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man sense going
further into the consideration of these memoslous
proceedings, be proposed to confine his Tinworks to
the effect of them on the public mind sod OW,*
coming out as they did, day by day, in flonillo of
disgusting and loathsome details, the irilluense
which on she morals of the country at large could
no km*,be speeitioned. When the Bill of
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of dant ilitit;•Noei the fall lose ration to We
M•/**iti- 40411•Iiiitiglits sod ? It was
mooltentit. to Easy the soppepisson of innooonce
till illo•proof of guilt was colligate* Out surely,
if ibis role held soy where, bow math better was
akegatillad to it, who haft .otalarriasie trial *Mil
hegairsaireittora consented to ? The No-
ble-Lard now talked of the Qoassr.s‘ eodeavoariag
to erect .herself into a power wheat the Constitu-
tion. the King. the State with all its authorities.
as by; law established ;" yet the Noble Lord pro-
posed to the House to bestow 50,000/. a year upon
tier. , Why, if the assertion of the Noble Lard
were true, was not the Queen, instead of being in-
duced.. by Parliament at the request of the Noble
Lord. midi the means of making herself so formi-
dable,. immediately impeached by 'Ministers?—
Finding himself compelled to abandon tome grays
charge' at first brought against her Majesty. the
attempt to destroy her character by isisiuustion was
nustrarthily resorted to. This was not the language of
Ministers previous to the i ntroductiouof the Bi I I,w hen
the Noble Lord told the House that the Bill must
pass or the Queen be wholly acquitted. The Bill
hail hot passed, and yet the Queen woo not acquit-
ted. At any rate. it was intended to treat her is
some respects as if the Bill bad passed. Was Ibis
the behaviour of a Starteruisn, or was it that of •
shallow, wicked. crouked policy, varying from die i
to dey from the lightest impulses? And yet Jm
apprehended the worst change remained hehiud psi
mesa with regard to the character of Minister/es
winch would Nod them, in their eves-varying field**
sass, to restore her Majesty's musse.lo the Liturgy.
Miuisters were often charged with the selfishuirel
which induced them to hold to office at the ewe
pease or their characters as Statesmen; iseh,eigmer
was..tliat charge made under such justillsbia
ma-
rctunstawees as against the reigning Adminietration.
For the sake of office they had introduced measures
which he believed in his conscience they knew to
-11te founded in falsehood and iujustice....l4 the asks
of office they had risked the tranquillity of the cows.
try upon those measures—for tits sake of office they
had involved the religion of the country in the great-
est peril—for the sake of office they had dissolved
City bond of onion which connected the clergy and
the, church with the people. And all this had
beendone without soy allowable plea of political
necessity. These were serious charges. Could it
be believed that they deliberated equitably ou those
tuessures before their introduction, or that they
bad resolved on sacrificing or hazardiug their per-
sonal interest., for the sake of carrying into effect
the convictious of their uninfluenced. unbiassed
judgments? He strongly deprecated the use to
which his Majesty's mime had been perverted, in
consequence of the recent proceedings—the whispers
which bad been circulated. and the attempts which
bad been made to remove the responsibility to theSo-
• otreign,which ought to rest on his responsible ad risers.
Again, he asked, was there any thing fair, coasts. ,
'ltitioosl, manly, or just, in such conduct ? He
came now to the wretched conclusion of those
disgroceful proceedings. Here he found all the
arguments against them overwhelmed by the
majority. which they. commanded in that House,
though the decision Was against the reuse of the
whole country. He would leave the Noble Lord
in the unquestioned and wholly undisputed enjoy.
relent of his triumph on the division of Friday week
lost. If tar resolution he held in his hand should
be stet by a similar division, after that he would
give the Noble Lord no further trouble, seeing that
the,will of the Noble Lord in that House was every
thing, and the seine of the country nothing.—
/Hear, hear./—He iitteoiled to trust to thud- able
persons who were likely to follow him, and especially
to the Member for Durham, who, lie had reason to
hope, would do lino the honour no second his mo-
tion, to expatiate on the circumstances Cuss-
weird with it. Having thus, as. broadly as the
extent of the few sentences which he hod delivered.
given the impression to the House which the con-
duct of Ministers had made on his own mind, lie
would only add his candid sisuraoce to the Noble
Lord, that the object of his motiou was not only
to express the scope of the House on the cuoduct
of Ministers, but by that means to *hive term, if
possible, front power—(Cheer,)--not, as he would
alewife the Noble Lord, for the sake of the paltry
and pitiful object of replacing them by any frieilds
of his own, but through a change of men to nitro-
stuce a chatter of measure., Ile wished friends
better that to feel anxious about succeeding to
offices, rendered to the last degree irksome and
Nv urthle es through continued misgover 1111 l rot. As
to his own views. lie tilt himself so ill qualified for
office, that it was lus determoostion never to juin its
any Adiniuistrition. He would slot wish for a twat
iu that, House but for the hope of being able to
assist his friends in bringing about a change in the
policy of the country. 'He would prefer that mo-
tion of retireweut which he inientled to seek if the
Resolution he lied to propose should he discordant
with public opinion. As to his flieods, if they
shohld come iuto power to-morrow, without
tempting, in some shape or other,. to bring the
principk of Jteferut into action, lie, foe ,osier
would net atipport them.--//liar, heor.4l--
I4e, for out, be/sewed that it was a matter-of in..
daterenCe 11.1 whose hands power was .to bte 'held; •
provided the awiriciplea of freedom and the ssustitti- •'
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(ion guided than. If disaffection enisted, as was
so freqoootiy represented§ it OlaStrbe becatts, tinge
-principles were sieglected violotiet 'Bat ihot
tbs cry of *ties, woo sosoi-
'fest Credo Ste pities.. ssisith the-people
under the severest trials; considering also the re-
puTsive tone with which their Petitions were enerslly
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mire too much the patience mud forbearance slaws
by them under those trials, and the gallant feeling
the public bait nitdeetalteh lhe'prote•c-
tion of their pentectited Wadtlefencetess.Queen. The
Noble tord'opposite had expressed his deteriniuu-
,tion to meet the Ressilutien by a direct negative.
'He wished to awaken the florae to a seine of their
situation tha eyes of the nation were upon theist.
‘ll iltey really wished to preserve the peace of the
'eonoery, they would agree to his .Resolutiou.—
Tbe Roble Marquia,--after thanking the House for
the Milistlon with which they had Inwood to him,
crewel salmi by moving the following Reooln t ion :
to Thatit WA* opialo• of this Horse that his Majosty's
Moisten, is advising weasam which led to the late pee-
ecomitaitilisidihned against her Majesty the Qatar, were
notjastfied by soy motive of political expodesacy or me.
cavity; sad that their evaded thrtmehoot tended to pro-
duce ealsseopeoeso derogatory from the dip its of the Crows,
and federalist* host interests of the eciestry."
LANIIIToII was happy to concur in genii-
, mite so ably awl so feeliugly expressed, and felt it
eo
MS small honour to be connected with the Noble
Marquis in proposing measures of so promising
tendency to allay the irritation into which the coun-
try had been brought by the conduct of Ministers.
