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LA* reAsfeed ih rate of Interest, the thoontalale Mem: ,
bee eepreseed hie satiefaction et Lode' heard the Chap. ,
seller*, the Exclieleet say, that the Vow, Laws were •afair.
Thee was so period at which is alter*, le ties absurd
laws mild be so properly and effeetteely Ititrodhled as the
resent when they were, iu fact, a dead letter, the market
mice tof the loan of Money being lower than the legal price.
Bel he amid tot believe that the reduction of Interest made
by the Bash had say geoeral effect lapse the value of mosey
in tee market, or upon the price of lend, or of asy
icomdier.
day. If the Bee& bad doubled its circulation, t world
lave we permutes' effect upon the 'aloe of moneys U such
• this( had hake* place, the general level of interest world
be mowed in less than six months. The country only re.
quirrd, end could eel, bear a certain eireallatioet had.
*ben that amorist of circlet/Ilion was sewn, the rate of
%tenet would lied its wholesome and manual level.
He was glad that the Rank had detersaised to rednee It.
tate of iatereet to Liar percent.; indeed, they would have
lose wrist in &chitin le du so, as by that wears oily
tumid they bring their notes into circulation. Ulm Bask
bad sot reduced its ilatreest to Ler per clot. the cots-
try must oeeesserily resort tounetallie currency, or else Notes
loud be issued from some coher quarter, as it werestil he im-
possible for the Bank of Euelend to pet • angle pseud note
tato circulation. loeouclosion, hr ovoid slot help obeevv.
ing, that he Mt moth conemierrelioe foe Mee sofeetnieste
Gi otleman who was induced to give feIMU. more for au
estate is coneeeptence of she bark levieg loweted its 10.
%feet to foot per east.—(A laugh.)
lift. 1. MARTIN ronsidewd the sinking fund as a means
of keeping up the prices of the Nada, • great benefit, not to
the stockholder alone, but to the country at large. If the
three per cents. had been et 60, instead of 60, the Bank
would mot hate hod it iv its power to reduce the rate of lute.
rese. Re ergeetted Mist the Chauirettor of the Exchequer
had sot called stye attention of the Committee to the del.
Mese, of the coosolieleted food, which wee • subject of the
degpirM importance to the country. Whilst that &Reimer,
. anolleatale it was well known that the Right Huuourable
.ffidellealm wee obliged to depend upon the Beak fur ad.
ammo he the psymest of the dividends. Now, is the
ellellellf the Bask being subjected to the payment of its
medemMe red cis demand, it might so longer suit Ike conve-
x
lam !see or the laterals of the Bank to continue such ad.
and the eessequeses would be, that the Govern-
.. letelleolthe cad of some quarter, would dud itself nut is a
eilarelem to pay the dirt/trod/ due to the public creditor.
Ile thighs it was t be duty of the autmeelkw of the Excise.
tyre' to provide against such • aontiageocy.
Mr. HUME said, he considered the actual accost of
• the public debt to be • maitre of much less consequence
the, the manual amount of the charge which the country had
to pay. At the end of the year 1815, the emoting of hat/treat
ebeegnble tepee the funded debt was 25,000,0001. since
ILA it hail beta increased, so that last year it amounted to
• 11,716,000/. the amount of the funded debt Navin( been in.
Jrcemed, mid that of the unfunded debt diminished ; but the
Chnowliur of the Exchequer sow told them that at the cud
; dire next year It would ameout to 31,000,0001. belug an
=permanent charge of upwards of 1,200,0001. fur the
dad, while the unfunded debt, instead of being
siallaiha properties, had been actually increased. He should
heeled to know bow the Chancellor of the Exchequer could
maeremilme the coeutry un the circunastasees iu *Web he
had placed it, having thus added 1,200,0001. to the prima.
seat charge.
Mr. LUSHINGTON contended, is oppositio• to the
Hon. Alember for Portarlitgtun (Mr. Ricardo), that there
was a clear surplus of income above the expenditure fur the
present year, amounting to somewhat more than 5,000,0001.;
sad so order to support that pundits hr recapitulated the
humor income and cluree, al stated by the Chancellor of
the Earbrepeer. T be Hun. felemiper for Wiucleasea (Mr.
