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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Northampton Paring &11, tbc Workhouse Bill, and
Ike Foreign Silk Sill, were read a third time 'tad pasted.
Mr. WELLISLIT Pot., moved, That an humble Ad.
dress be prtseeled In His Majesty, to alter and amend
the Court of Record of Ireland, and to amore the Majesty,
the Howse would make gaud an, est, a expeosts &Mulling the
same "—Agreed to.
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The Isle of Man Smuggling Bill passed through a Com-
mittee. The Report to he received no Muaday.
Sir Samuel. Rostrata' postponed his untsee respecting
Penitentiary Rouses, to Friday rest.
The Lowlaud of Scutlaud Distillery Bill passed through
• Committee. The Report to Ise retched um 31unsisy.
The Committee oo she East ludia Rseruits' Bill was post-
poned to Thuradny mat.
The Warehousing hill passed through a Ceninuttee. The
Report to Ire received ow Monday
Ansa Stasis Reynolds's Legacies Bill passed through *
Caminito. e The Report to be received ti-morrow
Sir JOHN Nrorgoar postponed his notice respecting the
Mao inc Pay I Mike, A.im Friday to Thursday.
Ilnlyhead Harbour Rill, the Machinery Exportation*
Bill, the Judge siihrocsie's Franking 11111, the Malt Rego.
Isteso hill, and the Flax Bounty Bill, wrry react a second
time, •11.1 °Mel ell 111. CUlllllllllllrd tominerrow.

A Mescage was %eta from the Lords, declaring t►eir went
to the Hankers' and Pr.llses* Bill, and•sereral private Bills.
Me Comm pnrseated a Petition frees the Car of Lon-
d- n, praying fur a Reform in Parlianiest.—Ordeied to lie out
thr table

Mr. BANNS presented • Prtitios trots the Mayor and
Freemen of eatiterroiry, in which was expressed air tr s'.-
heertinci• to the forme', Killion, presented by Cut Wardle ,
turd Ibrir ileteteitinatiou to support the present ritintimsita.
hon.

Colonel Kw ATCHEIVI L maured the Hone,, that thi- Peti-
tion was signed by the most respectahle men in and 'war
Canterbury, w►o had moat warmly objected to the Remota -
Item made is the flamer Treeing.
The Petition was ordered to lie os the table
(horrid GASCIITTIC 'het sale., he it • h•ratood it
was the intention of Mitioncrs to being forward some mottos
everting the ameitorattim of the sitaat•oa of th.; R•lnlar

Upon the motion of Mr Foserit,the Report of the Mob
Beer Bill was taken into further consideration. The amend-
meets were read a second time, and ordered lobe engrossed, -
and the DUI to be read a third time nu Monday, sad whited.
IRISH BUDGET. •
Mr. FOSTER said, that iu consequence of the desire that
had been expressed for the postponement of the considers.
lion of the Irish Budget, he would only propose that
night • resolution that would validate the Loan. The fur-
' Hier considaratiuu of the subject he would defer to Monday
next.
The House then went into a Committee of Ways and
means. It was voted Nhat a sum not exceeding cue million
four hundred thousand pounds, ;tumid be relent for Ireland,
at the isle of 1301. to the .8 per cent. fur every tool. sub-
scribed, and the usual allowance of tio,ixml. of the Lottery
fur Una year. The Report to he received on Monday.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The lions* went into a Committee of Supply, to which
were referred the papers respecting Queen Anue's Bounty,
and those refitting to Lord OrmiserEs Claim to Prizage. The
aum of 216,n001. was voted to His Majesty fur the purchase
of the duties on Buttery and Prisage; the Report to he
received on Monday.
A petition was presented from the Royal Exchange In-
surance Company, against the establishment or a new Ma-
rlow lusuillure Company.—Ordered to lie uu the table.
The Admiralty Register Bill was read a second lane and
committed; in the Committee it was read a first and second
time, and the Report received, and ordered tube taken into
further consideration on Thursday next.
COURT OF CHANCERY.
Mr. TAYLOR called the attention of the Home
to a subject of much weight awl Importance ; rt
was to consider of the rights of the subjects of
Great Britain to redress in the Courts of Justice.
Ile had long considered the sufferings of hii fellow-
creaturo-s, arising from the delay in the Court of
Chancery ; • fault of which that Court had been
univeroilly.and, from time immemorial, accused.
He did not mean to throw any reflection whattio
ever upon him who presided in that Court, upon
the Master of the Rolls, or the Magog in Chan-
cery. They had all exerted themselves with the
utmost ability for the purpose of removing the
cause of complaint ; but, unfortunately. their suc-
cess was by no mesas proportionate to their la-
bours. It waa vain and absurd to think that such
a uses of business as that with which the Court of
Chancery was filled.could berfficaciontly undertaken
by the Lord Chancellor, as it was a knout beyond
the efforts of human strength. The present Lord
Chancellor had indeed acted most vigorously in his
situation, and had sat more days in this Court and
in the House of Lord., than any of his predecessor,.
To the Noble Lord all praise was due. It sem un-
necessary for him to say more to convince the
House that be conceiver, $ high respect for that
Noble Parsonage, and thi.t his entering open the
preisent subject was by no means occasioned by a
dissatisfaction at his applying an effectual and im-
mediate remedy. It was the duty of the House
to consider the means of remedying .those evils
which were of so extensive a nature, and which, if
they could not be totally removed, could at least be
considerably alleviated. It was an old complaint
of the public, that the delays in the Court of Chan-
eery were beyond human expectation and human
selierance. But if this opinion, which MRS held by
those Rot concerned in the Court of Chancery, was
disregaMed or disbelieved, there was the testis
moil. the sad testimony, of those who were con-
cerned. The suitors iu that Court had to undergo
rill the miseries of suspense and of delay ; four or
five years was the time, at the expiration of which
a cause might be terminated. Upon the discus-
sion of the question for reform, it had been said that
the House of Comments was competent to remedy
evils of very enormous mature ; and he could nut
call te hid mind one which demanded so imme-
diate and entire a cure, as that of which he now.
and of which the country had always complained.
But the delay in Chancery was not the wily to-
pic of his disapprobation. In tho House of Lords.
as well as in that Court, the delay almost amounted
to a denial of justice to the subject. When it was
considered, that, within no very remote period, the
business of the Court of Chancery had been in-
creased five-fold; that of 140 mums, but five or six
were heard each term ; rio rational 'person could
suppose. that the continuance of such a system
would be patiently endured by the people. more
especially when a remedy could be applied. He
bad in his possession n irtror, train which it would
appear to the House. that appeals, which welt now
in the I.ords, could not be supposed from their pre-
sent progress, to be heard within these eight years.
The number of appeals which stood at the corn.
meneement of the present Session, were '205,
to which, during the Session, the iinnther of 64
had been added, making up the number of Stilt.
Upon the most fair calculation, these could not all
lie heard in lees then seven or eight year.. In the
Courts of Criminal Law, in every other Court, the
decision was instosituicons, in comparison with the
iSiOn in the Court of Chancery. This was not.
as he said before, to be ascribed to any of moor pre-
siding in the Court ; but to whatartevi r cause it was
to he imputed. sett immediate anti systematic
change was indispensably necessary. But as it the
bonne,* to which the Lori Chancellor was la and
to attend was net seifficient, appeals born the Curl"
niisioners of Benkruptcy were ipperudded. Ap-
peals of this kind should not be t ode to that
not acend ft the bulk of
Court, even of it hail n
beginner's with which it we. every day occupied. He
then mentsoecil mosey instances of the delays in
• Chancery. Afi tend of his had been for some time
invelved in ?some cause in that Court, and vr:s
obliged to go to the East babes. but having rOO
stilted his Soliciter prerielosly upon the propriety of
his doing so, whip the cause was pending, he was
told, that if he eiod.l return in ishatit fire years, his
hotline's, midst lie 'mailtilted. 'With respect et
the House of Lords, the delay there, he could also

