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the revenue was stilitiaerea,iiii,lat gig* him on
ides of the r.sourcee of the eouutry whit* he could
uever hive insegined.
Mr. WILLIAMS .aid, that if he were to detain
the Ilonse from going into the Committer, when he
thought they were hke-tv to take steps of
make
remedy, her/mild think it nrcespary to mske some

tiro
hr* bounden duty to. sappol the motion of his
lion. Friend, and feeling (hat he was not with.
!lidding their attention-4am the means of pairribli.l
relief by so doing, he !would trouble them aloha I
few observations. They ought first to rentmlitt!
what was the general language of the petitions wltkh
had been heaped upon their table; their prayer was
not for • distant, a remote, • speculative relief, which
might or might not he attained, or which would
come to the relief of the rising generations, whets
the present race of farmers and holders should be
swept away ; but their prayer was immedietely, ;ma
without any exception or qualification, for u colt•
sidersble and immediate reduction of taxation. He
considered that the ground *lra now open—the ex-
pedient of the Noble Lord was withdrawn—the
ceremonial was gone through—the plan was dui.,
posed of, great is it wee, mid impossible as the
Hon. Baronet (Member for Wertroilister) found it
to gave it adequate praise; there was no other ow
foot which professed to have an immediate tendency
to relief. What inference should they make; what
aspect did the situation of the House presets' ?
Would it oot he fair to say, that in proportion as
the wisdom of the wise hid been found defi-
gsts the reasons were more and more abundant
or taking up the suggestions of that plain,
strong, direct sense which the Petitioner* them.
selves had of their own case ? What was the lan.
gunge of the Petitions ? Did they not all confise
their prayer to one of two remedies—reformation
of the Commons House of Parliament, and relive.
Lion of taxation ? On the first of these Subjects,
after the discussion and division of the other night,
he did not mean to say any thing spon it—but
that he regretted he was not present to add to
the mitunity on the other topic, taxation—srus
there soy man who would contend that reduction
would not hive some immediate of of relief ?
He was not now speaking of the quantity of that
reduction. If it were small, was it not better thsn
any of the proposal', which contained none ? If
Gentlemen would tell him that the repeal of the
tax on silt, leather, mop, and candles, would do•
little in the sum of things—his reply would be, that
this would do empethiug. But the proposelabei-
fore the House bail no tendency, no °otter*.
tion, but to mislead public opinion, and With.,
draw that which the Petitioners possessed, a de.
Free of manly fortitude in bearing their adversity,
.il. the House had really no remedy to propose, it
would
bt but right freUkly to avow it, • and stairs
that us the cute never before occurred iu the sh•pw
of distress, so Parliament could suggest no mesas-
for the relief of it ; but if, as no mast in his senses
relief was to be had from taxation re-
duced—Was there then nothing to be done? Eco-
nomy was • lesson that Ministers might yet trim):
it *us. a dot:tante which, neither with them
nor any other*, was self-taught. It was thought
of first by the representatives when their cosi-
stituents (ansoimptlmireseatieuttn who hail the mis.
fortune to have say) made the denial of their
importunity incooveuient.' The practice off it
begau with Minister/ when Parliament town to
refuse the attifliii. To come to paitictilik 'then,
were the Colonsies, op ample field for rgdoccioo,
Let those whirls insole riot provide the expenses of
their own government, and were not of paramount
. importatics, have their expenses withheld,
Hat Was reduction within their reach—not re:not
—not to operate at distant or uncertain time—b 4
such a ready and useful reduction as the
demanded. Wm theism:amity fur reduction pleas.
ing or am! P. If the distress raged to the rxl
tent the Peutloheri descrihed, untidier groused o
retrenchamnst -ovoid be open to the Howe. And
what winsathat His speech might not be very
plausible; but in • core of urgent necessity, such
ids theyieletritt was admitted to he, there might to bs
ireductiim of ell, from the highest to the loweaf
in the Slate, who were paid nut of the taxes of thug
eitutWir. might trot be a pleasant remedy.; II
disease had no pleasant or agreeable symptoms. I •
the language of the petitions were true, 'it was •
question in issue between the amioilants 4'
Goversirent mid the destruction of one slaws
061 e trowel gist of the interests of the empires
Something had been said in the speeches of lumpy
Geol.-mew, Hon. Members of dirt Home. respect:.
