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HOUSI OP LORDS. TUCSDA Aucu44 4.

In the appeal cause, M.. 7 v. Whartow, jadraent
was postponed until Friday next
Mr. Hebhouse, and a deputation from tie Com-
mons, brought up the Malta Trade Bill, and a num-
ber of Private Bills, which were respedively read a
first time. _

.....
Lewd FrOLLAND presented a Petition from the
Merchants and. Inhabitants of Liverpool, against
the East India Bond Bill. His L •rdship observed,
that this Petition was signed by sixteen punched
most respectable persons; and, of v-irae, *as justly
eatitled to the hest consideration of their ler
A• this period of the Session it could hardly he ex-
reAed that a selsieß of such irn 'finance could be
gas, itro ; but, in another place to which it was
hardly regular to allude, it w .s understood that the
affairs of the East India Company were to be
brought before the most serious eonsidwatien of
Parliament early in the next Session ; he should
tberefwe content himself. for the present, with
moving, that the Phtitlon do Yee en the ('able."
The LORD CIIANCELLOIt alluded to certain
informalitie. ir• the Petition. which, in his opinion.
precluded its reception. The signatures were rot '
affixed in the proper form to the Petition, and there-
fore it was impossible to pe,init it to b • laid upon
the Table of the House. —lt was not received
Upon the order of the day for the second read'ng
of the Bill for restrißing the Grant of Offices in
Reversin• eing read,
Lord ARDEN, in a very low tent of voice, de-
clared his full conviaion, tLat it was an uscaHed tor
I and uenecessary entrenchment up-o 'ye just prtro..
vtives of t* Crown. He could rut for te- the
l..tecolletction of the circumstances upon whirr ills
Bill was originally founded. He could net bat bear
in mind, that an noportunity was taken to force
upon the co-sideration of Parliament, a measure
which was not adequate to the ebjett which it was
proposed to meet. at the same time that it unneces-
sarily infringed upon the admitted and constitu-
tional nremgative of his Sovereign. He was awas,
that under an improper view of the caw, the cur.
doff be then pursued might be utiporular, but he
was still conscientiously determined to persevere,
and take the swse of the House upon the further
proms, of the Bill.
Earl GRO'VENOR met the ohjeainns of the
Noble Lord with great perspicuity of argoment and
observatirn He was astonished, that at such a
period of the Sessi,m, at a moment when the
public mind demanded the most impattial
into the state of the public expenditure. and into
the most expeditious means of reform. that such an
apposition should be given to a Bill recommended
by the general sentiment of the country, and by the
unanimous ass-nt of the other House of Parliament.
%Yids his Nohle Friend (Lord Arden) he differed.
hi* curb, that because the burdens of the people
were diminished. therefore the prerogatives of the
Crown were infringed. He was prepared to pr me,
that great and incalculable dialdeantage to the
public accrued from ranting offices in rev •-sion.
rhe remuneration winch was it.tended her services
actually performed. for valuable benefit to the
public weal, was besttmed too often upon those
who had no claim upon the nation's boutty,
upon children, relatives, and ministerial depend-
ent:; and hence, an adJiinnal expense was hi-
cursed, when the whole of those offices. which

onglit to he reserved for services aftually perfumed,
were improperly bestowed, and the country was
obliged to reward with pensions, the men who ha
the strongest pretensions to the gra .ts, which,
throughout a variety of reversions, were entailed
upon others. Beside', it rendered the ueeeviity of
prolorging sinecure offices, almost permanent. He
put it to the House, whether this was the moment
to aJhere to such an unjustifiable system ? Was it
at the time when the heart and hand of -very man
were wanting for the public defence, wet their
Lordship• would rejed a Bill, upon which the pez-
ple were decided, and which. in its operation and
example. must go to diminish the burdens of the
country?
The Earl of LAUDERDALE rose, to declare
his astonihment at the opposition given to the Bill.
But be was more astonished at seeing every Mem-
ber of the present Cabuiet, in that House. absenting
himself from the consideration et a measure, to
which an apparent Ministerial support was given,
to which no previous objeittioo !lad been made, and
which was recurninended by tie Speeches from We
Throne, both at the termination of the last Session
of Parliament and at the opening of the present.
bid the King's Ministers shrink from their duty
Were they afraid to incur the responsibility of re-
jetting the present measure; or, not having the
courage to se up to their wishes, and to defend us
Parliament their designs, they dastardly left to a
certain description of their connexions, the odious
opposition to a measure, which had, in the other
House of Parliament, received. et least, the tacit as-
sent of their colleagues is office, and to which no
man, twenty-four hours ago, could, with any
rounds of confidence, have presumed an hostility.
he Noble Lurd (Arden) has alluded to die man-
ner in which this Bill originated : to this be should
say, that there never was a legislative measure in-
troduced to the consideration of Parliament, that
so loudly called for the admiration of Ektlisfnen,
or was more entitled to the respect Of their Lord-

ships.
Lord MELVILLE admitted, that there was one
point, and cooly one, in which be agreed with the
Gentleman who spoke lan, namely, &at the
tire who were employed in the service it their So-
vereign, and enjoyed his coofidesce, ought to be
present to defend has :iglus from unst neeroaeh-
meets. The power of the Crown he would ever
preserve ; and in the present susian.e. whatever us-
popularity might enacts, be would still amino, to
defend the lawful prerogatives ut the Crows. (hey

IVFDNE.-1),IY, ALAASI .5, 1807.

