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pr,,ltiee 1,403.0001. including its operatit.n in
ird,na—to which country it was propssed that all
the increased duties should be extended, eirrept
that net spirits. Ills proposition was to increase the
putt rin malt at the rate of la. /11. the biaaliel, or
94. ;J. the quarter. When he before stated his
woo in the House, with reopen to this article,
lir wade some calculations to satisfy Gentlemen that
the tax could not operate injuriously. He wished that
terry Gentleman, who swished tai forth a decided opi-
oinn en the subject, would examine the evidence
given hefoye the Committee last year. lie had
Taken tl a liberty to advert to what was stated before
that (74anniittre by a most respectable Genite,n,th,
Mr. Bewley. Since that he had had a personal com-
munication with him, and lie would state the view
file Motley hail taken of the subject, in order to
comet any error he might have fallen
Mr. Barclay stated, in his evidence before the
Committee, that the real price of malt was fre-
quently 4.. lees than the price at which it was
guided. Its 1818, the quoted price was 8 IS.
per quarter, hut the general overage ref pm-
chines was 775. per quarter. At that period
were Oss. per cwt. Malt was at re-
f, rt 634. per quarter—hops were 8/. 16s. per cot.
By tie it Gentleman's calculation, the total amount
of the materials used in brewing is quarter of malt
fro, in 1818, a/. 19'. ; this year the same would
nett cost Si. Ba. art. The brewer had, therefore,
this tear a hotelier in favour of the price of his
anaterial., as comported with the last, of 103.11 d.
per quarter. He tbought it but perfectly fair, that
the piildo !Amold derive the benefit of a portion of
this orntit—(Hertel—and the calcidation was an
olnicus, that the amount ass
this
drawn from the
surplus profit of the brewer this year, as compared
with the last, and that it by no means could or
ought to affect the price to the consumer. which,
instead of being raised in consequence, might, and
he trusteel would, rather be reduced. The cdtlition
of this duty was perfectly compatible stills even a
reduction of the present price.—(Hear.)—The
ohly remaining sitiele he had to allude to was
tirine-Maile Brinell spitits—he meant spirits dis-
-1,11e.! England :it was not his intention t hat this
,x 1.1...iitd *atrial either to Ireland or 'Scotland.
The duties he meant to impose were at the fallow-
in rates:—The duty on stall osamh he meant to
ii.!vanee from its present rate, is.'Orl„ to 24. (in
:Atones. of 3,1. per gcllmij; thee swear wash, lie
propt.sill. should, be advanced to Os dd. per gallon ;
she wine wort, Or trine wash, to 34. 6d. The ave.
rite prni!tiet" of thieve duties lie eetimaterl at
500,000/. if, as had been coisjeetured, the effect of
dose augmented duties would lse to reduce the
coe•iimption of spirits. cod thereat, that donate
Le, for one, should heartily rejoice at seeing
a prcrerence given to a beverage so much more
aliolesotne, and so muds more col genial to the
I.eal,li and morals of the people.—(Near,
hear. f
Ile had conferred on the subject with snow of
the British distillers, and they claimed a protee-
tion from the foreign spirit-dealer in the market,
and he thought that some protecting reguletion
rosy become hereafter necessary on that point,
which, while it may be rendered conducive to the
revenue of the country. would also protect the
borne trader. He trusted be had now gone through
all the explanations which the nature of the case
required, but if there were any further elucidation
or cessal, he should be glad to give it to any lion.
111cinber who may chose to call for it upon ;my par-
tiesdar part of hie statement----
[Here Mr. GRERTILL put in a question. in a
low tone of voice• across the table—we mould not
collect that it referred to a part of the Right Hon.
Gentleman's prospective financial vitwel
The Right-floo. Gentleman then stated, in 'split.
nation, that he tr.p.trd this would be the last time
when a Minister of the country would feel himself
imperatively called upon in a period of peace to
propose either a lion, or an additimial tax to pay
the interest of it. It became necessary this year to
raise 19 000,000/, and upwards to balance the ear-
l', Ut eXperuliture for necessary Perrier. ; next year,
be trusted, they should only have 4,000,0001. to
raise for the saute pantos', or rather to complete
the repayment of the debt to the Bank. There
was afterwards no reason eo apprehend that it would
be necessary to troubl: that House or the country
upon so painful a subject as loans and new taxi*.
