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Ti'NTII REPORT

The CHANCELLOR ofthe EXCHEQUER
rose, and begged to call the attention of the House
to the business which was fixed for Thursday next.
It was, he said, A Motion on the 10th Report of the
Commissioners of Naval Iniuiry. He had received
a letter, which had been sent b) Lord Viscount
Melville, to the Commissioners, in explanation of
his conduti in this business, which it was necesary
should he laid before the House, and he would make
a Motion to that drat, if there should be no objec-
tion to his doing so. If there was any lion. Mem-
ber objeCted, he wvuld give notice that he would
move it to-morrow. Being desired to proceed, the
Right Hon. Gentleman moved,
That there be Laid betore the Hoote • Copy of a Letter
from Load Viscount Melville to the C01111111.1100119N of looms?,
Appointed under the Mt of the 43i1 of the King, datrd te ROI
March, 1.110.5, and Ai.. Of any proceeding had thereon, or soy
sumer thereto by the said Conimosioners.

Mr. PITT then said, that he was apprehensive
these P. 4 pert could not be ready time enough for the
Members of the House to receive them, so as to be
able to give them that full and deliberate considera-
tion which a subjet% of such importance required, be-
fore Thursdry ; and if any proceedings should take
place, or any answer he returned in the mean time,
it would be still more difficult to get th.•m presented.
Ile therefore thought the best mode would be to fix
the Motion for the earliest day in the beginning of
the next week. He assured the House that he was
extremely desirous this important discussion should
take place as early as possible ; but he was confi-
dent the House would be glad to have in their pos-
session every degree of information which could he
obtained respeag it. He would have mentioned

Monday, but that was already taken up by a Mo-
tion of an Honourable Gentleman opposite to him
He would, therefore, name the next open day, un-
less the Honourable Gentleman would take Friday
for his Motion, and let this stand for Monday.
Mr. FRANCIS acquiesced in this, and the Order
of his (relative to India), which stood for Monday,
was accordingly discharged, aad a new one made
fur Friday next.
Mr. GREY said, that as it must be the wish of
every Member to receive all the information that
could he obtained, though he wishe I the business
to he brought forward with as much speed as poi-
;
sible; yet, if it was understood that the Order
should peremptorily stand hd Monday, he would,
on the part of his Honourable Friend (Mr. Whit-
bread), in his absence, consent to postpone the Mo-
tion till Mo ntay.
Mr. pm. s.tid it should stand peremptory for
Monday, unless some very material event should
happen that could not be foreseen.
The question on Mr. r. TT'S Motion was then put
and agreed to; the Order for Thursday discharged,
and a new one made for Monday.
Lord A. HAMILTON said that he had given
notice on a former day, that he would, in the course
of the present week, move a day for taking into
consideration the several Petitions against the Corn
Bill. He had, however, on further c:Aisideration,
determined not to bring forward his Motion on that
subjell still atter the Easter recess.

Mr GROGAN'S ATTAINDER.
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) rose to make the
Motion, of which be had given notice on a former
day, which he did to the following purport :
That there be laid before the Home a Copy of the Evidence
Procaediugs taken Wore the linos* of Commons of I re-
under an Act pautd in the Ads of Ilk Majesty, for the
an:tinder of Cornelius Grogan, Ksq. of Johnstown, in the
county of Wexford, for High Treason, as far as concerns the
said Cornelius Grogan.
I laving read his Motion, he said he thought it ne-
ce. ary to apprise the House of the reason which
had induced him to make it. Mr. Cornelius Geo•
gau, a Gentleman of considerable fortune and re-
spedability, had had his life taken away without a
trial by Jury. He had been condemned and exe-
cuted by the sentence of a Military council, without
the stria forms even of ageneralCourt Mat tial, and the
officer who pronounced the sentence had declared, at
the Bar of the Irish House of Commons, that he was
not presept when the evidence was given, nor had he
read the evidence, but -he approved the sentence,
which shen•ed he must have relied on the word of
honour of the officers who were present. He con-
sidered, therefore, that this was not a fair trial, and
he trusted the House would comply with his Mo-
tion, and convince themselves, from the evidence,
upon what grounds a Bill of Attainder had been
passed (alter this unfortunate Gentleman had lost
his life), to deprive his wretched tinnily of the pro-
perty which belonged to him.
Sir J. NEWPORT accorded the Motion, which
haring been read from the Chair ;
Lord CASTLERE AG I 1 sad that he should beg
the patience of the House till he shortly stated the
circumstances under which Mr. Gtogan had been
tried. As far as he could now recoiled, he was tried
by a Court Martial, consisting of I 3 or 14 of the
principal officers of the army, and had, in every re-
spea, as fair a trial as the circumstances or the
country would at that time admit. After the exit.
initiation made by the Parliament of Ireland, on the
fullest evidence that could be produced, he could
not suppose that House would so far interfuse as
to make an order for the produdion of evidence, on
which they had come to their determination on the
Bill of Attainder lie did not kn ow what reason the
Hon. Gentleman had for bringing for ward this
Motion. nor was he certain that any such record as
the minutes on which the Irish Parliament formed
their judgments, was in existence. As he could
not, therefore, see any good ground for a Motion of
this nature, he should oppose it, by moving that the
other Orders of the Day be then read.
On the question being put;
Mr. MARTIN (Galway) said, that considering
what he knew of the circumstances of the execution
of Mr. Grogan, he was by no means surprised his
motion should not meet the approbation of the
Noble Lord. lie took on himself; however, to say,
positively, that the evidence did exist of which the
Noble Lord had so much doubt. He knew persons
who have taken exa& copies of the evidence, and
who might be ordered to at:end and verify the
same on oath, before the House. lite Noble Lord
had said, every formality had been complied with
on the trial. This he denied to be the case : he had
neither Counsel, A7,ent. or friend, admitted to
assist him ; and he would ask the Arroa ev-Gso
R 1., and was sure he should have him on his side,
whether a man incarcerated in a gaol, taken imme.
diately (torn thence, and executed under the sen-
tence of a Military Council, without any assistance
whatever, was a fair trial? lie insisted it was a
murder, on which immediately followed confisca-
tion of his property. Tile Noble Lord wished there.
fore to shelter himself tinder the forms of the House.
lie pledged himself, however, that it the evidence
WAS produced, it would prove such flagrant pro-
ceedings, as would astonish every one. The Noble
Lord seemed very anxious to know what use he
meant to make of the present motion. He would
candidly tell him, if the House, on perusal of the
evidence, should be of opinion, .there was not a scin-
tilla of proof to warrant the execution of Mr. Gro.
gan, and the consequent confiscation of his pro-
perty, under the Bill of Attainder, he had no doubt
but they would do justice to his unfortunate family,
by reversing the attainder, and restoring the pro-
perty so cruelly taken from them.
Mr. FOX said, if you cannot judge from the
evidence given before the Parliament, in a case of
attainder, as the. Noble Lord seemed to intimate an
attainder would be irreversable, which was contrary
to the whole of the practice of this country, as the
Noble Lord would find. on a reference to its his-
tory, in matters of this nature. He thought the
motion ought to be agreed to; because, if the evi-
dence were before the House. there could be no
doubt, but that in consequence of the change of
circumstances which had taken place in the situation
of Ireland, and the conciliatory measures which had
since been resorted to, there could be no doubt the
House, if it saw just ground for so doing, would
be inclined to reverse the attainder, and restore the

