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h !, ~,. '. :. i.,-...!lisp hello these things. and Lind. and ethers whom he employed, tin doubt-
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,• • against him supperted by compe. edly did. When the Witness was absent, with
e . eo r' prrmissinn, from tee offices he eenSded the ma..
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WSDX,MAT, APRIL 30. I ;segment of public money to Mr. 'Thomas Wil-
- - - ?wino reituml.a.ot toe iisnal Poole- son, and as he did not wish to propose to Visceunt
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!e, the Manager" informed the Gismo i I Stele:lle in authorise any other person to draw
would begin with proof of introdectory from the B ink, be found it
rasanecesry, in case of
. e--- .f the chatoe, upon which the; examinee illness, or occasional absence, leave in Mr.
• . . . so WWI: t, IN , Esq. Ckrk of the Journals Wilson's hands, drafts signet! by himself, with a
• ricruee of Commons : W. Mit ford, Esq. blank for the sum. 1 hose drafts were en the Bank
'leek in the Treasury : Fredrriek Boorh, Esq. only, and the power of dotwieg was nnlimited.
e'r • -,ter of Mr. Reno: Mr. Bernard Cobb,sa clerk Mr. Wilsen had power also to draw en Coutts,
e Auditor's Office: Harty liarsnowl. Esq. velso had unlimited atethoritf to answer leis di efts.
ei Ater to Mr. Barre : Mr. Osbalte Ste inert, on Witness's account. . Mr. Wilma, also, had
•' r • . .--t• Clerk to the Comptroller of the Treasurer's Witness verbal instructions Ornst *Red upon
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' r k cants: ifeelaSek Doreto, Esq. the son anil them) dining his absence, to emeloy the public
ecutor of the late Andrew Douglas, and Mrs. money to Witness's advantage, in the same way
'' • / Derekis, his widow : Jahn Win •e.., jun. he hi
elf employed He
it. enede profit of the
.eiS 1 Sotornoi Whitbread, Esq:: Mr. limn. Roe public money so employed, nor did he ever mean
. frees:HA, Clerk of the Debentures at the Exche- to conceal it. Mr. Jellicoe way one of the persons
ow; : and Mr. Thomv kimpens a Clerk, anO. he so employed. Witness also acted as private
T.:@ of the Cashiers of the Bank. agent to Viecotint Melville, and always endee-
. Tile witnewes bevies, withdrawn, after the usual vowed to be of service to his Lordship, in trans.
-• • noteelities. their Limb-hips adjourned to the acting.his private business, hut without any tor-
' A.:bomber of Parlanteet. real Appointment, nor could he recollect at what
onurespeo. lux I. tines that agency commenced. In the year
'rat Wee beino resumed, and the usual pireolae .178 e. he had the honour to be introduced to his
: - silt ilea made, • Lordship; his salary was then not above 1001.
Jeqw* Dr""• Eaq. we. e\nrnitWd I Mr. Gee. Me received the celery of Vi-count Melvil:e, as
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. • #t,..-c/ an seem:Wm to tne Treasurer Of the Navy, Treasurer of the Navy, by virtue of a general
roweled to the manner of traweeting, business in Power of Attorney, but did not -receive his salary
tee Navy Office : Mr. drat GAlnin •nron, a clerk as President of the Boar tof Controul, as Keeper
se the Bank of England, eking swain ant ex.. • of the Privy Seal of Scotland, nor a's Keeper of
C.M.i;:ed, deposed as to the Mode of transacting the S gnat. He did nor regularly receive the in-
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the Nervy business at the Bank.--Adjnuinesi till come of Viscount Melville s private estates in
rrlday. Scotland; remittances were made to hint from
TRIDAY, MAT Q. I thence, but he could riottell from what s.lurcei
The Houvebeitne reamed, Mr. Thom .a Olive.% they came, neither did he teceive the income of
ook of Mr Prinsenood ;Mr fl iaions .W.Go,rgei his Lordship's estates in ifinglonil ; but he re-
• tot Mt Grow Stet', Clerk to Messrs. Moffat s calved dividends from public stock belonging to
e t Mr. Gerry Payne, of the house of Payne and his Lordship. An . account of debtor and ere-
•- h. were examined as to their honks and ace ditor was kept between them. in a small account
I,t '• et with Viscount Melville; and Henry Cols book of the Witness'i. No interest was charged
i., •: - aid William Head were re-exemined.-oAd. on either side. lie had no account which he could
t • otiode then produce; the only one in elietence toes that
I SATURDAY, MAY 3. in the hands of the Managers. In 1786. the
1 • Throe new witnesses were examined this day. Witness advanced a specific rim to Viscount
. ve.e. John floosies. Thomas it*, a Clerk in the Melville, and placed it to the debit of his account.
