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home, Rad the Otkii.rs n,rl inro u4der their ( MUM MA, • hu
N bravely snit Jil1111.1) Ihuted their imprelcrs

Words the wit." •
Lord Glattl'lt.l.S roll. not for the purpose of
* tucking the 'emu objection to this vote of thanks,
be we torn would inure rsatlity than fin ti.. usell rtl reds his gratitude to tli-0.411 who hail kroiatriboted
. • their service* to their cosintry's good. But while
' . it* concurred with the Noont Secretary in prai•ing
whet Itad been Atone by this portion of win army
end navy, *till it was a question in has cobsidenr-
. .-. ..- timi now '.fsreity new sennisizion in that part of
• tie world would be lieueticial to our comniercial
'ibtrest,. No doubt could rids*, that cur confined
t '•' consumption at prestmt would not alioril II proper
.market for the produce of chi, newly obtained co.
104, and by Mere:non?, 'he commodity prove in-,
jurions to our commercial wrllare. It had been
stated. the force employed upon this undertaking
wore nut wanted in nay other;port of the globe. but
s- ; th•r Noble Secretery must first prove. nut the motion
". ahvout to her brought forward by his Noble Friend,
wly-ilier; if the ex:w,litions to Spain and Pnrtugal
ought to have berg adopted, a sufficiently largv•
and efficient force hail been sent fur the piirp4tee of
eatraprting the citrupligii. 1
The Vote of Thvok. was suireed to tinaiiiinonsly.
.1 Mr. Coley preaositiol, Papers fro:o the Cott a...
sioner* for the A r:.iiirisient of 11. ...edit re4artliog
Scutlairl.--'3rder‘d to he laid on :he Tabled
Adjourned.
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110VSE. Of COMMONS.
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4 The rill flii allowing a litri.lce to he haft erects OM
Tisfillits, r. 18ZaC the savoy to the iii.p,oirt bison., wet
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Na &ONLY MONTGOMERY PrOngllt in a ltdi c.o. a.dtinz
.., rse,las all doubts of per no prof:ming the C.stlialseßelizisaa
• a posses. freehold prosaerty us Inland. Haas! a tint time,
' AA& neutered to he read a secotol time this if.,. fortisielst.
The Caernarvon Ilaehaur Bill was launch third Owe nod
' pnaiwal.
The ficotris Reror Is' Bill ir-s read a third time and p-irsed.
• The Irish Itibeinil Bali WAS read a iisirsl time cud
russet
31r. Pow.6llllr Cave flak* or his intention to bring for-
- yard • ernes rtlato.s. to the
.s...alactiost of ver..r:d pupas
rrspect.n.c. eit hoe ra attains is Stain, an the litsth i‘iliiiilili
oat-As they w -re iss....Nsr. 6: 111-Isn. to that dpi.
:qr. ton:: xave nut.ee of his nitration to more, on
Tharsila) nee., for a. veral papers talisfore to the Late CAW-
imicu id Pu•-iiizal
Mr. ...taw Inured, that the paper* lahl befre. the 'louse
bon tip- P.uuceg ituaid lit Dublin he Ishidcal Oros-sett.
A .. iosatte from the Dunne of Petri infcuift fuse liaise
that theirloriships lent 17tret'el 10 I lif Irish t'• ru filiton•tai ma
bull, the Irish Spirit Drawback Dill. the PCiiiiiiAt Dilly Bill,
tied Oft pewter Bill
Mr. Payee dilute gave notice of Isis Atentino to noire
tomorrow, for stone papers rentro to the dent:i rigri.ey of
lobo New ton, Esa twos tie,. rear I /44 to liar Brea inoa.
A Bull r.N,..:411 dins the rectegaitaaci a to er.nioial es... in
Ireland, --i. 4 Mat time, roil ordered to lie lead sae.
annd time teensuers
LORD cAftTLEtt EAU ti.
Lord Anemia tin" Ilastii.Tux said, that iiii un-
foreseen circanist•aie. would preeruo Lotto limn
bringisiefurwarcl-ho. nityLoii relative to Lord Cos-
tiereaKh. oil Friday next, hr wished tile order 'should
be changed tor to-morrow tie'iiitta,lit.
Lord Casrxt.itAat.ii en.... Out Gtr tee purpose
Of Obikerti .1g t i the !, ••.,n I,II• .•r, mi :t wished (oat
it should hr ut.drridood a. fixed pe: -in inorily for
the they mentioned.
The motion for changing the day was then put
stud carried.
CORROPT DISPOSAL OF oFFIcCii.
