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the ruin of our armies. the expenditure of our
treasure. and the lots of Spain. Whenever he
looked into the public prints. he expected to be
stated in the face by tither expeditions. tie then
udterted to the grant of 986.0001. for the support
of a British force in Portugal ; and carious other
unnecessary profusion. of the public trioney---aiid
inured for a return of the expenditure in the Mili-
tary Department, front the 44th of Dec. 1808„ to
es th of Dec. 1809.

Mr. Lone objected to the motion, as he did not
conceive it practicable to give such an eV% Male. If
the Wu. Gentleman meant the amount of the
soma advanced upon all the Expedition', togrtis, f
wills the particulars of the expenditure, lie .utelv
must be convitiee. d, that such an estimate mina tie
attended with very great dilbculty and incouveut-
ence.

Sir T. Tema explained.
Sir Just■ Nsiveciev said. the system of aCcouNt.
ing mast be v.-ry deficient, if the act:mints void 1
nut be laid before the !loose immediately. It
would he moat material that the eapeuditure of the
year before, were known, previous to any ar►anKr-
turut for the future. And until such was the
he yenta oppose any emotion respecting any Witt of
future military provision.
Mr. Husatisue said. that if the amazing fmnes-
ditiere of money iu the military service wee duly
considered, together with the different and cisraph.
oiled modes of that expenditure, ho was rert tin
the Hon. Gent. would deem the production of
aLe,,aat. as he required, impracticable.
r. KULP El. t. said a few words.

Mr. CALCRAtT said, that he could not bnt •x-
-press his amazement, that ont of 105,000 men.
only 16,000 were effectitc, and begged -11 w a solo.
Lion of so very extraordinary a position. •
Lord PLLMtasTOM SA.J. that It Kos very cosy
to account for that ; as one was only a disposals!,,
the other an effective force.
The CIIANCLI.LOR of the Ear:unman accounttd
for the disironortion, by stating the different
dents to which the coriv were liable, from ill health,
want of egnipments, &c. &c.
After mime olne, rations from Sir Gllololt
ac inn, it was moved. " That a return of the Mi-
litary Expenditure, from the 24th of December.
Mt to the esti, of December, 1809, be laid he.
fore the House, ss far as can be made out." ITirea
this the House divided, when there appeared, for Sir
T. Turton's motion—
Ayes
Noes

The CIIIMICELLoi. Of the Euncouca moved for
• new wilt. to he issued for Use County of Cam-
bridge. its the room of the Right Hon. CHARLES
YOaltC. who, since his election, has accepted the
office of TELLER Of the ES-MAI:ER.
An account of the looney expended on the hou,,e
in Downing-street, occupied by the Pre‘ideot of
the Board of Controul, was brought up,and ordeted
to lie on the table.
LEWD WELLINGTON'S PENSION SILL _

The CHattceLLoa ut the EALHEQIIRa moved ais
Order of the Day for the second reading of Lord
Wellington's Pension Bill.
Mr. WHITMAD stated, that the cousiderat on
of the bill, at such a time, was extremely olijer-
tionable, as, but a short t.me before. a petition bad
been presented from the City opium it.
The CHANCILLOR of tlir LatH¢QCER said,
that. in other stages of the bill, it might be op-
posed, and saw no reason for any present objec-
tion.

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Mr. VS UITIISEAD was unwilling to take up the
time and attention of the House, but could rut
sutler the further consideration of the Bill, without
tames himself strongly against it. He re-
mained wislbskeit •n the opinions Ishii+ he h. 4 be-
fore given wnk respect to Spain and Portugal. He just:y ap-
preciated the conduct of Len hick, though it re-
flected honour upon him, did sot, by its etfsrts or successes.
entitle bun to any peceuiary reward, and surely sup awn
might concur in the *SOOOf bin Lordship's dam , ited
oppose the asennans isf esiminving upon him • price fur his
excrt.ous, front the oohing parse. A Right Hon. Genthinan
bad stated, that his Lewdsbip's (octane w a by no mesas
'Nunn ; Inch as to keep his Peerage from the ivauraUJs
of poverty. Rut this bill propuerd • pension for Hoeg
generations, and at a 'guitarist when one million would be de-
manded for Portugal, when we could have no more hope
of glory or 'drainage from sock • arms,,, than we de-
rived from Lord Wellington's campaigo. He rsold not
help declaiming against advancing • stop farther upon th•
consideration of the grain, when be considered the n in
which resulted from the various measui ~/Government.
and when there lay on the table, • petition trues the tit, of
London, against the petition which bed been just propined.
Sir Joust NIEWIPOZT contended, that X 'aisle, s might base
rewarded his Lordship by conferring upon him the Tel ...-
ship of the Exchequer, add said that he would ester his pt . -
test against the consideration of the Bid.
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Mr. HUTCIIIIIIION 'puke la adiairrtion of his Lordship's
conduct, which be said entitled him to livery species of ho-
nourable distinction.