The chancier of the Noble Marquis, his known
and hereditary attaclintrat to the principles of
liberty, would induce him at say time to undertake
the seconding of any proposition that Noble Mar-
quis might choose to make to the House, cerisiu
as he should feel that the Noble Mei qui* would
never propose any thing unbecoming his high cha-
racter, and the rank which his family had so long
enjoyed among those devoted to freedom and the•
beat interests of their country. Ile did nut
deem it necessary to remind the House by par-
ticular detail of the weave and progress of those
proceedings to which the motion of his Noble
Friend adverted there was scarcely a man in the
country to whom it was now necessary to give any
further explanation of them; all he
,would re-
mark on it was, that it now appeared evidently
shot the Noble Lord opposite (Caistlerragh) five
days after Majocchni first visit to Cavite., Howe
(which took place on the 414 Frbrusry in last
hear) had declared that as to the Queen, or " the
igh personage" (a he then chose to call her),
there was not the slightest disparagement intended
to her. nor would any other attempt be undertaken
towards her except that of snaking, her &suitable pro.
vision as well as the other Members: of the Royal
Family. He was lbsurpertictslar in hiskprelimivary
atetementa, because be had been accused unjustly of
bringing forward charges which were not "efficiently
eccutate mod circumerantial.• For this reason be
had, on the Present occarion. consulted those re-
cords which were admitted b 7 the House to .be
meet deserving of credeoce. bitch were the Pesti-
meats of the Servant, of the Crown as to the
Queen iu February. Moreover, on the of
the mooing Puy (after her Majeotyte complaint
as to the omission of her name in the Liturgy had
reached this country), the Noble Lord to an-
swer to some observations and inquiries by the
Member for Lanark; bed given the Howie to un-
derstaild that none but the most amicable intentions
were entertained by the Ministers of the Crows
tuwards her Majesty—though certainly, as his
Noble Friend led well expressed it, it was diffi-
cult io reconcile the omission in the Liturgy
with the amicable intentions ',sprained by those
who lied advised it—but it afterwards appeared
that thous amicable intentions were encumbered
with one peculiar condition, that her Majesty
would consent to stay abroad. Lord Hutchinson.
ou her approach to England. crossed the Channel
to meet her. On whose authority Lord Hutchnison
had acted he hod not been able to learn. His
Lordship professed, however, to be empowered to
lay before her Majesty certain details. which
had been intrusted to him by the Earl of
Liverpool, touching her Majesty's conduct in Italy.
These were accompanied by a threat of immediate
prosecution if she sat foot in England, and an offer
of 50,000/. per assouus if she would again retire
into Italy. Li these othcs were sufficient proofs of
misconduct to warrant tau Noble Friend's Reselu-
hon. But here was the case to which lie invited the
attention of the 11.:use. Ministrts were in pusses-
non of secrets respee.irig the alleged misconduct
of the Queen, most I them transacted at her
Palace on the Lake of Co,no iu Italy. To succour
the interests of morality. at they pretended, they
met her on her approach to this country, where,
whatever had been the contlitiima of her oust life,
and however true the allegetioos respecting her
disgraceful intimacy with her menial, she most
hare consented to reliinjo.;sh t;,a intercourse
sod live iu decent tetiremenZ: end 104:0110.cd
to her to return with • halide:4lm provision.
They barred the first step taken by to relw-41-
ance (*upposing her to have been guilty k anti re-
quired her to retire to linty, to time etij..yn‘ •at of
that gross and alummiliable tivercourse, the alkslrd
esisietice of which hail bees, dernird reason std.:-
clew for the exclusion of bier name from time players
of the church, and lieraelf from the various (Iwo.
ties and immunities; of her 11101 11111.11011. Mid they
really been rititiLtis for the honour of the Crown,
tae interests of merely, or any other interests beside
their own, they could not have acted thwi. They
would have instituted criminal proceedings against
her at lino, amid have put her Oil trial in a fair Niel

coniiituttunal manlier." Ile owned that this would
have been a miller of personal difficulty to them-
selves, however they might have acted iti bringing
it about. But it was their duly to have dune it,
and do other conduct could be recnocileahle with
the rvislity of their prat-yawns. The offer which
they mink to her Majesty was indiguatitly ttjvciril.
She crossed the water, lull lit nerd tint detail lie
-particulars of tier journey from. Dover to London.
Throughout the whole line of road she was wet by
addresses of congratulation and af ertion. In none
of these was there any cull fur u trial on h.-half of
bet fialjeaty. They were all expressive of the 64-
tachontut of the people to their Queen—their coo-
lidesscg in her honour and iutioceuce--their spit-
.:pathst in her snotty deep suffevings—cad their
suitesdified hatred of her persecotors. The goes.
'lion of ekpediency, therefore, we. at An end.

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Ministers themselves Must have known that
the people would net believe io the ,gailt of the
Queen, but would persist in considering her pro-
secution •es the result of milk' mud oyprrssioo.
Her time or life put the (farmer if a &potions issue
isposeible. -*Considering the body and greet
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it Pisa not to be expected diet tbe trtatimuld be
moldered in any ether light thimtlisi lit parsers-
lion. How- then could it be pretended that Stab'
expediency, or any* suds motive, had led to the"'
adoption of a proceeding which more than any
ether 'had tended to disputes the vision which bound
the Crown and the people together ? He next
came to the Bill of Pains suet Penalties, respecting
which he would not offer welly remarks. He was
reedy to admit that those Bills were available on
very particular °religions; that on some there might
be a State necessity for appealing to them; but
only when State necessity was imperative could
their use be several:table; hi any other case the union
of judicial and legislative functions of accusers and
jurors in the saute persons, mast render them entirely
objectionable. State necessity. the only excuse
which could he alleged for the introduction (slouch
• Bill in her Majesty'. case, fell to the ground. He
knew that Milliliters themselves were conscious of
the justice of the charge of impolicy ; awl it op-
peered as if the whole proceedings had been dictat-
ed 7by malice alone, excited by her Majesty, be-
cause she was anxious to return home to her
country, from which she had not by any law been
exctudrd. Accordingly in June the green bogs
were brought down and laid on the tables of either
Hotter. The Peers had sheer° uncommon anxiety
and hastiness to come at the contents of theirs.
The Commons were in no such hurry. The great.
eat dread way entertained, especially by the Mem-
ber for Bramber, ae to the probable effect of the in-
vestigation on public morals. A motion was made,
wine!' cleared the way for certain negociations, in
Which offers were made to het Majesty of a limit-
ed
acknowledgment of her dignity aid title
on the side of Ministers, sad stn eliquali6ed ad-
mission of her rights and dignities, at least at
one Court to which she was to retire, put in on
behalf of her Majesty. These irreconcilable con-
ditions caused the negoeiations to be broken oft.
Then folloa-ed the motion of the Hon. Member for
Bramber, who, while making it, observed; that if a
smile appeared Ott lii. face at the mention of the
term green bag, lie could assure the Hodge that
there was • pang at his heart, caused by the dread
of the inquiry proposed to the House into the cons
tents of that which lay on the table." The general
concurrence of the Horse in this sentiment, was
mode pretty evident, and the Noble Lord and
Waster, toted with the mover. The motion wet'
naeocceetful in its object, end the dread of the
Hon. Member for Brerober, as to the interests of
public morals, was painfully realized. Those
Ministers who had voted for • resoturi 111 l , declatjag
that the proceedings about to be instituted, ter=
initiate hew they would, most !wove 6, derogatory
from the dignity of the Crown, and injurious to
the best interests.of the empire," persisted in ins
troducing these very proceedings. Was this the
way to protect the true dignity of the Crown, the
perry of public usorale, cad the real interests of
the nation? There was mere done to dissolve Iffe
union of the stele with the community, there was
more mischief brought open public morals by this
one act, thee ony one, the Member for Bramber
not excepted, could has 4 !moodily anticipited.—
That veil which policy had thrown over the conduct
of Royalty, witch had hero deemed by the wise
and good in all periods to be essential to the pre-
servation of civil order, had been Qdely turn
asunder by the Ministers of the Crown, and that
conduct had been subjected to the observation and
censure of the whole country. The records of rest
offences hail been raked up from the (lust and ob-
livion in which they slumbered and brought to belt.
