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Vffillmaithisell home& at Ms t:boner or Coventry. (A laugh.) The
Moe of Casesetne poised the Emancipation Bill on the ground
of ha befog essential to the happiness and tranquillity of the
opowery t and the House of Lords had on the other hand rejected
a as oppoeed to the well-being of the kingdom, because the Moue'
sf Lords could not continue to exclude six millions of their
fillow-subjects from the State, unless they conceived it necessity
'faits stability. To come then to the point, and granting the Ca-
entire Claims inconsistent with the well-being and security of the
coqntry : to ascertain that fact it was incumbent on the House to
,t the best information ; it was also incumbent on them to
strengthen thdr am, and show by the best evidence and authority
that they were tight in the course. pursued by the ii. SS'hat eyi-
. •
I to have recourse to? None certainly was
entitled to weight and consideration than that
. over to, govern Ireland in the most difficult
tirnes--nonc coed be more valuable than that of Lord
' been an eye-witness or the proceedings in that
!re best qualified to talk of their civil &sten.
origin and consequences. How was it that Lord
-ens en opinion which would have weight with
`which he was so disriuguished a Member ?
aim (Mr. S. Rice) have you not the vote of bard
therefore his opinion, what more can yon desire?
'hat he wanted not alone the evidence of Lord
. Lord Lieutenant of Ireland ; that Nobleman '
years in that country, during which residence
'• himself acquainted with every thing connected
• called far the despatches, as the recorded evi_ li
Representative. lie (Mr. like) might be
"'• that these opinions have been given on the ,
it were not demonstrable from reason that
.. once give up his motion. Sir (said the
cannot go from the school of the child to the I,
'd matt; but the Catholic question forces itself on
.) How is it passible then that Lord %Venal-
aad not sent his opinion on it f I call on the
in favour of the Catholic Bill to support my
as soppordng the principle on which their own votes were
The on. ndemen opposite might say, examine the
bean theraortnittee; he(Mr. R.) was sure that Vile
the Howe. of Lords to permit the examination,
s the mune Hon.Oentlemen, that such course
inconvenience.; he therefore adopted the
of maringint the correspondence. After'
observations,. the Honourable Member said that
advanced timeshare in opposition to theestholic
- weight, would prove the propriety of reenacting
It was said that Catholics were not loyal sub.
se not to be trusted. If ao they had already re-
There wawa feeling In Ireland not only of bit
ternms For recent disappointments, but a foreboding that the day of
*ape fur the Uatholica, if ir had not already passed away, would
soon set. The House was told to apprehend no danger from
-Catholic disappointment and Catholi: disturbance. They were
sold that the Catholics were peaceable, and therefore no danger was
to be apprehended frost their violence. Such language came with
- who opposed their claims. %Vhat did this
v, - that If under disappointment and
Catholics, how much more safely might
gratitude after conceding to them their rust
Neese for Somersetshire says. " Do what
dean." If so, bow can he be warranted
respects so much? The Catholics woot
praise, as little as did the Agricultural Ass*.
Hon. Baronet end Mr. Webb Hill, who
the O'Oorman of that Society, receive the
Londonderry, when he told them that the
were quiet and "peaceable 4 they spurned
enlogiuns when they foucd that he toss
reit- interests. (Isuchter.) " On Wedges.
another day you ailed me dog." Is ISt,
3 receive the praise of the is. Ilareard.
Catholics would take the advice fif a lim-
iest prayer to them was, that they *there
s—Sat. that they, at every risk, and ander
up the strongest union among their own
united in their exertions for the common
seesejl principle should be to do every ,
so merit, deserve, and &Noire Protestant
The streets wet they outing in in their
se this water, and they out are long resell
' dub wishes. (fear, hear.) Let the people
re be but unsanseas, and when that tints
He____ not refuse to accede to their prayer. (Chew
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esteemed them
the power which they held at present. The power he wished to see
see established was the power of the law, and if they desired to see
that power of the law restored to its just influence, and to take away
the control of certain—he would not call them agitators, but
'ceders of the Catholic body, they could ngt do it more effectually
than by taking away those grievances, and that perpetual ground
of complaint. Ile was sure that the succeeding generation would
view with astonishment—he might say contempt—the arguments
which had been urged against the Catholic claims in these days,
and that they would hardly believe they had, upon that question,
seemed to be deprived of all the benefit of time and circumstances,'
and fallen back to a state of thinking and action only worthy of the
middle ages. (Hear, hear.) It would hardly be credited that they
had, at variance with ever/ principle of sound policy, left it in the
power of any foreign Minister to trouble the peace of the country,
instead of following that wise, enlightened, and liberal policy which
distinguished the other proceedings of the day, and which, in that
case, would have tended so strongly to preserve the power and pre-
eminence of the country This country had established a continental
society for the purpose of diffusing its principles amongst the peo.
