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et which there were some Rev. Gentlemen present.
Osi that subject he differed from those who thought
that the Clergy should not interfere in public
;affairs; he thought they had as good r right
as any other individuals to express their opinions.
8i1.L.P9f0q.99-etelYs.itllNlPTllsll =Yet 11/67
kith), of. them (he shotttd soiccpt theren Reverend •
Grid!Gillen who .petitioned the 'House this Hight)
iv ;op.-titles...Wats-ono- M A Yid. of Abe uestion. The
-Petitioners go on to pray for • keforut in the House
lilt Pait4ment, Jand on that subject he had lately
been induced to hope he shoild have the hotsour of
biliikslipported by the Noble Lord opposite (Cos-
tefeagli) ; tor. •iu looking over some ancient re.
. •oirds, lie Mid found a document dated 4th June,
1790, to the followitti effect
'4 We shalt attend our duty at the Horse, to promote tint
eaten, of the Mit to 'soloed the Representation, and to
.wevent penioneta from airbag in that House.
V(gned) 0 FeWARD WARD.
• " Rom. Oviwallt."
....(Loyed cheers cowl mad laughter.)—Now on•
less the Noble Lott/ hail changed very much, he
etiould hope for his support of the Petition: Hut he
realty thought the Noble Lord was greatly deceived
as to the opinions of the people. The cry,“ Re.
• Vstitrt,'' emit now become singlet es general as the cry
North for pence, when they told him they
"•144ter 'mold leave him as long as he had a head loft
w,e.hils shmshisitss God forbid that language should
qieviedi now; r But /Worm must come some time
• toivatherk itnot. by the constitutional means which
Sale flie Loki in his 'truthful ardour advocated,
. ,
&time .. Lard Cha t Itum's . I fo r mfrom with-
it must, it so soon as wine, hut
mu, es, tolters seem dimmed to imagine.
H. warmly attached to the Constitution as
*low eantsioaktiaiiil Ile Wave that es his conscientious and
4 , • ',larrallErieli am not mean to follow the
it. illeintret through all the details of his speech :
•Pte.niemely wished to advert to a topic lie had Pe-
; •motioiced, -relative to his opinions on Porliamentary
.• !Reform He Certainly admitted that these were
•his Sentiments in the yeir 1790, relative to the
tlri•h Potlinment, and lie eluotdd still adhere to
• -thtlaiyif .thlogra.wece now in the same condition.
was• never disposed to support •the
• r • •tw of -Anneal Parliaments and Universal
4111 .—ltt laugh.).—la the year 1793, whets
.thee mfesainhiac was extended to RORS•11 es-
OMSKS, • heespreaded ;himself quite 'wiener' with
v.Reforirt, sod was not disposed to go further.
• a+Sir ibitt Neivtoav said, it was most true the
Viqble Lard Al,l advocate Parliamentary Reform
loorr •y 793, that is. until lie got connected
Alee,'but never siw•e—(Citeers./.....:At that
....'.l jleri*Ne s-irported n Motion brought forward by
• • "rJoiin'e). revered and respected friend, the
• - of h eftterhs• *ad his coutatty, now no mete,
.'4lBl{, oneasiotelte (Lord :Castlereagh) stated,
•tf theltnuee did not reform within, it wotild
. •
e wi. lurtrt, with>r vr ogee, fice.—(
• '• "neje' we're tlie-Ocikesdons rt. the Noble Lord, and
i_ • limier Was ei prophet,' better fulfil led. tie the
- Loll effected a complete tidiest Reform in
Varhansent; and hose ? • By annihilating the
''Parlialment altogeiher.--(Lowd theert.)—This lie
`Titroareht about by a series of Its most peruichuse
• otteastrefilk. by harrowing and distracting that mar.
4.. !wrote 4wentry,. bunt st length he severed' the
Perhatnetit :from • the people, and plunged them
• • ' :uir the indescribable• miseries and mis.
