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secure one day to himself for the discussion Oa
the business.
Mr. Hcsittssow said, though he certaialy was
prepared to meet the question on Monday, with
.general arguments, he could not be so well pre-
pared to enter tutu particulars, us if the motion was
postponed till the papers were produced. As for
its being necessary to know all the items of the an-
nual expenditure, the reverse was the common
praictice, and the loan sae, usually, made early in
the Session.
Mr. WILBERFORCE, ou casting his eye over the
estimates, was surprised to find that an esti r....ate for
the New Dock at Northtleet was nut among them.
The question was put and carried.
EAST INDIA AFFAIRS.
Mr. CREVEV rl)*P, in pursuance of his notice, to
move fur three sets of papers on the subject of the
Midi's of India. As timi was a subject of ;;rest
im-
partance, it was hut lit he should state the object
of his motion. The tint set of papers for which he
should move, would be for the purpose of shelving
the nature and progress of those disturbance. ni the
Madras army. which had shaken the British em-
pire in India. From them it would appear, that
this was no mutiny of an ordinary nature, and
that the danger incurred was great. It was not by
the superiority of the Europeans that our empire
in India was preserved. The King's troop" did not
amouut In snare than 420,000 men, and ilia. Com-
pany had but three battalions. On the other leind,
there was an army a from 150 to 160 Mo nerve
troops raised soil recruited from those Governments.
which we had overturned and destroyed. lie feared
that :ill these couutties united in sentiments hostile
to the British. In such a situation as this, what
must have been their feelings, on beteg spectators
of the British officers iii array against the 3ritish
Government, and actually engaged 1.1 condiet ?
What mil they have thought, whew they saw the
'blood of the native troops stied in a quarrel of this
kind ? It was a miracle that oar Indian empire
withstood the shock—sabot-It a) terrible, that be
was informed the native Princes had to send emits.
series to the camp to seduee the soldiers Worn their
oflicers. He was astonished that the empi e survived
it, mid was sure rhat it must have shaken the opi-
nions both of the 'woole and native troop.; Lib res
wird to the British. The first set of pii,er•. as he
had said. would illustrate who was right and who
was wrong in this dreadful At prose it he
would give no opinion. The Government accused
the officers of euteriug into a combination. and
carrying matters to so dangerous .a length, that
they were compelled to interfere; arid, ou the
other hand, the officers denied all this, and ac-
cused the Governor. Sir George Birlow, of leaving.
fora year before they crowed iota thus combivatvn.
treated theta throughout with wanton iiisul•.—
The only opinion he ensild now give was, that
no provocation in the soldier could justify an ap.
peal to arms. The next sets of pliNtS would
move for, were connected with the .inn cv torts
of law at Mildew.. Here it was tweessaty fur
him to state a few facts, to Arse what has
totrss-
tion was no this part of the question. A few years
ago, whets the Carnatic was ceded to the company,
they took noon themselves the payment of the
Prince's debt.. To liquidate these, they resolved
la oat span the sum st fire an-dhoti*. to this coun-
try, by an act of the Howie of Commons, Coins
euissioners were appointed to inquire into the claims.
soil pay the money ; arid, last year. they had found
there were claims to the amount of So, instead of five
millions. 111 such a matter as thi., there were no
doubt many fictious demands. At Madras, a cer-
tain bo.ly, either from holditig honds,or forsome tab. r
reasomealling themselves t hobrmafide creditors of the
Nabah, prosecuted other claimants, in three differ-
ent actions, for conspiracy and perjury. In these
three trial., however, strange as it might snood in this
country, the Government took part, not with the
prosecutors, but against them, and fur the prose-
cuted ; and by their influence the questiou was de-
cided. The interference, too, was of an ojoiressive
kind : several of the prosecutors were removed front
their offi,,es. and sent hundreds of miles from Mi.
dr.'''. One person in particular, tin years of age,
who produced a certificate (rem hi. physician, to
prove that removal would be dangerous to hes heal b.
and asked the reason for his banishment. was de-
nied an answer, and seta to a place where, by his
death, in a fortnight, he confirmed the pliy saian'e
predictions. Nut content with this, Govermuent
had still further interfered, and, selecting certain
persons from the three Juries, by enfant these pro-
seentions were trier!, dealt with them as they had
dealt with the prosecutor., removing them from
Office, aria sending them away from Madras.
He did not mean to say that Government
might not hare been reduced to exercise tins
power; but it seemed so 'tromp- to men an this
country, that it was but fit to be inquired into.
He would therefore move for the prod nation of ci
pies of these trials; of the orders for the removal
of the persons; applications, fiiquiriag into the
causes thereof; and ether papers coulter trd with
the same. 'The Council of Madras consoled of
four persons, at the head of wham was Sir G. Barlow.
Those who dissented from him, were, by law, to state
their reasons in minutes to the Court of Directors.
He wished to have these. as he understood 11,.
Petrie. the Second in Council. did object to the
measures pursued. His (Mr..Pettie's) opinions
too, were of some weight, as compared with Sir G.
Harlow's; for he Iliad been 44 years at filedniss
while the latter had only bent two or three. The
oniv remaining papers for which he should meve.
were such as would shew how these mate.' had
been viewed by the Court of Directors and the Go-
vernment at home. This was more necessary, as
the Court of Directors had divided in equal mum.
hers on the que.tioti. whether Sir a l'1"1" or
Mr. Petrie should be recalled ? and the mice-dental
issue was the sending Mr. Petrie to anotier l ;11.
vernment. Some of the Directors bad pro.
tested against this, arid he wisht,l to base
there protests, to see on 101.0 their opinion, wen
founded. These were all the papers he sew
wanted ; but, he trusted, should any others up.
pear to he nee,,sary dune,: the. course of this
he world he perruitteil tocsin for theta. The
lion Getilleruan concluded t.y moving for the Male
of papers wboyresuentitreft, being copies of all cor-
respondence between the Commander-in... Ch.. f, .• •
thr Gov,rnor to Conrail at &Andra% three-.
err, •t of Lieut.-Col.Monrott.. &c.
Mr. New ex Meseepitaw,

