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mat the t.
/4 borne out by this *sport in statingtime things, and in
Right Honourable Secretary. (Mr. ooulburn)
`4l misleading but 1,

chaeging
gtoaaly misrepresenting the fatt, sod that Haase, he
had alsd the authority of an Oreoge newspaper to support him ;
that paper bad expressed the most positive opinion, that those two
melt might think themselves very lucky indeed in their escape.
t Hear, hear.) But this was not all. Under the same Judge, and
by the mama or a ;imam Jury, there was another person put upon
his trial., The Counsel who had been retained for the prisoner, was
at the time when the trial was palled oh in the civil side of the
Court. An ottit sr of the Court was sent to call him ; that offices
was obstructed in his way. Mr. Baron hi•Clelland was told of the,
vreumstance, and was applied to to postpone the trial, bat he lair
fused to do so. The cause was allied on, and She
tried, withett his Counsel to &Vold him. The Cams%
tittered the Court at the close Odle trial, and romp*
to hive the witnesses r-r:alled, in owlet that he riught
them. But this same Judge, 111`Clelland, refused to allow him to
do so, or to tress-examine a single witness. This Judge, who bad
not hithasilf put the usual questions to tie witnesses when no Corm
sal was retained for the defence, refused to allow the primmer ea&
eel to ask a single question of any one of them. (Hear, hese legia)
And this prisoner was, upon the testimony of those witnelealkallia,
rimed of a misdemeanor, and sentenced to suffer twelve olleothe
imprisonment. (Hear, hear.) And after this, should he be told--
(heir, hear, hesq—after this, he would my, should he be told that
testice was admintstered impartially, Red with an even hand in
Ireland? ((fear, hear.) Shoald he ever again hear it said, that
justice was there meted out with the same undeviating natioattA tits
same enrire absence of all passion, with the same so •
per, which, thank God, lie could say, dtatitiguished the Ma
the Bar in this country ? He rejoicedat finding those two Hon.Gertfle-
men ludilitig firm faith together in larding is one harmonious
phrase the perfect purity, and chiunting the praises of the Irish
Bench in respondent strains—
'Arcades onto et rcspondere parse."
He admired the gentle Pyladcs and Orestes of the Irish Bar, olio
clang to each other—
" it eantare parrs."
He rejoiced at this, and Amid have felt ac untangled pleasure et
it if he had not a sad and serious answer to give to them, and which
they compelled him most reluctantly to do. The lion. Gentleman
now repeated the same strain which had been said by an lion. Gen-
tleman on an occasion very similar to the present. He echoed the
sentiment ;which was then declared, that "die Courts of Justice in
Boland *ere open to all." When this was said, he (Itlr.Brougham)
remembered Mr. Ilorhe Tooke observing, "And so was the Londdn
Tavern Open to all." But there was this difference between these
two open places, that the article which wits dealt out to the poor
suitors a; the bar, he would call it (lAtighuor). of these places Was
essentially sliffetent : for at the tavern in Bopagate-atreet *as
'erred to the poor man who could contrive to pay his money the
gement:fele 4.7 to the rich ; but at the bar of the tavern, in Ireland.
we were tcld by one who het for many years been the master of
one where these articles were disposed of, whether at the sign of
the City Tavern, the Den, or 'the Bottomless Pit, lie (Mr. B.)
could sot fell; but this individual it-afield us that there was one
sort of liquor or law for the rich and one for the poor, and that both'
were bail—both liquors of a mat inferior kind. That was the
opinion of Lord Itedesdale' and nt: of his (Mr. Brougham's). and
teerefote more valuable. Lord kletiesdale had been a Lord Chan-
ceelor then : he knew sethething of the practice that was pursued
in that country, actuething of the laws, and something of the in-
juitice that was practised; ata this was his opirion of the ad-
ministration or justice in Ireland. But he (Mfr. Brougham)
would now come back to the question before the House; only
observieg, by the W3,'' what a farce it wae—what a mere, but at
the same time. Luhiliating mockery it was (hear, hear, hear,) to
have a part of our fellow•subjects to be gravely toM,l that they must
not assemble together to utter their grievances, and ptoclaim aloud
their complaints under this aecuretd system of misrule Ours ad_
mitred to exist, for fear it should be said, that they 'were as bad ex
the Bridge-street gang. The Bridge-street Association, or gang, if
you please—evil' it what you will—was a most infamous and scarves-
lons job, coininencal and concocted by a set of pettyfogging'ettor.
Treys; and which gang, as soon as this real job was exposed, fell to
the ground and expire:Li Bit this Association, this gang, after all,
was termed in this eruntry, where, thank God, he could declare
the course of justice ran pure and unstained ; not in a country where
the people were divided by religious feuds, not where there ex.
laced one law for the rich and member law for the poor ; rot in short,
where one.seven duet the people found and enjoyed freedom, and
the remaining sit-sevenths were held in bondage, and galled by
every species of oppression. lie now etme to the charges against
the constitution of this Association. The first was, that they dared
totonie into public day ; that they boldly showed themselves in
ail their proceedings, with a defiance that was truly &terming.
