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PUBLIC NEVENuE.

Lord AtTIIIAND cormoilulate4 the tinwe and
the country on the preseut state of the publ.c
Kr-
venue. It was a tourer of suttxtactioo to him to
state the ext orts of the country, in the last year, to
the 7th of January la-t, thuu?,..l inferior to the pm.
of .t he Gasser were, ncverlbeless exceeded
the sum of forty sniAiens. He wished, however,
for the purpose of i.lv-estiauting the reui tesources
und wealth of the country, that the Iloaie should
be furaisbecl with accurate avec/Onto of the exhorts
of this country, dist ioviishini the ruaaufactures of
Ciis country from foreivi prodirte, fur the last
mouths, enaing en 7th January, as well as those
of the three correspossdisig mouths in the throe
precettsig }ear!.

fered to proceed adage through theAduse,although
the sentimenb of their L0rd,..,,,„ Khad ao douut, .
were decidedly against the 1T1424,U It. Ite I:ollZeiVe4
it a flagrainnlolation elf Vhe pririlevs of an Sibs-
natch, andcoutradietoty to the priecip:es of the
.Constitution ; he widiesi the Home to cieraidixtee
danger which might result Veto perinitiiog.a spirit
of innovation to Re abmad. Such proceemi.... as
this had precaled the iciforttitiate era of -its-tl.e.e
The cone:opened of this' Ilpirat were toe dteedfilil
to relate.- headed iii the destructiou of the :sips,
narch, aetr the total closing oh the (toots of time
;frt. Horner of Partionent. He wished the ' t had
fallen into better hands, but lie had haute if •
and his conscience. in openly metering is feeiicagi •
and aesitiineets on the oecdssou to ilkiliosee. He
concluded sifittr moVitsgs- hiMillietirje- be dies •
charged."
Lord BOTTNODON was pleased with the tempts-
and moderation displayed by the Nohi. Lord, bat
could by no means iefree iu the iefereiniee dt*e
from the premisi.s. he had laid down. The elliW.
tonnes and disturb ee es to wliieb he had Abided, iu
his mind, render the necessity of the iuterferetice
of Parliament obvious, lest by pe ' ting those..
evils which were admitted to be the ebicient r-5x6..•
It, of the cuhtinities which mooed, is should Le
iovotv.d in similar tonseqweeees.- 11 vaiie:tad. te• •
sripport the Bill..fmt nabs #ll a please -.4,r,;;igm.
pore, and subject to the amendineldsitital.-•
Wes about tr.,be% added riy his NOliicTriend ttlit
Secretary of State. .
.'
hateesi.
Lent Ititotstiats, in fl 11/ kn. II . r IrgiVi. •
ported the . opinion ,in i.g. . 7OLle : 11..xwel
Arden) in nearly the satins-AC.4e whiel.4% inin*
our province already to subtiiit to the pub' iowit-
former discrissiou of this suleect. . ,; . ‘ . ' i •
Lord llot.taND espresad gent pleima • •
consolatory idea, that there sere at I :mum
nit:nines Of economy tiniler their Lore ' sod •
the Ministry". consideration., Much had be.% si.l •
on its nereasity, but comparati‘ely little
.slone. •
'the late Oovernmeist hail eadvaieured. to ii.sw....
dere Nome reform in this most Necessmy deparcs
went. The Commons had Coitus ed that good ex.
ample, ;ad it wow lay at their Lordships' option
to decide Whether ihev odour would be blind to the
public inee,rest. lie ',Googly recounseMied to their
Lordships a due consideration of the weight of the
responsibility laid ou them, rhould.they refloat tka •
present measure of &tourey, aud.Mt bat one Ines
tirb of regret relative to the tiresioure, six. thattve
sin did mot proceed sufficiently far. hes* guaU
esti- by halves.
the Earl of CAIL/1111.6 conceived it the th - t
duty of the Minister. of this colour,
.'to inaie
every possible retrenchmeat in elk/mature. it
had been observed, by the great Mr; &Om, th:•-•:.
the Prerogative of the Crown had increahal. was
incrensing. aud ought' to be diminished. It ass
here e the duty of the. guardians of the Coarti.
tuned' to correct the efforts or the Prerogative lii
overwhelm the other branches of the State. 1 i
the Hercelean attempt to cleanse the A u....-can stahie
of corruption, it was necessary-the whole tide of
popolar fecliog suid public spirit should be direct..l
to the completion of die great and mighty enter-
prise. ( Hear ! hear !) .
The Earl of MOIZA assured the Home, no rain
there was more willing to axsig in aij effectual
mode of retrenching the pulite, expenditure; nor
would he to-en be over Scrupulous of trenching ou
the meted bounds of Prerogative. provided this de-
sirable end could be obtained by no other In ans.
He had never heard of the Prersootive beisig coos
siclered auv thing else Fret a pm-tic...ln deeo.4ted ;a
the hands of the Monarch for the advaatege of his
subjects, and the icood of the empire aaLlaree. It
-xis hence fair to conclude, that this Prorogat..e

