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RECEIVERS GENF.RAL BILL

Mr. LUSHING ro Dr moored the Order of the Day fur the
third regain (brittle Bill, sad propooed as addittothd agree
to be added es a rider.

Mr. Alderman VI'POD coinpleleril of the imekse expense
incurred by this Bill, partienlarly when a pioposition bad
beer made by a Gmaliewiess (Mr. Berber) to collect ell the
taxes of Leedom awl Middlesex fur 1,6901. a-yeari whereas,
by rheirreent Bill, 'be coltecone would moms& I. 4 pow.
a. yes,. He should certaiely feel it his duty is take the
mere of thejleuse span It.
Mc. tvitti NGToPi said, there wee notirieg is the Bill
which could preclude the T ry ej airy future period of
as,diug themselves el the assistance of any Gentleman, if
there appeared • eeteesity. Therefore, it was not necessary
for the Worthy Alderman to dmide the House upon the sub-
ject.
Mr. HUME said, It had been utederelood ia the Committee
that noire should be •ppoinfrel lo other* except those
who would perform the duties perennial!: and if that were
the case, two iedividnals could be fusind to perform lb. duly
fully for %POOL a4rir•
Mr. P. hfOORB °harried to spy Act which had merely for
Its object 19 promote peirplisge. They were mute" their ae
!rearmed' iiker public, aid rliey should adhere to the m. 14
rigid perainsepy is disposing of the public tin,ney, and he
theretore hoped the Guverooleat would see the wisdom of
appuintlwg Mr. Barker, oho would perform Hie duty rho
I,liOel a year.
Mr. 1.4.! XHINGTON said, belled no hesitation to say that
the subject should get the must aeriour roorideration.
Mr. P. GILEN FELLisoped the Geoesaiment would adhere
to the pripeiple reeuram,ended is the Committer, of not a due-
hie the dpiy to be performed by Deputy.
Mr. SIONCB cutmiderrd this Bill the soucholona of the
sincerity of Geetieseen opposite a to retrenchment.

Mr. ildimpas W/JOLiiien witlothry b.. •rpostsiou, &nor
which ape MAI vastead Lhis toad hop Auld vassid.

BEER BUTAiL
Mr. at.olurnuto tow to azoira the •rder of the
day for the second reeding of the Bre► &Alga Bill,
and is arise so he begged to potted himself ogsaiist
Abe osprogition of Pot Pug ..y Itehtstslloo Os tltp '

Iwo great Ihtere•ta who were opposed 141 him.
consequence of the inereasisie badness of beer, the
cotiiiumption was gradeally dintiwialung, and con-
sequently a lesser quantity of barley was consumed.
But in the spirit of eared:me he was bound to my,
that Ibis was not wholly to be attribsited to the
twines. of the beer, foe time had of late been in,
traduced into the beer fin article of a moat &le-
tetious patine: lie did 'Lot mean the nez sootier',
or any of the other siaassous drags so generally
cotnplaiued of, but he meant the quantity of tax
which had been intrt.diated two the firer-.-(;t laugh)
--sand which was hiniaelltis to every man in the
conituunty except the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
—(Mach laughing.)—Hr had in support of this Bill
the entire population of the country, except the
two great interests, of whose weight both within
and without the walls of Paritament he was folly
seosible. But it was fig the woi kit% classes of the
commaiiity that he appeared an advocate st the
her of the House. Oat et every 50a. teed on this
article by the poor minim; oat* SOi. were paid by
the rich country gentleman' of 40,0001. a year, if
indeed such a malt could he found ; but while he
only paid eos., the poor artless), who did not earn
in the year 40.000 pence, was compelled to pay
MI shillings, for the rich man, who could affoi4
to brew his own private beer, was exempt from a
corviiderable portion of this onerous duty. As
the law now stood, it might perhaps be well to
state that no mail could retail sirortg beer in any
quantity ender live gallons, unless lie had it regular
publican's license. Satan beer he was allowed to
sell, and if the language could sfford any word
more expressive of diminutive than small, it should
beapplied to that commodity.—(Much laughter.)—
The consequence of this was, that the peasantry
sod tradesmen of the country were driven to that
utast pernicions article, gm, which he considered
the capital flaw in the morals of the people, and
his Honourable Friend (Mr. Buxton). who ap-
peared on the other side of this question, must
adduce some substantial sabkitute foe that many-
headed monster, the gin-shop.—(Hear, hear.)—He
admitted that where monopoly had once been
given, there was is vested right, which, as in the
case of the East India Company, ought uuly to
be withdrawn at the end of the period stipulated.
Where the Waiiutioly was 'the effeet of mettle's',
subsequently atflositted by lies, there ought to be
large notice given to the parties to escape out of
the situation into which the law had inveigled
them. But lie denied that there was any such
right given or allowed by law as a monopoly of
the trade in beer to brewers end public-house
keepers ; it had arisen entirely from a miscon-
struction of the law by the Magistrates, who had
unintentionally created this two-fold monopoly.—
It was idle to talk of preventing tippling by keep-
ing down the number of public-houses. A man
did not go to tipple because there were three houses
in a village. there was a Imllcient inducenseut in
one. The effect of the system had been to give so
entire a monopoly, that the only competition left
was between the brewers, who were great capitalists,
and by having the entire command of the channel
of communication with the public, they were able
to lay their heads together to make beer as cheap as
possible—gradually to diminish the quantities of
malt and hugs used—and the result was a liquor to
which he would apply 110 hard names whatever—all
lie would may was, that no longer could they boost.
like the hero of the comedy (be hoped he might yuote
so humble an authority ivanswer to the weight of ar-
gument which had been and would be brought against
him)—he mean; Burriface, adio seed he could eat
his beer. drink ibis beer. eleepf upon his beer. and
(he believed) elothe, himsellit—(Laughter )—He
enlarged upon the !amenity of securing to the
public the hest article m the lowest price, unit the
advantages of enabling the people to return to the
good old constitutional beverage used by thorn. fore-
fathers. He commented on the immoral and de-
teriorating effects of gin 'twit the population, and
concluded by moving the second reading of the

