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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Irish IVerelnyttsieg Ball to rend a third time and
The ',nun invoc ATE of Sewn,' Ur/ gate notice that he
would, oil dimples next, move for Wive to bring ins Mil to
regulate the public Records of Scotland.
The Irish Wool Exportation Prohibition Bill was read a
woad time, and ordered to ►e ermainitted Ginorroa•.

Roor bo)agbt up a Petitiaa from the Trustees of the
Utah Aluaeaot, praying fur l'arlittmeotaty aid.-Ordered
to lia WI the Table.

Mr. aqblt: pmentert some farther Estiontes of miser,-
lattootts seeders —Ctr,lered to Ile on the Table.

On the ntotiou of :Ir. 11Proirsoe, the variant ./tesolu.
Code of the Cornea:nee of Supply were severally read ILari
agreed ta.
Mr.:4'il*ttrae tweatzllt up the Report of the Cossenhtee
of Ways n... 1 Meaas. The Result-110as were also eeretally
rsodsami egret,' to.

LTAion that Resolution which related to the al-
teratio.i of fhe Game Laws, the Cu A NCI: 1.1.0 R of
tilt 'ACHE/Mil, by way of further explanation,
said, that the new regtilatio,i extended' only to
the right of shooting!' obits, not iu warrens.

Mr:Ca tenarr as—ked, if it also extended to the
right of shooting toparrowa, and any othar birds-of
that description.? *—

Tothis uo answer was made.

Mr. CALVERT said, that rabbits were a great
nuisance, and that farmers ought to br allowed to
ahodt tiwin neon their own grout.dr.

MISRFPftVIENTATION,

The Um. Mr. !hart ‘VET.I.csLgv, in a Tow
tone or v,•ict, which was ahm.st inaudib e to the
• Gallery, complained of a misr*Tresentaticts of an
I lowsuralik Gentleman's speech, upon °tension of
.the late iiehAte upon granting conspensatioa to the
is;ali:l's of Oude, contained in a NiOrTlillK
%V hat wasshrrein stated, was wholly contrarlietory
of what had been ar•tnalls• set forth, uptin that oe-
cmi.m, liy the Honourable Gentleman to wheat he
alludvd, and highly injutious to his Noble relation,
the Marquis Wellesley. Jte was sure that the
lloose wound not sutler such tnistoteusents to poss
unnoticed, upon considering their pernicious ua-
Aare.

The SriasitEit inquired, if the House were to
understand the Honourable Gentleman meant to '
tahe soy proceeding upon this co.anlaiot
Mr. RoaaitT Titolorrort. twos this. rose and
. said, that he supposed the Honourable Gentleman
was alluding to what ;Jul been stated in a morning
paper, which As (Mr. 'fliortiton) was in the habit
of readiag, as.what had been said by him. Upon
reading it, he certainly: was struck with the strange-
sess,of the misrepresentation of what had !awed
upon thatseeation. lie was sorry to And that the
words of that statement woukticnply that he had
imputed some personal insinuation to- the Noble
" Martinis, who was pertly die subject of the other
evening's debate. He only went the length of im-
puting the circitmetsitices to that Noble Maninis's
public conduct, cud was particularly cautitius not
•to add.. any thing personal. He could not help
, thinking that the Editor had certainly reported his
speech cluinsily ; but he hoped that it would now
reach the Noble Marquis,• and the public., that he
bad not stated any thing of a per oral nature.
The Sreatifia stated, that no publication of the
debates of the House, however much they may
hare been tolerated, could be ps.ced over when
any oomplaint was made. It was the duty of 'the
Wiese itself to set limits to that toleration ; but if
the Hononrable' Gentleman meant to found no
proereiin upon the complaint lie had stated. then
it might be thought that he had gone far enon,ili
in his olosersations.

Mr. HORIM THrOaNTON was proceeding to
make scow. citrther obsiervettioos, whet% the SPEAKER

said the 'natter had already ,z-me far etionzli, when
there was no question actually before the House.

