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MOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. rv NG presented a petition against tie CommentMl
Dock Sill, upon which the Sraa tin observed, that as
this was the last day fur receiving Reports upon Private Bills, -
it wuaki he is question for the House, whether it would re-
ceive a petition presented at such a period? After a for ob-
servations (loin Mr. Rose, Mr. W. Smyth, Sir Charles Price,
and Mr. Byog, the question upuu receiving the petition was
negatived.
Mr. M. A. TAYLea postponed his intended motion, re-
specting suits in Chancery, from Tuesday the alit, to the
Friday following, that !unix a inutcconveutent. time for the
Gentlemen of the law.
General Lore presented a petition against the Storey Com.
mercial Duck Hill, which, atter a few observations from the
Speaker, Sir Charles Price, Mr. Thornton, and Mr. Robert
%Ward, was rejected, upon the same principle with the
former.

Mr. C•MPBILLI. presented as account of the number of
hired tranwporss employ cil in II JS ujest y's service.
Mr. I rert%ti preivilled an account of the 41 mitt til y of coals
end main imported into the port of Loudon during the
year.
Mr. KN OW irs presented an account from the. Nitry-ollice,
of all the stoseships employed iu His Majesty's /Witt%
They were all ordered to lie un the table.
Mr. MANNING pvstp•,ued the third reading of the Loudon
Dock Bill to Thursday next.
Sir S. ROMILLT and Mr. HENRY Sarni respectively
postponed their tiuus, the our to Thursday licit, the
other to this day se:might.
HIS MAJESTY'S LETTER.

Mr. IVIHTBRUAD begged irilVN to put a question
respecting u letter which appeared iii the public
prints of this day. porporiing to he a ktter from
His Majesty to Prince Ferdinand of Spa''', he
asked the question to the hope of hearitig it con-
tradicted.

Mr. PRICEVAL said, that it would he attended
with inconvenience to the public *tfrt ice, to give an
oubwer to the cpie.tiolv ;it the present moment.

SIR FRANCIS BURDEVT.

The Sec IK.t he thought it his duty, before
the !louse proceeded to the general business of the
day, to call their atteution to two papers which had
been served upon him, and which he hod brought
under their notice already, previous to the re-
re-s. One of them was • a notice, intituAting
that Sir Francis Burdett would bring an actioa
against Linn, as Speaker of the (louse ot Commons,
fur having caused the orders of that House to be
executed upon him. The term was now approach-
ing, and they would all ace the necessity of coming
to some a, r..ngemrtit upon a matter so deeply in-
teresting to their ptivileges._

The CHANCKLI.OR ot' the EicuEgucit thew rose
and said, that. after considering maturely the
circumstances of the case, he was of opinion,
that the hest course they could adopt would be to
appoint a Committee for the purpose of considering
the proceed►ng• had, and to be had, au reference to
said notices.

Mr. Witteasteso wished that the Mglit Honour.
able Generinan had conde.cemied to lit4te the
grounds tip,m which hr inured for the Committee ;
it woe surprising that, in the leisure of the Reyes.,
he had not formed a derided opinion, and furnished
liitnaelf with argnini.uts in support of the course he
would recommend.

The CIAIINCELLOR of the Exi !UGLIER said, that
it was to prevent any dismission of the Ini-me.s in
the whole lioese, before it bad undergone the in-
spretiou of a Cumni,tter, that be forbore to offer
any arguments upon it.—( Hear, hear.).—Tbe
Rouse would tome better prepared to the discus-
sion, after the Committee bail reported ; and he was
sure that the lion. Gentleman. if he gate himself
the trouble to think. would see that a discussion in
the present instance would defeat the object they
had in view, in rekrring it to a wale eircussisctibed
tribuual.

Mr.Auxst war apprehensivethut die terms in which
the motion was expressed, did nut de.cribe Anf
liciently the 'object mid tne I. ations of the Corn.
mittee ; they were ton general.—(L/ear, keerr..l—
was aware ihh this was no time to discuss the
principle, lint was prepared to defend the privileges
of the House from any attack that might he mode
upon them.—(Herr.)—The Committee should,
he thought. be desired to report on a certain day,
and instructed that its object was to inquire into
the authorities upon the subject, and communicate
information, not opinion, to the House.
The SPIAILER said, that it was the custom to in.
trodece into every motinii of the kind, word, de.
scripttse of the purpose fur which the Committee
was appointed.
The CHANICIrt.LOR of the Ext timaccn said. it
was his wish that the Committee should examine
into the Gets. and sko report its opinion upon
them. It was an awful subject ; the more he
thought of it, the more awful it appeared. He bed
no objection to express, in aoy terms. the ohject of
the Connni: tee, but he was not quite sure that there
would bee propriety in restricting them toe cerium
day.

1 he SPIAIIIa said. it did not appear to hits that
the {louse was in the habit of so doing. •
Mr. Anus quoted the last case that rimmed
npoo a question of privilege. the case of Mr.
Ilubbert. in which the Committee was bloated in
time.

The questios gas. then put in the following
manner :

" That a sleet Committer shoal/ he appointed totem
abler the prorerthugs had, and to be bade in the cane otair
rresiri. liontrit ; to impure into the astitorities, sad to re-
port the Leta to the Notre. and their opinion tbcreepoe."

Mr. ‘Vnireasan begged the House to reflect
how far it would be proper toanbarit to the direc-
tion of the Right Hort. Gentleman. who had hi-
therto conducted them with so little tact in every
stage of the business, whose conduct was market
by incompetency and indecision. up to the present
moment, when proceedings were about to he OM).
menced agitinst their Speaker. It was surprising
that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer). having
considered the subjrct during the recess, and hoeing
announced that he would consider it. should now
move for the appointment of a Committees without
being prepared to state the purpose lot which it
was to be appointed. or to word his motion in terms
that should convey the proper instruction,. (lieer.)
After all his deliberation, he was obliged to have
recourse to the suggestions of others, and to amend
his motion by means of their advice. If the Minim
of Commons wished to be led into a worse owe-
lion than they were new, they would still sobtnit
to the Right Hon. Gentlemen. who bed sheen an
this, end to many other iwt.inces. that he war ig"C"
rant of the hr had taken up. Ile ('sir.
Whithread) thought, that when they entrii•irreil
the mintier in which the Right Gentlemen
bail wire.: ly riincliacted liusrlf, they would be en-

