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IMPERIAL PARLIAME VT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Tuaroar, MARGO! it'.
PLATIAIIt r WA( DD DDD .
This wr.s au appeAl front the Court of Searles, respecting
the right of eketion is the Vutitersity of ISt. Andrew's, and
the question Was, whether the Principal of two united Col-
leges there bad two votes, an original, sud a casting use?
Sir Samuel Romilly and Mr. Clarke were beard at anal-
derabla length en behalf of the Appellant —Further proceed-
hags ou Thursday next.
'the Jamaica Free Port Bill, the Expiring Laws Bill, and
the 'Marine Mutiny Bill, wee 'rad a second time.
The Nrwfounitiaiid Judicature Bill, and the North Aims-
riciin Frah Importation Bill, were read a fist time.
The Cape of Good nom Trade Bill, nrd the Bermuda
Seed 8111, rail%Cd thtoU.th Commdlees, and were reported
a ithaut asmoiluattit.—Adjourred.
11011 SE OF COMMONS.
A :tiess:ge from the House of Lords informed the House,
that then Lordships bad agreed to areeral Private Bill..
in ilia 'omit's, fur the committal at the Minteliester mi • it r
Hill, it s.ra opposed on the grimed of long cookery
to Ito ,114141. Of Ih, lithalsitasitc—Aftirs souse disemaiiia it
was ograr.l that the progress of the Bill should Ise defer;eil
till Ore real orntimesits of the people of Ilkincirester can be
Motion.
Mr. Johnstone mesented at the Bar as Accusal of the
Cann imported ioto Great Britain from Irciaud, in the course
of last year.—(h Jared to he no the table, ami he rusted.
REPORTS OF TIIE COMMISSIONERS OF NAVAL
ItF.VISION. •
qtr Clistmes s: ruse fur the porpoise of sub-
mitting to the 'louse it inotiou !winded on the
Reports of thy l uwutiaaiw,aaa uf Natal Revision.

tad *Os* ess ills foist llketwie obi, h
out usitillt lutetium hsamahos oldie Navy
set ; alb iamb *dots tisi iorood ais4
Oath &piety roams ad hake ilelasteas a
resisasess to Taoism Am. sod thologoty the pub-
lic were likely to otiateila GINN the errata in
Navy Accounts; tau veinier at on.
period remeautig unaudited ; to w ich. the
Commissioners of Naval Revisit/atilt submitted
opinions, which be thought had not bees duly at-
tended to. HO particularly alluded to the Victual-
ling Office, which he said had airier been in erre..
from the reign of Queen Anne to the present day,
and had never yet devised means of fairly sub-
mitting their accounts to the public. The Hole
Baronet spoke in so low a tone of voice, that it was
with difficulty we gathered what we have given; he
concluded with apologizing to the House for the
thees he had engrossed their attention, which lie
said he seldom did, hot upon Naval Affairs, and
moved, s'. That it is the opinion of this 'louse. that
neither of the plans recommended by the C
Sorters of Naval Revision will have any avail, un-
less the Members of the Victualling Board are nom
of real abilities, of great professional knowledge.
and are formed consistently with the opinions given
by the Conimissiouers of Naval Revision in their
several Reports."
Mr. WARD said, that had be not frequently
heard of the intentions of the Hon. Bart. in loilig-
ing forward this mottos, he should have been at a
loss to know the mewling of it. What he had pro-
posed to be entered on the Journals, was merely a
truism ; that unless proper men were appoioted,
and MPH of experience, the public tumid not be
i,roperly served : Surely siothing was plainer. But
this was not the real object of the Hoit. Baronet ;
his real olject was, to throw an indirect censure on
the present Board of Admiralty. As the motion
was now framed, it was impossible to move a liege-
tive upon it, as he would willingly have done, and
would therefore meet it by moving the previous
question. He should do this, nut because he dis-
agreed with what had fallen from the Honourable
Baronet, but from the meaning it was intended to
convey, anti which would be well understood. If
the Honourable Member had any charges to bring
forward ; if he knew of any misdoings, or of im-
proper conduct in any individual, it would have
been more manly4to have come forward. and pointed
out the particular departments, or the
.particular
individual. Perhaps he meant to imply, as
he had heard similar insinuations, that the Vic-
tualling Board was not properly constituted. Did
1 he Meal) to attach any criminality to the Chair-
man of that Board? This Gentleinan he knew
united in an eminent degree balding peculiarly suit-
ed to his office. Did he mean to impute blettne to
the Deputy Chairman ? For his censure extend-
ell to all. Did he mean to impute blame to Mr.
Boactoreu ? Perhaps he might object to him be-
cause he was ao attorney ; but a man of professional
abilities was absolutely necessary. . Did he man to
impute blame to Mr. Orby or Mr. Brown?-11e
wished the Hon. Baronet would take his handers=
his face, and say to whom the blame ro. ••eel.
IA erg of Order ! Order !1. The Hoa. Member
-aid he did not wish to Ise persoual. He continued
—Those two gentletaes had been appointed in coo-
- Sequence of the recommendation of the Commis-
- sawn of Naval Revision. It would have been a
more manly procedure to have mimed the person
to-whom erasure was to have attached, than that
which he had adopted, with lie was convinced was
ouch as uo one near the How Baronet would have
entertained for a moment ; but as lie had not made
out a case, he (Mr. W.) would do it fur hits. like
had wished to say what ought to be done, he would
go farther into the subject. The Honourable
Member then produced two extracts from Reports
of the Victualling ijoard, from which it appeared,
that that Board had been excused from forwarding
their accounts in 1798, as it would then have ens-
barra:.esed the ni, from the great pressureuf busillellll,
and tend to the injury of the service, by occasion-
ing neglect in more impoi taut matters. At the
present period we are snare beset titan they were in
1798, and yet the Board of Admiralty now did no
such thing ; they had reformed the Victualling
Board, and were couti 111 l ing to learn the immense
arresr of ten millions, as stated by the Hon: Ha-
mlet ; they had set themselves to work to remedy
that which hail been so neglected by others. The
present proposition was unfair ; it was totally im-
possible to meet it by argurueut, unless lie made
another and a better for Inuit. if he wished to raise
his distracter, he should have charged Lord Mul-
grave with hating placed improper persons at the
head of the Victualling Board. If he does not-
quarrel with that, does he quarrel with the retire-
ment of Mr. March ? At the time that geutleman
reined, it was necessary to make a ehatige in the
Committee, where he served as Chairman; it was
an irksome duty, and his old age end long services
entitled hint to the indulgence of retiring upon
full pay, particularly as be had been a wan of up-
right conduct and distinguished ability. Would
the Hon. Baronet soy, that Mr. Serie had been
atipenseded to introduce another for corrupt pm-.
poses ? And Mr4Budge had represeuted to the
Board that he could not attend, on account of ill-
health. No blame could attach for the loss of
these two able men. He next adverted to the de-
gree of blame which had been imputed to Colonel
Welsh NMI Capt. Stuart. Colonel Welsh was a
man °limpet amiable virtues and great abilities ; at
the time lie was appointed, no Report had been
given by the Cole missioners of Naval Revision,
and he could *hew that his appointment was not
contrary to their dtc,ino; he was appointed in
1807, and the First Repent was not drlivotril at
the Admiralty till 1808. What ha.- *he Hum Barn
routes to say against him ? Would he .. :...,..“ !I
hire, bet:oust he is a Colonel in the army ? Is that
heir?.
Mr. WHITRIRAD here interrupted the Honour-
able Getetleman, by calling t . to order. He said
lie was not answering a single point of the night's
question. but was replying to a speech which had
been inside three weeks since.
Mr. VV AND said, the interrruption was of small
consequence, as he had nearly finished what he
had to ray. He had been Noxious to explrio the.
dilemma in which the motion of the Honourable
Baronet had placed him, as it tended to throw
Warne upon Lord Mulgrave. Could the ode ob.
jectiou to the appointment of Colonel Welsh be
leis Colonelcy ? Ile was houest, industouus, sad

