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lilAlTLr. OF CORE 'CNA.

Lord CASTLEREA‘N rci,e, lie stated, in punkt-
!Wee of a laudable custom, and, he doubted not, in
strict conformity to the feelings of all descriptions
of persona, to move the gratulation of that House on
the glorious achievements of our arms on the 16th
instant. In performing acts of this pleasing nu-
tore, it w•ns seldom, fortunately', we were under
the painful necessity of mingling the feelings of
regret for the fallen, with the expressions of grati-
tude for our success ;--in the pre•eut instance we
hwl to lament the lo,s of 4111 e of the greatest cha-
racters that had ever adorned his country, of one
who had fallen a sacrifice to the great came of
which he had Iv•en selected as the champion.—
There were, howeier, some tire 1111 l stidicer attend-
ing his ins., which could not but he highly grateful
to his feelings in his last moments, us he ass ena-
bled to make his inquiries with the solicitude of a
father, and to receive the consolation of leaning,
that those exertions, which he hail so judiciously
and perseveringly made, had been crowned with
ultimate and complete success. If any thing
could lee wanting to stimulate the House to the
cxpressi 111 l of their gratitude and admiration of the
fallen hero, it would be enough to learn, that, in
his dying tuo►ttvuts, he declared, lie had but out

remaining wish, that the gratitude of his country
should mark the crisis of Ins fate. This wish, thus
interestingly expressed. .his Lordship doubted not
would be fulfilled in its utmost extent ; be-
cause, although he was unahle to rescue the
country he was sent to protect, yet could not
the failure be attributed to any deficiency of wis-
dom, valour, or exertion in liiin"—(llere there was
a continued cry of Hear hear! from all sides ol' the
House.) As soon as it had subsided, the Noble
Lord continued—" If this vociferation were meant
to imply any deficiency on the part of His :Neje.-
ty's Ministers, he assured them they should have an
opportunity, upon a future day, of discusting • hat
question, more befitting than the present solemn
occasion. His Lordship conceived it would be un-
necessary to call to their recollection the various
points of excellence which distinguished the cha-
racter of Sir J. Moore; from the activity,vari• ty and
number of services he had crowded into a narrow
compass, they could only be weakened by :nay sts
tempt at detail ; but there were one or two circum-
stances which distitignished this last campaign, that
not to advert to would appear something like ingra-
titude. In the first instance, it was to be remarked,
that after a march of the most arduous and difficult
nature, upon the arrival of our %Tiny at Salainaoca,
that force was f htobe in the most perfect and
complete state, as far as the talents and super-
intending vigilance of a 4;eneriiicould effect ; in
fact, he firmly believed that gag =Ora • competent
to the service it was nitroJed to perform, nes/rept
took the field. Amid here his Lordship thought it
right to state, that the gallant General ht), from
• thorough conviction of it's practicable utility,
selected to march by hind, in preference to going
by sea; and that without tukiaig into consideration
any. deficiency of transports; and to this prefierence
his Lordship considered we owed, that our array
was in it condition fitted fur immediate service, by
collecting its resources as it proceeded; and thus
far the gallant General was 'essay entitled to
our gratitude. This army wonld'have View found
every way equal to any force France could have
brought against it. for all military purposes, if it
only 'waved to withdraw the _French army from the
career it was proceeding in, odd thereby giving
the Spanish tooled time to rally; and his Lordship
hoped, if it luol been found practi,/able to have
attarkel 'Marshal Soak, • that thi event would not
only have added to the ilivcii4on, but have given
additional lustre to the British arms, awl have
roused and kept alive the ardour of the Spaitish
nation. With respect to the diversion, he would
assert, that more prompt decision could not lie
displayed ; and as to glory, although the •gallsiit
General had sacrificed his feeliu s, lay abstaiiiiim
in rhe first instance front seeking it, yet had he the
melancholy opportunity of hespiesithiog it its
utmost 'splendour in Use termination of his career;
said a greater instance of splendid achievement,
he would venture to say, was not to be found,
thins in the victory of the 16th instant.
When we see an army, wader all the discourage-
ment. of weather, making good its retreat, wilco
we co ler the vigour with which it was pressed
by a force so much superior, to find, after all,
victory the most decisive crowning their efforts, and
that not u victory in narration merely, but exhibit-
ing the indisputable proof of emburkiatiots iu the
face of that enemy, without ttse loos of a man, or a
single piece of artillery ; this, he was bold to as-
sert, achievement for which the page At his-
tory could find no lnirnilel. His Lordship would not
detain the House longer, but moved, " That an
humble address be presented to His fitticaty, pray-
ing that he would he graciously pleased to direct,
that a monuineut may be erected in the Cathedral
Church. of St. Paul, ton the memory of Lieute-
nant-General Mir-John Moore, who gloriously lost
his life in his o weer, Killed by a cannon ball
at the head of Ilia Majesty's troops, at the mo-
ment of victory, in the front of Coruna, on the
ithlt of Jaisilai , 1:•oo ; and assuring His Majesty
that they would make good the same."
