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anA Ale, Wenard 62d. Bet -.4 sank aaa 61e, Oka ;
rank nail 61e, warned/4d.
Total-3 gunners, 8 rank and tie, killed; bombardier,•
ad rank ad Me, wounded.
'suPied) J. CAMPBELL, Brig.-Gen
klmaina, zoth Feb. laud. Adjoant-Genand.

rtamrodiel7ll;:g k Ivo recommend in the strongest terms
1%, 1 4
m
is your Lordship's sot • end prom mew The ability, veal,
sod pilaw',
displayed r him to the arfeioe of this little
fortress, deserve my wattehat praise PlAlCOVillUellfltion.
When year liegehlelp count to roomier what the tomalleys
of the enemy were berme Willa, with a straw; supporting
army at hid, from ',bleb be *meld drat.. reinforeenients at
Plemulsi I treat it will appear to yogi Loidshop diet pre-
dome would sot have warranted tny walnut; a titre/mom,
is "mar of Scylla, by riskiug a humbug on the Calibeitio
shore.
The only reirtaiuing effort therefore that I could intke, woo
to pelmet the breve perigee Gelling into the corers
bands; and this, with the eo-opteation and assistance of the
amyl hem wader Captain Otway, has bees happily effected
in mice day, ender the enemy's ire, with mach Iris loss than
might remote:ably have been expected.
1 have BM homier to be, he.
J. C. SHERBROOLE, Major-Gen.
Messina, February is, egrt.
SIR-1. Mediates to year mime I have the hoover to
report the porticolars of what occurred since the tint appear.
ince of the emery bear.. Scylla.
After being lammed by General Reguier's army during
omen weeks, and battered fur six dam by foorteen pieces of
heat' ordnance, the little Castle of Scylla bas fallen note
his lauds. But 1 Lam the heartfelt satisfaction to add,
that elm one of the gallant garrison placed amber my orders
has become his primmer.
lu the latter cud of December, the arrival of troops and
ordnance mom at Smother* left sae so room to dintlit the
enemy's intention of bestegtug Scylla, sod parties of the
peasantry were accurditigly sent out to render the passes of
holano impracticable, and to create utemarke to his advance,
by cuts across the various paths which lead from the Weights
of Mills down to Scylla. This sot k, as well as the levelling
of hates, he. prueactied rapidly nod effectaally seder the
direction of Captain Nicholas, Aisestaut-Quarter.filester.
Oatmeal ; whim, noun the :mat of December, the advanced
wochotea, and the out-posts of the Mawr, were driven in
by three 'reach battalions, and • detachment of cava'ry,
ander Gloated )fillet, which took post al • i the heights
oboe. us; awl on the dellowiug day Regtuer brought op
two more battalions, and spreading his out-pmts. to
ratemins, Bagmen. he. completed the um, tarmac of the
town. At this tune the-Germaine of the Castle emulated of
about two hundred British, sod from four to five hundred
Noes occupied the town.
The enemy's troops were now incessantly employed in
liarain:', the nimbi mettessery fur bringing his heavy ordnance
from Semisoft", while we laboured to render the approach to
Scylla theicalt, sad liarassed the French by constant attacks
00 big oat-pairs with parties of the thew, mot ocomeomilly
with boats. la sower these partial ammo& for canny saC
rued severely partimiterly in s night smack At aapttra,
what the Vieitignem of the hid Light Infantry 'WM eat to
"woo
Owitig to thus shocks, the ?reach were retarded until the
6th of Feleosary, whin they descended the heigliss in furor,
and mime within a intent range of our gam; soil from that
day they henueneof oar littielCastle with all the leteiled pee-
contemn- er a regular siege, in emering hie app. uaches and
eommesiestious. The mirmisbes beletel the mime), sod
the Vain Demme very ItlisUß; the latter displayed ;seat
gallantry • and cajoiing the support el the Caul( gal..,
obliged the French to parchein their whams with betty
loss ; bin, ow the mil, were obliged to yield to the needier,
of the enemy, e Ito 'minket the town ow all sides ; oar gem,
iteltetVt, rums, it their retreat ; and I bed the satisfaction of
semitug off done ham gmesbauts to Messina, without leanly;
• tams is the enemy', hands ...
The lice which General !teenier hid heeded to besiege
bcylla, consisted of a hotly of cavalry, the 9Jd light hi.
(missy, the Ist, dtd, sad joist of the Lim, is all &beet six
thommod men . %tab five sty-puoaders, it's eightsome, and
four mortars, bend= field-meets.
Oa the wonting of the 1 • di he emoted his batteries, di-
'Acting his efforts to the distraction of our upper works, and
the disabliag of oar gees; while ander caner of this
ire, he laboured to establish two berechiegleetteries, at three
,sad leer handed yards distance. It was nut, however, tilt
the oath, that nor pampet mid gone were tendered totally
mashes ; me till then did the slaughter shale to .11141 their
putties employed on the breaching batteries were exposed
from tour grape and shells.
From thus muse ocir dehisce was confined to musketry, as
nor gum lay buried under the ruins el the parapet. and the

AdriralrHO'ri•e, April 12. 18OS,
Copy of a letter from Admiral 3lontags, Commander-hi-
Chid of HO 'Majesty's slops and vassals at Purtssoustli
and Sputwsd, to the Iluu. W.ll. Pyle, dated mi board
the Royal Ihiliaro, at Spithead, the t lth ham.
Ste—lle ptra,t,i to My before the Lords l'otossissionem
of the .Idua;ralty the inclosed letter from Captain the Flom
D. P. Boureric, of Ills Majesty's Amp 11erlisaa, staling his
having, on the morning of the 4th Inst. fallen io with and
cuptuntd L'Actif, French lugger privateer.
I hare the honour to be, 6.e.

G HO. MONTAGU

Ilia M'ajc<ty's ship Alrdu%a, Dunituse,
E.Y. it Iritoes, April 4, Ittnv.
- - -• •

Si so--I have the Lamar to infLrin you, that I have this
morning captured L'Airtif, lugger privet' cr, of Dieppe, a
1 4 gems. There were two utlwr 17i.eoch lugger privateers
eight at the time, one of a Inch bring very scar to Lrewer.
of Ili, I have cver reason to expert ue Ishmael have take.,
but that it ass ueerstiary to eaannue four merchant vrasels,
stiti:.k+g which the privateers were alien we first SSW "brie :
one of theme, • caseating sloop, we retook ; the others ha i
nut been boarded by the privateers
The three privateers left Cherhargh togethiv, yet:Act:day
'nursing ; au,l last night took a coasting sloop, besiiies the
one aboveiscationed, which we have out sere. L'Actif, as
it 'dorms y her log-book, boa made but one capture, a
collier brig, ditriug Ler differest cruises in the Channel, mace
her Out EI out in the beginning of Dee. lust. I sot, kc.
kfligneJ) D. P. BOUVERIE,
To George Montagu, Itaq. Admiral of ties

V. bite. 1.1.-&r. 6.r.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—Tungs.tv, AratL

Mr. John Clark au further heard in the appeal cause ea
the tiusburgli estate. Further evaaideratioa tu-suurraw.

INDICTMENT BILL.
Earl STANHOPE took au opportunity of calling
the attention of their Lordships to a Bill which
had been for some time on their table, and which
was alleged to be an improvement of the law with
respect to Informations hind ex eirNeie by the law
olliceri of the Crown. It had been not unfre-
guently a subject of reprobation in our criminal
jurisrradeoce, that a power not recognised by the
Coustituuou was assumed too often in cases of this
nature.. Indeed, if any change was at length
thought advisable, it was to be presumed that the
Legislature would feel more inclined to limit than
to extend their operation. This Bill having the
extension of that power as its leading object, was
entitled to most serious consideration. At present
he should content hintseil by moving. " That the
second reading he appointed for the Itith of May."
Lord Iloit•so expressed his intention of de-
daring. on the second reading, his objections to
this BM passing into i kw. He trusted, that on
that day the Noble Lords who were advocatm of
that measure would attend in their places, and
state to the [louse the reasons which THPINISOIeIOttII
its adoption.

