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GARD'S MVORCE SILL

sari GREY said. that in many CIM.:11 where the offending
parties were iaterdkted from mei-trim, the greatrid punish-
nent would be to rustmtl their maniage. de would nut at
this time cuter auto the propriety of their Lordahine Stand-
ing Order, hut should wine, " That the claine,4 'Lidding
them to marry, be struck out "
'The Lona CHANCELLOR, whatever opinion he enter-
tained upon the Standing Ordei, concurred in the Rubio
Earl's motion.
The Earl of LACDrRDALL agreed that the clause in the
present Bill was improper.
'The clause was accordingly ri•irettil ; after which the Bill
was read the thud time and passed.
ARMY OF WALCHEREN.

The Earl of li:ttxit.ear ,iripor;onact---;it he notice he had
before given, intended one to more for a retsina of the state
ef that nopottant army which had bees sent to Wakheren.
He should not trouble the lionse with nis:iv continent.; upon
thut disastrous Expedition had {seen tam suceesful
in attraeliag the attention of the public from their owe dis-
graceful proceedings ; hot he would still consider it his duty
to draw the attrition of Parliament to the Cllll,Ol and coo.
sequences of that gnat calamity. Hr should now move for
a vetorn of the bundler of eavalry, infantry, ix. employed
in the Expedition, the number who became infected with
disease there, with the preset state of the slimy, and the
sick in their hospitals.
The East of Lt VKR root. hail no objection to the motions
. .

for a rcturtt of the Fick, and those routined in their hospitals,
• but as to the number emplo) eel to the Expedition, it had al-
ready been before Parliainetit, sad he di,' not consider It
altogether modem to disclose the ellicieney of our army at
this pal ticolur tinge.
Afirra sew words from Laid 1101.1. A NO and East GREY,
the tiro lattzr moti•ois were agreed tu.
GAS LIGtIT BILL.
The Puke of Arndt. supported the Bill, Ind in.:eat-oared
to obviate the objections made against it on a flouter ue.
canton. . . .

Carl STANHOPE observed, be had bees consulted abuot
this light, when exhibai•ii at the Lyceum, uhere he
ibuilJ the .Mavis particularly iihnomou., sad be foam! the
eantrivaue, they hip!ed tort i •periect. He bad wi.bect
r..ciu ih, w uudertakiv, hut that was all, and yet

they had isoj istitiuhly published his 1320:111 all approring of
their scheme. He had ant nititessed their to Libiumi in Pail-
-1413i1, that they lined not hare moniker upporioniii of
Publishing his name without Lite: want. As tar as li• could
form his opinion upon its pisblie utility, lie pereeive.l n •i hole
district of On+ tiinn„ might, in a enunient, he thi °WI) into
&ikons, which no, u aim inns consideration is SO Iu Re a ore.
tropolis, %lima tit! writ 50 many housebreakers and pick.
pockets
Lord REDESDAtt hail nn ohjection to the Rill, sloes
the Amrnihnents intio4ureil iu tic Ci.iruitite.
The E.trl of Lac tpaitull.t upposeJ It on recount of it.
priuriptc
The Dili,after a few obserrations Irian thr flute of Arnett,
said hail Srannorr, NUM mad the thir t liale sad pesos&
..SC(ITCH JUDICATUR E.

Rad SrA HOil!: 11;;;Cliff."—Iy;;;41;131/11,:t. he had Rives.
more.' for a mole p.. 1 •silne statement. io itrillo7, of the
oPutan of the ,rnoingsin.irs seratittlr Ito isein•stwzatt. lb.
LAD Or getollood, gad to ascertain if the 1 by Jur,. could be
ilottucloc,:i ban thnt culinary or not. He should not troul.te the
Homo: •itli reasons, Wry o. incledcd lo the o,tien
Itr lif it was Rot agreed tes it would ekarly sLca, that duos
who oproseil it were 1111$11411.ffilibie.
The Esti of Lt•r. *Pon r. sail the LnRD Cit vicar t cost
eseld sot serer to for motion in its presepr forms, as t!,,,5. oas
a doubt whether the Catoinisaiouen were, Jima *aria, ur
not.
Ti.. Carl of LA UOTRO tt. COUttildra sue At necessity of
attending to tip preitral moo:111,1.
Lord MILLAR D thou.-CA cc,thcr the Noble F.sul (Staa-
b:Tr-, the Hoerr, nor ih North of Witten. Irad lure at-
teiutrd to witli r• ape. t by the Noble Loves iittiunite If
this ..es not the form, it become tire Nobie Lurils ',Trot
nee. . -

Los .1 Rsniaoatr. via.linotett the rharvter art the Com-
missioners, sad llniosht the'y Lad tweet trrAral ant. ir.spro-
ref limikOmte. Ao one ef them. Le s►ould give au totter
tcev.ot than the contained is the repot*, ti.aleas he gait
a Peer of l'arlar.tratt.
The Earl of LA unsay ALe all imadve,t• I erne the re.
pevainav of the Noble Lord, 8,4 wondered he could Lave
•eri etv.l that office, plabetaine aseb opiehths.
lo.rl Sr N rfoee carsider...d the f the Noble
3.0ril Ord.-stink), coo rrrrr to hid ahoy, to roj•owrl hy to
ig 4,,,,La.rwit. The tro.raag.. of ate C00tr.14,, 11. war
like the fo•...lets of the Tower of the) had shca
then% wires 11.11whatiao ivelotertr siSraech Law. Hr :.eked
t lir Noble Lord if his roipittet was not euoUary to an e:vr.sa
11%1110C '

The snution wall theta put, and the WWI.. dillided•
.Cllll'ol9l
Nott-cout, o

Majority ag &mot the Motion...

iXt 56T4 N Sir -lotus SI 14CL A I It. our% iithre !Went-
hers crow th... 0C i ommwr, Ikrutscitt op the Irish
Msll Bill, the Stage Coach Bill, the Di huh Fist.-rp Bill, sled
frezt re !ober of pi Wet* hilts; which rare laid ?pros this
311..ilifin•warda ...4 the fl et time. . _

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The *flag Ordwis ur the Du! were tlito &veiled of, awl
tlet tionbe adjOurisea till to wabrraw.

