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By Mr. SMITH,
Y, the 12th of Jitiv, at Twelve
ns an acceptable utter iq made M
Contract,
Reputed Manor of KlL-
rights and immunities beloogiAg
ganii o ii -liotise, offices, two coact•
10f 4ei ; spacious garden, orchard.
bui dings; with upwards of Ciddi
tirri., and ernoid land, and a sites?-
, in a delightful situation and fine
with game ; four mile.' (rum
iralthain, eight from Winchester,
the county og Hants ; rum in the
I, E•/, at a low clear rent of GOOL
quit in out year, if the Preprimot

rotate.
f the tenant, and Pard ulan had,
5.11., of the Prottert of the liatnp-
aPh at the White liars, Salit•
; Swan, Alton; Anch.n, Peters-
George, Wh.tehwcht White
and of Mr. Small, it, Sfottif-
vtge.

lEORGI DAVIDSON, No Si.
Ws, and published by JOSINIi
No. 1,, gait of St. Clement,"
'Crafor the Pape,ltvaa)

A:A(II'AL FREEHOLD FARM, NEAR DOVER, KENT.
(EXONERATED FROM LAND TAX).
TO FF. SOLD BY AI;CTION,
At the Royal Oak, in Dover. on 11IESDAY next, the IRO
Instant, &thin OClocie in the Everting, unlvir before de•
ptserl of by Private tontraCt,
ALL that Messnage, or Tenement, or Farm,
railed GREAT W %Tries END. with rood Rani.,
Stink,, Lodges, a Loge, substantial nt w ercl,d Two Cockle
HOP OAS I, and cotnplete stowazo ; three nnv built CO E-
T AGES, and s-veral pares or p.l-,els 01( Land, Arab.', Mea-
th*. Pastore, Clop Ground, and Wood Land, thereunto bas
'wiring, the principal part of winch is nearly in a Ring Vence,
a•id the other I.ands are conti4tinus thereto, et:Mai:ins tn.
"ether in the whole, by estimation Sto Acres ',no., or legal.
situate, I7ing, and hein in the several Padslies of Ewell and
Ledden, in the County of Kent.
The 'Lulli.., Lamis are in a high state of Cultivation, and
the PastereLarnK in good condition, and ate now in the oc-
cupation of die Pmpriet,r
The tf.9 tir..und, which consists of Fifteen Acres, is hi he
most fl .itatr, is nearly sunounded by a plantation of
thrtinte Trees, trod usually very productive.
Toe Enate .a shout Three. Miles from Dover, rid ad
Suns to the Turnpike Road leading to Ca.atertnny.
The Buildm'eate sh in complete repair; Pnsse.sian may he
bad on next Miells.lmas, and the Steck, and 11,1,4.1'10 Uten-
sils, may, if required, be taken at an Aprrakement.
Finns!" pertictilars may be had or file,..rs Eleas-late. and
Alevander, SOL:anis, Mew lan, Londe.% and in Mt limscker,
At ousel atLaw, Dover.


ingly.
Lord AUCKLAND took the opportunity to give
notice that he intended, before the Order of the dey
should he entered upon, on Monday next, to submit
a Motion to their Lordships, that the farther proceed.
ings in the Committee on the ease of Mr. Justice
Fox should be postponed for two or three months,
meaning, that it be postponed until the next Session
of Parliament. He thought it but fair and candid
to give this previous notice, thregh pethaps he may
be warranted by order, to move it on the very day
of such his determination.
Lord HAWIESBURY was of opinion, that,
under the circumstances of the case, the Noble Ba-
ron ,itght then so.stasa seam geseral ground or ma-
son on which he was induced to propose such a blo-
tinn. For his pert, in every view of the case, parti-
cularly on three general grounds, first, that of the
cStaraiter ar.d jastice of Parliament secondly, with
a view to the administration of justice in Ireland ;
and, thirdly, with a reference to the charaler and
situation of the individual himself ; it was incum-
bent on the House to titoceed with the investiga.
don, and to make as
4teat a progress therein as they
possibly could, this Session. So deeply nes he im-
pressed with this sentiment, that be proposed, so at
least was at present his fixed intention, to introduce
a Bill for the purpose of contieming the proceedings
the nevi. Session of Parliament. The Noble Secre-
tary of State referred to some minor considerations.
which should induce their Lordships' application
without deity, particularly the great addition:a ex-
pence whicn would be incurred to several of the par-
ties, were the proceedings immediately po apuned to
the next Session.
Lord AUCKLAND, in explanation., adduced, as
his principal ground, the little prospeft that obtain-
ed, not only of not getting through the investiga-
tion during the present Session, but of even making
any considerable progress in it.
Lord BOLTON begged to offer a few words on
the occasion. There was no doubt but that the obs
4eB of all their Lordships was to obtain sbstantial
Justice, and with the least possible expence to the
parties. The first and most important end could
best be induced by their Lordships' paying a regular
and uninterrupted attention to the case. In that
point of view, he was, upon the whole, inclined to
think, at least as it at present occurred to his mind,
that the best way, and the earlier the better, would
untildefer the farter consideration of theca,.
he nest Session, hwhen they could attend to thi
business without interruption.
Lord HAWK ESBURY shortly explained.
The LORI) CHANCELLOR, in the course of
his calling their Lordships' attention to certain parts
of the judicial business of the Hause, stated his in-
tention to move, on Monday, for the attendance of
the Jodges, respelling the delivery of their opinions
on the important Appeal Cause of Thellessons and
Thellussons.
STIPENDIARY CURATES' 81t.1..
The Order being read for their Lordships' going
into a Committee on this Bill, the House accord-
ingly resolved into the same, Lord Walsingham in
the Chair.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, previous to the
diseussion of any particular clause, addressed the
Committee at considerable length, principally tele-
tive to the nature and effea of many of the leading
provisions of the Bill. These were, in many points,
lie observed, susceptible of various amendments, se-
veral of which were necessary to the due under-
standing of the Bill, or to thecoosistent and salu-
tary execution of the measure. He considered the
provisions to be principally defetlive with regard to
the powers meant to he given to the Bishops there-
in. The Noble and Learned Lord was proceeding ;
when
Lord AUCKLAND rose, not expressly to

