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CHARGE AGAINST MR. QUIN.

MINU7'ES OF EVIDENCE,

TAKEN AT THB BAK OF Tllli 110L04: 01' COMBOS!,
On the Petition of TIMM AS W 11.1.1 A. M Gli A OY, P.lll
in ih.• mistier of Compla of ntnn.t the honourable
11 DOA Nf 11' NDHA NI t4CII, a Member, fur
tkeatl. of Privilege.

Joric, 11 die Wadi!, 1819.
riin.w Smyth, Era (01..1 in and examiner!.
Wirt* is your name w Smyth.
Are you a banister at the 1.1.11 I.si
How loaG hare poi been u bideit,nr!--Sniee the year
1$03; siateenjears.
Do you know the petitioner, Thomas William firmly ?-
1 do
Du von know the Nnnuoralde lYyr.lhasi Quin ,--1
Did von in the month of W istcaorr tail receive any in.
atrisetiiiss, ur any communication by let!. r, reptesting yi i
to call twit the Honourable Wyndham Qom, on your re.
turn (rout irlfners referred lo a proper.)-1
rather Itty.k the letter I recetaril was siatesk.to VOL
Vtnclester do yam refer to ?-q MI& fluni Tlsomts
Gimly, Ihr tither of the petilinscr.
H ,re you Rol that letter in 'inn prniscsuiun now '-1 have
P Zbral Tao Irly II letters firms Mr. Grady, and l d.. in.t nu ine
&duly know in which letter that paP•age was C4•11,31114..1,
ur-
questing one to call on Mr Quin; I know I feTviVrtl a 11.1Ier
to that effect, aril I have no doubt ills here.
The letter to which you allude, was desiriiir yin' to call
se some person; noon when did that letter desire you to
call?—Upon Mr. Wyuttl.ans Quin.
DO you call on Mr W%iiillsans Quin
At • it tinie?—l atllyd UP Mr. Wyndham Quin on the