•
should, w%eit expedient, bow to the necessity of
tbe titu-*, or the plinth. welfnre. Sue) were al-
ways IL. seittniteuts, and be trusted they iliould nor,
be easily shaken ; bait in the present instance he
could nut but observe the good proposed to bet
effected was so doubtful, if any at all, cud the
menus such as should not be resorted to but on
extinordinary occasions, is here the then"itil
result-
tug were ummue and striking, that there really ex-
isted no inducement to agree in the preen Bill's
enactment. If it oat to pow et all, it twos also to
be eircniuserthwil (lie had understand) in its dares
tion. Prohibiting the Crown from granting rever-
sions, for a short space of time, certainly would nit
effect any great good. Hence he was compelled to
give his dissent to the measure, as totally inefficient
is its perpose.
Lund tioltitowitY did not area: Out stratvgth of
argument in the speeches of Noble Lords who op-
posed the Bill, which was mafricut to induce bun
to oiipore the batuure, under certain ustedinertiows.
It was true that the Wiese were the hereditary
Counsellors of the King, bound to support his just
rights and Prelogetives ; still there %%AN Igghing iu
the exercise of that duty, ineonsiste.it with the
other, equally int perative, of preserving the interests
of the people. lie considered that both Houses of
J evilement had full authority to address their
Soernegn On such measures as to them seetned
advisable, and, therefore, iu hi. opinion, the ob-
jection of the Noble and Exurited Lord, when he
spoke of au attempt to force tins measure on the
part of the other Kunst of Parliament, did by no
means apply. When be heart at submission, he
filt it reseal be meant le ea other construction,

ibinsairising from the propriety and policv of
the measure itself. Upon every view of the subiect,
he should support the outer for the House rs4lv-
ing itself iuto a Committee on this Bill.
Earl Cisatv-so" My Lords, the Noble Lord who
ballast sat down, has de irered observations so
matimd by political prudence, Bost I should have
bill it unnecessary to hove toou6led your Lord-
ships, was I not unwilling to give a silent vote On
a question of such vital importance at the present
moment. I hare hard fall from a Noble and
Learatillostd (Itedewlalr) such strange inferences,
that I really feel at a lops in what manner to ar-
coitt for than, unless by smote: sung hies to be in-
Macaw!, on this occasion, by as strong political
bigotry, as recently he was by a religious
bigetry, Si violent as net to have permitted His
Mognoty's Ministers to venture his return to Ireland.
That Leaned Lard has declared his decided hosti.
lity to this Measure. prim-wally upon three grounds;
first, that its advocate" how afforded to this House
tie reefs of its expeolieligy; nett, that it is a direct
of the 0.70 pmerAtiv..; and family, that
it is ohgeetineable, from the matinee in winch, he as-
serts, the other Woof of Ilhoriiiiment liar attempted
to force it. upon the coomiikratimarof your L.ordsloops.
MI Lords, on the first place, its expedicosey has
bpi/eared manifest to throe who, by the tote of the
other House, a vote recommeolded by the Speech
from the Throne, had, in consequence of very LC-
curate investigation and very mature inquiry, found,
that in order to effect all the objects of a solutury
and jiractirahle economy, an end oitght to he put
to the granting of offices in reversion. It was
fowl& that whilst such grants continued to be made
by the Crown, it was irnamowible either to abolish
or regulator those offices, which, from a change iu
eircumstaoces, had ennsilersibly varied in the na-
ture of their importance, and the extent of their
duties, from the owned when they Lined
originally
bestowed. Did the Noble andLesrned Lord
sot know, that there were Mikes now eajoyed
by persons, under such grants, wherein, frodi
a variety of causes, sad' a counderiable ad-
vance in the .salary awl profits had taken place,
as *ever could ham been on the contemplation of
the Crown when it bestowed them, or in the view
of the public when it assented to that prero-
Lotion, in virtue of which the power of conferring
them war exercised.lndeoril, 111 the case of the
"& le Lord who has thotmlit proper to move the
amendment of this night, I find the strangest il-
lustration of this proposition. And here, my Lords,
give me lease to assure you, that in adverting to
this fact, I am as sincerely impressed as may mein
who heart one with the valid and joist title of the
Noble Lord (Arden) to the benefits of the si-
tuation which he holds under this species of grant.
Neither can I be supposed to attribute to him
soy other misfire for the line of conduct he has
adopted on this occasion, than the ceuviction thnt
he entertains of the injustice and impropriety of
infringing on the Prrargative ; a consequence
which he. in my opinion, has in delusively attached
tro tins measure. But is there a man who hears