Brreaghtten) seemed to have some difficulty is end/Haan/Rug
that part of the statement of leis Right Hon. Friend (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) with respect to the oettleineat
•f the debt between the East India Company ad the Govern.
went of the country. One übserrairen might serve to en
plain that. There had been loop litigated claims between
the Government and the East baths Compaey, which had et
leagth been arranged after considerable discussion and is.
quiry on the part of the Noble Lord at she head of the
Treastrey, and his Right Hon. Friend; it having been
willed that the Compel, should pay 1,800,0001. to Guyer/s-
-weat. Of that sum 1.00,000/. had been paid, aad they had
• /titbits take credit for that sum its the pretreat year, which
Eft 1,300,0001. still repaid. Ile thought the First Lord of
she Tremor, and bin Right Hun. Frieusl, bad a right to tale
credit to themselves for having effected the arrangement of a
debt of so many years sueding, in a manner completely
satisfactory to both parties.—(Hear, hear, and laughter )e-e
Tie Hon. Member fur Abingdon complaiued that so moil*
bad been takes is the estimate of future reductions..
Mr. MABERLY said, referring to the Report of the Li-
Bans Committee of 11117, he had complained that the
smell of the expenditure had not been reduced within the
hm is wieirb that Committee bad fixed.
Mr LUSH INGTON salt, he thought it rather • subject
fir eongratelation, slut even taking it so, they were ens.
bled to chew • clear surplus of 5,000,0001. of income over
the expenditure, witbuut those tednetious, which tt was still
perfectly competent to the. Hour* le make. The Honourable
Member said it sat is vain to expect that asy thing effee-
teal would be done towards an ecomonsical reform, nukes hy
a Committee of loquiry ; but he would undertake to assert,
that a Commission which had bees appoiated within
She hat fire year, fur the purpose of inquiring into the
winos departments cunoected with the public revenue,
already dune more in the way of economy and
ttefsl regulation than all the Committees of that House
Our ea toy years past; he meant the Compiled°, of Inquiry
Sabot& establishments of the Cu.toma, Excise, and Stamps.
With respect to the compl aut. on the subject of the
saperennoation •rowancee, the regulations which had
been udupted as to the ages of persons admitted
to appointments is the several establishments had dune
mine tinier& the effecting of en economical reform
shin lied been done by any Ministry that this country had
assn fur the last hundred years.
Mr. RICARDO said, he looked upon the saving of
2400,0001. from the 'meal sum] military prnsiou scheme as
leeser.)—And he wished to boor whether
she Chancellor of the Exchequer had not made an &newest*
for 'hat as • part of his eutplus ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the aunt mensiuserd au allowed for.
hIr.CALCRAFT said the Right Hon. Gentleman bad
staled a surplus of 5,000,0001.; to get at which be took
';edit fur 557,000/. for • manes' made by the East Isdrs
Company. But be forgot so place oa the other aide erf the
accuuut a sum of 1,800,0001. doe from the Company to
i;,Aerabsesit, which was mew uo longer due. He should say,
iSelefore, !list lie ought to deduct from hie supposed surplus
1,30t40001. being the difference which was owing to the
couutiy at the liegiuning of the year from the East Judie
Compsil.
1 he CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER and Mr.
CA LCEAII•T exchanged a few obsereatioaa in a low torte
of euice,•bich the interruption in the gallery rendered it
imposed:de to collet!.
Mr. J. SMITH thought the sinking fond, by keeping up
the price of sunk, facilitated lie redaction of the debt is
the only way in 'thick it was practicable, oarutly, by the re,
introit of the interest. There hirer two modes of seeking
nth a seduction : one by • direct violation of faith with
the publ c creditor, which no honourable mind could wish
I. adept ; mid the other by inducing the emulator to
e,rierrt his stock into • I,wer fond. in that ists, lee looked
bussed to the reduction of the 4 per emits. and 3h per teats.
to 3 per cent. He &petaled the huldi eg out of aired/m-
-ins of the interest in auy other way, as a mode of relief to
tt.rlanded interest. He did not think the pressure upon
teem from low prices could last lung. It woe an evil that
earned its own remedy with it. The pencil's alight perhaps
be cruel in its operation upon the small (miners, and thuat
who cultivated inferior soils ; but the result wuulel be that
I-ea con) would be grown, and then prices would rise.
llr. BROUGHAM congratulated Ike Chancellor of the
!.‘..iirqurr on ore piece of retrenchment, at least, effected
v the r r y, in earring the crepes., of trumpeters by
"online their ows--(laughter).—Formerly, when the
Il•aecelloe of the Exchequer opened his budget, he was Is
!!'" habit of receivireg panegyrics from &Emma painters of
117 House, from the mashy gentlemee, aid others queue-
s riid sub htm by soy official tie , bat RIM sight all the

doitramlallasa of tits plea prestaleatriffit 8 gatlralla wt.