pie of the neighbouring nations. 'What would they think to see a
similar institution in France, to disseminate opinions amongst the
Irish ? And with what feelings could they look upon& system of po.
hey which had left Ireland at the mercy of foreign intrigues, and
taught its people to look with distrust at the proceedings of the Le.
that
of the country ? Now, with a view to support the vote of
that House upon the subject of the Catholic question, by the sen-
timents of Lnrd ASellesley—to rebuke and censure that Noble
Person, if, with a strong opinion upon the justice of the Catholic
claims, he had not pronounced an opinion at all —if he has pto.
flounced an opinion to ascertain what that opinion Vas, lie thought
that Mouse was bound to support his motion for the production of
the papers alluded to. They had a precedent far such n measure.
Papers had been produced to justify the application of coercive
proceedings against the Irish people. and were they not likewise to
be pradueed when the effect war likely to be productive of concilia-
tion and tranquillity ? Papers had been produced to the House of
Lords, and he thought that precedeot was sufficient to justify the
present motion. He hoped the House of Commons would not
refuse its consent to a proceeding which would put it in possession
of the evidence of the Chief Magistrate of Ireland, and thereby
justify not only the vote they had given, but also give the means
of a renewed effort to do justice to the people of Ireland. The
Hon. Oendeman concluded by moving—Chat an humble Adams
he presented-to IW Majesty, praying he would be pleased to fieOlim
that there be laid before that House copies of all letters or dew
patches from the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland respecting the origin
and nature of the religious animosities prerailing in that country,
and the means pointed out for allaying those disturbances, and
confirming the prosperity and security of the empire.
Sir T. LETHIIRIDGE denied that he had ever entertained or
exrressed any opinions hostile so a feeling of the loyalty of the
purple of Ireland. He was not able to follow the Hon. Alember
through his speech, but he thought the motion wait one of oonal..
derable difficulty, and that it could not be well resisted by that
portion of his Majesty's Ministers who had favoured the Catholic
cluhns. He thought the Hon. Member for Limerick had gone out
et the line of his duty when be charged the people of England
with making a clamour upon that question. They expressed their
true opinion—that expression was stronger than lie ever rennin-
be:cd—stronger. than at had ever been, although it was late—and
he was convinced it would be impossible for the Honourable'
Member for Limerick, or any other Honourable Member, to
'bring forward a proposition upon the subject of the Catholic
Claims, which would not meet with the strong disapprobation of
the people of England. He would he deceiving himself and those
for whom he felt o much interest, if he entertained any other
opinion. The lgonotirahle Member then observed, that if the
hopes of the Catholic Body had been raised, they were not raised
by those who whiled things to remain as they were, and who had
repeatedly expressed that wish ; and concluded by arguing, that
I as there had been no disturbances after the putting down of the
Catholic Association, there could not be a jot apprehension of
those dangers which were used to terrify the people of this country
now.
Mr. 001ILHURN thought it very natur4:4lnet as the How.
Member for Limerick Itsd not an opportunity of delivering his •
timents upon the Catholic Question on other tea, he
take the opportunity of putting the HMSO
opinions now ; but lie considered that it
himjAfr. Goulburn) who had already eta=
lion, to follow the Hon. Gentleman (the Mambo Cyr
ehrough the whole of his argument'. That lion. Gentsosok
argued the question as if it was purely Irish, while hetet
looked opal it al involvinga great constitutional q
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extensive and the best information upon the mite of Ireland. Be-
sides, the House should bear in mind, that after they had been for
two Sessions of Parliament consulting all classes of men—from
Peers and persons holding high offices in Courts of Justice—Aoni
the richest Prelate, of die Established Church down to poor Pre-
lates, and from Priests of the Roman Catholic Church—front all
classes of persons in short, bounding their inquiry only by not ex-
amining those the examination of whom would be likely to lead
them not into information but ignorance—after so general an inves-
tigation, it would not be courteous to the Marquis %Pellesley to
reject his testimony on the state of Ireland. At any time lie would
be glad to avail himself of the infornistion of a person so capable,
from his experience and wisdom, of udging rightly of the condi.
tion of Ireland ; but stow that inquiry was the order of the day, he
was particularly desirous of deriving information from one who,
bound by duty to know the condition of Ireland, and connected
with that country by birth, anti he believed too by an affection for
it, from his commanding station. would obtain—he would not say
acqsiiescecce in his views wish the people of this country—but at
least would challenge the most minute attention. (Hear, hear.)
