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-riblic welfare and the benefit of the country, he
would be one of the last persons to interfere in the
exercise of that right. But in the case before them
*the malignity was so evident, the attack so un-
-provoked and wholly without excuse, having no pe-
eulisr difficulties, such as belonged to the task of re-
portino their proceedings, to plead in extenuation of
-the libel, not the slightest foundation being assumed
for-the itmertions contained in the hal; and firally,
the House having one person in their knowledge who,
Ishetlier truly or not, undertook to avow himself as
the author of such • libel, it Would be highly im-
proper to let him escape without feeling the punish-
ment which he had incerred. He had never read a
'megrim', of the newspaper in question, and was
vire ignoram, until tufermed ly his Hon. Friends,
that there was any publication devoted to such
t.lase and malignant purposes. But here it
she bar they locoed, a man of the name of
Cooper. acknowledging to be the author of
es fal-e and atrecions a as could be published,
which was (teetered at the same time to be a gross
preach of privilege. He would therefore move that
Henry .Fox Cooper he committed to Newgate ;
nliur which he would submit a snailsr motion on
lOW of the printer. He would have hesitated
About sending the printer to Newgate, but for the
base equivocation of his evidence, which deprived
I iqt or claim MI their mercy. As to the two
fishers, though their evidence hid dote little twilit
4* their characters, he would not propose to extend
the same punishment to them. • Ile looped the
!loose would not attend to the r.cor iiiii endatimis of
:lento-my mode by his Hon. Fitted, but would
sup-
port N.rhr dignity by doing needled justice. lie
rrijav,J, Brit, that Ileury Fox Cooper has been
osoll of a gross breath of the privileges of this
I lyst•.
5/r. Ilstiers suggested that, as that point was
eirt;aily determined open, the it-solution would tun
iftcrier thus—
That ll.ory Fox Cooper hieing 'sawed himself to he
eutitor ref the Said iyaragrivh, bas been guilty of a gross
4reait. of the !privileges oh the [louse, sod that be Le (*en b-
its comraille‘i to Newitte."
Sir W. Da CRFSPIGNY *Ad a few words in re.
vreherisimo of this atrocious system of hidden ca.
'lumniltors, who devoted themselves to stiletto chs-
!ricters, but whose serreii, be trusted, would be
.t,0711 thrown down, owl their deformities exhibited
to the public gaze vial
I'.ord NUGENT thought the Noble Marquis was
Wttitled to the Clanks of the House, for giving
'Wean an opportunity of discussing the question in
'.rdsliper and more equable tone of feeling thin they
. coo d loose et.joyed last (vetoing. Ile could not
t• Aree to the motion of Hon. Friend. Ile could
• to-cri,onse an ainemlnient. Ile could not agree that
the House woulf be left in any dilemma by the
Vontobinment of the motion of the Hon. Member
ter Shresibury. lie would bring to their recut-
"llctfuns. a mean which bad been adopted in a me-
retil by which Ilouse extricated itself from
:the difEcolty now supposed to exist. It was a
breads cf privilege of a character far more gross
,rid etrrageous than the one before them. It
lied been' brought forward by his flight Ho-
uottrable Friend, tile Member for IVaterford.
The libel was an Arldres (ruin the Presbytery of
Langholus, and seas published in the Gazette. It
•coillaineol'a dhoti iovitotion to his Majesty to in-
teifere with floe fret-alum of speech, amid the privi-
lzges of that House. fleeted upon, it would have
placed his Arsiesty in a situation with respect. to
that House and the country such as none of his
.siredecessoraince Charles 1. hail stood in. lio this
attack, was to much more gross than the
'cnr cumPlaiited of, a motion was wade to bring the
psttierii fo the bar of the House. This was mega-
frveA:liij the other side, and an apology, with a suits-
lblr'Exptrietion, was nitro weeds made tor the Noble
Lord on behalf of the Secretary of State, who
11:rd suffered it to appear in the Gazette. Their
preteot coyht4 was now obvious. The I louse had
nithe former case dangerously compromised its own
kivileges; bet having done so, they could not pats
ortr'a case io Much more fl.ogitions, and now visit
stth such ungracious and ungrateful severity this
Troop of !poor, prevaricating, contemptible, lying
• printers—(Hear)—who were but the tools of souse
loathsome, *retched assassins, villainous enough to
eit'do mischief, but wanting the euurge to own it.