Contents .
Nen Coutemts

were sandioned by the whole history of this coun-
try. The condue of Parliament, under the best and
wisest of our Sovereigns, admired the validity of
not interfering with this salutary pruiciole. It was
said of our great deliverer, King William. that
upon an occasion when he tel himself net civilly
dealt with, he contented, that amidst all forms of
Government, whether of democracy, or of the aris-
tocratic form, there was nothing so bad as a mired
Government ; where the Monarch was 1,• • •
out the means of patronage, negleded and defci,e—
less. The Noble Lord d, nied Cie the present Bill
diminished, in tae least degree, tire burdens of the
people, whilst it trenched upon the just influence
of the Crown. Much had been said of the critical
state of the time,. H. denied that any cause exist-
ed for curbing the lan fol preeencions of the Crown.
It was indecorous to tell Cie vie t ms, aged, aid
adored Monarch. who filled the Coro ia of this coun-
try, that a wanton outrage should be unnecessarily
made upon his power and inflia:nce. Toe Noble
Lord cooeluded by asserting, that it was his opioion
to take the sense of the House upon this measure ;
wtich he was determined. under every odium, to
oppose in every stage.
Lord HOLLAND gave full credit to the manly
manner in which the Noble Viscount (
supported the view of the snbjed, as it appeared to
him. It was a striking contrast to the condud of
those Ministers wim had given the measure a 'anvi-
-1 out support, and who now abandoned it, Ma twil-
-1 ner the most unprecedented in the history of Parlia-
ment, and t'w most pitiful to their charafters as
public men. Was it nothing to declare to the Coun-
try, that the very measure which it fancied as a pre-
liminery step to ulterior examination and reform,
was, without toe slightest previent, intimation, op-
p wed by the adherents of a Ministry, who, in the
speech put by them into the mouth of the /love-
re .en. had strenuously recommended the adoption
or , s Identical measete t H the opposition was
writ wounded. there could he no o'sjedion to agree
in the motion which he would make for adjourning
the d'scu,sion, on the second reading of the Bill,
until to-morrow. The Noble Lord then moved
the adjournment: _ _

The.l...irl of LAUDERDALE read extraes from
the King's smogs, both at the conclusion of the
last Parliament, and at the opening of the
present Session, together with the votes of the
House of Commons, when Mr. Bankes, as
Chairman of the Committee of Finance, b7wight in
the present Bill. He also contended :.:s' this was
the only measure t» t% bids the K;og's speech could
refer, inasmuch es it was impossible for Cie Crown
to he acquainted with any A& of that Committee,
save through the votes of either House of Paths-
Mitt.

Lord mi:LyILLE and Earl GROSVENOR
mutually explained.
Earl SELKIRK considered the present Bill only
as a commencement in removing the existing oh.
stru!tion Th• public were of the same opinion ;
and, ineretore. be protested against an of position to
the. which the coun:ry did, and had a right t • ex-
Pea
Lord BO RINGDON observed, that he differed
with relu2aiice from those frifmds, with whim)
he was, on most oczasions, happy to coincide ; but
he cornsidered cie opposition to the present Bill,
so ree imrnentied by speeches from the Throne,
and by tie as,ent of the House of Commons, a
meat ungracious ael, and calculated t.i excite the
disgust of the pc.ple.
Upon the veto°, being put, strangers were
ordered to withdraw; but we learned that the
question of adjournment was negatived, and that
upon A lamina for reading the bill a second time
this day three months, a division toot place, and
the numbere were :

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M jerky arie.t the 881 6
After some routine business the House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

A message from the Lords announced their Lord-
ships' assent to the Frogmore Lands Bill, the Woel.
len Manotaaur rs' Bill, the Coffee Ware'lousing
Bill, the British Fishery, and the Windsor Forest
B lls.
The Consolidated Fond Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.

Ihe For.,gn Goods Bill was read a third time
and passed.
Mr. Huiltisson brought in a Bill to permit Mer-
chants to purchase warehouses upon legal quays.
Read a first, and ordered to be read a 5000114.1 time
to-morrow.

The Military Canal Bill was reported ; and upon
this occasion a Member proposed, the some com-
pensation should be given to persons i• jured by the
Canal passing through their lands; but not hiving
any Petition to present, or Clause made out, be was
told by the SPEAKER that he might prop..m
Clause fee that purpose upon the thud reading.
The Report of the Committee of Siapply sira
brought up, and Bills ordered to be brought in con-
formably to the resolutions thereof.
The Swedish Herring., the Silk Duty. and the
Irish Spirit Drawback Suspension Hillis were
severally reported, gla ordered to be read a third
time.

