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111111; drat OM not in his pn.vei; it sea; to herthtir
himself that hr had so spoken. Ile had, however.
an ithee motive. fte knew better than most oth•ts.
the difficulties and dangers of the eatcrptise he un•
dertook ; and he %VAS truly sorry l e had fallen a
einim to his nob'. attempt. Another consideration
als-i pressed on his mind the hnnnnr and me it of
the Noble hlarg•iis can suffer no abatement ; bttt he
thought his hotline risigl,t. He ha.t not the fortune
of dying like Lord N.slson, in the iintnediate aftive
service of his conatty, in the hosiers of vietory, and
in the exercise of hi. profession as a military man,
wlach, in all likelihood, he might have done if lie
had lived ; tor, etc was sure. every a,4ion of die
Noble Marquis had evinced, that he was always
ready to fight, and, if necessary, to fall in the ser-
vice of his country, and in the fulfilment of his duty.
The honours requaed by the Motion were, he
thought, due to tae memory of the Noble Marquis,
and he should, therefore, give it his support.
Mr. WIND. IA said, that when he saw the
Nnb!e Lord rise to na.ke the !slotiati, he did not
know what the nature of it W. 1., for he had not
understood any thing of the kind W.IS intended to
lie hronght forward that night NVitli all his re.
I.•eft for Lord OwnwAlli.., with a pc, feet knowledge
of all his good valities, and a nth every desire to
honour, and pay respell to them, lie could not,
t.ir the same tea o us be had given the other night,
tin a similar Motion. but withhold his assent to this,
a, he had do.,e to toe other. Ily balancing matters,
as he had done, the Noble Lord took an advantage,
not fair to the living, nor respectful to the dead,
of mixing praises of himself and the late Admini-
stration in India, with those of the Noble Marquis,
in favour of wK•se set vices the Motion is made, as
he slid in the Vote of Thanks to the Officers and
Seamen, oa a former night. He shou:d, therefore,
enter his protest against that mode of compounding
dern:rits with merits, and content himself with

assigning this as his only reason for objecting to the
Motion.
Mr. WILBERFORCE. expresvei himself ex-
tresnely happy, C' many grounds, that this Motion
bad been brought froward, emit gave him an opper •
tunity of expressing the sentiments of gratitude he
felt fur the ensile-in services of the Note Marquis.
Ile hit greet: pleasure in hearing the Noble Lord,
and the Hon. Director, as well as the Hon. Member
opposite to him (Mr. Eraneis), who are all so well
acquainted with India, pay such unequivocal tributes
Of praise, 'and beat se,h ample testimony to his
Irma deserts; but he was desirous, tha: they Also,
who were not so well acquainted with It. is should
have an opportunity of expressing the I 0
and their feelings in favour of one, nil out whole
life had lseeu devoted to the service of his country.
If we looked back to the history of any country, us
ancient or modern times, what was the situation of
the Jistantcolonies they possessed? Too often we shall
find the unfortunate people groaning, and miserable
under the weight of a system of tyraiiny, oppression,
and repack), exercised without mercy, and with-
out hounds, by their governors; for the purpose, in
the fist place; of enriching themselves ; and, in the
next, of providing as much moor as would pur-
ch.ee them security from 311 iuquiry at home. flit
how very different from those, WAS the conduCt of
this great and d nii goo_ .te who had canted British
laws and reguiatins for the security of persons
property, to be transplanted into the bosom of India,
and fo.tereel and extended to its most distant parts ;
who had, while there, been the idal of miilions, and
who left it with the blessings of all who knew his
same. In Iris cieil, military.and diplomatic capacity,
be had. on every occasion, evinced the most ardent
seal and anxiety, to do service to his ccuntry ; and
in this last great aft, he had only failed, from an un-
fortunate diminution and decay of .bodily strength.
