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nO(•tE OF COMITCIV3.

The Sostsra 'Vint InT11111:1Wd to the House of Peers hy
l'ittier of the Pleek attended accordingly. On his
esters, hr inforased the !lease thee the Rowel Assent bail
been glees by Corm re iwoon to the follow ing Bale :
The Irish lawn Bill. the Inshflpirits Rill, the frieti Malt
Doty Bill, the Row 11)4;1 Comenise:sisers' sin, the Berl ott
Cosourotsioncre' the Coach Bill, end the Antli-
tare Arron.its Tit
Tire Hamar Wl'4lt into a Committee open Massey's Dicer.,
BM, he whirls Coon.ei see heard, nisi witnesses ...et 'ma-
ritime& The report voicre3 to In nwevired to- morrow.
TM Priwatee.etcaltng Art Repeal ROI was, on the mo-
tion of Sir S. Root t.t. , read • thud tine. end roved.
Me. B posyrned his isolsoo- wss to the AVett India
Cosinsiy, till to- ,no-r.iw
A Message from, :It. l.nerle ananisired their I.orrtsii:ps'
Ames. so she l'itcrif itere;wtton R"t. Cape •-r (tart 4 Belle
T.r.14, the Riil, and Cw Run fir
te-
sardiir• the erste aeirso; tiiszu tha expiring of Acts previous
to the paryinf .4 Acts Or font swam/ion.
The 800 Rag Slorlthir IBS was row:tined. Report rt.
ori.rd, oast ...Wad to be real a (hint flow tw.tosr.i...
The Coilis tacos Doty Bill wee read • third Wilt ate.'
paved.
Ileoisis hire !tilt. the Ausititt. Bill, and the Brasil
Porossr Bills VW" read a third those, atol passed.
()II the motion for the committal of the Reprizal
- - -

Sir Commits Poi' swum& " That there be an
hastruction to the said Committee, that they louse
power to amend the Act of the .6th of the King.
ch. 7.2, to prevent Agents tichanciag the proceeda
- to account.'
Mr. Rose objected to this, as he had already
taken into connderation the best mode of
the proceedings in the Admiralty Courts. under the
tilling laws, and particularly the best mod* of ro-
d sitting certain sum. of money remaining due in
the Weeek,oties, which had been kept back againot
ell remonstrance. ; not having yet, however, fully
digested tio-..e 'measures, he could not submit them
Ike the commis:mums of the /louse till early iii beat
sesaims of Parliament. %%ilea that was broulilit
forward, the I;qlit Hon. Gentleman welchi then
bavcanoopertsl,..t/ of, vggyetiltgaaty improvements
that asigiat oszor to bin.

Sri Ciuttts Nix add' La. that the .diet on he
hall to submit related to seamen only, and he
thought it wits imossible, uutier the present cir-

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eumetances, to delay taking some steps wpm this,
subject. From stoat had been stated, he should
however withdraw his inotiou for the present.

Mr. Rost replied, that the Right Honourable
Gentleman could not be more anxious than he was
to atumd to the benefiting of seamen.
The House then went into a Committee. The
Iteport was received, and the Bill ordered to be
read a third time tu•ttaorrow..
THE COFFEE CCIITO3IB MITT SILL
On the motion Inc this Bill being read a third

• time.
Mr. HISSZST stated carious objections to the
distance of the period at winch this reduction of
duty upon coffee was to take place, and lamented
that some measure of more importance was not
proposed for the relief of the West India Mel'.
chants. He should move au amendment upon the
Bill, alter the third reading.
The Bill was then read a third time ; and
11r. HISBERT proposed. as an amendment, that
the 15th of August be inserted instead of the 10th
of October, for the Bill commencing its operation,
in reducing-the duties upon coffee.
Mr. HvestssoN opposed this. The measure
had been communicated to the West India mer-
chants so early as the mouth of March, ■nd it had
been generally approved of, as beiug the most ef-
fectual mode of atiording relief, without operating
prejudicially to the retail dealers. It was thought
necessary to give retailers to the 10th of October.
im order that they might be enabled to dispose of
their stock in hand.