rote; two elsi'erlyladies had got judgment in their
favour in the Court of King's Bench ; a writ of
error was immediately issued. and they remained in
law fur the space of 3 or 4 years, in a state of melan-
choly privation. He hoped and trusted that the
House would enter into the consideratiou of this
important subject; sad moved " That a Committee
be appointed to inquire into the srrear of causes
remannug for trial in the Court of Chancery, and
to report the same to the House, with their opinions
thereupon. And also into the number of Appeals
to the House of Lords, and the ‘Writs of Error
waelog tin judgment."
Sir Aimee Pleceerr saiii, he was convinced his
Hon. Friend had been induced to make the pre-
sent motion by his anxiety for the public welfare ;
but :is he did not see that it had, in the least de-
gree, a tendency to effect any object of public
good, he would advise that the motion should be
withdrawn. He highly praised the conduct and
exertions of the Lord Chancellor, who had •ever
remitted in kis exertions to facilitate the business
of the Court. Ile was the mere free to my this, as
he was not personally acquainted with the Noble
Lord. He was equally willing to do justice to
the Master of the Rolls and the Masters in
Chancery, who had also acted with the must
unremitting assiduity. Ile slid, that the reason
why more causes had not been tried in the
Court of Chancery, woe, that the form of the
Court had been altered ; many causes being ter.
minated its coasequruce of milers. This price
tice redounded much to the credit of those who
hail the presidency of the Court; as causes which
could not, according to the nature of things, be
ter:ninated speedily in Court, were decided almost
in a moment, and to the great satisfaction of those
concerned. The delay: in the Court of Chancery
were tint owing to the Lord Chancellor. but, in a
great measere, to the suitors themselves, who threw
the blame upoo the Conn. Some remedy might
indeed be necessary to be applied, on account of
the increase of business io the Court ; but surely
Cie means which his Hoe. Friend had proposed
were not calculated to effect it. No progress could
be male is a Committee at this advanced period of
the session, upon the subject. At all events, the
persons who (did there exist a necessity for such a
remedy as was hinted et) should apply fur it, were
those under whole eye the business anil iininediate
coocerns of the Court were directed and performed.
lf his Hon Friend should withdrew his motion at
present, he would not be exempted from bringing
forward that or any other at the next session, when
there wouldeexist a more reasonable hone ellects
iog an improvement.
The Citecettoi of the EXCIICQV R 'aid, that
ke knew, from a co:niaiiiiication he ha i hod with
the Nislo:4 Lord who pr tided over that Court, that
he had turned his mind to the subject ; it was,
however, too late its the session to do any thing at
present.
Mr. M. A. Tavt.oa then consented to withdraw
hi. motion, wishing it, at the same time, to be un-
derstood, that if proper steps were teat taken to rea
meaty the evil, he would renew it early next Session.
The motion Was then withdrawn.
CATHOLIC QUESTION.
Mr. Peanut?. moved the Order of the Day for
resuinieg the adjourned debate upon the subject of
the Roman Catholic Petitions.
Sir Wi LTA eat SCOTT then addressed the House,
but mu so low a voice as to be with difficulty under•
stood in the gallery. Ile begun with declaring his
ouinion as most decidedly against the motion of
the Right Hon. aintlemau opposite (Mr. (;rattan).
to whose splendid eloquence he paid a just tribute
of applause. Tke Right Hon. Gm•leinan had
said. that religion was a suhjert which had no con-
nexion with politics, and which, therefore, should
be considered independent of the Civil Power;
bur, in the same sp. rch, he admitted, that political
attachments might justify political interference.
This was the ground upon which the Legislamie
had proceeded with respect to that body. That
part of the Right lion. Gentleman's speech, which
related to the religious contests lii Ireland, lie should
decline contesting; he was not sufbc:ently ac-
quainted with their history, nor was it a subject
upon which he won't,. dwell with any satisfaction

•
to his feelings. One question, however, he would
pot upon the subject, was, the Right lion. Gentle-
man prepared to assert, that all the calamities to
which that unfortunate country was exposed, were
owing to the effects of Protestant aggression ? It
was not fair that all should be forgotten upon one
stile, and all recorded in brass and marble on the
other. He would leave it to the Howie itself to
determine how far forgetfulness was in any case a
safe means of legislation, • or a proper key to the
diacritni tation of right and wrong in the de-
cision of tyay particular question. The Peti-
tions which hail been prevented to the Ilouse,
contained no qualifications or conditions; that
qualifications and conditions were necessary was
no recent discovery ; but even if it was, perhaps
the situation of the Pope was such as to, account
for it. upon clear principles, anti to prove the neces-
sity of-it at the prevent time. The difference in the
situation of the Pope was, that before he was •
willing slave, but now lie was. slave of necessity ;
he wore the chain--(llear).—There was no security
proport.d in the petitions against his interfereoce ;
what then was the Committee to do. were they to
try their luck upon the prioc'ple first, and then
leave it to chance of what description the security
should be, or whether they should have any a,-
curity at all ?--Illeer, hear, from the Ministerial
side).-..The Right Hon. Gentleman himself had
mentioned is security--domestic nomination; but the
Petitions did not mention it, they were silent upon
the subject; and, as for as the House had any
grounds to form • conjecture of their inclinations
(towards such a proposition, they, must argue from
the rejection. of the veto to the rejection of this.
Whet right had they to suppore that domestic no-
mination wroth' be received more favourably, than
the proposition of the rem? Was there not every
reason to conclude otherwise. He wished that the
Right Hon. Gentleman had been more explicit
upon this point, theit he had stated what he
meant by domestic nomination ; was it nomination
by the Bi.ln.pa, Of lay the lay part of the commu-
nity ? did he think, or would any oat think, that
either would he Recephablea, when either must
amount to a systematical departure front the doc-
trines of the Church of Rome. It was ono,' this
ground that the vela was rejected; nould it tmt

