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CHURCHES IN SCHTLANti.

Lord Nlvt.vit.t.t called the attention of their Lonlships
to the Kill now ou the table fur Churches in Scut-
lama. However he may be disposed to fulmar the principle
of the Rill, he could not disgtuge from the House that its
provisions were not altogether such as lie would desire to
sopport ; he should, therefore, move that this Bill be com-
mitted this day month. The 1110111/11 wet made and agreers
10. The Bill is, therefore, postponed till the next Session.
BANISHNIENT FROII Npo num).
Lord 31eLyst.t.t observed, that the Bill 011 this subject
rive to the Sheriffs of Counties and other Magisirates more
powers than were necessary; be, therefore. thought it better
to defer the third reading of the Bill to Om; Allay three
months.

The Earl of Leuaciipat.w, after a few prefatory obserea-
lions, said, that there were iu Scotland two kinds of be.
nisliment, one from Scotland alloyciber, mid the caller from
s • particular county, mil it was provided by this Bill
that if any pe•rs'n► bamibed from Scotland wire seen either
is En land or framed, he should be sent hod: to Semiarid,
and in thence trAuspuried to New South %Vales. Such might
he the rise alai a person aho had been conaicled or petty
flirts, and thov, by the operation Or Bill, petty theft,
awl a variesy of iiiisur ulremes, would be liable In a severer
poisishinent indirectly shah had been isiginally intended.
Indeed the Bill wr•ul iii a great degree to snoibslile alter.
Owe the penalty of haaishniel,i, as biilwran karma to the
law of Scotland, by the subsiituf of sootier rasiobutent
much more opressive. Ile hoped if it stem betended to
bilaulure a similar mrasnre io the unlit Sessiou of
meat, the subject would iu the mean time he maturely aw-
aits-red.

The 41i11 IV3I then ordered to be read the third ties* ibis
day Sleuth.
%fARXIIAGE CERkNIONT.
The Earl of Itoset.vs preortrieJ a Petitioo from certain
Protestant Disarmer% inhabitants of Kendal, 'waling for
amuse alteration in the Marriage Am.—Laid tea the table.
I)n the motion of Ilse Earl of -

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,Ma. and so many paymasters. could Ooy ohms have be;4ll
.9r.1 At/commit) presciiicil a Peening from a Limolomat noels less satisfactory?
'ford, of Greenwich linsnital, erimplaisting thatlair bad Mr. Ileteaford, when at the bead of the Irish
res""ed the Pett"t`ln i' hills he had WO" hi ll* we"ds revenue, was ihr lirst to reduce the distillery hips
Ina *enters .—Lairl on the table. in that country ,to a regular systetir. Ha law Ilse:
'be Irish ('leek of the Pleas Bill, the Navy Amine AI-
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'eat of illicit distillery, and for its suppression Mr.
Reresford, himself of that province, and who coulal
have bad at least no prejud.ce against tkit virt of
the country, devised the townland fisting system.
Ile lam it was introduced in 183. and for the lad
thirty-six vests it has been the law of the laud, with
Ilw exception of three yeah roily, vie. from 1811 to
1813, dosing which pirital it was lies? suaperoled.
::tai lirltlW3llllll repealed. lint tints hey anspeissioss
fur three three )errs, and the consequences of ire
furnish the irtriuNtest possible argument agaierat the
I re., nt. tues.sire. for 11w great 'nervosa of illicit
made the revival of the former sylorm
lit reaviny in 1813, and it was accordingly re-concord
0.5 that year, noon the Report of a Committee of
Ihroilirr [Jamie, idler a full investig Ands, rind the
"tittr.! i•riaeni•et Suit *Wadi Report is givers in
the 6.110 a tug word's,
Extract horn the Report or the Committee of the
Drinse or C.. ismunr, appnisite.lin 1813, to inquire
out) the causes of illicit distillation, which, it was
*Oleo. d. bad taken place in consequence of the
system haying been übanduned
mbar., three vent. titl;,re.
And time Committee hrg trite to elate, that it always
or 11 us, ilea thr practice of illicit di4tillation hits increased
y much since the ausprositou and r. peal of Slur laws, fly
...lack mars were imposed uu the simulaeds and ranters, to
n6i! 11 illreat, or parts of atilla, and wants ur piii•ale..
MI re used or found ; and the effect of these 14w*, while is
to sonnies in a great thgrie, illicit di,-
tiltatiola
In hut to its oat; investigations, the opinion
of that Committee, of 11w expediency of retuning
oasis, In the old towuland fining system, was for-
t.ficii, besides. by the concurrent trstituoutrsol some
.eet3. respectable and important public bodies. who
hail presented memorials to the Irish Chancellor of
the Exchequer oboist the same time. 1 will read
to tour 1.01i1:41111111 what these testimonies were.
Estrada of Memorials to the ChariCellor of the
Irish Exchequer, in iNloy and mime, 1813—the first
1 the principal Ilereliants and Dealers of Lots.
duaiderry district, of %Inch a large portion of Done-
gal. including Euuisfwwro, forms a pint.
The second from all the principal fllerchants of
lir I fast. sod unanimously approved of by the Cham-
ber of Commerce Own.. . .