HOME OF COXIIONS.

Sir W. Ct.:itits brought op the Itepart of the Thlnaes Nr
which was oidered to lie on the table.
111,,,,1 'be to.oloo of llr. (t•I1 A Il•, the Irish Fines Cans.
roerti.oi Bill was read a sawed time, and fostered to be ear
omitted to. Isom", .
The Bastard Children Bill was end a third tin's
'passed.
The New Forest Titob. r sod the Smite', Clergy Bill,
were read o second time, alld ordered to be corn:mitt to-
morrow.
Mr. VOSTIR brought in the several Bills averificrl in the
Budget for laying on the new Irish Tiers. Ile also brought
Is a Bill rot reitiilsting the Pabhe 1,116;e• io Iretintol. Newel
II foot brae, iOll 0; &red to be read a sri•ur4 tom to-lour-
/OW.

Mr. Lo,ro most for leave to 'wing in e et relating
the Eastuinatwo of Assize iu the ArusyCluditrig. Le•ve
teen.
The Deports of the Beer Colouring Ball, and the totemic,
fril, were hrought up, and agree.' to; us tile pines:
of Mr. IVstrustr•rs the third 'carting of the latter cis
it postponed t Viednesikip.
The Report of the Lowland Distilleries Rill was brought
up, stud a:reed t•; the ansendinents orttereet to Im• engrossed,
and she Bull to he real ii thud tune to-iliotrow.
Sir C. Pater brow:hi up the Report of the Commercial
hock Bill. dile,' emus Obvert jhUttll (loin tlr. It %G.
epectiug the uoniiiiation of the Dill, it was ordered to he read
s third tune nu Taesdas.
Mr. 1.1 T7(IIISA brlne:lo up the Report of the rote-
Millet on East-Isiliii Mktg+. The ltrAolos lion. %err seed a
serotirl time ; and, after some cutivere.ttont between %l,
cftversir and Mr Dem Das, • bill was orderrd to be
ironed in.
l'he Black Game Dill, the Stage Coach Hill, and die I rt.!'
Gaols Bill, were real a third time, and passed.
Admiral H A Rl' I. V renewed his notice of a motion respect-
ing the itirripilvtime of LaiiJameo into Cie British I.t.ll•Tft..
Ilitrou the mottos of Mr. A.IIII.MY Canter n, tlw 4,,ere.1
Local Militia Pills weer read a second time, and to
be coma oils 51.1 t...1111111%.1*.
The Irish Militia Pay Rill was read • second time, and
ordered to be committed ttemorrow.
The P 021161011 Bill was read • third time and pouted.
• CittftSITTEE or styppix.
The several rasisnrr,ss preorniPd by Mr.
on the 314 of May, ere re referred to the Cola-
=Mew of Simply.
Thu t'lleocr., t.na of the rvenrqunt ideov•4l.
PTi.ot the suet ut t0d.0041. 6:took* be gtse.:ted to ilia

Majesty, tam the Cornmitt:olers for tte redemp.
%iv) of the Land.Tak on Corporation Liwoht."
Mr. CALCDAIIT said, it was his wish that the
question should be postponed to Wednesday next.
The CRANCELLOR of the EXCIKQUINI did not see
the necessity of deferring it.
After some word% from tllr. C . y, Sir John
Austruther, Itme, Lefeire,
Jacob, Mr. Wynn, Lord Md and Sir J. New-
port, the grant wit. 110StiOOO1 to ‘Vv•lttroday.
The Cnamcm.t.vaorthe Hxcnt:aues. theootoverl.
"That the solo of 100,0001. be grained f'r the
Wild of the Poor Clergy." The Choncellor of
the Exchequer -laid, there t sista' the most pressing
necessity for this grant, as rte 'vete of it e Clergy
was truly wretched in this litextlinn. There were
near 12,000 benefices; the stiroth of the greater
nutuber of which did not unintint to the suns of
1.391. antinally. There were 3,400 residents; the
nutnb-r of win-residents asoomiteil to 2,300 more
than this number; some of whom, though actu-
ally and inherently residents, were yet, in legal
oeceptation, tiou-residents. There f oppeor to
the Committee, as there appeared, indeed, to the
coutitry at large, a most urgent seers ity 'or
allowine( the assistance proposed to the inspoter.
lobed Clergy.
Mr. TIE*NrY said, that he conceived the won
of the clergy might be alniudantly relieved by
those of the seine profesiion, whose 'redid' w.is pro-
verbially exorbitant ; and es tii..se latter were se
welt stile to give assistance of a peva aa itt ry nature to
their brethren, OA well as of a spiritual .s.a' tine to
their petiole, it would. I.e thought, be isto:utural
to apply to the public for this mode of uttl ; .114.1
circumstance of drgradatims to the dergy, if they
were thus, the wealthy part of them, hel.l tint us en
object °lnwood'. I hoped toe borne Grit. he: ter.
acquainted with the snhject than he mei, •".Lilt take
it into their tnatureermisider.itioo, NIA ei,t Ate
recurence crouch application tiring the neNt Srm—
Sie'l was 11411 lOU ltd.-01i° 11') Opel t:I•
w'i:, would go to the relief of thole %silo ere Lia.
441)!C t ALM thrum:lves the COOIIIII4III liCt.rstwiriC4
life.