me who is not fully convinced that the salary of the 1
reversionary office which he holds, has, by the upe-
Potion of unexpected and recent causes, totally
ehanged its original extent, and advanced is profit
far beyond any rbtiusate that ever was enter-
untied either by the person who granted or him '
who received the office originally ? If I anvnot much
misinformed, that place has advanced in income,
freme cornparatively • very trifling amount, to the
enormous *nut of 20,0001. per annum. Can the !to-
ble and Learned Lord still complain of the waist of
proofs, in order to establish the expediency of this
prolithitiou? or can the Manse believe that this is a
solitary case. or one not sufficiently strong to induce
their Lordships to interpose a Legislative correction
against the continuance of each a dangerous sys-
tem ? Every inquiry that is made will more fully
prove the variety of similar cases which exist, and
to what a powerful manner they operate as impede
Extents to the necessary and expected reform of the
public offices, and consequently to the alleviation of
the public pressure. We next proceed to the ob..
jectiun arising from the infringement this measure is
supposed to snake on the Prerogative of the Crown.
To the Censtitsitional Prerogative of the Executive
authority I profess isytell a sincere friend. and
therefore it is that !anxiously call upon the House
to put an end to a system, above all others calcu-
lated to strip the Crown of those rights which are
ato necessary to its honour and security. Let me
ask in what manner this Bill operates against that
Prerogative ? Is not the Crown the fountain of
breionr ? Has it not the able power of the ap-
possittnimt to great offices ? What else. then. does
this bill effect, loit to redeye throve places and
offices to the standard by which at their original
form ition they were tegsilated ? What change
does it introduce, or inroad sioes it male. but in