The motion was carried, and the second reading
fixed for the 16th of May.

PROTESTANT ASCENDANCY.

The Duke of CUMBERLAND acquaiated the
House, that he held in his hand* a Petition from
the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Corporution of
the City of Dublin, praying that House not to re-
geies.•e in the prayer .f the Petition presented by
the Roman Catholics of Ireland. His Royal High-
ness stated, that he bail this Petition for some time
in his possession, and was then induced to present
it, in conaequencepif the notice of an intended too-
too given on this subject last night by a Noble
Baron (Grenville.)
Lord ADLRLAND declared, that had he been in
the House at the time when the Catholic Petition
was presented, he would have token the opportunity
of expressing the strong
sand sincere regret be felt
at pressing such a suNeet again into public discus-
sion. After its recent dim:tampion, a discussion the
most serious and conclusive that ever took place in
the history of l'arliaineot, it was the declared sense
of their Lordships, by a great majority, not to ac-
quiesce in the primer of the Petitioners ; he could
not but regret, that the same subject was again ED
precipitately pressed before the attentino of Par-
liament

•
Moe ate from are twenty-four pounders becalm isteataaat•
la the been time it discovered bun sticesptung to ashes the
tight lustiest, open whiel be cautioned at sea fir three
sue", but 1 affrelbewl without the expected success.
co the night of the isth, the Fre:.ch pushed ruend the
• but et the rock, with the toteution of d.stroyio; the sea
.eilsioeww, list we happily discovered theta, and best teem
AIN web the siestibler to chick thcr desperate satiation ex-
posed Hen.
I.i.e We trews the breaching bettelies bed ben verieosty
directed snits the estates of the oath, Orli the, best Seca.
wedleided Airy asinine the Loft banjo,' with such success,
that the breach wools' praise's!, hare beta pract.catde by the
ig evade!. 11 was under these mciteastaares that I re-
crieral soar orders tvevecosic theCastle,ated have the great as-

Clifiset.es of repnrcati, that re accent plashed Ova yesterday
ea,,reses, iu fob sloe of the entaiy, mod nithout.leariatz se
be heinual bellied. The spectate\ of the boats front Faros
core Coe French fe'l milinateoe of our &yips, hos she te..
piteous state of the nesiber aohlitse.d so to arse the short
oppoitoo.ty el as boor's toil Every battery enured its ut-
=Alia fisr unoi lb, Castle, sin! anbrepiently ups the hosts,
whale iefaatry., y 41116444 pieces, tried the breach nu eittitr
abbe.

The lignite?, win &esti off in succession, sad the em-
barkation elf. tied w...th the greatest order, isotwitlastanding
the tressisoduir. tire of grope, shells, Sae. Our loss is the
erred,. am sotall—and before we were a musket-shot &s-
-lant, ra Feetwb acme fa the tort.
The ettetzri, arrange/soot of the transport h•tata, esti

me. at war Jviii.chea,apan this eircasrol, &es high M-
aser to Captaia lrailupe, of His Meiji sty's ship Electra,
who persoloaly superintended this •ervice ; sad the tea.
duct of the officers and lawn saner ben was masked with
all the colleen lad dexterity tif British semen. I regret to
add. that sac of then wax killed in the apriatien, and tea
wissaded, seam of theta dastecready. The wafers, good
cambers of the garrison which I have had the geed &owe
to cosiniansh demises my warioest gratitude ; ascl thew is-
Urinal ipirit darner the Wege i hardly snore corniocudahle
than the seal with which they •wst through the heavy fa-
tigues that percesh.4 it.
The artachnielit ei the royal artillery was highly cosapi-
awes • the excellence of their giniaery was proved by the
worse boars winch the recall has sestaiseil ; sad I cannot
taiestrimiely express sty anise of the skill and lode:makable
seal which Lieutenant pans has displayed tin-Alluvia the
arty.

feel highly Warbled to the exertion of Cawing freiki
'has* of the 6.011, Jordan of the inch, sod Pringle of toe
• so well as to the officers sad wen under tear m.
from Ligrourneei Dichosa, of the Engitererii, 1 received
evrry assistasce ; and sty Adjoins; Lieut. Ilailfield, of the
• li,•• hors tbrimsgliout isdefatigably
I moues eisselede, Sir, witlunrt espesysMs my particular
dried., to Capt. Nicholas, Assistaat 4earu r • tl sstiv-e Woe-
rat, shone abilities and activity rendered ham eneineutly
mond. Avid I Iwo tbe astisfaerios of ridleetitr, that the
ininpart 1 Mre received frees all ranks bar coaled tar to
pit.Seylls dear; sad that Ileseral Repute olitaisert
possessios of this hide inure rains with the loss of severod
lionrireels ef hos best troops-
A retort) of our killed and wounded is assesed. We halt
kit arose :allied saes ; but miseidereg the weight of the
eaerny 6ri , the isasher is by no wane great.
1 hare the humor to be,
G. D. ROBEiII'SON,
enerisandase Scylla Castle.
To Major-Geodes! Sherbrooke, cumr soiling
the lie link Illigesty's trier in Sicily.
Sitters of the Killed sad Watseka of the dettelonews
(~onion the British Garrison of the Castle of Nelda, in
Csiabria„ hors the 4th to tke rebraary
. . _

Lord HOLLAND never could accede to the va-
lidity of such a position, that because, in former
Sessiuus of Parliament, that House had come to a
decision adverse to the views of a certain descrip-
tion of the King's subjects, therefore, that it oper-
ated as a bar to their future hopes and petitions.
But what were the circumstances which- particu-
larirtnarked this case ? It was true, that the House
did not accede to the prayer of the former Peti-
tions, neith-r did it reject them altogether ; the
motion was set aside by the carrying of the pre-
cious question ; and it must he in the recollection of
his Noble Friend, and of the other Noble Lords
who heard him, that many of those who then toted
for the previous question. expressed themselves
alone hostile to the time in which that Petition was
presetiteit It surely might be presumed. that
those olijections were removed, and that circutu-
stances had since riCimiredin render it advisable
for that bo.iv of people to submit their case to the

. .
Le.zi,listu re..
Lord II tWILESBURY intimated to his Noble
Fliend , that he was under an error in supposing
that the Motion founded on the former Petition of
the Irish ('utholics was over-ruled by the adoption
of the previono question. The fact he believed to
he, that the motion for sending that Petition to •
Com nsttce IVAI rejected by a very considerable ma-
jority of their Lordship....
Tilt! Petition of the Dublin 'C.-potation was
then read, and ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. BIOMES. Alderman CITIMTS, and some
other Members, brought up from the Commons
the Reversion Bill, the lnsh Wool Exportation
Bill, and some prinite Bills.
IIEVERAION BILL. _ _

On the motion for the brat reading of the Bill
for prohibiting the erant of offices in lieversion,
The Earl of D . took the opportunity of

moving- for ■n account of all the .)fh.oes held in
reversion, specifying the dates and amount of aaktry,
in Ireland.