DAR DA ri.us.

Earl TLAIPLZ T.,l**C, and expressed a wish to
knew alien an 11:niourstiAe Genticusan opposite
(Mr. Taylor) meant to liwing ft:lrwin-4 Amy to•uiou
relative to the I)smia!ael:e3, founded upon the
papers already before the House? •

Mr. Ronskr To rt.o■ airtwervil, that he would
bring. his4viotiou forward upon the tiros day after
the Holidays. •
Miter AOMP further comereation, it was ultimate-
ly fixed for Thurtolay, the ith of May.
IRISH RECOGNI7.ANCEI.

Sir ARTIIUR %V ELLFALAY, in pur,itanee of his
notice, roar and stated Isis reasons shortly for his
intended sootiest open this subject. Ile accord-
ingly mitred, for leave to bring in a Bdl to &intend
the Laws now in force in Irelneid, relating to per-
sons entering into rerw,filizances in Criminal Cnses,
in order that they should be taken into custody, or
punished by fine, ittion forfeiture of their recog-
nisunees."—Leave given.
Sir A RTHUE. WELLTSLTY then broseiht tip the
said Bill. whieh was read a first time ; and upon
the question that. it be mai a seco”(1 tinir.
Mr. TAYLOR inquired if it v. as isstended to melee
the same regulations emend to the (.'siurt of Ex-
chequer, as well as to other Courts, and to what
were the forfeitures to he applied::
Sir ARTHUR Wr.t.t.E.l.Er stated. that reengisi-
tances in the Exchequer iii Ireland were not the
same a 3 those here, nail therefore it was necessary
to snake some alteration. As to the application
of forfeitures, he might state, that they were ap-
plied to snaking rtisels, and other useful public pur-
poses.
Sir JOSN' NEWPORT +AM, it WV% nore..l43Ty that
beim* the Bill should pass, it should be fully di,-
cussed, in order to ;;-sst the ends oj justice secured.
is they were at present perpetssaily evaded. The
Right Lion. Baronet then suggested eora

ties ant 1.1.16itt probably occur, and wind% onglit
to i.e guarded sAninst.
Air tfnTnea Wt.t.i.s.siatinisni,L, runty assure
the Right 1-lon.Baruott that he h,d hrottht in this
witl tasyi t conaulting persona in Ireland.
It was his intentior. to appoint ',he second readnig
for Th:lrsduy lie..t, and he shoitH then be willing
in intro roes any r.Torin that could be fotgeresteit.
The bobine,o of the As•izeti 1:4on„o eouratott,4, it
was not to' Le ut that abuses have

crept in.
PARTiFT.I. was of opinion. that in eases of
such iui?ortaln as this. was, the best way would
he to a lopt that mode of procedure, which we
hail already Emmet answered the purpose. He
knew n.l rea,on wliv we should not adopt that pi-ac-
tive which was followed in England, if that was
tianiqlit to be successful. In all cases where any
alteration iu the laws of Ireland became iweesgory,
it should he zi part of the genet...Ll sy.tain,
siinil eta thew in both countries. This was only
pointing the esicrilee and import of the Union,
which were sitte!c inteinkd to give us all those ad-
vantages in the u•Lninistration ofjustiee in Ireland,
which existed her:.
The Bill was ordered to be raid a second
tune on Tharsdly

TVIN LAWS.

