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lied-teen subjected to restrictions oTa similar kind:
'but the Legislature discovered the impropriety of
their continuance, and they had been abolished with
advantage. h was now discovered that the buyer
end 'teller, .the borrower and lender. should be left
to iluireliiiirp_sp.l)arttiLts without the interference
of the Legislature. The melt was sure tolte the
*ems tiocoof thei .lakit supply ' fee.tbe public in every
autide-.8 bt..Ft ihi.. r"..--.7.=.:;.---•---.------7—.-----.-:
.Mr. cA ica A irr, Telt- diffidence at "Itat7ieg St I;Fs.
pose so' great, it.:etts,At'of authority., hat he con-
fessed, he . eettald,oot tensove his prejudices against
•llit Bill.. filicaeaumeirt•wasolat the borrower could
not be benefited by the Bill. At-to the case of
bread, which ..had bein quoted, he thought it-by
'lament!" tootirtble, to the arguments for the Bill.
There was an sone on Weed, stud a maximum was
fixed beyond which it was unlawful to raise the price.
Tire' law which' iegtilated that ,assire had been re-
pettiest,: but the .pnblic had derived no advantage
from it. Thetiesize, ego a protection to the con-
sewer—die Vit3te Loos were a protection to the
borrower.;. the , commitoy had grown to prosperity
wider them t ' it would• perhaps be said, in spite
of them.. He would take time to consider the
;augljecT.,„ kind: ecurie.,to the discussion with his mind
Inorrotiompletelyi,Made,iip. Fits main objection to
!gl'e Bill' Aellvtlist .at would unsettle all existing
'money transactions; leaders would have their minds
thrown, into a state of feverish anxiety to get heck
their money, for the purpose of letting it out at a
larger ittterest,
Mr. RICA RDO thought that the House were con-
-siderailly obliged-to-the Learned Strjeunt for in-
troducing this Bill. The question had been melted
us though the lender had power to demand and get
any rate of int.rrst 'whoever, except restricted by
law. But the:borrower would hove es much power
to keep Justin the rate of interest as the leader
snood& hare to keep it up. Supposing the ergo-
. turret of the Hun. Member for. IVerelism, as to the
'repeal of 'the bread te!si2e, to be true (which he en-
tirely doubted), • he dented the priliciple.in theory
which had been assuined. The restriction*, when-
ever imposed, must have been ass improper de-
viation• fr.n the original principles of free trade.
He said, that, the otjections mode to theory would,
if adopted, lie a bar to all improvement. For the
prirent he wished to take tip no more of the time
of the' Ilouie. . He lied great experience in the
snooty markets.; he could safely declare, that the
laws which the Pill wept to repeal, were a. dead
letter, and Wholly inoperative in those markets.
Before and rjoce the war the interest of money had
been_ under live her cent.; but during the war it
rose to seven., and was at one period fifteen per
rent. notwithstanding the prohibitions of the law,
Air. ROBING made his acknowledgments to
the Leitrim& Serjeant for bringing in the 811,
'which was likelY to prove of great benefit to the
country. This was the moot proper time for doing
so, us tine rite of interest was low. The Bill would
have been ropch more objectionable at the time .
when thisAftree.,of, interest was considerably above
5 percent ': .The effect or the existing laws had
been very,. pernicious to the landholder during the
war—interest was above 5 per cent. The land-
holder
*its, prevetptcd from borrowing at so high a
rate.; GovErouiesti paid a much higher interest.for ,
spofrlein . unit t landholder' was driven into the
hands bf the
..tiliiirer. The party which would be
lietjedted . inoaLby, the Bill was that of the land- .
-bade?" stilt! coiiritr7 Gentlemen who might have
-uccii_sio4flo kiwonit.
• Mr. MONCK said, that the House was indebted
tCthe iferysediSeijeaut far bringing in this Bill.
17rtsr ()nay; were the last remnant of the old,
'lntern If raele gisletion which had been left by
itos
the* AngeeWire for the regulation of the various
nite?ed ri
sf: ,ftiere were formerly amazes for bread,
beer.stlit wages of labour, and almost every thing.
By degrees they had got rid of them all lon the
Usury Laws, dnd he trusted tbat the present Bill
• wools' rentpyetheni. He maintained that the re-
peal of
.the maize on bread hail produced all the
good psopost;d. Never was there so much compd.'.
Una in any article, and never had the public been
supplied so well and so cheaply. The labouring
people hail
_been enabled to rat more bread than
ever, while they got it at a cheaper rate.
[-rive was then given to bring in the Bill.
Mr. J. P. GIANT wished to know, as there was a motion
for the second reading of the Timber Duties Bill, which was
likely ter cows! o• late, if the debate was to be taken on the
isemiud'vierliwigme is the Committee'
Sir. WALLACE hoped that the House won't] allow the
Jlliktil be read it, secomltime, sad take the discussion no
Monday, when it would be committed.
lAfr. Alp. GRANT said that lie would, on the Report
lacing brought 'op, mere for the recommitment of the Bill; is
order talgadinie the fkiisse agate to consider some principles
relating to,the Timber Danes, which had not been treated
wills fanciest nitration.
Idr. J. if. SIITTII brought up a special Report of the
Committee_ acpoihted to consider the Petition against the
Calfingten-iaietioto. ',bleb stated, that Mr. Maberly had
hen soissisiosed to aidesid the Comma i lee, but had been cont
pelted to dardivie onsameouns of ill health.
Sir.Whitarisl, *yeah:al gentleatao, was brought In the
bar; and being interrogated by the SPEAKER, deposed
that he bail bees is atieuclance on Mr. /limberly wiihiu
the leschalfboisr--Imit he left lion in bed in a state of indii-
pediroa' from whist. be was not likely very soon to recover,
se to is be.able lo steed the Committee.
Mr. J.
,11,,1, .§Plf-TH then moved, that Mr. Maberly 'be
exeusedhr bin num-atteadasee ou the Committee this (Inv,
sad that bls furthero)tentlance on the committee be dis.
tensed with. - "• - ' - • •
• The motiontwllMiieseed ter,
Mr. Serjeant (INIILOW mewed for leave to bring in a
/lilt to facitieete liswadasission of attoroeys to practise., idler
haring attaisred, the degree of B.A. is any of the Universi-
ties, Thaler's), of 'Ma motion were tt fur leave to bring in
a Bill twelier sfid'adit.eld I Acts fur the rtgulatiou of
Inanity, aeddotieitnes."—Leave granted.
...111r.forierset.ONSLOW moved fur leave to bring in a Bill
• to regulate apasoomices on Sills of F.:change.
'Mr. SC AR I„ElT neui.d.o She mutton.
Mr. BA Kt ?ail:aided that the HOT ',Zooid provide against the
ere's of iidairdstinduits in the Coot' f King's Bench, which
went towdeprivw the helders of bills of ezi hange of all seen-
vicy, *kith the mamas of alielieceptors sad endorsers were
supposed to pelvt.tio them.
Mr. scoisrr adatitod the extent of the alarm while
that -decision had gi,eu to the Mercantile interest, bur
Itithalthl tkerthere leoulvtiov 'nothing easier than to encore it
by the prueblowrof the Nil doing away thereby a mitre.
spoodloottoeree of featatoir jratoosystloco was entertained '
by the name forties to the Bill propowd by the Learned
Serjesui. •.. , .
Mr. V;OAMPIIRLL said a few lords, and the monies
was greed to. • '
qplelTll.lFltsATlpff OF ORDNANCE CLERKS.
IlbliArgiry tit ristiot 'to make good his motion, .
wp Oftre ;of the imOurtance,otthe subject,' and
wislOd thift It hid 'fallen into abler bends. He hid I
been led to undertake it elueolt involuntarily by

