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that Bill lettelopodueed, but within a very few years. At the time
of the Adeokisteation of which die Noble Illarquis formed a pan'
the pried esoakittin teletive to Spanish South America was • stdaject
on which mail of the most able Statesmen differed, and this also
the Nsble Oioteuis eliould bear in his memory. Their Lordships
were aware that Orcat Britain was not the first to have colonies,
hut, on the contrary, wets one of the last; and thaF the system
adopted by Spain, by Portugal. and by Hullaval, way the system
which England was therefore obliged to adopt. But Spanish Awe-
had now become free—had now become independent and the
great wcsornhemiaphere had become as it were a crincourse of fat
dependent nations. The present Bill was not to alter the colonial
syttem, but to terminate its eai.ttxttet for if the Hill passed. the,
colonies would no lower exist as colonies, for Quebec, and ail
places now 'similarly situated. would he placed precisely on a par
with Liverpool. or Bristol. or any other English town, and become
as much integral parts of the empire, as any English county. This
was the subject which, in his opinion, ought to bisettopted. He
armed in the opinion that such a system was calculdfakl to enrich
the colonies, and to preserve them in connexion with the soother
country ' • or, if a separation were ever to take place. it would ren-
der its effects infinitely less injurious. The principle of the Bill.
then, was not the qualifieotion of an old system, but the adoption
of a new, founded upon the chwegemehot had taken place in vl-
- Farts cf the WOTili, end which had their commencement in
Breed. On these erotic ds he would give his super. tto the Bill,
of which the Noble Earl had moved the second reading.
The Bill was then teats a second time, and ordered to be corn.
misted on Tluiraday.
DUKE OF CUMBERLANDI ANNUITY BILL
The Duke of ['timberland's Annuity Bill wastread a first time.
EQUITABLE LOAN COAPPANY.
Lord DACRL moved the second reading of the Equitable Loan
Company's Bill.
' The Earl of LAUDERDALE expressed his determination to
dppose the Bill. He had expected some arguments in behalf of the
Bill, and in answer to what had been urged by Counsel at their
Lordships' bar. But such had not been the case. The Counsel
had gone at large into the question, and addressed, not their
Lordships, indeed, for they were not there, but empty benches.
He would consent to permit the sill to go into Committee, that
the deed might be appended and made a part of the Bill. When
that had been done, it would be for their Lordships- to consider on
the question of the third reading, how far it was or was not
practicable to pass such a law, or if it were passed for a Company
to tam under it. His opposition arose from the conviction that
Joint Stock Companies for carrying on particular trades or profes-
sions which more properly belonged to individuals, were highly idle
and injurious in their tendency. It bad been said that Joint
Stock Companies formed competition ; now, on the contrary, they
were destructive of all competition, and the grand sources of
Monopoly, and produced most ruinous consequences to trade. It
could not be ton often repeated how injurious anti pernicious were
all Companies formed for the purpose of carrying on trades which
could be better conducted by individuals. It the Bill did not
undergo alterations in Committee, of which he scarcely thought it
susceptible, and if its pernicious tendencies were not obviated, he
shouM feel himself bound to take the sense of the House on the
third reading.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said the Company had been
evidently illegal precious to the introduction of the deed. Should
it become a leog Association by the full operation of that instru-
ment and its Incorporation with time Bill, it would then be for their,
Lordships to Mahler what privileges they might be dispersed to
concede to this Company. It was nut his intention to trouble or
detain the Benue with any farther arguments on the present occa.
sion. It had been distinctly admitted in argument of Counsel at
their Lordships' bar, that previous to the execution.of the deed the
Cteopany was a perfectly illegal one. Ile did not wish to say one
word as to whether the Company was legal or not since the execu-
tion of the deed ; but this he would say, the instrument in question
must necessarily, either by schedule or otherwise, be mule to stand
part of the Act, if it vele intended to run he it a legal Act. It was
rather to be regretted their Lordships were not better informed by
the arguments at bar ; but their Lordships had not attended, with
the exception of two Noble Peers. thotioh Counsel had argued, and
lie had sat night after night to attend to the arguments. Under
these circumstance; be did not feel disposed to argue the case with
Noble hinds who knew nothing about the matter; nor did lie wish
to say another word about the Bill till it came before the House in
a proper shape; and then. if necessary., they could have the opinion
of the twelve Judges on the paint. At present he should neither ad-
mit nor deny the legality of the Company till established by Act of
Parliament.
Lord DACRE said, when the deed was embodied with the Bill
he trusted their Lordships would feel disposed to discuss the ques-
tion with those favourable feelings that should alstays accompany
a measure of great public importance. and one which he thought
likely to confer a great public beim& if adopted.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE explained.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—It was no less necessary for the
interviste of the public than Sur that of every individual in anywise
connected with this Company, that the deed should form part of
the Act of Peril:latent. It was equally necessary that the condi-
tions of the deed should be clearly and generally known.
The Duke of ATHOL ditt not concur in the necessity of incor-
porating the deed with the Bill before their Lordships. It was de-
parting from established ueage, and a hardship to the present
Company.
The Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed
tcoirinrrow.

The 'louse then Adjourned.
HOUSE OF CO3I3IONS.—TUESDAY, Juxt 14.

