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REPORT ON THE ADDRESS.

The SMAKIiit hiving put the question for the
Report's being brought up,

Sir F. BURDETT said, that it • was a ,natter of
cruel ruortiiieat• to him to see, that, eutwitio
standing the acknowledged tiopaialleled danger in
which the coentry stood, and the heavy t shimities
that had befallen it, no impression, such as might
have been expected, had bent made ma the roods
of many Gentlemen who now beard !inn. It was
singular, that the same majority accompanied Mi-
nisters, as under the most prosperous cirruin-
stances. This must iiiitunvis ou every mind the view
lie had ever taken of the subject, and ijie absolute
necessity, early in this Session, fur taking sub
consideration the measure he li.d propoecil et the
end of the last, for • reform in Parliament. Every
new occurrence enforced upon him more strongly
the conviction that this was necessary ; and if ire
had any doubts on the subject, the majority ein the
due question would have completely dispelled them.
(Hear, hear, front the Opposition.) If they could
suppose a Minister, under peculiar embarrassmehte,
and exhibiting the most marked imbecility—
/Hear 1 low ! from the same side.) He meant no-
thiug personal. He haul no private views—no views
of party—his object was the good of his country
aloue. Ministers exhibited such a picture to their
view, they wereobandoneil by all, and seemed to
be abandoned by theuvuelves. During all the de-
bete that had taken place, lie had nut collected
from one Gentlemau that they teiteriaiurti views
similar to his, of the absolute necessity for some ra-
dical change. Yet he did entertain hopes. that
many Gentlemen among the Opposition had not
abandoned the idea of reform. The ROMx dill
their calamities was in the corrupt state of this
Society; and the opinion that it was so, he was con-
vinced, daily gained ground with the public.—
Among many of the acts of Ministers which he had
to lament, he had to deplore their rashness in treat-
ing with insult the greatest city iu the world, whether
considered for its antiquity. its wealth, its power, its
loyalty, or its wisdom. How could they—he was
at • Ina to conceive it possible—how could they
commit His Majesty in a dispute with a part of his
subjects, on an undeniable point of their rights and
privileges ? For his part, he could not iaaagiue any
thing tuner dignified, as appertaining to a Crown,
than for a Monarch to receive the loyal effusions of
his people. upon the Throne. The imp o nee of
the city of London as. so great as neve to be
questioned. From Wilbert) the Conqueror Wil-
liam r Third, their conduct had given t I; city
weig arid honour; and he could not con ve the•
ahem ty of eutering into a contest with th ,to
deny . so great and respectable a bode e ex-
erci their rights and privileges.—(ll the
Lion able Baronet repeated • high ealog mon
If 1
the yof London. from the works of Lord oke).
—lt s. indeed, extraordinary, that, in a instry
whereolie King was prevented by the law from
*hutting up a small foot-path which ran through
his park. as was 'Le case at Richmond, tried some
year, ago—an attempt should be made by Mints,
test to block up the high-road to the Throne.
( Hear /) For such a crime aloue they deserved
impeachment. Did they dare to obstruct the sub-
ject in! exercising the right of petition ; a right
which eves the most absolute Monarch allowed to
Isis people ? What injury could this petition do ?
His Majesty was not. by receiving it, compelled-to
do any act; and it would seem as if Ministers had
committed this gross and scandalou•iirsult, merely
for the pleasure of committing it, (end without
either gain, emolument, or advadtage.—Their
insults were not, however, confined to the' ity:
There was •nnther matter which he would now
allude to, from which it appeared, that they ex-
tended them even to Members of the House. It
had. of old. been the custom to send His Majesty's
Speech to Members the night before they met, and
to adjourn ever* short time to afford them an op-
portunity for considering it. They were now
slighted in this respect. and he doubted much if
the custom which bad grown up in its stead, of
reading the Speech to Ministerial thinner-parties,
was more proper or effectual. There ass another
topic, to which he must again call their attention;
during the last Session, he had brought into notice
the foul. scandalous, and disgusting jut. of Chelsea
Hospital, bat had hot pressed it very far. os think-
ing it only necessary to direct public attention to-
wards it to have it recti;ied, and leaviug M misters a
decent way to creep out of a matter, of the extent of
which Very might not at first have been fully aware.
%Vim eras the consequence ? Just before they met
again, this disgraceful job was finished. But Mi-
nisters should not escape so. Ile would drag it to
light. and force them to relinquish their entei-prize.
With respro to the speech itself, be had a few
things to observe. It appeared to him to be de-
fective. A speech cught not to be conciliatory of
votes, and asking nothing but compliments to the
Crown.—/liege/ heir.')—ht ought to pledge the
public oil greet and important points of national
policy and coudoct. In this general view the speech
was defective, and it was also detective in omitting
the mention of India ; as if the people had nothing
to do with what was snider the direction of • Cons.
pony. They found to their -costs they had,
whenever that Company wonted more of their
means. There was • trustier introduced into
the speech, which lie supposed was put jut as •
prospectus towards the public Money. He meant
that paragraph rtcommenilitive of the pour
clergy. Fur his part, be rqoild not cumsent to
give one farthing fruits the haril hand of industry,
to support those who ought to be provided for by
their immediate employer% the rich clergy. As
for those parts of the Speech which relatirl to the
expeditions, neither he, nor ;noisy in that room,
who were rot military ;nee, were capable of front-
ing an opinion upon them. but in our canspaiges
there was so marked • miscenduct, that it require.]
no ability to judge of and condeuin them. Wal-
cheren, they were infnrinesi, ass to be taken by a
coop de mast. Ili never hood of such a coup de

