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causes of Ilse gee Om --titei iieilir Mew iiiem A Or
quietieg !relied. Wet:Coffer so opposition to the pre-
feet sesames, being iolleesiced so to tat from the aecesaity
which he felt foe putties down the present disterbeeres. H.
hoped that the Bourse of a few weeks ',mad give an oppor-
tunity fur going fully Into the question of the slate of Ireland;
"meanwhile, If other measures were necessary to quell the
existing evils, he would willingly concede the powers ewes-
sary for applying them. But he implored the Hume not to
pet off soy Imager se efficieut inquiry into the causes which
eit inevitably prolonged those evils. He felt that he should
sot have done his duty if be had said less on the subject.
Marquis CAMDEN was not aware till rectally that
Guvereaseat iutended to pass these Bills in the course of the
wet k. He did not complain of this want of Information on
his own part. He was ode of thine who emeidered that the
111,11•101•11 were nut too 1110011 brought forward. If Parlia-
meta had met souser, and these seemeres had bees brought '
forward, Parliament would not have refused the powers
sow asked. However, as they were brought forward, he
took Misleads, oppuftweity of declaring his readiness to give
them his entire sopped. Ile was quite sure, however un-
satisfactory is principle, ilim these measures must pass in
order to pet dews the prevailiug disorders in Ire laud. He
thought the description given of the Bills by the Noble Lord
opposite meta*. The Magistrates could nut exercise the
powers given She, without Ike concurrence of * ILiogb
datimels or Sericite', or an Assistant Barrister, who wan to
isejeleed it the &anions with them. It was dangerous to
grant noel powers—he admitted it; hut the rircernasamew
domeeded it. M es of cunciliatium might be proper,
1 Nal almaald nail be mixed up with these. Such was his coma-
' Asiee le the Noble Marquis at the bead of the Irish Govern-
itilet, that he would valiantly give barn say powers he
might deem necessary to put dime the disorders raging
Owe. He was very willing that the slate of belied should
rhisameheieriontiently considered. He hoped that some calm sod
ate person would soup brio' oe the question, and
Mire thews an opportunity fur discussiug it at length, that
(hay might rightly understood She causes of the distresses
etemplaineel of, and apply the proper remedies.
Lard ELLENBOROUGH readily comereed with the
MAW Earl opposite, that when the House was on fire the
only coesideratims might to be bow to pet wit the flame;
but the lemma the flame was extinguished they ought to
look into whet bad caused it, and take care to secure •
proper remedy. He had urger addressed the House epos
any former occasion, nor hail lie ever before given • vole
with so much pale. He hut read the papers en the table
with astonishment and grief. He could not have supposed
It possible for the Marquis Wellesley to have sent home
18 pages of dispatches, reciting the verities outrages which
had takes- piece in Ireland, without oue allusion to the
causes •Itich had originated those excretes. He had hogell
that from the Noble Earl at the bead of the Treasury dot
would have heard something of • statesman-like exposidae
of the *Were and causes of the evil complained of. He
W mot express the astonishment sad mortiAmition he
at the entire want of all elucidation both is the dim
g-s
lilies of the Noble Marquis and the speech of the Noble
. With grief sad reluctance be felt compelled to gore
mite for the Bills. He knew that rebellion was sot to he
Willed with, and that lawless teasel( must be repelled by
lawful violence; but here be felt himself at • loss lee W.
ilirmatioa. He found by the dispatches that outrages 1818
WM emetelfted in mum parts, because, as it was ableal
111::wee aell neatiset military force—us others,
sifitury foam was withdrawn. What had Government
'done with the forces, when, as it muieared from the papers,
there was oar disturbed district of more then forty mike
Is which there were nut present as many a• forty soldiers? To
what parrot were laws to be passed witless Ministers would
use foreatemegh to put them iu full tioa if necessary ?
it was not mooch to seed • few troops into • disturbed pro-
Were to remain a few days or weeks. They must quarter them
roil:soothe, perhaps (or a year ur two together, to do atm
meet good. There was an elasticity its the spieled'
rebellion there whirls would "pang up as room as they with.
dire the compressive force, velem WWII down by contimi- l'
ewe. Bet sante he admitted the general necessity of pass.
