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Ireiresory Jenny ertipeetea
elf Mead cavalry also. Were 16se charges paid out of tit,
Treasury at home, or front the releases of the jellied', or
through the Culsoial Office? He *Goghs that there *elk
le be four or he garrisons reduced .t least. He wished
to bear the intentions of Goverenient as to the future ex-
Tleaditure under this head. He strongly objected to the
taxes levied on the inhabitants of Gibraltar for keeping up
tbettarrieon without the direction of Parliament.
toed PALMERSTON said that there was no charge in
theeevenne for Guenter, sad Jersey beyond what was to
the uttneates, all other expenses were paid out of the revenues
of
the islands. The militia were called out once a fortnight,
led were Is a high state of effective discipline. The garrison
of Gibraltar was neutered as it bad been for a considerable
length of tine. The foreign garrison altogether were less ex-
pense by 3or 4,000 f. that I. 1792. He could `ice no expec-
tatioe of reducing the expense for garrisons. Some few unless
appointments had been suppressed. The Governorships were
ratrally giver, to Green, Olken who had weed well, sod
as fee as hi had soy lellsence is the House, they should never
be reduced. They were konoorible rewards fee diattaguiele-
ei nißifary settler, and it world be seem that the Coosnalh-
ier.insChief had gives thew is every instmwe, just as the
public would wish, to ammo/ the Mgteu oreaareats of the
aretairy. The Finaree Canaanite bed approved their dis-
tribution In the highest teems. There was a soul ipereise
in the estimate., comparing them with lest year. That was
to be accounted for by the omission last year of a few smolt
Rees, which were sow ordered, saltier altogether
about 6961.
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Mr. RO BERT SMITH node some rentarkswet the AMP§

foe lie clullaimismiloguipsumte of the Mead cavalry sad
Lord PALMHaIer ON, and • M Member whose same we
could e*.t leers, said a few weeds each.
Colonel DOVIIIS contesded, that it would be moth more
hounerable br tig army, sad ad's/mimosa to the service,
that these rewsd! for ontrierdimary military services should
be disposed of by the vote of Parliament. There was oat a
elation abroad which wee est, a scene of entravoganee add
profusion. asfar u regarded the number and impetus of dm
appointitesits on its establishes's'.
Allr. HUME, said, he should be glad to know from the
Illesuerable Member opposite, whether the militia is the
lifted of Guernsej were actually called nut every fourteen
days; be believed they had opt been called eat for the lost
six months. it would be ebeerved... that she islands of
GllerbOeY Rtersey were *pm a different fooling la that
respect. were ebti appointments conatantly kept in
Onawhichthere were net Is the other; and there were also
ether circontelances of ctrirereere which reealmed the militia
in oei libel* to be milled oat more frequally thap is the
either.. Thou island" were_ about the happiest places wider
the sun, for they paid taken lo sobodl—(!1 —hod 74
they bed the Yell buiellt of all the proteellos which this
clunk, could -give them. He conebeded that they imagist
p 1
eoilpsmit to pay tie ensues of their own establishments.
estahlialmatots were too large in every branch
if service, military, militia, and ordnance; sad he called
upon GOMIIIDeUi to tarn Its serious attention to ladle-
log them as lee u possible. He did set mein to restore
or. to derogate from the 'welts of say individuals
those appolutmests, whkh be conceived 10 be saucer
tory ; the appolutsseets sited very possibly be gives to
herese but deserving per**, but as the case stood *fyer=
epee to abuse, and might equity as well be gives to r
VW hod no claim et ell e, the service.
Colonel GOSSETT said, the militia mulioned by the
lismourable Member were calltd oat not only every fort.
sight, but every week. He was cenadent the Governor wee
paid oat of -the rev of the island.
Sir I. COFFIN mid, those islands were part oldie Norma.
*elate of the Crown. They hudiaresed a pert of the domi-
nions of she Crowe of this kingdom since she time of William
the Coliqueror, sod the *habitants bad elegy. bees amongst
the most loyal of its subjects.
Me. H. G. MINN lITT said, it was not his wish to semi.
lyle the connexion which had so long tubsisttd between the
Woods in question sod this country; he bad rather do OR
that eseld be done to keep them still together, sad therefore
sboold wish to preveut them from heiog roadstead untie.
I caturily burdensome. by the number of sinecure haled
kept op on their establishments. It was unrest, that those
olden Mere Mantra held h, persons of respectability; and it
was mid, that a long list of illestrinue names could be pro.