mairt; for Bonaparte had given it ,:r3,1 ~
his officers tad prepare for it three H,,,,„,.
(prat it took plaice.—( liear ! k,-or ' 4,,,
But the projec;ors s that expeditini, %.,
tent ougiainvipstruclions to their p„l., ....n:,,
catch a Mr. riime ~ who, they
'
would give a fair. rep rt of it, than nn....
„,„.
structions tor tbe duet of the exrpipi,.,„
and in their anxiety to 'prevent the i:-,..
this individual,: they forgot to send c:.. '
j
ing tools,, lay which means the upeuliwiu. e
forces were delayed fur six days. There was. rip
that could justify the waste of blood they 1.,..
casioned ; but us this would Le a sohject tut h
consideration, he would How alistoiu train en;;
auto a discussion upon it. As fur the expo.,,,
Spain ; the allsup-d and ridiculous qu irrel
Ainenca ; the strange business toi liana, of P,
to describe the horror, in a few word., v,,,,0,'
soy, that one part of our army was em idnyed in
fare uloinst the other ; all these culeinitic3iLid
effect ON the persons who met in that too*,
who, with ecru' steadiness, in prosperity iiv
pity, gave their vote hit the Mowilei. who
1 Ilear .' hear !) This afforded him an nue.*
argument fur that which alone could save
clunary. lie could mot lirlp expreksiag his c,
tin to ;entlctileii who bhisued the late A•hiontor,
but sioloped their. They did not go far,
They might In go hock with him, and beque,
censure nil the last beeenteen years, and the 1,
that had lorevailed since 1793, when a war, ha
on injustice and fully, was entered into--all tll
lumities entailed by a hi, h hail then been •
. . . _

