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fore he hoped the House would not now agree to
;„,:y alteration thereof.
Afer a few words from Gen.PORTER, in expla-
nation, his motion fur postponement to Wednesday
seninglit, was agreed to.
On the Motion of Lord FOLKSTONE, and af-
ter some observations from the SPEAKER, and
from Lord TEMPLE, relative to matters of form,
leave of absence for two months was granted to
William Hussey, Esq. a Member of the House,
that be might remain in the country for the benefit
of his stealth.
Lord Folkston. presented a Petition from certain
Tanners, praying to be heard against the Oak Bark
Indeionio nil!. Ordered to lie on the Table, and
to be printed.
Lord TEMPLE rose and observed to the House,
that as several Tanners seemed to have taken alarm
as toe Bill which he had thought it his duty to pro-
pose, and as such alarm did not appear to he of a
nature that was well founded, it was his wish to
on- id/ parties concerned, an opportunity to inquire
siother into the merits of the Bill which they con-
co, ved tended to injure them. It was, therefore, his
intention to move the postponement of the second
reading of that Bill to this day fortnight, in order to
give the House full time to consider the question.
The Noble Lord then moved, and it was ord:red
accordingly.
On the motion of Mr. P. MOORE, Bowyer's
Lottery Bill was read a third time and passed.
On the motion of Mr. VANSUTTART, the Ex-
chequer Bills Bill was read a third time and
passed.
IRICIT ELECTION RILL.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT, pursuant to his notice,
rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend
the Elertrin Ad for Ireland. In doing tl.is, there
were only one nr two points to which he needed to
draw the attention of the House. In the former
Ad there was a provision relative to the swearing
the Commissioners, but none in regard to swearing
the Clerk employed to take down the proceedings of
the Committees. He wished, therefore, to intro-
duce a provision to this latter ellen, as the duty to
be performed by the Clerk, in such case., was gene.
rally of the first importance; the greatest accuracy
was reignited as it was pocsible that the decision of
the whole proceedings m:ght ultimately turn upon
the point of the Clark's accuracy or inaccuracy.
The alseration or omission or a single word by the
Clerk so employed, might alter the decision. In
tie Bill; he was about to bring forward, he should
propose, that
neither the Clerk
tenor the Commie.
the have right to ; and also that
the Committees here should hare a rig!it to order
such books. papers, and documents, before them,
as they might think necessary to de-term:le the
point in dispute, in the same way as they had in
Ireland. Another point tipoo which he meant this
Bill to touch, was relative to the fees of the Clerks
employed upon such Committees. The fees had
hitherto h..en at di rate of sixpence for every 72
Words, which afforded an inducement to the Clerks
to protrattl the proceedings to an unreasonable and
u eras leogsh t us.l•ed, it did so happen in one
Kltaion case that c ime within his knueleolge, that
the oietk employed got no less than 4001. for his
trouble. On these grounds, therefote, he should
propose to reduce said fee to threepence instead of
sixpence for every 72 words. Another imperfec-
tion in the or;ginal Bill was, it was not perfealy
deer whether cit not it was the intention of the Le-
gislature to require every charge to be made good
by proof at the time of stating it. It so happened,
in one case, that out of 400 chatg•s originally spe-
cified, only 60 were afterwards made good; a proce-
dure which he should propose to hare considered as
frivolous and vexatious.
The loaner AEI was then entered as read, and
the Right Hnnostrable Gentleman mewed I,?are
to
bring in a Bill to alter and amend it accordingly.
Mr. WALPOLL moved—" 114 the time allow-
ed for the sureties on the Petition horn the County
of Londonderry entering into recognizauces, he en-
i led to Friday nest. "_Ordered.
BRITISH ARMY.
. Lord CASTLEREAGH rose, h 1 pnrstrince of his notice upon this subjeCt. " Before," said his
Lordship, " 1 address the House, nod particularly the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Windham) oppo-
site, I shall preface *hat I have to say, by observ-
rug. that I wish not, by my present Fuocedure, to
excite any argument, or create unnecessary discus-
ItiOn- I shall merely confine myself, Sir, to stating,
very shortly, and in a manner not calculated to re-
ek- oppositioo from the other side of the House,
the several points upon which I have fek k my
duty t • call for int;.,rma ion. The first point then
; assresped io the .sclual effective sttength of our
Arany. inc/using Militia, and also Artillery Corps,
from the frth of M .rch. WI: the lest period up to
which returns had been made to Prdiament) to the
Ist of Jan. J 607, inclusive, dist nguished under va-
rious Zoids, and distinguishing the force, at home
and abroad, at these periods, to order that the
Homo might asce- tarn whether die Army was
really increasing or diminiailig. The second point
on which I shalt ask fur 7nforpscion, is relative to
the sources by which that Army is to be kept up; in
order that toe House may see, whether those
sources they were it ernerly in possession of, are
enolinoiog to increase or to diminish; and what
sources of supply they ought now to rely upon, as
losing likely to keep up the Army to that standard
which the military policy of the country may re-
qure. These are the outlines of the principal
• • ° r wish for information, as to the
and the means of supplying it.
- other two pants upon which
necessary to have some inform:tee
to the collateral supports of Oro
:aletilated to ssrenothen it, and
I mean the effedive sireni;th or
y stood on January I, 1806,
1, for the purpose of ascertain-
the present day ; and also the
in regard to tf,e general train-
It is certainly molt desirably,
should be adopted in rogeid to
'der to render them mote corn.
the Jrlence rd the country ; Litt
till this nrormation be laid
to me Training bill, I tool:
former day, to apply to the
t some inform-460.) ; hut
tlistatauly tv Mrs or to the