ilonealptile. V it is to be conteeded, that it is
Wryer tie sprint oaken in dm army le such
situations, he wan ready to joie issue epee it um.
mediately. He thee cootauded, that the shoes
of the army and navy were lbegeestly so bleadcd
together, as to render it eetsomely desirable to
have a military man at the Nosy Board. Where
thee was the impropriety of Colonel Welsh's
appointment ? When they apse to the question
of East India provisious, his services would be
readily acknowledged ; his integrity and disinte-
restedness were well known • and it was not be.
cause he is' connected with Lord Mulgrave that he
is to lo.• driven from his station. Every thing he
had said about the Colonel would apply to Cap-
teM Stuart, who was of a family of whom i• might
he truly said, that 6, All the sons were brave, and
all the daughters virtuous." Ile then again ad.
verted to what he deemed the strange conduct of
the Mover, in proposing a truism for a resolution,
which would convey other ideas than what it ap.
peared to do--n censure upon the Board of Ad.
mintlty, tut which there tit. not the slightest
grounds, and coucluded by snoring the 'previous
question.
Mr. 11. NIARIIN said, that the accounts were
"vestry in :wear was well understood; but it had
nut been stated how this happened. The Hon.
Gent. had forgotten to expiate the most desirable
points. It was very disagreeable to him to speak
of private 11141 Iletf:rta, or 111 any degree to be per-
sonal. Who are' the persons alleged to- be re-
moved ? First, the Chairman. upon his full sala-
ry. oil account of advanced age ;—a inure able
person he knew not where to !it'd; and it was a Wl_
oulen—an extraordinary fain, that the person ap-
!minted to be Dowdy-Chairman was his minor in
life, and not only much older, but more
Another Gentlemen had been ramovod,
Budge, who was Secretary to Loot Mt lyilh, and
was in every way ii man of business. One of the,
best Atcomitiiiite had been removed; and it was',
singular, that, where accounts were so complex—.
an much in arrear, that such should have been the;
case ;—load they not been removed, we should
have heard of their resignation. The country
being burdened with pensions, would expect to
hear more iu defeat* of the removal of such per.
sons, and of the appointment of others. The
lion. Gentleman's argument* were very poor ; he
Celt they were bad, and consequeutly seemed very
sore while using them. As to what had been said
of throwing aspersions upon men in office. if every
fault found were to be deemed an aspersion. there
would scarcely be one who had not occasionally
found fault, and of course who had not been guilty
of winder aspersions. The motion reeommended
own of considerable professional experience to
bring up the accounts of the Navyt bet the Hon.
Gentleman thought it better to look to the Army
for this purpose ; he had entered into it vindication
of their private charsotere—.he was happy they
were respectable private character's Lut they had
to look to their public professional abilities. He
thought the argsoneuts of the Hon. Geutleinsa
curiously accommodating; when he wished to intro..
!•, • • ,:..:.posy men to mansige
.tlio affairs of the
navy--ne fouud they were best suited to the Ake;
when lie wished to introduce a lawyer, mime so
good as a lawyer ; and lied be 'tidied Is introduce
a physician, his argument would have been the •
same.--ile conceived there was rem fore maws
derable degree of suspicion. *ben persons, as Mt
had stated, had berm removed, witheat auy sa-
tisfactory reason. lie copeluded by declaring
his hearty concurrence iii the motiOu of the Hon.
Baronet.
Mr. Bantam defended the Honourable Bart.
from the imputation he supposed to be attributed
to him by the Hon. Member who spoke last, of
brining forward the present motion from improper
motives. The lion. Meruber had said, them was
something lurking behind, which it wee not thought
fit to avow ; but he would ask him did he know
nothing of such a stimulus to action as public me-
tives ? or did lie disbelieve in the existence of a de-`
sire to lie instrumental in rendering a vendee to the
country ? For such lie was satisfied was the motive . •
which activated his friend in this business. It well-1
also asserted, that the motion was intended to °pr.'
rate as a censure, though none such was expressed,
and that therefore it was to be opposed. This he
believed to be an mention wholly without founds.
time (Here Mr. Ward interrupted the honourable
Member, foe the purpose of 'disclaiming all impu-
tation of improper motives in the conduct of the
Hon. Bart.) Mr. Bastard continued by observing,
that the Hon. Gentleman had considered the mo-
tion as casting, by implication, though uotin terms.
sin imputation of unfitness upon the Victualling
Board; he was sure that none such was intended, .
but merely stating what the Report itself say*.
With respect to the Victualling Board, as it stood
before the change took piece. it had been asserted to
he so vicious. in its construction, and in the conduct
of the public business, that it could not possibly %ma-
tinee without a reformation ; mod yet if this were
true, the only way the Members of it were punished
was, by pensitining them oft". *liana). Frilled had
been asked, to whom he alluded is M
Litt=
lions? Tim feet oe the contrary was, big"
had made no oiliness, whatever, it was the Com-
missioners of Naval Reform who made the
sHe-
siaris. if any there were: and the I louse was mere'?
milled on to agree with the conclusions which these
Commissioners had drawn from die facts stated isl
their Report.
Mr. WARD said a few words in explanation'.
Mr. %Vet.treLev Poldt said, he was supposed
to have stated, on a former night, than termer
Cmiiinissioners of the Victualling Board were so
vicious as to render it necessary they should be re.
moved; he denied making use of any such words ;
what he said was, that the former mode of con-
ducting the busint es in that department, was found
to be such as to require die removal of some of
the Members of the Board. and also to amend the
system upon which they had proceeded. He ad-
mitted the motion rif the Ito:mutable Baronet oas
not such as to call tor all the warmth expensed by
his Honourable Friend, (Mr. Ward). in • Parlia-
mentary point of view, and he was glad to find
him open his *torment by confining hitaiself mere-
ly to the substance of the Teeth Report, agree-
log as he dad with it, sad we h the necessity of
pmending the evils therein stated; he was, how,-
ger, sorry the Honourable Baronet did not, at the
same time, road two other Reeorts, which were also


before the I
T•eMh Repo
to the Virtue
E4,,nth Rep
riots olattioru,
mer, that in 4
they moat Ore
that Report, h

of utisinenaKt
and that the f
an Officer at
thousand cask
for. He wot
Report similar
accounts of t
these Report
that appropn
ro,nted out
it toerits of t
to. in to spec'
o tt-adietiotts
u.ttited. TIIf
IkriOrt, that t
th- 3,etuathi
cult-forted wi
itr. appearet
oft -lAA to on
iu another in
:magma of SC
Troth Numbs
variation in se
cousideruble I
that of root t

lt•andy there
Tressed to have
”ee. throng'
e-ri unity u vet
eited of in
1. ke.riNe, then
fmtr•c),,tilei p
pieers ; nod
sithiert had
idni.it. all they
that the mil.
or few- ionotd
esi, did ever'
'?
, y or not
take wst said
hurry canted
certainly a vi
error. Tly. I
tory en the
hod holm foi
let, althougl
tint which
ever into th
The troe eau
hid fonnd
charging are
bet of staves,
the same nun
to produce a
iu the amoun
the otter imt
Board, in tin
preaent, to do
from them.

tleidlisag Boil
one fro& the
vi,nth .her

See, stating,
troissienere h■

nor hid shy
them, to act
siteire.l the
done, elf that
tleta by the
ince should
at this time t

Ye expected.
of public hue
Tiesigtial 'nee
Learned Ger

st all person
he looked to
Board, he di
tual reform
/*tee at least
This was suf
slated it the
an; to no le4
which was t
yours stimili:
the Vietusil
Irmo this we
reformation I
The honor
Certainly asp
particular; a
fietitleinan I
doloseee of
this n
SO correct al
wet him ri,c
dated that
ant that co
hr was ready
able servant.
, had, by this
rZed bt
to
tl
41111raist, hit
soliciting Iris
This reque
Noble Lord;
it iinpassibl
curly with
tire upon
(entlrman,
determikulti4
requested t
Rift witlifluitt
IVith reve4
three-fourth

railed on to
Geistlemon
I,e bad ftron
ttio%e mho.ss
fitly servos
I.y govt, Of
from attendi
therrfore re^
(inn of the w
it was insto
tolely for th

