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that the present period was way &rateable to all kinds of improve-
Linn. it was t:Ot many days since he heard an linntntrabit lien.
Henan state in the ilwese„, that the delays in the Court of Chan-
coy would speedily be rectified, anti that it would be followed up
ty other improvenit nts. And why should not the Principality of
aisles be included, when improvement was so much wanted there
The pigeon Bill appeared to him both useless and pernicious, and
he would therefore propose that it be read a second time tnis day
61: months.
11i. JONES observed, that the lionourable Member had stated
the Bill to be both useless and pernicious, yet he had attended tile
Committee which had considered that Bill, and had formed an
acute member of it. He (Mr. Jones) thought, that the lionutte-
able 31enitter had not read the Bill with attention; if he hail dime
so, he must have perceived that all die evils of which he coin-
plefued were proposed to be remedied by it. Two county ineetitigs,
and many other minor places, bad petitioned the House in favour
attic Bill, and the ditlerent Grand Juries of the Principality had
expressed similar sentiments ; and surely, alter this, his lion.
/friend had said too much in saying that it was a Bill marked ort
tor abolition by all classes in the country. The lion. Member had
aimed that be had a plan--and this plan was to divide the Princi-
twiny into two circuits ; but was it tag to expect that two Judges
should travel north and south over the country, to try perhaps forty
cause %to the number to be tried seldom exceeded this ? Can
It be supposed that any professional man in England, ut a.y emi-
nence, would think it worth kis while, to come down and traverse
these six Welsh counties, for the sake of any honour or emoltintent
they would produce him? The lion. Member, after a hew other
erbearations, concluded by giving his support to the Bill.
Mr. ALLEN rose to explain.
tit C. COLE thought, as representing an extensive Welsh
rouniy, that be should not be doing his duty if he guttered the (he-
rniation on this Bill so pap without expressing his full conviction
that the Welsh Judges had ao right to seats in that House. lie
*idled to s:e the system of judicature conducted in Wales o t the
same principle as it was in England ; and he considered that the
saute teeliap of jealousy and independence that excluded English
Judges front seats in that House should operate to the exclusion of
Welah Judges.
Mt. W VNN stated that he was as desirous as any man of assi-
milating the ~alicature of the two countncs ; but he telt that there
were obstacles in the way of this which were almost innunnount-
shle. lie had hituseit known, in three counties on the Welsh
circuit, where there was not a single cause, but still he was anxious
that the Bill shouhl proceed to a Conuniuee.
'lle Gallery was mew cleared for a division, when there appeared
rur Oe second reading It
lot the annweinest . IV

SI iderieg
The 11111 was then read a sieonal time, anal ordered to be cow-
tr.itted on Monday neat.
MUTINY BILL. _ _

Mr. T. COURTESAY fwattihtmiTtli; Report on the .31utioy
TD.. . .

On the question that it be agreed to,
Mr. Ut ME said that he would postpone his observations on it
till the thitd reading.
/Ir. SYKES expressed his abhorrence of military dogging, and
said, that It was a barbarous relic of a barbarous time ; that it was
not sanctified by usage, and ought to be abolished ; it was nothing
mere than an anatconind experiment as to bow lir the human body
was capable of laceration ; its effect was to deter men of honourable
feelirgs from entering into the aroty. Men were tempted by drink
to enter into disarray, and then this punishment was indicted for
tie repetition of that offence by 'illicit they were seduced. It very
frequently bappeas that in cases of courts martial, the prosecutors
foe the judips : tan an instance that was within his own knowledge,
where a item was actually Bogged to death fur stealing spoon, ibis
was the case i—a verdict of wilful murder was retursed against the
parties on the Coroner's Inquest, but this verdict was never acted
en. Ue thought solitary confinement might be effectually substi-
tuted foe this species of punishment. He under food, and wished
to be informed further oil the subject, that when a soldier was
fagged, his pay was not only stopped but that part of it rent to I
provide dinners for the officers.
Colonel DAWKINS begged to correct the representations of the
Non. Member for Aberdeen, who had stated that the inhabitants
of Westminster were cisturbed by the cries of the soldiery while
suffering from cermet punishment. He had inquired into the cir-
cumstances, and bad found that for the last six months there had
been but une instance of the infliction of corporal punishment, and
sliat for the six months previous there had been no case at all which
bad been visited by it. ho much for the statement of the lion.
Bendier (Mr. flume). But be (('olonel Dawkins) did nut wish to
court popularity, and he would nu: Lis opinion, that ate
discipline of Me Army 'could not be kept up without it. iet tau
mischief could result (rout it, as his Royal Highness, the Com-
Ounder-M-Chief, had died limitations to it, her which the whole
frit the army felt towards him the greatest gratitude.
31r. lICJIE said a few word', m which he denied that the credit
of limiting corporal punishment was due to the Duke of York, but
It was properly owing to his Honourable Friezd the Member for
Al iddkaex.