The West India !Larkin Bill was committed, and
ordered to be reported t.i.morrow.
Toe Philanthropic Annuity Institution Bill was
read a third time and pas.ed.
The Malta Trad: 8,1 l was committed. In
the Committee Mr. ROSE moved. as a Resolution.
" To pun the same b iu.ty upon Irish Linens ex-
ported to Malta or Gibraltar. as is giante,l upon
English Limas szported."—Report to be received
to-morrow.

Notice was given of a motion for to tao.•ow foe
the porpooeseent of the Sakai& FleAicts Petition.
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rArtocHIAL SCHOOLS BILL.
Oa the Order of the Day iwing read for taking
the Report of this Rill into father consideration,
Mr. IIAITIF.3 GIDDY spoke aga;nst the prir.ciple
of the Bill, )tit in a manner not very audible to the
gallery. He seemed to think the mode proposed by
it of giving instruiion to the poorer orders of the
.I,m ty, would t-nd to make people become co-
lt lei..:,s, and encourage 'editions combinations and
practices.
Mr. WILLIAM SMITH defended the principle
of i-struning all cl of society. and tf. .ught
that those who opposed it must necessarily fsutid
th,ir Arguments upon mistake. Selitiun. it it was
at all to he propagated or encouraged by int:ruc-
tian or general knowledge, was much more likely
t•• tie sr, by its being communicated by the ear.
than it world he whea conveyed by the eye. It
appeared to him that one ill intentioned man, dis-
posed to propagate sedition. might do intin•iely
more mischief, by inflaming the passions of the peo-
ple by sedition. harangues, than could be done by
their reading the most infleasetasoeyeedgeeditioue
pamphlets ; and it was surely much better to
counteraa seditious pamphlets. by their being able
to read others of a contrary tendency, than to hire
men to make speeches, so as to put down the effea
of seditious harangues. If the Government of a
country were afraid of making the people en-
lightened and well-informed, he really diu tit see
, hew they could possibly stop short of wishing that
they (the people) had no understandi..gs at all.
For what reason were we to supp we that all
pamphlets were to have a dangerous tendency f
What arguments could be used to thew that the
reading of pamphlets would encourage theft, pro.
a rte sedition, or tend to a mispeading of the SOY*
pan ? He knew of no such pamphlets being in
ex:stence. Was it not ran er more probable that
all these evils would arise from the lower orders of
the people spending their time in public-basses.
where neither reading nor writiag was to be &until
• Nothing bad could le appshended Erode reading
'and writing being geneidly ISseemicated amongst
all classes of society; because they would prove
incentives to • iie, rather than to vice. Upou toe
whole, he pro,. ss..l himself a friend to the props.
gation of learning amongst the poor ; and there•
fore hoped that the report would be taken into
further consideration, and that the Bill would ;meet
with no further opposition.
The question being again put from the Chair. it
was agreed t• ; and the House accordingly pro.
ceeded to discuss the several amendments that
had already been made, and to hear the farther
improvements and alterations that should be pre.
povd.
Mr. POLE CAREW objedtd to the clause rela•
tire to the purchasing, hiring, err crating buildings
for the purpose of giving the requisite sustrudion.
He had been told that the Poor's Rates were Wei-
, mately to he lowered. by enlightening the lower
orders of the people; but he was convinced It would
have quite a contrary elk& and teed to nothing
more than raising the Poor's Rates. and afording
them an education beyond what their situations in
lite required. That education was certainly best
which was nearest adapted te the particular sphere
of each individual. Institutions for education were
increasing daily, and he saw no occasion ter increas-
ing their number; the mote especially as be thought
small schools were more desirable than large ones ;
because, in the latter, immorality was more likely
to he imbibed than morality and virtue. for these.
and other reasons, he proposed to leave out the
words, ' Empowermg Magistrates to rarilsase or
hire any buildings or lands whereupon to mod Wilds
ings for the purpose of Schools."
Mr. WHITBREAD combated the arguments
need in support of this Amendment, as being toteisy
destitute of foundation, and such as had already
been refuted by every argument used upon the sub-
jed, either in that House or in any Work that had
been written upon it. It was an amendment which
went absolutely to render the whole Bill inefelual.
Wnile the dangers of a refined education were talked
of, Gentlemen did not seem to advert, that um
education proposed by this Bill was the simple
education of reading and writing. Whatever
be the sense of the House upon this Amendment.
he should own he was anxious such a Bill should
pass under legislative authority, to show that Parli-
ament had decided that education was a good thing
to be given, a proper thing to be o'itai..ed. It
was a mistake for some M. mhers to suppose that
this was a compulsory me.••, me. Would the Hon.
Gentleman who recommeoded small schools in pre-
ference to large ones, propose to have 20 small
schools instead of one large school, by way of limit-
ing the eaneases of the undertaking ? He bad
steed, and he would still state, that it was his opi-
. on it would be better to exalt the chareCter of the
labourer so as to make him independent of his fellow.
creatures for his livelihood, mud this WAS the mode
uninvocely to reduce the Poor's Rates. But whether
there w TO Pones Rates or not, he should ever con-
tend that the instruftion of the poor would tie good.
and would be one of the greatest boons their coun-
try could bestow upon them. When this subject was
talked of, he could net help having Scotland always
in his mind. IVhat he had read of that country.
and the inhabitants thereof, tended strongly to cow

firm him in the truth of what he had heard trawl
in that House concerning them. He had the art' •
rity of the ;Ate Lord Advocate of Scotfana to beat
him out to the asseroon. that oati io.o educe' had
s• 1 that country p odueed the most ben•F
qoences. He might refer those member'
of a different opinion upon t tis palm.
o that Learned Lord, deiivered duri,