Lor.l Foi.nsTo s Eon pursuance of in. ilotiee, ore-
.
oious to the late Recess, riade to sniske lit. 'notion
relative to the existelice of cur; opt practices in , lie
disposal of &Ares. lie doing this lie said, tt The
House will recollect that l•i On, minutes of evident e
now before the It.nise, there w: re matters coixte 'nit
not iinasediatela connected with the deportment of
the Corromaml.qi-in-Chief, from which it Appeared
that various 'eorimptious in the disposal of places
bed existed to a very goat degree. The Molise
did ant think tit doriusg that investigation to peals
their inquiries as to those instances to a great ex-
tent ; but on one occia,i ttttt stink matters laid come
oat as to iii.luce the I iduto; to otitniiiit a (Non:rattle*
to investigate some, porticolar illbliSeii of the nature
/te alluded to. and their report, which is solo ttt i t taus,
is nnw in the. llinuis of almost every Member. It
did appear during the lute investigation, that them
were varioti‘ perunto, esnployexl iii the distio-al of
places tinder Onverainent. and surely the Home
icannot allow quoit peuelkos to exist, without exa-
mining into ettrio *towhee, ih order to ;undid% those
that hate lie..a guilty of the offences that hove be-
•conie 'spy:its-iv, SO FIN to apply a remedy to the evil.
Other foots hkewile tissue out. in the course of that
love/ igation, with ruusuiect to the corrupt wale mid
purchase of commissions in the army'--f . which
it appeared dint army hunkers had been employed
• . fir the purpose,of advantaging them-elvi. and their
friends, eVen sittec the army regulations, reheive
to that suluject, had been passed. Its the ease of
Colonel irreue!As Levi.. it appeared theta notate of
raining wee hail been adopted, that gave rise to
foal-tenet cis of a most eortupt nature, and on alit
certainly to be iiiiiiii,roti into. The eiremustaimes
that have come to the knowledge of the House,
since 1 gave my notice, are a great emilirmittioti of
the propriety of this proceeding. I mean the int-
proprietiea that have been proved to exist in the
appointments of _tile East India i'entssissists I *ball
not enlarge upon this subject, *4 1 CroIC;CIV. it is
_impassible the House Will refuse luncha motion, ,A
tie nos I have now I:se hortotit to submit to Ostia.
I hen, therefore, to tome.
" That A Conenittee be appointed to inrot're lain Oat es-
' tamer or en eorenTst practice • rt any depart :trot of the
store, or hall Hoy ,e4reeinci.lt ucgoetstioa, er bargain, et-
. then direst or loiterer, tor then), 44 Macro, and ai.,e, into
soy eorruiut priotic.•s, as to .he sale of ereitatio•Low iii glee
sissy, awl I tee noisome of tarts fit let, it.—. i id Lbw toe said
Cutniuittecilarrperneieirope6in, with observation' tfiere-
• trivoi.and also, that item bare pmwerlct report the Wrote,. of
evidence, takau to•fore Dom, Sewn time to Niue, to the
• 040,8 c./ • .
Mr. Pi,flcl:v.tt.,--" I u•nnoot u4ree to this mo-
tion, hullos/ the Noble 1....n;(1 inixely collects lacts
out of that evidence, 'whirls. he says, littl'iCt^4 hint
to dillik it would Last ailsiwirtle to enter into this tze.•
sterol iirrpoirV, in order to elable the Ilium: to dis-
sever itofis•nlintis who have herd guilty of eiyrrittit
practioet, mid make anent the objects of censure
and punishment. This, h.! .stays. is SPr the pur-
pose of prefetitioir the 'reciirretice or aitoiler emu-,
plaiiits in future, rod conceives that the result
would he criminal proceeding.' agniost inultvoltiols,
• %Saloott knowing presiously who those indisidnids.
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ore to whole tech accuatitions mould apply. ?rota
all the materials that we as yet have. 1 rTo not think
thaj, to any our case, corrupt practice,, are brought
home to any iieiiyidual eitimeeted a itli the offices
and preferuiews in question-w•laut, oa the contrary,
all the evidence app.mis merely to rhea that there
are. a variety of instances, in which perilous, .erirct-
itig theineelves into a species of agents, have endea-
voured to obtain appoilittneurs throtigh those who
may have them in their gift, by misrepresenting to
them the wound* upon which rued) applies& ((((( •
were made. Hy these means, Chime who :lettially
have the disposal of the office, are as perfectly ig-
uorant of any bad intention, or corrupt pructiees
or motives, as any individual Member in this House.
lit the case of Mr. Thellusson, for instance, it up-
pears, train the evidence of the. person giving toe
mforinatioa. that. that gentlensiii hail not the
oftginest know led4e that there n 111.1111) COIIIII4.
pitr-
nose, but ctiliceived that it was solely through
frieudship to as It appeared also, that
otlo r appotiittoents, of a similar nature, had been
1,01,1 y procured from avgnamtatnee Or persona,
without any corrupt old under these cir-
cumstances. I apprehend, that if a Committee
were to go into such a general inquiry, they would
only huh eases in which it would 11,:, impossible to
direct any punishment amtinst those Mein
NMI the of jest a the Committee would be defeated.
