second time of a political libel to long
►mprisonment, banislimeat, or transportation, at the
-discretion of the Court. A third compels all
printers and publishers of works contemplated in
the first la* to enter into securities, himself in a cer-
tain sum, and two sureties, that in the event of con-
victim' resort might be had to a responsible person.
A fourth prevents public meetings not convened
by the regular constituted authorities from bring
held, unless notice of such intended meetings,
s:gued by seven householders, be given to the Ma-
gistrates of the district, parish, or township in
which ►t is to be holden, six days previous to the
meeting, and also renders it unlawful for persons
to attend the meeting who are not usually resident
within the parish or township in which such
Meeting is held. A .fifth, which is by far the moat
importune and dengeroos, empowers Magistrates,
upon information or suspicion. to enter any man's
house to'search for arms, and seize them if found,
trig% the person suffering such domiciliary visit a
•tight of appeal to the Quarter Sessions. Of these
Bills three were read last night a first time in the
House of Lords, and two in the House of Com-
Ammo.

Previous to Lord SIDMoUTH'S exposition, the
Loan CHANCELLOR introduced a Bill for taking
away the right of traverse in all cases of misde-
inesitur. The loble Lord declared that this Bill

no reference whatever to the present state of
the country. Its object is to prevent the defend.
is from postponing trial in indictments for mis.
cietrettor.

!Jealous were presented last night,--in the
Iliaut•e of Lords, ftom SAIdUEL HANFORD, and in
C,e (louse of Commons, from HENRY HUNT. de-
u i nog the truth of the allegations contained in the
papers laid upon the tables of both Houses, relit-
i,.g to the internal state of the country, and offering
to cl:sprove them by evidence at the bars of the
Houses respectively.

Paris Papers of Friday last hare arrived at our
Office. The Moniteur contains a Royal Ordinance,
dec!sring that Count Geonceir war comprised in
the amnesty of the lid' of January 1816, and that
be is restored to the rights, title., rank, and ho.
'lours, which he enjoyed ou the 19th of March 1815.
The health of the King of FRANCE is so fully
re-established. that his Majesty was enabled on
T:ivriday to enjoy his usual airing. It was expect.
ed that he would open the Legislative Session in
perfon yesterday.

• Tk.t. 5 per Cents. on Thursday were 6s 1. 70 c.—
Bank Stuck 1.460 f.

Flanders and Dutch Mals have arrived. with
Papers from Brussels to the 26th instant. The fol-
lowing intelligence. respecting South Americo. is
the Duly interesting part of their contents:—

tatir, savannas 13.

The frigate ',bid lately arrived at Cadiz from Liana has
brought dispatches from the Viceroy of Peru. They have
not lei been puhlished in the Madrid Gazette, and it is pro-
bable they wall not he. The following are at reports in
circulation 0111thill subject
The Viceroy has assembled near Lima all history, to meet
the Munn which threaten Peru. Oa the one hand thews' y
of Chili threatens to cross the mountain, and to penetrate
by the country inhabited by the Antiocaum, a warlike rocs of
mountaineers, •to have promised to defied their frontiers,

bet when iisteulluosattelwrever seepteled. Oa llbsotbrr BauDl
bud, the wit arimassme. commaisded by Lard Cadres% Como