The Earl of LAI:DEAD 41.£ moved, as an arnond-
meat, that the acconot should include England and
St otland.--Orderrd.
The Earl of Moths could not suffer the Bill to
pass its first stage without making some obsier-
ratwas upon its gruend merits. Highly as he re

*eyed Artillery-3 parr% killed ; 1 borthardw,
gassasem, wounded
rth Keg. IN lintt —3 real and fik., killed ; 14 rank and
Ale, wounded. 5d Oa Ragrnt rasl and file, killed ; 6 rank

vetted public epittionoasd desirous a; be was ef. 'State enight, establish an inconvenient precede,,.,
dways exhibiting a willingness tie accede to its 1 lick appeared to be a great mass of mutter, 1.,.,)
atigment, lie atilt did not see any ground's to a groat nia4 names of pe tsons set down, as if nee
hangs the opinion he had on a termer OCCSIROO h,t• I slkifsl it, inertly for nie purpose of g.;vint; irk:l4;a
;iireat-ott this subject. It had been totully inisuis- 1 to a errs, quantity ut peaer. It therefore di,t, 'it,
ierstoad by the public, mid he was oat of those I pear to Ise. tuiportaut tine the House seem!,' a,„„„,
viin could see no danger Irons eiviug to the Eee- i Yilat stro,tortion of name; a ere id that (teseeie ~,,,,
:utive Government that laudable ititilietice, which I wpm:A.ly tram these wits nal aetnsl, slzacd
.11 the end provided for the concerns of the pubtic. I lit order to ,rats it a rev .or l'etitiol, the h:,,;.
.ie was ready to admit, that when the rtglit of : lino. teentletnies (night to ii( taeli th.ost: Dailies tt,.t
;ranting rtbi'rSloll/1 Was vested in (lie Crown, it was , had beet, signed in the own tandwriting e: the per-
m abuse, but still it was to be recodected, that the I orn,e, :pal then, lie appreb...a,leel, there ,f,, .1 h,.: :,,,
aractice bad existed for three hundred years, arid I oleeetion to reeLiVe .t. To act otherwise ;.a, ,1,1,•,
tad the sanction of ancient usa,,e. lit; lucked, ally I contrary to t',.e tt,age of Pat liinnent, and migitt 0..
:orrupt grant of this stature he'd been made, iir if 1 CaSioll t', Tient iy,asitunti les of Imposatue. 1,, ~..
Mere were others which stood in the way of a sia- sous ntiOt come to the bar with petitiu.lS, :tins
I utary and wholesome regulatinie tee evistence ofl perhaps, with less candour, settliont statiic; the real
'itch eireuu.stanees coaatituted a just ground for i ci:CUal,tanceautaeluillig tile Sigivatures, wil:t • tl cir
,heir particular moditicatium The whole tenor of j Petition ustaht contain only the *ratline:lt, .if it St.:-
i-lis Nlniesty's reign proved, that in his beneficent ;;le individual. If his purriose could be rte,.- it-
aiiiid there predominated no teethe; for a rigorous plished, he would rather iacline to realise tne p,-
exereise of the rrerogatirr, where that exercise titian, protesting, ut the same tutee, soars-, flea e....
. trenched upon the true interests of his people. At taleisliment of such a practice as a p:uce•icie. is
present he had no motion to subutiton this subject, this could not be accomplished, he shanid ei••....
tea more strongly to impress the opinion he before to the receiving it.
stated, with respect to their Lordships' seeking a The SPEA LER observe4l, that it was qiii: a •I..'se.
20 iference with the [lliac of Commons, to aster- as a general rule, that a Petition slue-se-11,4 to :sa„
rain their views upon that measure, and particu- signatures annexed, which were declared he ii,e
lady because, in one part of this Bill, there was a j persotis preventing it net to be in the hand-Writes%
reference to further objects of ruforni and retrench- of the iudiyiduals themselves, could not be i,!-
, meat. I reined, unless the others could be detached. 11.
Earl GROSVENOR said, in the second stage of should think it his duty to warn the HOUR iteistaa
this Bill he would certainly feel it his duty to receiving Petitions standitig it, seas a. peeshca-
advert to the observations of the Noble Earl I went.
(Moira). He then only wished to know, wisest it Mr. TIERNEY gave it as Isis opinion, that with-
was intended to read this Bill a second time ? out any disrespect to the Chair, the House mieht
Lord Heweassuav proposed the 9th of May, adopt a contrary course. No man !comb! po•sibly
as the most convenient day. The Order was t doubt that from Ireland, upon the Catholic gee-
adopted, and the Peers were ordered to be stn- tine, signatures to the amount of two or t nee intl.
mooed on that day. lions might he easily procured. The duly slat-
The Irish Duties Bill went fluent a Com- eutty that arose in this partieolar case sae whether
slitter, sod was reported. his Right Honourable Freud, having stat-il that
On the metiou of the LORD CIIANCELLOR, the some of the Petitioners had not at-Neils siened,
Scotch Judicature Bill went through a Committee, the House could receive it as the Petitioa of *cue
when the blanks were filled up, and the report or- who had actually-signed it ? In this, however, he
dere/ to be received tbesuorrow.—Adjourned. found us difficulty, for he conceived that great
hardships might ensue in permitting such a ge-
neral rule as that stated to be rigorously enforce-.!.
Were it to be so, many a Petition might he re-
jected, in consequence of seine iteLviduals au-
thorising others to sign for theta, not knowine ex
fora,* of the House ii such cases. it could last
be said that the House was takes by surprise upon
the present occasion, as there could be no doubt
of what were the general setaintents of the whole
Catholic Body in Ireland. He should therefore
propose, that the Petition be now reteired as that
Petition of those whose signatures were said to be
adhibited bona fide.
The Right lion. MAI:RICE FITZGERALD (Knight
of Kerry,) said, that althofigh no difficatties coo:•1
arise from transmitting the Petition to Ireland to he
re-signed, lie was convinced tench more public no-
convenience would result front taking that course,
than froin adopting the mode proposed be his
Right Hon. Frieud. He agreed in the obserritions
wallaby the I est speaker, tbat many mischievonsroia-
gequence.i nilght eimue from malevolent personctige-
, ing named of persons without authority, ire order tb
defeat the Petition. With respect to petitions in e-
mend, there might surely be found times better
Adapted for rectifying such error,. What would be
theconsequence in regard to election petitions, which
are limited in ,point of time, if, at the put
moment appointed for receiving them, a person
were fraudulently to sign them, and that fraud
not be discovered until the time had expired '
The Petition would, in that case, be declared of DO
avail. Having inquired as to many of the signa-
tures to this Petition, he was extremely desirous
that it should be now received. The number of
signatures to it were 17,000, and amongst those
were several thousands of reid original signatures.
Banks these there were many others authenticated
by authority in their hand-writing. It would be very
unreasonable,therefore, that witch a Petition should
be defeuted, merely on account of the circumstance
of several names not appeuring in the hand-writin;
of die parties. He begged the House to con-id, r
*bat would be the edict of this informality to the
millions interested in the Petition ? lie hoped,
both for the sake of the House and the public
tranquillity and harmony in Ireland, that the re-
sult of this discussion would he leave for the Peti-
tion to lie on the table. It might be easily con-
ceived that, the Petitioners being scattered over
every part of the country, it would be a matter of
difficulty and of time to procure the signature of
all convert:ed. There was another eircurcaau• e
*lnch might induce the House not to eiii.virce tile
general rule upon this occasion; there was 1111061. e
Petition, from auother quarter of Ireland, sigurd
by upwards of do,oou Roman Catholics. He holed
that the knowledge of this circumstance would i
awe) the necessity of transuet tine the present ..t
Sir Roaster Peas, opposed the reet6l
Petitio.l in its present state. Ile Bud,
tition at present ea the table respect
which puraorted to Ise sigiad by nine-aria v
persons, and a 'tees he was count...ea v- c 4 i:C.:I
by more than Loco. 1., site examinettca r t ft
names it ,could b. leuncii that many of the pc
whose battles appeared to he sulsseti!,ed t
were deed severa. yea's: aril tic- coiielut'a •
fore was, that tie promoters at 6,

MOUSE OF COMMONS.