It was not satisfactory to the House to say that we knew the opi-
nions of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland by his proxy in the House
of Lords. That was not sufficient. They had an instance in an-
other place of a Noble Person speaking one way and voting
another. It might be—though he did not expect it—that the
Noble Marquis who was at the head of his 'Majesty's Government
in Ireland, might write one way and vote another. However. to
prevent the possibility of mistake, it was right that the Noble
Lord should be judged by his own declarations; that his opinions
should be, as it were, reflected in their trite mirror. It was there-
fore his opinion that, for this purpose, his despatches should be
Lid before the House. He was the more desirous also that the
opinions of the Marquis IVeliesiey should appear after the speech
of the Prime Minister, which assumed so decided • tone as to
=cunt to a declaration that, neither now or at any future time,
eboteld the claim which the Roman Catholics so earnestly sought
for be conceded to them. (Hear, hear.) He was sorry to hear
that such an opinion had been expressed. For-his own part, he
bud been as long opposed to the concession of these claims, as long
as he could conscientiously oppose them. As long as he bad any
tenable !ground to occupy he maintained it, and did not abandon It
instil he saw the nakedness of the land, and was sincerely convinced
et the hollowness of the cause. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") In
the late discussions there was not a reason or a pretext of swoon
advanced, he thoogbt., fee the easainued denial of theirclainiai k
wee in deference to the weight of reason and argument on the other
side that he supported those laws. What a great temptation was
given to the Roman Catholics of Ireland to keep the peace by the
Lie decision in another place. It was saying to the people of Ire-
land, " Be peaceful as you cap be, contribute your funds to the
egigencies of the State to the utmost extent of your means ; be your
*ion founded alike in justice, policy, and expediency, it matters
eel, both now and for ever you and the constitution must be
tliws is each other. (Cheers.) This was making their exclusion
=.; it opened no prospect of a wise policy to promote the
of Ireland, and
- " Sery'd only to discover sights of woe,
Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
And rest can never dwell--hope never comes,
That comes to all."—(Cheers.)
As to the two measures which accompanied the Bill for the Eman-
cipation of the Roman Catholics, he had supported them on Re.
scent of their tendency to make the passing of the measure accept-
able to all parties. The opinions of the Honourable Secretary of
State for the Home Department, and of other Members of his Ma-
jeaty's Government on the question, however conscientious they
may be., he the more regretted, as they entailed upon Ireland the
sontinosnee of a system, Inconsistent, unintelligible, and calculated
ter retard the improvement and mar the happiness of that country. A '
peremeresee in this system, however attached Ministers may be to
their respective opinions, was taking liberties with their duties as
etweesnim eras making • plaything of a great nation and a
mighty maws. ( Hear, hear.) The danger to the Church, and the
apprehension of the draseveration of the two countries, had been
fully disproved by the evidence of Mr. Blake, who said that if such
a danger or apprehension enuid be entertained, he would not wish for
the passing oldie measure. Rut was there not danger to Ire appre-
hended from not passing this measure? Sappoae the people of Ire-
land unanimous, or seorly44, in the necessity of carrying this mea-
sure; suppose that seventy-five Members nut of one hundred Re-
preeentatima of that country to have voted for the second reading of
the Rill; supposing that of the rensaining twenty-fire some were
absent, and four or five were English Members foe Irish places,
yet with this feeling for she measure, general and dtepthrourds----
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for producing such despatches, though they existed ; and,
because communications of a confidential nature might takd
between the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and his Majesty's •
ten, which it would be highly inexpedient to submit to public its-
spection. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BROWNLOW explained, He by no means meant to
accuse the Right lion. Secretary of the Home Department of in-
consistency; on the contrary, he regretted his too great uniformity
of opinion. (Hear. hear.) He had not spoken of an individual,
bat of a system ;—(Cheers)--and he would say, that there was an
inconsistency in that system, from the difference of opinion that
prevailed amongst Ministers with regard to the Catholic Question,
which marred any plan of permanent improvement in Ireland, and
checked the general prosperity of the empire. (Loud cries of
" Hear, hear.")
