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HENRY HUNT.

Mr. Alderman WOOD whaled to ask the:trivets?, of Stale
wbcther he ►od say objection to lay before the Howe the
torrespaildewce *hick, had lamed Iw4wies ban sad Mo.
Haut on the 'object of Mr. Rust's treatment during' his ism.
prisonment
Mr. PEEL said, that on general principles be should ob-
ject so submitting the correspondence to the Howse ; hut if
it were meant to be the futoodatium of any motion of the
Hon. Alderman" he should consent to produce the corm.
Fondest,.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thee
moved the Order of the Day that the House do re•
solve itself into • Committee of Supply.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought that in pursuance
of sn order made the last Session, the granting of
supplies should not commence until all the esti-
mates were before the House.

The CHA EcELLoa of the EXCHEQUER said. that
he believed the Army and Navy Fabiaules were
already before the House.
Mr. Hums had no objection to go into the Com-
mittee. but he should object to any vote of money
until they had the 'sing/sun% before theta. It was a
strange circumstance that until lust year the House
never had estimates before than of the mariner,
which contained 6,000 men. He should hke to
know why they should not be in possession of the
number ofofficers who held sinecures in that ser-
vice. He saw a gallant officer before him in that
service, and he should be sorry to deptive him of the

Mr. Hums observed, that as the two Exchequer's
were now united, he saw no reasou why the Governs-
/134.0t should pay the Bank of Ireland 4 per cenr.
for money that could have been obtained hew fur
3 per cent.
Ile CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hums) had anticipated
him in what he was going to remark upon that sub-
ject—for he meaut to propose that these bills
should be paid off, in order that the saving alluded
to by the Hon. Member might be effected.
Mr. Hume said, if that were the object, he had
no objection to the grant.
Mr. GitEurittl. wished to know if that were the
intention of the Government on future occasions ?
The CHANCSLLOR of the EXCHEQUER slate
that the whole should be taised in the Engli.
market at the English rate, and the reason that s
not done sooner was, for fear that if the /Do,
were raised in the English market, it might t
the price of the whole.
After an ohs bon from Sir J. NEWPORT
Mr. Hums, the House resumed. The Repar
ordered to be teceived to-morrow. WSW
COURTS OF LAW.
Mr. SCAILETT wished to ask the Choner
Ear el'
the Exchequer when they were to expect •
tart:
Coqrts ready for public business? At Net
:et tlist•
were merely at the will of the Magistrates
of
dlesea.

Tht CHANCELLOR of the EECHEQUF
a • state-1
that it Vire in euriumplation to have Cout
ert vitt]
as soots as possible.
Mr. SCA KLETT remarked, that he ura!
eratood-the
new Courts would not be complete for
kree.yesrs,
although ninth larger buildings were
tfinimed ear
one. However, to that he should la
no.otrjer-
tiou, if there was any hope that in t;
Una
the old Courts could be fitted up in
tratrorary,
manlier, which would not be silent' sa
PI great
espense.
. The conversation then dropped.

CONSERVATOR or ROYAL. BURGH!
Lord A. H Axilrots rose, put, lON 'SCOT It N I).
move for a copy of the sppotiitr sottt -to notice, to
Ferrier. Esq. io the office of I stet' of A ltrieder
Privilege* of the Royal Burghs ° Aseervator of the
object which I.e had in view in of *Milli tad. T!ie
wiwiking this inotton
woo, not Irving aware of any
Royal Burghs lied to preserve privileges which the
rettaiis before the Route tit, , AA finding by the
to this office was WO/. per u ,t the saltily annexed
might kuow what theofici,, Amin, that the Ifou..e
4 duties were, and II tut

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*es the amount in salaries and emolnments of every
hind derived from it. His attention hod been
called to the subject by the recent appointment or
• person to fill the vacancy of the office. He had
heard. b•t did not know the fact. that the appoint-
.

rim he could hove but little' objection. If it
...turn lit that the saLery at 2Q0i....1tA1l still_
;NI IfibirTd hold 'Sir, '.
ett
t•• rent ' Yeettecttng.:the 'conduct of his
Mitially'es ieterlt In` Mill *tinning.. the alitte;
7•-•boi• IF it skald rani Eat, front
_eAy etkplarktiou .
.lebbilleggat be deco 'Mm the otlits, side of She
• : iSioteree; that lid celery dal Weeildll.-Or. ti.lelided' to
• he... reretted4ty' the oresiot 'hoblir; he -Weld not
'Toontinue td heM thtesanse oXetion la the afipt...
• ..' Meru rehich•he then felt. 'therefore concluded
:11* moving for 11' cdiiy Of the *Sktfkriaa.lment in
.1101Nslien.
•'t the Lear Awvoc in 'rooi'lii)`tliF 0;4144 'of
• - 'bring what he was suet initiate' give sitisfaCtion 'to
..lithe Noble Lord, that no salary whatever had been
tiertigned, er was intended to be 'given tp the person
•Nerso ' now heM' the Ace in queititti. The oaks.
• Mae eatahlitherlid ITSO. at wltich time certain priii.
.legert were enjoyed !tee the' Roy'!.
Iltirgter.Uf Scot.
Lad, .which were it olidied in 179 D. l'hiei.itill,
• however, remained the record of -.054 precgediags.Of
....the oflictof the Conservator, whieh was a. 4aluable
'deeelDent, and one that it was of importance to
• weserm, the preservation of 01401 rrnsaineld.' Can-
.dteled to the charge of the Coneervitor. —There
-same also certain fueds of which he had•theCOL.
'4ll,ion.
wear' Wm. CURTIS raid, if there were stir tbing
.Itopeoper in the appointment of the person who now '
• 410/t1 the office. he must take a share of the blame
tapes himself, as it was on his application, at the
loom of that inclosidual, whom he judged to be
-ireily way qualified for the bade. that the .Noble
"bed then at the held of t 1 lirkießepOitment
• taide the appointment. ''''":"" ' ' -' . '
Mr. A seacaO‘li pike, it, be, understood. cer-
vectly What the Nohle mid Learned Lord had said,
it "woe this, that all the rights of the, Scottish
ilitrght. whatever were at an end. and that there
was only • record remaining of 'proceedings relating
to these tights, which it *milt! office of the con-
servator to preserve. In that cam he thought, that
all the purposes of the office could hemitch better
•effketed by the rernovel itf that docnmetit to mane
owl of the public officer, :tirlace i 4 tesill.g.rerolin in
inik'devolit.' 'oda averse old !vtrieritleamid at all
'Weer to be hid It rot iiitAtioritiqii for winch it
*toil he wanted. '.!
• 'Mr. Phut.' timid; 'Hie 'Noble' 'UM lately et the'
hhild of the Home Deparimeut, Ili making the sp.!
11111111Insent, ford no intention that any eJary whai-i'
aige should be received byrthe person when) he soh
"Anointed: ' bet he m•d'e it hem* he Understand!
that three were some' tondo, the preservatino till
ss*ieh required the appointment of such en officeo.,
' ' 'Sir .J N Immo! to ppottelliAtot Applioft ameich
'Wei agreed to.
COMMISSARIAT COURTS S SO LAND.
Lord A. HAMILTON amid. that the subject of the
motion which he now rose to make. porsoent to the

