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On the mullein tif Mr. BATlltallT, the Repo' t the fie.
eret Cannentire urns priv.de Weise.. .tam tali,' wt., 6,i'',
runideration, and dee Rea.lut luso were &geed to, and made
hianateg tirWern.

Adati.vral anetit hinveht ia • Bill fur ene,m,....•• lug the
Ta ablit and proti cline the Masters mot Appren-
tices is that serrate fr,..0 Lu nig impressed. It was read a
first .init., and ordered to be read a oseond time on Thursday
nest, and printed.

Mr. BIN': presented a Petition against Itie Cltadrell
Tons Bill, whirls was online! to lie on the taii,c. lie also
pstsrt.led a Pismoo trust' certain ppes'►►'ssons opphing for cost-
pet • diet' fret. the ('stater• Duch compass,.
Alter some costecisotion between the Speakir,
Mr. Shaw Lefeere, lair James (:tibia, Sir Charles Proce,
amid Sir T. Tat ton, it was a.;yed that the sabject .liouid he
taken at. eenstikrattuu uu the thud seethe; of the Bill,
which Wig tippet:or.' far
I be Lords' mint ailments ha the Gas Light Bill were takes
Iwo Consider...ion, aaJ armed to.

Os
tLe notion of Si, W. CURTIS, the Report on the
Thames Ni.;tration Bat, was taken into farther runaukr.
soon, and ihr anotidunenia nreed to, wit! ortkred to be
enaropord.

Mr.
Foveae moved fur as mecomat of the Fir 4 Fruits is
IreLtedr and the statesman ef t►c Trusters of First Irene.
Agreed tn.

Hoo. Mr. WAR. " That a Mesratc should
be oast to the Lord% to request rermissius attrod
Sore of erstaio Lords at tit. I "osbutitirt *putt Stave Not
(Mee. "—Agrezd lu.

Mt. TOI.TIVILII.T.:OI7I4t is a ddl far raissmg 216,4001. IT
Tetralogy Bills, fur the orrice of In.l.aud. K. ad a karat Mao,
sod ordered lo be read a secoad toot
The Lod lodiaCtlhlp3l”.l. Shippillt h.J aalread a second
time, sod Orderni I. be routiodtell
71.• Woollen dill, 11. e :.e..fwrrd!ard Usher" Bilk sad
Illeiyhead Ilarbuar Balt, tat,e rtad each a Mini time. •abil
P4inea-

Mr. %Timing• postponed the Comensittes ma she Careii
deed Fula{ nvxt •

ler. Ferran rmtponed the furt►r, cousiatesties of the
Irish ruse BA

Tire Irish Ligis.housr Bill west throlliti ■ Committee,
aid the report was ordered to be weir... Liu Thursday.
The COSMIC-IMMIX of the Eaeur.rar es purposed the
&ether corridors's@ rd tire harem, decimate Bali to
1 hursday. _

The bah *amp Duty, aid the Irish Poomae wend
throsats t'verawattces, and the repel., .ere .rdereal to be re-
et mid is-auarreee.

Mr. JohrtoOW, from the (H per of the nth( %retrial') foe
Ireland, presented itecooors of thr imetwase
sir the Dut our I ..rriagre.—rtnlew ti to I. on the IJble.
The Irish W.1.d.0r Tan, the irrob ti,.
Irish Cus!oin• Usq, sad the Irish Malt Dm) 13.11", urul
'toroth Committees, sub the rerun* were otdtted to be re.
Cris e.l to- aw•rrow.

.1 Mewl.* firm Ibe Lords siguilnd their agreement to
see• ral Private hilts.

sn Jowl" Nrwt•Ofti withdrew Isis isteeulc 1 ....Alio*, re.
slier guy; tbr /11.sliee Ps) as he Itilott I hat the
a. Cse.+l• of IL! 1.0 dear. a re not oi• He e•-
re, • 4.1, et (be 'aloe burr. sdet.7miniti.m L. rrnrwr.
..et IS the taseisg:Sessiss, tf it. In ware aot I like,' to stu.!tt

•
I: IC !It rll,
at k vAixsti ga.r tMtia, dot be tior!J move. to-

morn w, to, the aeneeet it the num is pouevelue of Go.
‘erutaeut, ar Druils of Admiralty.
AlX.VUlkr VP EXPENDITUKE.

