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ARMY ESTIMATES.

I.Ortl PALMER/awl wad, that in riving to more
the Army Estimates, he did not feel it tierersaly to
im into the subject st smy length, lievout,e the Com-
mittee of Finance had gone into it so minutely, in
their two Reports on the table, that little remain-
ed for him to do. On a general view of the num.

hers proposed to he voted at the permanent force
of 1819, for Great Britain mid her Colonies, as
compared with the numbers for last year, leaving
out of consideration the forces employed in France
and India, the I louse would see there was a dimi.
notion of 9,870 men—and if • comparison were
made of the total numbers as in the estimates in
pay and under arms this year, with the correspood-
ing number. in the beginning of lest year, the total
diminution in the preceding would he found to he
96,04 i. This diminution in the numbers would
naturally lesid to a supposition that there wag •
diminution of expense this year Ilan; but the House
would recollect, that the charge for the troops (poor-
tered in France till near the dose of last year had
been entirely raised from the contributions supplied
by that Power, and that whenever the troops at*.
tinned there were withdrawn, that event was items
eerily attended with an increase of charge In the
revenue—as the pensions, half-pay, military allow.
melees, &c. consequent on their reduction, would
fall upon the country. The additional expense
thus incurred would be about 356,0001. were it not
fora staving of 268,000/. made by reductions in re-
maining ports of the forces. which had the effect of
bringing down the advance of expenditure from
356,000/. to 88,512/. for the current year. In
the charge for this year was included a sum of
203,254/. for troops ordered to he disbanded in
the course of the year. A great proportion of
this was temporary—it was expected that the whole
of the increase of 148,5:11. would merge in the
savings to be made by new reduction.. If they
looked to the total charge of all the military esta-
blishments in every part of the empire in the end of
181 e, and compared them with that for the preced-
ing year, a reduction would he discovered of
763,3181. 12t. 11d. ; but as the charge of the
troops in India was defrayed by the East India
Company, nod that of the army in France was
paid out of the French contributions, the saving
on the latter, and the increase on the former, must
be considered, in order to arrive at the differ-
, Puce in the amount of the sum to he raised by
Parliament. nut to those who looked on twirl•
tary establialimente with jealousy, as affording
sources of patronage to the Crown, it was by no
mean* all immaterial consideration that establish•
meats to the amount of 763,0001. hid been re-
moved, even tl gli the cost of maintaining them
all was tint derived from the public. Ile should
now proceed to state the heads of the estimates fur
the year ; it was unnecessary to enter into the de-
tails, as they had been given with great particula-
rity in the 2d Report of the Committee on Fitiatice.
In the first doss, the Land Forces, which comprised
the actual army of the country, including the staff
and medical department, there was a diminution of
972,000/. as compared with the last year. In the
Staff, there was an increase of 2,236/. which did not
proceed from any augmentation of that branch bf
the service (for there was, :a point of fact, one
1 General Officer Its% than there was in the last year),
but was entirely chargeable on tile Medical Staff.
IVlien the Medical Establishment was revised,
Itwo or three years ago, a diminution was made,
which was thought too great by many persons.
1 It was considered better to leave to the individuals
on different stations the power of representing what
I augmentation might necessary, rather than to in-
! terfere at once with the regulation that had been
made. In consequence of those representations
1 smell augmentations had been made, and thus the
1 increased charge of 2,2361. in the present year had
Ibeen created. In the Barrack Department there
was an increase of 4,000/. This arose from three
1 causes:—first, u temporary charge, owisig to the
t necessity of einti!oying a number of extra clerks its
1 certainoffices, on account of the tiresome of Wei-
-1 11Plie—second, the placing• of harrack-masters on half-
j pay, w ho, while they were with the many in France,
1 were paid out of the French contributions—
; amid thirdly, the transfer from the extraordinariet
to this head of estimates, the expense of the otitis.,
tary branch of the department of the Secretary
for lielimil. There was, under the bead of Me-
dicine, a reduction of 8,600/. This was occa-
sinner! by tho great quantity of medical stores
brought home from Frauce, which were, of course,
1 made available for the service of the year. Uuder
• the heed of Volunteer Corps, there was a ditninuti tttt
' of 187,000/. It arose entirely on the Irish Establish-
.
meld. On that of Englaild, there was a small
increase—which was created by the auguien-
-1 tattoo made last year in the yeomanry cavalry.
