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JAC. BOSANQUET, THUS RVII),
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hit Indio House, April 10, 1805.

STATE LOTTERY.
SWIFT and CO. at their Old Office, No. 11,
Poultry, are selling Tickets and Shares of the State Lot-
tery, to here drawing 13th Pies
The demand fot Tickets and Shares in all Lotteries has been
in proportion to the number of Cannel Prizes they coutainol ;
nos accounts for the get-at gale that has already taken place in
the present Lottery, a continuance of which must occasion such
ao ini.rease of price, as to make it an olnea to every adventurer
.1 to delay hi .eurchase.
In the last Lottery, the Ticket hi, 20,952, a Prize of
'o,OOOI. Na. 11,200, a Prise of 10001. arid Nos 9,202 and
1,5,5160, Prizes of 211'l were abated and sold at Swill and Co.'s
111fice. Where No. 6,721, a Priv of 20,0001. No. 9,962, a
Nile 1410 0001. and No. 19,008, a Prize of 1,0,1U1. in the
trneding Lottery, were ago sold in shares.

UN THOUSAND POUNDS.
111 E First Drawn Ticket will be proclaimed on
it the 18th of next Month, and.cntitled to the above Sum,
besides such Pia.; se wilt otturreta., fall to its Share, perhaps a
110 R NSBY and Co. allure th.• Public, that the present Lot-
tery Neheme, containing sew., the Number of Capital Prizes,
ereatfd a great Demand fur Tickets and Shares, at their
048ce, Ns. 16. (.7ernhill. Clubs, Societies, and individual
Purchasers, are recommended by HORNSBY and Co. not to
rklay buy nig, se thsextraordirrary Sale makes it certain that the
Adventurer mmt nay considerably more than the present Price.
Orders, by Letter or Carrier, exe..uted on the same Term, a.
k: poornt.
Pm., paid on demand, eh...tiler a RAI. or a 'lo,rool.

GRAND SPRING huiTERY
SCHFINIL.
2 L 30,000
2 ~19/0 40,w0
1",000 JO,OOO
as 2,900 ..., 13.0,;0
2,0110 10.000
9 1,000 8,000
14 2 7,,901
90 1.0 2.000
too 50 5.000
C. 000 Po 120,000

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Dill 11.1 Dili .. 1.000 Div. 7th Day.. 2,000
D'is. 3/1 Day .. 1,00 ) Mt., ati, thy 90,000
u. 3. 40, Day .. 5,000 Dtpo 9/41/ay .. 1,000
au'' '/11/ Day .. 1,00.1 p.a., 10th 11ay .. 2,000
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Moodiest .if ISt wiettaltit- ?mom..
been ineteices ill whieb personshave beenproseemed,
but this, ffsr, was not only a Cafe of the highest ins.
portanee and deepest interest to the coutstry, that
was ever brought before the Home, but a most par-
ticular one also. With an attendance, consisting of
far more than the usual number of Members, the
qncstion was brotight to an equal division, and it
fell to your lot, Sir, to decide it by the authostp,
vested by the Constitution, of your single v0te.....
110U1[ OF COMMONS.
I mean not to descend. Sir, to any strain of flak.
A ',image rm.. the Lord. wkwiumi the Heine,
that t„..., tery ; there is no occasion for it ; but I cannot re-
Lordship, had vented to the Inemeopets Bill, the Kite' Bei, frain from saying, that your vote of that sight re-
the Spanish Trade Licence lalensoke Sin, the America i Beets the highest praise on your judgmct , your im-
Treat, son, the Neutral lkips.'idlorad the Neutral Ships ' partiality, and your jus i o
ce—ausi that the decision
Pose Bill, without any AlOrtAlaitoage. does honour to the dignity and independence of the
The Deputy Usher of tbs Mok Rod appeared at the Bar,
and intntived the Houle, that die Lapis, authorised by Ho Chair. lam sure. Sir, you ate far above all other
Majesty': Crimmission, had ,ordered'. in to summon the it,,,.. prdise, than that which results from a just and cors-
et Corner else to attend their Lordships, in order to heat the lisiedt.ollt discharge of duty—but, Sir, popularity, s%
Royal miens/riven by the said Commission to certain public cannot but be a most grater U - 1 TeWard
and private Bills.
The SP EAKI.:R accordingly went to the House of Lords. to any man. If, wherever I Roo I view in any
sot, on his return, informed the House, that he had heard the couutenance the most lively and animated testimo- ,
Royal Assent given, by Commission, to all the several tits nies of congrotulatiop, approbation, and applause; I,
abuse 111:n1b01164, and also the Edintruigh Pulite Bill, together If, on every change of place, I feel tOe strongest
with several prime,. Bills. marks of self approbation by reading them in a '
Mr. Lt.E rail notice that he would, on the 2.!.1 of •ard,
move for leans to Ming in a Bill to place Titivate Sulkers 'tit p.ople's eyes, in consequence of the proceedings
bowie em. the stole footing m throe In Englamd. Also fur which took place here two nights ago; I cannot bear
leave to Ming in a Bill for the better recovery of small Debts to accept the mere simple migration of Lord W.I.
in IrAared. villa as an atonement for his offences, after he has
VII MANNING hneight up a Rill for amendine the Wet bet. •se by •i
Iso stigmatid thi House. At the same
Dolls J'Iall; which was grade first tuts°, and sirdenal to be read '
a .-c ~id time. time. permit me, Sir, to say. that while I thus speak
Ste to..souro ,unred the Order rtf the DAY for the scowl .my crono feelings on the oecasion, i am truly and
rsdieg of the /Mee Court Iklf,:trldpb beiispread— anxiously de.irous tia pay every respeft and deter-
-4 . C. POLL; said lie dirt not mous Mete auf Imertnotion
to the Stl, in its present stare sforrthdr thus so say, that
„tie Ii Cs' thiNeh odf Itetlers 1 and if / did alt. really be-
hopot rutroinse would be aito'veillor do eeioideistion o. it, "e"' e!Y* a .. ~,euli. I.d 'the.