Lord J. RUSSELL, after expressing an opinion, that he under-
stood the Hon. Member fur Armagh in the sense in which he ex-
plained himself, said, that although change of opinion was some-
times attended with suspicion. yet when such a change had taken
place as that of the lion. Member for Armagh, where personal
sacrifices were made, and obloquy incurred, the change could only
be attributed to honest and sincere conviction. A Ministry strong
in opposition to the measure would be better, not perhaps for the
Catholics, but certainly for the empire, than a divided Cabinet, like
the present. (Hear. hear.) Lord lingrall had informed him on one
occasion, that Mr. Pitt, in 1804, told him (Lord Fingal') that he
was desirous of carrying this measure, but owing to the prejudices
f the King the subject could not he mentioned to him ; and as
the then administration were prosecuting with energy the war
with France, he could not hazard the existence of that administra-
tion by urging the Catholic Question. This was an arrogant, yet
it was • consistent reason, but no such reason could now
he urged, as there was no subject of so great importance
to interfere with the passing of this vitally important measure.
If we were obliged to go to war, what tremendous dangers might
ensue to us from the unhappy state of Ireland. Supposing that the
present conduct of the Government, their vacillating behaviour,
should bring on an insurrection in Ireland. how would the Mink-
'era stand with the country, and how would they stand also with
the Throne? Should they be asked the cause, they would be
obliges! to confess that it was because they had not conciliated Ire-
land : upon which his Majesty might say, " Why did you not tell
me this ? you are sworn to advise me according to the best of your
cunning and ability, and yet on tissa great and important question
you have been silent, and have never once given me a word of ad...
vice." He hoped that if such a crisis should arrive, his Mojealtes
responsible advisers might be able to account for their extraordi-
nary conduct in this instance, but he owned it was such as would
ever excite his wonder and astonishment. This being the lust op-
portunity which he should have of speaking on the subject this
Session, he thought it to be his duty to state the impression which
had been made on his mind by the result of the measure intended
for the relief of the Irish Catholic; that impression, he would re-
peat, was, that this country was not safe, and that the tranquillity
of Ireland was more than ever endangered by the rejection of that
measure. Bush being his conscientious opinion, he felt hawed(
bound to declare it.
Sir W. MAXWELL spoke on the question, but he was uuscly
unintelligible in the gallery.
Colonel BAGWELL perfectly concurred in the motion of lib
Honourable Member for Limerick. He hoped he should not be
nut of order in noticing what had taken place in the other Hoeft
of Parliameat, but he could not help lamenting the situation
himself and the other Honourable Members for Ireland who wee'
about to return to that country. Ile thought that a certain nom
high in the bovernment of the country—he meant the Primal&
nister--ought, when he disposed of the question it: the manual.
had done, to have tuensioned some remedy for allaying the turbo.
lent and feverish state in which Ireland would naturally be theme_
by the rejection of that measure. (Hear, hear, hear) Another
Noble and Learned Lord had used language of a very extrsordiesay
nature, and which perhaps at some future period he would be called
upon to answer for.
Lord L. GOWER said, that during the many debates SWAIM
taken place on the subject of Catholic Emancipation, be hell geese'
occasion only presumed to offer his opinion upon it, borilless he
thought it would be better to leave the field to those who ewer,
letter able to speak to its merits than himself. On the proem ,
trahm, however, he could not resist making one or two obennto..!
line with regard to the motion of the Hon. Member for listarkk.
certainly felt extreme reluctance in opposing that modes.
'duty in Parliament had been, and would for the future be, disestegi
ea one sole object, that of Catholic Emancipation (hear, IV
rand if he thaw& that in refusing his vote to his klajtatfa
warnmeat hathwald be able to promote that measure, he ebswid ant'
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flurego._mgelry from Lando" against it mid, that naturalising the Jews would he .ariers hem the bee excitmore. The Hen.- Gentleman had main. ' for nut becoming as he h-d done--a convert of Doctor Loy
al *glum mbosag mom • ..d gigs, akawg 1i $ ilie'diae !rest dishonour to " not the Protestant but the Christian Church," eared shut they should nem *we mere with more readiness ' (Hear, hear, anti a laugh.) The Hon. 31ember, who represere
bull,
4,,1bb IbMabba, Machos, shut bum gassy Ile ggpel. anise Why this was worse than the Catholics—next " that it would en- Weft they were to do. gestiihr Wow they were In be the fore- one of the most respectable and influential counties in Ireland, li
• ass.emo mapegages big ter eameg, se mem lona, egisidff, mime danger our happy Constitution, Church and State" (cheers and senses of evil ,
.• but did thane*. Messibseeleollat that the papers all along been a strenuous supporter of that cause, which he n
goo game gbir gramma y (lose, hem) /Aegis" ro rthe laughter) ; and further, " thst it would be prejudicial to trade to be alluded to had not bees geigegiagi.ellaig vas nmeitin upon the told 'inn (31r. P.) wee a hollow cause, and one untenable in art
*or Wear the mum, sod Mei . arr err him what admit the Jews Into Lendon." He did not know what the lament subject had been negatired,aed the cam sbeariessel. The next good meat. He (lie. P.) blamed not the motives of the lion. Mem!