WESTERN SHIP CANAL.
On the motion of Lord G. SOMERSET, the Western Ship
Canal Bill was read a third time and passed.
IMPERIAL IRISH MINING COMPANY.
On the motion of Mr: S. RICE, the Imperial Irish Mining
Company Bill was read a second time, and passed.
LONDON PORTABLE GAS CO3IPANY.
On the motion of Mr. Alderman WOOD, the London Portable
Gas Company Bill wag read a third time. and passed.
FREEHOLDS—(IRELAND.)
Mr. JOHNSTONE, from the Irish Secretary's Office, presented
a return of the number of Freeholders in the counties of Galway
and Sligo.—Ordered to be printed.
EXPORTATION OF 3IACIIINERY.
Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition from the town and
cotintyof Nottingham, praying that the House might not repeal the
laws prohibiting the exportation of machinery. The petitioners
expressed their regret that a Select Committee should have been
appointed to consider the propriety of such repeal, considering, as ,
they did, that the great pre-eminence of this country in manutac-
tures, was attributable to the existing laws. The petitioners also
stated,that the British manufacturers possessed the exclusive know.
ledge of no less than thirteen machines; whilst on the other hand
the French, the exclusive knowledge of three only. Therefore no
reciprocity could exist in an irterchange of' machinery. True it
wax, that many persons expected that if the free exportation were
allowed, much advantage would arise from the large orders for
machinery which would immediately be made ; but the petitioners
thought that the repeal of the prohibitory laws would rather cause
' the transfer of' extensive manufacturing establishments to foreign
countries. The Honourable Gentleman proceeded to read numer-
ous extracts from the petition, all tending to show the impolicy
of repealing the laws. He was satisfied, he said, that even then
machinery was exported; but the organisation of establiahmeets,
from the few specimens of machinery that were smuggled out of the
country, must necessarily be slow ; whilst, on the oilier hand, werea
general exportation to take place, it would materially accelerate the
period of successful rivalry (hear), and a few rich capitalists, with
a sufficient quantity of machinery, might very soon convert large
portions of Gertnanv and France into manufacturing districts. The
question he considered rot less important to the landed proprietors
than to the manufacturer; for what was it that caused the high
price of agricultural produce, and enabled this country to support
wars and subsidise the whole world, but her concentrated mechani-
cal skill, assisted by the steam engine? (Hear, hear.) To this
source wan to be attributed the great pre-eminence of England. and
when she departed from that policy which protected her manufac-
tures, she would rue the day. (Hear, hear.) The subject was al-
together one of the most vital Importance, and well worthy the at-
tention of the Board of Trade; and he thought much advantage
would result to the country if that Board had vested in it the power
either to prohibit or allow tfi exportation of machinery. (Hear.)
And if the prestmt construction of the Board of Trade were such
that it could not attend to that additional duty, he thought the
House ought to furnish means for enlarging it. A few hundred
pounds were as nothing when compared with the benefit which
mint arise from their control over so important a matter. The
Hon. Member said, he could not refrain from reading the conclu-
sion of the petition, which was nearly to the followings effect :
ft' Your petitioners humbly pray your Honourable House not to
repeal the laws prohibiting the exportation of machinery ; but should
your Honourable House not except machinery from the fascination
of a free trade, then your petitioners must beco.ne citizens of the
world. (A Laugh.) They must follow their machinery to what-
ever clime it may be exported, and will ever regret the bad policy
which drew them from their homes."
Mr. BIRCH supported the prayer of the petition.
Mr. HUSKISSON said he had listened with all the attention in
his power to what fell from his Hon. Friend, the alember for
Staffordshire, (ale. Littleton.) The subject was one of great inte-
rest to the manufacturing classes, and formed a considerable por-
tion of the labours of a Committee which had been appointed last
session, and again revived in this ; and it wan a source of much re-
gret to hint, that front his other fIittIICTOUS avocations, he was not
able to attend the Committee. The Committee WAS appointed to
see how tar Parliament ought to repe el those laws which interferid
with the s;ce exportation of machinery. He confessed that to him
those laws seemed inconsistent with the soznidpoliey el the country.
(Hear, hear.) Still he was free to admit that a rtrong feeling ex-
isted amongst those who were most intr.:sued, and eugbt to be the
best judges, that if the free exportation of machinery were permit.
ted.great prejudice woold arise from it to the mnar.ufacturiig interests
of the country. (Hear, hear.) The Committee he was convinced
must produce muck goal. for in the groat excitement and appre.
pension that prevailed, from an idea that ruaclunery iv the moat im-
portant source of this country's prosperity, their report would serve
to throw a fresh light on the subject, and induce persons to turn
their attention to the question, and see how far England owed its
superiority to machinery, acct how tar it proceeded front other causes.
One circumstance which inducer) hint to consent to an alteration of
.the existing laws was, that free egress had already been allowed to
artisans, who must of cotuse be concerned in making the mead.
nery. (Hear, bear.) Aomher.reason for consenting to the repeal
was, that the law as to patents was exactly the same in England,
France, and the Netherlands; so that a perman seldom took out a
patent for any invention, who did not Unt161,14 secure it by enrolling
it All those otber coo/dries- A still mare eogeritobjattion to the exist.

