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HOUSE OF COMMONS, FaIDAy, /damn 10.

The SPEAKER entered the Muse about • quarter before
four o'clock.

lu cunrequeeee of au eider of the dar for the Heave he.
leg called over, the alieudanee of Nlemlters we. very full.
The Gantry Was crowded to tarts', leuderolf the presses,
:riot the heat ai.suest iuseppurivb e.
Lord LOWTHER moved that the House be called over
on Monday o.xt

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH mai.% he cnnld see no reason
vibe tier Nimbler'', should br ha,a.ze.t y the• out. r fur a call
ut the liouac bring kept hang,fig I 111.11 ',end. Irvin day
to day. Ile thought the iwp..,t•,ut rf tier luvitlol wbtrh
was shoat to be di.cusscil was of tt.t If riithitiout to
n full etteedauce of Number:, and the ord.. tit the call of
t►e Honse wa•, is his opmien, perfectly ustirsc If it
was inured •tth tbe inteutiun exciting a clamant rut
of doors natant the Bl's now in progre.e, at bas aMaly
failed. Ile dad nut say it was so fatruftrd, but if it was, it
1,4,1 CIIIrd. 'lle Noble Ltd bad given hu I.nsru far his
motion ; it appeared to haul that no realuss existed. He
should, therefore, more, that the utdtr be now itinborged.
Lind LOWTHER witbdrevr his minion, and the ordet
was diirhaord accord:ugly.

Mr. HART DAVIS presented Petitions front several Pa-
rishes of the City of Bristol, against the same Bolls.
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from the Rev. Richard
Hayes, a Roman Catholic Clereyma• of the Comity of %Vox.
ford, in Ireland, spinet the Bill now in piodress for rept.
letting the correspondence of the Roman Catholic Clergy of
these kingdoms with the See of Rome. The lionourA:e
Member stated, that although he felt it to be his dozy to pr:.
rent the Petition, he did nut approve of Its prayer.
Ordered to lie on the table.
Sir T. B. LETIIBIII DGE pretested • Petition from the
lehabitants of the Town of Kingshall, in Somersetshire,
mid anther from the Archdeacon and Clergy of Bath,
against the Bills in favour of the Catholics. In the cottrsc
of the latterr•the Petitioners stated, that " they entertained
• liberal spirit"—[Much laughter was excited in the House
by the phrase, which occasioned the Hon. Member to rts-
peat it, and • repetition of the laughter, accompanied uric,
loud cheers, followed the second utterance of the 'medal—
a liberal spirit towards their Roman Cathul.c fellow-sub-
jects; and they had no ulijertitin to see them enjoy terry
liberty which in their opinion—(Lord laughter wed repented
ekeers)—was consistent unit the safety of the Constitu-
tion."—He shoold out do his duty if he omitted to lota, r
that the opinions of the Petitiouers were *leo h;s own; ants
be fell etaosietetl that the greater part of the country elealvd
with ream! and astonishment that his Alejesty'a Govern:.
went Mil not take • more derided part in the question.
Sir ISAAC COFFIN said he had been fifty years in tie
Majesty's service ; he had fought with Catholics in all parts
of the world ; and lie called upon every officer in the House
to say, whether the Catholics had not been as proeigal tad
their blood in defence of the comfier as any either class of
subjects. He wished them, therefore, to have an equal up-
, purtunity of enjoying the benefits %hide were open to other,.
Lord NUGENT desired that the Petition from the Clergy
of Bath might be read at length, which was dime &met..
ingly.
Mr. LOCKHART presented Petitlou from it:.
Corporatiuu of the City sifOxfold.
Sir WM. SCOTT presented • Petition of the lame nature
from the Cl ray of the Aielideacunry r t Stide.li x.
'Fhe fusegotug Petitions sere sererally 'briefed to Le
printed.

Mr. WILBERFORCE presented s Petition from the IV..
malt Catholic Clem sod Inhabitants Sti.tfordshire
Warwickiiliire, against the bills relating to Catholics nun, 4u
peuvel.2 thro•gh the Honse.