In all his former transaClions, lie hrd been crowned
with success ; and if life had been allowed him now,
he had no doubt, but his great exertions, and the
high estimation his character was sn deservedly
held its by all ra,ilre and degrees nf.eher people of
India, that he would have achieved for his coml.
try, brighter successes and more extensive adven-
t-lees, than those it hoed already to boast of. Every
ettion of the noble Marquis seemed to have been so
creme:led with thc happiness of the people, that it had
produced the happiest eire3 ; and he hoped we may,
through his example, convince the millions there,
who are subjeet% t our sway. that we are able, and
willing also, to rule with justice, and to make those
see govern happy. Hr thanked the noble:
thelciore, fur having brought forward this.- Motions
which had, he said, his warmest approbation.
Mr. O'HARA said, that if the Noble Lord had
confined his motion to the condiel of the Noble
Marquis in India alone, either on his first or second
sisit, or to both, he certainly would trot have had
the smallest ohjeClion to giving his vote ter Any ho-
r. kits to his memory ; but, when he brought for-
waid other subjetts, and blended thi m together,
as he had now urine, he could not bet suppose but
he must awaken in :Om, and many more Honour.
able Members, who had the same cause to feel as he
did, the most rnehoichely and painful sensations.
The Noble Lord had all to the peace of
Amiens. For his own part, he could see no great
merit in that transaction, nor any beacit acceding
from it to the country, nor had he ever heard
ethers weak At it more favourably than as an aft of
necessity. But when he went further, and alluded to
the union of Ireland with this country, he could
by to means give a vote for funeral honours
Se the memory of a man, who had had so prin-
cipal a share in that transaetion, which he look-
ed on as mischievous and feal to the interests
of Ireland. lie felt this the more poignantly
and deeply, when he recut!; Red that the people
of that country had not long hernie obtaii ed
a Ciin.titution. which was the w:sh and mid*
of their beasts; which peranised to Ina• • :nem
a prosperous. etrtajpendent, and a happy people;
and sehkits bad, in fa& timing the short time
they had enjoyed it, done more than 'em expected.
TI ey had. since the Union, experiment a very dif-
ferent ss stern indeed; a system the very revere of
whet he had jest me.dinned, end witch must, ere
long, i‘ that disastrous measure s t,.,,,;dn0t be re-
✓insfeJ by this country. prove, from its evreme ex-
pensiveness, altogeher ruinnus to that. When he
recall .c led •iso the shameful and barefaced corrup-
tion, which was openly carried on, for the purpose
of carrying that fatal measure, and whirls reelected

the greAtctt dt.grAce nn the ju,tice of thi% country,
and eatted to ut:nd, tl.e high pm the ,m 4,1,64

Cornwallis 'filled in the scene 'of that traiinciion, he
most oppose the Motidh, anti tho'sgltt no on* cold:
fairly biome him lot elifecting tb it.
Mr. HUDI.ES i•ONFI: (another Dinging) ex.
pres.ed himself happy IV pay his tribute of prai•e
to the services of this most exttarrdinary
inestimable man. The Hon. Gentleman oppo-
site (%Ir. Francis) had ob.erved, the motion woul
be in u IiSCM %Vali elrety man's mind in the country.
FL: might have gone farther, and exteoskd it to
every mind in the wide'ise:tinsnla of Indostan. Hi
had carried to India the genuine, free principles of
an Engiishman ; he had transplatiii.d thither her in-
valliable laws, and, in the midst of the most spienditi
viaories, had evinced the most mild and benefice:a
moderation, and, inste.td of opprescion, Insil substi-
tuted justice. He c Ina red the death of the Noble
Marquis, ai one of the greatest calamities, that, a,
the pre-cut moment, could have happened. It was,
he,:.aiti, impossible for him to attempt to Jo justice,
by words, to what he felt on the occasion, but de-
clared be never gave, with greater pleasure, his as-
seat to any motion
Mr. Alderman PRINSEP said a few word: in fa-
vour of the motion.

Mr FOX said, he should vote for the motion, be-
cause he thought it necessary to express a testimony
of approbation to the general merits of Lord Corn-
wallis, and nor on one of those points which had
been mention-td. The Noble Lord had refrained
from statMg him to be an eirellent Statesman, which
might, perhaps, have caved Fprrie difference of opini-
on. As to the Union with Ireland, he could nor
but agree in what had been said by the Hon. Cent.
behin.l 11;m (Mr. O'Hara) that there were circum•
stances attending that transaction, which reflected
more disgrace on this country, than any it had ever
before experienced
The motion was then put and agreed to.