-• Mr. F. BIJITON agreed with his Flom end
Learned friend so long is he confined the effect
of his invective to the taxation which burdened the
poor with all expense of 30s. on the quarter of
malt. Hot he dreaded the efforts of the Bill.
which would ruin 50.000 persons, brewers and
publicans, cud destroy thirty millions of capital.
He knew that the brewers were generally obnoxious,
and by no means epos' to cope with the ogricultu-
rists nn this question. 4ut he prayed the House
to separate and consider 11th more tenderness
the case. of the puhlicans.. He described the
merits of that body . generally—their patient
and mnyielding economy while amnosing their
money in ureic's'. and the frugality with winch
they' emsuaged 'after etotsorknoir in business.
Hit thonlit that the Home should.not lightly re-
l.:Ave en the ruin of a vast number of well-ordered
familirsof this description, who bad been induced
to invest their property under a system of ionise'.
morial usage, for he ossiajtained that the sale of
beer by license was a very old part of the law.
The Hon. end Learned Gentleman who had col-
lected the law fur the information of the Com-
mittee found one deed of as her back as Henry
The law goo it stood was enacted in Edward VI.
He had a license in his possession a few days ago
grunted by a eitigen of distinction, once a Member
of that Haase, Praise God and Bair Bones; The
house hod remained a 1,414 re-house from the days of
Praise God sod Bare Howe till upw, in the days of
the Hon. hlembor opposite (as we understood, Mr.
Lock hart.) (La u ghtr r.) —Considering the pro.
perty of these persons us roiled rights, he contended
for the gesierel rule of law, that they were not to
be deprived of them soder pretense of public Oa.
rentafee without first rasoirtertsturg them for titer
loss, As well might they apply the doctrine of ad.
ve utege to the pyblyc debt, for it yndoubtedly ws,u Id
be a great cosoystnience to the Feeble! to eboltals 'het
debt. Bet this systemi was Act new; it had
exited before, and the evils of a had mode
f-exieietare iotroduce the tjetew of lisetuses,

