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SINECCRE PLACER.

Mr. Futitta, in introducing hi+ promised mo-
tion upon the subject of Sinecure Places, quoted
some extract's, at length. from Lord.Chirf-Justice
Hales, which went to .hew the opinion of that great
authority up** siuricare places. to which it was de.
cidedly hostile. He then proceeded to nhaerre
that it "meld be harshly ptetoble for him to adj
roach to what Lou' Mika had solid upon the sub-
ject. utiless it was to +-n'. that most of these offices
did not operate us a tai' upon the subjects at large.
but olio!, the suitors in the alarmist Courts. ‘Ve
had deviated much from the practice of Alfred'+
time. Hear hear!/ The. present ',stein he
tlinaght uncommonly oppret-ive to the %Wed India
Islands; people tlwre were ni.li4ed to pay the
Court fees, not out of .their individual gaining', bat
out of their individual losing*. (.4 laugh./ It was
oot his intention to strike at the influence of Abe
grown ; he was glad to see that it was inert**.
lag ; it was the inevitable consequence of that
prosperity and luxury which the nation enjoyed;
but this was not preen.ely hie mbject.—(A lough.)
7-11'hat he intended to aYtack was the gflping
aristocratcy, which, on it* limey to preVide for
younger ehildree, appropriated those places to pri-
vate aggrandisement, while their own money was
lying by like so much brickdost.—/ isifirL)—The
sinecure-place list, amounted, hr belet44, to fire
hundred and fifty-fire thousand pounds, aid in his
judgment would be sufficient. He did
not wish to oppose Flw Majesty, he wished to save
him iron' the situation in which Sir Robert Wal-
pole was placed when he called upon hie physicians
to hum his face to the wall, that he might not ace
:the black political profligacy which was going for.
ward. Ile concluded moving for- leave to
''14i1.4 in a Ball for abolishing sittecnie places after
the death of tlie present

Mr. N. Tnoirtui diet not wish to oppose the
motion of the lion. (;rsithsisien, es hr argiikper-
feetty in the rtietal oblee't be had :u v es, ; butte

thought it Irma be bettet to leave it dntil it Ivo§
brought more fully before the House by the Com-
mittee. He believed a 1..", that thr Hon. Geode.-
man had over-rated a gond deal the amount of
such °Seri.. He thought a future day would be
much more eligible.
•