‘C. •••
the inquinet
.briltauF!d
into the exiiindll3os, OriftedlidiFe. He
to offer the Asbiedt" In. two points
,of new :-
First, as constitutional question, How far perions
holding civil offices at the will of the Government
should be allowed to remain in possession of their
elt%t ties frinchiiio—Secondly, Flow fur waste and
extravagsoce were Jikely to ensue is the attempt
which would be made to
.use the resources of any
one of the depoirtinents, to keep up the influence
set ich the heads of those departments might possess?
His attention had been particularly culled to the
case of the borough of Queeuborough. He call-
ed to the recollec.ion of the House the observe-
. lions which he had been induced to submit is few
weeks since, during the discussion on the Ordnance
Estimate', respecting the freemen of Queenbo-
rough, who held numerous offices about the esta-
blishments in and near Sheerness. By the infor-
mation of papers which bad been laid on the table,
he found that every department of time Ordnance
.was perverted by electors of Qtreenborough. The
most meritorious individuals had been displaced,
to make room for their appointments, or to firs.lll-
- their progress to the superantissation list—that
list being clotfly filled with the mimes of freemen of
Queenburruigh. The object of his motion was to
exclude them from voting at elections, by a similar
rule and for the very same reasons which excluded
ell other servants of the public in other depart-
ment; from the enjoyment of the elective pri-
vile.ge. He found that this n'sll riot Duly the
principle, but the practice of the Coortitution.
Many statutes had been !leased for the regale-:
lion of elections. Ile divided them into three
classes—the lst class were for the purpose of
detereniniog who should he considered as duly qua-
lified to be returned as members; time stri class speci-
fied what pennon were to be precluded from voting;
the 3d determined against the interference of pit-
ticular parties being exercised in elections. The
principle of all these regulations lie took to be the
same, that of guarding and pressmen% the'Houst
of Commons from any undue ii,floence, whether of
the Crown or of any other party. He took a re.'
view of the statutes, commencing with the 7,1) of
William and Mary. The Old George 111. was car-
ried by a considerable majority of that House,
end upwards of one hundred Members went up
with it to the Lords. It enacted, chap. 41, that no
commissioner, collector, supervisor, or power, its
the Excise departments, should be allowed to vote.
. It enacted the same regulabons for the Customs de-
partment, and that of the Stamps. The principle
.inculcated was the necessity lor exclodia„re all per-
sons who held offices tit the will of the Crown, or
of parties, under the Crown, from voting at elections.
Postmasters-General, deputies, and all clerks of
post-offices ; masters arid mates of office packets,
were excluded fur the same rruson ; land-tax tom-
missionets, who received no pay, and holders of
. patent places were not thudded, because they
were considered as heing not subject to the
influence of the Croon. lie might be told of
the danger and injustice of depriving the people
of their elective rights. It was no deprivation
of right which he proposed ; it was only a
condition that while the parties held civil offices at
the will of the Crown; they should forego the exer-
ci.e of a right which they could not exercise fairly
.and impartially. The 22.1 Gem,. 111. had been car-
ried by 87 to 12, The Bill hail been framed in
pursuance of that jealousy will, which the cosistitu-
non requited the influence of the Crown upon that
1-lous. to be watched over. The 43,1 of Geo.
extended the provisions of Ciro. 111. to Ire-
land, so satisfied wits the Legislature upon expe-
rience of the usefulness of the latter Act. The sth
. and Makty provided *pima soy collector
or other revenue officer from makilig use of his
office, or otherwise persuading any freeman to give
his vote in any particular way. The lith and 13th
William 111. extended the same principle to the
officers of customs. The 7th Anne extended this
principle to the post office ; the I lib Anne to the
stamp department, end the lido Anne to the salt
and all other departments of the revenue to which
the tauter Acts did not apply. It was nothing
new in principle or practice which be sought in re-
quiring, the o.duattee clerks timid officers to be put
on the same footing with those of all the other
offices. He trusted that the Bill would he allowed to
pass. Various statutes might be adduced so slow
the great disposition there always existed to prevent
this enormous iuflitence. According to the 5.11 of
William and Mary, all Comatissioneis of Revenue
were excluded. At that time the iluostion of ex-
cluding certain persons from Psrliastretri, occupied
the public attention considerably. Their object at
that day was the same as.hts now, sianiely, to pre-
vent too many placemen and liett•ioners limn sil-
ting in that liouse. By the II th and 13th Wihlirn',
Commissioners of Excise. Comptrollers, and vari-
ous other Office's, were prevented from either sit-
ting or voting fur Members of Parliament ; and tee-
cording, to the lith of Anne, to which lie preyed the
particular attention of the flimsy, all Com-
rois-ioters, Sub-Commissioner', Comptrollers of the •
army account.. Ile ntelitiotied all these *Litotes
to chew their extreme anxiety to guard against in-
fluence. lu fact, Do individual employed in any
manner, so as to he influenced directly or indirectly
by the Crown, should have a vote.. He had guise
through a variety of statutes, in order to ivake him-
self more intelligille to the llouse.. tie bed er-
dravoured to posit out, first, theme which regular
the persons that shall not vote ; secondly, those
who shall not meddle or interfere in the election of
a Member ; aml thirdly, those Mho shall not sit.
He should How endeavour, baring alrefin the Ono.-
ciple, to point out the mower its whirl' this influ-
ence may be exercisild. • lit 1894 litrtt; was u min-
ion in the bo.ough of Qaertiborought sod then
there were not oste,tenth the iturnbisr ul.foreniesi in
the borough, holding unit:twin the Ordnance, that
there are at present. At that .context there
were .only, seventeen licrsolie. In a subsequent.
one, when Hunt. and 'Villiers, and Col.eliteliester,
were candidates, there were 51t0. The House are
not.probably await, that thr 601110 of all freemen
born its Querolsorough ore leers:ten; so that the
wives of the good freemen of (a)ingorleorough come
from all parts of the country to brie forth yousig
freemen to that borough.—(,l present
the ',umber of freemen, mid also toe soil. still rela-
Aires of freemen, holding ullici a in the 01E1u:ince. the
preventive, mid other services, mitounis to 190.
(Near, hear,/—The Cooporntion of this borough
also deserts pa:•tcular utteulion. The worthy

giyor or
ottion of the
ling oysters i
manager of

gentleman is manger
House of Commons. There was also a Mr. Gregg.
Who had .coni.iderable control in the borough, and
his brother is Rade barge-master. Col. Dickinson,
too, who was not born a freeman, through the in-
fluence of Mr. Gregg has obtained a seat amongst
the Corporation, and has become one of the prin-
cipal managers. Various other officers might be
enumerated, to support his assertions. There was
tio department that seemed to shun inquiry snore
than the Ordnance ; every obstacle slid impedi-
ment was thrown in the way. But he was deter-
mined not to give it over, and before the Session
concluded he should be able. lie was convinced, to
make some discoveries.—/Cheers.)—He could per-
fectly understand the smile of the Master of the
Mint--

Mr. WELL LEY Pout rose to order. lie
should wish to know rrotu Mr. Speaker, whether it
were trot disorderly to make these personal allu-
sions.