Mr. C. W. W. lA' v NNE, 111 consequence of his
previous notice, rose to.move for a document, which
he deceits! imeeseery to found a subsequent motion,
to amend the laws relating to contesl-ed alertions.
Ile meant to cull for a copy of the miuntes of the
Committee upon the b:lectiou for the County of
Susses, whose resolution was founded upon n pre-
vious of the House, which passed
usually upon the first day of every Sessino, ac-
cording to the regulations of Mr. Cfremille's Act.
By the Resolution of that Committee, Mr. Sergi-
son. the Petitioner, could not be licanl, on lireollilt
of that previous Resolutions:if the House, out Mr.
Fuller, notwithstanding his refusal to defeui his
.sett, was dectarest duly elected. This, therefore,
was issubject of eosuplituit, which he wished to huve
rectified by the formal adoption of some measure
for that purpose. Nothing could be further from
his intention than going into the consideration of
Mr. Ser,6•=oli's Petition, or attempting to throw the
smallest blame upon the Committee that deter-
mined upon fibs merits. His only object was to
prevent the recurrence of a derision funnded upon
such a itesubition, by some subsequent motion,
during next Session of Parliament. The Hon.
Gentleamn thew concluded, with mooring for " a
Copy of the 'Minutes of the Sussex Election Corn-
tnittee, sofar ses relates to Mr. Sergison's Petition."
The CH tsiciitt.on of the IfilienEQUi:R stated, '
that whea the notice for tins motion was given, it
appeansl to him of a' very novel nature, and he
was still of that Mlle opinion. Vi ben he
consoler-
ed the nature of it, he was inclined to think, that
the House should hare a siroirnser statement of
facts, before tl•ey a mild be imiuced to lister
to &itch n pmprssitiou. He was not awure of soy
Instance horitig ocourred, where the House ever
called for the prod fiction of the proceedings of a
Committee. He could not see any necessity for
forninhilig those proevedings, in orchir to enable
the Honourable Gentleman to take any measure
upon the nisuer, either during this or the sub-
sequent Session of Parliament. It would undoubt-
edly be establishing a had precedent , and en.
abluig the House to call for the proceedings of
other Committee., any occasion, hones-sr
trivial. If the Honourable Gentleman swami to
bring forward any mesesure upou *the subject, to
rectify any -abuse complained of, he had only to
propose tiringing forward a Bill for that purports,
and state his grounds for ouch a proceeding.
Sir AILTHUR Pionorr spoke in favour of the mo-
tion, as he thought it wits Hecessan to have a re-
"sort of the proceedings of a Counnlttee who bad
given &decision fouudcd npou the very stlatpie coin-
plaiued of. Befoni the House could alter the law,
they must have evidence of the medium through
which they caine to that resolution. This was only
for the purpose of having the necessary infonat-
• tion, and he was surprised to hear it objected to.
Mr. 'ruins said, that. he can far from being
inclined to throw the least reflection upon thin
Cominitte but lie could not help thinking. that
by the previous Resolution of the Mtn they
were placel in a very novel and unpleasant situa-
tion ; for, under all circumstances, they could pur-
sue no ot'ser course than thut they had done. As
he supposed that many 'Members knew nothing of
the circumstance* of 'this case, he should brivfly
state them. in (sofa. to point out the propriety of
this alterati-ot. There was a Resolusioe. pawed
eri.ry ses•ion, owing, that the petiti,:iiing
cuudi-
date should exchange list, with the sitting 'Slumber
within a gaited period. Mr. Fuller, the sitting
Mu that he slid not mean to defend

bin sent, and therefore tlic• h.ruuclitt of txclianging
lists %instils's...melt with. ll'pon this a discusftiou
•rOlie, the I 1.0tt..c trer;uf i the Motion for
exeliont4ite. Iretoccit ti:r Petitioner owl the
Sitting :.trecO-r r ; met the I;i4lit lion. (Sonde-
mm opiro,tte *Md, t bat the Committee elinuld not
be is I by any thin' that hiet passed in the !louse.
After that, the Petition '.vas, tinder the Grenville
Act, referred to a ( 'cm mit fce, to attertain whetter
it W:e• the one or due other tile itnA dilly elected, or
that the election W:11t1 Vlll4l. The Petnimier's(!minscl
aceoolinglt teteilered iu the Committee a list of
rotes which w.,re objectiimalile, hot it we* argitc.l
, the Coterie! for the lilt tueg :111.111)We, ,\I r.
Sergison gut e tin evirlcr,ee to set *bide the
sitting Memlier, as the lists le,cl not
changed in dote time, according to the Act.
They fonicl themselves bound, by their oaths,
to try the beftre them; at the
•tnne time; hound tri t precious Ite.ollition of
the House, to act in a contrary inamicr. lo that
situation 31r. Sergiaon war entirely defeated, al-
thongli he had c itered into a reeognizanee of 4001.
to try his Petition. It was iml os,iblr, therefore,
for the Committee to say, whether the one or the
other of these ('andidates was duly elected, or.
whether the eb•etion was' alto.eiliar void. "Ir.
Fidler lied a majority of 57 vote. over Mr. Ser-
gitoitt but the litter gentleman olijectt'd to upwards
of to') vote. of the former. .Many
sgeotleinen of
the Omni:tee felt the same difficulty with himself
(Mr. Tierney) but yet the Committee had to come
to this Resolution, natoely—" 'not the Committee
came to this determination, in consequence of the
Rasolatioa of the lluum of Commons, upon the