lint even although it were teherwisc, I put it to
the Rouse whether it be politic to appoint it Coin-
tante, to inquire tint into any distinct charge, but
set a Committee of Inquiry afloat I kr an intim-
' edam, to investigate all abuses that may have
existed for twenty years. Is it necessary thus to
keep alive the public mind, on a subject ummc
which mere already exists a great degree at a.,
siety ? (Some toughing fioni the opposite
lion. Gentleman may luu4h, but I think there
are several persons on the: oppo,ite side, who will
not lie induced u:atit inch grounds to arstin to this
motion. lam well aware that there may lie musty
to the House anxious to oppose corruption, but
my own conviction is, that a 1
do not think thcre is
soy reason to soppose, that by further inquiry we
could find cases that would lead to the punishment
-of any intlit idttals, without stating any distinct
i-vtain es of abuses. If there be any description
of offeiwe which it may be thought possible to
prevent by any future Bill, such a Bill might lie
proposed for.that purpose, and I may remised the
:lunge, that there ii already one of that descrip-
tom before them, for the purpose of remedying
those alinses which that former Committee brought
•to oar knowledge, and to prevent brokerage of
offices. All that the House had to do, was to
adopt some wholesome provisions of kw to pre-
vent tite icenrience of these evils ; and I appre-
hend that Parliament is already itt pu.ses.siun of
all Uie infortiottioll necessary to remedy tlieni.
Lord Arculaabe Rant wrox supported the
motion, as he thought the disclosures already made
were sufficient to justify its adoption. That fee-
mem which the Right Honourable Gentleman
conceived would be increased br such an inquiry,
he thou4lit would lie rather increased than allayed
by the suppression of it, and he would ask, was
there uo dauger likely to arise from the suppres-
sum ?

not Fordarreous dated, that the lionise el-
ready brought, to light a isyetein of corruption, and
without a more minute investigation, Bills credit
;tot be brought in to remedy effectually the milli
er.saplained of. He begged the Howie to re/1114:1A
what had already been the conrequence of the in-
verti.r.ation of the Committee, as io the Duke of
York, mid cansider whether it itie;lit not be pos-
sible that such a Committee a. that lie now pro-
prised, would net most probably bring some other
indiridnal to piiiiislinreut. The Heusi had other
modes of punishment besides tubtituting criminal
proceedings, and therefore the arguments of the
Right Houutirable Gentleman amount to nothing
ut sill, It was truly astonishing to hear soil, a pro-
positiots submitted to the House, as to'Wileilber it
tons politic, or convenient to enter into far-
ther ex onination of Mouses, to keep 'dive the fer-
ment in the public mind ; for it could not be
doubted, that after the suspicion of abuses existed,
it was the most politic step that could In• taken to
prove to the people that they did ant Sach
a motion as this was the very measure the Iti;:ht
Honourable Gentleman ought. by lair owis +argu-
ments, to endeavour to support. The seo.t likely
mode of exciting a ferment, was, the endeavouring
to shut the eyes of the people, by refusing the
she-
tsctinn of threw who committed offences, and to
Arty to what extent they were 'carried on. The .
Ifni/lI:M{ICM already made hli upon the pit the mind
scented to him to call loudly upon the /louse to go
into this inquiry. soar to set the public right us to
the real state of facts ; and couviuce them that
they might look nn to their rulers with confidence,
, which, in the present state of things, did not seem
to exist, Whether these abuses existed or MA, it
was in every point of view proper to 'agree with
such a motion, aud if "any thing in the world was
likely to raise die ferment to a dangerous extent, it
was the opposition given to it, by one alio is the
•frieud and associate of those persons alio are the
culprits in the very oilencer compluined
(liver ! Hear !)—lf this Cumnsittee were not
appointed, the public must undoubtedly think that
corrupt practices of the %satire entitled to, did
actually exon.
Lord 11, Para opposed the motion, upon the
came grounds as Mr. Perces-al. Ile thought it was
frilly necessary to adopt prospective measures, to
remove existing evils. He could nut support the
of his Noble Friend, miles* it wrut to-spe-
r.
wirticular filets and abuses to lie inquired into
end rectified. It was not usual for the House to
Co' is mit such powers to any Committee—as it would
be indeed departing from their privikgcs. The
lotise nught certainly to hilt, e th,e power of judging
if the ells, etions of may charge he sliffieiesite be-
fore they -enumsitfesl it to the iiirmitigatinit of it
Cointnittee. Such a motion as that now proposed,
would to produce all inquiry into every abuse
that us my have existed; ut day time. however di,-
taut it might tee, when Amy suspicion attached. It
war, in short, an inclai.iitorial Nucl. ~,,, which
should only Ise lodged in Pashament. He should
be nevertheless inclined to rapport his Noble
F'riend's motion, so far as he could make out silly
1111Velik allegation, us to en, abuse whatever, aria.
in; out of the Minutes alre.itly before the House;
because he confessed that the premeut state of the:


1 puhlic mind required dint ingniries slinelld be can-
t utieted ins the &nog rational Lansciples. tie 1,01..,ed
I that in the instances where Coutinittees had been
appointed for general purposev, they had proved
abortive ; !It'll' was the case in the generel inquiry
Instituted as to the conduct of the Tory Adiannie-
tratims, ii, Queen Aunt's reign, and the generul
inquiry into the conduct of thell alpole Adiutiostra-
time. On they gromitis he could not agree with the
present motion +.a it stood—but lie arts peptic:l.
to enter auto any inquiry of it specific nature, that
might afterwards be proposed.
