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London, England, 1809-04-28 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mi. BASTARD conspluineil, that although it was knows
at opposilwa, was 'mended to the Slaneheater Water-work
Bill, the Rep .rt had been brought up, and the Bill hurried
os,iiscosuitsseu:ly aids ►arliaesentary wage. He therefor*
gape Notice of halo intention to oppose the Bill, in Its future
elAgrs.

A ewer:Kr from the Houma Lurk, informed the House,
that these hail agreed several private bills.
The Loup ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND gave wistier, that
he weskit.. %)PITCI wove An leave to being is • Bill, Fele-
'arc to ter Loral Militia, in heollsrol
Ur. Owes, from the Fast holm House, ',resealed the
anon& Aronson; of Met-employ.
The Fourililteport or the Nerveyer.Geweral of the laud
fiv,riiiir of the Crowa, was presented, and wrkad to lie on
table.

• MC. Johowl!, from the CLief flecretreve Office ifir
itereentc4 m, aceettnt of the locideatal Expeusts of the Iciela
Post-(llscc.

Mr. Rosa brewed is a Dill, fw reenisting the Della, se
Sew sod Ceder, imported from Martinique.
. Mr. * obtained him to 'bring im • Rid to pre-
wrat Frew& spa MiipAsiniers, and ethers.—
Ile Mel, the metveve fa emersiplatios, was sat au on
rie; bet it eoetsieed several sew regulations relative to
pssperty lust ht 1/141VWVigrk, Or other accident, or our
cassia, sad made perms redly of frauds at ma inilictaide
en slims. The Hen. (:endemism 'deriver& lirmieht in the
dill, aWeb ma read s end time and ordered to be road a
mead doses dos 4sy unineight, sad to be priatcd
Mr. r brought is • Bill foe improving Malt Liquor
fa Nedsa which was teed • dm time sad orfrred to hr
mod • ocamid time es Illeuday befit, sad to be printed.
Om diadietion of Mr. Hose, the Howie resolved itself in-
is a Cemmmittee spas the guest Scotia Trade Hill. in which
scrawl fllPOiliiiol4B were agreed to. The Wiese resumed,
and thillnegiort vas received ; is confinnilty to which, h UVIL
WWI 'files to beim iu • bill.
Ilidemas Cowes presorted a Petition from metre, Sta.
dopers sad howitsalkvs of Luedim, who had Nen amhjectt
Marvere peuslates, through the accidental onsia.nott of the
widower of the minter, in a work which th-y bad piloted,
prayed feat ether—The merits of the petition were refit rest
to a enniaiitter.

INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL.
Sr T. TURTuN gave coller that tie would, on
llloaday nrxt, noire for leave In brirg its a Bill for
the relief of liosolvent Debtors' in that part of the
. United Kingdom called Englund and 11 airs.
MILITARY L.QUIRY

Mr. ‘V.AIRDLS ti4re nott:e that he Antall
more to-mortow f..r rs connected with
the Accountant Department io the War Office,
which were lit.C..-&-ury to illustrate aO/11e pail Of the
Sixth Report of the Conamis,ioners of Military
Inquiry.
GENERAL ORDERS OF SIR )H? MOORE.

Mr. AIIIRCR01111116: tore far thi- pinytrie of 1110 V•
ins for severed Gene al (inlets named h) Sir Jci!in
Indere ; tbiv he did to pot the Character of that
lamented Criteria in its trot: ligct, and to feeslitete
the di.rtission that st • likely sOO2 to take •place•.
As 110 se order, had kiln-tidy been pabliehed to the
%fele! 10 one shape or other, and huring been read
■t the head of each regiment, mina he in their or-
dotty b •ok, lie co:.rrir•td Ito nitior:teon would ID,
made to their production. and then:4Kr moved dirt
the Cenerel (inlet% i•snenl by Sir 3 ' .Nitiort.. to
ti.e troops Kotler hif, ••oitititaad, on the 2501 i of 4)(--
thlpe,., the l lth of \oremb,•r, and suture 2.0,
sod 30th lieertuher, ihoh, should be kid before
the noose.