xi be coatessied, that it is
'leen ill the army Ite such
ly to Jain item upon it int-
mateuded, that the duties
were heqoestly so blended
. it extremely desirable to
t the be Board. Where
lety of Colonel Welsh's
they mom to the question
its, his services would be
Iris integrity and disinte.
:nowt' ; and it was uot be-
ith Lord Mulgrave that he
is station. Every thing he
olooal would apply to Cap.
'a heady of whom i• might
ill the sons were brave, and
uus." lie then again ad.
'tied the strange conduct of
; a truism for 11 resolution,
titer ideas then what it up.
e upon the Board of Ad-
ere ea, not the slightest
d by inoviug tlitt' previous
d, that the accounts were
,ell undersiciod ; but it had
thin luippeued. The floe.
explain the most desirable
agreeable to lino to sped'
r in any degree to be pt.,
persons alleged to- be re.
lairman, upon hi. full saki-
vauced age ;—e inure able
re to find; and it was a blu-
r fact, that the person op-
Chairman was his senior in
'h older, but inure illiirltle
had been resioived. Mr,
1\
tory to Lord A !vine, an i
is of business. One of th
been removed; and it Wei
...counts were so complex---
, such should have been the
been removed, we should
resignation. The country
pensions, would expect to
f the removal of such per.
;ointment of othecs. The
inittits were very poor ; he
i consequently seemed very
As to what had been said
upon men in office, if every
deemed an aspersion, there
who had not occasionally
rse who had not been guilty
The motion reeommended
professional experience to
of the Navy; bat the Hes.
iotter to look to the Aresy
d entered into is vindiestioo
earn-.M wes happy. they
e characters, but thee had
professionid abilities. lie
s of the Hon. Gentleman
ig; whet' he wished to intro-
miumge . the alliirs of the
try best suited to the office;
zodnee a lawyer, none so
had be wished to introduce
rut would have been the
here was room for • cons
at-lee, *ben persons, as fib
reinoved, vritireSsi any Y.
a copcluded by declaring
ii the motion of the Hon.
led the Honourable Bart.
supposed to be attributed
ember who spoke last, of
!sent motion from improper
ember had said, there *no
id, which it wan not thought
old ask him did he know
,lus to action as public mo-
ve in the existence of a de-
n rendering a liervii!e to the
vas satisfied was the motive
id in this business. It wee
lotion was intended to ope-
h none such was expressed,
is to be opposed. This he
ion wholly without founds.
aterrupted the Honourable
se of disclaiming all itupu-
Ives in the conduct of the
ird continued by observing.
ate had considered the mo-
cation, though notin terms.
tea open the Victualling
A untie ntlell was iatended,
at the Report itself tar.
:twilling Board, se it stood
'lace, it had bees asserted to
.ruction, and in the conduct
lac it could not pnesibly con-
ition ; and yes if this were
Members of it were punished
3of His note Friend had
a alluded in
_ki,,jLo
ids
totem/ was, lisa.
whatever, it was the COW-
form who made the ells-
; and the !louse wes merely
die conclusions *hick thin.e
was from the facts stated io

r words in explanation.
ma said, he was supposed
uer night, that the former
Victualling Board were so
atcsosary they should be res
mg use of any such words ;
the tomer mode of con-
that department, was found
re the removal of some of
ard, and also to amend the
•y hid proceeded. He ad-
le Ho:mutable Baronet ass
II the warmth expressed by
, (Mr. Ward), ia a Podia-
, and he as glad to And
by confining litreself aseie-
tlie Tenth Report, epee-
and wilt the imeensity of
mitt stated; he ans. how,-
big Baronet Aid not, at the
tr Report., hifrh were oleo

• •.
beam the Hootie.-ate want 'the Eleventh and
Tooth Moporks, as the (cal; was astrirly.confined
to the Victualling board in the turtrumulia. The
Eleventh Report goes to meoluanatemeht at the re- '
riousotitponts, suet was so connected with the far-
mer, that in Order to'come to a jiia conduit:in,
they must isteessarily go together.. If he bad rend
that Report, he would have fontid various initiatives;
of mismanagement; at Ilytuoittli for instance ;
sod that the former system was Ma imperfect. that
an Officer at that port had actually passe.l four
thousand casks inure than he was called to account
for. He would also have found iu the Twelfth
lteport similar instances of mistuanageinritt iu the
accounts of the several fureigu statioiis. Bp
these Report's he would also have perceived.
that appropriate remedies were very distioctly
paint ud out for all those evil,. Of the gene-
-it •iterits of the Iteports themselves, he did not
IP to speak slightly, but yet there were some
••., ,t•.alictimis he enithl nut wholly pass by un-
it. nn ed. They would find it stated in the Eighth
ttepart, that the iss iiiii g of provisions and store, at
the 'squalling-Office; in 180.1, appeared to be
conducted with great regidarity and order; and
yet it appeared, in ouc instauce, there was a surplus
0,4,0:4 to no less au amount than 4000 tons, while
in another instance there was a deficiency to the
:amnia of 3090 tons. It appeared also by the
Tenth Number of the Appendix, there was the *ante
variation in several article* of prevision, to a very
considerable degree, as in the article of bread. In
that of ruin there wee a surplus. while in that of
brandy there was it deficiency ; and this was sup-
paved to have t/VCllo,etrioaorl by the tinning of the
%slier. through mistake, for the former. This was
c••riainly u very curious sneeitnen of the regularity
h“istril of in the Reohrt In the article of pork
bl.eaise, there had been found a deficiency in the
naunil pieces, sad • surplus in ; six-pound
pieces ; nod vet of thu irregularity the Commis.
@Whirrs had tea 'thought tit to make any coin-
plar *Lae they believed, accordingtutheir statement,
that I the mistake was occmioned by the issuing
et four-noniid fur six-puao,d pieces; now he would
ask, ilia ever any one hear 01 such excuses attior-
-1.. :allele of floor tin , also a deli-
:ry of no lass thao 76$ VOUtIIIII, And this mis-
take was said to have beers occasioned through the
hurry caused by the pres.nre of business ; this was
certainly • very carious way of euchring such an
error. Thu Report likewise contained a long his-
tory on the subject of the casks, some of which
had bean foulard at a neighbouring brewer's ; and
3.4, although a prosscohno bud been commenced,
loit which had failed, no iiivestig•ttian what-
' ever into the besiness had ever taken place.
The true rause a the irregularity, however, as he
hod found upon inquire, was owing to the mode of
charging a certain quantity of tontsege by the nets-
bee of staves, hut which had proved errenemsa, as
the some number had been found in some instances
to produce a surplus, end in others a deficiency
in the amount of the tonnage. In order to skew
the titter impossibility of the pr.sent Victualling
Board, in tunes of such pressure of business as the
present, to do every thing that might he expected
frmn them. at *act, hi rend a letter from the Vic-
tootling Booed 'to the Commissioners, in mower to
one from them, and which was written about a
month after the Hsu. Bernuet had gone eat of of-
ice, stating, that none of the au-ports of the gout-
missionrre haullkin transmitted to them officially,
nor had any requisition whatever been made to
them, to act en inch Reports. This soffioently
sheaved the Commissioners bad net themselves
done all that haul been required or expected from
/lotto by the country ; and therefore some allow-
ance should be made for the Victualling Board, if
at this time every thing was nor dose which might
be expected, when it was considered the great press
of public business that existed.-1V oh respect to the
resigincions spoken of by the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman, he must premise be was sot
st all personally acquainted with them; but when
1).1 looked to the then state of the Victualling
Board, he did certainly think there could no effec-
tual reform take place, without the removal of
Some at least of the Members from their situations.
Titus was saficiontle proved by the circumstance.
stated in the Tenth Ileport. of the arrears aroottal-
nig to no lees than eleven millions and a half. and '
which was owing to the accounts of twenty-five
rears standing not having .heen looked into by
the Victualling Board. The cmifnaimi arising
from this was such as to make it kite to hope for
reformation by any other means than removal.—
The flononra4le Baronet, in his statement, had
eritainly avoided alluding to any individuals in
particular; and yet the Honourable and Learned
Ilerstlenson had made his attack by entering into a
defence of those who had been removed ; but
upon this occasion his information had not been
so correct es it might have been, and he would
set him right is some particulars. —He had
stated that Me. Moldy was the best account-
ant that could be found. Of that Gentleman
hr was reedy to admit, that the public had no more
sido servant, but like all other servants, his powers
had, lay this time, suffered a physical decline. This
appeared by his (two statemeo, in a lettor•ed-
dressed to 'Lord Mulgrave, looting hi, public ser.
vices-since the year toao ; that after a service of
49 years, hie sight and health were impaired, and
soliciting his superannuation upon his full salary.
This request he had hilorelf hacked with the
Noble Lord; hut who, to his very great regret, found
it impossible upon inquiry to +secede to it. consist-
ently with the regular practice, which was, to re-
tire upon three-fourths of the salary. That
flentlrman, however, upon miderstanaing thus
determination. had, in a sutosequelit letter.
requested to withdraw his resignation. It was.
notwithstanding. found necessary iv remove hint.
With respect to Mr. March, be had retied
throe-fourths of his salary. Ile had himself been
called on to make itopones into the powers of this
Gentleman to e'er-toe the duties of hi,. ,sffice, and
he bid found him to be a Gentleman of moot
etc-
celleut character, but not capable of executing
those reform, whirls were ronsnler,ll sa indiven-
tuntay necemory. Mr Budge, in like manner. was.
I'y Kant. or snroe such j!-ClipnritAtt4l
from attending to the duties of hie office, a. 41 was
therefore removed. Ilc vow cam.- i the considera-
tion of the successors of those Gent:. n .1, of whom
it was insioutited, as if the renal/v., were node
solely for the purpose of making room toy twat.

