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JOURNALS OF THE HOUSE.

Mr. HUME roselocall the attention of the House to the
subject of the Journals of the House. A practice prevailed
of copying the Journals in manuscript, at an expense which
he thought, by the introduction and improvement of the art
of printing, might well he saved.
The SPEAKER said, the suggestion of the Hon. Weathe►
might be ■ subject for consideration on She ground of expe-
diency, but could be oone on the rotted of economy. The
expense of copying the Journals was defrayed out of the
fee. formerly received by Mr. Helsel', under his patent, but
now appropriated to the payment of the salaries and other
expenses; after which, if there were any surplus, that was

!paid to the Consolidated Fusel; but if there were any deli-
Money, t►at was supplied by a vote of the House from she
same fund. Formerly the Journals of the House were rarely
prepared lb.. printing within a year of the (orient Session,
but the sermigements which had been adopted within a few
l.ottars, enabled do m to be kept up within a very short
IperNod l and the additional expease dial not exceed from
1 well 1001. to 2001. With respect to the exprdiettcy, it should he
centeekelereel, before it were rashly determined to litt sway
with the tallying, how far that degree of accuracy ilia the
Journals, which was desirable and even necessitty for theist '
to posies*, as records, could be attained without it. For
this purpose, great care, pains, mid labour, were requisite,
I and Hon. Gentlemen much deceived themselves if they iris-
giiied that the volume of the Journals could be printed with
sufficient accuracy fur the purposes of record, notwith-
standing the pales employe!, and the degree of perlectims
to which printing had been carried, (ruin the ducumeata
welded off-hand for the use of Members.
Mr. HOB.HOUSE presented a Petition from certain bibs-
Wants of Westminster, in favour of the 111-Treateneut of
Norse' Bill.—Ordered it, be laid vu the table.
BREWER'S IN SCOTLAND.
Lord A. HAMILTON presented a Petition from certain
Brewers of Edinbutgh, praying for the repeal of the Acts
requiring Accounts and Certificates of the Sale of Beer.—
Ordered to be laid on the table.
Lord A. HAMILTON then rose to call the attention of
the Right Hon. Gentleman to the Acts referred t.i in the
above Petition. He requested the House to eb erve that
the Act its question was tine already passed, sod his ohj,ct
was to obtain the repeal of certain clauses therein, which he
coasidered as nuarcessory and inquisitorial, said highly pre.
judicial to the interests of the persons engaged in an impor-
tent branch of trade. The Act had not been printed anal
circulated among the Members of the House. The clanws
to which he alluded were those which rupaireel that in every
hrewbouse a book should be kept of printed certificates of a
particular form, one of which they were to seed out with
every parcel of ale or beer *old, filled up with the partitulare
of the quantity, quality, and description of the ale or beer
sold, and the names of the purchasers, louder a penalty of
20Ot. He contended that by this clause the brewers were placed
rowdy at the mercy and discretion of the I -sty aged cor-
rectness of their @eremite, fur it was impossible that they
themselves should know any of the particulars of such ale
or beer as they send out for sale to such of their costumers
as may be disposed to purchase it without any previous or-
der. The Right Hon. Gentleman perhaps might contend
that the clause might be partially euforce el; but he (Lord
A. H.) denied that the Treasury bad flay power to order the
partial enforcement of any Act of Parliameut. Whatever
might be the nature of any Aet, it was incumbent sin those
whose duty it was to carry it into execution, to enforce it in
the form in which it was passed. The Act ought either to
be executed or repealed ; and as the CiAII•CS to Vidal he had
called the attention of the House could nut be fully carried
into execution without excessive hardships on the brewer,
he felt it his duty to mine their repeal. He, therefore,
moved for leave to brine in a Bill to repeal the clauses cal the
Act (I and 2 George IV. cap. 21), requiring accounts and
certificates of the ask of beer.
Mr. MAXWELL seconded the motion. The clauses of
the Act were of a most inquisitorial nature, and were loudly
complained of in Scotland.
Mr. BkIGHT said, he had received many applications
complaining of the operation of the elauees of the Act in
question, and from leis OWII view of its provisions, be
thought them so objectionable that he should give his sup-
port to the motion of the Noble Lord.
Mr. HUME also suppoatedabe Audios, anal animadverted
ott the manlier In which Treasury Bills were brought in and
berried through the House at late hours of the night, in
such a manner that but few Members were ever acquainted
with them. He wondered instances were not more frequent
of the necessity of repealing the regulations imposed in such
Bills, considering the little examination they underwent,
until they were actually in operation.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, if it
were await to him that the Act in question would be pro-
ductive of any inconvenience to the trade, which was not
far outweighed by the greater security which the
derived from it, lie should by nu means be disposed to ob-
ject to its repeal. But he was convinced that any person
to whom the clause in question was submitted and ex-
plained, would see that no such incouvenience could result
to the trade as had been supposed; and be therefore could
not agree to the motion of the Nolile Lord. Many of the
brewers who at first complained of the clause, upon having
it properly explained to them had been completely satisfied
that it would sot be productive of the inconvenience which
they had first apprehended. The Right Hun. Gentleman
then proceeded to explain the IN in which the clause
would operate, but from the low tune of voice in which he
spoke we could not collect a distiuct idea of his explanation.
We understood him, however, to stateohat the difficulty with
respect to the beer sent out for sale without previous order,
which seemed to be the ohjectiou must particularly relied
on, would be entirely removed by not requiring the certifi-
cates to be filled up until this beer was actually sold and
delivered.