_P."21.411'," of
and that A would not be tutorial eaher through the Com. many that they wee an the same opooon with my
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moose he sits oilier stale nut ' sell, I certainly Woukt not attempt to puoi this sub-
Su. W. sesoeT "Minna Oa HOUlli• °tat a was rant hi' in- le& further at the present moment. But, Sir, as I
•lisssetnn to-Wares Wm dilfirsitry stale gelesseseirs:th.t he fielrel ' ' - - • I -
alt) ehitelltete aurae Out Only tell those who Waled -sto-
the dairy.; to lie tided uja iii ord. r that the Bill might he
clearly utid...Nt, d, to hay, it primed before the lealiday., and the same side with myself, but many Wan did not
tecoininitted suer the holidays, in ciis any Hon. Member vote at all, think go.. 1 do, I feel it a remaining part
shou'il wish to mike any ~Iterations in silienditimits ; and that, of my duty to persist in the Motion of which Ito •
o. to the recommitment, the lion. tirahrensan might game notice the other h .
nigh:. , . o.; that we must go on, ono
he ow.itime.
The &II was then read a second time, and ii dered or he tell !Es Majesty, in the moo firm and solemn man-
committed to morrow. nee, that Lord Melville onoht to be dis'oissed from
Sir J. NIMPORT gave notice, that he would t.,-morrow his council, and presence for ever. Before I proceed
move for an am/min of all Goods initei.ted, Date freo . any further, Sir, I think it necessary to say a oor.l
the ono get Duin, from 1710, +uthe hat w purred is iehkis or two conceraing those who have been aftinv.
the sine can be 'glade up
A Me/sa.t.. from the Lord. ilftwmod the Homer toot their partnership with Lord Melville in these transofti -
Lord hips had agreed to the trigs M.lit.a aorlvt,on Bill ; the and to ask whether Mr. Trotter he yet dismissed
Irish sofas Peolia Sal; and flow7res Lottery B",ir Without ally from his situation as Boymester? (Mr. Canning an-
ainendreents. swered across the table) Yes. Is Mr. Wilson dis-
Mr ROSE Monett up several amounts reseeding the Duke .
of Athol's rembnsirance, relative r 'he Isle of Man. ^o.dered mused? Ans. No. It maynot perhaps be important to
to lie on the table, and to be p, ~ • . say much upon that subjeCt at present; but I cannot
He also gave notice, •that h, n,. Ito morrow Move for avoid asking the Right Hon. Gent. whether it be his
leave to brute in a Bill; to alter as.l . mend the Act a the intention to do so, because, Sir, the Tenth Report,
33i1 of the King, reiattve to thls tithes t.i Paymaster of the speaLiug of these two Gentlemen, toys they ought
FUMY...,
Lord H PETTY gave nrrice, that he would, very soon after to be removed. And I think, Sir, as lam now on
the holidays, make a mtg.,. relative to Mr. Tooter this part of the subjeft, I cannot better introduce it
The Order of the Day I'. the exchange of lusts of the Mid- than to give notice here that it is my intention very
dime: Election, which stood for th.• 13th of tea month, was soon after the holidays to move that the Attorney
postponed till tire 2utli, te d the k• .Cit ton ordered to be taken
into conOileratiou .M Tuesday the 7tti a w.,i. General be ordered to proceed against Lord Mel.
Mr. FIUSKISSON brong'ut in 1 Bill for the more effectual ville and Mr. Trotter, in order to obtain a restitu-
preventing smuggle: g, which w..s read a fiot time, and ordered tion of those profits they have received from their
to be seed a second tier- t,-loorrint. illegal use of the public money. It will then be
The Property Duty A• ~ admen' Bill was read a second time, seen.o) woofs of aa. sager not ure than those already
and ordered to be committed romiorrow. an-singer
Committees of Supply and Ways and Means were postponed adduce ,to what an enormous length they have
till the 26th. carried their combinations against the public purse.
LORD MP.IVILLUS RESIGNATION. I feel the strongest necessity to bring it forward, and
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER I hope to see the sun of that day set in glory. in
rose in his place, and informed the House that which it shall he fairly and fully brought to light.