Mr. M slillOTT stated, that our warehouses were
already overloaded with coffee, and in addition to
that, there were fleets espectml house from the
West Indies, and particularly from Demerara and
Sum AM. with cargoes of that article. so that
there must necessarily be a ;Teat glut of it in Lou-
don. Coffee intended for home consumption could
not therefore be disposed of till this measure took
place. He knew that most of the great retail
dealers had alreai4 cleared their warehouses of

fur home consumption ; but at any rate there
might be a clause inserted in the Bill for indetn-
nifying those that had still a quantity iu hand, for
which they had already paid the original duty.
He was conviseed that Ministers would save more
to the revenue by making the Bill commence im-
mediately' than if it only commenced front the
10th of eleteber.
Mr. Bsettsu said, he understood there was a
great difference of opinion atnongst ietait dealers
upon this subject, some wishiug it to take place
early, and others late.
The CRANCELt os, of the Excntenee thought
every objection was completely . obviated by inti-
mation of the day at which the Bill was to com-
mence having been given.
Sir CHARLES PRICE deemed it necessary to give
retail dealoni sufficient tints to dispose of their stock
Upon band.
Mr. Mt snout thought that the delay would be
prejailieial to the revenue, as there would likely be
fewer cennitners and fewer orders given foe toffee. se
lug as it remained at its present price, as they would
be *fishnet] to delay till the dittses were lowered.—
He therefore approved of the amendment suggested.
The amendment was put and osgatived without
&division. The Bill then passed.
111311r1MOTIBUG.
Mr. WAIDELL, in pursuance of his notice. rose
to make his motion upon this subject. in order to
resent, if possible, n profligate espenditure of the
I.public 'Gooey. ori;inatitig in the system of private
contracts, which had been pursued at the War-of-
fice, in di:fi vice of the orders of the Lords of the
Treasury. He was fully prepared to prove that
these orders had been disobeyed. and that great
injury had thence arisen to the 'white. It appear-
ed that in 1.40 J the first offer made to the private
contractor tar great coats for the army war at the rate
of Ids. 6,1. each, hut that the price should fall
in proportion as the price of kersey
fell.—
How this bad been attended to he hail document*
to chew. and he begged leave, in doing so, to ob-
serve, that he did sot mean to make this at all a
party question, es, from the documents be should
quote. it would appear that abuses existed during
ditferent Administrations. 110 could shew that the
. price of 16s. 6d. had been exacted by the clothiers
who contrActed, even ep to the oth J Feb r last,
although the price of kersey had gradually de-
creased daring every intervening year. He had
the evidence of Messrs. Taylor, respectable matte-
factnrers in Yorkshire, to thew, that in December,
leo4. kersey was as. 6d. per yard ; in December,
1505, it was 4c. dd.; in December, 18041. is. ed.;
and in December, Iso7, it was 3s. tid. These
wure the prices of the very best kerseys that were
made. He might calculute, from the state-
ments lately made as to the Local Militia, that
t 50,0400 men were supplied with great coats every
three years, se that he might suppose eBssoo great
coats were supplied annually. According to that ratio,
therefore, iu 1005, kersey was ds. dd. is yard,
which made a dilVerence of ttil. upon each,
so that Messrs. Pearce and other private con-
tractors were paid 2,6661. 13s. dd. more than
what they were entitled to. In Hub, it was
4s. id. Great Boats-ought to have been 15s. 2d.
and there might have bees a saving of 5,1331. lds.
tuL ; and the next year the price anlcht to have been
26. 94. and the amount that might have been
saved was 15,0001. In three years the loss to the
publie` amounted to 43.0004 which was entirety
owing to the system of private esntostets, and the
flavouring of individuals. Till the Ist of • Feb.
triton. On redaction took place in the price of great
coats, although the price of kersey was so consi-
derably lowered, and the public had to thank the
sport .if other clothiers, who made offers to save a
a vat sum of money to Government, by furbish-
ing fay article at a much lower rate. Proposals
were mule ..n the /nth of June, 1906, by ,Messrs.
Scott and Co. when kersey ass at is. sd. a yard. to
foraish greet coats at las. od. each. That was a
house. which, he believed. stood second in this
ecite.try. sad were much confided in by the Ord-
UaLi, e •Delwi talent for the last three years, not by
essiklug pri,ate, nut by open and fan. eat.tracti..
Their °tier would I•ave 6a7eri at least 21.14751. nun
satild livery to the Treasury, or 7.011. per annum ;
and although ahoy e.rcneel it ionst tstit•tlortoritv, yet it
Ica Lad accepted af; tioveilwaelit pref./gni:lz they olsi

