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HOUSE OF COMMONS, WKDIIZSDAT, Faint:Any 13.

Lord LOWTHER presented a Petition from the pens-
' piers of Land it. Kirkby Lottsdale, complatoisig of sgricul.
mural distress—Rs-6d, and laid on the
A number of Petitions, of a private nature, were preisentsd
sod termed to Committees.
General GASCUYNE brought in two Billy one for en-
duiring,ond building a new church, the other for establishing
a ash market in the boat. of Liverpool—which were seve-
rally read a first time.
Several new Members took the oaths, among whom we
observed Messrs. Fremantle and Peel.
AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS.
Sir E. KNATCHRULL pseaented • Petition Sala Ilse
Os urns and Occupiers of Land in its• Eastern Division of
the County of Keut, stating the distresses of agriculture,
ansrpraying relief. A 'similar Petition nas then presented
. by the same Member; from the Westin. Division of the
same Cuuuty.—Read, laid on the table, sod ordered to be
rimed.
Pstitions to the same effect were presented from Henley.
on-Themes ; from several Occupiers of land So the County
of Gloucester, by Sir W. GUISE ; and from place* in the
vicinity of Norwich—which sere read, and laid on the table.
Mr. CURTEIS, in presenting a similar Petition from the
several Owners and Occupies. of Land io the County of
Susses, took occasion to make a widely of observations on
the contents of it, and on the subject generally. The Yeti.
I butters had last year, sod on other occasions, applied fur re-
dress of their 'suffering. to the House, and were told in reply
that the only remedy for their case was tune and patience.
Bet lime sod patience had dune nothing but producing so
aegravatiou of their sufferings, and an e•acerbation of their
• feeling.. He 'lieu adverted to the principles of Mr. Hall,
, some of which he declared to be sounder and more British
than those of the Aviculturist Committee of last Session.
111 r. ELI.IS could out ell silent and hear methods meow,-
. mended for relieving the distress of sgricultore, which bad
bees condemned by the must cologbtened Members of the
HYMN, and at many oldie cossoty smetsugs which had been
held on the sohject. He had nu doubt hot that the Hon.
• Member (Mr. Cortex) lad espremsd the scolowseuts of his
ronstitunsts ; but hr had heard that opinsuus very different
indeed from his bad been advanced at • comely tweeting for
Some=—that it was not by endeavouring tontine the prices of
produce' agriculture was to be relieved, list by mammy,
practises, in the greatest pansible degree, sad by every pear
terrible relaxation of the Warders* Imposed *pea the cosatry.

He charselorlse4 the thonflals of Mr. Webby 11.11 es ret
series, twine of epinioe that prices could sever be raised to
what they were duel*, she war.
Mr. WODEHOUSE expressed his regret that the Ett•• I
Member should have professed himself a disciple of Mr. !
Webbe Hall, the rather because be feared that if How. Gen-
tlemen adhered to such doctrines, the gamine :night never
he takes up in that eeriest spirit by this House which he
hoped it was on the papist of being.
Mr. HUME thought that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Cur.
Leis, we noderstood) complained to the Howie with • very
bad trace. He hail said that the Petitioners had applied
for years to the Hams without Alibiing any thing but
words; bet be (Mr. Hume) celled upon him testate a single
instance is which be bad dose that by which only evlsef
could be eltl.sided, he challenged him so meson see is•
stance itt •hich he had supported lb* retreecksoeut plie-
pcs•ed. He employed, however, that be woe henceforth Is
place the Hon. Gitelman alarms the eerromenteal Reformers.
The Petite. was these brought op, read, laid es the table,
aid ordered to be fruited.
Alderman WOOL presented a Petltiew from an individual
in Ireland, praying abet espies of as informants, tried against
Wm In sleet coast ry, aodeertaie aurespoodeace us the subject
might be delivered so him by order of the House. It Os;
eumplaieed of metals issedships to whirls be was subjected in
the prosecution of the proceedings ageism him. The Worthy
Alderman added, has as the Hos. Gemkesee opposite were
at present gritted with so Oren • It of ecosuety, he should
not at present ONO INN the printing of it, but merely that it
be brought •p.
Mr. PEEL said, that be believed be was Secretory to the
Lord Lieutessat of !reined at the time of the transactions
adverted to Is the Petition, but be did not recollect them;
probably be had ewer baud of them before; bet he had .no
objection what're, eo the course proposed by the Homer.
able Alderman d hsiagias up the Petitiva, aid pestresing
the priatiog aril.
The Petition having bees the. beloved up and read.—
Mr. PEEL immediately rose and seed, that he sow mot.
Wird site ease a( the Pethieser, sad that the eireum.
'tutees of the ease were quite Notorious. He certainly had
inquired into it, sod he could further say, without say heti-
la time, the Peiltio• cootateed grass Neehoeds. It was thee
laid oil the table.

ORPHAN FUND, ke.
Sir W. CURTIS moved for certain papers on t►e dove
subject, whirls wens ordered.
Mr. HEATHCOTE snored for certain retinue relative to
the quantities of grabs viarehoosid during the lut
fea►r—
Ordered.
Mr. MARERLY awned for returns of the quantities of
heap, Sax, sad pun Imported into England iron furtive
soutstriee dories Suslont year.—Ordered.

Mere of the expenses alteadiag
the Teedea *AA
'Also, a tesslisamt/oa of a return of last year, ionise the
member of elliewis en half.pay In Great nfilSill aid Ireland
nu the iltb of January, 11122, together with the charge of the
same to the eoustry —Ordered.
Also, a matisestion of • return of last year, slating the
member of gentlemen appoioted to first comminions in regi.
mews of Cavalry and infanliy of the liue, and the asst.
bee of promotions from Euaigna and Cornets to Cubans, is.
elusively, from loth Jaaaary, 1811, to Silt January, 1861—
which, after an observation of General (incase, that did
mat reach us, was ordered.
Mr. HUM E that moved far • return of all public servants
is every departesest of in service who had become default-
ers since the year 1618, specif)ing the different &pertness.,
the assoust of deficieoeies, wheu ascertained, sad the sea.
suns taken to teener the saute—which, after a few words
from the same Hos. Member, was ordered.
Mr. HUME thew moved that an humble Address be pre-
sented to his Majesty, praying that his Majesty will be
pleased to glee directions that a return be made to the
House of the total establishment of the Mint fur the year
18111, stating the salaries, fees sad allowances, and house.
rest (irony) granted to each iudividual in theoremic.
HAWKERS, ke.