operate still Inure strongly upon a still wider de-
parture ? In his opinion it would go to shoulder
he sovereign Pontiff entirely out of-the business,
That there were many initsibers of that Cnurch, as
well as of every other, who were iiiclined to relax
the doctrines, or to use a more fashionable phone,
to liberalize them so far as to inert the present
occasion, he did seot doubt ; it was to be con-
sidered, however, that they were not the lights
of that 'Church, and that though they might
determine for their own consciences, they could
not for the consciences of others, nor fur the con-
duct of the Church in general. Doctor Milner,
whose intrepid sincerity in the avowal and support
of his opinions, he commended, was a surer guide,
and strouger authority. upon this head. lie had
told them, in plain terms, the feeling of the Catho-
lics upon such points. Ile had said, that "to
attempt to disconnect theta front the Bishop of
Rome, was to attempt to divide the head from the
members of the Church." He Sir %V. Scott)
would be glad to know what hope they could have,
that the Catholics would abjure se4ritital al-
legiance, and do what wool., bee in effect, to
declare that they were not Catholics ? But
supposing that they were inclined to come to
such an arrangement, he would be glad to know
how it was to be dune, while the Pope remained to
custody; was it to be effected, a literals; tepee
run ?" was Bonaparte to be applied to for his con-
seot ? was he to be asked to permit the Sovereigu
Pontiff to authorise an arrangement, which would
take from France the hope of influencing the Irish,
through the median. of their rele:ion ? It never
could be carried Mtn effect; but suppose it could,
were all the difficulties then removed ? would there
exist no longer any reasons, why the Protestriit, or,
as they called it, the Non-Catholic Govertiment,
should resist tiler claims? He ascribed the greatest
influence to the I lierarchy of the Ca holm Church,
and coutended, that spiritual power was capable of
being used as a temporal engine, which might be
wielded with the must overwhelming effect. Ile
was sure that the security would riot be given coil-
sistently with their doctrines and tenets, and that if
it was, it would not be sufficient. For these reason*
lie felt himself called upon to give Lis decided ne-
gative to the motion ; which, he was persuaded,
would not be acceptable to those for whose satis-
faction it was proposed, if accompanied with such a
condition.

Sir Joao breWears. began with observing. that
every time this motion was brought forward, its op-
ponents were under the necessity of changing their
ground. At one time the coronation oath was in.
meted on as the greatest obstacle, at another the
conditions and provisions with which it was to he
accompanied, presented the difficulty. To the
coronation oath, though it was now abandoned for
a time, he should cal: the attention of the House.
When Gentlemen resorted to it as an argument
against the granting of the Catholic Claims, they
would do well to consider the circumstances under
which it was made ; the great names of Somers, of
Lyttleton, and llainpden, had taken part in the de-
bate upon it ; and it was accompanied with a pro-
viso that no King should be considered as plee. d
against making any alterations which might be nee
cessary to the welfare and security of the Protest-
ant Church. But now they objected against
going into a Committee, they objected 'Ramat
considering how they might redress three mitlions
of His Majesty's subjects, because the suggestion
of his Hon. Friend did not appear practicable: The
Committee was the place to determine the practica-
bility of , the suggestion, as well os the practicabi-
lity of affording the redress.- The question was,
then, whether they would arm so great a portion
of the force of the nation, and unite the minds and
hearts of all religions in the defence of thee com-
mon country, in this moment of peril ? The peti-
tioners preyed for redress; they stated their loyalty
and attachment to the public interest, and claimed,
upon that ground, • release from restraints and dis-
ahilities, imposed under particular circuintitanees.
which hod now ceased to exist ; they prayed not for
any new privileges, but far the restoration of old
ones; and the House should recollect. that a Protra's
ant Ooveninieut existed before they were deprived of
them. How then could it be said that disquali-
fications were necessary, under all circtimstencee,
to the maintenance of the Protestant Church ?
God forbid that it should lie necessary to rest it
upon such a principle. that the Established Religion
should be contracted incompatible with the liber-
ties of so great • portion of the community. The
true policy of Government would be to let the
Catholics look forward to the high situations
which' each profession afforded. They could not
expect to acid • Marlborough among the Cntho.
un'il they gave them an expectation of rising
to his rook ; they etttild not expect the energy of
ambition, without affording a prospect or • possibi-
lity of its glory. When they looked to the Cohn-
lies in other countries, they could appreciate their
merits, and celebrate their exploits. They could
admire a Hittite arid so O'Donnell, but they did not
consider the consequence or driving such men from
home, and compelling them to become the orne-
went, of other nation.. In what part of Europe bail
they opposed the power of France, in which they
did not find Irish Catholics contending in the fume
cause ? Where was if that the Usurper had tint
met an enemy, and a breve one, hi those doubted,
disqualified individuals? Look alsotu the Bar: there,
ton, they had shut them out from honour; although
he doubted not but they would find some difficulty
in poitititig out the danger resulting to the state
from their becoming King's Counsel or Serjeatitt.
As to the army and the navy, the system was
the same ; they admitted them into the service, hot
there was no career for them to run ; they were
stepped short in the very commencement ;
service was permitted by law in Ireland, but only
tolerated by sufferance here. ( Hear, bear.) They
had more than this to complain of; they were &-
barred in some instances from communication with
their spiritual instructors; they were forbidden by
the Commanding Officer in Sicily to hold any
correspondence with them; and the Commsoding
Officer himself bad declared that it was not from
clay objection to the characters of their clergy,
but upon general principles: What then, he would
sek, could they expect from men treated in
smelt a manner? could they expect any non
tit in • languid passive oh:alleles.. destitute of
that spirit and energy which constitute the glory
will the stability of stations ? They had pursued

the Catholic into every profett,ion end situatio #
of hie, with the same excluding ob,tratting system ;
nay, to such a pitiful length had they carried it,
that they prevented him front becoming Sheriff.
,or
Sit'u-stieritf. Many oldie penal law, as tinst Catlieu
lies in Ireland were done away by the glowing liber-
ality nftheirProtestant brethren, but theGovernnient
ought to proviute that they should not be -indebted
to mercy for what they claimed from justice. The
r;overninent haul also n accred piedge to re lilstse.—
Mr. I'ttt had declared, after the Union, that, how-
ever prudence inigiit dictate the withholding them,
while Irtland had a separate Legis!ateno, the ex-
tension of the few realauning tights ought he grant-
ed them with perfect innocence. Such was the laa-
gunge of Mr. Pitt; yet this was the tenth year
since the p.:st:in4 of that measure, and the few re.
'naming rights were still withheld with as ranch
pertinacity as before. If it was thought that cons
ditions should be annexed to the grant, they
should state the conditions. They were net call-
ed upon for any new rights, but fur a renewal
of old ones; and it became them well to con-
sider whether, in the piesent state of thing-,, it
*as not necessary that the a hole force of the
country slioahl be embodied. Such was his con-
fidence in the loyalty of the Catholics, that he did
not think eve° a persuitunice in the some coarse
could alien de their atfections ; bat tt could nut be
expected tit it they would feel the same euthusirstn,
in favour of a Constitution which they did not lully
participate, with those whit were aelinittuAl to all its
benefits; it was nut in human Lome. It had beet,
stated, that the priviteci a applied fur were indif-
ferent to the people at large, tie they affected only
the higher classes of that persuasion. To such uu
assertion, lie should reply, in the language of the
people themselves, to the Irish Parliament. with
which he should conclude. To that Parliament,
they had stated, that " the withholding of them ass
an insurmountable harrier, a hid) divided the
people, and that the want of them was the
want of a bl. sing, for which there was no C 0111111.111•
Takla."