But, if' they had not pursued this course,—if, instead of
thus conrtiag investigation and observation from all, they
had carried on their proceedings in secret, then what shauld we
rot have heard 1--Should we not hare been told " Oh ! if they had
come forward boldly and openly, we then should have thought their
inientions hottest, but now that they carry on their measures in the
dark, they become a fearful body, and must be put down. But it '
seemed also that they aped the forms of this House, that they had
the impudence and audacity to be like unto ourselves. But sup-
pose that they had adopted a different comae, suppose they had in.
traduced a new mode, and new forms in conducting their proceed.
jags, instead of following the old and approved ones, should we not
then have heard them accused of introducing novelties?—(!tear.)
would it not have been said that they were seeking to establish die-
ferent forms of conducting public proceedings, and that they were
imitating the Convention of France? But we were now told that
they had the daring impudence to ape the solemn proceedings of
this Honourable House, and affect to set up their pigmy import-
ance in jusaposition with our dignity. This was the second
charge. The third was that they were not elected, but self-consti-
toted. A Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that they were self-
elected, self-assembled, self-adjourned. and self-reassembled. But
if they were elected, then they would be doing an illegal act
they were not elected, and they were not doing an illegal act ; and
yet it was objected against them that they were not elected, but
self-constituted, and mist therefore be put down : so that in all
ways they were wrong. Then how were they toact ? If they were
open, they were audacioss and threatening—if they were secret,
they were treecherous--if they pursued those old and well-approved
forme which in all public bodies were adopted. then they were'
aping this Honourable House, and were. in fact, itnpudetit, for that
hoer the meaning of this charge—if they were self.elected. then
d.ey were arrogant, and did not represent the Catholics, whose
leentiments they pretended to speak—and, finally, if they w..re
elected by others, then they came wider the Convention
Act, and were open to prosecution by the Right Hon. Gentleman,
the Attorney-General for Ireland. Thus were the Catholics met on
points.ell lf they spoke openly, they were preetimpttions said
tying • if eccret said silent, then were they to be suspected ; so that
tl at there. was no one thing they could do that was not distorted
into a cause of complaint against them; they were, in every shape,
and under every circumstance, obr oxious and dangerous, and this
Bill said there was only one means of making them reconcilable to
the country, and that was by their not being sulihred to exist at all.
I don', care, s,ys onel3entlemen, fear the bluster and stir which
this Aestecletion make', but what I ant most alarmed at, says •
staid and metaphysical gentleman, is the deed silence that now pre.
vails in irelard. It war again said that the power of the Catholic
Potent. Wits too great because It was too small, anti in the same line
of logical deduction it might he said, that
" 'Twould still be greater
If 'twere not at all.''
lie (Mr. Brougham) would declare that the Catholic Association
were the vietted representatives of the Catholics of Ireland, not in
that danatotut sense of the word which would signify that they
exercised any conirel over the persons of the Catholics, but because
they agreed with them in opinion, because they felt for them, and
entertained similar sentiments with their own on the great questions
which affected them so vitally ; not, he would repeat, because they
hind really been elected by them, for that would have been illegal,
tut because they were 3,000 of the beat, moat able, most intelli-
gent, and runt pattiotic amongst the six millions of the Catholic
body. That was the real secret of their erpreeentstione---that was
the sole source of their efficiency. Were Hon. Gentlemen afraid of
that power, were they really alarmed at that assemblage of talent
and zeal k If they were, he (Mr. Brougham) would tell them how
to disarm them ii: an hour, and on the marrow of the day or. which
they took his edifice, nay, not his, hot the advice of the Irish At-
torney-General, ferit tied more authority than his, they would
feel that alum which they now experienced wholly to with:lde, and
cease of fear dispersed. Take then awry the grievances under
which the Cathe.ites of 'lreland labour. (fleet, hear, Pear.)
Though lath, do them yet justice, give them that which long ago
seal their's, and which nothing but injustice had withheld from
them. By this they wstrld antra them. Ireland woald bless them
jr.stmd et cursing them es she now, if they witadd take away
thou hideous and detestable marl:sof degradation which her Ca-
tholic people had been so long 'destined to bear. (Hear, hear.)
He had beta told that many speeches had been used by the headers
of the Association. of a bad tendency, sad calculated to itritate the
feelinp of an already angry and misdirected pen*. One expression
had in perticular been alluded to. As to that expression, lie would
not standup in that House to defend it ; lie would net sperially
plead it away-..aear, hear) ; lie would soy that it Was an harsh
txpreasiou ; one that he should not hare advised ; but yet he would
also say that it contained no illegal meshing it carried with it
nothing of a violent Or prceokh i
ig nature. If t did go a little too
tar, and disagree with what a more cool sett temperate feeling
groat have dictated, yet a little allowance was to be made fur an
expecte:tee used by these men, who hael fewer, the victors
a very keg series of • etprezion, and who had no
real sepsesertrives in.thst hntiee ; 1%• tholTh it might lie mid they
had, i,d thirtkey voted for Members of this Howse, yet that was
upon oneni i ien : which was, that they should elect men who
hid oat embrace a ra:th, nor entertain sentimeitts similar to their
own; ar &A whose injuries years would rot tell the history. Yet
then people were to he condeeoned for • mere word in this Ad.