Sir T. Ten•r'tt hoped, that Ills Mayesty.'s Mi-
meters would agree in the inotiou he woe Nitwit to
make. The clieerfulneps manifested by all cleverip-
' twos of pi ople, to meet the exigencies of tne time.,
must have been observed, and approved of by all,
and the expediency of gratifying them site 1411
Count Or tat' rapesidiiure, was a measure, which, he
trusted, would not find many opponents. it *as
his intention to move, that before the House shonid
proceed to grant the supplies of the succeeding
year, an account of the expenditure of the pretest.
lug one should he laid before Parliament. This
would bate thaeffeet of ;voiding the House in the
amount of the grant, and also of satisfying the
people us to the lust and careful applicutiou of it.
He had heard it suited, that it would he impossible
to snake up the accounts in time; hut ha was der
sirous to hear in what tile innioatiihdity consisted;
beside., as he had worded his motion, he thoright
that the great force of that objection Vas done
away. Hr had a document in his hand, which, he
thought. would justify bis motion, and sbew that
the principle for which he eoutin•ied was already
established in the Irivh Parliament. (Here he quoted
a motion of t 092, sod au ( order of the flow* of the
year 1779, directing that an avcoont of the eXpUlt.
diture of each yearidinuld be bud before P.:I Hl-
(twat. previous to the grout of Sapid?), Wil.i it.
Speet to auy saving to lie expected, he was ti" are
that it was not to be looked for in the naval and mi-
litary t,tablishin,•nts. Tile principle upon which it
should be coeiluetei was t hat of diminishing thu pay-
ment of those who did nothing; in order to give it to
tiro.- aho dal. Ile aas prifectli. aware that all parts
of the yetiev egientliture conk not be laid before
them in the time UMW d in his motion ; the ex-

proses sof the army abroad could not be ;nuanced.
(Jut that went only to 'hew, that such a port s!iould
not be included hi his motion, not that the motion
should be altogether abandoned. He concluded
with storing two resolutions: the find deducing' it,
necessary- to enable the House to form a competent
jitagatelt of the supply to he granted in every aye-
eyrjing ye,,r, that it should be made acquainted
with the expenditure of the preceding. The second,
otakiitg it an Order of Mr House that a ,tateuieut
of the accounts of every Tea/should be laid before
them, up to the 10th of *February.
Mr. Finercrt mid. that, as the lien. Baronet had
alluaed to the practice of Ireland, be wished to
inform him, that, crest iu the confined system of
accounts of ,hol coor.try, it was found impassible
to art up to the principle : thy ifitput•-itultly would,
of cOuNe, stil strong-r, when applata to the
more eat scuie of Gr.-at Britain.

Mr. G. Ruse maintained that the motion was
intpractireile: the aernmem could nut be uni:te up
in the tune prtscrihril; and it twat with the 4 rralr.t
dill eulty they were prepared aga:nat the eith of
March.

Mr. PETER. Monte thought it of the greatest
importance to look so the expenditure of the coun-
try, under its present circumstances. The best
cheek upon prodigality, would be punctual and
timely aeconots ; a 'system. which, if it had
been acted upon from the beginning of the war,
would have saved the tawdry 1.01x0,0001. lie
was desir.ins that the sane principles should be
applied to the public affair*, that were ■p-
aed to the affair. of individuals. l'ecMation
had been is regular system fur the want of it.
It was with meal in office as it was with servants, if
they were •too much trusted. thew would he too
tartlets, and too !valise of what did not belong to
them. it was hi. interittom before the Session
closed, to notice ;ell the instances of the suppression
of justice, stinting from she present syst, so. At all
events. he hoped that the acconoto would be sup-
plied aa far as was practicahle. %Ikea he was in
the Government of a foreign comitry (inclip). they
were sop initiate to this respect, that they had the
accounts bremght hy torch-light and beat of drum,
when it was neer:unary to adopt those means to beep
off tigers ; how then could they refuse to adopt a
measure so eieces.ary. under eircuinaances so much
mot: favnitrottle here