vied and foretold. lie had oinerved, since he
a Member, a disposition un all sides to quote
authority of that Minister ; who, if he ROY 1101
Original author, had sown the seeds and mature
growth of that plant. After 15 years' rspron
he could not Wistaria the o.i Ode lessons the
been taught by Mr. Pitt. le could not heat
authority without iontentiug that if it was ,
subject for praise, if it was a t subject for par
ric, it was not a fit subject fo in:Amine. Vet
aninsulted people cotupelle to pay his debts
erect a monument to his memory. A minim
to his memory was to be found in the nun 4;
rope ; more congenial to his merits, and mere
ruble than blies. But he would hare en rw,
himself to subicribc for a intinuaseet to Mr.
On one aide hi' would engrave Magna Charts,
the unalienable rights of Englishmen; 0.
other, that bane and baffler of all their rights
privileges, the Bill of Assoeosits. To this nit
meat, which should 1- - 4tst 40. Cr. and in si
their door. he we ~,r neve-ses -y Minister .
by the Speaker, on is i oguranou. there
he taught a irmioit, • -id •e nom him inst
ties, too useful esur to be 'forget:ems-01
laugh.)—Besides all these litters of cone
more immediately connected •th ch.:Speech,
wits also another grievous to ter cf complai
the system of taxatims. Sus ea.. sod Cot
stoners, responeiltle to un la , ~cre 'purred
hems* and oppress the I male. They
untenable, to no tribune! ; ci ' the more ten
pres,ctl, the store of eilv:,lit• e accrued to ‘
Pelee.** Ina could the pe dv foroet tin
heaped on them by tde ra aof coneetiog
heavy bat ens ? The i- 1. . ' A ppeel, too di
to afford tmu redress':. •• u t m surcharges,
flute WWI as occupied al ~ the I *:ours of husbol
as not to permit them to waste ay* i 44 Seeking
intliCe. 'Every little accide t or mistake
against the subject ; and, wha was st•Il worse,
the money so oppressively o ed, did not i
find its wry into the pubic pu ; nor, if it di,
it always applied to the publie serviee. Whe
then. he took a view of our fortogn affairs, or ill'
terns! adinioistref of the conntry, he sill '
refer the es il, in both to the some c,,u,e—Atust o,
form. A radical re toms was *hat we ai,e, oi need
and he hated such partial acts at luel I ~ --isnot
copied their time. They might pass It 4 dos n
said still the evils would exist ; these only pn
the tree,,which ought to be cut up. lie had I
in Parliament for fifteen years, and he had
every succeeding year more calamitous than its
cursor. For the 49 year. which had composed
jubilee reign, it had been the same, and there
no period of calamity so great, that we would
sooner place our country in, than in her present
Illation. There must be some cause for this cer
and gradual sinking into misery. It was not it
man or in that, in this or in that admiiiistratiom
was not to the strong or the weak, the wise
the simple, it was in one invariable existing cc
which produced ruse invariable effect. floe be
would they now be, could they place the cow
in the same state as et the opening of the Schef
how happy would they be, could they go I
to the time when the Rhine. the Alps, 'lnd
Ocean, were the boundaries of the empire of I
implacable eiolony—how happy, could • men
pentusula of Spans be raved from the grie
France—how hvoy, (though the man our
warned them against committing the act , bad
inusth and grievously censured), lid they r
frO:11 rake pretroceo, broken tile 'redly 4 I A,
—but it was vi•t, slid every year gave the'
lament a period they could not restore--No,
deed, there eras not only a must proligal waste(
public treasures, ant of the pubic blood, I,
the honours of the country. ( 1 len? ! het
a 321: :iris when ai
hit:taliTierib3;:t been said
l ,I:ur erocerti :tell 'w.si.alr'ellur seldom
asl:r n''
:IL: r.sri::th'e:
in this iii.tosce. If Ministers hail on lac.*
which to charge their General, and if the r
under his command acted with the %Alder ch
teristic of Britoil% then the conclovan .11
viteble, they were to blame themselves. IV
was nut the army strong enough' riey us ._%!
as they plea*ed, hut still the people ',milt u
They would fest, that either :Ministers, or • r::,
lo:Itili, or both, had the arts of Magicians. .ll'

conerrt victory two defeat. Hr would to:.
•1.0.7 Ifltt; th:.. topic. Ys lie blot before 41 "i
03; c4liipetelit to form opininl.Y on milt,y
bolt. uu ~.nlijeeta involving the rights and
the people, he could exercise his jut I,:rry
were outraged iii many wifa ; they ...ere i"lt
be the ereehon of harricks uni ibruct ec e'
the country ; unit above all. thev wet,
the introJuctimi of mercehsry ,or"` t`'

dom. It vrtok ottoler tide to tio-ok of ihe-e.,:t
4n.1 nt the lalt of the devriptlon of tor, t
tuto ctAct• t-oops the I.)J;L's of'