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alepeecated the ixode of conduct adopted by
Lie t_;overnincist of Madrus. If btlCll practices at
that Govainnteist had counteuniived and taut-
tiatied were tixeretscti la this country, a revolution
would be tuevita'wl-:.

Mr. Deno is said, that the papers relating to
te Government of Madras, were in a state of
weparetsuu, arid wusild he produced by him the
moment they were ready. The lion. Gentleman
(Mr. Creevey) seeing that every exertiou was made
for the prompt and .hasty production of those
Japers, for which hr had on a former night
moved, %sic not satisfied with those which related
t the question, but moved for the production
of those comeletely unconnected with the otitis
taty part of ihe government. The Hon. Gentle.
Imo must have kilowii, that it was impossible to
'mistime all throe papers for t. Midi he had moved,
within so I. •ted a time as !hat which had been
pre..:rihed. He (Mr. build") was tint prepared
toe ever into the question minutely. With respect
to 'lse military wipers, hehed not the slightest ola•
J coact to bring them' forward • hefty ; but
:its possible mime could be udduced for the- 'trees.
soy of a dist:lo4mm o! a long trait of circumstances,
entirely trrelevaat .o the informatoon sought after.
although it was not his intention to go into the
merits of the question particularly, he could not
help taking notice of some asaersions made by the
lion. Gentleman opposite. He had stated. tt that
the mutiny and disturbances were wholly unprece-
ideated ;"—that certainly was not the ease. He hoped
that the measures taken by Government fur the
suppression of tumult and sedition there, would
totally prevent the recurrence of such evils. It had
been said, " that all the affliction and anxiety oldie
people of Madras, were occasioned by the cruelty
of their Government ;"—this also was a very pulps
ble misrepresentation, as would appear from the pa-
pers which he should in a short time lay before the
House. He thought it his duty to advert tom prac-
tice amongst the milintry Officers, which he con-
ceived to he one which every one should condemn.
This was the practice of meeting together for the pur-
pose of discussing their grievances. and sending
?immortals, retnonstreuces. &c. representing the
hardships under which they suppose they laisour.
He %stolid not say that any one person who at.eitided
at these meetings had a premerlitced desigo to
proceed so ha it, expressiug their discontent as had
beet, lately evinced ; he was sure that the sedition
which broke out at Madras, was by no means pees
concerted ; but he would say that at was most dais-
gerous to proceed so f.r into any circumstance
which might lead to acts which it should be
submitted to the authority of Government to
suppress. With respect to Sir George Bar-
low, be would make a few observations; instead
of the epithets with which that Gentleman had been
branded, he should hive been hailed as the man
who saved that country, over which his authority
was held, slid maintained in it the British autho-
rity. He was one of those who thought that it was
better to be without an acre of groom, iu Iltudostasi,
than that that, or any country, whore interests were
. connected with England, should be cotoroaled by
a military Guveritruent. As to the as.erttuti, that
the English 11Boy.-rueoeut at Madras was detested
by the natives. it was equally erroneous with the