The third him the principal Merchants and
I),,tilt-rs in Drogheda.

- _
" That the fines on towelling& hail the effect of suppress-
ilk: private distillation, fur at the time that salutary law was
repealed, there was not then at wwk in this nrieldionrbouil
any Ilona like the number of private distilleries that were
in use alien the law was enacted—and the effects of its re.
Mal have caused the great increase of private distillation ;
wl.irli is fully proved by the want of permitted It isb distilled
spirits in this city; there out befog now twenty gallons of
I. gaily distilled whiskey in the posression of the numerous
retailers in this district—nor has there been almost any
brunch. late this part of .hr country for three years baek.".
The terms of the Memo.isl of the Merchants of
Belfast are these :
- - - -

" Antosog the various experiments which have, from time
to time, loin had recourse to for the purpose of stipples'.
bug illicit distillation in Ireland, the undersigned beg leave
iespertfidly to stale, that, f the undeniable good egrets
whirls it produced in this part of frelanil, none appeared
lo them to he half so well calcnlatrd to aecortoolish that de-
sirable object, as levying Roca off .the tow islands where pri-
vate stills were found. While that salutary law was in
froce, such was the check given to illicit distillation, that '
. ast quantities of rum 111111 corn spirits were permitted from
Belfast into those district• where private distillation had
most prevailed; and into which districts, lung lwfore that
law was enacted, as well as since it was repealed, ►carve
gallon of legally distilled spirits have found their way.
" There was, no doubt, a great eatery rode against the
inipoliey and injustice of lev)iug those fines, by some of the
Vow planets, which bad been must heavily amerced ; but while
the law provided, that, in the event of any inhabitant of the
towoland giving the towessary information to detect the
illegal distiller, such towislaud, of course, should be re-
ticle., f that Fine, the inhabitants of such !mention's had
themselves alone to blame for Ilir heavy penalties to which
btu y were subjected. Nor, indeed, until it again becomes
Ws Flo males interest to detect and punish the illegal ills-
tirer, can is he expected that that illicit traffic will cease."
The Memorial of the Merchants of Drogheda is
in their words
" Your Memorslists submit that no measures can be so
effectual to prevent such frauds, as measures which would
intake it the interest of those adjacent to the private distille-
ries to pee information against them, by fastening the eou-
%relocates of detection on ilw principal parties, and nut, ■s
at present, on their poor hired instruments.
" That the fines on the Windom& had the desired effect
of very nearly suppressing illicit distillation, as, at the lime
that salutary law was repealed, there was nut at wink one-
troth of the number of private distilleries that were in lise
when the law was enacted, and the first disagreeable egress
of the law haul nearly subsided when it was repealed"
fluting ►tated one very resiwetahle member of
the province of Ulster as the father of the fining
system, I must not omit to remind your Lordships,
tint it had do less strenuous a supporter in woollier
equally respectable individual of the northern pro.
elifce, Mr. John Foster, who had aineildril the law.
anti 'insole it snore effectual when he was First Lord
utilie Irish Treasury.
Viten the filittig system was introduced again in
Tsl3, the illicit distillation of spirits was found to
have got to so great a height, that much increased
had become Accessory, out the purl of the
Exctse Board. The levying of these fines was ',-
cord:ugly pursuer! with great inversive(' vigour, and
"tit disseiniftrr A manifested by the