notice which be had given, WRO one on which he en-
teat/tined a eery different opinion of the conduct of
Ministers from what he did on that which, had just
Lieu disposed of. He was about to move for leave
to hying in a Bill for the abolition of several offices
in Scotland; and he should not have charged him-
•••4l witty the responsibility of such an undertaking,
if be were not assured that the House would feel
the.prowiity of the inensere, and if the lousiness
'were net in great part already prepared to his hand.
The offices in question bad been reported upon by
two separate Convmiesittes as offices that ought to
be sholiahed.—(Hear, hear.)—He should address
the observations with which he felt it necessary to
trouble the House to three Pointe The na-
ture of the offices; td, The grounds on which he
°moved their abolition ; and 3(1, The means by which
he proposed to abolish them. The origin of these
offices was to he Ira: ed far back in the history of
the country. They were remnants of ecclesiastical •
jarialiction, and were twenty-three in number.
The number of officers attached to them was
*3 Commissaries, 23 Comtnaaariea' Clerks, end
twenty-three Procurators Fiscal, who were not
paid by Government, but by the sulicci, by
extracting, from the pockets of the people un-
atrranilible and extortionate sums for fees. In
11118 a commission was appointed, which (lid not
report on the subject till 1810. But from that
time his Majesty's Ministers and the successive
Lards Advocate had been most culpable in not
raking soy steps towards their abolition ; the pre-
broittord Advocate, perhaps, it was but fair to say,
was the least culpable on that score, as having he'll
the shortest time in office. in 1810 the Cumulus-
sum,- coninosed of the heeds of all the Courts of
Scoirenti, and the LOrd Advocate, made thee;4laer
port to these words :
otitlerse Commisinierra having mtwaidered the gesseal
rimmed, in the areouirstantes of Scotland siure the establish-
ment of those jurisdictions, IMP of opinion, and do report,
shah those irrfertor Courts are sot only nnircecessary but in.
jrnerra, and therefore Desk to i.e abolished, and the matters
,over which they have jurredietion to be transferred to the
Alier airs Comte, arid ilia. it woold br fur the cousideratiors of
Parliament la what miliblief compensation should be made to
• mock prisons luddiui appoiotmeuts io those Courts as might
be deemed entitled thereto."
1814 the Lord Advocate of that dariistrot
demi s Bill to effect ibe transfer recommended by that
pent, of which the following was the preamble :—" Wh
it appears GUM the Repents of the Commissiourrs (to which
be liod'alluderl] to be advisshle and expedient that the rofcrtur
Consmitsery Correia in Scoilaad 'Mould be abolished, and that
certain other alterattomi aud regulan ~,, s should be made
working the nastier within thew jurisdiction ; be it there.
Gee enacted. that within three months from the date of the
pardon of air Act, all arch inkrior Cumenimery Courts in
Scotland he alsolisherl." That bill war introduced by the
Leta Adearate, who was himself use of the Commissiont rs
by whom the •holitiou had been recommended. It was read
• Ara Sims, sod before it proceeded to the secoud reading,
that Whir sad teamed Permit thought At to estract the
• •Itoredier , lie would ask the House whether it could Cod
in sorb matt:a any thing creditable to that person himself,
or jeell to Scoslaiut ? The precise reamer why the Bill was with-
drawal, be (Lord A. Hinwilion) had never been able to
miceetaio; but he beliercel it was to he found in the ess erns-
Malice of art.Hoosiorahle Pr terra of hie bowing mowed fur •
fresh Commisirita,mbiels, perhaps, led the Lord Advocate
to hope that IM &It Cumasiames might came to • differ's.
catechist-au frewithat which bad bees deeds by the former,
sod therefore to prefer lytag me hie ears till be 'Mould know
Ilse result Wat,tteetiad Commisaints made its Report is
Ills; and be maidd read tea sansei, heat She Report to
oliew is., that it coneorred trophies wish the deem
Batty bet that It •dotraled a goober of ilia abuses which

pitealled is those Cants, which seesseli b reader It more
Imperative no alinisteri to have effected their abolition.
That third Report (two Reports had seen made by the f•r-
thee COO aviation) coorarred with the former sae is opinion,
that the offices had become not only unnecessary het isjuri-
ono. It stated that "they had directed their enmities to the

ed what did the Hoes, think had been ditclosed on that M-
I quiry bat it system of abuse, and frauds of the grossest kind.
(Heir.)—" Ilia fee, NlOell mere chareedat the dim: reties of
toe isoce"." Our of 11168!011ices woe now crept, sod It was
'hillniebtlost ha sacirrithit it *hook! not be illkiimp. " Not
*ell do the Comoninsiewerselsito f.. ad lasifees,• bet they
'llell'tbe AIM of Procsiabir Fiscal for their owe hermit."—
' n attestator bed been enede .to ahsiish that twectiert by the
got illrifi,; &sided oaf the Report of ISIS, whkb eon.
iiiwel 4 clause, meetly( 0 that no este of the inferior
Miens of thew? Courts should thereafter be. permitted."—
hi it imbed so attain in ISIS, `load it ism dbis moment,"
'bald Siii'Sable Lord. 1' actually going ou."--(Hear, beer.)—
Ile booed to be indulged with the attention of Ministem,
" eta eUler Ptoble and Learned Lord oppoeitel fur, if it was
their ditty to •tlese to the teeporta of Commlattlantel es
them sebjeels, the 'streets which he Aros shout to peed de.
weeded their most ptsetieslar attention. Me. Faulkeeer,
• omit ...f the wits-uses examined by the Comosisgiosers, mated
that "rbere wee so Axed regulation or scale of feet, but
Illy? tare altered eeeneding to the will of the clerk aid the
perseiii nintWeitid." • That wee the state of 'Wogs wider
sw,Ctrloliate Coolostml(liss sod three or foor successive Lords
Advocate, aid yet shot practice had been suffered to go on
'tie HiC last foorteme yeses.. Another pesos on the same
'subject of` fees said, " There was co rule, bet the fees were
elsil°l4 Odrortliell to his Cmitkplion of the trouble be had
its the burieeee." The Cewatiseiosers also stated, that
" sot wily bed the fees been improperly and usialluty exacted,
' bet !bey believed that such IfIll•CliOO of fees bad in some
alai been mounted up fur the purpose of fulteishing
• as departed claim to • greeter rompessation is cue the
offices ehould be •holished."—(Hear, hear, bem.)—Now
When he (Lord A, Homilies) read in those Reports the
wanner le which them fees hsd been exacted, asd when be
milisidersurdie letwrds of time fur which ruck& pearlier had
been tarried es, he meat confess be could toot think that
' meth eisemeentiou was due to those wke should be de-
prived of a
.source of illegal entolueseet by its abolition.
'He sow mime to the points of the mode is whirl the aboli-
tion of these offices might be effected. He coatroom' be
• should sot feel kilned( adequate to undertake the waseage.
i meol of the abolition of 53 Cowls, useless sod more thin
useless as they were, if he And alone to conduct all
' the business euseected with it, and to Genie tali she pro-
' 'likes of a Bill. for that peepose in detail I bet duet
*Ws. already fa a great measure dune to hie hand. He bad
, foe his guidance the Stll drawn up by the Lord Advocate.
same few of the petioles is those offices might be eatakd to
rompeosatiowt but by far the greater past of them meek be
•. found to merit nose at all. A Cummissioa eweriesletl‘nr•
leech years age reeommeeded that these Courts Awl& be
iikniislied ; a second Consmissims, for years ago, sepeetted
(hal recOmersidatiee, aid now lee had to ask witsebor the
- Illinlster's, *having allowed the Reports of them Commiselsos
'Olio is the table of the Hole?, the one fur twelve ant*,
Other for rise /eery which described thole elks& -oe
amine, aid. worse than weeless, as absolutely iejeoloon,,
' sod recessisMasted them to he abolished.. mild Adrift!
lola aitasere *dell had fur its abject. to giveAllialle NI Midi
reroaimeadadiii? He concluded by ousiiint Illgtkrarce,be'i
-given to hill* iiii a gill to 00* the IsidielltOlor" of
Ctmiiiissariesie Reutlasd. , . ... .t, t.. '.
~.•
'the LORD ADVOCATE said, lie diltesse else as object
• the priseiple al the Noble Lord's usetwita: .41 the Noble
had Asked him ie private, instead of publicly calling
111119/O him to avower is hie place is that HUM!, whether it
use his ietention to oppose the reseal motion, he should
have told him that is had bees for some time in
osoloinoiestime on Me sobjeet with every individual cm.
eeroed in the offices in question, sod that he was prepared
in the routes of this Semites to brine. is a Bill for' the per.
pose of reducing them. The Noble Lord Lad blamed his
predecessors in office for set having earlier carried the re-
commendation of the Commissioner • into effect; it weasel for
him (tire Lord A.) to say wh is might have follueeeed
the conduct of ushers, but, for himself, be meld sot lake may
blame for such part of the delay as might be sitrillautehle he
him. When he COW lido office two years ago, he foamed the tea-
lerials for so eeteosive reform is most of the offices is Scot-
land. He had applied himself with MI much diligence to the
arrangement of those saaserials se circumstances would per-
mit, end with the purpose of bringing forward to succession
the Bills for effecting the wriest! 'heretic's' with as much
celerity se ere, correistent with the degree of castles in qui.
site in uperatious of this swore; sod in the last Session he
brought in a Bill for the regulation of the Courts of Session,
end soother fur the Court of Admiralty; mod it was his in-
tention, as soon as be could get through the n y po►
liminery arrangements, to bring forward another on the
present subject. These Courts had *buried teflon ill cases of
debt, where the sum did not exceed three or four pounds, fur
which they drew parties from distant parts of the country,
and involved them iu enormous expenses, and that brow h of
their jurisdiction be admitted was a great public nuisance,
and called for instnetste Atolls:cm. There was another
breath of their jurisdiction which was more important,
from its euunexion wish the revenue, which drew large fees;
but it was uot os those fees that the Reports of the Com-
missioners had recommended the abolition. The Hauer
would see the necessity, in case of abolishing the offices,
of giving some compensation for those fees, which in
some cases aniouuted to four or five thousand pounds. It
beeame, therefore, • material question for consideration,
how far the House might be prepared, in the present state of
the public parse, to gratis the sum which would be required
for the purpose of such conipenastions. And, when be
considered the opposition which was made is the last Session
to the compeusatioo fur the office of Clerk of the Admiralty
Court by the Hun. Member for Aberdeen, he felt that these
was much difficulty is the way of bringing forward such •
subject at the present lime. He bad therefore been induced
to consider huts far it might be possible, with adrausage to
the public, to adopt • plait for the gradual •holitiou of these
offices, as the holders should die off, with • view of lightening
itie'burden on the palate purse. He wolod put ti, therefore,
fii*llie Noble Lord to consider, whether tne utkji et of his
motion would out be better answered by leaving it to him
to bring Anoint the measure which he bad in preparation.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, with rem et to the payment of
compeoestion to the holders of the Jiffies in question, be
hoped it would of course be nude,..2 od that uu cumpeusa.
lion tepid be allowed but for what had been legally re-
ceived; and, when it appeared that 'Moe persons bad for su
long a time bees exame' large illegal fees, he thought that
was •.circumstance material to be rousithred in apportion-
ing cuinpeueation, and ought, to to in reductiou of the
amount thst might otherwise hart been claimed. No man,
however, could ohjrcl to the allowance of a fair compose-
tout' fur the moonlit of legal (era sb.rhaired.
11.. DU•i'i UAS, as far as we could collect his meaning
through the suite in the House, though, the observations to
the Ruports of the Commissioner, uu the alowsrs which they
pointed ust slid nut apply generally, but only to particular
Commisearista.
Lord. A. HAMILTON said, iti reference to what had
fallen from the last speaker, ha could only say, that every
corset which he had seed applied to • &Merritt Commis-
wary, end he might have read still more; so that it appeared
So him, that if the atones deaf iod uni Ity prevail its
those Courts, they weir in very general practice, sail with
few eseeptions indeed. With iesprct to the suggestios
which the Noble and Learned Lord had thrown out, of the
propriety of leaving the matter in his hands, he could hove
nu objetions tu scenic to it, if be had any peeper security
slat oh, thing would be properly done. He therefore buped
the Noble Lord would agree to his noisome fur leave to bring
its • Bill, for oho h purpose the Noble Lord btniself, or awl
other periwig, might be nanird; arid, for his own part, he
(Lord A. N. would not whit. re, rulers he saw that the dia.
position ti. proeirid sail, it fill off.
The MIR I) A OVOCAI'E raid he bad sheerly stated that
hr was in .01111111111001111C41110111 vista the isidivittnals in all those
offices iii Scotland on the subject, and that he had s Soli in
preparation, which he should be able to propose is the
Howse before the Easier !WWI. He theret.re trusted the
Noble Lord would see the little sweat', there was for his
resew motion.
Mr. PEEL, la coneespeace of Ow allusion which the