.
,milling to el, his , Vtt. Wtki
di,gr.etfol to a Counnittee,sie
that it woulibe more Itottouralife in in,
cotne to declYsiou iiiiinediftely, and
rrastinutiok" 'l'be enly reitsirm
for the usiwillit4ness nosuifeeteil by the
Gentleman to tfilietiss.the'iluetrtioa at
dissatisfactory ; he' trustio.' therefore,
would nee the impropriety of passing it
Committee, as proposed.
Mr. l'ortsomair said, the mntion a,
consequetu of the Speaker's common,.
1-101.111 e. His COIUMUlliCatiOll was 111.14 C
obtain the opinion of the upon tl
t hey would therefore do well in coumd,
the appointment of a Committee writ

more to excite than to remote the iluubi
their privileges. which unhappily exL
motneot. It deserved alto to be con.idemi.
ther the Committee, (ifit wax deemed expedient I%
appoint onc) shoold not he restricted to report
fm
only. without offering any opinion ? Ile did ot
presume to dictate any opinion. upon the
nor would he express his sentiments upon
portant points at issue. until they cone to be
cussed before the whole House; hot he sou
suggest. whether it would not be Owner to ad;a,.,•
the debate. than accede to rte Proposition fur
pointing a Committee.

Mr.IIIYDER said. that what had Mien front the
Floe. Gent. who spoke last but one, was only a k-
new/al of that general abuse us which he au, io it,
habit of indulging, and which did not regimen,
answer. fat with respect to the observations or
the Right Finn. Gentlemain who spoke last, he
would hVg leave to observe. that ate mode tempo.
mended by his Right lion. Friend, (the chum;.
toe of the Exchequer) wag tat which was usually
adopted by the House Upoh bllllll4ll' occasions. The
House. by appointing the einninittte, would tow
delegate any power to it, inconsistent with its own
dignity, or obstructive of dim exorcise of its foul
jadgasent ; it only authorised it to exontim Into
facts and precedents, and to report an opihiou
upon the case, wlceli the House adopt or
not, as upon inve,tigai ion it thought prninr.
(lear. !)—The coaster proposed by his lion. Frit
was the moat a‘lvontogrotts ; it would put them ni
more (-couple to postrre,loll of the hubj.-ci, aid r,r
able them to decide in ht manner more sAl.hirtnry
to them.olto.s and to dsc pul.hc, [Lau lino pr,rives
consideration had taken place.

Mr. W. WebINS thought that there was great
oltj• ction. in theory, to the delegation or the au.
thurity of the Hi .use to a Committee ; if, however.
it. 11:14 agreed that a Committee 141111 eititedltOt, r.
411011I(I bra Committee of Privileges.
Mr. Thou agreed. that if it was the general
wish of the House that a Committee aboirld he
apltoint.•.l, it ..1:ould be a Committee of Privilege,.
The RiAlit II Gentleman opposite Had game
on from •tep to step in error, and from the conduct
hr hail nuifurinly pursued, must have astonished
the louse, ►f the Florise could he astonished by
ignorance. 11. agreed with his Right Honourable
Friend (Mr. Whitbread) in the surprise he had ex.
prerisrol to rind that the Right Hon. Centimes'
hr to badly prepar-il ; he remembered.
that before the recess he had called upon them
all to eXerl lite their minds on the subject ; hr had
set thew is kind of Easter tink in the study of the
DOI of Rifilits. He now aelted for a (7ornraittee.
and w•as MA prepared, after all his farmer mil.
ness, In venture an opinion Iriurself. Ile (Ile.
Tierney) did not think it right that the Com-
mittee monad give no opinion. far he could nut
consent that the que.tion sheti.it be prejudgid
before it curse under the coinideratiou of the
House iu general. Ile concluded with moving.
" That the latter words of the motion, winds
went to demand an opinion from the Counittec,
should be kft out."

Mr. Uuauas conaplained of the attack made
"Pen hi. Right lion. Friend, and the ehirge of
rashness in the steps he had token. lie thought
it unfair. when awn individual adopted a conduct
which called fur the punishment of the How,
that those who came forward in order to propose it,
al•old be blamed. as if it was they who hod brought
the Howe into so disagreeable a situation. It sits
unjust that they should he accused, only became
they had taken steps to punish what, all must agree,
walla breach of privilege. The Hos. Gentleiona
opposite considered that every thing was owing to
the weakness of Ministers. He. (Mr. Ryder) was
of opinion that it was owing to a systematic desire
to oppose the privileges of the liouse.—(Heee.)--
They were not now referring it to a Committee to
inquire whether it rasa breach of privilege or not,
hat to determine upon what conduct they should
persevere upon the eccaiiims. lie should support
the origirsal unitism.
Sir A. Ptuatirr began with observing upon the
notice served upon the Speaker, for hawing brolva
open the dwelling-house of Sir Francis Bartlett,
and committed him to 'prison. lie did not (loss
to object to the commitment of that offender to
the Tower. but he could not avoid objecting to the
rondoet of Ministers, who, notwithotainhog the
Spe.iker had informed them of the notice three weeks
ago, had neglected to take any steps fr.nn the lith
of last month to the 7th of the presstit. The pro-
ceeding he held to be entirely new ; for a Meuil.rr
committed to the Tower to glee the Speaker notice
that he would tiring an action for damages sew'
him. was never known in any other instance since
the lievolntiaa, or before it ; it was never know
duping that period in which the House had rst.c.
461" the hbertic% of the people. and with Coral
the prirdr4rs of Parlia.nent. (Hertel. Never h'"
fore was the Speaker threatened with proorcuil"'
fur discharging hiss duty. ha short, it was a two-
'trona and unheard-of novelty, whirl' had tirr,r
disgraced the country until now. They iad
or want' novelties in these times ; they ha..i

of novel pro tle.,vs, and nOtel prOCerL1111;;0. 11,4.;
pert of that Weise, but tine loove:!y t.• derCoo-
Initiation farmed the pocts'oor char te..--;41".. I
disgrace of the times. It was pitrpraping that Ti...-4
who. from the .nostiona which they 1)9,14 rqpi•
lilted the prose- I:tiv of the !louse. Ow'," h'''
let such mow,' IQ., like any orthre,r, tran-aetw
that they should lw,ve er,airoted ihuoprlte•
entering it l'••• itiumel., as n unght I t
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hopert:o,,it paper, called a it •',. •
tr•iiiirr the latopt.n.t of other Veto,: 01,11 11"1.
it to c•il for the 'meatier' of Mu. • •