Net one act of soy Member of the Royal Family,
of a reprehensible character, had been suffered to sleep,
though in all probability uot one of those acts would
have been remembered •r recited hind it not been
for those unjust and impolitic proceedings against
her Majesty. The House bud to congratulate them-
selves on the result of that inquiry, a perseverance
in which might have i,ivolvetl them in all the hor-
rors of civil conomoti 111 l . If the dignity of the
Crown had been injured, however, ne less was the
mischief loolight upo» the public morals. He
might appeal to every one who heard him to know
from each how great was his anxiety during the
progress of those measures, to prevent among his
family the effects of a disclosure of filth which
could have never entered into the heads of any
but the filthy fiends who described them—a pol-
luted mess of falsehood, the fabrication of discard-
ed chambermaid., footmen, boatmen, and persons
whose diameters mode credit in their depuoitions
impossible. He might fairly comment, though
he would not, on the defective and rotten character
of the evidence adduced. lie might very ptoperly
ask why Ministers were not as anxious to inquire
into the characters of the witnesses as they stewed
thesuselses eager to etwoUctie their incredible tales?
Why they had not appealed to those persons of
character and respectability who knew toe wretches,.
and were nearest to the epplicatiou of Monsters
Why were treachery and falsehood alone passports
I in their confidence ? Could they trust to nothing
. but p:rjury and falsehood The people were fully
waviotcrd that the evidence was the produce of
.ioslivrtislicto alone:. they were of opinion that the
Milan Comtnissiun heel been only solicitous to
gather lustier of accusation, and fur the erection
of that ingoisitorittl tribunal and oil its proceed-
logs they omsidered Ministers slime responsible.
The Petitions which had been in heaps laid on the
table in general demendetd inquiry into that stab-
ject, and he trusted befuee long to see the object
of those prayers grouted. The Noble Lard, in all
probability, would futinii his remarks im oppo.iiig
the motion (with that confidence which was peco-
liar to I not on the policy or justice of the pro-
ceedings aimed at by the Resolution, bat on their
similarity to those of 1806. lie was ready to meet
the Notate Lord tau that subject whenever it might
Ise tiecersary to discus. it; but it was not now
the question ; one injury could never be justified
by another. in imitation of his Noble Friend,
Le would avoid going, ,into the proceedings of
the other limier, however strongly lie might feel
us to the equity and fairness of those proceedings.
The refusal of the list of witnesses, and the sped-
ficetiou of time, places and circutostioce, cite air

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olfaction of witnesses, the palpable interfetteee of
German Counte--(fire, hearf—were -only cal-
culated to mark the its3uStice of the prosecution in
all its perm, sad to IStetri that when once a deviation
from strict constitutional justice was entered on,
the way could not be pursued without additional
acts of tyranny and oppression trkjug_pleee..at
every step. But he had to charge . Minietets /kith
the ungracious prorogation of Petliamentooof a
Parlisment moo, which, as it was the-Artier a tie.
feign. so also had it shewn it. affection. fat 'the
throne, by munificent supplies provided for
.the
Civil List ; yet, notwithstanding its claim* to
gntcietteness and attention from the head of
tip Suds% it had been dismissed without a
emiell ,of acknowledgment for its liberal provisions,
as if to convey en unjust intimation that his
Majesty shared in the disappointment end defeat
of his servant, with respect to the fate of the Bill of
Pains and Penalties. He had always understood that
the Constitution required that acts of grace and
favour were to be dispensed by the Crown, but that
when any thing harsh and severe was of necessity to
be esecuted, the Sovereign was to retire, rod the
whole character and responsibility of the measure
devolved on the Ministry. How came it to pass (lie
put it to some of the Gentlemen opposite who had
honoured him with their cheers) if they protested
concurrence ili this maxim, that it was not atteudei
to by them ? Flow came it to be reversed ? A
when the people called from every part of the coun-
try fur an act of grace and beuigait%, why was the 1
Monarch made to utter the refusal in terms of re-
buke ? But, above all, why was the Queen stall to
be debarred trent her rights, and treated as one
meriting punishment through convictina ? The
Commons hid avoided inquiry : the Lords had en.
tered into it, and Ministers were compelled to llitig
the Bill out. The Noble Lord had declared
that there was oo alternative but the passing of
the 8011, or the fullest enjoyaoeht of her rank
end privileges by her Majesty ; and yet it was
ouly the other alight that the Noble Lord made
a proposal to establish in opulence our whoa)
he had denounced as having dune acts winch made
her urine unfit for reteniion in the Liturgy. He
apologised for having detained the House, which
the was very unwilling to do. He preferred cun-
finiug his cervices to such merely as were required of
him by his coostituentie Against the reiterated de-
clarations of the people, Ministers bet up Loyal Ad-
decrees, in which, by the way, not one sentiment
was uttered respecting the Queen, or the conduct
of Ministers. They were merely declarations of
loyalty, sod of implicit and servile opinion. With
which class the House would decide, be could
not unclertalke to soy. As a reformer, he ought
wish their decision to he contrary to public senti-
toeut ; because there appeared to be scarcely any
other way of effecting a remedy for that went of
union which ought to exibi between the legisla-
ture and the constituent body. But being at pre.
sent anxious fur the allaying of that imitation
which the country at present was suffering, wish-
ing to heal the wounded peace of the country, and
imploring the House to lend itself fur once to just
sod wise measures of eouciliatiou, lie begged leave
to second the motion of hie Noble Friend.
Mr. BATHUaST rose. He professed his sorrow
at the declaration of the Noble Mom, that he
could never be brought to accept of office, as high
talents, rank, and influence, must always reader leis
name and assistance desirable to an administratio::
of hir friends. He proposed to meet the question
as the Noble Mover proposed, as a trial of the
policy amid expediency of the conduct of Miuisters.
He went into a circumstantial defence of Ministers
us to the institution of the late trial of the Queen,
urged to it as they had been by rumours, not coming
from the clainelous part of the public—(Hear.
heorl—he meant not coming from such classes as
thaw who, whether right or wrong, had been most
busy in their efforts on behalf of her Majesty, but
coming as intipmerable rumours did, and that
nobody could deny, from many persons of the
highest respectability. how could it be contended
that his Majesty's Ministers ought not to have r„.x.
stained into their foundation ? It was impossible for
Ministers to have-avoided thee:lamination. The sim-
ple question which the (loose had to confider was,
whether the Ministers of the Crown were in the
beginning justified in bringing forward the proceed-
ings as a matter of charge? The Hun, Member
next alluded to so ..seer girse by her Majesty's
advisers, that she should either have her name re-
stored to the Liturgy, or some equividetit. What
did that equivaleut menu ? At one time, one sin-
gle admission to Court, acknowledgiug her as
Queen of these realms, would have satisfied her.
But now site demands that which is quite incon-
sistent with the dignity of that House to grant.
Ulifurtuertely she had been advised to refuse that
which had been offered, the only thing which, un-
der all the circumstances, the House could grant.
Ilasitig, as he thought, now convinced the House
that some proceeding was accessory, the next thing
to be considered was, what proceeding was the best
to be adopted. The ordinary tribunal for adultery
could not be resorted to. What then remained ?
Either impeachment, or the mn'a.ure that had been
resorted to. a Bill of Pains red Penalties. Now
lie was firmly olopinicee that the mode that had been
1 adopted was by far the wisest ; but he was surprised
! at the demands that bad bees. made on the ground of
I right. Surely such &demand at the present time but
! ill accorded with the conduct and sentiments of her
hlajesty'o law adri.ers; fur surely if it could be
shewn to have been iller(al to deny the restoration
of her 'lime to the Liturgy, it was idle and richest-
! lints to talk of it ii. • matter of favour. But it
1 had barn said that a trial has taken place and an
1 acquittal teinued.-1 near, hear,fiorn the Opposi-
-1 /ton. /—He coutended that theme words, us they ap-
illy ill the Queen's case, are 1)0111 metaphorical.
i dut the House could not avoid remarking that
many Gentlemen demanded the restoration of the
mune merely on the ground of dm acquittal, as
1 they call it, and not flool sissy conviction obi their
1 it i i iii i• of the Qi...-le. .11,..,,,,....._(Lih5at cheers
I from the Ministerial Benches.)—They talk of the
1 mere technical acquittal, but have not ventured to
' assert their conviction of her innocence or purity.