When the people reflected that the resits sacrifice
they were called .upon to make was to place their
filmic...l upon a permanent footing, and to prevent
the recurrence to fresh expedients or future har-
dens, he trusted that they would find consolation
for any present inconvenience in their future pro-
spects, and acknowledge that Parliament had
watched over their interests with judgment mid
wisdom, oral adopted the only course which was
likely to produce permanent good.—/hear.)—lle
concititleal by moving the following Resolution :
e That Wear& reisiag the Supply for the mew, of
the current year a sum of 121,00,0001. be raised by sa.
atlllloo

Mr. GltEttlYEt.t. laid, he would preface his obser-
vations by thinking the Right Hon. Gentleman for
the coui troy he had displayed in giving him the
plemition he sought--a courtesy whieb he had in-
variably received from the ,aide quarter. The Right
Hon. Gentleman had stated, that he would simplify
the druids of this important question, and he had
certainty fulfilled Lis promise in the dear ard per-
spicuous statements he had given, both on the pre.
ser.t and former exerting.. It was his intention on
the presions evenings to have eleiined the attention
of the Committee, but he had yielded to person*
gore entitled to command the attention of the
House, and he treated he would now receive their
indulgence white be briefly delivered his sentiments.
agrerit with those who hail ea-
pressed their opinion that it was not only desirable,
but snot expedient•thet the country should possess
a surplus income over and above its expenditure,
Of, in other words, what 1,1111 called .4 Otnkjug
fund, ex, ceding the whole amount of the ordinary
expenditure. AS • g, as others bad done, thut
the revenue should keep up to its present amount,
he thought it a proud sitnetion for the country,
that ull Europe should see her pieced at the end of
a war (,)ii the origin or conduct of which he want
to pronnuiter no opinion). in which she had anode
such immense sacrifices, and displayed such un.
Paralleled exertions, possessing a real, unequivocal,
ulatoubted surplus of Looo,noot above her vrltule
expenditure,—efliesr, (tear.)—He would repent,
th.it Ihna was a proud and enviable bitootitto for the
."utilr/y 141 Sancta to the world,' after the wawa-

bun of so tremendoos ea:l protracted a realest.—
, 11.1ear.)—Ile altar coacurred in °Moine r ith throw
who thought it desirable and expedient that thus
sinking fund of 2.000,000/. *hoof, consider-
ably inereaerd. There were only two possohle
modes of increasing it.mone was Ity an adequate re-
duction of the establishments of thin cottony, anti
the other by an imposition of additional taxes.
After the decision upon the mode to he adopted was
settled, then, lie thought, all must concur in the
propriety of 'Awing the country in that attitude
which ass bell calculated 10 COMM:11111 the respect
of the whole world, and preserve, ss fir se human
foresight canhl dtrine. a lastiag pes::e, by sheering,
that she possessed the means and the energies to re-
sist external aggressiom if such were ever offered.
Ile will, therefore, of opinion, that it was moat desir-
able to hive the 2,000,0001. sinking fund increased
to 3,000,0001. stud that from the last auto it slinglit
he still further augmented by every possible regu-
I Mon and economy in the management of the ex-
isting revenue, and by snakiug the taxes operate
in so productive a manner ris possible, until sit length
Ilie.stsiking fund should by its ire n yonipoutirl, and
the auxiliary mean* tifforded to it, reach such a stint
as 8.000,0001. : then, tucked, their financial state
would hr placed upon as impenetrable basis. Eveti
Tit!) '2,000,0001. they were Grin, with 5,000,00 a/.
they would be so much better, but with 8,000,0001.