‘-(i-lear.)—fie begged leave to inove as an
orifertdment;thst hiertry Fox Cooper be called to
the'lnor, reprimanded by the Speaker, and dis-
Voikged.
The Marquis t f LONDONDIRRY had taken leave
gt the question, but he was anxious to avoid auy
thiog which avoid' be construed from his conduct as
tending took, that be was diwooril in soy degree
to tseglect the claitos of it/ince, or that be did not
Teel the necessity of maintaining; on all occasions
the character of our Courts of Justice, and their
right todetermine the critnivality, and punishments
orthose'who had iu any way incurred the wholesome
rigour of the laws. His only objection to sending
this case to a Court of Justice was, that the indi-
sliders" might not suffer from the confession which
'rhad heireeetracted from him before the House, and
'lliriughUat'the' less alive to the gross nature of the
offence, end to what the defence of the poiriltig,.a
of the House required, he felt also that the toil
of 'ttieit initeiry being answered, they would best
consult their own honour end dignity by tempering
Justice with mercy in the punishment. He had no
wish as to the course to be pursued, but that they
should be seen to hold a hood of even justice
tepards a'l parties. lie did. lament and regret that
the same feeling of just and loud intlignation.inul
rot been expressed ou other occasions, thau when the
mischief complained of was confined to the Hort.
Gentlemeo opposite and their friends. He lamented
that au Hon. mil Learned Gentleman opposite, whose
opiate tuna Wrir stress him those Mate sentiments
ofjustice 'which belong to his profession. should
hale' been led to castaspersams and
oil auk wisp and unnsined authors.
(dew, hear, from the Opposition beackesj—to
tioeever, the speculuouus of the world at-
talhed the responsibility of the objeciiomible writ.
trigs(l-fear, hear. /rum :bah,sido.)—Tlie
stud Le:trued Gentlemso nowt forgive him fur say-
ing;aati go must the /ion. General:who spoke be-
fore bigh.:that their conduct bad nut been peofectly
conaisteot`with thet.ferling of justice »hid) they liail
eicls"ressert. No one lied a stranger feeling for the
deTence and preservation of the virtues of English
women and the hoarier of the men than himself;
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more religiously guartled. No one could be less
disposed to tolerate the offence committed on the
privileges of the Douse than himself. Ile had. read
the journal which consented it, if that were any
offences having beets led thereto by the common
curiosity qf, esuetlitittsrei He admitted that there
were no eiteamstances of palliation in the offence ;
but he would have been happy if the. loud burst..
of indignation which followed it had been on any
occasion awakened by the torrents of libels which
had been poured forth on other quarters, which
had assailed the highest and most respected cha-
racters in the State, and s;pared nothing in its fury
of calumny among all the institutions of the coun-
try. That would have been a feeling worthy of
thellritish Parliament, and becoming that sense
of honour which ought to distinguish them; but
Rik could not respect that sense of justice, and
thosegleelings of isulignation, which was only to
be.'asiskriied by attacks on those who profess-
ed them, or their political friends, while such
offences abonnded in other quarters. A libel
which had appeared two years ago in the Times,
and which attributed JO a Right Honourable
friend of his a divirolition to ridicule the sufferings
qj bra fellow-err:Ames, strained an attack as fla-
gitious and plinfed to his Right Hon. Friend av
tistol-thiug which could he timid to arise out of the
ow before the House. If lie bad on that
neca-
t witnessed any 'lung like the glow of indigna-
tion which now prevailed, he would not have com-
plained of the speeches' which ball been made. and
Ilse feelings whit-li hail been manifested. Ilia Lord-
ship proceeded to recommend that there should he
Ituthinie of party feeling apparent to their conduct,
end that it should riot be held out to the public
that there was inure seeitrity in attacking one side
than the *slier. Ile thought that the punishment
if • reprimand was trio Milt°, aril to Pend the of-
fenders to Nevrgase would hr too strong a mea-
sure of puoislimeet. So little toleration hail
lie, however, for (-avec of this kied, dist were it
not fur shot he had sten on the eccosion to
which lie had alluded, lie would Irate had no
hesitation in agreeing to Bit! commitment of
those virile.. But cenceivieg that the ease of
the Times newspaper was much more gross
than the present use, he could not think it ad-
visable to give the latter a severer punishinesit.