Mr. ABERCROMBY said, when he presented a Petition
the other day, from • very numerous body of the class of
persons who felt themselves aggrieved by the clause, be
suderstood the Right Hon. Gammen, certainly nut as giving
a distinct pledge, but u holding ust a hope that the objec-
tion would be removed. If be were assured that the con-
'inaction pet on the Art by the Chancellor of the Exchequer
were that which would he acted epee in Scotland, he agreed
with the Right Hon. Gentleman in thinking, that in that
ease the objection would be removed; but the House should
recollect that the Act would operate, sot according to the
interpretation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but se-
cordiag to that of the Judges of the Courts is Scotland; and,
therefore, they were to look ■t what the interpretation of
those Judge* was likely to be. Now, when it was seen that
the Aet required certificates to be filled up before the
beer was sent out, with certain particulars, among which
were the names of the purchasers, it was difficult to sup-
pose that a Judge in a Court of Law would feel htm.
self at liberty to decide that all those requisites specified
in the Act ought not to be complied with. What was the
feeling of the trade on the subject That was sufficiently
evident from the Petitions un the table. The brewers
throughout Scotland declared, that, if the Act was enforced,
it would put air end to a great part of their business; for
every Gentleman connected with the country knew that a
very considerable portion of the beer sold by the brewers was
sent oot in drays, to he disposed of to customers who might
fe. I inclined to tracheae, and nut on orders previously re-
ceived And fur sot filling up the certificates with the names
of such customers, rod the quantity, quality, and age of the
beer sold, &c. the brewers were made liable to a penalty of
2001. If the whole of the fine went to the Goverumeet, the
interpretation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer might go
for something, as they might, i■ ease of conviction, call
upon him to remit the floe ; hut one half went to the in-
forme►, over whom the Right Hon. Gentleman could have
so control, and therefore, if the Judges should put a diffe.
rent eouattnetion un the Act, the greater part of the brewer,
would be left entirely at the mercy of common informers.
Lord A. HAMILTON said, the question appeared to be
one purely of the difference between bins and the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, as to the construction of the Act. Under
these cireumi.lancem be would not press his motion. The
Right Hun. Gentleman might be right in bin construction of
the Act; if so, no harm would be done; but if he were
wrong, then all the blame of the incouveuience and injury to
the trade must rest with him.
Mr. ABERCROMBY asked whether the clause would be
strictly enforced in Seethed, or whether directions would
be give, that it should be interpreted according to the con-
struction of the Right Hoe. Gentleman
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, in-

