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Ilene allowances, likeld always Voeifeetly net erL
„tend Chat was the amount of the whole of his
;aerietent; Claernor-in-Chief, but of
ell hi emolonseets wising (ruin other source.. He
toidititood that on b &Maw aight it had been
Joie a cbarga egaims die Colonies that they did
their proportiowee shave in the military ex-
geodesic of rite eieent7. end that if they were not
able to maintain the Force requiting. for their defence,
hey were not worth, keeinug. The Colonies, it
should be remembered, were integral parts of the
leopoe They hod, broueht into that con-
ilitiooorul large weer tintilo7ol there by
ce pin&
the subjects if BUS "bert of the umpire, and
they were sot, therefore, .to be let with-
out odemiste military protection. The Colossi's
were tined. mod heavily taxed, and the blame
.lid not tie with them if the produce of thew.
nixes was not propeily spoiled. The Leeward
were subject to the 41 per
Islands, for insmisce,
cent. duty, sod that was applied to the pension list
lisMaghilid. la Detnelate there were tax or seven
tarp sumcoree, which were held by pennon io
tattoos who had never e'en seen Demerits.
If iherefote they did uot directly pay towards
the maiatenaace of the military force employ
ed for that, ormeetion, they furnished large
mew which were applied to some other branch of
she expenditure of England. They hid beard of
late a great deal of the distress to which the at-
cultural interest •f England wes redoord
greet and oinirerisive n that distress might be, it
impossible that it could exceed the distress which.
was at that moment pressing on every one of the Co.
tanner mud be fairly believed that with the exception
of the manufacturing interest, there was no owe:
interest in the country that was not equally premed.
Such, indeed, was the condition of the Cele.%
that they were so longer able to pay the large oneds
that were formerly drawn from rhea. He kttsts
Alt the Island of St. Lucia was complaining very
loudly that they were obliged to pay 3.000 i. a year
to a govertior, who was recrivirig besides a large pay
as a Major-Genteel from this country. It erase
daty of the most pressing and imperiorn necessity
fur the Government at this time to cot duwu the
expenditure of the country to the lowest possible
degree, and the same necessity existed far the sine
conduct towards the Colonies. He thereght that is
future it would bra most convenient arrangemetlt
for the Committee, when about to vote the allow-
soca for the Staff in the Colonies, to ascertain what
was the summit of salary paid by the Cull:mires to
tiersorie holding appointwieuta ow the Staff.
Sir R. Faaeueon preiroming that lie was the
person alluded to as having made the charge
against the Colonies, to which the Hon. Member
fur Coventry (Mr. Ellice) had referred, begged to
"ye that the observation* which he had made was
meant to apply to the new Colonies oily, and not
is the old Colonies. With respect to the law, be
fully concurred in all that that Hon. Member bad
said respecting the misapplication of their revtones;
and he did say that if the four and a half per cent.
duty were applied to the proper and legitimate use
to which it woe originally assigned, those Colonies
might keep up m staff and an army fully sufficient
fee their defence; instead of which it was distrie
bated among certain ladies and gentlemen, who
were instrumental in brioginjootembers into that
Home. Wheo. tOtt COW of Hope &mat came.
into our posemin Sir Jame. Craig. who coat.
mended there, stated that 3,0001. was a sufficient
salary for the Governor, and that the revenues of the
colony would 'office for the inaintains•ce of the
force ancestry fur its defence, and to defray the
charges of its government. But at present, as was
notorious to every body, it was an expensive burden
tb this country. That was a necessary consequsace
of the system of coloi.ial administratioo ; because
the moment a colony came into our possession, the
Miaister created places of every kind, with large
salaries annexed. to provide for the dependants of
Gorerninent. one-half of the expense of the
present establishment. in that colony would am-
ply provide for .all that was requisite to its
civil sdmioiaration and its military protection.
The Governor alone had a nominal salary of
10,000 f. • but with all the other advantages which
he had br:sides, of houses, pliunatioiss, slaves, &c.
and the difference in the value of the currency, it
was equal at least to 23,0004 • year in this coon-
try.—(Hear.)--He repeated that if the funds were
properly applied, they would keep the staff and the
whole army 'mensaly for its dpice. instead of
which they were so directed ao 1 Itilite it • useless
burden to this country. .
Goo LIU N rose to an' shone observation*
to what hod fallen from the gallant Ge.