I lie dud nut mean to bay that there were unt Gentle-
men in the House who did feel the Queen was in-
•ent, hot be would say that there were excep-
tions. told that it was by uo means the gement! sus-
preosinie The !tight Honourable Member then
alluded to the text pope eith which his Majesty's
Ministers had broil chergidttiouttly the prorogation
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of Parliament. U. did not conceivd that they
called on to explain the reasons that indoced
to give that advice. It hail been stated le
Noble Mover, that the sole motive that iii
Ministers to bring forward the measure was to
thew plices. If that were the opinion
_House, wily.. its the nettle of God ! let them
accordingly, and deprive Ministers of their
But if, on the contrary, the House shoat()
,opiuion, that they wee. 411314!11 Oil Atephy step,
pertinacity on their. part, sets private juteresl, I
they did not on ell occasions, as hod been set
consult for the retaining their places. but had
actuated solely by the firmest convictido that '
for the benefit of the nation, then they were
upon to negetiee the motion.
Mr. WMIIIIIOII2 commented by spitrgi.ing
obtruding himself on the attention of t e Ito
but there were time" when it became the by
duty of every man who valued the happit
his country to come forwerd, But should
account of his little acquaintance with
aromatic, fail in convejing the sentimbnts
mind to the House, he was sure the same
genet would be grouted to him which was at
so liberally extended on similar necasions.
( ilirch cheering.)—He should thereene
sour to deliver his opinions as concisely
possible. Ile could enure the Howse it
with extreme reluctance he felt hiaMelf c
nowt to support the motion of his Noble Friel
lie perfectly (011CUrf041 with him, shah soothing f
the greatest State necessity,--nothing, is fact.
where the succession to the Crown was ending/
could justify such proceedings. But it
was pretended as such; indeed they said
morality of the nation required it. The e:
set by the Queen was &succubus., But I
could be more absurd than such • stai
Admitting that the charges of which the
had been acquitted had Leca proved
I truer still they were tiiiknewn in this country
they occurred in the middle of the Mediterfr
They might Italie been known amongst the i
circles of society, but they were uithesid-of aim
that claps of the people in which all the '
worth of the nation exists.—(Hear, hear.)—t
aware that it should be said the Queen had
herself on the country, soil compelled them
(-feriae the proceedings. He (Mr. Whitmore/
of opinion, that she had been forced by them
come to the country.--(Hear, hear.)—He conten,
ed that proceedings had been commenced
her before her Majesty had cornetts this come
( Hear, hear.)--Was it nothing to strike her
out of the Liturgy ?—(Cheers.)—Was it
to give iestructiona to foreign Ministers not ti
nise her as Queen Pee (Load cheers.)—Surel:
such circumstauces there was no alternative
her Majesty but either to admit her guilt
charges of which she had been accused, and i
to have trenteuce pronounced against her
would say pronounced against her), or come as;
dose, boldly, face her accusers, and demand \
They all knew the universal distress that !worm
at that time, as there does at present, and tI
considerable fermentations existed all throue
country. How that fermentation had been
he would not now stop to inquire; but he wo,
ask, was that a time to bring forward those mea-
sures, to agitate and distract the country, and inn
creme still farther the discontent that had previ-
t
ousty esistert 7" He • was thoroughly persuaded
there was a base faction its the country. who
labouring to subvert the Constitution. ar
every species of contumely and abuse, ar,fl '
tures, to destroy the religion and defile
nobly of the nation. And was that (he
boldly sok) a time to open the sluices of obsceuity,
and pollute the morals of the country?—('
cheers.)—He was glad to hear it admitted by
Right Hou. Gentleman who preceded him
Bathurst), that in this csse impeachment wig!
resorted to. He had understood that it was
opinion of high end learned legal anthoriii
it could not. But although uo lawyer, nor even
tending to legal knowledge, or more than
nary share of common sense, he had been of.oe _
that it could have been resealed to. instead ottime
objectionable proceeding—a Ilia cf -Non tad P
. °allies. For Justice Blackstone distiuctly •
down, that any Peer of the realm may be proceeded
against for soy crime. by impeachment. He men-
tioned this for the pumas' of asking on
grounds the case of the Queen was to be taken
of the pale of the Constitution ? Was it '
the Queen was not considered a subject, or
she was proceeded against by the State?
could not he disputed that there weer precedent!
that might he adduced in favour of Bill, of Poi
and Penalties; but of that memoirs be thought
was " more honoured in the breach than iu t
ob nee."—( Hear, hear.)—Chief Justice LI
had laid it down. that it was • course that osier
pursued, if required by some great necessity 0*
that it was sr/tinserst reinedisine et ptbsi
should never be resorted to while any other
rosate
I
be had.—(Hear. hear.)
The Rau. Member then alluded to the unity it
of Strafford. Those were times of violent,/ width
would never recur. He trusted there would 1..-
such a trial in this country.—(Hear.)—But if titers' a
thing like it, it was this attempt to reiterate, the .
tome, from the body of the people.—(lord eAt are.)—/
should have viewed the conduit of Illiiiislen frith
more satisfaction (if, indeed, he could view any fart
conduct with satisfaction), had they granted IA her MI
specification of the places in which the crioresaJterred 1
her had heels committed. This would have Berri I the (
COW most materially. They say they granted • her a
derable advantage, by allowing her time to prepare
defence; he cootended, that suffering the cast for '
aeration to go forth to the world without a ray (
was actually prejudging the question.—(Msar,
He was merry ho hear the Right Hon. Gentlesmau
ceded him speak so lightly of the people.—(ll ears
Calling their just Petitions clamours. He as ie
winced the great majority of the nation we e oppeall
these measures. By attending to what to oh place
the different public raretines throughout t he Icier'
it would appear quite manifest, sad he it .ought
worth the consideration of Ministers Ili as.
the voice of the Nation were i• their fl mow
lie was quite aware that at these meetings pal Mrtly v.-
I resorted to ; but he had sot beard of any nstance
they were able to pack a majority. He Mot elf had
loyal addresser, sail he bad been aware el f their (
Cutler these &flameout's. he was ideal's! i • "th.g•
the great majority of Ilse nation arc decided!' besti'- .
alabeudd"pearli.dely:Otthatiditallytgoitt :crereaVatefejeiaa:dvivisioiHrsiollanwbeirilwlhdeeesal
pewee/ Adassuistiation sad to the meaaareq that
say man At down and coolly consider the mai e of the Pill"
the people sr
the aristocracy was mot a oast guise ail i perilous r
finery'war -

et; wens
by the
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of Om
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it was
called
Friend..
ling but
net, but
lingered,
it never
aid, the
examp:e
not him, •
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Queen
to be
luntry—
croons..
e higher
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them li,
contend.
against
wet Millie 1
lo reCOe
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I left to 1
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(fur he
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a trial.
prevailed 4
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a created ' •
to would
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oho were
and by
wig- •
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might be
was the
lien that
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an ordi- at
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tad Pe.
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roceeded
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on what tl
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rune. Could any man deity it who reflected on the slate of
she nation' Look to the debt' What was there now
to pay it, whim the great basis on which it was supported
had befit removed was & measure that torrid . poi be
anticipated without lie diesfeit appreliensian. The artifi-
cial Lees" on which' it 'had nosed hat ant been removed',
and when were sow the meson! to support it It might be said
that this woo foortor to the fridect. Nat he iistrodeeed it for
the purpose of sheaves the ereeesipity of union, of a complete
amalgamate's of liaftemte. We moil all eiraleoce, wettest
which lb. ...step osmium stoat --(Lewd eheers.)--Look 10 •
the sitosuitin of that Heine. Corniderobte Aneredit Lit beets •
already throws as it, mad be feared' float before lire present
&venni trimelisileo, that discredit would be liervamed.ns
( Hear, bear)--If he were allowed to offer arsuplaion, ho
would asy, be carefol tfiat your, hearts beatio salaam with •
the pulsation of die people.—(Lard eistons)rollut let it
not be a kilt ere. 'leached, hot a eigoroprs a health
and natural poilsetioa.—( Load cheent)7llle Contended
that the Qaftil Was eotitled to all ber rigida 'ea (ally
as if no trial had taken place. Law, justice, atJ
deneiddid 'het the Clafto should be trestored 1p
try privitsges. Ile wiped sat trespass longer os their
—(tfoor.seeao.);—lie Ball only to add, that airy eft
which be/A'defireeed did, not proceed from party motives,.