Lord Heti a I l'a rry trusted that no one would
be found willing to divert the attention of that
House from the melancholy duty they had to re-
cord. they heavy loss their casuistry had sustained ;
but from the satisfaction with which be rose to
join his tribute to the terms so just and emplistical
just now expressed by the Noble Lord, he must
stop to declare his ardent wish that these sentiments
might go forth to the world; for he could not ex-
pre v. the indignation lie felt, when he found a venal
part of the public press, supposed to be' devotee to
his Lordship, striving, at such a moment as this,
to strip the fallen hero of his lame! ; sod he
trusted if any suchimagined they were consulting
his Lordship's wis!tes, they would now Iliad their
mistake. The death was said to sanctify and can-
onize mcit's actions; yet he did not consider it as
precludiug inquiry ; but it was surely fair that
censure shottlil be suspended till justice had de-
tailed awl ascert.ined etyma,. With these feeling.
his Lordship expressed his entire concurreinie in
the sentiments of the 'Noble Lon!.

Tliv Motion was thea put from the Chair, stud
agreed to nem. con.
Lord C.ts ILEKEACII then moved, "That the
thanks of tile 'knew be given to Lieutenant-time-
r:al Sir Mimi.] Baird, second iu conainalid, the
Gem rals I li. e, Fraser, Lord Bentinek, Page t,
Stewart, I NI, I.eith, Slade, Rumford, IVarde,
Disoey, Nloottiot:lLtio, Font., nod the other Offi.,
cers cotnniatitins4 w the battle of the 16th inst.
This Was also voted Hein. (Ott.

His Lordship also moved a like Vote of Thanks
to the Non-eommissioncil (HE( ers and Privates, to
be communicated at the head of their respective
regiments, which was ordered vent. cum.
Lord CANTLFIMAGII then adverting to the suc-
cess attending the embarkation of our troops, ow-
ing to the e•crtions of our Navy, moved the
Thanks of the House to the Admirals De Courcy,
Hood, and the rest of the Officers, for the effectual
aid they afforded in that necessary and important
service. ()Mere(' nem. cox. and a like vote to the
Petty Officers and Seamen was in like foamier
:greed to.
RATTLE 01 VDTEIPA.
Lord CAtTLEREAGII now rose. pursuant to the
notice which he was obliged to renew, in roma,
wiener of the fai't!re of a House yesterday. to
move the Thanks of the House to Sir Arthur
Welledey, and the Officer,. :sod men engaged in
the battle of Virneira. His Lord.hip was confident
the douse would feel, that however a difference of

sentiment might exist, as to the littler part of the
business in l'ortugal, and as to the results of that
battle, that nekr were services more a:equivocal,
nor the public feeling build ioi th with greater
farce, than upon the arrival of the news of that
victory. His Lordship was meanies to as
triuca as possible, till the proper time should ar-
rive, :iny general iliscursion as to its 'trivets, as the
merits of the battle itself seemed to have bein
fully and generally agreed on. If we ieferred to
the most remote aerials of our history, it would hie
found, that no greater triumph has ever beeu
achieved than the victory of Viineirii. We have
had our victories in E4ypt and Muida ; hut, not-
with et andieg the event in the present instance.
might not, by some, he considered 101 fortunate,
yet we had 110 W eleusly atiuced, that ti pun any fair
comparison of numbers, victory was to be achieved,
and that of a descriptiou winch, thou.;ll not need
to the habits of warfare like our commie-, would.
evince, that meet theist where we would, it would
'appear, that whether in infantry, artillery. or CV-
'ally. our military character had itoesemert a tin
which, if not as bigh as o'er nand ex.-nines, t'-
want of opportunities, would prove that our eras:
eats, in any,part of the world, must e'aittt the .O-
periority. His Lordship coosideled it i.ecessary to
advert more particularly to some few of the eine
canistanciss :attending thts stc,nry. The 'Butt ef
the 17th of August we*, in the judgineat of the
'• French theniselvee, cot interior, in skill
mid bravery, to any thing to be mit with; but
the battle of the -gist was upon a 'urger ',Ale,
winch would remain as an example of military t re-
ties, and a proof that no arms ever did, or could
accomplish, more than we del upon that occas.oti;
and it was no mean pr: oe over the power of Frauct.