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gat trim' Viliatd star, ' •t
the bead et. the Admiralty. linwirni vivi ttly "17
r:rageapb in the Report ioniser cousiderrti on,
, at:tn.:lly called z r iris naval adrir.n, for the
express uorpoie of reeorain2adisig thewattest per-
-11001 to lilt those stations, and they hail done so ate-
c•rdissitly, uuder the very terms of the Report.--e
Two of theta, Mews. Browne and Hokin, who
had been nursers, his Lordship had nett, seen be-
fore their apposatinent. As to Colonel Welsh.
who, tiy the bye,Seas no more a Colonel than be
was, au 1 Capt. Stotirt, wlio, likewise. was no
Captain. they bed been appointed long before the
Report had been made. Ott the subject of extrava-
gance, as charged upon Administration, they were
so far from hating guilty of it iii the formation of
the Board, that whereas it had been recommended

to constitute the Victualling 'Soar(' of three Com-
mittees, tor the conducing the business, yet it had
been resolved, for the purpose of saving, it possible,
the axpensei, to try if two might not be found
adequate, and accordingly two only were iippowt-
ed. These appointments took place in December
last. The old iirrear had amounted to upwards of
11,009,000, and a million and a half had accumu-
lated siw•e the Trbith Report; notwithstanding
which, no accumulation whatever h:id been suffer-
ed since the appoiatinuat, and in addition, no lea.
n snot than 6,900,0001. had been investigated and
settled since the new appointineut. Tins at least
was a proof of the manner in which the business
was transacted under the present onler of 1 hings.—
Under all these circumstances, he should vote for

the previnus question.
Mr. Wiener ast declared lie had formed his
opinion on the subject now under discussion, only
by what be had heard since he came into the House,
a great portion of which, however, he considered
as wholly irrelevant. as he considered the attack on
the worthy Bar.: wt olio had made the motion. as
well asthat on the Commissioners of Naval Revision,
as having nothing whatever to do with the merits of
the question. The simple point, as lie coaceived,
b-fore tite:a, was, boa fir it was 11,CPSSiry to rt,
move.certein Commis,ioners from the Victualling
Beard. and with what propriety their place's had
hem sapplied ? And this could only be decided
by an examination into their Writ' respective-
ly. Now from any thing he had heard, the :a-
rm' complained of in the time of the former
Cnnunissioners, might as well be owing to tiv!
great increepe of husinese in that office ; as ho
from experience knew it to be the ciao! in the
Wur Office. How then would they brine about
the reform sonzlit after ? Not by a iiiia•ii.ce of
syetein, hot merely that of pereons! A very eon-
eise mode this, and certainly no less agrees. .!e
to those who were practising it, sad Ito less ready
in the provice. Then comm an examination in
detail, and as it were nomination of the persons
who had been put out, and of those who were
appointed in their places. Now it happened, that
r.f *ll of them he knew only Mr. March; when
therefore he heard what was said, he could not
i but think it soinewhet sospicinus, because at the
time he knew him. he certainly was, physically
speaking, fully competent to the duties of his
office, and bud the character of being a very well
informed and intelligent roam ; but these were
questions in which the Home was perfectly help-
lase, and left to decide swell on the opinions
which might be stated mi the sue yids or Ow
other. In Mcxely's case, he was stated to have
expressed a wish to resign, from infirmity; and in
that of Budge, his resignation was imputed to gout.
If these cases were made nut to their eatisfactioie
there was an end to that part of the case • then
came that of their aeccessors. If age were consider-
ed as a ground for removal, he would wish to
know how Captain Towrey was retained ? The
Honourable Centleman had reproached the
worthy Baronet for the negligence with which the
former Board of Admiralty had conducted them-
selves ; but surely he at the same time funnelled
an excuse, in the pressure of bossiness, tepee which
he had dwelt. As to those minute inquiries. of
whether it was brandy instead of ruin, whether 48
casks. instead of another number, Ise thought there
were points of infinitely More consequence to the
pahlic, that might be necessarily neglected in the
pursuit of such minute detail. ; upon such business
as the fitting out of expeditions and fiesta, that
great extent of rigour was productive of the worst
consequences. Ile did not think that they should
be detained by the slow proceediwes of office to
wait for such voucher', as' might be customary.
Upon the whole. he concluded, that the proposi-
tion of the Worthy Baronet eught to be adopted
lay the House, and therefore it should have his
vote.
Mr. PZIICEVAL said, that he did not mean to
trespass long upon the patience of the House, but
a tie remarks he thought necessary upon the pre-
sent occasion. The Right lion. Gentlemen op-•
posite appeared to him to have mistaken the field,
and eviueed an igniousice of the whole staltratitra
upon which the Victualling Board rested. He hail
come down to the House in the middle of the de-
bate, which accounted for the unprepared] manner
'n which he aleteureil to have met the question.—
The worthy &newt had made a proposition which
implied that soinethieg hail been done improperly
by the Board of 'Admiral') , and it was only upon
that ground, and from a convierinn that such
a reflection was not deserved, that he opposed the
prepositioe. The Honourable Gentleman seemed to
think that the presort Board of Admiralty was
acting upon a system introduced by them, in con-
sequence of the former Board, but nothing could
be further from the fact. The Coal iniseioners of
Naval Revision did think that there %111 something
• incorrect in the system of the Victualling Board,
which they proposed to remedy by dividing it into
three Committees. These three emurnittees would
require three Commissioners; but it was resolved
by the Admiralty to try all experiment less bur-
densome to the'pliblii , and forbear the appoint-
ment of fhe three new Conioniseionees--for mettle
upon sneh a *yawn, they were entitled to praise.
To a Hoard so constituted, it lierartie ueeemeiry
:hat two officers, experienced in the Navy.
'should he attache., : that they might he attached
without itierewaog the expense to the public,
it was necessary that two should be removed
to make way for them ; and then the question
was, whom it would be orlyieable to ninon. ?
Mr. Birch, the Cheirmen, had been a long while
. preventeel from discharging his duty iu consecinence