drese, although in it they prowled peace, quiet, content-
ment, and setimission to their failow.ontlerers. They wire
while condentred for one trifling, one single wont, and
this paper was so be ;riven away—no not riven, but ens-
kteland said preserved in she nrehiree of tile Rizb! Hon. Secretary

_ ---....... sow noverted —. __Alewife
owe sod mg.. , eassions boo used by iforn:urable Mem-
bers of thet-Ideene. Milk VlMok. be Mid, they would not like
to be told that they wenn:mew .pmions, and were holding
forth most -parldsinni la dka people, because they
had thus used laaguege rather sosopp. Belwe aid rot but recollect
Mat moot tattraortiinery language bad baps used by an Unnoural,le
Member°, the present question, and thetas* as his bench, bet on
one far rewireed trout him, wed that too by a Gentleman, v.hl. to
his (Mr. Broughanee) astonishment, was to vote in favour of this
Bill. It was good, it was stiff and stout, and he did not know but
that it was quite constitutional, but it wesitot usual in these
days to breech it in such broad terms. fie alluded to the
espresaion of she Honourable Oeldemai (Mr. Pascoe Grenfell)
osbo, when spooking of the possibility of a resistance on the part of
the Catholisaccletlared, that of be were on his bed of death, his last
:grayer to tbst Almighty should be, that that resistance might be
successful. (Hoes,-it.) Now he would vesture to say that not
one.thausandtb pastel the violate, which this speech evinced was
ever used by araysatheber of the Catholic Associsuon. Nor Was
the A tiorney-Cdneral for Indeed altogether so haw front blame for
this circumstance—of what would appear to vulgar minds a going
• little too far—as that Right Hon. Gent seemed to thelt himself.
He (Mr. Brougham) remembered on one great occasion, when
speaking on the subject of the Union, that Bight Honourable
Gentleman had said, that be was a friend to Vie canneeion with
England, and that he would stand binti:2oonoanexion to the last ;
hut, Weed the Right Honourable 0l (and he was a must
eloquent patriot whe said so) "if that (tonne should be found to
be incensistent with the interests of my country. Iwill give the'con-
nezloa to the winds, and hng my country to my bosom." Three
sere eloquent worse, but they were strong. He was sal honest
Inapt and a pianioterho used diem, but they went very far, quite
to the serge i and they contained a pledge--a pledge 'which
he (Mr. Brougham) had no doubt the Right lionouratile Gen-
eleman vonild, if flailed upon by the wataion, proudly redeem ;
and in redeening it he would certainly bt a real patriot, but he
would at that same testae( become a rebel against England. (Hear.)
It was eneharitable, it was unchristian, to bear hate to Orangemen;
but it was sweet, it woo amiable, it was pious, it was Christian,
after the substaace of their wrongs had terminated, to retain the
shalow by way of remembrance. But the Rent was a great charge '
against the Catholic Aasocation : it was a self-constituted, self-
Hera body, levyaji taxes by regular agents 7 But how was any
species of revenue collected, except by regular veers. The Ca-
tholic Rent was a voluntary subscription.—it was paid at the tate of
a penny a week. Those who could not pay a penny, paid a half-
penny;
and those who did not choose to pay a halfpenny, paid no-
thing ; and those who pay nothing, enjoy the same advantages as
those who pa y the most. This wasclearly a service of gratuity :
here was no illegal levy of money. He begged the House nut to be
alarmed, although he was about to produce a book. Ile would
not detain the House many minutes, or read more than
three lines The book he was about to read from was The
Al Limits of tits Confer:me.: cf the English Met/waists—a most
respectable and praiseworthy class of persons—a class of persons
whose privileges he had before defended, when he thought those
privileges were assailed, and should again defend them, if they
. were attacked. Now, from these minutes it appeared that the
Methodists were placed exactly in the same situation as the
Catholic Association. Vet this body does not excite any alarm
in the mind of the Honourable Gentlemen opposite, not even in
that of the Hon. Member for Oxford. The Methodists, instead et'
levying tales indirectly, as the Catholic Association had done,
levied them directly; and whilst the one was in Ireland, the other
was situated neater home. These were the only differences, al-
though the lion. Member for Dover (Mr. Butterworth), whom he
(Mr. Brougham) very much respected, stated on a termer evening,
that no similarity existed between the Catholic Association and
the. Methodists. Front these minutes, it appeared that Mr.
kerkshaw was appointed Secretary. The Irishmen, by mimick-
ing the forms of the House, had touched it upon the tenderest
point—he ought to say the sorest point. But what did they
• do equal to the Methodists, who appointed a Secretary to the Com-
mince of Privileges ?• (A laugh.) He saw the lion. Gentleman
(51r. Butterworth) urrasy en his seat: the lion. Gentleman, no
doubt, conceived that the conferences of the Methodists were at an
end. He would confine himself to the particular points of simi-
larity which existed between the Catholic Association and the
Methodists. When it was .said that the Catholic Association
directed the cellectore of the Rent to return the amount of their
collealoas within a certain period, some lion. Gentlemen. so send-
live in all matters concerning finance, lifted up their hands and
I eyes, full of alarm. Now the Methodists' Conference expressly re-
quired, " that all collections received in October should he paid In
before the 15th November." This, indeed. was prompt payment;
lie doubted whether the Right lion. the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer received the revenues from the tax collectors so promptly.