Lord CASTI.EREAGTI thought it unneceesary to.
state his °lronton to the House upon the Kriteria
principle of this question; the extension of those
privileges to the Catholics, coupled with a security
to the Established Religion, was an act which lie
con-idertd calculated to produce the best effects.
He lied opposed the further extension of tins
while Ireland had a separate legislature ; and had
even felt it his unpleasant duty to vote against
grautiug them the elective f anehise. It appeared
to him that it was *opted upon both sides in
extremes. The only question was, whether the
presumable extent to which they could hod their
way bin, the Legislature, was likely to involve to
danger the religion of the state? Ile could hut
separate the Catholic from any other dissenter ; and.
wit bout bringing any charge against either of them,
be might be permitted to Pay, that they could not
be so much attached to the Established Church as
those who professed the Established Religion. The
Protestant Church he considered united with the
Constitution, and likely to involve it in its floe. It
would be proper for them, therefore, to inquire.
whether they would hive sufficient power to protect
it against all dissenters, Protestant and Catholic ?
It was, he showed, grating to be excluded front
tr velling the course of ambition ; and he wished
t eat proper securities could be given, and the
insainire adopted, which would forbid all exclosiim.
—Hr did hope, that at the Union this might
be done; and though his Right Honourable
Friend, now no more (Mr. Pitt) had declared him-
self favouralile to it also, he had never cousidered
it as a measure of simple coneession. The Hen:
Intranet (Sir John Newport) in his quotation, had
overlooked this expression. that " whatever course
was taken, the Union would be a blessing to all."
Ile described the Hierarchy of .he Roman Cada( lie
Church of Ireland as snore po.verful in its nitlitelice
over the minds of the people, titan the Commit u-
tion or the Lew. anti more calculated to do evens ve
good, or extensive evil. It was right they should kkow
that theCatholie Hierarchy of Ireland was understood
to be inure allied to the Papal Power, now miller the
dominion of Fiance. than any other Catholic Hier-
archy in Europe (.4 try qf /19, 710.) it hail gluey'
heeit the policy of this island to exercise its power
in defending the Clergy against the see of Rome;
unfortunately, however, no such struggle was at-
tempted in Ireland. The 'Catholics ought to know,
that there was not a Catholic coantry in Europe
that did not shrink from foreign interposition I
even in Spain no intercourse was held with the See
of Rome, without passing through the temporal
authority ; it was so in Austria and in Frasier.
The Catholics were now pressing their claims upon
the legislatore without putting themselves in a sitar.
tion to obtain then). This contory might require such
securities from dim as the Catholics anther coun-
tries gave to their Governments. An Hon. Barr.
(Sir J. Hippisley) had stated correctly the other
night, that in 1799 an arrangement was set on foot to
make provision fur the Clergy of that persuasion,
Ur (Lord Castlereagh) thought that great evils re-
sulted from their poverty, which he and the (:o-
vernment were anxious to remedy ; they demanded
security from them, but not a direct iufluence.
All that was required was, that the Government
should know those whom they appointed, to judge
whether they were such persons as they would
object to. It appeared to hint, that at that
there was a disposition in the Catholic
Clergy to eon before the Goveritineet, in
acknowledging the policy and propriety of the
arrangement. They did not appear to him to he
jealous of the power required, or to considerit in.
consistent with the tenets and principles of the
Church. But this was only a small branch of the
arrangement intended by his Right Hon. Friend,
the whole of which he had not now time to explain.
It appeared to him that they should have no corn-
. munication with a foreign Court, that should not
pass under the eye of Government. The state had
endowed other dissenting sects, and when the propo-
sition was made in 179), the Pope was not
The whole essence of the question lay in thi 4. that
"whether the authority was ripiritual or femora 1.
should it lie in the See of Rome ?" The House
should know that Ireland was the must papnl ei.lio-
try in Europe, and depended more upon the Pope
fur its liberties than any other country
six distrieta in Ireland, as allowed by the Iftiii.
Mot. (Sir .1. C. liipiogley,) they avere govercwil by
the spirit of thc Collard of Treat—a Couucil cola-

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il ever did; io
thus habit
eriniraCvliaot::tiloinituct -41114.1:711„...,11
with the
beau iu
on his own is tithwity, attedeit.thlii:biewyPeasitheitailrote.tittats_
„,„1
the Clerey. He (Lord C. tad tilebithThi
an:tlinialZi'll•lertleleethttedClbtyr•lCYhiml e.A
care its .the Catholic imintries, use in Use Iwo
itgasted of the Catholic Churehes, the Otani
Stud it miss is power is hich ought to Ire aistioevlS
looked into by those who were at the Lead of of.
fans io the itate. Here be begged to elan! lAN.
"Luraeleurag"telfaiusine:l7tethibtnitligtratt:lieonliicknstr:ittlen"ditibi etttwohaelletestlYtHillitiet4:l;77:',..
lees might Mt bm granted to tire latter. ea
opmion ties tnatutnited by some, that it Weakt he
better to have en Episeopacy Li the iiish
hut that it sl•ould be ruodelicd after the system
the Netherlands. He was of a dill:emit neniisa:se
A Catholic Episcopacy eta less (finger :a4, *l4
more easily turned to the valley of the Own., flits
great bodies of Monsters, such an it ties
quireul the utmost skill in heverimrent to retiree-
A Catholic Episcopacy, in a stibmilimite degree is
the Established Chureh, might as weltesi.t in lh
laud, as the Presbyterian religion in Stotiaiet._s.
After having said so much on the general
he would now say atimething on the charge east
had been mien surged, that she public NM, anal
moter.tastiliiig held out at the Union, tete
violated to the Irish Catholics. In speaking sio
this point. he trusted Ciumeemen wool.l lay tante sit
party feehtig, which, ins argutueot ugliest a ortru
tical °Amnesia, often had rl very Its:Stlremoseffit%
upon the public mind. He haul to state oiatiottiv,
that n t exolaindiceis were matte lit tieverruneno
at the time of tit Union, of their inteetions,
ts-
thee thsu to provide for the Cuttrolic Clergy. Tins
never engaged to propose the Catholic (4:testis%
or p %Y.* it fill the Legislature. The piiiisiole pa
woes as Mr. Pitt, Lord Contwallis, and I,r, t:tel!
was, that it would be better to make sity
tooLiessions to the Catholics, es uniting from the
go id-will of their Protesti.nt brethren, than
allow them as the results of any previous armlet,
fiends. lie did not mean to say there mieht eat
be strong impro.sions oh the Catholic to od, Csalt
some relief would he the cousetpience of tetutoor
sure ; but this arose merely from the elf. et of,ss
traueous circumstance% and not from an suer,
standing milli a Government r.ldett invtrt.'oll, n• 9
them that their claims would be left ie the foe
discussion and decision of the Imperial Padistilee:.
The imugnage held by Mr. Pitt ilkd
the reverie of any thing to commit the toeers.•
ment ; and, in' no conversation that .1..1- lie
I e d with the Chiefs of the Catholics, del he ectr
state, previous to the Vnioni drat nil)'
their favour would be taki;i ; and ii wi. not nti
Mr. Pitt retired tram otlice, on the Queviao, lire;
the Catholics could know, even from specelsino.
what his sentiments were. if one party ei&rtywel
hopes that the Union would be favourable to sir
clouts, another party held actually obstinate opo
nions-s-that it would be the reverse. 'I lie Noble
Lord, in support of what he had thus advanced,
entered into a detailed account of the conespends
mice en the subject between hum Mr. Pitt, anti
Lard Cornwallis. and of two publicatians of that
•Nobleineu ; deducing from them all; that no es-
peci•tions were ever held out by Cloveratuent to
the Catholics at the time of the titmice. listing
stated tlst.ne 'enctnustances, he 'repressed • hellos
that after this explattatiou rio !cellos, of acriastioy
would ever tempt to a repetition of Inch chargers
which were nut only unfounded, but culeolated
to create di sension said ill-blood in Ireland. Woo
the ortient occasion his vole would he withal
ever bee i. Ile hail always thought .that much ire
jury wis done to the Catholic Cause, by agitahno
the question at improper periods. Throe, tie was
couvrneed, that many system,tic opooseis to it
had been treated by its frequent intruittetnut snit"
the Union. Nut but that discussions sumo
be a Ivantageous ; and if the Boman Calirhis
would make the concessions the% night 0.11 Ins".
for the goOd of the State mid their own lanun‘ •
(hear,) he trusted when the matter was so /fell
understood. it would have a prosperous leer.
He paid a compliment to the moderation with
which the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
(batten) had. no the present, sod every other moss
Won, brought forward this question; but yet it was s
bad way so bring it on so often as to give Gentle*
men a Milk of opposing it. By this means till
cruse had been injured. He could concrtro
nothing more di•couraging thin tile
of the
tote h uistaimbl4rielotu Honourable
Ftr ea( ; question, and
h(eo.its'easto.t:
wnany plane
the
rflitraeonintt
the
subjecte
thuour authority any
tui,
re
sdifictom:d.rtl....
l ow
ruttier, ott such an incision, to go into the detail. of
a meesure or which the groundwork sal 110 i owl:
Wised. In this question both sides were in is unto
lino to till Bath other great trutlrs, on the suide..
ct
of the concessions mutually to be made for ils