of Ms in& reifies; 'anti 4411111 .
t e•midefed dot •
Chairman, ematitensid kr*oo, the old oriels,
was not the peismigssist its carry a sew wae
iuto effect, a new mies dm very saaptlon it winch
might he censitleied es' in some degree ref ectiag
upon himself, they would see the propriety of thet
rem oval; the other geatleusen was also far adenines
ed in years. They were not removed measly is
make way for DOW appointments, bat Weans*
the appaiuitnient of two was aecomary for the
reason already stated, and they were removed.
to make the vacancies necessary to admit
The Honourable Gentleman had, gene on for
aurae tune, cnolly and calmly talkie% against AD
Arrangement which he did not seem to wider-
stand. When Gentlemen did come forward with
imputatioasagaiust individuals, or bodies of is
they ought to consider, before they made their
cliergw;—the fact was, that Mr. Moody had
himself made application to be discharged. upon
the ground of old age and infirmity. When Gen-
t!, men were not fully informed upon the.subject,
they should come forward with the language, not
of charge, but of inquiry. The Hon. Bareiset had
not insinuated la the debate any thing as to the de-
merit of particular persons, but he wished the
House to adopt a geueral proiscwition, which, if
nothing had been done in the Admiralty, might be
necessary, but which, if they had done their duty,
was r st:grna that should not be tossed apes. them.
There was, in his oeiniun, run eccasion for asserting
it at the ()resew moment.
Mr. WHIT/MAD said, that lie differed from the
Right Hou. Gentleman& °midis, on away :patine.
and in whatever way the worthy flirt. might have
introduced his tnotiou, the Hon. Gentleman who
followed him had treated it in a manner, he might
almost saw, iinparlipmentary ; for his speech was
not a reply to the speech of the worthy Baronet.
hut to some speech supposed to have been made
by him upon a former occasion ; if he disapproved
of the public conduct, he did not think it fair
to conclude that he was guilty of wipers
towards an iudividold. lie decliiird °tiering
any opinion upon the conduct of the present Admi-
ralty ; he had only their own word for their
merit. His lion. Friend had proposed a Resolu-
tion, in winch he entirely concurred; he (Mr. %V.)
had been for two years of his life engaged in an
inquiry into public abuse,. and hr could pro-
nounce that they were many, and difficult to he
removed. The Hon. Gentleman had asked—Why
did die Commissioners of Naval Revision, being
Aleurarrs of Parliament, why did they not
r. form the abuses they had detected ? But then
the Honourable Geittlenisn had assumesl what
was not the case; for there was but one Nleinber of
Parliament, who was his lion. Friend, attached to
that Committee; and it was a misfortune that their
suggestions were not acted on. The lion. Gentle-
man himself had :Omitted, that the Victualling
Board was found to he so vicious, that it Wes al-
most a question with them whether it should be
broken up or lint. Pere the lion. Alember signified
his dement from the statement.) He se understood
bin, and was sorry if he had wiscouceired. It had
' been said, that those who were dismissed were too
ill, and too old, &c. He wished to know what were
the et esteraslP The Commissioners of'Naval Re-
vision had said, Oast improper persons were em-
ployed, and it was asked why did net his Honour-
Able F.i isd, thewhole time he was in olio, amend
what was wrong? It should he considered how
long he really was in office, before that question was
put, and it would be es,y to account for it upon
the shortness of the tt. Ile could not agree with
his Rt. lion. Fri, hair iu L. i epiuion of the
accuracy that he ..:cousitod se trivial ; he slid not
see what the •••• as to prevent the accounts of Go-
vernment feint being ke as accurately as the ac-
counts of merchants. The Hon. Gentleman op-
posite appeared to him not to have acted rightly
when be made a speech, to which he also made an
anuses. and notwithstanding all that bad been
urged, he would beg leave to say, that it was fully
competent to his Honourable Friend to object to
any appointment, sin matter how nearly allied the
object of that appointineut to ugly Member of the
House. He did not know whether it was the its.
tention to follow up the Resolution by any limber-
quent proceeding; but whether or not, he thought
that if the House give that Resolution the g y,
it would do away all the advantage which the
Committee was intended and calculated to pro-
duce, and the Government might go on appointing
pervous to situations upon the same system be.
fore ; that is, only with a view to their Watered.—
For these rearms, he would support the motion of
his Honourable Friend.
Mr. PeTeR MOODS said, that when the Gentle-
men opposite were so ready to enter into defence,
it implied something like a consciousness that de-
fence was necessary to their conduct; and when
his Ibis. Friend was attacked, it should be remem-
bered, that he was one of those who hid proposed
reforms. which, had they been acted upon, would
have been productive of udembige to the country,
and which would have been acted upon. but for the
circumstance of his being tunwd out. The Hon.
Gentlemen opposite hail themselves acknowledged,
that great shave existed, and he was ready to give
them his support, or any body else, who would de-
termine to bring forward abuses. With respect to
Colonel Welsh and Mr. March, he had known
them for a long while, end he did not think they
were incapacitated from age, or soy other canter
he thought that Mr. March had not bemillainfis
'timely treated, his case was not like tbs. sr 1(r.
Moody, who requested lessee to retire. Ittpett*,
in those days, found their way upon the shelves
of the House like so lunch waste paper; he be-
lievcd, before God, that if the Reports of that
Cousluittee had been adopted in tine. the nation
would hare been saved itahoon,oool.
Mr. Psacevat. expkine.l.
Admiral MAIIIIMADI agreed in the proposition of
his Hon. Friend, which he thought should he in-
serted upon the Journals.
Sir (7111.4aLSS POLO said, that he had DO ether
object in proposing that measure, then the public
service, he had aimed it at no intlividnal ; he did
not wish to cult the slightest censure upon any
otrs, brit thought that that was a proper measure
by which the House might shew the country its
intention of acting upon the reformatioes propoesd.
He thought be we. right it) his object. However, if
the Halter were inclined to r.egatise it. he would
spot purli i‘ to the mac.

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The Peri,.belie abl
rented without e
Leal CA stiiiitsmii heettlillg ist
state of dwarf.), itet weed In PO
was Offigridle 11111 the table mei
Mr. Foetus proposed a bill ter tI
went and grieirth of Ilaz-led is Ives
reeds first time, and metered to be n
time to-morrow.
The Irish Drawback Sugar ain
ant time, awl ordered for a secoes
morrow.
The Irish Corn Import MA Export
a lea' time sad ordered for it strop(
11110frerr.
Os the motion ejil-r. Refits leave
its a bill be permit the registet
of ships taken as prises.
On the motion of Mr. IVELLS.SLI
?feral OMeers' Widows' Bill was
time, and ordered to be printed, as
,epau Thursday next.
IRISH MALT SPIRMI DUTY
Mr. Fonts moved the Order of
• Committee on the Irish Malt Spiri
for the purpose of postpouing the
natil Thursday next, the House be
thin. and especially of Irish Member
Sir Jons Naeiroar said, that he
ender the necessity of opposing the
before them. The reason advanced
Hon. Gentleman, namely, that so fe
tiers were present, did not exist, he
his eyelet that mnsierit. Ample not
given that the motion was to come
House was then as fall or faller than
when the Irish-business was brought
The Right Hon. Gentleman genera
tleit it sh.nild be ton early or too lei
benefit Dia full Bootie, end a debt
gation. The present certainly was
titled to the fullest discussion, the m'
sidered the more ruinous did it appe.i
perky and tranquillity of the whole u
He rose at that moment, not for t
uljecting to the adjournment. but
assigned, and worthd move g. that 100
day they should, adjourn to that day
If the measure proposed by the Rt.
10411 wan our that could he mend
progress through the Committee it w,
of soy improvement, he would not
that stage to oppose it ; but as it
upon a principle radicilly wrong. tl
the Malt 'lns, as it was not, capabli
any amendment, he chose OW stag
objections. hemmer it war the brat.
he could 'fie's: the -House that i
sible it could produce any.
.tereoue
point he would go, not to sperentition
(Here the Hoe our.sble lEseronat weal
comparison of the produce of the I
several year. back, horn Which it ptai
that, from the year 110, the additi
produced comparatively teething; fi
drew the inference that, the Matt D.
at its acme of taxatiori„, and that er
only evinced thislallemof soy seam
crease.) The obvious met of the ebb
by the Right Holsoumble Geutlemai
produce au increase of the illicit peas
in that eirentry. and-repreetetriftv
Geutleman himself as beyond the poi
meat to remedy ; with that impres
miud, he had come forward with
fuel to the flame, and by augment
um. promote tbe extent of offence. T
Gentleman might to hare takes a les
fora .r augmentations ; he had pro;
House, and succeeded in his eodeavoi
for iucreasing the duty on Port W
increase in words led to an actual
the revenue. The Right Hon. Gel
to have Icarus! before now, from hi
euce, that in boanciul arithmetic,
do not always make four; that vs
do not even make one. Ili order ti
ture of that manure plain to the
necessary to reduce the messes
to the measure of England, wl
appear, than the perimmein malt
lied was greater than iii Great Bri
ing to the Report of
.the Coruinii
query, it appeared, that not oue-ha
ed that ought to here been collect
laud he knew that it was the wish
had heard a persou high in office des
the state of the country would admit
tax that should be reduced was tl
Haviug sant thus much to prove, tin
of revenue it would nut be p
would next proceed to shew. thit •
productive in that respect to a swab
could be looked for, there was sti
count, upon which it should be (I
effects upon the public peace. It I
stated in that House, as a desirable
quillise Ireland, and if ever there vrl
snore calculated than tarnisher to pr
sirable object, it was this nieasure, wl
the people heck agora from beer toth
exposed the in to all the consequence'
If men get intoxiested upon beer, tt
off the effects, but spirits set the
would not go to water. He hops
Honourable Gentleman would not
them to that alternative ; they woul
selves to spirits, end it wand coot
little increase of revenue to support
adequate to restrain their violence.
of Govenirnent to encourage bre,
country. It lied been said, that
Sugar Spirits was too high last year
it proposed to he remedied ? By gi
encouragement to the illicit traders,
ing their competition with the fair
approved. and would vote against,
incapable of affordnig any inertai
mid, even if it *ere, he would ohject
score of impolicy and injustice, for
the itainitil Oily of ireiatiel.
Mr. lowan *aid, the Right Hos
statedoishisrteson for moving the ai
the mesons would he the destroctri
en's. He did sot understand his
he hoped the Hen. Burnett would
and understand it. He was not
ing letters to the House, bat in ilea