Lord Castlereagh b-ought up several additional
Papers, containing further information relative
to tie Treaties with the Powers on the Continent,
which we.e ordered to lie on the table, and to be
printed.

PAYMENT OF MR. PITT'S DEBTS.
Mr. C Oil l'sV it IGH P stated, that in the mo-
tion he had to submit to the House, lie should fol-
low the example that was led on the occasion of a
former motion, and studiously abstain from any
topic that might be likely to produce a difference
of opinion ; and to insure this the more effeCtuany,
he W.JUlti. as had been done before. adhere to the
precedent he found upon the Journals, in the in-
stance of the late Earl of Chatham. He thought,
however, that he did not swerve from his purpose,
in avowing, that he considered the death of Mr.
Pitt a great national loss ; and this opinion was cer-
tainly supported by the general sense of the people
of this kingdom. In making his motion, therefore,
he only submitted to the I louse, what he thought
a testimony of the general estimation in which that
exalted charaOer was held. lie was free to con-
fess, that if he could bring himself to think, that
'he vote he undertook to propose, would, in the
sma lest degree, detraet from the fame of that
great man, he should never have offered ii to their
consideration ; but seeing, as hr did, th.o a similar
vote did. not, by any means, diminish the charac-
ter of Lord Chatham, or that his dying in debt had,
in the least, sunk him in estimation, he did not ,
conceive, how the same circumstances could have'
a different rife& upon the memory of his son.
When the House called to mind, that, for twenty
years of Mr. Pitt's life, his attention w;'s wholly
occupied in the discharge of public duties, having
no other subsistence for the support of his station,
but the salaries of his offices ; and that, with the
exception of the Cinque Ports, be reje9ed all the
emoluments which might have ben so frequently
within his reach, they must he impressed with a
thorough conviEtion, that his poverty was the best
proof that could be given of his virtue. In the in-
vestigation of his condua, which took place in a
Committee last year, the gentlemen who composed
it, as well as the whole House of Commons, ac-
quitted hint of all blame, and acknowledged,
that he Came Irons the enquiry with unsullied hands.
This vote, he said, was not meant to operate
as a common precedent for discharging the
debts of Ministers, nor was it brought forward
for any common purpose. It was generally, if not
universally admitted, that Mr. Pitt was the main
instrument of saving the country from that anarchy
with which it was at one time threatened; that the
measures he proposed and carried into execution,
had the most beneficial ttfeCts on the finances of the
couaay ; and that, during his long administration,
whether in peace or in war, as far as our exertions
were concerned, he raised the glory of the country
to a height of unexampled splendour. After making
these tew observations, he had only to add, that,
upon the strictest investigation, Mr. Pitt's debts
amounted to the sum of 40,0001. which he con-
ceived not to be mare than what was voted for the
late Lord Chatham ; when the House came to con-
sider the length of Mr. Pitt's Administration, the
difference in the expence of living, and the increased
value of money. He then concluded with moving
for an humble Address to His Majesty, stating, that
the House, having received information that the late
Right Honourable IVilliem Pitt had, at his death,
left debts to an amount which his property was in-
sufficient to discharge, requested that His M.ijesty
would order the issue of a sum, not exceeding
4 ),0001. for that purpose, and assuring him that this
House would make good the same.
Mr. RooTLE raid, he was the more anxious
to second the motion, as it WAS probably the last
opportunity he should have in that House of paying
his sincere tribute of respect to the memory at the
Jmat skimmer in question. This vote he consi.
ered in the view of a debt due to Mr. Pitt, who, in
first coming into the station, parted with somel its
emoluments, and immediately occupied himself
on a plan for the regulation of the public expendi-
ture. It was a sincere pleasure to his friends to find,
that in die accumulation of those debts, there was not
an item to be charged to the account of ruinous
travagance, nor any single article which any man
could state to be obj::ctionahle. Ile therefore hoped.
that in the vote to be given this night, the House
would be unanimous, as,bv concurring in the motion,
no gentleman was called upon to make the least SA.
crioce of his former opinions. Sallie persons, per-
haps, niay object to this proposal, on the grownd
that the same effect might be produced by a public
subscription, but he must consider such an °Nee-

Con as unninithv of the li'‘etAity • a great nation.