small distillers, under provialoos to be delettottled 1.1 Par-
liament."
These recommendations of the Committee were
duly carried into effect by the Board of Excise,
j by the licensing of small stills, and permitting
their spirits to be warehoused.
Ili addition to these strong testimonies in favour
of the continuance of this system, from the user-
limits and traders of dist province, more immedi-
ately affected by it, Null loin Parliament itself, I
sun enabled to furnish your lordships with the most
consiociog proofs. from public documents, which
c.• t rte, that the system has been an efft,citial
m e, In ceasing a grrat dr4lr;t4e of illicit distillation
in those districts mo.t info, cted by that vice, and a
vest increase and coomuniption of duty paid
•
spirits.
The Returns In which I shall call your Lordships'
attention, are founded upon a comparison of the
1 there years whilst the Honey system was under sus-
peristnii, amid Ilse three years immediately following
its renewal. The first of these periods ending
January, 1814—the second of them sth January,
I• 1818. • -

Total gallons of duty paid spirits consumed in
the distrait 01 lAmilunderry, in the first of
these Iwo periods -
to the second period -
• Total gallons of duly paid spirits permitted out
of Loasatoodeiry district, in the second period 128,822
Total callous of spirits lees ived by permit, and
letittly rwade in Vie district of Strabane, in

17,946
• 111,671

the first pet kid -
In the second period
Total gallons of spirits received by permit, and
legally made in the iliatrict of Sligo, in ate
fund period . 147,504
to the second period - 290,047
Total gallium of spirits legally made and charged
with fluty its the several districts in the pro-
vince of Ulster, in the first period - . 598,439
In the mond period - 3,540,469
. -
Total gallons of spirits legally permitted into
the barony of Ennishowen, from the 5111 J-
anuary, 1817, to the 24th March, 1810 - 20,577
Total number of fines imposed un parishes and
towalands its Ireland, fur illicit distillation,
in 1814, the first scar after the revival of the
fining system
hi the last sear

- 14.443
90,9111

3,564
120

And now, my Lords, have I not stated • suffi-
ciently strong case to thew the necessity of this
townland fining system—have I not 'hewn how
much it has contributed to the increase of the con.
s%umptiou of duty-paid spirits—how much it has
dune already towards the suppression of the private
distillery—arid that it is in a certain progressive
course entirely to effect that desirable object, so
far as illegal Call be ever entirely extir-
pated, in districts of country, as those which have
hitherto been its chief seats ?

Indeed so strongly is the case made out, accord-
ing to my conception, in favour of the continuance
of the old system, which the Bill now under your
Lordships' consideration is intended to destroy,
that I should find some difficulty in suggesting t
myself on what possible grounds 11:e 'anent men•
sure could lie defended by the Noble Earl, if I was
not aware of what had been recently passing upon
the subject in Parliament and elsewhere.
%%then a great tract of country had been so long
in the habitual practice of distilling spirits without
the payment of any duty—when these practices had
furnished to the peasant his chief occupation and
principal support, and to the landlord and the par-
son the great fund from which they derived the
payment of heavy rents and tithes, your Lordships
will readily conceive with what a general principle
of di►satisfaction and resistance amongst those of
all ranks and degrees, in the districts to which I
have alluded, any attempt must have been received
which ventured to aim at the extinguishment of that
system, by which so many appeared to be gainers,
and by which the only losers were the honest dis-
tiller, who bud embarked a great capital in a fair
trade, the public revenue, and the morals of the
people.
In the prosecution of this principle every possi-
ble attempts were made to prevent the levying of
these fines—every embarrassment and obstruction
thrown in the way of the officers of the Excise, and
the person appointed for their collection—and com-
plaints were preferred to the Cointstissioners of the.
Excise Board of the greatest oppression, and printed
appeals. of more than ordinary violence. made to
the public.
Hut what has been the consequence and result of
these appeals to the Board of Excise? A solemn in-
uiry owns the spot, for the purpose of which the
rd had deputed one of its own members, who
had entered into the most minute investigation upon
oath, had dismissed the collector of still fines, who
had iwen complained against, and the result of
whose examiuusimis seemed to have given perfect
satisliirtion. This inquily took place in 1816,
and since that period, I know of no complaints
made of any unju‘istiable severity is§ the levying of
these fines; annul there has b►en, as 1 believe, hat
one mottle memorial presented upon the subject
since. fur the discontinuance of the townland fining
sy st e an.
In the absence then of any of ttaase facts or argu-
ments which one would expect the Ministers to

