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life.? mail *as this new Otero less revolting and
dougerous to those interests'? &asperse had •
greet object ni view, to .thieve which he
mode arse upon all the thrones of Europe—
hut present system was the disgrace, as it
would, if,oaccetsful, • prove to be the scourge of
Europe. What were the terms of the alliance en-
tered into by the Noble Lord at the Congress of
Viers.. and by the Treal of Paris? Did they
oat prolved upon the overthrow of all the prin-
ciples which bad been cited as the lessons for
continuing the war ? Since the battle of Waterloo
the catiduct of Englaud had breu in direct viola-
tion of the principles of free policy. The system
of Vienna and of Paris was a elms of spoliation.
Englanti plundered parts of Germany ; Prussia
was deprived of bet territory to enlarge Hanover,
tisrld atm to flud an equivalent in the plunder anei
•tboultution of Saxony. The Government, of Es-1
-Wipe had proceeded upon those very principles ko
•phit."down *loch the people of Europe had beeall
lessiiinx their blood mid treasure for 25 years be-
,Tete the tUnclusion of the war. There was no ex-
✓ote 'fise •this---tio impulse of violence flout an
•rtreiny• to drive it on ; it would be a blot in Eug.
•lish history. But had they been as successful in
their adherence to those principles on which they
prafes-ed to continue the war, as they had been
shainele•s in their violation of them, still it was
horribly disgraceful to continue to hostility with
ibis one man, "rhino they had no right to detain,
•either by the principles of the Commotion os the
-Laws of any free State.
EAST INDIA COMPANY. •
Mr. Math next rose to move for accounts elk
debts doe by the Government to the East ludas
'Company. The Hon. Gentleman stated the gruwth •
.4? tiir delft,- which was in 1815 shout 1,300,004
•traile year 1820, when he had good reason to bus.
Here it amounted to 2,500,000/. He wished to
-Dare ti sistement laid hrfore the Haute of the
amount incurred in each year, and for what put-
poses the itiouey hod been expended. There was
an old Whore which was disputed, relating to
sums expended in the expedition to Egypt. He
wise? opinion that it' should be settled. and that
she act-emits' should be more frequently balanced
than they had hitherto been. He concluded by
mein for acccients of the debts due to the Eaot
Judie CuroPany on the Ist May; 1820, distils-
gnishing the old and the new debt, the amount
•contracted iii each year, and for whet services the
gooney had been expended.
The CHANCELLOR of the Excnxisuta said a
few words iii reference to the acclimate, to the pree
daction of which he bad no objecOas4e-Ordered.e
.ROMAN CATHOLIC DISABILITIES'
BILL. • 4.1
Sir Joan Nawroar moved the Order of the
Day for receitirog she Repast.
•,: ,•!
Mr. H. SNITS broiled up the Report.
The Brannan put the question, that this Elia
•
post be now read. •
Sir T. Lrruaatoua would not oppose the brisk.
ins up of the Report, but he trusted to another
opportunity of combating the measure. The
HOW, MUIR be malicious that the Bills were likely
to prove a cause of great uneasiness to the Catho.
lice of Ireland, and especially to the Catholic
4:19,10. He understood meetings were to be called
to oppose the Bills. If that were the case, one of
list chief grounds for carrying the Bills had failed.
•The Catholics, se they were told, looked on the
-second Bill es highly penal and degrading to the
.clergy. He compleined of the precipitancy with
which the Bills had been pressed forward. and the
want of determination with which they had been
opposed. He apologised for some expressions which
bad Mies from him on a former night, by which
he had given stone uneasiness to a Noble Lord op-
pestle, •than which nothing could have been farther
bow his wishes or intentions.
Lord NUGENT said, that leis mind had been
.mach pained on hearing of those expressions of the
Mem Baronet, and therefore nothing could be
more agreeable to his &thugs than the prompt and
. -donne manner in which the Hoti. Baronet had
himself. He assured the Hon. Baronet
I's" • ' .itsintitemostance should be buried in oblivion.
explett.•.- I.!!! ....gtonalr said, that the Hon. Baronet
that the (a, -eve been present last night, or he
Mrs Anna, •• -•wioard, by the speeches of a
could scarcely I.
