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London, England, 1810-05-15 00:00:00

DUKE OF BRUNSWICK

Mr. Tile% blf tile he trouble the
Howe but very .heath upon the subject, winch he
felt it his duty to bnng finder their cou•idrretiou.
He eu sorry that His M.j.••ty', Miutittrola.4 tta•

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, . •
posed the task open hi it, by arglectinz to
in some wry. for his , tigiine,o, without og ins
Parliament. Withist theiie two year: they 1,:,t
voted 10,0001. a-year to her Roy .1 1114hilvs. the
Duchess of Brunswick, a vote, iu the prorrieti
of
which be perfectly concurred ; but the graiii Is;
Duke of Brunswick stood upon • different groutil,
and, much as he (Mr. Tierney) lamented s„,
misfortunes, he did not think that they sect
of a nature to call for pecuniary resistance ;
tear
was he so much allied to the Croon as to justly
the Hight Hon. Gentleman in demanding. 4.
most as a matter of coarse. a grant of 7,nOQL
What he contended for was this, that tither, aa.,
snffitient fund at thrdispwsal of thee Crown to lottz,
good the annuity, His Majesty's hiiiiii,ters stieti4
not call upon Parliament. This fond. he thought,
did exist in the Droits of Admiralty, and he ic'tki,
not to what more wholesome purpose it could be
applied. As he could not figure to halogen• what
objection ails to be brought armpit his a,etis, toe
should, without further preface, more for an ad.
deem to His Majesty, statiag, That, acionodang
His Majesty's recuinnieudation. they had u,kai
into eonsideration the propriety of a gram to the
Duke of Brunswick ; that. anxious to mak, a
provision *nimble to his rank, they had voted Lout
sum of 7,0001. payable out of the erins,,tadated fund;
lout, iu consequence of the great and inertial's);
holden' imposed upon the people, which. thou:a
they kiwi" not how to alleviate. they felt diewebes
hound not to add to unneceactrily; pssrog that t
would be grocioudy pleased to 'hetet to be loud
out of the Droits of the Attrotralt). into the c 0,,,.
lidoriA fund, a sum sufficient to purchase au ail.
malty equal to the gtaut of Parlaosant."

The CHANCELLOR of the El.ittraust thought.
that even if the House saw a orteonty for an)
deem to His Majesty upon this sulaect. it aasig
prefer a general one, as more relsectful and ohm
proper, than one eo worded. %Vito, he svoiltd
Was the plain interpretation of, this addre.4? Aft.,
stating the satisfaction of the House at aiskiiig a
provision for the Duke of Brunswick. it tumid
round and 'lofted lii. Majesty to pay them for
liut His Majesty had already applied muck of the
fund alluded to. to purchase fr.mi tit captor. if
Copeahrigen vessels, which the country would ~then.
wise have to pity for. He did hot see the diliht-
tion attempted to be drawn between the Duke sad
Duchess of Beutiseick. Many other 11,11
sonages. who were drivels from their kii
ware considered to be entitled, by their
tunes., to the protection and suppott of
The Duke of Brunswick had, at lest, the uwe
claim to public liberality. He was driven Neale
dominions for his attachment to this country; w
that there was nothing in his case which should da.
tinguish him from others. The mustily mum,
grinted to him on a contint,rency ; and if soy Treat
should occur, which would have the effect of re.
storing him to his dontimons. it would treas.--
There wasp therefore, uo necessity fur purrhaiiiig
a certain income. Upon the tvliii!e, he wag .art
that the House would not approach His Majesty
with a prayer of that description.