continuance of this finis,g 44tens, hail had precisely
the same effect upon the minds of Prince
Regent', Ministers as swots my omits
Bur 'here i• another thing w the printed pro-
reednigs of this meeting to which I must cell your
Lordships' attention, before I conclude the conside-
ration of this part of the subject—and it is :hat
part of the speech of a Noble Friend of mine Oise
Earl of Limerick), in which my Noble friend is
made to say, " that he trusted that on this occlusion
the Ministers would be guided by the incipient of
those who ought to guide them on snhjects of Ideal
0000 ."
In this sentiment I must decidedly differ with my
Noble Friend. Though no mass can assent more
completely than I Rill prepared to do, to the great
respectability of the maternal, of wl►ich that meet-
ing war composed, I cannot subscribe to the pro.
position, which would go to affirm, that those who
may happen to have private interests of their own,
distinct frasn, and at variance with, those of the
public, in the continuance of certain practices de-
structive of the King's revenue, can or ought to be
considered us the proper tribunal, to whose decision
it ought to he left, whether their own individual
interests, or those of the public, should hate the
preference—in continuing or in abolishing the parti-
cular system in question...
But, lily Lords, whatever little weight I may
have attributed to this argument, it seedts to have
worked a miracle in the conversion of Ministers ;
for they appear to have at once retraced their steps,
as if some new revelation had been upeeretl to them,
and the Government now sees just cause to relin-
quish that system of law which has stood its ground,
though assailed again mad again for the last thirty-
six years, with the interval of one suspension of
three years only during the whole of that period 0r
time.

The Noble Earl in the blue ►ibband will ittform
the House whit lies worked this miraculous change
or pentiments in so short a time.

Public fame, which is ton often a public liar,
has talked of some embarrassing psrliamentary
questions in the intermediate time—that the Minis-
terial forces had not been steady—and that some of
the troops had even gone to the length of absenting
themselves from muster upon an important occa-
sion. I state these rumours, not because it is pos.
foible that I can have given credit to them, but
in order to enable the Noble Earl to discredit them
in the most effectual manner, by stating to the
House the real grounds of the conversion of the
Members.

A great deal has been said about the severity of
the system which this Bill goes to repeal. That it
is unconstitutional in its principle—would not be
borne in this coantry—and goes to punish theinno-
cent for the sins of the guilty. In answer to all
these fine topics for declamation, I must candidly
say, that I can discover nothing unconstitutional in
the principle of these laws, till I can cease to look
with respect and veneration at the insiitutions of
Alfred himself, which make every individual of the
tithing or hundred responsible fur the preservation
of the peace therein—and if this should be too old
a precedent for the taste of the present day, I can
help them to one which took place no later than
yesterday, in the Court of King's Bench, in
which, under the statute of the 57th of the King,
damages were recovered against the unotlending
inhabitants of the hundred of Ossulston, for the
destruction of property at the riots during the
election for %Vestmiuster.

And with respect to the severity of the process, I
will not deny that it is severe and summary.. But is
it not by the same summary process that the land-
lord recovers his rents—the clergy their tithes—the
officers of the revenue the public taxes in many
instances—and the high constable the grand jury
cess ? and which of these remedies are those en-
lightened advocates for public abuses willing to
give up ?
To the remaining argument, that it is unjust to
punish the innocent for the guilty, I must answer
with candour, but without any intention of giving
offence, from which I should wish most cautiously
to abstain, that so far as relates to those districts in
which the illicit distillery has so generally prevail-
ed, I do not know the individual who ought to be
considered as innocent in the eye of the law. Will
any man affect to say, or to believe, that if all the
landlords in those districts in which the private dis-
tillery prevails, were to set their faces against its
continuance, that there would not be •t once nn
end to this great disgrace to the police of any well-
regulated community I Inasmuch, however, as half
the expense only of the proposed establishment for
the prevention of illicit distillery is to fall upon the
guilty district, the other half becoming a charge
upon the consolidated fund, to which the whole of
the United Kingdom contributes alike—does not
this altered system carry still further the principle
of punishing the innocent for the guilty, by making
the must distant parts of the United Kingdom con-
tribute alike forthe suppressionlof the illicit distiller
in Ireland ?