tlat u( September last.
Slate sated passed en couversalion whin yon called on Mr.
Wyndham Quin?-1 told Mr. Qtnw that I called by the desire
of Mr. Thom,* Grady she father, and also by the ii sire of Mr.
Thornier Grady the too, 11l kuuw from him what were his in-
training reametiag the disposal in the office of clerk of She
peace for the county of Limerick, as I a islied to report to
those Is n, a bat were Mr. Quite,. latent Mire, that they might
set aecintlingly. Mr. (loin told me, that lie bad already made
tip his mind upon the subject, es Mitred he hail previously
informed me by letter, that he was determined to give the
office to Mr. Richard Smith. 1 allieleil to what Mr. Grady
the son, erruceived to he au engagement or promise on the
part of Mr. Quite, nut to disturb him; and I refreshed his
lavesury, by referring to various conversation% and crouton.
nicatiosis, that I was instructed bad passed between Mr.
Quite and the son; the communications I particularly al-
luded to were throw : " On one occasiou you must be aware,
Mr. Quin, when the yoaug man the AOll applied 10 yon to
know if you meant to take this of front lOin, you said
you had much rather give him an office than take tone from
him ; nn iinather ocension he wrote In you, telling you that
he beard very uripleimant repot ts rev. et ier his hieing ills.
missed form .his office." His answer 1 then Jeered Mr
Quin. I had io my perwssiou that :mower; I have nut
now ;it p Ili' pussessiou of the petitioner therm ; but
that letter desired him to tom a deaf ear to the idle reports
of Limerick. There the ni itti re rested precisely as they
were before. Mr. Qoria admitted these conversations, but
said they did not alumna to a promise; and he then
informed ow, which I heard for the first time, that he
had on one of thine occasions also tuft! Mr. Grady
the tun, when he asked him, did he menu to turn lion
out of his office; he replied, " opoti my bwiraur, Grady,
1 should he very carry t.. do any such thing;" and
lee added, 16 mere you,' Mr. Smyth, lam now very sorry
ISI eh. it. 1011 I must do it :" hut, says he, when I appaiiit
Mr. Smith, 4 shall appoint him wily during pleasure ; I have
taken She opinion uf counsel. and 1 am lammed I have a
right erato appoint him; and my object in SO appoinbeg him
is no weer, to Mr. Thoinas William Grady the sum of twit
hundred pound% a year nut of the office." The re was then
• pause Ca son , Mr. Own then added, ti but I ex-
pert in wen', that Mr Grady and his family should remain
politically withal with me ill the (manly of Limerick:* I
asked him, did he mean by politically united to him, that
they should support him with their fret holders at the oder--
livers? lie acid, " Yes." I eapriased some diaapprolorlion,
not I believe by words, bat by a mut ion of my head, end Mr.
Quin there SSW, " I an, sure you must be saliatied that the
propusititia I 1114:c is reasonable." 1 said, " M.. Quin,
mime nut lvs 0 1,, at toe the matter with you, but merely to
know your ink...mune, nod to report them to the father and
son." Mr. slain added, "Vi s; but I should he very much
pleased to satisfy you, as to the rtaaunableures of the pro.
posittuti:* 1 9n.hled assent. Mr. Quilts then prncia...
" You know," says he, " that the office is worth only
4001. a year; for ileit was the suns that Mr. Thorned %Wit-
ham G. oily received from his deputy; slid if I give him 2001.
a year, 1 ahould expect a quid pro quo ; 1 should expect
sunactletog is mines!. Yuu are &Aare," says lob " I em
sure, that that is all the Weimar the office of Credos Ru-
tulurtios,,l have Web, obtained, has." I asked loin then,
bow fir he meant to carry his proposition; " becauee," says
1, " Mt. Quin, you taint be aware that yow f oiler Lord
Wont Earle is rather advanced iu years, and I believe his
health is out very good; there is, therefore, a probability of
your bring caller, to the Upper House; do )011
mraur nit
111111 rase, that the. family should support any caudulate tot
the county sal lateweitk, whom you choose to supped !."
" Certainly." I then said, " Mr. Quin, you must be
aware that there already has been a great deal at tnia.
andetatandill h tweels you, cad the different ger:Or-own
who have conituarnicated with you upon this ionOret Ir. tunes
and it *wild he highly satisfactory to me, to avoid any mie.
conception 1/1:1014e11 tia, that the aubstauce of our cuove, sa.
..hosild lie resliszrd to writing." He said, lie was per-
frody starlet; awl Joe 1001011 about the room, and there
was no ariiissa apparatus in it. 1 hire beg leave Instate,
that thiccoavermt• took place at Mr. Caitlin& country
hens', Nimes Sro OS three miles from Dublin. !Or. Slain
tbiat ..rut, "I shall be iu Dublin to-eituriow, at three o'clock,
and if you will be an gaud as to coolant it lu writing, obeli
you go home, I shall call urine you theta, and look over it
with pia." 1 sue MA aware thin any tleirir, further took
place on that occasion. I beg leave here just to remark,
that, never ihnikang I should be called upon in this public
meaner to give au account of this trausactiou, I took no
notes •hateuever of any thing that occur. ed, ....r any, except
the unsettle, abide 1 shell afterwards produce; our
_kept any copy of any leiter 1 have wiiueu upon the subject;
our hare I, ever educe I pitted with my letters, that is, die.
„patched !beau, ever seta ahem; slur hoe 1 ever had any
wawa of I:wren-ex their cuutenis.
you write to Mr. candy senior, and Mr. Grady ju-
nior, ate account of the couversation which you have now
detailed, and bow soon afterwards?-.,1 wrote, on tier
to Mr. Thomas Grady, and 1 believe, on the same day, ur
Inc day after, to Mr. Thulium Gaily the petitioner,
giving an account of lin Caniveraation that took place be-
tween we and Mr. guile.
Are thus, the letters to which you refer, a, hieing been
written to the father 31. d the call'—(Tau ieffera were sheet,'
4 Ike r. the letter I *ride to Ilse father on
the 21.1, and 1111114 1112 I. tie I ovule, uu the sauce day, to
the roil; they are both in icy hard-writ hag.
Thy winters was direetid to withdraw.
It was must{!, that these letters be read in evidence, which,
after some 1101(TV:ilia, war 5, ttlutlcetwil.
The witness was eig au called in.
11'hi is .1,1 yr I see Mr. On again, where, and ill whore
ranniatiry ?—I lAN leave 10 I eniark, M r in had tel me, lie
111101.1111 be with me the mat d ty at {Eire ti i diothi ; Abe tiext
&IS. MI Ihe TV of Sem ember, hr called upon me, at r kern
k, at my learacomeumpanied by !lli. G.rold, a gentle.
matt 101 I lie Irish bar.
Slate *hat parsed al that second interview ?-af mate-