The whole of the items of saving on the first claw,
Iwas, as he had !refine stated, 272,000/. The troops
employed in India, the Muse well knew, were paid
by the East India Company. Though, in the first
instance, the expense of recruiting nod keeping up
those corps was paid out of the fonds of this coun-
try, yet it ultimately constituted a charge against
the Company. Oil the third class of estimate to
which half-pay, pensions, and gratuities belonged,
there was ;111 addition of 13,000/. arising princi-
pally from the reduction of the army in France.
In the !Military College there was a diminution of
3401. lii the army pay Of General Officers there
was an increase of 1,293/. owing to casualties. Under
the foetid of Gallitano, there was a hitting increase of
9.59/. This arose from the circumstance of the
deterinisiation which had been come to, last year,
to reduce some of the garrisons its Scotland—at
which period it was •gieed that allowances should
be nitrite to particular individual.. Under the
head of full pay for retired officers, there was a
diminution of 5,791/. arising out of casualties. In
the half-vay sod military allowances there was an
increase of 7,980/. in consequence of the reduction
which had taken place iu the army. Under the
hind of foreign half-pay, there was a diminution of
6,60 N. lii the estimate for Chelsea and Kilmaiii-
ham (in noel out-pensioners) there was an increase
of 12i,0001. The whole of this was 110 a real in-
crease. Its the estimates for last year, credit was
tarot for 30,000/. prise-money, and 14,0001. pound-
age in the hospital, making a total of 4.1.00 0/. to
which amount there was a diminution in the charge
for last year. Deducting this from the arparent to-
crease of 121,000/. it left a real augmentation of
77,0001. In the Royal Military Asylum there was
tutu increase of 3,600/. which was unavoidably in-
rimed on account of the rise in the price of pro-
, visions. Under the head of Widows' Pensions,
there was an increase of 5.2471. occasioned by an
addition to the number of persona on the Init.—
!In the Compessioutite I.lst„ comprising bounty-
warrants and tirmions for wounds, there was au iii-
crease of 6,7001. arising front the saute it nose, that

(molted to sot ntent the mann! °fly/Mows' prin-
sil's. In the Superannuation Allowances, there
was an increase of 2,6954. which was occasioned
by the reduction of certain lostiches of tie mili-
tary establishment in the coarse of the year, It
might he satisfactory to tie Committee to know,
with reference to the expenditure of the. Country.
what ha I been the result of the reductions made
within the List few years. In 1416, 1817, Ili Iti,
and 1819, official establi-tunetits had been reduc-
ed to the amount of 24,9541. On these, retir-
ed allowances hail been granted, /4 ))))) Ullitilbg to
13,691/. leaving a clear saving to the country
of 11,.203/.—witti this further consideraiimi, that
the establishments themselves hieing aboli,liod.
those allowance', would only coot 11110! NU 1(411g
as the piers/Iris who held the appoint wrests, when
the reduction took place, were it existence.—
It appeared then. that. oil the whole of the esta-
blishments, connected with the military service,
there was an increase in money of 180.00 a—while
there was a diminution, in numbers, of 9,870 men.
He wished before lie proposed the resolution with
which he meant to conclude, to draw the attention
of the Committee to that part of the Report of the
Committee of Finance, in which was pointed nut
the proportion which the expense of the first doss
(including land forces, staff; Ike.) bole to the elitore
amount of the military expenditure. The whole
of the expenditure amomited to fi,375,000/.--of
which 3,503,0001. was called for by what might be
denominated active establishments—Ow remainder
being a stun of 5,873,000/. belonged to the third
elect—that class which comprised pensions, super-
annuation'', half-pay, bounty-warrant., &c. He
did not think that money thus laid out would be
considered to have been either improperly or un-
fairly expended ; on the contrary, he was sure
the Committee would feel the justice of the grant.