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Noble t-oIA ),ad it& im • rant' In one ei the ogee lm
qeestion, begged to woes tie lied old the House,
that that, nod isail‘WkWY "or hereafter
occurs abated b• 0•11011110.1 so the that go
claim for embiewoodeto AMY thelleWe, eves foe the legal
fees, from the preset • • •
The question being lboe parns SrAKD .esiA be
thelighe the Ayes tad •
A division was called ire, nett ofeellePri were afar" to
withdraw; hoe before else biker was cleared, some center.
nation took plans memo that*, betimes real A.161109°4
sad the Lord Admeste, on the molded of the withdrawing
of the mono., mid after • few words Gem Mr.
Brougham, the Nagel' of Loodenderry, Mr. Tierney, Mr.
Peel, and Lord A. the neolioe wee negatived
without • /Ileitis'', sod the Miter moved for $ list of the
Commissariat Comte le Scotland, with the same' of the
Commilearies,C.oneenieseries' Cloths, ami Promoweem
from 1510 to the present time.
AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS.
The Margolis of LONDONDERRY sand that the Re-
port of the Select Committee of led &Woo 'ma the Agri.
cultural Distress, be referred to a Spite{ Coormlttoe to illaems
eider sod report on the same.
Mr. GOOCH rose, sad hoped to Ito allowed to says km
words on the subject of that Committee, of which be was the
unworthy Chairman. He had been charred, by leisrepreo
eentatiee which he hoped had not bees wilful, with baring
acted in collusion with Ministers, as respected that Com-
mittee. If be had done so, be should feel himaifeeiverthy
to represent the collet, tar whieh he bed theism/}e le be
refereed. lie had mewed foe that Committee in etemetreenet
ore determinatine which the numerous Petitions from that
most ealoghte body esf the eximistookyx 4be pregnemewoOd
persons engaged in ageitellore, had led him to fawn washy he
last Session, to bring the subject forward himself If no other its.
divides) better qualified should modertake it. He hod perbope
reason to regret that not much had bete dome fur them; bet
be had used his hem endeavours. H. felt it his duty, pre.
vious to seeking his motion, to wait cm the Noble Marquis,
to ask him whether it was his ieteetiem to oppose it ? The
answer of the Noble Marquis wee, that the Goverenteet
did not Weed to oppose the emotion, bet they felt as mont-
hly as he did fur the &Weird state of the agriculture of the
emitter% and modems!, wished to relieve it. He expressed
his surprise that with seek dispositions towards the apical.
tend letereet the Noble Lord himself hod not brought
the subject forward; bet to that the Noble Lord re-
plied, that with the little information which he pos.
sensed en the subject, be was not prepared to say what
amid he done, and be did not like, by feting the lead
ors the question, to excite hopes which if might not be
possible to realize. That was the Might of the temonenies.
Hoe which he had had with any lommeh of the Government
ow the subject, mod he hoped he should mot 'gain be accused
of collusion with Ministers. The Committee was afterwards
appended and nook its Report. Viewing that Repent, he
was sorry to my that it appeared to him to have been
wholly uselme. It had been drawn op by • Right Hoe. Gen.
"'saga, whose ability sod experience rendered him very fa.
miller with the prioeiplee by. which the inkjet, was affected,
sod 4o &elm did match credit to his tortuosity and taleet ;
.but it was looked epee by the revery es perfectly useless,
.ne • romplete mystilleation--(Hear, hear, sad laughter,,
.from the Oppesities Benches)—and so he mismidered ILI
.thel was, perhaps, rather strong language fur him as Chair.'
man of the Committee to apply to ifs Report ; bet it ought Isel
have spread meantl arm the count, y, iestend of which it •
had abed mealtime het deckers over its evils. Referring to
the staiewesie.whieli had Men made by the Noble Lord last
Friday night, he most say that he thought it highly 'slider. •
tory. He could mot help deriving greet pleasure from the
view which the Nellie Lord had taken of the theamcial con.
&tom of the eenntry—(Hear, beer)—and from hie expleas.
Hoe of the intentions of Government with reepeet to the
pnbltc creditor, for be felt convinced that the beet mesas of
affording relief to egricultese was to keep op she public
dit. With respect to the relief to he delimil from the reduce-
Hoe of the public expenditure, he feared that may would be
diseppoinid to learn that on more could he dime. The ut-
most relief that retold be afforded in 'bat way, was by re-
duelist the mobile establishments as far as it could be
done. He did not think that reduction could be carried
any further at present.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—He, for am,
thought that no further redaction could with safety be
made in the nemerical strength of the arany.-(Hear,, bear)
—but in the civil deparimeets both of the army and
navy be thought much more might be dom. He did not
mean to pledge himself to any vote out the subject, but should
wail until the estimates came regularly before the House.
He regretted that he bed m.. 1 attended much last Session us
those occasions when the Hueonrable Member opposite (Mr.
Hume) brought forward his i ?prated motions fur economy.
But he was prevented by the close coodoement to the Com-
wiittee•rooin, whirls was so medial variance with his general
habits. He hoped Gentlemen of all pullet would unite io
laying aside all party feelings on this occasion, and join
in one common effort for the general good of the couotry.—
(Cheers )
Sir JOHN SHELLEY rose, not to oppose the re-appoint-
, ment of the Committee, but to offer his opinion, as that was
the first opportunity which the Country Gentlemen had had
I for so doing, on the statement of the Noble Lord. The
brilliant speeches of his Hon. and Learned Friend, and some
other Hon. Members on Friday night, were enough to deter
• plain man like himself from °Wending asy observations
et that lime on the Honer; mud besides be waited to hear the
opinion of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Suffolk (Mr.
Gooch), whom he considered as the heed °title conotry Gee.
Heinen, having here their Chairmau in the Committee.—
His Honourable Fated had expressed his ssrpiise at what
the Noble Lord had done. Now he also felt his surprise ou
the subject, not indeed at seeing how much, but at bear.
log how little had been done. As far as the reductiotof
the malt tax went, he thanked the Noble Lord for that.—
(Leoghter)—But with respect to his plan conceruing the
fallacy of the Sicking Fund, he (Sir J. Shelley) thought
that one million was quite • sufficient sum fur keeping up
that delusion, sod the other four millions of income above
the expendeture would be much better applied by affording
relief to the coven, lit the reduction of taxation. 'When
the consideration of the subject was resumed oe Friday
next, he thought the Noble lend would end that it was a
heavy bodice to the country, and promised at best but a
doubtful benefit. His opinion of the whole scheme of the
Noble Lord was, that it was se attempt to bolster up the
funds at the expense of the land. d interest; god he, for
one, must say that he was not content with it.
Mr. WODEHOUSE ease for the purpose of sakiug a peed.
ealar question of the Nuble Marquis, to which he had ao
doubt he would be able op give a most Salisfsrfory answer.
He was &MEMO, to say as little es possible on the ellieuge of
the currency, end the consequent eha,.ge is the prices of
produce, and the effect ef siltation He knew that the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer was a roost incorrigible person to
whom to appeal; hoot the Nature of his office it must be
go; but after all that had been said about the change in the
standard of value, he hoped that the Right llon. Gentleman
would not forget that there ass our standard besides to be
consulted, from which, being " as geed as old Kuhl." it ens
right that it should always he runsidered—he meant the
mandrel d of integrity, He wished to s epos' his obligatious
to two Gentlemen opposite, one of whom lied especially lea.
dered the moult, veto mitt essential benefit, from his expo-
sitlii• of this subject on a previous day. Though he differed
I generally from that Hors. aid Learued Gent. the., could he
no question but on this sonject he hid made the ablest use
of ilium talents with which tie was so eminently gifted, as,
indeed, the subject itself required his ealranidinary powers of
entlersteading to compass it.—(Here the Hoe. Member
made sere,ence to some passages in the letter of • Noble
Loot opposite to his constituents (probably Lend Jubu Res•
sell), which cseiteined this expression : " Let sot the landed
interest of Crest Britain imitate the tandhuldets of Poland
sad Russia, who fumy when they themselves are eatiteril,
ell is well."}—He regretted the use of this Immune. It
should he rieulterted that there was on similarity in the
circuits,' sole s. It was • libel are the retry of the, memory.
Slavery, feudal thievery, ur seine thing as bed, was the condi-
Host of the oceopiers of the mil there. The lauded inierest
there were able its derive suave small pittance, perhaps oar-
, sixth of the produce, far reel; hat they were cuustiteily aut-
omated in their power, by the reciprocal operation of cur-
rency, In hiding the peeks from them. Such language,
therefore, for any purposes of argumeet, was altogether use-

