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-sated 40 Stnetalft? Attention freate'Sts Abide PIMA
with strict and imitable propriety. •
!Mr. Roan replied tit the "tom Metaber, end
4tositeinled, that lastest' of the Orders' m Council
Neigig the cause in which originated the dime rec.
teems with America, they had their souriw bug
beflire, in the Non-Importation egriehient of 1806,
and the subsequent &nisei go of 1407, the letter of.
',which was ironed on the Bth December, before any
aceotint of the issuing df the Orders in Council
round by possibility have tisiiehed America. With
respect to the ihenovenience sustaieedly our West
India nilamis from the measure, this lie contended
"was slight itilleet4 or rather nothieg ; nand by letters
stated 'to have bees, received, they kise'w, little of the
Em butthe name, having founds within them-
selves, or 'from the British colonies in America, all
those supplies they were used to receive from the
United States, both of provisious nod 'linden-;
so that beeilining to find they isould do with-
out their former supplies, they were reaping
the benefit, by 'feeling their own independence.—
With respect to the emsiperative injuries suffered by ,
'the two countries, the Rousewetilil judge of them
from the feet that the commerce between us and
America hail uttered by degrees from un equidiry
to a reduetion on our part to 8,060 tensor shipping
*employed, while the Agnerieuns lied increased in
the inverse ratio of 17d,000 toes, previdus to the
adoption of the measures complained of. These,
therefore, ,ere the suffering* which were to ha
complained of by the ineuseres adopted. Ceder
these circumstances, therefore, lie considered the
address proposed, as only tending to impress the
Americans with the conviction that we were under
the necessity of submitting, arid thereby bidding
them take courage, anti throwing further difficulties
in the wits• of accommodation, et a time when every
candid offer war made to them to effect a reconci-
liation.
Mr. GRATTAN supported the motion. It was a
common phrase to call a subject important ; but he
could not help considering the present as equally
so with that wine,' formerly had lost America to
this country ; dais tending to join that country with
France, as the former had lost her to us. He res
melalwred it was the cognition cry upon that osiers
sion, that Opposition had been the eaten of our
finlure, by teaching America her rights, when she
would, bet for them, have willingly submitted ;
in like manner it was now contended, that she
was ready to submit, if she were not instruct-
ed by the Opposition ; but he considered it as
most contemptible to abandon the cause of
*dice, froM the dread of imputation ; nor shout&
be abstain from the discharge of his-duty to hi*
country, Or even to America herielf, from such
dread of misrepresentation. It hod been ends*:
stitat•Piesisould avoid every thing that might excitlSl
them avian us, as the two nations mutually dos
illilaillsdalliseach other. In this principle lie agreed.
smiths= we should pat such a construction On It'll.'
els' the evils urilisiteion. It was notorious,
tttwl all the pipers of the day proved it, that
America had resisted 'sue ftisrliu Decree.—
(limn its promulgation, she had immediately re.
imensereted, and was answered it did not, *or was
intended to effect •Amortco.. -It. wee also admitted
tbat, the DecreewaiseteaferuianatititeeSellitataber
*following. and themilhisAapasiems Iftalmaailithr re.
Monstrated again; and on Jbe Skid of December,
Viet :enlarge issued; so that by admission there was
no acquiescence on the pert of Americo. It is as-
seas au excise for not repealing the Orders in
Conned, that the offers of America have not been
Siaffieiently precise. Are the Ministers ready to
'Maud by that assertion? and if farther and necessary
explanation be offered, are they reedy to repeal
these obnoxious mimsures? Whet, America otters
to back us, and assist in punishing the insolence
of France, shall we persist in rejecting her friend-
ship ? This was neither founded in justice. nor the •
law of witio,ls. According. to this principle, if
France emild hut titre:sten, however weak and
itapntent, we mast 40. as it we were justiliabls is
confounding ad maxims of right and wrong, and
taking our principles not from Gott but our enemy.
