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HOUSE OF LORDS.—WismisoAv. MARCH 13

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the Hon. Mr. Mantel and uthon, •iz. Mr. Alexander as second
enunsel fur the Appellant., and Mr. Rurality as leading Coun-
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of the use was adjourned till Mnnday.
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brought up each a private Bill.

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HOUSE. OF COMMONS.
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Mr. II THORNTON re-ented a Petition from G. Moulton
Mainwaring, F.sq. Sir W. Gibbous, Rait. Sir W. Curti., Bart.
11. Thornton, E.g. %V. Meih.h, Eon and other Freeholders
of the coui.ty of Middlesex, complaining of bribery and cor-
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election for the said county. And also of many persons having
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poll at the said election, by which a majority of one wars ob-
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Mainwaring. The Petitioners concluded by pray.llc, that the
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Murray L.cuteuaiit Goverwu• of the lele of Mao. Ordered.

IRISH MIDGET.

Mr. FOSTER moved the Order of the Day for
the klouse to resolve itself into a Committee of
Ways and Means, to consider further of the Sup-
ply granted to His Majesty, which was accordingly
done. Mr. ALLIANDS It in the Chair.
Mr. FOS lER then addressed himself to the
Chairman of the Committee, and said, he was ex-
trdmely happy to think, that, in what h.- should have
occasion then to state to the Co.muittee, it would
not be necessary to trespass much on their time, by
going into any length of detail. He had only a
few plain statements to make, and the first thing he
would shortly touch upon was, the situation of
Ireland, with respell to her trade. It gave him
great pleasure to say, that this part of the
United Empire was in a regular and progressive
state of improvement in her trade, from which the
greatest advantages might be expeded to be derived
At no vet) distant period. Her imports, up to the
sth of January, 1801, amounted to 3,700,0001.
which was more than the average of the five pie-
ceding years, and, last year, they amounted to
5,711,0001. ; so that last year they exceeded the
average of the last five years by I I ,0001 Her exports
were 4,8a2,0001. last year, and, in these it was com-
fortable to remark, that in three quarters of that
year, they were within 2,000.000 of yards of what
they amounted to in the whole four quarters of the
preceding year. The balance of the imports
over the exports amounted, for the last five
years, to 1,195,0001 ending the .sth of January,
tool,. Ile then came to the debt of Ireland, which,
he said, was indeed a melancholy subjed ; he hoped,
however, they had adopted such measures that
for the future they had stopped its progress. In
January 1804, the debt was 59,000,0001. before that
time it bad only amounted to 43,000,0001. whoeb
:hewed an incrc.tae of 10,000,0001. but in the pr..
sent year the increase would not be more than half
that sum, or 5,000,0001. which was undoubtedly a
very considerable diminution He then came to the
demands, and what were the Ways and Means to
defray them. The annual charge for the year was
4611,0001. The 2-17ths for the share of the sup-
ply. 8,4640331. which was the sum Ireland must
find to pay her quota of contribution. These were
certainly very large sums ; but Gentlemen would re-
coiled the benefits which the country derived from
the union, and the extraordinary difficulties she had
of late had to contend with. To meet this, he
would take the revenues at 4,000,0001. a Loan
settled in Great Britain at 2.500,0001. which in
Irish mrney will amount to 2,700,0001. A Loan
for *viand of 1,000.0001. making altogether
8067,6831. He gave thin the Ways and Means.
He took the revenues at 3,000,0001. the consoli-
dated fund produced last year 2,780,0001. and he
would suppose it to produce 1,200,0001. more than
the year before last. The latter quarter in 1804
produced more than the first, by 5.51,0001. Here he
remarked that this was owing ter thedifferent methods
restarted to with respe.fl to the management of the
Excise Denies ; and particularly -- the Distil-
•

