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the kit war, a war ohich had been an onfortnnale with ref:tense
tn• the rights of iriaepttelent national-the 'rights Ig nations to
choose or improve their own tovemiiient--and therefore etibversiee
of the interests of this country—thls country, 'bids had beheld
Sekin occupied by a foreign power, and by a power which was
elways opposed m rr.licy to ours The Noble food remarked on
the courtly expressions eontaireil in the Speech Imm the Throne
in alluding to thin subject, and thought that his 311inirters ought
to have put stronger expreri.i!eir into the month of his :llajerty.
When the Noble i'llover of the .IrlOreas observed that he disilikrol
altraairni in any shape, la: would use whether the Hoot shameful
ultra-bun had- notabeen intro:Mei: :ton rip-.in? It bad been the
duty of the advisers of the troor, hscivirc it was the interest of
this country, to have taken a mere decided car*, the.; a graft act
of injustice had been attempted : oleic:11 /UV) efl.et; and it was
the nature of that act to prudes, reproted violations, wilco one had
born no sucecarfal. A time :night came relic:. it wenid materially
affect this country, by int:miming a new and t'eatruerive system, of
government. M a had been told, that in consequence of the con.
quest of Itonaparte, the freedom of the various countries, arid
the happiness which followed it, would he Once.; !el a sure founds.
lion ; but did he say wrung, seen he deelared that the interests
of Europe were placed at the disposal of two or three great
military powers? or when he said that no ceontry in Europe
retained independence or power to mist opF.osion ? Was there
any country in Europe outt zooid not be miliged to resign its
rights and its opinions et the will of these ton or three—lor
had almost said tyeannic„ ? Ile (the Noble Lord) could
not consider the state of Immo.. a; 6- moist:aro ry," when lie knew
that neither Spain, Italy, nor eiwitterl tad, bed been able to retain
the powers which they or. e Isms .red. could lic be told that, there
existed in Europe any other 1,.r7 but the one lie hod alluded to—
the Ms of farce! let lie cilia not forget that tads country had
always considered its policy it ito to maintain tiii• iltio.l2 of the weaker
' Nfaitiot the stronger party. ttnt what would he the cot:sequence if
all chance of suture improve-lent iron to Inc fett _tool 'low!), and not
xaffeted to creep Into teeth:tiro !•i• 012 interference of the individuals
to whoni he had rdluded ? As In. at Ell gland iii (7.oerlitinedi on a
connexion with that port of Cle iviiee.lem it may be, where
trade and commerce is increase g, it the country will be enabbel
to maintain her rank: the ;cold, had seen with
great satisfaction the plans oboist I,yr 3liainters to caeotrage the
growth of liberty in adh tont part of the world. Ile most
sincerely that the stem they 1...1.1 taker. hail been tuken ruiicr, be-
. cause he knew that eat lips of this eauntry and of many others
would one day be turned moan!, Sooli America. Ile had ob.
' nerved with much pleasure the pious pursued by the lYtiited States,
in having recognized the incbaende: cc of the South Arneeicans.
The affoirs which were to to on the other side of the At-
!antic were those of the greattot meonitiole. When he recollected
I that in North America the yopirtetfon, which war originally three
million., had increased, in a period fortyY years, to twelve !nil- I
lionsoit wax natural to expert.tharthe inhahitants of South Aloe- I
rice, whkin at moment amounted to sixteen millioar, would also in I
the tarot of forty years inereve in eropor ion, and become a room- I
lotion of fifty millions. A calculation had been matle that every
person in south America watt a corm iner of die valor of two
pound!, of foreign manufacture thi. r. The Noble bord had,
therein...! yet to learn how, under sue:: cirzunotanceo, this country
could be deterred from fortineg a strong contitoion with south
America, when such connexion ontild be at once most useful and
most honourabk. The Noble Ion! trusted that the communica-
dons of his ;Majesty's al iltieterr, wilt the Foreign l'oweni, on thin
important subject. were still mire frank and decided than those
o Mat had been laid before their Lordrhirt. He thought it his
duty to state nil much of his opieinna tio thin material part of Ins
Majesty's Speech. There were other)mires in it. which though not
minor, vrerenflessgeneraltiroor, nee; e^e of which he would alliole
to--the state of the West t'ii:ieMat, foe which he thought a
great deal should be done, am! little : but 'okay other uopor-
. tunitits would titles for dwe!ling on this topic. With reotud to
. Ireland, he felt felt with the Noble Lord who seconded the Ad.
drew, that an entire change might yet take place in her condition,
and the evils, which were Admitted on all sides to exist, be Wu.
motel)! removed. It war not the wish of the Noble Lord to more
any aioandreent to the Speech r.f his alaitsty, but he certainly
thought the part of it which eeiated to foreign polities should have
been more frank and deeirive. . _ _

The Earl of LIN' rlt PIN Ili etated that he so fury eeneurred in;
all the sentiment* of the Adsiress so ably moved, and wa evil
seconded, that he need rot !save adrertetl to any of the topics, but
he might be supposed to ressort to the clews of It taken by the
Noble Marquis who bad just sat ilown. It might be conceded on
all Mode, that at nn period (dour history did this country enjoy so
great a *hare of Internal proesec, thy as at the present moment ; no
one could deny that distress had in a very considerable degree ex-
isted throughout the country, and it WIN a matter of peat gratifi-
estion that this dietnes had been removel by natural awes with-
out legislative Interference. llvi!s very often had originated by
the tampering of Government to redress mischiefs, but it was
always noire desiralile to reenter from dieeasess by natured course*.
The impossibility of getting through the ifillieulticei entailed by so
long a war, without srenchire on Pltile interests or other, bad been
ably adverted to by the Noble Mover. The great int-realm of ex.
pehditure during war created mary of the evils that might be com-
plained of, as at its esseelasiiiii One expenditure was in a great
measure curtailed. During war, too, the increase of OUT manufac.
tures was looked upon as another source of our national prosperity,
but at a return to peace the prosperity ef those persons for whom the
war had ereatell markets and given fixed incomes, must for a time
fluffier. These was aleo anotht rend a reey eerious difficulty to be over-
come, namely, a:cairn to metallic currency. Into thepoltey that sus-
pended it, it was not :heir liesineste now to inquire; but in his judg-
ment
this country never could have gone through the difficultie i s t
.had to enemata but for thee; millilitre ; yet his opinion was always
ault at the peade ere shoal havketajaed to It. Ideal -bid auger;
that to attampt It wodld be the eettain wear.* of entailing a nnuenat
bankruptcy ; it had.biern reeernal to, and what did the experintem
chew ? where had faith trot b.ilfrn nth the public creditot ? ils'e
might have 'Mitred for a 111110 4 but we were now enjoying a prtir—
.writy never before known ;end in the end it haelshewo that honesty
Is the beet policy, se the determination to maintain embl'e faith h.-. 3
alone carried uc through seer difficulties. The Noble Earl thought
It right to allude to this subject pardicuktrly, as in his opinion the
difficulty. had he 13 great and awful. fie e'iould not now go into
the question as to the tneiseres that had contributed to the prolietity
of the country. Hie npiniims on that subject were well known, as
they had been often states:, and he had seen no nams to alter thorn.
The Noble Marquis states, that he does no: think the allusions in
his Majeety's Speech to our foreign policy are sutfieiensly explicit,
or as candid as the other pests of it; to this observation he dote
not think it incumbent on hint to make any reply. ills opinions,
SP stated in the last Session of Parliament, relative to the invaeion
of Spain by France, remained uechanged; he still thought that
France had no rigle to interfere in the internal arrangements of that
country; and, indeed, he thought that France had not even now
made out any case. Ilie wish was, that Spain should have been left
Ito herself; and when he so mill he felt the full magnitude of the
question. Spain ought to bare endeavoured to avert this
evil, not by enneeesions to France, I tit by concessions to
herself; it was never the policy of this country to inter-
fere by menaree, bat 17 advise: the Conetitational parry would I
not follow it, end it wie rejected by the Spaniards altogether. The;
neutrality of England could see ro ground of interference on a dry
national account; bat:, peeking at what has beet done, is a riot
evident diet the majority of ilk Spanish people were arm:: to the
Constitution ? and so eppose.i were they to it, that they hailed the
French army as deliverers, Is there a country in the world so jea-
loom of its national liberties nod honour'? and however they might
have hated the army that invaded their territory, they hated the.
Constitution more, and in the end it turned out that this, boasted
Constitution was no more than a small party in Spain against the
mass of the people. I new come to a tubee.e on which the Noble
Marquis wieliel the Speech bad been more explicit, viz., Spanish
Atuerica. When, wins:4oly by the efilsrte, talente, and persever-
ance or.a NolileDake ricer !tint, the war in Spain had beets brought
toe tenoin itinn, this country was fells. aware of the sate of the
Amerieue Pres hlCtit. and we did of the Spanish Goveminent our
methation--not for the purpose of velure,: them, but for that of
reconciliation. Spain at that time might have preserved half her
colonies by listening to VP; it was our policy row to proceed ens-
; didly and op ealy with regard to Spain. we were under no tireem-
-1 armies that shackled us; we were unfettered; we were free; we
i were under no obligation to toxin, or any other power. net to take
lour own course ; and our spading I. oneale to Smith Amerce sat
! me ely for the profeoion of the interests of British men-Ilene ;
I though still he meet say, that it would he deeirable that Spain
Ishould acknowledge the freedom of her cal honks, rs, until this was
done. we never could consider them dr jsese free, till they were in a
condition to assert and supiseet their itelepentleure. It 111,01e:dune
essential that Perliement tad the coo ary ellesthl know.how this
question stunts. Willi regard to our West belie poesevsiisesie, con-
tinned his lendship, I fully r in what hue fallen from tee
i. 7
sob. ~.„, ; . here er, seed ss seise' is eiehe aril rot by. :.ray ir.
i temperate discussions widen t • breaches Met already eats', and
; we inner rementherehat we lire: a dose to perrotin to the tamers
1 whom we have etiesemiged to 'settle ;here ; hut this must he done
temper steles, ile mattees hair elrendv leuceisled to such an ex-
tent, ;het no peters frill SSV Where teer will terminate. The
cribs that at present wilier beheld arc esst. of • toegible minim ;
they ran only be reniedissl by the opriation of time. The otw
Police .'trot has effeseed flesh god ; bet ee perfection can revel he
at once Destined, this, bee ell new mears7es, is open to improve.
The tithe eviesie in !retard sere.lis on different ground.
thee from 111.:t in Enelivel, but i!•ms riehte of the Church
in heel eseitethe he proneied, sled they rare as Ilicreti, sod as
in Zed to i reeietiese s i the riehie of any tidier peonies%
miesei orl i•t' ti;C:, whore th'.! Till.. CO,!etl,lt: ti ill 1:1!: 11:4/4
I•,1. `..1,,, 1,,011 pttent!ri! Tv;th eistrlliti:. sit ems,,, and
thitesicil Isseies nr7 ems:rimier*: as to is reetilte ; hut,
Ise all inns, etinee, it ri selired coiree-