`labors, that these Bills were
must have been co. .'weptable to the Catholics
eucceseios of Irish Me • • 'teed, measures cslcu-
is the
shighest degree at.,
of Ideel nd. Thu yetis ilk-
aluses
ei e t
,ird coned*. .811 bat thow.
y depended ma the agitations
o provoke, and who would b)
.s be reduced to their former insignific:.
• li. B. MARTIN said, I
ters s whose distinction
- these Ines-
'ace.
'd let-
List he had ret:eyiv,were esnhe-
from Ireland which announced to him .
great delight and satisfaction the Bills gave to the
Catholic laity. As a proof of the feelings of the '
Catholics, Counsellor O'Connell half endeavoured
1 In get a Requi.ition signed fur calling a meeting of
the Catholics to petition against the Bills, and in
the whole city of Dublin he could only procure
nine signatures to assist in this expresson of dm-
cusitent. One reason there was, perhaps, stronger
than till other to induce Mr. O'Connell to oppose
the Bills. He well knew that if Government
offices were to rain down es thick as hail ou the Ca-
tholics. not one would rest upon his shoulders.
There Bills would carry entaucipstios to others,

to which he alluded last night. He dial not know
precisely their opinions on the subject, not louring
hod auv communication on the matter. He knew
that sentiments of disapprobation would be express-
ed ; there was not yet sufficient time, fur althoogli
the question is now so long before the flosise, yet it so
happened that from the manner ill which it has gone
they hate not been able to get the necessary infor-
mation in Ireland. elle knew himself one Catholic
Clergymen, as loyal, as intelligent, and as respect.
able as any member of his profession, who was
decidedly hostile to the present Bill; and lie
thought his lion. and Learned Friend might have
abstained from making the getters' unqualified
statement he did, until the House were in pos.
searsion of their opinious. There was tint a Catho-
lic in the land who lunged more ardently for their
emancipation than lie did. Ile should feel himself
honoured, he should consider his seat in that
House ten times its value, if they were admitte-1,
end it was on'that account shut he felt more
acutely, the observetioti that they were dis-
loyal. and ill7disootsed fur disapproving of
the Bill. If hr were informed correctly, the
Catholics in England, as well as in Ireland, were
averse to the measure; he, therefore, appealed to
the Noble Lord, and the eislightened wisdom of the
Parliament, to make such alterations es to resider
the measure acceptable to the whole body of the
Catholic..' This was the only possible mode to
effect the great object of conciliation, which every
tree friend to the inerseure must be anxious to pro-
mote; for he never could be induced to vote fur these
restrictions, and he should feel himself 'bound on
the third reading to vote egaint these penal enact.
melds. He ass sure, at least he hoped, that the
term factions, or disloyal, could lacier be meant to
be directed to the Catholic Pricathood ; that most
virtuous and respectable body .of men, without
whose usistauce the tranquillity mid peace of 1;e•
land, or a connexion between the Government and
the people, could never be preserved. Ile was sorry
lie dial not see his Hon. Friend the Member for
Galway (Mr. Martin) in his place, who had,
he hoped uninteutitouslly, let himself fall into an
indiscretion. He regretted that Gentlemen some-
times availed themselves of plivileors it would, in
hisopiisiou, he much better to avoid, in mentioning
the names of intliv.duels who are absent, ani COMM
sequently have DO opportunity of defending them-
selves. But the name of Mr. O'Connell havitig•
been mentioned, he would say that he lied no cor-
respondence with, nor was he acquainted with the
oPinions of Mr. O'Connell, further than appeared
iii those papers he addressed to. the Catholics of
Ireland. But lie had the honour, and he wee
proud of it, to reckon Mr. O'Connell amongst hie
.pueste friend's ; mud no matter what some my
think of his public principles, Lis private character;
at least, must atat,d unblemished. In all the rel.'s.
tious of private tale, as • husband, a father, or a
friend, he was mcst couspicuous ; end lie believed,
no matter what some may think, that there dial nut
exist a more honest-hearted Irishman, or a man
more sincere in his public professions; and lie
should rejoice to see the dry when that House
would have the benefit of the transcendent genius
of his highly-talented friend, Mr. 0!Coonell. lie
should be ashamed of himself, if he did not rise and
bear his testimony to the character of Mr. O'Cou-
ssell in his absence.—(Heor, hear.)
Mr. ABBRCROMBY explained. He should be
extremely sorry that any thing he should say should
be viewed in the insemerit had been by his Hon.