Al the request sf Me. LUSHINGTON, Mr. HUNK
Postponed his motion relative to Harkiirs, Pedigo% sod
H whitey Ceachem, till this day fortnight.
The Sixth Report respecting Public Charities .0 lain on
the table.
Mr. DAWSON breoght up returns free Hie Howe Oaks
respecting fetus. ender senteoce of transportatiois—Leid u.
the table.
OPENING OF LETTERS.
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Mr. 11045 stated, that he had never understood
the Post-office lied a power of stopping the com-
plaints of individuals mode to Members of Parlia-
ment; but he had recently received • letter from a
prisoner in the hulks, which bad been opened in its
way, being marked "opened" by the luspector.
Mr. Pact. believed that complaints made by
individuals to Members of Parliament, by leiter,
invariably reached them, though the letters were
sometimes operred as this had been under these cir-
cumstances:—There wee • regulation 'hive the
first establishment of the hulks, that persons con-
fined there had trot the power of writing to any one
without the Government beiag able to ascertain to
whom. This regulation bad been framed under the
authority of an Act of Parliament, and under that
had the leiter respecting which the address lied
been made by the Hon. Gentleman been opened.
If there was to be a regulation at all, he did
not see how it could be acted on without being
general. If a Member of Parliatuent were ex-
ceptede he might be accessary to committing ass
offence against the Act, because • letter might be
addressed to hitn,arid conisiu within it a sealed let.
ter fur another. He could sieure the House, that
in consequence of the regulation, the escape of
convicts had been repeatedly prevented. A cir-
cumstance of that nature had occurred so late ■s
April last, when, in consequence of • letter from a
convict being opened, it was found that the escape
of three convicts was planned, arid on examination
three bars had been removed for the purpose. He
could appeal to the very letter in question for proof
of his proposition; fur since the letter had been ad-
dressed to the iimesurable Member, the writer had
been detected its a fraud, and that detection lied
taken plate in consequence of the information
which it conveyed. lie believed the man's name
was Jones, and be only %petitioned the feet its or-
der to slew the beneficial ethet of the regu-
lations.

Mr. HUME said, that Sunday week be had
heard the conduct of the individual highly ap-
plauded, and therefore he wished to kiww when
this detect had taken place.
Mr. Past replied that he was not certain of the
time, but it was very probably since the day men-
tioned.

Mr. BENNETT said that what he principally com-
plained of in this case wise, the stoppage of letters
to Members of Parliament. Mr. Bennett then read
an rainier of a letter, dating (according to our un-
derstanding of it) 1114 there was no authority to
opera letter, addressed from persons confined in pit.
sons to Members of Pre litnneto. He and his Friend
(Mr. Humr, we Lelievr) had made it a poem to go
to the hulks. and had there meertaiued that the
complaint was f.l.e. But he had the of ) e )) ion of
the Noble Lord bate at the head of the Hume be.
pairtimout. that the Post Office was not bnrue out
by law in the practice now under consideration.
After a remark from Mr. PEEL, the tenor of
which we could •ot collect--
Alr. JAIME stated, that he bad ONCE addressed •

fetter to ti person in a gaol. ctinVicted or a mi-tiee
meaner, under a cover. to the gaoler, requesting
bun not to open the one enclosed ; but that lie had
written an answer to him, acynaiiiiing him that he
had opened it, conceiving it to be his doty.
Mr. BROUGHAM was compelled to toter his peo.
test, without any delay, against the doctrine that •
letter addressed to u Member of Parliament could be
oprued by any officer tinder Government whatever.
Were were their privileges If such acts as
were permitted, they had no existence. Hr had
no hesitation iu saying, the privilege of receiving
his letters unripened was as math a privilege of a
Member of Parliament as the freedom of bib person
from arrest.
Mr. DAWSON said a few word., not audible in
the gallery ; after which, the order for going into it
Committee of 'Supply, on the motion for which toe
conversation took its rise, was postponed.
Mr. JANE. gave erotiie that he would to-morrow
week submit a motiou on the subject of opening
letters.

SIR ROBERT WILSON'S DISMISSAL.
Sir Rosette WlLsou then rose to bring froward
the motion of which lie had given notice. If the
object of his motion were limited to matter of a
personal and private nature; if his own clairecter
in this case w. re alone concerned—deeply as lie
felt himself outraged and aggrievedeestill, under
various considerstioule he would haviebeensiisposied
to submit in 'deuce; but knowing. m he did, that
the question involved others of most serious im-
port to the public interest, that it touched sloe in•
arrests and the rights of the people of Englirud—
(Cheers)—he would have felt IJ I JJJ self highly cul-
pable—lie would have considered himself gitilty of
a gross dereliction of public duty, had he not
brought the case under taw consideration of Perlis-
ment.—(Clieers.)—Arduous us was the duty im-
posed on him—and truly did he feel it to be most
arduous and painful—still he cuufessed that this
was one of the happiest moments of his life ;
because the time was now arrived in which, io
the face of Parliament, of his country, and therefore
of Europe, Ise could redeem the pledge which he had
given, control,' his accusers, analyse the charges
made monist him. and thus secure and confirm that
generous and honourable interest which had been
raised for hint in the public nand.—(Hear, hear.)
He was sure he need Dot ask for the indulgence of
the House of Curumous—he was sure it would be
granted to a man in his circumstances with that
courtesy which characterised u British House of
Commons. At the time when he had given uotice
of a motion for these papers, he bad Naked the
Noble Lord (Lonitouderry) whether he would con-
sent to the production of them, and the answer of
the Noble Lord left him no alternative but to
bring the whole of the case before Parliament. He
did hope that the Noble Lord sod his colleagues
would ha►e pursued a different course, that they
would have abandoned their most ungenerous,
most cruel, mod most unjust silence—(Hear)—
that though they had hither►o shrunk from encoun-
tering itiquily, and from meowing the grounds of
the course which they had advised the Executive
to adopt, yet lie had thought that they would seize
the first opportunity offered by the assembling of
Parliameot, and afford him (Sir R. Wilson) an op-
portunity of grappling with some substantial
charge.—(Cheer►.)—He had besides hoped, that
though those of Ilia Majesty's Ministers who had
recommended the measures of which he complained,
would not he inclined to do him this justice, yet
that when certain gentlemen had joined the Admi-
nistration, who had professed to stet under the coun-
sel of a Noble Baron in the other Honse of Par-
liament (Lord Grenville, we presume), they would
have recollected and acted oii the language lately
held by that Noble Baron, when he expressed a
hope that he should never see the day when his
Majesty's Ministers would suppress evidence which
might be necessary for the redress or justilicatiois
of any individual.—(year, hear.)—Never had lie
expected that in England—that in this sanctuary
of justice—he should be compelled to come here to
solicit his accusers for the knowledge of the
fact imputed to him—of that fact fur which
be had been arraigned by niiineless accusers. and
condemned by a clandestine process. It was not
his intention at present to inquire into the constitu-
tional right of the Crown to dismiss officers at its
pleasure. He should not go into this part of the
question now. lest it might cause a division of opi-
nion on what he was most anxious to establish. But
at a future time he would she* that the exercise of
the prerogative in his case was a violation of the
Constitution, and in opposition to part of that mili-
tary law which was enacted annually. He would
reserve to himself the right of shewing on &mother
occasion that the right contended for was isicomp,-
tilde with the honour and the interests of the army,
stud irreconcilable with the safety and liberty of the
country—that it disqualified officers from sitting in
Parliament, and this excluded from the. army men
who were so necessary to its proper frame, as Mem-
bers id Ilsiliaitient--that it disqualified them from
sitting as Members of Courts Martial—bat, above
all. that it disqualified them from cheetterg‘ng
those paramount duties which they owed to their
country—(Heat)—that it was adverse to every
good purpose, sod favourable to every bad one—that
the prerogative was never used arbitrarily without
prejudice to the individual and injury to the public.
The question' he was now mooting, which he
now proposed, could not he considered as trench-
ing in any way on the prerogative of the Crown;
because he believed (at least lie trusted that
his confidence was not misplaced) that there
was no man in this House who would maintain that
this prerogative or any other could be exercised by
the Crown, but through the advice of responsible
agetits.—(Hear, hear.)—.He knew the time had
been when the maxim had been held that a .Deo
lies, a rage lea. He knew that there were once
judges on the bench who had pronounced it to be
the law of Eugland, that penal laws were not made
to restrain the power of the King, but rather tn.
larged it—that a power to punish belonged to the
C►owu, because it had the right to paisluie Ile
knew that there was a king who had said, that as
it was blasphemy to question or dispute the decrees
of Providence, so was it blasphemy to dispute the
commands of a king. But the Revolution of 16811
had taught ministere, judges, and kings, that
kings had no power of doing wrong ; that if they
hod such a power, it would, by using. break in
their bauds; that wrong could only be done by the