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He felt Abet be wee doing in indispensable duty in
resisting -04 or:uaittchief wipe!) had gone
abroad, spreadingdeiusiou .04 d4asters The day
after tionsorrow,woukl Ire the first.dely of term, sod
now all of a sudden hity Majeety's giiiimers awoke
out of their trance, ful were ilessiim of covering
themselves by appinutiog a COmputtee.—(l/enr.
hear.)—They wished tiaspirt 'Speaker mid the
privileges of the House under the protection of a
Comiuittee, because they were afraid to encounter
the responsilsility themselves. Did they not know
before, that there was the commencement of an ac-
tion against the Speaker. who had only meted mi.
nioreially ; why then should they not hire reormi-
wended this Committee before, if it ass a measure
necessary to lot adopted ? why did they not appoint
it before the recess, or even in the course of last
week ? 'Phis **snot the time to go in search of pre-
cedents. This was a question of great importance
to the Constitution, and to doom who were tainted
,ith the urw heresy. Upon the subject of right
he would may, he wit not oily of opinion, that the
House had such a privilege, but that it never could
pat with it—(bear,)—as long as it retained the
iuquisitorial, arid functions, it
must preserve it inviolate. lie ridiculed the no.
tidos of the new school, upon pririleos from ob-
struction, and maintained that the House had a
right to • its own Members. If any man
Presumed to piece a placard upon the door, to-
inorrow, stating, that the vote of to-night War
hare :eel corrupt, would ass one say that the
I loose had tint a right to commit inn ? Many
people were forward is cryitrg out that the
House of Cerebrum's lied nut a right to try
fur a ; but did they d,sriihe the question
isirly when they call.d it a libel ?-1111enr.1—
leo, they might us well say, that it had not
a tight to try tower, &c. for it did not claim
either one or the other. :le was for from con-.
vineed by all the daily trash lie had read upon the
subject. The way in which die House of Com-
mons hail proceeded was the only way iu which
'her could punish such • tin °hence ; as that
which was committed signiist it; they could not
collectively bring MI ?KOMI. It was said by the
Nee' school, that the question ought to go to
a Jury; but in order to.briirg it to that issue, they
mould supplicate the Crown to prosecute for thein,
irid ins nitoneuts of Impala, delusion, like the pre-
sent, they would tint lie able to get a vercict—
(llear). The miserable pretenders to public ap-
plause., the enlightened instructors sail guides of
the people. would take every advantage. He could
not help regretting that on ranter Holier was token
of this lameness; nor could lie avoid considering
this au insidious motion, adopted for the purpose
of coveting ignorance and neglect upon the, most
important question. Beatles, if any question of
piolege wee to be discitord in the Courts below,
an appeal would be to the Lords, who in that case
would heroine the judges or their plivilegee. If
the Chancellor had committed any pyre in for coo-
tempt of Cowl, and that an Attorney hail the pre-
sumption to glee up a *police to his Lordship of aii
action, hr would not hesitate to have the Attorney
called before lain, end punished uccroilingly. He
coueluded with declaringelim determinatiou to vote
for the smenilment.
The SoetctroasGananae said, that he should
not follow his Hon. and Learned Friend throogh
those arguments whidi he hoped the House had
heard with great satisfaction. He agreed with him
perfectly as to the right lathe House to protect it-
self, siul, insignificant as he was, would give his
martiou to the principle. He was sure, that if ever
the privileges of that House were broken down to
the mere limit of obstruction. it would make the
Nome ridiculous. ( Mar.) He agreed with hit Hots.
Friend'sdescriotion of the limittgd part of the quell-
non, it was perfectly novel. hi former times, actions
of a different *attire were brought ngeinst the Speak-
ee, bat never a civil action. -The questions for them
to decide were, whether the House ought to do
am thing, and what it ought to rho ? It was agreed
aim all hands, that it was high time somethilig
should he done. The charge of remissness which
tad been benuglit spinet Ministers, he did not think
was very respectful towards Pailiansent. It went
to suppose, that the Privileges of the House were
only tote protected by the Molesters of the Crown.
action against the Speaker, was, in fact, an
action against the House itself, and, as such, was
the cow era of every Member in the House, whether
in or oat of office. That the acts of the Howie
were the acts of the Min;ster would he a popular
argainent enough to avow abroad, but be did not
expect to have heard it there, or from any one who
Ind a respect for Padiarnent and the Constitution:
They charged the Ministers with delay, but what
Were they about themselves ? An action was
threatened against the Speaker im a fortuight hence.
It was necessary that they shoidd adopt some pre-
paratory measure in order to meet it. The ques-
tion, therefore, for them to deckle Was. whether
limited moniser was not better adapted to consider
the analogies upon which the case was likely to be
derided. When the Committee reported its opi-
nion to the House, the House would still be at li-
berty to revise, qualify, or contradict, and to form
so irgettered judgineot with a view to all the facts.
Mr. Wtsiontss thst the question divided
itself into two branches. One as to the conduct
which had hitherto bees, pursued; the other as to
elia would be expedieut, under the present cis-
cntastences. He complimented Sir A. Piggott for
the broad constitutional doctrines which he laid
,!eon, and professed hieesgreeinent with him in the
norower, as well as in the wider view of the ques-
tion. The situation of the !louse at present. wee.
in many respecto, novel ; but there did 'sot appear
to him to he that ground of doubt as to the pro-
ceedings, they should adopt, to call for the appoi ut-
meat of a Committee. If, however, the precaution
ass thought necessary. the House should not de-
',Cite its power to the Committee; it might loom
hit pen, that, in case of difference between the
Ceismittee and the How. people would begin
oat of doors to dispute as to the right of the
flame to differ from it. There was another
thong to be consideeed. the delay which it
trek give rife to, a circonsotance to be avoid.
of as much am possible. especially in etch a case.
No more was necessary than to mint opinions with
t" fart, iii the if Report. and if it was intruded
that flay acre to give a general ommon, he world
%roe scram et the appointment of the Couenieter.—
At all events, as it gartered the ur. net doubtful,

he preferred leaving the mention of opinions al..
together out of the motion. Ile concluded by emu.
demiiing the conduct of Ministers, in delaying so
long taking any steps in this most inomeutous af-
fair. It Was no excuse fur them that others were a.
remiss. They ought to hare done that which from
(lair situation it was their th•culiar duty to have
dune.

Sir THOMAS Torras' also severely censuroed
Ministers for having suireml this matter to be dor-
mant from the 13th of April to the 7(1. of May. It
was disgraceful, that a notice should have brew
suffered to be served ou their Speaker, and no dis-
cussion had on it for almost a month ? They were
told .by cote Hon. Geist. that they ought to come
to &decision as to their future proceedings. b.:caivie
the term begins on au early day, 11 list ! were
they to be afraid' of a Court of L we,
.or to think
any Court could touch their rights ? The very lie-
lice was, iu his opiniou, deserting of being treated
■s one of the grossest breaches of their privilege.
Would they allow process against thin. Speaker,
and that he should be treated as a private
? The very discussion of suck.' tpiestims was
an insult. He did mot memo to approve of the pro-
ceeding, into which they had lately been led, on
the ground of expediency. but of privilege, usi
which it was impossible they could be censured.