He reed a notice which was stuck tie et
one of the drinking *bops, inviting pmsenite.s to get
4' drunk for Id., slid drat drunk for Bd.—Straw for
nothing." He quoted the words of Lord Meths.-et
in the diecomion on the Bill respecting the evils
df retailing shops erahlished in eve', village
through the country.—(Mr. Brougham asked if it
wits beer that they were preveeted from *Alibi
Mr. Buxton said, " apirits.")—(Hear, hear.)—He
did not studerstend the import of the cheer. He
admitted that the snide then in question wee spi-
rits or gin, but he considered that the argument
was the (ltar. He hid a stronger reason to argil
shun all the rest—the lateness of the tie.slon; for,
according to the Hon. and Learned Gentlemen,
Bill passed in July was vynotiimous with injustice
and oppression.
Mr. BROUGHAM esplained. His remark on a
former night was in relation in Bills brClagla in late
and passed throughout see silentio.
• Mr. Huseissom admitted that it Gee fete in the
Sessidrto proceed with a Bill which wookl affecteci many persons ; he, as • friend to the principle
of the Bill, would advise its poster-x-meet till fleet
Stsaioa. Hr protested apiaitt the interpretation of
the law hy the Hon. Member fur Weininioh, and
his assumption of vested right—equal in validity to
the dividend of the fundlrolder—to that which wee
only en accident revolting from the application of
the police law of the country, as if it had always been
and must always remain the custom, contrary to the
interestsof heti tnide. to et:wipe% the sale of beer by
monopoly. At this rate * bridge could not be
built, because it would interfere with the vested
rights of boatmen. He was convinced that some
measure was necessary to enable the public to get
a supply of good wholesome beer from other houses
than those belonging to publicans and hrrwrre. He
'had not any appreheutuon of the ruin of 50,000 men,
not thedestruction of airy capital engaged in brewing,
which might be as profitably employed in brewing
after the trade should be thrown open; on the con-
trary, he thought some such measure would im-
prove the comforts of the people, and increase the
consumption of barley and good beer, to the exclu-
sion of gin. He considered the great improvement
in the habits, health, cleanliness. and morals of the
lower classes in the metropolis, to be chiefly owing
to the comparatively diminished use of ardent spi-
rits among them. Hr contended for the priqciple
of the 801 l on behalf of the public welfare and that
of the revenue; but he recotnieended present post-
ponement, and that time should he given to enable
those interested to urge every argument which they
could reasonably suggest fqr retaining the tuotio-
poly.
Mr. Aldermen WOOD opposed the Bill on behalf
of 40,1)00 publicans, 4,000 of whom were among
his coustituente. He denied that the public could
be supplied with better beer out of the shops than
the publicans could sell them. He wished to ask.
with doe deference, how the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman would like to hare the Court* of Justice
thrown open to the enemies and inferier agents of
law to plead yet this GAS a cn.tom to be justified
by practice, for it prevailed, however inconvenient-
ly, in Cornwall. He did not believe that the Bill
would cause any increase in the consumption of bar-
ley, and he thought the House would deal harshly
with an industrious and deserving bode of men if
they persieted in passing the Bill. tie hoped,
therefore, his Honourable and Learned Friend
would consent to withdraw the measure.- t •
Mr. Berme/team said, that Reding such 4 141024
of interests, and such an extent or Ittottatert reendtt
opposed to the Bill, he was disposed torsk kiwi to
withdraw it, trot in dektence to the argument. of
his Him. Voiced, with all due respect 19 him he said
it, but in consideration of the great opposition it
had elicited, and the late period of the Section.
But now• that be had heard the whole at the
case against the measure, he was fortified in
his opetion of the necessity of some alter.
ation of the kind, and he hoped that in the
next Session as pqwerful and active exertions
would be made is eta favour by the
who had an iqterest ip 'supporting it, as had beet)
used against it io this Session by those whose ent-
er] 'interests led them to 'oppose it. Ito she mein
time he implored the Chancellor of the Etcheqiier
to torts his itiretioa lathe subject daring the vice-
ties, lot the porpoise of devising sortie Witaatt•Wf •
*thee, if sue such cowld be found, of enabling the
Public to be supplied with good beer, of. tvtddle
!mitt), between that which paid a duty of toa4arsa
that whigh paid no more than te, and to allele it
to he mold by retail in shops as well as in prel4lol..
houses. Thus might a considerable moped./ ble
afforded to the public by the Right Ho& Gent?e.
man, The brewers atorpoblicape hall its in' i'lia'c
power to ;five so equally esabisteatiel hod *striates
benefit to tire people by lowerieg the price aid lobe
proving the quality of the Wide Which they- Ittp-
plied ; and he would give them this *seining, tbat if
they would allow no relexation of their asouopoly„ if
they !tempted in interposing between the public
and a fair supply of a cheap and wholesome com-
modity, if they persevered in upholding what they
called their vested interests against all improvement
in favour of the people, who had a vested right mid
interest in this matter paramount to those of all
others, the conseqoence would he, that the people
would, as they ought to do, take the matter 'lota
their own hands, arid furnish themselves with a re.
wetly which the law had already !Awed withei their
reticle-411E8r, hear, hear.)--It was, iWIIWIIIap
in vain to look for any practical benefit 'from .
any relaxation on the port of the Magistrates
Irene the rigour of the present licensing system ;
but there was another remedy easy to be get at by
means of private brewing.—(Hest.)—The people
et
serge had little or iso notion how easily, how com-
fortably. and how savingly they inlet lowa their
own beer.*(Hear.)--Thir amoetit of savage in the
duty on malt alone was equal to a bounty of 30s. •
a gitaftrr, given by the Chancellor of-the Excite-
quer to these who brewed for their own .eotaintosp-
wan ; they would same to addition that profits of the
brewer m 4 the • publican upon the bleu,