plan or paying 16s. 6d. for each great coat. To 1
*deuce thew. however, that Compuiir were allowed
a partial coati-act, ansi were actually paid at the
rate of IG. 6d. although they bud offered to fur-
nish them at I -Is. 941. A strint4er proof than this
could lad surely lee gives us to the quality of the
article. Upon the tatli of Frio/nary, lobe, another
offer came from the sauce house, stating that they
could then serve the public cheaper thou in their
former offer, keriwy having fallen to Ss. 6d. per
yard, and they were better treated than before, as
they were informed that the army was to be clothed
by open contract, of which notice was to be
given by advertisement. They would then have
furnished great coati' at twelve shillings each ;
but having received this notice, thy accordingly
were induced to wait till'they should get notiat of
the open contract. Instead of receiving it, how-
ever, they were allowed a partial interest, and re.
ceived f as. for each great coat, to place of 12s. at
which they had offered to famish them, Messrs.
Pearce baring had interest enough to get the price
fixed at las. This spewed the fit rour that was re-
perieuced by one particular house. Upon this
one transaction, he could prove, that 16,661 1. might
hare been saved upon the whole: deliveries, or about
1,4001. upon each. The lords of the Treasury
trod intimated their determination as to the pro-
priety of advertising for open contracts; but these
orders, when intimated by him in another quar-
ter, were disapproved of by the Commander-
in-Chief, and therefore were not put into ex-
ecution, upon the ground that open connect*
were injurious to the public. Ile would be
glad to know how this injury had been proved
to arise ? He was at least sure that 50,0001 had
been saved to the public by the Board of Ordoauce
adopting open contracts. It was not ally the pub-
lic but the soldiers also that were benefited by that
system. These objections had no effect, however.
upon the Lords of the Treasury, for they again di-
rected the Secretary atWar to resort to private C• -
tract. as the best mode of suppling the army
with great coats, as would appear from the letter.
dated sib Feb. 1508. signed by George Harrison.
Secretary of the Treasury, to the Secretary at War.
He could prove that between the Sth of Nov. 1507.
and the Bth of Feb. last, the public had lost at
least 30,0001. by the nonseeecution of the former
orders. He trusted that what he had urged that
night would be the means of putting a stop to those
practices of private contracts as to great coats. Ile
had stated nothing but what he could completely
and satisfactorily prove by documents, in a manlier
that would get rid of all arguments upon the soli-
ject. He should now say one word as to a general
plan of clothing the army by open contract.—
It had been objected to this. that it would prore
injurious to the emoluments of Colouets of
regituents • but he thought he could propose the
means of adopting it,withoutinterfering with those
emoluments, by making them a fair and valuable
equivalent. He thought there was a possibility of
saving a very great sum of mousy to the public,
amounting upon the infantry *lone to 101,0001.
and if the same system was to be adopted as to the
cavalry, there would be a saving of at least .000,001:11.
lie estautled with moving, as a Wiwi ution--.

were

°flat it ia the opinion of .his Horse, that film au its.
peeper adhereinee to the system of private ectatraets, a great
sad anotecessao expeuee hid arises to the public apes the
article at Great Costa, and that the orders of tine Lards of the
Treasury,lutes; and I Jos, diietting open contract', wire
highly prop, e, and ought to have been observed, set aright
yet to be resorted to to all eases wham fliesteransent app.,
foe &tibia' for tbe anns, sad that a assiag sight SIM to
the public, withuot injariteg the iatantat of ealseseo
The Secacrenv at 11'xit ruse, end replied to the
arguments of tile Host. Member. lie admitted the
statements alleded to bad barn submitted to the
Treaanry Board, bat he honed the House would,
ere he had concluded, be wetiatied that they had
suffieient around to justify their want of sequins.
eence in the principle laid down and detailed in
those stiteaneuts. From the year 1003 the regu-
lated price of greatcoat. had not been iacreased,
notwithstanding there had lows no tueoasiderable
rise in the price of the etaffufwilich they were com-
posed. After these statements spoken of had been
submitted to the Board, they had taken all proper
steps for the amplest iiireetigution of the matter.
Opinions on the propriety of adopting the new sys-
tem were taken from all persous likely to contribute
romeiderally to the investigation of the subject.
Ile, amongst others, had been consulted, and had
not hesitated to give it as his decided opinion, that
every thing being taken into conaideration, there
was no probability of the comforts and converters-
ekes of the ooldier,innr at the public swinge, being
increased Ly the proposed alteration. The advice
of the General Officers had been received on the
subject. stating, that thee cetweived it would be
an &eject extremely desifiaLle to the colonels of re-
gimestea though it would not be attended with any
congiderahly advantages to the catlvenience of the
private aoleliery. The a hole statement of these
different emotions and examinations was transmit-
ted for his consideratirm to the Commander-in-
Chief, eh° hats conceived an extreme disincline-
tion to altering the adopted system, which bad
perhaps been strengthened by the opiuions of those
engaged in the clothing of the aloe, who to a
man were decidedly against it. Thus had every
thing hsecu done to obtain &tolerably acenrate idea
(I
from the of
the rea
Lnofe thefleece e roposed
no bin:mu:age:Lid ble.atil-
tachod to the Treasury Board, which had, %lab so
much eagerness, set about the investigation. But
independent of these considerations, foam the na-
ture of his situation, it could not be for a moment
supposed. much less proved, than any iiisetteetion
on this head could possibly attach ite-If to hint,
as the matter was total'', out of his province,
and altogether in that of the Commissary-Ge-
neral, with whom the clothing of the army pro-
perly rested, generally speaking, though to each
Colonel a certain allowance was made annually
for the elnthing of his own regiment
But the Treasury Board were tent only exculpated.
but were justified in not adontiiie this propoeeel
partial reform, siert it heal been for some time the in-
tentiort of the military department of Government.
to introduce a completely new system in the slink
clothing of the army. To insebtiget..! its propriety,
a Committee for some time hal hen opeolutel
and he hoped their report IkeUhl wen Ihe t.rescutei'
to 1:11• proper perems, in whose ja th,
in; sht h- considerea to he incliad,h Sunialv
he, on tine cs.e..asion, be appealed to tot his

