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the Roble Esti Opposith (Lord Liverpool) had said that
there must have bees great diScalty in the Say of the Noble
Marquis is expression himself as to the Were of the net.
mires which it would be advisableifor the House to adopt.
Had it then ever been imagined we expected that the Nelda
Lord should stole, foe the guidance of their Lordships, say
Maine of the nature of a prescription of the corm which
the Howse ought to porseet No; bet it might have been
expected, and there could have bees no difficulty in his point.
leg out, while enumerating the evils which presented them-
selves in She present eondition of Indeed, wherein the law was
defective in the mesas of reaching the evil, end in what
00000 any iuerease of its power might be applied wish
effect to their sapnression or removal. There was moats&
that was either difficult or I in that; there was scy-
thing in such a course which had not been dome before on
similar occasions; and withal' she last two years their Lord-
ships had seen two dispatches of that nature from Lord
Whitworth. Were their Lordships to be told that, when
they were called on to legislate for the suspension of the
liberties of the country, they had Not a right to expect—
that they were nut bound in duly 10*mnd—from the Exe-
cutive Government, the most ample isfornsalioa as to she
motes of the inadequacy of the raising laws to remedy the
evils which had arisen, and to suppress and purdah the out.
rages which were committed! It was impossible nut to
suppose that such information was to be found in the dia.
patches of Lord Wellesley, not connected with details of
transactions of a secret or coufideutial nature, not mixed up
with oh ions on particular circumstances, of a descrip-
lion which it was proper and predeut so withhold, but
conveyed in remarks opus his g I view of the ac-
tual state of the country, mad the character of the dia.
terbsoces by which it was agitated. When be reflected
that the Bills before the House, although they were cake-
lased to effect a permanent cure, and to remove the causes
of the evil, had yet hero successfully applied is petting
down rebellion Is former iastances.—when he recollected
that ore of the greatest men that country had produced, one
of its brightest ornaments, soil the must ardent friend sod
advocate of its liberties (he mesas the lamented nod respect.
ed Henry Grattan), had supported its enactment on a former
.season—when he paw the peace of the country disturbed
by a spirit of outrage which arms beyond the ordinary power
of the law to control, sad which, moving with the loose and
rapidity of a torrent, threatened to overwhelm the in-
stitutions of the country, he was drives, by necessity to
adopt them as the ouly remedy which could he admi-
nistered, the only means which could he adopted fur do.
ion that which it was the first duly of the Legislature of the
coestry to do—to put down the existing evil, avid to enable
the society to fortify itself agaiast its future recurrence. A
most important consideration fur the Legislature was, what
was the nature of the additional strength which it was pro-
posed to give to the law, and what was the character of the
instruments to be employed in its administration; sod he
was sure that every man who had any acquaintance at all
with the subject omit feel that there were many peculiar cit.
to in the internal condition of 'reload c led
with three topics which ought to be taken iutu serious
consideration Emery man who possessed any information
on the subject most allow that powers might, without
fear ur hesitation, be granted to Magistrates in Eaglastl,
which it would he neither safe nor pradeat to give W.dire
Magistrates of Ireland, where peel feeling was strong awl
disseutioes of a peewits.' nature existed. He was glad to
bear the objections which bad been urged by his Noble
Friend to these measures on that score, because be did
believe that those objections, being fully god publicly stated,
would
head of the Government in Ireland to be directed in a par-
ticular manner to she cheek and preveatioo of the evils said
iiicouveniences which bad been dwelt on with sorb force.—
It was impossible to shot the eyes to the convict ioa of the
necessity of the utmost caution being used in that plink*.
lar ; positive evidruce of the gross abuse of the powers of
this Act to the purposes of private malice, or the gro-
lilicatios of selfish or party interests, might easily be
adduced ; and he requested the favour of their Lord.
ships' attention while he quoted the opinion of a Learned
Judge, and the staterneets made by the same so.
