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_glit.
erdre aim munieekol in the ~senorjillltilliellAi
day to General I. neare, •the Pertateses./sparl*
that he might state his sentiments uplifts it to Int
British General, previous to the negomation of the
Convention. The Portuguese General rent payers
eontaining reflectious upfol that linuistiee, which
were totally anfouittled, mid they arrived in Lou-
don previous to the dispatchestfroat the army, and
thereby raised an improper preitencregamst all
the subsequent proceedings as to tire Convention.
Although Sir H. Dalrymple did not think it pro*
vii rot to produce this letter to the Court of Inquiry,
o.i account of its being not so much of a military
as a political einture; he (Mr. York) conceived
that in fainiess to drat iris/lout Officer it ought
now to be product d. There ware also repre-
centations made to Sir Arthur Wellesley from
Oporto, whole he did not receive till four days
after the Convention hail beau actually signed' ;
and these he wished produced-1 epausa it was very
Tema:id:o4e, that they were very ildferently warded
from those proceeding from General Friere. These
eviller% were in the prwsession of the gallant officer
liin.s-If, wed might formerly have beets produced
h. him, without any inotion--and therefore Its
could not conceive there would Ire any ohjectiou to!
• their production. They would, at all events, chew
the public how cautious they ought to be in ar-
raigning their military and naval officers, heron*
they had all the hafortmttious ruvtittle upon subject**
.of this nature. It %vas our Natalie in war, that alp
most all our armies were always opposed to their
eileiny in difficult site dimes, Cad in inferior num-
.bers ; besiJes this, it was nut possible that they
could be so well *applied and eiiiipewd, upon the
• Continent, as those they had to tight with. If it
was not fur their heroic spirit, they might not have
been, in mei)y instances, so successful as they had
• been. Add to this, it should also have been con-
sidered, before the public condemned so severely
as they did, that Sir H. Dalrympleconlil nut have
been in possession of his full Judgment of the al'-
air in which be had to take an active concern.. In-
!teed of there considerstious, the politic% roared..
',Joked to what had been stated in the perioiheal
preyo-and he should ever protest agaiust that deel-
-1 sive and immediate censure which was pronounced
without coosidoring the rest circumstances of cases
twfore them. By these means, he conceived tale
. gallant Geoera4 hod hero harshly treated in elle
Prevent in.leuce, tad he should therefore move—
s' That an humble Address he presented to Ills
Meitstyv Irmeiogfere espies or estosets of a latter
from Sir H. Dalryaiple to Lord Castlereagh, dated
Dec. V 3. 1148, together with the enclosures rela-
tive to representations Iyy•usy Portuguese anthori-
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fe.aercntion ecnnutunirrieil
*, iti August, Isom, a. far
public iervice--trigrther
Castlereaghl'u'. ,
id, he didiffel it hit dilly
niakingetromfiestetcations to
----o the hoomerable and
i -make couiraernica-
rith the Convention,
ppesercei that id that
it think it pctideint
demagog to Jostify
sg the case. he
produalinu of these
. .1 of. any •jiverefit,
J NW* hems inure
is of deapprotestion
much as he, appisived of
certainly, is opposilug
- - assure-his night
itari lespelosioc
fti Ws Majeaity's Om
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. Geo. Tau-kens said,•Abst aljhough he would
not object to the outlaw, yt 1141:Sauld liot hull)
thinking it. vosruM eat have soy bent vial effect iii
justelyeng Chat clisgeweet al Convoistaa,,, nor now of
those connected with it. This General succeeded to
• thd coinrisaird.of an ariny, espial if cot supepor to
- ! the freach,..iu cavalry, in infantry, and see *trivet.
These were o.rposed to ale army composed of bad
materrials.rfor the army of Jutiot, it mast he recol-
lected, were not like the army of Spam ; Ili short,
ir. was such an army -as might veep likely:hove tai-
' ow phed over the lAorteiguese, bat not over British
• forces. He should be sorry to hear any Officer ex-
pressing kiinself as that Right Hoo. Gpentlenum
, ' bad door, fur although lie (Mr. York) bad been
wart . ss• lisetetary et War. be appeared to have a very der-
V' fermi tinge of mind from any -military person as
to -military transactions. Maly Officers had told
him that a
.gnat and pernicious edict had, been
•• produced ear Spain, in coasequence of .the pre-
!
ohms Convention of Ciatra•;•and this he belirv-
. ea, .as it could ant be deemed honourable
fir, any officer to ir with the placard of Ciatra
itmut his fleck. Nom were Owns 411000 me.. of
•-• a timer -description-Am those esopiturad under Sir
.. lilt Dalrymple., and yet see had nothing like the
e invention of Chez* that ahead in the aisaala of the
.."1"' British History. God forbid that we should ever
look upon it in any. -other visw-thno as most die-
- graceful-; for lie world rather plow Waimea in the
' 4"• than pot it to tech a. Conventions as that was.