. t.t.t t!,- li•,111$• xha norther I, nye, to
; that will (er: a nuh;cet titr tutor? rottsii:::ratio::. Ile
helieed r,e,r atlvertt•ti to nll the t..pits tintehcl he
the i:it• ,I,l•llitis ; therefore weuld no: tn.u:lle their Lou.c
ship, nt r.ny gr.lnter
. . .

t•eat N or:a:tetanal in nearly all the topes enthraee3
ter ; dicee werenrine indent, to which he hail an ham-
j peratil .ada.itetion but he yet considettal that the tom: ard tittper
tat it act., not such their -.l.4tte.lstaips °ugh, to n-
whip
', comaitt.n hi; !
the resent state of Etitope. Ile fully recial in the hut part ne,
t, which to the internal peos-ierity. 0i the country, which lie
n...riipy to ivituit W;1-: tot !e woulal tin. one stip
foul:et, that this pre.perity wes t..iittly attributable to
. the wisdom aril firmness of Fa tent. v an the resumption
' C. 0,1 paynicuts—a measure. 0: the stice.... ct *which he would
• en rid eantiph to admit 1:e hail the moat fearful doubts;
he m.o.< rot prelatical to kite .Miaisat r, all the credit thsy
claimed far this prosperity, more when he re.
collected the I,ingttatte hy Mott Miring that distress.—
' As when his Ni hie Friend, attributed it to the transition front war
to Ira. ca.-- No," claimed the Nail.le Lords o 1 site. "
a is
; ea Mr. to dry setsoma. or to a .nrf r.ahuntlivit poimlation;" they now
I tom round aril take cradit for our recia—ty, thotr4h he dui not
think that thee balk ht their etc.iiirt,ce brou..:S: down the riin.; from
Heaven, ur V;Jitt;.Lt the major. of love. Atiother tart of the Ad.

dreg that acre: a him 0.. h etitlsraction WA, the arrartzlincht
that hall been entensl :Austria for the repayment of the
more" that she had itorrext,i from Es, though isr: almost feared
that the nionley that. we should get woad haully pay the expenses
of bent Slawares embassy. Soaie murk taaslue to the Kroperor
of Austria thio stri:lte of trlesty, as lie believed his deter.tnna-
lion token enntr!ry :o the ro:vice and opinions of his Minis-
ters; he also thouttht that the Noble borillet on his side of the
Po:1-e were cotit!,•:l to S one sile.re of pr,.ise, at, bad they adhered
to (11:.t prim propli!,ty of speeds en strongly rooominencled
the Noble Pres.,tlri, ef tin: I seat;:cil, he truly believed that
dolt r,solsiliun never wort/ lotee hee:i taken. 't lie situation of
our Wts. Antaa eoltwits is a ,11:•st:..n of Oct and vist im-
portance; hut I duo!): the prudence or policy of dwelling on
e, or of auflirinit it I. occ.ipv sql large it port'an of his Majesty's
hipeor:i ; and 1 siuntid star tliat it is only a itrtillde to tall for an
wigoicaia.:on of to ops. if it is meant as only calling ott this
I louse to semp, for amelioration, I am wady to say
fiat forc.• of the cot's:try shoidd b: ineross.d, especially in
Jtooaicsi u sad that strict att,...n:ion 011;11t to be paid to the morality
al.t! o isr!.)iiiir of the triers, and a difl.rott d.,tribution of them,
as gre:n Loproveruelts tiny be thereby Ms% d ; and further, that ,
:!1-• fort. aboakt bads ,'l,,yetl, tool barracks and a naval It-senal
sahstisiiied. I ..taLC .11i, o'l the :-..oliority of an officer very capable
of Iginc;-31a.,0r.! Cob Joh!. 1 now conie to that part of
!si..is oh as to :lei s; 'e i t whieit this country statuls with regard
foiroi.e. Our sintaiion is tor and awful, to a dreadful degree,
since or last met. It is a 1..4: thenobody con deny, that France is
in piiiitary soain. This has been looked upon by the
Noble Mover us a :iiinte.r or joy anti ailkifaction ; but, in my
joilgeitot, the present sioiatton oh E•tiope gives the most anxious
sarehoosion. considered only on the point of British interests.
It alibi the yt,rs we have artiplettly lost sight of the old
policy of this was always to prevent the prepon-
derance of thet Power it our [mit coast. 1 his was the object of
Kiag IVillism's wars, ni that of George I. of Sir U. Walpole's,
of in:asorenf.horilChathaiii's hoes;

Imt row th,llo!y 41.7. will, and that will
is ttatve:Nal empire. At t!::. C., :.,•set.reau.nt of the French Revo-
lution, the ground on v. hich o:is country went to war was the
deerisi i f the •1!!th of Nov-other, which held cut promises of
r.s.dstatiec to the tat'V, l'f every eJtintry who wished to shake
MI their allegi..nce. ~is was considered as an interferenee in
the intc7r.r.l ilher coin:trim The Holy Alliance
acted on Chit wiM regard to Spain, and it was equally
in hostility to the a:nicht it,!iry of this country. In this situa-
tion it was lieCt•,iry :/13t. 010 (:avernment sbuuld reflect on the
crisis. aria adopt niertsure, tot hastily, but somewhat
spee:ale, wit:ol woh:1 temd to kr:scree Me balance of power
in Etirope, It writ for 1:,.r to consider whether she should not
p nee herself at the head of the popular party in Europe, like the
l'lreirstar.t pony f.rtaetly ; or whether she should not separate
herself from the Old NVorill And look to South America to form a
bond of union with, that would he FO beneficial in a commercial
point if view, Intlepenilmt of every other consideration. It was
not now cecuary to ds:-I,A tb?s, poin:a. Ile was aware of the
incrritnienee ntteading them, hut he ',mild contend that a system
must he raloine.l to hit country to conoteract the confede-
racy formed agaietq thi., which was siletolv working its ruin. The
adoption of a system was a h.easote of iic.;tssity: one mutt shortly
be chosen. Unless the i.os::.ittlent. did adopt a system, disgrace
and degradation would f.,;!•hr perlixrrs ruin and extinction, and
thee scald descry; ;t 1.•:r their inarion.

TLe F.srl of 1).11INIA:V e tiled their Lordships' attention to the
stft:e of Ireland, and oh.vrred that this .as the Htteat time to bring
the winde atihjttet before tinir leirdships. it'e understood his
Lott:ship at tozntian Thim dfty as the day t.n which he meant to
give notice of a nut:ion on the subject.

11141 1101,I,AND wi..hccl to Cmw from the NoMe Earl oppo-
site whether any doetnw! to relating to the nygociationa between
TurLtyr.ntl ltussia nioe I,n the table?

The. Earl of 1IVI:It1/0.1. tql:i:4l, that he was not attire of
any.

!kir Lcandohips adjourned a Nine o'Clock.

11()1%,:: OF ( 0M310" TUEbDAY, FEE. 3.

The sri:.‘KER cnu.e the House at half past two; at a guar-
ter Gefore tine, he was 'mu:mined to the House of Lords, to hear
the Connitission, mid lii, Mo'..ealt,ea speech read (tor which am
Lords report). limn his return. l:e infeirmed the iloust that the
Session eras ,perta mnlcr the Comma ion of his Alajesty. He
also ir.Mrinati ti.e I inuse, that during the recess, a writ had bees
issued Mr tic tilect;m‘ n::: Member for the county of Lincoln, ac-
cording to the provii:ions of a lax Act passed fur that purpose, sad
that the prnvisams of rile said Act were complied with.
Upon the lotnioas of various Members. writs were then onlesed
to be issued for the chTl!tin of ltepre,entatives in l'arliament for the
borzt h of Liskr:del, in the room of the Hon. Mr. Eliot, who has
au to 11;c Pc-roge : for the hormigh of Eye, in place of Sir R.
Gin (advanced to the dignity of Chief justice of the Common
I'leas • of the; borough of Ashlrurton, in place of Sir John Copley,
appointial his Majos,c's A ttormy-heneral ; of the cony of (hayed,
in place of Charles Wetherell, Esq. appointed his Majesty's So.
liestor.lieneral ; fur Wingdon, in place of Sir J. Ihbatne; for
‘Veymouth, in place of the Right Ifonourable William Wallace,
appointed Master of his 3lsjcaty's Mint ; for Weymouth, in plact
of Mr. 'Alarryatt, dere:nail 4 tor the county of ('scan, in place of
Colonel Md.: won !tint.. now Earl Farnham ; for "Sundries, in
place of the honourable Kt t.is Donglso ; for the county of Louth,
in place of the Hon. J. St, flington, non iicount Ferrer.rour. new 'Members mu: the oaths and their seats.