Mr. 11' is acid, OW he wits nittioitt to state,
spot' the egret (manias, the opinivip which he en-
tertained the Abolition of Sigecure Places ;
.it did not appear to him that the necessity of such
abolition was once* there plain broad truths. which
no person could oppose. withenliebjimeing himself
to the imputation of dishonesty and corruption; be
was *bore that vulgar prrjudiee; it appeared to
him ea fir a doubtful point, that he was willing to
give Gentlemen. who differed from him upon it. al
tench (*edit foe integrity and good lutention,
in upon any other *object, on which-it-was possible
for both rides to mean well. For hie own Porto
howerev, he ass an adroemee for the abolition of
sinecure •placer. end should support the present
solemn. though. fur a reason the very contrary of
that which the mover himself had averwerl.--7(ffear,
*hear 7-At had +been already resolved in din* noose,
11i41 the influent* of the Crown had increased, ea.
.increasing. and onetit to hi diminished ; and it was
berretta .he thotight the abolition of such places
would tend to that diminution, that he would voter
for it.—(Haar / IW-!/—lf the irifluenee of the
Crown oinglitytabeifitwittishedi then was there tint
a greater necessity., at the present moment, whet) all
our totatiblehinenta were tripled ? It bed risen Wpiem
our decline -Ai had strvngthened by nor week need..
• it Rai now arrived at inch a height, that it pervuell dI
every place—there was scarcely an individual so ion
',awed as out Co .fel its effect*, either in his ode
person. or in his connections--(flear / hear 11—,If
there gonna ether argument to prove the alarming
height to which it bed arisen, the contiunanee of,
the present administratinn in power was a sufficient
exemoldication ; if the influence of the Crown was
nut arrived at an enormous and injurious excess,
those men could not now retain their ritustions, in
defiance of the common sense and common feeling
of the country. No man was more attached than
he was to the monarchy. No man would be more
itmrwaril to oppose any violent or revolutionary
cna.:l,ms—(l!ear ! bear!)—lle would go far:hers
and soy, It at, if any one breech was to have mime
num its due proportion of itifittence, he would
rather that that +branch should be the Crow.. ;
but some check, he thought, eras now celled
fur, and that check he wished to ere adopted.
not only from regirdi to the people, hot to the
Crowu It*elf—(llear ! hear .'l-411P? wished to pre.
.tut it from arriving at that situation in which it
would either extinguish the other branches. oe be
extingitiehed by them. file wished to,reader it less
lofty, in order to make it more Alrehle; in order
to test it Upon a firmer. breeder. anti more Penns'
nent lonnilation.--(lfeari 'hear !) Thitc" wog an•
other inlijort ntOisi which he etiettld sty a fear
words. , Ile thought there were reforms *tote lie.
cessary than this ..f sins...pre places. The hia+her
nffices of the s• Jtie might undergo Mine lava°.
tegeotaa champ-it; but tTlii.• vas • inivintirt in which
they should r.,:oceert ltd\ ty, lama by legend page
he pwgr They sitonld who adept reform iii the
who.. mode of conducting the war—(Hear! hear!)
Ile .could beg the House to. retuilett, that they
had waned as much money in atimisaiting and Oise
graceful wars, as %mold pun ease the fee-simple of
all tie iinectire pieces, perhaps both hefore and
since the brie of Mao% 114Assie was *in wee jai
adoring el steins of economy, if they only went to
creole a fund tor web. EN,p,ditiOla as those to
Spain and 11'alcheren it-m.(J.Ola CM'S of. Heart
liter !)—lie woul4 rather that the money should
sink into the pocket. of i be meat arorifilere in.
disidu..l, than that it should Le employed is
sacrifice one brave soldiers. and sully the military
repo ratio's of Great. Britain.—(Hen i Leer !)
Of ali the evils whie:i this country hot to dread,
that of • weak, pro,reithie, specelatine. Ministry,
was, perhaps, the greatest; and the -Hoer. Geraler
man would, iu We opintor, both phase asol benefit
his constituents mere by seeking. to establish tee.
uoatv and reform, in tbeir expulsioli, than if he bed
brought in a hundred, such bills as that which be
proposed to-ui;;:it.—(Hear! Ater I)
Mr. PCMCMAL said, that he did not expect to
hear the conduct of the war introdnced upon such
an ecomeinn. There was one point, which, whatever
was the sethjeet. was aloft), uppermost In the Minds
of Coe Hen. Gentkinen opposite ; that object vast
to change the Governinent—( Hear ! hear ! from
leek sides!)—and to put themselves in :he eitos dew.
If the people wanted naennainy or resins; if they
wanted a epleadid tnanagentelit of affairs • if they
wanted the cnnsummatiou of all virtue and talent
let theta not tremble themselves with systems of
reform. bat let them go to their side of the !loose
and all foetid be effected; (Hear ! hear ! free th;
Ministerial side); they wool.' have the popelstioa
of the country to support them. and the voice fe
the canopy to approve them. As for Ministers, they
were the rlrsts of Govereinion—they were sap.
ported by sint•cure offices. and the like ; but was
this nrcitoi.iliwi j05t.......s it not the fact that the
Gemitieineu wpm the opposite side, had a made
larger propoitina of sech places thaw those whe
were in Has Nlimity'ri tiovernierent ? (Hear ! hear!)
Was it fair or bwiawrablr to say, that the Govern.
moot was supported by what iii. accusers had token
care to get prouipally too their own heeds ?
(nas!) With respect to the motion itrel:; he op.
posed it. No practical man, he thought, mould
contend that it ought to be entertained. If the
• Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Warn) hs.l not
looked to it, in referenee to the change front edicts
he expected to derive minuets advantage—(a imneghli
• ;Jerson of his practical views moat immediately-
have injected to it. It most •Ipprar to eras one
that there was a variety of shades in those oilmen.
and that sonic provisimt shou!d be nude. even if
they
it. adopted
ouide principle,
wwisitlitodoi!wNi Ihmisch he did
heemet
issue
think
sat
eit:l
en
lion. Gent. opposite (Hr. Winkel): Hea-ifought
thee would do better to proceed by other means. than
-by *alspting this principle, and he -had resolutions
to propose to that r ffeet. The Bow. Get.l-• man.
(11r. Ward) had said, that of Melt Diani4s mo-
tion we, true in the time he minimised it. it mast
he true now ; that proposition. he (Mr. P. reeve')
de •ird. Mr. liurlnia roil Mt. Pitt's reform had
holi takes piano ante that 'pertme:. The Alhon.
ii,-ail.maajustseijlAhat toe war and the toriessed
exertion of the (i4llttnliu.,t, iii:reased the luen'