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unlike.' or
.wirtged enamellers MIA mininers,
that they were resownsible for it, and might
eshed. Bust belle? proceeding to the Yi
fl
re
which he would niobii.h,
esteemed the prerogative toward, him to the ,11
tailored of public right, he Iserrged the llon•
to consider who the inalimileal Owe treat
them. earl el. at metsssev of grace lie 'aught w
their hands. First of ell, he ores an officer of tesnit
nun? years 'tending id the setlece, steo. thistle, C,
should adduce no proof of hi. ewe services, ,h.
the testimony of the Cominander.iii•Chief tl nt ;,,
saes worths of that Imewitrable station to soh sit;
had aspired. Also, he was s Member of Father',
who had felt it his duty most ca schist
to rippooe the present klinister4, bet-soar lot k,;
breed that their principles mod plaierdings ha,
been contrary to the honour, the welfare, atil tef
liberty of the nation ; because he es neeieed thei
110,11(7 opposed to the prowess, of liberal otoiniott
and to the freedom not only of their own (*Haw
hut of moilskiud, they lied nn other spy, peth.,l,4
to render that officer powerless. Did there net ells.
pour some mot hid resentment. some rnalig.;sit.,
powerful feeling in their motels?—(Hear, beie.i—
rti?shtiosyroe°ell'irwilehyhhisadd dproftateitrhtyl3l7elelmviCio6utfitsdratiusidL
and mere was a greet misconception on this pain,
T:ie Honourable Member here read au extract se,
circular letter from the Cuitimander-insChiel in tin
year 1814, importing that such Generale at wet.
Colonels of regiments, should have the option
retiring, by disposing of their commissions for thi
price 'Assisi to unattached commissions. T;,„
why, he would ask. had his Majesty's Milliner. in-
flicted on this officer the punishment of degrade
Lion ? He would contend that it was a punishment
and • most severe one—it was placed iu the Mu.
tiny Act next to death. Was it iu tile hop,
that, milder the influence of pecuniary emboli
rastinents, he would resign his scut in Pirliauseia
and, perhaps, take refuge in • foreign country:
Herr was r view of the case not quite so important.
to which he yet requested the attention of
House. It was well known, it was quite notorious
that it had pleased Providence to •ffilict more than
one member of his family with the most dreadfu,
calamities. It was known that these had on former
occasions excited the most benevolent feeling. is
the mind of the King. But when people sew that
the Ministers prevailed on the King to make war or
all the domestic comforts of en individual, there
was but one opiuion, that it was some helm,
crime he had committed, compared with whiet
his punishment •was a measure of lenity. Nos
he should state that which he knew to be fart
that officers of rauk, not enemies to him, merest
blindly attached to his Majesty's Ministers, as to
eased that they were confident his removal week
not have taken place without some misconduct w
gross, that, if a trial had taken place, a worse cala-
mity would have befallen him, and the Journals
under the iufluence of Goverimient constantly held
the same language—there was not s day *tweets
he was not exposed to a label in some of them, be-
t:stun., said they, there is the fact that so officer ce
his rank has been dismissed from the series With.
out inquiry, and therefore the iuference was fair
and reasonable, that he must have been demi«.
ed because he hoe drgroded himself, and mestere:
himself unworthy of the rank which he beet.
44 Will," continued Sir Robert Wittier, " his Mll-
jesty's Ministers persevere in this course to tut?—
will they act so to me ohs tailed ia mi way
battles lee the good of my country ?—will they
refuse that justice to me which is due to ilk
meanest artisan in the empire ? If they wig, I
call upon this I 4 sore, as Griotteinen—as Member.
of Pediment—as Eaglislouseref—to deal by Neu.
they would for themselves, lot their sons, fit
their relatives or friends." If he had hada trill.
he would !mire hod an honourable *cgs sue ;
if he were guilty, the army had a right to kuow ha
offence.—(Hear.)— They had a right to know the
nature and charucter of it—that might operate as a
lesson of warnoug.. Whet was the benefit of uli
punishment I—example. But what benefit was
there in a punishment which studiously concealed
the offence? Thus was no justice at fill :it was be
more justice than Ofe dark mysterious prueerdingf
of the Inquisition. Even the Turk, when he took rill
the head of a slave, condescended to affix a label in
his breast descriptive of his offence; and was lie to he .
deprived of a similar privilege ? If so, lie could only
look 011 it usa precursor of a [flattery government,
i For f the Hou-e would agree that thus uresponsibie
power of punishment should be enuexed to the
power of pardon, it would enable the Sovereign to
trust lute all the glorious rights of the Constitution,
sod the mighty exerriuus of our ancestors. lie bar'
done every thing possible to keep this iu au office
donned, till he had been refused access to the
Throue ; he had enut reined from the Home Office
till he knew • that perjury would be protected by
the rules of offiee. He knew that he was slow
about to take a step which was an innovation on
the rules of equity, and to his overt prejudice.
Hr was now about to grapple not with charges,
but with rumesis mat reports, but so tau it
regarded hie own calcium, he should state the
truth, the whole trutle and meheig but the troib
lie was shout to go into very circuinstau
details, of the cortectuess of which many of
friends and other Memberil in the House wept's."'
disabled to judge, and he called upon these cif tie
farmer who were preseut to teemed him if he
omitted any thing lions want of recollection,
spurt any other Hsu. Member hi rise aftsraird.
and contradict bine if be made any stiststentrut.
because, upon hot honour, there was not a sing.
eircurnstauce id which he VMS CODeefittd
which hr did not wish the Hosea to pow,
the most ample details. Hie .11tiojeasy's Mi-
niver* would not deny that his dimnessl malt
place ill consequence of some imputed set se
the 14t1► of August, whets the remains of her tat,
Majesty were conveyed out of the metropolis. lir
should, therefore, state every thauga as far us he we'
conceived, connected with that transaction :—lle
was at the house of Count Orlutr,
in Paris, when he
was inlurmrel by the British Ambassador,
Charles Stuart, that a telegraphic dispatch hid
arrived with au account of the sheath of late late Mo-
jesty, and he ineuediately left the house. He rant
this, because it had toren said that he had heard h
the fact at a dinner in company with 30 Freed'
slicers, and that he had shocked theta all by
the exclamation which had escaped from him
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render that officer powerless. Did there ono ai,. won
mr some mothid reveittment. some Hot
owerfal feeling io their moods ?—(Heer, BCC(
otherwise had good frith been violated ,„ ,„ firm
stature?—why had his property been colifiecsied WO
id neer wet a gem' misconception on Ono pomp inte
:le Honourable Member here read an extract oh, cane
rcular letter from the Cummander-iteChiel 'nth, but
gar 1814, iinposting that such Generals so ism be •
Woods of regiments, should have the option s sot
tiring, by disposing of their commissions fur On wain
ice of aced to unattached commissions. Turf cuto
te, he would ask. had his Majesty's Miuiaters iu- with
cued on this officer the punishment of degrade. were
Beto a
? He would contend that it wan a punishment
Broil
dl • most severe one—it was placed iu the Mu.
ed h
sy An next to death. Ws. it its the hope
!eyes
at, under the influence of pecuniary emlisir•
.amens. he would resign hit mut in Psrlisiorst cute
Id, perhaps, take refuge in • foreign country: in a
err was a view of the case not quite wimixortant. lout
which he yet requested the Aseptic's' of 11,, day,
that
ouse. It was well known, it was quite notoriout
—hit
at it had pleased Providence to •ffiict more than
note
e member of his faintly with the omit dresdfu,
state
Immune". It was known that these had on forme
Imam
canons excited the most benevolent feeling. is
(Mr.
e mind of the King. But when people saw that
Lush
e hlinisters prevailed on the King to mike war or tram
the domestic comforts of on individual, there
sump
is but one opiuion, that it was some helmet
them
line he had committed, compared with whic
next
punishment •was • measure of loony. Nos
next
should state tint which he knew to be fact come
at officers of rauk, not enemies to him, wriest • toll,
indly attached to his Majesty's Ministers, us to
Roue
wit that they were confident his removal attic hour
it have taken place without some misconduct w
persist
toss, that, if a trial had taken place, a worse
ever
ity would have befallen bins, and the Journals fie line
oder the iufluence of Government constantly held but tl
c same language—there ass not s day abrreis were
was not exposed to a libel in some of them, be-
venter
;use, said they, there is the fact that so officer o• the pe
s rank has been dismissed from the serene wide He tb
it inquiry, and therefore the iuference gem fain
egoism
id reasonable, that he must have been doomim oaten
I because he has degraded himself, and modern: the aid
rwself unworthy of the rank which he held. it wee
Will," continued Sir Robert Witter'', " his Ms-
behinc
sty's Ministers persevere in this course to tut ?
Causer
Al they oct so to me who toiled io so sway
oils 1
!tiles for the good of my country they gentle
fuse that justice to me which is due to thr, borne,
esnest artier,' in the empire ? If they I
were
II upon this Haus., as Goodell-len—as Members lie to
Pediment—as Eaglistionerw—to deal by swear that t
ey would for theintelsos, for their song, fa the M
err relatives or friends." If he had hada trial.
forwari
t would have had on honourable *cgs pal ; they
he were guilty, the artily had a right to krone ha aqing
Pence.—(Hear.)— They had a right to koow the
went
it or e and chstucter of it—that might operate as a and ti
sson of warning.. Whet was the benefit of uli into
anishinent ?-example. But what benefit was whose
leer in a punishment which studiously concealed lie did
le offence? Thus was no justice at ill :it less be was Li
ore justice than the dank mysterious proceeding, cer al
the Inquisition. liven she Turk, whets he took if, City t
le head of a slave, condescended to affix a label to he was
s breast descriptive of his offence; end was he to he . roue, •
!wired of a similar privilege ? If so, lie could only officer
ukoil it us a precursor of ■ military gorerniorni, wrong
or if the Honer would agree that this orresponsible waggon
twee of punishment should be anuexed to the Woo, ft
user of pardon, it would enable the Sovereign to ow tin
um lute all the glorious rights of the Constitution, oar. h
id the mighty exerfious of our ancestors. lle hot reeved
me every thing possible to keep this iu au officio; roper
mood, till he had been 'aimed access to the mem
Inoue; he had hut reined front the Home Office on, w
I he knew • that perjury would be protected by e the!
e rules of cake. He knew that he wets slow Woo,
mut to take a step which was an innovation or. here t
e rules of equity, and to his owe' prejudice. a seri
e was now about to grapple not with charge, !reshot
at with rumonos and reports, but so tar st ranee
guided his own coudnet be should state th, ched
uth, the whole truth. and nothing but the Mob ek re
e was about to go into very COVUIVIptaII t it
tails, of the correctors" of which many col I-, n
iends and other Melliberi in the House wipe •4o ker's
tabled to judge, and he called upon those of tit' ri.
toner who were preseut to revolted him if he elite
nitted say thing bout want of recollection, t, arse
Nun tiny other Hsu. Member to rive afterward; ark-co
id contradict biro if be made any stiststerneui. ceivec
mouse, upon Ins honour, there was not s sing tk isi
rcuinstuuce in which be was concerned r Rob
hick hr did not wish the Have to wore out be
re molt ample details. His •Mojesty's Ho oved
sleet would not deny that hie dismissal took i Hon.
lace its consequence of some imputed act 01' id also
ie 14th of August, when the remain of her Ws um
hies'', carte conveyed out of the metropolis. lb reed
mild, therefore, state every thing, as far us he oat he tic
mcerned, connected with that transaction :—lle ems o
as at the horse of Count Orloff, in Paris, when be be see,
as WM tiled by the British A mbussad "'
ur, ••d
•' mom
harks Shoot, that a telegraphic dispatch lid he Is
✓ived with au account of the death of her lute Mo- nail,
sty, and be inisurdiutely left the house. He Salt. If of tl
pis, because it had been mid that he had heard el
le fact at dinner in company with 30 Frei d thee"
lice,,, and that he had shocked them all by
He
le exclamation which had escaped from loom toy a
'poll that hr arranged with me of the Alem4lll tit Imo
• •