to be Ode to say, that our army. after just land-
ing, was in a state of readiness to advance
them ; that in the event, at least one-fourth of their
force was annihilated aryl that out of 21 pieces of
ordisauce, which they brought into the not
more than right 14caped irons oat hands; tort I.e
considered. that dwelling ea these topics would
only serve to weaken their effect. His Lordship ex-
pressed an anxiety, lest, perhaps, the course w bleb he
lilt himself found to take. might besubjected to
misinterpretation. '4, He could nut coiteral that lie
beard a wish expremed that the minima Sir H. Bur-
rard should be included in the vote of thanks:
and hr ellinnederedit in asserting, that hie feeling*
were wholly adverse to any thing which might in the
most r. mote degree appear to trespass ui,ol. his well-
known character; indeed the gallant General had
linsseif suffcieutle rheisn his owe sen-c of the
siiiess, be his mode of aiming, in not suffering his
oatue tot he mixed %jilt that of Sir Arthur Wel-
lesley. His Lordship owner.' that whets it was nix
thtty to submit the affair to Ili, Majesty for his
directions, lie iiev.r thought of paying 60 bad a
oniplititent to Sir Harry !torrent as to advise the
convejing applause direct to him. but rather tl:ro'
hires to Sir Arthur Wellealer; mid His Majesty
himself was pleased to express his eutire apps
tints of the &steer, for hiving given the credit to
the latter, as having gathered the laurels wait upon
that occasion ; and to niuke any alteratiou mei
would be to reverse the natural order, by depriving
Sift. Wellesley of what he had doer, and after
Sir Harry Barran' leanag him in possession of the
merit of it. His Lordship trusted Ott that House
would not now be niggard in their prisoi when they
recollected whet had been tbeformer services of the
gallant General. it might be 'aid, those services
kid been performed in another hemisphere, and
where such resistance was net to lie met with% yet
there it weal(' be found that the Caine vigour arid
skill had been exerted, as he brought with him to
the battle of Vimeira, and that en army better
commanded. or more ready to follow, never took
the field. His Lordship irotielottpl with moving,
" That the Thanks of this House I.r given to Sir
Arthur Wellesley, for his nieritoriuus services, ic.
the battles of Om 17th and 214 of August last."
Tlie Right lion. LIMEY ADDING;IIIIC observed,
that iii the vote he should-give this night, he was
not indurated by any considennines of personal
uttuchnicut ; he was willing to alien! his concur-
rence to the motion, from a conviction that it was
due to the meritoriods officer, and the army that
fought under him, and he felt cantioc:al that. if
it ware passible to submit the question to the natives
at large, it would be received with acclamation.
His Lordship expressed a hope, that gentlemen
would shit in from introducing topics into this
debate, which might disturb utienimity, and pre-
vent the cordial concurrence of all parties in eon-
ferr,tig thanks so ei aa iaa hotly deserved. Ile stated,
that great actions speak for themselves; end con-
cluded with retiarking. that Sir. A. Wellesley had'
so distinguished himself on this important oecuaion,
that we could look with confidence to his exertions
at any future time, whether he was to appear as
the avenger of his own country's wrongs, or the
assistant of other nations protected by tied count y.
Lord Emersion observes!, that, disagreeable
as the task was. he must object to the Motion be-
fore the Home, at the ,saine time that he felt 110
hostile sentiment towards the gallant officer who
was principally concerned in it ; he objected to it,
because Parliament was not in the habit of voting
he thanks under such circumstances, having alway.
required some peculiar di-tiaction in the act which
they selected for applause. Votes of Thanks, he
obeerved. should only be given when some great
military exploit was achieved, or when soave mete-
nal benefit rebelled to the reuntry. Ile could un-
dertake to prove, from documents, that midst r it
those dunes existed in the preseut case. anti them-
fore be felt himself justified in the objection he
had 'nude. Much strew, had been hid upon the
greatness of the *idiom mill the cothusiasal ex-
pressed by all on the arritul of the intelligence ;
that the enthusiam was great, he admitted, but in-
sisted that it was confined to the first intelligence,
hilt extinguished by suirsecuent accounts and more
authentic infornintion. It lead been stated that the
English were inferior in number to the enemy ;
bat the English were 16000 strong, while the forces
of the enemy did not exceed 1000. As to any be-
nefit widish the country had derived from it, the
Convention was all they could look to. If he
agreed iu the principle of the Motion, he would
object to it on the ground of the roe i of Sir
Harrt Burr:11-.1's name ; but the action war net
a suffieiently brilliant description to w;:rrant sii(et-
Rgitt.11111•111t : i.e therefore ohjected to the Motu ...;
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Mr. FILIIEMANTLE expressed his cordial co-osir-
noire in the motion under eunsi:lerati ; lie ;are
credit to the Noble Lord fa his disaroisal of per-
sonal hisetility, at the same time that he hail dis-
played a considerable degree of hostility against
the setitinteuts of the country at large ; for hi, part
he could not conceive what circumstanres were
wanting to this echo'', when all was victory ; never
was any one more couiriderahle, more splendid,
or more important ; he did not Audi, to the con-
irequetices, far he would separate the questions, as
tilt(' lionise least agreed to separate them, lint with
respect to the uction in itself, it 11511 his warmest
ildallfritioll 011 U applause. Such were the !mirk
ground.' nu which he supported the motion; if he
were inclined to admit private motives to operate,
they had here an ample scope. Ilia 'lam. Friend
had given a promise of what he would de, t, what
he had donu. and without wishing to make any in-
vidious distinetioss, 1 e would pronounce him a
young men of xs splendid sad promising ni,,h der
as any in the country.