and would secure to themselves • butply of a gua4
pod wholesome sriicte. All tl:ese sulyipitages
were secured to them by the law as it 1:11:1• roe&
fht iov were deter,* t from the •itempt by the
posed expense. That might he easily removed, hg
three or four housekeepers or critiagers joining
gather,and purchasing a rat of brewing utetie;fr, to
be the joint property of the whole, and to 44 ..01
by earl) in rotation at hie own house in brewitie for
the consumption of himself and family. Tin
must, hostler, be cautions of filling •into the tr,,p
of the Chancellor of the fschequer, by l-tithirg
or hiving the utensil., or selling the beer, or
brewing another's malt, any one of which art'
*null! 'object them to heavy penalties, from
which, however, they would be perfectly secure,
by retaining • shore in the property of • set
Ildanahils, and brewing their own malt on their
own premises. With a very trifling 41,441w:cc from
theist landlords this adverting might be secured to
UM whole of the to nog poor throughout Nip
coustry and he did exhort the country Gentlemen
to their statious attention to this elibject-oto
weigh well the edvpntage of bestowing this great
benefit en the poor of Weir respective neighboar7,
hood% whereby they would contribute so much to
the eillarKing if the comforts and improvement
of the morals of their tereisitry.,-(Hear,
He knew, indeed, some kind and generous Isitcle4
proprietors by whom much good had already been
done in this why. gut the machine ohtai;red, •
difficolty would be ready to Ire started by sondes
from the molt of the i:ecessary knowledge how to
use it with advantage. That difbculty, however, was
easily removed, by accompanying the gift of the
brewing machine with the further purchase of only
• sixpenny pamphlet—he meant Mr. Cobbstea
Sermon on Breisriag--.(Ltsithter)—tt was either o
Sermon again,' Dramatis:sem or hilriretiome,fif
Brewing, he did not know which—(latighter)
but so clear clod correct were the directions
it contained. that he knew many instances of per-
sons who had procured them for their own quid;
ante, and never had he beard of their having
failed, but those who read those directions wereof-
ways so *ell instructed as to be able to brew their
own beer with ease, comfort. and advantage in point
of saying, as well is in the goodnesi of their beers
and goccessfylly to competewith the most skilful;
experienced, and opulent of their rivals. the public
brewers, in the supply of their own families. He
concluded by asking leaye to withdraw the Bal.
Mr. Motive Made a few ohnereationv. which were
rendered inaudible' by the Doi* of e number of
strangers leaving the gallery,
Mr. LOC*PAILT maintsitred the necessity of tome
measure to destroy the molicipoly of the brewers,
which was tido injurious to the agricultural id/
terest and prejudicial to the morals of the people.
The CHAncitt•l•oll of the Excsagults said.
that an inquiry was going on by authority of di
Treesury to discover whether some means could not
be adopted for giving to the public the advantage
of • supply of beer, as suggested by the
Her-
nourable- and (.earned Gentleman, of • supe-
rior quality to that which paid the low duty of
es.. sod inferior to that which was liable to the
duty of tpi., whiCh should be subject to • rate
of duty propodimeed to its comparative strength.
lie was not at present prepared to may what was the
precise nature of the means which might be here 7
proposed thr' Os-eying -such a measore into
effect, but he kid reason to believe thousome plan
would shoeiTY be:adopted for 141 poeticise. Row
fir it might tie Kuper. in connexion with such • men.
. in •
are, to make any toleration• the licensing system.
he was not weltered to give soy opinion. Ha woe
inclined, however, to think that the sale of beer its
public-houses should remain subject to the same
regulations a. et present. But with *peel to the
sale of beer of quality to Hie small beet
•at present allowed to be sold oat of poblicshouies,
be thought means might found to permit it,
without our material injury 10 the property sorest.:
•ecl iu public-houses.
Mr. Aldermen piqrpan spokey its was under.:
stood, in:oppewition to the Bill, and
I.eeve being then givens it woo withdrawn.
INSANE HOFIEF.RE.

Mr. F. Busros, semi Admiral op.
posite in his plsce, wisheff to sok him, whether Ids
Majesty's Government had come to any determine,
flora respectipe the granting of pensions and allow,
antes to the wives of insane officers of the navy ?
Sir G. Conicuam mod? that it had been detei•
Mined that in the castles of officers afflicted with the
malady is question, where it arose out of the Service
in winch they bad been employed? they ph-outd be
eunitdered s entitled to a pension in the same men-
tier is if they had loot • limb in a ; but if the
melidy were the result of any constituiloviel cord-
plaint, or troitght on by any impropriety or se!
Of imprudence on the pelt of the officer.' in turh
case no pension would he 'allowed. This, how-
ever, the pllsot Admiral use understood to add?
would soot iiiterfere ?11th the existing practice
of the service, of allowing to the family of sit
officer labouring under this • Shetion, *ho was seat
to an hospital for cure? the half df his half-pay ; or
-the wlsole of his lialfpay if they liked tw take c.trp
of him '
• 'Mr. fr. BUXTON asked whither all claims of this
. nature iaigbt not he decided at truer, or -shortly
'after being sent in
Sir G. COCIpURT4 ssiJ they world, or eoune,
be disposed of as soon after the application wm
mader us the roquirite inquiry ion the timbre of the
claims could be gene through. He would take that
opportunity or adding, slit of Course is+eihnion•lif
Would only beillowed dusiokthe ernsiniu.
once of tb. malady, suit mshd be isitliflramta
cuss of • curt.. • • • • ,
cat tfAiDA GOVERNMENT AND TRAM BILES c
The Order of the Day for the 'ilitahltiNtifit -01 f
the Canada cioyernment and 'lnuit .Billitiong Meta!
read—. . . .
Mr. W;Lisor peep est atm tot thlt Seim thirst-
lure of the samatere lb irtaithout M saimit chant
..aemOderupol. rta. psi stow by &with* 10144)

aree heads :—The first related to the Act of 31st
George 111. commonly called the Catarrhs Act,
and went to alter, in a certain degree, the constitu-
lien that was then granted to those provinces—
the second pert was merely anxiliory to the Bill
introduced by the Board of Trade for the Regu.
lotion of the Colonial Trade—and the sit part
related !o the appropriation of the duties between
the provinces of Upper and Lower Canada, and
the consolidation of the Legislatures of the two
rovinces. The peculiar situation in which those
!olonies were placed in regard to their reve-
Jes, hid led to the necessity of some remedial
measure on the part of the Government of this
Country. From the conquest of Canada till 1774
the whole was governed by • Governor and Eaten.
re Council. The criminal law of England was
established in the first instance ; but the civil law
of France was retained, which formed a very
anomalous code of law. In 1774 an alteration was
Niade, whereby the Colony was placed under the
administration of a Governor and Executive
17ouncil, and • Legislative Assembly, with the
power of raising local taxes for local purposes.
At that time the province was known by the
statue of Upper Canada, was inhabited chiefly by
American loyalists sod refugees, who resorted there
as considerable numbers. In the course of time
the population greatly increased, and at length it
Iteeime a subject of great objection to them, as
Soglialessen, accustomed to English laws and Eng.
Ti4k habits, to be subject to the French laws, which
thin prevailed in Lower Cansds. In 1791, there-
we. an Act was passed, separating the Admioistra-
too of the two provinces, and giving • constitu-
.roetalGoverument with a separateLegialature to each.
The only access to the province of Upper Coned*
'-tre the sea was by the port of Quebec, which was
tsated in the Lower Province, and is the whole