Friend (Mr. Hutchinson), whom he had known so
long and valued so highly. lie assured him that
he made no allusions to particUlar individuals, but
in speaking of five millions of people in a state or
exclusion, he said it was impossible there would
Hot be some misguided and some interested per.
sons in all times and in all countlies.—(Hear )
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE observed, in reply to what
had lidless from an Hon. Member (Mr. Abercrous-
by), that he was in the House on lest night when
the statements were snide respecting the opinion*
of the Catholics of Ireland.
Mr. GIPPS made some observations respecting
the education of Protestant children, which we
could not distinctly hear in the gallery.
Mr. WYNN observed, that if the Honourable
11.-Of riiity,
Gentleman would look to the Act of II if
he would there find, that no •person could take a
port in the education of Protestant children with-
out signing au adherence to the Protestant religion.
Mr. Girt., replied, that according to the3lst of
George 111. Catholics were allowed to endow
themselves. He would wish to know whether that
would undergo any alteration ?
No answer was given.
Mr. CHOICER wished to cell the attention of the
House to the oath of supremacy, a question to
"hick he solicited their attention three }eons ago.
conceived it was • great hardship to.tnake the
lie swear flirt " the pope had no authority
• PrOttb. within these realms," although the Ca-
whatever . • that he has some spii noel authority.
shut'e admits stated lay the Hight *clour-
If, as had bee.. l Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett),
able sod Learnt. , obstrumal difference between
there was no real or a '4 one be explained fur the
the two oath*, why Oulu. 6, be entangled in the
Catholic, and the Protosteu. wooed. Use
old oath? According to this Bt. fun eug„i„.l.
spiritual authority of the Pope is . •er " that the
these
P,

Mr. Pcift admitted the statement of the Hon.
Gentkraal,. The Protestant denies any co•active
nuthotity ; but the Catholic denies the same, and
why not make the oaths the same
Lord CASTIMIKAGN observed, that he knew a
Catholic who took the Loth, with the consent of
clergyman, in the manlier in which it was under-
stood. And with respect to the Protestant, lie did
not apprehend there was eny explanation neces-
sary after sqo years practice.--( Hear, hear.)--
There was nothing in the Bill that went to alter in
any manner the essence and nature of the power of
the Pope. His reason for objecting to the propo-
sition ROO, that it would give greater alarm to alter
the oath fur the Protestant, than if an explanation
were given of the oath of the Catholic. It might
become a great objection agatn►t the nieatmre, and
obstruct its progress in another pluce.—(Bear.)
Mr. Caoau thought it wee quite impua•ihle
the Protestant could now take the oath as regu-
lated, now that the authority of the Pope is le-
galired.
Or. PHILLIGORB entered into an explanation
of the oath.
Mr. CANNING observed that as the question was
to come fairly before the House, this prehmn►aty
discussion was quite idle cud unnecessary.—
Every speech raised some doubt, which could not
at present lead to any conclusion.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Caoaa■ explai►ed.
Mr. GOULBURN said, that probably it would
come before the House at so late at► hour the next
night, they might out be prepared to go into the
discussion.
The lion. C. 11UTCHINSON observed, that he
understood instructions had been given by the
Pope to the Bishops, that in their correspondence
they should ebatat►r foam , all temporal and poli-
tical reflections.

Sir JOHN NNWPORT moved several new clauses
to the Bill : one to prevent Catholics front sitting
in parish vestries, or to vote in the disposing of the
property of the church; another to empower the
Commission to dispense with the ecclesiastical
branch, in case of absence, when regularly sum-
moned—and in case of his declining to attend, to
empower the Commission to summon any umber
discharging the ecclesiastical functions.
PROVISION FOR THE CATHOLIC CLERGY.
Mr. CaolitEß 'oar, in pursuance of • previous
notice be had given, to more a clause to empower
hie Majesty to make provision fur the Catholic
Clergy. He felt firmly persuaded that there was
no relation of the Bill of more importance, and his
confidence was increased from the (tvouratdo seam-
nrr in which the proposition was received when lie
first mentioned it. in or out of doors he had
beard no objections to the principle; but some
objections. in point of time, limye been made
by the Right Honourable and Learned Gen-
tleman who introduced the MeliPUlr, and some
are entertained by others as to expediency. He
completely differed front both. He was convinced ,
this was not only the best time, but the only time,
iu which it could be provided. As they were all
agreed upon the principle, he should not detain the
House arguing that point, but would endeavuur to
persuade them that this time was the best that could
be selected. The first objection of the Honour-
able and Learned Gentlemen was, that it should
he left to the Government to make the provision.