itelv before, were stigmatised in the
dr ;al' the Archduke Charles, as unlit to
, or serve with soldiers, were brought
!nil Euglitihmen.—( Hear ! Pcii, !)--
'anted no such defence.--t litodr.V—
eprohate another inoustrotis natiOvatton,
e Constitution, and destructit'e of our
practice of secret andeolitary Minn-
,o power of despotism could' Invent
tore subduing to the mind of than, or
is feelings. Three warnings that he
you'd evince that there could be no
,h points ; at prwsent he would forbear
to subject. The insult to the City of
tflord a rallyin4 point to every county
, to 'option the right of petitioning,
Ali together against despotism. If the
tat to be made acquainted with any
through the polluted medium of his
•!u were they on the brink of destruc-
that remained of their freedom, and
it token, was lost. He was not one of
.uld attribute all the misfortune slid
this reign to the, influence of a melig-
star waft IteetArary ; there was lume-
n themselves, from which all these evils
•ouid see in that room the rout of all the
is the root; sad the branches spread
sided to every extremity of the coon-
ieir shade flourished no useful plants;
'ndist's weeds. The fruits upon the
tempting to the eye, but to the taste
I the bitterness of ashes. They knew
to which he alluded, and also knew
stud ought to be done to the tree which
good. Our corruption interfered with
7h of the atate—it injured our navy, our
iissinerce—and Ministers, at any price,
a majority in Parliament.—( Hear !
e 1163 read of a Roman, whose unre-
-34:e to the Senate was. „Carthage insist
did be return ever to the souse
dry must he reformed.".
gun by noticing. that the Hon.
eit
speaking of them, had never called
nue of Commons; but had etiled them
ssembly. or Room. This, in the well-
, moderate language of the Honourable
Ind as coupled with the concluding
speech, imported as much as that
not the Representatives of the peo-
-1 ht to he done away. Os this,
nints, he bad the misfortune to
i Hon. Baronet, and he could not
fe
ishorti the Finn. Baronet'sobservationsont the subject.coneu.
os
lived that his reform would so alter
ii. 7itieetruiinn, that we would be t 0...
... ffitrevit from what we are now, or
-ter tors were.—( fher ')—There was
among the many extraordinary to-
wl by hint, which could not be cussed
)br
He had spoken of the jubilee, es
s or. ed down the throats of the pro-
• ' ..eon compelled to eta MON*-
. ..“‘re the legal Representatives of
.„ British d. ~,, i l iiona,lt was only ne-
ts , recall there expreseoous, to mites.;
,4.
r was there more general joy, or
jwirr •
used —llle ! hovel—The Hon.
11,0
tit as
our revered lid beloved
•- as being ruled by a maliguant
, 0 Vas noly necessary to repeat, to
twee •" he rtita had comnseuced with
0;46u e .41%,1 wars ever waged, which
lu A nee, raising the Maims to a pitch
y ,4,,„:ar0pl td in former, though out iii
bias true there had been many
au,. g this long space, but were they
~,, Jeri:late. mit to say the character,
~ o
g,ire of the best and most amiable
-i
;„„ at everexisted?—(Hear! hear!)-
11,r, 't had, for the same purpose, told
were would be, could we reran this
i.,..Xery true ! happy would we ibe
~.n.l detestehle revolution happen-
_ itch was to destroy and deface a
Hear ',tear ) Could we. in any reign, or
ti... repent to escape some injury, from
il wide-spreading contagion, from the
I rill. it brought on rcackind i. The llo-
tronet had favoured them with a passage
b. as his ground-work, and alluded, in
'high hr must unequivocally dissent,
lustrious Mr. Pitt; and concluded with
wiposition fora monument, to which the
Id, with his mace sail officers, conduct
ifs, aml school them into office. All this
pleasant ; but when he talked of the
1;.*: voinprHerl to pay Mr. Pitt's debts,
nionitiernt to him, he had only to ve-
,-rtion, to have it refuted. What !
enpelle3 to erect the muminaent ?
• •') As for the money voted by the
,puent of debts, it was voted on pub-
is. the Ite;wesentativcs of the people,
itrous man who hail so gloriously
alitry—and„ by this vote, the people
.—been the great political adversary of
is one of the first to recommend and
proposition. It was, then, the same
th it was exercised in this case, as on
(I Irar ! hear ..) The Hon. Baronet
ied ism) ability and prudence.—He set
set, es a foundation, which was either
iggereted. and his arguments fell
lowlife of his premises. lie stated
ty of reform, and then went to the
tired to the Citizens of London, by
it; them to present their Address
testy on the Mime. This, said the
it, is an tenth to the Cite of London,
if the imbreility of Ministers to tem-
in a dispute with Ins subjects. 11l r.
bated the case, aiid denied that their
ilt, or could he tiny intruded to the
lon, for which he professed the highe.t
eulogised in terms etindlle strong
allied by Sr I'. Bartlett. On great
lied been the heart of the empire, coo-
anal life to the extremities. The Re-
i greatly owing to the example and
its CITILTII% and this, with its unshaken
to the Huns.. of Brunswick was alone
!ruffle it to deference and respvct, bide-
aritninity, power, and loyalty. The
was one that had oftru before been agi-
wa, no uoveltj in
.It, mind it had never