Mr. lit. kI'ILSURN expressed- his approhation of
the motion; he could not, however, armil anion
,/ilSerVietiollS on the trersineist w nch hos gallant
Friend had received since his arrival its this coun-
try. He had contended with superior force; (for,
notwithstanding what the Noble Lord had said,
the force of the enemy was superior in polio of nuns.
her) ; he had contended with, and defeated it; brit
instead of beim; hailed as r conqueror, he was
dragged like a criminal to tile 'oar of the nation. and
caged opou far his defence; alien his should have
been presented with our a,iolanses. After a lo,si•.
examination, the Conn of bigotry hadbrou4ht
their Report; and, he was hold to say, that that
Report had disappointes) the hopes and expectations
of thi nation--those of the Sovereigii, as well as of
the subject. 'flue appointment of Sir Harry Bur-
rard had checked Sir A. Wellesley in his career
of victory ; had that not taken place, our troops,
instead of retreating over the monutaius of Gallicin,
would probably have been pi/riming the Frerach,
through the passes af the Perenuees.
Lord Foca:note ersplai.est.
Mr. Lana observed, that as a considerable dif-
ference was known to have subsisted between the
Officers first aial seeorul in command, be did not
wish to be considered as hiving approved all the
conduct iif Sir A. IVelleslev by his vote that night.
Lord CARTLIEREAGH replied, that as he was not

taking the opinion of the House upou the !tauten-
lars trf the military conduct of these 6i-oilmen,
the vote could not be consumed into that meaning
which the lion. Gentleman disclaimed.
Colonel (brit.% that the Inceigoi had
been delajcd fora few day', when the !louse would
1).• in pomkession of all the 4:4E1801.440t:et. ; he ob-
served, :fiat the two great itetimei ousht not to be
blended together. Sir H. itrirranl, he wits rennin,
roust be gratified by the explanation of the Noble
Secretary, to accounting fur the orniionon of Ins
same, and nobody could reflect without approba-
tion on the chivalrous achievements of our troops:
ochivvtintrits that will be long remembered in toe
circle of the soldier. lbeCominauder, young
fo years. was a veteran in experience and to
My. Witivsasso said, that he could not permit
• phe itueotion to be put wituont offering wile °beer-
'Various Is the attention of the Hon.,. ; Ice would

Wolin from noticing those topics so irrelevauTl;
and so improperly introduced iw some Gentlemen,
and would confiue himself to the question immedi-
ately before them, without deviating; to others not
couakided-with the debate. He approred of the
araniter in which the question oils brought forward
by the Noble Seeretaiy. unconnected with aey.ob-
jectiouable matter, and applaiseled the speech with
which it was occompanieil, As expressing, in ener-
getic term*, muttruetits most worthy of the occa-
sion. He also admitted that Sir A. Weiiftley was
entitled to the highest praise, not only hir his con-
duct in the battle, hut for the manner in which l
had conducted the troops previous to that battle;
he did not, bow, ter, think that the House could in
justice omit Mitts Office r. who pnrticee•ted in the
exploit ; they could out omit them, especially on
such a day as this, when they were met upon so so-
lemn at, occasion, when almost every family in the
country had some tvlistive to deplore, intne fri,•ad
to lament, and .when they refleeed that one of
tiose very Officers entitled to he included in the
motion had lust a tion.-whose es.ertioes might have
reflected honour upon his family. and transmitted
his name to posterity for ever. Sir A. Weliebley's
high mind could not, be was persuaded, he jealous
that Sir IL Berard was connected with him, nor
could any of hir friends be dissatisfied at such an
union. Sir H. Ilortard had acted with generosity
towards him ; he had disclaimed the glory which
he did not consoler properly, his own; and shall we
resolve to deviate Irvin the usual forms •of the
House by refuting to include him ? The inclusion
of Sir H. Burrard's name, lie Said, was 111.11.0141 T ; it
would express the sentiments of the House of Com-
mons upon his comluct, tablets otherwise might he
subject to the imputation of having met their dis-
approbation. If all the respoosilillity rests upon
the Commanding Otheer, should he not share the
praise ? If he• is auswereble for failure, should hi,
not partake the advantages of socces,, ? Sir 11.
Burrard took the command the night before the
battle ; Sir A. Wellesley had received orders from
hint in the capacity of Conimaiiilewiii-Chicf; they
red in opinion upon some points, and Sir H.
IViirrarrre were adopted becanse he had the autho-
rity to enforce .them. An Honourable ti,eitle-
man had blamed Sir IL &mord, and reflected
upon the Comini.tee of Inquiry, but that Hon.
