The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser.
London, England, 1809-05-10 00:00:00

HIS MAI ESTY'S MESSAGE.

Upon the Order of. the Day being read for tak-
ing Its Mirjesty's Message into consideratioe;
The Earl of LIVIIMPOOL roe fur the purpose of.
moving an humble Address. expressing the thanks
of that Mouse to Ilia Majesty for the communica-
tion of his moat gracious Message. There was no
necessity for his taking up much of their Lord hips
time in shriving the propriety of graining a loan of
tioo,oool. to his Hoye! Highness the Prince Regent
of Portugul. Ile would call to their Lordship.'
recollection. that when the unfortunate change of
attain tibhged the Prince Regent to quit his here-
ditary dominions. and seek an asylum on the con-
tinent of America, His Dilajoity's Coverument
thonglit it wise and prudent to give every encou-
ragement to so magnanimous an undertaking.—
His Royal Highness Mad to convey the whole of lii.
family, and a great part of those who formed the
Court of Lislion, and for this purpose it was
thought expedient to grant from this couptry the
aura of 80.0.)01. It had been certainly granted
without a direct application to Parliament. be-
cause there was DU ?-41:1111I011 at the time. and had
been afterwards considered among the • Army Ex-
tritordistairies. The result of the Portuguese Court
emigrating to a distant country. naturally induced
many others to follow them to their new residence ;
and for still further aiding this loyal spirit of the
Portuguese, another sum wus Mt that time ad-
vanced of about nu.oonl. making in the whole
160,0001. It was for the purpose of enabling his
Kay.' nighties. to repay those sums which had
bees. expended in his behalf, and of enabling him
to meet those dillicelties which attends.l loin in
the Brasil.. th:it Ills Majesty bail been toduceit to
agree. that the lout. should be granted. The.
Prince Regent on all necusious had must signally
niimifeetell himself the faithful silly of Griot (Mi-
toses. lit wnaid not detain the time of the House
by nay fnither uleirrlotims, but should wore,

tnate gootl to the cause of time we assisted ; at d
he was apprehensive, in *ending out Generals at d
armies to that part of Europe, they would be in
dam,ier of sharing the fate of those who preceded
them. The rause of Spain and of Portugal was
that of an injured people, but it was that of a people
comparatively weak lighting against a power of the
greatest strength; and, however we might lament
the coi.test on theii side must eventually In• un-
successful, we ought not, iu thew times, to send out
oar men and money in the cause of other nations.
where all our efforts must be its viii. tVe 041 t
rather to guard ourselves against the overhearn.g
power of the Continent. No doubt could esit.t of
a disposition on toe part of the Ruler of France 10
destroy this country, and after lie had accoinii!e.l d
his designs on the Continent, and could then lieu
means, with thousands of his army, to invade our
shores, and should be successful, he would not deal
with tin. country as he had done with others—he
would lay waste every thing before him, and
scarcely knee ere stout upon aiintiitr; because .lie
would be well aware h•• could not long keep thiscountry under his subjection. Ihe Noble•Dule
concluded by ob.erviag, that, as an iudpidnal, he
hail taken this opportunity of expressing his senti-
ments upon the subject of oar giving assistance to
the cause of Spain and Portugal.
The Earl of BUCK INGNA3tsaltx hail no inten-
tion of opposing the proposed Address, hut he
•thought that ou late occasions, when questions of
such considerable importence had been brought un-
der the consideration of the Douse, there was not
sufkient elucidation given, as to the propriety of
the measure. He dill not concur with those senti-
ments expreeseil by the Noble Duke, and which
breathed MO much despondency as to the cr.iee
Spain and Portugal; he trusted he could perceive
grounds for entertaining better hopes. The Noble
Secretary had mentioned the former grant of
80,0001. and he should wish to inquire if that *mu
had lice° milted by Lord Stringfont? he also
*lobed to be Mformeil as to the ',atone of that
convention mentioned in His Majesty's Message.
The Earl of Lies:senor. said, that at the time
of the Portuguese emigration an advance of rummy
had been movie by L ord Strougford, and the'
convention alluded to was floe which had been
agreed upon in this country, between Ilia Majest)'s
Secretary and the Ambassador of His Roy ul
Highness.
The Address was then agreed to unanimously.

