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the Hon. Member which pained him moat, was the imputides
insolence on his conduct. -
hie H. HARDINGE (as we understood) offered a few words
corner ending b 3 the above explanation, in which he declared be
was not aware of basing used any offensive or unparliimentary
The petition was then ordered to be laid on the•table, and printed.
LORD DONOUGHMORE.
Mr. HUTCHINSON requested that a petition which woo.
about to be presented relative to the conduct of the above Noble-
man, might he positioned, as due notice was not given of it ; ostl
until time woo afforded to meet the charges contained in it, wield;
were foul aspersions on the character of th it Nobleman. .
The petition, which was, we believe, in the hands of Me..
Hume, was not presented.

ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE-
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tuns
vim, 4 gas dielead of _tai —T.( to , coaccee•4 Perk:- Househie.
uSetAeteeYC
a hiesaglit _ ___ _ TuesdayAhNexNt.lNG moved the adjournment of the
tam weds. Is fight be mid. and If It was said hewn sure it Mr. S. WORTLEY was desitous of knowing if it wee the in.
did net doemee eh never is that Houle, " You bigamous fellow, tendon of Government to make any additional allowance to the
how dare yea 11111“ Med each sad inch words?" (No, no.) He Yeomanry coePo-
(Mr. B.) did eat wan le as r that that was the precise way in Mr. Secretary PEET. expressed his desire to maintain
which the prima attack wen ands ; but If it was so made—he wag the Yeommry Corps in a state of the utmost efficiency.
tamely ili ceee—the ibility of denial or explanation 1 Several corps resigned. under the impression that their services were
• ems pine dais the 11 le Member against whom it was .no longer necessary. He confessed he was not disposed to concur
4111• Mods Pee hie yen, he nor had acted on the principle of not in the principle of exempting persons in the yeomanry corps from
mholos_dsioned by say mesa of however exalted station, either in civil offices. It eas necessary that in all instances the office of
that neves or oat of it—of however mighty power there or else. constable. Iris
be
trespectably Tied. It was much better there-
wing, •Ikeser• espirmain lie opinion of public men, in whatever fore,
air„el anhlynediore)citnielind'ucemo mentiTyr'ex them pay of the
to
=e 4iidillrerheiminheoldmitttattge
ntoote,xlmnedessouhpflogointlnnuaphoynhtarhettor,
Mr. LYTTELTON bore testimonye
Ption.to the usefulness of the
hi* ladhlaideiebibble Idea& around him, of etpreerming their yeomanry.
mealmaytals absteiew aces( vehemence they might thirk proper. Mr. HUME conceived that the exemption of a particular class
The Bahasa( W cal Mr. Arbuthnot were, it was to be
p
emit In private life. He knew
apt=
imEisfrom civil offices was highly objectionable.
blr. MA BERLY expressed his concurrence in what had fallen
ikon may to ~,, ministers_us trustee. of the from the Secretary for the Home Department. He thought, how-
ever. that any yeomanry corps which was not efficient should be
public isessey, isch lie yiv the people of England bound
Wu to way Mies he thought of them. All that he would disbanded. Thou which were inclined to be efficient ought to be
say of down le the • plesent instance was, that it appeared made thoroughly so.
to him Mr. Basegfterat that they had been most under. Mr. Secretary PEEL. said his intention was that each yeomanry
ennead, aides& -Asia the pamphlet, which appeared to him to turps should be pot on permanent duty periodically, and if not
have hem dim up with great ability, he was not prepared to 'Seim; they should be disbanded,
vouch lie dip is it contained, but he did know something -- • , OCCUPATION OF SPAIN. '
ofthiswai foie information he had acquired from being • Mr. BROUGHAM rose to ask the Right Hot.
profewieeelly epaeidssd in it. An attempt had been made to ap. Foreign Affairs whether be Gould afford the House any eerier
publishes,' 'fide. Artiethnot, then a minor (" No, no !" front information as te how moth longer it was intended by the F
theldialliadel heeds a) Well, be it granted that he was not ; but Government that their troops should occupy Spain. In the
an attempt ism mode se appoint him agent to the trustees—an ap. Eof this Session, he felt reluctance in commenting upon this adeall,
pointmeat wildelliwriez.dri him, in the opinion of him (Mr. B.) as he conceived that negotiations might be in progress, asil Oa*
and other Loomed of his, according to their construction discussion would be dettimenral to those brave and illustrious pelt
at the Ptits Assn, Illehle la a penaltyof fah for every document eons who were confined in Spain—martyrto the sacred mime or
to which he sahmeriltal his name. Tuffs attempt, therefore, which liberty, after having lost all they possessed but their horour, width
could ow be excused, we. only to be euenueted by their profound hail come purer out of the struggle. He was fearful that if he had
ignorance of law. It bad been offered, indeed, to Calomel Wood. alluded to those suffering men, the question of the Holy Alliance
who was the real agent of the trustees, appointed by the captors to would be brought into the discussion, and irritating obrarnamse
inspect the documents; but even this permission was given with a might fall, which would be injurious to the sufferers. This we.