purpose of bringing about -a
polities! union. la
IliS opinion the measure was age. Provided the ne"
cessory allowances and protections were sgreid cia
In time the Catholics might eapect any thins 1.,ri1"
the liberality of the Protestants. if theyy. took Intr..'
steps, calculated to eclise, the convictions of 'twit
minds. In another quarter be could tlefef tObsClit
to press the question; and. as a bare measure, c''
consistent with the safely of the country, lie cowl'
vote against i.s going into a Coosaiiltre.
Sir JOHN C. MPH/MST. Ia explanation, stem/
the nature of the six districts, which obeyed lee
spirit of the Council of Treat.
Mr. LAMB% dull not know whether this's% the
most fitting time to press the guestioal but this i 4
knew, that a little longer delay would be thedi-
slraction of the country. lie put it to the Learil':
Judge (Sir W. Stoll} whether it was fair in him. Wl'''
his own greet authority. and hacked with that "1
the University ofpxforil, to talk in the %agile win'
nee he had dronee of iliiii,,,crs arising out of iel
measure! irscl of checks to be imposed. trillion T:
iirlog where these dispAers were to conic. ci r ,:i'
checks could he applisd ? It .... ..,,i the ,1.-7. -
la, side of the Mime saw no dung.:. or '
doubted itswournis wber ever doubie I stn! ow:.


of having a religion of a different kind from
that established in the country, to such an
extent', and in such a condittoti, as the Catho-
lic Religion in Ireland ? For himself, he slim,.
and night when he thought of it .
dared day
what were the dahgers of
But the question was not,
this religion, but what dangers could arise from the
removal of these restrictions? Would it not he con.
ceded to hits, that. if the smut Vl°lloll6 were wanted
to the Catholics, they would join heartil) indelence
of the country ? He begged of them to sysispatlii.s
with Ireland, and wiih the feeling.; of Irishmen ; sir
look back to history, and they ould see that what
they imposed upon eland—a heretical clergy, US I t
WO in the eyes of tee people—vras the very griev-
ance they themselves restated in many of their nu,-
welts, and for which they expelled one of them.
The acquiescence of the Irish People its this, cer-
tainly not without Irequeut coolosutions, was
proof that they were tint that stiff-itecked, stub-
born, end rebellions generation, they were retire-
mated to be.—Dist what mischief coati' the taking
sway the restrictions 410 I—lt could hot give their
clergy m v greater influence, or afford them any
additiotial power--ror could it be supposed, toat
giving cite Catholic a fair prospect of honour
sod reward, would helot e him to join a foi
Police, in order to destroy those who opened
to his eyes this fair viea. As for what had
beta said relative to the propagation of the
Protestant religion working this change, it was
ant, much as he desired it should. calculated for
such ail egret. The march of reason in the human
reuid ir.is slow ; and, if that was to be looked to us
the termination of their troubles, to the finite
man the proseription appeared eternal.
As fur the propagation of the Cath,dic Religions it
al, aril 'mown that a rel.ginu mode inure converts
under peraicution than when counteuaneed by law.
Ile believed 'wither the one nor the other would be
riiavel or impeded by removing the restrictions.
the *abject of' the Veto, he felt it difficult to
decide, and it was with apprehension he touched
I.'llo delicate a point. From all the considerations,
however, that he had been able to give the matter,
he could nut help thinking this measure too ur-
gent to be delayed on any objectiou that could
arise about the Veto. Ile was unwilling to notice
any part of the Hon. and Learned Judge's speech,
wdhout approbation; but he considered the part of
it, which noticed the conduct of the English Catho-
lics, as calculated to render conciliation incite diffi-
cult. It was unnecessary to enter into all the ad-
rantages to derived from Catholic Emancipation.
Let Comdtmen consider the sacrifices that Ireland
had made for mein. Why could riot they meet
this With a correspondiug sacrifice ou their liana?
The utmost iiccesinty existed for union. Look at
the state of Europe, concentrated and contented
uniLr the dominion of one man. Look at hit
'monstrous resources—his Ponces ready to obey
him—his numerous arinies—bis experienced Ge.
ueralt. Could they look without awe anti adtuira-
titbit at this volcan,„ entrusted, for • while, with
power to scourge the earth ? He was aware
that he did not take the popular side on this ques-
tion. Those upon the other side might enjoy it
MT himself, he spoke not for popularity, but for
protietly, bandy, and lilwrty,—( Hear, Asap./—He
had coudeinned Ilinistcrs for their ill-couduated
expeditions, yet they might hive plausible urge-
ineats fur them; and the great ground of his oppu.
mown to them was this, that they were pledged not
to tale aay wasuces to ecnciliate the people of
tetrad.