* Isiroo of Payne tied Smith, and Charles Lernage. His Lordship granted the Witness a bond and
ireork in the Bank, and nine witnesses were re- security for 4,0001. which he advanced about
• evomised, vit. Mowers Etars Henry Co/fear, that time. He was enabled to advance it from
• . Gg,rgo Fotos4 Cowie &oilfield, John Gi,sinenons, the fund already explained, having had the eon-
. Weenies Mow. Graeae French, :Archibald Doyens, troul of the money in his handl, roe paying Ex-
mid 014erne SAVIZIS fa. Th it evidence, of course, chequer tees, and the money of two treasurer-
soiecipally related Id matter disclosed on the pre- ships, which would not probably he called for,
ceding daysoseAdjouniteel to Mee dep. but remain in the Paymaster's hands, for the
MONDAY, may S. trouble of making up the Exoreesureee accounts;
•I'he Court met at the usual hoar. Mr. Whit- he knew the money would not be called for till he
Ve:d underwent a long examination by Mr. should leave the Offic oor the accounts be au-
. ruiner. diced. He charged Viscount Melville no interest
,Vewantior ?poker, Esq. was the* sworn and upon this sum; lie did not feel himself entitled,
examined. He stated, that he first entered the; from the manner the money was placed in
Navy Pay Office in the latter tore of the year his hands. His Lordship never knew whether
I/76. aso junior clerk, at 501. per annum, and it bore interest or not. He believed he di I make
oothiesest a clerk in that office until 1784. His a purchase of 2,001. India stock, on account of
. 'Neel might have boon a:creased, but not mate- Viscount Melville. in 1792. He . drew upon
sieli y. He remained out of the Navy Pay Office Coutts to pay foe that stosk, which be believed
a tu a twelvemonth, and was then appointed was bought on account, and foe the benefit of
Yolmeecee• ender the Treasurer of the Navy. by Viscount Melville; the dividends of that stock
Vit.:meat Melville. He was ate loss to ascertain, were carried to the credit of his Lordship's ae-
pre Asides upon whose recommendation he was count current with the Witne,s. There was no
isppoleted s. bat h's relation. Mr Coutts, had sp., quantity of Loyalty Loan Stock sunset ibed for by
piled to Mr. Pitt. who, he believed, made its; the Witness in 1797, for the benetit, or on account
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/ t west with Visenutlt Melville to appoint him. of Viscount Melville, but he believed- payments
%% hen ',pawed, his salary Was 5001. a-year, were made by Nutt'', House, whisk he after-
-, mot searesodedeasons of taxes. As Paymaster, weeds re.paid, for Viscount Melville. t; he dividends
O the Bank looks were delivered to him, by Vis. en that stock were also carried to his Lorciallip's
e seem Melville, and he was told that the public account current. •1' he stock so purchased, he
1 fwlerice was at that time in the Bent. except the understood amounted to 10,0001. for which sum
6 4', suns in tho hands of the Sub-accountants, and he debited his Lotdahip'e account current. But
' 1 - a tam which his Lordship mentioned. On a could not state, without documents, from what
4 forever amnion he stated, to the best of his re- sources, distinctly or separately, as they were
coil: dion, this sum to be 10,0001., but he was epee different payments. •
A . :mace isolated to belie,- it was i 0,6001. ; 1,6001. . n
ieastdon.-I,Vere those payments, in faft. paid
a oaleoce due from his first treasurership, and from the public money
soi-001. a balance due on the first part of the se- The Counsel for Viscount Melville obf-ded in
coact treasurership. He did not examine the oaf,. this question ; the Witness withdrew, and the
, • l.c cash at the time he beceree Paymaster, for- managers waved it.
f taer than by observing, by the books. that the Mr. Trotter's examination being resumed, he
6 Oa inee was in the Bank. Viscount Melville further deposed, that some of the payments,
amid, lie should account for that 10,0001. but did which constituted the 10,0001. tepid to Messrs.