Or would we drive America toFrauce, and thus form
the beginning of that alliance with her which might
end in our ruin? After trying the quegtion on the
principles of justice, he would canvas* it outhoseuf
trade. Would Ministers tell them, after having
sufeied a diminution is our trade in Europeoffotir
millions. not to be afraid? It was acktiowledged
our exports to America amounted to twelve mil-
lions, and our imports to six, and these chicly of
the raw materials. Are these nothing to be les-
weeded ? The flaxseed to !rebind, inetaiice—
The annual consumption of this article atomic was
'estimated at forty thousand barrels, of which
35 thpusand were from America—this then was
au evil to be avoided, as we would avoia
an American, war. Would they give up a
country, that was not only sot our rival in 1'.1111.•
nieret, bait not to become so for n Series of
reare; and dub was moreover Mrly to be u barrier
in the new world to the power end ambition of
France, lifter she lied overrun all the stittiii Of Eu-
rope? What wait this but turinti4 the Cuittittotit
into an universal soldiery, in order to rob the Id-
cereal trader ? The Right lion Gent. hud stated,
that America was indisposed to this country. If
she were so, whose fault was it; We wished to
sliselde her, we wished her to submit to be taxed
by this country, nod 'this was whet she never
would submit to. The Honourable Gentleman
then contended, that the course parsited by His
Majesty's Ministers was calculated to have a very
contrary effect to whin could be considered as
desirable: it would have the effi•ct of mak-
ing our enemies in Fraucts, all enemy of
soldiers, and iu America it would make Ott an
enemy of silautifitutotrers ; the latter we compelled
to he so, and it would ln• to iiiir loss ; as to the fer-
iae., we must mournfully Muck to the Continent.—
While he lamented this resit:, he did not IMMO to
sue it was designedly brought about, lint it was the
effect of weak counsels, which called in fike nations
and false passions in tampon of false polities. A
Right Houoitralile Gentleman 'hail adduced in.
stances to prove an existing morbidity of Francs
to Amenes ; if so, it went to prove his argtsismal.
He did not behave America looked apes one cams.
Try with love, and the other with honor, but on
both with indifference. IT we made oar trident a
rival to petty traders. we became a little people.
and a petty rivet of their- petty prnfits. What
could be expected from such conduct ? They

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spoke Stpride: bllfert,e litbetitta their Want of 'it -sis
The Hon. Menu wr tot4luatil with neseitinglYbei
the measures pinned OM* in the rind detre 4mes .
rice into:the arty of Prelim:
Tar. C:Oleetin chid, that 'no one admired more.,
than he did the 'splendid declumatioa of the Hens
Gentleinen who had just iit down, but considered
his molt of discussing' he "question as extraordi-
nary. He wished them totteed back the steps they
had pursued, hat left the House to conjecture what
others to adopt. He asked whether the Honoura-
ble Gentleman could expect to elcienge the dis.
.suasion, and make the questinn betaren America
and Etiglaird, and not between litighind and
Fnenee '? The Right licesounible Gentleman thou
alluded to en Hon. Member, who, he laid, hod
spoken perversely in an early stage of the debate;
and asked if he meant to say that the questiou was
considered by His Majesty's 'Ministers as ripe fur
decision ? He protested against such. atemulesion.
.But it was the Gentlemen opposite who Ihou4lstso.
—who also thought this the proper thine.--Lt he d
heel' stated, that some of the papers had been ex-
tracted unwillingly—in point of iret there was en
ewe inure reluctently given than another ; end the
reason why their production was not resisted, wit.,
that they were at the time already in piiiit He still
considered the question as unlit for decision ; it was
net indliciently ripe for the disenssion of •Parlta-
meet ; but its it 15:1.7 brought ftlllllMild6 Isswriarems
willing to shrink from It ;_ lie felt it his duty to
Wert it as far us he could. without suffering it to
lead to any' premature disclosure. Au Hon.
Gesit'emesi had consleinned the 'curse pursued
by His Majesty's Aliiii.ters, ur,:erl that there was
its necessity to take a retroinieviive view of the
subject, and that the case was clearly laid open.