They would recollect that the persons for whom
this charge was incurred, were individuals whose
professional prospests were closed, lit consequence
of the very victories they had beet instrumental in
gaining—officers and men who had been maimed
in the service of the country—soil the widows and
orphans of those who had fallen in fighting the
battles of the empire. He was certain the Com-
mittee would feel that these were a species of claims
which a British House of Commons would always
attend to as • paramount duty. - lie particu-
larly drew the :Mention of the Committee to this
portion of the expenditure of the country, because
lie was anxious that the public should he aware
of the items of which this branch of charge
was composed—and he felt the utmost con-
viction that the good sense and good feeling of the
country were such, that, when the justice of any ex-
penditure was established, no reluctance would be
manifested in providing for it.—(//ear, hear.)—
With respect to that part of the expenditure which
applied to the effective and active ;nut of the army,
he wished just to state to the Committee the re-
duction that had been accomplished in the course
of the last two years. if they compared the forces
that would remain, in the present year, after all
the projected reductions were made, with the
forces on foot, in the beginning of 1817, they
would find that there would be a diminution, its
the present period, of sl,29ti men—and of
1,336,000/. in the amount of expenditure. If they
went one year forth. back in their comparison, it
would be found, that the forces on foot, in the
present year, compared with the ounibers stated
in the estimate of 1817 were less in number by
62,982 men—making a diminution in charge, after
allowing for int:lease of pemions and half-pay. of
1,366,0001. Having mole this brief statement, lie
; would now move—

"That it in the opinion of thin Committer, that a Film not
exceeding 2,259,7781. 11n. 2J. he granted to his 31ajenty fur
the Land Forces in Great Britain, and on the station•
nhrinul, excepting the at giments employed in the East
f...m the 25111 Dtcember, 1310, to the 24th Decem-
ber. 181 D "

Colonel DAVITS conceived, that a reduction, of
not less than 1.20,000/. might, with prosier care, be
made no these estimates, ItkiViliVs at the same time.
the military establishmeut as Ofretire as it was at
present. He recommended the reduction of at least
three regiments of cavalry—and also the disbanding
a number of infantry regiments To counter-
balance any weakness that this sairicteding might
he supposed to induce, he would suggest the
propriety of keeping up the full and perfect
number of the regiments which remained. By
pursuing this course, a number of heavy appoint-
ments would be rendered unnecessary. The Hon.
Member then proceeded to point out the great dis-
parity which was oh•ervabte between the number
of offiee. ou the staff in England and Ireland, com-
pared with the numerical force of the army. He
could not conceive on what principle the enormous
military staff at present in exi-tence could be justifi-
ed. Sonic reason might be adduced for such an esta-
blishment in time of war—but, in a period of pro-
found peace, it was most preposterous. Those in-
dividuals could scarcely be employed on any other
service than that of repressing the smuggling sys-
tem, a duty formerly undertaken by officers far in-
ferior in rank. The staff of the Military College
was also unnecessarily great. He did not mean to
trouble the House further et present—but he now
gave notice, that when the Report wail brought up,
he would move for a rednytion of 120,000/.—end
he would then point out the mode, by which, he
conceived, the proposed saving might be made.
Mr. HUME did not mean to object to that part
of the estimate, which provided for the support of
wounded and superannuated officers—but he was
not so much eutisfird with the appropriation of the
remaining three million. and half. He was as sen-
sild.! of the merits or the army as any Gentleman
could be—he knew the arduous duties they had to
perform in supporting the glory and greatness of
the country—but, as a Member of Parliament, it
was for him to consider, whether, after many years
of suffering, after having borne their burdens with
exemplary patience, the people of England could
not be relieved from a part of those burdens, with.
out destroying the efficiency of the military force.
Looking to the Report ot• the Finance Corn.
miner, now lying on the table, it appeared to
him that that Committee had not fulfilled the
expectations which the country had entertain.
ed of the result of their labours. They met
to consider wind further measures were to be
adopted, in order to relieve the country from the
burdens which pressed so heavily on it. He had
read the Report attentively—and, from first to
he could not find a syllable, U 4 to any mode by

wilich' the burdens of the country aright r,e re.
,laced, The Report was altogether a conotarier r
of estimates that had been laid before the llouos,
What was the standard they called oil the
Hosi.e to adopt ? Instead of instituting a coin.
parisois between the military force of 1792 (which
they admitted to he the proper point), and thAt
whtch existed. at the present period. they seise,.
oil the
.years 1816, 1817, and 1411,
with them the comparison was made. They I.oi
okra selected the year 1814 (whet§ almost u..
paralleled exertions were merle) as is proper stailitu.
with winch to compare the oirearut expeedittire i,„
der the head of Publie (Miceli. The !Wile lion.