. 1 net tell him in whose !sands it was. the Witness Courts, for tie purchase of the Loyalty Loan,
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i resolved he Exchequer fees ; the distindion were derived from drafts from the Bank, and put
kotween Exeheqner fee money, and the public Mtn Coitus's hands, others be drew from his own
• . telvn”, deposited in the Bank, was, that the former private account at Coutts's, and paid then[ to
1.• is impiested into the hands of the Treasurer of
vtlt.etiirNotentya,mwho aelnlot wo; tthte
tPoaymastteerestoathtaivee
Etlxii:
ch:euer, management
eontinoeneli):sy. It is iMprest-
ed in the hands of the Freasurer in a different ,arerhcieotisin,tvtcci).nrnif.cisst; Viscount
ai.,te leodMelyi Melville. The private
doourfit frons.wbdicith thhe
of public
gave some of these
ttk andt privateh anon ey.f
7,0001. in the 'three per Cent. se do aLceedilAnrunurttitieos,
seesaws from other public money ; the Tree- to be purchased on account of Viscount Melville,
surer, or rather the Paymaster, having the sole and the dividends were carried to the credit of his
ins, *gement of that business, applies to the'Crea- Lordship's account. Upon -all these same so
r;- r ter 3.0001, when he finds his funds exhaust- advanced, he never charged interest, nor did he
ei to nearly that sum. This application does nut charge himself interest when the h ilAnce was
c0,,-.rite with the Tieasueer, but may with the against him. He frequently directed payments
Peer:Lister, who pats it in execution, and signs all to be made to private individeAls upon his
if Lord-
:: ii-enments fee the treasurer. He did not revel- ship's account. I k made one of those payments
. 1: . erite instance of the Treesurer doing any of to account of SO. William Forbes and Co. Edin-
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she public chilies of the offices nor of his having burgh; he had no doubt of the fad, but did not
/ drawn drafts while the witness acted as his Pay- recoiled it.
•.- rimester. At the time of Witheses appointment. The Counsel for Visconot Melville nOjedeel to
reclusive of the Exehegner fee money, a part of this evidence; and the Witness having withdrawn,
- oe ore ;Allelic money was in the Hank of England, were heard at sortie length in support of this oh-
, oust pen in tke Pitoaccountant's hands. Qiestioe. jerftion. The Witness was again called. and a
et Did the - money continue in the Bank of letter, in his own 11:ind-writiue, dated July 17,
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.laielAndi. I mean to put this question of Zech,- 1787, being presented to him, in order to refresh
'. . vier tee money. Did all the public money con- his memory, he stated that he did give uiredions
finite to the Bank of England all the time you to .make an advance of '2,0001. to that house,
. %vete Paymaster, except that in the bands of Sob- which surn was carried to the debit of Viscount
occirmtents? 4.i. Of the money I had under my Melville, but to which accoonr, as there were
. osattagement there were many exceptions; 1 mean more than one, he could not say. Thee same let-
' so coi.sequence of an application I made to Vis- ter specified 3,3741. to have been paid by the
town Melville, for liberty to draw a part of those Witness's direction to Mansfield, Ramsay, arid
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: hands of a private Banker (Coitus and Co.), for rity, that the IVitness could recoiled, was given
• to: convenience of official transadions. To the from Viscount Adelaide to him, for either of those
s i bey of my knowledge, all may drafts from the sums; he had no recolludion of the transadion,
• Book wire in the (um prescribed by the AR." , nor of any collateral circumstance attending it.