been decided, that the claims of the city were *good
as those of the corporation to present themselves at
the Throne. If his lion. Friends had granted this,
they would have acted most nowitiely. They might
thereby have alfirtle.,l a precedent, productive of
great future evil. Nut to mention the infirm state
of His iMaje,t)'s healta, it might be impossible
for coy 111041ln:1i to receive every Address that
might he seat Gem every part of the country.
And what right had London beyond York or
Leicester' They had no peculiar privilege, such
as they cliimeri. lie hail also to observe on
Knottier fact. It appeared, from the Hon. Baronet's
own statetnent, that in this mighty monarchy, where
His Majesty was surrounded with all splendour
aml dignity, he could not even turn aside a foot-
path, in oue of his own parks, against the letter
of the law. This was a pretty strong proof of
what the Constitution was, and shrived that it would
be no easy matter to block up the high road to
the Throne. (Hear! hear!) Ile theta followed
the preceding Speaker into the Address. He (Sir
F. I. 1.) had expatiated on our dangers, our calanti-
ties, and on the necessity of some step, which, in I.
his opinion, would avert the one, and prevent the '
recurrence of the other. lie agreed with him that
we were in much danger, but could out approve of
the remedies be offered for our security. If these
remedies were adopted, from dauger we would be
plunged into greater danger, and ultimately into'
ruin. His opinion, which he would give plainly, and
without disgslise, was, that the couutry was not
in danger from a foreign and inveterate enemy,
but from a much nearer source. (Hear! hear!
and cries of disapprobation from the opposite side.)
Thi.swerie in danger from dissensions aiming them-
selves—and they seemed as if determined more to
hate one another theta the common enemy. lii this
temper, every subject was exaggerated and mis-
represented. These exaggerations cent forth to the
public, even from the House of Parliament, and
encouraged persons, of a very differmit description,
equally inimical to church and state, under thlir
wing, to carry on approaches against the found-
ations of the country. With these
.dangere siir-
rounding them, he would ask, could a man
be found of greater ability, and of t urer I,
to undertake the respans:bility of Government,
than his Right Honowahie Friend near him ?
(Mr. Perceval.) ' He, as vial as all who wished well
to the State. laMented tile late dissensions in the
Cabinet, but it was not the fault of his Right Hon.
Friend. that an adtaiutstration was not formed,
combining more the different parties, whose talents
would have beets of great utility, to the country.
—He professed his respect for some of those
who refused ; they had their own reasons fur it.—
But, whatever prevented the uuiou. the cireum-
stance accounted for the courage and constancy of
his Right Mon. Friend, and secured to him his ad-
miration as a inen always ready to stand by his So-
vereign. He would always support His Majesty's G-
overnment while be lived. ( Heir!) He had nothing to
hope—nothing to. fear. Let him be understood
might. There might be instances in which he would.
4 public grounds, differ, either from those who had
• confidence, or ethers; hue he weasel never
emetically oppose any Government appointed by
is Majesty. The Hon. Baronet had found fault
with the omission of India in the Speech ; but he
(*ought this might very naturally be accounted
fen; the advice. from that country did not arrive
till a few hours before the Speech was prepared.
and consequently Ministers could not have had
time to deliberate and advise their Sovereign what
he ought to say on so delicate and important a sub-
ject. He had agreed with, and voted for, the Address,
because it was.es wordedos not to pledge the House
to any particular points that were hereafter to be d is-
cussed, hut only to the general support of Govern-
ment. Tothe Amendment he hadobjected. because
it went to give such pledges, and to prejudge the
cases, before the documents on which their judg-
ment ought to be famed, were produced. With
respect to the main topics discussed lest night,
there would he future opportunities for him to
deliver his opinion. He would only say, with re-
ference to the Scheldt Expedition, that the failure
was highly worthy of their consideration, but, till
he saw the papers, he would not pledge himself to
vote for a more detailed inquiry. He agreed with
the Hon. Baronet. that they were not fit judges of
military operations; but entirely differed from
an lion. Gentleman, who spoke last night, that
the expeditions to Splint and the Scheldt were
accompanied with unparalleled calamity and
disgrace—(firers)—What did disgrace mean?
In the Expedition to the Scheldt, a simultaneous
operatiuu of the army and navy was necessary to in-
sure success. Sir Eyre Conte, with his division, was
to attack Flushing, while the rest of the force was
to attempt a coup de mein against Antwerp. It was
true, the plan did not succeed. But. had wind and
weather nothing to do with operations by sea and
land ? The fleet, instead of getting into the IVest
Scheldt, was forced into the Roompot; and it must
lee known to every gentleman. that, after the plan
thus failed, it %ism impossible to think of taking
Antwerp by a regular siege. Rut we had suc-
ceeded in the capture of Flushing. The
Honourable General turned his eyes up (we be-
lieve the speaker alluded to some gesticulation of
General Tarleton), as if taking a garrison of
10,000 men prisoners, and destroying docks, arsenals,
and a basin, capable of containing, at low water,
from IS to :t0 sail of the lute, were nothii4. Did
he not know that these ships lay there in safety, and
could come nut at one tide for the invasion of this
country ? Wes it not known. that fur eight mouths
in the year no shipping could lie in the Scheldt, and
that the French had already been put to great diffi-
culty in forming wet docks there for thew navy, and
het broken the backs of many of their situps in en-
d, ivouring to move them ? Was this to have
dose- nothing? but was it to have incurred disgrace?
(Hear! hear! from t4e Ministerial Benches.) Suppose
a French fleet made a descent on Sheerness, and de-
stroyed works there, a thousand times more valua-
ble than they now were, would it be said they had
done nothing, becausethey had not got toChathain
Such a ain't( was possible. and woe to the. Minister
in a hose tune it happened. lie wished Gentle-
men, then, to make use of fair terms, and to exa-
mine fairly. They would then make a stronger
impression on all sensible minds than by such MIX.
i epre-eittations as these. With reg ird to Spain, he
thought there was a term applied to the General, hi
t..ic accusation of rachness, which could hard') be