He should be glad to know what Government ?
Would the Parliament surrender so great and im-
portant a proposition to the Government? He ad-
mitted the time would emmme when the Govern.
meat, and none was store fit, might regulate the
means of carrying the proposition into effect. But
the policy of the measure should be regulated by
the Pailiament, fur it would be most uneonstitu-
tumid, almost impeachable in the Government, to
take such an important question to their own de-
cision. And he would ask the House what would
be the state of Ireland if the Government held out
those hopes, and after the Bishops had consented
to it, that their expectations should be blasted? The
first step then to be taken was to obtain the sanc-
tion of Parliament to the principle of the Bill.
He could assure the House he was nut such a vain
Quixote as to propose a measure to the House
without knowing whether it could he carried into
etfict. lie lied well considered the subject, and
lied even gone so far as to crolpaly it in a Bill, for
he thought it due to the (louse flirt to assure him-
self that the measure he proposed could lie carried
into execution. The next object to the propo-
sition was, that it might endanger the other Bill.
He could not conceive how ibis could be ce.e, and
he thought this objection came with rather an ill
grace from those Gentlemen who say they would not
attend to the clamours of Dr. Milner, that they
would nut wait fur the Ecclesiastical Parliament else-
where to pronounce their decisions, that they would
take their station, as all sound statesmen should
do, on the vantage ground of the Constitution,
and Iron' that proud eininenre survey the course
they had to pursue, and not be deterred by the
clamours of igitoram or interested individuals.—
/Hear, hear, hear.)—They had been told by the
Right Hon. Gentleman who introduced the measure
in that memorable speech, every word of which, he
hoped, would be engraver ou their hearts, that this
was to be a measure of final conciliation, to put
an end to all the tumults that have so long agitated
Ireland ; and now you leave out the must important
part of the whole subject, you omit Irwin the
Bill the very Heine of those whose essistance is

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it, and arrived safely in harbour, are we to
vesture it out to sea again ?—(Hear,
well knew the delicate ground he w':s treading on,
but the Howse should be reminded that almost all
the blood that streamed from the Penal Code was
from the body of the clergy ; ell the Acts that
were established looked with a jealous eye on the
clergy, not on the laity. They had heard, and
nothing was more true, that without the co-opera-
tion of the clergy, it would he almost impossible to
preserve the tranquillity of the country. Who ever
supposed that the Duke of Norfolk or the illus-
trious House of Arundel' would, if admitted
into Parliament, be dangerous to the Stale ?
None certainly. All the bugbears that luxe been
raised were against the clergy, tint a;rainst the lai.y.
He remembered a learned civilian in that House
(Dr. Duigenaii), who was one of the most determined
foes to the inruaurr, say, that if the Catholics oh-
tailor() emancipation, the Clergy would rare their
old cry about restoring their tithes !And their
hierarchy ; and surely the best way to prevent such
an occurrence, or even the poseibility of it, would
he to provide them ■ suitable maintenance.
Whatever provision is made, it should be libe-
ral, sufficiently an to support them respectably,
but not so much so as to break off their dependance
oar their flocks. Ilis object for the preamit war
to get the House to recognise the priticeple, fur
which reason lie should move—

" Thai a Commission he appointed, under the superin-
tendence of the Lord Lieutenant, to cnemine the ecclesi-
astical arrangements in every district, in order to facilitate
the carrying this measure into effect."
Lord CASTLERICAGIt said, that if he rose to op-
pops the peopoeition of his lion. Friend, it wad nit
from a want of respect for him, or of a contoton
feeling with him on the subject. Nu mats was
more anxious than he was fur the emancipation of
the Catholic*, and he con.idered that great measure
would be incomplete auttl the proposition now
submitted to the House was carried Into effect.
But the qu stion is—is this the proper moment ?
—(Cries of Hear, hear, hear)—and was it wise
now to go to tissue tin a point which would at the
proper time meet the concurrence of Parliament ?
