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pelmet disjointed Administration imagine they
more strength than he possessed to etiret the latter,
or did they consider the present a lit tnoment, ahem
clouds overhung the political horizon ? Hr de.
clued he did not stand up for one plan more than
enother, being instructed to support any plan, es
being better than the present system. It would he
recollected. thatin Irelead.there were three religiose
reeognized by the law of the land, and it was requi. •
site that all their ministers should be decently •maiste
taints!. le this respectshe diJßrat materially from
England, and therefore he coald not agree to the nee'
cesiety of extending the alteration pruposed to tine
country. In 'Maud, also, the poor found them.::*
selves forced to pay whatever was demanded tif
them in the shape of coininutatioit of titlit, or ex.
pea to bear a thunder more dreadertity them than
the French Artillery. the censures- emitted- by
the Canons of the Church, in the shape of citations.
This wits the more hard upon them us the doctrines*
of the Church of England had not been presitheff
to them in the mild language of the gospel, but
enforced et the point of the British bayonets, par.
ticularly in tire tonic of Elizabeth ; upon the whet.
he svarsed Ministers, that if they refused to redsl,:,‘
the pledge made on the subject, they might expect
to find the wide of that House roeered wits Pe-
titions from all earts of that kingdom, prnelntt a•
repeal of that which would relieve them frees en'
further care on the subject of that pledge.
The Hon. DlCtt,a Littowee considered the ad.--
wallets period of the Seesioe as unfit for the harm..
ductiou of a subject of such magnitude; it iderelld
bb isitroduced inviter at the commencement, in or.
der to afford due thus for deliberation and discus-
sion, and if such were introduced, he pledged him-
self to give it his support.
Mr. GRATTAN reprobated the *hole of the pre-
sent system of tithes—they created the tithe-pro.,
tor, and he was the•grestest and must penile:loos
upon earth lie cheats two ways, for he take'
more than his due from the farmer, and the panl'.
does not receive that whirls he is entitled to. li*
Protestant Church estahliehtuent should be pooti-
lar in Ireland, because it supported the Protestemit
interest in the couetry : but if public odium tell
upon the Proctor, that ssistundly transferred itself
to the Parson, *led throng!' him it teaches! to the
Geterninent. The qui siien itself sae to Ire de-
bated oil two grumads, both a, respectitig. the me..-
sure itself proposed, and as leading to a system Of
emninutatiors. To the latter he professed he bed
been always friendly; hr was also friendly to the
• Church estabfislimeet, yet he could amt but think
that the nature of tithat served only to resider the
clergy disrespected. He would not diminish their
ineeine, altlsinigh he eoasWered it abusitiminy am-
ple; but he would not have it remain nueertain.
Ile allowed there sees nimtculty in applying a reme-
dy to she evil, bus he would not allow it was inui •
possible. If GentleineiLwili not inquire, they can•
not expect to be is:formed; and the Doty way he
knew of to acquire information.*** to go into a
Coalmine., and therein to leant the ante of the Irish
Church. If the Right Hon. Gentleman had good
grounds fur the change in his sentiments, he
thought be war equally well-founded in unstring
to his. • It was lope and ridiculous to Milt of ims..
(miring. into the real value of tithes, for, if they
slid so, they should esptally iluptire into their
application, lad- the purposes for ohiph thee
were originally. granted , and, lir that *went, be
apprt headed the Clergy would be famed to he
no great gainers by this inquiry.; the true object of
inquiry would be, what was a lit and proper sup.
port liar the Clergy ? and upon that inquiry he
. was sure they would not be left less rich ; mid be
did not wish they shod.' Le more so. In respect
to Ireloud, it should be recollected, that the
Catholics pay to two churches; the one frouu
choice, the other from necessity ; and that without •
receiviug any spirituel compensation irballever.
Another hardship in tithes was, that they were suit
merely n lithe upon the produce of the hod, but
also, of ueeessi ty, upon the labour in the attainment
of that produce. The sincertainty of that produce
was likewise the fouinletion of disputes every year.
unless they did that by agreessesit which Avoid
be done by, Act.of Parliament. Ile had himself,
at two different periods, proposed what he consi-
dered at remedy for the evil, and he thought either
of them was preferahle to the present system ; is
like manner he considered the preheat Bill as pro-
posed at least feasible. At the period of the exist-
ence (*lnlet description.of disturbers called White
Boys, he had proposed, and a clergyman had adopt-
ed ustem of commistatinie by o hich be had ob-
tained an income emmsideitably larger, and with mu-
tual satisfaction, than he enitid here obtained by the
regular snodminf levying his tithes. The system of
leases he by no means considered as impracticable
mill they would certainly here the good effect of
enabling time fuenier to follow aid eery his lodes-
try without (heed of uwy fresh deutund hieing
made upon that inclusty. He considered the pries-
elide a good one, and cominuiation eligible, ass sr.
enring to the firmer the greatest blessing hr was ea-
pable of receiviiig-e-a Security a,{siost uncertainty.
Mr. MAVISICe FITZGIMALD supported the me.
time and in doing SO. represented the hardship. mif
a million of people of Ireland, who were Ca.
posell to greater burdens in regard to tither, that'
the people of Blighted ; and in In•ltind tin pone
rates such no paupers were supported at the pultlic
expense, while those here were supported by poor
rates and in workhouses.

Mr. M ACM *LIGHTEN segued against the mil Mo.
He should lie glad to hear of any plan that
likely to effect • change that could add to the CUM.
forts of those paying tithes, but he hail us yet helms
of none that could meet with his approbation.
reco 11111 l elided to Gentlemen not to bring girl/mut
any measure of this port until they could prepare
it proper subvtitut. for that which they moult to
remeily.
Mr. Coosa* spoke Against the motion.
Colonel Hurctitaren supported it. He thought
the tithe system in England ass perfect in com-
parison to that of Ireland. and although the pre-
sent proposition did nut go to remedy the evil, yet
it pletv•il the House, that early is nest erosion
they wi.ulil tart their attention to at.
Nfr. Faxecti shoved the previous (petition, as he
saw no prospect of the. Hou-e,being able to discuss
the measure (luring this Ses.ion, and it was only
rumor:y.oin a feeling altirh the% could not Bruit'..
lip ii tlir previous question befog put from the
Chair,
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