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piny had engaged for, of 441. per ti 4..
stsect to the change of opparssiou, so far *41416
Company from being guilty of such. that sliey•aind
permitted the private merchant to rietieneite
their cotton bark, though not obliged t., it, and
this to their vary great injury. Without elf. 44444 -
radius the various articles allnded to. lie nowtd
venture to say, they could all be fully raki,...red,
when the proper time aunt, but this was out that
time. The papers ago* called for, lie co:molest-0 a,
onneeessary,• inasmuch as they had must ut•thsm
been already printed. lf, however, the House
should be of opinion they should he graated, lie
would not persist in his opposition to their pro-
duction.
Mr. CRESTST was rather against the motion, on
the ground that the subject of the private trod.:
was, together with other subjects relative to the
Company, at this time under consideration before
a Committee of that House, of wltlch he himself
was a Menisser. He was not besides lunch inclined
to sympathize ill the complaints of trade'', alien
witnessed the dethroning of :old the
• turniniv of kingdoms, us ludic. suffered to pass
; and he could not avoid regreltimr, that
when the Court of Directors charged the Niaiiiptis
tVellwitey with disobedience of their oider•, en
u.n 'tells had been taken by that House to institute
into the subject.
Mr. Dunn.. observed, that the butane.* of the
Marquis Wellesley had been, in fact, before the
House, rod they had come to a decision on it.—
With reenact to Use Moti.,u, tilt subject of it was
now artieilly under the coiisideretion of a Commit-
tee: at the .:one time tie had a difficulty iu oppos-
iiiz it ; as most of the papers lied been already
pr:teed. When the E.i.t holm Company came to
that House tnr a renewal of their Charter, which
intAlit•be next year, or, verity*, not sootier :lima
tier eras, tfnu would us the time for en I..vesti-
gation of all their enucerns; at present he did not
consider hixisea at liberty to decide on the subject,
Imi Tie time he would he prepared for it. If,
Isiimi the whole. the Hun. Gent. cOrvaalerett the
production of these papers absolutely necessary, lie
should n.a oppose it.
Mr: W A u.scs wen adverse to the motion. He
considered the conduct of the merchants as
uurmt-
acicatiou-. who, as match, would have their goods
cooveyed at 41 freight of 141. pe. Lou, and yet. the
very seine men. as shipsowners, let theio's to the
Company, at JBI. or 201. per ton. and higher rates.,
Mr. PitCIIIIIPF.IIII&AGT replied to the arguments
weed isy Mr. Grant against the motion.
After a few
,words frnet Mr. tia.ts r. Mr done
CUNT. and Mrd Pant Moots. the Sreex.:e
t.L..;•.ttred of the Hon. Movers whether the first pa-
per in his list was among these which had been
before ordered ;o be printed as is that ease it was
contrary to the practice of the Hosed to order it to
be again pri:.tetl.

Mr. Pa.LIM:ROAST was not certain of it; and,
upon the suggestion of Mr. ouNDA4. with.lrew his
motions till he should aacertain such of the papers
us lcul been before witited. amid such a. had not;
in order to hia moving the printing the latter.
Mr. STEVENS, its purautioce of a previous notice.
moved—
" That there be 16'11 Were the Neese, as seemed of the
whom natakr of His Modesty's 'sad LTC, employed is
the eutuisest of Hastiaique, olissiseeisbiew the rusher of
lhoroopeoni from 'Rd of the lined teals employed Ins the
mai act vice."
He stated, aF his motive for to 'king this motion.
that he wished to brim; under discussion the sub-
stance of the proclamation which had beets named
our Commander, on the capture of that island ;
'illicip he said, +us unjust and i,w'wnfwr, .kts
threatening the slaves with Is trios! by a militso
tribu.i ii, if they ree.:.tel our ant isuuulty, hr eirtSl'4 lu
their d:fritcr. Thi. be compared to the violent
decree. of Botiaparte ; and, without any dispoadios,
to press upon the gallant commander* of our forces,
it did mem tp him necessary, since the papers had
found their way upon the table. that the subject
eittnild ensue before the House. in order that they
might know whether or not Ministers countenanced
each proceedings; fur, it they did, it was disco.-
ragitig that species of tirce tweet which we Owe
rely-for our security in the West Indies.