lag these measures to settle present disturbances, he trusted
litme monsetbiag else world speedily be dom. Mach pea*,
primps deservedly, had bees given to the Marmite 1
; but be meat say that the demand for the Habits •
.Lt pas Suspension and lestirrectioo Acts savoured of the
..k,
lice. of very COMM.. statesmen. If the Noble Marquis
sped
sheet with time 'sesames, and did not as absolutely
mod as investigation hats the causes of Ma disorders,
be (Lord Ellenbueough), however reluctantly, most retie-
tthe opinion of the latest' mad energy of the Noble
iemela, which at present he was so glad to hold. He
iatiosai among the preatineet measures of necessary
dmicilialios, the passing of a Bill similar to oats which
had been in discussion in the late Sessitia.—(Probably
•OS Catholic Emancipation Bill.]--He had never coast.
Sited that Bill as a sovereign remedy fur all the evils
Mader which Ireland laboured ; but it seemed to him
le he the hest fumedstioe fir a new system, which, es
it geohi be more jest, would secure more waling obedience
S. **lawn. With this view be had always supported it, and
always would du so. Them were other topics connected
with Irish grievances, which he trusted there would be am-
ple opportunity to disco's. He could not close his remarks
without adverting, in a word or two, to the tithe system.
He knew the difficulty of dealing with It; he hems bow bard
it wee to make those most interested feel the difference be-
tween whet was absolutely necessary sod what was highly
desirable. The commutation of Irish tithes was a matter of
great ditlikehy ; but it was absolutely necessary, and it was
mot impossible to effect. He called on Ministers to take
the subject into their consideration. He was induced to do
es from all that he had Weed, or read, or thought ea the
*object, sod from that he was convinced that it was areas-
wary far the lasting poste of Ireland. He again repeated
that be bad never given a vote with more pais; and that be
was drivers to it from the necessity of immediately putting
doom :shelties; at the save time he pressed it ou Minis-
tate to consider the real slate of Ireland—to press the sub-
ject". the immediate smote°. of Parltamtut, and institute
allillerei of elfeeteal redress.

Lord RISDIVIDA LE observed, that mooch had ion said
i* disparagement of the genial character of t►e Irish ma-
glairsey. llhollered ►is own testimony from abeenstiese he
had made when bolding an Irish ogler, t►at the Oovernaieut
there ►ad freirecully esideasoured to get the nine respecta-
ble people to undertake the magisteriel once% ►ut is van.
The reason cosemnly given was, that the gnat people in she
osightemschood would mut daily support them la the attic' dia.
charge of thine duties. (leder all t►e circumstances, the
Magistracy wen chases then as well as it was passible for
Goveremeat to choose then The main mintief then was a
spirit of laeorrectios against she execution of the laws. In-
ked anew hod rendered due obedient, to the laws. It was
the complain of Sir Joho Davis, in Hieing* asthma I. and
U nussimed lanais hour. Who was is fault; 1111,every body
—rich amd poor, high and low the evil was general. There
was or renter kable teedney in the lower Irish to disobedient ;
but there was a dispiriting in some classes to excite what-
ever laeliaatisa they had that way. Perkasie's* asset coo-
tone some mietworee for restraisieg the upper classes within
deo bona& of law, and by that use... teeth the poor ha look
up
for protection to the law. He had land the Irish
people most erosible of lindens mad fair Oceanian. Act
justly by them they would act justly is return. Owe subject
mefonosately divided them. How that subject, which he
would set more paslicula►ly same, ought to be disposed of,
he !new met. It was difficult to change the msnaleoty of
enee's minds es that particular sobjeet ; but If they could
scene gamest obedieuce to the laws, the spirit of insubordi-
motion most natio Many none ►ad contributed to pro-
duct the missies disorders. The first mitlemerte of the Kay-
la* then were not auspicious so trasqnsliity. They had
hew followe♦*y men of policy which bad mot improved the
friendly lesSege of the poetise. Tho evil woo eel die malt
of sot ottomoi, bet of all Mei Well dose sod bad lien dome by

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us '4O wo ' he etas
ire, one of the 'alive/tied expeessoa hie high adml-
the contusiesioe contaitied upwards of lieu of the
icy of the country. Let their 110611110tniagine
he the effect of such a magietraey le swayiug the
the people to obedience to the laws. The Irish
void do the seine. jet them convince the poor
filet their grievances shoold mileessed.4.lef.them begie,
or show a disposition to begin to email the tempera time
Irritated people, sad it would do moth. There was an un-
fortunate habit which prevailed is Ireland—high and low—
among all classes, of considering their offspring under a err.