After some observations from Sir Newport,
Mr. W. Smith. Lo-ti Milton. Mr. lit'v en. ?.Jr.
Wilberforce. Mr. Creevey. the Ssilicilor.:ieiseral.
£lr. Martin. the Atturney.thliersi. A.
Bariog, the Rctioliwini was mgr. eil io. •
following ionic were the Com-
mittee : 3,817,. to defray or printing
copies of the Journals of Lim Mouse of Peers ;
1.36.11. for the exptsioes of t'..e Cetrudar of the
House of Peers ; 11,35 M. to defray the outstand-
ing demands for the works of titV Flonor of Com-.
mons; 7,71G1. far the imilditig Lightlioic.cs iu tic.
liplenci; dill. for carrying the phni into execution
for exploring the interior of Africa ; 8,8511. for
effecting the improtements of Westminster Heil
and both nooses of Perliement ; itt,Oott!. compen.
Ration for the Cormnissiouem of Public Cape's.
&tare ; comiwrisinion for the Commis-
sioners of Windsor Forest; dohOh for the Ndtlol,l4l
Vaccine ; 441. to tile Governor of Fort
St. George. to nr.kre up the tielitiency in his ee-
counts ; 3891. for repsfiriniC the Prison of Sherrnras;
4-261. for the Superintetidatece of the Accounts of
the Exchequer ; 3711. to defray the ex-
penses of the Coanmith•es of the Home: 3161. to
the Themes Police Office; 3361. fur the Stationery;
13361. for olfeetidg the pima of a horse put role ; u:id
3491. far some porisose. the nature of which we
coeW not distinctly beer. The vote for the rum of
.10341. for the special toustelales cons in so p-
r rooming the low disturbances. wits, at the histories
of Mr. Whitbread. postponed ; es was the vote for
the sum of 1931. to the Surviyur-General of the
of Nova Syth". for an uwler•comoutation in
his no ouoto. The Hoye then rrsunnyl. end the
F. t...rt ono ordered to be reeeietal 10-nooro.k •

A Mealtime from the Leeds declared their Loreltip.'etseeet
In the l,torlou Deck, Loan, le a Mats Revenue, Eartee
titt;,et n.tt u t toe, sod neverall Prat at. Bill..
Mr. BA KR/ Th,t the Reeolethote MI the re-
port of the Committee eta Pehtie Expeteditere, %reed to lope
eight, sitnalel i priostert."--Ordered.
On tb. n•,.1 oarrof I. wII TO N. the 1111110fi of the Ver.
eine lon..ru oil Wu Esiablistiomt.t wag u.Jtred to be 1414 tre.
lute the Howe.
bltletßY AND CORRUPTION ACTA.

Mr. %Vita.'ts s Weiss. on account 'of Cie ur-
gency of the ether bumsess wtich that House ex-
pected to rogue on, would very. shortly state the
Hill it we. his wish to intredove. He dill not.conl.
plain of the existing I:son n• t pusislii:ig
the crime of brilwry and earroption in the cl:TISII.
of Member, of Parliament. I nt whst he compla•ii-
ell of was, that too vouch cliffs. ally existed in prim-
ing tlivse caws. The object of his Bill wool Ilw to
remedy this evil, and provide for the incl. 'unification
of witnesses, whom it 'night lie necessary to ex-.
and alas no awry tit it douse which arell trill
peliti.norr4 in eeetion castes, front tteinz interrogat •
tel. He arcnteliogly.mowed 1.,r leave th Least tj, a
Bill be emend silte Act. ea the suljict of in itury
and corruption. .. -
Mr. G. JoNSIITnat wonlel not now enter into
the discussion tiis the write of the Bill ; hot lie
tank this early oprrtneEty of nrotestin4 w,oeiost its
principles. It proceeded on (se *Urged in
warrant legislative interference ; anti nothing (sold
be snore suetchirvona thnn In legislate without
CliUSr en 114 delicate a subject as the riliffmt.litglion
in Parliament said the election of its Metnliei se
Leave was then given to bring its the Bill.
The second modem! of the Marley Insurance Bill
was postponed till Tuesday.
THE CATHOLIC QUESTION.

Mr. HUTCIIIIIIIIII moved the artier or th• day
for resuming the debate ens this iteration% su6jrrt.
lie order being read, the S &&&&& a stated the
question to be, that the Cothalie Petitions should
he referred to a Committee of the whole Haim.

Mr. Huvantsson began by stating the ins' im-
portance of the-subject. which involved in its is.ne
the happiness or misery of the country. y. t. lint.
withstanding its vital interest. the petitions of the
Catholic Body, againand again presented. had hr. ei
Si often neglected. It, however. behoved the
friends of Catholic Emancipation. not to be di.'
einir.oged, but to eectinne to press the subject till
redress w4ll obtained. Ile was swore. that. is.
treating of this subject. there were many topics
which the opposers of the rnessiore dill not wish to
bear, heroism they were d. te.rmineel sot le be cow
vinc:sf ; theiwlPll4s «pm fortilirtl, sail their hnort..
horde na d. /le lmd u. holits of overcoming their
iuveterate °pianos, sod only trusted that the

