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DISTRFSSFS OF THE COUNTRY.

Mr. Brun? (of Wiltshire) presented a Petition from se-
wat pei sons (as we understood) at Bridgetown, who prayed
shot the House do grant them the means of quitting this
iwuntry for Upper Canada, or some other of his Majesty's
Colonies, in which they errata procure employment.—The
Prifiioll was laid on the *We, end ordered to be printed.
STATE OF THE MANUFACTURING DISTRICTS.
. Mr. litmsurr gave notice, that, on Thursday the 9th lost.
lie would submit a motion to the House on the Slate of the
Alanufactsriug Districts is the County of Lancaster.
SEDITIOUS MEETINGS
PREVENTION BILL.
LordCAIPTLEIbAGH moved the Order of the
Day for the second reeding of the Seditious Meet-
ings I'retention Bill.
Jr.A M. A. TAYLOR begged to take this oppor.
lowly of asking some explanation respecting the
wording of the Bill. The term " Seditious Meet-
logs," he:thought very vague, and before he could
inuke up his mind upon the principle of the mem-
/MTV, he wished !oink, whether the Bill, as it stood,
to bg pressed without ally tuoiliticttion ? Au
1:i:•er to this plain question would decide the
c.oir.e he meant to pursuit.. -
bird CAITLSRICAOII was surprised that so old o
Member of the House should put such a question.
Sorely tide Hon. Member did not mean to make
fiiiwelf.the Committee upon This Bill, &Indio anti-
Opiate, iu this stage of the proceeding, the details
which may hereafter to due course come before the
its the Comniittee the lion. Member's
4:testiest would be better answered. Even after the
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should only ray, that he felt be bail just as much
experience upon points of faun as the Noble Lord.
Mr. GRESI Feta. rose to take this opportunity of
briefly delistring his npinimr upon this Bill.
Lord CASTLEREAGH rose to order, and suggest-
ed that it would he a inuell more etrovrisient course
for the House, and be hoped equally so for the
!lon. Gentleman, to deliver his setittoteuts at sir-
other period of the debate. It was the usual coarse,
and it had been acted upon in 1796, its Mr. Pitt's
tone, that sir opening speech, descriptive of the
purview of the question, should be first made to
the House, •nd that then the discussion should
arise u; the opening speech, lord the reply in
doe course to follow. This was, he thought, the
strict stud rrgiihr course of debate.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR--" That is precisely what
I ask far."—(A laugh.)
Mr. CRENFELL said, he merely wished for his
own personal convenience to address the House
now ; but he by uo memos wished to interrupt the
regular course, or to prevent the Noble Lord front
making hos opening stairmelit.
The Som.:iron-GE:lima b then rose to make
the ()penis% statement.
Mr. TIEnNET rose to order, and complained,
that when his lion. Friend (Mr. Oreorsl4 yielded,
it was under the idea that the Noble Lord 'limit
himself to address the Douse. It now appeared
that another person had risen, if, c.erefore, any
Don. Member, except the Noble Lard, meant to
claim the ear of the (louse, it certainly ought to
be his Goo. Friend who had already risen, and not
the Solicitor-General.--/Dear, heir.)
Lord CASTLEREAGH mid, that. the course taken
in 1796, by Mr. Pitt, wus merely to 'stove the
Order of the Day, and leave to the Solicitor-Gene-
ral the office of opening the details of the intended
Bill.

Mr. TIERNEY replied, that he knew nothing of
what pumsed its 1796, respecting Mr. Pitt, or the
then Solicitor-General. All he knew was, the
general usage of the House, and this was,that
the first Alember who rose was entitled to be
heard.

Mr. GRENrer.r. was now loudly called for; but—
The SPEAKER rose and said, that if the Hon.
Member who had first risen was pvlvented from iirl-
dressiog the (louse on soy former occasion, it was
the usual courtesy to allow him the earliest oppor-
litnity which he could take. If, however, he did
not complain of having lost another o; t it fo_
addressing the House, perhaps the debule would
be left to rise with the mover of the second reading.
The Noble Lord had as yet only moved the order of
the day.
Mr. GRENFELI. said that he only rove to suit hit
personal convenience, and had certainly given way
to the Noble Lord, thinking he was about to open
the debate,
The SPIAKEt The Hon. Member is aware
that there is no question now before the House."