Mr. W. ADAM entreated the candour of Gentle-
men opposite, lii considering the amendment pro.
posed by those ou the other side of the lions -.
The question was one of extreme moment, and it
WON truly said of it, that time very existence cif' I:.e
House depeailed upon It. If the II wee did its
duty, the new doctrine spoken of would 1.1 beaten
down, *oil the true principles of the Cotetittitina
established, He therefore tttu►t etrae,tly recom-
mended unanimity, acid that the hest understanding
might livered on all side*. Tu aceornpliah this he
trusted his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) would withdraw the iiitter part of
his motion, relative to the delivering an amnion, Hod
instead of that, adopt a tuotion to the ett<t•', that
the report should be as to facts and preceilems,
with the observations of the Committee thereon.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXEHEQUER was glad
the Ilea. Geutlemen over the way had at I ist ar-
gued thetuselvre into the opiuiuu that re party con-
sideretion ought to eater into thus &Lite. %Viten
lir first introduced the subject, he ital thought,
that if ever there was one calculated not to call
rot tit party feelings, it was this ; Ult,l Rae, therefore
the more surprised at the sreriuth it ex ii the
Hilo. and Itieltt ITuu. Geotletrien oppoe.••
Whitbread and Mr. Tierney). Ile wet c eled on
in candour to agree to nn a inedinent, fur the sake
of ueatiimity. Why, if he alto led himself to be
persuaded to this, Neether Geutleinen might start
up, at. tee Hen. Gentleeem had dune, and Vell".l4e
him of incapacity, Want of foresight,
and thiourea of small. Ile .lid sincerely lam •nt
that the subject had hem liken up with so much
party spirit, as he at least expected neutrality in
tit cousideration of Ovine the House of Com-
mons into the right %see of acting. Instead of
that, however. the 11-1 eon: .dile and Right Ho-
nourithie Gentlemen had seieed, with avidity, the
eppaituitity of reviling those again.' whom they
were eperwel in pinkies. It war an opportuinty
too temptine for them to let Hear, kear.,/
Time even disclaimed unanimity in this matter,
uriti which all concurred, in a•certaiii degree, that
the very existence of the House depetuled. The
Reedit lion. Gentleman then defended himself
from the charge loul tigitinst him. Never was a
charge more groundless. It was as well founded
alpinist the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Putivoiaby), as against hint ; for, to that Gentleman
the opposite side of the House looked up fur an ex-
ample, as much is on his side. There were persous
who generally concurred with him ; but that Right
Hint. Gentleman, so far from favouriug them
with hi• *deice, hail distinctly told them, that he
would • not give his opinion till the House carne to
set. Why then was he and his side exchiStiely to
be blamed ? When the Sneaker acquainted them
that the notice was served, the view lie took
at that time was that it was only necessary to pre-
serve it on their Jourieile. The Gentlemen oppo-
site were not backward on other occasions in
giving ethic., and suegeeting atnendments. Why
did they nut do so then, if they consideied
the course pursued 114 reprehensible, as they
would now represent it to ht ? Perhaps they
were taken by surprise—but they had titue to re-
cover themselves, fur, owing to an inaccuracy, •se-
ctind notice was necessary smile lava after the first,
with which the same course he 1, eetliout • word of
censure, or the • •matiou of a teeitrary opinion
front any one, been adopted. Nu! The enlight-
ened mindh comprehensive understandings, and
extreindinsry talents, of th Gentlemen oposite,
were nut employed to enlighten their darkness, and
guide them from the ill cutinsels to which they were
attending. Even now, though they would con-
demn. they would not enlighten the House.—
Nay. the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsentiy)
withheld advice, and declared his opinion should
not be extracted from him. The Hon. Geutlemati
(Mr. Whitbread) accused him of not bovine fore.
seen the reeisteince which was opposed to the
House. It did not follow, frorn preceding parts,
that this would be the case ; but even uu the Hon.
Gentlemen's own grounds, it might here eit-utel in
a case of real obstruction, and the question then
came to this : whether an indiridnal would'quielly
submit to, or, as a strenuoas patriot, would resist
the law. Did the lion. Gentleman mean to aay,
that they were only to exert their privileges against
those who would not resist. If this was his way
of preserving the dignity of the House, he could
only say there was a very great difference between
their opinions. He was also accused of ignorance ;
and if he was inclined to retort, he would say, that
hi describing him, the Geutlemen opposite had
only given their own character. It would seem as
if they were ignorant of all precedents and itifor-
ntation on the subject, Did they not know that a
Committee was appointed in Int, on the matter of
a breach of privilege, and that they were instrected
to examine into facts and circumstances; to con-
bider whet further proceedings might hr itereeeary
to enforce these privileges and to give their reneirms
theme,. n ? Here was a preccileut in point; and he
trusted, netwithstaieding the asperity which .had
unrertunately been introduce-I hito this stiKlies
that when the Committee cane to be

appointed; only one sentiment would be &whit°
prevail.
Mr. Potisoanv said, the Right Hon. Gentleman
seemed to have lost his teirteer, beCaliete no one
would instruct him what to do- hie. WAS mortified
at the exposure of his oat ignorance, and .could
And no other way of getting released from his un-
easy sensations, but by utht-king tli..se on the other
aide. A. fur himself lie knew not ally he ought to
advise the Right Hon. Gentleman, or the House
wets, that ell the advice he had already offered
than on this very subject, had been rejected and
over-ruled. lie had advised, and the Right Hon.
Genii einau persevered in opposition to that advice,
mud now lie had got into ddlieulties—he called ou
those whuse suggestions he had disregarded, to help
to extricate loin. They had it from the highest
authority When the blind lead the blind both
will fall in the ditch;" and so it turned out in the
prevent instance, where the Route had only itself to
blame for agreeing to be so ltd. Whom did they
commit? The man who published a Manifesto,
which, I:lle4girig Sir Francis Beirdett's pardon, wave
its his opinion, a very foolish production, deuy-
ing their right to commit. And yet they expected
no resistant e. On hl% side, they only said this :
You ought to have expected resistance, and to
have been prepared to she* what was further to
bee done after the occurrence toak place." If they
Intel advised the measure, the Right Finn. Gentle.
lain would have expeettd in, Ices of them; and
yet he complained, because that was required of
him, which lie amold have required of others hot si-
milar sieeiation. The. RightGr.itl..#l4ll
ensed him or giving nu opinion. Vanity might
have misled him to to do, and ;le would have emu-
milted Ihuiself to a premature nphimn, find hash the
consolation to Le outvoted in it by the R gilt iiuu.
Geist. Ile would give his opinion (ethic!' etas made
tip) at the proper time, but till then, he wont • nut lie.
intuited itito it prematurely. It was the duty of
Ministers who necessaiily had the cm:ll:letter of
the Ho-use reposed in therm; who were resprnisilde ;
who lied a knowleilge of facts, from their situation,
which °Otero lintl not ; it was their deity to hove
painted out tlt•-! way which it would be most lit to
pors.te. Tnetr out d g so, proceeded from
pusillanimity, mid a dread of incurring respoosi-.