Ths Witness then deposed, that he had drawn on These sums were certainly carried to the debit
the Bank of England, specifying the Pay Branch, of his Lordship's account. No interest was
~ , aid deposited the money in the house of Omits. charged on these sums ; the balance of the ac-
.:, II: did the same wi.h the Navy and Vidoolling count was generally in favour of the \Vitness,
. hraothes. He bad money so drawn in the hands but he was unable to stale what the average
•4 other persons beside Ailerrs.Coutts. Mr.Sprott amount might be. The account cos/rent was
.rat one, and Mr. Montague Lind another ; the brought to a settlement on May SI, 1800, when
later, as a friend, used to assist him in negoci- his Lordship left the Navy Pay Office, the balance
too/ busineu, but he did not recoiled lending was then in favour of the Witness. He did not
I.:rn any money. He also had money in a house recoiled another advance in July, 1789, of 1.0001.
, 00 credit in Edinburgh, in government security, made to Sir William Forbes and Co. nor cools!
.soil as Navy Bills, Vidaalling, Transport, and' he, from a memorandum of his own, dated Jan.
' I.wiluer Bilis. He did not tocolied hsving ilf 5, 171.9, put into his hand, recoiled the tad ;
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month after Mr. Tien* was eppointed to the,
Treasurership. Ile as afterwards appointed
Paymaster to Mr. Calming, and the same pradice
that sets ordered by Mr. Bethinst, continue& and
I,c left it altogether, in April, 180.5. The Witness
did not rerolleFt to have drawn a million of mo-
ney one day, which did not pass ihrough the hands
of Coutts ; but once in his life, he did draw one
million, which went into the hands at Coutts.—
The draft was given on the B ink, and the Oozes,
consisting of a great number of small ones, lodged
at Coutts s. He often drew for a smaller sous
than 1,0001. on the Bank and Coutts for the pub-
lic service. The Witness never received any gra-
tuity whatever, far actin' as Viscount Melville's
• agent. The book in which their accounts were
kept, has been destroyed, as well as all the oilier
hooks and vouchers between him and Viscount
Melville. He was robbed of one of these books
at one time, which he recovered again ; it con-
mined the account current, and chest ACCOUIIt.
A paper being presented to him, the Witness said,
that it purported to be an account current be-
tween him and Viscount Melville, commencing:
in 1732, it WAS balanced and signed by both
I. patties. The vouchers then ;Hemmed to hint, he.
said, were of subsequent date, and bore no refer-
ence to that account ; they were vouchers -Mr
three paymesits he had made for Viscouet; Mel-
ville. The accounts deliveted were lied same as
the one before him. His direCtions for the pur-
chase of 2,0001. India stock, he thought, went
through the house of Coutts, as also that for the
7,0314. 3 per Cents. Reduced. He did not recol-
left giving any directions for the purchase of the
10,0001. Loyalty Loan. Mr. Philip Ant:otos,
he believed, then ailed as broker fur that huuse:
Cross-examined—Very early after Viscount Mel-
ville's first appointment as Ireasurer of the Navy,
the Vs'itaess presented him with a plan for regu-
lating the business of the office, which was much
approved of ; that was in 1782. He was known
to his Lordship from that time, till his appoint-
ment of Paymaster, but had no particular inter-
course with him. With respect to his Lordship's
acknowledgment of a balance of 10,0001. in his
hands, hetrecolleded his expressing a fear that
there might be a loss, but was not able to say
that his Lordship actually sited it to be for pub-
lic purposes. He did not recoiled his Lordship
having acknowledged applying it to any private
benefit for himself. Dnring the whole period of
time he was acquainted with the office, •the exe-
cution of it, in detail. was always left to the Pay-
master, as well as the drawing for the public•
money. When Viscount Melville gave permission
to draw money from the Bank of Englaad,. to
Coitus, the only reason represented to hist,
was, to facilitate the official convcr.ier.ce. He re-.
presented the inconveriencs arising from the
distance of the Bent, and the danger of send.
ing in drafts to the Bank, every day, dye
mesongers, who were obliged to bring ft..