- Th, letter called for had sot town trewomitted till
1 si.even days alter the Convestson of Centre, are i
a • ne-tirsaght that the Gesawels might to be .cnn-
w•• .tieurned for their delay is rending dispatches.
Wises the papers were pasiliiced, he should have
"'. en opportunity of more fully delivering his opt-

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gneobou to the Right Hoes Secretary opposite.
There had been lately a Spanish Treaty concluded,
by which His Majerty engages toassiet the Spanish
nation against Fraoce, and promises not to ackuovvia
ledge any olher King than Ferdinand VII. his
heirs. or such lawful successors as the Sienna!' us-
tine should think proper to acknowledge as their
Sovereign. These words appeared to -him to be
capable of two interpretations, the one was, that
the King was bound to acknowledge the legatimute
representatives: of Ferdinand the Seventh, in right
of heirship; and the other to acknowledge such
Monarch as might he de facto. the King of Spain,
or such as the people of Sixth' chose to acknow-
ledge as the successor of Ferdinand the Seventh.
He washed to have NU explanation of the real
meaning of the contracting parties upon this point,
previous to the discassiou that might afterwards
take place upon a subject relative thereto.
Mr. CANNING, in answer, stated, that the treaty
certainly bound Ili. Majesty to assist Spain so long
as both countries were in alliance against France,
and not to acknowledge any other sovereign of
Spain than Ferdinand the VIM. Hut it was to be
recollected that that family was already in the ac-
tual possession of the French, so that it was neces-
sary to provide for a case, in the event of their be-
coming extinct, where a contended and divided
claim as to the right of succession might arise. Ile
had no doubt that the Spaniards would give
the right construction to the proviso allud-
ed 10, for it was not in this country that it
could he so coustrued, should there arise any
contention between the two branches. It did
not depend upon us to stay who was right, or
wl:o wrung. It would not have been proper for
Its to have said merely that we could acknow-
ledge the lawful successor to the Spaniel) throne.
lie that would he leaving es to determine who was
the [twinl heir to it. As it stood it w,,tila be Irv_
timucy qualified by the acknowledgment of a na-
tion ; but, as to the acknowledgment of tiny Stave-
reign, imposed upon the Spatiiielt nation 'iv France,
it was obvious that the obligation of the treaty could
pot upply to it, as the whole par of that Treaty
to obviate that usurpation. To suppose that tlae
Spaniards would acknowledge a usurper, was sup-
posing a case of difficulty which would entirely an-
nul the Treaty.
Mr. POPHIIIM .expressed himself as pant!),
satisfied with the Right lion. (;stitleman's expla-
nation, but he could not yet approve of His Ma-
jesty entering into a contract to lie bound under
all circuinstunces and difficulties, to assist the Spa-
nish mains,. There was another point upon which
he wished also some explanation. It related to
what appeared in a letter from Mr. Frcre to Sir
Jahr; Moore, dated in January 1809; wherein it
was stated—•' I leave to request that the bearer of
this may be previously examined before a Council
of War." He could nut help thinking that it was
• most extraordinary request, for a person, not
military, to make to a General commanding His
.114ojesty's Forces, and wished to know what reason
could he assigned for such a power being given to
an individual in that suitputiOn.
Mr. CANNING spoke to order, as he thought
the Right Honourable Gentleman was not merely
putting a question, but entering upon other sub.
Teets which would lead I.iesllllr. C.) to trespass
much beyond the ordinary mime of reply upon
such occasions.
Mr. PonsosraY acknowledged he was wrong in
60 doing, and therefore he %fauld confine his ques-
tion, by asking merely who the person was who
was entreated with a message of the :nature he had
stated.
. Mr. CANNING said he could not gnawer the
question, because he did not know who he was;
but he maderstood that the cause of the examine-
I of the person alluded to was, that he had wit.
neared a scene passing in a quainter totally distinctfrom the place where Sir John Mome was mationed,
which it wail neressery to divulge open oath.
THIRD FINANCIAL REPORT.