. fortones they 'have *Mee endured, • and' he
• •:strongif feared than coonsels would reduce
014-: country end this Parlionsent to the seam
thoistrous etinditio4 to aim+ he minced his own.
lie hid carefully 'Patched the Noble Lord since
. tAie Brat totunieliteineat of his public career, he
• 0.3 stUtildtolly attended to all his sentiments, and
• "he rroholitily deelmed it woo lint bel:cf, that no set of
rtir fulnetoles iould be more fatal to the happiness mid
fr-edion of any cm:on:than throe impressed on the
-er.. mind of the Noble Lord.—(Cheers )—Phis
formed from a close attention to the
• entire.. he tin& yin ; it was these pi/orioles that
trooglit his count/x.o'o the brink of destructioit,
uod ohich, if not resisted, would be exercised by
V the Noble Lod Its nil country, as they had been
' his own, to 'ir tri et the total destruction of its
Jolts peeitei,ee.— (Lewd cheers )
Lord CAsTISREAGH I.opeti the Hauer would in.
• d:'lge him «tilt a li.w.wh,rivatitiu.i iti reply to the
6 r tirmits of the flight Hon. Ramie', and lie moo say,
. with all dot revived to that Right lion. Gen.
.• •Cenige, even sitkongli he should tot have the
good forn'tie to egrs politirol opinions with
• • him. still Shont,l o,dt hurrah his hear,--(liear.)--
114lkh reareet to the ftitiostiort of the Union,. on
• ' which the Right Ilan. itatoort hod hero ef) hurisb
of his reirellte, he should have liat,irrity to fudge
of his —(lieflr.)-4.1.e felt always inclined
to attend to the Nughi floo. llar,unet. and he did
•
think ih;74 there w. 14 i!iil a more useful Member in that
Noose, hot tni,fortonetele. tt sosPoitors• did' happen
that his temper moor-ilk:in into a idoStmsehinchuly,
• oldirioir if fiefs, and made btv, forgethil of. that
togit degree of secivoii•l dircily that belong, to•
N.M.' Now it did so it'irprn that he stated Ilia
• oroliaws about Vsrliainetitary Itthorn in the year
1743, and slid not incept 'Ace 1797, four
•riars after; so that I:e was rro!IT ourpsised at the
• smut of candorr e•id i,s well as the ex-
traordinary taco with which the Right Ilan. Baru.
• co' could amuse the House with such false state.
sursoo.— •
Mr. MARTIN adilreawid a few worlds to the House
to support of Loot Coarlertsgh. HP- thought the
4 CilideCt of the Noble Laid woo eperhictly justifiable.
• Dlr. Poosoulay oasinimello Reamer, but a 11i•
tooner of ti e troli Parliament ; lie could tint
raficeive the creesaily of Parliiimeneary Reform in
Logland. where they enjoyed a nom totininible
tec emittotion.
• • 1111sr•J on N 'WPM? dud sot state that the Noble
Lord adhered to,liis sentiments of Parliarnentsry
Reform until the moment he accepted office, bet
• that (emu that period' he was err!** re evety era*,
Of Reforns. The Noble Lord' were pleased so say
Allot he had icdulged iti air snort tirade; bet lie
• (Sir difin Newport) Could out tiprak with Newer
' and coldness *loco the Noble Lord isccoonts foe Isis
'‘‘Sit conduct liy charging the loch Pallhowieirt
• Moth corruption and vendor, while it ors °Myer.
witty known • that the Nubile hiswelf was one
• of the priticipai cruses oh renitermo that Parliament
veudl by the oppressive memoirs be introduced.
Lord Carrisnitaou explained in a few words.
• It was really too much fur the Right lion. })truant

to indulge in diat 'stigmata sod ' -at
would be me& more creditable to ask
hie seo4itaeuhriit,t)eiaimmarbezt.as
itr.;ll-Nineitsiiiiers.isireseisteits shot ion
from:the Bricklayers of Landoll:sad .Westasinoter.
Ortlererlio be-panted- , .