• nial. whom it had been his lot more than once to
ramt.upos the present question. He could nut
help thinking that the pliant General had fallen
upon an odd way of reckoning, when he stated that
because the Governor of • distant colony received
10.0201, io the depreciated contrary of the place,
and it was very well known that the currency in all
the Colonies was stall times in a greater or Ina de-
gree of depreciation the salary which he received
us. equal to 2.5.044 here. Whatever the value
of the currency there. it certainly could not be
affected, as regarded an inhabitant of the Colony,
by the value of the same sum in this country; for it
would not to farther there than the same sum would
here. iVhsiever might be the expense of the military
establishments of the Colonies was amply repaid by
the advantages derived from them. But men of nor.
row minds, amongst whom he certainly did not in-
clude the Hun. Gent. (Mt.' Ell.ce). were generally
is the habit of coosideliug opfy the mins, without
taking • comprehensive view of the esigeucy. He
wits always of opinion that dine was no worse po-
licy them underpaying 'officers io the public eeniee,
mid the present system of the Colonies could not
lie diminished without material injury to the in-
terests of the Cplouies, at well as to the incidental
adrautages derived to this eentyy.
Mr. Ewes said, that the daemon in the rate
(rf exchange made a oonsiderable alteration in the
'slaty of the Governor. la feta he received his
'4lll id 23 per cent. discount; at present he re-
caved at the fate of 12 per cent. premium, making
s (Ureteric, of between 30 and 40 parr cent. betwteu
the tow periods.
Sit H. Feeouson said, besides the nlary, the
f'oenior had two houses and a large farm. toge-
ther with 4r, slaves ; sod' hie aliewooces and salary,
taketi together, might be estimated at 46.000 E •
ltsi, which, in his opioion, ought to be muskier.
5417 reduced,

kr. Baattri+ Baia Is iiil isdesiees iit4eliti6
'Aeries sbnald be wt .00t of view. In 1791 the
staff of CanadaatM4ated to 6,000/. sad now it was
16,0001. In 1791 the Wet Indian Colas* amount-
ed to 10,00•1. at present it was 116,06•1.

Aftri a few words front Lord PiLICULITO*—.
Mr. Hula said, that as many tilansbers had come
into the Haase unee he made his statement., he
now felt it necessary to repeat them, the Hos.
Member then repeated the reductirins that might, he
made. .1
The House then divided epee the sieeedelent.;.'l
Ate.
Non

Majority for the 'Minister . IS
On our return to the gallery we found
Mr. &I 811111 LY, on his legs. He said the Noble
Lord bad stated that all the reduction which oonld
be mode had been effected, and the Noble Lord
had taken to himself great credit for these reduc-
tions. But he (Mr. Moberly) denied that the No-
ble Lord was entitled to any credit at all, and he
wished his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) would not
waste himself a exhaust himself night after night,
bat nose at once to the items which might be re.
duce.% and let the country decide between his Ma-
jetty's Government sod his Hon. Friend. Let bun
propose what reductions could be made with ho.
noer and safety to the country, and that would be
this ears-teal mode of reducing taxation ; that wee
Bib Coarse he would recommend to his Hat. Friend,
whs. in his winnow's, had done more sobstantial
I neat to his country than nay man who had sat is
that House for these 20 yeas.
Mr. W. Satre disagreed with his Hon. Friend
in the course he had pointed out to his Honourable
Friend (Mr. Hume), although he fully concurred •
with him in the opinion he had expressed as to the
invaluable services he had rendered to his country.
When his Hon. Friend had first commepced his
campaign, no man ever thought he would have
gained so many victories, and be was satisfied that
of he weut on and proposed, item by item, even in
the present Session, reductions meet be made that
were not thought of at present.
Mr. Howe would he very happy to take the ad-
vice of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Moberly) if by so
doing he could relieve the distresses of the country.
But his opinion was that he should first reduce the
estimates, and let the surplus saved be applied to
reduce taxstion—(Hear, hear)—and although it
was certainly a laborious task. it was the duty of
the House to persevere, because it was impossible
the Noble Lord would not ultimately yield to
the just wishes of the country, and reduce the pub.
lie burden..
The Hon. ROBERT SMITH wished to ask the
Noble Marquis whether any communication had
been made to him of the intention of his Royal
Highness Prince Leopold to propose a reduction
of his salary to the scale of the other Royal
Dukes ? He hsd understood that such was the
sympathy of that illustrious, personage with the die.
tresses of the country that he wished to limit his
own localise to afford them some relief.
„ThaNarquis of LON DO II Denny could only say,
uommuication had been made on the sub-
ject. It was a perfect novelty to him.