Mr. SPEAKER thought it was not nut of order
for au Hun. Member m [mike his observations *is
cheers.
Mr. WELLESLEY Pots denied that he had
cheered, and therefore the allusion was uncalled for.
Mr. Hume resumed. Ile should be the kit
man to make any allusions that had the least ap-
pearance of personality ; but really the ecatacy
which the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. W. Pole)
seemed to feel at his statements, quite prevenied
him from proceeding.—/Hear, hero./—The Hon.
Gentlensan then enumerated a variety of indivi-
duals holding offices in the Ordnance who were
freemen of that borough. The servants of the
thrill:ince are all well housed, and comfortably
kept too, in • limner indeed much above their
oituationv, and would it not be contrary to the
principles of our nature to suppose that a man
and' Ills family kept and supported in this mummer,
would not be influenced in his vote ? %With re-
spect to Sheerness, he would suy, that if ever there
was a subject that loudly demanded the attention
of time Meuse, it was the abuses of the public
offices at Sheerness. Some short time ago an in-
quiry was Mali uteri, stud although not one-tenth
part of the abuses complained of were proved, still
there was euough to have many of them ()bonnier'',
which very persons have been again restored through
the baneful influence of Qiieenhorough. There
was one particular case to which he prayed the at-
•tention of the House. William Alen' had been a
' storekeeper at Sheerness. In 1818 he was ail-
''.'perationsted io consequence of not being able to
discharge the duties of his office, and was succeed-
:eel by a per**, of the name of Thomas Pennell,
aged 74 (near, Itear.)--This appeared to bun
to be the grossest of all gross cases. This was a
solitary im.rtanre, but if he had permission-to go
. through the various offices. instead of orders lacing
given to give hum every impediment, he should; he
hail mai) doubt, be able to produce many more of a
similar description. Coastal there be possibly as...
More wanton inconsiderate waste of the public.:
money, or rather a greater violation of the "prineW
pies of justice ?—( Hear.)—From what he hid
the House might form a pretty fair notiottof What
these two seats cast the country. The sum total.
I expended amongst the freemen of Queenboroagh,.
amounted to 2.5,0001.—(Hear, hear./-11sving
gone so far, lie should now endeavour to explain to
the Heim the manner in which this influerregis
exercised. He held in his hand a list of sib
tern persons who were disinua•ed fromt theiea
places fur the mere purpose of waking room foir
others. Julio kiens'ey, at Sheerness, with at ware
and five children, was dismissed is February, 1818,
under a plea of his services not being necessary, and
shortly after was succeeded by Jam. a Rolorison,,
aged 48. Now there was a regulation actually in
existence, which stated that no man should be ad-
mitted into the Ordnance after 45 years—(Hear)—
but the misfortune and the crime of lieusley was,
that lie did not happen to be a freeman of Queen-
borough, and the other was. Samuel Smith was
discharged at the same time, and was escceeded by
• George May, aged 58 ; and John Lee, who was '
fourteen years in the service, was difriOraleil to make
room for inn, aged 53. Jame Eagle
was superannuated limn the nave on a pension of
40/. e.year, and 'non after, he being 70 years of
age, entered the Ordnance, and was superannuated
on an additional pensioti of 161. a-year.—[The
Ilan. Gentleman then mentioned a variety of other
cases of a similar description.]—lf then lie bail sue.
ceeded in oinking himself welerstooll—(Hear,
Iseurj—affil that the (loose felt the abuses existed,
they could tint do a better thing than endeavour
tip remove theee gri.-vancea, and permit him to
being in his Hill. Ilia object was not to impose
any haribiliiii• tin those gentlemen, he merely sought
to put them oil a level with the cirstoin-lieu,e, !NMI.
office, and ether departments. It', on the umber
the Ileuse should be of opinion, uftrr time
fligrant abuses lie had, stated, that they should not
agree to the Hill, all lie had mu say was, that lie would
be moat happy at any time to give Ins support to
Bill to enable the AtlminiStratiott to upwind the
two Members for this borough.—( Loud chters.)—
His only object was, in mime trouble lie had taken, to
effect some saying in the public money; said it
would be a sating. of 0,000/. of the public pulse,
to permit th&Mester of time Ordnance to nominate
the twit Representatives. The Hutt. Gentleman
concluded 11 movieg—
" Fur leave to bring in a Bill to disqualify certain (mean
has the Ordnance from rating in the electiou of Members of
Par liamesit.--e( MIK k cm: ()Gabon )
Mr. BERNAL sem:idol the motion. He said
be supported it, not on the ground of economy
alone, but with a view to support the freedom and
purity iif election. As tie iustance 11. support of
the staleineial ml' Lis flimintrable Friend, he
might eddiree the Liureugh of Rochester, of whieli
twoity-tive freemen belunged to the ms_
tablishmeet. Ile did not mean to say GOVMIIIIIIt lit
should nut have certain niflurrice to exereive, but
it should lint be earl led to too great au extent. They
should take care that the current of their iiifluesice„
which was givrit fur their support, should neither
two flow nor become comrupt and stagnant; they
should endeavour to support their power by meri-
torious measures, and nut by mere money. On these
principles it was that he supported the motion of

• his Honoorsble*riend, to which he gave his most
hearty etincierepre.
1 Mr. WARD said that in rising to oppose the mo-
-1 tion, he felt some difficulty to determine with what
part of the various statements of the Hon. Gentle-
man he should begin. Impression., of course,
must be made on the House by ex porte state-
ments, which it would be his duty to remove, and
for this purpose perhaps the more correct mode
would be to pursue the course which the How.
Gentleman himself bad thought lit to adopt ;
rod here he could not avoid remorkinie, that if the
Hon. Gentleman were actuated by no other motives
than those of supporting a great constitutional mea-
sure, he would best have effected that object, best
consulted the wishes of the House, and best sup-
!sorted his own character, by yielding to the re-
quest of his Right lion. Friend (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) to postpone the motion in the rib.
settee of his Noble Friend (Lord Castlereagh).
The Hou. Gentleman, however, was the test nudge
of his own conduct. flaying premised so much,
he would now crone to the principle of the 11:11,
and to this he should object in !amine, fur nothing
could be more unjust than to impute corrupt
conduct to a meritorious class of mete whose
characters stand far above such insinustionr.—
Because the lion. Member had, as he supposed, a
positive case feminist the Ordnance, his first act of
legislation would be ritiiiiitig counter to those prin.
espies of reform of which the Hon. Member had
professed himself so fund. lo the discussion on the
Newington Vestry Bill the Hose Member had 41e-
dared himself the determined opponent of it, be-
cause it took away the franchises of individsials, yet
he now came forward with a measure which had no
other object. The whole of it was founded on
what he should call a false supposition—a supposi-
tion that the stidnoduals employed by the Ordnance
and in the navy were subject to influence or intimi-
dation. With respect to the navy, it was very well
known that some of the must determined opposers
of the Administration were returned by the votes
of persons employed in the meal depsement. He
wuuhl instance the boroughs.of Great Yarmouth
and Ipswich ; the election at the latter place
was carried by the men from the dock-yard.
Those were certain instatices which lie knew, and
he doubted not that many others might be cited. He
defied the Hots. Member to sheet- a single instance
of intimidation of persons under the Ordnance
Board, the Gl:pos.4ll6ly of exercising the elective
franchise was always afforded to them, whether
they voted oil the one side or the other. lie be-
lieved there was in his office only one esrson who
was possessed of the elective franchise, and lie had
been ittfurnie,l that be was a radical reformer.
Ile lid inquired if he was a good clef k ; and be-
leg answered in the affirmative, he never thought
of iiiterfering with lain on accooot of bits
politics, but had given hiin leave of ale:Puce three
tittle, to go to M;ndstistie to give his vote to *owe
lion. Gentleman, whose object it might be to re-
move him (Mr. Ward) ft:sin his He beg-
ged, in tins stage of the tegument, to make *hat
he couselered an important distinction. He
(Mute-Wird that it.flJeloce was nut interference.
,b,fluence seas what could not be guarded ugainst,
.it was established even by the laws of Indere.
'From the influrpre tesultilig from character, from
,hope, or fear, what could shield them ? If the
persons possessing the influence didalot come for-
.ward to use it, to interfere then nu harm was done.
But could the Hon. Member prove the whole of the
° cases which he had brought forwald of ;serious
who he supposed had beets influenced,still it viciald
ilse no- reason- for disfranchising otlorr persons who
pied not been SO influenced ; because different
nsemleers of the same family were employed under
the Ordnance Board, the Hon. Gentleman infers
that all were corrupt. Now he (Mr. Ward) would
suppose that every one of the electors of Queen-
borough were employed by the Board of Ord-
nance, and yet he would deny that to be
any reason for disfranchisitig them. 'lite fie-
'lineable Member, to be consistent, untie carry
his principle snit further, and prohibit Boy
salami having his truant vote for I . SO t!.e
tenant* of great landholders, like the Duke 4.f
Bedford, or the workmen of great manufacturers,
or the odentrers of the distracter and abilities of the
Honourable Gentleman on the other side should,
Ise prohibited voting!, or else, according to the
Honourable Membei's principle a corrupt influence
would be exerted. He believed the Honourable
Gentleman did not see the extent of his own• prin-
ciple. it was a mere Utopian notion, which no
practical Statesman would ever couteenance; or else
it was a mere party trick, to inflict an injury on in-
dividual. who had been found inconvenient. The
flon. Mends. r then referred to the period when Mr.
Crewe's Bill for disqualifyitig persons employed by
the customs and excise from voting at elections, was
passed, aaid stated, that a similar suet:apt to the
present was ni.de lour years afterwaids, which the
piesetit Lord Grenville amid the lute Mr. Pitt then
opposed, on the ground that sufficient had been
done for reducing the influence of the Collo.
He affiened, that the influence of the Crown at the
present moment sus no more than sufficient to
maintain its relative position, and that balmier iu
the Constitution, on the maintaining of which pro.
biddy depended the fate of the country. The
Queenborough case in the history of the Ordnance
seas not new, yet notwithstanding the reiterated
complatuts fur thirty or forty years past of the its.
fluence of the Ordinance, in 18.20 the seats
were ravished from the official Members, and
Mr. Princep and the Honourable Members fur
Cove try were returned. Sir Samuel itormlly too,
whose character for integrity and purity was comise-
crated in the recollections of the country, twice sat
for this stigmatised Borough ; once with the in. I
flue nee of Government, and once against
Would a man of his spotless character have had
any thing to do with its representation had it been
so corrupt as it was stated? lu 180 Q, it was Mr. Sar-
gent, the Secretary of the Treasury, who opposed Mr.
Prince', awl the other Gentleman, also went down,
us was understood, with the interest of the Ordnance
and Navy Boards, yet they cdtild rot succeed: The
Administration winch followed, contrived, its 1806,
to make their candidate succeed, although Vrscount
Sidonouth could not. lie did not pretend to sae
how that was, but he had no doubt it resulted from
that legitimate influence which lie had described.
He complained that the motion of the Hon. Mem-
ber wens insidious ; he wanted (because 14D electors
of Queenboroogh were employed by Govern.