he would not hesitate to give toltat **VIA he had
from the aio,t roaticientiwob tiieti‘cs given already.
He coashlercit it ittiprisbahte that clothiers, who

_ in general as munch alit e to interest as others,
would make such a bargain as that rutted by Lbn
I,*anourabl Jletuber ; and thotigb fur the public
satibfactieu it 'night hi. better the ntausgeutela
of this portion of tinny clothing were lodged iu
the public, as they might probably make with

the tontraitor, a tiarder tyrrguin, yet it
_would

by uo means sorsa, to increase the comforts or
conveniancie4 of the soldier) ; since, on all puLli
coarsen, it had hitherto liven fonts!, that scary-ly
any atteutiou had been paid to the quality of the
stork, provided iu put,tiance of the contract. To
the first resolution 11.! felt the greatest objection,
as it prootded on a 1a.1.1 statetumt. unsupported
by proof,essid as the House Lau no ground to proceed
therein, be should move upon it the previous

question. With respect to the idea of recommend-
ing open contracts, he thengbt it uninst to depn, e
Government of the means of conmilting the puld.;.:
interest from their own experience. The revt of
the resolutions were absolutely unnecessary, since at

the present moment those step., were already taken
which these resolutions were adapted-to lead the

Government to adopt.
Mr. 'll'uttnasan thought .that as so much had
been said by the Right Hon. Member respecting
the comforts of the soldiery in this respect, the
principle should have been reduced to proem e in
other instnisces. The large muftis of fur, and long
lappets of woollen, worn by the cavalry in all sorts
of weather,with other extraordivary appurtenance.,,
render the army generally ea object of ridicule.
It was also wonderful that whiskers should be
adopted in Englund. among the niilitart
'where they were unusual, said prohibited in
where they were itt common use, and thought nirCt.
mental. It would be seen froia his Hon. Friend's
statement, that the same coats had been provided
to the army at His. which had before been offered
to them at 14s. 9d. There hod been no rise on
keniei of late. He did not think it right to reject
the present improvement, because the Commute
had it in contemplation to make a more coma-
demble improvement in the whole clothing quell,.
The Commander-in-Chief should pedal's ha.e
a right of contronting these matters ; yet, from the
recommendation of marry experienced persona, there
should hardly he any doubt as to the adoption of
the inensure. The Right Hoa. Member had Olean
but little regard to the interests of the soldier; .
when he had carelessly said, if they were not sup-
plied accordiu.4 to his wishes, that the matter
should be referred to the Commissary General.—
Private contracts must oe infenor to public ; for,
if a man be dishonest, he could, in a private oat-
tract, do more injustice than in a public. If Lo-
mat, in a public contract, he would come forward
as eagerly es in a private ; besides, a public • On.
tract would bring forward more rumples than sny
other. From the or,,ent progress of the Commit-
tee, had the Chairman bees iron, and allotteti the
years of Methasslem. he could not hove to lire to
see any progress made in the long-proposed and
shamefully-procrastinated reformation.
The SECaETA&Y at WAIL said be had no of jec-
tion to open-contracts himself.
General STIMAILT thought it no matter sehat
clothes regiments care, 60 as they were perfect in
thtireteiciplihe ; every thing that could waist in this
point should be introduced, thou.oh a little expen-
sive or inconvenient. Wainer saddles had of late
been introduced, as inore fitted for service on out-
posts. He consirdered it would be advantageous to
Colonels to be divested of the trouble of prosidiluz
Vsgotelts;bat feared they would not then be so odour,-
• clothed ; as those who were food of their
regiments scarcely made any thing by their cloth.

