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Commissioners at the opening of the Session, was
read by the Clerk :
autuiorinic to 'oil Ilse suer! calamity with which
it has 'Mused Divine l'invidence to visit the Prince Regent,
the Royal Fanaily, and the nation, by Use death of her Ma.
jest), the Queen of the United Kimptiim. his Royal fliehiscus
has ciimniendeil no to direr. your atientioa to the cotoOarrn•
tool of such measures as this melsochnly event has rewirerd
to.crwary and expedient with respect to the care of his Ma-
jest y 'a Sacred Perms."
Lord Catirt.eoaatn then ruse, and spoke as fol-
low.:
" lu the Address that followed the Speerli from
which an extract liss just been read, this House,
after the expression of its deep regret for the. la-
mentable sheath of her late Majesty, pledged itself
to take such measures us necessarily grew met of the
event for which they expressed their condolence to
his Royal Highileis the Prince Regent. It wus for
the House now to ',reeved to fulfil that promise, soil
to take such steps as were rendered necessary by the
demise of the Queen, with respect to the Royal
Establishments. It is impossible to advert to the
event which has led to our present proceeding,
without contemplating the character of the illus-
trious Personage whose loss we have deplored. I
think I run draw a confident hope, that her Majes.
ty's bright and eniiiient example for the long pe.
rim! of 57 years that she shared the throne of these
realms with our revered and affectionate Monarch,
will leap; hr felt by the country, and that the peo-
ple will long cherish and feel the moral benefits of
her high and virtuous example. Her late Wes.
ty's piety, benevolence, and above all, her extensive
and unostentatious charities, will, I trite, long
operate upon the moral character of the country,
and render her memory dear to every loyal and vir-
tuous mind.—(Loud cries of Hear, hear, hear.l—
recommendation from the Throne, to which he
meant In call the attention of the House, branched
itself out into two parts. The first related to the steps
which the wisdom of the Legislature Might think tit
to adopt, under existing circumstances, reipecting
the care of the King's Person—and the seerind, re-
lated to those measures which grew out of the la.
mined demise of her late Majesty, and which were
necessary in consequence of the establishment pre-
vionsly voted for the Queen's use. As to the first
I part, the Bull sent down from the House of Lords.
I and which stood for a second reading here this even-
ing, would explain to the House the arrangement
which it was deemed advisable to recommend to the
consideration of the Legislature. By the Act of
lel toile Queen was invested with the sacred trust
of the care of the King's person. It was intended
that this trust should, in consequence of the death
of her Majesty, he confided to his Royal Highness!
the Duke of York. On the principle of having CI
person invested with this sacred trust, I apprehend'
there can be but oneopinion. So longas this principioll
is adhered to, I also imagine there can be no doubt of
the propriety of selecting a member of the Royal
Family to carry it into operation; and I know that
if his (Majesty were sensible of surrounding objects,
he would feel no greater satisfaction than at finding
the care of his sacred person confided to his Royal
Highness the Duke of York, after the demise of
the Queen. This naturally leads me to the considera-
tion of the steps rendered necessary by her Ma-
jesty's death, by which event the income appropriated
for tier Establishment out of the Civil List becomes
disposable in the hands of the Crown ; it also na-
turally leads to the 100,000 f. annually voted, since
181.1, for what is termed the Windsor Establish-
ment. I mean, on the present occasion, to move
that the passage in the Royal Speech which refers
to the Windsor Establishment, shall, together with
the gracious Message we have this night received,
be referred to a Committee, with instructions to
make a Report, ou which the House shall hereafter
found a Bill for the due regulation of the two
Establishments. As the question connected with
her late Majesty's income, and also that respecting
the Windsor Establishment, involved a variety of
detail, and as the information to be given con-
nected with each must obviously embrace a variety
of topics, it would perhaps be more advisable
for lie not to trespass upon the House at this
moment with those details, but reserve them for
the Committee, where they could be with more
convenience sifted and considered. I mean to
call fur no opinion on the propositions which it is
intended to submit to Parliament, until the Com-
mittee shall have gone through the whole of the ne-
cessary estimates, and then furnished the House
with the Report which shall be the result of their
delibetatimis. I mean to take no vote to-night on
the merits of the question, but to let the ulterior
proceeding depend on the Report of the Committee
—not a Committee by ballot, but one appointed
in the usual way ; after which, when the whole sub-
ject was open to the House, a better opportunity
would be afforded of seeing it in all its bearings.
I think it right, however, in the present stage of
the proceedings, to submit to the House a general
outline of the nature of the vote for which I mean
hereafter to call. I do not inland to call for any
new grant of money whatever for the Crown; on
the contrary, 1 shall have the more gratifying task
of calling, our the part of the Crown, for die co-
operation of Parliament to give effect to the mea-
sures of economy, which the change in the Royal
Establishments rendered necessary. In fact, I con-
sider the plain effect of my proposition is no other
than this—to divest the Crown of certain property
which it now might hold, slid place it either in the
Consolidated Fund, or for die general service of the
country. 1 wain, on the part of the Crown, to
palace this property beyond its control, and make it
available fur the general uses of' the country. This
economy can only be effected by the introductiou of
a Bill, for as the Royal Household now steads, any
saving in any of the dosses of the Civil List,
except the third class, which relates almost en-
tirely to the expenses of Foreign Ministers, may
be carried over to another class ; for instance, any
saving in the Lord Chamberlain's department may
be carried over to the Lord Steward's, so that the
general funds of' the country would derive no direct
benefit from the particular saving. This is not the
wish of his Royal Highness the. Prince Regent.
His Royal Highness was most anxious to have the
rid of Parliament so enable him to place at the
disposal of the public service, the saving which
must arise from the hate melancholy event. In
1814 au annual grant of 100,0001. was voted by
Parliament fur the Windsor Establishment. M'ith
this groin, as the law now stood, the Prince Re.
gent had no power to interfere, and if any reeling
arose in it, the Lord Steward's department &lived