tneA to disfranchise upwards of 0,000 persons,
land deprive them of their birthright as Eng-
lishmen. The motion was insidious, inasmuch as
it purported to be direcied sonnet the Ord-
nonce, though they now found by the avowal
of the flonourable S,emmomier, that it way in-
truded to go to the whole of the of lees of the
State. He could-otot but think it was a gross
inconsistency of the Honourable Member to al-
low placemen to sit in that House, }et wash'
wish to prevent their voting for the election of
Members, us if, being tiiiihr influence %tidal out of
the House, they would iot be .uhiect to it 'rho when
in the House. lu Itito2 a goat number of persona
employed by Garet mimeo voted optimist the Ad-
ministraitomi, but sot one of them was turned out
I for it. The lion. Member then enumerated 'eve-
rat instances, and named the parties who had so
voted. if this were true, then what became of the
. charge of interference ? and tf there *RS nothing of
that sort proved, there was an end of the crise
The Hoisoumable Member had stated the [mintier
of persons employed by the Ordnance; but
in fact there was a maj.irity of the Freemen
of Queetiburongli who were not to employed.
Accordnig to information which he had received
there were iirja freemen, of which the total number
who could be influemiced by the Ordnance was
; so that there were 163 not employed, leaving
• tuition'', of 34 voters who were limit employed.°
What became then of the Honourable Member's.
general reaso g. when even his premises were
unsound? lie would now take leave of the
first part of the liminorahle Gentleman's argu-
ineut, mid address himself to the particular tropics
which be had descanted on in his mood style
of exaggeration. His first posit 1111 l wits, that places
were created for the purpose of employing the free-
men of Queenborough, hitt lie hail not given one
single case, amid lie (llr. Ward) denied the fact alto-
gether. He contended that the Interest uf the Board
of Ordnance st Queenborough woad nature I interest,
and erect-moray grew out of she expenditure by the
Ordnance estalrlishmerit there, whirls establishment
was absolutely iircesiiary at Queenborough, from its
contiguity to the great naval depot at Sheerness.
He thought that in fairness the lion. Member
ought to have given him wotice of the particular in-
stances of rualversation to which he bad alluded,
and not have given merely a general notice. 14.!itls
the imperfect preparation which he had, lie would
proceed to observe on those instances selected by
the Hon. Member. (his first case was that °fat
man who was lint a voter, who had been em-
ployed ten years and then dismissed to snake
roots for one who was a voter. lie thoirglit
that according to the Honourable Member's own
I chewing, he was entitled to claim some credit
for the Ordnance, corrupt as they were represented,
for having employed him so long. He was mimed
Kensley, and was foreman of the labourers at the
Isle of Grain. The Board, in 1818, had it in
couteniplation to put down the powder maga-
zines there, but from .the difficulty of finding
room for the woes one man was obliged to be
kept there, the rest were dismissed. It afterwards
appearing that one mail win not sufficient, another
was appOliltril. Kensley had applmed, but was
told that the appointment was too intended tq be
permauelit, but that they would note him for the
first permanent foreman's place which fell.—
tie asked in the mean time to be employ-
ed as a labourer, which request was granted. Suture
then the whole of the establishment at the hie of
Grain had been ton down. Thai, therefore, was the
first case a ',erten, was kept fns ten yeas who had
oo vote put down, beerinse the whole establishment
teas put down ; but was then noted, and still was
rimed for a ',emollient situation of the same
sort which lie hail before held. Tne next
case was that of John Savery, who, after his,
dismissal, asked to be employed as a labour-
er, which request the Board complied with,
amid be had continued as labourer ever since.
He had nut applied when Eagle was superseded,
and it could not be sopposed that lie (Mr. Ward)
should know the situation of every labourer. He
lied, according to his request, been employed as
a labourer slid was not beard of again.—t Hear,
hear, from Mr. Ihsnee./—At treat that was tie
:recount he had received. The next case was that
of S. Smith; be was dischareed in February, 1818.
There was no employ for him at Sheerness, but he
was rent to Tyner, where lie still remained ; yet lie
had no vote, The ease of Rocklitte road on
a similar footing to that of Slavery ; he bad not
applied. Of John Page's case he was utterly igloo
root. With respect to the case of the clerk who
bad been appointed aftew he was past the age of
forty-five years, contrary to the established rule,
he could nut speak precisely; .bat iu many cares
where persons were so appointed. they had been
before employed by the Ordnance, in which cue
the ride did not apply. He denied that be had
ever stated, that be would discharge any clerk
who should give the Honourable Member (Mr.
Hume) any information. He had s.mid (in answer
to an observation of the Honourable Alemnber,
that he (Mr. liume) tvonlml send a person down to
Sheernem to measure the tonnage of a vessel, re-
specting which lie *num! theme was an error),
that if the person was permitted to go on board
without thepertnisoion of the superior officers lie.
should be discharged. The Member stated
the vessel to measure 36 tons, and nut 56, as statist
iu a tenon laid on the table. Mr. Lawrence, the
nester eltipwliglit at Sheermiess, had since
it, mid found ;it to 56 45-94th too*. The Homan-
able Member was. mistaken in the amount of
Mr. Breeze's salary at Waltham Abbey. the
amount was not so large as lie bad elated (Nlm.
flume spoke across the table). As it was a
mistake of the lion. Gentlemetis, he should make
no further obersvatton upon it. Another position
of the Hon. Geutlemars'a was, that every •officer
employed at Sheerness laid let his house. The
store-keeper, for one, never had let his house. It
was an irregularity certainly, which was now reme-
died, but be did not know that he should have re-
fused permission for any person to have lived
one mile and a half from tlie scene of his em-
ploy, had such permission been asked. The
case of the Gentlemen at Sheerness, which the
lion. Member had formerly alluded to, was this
—they were accused of pilfering COlll6 and wood
from the public stores. From information which
had been received (not in consequerice of arty
thing which the Honourable Member had said),
the Board bad thought proper to appoint a Cow.

its hotough, who regulates the Whole
! borough. *fiends half of Ebel'''. sell-
ie He had heard of a
f the Hbuse of Commons; but thh
is inantiger of the borough for the

