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lions? On what principle of reccoity can they be , invites 0 complete moon of the membeis of the
tweeted ? ls 1101 the Oath of Supremacy sufficient I.IIIITIC 111t01S0011;,110dy of `Cliriet-e.eari you, sup
io, meet the frays of Ilene who dread the comien- Lords, tidiest feeling that it is highly juiproperA,
hoe between the temporal mid spittle:ll power of revile: IS terms of harslitiess rod re whicla
the Pope?
.L hope no Noble Lord will, this night, , will not repeat, the religion which iti roach,sc
-eontenite/Juartbiterstifeetiasud.yulitie to cootitioe , Even in she very tnues when these Acts were Puma li
tee* whet, a Artistic moss rind* politicol roroion can. 1 ..-is the midst of the heat sod analetY .that luss-1
1...]
not he "adduced for their iterpettiation. The i vailed-.uot anv 1"11 lirtstm, urrid 1° the
Li
tru".."74
liisetheiteso of lite-abat llStle Charles I I. goes to 111 n the same greeted., and many opposed it. u!.
the resfintetation yf Certain speculative Mid Aloe.. 1 luck disliked it, lieoluse it was sweating se.lutdaft ..
iiii:;.l"tros.T.ltest he serried decimation ',resettle I. eittly-:Sir W. Temple objected to it strongly-Mid
_ninth fax_thee„ , tctiet viii'' i.litututii:es the doctrine Bishop Bunted &dared that it 1111418 along
I
of trisustibseenthitioss.,Vet 0 acetates the inaucatiun to, derciibe this part of the Roman Catholic TOP.
_Of seerts. ilpmereiliceOf w.% the lo and the worship glum as idolatrous.
heu
t To
he 611ladt8/ the tempepassed, 1
r which '
of the.. Vticsats:.M4rin, as i(101411“114 dud super- 1 prevailed in iti77. w
?Miro**. What, toy ItiVds ! while yuu exclude I will mail a short extract from the interesting work
)Moose from theoelaimete• id the Constitution, is ~r Mr. Evelyn. t
' On
theu irtl sth or Novemsaber, ten,'
it ,ercessary elves :it° revile them !—(fiesse.)- i slid he. • I wen to Co. never w the Court
Net oily the Catholics of thesegpieitsies, but every I suture grave or taccused of She courtiers wore/outi nge wri
the plot, ings. The
people 111 ' 1.,..111011,11 °WWI 110.1 d the same seltgisses nor n
tero.t. I -( I fear, keur.).--Surely, toy Lord, it is i order to create disquiet-but the Kin was too
most dreadful to the Catholicsto be thus held up kind a husbutel to listen tsent o such sugg
eestionss
to their felloe-subjects as.tnes...t who obey a blind Several Popish Peers were to th Towel
t•lolArt ? dui, my Lords, you -sultectibe this tie- accused by Oates and his coufetlerates with tree-
duration, so staling the rclogion of the Catholics to sortable practices, and a law was passed to &no
be ittoloirott's and superstitious. without soy sere- qualify Own from ewer sitting in Parliament. 1
puha'• examination, of it -awl this you may immense • went whitir S. Godoiplint (a cheracter, r id Esti
to be a reasoir for its c niiii•owiee. Nly Lords, I he- Grey, or great note) to he resolved whether
lieve, that to these matter. very little attention has 1 inmates were idolatrous, as the new test expressed
Imo! pall. *lt is an error of our Grorritment, that, iii i it-a declaration which several good Protestiuits
eery deemtitiesit connected with it. the practice of 1 mild by nu weeny believe.' illus. my 'Lords, it
taking oaths prevails Ii e toostexteusive degree ; and I appears, Ilnd. Oren in those times. when toed s,
the si dotal comequence is, dial it lessens the solein- and apprebetotions of men were elicited to the
nits. of that wicied obligation. Previous to taking our 1 highest pitch, several good Protestants doubted
teats in this llouSe, we appear at the bible, and 1 whether those doctrine* were idolatrous. On
belie rearl, in a low and hurried voice, by one , this groom!, my Lords, the iinpropriety of living
clerk, the censure on the Rumen' Cathodic: church harsh and opprobieous epithets, with respect to
--the declaration that it is idolatrous and super- religious doctrines, and at the same time stating
stitious. The oath is passed over With little alien- those doctrines as the cause of exclusion rota
11 110-...41 Is VeCtiVtil as a mere ceremony. s mew. office, I think 1 might restsy case, and re-
, matter of course. Thus we deal with that -Which main satisfied that you would give to these tests
ought to tie deeply studied as our of the most ea• the niost serious consideration-mud, having done
• vied obligatioes of conscience. Bust. my Lords, en en, that you would. if you perceived them wrong,
4 due examination of these declarations, are you immediately call for their repeal. But, u ob-
ready to say. that the dotoriows tress reviled are jectiens are to be raised against this repeal. I
idolatrous and supetstitinua ? Du you know what must answer thens as
this well
course, as circumstouldances
have
will
is ine.oir, in the Church ot Rome, hy the havoc*. permit. lit pursuing I sh
nun oh Saints, or the adoration of she Virgin Mary ? found very great difficulty, if I had not chanced to
Are Noble Linda wetly to 'mut oot Ulgie detioor.- bee a paper. contaiuitig a series of resolutions, one
tersoinewhich teed theist to look oh the sacrifice of tended, 1 believe, to be the foundation of a peti-
the mess, and the ductiine of irmusubstantiatiute as non to Parliament. Mrhelber such a Petition
%unity of the vile epithets a idolatrous and super- lies been presented to the House or trot, I eau-
slitii.u, ? I believe, roost niftily, thud some of those out tell-but the document I refer to coulee's
%%Ito have signed this test. would not be competent ,all the objections must likely to be urged
to assign any reasons for holdisig the opinion which ageing the measure which I have introduced
the tedt siarprokeo to exist in the mind of the per- to your Lordships. This paper, I am sorry
nut at:teeing to it. If there were no other cause, to say, torlicetes much of that spirit which,prevaile
iiiis calls on per Linshhilei to testifier the nature ed in 1807, ou the occasion of a Bill which 1 intro-
of these tests. Can the dectrow of. inutrubstusitia. deiced to the other House Of Porliaineut,
for the
non be, tit any *rose, idolatrous ? What does the purpose of esiabling his Majesty's Catholic subjects
Runs,: Catholic believe, what does he adore ? Ile to take certain reeks it& the army and navy, Kwt.
-
1....,,,,,, thrPoty to be. transferred to the sacra- grettiug as I do the uew abet:octal which the' r
loriii -mi. I lie adores, tint au image, but what he vivid of the tame spirit items likely to interpteie
believes, to he the, reel presence of that. Deity, to 111 the way of a measure recoutenentied et once by
• whom allatioretion is due ? Can ties worship be . justice and by rOinintitt cheititY. I have sorsa con-
• - „slew:gibed us idolatrous ? Or, is it so widely die. potation in reflecting on the circumstances coo-
:leftist front the principles of our owl, church, nected-lritli the Bill which I heel just alluded to.
• that it must be -eouteuttieti 1, Or is the text of 1 am proud to soy. that the °pistols% which. in
. Scripture, 011 0111C11 it is hoarded, SO clear, that we liio7, were streenously opposed when I introduced
most censure it as wrung 410 We may believe the Bill, have since triumphed--and that the same
it Wr1,1.g.-4/111, we ought to recollect. that the measure, nay. a touch more extensive measure, hes
; Sled, of the Roman Catholic is derived from the been introduced by his Majesty's preseutillinistere,
:. . swum sourer bout rnd, we have drawn our own— surd Ws received the sanction of your Lordships.