gwlifieadon that they should not lisesubmitted to lawyers, and the reason why he had declined touching upon the subject daring the
reason alleged for withholding It from them was—that then , Session. But now, as the Session was near a close, and an °beery.-
was eready 80W great a disposition to encourage law proceed. i tion mar he heralded without any risk to the personal safety or is.
logs. Now this was founded upon a low prejudice, that only I dividuals, or any detriment to pending negotiations. he felt ex.
that I homely anxious to acquire some information. The declared object
prevailed amongst the vulgar class of the community,
lawyers would escridee de or duty to their clients for the rurpoee of i originally was, to evacuate Spain as soon as Ferdinand shnuld be
advancing their own interests, by advising them to go to trial when I restored. This object had been attained long since, end the French
they ought to give a contrary admonition. (A laugh.) He (Mr..; still continued to occupy Spain. The intention now seemed to be,
II) was sorry to perceive that there were some Members in that 1 to continue the occupation as long as it was the policy of the French
House who belonged to that class. (Hear, and a laugh.) The' and Spanish Governments. This would give the French Govern.
prejudice was as old as the hills ; it was, he would not hesitate to ment a carte blanche, and would permit them to occupy Spain as long
sae, a most unfounded one. lie had Mown' frequently advised as they pie:seed. Heunderetood there were still 40.000 French troops in
clients even not to go to trial when he thought they had a very good , Spain, and it was known that the Freneli were in noesession of some
case. because that the costs would be a loss not to be compensated 1 of the moat important fortresses. It may be the policy of the French
by any gain that would arise from success in the action. But the Government to continue to occupy Spain, hut it assuredly was not
opinioti which had been referees! to in the petition presented by_ his 1 the policy of England to stand by. The French Government may
Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) was not signed by himself and his Hon. I say that as long as the struggle continues in tin New World they
'hind (Mr. Imuthington.) It was signed by Dr. Jenner, an ex. I would continue to occupy Spain. The effect of this would be, to en.
celient `ferry civilian. It was signed also by Sir \\'m. Adams, a 1 able the Spanish Government to send out additional troops to oppose
King's Counsel, who was free from all party ;or whatever bias he • those mere struggling far liberty. Upon an assumption of this
might entertain must naturally incline towards that side from which kind tllllolFrencli may continue to occupy Spain for an indefinite
his thinly had received so many favours. It here almehthe magma- period. He was one of those who countered such a state of things
tore of a Learned Friend of his now on the Bench, Mr. Justice very alarming. In cased a war Ireland would be open to the iron
Grebe. whom the Duke of Wellingtth, in his capaetty of Privy coast of Spain, garrisoned with French soldiers. He could not
Councillmo, must have been instrumental in recommending for pro. conclude without expressing his regret at some circumstances which
motion to the Bench. all tough lie then pronounced an opinion had occurred during the Session now near its termination. The
against him. It moreover hove the signature of Mr. Harrison, the state of Ireland rested on circunistarces peculiar to itself, and 1 er-
known familiar of the treasury : this via haps that House was not answerable for all that had occurred with
" The unkindest act of all." respect to Ireland. He greatly regretted the passing of that Act
These were the persons who subscribed that document. The at. for promoting what he called the dependency of the Judges. He
tack upon the lawyers by their trustee' was therefore. he thought, had spoken with many individuals eminent at the Bar. ard likely
very uncalled for. lie would wish at least those who lived ato succeed to the Bench, on this subject, and almost every indivih
certain description of houses would be cautious how they threw dual concurred with him. He should remark that the Bill had
jour. If the pamphlet complained of waa a libel against the No. been considerably improved in the Lerds. It was not atm that
hie Duke and his colleagues, the Courts of 104 W were open to the improvements took place in the Bills sent down to that House, but
Duke of tfellington it well as to any other individual for redress. this Bill formed an exception. The difference between the salaries
He would have the benefit of the advice and abilitfof his Hon. of the Mu er of the Rolls and the Vice-Chancellor was so enor.