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House. than the answer which I received. It was,
indeed, a matter of astonishment to me, how such a
very general and vague reply could be given by one
of the Ministers upon such an important sidled.—
It appears, therefore, still very uncertain, whether
or not any step has yet been taken in consequence
of the AR which was passed last Parliament for
the training of the populace. I muse therefore,
be under the necessity of calling for an Abstract of
such instructions as have been issued by His Ma-
jesty's commands to Lords Lieutenants of Counties,
so consequence of the Ad for training His Majesty's
subjeets. I call only for an elesteett of this infores-
ation ; but when it is before the House, I shall feel
it sny duty to state my opinion very fairly and
openly to the Right Honourable Gentleman oppo-
site, upon the whole of this important measure.—
If I find that the information which this Motion
will bring, does not give me a more favourable opi.
nion of the efficiency of this system than I have yet
colleeted, I shall certainly not think it consisteet
with my duty, to permit that foundetion which the
Right Honourable Secretary has chosen I.)r his
system—l mean the change in the Mutiny Aet—to
pass unnoticed. I shall then certainly bring the policy
of it het; ire Parliament; because unless it can be
shown that his system has, in point of feet, greatly
increased, and rapidly too, our military force, it is
evident that he has sown the seeds of the ultimate
decrease of the British Army. I shall then, I say.
think it my bounden duty to endeavour to restore
the Mutiny AR to its original purity, as beino an
Aft by which Great 13rilein has long been estehled
to meeitein inviolate its liberties and independence,
against the efforts of i:s enernite."
Lord Castlereagh then hanJed his several Zdo-
tions in writing, to be read horn the Chair.
On the question being proposed on the first one,
Mr. Secretary WINDHAM rose, in answer to
the observations of his Lordship, and said.." The
Motion which has been proposed is liable to objec-
tions, on account of its conveying, too much error-
oration to our enemies. No information, it must be
acknowledged, ought to be withheld horn this
House, but it is impossible that the enemy should
not reap some advantage through the medium of
such returns as those now sought for. When the
Noble Lord first read this Motion, it did not seem
to me objedionable. or at least more objentonable,
than any other of a similar nature. Former re-
turns, however, were less liable to objenion, as they
only embraced a period of six months, whereas this
one is proposed for a period of twelve.; besides
which, it would give a view of our force to our
enemy, in four situationa. which I cannot think
would be proper. It therefore falls to me to per-
fonts the disagreeable task of opposing such returns,
without sense modification or alteration. Ido not
wish to withhold the information. to the extent re-
I spired "out of any favour to myself, but from a
sense of the duty I owe to the public. I think.
however. >hat this objection might be remedied by
the Noble Lord confining himself to such an ex-
tent of in/ionisation, as would not disclose any in-
formation that might prove dangerous to the Coun-
try. I think the &era of his Met ton goes to stat to the enemy. what is the state of our
force io re-
gard to West India Regments and provincial Corps,
in a manner tntally uenecessary for tee objet in
view. It would inform our enemies, for ist.tance,
what force we are possesseJ of in Nove Scotty, and
what is the strength of our bitch regiments in the
l' West Indies. On the whole, the inconvenience will
be found to be so great, that it will much more than
enunterbalance the convenience the Noble Lard
supposes would result from it."
Lord CAS I'LEREAGH" I perf ale softie(
the wisdom of the principle, that nothing theulJ be
called for by Parliament, that can be wide use of
by our enemy, its any part of the world ; and I
herd no difficulty in stating, that this kind of in-
formation has been, for some years, carried much