Ile would therefore more, as bad been done in the
furmer case, that the panties hi- taken into custody
by the Serjemit at Arius. Ile thought that at least
they ought to be kept in custody for one night.
The Clerk then read Gum the Journals tire reso-
lution which the House had crime to on this case of
John Payne Collyer, charged with misrepiesentiug
the procerdiugs of the Heusi.
Sir J. MA( I ileaosu olreert rah, that the paragraph
complamed of did not Nippur in the Journals.
Liird NUGENT t-xplainetl.
Mr. SCAMATT torrid have bad no wisb to trouble
thr attention of the House further, but for the dat-
ing observariniia of the speech of the Noble Lord.
If any party feeling had tate', manifested, surely it
was to be found only in that speech. Never had
his own mind been less under the influence of party
feeling than while this case had been under discus.
siori. He thought that the I leuse was unaainlotts
iu its opinion of the Intel ha fore them. He did not
kinky', nor was lie in the least aware what libels they
could be, the camidenenciug t f whielt formed such
a general etymon our sic gentlemen on his side of the
I lunge. For his own pint, he had been strangely miss
understood. Ile bud stated that, having heard out sr
doors the scandalous paragraphs of the paper in ques-
tion netriinveil to Members of that [louse, he
thanked his non. friend for listing atria-dot! ;mop-
port unity of to pletely refuting an imputation
which, room the first, he hail never believed. If that
conveyed too imputation to soy 51emlier of the
Honer, or it' it displayed the least time of party
feeling, he was ready to coacsa that lie did not
know the import of his own language.. He might
have been mishiken in his itorlerstandinte, of what he
had witted, but party feeling brad trot influenced;
if there hod been any petty feeling displayed, it
sees by the Noble Lou•l ; for his own piet he teed as
few libels as any hotly ; lie lied not time for such
reading. Rut it seemed clear ro.,ogit to I hat
party feeling could have nnehitni. to do with libels
on titivate character. Ile could norko all due al-
lowancei for the •fleets of pari y feeling in public
writers. Ile would suffer them to make almost
any comments thry pleased oil the public conduct
and opitnions of public elisraeteis, fur the sake of
serving their patine., to whatever side they might
belong; but this toleration could not he extended
to calumnious and false attacks on character.
Though he did not read loamy libels, he hail read
the journal which cold:tilled this one, and as the
Noble Margnisadmitted that lie had read it, lie would
remind the Noble Lord of another paragraph in that
Paper, in which the writer hoisted of lila belmiging
to rather nu exalted rank in society. As he said
before, he did notlielieve it ; he could cot believe
that any gentle-Mae) would write such paragraphs.
If, indeed, it acre possible to imegine tine ruse of
a man who belonged w is superior rank, with which
he was engaged to invade the-liberty of the press
by a very coarse arid disgusting abuse of it, the
plan could not be mach triter pursued than
through true means edninerl by this Journal.
It was well known that the •t.use of a ph% '-
lege head the itiodeeate to be less careful of its
preservation. lii the Augustan empire libels were
constituted high war 1111 l !mellow of the satires
published hy one Cussium Severus agamst the illus-
trious women of Rome, Tinereory was in MMus.
le Loped no such effete would be produced t iiher
by this or any other Joornsl. As to the case of The
Times he knew nothieg of it, liecanse lie was not
in the Hutto,- ut the time ; lost he understood it to
be the clew of a reporter liaviiie, tepresented one
Member as using expressions to another which were
not attend in the speech so relented. If that case
run parallel a th the present, it was for the House
to judge ; but us no the libel before them he could
conceive nothilig more atrocious; it smelt of blood.