iv.
Mr. WHITIBULAD congratulated the church on
the vigilance of the two, Auhbishope, who he con-
jectured were a few days ago visiting its outposts.
as he had discovered them mounted en hussar sad-
dies. /A larrgh, and cry of order !)
Mr. Mammon thought every thing the Hen.
Member could wish was now in train. end
likely to be accomplished. He defended the Trea-
sury bout any imputation of blame. but reprol.atrd
the idea of open-contracts. as teilehng to raise the
price of -commodities to Government.
Mr. FULLia thought the elucidation of sad,lt.:
went to the bottom of the matter. Bet the pre-
sent expensive dress of several regiments was pit—
judicial, and had compelled many poor men to quit
the reevice. Such extravagancies should be paid
for by their inventors. If contractors were act
paid eiloilish, goods would be bad, cud. like a re-
giment he wee saw, the soldiers would return from
the field after a shower with great coats sticking to
their skins, and unfit to make a shirt of. Indeed,
the w hole resembled a question lately agitated it
the Lords, respecting the deficiency of an loci
iii the length of their shirts, when it was found •
that instead of wanting an inch, they scarcely bask
enough to cover their (o load loses
present inquiry might be serviceable, but he
should not vote for the resolutions.
Mr. WAIDELL, after replying to several aNa••
ments made use of by his opponents, tousentol to
withdraw his resolutions.
MR. PALMER'S CLAIM.

The CIIANCELLOR of the Excusoosh, on the
resolution of the Commons, the 14th June, IVS.
being read on this subject, rose to state the reas,,,,:r
he had tors:Tom for ioduciog the House to tiise
the prevent resolution out of the general Appro.
priation Act; of which he had given such cotorl,te
notice to the House on Monday. From a number
of precedents, he should prime that the elouse had
on forager orcasioas proceeded io the way he mat
now millions it should proceed. The present ca.e
was so circumstanced as tame than any other
call for a strict adherence to the usual prart,e
of the Home in similar ceses. He should adds, r
,everal instances of grants given to iffilivirtu
a ith ropilltioros thereto anneaeil, sotne of alit, a
had hewn tag. ked to the Arpropriaton Act.
others nitr.sluced on separate Nil'. Ilk 17:: •
Sled rcceired a sum of 5.0001. wth a r
unties ,d, thot she should make a full :lg.( ;.
V.Ct yof tier cure for the .tone. TH. was r.it e
setioraite Act. in 1731. To Sir T. illoenie.
fourth of 14.000. for discoverissz the sit of
Or oubisk,il slk. and epoi•ing to. rr.odel. unit.
rion ; this wits granted on a .rparate Bill, thougi
trfterw .ids Lit.l.Cl to tLe Apr i •