Parliament. They w there find ve)
*rigout staiteot ScotlAnd, previous to I
derived from a general sed syst, male
strattoo It described the schoolosasti
pan of the Visited N±A clOllllllOl

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education had
nwficial conse-
bows who were
to
to th- Iseecith tr t
what was tl •
benefits bong
: plan of m-
asters of that

rt. of men, who haJ *lied mach to the }nrour of
Oeir country. His chief wish wsi to have the bene-
ficial effetts of a general system of instrult.on Ac-
knoerledgeJ as a ..eteiminel principle by Parlia-

After seine farther conversation, this amendment
was rejeitled without a slivi.ion.
Mr. DAVIES GIDDY next propc'ed a clause.
confer' mg s stne additional powers upon the Goa:-
dians, Direaors, or Trustees, in the management ui
the l'oor's Rates, which was agreed to.
Mr. MORRIS said, he did not so much objeEl to
the children of the poor being educated, as he did to
the expense of such education being defrayed by
the Legislature out of the l'am's Rates. With re-
'pea to the allusion to Scotland, lie never meant to
deny that the chara&er of the Scotch itroie tr ,in
the superiority of their education ; but ha arp,nt.l,
that is was not sn much derived out of the Pat,.
chid Finds. as from volontary contributions. He
slitiold propose a clause, making it lawful for
Chiochwardens and Overseers ut parishes to have
r.e power of controuliag the expenses. and super-
., ending the voluntary contributions of such
...I, as *ere already established, and to bestow
, out of the money raised for relief of the
iso r, t such establishments, a sum not ex-
c. e three pence in the pound.
louse, according to hnm, went into a Corn-
s.. • • clause, and the Report was broua,l.t
tz;. • - .r. Hobliouse. and agreed to. The clause
wa, I t•ti addld As a I hiet to the Bill.

Mr. POLIf.. • KEW Bull argued, that notwith-
stxidi-g the ref er,•ree had been made to
Szoilaod, morality dliendeti upon other circum-
stances than mere re..iiag a.d writing. Upon as
gond grounds it might 'le sod, that tenting and
clawing would be equally prop, r to he Laugh:, as
tart' w .ul.l tend to open the chest, by giving • due
portion of exerci,e t. the '.ower urdel, u 1 the people.
W.iatever the Hm. Gentreinan opp9site (Mr. Whit-
bread; coald argue u,son this tare, he had nu
doubt of being aole to defeat tam in his argoice as,
either in that House 0: Many other place. Ile co;.-
eluded with proposing, that there should be left out
of the previous clause, which comb, wed the Pream-
ble of the Bill, the following wards---.. ‘Yhereas, it
has been found, that the Lii!ruaton of Youth tenth
most materially to tie Culaveion of Morality and
Religion, of which we have had already convincing
Proofs in the Inhabitants of that Part of the United
Yrngdom called Scotland."
Mr. WINDHAM, from the Ministerial side of
the House, supported this proposal. He could not
think that the charater of the people of Scotland
originated from their writing and reading ; for he
should rather say, that their readi. j and writing
came from their general dispositioo and charader.
:herelora could not see why ibis could be an ad.
visable part of the preamble. Upon the general
principle of the Bill, he was still of opinion, by it
there might probably be as much bad, as there
could be of good instruCtion given to the lower or-
der: '•f the people.
Pl WHITBREAD stated, that in Hs opinion
tkc p•-amble contained every thing that was essen-
tial t•. t - r•ii pates of the Bill, because he should
still r at ,ia what even his Right Hnn. Friend
( 'fr. Windham), could not ri•fute, that
iar Ill:11 t • Li, the prom !tort of rn•oality and
!hal li.i iu I 4.1 •ntl,m In had express d
a aml.: is t-. tie It ~1 t tl•at w 1.11.1 he
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hi.n,iV), to tin! th.i• ..1 a tin-id s., e.i . t:;l.•nd as
h;•• (11r Windham's), f,-re •Id be a speck so
(lark as rh a which h:id ern:ced upon this OCCA.
h•••••.zig •ncl. A prtsils .11:a;;.1 against h m.
he could not help dr:end,ng hiais.A upon p,t.it: i-
vies which lie never give
t..:.;ng the stnse of the !tins,. It they
n,f know that that is ;;'.'t H-in!...it able G. ntlcnian
lists o.e present ag• , Cory would he apt to ima-
gine him us be as i;•.,rnii: ant a, Jack Cade, who. like
Satan rebuking Sin, ha t xi•rcs.ed
that Li-rd Sty, who was impeached and led :n rig -
eution, was guilty of corrupting the youth of the
kingdom by piint n 4. It 1151141 to hear of TA.
thernaticians declaiming against mathematics, and
of mariners speaking against their own knowledge
of navigation, and so it was w th tither Learned
Men, for here was the Right Honourable G,r.-
rtleman erursh•.g down to that House every
.S-ssioti of Parliament, to speak against knowledge.
1' his (Mr. Watislhaitel general charafter was not
thoroughly known, he might be thought to be a
Mop .lizer of knowledge. This recalled to his
r..colle.gion that part of the human fact whom the