the benefit of it. At present the demise or the
Queen led to w saving or ss.outit. to 'to. it WWI
intended to mild w reduction of 50.0001. per
si ttttt in, out or the 100,000/. tiopoiliterl for the
IVitsdsor Establishment. Thee conjoint 8111114
4411111111, by the intended arrangement become np-
plivable to the Treamiry.—(llear, hear.)—The
limPie will therefore see. that the eff,ct of this

orriiiii,:entriit will be to giro the PlibllV, pro loofa,
the help tie of !holm Reims which wore lirrrtofole

iip•
plicalite to other %i.e.. If the therrfure
▪ MI the whole, that there 14 a maissrest desire
on she part of his Royal Highness the Prince Itr-
gent, and ton the part of Ins Alujest)'*
to adopt such strict measures of economy as recent
circumstances admit of, the', I am persuaded that
no cavilling upon trifling details will nark the In.
tore consideration of tins question, but that the
House will take it as it is intended, namely, the
manifestation of a cordial desire fur the adoption

of every measure connected with the hest interests
of the country. The Windsor Establishment re-
ceived au animal grant of .100,000/. and the
Queen's Establishment 58,000/. To the latter a
contingent addition had been made to her Majesty,
as (*HMIS persona, of the King. It was intended,
that, as the Duke of York was to lie invested with
this trust, he should also receive this additional
sum, to cover the contingent expenses to which
the trust might expose him. Without calculating
this 10,0001. the items would stand in this sump-
uer
:—the Windsor FAlahlishment, 100,000/. per
annum, the Queen's, 58,0001. ; tnakiug a total of
158,000/. per annum. The projected saving front
both would Make a total amount in favour of the