The SPEAKEH then infonlic4l the House, that he had !lewd
read the gracious Speech of ha Jlajesty, which, to prevent oils-
ukes, he atn:l4l read again. .
The Speech bring read from the (Their,
31v. ti il•fa .1.0,1! phis the 7,urpo,c of inovint,, the Address. The
tone to which ea., llorourable Member delivered himself was go
low, as to render Lim almost inaudible In thegallory. As well as
we ceuld collect, the I tontotrable 31enther commenced by appeailagb
to the indulgence of the !loose. end hoped the important of
the tonics mentiorol in his Ma-nsty's gracious Speech
prove his justification for Intruding on their attention. a
trusted the present titration of the country with that of seee.#4lmrs
since, and congotitilatial the Howie upon the increase oft* NADU-
titetures, continent:, and general prosperity of the kingdoeutt lar.
With respect to the West ladies. he thought the 'Merest of the
proprietors was closely cannel:nal with the moral improvement of
the negroes. The sitwicion of !rebind, he thought, was touch
ameliorated by the conduct :aid miter of the present I lovernment.
lie conciuded by moving the Address, witch was, as usual, the
echo of the Speech.
Mr. DALY, en rising to second the Address, said he was per:
, fatly aware of his utter incompetency and want of qualification to
address the (louse on the important and satisfactory subjects corn.
munimted to them in the gracious Speech which had been read ;
but when he recollected the indulgence with which he had been fee-
quently treated, he . bought he should conatilt the convenience of the
House, by pt reaming at once to some discussion of the topics to
which he alluded. In addition to this motive, he conic-sated 1.1: was
tempted to the stihmet by the lino awl sincere belief, that little or
no opposition would be given to the measure in that !louse; and
when the present situation of the country was considered, in refer.
tame to its rehnions with foreign powers, aid to its Internal situ-
ation, he would repeat, that he thoughtl little or no opposition
could be given to the statement of the great and satisfactory topics
contained in the Speech. But seven or eight years since, the corn-
mace of this country was eseliolet: from the Continent : we had to
enter into a fcorful contest with that entire Continent, arrayed
against us under the guidance and conduct of cue of the ahlest and
most excraortlinary.own that ewer existed : our struggle was not one
of war, or of am holm ; it was to decide whether we were to exist as
• itee and intlepeetiont within. (Hear, hear.) Ile would not de-
tain the I tome 1.). ei•te:ir.g into a octal °Me glorious achievements
.if our gallant arms ;o: limy, by which that struggle was brought
. to a socroodul terwinatioo ; I.' would icier to the Congress which
was I.t firma : at that tarigm.es :ht Minister of this country
apprated, with • moderationd, cyiel to the bravery which had been
exhibited in the field ; and he acted in such a manner, as to shew
that hi. sentiment was to preserve undisturbed the peace and tran-
quality of P. arope. To effect this purpose: /se waived the consi-
deration of all minor interests : he looked steadily at the great to-
pies which were n:atic the subject 61 discussion. He would not
enter into a detail of the conduct of the 31inister, as it had been met
in that House with decided tombs of approbation ; and it waist be
a matter of triumph to that lliMnbotr, after all the trolls which
had been made, and, as he was ready to admit, against, perhaps,
the sense of the country, that the pnuee of Europe wits maintained ;
Ihr by that discussion that peace would he disturbed and war would
probalily ensue. That war had now terminated, and he rejoiced
athcor, ly. in that event ; but he wive um prepared to assert, that the
term mat ton of that war woo such as sus grateful to the feeling* of
the traliority of Hellish subjects. (Hear. hear.) He would be sorry
to thin': that these periettsgriset enjoyed liberty themselves, should
net 1111‘maybakoth-vs.slutiellilismiltrivcil of the emotion spa* of
i:. (Meat.) -Bur when he took Into his consideration the sliOst.
I struggle which had been made in behalf of the greatest blessing
. trotelt had been coat ;red by Hod upon man ; whets he recollected
I lime trifling the sacrifices which bad been made—how small the
resistance which, with very feet exceptions, had been offered, he
[ set', forced to admit toot.that people did not stem to set much value
:Ton the blessing. (I / ear.) At the conimencrnuent of the war,
when it was a mattrr of apprehension lest it should be extendod
to this country, the conduct of linettorti was auth ea entitled them
to the satisfaction of preserving the grotral tranquillity. When be
used the word apprchei:sion, he dit. not Mt: it as expressing the
setoMmeat of fear ; his cotintry heal chewed in the late contest
1 how little it was ;actilairlett with such a sensation; but be would
think we. initry into that war would he meat impolitic and unwise •
he thought it wroth! he meal injurious if this country, which
rest ca repose after th strtin.gle in which it was engaged, shotra
i have the cup &slits! front its tics. An engagement,- therefore, in
that war um:id be uretly inipostible, and would prom with in.
I tohinble weight it; en the country. Arid should he not ask, as Inc
dial ask, if the M Misters were not cntitlol to approbation, by
; ronlong the itatisractot c. communication which they were enabled to
1 make. in the Specs h which had been submitted to the House, In
. asserting, that the yr. •..I of the state had been tort about by the
storm, but that her tinthers were right ; that she had pass.
I eel through that steno, and that she would gain her destined
I port in Karety% %Vas it not a matter of triumphto the l'll Misters, that
they couhl ask the; mil:test of their opponents if these statements
meld not he verities'.' °fell the interests of the connive, that which,
in his opinion, was the most important mind had suite-red the most
sew ere!y , was the ng.::itiltairal: this, of all others. had been ex_
! posed to the greatest titivation:. ; tied the distress of this interest
: was considerahly relic t td ; it was restored to prosperity, not front
any sudden politkal Lion, not by any emit-pal cause, but by the
I wealth, afitience. and resources of the cc:tin:try itself. The other
inter eats of the contort had prospered in equal proportion. Ile
scold take ft slight rts kw of the services conferred upon the coon.
to cur ng the lust eight years. They had remitted taxation to the
I totwent of twenty millions; in addition to this enormous reduction
they had tli'ectol a considerable reduction of the national debt.
Henn- the period er il.:-,e financial operatians, foreign nations had
' their iincial operatiens also ; but none of them mald be carried

I rfltritish
neinfaoir,pl,:ti:ll,:cialeß:ne,:cl..ttEeiwiet,ritillortriltd::::iler,tra:.:,:ittt,ll;:t.w,ii.n,:,,,,.:i:cr:ilt.z.twn.ll:nat.ichsti,°:‘,lticih„:.niii:sii:ri,tiivLiowii.:::erritptearttiarieccm.l:l:ikstelliotaintollcapdtintillt.al rf
without the :i.s.agtehnresiLuednhhtitrnua.de
Oirthee'Vrennnelft •tlh,ce•
fallen from the lofty ..1;. .:on en.ictore which she nate held
Europe ; that elle sea-. Ern tn. it ass true, but
was merely neon nnitepe-.'sat swea-fors. This he would dent
Ile would maintain ibet th.s t•oteitry
1- ll'a%at:..ce(uesin:::edsr;'epetono'wir-iierne.-.4t'thcl'eel:tittliamantaTaiPitar..:',`Pl!":m.:;:ea.'itti:::l4',lltt:litelth:italPeaP.etotilereupiwfneettir:4litguvlinll:a"ti:t4e‘t:''i...rete:tlicr'realtrit)tirsh.eri:jab:ngr:4
Spain, he did think that Pot 7rs should be cautious how they inter.
liteel with the provinces of other anions, espsciaiy those van 7.11
they were upon tem, of
other way of looking at iii.' questh.n. It was meetatifying tep
the lovers of freedom to .ec mill :one of their fellow.creosures Lurst.
I etia'n'ngeekaNsailub no°edinltl4.% :Ilion: at
heollTe: le! t.'tv't
las an eccouragenicia of rehellion. He was, Iltoseves. rejoi:ed
theeassenmelieng„
aaprtters6settlonf ttoi,tiTisfeserezdomcoun
m .
the case of our own c0:9M0%. how bittcrlv we erat i..td e:
conduct of other potions; acd our rer.duct should !awe: ti, th,with
dist we would net act in the manner of which we ern.; 'xinc4; a..i
the:nth:we, he would witintain, the conduct of ottr in istersJ
interfering. was mast corpvt, until these various States thin:selves
should come to mime thei,inn upon the stthject. 11. ith romeet r,
the situation of the Wes: India lelands, that Howse should cons',
der and weigh mos : it should consider that it wue:t
have to review various .Acta ot Parliament; Arts which corferrer"
and bestowed property, under the pcs.tive condition of the exist.
once of a :Slave Trade, and that persona possessed of such proper)
could rot he stripped of it. He was not the advocate of the :slave
Trade. Ile did pot start there in that character. Almos: the i:ts!
vote he had given in that House was fr the comrlere anel toted
abolition of that trade, and he cimsidered it to be the pride
of this country that she did tint allow it to exist any longer. In
the coneklermion of this attrition, the Ilsese wourd have also to
take into its consideration die Teem and seetteity of properly in this
country, as the property in the enlomes etasitenerally secured by
mortgages in this country. The House weed-have to make these
considerations, and they should beemthous thaeby their interfer-
ence they did not emu en invasion alpha private property. There
was another topic alluded to in the Speech, to which he would now
advert, a topic which was always mint fuourably received, and of
peculiar interest in that House, he meant his own country. It was
a melancholy reflection that that country, gifted as she was with a
fend:: soil, awl every advantage, should be, till a very late period
the scene of every die/leder. was ready to acknowledge the dia., tinguishad liberality of Parliament in every dismission respecting
her interests; he was ready to acknowledge that the splendid muni.
ficeoce of the ilsitish publie within these few years had done more
to plate the Engird, character in its true point of view, to endear it
to the people of Ireland, than any other circumstance whatever.
There was also another matter for which they were indebted to the
Lord lieu tenant ; he meant the sitting of the Magistrates in public
Sessions, by which means they were.prerented from doing justice
or, as it might be, mitting njustice in their own houses. The
com i
sentiments of the people were now altered,. and they had the gene-
ral impreartion that justice would he now door them. These were,
he thought, benefits which no op/ could deny. There was still a
desideratum which he wished tooth/supplied—the means of giving
employment to the bulk of the people. And he stunt also affirm,
that there was another measure which should be carried into effect,
without which all that had been dime would turn oat--he would not
lay to be as nothing, but it certainly would not be vitally or rife-
totally useful--he meant relieriona liberty. (Hear, hear.) What,
he would ask, made England triumph ? It was the union of her
people, and her equal lave dispensing equal rights and proteetith
to all. But in Ireland it unfortunately happened that the majority
of the people saw in theme laws only bars to shut nut NIB them this
rights and enjoyment of the Constitution. (Hear, hear). He was
aware that all these advantages' were cot to be procured at ones,
even by the able and talented persons at present composing the
Irish Government. There was another circumstance which would
be productive of peettliar advantage to Ireland—hr meant the in..
trodnetion of British capital • and within these last six or eightmonths, he was happy to know that considerable capital had
been remitted to that country ; and from such a circumstance he
would expect more advantage than he would from volumes, (Ilan.
The British speculator would epread his capital over that country if he
were Insured the equal and full enjoyment of thou blessings which 14
own constitution bestowed upon blot. Ile must again repeat, that
all the advantages conferred upon Ireland would not be essentially
useful, If the great measure to which he had alluded were not as-
✓ented to. No benefit could be conferred upon her—none of those
blessings with which the people of England were acquainted; feet
her people would be divided. The limourable Member concluded
by saying, that he was fully conscious of the great importance and
force of the matters to which he had called the attention of the
House ; but he would ill discharge his duty if he did rot impress
their value and importance. Ile would return his thanks for the
kindness with which he had been heard.
Mr. BROUOHAM rose instantly, ar.d addressed the !louse to
the following effect:—Mr. Speaker, I am induced to present my-
self so early to your notice, in consequence of the observations I
heard fall from the !lon. Gentleman a ho has seconded the Address
in answer to his Majesty's speech. Respecting the epecch itself,
am, I believe in the situation of the great majority of the Menthol
of this HOUSE: net haring receive/ estrynopy of it, tbd possessing no
other knowledge of its content* than I have obtained from having
heard it read from thr. Chair; for, as to the hearsay that sintha
me in the course of the morning through various chamois of leteta
ligenoe, partly in the English newstarpera .and partly in the fo.
tragn journals (hear), which had anticipated nearly as accurately.
Wm as the other, what the epee* would contain (hear, hoe,'
I disregarded is ; and I wish that ost the present occasion, (and the
rather on this than on any other Oreeminn,) considering the greeter
Imporance of the crisis and the greater magnitude of the topics die.
cussed in the speech delivered by the Hon. (lentlenum, that more
now than ever we should have recurred to the old established Frac.
timed' the !louse (hear, hear), and that vie should rot hare been
called upon suddenly, and in estate of ignorance or misir.fermarion„
to do that in haste which amounts substantially to commit-Mg our-
selves to certain propositions which we have had no oppfnunity of
examining. (Hear, hear, hew.) But, as it is known that were tt
proposed to adjourn the further consideration of the Address, the
motion would stand very little chance of being acceded to by the
House; and as, by the Hoo. Seconder (for I hare not heard the
lion. Mover), I ant renuired on the one hang to join in Sollit ar-
knowledgisnents of gratnude, and concur in certain extremities of
great delight which have crossed the lips of the IlonoursVe
Gent, involving doctrines against which I shall enter my pebit:,
and unqualified protest, so also, on the other hai.d, I am besot
to state that there have been topics introduced by the Hon. Ono
which, whether I regard the occasion on which his apoecli has bees
delivered, or the situation in which he stands, do,lown, carry tone
welcome
htooPerulteh"lrelaatLentginth It
ais
mthe
consistent,d intelligible, loigif Litchis, Nerd
in which they have one of to thwart another, and thus beer
jellinuniFfnienti..th4ywastem of government, (Hear, hear, hear,) nuts system
neutralised by theirown effOrts, or perhaps superseded by a superior
and more powerful influence at home, (cheers,) but a system no-
der which the inhabitants of that long-oppreeeed country will lied
wbuicthwiihictnhheohrfurithd:iheeoranraigonwhaslt:
atthlndleCU.tErownitte:llniobrltnen: initthoht.oet/.ljuadr
ofwcoretnar:ncottiht:itittiti.:;fl,
known to them, as it was forcibly and eloquently, but not more
forcibly and eloquently than truly, expressed I), the Iloneuribli
tieml.man, by "the bars that shut them out front the enjopecie
of its blessings." (Cheers.) I trust that at last we shall have to
hail the day when that great measure is likely to be carried, "'hie.
in itself, would not be more snail of justice to the people of Ire-
land than in its consequences it would prove a blessing to the (al-
pire at large. I trust, therefore, that we shall see it brupghr for-
ward in the only way in which it is likely to be attended with ef se.
by being honestly patronised by his Majesty's government. (Cheers
Sir, on several other topics It Limy painful duty to dissent as 'ditch
as in these allusions to Ireland I heartily agreed : and I confect.
when I regard the aspect of foreign Aides, I hardly know to whet
place I am to cast may eyes, or what page of the history et
recent transactions I am to consult, in order to discover on whet
England ought to felicitate herself on the events of the last year
(cheers), mingled, at least, with so cursory an expression of ere
as that which fell from the Honourable gentleman, in perfect am-
enity, I have DO doubt, but neutralized io its effect, I was toffy
to lied, by what the lion. Gent. thought At so quickly to follow it
Stvelle,a with.
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fhs aitenspeech the
lion.
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tothetb;
me what Adleirrid only is inserted, in which we sit
called to the sm. on the line of policy tic
'was adv to puristic, with ref to the to war in Spain
Good how can we nor. hi The polity of
lhii
Minieters may have been ri been wrong. We
may be well in being OM of a war ch it 'solid hit ve
much worm for us to Cave been defemed, or left ptvhsps to car?
on alone, the very object for which we embarked in it having
long since in the power of the meaty. Hut, because we Sr. •
one denree better off than we should have been in the sot.: .
reit-able state of things, end order the greatest of all adze.