errors ,ef ti Lir *nettles's, in which titre pellet-steel,
wouli not be:visited .on theta., mot witnitoete in
the desolation aid-ruin of tbe tolosorry. Thtepopery
lams ti which they clung soul deft:sited, were urgent
ie wrootg-•-they were iniquitous and baleful in their
mug-eel—in/ their existoug state they were apples-
sire, degraditig, and insulteig. How they had
origiiiated, cud how they were coutioned; it w-i.
untieceloary for him to detail. Every Occasion Itad
been seezed--inoinents of profound peace and tre..-
gtolloty—ill kinds of pretences-ethe dread of lotus gp
oftwere.-.he atteeloment to the faintly of SoWIII—
in fine, s.O oeviosion had been ettlfsresl eo slop, in
which this detestable penal code leas not turret sed
iu vigour and bloat icy. New eines an I petrol; irs
were ompored, as the goilty conscience of thole op-
premier. suggested ; the druid of retnbutiou. ur the
terror of punishment; taught tle-rn to talculste
on avoi ling it, by opteresstii. i mod
barharosing a people.—(llest.)-01thieohno..itous
prit4l colic. It ores true, muds had been reeeslett ;
but the part hail het II repealed, only to perpetuate
the teuiLmoler. *1 iie Cioileloties semaiinoig,
were diwooscrful; impultue, rood unjust. By tumors
men of the highest ruck. sites, of the great. st 'Via•••
tura, men of Use brightest geniu., cud moist exalted
enclowuicute, men celeisrated for their heroism and
willow. were ..legrutled. Imusuled, wad reiidertd io.
capable df the ateliiments is. %lath their merits
entitled them. Nothing could lie more dettimentel
thus that principle to the prusienity of Ireland; for
what could be tome injurious than to shut the door
of honour and reward op those who an well deserted
to have those paths open to their views? Suine oppo-
sers of this measure said. *loft they would not share
power with the Catholics, because, if they del,
they (the Catholies) woodel not be estistied till they
usiireed the whole.. 'ems was au orgionent utterly
indefeasible ; ire, frost% the power and number of
the Catholics, it was impossible they should desire
or 81111 at monopoly. Others. who opposed the
Catholic Claims, did so because certain achoon.
ledgments which they insi.trd on wear. nut made
by that.hody, But for the doubts they expressed
stn Ittn, scree throe was no fonlidatton ; and to con-
tour to treat the Catholics as disloyal and un-
worthy It, be trusted, b cause 'they did not comply
with these deuinues, was edverote to awry just prin-
t-oe. '1 he Catholics tuck the oath of allegiance,
the oath called Dmigream's nark titan which a
more severe test wes never subedited to iw • free
emoutry, teal they °oily refused to take that part for
the oath of supremacy, whidi was hostile to the
tenets oftheir religion. Sll obliging thrust* ackoollf..
lette a power superior to the [lead of their Church.
From thi. it was evident no iejary or daoger could
result to a Protrataat State. Why would the* I e
gaunt:yodel. us to act at, of a Catholic was not to be
trusted on the u.ttL. hr took, seeoug that fur such a
kiwi' of tome they had proved their respret to the
Seuelity of oaths. toy submit:id* to every tetorciril
pr.rati (((( tether than Fullscrilr.: to that decleratioe„
of which their con.ciencra dieippmved 'nth am
the best bet:miry of their observance of oath.. and
that it was their rbsire not to mothspottae, but to
share the poweas of the Goverinnent—not to de.
stray. but to protect the rotate. With 'expect to
the coronation oath, it bud not been urged as a
loaner to the Catholic Claims, in the orluseassim at
this time : hut it was evident that it still entered
into the oopewitioot they experienced. Were this
ohjeetion fouiele.l us nrejudoce, it was the duty
of Aliaisters to endeavour to do it away ; and
if it were eat ro, they were answeralfle lot the
that it was absurd to somata...
that in the oaths of the Monarch there was
.ally closer winds could inilitote ageiost the wel-
fire of four millions of his subj..re a. Look at
Abe tlevultition t at the time of William 111. the
first Mutisarch who took the oath rs it was nes.no-
Jelled ; by tb .t King. moil by those very persons
wow framed the oath. it was net lot hl to bear the
interpretation now ?divulged to tie put upou it ;
otherwise they would titter Intro tiotated it, by
granting
.the futettrio anal pelt lieges to Dissenter*.
nauttlril in tlitit rri4st. In the tame of George 1.
and George 11. there were ems in favour of Dis-
senters, is, awl Jewe; which were also direct
violatious of the oath, as now replaiued ; end in the
parrsrut reign, nothing could he more conspicuous
than similar or greater violations. But the oath Malt
now urged ag.iitost the reacindi ug of nets pouted enure
the tonic of the Itrvelomen. This as, most extra..
ordinary ; for how could the with be applied
alpinist ems which hats been Limit d enure it was
utilniocd? Imptetrit vs it was, soot to militate against
the liberty of the preple, but to Omni uguinst
tyratiby .ruts oppression.—(iicur. hear.)—But
were it even abut it ens conteutled to be, then he
would say. let it he ra'.istd and modelled accord.-
Mg to the cireinneteocea of the co rve and the
pri.artit tours. Ile had Maul much tall; of Jaco-
lefla and Lett Beta ; and, if there were prrsohs dr.
awing these rl sellatlau..he would of ply it to
throe who iasioted ow this al jection. amt thereby
put the oath of the Chill hlagististe fig:dine the
interests of the people. It was also soul, would
yon hate • Protertssit him:, mod a Cailocolte
I loose of Leols and ' ? Th. • • was 111)
dae-
ger of this; for w. re event all the ll r tuber. F 4111140,
for 1r..64.1 Catholics, thry could not hate aright
sufficseat to mooke'uoty Ott ndin,a in the Legislation
of doe couoitry. On the dotensoon of die 16.11
Budget, they leol been told. that the Irish acre
not n people, and that the people
is, this i 115111,431 were more retie; to that hied 1.1
fusel. They dui certeinisly tut more padding ;
in Stadion'. it was said. they fired were on out.
tneal. As for Ireland. he wee not spigot urlmitting
that they were a potutrouleeding people. Now. whet
(tenger to the Coo-[station could there be is. allow-
ing urea Catholic Nobles, who fed ou potatoes, to
take thee seats iu the House of Nei-% with sixteen
Scotia Laird.. fed upon oatuireol, end about four
hundred daiiity puddinx-fed English Barons?—
(A load Isying wide this trifling,
.dttl y out Lwow slim the pfliple iu all
were whatever • heir Goverumelit made them ? They
weir gaud or lad as their riders willed—were they
well goveriont they were satiatisel, conteoted, sisal
happy—On the . , thee were aggrieved, full of
••noophoods sod dignifies.. This was exempldiert in
the I fuguenote of France. in the beginning of lest
milieu. who roomteol the expressions exercised
otputu there with the soloist horrible 'attests It was
the Mime with the S.itoove till they attained their
oNere—e ads the Seo lilt the independence of the it
('hutch a as AS louse le '&4 :owl • oelinned-•-with the