He was setnrisru to either aide of the Hoene as a pe!ti Mao.:
Ithatev'er be Lod mid.lowed from • thorough coovietioa of
!propriety, b•ad from • &divt that the priitiorti sad just de-
w/taints of • geftwoos people obensid be met with & spirit of
euricillatioid(Lited sad rootfoool Alert Anima ter'
rhilkory elk> Elm. floorirobrom's sprork).
aft edideCrstiamiasidered last, net *sly the. isPillieettir
the Illoasnarhble Grattempan who jest sot &nen, bet air earl
vane fed otoosierlw *bleb they And hero delivered, weft"
justly entitird to all the Menthol abbe the Hoeft bed
paid thesis. 00 the topics which come within lb* toe.,
&reflood ease House,' it was impossible to =poet a PAW •
menus pt. efainaseet. He bad viewed the proemia l. le
which the cottony herd heft lotely.rogaged wish a
of the deeper shame, at • time when there was ms=lipV
loads, when but domestic pokey required so mine u3OllO-
- when there were ea way important affairs lens
of which bad bees so ably alluded to in the latter
part of the Hiss. Gestlensan'is speech. When oar na,-
throat debt. avicultures, didtreas, mud our fordea policy,
were all premier as; whoa we lure our e)es to the south
of Europe. sod see the things that are gaieig forward; in
feet, whether we eoneider our foreign or domestic affairs, It
really.elseavefed that we should be dragged Into such dis-
cussion, and reordered unable to attend to them.—(lfene,
dear.)--llnt se it became oreenerny that tits Horne should
ruse to some &thrift itemisation. he hoped dlo goose
mouse except him for osoljoir Seely ilse oriptiments that
'hoed .regulate the vourthe would give to•niglit. The Ho-
nourable Hover asodecooder have brought forward area-
satiates agaiastlde Moistens, ..t for the purpose las they
fairly etate).ref regolatiog mindset of those who sneered
us—oof with nay tiworstic mews—bet as • real practical
goeelloo• Now OraOr ifijOlifr the oftemity of the too.
flow, sae of two ilitoft m leen* out—eithes lumps.
city to conduct the affilsitof ILO ftmery. or souse set of
delloquency whichr..o4ow eleipiAde Who imperiled with
(be aOloartOßOat of 11.1111. We shoed mideeftur to dre-
itowaish the,. two polift as clearly as be could.—,
It la italrrmel:•:)&ostosure aril find fault •illi •
measkie after it is- sad in most eases is not
difficult 111 eyes' butte mode of proceeding, if
begientag rife. Banker) woe mot contented with
the begnsoileg, thh coidnetiog, or the terudostion of these
proftertiogs, end now they are over, sod if beginaing
• - most dillkolt to - which was the
such as they
• fairly before'
Cllll5lllll are,
whet it is di&
use would he lb*.
earliered, whets
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visited, would it

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, former Qom.,
Ass MOO Mid Ira
••••••topt,?- %Moot
\ proposition as
og iooooMtng
um lin, poet
pripomitioo
Brooglitoo, we pre-
y hod gone, it
'to avert what
of her M +jest,
' to her Hideo.
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explanation ea the
•s, be thought,
did am, hum
avert those evih.
the Howe
ran, that the
Nt the prefer-
had seconded
Kaue foto a
modes of pro-
inform the
and Penalties,
means 1111C00.-
‘ was, whether
talk as some
Majesty by a
litt4ord. 'To

...me quest._ (self, tesoluttota could
rural, nothing bat an entire change of AdMinistro-
lioni being himself indifferent of mkt( itiodiwiduais
she Admsoistration woo composed.—( Hear, hear.)—
.He should be ready to support any Adininierotion,
on long as they acted conformably to his opinion of
right. The number of persons lie this countrpaho
11 education and abilities were qualified to take
part iii the conduct of affairs, was larger, perhaps,
then all Europe besides ; hut though thee number
was so large, the choice ler the Sovereign srsajw
14te••icw 114.4441Let_caufuled within much narrower
hounds.. Besides talents and education, the per-
"us malt posiass other qualifications, and must
IttPlwo *we the public 'swim the Sovertign, which
only he the rue by beiog in Parliament. " Its the
prawns orate of parties. (said the Hoonoolio•ble Gentkman), it
it no perfectly plain that if you eseinde Shut patty, you
/rise Ilels."--ktangItter.)—Rut the House most colander
those Grislier...a who were candidates for place,for the INot
llon.Centfrman (Me Tierney) had crinkly stated he shoed
not be micro front odlice; and he (Mr. Bombes) was one of
those who Iltorght that general reflections against plaremen,
were shook," against those whom the country had the great-
eat obligatioa• to, The Moose moat corroder that there
""in lit e country • dangerous faction, mat towing to any
peat degree, he hoped, is OW lionse.—(Largitlet
lie %timid repeat there was a iimperito faction is the corm.
whoa/ waieralmsvonring to extend itself, by catching
Wilda • very topic of (hammers, ea a WM*. to promote that
cmfialoation in wheels they rialtos! to Amulet the coottatry.
griollomen of owe of the par tie, of which be Walk
41" ekrer huh vertu confidence to that party by alluding
prtbht waertuta• These alight not he soy direct under.
"11.a".11Is hen there was a sort coommatioss which Armed
am" "lutt!liotely.-0 awl ekeerc)—ii 11!10
yu mu liar
of merretrynt ; tt Imp pat to r 4 drip cowed", 1 lsim ;if the Emotion's, oppoied to Moisiateva Awwld come into
poor, (Mistime well weitiew integrity aid Ituilothr); be he-
lirverfthey worddrosbuimaille ordera which gory had meets.
4441 on "Sit wawa beariet he etteese.ll Ay* tiviell•Shein
his tvididtwce. Ile remembered that saws thin since, ow

PA
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the occasion of passing two Bills in Ihri House, mien(
*hie\ was for reyslatinejebric Meeting's, and the other for
putting some restraint au the licentiousness of the press.
he found those gentlemen the active opponents of mhos;
piiiht.-:.('egeem. law, kenr.)-sißoth those subjects were
camas of newaidersble alarm, sad Wiest seen Galled the li-
berty of the perm, but what he ended its licentiousness, .
were particular) y so, as he thought be could are it at the bet-
tom of all the fitment confosioalt, sad any gentleman who
ealtieforesed to oppose reysiatiosatio termini could sot have
his support. One Hoe. M embeer sr hese modem r he honoured,
sank be aopporied the prevail usolies, become it mast pm-
duce • Reform is Partitionist, and the Gent kluge opposed to ,
hilt Meiesty'eklioniters were pledged to promote (if nut nisi-
versal suffrage) sotto large 'and comprehensive reform at
Parliament. That wee easaliser of their plans which in tile
present ciremnsiewees id she country, mode him view wingi
alarm their eutestose into officer If they aboold come •Odost
times they would have • guerrorneat distinctly Pledwedt4
Ca
*hat was called Catholic Emancipation. Littler a thvi
Cabinet—(Neer, hafte)--they had strugglednut of that queen.