property confiscated under it, to the unfortunat

owners.

f.oidCASTLEREAGH b'gged the House would

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not misapprehend him. He wished the House to
be in possession of all die evidence that could be ob-
tained, and if there was any information ex-
isting in such a shape as Parliament can take
notice of it, he should have no objelion to its being
produced. The Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Fox) had adverted to cases of reversals of Bills of
Attainder ; it was true there had been several, but
he believed none in which the question had been
retired at any future period of a considerable
distance.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT contradiaed the last po-
sition of the Noble Lord, and referred to the cases
of Lnrd Russell, Sir Samuel Cornish, and others,
who had suffered in the bad times of Charles I. and
11. and whose attainders were reversed :It the period
of the Revolution, which was very distant. He
thought the evidence ought to be produced, because
it would bring the matter fairly before them, and
eiable the House to form a fair and dispassion-
ate judgment on the subjth. He thought
it necessary to inform the House, that the family
of Mr. Grogan had been in very extraordinary
and, indeed, most unfortunate circumstances. The
very next brother to Mr. Grogan, and who would
have been his immediate heir had he survived him,
fell honourably, loyally, and gloriously, fighting
the battles of his country. The other brother fought
with the most determined bravery, till driven out
of Wexford by the Rebels, who were greatly su-
perior in numbers, before the main body of the
at my arrived, and therefore, under all these circum-
stances, added to a doubt, whether Mr. Grogan
himself had not been forced to tight on the side of
the Rebels, he thought the justice of the House
would incline them to agree to the Motion.
General LOF I'US said, that as a member of
the Court Martial who sentenced Mr. Grogan, lie
wished to say a few words. The officers who
formed the Court were the principal men of rank
and charader in the army, and every attention had
b-en paid in the careful examination of the witnesses.
Atter the sentence was passed, he was told by many
persons of the town, that Mr. Grogan was not so
much to blame as he appeared to be, on which he
applied to General Lake to suspend the execution of
the sentence fur some time, till he could make fur-
ther inquiry; to which General Lake consented, and
the execution was deferred till evening, when not
being able to find any fails in his favour to counter-
poise, or do away the evidence adduced against him,
he went to inform General Lake of the circum-
stance, and the execution then took place.

Mr. MA (CFI N explaineal.
Lord CASTLEREAGH, in explanation, said,
that as he now knew the °bk.& of the Motion was
only to lay the foundation for reversing the attain-
der, he should have no objection to withdraw his
Motion for reading the Orders of the Day. Ik-
tore he sat down, he could not, however, omit doing
justice to the charaetets of Mr. Grogan's brothers
and family, by allowing that they had always dis-
tinguadiNl themselves by the most unshaken loyalty
and attachment to their King and country.
His Lordship's Motion was then, with the leave
of the House, withdrawn, and the original Motion
was agreed to
Mr. MARTIN then moved for a return of the
particulars of the expenses attending criminal pro-
secution.: in Ireland, concluded at the expence of the
Crown. from the Ist of Jan. 1795, to the lit of
Jan. 1801 .—Ordered.
Mr. J. FITZGERAL!) stated, that on the 11th
of Feb. two Orders were made fine the produCtion of
certain Papers, and in all that time nothing had
been done in them. If there was any thing like a
Government in Ireland, in the space of seven weeks
this might have been done. fie referred, there-
fore, to the Speaker, for a proper form of words in
which to shape his future ocedme.
The SPEAKER said, that being thus called on,
it was his duty to inform the ( lot:. Gentlem in and
the House, that, in the first iii:tance of neglea, the
course was to repeat the order is a more peremp-
tory manner, that the return be made lot thv.i.h.
If that was not complied with, to order die pers..n
or persons, whose duty it w.e, to make the return, to
attend the louse, and answei tar the iie,tlea.
Mr. FITZGERALD than moved that it be re-
turned forthwith. Ordered.
MILITIA It; Li..