ht W .SCOTT explained.
General Sis farm. viewiog and considi ring the
greshos as he had always done, would have little
to add to the able speeches that had been made on
0CC4400. lie did not coincide in the rtritiln
aseolation of the two. The penal bias were the
foundation of the wineries--.they were the founda-
tion of the dangers of this country, and ought and
toast be repealed.—The best pionf of the opinions
Omen on this head, was to be found in the Pro..
testauts of Irelanol, who were unanimously in fa-
vour of Catholic Emancipation. It was a must im-
portant question, as it not only embraced the in-
terests of Ireland, but of Great Britain, sod of the
world. In it lay the decision, whether we should
be a great, free, and independent state, or be ut-
terly subverted ? For he was sure, were this claim
rejected, and Ireland, as it had been for 600 year.,
w"ce the time of Henry VIII. governed with
cruelty, tyranny, and oppression, the consequence
mast be the loss of the country. Yet let Gi u-
Beaten be warned by.example. The instruments
if cruelty to Ireland, in former blurs, had found out
their errors too late, and, at last, instead of coercion,
recommended kindness and universal toleration.—
After eercising the utmokt cruelties that human
nature catild mama.° afflict maiskirol, they had
hood that every act of oppression only plunged_
theta the deeper in resistance end horror. This
ass uo wviertiun of his own, but proved from his-
tory...pier, the Iliciounible Gentleman read, from
Non ..un'a History, and fnon a letter from
Lord Vendors to Mr. Secretary Cecil, in the reign
of Queen Elisabeth, an account of horrible
enielties exercised on the liish people, and recom-
mending the adoption of comiliatoty measureq—
Centlemen were not to think that such things had
not hoppeael snore the reiyin of Queen Elia Meth.;
for to bis own poisons' knowledge, practice s ryua4ly
Cruel sod barbarous had been practised in DAM°
"„"rlaulaY trans of the country, under the reign of
..eigge 111. and in the year 1798. There. and at
Viet tune, be NM honest, industrious, innocent men
ll^lltged from their homer', their 'rives and families
----borne off to prison—tar without law or trial hurried
to the triangles or halberts erected in the Exchange
of DohliD, the Eagle-yard, Beresfortrs Riding
School. and Sandys' Pecan, and tied up, flol44edr
lacerated, tortured, and half-hanged. Where
t's then Magna Charts and the Bill of Right,*lath declared that the subject should not lie
mini:died without a trial by his Peers or the
r of the Laud T Ile lied see, hundreds of bodies
Imulled, half-naked, and dead in the fields and
ttehes—the fathers butchered—the mothers vto-
the .i.iters sod daughters, nay, the vet y
ellilarr° of 1" yew* of age, polluted by a mixed
of laelegar
t,les iery, consisting of English fen-
Tit
" and (ami soldgo eerseasties.--1 Hear. hear
too, was under the reign of Lord Cianden,
nos • Miniitai of the Crown, • Privy C"""
and Secret Adviser to His Majesty.—
Meg,, hew. hear I—lt wigs, after all these bog-

rors, that Mr. • Pitt, like the Statesmen iu the
reign of Queen Elizabeth, found out, that it ass
time to advise conciliatory measures, lenity, and
Catholic Eateneipatioa. Lord Camden was re-
called. au I Lord eoruvrallie appointed to succeed
him, Ishii soon restored tranquillity to the country.
lint this act of oblivion mid reutiseion wu. noel'
lire ken threngli, and 40,000 Inert were added to the
precediug cold butcheries. ! After all this, the
Iri•h were true to their King and their couutry.
Would then tiny oue say, idler three utuleniable
facts, that the Irish were it people not to be trusted,
—( cries of hear. hear, hear,)—or entitled to the
advantages of our glorious Constitution ? Would
they continue to persecute 4,000,000 of their fel.
low-anbjects, front whom was made up one-huS of
their army, and one-half of their neve—made up
too of men of undoubted bravery, a hose conduct
against the enemy, though they acre of the seine
religion, was es rt. as gtillaut as could by ituseitied.
lie would now supplicate the House to grant
what they now asked ; if they did nut, he would
viols be ready to demand it. The Him. Gentlemen
theu adverted to the treaty of Limerick, which he
contended had hewn grossly violated within 4 months
eller it, couclusion ; and lest the usual ignorance
of the House on Irish eulijects should be pleadt din
excuse on this occasion, he at once shortly elanntd
from them to be restored to what privileeee they el.-
joyed in the reign oiCharles 11. Wily should not
Irishmen have these rights ? There were none mere
loyal, brave, or desert iiig. If they refused a claim
so just, they would repent it ill itiouniiiig over Ilia
ruins of the country—destroyed by their menus.—
For, if they persisted la their scheme of granting I
no rebel t 'lreland. whateivould he the coris:eptence
of invasion ? Invasion, too, most certainly take place
as soon as the conquest of Spain took. place, eliich
no malt could now doubt weeld very speedily be
achieved. Then, with Ile, is at ,Vigo, Comeau, 1
Ferrol; and other ports, a few hours' sail from the
shorts of Ireland, they must look fur fearful coo-
sequences. if they did not take meets to wine the
people. He tumid nut stop to inqiiire what, kinds of
fleets these were ; they would be sufficient to sub-
vert Ireland, and detach her front Euglaucl, if they
took such 'elms to have her population aerated
against them. Of what did this populatisn con.
mist? As it appeared from the testimony of 'mit-
re' of the persons, staled Directors, at the time the
rebellion was preparing in that country, it amounted
to 300,000 men. ready to take up arms against Eng-
lend. Indeed these Direetorswanted no great siiil to
enable Ireland to deliver herself; &I they asked
front France for that purpose was 10,000 men, sod
40,000 stand of arms. If ever they were driven to
this extremity, they would free themselves from
F.egland, tied either become united to France, or
an independent state, under her protection. They
would then threateu and overthrow England.—rel
lorsgh.)—They might laugh now ; theeime woitl.l
come tl.ey iiould be sorry for it. By such a
change Ireland had every thing to gain and nothing
to lose—By it they would abolieh their penal
laws—They would get rail of tythes—.They would
pay off sixteen Millions of debt they owed England
—They would do away that worst tied most detest-
alekt of all establishriteuts, the Lieutenantcy of
Ireland—They would get free from the system of
Peusimis and Sinecures— They would. as they
were well entitled to do, from their soil and situa-
tion, hecoine the depot, unit uniy of Europe, but of,
bulls—They would 'eremite a military nation, either
on the plan of the old militia, or of yeomanry—
They would be free and independent—and against
them what could England do with her fleet,. ;it'd
armie 4 This was no vieitmary scheme ; it required
only 48 hours to carry it into effect, by a general
teeing of the people. They would soon seize
the depots cud arsenals, overcome tel resistance,
and keep the most valuable of them as hos-
tages. He believed from his soul that all this
was practicable, for they might get truth from
the wicked, and it was the account given by
these Directors, who had taken pains to ascer-
tain all that it was in their power to dn. For
himself he knew what he stated.—hie had better
information from Ireland than any nem in that
House. There was °sly another lion. Gentleman
who received such information; and lie had mut
mete any use of it for several years. The 300,e00
men was on the calculation of I in 13 to take tip arms,
and the number ofinhabimets might fairly be taken
et 6,000,0001. He then noticed the conduct
of Mr. Grattan and Mr. Ponsonhy, who he
thought had suffered themselves to be misled, eight
years ago. by the Secretary for Ireland, when they
suffered- the Insurrection Bill to pass. As they were
now informed by him of the tuisrepreseatallen on
which it was founded, he was sure their love of
their country would scrure him their assistance on
a future day, when lie should move fur its repeal.
There was no French party in Ireland at that
tinte; there was no French party io it now. The
only interest in the country wits oue he hoped
always to see is it—it was the Irish intertst.—
In this country lie trusted there would also ever be
an English party—a party that would never bow to
King., Lords. or Commoos, but stand or fall with
the Constitution. (Hear! Liar!/ With respect
to this grant being against the coronation oath, he
was sure. if the matter was fairly and openly laid
before His Majesty, he would never think it any
violation to consult so much the welfare of his
subj. cto. Three of the greatest men this country
ever saw, the illu.trions triumvirate of Pitt, Fox,
end Ilurke. they thought it no violation, and sup-
ported Catholic Emancipetion. But if it even was
a violation, let them repeal the present oath. and
frame • new one, more congenial to the spirit,
temper, and enlightened nature of the times. Had
not the Parliament of George 111. es good a right
to make this alteration as the Parliament of James
I. to frame the original oath ? As to the veto;
he was not competent to judge upon it, nor
would be give an opinion oe it. He would not set
up his opinion, were it hostile, spinet those of
four millions of men, who understood their own
religion better than any one else could do. He
could see no oheection to the present measure; and
evenafbe had object ions. he would sacrifice them, and
go with the gears. ?I body for emancipetios, with or
without the veto. lie then read the 'Tipperary it e-
imitations, recommending a domestic arrangement;
and impressed upon the House the necessity of at-
tempting this. lie thanked them for the patient
attentiou with which he had beets beard—called on
them to look at the interests of Ireland, as if they