Gentleman should recollect that there were minty
experienced Gravers on that Committee, whose
opn•uons were entitled to respect. He felt himself
justified iu stating, that the present was a novel
iltse. In rito former instance wa„ the Commander-
in-Chief excluded. %Vilest Sir Hyde Parker trust-
ed the execution of his plan to Lord Nelson, Sir
Hyde Parker received the thanks; itwas considered
a tacit censure to have withheld that testimony of
approbation, and Parliament was too much inte-
rested in the critoteavement of the service to drew
• distinction that might Tulare it. Had the battle
terminated unfortit.tately, it would he no excuse
for Sir H. Burrard that he had delegated his au-
thority to Sir A. Wellesley, and now that it was
temcluded to the honour anti the glory of our
*rate, be should share its that honour and that

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glory P Uonn those principles, he mid. and net
from any prorate or persossal consideration (fur Sir
11. Uurraril was * stringer to hins), hie thought that
that I )fficer should be included in the motion. An
Honourable Gentleman had wade seine remarks
upon the reception of Sir A. Wellesley in this
country in terms or indignation, but he was sure
that there w is nothing in the reception which that
ilistin,rmislied Officer met, injurious to his feelings,
or unworthy of the great action to whose accoin-
plishnie.it he had so successfully contributed ; whe-
ther Sir H. Burraril experienced the like reception
he left to others judge. As to Cue difference be-
ta eeen those tw:. Officers, no omnion was expresser'
by the Oiruinitiee, but one of the Members had
stated, that if he wrs forc.al to ele•clar.• an olwuiou
on the subject, it would incline rather to Sir 11.
Hormel than Sir A. Wellesley. - Ile eaueladell
with. observing, that his duty, as a Member of
Parliament, induced hirer to take the part he hail
its the debate. and that ha ahauld not have con-
..sidervil himself acquitted to the country, did he
not endeavour to teat are the drunk., for a de•serr-
iii Officer. under eircanistancm that mold not
justify the HOuse iu withholding. them. He then
moved" That the nameof Sir H. Burrand should be
inserfcil."

Mr. PraCEVAL timid, that they should distinguish
between the battles of the 170 and tint. If Sir
Hyde Parker were thanked, the rrn.sts we* es !weedy
•fated, namtly. hi* able disposition of the force:4;
but could Sir H. Burrard be thanked for his din-
ponitiono after he had h:ruself acknowledged thtit
both the disposition anti the execution weir. by Sir
t. tVelietility. Ile wan towtorised at the Noble
Lord under the gallery, fur his attack upon the bat-
' tle*Of Virneira. Ile did not think it flur to fritter
away the repot:atoll of a great tAnlint, or interfere
with the high character of one uhu numbered as
ninny yietnrie.s a* lees.
Lord l'w.tttrusta esithit ord.
General IiTU•ILT said. that it would be impos-
sible to explain to the soldiers *shy Sir H. Rarrard
was thanked. if the House Arica-mined uu that
memories; he gaoled Geoesal Aiu.truther (who died
1 of fatigue) in praise of Sir Arthur Wellesley,
bat regretted that he !Outsell was out pre*ent at the
I battle.

Counsellor ADAM disapproved of the amend-
ment. and Inippil his Hon. Friend word.l not per-
severe in it. Ile agreed folly in the 3lotion, but
reserved a pontr to investigate subsequent events
and conduct, and to disapprove of what was
wrong.
Mr. AC'HirsaaAa acquiesced in the suggestion
of bis 11 in. Friend, and withdrew the anienduvent.
The following. questions were then pat by the
SPFAILIER:
Th it the ThAnks of the bootee be eiVell to Air A. Well s.
ley, (or bis conduct in (be batllrr of the 17th :old a Ist .-
1 hat the Thanks be given to Majors-I:el:era! Speure.r.
and Fergasoto, and lir:gadiera-Gesseral Nightingale, 114,.-r,
sod FASO

Thit tae Thanks he given In fife NCID.OOIIIII
Dintl.lll Via Soldiers who acted in that rsig.igernetit.

Ali of which questions the single
disseistient voice of laws! Folkston.. •

INCREASE OF TUE AR WY.
Lord Citsvt.f.imsott--“ I rise to call the elite's-
Coe of the House to the important motion, of
which I lately gave notice, sod [think it will he
necessary, in so doing, to blade the House lint with
a very few lemervistions, since the subject of my
motion, the increase of the regular army, is set held►
in the recollection of most of its members. The
purpose of my nivesure is to produce an no:reuse
to the -egular and disposable form of the-resort- .
try, vc idiom inipairiiig our measures of defence at
home. This sill,;. et has beew alluded to is, the
Speech f toe Throne, and, I can venture to say,
that no topic app. more prominent and press-
ing in the present juncture of affairs. ft will Le
unnecessary for inc to direct the attention of the
House to the state of Europe, or to enlarge upoo
the urgency of providing for the requisites of wit,
in duo tisne. It is by so dc.i ig, that we lay the
froundat:on of our miiitary strength at house, as
well as of earthling ourselves to provide for more
active exertions in ether paris of Europe. The
only subject I need to press upon the (veinal...ration
of the 11011ett, is the manner in wlyieh it arrears to
me that tine purpose is to be ettivect, and I shall,
therefore, very shortly state the rneesare I Media to
propose for the adoption of Parliurnent. In sloing
this I am very in*ek enabled to relieve the Howse
from the nee mity of relying wino toy jndgne ist.
or that of th • Adiniiiistnition of toe country, (rook
our having had actual exiseri!mee of the success
former measures, which shows that we proceed
upon sure grounds, and in the safest passible man-
ner. At the close of the year I eO7, it appeirad to
Parliainent, that there was no node so prtio:ci•
to effect the object then in view, as by availing our-
selves of that spirited real which eristtisi in the
Militi throughout the country, to cone for-
ward in the hour of necessity, and render them-
selves most efficient in their country's defence.—..