.....
The CHANCELLOR of the F.V.7IIII.QUER
moved the Order of the Day, for tuv ititd reading
of the Militia Bill, which was accts diugly real
third time, and a new clause added by tray it ridar,
pi °riding for the wives and children of Militiamen,
who may volunteer.
On the question that the Bill do pass
The Marquis of DOUG LAS opposed it, on the
ground of its being a pernicious measure, and nn
argument having been advanced to support it, wily
an ipse dint, that those men may be of use ; the
burthen, he said was Unetillal, and, therefore, un-
just. He repeated many of the arguments used in
former stages of the Bill, and concluded by assert-
ing, tha, it would be the rain of the Militia, as offi-
cers of landed property would be excluded, and the
confidence of the men destroyed.
Mr. SHERIDAN said he continued in the same
opinion he had formerly expressed, and agreed in
that of the Noble Lord, that it would ruin the Mi-
litia. He objected to it in a Constitutional as well as
Military and Political view. Ile ridiculed that part
of the Preamble which states its being necessary to
increase the Regular forces, and asked when this
discovery was first made ? %Vas it not equally ne-
cessary last year, when the Right Hon. Gentleman
said, we had not even a day or au hour to lose ?
Where was his favourite and mighty Defence Bill?
the necessity was equally great when that was
brought in, and yet it has totally failed, for out of
17,000 men it had not pmdtaced one.
Mr. PITT said. the statement of the Hon. Gen-
tleman was the very reverse of the fa&
Mr. FOX said, the denial of the Right Hon
Gentleman, as to the statement of his I lon. Friend,
could only apply to his assertion, that, instead of
17,000 men, the bill had not produced one. Taking
it strifly, his Hun. Friend was inaccurate. it had,
however, produced very few, and might certainly be
said to have altogether failed; and yet the Right
Hon. Gentleman had not found out till the month
of March, that it was necessary to increase
the regular forces. Ile could not account for this,
units tm: WAS ashamed, and did not like to be the
i:ryt to own the coniplete failure of his own favour-
i',• Bill. %Vitt) was it not the first meamre of Par-
liament? ttztbe Right Honourable Gentleman ought

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to consider that, notwithstanding the iseo
cipline of the Militia, these men will not be
soldiers in the regular forces for some time
and if we had not a day or an hour to II
months ago, surely we had less now. He a,
the language then used by the Right Ho,
man against the late Administration, am
now they acted in a kind of concert: hem
conceive that when that Ad ninistration

o.wct•C
Ironed to
i. Gentle.

the epithets the Right Hun. Gentleman bestoienia •
them, and saw him coming forward with this new
temporary expedient, after proving the inefficiency
of his Parish Bill, they must, however they may
apparently agree, look on him with an eye of exul-
tation and superiority that could not be very grate.
ful to his feelings. Viewing the Bill, therefore, only
as a continuation of that inefficient, irregular, and
nugatory measure, he should certainly vote againAit.
The SECRETARY at WAR admitted that the
Defence At had not answered, as yet, all the pur-
poses that were expeded from it, but that was virtu-
ally stated in the preamble of this Bill. He denied,
however,that it had totally failed, as would be proved
from its producing, upon the average of the last 13
weeks, from 180 to 200 men weekly, in Great Bri-
tain and Ireland, without at all inte•fer;ng with the
regular recruiting. The latest weekly r A era was Idl
men,and heasked whetherthere was any good reason
to give up that produdive measure, I:rcause an ad-
ditional one was proposed, which would afford .ut
immediate accession of 17.000 men to our dispose.
able force ? It could not be expeded that any spe-
ciflc object should be stated for the application of
this force. as it WAS fully sufficient to say, that the
country was engaged in a very arduous war.
Mr. FOX said, that what had been represented
of the Defence ACI now producing 200 men weekly,
was no argument of the success of a measure whiel
was calculated to have produced 17,000 men, not
in the whole empire, but in Great Britain only.
The SECRETARY At. WAR. a% lord, in rcpt:,
that, front its cried% hitherto, there was every reas.
to conclude that it was already producing at the
rate of 10,000 men annually.
Mr. FOX insisted, that the Defence Aft had, at
least, totally failed of dialing what was prom.sed
from it.

Mr. SHERIDAN thought it was an incontestible
proof of its failure, that the Regular Force, which
it professed to augment, had, during its op rra.ion,
suffered a decrease of 1000 men.
Mr WINDHAM conceived, that the sece-ss of
any public measure was to be judged of on a com-
parison with what was promised from it, and iron
that scale it was no defence of a measure .voich pas
promised to pro lute an immediate accessiva of
17,000 men, that it had gradually produced as
much as three or four thoesand. If ir as no just
cation of that aft, that it performed a fourth or
fifth of what was professed from it, ally mole than
a man could fulfil All engagement of is aiking Irons
this place to York in four days, to say th it at the ch se
of the fourth Jay he was advanced on his way to
Doncaster. Whatever may he augured of its future
success, it would surely be too touch to say, that it
had hitherto succeeded. The dole ye gained was
no test or presage of its ever accomplishing any of
its ()bk.% as a great compreileiisive measure for
raising a 541116,!:It disposeable force. The most
trifling variation in the centre would make a very
wide differen:e in the circumference. This bill was
a mere trarisfer of meet from one establishment to
another; but could not be called any addition to
our Military Force. It was now doing by violence,
wnat was before proposed to be done by more gentle
methods. From the language of the advocates and
the proposer of it, he understood it to be :ntended
that, should this bill provide the 17,000 men, the ad-
ditional Defence Aft would net be proceeded upon,
and, if so, why not give it its proper name of a
repeal of the fie mer measure? 11'hy should the
Defence Bill be suffered thus silently to expire, and
fade from the sight in the manner-of a vision ? ‘A.hy
should the Parish Bill retreat, without that retre.ic
being seconded, and the trial, which was so carti-
e.tly demanded for if, postponed ad Graces Ca-
lendar?
Mr. CANNING admitted that there was a great
difference between the statement of complete failure
and complete success; but neither of them hitherto
applied to the drat% of the Detente Mt; and the
present Bill, so far from being a repeal of it, was not
of the same nature with that measure. That Bill
succeeded so far as to produce at the rate of 10,00)
own annually; but it had failed in raising immedi-
ately all the accession that might have been ex-
pelted to the disposeable force. He did not compre-
hend on wha, grouild the Gentlemen opposite to
him, who loudly and warmly complained of the
smallness of our Reeular Army, coact consistently.
vote against a Bill, the plain and obvious obj:Cl
which was to convert ieto a disposeable tore,
that which was at present indispose:Ole. Tile
Right Honourable Gentleman who spoke last had
never alleged that the number of men we had in
arms were not sufficient for the defence of die coun-
try, but uniformly complained that they were not
disposeable nor applicable to all the purposes of the,
war. All seemed to concur as to the necessity of
reinforcing the Regular Army, and therefore the
objections could only go to the want of doing so.
It was singular enough to observe gentlemen, who
wished for the reduCion of the Militia, oppose b
the gradual and immediate reduftion of it. He did
not well know what to think of the sincerity of those
who aCted in such a manner. On the Slave Trade.
for instance, if a Member was to be an advocate for
the abolition of the Slave Trade. and yet objeCtboth
to the gradual and immediate abolition, he believed
there were few who would give him much treat
tat
his sincerity. As to what had been said on the as-
sumption of its being unconstitutional, he had only
t.) observe, that it would be in vain to disguise that
ever y measure, calculated to raise a great addition to
the regular and permanent military force, must, in
this free coantry, be necessarily a matter of com-
promise with the principles of the constitution ; and
the arguments that the rewards and bounties would
operate as a sort of compulsion, would be cquallY
applicable to every branch of the military service.
Mr. WINDHAM sooke a very few words in ex-
plan.itioe. After which the House called very
loudly for the question.
Mr. GILES then addressed them. He said, it
sea. not Iris intention to detain them any tardier
than making a very few remarks, in answer to the
assertion, that the present measure was not a virtual
repeal of the Defence Aa. That Aft bad duo