The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to envy the excellence of the
system, by which collections were paid fourteen days after they
were received. The Right lion. Gentleman was in the habit of
giving three mouths, but he (Mr. Brougleun) believed that his
Hon. Friend, the Menthe; for Aberdeen, (31r. flume) had induced
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to abridge the time to three
weeks. •"lhe Treasurer's books were to be closed on the 4th
, June ; sod all additional subscriptions were to be remitted, and
the amount reported to the Superintendents at every Meeting."
Now, these were parallel cases, for which the Methodists might be
charged with illegally levying money, with quite as much justice
as the Catholics. But then there were two books kept by the Ca-
tholic Association : the book containing the subscribers, and an-
other for the non-subscribers. This was represented as a matter of
great alarm. It was insinuated that the intertiun of the names of
non-subscribers was intended to advertise those persons who refused
to contribute, and that the publication ef their names in this book,
was held over them la ter Tercets. But this was rot a fact; there
were no such two hooks in existence, nor there could not be in the
nature of things. And that such a thing should be mentioned and
acted upon in that House in the month of February, in the
sixth year of his present Majesty, only proved how alarm
may rake reasonable, serious men, a prey to the wildest in.
aginations. So late as the period which he had mentioned.
that House did not hoot down, but, on the contrary, it joined in,
and swallowed the tale set up by the alarmists, without ever re-
flecting on the 1110fal impossibility of that which alarmed them;
as if, because three hundred or four hundred thousand persons sub..
scribed to the Catholic leen', and their names should be placed in
, a book. the live or six millions who hail not subscribed should also
I be inserted. But to return to the Minutes of the Conference :-
1 It goes on to state, " that where any declension or gross deficiency
occurs, strict inquiry should be made." lie wottld warrant that
amongst this religious class the finances would be strictly attended
te, and in proportion as the funds were grew, the more strict
would be the watch set over the collectors. The statement
of the Sletholat finances occupied ten columns ; every item
will mentioned. This was one of the charges against the
Catholic Association, but there was another point of similarity
more material—an item which wax often placed on the table cf that
House was now placed in the financial statement of the Methodists—
he meant " the Extmotdineries;" here was actually an item for
exteaordinariee of the *my of the faith. The sums were smaller to
be sure than the House hal been accustomed to bear of, but it
evinced that the army of the faith could nut be supported without
expense any more that' the army of the fiesb. (A laugh.) But
there is a deficit in the account of the Alethodists, and this deficit is
ordered to be parcelled out amongst the circuits. Every 119 persons
were to furnish a certain sum. Thus it appeared that the Itletho-
dies not only collected but actually assessed taxes. Did he Mean
by drawing tnis parallel to censure the Methodist Society ? Did
he mean to cast a doubt on the purity of their motives? Did
he dare to ridicule the piety of their intent;ons ? Did he mean
to conclude that their laudable—their praiseworthy exertions—were
I illegal? No such thing—he only meant to argue, that what was
right in England could not be unlawful in Ireland. That what this
respectable body of men would go to death to preserve, that right
which was connected with their bipartite—their dearest privileges ;
a right which involved a point of conscience, and for which resist-
ance should be encountered, rather than it ,mould be suffered to be
taken away, the Catholics would also do. By this coniparison, he
only meant to infer that the proceedings which were permitted sad
admired in England, could not be accounted a solecism and anomaly
in Ireland ; above all, that what was respected in one country and
universally considered lawful and consistent, should not be made In
another the ground For an oppressive Act of Parliament. It seemed
he had now gene through all the charges which were made against
the Catholic Association. One, however, occurred to him, and it
was, like the rest, the strangest and most inconsistent. All the ar-
guments at the other side were in the most admired dissenter. The
Priests, it was arid, were active and zealous me-nbers of the Asso-
ciation, and thererore the House sea to cry out against the mern.
ben of the Association 04 if they were traitors. (Cheering.) But,
he would ask, if the Priests were not with the Association, what ,
would be the argument against this unfortunate body, which, do'
what it may, could never please ? If the Priesthord, and the great ,
Peers, and the wealthy d;oinnioners, were not allied with the Catho.
lie Alsoeiation, and this alliance was now made a matter of re-
proach, what would be the argument against the Adspeiation ? We
should hear it Raid, that if the priesthood were with it it might be
encouraged ; the Catholic Peers would then be considered worthy
' of greet praise ; and, in the absence of the wealthy Commoners it
would be said, t lust if they had been connected with the Association,'
it would give Lime security to the Goverinnent—sonte sarty to the
State. But then it would be said the Association was composed of
chaperate men, with no churchmen to control their violent passiopt•
no nobility to keep them from 'mining into democracy, and no
wealth to give them a stake io the country. (Year, hear.) Thw
last charge made egairtt, the Catholic Asseciation was by an Ho.
nourable and beamed Friend of his (Mr. Plu .kett). It was said'
by hint that t*.e Catholic Association undertook too many thing'.