farther thee true wisdom ought to have deflated or
allowed. I remember, in point of fah. that a return
liablen mide et Perliement, in a thape precisely
to the objeetion which the Right Hon. Gentle-
man has stated. It shewed no: only the distribu-
tion of our army at home and athrusid, but theit.
numbers and particular stations were due:l4lly
stated, in separate columns, upon paper. / think
tors, that the enemy can procure too much informe-
tine from publications which have been Allowed.
not only in regard to our garrisons, but the aetual
distribution of His Majesty's navy. This, indeed,
is a procedure, which it is desirable to see a period
nut to. The Motion I have made, hu`siever, is not
liable to such objeetions, as it only called for the
geeeral distribution of the force at home and abroad,
anJ uot specifying tee particular colony or Wend
in which any past of it is stationed—a oecessery
piece of information for Parliament to be ponessed
of. The enemy cannot thereby know which is the
most eligible place for him to attack us. As the
whole military system of the country has been al.
tered, and as the House were responsible for the
success of such alterations and supposed improve..
mem+, it is necessary that we should be possessed of '
•
every information, previous to our being called on I Several neutrals have arrived in the Downs from
to judge of the netted benefit like:y to be derived i holland, which announce, that the Embargo has
from former measures; or of what is to be knee .1 lona taken off in she Dutch ports. Some of them
regat d to the Winne'''. and the Training of the
I also ao,ree in stating, that at the time they s tiled, a
Country ; or to determine if nothing at all is to be
done. My Afotent is merely for a se turn of the ! report was prevalent in Holland, that a great beetle
gross force, a rpLci,,s rf information which Paella- had been fought between the French and Russians,
meat cannot dispense with."
in Poland, that it lasted three days, and terminated
Mr. Secretary IVINDHA el—" in this 1 •
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motion he oely for a general return of rate force in favour of the Russians, who defeated the enemy
abroad, yet it seeciees, in particular, the number of with great slaughter. The Dutch newspapers,
our Bleck Corps, which denomination immedi- I
however, up to the eth inst. are silent upon the sub,
points out the spot in which they are sta- .
ziu, as there arc no Black Corp. but in use West Jeet. In the present state of the press, in Hollentl,
Indies "
Lord CAS FLE REA G H—e I have no ote we do not indeed even to read an early account of
eetion a signal defeat of the French in the Dutch papers ;
underto class the fence abroa.l 'older the more
general title of ' k•oreign, I. teal, and Black Corps,' and but if a battle had taken place, we cannot suppose
tree head."
that it would have passed without notice; they state,
from the Chair
The SPEALIER read the following motions that several divisiotts of the French army have crossed
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the Vistula, but that no affair of moment had
That there be 144 64ot* the House a It .t!o•rt of the
cif:ichly •eitetli.e yrenNih or Me MAjestv's Mortars For. e, taken lace. We must presume, that the in-
chiensue .114 lb• G.I"Y. rffiK (iu• rd., 1"14""Y "h the it;"'e creasing strength of the !Weems, as they fall bark
Ciarrstun lisaeloons, Veter,o liattettons, Yoe. opt awl LU'a I
Curry (...,,,n.. L.g.u., j.,,c,,,,,, ~,,,1 1,i,,,, Ni,l", ~,,,4 .1„, epen their own resources, has made lintra PANTS more
thesoleo.,ning the fecce At i 1•0811.• ass,l .6,44, front the let „f
cautious in his advances. This is tolerably evident,
Match is 6, to the let et J.inii.irs ta.l.
A Return ior diesseatti:s erfi.tias strength of Artillery. se I in his care to throw up euttenchments upon the
Engisteem, to the ssass par4,4l. mast tistitnuisltusg slims as . , .., .
Big, tile Vistula, and the PlAieW a caution not
home, as,l that ::trra.l.
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THE BTU TISH P4E SS.