• her bear ado for Now. (Hear, berm) If there had been a Chsneellor of the Exchequer thought, but certain it was that the lion. Gentleman proposed tarifa...6 the inducing the Lords —nay, lie admired his sincerity—but after what had already hi
ggsee.". ...se di.' enerseadon bad been meshed, former ones did not think it prejudicial to admit the Jews to change their opinions by the prerbeeir of the sentiment, of pened to himself. the Hon. Member should rot believe himself
oboe so ago so niaebarge of ire • trey ? into Landon, or den so Downing-street. (Hear, and a laugh.) Marquis Wellesley. This was the Meerge he had ever heard of be infallible. (Ilear.) Nor should he be foremost in finding fa
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jegetioad owe 111111..1ed0. ssppnsefsg eho cedes* Agee, A Gentleman, the Meerther I believe for Northamptonshire. takes the Members of one House of Parliament taking it upon them to with others, because the genie light had not broken in upon th.
Bill of whir reerldwit to yit weigh le of another and a'different view of the question, and here he would re- produce the means of changing the opinions of 'die other : but that had broken in upon himnelf. (Hear, hear, hear )It was of
with mbeimegue ermarie gf Immo Wei mind the House that they had been told of some dark, unknown, even admitting that the opinueos of that House might be influenced last SealiQn that the lion. Member had been the chosen advocate
sag en. ageetten gge 016.111=liteggeg , raw% undefined evils, which were to arise as consequences aby Lord Wellesley, he (31r. Cloulburn) contended that they were the Orangemen of Ireland, and had presented petitions front tl
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' Wild him the nem, Aga age& their consent to Catholic Emancipation ; what those evils were he already in possession of that Nobleman's sentiments, and that he body—which he (lie. p.) was glad to find no longer existent
iligerf se Ole pies. meg a Mod orated could not exactly comprehend, but he thought that whatever they had declared by his vote that hie feelings to the Catholic body re. praying for inquiry into the cases of Orangemen requiring just
on al red ill• . use le, for might be, they would find in their parallel the fears of the 1100. maioed unaltered. The Honourable Gentleman contended too that to be done them. lie (31r. P.) had no small difficulty In end.
Gl* . bMg feed lehodinf *Ono dir • the denger. llemberhe wes now quoting, whoargued that if aeenersinaturalies- these papers would form a substitute for the examination of the Touring to induce the _Honourable Gentleman to waive th
seeddkespepleseqspinnedlegfepannoMetedanliese Redid not wish non of the Jews took place, they would finally strip the inbalsitauts Lord Lieutenant. If he thought such examination necessary, he inquinee which he was so anxiously priming on the anent
• fielull* air; bet illrigll4 samusgre the mess Ohrtual and oleo of this country of all their property, swallow up all their estates, should beteg forward a distinct proposition on the subject, although of the Howie. As to want of uniformity, it was the last clue
wir ' it ars. - Ile rebid on that assembly AS Only the and take possession of all the power of the kingdom. (Hear.) He he confessed he would like to hear the arguments by which Hon. to which on this question he was subect, for from his i
• imigrour if set the gauger Mel,. Though the Bill for now came to another Member, the Representative of the City of Gentlemen wouhl support a proposition for bringing before their coming Into Parliament he had taken the same view of it t
sapplailiali It brrithi Parliament Into collision with every Ca. London. That person took a more deep and theological view of Committees • person so high in office as the Lord Lieutenant of he now did ; and he must take leave to add, that the cha
umiak ibeeiribeli mom distinguished member, Lord Fingal!, down the subject. He threw overboard all considerations of political pre. Ireland. Conceiving, therefore, that the Honourable Member for had come iinm a quarter front which he had least reason to cap
to Ur tAsres men who paid Id. per month—though
_passed in dominance, and at once roundly asserted that as the Jews of that Limerick had not stated any grounds for hie Median, and that he it. Ile world now revert to the discussion of that question.