i.:ht I lon (Irtmrleman, with some others, was fir
c-..migning Inrverlastir.g ignorance; but who, during
fait bl••• 1011 of Parliament, were pot into as mutt in
wherein knowledge might now be .tdvantagrou,l7
ditEmed amongst thrm. rhere was no part of the
hiima race t,r wl he (Mr. Whi:brea 9 would
tint n'e:t trot! rto aff..rd knowledge.as it WAS the spring
of truth. and tended to diffuse human 'aappiness.
Who .nit of penril.:. he would wish to know, would
th t ,t i It.nnurable Gehtlrman hare to defend
? Would !:e bete them to he men re
dace 1 t•t ...tare of brutal tgnorsoce, ftr the pm po.e.
of r•wei : t 0..! t em in E.!. inmictr he might t ank
ptnpv: \. t eso, he (sle W. I.'vr,ad) si.ould
is r i,ersi•t ui 41.-••11 g. titre not b136:11 as ought to
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dont ine meant to be inceicatt!el from the Pefyinning
ft* the end of it. If Parliament rejeard the base
of such a measure. they had better say they
were wishing to do away the superstrudgre
altogether. With regard to the ref.renee which
had been made to Scotland, he should say. that it
they ret.i.ed to acknowledge the stiperiorify of the
Scotch, they were ref using to acknowle.:ge whit
they must know to be the tad, and what they had
tormerls a .ktlOWledged t> be the destraisie touting
upon which this part of the coitatry be
placed. As to the Right Han. Gentlem .I.'s alle-
gation, that the chataner of the Scatch had pro-
duced their reading and writing, acd not their read-
ing and writing teem eh trader. he should r.fer hint
to what had been written by a great and celehrat.d
author, one of their own c•untrsni-n. The ch t-
rader giv.oi of them was, that they were ntigintlly
A set of wandeting, ignorant, and immoral begg irs,
but that from the time schools were estalikh.:J,
their charaft.r ettoan rapidly to change. It was
acknowledged, t.i .t that change as wholly
w•onght by their Laving been first taught reading
and writing Pa:Lament had already issued laws
for increasing t e stipend of the Scottish sewn:-
motet., knowing the advantages that had been
derived trt•nt their exertions for the public good;
and. theiefore, they ought not now t hesitate
making a similar acknowledgment of so promi-
nent and conspicuous a precedent for enading a
new law upon such A subjeft. Upon these grounds,
he should persist in the propriety of the preamble
standing as it now did.
Si: r. said, he had heard the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread). with a considerable
deal of astoatthment, when he stated that it he de-
serted this part ot the preamble, he should be de-
serting the shade sup.•rstrufhtre of the Bull. As to
Scatland, he should ask him, had the House had
any proof to ascertain that such was the lag, as
alleged in that preamble ? Had there bean any
Corninittea appointed, or was there any now to be
appinied t Investigate this matter, and to convince
the Hone of the proprety of adopting such a
clause ? Ile would acknowledge that any proof a;
set adduced wa. by no means convincing to him.
Flue Right Hon. Gent behind him (Mr. Windham),
di i not appear to ohjed so much to the principle
of giving instrußion to the people, as to the mode
ofd ing so. Upon this sullied he could say, that
instrudion was gaining ground by very rapid strides
through the country. perhaps indeed tut• rapidly.
WAS the Jay labourer, he would ask, happier for
bra g inatrueted in reading and writing ? Oid the
House nut recoiled the Mutiny at the Nore? Ile'
mgh. venture to state, from toe information of an
Honeu able Admiral, that upon that occasion the
mutineers hid daily and nightly meetings on board
of the ships ; at n:uich meetin.ys they employed
themselves in reading the newspapers and other
publications; and that tnia tended much to the con-
sequences which ensued. "We are not," said Sir
Thomas, s• Ade, rse to instruding the people, but
there is a is lass, and also as event, to which their
education ought to be carritd One man out
of ten migh:, perhaps, be thought enough to be
well informed. My humhle opiii:un is, that all
the applic : that Can be mad • of this Bill,
will b.., that it will lie as a dead letter upon the Sta.
lute Hoak, and not one parish out of fily will ever
aft upon it. Certainly Scotland does form an ex-
ception, with respeft to a system of education. but
it can bear no analogy to the education of the
Enrlansl - Scotch are a people that
J . not app.. ir to be educated fir ternaining at
ti one. they ne•ng in general inclined to move be-
y niu couistiy. rhea education would ren-
de.r them tot .ity du smntentei„ it they did tiot tr oriel
sato other c.•uu'ro-s It th y remain, din their
...n coil try, they would become exttemely
says:ie.; s.irl these SqUAIIOII.