Mr. H. 11•11ITIX wondered that the situation al;u4,d to
by Ws H. Friend Lad been bestowed open a person to
w sterile Hie House were strangers, a ben it IllelgLt hais
buss glossa* a reward for uallitaty series.
Aker a few words front Sir W. Cuarts, the C.L.11-,
lery was cleared, and a divunoa took pince:—
For lbe second Reading
Against it
Majority ..
ARMY ESTIMATE&
Upon our re-admission we found the
Comin.ttee on the Army Estimates.

Lord P Stottwas oo his legs, until
principles on whlch these estitastro were nis.le,
kin.wo, that it was onni:eresar) bir lino to cote,

From a perusal of the Jocensen is
.o.emlorlree,

that retry tteentlese to pub it crummy
tLem in their fcseneaticm; and, on a commit son
'teens with thane of hart year, that tot n ductin.
poisVtle had bee■ unwind, nr any eupontic
could be der ene4 unirmtemsy Tire ertimtle•
twelitc-one beads, 10 wbich be could call sly.- •
the Committee, one by ~na, tsnA want mot the
hetweew them and the cm rceptoubse items of last
also malice whet( further savour, might is fatal, he
The /est headers* that of the Land Forcvs, in w itch
hems made two or 'Mee aria goratf..sl,ehichertt.rtl

frecisee in the 'tattoo:tits. lo look's* to t►is pat
644 paid the simile al Ica% 1.. a to proportiouate t►
mist to the eireetive steroid' otriegsmeots.
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from ♦ to Gee, at bon; and, as it might be la every succeed-
log too, from b to MI., from it to woo, from to to tam., at
the higher another of s, 10, Or 10. IVhest the increase of
men, from mernitoug, and other cause% von lake,, into con.
sideration, Gealleonca must be coavinced, thin, its thin, the
line was drawn :.s C...Sely as Cu • icut for the service.
Anutlier alteration bad been made, in consequence of the
suggestions of the Commissioners of Military Innyniry, and
forage for borne, Rll.l turaml and meat for the men, instead of
bring inelieled ender tho tinsel head, were now transferred to
the Commissariat. A third point of alterationwas, the reduc-
tion red agency fur cavalry, which was reduced t-tth, making
she emolumeut to the agent still adequate to hiarrouble, and
nearer that received by agents for infautry. The last alters-
tiois he had to notice, ender this heel, was one of cousioltes-
ble magnitude; it was, the disonutiuting a twenty men in
every troop of horse. Of these, test had been disoriented
tan year, after Ilk estimates had poised, awl ten inure were
now added. Every regiment of cavalry consisted of ten
troops of eighty nava, makiug eight losadreol men. When
ordered oe foreign service, six troops were sent, leaving two
at hum,• for the purpose of recruiting Did it was not ewes-
eery for these to have horses, mid, therefore, by the present
arraolcusent, the regiments would be folly as efficient for
forriga service, while inoi,ooul. per arm. would be saved of
the public money. to the hou.nehold troops, it appeared,
t here was snaring ur fort roue anaemia two hundred and forty-
nose pounds. In the Dragoon Guards and Dragoons, in which
there was M increase of atiti Met), from the valises before-
mentioned, and the substitution of Syrjeant •Majors instead
of Quarter-masters of troops, would be found a decreer* of
expense to the amount of wit, t3oid la so additional bat-
talion to the regiment, and outlier addition, there was
an Mere:tied espouse of 711,ruul.shile, under the head of Un-
nambered Battalions, a saris& took place of 49,7t.5t This
arose partly fmm the reduction d two garrisou hattalitous,
from which alone .10,3171. wan saved. The mat head in the
Estimates was the (Loyal %Viggoin Train. In thus, too, a
very considerabty volnrtion had taken place: coo of the 1
troops, of ahich it was origioudly Curate I, Ere
had beets
discontinued. Thin was dune, hecemse it was &and that this
species of force, though very useful on foreign -.deice, if
kept up to so gnat ass extent, would cost more than, spine a
tvueralview,sadconsistent with economy, could be thought
a fair price fur their services---(Heer!)—By this reduction a
saving was effected of 513,4331. The next heed was that of
barrack Artificers, which had been embodied to complete
the works and furilications about Gibraltar. That purpoee
• being (Meted, they would be found no loner a part of the
annual expenditure. The following head was that of the
Manx reacibles, who had been reduced from ten companies

