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f ilte Court eeessiusally from Brussels to the Haggle,
slid from the Hague to Brussels, imposed on him
ti><setenityof keeping up a double estsblishment.
i•' seaerespect to the embassies to Petershorgh and
viessa and the Genitors Courts, he did this& it par..
tiealsrly necessary, la the mom state of Enropeen
.IDirs, that they should be kept up, and that it
veld bee piece of the most niggerdly economy
rii reduce them. The geographical position
if guitzerland rendered it a station of such political
importance, as. o require the apweinblefit, not i
de;sil of ea Ambassador of the first class, but of a
*sister of the rank to which his Hon. Friend whir
had lately been appointed to it belonged. The
Noble Lord had stated that the effect of the
present 'arrangements was, to exclude from the
!other appointments those who had been refs-
larly trained in the serviee of diplomacy; but if
their Lordships refereed to the list of those now
employed, they would find fourteen of the whole
number that had been brought up from the
lowest rank of office in that line. Indeed the prin-
ciple of regularly promoting those who had been
b'onght up in the line was as much adhered to
under the present Ministry as ever it had been at
'7 former period of the history of the country.
l'he question which their Lordships had to con-
sider was, Aro, whether in the nature of these ap-
pointments there cm any unreasonable proportion,
witch he thought he had already satisfactorily die-
timed of ; and then whether the pay and allow..
poem of *ow appointments were unnecessarily
greet. He did not believe that their Lordships, on
terming to the subject, would find that there was
slim& Minister overpaid, or a single one whoop
illowences would more than cover his necessary ex-
' pluses. The fixing of the present scale had done awn:.
with a practice clutch was at all times inconvenient,
snit open to frequent abuse, namely, that of mak-
ing additional allowances for incidental and extra-
ordinary expenses. On a full view of the circum.
stances of the case, he was convinced their Lordships
amid go with hum in thinking, that it would be
mach mere fair to the individuals holding these
appointments, and more honourable to the charac-
,ef of the coantry, to say at once that they wcial.l
out have them at ell, than not to pay them in a
manner which would enable them adequately to
ratite the dignity and character of the office. He
!Alt 'that the Noble Lord had made out no case
ii hich called for such an Address as he had in view,
slid therefore be should give his negative to the
• motion.
. Lord HOLLAND said, it could hardly have
escaped the notice of their Lordships that the Mi-
. nicer, had been somewhat tardy in their motions,
sod that all the reductions fur which the Noble
• Earl was so anxious to take great credit to himself
had been forced upon their adoption. The Noble
End had told them over and over again that the
totblishotents were reduced to the lowers possible
sale. He had said both in and out of the Howie
tlot every one of the establishments as they before
(sated were necessary to conduct the affairs of the
coantry, and that if any determination were adopted
he Parliament to reduce any one of them, lie had
/ othing more to do than to tender his resignation,
soul retire altogether from the management of the
Corentrneot of the country. Repeatedly had
si,..echtus of that kind been heard from the Noble
&el ; but now, after redactions of various kinds,
iss *very office. and every department, had been
made. no matter by what means, or from what mo-
tive, compulsive or otherwise, op started the Noble
Earl, and said that they were entirely owing to his
consideration for the state of the country ; that to
Lis feeling for the pressure of the times and the dis-
newel of the nation, the country was indebted for'
these redoctions which had been forced and extorted
from him by the universal demand of the people.
Ile cordially agreed with the Noble Earl in what
i:e had stated as to the nature of the civil list, and
l!e advsntsges of its present arrangement, whereby
ono class only was regularly brought before Par-
lament; for he was of opinion, that if the whole
iontion were open, there were many parts of what
-es called the splendour of the Crown which he
i',ought might be reduced, which he looked upon
es unnecessary, and which he would snatch away
..;shout the slightest remorse. They, however,
"ere not now under consideration. if any Noble
..ord, referring to the returns on the table, and to
!,e statements of his Noble Friend who opened
this debate, thought that no case of extreme-
vote had been made out, it was that Noble Lord's
iNty to vote spinet the motion of his Noble Friend ;
tan those who shouW feel that the expenses which
weft incurred were greater than was necessary for
the civil service of the country, would be bound to
pport that motion. The Noble Earl, iu one part
.i" his speech. had said that the expenses of foreign
missions in 1796 were formed on a scale adopted as
PO back as 11721 ; but if he (Lord Holiaild) were
rot mistaken, a Committee war appointed in the
other House in 1786 and another in 1790. by which
reduction of these expenses was recommended
• d before Mr. Pitt plunged into that atrocious war.
',mit it had been far better fur his country and
• 4 fame if be had never eugaged iii, his obj.ct
sll inquiries on this subject was to push
onomy in these allowances a. far as it could pos.
ay be carried. lii the beginning of the debate,
a Noble Friend had asked the Noble Earl if he
'I ,en of any Paying that hail been made upon the
. licence for tlw third class of the civil list since
t.. present arrangement wed adopted ? The Noble
tid with great caution replied, that he did not
lye the amount of the saving which had
ren made, but that whatever it actually was,
had teen carried to the cosisolidoted fund;
other wordy, that he had tint dared, by violating
' le express provisions of the Act, to trausgreas the
ides of his country. But he (Lord II.) hoped be
••ionld nut be thought drfiCielli ill chef ity or can-
' mr, if he inferred from the silence of the
Noble Earl as to the ammnt of anv saving in
.'t branch, that no such saving hail hero made„
'.- proper anode of conoug in 0 liteidilin On
q"l.,,iiiii at issue Ina...evil his Noble Friend
iiii ihe Noble Em, 11141: to einvoiler what were
'` Mahone in 17313. what they were iit 1804,
'id what was their amount by the estimate for
ie present tune on the !shit.. It was not ne-
'74a. '1 to go into the details or the expense at this
!?"1140 Court ; but it would be sufficient, taking
tits ons iv the gross, to slate wind the whole of thus
encases were. The: Noble Earl hued left one greet
collateral question completely unnoticed : not one
ward had lie said on the subject of the hall-iiay and