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thought it a duty itterittibent on him to read one
be had received he& thlt moet etuirienttM er in
Drain n. The 'substance of which was SSA
" That he had received teletter from Mr. Fos fir; re.
Wive to the ititeimeddisty to be laid on malt. Thit
• 'he had lost uneime in eiOliaig a meeting of the Most
respectable biewees, awl they had, without a dis-
senting voice, agreed that the additional tax would
be •moist btotetirial."• He then said, that the
dote oil malt was tint raised, as stated by the Bight
Hon. Baronet, to three shillings in oue year. but
it progressed to that in a series of years. It was
a couvineing proof, that the imeretiee of duty
had nut injured the breweries, tar since it had
risen to eighteen shillings a barrel, the importation
of malt [Mu a. front England bed derireased; and
daring the test four years the' importation of hops
into Ireland exceeded that of iii', other period. He
' flatten fel that this proved, that Although deities had
• been Mel on malt, the be eweriee acre not hattrad,
but had ineretesed. He asked, was there ever any
thing so preposterous us the suggestion of the Hem.
Lavueet, that the. brewers would exact two-innee
a quart is addition to the present price, when
his proposition scent only to exact three shit-
bergs and sixpence additional daty on each barrel,
which would not amount to a helfpenny a quart?
And he was informed lay the breivers, they would
not attempt to raise it more; and that it lied been
in Their contemplation to make that rise if the
duty had not beers inereased; in which cue, the
State would aot have received any heuefit. II the.
Right Hon. Baronet opposed it tinder powder
ideas. he assured him he was mistaken. as he was
confident there was not a yerson in the:countty
would amok him, fur his Interference. Ile Con-
cluded by observing, that his telly reason for e Isis-
iiig it to be postponed to Thursday wee, that it.
might have au opportunity of Mite.; more amply
discussed; and the motives of the !tight Ili-miser-
able Baronet were, that it should not lie discussed
this Session.
Mr. MARRYATT was of epiiii en, that the amend-
ment would only °Woe the Chancellor of lexche-
goer for Ireland to bang in a stew Bill. At the
same time he thought there were not sufficient
reasons stated for the postaintemeat of the com-
mittal.
Mr. PARNELL approved of the smetidment, and
said he was of opiuuo, it we, unwise to increase
the duty on malt, Ile then enterid into an ex-
planation of the del...rim ditties levied on the re-
spective proofs of spirits ; and contended, that that
levieil on aver-proof saints bore oateressively on
the distiller.
Mr. FOSTER and Mr. PAIIVORLI. explained.
Mr. Wiatatie Suirn said, .his ohjectioa to the
istmisure being. pecipitateil through the House
was, that a C.ominittee of Veri,t House bad been
appointed "to inve raga. wfmt regulations were
necessary to he male, as l'a he importation and
exportatien of spirits hetween Engaged and Ire-
tet,l, stool they had not vet made their report.
Mr. BARRA!' said, I,e was of opinion they ought
to go into Committee, or to give up the measure
altogether, and then to matte some reetaaama as
to the ditties ass spirits. it had beau the practice
of Mr. Pitt, and all other able statesmen, when
any article was an over taxed ass to groan under its
weight, to reelece it to the lowest point, stud give
it ass opportunity of mean ant:dining. Ile cons
eluded by stating, that lee did not kieliere the
present duty on milt was ealieeted to the extcut
of one-half, and if the preseut measure was sailed
lute execution, it would be more meided.
Mr. I.esate Foster' sop ported the motion of his
Right Honourable Relative, upon the groitaile
that the tubjest was worthy of mote discussion,
and but very few of the Iris's Getitletnea irtmni,
while there were many of those connoted with the
Went Wits. Ile put it Us thw caodotir and jus-
tice of those who opposed the measure, if it %mild
not be better to meet the question with fair Jib-
emotion upon the day proposed, rather than at-
tempt thus to get rid of the sulijectealtogealme?
Mr. lleaneu explaieed.
The. CRAMeneLOR of the EXESIRQUER bail,. it
was needless to enter into the meats of the grgu-.
menu that (tad been userhat the questioni% as merely
relative to Lisa propriety of odour ..... cot. The
unfortunate eombioation of the duties upon malt,
and those upon spirits, was the cause of this Bill
being introduced, and it was surely unfair es the
Right Hon. Baronet, and 'those oho sullies tell
him iu his amenditteett, thus to eat:rapt taking
t se matter out of his Right Hose Frieted's bands.
It Wall nrither usu:il nor parliamentary to pretls
tastier fnrsari at a tinsu not suitable to the wishes
vial views of the nrigitual mover. This matter bad
Lech already frequeotly postponed, On uceount of
the pressure amber leusieess, and now the torw.ef:4l-
- of the night had en-mached so far upon their
time, that it was ateiaglit advisable to postpoue
it to Thuratho.. This was reittlered.net!esiwiy too
front the *brine:. of Members co:met:tea with the
subject. It was quite irregular to propose Clueing
out one Bill for the purpose of briegiu; in two
best the meet regular mode would be, to let the
BiU go_into a einnaitiVe..ailid.then.proPitse Mt he-
iug divided, if thought proper, mid there was even
tin pactiad object:ou to staiktica off the whose of
the ditty on 'oak. It had beers deemed meessary
t 6 ley an ailditinnal duty upon malt, bet at the
same time to put a propo:tiotall one upou vials, so
us to posluce an equality of these duties, leaving out
;hie.. which related to spirit. distilled frOSO sugar;
and the moat proper mode of dung this hiati•beett
tlieught to be by including the ehele itt one Lill.
Now he believed, that iso,ohe person in the Milos
was prepared to suggest a iliptia• that would better
suit the object in view ; so that if they went into a
Committee that night, they would be all deep-
poicted. He should therefore recommend, that the
Lill should be allowed to proceed to Its present
stage up ou the day states'.
Mr. HISBERT ruse for the purpose or asking the
Speaker, if it were.consouant to the custonr of the
!Pease, to exclude:6=lmnd' a Bill the malt duty
entirely? or to divide it into two, the Sugar Dill,
and the Malt Deity Bill?
The &PLASM& observed, that if the Bill were
leoirstretted, it might thee lie subjected to any
anmodusent; for tether the whole or any part of
it might be leit out. If it were to be put off
for six months, at would amount to setting
it elide altogether; the rule Min, that the same
'ursine. question, oriall, should mot be agitated
twice in any Soutoa of riarlianseue, Should YU.

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other Rill he afterwanis,prorsed, it would be fey
JIM 'noise to decide whether it was sulartinithilly
the same with that now wider discussion, so as not
to he dixcordant in their proceedimo.
Colonel Ilirrcilursom was willing to agree with
the Chancellor of the Exchequer of Erie-and, that
it was neither amid nor decorous to force a Mem-
ber to bring on the discussion of a subject he wished
to postpone, and with that view he would vote with
the Right Hon. Mover, and not with the Rt. Hon.
Baronet who had proposed the amendment; but
when he eunsidered the increased taxes upon malt,
rital to the promerity of Ireland, it would only be
postponing the fate of the measure for a few days,
for nothing could, in his opinion, make it palata-
ble. Even although the brewers of Dublin did
not think the ariditisinal tax objeethinable, their
concurrence in it would not tend to do away his
objections to it. He knew that there were also
some brewers in Dublin who would not agree to it ;
and what be had to lament WAS, that (I IICA.IOIIO of
taxation are brolight forward with so little notice,
that Members of great towns had no opportunity
of consahing with the trade. This malt tax was
evidentfi so oppressive, that it would enable the
illicit trailer to drive the legal one entirely out of
business. He considered the encouragement of
the brewers as what ought to he the first object of
&very statesinsn. Upon these grounds he should
vote with the Itie,lat Huuuurable Baronet.
'Mr. ei,TTAN said, his intention was to vote for
(he ulterior postponement ; not because he disap-
proved of the Bill, as to the regulation of distilla-
tion, but Isecailae he disapproved of that part of it
which went to impose a duty of At) per cent. upon
malt. He was far from asserting that such a duty
would injure the brewer ; but be was afraid it
would have that effect; and be considered the
'breweries of Ireland to he of snch vital itioportstive
to that conutry, that he should he afrnitl to hairard
the experiment, on uccuulit of its apparent dan-
ger. He had nut received any sort of minartioi-
cation front those of the trade in Dublin ; but he
would acknowledge, had they communiented to
him their acquiescence in it, he should have voted
for that tax. It was surely perfectly right to keep
that proportion between the tax on spirits, and
ou the brewing trade, as to give the latter the su-
periority. Si, far he sg•reed with the Bill; but as
to increasing the Malt Tax, he could not consent
to it.