public of 108,000/.; subject only, according to
uniform precedents, to the necessary provision for
her late Majesty'. servants, which, at a rough views,
might amount to about 25,000/. a year. It was
to be recollected, with respect to this list sum,
that the annuities are to be merely for the lives of
the present servants, many of whom are of ex-
treme age. The immediate and direct saving would
be therefore 83,0001. a year, and the raving at the
expiration of the claims of the annuitants, 108,000/.
If also any seeing could be effected in the
tisent of the SO,OOO/. for the Windsor Establish-
ment, it was intended to carry it over to the Civil
List, to assist in carrying other savings into effect.
The Windsor Establishment would, no doubt,
have all the benefit which could he effected by the
economical exertions of Colonel Stevenson. the
Groom of the Stole. I wish principally to explain
to the House the reasons why his Majesty's Ministers
have not hitherto felt it proper to bring the Wind-
sor Establishment under parliamentary considers-
lion. This subject has been more than once touched
upon by Honourable Gentlemen' opposite, but con-
scious, no doubt, of the delicacy and impossibility
of coming at the time to any satisfactory result,
these Gentlemen, with a due sense of feeling and
propriety, refrained from making the matter the.
subject of any formal application to this Ilousei
With the vigilance which they sheaved upon every
other department of the public expenditure, they
had certainly taken no step on this particular
branch, and I may airmail fairly infer that their
forbearance was from • conviction of the difficulties
which the subject presented to the adoption of any
important retrenchment. During the lifetime of
the Queen insuperable difficulties arose to any el-
leviation iu the King's Household. If any attempt
at dictating a material saving had been then made,
and that her Majesty saw an anxiety that she should
he placed in the situation of Queen Dowager, there
was nothing to prevent her front demanding the set-
tlement of 100,000/. to which by her marriage she
was entitled, and her annuity would then have been
100,0001. intead of 58,0001. It was quite impos-
sible at a sooner period to have adopted any erotic).
mical arrangements which would have been worth
the attempt. Indeed, the only brancii of the
King's Household that might have been tangible
was that of his Majesty's State Servants—the total
'amount of whose emoluments was under 6,0001.
•-year ; and for any saving in such a sum, was it
worth while to call into action those feelings of de,
licacy which must have been aroused at every step
taken in such a pursuit. The establishment for his
Majesty's person, in 1812, was founded upon the pro-
bable hope that be might have recovered so tar as,
if not to be able to resume the exercise of the Royal
authority, at least to be sensible of the situation in
which he was placed, and the attentions that had
been paid to him. In such au expectation it was
right and proper that due regard ahould be had to
the royal alumina and feelings, mid particularly to
those of her Majesty. But now that the min-
nuance of his Majesty's lamented disorder, Nod the
advanced state of his life, had greatly reduced the
probable chance of his recovery, the time might lie
said to have come when • revision of the Royal
Establishment was necessary ; and wheat this revi-
sion should take place with a strict atteution to
public economy, mid at the same time a proper ob-
servance of that attention to the comfort and care of
the sacred jirrvon of our venerable Sovereign which
every good man in the empire must be must anxi-
ous to pay. The Ministers of the Prince Regent
have duly weighed the Royal Establishment, and
they have applied their attention to the To.„ Esta-
blishment of his Majesty. By die Act of Ilk!, the
Queen was peremptorily required to keep up the
Windsor and Town Establishments ; and even
where a vacancy in the Household took place,
she was bound to fill it up without delay. In
the new urrangement the intended reductions of
offices were as follow :—.A Fare-Chamberlain,
• Master of the Robes, four bonds and four
Grooms of the Bedchamber. It was right to
state, that the Lords of the Bedchamber who me
to be reduced solicited permis.ion to be allowed
to retain their Aces without any valley, as the last
proof which they hail it in their power to thew of
their loyalty and gratitude to sievered and afflicted
Sovereign.—(lleur, newel—The gross saving by the
abolition of these offices would be 5,9931. per
annum. It was intended that the Earl of Win-
chilseu should superintend the King's Household
Establishment, and that six Equerries should
Ito succession do duty upon his Majesty at Windsor.
These were to consist of the oldest servants 1,1 the
King. I have reason to state that the sum of
60,000/. will be sufficient for the Woolsor Esta-
bheliment, including the 17 or 18,000/. a year for
the physicians in snrudauer. The reiiuurraiinn
which the Prince Regent pelt to the icsetint cute
generosity of ahe Ilouse for the servasits of her
late Map sty, can luielided to be or ettuloi idity'vrirli

the •tr.ct p►Pcedentt recoriled in sitrii u case. 1";,i!
precedent of Cloven Coroline wait *trimly in tout,

. .
tool sto perhaps might thot or the i'mer.• I)otrag,t
of ‘Vuleo be cno.ollereil. The servant,' to bot

caries received their wages cloriti4 I re. tt i. right
here to ob•ervr, that there t. a materi..1.1...t...i.

between the Keener in the ease of 'whims
of the Q 410.4,411 111,11 ormoitil of the Croon. 11,
the former the annuitiell on her 111o:roty's de.
nii.e have been uniformly granted—in the !oil
no 1111C11 pfUV.I.IIOII 141 !settled. I 11/1111k it right ter

tilitke tlii*remark, Irrt it should be itisitttluitil the

... _ _„.
Any of the reonanong servants on the Royal
vtrre enn6irlere4 114 hereafter twilled t..

nub prorl-ion of this ',lnd. in the ',Vent of s pew
tolleire••ion, of, such rreoilllTleltsistion wss control.

platers, 'for there was nn precedent to call for
When bail Royal Highness the Prince Regetit ass
invested with the unrestricted Regency. Had neces-
sarily obliged to extend his Household Establist,.
omit, he took that opportunity of trensirrring inns
his service sonic of his Majesty's Household, -os,„
would othrrivew have been tonprovided fur. Wiiro.
ever anxiety his !Lord Highness may have to rbok,
• similar provision for those, whir, on the pre-
sent occ.osion, most be discharged from the
situations which, they now hold, it was onions.
sable it could he carried into any great sinew,
nor Was it the intreition of his Majesty's .l -
niders to propose any grant for those servinits
who would lose altogether their situations sod rota.
lumrtots. It might, however, under all the ars
cuinstiinces of the case, not he deemed imams-
thy of the generosity of Parliament to corerider the
situation of some of those Individuals, arid make
for them that sort of provision which, ou examine.
tion, they would be satisfied the litiog would him-
self have made, had it pleased Providence to have
continued to him the exercise of his faculties. It
is not the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to
make any precedent iu this case, but merely to
leave it entirely at the discretion of Parliament to
give that relief which, under all the circuni-
stutters. they may deem eligible and just."—
'The Noble Lord, in conclusion, ref-spit uleted
the observations with winch lie set out, nolowly,
that the details were better for enumeration before
a Coomnittee, and that nothing of favour, but. on
the contrary, the strictest sense of justice and eco-
nomy had actuated his Royal Highness the Prow*
Regent, and his Majesty's Govertiment, in the mesa
sures they had prepared for the consideration of
Parliament on the present occasion. He also
' repeated the total amount of the Windsor Esta-
blishment, and the gross saving of 108,0001. per
annum, which by the present arrangements would
be effected, subject only to the monodies of 25,00 U/.
for the lives of the persons holding them. The
Noble Lord then Moved, *, That that part of the
Speech from the Throne which relates to the Wind.
sot Establishment, and the Message received from
the Prince Regent this evening, he referred iso
Committee of the whole House on Thursday next."
He at the same time observed, that if the Report
of the Select Committee, to which he meant to
refer the estimates of the several charges upon eseh
Establishment, was not prepared, and in the hands
of Members in sufficient time to be read before
Thursity, be would not press his motion on thud day.
Out the motion of the Noble Lord, the follooriag
Members were appointed ow the Select Committer,
to examine into the several salaries and charges of
the Servants of her late Majesty's Household, and
to report thereon to the House:—