tit Many inaurrettions, till ti.e
C harten 1.-.—vritn the Steil:al.* i., t.,r tst
en 4 lAtely %with the ). sigto-A in el .
tadeti to the frith I evolutien, in
fraction orthe Treaty of buiein k, N hies,
enoqiirrell end opptemicd Irma urtst
disc.•itte.ot. They had r,ond 1111 l to , ,
itafiAed with the Chinn, 't :he meat.. 1.,.... ,
c.irry it into tGt t. ti.t.t, but it Lin 1: .
in authority, that they bud bil; been Apittioilt.,
tipple etrd, hitt that un I.:ttited Vint:lama ,iol'l
r• ntrdy thu evda of pinch they had to courft:n..
Fritai such an expectation they had buhtnitt.xt
the naiinnattlegrailatiou. A Noble l'ircuinit (t.'utt
result) l+&11 told dirin that on pledge
on,. 6.4,4 so In-here hitu,but would hr aflitw, t!;::1
a dectarati 111 l had been made. that t ht.). snob!
Ire ertmeiiptted by the. Union. eaut the Catin.ln.
onntd hum that tittasure ? and that,
11.4
i.vt ue aided at, that a .ou:d hate beta in ii
now vr sii•te en. in bore entri...l it ?--(licar,Gew.
The speech nt' Mr. Pitt. so watt
~,
Ireland on the nerterion (he vi.oult! tl e

14Uittl (

Lord) were tt re•fetred to • jury of tetel‘c
their outfit. Kotad they. hot say. th.tt it a 5 1„,,i
fit let ottlativit.n to mint itett e the eatht,:u.„,
eiterdily r. pow.ible t From thew, et.t.shkr..l,ol,,
he foul II ngl.% to ray tit.tt the Catholic. at,e
job dadv.! itet eivedl. They who:I 110 %1.. ry
. .

-fitr tits. Catlll3l:Es, t.o tl:ry
thing n ulr thud till Cathutisr insti it 11; i.t N t
tom. awl It wigs just NIA bononrd4:e iu thin )
kraut. rie vroilla caution the: niglit

the shatitl-L
etaribtaiy to tshe cure, kin
lett to the eiteusy. Ile vests hnpi to tied, that the
gietit champion of frith tutu% relay is
hewn; sod it Wlll4 I•utri.:6l.t evidence a
knitter. of the Catholic Cli.ims to linut, t;,,;
ever since the question %sr introduced slit
nulls, Miiiisterr were afraid of the eiscussioui. lit
n...s sorry to find. thut en %tile enemy cr
Lathalies apperired in the tour,, of the
(We understand bun to allude to Sir W.Sentt ) 11,
Learn.-. 1 Judge bud alluded to the relallisu
of 1798. as a Catholic rebellioe ; but he h,(11),
Pitt's str horny for saying. that it au not a Cad:s-
he rebellion ; on the contrary, the ceuaties
ls
the Nobility and i>tit•rarclty we;r di.
C Pf
the clergy, who h t.l been ii rue
bjecohrUitt. rTe
si
melitingv,rdo.lA;
v
previously Irtuaeht
them into contempt, were cunrerned in 'hat us.
fortunate Isesinews.. Bet when the Learned Janes
was on that enlject, he should have goce labile
and stated the abuses of Government. acti the est.
duct of Administrations which led to it. v.s
a subject spine whirl", if 'his Hight ilocos.si.4
Fia. lid nut the time (Mt. Guinea). the c'et aid
tried friend of Ireland. had thought to
scot telly the hair of the lilecuh:r fur
' Famtersetshiro would have stood On .v.,.1,
evil' the 1.411113Cil Judge Mansell would ire ive-
keneeledued its energy and extent. He c•
merited the in: reusing liberality of tbe li.o.
testa's', still anticipated the appsocch of that do.
wheat the Irish Members would be tninurta
their call linr eniattetpation—a cell. which be had
' too much dependence on the liberality of the Hoot
to suspect them of resisting. He ass scare, th.t
many twosome of eclightened 'elude («wog yams
nu the I.esrued Judge. an doub.) tntAla abject to
the priecir!e altogether ; hut he lied no imitative
in easing, skit the generality were Ingo' a and i,ir-
seciitors. -Ile reminded. the Hon.c, that, in p:u.,
scribing the Catholic religion, they prow.nhed the
religina of souse of the mist eminent Plitl,toplars
mid Statesuira that ever the 'odd produced. With
rasped to the Veto, he would only say, that the Las
tholie Hien, reby was the elude of conitexiou between
the Government and the previa, and that any thing
which had a tendency to Auk, the Hierarchy in tie
confidence of their flock,ought to be avoided. If !hit
provision would have ouch on effect, it wt•ulsl be the
height of mapoticy to insist upon it. ii. sales, there
was no ipstance abuse of,power in the eleri,y.
He conferred. that frUm blinlaterewhir had betrayed
ouch imbecility and contreetedness upon every or'
casino, hr expected nothing upon this. He so •
hotted them trot to sutler dug l igotry to cut tie
sinews of their strength ; they had sett the
saute excuse for coutinuing disebilitiea which their
ancestors might have had to lay them on, sod should
have learned something film the desolutioa which
en
rounded them.
Mr. O'Hst• made some observations on the
Delon, end regretted that the Catholica haul net
come forward to support there who struggled is
favour of the Constitution. He rejoiced. perhaps..
at much 1414 any man amongst them. at the repeal
of several Acts of di-ability. and at their admisneu
to the Unfelt-wit ;invitees, of the elective (fetichist..
fit *Wail that all restraints could be dune ass!' :
lint die tune was nut fit. Geses% &sirens to knoc
s but the sentiments of the people: of England sere
'tient this question. which. us at %rid to make en
tilts ration an the reprrscotatiuusof iieroseuny,be
thought they would not ininitql,ateli accede to.
The enixthre of Catholic wide Protsittint might in-
troduce a tis alship betsern the two religtens, It
an appreheosion cf it. which, et lewd, for the pie-
bent, world make spited the wittier%
The Marquis of Tutvistoets was for going ie'o
C •er —lle doubted whether the veto coll.'
be varietal to the Plotestant, null did not tiled; it
would be emitted by the Catholic. Ile sdnitth.. •
that the rocurr.sion should be combined with
lotions far *rearing the government against fen,gut
influence. They should lit
of liter millions of their coontrl tothe
ij,
ynien.
Ireland we. the object they ehould le E
.ve in el-.
the affection of the Catholic would be sinew ef
rit
ee
st rent li 111 them in resisting the power of the enemy.
SIT T. Tut Toll opposed the motion, upon the
grosnd of their refusing the et' .
Mr. TAT COT SuppOrted the motion.
11r. Mos.'s') said, that thoogh he nOP"rra of
some of the sentiments expressed by the lit. HOD:
Gelltielitall who introduced the subject, and of coin..
of the eti:.inns lately promulgated by.a Noble Fetr.
et he could not agree to going into a COMMi_ ottce.
to frame mind arrange a measure that he bad
sort of certainty would be acceded to or nri'r6".
of by the ortitiooers ; for, when he thine 10 cur
tinier that the Bight Hon.Genticman, on the g".ient'g
of hiss i•eeeti. aimed. that whilaforrign nonitesitm'th.s.
Wila Insisted on. respecting the Catholic Cl!c:tF,
I .-ner of petition war wholly • •