tilt* of the Crown ; brat he also ilerieti ; the la-
crease of wealth an.tiotelhgenee among the people
gre4 is e larger prollo tio.l 111311 that of the inflo-
time of the Cowen. '11':.0 B.!! was rather prema-
ture ; end all that hat: 1).-os4id upon the subject
et war. irrelevant ; that ail{ a tine .1 ton which te,t,d
epos its owe Wrrit•, and ►hould not he. tinolved
'nth any other.

Nlr. 'Latex defended the proposition, th it the
sic:' of the Gown :vas greatly inch aced of lac
year., and in 'steel strongly up.,11 the necessity to.
akin-dung sinecure places. He voted fir the 'no-
tion, because he thought it would have a tendetcy
to restrain the influence of tlir Crown.
'lr. CILERVICT iramtullied the mime principle.
He would ask, could Nlcitsters buy, that the a idi•
non of colony after colour, added nothing to it
that the patronage of Litho, and the addition of
levee or eight millions of (knits of Adintrinty added
nothing is it ? would they say, that the subjection
of the Luak of Englaud, and the whole commerce
•of Cite country, on ler the power or the Crown, and
t:ie itifitieuce of Alioisters, added nothing to it ?
(hear ! hear !) lie reproloited stiongly the
summer is; which the present (loveruuie,it treated
the petitions of the people ; iii the tune of the
American war, they were treated with respect ; hut
they were treated otherwise now, because the influ-
eller of the Crown had incressed (Hear ! hear !).
He objected to the system of 'torture places ; th. y
were conferred upon public accouutatits, as a pro-
vision against all accidents, and, addetltis the lenity
which defaulter.. generelly experienced, contn-
. buted to make it. of little differeisce, whether the
law was Ideokeu or obaerved. ll'llen any of them
_ were C.lo4ht tripping, they retired immediately upon
peusions.—(Heoe! beer .1)—lle alluded to Lord
Melville, and thr various places in his, and his
. fatuity's potiession, notwithstanding his conduct ;
*or did he kuew but the Hight Hon. Gentleman
himself would get another addition to h's own
places, while the inquiry was going forward. Ile
ailluJed to the correspondence between Lord Mel-
Ville and Mr. Perceval, in which it was slid, the
latter, after sobc;ting his Lordship's support, stated,
that though he could not venture to give him
any place, he could promise him a high honour
from the Crown, This, Mr. Cretwy sod, was an
itistauce of the difference which existed betaren the
feelings of the public, sod those of the Crown,
and another argument why the influence of the
let;er should lie restrained. 'lie existeince of such
plays had also a tendency to bring an odium upon
public turn; upon all ',Lech greutrds he should
support the motion.
Mr. It. S. Huh's* said a few words in Mabee
of Lord Melville. He was sure there was a spirit
of justice in the coutitty, which would prot«a the
. eliminate allay man who was acquitted.
. Lord A. HAMILTON said, he would support the
gamiest if it was preiaml, at the sautetime liethought
it rather vague, and ingested to the Hou. Mover
so withdraw it.