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'or Coventry (Mr:Ellice), who Was then at
Paris, to return together ; it was then Thursday,
,rid they left it 011 Saturday morning. At that
:Inn they knew nothing but the fact of the decease
31 the Queen. At Boulogne they met a French
-outlet% end there, fur the first lime, learned that
tier late Majesty had directed her remains to be
,eut to Brunswick. Sunday, the 14th, he, for the
first time, learned !het the funeral was to take
lace the Is' hof August. He ,immediately wrote
:o Dr. Lushington tbat he would attend the funeral,
,ad that he placed himself at the disposition of
the Conductors of it. At the same lime he wrote
letter to his son, who was Equerry to her Ma-
•esty, to ascerain Where the executors woold be
he evening of the next don and to learn the ar-
ea fixed on. On the evening of the 13th
?Alm
lie arrived, and oo getting out of the carriage was
Armed that he would find the executors at Bran-
lenbargh House. He crossed to Alderman Wood's
house; the Honourable Alderman said that he
would take him in his carnage to Brandeirborgh
House, and the Honourable Member for Coventry
accompanied them, and he begged of him to cost-
firm this fact. In conversation with Alderman
Wood, he told him that it was his (Sir R. Wilson's)
intention to anew, the funeral in one of the mourning
coaches which would be provided by the executors,
but was told that be (Alderman Wood) would not
be allowed logo; on which he said, that he would
not expose himself to the insult of • refusal. They
waited till past five o'clock, and Done of the exe-
:utors came. He held no communication there
with any person but her Majesty's servants, who
were busily engaged iu preparing for the funeral.
He attended oo meeting at Hammersmith elastics-
tisely.—(Rear.)—The Hon. Member then descnb-
ed his return to the Queen's house in South Auct.
In..street—his having found there two of the exe-
cutors (Dr. Lushington and Mr. Wilde) engaged
in a correspondence with Lord Liverpool, their
doubts whether the funeral would take place next
day, and refining him for intelligence on the subject
that night to Mr. Hume, at the Freemasons' Tavern
—his going
_there and staying but about five mi-
nutes, as Mr. Hume had not come. He then
stated, that he repaired to Brookes's, where he
found the Honourable Member for %Vinehelsea
(Mr. Brougham), who informed him that Dr.
Lushington end Mr. Wilde were coming there to
frame another letter to Lord Liverpool, and that it
was past eleven o'clock when he left them, ignorant
themselves whether the funeral would take-place
next day. He went to Alderman
.Wood's house
next morning, and mounted a little, fat, hand-
some chesitut horse belonging to him, and not
a tall, dark. thin horse, and rode to Brandenburgh
Howse. He overtook the Alderman, and the
hoer was so early that they did not meet twenty
persons on the road. and had no intimation what.
ever of the likelihood of • disturbance. Again,
he had no communication whatever with any person
but the Queen's family. It was impossible; far there
ware police officers stationed at the place who pre-
vented from entering, with a good deal of violence.
the persons who imagined they had • right to enter.
He then detailed the circumstances of the protest
sgaiust the removal of her Majesty's persoo ; the
statement to Sir G. Nayler of his wish to ride by
the aide of the mew, ; the reply of the latter that
it was not decorous, and his then posting himself
behind the List mourning coach. A shower of rain
cause on, sod • halt of above half an hour billow.
ed. The people came hack, and told him sad the
gentlemen about him that the people had placed
barriers across the road, and that the soldiers
were committing great havoc among the people.
He told three who mid so to hold their tongue,
that they were doing mischief. He then situ to
the Member for Aberdeen, that they could ride
forward, and see what was doing; upon which
they did so, preventing others from accompa
ruing them who were desirous of it. They then
weut on together to the head of the procession,
and took a station near the blues, where he fell
into 'conversation with the Commanding Officer,
whose face was familiar to hum. but whose name
lie did not then know, but had since learnt that it
was Lieut.-Colonel Bouverie. He asked that offi-
cer whether the procession would puss through the
City to which he replied, that he did not know;
he was only there as commanding the guard of ho-
roar, and must be guided by his instruction'. The
aim added, that the people were doing very
won in taking sway the home from • baggage
waggon that was in hunt, which had hewn sent for-
Ward for the use of the soldiers from Windsor. He
we that it was wrong, suit, acesinpauied by the
Hon. Member (Mr. Ilume), he went up and ad-
dtewed the people, representing to them the im-
propriety of what they were doing; eheteupoo they
consented to allow the horses to be put to the wag-
yon, which was immediately allowed to pass on.
lie then returned to his former station nt the pro- ,
cession, which then advanced until he came to a place
where there was • dead wall; and there some per-
ton seeing him quite wet, asked him to take some
lefreshinent, which lie declined. The ;alteration
KArmiceri towards Piccadilly, and when it had
reached Hyde Park-corner, • gentleman tau horse-
tack rode op to them, and mud It wits agreed
that it should go through the City. 'fist per-
son assured them he hail received Sir Robert
Baker's authority to make that communice.
two. To their surprise, after the ninursting
,clies Ir '