Sir T. It. LETHBRIDGE said, he did not rise to oppose
the Petition being laid on the table; he bad risen before the
Petition was read, for th- purpose of diawine the nitentuou
of the (louse very closely to its contents ; that object bed
been atiathed, and he now called on the House to pause and
consider before they passed these HOW, which, as the Peti.
tiouers stated, although they :noosed cc. tail, disqualifica-
tion. under chick Catholics now laboured, yet they went to
impose other more grievous restrictious 'stitch did not bervisit
t xis?. When they heard it slated by slue of the greatest au.
thoritit s among the embolic," in this country, he mciout
Doctor Miltuer--(Lond cries of `' Hear, kerre",;—when
they heard it from such an authinity that these bills m-
isused restrictions to which they could oat accede, what hope
could they entcriaiu of ever giving snisfactiou to the Coble-
lies? The measure which promised to remove their dits'iti-
lilies rutile, not he ennui, utiles' the restrictions were also
I curried, which would make it utophilable to the CribOl.es ;
which would occasion them to come to the House year Miter
year with petitioes, asking tit. ni to undo whet they bad door.
It app. and to hum suu.n. hat terrnordniauy that Iwo bills
shooid have been brorght in on this occesituo, the one grant.
rut; to the Catholic, all they wanted, end the other tylu.g
them by certain regulations which were galling to them, be
which were necessary for the Protestant r stabliabmeot. tlby
were not the whole of these objects embraced in oue Bill ?
He could ace no fel% oily they should nut, except He
facility which would be ant-did of removing the entente
which was obnoxious to the Cat bn!ics, by rep sling the cal
wit ch enforced it, and leaving them iu full elijoymeart of
oil the privileges which wete secured to them by the "Han,
which would remain. And he was conSdent that thry
would, etc long, have Petitions for the repeal of the accord
bilk He was far from Imbues ing any feehugs of hostility or
against his Roman Catholic fellow-subjects; N wa.
ea much VII( of regard to them as to the Protestant Iriuly,
that be Itwl Maar' opposed whatever claims they adirance.l.
—(Much laughter and cheering)—He would. ..x,
that he lava against the Catholics, which 1... e
repealed during the late mists, should out bat c .sees:
pealed; bet that had et stalely given rise to huins
ultinintelmrcoverior all the twinkle' which were es.:1•1
by Proicsinnis. He had a right to argue from tie exp.,
riser of the past, that whatever might be granted to it
Catholics, muse claims would still arise; and theuefoie it
was that be culled upon the House to pause before it pan' ed
the Rills which the Right Hues. Geutteman opposite
about to luring nester it. roustileistiust ; and ht. e.,sild n•t
but lamer; that a is-rsols of hi. 6;0 ltr•set.c, los si• •
sisasmosot., and list cist•titive Itticyfetize, should basi, 1
to advocate tie e
Mr. PLUNKETT rose amiuln a general rail (iota all
parts of the House import pins. He gave the Cutlass reidit so
the Hon. baronet fur acting neon hi. sense of ikepity I.
owed to the country. The Hon. baronet having tridlatioto sit
the name of Dr. Milner, as owe of the Petitioners, be alehe.l
it to be ascertained whetter the Petition was signed by Ina..
—Phe Cleat here proceeded to read the alspeatures to the
Petition ; the ant anon which occurred were those or
clergymen, about else fourth or fifth of which was Rev.
Miluer.}He had felt desirous that Balloted be knew% vie.
Hier the name of Dr. Milo,/ was eared to the Sanitise

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that fact was sow ascertained, and he did not hesitate to
Ivey, that that Petition was dictated by an undeviating and
rehrotless 'Twit of bigotry _(Hear, hcnr, hear.)—Grent as
Itiasaluifaetion had hien iIA anticipating the delight with
which the Catholics might welcome the approachiug boost
able\ was held out to them, be still had not beta free
train the apprehension that somethiag might arise to
dash the cup frost the lip lathe very moment of its being