ClllOOl4 ST/OIL/1r KIM notice, that be should move fur
leave to brim( M a Bill to alter the law as to the °biennia(
of Settlement* by the Poor.
Mr. V•leITT•IlT NIAW43I tot " As ammetut of the several
articles allowed to be warehoused slider the warehousing acts,
few Ow year., up to the sth of Jan. teas, the several
licenses gracted ander the authority of,these arts ; and also
that the accounts of articles imported into England and
Scotland, whirl, bad been ordered to be printed is May,
trot, be reprinted."—ordered.
Mr. BIDUCI.PII said it was his intention, to-morrow, to
wham to the ilnuee certain Propositions as to Finance,
which, with the permission of the House. he should mow
to be laid upon tie table, there to remain tdl after the Holi-
days, sad afterwards be dist-owed
A Message from the Lord, tolerated the !louse that their
Lordships bad agreed to the innkeepers' anemone, Bill and
several private
Mr. DOWARTN gave outlet of a motion, on thie day
fortnight, respecting the Committee wow a.ttiug oa the
affairs of the East lochs Company.
Mr. ROIIIIIT Dt'N DA/ Wilber.' [4/know the nature of the
motion.

Mr. MOWAIIII was proceeding to state that the duties
jutpated oo that Commdtee were exceedingly arduous, +hen
be was stopped by the S • , who stated that there
being se m.ituse before the Heuer, he mast revalue bus.
self to implaciatione immediately applicable to the view
tons ►ut . . .

Mr. How AIRTiI laid* few words, but in to* low a tone to
be overheard in the gallery.
Oa a ?notion of Mr. D. limn, the ord-e for the considers
atioa of the Granspound Petition was postponed front the
gad April to Ruth of May.
The CNA "MELLO* of the Lit cnr.4o; ER gave votive et
'motion, ou tsvatoeraer, or Thursday, that the Rowse should
s#ijusru to Thursday seunight.

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were anxious :hut it shuu;cl appear t,
Pgreat number. He tho4it that t!•e
titiou %If one of the tir.4 •
ject, it would be atteirled st'otu
consequeacts to admit any Pv•.ir:oti
bigued by the parties v. hose tiatLei:
subscribed.

rdreti

Sir Jou!: NEWPORT observed, that
to the :klanchester k'etition tt.itidtd to, i,e
not deride ; but as to the pre•,..nt
sands lia%ing actually signed it Wa".
prove the genentl sense of the Cathohts of st-',;
There was a ,nanite-t diFf:yrence hetoern the-e
sorts of Pctitioas. Many t,ersc,:s e•••
doubts upon the sabjeet of p-acr
any tn.in say whether the ..:e !.•
admitted to the pr...-iiettre of the stlto-..••

As in Isis or

inn r• %T. i: do'

eutertaiaed, there we,i a great .•1,:••ovottv
pAriug tiie,e two re:l:ions Witt, r:•ch ctl
perfeetly proper to apui). tie urrr!
ch:eo ; uu• if e•I er there %.,:r• ,
atat:ce* which would jurt.ltY 4 departure trylll

should arose that they existed upon the present
tie entre...ted the House to reflect upon the
co ,sequences that would ensue front returning the
si,,ktuatures. It would give rise to twiny
itt....tio4s, and excite agitttiou in the public mind.
ts :4._.:iust these consequences he should wurn
. It 141', being anxious that the great hotly of
t i.eoeld of Irelaod should not be imprope:ly
Besides this, he should press upo.i the
ni4.2, that one of the consequences of opposing
L:e l'.:ti! ion in this early sta;e, might be to provoke
di-satisfaction iu the great mass of the
peot.le, tOttch he concaved it was in the power of
itni.e to prevent.
_ _ . . .

Mr. GRATTAN concurred with the Right Hon.
13.1.1:01,1 who had last si..oken, that the rejection '
t.i the Petition would cause misconception and ex-
si:seontent among the Catholic Bode. It was
• itt-iy impossible, in the CAIN: of a Petition so
Ise ,er.,';y signed, that the object could be tuisin-
sery-eted. He denied the observation respecting
toe Ilaacileater Petition as applicable to toe pre-
• A. one, and aided, that the other House hariug
• - cl: receirol a similar Petition, the rejectiou of
• tais House would excite a prejudice; nougat
da: a iaiir ttheir representativesin the elotise
o C1..:.:10a4.-13 the Irish Parliament, he r:inetn-
herr.: to have presented a similar Petition from 60
(.1.70 Itotii.ui Catholics, of whom only a few
:non: awls were letnal signatures, yet no such 06-
leCt:o4l wes made to it. It must be a matter of
suai.2 moment to consider the dairy that must be
c.c.-r.loaed before it would be returned and pre-
i..ved t.ta.t unobjectionable manlier. If, however,
ti at mode should be iiisited upon, he thought it
was slot his fault in having stated the real circum-
stances of the ease, nor could any Llama attach to
bin in taking. upon himself the respoasibility of
traii.mAting. it, and falling the Catholics again
ir..7.thet:. He thought it, however, the wiser source
,
is e.itiou in i.O present state.

t*. 1.111:51.F 0 lICL ei,,,--essed his regret at being
nreier .th', necessity of alt sin the llouse to ett-
fc.ic- the cvneral rule strictl3.:, however anxious he
noithl hare been to hare received the petition in its
r:ate, to pretet.t any misconception that
Le entertained allsoad.

lr.'hiesxtT again insisted that it was most
yis to have the 'louse as open a. poswble to Peti-
tioners, and that tit: general rule should Ise waved
in. the- present important occasion.
The :•reaesta repeated the opinion which be
had already given, and added, that he did not con-
gado.- it a disrespect to hint se hear any gentleman
I;itler from his opinion, as it wet addingto the
etioeinei stock of that information which ought to
gitt,io tie House in its general conduct. The par-
boil w!as presented a pe-tition;vas mil!, answerable
to the best of his knowledge with respect to the
signatures being genuine, but in a case like the
present, when it was actually stated that many of
them were not so, Cie daily practice of the House
chewed that the Petition could not be saved w..tbout
stipulating the one from the other. It reillained,
L. wever, with the House, to say whether it would
etade l,y its general rules or not.
The ettiolcaLLos of the ExcasQoea entpressed
Lis hope, that the Right Hon. Gentleman would
withdraw the Petitien,and thereby save the House
from the paiuful necessity of voting for its rejec-
tion. lie confessed he could Dot otherwise than
opi..••se it in its present state. He did not see any
eircum,tances so singular in this case that would
not apply to any set of petitioners in any large dis-
trict of the kingdom, and it would be attended with
dalizenoits eposequencts to allow the rule to be thus
geoeislly iiiirmerd. If, however. the Right Hon.
Gentleman thought he advanced the case of the
Pefitseheis, by unfits:roaring to sepamte the tiro
description's of tinstuirs, he would think that
course the ui iirh.ante.;teou., even although they
should be reduced to a lien, 0: even ten real nate--.
NVe!e soca the ew.e, Lc Nhot.l3 not entertain the
le4st e..t it •a,.uld still contain the real
sense Of OW jof tile Irish Cat holies. It
was of Cie utsno,4 roriber!uetsce so adhere to the ge-
neral tole. and he Sines, with respect to the Man-
cliester Petition, that iiiany of the pervons purport-
iv • t) II:s1t signed, knew nothitig of the use made
nr :I.sir names fro the occasion. he could state,
L;e•ii the aiithority.of •omc Members who had re-
teived letters from their Conitituents,
• that ti/air names had been eshihited to the Pe-
without consulting them.
Sir JOtt,l Nen PORT averred: that, in the ease of
the Petitio,iers from Cork, they had actually signs I
their Petition, and were as respectable a set of
nit:-chsats as an, in tile kingdom.
Mr. %VI s Dil t M was of tyiniou that the Petitio.•
Wit.; ;.^rf •it's s :1116%1!)1 • ad
the actual
Lieu es Ibe reduced to sou or • yen 30 no ne
a, the efiart of an adherence to the general role
woold he atteirled with ;fruit int oliveastruce.
exclusion of tile irregular statues null sufficiently
mark that a Petition could only be received as the
act of tleee nail realty Nigned it.
:tn.. )(nitric felt irissioas that the Petition should
Le re cal vet!, if the exeeptioashle names could lie
e,cltoted. 17,000 MI/IbirS tware no propor-
tion to the actual number of Catholics in Ireland,
mild coati-Nue:idly it could be of no importatice
teethe: the inCiiiber was much greater or lest
thin t!:.••• ...hid] appeared to the Petition. Fe: re-
esin alit :vied tilt a special entry should be made of

thr rval quourt v.