He tl.ought it impossible to consider the question,
without seen in what state it was when His Ma.
jesty's Ministers cause into power. The Honour.
able Gentleman seemed to consider hsimsrtf al
some great planet, surrounded by satellites, tit
which lie gave motion; if so, he fancied be was
not within his power of attraction..—(4 lam.
When he brought forward a motion, he i crime/ft
should not point out the course others were to
pursue; and he partienlarly would net wish to be
guided by him. The question resolved itself into
three prominent points : the justice of the cause;
its policy and expediency ; and its enalingensent.—
It is a statement between belligerent France and
belligerent Eaglaud, in which unfortunately Ame-
rica is involved. owing to our avowing a right
of retaliation upon our enemy; the right of
retaliation, or self-defence, is that which gives
the mesesa. resisting an attack from whatever
;patter at.. source it may come; if the enemy
attack you through commerce, you must resist
him ; if he seize on neutral territory to attack
you, you have a Tight to pursue hilJ through that
neutral territory; if through a neutrall fortress, you
have a right to destroy that fortress. It was upon
this principle of sell:defence we had acted towards
America; which principle, if not true, might sub-
jeat es to censure; and we should, while we tows
Wing roll in imagination, lie prostrate upon the
ninth. If we are attacked through neutral
Isitious, we must retaliate; and this doctrine, hod
ants. fantod upon, nut only by HS Illejrstfi
MillrMinisters, but by their redemption.
rders of the 7th of January laid the foun-
dation of a broad general principle, acted upon •
the subsequent Orders se much the subject of •
rnadrersion with the Honourable Gentleman _
posate. He was willing to admitthet it was not upon
the poor pretence of the existing Law of Nations,
hut upon the extension of that law, an extension
just and necessary. that His Majesty's Ministers
*Preto rely in the present instance for justification:
The Order of the 7;h of January asserted the prin.
silly of retaliation, but limited and restrained its
application ; the old rule of 66 was admitted, age
contrary to his expectation ; and when France
knew no distinction lettsieen slave and slave, '
thought England was jut ait“:l iu refusing
know any distinction between port and port.--
It should not b 2 %supposed, he said, that the Orders
of the 7th of January were rice jut inure cenforase•
able to the eiseient law of nation,, than those '-
which the present Givernment were responsible..
Any deviation 140111 law was us much a deviation
its it' it hail been indite to a larger extent. The
Orders in Council were to he defended upon this
ground, that the present state of the world required
the iippliestiou of new principles, or the extension
of old ones. When he and his colleagues came into
power,t hey had fou lid that the principle of retaliation
was acted upon by their predecessors, mitigated in its
extent, and limited mud corrected in its degree,
but manifestly and expressly intended to be farther
enforced when circumstances and ociesions should
challenge the enforcement. But while he went se
far with the farmer Ministry as to admit the justice
of the principle upon which they bud acted, he con-
lased that he could not eaderstand one part of
nheir conduct in the negeciation with America ; he
-did not understand why. on the 30th of Decem-
ber, they should appear to entertain doubts,
end bold forth expectations es to the policy they
should adopt; and on the 7th of Jan. all of a sudden,
acquire such new lights upon the subject, as to de-
'ermine, without farther hesitation, upon the *dep.
Pon of the jorineiple; be did not understand why,
Ant a me of waiting the result of certain eons
. =Tzat
:they should in about a week decide
waiting fur that result. It was a point is
Agit ire duct which he hoped the Noble Lord could
sigsbein (Lord H. Petty) ; he owed the explaaation
..a America; he owed it to his Needs, mud to his
wirewasy. It seemed to be • question whether the act
',Otis Berlin Decrees was an act of hostility or not.
41se was much surprised hew any oite could consider
.1111 a twilit's' ; it was said to be a mete muisicimil
i ion, instituted int her own convenience; but
e is
was that inunieil regelatieu. Mid where
isms its pretence tuthe character it had thus assented?