the. iestand against the strongest feelings of the Catholics, day were the offering of those who crucified our Saviour, they had brought it forward more for the purpose of giving opinions had had frequent and fitter opportunities than the present for i
therp eithaltted to it not only with good will, but with pleasure ; laboured under a curse, and were not fit to be naturalized in a upon the Catholic question than to obtain what he proposed, and Pressing hie opinions upon it—it was one to the discussion of wh
{he-y apnea not to evade the law, and not merely obeyed it, but Christian State. just as those who now °pease the concessions to thinking too that even if the Honourable Member did suppose such he always came with pain : he had been from the commeneetne
gave to is an enlarged construction, and it ceased to exist even as the Catholi,s argue, thetas those Catholics are the descendants of the a measure would be beneficial, that it would rather increase than and continued to he opposed to the admission of Roman Cathol
a deliberate awnthly. By their conduct they showed themselves persona who kindled the fires of Smithfield, they ought not to be en- diminish any irritation, he would give a decided opposition to the to political power; but although he differed with some of his C
deserving well of the house. They were bound alone to obey the trusted with political power. (Hear, hear.) In his opinion there production of those papers the Honourable Member required. leagues as to the propriety of granting thine claims, he could say
lance of the refute—why then did they go farther ? by, was mine as much absurdity in the one argument as the Other. Sir J. NEWPORT could not treat so lightly the feelings of say, and he would appeal to the chief and most powerful of the
beetle* they Wete full of hope—they were buoyed up (Hear.) • They had some wit and humour, too, in the proceedings six millions of people. It was essentially necessary that the brio,. vocates of those claims for the correctness of the assertion, that t
with expectation ; they knew that an inquiry was now going on, upon the ,new question. He would take the liberty to read • few of lature should be made acquainted whit the opinions of the highly difference did not in any degree prevent him from acting with th
which was calculated to elicit the truth ; they freely tendered them. them to the House, and perhaps they would throw a little livelinees gifted person who had filled foe so many years the office of Chief who entertained opposite opinions--nor did it tend. to withh
'mime as ilttnemes, for the purpose of unveiling the whole truth ; into a subject which had been hitherto dull. Ina Hebrew Journal, Magistrate of Iriland, and he could not repeat it too often, section front any Catholic the benefit of any existing law, or the full 1
Yhpy felt that if the information acquired were but acted on, the an it was called, published at that time, there appeared the follow- plished, with the assistance of the Catholic body, the difficult task far enjoyment of every right and fair proportion of the advents,
' reffsdie Association must cease to exist of itself, and that any ing paragraphs:—" :—" Received since Our kit, one mail from Jett'. of tranquillising that fearfully disturbed country. Ile (Sir John to which Its was at present entithd. (Hear, hear, from Mr. Plu
Aron on their part was therefore unnecessary. Catholics were ex- saki'''. Last Friday twenty-one Jewish children were circum- Newport) did riot wish to go, as an Honourable Gentleman oppo. kett.) He would now pass to the consideration of the despatch
arnined before the n'ommitteet not a single individual of that per. cited in the usual manner." Olean and a laugh.) Tim reports of site had observed,— fora copy of which his Hon. Friend (31r. Rice) had moved ;of i
eloasim, who occupied a place in their deliberations, or guided their the risinee of Christians in bales are altogether without founds. . Per ignes . existence of which despatches, however, his lion. Fribod seen
eeensals, who was not only examined by-their friends, but under- tion." (Hear, hear.) This was the manner cat which the people Suppositos eineri doloto. to have no other evidence than was contained in the record e
west the operation of that most powerful engine for eliciting the were roused upon the subject of the naturalization of the Jews, and lie wished to preserve peace and tranquillity in Irelmd ; and he newspaper. 'Much reference had been made to what had happet
tenth, cross-examination, by persons interested in confounding the if a clamour cculti be thins excited upon such a question, he thought thought it above all important that they should be in possession in another place—even what had passed in the Committee; anon
- wheete.e. They had before them bk. O'Connell, to give an ac. that it might be conceded now, it was disgraceful only to the of the Noble elarquis's opinions upon the best means of effecting House was irregularly. introduced into the discussion. Even
count of every transaction in his political life. They had before authors of it, and not to be taken in any case as evidence of the that object. He complained of the ringing of belle which had mode of putting questions by a Noble Friend of his (Lord Liv