was intimately weeweard with Ma...pahe Secretary of the
Treasury (Mr. Lamilstro). IN they were to begees him,'
there never was, Is the frimoryofitse coastry etwei an eco-
edt of 'Meister' as the present Met Lord of •
the Treasury sad Chaise*ller of the Piitetaralet. In
the Grit Owe, thou had ease • groat deal mere is abe
way of tartmahamat le the last Iwo yeas, than all the
Camshafts of that Boas bud-seer derat-odia eneeediagly
nom pliormararg striders spew the Castanets appointed by
•tbe llama; and in the elm -plaeo, they lad efected suet
amimesass/ swarm them all a. Ilhalasva with which this
eeetetarbad hems blamed-.i• supposed he ought to say—.
(Lsagliser) fee a haawalswill. years past. These were the
greatala os which the midst passional of Misistors put
their eliding to the grotiteds of the Houma sad Abe costal's.
But east la fact had they achieved to (mettle these to this
breadth of encomium ? n• Fiance Committee of 1817,
to their Reputt, fixed as the limit within *bleb the whole
expenditure of tie country might be reduced, 36,100.1:100/.
sod the actual eatpeuslitere of last year exceeded that sem
by 1,500,0001 ; and this year, taking it epos the charge of
their owe estimates, It would be 24,500,0901. or only about
850,0001. below the estimate of Ilia Committee in 1817 ; and
that west the tallest of their reductions during a period of Ave
yeah, whew, even if the posed este were only worth as
mach new am ia 1817, the Committee did sot mesa to
limit the reductiosa that might be made to that estimate;
but salting that sem as the proper mamas, for that period,
they thought Slates time west os it might be still more Jr.
Creased; bat what would be said of such retreeehateot when
it wee well known that, revery article of subsistence had
fallen io value at legal 35 per ceat. ? Is order to have kept
pace with that change, and with the further charge predated
y the altecallou of tie currency, there ought to have beet a
reduction of at least 6,000,0001. He could not therefore go
Moog with the extravegast praises which had proceeded from
that disisterested, nueouomeoed, and impartial quarter, the
Secretary of the Treasury, in Isis panegyric upon the
first Lord of the Treasury mud the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer. Br would pot It to arty Naas out of the pale of she
Tressoryo—he "wield have put it to any one of the inferior
Lords of the Treasury themselves, if any of them bad been
present, fur, Gad mut, he believed they were very little coo-
meted with the bootees' of the Treasury, and that might
perhaps account for their absence from the discussion on
the Budget—he would put it to any one who heard him, whe-
ther, except on the score of patronage, any more obvious
saving could have presented itself than that to which the Hos.
Member for Abiogdun (11r Moberly) had alluded! Wire an
office was abolished, they were obliged to make some priri.
lion on that account for the person who held it : but nu such
provision war requisite, or ought to be made, if that person
held another office, nor would any such allowance have been
made by se economical administration. If a Mae retired
from •n office after lung service, either from age, sickness, or
other infirmity, then be had a right to a• adequate allow-
ance. Bet if the office were abolished, because it was no
longer necessary, be ought to have a decent maintenasce
if he had served long; but if he had only bees a short
time in the service, he should bare so retired allow-
ause, but ought to take his chance, the same as be
must in soy other profession or calling. Bat it was a
principle wholly incootrovertilele, that if so office was
reduced, and the holder of it held also another appoint-
ment under Government, he certainly could have no right
at all to any allowance fur the office so reduced; and
it was not to be endured that such a mod* of expenditure
should be found fur the public money. Again, could any
thing be more obvious than the propriety of appointing to
any offices which became vacant, or any new ones which it
might be necessary to create, those persons who were re-
ceiving retired pensions, if they were able to serve, is-
stead of making entirely new appointments? The Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Lushingtou) said be could not go into the
cases allude ol to by his Honourable Friend (Mr. Moberly)
because he did riot give the names of the partner. But that
was a most invidious way of doing it ; and besides, the ob.
i.ction did not rest on the merits of the isdividuale, but
wholly on the principle. He would, however, particularise
one, Mika he fuuod in the paper, on the table. A person
held as office at a salary of 300!. a year, which was abo-
lished, sad he then got a retired allowance of 1601. Soots
afterwards be was appointed to another office of 300/. which
was also reduced; and, instead of returning, as might have
been expected, to his former retirement of 11101. a year, be
received I. addition' Is It 1401. s year more, as the retired
allowance of his secried office. So that be retired upon an
allowance of 3001. • year from an office that was abolished
of 3001. a year salary.—(Hear.)—He would mention also
woother case which had been noticed before, and which
chewed the ingenuity of those who husbanded the resources
of the country, in devising excuses for their misapplication.