ing the opinion of the people of N uglsod ;
H se tic; •
they in that Howie were receding fronts die few
and gond will of the people of &gland. lk knew
lint what other 'neaps might be looked tn,by other
Gentlemen for restoring that good Opini'M, but he
thought that it never could be restored.oatil. by
attending to such motions as that of ha Walloons-
ble Friend, the [louse began to exercise iti rimiest
power of control, and to spew itself attentive to the
wants, distresses, and sufferings of the people, 'by
its determination to relieve them from that chief
canoe of their greatest suffering, oppres-ive taxa.
tion.—(Loud cheers.4-.llelieving, therefoie, that
such a motion as the present, if greed .t,t, was the
readiest means to lead to a return of the coolidence
of the, people. he hail the greatest satisfaction so
giving his rote for it • 'and feeling it his pesuniouot
duty so to do, he bad thus
.far trespassed us the
time and attention of the House to give his rea-ow•
fin that rote.—lehiess.)
Mr. PHILLIPS said, he would shortly state the
reason why, though lie should vote for the snot* •
of the Iloilosirable Member for Yorkshire, ha
could not do so on the grdunda of his recinumenda.
lion; which was, that he had grounded that re.
commendation on the supposed necessity of such a
reduction of taxation us could net be made with:'
out defesoding the public creditor, • proposition
to which he (Mr. Phillips) Could never us-en'.—.
(Hear.)—He was decidedly of opinion, that hewing
wisely returned to a metallic standard of value, tt
would be extremely ithpolitic, uud most iejud
mews to the comiumuty to depart from
(Heir, hear, hear.)—One particular circumstance
whirl/ had led to a general erroneous impression of
the,exteot to which' the change had operated upon
time polio of Coutracts amid other eugsgetuenia lit
money was, that in reasoning upon that subject
gentlemen bed almost universally referred to the
period at which the currency was at its lowest point
of depreciation, aud had argued irdia that riot—.

winjuit ii44lhd as it gentlemen argefitg
oil the other side hat taken the higliteet point of it.
elevation, and thervfilik drawn II errantry inference.
The Him. Memhet for Callingtou (me. Atwood)
had stated, that for e-teritury and a half before the
late war, the- ;rice of-corn remained steady at an
average of from 475. to 49v. and had asked how it
was that the farmer were riot contented with the
seine prtfes now which contented them et that pea
riod, the payments now bring made as they then
were, ill a metallic currency ? Ile would answer
that by referring to the increase in the cost of pro-
duction; the taxes, the poor Wei, the tither,
hourers wages, med. the price of every commodity
used by the )termer, had greatly increaved; and
until these were diminished, it was impossible that
the farmer vial./ bring b,, produce to market at the
plices 'which repaid the grower at the fortr;er period
alt a Utetallic, currency. pet et a ruinous loss. The
increase of taxation he conceived to have mainly
conitihhte& to the iocreesEof ell the other charges
*hie)) he had mentioried; and the orely way there.
fore to r diminhtio9 Of those charges. was the in-
most posoddeveditelion of taxation. To effect this,
every branch of the expenditure ought to he pared
down, every estebbahnient of the Government ought
to treserapulonsly revised. He hoped, therefore, the
Country gentlemen would not consent themselves
with having reduc'ed the two junior Lords of the
Admiralty, and one of the Postmasters-General,
but would enforce to the utmost passible extent
retrenchment in every one of the Government
eittablishmeuta, and economy in every branch of
the public expenditure.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir COFFIN said he did not rise to discuss the
subject which was now tinder cousideretion, for
he confessed he did not understand much about it ;
bet be wished to offer one Of we remarks on an rih-
servetion which had feller from the Honourable
and gallant MemlWr for Sisitthwirk (Sir it. Wilson).
The Honourable Member had nit) that every French
peasant fared better than an English labourer.