St".!..eta-y CAN/41, a agreed entirely with
riik• but `lpt!'ikt-r, as he was air.ious that some mode
r!cbit.cd to sate the House the painful
..e, tf 'ejecting the Petition. The main
:11. w tr, that ate inwlulti..:lce afforded in the
p7i case, you'd is all future one=,
-..‘!tether em.iracing oiipcts of it geNtance or not.
Ile was of th.st neither the number, po'w'er,
ucr restioetabiiity of the l'ezi;:on rs, nue,tht to
induce thr Hon.!: to 1-4ry it'. settled rule.
114.: fiAt the of .a Beet as 'Mach
as i,r titan, zi he iloi a i. ttuit when it came
he disr:lo4cd the flow« would enter upon it
N .0, the rocs:. rtioolls and attention, without
•hJi•et4 prejudice or p r n•i_nt•r,t. lie wit;
ether it wcAiltl nor he Irv, tionnceecy.s
t. rtlatt the rule in the ca,:c Petition from a
5•.1.41 tkia in the eitse of a lart:e
ptuple, aitme to,.rht mid number
trilzic, 6e urief is thee,. the s•mail imdy
more it.•;:ilraa, and lef,i to support their
11•• f,iought the 1;i: ht Ceittl• trida
w:to precuitcil entitled to thanks

for his candour is netts. the &amities which
were likely to stand in the way of its being received.
lie might, however, relieve himself from them, if he
could separate the real from the irregular signa-
tures. If he thought he could do this, he had
only to withdraw it for 94 hours, in order to con-
sult those who had put it into his hands. He was
sorry it had been presented in its present imperfect
state, when a few hours reflection might have pre-
vented the risque which the house run of
incurring displeasure, and save the Right Hon.
(ientlerniu, from the responsibility that at-
tach to him.

Mr. t DRAM observed, that the number of the
Petitioners made complete cOrrectuess more diffi-
cult, and mistake* more excusabli..
The conversation email:tied for some time in the

same line of argument, between Mr. GRATTAN,
Mr. WHITBREAD, ;11r. Wm. SMITH, MT. M. FITZ-
GERALD, for the Petition, and the CAANCLELOG
Of the EXCHEQUER, ME. CANNING, and Lord
CAsTLEREAGH, on the other side. The result was,
that it was agreed, that the Petition should be
withdrawn, for the purpose of being transmitted to
Ireland to be rectified. •
DEFENCE OF THE COUNTRY.
_

Lord CisYl.lsii;o-u, pursuant tc notice, rose to
explain the reasons for proposing certain altera-
tions in the Military Establishment adopted by the
last session. It occurred to him tut he should
first take up that branch of the military system that
was of the most importance; namely. the Regular
Army, and the Militia. He was happy in stating,
that, in regard to these, the measures latek adopt-
ed rendered it unnecessary for him at present to
propose any further regulations. The ordinary
system of rerruitiug had added no less than 40,000
rank and file to the then establishment of the re-
gular army. This being the case, he ghoul I, with.
out further observations on these branche., come
to that which was of most importance i t itself.
‘• There was then, I contend, no possible mean* of
ascertaining the extent of the volunteer force.—
This evil has always beea felt, and, from viewing
the circumstances of the established force of the
country in this litht, I heve, since ever I have
suceetalatal to the bituition I now hold in • His Ma-
jesty's Government, considered it my duty to pro-
pose to Parliament some measure of reform respect-
ing the established aulitary force, whatever iniAlit
be the difficulty or labour attending a task, which
it was too probable might prove invidious and
thankless. The most effectual means of render-

lug the military system more couipetrut to the de-
fence of the country, he w procure an as-ist-
ance to the regular force, whether orthe line or the
militia, of an auxiliary nature. This embraces
the whole scope and design of those altersti IDS I
shall have the hn.tour to suggest to the Hoe .e.—
Looking upon the army of Great Britain as a de-
fensive army, I acknowledge nothing can wore
cootnbute to its support than the ei,tablish I.cit of
the volunteer body, which, acting es a sub.i•liary
defence to the nacre regular treotis, mi/ht prove of
the utmost value and advantage to the safy of
the Cpwatry, should it be compelled to task • head
aapsinst the enemy on its own sbuiva. And ei,old
that hour arrive whet the fete of the country is to
be-decided by the internal strength of the country,
there is as portioa of We Majesty's subjects in
whom I neadd ISOM ceefide, than the graben eer
army of the countq, for whom, although I may darer
from the Right list Gent. opposite me, -I have
ever eatertatued the atanotst possible respect and
attachment. Though I ass - ready to acknowled
that never has the &laws of the country 3-e
ware aim end alicient thereat the ureseat '-
Lucas yet as the voloateer Oral:Ell is
founded en the spirit and voluntary contrio •ttott
of the publics which, whether in peace or wsr,
equally valuable (for in the present state of politic
m Europe,• state of peace may require ne t

. -
protection of a weli-aminged
army than a state of a war,) it would hence ..e
extremely unwiae and imprudent to teat on t •s
voluntary zeal and activity, since it might be alt
drawn, or might diminish at any moment in so
great a degree as to leave the country on a and len
destitute of it 3 chief support and defence. Such
a line of coutiuct would only tend to betray a nar-
row ues, of policy whi,l was content with 'lowans
towards the present moment, totally regardless of
futurity ; and it would place the Ministry of this
countav in this awkward situation, that should
herralter a peace honourabletti both c•untries he
conclud,d, the very arrangements the Ministry,
if they were not totally blind to the interest of the

country, would have to snake, in order to place the
army ens better and more effective footing in these
kmgdom3 during the interval of peace, would of
themselves be rafficient to awaken the suspicion of

those countries with whom we were then on terms

of peace. A cit.( utastance which must be alto-
gether hostile to the continuance of an a nimble
tinderstansling between this nation and the Conti-
nental powers. The pertnaiiincy and diiicipline
of the array must ii!so ue t o nside ed of the utmost
importance in a further point of view than a= it im-
mediately relates to the defeat* of the country ;
for if there be any chance • of meeting the elis-
cutosion of a peace an fair, honourable, and just
ground-, it certainly will be in convinc. c• the
enemy that the pnriciole ou which the military sr--
tem is constituted, and the spirit of the taeople,
are such, as that there exists no possibility he
should eve: succeed in bringing this country
into subjection to sus power. From all these
conirdemtions, it becomes absolutely necessary to
lay the foJndatio.-. of our military defe.we, not
dependent on the iolutitary seal of the country.
It is necessary this should be permanent, and
never on any ace/soot should it be subject to be
suddenly reduced beneath the force voted by
Parliament, on a former occasion, necessary for the
nuhlic safety. Hering said so much on the ge-
neral outline of the plan I shall shortly submit
to the Howie, I have but a very few observations
to make In the military system as it exists at pre-
sprit, and shall then proceed to Aide to the HO ire
the amendments and alterations I have, ill Lon-
juietann with other', of whose counsel I shall al-
ws-.-e he happy to avail myself, considered rieces-
Fury for peril' ;Mg, as ::sr as possible, the mittary
establishments throoghont.the kingdom. nailer a
farmer Administration, the same ends which the
present amendments are expected to accomplish,
were proposed to be effected by the Traininz Act.
How fur %hie mods has been successital I will not