toe produce in cash, to supply the daily pay-e•
menu. The office had not then been remov-
ed from Broad-street to Somerset Meuse ; no
mention was made at the time this permission
was so granted by his Lordship, of aay private
entolument to be derived to any body trona it,
that never was in his Lordship's contemplation ;
net did the Witness remember that it ik,as in,bss
own at the time. These was not then, or at any
subeepent time, permission given to draw money
horn the Bank, but for the porposes.,o!.olfiziel
convenience. ‘Vhen he attended Visceent Mel-
•illte on the suhjed of private, or any other busie
mos, he was Veil, much concerned Lea: he nevi r
could draw his Lordship's attention patocuieriy
to the sivij..a a his private accounts. tie al-
ways debited the accounts to his Lordship, fur
his examination ; he might have looked at re.eiu,
but the Witness was conscious he never ettenoed
to them particularly. On the other baud, his
Lordship never interrupted him in any represents-•
Eton relating to the public accounts; on these occa
sions he was stile to have his attention, but never
could get him, in the same manner, to the subjed
of his private accounts. He did not recotoCt
ever giving his Lordship any receipt fur money in
his lire; he never failed to present the documents
and vouchers to his Lordship; but did not re-
coiled •any instance in which lie required them.
Under the specific name of public money, or any
money bearing that description, his Lordship,
upon no .occasion whatever, ever direded him to
lay out ally part of it, for his use or benefit.—
Whatever Viscount Melville's conceptions might
have been, he never expressed himself to the
contrary, of Isis tinders:anteing ; that in every in-
stance when stock was purchased, it was out of
his own funds, or from private funds. To the
hest of the Witness's recolicOion, prior to the
purchase of any stock, it never was oteutioned to
Viscount Melville that it was intended to be pur-
chased out of the puielic money, except in the in-
stance of the East India Stock, and then it was
indignantly rejected. It never was coromuni-
. stated to Viscount Melville out of whet funds the
advances were made for the payments of that
stock; they were made in consequence of de-
mands made upon his Lordship; and satisfied
by the Witness, without any inatrudions from
bins. .These securities, whorls, wen slosinentrie,
disposed of, covered an ample fund for the re-;
payment of all the advances made. The pur-
chase of 70e01. '3 per cents, WAS made without
any diredions from his Lordship. The East In-
dia Stock, alter purchase, was nut transferred as a
security for the looney advanced to per_liese
it, but was, in fad, invested in• the name of . Mr.
Lind, for the Witness's account. It never stood
ill the name of Viscount Melviiie. He had not
the least reason to believe, that Viscount Mei-
• Tulle ever knew, or supposed any past of that
advance to be public money ; and had no
doubt but that the two thousoad pounds; and
11,3001. advanced to Sir William Forbes and
Co. and to M.snsiield and Co. were tepaid out
of the private funds of Viscount Melville. The
circumstance of drawing the million of money
out of the Bank, was not communicated to Vis-
count Melville; he might have learned it from
other quarters, the Witness never made any
secret or it. The drawing of money to so large
an amount was to pay off several months' navy
bills, for which three millions wete issued on one
particular day ; one million he drew from the
Bank, and pieced at Counts, to accommodate
hill-holders at the west end oT the town. The
Witness certainly. mule use of that part of. the
public money, which he found net likely to Le
cleirre', for his own prefit; it was general y made
use of be lending a: at interest, 1s investing

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'through his:hands. he could not speak to i furthlr
•sem of 3.0001.0 v anced todslans fel .1, Ram say and
Co. TheWitnessthen stated,that lie also kept arm-
ither account with Vieenunt Melville, iu the sidle
book, entitled " Chest Account." The 10,6001. 1
which Viscount Melville said he would account I
for, when the Witeess,first became his PAyreaster. I
was carried to this account, as well as other sums
advanced on account of his Lordship. 't he
10,00iel. Loyalty Loan. sees transferred to this
account. The Witness considered Viscount Mel-
ville to be indebted to Government for the sums
he advAnced upon this account, hut he never had
1 any specific conyersatioa with his Lordship, to en-
ahie him to say positively that his Lordship knew
that he so ceissidered it, lint the accounts wet e
signed. and duplicates delivered to his Lordship.