Mr. CRESTS`, did not admit that the Dods of
And.
henirahletYsairwerean act, l 4 wbyhichrigthhte iriswa pCrvoes;
its revenues for 800,0001. a-veer, he timid het
think that it had afterward.. right to china the
Drotts of Admiralty. Could any one think, that
those who made that set, intended that the t:,o•st
should appropriate several millions to itself' An
lion. Friend of his, (Sir. F. Borden.) had already
made a motion upon the subjecetand it ea, prolaib.e.
when he took his seat again. he could taro his
mind to it once more. nut, supposing hr did ail.
mit this property in the Crown, still the address he
should have prapoosif would have been different
from the present. He would have referred to Hit
Majesty's conduct, in 1763, stated the burden no-
der winch they had since laboured, the want- th.y
had so often made to His Majesty's (*attic, ~.d
advised him to imitate his former conduct, In sp•
plying, not the limited suns now asked for, bait the
whole of the Mints of Admiralty. to alienate the
expenses of the public.
Mr. Huseissue was of opinion, that His Ma-
jesty was as much entitled to the Droits of Admi-
ralty. after the Act alluded to, as before at. The
House of Commons generally abstained from any
discussion upon the Civil List, except in particular
eases, and this nine principle, he thonglit, would
apply to the question before them; they should
not enter into discussions upon the fund, unless
when some assistance was applied for, or sloe
some improper use was supposed to he made
of it. If a fond did exist. from which it sal
reasonable to expect that resources could he
drawn, without trespassing on the people, • Cl'.
was made out, which should induce Parharhe
to inquire how far it was adequate to soy pa •
!trudge occasion. The English Cavil List as
often 'Air yed by the Scotch Cisil List. 11:1e
great difficulty he felt, was to kn'.w, whether these
was stick a fund or not ? He approved of a grantta
the Duke of Brunswick. H•s case was not KS
that of a private individual. there were many 411I"'
pendent upon him. who had shared his dasigrus
and partaken hit exile. It was true that, its INS.
the Kueg had applied money from that feud.**
the public service. without any applicatioa to pi,-
humeri,, sod. in the seven years' ear, he had acted
upon the same principle.
Mr. Dawns contended. that the Crnwo easel..
titled to the Dro.ts of Adiniraltv. He thoegi:t
it
rather hard, that at a time a hen every private C la
drama's expenditure was tO 10Crt111"31
the Crown should be expected to keep to the 1,4 rs
income. If they were to draw upon any fund tot
the Pnrprise now proposed. that was not the fool
Mr. HUSIII4tOII explained.
Mr. Stiotianate represented it as. most Jare.'l
nes doctrine, to permit the Crown to amass ..0
sums of money. over which the radiamen
base,_ no t"Teottla It would hate a tertrry
make the Crown independent of the Par.
A Kitts might go Is war fur Dreams of Adiet's •
:,
•
It was no iragfiulle! ell!. Cronies the Sectril'l ..a
gone% war fir the purpose of obtaining the '4
.ellet• Parliament should always hate the
know what were the sues. and how liti".";
Plied. He agreed that some pros:moil
made for the Dube of liruissaick ; but the
was, whether the cousstry was railed orn an sly'
it from its own isoak-t. at snubs tine,o' •'".
sow eld sot hat tattle, to rise 3 '0 tile sitar

) woad support the motion. even if there
I moods to. go up, than the break-
•ere no Ot ler N
upon the Moils o-r Admiralty, which had
in t
to ,1"
1, tt,ie a great tneasure, to plunge the country
into a war, the most diegiseeful and disadvantageous
to Tie motion of his Hon. Friend being pte
bioin-Ary to an attack upon that fun, he felt :uch
saii-faction in expressing his hearty d
concurrekcoe in
his motion.
Mr. G. Jonsson mid, that the Droits of Admi-
ralty hud been cwasiderably
the incrensolu eased imeuts efn value since
to the
the change with resPfet
mews of prises had taken place ; and that, in
eotorquence of that change, the .suns could be
molt reimbursed to the consolidated fund,—
'The liberality of the House had been full evinced
by the various grants that bad been made to those
who had not claims of so strong 'a nature as the
Bake of Brunswick; sass, from whatever fund the
ono would he eventual); (NMI, he was conviuced
that that liberality would suffer no diminution.
Mr. Htweies Buows s se,reed in the principle
or not increasing the burdens of the people, but
conceised that the Droits of Admiralty were Dot
the fund which should he meddled with upon the
occasion of the grants to his Serene Highness. He
moceired that, peraps, if the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Tierney) had asked for the full amount of '
the Drone of Admiralty, hid purpose would be sa-
tisfactorily answered.
Mr. iIEaNNY said, that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer had only made one or two objections to
the motion, and those objections were utterly dem
tinge of argument ; be had never seen a greeter
instance of the uueasiness of a person who wtahed
t,• gat rid of a question, awl who could not succeed,
than the It Flht Hun. Gent exhibited. The House
hod been asked for a grant of 7.0001. per annum,
that groat was agreed ta. aud it was-observed that
there existed means of • reimbursement of that
barn ; the House was then surely very pardonable
iii ...eking the means by which
.such reimburse-
stein .could be effectuated. If the Crown peer
'owl a cepability of repayment, that addition
of burden shotild he taken from the people,
—if that burden, which would. on Monday. be
inereased one million per annum. It had been said
that his conduct was such as to give offence to the
Crown. It was nu such, thin. If the Crown
would sot speak 'to him, he would speak to the
Crowe. If Milikers would not Ist reeve upon
the occasion. in ouggeqing to Hts Mojesty the
proper mode of conduct to be observed, he wuuld
knmlf make such sozgatioas ; but on disrespect
was by any means tailcoat(' to kits Majesty. It
bad been said, that if all the Droits of Admiralty
were applied to the discharge of the sum, that
more eert.on toreros would have been the cease-
queuce. Ile certainly agreed in that assertion ; and
he would luy aisle hes present motion, if he was
certain of Ilse itt.tlit Mom Gentleman's aid and
sopeort upon a proposition to that effect. Theaters
of the Duchrea and Doke of Brunswick were
very different ; and if the former war allowed most
liberally. that was no reason that the latter bhutsld
meet with the same treatment. He was firmly con-
vinced that the Crown was possrmed of motley
sufficient to reimburse the Consolidated Fund. He
woo determined to take the sense of the House upon
the que,bon. The Hatlbli thee divided, when
there appeared