. and its truth or error ouly pee Being. all-wise and without inquiry, without debate. without opposition.
ell.perfect, can decide. This is of the more • ha. It thus appears, my Lords, fist what, in the Widget
• . le,roauce.te be considered, Strohm it is a point most ' one set of persons, at rine
.titne, is considered its
.I.llkolt to _decide. Let us look to the nature of the fraught with the utmost Manger to the Constitotioss.:
.• siscramente is which the Homan Catholic belii.v,ss may. at other times, be•adopted, by other iodid.
Ile believes, as. 1 have alwarly stated, in iiiillbUlJ.• duals, with pesfect soeurity, to the Gowns=
.
staitateet-tie is couvinced that he receives the and with greet advantage to the einpire.-f 51
body of God in the tracrasneet. The Lutheran be- he 0.)-Thoyet ,these resolutions Partake of dial
!Irv', the same thieg. but in &mother for,-what spiriel have meationed, I cherish the hope. thdt,,
- be trews contitionitittation, The Calvinist le-
tters es Li thy former inettnee, opposition may die await.;
this doctrine also. but he, too. has his own ask that • &scabs' and inquiry will' ahew. that;
inuilificonuo-lre. believes that lie receives the body - tlw measure I have introduced to your Lesedehiptel
anil blood of tot in
la
n. ntysterious sense which - whatever nisy be its fate this night, is 0,10111,4 e
5i is itopeesible to explain. Your Lordship*, we, to operate benacially for the empire. The resolue
of she I•,ntestant Chuich, entioubtedly coudemn lions. the reasoisiug in which I am about tocoutro-
I lie decitine- of traheulaitentimion, but we believe vert. are drawn up with peculiar eare--and though 1
th.at• ' lite body and blond of Christ is indeed per- I certainly ant not authorised. and here 00 positive
teethe lisle° by. the faithful ill the last stupper.'-- I reason to state slid the Noble and Learned Lord on
In s.l.lbe chuiches, I have tuentiutiest, the* doctrine the Woolotck, lies had any concern in them-yet,
. is mini.° led. 4,iiticen,gbl,ibeth Oodophteilly believed from the sort of professional and technical emu-
i„ is-tha the oillueitioetriee was held by Arelobt- racy which pervades them, and. from a- particular
i•hoili Laud *et sudisentatile-surl uljuY Mem- fonts of expression which didieguislies", one of
twes of whet is called the High Church, avowed a them, a form which is tweedier to persons can.
..onta. belief. What I eish to call your Lordship,' meted with the Court over, which the Noble and
„,t,„6„„ to is ihn-whether. on a point
oh such u Lesreed Lord pre tiles-1 think, that, hewing ben,
tiature--too logii for the weakness, of huan fril2oo he tird instance drawsi up with much cure and
. s., 4,-...rate ori..-it is nut teo much fur us to arrogate labour, they afterwards received the observatiopand
t to moselves:the intentions of the Deity. %a
and state uction some it
of
udiideaL wh kuowedge eud
! what is the true or the false priticiple?--in other
whose cauticni went Ittied-in-banose d. The'lfifit red).
words, threlute that. which can be kinown to Him, lotion declares that the Coustitutioti of this coup-
We }'act* from wl ths Gospel is derived ? try was essentially Protestant. in Chun* and
. 'nay on our town lielief-we way 'act piously State. This is a poeition- which I have mein-
- Anil even attired, on at-but we sought still to tuiued, on all questions or this nature, us firmly
7,.. eotioltict ourselves with clarity to all those who us the Noble and Learned L
Cord hes done.
,1 hd ave
hold diltereet opiitions.-Wear.. hear. hear.)-It ; *lvey, • /opted. .that the, onstitutiou.is fistia-
- ire suiely, most improper in us to use term. of i tawdrily Protestant. Witt these deciatlitions, 1
• reprorielt to the Rusitau.Catlisdiee, with, respect to a i maiutain, do not trod tu give security to the Con-
. 1,,,,,t oil which% a great diversity of opinion prevail* 1 stutitiono-they oppress °tie party, they benefit
nonotiest Christions. I have Odes( that the Uidi 'toile, and, therefore, 1 wish them to be removed,
- t , e.s.hutt h enteerestr one idea .awn dos parte:Mar soh- , !1 hr secoed revilement declares all the blessings.
; . .i:t, that the Chtestuists aced Liitherans are alroili- ; which.she country has eirjoi,e(l nutter the' away of
; sidedv in minuets. Bishop V.`urburens held one.) the Dome of •Brunawick-s-expresses the wish of
. rtsctrine. &situp Ilosdly another. Tire latter s•uts. . the meeting - that 'the reigU of diet house may
• • thieved the cowhand or a t•idatrie cosittneinorebou.l long be 1:010111U0d for tits pieservation or the
. li, whole.er sense it lira hero received, the Miler. Print:staid religion, trod the ineintenence 5,1. the
. rect.. ,•f the Roman Catholic doctrine front that Cunstitotiou its,byt hootestablisfiedo-and proceeds
. select' is- retests:tied by or, is Ilf.t Si-' great M. to• to state• that.' the meeting t* Riled 'With atom,.
• avow ei* to erasure it, tenhout stiandesting a dines iii- whets the least attempt is Made to destroy , any.,
- tine oh frelttig, the exis•tente of *hid) it is mot ter., of Attie securities by which tier liberties, of
Oviform to see. While I am on this.part of tietiabe . the powle of thiscputry are fenced mid goer&
jets. i wish to cell your Lordships' adenine' to II letter ed.; This. inastiag was Issld, it eespe. art. under.
• %%retro by Areithoshap Wake, a great sod Newell the anripiess of a eletartata .or vita. Church
teen*, whs. had v weied into a ClBllfaveily with tne_l of Plsgl&ndi and this resolutiou pont% out the.,
Demote of the Siebonsw, seed. baying oxantinell 1 particular retwousselocli induce him. and the other
• the ort;Cieit oi lamed sand dowtrine of the Catholic 1 indiviiluala whoptteeded,to wish that the Proiestaor
I erlicion, sod entered a intodetailed extitninatime _Come:moo of this country sheaf(' be, pleweteeel ia-
• of the 39 articles. .41d-tared that there woe hole. violate.
1 give them, eredit .forilte stot(sety they
rtiffere..ce to
whee coolvtituitois Of thr two religioste,-- itiorsiftsit 10 avert from the Coriptilution attLelanger .
[Here 'the' oble Earl rein& a lung ettruet, its the that serves to threeten it. however flelleeta it airy ap-
Latin language, Irmo Dr. Wekr's letter, • *hick pear. Haring all equal attachment to' thorighte
we (wild sett aucurately coillect.i--Web thin ; and libertiet of the people. lied tit-the Constitution
Nutliolity troottinued the Noble Lail:, that. in. 1 of the Cuisatry, with those fleptlamen, I regtht
the articles tol doctrine, these is not 11111COdifference 1, extreeirly, that when seta trending; materially
-515 ecclesemotical daocildiot less--inn itioddiaseti. : itruciiiiiil, 011 those laws which are the main support
:As, roue or hardly oil-owl when this pious ! usn
lounthetion of the tights . of the people, were
Meer, su the true *pelt of Cluistiau charity, I eruisesed.hy Ministers, thee saute auxiety was not

theme he this resreclol•le body
. r •,
a that whieb sbiry rleclera they veuirate so highly.- Wield 10 fur""'l I's ;II:, Vs:" 4:4ltrectiorti • 1
The third resolution "rains tie Acts which thtf written to 14"ur o' 'At ''''it -- '''
for the preeeration early enter& 4)ltjectiernitle tesess,l4..olgort
wise ilidicy of 'Me oneeatile: hiSit cAstirti jr4to rite& rose lOW article of the Peak it hugilips ice'
1
iloillisit6t7llle, upni;Lil lilic°lll:lll(l:l4l:4‘llPhitillilli"Mr4it4eidenfi tilher nh111117141; Cl9lll:l4itrlttl:Ltilisuiestiji(7l4:te*lfileriiiditalirent./1:::::!,44131.