him at the time, the bon. Member IV,. fume), he
believed, advised him riot to go forward, but he
answered, that as he might be of soma assistimee in
restoring peace, he thought himself bound in duty
to go and use his endeavours for that purpose.
When be reached the gee the leaders of the nest
mourning crotch stood in the gateway, so that he
was obliged to get some of the by-strudel's to raise
up the bars, that he might pass through. On
getting through the gate he saw the hearse sur-
rounded by the blue., end he saw the life guards
broken and in confusion, presenting suds an ap-
pearance as he had never seen except on occirs.ons
when cavalry had been repulsed or received some
check. Whatever might hare been the original
provocation, the people were then so far peaceable
that there was no longer any necessity for firing, and
its continuation could have no tendency to preserve,
but on the contrary to prolong the breach of the peace.
He rode up and *eked whether they had received
soy orders to lire, and who had given them ; the
men said no one had given them any orders, but
they had been ill-treated—(Hear, hear, hear, and
load murmurs from the Opposition Benches.)--He
thee entreated theta for God's sake to desist. He
rode up to another party at a 'little -distance from
the former, who also said they had received no
orders to Bre, but that they had been pelted with
stones, and nobody could endure it—(Hear, hear,
hear;)-.he then esti to them " All that is now over,
for Gnd's sake keep quiet." A wrote, whom he
at she--time took for a Marshal's man, theta said
they were only firing blank cartridge iu order to
frighten the people. Presently afterwards a shot
was fired froin behind him, which parsed so near
to him that he thought it had cut his face, and IMF'
up his hand to feel whether it had bled. 011 100!
ing round he saw some of the soldiers deliberately
reloading their pistols, and in order to revive in
them • proper feeling, he addressed them, telling •
them it was quite disgraceful to continue tieing ia
that manner; he reminded them that the people were
unarmed; he urged them to remember that they
were soldiers of Waterloo, and conjured them not
to disgrace their gallant conduct on that memo-
rable occasion, to remember they had there stood
the firing of cannon shot, and not now to be afraid
of a few atones.—(Cheers.)—He then went up to a
person, who he was informed was a Magistrate, awl
remonstrated with him rather warmly fur not being
in his place to prevent what had occurred, to which
that person made answer, that wherever there bad been
any impedimenta, there he had been for the purpose
of removing them, and that was the proper place fur •
him as a Magistrate. A further remark was made,
by the Magistrate. which fully justified the view•
which he (Sir It. W.) had taken of the who's pro-
ceedings.—(Cries of "Name name !")—He Isad no
wish to assume the character of an accuses. At
that moment he sew an officer whom he did not
know, but whom he believed to be the commanding
officer, to whom he represented what he had ob-
. served, and the impropriety of the firing. The
officer said he had given the tarn no orders to fire.
He then proceeded with him towards the Magistrate,
whom he presented to the Commanding Officer.
and advised the latter to appoint a dragoon is at-
tend Item for the purpose of conveying his instruc-
tions. He said he would remain by him. He
wished to add. that when ird spoke to the soldiers
they received his rebuke with a very good spirit,
*tying. " Let us put up our pistols, and form."
The people continuing to exhibit signs of anger
and irritation, he again spoke to the Commend-
ing Officer, telling him, that. as long as he
remained there with his party after what had taken
place, it was quite impossible that the tumult
should cease, send recommending him to with.
draw his men. Orders were given by the Officer for
that purpose, and a movement, by which he in-
tended to pass by the rear of the hearse through
the people into the Park, brought his men upon •.
heap of loose stones. In order to prevent any un-
pleasant con•equences which he feared that move-
ment might give rise to, lie recommended the officer
to advance his troops along the road, and take the
first turning, which would carry hint quite clear of
any part of the crowd. He raid he would adopt
that recommendatiou. When the troops were mov-