Mr. PauEast. said. that it behoves' Govern-
ment, at this crisis, to bring forward this mea-
sure—

Mr. GRENPELL rose to order, and said that if
any person but the Noble Lord was to address the
House, lie thought he had a claim to priority.—
Mew, hear.)—Mr. l'etcevnl immediately gave
way, and Mr. Grenfell proceeded to address the
House. He said, that at there teas no question
before the house, he could feel little difficulty in
proposing the second reading of the Bill, as lie
concurred in its principle. He was anxious to take
this early opportunity of explaiiiing his opinion
with reference to the great subject How before the
House. He rose under more painful impressions
than he had ever previously laboured under since
he sat in that House, for he knew that his opinions
on the present question, and his sense of public
justice io the present exigencies of the country,
were directly opposite to those of his Hoti. Friends
who surruuuded him, with whom it had hitherto
been his pride and gratification to act, and with
whom it would be his anxious tle-iie still to act, iiid-
withstandiiig his present difference from them, for
the remainder of his life.—(Hear, hear.)—He WAS
one of those who had abstained altogether from
voting either on the Amendment of his Bight Hon.
Friend (Mr. Tierney), or upon the Motion of his
Noble Friend near him (Lord Althorp). He had so
abstained from feelings of a per,oi,al nature, and iu
doing so he hoped lie had incurred no imputation of
a dereliction of his public duty. The only motives
which actuated him sprung from feelings of per-
sonal regard, he might add of affection, for both
his night Hon. and his Noble Friends. Now,
however, that the question came before the House
in a perfect view, lie could no longer remain silent—
he could no longer withhold his real Gpinion. Front
the best consideration which he had been able to
give the present measure—a measure, he was ready

to admit, involving the dearest interests of the
country, and from all the inform; - contained in
the papers before the House, as well as from what
had fallen from the Noble Lord under him (Lord
Stanley), he ass ready to give his vote iu favour of
the priuciple of all the measures auaounced by the
Noble Lord opposite, reserving. however, to him-
self the right of considering hereafter the details of
those measures, or any amendments that may lie
mode to them—/Hear. hear, from Lord Castle-
.
reagh j—and more particularly reserving to him-
self the right of considering whether any, or all
of those measures should be of a temporary na-
ture.—/Cries of Hear, has. from the Opposition
benches; I—But to the principles, lie was now ready
to give his steady and hearty support.—/Hear./
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL mod, that in enlace-
quence of the absence of his Hight Honourable
and Learned Friend (the Attorney-General), it
became his duty to state to the House the na-
ture of the measures which his Majesty's Go-
verinnent found it necessary at this crisis to sub-
unit to the consideration of Parliament. In attempt-
ing to perform this unexpected task. he hoped
to receive the liberal indulgence Of the [halm..
It was impossible for him to cousceal the fact, that
lie was acquainted with the details of the measurer.
but being acquainted with the details was a very
different thing from being prepared to unfold them
precision to the House; lie would, however,
endeavour to slate those measures wills as much
plainness, simplicity. and distinctness as possible.
When those measures were stated to the House, he
trusted that it would be found that um step was taken
his Majesty's Ministers that was not called fur,
and wis not necessiry to meet the present &sneer-
ous situation of the•countrys It was manifest that