'rile House could not be called upon for a provi-
sion without a recommendation from the Crown.
and even on Isis H. rabic Friend's own •hewing
this could not be a tidal eaeosare, because, if now
carried, it must come back again to Parliament.—
He thought it would be much better that it should
come ou hereafter as a matter of grace anti favour
from the Crown; for he never could allow that the
Roman Catholic Clergy had any claim of right to
a provision. He thought, as it regarded the Ca-
tholic Clergy themselves, it could In better to
leave the question in a state of siniroble repose ;
the agitating it at this moment would seem to place
them in an equivocal situation, as it would hear the
character of a sort of bribe.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
In j ostice to the character (Sara respectable body,
he must state, that, when in 1806 he was authorised
to offer a provi4ois for them, they did then in the
most delicate and disintereacell milliner explain that
they could not then mitt" it without subjecting
their characters to the %station of being swayed
by sordid motives. Nei 'apprehended that Parlia-
ment would not look at the general principle till
they could look at the question of the scale of pro-
vision, 'sod he-thought it hardly fair to call upon
the House to go into the matter without having
fuller informalion than at present. He wished it to
be understood that his objection was to the time,
and slot to the principle of the measure. He con-
sidered that the object would be attained more
speedily and safely by leaving it at rest for the

present.
Mr. C. HuTedttisow said he would now and
at all times object to the measure, till there was*
perfect understanding between the Government
and the Catholic Clergy upon the stihject. He
perfectly agreed with the Noble Lord that it would
be inexpedient at present to adopt the measure,
and would recommend it to his Honourably Friend
(Mr. Croker) to withdraw it.
Mr. CROKILIt had oo objection to withdraw the
clause, on the understanding that the Noble Lord
would at a futore time follow up the present mea-
sure by recommending the provision.
Lord CASTIARSAGH b•gged to be understood
as having only stated his own opinion. and not as
having. at all pledged the Government.
Mr. CIONER then withdrew the clause, and
several amendineats were read and agreed to.
Mr. GIPPS proposed to add to the clause which
prohibits the Catholics from holding any office or
place in any college or school of ecclesiastical
foundation, the words, " or other endowineut."
Mr. CROKE% objected that the clans.-, of so
worded, would prevent the Catholic laity from
endowing any echo .l.
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Sir J.-NgiwroaT said, the clause would inter-
fere with the.Cullege of Maynooth.
After some further discuasion, in which Mr. C.
Wynn, Mr. Gipps, Sir J. Newport, arid Alf. C.
Ilutchinsou participated, the Amendment was re.
jected without a division. The Bill and the
Amendments were then ordered to be engrossed,
printed, and read the third time on Monday nest.
TIMBER DUTIES.
On the motion of Mr. WALLAcx the (louse
went into a Committee on the Timber Dutie
Act..
Mr. WALLACE then rose and said, it became his
duty. as Chairman of the Committer appointed by
the House to consider of the torsos of improving
and maintaining the foreign trade of the country,
to propo•e certain resolution,. The Report it-elf
contained the substance not mayor those retolutiona,
hut all which it was tiecrsiary to submit to the House
en the subject. The House were aware that pre-
vious to the year 1809 all timber was supplied us
frotn the ; Here that period it had been
supplied from our Colonies in North America, and
such heavy duties imposed on the Baltic timber
as had reduced the trade greatly, and must in
no long period entirely put an end to it. The
I lotioursble Member here referred to the Report,
to shew the comparative state of the Timber trade
us regarded the importations from North America
and from the Baltic previous to 1806, and in the

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t4otthern Countries, and would have great effect oa
our commercial relations with them. For although
the small quantity of iiiiibcr supplied by Ramo.,
and Prussia. not exceeding 100.0001. in !slue
could not he of any importance to them, vet the
exportation of British good. which it caused, might
be considered as of ionic corpeq.ience to our menu-
faciurers. It would also be the first step fin.= ti
old 'system to the more enlightened policy of

ciliatinw the Foreign Pneerva by which skim
our econnuercial prosperity could be ottrusaunitly
established. The duty. he calcol.sordi was equal
to a tax of a minima sterling ; soil the questsolt
now was, whether that enurotolius duty should la•
continued for the sole and exclusive benefit r (
individuals connected with the Colon ea, mot
those employed in conveying good% (ruin them:
Gentlemen were aware that these dutirs were im-
posed at a time when an apprehen•ion existed that
we should he excluded fools those supplies whirl'
we had before received (ruin the Baltic; a ahoy
of 21. Is.-25 per cent. was alit•rwsrds added.