II id ponder, out a variety of erviligs- heat ta,
saving', he must observe. did tint appear nn 1:i•
table. ‘Vheis the Noble Lord spoke of a sivin,
of 2500)00/. he did not inform the Con:mm..e
that the expenditure of the present year, as corn_
pared with the last, presented an increase of
1:40,000/. He (Mr. Hume) believed that the ewe.
mate for let2o would not be 1001. less than +hilt
for the present year, which he considered a most
melancholy prospect for the country. The emir.
mune amount of the staff employed in a period
profound peace had been very justly commented oil
by the Hon. Member who had preceded him—and
lie hoped his Majesty's Ministers would make such
reductions in that part of the military estalei.i.-
nient as eircomstances would warrant. He begzei
to call to the attention of the House the pree.:a
state of the Military College. When this cooniry
h id 350,000 men in arms, he would nut ry that
It was not a very proper eatablisliment. Hot the
Committee was not perhaps aware of the little im-
portance of this establishment to the public, at the
present day. He would shew what the real efficiency
of that College was. The number of students in the
College was 400, who were eligible after an educa.
lion of four yew« to hold commissions in the arms,
Now, the number of officers appointed to the arinv
from that College, in the cuurse of three years, nit
76—twenty by purchase, and fifty-six without it.
This appeared from a paper for which he had moved
a few days since. His inference from this es.,
that they were paying the sum of 25,000/. per (m-
--eant for the education of a very few young genii. -
men. With respect to the half-psy list, he was
anxious to offer a few observations. In the begin-
ning of 1816, there was an immense number of offi-
cers on half-pay. There were 1,163 Captains-
-3,063 Lieutenants—and 1,241 Cornets and En-
signs. At that very moment, when Government were
making reductions in differesit quarter., some of
which he had no doubt gave them pain, they wee
filling up vacancies in the army by the issue of cont.
miesions to individuals who hail never served. No
less than 294 persons were sent to the arms,
without purrheae—and thus a succession of to
tants were forced on the public—for the vaine
return proved, that 294 persons were, at tria
period, placed on half-pay of 3a. per diem. Ti e-
was a body of annuities crewed, to the amourit of
16,060/. by filling up vacancies, without purchase,
instead of taking from the lialf-pay list officers
who had been discharged only a month bef.ire.—
(Ilear.)—By this means the public war burdened
with a suns of 300,000/. the capital necessary to
produce annuities to the amount he had stated.
With respect to the Royal Military Asylum, it cost
the public 36,0001. per annum. He conceived. that
during the war, it was proper that it should be ex-
tensively supported. But he doubted, Low that
peace had returned. considering that the couritly
was at present over-populous, whether it was pru-
dent to continue the Asylum to its existing extent.
Mr. BEN N ETT said, the real question %%0, IPA
whether Ministers hail reduced the military forte
from a war to a peace establishment ? hut whethe,
the establisinuerit now proposed was not entirely
too large under existing circionatatierei ? It ap.
peered to him, that it was not necessary, in the
year 1819. a period of profound peace, to keep
a force of 29,533 mess in this country, partreirlai
as there wits a large and efficient emir:of voliiiiti el..
With respect to Ireland, he could tint conceive ai.y
good reason for supporting in that country a force of
twenty thousand six hundred and .eventy-oni. rile..
If such a force were necessary there,
it argued that
the people were badly governed. Except in tilo-
s:ales that were ceded to new masters, by the act•
of the late Congress, this system of over-Asa:Da a
people by the terror of military force, was no oler,.
else adopted. If that were the object Mined at, 1:1
supporting so large an army in Ireland, it iv.e.
most disgraceful sod discreditable to those who
supported it. If, when speaking on such a sub-
ject, they could contemplate a seeing of money, he
would say, that it would create a great saving, if
pains were taken to attach the Irish people to this
country instead of making them hate and detest I'.
Facts had lately come to his knowledge, connected
with Ireland, of which perhaps the House were eve,-'
rant. He had learned, that, instead of turels-is.
every gaol in Ireland, except our, was atteritleit
a number of soldiers. Evidence of this, he iahr.
stood, was given before a Committee, now ,it-
ting in another place. Thirty-six soldier*, .1
appeared, were employed to take care of etc
prison only. There individuals were selected
to perform duties winch could be easily ex-
' acted by six or seven turnkeys. Now, set-
ting aside the unconstitutionality of empliiy-
' jug the military in this manner, he conceived that
one way of reducing the great amount of military
force in Ireland, would be to call on the different
counties to provide proper turnkeys. The number
ef officers on the Staff was a matter of serious
complaint. There were no less than seven Ilajo,-
General in Ireland, each of whom could not hate
much inure than 2,000 or 3,000 men wilder li 0
command. He would now advert to a subject.
which, though net strictly connected with the
discussion, was well worthy of observation. He
alluded to the distribut of the prize-money
claimed by the army who assisted in gaining tie
battle of ‘Vaterloo, IVhether it proceeded hour
the vague way in which the order was drawn up, or
the vague manner in which it was interpreted, he
could not say, but it had the etiect of depriving re-
giments of their share of that reward, which, %wile-
soy other circumstances, they would have beep coil•
aidered entitled to—and, at the same tittle, it im.t-
ed in officers, as worthy of remuneration, .01'r
had not the most remote title to the 'twilit Of it
single shilliug. Troops not actively engaged.