A person held so office of 5001. to 6do. a year, which being
abolished when he was at the age of 35, he retired on a
pension of 400/. a year, which he (Mr. B.) should have
thought too great an allowaece to a person of that age,
after only eight years service, eves if he had no other re-
source. But he held anuther at the time of 3901. a
year—(Hear, hear!)—But that was not all. He had also two
other offices consolidated into one, fur which he wee paid by
poundage; the return did not say to what automat, but he
boa informed about 8001. • year, and certainly it mast bo
treastbiag considerable, for the same offices sufficed hereto-
fore fa two individuals. Now, be did say, that out a penny
of retired allowance ought to have bees gives in those two
eases, because they retired not from sickness, nor age, nor
long service, but from the abolitiuo of those offices from
necessity. The Cast of the Secretary of the Board of Con.
trul was also worthy of notice, whose salary had been
raised from 1,700/. to 3,2001. a year, and be had an allow.
suer besides as a colonial woad. The Hum. Gentleman is
hie speech bad not nosfised his reply lb remarks upon the
speeches of those who had spokes before him, but be also
addressed himself to mei ral others on that side, and par.
' titularly to him (Mr. B.), because they cheered the sotto-
' meet about the East ludic debt. In point of fact, he
I did think it curious that after chiming 5,060,0001. they
I should have been at last eonteutod with 1,800,0001. He did
sot mean to say That there was may thing unfair io the case ;
but there certainly was room, on hearing such a statement,
for • supposition that since 1,800,0001. was now • satisfac-
tory payment, they would have been greatly overpaid al the
original claim of s,ooo,oool.—(Laughter.)—He had never
mole stir istended to make any proposition that the pub.
lie creditors should not be paid, but he bad always
said, and he would contend fur it as a sound maxim
of financial policy, that Its best seesrity the public
creditor could have for the payment of his debt was
,from the followiug up r' gularly and strictly of a system
or ecteediy, rigid even to parsimony—(Hear,
that wr realer jeopardy could befal h.s claim, than the con-
jeut shade:ere receiveter
d, if byeegeri; would after
roat "c
al(he
it waserliainutratehratthMouigrt-
less, after the evidesce which had been given of their vast sn-
eakiest to rutted it—but be must say, however forced upon
them—of that roavoilable perhaps, but extravagant scatter
expeaddere libel was now followed.
After a few words from Mr. E. SMITH, the first Resole-
tioo was tweed to.
Os the second Resolution bring put—
Mr. GR EN FELL asked the Noble Marquis (Londonderry)
whether any steps had bees taken, as had been prornieml is
the last Session, towards procuring • settlement of the claims
of this country upon Austria, •nromiting, be believed, in
principal and iutere.i, to about 17,000,0001.?
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY assured the Honour-
able Member that a negotiation on She subject was now in
progress, from which, though be could not pledge himself
to the result, be certainly anticipated a favourable issue.
Whether favourable, however, or otherwise, the House had
tr rtaistly a right to be informed, and should have the earliest
iufoimatiuu of the result.

Sir J. NEWPORT wisbed the settlement might sot re-
semble dot of the East luilia debt.—(Leughter.)
The resulatioa was then @greed to.
0. the resolution for raising 400,0001. by lottery, Mr. J.
MARTIN expressed his determetatiou to take the mese of
the Hesse.