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Mission to inquire into it, Ilpho aid rot a weeic, and
examined several persons as witnesses (indeed
they almost advertised for evidence). Savory for
one was evamined, and he pretended to have kept a
book of what was done in the office, and he chose
to say that the officers had taken coals and wood
from the public stores to their own houses. On a
rigid iuvestigation, they were fully acquitted of the
charge, raid having been suspended during the
inquire, the* were now restored.to their situations.
The lion. Member had returned to his former mis-
take about the storekeeper at Dover. He stated.
that Mr. Langley, au elector of Queenborough,
had been appointed to that office with a salary of
3001. a-yrair, but he stated it as if he was a new man
introduced into the service to corrupt Queen.
borough, *herrn he was an old storekeeper,
who had been many years in the service, and
received the appointment at Dover after his return
from Verdun, where he had been many years • pri-
saner of war, the salary having been raised in the
middle of the war flom 1201. to 300/. Another
storekeeper, of the name of Deakin, to whose case
the Haas. Member had alluded, was superannuated
on full pay at 76 years of age, after 36 years
service.—(l.'haers from the Ministerial Beaches )
And who was it that was put in his place?—the
next offieer on the same establishment, who had
served forty-six years on that same spot, and, being
a hale and hearty man, as he hoped to see the Hon.
Member at the age of 73 years, desired that he
might not be superannuated, for that he Was in
good health, aiid able to du bis duty ; and his was
a claim they had found it impossible to re.
list.—/Lope/ deeriag.)—Was that, he would ask,
a case which warranted the introduction of this Bill

which went to dispossess so many pertains of one of
the dearest rights of Englishmen ? There might be
a few more points in the Honourable Gentleman's
►peech on which lie had not touched, but he should
not detain the Hasse by any further observations,
as he felt that sufficient reason, hid already been
stated why the Hon. Gentleman should not succeed
iu hix mourn,.
Mr. Hums said, in point of fact, the Honourable
Gentleman had hardly touched any start of his
argument.—{ Laughter. aid crier of " Order
The SPEAKER ►aid, it was certainly desirable
that the nom ?Member, busing been heard so
►hould confine himself within the eat iblidied usage
of the House.
Colonel DAVIES then spoke in support of the
motion. Much had been said by way of exciting
the apprehensions of those who were jealous of in-
novation. hut he maintained that the motion of his

lion. Friend, so far from tieing an innovation, wits
forward on the beat and most eminent principles of
the Constitution, which always guarded with
jealousy auainst the undue influence of the Crown.
Mr..P.r'hlooax, as allusion had been made to
his ravishment of the borough of Queenburough,
would only ask the Him. Gentleman whether those
who voted for him in 1802, had not been deprived
of their employment under the Ordnance, and
remained so until the change 'of Admirri.tration
which afterwards took place ?—(Hear, hear.,
Mr. TitaNZT said, that as a ground for his Vole
in support of the motion, he had only to eat Allis!)
its conformity with a general principle of the Cbti-
letittilitm, sod he thought that was fully made out
by the Acts to which his Hon. Friend had referred,
whereby persons in the employ of the Customs,
Exvise, and Post-office, had been excluded from
the elective franchise—a regulation which had been
foetid so beneficial, that on the Union with Ireland
a similar law was adopted with respect to that

country. The upshot of all that had paned be-
tween his Hon. Ftiend and the Hon. Gentleman
opposite he apprehended was, that, practically
speaking. the Government influenced the return of
the members for Queenborough ; for it was ac-
knowledged by the Hon. Gentleman, that 129, out
of 290 voters were in the employ of Government.
The question therefore became, how fir it was
Going that such a pnwer should remain in the hands

extended to the Navy Board, and ,to every public
department. The statement on which the Hon.
Gentleman. founded his argument in support of
this measure had been so completely answered by
his Hon. Friend, as to leave no ground fur that pro-
position to rest on.
Mr. Huns, in reply, said he should not have
offered again to trespass on the attention of the
House but for the air of triumph with which some
of his statements had been denied by the Hon.
Clerk of the Ordnance, to which he felt himself
necessitated to refer. The first he should notice
'was that of Savary: the Hon. Gentleman denied
that any application had been mode by him to be
employed in the place of E.gle, who was about to
be superanuated. Now the fact was, he held
in his hand a letter, dated Ordnance Office,
4511 i October 1819, signed R. H. Crewe, in-
forming Smeary, in answer to that application,
that there was no intention to superannuate Eagle
—( Load cheers front the Oppositioal—ond not-
withstanding that answer, on the 19th November
following Eagle was superannuated, and another
man, a freeman of Qiieenborough, appointed in
his place.—( Hear, heur.f —The next case was that
of Ratcliffe, a foreman of labourers, who was dis-
charged after 18 years service, as stated in his cer-
tificate, in consequence of • reduction ordered by
the Board. The Hon. Gentleman denied also
that this man had made any application for em-
ployment, amid said that they did not know where
to find him when they bad employment. Her, how-
ever, held in hi. hand a similar letter, signed
R. H. Crewe, dated October 1, 1819, informing
Ratcliffe in answer to his application, " that the
Board had no employment for him"—(Cheeting)
—and yet they afterwards took into their ser-
vice a man past the age of 45 years, which was fixed
by their own regulations for admission.—(Heor.)—
What now became of the confident denials of the
Hon. Clerk of the Ordnance ?--(Load cheers.)—
The Hon. Member then proceeded to recapitulate
the state of the influence of the Board among the
voters of Queenhorougli, skewing, that at the last
colitcsted election, out of 'tit/ voter., 160 voted for
the Ordnance candidate, and 60 for the opposing
candidate; that of the former, 147 received among
them 14,766/. annually of the public money, and
several others also received various soma, which,
with the allowances of coals and other perquisites to
freemen in the employ of the Ordnance, rendered
the annual cost of the borough to the public twenty-
two thousand five hundred pounds.—(//ear,hear.)—
He called upon the House to extend to the per-
siiiis t mployed by this Board the principle of the
Conslitution, which disqualified for the exercise
of the elective franchise individuals holding dices
of emolument at the pleasure of the Crown, which
was only the same regulation as already existed
with respect to the Excise, the Customs, the Post-
office. and the Stamp-office.
Mr. WARD and Mr. Hums severally explained,
after which the House divided, the numbers being,
Ayes
Nuts

Majority against the Motion.. 58
• • MALT TAX (SCOTLAND).
On one readmission we found the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER moving, that sill the Petitions
presinted to the House daring the last and the pre-
sent Sessions of Parliament, complaining of the ad-
ditional duty on malt in Scotland, as tending to the
increase of illicit distillation, lie referred to a Com-
mittee to inquire and report their opinion thereon.
Mr. 11. G. BfirrisErr made some obaervation,
which we could not distinctly hear from the noise
of strangers entering the gallery.
Mr. GORDON and the CHANCELLOR of the Ex-
CHEQUER said a few words each.

Mr. MONCIE said that the-English agriculturists
were as much entitled to con.ideration or relief Its
those of Scotland. The repeal of the malt hoz
would he brought in again next Session. If the
Scotch Representatives would join the English Gen-

of Scotland. Fie would, howejer, Vote for the
motto°.
The CHANCELLOR of the EtcntOumt sad that
the case sf the English districts, the soil of which
was of poorer quality, would, of necessity, form
part of the inquiry of the Committee. The tuo,
lion by no means implied a positive promire of
alteration of the duties.
The gallery was cleared fot a division, but
the motion was carried without dividing. The
Committee was appointed accordingly.
On our return to the gallery we fitund Mr. M.
A. TAYLOR arguing in support of a motion for re-
ferring the Petitions from • the inferior districts of
England, such as certain parts of Cumberland,
Noriliumbeiland, the %Vest Riding of Yorkshire,
Wales, and the county of Cornwall, to the same
Committee.

Mr. J. P. GRANT supported the motion, as he
could see no reason for excluding the English coun-
ties, or those parts of them which were ►imilarly cif.
cumstanced with Scotland, from the dire a of the
inquiry about to be made.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, there
was nothing in the case of the English Petitioners
like that of the Scotch—as the latter complained of
an infringement of MI advantage which had been en-
joyed by their country fur uiswarii. of a century in
regard to the duties ou mall, amounting to Sd. per
bushel. . • „
Sir R. FIERGUION reminded the Howe that the
Right floe. Gentleman had of his own accord, and
without mentioning the subject to the Scotch Mem-
bers, broken in upon that advantage which Scotch
barley had been allowed to the application of the
malt dillies.