Mr. Tierney, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.
Dimighans, Mr. Banker, Lord George Cavendish, Lord
Murpeth, Mr. Lamb, Sir Arthur Piggott, Mr. Lung
leaky, Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Lynch'iw, Mr. Vesey htt-
gerahl, the Solicitor G I, and Mr. Franklsod Lewis.

Mr. LONG WELLESLEY was really to admit,
that there was a great difference between making
the alttratiou in the Windsor Establishment at Inc
former and at the present period. As to the Wind-
sor Establishment, it bad been given in the first
instance with a liberal and prosier band ; and taw
that, in the afflicting stage of his Majesty's malady,
this establishment in its existing extent is no longer
necessary, it is right and proper that it should he
made the subject of revision. He agreed it should
be viewed with becoming respect to his Majesty,
with the utmost and most tender solicitude tier the
wants, and fur every thing which could possibly
tend to alleviate his situation, and sibilitaster to ell
the comforts of which lie is susceptible; hut he wits at
the same time ready to declare, that in all arriiiige-
melds, the object of which was to invest the revered
Monarch with a splendour which unhappily he could
neither share nor appreciate, it was right, and is
fact it was due to the W(1.111011 of the country, to
reconsider the !Establishment, and give to the pub-
lic what they had a right to expect, and reserve to
the King that which no good man would like to
see hint dispossessed of.--(Fleur, hetar.)-lir lose,
out the present occasion, principally to in.lc taii
questions—the first was respectiii., the 10,000/. per
annum which the Duke of Yoikr.was to recelie as
a contingent allowance for the duty lie would I..ite
to discharge as cu3tos persona. of the King. Now.
when Mr. Perceval proposed this extra sum to the
Queen. in 1812, it was expressly asked for sod
granted on the ground that in ail probability her
Majesty would not lead the recluse life Ole might
otherwise he disposed to lead, in consequence of
the attLiction of the King, and that she might,
from the twine of her situ;ition, be exposed to
additional expense in the performance of the
public ditties which the I gist:yore assigned to her.
This was, if lie recollected rightly, the i•ssou
signed by Mr. Peri oral for this additional contin-
gent grant. It how appe.iretl that his Royal High'-
urns the Duke of York was to have the same con-
tingent addition, but by in, memos for the same
reason. The circumstances of the situatton acre
• totally changed : the reasons hut giviiig it to the
Queen were not the same as those for contintinc.;
it to the Duke of Volk, and the country had
•
right to know in what the difference consisted.—
; second voila to which hr solicited the attentio.,
of the Noble Lord, in the expectotioti of ohtaii•-
ing an answer, was this—whether it was the hotel -
110,1 or G‘...,..t0e0t, to .1,1.64), to the cu sios
prr-
scit of the Sovereign. to vomit ut to his Royal
Highness the iomit,tud of the army ? The Duke
• of Yolk hail fille.S, wit hi honour and glory
tit his country, the liit h pito 46.41 he had so
- occupied as Co tttttt unifer.ito Cho I.; and though
tit his Ittiyel Highness's liaurls iio poirible doubt
cott:tl arose as t‘i the prosier esercise of the power
which I.e was it'vested, 3 et 111 the rttitut -slate