421 of January, their Standing Order, and the
Vote as to eschatiging lists, passed on Itth
3larch ; that, they felt themselves. under the neees-
sity of excluding all evidence as to the legality of
Mr. Fuller's rotes, itud were obliged to 4eclarc Mr.
Fuller duly electerl." NVits it not incumbent then
for tlo Liouse to do something to rectify this ex-
isting error ia their proceedings? It was, indeed,
sometimes tilt practice to pass Bills first, and after-
wards ;4-ire -the reasons for doing so ; but could
there he any argument used fur adopting this plan
is the precut iiaminee ? The whole object of this
via-. to lay .dow u a rule as to demanding lists
in county elections within a certain period. Mr,
Fuller laul at MA refused to defend his seat, but it
was Mteralrils defended far him. Was it not an
import:tot con ‘iderution, that if Mr. Sirgison had
been nlloweil to adduce his evidence, he would hare
been the Satin; Member ?
Sir Titt»i is TLItEJN expressed his conviction
of the existing error, but thought it would lie e,ita-
-1.:,-iting x bil.l precedent for future infringements
of the Crearille Act, to produce the proceedings
of, a Committee. It .wotild be taking the autho-
rity of tile Committee out of their hands.

. ..
Earl Ti.nrt.a observed, thnt if the Act called
the Ara were good for any thing, it was
for Cie purpose of excluding all interference of the
Muse with Committees. It was to prevent the
recurrence of that in: \invenience, that his lion.
Friend and Relation had brought forward his mo-
tion. The verbal stutement of the grounds on
which the Connaittee decided might Le perfectly
ainistlietory to hint and a few others ; but unlebs
the proceedings, as taken by a short-hand writer,
were leid before the House, how -could they in
general be convinced of the accuracy of the state-
ment

Mr. 01.4 HAAS that the tan!. wSich pro-
riti.eed the re,olution of the Committee was, that
the Petitimier had iitit complied with the rules of
the !louse, as to returning lists; a rule esta-
blished since the )aar 1:7118, and therektre was not
entitled in a scottiny. lie was extremely sorry to
find that the Sossex Committee should have been
made the subject of animadversion and even sof
relleation.

?.k. Pot:swor argued, that there was no re-
flection iutended to Le tast upon the Committee ;
but even if it acre se, it a ould appear that the
hew could not Le remedied without it.

A diri,ion took place, when there appearetl—
Iguisizt the 3tutioa, s6—For it, 29—Majority, 21.
CO3IMITTEE OP FINANCE..
_ _ _