MILITIA COMPLETION BILL.
Upon the Order of the Day being mad, fur the
second reading ni this Bill;
The Earl of LIVF.ItPuot ntrrerved, there would
not he great tieVolaioll for hi, entrriri4 Tutu a ilutaa
of the priuciple and prat limn* of the Bill upon the
table. The principle a!, the wine r<uh that of
other ACil of Vor'irsinent which hard towed Co' imp
remittal the militia. On in:einieit or the late rolun.
nt the militia lino a muse regular And
thaloweable force. the I...kiwis!, hart Levu coma-
dcrAly diaiinialredta their numbers, and it hetittria
net:rowel that t!lo4e be

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supplied. In the regtilar eours9, this deficiency
would have been *applied by baliot in the di!:: rent
cuiiiition but as that %node in the present times
might be considered lather 1n.7.1 upon that chic!, in
• whetu the ballot woCijJ iiiisudiately fall, it bad
• Utah tliouOtt adviscalde by the present bill, to en-
able each regiment of militia to supply their deliei-
ienties by enlistment fiw n limited time; and after
• • that per if it sh.mld turn out that this suede
' "had iiOt been seccesedul, it would then he necessary
• to recut to the old am) regular method of ballot.
This provision would atteaded with
thie advantage to the who would have been li.
able trader the forme. i,ilitin Acts, and would i.•tist
ithe hurthen and expense (mare equally upon the
The Noble Earl, niter shorty explaining
the nature of the bid, expreuaal himself as having
no apprehension of its inectiug with ally ollijetkion
I.:wit their Lordships.
E irdErcrwit.t.List said, he so far approved of

301, as eui.t;..jiting n provision, that in cour-
t S
the deiicieacies of ear Establish-
. •,,,, the hirtheit anal expeuse were to b? removed
i a the couitti,,,Hn.l Isul 'you the public.--
bat he expresse.l cmlri leriblr. reset, that the
paaciple of the Militia hid i:1 modem tithe, been
a. much departed lii is, and trot the regi-
uttettt4 should hare, h,ett made it recruiting. or
ierluips, if he mighttt•e the expi.e,s':o•is n crim iilw
fund for the supply of tits regular army. H- dirt
hot particularly !Ili tro the 1;111
before Viral, but it a>a» with t lie a.AW tilt
11Iilitia ware nail noir.. altere..l Com tang

tildes upon which tat !Uwe wa.
Lord H A11101..117 deleaded the inea,ures which
bad been resorted to in regard to the ..kl2l.ti:i Egg.
blisbitient of the country. lie wa • i•tmineed to ex-
press his ePett.ttents upon the preset;[ area. on,
becaute he enuterired hint-eat in ju.tice hunt I to
do so in oppositiott to the arguments Itr,zed from
such a respectable authority ut. that of ate
litre (Fitswilliam). lie .eoM.itiered the ex
MC: by that Noble Earl us ten revere tt-el degr.el.
Lig; for whatever nii,iht be justly fclt thow win
took am pride in the di.eipimta of their mixtm rcgi-
Meats, they coned but have our ultimate tle•l;-0,
that of forming them to be the eistr.t useful for tncir
onntry. tf, therefore, they re:Jered then, tit lar
tainted:ate service, and for ente:.iiez a 'nor, rewil ir
load 4fispoaabla inice, their e:,erti•tr. retAlit to be
more satisfactory to diem, Ike!, mese to. m,
volunteered into the reolmtr army. For his ow•tm
part. he had several years been u Captain in the
; and although tint so or perhaps su
interested Mu the %.:rvire, .ms the Noble Earl opoo-
Site, he always felt a considtnAhle partiality ft.: that
kind of force; yet he it bay, the intsmturcs
which had been resorted .0 for the supply ~r time
regular army, Aid not incur his disapprobation
without altering his former 01:iniens oil the slll6l et.
Nis LcYtdn;tip t*eis took a view of the principle of
the old Militia Arta, nod *hewed there was no al-
terstion udoptml in the present ini,alcc, which did
but accord with the pi i lei ph. of jelq ulttretlto,ib.
The Nlargiiis of Dotuti.m. •c.e•currecl imi
hull been stated by .tlic oh! • E.srl (Citzwillittutt),
our did lie think thv e;:oession al!irktl to at all
TOO severe. It correctly ileveruhrii the moan re-
sorted to of recruiting the regular trolly out of the