If the individual who wrote it desigiwd to push
matters to those extremities which he scented to
suppose were nannie's', if his design were to ex-
cite a breach of the pence, Ire timid riot have
taken a more duet t contsw. Shouid the House
sutler its hie-misers to In goaded in this manner
with impunity, let it never 'indict:le its privileges
What libels (let the Noble Lord declare
them) had been protected or winked at by hum and
his lion. Friends, of the atrocious and eauguinary
character of the our in qucsttou ? He dtd nut be.

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lieve that there could be any mentioned. Certain
he was that the public would patronise those papers
which were the freest from libels on private charac-
ters. The reason why the chief London newspa-
pers flourished as they did was, because they were
almost eotifely free [tom private libels.
The Marquis of LONDONDERMY explained,—
He congratulated himself and the House that his
warmth should have drawn ouch au explicit Milli
satisfactory explanation from the Hou. and Loomed
Member- lie wee restly to avow that he had been
under the delusion that the flou. 'and Learned
Gentleman bail in his speech intimated the proba-
bility of persons engaged either its the councils
of his Majesty or those of the nation being con-
cerned in, or giving their countenance to, these
libel.. Now certainly the evidence at the bar was
not calculated to remove such an insinuation. He
was, therefore, the more highly gratified at the
conduct of the Hon. and Learned Gentlema❑ in
willing it away. His chief object in speaking had
been to secure the conduct of the House from the
imputation of partiality. Ile could not allow any
distinction to be taken between this and the for-
mer libel to ovine') lie bad referrrd the [louse
They both haul a tendency to caner ttie'elfuseuun of
blood. In the former instance there were words
put into the month of one Member which roused
an explanation to be solicit by ono' her Member.
Sir R. FEacvson said. that the Nohle Lori haul
imputed motives to him which he could have mu,.
right to impute. Where he got big nmnisctei,co
from, as to the feelings and motives of other., he
(Sir It. Ferguson) knew lint, lint the Noble Lord
would do better to look to his own inntives. II he
(Sir N. Ferguson) felt indignation, it was, at least,
all I et indignation, at the bit.... nod cowardly
attack, made on the character or English women.
For his own part he carrel very little for political
Ithel•, and was always unwilling to take any notice
I of them.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY again explained.
Ile only wished that the same Indignation had been
exprersed by the gallant General and his friends,
and thilt they had hikes) notice of other libels no
less gross end offensive than the one before them.
—(Cries rf " Name, name," from the (Ippositimt
side.)—
Mr C. W. WYNN thotylit that the case (looted
in favour of lenient pithis!iineid by the Noble
Marquis, MAI the very worst and weakest which
could be referred to. He thought that the leniency
of the pouishment of former cases had caused
them to become common.—(We under-food the
Honourable Gentleman to complain of the re-
minks which had been published daily nit the
examination of witnesses in the Queen's case, who
were entitled to protection, not fleeing berm
properly punished.]—As to the case anitilett to L.
the Noble Marquis, he thought that tie-re was never
a more flagitious libel pot-dished. Thew appeared
to have beim no foundation for the tili.:repre,.entu-
non. He had agreed to the resolutioa for punish-
ment in that case, because lie thought it impossi-
ble fur the writer to have sn mistaken the sense of
that which lie was reporting. Bet yet lie remem-
bered several 110 n. Mendlers had acknowledged
that they participated in the sane mieconception as
to the meaumg of the words imputed to the 11tn-
ber for Aberdeen. This had led to the initiwrtion
of the puinahment, Which it was his firm belief
had encouraged the repetition of such offences.—
( Heur, hear, hear.)—Soate might think that hr
had too much affection for precedents ; but if
the argument now offered for a lenient sentence,
founded oil one precedent, should be confirmed by
a second, punishment would become hopeless. Nu
Gentle:lieu would take the trouble to call the at-
trillion of the House to any such case, Ile felt it ne-
cersary to apply au imioeibute check to libels on that
House. It was perfectly impossible for the persons
who repeatetl there procerchiles to avoid enlist/kir..