plarateon.
The Earl of SUFFOLK expressed his cot dial ac-
quiescence in the principle of the Bill. Ile was con-
vinced of its salutary tendency so mod:, that he
thought it would be proper to pass it this Se.sion,
even with some of its imperfations. Of some de-
tailed considerations in the measure, he disappriirid,
particularly the multiplication of oaths, and esve-
cially as they were applied by the Bill.
The Earl of BRIDGW ATKR, in a detailed
point of view, adverted to some difficulties which for-
bly struck him : with repeal to the proposed valua-
tions, it was well known, that in tae northern pacts
of the kingdom, the tythes were subje4l to a new va-
luation every year. In that case, the great aliena-
tions and advances in the prices of corn, of late
years, would present a rather serious difficulty.
'1 he Bishop of ST. ASAPH delivered his senti-
ments upon a variety of detailed considerations. in
the Bill, most of which loudly called for rectification
and amendment. On this head, he cordially agreed
with some of their Lordships who had spoken in
the Committee. Upon the whole, greatly as he
had the Bill at heart, convinced, as he was, of its
salutary tendency, he would rather the BM was lost, '
than that it should pass with its present numerous
imperfeitions. In the course of his speech, the
Learned Prelate adverted to several provisions of
the Bill, which struck him as presenting a chaos of
contradiaions, as absurd, inefficient, injurious, and
derogatory to the digray of the clerical charaaer ;
and, in some instances, tending to degrade the
Bi.hops. In what he said, he meant not the slight-
est reference or allusion to the coniluft of his
Reverend brother (the Bishop of London) upon the
occasion. He well knew the purity and benignity
of that Reverend Prelate's motives for coming for-
ward ; these weir evinced by the Bill introluced by
his Lordship for the purpose, in a former year ;
which was widely different from that at present un-
der consideration ; and, in some pints of view,
formed a striking contrast to it.
The Bishop of LONDON entertained, in some
points of view, a very different opinion of the pre-
sent Bill from the Learned Prelate who had last
spoken ; neither could he consider the provisions ad-
verted to as a chaos of contradiaimas. He vindicat-
ed his own motives in coming torwaid, and adverted
to the history of former Bills on the subjeß. He in-
tended to have provided for what was proposed he
the present Bill, by a clause in the Resi.tenee 11.11;
that was disapproved of at the time, and a sera:ate
Bill recommended. In supporting the present mei-