;le (•f. Brougham) would say, if he felt as that Honourable sail
Learned Gentleman did, so much the better ; they %Medi be the
less likely to succeed. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman
must know, by his own success, that when attention is concentrated
to one particular point, it ie more likely to be successful thah if it
was divided. But the Honourable and Learned Gentleman was
deceived, The Catholic Association had not undertahen every
thing : they had taken no part on the question of tithes‘ and in
i the question of a Reform n Perliainent they were not committed.
On the ceetrary, when that worthy and beoevolent Individual, Mr.
Jcremy Bentham, than wbolu there was no more able and sincere

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spposite (Mr.
44,1 i himself agat..
,„ _ . .. __ heard made againstn
dierefore refer. Itshad heard it elb)eeted to doe It t HIM Gent.
In high quarters,and he would sow the tistheeing
professed, sad he presumed ftlisdillip Ili the
Catholic cause, yet, marvellous assay, not may osessilad Is dais
a Cabinet where contrary doctrines were held, not perhaps hi stass.
Fut in purpose; and that the Right Hos. Gentlemen hid ost used
the meat)s and the extensive power with which be ma mime to
effect this object, as he might if ha •bad wished. Sal rtes was
another charge which he (Mr. • ) bed brew& denrard,
and which,—he said it more inese in lustklealls—as aigh t
Hon. Gentleman had poorly d He had einelldillble that,
et this critical period—in this Your, whenasines of the
Catholics hung in a scale—thea tarale waistbands& mbar
was the worst service the Right narable lEhinlismes amid
have done the Catholics? He (Mt Droughts) hod already
told him what was the best—it was the earn" and honest
exertion of his influence to ca fp question of Emancipa-
tion.
But he demanded fry;, in the testes of the '
isilly
House, and in the face of I ,aßtat was the wont sec.
rice he could perform for the dins treatlittng, in the
04ry
scale ?it was to assist in dite - .** no popery.' That
charge he ( Mr. B.) did raise illatteight Has. Gentlernan— ,
he put him on his trial be ' . This charge he repeated I
against him ; this cry the Gentleman bed assisted to
wee, but he (Mr. B.) thank Mind failed. Notwithstand-
ing the Right lion. Gentleman influence, notwithstand-
ing his great talent and pet is despite of the happy
knack which the Right H • • *".'"" dr Othancing his Pe-
period% and qualifyine his '''''"" .. talent Welt he derived '
otretw from bit early friend, Mr. Pitt, .7
"'" r. W had wittily
bar strew:tally said, that his *Wan periods was so
Brea! . that he could speak the Myers 4 Not-
Not-
withstanding the Right Hest. Dept.'. , alu=ll more '
han the most principled or ' tenet As Catholics.
the cause had survival his stedialesel blow of all
was, when tle Right Ho tßestlemen teed the simple rx-
preseion. " stand alone in the Cabinet." " The whole country is
against me. Yet, though the Right Honourable Gentleman totes
this expresalon so discouraging to the friends of the Catholics, an
' animating to their enemies, he adds, " lam as much as ever the
I Mend of the Catholic," though he does the very thing best i
I calculated to injure their cause, when he says " The people
of England are banded against the Catholics. It put him
in mind of Lady Snrervell or Mrs. Candour—he did not know
which of them it was, or whether it was Sir Benjamin Backbite—
in Sheridan's comedy (the SePtoni for Scandal), who said. “ I like
such a person vastly, but I can't get anybody else to like him."
So said the Right Honourable Gentleman—" I am a friend to the
Cathelies, but I have none but the M'higs of England to
side with me." But the Right Honourable Gentleman did cot
state this fairly. Ile has not only the Whigs of England
at his side on this qeestion, but all the liberal men of the
country were at his side--every man of liberal sentiments.
This was not true friendship of the Right lion. Gentleman to con-
fess the weakness of his cause. True friendship, tike faith, believes
much—like charity, forgive!, and hopes much ; but the lion.