Mr. WIIITURLAU said. he should certainly vote
for the modem, because every argument used
against it only tended to ,hew the no:tweedy of en-
uring into a general inquiry into the situntion of
onr affaii A. Abuses have been proved to e‘ist.
aril it only remained to be itscertnitied by whims
they were tominittleYend on whom ptinishurein
was vibe iiitlO:ted. lie believed that bulb in +tin! out
of that flonse, the conviction MI liSt he illa : a great
deal would be brought to lit:lit by sir: l 3411 inquiry.
The Rtilon.Gemnitiagiiied that every tieing aiecee-
sary was included in the Bell he had abuilete to, but
this he (Mr. W.) doubted exceedingly. If they did
hut know the real nature and extent of grievances,
how vivre they to remedy the evils ? What did that
llaglit Hon. and Learned Gentleinan think now of
the firm of Poltuau and Kealock, where placi.s of
ell descriptions' were disposed of? It was there
that the ,rand corruption was to lw finned, by which
all wits corrupted. The first istfortnation of its ix-
isteuce was received with redieule by all, and that
Right Houourable Gentleman seemed to have eio
suspicion that there was any such office; mid yet
it now appeared they bed gone for severe' years
disposing of place., even by ;midis advertise-
vomits. If so,, aas it not ;ever to inquire if th..e
persouo were eciaiteeted with individual* it oilliee,
lei, they disposed of plmes connected with all sorts
of patronage ? When such mimes !save come out
i.i the Cuminiiti e upon the East India allisirs,
tooled the Right 11 ble Gentleman feel intr-
o. - .1 that the public should be in a ferment? The
public •tiiiiel was justly indignant at what had come
1 to light, and %inlets the House showed itself well-
ing to disclose every thing, and to bring culprits
to posuishineitt, the consequence* were to lw
dreaded. The motion might have Leen framed
with greater specification, hut, even as it was, he
could never consent to its being rejected, for the,
purpow of throwing a veil over 'fuels corrupt trans-
actions. In the appointment of the Committee,
such a selection of into might he formed as were
thought most worthy of confidence ; and there
might even be a power reserved to change them sit
any time it might be thought proper. He hail
now nn doubt that criminality would Le found to
Huai li to many individuals from such en investigas
tines, fur he believed that in various departments
of the state, abuses existed that were not yet
ch-eamed of, and that they by this means would
be brought to light. If other Committees in mat-
ters of a general nature had been appointed, end
did not do their duty, it. was no rearm' why the
Mouse should not do theirs upon the present °era-
%ion. He was convinced that greater danger
would result from the refusal, than from the com-
pliance with this motion, for the conduct of per-
nuns thooglit to Lie implicated must either be
black or white ; if black, it ought to be disposed
of by bringing them to punishment ; and if white,
nothing could be more satisfactory to the House
and the public, than their innocence should make
ita appearance.
Mr. Tieatixtr said he understood at the time
the noure for this motion was given, that it was to
bent a different nature, dint it was to atweify the
isarticielsr installers of idolise end corris•ition to be
investigated ; lent he now fouud that it was totally
different from whist was at first intended. The
Nouse were now, all of a sudden, called on to take
one of the most important steps that ever was
taken, and iti proportioit as the public mind
was already ',Aurally heated, its consequeuces
became
oor less than arraigning the whole Govern.
1 merit of the country, in every deportment, as
! if their re-induct gave. rise to suspicion in every its--
stance. Ile perfectly agreed with 1s Noble Friend,
that where a prima facie case was made out, it
would be most disgraceful to the House, if not
sifted to the bottom!, ; but while the House owed a
! duty to the people, they also owed a ditty to the
`Government of the country, in supporting it to a
certain extent. They were. by this mottos, about
I to deal with the Government iii a way which they
**old mot dream of doing io the case of an indivi-
dual. It was ul mere rumours that they were
to accuse persons of real-practices, and have their
conduct investigated by a Committee ; anti it mast
be recollected that the characters of many indivi- '
deals most sustain injury in the mean time, altiso'
no specific charge could be at all brought against
them. He load no doubt the Noble Lord most
have some particular cases in his mind. otherwise
he could not have brought even this motion for-
ward, because motne specific charge must have been
brought before the Committee. and if so, why not
put the House previously in possession of it ?
If mil-practices had been committed by himself,
lie shoodd certainly wish that they should he first
lint upou a specific footing, and therefore be could
not think of entering into the consideration of
charges against the present Government, where no
speefication took place. It would be even highly
improper to put upon their Journals that there
were grounds of suspicions against them. without
stating the particular grounds upon which such
suspicious reeled. • So far from desiring to throw-.,
veil over any corrupt transactions, lee weesheJ the
very reverse, for he should wish every opecifie
charge that could be meek nut regained no indi-
vidual to he prolitel to the bottom, and the degree
of guilt attacisehle to hen to be brought to light.