His reason for transferring the Loyalty Loan mo-
ney from the account current to the chest account
was from an attention to his own interest.. Vis-
count Melville was indelned to hum as a private
lindivi.iuAl only, upen the account current,and
considered him, .s he said before, indebted to
Government for tile belance upon the chest Ac-
count. Those aecnente bore upon the face of
them, this transfer, and were, along wish the do-
plicate', signed by his Lordship, the same as
the other accounts. Hit Lordship ruerAlly stool
I debtor ispott the chest account. When these ac-,
I counts were presented to his Lordship, the Wit-
neat had no couversetioe.with him 'upon them, he
therefory'vras• wholly 'unable es say, whether. his
Lordship knew, at the lime, that he was indebted
10,000 i: to the public. His Lordship, he believ-
ed, koesison which account he stood indebted
iai-
j mediately to Government. The chest accouet
terminated when his Lordship left the office ; he
WAS presented with :a general statement of both
I account:, which he signed and ackeowledged,
and very 1s in istrerwair,is di•charged. The
Witness void not recnllea what they amounted
to, hut hen thieved 50,0001. He did not
recollea laying before his Lor !ship, at that time,
I the differences between the office:cash and cash at
the sank, but told him of the necessity of provid-
ing a sum of money upon bit quitting the navy;
and, having applied for a general settlement, his
Lordship pnintedseut assetts sufficient to discharge
both ; the Witness incorporated the two accounts
together, and his Lordship paid the bAlance,which
ultimately went to make up the deficiencies at the
Bank. The Witness considered that his own ba-
lance to the public was increased by as much as
Viscount Melville was his debtor upon the account
current. If Viscount Melville bad not paid him
the sem due on the private account, to enable. !tiro
to pay that sum into the Bank, lie must have been
under she necessity of procidiug that sum else-
where. In 1789, the Witness give direelions for
the purchase of another sum of E ist India Stock,
for the (week of Viscount Melville. This trans-
Aaiun was newly, as he recolleeted, as follows:
In a con tion with his Lordship.who express-
ed his opinion of the probable rise ofeealue which
would take place its Last India Stock, he observed,
that, if his Lordship was impressed with so good
an opinion of ir, he thought, for his own interest,
he ought to invest a suns of money in it, when
his Lordship replied, he had nodnoney toikvest..
The Witness then told him, that there were con-
siderable balances lying. at all times in his hands,
that were not called for, and probably would nut
be called iOl, from ciicureanances he need not
relate. H- advised his Lordship to allow him to
lay out so much of that mom". as would purcii•se
13 or 14,0001. Moat Lucite Sweet but his Lordship
refused in SO decided and pi-Omega. manner, the
Witness feared lest he bad incurred his displea-
sure. But it occurred to ,him, that it might be
possible to borrow a sum tat money upon the se-
curity of that stock, and he proposed to endea
your to do so, and ley oat the money in East
India Mock, to which' his Lordship readily as-
seated. Ihe W arms then mentioned a relation
of considerable importances in the city, with
whom he then lived, that weiuld enable him to
raise the money, and he made it an easy matter
to his Lordship; but when he applied to Mr.
Lind, who was the person alluded to, he found he
was deceived ; and unwilline to disappoint his
Lordship, in what he so sanguinely told him he
.could cleft, lie never acquainted his Lordship
with the difference, but assisted Mr. Li;.d in ad•
vancing the i.snncy from the pulalic money, of
whits!' be had the management. H 4 never had
occasion to mention the circumstance tia.V iscnune
Melville, until last April ; and he was perfesely
unAcquAlitted with his having made use of the
public money in that transaStion. He charged
his Lordship regular intersect for the whole, hum
the time of advancing it, to the final settlement.