„f the country ;mil the world, it was Etatural lliat
,mistitut I jealousy should be felt at the exer-
tee of ouch a ninon of power awl influence ”,
ersonage so near the throne in the ordinary line
• I successive, ae his Royal Highneire the Duke of
Fork must he considered to be. The double and
important dunk of autos person& of the King,
and Commander-in-Chief of the army of the
0,,,,ary, involved very important considemtimis—
ss referred to the illustrious individual, for /is
hands could they he no more safe, but as
trotted the fair 'constitutional jealousy of the
,-,,,0ry...-(Herir, /tear, hear.)—He would plainly
iok, is it the intention of Government that his
itov.l Highness the Duke of York should
hold the two situations? With respect to the
reductions alluded to, be could only say that the
arrangements respecting the 58,000/. of the Queen's
Establishment, and the reduction to 50,0W1/. of the
were satisfactory, no doubt, so far 04 the
lamellae of economy had piton applied to these
departments. If this were, therefore, merely the
opening of a system of economy and retrenchment.
he was reedy, and he believed the people would also
he ready to applaud the communication of Ministers,
and to hail it ass happy omen of what was to follow.:
But if this saving in the Windsor Establishment weal
to go forth as • great effort in furtherance oil
public 'cosmos,. and that in its completion every,
thing wait to be supposed as done, he could
only say, in the language used by an Honour-
able Member opposite on a former night (we
presume Mr. Alderman Wnithmert, its his speech
on the Petition against the Insolvent Debtors'
Act), in common sense, or conimmi honesty,
how (amid the House accede to such a pro-
position 1—( I lear, hear.)--illo did not pretend to
much common seller, or much common honesty,
and tormit not to dwell upon any exclusive preten-
sions to either—(Load Infighter)—but tithe propo-
%mini now Horde were to be the great ultimatum of
atioeuers, hr could only say the c try would, as
they had a right, be grossly disappointed.—(Hear.)
The Himouralde Gentleman concluded by saying,
that no matter from what part of the House pro-
em-Mini should come which he felt desired sup-
port, it would invariably have his.
Lord CASTI.IiREAGH, in a low tone of voice, said.
that his Royal Highness, in Isis opinion, conceived
that it was not at all incompatible with ins situation
of Ilse custos of the King's Person, to hold that si-
tumour' at the heed of the army which lie discharged
with so much applause.
Mr. nears etr said the speech of the Noble
Lord (Castlereagh) was of • nature that required
a few oiratreationa. 011 the death of her 31aiesty
the ll'indsor Establishment required no longer to he
upheld in its former state, mid the House were
called on to consider what new arrangements were
to lie made. Hesaid that he was unwilling, in the nit-
servations he should make, to take a course different
from the Noble Lord respecting the gravity and de-
corum with which this subject should be discussed.
He paid be would m the first place confine himself
to the statement of the Noble Lord respecting the
tour Lords of the Bedchamber and the Grooms of
Ilse Chamfer ; and he would confidently appeal to
the House whether they thought the statement of
the Noble Lord for continuing those offices for the
last seven y•ars, during which time they cost the
nation 4.2 01)111. was satisfactory or not. The state-
ment of the Noble Lord, he maid, demonstrated
the justice of an opposition which he (Mr. Tierney)
felt it his duty to give on a former occasion to the
institution of these offices. He opposed them in
1812, as being unnecessary and expensive to the
public. without imparting any comfort of any
kind to our afflicted Sovereign. But he was then
charged with not having consulted the dignity of
the Crown ; he was charged with • dispoeiti 111 lto
detract front this public testimony of respect which
should he livid to the person of the Sovereign, arid
wills having its unworthy object of gaining an un-
worthy popularity out of those doors. But isotwith-
sending those charges, he now lived to see the
Munster of the Crown coming down to the House
proposing the abolition of those offices. It had
been stated, he said, that thew. officers were
willing, from personal attachment to time Sovereign,
to attend gratuitously. He did not entertain a
doubt hut that if they offered to do so, they would
gratuitously discharge whatever Were their accus-
tomed duties. But lie asked, why was not this pro-
posal made to them in left ?—why have they not
gratuitously acted since 1812 ?—weir their frel-
tugs of respect or attachment less ardent then than
now ? How, said he, did the mutter originally
stand ut the tune of the unrestricted Regency ? It
was proposed that if those officer, were let remain,
that they should attend the Regent when in town,
and that they should also undertake to discharge
their duties at Windsor, which certainly were not
very great ; they were merely to attend there once
a week, and to spew a small piece of paper. But
it was determined to make four new outs, and to
get gill of the four old ours, mid four Grooms of the
Be•lelairsilor were to hr sent out, in order to have
their places supplied by the servants of the new
4;..ver 1111 l rot. Had they remained on tine old emit-
blislinient—inad they not been sent adrift to make
way fur the new adlierente of tire Government, the
4.141 servants would litre vet remained. mid the
country wilful not have been oldiged to pay lilt
fur that had retired and the four that succeeded
elem. respect to the sum of 10,000/. a-year
senate to lie granted to his Royal Highness the
Duke of York for the custody of the King's per-
Aim, lie is soda only say, as to that, any expenses
riloch his Royal flightless might Incur in conse-
quence of its appouitment to that situation, ought
to he defraud by the public to the fullest extent.
It he (Mr. Tierney) did riot say so, lie felt that he
en-Id not be dealing fairly—but having
1,14 pruiciple to its fullest extent, he hoped lie was
hot a.kitig too tuurh when he demanded to know,
per e bat expenses this sum was to :w given ?—what
lo w establi-limerit would that office render recess.
so,) ?—what tiers expenditure wou;tl that office
create ? Ile did not mean to say that expense
11,1,46 t Out follow it; but nil lie teemed to he in-
Inrsiteil was, the nature of that expense. and the
emoinit ; if it amounted to ten thou.:am' pound*,
ten thousand polio& ought to be allowed--
if it amounted to more, more ought to he allosr-
rd but sf, on a fair lied rearomible estimate, it
11"""tell to less, then he would snot vote for a aunt
of 10,000 d.—he would vote for the expense a•.:-
tnally sustaiiied, but lie would vote for to) more.
it t'll• .ae•te trm, tint!. in 1614 a runt lie.