there was an extraordinary disposition in Get.tlenten
us. the other sitle to underrate that danger. Au
attempt was made the other 'tight by a Hight
Hon. Gentlemen to Mit/ream upon the House. that
the present thrortheis were cootitted to Lancashire,
and partially to Chester. It was evident, 1,43 a-ever.
from the pithwrs on the table, wool, tooletbenalent of
that evidence.'from the facts before the piddle, that
those disorders extended much foirdier. It was
stereo!, that the county of Yolk wits tout infected
with them ; but the paper? on the table proved
that the views of the dangerous mod disloyal were
pursued even beyuod those hearts. F those du.
consent., indeed, it might perhaps lie argued, that
there was 110 immediate Ihillger its dint watt of the
Country; but yet there was every reason to suppose
that those proceedings were likely to end in a way
the most alarming, unless put down by rtrong 1114^.-
cautionary measures. It was impossible to maintain
the public peace iu that pert of the kingdom with.
out arming the hand of the 51:agtootrete, tool even
the documents hr alluded to stated distinctly
that no less than absolute revolution was the
object of faction there. What real-on then, he
would risk, wail there for asserting that bermes-
.tone cod Cheahire were the miry places wha-re
the niessuies of the disaffected were 'adopted ?
On referring to the imperil, it would alocear that,
the spirit of iiistoloordination took a nuncio wider
range—it %mild appear that Nurthotaberlentl,
Cumberland, Durham, and, ahnve all, the weaterit
parts of' Scotland, and the immediate neighbour.
howl* of Glasgow ayi.Paisley were in a .tote of
insubortlinetiou ; hue 11111101.1 leave out of calculation
the butte of the metropolis. the iliaortleily mid se-
ditious meetings which took place, the state of the
seditious press there, and the ttiects of all those
motels on the districts immediately adjoining—lie
would allot leave out of calculation the disturbed
state of VA'arteickshire ; hot taking t:oe state of the
cottony hewn the Wert Holing of York-it:re to the
neighbourhood of Glasgow, a dismoce of about
two hundred attire. contanoing a 111101e111134 411(1 en
active population, they would Owl theisseelves stir.
rouothal as it were with iltailfed and disloyalty ;
aunt after taking that review, would any our sly
that the precautionary torasuro a now proposed were
tint called for by the alarming circumstances of the
tome 2 Whtql he ciimaidereal the chainnition aunt
the activity of the party against »hoot tint-e
ntra-
sorrswere directed—when lie reflected on the r3Pid
Judi's ))))) of their principles, from what he would
CAI 111C1r head-rhuarters at Lancashire, Iloriongh the
extent lie dercritaed, precamitmotry tneaeures up-
prated to hint as indispensable. The evidence of
fuels, the knowledge of those local disturbance.,
the fatal experietwe afforded by the French Keen.
lotion. called upon .the House to stand lot dna
crisis before the Coniststotioti. lie that Revoluti
to which he bud just alluded, discontent omit din-
loyalty west first 'motored in the manufacturing
towns; they were encouraged by the watot tot' a firm
and timely resirtance, aid the User:eters of the loyal
plots of the country, and the activity of the disloyal
led to ail the sitiodornines awl cal: 111 l ittes of France.
Having said so much, he would beg or the House
to consider the eciortites and the conduct of the di,.
Isyu I pies; whets they so ena4ideresi 1110.111, the
House must see that they tended to nothing but
revolution. A newspaper in Coventry had said
that the revolution had already begun ; in other
parts of the country the revolution appeared to be
ilearly perfect mid consummated. Looking to the
character of the proceeding* its the disturbed dnw
islet*, it led him to this concluaion ; he therefore
eutreated the House to view the measurer, and to
consider the views or the disloyal; for it was only
when they saw the danger its its full extent that
they could come to a fair conclusion as to the oar-
crasity and the character of the measures proposed
for combating the public danger. The first paint
to which these measures were directed was that of
training much to the use of arms for reitolut 1111 l ary
1,111111W,11. The next point against which they were
directed, was that of collecting Mans for those truss-
rd, with the view, too doubt, of cerryhog on treason-
able designs against the Government of the country.
The :hod measure. mid the most important. was the
measure intended to be resorted to again.' public
meetings—those meetings which the party found
as the most efficient means to carry their measines
onto effect—by means of which they attempted to
intimidate the country, and to check all opposition
whilst they encouraged support. lie would beg
the House to meal their recollection to the sio-
blualmig and abominable designs openly avoided
by that party, or carrying on assassination—
lie would be. diem to reflect on the doctrines
put forth on flit,' subject lay the public press—be
meant that port oh it touched to the party. In one
of those Reforimug Gazettes of the 311 of Jnly last.
au italividual wits deriguated its a mintier so plain
as slot to be mistaken, and it wss then leaked, was
there no noble thetas to strike his dagger into the
heart of the tyrant ? The next measure oh those
prisons to which hr would direct the attention of
the House, was the formation of nisitteroms awrem.
blies of persons professing doctrine* of Parliamen-
tary Reform, but really brought together for the
purpose of making* demonstration of their strength,
to increase the hopes of their Importers, and to in-
timidate those Who Might wish to oppose them.
He would nest call the attention of the House to
the rtate of the press ; lie dial not mean she re.p.-cta-
ble press, but the cheap, or rather the low pert of
the pi-se. It was admitted by the Ilion. Geotlemen
at the other side, that that part of the hovers bad
the moat pernicious and unfortunate ttLarts cut the
lower clews. There could thee be too opposition
apprehended from those lion. Gentlemen against
the meuritie intended to be 'dowed against that
portion .of the press. The whole of the my..
tem now submitted to Parliament, was to defeat
the measures of the disattected ; and it was not
too touch to say. that moor combined measures
were the most formidable that were combined to
overthrow soy Cover 1111 l rut. The queetion Was,
whether the system determined out by the Govern.
meat was the most wise and discreet which could
be proposed ? He could say, that it was the moat
anxious wish of the Gover 1111 l ent, knowing the
solid duty that was cast upon them—knowing that
the cositstry called fur mettsitrn to ovlpprrrs the
dangerous and disloyal--the brit wish of the Go-
fer 1111 l rut was to trench at little es poiltle upon
the ancient and established laws of the Constitu-
tion ; and he flattered himiself,• that when the mea-
sures of Goverouient were considered, that they
would be found best calculated to carry int* effect