haw Liebe apes me to &Aide; lint viewing it et 11
did, it appeared to me neceentry, to propose to
add.to that Bill, last Session, COI Olus amendments
for more effettually enforcing the ballots through-
out the different counties by which the protested
force was to. be raised. The measure appeared
to me to be not a compulsory, but an.enabliag
Bill, subject to the future regulation of the House.
The force to be raised by this Bill, which was then
expected to amount to 300,000 men, was to Le
raised by ballot, and subjected to the management
of perish officers, who were to officiate in the
double duty of officers of the peace, acid drill
serjeauts to the different corps. -My view of this
measure is, that taking into considerution the ne-
(smeary enders foe puttuag the Bill into execution,
allowing time for ballutting anti collecting the
men thus raised, they would be• for • great part
of the year altogether wit of your power, and
hence they would be so long without making any
progress en the use of antis. But the greatest pom
Bible objection to the measure is, that ants all these
abstractions, there is no provision for regimenting
the persons so prepared by the Training Act.—
On this subject I have always had but one opinion,
and that is, that there are no means so fair or so
efficacious for procuring and disciplining effective
forces in the country, as regimenting "them similar-
ly to the forces of the bile. If the whole system
alluded to could have been effected without affect-
ing the dispositioa or wearying the patience of the
coaster, which might be ultimately disinclined to
support such extraordinary levies; yet it would
still, from this one radical defect, produce no con-
siderable advantage to the public service. Though
I run inclined to doubt, that the mere working et
our military system would provide us, notwithstand-
ing the dismission of the aged and infirm veterans,.
with an abundant supply of soldiers from these
trained bauds, as has been maintained, yet 1 am
willing to admit, that under certain regulations
that measure would be productive of the utmost
benefit. Acting, then, on this principle, the pro-
positions I have to suggest will be found, I trust,
capable of providing to the country as excellent
permanent supply. I am happy to say such is
the present state of-the national force, and such
our internal strength, that it may he openly can-
vassed and investigated, without apprehending the
enemy can thence derive any advantage over us.
This ausouilted in the total to 200,000 rank and file
is regulars and militia. It is intended, by augment-
ing each company to 100 rank and lilt, to rare this
force to 150,000 rank and file. These additional
troops it is not my intention to raise by applying to
the ballot by the Training Bill. The Right Hon.
Member's bill might be of much service in leading
out these men to be exercised at certain stated in-
tervals, fur four and twenty times at one poSied of
the year, and four and twenty times wheat ano-
ther period of the year; and finally embodying
them for the space of twenty-one days, iu eases of
extreme danger or under apprebensious of iava hist.
Bat it still might, I fear, he productive of consider-
able disadninleges, by compelling the country in ge-
to take up arms. So long as she voluuteer wilt
assist, with all his might, the Government, the
volunteer system is by far the best of all.—
But as necessary swasshaeld-drecide be *tiptoe-
taiiier force to be raised, so it Mao becomes our
duty to see that as nextly as possible that supply
maw be readered permanent and uniform. It is
necessary the regular army shell be placed on so
sure a foundation, that it shall on no occasion feel
the decrease of the volunteer force. Some, I have
heard, insist loudly on the necessity there existed
ter an enlarged force,aod considered the-present as
by no rums proportioned to the emergencies of
the country; in part, 1 agree witb.theu.,anti it will
be (quo& tu reviewing-the statements I shall make
to the Howie hereafter, that, it is my intentios,
acting on the principles of my Right Honourable
Frieutf, (Mr. 'l'orke, we pmume) viz that the
training Come should supply six times the number
of men ccianprised in the militia, to raise in this
country a body of troops 330,000 strong; to phich,
if the effective, in Ireland, amounting to 70"100
rank and• file, be added, it will give a product not
only ep paper bat in fact, of 400,000, independent
of the 60,000 proposed to be added to the militia
and regulars by an augmentation of each company.
Tbis will he fouud to supply a force which, whatever
may be the exertions of the enemy, will place tie
completely-I)es. os d the reach of his malice. The ef-
fective force of the volunteers has been calculated a;
390,000 rank and tile. of which 440,000 have beer*
seen under inspection ; the reports of their strength
and discipline Lave been extremely favourable to
the country and flattering to themselves ; and
have exec presumed to state their capacity to act
in concert with the regular army, however unfit
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite may think
them to 1:4 seen in such company. The gross
amount of the volunteer establishment is at the
rate of six times the number of the Militia, defi-
cient by 30,000. The effect of the plan I
Ipropose will be to increase this supply by a
ocal militia, amounting to 60,000 rank aid tile,
Though there be at the present no immediate ne-
cessity for any additional demand, yet, as we
cannot tell the moment in which it may be notes-
wry, it is of the utmost importance this country
should be in a complete state of defence. The pre-
sent increase of • local militia will be one of
the usual kind, 'either repugnant to the feel-
ings or prejudices of the semidry ; and it is
to he hoped it will be the meet easy means
whereby we may effect our purpose. the pre-
sent militia is formed on the principle of the
standing army of regulars, and appointed for main-
taining the out-post* throughout the country. The
local militia, for the same reason., shall not, but io
cases of particular emergence or danger, be com-
pelled to remove out of its own county. In the
service of the Trainiag Act, the peewee enrolled
are required only to serve le months. This previ-
sion I think totally inadequate. No military
knowledge whatever can be acquired in that short
space of time ; no degree of discipline can be in-
fused throughout these green 'applies, notwith-
standing ail the trouble of balloting and collecting
them. I have therefore to propose, that the term
of service be increest.d, although the term of ac-
tual mein shall not he equally extended. Those
drawn in the local manta cell be sent out to prac-
tise the use of arms only for a very short period,
and bcing before apprised of this period, they wilt
ham &moppet:init.( of prepinn‘ and improving

Cheat thus prier•ta thtir,appeatsoee an*
first, regulation I shall propose will, be that relatikg
to lot i.titutioa. This principle has been admitted
iu llicregulu, ; but as l conceive there will

not exist die sante objection to serving in the local
utittis, winch it is not my Lite-shwa rhosild bt ems
pioyel lOr more th..ii three weeks in learning the
martial exercise and regular discipline, there
will be this inducement, at least, to engage than
drawn in this local militia to serve personaily. But
the system of iUbSlitUtiell is also liable to this ob.
. .

jectiu-n, tlist f it were permitted in the locel mili.

.tia, its influence weukl bt so great, that in ettect it
would prove a tax Oil diepublic. Subathtstism
necessurily would he connected with a bounty
to the substitute. This, if provided by individual..
would be a very great private burden, at.d the
exemption ',you'd be of pernicious ensequences to
the general spirit requisite to carry the useasmire
into effect ; and if the bounty were provideid-ty
the parivh or distract, it would become an iosups.
portable public burden. Heuce 'tis intruded to
prevent all substitution of service, except to
nick
pertains as ere willing, on the plan of the Ttintring
Act, to purchase their exemption. by eu►asitciet
to a tine to be imposed by a pro►iwaa or the Act