Mr. GORDON argued upon the necessity of
considering English agriculture with as favourable
a disposition as that of Scotland,
Sir Geoaos CLERK thought that the motion
of his Right Hon. Friend, which had been just
carried, stood on very separate and distinct grounds
front that which had been since proposed.
Mr. MONCK could not conceive why there was
to be more attention paid to Petitions from Scot-
' land, than from the English counties.
Sir M. W. Rint.gy spoke to a similar effect.
Mr. G. BENNETT did Dot entirely agree with
the Hon. ftlembers who had spoken nu this sub-
ject. He had voted for the 'eyes! of the malt tax.
merely because lie was noxious to wrest any tax
out or the poimes.ion of ftlinisrers. He felt quite•
sure, that unless the House could empty the
pockets of Minister., they soukd hewer have their
hands out of these of the country. He rather
suspected that the motion of the Right Hot,.
Gentleman was intended to assuage the opposition
which the Scotch Representatives were able to give
to the measures of Ministers. Asa Minister had once
been cautioned by a large borough patron, that
• there were seven of them," the Right Hon.
Gentleman might feel with respect to the Scotch
Representatives that there vette thirty of them, and
so be induced to take some extraordinary step to
secure their general concurrence.
After a few observations from Sir G. Hill, Mr.
W. Smith, Mr. Lushington, and Mr. Lefinard,
the motion wus negatived writlitnit a division.
PENDULUM, WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
Mr. D. GILBERT rose to move for the appointment of
▪ Committee to lake into consideration the various superl-
ative and improvements which bait taken place in de.
sermiaing the length and Variations of the Pendulum,
sad also the varioua reports of Committees hitherto ap-
pointed by the House for inquiring bito the existing system
a weights and measurer, with a view to the establishment
of a general standard. He begged leave shortly to notice
the labours of the Commission, which hail originated the
ground, of his present motion. He recapitulated the nu-
merous improvements made of lute in examining the pea.
datum and determining its variations, the result of *hie%
was, that the vibrations were sow calculated with • degree
a accurst, truly astonishing. As to weights, the Cone-
alissiou bad taken extraordinary lamina to, discover the origi-
nal troy pound, and he was happy to. be able to state that
They bad succeeded, and that the troy pentad, which wits
Asielently the only standard, bore such • relation to this
pound avoirdupois.-, as enabled to determine, ly the vela-

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MAJORITY AND MINORITY
For Reduction sn ilie.Expeaditure of the Liviti Department
of the Army Estimates, Wednesday, April It.
••
MAJORITY.
[Those marked • have places under Governatent.j
Atwood, M. Domaine, Sir C. Monteith, H.
*Arbtithout, Right *Daudet', Right •Neale, Sir H. B.
Hon. C. Him. W. *Plumber, John
Alexander, .1. • Ellis, Thos. Pitt, W. M.
Rradohaw, R. H. Fyne', H. Prehell, Sir T. B.
Bridges, G. Fellowes, W. H. Prendergast, R. G.
Browne, P. 'Grant, Rt. H.a.C. • Rilinerston, Lord
• Browns, lO.Ha.D. Gasirosne, Isaac • Pole,
•Bureh, Sir U. •Goulburn, H. Pierre, John
•liatliorst, Right Holfortl, G. P. Powell, E. W.
Ha. B. Harvey, C. •Robioson, Rt. Ha.
•Beckett, Rt. Ro.J. Hothain, Lori P.
Blake, R. •Huhster. W. Rocksavage, M;rig.
Broadhead, T. H. Harvey, Sit 8. Sliaw, Robert
• Beresfurd. 14 G. •Hupe, Sir Wm. Si, ntt, .1. H.
•Copley, sir J. Hulse, Sir C. *Somerset, Lord G.
•Cruker, J. W. Hart, G. V. Scott, Hon. J.
Cooper, R. B. Hardinge, Sir H. Trench, Hun. P. R.
Corks, Hon. J. S. •Huskissoo. Right Towushend, Hoa.H.
•Courtenay, T. P. Hon. W. Temple, Earl
•Courtenly, Wm. Keck, G. A. L. *Taylor, Sir H.
Clinton, Sir W. Lockhart, W. E. •Yausittart, Rt. Ha.
•conereve. Sir Wm. Leigh, J. H. N.
•Cockberii, Sir G. •Lowthrr, Lord Wilson, Sir H.
•Clive, H. •Lusig, Ri. Hon. C. •Wallare,Rt.lll•.T.
*Calvert, John •Loshiugion, S R. •Ward, Rdhi.
Cawthorn', J. F. Melt-tare, H.
Downie, R. Martin, R. TWILLVIL.
Dawkins, H. •Martin, Sir B. •Clerk, Sir 0,

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MINORITY.
[hakes Henry Glenorchy, VW. Palmer, C. F.
Boortley, Mr J. Gordon, R. Rire, T. S.
Buxton, T. F. Graham, Sandford Rickford, W.
Benyon, B. Goitre, Sir W. Roberts, A. .
Bernal, R. Grattan, J. Smith, Hun. R.
Bevy, Vise. Hulse, J. Smith, R.
Chet wynd, G. Heron, Sir R. Sefton, Earl of
Corbett, Pantos Hollywood, W. P. Tierney, Rt. Hn. G.
Creevey, Thos. Hurst, R. Tremayne, J. H.
Crompton, S. Harburd, Hon. B. Williams, W.
Chelouer, R. James, W. Whitbread, S. C.
DeCrespiguy, girl,. Juhusoo, Cul. Wilson, T.
Dusicannou, Vim. Leouard, T. B. Wilson, Sir R.
Dirkinion. W. Lushingion, S. Wyvill, M.
Denman. Thos. Monet:, J. B. SVt.4l,lmuse, Ed.
Davies, T. H. O'Grady, S. Whitmore, W. W.
Evans, W. Phillips, G. jun. TILLER.
Farquharson, A. Parnell, Sir H. Bennett, Ho. H. G.

FOREIGN IN rELLIGENCE.

PARIS PA MIR&

TULIN, aP Ii 211
Private letters Mate, that on the 21st a smart battle was
fought 11,11 f Galata, a ►mall town of Molds/rim, bet wren the
Greeks and the Turks, In which the latter were eumpletely
defeated.

The PrMeru( Moldavia, against whom the Greeks lime
riscri,Mtbe sante who lately punt•hed the bakery of his rupi.
111 in a truly oriental misuser, by tiailuirg them by the oars
to the doors of their shops.
The Laasannef7azelia, of the It, sum " TIM post from
Milan is still wanting. This sudden suspessiou, at limo.
meat when the lesson can cause no obstacle, gives rise to
various conjectures which the cannonade heard on the 29th,
and the position of the armies on the frontiers of Pledusent
mid Lombardy, would seem to explain."
Letter, from Villefranrhe, in Beaujolais, state, that the
Prince of Cisterns has passed through that tows with • suite
.r seven esirisges.
Letters from Naples, dated the 26th, Mate that perfect
tranquillity then prevailed in that city. The public fonds,
which were av low as-SO, had riseu to 58. It is maul that the
King entered on the 27th.
Letters from Piedmont state that the Austrian troop am
concentrated on the Terinii, and that they are preparing to
pass that river on the 18th and 15th of April. According to
the latest accounts from Chambery, only about 300 troops
remained with the government of that town, the rest baying
joined ►he troops of the Junta. Some arrangements have
hero adopted to place the town out of the risk of a coup-
de-maiu, or to repre►s soy pupuiar movement.

MADRID, MARCO! ?9,

Extraordinary couriers of Government set out the day
before yeaterday for the Cabinets of France. England, Sonia,
Prussia, and Austria. It is said their dispatches relate to
the events in the Italian Stales.

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• •'
Place San Carlos, and the plate di t cister •n. Al eight o mutat
this carahi neer. neve adianciig by IWO di meat steeds t OP
place di Castello, ohms they were ited aeon at stir rat 41611.
r charges by the soldiers of the refitment of cUrmandria."6"
which one earabioeer was killed, cud weirsl swinged. at.
ihough this is all that is peaititely..knows on Jim mtbirrl, it
is &tattled that the earabineers'irere the test aggressors, tau'if_
that they had prelacies(' killed two owirliews of the tegioesit
of Aiessaudria. Tie populace tereirett warniog to vtilbskatar
from the spot ; but their eel-Cosily gut the 'triter yr 14,tie
airs, and in consequence fuer of tiwnt Were klllcd gw.l'
others wounded.
tURIII, ARILS.
The following proelanistiou has jest been prated eibree
relative to the teems •of yesterday; 1 °bemire that et wishes
ho meutiun of the issbabitants of Turio kiilrd in this Metall-.
elm!' affair:—