He did not recollect, that his Lordship ever in.
quired the name of the lender, but he mentioned
the net= of Mr. Laud at the time. The divi-
dends were carried to the credit of his Lordship's
account. Irises sum exeraded in the purchase of
this stock was about 23.0001. This debt was di-
minished by payments made by his Lordship to
j the Witnerie to '2,‘J,0001. upon which his Lord-
ship continued to pay interest. .Ihe 3,CG01. so
paid, was carried to the credit of the debt en that
stock, and eves 'paid to :wimess as he ad-
vanced the money. When his Lordship quitted
the Office, its Mey I eOO, lie was possessed of • this
stock. It was held in mist at Coitus's, under the
Witness's controul. lie never was restricted by
ViscuuneMelvillie as to the quantity of money lie
was to keep out of the Batik, at Genus's. His
Lordship left the management of the balances in
the Bask, entirely to lune He enjoyed his Lord-
ship's confidence to the fullest extent, and he
never interfered. The East India stuck of May
1300, was deposited to make up the &fiefs
tricks at the Bank ; the stock rose after the
purchase, and when sold, or pledged, 211,0001.
went to pay off the debt upon that stock.
and 13:000I. in part liquidation of the debt
due to witness on the account curient. His Lord-
ship had the benefit of the rise, and loss of the
fale., upon that stock. The accounts delivered
from time to time, by the witness, included all
receipts and payments on account of. Viscount
Melville. Ihe balances outstanding from feel
to I 710, comprehended those so due tromViscuuut
'Due Witness continued in (Ace two
years After Viscount Melville. Ili. Lordship isAs
succeeded by Inrdllertowby, Mr. Bathurst nest,
and then Mr. Tierney. Mr. Bathurst ordered
the practice of taking money from the Bank, and
placing it at Coutts's or any other
to be dues away. and it was accomplished in
the course of a month. The Witness continued
in the sin' stun of Rip:sesta. after the money was

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gov'ernment ieemities. Tit whole prat and em.).
lument was entirely his own, nor was any intim..
tines made to Viscount Melville, of the public mo-
ney having been M used. He did not know any
instance wherein the public sufferai-antlosa.
StruLtion, Or delay in thelitiblieriiYrtitgitts;frons the
use that had been made of public money, or of
the manner in which be kept his balances else.
where than in the Bank. The public tWnney he
believed to have been at all times safe, and pro.
per securities taken for it. During Viscount
Melville's rteasttrership; sums to the amount of
HO millions passed through kis Lnrdship's hands,
or through his °face, in all which time, no hiss
was. sustained. by the Public, or aoy impedi-
ment suffered by them of ohe single farthing,
to the best of Wittiess's recollection. 11 no
permission had been given for drawing front
the Bank to Coutts,. the same use might be made
of the public money by drafts, in the same way,
on the Bank, and the publiz money might be
laid out for private' benefit, without its reach.n;,
in its intermediate transit, any private Bank; bit
had the Witness done so, he would have thought
it a gre.n dtrelidion of duty. Small payme its
Could only be made by cash in the bands of the
Sub-accountants, and the number of small dui.
ly payments • made, were such as cried not,
with any poss aßical • conveistem.e, be
made by drafts on the Bank. l'hese sums run-
ning so low as from 101. to two shillings, the
average for several years was found to be about
143,0001. The Witless, after some eetpliiiirozy
evidence reseeding- tne iatie and payrient of Nasi
vi Bills, then proceeded to swam, that-the re.
lease already alluded to, was executed br 1). it hi
'London, when Viscount Melville was in-Seutlan4,
No diredions were given by his Lordship, as to
the form of that release, or any particular claw
which it should contain.—Nis books of accounts
were destroyed, by any diredion or • previous
communication of it to Viscount Melville ; Ult
did the Witness know, that his Lordship was
ever acquainted with that circumstance, till after
the publication of the Tenth Report. The de.
strudion of the books was done Goa in- the lean
for the purpose of concealment or benefit us Vie.
count Melville; the Witness bad not hi* Lord.
ship's interest in contemplation when he destroyed
than. The mode in which he kept his accrued
at Coutts's, and the mixture of private and public
money,Was entirely the ‘Vitness's own all; who..y
unknown to Viscount Melville. • He had eonsi
able money transadions with Mt. Sprotts and t
believed, Viscount Melville sever bad the unalle
knowledge of them, nor did he derivaaey advan.