the conquest of Spainity France, after our own defmt la e:•.'
ins to prevent it, and lxiog tint Ica to continue an abr.:,
less state of Ito.tility—whin the object for•ti Inc) r r
was frustrated,—is that, I say, Sir, a groncd on which ti.is

to be re.o,uired to congratulate his illaYesty ? (Cheers.) It 4".•'.
been wine that we did not go to war, hitt I am not now ili•
that question. It may have lwrn luckr, thong ro man cr
foreseen what would hare liappvned. I:ut it is surely the Le: •
all topics for congratulation ; and of all times that could have h 4•4
selected for aura a congsatulat kn. this surely is the most ramvir
dinar . (l beers.) It is itier4,lible, when we sa. whst has takettylac.
sedum we remember that the invasion of Spain was held by sora
have been rs justificathin for us to arm, and at anv rite was by tr 4".
considered as an event that warranted a 4grong rcilionstracce ra i" •
pint, though his 31:4j:sty's 3linisiers did not think fit ht der,'
from that courses!rirt I-4 utrality and -;ivt. obcd'r 4; to
combined despots leagued against the litierti •.4 of riart,,•..rd
bean, and when we have billet witnevicd the actual csinroirt
Spain by l'tare z, without iffiest:ring to prevent it:
that was the hne of policy we ought to hrv-e followed, 1
not now arguing; but I say, that this should be the
selected for us solemnly to proclaim ourselves harpy 4i,
contented at the thole result (hear, herr, hzttt). that

should declare ourselves, glad Weft Us`lC it is no ore (elsrenls

II proposition I should lianiTy bare credited, unless I had heard
words of the Address. Ll:iud dicers.) Let us reflect, s:ir,
I has happened since we t met. What has it beco ? ''.
conquest of Spain by France ! (Ilene, hear, hear.) Orly lb•
France 11114 obtained military and complete
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dent and powerful monarchy! (('beers.) Only that thk evert is
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eemauly rithon• rem:l:ironer ! (Chest's) that fret:, to avert
upieb• wkcs the danitir of its accomplishment was more distant,
and este( hati it happened, less important to .s, we waged the
greatest set the MOM et ponsice of all oar wars, except the last,
eadrbicit we manfully and victoriously waged—victonottsly, I re-
pea, bee: 1110... though the tietret we strove to frustrate was partially
amoinploi.es!, yet still victoriously, as to example, elect, and tl.e
immediate consequences of the snuggle. (Hear, hear, hear.)—
To avert th;s crept it was, in a great measure, that the vast ex.
proses of the 1:..e war were incurred, and so much of the bloodshed
ocessionre it; which it was characterised. But it is needle's to re.
'ted you of these facts, if our burdened state up to this moment
would allow us to forget them ; for I am not now talking of the
policy we taro pursued tf e oretsion is gone by. But whether
the disastn us s fleet night not have been averted is another ques-
tion. It a t °chi have been averted will mit war, we have a right
to impure o(currenee to the policy of his 3lntery's Ministers.
/fit mule it evaa a subject of regret, epecially as the present
state of t'n.. Coli•inent :drools matter of serious and well:gemnded
alarm tot-. urwirg from the late struggle in hpain, over which
the lion. t icleictuao who has preceded me seems to have passed
with such «Moline unconcern. Ile considers the result as per.
fectly decis cof the excellence of the police. With him, there
was no chi:, co ((f success e.tainst the aggression of France. The
Spaaiares allowed themselves to be subdued ; and, in his opinion,
this skews that they either wanted the desire of iihrrty, or were not i
prepared to make the necessary sacrifices for its prewervalltm ; in
Lae, that thee were not stiqiciertly attached to vie Constitution.
The arguniebt cuts two ways, end the Ben. Gentleman who used
it was not awrry prohr.hly tti it it would carry him further than he
intentied. 1 should like then to know, Sir, if the Spaniards are not
against he restei:ed government? ( Cheers.) I should like to
know if the ft hogs and opinions or the r earl... of Spain were not de.
eitledly favourable to that Constitution, which the holy Allies, by
their instrument, France, here taken from her? (Cheers.) I
should like to know if it were not tor this same strong feeling,
which he thinks events proved not to have existed, why France
still keeps an army of to or 70,1 tot men in Spain? (Cheers.) The I
lion. Gentleman will find bint.rif involved in a dilemma. Either I
the Spadini.; loved their t ',l:A(oll6nm and are now only retrained
by force from adopting it again; or France is the conqueror of
Spain, and holds it as a conquered territory. (( hems.) (Inc or j
the other of these comlusions is inevitable. The latter of them is
obviously against the eundamentel policy cf this country, hostile to its
"latcresta, dangerous to its safety, contrary w its honour, aced direct)y
to the teal., of the avowals of Prince. and to the profession of hdth
of our most aedulous Administration; who, in the last act the
fink Or trat, I know not which I should call it. performed in
the face ofishsgusted Europe last simmer, avowed their unlimited
belief in the declaratiota of the French hlinisay, that they could
not intend to keep possienion of Spain, (Hear, hear,l.and thaxpro-
jeas of conquest, ambition, and aggrandisement, termed no part
of their objects. (Low' chreri.s But if thatts not the alternative
the lion. Gentleman will cheese, then he is reduced to admit that
the Spaciate.s were attached to the Constitution which, though
wanting leaders, resourzta, end the countenance of other noun.
Ones, they resolutely supported, and, under other circumstances,
*Aria perhaps, have supported triumphantly. (Chetwa.) They
offend the want of a well orgatised army and efficient navy.
They might have received much permanent service, by the repeal
of the Fore** Enlistment Bill. Illtar, hear.) Theso alma might
have prevented thasuceess of their invaders, in th. 4 struggk of
must unequal fore.. At least, then. the Honourable Gentleman is
Teloced to Ibis dikinma; but, perhaps there limy he mime truth
io both the altenurives. I believe there was. I believe that in
their feelings and principles the Srudards were sincerely and air-
kit 'olout - and re.