wiw SA work, which in 1816 defeated the hopts, and hue-
trated-the •endeavours of the friends of en enlightened and
ff,tecal policy, Coextend g full participation of the ides&-
iugs of the Constitution to those whoa had so loug been
excluded from their enjoyment. It was true the Dame of
Milner was not at the head of the Petitioners, but it must
be presumed from his station in the districts from which it
inner, that the Petition was gut up under his influence ; and
he was confident that it did not express the seutimeuts of
the Toth -lies of Ibis couatry. The Petition which was
presented by his Noble Friend, the Member fur Aylesbury,
ow a former eveniimg, was signed by seven out of the
eight Vicars Apostolic in Great Britain; and the name of
Hit eighth which was wasting, was that of the one upon
wheelie coming forward on the present occasion the Hon. Ba-
vmosei coir,ratolated the Hnu.e. It was that Gentleman
v-he interfered in 1816, and excited the Catholics of ire laud
to tlnscontent and dissatisfaction with time measures under
eirgaideration at that period, in consequence of which Isis
waft* was erased from the Catholic Board of this country,
said be was removed from all concerti in the soperintendence
Wf their again. He was charged with having stated that the
-slay on which Catholic emancipation should be granted would
try that of the downfal of the Catholic rclieion its this court-
tey.—(Vehenient cries of Hear, hear, hear)—What then
eitil it •ppeer was hie clear, his manifest objeci ? To keep
•live the diasentionr, to perpetuate the divisions which
•aleted.--(Cheers;--Thet Honourable Member had ex-
pressed his surprise ihat he ('ir. Plunkett) should come
'lk-evened with a snowier whim h was taut calculated to «mci.
abate all parties. He could only answer, that hr never did,
he never eommid hope to conciliate bigotry.—(Lood cheers )
• He eared not where it existed ; wheth.r it was Catholic or
Protestant, bixotcy was still and ever lime same. For bigotry
snore Aimweelin reontiordstranded—left by the watems
of knowledge and experience to worship the Bgutes in the
awed, which were to be wattled away fur ever by the flowing'
of the next tide --;v7reof cheering)—With bigotry it was
useless to expostulate—in vain to reason, and it had been
well said that to refute it was only to exasperate.—(Loud
God /nag erhificasd cheering )—He should oppose the mu-
torn for this Pm (Ilion lying on time table. He was not at
any time disposed to reject Petitions which were addressed
to that Goitre, or to trench in the slightest degree upon the
.gbt of petitioning. There was, however, a valid objection
to this Petition. It was addressed to the N Commons of Emig-
•htid and Ireland in Parliament assembled," whereas that
House was the House of Commons of Great Britoiu amid
Ireland in Parliament assembhil ; and the Petitioners had
an right to f xcludr Scmillamid front it. share iu the represeu-
L,taticor. —( Larenkter, crud" Ile ar, hear.")
Lord NLGENT coots:Feted the Petition under considera-
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...ton with that which.lie on a former evening presented to the
nose. That Petition was signed by all the Catholic Peers
.f this country, by all the Catholic Baronets, by 8,000 of
the clergy and laity, said by all the Vicass Apostolic except-
ieg one, whom he should willingly leave in the company of
the Hon. ft,rouct.
Si, GEORGE II I I.L said, be knew not why they should
Pa called Oil to rtlinquish llie Protestant Constitution,
without the smallest particle of their bigotry being removed.

Mr. WILBER FORCE surrsted to the Richt Hon. Gen-
_ Omen that his objection being merely technical, it might
perhaps be better to allow the Petition to be received, than
to dismiss it on a point of form.
Mr. PLUNKETT consented to waive his abjection.
M. JOHN SMITH observed, that seer'sl of the signs.
tor►a wet e evi4eutly wi loco by the same band.
Mr. BRIGHT at some length contended against the en.
lertainieg of the claims of the Catholics. The House ought
_frit of all to iesture the Protestant DissentsrK to the full
. Atujornetit of their rights, and afterward, it might be *
-termer for coml./cretins, whether the Catholics should be
'dished to the barite level with the rest of the community.