Mr. 11"ntritacso observed, that the Right Hon.
Gent. (ihe Chancellor of the Exchequer) bad in-
vented a speech for hits and answered it. He was
glad the Iti46t Flom Gent who began so languidly
Ictri bees ah!e to lash hitwelf up to the feverish
debility with which, he concluded Isis speech. All
he had to say on it was, that he had never held
such opiiiian or uttered sub word. as were its.
pitted to him.
Mr. W. WYNNE said, the Right Hon. Gent.
had ChOifell a very unhappy subject for a precedent
in the proceedings of 1771.. Then. as now, re-
sistance was offered to the privil-ges of the House,
end the weak Administration of the day were
frightened, and the individual escaped commit-
ment. A Committee was appointed to ingaire
wind further proceedings were fitting ; which, after
sitting 17 days, wive 111 a reieort, stating an opi-
nion. that Join' Miller ought to be retaken, bat
wisely holding their tongues as to the alleluia ur
m inner of effecting this purpose. Their conduct
we." like that of the rats..lo council. coasidastmg.
what was hest to be •done spinet the approach of
their enemies, the cats. It was tccusninended to
hulig a bell toood their neck.; hut no rat knew
the way to arca up!ish this desirable object. There
were many important csusicleratiohs mixed with
this question. It was material to consider, whether
the House ought not to issue a prohibition against
the interference of a Court of Law. Lord Kenyan
had declared, that the Court of Kiug's Beni!)
would not listen to this in a common cause, but the
present wee no rommou cans,.. There were also
many other niu&stioiis of the sat no.t nnignito ie in-
volved in the Tie.tion ; too gre.it, in Ins opinion,
to he delegated by the House to a Cuminittee.
Strainers acre then etcladed from the gallery,
and. we understand, a division tsrik place eil the
ameisdinent, to leave out the tatter part of the
motion. directing the Committee to deliver au
opiiiion :
Ayes • • •
hurs ll5

Majority against t►e Amendment 47
Another divison took place on the mein qnes-
tion, as prnpnted by the CHANcitu.oe of the
Excriciavne:—
Ayes ii6
Awes 46 •

Majmity
On nor re-.l4laus,ion we (nand the SPEAX6II
rending over the names proposed for the Com-
mittee

Mr. TIERNEY objected to the nomination of
those who rlll4 01111011.1d•the motion, 011 the ground
that the Committee ought to deliver no opinion.
It was rather strauge to appoint men to give an
opinion, who had voter against any opinion being
given at all.
The CHANCELLOR of the Excursions did not
expect, in a question of such moment, any Gentle-
mal would be above lending his asiii.tance.
Mr. Tit:nage maid, those in that situation, who
were present, dechised the nomination. If the
Right Hon. Gentleman wowed to grace his Com-
mittee from their side of the Haus., he was mis-
taken.

The eIItNCRLLOR of the Exusequea wanted
no grace from that side.
Mr. JEKYLL 'Mt .t to the candour of the flight
Hun. Gen,leman, if it was right to nominee those
to • Cotnrnitee who were averse to its constitution.
He lamented the present question ; it was one he
had hoped never would have come under the tons-
sider,ition of the House; hut it could not be
avoided, as the Speaker was 611311(1, under these
circumstances, to throw himself upon the [Lome
for advice and t outtiel. God knew they had got into
a &lemma, and how much would they pow give to
be able to retrace their steps.—(3/mernort of it:l,
no./ They had got into a dilenoun the most ps.ti-
NI, and he put it to his Right lion. Friend, if
he *nubd persist in nominating those, on the Cum-
mit..e. who were averse to the principle, aud had
,duclatcol ~dung.
The motion ws. then pot a.irl c irried.
CA VTA I N FOSQUIT.
_ _

M. LYTM.TIIII lIWU*. that lie .0,1.1 .n.
-mu, row more for copies of ael papers Ai the A.l-

.ante-Cimerel's awe ridiGhg to Capt. Jeklll.
(4 '14,10 I)—He would also, on Thursday sec-
night, briug forward his motios on the sis*m of
Capt Fosquit. , He had Dow ally to state that die
object of his motion would be a censure oaths
Commander-in-Chief. forisot busier/ complied with
the Stith section of the Articles of War, and also Ms
Address to His Maje•ity, praying that• be ita44l
direct all commuoicatious in future to be transmit*
ted to him.