what we a% .(11t1 r. , ,!a sok,ect of cangrahtit.tion to this j into:nits of Cafholir and Moitizehical itetdo. Certain mule,
country ant! our govcrnment ; (hear, Irear,) azd this is what the rhoweteo, hoe occurred toil: t:t.it a hieb was tried, whirls I shall nut
Honourable Gentleman descrit's as Oar trollina the balance of Ea.! cffsru tease, end win.oi I shull li:Salial by stating, with the utmost
rope. governing the des:inks of natincs. :oil esesning ear pus. I satisfaction, that no I tri.i.it arm assists: in its overthrow, nor Bri,
rOSCa as absolutely as we ever die. our history as a nation. ( Hear, 1 tish tfcastirc in its destruction. If we had not Mooted a neutral
hear, hear.) As to :'1:-. et:a:tit:vs:l of :swit.•::::-.ntl and Ccrmany, if i course of policy, we omit have ad% a:iced a.-ms and antmunition—
any man dotihrs tiro the conspiracy is tarred on as mire!, iii the 1 money—all the sinews of war.: nry, more, we most have infused
latter:or in ere former, I,l.him refer to V. irtemberg, where a di. ; into the people allthose rillretions, qualities, arid feelings, 'without
rect mandate was gis,? to %oppress a pnrtie :18r journ:;l, which, in , which the former would have been of no earthly utility. I ask,
obedience to that trianiime, was suppressed arcenEngly. T:tere is then, if it would have been wise, on our na.-t, to make such en
no per of Germsoy where an editor drre to "'oldish my article j atter.rpt? 1 contend it smolt' not have been so. The Ihmourible
Ude' to give unontr,c.—not to hin own sovereign,—l should not' and Learned Gentleman (lie. Brougham) has connected :his goes-
comPloln of that ; it rrotfiri be a measure of Inters! or municipal ! tint, of Spain with that of our policy to her South American Co-
law with which I lit mid not interttre,—but to the Czar of A: use's_ i lonics t and he thinks it inconceivable how this country can be
vy, the King of !'lance. or the Emperor or .Irreois. pc acrs foreign I prepay:it to raise a banner tor them, and not foe Spain. Why,
to their own slate. its natural citron:sr. woli whom it con have no Sir, I *ill tell the honourable and Learned Gentleman, that al-
alliance or coon; ;ohm but by that conspiracy which I deopurios, I thouf:h we do not enter into the internal quarrels of Spain, yet we
anti witch has no ether right of inte-treerne than we should may do so as between certain colonies and the mother country,
ter:e to make a rNuisition to the French government to taking their relative situations into a full and impartial consider.
stop the puldiosiion of any journal at Paris. (Hear, hear.) its alien. In fact, there never was a period when foreign powers did
I sal afraid, an!! how', her neck to the yoke of Austria. An not exercise a judgment In disputes under the circumstances I have
Austrian army refrainer will in the Southern part of the Peninsula. stated. We,
,however, were in a state of amity with Spain while
The scenes of horror perpetrated in the Northern part daily re- In a distracted condition, and it would be a very unsound exercise
curring make the blood curdle. There despotism *hews itself in of discretion in us, if we hastily recognised the right oilier Colonies
its mint hoteful a-nes, indicting tortures on those. souls it could to make themselves independent of her, whatever we might
j neither bribe nor blend. (Hear, hear.) Afterthe tenure of three do towards the encouragement of their commerce. But still it
whole years spent in solitary confinement, some of the suffaers might happen, after a lapse of time, that what it would hove
i were led to their fate, a hen their nearest rehires were appealing been injustice to grant would then be a greater injustice to deny,
for mercy, at the distance of several weeks' journey. In other in. without looking to Spain either as a mitigated democracy or a king.
stances, the orders wore actually given to rr.nit the capi al part ly despotism. If we were prone to deal by others as we were dealt
of the sentence for twenty, fifteen, or ten years of impruionme.nt. to by them, we might htive pursued a different course ; we might
This commutation of the punishment was of course known to the have looked to the loss of our own American colonies; but instead of
authorities, hut yet they soldered in unhappy female to plod her doing an. we acted towards others as we would wish them to act by
weary and afflicted way, but too late to catch the last sigh of her us ;—we had for OW guide that truest maxim in moral as well as
unfortunate relative ; in fact, they seemed to withhold this charge, political wisdom, and we did by others as we would wish them to
in order to add to these tortures they had already inflicted upon do by us. It was said by the Uotiourable and Learned Gentlemen
I her and so ninny others. This, however, was only sr sample of (Mr. Brougham) that if we recognised the independence of South
i what was errs, day doing in that conquered and degraded country. America at any future period, we could be only following the ex-
II have heerd it said, and I believe it to be the fact, that torture is ample set to us by others ; but I must say that this subject w4s
not abolished, though the rack, properly so called, may be. And mentionedononths ago in some of the state papers which were laid
how do I she, that I have rime grounds for this belief ? I shall before the table of this }loose. I hold it as an indisputable prin.
j tell you, Sir:—tAc dudgeof Police, if not satisfied with the answers ciple that no foreign power should interfere by force between the
.of the accused, has the power of increasing his punishment, from colony and the parent state, and that the parent state, if able, is
an airy room two dungeon, and from that again to a dark, a damp entitled to recover hack her colonic.. But when I say this I ant
and dreary cell—from wholesome food to the coarsest bread and notblind to the physical impracticability which exists op thart
foul want; ha may continue all thin for ten or twenty days, or for of Spain to succeed in such an attempt. But while I know and emit
salon a period as the obstinacy or the &meaty of his victim will all this, I must ask, would it be kinder fair, or indeed just to pain,
1
ena!ile him to endure it. This was the manner in which the eon. to aid her coloniesagainst her when she was torn by division at home,
fcs.sion of guilt was estorted ; and talk then of the non.existence of and when hut Monarch could not fairly be said to be in the full pea.
torture !--it is a refinement upon it. In one ease this conduct was session of his kingdom ? On the contrary, we would have acted
pursued fur a term of nearly sheet years. tune • there were most unkindly, and, I willeeld, most unjustly, If We did not afford
who pink underftivin'e who did nor; but trucl*Twme7c the means an opportunity to the mother state of retrieving her affairs at home,
taken to induce persona to inculpate innocent individuals, many of and setting her internal condition, before we admitted or recognized
*ham were their own relatives. This--this, 1 say, was done in the right in her colonies to erect themselves into independent statee.
Italy ; and done too by the Holy Allies. This, however, While Spain was in her struggles we should make no inroad on her
need not be dore in Spain ; there they have a ready-made colonies, new improperly aid :hem to do it. And if, as has been
agent to suit their views—there they have Ferdinand the stated, we have lost an opportunity which was afforded us, I inn
Beloved !—the beloved indeed ! There they here one of whom glad we have only interfered, if oar conduct can be so described ;
I may say. and of whom I believe every honest man in Europe or but, I say, I am glad we have only interfered when Spain was is
out of it will say the same,—that he is one more acceracil, execrated, the possession of herself, so far as her Sovereign was at her head,
despised, and contemner:, than any other in the world ; there they and might choose what measures he thought proper. lam not t•
1 have a man who has the blood of Rirgo upon his head, sod the mu an opinion upon what those measures arc, or have been, or
torturing of women to constitute his greatness and his baseness at ought to be; all I. mean to say is, that we have not sanctioned the
the same time. In the House, and in this country, I know there slightest act which could be construed into a breach of that !inan-
ely feelings of abhorrence against the armed despots of Europe; lily to which we have all along moot religiously adhered. So far
though I equally well know that their expression is restrained by then as his MajcAy's Speech refers to this subject, I should hope it
many : and as for mrsclf. whit I said of them in the MSC thaples would even please the Hon. and Learned tientlernan (Mr.
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dently attached ti the nstitition, out .witlits. .eadcrs re
sources, and kit to the oselves ; though willing to risk :li for their
Constitutioa, they were beaten down, and are still kept down by
nr.nee. Their country has been subdued by France—by that
worst and moat dangerous conquest of all others—a subjugation of
tbeir civil liberty, as well to of their national independence.. (Hear,
bean) The success of the conspiracy of tyrants, in the conquest
Spain. is lull of daniers to us, of no remote or doubtful nature.
Yet the lion. Oentle.nan. to my utter astonishment, asserts that at
ne fanner period in the history of this country, was it ever in a
more commanding title, nor did it ever more firmly hold in its
hinds the balance of power. glow is this proud eminence of
Greatness shewn ? llere again the Honourable (Icntleinan is fixed
on the horns of a dilemma. Either this country does possess this
itditlCTlCe, and did not choose to exert it, or this coUntry does not
ind in the commanding attitude desCribed by, the Honourable
Oentkman. tiles,, liter.) Either we do hold the balan'e, and
we allowed.it to bend on one aisle—we suffered liberty and national
independence to kick the beam, and the despots triumphed, by our
consent, and with our secession, or we had nothing whateverto do
with it—we were permitted to exercise no infiutstice ; on the result
we were shut out of their deliberations; we were denied a voice in
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three scats ago. I feel telly justified in repeating now. The soils
are sown with the same seeds; the actors are the s-tote, and they
are not likely to end their career until they people Europe wit!:
their victims. We should consider the very embarrassing Sims.
Pon in which our late policy has placed us. The House and the
Government seem quite insensible to what happens to Old Spain,
while quite alive to what occurs in New Spain. ' They seem quite'
careless as to the parties or powers who interfere with the mother
country; they forges that our old rival, France, now holds her in
fall possession ; they forget ;he line of sea, of coast, of which by
that possession she becomes the master; they have no apprehen.
sion of any invasion of Ireland, while misgoverned and distracted:
let Fiance rule Spain and he possessed of her coast ; what, they say,
do we care for thet l'--are we afraid of France?—that France whom
we have beaten bt fire ? Tree, we did beat France before; Lut I say
we had now better avoid an expenditure of one hundred
and seventeen millions a year, which that war cost us, ex.'
elusive of the immense waste of human' blood. Ministers,
I believe, feel the difficulties of the ease; though some of their
adherents think them of a very trivial nature; and who was in the
right, time alone will tell. With respect to New Spain, how-
ever, mew • that our honour, and our interest, and our