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guineas a day.
reasonable that that salary should now be reduced
to the same rate as during the war. He also objected
to the increased salaries of Generals abroad, and he
thought the reductions should go through the whole,
commencing with tb.e Commaoder-io.Chief. Now
be wished to knew what was the necessity for three
secretaries to the Commander•io-Chief. Ow had
VoBo4► a year, *nether 6001., and • private snare.
tli:rzw.•year. He thought that in these a re-
should be made in that establishment of
`,LOOK- Ain leaving
.1,9081. to pay the secretaries.
There were besides other clerks, whose salaries
amouoted to 6,3191. Stationery and candles 7001.
There wet also • chaplain to his Royal Highness,
although he was at a loss to know whet was the ne.
~eamity. He had a salary of 1154 a year. besides
bidding other offices. There were no circuosstowes
which, in his opinion, required the services of this
individual. Ou the whole, he thought that with
Illeolfrepriety. a reduction might be made in this
011111blidinsent of 3,6561. including the reduction
of the pay of the Commander-in-Chief, the Se.
itretaries, end the Chaplain, and Ile should there.
'fore move an ansenoment to that effect.
Lord PAIMIRSTON said that the Hon. Gentle-
ate (Mr. Hume) was the most rigid anti-episco.
Indian he had ever met, for whenever an ecclesiastic
Clime in his way, he was sore to strike him out of the
list ; hut the House would not consider his services
were too dearly requited when he assured them that
the Chaplain to his Royal Highness attended the
guards, read prayers for them, and attended at their
schools. It was tree he held other appointment.;
but the greet plurality of sitinttions did not amouot
to more than 5001. a year. The House thee would
iset think the salary too much because it was
divided into different items. With respect to the
pay of the Commander-iu-Chief, it must be re-
membered that it was not paid to him personally,
it tint the pay to which hi. rank entitled him ; and
a reduction cou',l not be made without a complete
alteration in the service. No situation could be
filled with more ability, sud any body acquaint.
ed with the army could not be ignorant of the
great mental anxiety attendant upon the office. or
the attention with which its impo-tsot duties were
discharged.—(Heer, bear.)—Any farther reduction
in that esublishmetit would, in his opinion, only
tend to cripple it. and render it iuefficieut.
Mr. Wins wished to know when it was that that
rate of pay had been allotted to a Field Marshal.
Lord Pamixityrom replied that the alteration had
taken place iii 18111.
Mr. Holz was ready to admit that the conduct
of his ltoyal Highness was most meritorous, but
in his opinion that advanced pay had no counexiou
with his rank. and he was sure the Gorerutoent
would best consult the wishes of the cciOntry by
making the proposed reduction in that estisblisli.
mem.
The Morquis of Louporpsasy spiik, that it ap.
peered to him the Hort. Clevallespais. had takes an
odious, ovoreherged, or aufbuaded view of the que..
114112,-14 if there were airy two others in the pal/

lie litriviee ithjoyed Sore Itsrtietilaiiy the con•
Arlene, of thelhabiie And the apProbatiod of the '
Name, they stir! the commander-i&Chief and hie
Secret asy. *sides, it amt. be tea cohered that all
Yield Moralists ewe entitled to the utile pay as'
the Commaisder in Chief. and he 'Nod be glad'
td know was there tiny. thingfinthe cntrinct,of the
Hislse ookraik to iotitiry ott ey,oeptioo.-41..,4
AvtrY.ollcer M the !Oaf Aires maid seconding to his
rank, and it would be contended dist they were
to be paid by hitece. Here they, had the lien.
-111ethbet pouderiOg over and cuurinii*.'aceitiints
belonging to the office of the Commander-in-Chief,
which any child could ititilitrood eaplain; as
to the pay of the Vorder•Serretary of the Corn-
mied„.in.chiet; he was astonished that it 'tumid
have been noticed, if it was not for his knnwledge
of the industry is( the Hon. Member for Aberdeen,
for there was no efficer who had more dory to do,
and was more badly remunerated for it. He gene.
rally gave the Has. Member.aeme credit for dis-
cernment and industry, but he had never heard a
worse case made out on the score of economy than
the present. He was convinced bath sides of the
House would scoff at it. Were the greet services of
the Commander-in• Chief, which were acknow-
ledged by the whole country, to be. thus treated,
and his just reward to be considered an (MUM.
brance ? He did not consider he would be assurniug
so influence over the use, when he said he was
convinced the' prelim; of ame Kw Member
would be treated as it mooted out of the
Committee.