:•.90N; TUESDAY,

23, 1819.

diately on Mr. Quitrt eenniet into weer,he Raked the,
0 met's
la
:hinds, Bare fedured our 1411111 lien tellirillia I
rephert, 0 No. I have nut; I did ix expect yes brie till
dime o'clock, and I A.A. ••, "r 1 " 41'51 "Pifil twilit la," eight
and this morning; but as you are her now, if you will he
migrant as to vii down, we will do it liiintolistrly;" and Mr.
Quin replied, that he W. 4.1 lhfll • !Vila deal harried, as
he was going to the Lord Lientenanei anthem., and wished
to he there early; " hut," says he," pet haps you have no
til, ction is recite the conversation al the presence of Mr.
Gould, whom, I think it right to toll you, I have hrought
Mere to he present at it ?" I said, " I have not the least ob-
jection, %Ir. (lain; however, it tray ',rim] of it is to thapesise
with redischig it to writitig. I protest altogether against it."
Mr. Quin said, `` Oh, re' tautly sot." I then recited
the COVlVerliAlloll, as far as my memory serves no•. pia cisety
as I have given it to this H1)11 11i. 11r. Qom cod, 0 that la
perfecily correct, There was a good deal of usher desul-
tory conversation, hat I am not *ewe of any thing ionise-
dial, 'y relating to dna matter taking place at that period of
the day. linisedirtely afire Mr. Quin left my boos, I corn.
milted to paper the substalice of the conversation which I
hail joist then recited; I eschew," it in a letter to I.:r Ititin,
and scut my servant to Mr. Gioild'a tootle, Merrioiti-quare;
and its my tinge I requested Mr.
.. Quin would bring it with
him at hi* rellsmai al times OerreY, that we might tt ii eon
sokr of it : accordingly at abort three, or between ilist
Anil four it'alttek, %Ir. Quin returned accompanied also by
the. Guild, and immediately on his coming tulip my room,
he haiWeil me this paper open in this manner, anyitig—
" Smyth, that is perfectly correct; hot," says lie." I think one
sentence in it 'might be ahered." I liegzed leave to know
what it was, and be pointed my attention to these woids—
the sentence (MIS thilli, ° hilt that Mr. Thomas William
Grady he at perfect liberty at any lime to relinquish the
2001. a year, and dispose of his interest as he pleases,' the
alteration whirl, Mr. Quilt suggested was this, " and as
partite hie political interest from Sir. 4• • 'a." I told him I
thought the sense still remained the same, and the alters
was so trillimg, there cont.! be tor objection to it ; and I
handed Mr. QM,. a pen. and begged be wooed make the al-
teration. `• I'l•t," says he," as it is all in your Imnd-witting,
I think you had Items make it." I accordingly made the el.
teration as it now stands; and haviog dune so, I opened it
and handed it to St. QIIIII again, saying " you can have now
Ho objection to signing it ?" Itlr Quin did not make any
reply; hrfure he could indeed make one, Mr. Goold inter-
posed, and said, " I think it right to app. tae you. that I
have advised Mr. Quit, not to sign that paper, for you mast
see that it contains something relating to the (balms.' of
the profits of au office c ~,,,, erteil with the administration
of justice, which I think it right a 41.'111111'r 91' Parliament
should not sign: Nit," says be, " I am ready al any time
to come forward and testify that Mr. Quilts, in my presence,
arltnowledged it to he correct ;" with that declaration
I remain satisfied. There was lane part I omitted, which I
now recollect : At Mr. Quin's first interview with me to the
morning of the 22.1 ut•Sepiember, he proposed, that a part
of his proposition,shosild be withdrawn, trintely. that Mr.
Thomas Wallies's Grady and his family, should not he called
upon to vale fur any person that he supported, at the time
tab.., hr himself was lint a candidate; I objected to this,
and said I thought it better that his intent' should be
fully discusmil; for he proposed to let that part remain for
future consideration; however as he expressed a wish to
hare it withdrawn. I did so accordingly; and iii the minute
I drew iip. it us not inserted. Ido nit recollect at present
that any iiii:,z,
ter, worn d on that day.
It was moved, that the paper referred to by the witness
he now hrotellit iiii.
.lfr tidsylit J—Before I give it up, I beg to remark, there
is part at the bottom of the mannd page*, which I added
after Sir. Quin 14, the rimin.
The wittiest delivered ill the paper.—lt was read accur.l-
-
" The following is the substance of a conversation which
took plafr at an narrate. between Sir. Quito and Mr. Ca-
rew Smyth, on the 21st September, IRIS
" Mr fairy/ Smyth mated, that as the friend of Mr. Thies.
W Grady, he waited Oil Mr. Q lin, to know his detsr 00000 13-
lieu as to the disposal of the other of clerk of the peace of
the county of Lnierick.
" Mr. Quin staled, that lie had determined nn appointing
Mr Richard Smyth to that office daring pleasure, upon an
express understanding that lir. Thomas W. Grady, waa to
receive 2001. out of the profits of the office, and that nn
any failure ur want of due pimetuality on the part of %Ir.
Richard Smyth, tit 'saying this yearly sum to Sir. Thomas
W. Grady, that Mr. R. Smyth should be dismissed from the
office.
" llr.Quin further stated, that he expected that Mr. Thos.
W. Grady should continue polttically ei 1111 l ectial with him
in the county of Limerick, so 10-g as he continued to re-
reim the sum of 2001. a year 11111 of the office; hut that Mr.
Thos. W. Grady was at perfect liberty at Ray time to relin-
quish the 2601. a year, and separate his political totereit from