Mr. MA....Le-OD observed, that while he had
! ewe Right HAI). gentleman (Mr. Witla..4:ll)
I.IAI :14 thar td- thought the vent condua ul the
pr 11!... Or Sr., 1 And piocresied. entirely Irom their
to!lera! eIIAY r. and another Hon. Gentleman
%Ir. Whi• id) arguing that it orininated from
:nor ,:e eral g Aid iducalion, he WAS of opinion,
hat h th ot ',ens m gh, be said to be right. The
,-.. 'tits in Seitimd 'sere like other schools, except
that toe masters had a salary fixed by the Legishi-
'WO. I had a masivrerra and a rai,iervres ot sti-
pend, which 7.1 s paid them by the farmers and the
rtetitars. I'Le:e were no parish rates in Scot-
Lind ; ..tit re:l%l in, he might 'emote to say, was
the very r ,wAlliton of the Scotch instruc'liou
13.-:ore they sire taug'it to write, they were com-
p:. tely tang .t to rc.td their Bible. It was not,
however, ev•ay person who was edoceed, that nie-
ce •de tin hi.: hut he never could conceive, after
th y so grod:-.)1,d in religious even to
whir to re..eat th.,r lithlr,, that tarty teading
joaitial t ) then'. The bt..t).,ls
were, in et d, examined every yva- by the Nit-
ulster s et the 1..:11,:tch, or by the lieritors. He
th ,sight that in Er.gland the Bishops nt Cie Diocese
Id appoin• A certain number of Clerpyinen to
examine th: sch.sols, and to watch that religion
ha the far t and the last th•ng that is tatiAtit
there. Ile spoke thus from hi. own ktioalcdge
in these matier., he having received most of his
education in rrii• country, in schools where be found
very little attention p nil to teligion. lie therefore
was the more convinced that the .proposed edu-
cation ought to he condialed under the guidance of
the Clergy of the established Church, as it is in Scot-
land. He sh •uld refrain from giving any opinion
as to the preamble of the all, At he thuug:it that
toot) of the Honourable Gentlemen were right, it
been, both the character and the education that
gave to the Scotch their roleral good cenduff, and
their general information which raised them to re.
speßable situ shuns in life, and rendered them useful
members of society.
Mr. ROSE said, he could not help remarking
upon the expressions which had fallen from the Hon.
Baronet behind him (Sir Thos. 'ninon), as to its
beiig education that was likely to produce sedition.
He confessed that he was quite contrary opinion,
to produce that
said, that he
to promote two-
ions spirit which
who cuold read,
Best.

•••••••;•••

at Ireat;ect the send/Levi that hat fillet ftnnt the
Hon. Ilsionet, bot, at the same tl:ne• notwithstand-
ing his sitrinise. he must conless that he. heard him
v: to some degree of p!eastire, as his manner of
so • tktrig in isle him convinced, he (S;r l'ho arts Tor-
t,) was nut tit him ow with his own "pi:lions,
w::ile he wi:hei to impose them upon relicts. 1‘ Yea
he tvr room c on: tilo ik little i..ta the con-
sequence likely to suite trout th se primipltss he
hat hid d be iv inld tied th be h-td itsed such
expresso :s to clhers. :Men he was out of humour
with awns at home. If we once laid don n the
ptiociele, that in :toy country or state of society.
it w's dangerous to disseminate knowledge,
lest persons should be misled by the use of
their natural faculties, he knnv not where we
could stop. Being created of the sync dust with
the bmtes that perish, we could alone discover t:ur
superiority by our moral excellence. vu in I, and
reasmable faculties. If it be true that the privileges
of thi British Constitution, conttouled by law, af-
forded the people of this country no advantage,
but nerely led to an abuse of their natural taco'.
ties, they had better give up that Constitution
whit} occasioned such a 'sacrifice. He ccuid
not tut feel that the whole of the proposed
preamble to this am was most important, artd there-
fore be was in.,+t anxious to preserve it. Alter
whit nod already passed upon the subjea, what
costa be said, but that they had formerly acknow-
ledged the consequences of similar measures, but
sere now disposed to deny them ? It would be say-
ing, that they did not consider the instruaion set
youth intending to morality and virtue. The Hon.
Gentleman who had spoken of Religion, might
perhaps think it would be better to add to the pre-
:on:4 the words " rebsioss instructlla." It woulst
certaitly improve it, by rendering the meaning of
the Alt still less ambiguous, but to strike out any
sit the words would give him very great pain. As
to the latter part of the clause, acknowledging the
cotiviacing proofs we had had of the stiperiortty of
toe fsctritish education, and its benefic•al conse-
quences, he thought that every thing tended fully
and amply to warrant them in making such an
ackno eledgment in such an a& of Ptliament.
We find (said :sir. Wilherlorce), the inhabitants of
that part of toe United Kingdom called Scotland,
a sup. riot race of brings, men of superior taleuts,
and disposed to apply them to their natural use, •issi
by the .e talentv to enable themselves tot use in general
to the highest situations of life. Every thing. indeed,
conduced to aff trd us teasod to insert such a clause
as this int. the all now before us. We formerly
declared, that the Parish Schoolmasters of Scot.
land were a useful body of men, and •whose labours
had been of essential importance to the public we!-
tare. 1 wocli ask, how was this service rendeted ?
By their exertions, in makiug their fellow creatures
becom- useful members of society. It both the
lion. Gentlemen. who have differed so widely upon
this particular topic, be sight, as another Hon.
Member has stated, how, or upon what grounds,
can we withhold that declaration which we owe to
the inhabitants of that country ? It is to operate
as a precedent of what we mean to afford to
this other part of the Island. It is an acknowledg-
ment which in every point of view the inhabitants.
of that part of the United Kingdom hate a right to
expert from us, and it will be an eus•ouragement to
the inhabitants of bitglaiid to know that we have
already had experience of the beneficial consequences
which a system of education, such as that we are
proposing to them. has already been produaivc of.
it is a measure which in fae we owe to Scotland, as
having been the means of suggesting it by the: pre-
cedent which its inhabitants have sfforded. He
was sure that to give instruaion to the lower orders
of the community, would be advancing them to
honour and to happiness.
Mr. DAVIES GIDDY said, lie did not believe
that the dtfference betwixt the lower orders in Scot-
land and Ire! end, was owing so the early education
communicated to the Scotch, and to the ignora ice
of the Irish, for he ha I been informed, that in the
West of Ireland, where the greatest disaffection had
shewn itself, almost eval chill was taught to read.
Mr. LOCK HART rem irked, that the preamble
of the Bill did not point out any particular mode of
instruaion. He w.ts of opinion. that in a country
like this, where there was the liberty of the press,
and where the mind of the poor man was capable- of
imbibing wrong impressions of religion and poli-
tics, it !weenie the duty of the Legislature to give
the poor child the best chance of his mind re-
ceiving a right bias. by communicating to flu-it
early religious instruaion ; and he also thought
that the children of the poor had a right to look
up to society fur the ben-fit of instretton. ; but if,
as some Gentlemen seemed to obje.ll, reading
and writing tend.td its make the children of the poor
idle and discontented ssith their sinsation, wts it not
eves, in that case po•siole to narrow their education
to oral inoruhion

