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....4 it igargi iiirUWl. "coder their heerfiti iterriihstery
telieeree ter died fiat ealriebte improvement is the ewe& •
Attie ofthe gelide, which i. Indispensably itehieteltd with the
Wet tetereetewee prosperity of the St ate."--
: Mr. Gout.nuan promised to follow as narrow a
snick ea that to which the Right Hoiworable Born-
stet had confined himself. As to the questino. lie
*might it might be :monied that it wits chiefly in-
ailieled to promote discomilon un tlw store of Ire-
; Wel. He did not memo to deny the main facia
and arguments of the Right Hon. Baronet's speech.
and still less the samitions of the motion propmed ;
atilt it did not seem to hum to he a necessary duty
Ira the House to take MI itself to state principles
to the Crown, merely because they were tree. The
practice wonld he inconvenient. The object of
the Motion was of course to reflect on the Irish Go-
i .trernment, tither for not understanding shoal
eight principles of governing, or else for be. '
iog slow or incapable in adopting them into the
, practice. He delended the Irish Governnient fens!,*tirsy such imputation. He reminded the House of
the very abort time. nominally three mouths. bit
realty not more than seven weeks. that it ,had been
seated. He attributed the evils which vested that

country to ceases far remote in point of time—to
the early conquest, and all that had proceeded from
it—to the divisions created of old, end perpetuaied I
be ell succeeding generations—to the religious dis- '
motions whieh made the people of property, who '
were chiefly Protestaant, attribute the jealousy of
the lower classes, who, were chiefly Rome.' Catho-
lics. to the influence of their religion. It was won-
derful, he Mid, to observe with what fondness the old
inhabswista eherished the recollections of hatred to.
wards hostile parties with as much vigour es belonged
to the Rut agitators. who perhaps existed centuries
ago. tt world be difficalt for Government to adopt
soy nweisures which were likely to influence habits de-
tivedfroen periods so remote; end strengthened into
inveteracy by every succession of cirearnmances.
The Right Hon. Baronet said that Ireiaed wee too
highly taxed, and from the weight of the tuition
he deduced all the evils which he ascribed to the
number of absentee proprietors. Now though be
(Mr. G.) might think the 'sum rained from that
country by taxes ton largireonsideising the rehnire
proportions of the wealtKdaterproperty of the two
countries, yet he could not ascribe to it this effect
which the Right Honourable Baronet represented it
as producing; and when the Right Hon. Baronet
told them that immoderate taxation in Ireland
drove the gentry and landed proprietors from that
country, to seek a cheaper habitation in this, he
(Mr. G.) mast call upon the Hbuseto consider the
degree to which the rate of tisitios its this canary
had been augmented during the war. Without at
all entering into the question of the melange of the
! taxation upon Ireland, without eallitit Willa them
to say whether that country was or *WIWI too
• highly taxed, he could not help calling Open them
tos consider whether they could imagine it possible
• that persons should have been forced, by the rate of
taxation, from Ireland to this country, whew it
was notoriously so much higher. The question
of•the tithing system of Ireland. on which the Bight
' Hon. Baronet had also dwelt, was one of the greatest
intvictiey and importance, most extensive in its bear-
ings,and differing moat wide lyfrom that which prevoril.•
ed in England. ft wus one which required the deepest
and most attentive eonsideration, involving on one
hand the rights of the church, nod on the other
those of the people, end requiring. whenever it
should be brought before them fdr consideration,
Neat both the one and the other shonld he moat im-
partially weighed before soy dreisioa was formed.
The-tithes most be considered as cmrsing with•
them a right of property, and it most be home io
mind that the time principle open which they
might be called' open fdr a legislative interference
with that right, sight hereafter be made the ground
for calling for a similar ioterference with pro.
perty .of other descriptions. If for instance, be-
anise the tithes were collected by third persona. and
net by the parties iu whom the interest wee origi...
nelly vested, they were to be called upon to inter..
fere with the property of the church—he called
open them to consider whether, for the same reason, •
they might not hereafter be urged to a similar W. ,
terference with other property. He knew that
tithes, that rents, that taxes, that county rates. that
Grand-Jury pteeentments, in short. that every thing
in the shape of a demand for peementlffiny kind..
had been repeatedly denounced as the source of .
the grievances of which the people of Ireland had
to eemplein, and the cense of the disturbances
which were continually breaking out in that country.