ever been paid on spit its. In Dublin there was not
one Distiller with whom he had. conversed, that did
not honestly and candidly confess to him, that he
was in connection and conspiracy with thapßxcise
Officers, in order to defraud the revenue. This
was owing, he said, to the very low salaries paid to
and the scanty provision made for Excise Officers,
which rendered them liable to be bribed into any
kind of combination against their employers. He
said the distillers in Dublin had refused to be exa-
mined before the Comaiissionersiff exene, on oath,
because they would not betray the confidence re-
posed in them. They thought it would be treache-
rous in them to submit—and that, as honest men,
they could not divulge secrets which had been en-
trusted to them. Unless, therefore, the situation of
these persons were bettered, and made more com-
fortable, they could never expect the revenue to be
duly and properly collected. Besides doing this, he
hoped the period was not far distant, when he
should also see an amelioration of the Excise Laws,
in which they should be so framed, as to be more
palatable to the people, for it should be remembered,
that the whole of the imports in Ireland were under
the Excise Duties. The Right Hon. Gentleman
having finished this digression, he returned to the
Ways and Means. The taxes for this year would
be 255,0001. ; the first taxes were on articles of im-
port; but they were trivial, such as raisins, pepper,
oil, and one material article, which WAS tinther ;
but, as to this. Gentlemen need not be alarmed ;
there was scarcely a cabin in Ireland, in which there
was used a single foot of foreign timber. At least
this was the case in that part of the country in which
he resided. It might be different, perhaps, in the
neighbourhood of Waterford, but this was certainly
the best time for putting on this tax on timber, be-
cause the facilities they enjoyed of conveying it by
water carriage, from the coast into the interior,
could not fail to render it productive, and of the
greatest advantage to the country. Ile proposed,
therefore, to double the duty on all timber, except
deals, and on them to lay but half the duty ; the
reason for this exception was, that deals were ge-
nerally imported conjointly with iron, and, of coarse,
the duty was, in some measure, divided between
the two, each sharing with the other. The next
duty he meant to impose was on wine; but Hon.
Gentlemen need not be alarmed at this either, for,
after it was imposed, the price of wine in Irelapd
would not be one-fourth what it is in Great Britain.
This tax he took altogether at 40,0001. The three
or four next taxes, he said, cdbld not fall on the
poor. The first was on horses, not agricultural in
loud Mush), hut on those for riding and dra•vi.:g
coaches and other carriages, which, at 15s. for each
horse, he estimated at 40,0001. The next was on
dogs, on which he proposed to lay the sam• tax as
was in England, which he took at :OM. a-year. He
thought this tax would be serviceable to the lower
orders, as it would prevent them from keeping
four or five, which was now the custom, and which
often devoured the food their families ought to
have ; when one was enough for any domestic
purposes. The next was curricles : these carriages
were much in fashion and were drawn by two
horses, so that they had all the advantages of four.
wheeled carriages; and he saw no reason why they
should not be taxed as such. He would therefore
consider them as four-wheeled carriaArs, and sub-
ject them to the same duties. Biggins, he s.itl, !lad
never been taxed, nor jaunting cars, or Irish Ves-a-
sta. This last was as article, of great luxury with
a great portion of the people ; on these two he pro-
posed to lay a duty of ss. each, which he took at
10,0001. The next was a tax on Batchelor's Male
Servants, in which he meant to copy the example of
England, and impose a duty of 15s. each, which
would be 9,0001. The next was the Post Office,
in which he proposed to lay au additional duty of
Id. a letter, after the meaner of England; only that
the distance in Ireland was no more than 80 miles,
before an increase took place. ken then said, that
the tax on hearths had been abolished in 1791,
and in order to make up for it, a duty had been laid
un Windows above a certain number. This, how-
ever, was found to bear partially, and he would
therefore propose, that teeny man who rents Land to
the amount of 50. a year, should pay a tax of es.
and those who rented 51. should pay cis. lie esti-
mated this tax altogether at 21,0001. These were
the whole except one, in which he proposed taking
all Windows above Six, which would raise about
51,0001. Amounting altogether to 246,00,d. ster-
ling; and in Irish money to 2.1.5,0001. to cover the
loan. Before he sat down, he would state, he said,
one °Ned of taxation which he thought might here-
after be resorted to with great advantage, and that
was to assimilate the channel to a turnpike road,
and make every passenger who crosses the water
to pay a toll. There was a further tax on Stamps
and Licences, which would increase the Revenue
17,0001. a year, but he s:iould not bring that for-
ward at present. He statad that there was at pre-
sent an allowance nude to Brewers of Beer, and to
make up for this, he would impose a small licence,
at the same time, that he proposed no Spitit dealer
should have a licence. who did not brew a cer-
tain quantity of Beer. Having made these state-
ments, he concluded by moving his first Resolution,
which being read by the Chairman $
Mr. JAMES FITZGERALD objetled to the
time which was given Members to consider the
financial affairs of Ireland. The Papers necessary
to be consulted were seldom laid on the Table be-
fore the sth of M trch, and all business of this kind
must he finished :white the 25th, which, he thought,
not only very i, j,u ions but absurd. lie attributed
the distress of Ireland to an improvident anticipa-
tion of the Irish revenues in their progress to the
Exchequer, and suffering large balances to remain
in the hands of collectors. In 1801, the anticipa-
tion amounted to 106,0001. and, next year, with
incidents, pensions, etc. it was a great deal more.
It was in vain, therefore. to expect a produflive re-
venue, it such anticipation was suffered to take
place. It appeared to him that the balances now
an the hands of different collectors amounted to
1,159,35e1. and if this was not produetive, what a
situation must the country be in. The balances,
last year, amounted to more than 550,0001. He
acknowledged. that in these balances he included an
old slim of 255.0001. due from deceased collettors,
which - •be relied . .