Mr. Semen said, Vibe Hon. Gent. was sincere
n his motion—

foLLks. to order. He appeale4 to the
Mouse, if it was allowable for any Gentlernau to
accuse &pother of beitig insincere 1
The Seekers-6, The ll.u. time. labours on-
'are a total uneake."
hlr. Beetles resumed. He did not impute any
impeopee motive to the Hun. Gent. He tlimii.ht
Ines perfectly siiii.ere; and the inure he was of art
ripinios, the more he would wish to pre.* it person-
eany ape& bias not to proceed with his present rue-
Aims, which would do greater harm than good to
,she elite' is view. The mode-now proposed ass
as. if carried ion, execni Mu, it
would be necessary to hese the name of every
-particular PCINOII anvil office spscified in the Bill,
.and, upon each of these names, nr offices. a de-
bete mat ensue ; the parties must. in jostler,
.be heard, stud sit C1(444,11t4ti0n must be gime into,
before they could be sboli-hid, or regultted.—
The House must proceed by layiug down the prin-
ciples me-which tbej would actin' resolutions which
would bring the matter rely before thetn for dio-
senwilims. On Thursday next, the resolutions of his
,Loa. Need (Mr. Alartin) would come to be dia.
cussed. sod then wuuld he die proper opportunity
for fixing these principles. The Hon. Geotleinan
then stated his view of the matter, as he would be
inclined to take it on that day. Sinecure places
comeid only be abolished by substituting something
fir them, to enable the Crown to reward public
serv:ces. Sinecures di.l not do so, bat were applied
Tor Ministerial purposes. lu the case of Loud
Welitogtoos • petition would be given, h .caiem no
insecure was reody. He then touched on the in-
fluence of the Crown, which, in his upinion, had
taerease.l exce=sively, and beyond what any of
these reforms hi trace. could cousterbalanee. It
Was, however, wrong to imagine, that the same
WIASIII1• for or 'testiest this proposition. were to con-
tinue permaneinly. They must look at their own
le., and legis'ate serordingly. Under the et.
ing circumstances. he recommended the with.
draw& of the motion.
The Csaecattoa of the Exotic's' explained.
M 6 Wiateseeso could not give ■ silent vote on
this occasion, nor prevail on himself to go agenist
any motion for the reduction or alsilitiou of sine-
cures. They were a great evil, nut in their rule.
whirls was to enable flu, Crown to reward service*,
bit in the exceptions to that rule. The Right Him.
Gentleman opposite Perceval) had, what he
believed no other man could do. sitteriy mi-under.
stood his Honourable Friend (Mr. ‘Varil), whose
speech, and that was the highe.t praise lie could be.
stow on it, was like all the others he hail ever made
in that House. He would give ogle instance of t'ue
tuisopplicetion of nuecures ; tt was iu the case of the
nonsortal Nelson. At the very moment he b II in
she arms of victory. the wardenship of the Cinque
Ports become vacant, and was bestowed on Lord
Liverpool. while the nation had to provide for the
Lame of Neboosi. %Vas there ever au occasion
where a sinecure could have been better bestowed
thou this naval one, perpetually, on the descend-
ants of that naval hero ?—(Hear .1 hear I—This
was one instance ID • hundred; they might have
mere, and an early opportunity of seeing the rule
farther exemplified. The Honourable Gentle-
man' opposite (Nlr. Mendes), who, after taking a
il sat dowel with his old onus
'stood his Honourable Friend
i Ilwn. Friend had only grounded
a turreapoutleieve betel. es the