When there was a pressing iteees,ity, tiler have
always shewn that great eel 'inagnaiiimous senti-
ment, unequivocally to leml their Mil to that mea-
sure, so that our former plans hove been r.Nei iited
with great energy and good-.will in support of our
regular army. Upon the whole, we may venture to
say, that no measure lies been so productive to
the army, in proportion to the limits in which Par-
liament enabled the enlisting to take place, as the
Bill of 1807. 'Chat Bill permitted the eulisting
from the militia into the army, only to the amount
of 28,000 men, and we received an increase in you-
sequence thereof, amounting to above ,27,000 men.
and many of them were the very men who had
since distinguished theuiselves upon various ocea.
skins, and amongst others, upon those we have this
day alluded to, at the battles of Vimeira and at
Comma. I sin sore also, that there are yet many
meal noir in the militia, only panting for all
opportiiiiitj of distinguishing themselves by their
inure active services. With respect to the po-
licy of the measure, I hope Criiitlensen will lie
convinces! of it. when they hear, et the seine
time, that a plan is to be adopted for sup-
plying the deficiency thereby occasioned in the
militia of the country. and the effect of the two
plans together will he to give to the (wintry the
utmost pocoble force in the shortest period of time.
If there should he any deficiency thereby occa-
sioned, it ought to be rather upon the defensible
force than upon the trunsfenible force, and allow-
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think, is the best ground of policy that we
can suggest. We got wtthiu nine hundred
men of the whole ber which Pattie/twat for-
merly permitted to he levied, and this surely coast
sufficielitly 'hew tho ardour with which the cow.-
try carried that measure into exezution, end what
the acitiinents of all those already to the. Mditsa
were, when called tyon to make en exertiou.—
Forty-five thousand men were the number intended
to be raised by the last Militia measures, aial al-
ready have there been, its the short space of etc
months, mi less than forty-one thousand Use hun-
dred own raised fur that speciyis of service. The
principle of the measure was by a general ballot,
one which nothing but the premiere of public if-
fairs could call fir. It appears, therefore, that :my
thing that could render such a step leis felt by
the country, ought now to he had recourse '
I menu to bring in u Silt, to enable a certain pro-
portion of the Alilitia to exit: r into the Line, and
that uo IteKimeut of Militia should be reduced be-
low three-fifths of its present elltablishuient.-a-
This will salable •tlie other two-fifths to vat uuteer
inert the Regular. Army. The hurt measure was
not oberely to raise roe', for the Regular Army, lost
to Anise the estatilishment of the Militia, mud by
it there were to Ire 354000 Militia in England, and
9,0 w in Scotland.. lu the present invest:re. bows.
ever, I think it will be found sufficieot to establish
the Milne, at little more than one-tralf, making
it amount to 34,001. instead of 36.000. nod 9,000,
which the country were formerly bound to rail out.
This would make the Militia farce less triennia up:
on the country, and assist us in our object of in-
crea.ing nor lingo* Army. it is impossible. how.
ever. to rot with tin- power of leillotting, when
the ilevources riftlieltoutitry can !elides to no other
more eGetioul mode of 'along a Defensive For e of
that mature; but it may be left dill to the discretion
of the Crown, to make such alterations in that sys-
tem. as veilt lead to a milder process, and one less
inconvenient to the permits liable to that ballet.—
It may be proper to relieve the counties. as far as
possible, from the burden of paying the expense of
!ening these men, and to snake that expense fie
generally borne by the public at large. i le, therefore,
should propose, that Colonels of regiments should
be able to draw (liftoff the country for the honoty to
he received by their risen, and that the bounty of 10
&nen* goieg• to the man ballotted, should go ut
enable nun :0 a substitute. Wheo t!ie Lieu-
tetiasitcy of the counties see the advantages of
tins. it will nuttindly operate as a local public
example for Crest exertions. I should propose,
that the boon y to the online should be ph iced
under the bounty for the regular army, sn as to
stand in a fair ratio to each other. 1 think by
they, and certain other atnelimations, :hero i. no
man who will not ehearfully subunit to the rat-ing
of any deficiencies in the militia by ballot, alien
tae exigencies of the country require it. This is
really a measure to repeat under more favourable
provisions the experiment of last year, which has
proved itself so efficient for its object, soul doing
away at the same time many of the iticonveniencies
of the former. With that view I shall bring iii
the Bill, apd I hope Gentlemen will delay the
diseussiou of it till the second reading;' Tile
Wide lord then concluded with. movrag for leave
to bring iu a Bill. to allow a certain proportion of
the militia of Great Britain to enlist voluntarily
into the reviler army.