less. fit agreed wills Ile Noble Marquis, that it has
as well as mischievous to think of relieving the lauded to-
tem, at the expense of mooned, the commercial, ur of any
other. He now none to the question which he arnheil
to
put to the Noble Marquis on one of the projected measures
-at sellef whisk see • tonspened is the spiestiw behave
othe Horse. It seo
ws wasbebldfret recollected
a
cnlleittedatthitaattionwli, thereenihe wassehet
r thea
difference it ergumeat spots • branch of it between
Mr. Horner and Mr. Elliot. Mr. Horner admitted that
when three was politieni danger in the question, probibinuo
was justifiable. Mr. Elliot, on the contrary, could nut roil-
ceive, p4lieal denier coexistent with commercial cutely.
Whichever wee right, or whichever was wrong, no nom
need to be ashamed of siding with either of those 'gators-
ties. His object was to get a distinct exelanation on this
point kom She Noble Marquis. There could be mu good
fella*• for withbsldiag the mower. He was backward to
make any premature remarks; bet if the usessuses of lb.
peoposell Committee omit to introduce any, the slightest, re-
laxation is the principle of prohibition, the effect would be
to reduce to a complete wilderness ell those unhappy soils
?which had wows up to become seats of populous tudustry.
They would sow be overspread with poor, whom they would
burs, sal how either to maintain or remove: Thin circuits-
stasissed, would they not doubly feel the preemiee of the taxes,
which, cousisteolly with the wants of the State, bad been de-
clared by the Exchequer to be incapable of inferno. ? He
h. was sorry to hoer suet, a declaration, because it bad been
delermised that rich of the great interests mold uoly con-
tribute to the wants of the State in propurtion to the ability
left them by their means. He lemented still more, because
it disagreed wi b the Resolution of the Committee. that "if
our taxation were to be measared by our population, it
world be heavier than that of asp other country in Europe
—if by or capital, lighter." Suppe.. Ate etioclusiop to be
Needed oe say thing like truth, whet was to become of those
unhappy porno's of the population who were exempt from
the advantages of • profitable uceupatiou of capital?, He
wished to refer to the Report of the Cosotuitte of 1521,
which be believed was drawn up by the author of the Report
of 11115.-17 lie Honourable Member read extracts from
the Report which, after taking a g I review of the capi-
tal exhausted in agricultural improverneuts, the cockpits...
and cultivation of wastes and cinnamon, kr. described the
loss likely to occur, sot only to the layers eat, hut 'through
them to the country at large, if something were not done to
give them time to rescue themselves bum it. The commie.
non of the sake Report went on to declare the antral!, of
keeping up those lauds, is order to make the cottony less
dependent on foreign growth, as, in the opinion of the
Committee, many of the chief difficulties •nd privstious
• incidental to the war, arose from that state of Oriel.
deuce.}—After this he wished to kuuw in what possible
way they could proceed to attain relief. He h..ped it
would out be supposed that be was seeking to rise angry
discussion; but agriculture was realty so distressed, that it
wse necessary to know explicitly what was to be dune. He
concluded with au earnest convoy that every aim possible
might he done to relieve it.
Mr. DAVENPORT, referring to the ststemetst of the
Noble Marquis es Friday lest, wondered that the state of the
finances being so flourishing. would only allow • diminution
of
taxes equal to Is. • bushel o. malt. The Noble &forgets
was mistaken in slating the amend of taxation on the fsr-
eggr,fie be equal tole per test. osi big outpours. He could
emit as to the Cheshire dairies, that they paid as mach as
lbw cent. on one article—salt—which ef all taxes ever in.
ended by the ingenuity of man, was the most oppressive to
agriculture.
CURWEN wished to know If the Noble Marquis
Wooded to open the whole question tis the Committee? If
as there world be very little done this Session. The Noble
Marquis seemed dies to act as if jie doubted the existewee of
the distress. There could be to such doubt at pretest.
Did he mese to open dist question egain—was that the ob.
Jen of the Noble Lord ? If so the Session would go by be-
fore the Committee would be ready to report. It was
matelial that the; should understood if they were to go from
monopoly to a free trade in corn. The Noble Lord would
determine this without the intervestios of • Committee; be
did not west that sanction ter his measures ; be could not
with Io leave responsibility us elicit shoulders. Ministers
night to have been prepared oo this subject. He would have
bee. glad if the Nettle Marquis had taken the business into
bison,. hoods The Noble Marquis must be satisfied that •
great diversity of opinion existed oalbe subject, end that if it
were left open, the whole Session must be spent before they
come to the Repot I. Would the Noble Lord be contest to ha.
zerd, iu the present state of she country, the poet ponentent of
soy measure to soother Session? By his own manning
there was so much eons grown is. Silesia, that the growers were
ruined by the sisperebtrudance mad the corresponding fell
of prices. Would the Noble Lord leave improvided the risk
of bowleg the ports open fur five or six months to the influx
of foreign grain? He admitted the resonsion of Is. a
bushel malt duty to be a great boon from Ministers,
smung whom, in the lest Session, the Noble Lord deelated
that it was impossible to spare any part of the malt tax,
and that rather thou do it, he would quit his place. The
Noble Lord was lucky I. having taken • different view of
the case; but mark the extrat of the Noble Lord's gene-
rosity iu this boon. The Noble Lord had said that the
taxes epos agrieultont were equal to Ave per cent., and
he offered to remit one half per cent. He could prove
that 20 per cent. might be remitted to the (-rimer,
if the taxes un salt, leather, barley, soap, and esti.
dies, were repealed. Let the House provide relief to the
di see of agriculture—let it be dose speedily, or it
would soon be WO isle. Whatever he might think of the
Sinking Fund, he would be sorry to see it totally takes
away, as that would have an unfortunate operation
on the credit of the country. But he thought the
time for successful operation with the Sinking Fund
might fur the present be deferred, and • few millioos
of taxes given back to those who •ere in distress. If the
remission of Is. • bushel on malt was all that the Noble
Lot d could effect, the extent of Vie mischief would become
immeasurable. He thought good of that part of the Noble
Lord's plan which went to recommend the establishing of •
fund to meet, by purchases, the effect. of as °velvet/41(.-
lOct harvest. He reckuised the superebendaiseeof last year
at one-thirteenth, which would have been much greater
bad the season been favourable. Now, if • customer
could go into the market to send that superfluity into
the rehouses, the effect would be most beneficial--
Suppose the price to decline to sixty-five or 60s. such a
fund would be enough to carry off the surplus, and prevent
the danger of hang,' to recur to foreign markets. Any t Wog
like • deemed which the Government amid seed into the
market would be highly beneficial, Wit poly weal to pievent
fluctuation. es to the questiou of the mode sad time resod
proper for the admission of foreign gamin, there was none of
more iusportai.ce to all individuals and classes is
▪ Wherever deprived the farmer of twain must affect the
home ms ket, by ureveutiog bow from bring • cus.umer to I lie
manufactories. The Noble Lord should have been prepared
to prupuse his mr ..... s without referring to a Committee.
He had beard the Measlier for Suffolk with eonsidersOle iss•
innishaseot. Would the constituents of the Honourable
Member be prepared to rn along with him in declaring that
muds gratitude was due to Ministers, and that their only
Ault was in not having adopted their promood measures
last year? It this were to be the language of country Mein.
ben, their case was desperate. Had they acted together,
they could by this have compelled Ministers toad properly.
lustesd of %sue miliion they might have had five repealed, or
at least so much as would have proportioned the weight of
taxes to the altered value of money. There was the salt tax.
What • grievance! Each family paid front twenty-five
to twenty-eight shillings a year un that tax. Could soy
thiug be more oppressive to the pour man? His pig,
which was to him a sinking fund, and fur which be
could not get 3.. a stone, was of no value to bins—the
price would not pay him at ell, and lie could uut afford the
expense of salt to p-eserve it for his own use. He did hope
that the Noble Lord would go farther than be intruded, end
instead of Is. per bogiel give them sip some cunsiderable
portiou of taxes. Let the Noble Loa defer fora lime hiss
intentions as to the Sinking Fund, and revs.t the ruin of
the landed interest, restore the energies, and effectually save
the . H. owned that he beard with delight of
the increase of the revenue; but be did not trim
how to act-oval for it, while it was notorious that
every man is the country was redoring his expenses.
let if it were so, It would be the less difficult to take off