Me. HUME Reid, he had some hope from en expression
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer that he would give up ibis
resolution. He bad mentiuued the possibility of its being
abaedomed, coupled, it sas tree, with a hope t►at NOW
other tea would be substituted. But he (Mr. H.) thought
Ow u the Riglit Henourshk Genlietnitt bad a sarphis, he

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Iligiii te'ase'l to torero Si amjectiosehle a trade of mast/ hilt tat lie Malt) sat see *hal availing' elk WM
the sum of 1140,001 d. even without • sebstilele. Arotwifoin by Mopping the diffssiue of
alle;W:llMrilM had • emiandibjectloniertree, frees Hear, bear, knit) w- Petnier weerlibrgoinik
their ishlesey tonitiats es swab of the Del if we this cosi-airY had been involved, .
they were to be kept eft ho hoped the establlebilieekmould toe toMparalitrely asidtporlant
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be minket, ebetaged ; ler, from the list epee the to -he *hllll h was net likely that Mare would es* 311111
felted that sit the Commissioners of Lottbeies Mid Bet isbe there had arisen out of the French Revelation tel or/
dila to prevent their Secretary from brill returned IS ili principles. On the out baud there was she unbowed pri
public defaulter.—(Hear)
the other.—(H
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t 4 tiples of ebsofete prove.—(Hear, twin., berw)..-sed the pie&
elphs of unqualified reretutlou pit eert herna
hear.)—'Chat euutest he regretted, because it tesdar
Against It w .
' 'lstenillet. It wee mot with a view to arrest dm progress of I
illiblillise •• - • . weal& .i. i which all our efforts could not restrain, that he sd
The ether Besolelmart thee agreed hatillh inn, ! Ilse measure; but Upon the grounds be had stated, sodlibl
reesemeds swig Ise illopert ordered to 1111111111031111041111. , -Aim aby of the motives which hvd bete attributed to the
esommee. , - .4 nb•vel.../T UOVelltinttal, that be supported the motion for going into
• i ' '• •vi • 4.• ALIEN BILL m ,o)aimomm the Committee.
• Mr. PEEL anowad the Order of the boy tavillbsihmui •, • Mr. J. WILLIAMS said lie rose for the purpose of ex..
(ohm lute • Coaimitteeos the Alien Sllt 4,- • 1,-."1 resting a slootre sod well.eonsitiered eimositiop is thus
Mr. HOBIROUSE said that be bed, when geniffdasillid Bill. No ma. could doubt, that if this Bill passed now, it
was brought forward this Seseion, gives soder% that he would be euatinited lo ?inure; and'he felt the malt bumper-
should give it all the oppealtiou is his power; he meant that able oppositioa to the Bill. uo the very ground. span which
sort of opposition which it behoved a Representative of the it was recommended, namely, the responsibility of the Illi-
people to give to any measure which lie thought Injurious; sister. -The House were called upon to 111•1 • most
though is ISIS, if be bad reed the debates Of that period daillitml•o, b••••••• • disefeliessr7 power, •• the gvousd
•right, there'wes an honourable OCllitllllo 11110 had spoken that the power would not be abased. Is any single
tsL opposing bodily_ redeemer to the Bill—(he did Bert speech which was made in favour of that measure, there
H now see that Right eriourehle Gentleman Is his place)— had met been the most (Hemet inertias of necessity;
kilo that be was sot without • precedent, If he bad spokes Thep stated, indeed, that peradventure at some period or
r-itlf the moat unqualified animosities. He could assure the 'teatime some foreigner might arrive who would disturb the
Hosournble Geetlessan (Mr. Peel) that be never wit bliotiwrable relations between this coastry mad other steles.
mottiled dueler/ the *bole of the period that be bad But he would ask what insinuation was there of werewity
is 'palimpsests whew he found that It was his bikni*. now' sad he said that when that necessity attired) thee
bring forward this measure, when he beard the Right t would be the time to call tipon the House to great that
Illosoureble Gentleman say be wished for this measure as • 'I large discretionary power. This subject had beets argued
'measure of confidence—bit argument was simply this: ins the other side as if it were • mere legal question, but it
0 ore me the piper:, for I least it; give It me, and I wilt I' appeared to him to involve serious political considerations.
111:111
ant *belle it." Whew in 1792 the first !Wires introduced He looked upon it as • measure atectieg *be liberties of the
into the House, Mr. Bowie said it was to keep out of this country, ogee which every gentleman is the House was al
costar, the ilbesels revolutionary atheists; brat he sebum. well calculated to form an opinion as • lawyer. But even as a
!edged it was as aecessissa le the power of the Crown, and lawyer be was prepared to argue it. Any man who had ever
expressly said shot if the Crown had it lii time of were, it read the Coustitution must admit that the King atter bad
would be too greet tor liberty ' • bat the Right Honourable the power to send a subject out of the kingdom unless tee-
the Attorney-General for Ireland differed from him, sod 'lard of some offence. But tire Right Hoe. and Learned
coati-tided that it was a power which the Crown al. Geuttensee (Mr. Plunkett) lad taken the converse of that
ways had. It was is fact so great on alteration of the Condi. •rgnmeet, and reasoned upon the writ of as creel regno.