Gentleman put iris case even worm than he need have done. Did
he not recollect that the Cities of London and Westminster,
and the Bort:nigh of Southwark, were decidedly with Win
The argument of the Right Hon. Gentleman was this, lie cool:
not propose this Catholic Emancipation, not so much because the
Parliament and the Government were averse to it, as because the
country itself was opposed to it; but he (Mr. Brougham)
would Ray, that all men of liberal opinions were not as they had
been described by the Right Hon. Gentleman, but that the cry of
"No Popery" bad gone down daily and hourly. He would take
to himself the highest. satisfaction, that consistently with his ad-
vice and feeble efforts, the present occasion had been so eminent in
eying opportunities for the eloquence of so many men, and to some
who had rendered themselves immortal by the glorious course they
had pursued. Ile had the satisfaction cf thinking that during this
long debate a last blow had been given to the scandalous delusion
under which the people of England in this respect laboured. Ile
would suppose, however, that the country was adverse to the met.
sure of Catholic Emancipation. But even then his Majesty's
Ministers would not withhold it, if they were aware of its pan-
mount importance to the safety of the empire ; 'but they would
endeavour, by every meats in their power, to induce the Government
to grant it. But, he would ask, did these Gentlemen always act upon
this'll-ea of public opinion ? There war the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer, who now sat upon the seat before him, and who was a alem-
bee of the Government in 1820, when that detestable disgraceful
measure—a measure which he wondered any man could have
tamely listened to—was introduced into the House. What did the
country feel on the subject of the persecutions against the late
Queen ? There was no hesitation in going in direct opposition to
the public opinion—to the cry of the mob--to the disaffection of
the army—to public meetings—to the embittered multitude:
here all great interests were embattled, and all united with
one strong feeling—with one heart, and with one voice, in
opposing the Government ; yet the Government never fur an
instant stopped in its disgraceful and disgusting course;—were
there any reasons which they could have stated for so doing—
were they threatened that one half of the Emplte would be torn from
-them it they did nut?—No, but they yetitted with a wretched sub-
serviency to the commands of a single Indlviduad--they did not
mince matters, but with an unhesitating baseness, which not even
the Russian boor had ever equalled,and certainly never surpassed—
like the base crouching slave of an Algerine Divan, with the
bow-string twanging in his ears, and the scymater glittering before
his eyes, they braved all obloquy and ail danger, for the purpose
at gratifying that high personage—to gratify his most excusable
caprice (for caprice he had, although they had not even this mi-
serable excuse,) to gratify hint and to keep their places under hum.
Before he sat down, he would allude to some observations of the
Right Hon. Gentleman (the Attorney-General for Ireland) but he
would first observe, that if lie hail tired the House. he would very
willingly conclude. (Hear.) But he had felt it Ins duty to occupy
their attention so long, on one of the most important questions that,
within his recollection had been discussed in the House of Parliament.
lie did not stand in need of any reasons or any arguments for
branting Catholic emancipation ; but if he wanted both, both had
een supplied by his Hon. Friend, the Irish Attorney-General, the
great friend and the great patron of Ireland ; the person who had
been appointed the guardian of its tranquillity. Ile has proceeded
from that country but very recently, and the scenes to which he had
alluded have come many of them within his own knowledge and
observation. Vet lie has avowed in his place in Parliament that
this Bill now sought to be introduced into the House :should
be supported instead of Catholic Emancipation. Ile had said that
this Bill was rendered necessary, because enapancipation would
not be granted. In his (Mr. Brettgliam's) opinion, this declaration
was very ominous,—to his ears it carried this meenage:—Prepnre
ye for the coming storm ; set your he ill order anti prepare, for
the eight is coming and the storm fs lowering—the storm that
must produce convulsions. unless present measures be taken to pre-
I vent its effects.

Mr. PLL NKETT rose to explain. lie said that the Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. Broughain) had mistaken the expressions
used by him. He had never stated thalit would be necessary to
Pau the measure in orderto dispense with Catholic Emancipation.
Mr. 1111OUGli A M continued. It made little or no dittiver.ce
whether the Right lion. Gentleman did or did not make us-f of such
an expression. He certainly thinks that if Emancipation were given
to the Catholics, this obnoxious Bill would be rendered urmeces-
eery, and his argument at the same timn was this My reason
for supporting this Bill is, because I feel its paramount necessity."
‘Vliy does he so argue? Why, bnt because Catholic E aneipm
'lion being out of the question, it becomes necessary to provide
against the consequences. Another Minister, perha Lord Lon-
donderry, it he were alive, feeling that this i'atbrilic Emancipation
could not or wouldmot be carried, and fearing for the consequences
that might follow, would have voted for adopting military measures
for the purpose of meeting and encountering the storm. For his
part, he (31r. B.) if he had his choice, would prefer those military
measure to any other, for although they would certainly succeed
for a thne, they as certainly eagle l'kft be' permanent. Did the
Government never intend to redo*" the lettings and thus stifle the
complaints of the Irish people ? This would be the only way—first
redress their wrongs, and their eonspiaints would instantly cease.
llis llonottruble Friend, the Irish Attorney.Cleneral, however
had said, reverse the maxim—First stifle the complaints, and
then you may considerwhether or not you will redress their wrongs.