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HOU:A: OF CI.);SIMOS.
Mr. BALDWIN brought up the Retort a
relating to t..a. 'roll. of the Grand Cram hit Ins
lead, andmilered to Vie on the Ted, c.
The rice.o.o.l reading of the Parliamental
was deferert until Tuesday next.
The second rood nr of the Woollen Clot:
Woollen Manufactueers Saspw.niion Bul,
Monday next.
A Me.sage from the Lards i.tfceeted Co?
Loirdshins had ogree•l to the Pont Re•iel C
ieveral Private Rd s. Their f.rmia,i•.. al*, i I
that the:. had given permission t.. Eatl St
the Contorntter ut tae tio.oo of to:ottnltton., 111
of Ow Romney anJ tatt:ilnd 'h.,; •o!' oat w•
I.,,nltlt:p should think fit. The Mosque i
(louse, that their Lorit.h.ps not hsvine tier
formed of the gmands on which toe Finer
tendance of the Lord President of the Cot
Buckinghamshire, and Fart S. Vine it, to
fate the Committee to which the Eltvtotat I
Imisioners of Naval tasty' ry raw.; Ic tr. Ce
wit: neferred, their Lordship Tesui red fir
thereon.
lionLi motion of the .kTTORIEY Gr.,.:.
The SPEAKER &rotted the M wengi
Lealsoi,s that the House smolt tend an au
t.; thc.r own.
1,1 GLENBERVIE renvoi for leave
amend ao Ae appertoining i, toe Gummi
' dempt,nn of the Land Tat. •Itic'i v..- .irri
th,„The House,4povrertnatalin,to • C
and te:nria.,,i2vee .04 th
...ic
Monday next.
The NI .niers Bill wa. mad 1 o.lld till
clauses and emendnienu went int-odor:l.k
the Bill was passed.
A Member, whole name we did net h
he woul,l, ton Friday neat, b. iig twined i
• tion rel•rive to Inland.
Toe H.,.,,e 'atilt Into a C..,1111..,fre tilX)
Bit, and ,he Report ordered t . be imerriee
r 1:e litthsltent Milt.ao*-ers maim
o.cle-ed to he read a second hole op,litn&
The tottnl reading of %toe Piise Court I
ltolnnot-n. neat.
D.T.:•C•.,modeees of Supply and Wvlrti
ported tat Monday. wAysii;ol
1/,..n the Motion of Mr..
' the Fi.h Boost' Rill was ...del..
' eideraton no Montt. neat. . . .,
. ' Colwiel CR AW /SYR D. trjoi, 414 kill!
s.
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of lbw strength of the kfrny, which had been laid en the
Tkw,wrre net made not as he carpeted, and by 'spans
astiefaYtory. He therefore moved, Ilitt there be lard before
the House, • return of the effinnYe strength ofylie loyal Gar.
.yison Veteran Battalion, on the lit of May, IEOS, which was
tiordeivil seeon ply.
The further ci•itsideratiwn of the Report of the Committee
tippet the Idea Man BO was deferred till Eriilay newt.
The Froclith otters Bill. the Militia Sob.
*Berns. Aiio7/311CP Bill. tit, Irkh Militia Pry Bill, the Irish Pa-
per Duty Bill, and the Militia Adjutants' Alluttaoce Bill, were
severally read a third time., and lugged.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice, that he
would, on Tuesday next, bring forward a motion
On the subjea of two Commiseions in Ireland. The
one relative to the Commissioners of suffering Loyal-
ists, and the other, the Commissioners, for soaking
restitution to persons holding offi:es, e'hich were
extingnished by the Ae of Union.
Colonel CRA VsTFO RD postponed his intended
motion on the State of the Army, from Monday to
Tuesday next.
CHA3GE AGAINST THE MINISTER.
NiIr.WIIITB READ—" I rise, Sir, in consequence
of the intention I signified at the time I gave notice of
drawing the attention of the House to the Report of
the Seidl Committee on the Tenth Report, for the
purpose of moving certain Resolutions respelling
the condua of the Right lion. Gentleman opposite
me (Mr. Fitt), as far as he was concerned with the
transaftions referred to in that Report. Though
no Member of the Committee concurred with me,
and though the Right I-Inn. Gentleman wished that
I shotild bring forvdrd this part of the subject pre.
elously to that on which the House has already de-
cidez_l, I hope he will now acquit me of any unneces-
sary delay. AU that I mean to propose on the oc-
casion is, that there should be a record of this trans-
action on ow journals, in order that such irregullari-
th-s may not in future be drawn into precedent; and
I hope the Right Hon. Gent himself will allow, that
it would be disagreeable to him, should he live to
witness some future successor of hi., own doing the
same things. and with the same itregularity, per-
haps, en less justifiable grounds. If that then be
the oniy objea of what I mean to propose, I am
induced to think that any Hon. Gentleman, who
might have intended to propose different resolutions ;
eounter-resolutions, I have taken care, they cannot
Move from mine ; will now abstain from doing so,
and much mere do I ex pea, that they wal not at-
tempt to negative them, merely because they arc
mine. On a former occasion, I charged the Right
Hun. Gentleman on strong suspicion, that on the
Bth of April, he knew of these trans:aliens, of Navy
money having been drawn from the Bank, for pure
poses not naval ; ai•tl it now turns out, upon evi-
dence, and upon Lis own admission, that l e:11 very
far from :eying, nor have I the slightest suspicion,
that he was a participan r with those who lodged the
money in a private hank ; hat I do say, that in the
year 1797, he knew of its having been done ; and it
seems very extraordinary to me, that he did not put a
stop to it; and I think it still more extraordinary, that
he did not do so from the regard he must be supposed
to have had for the honour of Viscount
who was his colleague in office, and in private his
intimate and confidential friend ; but, however sin-
gular that may appear, I repeat that I do not con-
sider him to have arced with any flagrant or sinister
purpose whatever. On another occasion I was com-
pelled by ray duty to say some very harsh and dis-
agreeable things in regard to Viscount Melville. I
assured the House at the time, that I did it pain-
fully, and with reluaance ; and the hest proof t can
now give themof the sincerity of that assurance is
to aisstain from doing so in future ; and, unless the
necessity of the case should require it, I should
ever be desirous of avoiding the mention of his name.
It appears from the evidence of Mr. Raikes, that
as far back as the year 1799, he informed Mr.
Pitt that Navy money to a larger amount than
was deemed necessary, had been drawn from the
Bank of England, and lodged at a private Banker's.
Mr. Pitt himself acknowledged this, and though
there was some difference in the form of the con-
versaticm, in the substance it was the same. lam
told there are some Gentlemen who were so ex-
tremes; credulous as to have a doubt of the exist-
ence of the correspondence at all, notwithstanding
the evidence given by Mr. Pitt himself ; and mires,
it seems, there are, who think the conversation good
for nothing, because it was not of an dsciai nature.
A whimsical kind of reasozing, at if-nothing was
worthy of a Minister's notice, which did not come
from some person who did not come to him in full
dress. It was also observed by a Right Hon. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Canning), that this was no more than
a hearsay account which Mr. Raikes had from Mr.
Newland, Mr. N. (roma mercantile gentleman, and
he from the Clerks at the Bank, and they from Mr.
Cnutts;. but I maintain, that however it originated,
when r. Pitt bad it from so respeaable a quarter,
he Was in duty bound to make an inquiry into
it. Mr. Raikes further declared, that on his
return from Mr. Pitt, he related what had pass-
ed to the Gentlemen of the Committee at the
•Banir. It is, indeed, true that none of these gentle-
men did, but it was much more likely for them to
forget, than for Mr. Raikes to have invented it. AU
that we know further of the matter is, that Mr. Pitt
just mentioned it to Viscmint Melville, and was sa-
tisfied with his answer. There is one circumstance
of a peculiar nature, in Mr. Pitt himself, which
makes this the more remarkable, as he knew that
Viscount Melville had ille4gally advanced to him
40,0001. of naval moat!, tile laq part of w&-14 was
not then paid; and it is surprising that that co&
sciousuess alone should nut have alarmed him so as
to induce him to inquire whether the practice might
not go further. I must also repeat my surprise,
that his own honour, and that of Isis fi:erd, did
not prompt hint even to do so much as to satisfy
Mr. Raikes that ri:e report was ill founded. The
Right Hon. Gentleman, when examined as to the
violatien of the AiR of Parliament, erkued, that he
il not the provisions of the Aft at that time in his
mind, which appears tome a very unsatisfactory ex-
cuse indeed, for as the meanest man in the kingdom
is not allowed to plead Lis ignorance or forgetful.
nese of the law, I know not how such a plea can
be admitted in behalf, of a Prime Minister, and one
who took a foremost and alai?* part io the forma-
tion and passing of the very act in question. I
mutt freely confess, Sir, that if the proceedings of
the 1 lonse mean a former occasion had been different
from what they have on a subjea conneaed with
tl.e preseat, my eanduet on this occasion would have
been different also but as it is, not wishing t ut
any thing urea the journals that would be In-

save to the Right Honorable Centleitiant and
unwilling to propose any thing that I thou,zht
might not meet with the certain concurrence of the
majority of the House ; I mean not to offer any
proposition on this part of the rasbjea. The next
thing that prevents itself, Sir, is the deficiency of
the late Mr. Jellicoe; but having before had occa-
sion to trouble the House so muds at large upon
this subjed, I at present confine myself to the con-
dna of the Treasury, in relation to it. It. appears
that Mr. Pitt and Mr. Rose having had a previous
conversation and argument upon this subject, a me-
morial was drawn up, the minute of the Treasury
was dated on the 29th of May, the warrant was
dated the 21st of May, and the Privy Seal was af-
fixed to the writ on the 27th of the same month.