Lion, he did nut Inquire whether creditably or not, bUI
the gunner wee steered siff....-( Hoot, door, ketININ
Bet should Meg have a Goverameat pledged to that eplool.
nun, it must be opened afresh. The Hon. Gentleurienims
the other side (Mr. Menke, spoke from the Opposition side of
the House) had carried oo affairs in • manner which gem).
rally hod his support; and is the Wog war in which we
were Mimed he bedween them perseverior with spirit, tool
collie, into action all the resources of the country, whole
iterie opponents were despouding and discouraged. Under
ifseir,estspiees a must vigorous war teal crowned. by the
mod glorictee peace which she annals of this country could
AewiPor Hoe last four centuries. Seeing these things, it wan
impossible for him le du any thioi bat vote against die
motion of the Noble Loss d.
4 hit aI."IIIIACZINTosii said, he felt himself called
%moo to lay a le w words to answer to the Observa-
tions of the Hoe. Member who had just sat down. The
Hon. Membered said linker nothing on the atonal of his
Noble :Friend; het what little he bed said was is favour
of it. He bad acknowledged that he disapproved of the
beginning, the middle, and the end of the proceedings ,
against her Majesty, but in proof of his impartiality, M-
inute to torteugalost the motion of the Noble Lord. His
(Sir Jamie Maeletatosh) did not intend to go tato an exams.
nation of the last forty years, to me ham der the Him.
Member for Code Castle, is violation of the system of
Solos, bad preserved his seutrobsy. He would cut slop
to examine into Ms impartiality and indifference, although
be might think that in that period ha bad differed front
the Wivereowent less then an impartial noon would. He
would altogether leave the examination of the Ho*.
Member's conduct, as it affected Moe impartiality of his
Parlismeatary character, which, no doubt, he expected
to be transmitted to posterity.—(ffser, leer, bevel—
With respect to the panegyric pruitoueeed on his Majesty's
Ministers, grateful as it must be to them, from their bay.
lag been se little accustomed to It of late, yet I.e should
nut eater tato the particulars of it, sod though ha would
not,say what his Hon. Feared* near hiss bad done, be world
say what they had not done. They did nut approve and
promote • war, aad then refuse the supplies to carry it
on. As to the gloriona war, the praise of that mast be
ascribed to the gallant *Hirers and army of England; hot
the peace, with all its merits, he must -scribe to the Noble
Lord—that peace which was to place the tranquillity of,
Europe on a basis nut lobe shaken, but whicirTmai the Mei
hail scattered distrust between mafioso, and discord and
heart.doirsisiga between Sovereigns mod their sehjectonsl
that peace bad terminated talkie result, that the Noble Lewd
bail been obliged to diaries the acts and principles of hilb'
late allies; he had been obliged to declare them eoesetsm
to the fouidausentsl laws of this coontry, god that amine Os
operetion of those principles, there could be no suckiebt
• as astieest iodeprodeace left in Ike world. He hoped' ..
declaration which the Noble Lord had made ..
operate. as • cheek on the proceedings 'of the deem*
against the rights and liberties of mankind /Web tban
was the glorious peace established in Europe, which famed
the subject of panegyric by the impartial Member !—(lfear.)
—After the Hos. Member' had laid down his doctrine of im-
partiality, be costeinded by seerrtiag,thol,wieh theisPhtions
entertaiftedhy his Hon. Friends, it was impossible they could
be safe Ministers. The resell of his arguments, therefore
was, that the present Minims,* must be bept la sake Sr;
ever, and on that he grounded the proposition that bethinks
them smug in the beginning, the middle, and the end.—
(Hear.)—Bat, said the Hon. Member, his (Sir James's) '
(nerds near him, would redeem their pledgee—they would do
so; sad wise were they? It was the first time that • Mem-
ber of Parliament attending public meetings was considered •
crime. Whea did it Ant become criminal to communicate
with the people, to learn their opinions, to reclaim them if
misled !—( Rear, hear, from the Ministerial rfele).-When
the cheers of the Hon. Gentlemen, and their Leader who
pave them the signal, had subsided, he would give as ex.
plaostion. Was it, bamoolinek, by keeping aloof from the
people - that their eseemeittion was to bre abated ? Was It
Ml Ritter by attending to their complaints, earl by adopting
.
, sods of their plump." 81 On; 491111117 could ? Did the
IHsu. Gentleman suppose, that when a majority of the',
House bad declared war egoista the people of Beldi'..ind—
(Hear, hear, kedr.)—He spoke always of the tendency of
mesaares--.
Lord CASTLEREAGH rose to beg the opinion of the
Speaker, whether is was within the bimuils of order that
as Hoa, Member should declare that a majority of the
I House of Commons had declared war against the people?
The SPEAK ER said, be supposed there could be bat
one moieties' that the words takes singly and by thensaelves
' were highly disorderly, even in the opinion of the Hon.
Member who spoke them, and he looked, therefore, for an
explanation of them fines hint.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said be always bowed with
deference to she decision of the Chair. He had Wended to
say that the tendency of the measures of the majority of
the House were hostile to the people of Eugland. To re-
tina (min the interruption which he had received, but which
world *either shorten his restaiks„ nor deter him from the
full and fearless expression of his sentiments, Sited as
they were with toot cor In: C...="oution, and solicited*
for the charioteer of that WOM, as part of the Cbtr..titsition,
if she people thought the niejo.ity of that House were ;Me-
hl* to theis interests, the evil would be greatly increased by
their conceiving the whole of the (louse in that position.—
Tits idunourahle Member had spoken of incendiaries who
misled the people; would he have them wholly misled, or
would he not rasher that Members should gain the cone.
deare of the people. It would he recollected that at the
end of the American war Sir George Saville, the Marquis
of Soykinghs,m, and Mr. Grenville, were alsays found in
attendance at public meetings; and Sir George Saville
had in that Hove* been called to order In using- ex-
proohro, much *ironer than any which he bad ven-
tured to use. Bye so return :—The Hononrable Mini-
Mr fur Gar Castle said that they (the Opposition) were
pledged to renral the' IMO Bills passed about eighteen
months ago. Affective. was se adjective, which whither
joined to reform or see other substantive, was a word of
horror to the Hon. mesa!) -r, and this might account fur she
Iwo Bills iii queetiod, whorls were any thing hut
effective. In spite of teie Bill fur restraining pubiic
meetings, processions mid meetings more numerous
mail were ever known bad Vatic', place. Oa the other
Bill for restraining the preen, a -angling to the Honourable
'Member that press, restraimed as it was by the Act in
rarstion, was still is a state of 11C,1161110111111111S sad deserved
still further correction and era traiel from the Ministers
whom he is anxious should reuse is in their plows. If she
torsi Ashiresses spoke the truth, .sever was an Act so coin.
ptetely iueffective, for according i .1 them a torrent of sell-
lion and hdiumbetny Mid overtime oil the lund. He ttow
cone so the question of effective reform in Parliament;
but the only oust of reform here • hick the Hun. Member
womb' tolerate, was se in ft form. He was sure that
all thy advseater of extensive refit: ft would gladly avail
th. easelves of the deelaredito made by the HMI. Member
this night, for massy bad already • nymatierd a moderate
reform as isserectore. From the It .on. Member they were
essfiseigilsitve—to beanldievihee thatsi ;11resatufernorefsohrectos 4. wevereeidneetilesestandffertiivcr.,
I was ell suet of reform which, *heti ire a a local or gone-
ral deseriptioe, titled hint with Mirror.—(A lawvh.)--.
. allisafbeilearivell thmalodenrialtetherc;ollr),.eretbw"oferrefonfuleme abldikrileta

out the secret so noeqvivocally as the Hoc Member.