soapy other um;routidvd statements which had been
made. The people in that country fully b•statied
their allegialiee to the entstong Government, by ad-
eaocieg. at 1.. e rail of that Government, against
the officers who hail been guilty of mutiny and se-
& eel. He would stab - the quieten in which he
fou ad alaikas. o. an les arrivel there, about three
ye ors ago. The liiiverione:a WAN upon his et:-
Vallee Rao the country, vacant. Ile was well as-
sure,l of the necessity of chusing a Governor either
from Bengal ir from hiscountry, to fill that vacancy.
kle did tot think that that eleace should have lwen
made from amongst the inhabitants of Madras. on
ac, tof its insuifest inferiority, and the corrup.
Ilan eel intrigue to which its ;noverninent had been
plnsLo 1. 'limo. pernicious qualities England had
bee., always endeavouring to eru-a ; and, for the
purpose of effecting toe object of toeir overthrow,
Sir George Barlow was chosen. Tins nom. so re-
spectable in the eyes of the discrunitiating, so un-
impeachehlatin his private and iniklir conduct, cone
trailicted all the attnitytontott complaints of gi iev-
tutees, all the paragraphs, &e. Etc. which were sent
forth by those officers; and surely it was highly
elistdvantageous to those offieers to le:tort to such
means. As to the production of the variety
of papers for which die Honourable Gentleman
had moved, there were many of them by to
Means fit for the perusal of the public. Whet
the disturbances prevailed, a untidier of letters
were intercepted, many of which were of a most
criminal uatore, and extrentely ill adapted for
public exhibition ; and when it was understood
that the Government had an intention of restorjng
those officers, with souse exception. to their ioniser
situations, the House would surely agree in the
opinion. that therelsisted uo necereite for the pro.
ilsctiou of those letters. There were besides other
letters ..f dry cud uninteresting import to the
House, which it would be unnecessary to print.—
The oval pmceedings at Madras had also been
adverted to. He had not had sufficient time to
snake any statement either in admission or denial
of what had been said upon that subject, but he
lc.lieverl that the statement WAS entirely wrong.
Arften the civil power acted, it was under the orders
or the Government, which gave the cfirectioise--
untie- the ,impression that thee.e whom they pledged
theme:dyes to assist, were labouring under the
hardships of penwcutintt. And with regard to the
jurymen, the tensor .1 of them from their office
hell been much spoken of. He had heard that some
rem iv el had taken place ; but they.. who hutch been
removed were bettered he the change. The Judges
of Madras had also tiiiderotais their share of the
lion. Gientlemati'saniityrelversirm ; hot he did not
consider alit the qualitieations of a Judge in !tuba
and to this country were very distinct. The edu-
cation necessary for such a character was by no
owaas resembling that of an English barrister.
011 the question of removing Mr. Petrie. there
1.6. r- many crinstd.outions. It was absolutely ne-
cesairy that one of the three Councillors should be
rein/wed. Sir G. Barlow and Mr. Petrie were so
r-vesistatimeed that they could not possibly act tn-
gt-ther. The re noes) of Mr. Petrie was then
.Leonid necessary. mid it took place accordingly.
1.-01 A 54411541.11 1141114.V01s conessived, that all
the y:aims at all relating to the subject, should be