It is true, indeed, the Right Hon. Geatleman may
say, that in the Treasury it is no unusual praftice
thus to put the cart berme the horse. It helongt
to him to afford the only explanation of such dates
that will satisfy the House and the country.—
To be sure, at the time, there were great
changes, backwards and forwards, of going nut and
coming in again, and, on occasions of going out,
at least it might be supposed that they all packed
up together; hut here is Mr. Rose in the same of-
fice at least far twelve months alter the general re-
signation. But supposing it to be an error in the
delivery of the dates, and that Mr. Pitt was other-
wise ton much engaged to superintend the business
himself, he might at leait have employed others to
have done it. There are, I own, some instances on
record of writs of privy seal ; but I dray that there
has been one which could afford a precedent for it.
There is an obvious difference between it and that

of Lord Grenville. Lord Grenvilk's was far a

sum of secret service money, which he swore upon
oath that he never received ; for it seemed that the
person who got it had run away with it, but for
which Lord Grenville was not to blame. If, as I

said before, Mr. Fitt would not himself inquire
into these things, why did he not cause the inquiry
to be made by the Secretary of the Treasury, or
by some one of the four junior Lords, to whom
the public pays large salaries, and has, there-
fore, a right to expest that they should do some-
thing for them ? Why did he not employ Lord
Glenbervie, a solid, steady, experienced man, versed
in the legal profession; not young or tddy, but in
long habit of business and researches, and now em-
ploy ^R in the most important office of Surveyor of
Woods and Forests, on which the salvation of our
navy may depend ? But he did no such thing ; when
Lord Gimbel vie was called before the Committee,
he said, he knew nothing of the matter, and did not
attend the Board at all that year. It is beyond my
comprehension how business can be carefully trans-
afted, v, hen Lord Glenbervie, whose name was
subscribed to ihe writ, had not been present during
the whole Gt :hat year, though he and the others
were paid for their attendance. On inquiry, how-
ever, I think it will be found that neither the war-
rant nor the memorial were fonnded on fast. Ido
not impute to the Right 11-.1. Gentleman corrup-
tion ; but I accuse him of aegled, as to the steps
to recover whatever might be got of the money for
the public. People. indeed, may say that it was
only a temporary thing, if that little was to be got,
and, therefore, that it did not signVy. But 1 must
contend, that there should be some regularity in the
affairs of the public, u well as in those of individuals;
for those small things, when taken together, amount
tea considerable sum in the aggregate. I would,
indeed, make every allowance for feelings of corn-
passion towards the family of Mr. Jellicoe, and
should, in that respeCt, applaud every liberal for-
bearance; but, in order to applaud them, I would
have them stated as such. Mr. Samuel Jellicoe told
us in the Committee, that this forbearance was used
in compassion towards him; upon which I observed,
that it was all very well, and that there could be
no objetion to it t but Mr. Jellicoe came up again,
and, disclaiming what he stated before, said, that it
was not done from motives of compassion. What
could have been his inducement to do this ? I can
account for it in no other way than by supposing
that it was in consequence of his being told by some
person, that he should not have said so, and that he
went too far. Mr. White, the Solicitor, was di-
reeled to sue for the recovery of the balance, in the
year 1788, and did not proceed one step in it, after
the year 1793. Being asked the reason of it, he
answered, that we might recover it yet, if we thought
• proper. What a strange answer was this, from a
man who had negleEled his duty for twelve years
together ? When we asked him why he did not do
his duty ? he replied, that he had left it to Mr. Trot-
ter, whom, he supposed, to be proceeding in it;
and when we required information on it from Mr.
Trotter, he said, that after Viscount Melville had ob-
tained the writ of Privy Seal, which indemnified
him, he had given himself no more trouble about
it. Thus was the recovery shifted from one to
another, in me h 4 manner, that nothing at all
was drone, while Mr. Pitt stood by, and did not
give himself the trouble of making any inquiry
about it. Thus
.., has the affair rested to the pre-
sent moment. 114 Secretary of the Treasury,
and the Solicitors were still the same, and yet
since the year 1800 no step whatever has been taken,
so much as even to make any inquiry into the sub•
jet. It is, Sir, upon these grounds, that I shall call
upon the House to concur in the resolution I shall
have the honour to propose upon this point, and my
opinion upon it, which I have incladsd in the reso-
lotion. I come now, Sir, to the most material of
the 1%-::7'.z., relatior• to the transfer of 40,0001. in the
month of Apr.ti,
nission of Naval:
?to= the Naval money to the use
of the Treasury. Had not the C,g7,
Inquiry been instituted, the pithiic, 08 doullt. would
have been ignorant of this taansataion for ever, es
far as regarded any disclosure on the part of Go-
vernment. It happens, however, that the affair has
in another way been long before the public, for it is
the misfortune of secrets of this kind that they
are always liable to be divulged, whenever it hap-
pens that any of the parties quarrel, as has been the
case between Mr. Boyd and Mr. Bentiehl since their
failure. The statement made in consequence of
their rupture now enables me to throw a clear light
uporrthe subjeft, and to prove that nothing could
have been inure unwise, more impolitic. and more
mischievous, than this ct,n.i.tct of the Minister,
which, instead of prcducir..: b.- r.-eficial con:equznces,
and preventing a gent:ral !advt.° of commercial
credit, had produced c.site the c. intrary art% by
lessening the hopes, and influeseicg the desires of
' Mr • Boyd, in Awls a mauve as soli aced him to be

fearless evert ilk tl:e most bantams' and desperate
speculations. A Minister, it} the firmness of his deter-
Mination, may say. "be the consequence ()lath mea-
sure what it may, I am resolved that it shall be done;
I will abide the responsibility of it ; and I am further
determined to make no disclosures of it." Very well,
I will allow him to do so. I may suppose he has
just and proper reasons for it; and I do not know
that it may not be a measure by which he has saved
his country. But while I make this expression in its
utmost latitude, I must also claim, on the part of the
public, that some record should be made of it, to
point out its singular importance, to prevent its be-
ing brought into a precedent on other less war-
ranted occasions, and that a .*.linister might not die
is the possession of a secret, which may be the ruin
of his country. 1 con:el:el, that the habitual viola-
tion of forms must always be of fatal tendency. It
forms are not necessary, let them not be instituted ;
bat when instituted, let them be attended to. The
Chancellor of the Exchequer stated, in his examina-
tion, that if he had called fur an indemnity, or re-
vealed the transaction in the first instance, the be.