*need, of per.ooa who had filled that.. He did net doubt
but it might be an, but the use might also be said of say
other Dace, mid iudersi that was the argument that wee
always seed against any reduction of places of this sort. Thus
Board of Trade, he remembered, had been defended* ellp
same way, by eddueMe the names of Gibbon, Addles, sad
oiler celebrated preemie, who had held situations its Het
office; bet the character of the persons we. not the quie-
ting, hut the necessity or eoevenieoce tut the public *role*
of keeping up officer that were useless is themselives.• The
Noble Lord took great credit for reducing the appo;ntments
Of morgues in some of the garrisons; now his local know.
ledge of one of the places where that reduction had been
mode, flerwictmpon-Tweed, *gabled him to say that the
marrou mat an officer that might have bees kept up, fee at
limes be +aground to be of greet seretee. But there were
other appointments of which no thought of reduction seemed
so he gaserteleed, such as the Town Major, Town Adjutant,
pad ushered that description, for which be knew no resew,
why they should be kept op, as they wire of uo manner of
use or 'melee whatever.
Mr W. SM ITH raid. that acme of the Governer* were
not only of no real we, bet had not evert the benefit of that
plea* (moor of their being keitt op, which had bees tweed
by the Noble Loed is rapport of the generality of such ap-
pointeteuts; that they served as useful rewards fur distill.
puked military services. Fur he was perfectly certain,
Tryst his own personal boos ledge, that there bad bees
Governors of the isle of Wight who had
is the army at all, nor ever belt any other military ap-
poisinseut.—(Hear.)—He dill not know who the pommel
Governor was; he shoold therefore be scqtritted of es invi-
dimes allusion se him. The-q. wee ,aiso some yeses ego a
gentleman. of Airborne of 'Harkness, holding the appoint-
meat of Governor of Darionsath Castle, who watt, inched, a
Member of *kat House, bas whe had Newer performed any
service, nor hid he ever been in the army at all. buck
appointments as those certaiuly ought to be aboli.hed.
Lord PALM ERSTON said, it ass perfectly tree that the
Governor of the Isle of Wight, alluded to by the Hououre-
tile Member, had never served in -the army. But at the
time of his being appointed to that office, he gave up the
reversion of a pension of 2,0001. a year, which bad been
given to his father for great 101 l meritorious serric.s, with
POlLlinElef PO hi. for his life, is exchange for that appoint-
ment, which gave hum 1,280/. a year; PO that • saving was
thereby effected of 800?. a year. The suffice; however, was
the number of those Which were to be alio-
..tea is 11.0 extueetion of the exist's( Interests. The
Grieroonbip of Dartmouth Castle, he apprehended. woe
• set to be considered in the yam light as she others, Cori*
constantly resided there. It bad been determined to abs.
fish the Mimeo's, eY the garrisons because they were coos&
*eyed useless, yet that determination was sow made the sub.
jest of censphriot. The appoistment having become !scent
WI Berwick, it was sot deemed proper to 11l it op; and be
did not know what local hoowledge could hove enabled the
Hon. Member fur Shrewsbury to spesk to she asefolaese of
14e Mike, unless *deed be might Lave had some acquaint.
bete wit% the perms who in% tactile %tamale t candidate foe
tbeaundomumat, whets abilities be might have swpposul
would have bees wervieeelsle to the weighbeuthenil. He did
thisik the prinaple OOP which these appuiatimeets bad hers
Wiecied W we. meal meemistiattioual. It wit admitted
Mat owe* rearm di ought to be gives for military services;
It said thet *bile they were at the disposal of the
they mato open to ahem inlbedietrihwelow, Avid
11110dbell it was necessary that they should be take, sato the

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lands of the House of Coiner. Now he would may that
(be principle of such an objection was wooly. at variance
with the constitution of tile Couetry, and wee Outgoes* with
the signet dauger to its liberties.—(Hear)—lt was Neces-
sary fur the stability of the iostitgatmes of the country, it
was for the safety of the Constitution, that the
•rafatt winifiery sereketi. gel tie eerire emr-.
. regulators of the army, should be le the batch
'ii . Crown (hear, beer); aid if ever the day sbOold cone
Xi" that power. WAS- taken. hem the Crowns, on tint disk
•seisiel be meek the deathrbtow of Mae Britlbh Coostitution.
fsille
gassers.) .
•
int DAVIES said, that the *mite of Coebemen was
iniliOnall'elheek upon the Crown lit the d.stributem
If the Horne ofCiononons hail en the.rtglle
of
ifiturferiog, what was to prevent the 'Ooveruneot free
creating er greeter somber of such appointee's, oho. et
present existed? There would be nu difficulty in ieleetiot
eaters whose servites• were deaervirig of firth,. ida
eyed. he-fay, from any • danger in the Constitute,*
%Woe •to be apprehended horn the House of Commoob
exertions this morn over the poldic Wirer, that was one
of its best safeguards. • The &mettle of the Nettie Lord,
tint it wee untoestiosiimml in that linen to exercise a
cheek, epos groves of thin nature to military offiefes, woe
one which he hod sewer beard before, and he hoped be should
never hew figein.—(Cheers.)