and Learned Friend (the Attorney. General), the party accused mous and inconeistent, considering their relatis e duties, that he took
would have the benefit of eminent Counsel ; the facts might be sheens to himself foe not pivoting this point earlier.
state investigated fully; if the party were found guilty, an ample Mr. Secretary CANNING assured the lion. and Learned Crim-
inology would be made to the trustees, justice would be done them; tlemen, that the military occupation of Spain by the French troops
at all events, truths would be elicited, which would be wiser, more had excited the attention of his Majesty's Ministers. They had
useful, and more becoming than in indulging in idle cavils at each received assurances from time to time, which satisfies! him that it
mho?. (Hear. hear.) was not the intention of France permanently to continue the occu-
ItleSecretery PELL did not think that his lion. Friend, in repel. nation of Spain. nor had they the slightest idea of retaining any of
ling what he thought an unjuat attack upon his illustrious Friend, the Spanish votresses in their possession. In the month of De.
cemher last a distinct application was made to the French Govern-.
I'll said anything that could be personally offensive to the Hon. and
Learned 1./end/man. He had expressed himself certainly warmly, ment to disclose their intentions on this subject. It was then
agreed to reduce the French troops in Spain to twenty thousand
hut as his Hon. and Gallant Friend had said that lie had not pre-
men, with an extraordinay corps of ten thousand men. to be with_
mous knowledge that a discussion would arise upon the petition, it
was manifest he had not intended •prerious attack upon the Hon. drawn in. April. And in April, if he was rightly informed, that
nerrber. lie had not eseenisod all the circumstances of this extraordinary corps had been withdrawn. The Hon. and Learned
treruction fully, but he wesM amid= til ay, that he knew not Gentleman could not be move anxious than the French Government
of aey two persona in this country who were becer qualified for the was, to gut the French troops out of Spain. Our prophecies upon
execution of the trust reposed in them than the Duke of a:Yellingy
. the oectipation of Spain had been verified. whilst the prophecies of
too and Mr. Arbuthnot, the former of whom could not certainly type French linvernment were falsified. As to time apprehensions
have had had any inducement to undertake it, but that which arose which the lion. and Learned Gentleman entertained, he (31r.
. Pura his affection for the army, and his natural attachment to its Canning) was happy to say, that in his opinion there was no ace's.
interests. sion either for :term or jealousy upon the subject.
Mr. Secretary CANNING said he could not tax his recollection Lord .1. RUSSELL thought that nothing could be more horrible
than that the spirit of the Spanish people should be destroyed In,
with the exact words which had been used on the occasion referred
A
to by his lion. and Gallant Friend (Sir H. ilardinge). As far as the intervention of a foreign power. a the French Government
were anxious for the withdrawal of the French troops, he supported
his recollection serval him, however, the void impudence was not
that it was at the desire of Ferdinatil they were retained. 11.1iilsr
used by ate lion. and •Inarned Gentleman ; but the term insolent
it wa.s his desire, therefore, to be supported by the bayonets of
or insolence--either Cie substantive or adjective was en tairiy used;
foreign troops, we should not expect the macustion of Spain by the
but even in the use of it, the Ilan. and Learned Member did not
imerd to apply it to the Duke of IVellington individually nor per. French troops.
mushy nor offensively, but generally and applicable to a public do- We uric-stood Mr. Secretary CA NNING to reply, that the
evacuation of Spain by the French troops did not altogether depend
tarnent. As the Hoe. and bearned Gent. had row been assured
that the words which were principally the occasion of the expression upon the viii of Ferdinand.
orginated in error —frem that appearing in the copy which was not Lord J. RUSSELL could not avoid adverting to an other sub-
ject—the system of severity pursued by the Austrian Government.
in the original—he hoped the liesissurable and ).earned Gentleman
It was a melancholy spectacle to behold men of the most echeed
would not have the seine objection in attending to his sures-adman
that he might have in replying to his lion. and Gallant Friend
• ; n inds and of the best disposition, immured in dungeons. cml forced
to perform the work of galley slaves. This was the scats
of several
a-1 as the fouedation for the imputation which he put upon the I
nobleaninded Italians. It would certainly tamed much vatisfaction
ceeduct of the Duke of Wellington was removed, he would I
I to ell parties and to every other Government in Europe, it the
acknewleage the mistake into wino), from enencous informationI
e had been led. , 1 Austrian Goverment should relax the system of severity now put..
sued,and suhetittios nmore moderate system of punishment.
