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Mr. _ aft wes, of opinion . Public Works was
legitimate mode of speeding the public money.
, Mr. C. lIUTCHINSON concurred in the opinion. that public
works were a useful mode of employing the public money ; and
its emokyneent in that way contributed greatly to preserve quiet,
by_ givTfie benetclal 'occupation to the people.
Mr. 11U3IE was oppoita to the principle of employing the
public money, merit, .for the purpose of employing people. It
throwiog k swat to dispose of it in such a way.
Mr. GOULBURN said that the money than voted was not ap-
propriated merely to the construction of works foe the employment
of the people, but fcr the construction of works of permanent utility,
which, whether the people were or were not in a state of distress, It
would be proper and beneficial to prosecute. (Hear.)
Mr. Perm and Mr. Hone mutually explained. . • •
The vote was then agreed to.
The House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be teogeht
wp to-morrow.
THE ROYAL 111E‘,SAGE.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
'banging up of the Repose on the Resolutions relative to the Royal
Message Rif making suitable provision for her Royal Highness
Principe Alexandrine Victoria (daughter of his Royal Highness the
Duke at Kent), and Geroge Frederick *leeender knits( Appeal
(aso of his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland). ' •
Sir A WROTTESLEY was desirous of taking this opychedt,
of correcting a mistake which occurred respecting him as M
speech attributed to him in the newspapers. The speech wee ollie
pronounced. he believed, by an Hon. Baronet, a Member for ,roue
part cf Scotland, and wes spoken when he (Sir J. iVrottesley)
not even present in the Douse. (Hear, and a laugh.) In that
speech sentiments were given to him which he did not entertain,
I. .d which he was therefore desirous of disclaiming. (Hear, beer.)
On an unimportant occasion he would not have noticed the Woe
take which was one that he had no doubt had been made unitise.
Wished, hietrevei, that it should not be imputed so
bins that he introduced the elan"; of an illustrious personage (we
believe the Duke'of Yqrk) at a time that that royal personage did
rot himself evince a disposition se bring them forward. If tic had
done so be world consider that he bad abused the privilege he pos..
sessed is a Member of Parliament, in thus unwarrantably drawing
the attention of the House to such a topic. (Hear, hear.) He
hoped that the correction of this mistake would be communicated
to the public through the same channel through which this error
had been origially.conveyed.
Mr. HE 31E wished to know from the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer, whether, in the event of the death of the Princess Victoria, it
was intended to continue the grant of 6,0001. to the Duchess of
Kent.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that in the
proposed giant lie did nut caculote on such a calamity befalling her
RoyelHighnese. He thought it would be wanting in delicacy to
mention such a subject to her Royal Highness.
Mr. IILOIE said that he thought it was right to anticipate such
an event, and if it had beer. anticipated in the case of one member
of the Royal Family (we believe Prince Leopold) he would now
perhaps be receiving only the income of one Royal Duke instead
of the incomerif two, its was the cave at present. (Herr, hear.)
As to the present grant. he was of opinion that even in the event
rethe death of the daughter of her Royal Highness the Duchess
of Kent, the pant should be continued to het Royal Highness,
and on the bonging in of the Bill, we understood the Hon. Gentle-
st:as to say be would move the introduction of a clause to that Effect.
The Resolution Was then put, and unanimously agreed to.
Mr. HEMP:, on the propooal of a grant of 6000 f. a year from the
r.onsolidated Fimd, for the maintenance and education of the son
of his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland, expressed his re.
Vet at not seeing his Hoc. Friepd (Sir J. Newport) in his place, to
snore the amendment which be had intended, relative to this grant.
lie thought that there was no measure proposed by Government
bias Session of ParlierriClit, which weeld meet with more general
ii.ssatiafaction,. than the proposal of voting this sum of money to
the Puke arotimberland ; for he should regard it in the light of an
anomie* us the present large allowance of his Royal Highness. It
Wes the more objmtionable, as Ministers refused to Milk the appli-
cation of it ;nee eductoion of the boy in Great Britain. (No, no,
from the lidgmfektiat benches.) Hon. Gentlemen might as, no;
but he imegligity yea, for an amendment to limit its application
was d* gibe a rote of that House. He was desirous of know-
rag dl Mt should be made solely to this boy, as s similar
grant. tee Alter before made for roe provision of a person
ist the 'tame relation that he did to the throne. Be-
aidefletoll aesser had been given, stating the exact
amount of the present receipts of the Duke of Cumberland. They
knew he had 18,0001. a-year ; which, on the scale of expenditure in
Prussia and Hanover, was equivalent, he understood, to 36,0001. a
yea; in this country. Was this, he would ask, economy ? (Hear,
hear.) More Testicular', was it economy to propose an increase to
the income of Me Royal Highness at a time that Ministers declared
themsetwea unwilling to remove any of the taxes? (Hear, hear.)