" Tat ottovistougt. UINTA TO !He CITIZEIS.
" The effects of intestine discord, which lots been cailed;
among us, were growing from day to day more manifest,
mid we bate stow to deplore a must unhappy instance of tie
which has. vans place before our ryes. Although the corps, •
of royal earshineers appeared solely occupied dui log the list
few days by their signal Amy, yet certain extriusnliusi y 11110.
isexplicable movements on their cart had created just NO.
pteiou of their intentions. This morning the rumour was
spread that they were shortly shunt to march, no one knew
whither, to some place to witch their Woad had preceded
them ; and remaining all the day closely shut up in their cost-
ten they gave stirrer!' to this and other reports which-acme
circulated. On the other side it was mated that • divisions
existed among them, which might he prodoccee of tortoni
disorders is the regiment. and thence communicate to-the
city itself- The Minister of War, therefore, thought die
presence of some other armed futce eseeutiel to the public
tranquillity, and to prevent the d solders which thiratimeel
it. It was ordered, therefore, fur pecatteion alone, them
two Irrigades of the reflaillii of Ale4l34llfifi4 should lie as-
sembled in the place di Castello. A cousidcrable number
of the carabiseers 'had already traversed the streets
of the city without opposition, shed towards sight
a party of them us horseback, whether through Ira-
priederece or by design is sot knuwu, rode at 'Pall
speed, sad with draws ushers, into the -square, wherre
the soldiers of the regiment of Alessandria were formed.
There rouse among them a natural movement to defend
themselves against attack. A single discharge of fire-melt;,' .
n• our could tell floor whence, took place; it was followed
by others, and to this uufortutrate •ceideut 1 fell trite
tiros. The country groans over the blood which boa bran
shed, and its unhappy causes. The Jima& will do ;veil
thing iu their power to prevent the recorreoce of such fatal
events, mid also to secure relief and succour to the urhappy
persons, and to their families, to whom they bate pruvsd
fetal. Meantime they exhort all good citizeus to concord, to
peaceable conduct, and that they will repel the treacherotra
insinuations of the enemies of public order.
" IiIAItEITINI, President.
" Turin, April 1, 1821."

Count Moncenego, the Russian Minister, set out miter.
day morning fur Modena and Laybarb. 7he Junta has•
Riven him full instructions cuncerning the state of affairs in.
Piedmont, and the disposition of the public mind. It is
hoped the intervention of Russia will suspend the advance
of the Austrian troops. Yet it is supposed that the bull• ut
the Piedinontese army are extremely unwilling that soy con..
cession should be made fur that purpose. The division of
Alessandris, in particol.,r,ha►e resisted it so stonily, that all
the.iartancis of the Junta with that corps, 10 iuduce them to
give assurances of that notate to Moncenego, have proved its
vain. It is the uegocial with that divisiuu (bat has de-
layed the departure wt the /gamier bliaisrer.

THE BI ITISH PRESS:.

LONDON,

FRIDAY; Aram Is, 1641.

The latest advice, from Naples, received through
Paris, are of the 31st of last month. They men-
tion the 27111 as the day of the KING'S triumphal
eutry into his capital ; and they further inform us,
that, at the public levee which he held iparnediaiely,
after his arrival, he was visited by the principal
Nobility of the kingdom and the various public
bodies, all of whom warmly congratulated his
MAJESTY, by addresses and otherwise, on the re-
storation of his kingly authority. 115 MAJarrie
is said to have behaved most graciously to all
classes of his 'injects. We are told, holster,