His (Mr. Brougham's) advice to the Catholics was this:--do not
be discouraged; petition, but petitionvexpectfully; obey all the laws
that may be enacted against you, and this odious law in particular, if
it should be passed—obey all its directiona—but go on complaining,
go on with your meetings, and continue defending and supporting
one another, not by means of Associations, for they will then be-
come illegal, but by every means that the laws, even after the pass.
mg of this measure, still allows you'; end do not despair or sue-
cess. Above all things do not allow yourselves to think that mo- '
derat ion or concession, that doing nothing, cr that looking out for
new friends, and friends that have not been tried, can ever get you
what you have set your hearts upon. But go on, trusting to those
old and tried leaders, and uniting yourselves to those enlighteiml
men. one of whom, from the sister kingdom, and may Heaven lung
pseserve him to it, continues to adorn this House. ou have
him—:lnd you have the successor of Grattan. lio on, and pursue
the course you have been pursuing; be united, firm, and temperate;
and, above all, look to England—to
your suffering brother of that
country, who have tried for centuries—. What ?—moderation, pas-
s
sive obedience. They have tried all they could, and they have only
tiled quiet means, but they have found themselves quite as badly
off as their brethren in Ireland, and they have now taken the other
course—the course of coining forward with one heart and with one
voice. iwd rejoicing to join their brethren. .Yom the great charac-
ter whom all loved and respecred—the fluke of Norfolk--down to
the luwest pariah priest, all would become united as one man. He
rejoiced to know it,for he knew that it would be an auspicious onion,
that must produce happy results. The House bad been told by
au ilon. Gentleman opposite that the Irish knew but little of the
English if they thought inintimidate deem. It might be trite
that nothing was ever gained by a formidable position; but in
his (Mr. Brougham's) opinion, the contrary was the ease. The
Catholic,' haul never gained any thing,rsunless in a time of diffi-
culty with the Citiverrunent. It was those Gentlemen, and no:
him, who preached to the Catholics the doctrine that in times of
pet and tranquillity, when there was nothing to create a state

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A Adoetn,. they had never been given any iadvatitages: IV.*
AM the year 1778 a time of considerable diffeulty. and
? . In 1782 an assembly of armed men had laid claim to
--.... which they after sards evoked. In 1793 there were i
' taunts; and in 1003, when the last of those concessions
tdlnellkdes
there was great apprehension of clanger. He called
imbibe House, not -by the hate they bore oppressor-S. rot by any
*Sit ilitsmity, which he would fain tee for eve? stifled—he called
spun tie House, not by their hatred nor by their charity, not by
`tele revenge nor by their clemency—but he called upon the House
statesmen—he called upon them from a motive of policy—to
reflect before it WAS too late—to consider well before the passing of I
a Bill which might torn discontent into rage, and to ht arm rage
with new weapons. On their heads, and not on his, be the come_
msence of this misjudged and misguided policy—on their heads,
and not on his, be the consequences, if they took such steps as
might tear Drifted from this country. IThe lion. Member con. '
eluded his speech amid the strangest acd most enthusiastic ekpres.
sions of admiration. •
Mr. BUTTERWORTH amidst great laughter and considera-
ble opposition, rose to reply to sonteohservations of Mr. Tirougliam,'
on the subject of Methodist Committees. The Honourable Mem-
ber was proceeding to observe that the Committees were appointed
for a particular purpose, and that there had been no ctillettions of
money since the year 1811, when
Mr. BROUGHA 51 here interrupted him, lay saving, he would
save the Honourable Member a good deal of trouble. An he as-
serted was, that they hal a General Committee of Privileges, but he
said nothing of the collection of money at any rime.
Mr. BUTTERWORTH then proceeded to real an extract
of a letter from the county of Kilkenny, describing the efforts
made by the Catholic collectors for the increase of the Rent,
and stated it to have been mentioned by one of them that he
must return the names of those who refused to the Board (so we
understood bite.) The Hon. Gentleman concluded amidst cries of
"Question, question," by observing, that the Methodist collec.
tiona differed from the Catholic in this important point, that the
first was voluntary, the other forced.
Mr. GOULBURN rose to reply. At that late hour of the
night he would not detain the House by many observations. His
sole object was to rescue himself from some imputations which had
been cast upon hint in the debate by an Hon. Bart. and the Member
for Knaresboroagh. It had been said that lie had made a false states
meat of the two cases which he had brought fanned to illustrate
the interference of the Catholic Association with the administration
of justice. An Honourable Baronet had charged him with keep-
ing
back some circumstances in the case of the euldier tried before
Mr. Blackburne, which tended to spew that he walnut uneointovc- '
ly acquitted ; and with concealing the fact that Mr. 'Backbone,
u; on the trial, told Mr. O'Gorman, the prosecutor, that he
approved of all Ws proceedings. If he did say so-1 he
told the prosecuting Counsel that he approved of the mild-
ness and temperance with which he had cordected his
accusation, that does not aster the proceeding itself—that does'
not take away front the ortgnal sin of interfering with the due
a Int ieistration of justice. '1 ite Honourable Gentleman who *peke.
last, had asserted too, that it was not known what the magistrates .
sa'd—it was not his duty to be present—but he knew the t With
unanimous: and in proof of it. he mould read Mr. lack.
t
towne's Report.—" It stated. that the trial lasted seveh Aim
that the aohler was acquitted by a bench of forty-three tSagis
trates unanimously, and that the evidence disclosed a foul
and malignant conspiracy to criminate the soldier. In the
other case, he had stated that a man had been tried far mar.
der, end that the Judge, in pronouncing his acqu'atal, had pro-
nouneed him not only innocent, but worthy of commendation.