ing prAlbitory. laws was the almost Impossibility of enforcing
them ; end he regretted the parties int• rested did not state their
views as to what would make the law efficient, if it were stlfl to he
maintained. Now that he had delivered his sentiments on the
general question, he wished to state that he was not disposed to
repeal all the statutes prohibiting the exportation of machinery at
once; perhans such a course would c-eate great alarm, and per-
hapshe productive of much inconvenience and prejudice to the
parties interested. (Hear. hear.) Ile wished to advert to what
had fallen from his lion. Friend at the close of his speech, rind It
was mainly for that put pose he offered himself to the House. His
on. Fred said that a power ought us be granted to the Board of
Trade to regulate the exportation of machinery ; he did not know
whether his Hon. Friend wished that the prohibitory laws should
he repealed, and that the Board of Trade should be enabled to
lay an embargo on such machinery as they conceived ought not to be
exported ; or that the present laws 'Mould continue, and the Board
have the power of granting a license to remit the exportation.
(Hear, hear.) lie omsidered such a course would be imposing a
very invidious task on the Board, and. it his Hon. Friend knew
how numerous the applications then were for licenses, even he
would be disposed to compel the Board to decide on their respective
merits: besides, the Board of Trade had no aptitude to determine
what ought and what ought not to be exposed. Ile further 'assured
his Hon. Friend that the Board of Trade had at present as many
duties imposed on it as it could well discharge; and that he and
the Vice-president applied as much of their time to it as they pos-
"ibly could. (Hear, hear, from all sides of the House.) If addi.
none' duties were imposed on the Board of Trade, it must be con-
; stituted differently from what it was at present. For his own part,
though he had been for thirty years engaged in public life, he was
never so much employed as in discharging the duties of his present
'situation. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME, as one of the Committee, wished to say a few
word.. lie admitted the subject to be tine of great importance
still lie thought greater alarm existed than was borne out by the
evidence. He was hostile to the continuance of the existing laws,
inasmuch as he has admired the general policy of a free trade.
I Still he admitted that the opinion of the manufacturers were hostile
to the repeal, and therefore he did not press it. (llew, hear.)
lie was convinced that the preeminence of this country over
others, was owing to many other causes as well sato our superiority
in machinery. The Committee would in a few days lay their
Report on the table of the House. In this Session they had
acquired but little additional information, and it was remarkable
that none of the witnesses fixed on what particular machinery it
would be safe to export, for all admitted that every species
of machinery was not to be prohibited. The lion. Member pro-
ceeded to say, that the lime, as they then stood, were ewe
day evaded, mid machinery was constantly exported with impunity.
Ile was quite of opinion that the law should regulate the exporta_
tine of machinery, and that the Board of Trade ought not to be
allowed to exercise a power by connivance, as it were, which they
at the present moment took upon themselves of deciding what
should and what should not be exported. He would have them
legally possess that power where exceptions were necessary to be
made • let them place restrictions, but where there were no objec-
tions, would havealree exportation of machinery allowed. If this
course were to be adopted the consequence would be, that this
country would possess a monopoly forages to come in supplying
foreign nations with machinery, whereas, if the present prohibitory
laws remained, that branch of our arts would be considerably
cramped, while thz manufacturing interests would not in any de-
gree he benefited by them. With reAard to the time for proceed-
ing with such a measure, he thought that the House would do
wisily to allow the Committee a greater degree of time than the
present Session would afford to prepare their Report upon the evi-
dence before them ; end he considered that it would be better chat
time ahoulci be given to them for that purpose till the next Session
or Parliament.

Mr. A. BARING thought the Committee ought not to act upon
the theory of the case; but that everg practical effiet should b
considered before the proposed measure for repealthg the prohibitory
laws should be adopted. He would have the opinions of practical
men who were intimately conversant with the state of our menu-
tures taken upon the subject, and if there should prevail any doubt
upon their minds as to the policy of the exportation of machinere,
he then would say it became the duty of Parliament to adopt the
safer course. (Hear, hear.) It WWI quite evident, that under the
present laws of prohibition, machinery might be exported with
entire safety. The whole of that stupendous power, the steam-
engine, was earned with perfect safety. The defects of the pre-
sent law, therefore' ought to be rectified ; but as it would be im-
possible to define by law what kinds of machinery should or what
about(' not be allowed to be exported, there was no alternative left but
that otgivingn power somewhere to determine in what cases it would
be proper to permit exportation, and where it would beebsential to the
interests of the country that exportation should be restrained. He
thought such a power could not be given to any other public depart-
ment with so much propriety as to the Board of Trade. He was
quite sensible of what the Right Hon. the President of the Board of
Trade had said, that the BO:lid was already sufficiently burthened
with public doles, but he thought that the efficient discharge of
such an important trust could not be expected from any other de.
pertinent of the Government, and that therefore this power ought
to be given to it. It must be admitted that more good had origi-
nated from that Board in the course of the last few years than for
ages before. (Hear, hear.) Bat he thou ht that the Right Hon.