I

Rtain's OF THE Liverty OF LOHDOX
Mr. Alderman Cower said, it was neediest •
in him to comment at any length upon the Meats+
Cages accruing from the nght of petitioning, which
wu inherent in freemen. Well might, it be celled
the palladium of British liberties. There went •
three modes of getting a petition to the &Yemeni •
prosented—let. By. means of the Secretary of
State, by which it had but a small chance of reef
reaching His Majesty.—.idly. PitSoo4 who had.
from their high stations, access to His MAjetty.
might present their own petitions-sad Idly. Pete.
tions might be presented to His Majesty on the
throne but it was said this privilege was confined
to the Corporatioo of London end the two Universi-
ties. The City of London consisted of font
public bodies—let. The Cnnn of Aldermen, villa
never petitioued—.ld. • The Court of Common
Council, who were always allowed the priv:lego•
of presenter, their petitions to the King epee
the thronefo:ed. The Court of Lieutenautry,
a petition from which had hew reeeived on the
throne, iu 1775--And 4th and Imlay. the greatest
body of the whole. the Livery of London, emu-
timely known by the name of the Coramon.hall.-.-
They had long claimed the right of propeolleg their
petitions to the King on the tlwone. Ho had taken
US mach pains is be could to trace the progress sod
ei Tea moaners atteosling this claim.. and would sow
briefly state them An the House. In 17fie, a petition
• from the Cnminoieliall was presented at the Levee, • '
the Sheriffs not Miring been instructed to premed it
to the Throne. The next address was in 1770, whim .
the Shenffs, according to instruction,. claimed as
audience, to know when His Majesty wouldveceive
them on the Tnrone. The answer they recelsog
was. that this was a new c;ise. and His 1/lajeste
would consider it. After consideration. His Ms.
jest,' collocated. and did receive it on the Throw;
and from this time the precedent was establish.
ed. la 1771, a similer address wits alas tea . •
ceived, in the same manure. with this *seep. •
tine, Mat Lord Hertford wrote to the Lord
Mayor, not to permit too numerous an attend-
mum of else Livery. In 1773 another tabs* wall
presented to the King on the Throne. sad met . •
*newer returned, without a question of the privilege.
In 1775, there were two addresses. The Met is
April, which was presented to His Majesty es the •
throne. as before. After this. however, them was •
letter horn Lord Hertford to the Lord Mayor. say.
lug, that the King wield receive no other petitseas
• on the Throne, bet those of the Caisson ConociL
This wu received with great divapprobation lug the
Common Hell, which came Se several reseintioate • •
strongly ex 'we of their abhorrence of the atito
and of coodrmstioa of their rights. The mat ad. .
drew in June, the same year, was refesed to be no
creinsil on the Throe,: but Ili. hiliest said, be
was always willing to hems to the el
hie subeitee,• and • would iestaive it 011- the • -11mek•-•
Levee day. U. below reseed to receive it'ou tAte
Throne. His Majesty declared he was the bees
judge of the place where he would receive it. la
1781. an address was ,greed t.. and the Shaine
instructed. as before. to ask an audwoce, to knew
when Hie Majesty would receive it. Ilis Majesty's
answer was, he +mold let them kite, ; and the next
Levee was fixed. The consequence was, that this,
like the two precediag.. was never presented. la
1797, after similar Arum at the Hall, the She.
riff, went to St. Jaiute's, and saw the Doke of
Portlainl. (the thee Secretell4 wino informed ti
Ilia Majesty would only receive them at the Levee. •
With this sneer the Livery were dissatisfied, and -
sent them back to au audience of I its Misstep from
whom they had a sinelar answer. The Petition was
not preseeted. Tu tote) a similar &sin of occurrens
ces took place, when the Sheriffs waited ou the King
at Weymouth, in coreeqiience of which the Hall
came to strong resolutions respecting their right,
and ceosuriag his advisers; which resolutions were .
put into his Majesty's hand et Windsor. He then .
recapitielated the foregoing statement. The Livery
had great reason to complaiie Lastymethe oust's,
borne down with taxes, the more grievous from the
waste of public mosey, and the frauds and bank.
rupteies of collectors, not checked or looked after
disgusted by the scandalous Convention of Claire,
their Petition spinet which they could set pricers
the presentation of—having se coafidence in Minis*
ters, who had no confidence is themselves, and
were distracted by ietestine cabals sad ensigns" ;
these Citizens earns to certain Resolutions on the
disgraceful Expedition to Walcheren, and. on the
consideration of the state of His Majesty's sid.
though not saving their privilege, agreed to their
bring prevented at the Levee. On the 14th of De.
*ember, they applied by theirShetiffs to'know what
time they could present themselves, and they were
told to send their Resolutions to the Secretary of
State. The Hall repeated their farmer Reeelatteues
and instructed the Lord Mayor. title* to ream*
their Address to the King's own lianef,..er het at '
all. His Majesty was receiving the petitions of the
University in another room. end yet as modicum
was refused to them. la fee. to their several ap-
plications they met with soiling hot reloads ; ruhd
at was of this he complained, that they could not
present their address, even in the way io which Hie
Majesty said he was always ready to receive the
petitions of his subjects, but were referred to a
• Secretary of State. upon these 'remolds, he would
- move. " That the obstruction made by Hie Me. •
jesity's Ministers to the presentation of the address
of the Lord Mayor. Aldermen, Common Omuta.
.81:11,11.is n in,,lngeul of Livery
e offondo,rual
the
Couir;ohnis
audleillliabiesetzesu.
of the solojeet."
Sir V. M. Cc ITIS secamted the motels. Re cop
ceived that the rouduct of Idinistess, with lonia •
t .
t • the petitioo from the city, bed beam edit IsiSe •
and
S.r CHAR Pelee rose to fa ppie*-1110, mops. •
Ue eonc.feed the present subject teas MOP only ee.
Icasino upon which the crowding'sf itasiosts wee is
tae least degree. reprehensible. The* icasedenit in
le,.drog oat many of the 11frafrithe Piet highly