supported. There was nothing he lamented and
deprecated more than the readiness there ap-
peared to attack and condemn the Commander
of our army in Spain ; than whom, a better sol-
dier, or a more illustrious 0111,11111 Na to the pro-
(( (( of arms, never graced the British name.
—Vet against him, such gross cal uses and
lib.la were published, daily, from the anonymous
press, as were a disgrace to the nation. Ile trust-
ed some men of weight in that House would rand
up and reprobate the orhons practice. It had
been usual hitherto, for officers, how neglected
by Government or Ministers, to he protected by
the c try, and more particularly by that House.
—But, in this instsime; the- most gallant hero
that the British army boasted, whose exploits
in India, and in Europe, had dour honour to
his country, vets set up as the mark for ca-
lumny and detraction. If this disposition was
not discouraged, it might kid, in perilous
times, to the ruin of the empire. It promoted in
the army distrust of their officers, and misled the
troops and the people. Coder this persuasion, he
was sorry to have heard the Hon. General opposite, '
(Torii-ten), as a brother-officer and soldier, instead
*of defending Lord Wellington, olio was employed
on a critical and important foreign service, and
none preterit to insist for him, treat him sad his '
exploits in the manner he had done. In Spain,
there was no rashness whatever—(Harty! Hear
Let any one read over the letters, which were the
only documents on the subject, and they would
find, that, in the advance from Plasmas, and
in the defensive position token up at Talavera,
it was not Lord Wellington's intention to pro-
ceed further. into Spain. He was hot asto-
nished there should be rashness, when he consi-
dered the effect on thy public mind, by the daily •
prints, a. it required more courage to rcuisiu
in it jildir!Otiv position, than to whence to
Both Sir John Moore and Lord Wellmtomi miga,t
have advanced, against their own cool jild4isielits,
from thinking of whet might be the °pillion of the
people of England. hlany lives had been 10.. t, and
many would be lost, from such impress i.e. 11-I,lg
made on the minds of Generals. In Spain and
Portugal we had met no disgrace. The worst
that could be said of Tat was, that it was
imprudent; hut the term disgraceful was sure-
ly inapplicable. But even the former term could
not. in his opinion, he justly used. From the
Spanish a:couuts, and from Soule. Report to Jo-
seph Bonaparte. it appeared that there were only
two points which admitted of doubt : First, what
degree of trust was doe to the Spanish armies ;
arid, seconeile, if it would not have been better for
our army to have secured the pass of Banos. It cer-
tainly did appear, from Sir R. Wilson's afterward*
defending this pass. for nine hours, against the rem.
hissed armies of Ney and Souls, that it might have
been an important poet, between their armies, in our
poesession. But there was no disgrace to the army
in all this. Lord Wellington, and the force under
his cninniend, had done all the Speech stated ; they
had driven the epetny from Portugal, in the brit
)cant affair of the Douro, end they had preiented
kis further progress in. Spain. He referreetto the
map for the truth of this; and concluded by ex.
reseal; his satisfaction on the expectation held
out in the Speech, that a good understanding might
yet be preserved with America, as her Minister had
expressed as amicable disposition on their pert,
which was met by a similar feeling on ours.
Sir Joint Swinges thought that the Ministry
was iocom palest, at the mine time that he wee willing
to allow the honesty of Mr. Perceval. Any man
who supposed that the expedition to the Scheldt
would succeed, omit have looked at • very different
map of Europe from that which presented itself to
him. With respect to the battle of Talavera,
glorious as it was called. he would offer a few
words. No man gloried more than he did in mili-
tary excellence ; but there were two kinds of mili-
tary excellence—that which the soldier exhibited,
and that which the general displayed. The soldier
manifested himself in hie strictness of discipline.
his patience timid fatigue, and all the privations to
which his situation subjected him ; amid those evi-
dences the British soldier had displayed. With re-
spect to Lord Wellington, he did not mean to dis-
pute his talents, hut he could not agree in the admi-
ration which was generally expressed of the laurels
he had gathered at Talavera; in his opinion, dry
were barren laurels, or rather the water of the lau-
rel. which was Mit...mess itself. He was willing to
give the Right Honourable Gentleman every
credit for his loyalty, hat he did not consider
him entitled to asclamer claims. He believed
that the word was prostituted, whenever it was
applied in such a sense; that no man hal a
right to identify himself with Majesty ; nod that,
whenever the attempt was made, it was as injurious
to the King, whore it intended to sepport, as to
the coustiention, which it certainly violated. He
was of no party ; but he thought that the country
respired a strong administration, and that it had it
not. The people were taxed to the last farthing.
and had a right to know that it was judiciously and
honestly applied ; and he considered it a duty
which he owed the country, to concur in the re-
inovill of His Majesty'. Ministers from office.—
Stone allusions had been made to an illustrious
Statesman, now no more; he conceived that it was
owing to him that he had now an opeortunity of
appe3r.ng in that place, or possessing an acre of
Lind on which to set his foot. He did oat court
popularity, hat he thought that the loss of mil-
lions. and the destruction of the British forces,
which had taken place on the seeds of Holland,
should not pass without inquiry. If these senti-
ments were nut the sentiments of a wise inan, he
thanked God, they were those of an honest