MN

when he contrasted that, not 'Only With the declare. a
lien of the Cat'optic Prelates. bht with rem.
lotions catered into by. the Catholics in souse
on ely*. which mesa to declarethey could
not agree to any contend, he could not see whit
pn,,sinte prospect there twos a the result of their la.
lours lu the Coui
'suttee being at this moment enc.
resole'. He on all rms.-lesions heretofore opposed
this measure, not frond aly•po ejndice to the Clotho.
lie, not iron] any illiberal motive, but upon broad
.rmstitational principles, and objections, which, he
VIM free t 3 acknowlestge, min every dev.ieseening.
as the Catholic • WM• every day connecting himself
mere closely with the real interests of that couistri,
s anbarkiiig in its commerce and manufactures, awl
cotioreting liisn.eff wit u its sieneent and de,,,,,..i cuts.
Ealllll. We must then suppose that self-interest.
*lone will isidure hue to upheld that Consti.
"lino, an I to suppport that Government. un-
der whic:i his prosperity auJ himself exist.—
We have then but little to fear from granting these
immunities.except from the lammed of religion.
end that cede a. connected with a foreign power, sod
•t po*cr likely long to be hostile to ns. He would
~,,,,,,d roe its that it was for the advantage of tbe
colisti,•, it ell as the Protestant. that we should
swatch, oritli a jealous eye. over the inOnearce of fo.
soloist een' wy. We already know what dissensions
love beea creates! in that country by the inflvience
~.1. feliiion, We know not how soon it again may
be atteinp•cd by one inveterate fee. that has at this
,u.„„..,,; .0 touch the means in his possession, by
horiug consplet- dominion evil' the Pepe; sod tho'
• there are many Cotholics. whose loyalty and attach.
meet he was certain could out be Aitken, he was as.
nailed that the minds of n great number of the un.
thinking maigist be washed upon, if not sufficieutly
gliodel against. With this view of the subject, he
mast uhject to any prqpontion fur further Minimise.
t es, sit tout that propaeition was accompanied with
full sad specific poweis to our Sovereign over their
religions sot cull establishments ; a power, at least,
equal to that exercised by him over other sectaries,
Ile could not, however. be brought to think, that
a pre it massy of this siainerous body would be re.
;wed by thi• speckles measure. To relieve the ma-
jority of that hotly. cud to satisfy the minds of the
taa.;3rity of all classes. you should reform the tith-
ing system, you should provide for the Catholic
Clergy, and not allow them, as at present, to drag
a uneenible subsistence, from the lowest °Men,.
The,. oiessnres, he contended for it. would do more
~,...b.se the mAjoiity of all classes, than any other.
air. hassett went into an histori:al review, to
she* this the only way to govern with effect was to
eat • id the privileges of the Constitution equally to
all. One of the satisfactory results arising from
the 'lnstitut •a., !ilia the Cutholics were given to
underarm.' what t. was that Government required
of them ; and he ens sere that, upon consideration.
they woeW see the propriety of acceding. There
lieu -rounds enough for g3ing into a Cowrnittee;
and .betlicr the enough
was guided by the prin-
ciple ••f groitule, or by that al compensation and
• atermatee, they ii!sould hetes to the claims of
Irelln•i.