Nikon, that when the French Government declared war Bet he would remind that Right lion. end Leaned Gentle.
against us, that set was complained of as an infraction of mail of the opinion of no leas aWO 'ben Lord Chaseellor
the Treaty of Commews of 1768. Is 1801 the pretest was Talbot, pronounced a ',rotary ago,. " That there
to provide for ea expected state of hostility from the nista. bees • writ of 11l treat regno issued whhout a hilt being filed."
bility of the power of the First Cosset. It 1814 she insts. It appeared to him that the Right Hun. and Learued Member
bility of the Bourbon. was the pretext. He tiled these in. proceeded at as over-strained aaalogy. If aliens could be
stances to stew skit so alisister had ever yet asked for punished with the same severity for ao offence against the
these Bills without wipe atiegaihaw of special neceisily—. laws as as &globules; if besides this we have the power to
ante had ever asked tor kon osellieoce sliete. la 1814 ell"l bins the comely). Ilr the Crows Polossmd lima Prero-
. . . . .

Mr. Wiry Addington asked fur it for one year wily, sad the
Nab's, Lord opposite said be could net at eines dispense wi:h
all the precautioiary es whirl hod bees thought act
cessary; yet now, is 1821, the Minister of the Crows few
down and asked r this RIR es so temporary grimed, Bit
on sods • principle (if principle It coedit be called) as it
might be asked fur a continuance as .part esti tweet of the
law of the hied. In 18111 the Bill was eostempseaseess with
the ono patios of France by the Allied leap., sad seas not
to continue say longer. Is MO the Noble Lord opposite
talked no more of fereige danger ; the Bill was thee, be
said, solely a meamire of domestic policy; but be the. add.
ed, that the Bill would not be disagreeable to oar Allies.
After this detail, the House mast be aware that the Bill had
never yet beea proposed:to Farness/at os the simple ground
ghat it was now pet. During the whole of the debates, there
'ves only one Hon. Gentleman wits spoke owl,. and be was
now on the Beach. Mr. Justice OM did say, that be saw
nothing is the Bill to limit •it to say particular time
eirmlaress. When be (ler. Hoirlsowee) beard the Right
Rot. lienittary tent of Magma Charts, be felt as if be saw a
witch going to read the Lord's Prayer. When a moderi Se.
eretsry of State read Align' Chiefs it meet he backwards.
He (Mr. Hobbouse) coo Id not sudeeMesd hew be could twist
that document I. his favour, Tee belied dose it with some
success to those who had sot read lard. Coke's rem-
meat ea that passage. (The Hoosemble Member here
quoted the passage from Lord Coke] Yet the Right
Honourable Secretary had applied that passage (which
Lord Coke mid nicest so Ace of Parliament), to as Or-
der of Commit. The Right Hos. fiestlemes said
he would sot abuse She powers; bat he,selib-bis Hos. and
Learned Friend (Sir .1. Mackistosii), would my the law itself
is an abuse. He bad talked of his responsibility, but he
would appeal to his candour to Noy, If Mare was such a
thing as ministerial reipoesibility it war a esseindy. We
have bail nothing like It glace. the Revolstitio. la a coin.
firm of parties, a minister might be scat to the Town as
Lord Oxford was, or impeached, as Sir Robert Walpole was;
or be might beds as great deep.' as Lord North was; .but
this was sot the sort of responsibility to which the Right
Hon. Gentleman alluded. The Noble Lord bad talked of
the Right Honourable Secretary as one who was is carry
the prieciplee of liberty higher than ever. The Right
Honourable Geatleman must ezeose hire (set amain the
ligklee'. _
' that lie could

• lest personal offence), if he declared _ see
nutkiug iu him to reconsnseod this measure, but he could
see le his priocipks that which did net recomineod the mea-
sure to his►. As a contemporary of the He.. Secretary he
must say, that he saw in him oily a ?Collier dangerous to
the liberties of the country. He •Ilowed that the Right Hun.