ing he saw a solder struck with • stone, who dis-
played exceeding good temper ; that was the only
soldier whom he law struck, and the throwing of
stones within his observation was very partial in-
deed. A short tune afterwards he sew an officer
of the same regiment as the former arrive with a
party of six tarn, end give some orders to the
officer commanding the blues. After he had given
the ordeiv, the people were beginning to gather
round, and he (Sir Robert ill'ilson) said to the
officer, " Perhaps you are not aware of what has
passed; there has been some did urbance, and a firing
has taken place from it party of your regiment On
the people, which hes much ineensed them, and
to prevent any farther breach of the peace, you had
better retirees the other parry hiss done." He said
that he h■d nothing ro do there, having delivered
his orders, and he would therefore go away. The
harness of the hearse, which had got entangled,
basing been put to rights, the procession moved
forward. At that time he saw Sir Robert Baker,
with whom he communicated on what had passed,
°barrig to him that it was fortunate the blues
were rio popular, as there would now be no more
interruption. He then fell bark into the place
he had before occupied in the procession, and
never again advanced our quitted his station
until they arrived at Mimi, where he took dinner
in company with an Honourable Member near him.
He was particular in mentioning that circumstance,
because some person, so whom he would not apply
the term of gentleman, for hi• conduct hail proved
him wholly undeserving of the appellation, had
made a communication that he had dined with him
at • psi stealer place, mud alter dinner had given a
vulgir and treasonable toast.—(Hear, hear, hear.).—
He knew not whether it wee intended to blame
him for any thing that hail hccurred on the road
from Ilford to Harwich, in all which he had
taken so part further than as a private mourner,
following in the train, and attending the re-
monl of the body from the hearse into the
church, and buck from the church into the
he•►se whenever that operation took place. Upon
his return to town. reports of every kind were
afloat, ahrl • friend said 10 Lim, " Sou are to
lie hanged, drawn, and ((auricled, hereto.... as it is
said, you are the person who placed the obstructions
in the way of the procession of the Quern'• fune-
ral." This was generally reported about wen, aud

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woo mentioned to bins by Ebony

peroont.
ritzy of reports were flyng shoot, such as that he
*in to be publicly censured. that he writ to he
turned out of the army, slid other things of the
same description. Feeling somettong of au obit.
Kenton on his part to present his conduct from
bring left. for want of explanation, liable to coo.
tinned misrepresentations, he had some intention or
submitting a statement of the circumstances with
which he was connected to his constituents; but
upon consulting with his Honourable Colleague on
that subject, he was advised that in his opinion
it would not be advi.able to make such a statetnent,
which, es there were two Coroners' Junes sitting on
so inquiry into the causes of the death of the two
unfortunate individuals who had been killed, would
have the air of voluoteering his testimony is the
cave, and give him an appearance of destroug to
become a party in the-affair. Being desirous to
return to Paris. but soziou• not to withdraw him-
self while any doubt should seed to hang over his
conduct, or while a disposition might remain to
reader it the subject of inquiry, he went out the
27th August to the Office of the Commander-in-
' Chief, where he hid sn interview with Sir Herbert
Taylor, to whom he communicated his wish to
leave town fur Paris, the motile of the rumours
-that were in circulation, nod iii. apprehension that it- I
Mai& be in contemplation to make his conduct s
subject of inquiry. and stifled, that if he reeeivetl:
no counnunicatiou from him on the subject wiling

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a given time, he should take it granted that no
intention of that kind existed. The Honourable
Member here read a copy of this minute made by
Sir H. Taylor of whet passed at that interview.
Not receiving any cominoitication from Sir H.
Taylor from the 270, August to the Sth Septem.
ber, lie went to Paris. Oo the 19th of Septem.
ber he received a note from Sir Charles Stuart,
his Majesty's Ambassador at Paris, requesting he
would call on him, as he had a communication
to deliver from his Majesty's Ministers. hi con.
sequence of the receipt of that note, he waited
on Sir C. Stuart the nest morunig; but before he
eve him, he west tato a public coffer-room, where. in
• French paper, lie saw an extract from the English
Cornier, announcing his diamissel from the army in
precisely the same terms its those of the official
letter in which it was tioitfieil to him. Sir Charles
Stuart, on his introduction, delivered to him • sealed
letter from his Royal Highness the Commander-in-
Chief, of the content, of which he assured him
that he was wholly ignorant. The letter ran thus :
" Sir, I have it in command from his Majesty to
idiom you, that his Majesty hes no further twee-
mon for your services." Thus in two lines and a
half did he find himself degraded from his rank
in the army. plundered of the capital invested
in the purchase of his commission,. his profes-
sional expectations annihilated, and a stain and
stigma affixed to his character. Upon the let-
ter of his Royal Highness he should tort make •
single remark, as Itecousidered it only as an official
"tommunicrtion, which the regular forms of the ser-
vice required should he made through him, and he
should ever feel grateful for very many acts sIC
kindness which he had received from his Royal
Highness. After receiving that letter, he wrote NI
his Royal Highness. alluding to the interview he
had had with Sir H, Taylor, mod requesting that
his conduct might be sulartitted to a court-mar-
tial. On the 44th September he found it necessary
write • letter to M-jor Oakes, in consequence of
a statement which appeared in the newspapers, pur-
porting to give an account of what lied parted be-
tween them on the day of the funeral, which was
Much at variance with the truth, calling on him to
contradict that statement. On the 2Sth Sept. he re.
ceived a letter from hie Royal Highness the Com.
mender in Chief in answer to his, stating, that " His
Majesty did not judge it proper to comply with the
request contained in it." He arrived in England on
the 7ih October, and being still desirous, if possible,
of obtaining justice from his Royal Highness, or
the military /authorities of the country, he thought it
hie duty to make another communication to his
Royal, Highness. He made it on the Bth of Octo-
ber, referring to his former letter, solemnly deny-
ing the truth of all the reports which had been cir-
culated. stating that he had taken every possible
measure within his reach to procure a refutation of
them, and that he was reedy for that purpose to
submit himself to the jurisdiction of • military tri-
huntil. He did that because lie knew it to be legal,
;aid that there were precedents for such a proceed-
ing.—(llear, hear.)—He would mention one, which
was that of Lord George Sat:krill', who had been
dismissed, but consented afterwards and was tried
by a coon-inertial, the opinion of the Judges hav-
ing been given in favour of the legality of such
trial. There were also many other cores of a simi-
lar nature. In answer to that last communication,
he received another letter from his Royal Highness,
iii the following terms :—" Havitio laid your termer
communication helore his Majesty, cud communi-
cated to you his Majesty'. tenon:lents on it, I donut
feel warranted ill takiligauy farther steps in the affair."
Thos lie foetid it had been determined that he
should he finally dianiapeed from the service, end that
the first sentence was without appeal. He did not,
however, yet despair of obtaining justice ; and he
made application to Lord Sidmooth, then one of
hie Majesty'. Priocipel Secretaries of State, stating
that be had been given to understand that an
iu-
formation on oath had been given that he had at-
tended a secret meeting at Hammersmith the day
before the funeral, at which the plan of obstructing
it was concerted, and requesting to be furnished
with a copy of the said Information, that lie might
be enabled toprosecute the party for perjury. The
answer which the Noble Lord made was, that he
did not conceive that he was the proper channel
for such a curninunicatioti. In consequence of
that answer lie mode application on the subject
to Sir R. Biruie;•and was informed by him th.t
at the first ineethig of the Magistrates that infor-
mation was et mice proved to be unfounded.—
(Loud cheers:)-Ati the course of his inquiries,
however' lie learned that an ioformation had been
sworn, owing that be was seen at Kensington on
the trey of the Num!. with a pot of porter in his
hand, encouraging the people to continue their
iniprdimesits in the way of the funeral. He ap-
plied for a.copy of that information, and was an-
seered tnat his request could not be complied
with. It might be the rule of office not to disclose
the name of is person tusking a private and confiden-
iial
communication, it might be the practice to
protect au informer by withholding his name; but