lopping off those ireennfeas profits, which never
were to the contemplation atilt grant, earn whets
swindle and 111.111 V bt.011.%11 *Cie to 11/t• 1101111.01.111 ed
But, says the Noble sod Leo/tied 'Lord, t calmed
reconcile myself to support the pritajple of this
measure, loceisure in its okieration,.or to being made
the proved...it for succeedisig imen minus, it might
possibly or probably Ise aitenderi with most mis-
chievous sod sistimerous tronoequenets. Really, my
Lord*, it is impossible toinower this old WWI u rep-
ing arguateilt, but by others which bior-e heretofore
011 many occasions been introduced into diseursinan
lf, indeed, such an objection was to stsecessl, if the ,
spirit of improveineot war to ertiporate from the i.i-
flucitee of possible dangers autl probable appro.'
heaven's, if errors were not to be corrected or evils
remedied from an overweening dread of iimovation,
then this colliery would have to fitment the want
of all those
.great awl glorious privileges soil seen-
rities which constiote so deservedly our national
boost and our st essential safeguard. For what
was Magna (larks but an innovatimi ? What
else was the right of petitiuu ? What else the
revolution, that glorious epNA, when this
country roleidued a recognition of its • librr-
ties ? Indeed, I would ask the venerable
Bench of Bishops, whom, on this occasion parti-
cularly, I see in such formidable numbers arrayed
attend toe, whether, if this dislike to innovation,
this hostility to improvement, had existed some cen-
turies posts this country would have purtiripatvd iu
the enlightened wisdom and numerous benefit's of
the reformation ; or whether they themselves would
have ever had a seat within those walls, with. power
nests-tide on this measure of reform, a bich they are
now perhaps prepared to oppose ? The Noble mud
Learned Loyd, in his recital of the evil effects
which might probably moue from the adoption of
this Bill, or from arc curtailment of the Royal
Prerogative, has alluded to the history of this coati-
try in the year 1ti4,5, and to the French Res'alutioe
for instances of illustration. In veriewin the
dreadful orcurrenees of those unhappy tunes, and
particularly in the period of our own history; we
are induced to overlook the errors of that unlisrtu=
nate Monarch, Charles the First, in the 'tragic
catastrophe which had befallen him. But were
te calamities of that reihni to he attributed to any
*ancessions to the claims of the people ? Vaal).
play the melancholy fate of that Prince can be
Mired, first to the obstinacy with which evert im-
provement was opposed, to the unbending ilitin-
cliaation to conform to the spirit of the times, and
the progress of mental advancemetit. And let it
-not be Forgotten that, when forced into a ntomentury
aequiescence to the desire of the nation, the first
opportunitv was urixod to add perfidy to Teresal.
Aad, my lords, with respect to the French Revo-
lution, where can we hind a more sijpial and melah-
eholy exemplitiention of the danger of not yield=
inn to those plans of salutary and wholesome
correctiou which the defects of ell human iustits-
lions render absolutely necessary ? And here I cell
upou throe who are an particularly attached to the
Court, I call upon those Illustrious and Royal Per.
hostages opposite to me (the Ilukrs of York, Cutu-
berlatisl, and Cambridge) who are o active in their
opposition to this question, to reflect upon the
fallen and prostrate state of the le.,•dtianate Sove-
reigns of Europe, to consider the laineutable
Outage which. has affected some of the most illus-
trious fiunilies 011 that t'ontiatot. some expelled
from the thrones of their fathers, or degraded into
the lowest vassalage to the great and inordinate
power of France. lie assured-, that much as the
unrivalled Conquerer of the European CllllllllCllt
nets to his own extensive talents for success,
much as he is indebted to the undisputed su-
sraeity of his pleas, and to the rapidity and
discipline of his armies, for his gigantic
elevation. hr has had great and powerful auxili-
aries in the schishnew, the sordid vows, and il-
liberal jealousies, of the dynasties he has subverted;
in the apathy and torpor of the oppressed and
despised population over whOm he has t • phed.
Convinced as I am of these truths, I conjure ; his
'louse to hesitate before it commits itself with the
country, by the rejection of a measure which the
people expect, and which, in its operstion„ must
tend to alleSiate the pressure of the severe, though
unavoidable, burdens under which they labour."
Lord 11AWRINDItitr eNprrweed his anxious de-
sire, that the Bill should be wont to a Committee,
where he was assured those parts of it which were
considered hostile to the just rights of the Crown
would undergo beneficial modifications.
Lord 1100 D stated the liistoryof the Bill during
the last Session, and concluded by declaring his
intention to oppose it.
Earl of LAUDIMDAILE explained the reasons why
the Bill of last Session was suffered to lie on the
Table so long unnoticed. It arose from a delicacy
on his part to take the measure prematurely nut
of the hands of Ministers, with whom it was lint
his wish to run any contest of popularity.
The House divided on the amendment, when the
numbers were—

C•aitent• 59.4.-Ptoldes ....:I—Total e 4
Non-cuutents 4s—.Proules 39.—T.441 k 4

Art orang to the culltom of the Illomte of Lordly,
the amendment was thetefore negatived, and the
Home proceeded into Committee. Another
di-
vision then took place nn the amendment of Lord
II twitclanalf, for limiting the npenttion of the
Bill to June, 1810, when the numbers were—
Far the Ameadmest, sa—Aguitut it, al.

The Report way then browsed up, and the Bit
was ordered to be read a third t►me on Tuesda.
Adjourned at Eleven o'Clot:k.

MOUSE OF COMMON&

Mr Sir A al, sfter someuhrenstions, withdrew hi. motion
Our portposing t►e Pcorhyo Election Committee.
The American Counomioners* Bip was read • third tittle

Red !moor&
The Report from the Committee of Soupt4 w* preseeted,
nod the several reeolutiesto minted to. .