tage from them.. The Witness used A considerable
quantity of the public money for his wan mole.
menu; the whole was exclusively his own, excelst
the sums advanced by Viscount blelvide, upon
which he did not know that any profit Was &nada
except as far as he explained. No part ri those
sums were ever wanted far the public service a
those periods. Some delay took' plate in cones
quence of a necessary eo-operation`beesieen th
Clerks of the Nave and the Pay 01%cebt but to
at all proceeding from the Treasurer or the Pa.
master. The returns were made every for.'
to the different Bobrds, in ',Aids tit T
balance was regularly stated.
Here .the close-examination doted& a
Court adjobrned to the thinti*Atitittillai.
rUTISDAIrii May
The House being' reenneeds and 0100%141
elaSnations made, •
Mr. Ateseoder Treater wee *gain celled
and re-easun: ed by Mr. Whitbread. He state.
mat. in the .i:iu rl exeention'ot business, Viscous
Melv.lie seldom or ever interfered ; but he psi,
Atte 'tints, at all times, to the reptesentations o
slitfi u.t cnses, And pranosals made for improvini
the business of the office.
Messrs. William and Roo,rt Trotter, and twi
Bankers, from Edinburgh, were also ciamined.-
Aujourned to Thursday:
THURSDAY, MAY S.
Mr. Roh,rt Trotter' was called and examine.;
also Mr. Eilaaril An:reins, as to the accown!
kept at Mains. Coutis's. Mr. William Chormie
a clerk in the same house, as to the balances a
thoie accounts. Mr. William Charlton, to to
same died.
Mr. Coati: Trotter was also examined, respehill
a loan of 15,0001. advanced by that House. to
Viscount Melville in 1300, and a conversant!'
with his Lordship as to the security.
Mr. John Taylor. Mr. Beery WM:ing, and )fr
.los6n liadfield,'Clerks in the Bank et England
identified certain bank nowt, paid for privet
purposes.
Mr. rhea,' Aniro3iii, a stock-brokei, spoke ti
the purchase of 10,8181. India Stock, for Mr
Alexander Trotter ; and Mr. John Hatfield KM
nedy proved a transfer of part to Montague Lind
Mr. FianCis Liget spoke to the same Oita, bp
could net say to whom the stock belonged.
Joelh Kaye, Eeq. Solicitor for this Manager
produced a calculation of the probable profit
arising 1:-om these transadians, amounting V
2'2,0621. 15, 01.
Mr. Mark Sprat underwent a long esaminatiee
with resped to the various money wansadien
between him and Alexander Trade: ; bat den'el
any intercon7te or personal interference of
court Melville, to Ins knowledge.
raireav, way 7.
Mr. Join /;;bane and Mr. John Maras, iver
first exorsined ; next, the Right Hon. C 4"
Bran( n. them: ; and the Right lion.
Fifty, re,pea;aq., the manner of managing the
of Treasurersuf tic Navy.
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Mr. et,iestor Xrdson, .of the Navy Pay OiE:d
deposed to a personal Applicai:,m by Viscount .fit,
vide to him, in 1796, desiring to know wits
public money caeld be spared, and ordering ti;r
to draw 4-0,0001. from t::e public Account, tar hi
Lordship's use.
Mr. IVstlrrm Ar3kv LatLvs. Paymaver to Mr
Tierney, spike to some regulations of that °St-
and Mr. Grow Stujirld and• Mr Mark Spr
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were again severany examined ; and. Mr. C ;4.
Brag;:e I; ah. 1.91, at his own request, esplainc,
a part of his former deposi ions.
SATUNDA r, MAY 10.
Every thing haying been arranged in the urea
form,
The Lo so CHANCELLOR told the Solicited
IGeneral,. (Sir Samuel Romilly) that now he mA
proceed (Is sum up.
aissmat. R 011111.11.7 then lddressed
tOr
..ourt, and, after speaking with great modesty 4
ihis •*n powers and capacity to represent, CO s
irsportnnt an occasion, the body of al