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the object they hi,' in view, fie sgreed with en
lion. and !Armed Friend of his at the other aide,
that it was impovoihle to con Aider those Inesatires
detached from each oilier. He wuulJ therefore
confine his observations not to the pasticuhr men.
iire before them that night, hid would view us lie
paased the ges•rst system or haws to be submitted
i to thy ilatilie••••
i Mr. HsouottaY, across the table, said lie did

ion misfit. that it was impossible to consoler each
of these measures separately, hut that it would be
difficult to discuss one of thew without touching
on the others.
The `iot.ictiot-Geskat L.—The system of die
affection was a combisse,l system, rod the measures
of (;overninent to oppose that spirits must be
at,•, roaolnnrJ. unit it was unpoavible to form an
opinion all a part or that sy►trut without viewing
the entire us one roaluuou object. H~ wool(' now
consoler the mellower intended against the press—
he meant that part of it wl ich ull hands adulated
had (bile so much mischief. No intlividwil was
inure attached to the liberty of the p►e.s thou him.
self; he had ever looked upon the trial by jury and
the liberty of the press as two of the Milli 1/11111r%
en which the Government of the country rested:

1 he was nut the advocate, he never would be the
r.
slovocate of measures which trespassed on either of
thure valuable privileges. The violent and seditious
press was 110*, ill Kel.erol, conducted by persons
without character arid without property. %Yes it
not join and right, that persons who directed that
furnitdable engine lohould not be allowed to mike
use of it fur purposes manifestly against the
well-bruit( of society ? All thut was asked for
way that those verso°, should be required to give
some security not to atruse the taros to purposes of
blissplitany and stalitiort. It was not proposed ;to
put the press in the power of an arbitrary Mao.
trate, but if the publisher, on a trial by a jury of
his countrymen, should be found guilty of pub.
liehing it libel, flint there should he a fond to meet
any fine to whirl' he might he subjected:
would ask, was this to Ire considered as tovediug the
fair conslituti I liberty of the lore*? Nu pre.
mutt censorship was iiiiendeil—(Hear, hear, from
the tlppositieni—iso limitation of the trial by jury.
hear, hear, ftorn the same side.)-11 his Ma-
jesty's Munster* were capable of proposOrg such
measures, he would tint be their organ—they
would lie suer to meet with the rejsrobotion of that
'louse and of the country. Sot the evil of which
he complained lead an airman universal iutluence,
and must be put down ; lie looked ultimo the in-
tended tareason-s as timer which would r &murkily
meet it. Ile begged to make an observation on
the political maitre and character of those publics-
nom. In the Stills year of the King a Bill was
brought in Cot offering a tax on newspapers. The
words of that Act were so general as to have been
considered sufficient to embrace publications of the
character he now 'mimed out—the matter was cer-
tanily in a Court of Law, and it was
argued that they were not subject to • tax. He
would assisting the fact. Admitting, fur the sake of
argament, that they were now in this respect to be
treated as newspapers, he would ask the House
was there any earthly reason why they should not be
made subject to the light tax on daily newspapers?
The next measure Intended respecting the press was
the degree of puoishiment to be inflicted in the event
of a convicting.. after a former conviction had taken
place. This was not a new principle—it was recognis-
ed by the law. and acted on in a great variety of cases.
He would ask gentlemen at the other side, whether
j an offender rorivicted of a blosphemous•or seditious
libel, should be allowed to brave a Court of Jus-
tice, or whether a discretionary power of punishing
ought not to be vested in the Court, to be enforced
or not according to the circumstances of the case
Against a measure t •'culated to prevent evil, to
curb the ',cautious spirit of every libeller, who
would disgrice the fair freedom of the press, lie
did lint ore that ally fair objection could be muck.
He would ~ay one word on the law against training.
It had been said that the law, as it stood, was sof-
licelit to put down that evil. ff a person could
be proved to have been trained to the use of
arias, for the purpose of living those arms against
Ilw state, that in itself constituted an overt act of
high ireasoii. lint the difficulty was, to bring that
bnaie in the 'bind.. of a dory. Though every person
might be morally convinced of the object and in-
tention oldie offender, the difficulty still was great
to bring the crime home ag.iiiert him an as to make
hint amenable to a Court of Justice. The object
or the law now proposed was to prevent any person
front training or bong unless they should
previously procure license from the proper autho.
rite'. Tina measure eppeareil to him so reasonable
arid so necessary, as to be in little danger of meet*
log a serious object:um The next measure he
wirtild advert to was, that for rtecelleratiug trials for
misdemeanor. A- the law stood at present, • ',re-
arm accused might put off his trial for two years.
This was a part of the Mil law of the laud, which
remained nrichauged. In cases of civil actions.
the law was the biome ; but the tithe haviug been
found aujust, the law was remedied, and all
that was now required was to amend the law in