It was urged in support of its title to that 0hm-
.41/Wer. that the Nisrigntion Act of England was
a inimicipel regulatiou ; and et was
where was the dittiaetionthid alienist exclude
Irons the yonnietaw? The thatitie no *ma
the regulation of the Nlovigation Act
avestyperinaisestaine, it wait else of leng staedinz ;
4:4/
*vim, known ta.all the world, and actin:raced ou
kr • tills nations; it - was sot a regitletiese
••••4wgio- d to a 'parties* Inning* "'a!" *at
of the circumstance' the moment, can rir-
taking of the partial and I:toting stamp of the

his
roust
answer st.
that brought a , p.foroitat
io ► Elosourafile wppoekarlsasl
expressed a lore for his in orisleh Ito
was certain that he was Wassese; that Clismalia.
pm must thick favoismigy eitau at the :pia-
tees that attach as, 11$o. ear solve lead,
ilaurefiine be was of (missile...4o he wwaid j3in
him io preferring the excalpptsam a his wets
couatry. sod agree eve. to adasit.the symistae saf
his prejudices toward. her; that be, trottlid irt
theta act to the iallaktes or hie iSIPOZe
io a• ease where there was • amopliz t 1
justice. much -

Broberg* .-
... some tittle _ , witharairli.- - 41*
Could Move lie asked 'he li• oitiottcr.tleginnof rat it. -."41.4
time than between the pisition wareraitiribild tithe ' .-•• 2
American Gavernmerd. end this tiimiamms ef a
possible expectation, this doubscist lilifdtaltalliatiof .. a
an indefinite proMise ? And was it wonderful that ,::: ' •
he should desire a distinct racial snatenoint, rat her • •
than trust to his own memory, awl be astisied with
a statement that seemed studiously leas? Mr.
Pinkney. he admitted, .did go vary far in his Mu-
rersation with him ; but when he. referred bite-to •
the ground on which he rested duos d
terms. it was to a document
structiona, but only proffering those
of which he hull already expressed Ins'
tam. As to the notice that he was
hiving lobar of none newspaper representati
Slets
be miaid• .. 4lse Honourable Gentleus
1114 Oa . Ilia the sentiments of news-
zEiten conalry were not to he regarded
a in this ; the fact was, they were a kind
a t upon which the goverment itself
aillai, sad by which it frequently transmitted its
fraileassol sentiments to Ministers re-Udall iii Wier
elsimlehms. This made a misvairresentAnn Irma
thus Imam scrims Manic alight first appear "ft be.
and eves thin it was Mr. Pinkoicy who volunteered
to explain, not he who ebbed for replatiationo-.
Bit when the proposition was made to Oast
Britain that theEsaliargn should Ire withdrawn* it
was upon the stipulation that she should withdrew
ail her Or4rv. that of the 7th Jan. the rule of 56 t
the inevitable - et •

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tclimeat44"iosis4ll j"..bl,ll66'ssawr
Suturing, Melba hived ib 04* the Hawses
There was '4 principlo . fejwick .teid teat go we
o'bililUill:e"tit.3ll:l:4ad.fri,P4t4l4hTilide deciatnitio4villYsiVe6t.ll.lll:ll4:lBPre:ll:dgab.:iir""irtrau. woliiille".4hirehallh.'
retained hei hosts-14 to Itoglitati. ilia' AreoBoa
would be assisting her measures of M.
wants this country,. This wu a jastifmaties the
principle upon whichNiaisters had acted. As *whew
therFrauce was or was woe the Jae themiiit
that question was obviou y desiiled by a
‘light renew of the cue. Fiestas willing to allow,
that if Great Britain had departed (roes the law
of titions, if slue had violated those principles
that 'must ever be beta secredernolog sellOoes 95
among individuals. and thet the &din thicsars
were Justly deemed a retalietimilor that stesdatt; if
this was the (am, he admitted ilmt °vim*" severity
of the 'l446a:ion, conk( sot Instil/se madam of
Great Britain, or *Cord the .iileaiistieir of
the crime of which she had 'bisinsigukg. is .11
the par-re trltrisiniited froax.4llPiesfeil, ,
.ifPoOkAiiiii 94r'
tirm, there appeared. en imaiolill notsciteelie Nir,gove •
her the priority in wrong; diet:sissies • spdosattz-
deavour to establish wfist ivvelreoitia kt ~
eel---heat, there ewe 44•40.4, Z7+511/P1411111.-4 _____
vi‘.otto the BerliaPecries, sad, wamirmirffi-
ell upon throe viola tionr..,the decry% red .
to. Among these riolatiogawyg,iwe . o,-
Jars for ilapressingA melte 1 wtypti •
the rule of 56. Rad tete prod • - ra wpm!
blockade. With respect to the. sear% it Awas
justed by the rule gyms sirhiph.it alas founded.