liedelied Ministers to adduce any precedent to warrant such a
grant as that now proposed to be made fur the maintenance of this
boy of only two years of age. Even in the ease of those who were
nearer the throne than the son of the Duke of Cumberland (in the
use of the sons of the laii'llEiug) no such grant had been made. It
was not prepared that 8.6001. a year, the sum voted for their main-
tenance and education, ',wield be even to them until they bed tr-
usted at a' more advanced age. In this grant made to the present
Bole of Gloucester, and Iris raster, the former of 8,0001., the latter
of 4,118.1. both standing in the same relation as this boy to the
throne, there was no precedent to be foe n d to warrant the present pro-
vision. The vote to the Duke of Gloucester's...a% 8,9001. to be received
.rat the death of his father ; so that it was clearly understood that
the father was to educate his ern 'out of the 98001. that was granted
to him by the Parliament. If that was the corm, he would ask on
what principle it was that the House could now make a new pre.
oedent, especially as they had on two former omseions refused to do
so in the instance of the Duke of Cumberland. From that period
so this, he writdd ask what had that individual done to gain the
good-will of this House ? Wes it because he had s son, who was
the sixth or seventh in succession to the Crown ? The Royal
Duke should suit his mode of living to his circumstances, and pro-
'wide for his son himself, until the yoiang prince came within that
reach of the Crown which would make it the duty of Parliament to
Me that • suitable provision was made five him. Another principle
why this delay should be made was that the House a Con.ruons
"ranted to the Princess of Wales a separate est
Highness ad not
'been heir presiemptive to the Crown. But by the present vote the
'House was called upon to put the young Prince of Cumberland on
trio same foottog with the Princess ofKent, who was the heiress ap.
parent to the Crown. The vote was altogether an unproper one.
Me thought the beet mode of taking the sense of the Bowe upon it
was to pre a direct negntive (hear, boar, hear,) and if they should
not now be trucemsful, he hoped they would at every stage pursue
the same course and • fresh strength to their cause. lie was
sure the people woulbe with them (hear, bear.) and he was only
surprised that his Majesty should have been so ill-advised by these
woo had in the last one or two Sessions shown so great an an-
ime to snare the purse of the public.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEqUER said, if it had
been the pleasure of the House. when, on a tornier occasion, it had
teen proposed to increase the allowance to the Duke of Cumberland,
to hem acquiesced in that proposition, undoubtedly it would have
-own unnecessary to ask for any further allowaiice now on the birth
of a redid ; because mom certainly when the addition to the allow-
ances of the Dukes of Clusece sad or CarnbriOge was made, it wits

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intended as • premisiew for their
intended to meet the possible and
. But the Duke of Cumberland • •
tat the time of his marriage, and t
situation keen that of his Royal Tahiti
o waashithst six years old, and not two
had stated, he (the Chancellor of the Es
ly 19enreive any thing outrageous to the feeli. •
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with, the practice of the House en other - '
an allowance should be now made to •
education of his young Prince. Ths Hon. G
Sunset objected that in the proposed grant the II
upon to give the same sum to this young Prince as •
10 be Witen to the Princess of Kent, because the imeer
proximity to the Crown. That was an argument a little
.ent on the part of the Honourable Gentleman and
ds, becauoe when his Majesty's Alinisters. did, in the
rants, propose to make a difference in the allowance to the
Clarence no account of his proximity to eke Crown, it was
the Hon. Gentleman, and the sum of 10.0001. wMtit
.ar the allowance of that Royal Doke, was reduced to
consequence of the objection. lie therefore thought that
ten were now only following the precedent which Pee-
d set them on the former occasion, by making no die.