bet who were us much with the army as if Or).
bad been absolutely in the battle (because
protected the flanks and rear from the attacks of the

rose), were deprived of reward..—while regii,cas
~at were on the sea, coming from America. who
. I not arrive till Imo,: after the conflict—officers,
0.0, st the time of the engagement, were Inane ins
St Jimes'a-street—who afterwards proceeded to
,sir chaieel, ea I iurgeois, to Pans—thee were
acted worthy of receiving a peciiiiiary gratitiea.
Nut only the Officers themselves, lost their
servant' were rewarded. /Igloo, how were
-.e merit; al silo-odious treated ? There wire cn
oa eels in the fi-hi, and the wonedeil were
toe distance of rigid or ten miles from the
slop, for relief. Toe persons who oidontoestervil to
ea sud rmg. ought tie have been timaill.-red as if
• y were nn the field of battle. •I'lley were, how-
refused any iesticipation iio the inexe-tilieley.
:r allele not of surgeons who were r•riit not
to
dowels after the little, but of those Gentlemen
-,:to were on the spot on the 15th, 16 le 17th, and
-9th of June. They clearly came tinder the idea
f haring been engaged iii the !rattle—they were
eiertfore entitled to a share of the iorir--inoney—
hut they were most unaccountably cut oust and
.Icluded. In the case of a foreign corps, the
Ilmoverians, the circumstance
I-ordinary. The exception to this ens a singioler
(sr. Three who ran sway from their regiment
were rewarded—those who remained, were deprived
.1 remoneration.--(!leaf, lieur.)--It was a fact
'at those who ran away from their coheirs oil the
veld of battle, but joined before the :limy re:seheil
Paris, received a share of the prize-mu:ley. . They
%sold have got nothing if they st not oat the field—
tut they Were paid because they fill
Sir A. Hots expressed his unwise that an 111,15.
Member (Mr. Hume) could wish to discharge from
ter Royal Asylum the orphan children of those who
had perished ie their country's reuse, because it
maunder' expense of 36,0001 a-year.
Mr. Ileut interrupted the gallmit Officer. All
lie said was, that it was a matter of coosideretioni,
whether the Asylum should in future lie supported
to the weld which hail beta deemed necessary in
former years. Ile woold be the last man to pro-
pose the tete of the children should be discharged.
Sir A. HOPE said, he vial happy to be corrected,
and would, as lie load misunderstood the Hun.
Member, tools over the subject. With respect to
the Nlilitaiv College, he would ask, whether the
propriety of having Or of riot buying ail eetalilish-
Anent of that kind, was not frequently investigated
by Committers of the House of Commons, who
art nMriv decillid in fivour of the I.istututioa
'The chive.- mode against the establishineut were
I.llactous. Its benefits were not confined to the
army—it was useful as far as the generel joiereara
6.ielety were voiscetised—heetcciSe it was the ine-
t!iiint through which the sons of military meat were
rented up in leinciples of honour and true pa-
trioitisin. NVitli respect to the complaint which
had been made es to the unnecessary extent
of the staff, it would be well for Gentlemen to
consider whether it was nut better to have iii
efficient staff, capable of doing the duty of
the country, instead of looking for the aid of fo•
rtign nffi. rrs, as formerly wag the case. lie de-
nted that the tbiti of the Military College Iva' at all
disproportioned to the establishment. The charge
was stated to lie 6,000/. per annum, and it
was quite obvious that this sum covered all
the eepenses of the offices of the estalifislionetit.
'When the fist reduction of the College took place,
there were six staff officers employed to its iltilies.
Of these, three were reduced. The Groves nor,
Lieut.-Gov erionr, and Inspector of Military lost rue..
ton renteilied. The Governor's doors were rein,.
save, and of a very general nature. The Lent..
Governor had mot only to do the duties which wete
performed by the per.on also filled the situation
originally, but he also discharged the duties of
Commandant of the Junior Department,which afire
lead been abolished. He was, in fact, performing
a double duty. In like manner, the Inspector-
General of instruction saved the public the income
of a Conmiatirlant of the Senior Department, mid
also of au iissistunt to the Commandunt, %Ich n
offices weer merged iu his. Voider these circuits-
*toners, 110 charge Of extrevegauce could be sub-
stantiated against the management of tke
lusti-
Sir I. Covets said, lie meant to find co fault
with the estimates now before the House. Ile
hoped, homelier, alien the estimates connected with
the service to *loch he belonged were submitted
for consiehretion, that Ministers would manifest au
equal degree of I herality.