This has been met by an assertion, that he was acquitted on account
of a question of the lit-mentor's Counsel being disallowed. Such a'
statement could only be supported by imputing corruption to Baron j
31•Clefland. a Judge universally known for his reprobarion.of
Orange principies. In a case of misdemeanor too, before the same
Judge, it had been said, that a man had been found gulty
upon doubtful evidence. Here, then, was a case to prove
the utility of the Association. if this man had been in-
nocently condemned, how comes it that months hate
elapsed without the slightest interference, and that, ton, In
a case fittit g for its interposition ? Has the Itriaoner, If an-
justly condetnned, ever called for a revision of hts sentence from'
the usual tribunals? No, not one trord had been heard of it.
The Honourable Gentleman concluded by observing, that be bad'
said thus ranch solely in his own justification.
Mr. V F:S EY FITZGERALD said, a pert of the delay, in the
case of the soldier, proceeded front the Magistrates having taken'
the opportunity of such a numerous assemblage to take into con-
sideration the Insurrection Act. _

The House then divided, w hen there appeared— •
For lean: to bring in the Bill . - 278
Against it . . . - 123

Against it - 15.3
31r. BROUGHAM then proposed that a delay of one h►e!k
should he allowed, to give the Catholics an opportunity of being
benrd by Counsel at the Bar, against the Bill.
Some conversation took place between the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman and Mr. PI:EL, and it w.tc finally agreed that the 11111
should be real a tirst time to-night. end a second time on Monday
rest, and that there should be a call of the !louse on that day.
The House then adjournctl at Fouls o'CL oc TI: ts 3loaNtlrG.

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Ineltio 4 `ltc. had %Sad the names of a Blackburn, arpflier' -ktothodr, at a Indio 111111Wolialt against them, and as a ground friend to that measure, sent his so . to the Catholic A lalesist. they had
*
and of St who was tbdwere
r chief, and much eidillt hamd:' Emiwatistesardsdf. ' sod ettastke. If they had said in anon, a Committee was' 'appointed ' Se him, and in the MS year 1778
lauded, lu:tithe:re had bean an extraordinary degree of thyme to' ' ",bytehre iw.you beer to Orangetufels" we should then was stated that however they
noldolt. ... la 1782 an
mentioning.thS name of Mai who presided at this trial. Sad rests' hese sad_thartag amid lulu beau the vary. height of hypo- as an individual, they had der dile which t
refused the tiillotion base pm. But he ahoold, in fairness sad% erilll, ealdthre.(llllolll.Atharn) shOuld certainly himself have turned aloof froth all political quationa:' reedmillollitimoi- odill tilarms ; ate
candour to that Learneetleatan (laughter), name hie. He away frail ivaieb uletaiceable disgust. It vas not Christian-like patio° and the redrew cf Irish ' (Hs Mitt So was there was o
si-ould not carport him to the two animals which had bearrelluded to bare soy ma% aor,io express that hatred, but was it unnatund much for the charges made against !Bt and up.os doe House, not .b 3
lailitatigpm h
to by a lfqoaurable Henderran, for he had not the cunning of the thstentelta ao expression rather, should have esraped the confidence which should be libidli tipseit on orlamity, which
one, not the decithy of the other. Those were not the spedities of theme Irbeldkaleill they were all ahout to be put down by which his Ilajestyt Ministerspounded 'olllllllmight VI. dm flowoe, not I
Mr. Baron M'Clelland, who presided on that occasion, That was ansdar eaiit aupooos,Oriaage soeffaure, to which they might trace new be permitted to aey a word the sttbjele of shit Boa Nair tomato nor by th,
the Learned Judge who tried the Cause and refused to wroth the all their selethissesed diet a law was by that party about to be Ganticmac opposite (Mr. Canning.) The Right Hon. Bentley its statesmen--lie calk
question to be put to the witness, as to the motive for MahoMing back procured wise i balker At people of Ireland. (Hear, had defended himself against two charges, which he (Mr. B. reflect before it was too
so material a feet as the one he swcre lost the trial. But not only was hear.) The .ditattassa dm Adverted to.. language It Z‘d reVet heard n:ade against him, aml to which he shaehd not a Bill which might stir
he (Mr. B. borne out by this Report in stating these things, and in which had aitioataioLostialowo boa mod by lioncurable Blau- . therefore refer. Its heard it objected to the Right Boa Sent. with new weapons. 0,
cbuging the Right Honourable SecretaryCH r. Goulburn) wits bers of dateMeeleat'.eddrlitt OW. Ito laid, thej would not like In high quarters,and he would now repeat the objectioe. thathsving glance of this mit•jutit
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