—He hoped the Noble slord would, for God's
sake, pause, before lie persisted in a • motion of
this kited ; for, while he gave him ample credit
for his hotiourehle and upright itittnitiosis, he felt
Ithat the most deingeroum coosetpiesices might isrise
from such 4 manifest departure from the ortlitiary
peneeeiloigii of Parliament. I i the cases of the
Rest India Patronage there was, in his opinion, no-
tiling that touched the Government of the country,
diet Home., nor any public departineut,.for it onlv
alieeted the Court of Directors themselves. is lir)
OM subject to a separate law Its to the transactions
Otitis nature that had been disclosed. It had al.

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ways strus k I with surprise thitt the notme had
greeted pe saison fur that Co asuittee of Indian
investigation at all, as Ilse Cotthome* o f Directors
were already faith. •iselde Is, the ISMS for any
eiltsice committesi. Ile tres..esi the Noble. Lord
would Withdrew his mono', awl houg it in in some
ether shape, for otherwise he could not egret
without moue sta.iig grimed. to critnioate all
departments of the Slide. Ile believed the ma-
jority of the House hail Ito slis;eisit to shrink
inquiry, but still that inquiry must be
instituted in u meaner the lutist prover end just to
satisfy the public. His nwei character must speak
for itself, but he must say that no cry whatever
could induce him to agree with such a *notion.
Mr. BRAND quid. that he lead an objettom to the
nestion of the Noble Lord, but it was tnetely an
objection as to the mode of inquiry which it re-
commended ; by would support it or acv motion
so recorded us to tit the trecedent• upon their Jour-
'sills. The (;entlerriesa who were le ,t e,forn„d
njion the subject of their precedes, 5, had ties tutu d
their dissent 14101) the ground* of its too
steralityl I helves inclined to thiokt: et in
son we. so tit to inquire into abuses as the Ilswevt
of C 1111 l 'nuns it. If—iu the House s Coulasone
ipsestious of that nature were likely to he ale.
ciderl upon with snore consisleratiou ter the
of the country than ill Comm:tires, tOr winch rue.
son, with whatever regret, he must ist oet the
thin of the Nolde Lord I).v, hies
Mr. LETLIBRIDart said, that the usiatiota slid nut
appear to relate to any ourticular charges *gonna
any particular per.r.us, whicit ROW What the Cousitry
expected; upon that groused he sontkl wait until
the Noble Lord was prepare:l to specifj the chariest
hr had to sotbsuit.
Mr. PuNKUNRY mid that he hopes! he world not
be accused by any mass of a wish to conecal'assal
serer', abuses; ou the contrary, he will most on v..
toils that abuses where they existed .11iiiild be
brought to Hein, the Noble Lord himself was slat
more in. Ile objected to the ruction lactose ti.
House, because it eniri that great %apnea
had rx-
istetlt without °filming any proof fur the as,er-
tion. If the Noble Lord had followed the e:oessl.le
of the Honourable Gentlest's'', who brought for-
ward the charges against the Duke of Vie k, he
winald.have.ubtained every satisfactiou for the poll-
lie abuses of -which he complained. He u:ougist
the Noble Lord was hound to stets- the charges.—
Tliei:4 wits n'OlitstaneC in tbe.practice of that Hoare
to authorise the tuferteice, that, because sonic
charges had coma ant ageinst an individeur, they
seere justified in criuneatise; a whole eoteruirent.
He would not give a silent vote upon that oucasious
because there appeared a disposition in twiny per-
sons to misrepresent the character of that Noon .
to hold them up its all knaves and rogues 'dike ;
because it had been said, that it signifitd little what
party was in, as the object of all would be to coy, r
and to comitemmee corruption. He nould say, in
answer to such persons, that there were itiin in
that House as honest as those who wade the
charge.' lie felt that he was himself actuated by
principles:As pure; he %%evils! go as far as any mal
ii. detectim, and correcti..a the abuses of the es en-
try, hut th? present mot lie could hot vote for.
Mr. ellitt‘.TOPll6ll HIVICiIIX6OIII bald, that the
motion of the Noble Lord went fusilier than he
expected 'or wished, for he was desirous that It
should obtain the most TeSpeChible rapport. With ik
regard to what was said as to the general powers
with which the Committee was to he entrusted, he
was satisfied, under the cirruitesouices, to vote for

the :motion of the Noble Lord. Unfortunately he
Was of opmson that the system of got eminent sid-
ed upon for a lua4 while past, wits not such as •
would benefit the country by its continuance. Ile
ea, desirous that the Noble Lord hull brought fur-
ward specific charges ;' but from what had already
umwarerl—froin what had been proved before the
Mouse—the public were anxious and alive to in-
vestigation ; and lo• whoold consider hinoell. as con-
tributing greatly to tut injury of the public cause,
if lie endeavoured to preveat that scrutiny which
was called fur. lie was of opinion that the Noble
Lord was prepared with specific charges, but there
might tai reasons fur Isis not exhibiting them at that
motorist. As to the itemisation that fool been
brought against him, of arraigiiing the present Go-
vernment, it did not hold ; fur he had only moved
for inquiry in general. Certainly, if iu the course
of that inquiry there appeared grounds for IBC-
cubing them in particular, the accusation would be
made ; but at present there was none. '1 lie object
of the Noble Lord was to strike at ribose* in the
Goecinnieut, in whatever hands the government
might have been placed, and from a wish to prevent
the same object, lie would support the motion.