But if the penalties of the law are severe and
they - properly directed_ agair

sell jrp'slifiril in endenvouriont to lacer'
pending discussion iii Parliament, wine
a great diversity of opinion, and on whi
here have of lisle taken a strong part 1 h
Earl should br enabled to slate that ____
sentiment% to he in layout of the repeal of the old
sr-teal. I shall certainly bow with joist respect to the
opinion of a snarl, than whom the public has not a
servant more aide or Mare deservinga its moll-
deuce, in a very rei.poirolile mid arduous situation.
But tefore I canlil aettnieser iii such an nj ____ i o Hi,
mud first endeavour to divest my mind of ail that I
have peer learned during the r.iserse of not a short
experience in the Pallier part or 'sly life, its the col-
lector's:m..l inasingesnent of the Irish revenue.
It is impossible for site to enticiside, without tak-
ing some notice of Mr. Chichester, and of his ex-
traiirdiiisry publication. That Gentlentan is no
doubt entitled to the greatest respect from the pro-
fession to which hr belong., and the family of
which he is is member—but in so doing, I feel it
only necessary for file to express a hope, that it is
not under the sole and single authority pf the
rev. Gentleman's book, that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer has consented to abandon that principle
which has been so long acted upon for the 'preven-
tion and .:! tof illicit distillation. The
charges which he brings have been investigtsted
before the proper tesliniial, and they are all now of
nearly three
,years standing, without any thing re-
cent, mid but one memorial. In the shape of oh.
servation or reisly, I shall refrain from saYilig a sin-
gin word, satisfied as I am that time violence of the
performance itself, and the 'spirit of indiscriminate
invective in which the writer has Indulged, ought at
least to have sufficiently disarmed it of any sort of
effect.
But if we are to have this altered system, let us
have the whole of the measure at once, and udt a
part of it only. The system of small stills, e -
monly called the put system, was intended to have
made a part of this measure. But thus far, at
least, the Chancellor of the Exchequer appears to
have skewit sonic sort of regard to the interests of
that important body of men, the proprietors of
the great stills in Ireland, to whom the faith of
Parliament has beets so often pledged, but not
always redeemed—and accordingly the other half of
the measure is to be suffered to lie over till the
next Session.

upon •

At all events, let me then beseech your Lord.
ships not to separate from each other the two parts
of the same mai:sure. Let them both wait alike fur
discussioe till the next Session, ■nd whilst the
Small Still Bill is slumbering in the other House,
I trust that you will permit its companion to repose
in your Lordships' House in like manner—in just
consideration to the interests of the great distillers,
and those of the revenue at the same time.

Let sue once more remind your Lordships of the
question with which you ere about to deal. In 1779,
the amount of the produce of the distillery was
63,000/. only, payable by 1,152 individual., spread
over the whole face of the kingdom. You have
now a revenue of 1,175,0001., of which there are
but thirty-six paymasters, and of these tweedy-four,
or thereabouts, great capitalists, and in tlwir hands
the duties must be perfectly safe. Is it under such
circumstances as these that Ministers think that an
entirely altered practice is necessary or admissible ?
My motion therefore is, that this House du re-
solve itself into a Committee, to take this Bill into
consideration this day three months.
The Earl of ABERDEEN was not surprised at the
incredulity of the Noble Earl, for to incredulity
alone could he attribute the cunt' 111 l ance of such a
system as this. Though long aware of the evils of
this system, he was unaware of the extent to which
they had been carried until he had had actual op-
portunities of observing them. 'file Noble Earl
had alluded to the publication of a pamphlet (the
Rev. Mr. Chichester's) which had exposed this sys-
tem. He (the Earl of Aberdeen) had made actual
inquiries into the statements contained in that
pamphlet, and he could assure their Lordships, that
the result of those inquiries was the most incon-
trovertible proof of the truth and accuracy of the
contenttof that publication. He could, from what
lie bad ascertained himself, pledge his own veracity
to the truth of most of its ostementiv.—(llear.)—
There were other atrocities, of more recent date
than that publication, which 'hewed the character
of this law in its naked colours, and with all its
atrocity. He should only mention one or two, and
they rested on the most unequivocal authority. A
poor infirm old man was arrested in the county of
Donegal, whether guilty or innocent he could not
sac, aunt probably inuocent, for the guilty gene-
rally escaped.—(Hear.)—This pour old mats was
told lie must be removed to Lifforil gaol. He
pleaded his feebleness, his age, his incapacity to
move to such a distance, hut he pleaded in vain,
for lie was mercilessly dragged to Latina!, where in
a few minutes after his arriial he actually expired
almost in sight of the barbarous wretches who hail
removed him !—( Hear.)--The other case to which
he would allude was that of the arrival of some reve-
nue officers on the books of a lake, which they wished
They hailed boat which -- • the