Dr. LUSHINGTON saia, that he %multi pay attention to the I Sir
amicable suggestion of the Right Honourable Secretary, although
retained possession of the Spanish garrisons, the French Government
he never would have censented to sink into the Oeeramlation of
to what hsh fallen could not be said to have any good faith.
offering any thing in explanation. in reply
from the lioneureble Member toy Durham. The observations of! . POOR-RATES.
the Honourable Member filled him nith the greater surprise, As) Lord FOLKESTONE observed upon the Report of the Corn.
he had the original of the letter of which he had only seen a copy, ' mitts on the Poor-rate Re'urtis. This stihject called fur the serious
and which, if produced, would have removed the misapprehemion eoneideration of the country and the Government. This Report,
under which helatoureri. Yet, with this letter in his pOWalloitil, in his Mond Folkestone's) opinion. gave very fallacious views on the
sad without prodacing it, did lie come down to the House, full of subject (lithe Poor Lawa. He collected from the Report that these
Indignation at the expressions which he on a former night had 1 rates had decreased, whilst the fact was, they had increased.
wed, and he expressed himself of his conduct in terms of reproba. i After a few Oen. rations from Mr. li. GURNEY and Mr.
(ton, to which, if he had condescended to 'tidy, by txplair ing i COrPTENAY, the mbject was droroed.
what he had formerly said, he would feel himself waiting in hie 1 SOUTH AMERICA—FOREIGN ENLISTMENT, &e.
duty, as a Member oh that House, and destitute too of the spirit of Mr. BARING said one Treamy had already been laid on the
a man. What I.e bred said on a former occasion he thought he table from the new South American flovernmems, and the other,
he understood, wnuld have been laid on the table had the Session
wan justified in saying, and it he had the same occasion to deliver ,
his opinion*, and the same knowledge that he then had, he would comintied a little longer. He was anxious to have it explained why
not hesitate to use the suite language. The Right Honourable a gentleman who ass sent over from one of the independent South
Secretary was, he believed, perfectly right in the expression which , American flovemmente had not been presented to his Majesty.
he had attributed to him. lie was sure, however, he did not use He desired to know whether this was only to be ascribed to acci.
the word " impudent," as had been imputed to hint ,- a sense of dent? lie hoped the interposition of foreign powers would not in.
respect for himself, as well as of courtesy towards the persons of duce his Majesty's Minister' to swerve from the course they had laid
whom he was specking, would hare restrained tied prevented him j down with respect to the South American States. lie trusted that
in the use of such an expression. lie would be ashamed to have , the South American States would not be recognised by England as
such an expression escape his lips. The application of the word inso. lin a state of mitigated independence. There was another subject to
lecce was certainly meant by him, and in the sense in which it was I which he should take dada oppertnnity of referring—he meant the
stated to have been understood by the Right lion. tircretary. Now condition of English Officers in the service of foreign powers. This
tall the foundatioa of Ilia expression had been removed, of course 1 was a question of considerable importance to many British Officers
it did not
.any longer apply to that to which it wasin the j who, fromlove of liberty, or love of a military life, and in
tint instance ref. ranle. Ile felt it necessary only further ; Wile instances from poverty. accepted service under other Govern.
to state, that he mule tr.quiry whether the wards were the some in 1 runts. As a matter of policy, he thought it was our duty to
the original as in the copy, and he had not adverted to the docu- ; give Englishmen the power of entering into foreign sem
anent in the Douse until he had been informed that they were. vices. When the Foreign Enlistment Bill paned, great
(Hear, hear.) tic thought it necesehy only further to state, that I jealousy existed amongst the Continental Governments, who
he had not read the pamphlet, neither was he engaged proles- I represented that the battle of independence was fighting by
smonally en the part of Sir T. Hislop. He happened, however, to! English officers and men. The objection to that Act wits, not that
hose anieed through his profeciumi at a very ample knowledge of 1 Government had the power of treadling English officers wits should
the circumstances connected with this prize money, and lie had enter into foreign service, but that by the evidence of a trumpery
waited, item a sen.e of his Parliamentary duty, what he thought to I informer, any person might be subjected to heavy penalties. The
be right, and fitting, and due to those whore interests were in.! jealousy which existed when thjs Act passed was now at an end,
'wised in the distributton of it. (lieu, linen.) I and hothought Government should return to the old state of law.