produced. It was iinpossible that after the frauds •
and tyrannies which had been practised at Madras►
that country did nest feel a sorene►s rod aversion to
the Government, aMO it required all the exertion
of that House to ameliorate. He would wish to
know by what means Ali,iisters became posses►ed of
the papers respecting that Government, which they
then had ? He conceived that the papers of Sir G.
Barlow had not been transmitted legally. India,
which could only be supported by troth and justice,
called aloud for the interposition of this tic-were-
went, and her prayers for aid could not be refused.
Mr. DU Pi DAB explained.
Sir JOHN A NSTROTHER would say a few words
on the subject of Sir Geo. Barlow's conduct. it
was said that he had used a desperate experiment,
and that the general opinion of the people of Ma-
dras was against the English Governineut.—The
facts were quite the reverse. The conduct of Sir
George Barlow was highly laudable, loamd of be-
ing intemperate or desperate ; and the iud,iduals
who were under the protection of the East ludia
Company, felt, and avowed they felt, that thief hap-
piness and freedom emanated from the cure and the
parental fondness of that Government. He believed
there had been many misrepresentations respect*
the Civil Power. The particulars of their conditct
could not yet be ascertained. He was one of those
who did not consider the removal of a mail from
one place to another, provided the change was for
the better. This was the case with the Jurymen,
who had, many of them, received positive advan-
tage by their removal. He wished that all the ne-
cessary papers should he produced ; but if the mo-
tion fur all the papers was carried, he would desire
that a selection should be made, before the motion
for printing them was carried.
Sir THOMAS TUATON said, it had been men-
tioned that Sir G. Barlow had acted firmly iii his
Government. It was possible that the Government
at Madras, like the Government at home, was firm
in opposing every thing in which the public inte-
rests were concerned. He conceived that the
people there must be disgusted with the Govern-
ment over them, in proportion to the disgust which
the English Government had excited in liberal
and enlightened people. It had been said that
anonymous remonstrances had been made; but
was it not known that punishment awaited the
man who could boldly utter his sentiments ? These
applications failed, and the consequence was re-
bellion. He heartily wished that our possessions
in India we►e gone ; they were a loedstone round
the neck of the country, and would, at length,
succeed in sinking her. Until papers, exculpsiory
of Sir G. Barlow's conduct were brought forward :
he would continue to think unfavourably of him.
Sir JOHN A WIrratITHER explained.
Mr. W. GItA NT said, that a great deal of mis-
chief would be occasioned by the intemperate dis-
cussion of Indian affairs iii that House. Sir G.
Barlow had been treated most unfairly by Gentle-
. men. There were no grounds for a single accusa-
tion against him. The whole of that Gentleman's
conduct, during the late proceedings in Madras,
raised him highly in the opinion of all who were
acquainted with Min. He would entrain himself
with respect to the particulars, till the papers were
laid on the table.
Sir Tisanes TURTON explained.
Mr. Gala FILL said a few words in support of the
motion.

Mr. PsTea Mooar said, it was the duty of the
Gentleman opposite, to bring the subject forward
long since. He asserted that the army of Madras,
instead of being in the state described by en Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Hoindiss) was remarkable for loy-
alty when Sir G. Barlow entered that country, and
it was the duty of Minister, to see whether take..
tion hail not been the cause of sedition.

Mr. DUNDA,, Mr. PETER MOORE, and Mr. W.
GRANT, explained.
Mr. Itisetmoirou said, it was improper to enter
into so full a stiscosision, without the necessary do-
cuments. He had heard cmitradictory statements
from both side,, hut no satisfaction whatsoever had
been given. He considered the conduct of Sir G.
Barlow as nitnecessarily harsh; but, hoi harsh
it was, it could not warrant the crime of sedition.
He hopedt tha tranquillity would be soon restored,
by uniting the civil and military authorities.
Mr. CREZVEY eßplaisted.
The qm±4t,on was then put, that there be laid
before the House copies of correspondence from
the Governors of Fort St. George to the Direc.
tors ; and of all official information communicated
by the Governors to the Directors, and other per-
stllol.—Agreed to.

DUKE OF BRUNSWICK.
The Home then went into a Committee to con-
►ider the King's Meauge for s proviion to the
DA.. of Brunswick.