Gentleman ought to have the assistance of permns of judgment in
the discharge of this additional duty, and who in the course of a
very short time should establish a kind of precedents as to what
might be exported and what ought not, so that manufacturers and
mechanics might be able :o know where thew were prohibited and
where not with almost the same degree of certainty as if the
matter had been defined by an express Act of Parliament, and not
leave those points to an arbitrary and uncertain authority. Seeing
the immense labours of the President and Vice-President of the
Board of Trade, he should like to know what possible reason there
could be that those should be the only officers inadequately pro..
vided for. (Hear, hear.) lie did think that the House, seeing the
real state of the case, would most cheerfully concur in any vote that
should be proposed upon this subject. (Hear, hear.) Ile conceived
that the duties of those officers were of the most important and
most arduous kind, and he therefore took the liberty of throwing
this out as a matter worthy the consideration of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, who he trusted would direct his attention to it.
Mr. T. WILSON concurred in every word that had fallen from
the Hon. Member who had just sat down, on the subject of ten u-
neration to the President and Vice-President of the Board of Trials.
Having frequent opportunities of observing the most arduous duties
to be performed by those gentlemen, he thought there were not
two Officers belonging to the Government which better required or
deserved to have a greater provision made for them than what they
at present enjoyed. The City of London -had much reason to sup-
port any proposition of that kind, for there was not a more ready
access afforded anywhere than at the offices of the Right Hon.
Gentlemen, the President sad Vice-Presidvnt of the Board of
Trade, and every courtesy was shown and every facility granted to
the merchants of London by Orate Right Hon. Gentlemen. He
therefore thought the City of London would gladly support any
proposition that should be made to remunerate them adequately to
the important and arduous duties they had to perform.
Mr. LAW LEY agreed with what had fallen front the lion.
Member for Montrose as to the propriety of deferring the Report
of the Committee till the next Session. He as a -Member of a
great manufacturing district, felt it was only just and right fur him
to say, that in all ca es where he had had occasion to apply to the
Board of Trade, he had met with the most easy access, and had
obtained all the information they could afford him. He felt him.
self only speaking the language of all his constituents when he said,
that he would agree to every proposition for adequately remunerat-
ing the Right Hon. Gentlemen at the head of that department.
Mr. PHILLIPS said, that in order to render the Board of
Track an efficient one, the salaries should be ample. When the
head offices of that department were filled by such persons as now
filled them, the House would be justified in making an increased
provision fur them. With reaard to the subject matter of the peti-
tion before the House, he could not perceive the reams why the
exportation of machinery should not be allowed. He thought that
a regulation might he made by law. in which exceptions might be
introduced as to what articles should not bi permitted to be ex-
ported. An the law stood at present, much injury was clone to the
mechanical part of the community, without any proportionate be.
nefit accruing from it to the manufacturer. A gentleman had stated
to him that if he had free permission to export his hydraulic press,
he should have been able to have realised a fortune by It. This
case would illustrate the tendency of the present prohibitory
system.
Mr. ELLICE expressed great satisfaction at the conduct of the
Board of Trade : and if there should he a proposhion fur increasing
the pay to the President and Vice-President of that Board, he
would most cheerfully support it. He begged to ask of the Right
Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. T. Wallace). who was the Chair.
man of the Committee on the Combination Laws, when he should
be able to mak a Reporton that subject, and how long it would be
before any measure would be introduced to be founded upon that
Report
Mr. WALLACE begged to inform the Right Hon. Gentleman
and the House, that the Committee was at present considering their
Report, and he hoped to be able to lay it before the House either
to-morrow or next day, and in a few days after he should bring in
a measure in pursuance of the recommendations of the Cana-

Me. lIUSEISSON thought the course that hie Right Hon.
Friend should take, ought to be to lay the Report before the house
and bring in a Bill upon it, which should be read a first e, and
to
rfin
then suftired stand over for discussion on the second Ing.
Mr. IVALLACE agreed on the suggestion of his it lit lion.
Friend, sad would with the permission of the House adopt the
course pointed out by him.
Mr. ELLICE said he had understood thatsit was the intention
of the Committee to propose that the laws which were repealed last
year should be re-enacted; if so he certainly should give the
measure his most decided opposition.
Mr. WALI•ACE observed, that undoubtedly it was not the
intention.of the Committee to recommmd the res.enaerrent of the
laws which were repealed last year; but to recommend that the
common law should be restored. except as to those =sea where the
meetiogs of the masters and workmen might be prejudicial to each
other; aid to those cases only were the re-enactment of the lass
to be limited. The petition was then brought up and read, and
ordered to be laid on the table.

Colonel WODEllol.Y;i;resented a petition from certain rec-
tifiers of British brandy respecting the proposed raduction of ditties
nn rum. A petition was also presented from the merchant. of
Boston in Yorkshire, pilling that no alteration might take place
in the duty on wool.
Mr. KENRICK.