Mr. C. W. WYNN said, if It were • maxim Not heard be.
fere is that Havre, if it were a principle new to the Couitld
tutiesudothe reentry, that the Crown was the foontaingle
homier emit reward, 'hes certainly the doesriee of his Noble
Friend wele. sew; but be apprehended that the constant
or Parliantoot woold.prove that it woe otherwise. rhilye
Mee h Person was elevated to the Peerage as au herseefey
reward for services, and his ciimmostaNcee were such me
rendered it advisable to grant a ;cosies for one orierade
lives to enable him and hi* heirs to support the divan
its s'becoolieg unoner, the wisedkof We Message from obi
Crown, mil of the voile of the Home for that purpose were,
"To enable his Majesty to make • nimble provienn," anti
not fur 4 the House to genet such • provides," If Ilde
officers of the army were to be tight to look for thrice,.
ward, set to the Crowe, but to that house—(" Hepe, iwoorr
"No, orr")—it was contended I the argum al for the IP.
election of the culonelcics of maristes that the naval
ought to look for reward to (hat House—(Hear,
if that.principle were to be established, they would and
those who began by. petitioning for such reward would one
mod with demanding it.—(llear, hear.)—lf they looked I.
the history of the country, 11 they looked to the history of
the parliamentary arny, they woeld then mod an awful Intros
on the mischievous polity of tendering the army lode.
pendent of the Crown. lint be also objected to the prim.
dplr of the House taking to itself fhe theleibutioe 0(.1••
wards' for public enviers on, soother gassed. Such
Mode Ina always the toast extravagant and expensive;
for, olstwever the eaten of individuals were brought bef. re
that Moose for derision, it was fouled that they were always
received with greater favour than whew left to the diseret get
Of the Crown, or of any Minister. Aoy measure Moines,
its object to draw rosin the Crowe, it'd to Feat is that Home
the power of rewarding military merit, Anil be subversive
of the Constitution.
Colonel DAVIES said lie had nereerritlertafitta as We. lta
shooed as that of wishing that the Haase 4004 hive the
pelwevisfotrigisating the congideratiou army otiose, plains.
He tete well enough that constitutionally any ohdos .for
pecuniary teward or emolueseet noel Amen 4111 the Riot
tastier. from the CloWn.
Mr. C. W. WYNN raid, that the rule ',it* Heine WWI
/Equind tilt claims for pecuniary grants should retinas 1W
sauctiob of the Crowe previous to their.heing lakeu into WOW•
sideratioh; was not a rule of the Constitutiom bet a rest,.
Latins livened by lie House for the guidance of Be Gets pro-
ceedings, and rested entirely ou its owe sane of its pro-
priety sad usefuleress.
.Mr. H. G. BENNETT ;at pretest
far a tering sun, an Joggrgen4on fee is eploofolooptoo.
*Bees of a particular ginerrip. ion, which wee, beetpeothee
reword, upon particulat racers ; sad it Mil itahrab4l,
dtscretipo of the House to groat or withhold the Met
asked for, or any particular portion of it. New it appeoro4
to kip that it would be quite as safe that the Homo shoeld
decide upon the partierslsr claim, of tbet iudividoolhp such
.sere, Ors a osessige fret' the Comes, initials foe the primi7
@ION to be wade is the particular inotsnees for the reward
if the *vetoer.s of dune persons.
Mr. HUME said the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
C. W. Wynn) had endeavoured to divert the *Oration of the
Committee from the Inestien before them to a subject of s
different nature, which no one had thought of meddling with.
The erßsit itiTof the Ndble Lord had been precisely the
same in princlipleas that made use of oe • former night,
that unless offices were necessary to support the inflorece of
the Crown; but ff he erderstood •i all what the brawn, of
Government, according le the Constitution, should really be,
it was the inflormee arising out of the disposal of thboreet
tionber of useful offices necessarily existing both et home
and abroad. That was the legitimate influence whieb
the Monarch ought la, possess; and the question
he should call upon the Committee to consider was,
. it was willing to sanction the keeping of useless o=re
increase that influence. When the legitimate means aaihe
disposal of the Crowe were inefficient for the reward of
Beeler services, let it come to Parliament and ask t
• provision should be made fur the purpose of supplying
deficiency, hod when was there an in•tauce kerma of a rm
fusel' 'rut Crown wee not weeth supporting, which cupid
INK be supported by the legitimate influence it posseen4
I. the rii•tribution rifiveresrary Appointments. He penned.
against the doctrine of the Noble Lard, and those who voted
with him to-nottre would vole in effect foe the perpetostid*
of the odious ernes of oho cures. H. should move therm
fore, with the view of ascertaining bow many advocates Mee*
were for. she eoistionsnes of these intros Alice., a reduction,
of 12,3441. in the vote under consideration. Before be east
down he wished to ask the larble Lord whether the Fauna
Committee did aid rerumined the reduction of Fort Ars.
prom and Fowl Willis., and the allowances to the Gm,*
Bora of some other plum .