where was there its Europe that power that would
uttempt uggressiois iu any hope of grounding suc-
cess Nom any defalcation of their revenue, or ex-
pected derangement of their finaticee?-1 Hear,
hear, hear. f —lle dui not mean to imitate (God for-
bid he should !) that ass,. of the nations of the Con-
Maid couteniplated any such sggression—there
was nothing iu their prevent temper and conduct to
induce such a supposition —I Hear, hear, hear j—
bot it was right that the comitry should he placed
in ouch an attitude as to defy, if not to forbid mg-
greseion at any remote period. —( Hear, hear. )
To come directly to that subject snore home-
' diatrly before them —he meant the new Inc.,, and
the traiiractions connected with it—lie had only to
pity to the Right Honourable Gentleman the tri-
bute of his approbation, nod indeed that of all
those with whom lie hush conversed nium the miller,
fur the plan he had devised to meet the supplies for
the yrar....( !lean) —lle knew it gave smiveisal
aitisfaction, txcept to the few of the public who,
from a perversion of understanding, or some tither
snotty, which could 1w easily guessed, would have
preferred a loan of 30,000,000/. rather thin) of
12,000,(001. There was one consetineoce of the
Ilan, which, for obvious reasons, gave him peculiar
satisfictime though trifling if taken detachedly—
lie thought it important and valuable in its result :
he meant the felons! of the Batik of England to •
make the instal advances upon the prevent Insp,
tibia they had given upon all former ones. LI tail
now the (Wok had invariably, throughout the late
war, made advances to the public on the loans, but
it seemed they would do /10 no more. So much
the better, he was glad tli-y had not, and for two
reasons; became She public would find that
his ‘'‘lr. G.'s) scheme tf *visite; motley on the
loans. which he so often urged upon the Chancel-
lor tit the Est:heavier, was not only practicable bat
safe-, and in the highest degree economies) for the
pubic. It would now appear that the business
could be transacted as the flank did, with Cafe,
and at a much less expense. ills second reason
was, that it exhibited the Corporation of the
Rack in its true und proper colours. When i
he spoke of that establishment, he begged to I
be understood as speaking of a public body,
and not as reflecting upon the individuals who
composed it; for he should discriminate he-
tureen the several Directors, becanse he knew that
many of them had opposed the views of the
majority oat a late occasion, and had repeatedly
divided Ilse Court tipou the very question of those
advances; but their efforts were unavailing, and
the accustomed arcomniodation to the public
it seemed, peremptorily refused. He must be re-
coiled for saying. that in the time and matmer
of this refusal, there was a littleness of feeling, a
low-mindedness—to use the vulgar expresisiote there
was s 'hewing of the teeth, a manifestation of
spleen and opposition to the (:over iiiii rut mid coun-
try, which was not creditable on the part of the
Batik—that Corporation now ',hewed its resent-
meta to the Government, whose previous sub-
serviency to it had been such, that it became
fretful and captious the moment the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer Oared to emancipate him-
go* from the parsamunt varies of their high
and mighty authoritee. It was not wonderful
that the (Rauh should assume this hauteur mi-
ter being so long accustomed to dictate its (1%
tcrrne ; it was out wonderful that 26 Irler•
chants (very respectable, he admitted) should be-
come, as it were, intoxicated with their sway, when
they found themselves invariably consulted by the
lint Lord of the Treasury and the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, upon the general COIICCFIIII of the
country.— tlicar.)4le congratulated the Govern-
ment on their emancipation from a tyranny, as dis-
graceful to the Government that submitted to it, as
it was injurious to the best interests of the cooldry.
As to the expedient of repaying the Batik by the
preseot proposition of new taxis (for to that a past
of it is to be applied), he thought the montant very
inausliicious, slid should have much preferred that
stile were postponed for another year, until the
taunt's bird a little snore recoatereil from the pees-
sure it laboured under, partly from causes which he
trusted were ephemeral in their nature. In, how,
eser, giving his getier.sl concurrence to the outline '
the Right Jjon. Gentlemen's plate he did not
bar himself from touching upon some of its details
when a more proper moment arrived fur entering
into that branch of the consideretion. The lion.

Member concluded by the expression of his regret
at the alp:ence of his *tight lion. Friend (we pre-
sume Mr. Tierney), on account of indisposition;
but hoped he would be found in his place to-
morrcex.--411eoe, hear.)
Mr. blastulae said, he was not an►prised at the
course of condtict pgsued by the lion. Gentleman
towards the Dank, for he was only following his
usual example. He thought it. however, rather
extraordinary, that when the lion. Gentleman hid
given notice of a specific motion, he should not
I bore reserved bientelf for that opportunity to make
the attack which he had m.de ou the present occa-
aim,. As one of the Directors of the Omsk, tit
could not accept the compliments paid by the Hini.