Mr. TuilmET--.. 1 do not approve of raisirlF
any troupe, in addition, to three we have already
mired for foreign service, owl the more especially,
as we exigent", or ease has broi made out. so phew
the necessity of such a measure. It will be the
duty of the House to enter hoe souse inquiry,,iii
order tirascertein how the great force played in the
ends of that Noble Lord. two years ago, bas beam
disposed uf. 'Those who retrietober that Noble
Lord's speech, alien proposiuK Inc fusel stithfiu,
most know that he stated the country as standing
in a proud situation for all emergencies, nod holly
adequate for its defrock.. What deficiency has
sans' occurred ill- that eficieut mot disposable
force has not been shewn. Before I can agree to
east any additional burden whatever upon the peo-
ple, I must be satisfied not only that Ruch an addi-
tions! force is that now called feria necessary, but
that i he hands into which it is to be entrusted, have
been found, by past experience, to rally quali-
fied for such a Tutee being .entrusted to them.
From what I know at prelent from public report.
the army of Great Britain and (related has lace,,
meat shamefully wasted. Fully impressed with the
justice of those praises we hate been bestowing @gi-
me all our Officren., yet we all have 'deeply to feel
•nd to lemt-nt, that under the auspices and manage-
ment of that Noble Lord, we have experietteeelhio-
t;tieg but disgrace mid discomfiture.. I shall en-
large upon this subject on a rubies occasion, but ut
present I oaly rise for the porpoise of guarding tti)-
self from the imputation of agreeing w ith the pro-
position of this Majesty's Ministers, that they have
any further claim upon the courtry for a larger
disposable force beitig placed in their hand*, ur at
their disposal."
Sir Titoism' Tu4eetx--0 While I perfectly
agree that the army has been treated in a manner
becoming its bravery, I cannot muscat to the graut-
ing of one single sixpence for the increase of the
disposable force of the country ; for in any opinion
it is perfectly einnecossary. There- were no less
than 143.000 men voted last year. and 3N,000 men
have been collected, and sent on foreign service.—
We have to boast, tint by the valour of our troops
we secured a retreat. But base we yet to boast,
that by the well-judged plans of oar Alin!stry, is
conjunction with that valour, we have secured a
victory that has been in the smallest degree bene-
ficial to the country ? God forbid that ge,uou men
should be again sent to Porttigal or Spain, only for
the purpose: of retiring before the armies of France.
.I!ti this state of the Noble Lord's Bill, I think
it necessary to sae, that in every stage of it I shall
oppose it. Let him inform us, what he has done
with tl e large disposable force we Move already
voted We past year rated no less thaii nearly :LI
millions sterling for the beuefit of the army of
4: rest Britain, incluiliog.ordnattee, militia, yea-
inaitry, volunteers, and, In short, all the forces of
the country ; and shall we, Iloilo such fanciful and
inialinory schemes mid proposals, 174111 Wilt to add
yet snore to the poilrlie burdens? Being of opinion
that these burdens are already too great, I 4:011 as-
sure. the Noble Lord, that miles, I hear some
stroug reasons urged, 1 shall never agree to

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chatite the puldittempesdittfre, and shaft °tiptoe
his measure upon every oceaviori."
Lord ill Leow—" It la entiecemery for me to
remind the House, that it term* upward* of 17
mouths since we were first di-betitig a suiAect of
'tine kind, and the•Noiele Lord I thick then a:e:ed,
that the meamre•feeplreposed was to* one thit lie
este:tried eccesiolielly fo have rer ourse to, but
the; it was inertly ouch a measure es tinder the
circinnotaeves of the country- at that time it lief
•eepedient for Pathan:wilt le • 'dont. I bud the
misfortune to differ from him upon that twee-toe,
in thieking that even then no sit( I. expiediefecy
existed. lem still of. the same opinion, aid must
therefore still oppose the introdtictien of such a
measure a. that be now preptees ; for let us ern:-
biller what it is : It is nothing more nor less than
aitying Ito the country,• that his-teed of taking into
our consideration the Miele by which their bur-
dens may be lessened, we are erideaeouriag by -
every mean* in our power to raike a Coescription
upon the inhabitants. is the Noble Lord to cell
upon this House to rti,e drpo.ahle armies, alter
the disasters which by his misteatiagement ofesitef
'he •ilready had at his dispose!, he has brought tv'Pen
the country - The more we applaud the velogeof
our troops, the more we enlist lament the nmeiler
in which that valour ilia Leen directed by the
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existing Government of the mettle,. Are we yet •••
to hope: for, succesalful operationos feorn .itch ma.
naeettieet I I believe. that Dot even that .iehle
Lord himself can etjtertsiu such a vittiosiety.pree-
e set. Does lie again mean to send no expedition to
lewelco, to meet with the ridicule of all the tout.ot:a
of Europe ? 1 wi-li that, upon the ;wet ocresion
he seeds tin expo !item to that country, we Aisity not
meet wita an army of Swedes ie lesetile arely
against us. Although the reguletioes of the
(louse gave him an opportunity of bringing. iu ties
Hill, yet it would be necessary, I think, to ingisite
into the circumstances attending flee expedit to
Sweden, the canoes of the Convention of Cintra,
and Leidy, the expedition to Spaii before we el ow
it to go further. I really de hot now see to what •
poi's; of the globe he can propose to direte.his dis-
premble force. It appears to me, that instead of
inereising our disposable force, at this moment, mid .
muter sut h circumstances, we ought rather to shdt
ourselves up, as it were, within ourselves, with a
sufficient defensive force, to bid deßauce to the
enemy, its ease be should think fit to assail us anti
en imading anus. Such being my opinion, I can-
not give toy emeetit even to the motion which the
Noble Lord has made. I tired hardly go further
into tletuil, at this moment, than to say, that his
measures seem to anti at a total disorganisation ref
the militia of the country, for every one must see
that thin must always be the consequence of veltute
terrine into the line from that species of force."