having so many diaadvinitoges to cope with in
the fulfiinirut of their ditty; but it was quite
possible to avoid wilful, and malicious, and
libellous iniarepresentalions. '('his was not the first
complaiut of the kind which hail been made in the
current Seaaimi. He wished, however, to confine
the punishment to the case immediately before the
house, and not apply it to any general had Con-
duct. Thin appeared to be a most unmitigated
offence. lie was convioced that if' the House fol-
haled up the erroneous precedent of leniency 'toilet-
etl out to them, the diguity of the House, the chit-
teeter of its Nlembers, snit the liberties of the
country, which wet e interested in the protection of
the privileges of the House, would all suffer, and
that most fatally.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY again expleintal.
Mr. WARD thought it dangerous for mit under-
standing to get abroad, that it was safer to attack
out' side thee, the other of that House. Ile had as
much, but no greater respect for the defence of
the character of the Hoy. Member (Mr. G. lleimett),
as lie had for that of the Right Hun. Member for
Liverpool, who had been libelled on the runner
occesimi. Ile had recurred to the case of the
Times, and hail extracted the following words
front the passage then complained of :—[Here
the lion. Member read the passage iu the re-
port of Mr. [lume'. speech, which had been pu-
Malted by the house.]—He thought that a more
lake and scandalous attack than the prevent. In
the case before the House the attack was direct
end pointed, and a man of honour had the means
iii his hand of immediately redressing himself ; but
un 'attack on the whole life and conduct of a man
was not so easily to be *answered—and if he were
called oil to strike a balance, he thought the pre-
sent libel the least painful to the injured p:trty.—
I honour and justice the House ought to take the
milder course in punishing the present offence.
Lord Jolts Russeaf. said, that in respect to the
mode of puffishinent to be adopted, he would not
stop to give any opinion. As to questions of tnivi-
lege, he was one of those who thought that the least
punishment was in all cases the best. As to the
former libel, certain it was that the Right Honour-
able Gentleman mentioned in it had used the words
" severed and ruptured Ogden," and those word.
had been followed by laughter. The public
had got an understanding from that circumstance
(he did not say that the appreheneinii was a just
our) that the Right Honourable Gentleman was ad-
dicited to ridiculing the people's sufferings. The
writer had been deluded by the general misunder-
standing into a mistake us to the meaning mud
iapplicatiou of certain words used by the Hon.
Member fur Aberdeen. This the Hevener stated

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at the bar of the House, and the House itself, from
the corroboration of so'se of its own Members, wits.
induced to give hint credit for having been so oils-
taken. 13ot lie now rose to proteg for himself mid
friends against the imputation of the Noble Lord,
that they had esti' given countenance to libels re-
sembling in character the publication in queetiriti.
He was aware that there were pnblications which
contained severe and bitter reflections of o 1,..
litical nature on the measures of the Nivl)le Lord
and Ins coadjutors ; but he could not but pity the
discriminating faculties of the Noble Lo-.!, tf
lie confounded political reflections on puhlic
measores with attacks on priv,te character, and
especially on the characters of "milieu. The Noble
Lord might, for instance, be charged with havlng
caused eoldiers to be flAgged to death in belaitil,
rind with having pat the inhabitants to tor-
ture; but then the Noble Lord had the enema of
refutation at hand. -But summie an attack made
on a female relation or the Noble Lord's—(fikltri)
—lf the charge netted were " as false as hell,"
would the Noble Lard like to have her character
and conduct, and all the eircometsuces of her
family and cannexiativ, unveiled in a Court of Jus.
lice. to which he would have to look for redrew ?