Lord l'A t mEitsrom said, it would be most in-
convenient to adopt the suggestion of the gallant
Officer (Ciolooiel Davies), who was anxiiitis that the
number of reeinients should he decreased, lint that
those which remained should be placed on the
highest establishment. The consequence of this
would be, a great separation of carve, a hieli ought
always to be ;mottled if possible. Fatloe extreme
was bad. It aes a vicious system, when too go. .it
a number of regiments were employed. and it was
'quell) faulty, to trust to a few, placed on it very
high establishment. 'rite principle sin whit Is lice
military establishment was at preterit fixed, com-
bined as many benstits as, under existing circuisi-
Stances, it was possible to hope for. The ruble
Lord flirt' proceeded to defend the institution of mi-
litary schools. 'Des formed, he observed, nit im-
portant nursery for rearing efficient of for any
future event which may require the services of the
military in the cause of their country. The illus..
tnous personage at the head of the army was by ion
means insensible to the claims of the individuals nn
the balfspay list, en many of whom bad been very
distinguished in the arduotts efforts of the war.
During the war, trout the very nature of the sera
vice, commissimia were not filled from the half-pay
list us often as it might have been wished. But.
since the peace a saving to the county, estimating
the half-pay at twelve years purchaee, had been
effected to the amount of 4,678,0001. by filling
up vacate commissions from the half-pay list. l'he
Noble Lord then described the admirable chanter
of the !filitary Asylum, and the necessity of giv.
lug it adequate support. It educated and pro.
tected the orpliaus of soldiers who had perish-
ed in their country's cause, and 111110 the chil-
dren of such officers as were ordered on
foreign service, and who were consequently
tumble to superintend that education thenwelere.
It had been intimated that in time of peace this
Asylum was not so much waisted, and therefore the
expense might be reduced ; but he assured the
Committee that the applicatious for admission from

persons fully c.litled t.s that bmefit, at peseta ex-
ceeded the funds consicierably. In fact, lie knew
no public institution better entitled than this to the
liberality of the !loose, With respect to the ob-
serestions which hid been 'wide on the sobject
the disirilrist of the VVaterlun prize-money, lie
thought he could give a very satisfactory explana-
tion. From the toriliciolr a Inch governed that do-
tribution, the medical officers attending the wound-
ed at Iliorsel• were necessarily excluded. The
pose-money for the butte of Waterloo was given
as s gratuity to the army engaged in that great
aclitevemeor, and ale, in tie capture of Paris,
which followed it. The bile of diennarcetioti drawn tin
the occasian was, that the whole of the Allied Army
engaged in either of these services should receive the
gratuity. This arrangement of course excluded the
garrison at and those in the other for-
tresses iii the rear of the army in Flanders. This
necessarily °oersted to the exclostion of the Bel-
gian, II moveriim, and Prost:ion troops etationed ill
such places. Prize-money toast be defiled to be a
particular ortatineration for brilliant service—M(li-
. victual capes of apparent hard.lul. would arise me-
der any airisugersielits, but they were 111$3V01,1%thle.
Au officer ought to look at prize-money as a sort
of wield-fall, winds lie should rej see at getting, and
lint one that lie might to complain of lasing. No
1111,111 COlll,l 41.1111 it the eminent services of the
medical ()titers of the artily, end their great effi-
ciency us the field; lint in this case, if the medical
officers stationed at Brussels were admitted to a
participation of the prise-moiley, tine troops who
a err placed there should also souse in for the sane.
This would at once lead to a similar extensimi to
the oilier fortresses in the Netherland., and the
principle would equally apply to the nieilit•al offi-
cers on service at Deal, who soperiotesirled the
wounded soldiers that wer- cuaveyed to that
place alinedy alter the battle. Tile grant for
this year could mit be objected to any
fate reason by the Gentlemen opposite, for it
made a reduction as low as that called for by
an lion. and Learned Gruitlenusis (Sir Wm. Bur..
rough.) last yew, and eusioiderably more their wii•
called for Ivy • Noble Lord opposite (Lord Al-
'hog.). who had made a motion for the reduction
of 5,000 men joist at the same period.
(lent-rid Gascolsts could cot concur in the
coostructiaii which the Nolde Lord put on prise-
money, winch he seemed to think the ellect of
chance rather than the reward of brilliant service.