Lord Viscount Melville, in consequence of the pro- Of the proceedings I have hitherto mentioned, Sir,
ceedings which had taken place in that House rwo these are clear; there are other aubjefts, which I
nights ago, had sent in his resignation of the Office own, and am sorry to say, are dark and mysterious,
pi, held under His Mdjesty of First Lord of the and will require a considerable degreeof sitting and
Admiralty ; and that Its Majesty had been gra- explanation ; but they
must also be cleared. It
ciously pleased to receive the same. was, Sir, my intention to move a resolution respea-
LORD MELVILLE'S. REMOVAL. ing the transfer of money from one service to
Mr. WHITBREAD then rose, .i.nd requested that another ; but that, I believe, I sball postpone for
the last Resolution agreed to by the House two some time, at least. I give notice, however, that I
nights ago be read, which being read accordingly— mean to move very soon after the holidays for a se-
'The lion. Gentleman addressed the Chair and lea Committee to inquire into these•transaflions.
the House to the following purport :--u I believe, I cannot but observe, Sir, that it is a melancholy cir-
Sir, the notice given to the House, by the Right cunistance to reflea, that during the periods which
Hon. Gentleman opposite, of the'resignation he has preceded and succeeded Lord Melville's treasurer-
mentioned, was by no means one:pc:lel by any ships, no such transactions were ever heard of, and
Member of the Weis.; I must, however, confess, it was only during his holding that important office
Sir, that Ido not feel myself satisfied by it ; neither that any such ever took place. I must farther no-
do I think, Sir, that the House or the public can be tice also that particular period in which these ads-
satisfied, toilets something farther, and of mole deeds were carried on ; almost all the official papers
substantial and more important area be done which could throw any light upon them have been
than merely to accept and record the notice thus destroyed; and it may not therefore be miss to
,given. It, Sir, what passed in this House, the other provide that in future 0116641 Mai ebeeld be kept
ought, had been the result of party feelings only, secretly. and produced whenever it might be found
.both the House and the Country mi.ght perilaps be nec yto examine into the condo& or accounts
perfealy. gratified ; because, in addition to the d is- of those officio' servants in whom trust and confi-
grace which had Accumulated on the Noble dente must be placed, in order to deteft them, if
Viscount by the Resolutions passed that night, they should abuse that confidence by swerving from
mpefling his conduct in his high official StAtten, the fair, just, and honourable line which thew duty
prescribes to them. There is another circumstance.
he h.. o. t ous voluntorily relinquished all his emolu-
ments, and all parties might be generously inclined Sir, which it was my ;aeration to have adverted to
to think the triumph is perfeCtry complete. But, the other night; but it happened to escape oto re-
Sir, I can with great truth assure you and the collation. 1 meant, Sir, to take notice of the pro-
Howe, that in then bringing tbrward '4,, ,übj.a, I , reeding% of the Bank as. to these tranuaions. I

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believe that from the evidence viven before th
Commissionevs by *person who ha Id; a situation of
considerable Ernst aad ceafiJence,it a pealed to them
that the Bank bed not sufficinot vouchers for the
various sums of money they had issued in come-
querffe of the discounts of lewd Melville and Mr.
Trotter. I have also heard it rumoured, that the
Bank were correa in what they had done, but that
the evidence was not so ; where the error lies, I du
not pretend to say; but if it be really doubtful, and
there actually is en erre'''. I say, then, let it be eor-
reteed. I have heard the Right Hon. Gmelentan
opposite (Mr. Pitt) has allowed, that he had been
apprised of the circumstance of the moray which
belonged to the Navy, having been taken from the
Bank, and put into the hands of priva-e bankers.
That fad must be ascertained, and if he cannot in-
stantly answer to it, be will of cornse • be ere of the
objees of the inquiry of that Committee, for which
I mean to move. ilea eircumstance which most '-.
fisolte:tyraesashrwdirs tillen ofir NPlnrr.l.AlePlclict° aien;d .es re
was
a vet deficiency s and, in consequeoce therettr,
1t r ttr prepta I.ned Itieititte fe harturi•s• 4
ieniediately answerable fiat it, a,snielats was gote:a •
fir 24,0004. by the Lords of the Treasere, of wham
the Let Hen. Gentleman is the head. In the i!
mane rd the ineeit y I wish to take eke% we may
be able to ascertain one point that is highly import-
' sat, particularly to Lord Melville, and that iv,
iebether the Noble Visemsat was or Was not in par-
, Salvation with Mr. fritter! That which weighs
id my mind, I must own, the ph-ender entufuti of
the Nolde Viscount as :n his choice of giving up
ease of the places he held. I think, Sr. It is scene-
when/ said by Dean Swift, that two and two don't
make fuu-; now the axiom of the Noble Viscount
on the o:casion I allude was, that two faun are
not alike. The Noble Vl:count held three high of-
ficial situation.: Tre tourer of the Navy. President
of the Board of Coot-root, and Secretary brie the
Wm Depertinent. The Treasurer of the Navy is
a mere sinecure, vith a h•iary of 4,0001. a year; the
salary of .Seeretaty for the War- Dememeent was
also 4,0001. per annum. The Noble Viscount com-
plained in the House of Commons, in 1793. that be
was oppressed, and weighed down by the wastes:ski.
plicity of business; with n hid: he was loaded: He'
was told, that if he tott,t continue at the head of
the India Board and of toe WA, Dltaftlinellt, ha
need not be the Treasurer of the - The
Noble Viscriont, b .wirer, gave up the 'office of
Secretary of State—Why ?—bemuse it was parting
with one 40001..1 year that was borer of inereitse„
in preference to another that might be made prodhc-
tice ; the one was male, the other female ; ate one
produced :and brought filth increate, the ether
could not by possibility Jo so. Phis is a eietto tn.