yeir was *volttl to the late Queen ; that
aims was voted to her late Majesty for account
of travelling expenses. It was said, on that
occasion, that it could not he expected she would
constantly rental's at Windsor—that a change of
air and rxerctse was necessary for her advanced age
and her &tinting health ; and on this ground dna
additional NUM or 10,000/. is-year was voted. Those
reasons, lie confessed, did not satisfy hint; stol
disagreeing, as tie slid, with those who proposed
that grant, lie felt it his duty to oppose it. But
such as those reasons were, could they, he asked,
1w applied to tlw present case ; Was a sum of
10,n00/. a-year necessary to be granted to his Royal
Highness, in consequence of the additional ex-
pense imposed on I • by the custody of the King's
person? If it were, he would willingly grant it—
he would grant more. He knew of no person
in the country more lit to have the care of
the Kiug's person than his Royal Highness.—
In the allowance to be granted he would wish
to act liberally—he would wish to act hand-
somely towards the member, of the Royal Family ;
but at the same time to act prudently, as far as re-
gards the pockets of the people. To his afflicted
Sovereign he hose a strong affection—he felt every
sympathy, every respectful compassion, for his si-
tuation ; and willingly would hr agree to any sum
that could ensure his comfort or his gratification.
His object was to consult the dignity of the King,
and the interests of the public. The Noble Lord,
lie said, now called on this House to settle the
Windsor Establishment at SONO/. o-year. Per-

haps it iinglit appear that such a sum was ne.
cessary—but how it was so, was, lie confessed,

beyond his conception. lie could not see how so
large a sum as .50,0001. a year was necessary for
the resew support of his Majesty. labouring as lie
did under an unhappy malady. lie was incapable
of any conversation—he saw no society—he was de-
prived of sight—he bed no state—no chew. For
low, even in a temporary return to reason, these
things could have no pleasures—and yet the House
are called on to grant a sum much more than the
first of his subjects find it prudent to expend,
even though they are bound to indulge in
various expenses and to make • great display.
As to the Noble Lord's boasted economy, and the
communication lie has made, be did not, lie said,
attach so much value to that communication, as he
did to the last general election.—(A laugh, and
Hear, hear.)—The result of that election, and the
disposition of the House to retrenchment, was to
him a much greater security, than the new-born dis-
position of the Noble Lord, to use with economy
the resources of the State. As to referring to a
Committee to consider the expenses of the table,
servants' wages, and items of that account, he con-
ceived that Colonel Stevenson could as well settle
that estimate as the Committee. The ques-
tion to he considered was, the scale on which
the Establishment ought to be settled. It should
be settled, he said, on a liberal scale—it should
be for the care, the comfort, and the dig-
nity of the sovereign. But it should be remem-
bered, that no person resides at Windsor, and yet
Equerries are to be kept to receive the Commis-
sioners on their occasional visits. Was it necassary,
he asked, to have six Equerries for that purpose
For them them is no earthly business but to receive
the Commissioners; yet a very considerable ex-
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prase—•►t expense quite unnecessary, in his mind--
was to be incurred. The Noble Lord had stated,
that at the head of the Household there should be
placed Noblemen to superintend the different de-
partments of it. There were many who would ob-
ject to this ; and if he were speaking of the mere
necessity of it, he would object to it too; but he
would agree to it on this piinciple, that it was ne-
cessary fur the state and dignity of the King. He
would not object to see Iwo Noblemen at the head
of the F.stablislinsent, to see that every man dia•
charger% his duty, and to superintend the general
arrangements ; but as to the necessity of hay-
iug six Equerries, he could not see it. It was,
he *aid, a question of table ; and would the sup-
port of au EttailllShlnellt, en limited as the Wind-
sirs must be, require a sum of 50 ,000/. a year ?
This consideration was important, in his mind, for
the purpose of C.l ' g to • fair estimate of the
%Viiirliair Establishment. The Noble Lord might
have other heavy items of expense—he might per-
haps chew that this expense is unavoidable—but he
nut having said a word on that head, he (Mr. Tier-
ney) could not help saying, that the sum of
50,0001. a year was nothing less than an extravagant
waste of the public money. As to what the Noble
Lord had said respecting the privy purse being the
private property f the King, he (Mr. Tierney) must
deny that altogether. In the early part of the
present reign a sum of 60,000/. a year was granted
to his Majesty, without the control of Parliament ;
and mider all the circumstances, lie did not con-
sider that sum extravagant. It was but right, too,
that the King billlUld have the disposal of that sum.
There were in the discharge of his fusictions many
expenses that could not see the light—many acts of
grace and charity that would lose their value by
publicity. His Majesty might in a thonsaiid deli-
cate way) assist the members of the reduced
Nobility—he might have some favourite child
in need of his assistance ; and in case* of this
kiwi it would be right to leave him uncon-
trolled—the hand of the Sovereign was not to
be directed by Parliament to the ',articular ob-
jects of its bounty. But to whom, he asked, was
thus sumo allowed ?—was it to the man that was liked,
or the King that reigned? Certainly to the King;
and the nutmeat that he ceased to reign, MAO.
Nt that ttttt nient lie considered this sum of tio,ooo/.
ceased to he the private property of the King.
The King who could no longer dispose of it—
who was unconscious of it—who knew not of its
accumulat►ou whilst living—and who could not
dispose of it at the hour of hi• death. In
a 'wryer regard tile 'tenant of our gracious King
may be held. nu one, he said, would say that the
privy purse was given to him as a man, but as a
King ; and see the hardship it imposes on the nation,
to consider it iii any way. The hand of affliction
deprived him of the power of exercising the duties
of the Sovereign, and the Regent was appointed.
who execute* the actual function* of the King, and
his Royal Highness is allowed the stun of 60.000/.
a year, mid thus the sou► becomes lit/Stout. He
forgot to stientioii, that, in addl.-1011 111 the sum of
tio,ouo:. there was a further aurn of 10,0001. the
profits of flat Duchy of Lancaster; thus making
t: r taw 71,..)a.):. instead of 150,000:. If he oil-