Sir FRANCIS BLARE said he held in his hand a
Petition from the Mayor. Bailiffs, and Borgesues
of the Borough of Barmick.upomTweed, his con-
stituents, to guild ,assembled. It stated, that in
their opinion • the• aramire of her Illsjeity's name
from.the Liturgy lest illegal and uojust, mud that
the continued exclusion. after the abassdo 1111 l rot of
tha Bill. of Pains and Pecslties, only inereived the
ferment which the proceedings hud excited iu the
country. They lamented that the attention of. that
Hisinourable House lied, by that proceeding. beets
diverted from the distraint of the Country, and
from the adoption of measures of economy and re-
trenehinat, and from the consideration unite. metros
of effecting a salatary Reform of Parliament; and
they preyed that the House would immediately
take steps for restoring her Majesty's name to the
Liturgy, and effectually to put an end to the pre.
sent unhappy agitatiot-s. In these sentiments he
moat cordially and heartily concurred, and lie would
do all in his power to support them. He would
take that opportunity of asking his Majesty'. Mi-
nisters a question; but whether they answered it
now, or hereafter, or never, was of very little con-
sequence to hian.—(Laird end continued laughter•
which convulsed the House for several minute'
1 he House would presently understand his mewl-
ing when they heard his question, which was phis :
If b-r Majesty's name had stood in the Liturgy
at the time when the Bill of Pains and Penalties
was withdrawn. which lied been in that House. be
would .ay, most mistakenly, most unjustly termed
a technical acquittal, would the Ministers have
advised her Majesty's tonne to lie expunged ?
(Cheers from the Opposition Benches.) —lf they
would have so advised, they would have coon-
tersely' the t ffect of the withdrawing of the
Bill; 'hey would have done shat 1.0 man in his
senses would hove dune; but it had been well
said by au ancient poet, " Quo, Deus gulf perdere.
prim: demeatut.—(Cheers mod laughter.)-11 they
would not have an advised, they ought now to
restore the same; if they would eat punish after arqvitsat,
they oseht 001 to Inn dome it before trial, and they ought
t
to do-all that lay Is their power to make reparation for 'he
wrong they had door, by restoring the esame to the Liturgy.
Hear, hear.)
Lord OSOUIXTON spoke is sappott of the Petitions,
which was thew read sad ordered to be priated.
Mr. W A RRE gave notice of a motion fur Mersey, re.
Wive to the Case of thermally of she Bowdltthes.
Lord FOLK ESTON B gave wake that his How. Priem',
the Member for Appleby (Mr. erecvey, we believe) wueld
wage • .Nina on Tuesday nem, awspaatiog the missrlogt of
the High Sheriff of the County of Chester.
Mr. BROUGHAM presentrd a 'whites from the !nimbi.
taws or liteadal, in Wessmoiland,.pra jog for the issenim
of the Queew's same la the Lithe', • lobe printed:
MOTION TO INSERT THE QUEEN'S NAME IN
THE LITURGY.

Mr. JOHN SMITII said, that in rising to make the mo.
lino of which lie hall gives maim., be begged kayo to remind
the House that he bed had the honour of presenting a Peti•
lion from a very lenge aid honourable body earths. Inhabitants
oldie afetwapiabs, iteploribg the restoration of her Mojesly'll
'name to the Literglj. He' meted, he kitewl In miokessite with,
else. ebbs**, aka greater part, at least, of the individuali
who wooed that Petite.ns in making the inoefote which*,
was now Aunt to Fromm. um • subject of die talons(
ituportasee to the tonally. Is tee observations .be
had to make to support of his motion be should
be extremely &Mobile to &mild every smple which
miscalculated to irritate; bel he felt it to he his deity to
enforce every point that bore upon the oesestion. „It was
wow just twelve moothsaince the Ministers, after the death
of out late most gracious hove reigu, bad shortie, proper le
advise his Majesty to exclude sloe name of the Queen from
the Liturgy. He bed used every endeavour to possess trim.