more tines. Suppose that as leech es hi rattld ihe renem,,'
front the tax.itiou of each farmer, ties manufacturers and an
the other ititerests would he correspoildiogly brsiefited by
u.
There might he a way fur igniting all sides us this subjet
there webs be some point where they could mart bent,.:
Abe Nesbit Lord's reread of soy tides, sad their mines f,t
every tieing. distress was treat, sad time increase. Pe
wished the Noble Lord had attended with him at the grest4,
Market in the world (Smithfield) to-day, he wutilil haw.
inseleiilegictiner:shop..l.:dtiodporp:ib,triell'iroomieveirliebeaaoLe.ereatenhutvrk:toisa.notdrhamtevseti:terileisaidithaCurmethuitilseltidoi7'echpreerurie:vibpreconuaimetheledayabruiejuears poreok(edTatii;fiigi.tr:;(...
whatvotestaive rein would take place, if effectual relief *ere
be carried through dating the
Mr. HENEIf said, that the Horamible and Learted
Gentlenne, ('Zr. Brougham) deserved the tfietiks of 0.•
monies for hi. 'revives on • former 114011111111. He tins e,
saitard the itioiress under the soundest views of politica'
weaves', He sashed the Noble Lord to give more
ration as to his plan. If the Noble Lord could do swum
more than repeal le. per huobel malt tax, the lauded inters;
would only feel insulted by hie proposals for their relief,
toeless aume fuller explanation were to follow. 'roam eoui.,±
now be no doubt stunning es to the down., W., tyc
Committee to be appointed a. being the best mode for .a.
plainiag as to relict ! After she state mein of die Non<
Load, he could scarcely conceive that Ministers %mewl, d
du any thing more than they had proposed. The charge. use.
casoosed by the transoms, L one war lupine weer ensuo,o.;
io the callers of the present distress; soother emote .I.os,
unorcessery importation for some time of gram from con•
tries where the expenses of growing were low. lie trued.
weight was the preient Corn Bill. That Bell went to give
minupoly of the market to the Briti•b grower; it fsii",
when the effi cis were most required. He differed freeness
who supported the Bill oil the principle. He took it to be
better to allow free oupactatiou, or make the sioxrpoi.
effective. With the present taxation it was 1/111110001411 sea
compete with the low prices of producing fuseige
He thought well of a permatieut duty, however Wadi.
there was no advantage in high prices—the lower they we
if remeuecative, the better. Ent, !Meg must drpead
the costs of prodaetion. Therein the augmenting mew
was is the amount of taxes, aid not of rents. It was vaie
to argue about one lax or another tax affecting sgeirollere.
Taxes writ su hkaded and modified in operation, that al.
mutely they bore on all isteresis equally. Let the Home
consider the effects of the tax on salt mad malt in reiterated,'
poor man He paid as much of those taxes as the man with rice
so large se income. All taus fell on the commuter, generally
speaking. He thought the plan 'attending money on the par
rates ridiculous. He thought the linking Fend a &creme,
the expellees of which might be 'pared to the d' avi-
culture. He did nut like the plan of • feud to poetise
surplus core. The last public grievances were tie nuts
barns, and warehouses, left without imerference. The Re.
strietios Act, mid the late recurreure to • healthier Mien.
ard, which height be considered, oat to say it irrvidlousle,
as two separate acts of rubbery at the distance of thiiiv
yeses, were among the causes uf the distress. The:Boer
had ineremeed the weight of the natiosal debt. Hems.
sidrred. tie reduction as meenspary, bet it was set .1
the same importance as the redaction of rests. As is
the gestation of taatioual faith, be was aaitioes to preserve
it; bet he could nut coiner with the Hoe. Member sho
asserted that the lands were mortgaged to the ampule lithe
debt. The tondo were responsible for a fair poring Otis
debt. The fundhohlerand.every other class was liable is dm
proportion sad degree. The land-owners were so far reaps.
Bible, and they had themselves to thank for it. He vu net
going to throw blame any where is pirtieular; bet the
landholders had deserved meek idealist they were sow suffer.
lag they bad supported lbe extravagances of thirty years
war. The war misit or might mot have twee accessary. The
eztravagaace of carrying it on was without nem. He com-
pered the discontent expressed by the coostry gestklass be.
hind Ministers to the wrangling of two perms. in a public.
house. istending to impose on &third. He thought mimosa of
too good an understaudiagexistiugbetwen them. Minotaury
bad increased is power 33 per emit. he thought the °Seen of
stale ought to come forward and surrender 'airman', the
like proportion of flavor enormous emoluments, sad takes le
the same amount be remitted to relieve apiculture. Tie
House ought to tats to p lles arrival of the
{speeding evils.
Mr. S. WORTLEY differed from most of those who had
'Pokes. He thought the statement of the Nub'e MerqJis
most satisfactory, and thought the modes of relict proposed
by him more eligible than she dirtiest repeal of bisre.
When the Hon. Member for Wiltshire said the country Gen.
tlemen bad to thank themselves fur what had heptagon is
them, be (Mr. Wortley) was willing in take his full shoed
the blame upon those measures of Geverucnent whin he
bad upheld.—(Hear, bear.)—lf the Hoe. Member out
that they deserved blame for supportiag the Mintlefell att.
Crown, be was willtug to take his full share of It, become be
believed that the war was necessary. to preeetve the liber-
ties of the country.—(Loud cries of Hear, bear, hear)—
la spite of the cheers, be would still say he believed that the
war 11//10111141.0011ry to Ware the liberties of the cosstryue
(Hear, hear.)—lf die war bad not been supported by the
Gentlemen of Eoglaud, Eugland would ere this have he.
come a province.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear !‘")—Tlist
was the ground of his support to the measures of the err,
and be was willies to take any blame that might auach. He
was astoeisbed to bear it said the Noble Lord's Mekong
was not satisfactory. Good God! what! a clear ionise
of five millions for • Sinking Fund over the whole expend,
tare sot satisfactory!—(Hear.)—This and the remittiag of
million uf tuxes—(Hear, from the Opposilioa
with the promise of further reductions by this red of fast
veers not satisfactory! He differed froto 111000 wM wished
to touch the Sinking Fund. They must stick to tbst, at any
anode whirls promised redemption of the deht, and agreed-
inn would soon be effectually relieved. The loweriag of
Interest would lead to this, and ilie mode of efferlieg it ell
as plain as two and two make four. He tout tee rise of a
mortgagee, pledged fur a large portion of his estate it to',
which be would be enabled to pay off with mosey borrowed
at three per reef. His income would thus rise is the pro.
portion of 1,3001. upon 1,000/. per 4110410. Tbourb
for
stetrateot of the Noble Lord was so saiisfactory, he embed
to go further than the Noble Lord. H. Was b•ppys• best
of the reductions made by Ministers since the test /esteem
Yet they ought to go Netherton' than reducing Iwo sit i,aS
if possible—tit shuts as far as the safety of thrgeMelle•li
allow. He did not euscur in the plan of tending agrivaltiro
leer milimes. Nu hostels could be ,leaved from tee apple
cation. He approved of a Committee, and !hal wasters
should be takes to pewees the rush of importation wino
priers 1.:11.
Mr. RICARDO agreed that the statement of the Noble
Marquis was satisfactory as to the iocieshe of the rreioe,
As to what had been said of the Slalom Feud, there • •
one great mistake. It was ',Troweled se beiug • entse,u
supporting the leaded ititerest.. The ergumeut was lb.:
that by the reduction of interest all lb, laodoween eau
he relieved. He quite agreed its the eerfulnies •f a Sisk°4
Fund, if they could be sure that it would be fairly soi
honestly applied; bat the difference between them was tin.
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profits to be made by capital—that agate oa too waiter
labour—and that on the prices of food. If then were any
wouldspefol urity Gtr the
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Hits Gentlemen, it was mi.ehievuos to venture on a are ex
',velment. It led people io expect the iremilleiag mf ion
which could not be epared, •nd oily furatabed new moal
fur facilitating loans in regard to the observations of
Hun. Member fur Wiltshire am the speech uf his Hots
Lesraed Friend, he was surprised, after su much;
to discover that the Honourable Member differed al`•
from hes Hoe. and Leaned Fried es the subject. The Ha'
Member emerged that the taxes were borne by the cossmorii
to Aeon the prodveer was nabled ee w greet metope
refer the horde*. His Hoe. std Loaned. Friend had 10
geed that though nnaufacturers mid alert the bunks.
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were note frost the same Owlet. that relief tame frame
in ether people, namely, their own widows to. adjest-
ing the supply to the ankroad. The Honourshieleather
had mistaken him as to the reeposisibility of she fandowaer
ie regard to the Mhblic. tie had always sustained that all