The tuCRI LOR of the ExcuFQl7ll thought
it utterly impos.thle to comply »all the motion.,
anti contended, that the present system answered
all practical purposes.
Sir T. 'Cuero's, in relay. observed, that he
asked foe the account', only at far as thee could
be made up; and. with respect to the difficulty
complained of, ti it was necessary, he had no ob-
jection to the appointing of more persons. in order
to meet the greater expenditure of the country.
The [lntim then divided, when there appeared—
ror the toot: Jn as

Against it on
Minority
I.OK D Lt'6tSl Et'.
On liking re-admitted. we found Mr. ‘VITIT-
IlaaD on his leas. puttithr *Gine questions to Mr.
Swint. upon the .itl•jvct of the petition against the
return of Lord • Dorsley. Ile isi.!l,ll to know.
whether the Ilan.- Cvlilemin h 6,1 received the
!mention directly from the petittone...? and whether
it was his intention to halo* it up with any motion?
Mr. Skate said, that he felt it his duty to present
the petition to the House on application hsiug made
to bins ref that purpose. The moment he received
it. lie fininil I'on it wits of euch a nature a, r -quires!
to he IWO t• !14 MATI to t'ir family before-hand ; ac-
coirtnig,y he I-red a coinninnscation with a Noble
Lord upon the sohject, who adsised him not to
prosent at. lie certa:tily should have heel. happy
to eci,cipty with the easier, Sr it was accompanied
with soy enhstatitial reason, lie ofteranirds had
another sommutitrat iiiii with his l.nrdstii;s. and
Mr. Seiratit 164, the latter of whom informed
him. that it was such n petiti4n, as he could not
prrseht. Unnotivinerd the reasoning of either,
Ise had come forward in compliance with his duty,
but without any personal Imbue or hostile
lit presentiag the petition, lie had stated
utethin4 of 11w allegations coot:until in it. lertri/i
dssirotoi to avoid eerily thiug which might affect
the feslitilrs of the Noble Family to whom tune-
lated. Au I lent. Judge hum holm had disapproved
or his conduct. in eresentisig the petattrha ; that a as
all he meld c,tllrLl from his speech, and the so-
phistry to which hi. had resumed.
A letter truth 1.0r41 Dursky wan read to the
!louse, pitying, that ht was is, atteuclatiee. in con-
sepeence of 1.10 Petitsah; that we a.se authonsal
by !lie fattier to sa, th,t he tr4s so::, and

heir to hftittelt anti title. fle CONItI
lood4l tla. if be thought prop, foel'nst
wool& d housell au. clinch butt by the oinput
lie eeltoe I.tit:h a ',tett, ro-9-rviit{ to
tore day the propfa fist lie Coul,l 1.1..:1111Ct to Mr
- .
Qt. his legitimacy.
Mr. Vl'itlizavta° rape ited his qurstisn, t
whether the Pet tionrr: tlietupelve., or smile
them. had delivered toe Petition to toe Vito.
Gentleman ?
Mr. SWA% maid, that it sat delivered to
a Freeholder of the county of Gloucester,
large property.
Mr.ll'straar an wished to know whether
an, of the Freedieuders woe Lail visaed Jt
Mr. Ka N mug objected AL7III flst
Member :Is to the toautter io which he came
petition which lie telt it 1110 duty to retirLt.
Ale. W. WYNN thought it cuatpetrist
Member to put a questtou, with a vies to a.,
whether the Meinuer presenting n pet:ben
that it cattle from the pereons whose nowt,
signed to it..
The SeLvits° thought the rule in such
was, that the Member should he a!,:e to „,n-
-liered that it came from those ie.liose mew
signed be it ; but God forbid unit His ilia
subjects, who es ere situated in a remote pen,
be prevented from petitioning for the tett
viev.tae-a, wail their band-writing we,
taileti fwd their identity proved.
Ge.teral .N Eltnt4AM a tuke a few words, hoi
low v tone, that we could not bear him.
Sir June ANSTaI: Malt defended what
said on the former- and wished to
whether the Hon. Grioteinem meaut to aces
the petition with any motion?