.n the year 17e7. ali pEr•is itnaninv.ilde enutl‘ited
.11 a similar veal:, in helt..llof die Earl of Ch.t.th4m.
_old he could see no reasons why tha same s:ntitiietits
,hould not be allowed to operate in the present in-
stance. There was, he said, no cirg:.r e.f this sent.
og as an encouragement to future applications ; as
he I louse, untorionately, had t.rlJoin to consider
merits of rare a quality ; ani he WAS the further
etuttag:•il in his hop. s, as dieting the time that he
the honour to sit in Parliament. he never keew
an instance wtere an appeal to the national munifi-
cence was not ciowned with success.

Mr. WINDHAM said, that whatever reasons
he ought have had for withholding his consent to
A late proposition. he was quite as willing to concur
in the present, as lie was to dissent from a former
motion. Any thing that had only a reference to per-
sonal regard and respat for the memory rf the late
Minister, should not want his concurrence; and he
confessed, that with respect to the vote now pro-
posed, he had no objeCtion either to the nature of
the object, or the terms of the motion. He was
not, on this occasion, called upon for a general
approbation of the political conduit of Mr Pitt.
which he could not give without a reprobation
all his former opinions, for which no n;an had a
right to call either upon him, or those with whom
he aEted. He even felt it more easy for him now
to approve of the present measure, because, by his
oblation to the former vote, he had protsCred himself
from any adverse conclusions that may he drawn
from the acquiescence he expressed is it. The
present motion simplyapplied to those qualLies of Mr.
Pitt, which no man was ever known to dispute—
his extreme disinterestedness, and his total disre-
gard and high disdain of all pecuniary considera-
tions, as far as regarded his nun person. In at-
folding this testimony to his memory, the House
touched upon consequences resulti g from these
qualities. This precedent, he thought, could
never be adduced to countenance other ap-
plications fur the payment of debts ; for in Mr.
Pitt's :ase there was, confessedly, nothing either of
wild pr fusion, or of idle ostentation. Th it there
was nothing of ostentatious or lavish expenditure
in his way of living, was perfectly known to all
these who were in any habits of friendship or in-
timacy with him ; and were he disposed to criticise
him, he should rather incline to think, that he
somewhat failed in that magnificence, which,
though a man might despise for his own grati-
fication, was, in the opinion of others, proper
for the maintenance or eminent station.—Mr.
Pitt alwa3s appeared to value himself much
more upon his other qualities, and to pay little or
no attention even to what might be fairly deemed
necessary splendour, and in private life was so totally
free from the affectation of any superiority over
others, that, on all occasions, he studiously rejected
it. His income from the public, and he had no
private fortune, was certainly unequal to the supply
of those comforts, which he could not indulge in
without producing the consequences which gave
rise to the present motion; and from his habitual
disregard of money, he was, of course, the more
open to the impositions of those whom he might
have to deal ss ith. His debts, open the wholso were
not only innocently, but meritoriously contracted.
lu the conclusion of his speech, the Right Hon.
Gentleman appeared to express some regret, that
the proposers of this Motion had not taken mea-
sures to extend the liberality of the House and the
public to those relatives who were near and dear
to the departed Minister.
Mr. G. PONSONBY said, that, on a former
night, he felt himself relsaantly compelled to give
a negative to the motion submitted to the House ;
but if he gave that negative vote with pain, lie
would now vote in favour of the present motion,
with a peculiar degree of satisladion and of pleasure.
He considered this vote, not as paying the debts of
Mr. Pitt, but of the publi:. For twenty years of
his life, the House and the country supported the
measures of that Minister; and, during all that
time, they did not allow a sufficient income to
himself. For his part, he was only surprised at the
smallness of his debts ; and, while he most cheerfully
concurred in the motion, he would take that oppor-
tunity cf assuring the House, that, though through
the greatest part of his Parliamentary life, he al-
most uniformly opposed the measures of the late
Minister, he never felt the least particle of ran-
lour or personal animosity towards him.