the property, as well as lauded ty. sees labour. was
pledeed le the paymett of IlePfd:Cls: bet lasted property
rely
•in the some prothertioo as Mier property. Nis Her.
sod Lammed Friend seemed es the last aorta stvhameahate4
,rometbieg of the high time he had taken the peeled' eight.
la tie lest speech he desired it to he impossible is raise
the pm( ae we. gm rowdy for the disks.. of the leaded
latereet was reditetioe of tatation ; hot if that wield suit
2htee them in she mate saes. mid ellemsee. sad nape...
%ility, which they had majoyed befires.—(Mr. B„, wow. (yr.
'feted the Hon. Hellebore. His words were, " if the tussle**
Wen still left to press with ietelerithle woight.l—He had
...isiletateed his Kos. mid Leaned Framed so describe the
,anted piney is bleier fallen front a Mate sf Iszery
Coaseereace to distress sod impending losignillenuee.
lie thought that so far from the corairy beteg In • stale of
'lmo distress, it was, tie the emsteary, le a state of greet
.prespeTity._o4,,,rowe,, base I....lbieiog the eitisteece of
the massfacturiog distress he had takes the liberty of deli-
'Tering it as his opinios that Ike prosperity of that else.
world eon revive ; it bad revived, and We hoped so is. the
distress of agricoltere abate in the mine way. If the Hesse
legislated on the subject, be should expect, I. a Semis. or
Iwo, to see the Home occupied es the ileums* of " C4ll.
semere distreM." II wee fermis!, desirable that the price
of • should ha mach as is restwierste the spleollerist.
dee of the proposals ef the Nellie Marquis met with Ole de.
tided diespprehaiiim; he deem the proposition that the
Bank should Menace boor milketse N Goverommit. H. did
am take at all Ism W eseeidendbie at peemet the eats to
w►ichlis Governing isitearisti to pet it. la ISIS he advised
the Bank, instead of beyieg gold, that they should sell; for
which he we. rebated by se Hoe. Bank Director. It now
appeared the Balk Unmet together a peat quantity ofgold,
quite sulkiest fur the commie, of the cuustry ; bet there
mold be no dosed that fuer milliues of additional runnel
emdill ens be sepported in ore circulation. The ezehouges
shrewd that Our yarrow, was at present what it might to
be, en • level With *thee countries. If the Beak had sow
mere geld then enough, nothiog reetaiely could he more
wise that iscressieg the nwroney, which would, as the Hon.
Blember for Chichester had truly observed, lower the price of
yid all over the world. He was perfectly satisfied of the
psi istentions of the destinies In the direction of the
alined the Bask, bet be did sot thiek obey bad skill era-
. tient to manage so delicate an eosins as that with which
they we'll lairusted. He mesa keeps/mos she time of the
Ham by a few words ow that measure, which was comma"-
ly called after a Right Honorable Goodman opposite.
Whet effect would take plate IN prices if that Geeilemaa's
Bifl were propeily acted ape*, ho restored to state be-
' fore the Cnnueittteit ; he bad thee thought the effect world
be to lower she price of esecamidities about 6 per cent, sad
so that opinion he sow adhered, sod be thought he could de-
menekate the truth of it. The state of our money transac-
tions was this—the geld weed per cert. higher I. value thaw
the paper, and the macertion wee, how to make these two
agree. It wee not accessary IS teach the gold, bus only to
same the vahie of the paper. The plus adopted by the Bill
approached near to his idee, hot was net la his optimism so
perfect so it might lan bees. Hod the Boot sot pur-
ebred sill this year (the year Were she essonesorement of
cash payments), there weskit heire been um alteration is the
mkt of gold. The Bask Directors ought to have St-
emma tie circulatien —they should been kept the ex-
changes at par, beams* it was impnesible that gold
should come iota this soitetry without raislag the 'floret
.the standard all over Etteepe. What the amount of that rise
might be was certainly very sine* mailer of opisius. Bop.
posing that trusty millions of read could he drown from the
pee& circulation of Borope, he did not coaerrive it rook'
raise the price of gold more those 6 pot test. Had the pion
he proposed bees acted epos, the oily allsretion that it
would have made is the price of sonenteditles would have
'been to loop them fe per end., sod If a griesere Abet had
beets produced, it was net to be attributed to the meneteres
but to the mode of eateries it tato effect. He woo soma&
e 4 to bed the Heepeorabis Member for Chichester* whoa
*Pete% toweled so meth of eked principles, meld
advocate its piss sow proposed. As to tales they
were of two descriptions : those which operated en
tad those which were said to pees es •
elan. To the farnes, to the class, if they applied to the
Main he would say, " If min cast% get a reannierstiog
price it is your own faults; narrow your &sesame until
your prices increase." Bet to soother deeeription of lases—
to time which MI on cuesomers—he would threw wide the
Seek ash, Howse. Thereabout,' might say," My Sinew,
is cosseneoce of the taxes which you imposed, is art
loager adequate to fenish me with the comforts or uterus-
win *hick I formerly enjoyed." Such a man had uo remedy
but the taking off the lean The repeal of she malt tax was
• benefit to him ; so would be the repeal of the soap sad
molls as; and going through she list of taxes, it would he
foetid that all if repealed advauisge the consumer, and
that with him we. sufficient argument foe taking theta off.
Consumers were loaded with taxes, and it was the duly
of Goversnecot, by reducing our expenditure to the lowest
possible element, to give them relief. It had been said,
pa/faceted, out of doors, that he (Mr. Ricardo) had af-
firmed list the assonot of times were rot injurious so the
coosity ; bus he said now, and •Itrays had mild, that taxes were
highly isjurioue to she country; bat he repotted oleo that
the Haase c •old not 'chew. say particular clan, but the
whole country. He amnia his Honorable and Learned
Frieed (Mr. Brougham) had allowed too much weight fur
what he called she reduplietaiion of taxation. Now he
would &oppose a desks to advance the tax payable
os a commodity; fur that akvalsell he Map 10 per coot.
per 1111110111 ; but if the comniedity clammed bunts three or
fen times, that @dente saddled the who* year; though
his Hon. and Lusted Friend argued as if at every transfer
aa additional In per tens. was laiel oa. His Hoe. seal bears.
ed Priced had also contended, that a you reduced capital,
the profit of snick rose. This he denied. Gin him a
leo price of peuvisioni, and a consequent low price of
labour, mil the Iteration wield be doubled—espies, might
be doubled—and the profits of stock also dnuhkd.—
Ne persuaded that abe error had been Is "%coots/-
his too moth t uleireason, and the only substautial relief
would be had *lieu we returned to • oatmeal state.
Unfortunately a Corn Law had passel shirt, was as
impedirneut to the ei turn to sound principles. tlud we a
retainer's duly oil foreign cots. for a period, be that veiled
five or twenty years, we should receive's/ that sound princi-
ple, and should orris` at it in due tape. Ido also thought
that hail nun thr paper spleen hetes iu ezisteace, the Chao-
/viler of the lixrh.quer louse .sill have bud loans ; and could
he have gut them on better terms! His Hun. and Lealued
Find a!ste, elite respect to she fundhuhler, appeared se. him
lei have over.a.arsol it. He said she landlord's prices wets
high, bed then he bud high prices also to pay ; he (Mr.
hieing()) did not conceive that was a great benefit to the
landlord, but it ass • great Week* to him compared with
the vioekholder, because it lightened the pressure ul his
lanes, whilst the dividend of the stoekholder remained as
the same numival sumo ut, and by which, in hie uposiou, the
fuodholder sustained • great tors. Ow this head a weak had
hero pehlioheil, is which theauibur makes a minute calm.
Who* of every year's tranaarliona, sod snakes it clan that
the fundloolder, instead of betiefliers by the whole trans.
action, had been rather • loser. 1
Mr. MANNING rose and defended the conduct of the
p
k ['wirier*, brit is so low • tore of cute., diet, neaten.;
Stun seder the gallery. se could Not collect his eased words.
Mr. SY K ES declared be had so confidence in eny result
Ibis mild eeputislity he expected furs the ie.sppoiiiiment
or the Agriceltwal Committee, dare Ti deutkuiew hail epetil
r he whole of the seassteroued produced at 'loss a neat
r emigre., sad esuirailiciciey Report. He agreed wish the
Noble Marren (Loudontierry) is she view which be took
or the nose of sire distress. He thoughe it was the litl•
✓tfabostiant produce, sail he eidertsioeil the hope that
es year. ova kl set it sight, but is the mess time
dike..,gre. softest distress was fell, mileeibuNl abe'll4 ie
, • o by raisin the foods, which cooed poly have as
"wee, aid
br remote but direct), fmmediairly.
"I"fiekil We idea of trades, in *hi lieVentsy of Ilse
144 rag., as
t • mesas of eels( loth* Ogsteolsersl interest.
it •a.▪
.n wool 4 troikas as • dead weight on the land, sad
• Id sisn near the imeatry gaiillemen lo the law of