Mr. EICODULPH rose and addressed the House :
Mr. Speaker, I rise in pursuance of my notice,
on a subject which i., of the. utmost importaiire to
this Ilomie tied the country. It is no less a concern
than the regulation of that assemblage of men, to
whom the public, at this important and threatening
crisis of adisirs, look fur courisetand protectjon. To
advise the nation ou subjects of economy and re-
form, ever requires the utmost prudence mid
On the isomiction 1 entertain of this,
most imperious necessity, I entreat the attention of
the Hmise to a few statements and olssertatimin I
have to make on the present constitution of the.
Committee of Finance. I have ever considered it
of the greatest posaible advantage to the commu-
nity-, that a Committee oppointottto examine into
the Ileet'Ati3ry expenditure. of the country, at a ono-
meet of the ntmost possible, exigence, and the isis-
sible isi Milli within its reach, of auswerieg those- tie-
nientiti, should be funned in such a manner, as that
the public Amid entertain no pi:indite suspicion
of the existence of Liu?, mismanagement in its
formation. When the Hon. Member's name is
kuswn to whom this present motion alludes, I most
cosiviotted no man in this House will, fur a trio-
meut, suspect me of an intention of personally or
• invidiously attacking that respectable character.—
Mr-potion goes no further • than the general
grounds of-objection, sanctioned and supported by
the opiuicia of the public and the constitution of
this flee and enlightened country. It objects,
and that on the most constitutional preinis.!s, to
the continuance of a Chairman of Committees
of Ways and Means, as a member also of a Com-
mittee of thimicial regulations and retrench-
ments. No man iu thiii flowie entertains a higher
°pillion of the character which now fills that situa-
tion ; yet, Sir, I feel it an imperious call of duty,
to declare tio man is more unfit to fill a situation in
the Committee cf Finance. In the original insti-
tution of this-body of men, it was mask/tithed as a
maxim, to which uniform custom has since given
el- most undisputed sunctiou, that no Sheinber. of
this !louse, Who enjoyed any office of emolument
unikr Government, should be admitted a Mem-
ber. This IlaY been so generally understood,
awl so expressly supported by public opinion, that,
tie a former occasion, when a Noble Viscount,
(late a servant of his Alajesty,) hat been appointed
a Member of this Committee, lie conceived so great
compliment could only he paid him at the expense
of the usual forms of the Constitution, and, us a
matter of course, resigurd his situation, as far as it
might lie 511;1pr:sell to affect their deliberations and
retoltitioas, by totally aletenting himself from the
Committee of Fioatice. Nothing can be inure de-
cisive thou such an authority. And to this line of
conduct was lie impelled Sy that high sense of lei-
mane gull sltoorum, which has ever marked his
public (-swirl-. He felt he might, periiapo,
he solos ter( of partiality; and he so vio-
lently revolted at the idea, that the country
might entertain a suspicion of his motives, or the
proportion of his public exertions, as be then pus-
messed a sinecure situation, that he tirturitioly re-
solved to follow the dictate, of tnat heart, which, in
all the various changm of time, ciretunstunce. and
situation, never once has failed to lead hint to sa-
crifice his interests, his cinhition Anil hie power, to
the support of the principles of the Constitution,
and the nelfare of his country. Yet suet, a nomi-
nation was not without precedent, if the Noble
Vissomit bud wished to slicker himself beneath its
protection. h the Committee of Finance appriiiited
ill the year 17507, a silnilar upiwim t went had tale!'
-place., and the appointment had been retaiiied. I
will mit preteed to argue the ineompetence of that
Committee to make and maintain such a norni-
natio:•. Their 4 Report, which I Believe is now nit
pier table, will, I think,t be the best possible
guide to your decision on that lie.el. But this far
is indisputably evident, that the (701111111 tire WWI
so fanned in imposition to the intentiou of the
, iilnver of that Committee. lem well apprised of

the grounds on which the !lon.
Aill Lc conducted. The first tv•
uenerally received idea, that the
tounniitee or Ways and Meat
that situation by the appointru,
jesty's Ministers, but by the voi'
The Resolution I have the