'wren the grants to the young Princess and the young
I were not at 111 liable to the objection which the lion.
had taken on this ground. On a former night he
he thought it was an honest and unreserved declare-
part of his 31ajesty'a Ministers, that the object of
was not only to provide for the education of the
also that that education thould be in this omel-
et was a fair and unequivocal statement made by
he said that he Aid not at the tome time consider it ne.
introduce such &declaration in the answer to the Mes.
his Majesty. But if it should be thought necessary for
Ire a decided expression of its object by introducing
of the purpose for which the grant was made in the
the Bill, be. bad no sort of objection to acquiesce in
of that nature. He should be quite ready to give effect
insetting any words In the Elll to ensure to the people of
- the education of the Prince of Cumberland should
this country. That was-his own sincere object, bat
he did rot think the Douse ought to do it in any
• either reflect upon the parents, or at ail affect theft
Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Hume) seemed however to
subject as if it were a mere matter of cantle, that
should be seasrated from his parents. A certain learned
'4 the other night that he did not wish tint timpanist'
iaould return to this country, that he would ratibt-w be
a mid all that he required was, that the young Prince
ode toted
ire was a greet want of feeling in this endeavour to en.
s it wee, the bake from his country, and thee tat taiga
slid I and it was speaking very diarameitffillly of the
pnito The House ought not to adopt a course which
hard' and unfeeling towards the RoyalPareatat and for
considered the mode he had proposed was the best
adopted. The object, he would repeat, of the grant
education t f the young Prince should be a good one,
dish one (hear, hear), and if the grant should be made
view to attain this object, there could not certainly be
t objection on the part of his Slejesty's Ministers to a
introduced in•o the Bill to that effect. (Hear, hear.)
aft INGTON allowed the House that it was with the
reluctance that he at any time made observations at all of
weal nature, and 'add appeal to his conduct for the many
yenewebat be had been in that House, in confirmation of his decla.
ration. Upon the best consideration which he had been able to
give of all that had passed in this Howie in the years 11116 and 1820,
be had come to the most decided opinion that the decision or the
House was on both those occasions correct and proper, (hear,
bear), and he crusted that Hogse would not, under the pretence of
'venting 6 0001. for the education of the young Prince, violate the
principle which they had observed on the two former occasion.; and
in point of fact grant that now to the Duke of Cumberland, which
had been refused to him twice before. He would say, that the.
decisions of the House on the former occasions, were in complete
unison with the feelings of the people. But if the House
should make the grant now proposed, and thus depart from
the principle it had hitherto observed, it became them to ON
wbether a necessity existed for it, and if it did, then let them
take especial care that the Act of Parliament should be sufficient SO
sorry into complete effect that which the House meant really to do.
Now as to the necessity of the grant, he confessed he was not pre-
pared to say that sufficient grounds had been shown to induce the
House to grant the sum required, not because the 8,000/. was in
itself &consideration, for he knew 6.0001. could not be a matter of
great moment to the country, but he thought sufficient grounds
had not been shown ; because it was a bad precedent that they were
ogled upon to establish, and because the Duke of Cumberland had
already an ample allowance, adequate to do that which the.grant
wee le at atle him to do, were lie disposed so to act. But it was
aid as the fanner occasions that the Duke denied it to be his In-
tention to take up his residence abroad. Had he, however, re.
turned to this country? Had he not, on the contrary, shown that
it was hit full interten not to do so ? The Puke had a du•y to
perform, not only as a parent, but as a British subject, and his
latter duty was a paramount one, when It was considered in what
relation his child stood to the throne of this country. The Duke
should have come to England and have done what he could with his
present income, and theii,•lf upon an investigation fully and fairly
made, it appeared incompetent for him to maintain and educate
the young Prince in that dignified and Munition% manner which
the heir to the British Crown ought to be, then Parliament would
have come forward and made a suitable provision for that purpose.
But no ; the Duke remained abroad ; it had not been even hinted
at that he was even now come to this country to take up his residence
in It. Here was not the slightest intimation that such was his inten.
tion. If that be so, then until the Duke should come to England, and
had shown by his conduct that he was prepared to perform the duties
he had t r discharge here, he (Dr. Lushington) thought It would
be premature for the House to come to the vote proposed. But
if even the Duke were here, how came it that the Duchess of
Kent should be able, with 12,0001. a year only, to support her
own high station in society, and find fitting education for her own
daughter, who was nearer to the throne than the Prince of Cum-
berland. How came mil to be so, he asked, when it was con-
tended that the Duke could not support himself and educate his
son with 19,0001 a year? It was the grossest inconsistency that
could possibly be breached in this House. But even supposing
the necessity of the grant to be allowed, yet to whom was the
education of the young Prince to he entrusted ? Had the country
proposed to give this power to the King or to the Duke of Cumber-
land ? It was well krown that by the laws of this country the grand.