• eider the operstlini of which 'he might lie to
for ever, without any•ffsaltropt or teholveut Act resiebiug
him. e tbringht the proposed federal°. In taxation stied,
inadequate to the relief or the expectations of the country.
Mr. PEEL nadir/ the Howse would eteinse the anxiety he
felt to say a few words on that messeeo, whit*, whether pee-
ped, or .dl, was called alter him. After all that had passed,
be did set now conk forward to shelter himself ender the
greet majorities by Which that measure posited, or the great
sitheritlet id Its favour on all sides-weither did he corns
/Coward after all the cleaner, he would id say the mi-
lkmaid-4ot was not to rescind any of his opinions; he
came papered to maintain that lite reentry bad no al.
terneuire, and that the real lutenist@ of the country were
solvasteged by its adoptieu. He whold u.. 1 say that so
part, bet certainly a very small pert of the sericul-
turel depromien costa be traced to it. He begged to
caU hack the recolhetion of the House to the stets
of the maser, in 11119. to dm increasing depreciation
of the'eurrenee, sail to the state of the essoistecturing
districts. In Derby, Laneasisin, and Nottinghamshire, not
only distress, hut commotion prevailed, and attributed by
the Conentithee appareled to inquire into it, to the low rate
of wages. Greet works were at that time uudertsken, but
the apparent prosperity wan amoral. He thought the
recital of • fete facts would be more coeviating to the
Haase then any argument he could adduce. A Petition was
promoted finis Coventry, coreplasniug of the great distress of
the silk and ribbon weavera,from inadequate wages, by which
statue mazy men had been forced nn the poor raid, which
had iscressed to es extent tun burdensome to be meth
Mager bone, and this at • thee when work was plentiful...-.
Abase all the neaeolacturing towns were in the same
date, sad is 1818, out of 40 counties in England, 23 paid
mere for poor); rates than they ever did b. fore or sine.
Tit soon nem hod always powdered doe same effect. In
the time of Elisabeth. the discovery and weekieg of the
mines of America effected the same depict:idiom in the
metallic eerrescy. At the time the measure was is agile.
ties, it was prophecied that our us aid commerce
would fail, aid the effect on egriculture was much less dwelt
en; bet if be found that commerce sad reveille' had is-
mused. meekly_ there was strums ground of doubt that
the measure had caused the depression of agriculture.
Though he admitted and deplored that distress, yet be
d.ebted whether it could he mainly attributed to the re-
sumption of cash payments. He thought there was wo
stronger proof of naiiiinal prosperity than the reductioa of
flee poor's rams (perhaps that was prodaced by the better
payees* of the laboitriug classes); but if be eaw that lam leer
le every toed, in England,except one, a dietitians@ la the
peer's rates, In Nottinghamshire amounting to 14 per cent.
and ewes in Bowies to 31 per teat., sod osly ewe coon, in
which there had been any addition, and that sae which suf-
fered the least from agricultural distress; he mold not think
the present pressure us agriculture was caused by the re-
sumption of cash payment's. Fluctuations had occurred
In the prig of corn at other limes. In 1714 the price
of wheat per goofier was Ms.; io 1779 it wee 345.; in
11101, NU.; in Mt 075.; and in 1803, Ns. Here there
was the greatest possible fluctuations in the vane of cure,
at • time when the question of the currency could have
had ea effect on it. The agriculturists themselves say
their great dagger wen from foreign importation, faimed-
ed en the mounted that a very small excess of wheel '
beyond the supply prodoces more Aso a proportionate
reduetion of price. This was Ilse argosies* of Mr.
Tooke, who gave his evidence before the Committee.
The Neese meld sot overlook a measure which had eroded
considerably to reduce the price of corn is Ibis country—
he oneeett the importation of Irish corn ions this dnkey.
Ile did met mean by this observation to cast the slightest
• impuestiew ow she Honourable Baronet (Ste lobe Newmed)
war bed introduced Shot ; on tie contrary, he
gave Ma the fullest mid moot entire credit (Jr his pa.
birdie esetivire, sad he (Mr. Peel), of all nee tieing,
.wee the Ind • mem win wield wish to deprive betted of '
that Woken.. foe se mem meld for • neesseet holm
the east that anon mast ha,. prodoced apes the
former. Them were meow to newest fee ebet
meal ingertallos from Imbed. The cessation et war, the
assiseloret .senses)., of eseonted Sr previsions by Ciliescps.
Me
dhstemdtlifseerfesdr met comsopestip etsemens.
tity of rieb pattern greeted that must hove bees broke* se.
He wield beg the House to look to die quantity of grain has.
posted lads this reentry from !mimed. For sereeten years
1-16efore 11109,U511,1100 quarters hed been imported ; is 1910,
1.410,1109; aai ie three quarter, of • year, eadisi le October,
1811, seerel, is three-quarter of • year only, there were in.
ported hen this etnetry 1,011,000 qoarters.-414esr.)--Bot
let it set be comiderettbat this was merely an adesatage
to lrelood. It should be remembered *hit, in esters fee
that, she took back our neanufaeturee.—(Hear, hear.)—To
the combined causes then of three successive good harvests,
and the importation of core from Ireland, the present
diskette might be mainly wird:toed, and not to the demo.
elation of the termite,. And he was as folly convinced thee
so MOaliere which that House could adopt could afford im-
mediate relief, as that In the verse of time the evil would
rectify itself. He could never then admit that the signed.
turista would not have bete liable to the same distresses
if that restimption bad occurred; and if that return had
not been effected one year it most another; while there
would he resistant fluctuations, there would be • cos-
mut alienist ioa of prosperity and adversity amongst the seri-
delimitate, and each successive failure would he worse than
souther. He had rtseu more for the purpose of niceties the
dower that loot been raised than to address himself to any
oilier topic. With respect to the Bank, if there were any
failure, to them be should impute no share of the blame.
That measure was Not alone introduced as affecting the
curressey, but as a mesas of preventing immorality and
crime, by checking forgery, which every effort of the Bank
hod bees found ineffectual to prevent.—(Cries of " No, *or)
Helveas aware that some might be of a different opinion.
home ingesiolie • e • might have supposed that his phis
would have attained the object ; but it must at lean
be admitted that the Bank had tried every means to anal.
it. Os the whole, he believed the clamour which had beea
raised against the measure would be temporary. lu the
cowries of • few years the House would look back with asks-
radios to the resumpf of cash payments, and in the end
it would be frond must beneficial to the cones, at large.--
(Loud cheers.)
Mr. F.LLICE perfectly concurred with the Right Hon.
Gentlemen sod his Hoe. Friend, the Member fur Portarlingtoe
(Mr. Ricardo), that gold was no more a Axed standard of car-
mine, thaw say other foreign commodity. li. 1810 quantity
of gold was thrown into circulation to counteract the effect
of
• paper course,. Eight millions of gold were thrown into
eireutedia, mid if it was stated that this could produce so
effect, then he was ready to admit that gold was no standard.
lit lbtb there was a uremia, of • large sum of money un
Shenker, of Bonaparte from Elba. It was necessary to
relies 45 millions. This sum, raised at 3 per cad. amounted
to 83 asiliiiros, and add to that the present depreciation of
the currency, mid the sum amounted in 1821 to 90 millions.
Oee word with respect to the part he had taken iu the
measure. When the
had ed • clause to compel the Bstik to pay their
.mall notes in specie, for be thought 'rhea the coun-
try was shout to swallow a esasel, they should nut
strain at a goat. He objected entirely to the principle of
Government jobbing in the fends. He, of course, would
not he supposed to impute any personal motives to the
Chancellor of the Exchrepeer ; but such was the disposition
of the Right Hon Gentleman, borrowing fuer millions at
one time to raise the price of one stock sod depress another;
and this be considered, in whatever way it was contest.
grated, whether in a moral or political point of view,
by no melbas creditable to the Goverament of the country.
His Honourable Fluesid the Member for Aberdeen (Mr.
Hume) had made a ealesslatio• (whether accurate or not ha
could nor say), from which it appeared, that had the Govern.
met bad noshing to do with jobbing, but applied the pur-
ples honestly to reduce the den, the cossuriy would have
been pored live millions. But it was said the Bank mold
out oio.couet oit four per teal. He should be glad to know
what was the use of that public institution? Was it
tiestell for the purpose of beeping kijury ammo trade
Any basher its the city would discount at four per
treat. But lie inveriahly olseerdd tied ?bee the Gonerreiret
and the Beal went partnership is soy transacting. meant.:
try was sure to soffer.—( Hear, hear.)—lie thought the pre-
sent • time vets lowly adapted to arrange these maters. We
were ern In a state of protruded peace, and sheen Uemefisie