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Brougham) opposite. About ten months ago, it cannot be forgot-
ten, that it was said, in reference to the condition of Spain and her
colonies, that "time, circumstances, and the force of events sub-
stantially decided the event," and his Majesty's Government hate
since acted upon that opinion. Since then .Spain was restored to
the substantial possession of herself; and the Speech from the
Throne now pays, that his Majesty should have an unfettered
power to act on that subject as circumstances may require. And
the Hon. and Learned Oentlemito (Mr. Brougham) knows as well
as I do the me tning of that to be. the power of rejecting all °ter-
tures, and refusing to join in all compacts where our interests might
suffer in the slightest degree. It is but right that his Majesty
should hold the power, and decide as to his judgment may seem
most advirable. (blear, bear, hear.) Under all the circum-
stances, a question of such magnitude should be retained in our
hands, and which, without entertaining the subject of Constitu-
tional or Monarchical Spain. or as to that conclusion to which she
must almost necessarily come--(llearthear, hear)--without, I say,
at all entering into those questions, we are bound not to act between
her and her colonies without the most ye and mature delibera..
tion. In addition to this, all I can say is, a proposition in.
been Made, an answer has been given, hick is 'lsm on the rose ka
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their councils; we were called In only on one occasion, wen . em ty persons say ts __. —mem, hem _ _o given,
the broker was wanted—wben the bill was to be paid—when the character, are all concerned, and our evade too—yes, our trade Madrid ; and the time may soon come-.._, his Ililjegtrli Govern.
money was wanted to defray the costs of their iniquitous purpose. awakes them, and they say to all that our honour and character meet may speak more explicitly on the subject. This topic has
(Rear, hear, bear.) This is the second dilemma, which, perhaps, an involved. Our :mite is not to be lightly touched ; let not the been so much the most prominent in the speech from the Throne,
leee the former, is hes a dilemma than at lira it apprise. Cu Spanish felonies be remedy treated ; approach them not. But that I could not refrain from putting it forward eh the very little
ceder examination, wasps it will be found that both sides may how, I ask in the name of consistency, can we so interfere in the which I but to say. With respect to the situation in which we
be consistent. We may have befriended the Holy Alliance, and peacetime of the Colonies, while we must not breathe a word upon stand, I mean as England stands to Europe, and as the Old World
we may base little influence with them ton. The members of the the barbarous atrocities perpetrated and perpetrating in Old Spain ? stands to the New, also in relation to England, I neither court nor
Froth Cabinet, or is jealous Freese!, ct,t,ri,-, may be inclined to It is really inconceivable to me how any man, or number of men, assume the praises lavished by the lion. Seconder of the Address,
allow us i 3 future only to shine with diesinished splendor. They can be found to argue in such a manner. I say the Colonies be- while I equally regret the censure of the Hon. and Learned Memo
have decimal that England shell no longer be sawed to rank as bog de jam to Old Spain—to Ferdinand, as King of Old Spain. beg (Mr. Brougham). England, I say, le now able to meet any
a Out, or even as a second rate power, reed that site must be con. It was to relieve him from a Constitution he did not like that enemy, as much, perhaps, or more so, than she ever was } her
test in future to take her place in the deletion is which nature has France armed. We said nothing to prevent that, and yet we in- opinions are as much respected as they ever were, her interference
placed her, and in which she has consented to place Herself: Are the teetered to protect the Colonies, enacting Constitutions to as much courted, and her influence as high and as commanding as
dangers, teen, which we have to fear distant and doubtful ? Cr. which he must have even more decided objections. Iles at any former period of her history. I will not say England is now
queumaahly not. The foremost we have to cant' d with is the Ferdinand not • eight, de jam to take them back ? I say he has; in every particular in the same stateehe was in other times. Her state,
success of tie conspirators, commonly called the if sly Allier. but I am met by tidying de fun be has no control over them. like the! of all other nations, has sherd: the qualltiesand elements
(Cocas.) I poly give them the name they have assumed then. We were told, mine time ago, that" times, eireuntstances, and the of all society have changed, and we mest in sons degree change with
mhos, with*t, I can assure the Hihht Honours:We Seemeam, course of events" were to point cut to us the line of conduct we them. Wehrle been taunted by the Hon. arid Learned Gent. (Mr.
failing
we Whirs had meads spas iatlumeha oildch we did not matte wogs to gmassum but I say, that _before the Francis mesa dm Lseugbain) with all the" vice* of therhanatiestioite Gresham
failing in the least inclined. foe Sty own (part to repeat the melee- Bidassos, the Constitutiona Spain was at much fixed and settled, :'mates—we have been taunted with making treaties, and forming
ere, rah wheat they have thought it becoming to adorn their Ali- and agreed to. as were those of the South American provinces, compacts with despotic Monarchs; but I desire the Hon. anal
nose. clowever, as it will please him better, I will when we sent Consuls to than, to protect our node as it wastermed. Learned Gentleman to look back to the periods of King William
cell them by my own apperation. These compile:ors, Imy thee, Not only that, but Russia. by a turmal act, recognised the (eonstie and Queen Anne, when alliances were made with the most
are our most uangerous enemies; but they are " trim in tbeie lotion of Spain three or four years before--even that Constitu- despotic Monarchs. Their policy never was criticised, though it
generation." Tbough their eiv.igna are 'madly, they wsll not cut. tion which was since so much disliked by the beloved Ferdinand differed so very widely front our own. We live with those Powers,
rage the feelings of this nation fully. Thisis the corner-done oftheir and his friend the Autocrat. flow, then, I ask, are these incram and we must commune with them. We all exist in a state of
policy. Though we are bound to keep the peace in recognizances sidewise to be reconciled ? I trust these colonies may never again society together, and though the elements of each tray differ, there
of Ree,ooo,oool. sterling (cheers), yet there are insults that will in. be under the dominion of Spain, and lam sure I speak the meth is a something in the construction of our nature, out wants,
dux him who is bound to keep the peace, to forfeit his roengni- flints of every honed and liberal men when I express that hope, be our interests, in the very tone and frame of society, which forces
unees, and so there are outrages that may be offered to a country the policy 01 Russia, or Prussia, or even England herself, what it us to hold communion with them. If we did commune and act
Imam hear) ; insults that may be given to a nation (hear, hom)— may—whether Ferdinand be a constitutional or a despotic King. with them, let us only look back for ten years, and we shall see
injuries that may be inflicted on the honour and feelirgs of a brave This question, however, is now, I believe, very nearly disposed of. that if we were not leagued with despots, if despots they must be
and generous people, that will induce them to forfeit their recegnie (Hear, hear.) Late events justify me in saying so, and I feel it as called, we never had been able to over-ride that (esteems of tyrants,
Meet (Cheers.) We might he driven to say, " Let the debt a pride and a pleasure, that they have originated with, es I trust who, as it were, united all others in himself. ( Hear, hear, from
go where it may, and public credit he maintained as it can, we can they will be completed by Englishmen. (Cries of hear, hear.) the Ministerial benches.) Now as to the trials alluded to by
bear these things no longer, and we will not." The conspirators, On this subject, indeed, there can be hut one common feelingof the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham), I know
therefore, will do nothing suddenly that may arouse us. They joy, of thankfulness, and gratitude diffused through its all, froth that some trials for a conspiracy took place at elihm. The
woil accustom US to their sway gradually, till at length, whefi we the diffusion of the Message of the President of the United States. wimeesee on that occasion may have all been as false
@redeem to throw it off, we ;hall find that we have lost the golden That Message contained the avowal of a bold and manly policy, as they are dmeribed, and the Judges as corrupt; but while see
oppoteunity ; and without self-respect, which to an Individual is becalming a free and powerful nation. I trust we shall find amongst may lament that. are we to break up altogether with Aussie ?
every thing, and to a people all but every thing, we shell be driven us no such mean-spirited pride as not to follow such an example. Are we to give her up because of these blemishes in her mode of
to an unequal, acid therefore unsuccessful struggle, with those I trust we shall be found cordially uniting with America in holding trial, and at the same time altogether to forget the curl:NS Intilfra
whom, at the outset, we might triumphantly have opposed.— fiat by our inetitutions—in our support of freemen struggling for If we do, what other power is to fill up the imp ? I believe, upon
(Hear, bear, hear.) By their conduct to other countries, we liberty, and keeping within bounds that Unholy Alliance which the subject of the trials at Milan, that the Hon. and Learned Gm-
sissy clearly judge what they will do to our own, should was spreading so much calamity over Europe. The Emperor denim has been misinformed ; for I know, that after the two chief
they have the power. Dinner the last session. 1 stated to Alexander, in one of his recent state papers, tells Ferdinand, that conspirators were convicted on their own confession, the Emperor of
the Right lion. Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that I heard of stye- if he (Ferdinand) will assist him (Alexander) in keeping him a Austria extended mete to them, though not without 3 long and in-
ral instances of interference by the conspirators in the Internal mem despot, that he will in turn assist his brother despot in regaining factual entreaty. If any undue severity be imputed to Austria, Idd
sures of some of the whom governments of the Continent. I the South American provinces ; but there the Autocrat, though really believe the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to be misinformed ;
stated several instances which I mow think we all bare reason to fairly stating his wishes, is reckoning altogether without his host, and I can tell him that whin perhaps he does not know', or has
believe are 'Minded in fact ; but I recollect in particular one in. Ido not believe that such al attempt would be rashly made, though omitted to state, that by the law an that country. sentence cannot
stance, oft semen: of the singularity of the reply of the Right 1 have too much reason totem that arms and ammunition, and trea- be executed without confession of the crime; while here we hang
Honourable Gentleman, she panelled my expression in a nue too, will be elsewhere secretly supplied. I believe too that men every day,—not perhaps every day,—but we hang them pro-
peculiarly epigrammatic style. I Meted that the least part bodies of intriguers will be sent over with money ; that the pried- testing their innocence, While we are satisfied with the proofs of
of my bit r,pation, if true, was much too much. The Right bead will be their ready allies • and I must repress my fetes, that their guilt. We may believe the Austriarisystein to be abetted ;
800. Gendeinan did not give me that plain, and, perhaps, more if resistance to this be not made in the first instance, that we may but surely it is not suiting the ease fairly, without stating that
business-like and satisfactory answer, which he might have done, have to contemplate • race of events similar to those which have so confession is as necessary as conviction with regard. to earretng the
by saving there was not the smallest fountlatien for my esetement, recently taken place in Old Spain. With respect to her recent con- sentence into executiost. It is not, however, my duty, nor do I
or thit bp such information bed been received by his Majesty's I tidos, one thing I wish had been said. I wish we had been told feel it my inclination, to vindicate their Courts, their Judges, or
Ministers. lie did not tell the House, that haring a very weU lof her dislocated situation ; of her deficient, perhaps her too their policy all I can sea is,•that if others judge of us by the
paid Minister on the spot (Switzerland), whine salary we on this ; sensitive—though, the world must admit, her honest and well- same critical rules as the Hon. ante Learned Gentleman does
tide of it had in vain endeavoured to reduce, his Majesty's Go-I meaning government. I fear that forms were debated rather Austria, what would they say ? How would they not be disgusted
eminent had received no advice' from this Minister on the oubjeet I than substances ; and unhappily the result has been, that in such a at all the atrocious eulogies which have been passed for months
of my question. No. The Right lion. Gentleman replied, that , crisis die authors of the Constitution were its victims. As to those upon a barbarous murderer the other day executed at Hertford,
the lent part of my lesser statement was much more than his 1 persons who have left that country, to avoid witnessing a repetition who, though fully convicted, died almost with the protestation of
Majesty's liovernment knew. (Hear, hero.) The accident of this of scenes disgusting and barbarous in the extreme, I can only say, innocence in his mouth ? With respect to Switzerland, I can only
epigrammatic construction reminded rise of the nature of the ques. I their highest honour is, that their hands are unsullied and their say that my answers at a forester period were given with the most
tino, sad now I find, that not enly the greater matt bet the whole reputations unstained by the slightest breath of suspicion. They perfect sincerity ; and when the Hon. and Learned Gentleman said
of lem statement was true. (Hear, hear.) Mytorn information, I had no resources to save Spain, and only little to maim in themselves. that I should now have so much better information on the subject
without a resident Minister, was more accurate and ample than , They did all they could in a dreadful crisis—all that the want of than I had before, because I paid a Larger commiseion for obtain.
that of the Right lion. Gentleman, with an agent officially , organization, system, and treasure could enable them to do. And ing it, I can only tell him that I have reduced it by hearing one-
seated there and munificently rewarded. (Hear, hear, hear.e h hope that wherever they go they will find the sympathy and half. (Hear, and a laugh.) But to the question :I do not believe
Though from my envoy I have not heard again of the proposal of support of every honest man. We who have squandered thou. there is the shadow of a foundation for the statement that an Aus.
subjecting Switzerland to an Austrian Prince, yet it is now 'beyond sands on mher occasions should not be slow to assent them, and do trian Prince was to be placed over the government of Switzerland.
doubt that a requislion was sent into that country to put down their some justice to their transcendent talents. (Hear, hear.) I beg It was stated that conspiracies were said to exist in seersl of the
free press, and compel the cantons to send forth the emigrants who medals for having detainee: the (louse so long (hear, hear); but I Cantons, and all I can say is, that if the accusatione were true, the
had taken refuge amongst them, and thus turn Switzerland, hi. ' felt so strongly on some points noticed in the speech of the Hon. remonstraoces which followed them were just. I believe, in fact,
therm illustrious as the asylum of persecuted men, suffering far I lientleman who seconded the Address, that I can only say, next to that the Hon. Gentleman and myself were both melted, and that
conscience sake in religion and polities. by Imperial mandate, into the pleasure of hewing his conclusion is, that of entering my pro. the stories in circulation (for we both had them from the some
a mere province of the despots, front which every rehire should be ! test against the greater part of what went before it. (Laud cries of quarter) originated with persons there, who wrote Constitutions
with every motivation of eireumatarces, and m some cues " Hear, hear," followed the conclusion of the Hon. and Learned and sold them to any purchaser; but who, being disappointed in
their treatment was much worse even than it would hare been under Member's speech. e their own projects, then wish to bring the enlister Powers upon
the accomplishment of the infernal object of their persecutor. Mr. CANNING.—I nuercommence by assuring the House that them. As to Germany lam no champion of its Constitution, or
(Bear, bear.) The press also has been put down under eireume it is not my intention to occupy them for any length of nine. I of its cumbrous Diet, which I think most Inconvenient in many
Il laces as revolting, because as unnecessary. Not content with put. had heard there was an intention of moving an amendment to the circumstances, but particularly as it allows a corporate interference
tangdown. these journals which were principally devoted to pro- Address, though by some other than the lion. and Learned Mem- with an independent state; but this again OCCUes because that in.
:migrate political truth, and others in which it was mixed with the bar who hds just sat down ; but as that is not the Case, and as no dependent state, with others like it, compose the Diet. I think this
ordinary articles of daily intelligence, the conspirators have even impediment is thrown in the way of the usual practice of die House, inconvenient ; but if we me to abandon our connection with other
down the works that were mere repositories of scientific discus- I shall only say a few words on those points which it would be die. states, because of such errors or absurdities, we must find out come
nes, againstwhich no objection could exist, except it is that the respectful in me, both to the Hon. and ;seamed Member and the others with whom to live, and where are they to be found ?
v try' nature of discussion and the designs of the conspirators cannot House, not to notice. Whatever may have fallen from the Hon. To what terra ineogaiM must we travel ? The notion is absurd.
m lure together. (Hear, hear.) The finances of a country may Seconder of the Address should not be taken in disjointed parts To leave to otber countries the right which we reserved for our.
elfish as they have been sometimes painted ; • people may be but, in fairness, to the full tenor of what is embraced in the King's selves—that of regulating their internal institutions, was the course
Sell employed and comfortably sustained ; there may be no misery Speech. I entirely agree with what has been stated by the lion. which it was the duty of this country to pursue, and which it had
h and no war raging without—but they neyertheless are the Member, that this is not the period fee discussing the great gem- hitherto pursued successfully. Our proper conduct would be
is:tyre of an unhappy countr. who live under the dictation of a tion of the policy which we have pursued towards Spain. That found in endeavouring to cultivate an amicable intercourse with
5.1 foreigmeompiratc.rs, null are compelled to hunt out of their policy was approved of by a majority in this House, whose number all countries, and. not in endeavouring to stimulate all flatlets to
(erriu these wen are proscribed by surrounding despots.— I need not say. I think I might add, we had the full concurrence war. We have had such wars already in Europe, and we know
"era This sort of independence, however, la the benefit grant- of the country. That policy, however, was now brought town end, how few were the benefits Oust flowed from them, and how mant-
le to Switzerland fur becoming this accomplice of the conspirators. ia consequence of the results which took place in Spain ; and it fold were the mischiefs they created ; and of all studs lean those
Phe Is alleVed to preserve her nominal neutrality. She avoids foe would have been impossible not to allude to it in the Speech teem that woe from differences of opinion were the most to be eon.
the Present the miechiefs that resistance would bring on her to.day the Throne, but, at the same time, taking care that allusion was demised. (Hear, hear). They furnished examples pregnant with
era to-moms; but which or later she is destined to suffer, made to it with every possible caution, lam not inclined to fol. miseries of the greatest anti most calamitous extent to nations.
,seen the respite site purchases by her submission is expired. low the Hon. Seconder into the causes of the failure of Spain in her Should it, teen, be our policy to add a spark to that general con.
(ileac, hear.) In Germany the mine control is exercised, and a struggles for freeslorn, any more than I now am to stem those ea- Migration, in which the prosperity and happiness (Man would be
am of remyal and armed pace is constructed on the model of a sons which might account for what has happened. God forbid that ultimately exteneenated ; lte then theobservanee of peace the rule
tribunal core established int that country. They meet together, I I should insult over misfortune; God forbid that I should visit on of our conduct—of peace, be the elements of it more or less perfect;
emeert plena th.ey a point individuals to execute them.l the heads of those now labouring under the agony of disappointed not an obedience other nations, but an independence ofourselres :
hems Italy is to be overrun, pearl now Spa and Portugal. One hopes evils which existed in the State they thought to govern, and and be it our object not to disturb the irotituuons of other places,
der' Austria is de; Led ;th next day mce. We alone rues not ! evils, perhaps, which no individuals could have surmounted ! No but to preserve our own—to cherish them for oeselves, but not to
:hes lud. We remain without any intimation of their pleasure. one out of Spain could say what sort of Constitution was force them upon others; not to go on a cnisade thy the introduce
tat no questions were asked; to us no aneweanswerwere vouch.; best suited to the maneers, habits. and feelings of her pro. tion of them into other countries, which would only be
our Interests were not regarded. Indeed the greatest I ple ; and this was one ground, at least, for our determination to convert blessings into curses (cheers). It was well known that
Feeble enhancement of the motive ive to an aggression on their jto preserve a strict neutrality. I am not now to speak of we were not
.slow
.to be provoked, but should the occasion arise,
Tr *mid be, if they hht it hostile to our interest.. (Hear.) the detects of that l'onstitution which had so short-lived the due consideration of the grounds on which a war ought to be
'et bitter fruits of h it thou
are now forced on ether cam- lan existence ; neither am I called upon critically to examine or entered upon would not render us less strong or less effective. As
and be conducive to the no other Gentleman had entered upon the consideration of our &-
bill' to die long runt
they will be Anted on us, and this is exactly s explain what system could best exist,