Mr. PoxsottaT again lose, and stated he next
wished to put a question to the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, relative to the Third Report of the
Committee of Finance. Ile wished to know
whether that Right Hon. Gentleman lied any plats
I in agitation, for the purpose of carrying into effect.
that Report. as it contained subjects very im-
portant. as to the public ascoaceny.and the ineu-
-1 race of the Crown, and it was necessary not to raise
the expectations of the public upon such matters,
without *hewing that the House had a wish to do
their ditty. He should be glad to know what was
to be done in regard to this particular, previous to
j a motion coming oil, of which an Hon. Centlemati
haul given notice.
.The CNANCILLOR of the Excacques said, he
did not think it necessary to state any thing upon
this point previous to the motion alluded to coin-
..
ing on.
, -, MR. FRERE.
Mr. WHITBREAD expressed a wish to know, whe-
ther it was the intention of His Majesty's Ministers
to continue Mr. Freer in his situation. and also
what instructions were given by that Gentleman to
. :epic rfittasengstv 41,44 to by his Right Montionalale
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Eriend, (Mr. Poesonbyl Mil wheehdr.elk messeu-
r 'gee was a Frooduaa ot aisitaglisbauk
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Mr. CA IS II two simmered, that with respect to the
instructions alluded to, they were already in the
papers laid before the House. As to whether Mi-
nisters were to continue Mr. Frere or not, he
thought that was en improper question at the pre-
sent moment.
Mr. WHITIIIMAD said, he intended to make a
motion npou that ntlitictt upon • future occasion.
Mr. CAN mtma said, that in further etplaoation
of an answer to a question formerly put as to the
treaty of 41st March, he shOuld wove for the pro-
(locums of tt Copies of the notes ex changed between
the Spanish Minister and Sir Jose Moose. no to
die regulation of the army, ilia Marsh 1111118.
Ct(ELSII4 HOSPITAL.
Husitsson .tated his intention to move for
two additional papers, relative to the' lease of lands
4° colonel Gordon. to from the debate of Firittay
met, it appeared to him, that it was almost is
sible, but there had been some misuuclevatat
He had since one to examine the inanduesip apd
found that the Wilding they were AWN tie lICN,
would interfirre with the Infirmary, and
mint he saw it he ma satisfied that there WIN he.,
!WWII= . some intentional. or accidental mistake or saisander.
Mr. Poll9ollllllr, in pursuance of a antis* he gave I standing and a departure from the order of ihe Tres.
• yervitery. rose for the purpose of potting a kw miry. In consequence of this,theSurveyor-Geuineleif

' IMO Olt Wit% as to thg'Coovvotton
' Mai Arthur Wellesley, itf August
• aa net injurious to the public Mr
• erith the answer of Loci Castlerengl
Lord CASIFLZREAGS paid, he disld
to state, previous to ntaki!olFoa‘
Parliament, that he did apprise the 11
f4stiatit offifxr in querioa ...to -01• A
tutus of all papers connected with tl
to Ate Court of Inquiry.--iilt appear
Ouse, the gallant officer did not thi
,V=ry more dtcut
being th
',„"raidy was not aware that the prod
pers now sought fur, would be
441ltho‘tgli, indeed nothing could hi
`exaggerated, than the feelings of
is the public mind, and much as
the whole transaction, he certaiiill
this motion, . could distinctly awn
Friend, that none of. that injor
bard beco excited on thy of Elio
vernmant.

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• hem.
• '' Lard Cleeet.seeio Mode some observations
. elderly applimble to what had fallen from Mr.
s.- • • York; hut not atieliMe to the gallery.
a • Mr. NICIIIOLAS CALVEST also spoke. but not
"Viabbla.
•Illr.Yout, in reply to whet tied folks from the
"'ldeal,. 'Lord who hoe animadverted epees hie cup-
' -dad, lie' should beg leave to tell hies, that he
!-Ifflt..Y.) lent been educated iit the principles of a
• Whig. dud AM he had at just a sense of the pre-
' 'native of the Crown cod the homer of his Coun-
try as any man.
'• *The motion was thes pet sod carried. and oh*,
t'' *Nether mention by the sone ltigM Hint. Gentle-
!". •
• Mai rklidtve to sr •1140111111114 of the twalutPoits
am-
`'yylnyed for taking the apalitish troops from Lisbon,
• iarlseed hi a letter to Sir H. Dalrymple, dated 10th
o January, 1901 t.
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lIPATIIIN TREATY.