stance, Sir, of so striking a 'atom, that 1 own I
cannot help b. lug suspicious be was a eartletpater
in •hese tr.msaaious. 11tis, Sir, laawe•er, *rals* the
principal ankh:. t( thaw
th. principal arm* has ATI e.dy were •
the House hay- decided on i', an.: if therewas not
one single tittle of charge more, it is absolutely ne- •
cestary, for est security an i peace of mind of the
public, that the I louse sh follow up their lends
proceedings, with as address to His Majesty, pray-
ing him to di,miss Lord Melville from all his Em-
ployments, from his councils, and presence, to
which he should never be ai.;ain admitted. It •
may, perhaps, be said, Sir, that having lost all his
places and their various emoluments, and received
the disgrace of being censtited by this House,
he has already been suthcient)y punished. Sirsas to
punishment, I declare that if Lord Melville were
alone concerned, were he only implicated in the
effetes of these transadions. after what has been
already done, I would be one of the first to say let
him go ; his sins be on his head; Be is not worth
our further notice : but that, Sir, is not the end and •
aim of punishment ; we that for the take of
example ; and the great ohj -et we have in view, is
to deter others from the commission of similar a&
fence;; and, it Lord Melville be suffered to escaee
further notice on his mere resignation. it may be an
encouragement to others to ad in a similar way.
'Fbe First Lord of the Admiralty, Sir, is not the only
place the Noble Viscount holds, either of trust, ho-
nour, or profit. Having withdrawn himself from
public affairs, as it was thought, tor by the
resignation of all his official sintatio.i.. he had
scarcely been long enough in his ietirenit.--. to have
found out the sweets of it, when he eias once more
called tomb into aftion, and placed in a situation
of the greatest trust add highest importahse
nest, indeed, to that filled by the R;ght Ho.
nonourable Gentlem in ( %Ir. Pitt) hint elf. But
with this he was not consented, anti aiwur re-
fined to accept it without an additional bona
of I,hool. a year ; and this was a gran for
of the Privy Seat of Sc'tland There was also to
be superadded to this, aunt/ter grant to Lady Mel-
ville, of the same sum fie her life ont of the public
money. lam sere, Sir, Ido not mean to lay the
smallest blame, or imputation on Lady Melville on
account of this grunt; all I wish to convey by is,
that it was given for no services done by Lord
Melville. What offices Lord Melville holds during
pleasure. beside those I have mentioned, I am sure
I do not know; but I do not suppose mese grants.
though for life, can be irrevocable, when made to a
person who is afterwards proved to have laded in
such a manner as to be altogether undeserving of
them. Under all these circumstances, Sir, having
taken up more of the time of the House on this occa,
sion than I ought, *fiat the great length at which L
trespassed on their attention the other night ; with
great iespea foe the Members of the House, many
of whom, that voted against me, may now perhaps
think it necessary and proper to vote with nu ; I
shall beg leave to conclude by moving—
" That an bond*. Ad.hes. be presented In His West's,
praying that His Majesty will be insetoosts Owed w redrew
Loot Viscount Kelvins feme all the ales, lut44 M was min
the Crown, and from Hie Inknotty's C,Aiiten. sod !resew,
1:o ever."
The question bai wog been read from the Chair;

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the topics which had been urged ost all , sides, from
those who brought forward and supported this MO.
tiou, there remained seaseehimrstere thehind ttren
what was suffered to appear in open view. The
Hon. Gentleman who brought it forward m ide it an
accusatiou as:tit-Ist Lord Melville, that he has ddne
every thing in his power to shew his respell fort and
to acquiesce in. and bow to the opinion of the House,
and that he deserves therefore to be followed up
with severity. He 4-,lintight this mode of argument
was the direct reverse of what it ought to be, and
• Renew himself the House would be of the same
opinion. The Hon. Gentleman had also particularly
addressed him, and asked whether he had yet dis-
missed Mr. 'Trotter? He had, he said, eeplathed
hitnailf on this stthjea the other night, and had in-
formed the House that he had not then dismissed
Alt. Trotter, because he thought it would be highly
urjuet to du so while this tneasure was pending. He
Was happy to think that odser opinions, for which he
should ever entertain the highest respell, coincided
with his own. and that they all agreed it
would not have bee* fit or proper that he,
who was at the head of an, office in which the
person accused held a secondary- situation, should
he the first to stigmatise him before the subjca
was investigated, and thereby throw a great
degree of odium on his charaeter, which might
operate very injuriously against him, in the
opinions of those before whom his conduc4 was
to be tried. He did not, therefore, at that time
dismiss him, but as soon a, the judgment of the
House was known on that suhjea, he did so. He
bad bowed with reverence and respect to their
opinion and decision, and Mr. Trotter was no
!eager Paymaster. The Right Honomnble Gentle-
man tvre adverted with great warmth to what had
been urged the other night by Mr. G. Pnnsonby
Mt this subj.-a; mid said, that it the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman wets then present, he hoped
be would some forward mid own, that if he then
sisoke as a British lawyer—aftuated by British prin-
ciples, and British sentiments—the opinions he then
delivered, and the harsh measures he recommended
to he adopted, were eft el, tyrannical, and despotic.
(Melee bit ricee.re ihe Mr sentences, the Right
Hee. (iewilfrosan .
c-p!..ed his right hand to fir..
eddy ow tie red blink ors the t ,hie, as to excir:r a rosietread
era, of /lase! Ater ! ) A second question,
he said, had been asked by the Hon. Gentles
man who made this metion : witether`Mt. Wilson
Irma dismissed ? to which he had answered no.