uesiklriniate,tiudiv.iclusisql.tbat body, nor could he,

whatever'Weradsis cariduct in their Complied*
lion, consent to have their general art., met whit
sweeping censure. mode altos Ilan. Gent.'s
!oral:re/tong, in wetl his sourer of infoorinatiail,
peared to him equally objet tionable. Wien worild
he thought of ally man who would avail himself of
secret information, that he knew nt‘ght not to have
trarrapired, nn4 the,. iii a pablic assembly cast
forthiliat information, and make it the gni )))))) I of a
sweeping accination? It was totally impressitile to
firm i confidential Board nr Committee, without
'mail% in it a dissentient opinion, one however which
could not be divulged without no utter breach of
private confidence. ‘Vliat poi lie (Mr. M.) had
taken in the Courts of the hank, he was not in that
[louse to state—/Hear/--but whatever detertnina-
tarn the Board had arrived at, lie could assure
the Committee that it bid not emanated from ally
hostility to the Government—he repellent the idea
that it was dictated by any such feeling as u meats
'or angry *l4rib—s(t/ear. hear.).—The Hoak hod
been told, both in that llouse moil elsewhere, that
they were presumptuous iu arrog sting to themselves
any political power or iiitlitra.-e, and that they
ought to comfine themselves to their lataking af-
fairs, and their own regular business. For the de,
cision to which the liosuoisralde Gentlemaio had re-
ferred with so tench aseerbity, lie should have rather
expected his praise than his censure, for his (Mr.
(:reurell's) invariable demand was, that they should
strictly control their issues. it was this very pito.,
elide to which they now adhered, and in deeliaing
to make the advances upon the loan, they felt that
they were effectually controlling their issues, send
making those easeutial preparations which it was their
duty to make to resume cash ;squirms. Sillspo..r,
for instance, in the possible event of a had harvest,
'that the price of gold should rise to ea. Se. or
41. Ins. per nz. in what • souatioa would the Batik
be if they issued large :Avarice. in this maiicer ?
The country would then say. " that Was your own
fault, you knew the time when you would he called
upon to pay in cash, and it WON your drily to regu-
late your issues accurrlingly."—( Ilear.)--The
.1/011. Gentleman would hi elf, in such a possible
event, he the looniest to declaim ',Roost the BAIA,
hal they adopted, instead of rejecting, the course
ponds it out. Ile repeated, once for all, that what-
ever opinions he may criterions on any particular
measure in the Court of Directors, lie should
Ainch from taking his full share of respron
sthility for their public accts.—ft/ear, he:11..1-11e
was above "inverting himself any where, fir touch
less exist:Mon% these what weve his ()plosions sit the
management of Bank affairs ; he at the same time
disclaimed the imputation,' which had heels cast
*Too the Directors of the Batik by the Ilan. Gen-
tleman, and repelled with roulittertmee the asactuuu
that they were actuated in any of their decision* by
any feeling or desire to impede the measures of
Government.— (ficar.) only anxiety was
implicitly to enmply with the directions of Parlia-
ment. nor would they, mita ithstanding what had
beets insiiitrated, throw out of their consideratioa
the emivenience and general interests of the com-
munity.—(Hear, hest.)
Mr. PEA RSE (another Bank Director) complain-
rot with warmth of the language used by the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Grenfell) towards the Corporation.
of which lie (Mr. P.) was a member. lie would
not, however, retort upon him the acrimonious style
in which he invariably indulged towards the Bank,
nor charge him wills being actuated in his conduct
by pique, disappointment, or revenge. Neverilie-
lent, he must say, that the practice of using general
epithets, without coming to specific charges, Was
not becoming the dignity of that House, or that
proper sense of propriety which ought to govern
'subtle men when spanking upon public questions.
Mr. !MELLISH contained with his fellow //i-
-rectors of the Bank also had precedent him in re-
pelling the charge of their being actuated in the or.
eat•tott Pliothd to by Hoy hostility to the Govern-
ment, or any wish to withhold any mecononodation
from the public which they could consistently ad-
Yu nee. Ile strongly condemned the source of the
1100. Gesiiiernun's information; nor could lie con-
ceive with what propriety a confidential and unautlin-
rioed communication could be publicly divulged.
1f lie knew the particular quarter Mom wit ch the
llonourable Gentleman lied received his informa-
tion, and that that quarter was a Director,
lie should to-morrow mine the Court that that iii-
diridual he expelled their body. 'nitre was some-
thing loot strictly within the rules of propriety.
when a breach of confidence became the ground
Oil which lo ((mod a general attack upon a whole
body.—(llear.)—The Bank had ever !hewn a
great liberality to the politic, nod u strung desire
to givers-try facility to the promotion of the public
interests. it was but the other day that the Hon.
iikeistleman (as had hresi mated) complained of the
Bonk for not coutrollong their issues—rind the fire
moment they took All opportunity of Motioning the
plan lie recommended, they were rewarded by lie
censure. There was, no way of satisfying lion.