Lord CASTLYRRAOH said, that this matter had
already attracted the attention of Goveruinent, for
when the Proclamation was sent to this cauntry.
all felt it their duty to call for esplar.ation, tom!
to state to the Commanders, that they cool ' mut
temente approhation of the cateduet that ha,t been
adapted. it hovrever appeared, that if that Proelas
oration had iSerll acted upon. it moislal have been
out of humanity to the *laves who were homed alnl
custwellesl to bear arias by their masters. When
it should appear that they hod retell by on4er of •
their masters, no species of eoutishinent could at-
tach to them. A 10101.4... he thought that this mat-
ter could not Stiant of the interpretation the Floss.
Member put upon it. yct he could have,uoohlec-
tion tv the pruidoctioti called for, as it would ap-
pear that Government hat used every menus to
procure ilifortniation, and to Kermit any' et con-
sequel:vet artsiug from the Peticlautations issued.
Mr. Vtudeas thought. that after what hail al-
ready been experienced from the resistance of the
slaves in St. Domingo, it must be °brit-at, that :my
proclamation to preveet the slaves being trolly of
similar excesses elsewhere. must be highly approm.
ad of.
Mr. BYttuso said. it was his opinion, Cy,: it woe
absolutely necessary to employ humpy:to ttoups sum
the West Indies; and that if ever 411 ill .I:l'rectuos,
should occur in Jamaica. and a black regi.ieit eon
the insurgents, it would he uo swore in the power of
this country to aisblie them, than it had bee.,
in the power or France to subdue St. Ifumingu.
lie had no objection to the motion, although he
did led exactly see the utility of it ; mei he thought
it would he better to leave the matter entirely to
Governmelit.
Mr. iltirtitieents said, he thought it was of
great impunities+ to the country to Initie, in d-
u' ter under discussion, es he egreed with the lion.
ltdever is detesting that species of conquest wleeh
was so much Declaimed against its regard to our
eiteinies the French. He approved of the intitiott,
and ona.happy to end the Piolile Lord did 'eta
rx-
press any approbation of the cooduet that hall bwrai
adopted by the Commanders ou oyeastou of that
cungnest.
Adr. 'having, &Klieg that Goverauscut were di,-


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limed to ittleed .0 Ibis matter, ageetd tO *ithdrali
his loos
• ksxrii IN PARLIAMENt
011 the motion of !!IrCueWitei the Nouse re.•
annwil thevansideretion of the. hall, by grove; again
sot.. a Catoosi!trr to tioa•oos
The Cu %xi ia.t.oa of the Excesmuelt said, he
wad sia ameielineist to propose, es he had formerly
suggested, for the purpose of ifielsiding the traffic
or arab; for nffi es, us 'sell as fur money, us flint ap.
peered to ..ereral Gentlrantii to be a necessary ob..
jeri. He however thought, that some different
posvision was requisite in regatta to these two Linde
or misdemeanours; he should propose that in the
clause declaring the traffic fur money a mit-
drineasionr, the words tt sApress or implied."
should be introduced ; but in regard to uffis es, they
could net, with propriety, coact to the same ex-
; for others must be bestowed, otherwise the
!midis: business could sit be curried on. It would
ne unjust, therefore, to imply, that offices were
given 4.sr corrupt purposes. The Right Hoe. Gen-
tleman titto tort/lotted, in the first place, les 38404141-
UWIlt upon the money clause, which being put by
the Chairman,
Mr. TIERNEY said, he midst not conceive any
moon why the muse proeisiou bholll4l tint he used
in regard to the giving offices. as hi regard to the
giving of nioary. It would be allowing an exclu.-
sive monopoly, in regard to the bestowing of saves.
while it prohibited morn strictly the at uwesey
acid if the Bill pissed through the Committee with
such. a provisiou, hr should miles-winds vote
siaainsit it. Thy Treasury might thus give offices
tirst to some of their frieuds, who might give them to
thawe who hail itifluence in elections. et bough the
object in view by the Bill was in gener.sl to ;sweets'
the sale of -eats in Parliament. There could he nu
danger ia. leaving these transactions to the deter-
tuireition of a jury. His obje-t would be to snake
three distinct brandies ito this eicum ; TN, filSt to
resider it a niiskletneasiour .141 May. person to traffic
for a seats—secondly, a misilenossatesrm any Mem-
ber pros a ring himself • o retdrnedi-sond thi tiny, ell 1,-
jeettng the person receiving the bribe to the restor-
ation of it, besides the payineut of the stirtdated
penalty of seed. Upon the whole. he 'ratio. t to s.a.
the words expressed Or implied introdnewd tat, all
parts of the traasaciiou, otherwise the Bill' could
not have a beneficial ttfiset.