.......
General Terms:cots said. that though the Hon
(lentlemen ha.l talked of 'intuit/menus operations,
the army was not calculated to admit •f operations
of that description. As to the losses we had sus-
tained, in consequence of the weather, the Minis-
ters ought to have known that such must have been
the consequence, and provided •geinst it. There
were many exploit. in iiiiitory with which 'l'll
could not compare. It might be wrong to condemn
all officer in his ahsence, hut. is he deli,. red his
sen-
timents in the pre•euce of mail of the friends of that
officer, Its thought he was exempt (ruin such a
charge. It wit,' ci 'dent. from Sir A. Wedesley's
dispatches, that the army was in w int of forer,,e
and food ; iu such • c.isr, was it not injudicious to
!tad on the army. H- dd net upon 014, or upon

the former night. attribute discredit to the Britiwh
arms, but he did intend to say, jrith respect to Bri—
tish (;enerals, that they were usher di. grace. which
nothing but a trial could retrieve. lie would not
trouble the House silty further upontlie presellt
casion, as filmy opportunities would occur. in which
'he could express nis sentiments, perhaps a ith Altera
propriety.

On the motion of Mr, Peaces's!., that the Ad.
dress should be rend • second time, Mr. Watts-
1111114D rose to more an amendment. Ile said, that,
in the course of what lie had offered last night, he
did recommend reconotaical reform ; he recom-
mended it then and at present, because it apparel'
to him that the subject was taxed altotott to the
•mount he could endure, and that some method
of retrenchment would be adopted, in justice to the
country at large. Ile meant most past:culaily to
apply his observations to the Right Hon. Gentle-
man, now Secretary of the Admiralty, and incase,-
ly belonging to the Committee of Finance. He
believed the declaration of that Gentleman, 1111410
livered on the last night, that he would endeavour
to learn his duty. He feared, however, that in his
survey of the different matters for his observation,
he would not see the necessity for Parliamentary
Retort's. The people, he thought, should have
every encouragement, under the present unexam-
pled weight of taxation, and alien not only the
weight, but the very system, was contradictory to
the Constitution. He therefore should propose hie
amendment, and he thought he had sufficiently
guarded it to prevent all objection. His amend-
ment was, that, in justice to ilia Majesty's sutjects,
they should adopt every ate•ns to lighten the eys.
tern of taxation under which they Inhoured, ■odd
apply the principles of recononiiciii Reform, which
were at the same time consistent with the welfare
of the state, and gratifying to the feelings of the
luuutry.