for the adoption of the House,
rare should be so framed as tr
fact. Vet. let the observe, in to
jectiou, it is rather too well kni
tion in the election, or rather re
it may be called, crones seeur;
from the opposite side of the
well understood, at least *merit
',lave of Chairman of the Comtni
-Means is absolutely within the
Chaiseell.ir of the T....chequer. (
der Order ! Awn the Mixin
Ilumce.) I repeat it—the recote
nem( proceeds from tit.- opposite
and we, fur the itioet part, find
accede to the iuclinatione and
power. Whatever mar he th
_Gentlemen opposite, I fisel it a
this seasonable advice, that t'
Committee of Finance should
of the reach of temptation ;
they should be net only free fro,
from any imputation or suspicir
is once allowed that a tnetnber
of Finance may be appointed to.
meat, Ind retain his situation
tee, it may happen, is the co,
that out of ,25 Members nominim
mittee in the couitneucemeneof
of whom then enjoy public situ;
dividual on that' Counnittsd 1,
place or pension at the conelusii
This, though au extreme case,
possible, tyvl.should of course ha
I pirticularfy object ageinst a CI
nature of Ways and Means bee
of a Committee of Finance ; and
maintained on a former octet
will recollect, I then arglical ti
remunerating the Chairman of eh
his services in this House. Ou
have only to lanieut, that very,
thought with sac. but 1 still
ssion, the greatest solecism iri
of the Ilou.mdfif Commons is,
of it should be 'paid for doing
Coininittee of Ways and Mss
posts oil the Chairman *sod
these ditties, I conceive. Imo
without any additiou to the puhi
pets.-., I'v the essistance of
already with the service of the
ours departenamt. Ceitaiuly th
nesa of the treasury is not so
both may be executed 11 the
us the dutiee of that situation Reim
business, end as fur as the ex,
extended to matters of particul
relating either to Kum county,
the. Members representiug sue
be called to the chair, as best INCI
'object under discussion. Hader
subject, I asball take.the %betty
future period, to abolish* salary
of the Committee of Ways et
however, will ultimately &spend
and inclination of 'tbe Committei
they eater into the-spirit and pm(
meat, as I could wish-theca, and
doubt, this would be an Ulster
mittee of practical reformatioi
these obiervationv to the Hciuse,
putiog.imy thing dishonourable
that Committee; but I have oul
follow up the course of ratiocir
every mats who has ever taken
the nature and bias of lenmai
weakness in nature (pethaps
the most amiable one) to lean to
and interests. Hence, Sir, it is i
pose the man who holds an o%
can be so t fficient aid scalow
public reformation and retrenchn
tee of Finance, as another, since
be deeply implicated in the real
to the duties imposed on the
Committee of Ways and Mean
be :night well he excused fl
le any other situation is which
be aggravated by further additit
time I whilst that I have bat
nour of seeing the lion. Menu be
mince, of which I have the ho
her, thus far I think it just. le
myself _to the House, that the
C.o 11111 l nice are about to ley
It mild certainly oat be the tom
hail the Chairman of the Come
Menus not uttenried it on the dt
made out. It might, perhaps,
probably, be wore; but it would
different. If I shall bit 11,11 had
night the sense of the majority,
removing, from the Cownsittei
served smith, or appertasiiiti.,a..to,
and places, .1 shall foil,
tine Ito with another—" That
Hun. W. Ward he added to I
mittee of Finance." Conlidie
the House ou the preset imp
discais-ion. I shall move—"
Whurtmt, having been cull.
Chair of the Committee of Wa
pet-noted from re.ttanding iu futile
of Finance."
The Chi•NCELLOR of the Ex
had supposed that the lion. t let
a motion of this nature. would '
prism dent in favour ul tlw mars
made out revery strums; v t• it
land heen done. lie could un
then, that the 110,am4:1:11•7
brought before tl.is 11,..,4. is
!Mt,: .1;.-

imputation On the ci:stra,t

•
eel/PC.lOly.
.NYIIO.II I.iS

into lly I%•is it
opinion of the Clvtiri;:.lll LI tin!
Coonnmt.e ha.( tanfo:tunaii
of the I 10... Alor. r. Thr• ll i 11l
oa that cr. %titian, it ar, r•ureJ,