Mr. Di 1.1.0 NT bdievel that early irbtruZlinn
WAS of hew& tt) the army, At Prraq.ls rally in
struSteJ were induced to enter the army with holies
of advancement.

Mr. &MAT VAN observed, that the question
seemed to reduze itself to this. whether ignorance
kaiawledge were preferable ? But how could
there be any dispute on such a point ? He could see
no reason why the higher orders should have a
monopoly of knowledge ; not that he thoaght even
they had too great a share of it. HI sincerely be-
hewed that the people of Scotland had Cie advan-
tage in point at knowl,dge. both in phills.iphy and
in the military profession, and that her sch.iols had
contributed to her excellence. With respea to
arty instriiftion to be communicated to the young
in Ireland, it would be wise in Government to look
Is use plans of education ailipted in Scotland. Not
that he would by any means allow Ireland
to be an ignorant country. In the South of
Ireland, particularly, there was a great passion
for leuerbs nor did he believe that the dis-
turbances which had arisen in that country were
to be attributed to Ignorance. but the cause nas
greatly owing to Ireland's being worse governed
than Scotland. There were certain points of in-
struCtion which would materially better the condi-
tion of the poor us Ireland, and promote in them
civilisation and gond morals. He approved of the
parable of the Bin as it now stood. He had
beard that the late Administration bad formed a
plan of education for Ireland, and he hoped that
else email Government would net I/MIA

Mr. MACI...gOD expllined.
Mr. POLE C.A W wired," that the word' fe:
ligions' be added in the preamble immediately h..
tore the word • inttrultion.' " :
Mr.WHI i'Bh(EAU Mid.hisintention was m lot
ro t..a:lt tors .r children of the pa sr vs, ro II a A wilt* r
itidoubtedly retigi, iiis instruliou w ut:d 4rcorrip4iit
these t but he should objed t.l the loser•,on of !lif
trligi•ros" ra the preatnYe of At.? ail, Ise if
so. it would a;,pe.tr AS it VAS were the tomedii•s
&ie.', of t:te 1141, which was riot the C 4,0: ha
!mire I. therefore, that this amendment wiuld
w:th 'fawn. ar it would tend to convey a Li,.
/yr....it'll to the wl-nie rne.isore.
Mr. W tP.: it FJ101.; said, in his mini to
th! !-t,'ra ttli.l of h'ldrat, and of their relig,.,j,
iii or ttli was on' 4.1.1 the *AMC tiling, Lir 0,1•
the in st hooki t iey were generally Seught to ',pi
was the New re:tarn..nr. When the wor.l r, rr4
W 44 moved to he added in the preamble,
enondled whir instredion, he knew not how to or
jet to itainserCon.