the duties on imports were therefore collected
there, it was agreed that the proportion of these
links that should be given to Upper Canada should
one-eighth, that being the supposed proportion of
populatiou to that of the other province. That
appropriation, however, proving unsatisfactory, in
797 a plan was adopted of examination by mesas
i Custom-house officers stationed on the bounde-
ies of the two provinces, to ascertain by the
iantity of the articles imported, that passed into
le Upper Province for the consumption of its popss•
two, the amount of the duties to which it was en.
'ltd. That plot', however, was found to be attend.
I with great inconveniences, and the Custom-house
,fficers being withdrawn, it was determined to pey to
..7pper Caned, one fifth of the duties as its share.
Afterwards a Commission was appointed to make a
more perfect arrangement for an equitable appro.
,niation of the revenues between the Provinces,
stitch, however, reported its inability to devise any
satisfactory plan for removing the difficulties
that stood in the way of an amicable arrange-
,eat ; and the province of Upper Canada had
irr siuce been deprived of its fair proportion
if the duties. The object of the Bill now un-.
fee consideration was, to secure It due udmini-
itratiou of the revenues by means of a fair and
equitable system of arbitration. The Honour-
able Gentleman then referred to the Report of
the Commissioners of Lower Canticle, from which it
opesred that no principle of arbitration could be
:tied by them which would be satisfactory to both
rpviacer ; so that those two provinces, which ought to
twe, hat one common interest, seemed to be placed
irreconcilable opposition to each other. That state
things had led the Government to consider
tether some arrangement could not be adopted
the appropriation of the duties which would
ring the provinces into a closer relation to each
other ; and the most natural means of effecting that
lbjert appeared to be to consolidate the Legislatures
of both provinces, from the union of which other
coosidtrable advautages might be expected to be
derived. In answer to any objection that might be
'aurided on the supposition that the constitution
establ,shed by the Act of 1791 was intended as
permanent measure, or was so regarded at the
late, he referred those who entertained such an
~.itiioci to the debate on the Bill, on the Bth
Aped; 1791, in which the anion of the two
wovinces was strongly contended fur by Mr.
and the Act then under consideration ex-
pressly recognised both by him and by Mr.
Pitt es open to future revision by Parliament. In
*alterations proposed in the present Bill there
ins nothing to affect or diminish the right of vot-
ing, or any other of the privileges possessed by any
individual in either of the {internees under the pre-
sent law. It had been deemed necessary to este-
'ish a qualification for those who were elected,
rich had been omitted before; bat the rate of that
ialiacation would not be fixed so high as to rep-
,r it in any degree exceptionable. With respect
, the clauses relating to the trade of the Colony,
;hey merely went to apply the principle of the
Colonial Trade Bill to these provinces. A draw-
back would also be allowed on the re-exportation
rum, of the amount of the duty imposed on its
rportation from our West India bland.; and the
tarot duties would be continued to 1823, which
was *apposed would allow time for the adap-
tor' of such regulations by the new Legisla-
ire as might be deemed advisable. NVith re-
ioect to the settlement of the proportion of
lanes betweeq the two provinces, a mode of arbi-

iretioi was proposed. to which he could not expect
any opposition would be altered. He anticipated
hat this measure would lead to the progressive is-
,)roveepent of the provinces. • boon which they bad
well merited by the loyalty and attachment to the
',other Country which they conStantly displayed.
Zsen pains had been taken in the framing of the
/All to give the fullest consideration to the Cana.
lian interests. and to procure the fullest information
on the suhject of those interests; and the Pleasure
wow sanctioned by the unqualified approbatiosu of
all those whose experience and information quali-
fied them to judge of its effects *ion the interests
of the provinces. He concluded by moving That
She Speaker do now leave the Chair."

Sir J. WitatuTosu said, that but little good was
tpeeted, or bet little evil anticipated, as the result
this measure_ was evident, if he was to judge

rear the state of the House—and he shoukl indeed
lairs felt but little comfort in being called upon to
discuss, for the Brit time, on the lath of July, the
question of a total change in the Legislature of taro
meat provinces--if the oftentimes be thou saw of
Members in that House, epos so important a dia.
minim. did not smuts him of the little probability