'lardy as to particular facts attending the adesinis.
traders of this law. The passage which be was shoot In
Gequote was contained ifs the charge of a Learned Judge to a
ared Jury in leelaed (Sir. Justice Fletcher to the Greed ,
Jury of she mealy of Wexford) in the year 1814. (Ilse
Noble Marquis then proceeded to read an extract from a
printed copy of the charge, wherein the Grand Jurors were
reminded that the Act consisted of a suspeasine of the
English Constitution, of English law, sad of the Trial by
Jery—that voider it any district might be proclsimedand so
put out of the pale of the law, on the reprevientatioa of any
seven Magistrates melding in it—and that when a district
was proclaimed, every inhabitant was obliged to remain at
home between the boars of sua•set and sunrise, under the
' pain of transportation by the summary jerisehctiou of the
Magistrates: and ii then proceeded to stateoliat instances
had occurred within the knowledge of the Learned Judge,
wherein parties upon wbuse fives the tremor a lease was deter-
saleable, bathe& by their oho inate and roressuoablesitacli.
meat lo life tho eatened to defeat the espectations of some hen-
gry land. jobber among the Magistrates theasselves,or someuf
their friends, a trip across the Atlantic had lices recommended,
in order to achieve the dowel', of a beneficial lease.)—(Hear,
hear! from Lord Holland.)—ln making these statentems it
was far from his purpose to ',fleet on the whole body of the
Magistrates, or on the character of the magistracy of Ire-
lead at loge; he did nut state them for the purpose of
grooodiag an opinion that there were not to be found in
Imbed, and in every part of it, Magistrates whose honour-
obleebaramer and upright conduct would defy sespicion of
sordid or corrupt motives, but he did state, and he challenged
asip man to the denial of the fact, that persons were admit.
;led to the rank and office of Magistrates in Ireland who were
'hardly ever admitted to it in England. He had known many
ism of worthy and 'viperish', persons every way quail.
led fur the office, and whom it wen desirable to have in such
siloationi,epelying to have their manses withdraws from the
commission of the leerier, because they found it impossible
to associate with many of tire individuals whom they found
•lio it. It was a matter of material importance that this
Nato of things should be remedied, sod care should be taken
that the pawns admitted to the (mercies of sorb powers
No this Bill moseyed were such as were capable of exec.
odes them with that sound discretion which it was given
So met of proper feeling and ordinary capacity to exercise.
May Ponies were to be found in the CIIIII/rissies who. be.
looped to that clime which derived their incomes from an in-
termit pr claim upon the land of an intermediate nature be-
Wes the landlord and train', sad whose rents bibelot there-
foes bite decreased by. the circumstance* which bad of late
pressed with such severity upon all those who were la any
way connected with agriculture, they were sow reduced to
that meridiem which it was neither becoming nor consistent
with the dignity of the Commission fur Magistrates to he ho.
He cautioned their Lordships against believing if the powers
of those Acts should be exercised by the existing magistracy,
under the ialluence of those excited and irritated tediums
which prevailed is, some parts of the toiletry, in the way
in which be feared they must be exercised, that then
would, when withdrawn, leave the country in the s
state in which they found it. He world not have them
believe that it would not sow the seeds of haired hoi
the one side and contempt on the other, which gave rtes Pi
that stale of feeling which led the lower orders to loot joist
the higher orders as their natural enemies; sod the
orders in too many instances regard these who were exposed
to their authority in the administration of power so deepothe
se them with which this law 'seemed them, with the coo.
tempt and ',cesium due only to the moot abject slaves.
—He thought a preference might la many places be
given to the temporary employment of military pereans
in be ditties of the magistracy instead of the local
Magistrates, as such perilous having no local prejudices
to indulge, or predikctions to gratify, but being merely
istiodeced late the memory for the troporsee purpose of
fulfilling the objects of this Act, sad being withdrawn wheel
its operatics ceased, nothing would remain to rioted the'
people of she inflictions which might have been imposed on
them, or to keep alive the angry helium of personal
ani-
mmity which the rigid exercise of its powers might enkindle.