Mr. Alderman Cotton approved of the Amend.
meat, as he thort.:lit the tax oumult would certain-
ly prove injurious to the brewers.
Mr. Huse isiax thought it surprising that any
Gilt. should be itichned to vote with the Right
Roo. Baronet, after what had fallen from the
Speaker, it bring perfectly competent to any one
afterwards to move in the Committee for expung-
ing every thing that related to the duty upon malt,
and leave the Bill merely to equalize the duties
upon spirits. Those who objected to the measure
at present, would more speedily attain their object
by letting the Bill •sto in:o a Committee. as there
would be no difficulty in rettiorhig the objection-
able clauses, a hich Ft enie4l to lie those relating, to
the duties upon malt. It aAs ,ertainiy necessary
to equalize the duties upon spirits made Irma sugar
with-that made from gram, en: duty upon auger,
as it existed at pre4ut, being most unsatisfactory
to Ireland.
Mr. Vo,:ert spoke to a point of order. He
thought this Bill was not like the ordinary sort of
Bills introduced upon any given .siihjes t. hut it
was a Bill introduced upon the Result:l64ns of a
Committ;.e of Ways and Means. If, therefore, this
Bill were rejected. he 'int it to the lions-, yhether
it would lie practicable t t brine in another Bill
upon the Resolutions of a Committee of WAys and
:Means, oitliont having again the Resolutions of
another Committee of a similar nature
The Haase being inipati,nt for the question,
they trvided upon the Amendment of Sir .John
!Newport, postponing the lid: for six months. The
numbers Iktrt
Fur the A initudnien t 43
Against it
Majority agaiutt Ministers -.13
Wheo strangers were excluded, the other orders
of the day were disposed of, and the House ad-
journed at HALF FAST TWELVEO.CLOCIC.
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The following is the sentence of the Court Mar-
tial. lately held at Chatham, upon the Honour-
-able Captain Dundas, of the Enryalus :
The Court is of opinion, that the puo;sliments ordered by
Captnia INIOJAS have not been inflicted with cruelty or
severity, that the people have not been ipipremeily kept
aloft Jay Captain Iln.iitsm's orders. without their hats and
jackets, arid that arisen ceutiwels have lint been kept on
guard overtire people, as set forth in the Petition wide, reed
to the Lords t'inninistionc." of the Admiralty. But the
Coact is of nroion, that the conduet of Ce plain D 111142/ is
highly censurable in stirkini: ti'illiatoStepheasort, althou4h
it appears to them it slid nut originate in a shopasitisat to
comity or upp.ession, but fro.n the ieritetion of the mo-
ment, occasioned by Wiil,4ua Slr pbensult's condom. And
whereas the case of Rkli.s.J Cii•ondor has hero brought for-
weed upon this trial , the Court slues think it right to es-
press its clechled.opinion, that his swath was nut oceasioned
• lar his bring kept. aloft to Antis; sins, but it was is come-
(moire of an asthmatic complaint us very lung stood's* ,
and likewise that an reresentation was ever made fa Cap.
lain Dumas, by the said Richest! Coombe, or auy Other per-
so t, that he lids unerimil to the duty of guidg aloft. And
the Count do* fortherbetim, with very great regret, that
&Rhona the several witnesses who have been tstaasieed,
lsie•set faith various cases of supposed grieraisco on the
part or themselves and the ship's company of the Carrillo,
thee have not, at any tin*, * any one itistaoce, mule the
smiths, repreeentetion to Captain timid* on the sahj rt.
'file Conn, therefore, t...king into its consideration the
what, 41111thltK circumstances' does smanonosisly acquit the
floussorahle Captata Luudas of every thae‘e exhibited
ii,,atost him, exeept that of Waring "truck William !kerma-
sun with a oppetase, fir whieb the Court adjudge hiss to
be highly mowed, sod admonished to be more circum-
spect on slab eacasiuut :'Or the future; sad Captain Lau-
dos is hereby se eneverwi ateradnigly.
Clio's the above atiiteuee, we must observe, that
the Court lltirtial was demanded by . Capt. Dun-
dos. Finding that representations hod been made
to Isis difailettistu4e, he lost not a moment to bring
liss Character before the public. The Admiralty,
while it granted his request, regretted that it could
'not be refused.
Benjamin West, the n 1441 who we stated was in
custody on suspicion of being en 'Lisp rebel,
and haviii;; usurtler in Ireland,
was bronght from prison, and liberated, upon his
own recogniusnee of 1001. to appear at the neat
*seises for the county of %Vett:two:

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tliS Ast Kt* • ov Kr
lieret.vitt Natio*, as Fridey, gives is Me Paper yolterday,
the 'Muss of •Mr Benj. Waist* ssd Kr. K. Wintsoby,
sere sreideutally omitted.

THE BRITISH PRESS.

• LON DON,
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22.
A Paris paper of the lith anuounces the death of
the gallant General PALAPDX. at Saragossa.
The report report of the loss of the Lively frigate
we'understand is without foundation.
The Papers laid before the 'louse of Commons re-
lating to the Expeditions to Spain and Portugal have
been printed.—They occupy 95 folio pages,•cnibrac-
ing 109 official ktters, ill of which, except 13, are
from Lord CASTLIEREAGII. These papers are
" Copies of, or Extracts from, the In-
structioas to the Commander., or other Officers,
.of llis M•szstat's Forces to Spain and Por-
tugal, rn the year 1808 ; together with such
,Cominunications as have beet received from the
said Commander,, or other Officers, relating to the
execution of the said INSTRUCTIONS, so far as the
saute igey not be attended with public inconveni-
ence." It appears from these papers that Ministers
considered Spain us full of enthusiasm, and its in-
habitants ready to eo.operate jealously with our
,treops, and supply them with provisions, and every
thin;; the country uffords, and that they, wished Sir
Joni Meow to piocecil to the point to which he
did ',mere'', calculatiug that he would have a Bri-
tish force of at least 40,000 men, and that BLAKE'S
and RONIANA'S would amount to 60,000, making
to an efficient and solid army of 100,000
twat. The option certainly was given to Sir Jowl
MOORE to Proceed to destioation by haul or
by water, aril it appears from these papers that
lie chose the former course. But mark the
result : lu page RB, No. 102, Lord CASTLEREAGH
admits that Sir JOHN Mootte, who had marched
into the North East of Spain, relying upon so
great a force, states his whole army at "only
28,000 men ;" that from 7to 8,000 cavalry
would be necessary to enable him to. do much,"
and that " certain comideratious precluded him
from forming* any sanguine expectation with re-
spect to the issue of the contest." Under these
civiumatanees, Sir JOHN Mooac commenced his I
retreat to Coruna ; and Lord CASTLEREAGH, in
his letter No. 103, page 91, boasts " that the
great advantages which Sir JOHN Mooaa pro-
ptilitsl in thus hazarding His MAJESTY'S army
against a superior force, and in drawing apnea
them the greater part of the French armies,
was to Wino" time for the Spanish anti Portuguese
nations to make efforts for their own defenee."—
Urprin the sweatinesa of this reasoning it is altnost
idle to observe. It was not neerssar to ha-
rm' twenty-eight tliciusaucl British troops in
the centre of Span for any such purionee.—
Tive whole of Portugal, and three fourths of Spain,
have even now " time to make efforts for their
own riefeuee," if they think proper. We have not
time nor room for even ow analysis of tl.e MHO of
intelligence in these papers. We shall only ob-
serve, that in a twins. of lua letters, purporting to
In a correspotalc.,ce with the. Commanders in
Spaiit and Portugal, there is not our letter, or an
extract of a letter, from either Sir DAVID RAIRD
or •Sir dons Nlooas, the two principal Com.
mini leis ; of whom one advanced from Corunna,
and the other through Portugal.