to four. lu these two iteesse the decrease of exposer was
ts, 1371. namely i3,stitl. fur the one and 4,4731. for the other.
lu the succeering head ma increase of 47.7071- appeared, of
Which eo,ooul. wan for Field-Officer,. This leas not a mew
tierce as it load heretofore bete provided under another
head, but' was now first stated, on the face of the Estimate,
im eemplimice with the suggestion of the Cuinntiasioa-
lee of Military Inquiry, that, wherever it was possible,
every article of expels.. slimild be stated in a separate
and distinct clam. The next head was that of Miscel-
laneous Services, in which there was aa iecreasse of charge
to the &mogul of 'road. This large sus was twin
to the payments made to °Akers few losses on service
in Spain, and in South America; bet it was iu coutempla-
tion to din:msh such charge. in future and insteadof these
allowances, to afford to regiments at home a regular
Sion, to put thew ou au equality with the nary, is hatift
their wine duty free. This would amount to to us 11,0601.
per annum. Open a whole view of ibis branch, then, it ap-
peared that it was increased by in men, while in exposes
it had decreased 98,421. The second breech applied to the
regiments iu the East Indies, hut these being paid by the
Company, were truly mentioned for the purpose of being
brought under the cognizance of the House, and not to en-
ter tutu calculatiiins of their expense. The roil) sum cliiirg•
ed was 3494. and paid by the comitry, fur an additional re-
(retain., company for two battalions sent to ll:dia. The
fourth branch related to the embodied Militia, to which

S4l MN', had been added, sod the expense lessened t 50,71161.
'ibis arose fruin melting large deductions for non effective..
The seat head was the Staff, &r. in which there was an in-

crease of s t0:471. arising, not foirs an increase of the Staff,
bid from the additions accessary fur the Medical Department.
They them came to the Chaplains of the Army, who were in-
tended to be placed un a better footing than formerly, nut
with respect to lei', hot to their half-pay which, at the end
of eight year'a service, was to be et '
pdtrel, and bd. per
day for every additiosal year till it amouided to fir. They
were slam, to give testimonies of good character, before they
were admitted to the service, seek as should meet the appro.
'satins of the Archbishops of Cautir bury and York, sod the
Bishop of London. Coder the bead of Superameteraries,
there was • saving of •CCAllielle4 by deaths or maw-
rah; of persons coming under that description. Under that
of Public Departments, the saving was 21,137 pseuds
using to the Secretary of the 'Commander-in•Chiei,
(Cul Turrens) having a moallar salary than his predecease,,
and also a saving of 11,1691. in the Pay-office. In the War.
Office, frogs acraagemeuts that had heirs made, in separat-
ing the Office Mr the examination of Accounts from that fur

Ci7rrespiiiidewee, moil the nerissary addition of 24 clerks to
carry on the immense hosiers of that department, the im
crease of es penm was a,a631. In doing this, wherever it was
possible to abolish IMO MAC!, it had been dour ; and thus
she Office of Evarnioer of Army Ailments was discontinued.
And, by Mr. Merry's surereiling Mr. Moore, and giving op
olunterily the post of Purveyor of Coals fur Gihrakar, 4S1/l.
per annum was in;nordiately, and 0001. ultimately, saved..—
Under the head of llixtrsordioartes, 8771. was expended far
the Depot of military kern/Sedge in the putties* of ...pa,
6,0it1. was added by the substitution of a new Army.
Aludkal Board, more diciest thou the tut. On the half--
pay there was an addition of Sind. On the head of Chelan!
Hospital, a decrease of 3mt7. On that of Out•pensiourrs, ti
decreased charge of a i„:901. But there would lose been an
increase.( ta,oool. had it not been for the appropriation of
11141,0001. unclaimed prire.money to this head of service.
Under the bead of Widow: Peonies's, the iortemed ex.
penes was Ilti4 11. Volunteer corps, a decrease of
In the Local Militia there were 23 additional corps, hut the
reduction of expense was 376,1 SM. sod hereafter it would be
still more. It was however bat fair to say, that this was iu
part owing to the sum of 417,0061 not being voted this year
fur clothing. The rent +antrum the number of days trattoria
for the privates being reduced to dd. Under the heeded' Fo-
reign Corp., there was an addition of 975 men, and of ex•
pense 34,770 t from the tektog into British pas the corps of
the Duke of Krone. iek. The nest head, the Boysl Militias
College the increase of expense was 40,9721. of whicii
40,00tre was for the erection of a new College at Marlow.
The cape's* of the kola! Military Asylum was also in-
creased .5471. from the addition of 136 children. The head