ferutcol)e by *lnch the !topsail Catholics were ex._ A thsinsiu.) to which our triered Sovereign de.,•
eluded from- holding office. • Imienuch as (tigers 'dined inaltingifie-'far.linum'• ' 7n4ttr meat(('
good laws were made for the dismuregerueut of I was practised in
athol
Ceti;olic coltutries tvli
ct. tieiverbally
re
Popery to this kit dojo, but were prevented front ackeowletleed. VPIV Cie ountry sa
having theirdne effect by the meets of POlfirit re- one-J.thai iftieft-Wl:TiiitTOff7teireints—rrfdriiiijoiet.,....
cutout*, it was foiled ere yto past the 15th of iit was veBithinaly',..4terstlor4. ...the asiktePreetotOrl
Charles 11. by winch no Peer of the reelitt, nor 1, Rome itself was pion tulerairt• N 01515 Lords
person elected to serve ie Parliament, was allowed who tlien heard him, lied is,:lorisl•olltit.:!
o,tostaeleiseibrlowicue.
to take his seat, till. Imbed subscribed the declare. i of the Pioteirtaiit clitirch,
lion of his having renounced trensalastentiaiims. 1 The Nolile Earl their ati;eried to thee pad of the-
The forth. resolution staled, that the *ante deck- I, resolutiou, winch argued. that the centouniace of
reties') red mithoorrem‘J•quireil by the Ultimo of ' there teats wire the some ileeewarY since 1069:
Scotland mid ' Ireland. The fifth eels forth, that Ills Soyereiga Pontiff hod duected the Boman
the meeting it informed, and believes that a Bill Catholics to tinitinguish between passive oaths, that
(describing the Bill new before the Housed; in it. .might be !liken, and active oaths that might not be.
progress through the (louse of Lords. The tith • token, and declared all 'nook pit-judicial to the
• resolution state*. that 4if this Bill be carried, not I Church to be atoll sod void. Olt Itas i • t the Noble
nely rests its ths-Stro.Houses of. Parliament, but the Earl argued, that it was (lomat IDI any mats to
• olfice of Plity Crinnselleq. -mid all the great offiges propoite to ortother a•t improper oath—it was end
of the State; will, be thrown moot to the Ittenan Minsl also to hike t*, but the crime was deohled, i(
Catholics.' On this point I wilt at once quiet 1 the eel,. to wilich the oath enured, were performed,
the fear. and alowelteusimis of these good and 1 " I apprelseted," ,itaid the Noble Ear 4 ot diet it is
pious protestant., by stating, Brit:with respect to • principle, not of the Chunk of Ironte, hut of
the l'rivy Council, and to the ttreat OlNeem of every Christima community ou the foie of the
State, they would have precisely the same'smarity earth, that an unloafal Oath cannot he loading.
for their Oleg. occupied by permute professieg the !will venture to soy, liset there siever was a more
Establisheit Church, after the lensing of the= fishes* 'airily usiftainded calmuny than that Coll-
sent Bill, as before it. The admiosion to timed is the prepoinuen, imputing te, Catholics an
situ:ono:it his been guarded by the oath of sti. .utter dewing!' tut, theit oath to n l'roteateut
Oreutary, end- by the . jealous vigilance of the Prince. If -the *II of the Cathofic were ins-
PeOteitstit l'ritice—which Would not be altered, posed - contvary to his religious said belief, it
.i any reaped. by. the Bill which I propose. were vain' to oak hum to take it, for then it
*These hentlemen inform us, that they we; with would be to. incur an . unwilling obligation,
great alarm, the proposed elttration--and your exposingelsint.te the °Aram censors of Isis church.
I.ordohipti &mist be aware that a state of alarm is to a whist le 'which •he cools' taut remove, except by
boreery favourable to the.effor sof the ressoniog •contrition or repentattre. il-watt • relive of ore
fatuities. To this 'circumstaitee do I ascribe the Cluistiao doctrine then winch psecluded the Critho-
abeence of every thing like feet and argument in lies foam inestrriug obbgaitions. amtiost the dietries
these resolution,. The 7th god 6th contain OW of Weis comeonscientious belief. TheN
,were surely
allegatioes, but they are indeed mere assertions, with• then.• entitled to• the credit of situ-saint .fate. the
out any proof whatsoever. These Gentlemen are fiteliagni they • had . disatlayes4 a•pd the. epeeist-.
greatly afraid, that, if this Bill were passed, the oath ency: with,. which ;bey rejeeted ',to. lath? thot
of supremacy, which would still remain, would be in- diortuatitled them; .To.tell them that _tloof could
effectual cud unavailing. Why should they think sp ?: +Wide° faith with Hennas was 01 eliceitO-soustl" to
If you examine the history of this country ypo milt 4their tiiiirdintheimmidetioa to(;a11. mond obligetion,„‘
Iliad, that, from the tilos of Queen Elizobells Ali Jelol its'eetWel it boa after li.obed. bad the sttoetteet•
that of Charles 11. and downwards even to- oursitus *till ellone coltritrattlf4trooktfi the Tltioce.fits of their-.
lime. the oath of supretnacy has been fnuud to tnootlyrisioipitrai :feta theatatimt t bey sotf nisi tied
Operate as a complete hoe to the Itomen CatholiVri;• 'tooll'a duct rine• was to irevivoshe-whkesslumuious.
with reference to every situation, adtuitsion to Which* rottl exploded' imputations which Slosit.tputs refuted
Could only be gained by subscribing to it. lido ' to. the ntiroit of. everst.usait or 'muse
,and reoso4!:
lint meats, however, to deny, that many the ROnlin Tbti i.donnabitt.etocteute.' wie:the 'tempt if your,
Catholics in all probability came into office froilt - lets 41•6Ctlinktitt "in ditieratioisigi .to., mallet of .
'the time of Elizabeth, when the Act of Supremacybelief. avidiveto even-utmost/le str4 tocosoistept with
Was framed, down to the Seth of Cherie' II.; but itself. lltiliwhY mho to •Ilanthltilto.olll%teldtelf
Do inference east be drawn from thence that the there were reettoe and Practice! -ifoltellfeltref. Oki '
'oath was ineffectual—for misty Catholics might , t way in Which the See of Roma viewed the path of
'consider it to be an oath that they might contemn. oblikotion, to .be token to Pantalets'? Looks foe '
Howdy take. lit the time of Jimies I. after ,the thbittinces to the conduct of BK. rOpe .dttring
'Powder Plot, au oath waxpreemilietl for Timor(( '''the invasion, of. ROluttiortee,in. leQes when he .;
Catholics, which that Print'. called•the oath,' able. was-vequired by• theALiags of Itely.end Naples
*mice, and which was. taken for the express par- to, join' bis force to theirs, andogaiaet whom ?-s.',
yose of separating 'this* of the Roman Cithislie"- against the Protestant Power of England. The!,
religion who would - give epti•factory oscutity of Peso refdied--ofe, that very Pope,,fehese isifin.
their allegiance to a Protettant Sovereiko, and. euce over the Catbolicso and anti-fteitng towurds
those who would riot. This was an oath a Catholic ' flee British Moosrehy, was the .very grennd of th
l eir
might safely take—and it was worthy of notiee,as it exclusion from the privilege* winch*
dirk felow-
&hewed the enlightened principle on which Jentes I. subjects enjoyed. refused to form .league against,
acted in that instance.. The oath was meant to Englund ; and for that refusal-wits 'pulsated of his
1. make • distinction between those who gave a proper doutiuions by the. French, andhimself vent by
1. •
temporal -allegiance to a Protestant Prince, and Hormone into Captivity.--(Hear, hear. hear.)
r. those who refused it—and James, in writing oo the —But
,mark.svhat was the conduct of that Pope,
Subject, says. ' God be blessed fur it ! Many, of.•-io 411 e• - eonetruction of the crab *posed upon
thy 'Catholic subjects have voluntarily taken the?, uttir'clergy by' the Conqueror, when they applied
same oath, wherefore they have freed themreltei for hiisadviee. 'llekdrew au able and • juts donne-
from the heavy censure of treasonable views—and two between active and passive sibedieoce, sod ay-
have proved, that though they follow one religion limited his clergy to take and, obey the oaths re.
with the plotters of the Powder Treason, yet they mitred by the temporal suthoeiliessisoth in Fromm;
hail not joined with them in the plot.' Such was audit*, so •far as resanpected their obedieeoce
o unt to dot
the principle on which James acted, and it is pro. wirers of the State. d forbids only thir
tittle that, that, under that oath, many Catholics Fil.ie• walking or manuring Utility measureawhich weotto
admitted to office. to the time of Elizabeth nuui, • compromise •or undermine his own undoubted
ben of Catholics served in the army and navy, and rights, then in abeyance with the Conqueror.
