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laws would be right or , 011 lellemenelleeed, that the
Bill now before their IA sipaM lIellitl• gnat wiles
and most expedient, and thee = leg it would
' to a certainty be sooner or later .- -
Lord LAUDERDALE did sminey to sleepy the
attention of the House at ay. , fel tant help
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the amendment
' Lord DACZE followed on the none side, contending do*,
edict of the gataneksaid he ll,ll.kele Ware:.
wo:At,
next three yam". trag.ele* ilie,
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in Ameties. ile objected le elso
minion which he thought Bap • e ead *weds
supplied even by the impleint w
sees, especially whilst the maximum of barley wistaria'', IM
Lordship shoal pause, and net proceed without infamies be
pessieg an Act which might prove the destruction of the 'graph.
turd interest.
Earl BATHURST urged their lordships to Allow the measure
a trial for three years ; for his wrong persuasion was, that after an •
experiment for that lime, they would be better
,judge? than they
(meld be from the result of any investigation in a Committee of that'
House, embracing a past of three years. Imposing a duty
on any production of the Voted States greater than articles of a
similar description twedneed in Canada, must prove ineffectual,
for they could be conveyed from the former country throve* slip
litter. ' v
The Earl of MA laM ESBURY explained. Aliti
The Earl of LIVERPOOL, also re explanation, observed,
, he wished the general question to be considered quite distinct toss)
the Bill then before the House. He was willing to accept a perked
of two years instead of three.
Afar a few words from the Earl of LAUDERDALE, i
Tire Earl of MA leM E ;BURY will diew it samtndenent. i
Thee Earl of LIVERPOOL then expressed his wish that it
should be for a period of one year, aim to the end of the tier nag,
lesion
oof Parliament, and the clause was modilical accordingly.
On the motion of the Earl of LAUDERDALE, itgenee
that the certificate of the corn's being of Canadian od iv
derived tom the grower, not front the shipper or owner.
'ir,.... House then resumed, when the Report was brought up, and
. ordered to be received to-morrow (this deyt.
POPULATION OF IRELAND.
Lo-d SHAFTESBURY moved that an humble address be pre-
sented to his 3lnjesty, praying for a return of the population of Ire. •
lacd according to the census Odle year 1821.—Carried.
. VAN DIEMEN'S LAND. i
. The Van Diemen's laud Judges' Bill went through a Cm-
. reittee. and was reported.
.adjourned at half-past seven o'clock.
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HOL'SE OF 1,3031310N5, klownew, Junes C.
.. CRUELTIES IN CHARTER SCHOOLS.
bin J. NEWPORT gave notice that he should. on Thursday,
arose that a humble address be presented to the Crown, praying
that his Majesty would be pleased to direct criminal prosecutions to
be instituted against the actors in and abettors of the atrocious ere.
slues practised in Charter Schools in Ireland, as developed in the
Report of the Education Committee.
COMMITTEES OS PRIVATE BILLS.
Mr. LIT rix.ToN said, on a previous evening lie had offered
some general remarks upon the conduct of Members in attending
Committees, and eating on the decision of private Bills, without
having attended to the previous evidence and arguments. In mak-
ing these remtrks, he had not directed his observations against any
particular Member or Committee,' as sonic of the Newspapers re-
presented,but had spoken generally in condemnation of the practice.
Sir I. COFFIN understood he had been personally alluded to,
and begged to disclaim all personal interest in any private Bill.
ST. OLAVE'S (HART-STREET) TITHE BILL.
Mr. CALCRAFT rose to move the second reading of the St.
' Olaie's Tithe Bill, and in doing so, wished to make a few obser-
vations on a subject which he considered of material importance.
He had been induced to take up the present Bill principally on ste.
. ' coma of the exertions preciously made with respect to the parish of
of 'St. Andrew's, Holborn. In consequence of the operation of
thin Bill the tithes of that parish had been satisfactorily settled.
The putrid' of St. Olive's consisted of 175 houses, and contained
' 1.912 inhabitants. Under the Common Law, houses were not
tithable excepting In a rs-t of the city of London. But it was
tomer:dint that they were liable under the Decree of 1535, to the
, payment of 2s. 9d. in the pound. lie had advised the parishioners
to allow the incumbent 1,8401. per annum, notwithstanding the
property had been, a few years ago, worth but 2301., and the duty
. was pertoerned by a curate at a stipend of 1001. per annum. In ad-
dition to those conditions, it had been proposed to allow 1,2001. a
year to the future incumbents, and the proposition was referred to
the censiderst ion of the Bishop of London, who considered the pro.
vision as too small by 1601. Ile confessed tl:e want of the Bishop's
consent was a great difficulty ; but he pledged himself. if the Bill
"re permitted to be weld a second time, that the difficulty would
he:errenged, or the Bill altogether dropped. His wish was, to pre-
vent members of the Established Church from being alienated
from its intriests by such vexatious proceedings as arose out of the
tithe of Leases. He would merely observe, that the Deuce of
17233 had !liver been enmlled, and sari therefore inoperative. The
lion. Plea:her concluded by moving, that the Bill be now read a
second time.