Fur as Molise . . *4
Agsnut it lu3
Majority —l9
STAMP OFFICE.

• Mt. WSITIIOII44O Nadi 464 ho had, eluting lost
Setvion, called the House to the consideration of
this qiiestion; and he hod nutlersitood that the re-
Gun of that office was .n progress. and would soon
be effected. He afterwards heard contradictory ac-
counts; aud, as he saw that there was On prospect
of au immediate armagemeut in that office,' he
would move for papers in elucidation of the con-
duct observed in et, and the changes which it
would he necessary to make. The reform which
had been stated to have takes place was exceed-
i•iglY trifling. as it regarded only cutlery, &c.—
Afore essential alterations were necessary. The
s4l4oes of the office rhombi undergo much !li-
terals', a, some of them were mach increased,
and many of them hit ill proportioned to the
weight of business which pressed upon the Offi-
cers. lie had heard that Mr. Neyle had been
fame linzly attentive to that office, and had ex-
erted himself to the utmost fur its reform.—
As it would be necessary ro correct the gross abuses
w!itch existed in that office. thy Board of Tree-
fur, ,honed surely, if they thought him competent.
seven him with the power of correcting. There
were a great many employed unnecessarily. and.
if the number of officers was diminished, and
their salaries increased, (foe they were miserably
low), the business would be 4:motet-led with
more effect and satisfaction. The public would
not be satisfied if the Parliament was pro-
rogued without any entice being taken of the
Stamp Office ; and whoever was the delinquent in
mating the existing *buses would be laid before
them. He then moved fee copies of the corm-
imodence from the Treasury Board to the Stamp
°Gees apes the revision of that office; the
account of the officers employed is it, and the re-
movals from it; and an account of all fees and ems*.
luments in the office.
Mr. %Volatile SAid, that the regulations which
sere iu agitation with respect to the Stamp Office.
enu!d effectually do away all the existing abuses.
Mr. Hosatsson said. that the situations of
ri Ail of the Office were considerably underpaid.
Ncyle was one of those who contributed to
render the puhlic essential services. He thought
.:Sly of his as an individual, and considered his
hCe of great inlproftsuee-a more efficient servant
the publie mold not hose.
Mr. W. Suits went into • calculation of the
tune of transacting basiness at the public offices,
a .1 averaged the attendance of the clerk, at four
hove s-cley. lie thought that their numbers
ro.oid be diminished, and their salaries increased.
Mr. %% San said, that, at some offices, they ta-
t' 4 LA tilt seven o'clock in the evening.
`h.PSISSA:V•L was of opinion. that if the sum-
"it: ot holiJa)si was diminished. mad the hours of
enlarged, cousiderable advantage would
dcrisvd. It as necessary to do Away alms'.
i it was Irmo the somasy to effect it, that the
.„4e.
After a few words from Mr. Mr.

ilcsaistow. and Mr. DUNIPAI, the motion was
agreed to.

AMERICAN PAPERS.

Mr. WIIITIMAD wild, that it was not his inten-
tion to move respecting the American papers, es he
had read thew, and perceived nothing spou which
to ground s motion.
TRANSPORT REGULATION.

Mr. flummox said, that in order to elucidate
the subject respecting transports and above of war,
upon winch he had before• spoken, previous to his
referring the subject to a Select Committee, he
would move for a return of the number of troop-
ships and transports engaged in the former war ;
and also for an account of the esptu►rs, of the
armed transports, &c.
Mr. IVaio seconded the motion. and said. that
hegisinelil move, to-morrow, for au account of such
ships as had been employed is transports, and had
afterwards been engaged in other service...

Mr. W. PVL• isul, that he hail considered the
subject most maturely. And found, that the troop-
ships cost more, by three-fourths, than the trans-
ports, upon former occaqonr. He was by no means
willing that the papers shool,l he referred to a Com-
mittee, as that would be incapable of judging;
such a cave, the decision should be left to the Navy
•nd Admiralty Board, and not to a Select Com-
mittee.