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whet &lull be iinagineil more grievous a 1 more relative to his dioreine ton et, military ‘,l
Jiro than that open I Idiot m atioo.s thus given, on inch- . Ben iee, he laid before the Home."
venial should he summarily and severely punished. I Mr. LAISRTON seconded the motion.
se
mid in spite of eve.y attempt to obtain an open in. Lord PALMERSTON raid. the flonourame e'en.
soesiigetion of hi. coliduct, in spite of his challenge Heinen had stated that it was not his intention to
of inquiry, end hi. power to prove the falsehood confine this question to the ammo basis of the
and perjury of the informer. should be cut off from personal injury which he had sunained, hat to
all mem, of justification, and the power to repair consider it in reference to the army in spewed unit
the outage dime to his cluiracter ?He now reverted I the conntry et large. Now he (Lord P.) wns pre-
to Ins letter to Major °Aker, to which he called that ; pared to resist it on the principle it the mope...
officer's ottentioli to three principal pointe:—lst, his ) tionen prerogative of the Crown. by which it pie.-
denial that he had given any orders to fires 4d. his • seseed the power summarily to dismiss Cow lIN obi.
kind receptiod of the- civil Magistrate introduced to 'dory service any officer holding its cointni.•
him by Sir R. Wilson; end 3J, that Sir R. Willem Eon, without reference to the eircuinstence
had suggested to Miller Oakes the movement which of his having purchased hi. commission or not.—
he subsequently erlopted for withdrawing his men The existence of such • power. its practice. it. et-
from the vicinity of the-enraged people. MajorOakes, ercise, slid its formal recognition, he could move Ipv
in his reply, said lie could not consentlto make him- reference to a variety of lest:awes. (Intern not 'few,'
self the organ of the contradiction of the various re- late years, nor fiom doubt'ul periods, but Iron
ports in circulation as to what had passed between whet Honourable Members opposite would diem-
them on the day of the Queen's funeral, because, selves acknowledge to be among the Iwo (Wars Of
were he to do so to one instance, he shoald thereby our history. He would refer to the proceedings of
become involved in the necessity of doing the same Parliament in 1734—(Cheers)—when a measure was •
by every successive rumour. He bad no hesitation, proposed to overtorn this prerogative, which was iee
however, tit *eying, that the statement to which Sir that occasion admitted by the best authorities en
Robert WlllOOO had alluded, did out originote with both sides to be the undi.puted right of the Colon.
him. He distinetly remembered that Sir Robert No legislative enactment had ever restricted or etre-
Wilson asked him on that occasion if he had given belied it, or its any way interfered with it. But not
orders to fire, and that he answered he hod not, only did this prerogative exist, but it had beets
That lie did retire by a Monk movement, he better- vested in the Ciowu for the benefit of the remise.
ed, duwu King-street, which, though pointed out nity, and was absolutely essential to the asetutein-
to hiss by Sir R. W. would have occurred to him- once of its interests sod the preservation of its
self, as being certainly the moot eligible for drawing liberties. Without that prerogative it would be
off from the vicinity of the mob. He did not. how- impossible to preserve the discipline of the army,-
ever, remember the circumstances( the introduction (Loud cheers from the Opposition, re-echoed (min
of the Magistrate. The Howe (Sir R. Wilson said) the Ministerial Benches.)—lt would be impossible
would bear in mind the three points in hie letter to preserve due regularity, either in reference to its
to which he had called its attention, and would also Interpol organization, or to the intercourse hetweeie
observe, that Major Oakes admitted he had given it and the people. Let the army but once be
no orders to fire ; that he retired by the lank made independent of the Crown, sod it would not
movement suggested by him (Sir R. Wilson), which be long before it made itself independent of Par-
was the most advantageous for the military. He liament.—(Cheers from the Ministerial Bombes )
regretted that be had not borne him out on the —The consequences, the disastrous effects of the
third point; but it was very possible that from the dissolution by Parliement,of the tie between the
confusion and hurry of the moment when it oc- army and the Crown, were recorded in characters
corm!, and from there being nothing in the cite of blood in a former period of the history of the
cumatanee itself. as far as Major Oakes was con- country.—(Cheers from the Treasury Benehes,)—
cerned, which tended to fix it in his memory, that To divest the Crown of this prerogative. would re-
it had wholly escaped him; but he (Sir Robert genitally endanger the Constitution. He admitted.
Wilson) had an interest to recollecting ti ; he however, that it was to be exercised on the reepou-
had been warned by his Honourable Friend sibility of the accredited advisers of his Majesty.—
of the possible consequences to himself of interfer- (Loud cheers from the Opposition.)-.But the
ing. He had thought it necessary towards his cum- strongest grounds free presumption of an abuse c 0(
Y the power most at all times be necessary to induce
plate 'abdication, to get the opinion and testainon
the Howse to interfere with the exercise of • pre-
of all the official persons with whom he had wily au-
teecounre on that occasion. For that reason he lied rogsiive so essential for the interests of the entity
written to Mr. White, the Magistrate. whom he itself, and of the whole country.—(Cheers.)—
understood to be the same he had spoken with, He contended that there was nothing in the state-
mint of the Honourable Member to induce such.
segmenting him that lie mode the application with
a view to some parliamentary or other inquiry. a presumption; rather, on the contrary, hie state.,
Mr. White, in reply, declined to give him mein itself furnished reasons for preruming that it
the information 1w required. on the ground of had been properly exercised in his case.—(Cheers.) •
his disinclination to be brought into public nonce. —The Honourable Gentlemen had more than ire=
He challenged Ministers to produce Mr. White at sinouted that his strenuous opposition to Miuistera
the bar of the House, and would be satisfied to io that House had induced this proceeding on their
rest his character on the answer which he should part, in order to punish or get rid of so formidable
give to the question, whether he did or did not on an opponent.—(Loud murmurs.}—He could on-
that occasion owe the restoration of the public doutoedly inseguse that there might be persons in
peace to him ? (Sir Robert Wilson) What thee that Howse whose high npinioo of their own petit'.
hail been the ground of Ws dismissal ? —what offence eel integrity sod formidable talents would
iu-
had he committed to draw upon himself so agirs-• duce them to impute every such female of the
voted s punishmeot ? Was it the offence of being prerogative in their awn ease, to a mean. sea-
-1 present at the funeral at all Was it the ',timer try, end pitiful spirit on the part of their up•
of paying that last tribute of respect to a deceased portents. winch would lead• them to get rid of
Sovereign, whose cause he had espoused with them by an abuse of such a power. But really he