but they furbished no precedent at all for this
By those laws it was certainly made a mat.
ter of general interest. to punish flagrant and d
Mg outrages. and bold the township its o. y hip
fur them. But these offences were of II dliferri,t
kiwi, for they consisted of act* tint of nototii.ll4
moral culpability in the eyes of the corn 1111 l
but acts rendered penal by statute, and committed
hy stealth and in pritacy. —I Neter. hew../—As In
the residents in those places being cogniist.t or
finch ocrittrences► he really stoude,fed loot 6,
Noble Earl Could "Nam, rivi a Nicosia the 14.1 ,

mr;
los Mouittaiuons districts (where those act
chiefly committed) it was utterly impossibh: rt.,.
dents could be cognizant of such proceeiliii.4., „
—(Hear, bear.]—allut who were to he flit.
former. ? He thought the Noble garl know
character of hit countrymen better tiatis to suppooe
that they would become infoorivers twofer each 4
system as this, when the detection of the offenee
exposed the individusl to a loss of every tlinig
possessed, of even the rags that coirreol h.
wretchedness, and to ass exposure In starvation ut
ell it. horror.. How an informer could lie expected
ender such an Act any where, but leist of all
in Ireland, was to him surprising. la that coon-
trl no such person could be fottool for %awl' a toot..
pose. " Cull the reason," said the Sol& Earl, .4 ho.
colorable if you please, upon a false principle, loot
it w 4, honourable to the cause of liiimassity." Tio •
attempt would be hopeless if cirri it weir ja,t.--
(11ear.1—Ile never could losing his moot 1,1 toht•
rate the atrocious principle of this law, which RAS
US uujstsniiisble al it was inopret•eiletotrot, gla
to be abolished iltritruie
objected to the Bill being suffered to stand firer,
though he concurred with the Noble Earl in think-
iogo that it would have been much baler it it were
accompanied by the other Hill arlouittiug•onall
As to the meeting at the Thatched-I 'e TaVerll,
he really did not know to what the Errl
bided. %Vas there any thing so extrisortiinaly iu n
public meeting being convened fur a purpoooe or the,
kind If the grievance west universol and trooler-
able, be knew no more likely way of expressing the
universal concurrence upon it, than by a public

meeting, called as that was.—(Hear.)—Such,
fact, was the uniform course pursued on %mill.
occasions. It was always lais opinion that the mw
mint this atrocious system was exposed to Corer. •
meld in its true colours, it must instantly :pf
abandoned. With respect to what Government
done, he certainly expreastil his thanks fur
benefit this repeal was calculated to confer. lie
would not withhold his thanks, though they wile
tendered for au act of tardy justice.
The Earl of Liu ERICK felt I 1111 l self so personalii
alluded to by Isis Noble Friend (the Eat( of
Dotionghmore), that he could not reliant from ad-
dressing their Lordships. He differed in rainy setn
tense which had been uttered by his Noble Frievo.
He had set out with swine, that this was a dry sill,-
ject—how could his Noble Friend ap:dy such is
description to that distinguished liquor, whi.key„
PO famed for its mobtettingqualitier ? .4 tome:4—
ff the Noble Lord had listened from the engine
benches around hint, that the subject was
dry to their Lordships, then indeed he might
concur in his application of the term. How-
ever vain he (the Earl of Limerick) was, he
never thought himself of much distioguished im-
portance as his Noble Friend's attention had made
hint this evening. With reference to Ins speech at
the meeting, which had been so often alluded In,
he really did tint know to what document Ms Noble
Friend referred; hr did not know whether he was
quoting from words which might have been put into
his (the Earl of Liinerick's) mouth, or from any
other source. He was never in the habit of preparing
what he meant to say on such occasions, or troubling
himself about them afterwards. At that queen',
lie had certainly avowed his sentiments, and hod de-
clared that Eugland would not endure a measure
like this, a measure which was attempted, but suc-
cessfully resisted in Scotland; why then was Ire-
land to endure it ? He had stated this at the row-
ing to which his Noble Friend alluded.—[Au ac-
curate report of the proceedings of this meeting
was given exclusively in this Paper.]—Would it
be gravely argued that this crime, mule by statute,
ought to be continued, because it affected the whole
district, because it visited with penalties the absent,
and those who could by no possibility be con-
cerned in the commission of the offence ?—(Hear./
How his Noble Friend, who was the champion of
civil anti religious liberty, could maintain such a
principle, was to him mutt surprising. How he
could become the advocate of a system for his own
countrymen. which, as was well said, had no in-
rallel in the East, its Turkey, or in Russia, in
those countries most generally represented as living.
under asbittary Governments, was to him nin.t
surprising. His Noble Faieuil had Paid this this
Hill was about to pass, in the absence of all evi-
dence and authority its support of it. He had In-
deed denied the authority of a Rev. Geetlemoi*.
book ; with that Rev. Gentleman, he (the Earl .4
Limerick) had not the honour of being per.ou die
acquainted ; that book detailed of the -