Mr. DENMAN said he had to present a petitiow from a gentle-
man of the name of Camper, in /which charges of a very serious
nature were made against a gentleman who was a magistrate of the
county of Sauey. fie thought lAwsuhjsct, of the petition a( Oa

highest importance to the due administration of justice, and de•
'winded the serious attention of this House. •In, consequrn re of
same mistake, he understeed that it had been supposed the no ic '
which he had given of his intention to make the motion with which
lie should eemelude his permit address to the House, had referee&
to the Magistrates of the comfy of Surrey generally, but it was not
so; the petition was directed against the individual coeduct of a
Magistrate, and he believed he mentioned the name of ?.Jr. Ken-
rick, as being the gentleman against whom he should feel it his
duty to coal the attention of the House. He now did so with regard
to two transactions, in which that individual had been ettgagrd,
and which, if substantiated, he thought would make it absolutely
neceasary that the Crown should be addressed by this House, ad.
Tieing hts Itlajesty to remove that gentlen.an from any confidential
situation which he might hold by virtue of any Commission from
the Crown- In taking this step he felt great difficulty, because it
was, he believed, the first case on which the House had been called
upon to act since it had possessed the power to address the Crown
as to the removal of any Judges or Magistrates from their alma.
thins. It would have been highly satisfactory to him if •his case
had been taken tip in any other quarter: had his Majesty's Mi.
I nisters brought the subject forward he should have been better
pleased ; however, since it had devolved upon him to do so, he
would proceed to mention the two cases upon which he proposed
to call the attention of the House. The first was that which
was contained in the petition; and the second was contained
in various affidavits which had been filed in the Court of King's
Bench on the part of 31r. Oalfiper, in a cause where that gentleman
Was plaintiff and Mr. Kenrick defendant, and by which it ap-
peared that 3lr. Kenrick had conducted himself in his character of
Magistrate in a manner which proved him to be a very unfit person
to hold that Commission. A complaint had been laid before him
in which lie acted with the greatest partiality, violence and in-
temperance, and the ease ended in the inrprisorm?nt of the party
who preferred the charge, and in consequence of ahich imprison-
ment an action was brought and the injured individual recovered a
verdict. Although, therefore, it might be considered that this in-
dividual having obtained a verdict, be was prevenrei perannally to
complain against this Gentleman, yet the pi r onal complaint of
that individual formed a very small put of the ate to npared with
the serious injury which public justice had sustained by this illegal
proceeding. The other case was one in which Mr. Kenrick was not
acting as a justice of the peace, but as an individual. In that case,
also, the facts appeared in certain affidavits, brought forward by Mr.
Kenrick himself, and which contained a statement that proved hum
to be quite unfit to fill the office of Magistrate. In this simple
general statement of the use he proposed, after h v ng consul ea
with those who were able to advise on the best course to taken, to
move, that the petition shonlci be brought up, re d, d prin eI,
and that the affidavits should be obtained from the (:oars o' King's
Bench, and also printed. in order that the whole of the documents
might be put into the hands of Members, and then:ay inquiry
which the House should think proper might af etwards be
entered into with regard to the conduct of the and victual in
the first place, and secondly with regard to the necessity of
adopting such a measure as would secure to the country
• fair and impartial administration of justice. If this course
should be thought right and proper, he had only to make a motion
to this effect. He did not know that in the outset he could be
called upon to enter into details.; but if it should be the pleasure
of the House, he would at ones pmcmd to state at large the cases to
which he had only generally alluded. • But conceiving that such
a course would be inconvenient, as It would be troubling the
House to hear the statement of the facts twice over, he should con-
elude by moving, that the petition be brought up and read ; and
that it should then be printed, and that the affidavits should be laid
on the table, arid afterwards printed.
Mr. DENNON begged to say a few words before the petition
should be brought up. XV ith regard to Mr. Kenrick, of whom the
petition complained, he could only state, that in pirate life his
deportment was in the highest degree correct and proper. With
regard to his public principles, it was well known that when that
gentlemen had a seat In this House they were not at all in unison
with Iris own, so that he (Mr. Denison) could not be suspected of
partiality on that ground. The worthy Magistrate had a few hours
ago told him, in the lobby, that hi, most earn -ot wi•li was, that his
conduct should undergo a thorough mete t;ation, and that the
whole of the affidavits should be brought forward. The only re-
quest which he desired him (Mr. Denison) to make was, that the
affidavits should not be printed before the case was investigated.
He was sure the Members of this House were too just to judge
any gentleman until they had heard both sides, and that they would
suspend their judgment till the individual accused had an oppor-
tunity to answer the charges brought against him. He agreed with
the Hen. anti Learned Gentleman (Mr. Denman), that there could
not come before this House a case of greater importance, nor one
which more seriously demanded their attention, than the conduct
of those who were accused of improper motives in the administra-
tion of justice. Before he sat down, he hoped he might be in-
dulged to say a few words to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite.
(Mr. Peel). That Right Hon. Gentleman having conferred so
great a benefit on the country by the course he had taken with re-
gard to the Law of Juries, and now with respect to the law on
Writs of Error, he (Mr. lknison) hoped the Right Hon. Gentle.
man would consider whether it would rot be better to have the
issuing of commissions for the appointment of Magistrates
transferred from the Lord Chancellor to some other of his Majesty's
Ministers--to the depatunent of the Right Hon. Gentleman him-
aelf. He thought this would be a very proper alteration.