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Guinn that such a power should remain in the hands Scotch Representatives would join the English Gen- "--,„1;:o•-- "':'' '' ""—"' "'"' '"`" ' "`"""" " in'
Poo irdupoise, as enabled to determinereactly Inc rela- INSURRECTION' IN. TURICITY. classes of his subjects. We are told, however,, 1 j
of the Ordnance. The (lon. Geotlernan had taken 'lento, for the repeal of the tax generally., then, and live proportions of each. This would facilitate the adjustment
LoDuATIwA, MIT 10 shortly to make its appearance. certain CECCDa 1
T--,..........--:iftiesrocuriammoini that in an edict of oblivion, which is expected 1
a distinction between ilifluence and interference ; not till then, would hr vole for the consideration of nf a general standard fur weights, a thing must earnestly to •
4
certainly there was thi- distinction, that the one the particular case of Scotch agriculture. be desired. As to measures, die Commission could make On the 7th the troll::
was legal and the other was not •; hut they both led Sir GEoRGE CLERK supported the motion. ■no nearer approach to ma universal slaudard than that wa11„.,,y y„.y ,_ g as P" snu the buns are to be made of
lubabilante of Moldavia!—We Make known to you that the " ringleaders of the Catrhboosenaraihoploatr.e" "Tilletisi
which bad beer suggested by the French mathematicians.
to the same practical r-.alt. Ile was not one of Sir R. FERGUSON said, he was compelled to of the ten millionth- atof -a degree. As to measures of "
this'clay all Greece has lighted up 'the torch of liberty and : t
uvrieifotrltonunbuttelignot: ontlietthieercdoswoarldtileeie
those who was disposed too much to curtail the in- object to the motion ; browse he corpidered it as capacity, the Commission had discureoed three standard
broken the yoke of tyranny. I riff. r you, as well on my own is an early hint of the veugeance which will,
Burnet. of the Crown ; but he was here called on a boon to induce Scotch Member, to vote with gallons, but which was the original could nut be determined part as on that of my countrymen, who are now here, land
U whoilev i.'
t ed
failed throughuli i
to divide, Ave or No, upon the question whether it Meister,. on. They could discover uu principle in numbers a Web was whom I hive the honour to command, the assurame •nd the 1
likely to have lead the adoption f
was fit that such an in!' letter should remain if, the Mr. MACKENZIE Said. that if the motion was to
perfectranqut ity, and that- ,
had at length resolved on adopting a standard pint " r t 'a * "
hands of the Board of Ordoance, which had been intended for • boost, it had not had that effect, between that of the ordiu• • your persons and prop/ rty shall he respected. You may of the troops, or the treachery of some of the Ge-
ar) be., measure and the Win- (oleosheny roarordinary °centurion's's, w tin, tI •• • 4
taken away from the F:cise, the Customs, and the for he had seconded the motion of the Member cheater measure—ten of these pints to form a gallon. t
quieted by my motrements; for the Government of this •Prin-
Post-office. Ile thou. it it should not ; but what for Essex. The present motion had a more exten- That would be found to be the most general as well as theliberty for [brit • -
vitality will reperieure no change, sod the I*lllB by which )obl
they had to do was to take care that they did not sive bearing then on the interests of agriculture iu moat easily available standard. He said that if the British have hitherto beep governed will rootiuue to be executed. whatof
pretence right the KING eau venture, its cAcould. agree upon these or any better general @medulla,
carry the remedy bevond the grievance; and he Scotland. The object was to discover how far the" I suntre you that Divine Provideuee has.giVell yon in r.
must confess he was c- t satisfied that the measure .extallog du•ies tended to uu meat illicit &sidle- moleir,:gcaaowraathepraepppalo'idnt.teno t
of
adoptt het them.
mHite, con.chltiacelhed
low-
Prince Michael Sozsu, who now governs you, a defender of the face of Europe, to denounce any of his people
"e- the rights of your country, a father, a besefector. He fur their agency iii effecting the late revolution. of his Flout. Friend t! tint go too far. It was not tics:), which had augmented frightfully and data- Woo was agreed to, sad the Committee er,
immediately no- merits all these titles. Quite yourselves then with him to •
perhaps weirdo the a: le at present to snore soy gerously in the northern countie. of Scotland. minuted.
protect the general welfare. If some Turks make an incur- His MAJESTY was himself the boa man in his do-
Amendment, but if I. Bill should be brought io, Mr. J. P. GRANT admitted the specious nature 1/n the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX. tom on your te • fear I fur • • I
territory, nut ling; • great power is aulllarls wla swore solemnly to maintain and defeild
CHEQUER,d -
lie slioultl reetnotrieutl /En beilig limited 10 the of the orguments used in support of the motion ;ready to punish their insolence.
ordered to attend an Election Ballot on the Btb of sothe Constitution of the Cartes ; this vow he 'twist.
borough of Queenbovorigh, as he did not see any but he thought that there was something very sus- hisaYywele Jassy, March 7. (Signed) "ALEX. Y PSI LA NTI." *
evil that could reset from ofPeer• of the Ord- 'actin's in the sadden acquiescence of the Chan- The Report on the Conway Bridge Bill was brought op, The moment this Proclamation was posted up, detach- ed several "'es. to the Parliament, aud openly I
stance being allow. to vole for other places cellor of the Exchequer in this measure, after and the Resolutions of the Committee acre adopted by the mews of troops •ppeared, who drove away or esessaeied the professed himself to be the voluntary champion of
troops that inholuted the town. The people asaembled to fly
where the infloeuce of the Board did not ex- having uniformly opposed it for so lung • yerioa. House. the new iiatitutione. He continued to reside tin
but il P • appeared, d I
to their succour •to rime au I iem
reTsolvii:l itself into • Committee ou the
tend. The Honor ;able Gentleman said, it At the same time be admitted that inquiry was stuTtbreh House
civo !lien
andassuredthem'that thing d quieted . ' Naples for an
would be a great hardship to thrlosiochise two necessary, and he trusted that his Hon. Friends •ih.
HouseLiiist;ing List.—The was agreed to.
Tle Turks without the•town were alai massacred, and i
toe Cortex
was proclaimed, sanctioned every pro- I
thousand persons, who held civil situations would not persist int their opptaition to the ntotion. Mr. LUSH ING lON moved that the Report on the Batik their property confiscated. The inhabitants every momerat •
under the Wanner ; but that wilS.,tt fallacy, as • The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER said, Cash Payment Bill should be brought up ; upon which expect the Russians, who are already coneentreted at Proth, ceeding by his ready concurrence, automated of r•
.great proportion of that number had no votes at that he hall acted in strict conformity with his sense .Mr- WM. SMITH said, that considerable alarm had pre-regiments of infautr and four of (as- .
to the •muuut of els 7 his own lire will to all the Courts of Euro e • I
railed amongst the country in consequence of a I"ek''t . 13 s atla
aid. He could see no reason why the Act of 1782 of duly. He had pronthied last Session that the hio. bankers, - Iss Wallachia, the Servian Theodore bill iiiiiiiiiii Bor ' especially to that of Austrie, 'that the l ' r
report tug gone abroad that no owe pound looter would zevoottiort
should not he aitalied to the Ordnance in the case of Scotch barley should he submitted to par- be issued after the lit of May. This, they feared, would be 7,000 min, attacked the Turks, and stow threatens Bucharest. had beffected
ten by the unanimous desires of ;11
•8:1111e inenner issio the Exeter.; further than that, Ocular conisideration, in order to discover if Scot- • serious inconvenience to them; and Seeing the .Hon. II is said that the canoe of these events is the deespitatloa ~is people, Bad immediately previous to his deparo ;- II
flowerer, he was not disposed to go ; with that land did or did tint rotifer more than she ought to Gentleman (Mr Freese) in Iris place, be should like le know of the Greek Petriatch at Constanti iiii ple. Well.iuforased " 4
men assert, that the eumspiracy extends through, all
the disposition of the Rank. the G;eek titre for Laybach, motored Ins Parliament that lie i .
tinderatanding he skald give his support to the suffer from the Milt Duties. provinces, and that the object in view is nothing less thou The CIIA.NCELL.OR of the
.EXCHEQUER could not
*notion of his Hon. Friend. Sir M. W. RIDLEY. as a test of the sincerity of the establishment of a Greek •
newempire. should never have cotwesited 40 obey the degrudin
foresee my inconvenience reirultmg from it.. IC s 1
M,.
r. C. BATHURST said, lie was at a loss to reemn- (s
the Right Hon. entlemaii, would vote for the I Sir. PEAItSE said, that the wish of the Bank was, that P.S.The revolution extends over . Abe *bole of Moldavia, I SUIDIIIOIIII that called him to answer at the self•con- -e
rile to csonriatenev the declaration of the Right motion, provided the Right HoonGentleman would one pound notes should in the Ent instance be dispensed Wallachia, and Bulgaria, Many Turks have sought refuge stituted tribunal of La back did he nut enteitain
it
in the monistaine. Some bare heats pursued and taken, and
Hon. Gentleman that he should vote for the submit the care of the poorer districts of England with if possib'e, and that Sovereigns would be issued in
tool i• .
with t' d a•that it should li ' • 1 •1•• t If this were refused he
olls the un elstan ing
where.
is 'carried on every Several thousands of men are - suco
pouutl notes In readiness to be issued in Caftans iucoure.teed, as a mediator between hi' peirple *and his
limited to the borouith of Queenlinrough. on the must consider tlit present motion as a boon to the oi._.__ , . ,
oce s ere experiesiceu. - . assembled at Jassy; the greater part are Russians."
*emend principle ; for, as it appeared to him, the Scotch Member'', to induce Them to vote with Mr. J. SMITH said he was quite satisfied with the ex- - - ---- - - Allies, in reconciling the latter to such tamps es
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general principle ought to carry him the whole Mintsters. planation, and he was sure it would be most joyfully re. had been 'fleeted in the Government of *opted Tor ~
ITALY.
length of the proposal of the Hotiourisble Gentle- Sir 11. FERGUSON explained. Ire knew that salved, as considerable uneasiuese had prevailed uu the •
subject. -me- promoting the dignity and welfare tif leis kio I
.. ga owl.
rattan opposite. - All that had -hitherto been re- there was a jealousy among comity Members as Resolutionsl.l,,.
were then agreed to, and the Bill was or- EXTRACTS FROM PRIVATS LETTERS. ' By such conduct the Kids hapwitollyatietiejad him- I
eognisod by Parliament was, that persons any to any observations on the quality of the soil in the tiered to be read the third time this day. TIMM, •PAIL I—(AT NIGHT) self Of eve,-
y right to treat as critwital the of' . s
catty employed is Collecting the revenue should saareml coo-lairs which they represented, but there The Tithes Leasing elin Orelaadj was postponed to Weal- 1 have to announce •a asetaiiebsay event which bas just tie- art pr.
n" be allowed tit vote. Upon that principle were. many counties in England which were as much sesday Next. • coned here. The regiment of Alessandria, which commenced ducing the revolution. - But at ofkiei While he
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, •att the revolution, has been well received by the inhabitants of
it woe, that forty years ago Parliameia thought entitled to consideration and relief as •the poorest continued to' reside at Naplett did be never censure
the House adjourned al HA LEPAST ONE O'CLOCK. Turiti, and illuminations have taken place both on Ibis and I,
Proper to disfranchise Custom-hnuse officers and districts of Scotland. the precediug evening, in honour of its arrival and of its t the measure, but even Subsequelifly totisCOriTer-
excisemen. amid that prisons in the employ of the I Mr. D. GILBERT did not like the principle of Oar Repent of the Lords yesterday, snider the head of caostitistional sentiments. Bet the rejoici' • ngs of this slag': ence with the Allies we find owesproes. too aseirmog
Stamp and Poet Offices had also been deprived of partial legislation. He wished to see the oilier_ g‘ Agrieultusal theism," alatinic that Earl STAIIIIOIIE pre. have had a most unhappy termination. la the course of the -
sera Di from Jo :on, should have read noosing a disagreement arose between the ' him from which i 'of „, • .a..•e
II *A in hostititi.tehlirrt the
their votes. It was now found out that the some rime. even of name between the several perm of die peeled a Petition regiment of Aloe-
thus—" Earl 144' ANIIOPS preaeattd a Petition from he. salukis aud the carabiaterst•aad it was awai t I promoters of the revohattoo , Ca. ,t.1.01.4.1114.1We40.
itt
c Xi:lnflow ought to be extetided to persons employed kingdom as much merged as were the divisions of •
I steel PINStaT praying the House to pass an Act topro. latter were not nal urfrieurll to the" e.
-*bat die
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Dew order
.of 'biog., Yet, 'Has RI
as AJZITY Uu Arm!, lamtnfescP"-tentffessi-
by the, rdnance ;if this were atituittrd, he could the Ilepterchy. There were many parts of Corn- tect every property attic British empire against for i ll tth I et? d 1e go OM- la cc aso m nate a counter-revolution. About mows . .• • rOtto
lan till! any reason why it should not beretifter be wall which were as much entitled to relief es any pension, erat to its respective value to the State." . Ibis events; tbe rest:meat otAleasawlria were assembled ow the cd to lament, the turntable •de teentlainfou oes .1. t
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