Mr. PRIMEVAL said. he had bnt one remark to
snake upon the charge tout had been urged against
the Noble Lord who •bmught forward the motion :
it hurl been objected that there appeared no iipeeitin
grounds to which his motion was directed ; in his
opinion, there were three distinct grounds which it
ensbraeol. there was the appointiueot the levy.
the sole of commissions, and the sae of place*.
With the suspicions Oust lie einertained after what
lately come to light, he was willing to grant, to
the Culuruitte the 'rowers which the Noble Lord
required, and even enure extensive ones if they
wine neeesority to the farther developeuteut of
shines.
Mr. Wesson was sorry that he could not agree
with his Hots. Friend who had just sat down ; in
his view of the motion, lie said that the motion re-
ferred to three points. hot if lie (Mr. V.) under.
stood it right, it went to institute so inquiry Ali-
out any limitation whatsoever. After what hint
alrrndv appeared, ito one could refuse to go inch
any case specifically stated, but upon the bare
grutosd of general opinion, lie could not tote
for tf.e appointineut of u Committee verged
waft such exterior* power*. lie 'weed with the
Nolde Loirl below him, that it would be nu im-
proper delegation of disco:64oo.--a discretion to
which they were • kited by the people of England.
and %Mel,. however highly he might respect the
fifteen gentlemen opal' wham the choice might fall.
he could not of gisiig out of his owls hands
or oat of the bawl* of the House of Co onions.
There .were roomy ierints to lie coosidered before
they agreed to the appointment of a Committee,
which the motion of the Noble Lord did not give
them an opportunity of ascertaining: they should
consider whether the Charge was of milli:lent mug-.
allude; they &wit ! consider itheibq the evidence

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Noble Lord
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wilt sufficiently safisThetnry to be Laid befote N
co.nmittee for the' purpose of itistitnting charges
thereupon. Ire had heard from general report
tutu certain transactions, which 'hod taken place
ip another country, were to constitute, in v.i.1;1
the object of the inquire. Great inconvenience
he was persuaded would result from such a mea-
sure. Two of the persons whom snob an inquiry
must tend to implicate, were now in their groves—
they were not in a situation tn defend themselves;
nor would any benefit result from the prosecution
of a scrutiny into their conduct. Ile alluded to Lord
Cornwallis and Mr. Pitt. Such an inquiry he
thought highly objectionable ; but a Committee,
constituted as the Noble Lord proposed, would
not refute to go into it. the House of Commons
. could, and therefore it was that he objected to its
appointment. If any ease wasstated, of a nature
sufficiently grave to call for investigation, he would
'support any motion which wont(' tend to its effec-
tual prosecution. Tow present, however, was
f-aught aids such objectiona as must prevent Lin
from ntierding it his support.
Sir JOHN ANStRUTHER diet he Obi. Cted
U. the motion, hot only from its esnieral ant am, but
It tat) lom,saat It ato al Its a fret, without a tilde
ut that abuses lt.tol existed • . all thlic,, iu
tlinvernment." An lion. Gentleman behind hail
gone further, and said that he had a right to sus-
pert the eoverinneut of the conatry ; what right
!Ind he to suspect them ? if he had asst' facts to
bring forward to the effect, let him come forward
with them ; but if ha had no such facts, he had
sso right to suspect them. The motion before'
them, was of a description entirely new to the
House, it went to delegate rtimers they knew not
what for, a piirpose of which they were also igno-
rant. If a specitic caste was made out, with the

wircurtistanees of time, place, and person, it might
. he prseVer to adopt such a proceeding, but the evils
of which they complained, 'night be remedied by
the law of the land. Ills Majesty's Attorney-Ge-
neral might lie competent to prosecute the &lin-
Asiesits; they should therefore pause, before they
adopted a proceeding which might cud in putting
all judicial hissioem in the bends of the worst of all
psweible tribetiale. He could not agree in afford-
the to the Committee unknown ic.'d unheard of
purrs and therefore would epissese the mistime
Ir. PETRI' Medea regretted that there was no
gron.id specifically statcol, aril hoped the Noble
Lord would bring it forward in a shape in which
they could snpport it, especially as lie saw in the
House of Cotnamois a dispnsition to inquire into
and prevent abuses. There were in all twenty-one
levies, all of which were to be inquired into; the
snits raid fist them by the public, siss'iieur 500,0001.
of this, only as fur as 411,0001. laud been Area),
inquired into; in which sum 96,0001. was not
ac-
coinited for. If the. Noble Lool would alter his
motion, so as to apply to some specific case, he
sheithi have his (Mr. Ad.'s) hearty and cordial
supisott.