Members of this description. At rule time they
were called upon to divide their profits, sometime.
in their own Courts, and sometimes in the Courti
of Westminster 111.11. It was impossible the
rectors could please every body ; they would, how.
ever, persevere in the adcption of sueli measures MI
they deemed bead calculated so ensure them pidslie
confidence, and whirls in the end would entitle these
to general praise.—(!leer.)
Jr. GezarEt.s.. in explanation, disclaimed
any breach of confidence in the allusion he
lord made to divisions among the Directors*
whether the usual advances should lie made,
—The Committee would see with what fairness
lie was stylised or a brevets of confidence, when
be informed them. that be haGI heard of the
orcurrence to 'which he alluded from a Bank
Director, IA the Koonce of other persons to ll
public street, end without the siighttsi irecompa•
raiment of confidentiaLcurninunication or Hama
lion of eeeresy.— (Hear.)
Mr. P 9074181102 was convinced that the Director,
of the Bank would alwaxa nuoisfee an nactimitise
14 promote the public interests, en far as they could
4o so with roloriety,—(Neer.)—They must 4sas
please some people. and .eapect moons jut Teter,'
but the stworthisat ire would, he Wee pet 110•1
be of abort Iteration. Ile reocarred with
Hon. Gautiletuan {Mr. Orenfrll) that '
lied at length met its financial state
meet it, and deserted the practice
those futile eapediesita, which in t
ever prove so detrimental to be true

Ithe people. They were now proceeding ns the)
ought—they were reverting to a volOd metalic cur-
-1 rency4-11try -were restoring their fiaances to •
rorresrositliag basis—thry were proceeding with
iniseliammity, as had been well ohrerved by an
Hem. Member (:11r. Grelifell), in *hewing the
face of Eiteope the sinews of their strength. Ile
concluolial by •speriaing his genend concurrence in
the ;dm of the Right Hon. Gem!Elnan, rereraiug
Itimaelf, as oilier lion. Members hail dime, fur dos-
covillia 1014 fiat its detail..
Pia J. NmeemiT, so fair fioni thinking the Murk
to blame in withholding their advances on the pre.
tent lam, thought they hid meted perfectly right
its cotololtiug their own jtolgnielit owl discretion,
and taking into full consideration the call made
two!, them foe the resumption of cash payonelot4 ;
they hid it right to regulate their issues 11CCOr(liiig
to the contingent ettgagementr which they hail to
meet, and it was fur themselves alone to judge of
the propriety of their determiilatiosis. With resiiret
to the general question of the new taxation, his
decided opinion was, that the couotre Milt 111 no
cooditiou to bear it. Ile found that the additionni
malt duty was to affect the whole empire, while the
additional duty on spirits was to be confined to Eng-
land. He regretted that with respect to lielasid, any
measure was likely to have operation which would
iilace the brewertti in a comparatiesly worse situation
than the distilleries; and he earnest Ili suggested to the
flight !Immoral-de Geittlenion ;without ineistoing to
recommend any new tea whatever) the propriety,
for the sake of the industry, the moral., the health,
rind the pence of the people of Irelriol, of ndropt-
ing room? regulations which, if possible, would en-
courage rather than discourage the preference of
swift liquor over spirits. hl point of revenue, art
advantage may he derived I.y cultivatitig this ore.
fel eller, but ahr.ve all, in point of morality, it was
rutitled to the bravos conaideration of Government.
—/near, hear.)