The CHANCELLOR of' the EXCHEQUER still per.
sated in supporting Ilse clause as &mewled. for he
tholught the leaving the transactions as to offices to
the construction of a Jury. would be to deprive
the /louse of some part of its pi ivileges. There
could be um case where au office itea given, which
Jury might not dud to/premed or implied us he-
lug a bribe for a seat iu Perltasnent, It would
be layisig a trap for every :ileinber of the I louse,
were such matters to be consumed by implication.
lf, however, the word implied were ot, st teal to its re-
gard to offices, he shoubl think it were better to
use only the word tt exporssed," in regard to both
money add offices.
Mr. Thames, expressed Isis astonishment that
the Night Hon. Gentleman could Auppow ;
jury could imply any corrupt
existed, when st was ws well known to he 51 duty
of a jury to ascertain, by evidence, what was rent
and what was wrong. He was still satisfied there
was no necessity for separating the provisions as to
emery from those as to offices.
Th.: CHANCELLOR of the Exciter:Mee said, that
the only parson to be turned out of Parliament
was the persoss who had purchased the seat ; he
who bad gives' It was liable to a penalty of 5001.
Mr. Possciase objected to the Bight Hots.
Gentleman's propmation upon another principle ;
Jae objected to the distinction which it went to is raw
between an express and an implied controet. the
effect of which would be to render the provisions of
the Bill a mere delusion. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman's proposition denied any julioliction to a
Committee or a Courtof Law, unless au actual ex-
pressc.irrupt agreement could be proved; so that let
the inferrnetuf such corruption he ever so strougly
established, and the minds of the Judge and the
Jury ever so completely satisfied of the offence' it
could not he punislutd. This he tlicught highly ob-
jectioaable. With respect to the penalty a Aor 5001.
he did not think that the House would do.its duty
if it did tint snake the offence a misiletneauour.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the observation just made 'Mewed him the necessity
lithe clause. It had been stated, that in conse-
quence of his proposition, a jury would be nbligeil
to acquit, unless evideure of an express contract or
agreement could be adduced. This, he was of
opsasett, eight to he the ease. It was ,actually nes
owes" to snake such 84 provimon, unless they wished
to prevent the giving Of offices to relations or
friends. Somebody should lot appeinted to office
it was true, but then it would be inquired why was
A. preferred to B.? and it ...mid i.e difficult to ex-
plain that. unless by follosiiiig tip the ytsablications
that led to the prrferenc,.. It was to guard against
charges df this' nature that lie had Sug.,:ested his
amendment.
Mr. TIERNEY said. that if they determined that
an express agreement should be proved, Si, Trea-
sury *mild be absurd enough to come to en express
agreeinesit ; so that the evil would 'lot be reineChed.
It was calculated to screen the Treasury. The
Right Ho!' Cleittlenta.l wits wilfin4 to adopt the
words, as applied to money ; hat lie (Mr. T.) was
desirous to extend them to offices also, as he did
not see ativ realm% for the ,exceation.
Lord a Perry said, that if one course was to
be tor;:iiden. and another permitted. they might
depend tipon it the course permitted would be the
fIll! adopted. Every nue of the corrupt trails-
nettpas that had been perfortzied were without any
express agreement, and they would still consume
to be trausucted in the 8.11188. may. If u jury was
out competeut to decide upon a (vocation of lila-
pheatiou, what Would become of the administration
of I.lw jn the country? An implied egreernesst. he
emacmlud, was as capable of proof as au express
one.
Mr. W. Weems said, it waa well known that
inane voters, though they received molting for
ILar .4ctusl vet", uWititit 41 Are embroils/or shaving ,
the airfare', or some such set. Re objected that
there wax co prorision made for the ptinishru-ot
of a person whoasurchased a seat for another, with-
-out soy emoluelent to himself.
..aig.thais did not disapprove of the hos
sod legitimate apalteatteti of money to
ess-
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