allielaolllP la rPale4l all our fads. ft edl l klippen that io
the cosine of a month a si•riwas Iva might occur. Ile would
not say that Coglaud would be engaged is it ; but whatever
the Noble Manton might say, the grsenl °pied.", was, that
a war would take place bet vices Russia and the Turks; and
in such en 'meet, what became of all the reales the Noble
Cord had been bailding? He had to aphlogise to the
Fl fur occupying so überk of their date. He felt
Skit the patient was nut, perhap', an appropriate time fur
introducing some of the topics he had done. But be could
not sit down without expensing his sincere hope that the
Howie had something more in their power to relieve evict'''.
dire than any thing that had been promised. Much, to hie
opinion, might be door he reducing taxation. To 'retry
measure that would eatable the grower of men to sell his
produce upon die best teems, he shield give his support,
but he ,never resold cannot to any measure which had for
Its oh*, the rawer,. the price of provieioss.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HVSKISSON could tint avoid repenting his surprise
that gentlemen should give high the credit of drawing op the
Report of the Agritaliseal Cooessittee. He would slate to
I the Rona the real stile of the 'ease. That Committee had
drawn up certain 'nobilities' and requested him to draw up
• Report (Guided stein thee' radlutionsi To This he oh.
jetted on various gimmick, bet more particularly Iseesisait
was the duty of the Chairman afloat Committee. Hintever,
having been strongly pressed by the Cossusittee, be cows-
plied, and drew op ode's", width he reed to the Committee.
That Report was discussed par.grapit by pareereph,•nd was
altered materially. Moot of tie principles as well as the
wording were altered, sod he stated to the Comointee his
*Nadas, at the time. He bed always given his opinion
upon questions of iseportseee, from what he had emu:rived
to be the mooed policy; these opinion* were recorded, and
from these he did nu' wish to depart. He hoped that in the
sea Commitfee they should ban the break or the able ta-
lents', the His. sod Leaned Mastrer fur Wisehelera (Mr.
Brooghavri). who had neeimall fromi the Representative of the
brat aviculturel coma, is England (Mr. Cob*, of Norfolk),
the diploma fur being the beet karma political economy is
makes limes.—(Hear, hear.)—He loped the Committee
would have the beetle of these gnat taken, sad then the
Committee would sot be subjca is the rseernmastic i'Etta
sect which he (Hr. Huatesse) 'kid attained.
Mr. WO °CHOLA E replanted.
&r J. NSWPORT felt it holiday, arras at es Isle an )leet\
to make ao obeereatios ea the sleamwe be had the honour of
introducing to Parlismest. He cashiered that measure not
merely as one for the papa* of promoting teat, het as
conducive indeed as liens the lest step towards emosolicktiag
the unitise/ "bete° countries. It had been considered by some
as a boos to leaked, bat he never considered It as such; it
was a part and parcel of the wino of Ireland to this country.
They might as well complain of as advantage being given to
vie county of Earned ever another. If the same ideasill.
Cation of interests had bees observed spool other acesseients
that union world be now complete.—(Cheers.)—He know
there were difficulties in the way. and puists which should
be touched opus with delicacy Ii was quite evident that
any thing which iocapacinted the inhabitants of Ireland
from esjoying the comforts of life is the same degree as.
they could in Nies countries, must tend to create &hasten.
One thing be-wished to snegem to the Noble Lord respect.
Jog the present Committer, and that was, that they should
•be limited h their object of impetry; fur if that were not
dam ark sitting real" be considerably protracted, and
tbsisbp. dm object the House bad In view in appointing
am admit be frustrated.
• Laid LONDONDERRY fully concurred in the propriety
• 14 limiting the sitting of the Committee, sod if he did Out
• ogees is the prepriety of wirier diem 'Am" isetructiuse, it
wee because it was is the power of arty Member of that
Cisesmatee to make a mottos to that effect to the House,
sad be hoped that die Committee would terminate their
lobelia sea alter the Wiliam.
The 'sadism was this pet for eppontiog a Committee,
and carried without a divisios. The fullowitig Committee
was ties appointed :
Marquis of Loodoodetry Mr. Stories Bourne
Mr. Gooch Sir Thomas Lethbridge
Mr. Robinette Mr. Alderman Bridges
Lord AlthaP Mr, Whitmore
Mr. Illisedia Mr. Ricardo
Mr. Brougham Mr. Frenklaed Lewis
_ . _

Mr. Baring M►. Denis Browne
Sir Edward Enstehbett Si► Jahn Newport
Sir Henry Parnell Mr. Wynn
Mr. Wodebonan Mr. Cornea
Mr. Weiler. • Mr. Lamb.

Mr. Holum Summer •

Mr. HUME thought that'
potion bad sot barn paid to
Adjourned at HA LF-PASI

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