W. PEEL observed that the lion, and Learned Gentleman who
brought forward the petition, had not exactly given notice, but had
stated that there was agrest probability that he should call upon
this llouse to exercise one of its most important functions—that of
addressing the Crown for the removal of an individual front a silta-
tion which he held by virtue of a commission from his Majesty._
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman thought he should be able to
found that proposition on two cases, which he had, however, very
properly forborne to state to the House. He had proposed to b.ing
up the petition, which contained one of those cases, to have it print-
ed, and that no further notice should he taken of it until parties had
read it, and the individual himself, whose conduct was complained
of, had had an opportunity to see it, and to give an explanation of
the charges it contained With respect to the other case, which
was contained in the affidavits, he (Mr. Peel) would state that it
Was not his wish or intention to offer any obstruction in the way of
a full and fair investigation of all the facts alleged against Mr.
Kenrick. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had done perfectly
correct in abstaining from staking a full statement of the contents of
those affidavits ; the only thing which he complained of was, that
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman did not give a sufficient notice of
his intention : it was not stated that his motion would go for these
affidavits; it only said that he should present a petition respecting
to the conduct of thin individual. There were two questions sug-
gested by this motion. The first was, did the affidavits give a fair
and impartial statement of the case? If not, were there any other
documents which could be called for that would? The second
question was as to the advanced stage of the Session ? If the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman had brought this forward earlier in the
Seasion he would have had no objection to the motion ; but if, ow-
ing to the lateness of the Session, no inquiry should be able to take
place, and Mr. Kenrick was not to have an opportunity of answer-
ing the charges, was it quite fair to lay these charges for six months
against this Gentleman, during all which time he would be acting
as a Magistrate, without being able to meet them. He hoped the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman would turn this in his mind, and
consider whether he would move for the production of those docu.
memo, unless he intended to follow it up with a motion for an im-
mediate inquiry.
Mr. DENMAN wasof opinion that there was plenty of time to
put copies of these ailidavits into the hands of every individual,
and to come to a decision upon them this session. lie did oat come
forward as having a full case in these affidavits, but as they con.
tabled factsohe existence of which were notorious, he thought they
afforded a sufficient ground for investigation. Ile considered that
the individual could not sufr much by there being printed, since
all the circumstances bad been published in the newspapers. lie
certainly could not, in justice to himself as a Member of Parlia-
ment, hays sat quietly under mach conduct without bringing it for-
ward for the consideration of this House, in order that the laws of
the country might be administered purely and impartially to the
people.
An Hon. Member, whose name we could not learn, spoke to the
character of Mr. Kenrick in terms of praise. Ile said, that haying
gone on the Name circuit with him he had an opportunity of wit.
nessing his conduct, and it was always that of a most respectable
and honourable Gentleman.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL said that in justice to Mr.
Keorick he begged to say, that the merits of the question to which
the affidavits referred were never investigated in the. Court of
King's Bench. His counsel were never heard, as the cause went off
cn a point of form. He was sure, therefore, the House would sus-
pend its judgment until Mr. Kenrick had been heard. Ile would
state precisely iIDIV that case was liapoped of. One of Mr. Ken..
rick's counsel —as heard, and only one. It was an action brought
by Mr. Kenrick against the Morning Chronicle for a libel. and on
the plaintitra counsel reacting the affidavit filed by Mr. Kenrick,
it appeared that a statement had been already made by that en.
Replan Replan in answer mthe libel, and which had been inserted by him
in a Stamford newspaper. The Court immediattly interposed, and ,
said as Mr. Kenrick had thought proper to appeal to the public
pee's, he could not afterwards claim the protection of the Court.
The consequence was, that all the facts were stated against
Mr. Kenrick by the counsel on the part of the defence,
and no Counsel were heard for him. He was relieved from
considerable difficulty in this case, from wha; the Honourable
Member for Surrey (Mr. Denison) bad stated. That Honourable
Gentleman said that it was the wish of Mr. Kenrick that the affi.
davit should be produced, and his conduct should be fully investi.
elated. He did hope and trust the result of that investigation would
be, that the impression which was at present unfavourable to Mr.
Keorick, mould be entirely removed. It had been asked whether
the affidavits would fully and fairly state the facts; he begged leave
to state that the affidavits would not properly disclose the farts,
because many things were stated in them which Mr. Kenrick had
no means of answering ; that gentleman had no possibility of
knowing that those statements would be made. I‘'ith respect to
the petition, certainly it was true that tile transactions there alluded
to was to have beet the subject of a trial ; but the trial never did
take place, for the case was agreed to be compromised by 111 r.
Kenrick paying U. He mated this, not with any view to oppose
the motion, but to show that the case could not be of very great
magnitude which admitted of a compromise for such a trifling sum.
He only wished the House to suspend its judgment until the whole
of the facia, and the answers to them, were fairly brought before
them.