• Lend CAITILERgAGH that no one co-ilii he
?novo anxious than I !I. r. WI for every
tit .t could dace r the c tail proposrd. by the Hun.
Centleman ; hut if the fluil,c made the order,
would be irapriviitile for the Government to tom-
ph', they not h,iving the rloruiurtits iu their pos-
session ; hut if drat were not th • cum:, he should
feel it his duty to object to the Motion. us l;e gnu-
curved it R very SerjOilsi quest' for Purlia:tient
to call for orders issued by commanders to troops
under their eortuninul. The .11,1 y fact tl, it these
Orders would :to to ',Audio-% the relaxed s'ate
of discioline of the troops tunkr Sin. Joint Nlncrt's
command, for which there %%4. no tieee.s..ty, such
inforrinition bring already beiore ti,. those.
TARIATON sitA, thst if tSie Itozht Hon.
CPutleinun would refer to the ientrul's
. he would find the Orders Illiole4l for. Ali-
['tory Orders were alwriv-i given in the mc.st
and plainest shape; and when hr eons elerell what
Lad fallen Corn the speaker, he could not
thin'. hint juAtitied to refusirez these imperil, on the
grounds alle..red, but that his ohjectious must arise
from moat other mime.

Mr. Asvarbounte said. that had he apprehend-
ed nay objel: would have been mole to the pro-
iloctioo of the papers for which he hid moved, he
should hew enlarged more npon the subject.—
Nothing ss.eld be envier or plainer than the mode
by whirl, thsty might be obtained ; it was merely to
apply to the Atntant-Gearral's O rr, asitl if net

theft. toseud for thee to the rtipeetive tighoeste
-tb which they had been issued. The objectsios re-
lative to *Akers commanding were rather extreor-
Ailistry, Am he conceived nothing more desirable for
the House to know than the date of the army; and
he was lure, that were Sir John Moore living he
would not shrink from making public to the world
that which be had published to the troops tinder
his command. That General's retreat to Co-
runna, which was by many considered disgraceful,
had excited a considerable sensation ; and what de-
gree of stigma should be thrown upon him would
be best exemplified by the production of these
der* To hint that the disclosure would he un-
pleasant to the army was unjust ; for if any senti-
ment ahould issue from the army, it would he that
of regret that the me:nory of their fallen General
should he calumniated. Ministers had thrown the
responsibility of the failure iu Spain upon Sir John
Moore, which sad been distinctly stated to hare
originate:) in his marching by land instead of pro-
reeding by sea; but the production of these papers
would distinctly skew his reasons for so doing, and
fully demonstrate that the starch from Lisbon to
Salamanca war the best mode of dimiphuing hit
army
Mr. Homage supported the motion for producing
the papers, and after a few Words from Lord CAM!
TLERSAGII, the House divided, when there ale
peered—
Ayes 37
Noes