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' 5,0001. to Mr. Harrison, inventor of the time-piece,
by a separate Act. 3;604A. to Mr. Philippa, for lits
powder for destroying insects, which was on a repo-
rite Bill, and lost in the Lords; three rears after
which, he received, by a separate Act from the
Commons, 10001. which wuagam lost in thet.orde.
Thus, in five iustances, three had been ;ranted one
way, and two another, though all had been given
on separate tails, in priacipio. Of the numerous
grants even for public buitdioge anti public services,
the same world appear to be the leading principle.
For buildiog Westinineter-bridge. in 1742, 30,0001.
in a separate vote, and not in the general Appro-
priation Act ; in the seine way, two grants, °lie in
1743. of 50001. of an additional 50001. and Until.
all at various times, and not in the Appropriation
Act. To the Commissioners also to widen Cock-
spur-street, nod the approach to Westminster-
bridge, 25001. in all of which, for some not very dis-
tinct or perhaps direct reason, the House had used
its discretion solely as to the mode to be adopted.
A.zata in 17116, 10,0001. in wideu the streets near
estaninster-brid4e. In 1758, 10,0001. to fortify
7'4..6m1-haven, which were tacked tothe Appropria-
tion Act. In 173 d, 10,0001. fur the same purpose,
sod not in die Aopropriatiou Act, though the touter
laid been. Thus, even in is for pit dm pur-
poses, it would appear the /louse had berm solely
guided by itediocretion. lu ordnance greats, in
1'39, similar discretionary :rad been earned.
3.1 L7ti.l. 50001. for aiiviie; .aster, not in Ap-
paeseetinn net ; likewise in 1767, smother supply.
1- ram, therefore. prlaate and public grant+, it
wraith' inewer the House had a perfect option to do
what it pleased. In the Manama of Capt. Roche,
a century an, the improvement of the harbour of
lt. e, Doctor Smyth's reinaneration, in 1771. he
raved that eveii where no vondition was enjoined,
Parbsineat exerted itailiseretionary power in what-
ev fray it thought proper. There were then, it
would appear, but two ways of granting left to the
Coertnaos. either by a:parish- Bill, or by the means
of tacking a grant to the general Appropriation
Act fur the year. He then proceeded to anew in
a hat instances they had chosen one or other, and
concluded thy could not fairly introduce the pee-
s--at into the Appropriation Act. The present grant
wen! i 3 stippootion of a just end legal agree-
meta between Mr. Pitt slid Mr; Palmer. of
anica there existed tomai•lerable doubt, as had
mannered lately from the decision of the Lords,
who had been called on by that House to de-
Bide also on his right to a grant of public money,
:rid to annai this (Luse h Id given advice as to his
merits. They ha-1 a riglit as well tea deperetionary
0..t906 on tie roissittive as retrospective gra..t,
oat to sutler it. if they felt it objectionable, to pas-.
would be an inermsistenscs sad dereliction of their
duty. if refused noir by the House, the eouse-
(pirate would be, that no Appropriation Act <mold
he passed this session, en evil of serious teedeiley.
No eatrobated the idea of tacking an amendment to
a Bill, which was different front the body of the
Sill, merely to obviate objections, which it was ex-
p scted would exist. perhaps.. too fairly against the
niesaure; to prove which doetioe he adduced some
passages from Mr. 11444111's Work, p. 19,1, in which
its co.iileinued this mode of compelling the lords
to accede to the wishes of the Commons, us umeote-
atitutiouel. and toodine to irritate the two orders
against each other: for as it was the inbuitied
privilege of the Coatroom that the House of
Lolds ehonlil mate no a.amsdateat to ti biU of
supply, it was not to be' endured by the Upper
House, that the CO713114011! sbonld take this mode of
compelling them to ailtiot their sentiments and
gratify their wishes. Xl'hy then clog the supplies
with an utineeeseary and exceptionable clause, en
which, on mother occasion. Parlianieat bad give:s a
different opinion ? Ile elialleessid his antagonists
to ',endue& en itistaire of era similar mode of con-
duct in Path: intent, er ton grants. one re-
trireme-five the other prospective, the one bad been
intro laced in a separate act, the other on the Ap-
pmaaation Act. It appeared to hen a glaring in-
twasisterey. The mode he now ohouid recommend
was that ie whic/i such grants had usually been
given. and were conforia..lne to the principles and
practices of both Houses. - Ile concluded with
moving, •• That leave hue given to bring in a Bill,
pursoant to the resonitam of the 14th June. rela-
tive to Mr. Palmer's ciaim for compensation."
Msjor l'atnr.a, in a very impressive manner, re-
lated to the Haase the nature of the emnimunica-
thins he hail had with the Chancellor of the Exch.-
Tier, relative to bringing his father's case before
the cousidesatian- of Parliament. At those inter-
views be euileaeoured to impress on that Gentle-
nean's uncut the certainty he had of sticcrea, from
the justice of his father's cause. That justice the
H, ~e felt on the former discussioasou the subject ;
still it was kis misfortune to find that every discos-
• tboagh terminating in his favour, only served
to remove him further from the accomplishment of
• his object. It ceased now to be the cause of Mr.
Palmer, and the House were called upon to consi-
der it as its own. Fie preferred to hare the Bill
drop entirely, rather than be iiiihittcteil to the ex-
• pense and anxiety of watching it in its progrese,
under the probability of its being rejected in the
other House of Parliament. Had he the opportn-
nity of getting a fair discuesion•iii that branch of
the Legislature, he bad no doubt of his being able
to convince inert candid person of the justice of
his father's claim.
Mr. Kleiman, in an argumentative speech,
exposed the impropriety of acet di.tg to the motion
of the Right Hon. Gentleman ,the Chancellor of
the Exchequer). It went .to change the whole
current of Parliamentary usage.. and to adept a
course of proceeding that immediately op.-fated to
defeat the very oloect on which the House had.
after such repeated discitisions, eltinietely de-
cided. And -for what reason ? lied any thing
in Ole oecurred to change the merits of the
al nee.io.i. or to induce the House to destroy its own
I ireyiritia act, by sicresingt to the attar-.lionght of
•
the Cliince!vir of the Excheener There was tn.-
thina g-f tae kind, tier had any °Mt: change of ch.-
ciremi. stale es t :lieu place ; hit thin, from the
• sliced aeriod of the Session, a great portion of the
,ileniners tai., had rated for Mr. Psi ner's claim,
ani wino he!, they thought, set the sultC.‘et at rest.
had depar.ed from town to their restiective country
s- its. H 2. advert,' Ito the competes. ion swat'
Pachauic it to the Deice ef
.!r he still preserved his earriet
that it VIM a nviet aLoornible y e