Lord FOLKSTONE said, that however he
disagreed in opinion with those who extolled the
merits of Mr. Pitt, he always admitted his states-
man-like qualities and disieterestedness. He would
only further remark, that the manner in which the
late Minister accepted the Cinque-Ports, which were
said to have been forced upon him, after a succes-
sion of long services, formed a striking contrast to
the manner in which they had lately been obtained.
Admiral HARVEY wished only to say, that he
had, in Fener4l, the gond fortune to agree with the
late Minister in his measures ; and, though he some-
times differed with him in opinion, yet he should
think himself ungrateful, if he did not cheerfully ac
quiesce in the vote now proposed.
Mr. %Vivi. SMITH said, he thought it incumbent
on him to make a few plain observations on the
present :Motion, however ungrateful what he had to
offer might sound in the ears of many Gentlemen on
both lid,s of the House. He felt himself compelled
to give his rn•gative to the Motion, because the rea-
sons assigned for the vote were such as it was im-
possible for him to concur in. He Was ex-
tremely willing to, bear his testimony to o.e set-
timent so universally expressed, of the disinterest-
edness of the late Minister, but the question) ,ecnied
here, in a great measure, to rest on the inadeipt Icy of
the salaries annexed to his high offices, at a the
great obligations which his country owed
If the hlouse acknowledged that the salaries were
too small, they must, of course, lay themselves un-
der the necessity of increasing them and, he seas
free to say, whoever the persons might be. who
were !ikely to succeed to these offices, that, in the
present situation of the country, he should rot like
to see the salaries of Ministers increasel. II; on
the other hand, the question were to depend upon
every Gentlernan's sense of Mr. Pitt's public ser-
vices, he wished to know why he should be now
called up-in t.-1 approve those services, which,
through the course of his Parliamentary conduit
he uniformly denied' If Gentlemen were seriously
desirous of unanimity, be would ask them. why they

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pn: the qtx.stion on : footing, anJ nes a g5,,,,j
whits tn.4Jit it impos anJ those whe
thought with him, to agree to? While rl • R-ml.-
men
oppu:ite in him s' fished to indece the House to
confer public honours upon Mr. Pit:, he perceive,'
a strange mixture in the mode Of their pri eeed,ie
In their mode of doing business, every soppe
of the measures of the late Minister, at the sa
time that he paid a compliment to leniteif,
careful to convey at least an d cenarre
those who Vied in opposition to him. He, Wei ices
would not give his consent to a m aims, which, by
implication, conveFed a lihel on himself. The sue.
pones, of the motion caned Mr. Pitt " the Fa.
viour of his Country from the anarchy with which
it was threatened !" (tt ert/ ir hear/ hea,!
the Alimistrrill 13,11,, ). hie thought he could see, fie
the manuer in which that quotation sv:_s receive.', an
additional proof of that in•empetance which they
were so long in the habit of manitestin;z......
Did they even, in ens very vote, obtain a subse-
quent approbation of ail the measur-s the Minister
resorted to on the occas'on allii led to ?—(a cis.
of Ns! /I',,!j—Why, then, wet e they so ins prient, as
scion as they lieatd these measures questioned ? For
Ids own part, he believed, at the time, sod he be-
lieved it still, that a clamour was then industriously
raised, merely !or the purpose of discrediting mart
eminent persons, some of whom were then near him;
and that an advantage was taken of that clam, Cr,
to make greater inroads on :he constitution of the
country than ever was done in aav former or suhse-
quent peliods of our history. It, therefore, he couid
acknowledge no collie merits in the Minister, he did
not see why the public should be called upon fbr the
payment of his debts : and net finding himself at
all convinced, by the arguments in support ni
the motion, he should think himself bound in duty
to resist it. His fri-nds ascribed great merit to the
Minister for abstaining from actions, which, it he
committed, must degrade him. They esteemed
it a sublime virtue in him, that he did not de.
scend to peculation. He certainly al, ays thought
that distinguished man above such base prac-
tices, and it was only they who pr died Lim for
not so staining himself, who did injustice to his
memory. He respelled those merits which Mr.