Mr. SCARI,ETT suggested to his Honourable and Learned
Friend (Mr. Denman), that the most approved course to slop'
wu, to move that the paper• be laid before the Rouse, but that
the printing of them be postponed until next Session. fie wu
induced to offer this auxestion in consequence of the lateness of
the Section, from which he was apprehensive that the circumstances
detailed in them cauld not be fully and fairly investigated. It was

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fur
one,
be continued in WAS of opinion
from an unwillingness to hive the character of Mr. Kenrick pre.
judiced in his judicial capacity, that he was desirous of not haring
these documents printed, when they could be only regarded as an
ex-park statement, sod when an opportunity of replying to themwas non afforded on the other side. As to the allegations in the
that affidavit—if3i r.Ketnhrei
cyk werew6
nottrtie—ie (7tir
a proper
hie
present situation ; but he was at the an time anxious to disclaim
any opinion as to whether they were true or not. In arsdawits of
this kind much irrelevant matter was introduced, and much that on
first appearance bore strongly against the accinird party. Yet
hea th
rat was susceptible of easy and satisfactory explanation. (Hear,
3lr. YNN was adverse to the papers now moved for being
printed. The House shou:el bear in mind that they could not by
the forms of that House examine a witness upon Now, these
charges were made upon oath. They ought to adopt such a course
as woul.l not give an unfair advantage either to the party accusirg
or ACCIISV(I.
Mr. !s. lit/URNE thought the subject ought to be postponed to
the next Session of Parliament. If an investigation were to com-
mence now, whit prospect would there be of its terminating during
the present Session, more particularly as although it had gone
Through this 'louse, a similar investigation should be proceeded on
in the 'louse of I, lAA?

Mr. H. SUlSlNEBthought that whatever might be the ineon-
venience, the.lluuse was bound, both in justice to the individual
and the pubis., to hsve the investigation entered upon forthwith,
and ought not to leave Mr. Kenriek in the discharge of his judi-
cial duties, with so heavy a charge impending over him.
Mr. PEEL suggested that the Hon. and Learned Member
should bring forward a charge himself, foutided on the affidavit.,
but objected to the printing of the affidavits, as such document,
frequently contained irrelevant matter, and Mr. Kenrick might be
at a loss to know what he ought toreply to.
Mr. DENMAN expressed his unwillingness to become the ac-
CUSCr of lilt. Kenrick, or to be the framer of any charge against
him. Ile felt it his duty, u a Member of that House, to lay be..
fore it the affidavits which he had moved for; nor was it the affida-
vits only made against Mr. Kenrick that he moved for, but for the
of also made by him. Ilia lion. Friend had said that the
application to the Court of King's Bench was rejected on a poiht of
form, but the point of form was this—the person whom he was ac-
cused of having cruelly treated was acquitted at the Sessions. Mr.
Kenrick afterwards wrote a paragraph in a newspaper, rtffecting on
this individual in the strongest and severest terms, and the Court
of King's Bench naturally said to him, that after he had taken this
mode of vindicating himself, he ought not to look to them for re.
dress. That might be a point of form, but it was also a part of the
merits of his case. (Hear, hear.) As to the lateness of the Session,
he regretted that the subject had not been submitted before to the
attention of the House. However, under any circumstances, Mr.
Kenrick ought not to be permitted to go another circuit unless his
character was cleared of the imputations that at present attached to
it. So far front desiring a partial inquiry, he was desirous that
the fullest investigation of his ease should take place. He (Mr. ii.)
was anxious to state, that he had by no 'wens made up his mind
as to the real conduct of Mt. Kenrick. He certainly viewed it
very strongly in one point ; but if his present view should by future
evidence be altered (although be scarcely thought that possible) he
would be ready to declare it to the House and the public. He had
not, any more than his Hon. Friend (Mr. Scarlett) prejudged the
else of Mr. Kenrick. On the contrary, he was anxious to afford
' every facility of vindication to Mr. Itenrice ; let him be heard--
let the charges against him be refuted or proved ; but let not un-
necessary delay intervene, lest the gentlemen of the counties
through which he passes in his judicial capacity, with such charges
unrefuted against him, tnay refuse to emaciate with him.
Mr. WYNN said that the usual mode of proceeding in cases
similar to the present was to have the documents laid on the table,
and to refer them, if necessary, afterwards to a Committee. This
was the course adopted in the case of Judge Page ; it was also the
course adopted on the occasion of charges being preferred
by Lord Cochrane against Lord Ellenborough. In the latter case
the charges were communicated to the Noble Lord. A similar
course was pursued, he believed, when an lion. Gentleman (Mr.
S. Rice) preferred certain charges against the Chief Baron of
Ireland.

Sir M. W. RIDLEY, on behalf of the individual accused (Mr.
Kenrick) begged to communicate to the House the anxiety uhich
he felt for an opportunity to vindicate his character ; and that op-
portunity, in his ( Sir M. W. Ridley's) opinion, ought to be af.
forded him forthwith.

Mr. CANNING was unacquainted with the merits of this case,
and indeed of the cue altogether, except what had reached hint
through vague and casual rumour. Ile thought. however, that
the fairest mode to proceed in such a case was fur the lion. and
Learned Gentleman to move some substantive charge, and not to
move for the production of documents—or documents too sworn to
upon oath, particularly when, by the forms of this House, an
oath could not be administered, and therefore no evidence of equal
authority could be adduced against the statements contained in
them. The House could not administer an oath : it would have,
therefore, the assertions on one side upon, and the assertions of the
other not upon, which was not fair to the individual who was called
Rpm tomegative, if he could, these accusatitnts. Besides, these
.ffidavits contained many irrelevant facts, and therefore for the pur-
ims,. of laying the future of the charttcs mote securely and more
Intelligibly before the House, he thought it wouhl be better that
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman should submit a motion upon the
subject. Ile said thus much with no view of offering any obstruc-
tion to any inquiry which the House might thinkit necessary to
adopt on the present occasion ; but that they might adopt the most
satisfacto-y course, and that which was likely to be attended whit
the best effect.