relieved Chaplains and Clergymen was diminished 71 JII and
fit hospital expchses 971 woe unit On the Compas.iuseatt
List the increase wu t,4ail ; on the Barracks, iu Irelsed,
30441., cud the Commissariat is the same country a decrease
of e 6,0001. From all these it appeared that the WA Merest
was 149,75 el The deductions were 8,01501. nod the gi UPS
Miring 736,9921. Between the two years the balance is favour
of the ritual W 32 an increase of toi.t7 airs, and a litrfrate
of 9.7..2,0•921. eif upenelisiere. The Nubile Secretary combo'.
eel these statements, wit b a very animated eulogy es our mi-
litary forte, which was OS efficient in discipline, se in num-
bers ; and ibis, nut only in the regular army, bet ie the

militia, voluotrers, end other deserlitios Or fungi. WC had
frini,oini men is arms, haglifiell a nary of 20iymo. The mas-
culine energies of the nation mere *ever more compiillollll,
and the country never stood in so proud mid glorioiss a situ.
alio, as at present. After • conflict for fifteen years, against
an enemy, whose power had been increasing, we were still
able to maintain the war with augmenting facts, end a po-
pulation, by the pressure of external circumstances, roams-
iodated iatu an impregnable military mass. Our physical
mreagth had risen, es it was called for, and if roe dud out
present the opposition of numerous fortresses to an invade%
aa the Cositiocat did, we presented the more insuperable
barrier, of • high-spirited, patriotic, and enthusiastic peo-
St, who were nut to be vanquished, or broken through.
General GASCOYN • called the smut. of the blouse to
the ease of sinkers in the misty, who, from the rant of Cap-
fait and upwards, had really tess pay now than they had in
the year tgiut. This he proved from a S. in the Hortense
Lamy of that date; and after citing many ether grievances
trader whieh this etas of men antlered, he earnestly meows-
encoded them to the considerat of the 'loose. With re-
spect to the allowance Ire •Ilot, he calesslated that the In OT
`se Noble Secretary, 'meld not amount