MA LM EMERY ELEctioN'coMMITTEE,
•ALIATILIP POR TRIP mar.
gsmorl Stemma, Esq. The Hum li. Lasrettes
Lair Gooey me, Esq. T. A. Stmt.% Esq.
Janws frestlagisso, P.m. • The Mos. T Coo
Sir M. M. Sykes, buil. Henri Slie!h. Esq.
Arthur Irtiskrsprar. Esq. Grumr 111rIttro, ko F.sq.
Thomas Wood. Fri. Stapktuu ottuu, Es.,
Ira 4 11 arrender, Dart.

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Mims. Cnrevy, hq

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imrs.sAc:E MOM 111 MAnSTY

Mr. SerfriUr t'
.~• %INC prw.rotvd a Ilirmage from
olkkh we, 'cad I» the Sperlur.

"Grout.! Rex,
Majtsty thinks it proper to acquaint the House of
C4111•11kOlt., that the King of !Meths Laving resisted envy
threat and MAI( tumid which lois been employed to engage
hint Si the coufedirary of the Powers of the Continent
against Great flritaiu, the dominions ut His Sactlish Ma-
jesty base thereby heroine exposed to inenstled and iumti-
nest danger ; mod that Hie Mejesty has felt it to be a duty
tut tosibent opus His 'Alois-oy, to afford to his Ally the must
prompt and riliCaritl4llo support, for the &freer of his dotal-
ohms. Ili. Nfajcaty las for this purporte catered into a Con-
resoles with the king of Sweden ; a copy of which be has
dirceted to lie laid before the House of Commons, and His
klajt sty relit:: oit the wisdom sod Ailierality ut his faithful
that they will citable His Majesty to make good
his cigs,,rowots *oh an Ally Mauch approved firinitess and
li, r bUd."
Mr. ('As Nrsc this etl, " That the said Message be
referred to a Cunnnitter of supply to-nsurrow."
Mr WIIITBRE•11 eyed, that it would be roovenient
that the House should hale • copy of the Treaty before
them, twine days previous to its being takes into considera-
tion.
Mr. CANN two assorted, that it would beheld before the
House, if pousilee, to-morrow.
M r.Pots !ON at nominal if, in this Treaty, there were any
Cultivation as to His 3lsjcsty the K tag of Sweden adopting
'seasons to render the Orders of Cuswil, of the t ith ut INio-
vemlier,etficaritins ? -
Mr. Castro answered, that that subject formed no part
of the present Treaty, it being purely subsidiary.
The muljust use them agreed to.

PETITIONS AGAINST THE ORDERS IN COUNCIL

Mr. Alderman Count presented a Petition
from the American merchants in the City of Lon-
don against the Oulets in Council, tat g• their
apprehensions of the dangerous cousequeoces of
thew Orders, as being likely to interrupt the peace
of the country with the United States of Aniericas
which would be rendered the inure prejudicial, as
we are at present excluded from the Continent of
Europe. That the neutrality of America had been
the means of circulating our manufactures, even to
our enemies, to whom we had now iso other access.
That goods to the amount of 10 millions annually
bad been exported through America; which trade
the Orders of Council would totally destroy ; and
in short that all possibility of intercourse with the
test of the world, moist be necessarily annihilated.
They therefore prayed flat they might be heard
by themselves or their Council against the said Or-
den; in Council.

This Petition was read by the Clerk, and it was
moved that it be laid upon the Table.
Sir Wu. Currie observed, that the Petitioners
were delisted to be merchant* trading'with Arse-
ries ; but he should think it necertiary to know the
sense of the other merchants of the City of Lou-
don.. Advertisements had been joined, and per-