the profits of the Lottery, 11.40001.; the pr•.,l::, •
of the Extraordinary Resonrces, on an average 0!
the last four years, 17(3,0901. ; the gain of tra,
misting money from Ireland to England, which,
next year, would be .2.76,0001. ; the average or the
Consolidated Fund, for four years, which he tout
at 394,0501. tisey were altogether more than stn.
ficient to cover the present Loan, and, therefore, he
saw no necessity whatever for burdening the eosin.
, try with any new tax at all. Many secondary
causes, he said, had been assigned for the d
tress in which Ireland was at this moment in-
volved, but no one which went to the sa amass
cause. The fad WAhi Ireland, at present, labou— s
under an incurable distemper. Though the Act
of Union had turned out to be a most uaespai
contraft, he could not for a moment entertain m
idea that England 'ever intended to take so ,inge-t-
-rous an advantage as ro make her pay what she is
not by any means eclual to. The fad is, the true
situation of Ireland must be probed to the bottom,
and remedies applied to heal the w“unds under
which she at present sutlers- It this be not done,
you may, pedlar ;go on in the same manner for
twmuy years; UDE then &eland must come ha.:
partnership a faille.' an Cleat Bri-
tain will be Ob,ligeilhe pay her siyjst., He
contended, that by ;botrowSug so mich mosey
this year, ,Ireland illereawki ar, arortian of its
debt, compared with that of kagcland. and Of con; a
must extend the time for iequallaltik else buisbees,
which was proposed bye the Ad of union. lie
again insisted, tat them would be no rsccasion•
new taxes in that country, if Govcrittnent should
call in the ariCffS now in the hands of the colledors
of the .revenue. anchatd he was detettruaed to give
his negatiiir to the resolluilcon.
Mr. FOSTER, in 'reply to the last objedioa,
stated, that the pi'adice had always been in Ireland
to leave large balances in the bar As of the coiled."
of the taxes, which could not be applied to the pay..
meet of the interest of this loan, because, it it had
been called in, there could be no certainty what. ...;
that the balances could be realised within the •
sent year. The balances bad been thus remas... •
from time immemorial, and now only applicable
as a fund for the incidental expenses of the 'tar,
and what the lion. Gentleman called the surplus cr
the Consolidated Fund, was already appropriated by
Ad of Parliament. There was no -ground of com-
plaint respeding the lateness of the time in which
this measure had been brought in, as it came at an
earlier period than was usual, eith-r since the Union,
or in the Irish Parliament, and it was not without
great exertion that it was found possible to bring
the accounts down so low as the sth of January. In
short, nothing had been said which atria in the least
shake his opinion of the new taxes being absolutely
necessary.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT said he could not con-
ceivt why no account had been given of the tr; ;
millions due from Great Britain to Ireland. ev:r
since the passing of the aft of Union. Had rho:
resource la,en stated, and resorted to previously t.i
the Budget, it must sorely have superseded the
necessity of resorting to new taxes, to t.ie jriII"ITTT •'t
235,0001. It was surely roll TifflT /1141 mese ac-
counts should '.7e settled, as the Comnii;tee humeri',
appointed had ou'iy met two or three times, and
came to no determination...He expressed very
strong ohjeEtians to the proposed TAX ifpon the ix.
;mutation el timber, as, whatever may be she co—
in the county of Louth, or those parts of Ireland
with which the Rilht Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Foster) was best acquainted, it world operate very
injuriously to the comforts of all the ciluagers in
those parts of Ireland with which he was particu-
larly conneaed, where native timber was so scarce
that they were obliged to have recourse entirely t,i
such as was imported. Notwithstanding this ne-
cessity, lie was sorry so observe that the TAX upon
foreign timber was retularly augmented every year
since the Union.