Under nil the circumstances of the case he was quite wil-
ling to give to the Goversonseist of Ireland the powers which
were demanded. Is now, therefore, only remained for him to
address himself to the period of time which it might be
most expedient to Melo for Its duration. With respect to

I lie litopeoiliess of li. koble Irlemi leeided ldwi (Lard kiag)
' of bedsits' it to elm weeks, premstwillg it to be founded on
the opinisse, sot that the spirals. of these powers for six
weeks would be sallelsot foe reducing the evil, but that le
that time the House wield be Habitat to possess itself of
fuller information as to the WOO, assure, aad causes of
the evil, and to tarn Its Willie reasiderasion to the pow ,
sibility of devising some awaits of inedifyieg some of the
classes of this Bill, particularly that which related to the
trial by J wry, sad that which remittent .feeders of she lightest
descriptioe ageism its prwrisioas pesisbable as fetes.-- '
presuming that such was the coesideration which ie.
Sneered his Noble Friewl is soaking that proposition,
he felt iodised to yield it his entire support. lo
the view of the late Mr. inst, and of that statesman to
she. b. had before alluded (Mr. Grattan), as well an every
distineuished welcomes who had considered the state of
, Ireland, all united in the necessity of one measure of coa•
ciliation : to thew he might add the present Noble Secretary
of Stele, whose views were similar, and who, thowth long
is the possession of what is called power, yet had not had
the power to tarry those views into rent. Their Lordship.
were fist advaacing to that period *ben the nostrum of '
delay could no logger be administered, and the importset
question to'whicli be had alleded would force itself upon
them, and if the protection of the constitution, the church,
and every existing interest of society was the duty of I
that Haase, their Lordships most thee face the danger.
Without any party view himself, he world declare that ea
Admieistratius that dared sot few these important questions
was not St to bold she reins of the empire at this critical
period. If therefore at the tad of the Session he saw ao
disposition to Willi forward these important subjects, thee,
at whatever risk, he should oppose the continuance of thew
aseaseres. Dukes she Noble Earl opposite, or the Noble
Marquis at the head of the Irish Government would (to use
the Imogene of • Noble Lord wear him) raise thelarebtie
above the ordinary imesseres of eimenneo men, and adopt
such measures as the era called for, the coesextou between
Ireland and this country would be esdangered.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL begged the indolence of the
House to the few oboervatiores which be should offer oe the
speech of the Noble Marquis, sad of the Noble Lords who
preceded him. The Noble Martinis condensed his Majesty's
Miaisters for not laying eat the table the di tint recommen-
dation of these measures by the Marquis Wellesley; but he
(Lord Liverpool) coaceived that • distinct measure loiug
proposed by the Crowe, woos of its Misisters, though it did
not fetter the del theratioas of Parliament,yet might be produc-
tive of inconvenience, es the Parliameat, epos deliberation,
might think proper wailer* some whew; therefore the recom-
mendation of measures by the Crowe. was always stated is
general terms. He appreciated the great tabula of Marquis
Wellesley. search as say Noble Lord, bat he should not
have had that groat epistles of his judgment and teems if,
arriving in Ireland in the month of Jesuitry, he bad before
the clew of that mouth seat over a bag detail of the owes
of the evils which alter that Homey, and the precise
course of remedial immures accessary to be adopted. The
Noble Marquis complaieed se if there had been •o Woof.
actinic, of military force is Ireland, het every exertion
bad been made, and the army thew, iudepearleot of tbe
militia, was Nearly as great bow as it bad ever bees,
thowili,as a Noble Duke war him had observed, if there
wow a 'Hewed times the foie. it could not cm-
peosate for the waist of this Bill: it was not force
but regelatioe gad police which was required. The Noble
Lords opposite objected to the discretion vested ie the
Magistrates, and he (Lord Liverpool) did rot costeed shat
where power was gives power might not be abused ; but it
was eat given to , all the Magistrates in trebled, but an.