Mr. PERCIVAL 14aid, that when he considered the
liberielvy of the House upon many occasiono, he
had ins doubt of its briog extended upon that to
which he would draw the attention of the Com-
mittee. The near relationship of the Duke to His
Majesty was of itself sufficient to justify his claims
to the protection of the people of England ; how,
then, should three claims hr atrengthened, when it
was considered that the Noble Personage to whom
relief would he given, was under the severe pressure of
calamity, and torn from his honours ? He, too, was
marked for heroic conduct, in marching through a
great part of Germany as a private individual, and re-
stating, with a noble resolution, all the persecutions
of his memoir', and the fatigues of a rough an om-
forties. journey. The sum which hr would submit
to the Committee to vote for the provision of the
Doke of Brunswick, was seven thonciand per an-
mon, to be paid out of the Consolidated Fund,
*Joist the Duke was restored to his own possessions.
Lord MILTON thought thr giant required some
consideration. To Ole taxa+ %soh which the people
were burtitoied, might he irri:o ilord their irritation
gather than to any thing rho. Caution sl Id be
used in culling nut supplies at prrwmi ; and until
it was oscertaiuell that the preaent sum could not
be land out of any other fund, there should here
Isren uo &island upon the consolidated fond. In
publiiimi to the coil hos, there were drueit of Ad-
miralty ; these were at the disposal of His Majesty,
mud from those the Duke of Brunswick might be
very well supplied. He called upon Gentlemen to
consider the many other sources fruns which this
grant could he supplied,
Mr. HENIT MARTIII advised that the grant
should be made from the dryers of Admiralty, and

that the people should not be exasperated by the
unnecessary tlipposal or the public money.
After some observations from Captain Parker,
Mr. Hawkins Browne, Sir John Newport. the
Chant...ll°r of the Exchequer, Sir 'l'. Toulon, Mr.
Lushington, Mr. Croker, and Mr. Henry Martin,
the Revolution was speed to.
EMBEZZLEMENT DILL.

The House tilen went into a Conewatee upon the
Report of the Embezzlement Bill.
Mr. G. Rose objected to the amendments of the
Rill.

After some conversation between Mr. Henry
Smith, Mr. Rese, Mr. William Smith, and Sir John
Newport, the bill was ordered to be recommitted
to a Committee of the whole House on Thursday
next.

Si; CIRARLES POLE presented a resolution,
which was ordered to hr committed with the lull.

COMMITTLE OF SUPPLY.

Mr. WHARTON moved—" That the sum of
3,36% should be pond to Edward Tracey, Esq.
for his services as Surveyor of the Committee of
Lands."—Agreed to.
He then moved—" That the sum of 30,1001.
be granted for the ►upport of the establishment of
the Island of St. John, commonly celled Prince
Edward's Island."

Mr. O'Rsita said, he was glad of the opportunity
to state that the Chief Justice of that Island was
not sufficiently requited ; his salary was only 5010.
per annum, at the same time that the 'mune Judge*
in Canada had a greater salary.
Mr. PaitcsvAL thought the lion. Gentleman was
out of order ; but had not a doubt but in the next
Session an adequate provision would be made.
Mr. O'HARA said, he was perfectly satisfied with
the assurance of the Right Ron. Gentleman, for
which reason he would not move any Resolution.
It was then carried.
ST. STEPHEN'S CHAPEL.

Mr. DICKINSON moved. " That the SUM of
1,5001. should he allotted fur the repairs of St.
Stephan's Chapel."
Mr. W. SMITH asked if that sum would be suf-
ficient for its completion.
Mr. DICKINSON said, it was not in his power to
answer that question.
Mr. WILLIAM SMITH said, he thought it was as
well them to put a stop to those useless expense., as
at a subsequent tune.
Mr. PKIICKVAL said. there were only two bat-
teries under repair ; but the country was not to
lose a public building by neglect, or for the mere
saving of a few hundred pounds. If any thing was
improperly expended. the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
W. Smith) would have an opportunity next session
of bringing it before the House.
Mr. W. SMITH said, he only asked the question
to put the House on their -guisid against the next
year. The Resolution was then carried.

The House resumed, and the report was ordered
lobe brought up on Monday.
Mr. DAVIES GIDDY brought up the Report of
the Salt Drawback Bill.

Sir J. NaWPOUT objected to it, on account of its
being a hardship on the persons employed in the
linen trade.
After a few words from Mr. WHARTON and Sir
J. NEWPORT, it ilia agreed tn.
PRIVATELY STEALING BILL.
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Sir &smut. Rostat.Ly moved the -third reading
of the Privately Stealing
Mr. HERICUT opposed it. Read a third titne and
passed.
THE JUDGES' SALARIES BILL
Was read * third time, and passed. Also the
Carnatic Regulation Rill.
The other orders of the day were then disposed
of, and the Rouseadj*nritril at ens o'clock.

FOREIGN in rNLLIGENCR.