neficial effect which he meant to produce by it
would be destroyed by the disclosure ; that may be
true, but is it a sufficient reason why he should con-
tinue the secresy alter the occasion for it had ceased ?
He violated the law, but he left no memorial of his

having done so. 'Could forgive a man who came
to tell me that he had done me a very severe injury,
bat that by that injury he had saved my lite; 1 could
excuse the man who should tell me he had with-

holden a just debt due to me, and that by havilig
done so, he had saved my whole fortune. On the
same principle I should excuse a Minister who vio-
lated the law for the salvation of the state, or some

other adequate cause ; but I would also insist on
some memorial or record being made of it to pre-
vent its being drawn into a precedent on less worthy
occasions. We can all recollea, and many of us
have felt, that the years 1795,1796, and 1797, were
years pregnant with very great distresses. In the
year 1793, the distress of credit was so great that
the Minister, after having made a very large loan,
WAS under the necessity, in crater to make good the
payments on it, to have recourse to the desperate
expedient of issuing fictitious bills in the names of
fictitious persons at Ilambureli, and accepted by the
treasury. An expedient such as thi,, which would
have ruined any mercantile house in the world,
could not possibly have produced any great advan-
tages to a Government, and so it turned out; fur I
believe little or no money was produced by it. and
the discre.ditabie speculation materially failed. In this
notable plan Mr. Boyd was the agent, and was pro-
bably the proposer of it also, for the hills were drawn
by Mr. Boyd, his nephew. It may not be amiss oa
this occasion to ask who this Mr. Boyd was ? Mr.
Boyd WAS a man of an ardent, bold, scheming, and
enterprising disposition, capable of great And com-
prehensive proje.ts, which looked alluring at first
view ; he was an able man both in body and in mind,
an inimitable accountant, equally capable of doing
great things with his pen, and of defending them in
argument, and of proposing vast schemes, whidi, in
imagination, would make us rich as Crcesus, without
doing the slightest injury to any one. Such a man,
at such a time, was likely to gain much upon the Mi-
nister, and, accordingly, he possessed the highest
credit with him. In the year 1795, Mr. Boyd con-
traited for a clear loan of eighteen millions. The
Minister, however, had occasion in the same year to
make another loan of the same sum, which was pro-
posed to he done by open competition. Mr. Boyd
here interposed, and desired that it should he given to
him. The Minister seemed to demur, and took time
to consider of it, and the result was, that it should be
put to a competition, and that Mr. Boyd should
have a preference on the highest bid Wag of toe
others. The other parties spurned at the proposal,
and withdrew, which made the transaction end in a
close loan with Mr. Boyd. The transaction was
loudly complained of out of doors, and was made
the subjeat of inquiry here, and, on the petition of
Mr. Morgan and others, a motion was made for a
Committee to inquire into it, which was set aside by
the previous question. I mention this the more
circumstantially, as it was upon this Loan that
the call for the advance of 40,0001. came in. It is
certain that the bargain was for a long time a very
profitable concern to Mr. Boyd, for it ran imme-
diately to a premium of GI. 71 tsl. 91. 101. 111.
and to even 121. per cent. Every thing went
well for a while; but a fall having taken
place, Mr. Boyd found himself under the necessity
of making this application. It is also to be remem-
bered, that in the April preceding, Mr. Boyd also
contrafted for another close loan of 3,500.0(101. and
all this time he was selling at a very immense profit,
though at length the tables turned, and the scrip began
to be at a discount. Several people, foreseeing this,
sold while a profit was to be made ; some tried to get
rid of it, and sold when the premium was falling,
others when at par,and several, to prevent farther risk,
resolved to get rid of it even when it WAS at discount.
There are, however, others of a different description,
who would rather at any time keep the hay till it
teas. Mr. Boyd, and some others, were of this de-
scription, for upon the enormous profits they had
so long been accustomed to, they retained their
scrip in their own hands till they came to the very,
worst. I must again remark, that these loans
were given to Mr. Boyd, not so much because he was
a sure man, or because he was a Memher of P arlia-
mem, for that ought not to be supposed; but because
the Minister foundhim so extremely useful in the affair
of the l lamburgh bills already alluded to, and perhaps
at would not be unreasonable to place the extrant...
dinary and illegal advance of 40,0001. to the same
account. In recurring to these transaalions, I with
is much as possible to avoid speaking of Mr. Ben-
field. I cannot but feel for the situation of that
ratlernan, who was unfort anately the partner of
mfr. Boyd. I respell his unmerited misfortunes,
and cannot but lament that he and his family have
been such severe sufferers by the wild and chimeri-
cal speculations of his parolee. ny should not
Mr. Boyd sell his scrip, as well as other people, if
he wanted money and would there be any singu-
larity in his doing so, as he wa.s supported by the
examples of the other great mercantile houses ?
Supposing even the consequence to be that the fe.use
of Mr. Boyd should have failed a little sooner,
would it have had a greater, or rather would ia not
have had a much less injurious effect (rpm] ere dit,
than any of those mercantile houses, not subjett to
such darin4 speculations, and known at 3411 to
have *leis safiastely store substantial? How Ines

th;s Heel*
for 171. c't
omee, he
rutioa
ChaAcelk".
Member a
tithe mon
mason, vr
tented OUI
but th.tt th