Majority against their production gt.
SIR JOHN MOORE AND 31h. FhERR.
On our reeultnissiou to the Gallery, we found'
Mr. EDEN coinmenting on the letters of Mr. Frere
to Sir John Moore. Ile said, that Mr. I had
written a letter to Sir John Moore, dated the 9d of
December, displaying the spirit of the people,
which was conveyed hy II French geotleinon to Sa-
lentence, who wi s referred to for further informa-
tion. Sir John Moore got it on the sth, and had,
on the day before, one written to him from the
Central Junta.. It was most important to have the
letter produced, which was to induce Sir John
Moore to clisuge his order of march. The Hon.
Gentleman lied in his hand what he believed to be
a correct copy of that letter, which, as it was very
short, he .vould take the liberty to reed. It stated
that the Central Junta, military and civil, had
.the
honour to lay before Sir John Moore a true and
just account of the situation of their armies; that
General Cuicamis was fulliug back upoi Mad id,
it it li an army of 13,000 men, and that another Ge-
neral was on the eve of Joining bins with 15.000 s
so that, with their united force, little doubt could
exist lint they world be able to repel the enemy,
and recommended Sir J. Moore so to direct his army
as to llama the Frruch in their adiance. The Hots.
Member contitsued, that if them • was not deep
treachery in this letter, -there wits at least Wong
reason to suspect it, particularly when they consi-
dered the subsequent conduct of General Marla;
for, upon the sth, the time when Sir John Moore
received this letter, the French were in quiet pos-
session of Malriil ; and supposing treachery did
exi,t, Ito plait could be devised better than sending
this man who arrived with Mr. Freres letter the
very day gm which that from General Moths was
received. While he (Mr. Eden) deplored the dis-
asters which hail befallen our army, thought it •
signal favour of Divine Providence. that Sir Julei
Moore did not give way to the advice he had re-
reived. this situation was then galling in the ex-
treme, through the fault of his employers ; lie knew
the extravagant opinions that were entertaimal, aid
he knew no one would he believed who doubted the
si.eceets of the patriots ; lint althriti;4ll Ise did not
full into the snare, lie afterwards committed an yr-
r;a-, for which lie was certainly reprehensible. The
Member expected \lnsisters wools! say they
had not the tech r of the Centrul Junta, yet he
would eul,,uit las torn to hear what tiler had to
offer upon the subject. The other part of his uto-
tins, would 1w for the Fenian oo i oo g papers in the pos.
bussing; of Nliiiisters relative to this correspouileuce,
which in jostler to Mr. Frere they could not refuse,
as his cotelstet would soon be helore the House,
and to itnugitte that he never wrote a wore. to the
Right I lon. Secretary on so iniportnut a matter,
wools, be to convey the level e.t sea sure upon him.
Ile c.isieltelesl with moving, ti net an humble ad-
dress he pre,ented to his Nlajesty, begging that he
would direct A Cope of the Letter of the Central
Junta to Sir John Moots., o r any otter paper they
had on that subject to Im IssA Wks e the House;
and also for any document relative to the two letters
or t 'lt: meseu6e sent by Ale. Frets. to
Sir John :Chime."
Mr. CANNING ,:aid, he had to thank the Hon.
\Treater. for the eery candid, freak, gentle. and
sawre ntmnser its which he had brought forward
ills motion, stud for Ili* insitimitions of the propriety
of 111%614 his questions incased ; but this was
Tait the tune in which lie tysitilsl enter into u Vlll4ll-
- of the conduct of Mr. Frere. Having said
thus match, lie should dismiss those feelings which
it would lint he proper to express. the
!Loa. sloe, r was speaking, he did nit think proper
to r ail him to order, in quoting u paper which be.
had its Ins poseassion, hut expected an Hon. Gen-
tlettem sepesite, would have taken the tusk upon
himself as he was tivieh its the lostsit of • g. up-
on other oceas;osts. Ile had net the letter alluded
to ID Ili% peamestil),l, and consequently could not
produce it.—Tate other piper's necessary for the
isupeacitsitent of Mr. Frere, were to their hearts
cimtcot already Lefore the House.
Mr. T.CRS EY wit. (piste surprieed at the agitation
of the Right Ilenetseilie Geutletosin--so out of
feta th—to discomposed /A fasigh.)—lie was at a
loss to in, • es. the cause; there could be nothing
30 iespardes.. • • ‘• :•: the bare mention of the sitime
of Mr. F..•re. i ; • , never snore a.totiisheil, than
when the Right he vould not
trust Intuss:lf to oltliwer s sentiments (Ilene I
Hear And lie, tie., oho had not said a word,
chine in fora share of Isis onizer,'lweative lie did not
call his Hurt. Friend to order. Ile dill not know he
u greater caller to order than any one else (A
laugh.): he !eel eertaiily called a Right Hots.
Getstleinen to oe]er, when he. curate shown to the
Reuse with garbled extreets, upon which he was
proceeding to comment, but bedsit not think his
lion. Friend had been out of order, who deserved
theitkefor having eotomitnicated to the- House the
letter he had read. If that letter was not in the
poioeseion of the Right Uou. Cieutlema, be could

not produce it, but he Moped he *edict reidilett
the other pipets moved for, if writing his reaehis
lie concluded with saying, that as he had beard no
offensive expresrion escape his Honourable Friend,
he trusted the Right Hon. Secretary would sleep
upon his wrath, and resume his wouted calmness.
Mr. CANNING said, he did not admit that to be
genuine, nor did he know that Mr. Frere had ever
seen it. It was not a letter from the Junta, to
which Mr. Frere was accredited. •
Lord Hatay Perri- said, that the motion was
pot eonfi!wed to the letter from the Junta, but em-
braced other papers, which the Right Honourable
Gentleman world perhaps produce.
Mr. CANNING replied, that he had before stated
he knew of none of those moved for.
Lord CASTIAREAGIN said that there were no such
papers in his possession, nor had they any inform,-
lion of them whatever at his office.