Mr. SWAN said, that he did not think it
gory to go into tine milegrtions of the petition.
The questio.i fur resuming the adjourned
was then put and carried. -
Mr. SWA■ then motet!, " That the pet
should he on the tattle."

Ste S. Itoutt.r.tr wished to know whether
the Ann. Gentleman's intention to support 1
Itwajtitinv?

Mr. SWAN o:rrierved, that when the petition
on the table. it would be at the option of the'
to dispose of it as it thought proper.
Sic Rivet Ltir put it is tlie.Horne, witetl
would, allow the petition to Its on the table, wit
taking any step. upon it? The yffeet w;il
sought to produce, was the Nation of a Al-t
but the House was ant to advertise for viitnet.
If they Considered the situation in winch they
p!ace theinselvrs, by receiving this
jaArsain:leal eiey could aleterasine against iL
allowed, that a Nlember should present almost
petiiion,. but lie should be furnished with fa
aud evidences upon 'which to proceed. The Nob.
Loral commuted had taken the only pout which It
became him to take : bring received by Hu Ns.
jest{' as the heir apparent of the Earl of Strte!e!:
having that dependence upon the arracuye!
father, and the virtue of his mother. ohiei
natural he should poisen. he thould not bare pot
any ether qualification them that nine which
the elector* of Gloncesiter had already acted.—
'Would the !loose think it proper that the
Lion alsonlet lie en the • tehle. in order to be held
in terrereas over him ? for there were no pores&
ings tothellovr : there was no one sails wo 1d pktge
IMUI.t. If to substantiate the facts alleged. Tienw
did not rouse within the Geenville Act ; sad atoll
the Howie think that merely became it was pine
the 'hype of • Petition, and because his dal
obliged a Member of Parliament to present
they were c dlyd upon to receive it ? If suz't
principle wus estatalasiletl, every man, who had is
ligaity enough, 'night make the Home of Coto
mons a vehicle for hi- pritate acreage, acid desire,
through its instrumentality, domestic peace Id
conjugal happiuess. Ile hoped the motion load
not be agreed to.
Mr. KENRICC thought that the Petit:on rheol
lie on the table, and the Petitioner, be then card
upon to prove their allegation,. He beheirill3
Counsel were iu seediness to defend them.