Irs,oool. amestiosed

to mole thee pal. per annum, to an officer, a boon not worth
acceptance.
Lord G. L. Gowen, while he was satisfied with some of
the economical statemetits made by the Noble Secretary, wag
yet di.appoiated that noire hail not bee• done. He approved '
of disunnuetiag the twenty mew in troops uf cavalry, but
ceosiired t►e system of purchasing horses uf two yt ars old fur
the army. He also thought the Waggon Train might have
been dues away altogether, and that the mine step might
have heed taken with the AI4IIX Feiteibles. With regard to
the Staff too, much might lie effected is the way °firm tttttt y.
In the Home District, beside, the CUllll9,llklel* ii Cbo4, A li•
Quarter• Master, anti Hareack•ManterGeurral, there
were two Generals, far whom he saw no use—he alluded In
the Duke of Condign* and Lord Heathheld, whose pay
each was from it to ata.J. per &IMAM. Au Hon Mesnlii r
of that House, (General Tarletou,) had &command in ti.•
South District, over 2,400 sten, mostly militia, ut....e ih, is
' was also • Major-Geiseral. Is Scotland there were 11,1.•
men, and 11 Gruerials, all which he COliAltlVlell as a waste of
money.
The Cu • Dr ci:LLOR of the MCORP-AOC/I replied to the ton•
last speakers. It was mach store easy to retrench its the..: y.
than is practice. Willi respect to the purchme of hos, e•
of two years old, • difference of opinion existed, some liwld-
iug that it woo the cheapest, others the dearest made. As fie
the Waggon Corps, they had Alum away five uf the totter
companies ; five of die remainder were an Portugal, mill, ac-
cording to the Cuinivander. in-Chief there, of the utmost
service to the army, and two troops recruited fur them ■t
home. They could not therefore be done away with at once.
The Manx rencibics had been reduced front 80010 530,
a- I there were retained because the Consmasiler.in-Chief
informed the Adiainistratitto that if they were disbanded,
their place must he filled by regular.. (hi the Staff there
was nu inereme, bat what arose from the increase of sank
grouted oft the mutation of the Jubilee. He considered the
question about the Duke of Cambridge and Lard Reedit-odd,
se one refortunately asked, to which no amasser could he
given ; and as for the Hist General (Tarletutil hi■ hems in
place was at least • proof that there wan no job or view to
l'ailiainentire service iu his employment. The Right !low
Gradient's then replied to Geucnd Gaseuyise, ant stated,
that the arrests of army clothing were in feture to lie paid
up. That the income Tax would not he levied on bat and
forage money, mid that the rim allowance w.wild be made
to regiments at home to the amount of t!.iol. to gtul. for
every hattaliou per amain. While economy was urged on
the our hand, and increase of pay oa the oilier, Ministers
hail to steer bets me, sad give every attention to the wl•
diem' claims, whale they regarded the espeurliture of the pub-
lic motley
Lord G. L. GoveLa in etplanatioa said, be meant no
dis-
respect to the Duke of Cambridge and Lord Ilemblield, has
observations applied to the Staff, not to the °Ricers.
General Taat.arow rebutted the insinuation with teepee(
to himself; stated hie services, and said, that lie considered
a home mammal se being as bad as banishment to Siberia.
Mr. HIJOSisSON humored differing its some respects from
his Right Ilan. Friend, with whom he had forinerly the
honour of being iu other, and whose theory, upon the pro
sent occasion, he could not approve of. Cuosiderable ecie-
ninny was accessary at the present moment, and it was iu
the dindoution mil retrenchment of their establishments

they should seek to effect it. lie did not mean to joie in
the out.door cry, but atilt he would ►ay that fl 00010% was
necessary to our preservation. He sent into a compilation
upon the state of the tames ; and contended, that, since the
year 1793, they were increased nine fold. Many of the
taxes, he feared, were so high as tin y could be carried; be
instanced the taxes upon tea and stamps. The greater the
taxatioo, the greater should be the ban; aad the greater
the luau, the greater should be the taxation : thus the two
evils were calculated to aggravate each other. Of all the dif-
Scabies and danger, to who h this country was exposed, the
one must to be dreaded was the failure of the *minces ; and it
would become the House to take into consideration the circa mi-
Mabee of the present war being levelled so much against them.
Tate wisdom consisted in seeing the dmiger, and avoiding it.
Ia the year 11.04, when the cuemy turned all his efforts to
the investors of This calamity, great preparations were neces-
sary to meet them ; but it was not neces.ary that all the
great heads of eNpesise should continue to ices case, from year
to year, as was the case Mace that period. He neat into other
minute calculations upon the purchase of bones for the ca.
*airy, lice. He estimated all our regular farce, including the
Davy, at five handled thousand men. Much expenditure
had crept insensibly in, but it was in consequence of the pre•
sent system, and the want of a superinteadiug controul The
t'asalry, the S:aff, the Waggon Titling, might be diminish-
ed. It might be aarrilied to some political or selfish pus--
pour that lie had spoken dots, but such were the opinion* be
hail alum, a maintained, und always avowed.
Mr. t. Rose sant, that winch reduction had taken place
in the aliffeicist departments to wltcb his Right lion Friend
had alluded. He approved of a superiistenilsitg power, for it
wss•rigbt that there should be only on. baud in the public
purse.—(A loath )
Mr. Rimer. maintained, also, that great retrruclimeut
had taken place, and declared, that it was his imenti 4444 to
bonne to a bill for the purpo• of effecting a further reduction
in the expense of the Local Militia.
Mr. PETER. Mooar. was of opinion, that the speech of tbe
Right Honourable Secretary (Ryder) was a mint dangerous
one, sad that suc► srguiaents should nut be held out to
the public.
Earl Tx was surprised that the inefficiency of the
Medical Board had not been before &mud out, and be did
sot know a security the House had, but that those subse-
quently appointed 'night not he is the same state.
Mr. Peace, AL, to explauation, said, the roily security
that enuld be given was, that if the persons appointed wino
proved incapable, they should be dismissed ; but he did not
conceive that any thing is the Expedition to the Scheldt was
the cause uf the chimer.