Mr. DENSIAN reminded the House that in the case of the
Chief Baron of Ireland the charges against him were contained in
depositions made before the Commissioners of Inquiry, and no ob-
jection was then taken to the inability that then existed on the part
of the House to examine the party accused upon oath. He was
willing to adopt the suggestions of the several Members who Fad
spoken on this subject, as far as he could, none of whom, it should
be remarked. had directly opposed his motion. He would be sa-
tisfied that the papers should be laid on the table of the House, but
that he was desirous that they should be placed in the hands of
every Member, and he did not know how that object could be ob-
tained without printing them. He disclaimed any intention of
moving for expartc documents. It was manifest that he did not,
as he moved for the affidavit of Mr. Kenriek, on his motion for a
criminal information against the Morning. Chronicle. He would
equally consent to the production of any other document which
would throw light upon the circumstances of the case.
Mr. S. RICE, after a few words horn Mr. Canning in explana.
(ion, begged to assure the Right lion. Gentleman that in the rase
of the ihief Baron of Ireland, the accusatory matter against hint
was contained in depositions before the Commissioners el Inquiry,
whereas the Committee had nothing on the other side but the
printed letter (not sworn to) of the Chief Baron.
Mr. BARING was of opinios that the conduct of Mr. Kenrick
ought to undergo immediate investigation. After the speech which
he read of his Majesty's Attorney-General, censuring in strorg
terms the conduct of that individual—
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL intimated across the table
that he spoke on that occasion in the capacity or an advocate.
Mr. BARING resumed. It might be so. but he was sure the
Hon. Gentleman would not make that statement which he had
made unless he supposed it had some foundation in truth. The
House was called upon, he thought most improperly, to let this
matter lie over until the next Session of Parliament. But the
House should bear in mind that whilst they suspended their juslg.
ment Mr. Kenrick would not suspend his judgments. (Hear. hear.)
If such charges were preferred against any English Judge he was
'sure the House would not permit them to pass uninvestigated, and
he saw no reason, because this inquiry related to the adminatration
of justice in Wales, that the House should be more in attendance
to it. His Hon. and Learned Friend had consented to the produc-
tion of documents on both sides, an that there could be no ground
of complaint arising from a want of reciprocity of evidence on both
sides.

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Mr. DENMAN stated, that he intended to more only for copies
of Mr. Kenrick's own affidavits, and that by which he was proved
to be the author of the letter sent to the Stamford Ness.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected that his lion. and
Learned Friend would, in that case, depart tiorn the terms of his
notice, which was for copies of Mr. Kennek's affidavit only.
Mr. DENMAN expressed his desire that every document con-
neved with the subject should be lard before the House.
Mr. CANNING said that he and his friends around him were
in error as to the motion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, as
he understood him to confine his motion to certain affidavits.
Mr. DENMAN said that the error arose from theomisaion din
Hon. Friend, who had given notice of the motion for him.
The petition was then ordered to be laid on the table, end
printed.
Mr. DENMAN then moved for the topics of the affidavits to
which he had before referred.
The motion was agreed to, and the Hon. and L-arned Gentle.
man intinuited that as soon as die copies were Lid on the table lie
would move that the be printed.
IRISH CHURCH ESTAIILISIIM ENT.
Mr. lit'3lE rose to submit a motion respecting the present
Church Establishment in Ireland. In submitting such a motion he
was aware of Its importance, as well as the responsibility that at-
tached to an individual who brought forward such a mottos. lie
was induced to present it to the House from a strong impression
upon his mind, that that establishment was not calculated to pro-
mote die welfare and prosperity of Ireland, but that it a con-
trary effect, and that as long as it continued as it at present stall.
as far as he had means of judging, there was no prospect of peace
and unanimity in Ireland. As he had on three former °mamma
submitted similar motions to die House, and had gone into
the ll detail of the reasons that should induce the House
to accede to the proposition he had the honour to submit-
it would be necessary for him on the, present occasion, to
occupy the attention of the House but for a short tune:—
Much was now conceded on this question which had been formerly
denied. Sonic progress therefore may be said to have beet made, al-
though so much dread had been manifested by Hon. Gentlemen at
both sides of the House. Ile (Mr. Hume) wos as well aware as
any Hon. Gentleman of the utility of a proper system of religions
instruction. From his own experience he knew the great benefits
derived from a proper system of religious instruction in Scotland-
In that country the Pastors w:re suited to their duties. They were
nerer absent from them ; and from January to December the Irk
and only
From such a system much good must of necessity arise. Therm'
object of their attention was their ministerial duties-
From
must benefit, and the public must be satisfied. 111 called
upon the Legislature which had created the present system to eon-
eider whether through the change of times and things we wets not
mow ailed upon to review it t and if it should be found faulty and
inadequat• to its duties---if the Pastors were too numerous or too
well paid, Parliament should consider the propriety of so aftw-