Dr. PHI LLIMORE considered this was an attempt to intro-
duce a measure for the spoliation of public property, under the
guise of a private Bill. By the 37th of Henry % 111. the tithe of
Muses had been established; and though the enrolment of the
Decree was disputed. inaewas a question for the decision of a Court
of Law, and not fig thiconsidetation of the House. He thought
If the House consented to pass the present Bill, they might next
pass a Bilt6 regulate the property of any private individual, who
hart. it a former period, received grants from the Crown. The
Honourable Member concluded by moviug as as amendment, that
the Bill he rejected.
hlr. 11. SUMNER seconded the amendment.
Mr. DENMAN biped the. House would not do anything to
' sanction en imps tof 2e ed. in the pound on the houses of Lon.
don. Ile denied that the Decree of 1435 had recei-txl the sanction
of enrolment, and the Act of the 37th of Henry VIII. had not been
ineteted in the surer edition of the Statutes. In the 4th and loth
of Ed card V I. commissioners had been appointed to regulate tithes,
and they had made the draught of a decree, which was only not
earned irtn effect ii. consequence of the death of the young King.
Tent would new leive hero done if the decree of 1535 had been
oorsidered es the I:,w of the land. In the reign of Charles I. the
subject of tithes rt.... rcferred to the King by the clergy and citizens,
which would Lever terse been done if the question had been settled
under the Decree eliniler! to. In fact the enrolment of the Decree
had been tried as, en ISMIC la the case between Hallam and Admits,
and notwithataneieg the fin-ding of that jury, he did not coneider
persors of the prescnt day as liable to be boutid by the verdict. It
• was perfectly COVIpOieI.I. to try the question again. The Fire Act
• was the next refined th, and took Effect after the conflagration of
London. On that °erasion tie, out of 107 parishes had been bunted
to the ground, and the Fire Act provided for the payment of a
specific sum for a certain period. a ithout any reference whatsoevor
to the tithe of 2s. Ohl. in the pound.
Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW oposed the Bill.. Ile thought the:
House should never Inter:ere with vested rights.
Mr. A. BARING hoped that Gentlemen would for the future
exchange some of that aeseety which they felt for the property of
the Church for a desire.to keep the people within its pale. Law-
yers looked on such questions as the present merely as questions of
property, and seemed to forget tint nothing was more likely to un.
dermine the Church that the frequent discussions which were going
On bei waen die clerpyraeli and their parishioners. The present
Bill, he contended, w
hit.
not iia undue interference with private pro-
perty, for if the Beihop coeld get. 13111. more a year from the pa.
rich, he would himsed hitcrfere. Ile trusted the Bill would be
permitted to go through a second reading, as it might lead to sonic
amicable arrangemnit between the parties; and he thought the
House should always Dies eacourageinenv to such private adjust.
thente.
Mr. C. W. WYNN raid the question was not whether. in the
• present instence, there acre a vested right or not. The real ques-
tion was. whether that 110-use 6110111C1 become a Court of Justice to
inquire into and decide on disputes with respect to property. If
• the resent Bill passed, many other parishes would petition the
House, each 'eying that tit rector received only so much for a
great many years, and that therefore he ought not for the future,
' under any eirrumrtaner,, to get more. It would be a manifest injus-
tice to act on such a principle., for it often happened that an incum-
' beet succeeded in oserterneig a modus which had existed for a
very long period. The prerent Bill, he contended, was a direct
attack on private property, and, if allowed to go on, wouldopen the
door to similar attacks onpreperty of every description.Mr. DENMAN explained.
Mr. COURTENAY.eontended there was evidence that the De.
eeee hid been registered, sod that, therefore, the vested right was
clearly established ; he did not know on what grounds the House
was called en to internee o:, the present occasion, and prevent the
quexlions being decided in a ( nun of Justice.
Mr. WM. SMITH thaught the present Hill not a private one.
if so. it was that description of Private 13111,.in which the interest
. of the public were ten times mote deeply concerned that: that of the
individuals who might seem more immediately connected with it.
If the stability of the Church meant nothing more than the
wrmanency of its property, then, Indeed Gentlemen were, pet-
haps, right in opposing die Bill ; but he thought there were other
and higher considerations which should influence the vote" of the
House. The Hon. Member supported the Bill.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said he tlid not expect to obtains more
patina hearing than those Hon. Members who preceded him. He
thought the confusion which prevailed during the present discus-
sion was easily aecounteil for; it was owing to a conviction that
'bat House was trot the proper piece for Lie May Members as ea-,