60115 101 l met this day to the number of 1000, and
the Chairman, as be unelerstOod, had decided very
fairly, that no Petition should be presented. Au
anieuelinctit had been moved, that no Petition
should he presented; and it_appeared that three
parts out of four of the Meetiag were against any
Petition being presented. raider such circum-
stances, he wished tint the House should under.
stand that the Petition now proposed to he Lid
upon the TaWe was not the sense of the iii4ority
of the men:hunt, of London, nor ev en' the opinion
Of the Meeting which had assembled this day.
Mr. Aldermen Straw said, he Inwl been present
at the meeting alluded to, and, in his opiuiese, the
mnjority was as two to one against the Petition
being presented, and that the amendment ought
to 'save been agreed to. That amendment was.
" That in the present critical state of the coati"-,
and considering the tiegociat. at present de-
pending between this country and Americo, it
would be extremely ill-timed and improper to
present any Petition to Parliament and the
question being pot by the worthy Chairmen, it
was decided by him, that it wits carried by a ma-
jority. Were he, therefore, from this to decide
genemlly upon the merits of the Orders of Council,
as well as of the merits of His Majesty's present
Miuisters, in regard to any of their measures (and
Ire might allude particularly to the Copeuhagen
Expedition), or if the general sense of the country
were to be taken in any other way, he might ven-
ture to say that 9l) persons out of 100 were in fa-
vour of them. (Hear ! hear ! hear ! frost the 31i-
nisterial Benches.)
Mr. Alderman Castes observed. that he had
no reason to donlw die opinions and sentiments of
the worthy Alderman also had last spoken, as his
I'Mr. Shaw's) last toast after every public dinner,
had always been " Prosperity sad success to the
present Ministry."
Mr. Swim added, that he thought it his duty.
when he held the office of Chief Magistrate of the
City, to invite to public dinners all His Majesty's
Es-Ministers as will us lii. Majesty's present Mi-
nisters : for instance, at the last Easter entertain-
ment, it would be yet in the recollection of each
of them, that he had done so. (Loral losigiOrw,
with Ilear hear.' hear! from both sides of t
/louse). There were many of the late Ministry
of whom he had a high opinion, both as to thew
characters and their actions. and be should never
forget the service rendered by one Noble Lord. a
Member thereof, for his arduous support of the
honour and interests of this eonotry, when involved
in a most difficult and critical situation.

Mr. DARIN n said, he was Chairman of the Meet-
ing, and was convinced many of the persons
were not merchants connected with the Ve
States of America, a great many being West India
merchants, who thought theimelees entitled to he
there on amount of the connection of the West
Indies with Americo. Upon the whole, therefore,
he did not think that the decision of the Meeting
was correct. One of the Honourable Gentlemen,
who had spoken in favour of the intendment,
stated, that the ()relent iu Council were foolish and
aliened, and therefore impracticable.
Mr. SHAW was proceeding to observe that the
Honourable Secomiler did certainly state such an
opinion ; when
Sir dons N dimes spoke to order, as it was ir-
reinter to allude to expressions that had passed at
another meeting.
Mr. \lsadore said, be felt himself interested
in that meeting, and bad attended it Mainsequence
of the advertisement inserted in the p•blic news-
papers. He was not only connected with Ameriru
in point of commercial interest, lout in family el-
ler:nee ; but, he trusted, that neither of these con-
siderations would induce him to overlook the su-
perior interests of his country. Mani of the gen-

tleinen connected merely with the Il'est Indies, (ii
t end ; and, he conceived, they had a right to do
so, end were pedal) justified its declaring their wo.
tirneute.