Mr. HORN OUSE said, there were other clauses much more
objectionable than that which the Right Hos. Geotlemen
had agreed to remove, and bi hoped such ■n arrangement
would be made by the Treasury with the Trade, as to induce
the latter to withdraw their opposition ; es, if a debate
should take piece on lbe Bill, at this advanced period, the
Right Hon. Gentleman must be aware that it would be im-
possible it should par this Session.
Lord G. CAVENDISH preseeited a Petition from the
Retail Traders of the Town of Ashlinruham, in Sus ex,
complaining of the iejory done to their trade, by persons
from other parts exposing fur sale on open stalls goods not
of their OWN manufacture, sad praying that such persons
way be subjected to the provisions of the Hawkers and
Pedlars Act.—Oidered to lie on the table.
The Exrbeqeer Bills for Public Works Bill was read a
second lime, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.
The Isle of Man Trade Bill, the Stuck Cancelling Bill,
and the Silk Bounties Bill, were severally reported, and
ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
The Collectors of Customs (Ireland) Bill, and the East
India Private Trade Bill, were read a third time and passed.
REPORT OP SUPPLY.
The Order of the Day for the further considera-
tion of the Report of the Commit'ee of Supply nu
then read.

The rote of 1,0681. 4s. 71d. for making good the
deficiency of the grant of last Session, for printing
the 75th volume of the Joarnale, was agreed to.
Ou the motion bring read for granting 15,400/.
for the salaries or the Judges, and other expenses
of the Insolvent Debtors' Court—

Mr. H. G. BENNETT rose, and said he could not
help thioking the salaries of the Judges in this
Court enormous, particularly if contrasted with
those of the Magistrates who had the conduct of
the Police of the Metropolis. While those persons,
who sat from mortiing till night in their offices
every day without relaxation, in the performance of
a most laborious and unpleasant duty, received a
salary of m►ly eioo/. a yea►, many of the gaoler• in
the country were ►eceiving as much or nmb: he
could not but think that at 2,0001. a year the r•hirt,
and 1,5001. each the other Judges of the li►sule.,,t
Debtors' Court, were much overpaid, and he should
divide the House upon it.
Mr. BERNAL said, if the temptation of a Inure
salary would always ensure the selection of the
most proper persons for the office, l►e should most
willingly agree to double the salary. He objected,
however, to the Judges of any Court being allowed
either to hold any other situations or to practice
professionally in other Courts.
Mr. Hume said, the vote embraced two quell.
lions ; one of economy, and the other of expe-
diency. He was sore that the House, ma the esta-
blishisient of a new Court, would not vote so large
a salaty for the Judges, if it were understood that
they should either ►etain other offices, or continue
to prornee in their profession.
Mr. Caugueir said, lie understood that the sa-
lary of the Chief Justice of Chester was
and those of the pursue Judges ul the same CUNIt.

1001. He should like to know on what principle
the Judge■ of the Insolvent Debtors' Court claim.
ed to be placed un so much better a scale of emote
lument.

Mr. Mosta( said, the attendance of the Judges
of Cheater was only required in their Court twice
a year. while those of the Insolvent Court were in
attendance *boost every day. He did not think
the salaries too great. but he should have expected
them to give up private practice.
Mr. Serjrunt (Immo* supported the Resolution.
Mr. GassiFlLL said, that as the question was to
be brought before the House next Session, he hoped
an inquiry would be merle into the propriety of
ruining the salaries of the Police Magistrates, us
vothiog in leis minima could tend so much to ensure
the obtai ll i l of efficient persons.
Mr. CALCRAYT said, he Pow no reason to think
the salaries too large. Formerly there were in that
Court but one Judge, and he hail a salary of
000/. a year ; then it was found expedient to in..
crease the 'somber, and it was thought the salary
not too large to induce Gentlemen of capacity and
knowledge to undertake the office. It by no means
followed that because the Police Als.„ostrates had
too little, that the Commissioners of the losolvent
Debtor.' Court had too notch. Ile thought the
Police Magistrates much underpaid, and lie was
turpri.ed that such efficient men could be got to
till the office. Flo always considered it good
economy in the administration of the affairs of a
coositry to wake a liberal allowance for public,
p.rticularly jothcial stations, in order to obtain
proper and Oleo-sit persons.
M. ARERGROMBY said, that from the interest he
11.r1 taken in the success of iliat Court, he had fre-
quent communication with Mr. Reynolds; and
whatever might he the &Airs of Mr. Harris or Mr.
Rower), he thought the time Mr. Reynolds liad to
devote to his office was wholly incompatible with
general practice at the bar.
Mr. H. G. BENNETT said hr should yield to the
general wish of the Hott•e, and not press it to a
division.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL said that Mr. Rey-
nolds hail given up general practice at the bar.
The vote wan teen passed.
A message was presented from the Lords, re-
questing a copy or the correspondence on the extra