them too, Dr. Pnyle, to be questioned on every topic connected truth, and reason of objections to any national measure. But be attended the celebration of the late victory over the Catholics, an pool) wan introduced, and it was said that he should not have pi
*hi the Catholic Church and its discipline in Ireland. The Ca- thought he could point out the cause of the clamour against act of folly which had done more towards pulling down the }ninon certain question to one of the witnesses before the Committee. if
theties looked forward with strong anticipation of success. They the Jew Bill, and the clamour against Catholic Emancipation. lished Church than all the concessions they could ever make to the did no: intend fo accede to the passing of the question. It i
found that their cause was gaining ground in the Commons House. At the same note Lord Chatham,, in the debates upon that Roman Catholics. Ile complained also of the conduct of that quite impossible fur aperson who was not present, and was therefi
[hey found that in Ireland it was gaining ground. (Hear, hear.) Bill (the Jew Bill) observed, that he was fully convinced reli- Right Rev. Prelate who had argued in another place upon a unacquainted with the course of an examination, to say what qu
They felt too that, notwithstanding what might be said of yeti. gion had nothing to do with the nuestion, but that the old high speech delivered at the Catholic Board, without having made him. tion it was fitting should be put, and what should not. Lear
dons to the contrary, that amongst the best-educated and higher church principles were beginniog to lay bold of the people. (Hear.) self acquainted with the rittuinstances attendant upon the delivery this subject, he would argue the question before the House on I
classes io England, the cause of emancipation was gaining ground. So he said of the question of Catholic Emancipation. Religion of that speech, and with the fact that it was the only one that had Parliamentary grounds. Previously, however, he would say to
Not an individual in Ireland connected with the Catholics—not a hard nothing to do with it, bitt the old high church love of aluDa. ever been twice noticed by the Catholic 'Body after its delivery, and his honour as a gentleman, that no personal consideration as to
Peotextant who did not entertain a reasonable hope and,expectation poly and exclusion aas brought to bear against it, and the people by them twice distinctly /reprobated. If the Right Reverend Prelate situation, or to his opinions on the Catholic question actuated I,
• that the Catholics would be placed at die close of [he Session in were made to believe that it was connected with religion, but those did not know that fact, he was wrong to argue upon a speech, until on the present occasion. There were two Bills before the Ho
betel circumstances than at its commencement; nor were these who bad recourse 10 such tricks knew that religion had no more he was quite clear it had been acknowledged by the Catholic this Session, one for the suppression of the Catholic Associate
- hopes at all diminished by' the opposition given by the opponents to do with the question than the regulation of weights and rues- Body • if he did know it, he was guilty, in his opinion, of a the other the Roman Catholic Relief Bill; whilst chimer of th
of the measure to it in that House. They met it fairly on prin. sures, or the pendulum. In die Harley Papers there were letters very disingenuous artifice, in making use of it as are presentation Bills was before the House, there might be some ground he
dole, still in a conciliatory tone, a, men entertaining conscientious upon the same Jew Bill, upon which the clamour raised at the time of the feeling of that Body towards the Protestant church. lowed for moving for these despatches. His lion. Fitted, due
feeling, (Cheers.) This the Catholics observed; instead of exciting sea attributed to a motive of influencing the elections next year. The rejection of. the measure now assumed a more painful shape the propels of one of these measures through die I louse, had git
*airy feelings, it made them regret that so much talent and sha- (Loud cries of " Hear hear.") plow much influence the idea of than it did on any former occasion, wrought up as the hopes and notice of a similar motion ; but en the day that motion i
nee *ere opposed to them. (Hear, bear, hear.) Such a en approaching election had upon the decision of the Catholic wishes of Ireland were lately to the reception of the measure. to have conic on, a sufficient nuntber of Members did
elketunstanee was likely to make the rejection less dangerous Qii)testion, he could not say. (Hearn Another letter tneationed a After all that had been said, it Was a grievous result to find that attend to nuke a House. lie did not renew that motion aft
if it had been rejected ; but what has been the consequence? liberal Bishop of Norwich, foe it seems there was one in those all was but delesion. Ile remembered the cry of 1780 and 1807, wards during their progress ; but now that another of these 13