Sir CHARLES Pates; observed, that the Orders is
Council affected those, merchants who traded I.
the Continent more than any other set of in.
whatever; and yet they so felt the general
likely to be derived from them, that they made to,
complaint, seeing Ain't no other mode could Le
adopted so etfeetotiolly to bring to a proper Lew.
log the conteudiiig power*.
Mr. Susses: expressed his surprise at the ittl: r-
ent sentiments of the worthy Aldermen of the
City of London. One had said, that there s
three persons out of four who rejected the Petinott
—another, that there were two to one. This a.
doubt a considerable diminution, being only at tie
rate 0f.50 percent.—another had stated, that them
were 99 persons out of a too favourable to the Or-
ders of Council. This was a pretty large allow.
once ; hut he believed it was not possible, wider
present circumstances, that the majority of the
Meeting could be otherwise than six to five in op.
position to such monstrous proposition. At hat
had induced many of them to vote against the Pe.
titian • was, that the Orders in Council were so
very foolish, that they were impracticable, and the
present circumstances of the country were so mi.
ously dangerous, that it was improper to interfere
with those who managed them.
Mr. Wurraaeao said, that he too was into-
niohed to hear the various opinions of the worthy
Aldermen. and particularly of one who acktios.
lodged he did not attend it (Alderman Curtis; ;
the more especially, when he discovered no tits:es.
sity for their delivering much opinions, as the Peti-
tion did not purport to proceed from any pasticuler
meeting. but merely to be the petition of those who
signed it. liu discredit should be thrown upon
the Petition itself, although they, in their anxiety
for the Kings present Ministers, chose thus to
asperse it. 'Where was the necessity fur the
worthy Aldermen near him (Shaw) iuformine the
House what he thought was the general sense of
the country, by saying that 99 out of too union.
duals acre in favour of the present Ministers':—
The word 4. present Ministers," he had no doubt
was always in the month of that worthy Alderman,
as it would suit his purpose at any time wliatelrr.
He sincerely hoped that every Minister would con-
tinue to partake of his (Mr. Shaw's) bounty, as he
had been accustomed so liberally to bestow
Notwithstanding these discordant sentiments, he
trusted the motion now made would open the decir
of this House to a just understanding of the coil-
sequences of their own measures.
. The Cnsitrettoit of the EXCHEQUER said, he
was not inclined to object to the Petition, as heeled
DO wish to prolong the debate. It was, however,
iii his opiition, an important point, that this Home
should know the Petition was not the unanimous
Petition of the meeting that hud been celled to-
gether. fie molly ..thonsht that the worthy Alder-
man (Shaw) had vatiolketorily accovntesl for the
support which lie gave to Ministers, when be was
Chic f Magistrate of the City of London.
Mr. Goanoo Paid, that one was net at all sin-
prised at the opinions that had been given as to
the majority of the meeting, for be really believed
there were unin,v inwricanCitintens amongst them,
who delivered their sentiments and voted ups, that
occasion, lu his manioo, there was a majority of
two to one spigot. the Petition. and therriMe it
could not be consishireitna. the Petition of the
great bode of the merchants trading to America.
Mr. Mei.ttsm spoke as if the sense of the majo-
ritc was against the Petition.
Sir ARTHUR En:GOTT thought the West ludis
Merchants had us womb occasion to deprecate the
Orders of Council us the American Merchants, lust
were therefore fully justified in attending the
meeting and giving their opinions.
Sir ROBERT EELa spoke unfavourably of the
Petition, and saistahe complaints rho made by
manufacturers wens nut owing to the Orde-rs iu
Council, but had their origin in the want of Wes..
sum in the late Administration. . . .

Mr. Rose had n objection to the Petition
lying upon the Table. He rose particularly to al-
lude to the distresses of the manufacturers, which
he deplored as much as ally max, but he couteoded
that they were not owing to the Orders in Couisil,
but the measures preliioualy taken.
Sir Joan NEWPORT sad, that what the menu-
recturers asserted was, that those orders went to
cotifirm their'distresses, sod lurks them irrtmedi-
aLik. No other object could be in "the view of
Ministers in bringing forward this Bill as a Duty
Bill, 'accept to shut out those who had reason to
complain of these Orders, from redress of their
grievances, and the House from that information
which it was competent to have before them. The
Hight Honourable Gentleman o?posite (the Chao-
(tenor of the Excletiner; had given up the duty
upon the exportation of salt, merely on account of
r the responsil;dity that would attach to him indiii-
dually. and he was sorry to see that in sommercial
business that Right lion. Gentleman did not ador
thlitreeper means of information.
Cimino:um' Of the ETC/DAVIS woe' enter-
ing into an explauation of his motives in withdraw. -
ing tile duty upon the exportation of salt, when 1w
is miscalled to order by
MP. WHITBREAD, who objected to the intro-
duction of explanations foreign from the subject.
The Srlgsolgo decided. that such a practice was
competent, where the debate had pres windy guile
out of the regular order.
The CHAP CELLOR of the EILERVICER consented
to withhold any explanation upon that subject till a
future occasion, in order not to protract the debate.
The question a ns then put, the Petition ordered
to be laid upon the table. and to be taken into
consideration to-morrow.
General Gsseoenx then presented arectified
Petition from Liverpool, to the same effect as for-
merly, which was read by the Clerk. and ordered
to be laid upon the table.
Some discussion then ensued as to the fixings day
for taking this Petition into consideration. dutie:
which it was agreed. by General (hiecr'ipe. to
ailt Thursday next for hearing Counsel.
This tweiwexal 11,14 objected to by Mr. Snail' A lt•
Mr. W nitwit-an. Null )Ir. Cars.vr. who um
the necessity of eerwilition. no accouut of the 4
den in (*coined llitt being. to Le read a third time
and passed, this d. j.

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