Mr. TIERVT observed. that nobody voleheil
for the petitioners, iiiiy farther than to say shut they
were Freeholders of Gloucester. He did not bee
litre a single killable in the petition ; and he be
hewed that the object of the Petitioner. was to de
atroy the domestic peace of a family, aKainst •hoa
they were prejudiced. The time of the chcLra
was the time to have beettieht the charge. He ""
jected to minding the question to a Committer ei
Privileges. as it was one which belonged pertly 's
the Lor.k. Ile knew that it was the wilds oft a
Noble Family, that the question should go .7•;
but he did not think it unreasonable to ask, im
some Gentleman should pledge himself to P 01
with the petition.
Mr. Rose was sorry that ever the petition :-.;.1
bees. brought forward in the shape it sa#. 11.2
thought it might more isroprrly hebe cella t.) I :
decided under the Grenville Act. #
Sir J. A eirrierentlit was Sgairot the petv.A..
lying on the table. %Vas any Gentleman prenir^t
to move for the Speaker's Warrant, which sr
veinary to enforce the attendance of wituesses
was near the end of the Session, and he could coil•
ceive no grosser act of injustice than would be dor.
to Lord Dorsky, were it allowed to come to a de,:
without some decision on this subject. Ile se;
madverted on the mode in which the petition "
supported ; and contended. that sinless some 31i z•
her would take upon him to state that the pee'
tioners would proceed further thin merely to Prods, 'e
the documentary evidence alluded to in their a! .f .
gallons. and prove that Lord Donley was set
legitimate 501 s of the Earl and Countes• of BC."
111. the petition ought to be rejected. He Um
Ow paciies (or not batiste bro -Nat the quest:ou
iron.. where withers," could be examined on CA"
and fur not calling for Lord parsley's qualities"'
at the time of his election.
Mr. Mosaics, Mr. Tienuer, and Sir J. As
STORMER. mutually exploited.
Mr. BATNOROT we, of optnicm, that no legit"so:
object could be attain...l by the petition. hat t•-• •
ought do much harm. He wished the Hon. 6s2_,
eleulan who introduced it had beforehand sess°
himself that there wee authority to say the Pt"
timbers were prepared to proire the matt; of tl:,:r t..
11M4Im'si As It was, he must /mold a e.arr •
utifortanate thing that it shoolil be asked of tt. •
to lay an object of scandal upon dui, table, I. - •

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taken up whenever any person chose so to de, er
leave them in the dilemma of rejecting the petition
of the subject, which. were it only for alleging
that dicuinentary evidence could be produced, was
prissefacie deserving of bring entertained.
Mr. W. Wyss said, that on looking more into
the subject than be bad done previous ti It
discussion, be was now convinced, that, by the
ward di void," in the Act, it was not mecot that
the election should be void so MUM; and, therefore,
that the matter could not come before a Select
Committee. There remained, then, only two modes
of disposing of the petition—either by examining
into the truth of the allegations it contained et the
Bar, or referring it to the Committee of Privileges.
Th-- bnit of these modes was objectionable, on
count of the interruption it would gi -e to public
business. As for the second mode, though the
petition was cruel, And could answer no good pm..
twee, he could see no ground for refusing to submit
it to this species of consideration.
The SPSAKSR suggested, that if the petition
was ordered to lie on the table, it would be
po.ed of for this day, end no other step could be
taken upon it. If dispatch therefore was required,
it would be better it once to move for its being re-
(erred to the Com mittee of Privileges.
The SeLICITOR-GEXCIIAL was ferourelble to the
prt.tian's being received, and rent to a Commits
tee of Pririlegett, since it had been bronght for-
ward it iteiulh lie was sorry it had ever been
a4iteted, and condemned it as likely to produce no
good, and only create much inconvenience. But
their feeling, on the emesiou ought Dot to operate
it. rejection. For on what grounds amid they re-
fe-e a Petition. of which the subject matter was
petfretly roper, and the lengtiege correct ? He
owl I not saw tit to the doctrine laid down by some
Grids/urn. awl go into beforthand enppositiuna,
. h.thrr it would or would eat be folly proemeted ?
The Member elm presinted it ought to be re.
pared with et 'Menet to support the allegations—this
was the fair presumption; and online he was so, he
'mete to be severely censured for a misdemeanour
against the House: He proceeded to spew that
this was probable from the respectable names
of the solicitors indorsed. as the back of the Pe

The SPSAISCII heit iottrfvred, to remind the
Learned GPoilemasi, thia the House could telie
a• notice old* mots of any olieuts ou the back
of a petition.
The SOLICITOLCIIIIFItitt, resumed his st deo
mews, rod tog:nerd she propriety of 'coding the
Peictoss to • Cosusuittee of Priraleges selected (runs
thoft %ho—

The Ser.4aea spin interfered, to inform the
',earned Geutknolii., I:,nt the Howe could teen-
wee 1111 Comin;tter of I'm Trqes but t ler Commit-
tee of Priviiegta appointed at the toottioeutepseut
of tltr u:tion.