it to be supposed that the loan of 40,0001. ern, a
sum which could have produced any etien what•\
that bane
the. ffs -La
House
s er eaz:sea etsiu.o.rinineasen
ever upon a house such as Mr. Boyd's was in ••
r
supposed to have been (litre Alr. said,acturriet
d,betne,ntißlaorwiet
I however,
t, even
any temporary effect was of such cmtld
parity the violation of a law. 'Even on the suppoin
tion of their selling the scrip at the greaten dim
count, the utmost loss could he ran mere than
16,0401. which could be but a trifle to a lawn- im-
mersed in such stupendous engagements. If the
Right Hon. Gent. had no other reason to sateen
them, he should have done it, even on account of
their beiog in distress, which could only tun,
beech produced by their making so bad a use of
the immense. advantages they possessed in what
is called the monied market.--I must confess
that from early habits, and acquaintanc with mar.
kets of another description, I have a great dislike to
the word monied market, as I cannot well crimprt.
bend the meaning of the term. When I hear et the
eogreisKl:et, and the hop market, I understand tln
phrase Wifely well, and it reminds me of him srho.,
indefatigable industry, and judicious exertioar
transinftions with these markets I am indebted V,
every thing which I have the happiness to be pin
sessed of. The public, I believe, as well as the in,
dividual who has now the honour of adireting
you, may find reason to rejaice in the success SI
those exertions, and, the rewards which man
stimulate the energies of industry : in errkhing
an individual, they added also to the weals
of those with whom he was concerned; aid
in procuring wealth to himself, instead of hurtirg
any man, he dilTused it. in a jest propartins,
amongst those around him. Let others, if this
please, boast of an illustrious line of ancestry. I do
not envy ; on the contrary, I reaped them, I think
the estimation of ancestors as useful for produci.ns
emulation in the descendants. :15 the existence
rank is neceisarn to the good order of a stn..
Every family, haiverer ,rent lad illustrious. 7:.11•
have h Id its tiiunder ; and while others p. ide theiu.
savers in their remotene is from their founder, I feel a
pride ant hatisfafti..l ia beiag the nearest to mine.
With these sentiments and impressions. I own that
I cannot recognise the affinity which the monied
market has to any other, nor can I bring myself to
think of it but with disgust. When we hear of such
things as stock-jobbing, waddling out of the alley,
lame ducks, the numerous artitic-s, but. above
the frequent and fatal forgeries which are committed
through the means of this market, it cannot be view:
ed but with abhorrence, compared with any Want
and. if those concerned in them grow rich, 1 came
esteem it obtained wiih s > much credit to the indis
vidual, and so much benefit to the public, as Oa
which has descended to Inc. These, Sit, are the sea-
sons, why I dislike the very name of money market.
But, dismissing that sub:lent, it is said that is that
market there is a way if getting at the votes of
Members of this House—/repeated manners es the
Align:trial sidr). I am vii y tar from saying that it is
so. I certainly do not assert soy such thing myself;
that would be unbecoming. But, in the ;vitriol; et
many, and, perhaps, of the publictoo,itwas somewhat
strange, that such loans should have been given only
to Members of Parliament. A: the time :he Bank
of England narrowed their cliscnunts, and particu-
larly to the house of Boyd, why did not the lkinht
Hon. Gentleman inquire into the reasons for having
done so ? It was unanertionably his duty to bare
made the inquiry, for tile safety (4 the public ; and
if he had done it, he would have found that the un-
bounded speculations of Mr. Boyd, in the Alley,
gave them reason to strapetn the solvency of the
house. Mr. IlayJ represented to the Rig ;t Floe.
Ge itleman, that the Bank narrowed their accornrier.
dalions to him, only to oppress him; and wattle
Right Honourable Gentleman inch a novice as to
suppose, that onpressim could hive been their
m itive, or that they had not other very sal.
dent reasons for doing so? To set the mat:en
however, beyond all contmverty, the fa .% is ktee vn.
tit.tt the Bank had made representati.ms to the
Gentleman upon the subjent, and inforti,el
him that they could have no confideoce tbe seal.
rity of Boyd, as it was his practice to make great
illumines, and as often regularly to fail in them I
will do the Right I lon. Gentleman the justice to
say, that he did not lend the 40,0001. without hav-
ing obtained security fur it; but lie should have
confidence that Boyd ought to have other resource;
without having recourse to so extraordinary a one
as this was. It is further to be remarked, that in
the midst of these einbarr isiments, the Hight Hes.
Gent. had another transantion with Mr. Boyd fur
sending 150,0001 to China, by the way of the Cape
of Good Hope. I know not why it is, Sir; but Von
I hear this silver contrati mentioned amongst mer-
cantile men, I always see them lolls ; but, as
.t
am not in the secret of this silver contra/1, 1 dint
say no more about it ; and should not, perb*P`.
have mentioned it at all, but to shew that hilt.
Boyd at that time had the preference in every thing:
Mr. Floyd had also other loans in the years 17951
and 1797 ; and nothing so fully proves the negli-
gence of the Minister, as that he took no means to
inform himself of the circumstances of that gentle-
man, who was under extreme embarrassment long
before these had taken place. [Mr. Whitbread
here read entracte from several letters, in proof of the
exigence of these embarrassments.] 1 find in a letter
which, previously to these loans in I.7bG and 170
he wrote to Mr.l Bentishl, in which he told hi
that he was a ruined man. In Augnst and h r•
tenner I 7nti, he states, in letters to the same lice:
ticman, the great distresses of the house, an.; !_'e
great relief he found in a discount from a ra.sign
house, with which he had been intim:o-1y ac-
quainted, of 50,0001. Ili, embarrassments, lie fur-
ther adds, were so great, that he was tinder the ne-
cessity of applying to ants:her 4111 utter, namely, to
Mr. Pitt and V-isecunt Melville; white in prudence
and policy his distresses ought ,tit* to be known.--
In stmt, throughout the whole of this !rerinl•
his letters contain a shocking recital of to din
tresses, all occasioned by his adventurous space-
lations in the Alley. It has been said. that after
all there was no inconvenience occasioired by this
advance to the payments of the navy, and I am
ready to admit that no derranda on the Office of
the Paymaster went unpaid at that time. It mast
at the same tune be remembered, however, diet
the navy bills were not paid with praiser panc•
tuality. I remember, on a former °cease-s, "bell
an Hon. Gentleman, aot at this time a Mernber sit