of its producing any of those alarming results
which had followed from • former attempt of the
same kind. The part of the immure to the
immediate •dopiion of which alone he objected,
was that, which related to the union of the two Le.
gislatures ; and the argument which had been put
with so mach force and effect by the Right Hon.
Member for Chichester (Mr. fluskisson) to induce
his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham)
not to forward at this period of the Session a
measure which affected the property of a great body
of individuals, might, he thought, be applied
with still more farce to prevent the bringing for-
ward of a measure affecting not merely the pro-
petty, but the rights, the privileges, the opinions,
the feelings, and the prejudices of the whole popu-
lation of two large provinces, who had no means of
expressing their assent or dissent, but would be
taken by surprise, and find their Legislature wholly
changed without the opportunity being afforded
them of expressing their sentiments or opinions on
the subject. He guarded him►elf against being
•opposed to ground hie opposition on ally abstract
notion of the right of a people to be consulted on
the form of its Government, or on a doubt of the
power of the Parliament of this country to make
this alteration without previous consultation with
the Colony. He maiutanted that Parliament
had the power, but he thought that of all
powers that was the one which ought to be
exercised with the greatest forbearance and cau-
tion, and with the most scrupulous regard to
the interests of those whom it so deeply affected.
To pars this Bill without having given full notice to
the people of Canada, in order that they might
have an opportunity of expressing their feelings
on the subject, was unwise and impolitic, whether
they had a right to be consulted or not. He did
not mean to impugn the terms of this measure, sloe
the inteutiont of those who brought it forward ;
but he much questioned its effects on the people
of the Colonies, and the effects of its example
upon the general principles of our coloniul legis-
lation. He begged it to be observed, that this
was the first time in the existence of English Colo.
nies that the English Parliament had ever passed an
Act to unite two Colonies in one, or to lake away
the Legislature of any single Colony, except the
never-to-lse-forgotten Massachussett's Act, a hich
gave rise to that commotion by which the whole Con-
tinent of America was severed from our dominion.
They were now required on uo information, but on
the mere assertion that some individuals unnamed
had approved of the measure, to take away the per.
litical arid legal renitence of two provinces without
the observance even of the common formalities,
without which they would not presume to interfere
its any measure affecting the rights of the most ob.
•cure corporation in Roieland. No ageuts for the
Colonies, no counsel in their behalf had been heard,
no witnesses had been examined at the bar.—
And he would ask, saying nothing of the policy,
the expediency, or the propriety of the enactments
of the Bill, whether it was not rash in the extreme
to refuse to pay the price of a delay of six month',
for the purchase of full information on these point*,
in order to prevent them from legislating in the
dark, as they were now doing, as to the feelings
and opinions of the people of Canada on the sub-
ject of this union. He ■aid they were bound to
consult these feelings for two reasous—became it
was essential to the happiness of the people
that they should be consulted, and because it was
necessary, in order to secure the existence of the
authority of this Government over them. He urged
the delay of the measure on no abstract question of
right; lie would support it by no reasoning which
might not be safely urged in the Cabinet of any
absolute Monarch of common understanding, if
such an one were to be found. He was actuated by
respect fpr the principles of British legislation in
opposing the enactment in the last week of the Sea.
'ion, of a Bill to abolish two Legislatures, and
substitute a third in the place of both, in such
• hurry as to look as if they were afraid to learo
the opinion of the people of Canada before
the Act shall be fully passed. He had heard no-
thing from the Honouruble Gentleman who moved
the Bill, applicable to the question of the ur-
gency of this measure, or the necessity for insole.
&suety pressing it, which was the only question
they had now to consider. He was at a loss,
therefore, to conceive whet could be the reason
for pursuing a course respecting a measure affect-
ing the rights, liberties, and property of the whole
populatiou of two large provinces, which they
would never think of ou the most ordinary quer
Lion of a right of way or a right of common. The
peculiar situation of the Colonies, having no agent
or counsel here to support their interests. debarred
perhaps by nature front actual representation in that
House, rendered it incumbent on them to give the
snore particular consideration to those interests, and
to prove the real value of the virtual representatiou io
the British Parliament of all the interests of our
widely extended empire. To proceed with that
part of the Bill relating to the union of the two
provinces, without allowing the interval of six
months to obtain information as to the feelings
of the people of those provinces on the subject,
he thought was not befitting the character of that
House, and the honour of British legislation. He
therefore moved, as an amendment—

" That it be en iestroclion to the Committee to separate
the Bill into two parts; the one to contain the clatters relat-
ing to the incorporation of the two provinces, and the tither
these relating to the commercial and financial arrangements
of the said provinces."
Mr. ELLICE said he admitted without hesitation
all the general principles staled by his lion. and
Learned Friend ; and if he did not think the par-
ticular case under consideration an exception, and
that the Bill before them applied in a most
particular meanie le that case, he should have
thought the la* period of the Session opposed •
great objection to proceeding with it at prestos.
The object of the Bill was not to take from any of
the inhabitants of either of the provinces any pri-
vilege which they enjoyed under the Act 31 Geo. 111
but to extend to all what was •t present only en-
joyed by a part. A case had arisen which gave
rise to the stecemity for the interference of the
Legislature of this country, and the only ques-
tion wait, whethev that interference should be
narrowed to the one or two point• contained in
the application from the Upper Proviiscr, or whe.
ther t►i• opportunity should be. taken of introdu-
cies • general measure for Ow caaamon interest of
both. 'll'he Legislatore of the Lerner Province
►ad rendered the speedy adoption of some met-