Mr. lists OF:TX adverted at come lenOli to the
financial state of the country, and the I oiliire of the
profaners which had been held out to the patiple.
lie raid they had been promised by Mr. I'm a
siiikitio fund of eimo,Qpot. Haut they load now
arrived at one of 11..000,0004.—they were proinioeil
a total cesution of war taxes, in the serowl year of
the peace, and they were now in the fourth year
encumbered with 7,000,0001. of war taxes. The
Hon. Gentlemaii then went 'auto details of the rotate
of the revenue, and contended that there was no
security in Pow:B4)g taint It would cot fall below its
present amount. lu this state of depressed com-
merce, manufactures, and trade, lie could lint con-
vent to an augmentation of taxer. The flog
populoos districts of the country, through the
pressure of the times, ',regrow! melancholy -ex-
amples of crime. 'Merry, and disease, to a
degree never before known in England.—
To lay fresh taxes, therefore, upon people so
crushed and bent, was not only impolitic, but
actual marliirrs, for no man could answer for the
consequences. He knew some sort of revenue in
the manner proposed may be extorted by force
from the people, but it could only he drawu train
one of two sources—eithet (mom poverty, which
could ro ill cootribute it, or from the ittior's rates,
that were ultionarly to relieve that poverty. Hon.
Members, *lien its the fourth year of peace they
couseitted to new lases of three millions, could ill
face their constituenta, whatever number they
were able to muster in that House. This, lie
knew, was the first year of • new Parliament—
had it been the concluding year of the lost, they
would have given a very differeni vote. —( Hear.)
—The Members of the last Parliament, woo had
voted away the liberties of their country, met the
fate they deserved from their cosatitueuto; the same
result would now follow if the same splint! were
to lappets from the Representatives to these who
delegated them—Wear.)
Mr. Maws/lUD did not dread the appeal to his
constituents for his support of the proposed plan
—/Hear)—hut he could him conceal from his•view
that the people were, from • variety of courier, ma-
terially exhumed—he mean, the lower classes, and
lie should have much preferred to have seen the
struts wanted raised on the upper classes, who were
so much better able to bear the burden. He can-
didly avowed he should have voted in preference, to
a modified tax upon property, not income—such a
tax as would fall upon the landholder and fund-
bolder, and not upon the tenant, the artisan, and the
meclianic.—(Hear.).-He should have in every
way preferred such a tax as he pointed out—it
would make them look better in the eyes of the
country ; for they would then appear taxing them-
selves, rather than their constitueuts.—(llear.)—
If, however. such a tax were not proposed, lie should
vote for those now recosinueirded.—(Hear.)
An Honourable Member, whose mine re could
not learn, paid, lie could not well see how better
time, than the proposed one; could be brought
forward. He thought a large sinkiug fund most
expedieut and politic for the country, and the ge-
neral observations from one interested party an a an-
other, sheered the equal manner in which they were
diffused upon the couimunity.—(Hefte.)—The
wool tax could not. in soy material degree, affect
the manufactures of the country. While he thus
approved of the principle of the plan, he begged to
be uoderstood as restating himself for thee detadr.

Mr. J. P. GRANT was anxious for iotormitton n 9
particular part of the 'tight HON. Gentleman's
pLun. As he understood it, there was no intention
pf applying any part of the sinking fowl of (re-
lent) to the loins, us was to be done in this country.
The sinking fund in Ireland bore a larger propor.
tints to the marketable stock of !reload, thou dye
'inking fossil of England bore to the stock liere—r
to remedy the fluctuation of exchanges which thjs tee
lative difference between the stock of both enuntries
had occasioned, an Act was passed'enahling person,
to invest stock in England, and then trinfer it et
;Air (right and one-third per cent.) to jrelend, The
amount transferred in coitsetrietwg who very rear
Emil* n iv desired to ' whether ' arrangements
.i the

carried into effect.; but did he Vec,Alf ut 'bat
3,000,00 a of the present revenue consisted of win
ihoie., which were to continue no longer 1100 l the
yeur Ift:2o, or 1041. fie was of °Onion 'kit the
revenue could not be relied sumo at the amount at
intim!, it teas taken. It would he resnllet•trd tt•t•'t
the revenue of last year was in a great degree ow-
ing to neertradiog, alit: before fresh taxes were
iu;-
pn•rd, he thought the country ought to be allows.:
to renase and recover from the effect of its
The CNA Ncr.r.i.otz of the EuticgUtta eatil tig-
er(, that his reason fbr not touching the looking
fund in Ireland th•tt it might he suffered in
operate 'iota the resources and revenue of that
country we►e developed by the progress of nuln•-
try. soul the auginelitation of trade. The Right
lion. Gentleman, is conclusion said, that ther.
a-si no reason whatever for suppming !hid theta
would be a diminution in the revenue. Ive to its
increase. or, indeed, as to who may be its *hole,
he could not—no person could pledge himself;
there oa., he salt!, every reason, as fur its :sort,-
rime could sanction judgment, to think that the!.
would be an increase, in►teed of t 1 dimiuution o!
revenue.