Geutleinan was conscientious and consistent, but theft were
qualities which gave an edge and polish to those takuts which
as Now directed must be very detrimental to the liberties of
the e try. Had Lord anti himself, after his glorious

valve which has been conteuded for, be would ask, what was
the necessity of a legislative measure to invest Ministers
with this vast discretion before its beeesslty was shewa Id
exist? Therefore (with all due respect) the course pursued
by the Right lion. and Learned Gentleman appeared strange
to him, for his doctrine was not oily not borne out
by asalegy, but it possessed this other vice, that it
made a most triuniphaut argument against the Bill.—
He'weeld ask what there wit* in the appearance of the pre-
sent times to justify the measure? If we were tint at peace
now, would the Secretary of State hive the goodness to
state when it was likely that happy period would arrive.
The Honourable and Learned Gentleness then adverted to
the difference in former periods.' rhea the Bill was sane-
liaised, from the present. In 1793, what *am the state of
feeling in the country, when a member add( House (ffr.
Burke), then arrived at that time of life when imagination
gires place to cooler judgment,euuld have produced a dagger
and throw it on the 'emend as • justification of that Alien
.111111 what nest have been the
time, which could tolerate ao extravagant and theatrical as
exhibiliun—(Hear, bear)—But strong as were the arguments
against the Bill arising not of domestic circulast , they
'teem augmeeked and fertilled by the consideratios of other
-.ales. He would suppose a ease. Let him suppose (which
God avert) that the righteous teethe should be evereeme,and
that she inhabitants of Greece were drivel, from their cava-
lry; that, attracted by the.bistorical character of Ragland,
before Alien Bills had come lobo fashion, to sorb an asylum
fur the desolate and distressed from the evils which awaited
them, they widened the people of England, by whatever of
virtue or humanity remained, to assist them is recovering
their lost rights, and that then those men should be immured
is the dungeons of England, or driven back to bare their
necks to the daggers and poniards of their barbarian assas-
sins, and all from the dread that we should break off our ami-
cable relations with the Turks, or dissolve the tie by which
the Defender of the Faith was leagued with the grand enemy
to Christionity.—(Cheers.)—He wurld say, then, that this
was by no means an iesprubable case. The same psiacipte
which was applied to foreigners might be turned against oar-
aelVes. Make it once a precedent, and it will be full•wed.
What today was fact, becomes to•uaortuaa doctrine & and
on these grounds be should give the Bill his most determined
oppositieu.—(aseers.)

Mr. HUDSON GURNEY was ready to admit that it
would be most inexpedient that this country should heroine
the theatre of political intrigue for oilier sinks. But this
Bill was obnoxious, without being operative, aid be should
therefore oppose it.
The House then divided on the question fur ping Into •
Committee. The slumbers were-:
For the Committee 144
Against it 6O

.4 mot'. Ibiza ..a glo.,
career, kume slows nil asked for such • power, be (Mr.
Hubbouse), bad it been in his power, would have raised his
voice against it. It was said to be accessary fur our do-
mestic security, but he found only four persons against
whom the Bill had been brought io operation the hat two
years. Now, be would ask the Right Iluu. Gentleman, if
those three mu nod one old woman were seat oat of this
country on account of any plot or conspiracy that they were
engaged in ;Diatom the Goveronsent I The Right 800. Gent.
said, " But won't you guard against a great admitted evil I"
....To this be would say, as a French author said of the Holy
Roman Empire, " It was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor was
it an Empire." So he would say : It was not great—it was
cot admitted—it was out an evil. It was so assumption
to say, that there Ind been so abase, for Sir Samuel
Roundly had proved three or four iustemees of grievous
abuse, and if one only went hack a year and a half
it would be seen that the Allen Bill operated most injuriously
to the cause of justice io preveatiag Marietti from liming
to this country as a pitiless, la dread at the supposed oper-
ation of that Bill. The Hunurable and Learned Gentleman
(Mr. Plunkett) bad alluded to Mr. Prix, and intimisted that
be would have changed hie principles on this subject. lie
(Mr. H.) thought flint such as assertion was a libel upon
the dead. It was said there was a revolutionary devil abroad
al that time; but the devil (bat was abroad uow, I. the
language of the Poet, wse.-..
‘‘ Wiser than of yore,
" And tempts by making rich, nut making poor."
That was the sort of devil against whom it was necessary to
provide in the pretest day. He would, with the permission
of the Huse, quote a passage from • speech of (be Right
Hon. Geutleman at the head of the Board of Control, if it
would not be considered usihandeoete to quote it in his ab.
Bence —(Hear, bear.)—The Hen. Member here read a para.
graph, which stated, " that the sovereign authority exists
in the King sod Parliament, and if any Hon. Gisetlemaa
matulaisis the right of seudiog Ahems out of the country to be
in the Crown, be must maintain that the sovereignty was in
the Kiog alone." Mr. Hubboesecootinued: The Right Hon.