tpraiseswerthyte.s(heer, heer)-eand their exertions
to restoring peace and tranquillity to the city, upon
the late turbulent occasion, was no less deserving
of adminstion. Fie recotlectel the riots and coo-
fusion of the year 17so, the • recurrence of which
evils had been revealed by the activity, zeal, and
vigilance of Ministers. The mode which they lied
adopted with regard to the petition, was the only
thing which, in his opinion, subjected them to the
slightest degree of just • ll i iiiiiiiiiiiii and, as
they were reprehensible in that instance, bethought
it his duty to siipourt the motion.
Sir JAMBI SHAW • went upon the same grounds
which the worthy Alderman (Combe) had taken.—
The Common Hall had been legally assembler!,
end their petition should have been received. Ile
conceived that it would have been an act of policy
and propriety in Ministers to have advised His Ma-
jesty's reception of the petition.
Mr. Secretary RYDER felt hurt that a wrong
caostructiou had been placed upon the act under
il,e present consideration of the Ilotis.e. The
was by no mem% one of a trivial nature,
',lc .houM be considered in a roost serious light, as
,ataiiiing a direct charge against Ministers; and
el great moment—a charge for infringing the
lights of the sabject. If such could be proved
w4ainst them, the motion had not gone far enough.
If Ministers had opposed the right of petitioning,
they should receive, not an implied evaisure, but
a positive animadversion from that House. But
he could satisfy the Hoese, that there were no
grounds whatever for any accusation. The first
question was, whether the Livery had any rights
above any others of His Majesty's subjects?-1 hey
had not stated that Ministers attempted to curtail
or abridge any of their privileges ; the only com-
plaint they had mode was, that Ministers had pre.
vented His Majesty's reception of their petition on
the Throne. Of this they complained, and the
foundation of their complaint was true. He would
prove, however, to the Horse; that this mode of
presenting petitions was not a right belougitig to the
Livery. The Honourable Gentleman (Alderman
Comte) had add, that, in the year 1770, and up.
outdo, there were many occaslons upon which the
Livery went with petitions to the Throne ; that
certainly was the case; Im., in the year 1775, a let-
ter Was sent !rout the Secretary of State, stating,
that nn eddies.; or petition would Ise received upon
the Throne, except those from the Body Corp*.
rate. He spoke before those who well knew
the great popular ferment of those day.; when
Wilkes was exulting ii the perfection
.of his
tanhatious projects, oat a volcano extinct, blot a
velcano in the midst of an eruption. What was
Wilkee's conduct open receiving this letter It
would be naturally imagined, that if Wilkes
thought the rights ratite Livery had been infringed
by this denial, he would immediately have sum-
Matted a Continues Hall. He did not adopt such a
istrawire. On the 1 1 th of April, the letter was re-
ceived by him, and, on the 24th of June, an in-
terval of eight weeks, he took public notice of its
contents—the Livery met—passed some s talent
resolistions ugainst Ministers, and instructed their
represents ors so Parliament to attack them vigo-
rously. gut what did Wilkes, Oliver, and Sitl”er.
those Neat few; under such circumstances? They
uttered note word respecting the letter for a length
of time ; and such a conduct was a proof that there
was no possible ground upon which to attack
Ministers. They felt that the Livery had been
put ow a footing with the rest of His Majesty's
sohjects, and that it was an act of justice to
dm so. He then quoted Hudson's Precedents,
where he lierierts, that the right of present-
ing petitions to the throne, belonged ooly to
bodies corporate ; and read the letter which he
had on!ten by cointnaud of His Mnjesty, up-
on'the subject of the petition from the Livery;
he concluded with observing, that he had fully
performed his official duty, with respect to it ;
and, he heliesed, nu petition hsd ever been delivered
at his office, which wee nut presented to His Mee
jest
Lard FOLEATORE said, that;tholigh the circum-
stance of an ooposition given by Ministers to liii
Majesty's receiving petitions might have been over.
looked hitherto in that House, yet he ea convinced
that the temple had sorely felt such a grievance,
and had fail cause to comtilaiii loudly of Pa ef-
fects. In the county of Berk. this silictimi had
been very heavily felt awl strongly complained of.
Ile would state the pr grin by which the suhjtet
hail been curtailed of his light of petaioeing. It
was the custom. a' the commenceinent of the
present reigns, for any person to present his petition
to His Majesty. He instanced the cape of Margaret
Nicholson. It was afirreards ordered that no pe.
Latino should. he delivered at levees, except under
pirticnlar circumstances. And at present nothing
existed but the right of sending petitions by the
Lord Mayor or the Secretaly of S(4le. The Right
Hon. Gent, said., that he 'relieved oo petition had
ever been received at his office whirls cashed pie.
stilted to His M jesty. Was Shire supposition all
upon which the House had to depend ? He had
heard that many petitioos were fotiorl, long after
their deli% ery at the Scereotry's Office, in the pigeon
holt-, of that Office, unpresented to Ilis Majesty.
It loss a rein irkable circionstatice, that if addresses
were framed in praise of Ministers, these immee
diattly appea.e.l in The eva:eite. an acknowledg-
ment that 11,3 Majesty was graciously phrased to
ser.ise them: but tally of sit opposite tendem y.
lib reprodeition of their egotism:. were excluded
from publication. It was impossiltle, that, if these
latter were preweisted to His Majesty, he would not
h Ivy attended with reps care acid attention 'to
Alien contents ; w the complainants were as loyal
awl well affected to the interests of the State as the
p ;teegyri,ds. fie then read the. copy of • letter
froata • Gentleinsis, who framed an address, and
sootiest to the Secretary to re-. 41 it to the King :
this the demean. said he mild not presume to JO,
without Os Majesty's leave. The address, of
c mews, was sot attended with the desired effect.—
'lle Noble tosrd concluded- with saying, that, as
the present day sanctioned the conduct of Wilkes,
toil Oliver. and Sawyer, so would posterity wow.
lino the conduct observed by the Lavery, upon
this most napartant occasion.
Mr. %tempi.% said, the Noble Lord had entered
•,••• a •ohject different from that epos which the
fiomareh,e Maser bad spoken. h sorely could
nesi ter imagined, that the Liver, should enjoy a
ponies, bust which the rest of Ms Majesty's subs

jeeps were 'ample& The letter to which His
Lordship had alluded, was written by Major Cart-
wright, and the Setretary was by no means repre-
hensible for the conduct he had ptirsued, with re-
"wet to that Gentles:la:is Address to His Majesty.
His entire duty was to deliver any petition. As to
the publicat on of all addresses in The Gazeites,
he did not conceive that there existed any nec,ssity
for such a inesseire. He did not conceive 4hat the
people of Berkshire were displeased in consequence
of the fate of their address. They, on the contrary.
exhibited proofs of conteut and sat is!action.
Mr. HORN ER said, that, for bringing forward the
present question. his Hon. Friend deserved the
thanks of his country. The speech of tire Right
lion. Gentleman (the Secretary of Stat••) was, one
would imagine, prepared and composed of those
volcanos to which it alluded. He conceived the
present question, important as it was, received ten-
fold importance from the manner in which it
was met. He thought the right of petitioning was
nugatory, except it was extended to the present-
ment of the petition to His Majesty in person.—
Nothing could he better Understood than that pe-
titions to His Majesty should he couched in most
submissive terms, and the dental was a violation of
the right.
Tim House then divided, when there appeared,
For the Molise
Apirst it
•

I.sv

Majority is favour of Ministers su
DUKE OF BRUNSWICK.
Upon re-entering the gallery, we found Mr.
WitITSIMAD upon his legs, objecting to receiving
the Report respecting the grant to the Duke of
Brunswick.
Mr. Tteattey wished to know what profits the
Duke had from the regiment under his coosasand ?
He wished to be liberal to the Duke, but at the
same time he wished to do justice.
The Cuarcet.Loa of the EXCHEQUIS said, he
conceived the mount of the Duke's receipts were
between 14 and 1,5001. per annum.
Mr. TtEas iv then asked what amount was con-
tained in the Droll, of Admirelty, which might be
applied to such necessities ?
Mr. PousoNav concdved the grant ton large.
The Duchess had moon!. per annum, and the ad-
dition of 7,0001. be thought teo much ; 5,0001. was.
in his opinion, sufficieet.
The Cusneat•oa of the EICHEQUIR said , (in
answer to Mr. Tierney). that be was not prepared
to answer his question at that moment.
The Resoluties was then agreed to.
SUPPLY.
Mr. Losmieson brought up the Report of the
Supply. The Resolutions were agreed to.
NAVY ESIIIIATES.
Upon the motion, " That the House should go
into 4 Committee upon the Navy Estimatts,"
Mr. HUMISSON said, that before the House
went into a Committee, he was desirous of hay-
log some further documents, as be could not. with-
out them, lay the case before. the House with mos
canary and dearness. He *Weld, then. in • few
days, be able fully to by it before the House. He
thought it necessary. with respect to the transports,
that a select Committee should he appointed. be-
cau,.e the ieformatiou of naval officors, which could
he oily had in a Select Committee, was most ne-
cessary._