Sir H. HA RDI NOE and Mr. BROUGHAM mutually The great Duke of Marlhoroegh was in the French service ; some
explained. of our Admirals were in the litissien service, and many of our offi
tor R. FERGUSSON was the last man in the world who would cers were in the French and Spanish services. The French under.
chose his Ilan. and Gallant Friend• or any person who was a stood their policy in this respect, and took every means of wishing
member of the same pnoeseien with himself, to do anything (has their officers to take service under other Governments. Ile thought
was nut strictly honourable ; but after the conciliatory and satatne. that early in the next Session Government should take the subject
into consideration ; and if they neglected to do so, has should feel it
tory tone of the Right lints. Secretary (Mr. Canning)-.after the
seusfactary explanation of the lionournble and beamed Gentleman his duty to bring the subject before the Howes
Mr. Seenettry PEEIm regretted that the lion. Gentleman had
ferrielf--aud after it had appeured that the expression compleined
not made his inquiry respecting the individual who arrived in this
of originated in error, lie would recommend to his lion. and Gallant
country on behalf of the South American Government, before his
friend to say, that he regretted the use of lauguage which certainly
Right lion. Friend, the Secretary for Foreign Affeirs, had hut the
I la Ma opinion) exceeded the usual courtesy of language in debate.
House. He could take it upon himself, however, to assure the
In giving hint this advice. he assured him. upon hie honour, it was
Hon. Gentleman that it was not the intention of his Alejesty'a Mi-
the course which, under circumstances, he •ould reconmuiend to
hit brother or adopt himself. (Hear, hear, hear.) flinty to mate- the line of conduct they had plumed with respect to
Sr li. HA RDINGE said, that he might have manifested a the South American Governments. in consequence of any interposi.,
don of Foreign Power'. As to the Foreign Enlistment Act, to
wurnits of manner ; but other lion. Members, and none more than
which the lion. Gentlemen alluded. of course it was free for the
time Hen. and ',carnal Gentleman opposite (Mr. Brougham) had
Hon. Gentleman to make any motion on the subject which he
done thee:twee but he was not aware of having used any offensive
thought lit ; but in his (Mr. Peel's) opinion, the principle of that
laneunge (hear, hear), or any enparliamentsty expression. (li car.)
Act was moat just, as well as the power it gave to his hlajesty.
inc ePEAKER ceraliniyh dal rot think that any personally
orrieuve or unparlienenitary language had been used by the lion. BOARD OF TRADE.
and Gmalant Member, or he should have celled luau to order. Mr. BARING deeirsti to know whether it was intended menthe,
C lira-, berme eiimayersrovielon for the Right lion. Gentleman who presided at the
Mr. SetreeFry PEEL suggested that mite unoonecionsness of the • of Trade. Considering the arduous and extensive duties he
Hon. Member himself of Melia • g u ied any oth cnsive language ought had performed, he thought a suitable provision should be made
to he quite satisfactory, and i +need the abeenec of any intention of • for him.
gm•ing offence. (Ilenr, beer.) 1 Mr. Secretary PEEL could not Fay that he had ever heard any
Dr. LUSHINGTON said, that time part of the observations of conversation on this 'object, but the forte of the Hon. Gentlenteu's

1111-6Wilessi.-Widdildleidlbreerd to repel it with as much
wasa4 mad whops vliow are etas the He s. and eallant Mem-1
her. Bataan be was. dem. Imam be had dew eit. he would have '
gigot es the Iliewaveldelleetbse olio had end such language an
oppeeemity et earbialits what be WINK or at least of ascertain-
*tibia be bed Itesklieffaege et ell. But he would I
leia, yr it wimaiimat Mame mem or with common justice,
taw ea H ANY eme down to the Hou.e, sad
let IN hil herlellillig oraither ihrowaiable Methber, and that too.
la • tbas 111111111111.14 ell passibility of explanation f:om the
H lffamktottallen the ofilinsive language was imputed.
proton 1.,.."....bi1e ezhibealiNew and another way ut Ohlti in g—ons way
Salglstsoliathace a satisfactory expiration or
oho ilenliti,Lot, asothor way of complaining which
gogemagay ot se atptattatan at all being offered.
All Sala may led& way be leads foe words neves usel_aa at.
Irk leteeght Oirlaud lauadt aiireset?s would prevent the per.