Cul. WaapLl, mete a loag speech, which comprehended
argusieuts to prove that there was a Waale of public money
to the military system of thin coustry, w►ich might be rosily
obviated. He was rejoiced to find that t►e Hight Hon. Gent le-
S. an (Mr. Pererval) acknowledged that it wai not the late
Expedition which caused the change in the Medical Board;
fur it plowed that his suneatiosis were of some effect. He
ennui point out objects innumerable, where expense, and us-
necessary expense, ►ad followed their a►my contracts; is
one instance where soldiers' great coat* cost only os., es. fid.
was added fee their being water proof, which he would en-
gage to the House might be dom. fur MI. per coat.

Ifter some hum Mr. Hutkiesbo, Mr. Powell,
Lord Mahon, sod Lord Pohuerstua, the rentataisg ports of
the estimate+ were agreed to.
F.art Ter rt.r gave notice, that he would, on Thenday,
is fur the establishosest of the sew Medical Board.
The War Tsass.wetw voted.
TM Home adjoursed at SALT VAST TWO.

EXPEDITION TO THE SCHELDT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

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M I N ['TES of EVIDENCEtaken before the COMMITTEE
or She WHOLE ROUSE, appointed to eueeitler of the
pohry and CIMINO of the late EXPEDITION to the
SCSI ELDT.
The Eight Hue. Sir J. ANSTEUTHER, Bart. is the Chair

ILiest -Gen. the Rigid Rua. the Earl of C called la.

reeareirsed by tke Cossaiitue.
At what time was it first proposed to your Lord-
ship to take the command of the army destined for
the Scheldt do not recollect the exact time ; I
believe to the beginning of June.
By whom was that proposition first made to you►
Lordship?—By the Secretary of Mate for the War
Department.
Will your Lordship state what plan was given to
your Lordship at that (tune, or sins sug._e.ted, te'a-
timetto the operations intruded to he riprii,ted to
yont Lordship's ?—There was no parti-
cular plan f•tatrd in nit.
It is stated ins our Lordship's Narrative, that •
change hal taken place iu the original plan. in

consequence of the military opinions ; will your
Lordship state what was the original plan ?—The
orginal plan alluded to will be shewa to the House
by reecho., the opinion of Sir David pandas and
the other General Officers, which was taken upon
that plan; that was, the idea of landing at O,tehd,
and proceeding from thence to Aiitvirtitp.
Had that plan met with your Lordship's appro.
Lotion ?—lt was not particularly submitted for my
approbation.
Before your Lordship sailed, will yourtoraship
have the goodness to state what was the !den of
operations you intended to be adopted ?—.ll con-
ceive that the plan intended to be adopted is de-
scribed very much in the instructions; certainly I
had many communications upon the euhject with
His Majesty's Mimsters' as to the details. The
plan seems to be described in the instructions.
Will your Lordship have the gootitie.s to state
what was the result of the communications which
you had upon the subject of the detail of operations
with Hi 4 Majesty's Ministers ?
[The Chairman informed the Earl of Chatham, that it Um
nut necessary for his Lordship to answer any question which
he might be of opinion might trod to inculpate or criminate
himself either as one of His Majesty's confidential advisers,
or as Cussussuder-imChief of the late Expedition to the
ScheWt.)
Will your Lordship have the goodness to state
what was the result of the communications which
you had upon the subject of the detail of operations
with His Majesty's Ministers ?—I really do sot
toile understand thatquestion.
. .

What were the verinil instructions coder which
your Lordship acted ?-1I did nut act under soy
verbal instructions ; there were many explanatory
of the other instructions of the geurril plan; the
communications I had with the Set 'Thiry of State
were on the subject of carrying lulu effect the object
of the instructions.