But if -thew things were made the topics of corn.
plaint, if these were proclaimed as the grounds of
discontent in Ireland, it was not because they were
really so seriously felt as evils by the people, but
because- the disturbers there knew that the agita-
tion of such topics eras likely to secure to them the
osoistaoce of those classes upon whose passions they
sought' to work. Whatever disposition the Go-
vernment of Ireland had to search into the causes
and oriels' nature of the disturbances in that
country. fur the purpose of providing u remedy,
it. was its paramount deity to apply itself in the
first instance to the repressing of these disturb.
anew. •And though it ' had in seine degree
succeeded in its earthen' for that purpose, it
by no 'nouns followed, that because disturb.
'times were Sow less prevalent iu particular die:
tricts than they were • month ago, that the tran.
qualvty of the cenntry was petfectly restored. The
symptoms were yet such as strougly skewed the
necosaler of contiening those measures by which
the peace had, been to some degree re-evtablished,
and that il they were too suddenly removed the dim
torbonees would almost imtontly break out again;
He could. 'however. assert the House, that, much
as the• intension of the Government bad been
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oeenpied tey the secretory mewtire! for reprewing
the•erda, sold the coostint corresFioncleoce which' ti
wito•neeesoory to Corry on with the Magiotrato;a
is varies* qoartere of the eneutry, it hid not
hoes isottroviee to the topics on which die
Rigstt Hot. Baronet had &irk so much sod so
forethly urged. But when the ttiflievlses• of coat-.
fientenlhen- were conwdereof, when it' is ressen-
bawd that Maxwell sod tom Hight Him. rtiwtd .tom

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sinterOveeill of i'freeteheeetearily at..
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tessifing tfbrie duties in littgleut, while the Lord
Lieutenant was ad* ''eg the goreitintent •in
land, the diffieultreie ' trendy oaten:dent upon
. .- jotercollie hetweeii them and that noble person.
ingether with the difficulties of the subject itself.
ight he thought well excuse the Government front
elnirge of mettention in nut being at that mu-
Wfaut prepared to make any satisfactory communi-
cation to the House upon the subject, He the result
of the opinion of that Government upon the nature
end utile of the disturbances, founded spun the
.loquiries which they had been enabled to make,
and the reformation whose they had been able to
acquire. He hoped, therefore, the House would
see the propriety of postponing for the present the
consideration of the state of Irelaud, until he
should he prepared officitally to communicate
the opinions of the Government on that subject.
The motive of ;he Right Hon. Baronet, if agreed.
to, enuld in effect affix a stigma to the character
of the Irish Government, which would be se impo-
litic as unjust, by wading it forth as the opinion
of that House that it was nabs to administer the
effairs of that country; he therefore concluded by
moving the previous qoestioo. (The Right Hon.
Gentleman then sat down iltili,i feud cheering from
both sides of the House.]
Mr. Ni. C•LVEAT supported the motion of the
Right Hon. baronet.. pad corstended that Wend,
possessing in her climate, the fertility of her soil,
.and the extent of her cultivation, threefold ativati-
sages over Scotland, which paid 4,000,0001. of
tissaa, ought to be able to pay at least 12,000.000/.,
wherew it only paid an equal amount with Scot-
land, which was as strong a-proof as could be had
of the misgovernment to which it had been subject.
Mr. Seale° Rica said the Govermaiou itself,
.in fixing six mouths as the period of duration
tibial it proposed to Parliament to assign to the
i- Acts which it had called upon it to puss relative
to Ireland, when it was net wingoine enough to an-
ticipaie die complete restoration of the tranquillity
of the country wathio that period, could only have
done so for the purpose of affordiug en opportunity
fur this discussion, in order that it might slier what
was the ',siert and the causes of the disturbances
Mere, and what they proposed to do towards their
removal. It was therefore surprising that aa ob•
jection should slow be made to die inquiry how far
those measures had been well applied, and how
tier the Government had been justified in their
adoption. The Right Honourable Camitleman
had relieved him from one part of the task which
he expected be should have had to perform, by
admitting • suite of misgovernment to have en-
eiently existed io Ireland, from which he deduced
the evils with which that country was at presort
afflicted. He did not know where the Right lion.