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ii 100) d inel Watt ioii was iiidilifreird by the laud'summary, are they not properly directed against to Moss. They lidded a boat which was on the iscquainted ; that book detailed many of the einem.
have to produce, in justification of so precipitate
holders of the illicit districts, who found that they
a departure from a system so often brought under such a tract of country a. the barony of E •s- lake ; the boatmen refused to quit their business ties committed under this Act. Was there min evt- 1
could ten recape the fines, and that then fore they
consideration, and which had so repeatedly met howen, in the county of Donegal (so instance this for them—and whet did the revenue officers do ? dence there (evidence totally uoconfaceted with putt. 1,
could not aflaril to distil, without the 'napoleon a
their approbation and that of Parliament. lam as the great seat and head-quarters of private die- They called for military aid, and ordered the sot- tier), not on mere werection, but supported by the
t out
itt: u,t,ju.•
mUastittelerbtybetsteoecirculaniturittateuicatz,..a twerinnimebi7er..l
cleedu:ectottitlrtiew.utscies_Lmitya,..coufmsusigagnestingastommayyseplosif, and
by tillery), when it appears upon record, in the Re- diets to fire on the boot. The soldiers, by this most incontroverted and incontrovertible ail girt,'`
i port of the Commissioners of Inquiry, that it con- low, were bonsai to obey them ; they accordingly and facts ?He had still better evidence to strew the
Oltilitry had !fainted moot under the inflietion of him.'
contributed
• to such an effect. tamed, before the operation of the fi • g system, did so, owl one of the boatmen was wounded....- authority of Mr. Chichester's book, for his oast
these fiera. They made their appeal to Podia- .e. .
A The first document to which I shall advert, is on less a number than 800 private distilleries, mud (//ear, hear.)--in no other country in Europe esteemed and personal friend, the flishomf Detrt.,
wieht to 'Bl6. The complaints were referred moon the report of a Invents., which is stated to leave of which 101 have been detected within the space could such atrocities be suffered to coiniuue. He than whom there did not live a more hotiouraill, t
to a "'mu'" of the other Houle' as in 1813 ; taken place an the 26th of April lea, at the of 36 hours ? hail seen most of the countries of the Emt—most man, or a man of purer principles and more est mei-
nod 'awe it patient awl diligent isuluisy. Iprim- t-Ie Thinclwd-liottse Tavern, of Noblemen and Gen- %Vied are then the arguments which the Noble of those countries usually called arbitrary—hut in ble quainter, had often metitioned this hook tolls is •
ciple ..f this fisting latent was a second time deft. • tkinen knedhohiers .11
i Ireland—a meeting most Earl hae to advance in favour of this so suddenly noise, not even that of die Terk himself, dill lie as cootie "" i"" g Many facts that occurred wo!‘e•
• ~ • - stititely recogoseed by the following Itesoluti3O. :--.
respectably composed, and at which, amongst altered.systent, on the part of his Majesty's Mt- believe such a law, ra.rying ;Viet, it melt nautoss his the Bishop's) personal knowledge, and lie i -
th the Committee appointed in Julie. 1816. to
others, it ro happened, that there were fourteen mote" r atrocities, would for iiii instant be beret. It Wa. said variably spoke of the reverend writer us ass es."
. • inquire iota this causes amid extent of illicit distil. •
s •,,• Member* of this House, and 32 of the oilier All the great Public Bodies of the province of that this was a great change in the eixisfing law. He lent man and a good dergyinne—(Hear, hear./
tt of spirits in Irtland..:4l,d into the hum menus
r,.. tttHouse of Parliament, at least the names of so Ulster. who have taken any part upon the subject, admitted it was, and apprehended it was high time His Noble Friend hail stated, that this Act took o•
tar file orfreeiniuti thereof—and info the operation in .