The SoLittrea-GenF.rat then cow-lofted by
=min.:. A, an sits.-bduivii.. eil'hait the Petition
should a referred to tlii,eommiiire."

Mr. elltNll7lo never fat wort difficulty in riun.
ingluarieciniass 111141-1614;44111.31. OWII on the per.
scut ; red the more s as hr&nisi an opinion (robs
she lii4h au: hurt v of the Learns Gentleman who
prereoled bini,auri the Hon. (;entlernanuu the ether
sWe.--(Mr. Wpm.) •'fire I•sactical question ow
this o:casket appeared to Lim to be, whether, trout
the respect due to Petitioners in general, they
woniil tooter into procer.ii lig., the result et which, it
Lau•ledged on nil hinds, could not be gratis-
facto,,? If their decision wss favestraWe to Lord
Pirisir-, it a utslii here no efeet ia the detenaina.
turn of 114 ; rod rf, utt the other hand, it was
adverse to him, it would go to prejudice Lois cause,
when it come before, the proper tribunal, Which
am: decide 01••• (IP.) Would they then
sesoolom to try this delicate and important matter, at
the
mperfect iuisde that could be imagined,
sa. tent wont of siO 'sensible species of evidence.
ra welt he bromtht to a definitive nate before
• regal sad cootopet,•iit Court? By declining to re.
stave the petitiing, nu riiihts of any individual would
be i..jarril, sue they wu..id escape all the intoner.
si-..ccs and evils with viii,tg its reception would
it u .ibrr them. Attother. thing sins to be observed,
r%ea rf the airgattni.s in the Petition were m ode
•

it wuttl.l net decide the ease. It would only
ht) grunod for strong inkreoce, but certainly
h'' lie coot lustre, as contradictory evidence might
tkewliere ex,N, which would invalidate that given
saiipet of tb pevtion. He waled "sk• too,
whatthe grierance complained of? Not that tne
i'ian•stoat es northe person prow. ly elected. but
1•. it fie hit iambi a btle winch did not belong to
lam. Ttii. must have been known to the par.
at the time of the election; and their
••• nos, not of any grievance our.
hy then,. Litt of a perrna's sitting. who was
x' 11. This appeared to hint
t the Iloube more than the Petitioners,
"Lo-v eh•,i..e of 1..,1 not WVn
the occasion. Out of deference to
- i'etitioners he would Isere toted for the Peti-
t,... Bing on the table; hat aoa. when the quer.
1..141 e;:ne to he as to going to trial. balancing
1140 acast..4 lie evil, he lutist vote loins rive:
1- • og to the excessive hardship of the close.
; the MO le of bringing forward the Petition.
Coe taus was thrown upon the liou.n,
I,•• the l'et,t nuero were enettlevl to .lug corno•
they were not entitled to any peculiar re..
tit from t e.u. The rejeetton amid be no hard-
. •an then, IS the question was of more interest
thank) the N4,11(414.1/, and, in the use
' t d Op. gave tire., he would %o'ir
•st Inc aareadturtit.
CPASicILLOR of the Exenroorft felt all
of tins caw. awl, could he bun's It a
Latic:
stile t. their dinettiou. he would agree rti.ly
Right Ems. Farad. But as :oak as the
r o'i the honk% it was due to the he/ of
laud to triune into the allegation. of tne p; •
tion. and he touhl not ;re how the flout, coold
•voiel ; be, tberelore, au ip,.eirr the ame,..l:nen, ;
id maintained that the Honar ought to act 111 th
'.^t :nee ate if the Crenviiie Act hat never existed.
Alt. Beaty StuTu thought lit. otattzr tali et.-
iurr Leh. %lain the discretion of the aid that
W-r, on, itotittd to pr•treetl o en?uplaint
*Tulle who had foregloe and neglecte ! their own
nmper opposttio.ties of Imaging the cinen.tion
1-f7r. h they rileeted the petition, any lien.
•

Alamber. bY a motion, might bring the matter be-
fore them iu a littler shape,
'Cie House then ulirtde.l, and thtre appeared--•
For rectifies the petition , 46
Agannit it 91
hlajusity —43

The petit trio, crtnseparutly ifrkeled.
PENITENTIARY FIOUS;;I.