proving the inefficiency
must, however they may
m him with an eye of exul-
t could not be very grate-
ing the Bill, therefore, only
t inefficient, irregular, and
iuld certainly vote again,t ie
tt WAR admitted that the
iswered, as yet, all the pnr.
from it, hut that was virta.
ole of this Bill. He denied,
ly fished, as would be proved
the average of the last 13
men weekly, in Great Bri-
tt at all interfer;rig with the
latest weekly 14. tra was tBI
erthere. w,ts auy good reason
ye measure, lecause an al-
ed, which would afford an
17.000 men to our dispose.
)t be expeeted that any spe.
tated for the application of
ly sufficient to say, that the
avery arduous war.

what had been represented
producing 200 men weekly,
success ct a measure whic:i
produced I 7;00 men. not
t in Gre.tt Britain only.
•t WAR. aft. med. in repl,•,
erto, there w.ts every revs .0
s already Feducing at the
natty.
h.tt the Defence Al had, at
effecting what was prorMseii

ought it was an incontestible
.t tile Regular Force, which
t, had, during its op:radon,
1000 men.
onceived, that the seeress of
is to be judged of on a core.
promised from it. and tr•nn
tnce of a measure .which ass
an immediate accessiva of
had gradually prodaced as
honsand. It It as no jvist.i-
-t it performed a fourth or
essed from it, any mote than
mgagenvnt of lt alking front
sr days,to say that at the ch se
'as advanced nn his way to
• may he augured of its future
ly be too much to say, that it
. The little ye• gained was
is ever accomplishing any of
comprehensive measure for
sposeable force. The most
a centre would make a very
:ire umfer ence. This bill was
el Iron" one establishnu.nt to
of be called any addition to
t was now doing by violence,
tad to be done by more gentle
anguage of the advocates and
understood it to be :nteedvd
wide the 17,000 men, the ad.
would n. t be proceeded upon,
give it its proper name or a
measure? Why should the
d thus silently to expire, and
the manner of a vision ? Why
I retreat, without that retreat
he trial, which was so cant-
, postponed ad Graces' Ca-

mitted that there was a great
statement of complete 4ilure
but neither of them hitherto
If the Defence A f ; and the
n being a repeal of it, was not
ith that measure. That Bill
produce at the rate of 10,00.1
had tailed in raising inimedi-
n that might have been ex-
ile force. He did not comptc-
the Gentlemen opposite to
warmly complained of the
Aar Army, could consistrnsle
plain and obvious nhj •t 1
ert jet° a disposeable
present indispose:role Toe
.ntleman who spoke I of had
e number of men we !,ad in
it for the defence of the cowl.
mplained that !hey were not
able to all the purposes of the
concur as to the necessity at
Ar Army, and therefore the
go to the weans of doing so.
:h to observe gentlemen, who
m of the Militia, oppose b
,Late reduelion of it. He slid
think of the sincerity of those
canner. On the Slave Trade,
ther was to be an advocate for
Lye Trade. and yet object both
'mediate abolition, he believed
ould give him much cre.: it for
what had been said on the as-
itnconstitutional, he had only
tuld be in vain to disguise that
ated to raise a great addition to
'anent military force, must, us
necessarily a matter of com-
ciples of the constitution; and
le rewards and bounties would
(impulsion, would be equally
•anch of the military service.
stoke a very few words in ex-
Inch the House called very
addressed them. lle said, it
in to detain them any farther
Cw remarks, in nnswcr to the
esent measure was not a VII 4(141
e Act. That Aet had tlave