Mr. CORRY said, that he was glad to find, from
what had fallen from thu Right I lonourable
Gwttie-
man (Mr. Foster). that a new light was throws on
a circus:nausea which was in dispute between them
last year, i.s to the difficulty of calliug in the ba-
lances in the haads of the colleflors ; but he must
contend. at the same time, that. though these sums
could not easily be made to supply the necessity of
taxes, yet the money in the Exchequer might be
rendered applicable to the ways and means of the
year. 'f ii account for the present necessity of new
duties, he stated, that out Of the loan of last year.
the sum of 1,700,0001. went to pay off Exchequer
Bills, which lie found outstanding at the time
when he came into Ake. He was happy to hear
of the flourishing suite in which the trade of Ire-
land was described to be, but he doubt( d much it
it arose from the new arrangements that had bees,
adopt,d, or that the increased export of Irish lin-
nets had been prod Iced by the abolition of the (1.1,
ties. He hoped. he said, that if he should move lot-
any papers on this subjed, to justify his own con-
dud, there would be no objefhon to them.
Mr. FOSTER said he should have no obiellion.
Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON contended,
that in law, the debt of Ireland was now become an
English debt ; that the state of its exports and im-
ports could give us no sanguine hopes of the in-
crease of its resourc,?s, and that if taxes were thus
multiplied. there could be no ground for entertain-
ing any sanguine hopes that Ireland, even in time
of peace, would be able to satisfy all the claims
upon its regular revenue.
Some explanations then took place between Mr.
COk•Y, Mr. Fos fee, and Sir J. Niteroi's. Af,n
which
Mr. PITT gave notice, that in order to satisfy
the House and the public, upon the suhjea. ha
should to-morrow move for a Committee to inquire
into the state of the accounts between Great Britaill
an e. Ireland.
The first resolution was then put and agreed to.
Mr. FOSTER (Glue' ring several Members about
to retire) said, he hoped the Gentlemen interested
in the Irish and six per cent. duties upon the imports
of the retail traders, would not withdraw, as he wit
then about to move the resolution for continuing It.
Mr. D. B. DALY said, he had tliat day received
instritetions from his Constituents, to oppose the mea-
sure, but that he should wait for the bringing in of
the'
agreed to, and

, Ways Ind Me.o4
House adjourn"

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produced more than the first, by 551,0001. Here he last year, amounted to more than 3.50.0001. He Mr. D. B. DALY said, be had Coat day receiv
Landes*, J. Akin, M. D. Vid seven Plates, Croon the He- remarked that this was owing to the different methods acknowledged. that in these balances he included an instt naions from his Constituents, to oppose the ml
yleru of H Tre,bam, R. A and engraved by Mr. Heath rescrted to with respea to the management of the old snm of 255.0001. due from deceased colleaors, sure, but that he should wait for the bringing in
P,Mc On* .;mica, or on large Paper 11. in board.. Excise Duties; and particularly as to the Distil- which cannot be relied on to come in the course of The bill.
yot in and t t hes% the WORKS of sAMIAL BUT. aeries. From the Distillers there had been nothing next year. lie then took a view of the Right Ho- The several resolutions were then agreed to, a
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Ast.n, I). asul Ay, risk... a collard- lie sppeekd to the Country Gentlemen nourz.ale Gentleman's statement as to the Loan, ordered to be reported to-morrow.
A. mot eng.4oed byMs. Ms. thous. Puss lac or en large of Ireland to testify that in the county of Tyrone, revenue, &c. and contended that the surplus of the The (:ounittee of Supply, and Ways and M
Pa4per,ll. es.aa Maras. and several others he enornerated, no duties bad Consolidated Fund, which amounted to 264,2801. ; were deferred till Friday, and the House ailioutaL