warmth from a conviction of her injuries! Wes thought the Hon. Gentlecoeu rated his powe's of
it the offence of the respect of his owu constituents, opposition too high. and thought too meanly or
who had also espoused the same cause ? Was it those to whom he was opposed, when he assigned
fur having dared to grata), his own feelings by such a motive for his dismissal. Wm he the oily
paying to the dead Queen, as far as was in bee military man in that House who was decidedly op.
power, the honours he had paid her wheu living? posed to Government? Hod there not been for
But to the dead Queen the Ministers themselves, years past ethers equally active stud oat less fermi.:
who In her life-time had refused her even dable in their opposition ? Did he think that if
the common attentioue and respect due to a wire Ministers harboured such feeliogs as he imputed tn.
man, thought it proper to pay a marked tribute of them. an Honourable General, who represented
respect, and from that feeling had appoineed a some Scotch Burghs, he believed—(Laugister)—
guard of tumour to attend her romans. lin were would have so lung retained his rank in the army
neither of those which he had euumerated, was it Or need they in his own case hive waited, alter the
the offence of having interfered to prevent the ef- experience of his first sitting in Parliament till the
rusion of blood, and to stay the intemperate pro- 14th August. Mel, for the opportunity oleo visite
ceedings of which be wen a witness ? He called ing him ? But sufficient had appeared in the Hot.
them intemperate proceedings, referring to the Gentlemati's statement of his proceedings on that
time when he arrived on the spot, and lie coma- occasion to justify his dismissal from the army.
dered them as likely to have led to ulterior rouse. When an officer holding the King's cocntnietion,
quences far more disastrous. than those which they receiving the King's pay, decorated with hormone
bad already produced. His utmost endeavours he had which he could not properly weer without the spe-
exerted to restore peace, sod it was proved by the riot permission of his Sovereign, remains connected
result that his interference had enabled the rotes- with a body of persons engaged in illegal proceed-
emu to pass by that part of its intended route. Was ings-e(" Hear I hear I" from the Opposition, re-
he to be dismissed for addressing the language of echoed from the Treasury Benches)—in obstruct iii<
censure to soldiers under such circumstesices? Hie the legal orders of the King's Governmeot—(Clo-ers
language hod made neither widows nor orphans, from both sidel—was that no offence ? The
end he was confident the withers themselves felt Honourable Gentleman, on :main to Cuinhe.-
thankful at the time for his interference. He op- lend-gate, found the life guards io a situation wai ir
peeled to the many soldiers who hod been under he says he never knew troops to be in but when
commOid, whether in all circumstances of the they had received a check—he found them &tend-
camp or in the field, his most anxious endeaverers bed lug their lives—(Cheers from both sides)-The taw
not been directed to the promotion of their comfort. them ire imminent peril— (Cheers from both shies)
He appealed to all the official characters in the and hie own knowledge of the service must have
House, whether when under command, he had not taught him that nothing could hare been a greater
paid the strictest attention to military tier. The act of insubordination, nothing more inconsistent
civil law regarded as accomplices in every act of with his duty as a wiliest, moue, then when out of
outrage, violence, or bloodshed, every person pre- uniform, engaged in no duty, employed on no ser-
sent who did not use such means as might be in his vice, acting under no orders, /moue no reminded,
power to prevent them; and would they hove had to interfere in any way with troops ordered out mi a
him sit meanly sod .tamely by while tumult was special service, and tinder the direction of their own
raging and blood was shed, sod use no endeavour officers. As so officer cf the army, the Hon. Member
to prevent it ? What the law called mantle man to ought to NM known thst he was not authorised to
du as an act of duty, could that, become criminal address himself to soldiers engaged on duty with the •
as the act of another, because he happened to be a intent of interference. and that it was a great breach
registered member of the army ? He called on the of military subordination in him to address them at
House not to give countenance by their conduct all. .The language he used was still more Ohjet...
011 this occasion to the opinion so current abroad, tiouable. The Hon. Gentleman told them they had
of a distioction of interests between its Members disgraced themselves.—("Nu! no!" from the Up-
end their constituents,. He had felt a pride position Benches.) —He had taken down the words
in wearing the uniform of a British officer; he which the Hon. Member admitted that he had
bad felt that pride tbe greater, because in latter used.-e[Sir R. Wilora said his words were, " It
days that uniform had been recognised as being will be disgraceful if you tenitinue tiring ID this
worn by men who were the protectors of the laws. manner."]—(Cheers from the Ministerial side.)—
amid were themselves protected by them. His He saw no difference in the terms.—(" Hew 1 hear
conscience told him he hail discharged his duty from the Opposition.).—The Hon. Member said,
faithfully cad zealously to his King and country that he did not know that the troops were actiug
on the 14th Angus', and that he was entitled to under orders--(" No no!" from the Oppootion)—
that redress end protection which he now implored at least so he had understood it. If the Hon.
et
the hands of that House.— (Loud and contiused Member did know they were under orders, how
cheering.)—He concluded by movioge- cone he to ask under what authority they acted ?
a That lb. Corsimponamee of his Royal Plortroma ' The question proved Ins want of knowledge of the
Com adeeie-Cbiet and Lord Viscount tinheoutlt with Sir I fact about which he inquired. He maintained that
Robert Wilson, is tbe mouths of September arid umber it was an inherent and necessary prerogative of the

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oackes had passed through the pair, they saw the
is hearse turned round. and driven into the, livde
Pok-corner gate. He then thought they lord been
deceived by the person whom lie saw on horre-
ir hock in the crowd declaring to them that he had
Sir Robert Baker's authority for t,•e communica.
•ton he had made. lie followed the hearse, which
moved rapidly up the Park, and on his way he sow
Hon. Member pays, who saluted him n. parsing,
to and whom he imagined to be going to fetch more
to 14'9% As tit approached Cunthrrland•gwte he
Ie observed a party of the life guard. in sapid motion.
as The House kite'. very well that ail rapid more-
ls meats of cavalry had an aggreasive appearance.
he •fhe movement winch he ob•erved on that occasion
most parttcol■rly so. The people took offence,
✓d lid he lit.rd Ultra call the soldiers names, but he
♦ '111" nos/ours thrown. Presently they saw the upper
•iI end or the Park coveted with a scattered body of
' People, running in all directions. some of whom
eb 'old then• that the soldier, were cutting ut the ;mo-
b, fie then heard a d•selsarge of fire-arms, and
hardy afterwards a second and ■ third; and he
Mil tut forward towards the spot. Soule person. uest
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