sir RIBERT WILSON said, that the avowed oleo
ject of lording the nottistry with Nadi !Mimi rag es.
WOO not to slime the income aud thr tsprnditose of the
cusintry, but to increase a surplus already existing. If he
were anxious to cause an exasperation of the public mind,
he would support not merely three Itesultioi tttt R. 1)41 he
would support all the measures of Isis Majesty's
The people have declared their usability to pay
taxcs—
they have slated their distress—ai.el whet has burn the
insurer of Pacifist:tent That answer Ims been sis
lion of new and oppressive taxes. 'l' isatiosi mutt have
certain lintits-sthere is a point beyond *inch it eanvot
be ureic...4 with safety or with a.:vasone i it ..:•meoit be
Pie,'" 101004 wbat the people can bear, aud sheen it is
pri.ised too far resistance must sloop follow. Old forbid
that the miseriee of the people in this country. to oh.desse
clown those miseries may exist, should chive nee lieu-
plc to nuy resistance against Ole Puri noteut Ow
lass I—but surely the tranquillity of the comic: y sitou:d
out be enilaugered by increased Co:Athos, sod ex .s•
the distresses of the people, which hitil
.oily arrived at an ninrinisig aud deplorshie extent.
a hat the voice of the (votary was rigainst the proposed
loxes, uo rsndid man would deny, notwithstafidiog the in,.
joroics of Ministers. Ile was cot, however, surprised to lied
them stand up so confidently in that (louse, utterly dim.
rwliet that voice, nod answering the public complaint with
public burdens. Trey felt their strength—they were guarded
the first place by majorities in that Hopse...they were
ciisrded in the next by tax-gatherers—auel, jactly, lh, y
were wailed by regiments of foot end dragoons. but
they should recollect the transactious of the past—lloy
should recollect the causes that produced that Wow.
duos revolt/nos in another country, in consi qui nee of
uLich that couutry got rid of two-thirds of h‘r
consequence of which. lir might add, the debt .4 Eughtid
wss ip,aeated 600,000,0001. The gallant Grote*, here enter-
ed, at some length, on the moors and effect of the French
Revolution. He next alluded to Colonial taxes. lie Ind,
that eben his regiment were at the Capc of Gond Hope,
found an army of 4,000 men there—they found the
country in a flourishing coudition—anil yet the establish-
ments of that country did not cost France one single shif-
t. rig, slur Was (hire any oppression practised on the peo-
ple. so satisfied were they with the Fiench Guar; unient,
that the. British army did nut receive the slightest assistance
from the inlisbitants of the country. lu the est illlll4lt which
hail been laid before (be House, he found charges for the
auvionft of the military, fur the staff, and fur shippiug, as
connected with the Cape of Good Hope. The of
Ceylon too coat this couutry tin less than one milliuu mid or
half, in order to get fROSSCSIIIOO of it, aud this money, lie might
any, was wasted. He than alluded to nip cuoildct est the
Repress:dative destwrittly of POT( Canada. AC[Olll4lll kJ
reached town, that they have refused to grant (he Govern-
ment supplies for the year—a resolution which be could omit
too much applaud for its wisdom and its iudepruilencr
They eame to that resolution in the critical snonient—had
they delayed il, a Eery attempt to bring about retrenchment
and reform would bare been atoaccesstaj, and ..00lel be
treated there as it was here..•ll9 the mere effect of a tics
toms disposition. The galleon Gracr.el concluded by sortie,
that, feeling as he did the injustice and the impoliry of die
taxes, lie would feel it his duty, should no other Member do
so, to object to every proposition which the Right Hoa. Gen-
tleman should make respecting them.