Mr. ►►'HIT/RCA, said, that whatever might be
the result of this discussion, the House had at least
arrived at one importing fact, from whet had fallen
from the Noble Lord, which was, that he (Lord
Castlerengli) was still one of Ilia Majesty's Coun-
cils. Ile could not help expressing surprise at this
circumstance, considering that there was no less a
minority against him than 167. This verified the
saying, that the oak that stands boldly to the storm
was sometimes uprooted, while the bullrusli, which
yielded to its impulse, most frequently survives its
effects.

Lord CASTLEREAGH, in answer, observed, that
any suggestion from the Honourable tient[man
would not be attended to by him.
Mr. PEICIMAL observed, that the surprise ex-
pressed by that Hon. Gent. opposite (Mr. Whit-
tared) must no doubt be confined to himself, for
he conceived that after the House had expressed
• sentiment as to nothing having occurred that
culled for his Noble Friend retiring from office, it
would rather be a matter of suspicion jibe had not
obeyed its dictates. tVe were to measure the con-
duct of the House by its majorities, and not by
its minorities, and therefore the Noble Lord's con-
tinuing in office was in exact conformity to that
sense so expressed.
General TARIXTON said, that after the warmth'
displayed by • Right Hon. Gentleman opposite,
who hid spoken upon this occasion (Mr. Cannuolc.)
he could not help offering a few observations.—
Ile (Mr. Canning) had foiraerly said. that Ito-
unperte was the child sad champion of Jacobin-
ism ; now we might say, that the Noble Lord
seemed the child and champion of office. He
thought it became him, in the present state of
the public Press, and of the House, to give some
idea of this Colonel Charmilly, the French Gen-
tlensaa who had been sent as a messenger from
Mr. Frere to Sir John Moore. About fourteen
years ago, Charmilly came into the company of •
Mr. Deveretkx, one of the Irish Delegate*: to
whom. in the course of gambling, lie had hest the
sum of 26 guineas, but refused to par. This Mr.
Devercux came and stated to him (Gen. Tarleton),
and he desired to know all the circumstances of the
matter.

Ilere an Hon. Minnber spoke to order, as the
!1011. General seemed, all he thought. to be going
be; and the course of the diactusion of the question
before them.
The Sensate said, that it was very difficult to
assign ally hind to any debate; it should therefore
he mutter of consideration with the lion. General,
whether 4is: should enter into the character of a
person. concerning whom no specific notice had
been given.
(;(31Crilli TAIII.NTOI resumed, and said he was the
last man to monad the feelings of any Him. Mem-
ber, hot when this Colonel Charm'lly %vial{ mention-
ed and coupled with that of Sir John Alii-are, he
dill feel it his bounden fluty to state what lie knew
of him. %Ye had all learaeil "hut Colonel Char-
milly was the bearer of that dispatch front Mr.
Frere to Sir John Moore, uud therefore he was en-
titled to proceed with his story. Mr. Devereux
meant to challenge Colonel Charmilly for refusing,
upon frivolous gnus:ids, to pay this debt of honour.
sad wished him (General Tarleton) to be his second.
He would not be second, but he said he world put
au extinguisher upon this business, by proposing a
submission to arbitrators, as to whether the money
was properly won or lint. This was accordingly
agreed to ; but Mr. Channilly afterwards refaced
to comply with their award. Ile thought there
could not be much honour in a person of this-de-
scription, who hal pat ...0; guineas into his pocket,
by refusing to pay a deist of hocour, end yet this
was the person who was entrusted with the ma-
nagement of the British army in Spain. He was,
of all others. the most improper person to be so
em;iloyeil.
Mr. EDEN. in reply, saidthat if His Majesty's
Ministers welt not in joceisessiou of the papers he
had mentioned, he shoold not press the motion lie
hail made ; but this he could not suppose war the
ease, when we found that Si, John Moore was in
strncted to take as a general rale for his conduct,
advice, received loon the Junta, or front Mr.
Frere. At a critical period, Sir John Moore Weir-
disegly received adeice to take the steps he did ;
and how can it be supposed that Government knew
nothing of it ?
Mr. CANNING, in explanation, said, that the re-
sentment he had expressed, was, that such a mo-
tion for papers had been made, after it had
been previously stated by hitn, that they were not
in his possession. All that lie therefore corn-
planned of, was, thin a motion should be made for
the purpose of accusing Mr. Frere, sad putting
hint under the necessity of coming to the discussion
of seta it question.
. The Segal =a then put the motion, and it was
negatived without a division.