Mr. Titular objected to the doctrine of not
sending the papers to a Select Committee. if such
• thing would hold. there was au cud to the pur-
poses of the Committee of Finance.
Mr. Ttst•EY. and Mr. PICILCIVAL mutually es-
plainer!.
Mr. WHITIRRAO thought that it would satisfy
the public wore ti the question was discussed in a
Committee of the whole House.
Mr. HOSKISSON Slid. that even while he was in
ogee. it was nis *intention that it should be brought
under the consideration• of the whok House, and.
that it should be there discussed.

Me. Cuts ta **sof opintou, that every thing had
befit clout to guard agantrit expense ; nn which ac-
count he thought the prevent motion unikr&ssary.
Therm:lotion was then put and carried oithuut a
dissent* voice.
Mr. WARD DOMpOoRd the futtlier consideration
of the Marine Pay Bill until to.tuorrtier (trio day.)
Mr. BROUGHAM pot off his ea et io n retains. to
Mr. Bathurst. the late Ambassador to Austria. till
to-morrow se'nitiglit.

NAVALEXTRAORDIKAR I ES
The (apart was brought up. 414 •In .-eed to.
covvirras OP SUPPLY.
ARMY EITILAORDINAMES. '
_

Mr. PIRCIIVAIh moved. Thst she sun of two
millions. seven hundred and lifrpseteit tsousand
poiods, should 'be graLted for the Arai) Extrauf-
dioafirs of England." Whtch was agme.l

Mr. Fosensinoweel, a hat the rat; or -200,0001.
should he •pprepriatrd to Ireland, for the manse
purien.e." Which was •arced, to.
M►. Forrest 'then moved. 1, That the sot• of
12.1301. should he grouted for stationery, used
in the reseed' Offices i• Ireland." Agreed to.
He then proposed.." That the suns of 3.3844
should be voted. ass coinlienamtion to tbe Cow-
nu..,onei •nt ..tree.• ain Ireland."

qtr. Tisasav asked •hr filet Hnn. Gentleman,
(ttr. Foster,) the necessity of this grant. as all em-
ployment had ceased !
Mr. Forma stated. that it was a regular annual
grata. and the realms this class of persona came
ender it. was, that at-the time of the Union it was
oot known that Lotteries would have sassed
that country. on which gement as prevision hart
been made fur them. as had been fat all other or.
beers.

Mr. Wurreanso did not think the explanation
of the Right Hon. Gent infliciently sap-faetory ;
for which reason the grant should have bis
negative.
Mr. neuter could not understand why th.y
were not at once put upon the same
as all other civil ofki.ns were at the time of the
Union. He felt surprised that a diffaence should
be made.

Colonel BARRY said, that at the time of the
Union. it was not known that Lotteries would cease
is Ireland, on which account the Commissioners
were retained ; and, if monetary. they were at all
times ready to attend and execute the dnties of thest
°dice, if called upon.
Mr. Tthatsex said, it appeared to bim • most nn-
necessary expense, and he could not are the ne-
cessity of keeling orisons iu harness who were sure
of never bring called on.
Mr. BARRY said, if those Gentlemen had applied
for relief at the union. they would have been
granted a compensation, and that fur life.
A desultory conversation then took place. be-
tween Mr. Abercrombie. Mr. Foster, Mr. Whit-
bread, and Mr. W. Pole.
Mr. Hems wished to be informed, if they
were the same persons who held situations at the
time of the Union. that the present grant was to be
made to?
Mr. Fosua could not give 'a decisive answer,
but he had not heard of any change.
Mr. HAMMa said, if persons who had a situa-
tion were entitled to a compensation, it could not
be argued that those who hid been placed there
since were entitled to the same rensuneratioo.
Mr. Ticamtv could not c:inceive that the Right
lion. Gest. Mr. Foster could have any objection to
delay the wrote until the Committee were in posses-
sion of the names of those persons.
Mr. Forma. on recollection. could assure the
Committee. that no change bed taken place for toe
last tire years.
Mr. Ti . thought it was necessary that the
Committee should have not only the names, but
the date of each person's appointment.
Mr. WM. FITIGERAI o said. the Lotteries were
not done away by the Government or Ireland.
on which account the persons employed could nut
receive compensation. undi r the Act of Uniou.
The resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. FOSTER then noted. " That the sum of

33.0001. should be granted for the completion of
Howth Harbour. and the saw of 10.0001 tov'
earn* purpose, at Holyhead Harbour; which were
agreed to.
The House resumed. sod the report was ordered
to be received this day.
The Duke of Bruoswick's Annuity Bill was read
a second Use, sad urderel to be committed thiv
day.