Sir itoLen Mir.naaite win of opioinn, that bi-
gotry hod roe a great way iu alienating the af-
tectiws of Ireloial from this country ; it was now
necessary to lay aside third bigotry, in carder to
conciliate heiaithir picSeiti alarming cri.is.
Mr. M.Nocinna dvfesided the Prmtestents Croon
the charge. Wm were urged against them, awl con•
t.odril, +Ma the Catholics were in possession of all
the reivileva tlify could with propriety demand.
Mr. 8A;31.1 14, in a speech replete with argument.
emit th:t the Catholic.% hail it right to ev ry
requited,•and hulding it from them was
moot oni.:s*, aid most lutehristianable. The Ca-
tholics were ant in a mute that City could lawfully
toneccle, for they war not au incorporated body.
Ile Wa, of opinion. 'it *mild be much better to go
into a Committee; it would then be in their power
to e.k foe security. Ile wished much for Catholic
Emtocipatitio, but be thought some pledge should
be given, ant that could only be done by the
Haim avellingoto a Committee.
CApt,4lll Punta, iu a speech of some length.
empAe6 gang into the Committee, and said, that
altlcioah loopy in the navy were Catholics, and
i:rav,tni,n, yet, in the time of &tiger, .and their
COU.ary vvis consi•lered, they coastal to be Catho-
lics, and actectas mea.
DuNDAII npposeJ the measnre, on the prin•
ciPle io.or.ted in Lord Greaoille's Later to tAe
Ceihtliee.

Mr. WYNN supported the motion but
comrades!. Vint it wotild he necessary for the Crown
to hare Toted in the appointment of their Ili.hops.
Mr. M. FITZOTtRAI.D, in a long mail eloquent
Pe'riti.esnctlitted on t:.e dcprirettonif of the Co.
1"ho'. *tail contend-. 1, that it was out or their
,A..:rn give any plvilte to fr. Majesty's present
4,..e.ter., eviewed a went of knowledge of IS
r.tit 111 l . It had been acknowledged by el par-
iw., that, at some !unix!, it would be proper to
tettit the Knageilhilio,.. the
ilmotvatile (iontletnan (tilt. Perrerel)
it 'l°o'l metre ? wait it when a Freach tinny
hi! :ended to Ireland ? Ile loped not.; bat trusted
ea. i the Cutbol.es h..s come to a decision amongst
lle.n Ave.. we to the veto, that tolerstinis would
toy, through the land. end that peal tyranny
he forgotten.
The SoLICITOR-GRN En A I. 01jeCteti 10 rain; into
the Committee, her:lase a thought it would not
t`rid is any pr•setiotl grand, soul that both Church
ful Sine would he end utfirred.4 themeto was not
to the Croon. Ile entiteinled. that even upon
• ' int.tciples of the eilvficAteti for the ipteittion, It
roost dangerous to grant these powers to the
t unless they. in return, Zit e the aectoilY
..jaired of them for the safety of the *ate.
sitr J. Saimaa, coneorred in even point with
Member for Stockbridge (Mr. Potshont; end
"ritett!y recommended toleration.
Lard (;60110 GIIINVIi.un defended the 1,15010
ntrd /run Lord Cirrailles letter, and voiptesteil
; Fief:Path-tan who drew cottelutiotts from d. tin'
'""ble to the CitlturieS, to lead the too I.tzt
or the pereplart.
Air. P. MOORS sopported the motion.
(:RATTAN eistunteneett a very tittle 4"."9" In
speakers who hail tartan ti:c ottposttc
;I.' in this debate ; it,. and comm 11,,., n.,try
af
mrqameht• against nom; into tit.- C. in RP st • •
Innyvy Its ftv.lor of that After
toe !Pohl, of
the Lcatt,el Gcuttt nun (*lit Sdtc: 7 Of •

'General) it was no* not only due to'prlice, lint to
justice, to the Catholics, to chew, that they staters
as they were accused, Mid deteraiiiie.d in (scour
of • foreign datuitiation. This war nor tine case ;
in the eounties of Tipperary: Kit ;ere, &c. tied hid
come to quite an uppcisite Resolution, though at
the wiser time they were equally huatgla to the con-
eetama of the veto. Were •this speech uncontrs-
dieted, the impression would go abroad that the
Irish Catliolice hail declared in fawner of Fiance,
sod that the schism between them and their Pro-
testant comitryinen ors irterioncileable. Another
Right Hois. Gent. objected to the Catholic Claims,
ou the ground that they ought not is he 'admitted
to the privileges of a Siete. who did oat acknics-
ledge the supremacy of the Chief Magistrate.—
If this principle Was carried to its extent ; no Ca.
tholic ever deserved to be admitted to the rights of
sow country, us in no age had they ever mode this
acknoofedemeat. The Synod of the Catirolics,
and the Catholic Burly. only asked for the integrity
of their Church; and that the of et of the mode of
recouciliaiiou should come from those in power.
who had the ability to curry into effect whatever
plau they proposed that IniNht be agreed upon. As
for what wits said of the bite Ministry quitting office.
he diffeed in his opigren on that point. They
relinquished the Catholic measure because me,
could not carry it. and tiny gave up lnf
fires, because they could tint reliaquiltirtheir
printiplea.—alear.'/—lt was also mid, that
the lower order', in Ireland hod no firebug on this
question. It was not so. They tint feel their de-
gradation, to the very lowest individual, who
Could pare the disabilities under which he
laboured with the shies of his fellow Protestant.—
The disnrders that lied frequently arisen were olio
dragged into the arguments. on this subject; but
the cause of these wesolsit the laws were the ene-
mies of the Catholics-01nd they could not there-
fore be expected la be active in thieving these
laws. The objections to the question rdSid-d into
two heads; let. As to the period ; and id, as to pria-
eiple. These who contended on the latter ground
were few ; hut deem who stood upon the former
were more numerous. As the principles seemed
thus to be silen tip, it shewed as if the disqualify-
ing oath was only Catholicity iii the abstract,--
There was, then, it was now allowed. oinking in
the compOsition of the Iridunan or Cothtilic that
rendered him unfit to participate in British rights ?
What. then. heroine of the charges that were wont to
be urged methis head ? They had all sank into oh-
hvioa. This, in itself, was a greet triumph. and be
might say, were it the only points*, this discussion,
that it had laid bigotry prostrate.—(lfrite.)—The
question thus thine to he mulch unrrogsed, as it
rested 'solely on the gu int against foreign influence,
and Viking the neer soary preeentioris th it no spi-
ritual influence of our natural enemy should be '
exercised to these realms. This was so pea-
suitable and obvious, that the Catholics could
not object to it. With n-speet to the objection of
the time, lie could dwell little upon that, and only
state his reason* for preferring the present to any
other. It was better to Accord to these claims now,
because they ware so generally desired by the Ca-
tholic burly, and came constitutionally forward lay
applieation to Pat I inment. Secondly, it was neces-
eery fur tite,bentifit and warty .of the State. that sr.
rangeinents between the parties :night always beanie.
poseable. Anil, ally, the cement of this Pepe, which
was necessary. might become mere difficult, if he,
as iu all probability iirewould. was elected from the
subjects of France. rind was devoted to Bonaparte.
Any delay was, therefore, dangerous: and he would
lay, that if they had merited .to the Catholic Peti-
tions hi 1801. in DOS, or even id tBOB, they
might have hail the Vega conceded. which was now
refused, and the consent of the rope, which, in-
deed. they might bate tow, but which every day
became more precarious. Ile imputed the change
of sentiment. on the subject of the Fete, among
the Catholic.. to the writings which had been too
plentifully circulated during the summer. An
Hon. Gnat. had said, that ins this point the House
bad been deluded. How could this be, as the
House had rejected the petiSon ? The delusion
must have been one of the Hon. Gentlemen's. upon
himself—s solitary delusion. lie rejoie-d in th
approval signified by that Hoo.Gentleman,of Lord
Grariville's opinion', as iii that cave, if they hid not
his vote on the present occasion. they mug tie SR.
tidied with having his couscieuce. He hail been
asked what he would propose iu the Coinmittee--he
would propose to them to consider between the Veto
and the domestic nomination, and thnounce their