!aim age as unfit objects of coercion. The first thing dose
by • peasant after the child was thought at to bear chastise-
ment, was to knock down the child perhaps a dui times
going. From these mistaken feelings the children went
without due iestraiist, in the first instance; in the second,
they received it in a manner which went is awakes reseal-
meet rather then induce submission; and from this was
very naturally derived, in the subsequent stages of their
lives, • general disregard to, or disobedience of the laws;
sod the source of the disorders was lobe found in the oppres-
sion which rose out of the multiplied letting of lands. He
had persuaded • friend of his, while is lielasd, to get rid of
the ioterneediate tenures of kis estate, so less than five in
slumber, and let the fetus to them:copier as chief lessee. He
thought some measure might be adopted by Parliament for
duieg away the abuses of onder.leiting as they related in Ire.
land, and to relieve the occupier from the oppressive dis-
tresses to which he was subjected in the recovery by the
owner of the rents. He thought it might be advisable to
assimilate the law and role or tenures in Ireland to those of
England. He &fended the premed Lord Lieutenant from
the insinoatios offered sgaiese)remi Had that Nottle Mar.
"sleet once proposed any measoirem especific and certain re-
medy fur the disturbances which mom hem distant and cont-
panted comers, he would have proved himself unworthy to
be trusted with those additional powers which it was the
Ifilootion of Parliament to giant, and altogether unfit to ad-
Moister the affairs of that country. He had thews his roma-
eMy sod the judicious vigbor of his misd in first seeking the
imens of putting an end to the disorder", and reserving other
measure till the completion of that object world allow time
for deliberation.

Lord HOLLAND felt that some apology was due from
him for detaining the House, as he very cordially .`reed
with much of what had (outgo from the Noble and Learned
Lord, and almost all that had fallen from his Noble Friend
near hies (Lord Elleaborough). He would nut have tuna
tared on the I.:revalue of those sentiments which he so
fully felt, be would not have visited the placing the ergo.
meats of the eloquent speech of his, Noble Friend in worse
language before the House, had it not beep for Ile misfor-
tune of • little differentia which reweesned'himself
and his Noble Friend, together with the Noble and Learned
Lori—namely, in the vole which be was abciet to gl•e. One
Noble Lord bad begun with stating, that he felt the moral
constitutional jealousy of Government as to conceding Bills
of thitt kind. $0 far all wee well. He had heard him with
*series declare in the west semester, that Ilisdattra
should have his wire support. With much more appear-
save of humanity, and with feelings which did hire great Ito-
sour, did the Noble Lord who followed declare, that be was
compelled to vote foe the Bills from the oveeseity of the
ease, though be did it with grief and mortilleation. He
honoured the motives of his Noble Friend. Could lie have
felt soy such motives he would have takes the same course;
mold be have persuaded himself that these Bills would re-
medy Iheevils complained uf, he would vote fur them, and do
that for once, which, as an Englishman valuing the liberties
purchased for him by his forefathers, he would be most
reluctant to do. He also had a constitutional jealousy
of the Bills, which would compel him to vote against
them; sod yet, though his vote would correspond
with the tenor of his whole political life, be had rot ea
solved on it without hesitation, and he would have to give
It with grief and pain. It was impossible to deny, after all
the testimony adduced, there did exist a spirit of inserree-
, lion and lawless outrage, which must he aupp.essed by force.
He was not only ready to admit the evil and the necessity
of remedying it by force, but he might even admit that od-
dities.' laws were required to complete that object. He
could concede as large powers le the Marquis Wellesley LI
he would be willing to trust to the heads of any Governor.
He was ready to acknowledge, without haven ever had any
political connexion with the Noble Marquis, sad having
never enjoyed any personal intimacy with him, that there
wee so one to whom he would more willingly treat the re-
qeisite authority and powers fur en ppressing the insurrection.