self Mall the itiformation which could be tebteised from lb*
Geoilemen tan the other able of the Houtw, as to the reasons
which had induced them to give that advice; het up to the
present asumesit he had been unable to learn the precise c. a.
min fur their conduct. Sn much hid already been repeatedly
said of the cruelty and injustice of that art, that all he
cools( add would possess hat little /race, if that had failed
to produce conviction. (ha some particular points of her
Majesty's case conaderablediffiresices of opinion prevailed;
hut he sever yet had sni t with any individual out of that
Horse, who; whatever differeaces of opinion might in other
respects exist between them, did not agree with him in ere.
surto' this act of &fleeter, —( floor, bear.)--Motb..bad
been said of the attempts which were goalie to keep her Ma-
jesty abroad; he was out one of tburse who blamed Mioieters
fur that part of their conduct. But how did it happen
that with that dire at heart they should sdopt Ibt only
means which could render it Impossible that she should con•
tense abroad ?--(Hear, Lout, Loma )—II bad bees stated that
it was owing to acaudalues tonsures whieh reached Govern-
ment from abroad, that that etioduct was adopted. He hail
himself toiled such route but as mot one word of those
reports which reacbret had been incorporated into the
rharge against her Majesiv, 'be therit.re took it for granted
shut they were aliogesber false.—(/leer, beir.)-11 wee trot •
his biennials to occupy the time of the House, or to fasigue
its patience, by travelling through the evidence. It was al-
together odious and disgusting, and he hated even to drink
of it; but he must beg that the House world go elong with
him in Ike view which he telt it necessary to take of thecae*.
The Bill was carried cm and persevered in to the last stage,
,when the Noble Lord st the brad of the Administration, who
use the promote of the am, boding himself supported
only by a majority of nine, said, that the House bad de.
tided that the preamble less proved, but that ss the majority
Wail so small, he ouuld not press the measure simian Ike
opinion of the country. The Noble Lord bad done wisely
in abandoning its fur, 'mold it have been endured by that
Wow, could it have been mothered ley' the country, shit a
me so passed should have bests taken as the fair
espersoion of the &cisme 40 the other House of Parliament
Could it fur • MOMelli have beets believed that • legislative
measure was fairly carried, which was mowed ugly by the
wow of Mee individuals acting in the triple coperiby of
jury. judges, mid preemptors, who had therstrongesisposei.
ble reesuus.for wishing the Bill to pan? He ties induced
in make these eheervatiousy Ibeceuse be kid, to his great sus.
prise, heard doetrilies advanced in that House which were,
is his opinion, utterly irrecoomilable with the plainest prin-
rapier of Ostia. fie had most skeidightiet immense of cest.•
ing any reflection tie them Notele,korde; booty lie would ask
whether It was uut evident that there were away things which
might be expected sit inflitessce theiijudgemene ? Men, were
in the habit of placing implicit eissiedesseei in the Ministers,
awl trlivresittillhi he intioesseed in a cuerviderable degree by
themosellerattuts of area oteltostions or. faunas ‘anoeived.
Ice wooer of the mussosee of surto • easefrAmics as larr had
sometioroml, it was um re semary logo suss of *hal floors to
And leatonce• of the Melodist coabilenee its Ministers in,
flefieteg loaliekluahi lb giving/ dieir vides. He remembered
an lambing. of a Momber for • throbb -Isoesogls who, whys
shlehlug up ships, brims ached as be his Itioilelef fur
soiminetiolt a question dial was than made' dearsowirio,
replied, that "he never. troubled himself simul that,,
ale. Pitt always thrombi fur him."—(!.rood lnagifer )
ti tike kllitlair he had out the smallest rtuubt Ihat the Noble
Lard al the head of the Government thought fur many of
the 'NOM, Peery, and that the unubrrwt ehnse wlw pieced
oath ClSliallelier in hint, contributed rergiaagety to Sloe ma-
jority fur the Bill. Ile, however, could Werr nsai nl lu the
stottrinc that We charges weir proved. He heard its tbst
Meuse frigaent na:triiuus of her Majtity's vitt. He would

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