'twisted in repelling the formidable enemy vthothreat. • Would the Right Reverend Bench opposite coin.
cued this country—and it cannot be denied, indeed plain of this- net or this reservation of the Popes ?
it was matter of complaint, that Catholics were ed. -Suppose, for instance, Bonaparte NW landed stay
witted to office in the reign of Charles the Sc- where -its Enelaird, during- hit.threats upon our
coud. But 'how were they admitted ? By the liberti, • Red eccupied • anevereny .portion oin toe
f tl•e
. dispensing pole,' of the Prince, who, by hit soil; wesituld .the -llight Rdßench, '
Sovereign authority, suspended all the . lows heisting the oisedsetioe of ouch 'clergy as were
agaiust non.confohnists. It was on recount' within the invader's power, resevvitig, hovreverrlheit
of this ei,cosnstanee„ that the new 'laws were I ownerfgel rights, oousider thenowlees as mush,/
formed, by which additional tests were prescribed. . rohe path of their duty ? I ant sure they trout
',They did not arise front any want of efficacy in the not.' Would they do ohm the Pope -woold sieves
then existing law,. but because the King had, by impose. namely, •ushinge the simmity of an oath,
his power, dispensed with them—using that audios mid make it held-et will by the triply faliiiist it ?
rity which had been exercised long before big reign. This would been evettiote of relights Ind law, which
So far with respect to the adinision of Catholtest to •130 well-regulated-Mind eouldwver tolerate. I hare
office. 11'ith respect to the holding of stets in Pm. raid al{ I thiak I cos on tke general mature if this
filament, Imu not driven to the saute exteut of argil*. ttlbjeCt; but when I see attempts made to revive
' inent. Your Lordships know, that though, in explbded bitd should doetrities, to odd iusolt to
Elisabeth's time, Roman Catholics were
.excluded
and?,iu I feel it a • duinto mytelf, to uw country,
frets lito,liiouse ( ' - ' Wady *h relief tstaye• to
. •
suasion were, by Adds'
.
tam their seat
I believe, '
to the Restoration,
ed • seat it; the House
exensined the Jr
mous. and du not
a' Member after the I._
iu the time of Eliiiibeti
touted in s.:yerg, in direct
Wipe, that the oath
Queen Elizabeth, r
sedately excise'
individuals
.doseend.frous
that the bar ,
lice from voth
sopreinecy.
the case of '

Deveushire,
Lordships ki
but the oath
be at once
ruutid sufficieut.
ohniasion
retinue can
:Earl then
7111 reoluti
'news aguinst the
plater% , Coot

that C.aSs of I•is Majtit}% rniojects svliotic (•
hair been so long outraged. My fill is inelOy
("he of conciliation—it coolers no additional power
it adonis no Catholic to Parliament. I told ion
ss4.;iit it due not scroutpli,ll, nod noir I %hall tell )
uH
viliat I think it does. It will do mind, to relleie
the Catholics from the unmerited oiliprob,ium and
hit* .tibeari.44 win al-8

=iglus 1111144.XT-lirrnx-.1 _
rrlieve A.Ordahipi.f./n4B,Te 41, J"114.'1 ,Jr""*ltY
wti of oppog this oto•iocle tfltiq ciairm lot
-fl.-Itt L-kliadadit tV ilidigriZlSMlPPEOAbtrantlta w'.4

a

•"11.411611•Ildierdds. .., .........- 7—.—
rtnir meratm..aripLos totftr .olterior testrofseeevid
einaucipalsoos Which I thuds you ought. 144
' fermi to consider, the safety of the coutert% ye.
will still tio mach to silence those mutual h'( ker.
l' eggs which sittoinge the route of your society: II
'ibis wish to adjUst. as. I .knowloo everitiortii *.s,
• the great question itself. upon • load wild hberit
basis, you cannot do better than take CIO, 0 tp. to_
wards c...ocihatteg these 10100 Y" 114v•I a° ;Rug
pioseribed. • Lt. 4. via .reittots Ceders-no. power,
thougLi it; extends: the 'hand of roticiliotion, soil
trod+ to "iliFfr Vile -ritholic fettowz-subjeets, the
we are .mthly and willing to disroutbte omit!. tiro
groatidlrss and illiberal
.iosianalinsil et.ich hove
been se long •east open three. I hate hOW, ins
I.Awds, only to. anclode hy moving the strew,
reeding.of the Bill for the repeal of the A 4.1. ~f
Charles:ll. respecting the domino, of 'rollout...ten-
.
tiation,"—(ficar, hear.) . . ..
. • Wite Bishop of. Ns/Ault:it One to second tie no.. •
tion. Ile performed this ditty with tr,e.i ,i:trtia
1 satisfaction. from o criorie'tion of the tirr.....s; 'of
ettitcliitlitsg so hifgr Mid' import/lit IL 411141' d'S the
• Romeo Catholoo of this country, who were. now so
unmeriterlly s *eluded fruits an eligibility to their
civil riol.m. It was a motimifirshicis ...old not h+
opposed, according to 11101 errirriottel., Wili;,,eit
giving preference to specoloti ve or.tittosiv:rt coins.
diction to 'aiming and.obviou. Isc d. IV syci, lipid%
such grounds that men of r..t.h tool o.lone-were to
be exclatied frorit,thiver situet ttttt s to ostrooklteir
rank entitled them, anti to which thee laitience
mid conduct under low priv-,i• iilik gdYi. ill. 111 4
Still higher i.iiieril—iffeur, II eyr , lied'ir. J—The
grant* men of every isgoical .1411101USI 1141.1 d4f, ,11
. it; Ilse recemity of abolishing the 4 (NM. 411141111 -
. bons which. 14. it, Iperg, oil ' income or rel.-
gious .opnieis, cons-614d the state of society iii
thiseat.pire. Surely the imptited.grounds on who It
.thin Yielosiiiir:er.spAbvindett, did riot jmory the
• effete. But hem it was uot the. least Mardis- luau t
Pilift angeolotseprosterdiug, that the (even of the
-Colholsm were not .eritirtfltretl -le theytisentselvtio
construed them, bet as their opponeoti, 'who mist
have known much..-4iir about the®. chore to 51....
',debt* them..... late** of Illking the dot:eines ~ti
'lir Crt halite frout.-thoir ken Witut it% the .ctspositti.ss
of theiretieseiss misdailtnedsuffirtieut to pro wutive
upon tnethisonteastpdf jectscription. 11'01414i i 4•l
eta lightemtd. a 6**nel-040084d 'uqpr yachted mats,
what was titseetAlltiutti°ll.l4.o obtain eol ils Pir us t-
tion Of the meta of the Cellsolicis isthe.their owls
doolatotilltioia prefstether be am wandering turnouts
of those Wei *hewed o disparition to listed to only
one side-Oldie questiOn ?‘"---(iiiiiti.)—f-Rot his part.
lie thought ling jra/iguterit" Sifter roamed on taking
the minnow 4 pteri.of homier opcl worths now live
ing to the recorded (perhaps incorrect 4 Meorded)
stilements of what were the lemmings opinion.
upoli Cistholjati iiiirry centtriies ago. -IVhst jus.
tici-eis • llietiNe chalging, men over and over
again with retaining opinion* which they had
long •didainied, and which urs^ mad believed who
reel,/ looked at existing Yeats with an impsitial
eye ? . The itupolicy Mid ' injustice of the exclurion
of the_Catholics.' had been iso ably dealt upon.
that lie would out enter into • repetition of the Itr•
OtilllCllls is often repeated upon diet head. A. a
clergyman, however, he felt it incombeot upon
him to declare that he saw no doctrinal religions
consideratieti Winch could be brought to oppose
the. caution of the Noble Emit—Man. A-1 lie
declination of traustibeautiation was one which
was construed according to the glorious ambiguity
of the law, its a manner in which it" utver could
have been meant to be cotistrued even by the on-
sittal framers. If the Catholics made 'this deche.