boat.
ALIEN ACT.
The sum of 5,7351. I'. tiJ. wis then proposed
to di hay the esherwts of the Alien and Suprran-
nuation Office.
Sir K. Vl'll.sost said, that this vote haJ passed
the Committee without any downtown, u though
lie dol not kuow any one inure objection:o,lc, not
iri priii4 of amount, but its application. lie eon-
eriv,d the Alien Act a disgrace to the country.
In France, although they had the poi:er to refuse
passports, y• t no foreigner could lir icuntred
uadvss lie had rendered himself obnoxious in some

1111 cutler. lie had •Iso the power or puvetha.,,,g
nor did his property go at his death to the
Government, lie had the poser to di,pose of it as
be thought trooper. But now this Act existed it;
E.igland, in the 7 h year of price, which re-
flected opprohr. and disgrace upon the coun-
try.—(Hour, hear, hear.)--lii Spain, under the
hew Government, • Decree »as issued. stating—
" that the Spanish territory should be an asylum tOr
all foreign rs." The Hon. and gallant General then
adverted to the ca.e of Madame Moonlit's, and others.
to point out the evil consequences resulting front
this oppressive Act. During the late trial, when
an individual had applied to a person in Italy re-
specting evidence in favour of her Majesty, it ap-
peared that Col. Browne had threatened the father
of the indisitloal (M. Marietti, a most respectable
gentleman) that he should have the law put iu
force. Every foreigner with whom he conversed
entertained apprehensions respecting this law. The
House would recollect the case of an old French
Priest, 70 ycats of age, who although labouriug
u.ider illness, would not be allowed to laud iu
England. Upon all these grounds be should op-
pose the grant.
Mr. HoanousE said, he agreed MO perfectly in
all that had fallen from his Hun. Friend, that he
cou'd not give a silent vote. He considered the
Alien Act and the Forego Enlistment Bill as part
s.f that system of policy which the Noble Marquis
had entered into when he entertained a higher opt.
Ilion of his illustrious Allies than he did at prevent,

fur the Circular of the Noble Marquis and other
tiantactions demonstrated that be did not think so
favourably of them--
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY" No! no!"
Mr. Hoationsit—This was only his deduction
from the conduct of the Noble Lord, but if it
were not the case he was sorry for it, for he stood
almost alone in his opinion. If the House would
Flow him, he should tell them an anecdote that
occurred to himself at Milan, illustrative of his ar-
guinea :--happening to be one night at the theatre
at Milan, in company with au English physician, a
Captain in the grenadiers stood immediately before
them, with his cap on, and prevented them from
seeing well. H s friend asked him to take off his
carrupoi. which the Captain said something rude.
Hit friend, the Doctor, immediately beckoned to
bun tO follow him out, which he did; they of
course expected some kind of encounter, when, to
their great surprise, the Doctor was immediately
hooded over to the guard, and put into custody.
Ile (Mr. ilohhouse) happening to know Count
Salo, the Governor of Milan, waited upon him, and
was received with great politeneas; sod lie told him
the Captain found himself obliged to du so, being
ou guard ; but, added he, " are you not aware the
same thing could be done in England, wider the
Alien Act? Lord Castlereagh would have dune pre-
cisely the same thing."—(Hear.)--He (Mr. H.) said
he was sure his Lordship would do no such thing.
Be mentioned this circumstance to chew the
opinions that are entertained abroad of this Act,
a::d that not by the common people, but by men
ill office. This measure was so execrable that the
very persons employed to carry it into effect neglect-
ed to do it ; and the terror entertained by foreigners
respecting it was well described by his Honourable
Fr.et.d (Sir R. Wilson). He therefore hoped that
msuy Gentlemen would be found un both sides of
the House to oppose it.
Mr. CLIVE had inquired into the case of Madame
Mootillon, and it was quite different front the °pi-
won that had gone abroad. He had a conversation
with the medical gentlemen who attended her child,
stud it *as nut at her request, but at the request of