stir H. HARDECOE begged to sty a few words on what had
dropped from the lion. klemustr opposite, respecting the stoppages
from the pay of the soldiers being applied to furnish dinners tOr
the ollie.as. This money never found its way into the stock purse.
The lion. Member must have received his instructions trout sonic
military informer, who bad furnished him with falsehoods. lie
despised, for hiinselt; the charge. On the subject of punishment,
he admitted the annoyance to an officer of witnessing it, but until
some eubuitute was discovered on the other side, he could not con-
sent, pirtienioeiy on arnica, to rink (heaths:johns of *regiment
by abandoning it. He might on a future night airs some Aux-
micas in support of the system.
Jr. .1. siM ITil congratulated the House upon the prospect be-
fore them, since they were hereafter to learn from the biallant Otti-
ceruppostts some lessons upon the adva:nages of flogging, which no
military officer had is yet condescended to afford ir.em. lie CM.
testi-A that in no cameras corporal punishment the most CffiCaCIOUS
punishment.
Sir 1!. lIAIIDINfIE explained.
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Mr. OLNNET said, it 'did happen to him last year to have
remised the same infomudion as tile lion. Member for Aberdeen,
and from the saute person.
Colonel TOWNIMIEND said, that for six months the reveil-
les had rot beat.
Mr. B. MARTIN said that as he had been accuser! of incon.
sisoency on this subject, he wished to explain the cause of the vote
he then 010131 t to give. Had corporal punishment been as preys.
lent as It was formerly, he should have voted against it, but it was
sow of very rare occurrence.
Lord PALMERSTON said, that in this instance the legisla-
ture bad assigned the sofecommand and government of the army to
the Crown. The preventive discipline was always the best ; and
one tmt Mthe excc lencyofarcgiruent'sdiscipline,istheunfrequency
of such a punishment.
Mr.llOllllOl'SE explained, that on a former night he had rot
complained of the beating of the reveilles, but the people of %Vest-
minimr wore induced to believe that it was adopted in order to drown
dispels. that arose from the eels of the soldiers.

Sir A. HOPE observed. that military flogging ►as neeesairy to
maintain the dimipline of the army.
The Report was read and screed to.
INtiOliVkiNT DEBTORS.

The amended insolvent beinsrs' Juli was read a second time.—
Ordered to be committed en Tuesday next.
CUSTO3IS DUTIES BILL.
The Report of the Silk Customs Duties Bill was brought up acd
Teed to.

'fie ,liWusz adjourned at half-past Twelve o'clock,

LIST OF THE
Of Nineteen, ,ho voted again►t the Second Reading of the Bill to
continua the system of IVelsb Judicature.

Aldsorp, Vise. Kennedy, T. F. Smith, Robert
Bennet, Hoe. IL Q. Lennard, T. B. Webb, Colonel
Buxton, T. F. Lamb lion. U. Whitmore, W. W.
cronmion, B. Mona, J. B.
Enns, W. Ito/sell, Lord J. TS LLLLL .
Grattan, James Rice, T. M. J. H. Allen.
llobhome, J. C. Sykes, D. Joseph Hume.
Janes, W, botidi, Jobs

ORDERS OF TIIE DAY.
County Oads' MlL—Further consideration of Report.
I:61111 JAWS ItSped Bill—Committee.
Vap and 31eans—Conalellton.
J4lllOl (Scotland) Bill ;—Second Reading.
County Courts Bill ;—Connuittee.
Clergy Residence (Ireland) Bill ;—Further conaiderath n of Re-
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