I hail to-morrow submit to the House. Another
pruvinioa of this Bill wilt be formed so as to presses*
the subiltituts of the parish from became%
the substitute also of the ; to effect di*
it shall be coutiderciLlualjn the selanker-ftester

for the parish, and penal in the parish for bribint -
him to becunie a substnete. The next considento
ten is the class of persons on whom the service
to he thrown. There are in this respect two council
that may be pursued, one relative te the limitation
of yearseertiother of a more general nature. The
principle of this biU is not de novo to create this
force. It proceeds on the old established principio
which iius beet, so often acted upon, though perhaps
never before so far advanced. Tile years of service
are to be confined from the age of le to that
of 55 ; since it has been generally fount, t
that after that age there is rather too great ..is
a difficulty, if not an iinpossibility, in teanisfot
melt the 'tee of army. It is of the utmost kat
purt.nce that the officering of these regiments(
levies should fall into the heeds of nen of wooed
confidence, iutegrity, and property. Heacesi
shall not propos* to swerve from the qualifier.
tions required in the regular militia, urea in the
local militia. As faros the rank of captain, them
iv-scarcely ally qualidiation in either neeesearveia
With respect to field4Acers, it is rev, dilteraulls
and justly so. There is no dealt hitt tßerewlllent
foetid meey indneements to mea of •• property mid
bi..th character accepting held ollteere *unitises,
who would not accept oftbem in thin reeler luilitias
One retaliation, however, there is, with
_respect to
thequalineatieneffield-edicere,nainely,mie in fare&
of those a ho • hail retired from the service in the
hue of rnilitia. The neat point Worthy of attentiett
is,lhe propriety of permitting the new rteas not
in the bast to interfere with the regular ?reveal,*
service. • Hence no matt is to be pretreated from ca-
tering the:kilo- or militia who happens to have en.
tiered originally for limited meek"; et theseme thin
that no *von idthrleeetusilltio ledl be perm'
to *het from it" info other reginsents der ng tie
ierru appropriated for obtainitig a knowledge of
discipline and arms. Another nereeeiiry provisidis
is, our for permiting %Amite& corps to -become
corps of local militia. Matiy corps of volunteers
may find their advantage in it : several of them
are very expensively dressed, largely fined, and
founded on too expensive a scale. Hence it Would
• only be judicious to meet this disposition to chant*
their foundation, and hence they would become
part of the effective forte of the country. To pros
vent any thing like insurance, I Shall repose a
double fine on all" species of insurauee
.agoiset
these levies, on the party insuring and the tastily..
The great adiantage of this plan of raising a hip
ply of force over others- is, that first it tends to
render them speedily much better soldiers, as
also effscts it at indri. less expense ; whets it it
col:sit-lewd' that by* the late act there were coil.
siderable expenses interred by going out twice ht
the year for 24 darn, and Co: coati agent expense that
tr4it be incurred by beim; called out for tl any,
additionally. The total expense of each soldier to
Governmein is the laical militia would not amount
to more than tl.. per annum. The time for which
this militia shall he enebudied will not be mord
than 28 days at the utoost, independent of the
time spent in *trivia* at the place of rendeevons.
It has Len supposed that a much larger body of
men are requital', And that the country is able to
hear it ; tine, "tanst admit, should not be treated
with indifference. A Right Hdnourable Friend of
mine has calculated an addition might he made to
the pre,ent estimate, of 250,000 rank and file,
maktng an xgftregate of 650,000 men, which
would always giveilisher in war or peace, a force
on whicb the enuntry could rely with security,
since the only difference hetweeri the war and pea.
establishment would consist in the reduction of t 1 e
regiments of the line, and the disbanding the re.
zeiar militia. Oa this bead I have only to say,
there seems no neces,ity to bring. more men into
the field than this sill will provide. An armed
peasantry is • chimera by which nothing can ever
he effected, pa...titularly Considering the nature of
this country, and the dispositions and habits of
its inhabitants. It would be breaking the back
of the country to expect more from her then is
reasonably necessary. The present plan will, I
am happy to say, secure to it a regimented force
of 490,000 men, to be disposed of, in cam of
nay trrinz emergence, for the security and ef-
fecttai defence of t 6 country. I am happy the
recess will intervene between the discussion el
the ineasuie and the presenting the Bill to the
liaise. which, if the House will give me leave, I
shail take the liberty of doing to-morrow, the Bill
shall then he printed, sod I shall be extremely
happy to have, in the interval, the private, comma.
ticatione of any of my friends on the subject, and
the counsel of the members in general, when it
shall come to he considered after the holidays, and
when I shell, I trust, be willing to accede to any
real protect of amendment, or public convenience
and advantage?'
Mr. YORKE approved of the plan of the Right
Han. the Secretary at Ai'ar. thoo4lit ti at
we ought to !.v.- a vie menent kcal mi:isia. end
that this was the tune to establish that
He e ould have this local militia drilled wit the

*feeding army that happeeed to be stationed within
its artery. lie would give it ell the advantage of
discipline, and accustom it to the manner in which
soldiers lived. He would place it under the same
tinders us toe staudiag militia, but not to be called
out except in case of invasion, ou which occasion
it ought to serve in Great Britain and Ireland as
the standing army. lie would wish that in addi-
tion to the force proposed to be raised by the Se-
cretary at War, there should be a farther force of
35,000, to be ready at ad times to defend our
coasts. By placing them on a permanent esta-
blishment, they would feel pride and confidence in
• their situation, and become the active defence of
the country.
Mr. WI.HDRAX disapproved of the plan pro-
posed by the Secretary at war. It was stated to be
in the spirit of the system proposed by himself
when in office, but it differed materially from it.
No person had ever heard him advocate, that the
volunteer corps should be shackled; that they
should be obliged to leave their domestic business
to join a camp. Who form the volunteers ? the
merchant and every class of master tradesmen
in your cities, in the country our fanners,
and the people possessing a small independence.
joining your •camps they must lose their buri-
urea, their employment; the merchant's business
will go neglected. and he wilt become a bankrupt ;
the tarmer's land will go without tillage, and the
landlord will wrest the farm out of his hands. Was
it to be supposed, that volunteers, entering freely
iute the service of their country, choosing their own
officers, and actuated by the principle that they
come voluntarily into the geld, would feel the
same energy as if they were under the controul of
Officers of the line or standing militia ? He
thought, from the preamble of the Noble Lord.
stating that this was the last time the subject was
ever to he agitated, that he should have heard
some great, new. and superior plan ; but lie ap-
pealed to the House, whether it was net in sub-
, stance the same proposed by himself and his col-
leagues when ill office, with this exception. that
the local or volunteer militia, when called out, in-
stead of beiur under their own officers, ore to be
corn quailed by officers of the standing army. He
woald ask the Noble Lord it' lie-wished to suppress
the ardour of the people in eJiniug forward to de-
-fend the rights of the King. the Constitution, and
the country, by proposing to shackle and place
them as a level with a common hireling? They
would at all times be ready to desert-ice to the
country, without putting the country to expenee.
Re recollected when the Training Act was lint
brought forward. it was called the Raw-bead and
Bloody-Bone Act ; but that immure, instead of
, *beg the inhabitants from home. only directed
that they ghould be drilled by officers of the line,
who were 00 half pay. how have the present Minis-
ters acted ea that system ? Instead of employing
000 disabled officers. or officers on half-pay, they
hove employed teem serjeanta ; and new, to make
the eolanteer system more irksome. it is proposed
that they all Be liable to be called to the f.arthest
pert of the country: This could not be done with-
out the greatest iujury to their concerns in life and
to their families. The very Magistrates of the
Country,. if they were called en, would tell you the
impseposty of the plan and how difierant it is
from that of which the Noble Secretary wishes it
should be thought a copy. The Noble Lord has
. said. that during the last Administration there
, were only eleven thousand men raised for the army,
and by the returns before the House, them were
11,000 fiesta in the last six mouths. Ile allowed
this to be $ just statement; but did his Vole
. leagues or himself enlist from the militia, hold
. oat bounties to them. and then call a new draft of
, the petit for the militia. which, in proper terms,
milt:called a le•y-en-ussue
I Teaerrow considered the militia of
Qemt Britain and Ireland as perfectly competent
to their defence.; and as to the vices of the army,
she period of peace, avid not the period of war, was
, the time to do them away. The ingenuity of the
speech of the Right lion. Member who spoke last
was its only recommendation. Without that gnu-
. lity it wonki not have been listened to, and
. was like Rachael weeping over her children. By
the formation of camps, and the concentration of
mar forces, they would be prepared for the field of
Node. Ile hud known volunteers of this country
and Irelimil march to or 30 miles a day. to be
drilled with the regular troops. fueling a pleasure
in it, and knowing that they could not derive the
same advantage from any other source.
The question was then puts and leave even to
tiring iu a Bill.
CURATE!' DILI.
The CIIANCBLLOR of the EICUEQUIII moved
for leave to' bring in a Bill for die amelioration of
the condition of Curates, by sik increase of their
etipsodix The Right Honourable Gentleman took
a review of the rations UM witilk, from time to
time, the Legislature had adopted for this saki-
• tory pupate, and alluded to the fate of the fanner
Bills, which he hail felt it hie duty to submit, hav-
ing the same laudable object as the one which,
with the permission of the House, it was his inten-
. tiers to submit. lie was couvinced that there was
an interest to the public, as well as to the
dual whose situation was ameliorated, in having the
resident Alinister °fa parish supported in a state of
ease and comfort, suited to the sacred charaster of
his prefesaion, amid called for by the multiplicity
iluties which he bad to perform. The Legit.-
lature ought to prevent those rigorous bargains
which the Rectors were stabled to squeeze out
of the indigence and distress of the subordinate
Clergyman, who pawl in many cases the whole du-
tad of extensive parislits to perform. Taking the
depreciation of money, and the actual increase in
ell the articles of life, it was his intention to pro-
pose that the Resident Curate should receive one-
fifth out of the net proceeds of the living, until it
amounted to 2501. per annum, when the advance
ceased. If leave should be grtintud, lie should
then propose to read the Bill a second time ter
morrow, to have it committed. and the blanks tit-
led up before the recess, iu order to give the coun-
try an opportunity of seeing the mature of the
measure, which would be subsequently recom-
mitted and discussed upon its principle. He was
anxious to extend its provision. to Ireland, where he
fancied it was much wanting; but he nnderstuod
.that it was the intention of an Honourable Friend
,of his to b:log in a separate Bill fur that purpose,