any eve signed to the resolutions, by which they have declared fur the continuative of the lilting that such a change elmuld take place, when the Ilse iii 1783. %Vas that a mama' why it should Ise 4-
'unit effects of the preseist laws for that purpose.
Itesuhre,l—" That it is .the opinion of this committer, lilopeur to have pledged themselves against the coo. 'einem—two Committees of the other House have measure was Nand at last actually intolerable in its cont.' tttt etl, if in its operation it was found cruel awl
unueece of the towtslan
that itis nexpreieut lit Make su, slte•tts6u in the principle d tinisigsyetent. done the same, Arran interval of three years, rod I operation.—(Hear.)—lt was fee the wain of mums- unjust. —(flear. hear.)—Ha admitted that tiw ~
of the Isis, now in force iss Ireland, imilbsitte fiats fur (limo the subject of this meeting, the first oh- after the most deliberate inquiry. The system has rialsand reeresentationsof the most mimed kind,the i Act had Mr. Bereslard's authority. Mr. R. em'
Olsen distillation su dm vicinage where time (atter is Com- @volition which I shall make is this, that the de- been effectual, so far as it has been steadily pursued I law had bees& au/feted to subsist so long, there had an excellent advocate for revenue, and it was ne• •
susetrie- that wish a vie* uf preersoisse, its Far as Pussibiet I claration of the chairman furnishes authentic evi- with firtnimes and perreverance. been tendered in shundsece, bet the opinion of the total also that his Noble Friend should coottlite
silty bierilsbir foliose un unlit Moats. such as may have striven i dowel, that
the Ministers had. till that time at Every person who has ever tilled any reepectable Chancellor oldie Exchequer was, that the repast in its state of maturity his superintending cave over
under the preen' opristaou of ells laws, dal it is desirable
least, held • hard fur the continuance of the fill'i•ug situation in the administration of the Irish finance. might injure the revenue. He (the Eltl of A hersieet,i the child winch lie had so early watched. Let the f
Tr melt retrasie snoililirmiunts, to obviate those difficulties
is Mr tondo .at rstr)ism the principle of the laws above Cybkiii, err (heir answers had uniformly been. "• that with one only exception, has declared strongly thought quite the contrary, and was satisfied that Lorthlaps look at what occurred in Ireland shoo!,
misdated Wu slices; amid eens•rally to afford relief in I Government saw no arson to alter the law ii, it against the proposed ahem( —and the Members the revenue would improve under a new system. I atter the iistroduction of this law; look at the oui-
resew white site vicivage manifests a disposition to ',uproot then „1„„,l." themselves apPeared 11l have hero equally disinclin- But whether it did improve or did not. this would rages and endefice which chsracterord his unforto-
those laws."
Here Oleo ice fume evidence presented by the ad. el to any change of the system so lately as oil the be on argument for the continuance. of such a note country. Thesecruelfies. he higtino doubt. wert.
dime es, Hr.:Anal it is the opiiiitot tit Ilse, Commit.
tut., iIIZIi 1•101111. huthei recourses nom should be loran sh elicates ter this repeal themselves, that an late ali 26th of April last. scourge upon the country. No revenue would jut+ in nu inconsiderable degree us-cashew-4 by the let•''
sniall.uills in the .li.irtito sub. re illicit distittalime 'revolt., tier 16th or April lust, the arguments which I have %nit the sentiments are of the Gentlemen now Itify the infliction of such an enactment.—(//eue.) principle which this law sanctioinel.— ( 1 ker.) —lf
pito Oar', in the wattiwatiog uf spirits inausifattuitd by Marti to your Lordeltipe tar the 'temerity of mile at the heed of the Irish Excite, I have not felt mes. —The Noble 1i..111 had quoted the laws of Alfred, he could concur in any thins that had filleu from
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