Ilk

derstond the Act which was passed on the occa-
sion tif giving the care of the King'. person to
the Quern, it stated that the King's servants
were to he twitted, es to preferment or pensions,
precisely its such wry is. she King most likely would
have treated them; and us to the physiciwis, they

were to be paid not of the fused of thirty-14x thou.
sand os.year. The expen►es of the physicians
amounted to a aum whir+ must appear enormous to

moot llllell, hut, on examittation, it 'would lint, lie
was free to confess, appear altogether au titirmon.
able, it the tnrtne time that some deduct ions insight be
expected to he made. He (Mr. 'Tierney) understood
at the co— cement of the lamented malady of
recollection of the -.dolma he

the King, from • . _ treatment
received, or which he thought he rrceived, non for-
tner ricetwion, from w certain class of phriciatio,

that there should be a physician of his own selec-
tion allowed to attend him, independent of the
phy►icians who had been formerly in attendance.
This request was complied with by r person of high
station—it was, in his mind, most properly compiled
with—it would have Leen barbarous to refuse the

last melancholy requevt made in the moment of al-
most departing sanity. lie, for his port, would
willingly comply with any thing that could at all
minister to the colnforts of the King—he would
even wish, in his melancholy state, to please every
whim, however childish and extravagant it may be.

He was, therefore. glad that this req.- uest was com-
plied with, though it necessarily increased the ex-
penses of the physirixiiii;—and those physicians con-
stantly attending. at Windsor justly received the
full amount of what their practice would bring
them. But whilst he professed himself most anxi-

otos to deal with eve►y libr►ality to the members
of the Royal Family, he felt that he had the
better right to call for every reasonable retrench.
meta. As to the claw' of 10,000/. for the Duke