bringing it up to 'he enormous amount of 31.
per loud. The propositiou I e intruded to sub-
mit would not bench upon that portion of the
duties which had been intended as a protection
to the Colonies. Ou the subject ow it effected the
revenue, he should mot have said a word, had it
nut boon for a curious orpiment which he under-
stood was used, founded on the word " perpetual,"
as if Purliament were precluded from tottering ou
the couvidenotion of the subject; but Gentle/sea
knew that perpetual, ill parliamentary language,
only meant that it was a duty wV,•:4 did riot expire
at any given period: One t ffect of the dutit•s was
causing a great excess of umber to be imported.
In the last two years we had exceeded by 100,800
loads, the moonlit of the natural cons iiiii
The mei-eh-sot who regula•ed Iris orders by the fair
demand was driven out of the market, and the
trade was carried on by the colonist, alio hail timber
which he must dispo►r 4,1; aa•d the ship-owner who
bad vessels fur which he could get e•. usher em-
ploy. The real question was, whether we should
keep a greater quantity of slopping employed than
we otherwise would. It wits, in fact, a .hippest;
question, as would appear by the evidence of
Mr. Bainbridge, detailed in the Report. ii
was considered by some persons as sufficient
argument against a measure to sly that it touched
upon the .hipping tote rest ; he had the bigheet
re-
apect for that respectable interest, as well as the
ssecesoary protection for the Colonies ; but that
protection might be raised so high, es to be exceed-
ingly injurious to other Interests of commerce.—
He knew that a great commercial marine was neces-
sary for a maritime power ; but a commercial me-
rino., exceeding the nature) detnesol, was A burden
Oft the country. Sailors-were not the only persons
thrown out of employ, and the shipping interest
nut the only tole which had suffered by the
transition from tear to 'wiser. The House had re►
cently before it a Petition fonts the artisans of Bir-
mingham. If a propoairiots had been made to
make a quantity of muskets, not no, wonted, but in
readiness fur smother war, by way of giving em-
ployment to those distressed artisans, it would, he
imagined, not have been very well received by the
House ; yet he could not see soy thing
more extravagant in that proposition than ill
keeping up a particular trade for the sole
purpose of giving employment to shipping.
He sew nothing in the state of Europe now to cull-
since him that this country would be likely to be
called upon to make greater exertions than she
had before done, and sufficient seamen hail ►l-
ways been found when war broke out. He could
not but thick that what was . sufficient in the
year 1792 could be so now, end at present
the shipping greatly exceeded ; and of sailors we
had 50,000 more than in that year which preceded
the war, in which the greatest naval exertions were
made by or. The ships carrying on this trade were
of tbe very worst description; they were such us
had lived their natural life, and whom rinfit fat any
other purpose, they were put to that, as it was mid
that ally thing which would swim would de for the
timber trade. He bad heard it used as an argument
against any measure tending to put these ships out
of employ, that if they were, they could out get
employed any where else. On inquey, it appeared
this was die sort of slopping employed, and which
was thus ;messing upon all the good shipping
of the cuuutry. Ile believed that unless new
channels of trade were open, the 'hipping interest
could not recover itself by any thing but a reduc-
tion of the number of ships. 'I hat must take
place whether any thing was done by this; House or
not, as the trade was apes.ly a lousing one, and throw
concerned would hardly go on with it to their total
ruin. It might be said that be so, why should we
hasten that consummation by a legislative measure ?
He would ad oise a legislative measure, because lie
was of odinion the advantage to •ndividusle from the
continu ince of the system was only temporary.
whilst the injury done to the country wes perma-
nent, and such as would lac outweigh the tri-
fling advantage revolting to individuals. It was
not by forced and attiticial methods that eons-
me►ce was to be picnttied. but by natural
►teps ; one of uLe most efficient would be the
removal of all ostrictions upon it. Every step of
that sort would stove to cons wee foreign uations
that they had on interest in our prosperity, and at
the same time we should be promotiog every inte-
rest and every brooch of iiiilustoy in the country.
It had been said, that if an increase took place in
the Balttc trade, our ships would not partake of it.