—(Hear, hear.j—'There was a delicacy in the
female character which shrunk front public scru-
tiny, and which (orb tile its intrusion on the public
attention. its to the charge which had been men-
ttoned of persona in authority countena::cing and
abettiog the newspaper in question, lie could
not altogether acquit them of it. Ile had
learnt of very good authority that Copies of that
pearl r were forwiteded to the Anibesisailois rive-
settling the British C;overninent in the v.eriotra
("owls of Europe. Now, no newspapers could
he Se;lt out or the country free of expense except,
fly the peculiar favour of Government forwarding
them with 1111- dispvelies to, the allintsters of foreign
Courts. Btu be that as it any, the Noble
Lord admitted that he raid the paper. If the No-
Ide Lord or any other person tuck in that paper
and paid for it, it dial mot matter about their read-
ing it.—(brogitiogj—if they paid, they paid, sad
coossrptenily encouraged moral assassinatinti.
The Nlir/Iti:s of Lonuoaatua* observed that
the Noble Lorai's foreign information was quite as
incorrect as hos domestic iatelliKente.
•pert to the eireumatant e to which he had adverted,.
he had no hesitation to say it was 111011 unfounded;l
and with all due respect for the Noble Lord's ge-
Wary and attachment to the fair, he hoped be
wou!al excu,e bins (the Alarquis) if he bevame a
rival for that diatiogoi.h..d luagh)--
for he would he the last main hieing that would
colintminee so scandalous a transaction. lint he
would hev, to remittal the Noble Lord that diorite-
teri 110 t less Elelrl or unspotted, oar. cven Ma-
jeoy itself, ha•l not been spared by oilier ipurs.—
(Hear, hear.)-11:.• ve,ml,l ii-k the Noble Loral
whether he ever re ad I loiw't publications ?
(Iletre, hear.)
Mr. CoURTENAY wished In call the attention of
the Home to the real tilleMjen berme them, lot lie
thaiii:4lo. the I loose should be cotiiiitclit its their.
coottuct. Ile could trot add any additional weight
1.l the indignatton dirt had been expressed from all
sides of the !louse cm the language that haii 1)0(91
uteri its the public:it referred to.—(Hear.)—lt
appeared to hint ti•ut there MllB analogy ba.tae;or the
ca•e that had been alluded tat arid the present ;
as it was so, lie thought the [louse should putsae
the saute comse.
Lord J. ItussEtt. explaitied. With respect to
the publicesiime of Air. !Lute, he could eat• that he
never took them in, but he LstlitVad they were
strictly pollticel.

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Mr. W. Sat rr.it thought the [louse had already
wasted too much time, and it was not his tote Minn
to con•mue much mole of it on the present sub-
j•et. lie was one of those who tlintiglit !bete
should he the utmost I.stittide allowed to the press
in the discussion of political que.toms, anti he
never should support a too ion fur cairn% either an
editor or printer to the bar, merely for a political
libel ; but when individual character is attacked,
when a statement is made, which it had been pro-
perly slid, smelt of Wool!, and when it is stated
that a Member of that Irloit.c had been led
through fear to tell a deliberate falsehood, he
knew of sic pticesliment too severe.—(l/ear.)
With respect to the case that bad been meta:oiled
in the coune of the debate about The Times, he
must certainly say, that if a man made the state-
ment that appeared iii that Paper deliberately and
wilfielly, he knew of no punishment too *evert: for
hiol ; but the person who made that statement was
examined at the bur, und there stated that it was
done nin.t unintentionally, and not tom individual
knowledge; but from inquiri.s he had made re-
verting his character, lie felt persuaded the pate-
tnent was correct—but there was no gruttud of
epology for this low, dirty, prevaricating wretch—
/E/ear, heurl —sad he tberefore thought the
punishment proposed by the Noble Lord much
too slight, and would nut be rufficieut to prevent
the repetition or the offence.

Mr. C. H. livrettinsois said he could not let
that question pars without iraking some obser-
vation Upon the. comparison that had been made
between the two cases, with so little regard to
justice. It wits, in hie', confounding iiitiocetice with
guilt—confounding a Gentleman of unimpeach-
able character with the wretch who bed been pro
rlueed sit the brr. This Gentleman (Mr. Cullyei)
is connected with one of the first estublithineitts
in the country, which has long conferred the most
signal advantages upon this country, winch has
taken a most conspicuous station, and udVerntell
with success, and spotless success, ell the great
questions that interested the empire.--Illere the
Hon. Gtmtleinaii was iuterrupted by coughilig.]—
The Hun. Member proceeded: be espial(' assure the
House he was not to be interrupted in the discharge
of what he considered his ditty. The attempt tuight
be made, but it must prove unsuccessful. He
stood there in defence of an injured Gentleman ;
and the House, in asserting their own privileges,
ought to abstain from- wounding individual cha-
recter. Mr. Celiyer was examined at that bar, and
impressed every man that heard him with a favour-
able opinion. He never heard a man, either at
that bar or any other place, culled ou to accovitt
for hi• conduct, acquit himself with greater credit.