Geatlentan indeed gave an Were-80de proof from the reign of
Charles 11, that at that period, wbeo the prerogative was at
she highest, the King had not the power to seed • foreiguer
out of the country. A Frenchman had deprived him of ono
of his fa ire mistresses, sod afterwards appeared in 16.
utopia with her at the theatre le the King's presence, who,
to rid himself of the. sight of his autmenfel rival, wrote Ira'
the King of Prune, who recalled him. lie begged pardon,
for basing in long detained the Hume, but on a subject of
ouch importance be toasted to be excused.
*r. F. ROBINSON contended that when it was asserted
Om measure was brought forward under false pretences,
sad in subservience to foreign Powers, it ought to be ahewn
that there was some interest or advautage to be gained
by the country frost snub a coarse of cuudret. He con-

Majority B2
On onr return to the gallery, we fumed the House in a
Committee, discussing whether they should proceed further.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, he appreheeded
they weld lobo • Committee for some purpose. There was
but one blank to be filled up, and they had better pew*.
A few nights back a■ Hon. sod Learued Geotlenise typo.
site (Mr. Brougham) had objected to the practice of Watt.
log off • discussion; and as they would have two other op.
perterrities to discuss the principle, they bad better go oe.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, ►e objected to breaking off a de-
bate, because it was an efronioate piacticr, but the present
clause opened the door to quite a new
Mr. P. MOORE raid, it was perfectly tree they only
worried to 811 up one blank, but that went to ratify all the
clauses of the former Bill. The best course would be to
discuss the clauses seriatim, as if the 11111 had ■ever been
ietrodueed before.
Mr. HOBHOUSE then proposed that Its duration be
limited to one year.
Mr. DENMAN sold, he must oppose that amendment, for
he was so opposed to the principle of the Bill, that lw could
not sanction its existence for ne hour.
The Committee then divided (as we understood) on the
proposition for reportiug progress. The numbers were—
for reporting progress. 37
Agaiust it 144
Majority lO7
Another division took place while we were excluded, on
the original motion fur fixing llskideration of the Bill fur two
years. The slumbers were—
For the Motion.
Against it bb
Majority 7O
While strangers were excluded from the gallery, we under.
stand no amendment was moved to the preamble of the Sib
by Mr. Biougham, on which a discussion took place, is
which the Marquis of Londonderry, Sir Jobe Newport, and
Sir James Mackintosh, took part. On our reedusissiee ors
found the Committee discussing the aoseedosest, the precise
nature of which we could not ultimo, in which Mr. Wetti►nll,
Mr. Alderman Heygate, Mr. Searlett, Mr. Peel, Mr. William
Smith, Mr. Denman, Sir Robert Wilson, Mr. Richard Mar.
the, and Mr. Brougham took part. Strangers wereordered to
withdraw, but the Committee did not divide. We under-
stood the amendment was negatived. On our re. admission
, into the gallery, the House bed rei.unied, and the Report of
the Committee was ordered to be brought up ou Friday
next.
Mr. WESTERN stilted, that according to t►e notice of
the nowise be had gives for Wednesday, relative to the cur-
tench be would present his Resolutions en that day fee the

Impose at ilbele bring printed, es to drip a* be le pea
entrion of the House.
• The Idaretaid e 4 LONDONDERRY ealdk he had eireir
!retie* le the corm prepered by the Hee. Member.
The ether Orders et the Day Sere Mee diopeard ef end
the Haab* adjeareed 04 a OIUARTER, TWd
O'CLOCK.

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liidni ,iiisi. &Akita', J. C. 'Scott, J.
Brougham H. 'moist G P. SeSright. RI, I.
Butterworth, J. Marjoribanka, S. Smith, W. •
Barham, J. Morland, Sir 3. Srarlrtt, J.
Bernal, R. Martin, J. %Valium, W.
Benyon, R. Moore, P. Williams, Jutrit
Coaeannon, L.. Macdosabl, J. Whitbread, W. a.
Calcraft, J. Newport, Sir J. Whitbread, S. C.
Dittman, t. Palmer, F. Wilson, C.
Great 11, P. Paruell, Sir H.
Graham, S. Ricardo, D. I'ELLEIR,
Halchinsoa, Hots. Smith; G. mu., I.
C. H.* Smith, J.