militia e,ralolishisient of the (Anode!. 1% loiterer
consideration might be paid to the other species
olif force, ton touch stipporteil by the tau-ider of the
militia, he eiitilil Wash the House to reeoller•, that
Verbal:, the Bide was 111.! fur di.lau. when we
stimuld stria ono.t in nez..l of thiliater:: :I In, re ark-
youtte to rese.t the aaaek of at) earo,y.
Thedisposenble (owe of the • int ry, r, MLR h Ht-
tended to, might lie employ^.l when
the oronotry ~..111,1 at length, sail ti:at probably
Very %Oath f•ol the great. want of au elfective
noel interwil futro fit t its own pre,ervieton.--
Lalcin4 it the late .c:.;,,vc,0r00, of our none
*brutal. he wool,' have as Ti as soy ipso
to have praised the va`lstr :in 1 eriiireqe .I:spis.‘o .1;
but when ht.! reerolieetcol Convention, loci kit too
mud§ as u Br.ton not to lament the pllf for
Which that witty lela•n etnplo7ol.
The Earl of Clicsrstitar sip coctcrelci there
was rlf,ite.: t.. [wort:noes of ono-
dent times rrau, ,7totog the Alititix. If the eld
elple had leen atteo:led to, at,.! the Int .1 hr.! only
•rvel for titre c, four, or seer.: years. and at that
perio.l they bail ret-irte,d front the service, the
Noble Lords would Intre foilnil therAsclres without
those *mum who hail I.een no carcfully taught their
It• trusted, out of that House they were
more disposed to tit's assi•tnnee to the Bill liras;
carried ion, execn.Oos, mid that their regiments
would he the IL-n.4 fora-mid,: hut if then. lat:tltiltiV,e
11l that Hole., n o, •: to be tufo:tied to, nu such eon.
:teoittrocee coull be extiecteol. Tien envoi nhteli
had ilisplayeel its superiority on the
Which. atterwaAe, amidst the greatest olitheoi!,.,,
Awlearked with inonour Alory. WAS .6.n ti
of men chiefly taken front rii,o.nents er.f tai rid,
Awl be was indosee:lto appwtie of such a grsteal us
4trengthened the most tuneful force of thr country.
The Earl of I laitorrica declined eutertn4 into
those in hi. pontoon, had beets int,-
tenthtly tonal:lard i.ito thej ill4A-111isipos on the nit.-
rits of the pre.eut fijit be won' roll the at-
tention oftne tiolde St...rotary to gt!
ie preamble of
the Bill, where it wto a.n.l the men ail told lie taiiied
he the heat of the ,Irtioto. fir conceived this a d0,..-;:ttion
,..-;:ttion from the pi ;.staple of the Militia, alai from
^:ie limit:title of ah: former Bills. Ile hopel lie
r-helltl lit rvenstil for troubling the Il..ese with
any olniervatioo, as he had .1 been precut at the
cianniesireinent or this oliseuesion.
The Karl of LteeitinieT. t1:1111, If the Noble Earl
bad been toresent, he would have hos expla-
nation of that part of the Ili* Lordship le :i•
alert' the purport of el it lie red heron: earn...-. rl
on the reason or oirioviditet Vogt t!..e meat tinzlit hr
raised by ant' of coliston-ot for it lionet,..l time. lio
reply to the a I go mew. of mutt er Nolde Lords,
arvied, that, without any.ioterference, otter a luau
kid leaned his duty as a soldier, lie would naturally
10 th-9rosed to contiiiiie his services by going into ti
PRlverior force.
Tl.e Mau I of Itti,:st.v /here :Pi:. one
nhjerth.ii t pre.csit hill, which hal rot bee,'
mentioned in tit' coarse to: the delotte. It pre.
tended to raise the wry for 'he esteuplelliat of the
Militia, by taking the btortheto oft front the counties,
ant) laying it upon the public .this ti false
pretence, for it would do no such thing. Tln bill
provided the :pacu might be raised by earigtnitut,

at a bounty of twelve guineas, any time before Jnne
1810 ; and if the quota should nut be raised before
that period, it is then provided the ancient method
•t• ballot should be resorted to ; that all defi-
ciencies 'hold besupplied before the Oct. folio%
Of course it nits well known there was 101. liae uu
the man ballutted, and 1o1.•more was permitted by
way of bounty; and if it should happen the substi-
tute was not procured before•Octoher, there was an
additional fine of on the comity, so that it must
be evident tlip bounty after June would be from
301. to 701, a man ; whereas befor.• June it could
be nu inure than twelve guineas. The consequence,
frost the nature of human reasoning, must tee,
eVery man would decline accepting the bounty for
enlistment, knowing it would be much better for
his interest to wait till this ptriod should elapse.
It wit+ on this ground he felt particularly hostile to
the bill, because it pretended to do that. which His
Majesty's :Ministers mast be convinced of diem-
*elves it could never effect.

The Eurl of SELKIRK observed, that thcsinost
faiouralale point of view iu which be• saw the pre-
•!•ut inea..iire, was from what had fallen from the
:Noble Earl who lied just out ilown, that it was not
likely to effect what it pretended to do, the com-
pletion of the militia estublishosent. The present
establishment was, in his mind, su radically wrong,
that•he lout no desire to witness its completion.

'rile Bill WII4 then read a aesond time, and or-
dered to be comaiiticil to-morrow. Adjourned.

This day a great many Lords were present ; be-
sides those eminent Peers wha took a part iu the
discussion ulrt.uly reported, there were present.
Earl GREY, Marquis of BUCKINGHAM' Duke or
lioNcnost, Ste. &S.

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