He (Mr. Hutchinson) was so far • friend to the
liberty of the press, that he should almost feel dis-
posed to pass over the present instance. But
surely the Noble Marquis (Lotuloaderry) could uot

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be serious in competing it %ill' the care ~r
Collyer. Ile should nut detain the I Inu•r
Ile rose ror the purpose of expremiifig the imlturn-
thou which he felt •t the atreoge mAlict r in whip
Iwo comm. so completely theme!. Itistl heeu t mi-
founded.

11? I LbtoT raid, he should vole for the severer
Intilletultrla. Ile thoogiat thr analogy hrtwerii the
two cases completely litalrtlyell. Tina caw, thco,
&Iseuld be coseololrrtil on it* own mri ; for if t: it
weretOlerated, there coot,' 6r no politico
lions without violating all the ties of civilised': ao.
1► Ir. llastuu said, that no Clentleman caul I be
actuated by any petite/al mourn against the.c:too.
fortunate wretches. the sole object of the I lota-v
could he to vintlicate their nen privd.g,a, It.
thought there wits ito analogy whatever brtwerst 111,
two cases. 110 the fernier close it was inertly it 1r1•,-
reps cavitation of a opeeelt of n !trendier of Ci.t
IlowoC, warren that Could not be detesatiocd, •
a Member. of that flame bi owl up and said• 'toe
statement was.correct. • 'lle two CAM a were as di..
tinet as possible.

Mr. heir,as a reluctant party to II e
vote that was risen Ins the former oceswitne ; but
althosigh they rinse to a lenient decision at that
time. he saw no rounds fur it slow.
The Marquis; of LOPPOIIDgRItY said. thin I►!
merely moved the stneudissent. heciture sow. thing
was necessary in opposition to that of the Noble
Lord "I:Pointe (law+ Nvgent). lie had, however.
Ito ohlecteolt, t( it ewe the wish of the to
withdraw it.

S r JAMES &Levitt Noon, sheervesl, that si the
Noble Alarqin had cosiseuted, is deference to the
(+pinkie.' of the tirsurv;to withdraw modem, lie
thought his Noble Friend (Lord NU4rial) might
do the same; and as the. Noble Marquis haul con-
sented to wallet/an a er punishment. d atalio
rlsould• be withdraw the lighter. Before
lie sat dorm. be mast make one observation on
wbet'lisd (seamed doting this thsearriuti. Ile con-
sidered it one of the most alarming symptoms of
the present times to hear doubts throws' out as to
the right of dist !louse to vindicate its own Kiwi.
leges.—(Heuv, Fear.)—Of the piper' iit quebtiotte,
lie knew nothisig, except of the isoragraph Iu spice-
toii,and nothing, io Isis upini. 14 could have a more
permcicas tendency than to tolerate any publication
that could check that bold, 'mud manly. Dud nide-
per/dent. expression of sentiment winch so presemi.
smugly distinguished the dircussions of that sr-
trembly obove• all the- other commonwealths in tl:e
world.—(ffenr,Aear.)
Lord NUGENT withdrew his motion in deference
to the opinions of the House.
Mr. UROUGIIAM said, that in the case of Mr.