Now he (Sir I. Coffin) had been in many parts of
France, and he was satisfied that an English farmer
looked better and heartier, and est at least lour
times as much—(Laughter)—as any Freochman ;
and he declared to God, that in no country which
he had seen, bad as was our situation at present,
were either the uobiltty,gentrr, clergy. yeomanry,
or peasantry, helfao well off as they were here even
now,—fnene end larghter.l
Mr. k. Lioncitss repressed his surprise that the
Honourable Geutlemen who hail spoken last but
one should vote for this minion, white he depiecated
almost every one of the grounds on which it had
been proposed.
Mr. Cuawax said, unless relier.'ind great relief
were given to the country, deeply is helemented
it, he did see a periusi, and slot tar distant, when.
tether than the landed ustorest of the country should
be allowed to go whoilrto kin. the fended interest
inuif he called 14itrs proysibt p,gceiScr,—
(Cheers.)—He shpufdlpt. ,arty, Imsraver, to give a
vote to that of mini every egret hodeaten fried
to effect the rebel of the agriculture'. in& &W-
-ed.—(Heer. hear.)
Mr. Deets Baowes could not understood how
any men could vote for this motion, tinker leeorials;
ed the dividends not to be paid, and the errantry to
be revolutiussized.

Mr. llastasomr said it might, no doubt, be pos.
sible that a revolution, Or something very like it,
might be put off for i short time; but the only
mewl by which it could be done was, not by pay-
ing the tale., but by the reduction or taxetion,
(Hsu. hem.)—The reason for which he shritild sup-
port the amendinelot of the Hon. Member for' York
was, because he' did out think ell meastire would
be brought forward by his Wrajesity‘ri Moister* that
could advent* the Mimes of the country or re-
Ile ve it frookiht Norma disteees.— VI ear. herr.)
Mr. N. CALVARY, NE well as we could collect
from the conflisirio lit tlestillleo and the noise in
the House, suggested the propriety of the amend-
, meat being.withdiefti.
Mr. WTVILL or, fading that he should be do-
Ang wrong to with aws.motion which he had made
.on Abe minviotiosi ails being for the beurfit of the
countryi' whets wishing hold been urged ageism it
Which tended it on ttritiake that eativiction, he
plersteNewjq takipig the seine of the House
sworit. . :
• • Mt. Baoustakm.aniapatted.the amendment of his
Hon. Friend on the ground of the grand princi-
ple Which weak SO eits Or the.necemity of
reduction of taxation far die relief of tlfe c 4 uutry.
To what extent it might he poas.ible or proper to
carry that reduction, would be mutter for distinct
consideratioa afterwards. They would be able to
go into the Committee on the agricultural question
on the succeeding day, and the Ignaid• 'lowest
would gain by the delay in the great edvantage
which would Ulu' he secured to Them.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY stud, the ques-
tion, as it had been explained in the speech of the
Hon. Mover, was aimed ai the repeal of 40.000,0001.
of taxes, which would amount to a couliscation of
the property of the public creditors. In supporting
it, therefore, the Ilion. and Leaned Gentleman mina
be prepared to concur with a proposition of so
alarming a character, and to leave the country to
the dangerous delusion which would grow out ?f it.
Mr. TIERNEY said, that as the subject met his
view, it appeared' to him that the oniessdinent of
his Honourable Frieud was a motion which did no
inure than establish IS irgenesal principle the ne-
cessity of an immediate 'reduction or taxes for the
relief of the country. He could not therefore con-
sider the motion as at all !evolutionary in its cha-
racter or principle ; and as it was not chwituble to
question the motives of any gentleman, in common
charity he should refrain fr making that inquiry
into the motives of those who resisted the motiou on
those grounds, which they seemed disposed to
iu-
stitute into the 'flutists or those who supported it.
Thinking that whatever might be the merit of the
resolutions before the Committee, they did not go
to provide a remedy for the tomtit distress, he did
not see that inconvience from their postponement,
which would wise from the postponement of a
tuition which went to the immediate remedy of
that distress. He thought the only disad-
vantage of his Houourable Friend's motion arose
from his not having given a sufficient notice
of his intention to move it, which would have pro-
cured a fuller attendance in its support. He
was not premised to go to the extravagant extent of
40.000,000/. its his views of reduction ; but he we.
gonviisted•that the best and Wired the only relief