children of the King were subject to have their education directed by
the Monarch; and it appeared that the opinion of the twelve Judges
was, that the law was the same with regard to the nephews of the
King. Now, supposing the King then was entitled to exercise this
power, was it note gross absurdity for this (louse to make a grant
to the King to enable him to pay it over to the Duke of Cumber-
land ? The House by this means would be separating the payment
from the duty ; the King was bound to superintend the education
of the Prince, and yet the grant was to enable his Majesty to pay
the money to the Duke; but reverse the case: suppose the King
was not entitled to that power, was it not high time that the House
should inset: him with it ? If the Duke of Cumberland did not
return to this country, was it not high time that Parliament should
strengthen the power of his Majesty, and enable hint to watch and
direct the education of a Prince so closely allied to the Crown ?
Therefore, take the case in which way they pleased, whether the
King had a right or not, it was td the last importance that the House
shook', in this resolutior, give his Majesty that power which should
scare the education of the young Prince in this country. He begged
the Chancellor of the Exchequer's pardon ; but that Rigbt Hon.
Gentleman had not correctly represented what lie (l)r. Lushington)
said on a former night. Ile did not wish to sepatate the parent
front the son, but what he said was, that he should not be willing
to grant one shilling to the Duke, to induce him to come to this
country, nor did he think that that individual had at all entitled
himself to it. For the reasons be haul stated he thought it was
necessary that the terms of the Resolution should be altered; and
as his Right Honourable Friend the Member for Waterford was
not in his place, he (Dr. L.) should take the liberty to a maim that the
words " to his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland" should
be omitted, and that at the conclusion the following words
be added, "in the United Kingdom." He was the more con.
vinced of the propriety of the House securing the fulfil.
men of their own intentions, Lecausc he found that in
the debate on the- last occasion, when the grant was pro-
be made to the Duke of Cuniberlai.„l, the Marquis of
pro-
posed
m Londonderry said, that the opinion of the Ilcuse on the first time
the grant was proposed and rejected, was not sufficiently expressed'
by any direct vote being made. If, then, that Noble Marquis
thought so, it was necessary that the House 'should now do more
than merely calling on the Right Honourable Gentleman (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) to give his pledge, which, however,
he ( Dr. Lushington) knew would not be violated so long as that
Right Honourable Gentleman remained in office, and fur these
reasons he should beg to move the amendment he had just read.
Mr. CREEVF,Y could neither agree to the amendment nor the
original resolution. During the whole time he had sat in Parlia-
ment. lie react' knew such an attempt as this proposed vote. The
Duke of Cumberland had been brought twice before the House and
twice rejected, and this was a third outrageous attempt, under false
pretences, to obtain 60001. which had before teen refused. The
name of the Duchess of Kent had been mixed up with it by the
friends df the Duke, for the sole purpose of effecting their object.
He should vote agaiast the grant in any shape.
Mr. CRIPPS expressed himself friendly to the amendment, but
to the Right lion. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
declared that he should have no objection to insert similar weeds in
the Bill, he should certainly vote for the original resolution. If the
Honourable Gentleman Mr.‘Creevey) meant to say that this erne
a juggle between the Duchess of Kent and the Duke of Cumber-
berland (no ! no!)
Mr. CREE VEY begged to state that nothing was farther from
lii; intention than to u.y any tiring disrespectful of the Duchess of
Kent. What he said was, that the friends of the Duke of Cum-
berland had mixed tip her name with it, in order to get this grant
through the House, and that even against her Royal Highness's
will. She was aatistird with what the Parliament had already done
foe her, and did not require to have her name connected with that
of the Duke. (Hear, hear.)—
Mr. CRIPPS said, if it appeared to hint that such was the
coat, he should vote against the motion, but as lie could not go the
length. of the lion. Gentleman, he should support the grant.