Pitt possessed, but he could not think of txtecisirg
generosity at the etpence of others. If a pubic
subscription for the discharge of these debts, on ti e
part of that Right Hon. Gentleman's friends, could
prove insufficient for that purpose, he decl.red
self willing to contribute his full proportion, but he
should not think himself justified in transferring
that barthen on the public.

Mr. ROOF. disclaimed all idea of ascr:hing any
merit to the late Mir.ister for his not descending
the practices of peculation ; and the great merit
attributed to his lamented Friend was, that he, aided
by the worth and private virtue of his Sovereign,
was art instrument in the hand of Providence, to
save his country from that anarchy with which it
was threatened and surrounded. He felt himself
bold to say, that his abstaining from deriving any
pecuniary emoluments from the Ministerial advan-
tages he possessed, was not his only merit. At !I.e
time when some political circumstances induced
that great man to retire from office, a rut sensa-
tion was felt in the city of London, on account cf
his pecuniary embarrassments ; and, at a meeting
privately held for that purpose, some Gentlemeti
had come to a resolution to raise, in tile space of
forty-eight hours, the sum of 100,u0o!. for lir
relief. An Honourable Baronet, who was, probably,
then in the House, communicated this resolution
to him (Mr. Rose), as a proper person to propcse
it to his deceased friend, in the manner most likely
to reconcile him to it. He did so; and he solemn!y
declared, in the presence of God, that the answer
he received from Mr. Pitt, was no crnsideia-
tMn upon earth shall ever induce me to accept it."
He then, according to his instraelions. prcerteded
to press the acceptance upon him, assuring him,
it was done in so private a manner, that could'
never be disclosed, nor should he himself . ver Le*
acquainted even with the names of any of the
persons concerned in it. Mr. Pitt, however, wts
ir-
Arxible in his determination ; nhservinq, that is the
event of his ever rewriting to office, he knew th it the
msciousness of it would impress him with the M. A
uneasy sensations ; and declared his intention re-
turning, in a short time, to the etercise of his pro-
fession in the Courts of Law. In another inst....t'c.
also, which occurred in the year 1801, having Leen
bound to secrecy, his did not feel himself at lshcrty
to say any more, than that another s:milar proposi-
tion was made and rejefted by Mr. Pitt, in the
same manner as before. Ha, indeed, was one rt
those who thought such a mode of discharg.ng 1.3
debts would be highly honourable t 3 his lattice:ea
friend, and pressed it on him accordingly; but
resolution was invincible, and he could rester he
brought to submit to it. All he had further t
add was, that after this notice was first given.
he attended a meeting of Mr. Pitt's friend., al..]
objected to this application being made to the
I louse, from the cmrietion he had, that the sint..unt
of the debts would be readily discharged by r ia!i-
scription amongst his private friends lut, ns t!'s
Motion was brought forward, he was determiu.d
to give it his support.
Mr. MANNING said, he was very well con-
vinced it would be Mreh more difficult to rer.t...s.
than set in motion the discharge of the late Ni.-
niater's debts amongst his private friends, who en-
tertained hut one opinion as to the value of 1.1
public services, and considered him the instrument
of Providence in effeCting the salvation of his
country ; but he was, at the same time, satistild.
that the mode now proposed, would be the moss
accepts:4e to a groat majority of the people of this
kingdom. He bore his testimony to the statemeot
made by Mr. Rose, that in 1801 Mr. Pitt resisted the
proposition then made for the payment of his debts.
He said. that, during the thirteen years lie 'At 1111
that Louse, he seldom troubled them at all ; and
never in his life proposed any expenditom of the
public money. On the contrary, in a year of gtvat
dlficulty, he was the h. st to suggest the plan, which
was adopted by the then Miniter (Mr. Pitt) :or
raising a sum of money, by v.-luntary coi.tribtations.
which, in the result, amounted to two miilions st.r•
Ting. Aft:r this instance, he did not coped to h!..
considered as a squanderer of the public mousy, 11.,
he supported this Motion ; though he knew, that if
this notice had 0.. t been given.the torn now deafen:kJ
WOOL:. have been raises, en l'unrsday last, with great