11. id your Lordship any written instructions as to
the mode in which the objects of the Expedition
were proposed to be accomplished ?-1 had no other
instructions than those which are before the House;
of course 1 mean the instructions to myself mailer
the Sign-Manual, and those to the Admiral, which
wore also communicated to me.
Will your Lordship have the goodness to state
what was the substance of the verbal explanations,
by winch you understood how you were to carry
your own instructions into effect ?—I do not very
well know how to answer that; they were rather
comments, probably, on the instructions and con-
versations upon the manner of carrying them into
effect. •
The instructions under the sign-manual appear
merely to state what were the objects of the Expe-
dition; I wish to know by what plan it was expected
those objects were to be attained ; can your Lord-
ship stale the substance of any instructions, written
. or verbal, by which you were put iu possession of
the intentions of His 'Majesty's Ministers upon that
subject?—l think the naval instructions, in a great •
measure, put sue into possession of the general plan.
111811 your Lordship state, by what mode of ope-
rations it was intended to get possessionot; or de-
stroy the enemy's fleet, and the arsenals at Ant-
werp ?—I conceive that was intended to be done,
by landing such part of the army as was not en-
gaged iu the ►iege of Flushing, and employed in
the reduction of Walcheren, as soon as possible at
Santvliet, and to proceed against Antwerp accord.
ing to circumstances, which could not be distinctly .
known until our arrival there, but must depend
upon intelligence as circumstances tune,.
Did your Lordship understand, that, to (arty
that plan into effect, it was intended to obtain
possession of the ►own and the citadel of Antwerp ?
—Not absolutely ; it might have been attained
possibly without obtaining possession of Antwotp-
and she citadel ; but probably could not be eaten'.
ed without obtaining ,possession of one '.l them,
certainly.
At what time was it your Lordship formed the
opinion which you afterwards expressed, ►hat those
objects could not be accomplished without taking •
possession of ►he citadel, as well as the town of
Antwerp ?-1 em not perfectly sure that I slated
such an opinion ; I suppose that it is meant by
that, as part of the plan ; I did not conceive it was
necessary, as part of the original plan, that we should
gain possession both of the citadel and the town of
Antwerp, for the purpose of carrying the objects '
into effect ; certa lily, at a late period, l knew it
WAS perfectly impossible without the possession of
both, to have done any thing ; I understand the
question to be pointed to the plan, whether it was
the original plan.
Will your Lordship have the goodness to state
at whin time it was you were convinced that the
possession of both would be necessary lor the ac-
complishment of those objects ?—I cannot exactly
say when I first formed that opinion, but I errtrin-
ly entertained that opinion at the time that the
armament was assembled at &dm

The Committee is to understand that was not
the opinion which had been entertained by His
Majesty's Government, when the armament sailed
from this country ?-1 do not klub, that such an
opinion was entertained ; 1 believe not.
Wss not your Lordship mode coinpletely ac-
quainted with what were the opinions end the in-
tentions of His ill:ijesty's Government, before you
sailed from this country.?-1 certainly conceived I
was.

Then your Lordship conceived that et that time,
it was not conceived necessary that you should
tain possession of the citadel of Antwerp ?—I mire
not staled that; I statell merely that it was not
conceived, as I understood. necessary by Ilu Ms.
jedy's Government, that in o►der to accomplish the
purpose of the destruction of the French fleet. the
British army should be in possession both of the
citadel and the town of Antwerp.
Was it at that time conceived. that. if Tour
Lordship obtained posses•inn of the town. • iiiiout
the citadel, you would be able to destroy the flea
end the arsenal at Antwerp ii—That mu.t have de•
pended entirely on the situation of the fleet suit of
the arsenals ■t Antwerp.

h
the Committee tounderstand that )our Lord-
ship was sent to attack the mud aluck• at
Antwerp. without being appris-il ul what ws their
situation ?—1 was not dioioeil) of the
biturbou of the docks, unr du I know th4t there
were any docks at Antwerp; there ate a ire it
many ships Wilding, but I lawny. understood they
were building upon slip+, and not in dm kw.

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lithiC9oll:lAlttee LO Ulliderlialiti CIA% y

ship was sent to attack the arsenal.% at.,l
Atitserp, without being apprised u„i,
situation ?--I did not exactly know, bor d,
bend it was ♦ery inatterial to the vurorhe
pedition, in what part of the to% a
they were under the pretection 01 the Al
citadel.