were the interests of England, and then they would
Lc uni!ed, invulnerable, and aufe fro:n all fear of
int:llion. Ile concluded with an aninnted rtcapi-
tu,ntion of hi. twain arguments and injunctions
putt the Howie.

Lord deicatee said, as much as he omit,' wish
to conciliate the minds of his cou itry inea. and as
ioncli us lie regarded inUly hut viduais of the Ca-
tholic lteligiuo, he could nut give his support
to the in ohm. when he eausideied the tate rraulti-
tions that. hail been entered. hot) by the Catholic
Body in Dublin, the purp,rt of which was to deny
all Maui-lice of the Crown in the nopointmint of
their Bishops. Alter such re,olutiona being sent
forth to the world, he thouelit emancipation would
be dangerous ; and even if it was grente I, he
did not thick it would he of any immediate lemetit,
unless Gentlemen would live more upon their es-
tates, and amongst their tenantry. lie wished
some harrier was thrown on to prevent the wort of
all evils, the emigration of the Nobility and Gen-
try of Ireland. He concluded by saying, the tows-
tion should have his negative.
Mr. SHAW followed on the same side ; and said,
while they demanded couceission, he was sorry they
themselves were so-slow in conceding. lie would
give his decided vote lig thirst It.
Mr. Secretary Rance maid, he felt anxious to
state the grounds on which lie should give his vote
that night. Even those who were considered the
greatest clue:nylons of the question, oily, it Is ion-
po-s.ble to grant it without cnneesition—and the
Ceiholics Will not concede. When thus ipiestion
was brought forward too years a;;e, the Right Goo.
Gentleman (Mr. PoosoulaY) arclgredi that IlleT
were ready to give. the Cruerii is direct negative
in the appointiuent of their bishop.. lie milted him,.
then, who within bed I • ? and he answered, the ac-
credited vent of the Catholics (Dr. 'Milner). Tina
self same se, reirlited agent has since come forward
and declared he would lose his life before he would
coacede it. had not a doubt but the night Hon.
Gentleman was deceived; but he would Owls have
an opportunity of explaining. The day before the
present session, Lord Greiiiille puldisheil.st
let, when it was georrelly reported lie was to hate
been at the head of the Governinout, in atisaer to
the Catholics. lie would not take up the tinie of
the House with any arguments, but acouie-cad iu
those of the Noble Lord, for which reason he would
vote egaiust the present queaticm.
Lord Ducatha said, the motion should have
his support ; he was of opinion, that all Ms Ma-
jesty's sit' jeers, of whatever religious persuasion,
should enjoy the same rights aad privileges.
Mr. Po:isms- commenced, at the late hour of
twelve, a epeeeli so Leilliant, display iug s much
eloquence and argument, that even to attempt to
write it, at au protracted a period of the night, would
hr WI injustice, to that great orator. Adverting
to what the Hon. Secretary had said with regard
to his (Mr. Ponsonby's) beige authoeised by ate
accredited agent of the Catholic Bishop. to mike
proposals is their mine, he cleaned that such obse
'ration was founded in fact—lle had merely stated
that the Catholics were disposed to give the minim-
allot' of the bishops to the Crown, iu return for !how
full participation in the privileges of the Comoitit-
tion. lie said that he *honk' state the ati, honey
upon which all the observations he had made to
the House upon the subject, had been founded.—
He tiTen detailed to the House at very long but in-
teresting history of the correspondence and coliver-
tedious between himself, Dr. Milner, and Lied
Flogs! ; the result of which clearly proved that
the honourable Member had never advanced a
single proposition in the Howe, or rustle any
observatioa whatever, with rag tail to the Catholic
Claims, except such es were fully sanctioned by
the authority of Ur. Nlilner. and Lord Fingal; and
the general tendency of his remarks went to prove
that there had been a degree of vacillation io the
conduct of Dr. Milner, amid to point out that the
Doctor had receded from the ground upon which
lie had originally induced him (Mr. Poissouby) to
come forward in support of the Catholic Question.
Hating stated to the Hoare, at great length, the
letters of Dr. Matter, sod his own in 111111Wer to
them, and several publications connected with
therm, lie trusted the House would give him credit
for nut havingrashly advanced any propositio
this subject, without sufficient authority. With re-
spect to the question of the Veto, he had been re-
gulated iu his conduct !Riccardi:lo to the opinions
of others. He then proceeded to draw a comp.'.
risou between the situation in which the Pope was
placed, prior to the French Hevolutom. with what
it had been reduced to since that event; remarking,
that in consequence of the acts of the Emperor of
France, the Pope had become slings titer dependent
upon France, and subservient to her will ; aad from
theme by deduction inferred the danger of allowing
any it stem that could by possibility give a pretence
for foreign nomination among the Catholic Bishops.
lie was of opinion, however, that the Catholics were
entitled to have every thing granted them which was
chnsistent with the security of the Government to
which they appealed ; and fur his part he had no ap-
prenenaions of French ascendancy, which ought to
withhold him from granting to the Catholics their
claims to partake in the benefit of the British Con-
poitution.—lle thought they had a right to exer-
cise their religion as their forefathers hail professed
it.—lie was of opiniop that an arrangement might
be male between the Catholics stud the Protestants,
equally satisfactory to both : but he seemed to think
that there were many who had preferred the pre-
sent claims of t he Catholice, wishing at the same time
that they might be rejected. He argued that the
subject of the Viso was nothing more than a pre-
tence for resisting the Catholic Claims; and that
the Administration were determined to resist
them at all events. He regretted that Isis Honour-
able Friend behind him. General Mathew, had
not expressed himself in language more temperate.
Ile agreed with him. that there was no danger to
be apprehended from giving Ireland what she de.
mantled, but, on the contrary, that it would add to
the security and stsbility of the Empire. All that
was now demanded was, that the House would con-
sent to go lino a Committee. Haring take° a ge-
lato-al review, he adverted to the Sate of Europe.
placed as it was at present under the power and
doosiuion of a single paraoit ; oar those cursor-
dinary loco, whom Providerice created once its two
or three thousand years, to prodetee greet and ma
traordiny revolution.; ile.cribed him as nopande
leled, not only as * military alma, but a 11l ttl fur