Mr. Wilson, he said, during the transadions alluded
are stood in the situatimt of aging occasionally
Ibis and tieing the duty of, the Paymaster, and, as'
such, he bed been obliged, in the course of perform-
ing that duty, to draw money on different occasions,
as circumstances might sceptre. When called upon
to answer before the Commissioners, it was natural
for hire to consider, that he might subjca himself
to the danger of pains and penalties, and therefore
he refused to answer. No charge whatever of his
having received any emolument or advantage from
any money he hid thus drawn, or being in any
manner implicated further in the transaftion, than
what be bad stated. had ever been urged against him,
and therefore, till this that he has done is determined
by a legal tribunal to be an ad of criminality,. he
should certainly retain him in the situation he had
held. As to what the Hon. Gent. ha-,i hinted at, as
to circumstances that wert mysterious, he could net
conceive, but thought it extremely mysterious and
incomprehensible to hear him attempt to make it
appear that what Lord Melville had done as an
all of humiliation, and to thew his respell fur
the opinion of the House, should be deemed a
mark of perverseness. He then observed, that
from what had passed on this night, he thought
it necessary to advert, to the pranke of the prin-
eiples of former periods ; and when the House ite
collected the warmth, energy, and manly eloquence,
with which the Noble Viscount exerted himself in
defending the char Aden of two Noble Commanders
(Earl St. Vincent and the present I. ird Grey, then
bir C. Grey), when they were attacked in that
House in I 795, by a motion for an inquiry into their
conduct ; when they called to mind the;zeal lie testi-
lied to rescue them, from all imputation, and the
eaultatioa with which he proposed and carried an
address of thanks to them for their eminent services,
they could not but be astonished to see with what
extreme eagerness, at the close of his political career,
Lord Mets ilk was art. mpted to be hunted down by
the friends of Earl St. Vincent and his colleagues.
Mr. GREY said, it was not his intention to have
offered any observations to the House on the present
occasion, bad it not been for the reproaches made by
the Right Hon. Gentleman against the relatives of
two Noble Lords (Grey and St. Vincent's), whose
battles in that House Lord Melville was represented
to have fought with such valour and success. He,
as one of the relatives of a certain Noble Lord al-
luded to. muss disclaim any obligations on that
score. The two Noble Lords had, indeed, been
accused by an Hon. Gentleman; but all that they
requestet!, all that they had occasion to tape& or
wilds aa the hands of the House was justice, and they
bad obtained it. Amongst the distinguished ser-
vices performed in the.course of the last war, theirs,
perhaps, were the most singularly eminent. They
were, however, accused of misconduct; and how
did they meet that accusation ? Did they fly from
trial ? Did they seek delay ? Had they recourse to
any subterfuge? Did they claim the prateatnn of
men in power? No; they met the charge man-
fully; they were defended, and, because their afeene
were found more deserving of applause than-centures
they were honourably acquitted But for that, he, on
the patent those Noble Lords, must disclaim even the
.acknowledgment of any obligation. land Melville
at that time moved the counter resolutions, seek%
reversed these against them, and gave them the
Arotthanks and • awn: of the House ; but he would
ask the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Pitt)
opposite to him, whether in the Antendmenr, which
composed these Resolutions, the mover did not er-
rs the sense of the House upon the subjea ? So
from admitting it to be any merit In Ministers,
they appointed to the come and of arduous and
important military

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a press
far fr
that'

teem, they would neglea nt ash run as
they ,Ehuugiff best mmtibat IWiiectlthAttal witch
success', with honour •td taailitivesrs aM glory
and advantage th their e=l. The,ltight Belo.
Gentleman therefore ap to him •ettre-rißly
tpplicatiou. There was not, u
1110 lea i sivisitirity in' the two
situations. The charges against Lord Melville
were substantiated by a majority the most respea-
able, con.idering the high quarter from whence it
came. He did not then recollect what the majori-
tywas on the other, but he well remembered that
the minority was no more than Sixteen Havink
been induced to say thus much in reference to the
ill-judged and ill-timed provocation given him, he
would now say, in reference to the sulijea mote im-
mediately before them, that it was not in his nature,
nor, he believed, in that of his Hen. Friend (Mr.
Whitbread), to cherish a personalresentment against
any man, and he disclaimed having any against the
Noble Lord who was the obje& of this Motion.—
His lion. Friend had shown none of that bitterness
which was the character of resentment, and, without
any vindictive motives whatever, only submitted the
propriety of following up what the House had al-
ready decided. For his own part, he thought it
impossible for the House to stop here, and suffer the
Resolutions to remain upon its Journals. The Right'
Hon. Gent. who spoke last, without having recourse'
to any argument, was by no means wanting in mis-
representation. His Hon. Friend did not, as was
said, state the resignation of Lord Melville to be as
aggravation or his offences, but that it was not fief
&tet to satisfy the justice of the case. There eer- '
tainly could he no great merit in his resignation ;
for were that. Noble Lard to have met them this
day. as first Lord of the Admiralty, the charge
would he upon the heads of His Majesty's Minis-
ters. The Right flan. Gentleman, however, seemed
surprised that we should espea the resolutions of
that kl• use to be a bar to Lord Melville's ever again
siding any confidential situation; but, if such was
the sentiment of His Majesty's Ministers upon the
subjea, it surely afforded the strongest argument,
why the House should have a seem ity fir his now
being so employed, by concurring in the Address
now proposed to them. Though Lord Melville had
rroigned one of his situations, he was still a Privy
Counsellor, and therefore the honour and consistency
of the House required, that they, should take such
measures as were most likely to produce his dismis-
sql from it. The Noble Lord had indeed taken care
to secure to himself some places for life; but there
were ethers which he only held at the will of the
Crown ; and he asked, whether the honour of the
I booze would allow him to retain for a while, and,
after all his delinquency, these pensions s and
emoluments? The charge by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man against his Hon. Friend (Mr. G. Ponsonby),
behind him, of tyrannical and despotic doctrines,
was perfeelly unfounded. His Hon. Friend has(
stated, that it would be necessary to take measures
for securing the appearance of the off nders, to
answer the charges against them, and in that he
was perfectly correl, and justified by all legal ana-
logy. In all cases, where a roan was accused of an
offence, it provided, that he should be secured, to
abide the issue ; but this was more than a simple
accusation ; for Lord Melville and Mr. Trotter were
already faund guilty, aril, after the Report of the
Commissioners, neither of them should have been
one moment longer suffered to continue in any place
of trust. He concluded by observing, that as no-
thing had hitherto been said in opposition to the
motion, which in any way could apply to the reason
of the House, he was Oe:ermined to support it.