this Tsetse (Mr. Robson), having stateJethat a bill
for 171 or 191. went unpaid at the Sick and Hurt
,
oilice, h- wasfiane tale en up in such a tone of indig-
rove his charge by the then
ancellor of the
Neon and de Ee t
:A prove
e uer, that the Fright lion.
ch
sees stunned, and apprehensive'
Mosher alluded
to
pit the element that Ite had been guilty of a kind of
„ewe, whereas, in a sleet time afterwards, it
awned out that the statement was not only true,
but chat there wete several other bills in the same
It s %Cell pain and I also
etericament.
'ti eve that there have all along been veryconcern shame-
' • ie the payments of the haltpay
id6ithedeNavy; and surely, of all other branches
5j the service, there was not one
iwhich
imperiously respiirei a peompt and 171. ITlC-
the exigen-
cies mr.•nient, as the supply of
• d th,,,, gentlemee, who having won such
cef,:t* laurels for their country, and having no
e('!.liersi'ipport but their pay, are kept generally six,
but cm:star:ly three months in arrears. This dis-
ire circumstance had hitherto escaped my no-
tice: and I hope that it will be remedied without
This, Sir, is a tax which I imposed upon
when I gave notice of my former motion,
ao*LI in the discharge of it, I do not mean to crimi-
nate the Right Hon. Gentleman, though I wish to
have the circumstance placed as a nand upon your
ilereatt, A confidence in that Right Hon. Gets.
demo, when he was considered in the midst of his
rand career, for the salvation of his country, nude
thitets be overlooked, which, in other times, and
ether Administrations, would have cre-
wed considerable alarms ; but at the present
/lament, it becomes Parliament, that it will not
always be indifferent to him. 1 own I am
serious this night for the co-operation of the friends
and adherents of the Noble Viscount, who pre-
ceded the present Chancellor of the Exchequer,
fur I mast, le common with them, commend the
accuracy of Lord Sidmotr.h's administration of the
finances, who never attempted those dashing things
f! Arz so conspicuous in the cbarAder of his succes-
ser. And I must confess, that however I might have
cenlemned the incapacity of that Noble Lord as a
war minister, though he did but little in his
Siert administration of the war, his successor has
done less in a retch longer period." The Hon.
Gentlem es thee moved tee, resolutions ; the first
rented all the dates aril statemeats contained he his
speech. relative to the loan of 49.0001. to Mr. Boyd,
and concluded with stating it to be contrary to law,
and, if admitted as a .preced est, might be dange-
rous in its en:pet/item:es ; the secolid related to the
circumstances of the' deficienc:es of Mr. Jellicire, and
concluded with swine that the Lords of the Admi-
ralty had net done tli• it duty in granting the writ of
privy seal to Viscount Meiv Ile. in or.:.:: to indem-
nify him from a reeeensibility f:r these halanees.
The CHANCELLOR of the t XCHI:QUE R.—
" I will endeavour. Sir, in what I have to say in an-
swer to the speech of the Heaee: iisle Gentle/nee.
to lollies him as nettle as pessible, though 1 shall
not attempt to take notice of the ohole or what he
has advanced, being, In many parts of it, in Me opi-
nion, very foreign from the sal: jet now under the
can-: eettion of the House. And, SW, I ern the more
reload to decline touching on the several topics
now alluded to, as a day will shortly come, eccord-
! sax to a notice that has been given, on which these
reveal points will come bere the House with
snnre propriety, and with more force and eff-d.
In a country like this, Sir, which depeeds so miser
on a "treat variety of industrious pursufts—a coun-
try which boasts and prides itself so highly on the
vast extent of its trade, its commerce, and its manu-
f wtotes I which depends so greatly also on the mae-
n:tnife of its funded connedions—amidst the variety
names which it is obliged to give to the different
plates where business in chiefly transaded; there
shnoll among those of the cloth-market, the corn-
:earl:cf. it-. inch a word as the money-market
Love found its way ien the mercantile voca-
lolery. Though th • Honourable Gentleman finds
Sidt with it, it seems to me a r. ry necessary and a
eery fercible one, though the elegance of it does not
wit the delicacy of his fastidious ear. When the
Lea Gentleman first en sntioned his intention of
bringing it forward. he insinuated pretty broadly
that f was implicated its part of the traanadion to a
degree of criminAtion ; and I think. when persons
mike insinuations, they ought to be cautious, and
do so with reserve; mid I fancy the Han. Gentle-
man is himself of the same opin ion, from the can-
did confession be Is is aside to-night. Sir, in respell
to one point which relates to the prinzipAl transac-
tion alluded to, I mesa the inforrnwiaa given by
Mr. Itaikes, it is material to consider who made
the application, and to what point it diredly tended.
He did not make it as Governor of the Bank; it
Was a rivet; coriversation ; and I admit that lnoking
4) 1 it in th It point of ?ice-, I did nit make any fir-
Clef inquiry thin, as I said before, be mentioning i:
to Viscoaat Melville. In looking hack to mime:6one
passed snare yearn ago, it is necessary :o consider all
the circumstances with which a person stands sur-
rounded, to tike an impartial view of his situation
under all its aspeds, and in all its he.tring4, and net
proceed on our own information, communicated and
received from circumstances afterwards
Tee Hon. G mtle rows' said, that is s coesidering
the transadion. it was odd I should have forgotten
the Ad of Parliament I beg the House to recoiled
that in what I said before, when the subjed was first
mentioned, and the evidence I gave before the Com-
mittee, I expressly mentioned, that 1 did not think
money drawn from the Rank, and placed in the
hands of a private banker, or in the iron chest of the
Ate. in ted•rr to be afterwards applied in purposes
adually naval. was illegal; and this I think is all that
is neeessei-e for me to say at present, on an article
nn whit% there is no charge. I now come. Sir, to
the affair of Mr. Jellicoe's debt, and to the charge
made against me, for having agreed to the Writ of
Privy Seal, in order to indemnify Lord Melville from
beine liable to make good the money which he stood
indebted to the public, in coriserpience of his unfor-
tunate defalcation. Sir, 1 remember the circum-
stances attending that unforzunAte man. and I se
so satisfied with the justice of the stop I then took,
that if the same was to occur at the present mo-
ment, I am certain I should at the rime as I
teen. Ur. Jellicod was an old servant of the pe!ila:
not ?pointed by Lord Melville, but a person whom
Le found in the office, who was altogether teoa, •
to him, there was therefore no gown.' to suppose 1w
enrettained the least partiality to him. Sore rime
afterwards Lord had reason, from info,