Lord PALMERSTON explained that be usenet to
pot no such construction—all lie hart stated was,
that the prise-money was Iflllited to O. army
actually in the field, either at Waterloo or at the
capture of Paris.
General GASCOTIII was glad to bear this 'spin.
nation given; still. however. he thought the medi-
cal alEmrs immediately strewth% on the wounded
at Brussels ought to have been considered in the
distribution of the prim-money. ID the lite pro-
motions he certainly believed that the appointments
were made in two c lees out of three 'lwo sissy
were riot takers oat of the half-pay list, from pro-
'nee, made to meritorious officer', who haul faith-
fully served their country. lu his own regiutiesit lie
could state, that the only live vacaiscies which oc-
curred were tilled up from the half-pay list.
Lord AL-risotto said, that its nis allusion hod
been made to his motion of last year, for a reduc-
tion of 5,000 uteri from the military department of
the public service, he tlionglit it right to state, that
though his motion had been limited to a reduction
of 5,000 inert, it was not because he believed that
number alone could be spared. but that after the
reduction of 10,000 had been rejected, it was all lie
was likely to get. Ile thought then, as v, that
29,000 men formed too large a domestic peace esta-
blishment, situated us were the finances of the
country. Ile was equally afraid, both then and
now. that the military force in Ireland was rendered
necessary as the present system was carried on.
But why was it tendered so necessary ? Because the
Governineht were tint revered, as they honestly
and justly ought, to adopt a coneilattiry policy
towards the population of that comitey.—(lleur.)
Colorist Davuss explained, that he was still di.-
satisfied with the amount of the military force. In
looking over the estimates, he saw a earn of 10,900/.
fur the expenses of recruiting in England, and
9,8291. in Ireland, Ile begged In know what be-
r one of the 20/. given by each mall who com-
pounded his discharge?
Lord l'aLuLosiou replied, that the some so
received were regularly credited, as might be betql
ill the details of the accounts.
Mier a few worth, in explanation, from Mr.
Hume and Lord l'ai.simosToo,
Mr. BENNETT said, that in the campaign in
the Peninsula, the garrisons shored in she general
prize-money. The case at Waterloo was a sulitory
instance of the reverse.
Sir R. WII.SON thought the common law pre-
cedent was in favour of the claim of the parries,
olio were excluded from participating an the Wio,
teflon prize-money. Ile had moor molly distrilin.
lions of plize-mmiey, lint lie lever recollected an
exclusion of medical officers from their regular
share until the present regulatioii. They were
generally placed in intuit s which exposed them
to danger, end which called forth great bodily
as well as mental energies. As this subject was
before the Committee, lie begged to ask, if it were
riot is fact, that two officers had received prize-
mousey for the battle of Waterloo, who were in
London at the time that eligiagement took place
Lord PALMERSTON repeated the grounds upon
which it was necessary to draw a distinction, that in
effect proved fatal to the claims sil the medical
officers fur lorixe-money. Ile admitted that in-
stances mglit have arisen of promos receiving Ilse
prize-otiosity for the battle of %Veterlan who were
not ',resent at the time, but who were present at the
capture of Pare, the event which was associated
with the other.
Sir RODENT WILSON then put a question. which
was not sufficiently audible ill the gallery. tint
which we uuderstood to relate to the manner in
which the names of officers were placed on the list
according to slice rank.
Lord PALMERSTON observed. that the usual
farms reopectisig breve: rank were still obverted.
it.iutson was then curried.
The following Resolutions were also agreed to:—
That a sum aot exceedisig 749,9371. Be. toil. be Ereat,4
to &Gay she elargrs art' the laud fume is Ireland for the

carreut year.
139,3331. far ccrtaia allowances to tLe 01tears of lite
Mtdatal Staff.

10,3211. for rrrt.iia allorauteir lu niflt erq in Leiana.
4' )l 17.. 3d fur Mrdirinrs ii tiAlstd.
10,4371. 174. 3.1. fir full pay for retired OISTim
lo•Preal 00000 Ts of Ott-lien end ;41,5311.25. ed.
/MI-Prosionert of ditto 1.1173,G1N. 21. 2d.
36,1321. 172. 7.1. AT the fiord Asylum of Chelg.l.
Oit the ftet.olutinti bei:ti: rut fur a great of eight
milhnus In replace the Exchequer lolls Nulled in
the year 1718.