Mr. G. PONSONBY—" I rise, Sir, in conse-
quence of the general allusion which the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman has been pleased to make to
me, and think it the more incumbent on me to de
as the good opinion of the House of Commons,
which has ever been dear to Imo is now doubly en-
deared, by the august and venerable elevation to
which the character of this great assembly has, by
its vote of Monday last, been justly raised, in the
grateful estimation of its Constituents. The Right
Hon. Gentleman was pleased to say, that, were 1 a
British Lawyer, I never would have expressed such
harsh and tyrannical opinions. I am, Sir, however,
a little the more reconciled to these opinions, as a
Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite me
(the Master of the Ro is), a to s toned to preside in
one of the higher tii weals of this country, with
great honour to himself, and equal advantage to the
public, and whose. setoiments on legal, as well as
all other stilled', are constantly received by this
House with tne greatest deference, did not, in that
discussion, think them unworthy of his attention.
In the estimation, however, of the Right Hon.
Gentleman, I am no:, it seems, to be deemed as a
Br tith Lawyer. Sir, I will oil that Right I lon.
Gentleman, that 1 am not ashamed of my country,
and, I hope, my country is not ashamed of me. If
he sets so high and exclusive a value upon British
blood, and every thing else that is British, I may,
perhaps, be very little o'ljeetionableon that account;
for, perhaps, I have as bo id British blood flowing
in my veins, as can be boasted of by that Right
Hosoerabie elentteMitt.- Thistle I have not had
the talents that could have raised me at so early a
period of life to so exalted and lucrative a station,
yet, at this late period, he has been the 'first to in-
vest me with tl.e charadtcr of bring the advocate of
tyranny and despot ern. By my having said, that the
Right Hon. Gentleman's having continued Mr.
Totter in office, must have proceeded from the
conscious sense he had of that Gentleman's inno-
cen:e ; I do not consider myself to have advanced
any thing irrational—tor surely he would not have
aged in a very unconstitutional manner, it; while
those proceedings were pending, and the report of the
committee suspended over the head of ?dr. Trot-
ter, he had, for that interval at least, suspended him
in the execution of a trust which he was charged
with having so egregiously abused. Sir, with all
the respell and 'reverence that I must bear for so
yoting a man, id so high and confidential a situa-
tion, I should wish him to confine himself to what
I Anay did say; for, much as I admire his wonder-
ful talents at so early an age, I assure him that I am
not se ambitious as to wish that he should make
speeches for me. To come now to the immediate
question, I must confe‘s, that however right it may
follow up the late resolutions by an address to
Majesty, if I had the official and authentic seem-
that the resignation of Lord Melville would be
' of his pdhtical existence. I should be dispos-
acquieue in the suggestisto that this subjett

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unfortunate in this

Such at. ugh
Lord Melville had now resigned his office, there is
no security against his being again restored to it,
for the Right Hon. Gent. would find no difficulty,
by means of the press, to represent Lord Melville as
an injured men, a vi rim to party pokes, that
the charges were aggravated, that he had not a
fair ti ial, that he was not heard in his own defence.
Sm. and if these representations made any impres-
sion during the recess, the House need not be. sur.
prised at' finding Lord Melvilleagain in office at the
next meeting of Parliament. If any. roan of autho-
rity would undertake that Lord Melville would bow
before the House of Parliament, retire from the po-
litical, and be heard of no more, I would not
insist upon proceeding ; but hitherto he found no
person willing to give any mch security. With re-
speet to the peculations, it surely was not to be ex-
pefted that die public money should be suffered to
remain in the hands of the delinquents, and they
not be called upon to refund : that is a thing which
I, for one, never will agree to. I will make no such
compromise; and, however tenderly I may be dis-
posed, in this instance, to treat the Noble Lord,
with whom, at the same time, I never had the ho-
nour of exchanging a word in my life, I am inflexi-
bly determined to use every exertion in my power,
that the money thus so illegally appropriated to the
personal use of the delinquents shall be refunded to
the public. IVith respell to the Right Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) himself, though I wiU not
prematurely bring, at this time, a dire& charge
against him, yet I cannot avoid seeing that there is
a serious charge of criminal laxity in the proceed-
ings of the Treasury upon the Report, and there-
fore must contend that there should be an investiga-
tion into the conduit of the superior, as well as into
that of the inferior officers."
Mr. CANNING explained, that what he said in
regard to the return of Lord Melville to office was,
that it would not take place as long as the Resolu-
tions remained unrescinded.