" Mr Casey Smyth stated, that he should immediately
communicate the above to M.. Thos. W. Grady, 'et he
should ut time same lime Whine not it. Com., 10 any sieniaion
lan he hail consulted with his father, but should request of
him to rump to a determination its in accepting of or reject-
ing the above arrangement as ,piwohly as possible, after be-
ing made acquainted with his father's sentiments; whirls de-
tesmination should be communicated to Mr. Quit. by Mr.
Carew Smyth."
• I inclosed this statement to %fr. Quin on the 22t1 Sept.
1818, for his perusal; he hronght it It. nie on the same dar,
and said, in the presence of Mr. Gould, that it u as perfectly
correct, but thought one sentence might be altered, accord-
ii/f as it now appears. I proposed having a duplicate made,
but he said there was No necessity, and for certain reasons
then expressed to me, he slethoed signing it.
CARER' SMYTH."
Hail you any further communication with Mr. Wyndham
Quilt ur Mr Gould, subsrqueutly to that minute, upon the
same stibjt et had nut with Mr. Wyndham Quit.; I had
with Mr. Gould.
Ito what matter was that cumintinication ?—On looking
over that 111011111 e, I found I bail mole uue mistake or tositu-
siwo ; fur Mr. Quin had told ine, that he would make the ar-
rangement with the clerk of the peace far the tune being,
and I found, that in that minute I hail eurilititil it to Mr.
Itichai it ';myth; I therefoore thought it I idlit (1/ bare that
matter fully nerertainett, and I wrote to Mr. Gould a letter,
the copy of which I now bola in my hand.
The witness read The letter, dated 23t1 septcniber•l6lB, as

(A Copy.)
46, Baggot.street, Sep 23, 1818.
" My dear Gonid—On reading over this mu ruing the
paper which Mr. returned to 1144. yesterday, 1 find that
1 hare mole a tratig umisaiuu, which, ex reljerri caittela I
think it right should he early rectified, viz. That the event
of Mr. Richard Smyth's removal Goon office, either by death
or otherwise, 4110111.1 make an dill'ercnce with respect to Mr.
Grady, but that Mr. Qaiii ,woul.l make the same arrange.
meat with his successor, an as to secure the payment of the
EON. a year during Mr. Quin's Loptiiiiimice in the oQire of
Chat. Rut. if Mr. Grady chine to att:w.'e it on the terms

apecilied.
It is obvious to you, why I address this to you rather
tilos to Mr. Quin ; nerd I request the favour of nt mower.
I h:ive written, as Mr. (Iwo drains!, both to 'fun; Grady
and his sun, and hive urged the former to In tote have 3,tt
answer wills all expeilitiusi, wLiclt I.shall communicate with
uut steins..
I shall leave lowa to.morrow for • few days. My address
will be Lismistko, Dim.bailebliii, where I shall 'halals yu,a
to direct your atiewer.—B.:l4 ee ale your.. moatS N frilly,
CAREW IYTIL"

Dill you receive any au:ar+•r from ltr Gould to that la
ter slid; I bare It uuw iu my 'laud.