laid down as hs ground-work —! st,
e augmentation of the Regular Army ;
That it should produce a force that sholkl
permanent; and 3dly, That it should effect a
reduaion of the Militia. It was, there-
'', ident that this Bill, which professed
an augmentation only of 29,000 men
cbsposeable force, was a repeal of the former
which was promised to yield a regular
ro army of 56,000. Independently of this;
of the leading arguments in favour of the De-
fence Att was, that it would take away the b.illots,
sysel one of the objefts of thisavowedly to
testore them. If the Defence Aft should be conti-
vied in operation, this would, in faet, have the
ifes of a tat bill upon the parishes, which would
hoe so ballot, both for the men to be so raised
bi the presents as well as the former measure. It
c:.aid not be denied, that the former had wholly
in point of time, in furn;shing no more, hi-
et.lled;erto, than throe or four thousand, instead of the
g„„A member which it promised. That remained
mric:r unaccomplished, as would the promise of
min who tendered an immediate remedy for the
t,,hb-ache, and wen his application ailed so far,
..,001,1 say, " the c hure will be effeeted f
in a week or
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIES.QUER
said, that there was a singular fatality attending all
the arguments brought forward, by the opposers of
tl;is measure. If it were true that the Militia was
more nomerou, than it need to be, which seemed to
be admitted on all hands, he should think that a
R od reason for the reduetion ; and they who con-
tended so strenuously for the necessity of an addi-
tion to our disposeable force, and also thought the
Militia Mat numerous elan was requisite, could
not, he thought, with any grace, objet to that re-
elttetion being an immediate one. On a similar
;mond, if it were true that the Defence At had to-
tally failed in its objeet, he conceived that it should be
a strong motive for approving. this measure, which
would accomplish that ebjeEk in another manner.
Mr. WINDHAM here called him to order, as
ping beyond the line of explanation ; but declared,
that he had no objeetion to hear the Right Hon.
Gent. out in defence of this measure, if, by the rules
of their proceedings, he could have an opportunity
of replyir.,: to him.
The SPEAKER said, he was aware that the
Right Hon. Gentleman, as far as he proceeded,
did not keep within the limits of explanation, and
that he only waited till that circ.l .lance should be
taken notice of by the House, or till by the tenor of
his speech it could be seen whether what he already
said would be brought to bear upon any point of
rellanation.
The CiIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he should leave it to the judgment of the
House whethet a short observa!inn made by him be-
fore should, in the striilneu pf form, be considered
as speaking to the qnestion. Wh'at he said was cer-
tainly rather in explanation of %hat he said hi a
former stage, than in elucidation of the sentence
which fell from him in this ; hut he should not pro-
ceed farther, if be found it to he again t the pleasure
of the House. •

Tne SPEAKER again observed, that all which
WAS necess.ry For him to do, was to state his con-
ception ot the order of proceeding, and as to the
rest, it w.is to be disposed of at the pleasure ot the
House.

1 se ettANCIPILLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then said, that he did not wish to persist id any
thing which was contrary to the lOrms. He WAi
satisfied to let the question test upon the ground on
which it already stood ; and he was the less inclined
to urge the obser►ations he had to offer, at the pre-
rent moment, as he made no doubt hut the Hon.
Gentleman opposite to him would afford him oppor-
tunities enough of doing so.
On the Question being put.strangers were ordered
to withdraw, but the Marquis of Donut AS declining
to put, it to a division. the Bill was pasted without
a division, and ordered to the Lords.
The Excise Duty Bill was read a third time.
Mr. STI: RGE.S BOIT RN F. thee moved a clause
to prevent the manutaigutt of glue clandestinely,
and subjeOing to the excise, such manufacturers as
were now exempted from it ; which was agreed to,
after which the Bill passed.
On the motion of Lord CACTI maw', the
House went through a Committee on the Bengal
Establishment Bill; the report of which was re-
ceived immediately. and the Dill ordered to be tead
a third time to-morrow.
The Irish Spirits Permit Bill went through a simi-
lar proccsc.
'['he Irish Militia Volunteer Bill went through a
Committee, without producing any conversation,
and was ordered to be reported to-mortow.
Adjourned.

THE II aiS E-. 4-.;

1,0/11 i)(,\,
TUESDAY, Arni:

A Gottenburgh Mail arrived yesterday, with pa-
pers to the 233. A pri7ate letter by this convey-
ance states,apon tile authority of a I, ttcr, dated Ah-
earn, reb. lb, that the Swedish General Consul
Ca tin irwtca, at that port, had received advices
front the commanding officer at Marseilles. stating.
that the elllklign was taken off the Swedish vessels
iu the ports of France, and that the French soldiers
atho had been placed on board them, had been sent
to join their respeetive regiments. A letter of a
prior date, from [Merolla. states. that such a mea-
sure WAS expeEted to take place in the beginning of
May. We find farther, in one of the foreign papers
Deceived last week, an article dated Florence, Feb. 2,
which announces an agreement between the Court
of Vienna and that of HON ArA R 1 r, that no more
troops, from either side, should be sPnt into Italy,
and this has b.A.n since followed up, according to a
report, which we have already noticed, with an un-
dertaking on the part of the Emperor of Gi.a se A 14 v.
to reduce the Austrian cordon npnn the frontiers of
Italy, to 12,000 men. The state of the Continent,

ap to the most recent intelligence, strongly corm-
roborates these accounts. We do not perceive, ei-
ther in Russia or in Sweden, that bustle and Ai.
vity, which denote the approach of hostilities. But,
supposing them to be true only in part, they shew
that many persons we-e too sanguine iii their specu-
lations of an immediate Contiiieotal Wsr. IndeeJ,
when Mr. PITT adverted to the stit.jea, on opening
t',.e Budget, he spoke of Conti:le-11W co operation
more as a contingency, which, in die piesent unset-
tled state of Europe, no Statesman could leave out
of his view, than as a probable event.

We yesterday received some more Dutch and
French Journals; but none of a later date than
those already in our We have made a
few extraCts from them, which will be found in a
subsequent column.

The Roroddee cutter arrived on Friday night at
Plymouth, from off' Brest, with an account that the
Brest fleet, amounting to twenty-two sail of the line
and five frigates, had moved out of that harbour,
and proceeded to the roadstead of Camaret Bay,
where it anchored under the prote&ion of the bat-
teries on snore. Our fleet off Brest, under Admiral
COT row, amounted, we believe, to only sitteen
sail of the line, the Ma'/a, of aO guns, having re-
turned to port. It was reported yesterday that the
Brest fleet had come out with a determination to
fight; but it is more probable, notwithstanding the
inferiority of our fleet in number, that the manoeuvre
Was a bravado, or for the purpose of watching
an opportunity to escape. Admiral Coe roar has,
no doubt, before this, received a strong rein-
forcement. Admiral Lord G emit!: had hoist-
ed his flag on board the Hidertua, of 110 guns,
in Cawsand Bay, and proposed to sail with the
Ajax, of 74 guns. on Saturday, to take the com-
mand of the Channel Fleet. The report of the
Brest fleet having manifested an intention to put to
sea had also reached Portsmouth on Saturday,
and the Dragon, Queen, and Pia/dozenth in that har-
bour, immediately got wider weigh to proceed fur
Brest.