carried into elevation in &Swim of a settled bar.
Rain, and of an Act of Pa, foment pawed 40 years
ago. There was this great difirereece is the
present ease. that Mr. Palmer rested his claim
upon its merits, whilst the Duke of Athol, it
powerful Nobleman, was supported by all the
iu-
dueller of the.existing Government, and had as-
sociatcs in the Ministers themselves. It reminded
him or a story he once heard of a person, who lied
undertakeii, with some associates, to eat a very
greet quantity of peaches. %v hen he commenced,
it was found that the associate, with whom he was
joined, was a lean sow. Laughter). He inipternied
upon the House the duty of Supporting its own
consistency, together with its privileges. It had,
after mature deliberation, given its opinion on this
subject, and any appeal now was not hem Philip
drank to Philip sober, but from the decision of a
yen- full House to one comparatively thin.
AIL HAWKINS Saowsa cousidered the question
as one on which• great difference of opinion pre-
vailed, and therefore there might exist in the other
(,ranch of the Legislature a very reasonable ground
for disagreeing with the House of Ominous. It
was trite that it was the privilege of that House to
refuse supplies, but, like other privileges, it might
be carried to an extreme. This was 41 qoestion of
evidence, and perely.that Assembly was the moat
competent to try it, which bad the power of Anhui-
nistering oaths.
...Sir Turmas TVIIITON WM convinced that Minis-
tem 'la.( set in motion every engine of power, to do.
feat tier just and hentst.elaims of Mr. Palmer.
The tiuuse was not <hen aided upon to discuss the
merits of the question, but it was called on to con-
sider the COilC• uct of the Ministers in setting them-
selves agai...t the declared seem of the House.—
(Hear liter!) It was unconstitutional to observe
the Minister, defeated alter various discessious, shi ft
the course of proceeding, in order to contravene its
its expressed resokttiou. lle was aware that he was
then dating opinions not agreeable to the side of the
Home, front which-be spoke ' • hut it was a melan-
choly reflection, that, with the majorities which
Minister* eon command, the fair and just claims of
'a worthy mien were scouted by the weight of Govern-
ment influence. The truth wail, that the present ino-
tioti was made for no other pu rpese thau to strangle the
measure. (Hear ! deer ! He had not much Perlis-
'wintery experience, but he had seen, since his abort
perio i, enough to excite his disgust. This was a
moment for the House to stand high in public
opinion andwhat would the country think of such
evasions, in order to defeat the claim of a perse-
cuted insts. borne down by the whole weight of
influence and patronage ? a man, the justice of
whose demand was admitted 'by that House, and
was voted iu a solemn resolution, acknowledging
that the mosey was owed to him : refuse this just
demand to an honourable man, who does not ap-
peal for pensions, or come down to plead the un-
requited Denims of a father, or a relative, in order
to obtain this reversion or that sinecure, and this
Mfause will illustrate the prevalent observation, that
it would be more safe for a poor man to take the
Dote or bond of the veriest swindler in the country,
which might hereafter become available, rather
than to depend oe the declared and solemn word
of a .kliaieter. (Heir! hear!) The House was
Wood by its own act to
.pay Mr. Palmer his de-
mud, limier
ud, and. all the careusestaneme he thought
its dot; to lasylastirr. „„