Mr. It. THORNTON stated, that a letter had
been sent some time since, by Mr. Canning to the
Bank of England, prohibiting the issue of any mo-
ney to Mr. Trotter or Mr. Wilson, without an older
signed by himself, which had been striely com-
plied with. He also explained that, from the time
when Lord Melville came into the office of Trea-
surer of the Navy, in 1786, down to the year 1793,
no sums were issued from the Bank to the Paymaster
without the purpose for which it was wanted being
specified, bur since that time to the year 1803, a
contrary practice had prevailed. He said he had
been near twenty years a Member cf that House, and
never in his lifs*ave a more painful vote than that
which he gave in favour of the resolutions, because
he thought he connived at those practices; but as
there was no proof of his baying done so, from cor-
rupt motives, he was determined to vote against the
present motion.
Mr. BARHAM said, that when he accused two
Noble Lords (St. Vincent and Grey) of misconduct
in the West Indies, on a former occasion, he did it
from the information of others, and not from any
personal hostility, as they themselves knew, but in
discharge of the most painful duty of his life.
As to the present motion, he said, he should support
it, hoping dirt a man, so stigmatised by the resolu-
tions et the House of Comi,Jos. would not be re-
tained in His Majesty's Privy Council. •
Mr. BANKES said, that a:, he had not the ho-
nour of any personal acquaintance with the Hon.
Mover of this measure, he could not presume to
offer him his advice ; but if he may be so per-
mitted, he should recommend to him to withdraw
his motion. and not press it at this time ; for the
very same reasons which induced him .to support
the resolutions, would now determine him to vote
against the Address. It was, lie thought, a s:.l3i-
cient humiliation of Lord Melville, that he had been
compelled to resign ; and his having done so, proba-
bly preceded any thing in the way of dismissal which
might have been intended by Nis Majesty or I.is
Mi-
nist He SA w no probability whatever that the No-
ble Lord could be restored to office while the enquiry
WAS pending, and, therefore, he thought the motion
WAS unnecessary. This was not the time for such a
proceeding, as, perhaps, something or even
an impeachment, might hereafter be the result of
the enquiry. He did not know that there was any
precedent for such a proceeding, as, when discus-
sions took place for similar addresses against Sir
Robert Walpole, Lord Ranelagh, and others, those
persons were in office at the time, which was not the
ease at present with Lord Melville. •
Mr. WINDHAM observed, that he stood at pre-
sent in his usual predicament, in relation to the Hon...
Gentleman who spoke last, fur they were scarcely
ever on the same side, though they were fre-
quently on the same bench. if be thought that the
ends of substantial justice should otherwise be
answered, he had much rather that the present
motion had not been brought forward, but as he now
found it formally before him, he must, even in con-
sistency, support it. He thought. however, that due
decorum to the former decision of the House requir-
ed that this should now pioceed, and particularly as
some surprise seemed to be expressed at the opinion
that the resolutions of themselves would exclude the
return of Lord Melville to office If private motives
of regard could be suffered, he should be inclined to
adopt that mode which was thought the most lenient,
but he found chit was not to be done with security
to the objeet of the Resolutions. 11 was true, this
was a corollary upon the Resolutions, hut the mean-
ing of that corollary was, that Lord Melville should
remain out of office, and be excluded hum His Ma-
jesty's Council for ever, which objeet was no: com-
pletely satisfied by the process of al.: former :tel. Be
that as it may, he must for one contend, that in the
discussion of the former night, the House had the
whole case substantially before them, othrrwi e Ire
would not have agreed to the Resolutions, for it
would then have been a determination on a case im-
perfeelly proved. He did not conceive diem to have
then sated as it they were on a future occasion to be
called upon to revise or rescind their own judgment.
From that judgment it resulted that sentence had
been pronounced upon Lord Melville, that he was
not a fit per sou either to remain in office, or ever to

nietual CO•,r ..inns been leagued with 'tEbiepi'mot
powerful; and against such a man and so poef.ft.
fully supported, it became the duty of the
.11 oir
Commons to take the most rational security it eoeld
obtain, that the same thing should not happen
which did in the case of Lard George Sackville
who, after having been dismissed from His Ms.
jesty's service, by the sentence of a court martial,
was afterwards placed in the high and iraporpse
office of Secretary of State. The Gentlemen on the
opposite side, while they recommended moderation,
seemed very anxious also to deprecate any thing
of passion; but by the attitudes, gestures, rani;
and fury of the Right Honourable Gentle
man
(41r. Canning) on the Treasury Bench, he seemed
gate to have forgotten his own admonition, and ex-
hibited a passion of the most animated kind. As to
limed'', he declared that he had no passion, no mo-
tive of any kind. but to do that which he thought he
ought to do.
lie wished the House of Commons
not to relax in its discipline, not to tarnish its fall-
blown honours, not to spoil the gloss of those !nag-
nascent robes with which their late evaded had in-
vested them. The Horse should not en soon forget
that it had undergone an honourable reformation in
thepublic opinion; and though he should ever profess
himself one of those who were determined always
to reprobate regard being paid to popular
clamour ; yet he could never cease to venerate
public opinion, and to be highly sensible of its va-
lue. The distindion was wide between that sense
of reform which public clamour might call for, and
that honourable reformation which served to conci-
liate the good opinion of the public. One of the
highest charges against Lord Melville was that his
condua was such as must necessarily shock the opi-
nion of the public, and one of the highest orna-
ments of the I louse of Commons was, that by the
respedable decision of the Chair they had iecalled
it to themselves. Laying all corrupt motives on the
part of that Noble Lord out of their minds, they
must see that his Lordship had put the House of
Commons in that situation that it could not avoid
pronouncing a strong judgment uppn him, without
renouncing all pretensions to the confidence of the
public. The House was not now to consider itself
merely in the situation of a court of justice, but
found itself called upon to a@ on the more en-
larged principles both of law and jurisprudence.