The great principle was to get our timber as rea-
dily and as cheaply as we could ; arid when it was
said sonnet it that we should not employ so many
Ships as ii• we had our timber Irons a dimaut quar-
ter. he did not think that was a very strong objet.
tion. If the trade increased, lie believed we
should come in fur our fair share of it. From
the returns of the average number and tonnage
of British and foreign altipping employed in the
Baltic trade, in the years 1815, 1816, and 1817.
the advantage seemed to be greatly in favour of the
British *unplug. He therefore thought it might
be fairly iiiferred, that whatever increase might take
place in the trade of the northern ports. British
proportion.
Committee,

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Zion of .flonapsete, as being more Congenial to the could never' either en this or any otter question, relating to the oath, the cords "Boman Catholics°
diabolical policy of the Sovereigns of the Continent suffer such observations to pus unnoticed. He should be omitted.
thin constsond with the laws and customs oft hoped, if be stated any thing that was incorrect, The SrnAnna suggested that if the clause was
* free Government. He admitted that one his Hon. And Loused Friend sirciaid set him right; such as would apply to the whole Bill, he should
time the conduct of Bonaparte had been ty- but he understood him to say, that no peaceable, move for the recommittal of it.
tannicst, but he did not believe that it was or !oink he ititelligeut Catholic, was ho.tile to the Mr. Canaan assented.
on account of his tyranny that the hostility to melamine; that none bat those who would feel op' Mr. Pau. concurred in the point urged by his
him was so pent and acrimonious. He argued pressed by any relief given to the Catholics, none in Hon. Friend. The oaths as they stand at present..
thus much from the conduct - ars quite contradictory. Yoe must mean Hof
41114sitertaiillted.rtrit-de~ -frith respect sure:Tritiiiikit Tor grouted his Hon. and Learned word "spiritual" in the same sense in both oaths, •
to Naples, thaud6 they dared not openly to abet Friend was not in the House last ought when he yet you make the Protestant deny it, while the Ca-
the of Amalfi*. da auoe rte Ltvad knot be had had a communication from a tholic admit, it. It was in his opinion, desirable
11&r lea on wine t die ors • es pene Zaifin'lic Bishop of the very first,respectability, ex-
that they should be both the attar.asort•Preasia, proArdil. tb'itnvettiOgr 'firnehL pressing his disapprobation ; and he had every res- Mr. WYNN said, the word "authority" did not
at necessary for tbie "liberties of mankiiid that • the son to believe that the Catholic. clergy generally mean legitimate authority ; it merely meant lo-
bar EMperor of frinee should. be iigiosisoned for disapproved of certain clauses, particularly those fluence in spiritual matters.
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spiritual authority of iii: Poor is . Nif , " that the Bill the very iistne of those whose assistatice is and from the Baltic previous to 1806, and in the place in the trade of the northern ports. Britis
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These Bills would carry emsncipatioa to others,
mainly, if out indisPensahly required to preserve year line. lii the latter year the proportion from ships would continue to have their fair praportior
tlitehoasdevaonftalgheiew
lie would coml.. the Baltic bore no comparison with the former Much evidence hod been heard by the Committee
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but they woold not remove the exclusions from him. How then
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The Hon. C. HUTCHINSON • ill, he could not P 'tied in the pacification of the country.
skr of tier the postponing this measure to number Session period. He admitted
. buttliat rtelaet
pptreo,eteicittionin
sit doge and hear the unquiet:tied terms that had re7tims?" The Hon. Gentleman crUf_t.
one of the most ridiculous things. he had almost due to the Colonies, by 6 I
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Liken made use of by his Hon and Learned Friend argue at some length the iiiutility end ausuro.
10 I :said one of the greatest blooders, that ever war cont• duties other great interests were sacrificed, without son of the coat to each of the buildi of shi s
tAti. Abererontby), without making some observe- the two.rotths, but at the suggestionie of son..'t
tious on them. No matter what private esteem lof h
is blends he changed the uniuon I had
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d' The motion thesis the clause ! the it..o? "A wavPlo, ervjuneitherwas it sound to le iii it regarded the the thi i i • this
dashed.
Noting
-ci friendship he might entertain towards him 1 submitinto a clause to be added tu flu! Bill on its 1 wit• . i hat
(told they were by no means incoosidtrable), he third rea ing.
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