Seed to thew in the disturbed districts. Is was a power
which certainly ought to he looked to with jealousy, but he
coed—wot agree with the Noble Barite opposite that the
ityaisteseet of Serjeaats or Kaeg'r Counsel was no check
ow the abuse of it. With respect to the charge of a
Loused Judge which had been read, he confessed that
without lowering who she Learned Judge was, or to
what Greed Jury it was addressed, he should have thought
the Hoese would have had wale record of toovfction
fee the crime" , thersie meationed laid before them.—
This was a charge of Judge Fletcher to the Greed Jury of
Wexford, ow which he should seedy observe, the 'if the
Leaned Judge knew the ciecuesstawees to be tree, ' was his
defy to have made thorn the whence to a triode charge,
t
y
Would net aloe the Lord Chaecellew of Ireland, lu the eun-
scientioes discharge of his ditty, haw struck that Magistrate
out of She commisedoe who could so bare acted ? It seemed
Awn that document that me. were seat to Butsay Bay to void
a beneficial lease Ise lives; bet bow could that void a hens.
Arial lease? it could only threw a difficulty in the way of prow.
lag she perisoe's death--(Hear,)—• most Irish way of voiding
a bessellcial lease certsiely ! He considered that shortening
the duration of the Bill was likely toslrprive it of oae half of
its good effect'', and most therefore oppose the clause of which
the Noble Berea (Klee) had given notice. The Noble Marquis
thought it of she utmost importatice that she Legislature sad
thelluble Lord at the head of the Irish Gower...out should
probe to the bottom threaten of the evils which slims' that
coontry, stud be (Lord Liverpool) agreed wish hint, With-
out meaning to give any opinion on the question of Catholic
Emancipation, he would say, that in his opinion the evil
was much deeper seated, sad was to be looked fur in the
state of 'society in that country. It was a difficult subject,
and though legislative esiartmeuts might assist, yet time
only could effect the aeseseary changes. He denied the
existence of say coaled to exclude the Government
from considering the Catholic Question ; he admitted
that she Ministry was composed of persons differing in opinion
we that subject, sod es aloe was the Administration of 1806.
He should say aro awe at present oa that subject, when the
questioe came before the Horse he should ward up in his
place, stud if be saw It should without repugnance esprees
auy change in his *pinkies. Wish respect so what was eon-
mousy called the Habeas Corpses thispeasion Bill, he had
the same decided opiwieu as of the necessity for the bow-
rectiun Aet. This was out a local disturbseee, it was a
scheme she promoters of which were still behind the cm elide,
Hit their endeavours to extend the disaffection to all parts
of the country were vieweeried, sad if ewer it was necessary
to have this power, it was moat essentially necessary at the
present asonacel.

After a few weeds he explaaotioo from the Marquis of
Latiedoem sod Lewd Hollaud, ike Lord Chai.cellue tell the
wuoloaek, sad the. House went isle a Committee oa the
Bill.

Lord KING thee peepoeetl In gebetitete the 16th of May
ieeteed of the let of Argues us the period fur Ilse duration of
the Bull.

Lord HOLLAND end the Doke of BUCKINGHAM said
• few words wkieb were i•a•dibk below the bar; after
which the Committee divided u• the chine, *lieu there
appear ed—
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Majoilty agaimit the clause .... 46
The Bill wee obey reed a third tinge and passed.
poring he lime that strangers 'Were excluded, the Habeas
&Fru Sueprosion Bill .tut through the Committee.
• On our re-ideologies below the bar we fogad Lord HOL-
- LAND es his legs, expreseieg hie iutention to protest
grime she BM.
• Lent lILLINIOROUGH eemeeived the Bill wee seem.
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terbeoces le other moieties.

The Bill then reed • 'bird limit had passed, sad the
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