rases of misdemeanor. 'fhe law was so guarded
as not to {tore room for the "lightest infringes
inetit co the. right of the itemised, so feee as that
right wear considered fur all fair purposes. The
law did lint require the party to go to • trial at the
first Assize's, unless it was manifest that he
hail ample time to prepare for his defeeim—
It was ace impo►tant privilege of the subject, wheu
accused before all i oferior Court, to have the power
141 remove the close by teribrari to a superior
Cowl, for in some cases lie might apprelimid that
lie would nut receive a fair tried in the Court below.
'll'he law proposed dot not deprive the sobjert of
that right, best inertly enacted that the accused
►'uuld tensor.. lop case, in the tirst instance, and
not wait tict;l a bill was I Iby u Jury. An-
other niesseeir, oleic!' was iineoded us a temporary
tioritture, was the power isitetaded to be given
to Nlagistnite. of seizing mine. The evidence ou
the table would furnish strong reasons for that law.
By the Bell. the Magistrates were to hare power to
seize arms *loch appeared to he kept for bad put.
!nowt, slid to seize 'hem without evairoce. Thine
hum wind' utrofiteit anspicion of bring kept for bed
purposes. weir piker, knives, and other weapons •
but the .lsgi•trate. in other taws, was «Ot to b;
auiliorized to seize other weapoop, without having
evidence that they were lamed's+ to injure end dts-
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N.lsllloll/1, where his cise would he ill., II:: ''
would dismiss it without further olisenr,
the Law Officers of the Crown in not reser 4ainv.t
the libels of the weekly press. With respect t4e. ' isifi -
personslly, be had nothiug to object, het he eul
cutivinced that if the charge was fairly exeintne-14itt
would appear soltogrilier unjustifieble. Parnell' r .
libels might no doubt he selected within the lot
three year., of a very bad and even of mu etinicioUs
charucter, winch were not made the tmlieet of 4
prosecution—but the evil now complained of horst
upon them so suddenly, mid in such a torrent
thin
it was found iftwosstble to check it My s ti,
hand of the lie. Thaw libels came oil so onsim
questioes.and in sods number, as to Intel' duos sii
legal barriers. If he were asked the cyase of thn,
he would answer, that he could not ileviilepe ti'
whole cause. As one case, he would mention they
of Mr. Huse, who was tried about le 11 iiiii 1110 b
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fur a publication, the blatipliemons maitre of ei .
lithetarC)—ou
when a person who was convicted for putdiailp,..
libel was) broligin up for judgment, and it is
justly deouniiiiited a libel of a WAN 111.11/1/, Is
character. Mr. Hone, however, was art-putted .1
he regretted to say that that acquittal was ti ii
with triumph and rejoicing. This individeal ' re
his prosecution was a person of lowed 4,
struggling ill humble life—bat persons were ~t
iii the country to enter into a voluntary wt p.
lima for him, sad to advance him to ; stmt •
ofilisence. to reward him fur his utfetices.—/Ha
—•I'lle circumstance of his acquittal. and the rewa
which followed. was one of the causes to which t
might trace those libels. He did not mean to say tin
that was the only cause, but certainly it 'natures,
the crime of libel in a very considerable degree. 14
could not therefore but say, that it hut ill be-
came individuals who had acted on that occasion, stall
who had voluntarily subscribed for Mr. Hone, win.
had therefore tended to encourage the evil, to cow-
plain of the want of energy in the Law Offivers i.f
the Crown. having amid so much, he wes-1
now make some observations 015 the Bill Wee
them for the enppressitois of Seditious Meetings.
It said that the people might mitt is any men.-
bets to consider their grievances; he would stiontsiit
it—but when it was considered that those meeting.
which had been held were merely to cover ulterieti
and dangerous designs against the constirot:o::,
surely they ought to be pot down. Gusertimt, t
did not interfere spinet the right of petition—tiles
only wished to regulate those meetings.—(Fires ti.::
Hon. Gentleman went into a detailed account of t'.e