IedgeCAwNING said, that he would offer a few
surds upon the motion then before the Reuse; he
would rho so not from any opinion diet what had
been silteigly st.ited by the Gentlemiiii who preced-
ed bun, required any sulifitioital refer-cement, but
brestiew from the spirit which prevailed out of doors,
he would not consider himself as acting a mauly
• pow, if. lie wairwegive a sneer rote 11p011 the oc-
casion ; he thought it right fairly to Naos, his opi-
nion, and the grounds of that opitriou ; he consi-
dered it impu;s;file for him, mid not only for.him,
but for every mail holding is seat in that Heuer,
consistetitly with his duty, to permit such a mu-
tint. to lassos with the consequences before his eyes,
that might result from it to the Constitution,
as. it then stood. There was no relation between
the inquiry. which that motion went to institute,
and the other inquiries in which they were accuse
tsteied to engage. Other inquiries were calculated
to point out abuse—to detect and punish deltu-
queue!, ; the present only went to make general
accuostioiss, and keep alive that ferment in the
public mind. which come persons (iso doubt for
good purp Ace and w,th good iiitentions) thought
-it beecticial to promote, and judicious to iidisine.
Ilia Right Hon. Feetsd was particularly rebuked
for having mentioned his intended legislative mea-
sure, as an ar)guinelot against the motiou of the
Noble Lord; hut. in his opiuion, his Right How.
Friend had a right to allude to it. As it was M-
b:sided for the correction of that kisrticular abuse
which the Noble Lord stated to exist, it would un-
doelotedly he for Parliament to decide whether the
remedy was adequate to the evil. An Honour-
Mile Gentleman had said that great abuses exist-
ed in a ism ocular department ; but be followed
up that assertion with a statement that inqui-
ry eras already instituted, mid that the errors
were Inousht to light. Let mum not lie supposed
as tuniotaissing that, if the powers already consti-
tuted for that purpose were not eufficient, others
might not be appointed. They ought to consider
the consequences of exaggerating beyond the
truth. Some Gentlemen seemed to think that it
was not feel, but good to inflarue the public mind.
An Hon. Gentleman had said that there were de-
frets in the whale system ; Gracious God ! could
it be the correction of the whole system they would
wish to delegate to a Committee ? would not the
Mouse insist upon exercising that power itself ?
was it right to exaggerate the task to be performed,
and these to digs:minus the power and respectability
for the agent that was to accomplish it ? If he
agreed with the Noble Lord that there was a cor-
rupt system common to all Governments, still he
would out agree with him in wishing to trust the
correction of that system into any other ;muds
than those of the House of Common* itself.—
Was there, he would ask, no mischief it. ktep-.
ing the public mind w a ferment ? Was there
no mischief in inspiring with it, sentiment of
the rottentss aiol corruption of their iwartiees,
of exciting *la Owls expectations which could
never tie realized, and deluding them with iii-
vestigations, of which, as the circumstances were
taulinsited it. retrospect, its the nilvantegts were
unliinited in prospect, such proceedings, such
chew., went to the whole class and cast of !while
men ; they went to misrepresent and de'zzr.idc
theta, awl that wee nu light evil in such times ay.
these. Could it he possible that any seers
mean enough itself to impute to public men the
vice of low pecithiery erwroption? Could it be ves-
-sible that any ;tee could .appose, that the Wawa,
this suspicious, the jralauaies, which public taco

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*Mott ic el% **Pre thin:l;3lo etitni.e- soled by mo-
ney ? Could guy man si ho ought. to lay his hand on
the great licit of the 4ftvernin,•tit isterutin snch
an plc*; nod onght he, tci hr suspected of it?
Simft opiabens ought Hos. in be propattated; he
would tr:11 thy Noble Lord that if he did succeed in
diffusing anti establishing sect %vitiations, he
moo.ett 111130 eal in driving away every man of
;poitototil,le feeling firms the wen of Gov.ationent ;
it had a temleaey to mashie pu Info * degraded
cast, in which► no sac who could gam a livehhond
olh,rwiie, would at It ugtls be Paand to embark.
If that pefind did at rite, the Noble Lord might
call it ?,urity and liberty if lie would, hot lie would
cull it degradation mid debasement. 'fbe revolt
of such ea impressian would be ninst eainrnitonv
for this country, for no one of common feeling
would accept • situation that would brand him
with disgrace. and e:ipose him to accusation.. as
disgraceful to submit to, as it would be impossible
to do away.
Lord 11.. Petty, in explanation. said, that he
did not Wean to impute to the Honourable (leittle-
man o:mosite a wish to semen abuser. ; ne thought
that a further inquiry into the abuse was necessary,
iii irrupr to ascertain the nature and extent of the
remedy to lie provided.
Mr. PETER MOORE explained.
Lord POIARTONL. in explanation, said, that a
Right Hun. oil the beach below him lin•I
complained of his notion, became it did not specify
particalai'cliarges, but the object of it ten, to pro-
cure nn opportutiity to make the *predication.—
It had also been objected, that it iavolvill all pub,-
lie men, and was a charge them, but that
opinion must have arisen front a misconceptioti of
the state of the case ; his motion wua grounded
upon an Order of the Day; had it been aii original
proceeding, that objection might hold ; blot it was
only a mation for referring the evidence already
taken in a Committee of t'• 1 whole 'louse to a Se-
lect Committee.