tiun he reccivc.t. to snspal Mr. Sellico2's pecuniary
concerns were not in the most favourable state, and
he thereupon questioned him. and found, from his
own acknowledgment, that he was in great em-
barrassments, in consequence of some speculations
which he had entered upon, and which had turned

out most unfortunately. Incl”el theeircumstancesat-

tending this tr H1%4614,11 were such Ciat scarcely any
one who knew them could fill to feel a mixturir of

compassion far his misfortune. Any man wiso
knows the open getrrous nature of Lord Melville's
charaaer, will readily believe that he wi,uld he one
of the first to feel fora peraon under such circum-

stances, advanced in life,:and till that moment bear-

ins an irreproachable charaner. He considered,
therefore, immediately what was the best way to
proceed. If severe measures were pursued, there
was no prospea of any thing but total inevitable
ruin to the poor man and his family ; at the same

time taking sway every possible chance of retrieving
his affains. On the contrary,he thought, if lenient mea-
sures were pursue], it would give bins some chance,
and he was willing to try what that might do. I
think, Sir, no Hon. Member who hears me would

disclaim this aai,m, if they were guided by the same
motives. Lord Melville having therefore :Vied from
an impulse of the finest feelings of the human heart,
and from an anxioui wish to temper, as much as
possible, justice with mercy, and to alleviate mis-
fortune by the offices of humanity, continued Mr.
Jellicoe in his situation, and ought not on that
account to be made responsible ; and, therefore, it
WAS, Sir, that! I advised the writ of Privy Seal.
As t the manner in which this was carried into etc-

curio r, is respell to the difference of dates, there
certainly appears something extraordinary, which
it is no: in my power to explain. It might happen,
from the business having come before me, and I ilAti
ordered it to be done immediately, meaning to men-
tion it to the Board the first time they 171{1t. It is the
common pradice, and sometimes not to be avoided,
in all public boards, fol. s'rme one, circumstances
may occur, to order a thing to be done on his own
responsibility, till he makes the whole Bard Ac-
quainted with it, arid obtains their approbation and
confirmation of it. I believe, Sir, that the Ancient.

- ..... . _
regular, and established mode of giving an acquittal
to a public accoaatant, has ever been by a writ of
?rivy Seal ; and AS such, under all the circumstances
I have just mentioned, I thought myself strialy jus-
tifiabl in advising chat, in the case of Mr. Jellicoe.
Tae Hon. Gentleman ltis mentioned a case which

happened in Lord Grenville's Office, when he was
Secretary of State, in which a writ of Privy Seal
was granted to Lord Grenville. Bat that, he says,
was a dam very different from this. Where the ;lif-
ter:ace lies, I confess, I ern at a loss to find out. A
per.on employed under Lord Grenville, when
Secretary of State, receives a certain sem of
mosey for secret service for Lord Grenville,
with which he runs away. Another person, under
V.scount Melville, when Treasurer of the Navy,
turns to his o.vn use money with which he
is entrusted, from his official situation. in order
to deft- ty the public 'silences. In both cases the
persons emb.zele the public money entrusted to
their care, and so far from being the most distant,
they appear to be the nearest casts that can be con-
ceived. I come now, Sir, to the 40,0001. issued
to the house of Boyd and Benfield. The lion.
Gentleman has, in mentioning this transadion; gone
into many subjeds not at all conneeted with it. He
has intermixed with it the ilamburgh Bills, and
other matters which have been already investigated
by order oldie House. He has alsosupposed that the
fir t Loan made by Boyd and Benfield in 1795 was
A close one. In that he is mistaken. There were
two Liens in that year—one in April, the other
in Deccalher, 1795. The first was le open Loan,
the other a close one—on what ground ? Why, Sir,
because the periods of the Instalments of the first
Loan were not completed. I was therefore com-
pelled to make a ells, Loan, be:eitse I could not
enter into one with any other persons. They
obtained the first Loan because they were
the highest bidders; and the close load, be-
cause, from the terms of the first, I was not a:
liberty to treat with tither persons. The tran-
seßion of the Hamburgh Bills has already haen
investigated, and the Honourable Gentleman says
that the previous question was carried on it. I: is
True the previous question was Moved on the fads,
and there was afterwards a resolution condemning
the transadion. The following fads, Sir, are how-
ever established : there were two loans in 1795 by
Boyd and Benfield, the one for 1H,e00,0001. the
other for 7,513.0001. On the latter In in there were
severmi instalm ants due, of which Boyd and Benfield
were the holders, and which were &homily not sold
in 1796. At that period there was a very great
scarcity of money, and none was to be got on
secutions at a distant date, however good they
migla be. Oa this they applied for aid.—
Mere is one part of the evidence, as to this
trans Et:nn, Sir, which may mislead if not here
exe'a-ied. I mean what was said by Mr. Drum-
mend, one of the partners of the house of Boyd and
Ben3el.l. That Gentleman had made a mistake,
when first examin'd ; he did not suppose the house
was under embarrassment, because he misappre-
hended the petind alluded to ; but on his second
eurninetion, when he understood it right. and was
iortnmed that it alluded to the instalments of the
Loan due in 1796. he was pettedly convinced they
were under the most distressing embarrassments.
Indeed, we all of us must recoiled to what it led.
In five months after the stoppage of the Batik took
place, and all classes of merchants and others con-
cerned in trade most sensibly felt the severity of the
pressure. Tele, Sir, has been most clearly and de-
cisively proved by an I inn. Gent. (Mr. R. Thorn-
ton), who, from his high station ar a merchant, and
from having been Governor of the Bank, must he
Allowed to oe capable of forming as sound and ac-
curate a ju fgment on the subject, as any man in the
country. We are told, however, by the Hon. Gent.
th et Boyd and Benfield might have sold stock.
13.1:, Srr, the same high authority I have just men-
tiened, has iaformed us they could not then have
sold stria at a less loss than 15 per cent and at the
same tirn• to have brought 52 mach scrip into the
market, would have added very much to the gene-
ral eetearassment, and might have brought down
the whole .e the stock then in the hands of the othet

which wouli have produced incalcul-
-4',!!! I • and have rendered another loan india-
n:.Lia:);y .ssrry. to the one case,' there WAS no
danger ut "-.4sa to the public, to the other there was a