'ration in the ineisser its which it wet presented to
31sem, they might; like the •old philosophers when
they weiesitaken in their belief, factions, that they
did things is tatoPliauce" kith the low, said nut
according to their consciettem:—
torooquans kg:boa jams art tampion deo grata."
If the operatiou of Iliew lath
Mere tumid cruel an
unjust, why cwt repro, limp.? ,-..ir by onetime them
'Aloud all justifiable urotilitirke their protract.rl
'listener. ?—(lleor.)..i-sWiti it, innovation to cla
lko a._ revision ql., that erode;
.illieti last every prin-
ciple of equity in its application. when it fell on Ole
c.iimocient cur imputed crimes of those vim a cell,-
*story Spited preceded thew. .7--I iiver.)---To charge
s theseseesettlelso proposed' the rtpoal of such lays
',Chitty iiilltlit to !obvert the Church sad State was
Itiftly.sin Otichti.tion frellog.. As well might tins.
Amine with iii.juilice end. humaisity that !hallow.
13emitor end able Lawyer, .wlie wished to. etzisenge
limn the-I.:genial. Code Ahura borbornea whc '
siee.disgeactsi.iteand whom Wastes* would be Ft'
Illstyled,tl. __ -

time, Roman ....astiot.,...m .....,......... __... ,_
louse ortinumints, Peers of this 'per- and to Ow great liiidy for irtunie relig',l- prier's' to 1 ...0,-;4;WL.. the .Littatietietiwgstortteesem.--
e, by a special .clause, admitted to re- expioseittiehirrotidrialaud unjust attempts.--to*ropel t.
,to itio7____,____,....,.....eriasea
am woe
seats in the House of Lords. But, and .refute the -unjoss-and!catonsiiiona accusation • ewaci0he5.,h,•77,46471?7'‘,....._
front .the reign of Elisabeth down 'against the Catholics, and Lb esideavour at least, .iii •It was -in .easis is iellisisis: that the oltioetiattahle
itoration2 no Homan Catholic obtain- doiug them justice, to restore peace and harmony part of the law was Of fridiatiodiffg. Ho seta Shea
iii the House of Commons. I hare to the country st.liired:s--(Heer../.:•-•11 am really it ' thrisis who thimetiliit ' Glair Critilif ' rlsMt Ititietion
the Journals of the House of Corn- a loss to see in *hot manner- my motion can be - oie,c__llietw,4t-hitti too s„tvt, ob;eiti,,,
du nut find any 'entry of the exclusion of opposed. I do net ,ee how thetNoble Earl oppor
~, to sum w"r, • i . taiwi.. , .istWieni of
after the palming of the .fact of Exclusion rite (the Earl of Liverpool), ciao make any stand ~..,eligie„.. liwitimis itotAtVi
rof igiiiiibetil. I em, therefore, war. egotist it ; he deices s . that • the oath of su pref. . big_ ho!„,,,wits.,&.„...l..,Vorg:l=..if")ielenrumtuedni.
ling, in direct contradiction to this resit- mac,/ is to be datpd holm 'Henry* VIII. mat asiys it who ward, et;Tli;;"etireor. reil'oTortro,:t;wtherJat eft.,
it the oath'of supremacy, as enacted by . waslusig wive...lent to .ttat • priihrt—that it was-air rot a • tlf 10' lot. hies-foe SIM et
cabeth, was not found unavailing, but eh.. old as the 'Common law itself: '• It thin most Mire ~ a •a., ...4, : ,esmoto4r .-7' - tte.,echf i;._
chided from the House of Cowmen. all 'been framed .by out CathOltc ancestors, and surely' tiollioloor': tell_
9,011141.1". is Ali "Yoig-ttotte fur
iof the HemanCetbolic persuasion. If we can be taken' by their desc4tidants. itthey cilium; hie,wholdhleZ;TAtewhiiiheiehts.wweti...,hch their
,n, done ;bisects) our own, we shall find, take 11, there is an end to itita question ;tirthey can, , pre detteio, 46.40; 40,.takTo the best
it which prevents English Homantatlio- why not put them in the' akar line with 11w *their tortifw, .wg:- risibilsok 'them ,r,edmerk
wom,„,i
voting .at elettions is the tangle oath of dissenters from the EstiblishedaChurch ?alf I knee' lowli• jog thi, ma -„f zi-dii,..t. which dl
. A strikitgioptenceuf this occurred in nut succeeded M. inakisig toysrlf sufficiently inlet.
,'laid.ileitiolid.; i )ilt-dtiirri;;;;;4o vbjecti,,
f Mr. •Creetrge Carey. of Tor:AlAwy. in ligihte, the fault is mine, aii&not that of the theft. 4, inating.the tomonwaratuia-e74.1-otite sit,
r, . a .Gentletiiiii whom many of your which litdedeole- 'My fi'llt liolition is, that ie j. • wiwient O. pilitimbitiopisat fit, magi! the Putt,
ugrov hd know; He.wished to 'foie also election— neither just, nor wise, nor politic, to exclude. melt . ifikil 'the lifework dbfeetibretothis sodas/ wirioo.-e
di of supremacy des tendered to him, and from eligibility to power on ii&eunt •of religioids• 4 71;viir,t00.,1,1aiw,„trwriewe„,
declined. If, then, this one oath were ideal; my ettotill hi,- that these dechtrationi winds. ' .'
.i :. Sr i a it4beek nos ponialt-Pifiear)
icieut. it is iierpossible,• particularly after the Coimbra are called Upon to' make, relate to, winds.'
..'
araFif Aut rd to. this qatestiats,. nod up cv
iioii of the Noble gsrl. that these drain:. tenets which they totrintifywffirtn they do net hold,, otinetlessinte,ailit laborlimi tigation ot r.
ibe nsiclcted liece!sary." - Th.! Noble rand that they itilrfornily, disclaim the .septensattyr Ilithateraitittersoepeguaace to ilt mintswse4clts• which .'"
'c'o
penceedod to comment minutely on the of the Pope iittliss couniry.—(liear.)--I have only: ilwallaog.euiskeip•a. oisood. mats sermons. Ile
lion, mid deprecated the deducing ergo- , a few wards tersay, as lousy reason fin bringtrirfots' 1101elfrOlY itlVlbtkidrifseillrfeav,•datiorfore, to rep..
inst the Roman Catholics 'from isolated) tear'd'thili motion It tilt preariit time. 1 awv titixtbni,l'iltoteAsits;' MAI flis'oanlitthirbitityinfo
had Orn was for )
:outlined d the *inks of some 'of 'the . 1167'Wefake of peace and hirtunny, to twneeliale . (tett 4ay kbe opiiiiem, dodger
_piety: whor;
...
_ .

cnnelered the suLject, and who thought tl,a the ,
1.,„c. had gone by when such laws shmild be suffered
to rennin ou the Statute floolt.—(llear,. keer.).....