Mos. Centlemsa and Lord to sheer ,
that the influence of the Crown hal increased. 'llw
Croon might wake Lard Niel vitt- an Earl, as it had
made hint a Viscount ; tint hi. lion. Friend put it
to the Right ILnt. ieetleinsie it even he, had it not
already been done, durst have stood up iii his
place, in the House; to move i gringo of pensions
soil sinecures? 'l•he ItOit Hoe. Gentlenian ac-
cused them of wishing to get into his place; he had
no right to say so; they oily wished to see him out
of it. He only was what lie was because nobody
else would be what he was.—(Cries of hear! hear!)
His administration was like himself. He had
' asked every body ; he had cour,ed up and down
all the lanes in the Strand to make it up. (Hear !,/
The Hon. and Learned Secretary on hit left (Mr.
Secretary Ryder,) was only Secretary, because
nobody else would.—(lfear!) The Noble Lord,
the other Secretary, on the end of the Bench,
(Lord Palmerston) was only Secretary, became
tiothor Noble Lord refused the place.--(Hear!)
They were allowed to sit down to the feast, because
the guests who were the first bidden would nut
come.--(Hear ! hear I The Right Hon. Gen-
tlemen boosted of their situations; God help
them and their situations—God help the country,
with them in their situations!—(Hear!) They were
not then to be accused of a wish to supplant them,
because, for the sake of their country, they endea-
voured to mice them removed.—(/!car !) lie wished
them to be displaced, because lie did toot desireto see
impotence usurping the highest and most import-
ant offices of state.--because he would hot see in-
tolerance there—because he was adverse to that
marrow religiose" bigotry which would sport with the
safety of one-half of the Empire for the mainte-
nance of a place-.-because he would oppose men
who opposed retrenchment in every shape. The
Right Hon. Gentleman said he was • friend to
economy. They all knew the extent of his friend-
ship; it wein only so far as he was forced. He, the
greatest Reversionist in the kingdom, or in exist-
ence, who would have opposed the Reversion Bill,
durst be have tried the strength of his party on the
que►tion ! These were the men he wanted to get rid
et, though lie knew of no candidate for their places.
(Laughter Pecan the Treasury Beaches). The
penury of this Administration was evident.—Even
now, so unsuccessful had they been in filling up
their mks, that, in the commission for the Board of
COOtfOUI, emus, to this day, the name of a Noble
Lord, who hail refused the office. The Right Hon.
Gentleman had called Menial( the Defender of the
Crown—could they suppose that the Crowo might
defend the Minister—could they suppose (what
might happen) a case of a Ministry, the tool
of the Crown. its contempt of the country.
in defiance of repeated minorities, in spite of the
mime and indignatiou of the people; persisting to
held the helm of Government. (Heart hear!)—
Such a case ! Tile support o: so imbecile an Ad-
mioistration vinold be the most conclusi►e evidence
of the increased influence of the Crown that could
Le conceived. /Hear!) Ile now explained an-
other point in which Mr. Cree►ry had been alio.
taken, as alluding to Lord Melville, when he had
in view the ease of a public accountant, a Member
of that House. who, if he was permitted to withdraw,
muter any nominal 'inmate, would escape the
Pretest punishment his guilt could meet. The
/lust. Gentleman insisted at some length on the in-
cressing iiiflueuce of the Crown, and advised Mr.
Fuller to withdraw his motion, though, if it were
Prv""ed, he would vote for it; because, bowevs►
unskilfully winded. •r premature, the primly&
that sinecures ought to he abolished should never
Le urgetierd. They were not good for the people,
nor were they the legal prerogative of the Crown,
said Ina vote should ever go against them.
Mr. Fe e.i.tre was willing to withdraw his motion,
upon any pledge being given for the &inlaid and
adoption of the principle at any early future time.
If not, he would press it, should he go out singly.
Something had been saiiinf his unskilfulness. To
this he would only reply. that the Gentleman
with whom he adviiwil was SO able, that the objector
woe not worthy, of holding the candle to
—(AbitA hregliter.)—He did not wish to obstruct
public business of importance, but none could be
more important than this. This would satisfy the
public; and they would not hear themselves called
e room, as they somewhere were; or two parties, as
a Right Hon. Gent. called them; as if they had no-
thing to do with conscience, bat were to look at
their colours and vote with their side, Was Cicero
• party man ?—/Laughter.)-IVere the Scipios
party men?—(.)bench lau:zhter.)—Yes, they were
parties to the good of their enniatry. N ith re-
spect to what was said of an lion. Accountant, a
friend of his, could the lion. Gent. who made throe
• observations, know his feelings, he would think him
already sufficiently punished. Thu Non. Gentle-
man had not been isermitted to withdraw, as he had
wished. The Hon. Mover then consented to with-
draw his motion, oii an understanding that it would
afterwards be taken up.

Mr. BANIKS assured him that he would bring
the subject fully before the llouse on the discus-
sionof Mr. Mutate.. IC-solutions.

Mr. FuLr.r.R When will you be kiwi enough?"
Mr. BAN/fa:II said. Thursday was the (lily ap-
pointed.
After an obverration from Mr. TNORNTOM, Mr.
Irtm.sa, aid the SPEAKER, tile motion was with-
drain.

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