Mr. blannaur said. die easeiderod himself
called on to make some observations, from the alto.
moos which had beeu made to him bY the Noble
Marquis in the courie,of his speech. He. was not
feud of taking the estimate, in bulk, bat he had
merely complied with the Noble Lord's own
recomtnendotion; official persons had the advantige
of hiving the details before them, which he was
deprived of. If the Noble Lord would cotoeut to
go tato Committee. item by item he would show
him, that the Government of the country could be
managed at less expense than that proposed by him.
He would be willing tu pay every map ie. office
litteially. but be would me that they were lent
fur the duties they undertook ; hot he would take
care to have we more persons easployed than were
necessary. There was no Honourable Member
that had a higher opinion of the services of the
Commatider-in-Chief she, he bed. .o.* ,rants
time be considered the redaction rewired by his
Honourable Friend woo necessary.
Sir JOHN SHaLLOT bore testimony to the great
benefit the army had received from the care and
attention of the Coausander-in-Chief.
Mr. H. G. Belgium said it was act his inten-
tion to have spoken on the 'object if it had not bent
for the interference of the Noble Marquis, and his
sarcasms on his Hon. Friend, the Member for
Aberdeen. attempting to hold out as if his Hon.
Friend wished to throw a stigma on the character
of the Commander-in-Chief, and his Hon. Friend,
his Semetary, who, he was convinced, would not
for a moment suppose thet he would personally re•
fleet ea him ; he bad known him from I boy, and
always had the highest respect for him; but when
public money Wllll.lO be voted. be, as a Member or.
Parliaatent. ycold forget ell.earaosal footing. He
would ask, if the same service was dorm by Colonel
Gordon its the year 1801 for 1.0001. a year,
_ why it
could not be done in 1822 by Sir Herbert Taylor at
the same rate? He begged.leave to disclaim any
persoual reflection, but looking set the state of the
country, be objected to the amount of the salary
paid to the Comatander•iii-Chief and his Secretary.
General GASCOYNI said, however the question
might be disguised. it was no more nor less than to
pass.a stigma on the Commander-in-Chief. When
the relative situation olthat royal personage to the
throne was considered, would any man of reason at•
tempt to deprive him of what he was entitled to for
his services. and pen a stigma on his character ? It
might as well be said, because the Dake of Wel.
lington was rewarded for his services by the country,
that he ought not to accept the situatiou of Master-
General of the Ordnance.
Lord PALIaggSTON said he was fearful that it
had gone abroad that am account of the peens the
duties of the Commander-in-Chief were diminished;
the contrary was the fact, for ia time of war office's
addressed themselves to their commanding officer,
but officers being now on half-pay, they were coin.
pelled to address their comisuoicationa t• the Com-
mander-in-Chief. which made his and his Secre.
terry's duty more heavy.'
Mr. CaLcaarr said, he bad voted for this esti.
mate last year, sod it had not been increased. there.
fore he would vote for it again. It was certain the
army must have a Commander-in-Chief, end they
could not have a more capable one thou the pre-
sent ; for if the office was vested in any other fa-
mily, it would become a political one. He was of
opinion the Secretary was not overpaid, and he
hoped his Hon. Friend, the Member for Aberdeen,
would nut press the Committee to a division.
Sir G. L COLg was convinced that the office of
Secretary to the Commander-in-Chief was not over-
paid, and that no moo could fulfil his duties bet-
ter than the present occupant.
Colonel Tasecu spoke, but be was inaudible in
the gallery.
Mr. Hotta said, it had been far Ins his wish
to pass a stigma on the character of the Coltman-
der-in-Chief ; so far from it, he had paaied every ,
encomium on his great services, and those of his
, Honourable Secretary, but all that he wished was,
that the ollovoince made to them for their services
should be brought down with other situations
under Government. He admitted the enejority
of the House was against hint and his amend.
went, but be was convinced that before long they
would agree with him in opinion. Ile would riot
withdraw his amendaseat, but he would not divide
the Committee on it.

The amendment was thee negatived without a
diviiion.
The House renamed, snd the Report was ordered
to be received on Tuesday peat.
The other °Mon of the day were them disposed
or, end the Reams adjourned at HALV-PAST
TWILVI O'CLOCK tO Monday next.

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1 Mao. Hume thaw& that the export a the office
1 iktphielskresclif.reetlirtieicio. In 1114 the CadtaAti'ed
omnriand:rf-
io-Chist had a salary of nine guineas per diva, arid
during the peace it was raised to its present rate,
aisles guineas a day. And it was wet at all un-