Pe Jarred widely from those who considered the
Trig Acts ps the hulwaik of the Constitution ; Ire,
so the contrary, thoeight them the.escorescenees slid
deformities which had grown upon its surface, and
which were ria offensive to the eye as they were dim.
gMeefill.to the character of the age. If the pre-
..,,,,iinn., as they hail been called, Much those laws
iiii„,,t,..,1, acre now become 'unitecissiery, the only
erwrSe, in his humble judgment, mien to Parlia-
ment was to serest them without deilq.. He eon-
eluded by cordially seconding the =nail of the
Noble Earl.
On the wieition being pot, . •• . . . Li
'flie Archbishop of CANTERBURY rest and said,
that illongli the office of the Church was iis• its•
own importaiit functions distinct from that of the
State, in the general acceptation of the term, he
could *Mire their Lordships dist he did not mean-
to sever each, se as to Make this VOlNtielp either es
spreinfing in particebir to one or the ether. He
milk stn iisterest in the result, except as it involved
t 4.• existing laws, which were wisely .f soured for
ii maintenanre of Church and State. What struck,
1.,a1 in his first slew *of the Nuhle Eati's metros,
...:, that it aimed at preeierly the sense end as aw.
, , r Noble Earl's (the Earl of Doomighmore),
shich had already heesidhiposed of by lleir Lords
.1.10.; it nut only tinned at the same ells!, but the
i,l.jici 'Coto reach it di rectly-..not, as in the motions,
already disposed or, through $ Committee, which •
could sift the details, but by • single stroke of the
arm In this
I • • summary manner the Act ad* 30th
Charles If was to be gut rid of, without any pre.
pastor) arraligement to supply its piece. The
Noble Earl ile.cribed this Act as being speculative
and dogmatical, so far as respected the tenets of the
Homan Catholics. If that were his (the Archld-
shop'.) opinion, lie 'battlet not object to the Noble
Earl's motion. As a conscientious and sincere PM-
tenant, and inember-of the; Church of ktgliino. he •
wal nut inclined to quarrel with any Catholic, liow.
fret he may differ from him se to his pritieipl -•
for au adherence to his religious duties. •Thiru tlt
he may lament what lie conceived to be his mots, .
was yet willing to respect . his integritye—riletr/-7
'file Noble Earl Stated, that if the Test Acts were •
repented, there remained the oath of appeeimittyw
hut he could not forget that he had es otmettVer.
NOUS than our admitted that Catholicsitst In' hes
Lament up to the Act of• Charles 11. under en Ex&
press exception iii favtlut of •the „Peers, if the
oath of supremacy were hot then a" bar to.•tbeir
indillog seats, bow could it be considered now; if
the Acts of Charles 11. were repealed ? He dis-
claimed any ides of impsting to the Nithle mover
and seconder of this motion, any wish to recittsw.
mend an injurious alterstiou in the Ceastilutloo,
Imt lie begged of then% to consider what the state
of the Catholic" * was before the euactment of
Charles 11.. They were. then, it wes-true, in the
I louse of Peers, but thereat dime cloggodisithno-
burro constrictions—they were there tied op oreitilets
.pedibtarque. If this law were to be repeided,,. they
would be re-seated therein a een:eliffertit situ*"
tine from that in which they Irier• pieced inform
the ',anima of the Act.--.(Heiers deer.--This mat
a perilous experiment—no sueft attitieprhad helm.
simile since the tart of James It. to
,otebliska
Catholic Knit( and a Protesting Vii! 1.--
(Hear, hear.)—Tbe present was an e to see
what could be done • by.• Protestant • Hill; and s
Catholic Parliament.—(Crier of " Nb.* w0.",i.-
It was, in his of ' 'oat, a wild and visiOnerY•ett Peri'.
meat—one bordering indeed upon these *theme,'
which led to the desolation of France, at the epoch
cf the Revolution, when Christianity= was rejected
as an idle drgam. This wcs, be thought, a pedi.:
neat experiment, and as such ought to, be re-
jected. The page of, history was. fresh with. the
dowries' which flowed from disorganiziog set-
tled establishmentsi .and he • hoped the House
would not, with shit experience before their 'psi
rum the risk of shaking their most sacred establish..
memo. and by an experiment too, ,very. doubtful
in its consequences nanre respect, for tiNtelt wile as
pledge that it would satisfy the petty for whom ii
was intended, while they must be certain it was*
displease the great bulk of the Pcotestints of the
empire. He should, tberefore, for the peace .u 4
security or the empire,
.oppose the motion. ,
The Earl of LIYARPOOL, snrisingto oPPosethe
motion, did not wean to re-enter upon •the maim
of a question which had been in soother 'ha* so
recently discussed sod decided. In One respect
titers asia no material' difference between him and
the Noble mover. end he should base op dillicohy
in acceding to his. motion, if ha thought the sub-
ject would be then set at rest with satisfaction to
the Houten Catlsoliba at tinge. He fitted that
there was no ground for supposing the Catholics of
the present dry held the tenets whit+ were Once im-
pitied to persons of. their religion ; he had neoer
hesitated to make this. avowal, and had always
manifested a reediness to make every reasomo.
ble concession to that body : he . had. howevtri
never guns we far as to say that the Test itioi
Corporation Acts were unuecestary. The Hight
He-vertu(' Prelate Otte Bishop of Norwich) had
avowed his untquivoc al desire to . gel rid. of .the
tests sittogether.!-Insd. it had' been elsewhere anti
(we premise by 111 r: Cooker),i that notwithstiordiost
the existing !awe, Homan- Catholic* cssiid gain ad.
mission to some of the
.vrincipt4 offices oh' the
State. He was old enough to recollect.w.hen the
l'est Acts *ere the 'object of .cautroverty kir•n
%hate Session. But he :looked sem their opera-
tion in this view, that though it was never contem-
plated to give thew E 00411114 sopeestioul )rti that
their ,--

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NUJ

ML
how rvefr
Isis •
ha
of
t tissue&
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by this motion ? If be were satisfied that this was
the lint, step which was intended to be taken on
thii idipnitatit question, he not object to the
NOM, Eintie primmition, lie should not object
to gratify an far the feelings of the Catholics.—.
lint the Might •Itev. Prelate who setanisled the
motion bed itstinxited that nothing short • of a total
repeal of the laws affecting the Cstliotics of the
empire would satisfy his mind. When. therefore.
it was evidout-shat the acceding to this minims
would not even furs stogie Seam' prevent a recur.
✓euse of the general simeviiim —when their Lot Islispa
knew that still Noble t,strds, froth what. they con-
ceived to be ti (ruse of imiletious duty, would not
fail to press again the more enlarged sneniare upon
their consideration—lie saw no benefit that could
Übe to the Catholics from the adoption of the
present measure. Tire major question would still'
remain where it was, Arun and undivided. lf,
therefore, it would colifer no boon upon the Cm.
'holies. if their feelings were not likely to be as.
imaged by a meammof dile kind. it was both wise
end politic to consider what the Protestants would'
soy of it,. sod how fur the proposed aineessiois was
reconcilable to their fTelingit He: apprehended,
from looking.at the feelings mud conduct of both
one side and the other. that no tranquillising effect
would be producud by the adoption of the lIICIMIUre.
that it *odd not stay the annual discussion uncut
die larger qopition, or advance the march of mu,
teal coucilialion; sod. he was, therefore. under the
necessity of opposing the motion—(Hear, hew.)