LONDON,
WEDNESDAY. Aram 13.

Lord C A sTi.i.nEntat last night submitted his plan
for the internal defence of the country•. He pro-
vost* a lucid militia. u tt substitute for the present
system by the training act, to be raised by means
of a ballot, iu the same way as the regular militia.
This new force is to consist of 60,000 rank and
file. to Le chalet' by gentlemen of property

throughout the cotudiy. No substitution of ser-
vice is to be permitted. except on payment of a
very large fine ; and the troops thus raised are to
be collected in the principal town in the county,
there to be trained to the use of arms fur thc smote
of twenty-eight days each year. Ile also proposes
to add to the regular and militia force an addition
01'50,000 men, by filling up the companies in each
regiment to 100 rank and file. Those only are
liable to he balloted into the local militia who are
above the age of 18 and under 33.

The Catholic Petition was presented, lust night,
in the House of Commons, by Mr. Ga►rrsw, but
rejected on account of an irregularity in the signa-
tures. A similar Petition, though liable to the
sante objection, has bees► received by the House of
Lords.

The Gazette of last night contains an account of
lie evacuation of Vc}•lla by the British garrison.

OnMonday, His ALkiesrtr, Princesses AUGUSTA
and SOPHI A, took an airing on horseback, iu\l'uid-
w►r Park, soon after ten o'clock, attended by Lady
ALRIKIA Cu SISCILLAII D, Count MUNSTER, Gene-
rale Gwyeaa and FITZROY, Colonel TAYLOR,'
Mild Mr. V 111.1.1101.11; they returned to the Palace
about twelve.

Her MAJESTY and Princess ELIZABETH took an
airing to Fro more, and walked in the gardens.
His MAJESTY colors to toffs this day.
Yesterday the Duke of Yuan held a public day
at his Office, in the Horse Guards, and gave au-
•ienses to aWilber of Military Officers.
Accenting to the statement of the CHANCELLOR
of the Ext.:scut:Ea, in the Committee of Ways
and M tuns, on Monday night, the annual sum
which is to be provided is about 750,0001. mut lie
proposes to raise this sum in various ways :
By the felling ill of the Short Attouities,tbere

'is a Snmwof the existing Taxes relisted,
amounting to per 11111111111 1..390,0•0
. .
A sa%ing is the Charges fur Management of
.. .. ... .. . ..

the Valle F 141114
By the new mode of collecting the Assessed
Tears, and Additions thereto 345,400
•
And by a Modiflcatiou of the Stamp Mile!,
- . ...

65.0041

togAlerr with s variety of Additio;s, wbicli
our readers will find eiunurrOted in Mr. Per-

aware speech (biter i• tW Papa, yesterday) 1100,000

Total . . 1.770,000
We have received Spanish and Dutch Papers,
the latter to the Irl instant, cootai g the Paris
news to the 27th ult. Their contents are very im-
portant. It appears from theta, that the work of
revolution proceeds rapidly iu the South of Europe.
An insurrection has taken place at Madrid, and
nothing is wanted but the presence of Bon APART%
to complete the overthrew of that kingdom. The
Papal is incorporated 'with the French army, mid
Cie annexation of the Papal dominions to the king-
dom of Italy will follow of course. The ancient
and long tutterihg empire of Turkey will next tum-
ble to the ground. The. rm't that the Porte is
disposed to negotiate with England is repeated in
the Dutch Jeerers, and can be considtl only as
the signet for its destruction. The inserrection at
Madrid was produced by an attempt of the PRINCE
of Pasta to curry off the Royal Family to Mexico.
We have not means to estimate the purity of tlae in-
tention ; but the measure is apparentiras wise
as the emigration of the Court of Lisbon.—
The French army is advancing rapidly to Madrid,
and surely a But/aeon haw as much td fear from
BONAPARTE. as a lIRAOANZA. We have Oen the ,
substance of the present state of the Dutch Fi-
nances, from the Dutch paper. They are ad-
mitted to lie deplorably defective, but to console
the people, King Louts informs theirs that the
French J.:mimeo& has given them assurances that,
iu the Peace to be tieguciated with England, he is
to stipulate for the restoration of the Dutch Cohi-
tries, particularly of <;uiana.
The Spanish brig A. S. del Rosario, from Vera
Criss for Cadiz, is catured by the Lion.
We are happy to @tete, that intelligence hasbesin
received from Heligoland, that the Danish hue-of-
battle ship, which, according to the late accounts,
had ventured out to 'cruise, under the supposition
that our vessels were blocked up by the ire, was
taken off the Island of Seyero, on the 23d. of
last month, by some of our ships of war. The par-
ticulars have not yet reached us.
. .

A Letter frisia.'Gibrailtar, dated March 13, says,
—" The provinces of Catalonia, Navarre, and
Biscay, no -longer belong to the Spanish Monarchy.
They are taken possession of by the French troops
sad the Grand Duke of BEAN has published a
prechimation, stating that this measure is taken for
psi* prepares. This proclamation has occa-
sioned a fall in the vales from lift to tins. The num-
ber of French troops which have entered Spain ex-
seeds 180,000 men. A French force is daily ex-
pected at filming*. Considerable gluons prevails
througliont Spain."
A Proclamation by Ilia Ms.learew was issued on
Monday, directing our privateers not to interrupt
any neutral vessel laden with lumber and pro-
visions, and going to ally of our colonies, islauds, or
settlements, in the West Indies, or South America,
to whomsoever the property may appear to belong,
and notwithstanding such vessel may not have re-
gular clearances and documents on hoard.
. On Monday morniug last, died, at his mansion
at Resellampton, BENJAMIN GOLDSXID, Esq. who
for many veers past has laboured under a compli-
cation of aisorders, of which the principal was the
gout. On the morning aboveinentioned, the ma-
lady suddenly seized his head and stomach at the
same moment, which brought on a fit, that in a
short tune effected his dissolution.

Yesterday the LORD MAYOR, on examining the
Reims of the meal-weighers, ordered the price
of bread to be continued at lid. the quartern leaf
wheaten. and Wad. household.
A "house-warming" is generally given to his
friends by the builder of a new habitation. But
what a house-warming will be given by those who.
without any expense of building. shall gain the
noble [louses on the 2htli instant. which constitute
the Prises, all Capitals in fact. in the Scheme of
the City Lottery ! The possessor of either of them,
from the little sum adventured. will be able to
treat hi friend* 'WI a hogshead of wine at least.