Collyer lie had interfered fur a mitigation of pu-
nishment, and he had this. evening refreelied his
memory. The [louse might, in that instance, hate
been wrong us to the fact ; but the pui,lstiment
must have been determined by the inclina-
tion. Mr. Cullyer was culled •nd vrainioed, rod
Isms manner, and the consistency of his state-
ments war, as it should ots all occasions, be taken
into cousideration. ilia statement was corrobo-
rated by • Member of that noose, olio said that
something had occurred of the dtscription Ise haul
reported. The statement of Mr. Cullver was, that
at the time the ob non, of the lion. Menmher
for Aberdeen (Mr. Hume) were made, a coos.der.
able noise prevailed in the gallery.; and he 11:-
fluired from a Gentlemen near bins whst the oh.
serviteous were, and on his authority be it sells d thew.
Now On statement might be true or tod. 130 it
was perfectly consietent stills the fact, and ii sc.or
generally believed that the utisreprerentation (it' it
were sr) Was u !!!!!! cuticulal. If be could lime
betided, If he could bring his mind tu. imagire
that he cuold be capable of
into the mouth of a Member of that lions-,
for the perpie nf gratifying his own wise e er
pe.sonal wisher, lie should ray, that any leniency
would be most misplaced. Ile knew of no punishment
the House could inflict adequate to so foul, re
wilful, so malletuus a statement,. In nisi* issuance
lie should vote, cud he hoped it would be the
unanimous opinion of the whole House. fur the
punishment of committal.
Lord NUGENT explained. lie mid, when lir
consented to with aw his amendment, he by ro
means meant to abandon Isis opinions. The tote
then certainly should nut be unanimous.
The House then divided us Mr.BMTING'S motioo. The
ouebburs w.re—

For the motion
A'iivat It

Majority in favour of the coin- I 86
mitts! to Newipte
On our re-admission to the call. ry ‘Nt• found Mr. S.
BOU1:NE ou his Ir gs. He was cumulating': (as well as se
could underst•ud) of the severity to which the persons con-
nected with John Bull were suhjectrd during their exa-
mination.

Sir .1A M ES MACK INTOSH 'cry( tied extremely the stale-
meat he bad heard, than an lion. /Itemiser should have
been present at the examination of these persons at the
bar, anal listened in silence, from the fear of xneounteriug any
obloquy or nopupularity iuexpres.iegaaopinion en a sours
which be thought aid felt was radical,/ wrong- Tim' I."y
man of 6u weigkt and character should make such a slate-
nicsit, he regretted as much on account of his Hou. Friend
as his ; and be begged to assure his Hon fitted. that
when he said regret, it was by no means at variance with the
opinions be bad cniertairrd lions a lone acquaintance. 11 11
Hon. Friend bad also made a 'defence to miter Coarts, but
of that mode of proceeding he should say, that it was
offence to the constitution of PArliawrnt and an ist,u':
that House.--(llear.)—The "ler et coasted° pathos., • '
was the law by which the 4:nrstitto sill)111.1 be iri
other. If the House hail r one mumeut ovi I
duty 'tad deviated from the proper comm.' of plot,. 01.•:: •
could the laudable vigilance and unceasing siitentiuu of i,o
Hun. to ntlrman (Sir. Wynn) have slumbered for -
moment), it would have been imusadiately corrected by that
iudlridelal who presides with so much ability over their de•
liberations. He had, a few minutes before, taken occasion
to deplore the scepticism which he saw prevail as to tt.e
right of the House to vindicate its own privileges; but if lir
thought that any man could remain sih sit from any dread of
unpopularity at a time clan tine House was about to do an
act likely to invoke them in disgrace, then, indeed, be should
fear that the destruction of Parliament and of the Constitu-
tion was inevitable.—(year)—gut he should wish to redeem,
The character of the House Isom the imputations that had
freeness' apes' it, and to vindicate his Hun. Friend against his
owe silence.

Mr. STURGES BOURNE explained. He really did not
think the expresoions mentioned by his Honourable
and Learned Friend (Sir James Mackintosh) had eve*
escaped his lips. However, he could assure the House
if they did, be was not speaking his own seniiments.--(lltar.'
—What he said was this, that the Howse had in this in-
stance gone further Wan in his memory. they had ever done
uu a similar occasiou. He had even poilitrd out the in-
stances to which be thought they had dose so. He tbeoibt

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