And a. to the latter. he could states *met wee
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farce soffecient fur the toad tictifig of tup bl
whiCh being the vine. the char& of .
against this mutat,' Melt 'faildtethe Simead.
lie was happy to hare ,it ip Jwis pow* lb Wh-
tc:iiii
dicste the nicter or GR:it gritolilh tt it was '
a reflection Mut interfered Co intidentii a depee s
his eiteltatiow. when he saw atwai OA si.itheistiloss
must insole& the entscia42f Arine'nca i ii dsis censwee.
that Oat had brought e Wee charge. sod
had
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its it. Ile Rououradde Gentlemen wppeetwelsad
expressed a love foe his commisy. its wins* /be
Wag PfYitsain tie.* I - _- -- _ -Y_ . ..e.

resist justice. much more in a ease where thabies i • oas -
thick distinctly marked mad ueequivsondl7 eOM-grionds—
that If it were true thet France was the eg.g:tiao!, sled
~ you that the Berlin Decrees were seta at ohne* mos
upon tore, the case of Ministers was eqtablishsti. WZ
wards the Order olds. 7th of, Jellit.orlaywe:r rAwi
sub- preamble that acosnalanied st .. •
tow. pie of retaliation, at the issme time diplia6:lla.
i the tug the full extension of that principle*
weal period. In November it lee
had , that-d,. cu.biebt Pa sec was .pt pr..
sty's disci% its proper effect. sod thetas, exteasimolaf
non. the principle reeofaisedin it, sae called .f se ,at • .
bun- that atontent. he Horsourable Geralsonaai
Min to prove that they were wrong, met •Sliser
gni- th .t there Was a distinction between tit" pill. t
1 op. ciple of the two Orders, *Sidi he • • : .
upon find impossible. As 'to the &eV
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ions, embargo, he thought 'that anon.
isio.i the papers, to put It out ads all' all' d
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stern Orders produced the ihnbary: 'The nissesallllllie
num Gentleman dei hincited Mr. taking' rle#Er; '
min. Mr. Piuhtsey's expressions were sum; at lrby
d its been anxious to select words to prevert'sech:
tho' prehension on this subject; he venni Ot brim
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once more successful ;heliad done all tbotibe'
, lie could do, to pranoence: it a precaution • Mast'
fto ass anticipated measure. la thiletter sit t .. . -
't.— April, addressed to AlroPisdasey Irma hasessritb. 7 •
den went. he was desired. if (best • Alrinsie derplied•• .1 *
ma• with his request of read die Ora* tin
for Council, to give her to • ..that *e% •'
!. Embargo might in some time be withdrawn: 4.e- .a. li

r u amenable consequence air tall }prime to
I exclude our muted ships free VIM ill h
t we corrieti on our track. whit e Are eeelpsl siipi, of .
• the enemy Ltd access to Muni : thitlatplolo,lo
' o:tenure and to rain what .it sheel44ll"_.o"r ell,"
vont., and was our dearest iuteriest tuonpud. t
if the Eistbsego with respect. syieeplad.
bow could America put it iit fora *lnfer
t..ith what efket maid she 4difert , air pee-
Pid America hums 'oohing et ell . itaeles i
eepageglitsc
If the Pinhorgo was raised with r
to-orrow, he woitii fur A Irnitierer
os . .
eat with Peehesimieles,47 .168,. er .
ewer. *o4.i* .0141ce ads. Irisostago, week) ameesenhe eit
"Mew *he ogoavrt4 ; to,itiille!:
in the Wrier fir. Mr• t= it wee "1"1"..