decision to the Catholics; but by refusing the Com-
mittee. they opened the way to no arrangement at
all. A Right Hon. amt.'s main argument against
the motion was, that the Catholics would not be
satisfied with civil liberties. were them granted to
them ; but would demand more in ecclesivetical
estaldishmeuto. Thus did the Right Rem Gen-
tlemen give his evidence on this subiect—evidence.
not as to matter of fart, hot of opinion ; sad nibuot
a people with whom he was etriequainted. (Hear.)
u pou thio evideuee, sod another opt Rion that he bad
111117 formed. that the Catholics were totacinua of
Church power. he world found the disqualification of
five million; of his fellow-su'tjects. As for their ten*-,
mousems of Church power. that was pr. tty
rally imputed to all Churchmen ; but ...old the
Right Run. Gentleman therefore turn the Bishemi
out of the I luap. of Lira.? The Preshyterioris

were accused of twasti.t. g republican pill
Lip:as—were they also to bee degraded? I%'ould
ha take the °tuitions of d.ff..rent wet* lei to
eurp other. and tiwreon found ytrripetu.d
ties ? Let ht.n look at Ireland, and he would find

ma.ibwain..ut. IL then a.iverteii to the awn-
hers of Catholics in the army and navy. The
Recruiting Serimist. he LIM. was r better unliticiau.
thou file ,shouter; for, with lesstlicologra he *rat
from *trete to street, with ion drool and ti'e, and
intliscrioniaately ettli,ted Iltotestent
and trailed them into one hand for esiz defeuee of
the State: lie then adverted to the urginnents ad.
guyed by rine W. Scut, nod the accusation isgaistst
himself, of having said the G • fluent ought uut
to legishste where religion was conc, rued. as that
wan Wisest") Gail a.:.l tAe lmat. own con- •
science.• He did say, that the State head no right
to make laws for Heaven. Tney bad no rigld to
regulate the 'nothing of the heavenly holes, or
declare, by law. that the square of the hypo-
tlienuse of a rigfit-angled triangle wes equal to the
squares of the other aisles. Whet w.inid laws uvail
in these matters, the, one regulated • by (intl. the
other determined by geometry? But the State had
• right to legislate, wilco toilettes were conjoined, or
cloaked with religion, aid a connection wrath a fo-
reign land. or natural enemy. wan entertained as
nioctrine of the Church. nut slain was net neces-
sary, as that Learned Civilian (Sir W. teats) con-
tended it wits, to the Ca. holly Church or relogi• in. It
wag impossible they could cherish such a pi inciple,
which was against the wand law and law of nature.
If any Clergyman iratild a. to him that such ilocw
trine was punt of his faith. he would ask him how
he came to preach so diabolical a doctrine, as
Lucifer sat on the throne of fifteen? With respect li
to Dr. Milner, ha wistild only quote him agniust him-
self, on the @object of the Veto. and bay that he was
totally mistakes iu every word be imputed to
(%Ir. Grattan), in tote last debate upon thin qqes- •
Om. He Coachided by observing what the state
ov the country would he. were the politics of Mi-
nisters persisted in. They would allow an eccle-
siastical connexion aid coninietticetion with France,
where Cardin d Fetch. (in other words Bonaparte),
• might soon appoint leek Bishops; and to c•rnedy
thin. they.would incapacitate, or, an other cords,
politically separate, the Catholics from their own
Government. This was so absurd, that the Imre
mention of it wan suffi.icnt to elucidate it% folly and
iteefficiency. It wise a policy that could nut last
long; and if they did Dot go into the Committee
ant,tlwy would every day seethe folly,the cri ine, the.
Misery of their droSsian. soil hereafter they would
be forced to grout • flame privileges to compulsion,
which at this moment they might betow an a boou.
Mr. Re DER explained. He never seta he en-
tirely reitseided with Lord Grenville ; het that he
agreed with him, that the vele alone wits stsffi..ient
to destroy the present china. without cacti.%
upon any other ground.
• The Gentry was then cleated, sod a division
took place :
Fur Viclarattat's 11111111111 lO9
*Oast st *l3
Majflrilysgaitsat the Catholic (laid',
Adiaurord at HALF-east 11.111.3 11.1111/ClO till
this day.