Sir &NULL ItuMILLY rose to renew Lk motifs%
on this subject. anti as tli. re were ninny Gent:ernes
in the Wow, who were not present on the former
oceii-ion. he would repeat the statements he had
then male. ilt. o!.j..tia was to carry into exectr ion
that excel!ent design, viluzh was projected by some
of the best and most aide men in the country, of
erecting Penitentiary Hooses—separating the leas
derived Coln the sno:r hardened critionals, and
them religious cud Other instructions—toed
to provide for those retnriiing from transportation,
or other punishment. which tbrew them outcasts on
sotiety. 'the 'lmmutable and Learned Gentle-
man then scot over Ills former grounds, condemn•
lug the existing 811411 rs of poui•llitiellt, by promise
coons imprisonment on 'mar.' the hulks, in county
gaols, and by tranaportotion to Botany 114 v. Theme.
instead of reclaiming, corrupted and confirmed in
vice the unhappy delinquents who incurred amls
punishments. lit pennon:iced a warm rlllo4y at
the Irish Governineut for adopting the plan of
Penitentiary llote.ra, awl ti.ought, with such an
ezerepte of their benefici il effect, baore their eyes,
it would be an increase.' repro:lir:Ft to that or Eng-
land, not to relinquish that system which they now
SO dilladViAntolbtrOil%le !Meetly& lie el*/ instance.'
the example of America, rod of the to vii or Nuts
tiagliant. for the beueficial effects of the Penitem
tiary semen: ; and coin:laded by moving " That an
hennas Adelien. be presentsd to II a Majesty,
praying that be wool.' be pleased to Kite threcliOUO
for eurt)ireg so witch of Acts the 19•11 and 34th
of his reign into effect, as related to the erection
of Penitentiary Houses, &c."
Mr. Secret try RYDER +weed, in principle, gene-
rally, with the Hoa. Gentleman; but not having
been able yet to acquire the net-es:ore information
on the subject. he wished hint to withdraw his mor
lion for the present ; with floe narler.tanding, that,
esrly in next Session. a Committee should be up.
pointed to take into consul• ration the many inks
portant points couutcte.l a l it the prul:ssed altera-
tion.

Mr. Asaacafillita is4d, that in all the ergo.
meats of his Hutt. Friend (liosuilly) he had been
strongly 'mullioned l.y thme who twetelided to ob-
ject to the motion. All Ise asked of the Concern.
went was, that a urn mode of tost.i,lonent
be auloaituteil its the to.au of one which was cle.
aervedly the claject of univeraal condemnation,
and that that mink should he instantly earned trite
effect. lie war convinced, when the House consider-
ed the alarini:..4 circumstance of the ill treatment
received by am or acorn hundred persons; of the
cruel refte.al ni the practicability of improves's( it
and reform is t:ii• r live. ; he wet conymerd, in
such a cage, that the House would unanimously
concur iu the present motion. Upon the arrival
of convicts at Botany Bay, the inquiry ootscerning
thew) was not whether their crime. were enormous
ac-eeliriari, low la what VISUUVIr th could best
and mostadva;ttaAccoisly employed. In ttis ruse
the able artii.c, great as his crime might be, cottld
procure a eomlos tilde livelihood ; while the poor
labourer, who ini2ht hire coma:nett no greater
error than that of stealnig a goose, would be
doomed to the severest piatushintnt. Numbers
of frina:,s were also ininsported. end aufferod the
most unequal and unjust l uniahmente, without hav-
ingprevitm,ly undergone the lead probation. Many
of those woos:Iles were capuble of receiving ompre.-
noes of virtue and integrity, finin which berietit
they wire entirely exempted Ly the present systetu.
Mr. BaTISUItST tbout4lit there existed no neves-
shy for hurrying through the present question, or
the introduction of it next Session would answer the
purports for which it was intended fully newel'. He
conceived that she only thing wanted was the pledr
of Ministers, to take up the consideration of sue
subject early neat Session. He hoped the House
would insist upon this pledge, which he thought
witald be ratisfsetory to cll tomtits. _
. _ _