Mr, ti I t'3KEAD proposed the clause to fen
thus, s, wbereaa the iostruEtion of youth tends t, pr
mote riligion, mo-als, and virtue, and to the form .
tinn of g sod member, of s Iciety."
Mr. SIIERIJ.Av said. if the words .'red;
instruCtion" were admitted in the preamble of le!
Bill. as meaning instruCtion in the established and
Protestrat R-ligion of the country, it would tend
exclude the children. of Roman Catholics and Ore
aenters from the benefit of reading and writing.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEclait
proposed, that the swords hhould be rigAt norm..
mos" tends to promote, &c. for he observed thoe
might be b 4d as well as good instru&ion.
Phis amen (meta being agrs iti to, the weeds in
the preamble stand thus, whereas right eqtrue-
tion tends to the promotion of religion, morality,
and virtue. and to the formation of goad members
of society."

Mr. VOLE CAREW moved, " That the wot4s
follow:ng, vs. sit which we have coneinc!n;
prooft in the Lister kingdom of ScotLtud,' should Fs
left nut."

M•. SHERIDAN also nbjelteti to theta
staiiJin:7 in becathe he did n, ,t km.o
th it .i...tland Alf 'Med such convincing proofs.
A Jiv;.i.os hero took place. when Mr. CAiew's
notion was negatived, being—

N.Ol
Ayes

Majorit .
On our re—entering the Gallery, we found Mr.
WI LB:AIR/RCP. moving a clause to this effe:l-.
to give .the superiotendance of these Parociiil
Schools to the Ministers of the Parishes. lets
amendment, after some objeaion, was withdraen.
The preamble being goat through, the Bill, an't
t'ie amendments, was ordered to be engrossed; a
on the motion being put for the Bill being reads
third time on Thursday next,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUIA
proposed, that the Bill, with the am mil neat,.
.lanuld he printed, so that it might go thriio nit
House in its most amended state ; aid as he doobtel
whether the Bill could pass through the House of
Lords at this advanced period of the Session, and
in the Absence of the Prelates, whose presence an.%
sentiments would be desired On such a subject. he
subirnted whether it would not be most advantage•
nus that the Bill should be dropped in that Hoes:,
is order to be taken up with advantage in the nett
Session, rather than it should be carried to me
Lords, and lost there f
Mr. WHI rim FAD said, that since the Bill, as
it no.v stood, made it not compulsory, bet mill
optional in parishes to provide the means of educe'
tion for the poor, he could see no reason for deer•
ring it to ;toot, ier session; and indeed he should led
sorry, it any young persons should lose the benerit
of education, even for one year; nor Jid he see
Any occasion for reprinting the Bill, as it contained
no mate' ial aim:ins:mans ; and even it the 11,1
should he lost in the Lords. for want of time, it
wotcd still tend to make a favourable imp ession oe
the Country, that it had passed through the Home
of Commons.
the CHANCELLOR of the EICHEQUEK
acquiesced, and the Hill was ordered to be read
third time on 'lbw sday next. if then engrossed.

ISSUE OF WRITS.
Mr. BARI-lAA rase, according to the notice he
had given, for the purpose 01 moving for leave to
bring in a 8111 for the better regulation and deltvcrf
01 WI t:s. He said, the House had lately seen Al
instance of the inconvenience and injury *thing
from the detentiln of Writs. There were tames
other scandalous abuses in the delivery of Wis.
which required t' be retfttlied. There wu an evil
arising from the influence which the Treasury fair
tessed, in the de:ivery of Writs in a manlier
was unfair an I unconstitutional. It had been cer
prafhce of the l'rea.ury to recommend the person i•
whom the Nlevsmger of the Great Seal should dt-
liver the Writs. and it must be denied that
Se.cretery of the Treasury would willingly forego
this privilege. A Treasury List, with an Otacer
of
the Treasury sent to superintend the recommends.
Lion, was a more flagrant case than the later:me:el
Hampshire, which had occajor
two, when the then Secretary of
a letter of reco:nmendation in'

friends. To cutred the evili

plans had been suggested ; thi
blessenger of the Great Seal sh,

int ) the hands of the As,,ent
tom mode would, he apprehends

too much to the disc:if-son of thi

not provide a remedy for the Cl.
he tnerefore proposed Mall, thAl

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the Great `.1e41 should deliver tl
the woe time to the Sccretai

who should give a
.receipt

that he $ wula be enjaineci to

the alb( MAID aJJresa J 10

the county to.vn. who Also shi

which s.auld be the Secretary

th.ch.trot t and then that the

county town should give ilnglit
ha Snaurs other. and that thi

poly should deia.►RJ the writs
•nd give him his discltirge for
five days time, from the sealing

come lato we &cud' of the biserf

remote pert. of the iblacd T
seettie ptLeoptitodeuf &livery,

tir i,erso.t uti 4r-•:: g. acre not such as ought to He confessed that he was quite of a coot
be e•otttstri •• h hin.,nriqe to k. Ht would as ignorance was much more likely to
have t! cm to be .n k tllctf duties, and disposition than general information.
thineh tap inns ti: to pini.:tm then); he Sir T. fUR FUN, in explanation,
h lee t: t m t,. ne m-n wt,, koew their rights, did consider education as Oat likely toaid
theletme n.o.t 6 :o maintain •hrm. fie had ralt.y, and had alluded to the sedition
linen ;rd to say ti us with in definite of the pre- had been di 'tweeted by persons whi
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