rii;,m policy thto the ITV:meal:plc em! .c-.llcman, I will
net enter loniser into explination of tic colMtict winch Ministers
have pursued with regera to our foreign The nest
point w which 1 am 1111XiDUS to viva:, which has 'occn it roduced
by the lion. Member who seconded the Addrers, is the great ques-
tion relative to Ireland. The lion. 3lcmber has mentioned it as a
measure eeso.ntially necessary tie t 1 a rs,a: of the perms:
tient '

14d the Greeks been sumecsful. 1
the daring attempt ended. The

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happiness of that country. Of the wilily oi.•`•-t measure 1
now retain the same opinions and the same conviction that I bare
invariably expressed, and I do still hope that the score opinions end
conviction will yet win their way into this cotritry. T wrcis a ord,
is
the precise meaning of which no: always Stn: ituctultst to, "
but than which no word in the language was mon: IPA rel.: handled
about-1 mean the word inconsiainey. It was not frequently
taken in its literal signification, btu indivi;:uois often ths.ortit
proper to erect an arbitrary standard in tl;rir own mind, to
assign their own signification to it. Atthcogh I entertain sen.
rimeuta favourable to the queslion. you I arm of opirion too,
that there are rot now to be found in this country materials
for a Ministry, who would concur in the erociliarcy of conced-
ing the Catholic question, and at the same 1.11!1n aircur in other
questions of equally momentous importance to the nation. I always I
expressed my sense of the difficulry of fonr.ing such a Ministry,
and the charge of inconsistency seine me nn that ;.o and is not
maintainable. A difference of opinion with one's 'J. and -not '
with others, constitutes inconsistency. To show that these were
the sentiments I always entertained, and that I did not think it
necessary to have a Ministry formed also concurred in the expetie I
racy of passing this measure, I refer to the: period of my public
life which is moist frequently adverted to for the purpose fastening •
this charge of inconsistency upon nie. In Lid I was nominated
by the Prince Regent (now his present Majesty) to consult with the
Marquis of Wellesley in the formation of a new adtainistration,
arid the conduct I then pursued win be found not an re: of Liam- I
iiistenc) on my part, but of inaccurate statement on the part of the I
historian, who thought proper to select that Passage of my public
life for the imputation of such a charge. . /a the arc:nip:men:a
which were then making, what I dill 1 stipuiatc fr. ? Did I
pulate •o exclude what is commonly called ee the Protestant fac- !
don ?'.' No! but I stipulated to communicate immatliattiy with'
Lord Liverpool. and this conduct I pureed. not w'reet I was itr
• sited to join an administration, but I was nominated to form one
—not when I was an accessary, but a principal snot a subordi.
loan: agent, but a chief actor in the arraaarnent end appointment
nf the members of a new ministry. This principle 1 then Tiro-
raised publicly, and have since acted upon, tor the reason l have
assigned, that in the convnlSions with which this country may be
agitated, and in the difficulties through which it may have to,
struggle, if a ministry were formed concurring in this marine,
they would be found to differ in gliwic aocnti4l qualms sr. .16
done policy. That the measure may be acceded to I sincerely
hope. tnrough the gradual operation of psblic opinion arid the fa-
vourable disposition of the people—a disposition which. 1 fear,
does not now very strongly prevail tarsals it: but when
prejudices would pass away, and when its opjainars IVM: :or.
vinced of the wisdom and expediency of poss.rg it, would ulti-
mately triumph. For myself, I shall be ever ter toy to tender or. its
behalf the best support I can command, whether in office or out
of odic*, by whom or in whatever mannei i: may be brought
forward. But, its in 1812, I sun persuaded that there are not
materials at present in the country to form an available adminis-
tration that would accord in unisnimous assert to this measure.
flaying explained myself on this point, and on the foreign policy
which 'has been pirated by my collearettea and myself, I shad only
further appeal to the Royal Speech 'lir the account of err stew-
ardships, and for the principle: by which Oaverne.cre has been
regulated in the policy it has pursued and on the statement I
have made, we may, let me hope, take pride to ourselves, at
seeing the county at its present state of pronprrit,-, wititcna the
compromise of any honourable principle—without the diminution
of any commercial or other advantage, and with tier augmentation
of national resource., for which, if we do not court approbation,
we challenge criticism without fear or without shame. (Much
cheering.)
Mr. lilt (as we linderttood) intimated dissent to that part
of the address which referred to the Colonies.