Mr. Wtbasarilimx enumerated the ben.-Bt.,
*violin from the Win suggtsted. He contrasted
the expenses attending the execution of it with
those attending transportation to New South
Wales. Ile deprecated the ...minus delays which
had Ulm place upon en. subject. The plan of
erecting pent tentisries had been successfully under-
taken at Dorchester. Oxford, and Manchester. ex-
ciusively. • He looked upon the system of solitary
imprisonment, when Judie:lowly aciMe.l. as of
most cautery couserpiencel medical regimen rut
Inc iniml.-41e would feel much regret if the mo-
' boo of his How. Friend was not instmily comiirred
io ; the WO:ltr the pr.-stilt stern was cisan;....l the
better. as the hardened sinters. would be then tits-
tinguislied. with rasp .1 in punishment. from the
raw and inexperienced reef-ntier.
The Settcrreti-Utotaitat. was happy that the
Oitizr.mces between I --If and the lion. 'Moser.
existed only in it.. mud. of executing the plan
which had been offered. lie advis.d, th it a Com-
mittee slintsitl he as there was muds
enlister-4' it.ittentattittai nt-renittry, isetcom they could
enter Han the sullect wit') propi.ely ; ..,;reed
in the urcew..ty fire nn lie reforniatiow of
clinic*, wiacts were a retc!'..t hto tic country.
Mr. %Vain/RCM) ehrt the prolosil
of a Cotisitill:Os we. of I: which went to the de-
struction of the islijoct iu tic.e. lie was for the
i7uniediate itJupttcht of the measure of his Hon.
Friend.

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conVerice in His Msjesty's• present Government
and, in the assurance given by the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Illy. Yorke). who pre-ides at the hend
of toe Admiralty, that be -would pay the most
'Monte attention to it. 'kitten entered tato a 'is w
of the opsoion ef Lord %rhino on Slit subject. and
said th. r. 11'4.• a u perosei's calestlatiosis he had more
respell for, or would more depend on, sod they
consented with those of Lod Melville. Bait ha
clotted, nine the sesorauCe that hail been given's.
that the floss. Mover would withdraw his mottos' ;
at the omit, tine lee thought hr deserved the thanks
of cottony for having tirougist it forward.
Mr. Huss; opposed the miaow ; not that he
thou-,;ht an arsenal was not necessary, but that the
measure shoisld be well coosidered, before a p-an
was proposed to the House. He could not agree th it
great improvements h 4 hot been madu in the
dock.yarits ; at Portsmouth yang the heaviest ship
of the hoe could be docked ; Plymouth harbour
WWI elm much improved; sod it WAS to he elitist.
dered whether the snot that twist be allotted fur an
arsenal lied not been better expended on the pulstic
yards ? He had given his winos' on this subject to
print; he would mt. therefore, at that late hour el
the sight, ricsiii the House by repeating it.
After roam olt.ervatious front Mr. S. OVID*/
and sir. Commit, in npoositson to the motion.
and Mr. W. Sum, in favour of it, Mr. SIIASPZ
replied. and 'signified his intention of not pressing
the House to as (In Won.

Tim cuseteicm terms thee pat,-amd twegstivett.
On dr.: mutton of Mr. the odjourt.el
dellate on the Irish Pension Limitation Bill, woe
postponed till to-morrow.
On the motion of Mr. Rost. the Home resolved
itself into a Committee on. the Foreign Timber
11.40141:oo
A <movers:mon took plarr lwtween Mr. Rose,
Mr. Creever, Lord .11.1 tam. nod Mr. Wibert..rce.
Thy flmi-e resumed, awl the Report was order.
ed to be rt‘r.itreil trsorturros.