Mr. HUDSON GURNEY thought that the Duke of Cumber-
land was ill-treated by the Hoare, and that it WWI now only re-
deeming itself from i•s former injustice, lie considered the claims
of all the Royal persons who were equally related to the throne to
be equally entitled to a ptovition from the country, and that when
the Royal Dukes of Clarence and Cambridge had an additional al-


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livd;ng to the Hem Member's motieftl,stisther they would hot only intend,
grout web ft teat ut *mkt bet eullelent present exigencies, was also linen&
until he Report of the Conienissioners coo Wildly examined P a family. Rut
Mr. ClaMST%tought the sums already were proposed at the
saki ia mad be mere even at that differeot sites*
mee perlog"...rdlie . theft dui the present • son who mat
state ataintatisals nod so mem be gowned until Member had at
lbe&theinkapoileadaft.,_ title tese.. not possibly
ster Pt WI iligOleveM MINA time to the oaf and inconsistent wit
mein assume easitled_ter say thee It siwaiitte= she eserse requiring that
isopoeimeei sown indeeC *lt Oftlimis- Duke for the
imam %%Ed, eefteliftrallr coed elisseftbly sued egea, man (Mr. Hum
iftememe Obit WM pekes eabetituraihr was called spot
Marie ether, ifta bees assislistel et Melte eftmequetee. The intended to be I
Repeat was sew seedy, acid blikbe had de doubt, be delivered in in loser prolitt
a lbw daconsistent on
lat. C.H.. HUTCHINSON said a fe* MAD upon the state et( his friend', bee
edilisration in beistad. former grants, I
e. RICE then said that he would hot duo* any obstacles Duke of Claret)
fia the way of the heftiaess of thollowes, aft eftitled it was under- 'objected to by tl
mend they should take the discussion when the Resolutions came arhs deed for t 1
to* reported in the C.emmittor. 0,1001. in conics
111 Bemetory PEEL said he was es Wasions the Report the Ministers w
ahead be pretested without delay, that be had that morning sent Lament had Pet
Abe the printer to indite, him to hasten the work. The Report, 'unction betweer
whisk held only bens preeesited at he dl.. that dky aonsisted of Prince. and wet
SO yaps of writing, which walla make Ida-pages ad letter-prees, Gentleman had
sad sioesid dierefore take as yet some time before it could be pro. stated, and he
eimed. If it mould be any eattsfactioft to the Hon. Gentleman the tion on the pat
Report aught be brought up on FFMky. this vote weal
Mr. HOME said di) or 70,0001. had already been voted by the boy, but also
Mow open theist estimates, end be would object to any further t 7. That
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seam being entmed until they were in possession of the Report. him ; but he it
The CRANCELLOR o the EXCHEQUER undemanding mama to toyed
ftom his Hon. Friend (Mr. F. Lewis) the rman of the Corn- sage from his E
that., no legislative meows could hit founded upon the the house to
gin
E'sbis Session. he.ueyld not sea why these establishments • declaration of
be leg to shift be themselves tiU the ensuing Sateen. preamble of the
The erase now demanded wen /or their immediate support, and as any clause of tit
greed/ago( these did net pledge the Houle es any positive arrange. to this by inseiti
amok he paw no ground for lls• opposition displayed by the Hon. England that ;I
UentIODDID opposite. take place in tt
After fi Ow words (rem Mr. fkeretwrz.PßEL, in securing it Its
Me. S. RICE consented to withdraw his amendment, and the way that might
Reuse went man a Committee. The drat Reeolotion, granting the feeln.ge. The
sum of 11,1001. fur the rapport of melons ('barter Reboots, was
the child should
On the Rawhides that a sum be granted for the continuance of Civilian said the
7PwAlie Wert!! Cumberland oho
DM HUMP; objected to the nadertaking of any new works. should not, and
1tir.'094,11011 RN said the 00111011 had voted a large sum for Armlet be ethics
Politic Wm** im lrelsnci, during the seas*: of distress, to en- thought there WI
cc *ivory cad afford employment to the distressed papule- patriate, as it we
Pt' latien—erterns bed been then oornmeneed--roads formed, and him his child t
bridge' projemed, which they were now called upon to finish ; end illustrious Duke
hr thought that upon inquiry, the greatest advantages would be was either harsh
sound to have resulted from what had been already done. At all that reason he cc
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create, they must Iluish those undertakings which were now in pro. that could be add
ENOS. wig, that the edt
31r. GRATTAN expressed a hope that the present system that and an English
prevailed in Ireland., relative to the making of roads, would be put then with a view
an end to. In 'Rune counties, Government gave 111111111411 Ce, and in the slightest obj
others. as in the county of Wicklow, a fair proportion or support clause being intr
DU not given. He wished a system of equal assistance should be Dr. LUSH
given to all the counties of Ireland. greatest reluclan
• Mr. PEEL was of opinion that Public Works was the most a personal newt
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