sure of this kind imperative, by actually de-
ciding that they would not go any further into
the qUestion of the differences between the two
provinces until some naeavre should be saved by
the Legislature of this country on the subject.
It was curious to observe how the very difficulties
which Mr. Fox predicted had occurred. The Hon.
Member here read an extract from the speech of
Mr. Fox, on the introduction of the Bill for the
Government of Canada in Mk; he also referred
to the speech of Lord Grenville on the same oc-
casion, in winch his Lordship spoke of the measure
as an experiment. The grievances predicted had
occurred, and it was to remedy those grievances
that the present measure was introduced. In the
House of Assembly of the Lower Province, there
were forty-five French and five English members.
The grievance of this was, that a French party was
found acting oo mistaken principles of legislation,
which had got complete possession of Lower Ca-
nada, and from the geographical position of
that province, it extended its influence over
the population of both provinces. From every
thing which he had heard from persons in this
country connected with- Canada, he was per-
suaded that the people of Canada were favourable
to the measure. In Upper Canada the people
were in general well educated, whilst in the Lower
Province there was not one in a hundred of the
population that could read or write. If, therefore,
this measure were to be suspended, jealousies and
prejudices would be crested against it ; whereas,
on the other hand, if the measore once received
the sanction of the House,• it would be received
with content by the population in general, and
would lay the foundatiou of general happiness.—
He could not help pressing it on his Majesty's
Ministers to give to Canada every advantage in
trade which they possibly could, by treating it as
one of our own counties, or as Ireland was treated,
and to look upon it as one of those colonies to
which our surplus population might with great
advantage be directed, sod he could not but regret
that by the operation of the Corn Bill, great part
of the produce of Canada was prevented from com-
ing to this country, by which, of course, they were
prevented from taking our manufactures in return.
Mr. CaLcIAIPT said, he should think the forcing
upon the Canadians a change in their representative
system, such as the present Bill would produce,
was the most likely means to create discord and
confusion. His Hon. Friend had quoted the opi-
nions of Mr. Fox and Lord Grenville, but did he
think they would have been prepared to follow them
up by sores!, a change in the constitution of the pro.
vinces ? The House either presu rut d on the weakness
of the provinces, or the wisdom of the measure. The
first was a ground which no one would be disposed to
take, and if they were assured of the beneficial
effects of the measure; why press it•with such un-
necessary haste. All that he asked was that the
House would wait six months, in order that the par-
ties to whom it applied might have notice of it.
The Report to which allusion had been made was
dated in December hint, so that there had been
time enough to have consulted the Legislatures and
people of the Cauadas; and he most say it was
matter of suspicion that it had not been done.
He believed he was now addressing, numerically
speaking, a House—he thought there were forty
Members present—to legislate for the two Canadeo;
but he put it to the confidential advisers of his
Majesty, whether they would at this period of the
Session (when, according to their own admission, no
measure of importance could be expected to be
gone into, and, above all. without notice to the
parties interested) go on with the Bill.
Mr. BaiGhT, although he acknowledged the
power of the Legislature here to interfere with
the Legislative Assemblies of Canada, yet he
denied that the present measure was either
well timed or well considered. He objected to
the measure, which took as it were by surprise
the constitution from the people of Canada,
which had been deliberately given to them
by. the Act of the 31st of the late King. This was
entirely an Upper Canada Bill. and was intended
to give Upper Caned' an iliflueoct io the House of
Representatives in the Lower Province which
they did not at present possess. He would not
enter into any new metaphysical distinction.,
and did not pretend to deny the supremacy if the
Mother Country ; but the palpable inexpediency
of the measure was what he considered the greatest
abjection to it. He challenged any gentleman to
produce one instance in cotuuial legislation where
the Mother Country had interfered with the consti-
tution of the Colonies, because they refused to come
into the views of the Mother Country. lie did not
imagine the case of the charters in Charles ft.'s time
would be relied upon by any Gentleman as a pre-
cedent, and excepting those, there was no instance
bearing any analogy to the present. Itidepeudent
of his objection to the principles of the Bill, the
period of the Session at which it was brought for-
ward, when the gentlemen of the law had gone upon
their circuits, was an additional reason fur its post-
ponement.
Mr. GotiLatittW defended the Bill, the object
of which had been much misunderstood by some
Hon. Members. There was oo infringement, as the
Hon. Member for Wareham (Mr. Caleraft) had
supposed, of the right of the people to return their
representatives; oothiog which could bear the
colour of changing from a free to an aibitrary go-
vernment. He admitted that there was a change
effected by the Bill, but it did not attach to the
representative system of the colony. It was pro.
posed to merge the Assemblies of the two provinces
in one, but leaving the same means as were
now possessed, for the inhabitants to send such
representatives as they might select. The Bill
had been opposed on three grounds :—lt was
questioned, first, whether Parliament had a right
thus to interfere; secondly, if Parliament had
the tight, whether it were expedient to exercise it;
slid lastly (and to this point the opposition of the
Hon. Member for Knaresborough was principally
directed), whether this was the proper period at
which Parliament ought to exercise the right. No
one had. he believed, denied the right of Perim-
Aleut thus to interfere. The Government and Con-
stitation of Canada rested. indeed on the provisions
of an Act of Parliament;
it certainly, therefore, was
competent to Parliament to consider the changes
which from time to time took places and alter or mo-
dify accordingly. .That Act of parliament which
gave separate Legislatures to the two promuces,dis.
tiuctly looked forward to distant periods at which