Laid GRVIVILLIt said that he sew the question
in w very different light from that of the Noble
Ball who had fart awoken. for he thought that it
was both sound pellet, and true wisdom to concede
the motion udw'submitted to their Lordships. In
enforcing the opinions which he had formed upon
this queStraiht In telt that on the present occasion
he ',buil beonly repeating the able and powerful
argumenta of his -Noble Friend who brought for-
ward this motion. It appeared osi record. as a mat-
ter of liitiory, that Catholics sat in Parliament be-
intro the Act of the sth of Elisabeth and that of
Charles If. The preamble .f the ACtran thus-
-114 Whereas Rupiah reasnouts..hatre of late years sat
in Puttameut." lac. Bet the Catholic Lords were
excepted firom taking the each said llte•Act of
Charles 11., when upon false and itifamous.occissa-
tapas, and without the previous inqwity which the,
-hi, and the Constitution required, dote Lor.d►
were deprived of their hirth-right. their-descend-
. ants were cut otf,from their hereditary claims, and
-*cosigned •to the situation which they now fild tu
society., ft was for the restoration of the rights of
those 'eminent. wawa, • whose ancestors had se-

Zitrett the liberties of the country. some of them
entlf theist' bloodi.that be suppealed to their Lord-
• einiiir-beluilf of the millions of existing
Githelies iu this empire, who were proscribed with-
out 'titling. 'that lie ;entreated their Lordships to
aceede to. thietworidie /a issue doctrinal points
of the- woralinrsti the 'Wright -Mary, the invocation
of Senna, and the secritice of the mass, they were
prints which o-aten suer believe or disbelieve, with-
out -sop conteit•Mire of'his 'tried allegiance. But it
*es mad diet filf• Catholics held a divided alles
(twee. Thialivelliremsd to be contrary to the fact,
sad tsetse weed the culamiies which sprung from .
*belt enemies,• who're; epittioas of their tenets were
unfortunately listened- to, while the aswtions of
themselves were disbelieved or dieregareed. He
had • couoveried with • considerable number of
Catholics, oho could not bear the ides of being sup-
pesed capable of bearing a divided altegiance--they
teeelleut the imputitiois with scone The Noble
peeing then proceeded to sheet that the oath of allegi-
.assce wits coeval with the common law, rod therefore
long antecedent to the oath of supremacy ; it must
its tact have been framed by their Catholic asices-
tors.--(ilearq--u)t enjoined obedience to the
Kiel ro his Comte_ a.. Justice, his Parliament,
mid au all his lawfufithe. Such in mob was surely
I strong pledge for the fidelity and allegiance of
iiie Catholics. The Noble Baron with great elm
immee impressed upon the House the imperative
',easily, swots every principle of expediency and
ititice. of repeetiog those obnoxious test'' which de.
untied the religion of the Catholics as idolatrous, &c.
The religion of Fetielois could not be idolatrous,
nor could .that of so many other distinguished
men, who had flourished throughout Europe. Of
the' tight hundred persons or more who. took
the oath against transubstantiation, in both Houses
of Vittliagat, few net attended to the termo with-
out qualifying them in their own minute at the atm
mient. Bet the harassing odium which belonged to
this oath was, that if, reiterated before every Quer-,
ter. and Petty Sessions, by every perion. eveu the
humblest, about the Courts. This ems astigma which
ought,te be rerCiMid, for the honour of the country.
lle.wceet seppeee a ease of a emseeieutioas Pretests's,. who,
ilet,hoid4ag ashy commandos with the dottiest% of the
'Church of ,Itome,might yet rot coeceive tie mcriliee of ttils
Mars idolatrous. Smelt was the opinion of Bishop Hearing,
sayti was also the opinion' of Arehbimhop Itheldou, who, ore
feeling the avemouy of the Mass until to be sank did
Dot dark it idolatrous. Asiother advantage to be derived
from Use yestart Bill was the removal of all those revolting
feelings, which, by misting a stison4 upon a large body s
taw' telmauseweeso„ treaded fir crease discord soul disunion
among the people. The principle was thOW POrrally admit.
trit, that ale men ought, in a free State, b. **eluded from
piace mid poem. merely for Ins holding certain religious upi:
glow ; vet sow twit tests were offered, tune political WO the
oilier r;ligioup, suit sorb being the cam, could any one be.
bete those to he sincere, who disclaim their inteulion
drawing distinctions fonsided us • diffirience dif religiow ?•—•
ti war, lime I—A isobleinan bearing a heredisa. y title pre.
seats himself to the rick at the table, a cotainiinur, oohing
the voice and •pprobatiiiir of„• Isrde class of his fellow.
silbjeets, roams hishaelf at tier bar of the other House,
tech yinsfesses bisiself ',Olivia to avow n .loase64l and faithful
allegiance to his hilug, declares his firm silheeenot to the
existent Constitution of the.svinetry ; bet thus will not be
sufficient, be must take • declaration &seem certain reli.
genus opinione, and because in his roaseienve. he coutil not
stbseiihe such • ilertaration, he wits eaoliseil from Perlis.
mewl. Wa? title itaclasiss political, or was it ieligions ?
Walt: Leeson* he intertained political isoilinsmsts leknicul
to Ate .wkly of she Mate, that be min exeludedr Pro—it
was beams he professed certain religious 110,111110 ; sod
if air h sere evilly the ruse, tomtit it not be mom
Meteligeonnes to declare this opeesty, hod not to agret
aseieerose liberality which rosily *ere sot rett
tr‘y the Roman esthellri be as excluded? why
elaiaM their religious feetings.be rammed SW rtrrlainu, ase.rib.
lupe. s flu emelt ?. It war olijeeted So title siseasere, Ind
it lief. acts the result 16( • Comm ill re to o hie), 4lse whisk
ambit cl had Inusi referred., has, pr reautabeved right, the
taxi 11106160 4kle suliect mail* is this flivaie was for the
onpnisitmenll4 • Cuntehitree to ideestigate all the laws re.
Witte to the Roman Catbotsea, Mid was ttipOldil priarlpolly
On taw greasti of the raid ion Wiwi,* general, end the ail.
vomits of thett;ollsolie Claims were Veal wind Ott bring foe.
weld some irci6e Molise. 'Plate regnisillia wad dew fid•

tilled, 11:1.1 I! f 1.44 •011elt il: he ejected, 15:ciusei forsooth,
'it did not proceed from a Committee.—(Hear, htiar.)-111te
inconsisteacy of such a line of conduct uredcd on cons•
mein. He tested tloire was sow-thine more ilisingeoutois
io this opposition than would be freely Mimed, hot he
fhio4dillt wonl.l be more fair and lionnprablolfar the House
En'tfcelste its iiiiliinetits at el deteirousations openly, iostral
of balding out' principles which were 11.51 entertained, oust
esilleßtutor 'mg In ranceal, by so afklation of lilirielity, a
feeling of hostility which could out he avowed.
The LAlie CIiATIC cm.° R said. if the present question bail
t derelict solely to whether the Noble Earl also. (~,,sas,,,,ce,l
else delitte had spokea with eloquence aml iligeustlYs sits,
bad addressed the House in a fpreels sergeant withinforuss.
lion, he should be 111:1114.741( the first t• vole us use affirmative.
The libible land bad, latticed, dour amok juslic: to the sub•
ject he had undertaken. Far different, however, werelets
sentiments with regard to the iiisileticy- of the measure, Its
• bad iiitrooluced,-thai measure sent, lie was couvificed, to
she destriictioo•4l the Protestant Coustitutiotsid this lil/UU-
try. It was now many years store prupositious were firs&
submitted so Parliament for the removal of the laws impus-
tog disabilities ou the Catholics, by an illustrious Statesmao„
who hall dune biro the honour of seGering bin, to call him
Mend; but in wahine thom propositiolia, Mr. Pitt, to whom
he alluded, never intimated his iateution of taking caeca.
.000 s irithinst:,eetairiag securities for the . Established
Church and Constitution. What the securities were, be
Add . aver lashed, sod even onti) this night be had always
Medeadood Oat the Nair Lord (Grenville) was • friend to
;the Ityitesa of seenrilieSt hut mild those who namely dmiir,
el the safeti of the Glenrch mid Coostolution, adopt this Bair
'Waal seven tiel ! Stile Noble and Learns( 1. ir4ll tletlmir4.,
Ili that it Was broom they were friends to the church they,
desired ftia eiliipliur .if this measure. He doubted out their
love for the church, but it was hot a hide singslat that
them olio were avowedly neaten cat the church desired som.
newly the mine meseere.—(Hirer, hoar.)-Ile had uevee.
ripArred into the dimusain of the greet miestion of the.