their interposition for the safety of

articles of any interest in the Dfonitn•r anti E

Per Cent

Mr. PEEL said that it was not his intention to ester into the
question of foreign policy, after the ample and satisfactory dis-
cussion itAuid received from his Right Hon. and Learned Friend.
But as his Right Hon. Friend had taken an opporicnity of ex-
pressing his steadfast adherence to the opininr.a which he had
hitherto entertained on the f.latholic Question, be t Mr. P.) was also
desirous of expressing the determined opposition towards it, which
he had often indeed before repeated. !('hems from the Ministerial
Benches.) Whenever the question came before the lious.e. his sen-
iiinents would be found to be unvaried on that subject. I!e would
not add now to the many repetitions of similar sentiments in that
I House, but that his Learned Friend in a Tanner had led Mtn to the
expression of tllem, by the declaration of his opinion on the mea-
sure. (Hear, hear. )
Mr. HUME roll.—He was fcr some time inaudible in the Gal-
lery, owing to the confusion which prevailed in the body of the
Houle. As anon as he became audible, we understoed hint to Ray
that the declarations of the Slight Henourah'!e Secretary towards
Ireland were most unsatisfactory, and gave a lamentable prospect
of what the exertions of Government were likely to erect for that
unfortunate country. The Seconder of the Address had stated,
and it was not denied, that the policy hitherto pursued was ruinous
to her interests. Yet the Right Hon. Secretary of State, SO far
from promising .a change, asserted that none should take plan!.
Another point, in his opinion an important one, had not been as.-
verted to in the Speech, namely, whether Ministers intepded to
make any redaction in the taxes. The Speech was, in his :Tinian,
vague and unsatisfactory on other points.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that in a
few days he would have to submit a statement to the House, which
would embrace the point relative to totes adverted toily the Hon.
' !Berner. Vatrltheperiod afrived fist su'fbuilhirk altirillYteftietit
of accounts, he hoped it would not be considered as inconsistent
with the retpect due to the House if he declined at presient offering
any explanation on the subject of the intentlans of his Majesty's
Ministers telative to the taxes of the ensuing year. He hoped,
when the statement of accounts was sn'intittcd, it would be found
by the House ample, correct, and satisfactory.
The Address was then agreed to.—Adjourned.

[From the Ifon;terr of Sunday, Feb. 1

Otrr commerce is RCM in a langhishing stain: The tairrinnmer.ts'
to Lumpe are trifling: this plate of stagnation or diNcoemi;ernent
in undoubtedly a natural efrert of the nova we receive from the
rrincipal markets of Franc.: and Italy. A general hope k enter-
tained, that thp c.reumetanan, the armn;,-,,T.nevus
waich will follow the foil pacification of Spain, will r& are that
confidence, without which c.immerce cimrat rrn,c,rnc

However, the merc:tants of t:tis plate w:11 •!ed for
this azeitlental inaction, if ti;cy nn ch:vin frein l'ic rctrnasa
Government the five millions cf 1 astir..:ri:irh fifty cl.:ii as the
These

'...11!S

r7,;1119e, to
cgr

amount due to them by the Greck rn
claims have been long brought forward.
pay the cretlitrrs of the Rapt% witcre properry i: I.
but hitherto this promise hte not been fulrl!,:d. 'rite list inter-
views,. however, which have taken place I,etwtca tit- several fse-
Wrie3 and the of(ents of the Goremment, fire reaton to In.re that
this important aftir will very e-on be tiecit:ed. The riclits of the
claimants are en clear, they are founded on such exorees guaram
tees, that there is every rcaton to hope that the Ottoman Govern.
meat will accede to the demands which hare Item nude on the
subject. This is the third tine e.g.! the interest we tole in the
comtneree of this city has induced us in mention M this raper the
oieject of these chime. We shull retur; to the sid..*;:ct oe.ee more.
Ina we hope it will be to announce that. t ..;rythinp ie arranged to
'he satisfaction of the cretlitnne—otitetwil Spectator.

[From the Etuil• of re,. 2.1

Letters from i.:sbon wirrimr- that a

Co-erntneat

ht preparing an expedition of in,cop men for Brazil.
News is impatiently eapeeted re pecting the lit:^ attain: of tho
Greeks on Smyrna. The law number or the rh-hell 5..,,,,f0,.
which has rerehed us say., that the firecks rally cif rt-r 1 a Inliog
At Boursa. which is at the vrry gate of smyrna. An al.aml inrae-
dia•'cly s,read amorp, the Turks; the 1.41 i:". p:•:• ed hin*Ptlf at the
* •
i head of 411 men, and went through the chiJ s:rrels of ;he tits
I Soon after be invi:ed all the European Illanis to a roof:re:ice,
probably to concert wi,ll theill 1:ItElIIITIlm• ;he common defc:.re. It
begins, however, to be hcliercil, that the anpeararee of the firerks
lat Smyrna is merely a feint to C.r.VT 01.11:r p::....rcts. So consider-
* able i is TIC'. to he earrin: by a romp J. /rt:;Fr.
e• de Corps will remain a: Ma:trill C..; thr. Ist :gore).
• the seven Spar.ish oitictra who ha:n arrived at Atari., as
Ipr:s *lra?, is Colonel Errit..te -...n :II i:;nt'..

The Session of Parlia:ueci for I f'2l 4eneil in Loth
Ilouses yesterday. The h.in,fs F.,seceli, delivered be
Commission, differed little from what we yesterday stated
its substance would be. Though a discuP;:on of some

length occurred in either Iloese, ro amendment was moved-
The Marquis of Lens(:own stated is olections gen:rally
to the Speech, in the Upper !Irene ; and Mr. Proughem '
pursued the seine course in the Lower: Lord Liverpool
replied to one, and Canning to the other. As to the
set speeches of the trovers,and seccnders of the Aedreso
in the Upper tad Lower Nouse, they were mere echoes of
the Speech. They will be found in our columns, but are,
worthy no other fleece. We were early aware that no
amendment was intended to he moved from the Opposition
Benches ; we know that several of ere '.tankers of that side
of the House dined together at the Clarendon Hotel two
or three days since, and that three it was agreed to meet
no formal amendment, should the King's Seceeli be framed,
as delivered by Cornmirdon yesterday. Mr. Brougham;sat
also understood, bad mentioned cursorily in the Morning
of yesterday, that a desultory discussion v. 45 likely to arise.
but no regular debate, and his Speech was exactlf of that
d,:scripticn. • It was thought, early irsahe afternoon, thet
Mr. iiresteim, the Member for rtscx,*oultl have bionght
forward an amendment to that paragraph I,l* the Speech,.
which alludes to the improved state of the agrieulture of
the country; and we understood the lion:nimble
.Qcn_tk:
man,on his going to the. Flour,, to lw;e ei pressed 110114;%
tention of doing so ; but he probably reserved kis semis.
mention that important qnMtion•for a future period, and
will bring forward a specific motion on the subject. Per.
haps the most grateful part of thO Eines Speech Is that
which, after mentioning the partial augmentatiOn of oar
naval and land forces, for the protection of the commerce
of the country, and the necessity of affording security to
our Colonies, state', " that notwithstanding this ir -
" crease of expenditure, his Majesty has gratification in.
" reflecting that it Will he in the power of the House of
" Commons to make arrangements in some ports of this
" system of taxation, so as to afford relief frcm some part
" of the public burthens." In accordance with this &else-
ation, the Chancellor of the Exchequer rose in the course
of the evening, and stated his intention to bring forward,
at an early period- of the Session, the whole state of the
finances of theecnntry, anti at the tame time explain hie
views, and thote of Ministers, as to any practicable redue:
tions that can consistently be made. We must again repeat
cur regret that the recognition of the independence of South
America has for the present been waived. We do not think
it such a policy as this country ought to pursue; it will create,..
we arc confident, deep disappointment in that quarter of
the New World, and bring with it feelings, any thing but:
favourable to the pursuits and commerce of this coun-
try. On the subject of Ireland, we confess our antici-
pations also are gloomy ; we . can augur little from
the speech of the leading Minister in the Lower House
last night: it is plain there is no change of policy
whatever in the Cabinet as regards that country ; on the
contrary, 31r. Peel rose in his place, and stated his deter-.
urination to give unqualified orpositio to the measure
of Catholic emancipation whenever it should be brought
forward, and the declaration was received with cheers fkom.
the intolerant party on the Treasury benches behind him
• Mr. Canning, in
his
reply to Mr. Brougham last night, re
patted his opinions of last Session, that he conceived it im-
possible to form a Cabinet in the country, who would be
agreed in the mersu- e of Catholic emancipation. We
mutt express our unqualified diment from the Right Hon..
Gentleman. We know that an Administration of the
highest character maid be formed to-morrow, every Mem-.
ber of which would have but one opinion, es to the neces-
sity of making the* concession to 'the Catholics of both
England and Ireland. Mr. Peel appears fond of recording
his marked opposition on this question, whenever the Fo-
reign Secretary alludes to it ; he never conceals his ri-
valry when any opportunity crones. We fancy this is
not the only question on which the present Cabinet

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LONDON. WEDNESDAY, FEDRUAIT 4, 1824.

Sunday's Paris Papers, alid the Efoile of Monday, are ill agreed. We saw Mr. Buxton in the House
reached us last night. The latter Paper renews the state- last night, and among the Members who attended at
ment of some days back, that the Portuguese Government the ,Bar of the House of Leeds, to hear the Speech
was preparing an expedition of 10,000 men for Brazil. read. We trust his Majesty's recommendation, on the
With this, of course, we can have no concern ; if Portugal subject of the colonies, and the Negro population. will not
can recover her possessions in the New World by her own be lost on him or his party: that paragraph of the Speech
proper resources and strength, she has an unquestionable is most important, which states, that " the subject is one
right to do so. It is more than probable that any expedi- " perplexed with difficulties ; and as any measures for the
tion from Europe has already been notified to the treacher- " sudden change of the condition of the slaves would not
ous Don Pedro, and that he will endeavour to Set in concert " have the desired effect, the House. must be aware bow
with his father's Government. It is another question, " dangerous it would he to excite exaggerated expeetatiou4
where Portugal will find means or troops for such an arms- " among those they wish to benefit ; and his Majesty is
went, which it, much more easily put on paper than on " assured that they will bear in mind, that in attempting
shipboard. The Greeks are said to have actually at- " the improvement of a long continued and complicated
tempted Smyrna and effected a landing at Bourse, at the " system, in which the fortunes and lives of a large body,
very gates of that city ; violent alarm prevailed, and the " of his Majesty's subjects are involved, the House will.
Paella, who could only get together 400 men, invited all " proceed with a discretion which shall conciliate the
Ithe European Consuls to a cunferene^, probably to procure " debris of humanity and justice, and in which caution'

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