said, that this was only th.t elairs of au lo.lirdual
and ass not couneeted with the great interests
of ehe state. He would contend, that it wus the
claim of a meritorious individual, con.tected with
the best interests of tbe country, and which interests
were considerably improved la cousequence of the
ingenuity of Mr. Palmer. He did not come to that
•House with any statement founded on imaginary
merits or Oil alleged and doubtful claims. He had
produced considerable improvement... And had a
right to look for the payineut of his contract out
of the fund which, by such systoin, was so consi-
derably increased. He did not accuse the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer of duplicity, but lie would
insist, that he had exhibited a designing cou•
eeitlinent on the subject. If the grant was wrong
and the house were anxious to rectify its er,
roe, why not do it in an open unreserved man-
ner/ Why not resciod the resolution, rather
than ,endeavour to elude it by a mean, shabby.
and evasive device' Ha had heard much of a
false delicacy for the privileges of the Lords. Ile
had a desire to treat them with respect, but at
r the same time he we* determined to as-ert
those of the people's representatives boldly and
fearlessly. Even to waver on that point aas to en-
' danger the cause of public liberty, and to destroy
the essential rights of the British people. Bat what
most that people think of a Minister who should
thus violate the privileges of the Commons' House,
for the purpose of affording to the House of /Ards
an opprotuuity to throw out a money grant.
Mr. Gaoatts Host spoke in favour of the mo-
tion, and arraigned the conduct of Mr. Palmer
whilst holding a situatinu in the Post-office.
Mr. Ft e LEA asserted, that whilst lie had a voice,
the [louse should hold the dominion of the purse.
He reprobated the pitiful expedient of rendering
null and void the resolution of the House in favour
°fall honoorable God meritorious

Sir Fiancee, Brain?? took a perspicuous re-
view of the services of Mr. Palmer, detailed in
the evidence adduced itefore the Committee. Ile-
believed there never was a projector »Ito had so
fully. performed his promises to the state. It had
received the greatest benefit, and the person übo
contrived kwi's. on every principle of justice and
honesty, entitled to national eetnuneritaan. •He
strongly reprobated the strange doctrine of yield-
ing to the other branches of the Legislature on pe-
cumary measures, and assured the House, that for
its own consistency it ought to reject the motion of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Mr. BURTON supported the motion. because it
left the investigation of this claim to the unfettered
consideration of the House of Lords.

Mr. Wittraasan, in an animated speech, ani-
madverted on the 'expedient resorted to by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. When he moved the
third reading of the Who that House, he place.'
himself in a situation by woich he either cheated
the pnblic or Mr. Palmer. lle was happy to sec
the Honourable and Leaned Gentlenian, who Inad
been so long absent from the House, on account of
indisposition. in his place, as he was sure it would
give the name of Sir Vicery Gibbs as a sup-
porter of Mr. Palmer's claim, as he had the pre-
cedent of his predecessor, who supported it,
and who acted without the same favourable
occurrence of having the late Attorney-General to
set him the example. Wire the Administration
weak enough to suppose that the Appropriation
Act would be thrown out in the lards on account
of the grant to Mr. Palmer? or a ere they weak
enough to allow them to do it ? But even if they
did throw it out, it might be nein ered ; but the.
honour of the House could never be restored, if
Mr. Palmer's claim was not allowed. Many Gen-
tlemen, who had voted in favour of the claim, bad
pee out of town, under the idea of the certainty
that it had passed the House. The present propo-
sition, not to give it a worse name, was an entrap-
meat.

Mr. CAHNIXO did not consider the merits of the
claim of Mr. Palmer bad say thing to do with the
present question, which wits, how the House of
Commons could carry their vote of appropriation
into execution, with the anise of Mr. Palmer at-
tached to it r The Lords would never pass it. They
had on!' nllowe 1 the Lords the privilege of dis-
cussing one part of the claim, ani that they had
disapproved of and thrown oat; would it nit be
unfair is force the other part on them, without
giving them the same privilege of discussion ?—it
would he insulting their understnndings.
The CMANCELLOI of the EXCHEQUER replied,
and observed that he would not disguise, for he be-
lieved the House of Lords would reject the claim
lit any way it was sent to them ; but the present
measure was to send it to them in that way, that if
they re'ected it. they should not Le obliged to re-
ject
the whole supplies of the year.
Sir THOMAS THREW( spoke in explanation.
Mr. PERCAVAL explained, and the question was
loudly called for, when the House divided,

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Midneity for bringing la the Bill
Strangers were not main aelniitted to the Ga:-
lery, and the llou'e adjouraed at HALE-ran fOVIL
o'cLoca this tuorsaiug.

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