Mr. PERCETAI. saw no necessity for the propissea
Amendment. After what His Majesty had elemidy
deaared in the Speech, it ors entirely sapeellestrtes;
hilt the e awl strunocr reason even than lisle icor
oliptiginag it ; it would have a tendency to mere ex-
pectations in the pzople„ which it won't' net be
possible to gratify. He sew no necessity, haled
he saw no good that could remit from throiriai
kind of censure over the coilectiou of the revalue.
• thing en necessary to the support of our Cambia-
tion and laws: He hoped the House was* are this*
the Government was *treade sefficiently jusitareil
to retrenchment, without respiring the lisemality
of any further direction. .l'pos the epteetion df
Parliamentary Reform, he thought it wrong to liMel
the country into an expectation at more thee could
be dour.
Mr. Poesoese could not agree in what t e
Right lion. Gentleman had jost repented ;
Amendment of his Right Hon. Friend had' s° c
sexiou whatever with the war ; it was neees4
question of economical reforip, cad, as seek..
entitled to equal consideratioe. whether ie sv
',rem; he did not think it calculated to give -
reasonable expectations to the people; it:
went to *edge She Ileum :to such salt)
form, as was consistent wirbjhe teal and gota
interest of the State itself ; he therefore. could
no weight in the objection of the Right Hon. Gem.
tlernan. Tuesday night they heel debia-d, other
measures; they had passed an Address without are
sentiment, such as the present; it was accordia
incumbent on them to adopt it new, if the master
appeared to be such as was essential.
Mr. B. BATHURST conceived that as there was
already a committee appointed upon the seideet to
which it referred, it was unnecessary to pledge the
House to an opinion upon the subject. An allusion
had been made, in the course of the debate, ties if
lion. Relative had received • Peerage front His
Majesty, in consequence of his services; but he
could state to the lion. Baronet, that, et the time of
his retiring from his Office, he refused a higher
honour than that which he had since obtained, and
also refused all objects of pecuniary gratifications
in the shape of place, or pension, or reversion.
Sir FRAMED BURDETT said. that he 11A Salt to
learn what the claims of the Hon. Gentleman were,.
to all the dignities F.c had received.

Earl TIMPIA did not wish to excite the people
by any extrsysgant hopes ; hut ne diet not think it
too much for the Parliament to pledge itself • pea •
subject of such vital concern.

Mr. WEIAILTOO observed, that he had never given
the House to understand that he was ignorant of the .
duties of his office. lie certainly admitted, that he
mast appear to great disadvantage, after the Gentle-
man who had immediately preceded him ; but he
had pledged himself, and would pledge himself
a,tain, to all that industry which was necessary to
improvement. With respect to the situation w...els
ha held in the Committee of Vioance, be c“uld
inform the Honourable Gentleman, that he had ne-
ver set his voice against economical reform. He
never objected but to one resolution, that which •
went to deprecate sinecure places. He was a (Nitwit
to economical reform, as far as it could he effected,
consistently with the security of the Crown.•
Mr. D. Baowx defended Mr. Wharton. and
agreed in the propriety of regulatini the finance
by the strictest rules of economy.
_ _

Mr. J. SMITH thought, that. in as exptmditare of
70 millions of money, or some sadi sum, it ova.
Natural enou•~r, from what they had seel, to suspect
that there was a want of retinal:Hy is the ept•lira-
lion, lie did not conceive that it would be u.t
to shew that there was great extravagance. Ile
thought it, upon every account, impa;..n• to refuse
the amendment for which he should vute.
Sir A. PIGGOTT would sate fur .the ResolutioN
from an opinh,n that it would he of massiittage to
tho country, for surely it would be of isdraiit,ar,
to assure His Majesty's sultjects that economy
should be observed in the administration el those
resources which they so liberally grantiM. it ap.
peered, that no further inquiry would liholy Its
made into some of the most important points. The
present amendment he therefore considered as an
■llevtatton of that disappointment *lnas the Ilnti•e
must expertence.

The House thee divided. when there oppr*rtd
For the Aisoothrooot
Against it . ...

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