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His MAJESTY is expected in town, this day, to
hold a Court at the QuEsses Rnee.
Dutch Papers. MS well as pris•ate letters from
Holland, annoulice the capture of His Majesty's
frigate Prolespine, in the Mediterranean, by two
French frigates, La Penelope and La Pa/inure ;
from 'Toulon. From the French official accounts,
it appears that the Pruserpnie had been very auda-
cious. frequently standing so close to the: shore am
to look into the port of Toulon. This provoked •
the French Admiral, who sent out Tr:Unit her the
' two übove-inentioned fil4ntes. Once she escaped
by flight, hut on LI ICI:01111 occasion her pursuers
eaine up with her about half-past four o'clock in
the morning. An engagenjent ensued, which was
fought close alongside for three quarters of an
•hour ; at length the Proserpine •struck to her two
opponents. The enemy states the Proserpine to
have had 11 men killed, and 15 wounded, awl that
• both the French frigates came out of the action,
without the loss of a 11.11111 killed or wounded.
Accounts have been received of the Spaniards
lin.:roz forced the French to evacuate Vigo.* The
seirit of resistance, it is said, has revived in the
North of Spain. And we understand that an im-
mediate embarkation of cavalry has bees. ordered
by our government. The 16th Dragoons are un-
der orders her foreign service.
Yesterday, Sir DAVID DUNPAII transacted busi-
ness at the COMMANDER-1 Y-('uteri (MIT.
Capt. HOPE, it is expected; will leave his house,
in the Admiralty, in about ten days, for Scotland.
It is not yet settled. we understand. who is to suc-
ceed him as a Lord of the Admiralty.
Colonel Goa Don, it is expected, will resign his
place, as Secretary to the COIMANDER•sh-CIIIRIP,
in a few days. •
The KIMI has been pleased to order a Lettcr to
he directed to the Chapter of the Cathedral
Church of Hereford, recommending itisto them
the Reverend GEORGt; GiLLTTOW, Doctor in Di.
windy, to be Climate, into the place of Dean of
the sci.l Cathedral Church, the same being void
by the death of the Reverend Wee. Luton. late
Dean thereof.

THP4TRE.
;, '• • •
4 tfAraitatt.
1, •ne inimitable coined/ of Speed the Pi mp% wits
perliamed, lain night, and airlifted an overheat.—
I' 111 r. MUNDV4 never displayed the eccentricities of
1-Sir Abel Handy with happier effect. The Bob
Heady of Mr. Jonas excited peals of applanse ; he
EMS lively, natural, -and interesting; mid in his
dancing admirable. WS. 11. donarroxi: was an
excellent Mies Bl..ndford; she derived every sup-
port from Mr. C. KIMBLE. all her lover. Miss
Burrow's SUMS& Ashfield. end Mr. EMERY'S
Farmer Ashfi'eld. -displayed great merit ; and the
piece was crowned with complete success.
TO TILE EI) It PRESS.
Sem—Having mow done w %Mewers and their under-
strapper', I feel tassel( at Ilitserty to speak my *collimate
freely to• class of men who earn their nouothly bread, either
as occupiers of a Aral Ooor or of a ,geziet. Though person-
ally liiikuosim to any of them, I have been perm:lolly attacked
by must of them, in gross and indeceut language, without
baring given may cause for censure. The Editor of The
British Critic bast gave mouth, mud others, but with less
acrimomy, followed their impudeist !artier. Boehm sow set-
t lcd uty account with these atialcroen, the Author of 3lms
and Mammy*" Is thaiihful to so indulgent Public for permit-
ting no t, ss than four impremunts of the ‘lork to be pub-
lished; mid there is every reason to child' that the Indul-
gence will be continued, fur the Am thew ten assure the Public
that he lass not introduced any tbiug with a w,altvubatia-
tentiun, though many things ul.ty be eustlinverltAue May be
thought too severe, though true.
TIM A UTIIOII or " MEN Alf MANNERS."
Yesterday inurishig, Lady, the. Duke of Yong
arrived at Windsor, and *aim after rode 011
hori -
back with His MAJESTY and Princess AUGUSTA.
accompanied by the Earl of CUESTE&FIELD, 1.3c1y
A 1.8141 A CV )19En1.4 !,1 R. General Prrznov and Col.
'EAT I.oa, in Windsor Creat-Park, and returued aft
half-past twelve to the Castle.
e are sorry to say the Princesses SOPHIA and
ANIELIA are ilidisdosed. Sir FRANC:I9 51 ',AKA x
we, sent for expre4s, and orcivert at Windsor ies•
terday, to his thni-e and low, to attend theta.
Yesterday mottling, at tell o'clock, died.' at her
house iu Grosvehoc-svpiare, her Grace the Duchess
of huhruts, relivt of Harms, the sixth Duke of
BOLTON.
The Earl of CARNARVON is dangerously ill, at his
house in Tenterden-street, Hanover-square.
The 111archioneas of tia itv's grand rout, last
night, was attended by nearly the whole of the
fashionable world.
The Countess of CARDIGAN will have a grand
party this evening at her hustle Grosvenurratrect.
Mr. KESIBLE wai sitchleuly taken R O Monday.
with a complaint on his lungs, but was yesterday
considered much better.
The Countess Dowager of EASES had a party,
last night, at her house in Curzou-street, which
was attended by the Countesses SEFTON, CAM•
DEN, CLAIM and CLERMONT ; and several other
persons of distills:4o,
Earl Forrascua gave a grand dinner on Mons
day to the Earl of Essex, Lord CAARINGTONs
Lard (jAwoott, and Mr. B. Kirin.
Earl PERCY arrived yesterday at Northumber-
land House from Alsiwic:k. Castle.
The NI Imola and Marchioness of LANSDOWN ,
returued, oil Sunday, to town, from houthanipton-
castle.
Lady MI:IX:RAVE is much recovered from her
lute indieposition. Her Ladyship is so much betti::
as to be wile to take an airing doily..
Sir HOME Putt tit coutinues dangerously in-
disposed. He bad a very bad sight ou isiluntiey
night.
111 r. HoLczorr, the author, is dange,ronsly
The license granted to the Performers of. the
late Theatre, Drury-lane, will net be remised sifs.
ter to-morrow night, and the liberal wraps"!
which they esperieuced the first and second night
of their performance at the Opera-Howie, in behalf
of their poorer brethreo,willdistiliguisluit is hoped,
the close of their career probably in this city. The
individual aud. aggregate claims of that excellent
and populist company, now that it is out the eve of
being separated, make us lament, more than tear,
the dreadful calamity that occasions them at pre-
seat to make stn appeal to the liberality of the
public.
Yesterday the Lout, MAYOR. after examining
the returns of the Nreol weighers, ordered tbe price
of Bread to be reduced half ass assize, which wilt
take place to-morrow, when the sonatern loaf
wheaten will be sold fur ls, 41. and household
Is. 1;d.
Monday se'rinight, about ten o'clock, as Mr.
Wm. Stoma, of Derby, was returning home
from Weston-upon-Trent, he was stepped near Lit.
church-lane-end, on the Loudon turnpike road,
by a person on foot, who seized his horeeNs
bridle, and Presented a pistol to his breast, ex-
claming, " Daum you, stop, or I will shout you."
Mr. STORER instantly hod hold of the pistol, and
threw I .1f brine his horse upon the man, and
both fell shown to;;etlt.r a violent struggle ensued,
during which time, two Gentlemen, who were nu
this it return from Derby, came up, and assisted
Mr. STORER in securing the footpad, who is cum-
misted for trial. His mime Jaw.' .7447. by
trade a butcher, and livestat Aston-upon-Trent.

On the F2th instant, Mrs. Davies, of the Edishergli
Then' re Royal, of • sou.
MARRIAGE.
At Springfield, near Douglas, is Scotlead, on the loth
inst. Ideut.-Colinielaßobertl bowie, of the lion. gnat
Company's Bengal orstabPshmeot, to Mil 4 Elisa Cueeutry,
daughter of the late Janie, Registry, Erg.
DEATHS. •
At 'Narrate Park, on the fith instant, Mrs. Ferriirr Cot-
ter, of throhniel, the Lady of Major. General Ferrier.
On the sth instant, at his boss in St. Patrick's-square,
Fdinl•rgh, after • long illness, Mr. Willies& Drown, the
Projector and Editor of Tire Fdiab•rgb Weekly !partial.

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