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, the Petition professed
to be that of the Catholics of Staffordshire nod Warwick-
shire, but there were many most respectable Catholic fami-
lies in that quarter, nut one of whom had signed it; and
tbat he conceived to be a strong reason fur objecting to its
reception. Wes the exception of the Earl of Shrewsbury
• ,Sot an objectioo to suck a Petition! Was the exception of
„11,ord Swot-ton nuthiag ? Was the exception of the Clifford.
Was the exception of such families as theJerning-
isms, the Throrkmorions, and the Illutints. no objection ?
H. understood there was nut the name of any one con-
siderable Gentleman of the county to the Petition. It was
,the Petition of the irreconcilable enemy of the measure,
and a few of the clergy sutler his influouce. As to the sig-
natory., he should only observe, that when Petition. tame
up from persons in very bumble life, there was an excuse
for their not affixiog their own signatures ; they might be
iu the situation which some of our Barrios of old were, and
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know nothing further of writing than making their mark,
but be apprehended inch au excuse would hardly be made
fur the Catholic Clergy of Staffordshire. %Shen he bad
stated that an airangement might be made satisfectory to
the Catholic, in general, he timer bad intend, d thereby to
include the Rev. Doctor whose name was to that Petition.
Sir T. B. LETHBRIDGE captained.
Mr. ELLIS observed, that Dr. Mauer, as agent fur the
Ronson Catholics, had received the thanks of She Catholic
Prelates fur not acceding to ineaseresof a similar nature to
site prrsent.
filr. WYNN said the present question was not agitated at
the period whim Dr. Milner received those Shooks to which
the Hos. Member alluded. It ems &bruit, to imagine that a
question like the ;nevem' could meet with the approhati 111 l of
every nue, and it was unfelt So argue from any thing which
bed taken place at a former period, and under different
cit lip instances.
Mr. ELLIS said, it was is 1913, subsequent t« Mr.
6ratliii'v Bill, that Dr. Milner lied received the thanks of
she Catholic Prelatea.
Mr. WARRE said, that as Dr. Milner had at one time
speed to that which he. afterwards opposed, he did not think
he was an authority calculated to Imre much weight with the
Mau se.
Mr. WILBERFORCE said a few worth, bat was iii-
aorlibie In the gallery.
Mr. PEEL said, he thought it right the Howse should be
aequaiuled with the facia alluded to by his Hon. Friend (Mr.
64119, oho appeared So have beets misunderstood; he had
out wtslirej to conclude the Prelates or Roman Catholic
gehtry of Ireland ley Shit Dr. Milner had stated or done on
former um:amino., be bad only affirmed that Dr. Milner did
'spices Orir decided seller against enactments similar to
Ike peevitt. 11'itlemet refereure to Dr. Milner he would go
to She Cmutaiii bead, and he found that the Rumau Catho-
lics, os the 26th May, 1813, came to certain resolutions, in
wlsicb they spoke of some of the clauses which had bees
proposed as incompatible with the Catholic Church, and the
fret exercise of their religion, and to which they could not
accede without being guilty of selii-m.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY corroborated what had been before
dated, that four or five name., out of every twenty-five
which were signed to the Petition, were in the same hand-
writing.
Sir H. PARNELL said, that with regard to the latter
part of the declaration of the Bosnia Catholics, which the
Night Honourable Gentleness had teed, where they declared
they shottlti he guilty of schism in cementing to the measure
sheet proposed, they could only mean that they should be
so guilty if they ciamesied without comenitaicatioo with the
Sao of Rome ; anti in fact, when that Bill was cominuoicat-
id to the S‘e of Rome, it was approved of, sod declared not
ineassistont with the creed of that Church. He limited the
Douse would consider the question as it now came be-
fore it, ai.d sot go back; to open the dissentious of 1813,
which letl in the sufortimats Result of the measure brine
Ikea lost. lie had an opportunity of knowing that a great
rorkve had When place its tbs temper of ilia Rumen Catho-
licsfee behead with respect to concessions; tlits was not hi.
opinion only, Lot he had also the concurring autlwity of*
pewee high in the Roman Catholic guard. •
SlThe Beg. Ratstlet litre read sia extract from a letter,
ick fisted thin amid-action that was felt by imeir of all
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concemilit the stepson which had been inleoriosielialo
llsr HouS earnastallikAle,
mid be held To hie bond • declaration of
the Roman Catholics, 'Armed subsequently to the arrival of
