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shire than by referring it to the Cemtnons. lalo ma-
terial inconvenience could arise even in the event of
the contingencies so often alluded to, and he trusted
the investigation, either with reference to the pri-
vate or public interests involved, would he proceed-
ed on with as little delay as possible. He should
therefore object to the motion.
Lord GRFN VILLE expressed his disappro-
bation at part of what fell from the Noble Se-
creetry of State, wlech, in a legal point of view,
involved a very objectionable proposition, as tending
to the trial of an individual twice for the same
offence, and for different ends and purposes. In the
particular circumstances of the present case, he
thought it desirable upon public grounds, as well
as being the mist regular and expeditious way, that
the Asir should originate in the other House. Such
a course of proceeding would, he insisted, in dif.
ferent points of vieve, be the most exp ditious mode.
He agreed it was merely a question of disßretion on
the pert of their Lordships ; but it could not be de-
nied, that a previous proceeding in that House would
convey a degree of prejudice to the minds of the
other Upon the whole, he deemed a short delay
of the proceedings highly proper under the circum-
stances of the case, and on these grounds he would
cordially support the proposition of the Illustrious
Personage.
Lord Viscount SIDMOU al agreed with the
Noble Lord, that the question under consideration
was one, not of right or privilege, but one of dis-
cretion. He thought it fortunate, upon a view of
the whole case, teat the proceedings originated
where they did. By the Standing Orders of the
respeaive Houses, which operated by virtual admis-
sion as a kind of! Parliamentary law, subjeks of a
certain nature properly originated in the one
House, and subjeas of certain o:her natures in the
other. All subjeas of a judicial nature, in par-
ticular, originated with their Lordships, which,
the acknowledged advantages which they pos-
sessed in these respels peculiarly qualified them
to entertain. On the ground of delay, he was par-
ticularly adverse to the proposition; at the end of
six weeks their Lordships, might fin f themselves
precisely in the same situation they then stood in;
but all that time would undeniably be lost to the
parties. With respea to the apprehended collision
between the two Houses, it would involve no far-
ther difficulties than the case of any other joint ad-
dress. And on the ground of expedition in particu-
lar, he was for persevering in the course already de-
term.ned.
Lard Gacevi Lee and Lord Viscount SIDMoUTH
severally spoke in explanation.
The question was again put, on which their Lord-
ships divided, when there appeared for the Motion
of the Duke of Clarence, 9--Against it, 36—Ma-
jority, 27.
IRISH HABEAS CORPUS SUSPENSION.
On our re-admission to the House,
Lord GRENVILLE was addressing their Lord-
ships upon this subjea. He adverted particularly
to what had passed on a former night, in coast-
ttuence of a Motion of a Noble Friend of his (Lord
king) now absent. He contended, that the species
of information required by his Noble Friend was of
great importance to seeable their Lordships to under-
stand the subject in question. It was right Parlia-
ment should know upon what conditions those who
were liberated from arrests were discharged; the
produaion required was agreeable to the prat:tic,
and usage on former occasions ; he was at a loss to
know upon what grounds that which transpired be-
tween Government en,: those whom they deemed
waiters or conspirators should be kept secret from
Parliament. However, the proposition originally
made by his Noble Friend had been qualified, so
as he thought would remove the objecllion then of-
fered ; and be should, before the other Order of the
Day was entered treon, move an Address to His
Majesty, that a statement of the conditions upon
which persons liberated from arrests, &c. should
be laid before the House, except so far as the same
may relate to information given, or to be given, re-
spetking any traitorous proceedings, &c.
On the question being put, Lord HAWKES lIU RY
observed, that what iw said on a former night had
been misconceived. He said that he knew of no
such conditions, not being aware of any proceedings
in the way of release to which they might apple
but his objeBion WAS to the prieciple of the Motion
in the manner it was brought forward ; and he re-
peated his conviction, that under such circum-
stances, and at such a time, to agree to such a Mo.
tion, may be produaive of consequences the most
dangerous ; neither did he approve the Motion as
qualified by the Noble Lord—it would involve an
admission of the fali, and its consequences in every
other tae would be nearly the same. Ihe specifi-
cation re luired by the qualified proposition was, in
effe.sl, liable to the same objeetions, it would imply
a degree of suspicion. as, with the other objeltioneble
consrderetions, would amount to as pernicious a re-
sult as the (rig'. al Motion certainly would involve,
and of which, he trusted, the common sense of their
Lordships would be sufficiently aware.
The Marquis of SLIGO supported the observa-
tions of the Noble Secretary. The disclosures al-
luded to mAy be cf a most destruetive tendeacy.
His Lordship allusled to scene cases, as a comeeposd-
once with the enemy, in which a disclosure would
be not only impolitic, but dangerous; and he ad-
verted to the case of Oliver Bond, the remission of
whose punishment might, in a certain point of view,
be sai I to have saved Ireland. The state of Ireland
was in general good ; yet, he thought the Suspen-
sion of the Wien Corpus Aft in that country,
with a reference to certain circumstances, a prudent
and politic measure.
Lord Gassy Lea shortly spoke in explanation.
The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that
lie was in the office of Attorney General when the
Habeas Corpus Aa was first suspended, and, though
fully convinced as he was of the beneficial tendency
of that suspension, yet, if such a disclosure as that
now requested had been made, be should have
thought it his duty, as speedily after as possible, to
have moved for the repeal of the suspension. It
would be better to let the present Bill expire, than to
agree to such a condition as that proposed. He
agreed with his Noble Friend as to the effeas of the
quelefication of the original motion, and the Noble
Lord, who had come forward, from his experience
to, that there could be
the beneficial cffeas
if such a condition

of the trinsaainos alladed to,
no degree of safety, nor could
of the su prmion be exeetted,
was attached to it.