Jutrx NFWPORT suggested the propriety of
tinotpuniag lln. fte.u)lsation is; Ihr olotence Ili.,
/tight lion. Friett.l (Mr. Tierne)).
The Cii AN CF Lux of the 1.....XCH IQU ea cnrotetiterl._

Mr. ARBUTHNOT propowed a Itemlutiliii
380,300/. fur the supply of meat and bread to the.
Continis.ftrost Department.
Sir JoitIXNEWPORT Mid Mr. liuME were anxious
fur inquiry Mtn this item.
Mr. A USUTHNOT wool Mr. Got:I.BMM explained
that 1. mot the grant.—Agreed to.
5,0001. fur the Refuge 'Attie Destitute tens then atered to.
On the question that :33,000/. be granted to Emi-
grant Officer•,
Mr. GORDON requireil an explanation.
Mr. AUBUtIiNOT said, that it was for the foreign
Officers olio had repeatedly served the 'country,
some of Ilivrn ii,ice the action fought at Tuition.
bO,OOO/. Cr. foreign nod other services was then *Trent In,
Are a few words from Mr. Tirasrx, Io whom 111 x.
ARUM/lb uT replied, that the sum del nut exceed the tonal
giant.
10.01001. were toted to defray the expenses of the College
of Edinburgh.
3,300/ for the Civil Es'ablithinent of the Bahama Liles.
11.4111. for Nowa Scotia.
8.701. fur New Brunswick.
2.1901. fur Cape !trefoil, its America.
16,8191. for New South Irulev.
- _

Sir .1. Nt;wPotr ohjiicted to the great delay in
furnishing the [Nose with the particulars of the
manner in m hick the annual 4 fur this establish-
tnent were disposed of.
The CliaNtrt.l.Oß of the Eton...out:ft said,
they were timid with the utmost tegularity.
146a7t. for sierra Leone.
1,18,876/. fur the service of the bear 1818, ia Eircbrrptor
Li II remaining unpaid and iiiiprot Wed fur.
Sir W. DI. CIti..t,PIGSIV compl.mied thot the ex-
penses incurred in suppintitig the Civil Establi•li-
meld of Ceylon were enormous, and wished that
accounts of the particulars should be laid before
the llowe.
Mr. COULDURN said they were in a state of
pri tuiration, and should be produced us anion as

The Revolutions having been agreed to, the
Iluu.e 'taunted, sod the Report was ordered to he
brought up on Monday, when the !louse ;a again
to resolve itself into Ilse same C sssss matte.
BANKRUPTCY LASTS.

Mr. JOHN SMITH moved that the House go into
a Committee ulu►u the 'Bankruptcy Laws A 'prod-
meta Bill, previously to which, he stated that the
Report of the Committee, which had sat two years
tyros the subject, demanded the most serious coil-
siderat;ou of the House. individuals of the very
highest character, comm••rcial men, barristers and
solicitors, had complained of the existing abuses,
sod agreed in the necessity of an immediate remedy.
The Bill might be defective in many of its prove•
sious, and it was must expedient that the House
should be called upon to look gravely into the
question. As the circumstances were intricate, lie
expected some opposition to the measure, but hr
would pat it to the House whether they were not
bound to do all they could in un extremity swill's'
winch the large body of c ))))) inercial men of this
country were constantly complaining. He concluded
with moving that it be an instruction to the C
inittee to divide the Bill into two ports: the first for
the regulation of the commission sir to the disposal
of the bankrupt's eflects, owl the second fur the
regulation of the law generally.
Mr. ‘VAITIIMAN agreed in the leadisig features
of the Bill, but disapproved of many of the ranitfi-
cations. He deprecated the vast expenses attend-
jog a commission of lonikroptcy, and said, it was
truly stated that the Commissioners frequently de-
cided in the teeth of each other.
Mr. CouaTENAIr complimented the lion. Gen-
tleman who had introduced the measure to the
House. It contained a variety of etiactments winch
would, no ilnuln, prove highly beitelicial, but he
apprehended that it ass lilt, ly the Bill would create
sonic alterations in the law of the lend, which might
counterbalance those advantages. lie approved of
the division of she Bill as had been suggested, and
reconiroerided that the measure sl►ould then be dis-
cussed. Nothing, hr was convinced, could be of
greaser consequence than the making of alteration•
in a law which related to the property of so nosily
of our ft llow-citmeits.
The motion having been put and carried, the
llonse went into Committee.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL suggested, that the
131 should he printed, and then discussed. The
Ilouae resumed, and the Report was received and
ordered to be taken into further consideration on
Wcdisesday.