The CIUNCILLIM of the Eleuennet said, that
he was willing that the Right Hon. Gentlemen
should have a few days for whatever preparation
he thought fit. tie did not think the alteration
which was meant with respect to the transports
would be a clic pee mode of ncting than that anode
which had hitherto been adopted.
Mr. ROOM and Mr. GllOll.Oll Ross,
contended, tht i • . sold sint be an objection to the
House going .11 o Committee.
Sir CH times Pots said, he understood that the
estimates would amount to twenty. minima this
year, and that they were only Nineteen williess last
y-sir. When voting away se large a sum of money,
it was necessary there should be a full House, and
that it should be brought forward at an early hour,
to give an opportunity for a fair discussion.
Mr. WILLIAM Smell said, he was perfectly of
opinion with the lion. Baronet who spoke last.
Mr. CALCRAFT• thought it could not interfere
much with the public business, that it should be
postponed to Vl'ednesday ur Friday.
The CH excel-Loa of she Eicutpusa stated,
that there was husiliess for every day to the week;
perhaps Wtiluesday was the most open; he would,
therefore, at the request of hi. Right Hots. Friend,
(Nlr. Huskiiaion) agree to the Committee being
postponed to that day.
It was accordingly agreed tn.
FLAX SEED. •
Mr. Fusree moved, That the House should
resole well lute • COminiiire on the loth Flax
Seed Scgolation Bill."
o.i the question being pot by the SPEAKER,
Sir J.ttsa NIMPOILT ram, and in a spe.-ch of
Some length opposed it. He said the bill was brought
forward fmni expressions made use of in t•iat
ou the question of the Orders in Canoed,
last Session, as they related to America. inspectors
or Commissioners were sent from Ireland to this
country to find IllazAteed fit for sowing; they investi-
gated all the oil mills of this country, and branded
the casks that they thought fit for that use. with the
royal brind, which was intended to be a certificate
to the buyer. that it would answer the purpose
that he intended it for; but in nine cases out of ten,
they were deceived; and the present Bill went to
itedemnife the sellers against rebores being brought
spinet theta, without their unfortunate customers
had a written warranty. He the on. Bart. I • I a
coneemstion with use of rho; H
Consimasioners. who
told hiss be thought it was better that Ireland
dsonbl have half a cross of flax than none. Could
this be considered a. an answer to the poor culti-
tutor of the article, when he w is led to heliere,
that, by the Kitig'• brand, he was flee from
itN-
position. lie could say further. that mass,
had not a .crop sit all, and they ar.d thew
families had been made objects of charily.—
. lie would not, et that late hour of Ow night,
enter farther into time queetion, but he thought
lion. Gentlemen on the opposite side, would feel at
least the necessity of its committal being post-
poned.
Mr. Foirea contended. that the bill was mem,
wiry to prevent the kind of perjury and cerreptieet,

that were, even at the present time, going forward in
Ireland. _

hlt. Pots mes' declared, that be could never
*agree to such a measure as was then proposed.—
The preamble of the Bill set oat, that no man could
bring an action against another for selling him au
article inferior in quality to what he agreed for,
without his having a written warranty. The Bill
went to do away with that which he never would
consent to, the right of the subject to bring an ac-
tion. He would osk why actions of this nature
should bo more liable to encourage perjury than any
other ? He wished that an Hon. Gent. opposite him
(the Attorney-General) would give his opinion of
such a Bill ; what would be the opinion of the pre-
sent Lord Chancellor, who knows the nature of the
Bill of Frauds as well as any other man in the
empire, on its being brought under his consider-
ation ? It would be, that it was unconstitutional,
that any class of men should be deprived of the
right of applying to the burs of their country for
redress, when aggrieved or imposed on. It Wa•
contended by the Hon. Gentleman, (Mr. Foster,)
that all the actions that had been brought, were
supported by perjury and fraud. How he could sup-
port this argument, be was at a loss to know,
whoa it was agreed on all sides, that the inspectors
only contemplated a half crop, and the sowers
were led to believe, under the stamp of Govern-
ment, they were purchasing that which would gi%e
a full crop. Under thaws considerations, he would
oppose the bill in every stage.
Mr. Fosysa, in explanation, said, that the num-
ber of actions was great, and that the perjuries
were still more name Ams.

Mr. PONSONRY explained, and said, he pro-
tested against the whole measure the Dill had iu
contemplation.
Sir CHARLES PatcE complained touch of what
the oil merchants had suffered. The inspectors
came to England, and took upon themselves to
say. whether the seed would answer or not. Those
they bought it of never considered, or tl ght,
that they would be called on to guarantee that
it •boold produce an extensive crop. He had
documents in his possession from Mr. Mac-
Kenzie. an agent, of au acuou having been brought
against him from the failure of the produce of sotne
of this seed. where a verdict was given against him
of 101. ; the costs amounted to 701. The letters
also mentioned, that the juries and witnesses were
preyossemed against the English dealer.

• Mr. A. BARING thought the bill had a tendency
to oppression, which ought not to he encouraged,
and was of opinion, that it was like a proposition
which had been made by the Right Hun. Gent.
Mr. Foster, to corer Excise Officers, which had
been thrown out by that House.

Mr. GIIOIIGI unlit, Mr. WELLltattt POLE.
and the ATTuaNtY.GINIaaI.. said a few words iu

ivour of the committal of the bill.

Mr. BABINGTON opposed it ; and said, he was
sorry to hear there was so much perjury in [rebind.
Mr. Forrsa spoke spin in explanation, and
said, his whole intention in proposing the Bill wax,
to put an end to the system of perjury, which was
so eagerly pursued in that country.
Sir Joule NEWPORT moved, if That the Bill
should be committed that day three months."
Strangers were ordered to withdraw ; but, on
counting the Members, there were only thirty-one
present, which not bring sufficient to forma House,
they adjourned at HA I.F.PAST OKI O'CLOCK.