alterations might become necessary. The nom
Gentleman here referred to the Act which pro-
vided that his Majesty might make alter-
ations by and with the advice sod consent of
tne Legislative Assemblies."—(Hear, hear, hear.)—
He considered that one of the strongest arguments
in favour of the expediency of the measure we.,
that dissentions had for a considerable time existed
between two neighbouring countries, which, from
their close approximation, should have been united.
He considered the Colonies in the greater danger
from their close situation to an ambitions, because
a republican state. He was, therefore, disposed to
give his assent to a measure which went to conso-
lidate the power of the Colonies. and to protect
them from the danger with which they were sur-
rounded ; and he could not consent, from any Cr.
gument founded on the inexpediency as to time, to
sacrifice a measure essential to their interests and
the security of the empire.
Mr. DENMAN rose fur the purpose of offering
himself personally ris an argument in favour of
postponing the question, fur up to this moment he
was in perfect ignorance as to the extensive sod im-
portant alterations contemplated by this Bill. The
Bill hid passed through various Ptages, and this
was the first night on which any Member of the
Government had condescended to open the ques-
tion to the House. He conceived it to be irritat-
ing, provoking, and dangerous to inflict upon •ny
of the Colonies such extensivrchanges without their
consent ; and he thought his Hon. Friend (Mr.
Bright) perfectly justified in the strong opposition
to this measure which lie threatened to give.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that the
principal objection offered to this important mea-
sure was the late ;ivied of the Session; but he did
not think that this could be considered a very sub-
stantial argument against • measure calculated to
produce so much practical good. Besides, his
Honourable Friend (Mr. Wilmot) had been pre-
pared long since to bring the subject before the
House, but was unable to do so from the great
conflict of public business. He considered the
Colonies interested by this Bill entitled to the
greatest liberality, both on account of their gene-
ral connexions and shipping interests. Ile con-
tended, that if the Government of the country
did not feel that the measure would receive the
approbation of the interests which it affected, it
never would have been introduced, and he believed
it would be received by the Cansdas with general
satisfaction, notwithstanding the efforts made on
the opposite side to represent it as a measure of
oppression. He still trusted that Gentlemen op-
posite would withdraw their oppositiou,aod allow
the Bill to go to a Committee.
Mr. BERNAL opposed the wooer., bat said he
was not influenced by any party motive, but by a
feeling that we should not proceed without ample
information.

Mr. Tuouas WILSON fully concurred in the
opinion that this should not be considered a party
question. It appeared to him to be a measure cal-
culated to produce much evil, but he should ab-
stain from entering into any disco►sion, as all the
arguments which he had entertained on the subject
had been already anticipated.
Mr. WILMOT replied.
The House then divided : the numbers were--
For the Amendment l4
For the Committee ....

Majority 34
The Bill was then committed, and the Repoli or-
dered to be received on Tuesday next.
On the third reading of the Irish Police Bill—
Mr.illAwrtri moved. as an amendment, a clause,
empowering the Lord Lieutenant to appoint sti-
pendiary Magistrates in certain cases.
After some discussion the amendment was with-
drawn, and the Bill was read a third time and
passed.
On the motion for the third reading of the Royal
Scotch Burghs Bill—
Mr. Hosts opposed the motion.
The gallery was cleared, but there Were only 24
Member. present, and the House adjuulutd at
Two o'CLocK.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

PARIS PAPERS.

PARIS, ATILT 13•

Commercial letters received this nuncio; by an extraor-
dinary channel, enable us to add the following details eels-
tire to the eceats which took place at Madrid on the 71b and
hth of this month, is which honourable men will And some
consolation, and a ronlrediction of the exaggerated state-
ments in the Liberal Journals.

The losses experienced by the loyal and unfortunate guard.
have not been so considerable, and the blood of the Royalists
has not flowed so freely as would appear from the state-
ments which tire Corestitsfiownef, the Courtier, and the
Pilate, have beta pleased to believe and to publish.
After having lost, in all, 350 men, killed or wounded, the
guards rallied outside Madrid, and the numeroas detach-
menus of militia seat in pursuit did not dare to follow them
In the open country. It Is presumed they have taken the
mite of Andalusia, where they will have auxiliorie• in the
guerillas sad the royal carabineers, who have eleelared.with
so much allergy in support of their legitimate Sovereign
against revolutionary usurpation.. It Is also certain that
considerable portion of the troops of the line, iu garrison at
Madrid, were unwilling to take part le the affair, and that
they would have broken through this neutrality, if the move.
meta, of the royalists bad been better concerted and con-
ducted with greater prudence.

Those disasters, however, love only had the effect of re.
frcalog the ardour of the royalists end there is so doubt
but the guerirrs %ill &come more numerous and more
ardent. The Madrid rt volution baa been forced to recoil.

The ambitious Riego hu vainly attempted to tarn the
movements of the 7th Jaly to hie own advsmtage and that of
his accomplices. A party of the modern Cosstitstionalists,
terrified at t►eir revolutionary projects, isterpseed between
them and the thee:stewed victims, and deprived them of die
victory. Prudent and eacrgetlc usenbWres were immediately
awl* I to calm the passions and restore trasquillity ■nd
goud order. Songs of a revolutionary and Irritating leeriest,
were strictly prohibited, sad the prisosers delivered from
the hands of the Desemiskados were treated with aU pose'.

ble kiudoess and hanasity. General Metall, was admitted
to pay his respects to his Majesty.—.(GentritlaJtesera.)

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of this squadron is not known, it is generally supposed that
it will proceed iu cruise on Ike coast of Spaio.

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