Sir. HIaR3ERT—" I should suit be deing liii •
duty were I to sit silent upon such an oecasiou as
the present. I have listened to the Nebie Lord's
plan, and must way, that instead of °fleeting it. it
would be much more beneficial to the country
were he to endeavour to put the force we elreudy
have upon what may be called actual IhOla,lst•rvice,
for the present is certainly, above ill °there, the •
moment to toOk to the preservation of the collets!.
This therefore I Vecommend to the consideretien of
the Nohle Lord. If the services of the ereseet
tnilitie were to be extended to' a complete home
service in both islaods, they would be rendered He.
finitely more serviceable .to time country, .than by
extending them to foreige service. I weal be ,had
felt the forei• of this, when he linstiett fore:ere! the
vire•Sit of the two coutsterew. It ought to have been
a dniuti of every thing betweeu them, a uttion of
services sad motto it wilrantexes."
bie. CA Lir I, I IPT runapl3lll4ll that the N.:ble I.ore was pre-
cipitatiiie the twenties lie tliusght tit tLe Hume ought
to lame the documents, settee; forth Ilse deficiencies of ths
er.fay, b.-Tom-an additional dispusahle fume o:itos lit to piece*
•is ki. Levallakeis'a hands. He s/so eoneeif. ed that Ni noon=
wets sot enabled to call fin new levees until the*. had Bret
whews what bad become of the large disposable force ut
whirls the cautery hail beeti tit poso-oion.
Mr. I'faCCVAL mowed the Homo., the, an def., should
take place no famishing /idiom infoeunitiois upon the
subject ; bat he did nut apprehend it was necessrey to go.
emu a missile anoteeteriled desemesion to the praetor stet* of
the businees. An, liow. Gentlemen, Mr. Tierney, awl ',stew,'
that there was • sham ful olste of the knit as La, co,ifetry.
If it we to, be trust. it there week) he as impiety ; aeu
it
such had been committed, the penmen godly of it dieing,
be se longer left in situations to coterie such data:Aral
abuses ; fur this wee not the time fer the country to !taint
still or silent on such on occasmai. He wished. (of tech an
inquiry, es one of the Menai(' out the Atieniso..tration. es La•
knew tint the result would reflect hot•our mot eridit ow Ito
Mapoty's Ministers. lie woidd sot then go into the "many
other onservations made by the Hoe Gentleama oppusite, as
lie oh-I not think it a peeper time to go iatu the diem:lotion of
the campaign.
'rime v,; r y 'puke in explanation
Mr. Ett.to:T s.iel, it alit oup.osible fs him to remain
silent, while lie heard such boast made of th,• hoolo'n
eastern of reef onion from the online into the regular arm..
It was a to etmn that outs damped the 'odur of tiw. h.
her senor, .finl went to impose a fieuduleat tan on the
people.
The Question b. in, then pet, the Horne divided, *ben
there smarmed, foe Lord CA*/ LLREAGii's imrtiou,
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When Watteau,' we re-admitted, we fraud Mr. Ttea•
env mptessini; a hope that lora having mustered in the House
during the dived°m would set be emistrucol into his approval
of the Bill; it was merely aodeestal, as he interacted logo
out, wheel the doors were unfortunately closed, and being
shut in, ke was eddied to vote as if he approved of the mi a-
cme. He made this replaeseno, lest the Gentlemen eq•po..
coe milht, at • future period, chaste him with inconsistrue:„.
The Rill was this brought up, read a flit time sod
ordered to be read a second time en Tuesday IbeXt, sad to
be printed in the tatervetving time. •
Sir TllOllllB Tt /MON intinircol of Lord Castlereagh, if
he did sod think the time b‘col for fine secord resitine cue
early, onsets:mut at the documents arcesaary to be laid be-
fore the House
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Lord ICAPTLIMEAGII AtIWICIed, that he would be i.tiot
to in three of them before the Home toonurrow, suit he
hoped the ITlMltheer on the Rex( day.
Dir. HENRY MARTIN Tatnerl, "That an sccon7t tit
sons of money issued out of the Exchequer Ito til- Lords
of the Treasury, to whom disbooted, end for what per-
is me, from the year 1793 to the yet... leas, be forthwith led
honor the hinge."
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word " forthvnth" appeared as is there secouca had :Ken
refw-d, or that there was a deeposatios to keep them ha.lc
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with the emulations of the (louse.
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wet dtd,
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