general action ; he considered him to he the great-
est mutt that had, for many centuries. "l'Peorcd oA
the face of the earth ;he would net rut, r into the •
ronaiderution of his moral character, for lie thought .
his viers equal to hie talents. Thii character lie
couceived was nut only ambitions hiut,elf, bet go-
verned a nation who were ecoally es; and thirefure
he (Mr. Puma:milt) dreaded what "40 Probetble
be the result, it' France, with sec h wane gild•
energies, should attempt the Mention aid cooqueat .
of Ireland. He was of me:110c, that Is order to pee.
vent the worst that might happen, it would 'well'
.become the Lei isle we to make the first '•
winces to the Irish Catliolice ; to stste. in • the_
tint place. what we would grout, and them hear what
they would concede. alluded to and deptea • •
cute.' the effects of the Unio.i, and eNressed h.s
apprehensions, lest. in. case the C itibulici should •
be disappoinunl, with rape t tw the conditinu on
• hich that measure was agreed to, they might vet. -
sort to means of ohtainiag their rglit., highly den. ,r•
herons to the interests of this co.intry ; and he
feared they might find but too much eileourageuient
in the ability and resJurre, of the 1.7, Emp,nr.
Fla then referred to the pledge wii.ch His Mejesty
hail been advised to.dernand of his Mini:trot, that
they would not recommend to him the adoption -of
say system favourable to the Claim. of the Callao. -
lies, Ile conceived it the .most niteoustetutiooel
advice that had been given to any King. sant* the
reign of James IL He concluifed by referring to
the eonseqa, lice.' which in the earlier mitts of the.
reign of Ili, irre.rut il4j-•sty had resulted lons his
attending to the advice of his Ministers, in oppo.s.
sition to the opinion of Parliament and iii people ;
by so &dug he had 104 America. :tad lied accele-
rated the ruin of every State on .the Continent. lie ..
trusted that Mini,tm would give him that nitres
which sio.ild prevent him Com losing Ireland. He
way of optiouti that isollw,g but kitithiess and cone
ciliation would preserve, Ireland to tido comity, nod
that *nee and vi,dence would only provoke it into
a at rte of de.•erinined hostility.
[We desire it to be understood, that this is only
vesy brief and imperfect sketch of one of the mat •
luminous speeches ever delivered on this %object.]
Mr. PFRCFaxt. exprnised his twist...talon of the
manner the Itight Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. Poosanb4
had exp'sine.l; bat thoualit he ought not to have
kept the public to long tinder a edited. He. theis
entered into the merits of the care, and contended,
that lie was as justifiable in charging the Catholics
with intolerance, as they him; for they refwed
to cede a single particle, and even there had sheen '
they could not be haltered ; for chili reason he
would give hie decided opposition to their pet•tion.
Mr. WlllrliftEAD took a full review of the sub. •
ject, and of the arguments of the Hon. Gentleman
who preceded him. Ile entreated of the House to
consider alto were fighting their battles. 'they were
Catholics; who manned their Rees. men of the
same persuasion. Ile wus told that when the Host •
passed our soldiers in Sicily, they presented arms ; •
and should they have toleration in eiery couutry .
but their own? He concluded u most eloquent end
animated speech, by ileelsein4 himself the fit•-•nd
of the Catholics, and he aould be their ad,socate as
long as he esker!.
Mr. CA NISINU assured the 'lions* that he had
never given a pledge to ally matt, or any wet of mew,
on this' great and momentous question.' lie hoped
the time would tome when this union between Pro..
testants and Catholics would hike place ; but it
could not he contended that tide was the time, alien
one of parties could not a4ree amongst themindi co.
He was pure the Right Hon. Gear. Mr. Grattan.
did ant bring forward the motion with the idea that •
it would be carried, but in performeoce of a duty
imposed upon him. It should therelure have his
negative.
Mr. licaagee in a short (Teeth supported the
motion.—(Loud okra gutsier's, grsestion.l
Mr. IIuTCIIINSua iu..ved, r• That the debate
should lie aitiotrned to Thurstlay.--(Loird cries
of go on, go on.)
Mr. PARNELL seconded the motion.
Mr. S. DVIID•11 said that 'Flint-.day was ap.
pointed for the consideration ut East India affairs,
and it would be recollected that he had Postpowed
it several times, fur the eccotomodation of the non.
Geritli man.

Wu.SHITII thought the East India bo.iriess
nfthe greatest consequence, and mazy perms were
waiting with the greatest se.aiety to know the re.
stilt. He thought it would be better to conclude
the present question then, for in his opinion thily
had heard enough alt.
Mr. HUTCHINSON said, there were many Gentle.
men who were most materially interested, and
wished to deliver their sentiment., that they mivl4
go forth to the public ; if Thursday was occupied,
he would take the next open day.—(Cries of go on.
go on).
Mr. SNSIIID•N thought, when Gentlemen from
Ireland wished I. express their sentiments up.
on such a momentous iriestion, it was the duty
of the House to agree to Inc postponement.
The debate was adjourned to Friday next,
The other orders of the day were then sli.posed
of, and the Howse adjourned at HALF PAST
FOCH. O'CLOCK. till this day.

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AMARICA.
CONGRECII.
SENATIVINRCH M.
The Bill to alter and amend tiie Act fixing the
Military Peace Establishment. was mid a third
time and passed.
The Senate resumed the consideration of the Bill
appropriating a sum of money for the purpose of
pro*, Ming munitions of war.
HOUSE OE REPILESBISTATKES-..FRIVAY, 1.1111101 20.

Mr. W. ALSTON, from the Cotnmittee appointed
to report abut business is necessary to be done the
present &rimy. and alter the day proper for Con-
gress to adjourn. made a repast of the busines. br.
fore the House neeessary to be completed. and the
folio Awe Regolution
Resolved, by the Soup and [loupe of Representatives
of the United States, Tbat the l'resiettnt of the &oats, tot
th. Speaker of the Hasse of Rept*. 'natives, be, awl thty
are beret), withal-iced to adjourn tbLat I.speetete Honor ea
tk acrdo April sect.
Mr. LOTS 1130,0 to postpone the eavvitlesation
or the Resolution until Ntlint.tty nett.—the ques-
tion was taken by ayes and noes, and carried-a..
aytafil. noes SC
Mr. RA %Mit lif gave notice, that .to shothi, on

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