Marquis CORNWALLIS Will 5.411 for India on the
Bth. His Lordship goes duel to Madras, where
he will remain In a few days. The troops under
orders for the East Indies will embark in a fcw
days. Orders were issued on SAturday to the
Officers h?liinging to Co-ps de.-ined for this service
im:r.i.diately to join their regiments.

The discussion of the Catholic Petition was filed
last night in the House of Lords for the 10th of
May.

On Sunday evening, a Cabinet Council was held
at Mr. Pyres house.

This day a Crum of Aldermen \Nil' he held at
Guildhall. for the dispatch of public tluiness; and
nn Thursday a Court of Common Couac;l will be
held to consider of applying to Parbarni-nt lure
to bring in a Bill for improving a;.l
Smithfield Market

A Telegraph is about to he ere fed between Nor-
wich and Yarmouth, for mere:mule purposes.
Sir THOMAS FstcNctt and Mr. SCULLY, the Ca..
tholic Deputies, have lelt town for Dublin, for
which city the Earl of Ft so AL. and the other De-
puties, are expeaed to set not this day. The Earls
of SMUeWSIUaY and Krsta ac, and Lord Thu-
r. est on, h.tve accepted the charge of their mission
until the question is brought into Parliamentary dis-
cussion; by which time, the regular deputies will
return to London.

The ((Mowing Notice, dated 7th of February,
1405, is affixed in the Discount Office, at the
Bank :—.4 Ihe Court of Direfion of t...e Gover-
nor and Company of the Bank of England
hereby give notice, Ow alter the 15th of April next,
the Bank will nat discount any Bills of Exchange or
Promi,sory Notes, dated after that day, which are
ihn accepted payable at the Bank of England, or at
the Bankers in London."

The Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty have
been pleased to order, in addition to the cruisers off
the Land's End, a frigate ttt cruise for the protec•
lion of the trade in that quarter.
A French gon•boat, mounting two guns, and
having on hoard fifteen men, has been sent into
Plymouth. She formed part of a detachment of
eight sail, two of which were captured, and the rest
driven nn shore near the Penmarks, by the Sinus
of 3,; guns, the Atalanta of 18 guns, and the
Gr ,I:trr of 14 guns. The other gun-boat had not
arrived when our letters were sent off from Ply-
mouth.

The Heneieita, Foto, and six other vessels, arriv-
ed at Sul loam on the 19th of January ; they parted
from the Hanover and about 36 sail (part of the
Ifeona'seimvoy), on the 12th, in Lt. 13 deg. 41 min.
lone. 47 deg. 20 min.
Six troops of the 15th Regiment of Light Dra-
goons have marched into Salisbury from Southamp-
ton, and remain quartered there, and in the vicinity.
A tew months back a meeting took place, of the
Gentlemen interested in the long standing claims of
the mercantile interest of this country against the
Spanish Government, when it was resolved to make
application to Mr. Pt t t for that redress, which, in
vain, they had sought for from the Court of Madrid.
A few days since it was officially made known to
the claimants, that all the treasure ,reamed by the
English Government in the Spanish plate ships or
otherwise, previous to the declaration of war, is to
be appropriated in the first instance to the discharge
of the claims above stated, with all possible expe-
dition; for which purpose Commissioners are ap-
pointed, one by the claimants, and another by Go-
vernment. Some of the claims are very large—one
house at Eszter demands 100,0001.

'"rte: -:

,-(4,

ANCIENT MUSIC.

Yesterday morning, the rehearsal for to-morrow
night'• performance took place at Honorer-square
koomo under the direetton of the Earl of D A N.
LL v The Noble Earl ha, seleBed, for the perform
ance of the evening, the whole of that admirable
cetnprtsiti.m. Arne and ()dialed, with the addition of
seer, al excellent pieces. che thirty-two chorus-
singer. belonging to this Concert, who, as we have
before stated, had signed an agreement not to sing,
without being asked, or receiving some remunera-
tion, at the Concert, last Wednesday evening, for
the benefit of the Royal Society of Musicians, at-
tended the rehear al, as usual ; when they found,
that a partial punishment for non-attendance had
been inflided, by the discharge of sixteen of them,
although they could. not determine by what rule
the punishment had been marked out ; as, if any
had offended, the guilt lay equally upon all. The
remaining sixteen. however, supported their bre-
thren by refusing to continue in the Orchestra, if
any of the company were discharged fur absenting
themselves from the Concert last Wednesday night ;
and here the matter rested. NVe understand, these
Sons of Harmony do not mean to accept of a dis-
charge, as they have taken Counsel's opinion, and
have received for answer, that, as they were en-
gaged for the Concert of Ancient Music, at fifteen
shillings a night. including their attendance on
Monday, at the rehearsal, and their singing at the
Royal Society of Musicians' Benefit Concert form-
ed no pan of that contra/. they had not broken
any of their engagements, by declining to attend
such Concert, and could compel the Dreams to a
fulfilment of theirs, advising them, therefore, to
attend every rehearsal and performance, and offer
themselves to do their duty as usual.

Yesterday morning, His MAJcsr, r, and the Prin-
ces,.. Set II I A and MEL' A, accompanied by Gene-
r FITZROY and MANNERS, and the Hon. Mrs.
EGERTON, took an airing on horseback, in Wind-
sor Great Park.
Her M trr Y and the other PRINCESSES took an
airing to Frogmnre.
On Sunday evening a SeleCtion from the Sacred
Oratorio of SOIO,IIOB was performed before Their
Maarsries, at Windsor Castle, by the Queatt's
band, and the Gentlemen of the Windsor Choir.

Last night Thtir MAJKSTIcs had a Vocal Concert,
by the Gentlemen of the Windsor Choir, from the
works Of HANDEL. CRAFT, and BOYCE. There
were likewise several :deft Glees.