!Having dispatched the party part of the Hon. Member's
bored), be would not advert to She questinn before the
Holm. sieold• say tiothisi •of the (tomtit,* -of the
Liturgy, so mach Isairiog.beeit already said on that subject ;
neither should be go into tic smith). of impeach seat, as
compared with a Bill td ;Nips and Penalties, that. hay..
ing been an ably diseusied By gn Roanuiable Member who
addressed the House 'lnc tellmt lime—(/fear, hecir)—
He agree with **Hos' Mlnisteidhad pr...
paved a measure agaisist her Majesty which was Notice rrrrr y
and inexpedient. tills proof bad She Presidestlef the Board
of Control offered of the necessity of the ? He had
indeed adopted thedeetrtoe of else Me ;wen an ornament
to that Hotser—ohe medalists light Hem piedereseer,
had said that the rd,niaters were driven to the necessity of
eomeneaciag proceedings against her Majesty, or of tee/dy-
ing her as Queen Consort ant where was the UPCPO-
- of adopting the allergist'', rof promeotiok liar Q,,,,,,,?
why not 'active tier .Ifojesty as Qureb Coosiro ire
torrid see so public ammeity for HI hot he saw a Minis-
terial necessity, as they meld eel beep their places
a compromise of that mot. If She Rain. Member for Coefe
Coale thought that the enstotry, enrich in CPOiOll and relent,
ivied not he sare.ender soy edam Administration, then no
charge against them could alter his opinion; and it was on
that scrums. that the Hinsoilelalli Member on. COOl,Ol to
pass over a proteeelliec of whir* he neither approved of
the hegiuniag, the
.asiddk,, ur the rod.' The AI jousters
ought, be &swatted, 'to halm been well aware that they
could prove their case before they bad comtnetieed proceed-
ing*, and the seeessity should also hive been parsesonnt
mid undeniable. - There was nee thrsughout our History any
instance of a 8111 of Pains wed•Ptailties, except ia the ease
of John Penning, which tad le, healvearried by real laa.l°-
rifles, sod had oho Rip agailtal-4m Queen come do*" to
them, it would, suppatierg it had the same majority
as for the second reedit/44 I.•ve stilt have bad little
more than such a majartigr'ae hi the ease of a rum.
twos Jury sad criminal promnidisig no maw he this cuoutry
ever yet was eiteented. la eutichision the Hes. Member
contended that although the mistakes which had been eons.
emitted by Kiloliters might be wady errors of jadgeteut, yet
they were an numerous and so great that they were quite
iiefilefeet to excite* be. foam Mice oat soy principle
except tbat of the Humberside Advoeste fur a perpetusl
Administration.
When the Hos. Metaher.sat down the cries of" Division !
division!" were very loud.

The SPEAKER at last succeeded in obtsioiug order,
when
Mr. PEEL rate and sad, that not haring hitherto had
an opportunity of speaking to•the question, be was anxious
to de M. He was our of those who viola not concur Ir the
policy el oriehselly omitting- her Majesty's name in the Li. •
turgy, sod that on the grimed that he saw nu ineonsistesicy
in continuing her am,. sad et the same preferring the
charges against her. H. coohl not have concurred in
the swills. at WoMe Lord (Archibald flaniiiton), be.
cause it had selected porticalar part of the question,
to the effect of .peejistiteing the House, when they
should be culled upon as at present to decide upon the
whole. It was the sere expression of au opinion, which if
be wens told was io have indisen consequesices, he should
Moe ea* let not so insportasS • point as the Queen's DION
haat sotiositted In the Liturgy stand as a corollary to
ospilgastatioo. Of the proast motion be must speak is
elifftwolltellesoss its object wrianipewly avowed,aud if he eosikl,
believe illogatetediogsuphost ber Majesty had originated in
any viodietiv• feelings, he ehoirld, whatever might he the.
ulterior eoutiequetsees, be ready to vote for the nintiun.
If be ilsought.tbat Mieimere (mold possibly have been so
serenely corrupt, as /row sup such motives to attempt le.
degrade the Queen, be should have hod. no hesitation re
toisearrieg by hie WOW in the motion of the Nubia Load,
whatever might he lb. cossieesces. He would rather
assent to the istrodteetims of Porliaseotury Reform, ha
*geld rather so the siontioo of Catholic Emancipates.
tattooed, thou soonest to supstel on Orlerisisitrates M sr-.
rapt as to be capable of weelesi owes. seat influenes.soe
But efts all the samideraists whkh he hothlseeta Stk. ao
'eve the setijse4, although he isit sit be Auk .le approve
lif-every pert of the toodoat Mika had been passed to-
wards the gooro, he sea give his siaride4i *restive to the
motion of the Noblo•Lath If new that all was over, they
were toselded to ascertain the prelim esetion of every es-
rtat,lhe Woe dboostiont of misty mist Oat hos Was. and
they should ascertain that the novigstiots was not perfectly
correct; that the course adopted was not the best that could
have been steered, you that was hot a silt eot ground for
such a censure. It use sot is the contrantsication made to
Parliament, it was not in the institotioo of the subsequent
prdreedings that he disagreed tills Ministers, but he could
not sown, with than in the sans of the Sae from the 1.1.
tarry. He had beard of the refusal of • obi's( wee to convey
be, Majesty to' this tuantry—he had heard of the referral
:repartee Moms for her recraloo—hs hod heard of the
sibeforsish • service of plate for her sosoomodulioo—
gala tams thing, be etruld not but disapprove. He knew
that those were Wort cd lie teed tartrate, is tbrattilPrst
that tbey were msiters of little or two weight in se-
sideratiteti *f the well informed; yet they were lie thiegt
which speeded thriogly on the public mind, these
were the taus to whose indissocs might be applied
the words of Lord Baron, whets he acid, " you may sooner
know which way the wind blows by throwing up • straw
thee by the castle( of • none" The Honourable and
learned Cattleman opposite said, that hitherto he bad
beard no uses to the question, " Where was the ne-
erveity of instituting the proceedings?" He was quite
willing to meet the inquiry. Godes. the circumstances
of the Queen's case, the subject as she. was of so
many ralwaniotts reports, be did not think it impossi-
ble that Mioisters with that evidence in their poseeesion
which had since been produced, should avoid niskiag some
application to Parliament on the subject. If they bad
probed it over wilboet say notice; if they had permitted
the Queen to assume the dignity and the honours nasal to
' her nation, without ascertaining the reality or the false-
hood of the imputations upon her character, lie really he.
breed the Heine would, at that moment have been discus-
sing the question whether the Ministers ought to be im-
peached or nut, instead of whether they were merely
deservlog of .—(Lord cries of hear, hear.)--
What! would it have been nothing to have allowed the
throne of Raglaed to have been shared by an adulteress?—
(1-foor, bear) —So her Majesty was at that time supposed
to be—such was the nature of the charge then against her.
Would it have twee an light • matter that a person under
such an iinputat los was placed at the bend of female society
in this ettentry!—(Hear, hear.)—He was not disposed, ins
referring t. what had posited in another place, to enter nits
the details of the evidence which had been there produced,
nor to seek out detached parts of it, whore's to found
an opinion of the guilt or innocence of this Queen.—
He would he the last man in the mend to put forth an opi.
sine of her guilt or innocence; that was not now the pies.
nun. Rut, fur Ilse justification of his opinion on the ques-
tion now before them, which imputed guilt to those who
instituted the charge against Ler Majesty, he must refer to
thew proeeediers, and therein he found enough to convince
his thatii bat very inquiry must have been the ultimate con-
sequence of any attempt on the pan of the Government to
evade it.--(ffeer, hear. dear.)—'That faction, of which
an Honourable Gentleman opposite had said so much,
who had seised the arm of the Queen, as a menus of
shaking the authority of the throne, on afterwards disco-
vering that dim was spew to the impoistions put feeds
in the preamble to the Hill of Palo. and Penalties, wield.
have turned with Snore unwed hostility against her, sad
have converted the silvers of RI Wieser, no the subject into
a ground of Armee against them. And if the lion Gentle.
man opposite, the Member for Kuareshorough (Sir James
Mackintosh) had been ter may to bring forward such a
charge on an impeaelintent against the Minister., it
would have been perfectly consistent with his con.
duct and that of his f.initis at the cuinmerter meta.