Gentleman meant to fix the limit of ancient and
modern government, but in casting over five ceu-
tunes he had only sacrificed Henry 11. and Strung-
bun, Earl of Pembroke. But if to thaw, the
original invaders, whose doctrine with regard to
property was " plunder," and with regard to the
people " exterminate," Ireland owed the establish-
ment of the feudal doctrines and barbarous policy
which bad produced the evils under which she had
so long suffered, an enlightened Government
during the lost two centuries, or even daring
the last filly years, might have retrieved the mis-
chief. What had occasioned the strikirig difference
between England arid Ireland but titelisseduet or
its Goverustreat, and those tustitistiosis *site focuser
which the latter had never esjoyedit- Weed hod
never known the blessiug of"1' At* et/institution
until 1782, when she acquired it throws(' the eller-
. (toss of • most illustrious patriot, of whom it was
almost profanation in him to speak—he meant the.
Right Hon. Henry Grattan, a dabs, 9101r011000Arabie!
than enuld he given tonne, uneasily's,* ef Wash-,
Wigton. The constitution she then obtained gave her
the asarerie of int prevement, but they were always uti- '
der the influence of Coverument. She had her two
Homes of Legislator*, but whet was the use made
of them by the Government ? The honours of the
one *ere made made use of to corrupt the inte-
grity and Petriblisto of the other.---(Cherra.)—The
policy orthe twenty years preceding the fission was
preessely• whet Ind been followed since. The first
battle fought in, the Imperial Parliament was on
the Neff Martial Lew 'Bill—al most ominous
tile*t cons-
" Jot that country--aud. referring. to
proceedings . since that period, it was • caroms,
to observe two streams flowing together down the
channel of Parliamentary history; the one.ofiremy
taxation, and the other of strong coereion.=(Clisers)
—Measures o( inquiry sad redress had been free
quently proposed front that (the Oppositioe) aide
of the Home; but timagh•the miasma. of taxa-
tion and coercion were always carried, those for
inquiry and redress were skills rejected. The
same objection had ever been made as that which
they heard to-night. It was never the proper time;
slimlya too son; sad the Government was never
ready. A proposition of that mature respecting the
tithes had been brought forward in 1808, by e
friend of his, which was met by the Munster of
that day with the seise excuse. Indeed Mr. Per-
ceval went rather further than the Right Mon.
Gentleman (Mr.'Cllohibbrn) had done that night,
for he distinctly stated that the question was under
the consideratiou of Government, and that it was
Mieuded to propose • specific measure. It was
agent revived in 1809, and each successive year up
to 1812 inclnave, and as regularly evaded by the
tante plea. It was now objected that times of diffi-
culty were not the proper seasolis her agiteting such
gabjecte; bat is better times wish "hat lace could
any aim come forward with a proposal to inquire
inn) tire crosses of disturbances which no longer
existed ?—(Hear, hear,)—Thus to Ireland, nei-
(her day nor night was there soy hope of
rest. The (become* of these topics was depot.
rated as pregamot with -danger; but. there was-one
thing which-was much more to be dreaded in Ire=
lend than discussion, mai that was despair !
tHeisr. hear.)—By the rejection of this Address,
pragigh otos& sun further than to pledge theta•to the
~eidiailleretion of the se bject . t ha hopes of restoring sire
' pewee's, Ireland would be destroyed. lie called on
the noose, therefore, to adopt it, as holding out the
bolter:4 coovifiatory measures to come. In every
discussion that had taker plow ass. the tithe system,
every Irishman who bad spoken on the subject,
wassever the aide of • the House from which he
spoke, had reprobated it. mud said that if they
ewer buffed to. restore iseoquallity. to Ireland that
eyeteta mu oat be ameliorated. The *sheet. of lecel
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