• lA)N DON,
TUESDAY, .lAnvAut 13.

Loan GlaaavoLt.c stated last night in the Fluu‘e
of I.lrds. that the Treaty lately entered into be-
tween (hie Country and America, and transmitted
for Rvifieation, contains an article respecting the
Slave Trade. We may presume that it is 411 Article
in favour of its Abolition.

The new recruiting system is to be fully and fairly
t►ie.l on its merits. It has been considered an expe-
riment from its commencement. After a reasonable
time, if it is not found to succeed, the measure will
be abandoned. Some additional instittaions and
advantages are on the eve of being issued.

Our Plymouth Correspondent mentions a re-
! mour which we shall be happy to find confirmed.
but which we fear is unfounded, fla states that
the Ferrenr, which arrived from the Straits, has
brought en account of the annihilation of the French
force in Dalmktia.
Admiral Louts, with his squadron, has passed the
Dardanelles, and is cruizing in the Black sea.

the Id of Jannary lam, to theta of hurler, 1807, exclusive
of Vueln Or C. 310.141 Levies, disivogurstring Ils IllJt 1114 V.•
beat Liken from the Militia, and those tamed under the .1d
chttonal .Force Ad. •
COpt• of cud* o,ders and Iteguditiorwlts hove been issued
since last Parliament, for the biter regulator.' of the Army.
and irnpronng the condition of the Soldier.
Abstract of the Strength of the V,lihrtecr Corps, Com the
! lit January, ltitdi, to the I,t.LISIUJry, 15,7, dislinguiihisig
Lr
fanny forni Cavalry ; and also seer:dying upon what terms their
Services have beers rereiverl.
Abstract of such Instructions as have been issued to tho
Lords Lieutenants of Counties, by Iles Majeit)% Command,. soul such proceedrner as have been taken in consequence there. i of, fur the purpose of training the people.
All these Motions were severally agreed to, with-
out much additional observations. Before the
passing of the last one however,
hlr. WINDHAM ststeJ, that the Noble Lord
must be sensible that there is a great deal of civil
detail, which it was almost impossible to accelerate
by the exertions of those in office. The first step
was, the taking of the lusts, which it was impossible
to cat ry through in the course of t -.umtner. Fu-
ture circumstances must determine the proper time
for further proceedings under the I. The ap-
proaching spring would certainly be the must eligi-
ble period for adopting other steps. The Privy
Council are put into a state, that they only regulate
themselves by the discretion left in the Ad to the
Executive Government.
MARQUIS WFI.I.IESLEY.
Lord FOLKS I'UNE, at an early part of the
proc‘edings, and previous to Lord Howick being
present, gave notice, that he would, on this day
fortnight, move for the reproduAiou of the Papers
relative to the Oude Charge against the Marquis
%Vellestey, which were laid More the House, and
printed hut Session.
Lord 110WiCK having learned that such a no-
tice had been given. lose, and called upon the
Noble Lord, who had given such a notice, to state
Papers?
Lord FOLKSTONE said, it was not his inten-
tion immediately to ground any proceeding upon
them. The House were aware, that Mr. Paull, the
Gentleman who first brought forward that business,
was, at present, a Petitioner before the House, and
he (Lord Folkstone) thought it right not to do any
thing in the business till such time as his (Mr.
Paull'.') seat was decided, as he was the most eligible
person for the further prosecution of it, from his
very great !neat knowle,lge upon the subjeCt. But,
as it was de.irable that these Papers should be
ready, in order that this new Parliament might be
informed upon the nature of the business, he (Lord
Folkston?) had, therefore, judged this the most pro-
per mode of procedure in the mean time, so that the
charge might be brought forward as early as possi-
ble. If Mr. Paull should not be successful in his
Petition, probabq either he himself (Lord Folk-
stone), or some other Nlember, wutald think it pro-
per to prefer some measure upon them.
Soar coiversation took place upon this subject,
betwixt Lord HOWICK and Lord' FOLKSTON E,
wlnc.i it is nee gess tub detail, as it ended in Lord
Fo.kstone persisting the notice he had given
being correctly in order, and consistent with isms duty
as 4 Member of Parmiantent.
The Malt Duty Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed to-mterines—A rj,rurned.

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