the Captain of the ship, who observed the child to
look ill. The child did not die in two or three days,
but two or three menthe after her removal, and
Madame Mootilloo had eepressed herself in terms
of gratitude.
Sir R. WiLSON explained.
Mr. BRRNAL said, as the House was now hold.
ing out encouragement to other nations to establish
a wide and liberal footing, we should begin by abo-
lishing this odious measure. Every day there were
declarations and counter-declarations from different
Governments, and the time might come when the
Government of this country should wish to give
way to the feelings of humniiiit and violate this
law. Hr wished to know whether any paper had
been issued by Austria on this subject.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said it was the
constant practice of the Hoot. and gallant aroma
(Sir R. Wilson). whenever the word " alien" was
mentioned, to call for the attention of the House.
But he hoped he was not serious in making this
the night of contest. The Alien Act had only one
sear more to go, and then the Hon. and gallant
General would have an opportunity of trying the
opinion of the House. With respect to the ques-
tam of the Hon. Gentleman (Ur. Bernal) he could
only say, he heard of no such paper. He could
not agree to the construction given to his conduct
by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hohhouse) with re-
spect to the Allies ; he could net concur in the gene-
ral doctrine laid down by them, bat he acqu.tied
them of ally disposition of any thing further than
a desire to meet the evils they saw around them.
With resspect to the general nature of this law, he
must inform the House, that it was not intended
for the accomrondstion of any foreign Power, nor
did it deny to any stranger that asylum which be-
came the hospitality of Englishmen to b-stow ;
nod when it could be shewn that au iiidividu it was
removed on account of his previous conduct in ally
other country, !hell be should admit the law was
abused. But when foreigners made this cou,itry
the seat of their optio•itiiiii to other Powers, this
country owed it to itself to put the law in force.
However, next year the Hon. and gallant General
could have au opportunity to bring the whole ar-
tillery of his argument to bear upon the subject.
At present he was wasting his fire, not upon the
priticiple of the measure, but the persons employ-
ed in the Allen Office.

Sir JANES MACKINTOSH 89141, it was now too
late io the S, swims to bring f.rw.rd a specitie
lion on the subject, but he viewed it vri•ti the
uirelog abhorrence, and as they had tio means to
crush it, the best course to pursue would be to
strrse the monster to death, by withholding the
memos of it. subsistence. lie was the more dis-
po.eil to oppose it on the statement of the Noble
.Marquis. If it were intruded to be temporay on
*copula of the present state of Europe, there never
was a period alien it was less necessary. All the
governments from which fugitives would fly ware
victorious, Nal if ever thew were a time when it
should be repealed, it was uow, through compas-
sion to these fugitives. He VI.IS rather surprised
the N,ible Lord did riot adopt the construction put
upon hi, feelings towards the Allied Omen', who
were now disposed to put down, by force of sums,
all opposittou to existing governmead..—f Hear.)
The lion. 11. G. BENNETT srid it was not his
intention to speak of the general policy of the pre-
sent measure, but there was one circumstance to
which he wished the attention of the Noble Lord.
Duiing the late disturbances a gentle.nsir and his
sun, with whorls he was well acquainted, took re-
fuge in a S,anish ship, and Sir %Vm. A'Court wait-
ed on them, and expressed the deepest regret that
they should be alarmed. He prevailed on them to
come ashore, and the moment they did, they were
arrested, and put into one of the worst prisons in
Italy. He wished the matter to be explained, and
some directions he given to Sir Win. A'Court, for
no innocence or no youth could escape the ven-
geance of that Lazzaronian King.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he felt him-
self called upon to reply to the Hon. Gentleman,
lest his silence should be considered us assenting
to what he should always, consider an abase of the
privileges of that House, namely, u personal at.
tack upon illustrious Sovereigns. With respect to
the transaction alluded to lie never heard one word
about it, arid no King could be more revered or
esteemed by his subjects than the Kiug of Naples.
Mr. BENNETT hoped the Noble Lord would
make it his business to inquire.
Lord LONDONDERRY said, that he always con-
sidered it his duty to pay every attention to any
cominunication from our Ambassador. but he did
not think it necessary to apply to Sir Wm. A'Court
on the subject.
Mr. BENNETT deprecated the slightest idea of
casting the least reflection upon Sir Win. A'Court,
with whom he was personally acquainted, and fur
whom he entertained a high respect. He was cer-
tain, however, the truusactiou alluded to had
occurred,