A Bill for emancipating the Catholics had been that Session, for the days, and if he WAS half so good a man as the present as to the cry of' the danger the reception of this measure would be to was before the House, what was the ground alleged fur produci
edondtitne, placed in the hands of the Lord Chancellor, and, can. Bishop: he was well entitled to the praise bestowed upon hint. the Church. The question was not one of religion but of mono. them P It was said that Lord Wellesley recommended cert
ever circumstances, too,*Tor which there existed no precedent. It That Bishop had given his support to the Jew Bill, and on Ida poly, and the ground of the ascendancy of the Established Heti. measures, or that if he did not recommend them, he ought to
was sent up supported by those who before opposed the Claims, re:urn to his diocese lie wet insulted by the populace ; the buys of gion was but a repetition and continuance of Clint same delusion censured. These despatches. supposing diem to exist, were g
wig backed also by a greater mans of Protestant feeling than was Ipswich even called after him if be came to circumcise Chest, which had been invariably resorted to by the opponents of this celled for with a view of converting the House of Lords. So t
ever, on any former occasion, called into action. The Bill then, and placards were exhibited, stating that the Bishop was to confirm measure. (ileac, hear.) the ascertaining whether Lord 11'ellesley deserved to be censor
attended by all these favourable circumstances, was rejected by the the Christians one day, and the Jews the next. lie would now Mr.CURTEIS said belied often opposed further concession to the and a hope of converting the !louse of Lords, were the avowed t
Odom of Lords. He did no: wish to comment on the House of leave the question of the clamour on the Jew Bill, hoping he Catholics, and he had every reason to be satisfied with his conduct. jests sought to be attained by the present motion. These were,
Lord.; if he did snit would be improper, and he moo, of course, had convinced the House how little dependence was to be placed He had been often entrusted witb petitions by his constituents; he submitted, eery unsatisfactory grounds for acceding to the Ares
be called to order if he stated that the House of Lords placed the upon such expressions of public opinion in matters connected with was glad to knnw teat his opinions on this subject corresponded motion. If these certain despatchn (he would rather call th
Oorrisnons in • most disgraceful station, if he said that they chord. religion. If one of the objections to die granting of Catholic titian- with theirs, and he. felt dist he discharged his duty whilst he re- " uncertain") were produced relating to Orange ludms mei r
Bleed Its yetseeedings as nonsense and trash in the. teginntng, and cipation was the indisposition to grant any political power to the presented due feelings and sentiments of those who sent him to gions animosities, would they not, he would ask, tend to rake
worse at the cloth' (Cries of •• Hear, hear.") He did not wish to leaders of the Catholic body, he would ask whether any political Parliament. the ashes of almost extinguished religious feud, and create fresh
wee harsh terms; it was sufficient for inn to say that the two power which could be granted them, would be equal to that they bin. BROWNLEOW said, that his Hon. Friend (Mr. Rice), at ritstion one subject on which too much already prevailed ?
Houses were at issue on a partizukr question, and that no less a at present enjoyed, and which the rejection of the BiU the otherthe commencement of his speech, observed that those who sup. what he hail said he (lid not mean to convey an impression that
tagation than one which involved the peace aid tranquillity of night had continued to a greater extent than ever. It was the ported the Roman Catholic Bill would act inconsistently if they Opinion. of Lord Wellesley on the Catholic Question were at
Ireland. Were they then to say, we shall adopt the opinions of the grievances of the Catholic body which gave the power to Mr. did not support him in his present motion. He (Mr. Browalow) changed from what they appeared to be by his speech on a fort
House of Lords? Rothe' let them say, we shall pursue a con. O'Connell and 31e. Shell, and other leaders of that l>ody. Ile did would free himself from any imputation of inconsistency on that occasion in the House of Lords, and by his more recently recur
dilatory course. The present was not an ordinary difference-- not mean to 'mink disrespectfully of those gentlemen ; they knew account by supporting it. ((leer, hear.) There were good grounds vote. Bet ire would oppose the present motion for these two t
est like a difference on the Silk Bill ; the questloct was not whether he respected and esteemed them ; but he did not wish to give them in his opinion tar acceding to it, in the propriety of having the most sons principally, that no Parliamentary grounds had been acs
everwutildreele be made at Allanehnuor or f!nri,ntrs. (A leech.' The the power which they held at Present. The Power he wished to see extensive and the best information uoun the state of Ireland. Be. for producing such despatches. though they existed : and. secom

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