He had disagreed with the Noble Marquis on public •ffitirs
occasionally ; but of the vigour and talents of that Noble.
man he had always hitherto preserved one opinion. He
hoped that he should still hold it—he hoped that further cu.
mtutsiances would not compel hies to abroidost it. Bet,
leek's( as the measures now called for, together with the
papers on the table, and the speech of the Noble Earl op.
posit?, he felt uurertsiu as to what might happen. Had the
Noble Earl come does with • single sentence directly from
the Noble Marquis, to satisfy the House that the Marquis
thought them accessary, and that they were likely to be ef-
fective in quelling the tumults, be was not sure that be
would net have voted them. But ne such statement had
been proffered as coining directly from the Noble Marquis.
The Noble Earl contented himself brining down the
mere asseative of the °straw% as remitted by the Marquis,
from which ea indtrect inference was framed by the Noble
Earl that the Lord Lieutenstst parttculnrly required these
measures. As It was, the House was left to exercise its
judgment on the case as it lay before them. Its so
deleg, and preserving dee deference lo the opioiun
of the Noble Lord, it did nut seem to hint that
there was any thing to satisfy the House in pass.
big these measures. The Noble Earl hid eudeavoured
to convince theme, by *very sew species of metaphor,
that when the house was on fire, they must only consider
how best to put out the flames. New then, to follow up this
Sayre with arguments of their own (the al inisters)used upon
this very subject—if a man were to come anti tell him his
house was on Are, and then propose to put it out "by kick.
lag about the brands," it would seem a strange sort of re-
medy. He would be ready to say to hiss, " I du not rightly,
comprehend your plan—though as • Ire man, or an architect,
must obey your judgment, sad take the steps you propose.
It seems to me that a ready supply of water would do more
to estiuguish the t il, of which there seems tube a great
dearth." So, looking at the papers on the table, the want
seemed to be that of military foree—of physical strength...
sad not of laws to oesseliaollio application of it. He
would call the attesties of the House to a few particu.
lark to *hew the correctness of what be had said. If
it could be shows that its those pails of the coon.
try where there was enough of military fume, of phy-
sical street/Ih, that violence bad been suppressed, that
torbulenee had been kept down, that would shew at once the
means must proper to be adopted to put tout the flames.
Their Lordships would God that in the province of Leineter,
the breaking forth of the outrages nee in one place Pre-
vented by the police beilut in sufficient force and activity,
and in the country west of Limerick, the peace was said to
base been preserved because there was euongb of military
force to awe the insurgents. Now for the converse. In the
county of Tipperary, is owe plate violence was said to have
broken out because the military there was withdrawn toe
speedily, sod the district left open to the resurgent*. (Hie
Lordship) specified • few other Wetmore*, which went to esta-
blish his aigument.] in nu rase could be find any complaint
of the want of the powers of the Insurrection Aet. In Mr.
Wilson's letter from there was • word on the sub-
ject, and a wish fur the Insurrection Act was expressed. In
all the others the burden of the song was " troops"—
, " force." be well.dispoaed population must be as anxious
as soy pertains fur the removal of the evil, bat none of them •
appeared to have asked for the Insurrection Act for that pur-
pose. The words used in one part were, " unless some strong
measures were adopted, and the police augmented, sod the
old military statioss again occupied, it will be in vain to I oek
for tranquillity to be restored." This nattsrprove an inade-
quate remedy. It was is vain to invert persons with the powers
to be granted by the Bills in districts where the complaint
was the west of adequate force. How wets the rebellions
to be restrained by the power to be gives to the Magistrates .
to transport them at pl foe seven yeses, whets there

sad keep Aeon sli iligesok'N alsiost it by *lwo shot Am Is au
i With weep ealltioes of popistaltoo II Itooscoelpilso Wpm- It it were psi
sible. They most begis with orsowder sod bubblier ma. 'ion of the ip
soree‘they loom res .q the preseol despoditar Old 1111.011111 to pay doe ill
swells of seeming Ireland, esd resort to *of holtlee slues, she mak
fled with prieeiples of boosaity sad woad policy. pa. is Yorkshire,
tars to the.sobjees, be tarsi admit that objectionable the ratios that tb
seessem proposed are, they were the left( which coon 100 richest Miry
adopted soder the eireenstssees; bat though 1` the Hesse shy mom be
was on lee sod they were bound as the lest duty to pullout mistle of the