of York, if it were right, he ought to receive
it, but let him receive it out of the Privy Purse.
This, he (Mr. Tierney) Conceived, would reconcile
every thing. It would relieve the country from
any additional burden, and it would indemnify his
Royal Highness against any expenses that it
might be fairly shewn he would incur. After
some other observations, Mr. Tierney conclud-
ed by saying, that he felt his vote of great de-
licacy—that he trusted no vindictive opposition
would be imputed to him. No one felt more than
he did a stronger attachment to the House of
Brunswick—no one felt more than he did a wish
to consult the comforts and the dignity of the
King : but he had another high duty to perform—
to guard the people against those burdens which
they are so poorly able to bear, and to promote, in
every item of the public expenditure, that economy
nod retrenchment so necessary fur the existence of
the country.
i.lr. CANNING said, that in going into • Com-
mittee, his Noble Friend did not ask the House to
pledge itself to any precise amount of what the
expenses of the Establishment might be. As to the
objection which the Hon. Gentleman made, of his
Majesty not having a legal claim to the funds
created by the Privy I'nrse, that question was fully
decided by the Regency Act in 1812. The Hon.
Gentleman may move for a repeal of that Act, but
whilst it remained in existence, no doubt what.
ever could be raised as to these funds being the
private and exclusive property of the King.—
[Here Mr. Canning, in support of his assertion,
read certain postage, from the Act of Mil—
The English language, he said, could not define
the rights of the King more precisely than this Act
has done ; it leaves the King the power of disposing
or it—and, in case of no will, then that, like every
other species of personal property, it should go
accord's' gto law. As to the servants of the King,
lie could not, on any principle of justice, consent
to dismiss these old and faithful servants hurt.
gaited; and he should consider precisely in the
same light the person who is dismissed from his
place, and the person who, from the decay of stature,
is no longer able to fulfil it. He could not sit down
without doing injustice to the illustrious person who
has beets so often mentioned in this debate if he did
not state to the House, that his Royal Highness
the Duke of York (as appears, indeed, on the face
of the Bill which originated in the other House) had
accepted of the care of the King's person—had
accepted of it without any remuneration. The
burdens or the office have devolved on him—
he has made no stipulation—and should the House
refuse to grant him any thing—should they refuse
to indemnify him against the expenses necessarily
to be incurred, he will discharge, notwithstanding,
the duties of this situation—and he most pay out
of his own private tours, the expenses attending it.
What those expenses may be, he would not at pre•
sent go into a calculation with the Right Hon.
Gentleman, but, he would say, that considering the
rank of his Royal Highness, considering the other
important dutiei he has to perform, the House
would not think that the sum proposed was unrea-
sonable. The Right Hon. Gentleman had asked for
precedents:—he would give him two—precedents,
too, from the best times since the House of Hanover
ascended to the throne. The one wail in the instance
of Queen Caroline—the other the Princess Dowager
of Wales. On the demise of those personages their
servants retired on pensions. This, lie trusted,
would satisfy the Right Honourable Gentleman
that nothing was attempted in this care that lad
not been dune before, and that should be done in
every case. The Rt. Hon. Gentleman should con-
sider. he said, that the House was not now forming
the Windsor Establishment—that has been ulready
formed—it has been formed by the Act of 1814:
As to the sum of 50.0001. which seemed to sound
so largely, he would only hope that the Right Host.
Gentleman would wait until the Committee, of
which he was • Member, should enter into the
details, and he (Mr. Catmint') had no doubt
but he would come out of the Committee with the
full conviction that his impressions were erroneous,
and that every thing has been done to phew a sin.
cere desire to economise the public money. and Att
meet the wants, the wishes, and the expectations of
the country.
Mr. Titiaxec raid, he was quite aware of the
Act cited by the Right Hon. Gentleman, but he
contended, that the resent proceeding of the
noble Lord virtually repealed that Act. and
they must now take op the question in all its
hearings. Ile had already said that lie had 00 ob-
jection whatever to the appointment of the Duke of
York—and he was sure nothing would be more
1,1,A4.1ig to his Majesty, sere he DOM 10 IWlllill,tllllll.

to appoint hio MIAI flisetriros to tlw etre of hit sa-
cred potions, iihouyl that ',lace I i deristral nrcrosary
then. But lie ("gild n% tee oil retools why oily
ret•otopenice 1' lii Rulul 11-lightwoo lot Id out be
poirl out of the Privy Poioe :it wtio I t hot
sinitrce, owl not from the pockets of the penple
that those rapenovo otiould erne.
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COMMITTEE OF FINANCE..

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GRAIN.

Sir HENRY PARNELL iii.sved ils,t there ler !aid
before the (louse a belie* of account stout nog the
quantity of Corn and Grain, Meal and Flour, ex-
ported from Eitglatal and ‘‘'soirp, from the ,-ear
18151 t.i the year 1818, inclusive—distioguisliniz
that portion exported to Ireland, from that exported
to Foreign Countries. Likrwi.e an turnout of the
quantity insporie.l into 6trist Britain, (Wriest: the
saute period—distinguishing that part imported
from Foreign Commies, f that miported from
Ireland.— Ordered.
The "100. Baronet also moved for aim account of
Corn and Gratin. Meal and Flour, exported front
Ireland, from the year 181'2 to the year ISIS. In-
clusive, distinguishing that portion exported to
Great Britain and her Colonies, from that exported
to Foreign Countries—togeilier with the steerage
price of grain in the Dublin market, dariug the
(tame period. Likewise.. am account of the Coro
and Grain. Meal and Flour. Imported into Ireland,
distinguishing that part imported r Great
Britain, from the portion imported from Forego
Countries. Together aith the real value, in each
year, of the total quantity of Corn sod Meal,
Grain and Flour, exported from ("teat Britain 111141
Ireland respectively, to Feerrigto Clitiostriree NMI the
British Colooleit, from 181-2 to 1814, inclusive.—
Ordtred.—Adjourned.