Bill. nearly in the same terms as described by 1...-.-I
Castlereagh on Tuesday evening.]—fle thee pin.
ceeded to say, that it was ttecetaaty tint stns.,-
measures should be rendered perniasteat from the
discontent of the people, sod the spirit which Ia I
more or less manifested itself in England for i.ei
last twenty years.
Mr. Lfrewrost expressed himself bound by tr,,
state of the country to support the Bin. He seen:
into many severe ob 6 lions against the radical r-.
formers, whom he denominated as traitors and rehs,4
against the State. He then proceeded to say,
if the evils which he had been reciting were not pain
cured—if some of the provisions of the Bills they
were discussing were not pawed, the Gotternimnt
would speedily be compelled to adopt coercion,
without reference to the laws. It was 111 the option
of the House to limit the duration of the delta t..
five or seven years. For his part, he thought r:
would be much more honest fur the House its
pass them for an undefined period, wherein,
if they found that the troubles of the districts
ceased, they might repeal them, than pass ttis,ii
for a limited period, at the end of which ii...-
state of the country might require their ituinediute
re-enactment. He thought that it would be better
if the Bills were made local i their al lllll/14!:11it.11, 11*
that, without explanation, would imply that they
were only to he temporary, and would cease when
the evil which produced them should exist gni
longer. He could not help noticing the frespient
allusions of his Hon. Friends attar him, tied he oats
titularly addressed himself to his Might Hoe. Frwitil
next to him (Mr. Tierney) to what they termed a
system of coercion. He would fain ask his tior.
Friends with what propriety they could apply that
term to measures intended to secure the pulite.
tranquillity ? The law so far might be called a
system of coercion, as it was destgised to. prevent
ga crimes ainst the public peace rod security. By
coercion they must mean discharging all youciliss
tory measures, and silopting a system of force. tit
put down the intolerable evils which were kilovolt
to prevail. He contended that such coercion eetslil
only be regarded as a system of crimes and punish-
ments, to put down what was agreed au all side, to
be unbearable. His lion. Friends bad earnestly
recommended some measures of conciliation : he
agreed with theta in that opinion, mid would defier
what he considered to be ilece.ssary for that purpose_
In the first place, be would have an inquiry insti-
tuted into all the iiiirticulars of the Matit.lievter
question—not to gratify the rebellious mule but to
satisfy the sober, loyal. and reftectisig people ofd
England. The nest measure of conciliation wen-.
he shook, feel inclined to propose would be ais
effectual retrenchment and a vigorone ec,sooty 'it
the management of the expenditure. Tin, clad not
been the plait of Ministers. Their venue ignore
was notorious; they discovered no quip:silly bat
public opinion on this question; they openly de-
fended the most extravagant particulars of the put,.
tic charges. There was nothing like -aticiliatitio,
nor any shew of respect for ptionlar feeling, even
exhibited in the measures of their ednniiistratien.
He wished them to alter their iisyytein of
tam end a6nei, or lie leaner that they would I:,e
to lament their perseverance ill it. As to the tin,--
tion of Reform, which had beets ',united tit, ai-
would not say that it was eutirely unfit Ivr :•,e
consideration of the House.; he would la r
lay that an inquiry into it euuld plods/iv e. e
good effect in the present temper of the ii,,it-v*
and the coons'''. ; but he thought that at:, r
the allay of tho resent. gessesit &intent, when I'y

Commitiee there were two or three Stage. open to wit
..41i;c1166 the principle, so that the Hou. Member end
*fluid haw full time to sh.ipe hi. coarse upon the pla,
prit,ciple. without any anticipation of the details at WI
this "illipusent. Ito
Air. M. A. TevLoa replied. that aIT he asked by
' was whether the Bill was meant to be left is its and
. preseta shape ?As to his being an old MeMber, he ono
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