They were to condaa themselves without fear
or favour, and to provide that the great (;corer
and inluence which Lord Malvilie might ac-
quire by a restoration to offize, sh sold .oe, with
the assistance of his nitmerous friends, itoo— •-ei with
and paralyse all their future proceedings. Alter
all, however, if he could have any suffi ient secu-
rity that Lord Melville should not be restored to
office; and that such was to be the effea of the Re.
solutions already voted, he should not obstinately
press for a division on the present Motion.
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER—
" I rise, :air. merely for the purpose of expressing
my sense and understanding of the present state of
this subjeft, and not by any means to injure the m
-
tits of the motion which what 1 havenow to offer meal
perhaps render uunecessaty ; I cannot but hope, that
the House will have the same feeling on this sub-
jea, which was expressed in the conclusion of the
speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke
last. I confidently trust, that the generous senti-
ments of liberality and tenderness of sparing the
leel:nys of the Noble Viscount, in so new and
humiliating a situation, will be adopted. They
will. I expea, be satisfied with hearing, that while
the present resolutions appear upon the Jour-
nak of the House, all thoughts of Lord Mel-
ville's restoration to power or office must be totaliy
at an end. If, however, in the subsequent course
of the proc?edings, the House should be of a dif-
ferent opinion, and vote that the present resolutions
should be rescinded, it must naturally follow, that
the disqualification of t le Noble Lord will cease,
when the ch urges disappear but the only thing
that excited my surprise was, that while these
resolutions existed and other proceedings pending,
such a motion as the present should have been
thought necessary, for surely, under the prese.ecir-
cunistances, it would be impossible lbr any Minister
to advise f lit Majesty to cenfsr any employment
upon the Noble Visc stmt. The only d.fLa-ence be-
tween us i 5, therefore, in the mode of following op
the resolutions, for while they remain there. can be
no difference as to the consequence.."
Mr. FOX—" The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bankes)
seems to me to have mistaken the proceedings on a
former night, at least with regard to their import.
He says, if the resolution now ornposed had been
moved upon that occasion, he should hive been dis
posed to vote for it as a carollary to that sropesi-
then, but that the state of the question fie; heen. al-
tered by what has taken place sieze that Now
it must be in the recollection of the House, that the
iti
time
ghtt
that it wasi Hon. Gentleman
nmaont su Pitt)
opposite (Mr. tlmlid at
the of
great a magnitude at so late an hour of the night.
In this recommendation I acquiesced, because I .10
not appitave of the prattler of introducing motions
of importance at an unseasonable time, although I
admit I may be as guilty of that prattles as any
man. However, when I did so yield to the sug•
gestion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, I did not e. -
derstand him as hinting in the ramotest dcgl 't
what has since passed, and making meth ea:m.1191)1)A
agreement fur delaying the business. I did not ssy
i.or insinua:e that the thistle would be satis`,ed with
the resignation of Lord Melville. I did, no doubt,
tsiamyethist in
such a wayMiifi.ters might
l aig! mightndarender
their dutyit in the meo;;
. to propose any measure for the removal of Lord
Melville ; bet I Was not looking to any coarse whirls
Lord Melville might chus: for himself. If thtii we
hive lost the vote of the lion. Gentleman, IL IS riot
beanie we have varied our coodun, or on tfcstioa
of f any
yield tthn
oiag
n thataig.hawosatc
ade
nfacA.e.,,Hb. t
at
ncec
con-
senteded to the delay proposed by the Right Huo•
Gentlemen (Mr. Pitt). Sir, with ragaid W
,the
speech of a flight M L
Hun.
ember opposite (Mr. Cat
s•
at is so weak and irrelevant, I can scarc7
consider it as wen notice. It looks a; if the p!

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Mr. CANNING rose and said. that he could sot
hap feeling, notwithstanding the variety of profes.
sions that were nude as to the subjeEt now under
rf"41111""""1 .III"lifraill""a"""r"7""1"ir-
eonsictetßtion of the House, that, in the midst of

important military enterpcius, men profesuing dif- be to hil
ferences with them in political opinions, that he His Maj
should cencure it to be tine of the severest ani most city that
heinous charges that could be brought against any the end
Ittinistotc, to rah that, os account of political differ- ed to a
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But I cannot so be employed hereafter. .*The Howe must Is air" st
makiot be presseil „say farther.
A •ea • account for Me great anziett prevailing upon that Lord Melville was a maa who had.
he.
y tLis 1514 odtheither "Side of the Houtc, pehen I succession of years, filled situations of great souk.
D. iiscolted that, in Ibis Adrinistration pf the Right .dour and asthonty; that he b;d means of beams_
Iy Hon. Gent. ( Mr. Pitt), it has not been a very unpre- ing the most extensive patronage
si
u cedented thing for persons to be struck off the List commas& in-the land; that eas.ussmaded.hr A
fis of Privy Counsellors, against whom there were no most numerous friends and relations; and ;het he F
le such resolutions as these now before us. Though had long, by the closest ties of friendship, awl
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