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Stringers being ordered to withdraw, the House
divided, when, w, noderitand, there appeared—

For Lord loaksiose's Motion -
fo

Against it rye
Majority assiast die Monism —s4s
Sir J•stip PULTIOILy brought lap the military
accounts received in the Wur-riffire in the year,
1807 and 1608, which woe ordered to tie laid WI
the table Nn.l to be molted.
The Cominittce of Wa a and Means and Supply
were postponed to Wedur d ,v next.
The other orders of afie were then dispoad
of, and the !louse iiali .0 • d.
THANKS TO COLONEL IVARDLE.
At a meeting of the tohabitanta of the town of
Sheffield, on Wirth', S'lla) last, . hanks were voted
to Colonel Wardle, Lord Milton, Mr. Willie; force,
and others, for their conduct ill the case of the In-
quiry into the coodort of the:'onnnnauder-url'hiet.
The following is an extract fim, one of the speech-
es delivered upon the occasion:—
The Rev. RICHARD LACY moved the Fifth Re-
solution; *Lich being read, he said,
" Lb: M N --It was my intention to have re-
frained from offering any observations on the pro-
prier , or rather I should sscm, the duty, of voting
oar thanks to Col. Wardle frIF that wanly, ener6e-
' tie, patriotic and persevering spirit he exhibited in
the House of Commons in bringing forward it pub-
lie matter of no mean importance, and which, 1
trust, to every candid and impartial mind has been
fully substantiated by a host of evidence, whe-
ther produced on 'the part of ministers or him-
self. Ise!, Gentlemen, I should not thus hive in-
truded ao self upon s our notice, fully aware that
the business was in better hands, had not I coo-
calved it highly necessary that we should enter into
a wider field of consideration, and express our ut-
ter detestation and abhorrence of the corrupt prac-
title and abuses developed in the late ioquiry, mid
which I am sorry to say has been sanctioned by a
majority in the House of Commons. This inquiry,
Gentlemen, however, done ani infinity of good,
it has not only exposed the corrupt consavanev of a
Royal Duke, but it has clearly evinced to the world
the corruption of Ministers. Look, Geotlemen,
to the 'majority who voted in defence of the inno-
cence of the Royal Commander, and you will be-
hold a band of soldiers, placemen anal pensioners.
But, Gentlemen, I have &stronger raason why we
should censure the conduct of this majority. With
unblushing effrontery those guardiens of our pri-
vileged have disclaimed all attention to the popular
voice. If the voice of the people, which, from the
days of Mr. Pitt, dare scarcely be heard shove a
gentle whisper, is not to be attended to, of what
use is Magma Charts? Of what utility are our
elective franchises ? Of What service is our House
of Representatives ? Aunt yet. Gentlemen, these
very men, who hold the popular voice in such con-
tempt, stepped into office by this self-same accom-
modating Judder, and now that they have reached
she summit of their ambition, they ungratefully'
kick it doom, and exclaim against the very
means which Nisei! Men, to their present power.—
The late change of Ministry, Gentlemen, is no
doubt folly ill the recollection of you all.—How
stood then the popular cry with these patriotic hy-
pocrites When down with Popery seas the order
of the Oily, LI, d Ehloa and his Myemidoso were
i'e*it to I. an aril to catch the pleasing silvery
sound, and they applauded the Majesty of the Peo-
ple. lint now, when down with Corruption is the
cry, Lord Eldon and his Nlyrtnirlons scorn to be
belived into political virtue, though it is the voice
of the People. When toleration to the Catholics,
our much injored brethren, was the wi,li of every
diatom, sad libetsl heart ; Prreeval, with affected
piety on his lips, but real meow in his heart, we,
seen pacing the siren of Northampton, inflaming
the unlettered multitude with the tire-brands of ill-
toltritm•roind front amidst the murmurs he had
created, retained to London, :Member for that
Town, Chancellor of the Escheqner, and Chancel-
lor of !lea Duchy of Lancaster. Hot now that a greet
mall's mistress thiough his connivance has broken a
I' public law, he rraretrno appeal to those voices which
made I • who( he is, fbr they would retort, him ohne',
of his honours to that place from which he originally
*mine. I hope, gentlemen, I shall hot be thought to
trespass nit your time, if I add one reason snore fur a
vote of thenks to Colonel Wardle, mid as a Chris-
den Professor I hope I may he alto seal to exhibit
it in I moral 'Joint of view. The great may he
maiipared to etlifiCTS erected on the summit of a I

1011, uinl r•nnaegnsntly seen from nttr ; they are as
Gaining torches, whose Splendour exposes and be-
trays them to public view ; they arc so public pa-
genius oo *Mtn every eye is 'hued ; their manners
torn the 11110/11CIII of the people; their examples
arc the roles of the multitude ; tor we well know it
is human nature to copy those above us., Under
this infatuating spell the city forties its manners
frcm the court ; the town soon adopts the perni-
cious excesses of the c.ty ; tire humble tillage
quickly inhales the he,ti!eiitial colit.,otom and the
cottager, who would others ise hose lo not an
ornamental at least an inotrim,ave member of so-
ciety. is brought by bad example before his coun-
try's tribunal, couvicte•l and conalilarted fortrimes,
of which, under at more palliating name, his supe-
rior is pronounced inteicriii."