Lord MILTON said, that no rebuke from the
Noble Lord should ever prevent him from express.
ing his opinions upon the conduct of any foreign
Mciaarch.
The Hon. C. HUTCHINSON agreed with the Noble
Lord upon the impropriety of making an attack
upon any illustrious individual, when he was sort
present to make his defence. This was u principle
upon which he should slways act. The principle
acted upon in this country should in his opinion be
acted upon with respect to foreign Kings, namely,
that Ministers, and Ministers only. should be made
responsible for their acts. He could not, however,
close his eyes to the conduct of the King of Na-
ples. Have we not seen him compelled to quit his
capital at the mandate of other Sovereign., amidst
the greatest difficulties and the most unseasonable
part of the year, and compelled by them (tor lie
could not tibia it was a voluntary aci) to violate
the oath be had solemnly taken to his subjects,
to support the Constitution lie bud given them ?
He dirt nut wish to say any thing disrespectful to
this King, but it was impossible, with uil his
anxiety, to visit the acts of Sovereigns upon their
Ministers, sod its this feeling he knew his Hotioura.
We Friend (Mr. Bennett) fully participated, to wit-
ness such conduct without animadversion. [Here
the Hun. Gentleman was interrupted by cries of
" Question 1"] He was Hot surprised that Gentle-
men who came down to that House determined to
support the Noble Moulins upon every occasion
should cry "Question I" He was nut surprised that.
after they had day after day presented Petitions Iv

that House, stating the distresses of their consti-
tuent., and having been themselves instrumental in
creating this distress by supporting the Noble Lord,
and after voting such exorbitant supplies in the
present year, they shouid now be callous to the
honour sod interests of their country.—/Hear.)—
He thought his Honourable Friend (Sir R. Wil-
son) perfectly right in opposing this system of
tyranny, for such he should call it, what was so
prejudicial to the cause of liberty every where. He
felt persuaded there was a combination between
the Sovereigns of Europe to put down liberty
wherever she made her appearance, and the Noble
Lord had. by the line of argument he adopted in
that House, seemed dispo.ed to favour their dispo-
sitions; but he hoped and believed there was in
the progress of the human mind a growing resolu-
tion to shake off the yoke of tyranny, and although
they might for a time be repressed, they would
ultimately succeed in establishing, the sacred cause
of lit►erty.—/l:heers.J—Flt nislied, before lie rat
down, to ask the Noble Lord whet her the statement
respecting the Rev. Clr rgyman were true.-for if
tin; the House should tint separate without passing
a vote of censure upon the grant. He begged par-
don for trespassing upon the House, but he never
could suffer this question to pass, without express-
ing his abhorrence of so odious a system.--(fkar.)
The I louse then divided--

Fur the Reso •••••).•• • 44
Agaiwit it
Majority TY
Sever succeeding Resolution• were agreed to
without di,cussiou.

Sir Q. 11. I LSO N presented • Petition from LlT-
bed, in support of the Cruelty to Animals Bill.—
Ordered to be prune,..