Mr. Ca I.coAFT said, that I:e should also feet it
bit duty to divide the House on the subject of the
differeut taxes. The more he knew of the real state of the
(vainly, the more be was convince) uf the impoliey of is.-
'mow those tares; and be felt he would but poorly dis-
cluirge his duty if he did not oppose them. A pest portion
of those tapes, be said, most be paid out uf the puny raki,
to such a degree of wretchedness was the two's, mow re-
duced; but ha had every hope drat the country notelet re-
vive, and that the revenue would keep up to what was
stated iu the Finance Report, namely, to fif,y-four
But the prescut sitar pas, of all others, the most tmfitrustr-
chic for imposing uew than, It was then, Is. conceived,
i-upulitie in the last degree to impose those taxes at a lime
when they were not reonired for the expenditure of the
State. It had been staled, that by creating the 'hking
fund of 5,000,0001 security was gives, to the stucktholdri;
but lie was tensioned, that if the sinking fund were left at
2,000.0001. it +weld bare no unkvoierable effect at the
Stock Exchange, nor poold it be at all more difficult for
the Gisverionmet to borrow money. A great deal had beet,
cud about Members coming forward ski dischistog the state
of she mustily; hot Obit statement, when analysed, falls to
nothing. Auy mac M cep eetpositited with the financial slate of
the country, Items every item and turticular of the salijec;
quite as well before the discussion as lee dots ouw. In the Re-
port of the Finance C.amegittee that subject was fully slated
The only new feet that was disclosed was, that the Bank
held a greater amount of porernrnent securities than was
supposed. This was the only fact of any commqueace that
arose out of the late discussions. Jibe heard much of retina-
nil—the eohustry heard much of it—but where was it prac-
tisedt was it in the lateestimates> He was unfortunately,
but unavoidably ailment when those estimates were trought
before the Iliosse—the was, therefore, prorated (con-
trary to his usual practice) (rum examining them—he would
now say, that the late army estimate', were as objee.
tiouable as had bees porposed duce the fumuus Iteent,o-
liehs of 1818, and should no reduction take place to the
mean lime, he would be able it, the next year to demon-
strata that • great dinslaution might be made its the expen-
diture, without any greet diminution in the force of the
country. lie Slap said, anxious to record big opialoas
us this subject, tube Wiped lie 'lase would yet make a
stead to limit:4 Om toustry quips& eacesaiye tax-
ation.

Mr. Alderman WopD gait), Vie people were not
obie to bear .tip agniost taxation. and Iw, with the
other Members, aret‘hl feel It his duty Is watch the yrugress
4 Owe btu MO AD mese them. itt was, be !aid, a amt.
tor of sMimisbasern, Oat Moo. Pestle-we should
---,now Malt Tax. It a • Il,y

itrsi sccomps. to invest stock in England, and then trinfrr it at tad esrenishareal, Oat Yds. Penilesren should gyre ii.
ion or Hone- per (eight and one-third per ceu)l.) to jrelsnd, The
1
suppeel she Mats Tan. II pppiered Ibis they campronnsed
1 an aersed es the tax on an in rav
amount transferred in cometptence was very gm"s tiZrs mis
Mos 041 I• tax SP rill. IN' ibis lal" will 0"t
at the Directore and lie desired to how whether 'pity arrangements „„,,,,„ au purruss or au modal interest ; oetwidni,j.
an lodination rm 'ln contemplation is countered the Mint** lag Ore arldlstennl Iserign wool .111 be 4111 iar.
res they could effect which 'an unrestrained transfer may nccasion. I parsed.**‘ !b* she deem said a Otis CVO'S!
'My must des. With respect he the general Quail= 4 the 157i.5.11p.„1 'lir . , I I
bes ELO-6: .4.41;:tic;":"1"-•
Pule in retwu ; pessary there card be no dillterence of opinion on begs deareinsd, sad itow apeard as she lush to!. am
wall ',muscled, the raperheemy a plapirtg the geautry is this ! rusgurs or mum meg vie. iktip audiaelner. .Ma t we.
wed with the witted, 'which* greet walepo might so mom' in - themes of Air Wad liatigese at ro. m'o
• ' - 1505 arms
at the country the ether Powers of the, mead, one is whiedi he .11;Prottlora °to v nit reseal.. I. s'''r'"" 414. I awlmfo*ire;* i...1;174::
tas it ought to had no dostlet the einelers pr the psephi Ir*.?"1 ;las yaw. ii; ,4-2.„, 4„,,...,„ .., sorry is an
of Morting to wimp "lota it. MIA lutis ii•sh 14.°11.1"11 "M /hest SUM prayed arm an propia. Tior peels "4/4 we
the end muse I mid, shat there was no nutanereniemleatmesinewsobesoosibell-
fumemimuivocise. ~, si,",,...,knwtho
amr,l4..w...sid,wo:6,,,„,oweallge..zuz
roe interests of • dried eta /be reposed