What circumstance% that afterw.inla
the knowledge of your Lord,hip,
form the opinion that the povari.viett of v
would be necebsary for theaccompliduatial
oftjects ?-1 had rather reason to belie
never knew it with perfect certainty, tha
cipal naval establishments Were upon
ground, beta ern the town and citadel;
particulai ly alluded to, is trtating the poi.,
the citadel us nrctasary at the latter p,
time 1 was there orgy, dna the whale of 4
fleet had retired as high as the citadel
under the protection of the gnus, and th
them bad paroled beyond the eitadi I.

Did your Lordhhip knot, before you h
whether the orlltllid WWI completely v,,,,
the guns of the citadel ?—I hehrre 1
had no distinct knowledge before 1
where the around, were.

Did }our Lordship afte►wards uudei
they were completely cominsitdett by 11
the citadel ?—I had different accuuutt
telligence stated. that -many of the Ishii
were to thut ottoman, ; others, that tl
the lower pun of the town.; 1 tko not fit
had any .very,coi ;vet intelligence upon tt
Will your Lordship hart the isualnes.
whether...at any time. any plan ens cui
the attack on Antwerp I—No pluu iu
fryer cinicer:lid for the attack on Autism
have depended entirely upon circutnatonses,
we had landed upon the Continent.

Previously to your LortUhip's
acquainted with the situation of Amore,'
.tretigth of ilx fortifications 1-1 had oul
knowlfeo.4e of it.

What war that general knowledge ?—F
ing sren several plans in military books
and citadel of Antwerp; .1 had no part!
put into my hands of its existing stab
moment.

By what node was it intended .to proceed
Antwerp from Santahet ?—That would
entirely regulated by .circumstances;
by the period at which we arrived there
much by circumstances of intelligence,
arrival, of the strength of the enemy, e.
knowledge we should obtain of the actual
the place.
%Vas there, Et env time during your
operations in Zealand, uny plats deviewd
tacik upon Antwerp?—For the reasone
ready stated there was none; we never 14:Idi
the Continent..
When your Lordship sailed, did you
that the operation against Antwerp %as
ducted solely by laud, or was to he a
military and miss' operation
must entirely have depended upon e :FAA
whether it would have been most elf flat
have made the. iirelmiinary sieges of Lill
kenshoeik, oleie I, wee necessary in urih
the fug co-np.aation of the Navy, or
would hive bei•i, undertaken by the arm.
partial co-operatton only of the Navy,
could have ethirded, without the capture.
torts.

" Previously to your Lordship's sailing,
Seiluuiutrd with the state of L.illo ?-1 had
kuutsledge di►tinctly of the state of Lille,
the information and intelinetuce Arcady'
Russet will state; 1 had nu particular i
upou the subject.
Previously to your Lordsl:ip's soiling.
acqneititetl with the state of Liefktuahuen
not.

-Was it not afterwardi your Lordship
that the ulterior ohjeets of the Expedition
have been accomplished without being
sion-of Lillo and Lief kenshook ?--Certait

is the Committee to usdemtatid, that
of your Lordship, when the army was swam
Baths, was, that those ulterior objects
have heen aociimplished, without the possession
Lillo and Lief kenshoeik, of the town of
and of the citadel of Antwerp ?—ln a
sure it was; I ■m not perfectly sae, but
they could not have been accomplished ail
possession doll. I ought to add, that 1
could not well have been done without t
*ion of one or two other forts that we/
Lillo and Antwerp, particularly Fort 1
Henry. and another isattery„ which, 1 beh
erected 'before that time.

Visit your Ltirdahip'e opinion, that
sion of the Tate de Flandre, opposite to
would have been necimsnry to the acrom
of those objects ?—Not aleadntely ; but
bend, that if the town of Antwerp, and
of Antwerp, had heed got pc-se...ion of at
it could only have been by vs siege, an
hcnd,•in order to hare performed the slew,
fully, we mast hare been in posae•air
banks of the river; that the place niu•t
completely ilivested, and probably ar II
hod posseiiimi of the Tote de Flambe;
were in possession of the town and Clinta
that, it was not nece•sary to have posses.
obtain prove.•ioo of I he enemy's Are.
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the l9th of August, that Antwerp .101, f
in n slate of defence eery dfferinit fr••n'
been repretentid before the is4i.iitg of tl
lion, will i our Lord,hap state to what 11,4
consisted ?-4 andersiood that the wort
warp ha I been repaired, end were in a
of defence ; that guile were In iuntril of
parts, end th•lt water had been let into

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