The music fir the ensuing installation at Windsor
is to be a Te Drum by ORLANDO GIBBONS, with a
.7A4tiate byiK 'Po, and the Communion service of
Dr. CHILD, with the addition of several pieces from
Mont, particularly the Grand Coronation An-
thems, The lieng Ada rejoice-, and Zadock the Priest,
with the full accompan;ments, for which, with royal
permission, Her MAJESTY'S band will attend.
The good King of Bath has summoned all his
liege and trusty subjeds to attend his cnii at the
Lower House, this month.
Mrs. BILLIHOTos lends her vocal aid on Wed-
nesday fortnight to the veteran Rauzzisi's benefit
concert at Bath.

Mrs. H. Tlol.lt, the Lady so much admired for
her literary attainments, to whom AVACREON
MOORt has addressed one of his most beautiful bal-
lads, is much recovered from her late severe indis-
position.
The ladies of Lincoln have, for some time, had
a repository in that town for the works of their
leisure hours. It was rpened in the Assize week
for inspe6tinn, and dis.dayed the greatest variety of
uselnl and ingenious works, which were all dis-
posed of, and the me ey given to different cha:ities.
The eleirtion of a I. epresentative in Parliament for
the borough of Oh Sarum, on the vacancy occasi-
oned by Mr. VAiiilTT•ileS a,apointment to the
office of Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of
Ireland, was appointed to take place yesterday.
It is expected that Mr. VANSITTART will be
re-
ek3ed. without opposition.

The /sieved Spanish privateer, of 10 guns, and
75 men, is i:aptured by higate, and
sent into Scilly ; she had captured three prizes, one
a bark belonging to Dartmouth (since retaken),
an Americaa vessel from New-York, for Falmouth;
and the Daaish vessel, Copenhagen, which she cap-
tured on the 17th ult. and sent for Corunna.
Eatra.t of a letter from a gentleman passenger on
board the N. S. del Carmen, Spanish prize, arrived
at Waterford, from Madeira, to Messrs. BC/INC/I
and W NITS, LLOYD'S, dated Waterford, March
27 In answer to your letter, requesting to know
whether there was any authenticity in the report of a
French squadron brine seen off Madeira, I have to
intorm you, that, before I left that island, which
was oa the 22,1 of Feb. last, three vessels had ar-
rived there, each of which reported they had seen a
number of men of war off that island. the begin-
ning of February ; one of these, in particular, re-
ported, that she saw an Admiral's light ; also the
light of a look-out ship, which was carried at her bow-
sprit end ; and also reported, that they seemeJ to be
steering to the Southward and Westward ; all these
vessels gave nearly the same account. A schooner
came in from Porto Santo the day after these vessels

reported they saw the fleet, but he had not seen any
thing of them ;they. did not say to a certainty how
many there were, but supposed seven or eight sail
of the line. This is alt the information 1 can give
on the subjeel ; but it wes generally supposed at
Madeira, they were not English, as they let so many
vessels pass them."
On Thursday night, as one of His M Esxv 's
carriages and sin was conveying Generals NI Ari-
sta% and FITZROY, two of His Mear.srv's equer•
ries, to Kew, as the carriage was passing near
Knightsbridge Green, several persons called to the
postillions, and informed them there was no coach-
man on the box ; upon which they stopped the
horses—and, upon enquiry, it was discovered, that
as the carriage was passing opposite Knightsbridge
Chapel, one of the fore wheels went over a very
large stone, which threw the coachman off the nor,
and he was found. with his right arm and leg broke,
lying on the road, occasioned by a hind.wheel of the
carriage going over them : proper assiblence was im.
mediately procured, and he was conveyed to St.
George's Hospital. His name is Weir.
Equerries were obliged to wait till another coach.
man arrived from !CIAO'S Mews.