Cesbolic Claims any whet. hut itt his place is Parliametel,
MOO .while be had the llama of holdiug a sem is their load.
*Pe Meuse be 'bead feselesely express his intaioal. ob.
Pohle Lord bad ;peas delluition of allegiance, but it was
laid dews by every writer a the la* of timiland. that 'lsere
twesam bite allegiance mane the King was asknowladthld
la bend both of the Church and fete. The tangent(
toed then mewed into an histori -al• view of the?
Arne framed repeat the admission of Booms Cathskss ions
of treat nod power. The Act Of thipeemen was'
in the reign of Neon VIII.; Odd was repeated by •
lbe &Cot Philip mid Mary, end never didlieva appear so •
sbalallful and De altandoned a hornitiatioir•te is Write
Power, as war expressed in the preamble of dist 4et. That
Act was repealed by the Ist of Elisabeth, but it as maul..
fret from the recital of the Acts of Charles If. that the .
Act of Seprenuity alai was not sufficient to prevent
Catholics from sitting in Parliament, and the Act of
Charles was further enforced by several Ara is the reign
of William. These esactmente WPM rendered necessary by.
the public service sett were passed set the same principle es.
she Legislature declared that on person should sit in the
House of C 011111391111 unless he were possessed of 3001. a yeas,,
nor vote far a Member. velem 1w were possessed of a frets
bold of 40e. yearly mtge. He ilimied that the animal Ad:
of Indemnity proved any intention on the part of the Leger,
latore to ditipense with those laws, it only 'hewed that it
might be proper occasionally to secure persons from lise
penal couseoueocee of having perhaps unintentionally iti;
elected their provisions. This Act had beets lately Wed,
as he naderstood, in • manlier he would oat say airy
unlike a statesman, but very unlike a lawyer. A wish
had bees expressed that some Judge, or person of that
character, would refuse to take the oaths and rely upon
the Act of lodations, ; but with what face mold airy Judge,
appointed to administer the law go into his Cones, violet-
iag its his owu person tide of those laws olsielche was bored
to obey? A Learned Bishop had spoken of the glorious tam
certainty of the law, and he, being the only Inn.: it aig
House, begged leave le be allowed to say a word to deli
of his own profession-- . .
The Bishop of Noßarton interrupted the Leases Lindy
but he *puke ao low that we could sot collect wbst"hosaid. 1
The LORD CHMICELLott resumed, anti mimed that Iles till(
WO. never maul to give an aannranie that noise bet Proem
tants should enjoy place or power, nod was near mast apt
an insult or libel ou the Cathoties. For his own
whatever his private feelings may be ins the nature
doctrines alluded. to, he disclaimed the. on taking that
nitration, without entertaining the slightest idea of i
pals on any man. The tests, though Yeligiousi were
with reference to political opinions, and there could lid'
doubt that if these tests were rensoved,Catholie Basset
as It was called, would be granted. It was Psley's
0:S
that° a religions test of political oplidons might be
Wished: - He implored the noose sot to vole for the pastat
Bill. ' As they had received the Constitution fain their's*:
crews, it was their duly p.• transmit it ouimpaired to their
posterity..-(ffeac, hear!
'the Earl of flaastowar, in risiog to give his vole for IM
second reading of this Rill, said be was nee of those whismi."
lertaitied a donlit of the prudeuce of again Mimes( Ibis ques-
tion in Ike course of this Session. He milked what siecesilti
existed for establishing a religious test of a political °meson
where a political test had been already crested?—(Neste.),-
He was willing to treat. this imedicia without coy reference
to Catholics in partial:it, auceiving shyt if., the maws
Bill were adopted it world operate. the advantage of Pro.
teideflls I blinstlgentltfid 'lucid remove the impahmeots now
esistiug to cordistity ut faliog betweenelte severateltea of
the State. His Noble Friend ea tilt Woolsack said' ha
could sign the declaration against the doctrioe of OM mess,
because it was required by the Li gialature as i teat eif his
being a Protestant. But this was a MeV way of explains.-
iog this difficulty. He might ay he wee willing to she the
declaration because it was in use. He acid •be might, coil.
skirting the feelings with which lbe mass was agarded by
the lowest orders of the people, consider the doctrine as
idolatrous; but It was Not Crum the lowest sad. most ig-
Norma orders-he was to receive the daftness. of the
elsoich,ebe was to took for it• in the; beakesof itiothority,
and the opinions of the heads of the Catholic glimesaioe.
He Mimi cited some pennies from the decree oft Gan&
uf,vent, to skew that Hove was outhieg idolatrous is the
du:trine. Noisier, be observed, could be amewiosoltfag to
the feelings of lagtiolimeemben internee isooshlos 'bah to
lie addressed by thetitle of Heretics • sod if we felt that insult
nab so much Melones, why 'boat we be.so ready la op-
rem with insult other people, and to desie•Me Itellooll
Catholics mange:slide*, Artemis ?—(Ffeer, ken.) • • '
Earl SATIIiJR3T opposed the 1110i141•.lissiese be conceiv-
ed that if these tests were repealed, the oath of sitionsuay
alone would not be ,sufficient to, prevent Roman Catholics,
front &Milne is Parliagend, He qhmohouglit he omildsdiit.
ecru ill ..146 essaer re which the present sill madame up,
some Ghana iallilDliiioo. of its being merely a pantaloon
step to a final repeal of the.oath of supremacy. •
Earl GRRY• in olds, sald,he shield at at that late
hour, whets their Lordship. most be .exhausted, have ohs
ti oiled himself.. their attesstioai mete it safer. ais.olrier.
cation whiclireif from the Noble Earl who Vat adelcesised
them. Bat ho'dieclainsed soy, isisidisse attempt to obtain
spy evestoll ohjetl, amt. said, .hI howesav seximii 'be
;lay be to rpm ,ito. the BersicsoluiCalsattel4huse rights
toWhich the witialitinetityiAsy ' . '' **Gott
disdain to oak this groat objealsy spy irate, ad Wattles
amenits Hs denied, that the ohirell a. 4 IA rm. 1. • ots
snit Catholics' to sit' ill PaHlaisent, bat Should map estliiifie
think proper, ow the repeal lie these dearratioas, donate thy
oath of supreginig,,lmtmik
.tea.doplit fitligsttali,.pnd Ida
ivermespeet itrortlFt to sit is Per iarpeas. . Orel-Feriae',
however, would. 160.werie.thei4 Ise affilliOan Illesinella wed
suffered to remain, these who wish, se am• tregid,_hq.epricti.,
dere.l as separating labistiploir themihesestnf Obeli cum-
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leis existence formed a strods and irsseetiai- 'wrier,
hich it would be tioative to rtiuu.ves withuirt.the
16st serious and deliberate coosideration.. He woo
ref' to coisfeiW. tlist,..the -reti%ioOf scruples of the
:stholie ought te2be realreOrtd6iAtl ad the 4lecloto- '
ion of traitoubsioatiotiou, he did Ala 1.61)&4iti
ll first
.the Catholic cousidirld it 'iii nalitiosui.
till
nil idulstrou; to loiship the,Tiii,mt' !?I,p, ,ito
i.vceotion el gsitits., sod the 'ire" ctsif tote
1...5. He arrant not to iatpute to thew au y ioAth
Om of their owe worship: Whet -hi )01904
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ImireveT,. on the praecot octimittOs koor 19!11 ft Ili
his mutton. which would in fiae:lssr fw_g_i's!!tatiio:
ws seats in Parliattient, ticeotathietettliWiidi
1 the Noble Earl; now he. on the -eauttirryi'brd
rostot to kuuw. -that a litriqbettiofresitiktablCgs.
Isuliet wash' use tsitc the each of oPitteanscY. as wits
loagioed, awl what object thou would be ohoolued