Lord PA LM ENS re N*aid it had b•en intended to abolish
the garrison' warmisionl by the Hon. Member, but tm forlher
ConsiderationA was toot thought proper to do so. The ate.
Member had coin 'mistaken his (Lord P.'.) argument. H.
had not mid that these oilers were necessary to the supped
of the influence of the Curets, but that they were sorrow,
to reward great military services, sod that the power of die.
'dilution of rewards. fur sock services was. constitutionally
vested in the Crowe.
Mr. It. SMITH thought the House of Commons had to 41
‘fficle" Purrstes w control over the impri•per exercise Of
Ilse power of the Crows., in the power wh oh it rovsessed of
saintruning, refusing, or atodifyiue the grunt, if money
applied for, to enable the Crown lu Carty its intentions into
.Alecto—(Cherrs.)
• Mr. W. SMITH said the Gevernoiship of Dartmouth
Imight as will be abolished as that of th. Isle of .1i light.
The residence of the Governor did slot slier the case ; fur
ftrie 'residence of* person, not a military msn, for the porpow
Cif defending a military post, was as ahsorditir. 11 sits
sped to the cutustiostional view of the question, the Consti.
Onion did put require any particular number of offices to he
Ike* •p; mil it was competent to the House to abolish
them if it thought it.
Mr. R. Sill EH said, the removal of the rpinefum was
practically • the same as fettering the principle itself.—
Whst was INICIMIsry war, that the Croton ghoul.' pis the
power of bretowmg efficient rewards for military Sni • ice
After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EX.
CHEWIER, Mr. MONEY, and Mr. H. O. BENNIET•
which were ivawdible in the gallery—
Mr. HUME said, the vote comprehended two dislinet
heads: one was for the garrisons at home, and the otlwr for
the garrisons abroad. The object 01 his rme .iitist ut was to
reduce loth those heads, as each compreheiiiird • number of
entertions that • ere complete sinecures, hi Id by ludiviiki•la
not residing is the gsremous, smuisritiog to wooly 13,0001.
Some of Ilion were at Othealeste mud the Cspe, borh of which
had revenues solifirient fur the support of their owe eats.
blialigneets. The others were at Quebec, Fort ‘filliam, sort
Argosies, Berwick, Hull, nod Chester.
The Committee thee divided son the emendates, of Mr.
Hu .
Ayes
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ected to by Goeernisent amount at first. The fact was, as stanch work I.nd
°Empties:dam, neeteliiCia'weisssioageeheleinad ti:; also 1,9031. for Genital Lands of the Douse a Coss
not been at first contr./spieled.. %s tip* itt taking the principle of suet ate. alto
on the wen resoletioe he rentiee 103.9841. ss. 3d. fur with the constitution of the C
no objection to adding down part of an old walls or deasesisoof.olsi kind,
111 pettievet garrisons et home sed oheaol— . the sawitotiaoger to its libel
Menet" Irak SSW* (hitt' I'lk she*, .•ild thee Mr. HDISIE hoped to ese eiiiitidersble retractions take my fur the stability of the
lea accordingly, and gest:escilved, to skip e who e, so It primed in plate is this hew. The eseablishosent at Berwick aught to was necessary for the safe',
nes!. The dilfttielol,Atagjo gniensjpe_ haitiplisAri allegether.ispauessisied of utslluee bet sine." 'lsar/mot- aswoedeue Winery
tVolliiiiiirriiin --OrereLiiii nO'foovr jewiteid To stdri: Pe "rev. Ho wished to hear sinisethleg more about those 'or nal sad. riTelatio• of the i
of the Crown (hear, hear); a
thefts* ogisiusethe Res =l. that the ground wet inconvenienlip toGrariiregd Jerseyi Be aarite pm lid the. espeaditata -
etc If or militia. Of the latter, he made' stood that when that power "AL token .
Forty or fifty, ships bad laid skid* slily wanscaned oat every sniosis and yet they were in a Would be strut die deitth-bh
there in the course. of time, and It pOO/1 poor aims of diecipi," Were thaw sooooom to he Newt is —moucts.) .. .
the *ittillilktilitSW,VVel like immense trouble to rernotte the driftud as Ike the Treesory or Anti e.,a; us ? There were troops Cttassel DAVIES laid, diet