On the 41st February, in the last year, when the subject
woo first noticed in that House, the Hun. Gentleman declared
that he would out vote a single farthing of the public ma..
hey fur a person whitey comfort was sock as was impaled
to her Majesty ; sad the Right Hos. Centimes' opposite
(Mr. Tierney) said, that he should not be satisfied shirks
proceedings were istituierl for prevrallog the-Agorae, of the
throw. What • case might not they or any Rest.Orralleinue
who esicarred in the Rae view of the cirtastaiscea have
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Portugal; the Netherlands, and Switieeiiivil,
this requeat is arldressod to lois Majesty IP e Eita4•
peror ot. Itipsia and King of fahasof ; for Tearktr
and all Italy, to his Majesty thi Evian. ..or of.mw tin
and for all Germany, Sweden, mid
his hisjeity the King or Prusiia: The.
of the Runny' Court has already rainets-it Ilk •
iikypprore of the above or IttOUH
as the hin`d%rr S.6,ereigns title acerded to it. '•

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TUESDASV4 FtVittiastv 6, • 1
the Marquis of Tavistocc branch! rereriilre
hri promised motion last night in 'the Heaver of
Contmotta, regretting the conduct of the Mieiati.4o
in their recent prosecution of the Qualm. •The'
Noble Marquis :Jailed general view of the wbola
the proceedings against her MAJESTY, and ir4;-
ttuously avowed, that, in atibusitting his molten to..
the !Active, hr contemplated not only the oppsittfnia
say of conveying the eenaare of Parliament
Upon
the cuudUct of his MaJitertr's Miniatere iii tbii'
•
particular, but also the• means of collektingitlns
sense of the House of Commons upon the qUestioC,' • I.
whelks' the ',resent Altni.ters were any longer fora.'
tied to Ilia confidence of their RING and of 11,0
eauntry. lie further declared, that if teed 'lime
Noblemen and Gentlemen with *bombe now acted*
in Parliatnent were to succeed to the Cabinet, WI
should not give them his support unless thr,yl
avowed their purpose of effectioq some Reform in
the Representation of the People. No one r:111
suspect the Noble Marquis of having been tali/-
rimed in making this motion by any selfish or poi-•
vale feelings, for he assured the House that 'he
had fOrmed•s resolution not to form a part of any'
administration whatever.
The motion was ably and energetically seconded. •
by Mr. LAIIIBTON.
A loug, and in many parts a highly animated
debate, ensued, which was protracted to one'
o'clock, when the debate was adjourned to this day
(Tuesday.) •

The Gazelle still teems with Ministerial Arldreseet
from various respectable and venerable bodies, such.
as " the Loyal Wellington Club of Stockport;''•
the Curporatiou 'and Town Council of Irvine; two
Freemasons' Lodges in Scotland; the Magistrates
and Inhabit:nits of Thingoe, Thedwastre, Baberg,
and Blackburn, and reverel other equally well:
known places, among which ought not to be for-
gotten that rural spot " the retired-and seivesterevi •
village of Leigh-upon-Mendip." We are cur-
[wired, however, to find in the ennineration of thole
Ministerial Addresses, one from " the Grand Jury
of the County of Chester." An Address respect-
ing the slate of any portion of the country comes
with greater weight, generally speaking, from
Gentlemen assembled as the Grand Jury of
a county, than from the same Gentlemen in
their private and individual capacities; because
they are supposed, from the nature of the
inquiries submitted to them, to have received mot;
positive information concerning the actual tempo
and disposition of some considerable portion of the
community, than they could have obtained by any
ordinary means; and it is also naturally presumed
that, without having received some such positive
information, they would not have ventured to
clothe a public expression of their sentiments with
the sanction amid authority of their officio' characL
tees. The public, however, have still to learn what
better sources of information the Gentlemen form- •
ing the Growl Jury of the County of Chester en-
joyed in their Jury-room, than they might indivi-
dually powers in their own houses, where they
might lifter dinner imbibe knowledge with their
wine; either perusing the liiminous columns or is
Treasury paper, or discussing the affairs of the
station with the curate of the parish. We are not
'aware that they were required to examine any lit-
dictment for blasphemy or sedition, 'or that they, if
their own knowledge, made any presentments to the
Court of Quarter Sessions of such offences. The topics
they had to consider officially embraced nothing,
so far as we have been able to discover, beyond the
ordinary classes of crimes submitted to the juris-
diction of Justices of the Peace, and involved to
no respect question's relating to the higher mid
more important interests of tlie %tate. These Gev.
tleinen not being able to make any presentment
against individuals to the Court with whir•h
were in immediate connexion, extended their vices
beyond their own little circle, and returned a ice.-
neral hill of indictment against the whole country
to a Court where no further proceedings could be
had. These initicflievous fooleries will, we lioPe,
now have an end. The Couircils of the Nation:—
the Grand Jury ef the Empire are now aesenible:d.
and with them may be permitted to rest the care of
censuring Of protecting the country as taterbokty
may reclaim We are at a loss to Imagine what
good eau be expected to arise from making general
and unanthenticated charges, either ilire;sily or by
implication, against the woos hotly of the
If these Ministerial Addeelhera can voloninincii,te
any specide Tiets, ei(her to the Gdyer-sime,qt:or' tis•
Parliament% we doubt .tio!:ltheusitiltroprly.
aUesdad &raga ts4l4terh
sod it iststatejl boo

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again; be should Bid it moat difficult to may who
hest plait of procisediag. These °pitiless, us
were, were hie ewe; snot he should lay thee I
the Moose. But Roves peculiarly bawd to ce
11011 whet. am lasi, is terusiosted, am& vibes
van. to say if begimpiug Apia, what rouse s
wisest to pursue. , Sod would it be moll
thepe.romiours prorc*st frost all qinietenli gni
show, but from. eveiONsol where the Meets vigil
":11a:tet
be
proper.. -... sapesse Wen peomamigattu
ally lemowa,that the should he reorivotl i
try as if her two lite that 0 lister
wog ma'am soy t 11l AN 11111111011kieli IS
raids to her that ' with such coehtues
the Boost retioeli lit that it was arch a pr,
-would he accepted?' sieve they not sabosittiot
lite the preposition that'lsad beer wade to them ,
The Hight Hoe. Meagher thee adverted to the
with which her Majesty's law officer (Mr. Brost
lit twist) bed hers introeld. As far as the ease I
appears that Ministers' Bird done all they could t
they considered au evll4,lwasooly, the cousin of
to this country. Tin asemaga was delivered II
irl, tan odleer, who" light At to go charged I
are toli:,,ihni,CnolnllF er,tifs.Asabaussdor ot,
at his edeetasi.; IPli i, Mai* ty 'rye, reel', dil
her own eosit.l3liiVaigief bad beets 'billed wit
Gentleman stated,. that S. lip ta trould • tow
should explain his 'conduct. Na (Wr. Batts:) 11
"'Vag in due **wastes, that time might se
preemett to arribe; he though: !La Wiled I
sired when Ihti route l Unnourable and Learoeu
inight Near e Mouse with roe explains
subject. Volt r all these encomiast's, I
it was too bard to say that Ministers did
the begimnag, *bee some dispositiom to avert
The ugitiew c.!rtaisily never came before i
of Commons, but his own opinion was
ifinde by impenchntent would louse been
7 *We ' The /ion. Member who has
the mot' n of the Noble Marquis, ltd v
.Wry IV; . e di.eussion on die different ma
...,.-dis. ; hut it wits hardly necessary to
'Lin. i letulser. thin Bills of rains and
•rhouili out common, were yet by no me
stit.fitional, and the ouly question bete as,
the.mvplicaltott was peeper or not. To ti
Grotlemen had done. of tryin7 her M
Jtay of the country, was really too al
dame to the question itself, the Re.olt