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TIMATRI,
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filusoaA SIC/RACE'S tSENEFIT. I
It was generally understood that the etreaitia"
stance which led to the disturbance a: this Theatri
on Thursday evening, and induced Mr. B.Aaal tee
relinquish his engagement, was the refusal of U •
Manager to pernutliim to sing some favourite songs
from The Cabinet, for this Lady's benefit, which .
took place last night. The House was as crowded
at an early hour, as so popular an Aaress could :4`•
expea ; but many of the audience had the further
expeaation of a new Theatrical feaear, and were
soon after the curtain drew up fully ratified in
that expeaation. 'Phe Opera of The Siege raj Be'-
grade commenced with every favourable omen, the
Overture and first Chorus were received with gene-
ral approbation; but the moment Mr. Bit All 4 a made
his appearance, a general uproar began. Off! Qff
hear! hear ! go on! go on ! sus ! so ! were reite-
rated from all pates of the I louse, mixed with hnz-
zaing and hissing. Mr. BR•il AM maJe several
efforts to speak, but the noise and confusicn were so
great, he could not be heard, and after combating the
storm for nearhalf anhour,during whicithecould only
how and scrape, he at last retired. Mr. FAWCLTT
next came forward, and, if possible, the uproar was
redoubled. After many vain attempts to engage
the attention of the audience, he also was obliged
to retire with no better success. A call of Manager!
Manager ! Kentble ! Kemble ! was thee reiterated
from all quarters. The Manager did not apnea'',
but Signora STOR A c e presented herself, and was re-
ceived with thunders of applause. She was per-
mitted to sing part of the first sung ; but the noise
and riot were again renewed, and all retired. After
waiting some time, during which the noise did not
abate, Signora STORACE again came forward, arid,
after many vain efforts to obtain an au hence, she
burst into tears, and was assisted off the stage by Mr.
FAWCETT. The cries of off! Of! Manager! Ma-
nager ! !Goble ! Kemble ! were now resumed with
increased tigoar. Mr. FAWCETT a second time
endeavoured to rain the atten:ion of the house, hot,
for .t length of time, to no purpose. He was az last
permitted so state, " that Mr. Kesszse was pot in
the house, but had been sent for, and was expected
every moment." Thus did the noise and clamour
continue during the remainder of the first tit, and
the second commenced with no better prospeet.
At length Mr. )(ENIES. came forward; he vainly
endeavoured to aura& the attention of' some
part of the house ; he alt rnately addressed the
Boxes, Pit, and Galleries, to no purpose. Some
Gentlemen in the Pit spoke to him for a short
time, which appeared to give great offence to :he
rest of the house. lie retirei in his turn, and Mr.
Haan.'m came forward, and was again r•bliged to
retreat. Ms. I. EMBER returned with a letter in Isis
hand, and was allowed to say, "Mr. liwenoor
received this letter from Mr. Bs sa• la, at half past
nine o'clock on Thursday." !here the noise was
again revived ; a cry of " Rraham! Krakow ! ex-
plain! erplain!" followed. ‘V.th s.ane
both Gentlemen came forward together. S:ll..nee
being obtained, Mr. Barran addressed the House
nearly as follows
.• Laois.. AND G . en,
" For these four last a..asons, dw iag which I have h.d the hos ;
nour to perform in public, it has been my most ari tows
end thefirst object of ,is heart, to merit a receive year aperro
batioa. (A ens &plum the lea n ! the polar ! I ; !de
peon !") It has been the practice, tine immemorial, for veal
form ers. w hen they took begt, to nataridtare so..gs frost pima
other than the tine advertised, eel • •nt: to make the bill the"'
more attractive, but to gratify their own friends I have dans
it in several instance: at the hencit of Mr Lewis, the Trea-
surer, surd my own benefit, I intrnel..esd The P. tae .. I sale
s wetted, and cannot find any pree-dent to the cositr iry ref ti:ie
practice. Savona Stamm advertis.,l some se..gs from The
Cebi..t to be intrrel.,4ol at her beeet•t: this wet inserted is. :fill
pudic papers 12 or 14 times ; 3151 on Sunday the 2uit re March.
I was informed by the Prioters that Mr. Ke.nb!e would r. .1
permit therm Songs to be mein 'hied in he /WI; of the 11 nu > :
I felt nitieli hurt at this, and cons.dered it a pers•nal insult to
myself, as I had been the comp.oer and singer of those s.,nes,
reinniistrated, and received a note frum Mr. Kensble,
that he could not suffer these songs to ba intrudit,7,l: a eons-
Malli,llllo4l continucd between Mr Keinhle, Mr Herres, end
mystlf; and, on Thursday morning, I felt t I hal tresws S.
Mutated, it was necessary to send i•I my maga ditto. by waich
I have tacriticed 40(A. of my engagement, and my hrs.:mitt,
usually brought tnot. I sent the letter at half post ano
stn Thitriday morning, time colonel' to make the arrang.soicuts
for thu evening's entertainment."
This address was received with thunders of ape
plause.__

I

• Mr. KILMILE then said, that it was always the
wish of the Managers and Proprietors of that
Theatre to give the Performers every privi-
lege they could possibly even ; but he was
well assured the candour of the audience would
make a wide distindion between slogs taken
from pieces which the House was in the prac-
tice of performing at the time, and those he curl-
sidered to be dead Operas. Here Mr. KENIIILL'S
voice was overpowered by the clamour, and he-was
obliged to withdraw. Mr. BRAMASI and Signota
Stole Ace were afterwards received with univcrs al
applause ; several of Cle songs were encored, and the
performance ended with general approbation.

For reasons not easily attainable, perhaps at the
present sra, the Month of /bird has been deemed
by some more particularly adapted for conterrirg
the Fool's Cep : it is not to be doubted, however,
that Thousands of Adventurers will have the Wis-
dom, through the whole of this Month, to pur-
chase Tickets and Shares, in by far the iichrst and
most interesting Lonely ever announced to the Pit!--
lic. To delay the Possession of Chaitc.., until the
next Month they will assuredly themselves,
as was nototiously experienced in the Two last L'n-
teries, to a very considerable Advance of Price;
conduit that would indeed merit the teflettion of
April Folly.
About a month ago, Captain Dawson, of the
Williamson. of Bridlington Quay. walked out in the
morning, before brealcast. saying he was going to
transact soma little Waif/CIS with a neigh', )ur re-
ve.fliaA a ship in which they were coneer.rxi, and
not rettirning so soap as was expeaesl. *very possi-
ble enquiry was made after him, but hitherto with-
out the least success. Yesterd iy fortnight, has
wife. who had been inconsaleebk tor his a.n.mce.
stabbed herself in the throat with a In-nitrite. AA
after lingering under the efre.is e: the wound for
some days, expired yesterday sclinight. Thu..
yowl children, we andel stand, are thee, is all pro.
babtlity, ber:ft of two partrits.

I

'impoompoliY.
standing the im •
slistinß o
le men will not b An jinn'
ces for some ti 3 edly, TI
or an hour to I " re be perm
d less now. He adverted to gradual
by the Right Hon. Gentle. fore,. "
(ministration, and said dun to give
of concert : he ccitalliarithat to our di
Administration ea 54113114 measure.,
m. Gentleman bestowed,*
ming forward with this new oat of

be .ntenaea -
men, the ad. t
eeded urn,
r name of a
sitould the
expire, and
ision ? Why
that retreat
-as so earn-
Greeds Ca-
WAS a great
iplete foilure
tem hitherto
; and the
rf it, was not
That Bill
tte of I0,00')
ang inimedi-
ive been et.
not comprca
opposite to
tined of the
consistent's•
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ius nhj 'et '
'stable e,
fable Toe
oke I !ct had
we had in
.4 die coun-
ty were not
irposes of the
necessity at
herefore the
of doing so.
denten, who
oppose b to
it. He did
!city of those
Slave Trade,
advocate for
t objea both
4 he believed
sch ere.: it for
id on the at-
, he had only
disguise that
at addition to
nee, must, in
'ter of corn-
ititution ; and
ounties would
J be ovally
Ary sexvice•
words in ex-
called very
Ile cxid, it
m any farther
ansvr‘r to the
not a virtual
,fit bad tlave
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