that dimmest 'front Rome, approving of the measure of
1013. In May, 1818, In consequence of • letter received
from the Vice. Prefect of the Propaganda at Rome, they
came to the resolution of opening • personal communica-
tion with the See of Rome, and in their last resolution
they requested that the Earl of Donau ghmore and Mr. Grat-
tan would exert their great talent• to exclude Irma any
measure to he propoaed those:ciaumms to which they bad ex-
pressed their objections.
Dr. Plil LLINIORE thought it most unfair to press into
the distussion declarations of 1813 and 1814, which the
parties themselves no homer held. With respect to the
l'etitinn there was clot one word in it respecting securities,
it related osly to the oath; the argument of the Right Hon.
Gentleman hail, therefore, no bearing at all upon the ques-
tion before the Houle. Nut observing to the Petition any
of those great names which shone conspicuously in the most
illustrious periods of our history—not seeing there any of
the Clio'ords,tlueJerninthams,or the Fitzlierberts, Ice thotight
it was net a Petition which the House were called upon to
give credit to, in opposition to those which they had received
from the Ronson Catheclies of Ireland sad of England.
On the (peewit bring pin for printing the Petition,
Mr DAWSON said a few words, which from the uuise in
the gallery we' were prevented from hearing.
Sir HENRY PARNELL explained.
Sir JAMES MACKIN LOSE! said, it was rather singular
that the Right lion. Gentleman should have omitted to no-
tice two very Impartaos elocurneuts, part of the same Correa.
pondence which lie bad Tinted. One of the documents to
which he alluded wn• the Rescript of Cardinal Litta, elated
dated (rout Genera in April 1815, and the long argumentative
letter whirls Pins VII. addressed to the Catholic Bishop.,
dated July 1818, on the subject of • qtwelified negative. How
came it that the Right Hoer Gentleman should state only
what tuck pl.ce pre 'Mira to that nutification ? Did he bold
the Catholic Bishops were so independent of the Flemish
Seal that such • nutificatien was of no reinsequtece If
that were Lisa ore bb i .... what became of his general argument
of the danger to the Write from foreign interference? The
Calico's.. Bishops were, it oceans, not satisfied with the tie-
of Q.earentotti, and songht a higher authority : they
had uner got that litzlicr siehOrity, and the cons( qnence
ass, that, for the last severe years, no one hail heard of any
eXpresSiOn of dissent from the Catholic Prelates. This was
in perfect conformity with what the Hon. Baronet (Sir 11.
Parnell) had stated, but it was utterly irsecoucilable with
the at. me sit of the Right Hon. Gesitle.nan.
Mr. PEEL said, he was per; cily aware of the two docu-
ments to which the lion. awl Learned Gentleman lord al-
lotted The only way to put an rod to •II arg 00000 rut drawn
front the document to which he had alluded, was for the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman to produce a resolution of the
Catholic Prelates stating that they were satisfied the present
inessume was toct conic try to the Catholic Church, and that
they would nut, by (11114Snling 10 it, recur the guilt of schism.
Them she argunceot would be •1 an end, hilt not till their.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT raid, the Right Hoir.Gentleman
had produced that document only which the Pope had sub-
seeptentl) disavowed.
'f he Petition was then ordered to lie printed.
Mr. COKE said he held in his hand • Paition, signed by
the Archdeacon anel 50 Cl. rgysiteli of the Established Church
resident within the diocese of Norwich, in support of the Ca-
tholic Claims. He cordially agreed wish the prayer of the
Petition, nod he felt proud of representios so collehleB44l a
body of men as Ilse petitioners; he felt also the greatest plea.
sure :et the prospect that stow upeurit of success to the mea-
sure,frunt the consideratiou of the great satisfaction it would
give to one of the brat mei, ill the world ; Ice alluded to the
Bishop of Norwich, who had always been a steady le iesid to
the measure, and 'would live to see Isis labours and his seal
crownrd nithsurreas.
Mr. WODEHIJUSE said, it had heel' his duty hi present
to the Honor • "Petitiou from 250 Clergymen, of the same
(Forma of Norwich, against the claims of the Catholics. He
regretted, that the term bigotry had been used on either side,
and hoped the question would be discussed with couluesa
and liberality.
The Petition was then brought up, read, and ordered to
be whited.
Lord PALMERSTON presented a Petition from the DM-
. vermiy of Cambridge against the Bills fur the relief of the
Catholics. The Noble Lord stated fully the sentiments and
obj, els of the Petifiosiers, which, he amid, ice was induced
to th., as lie had the unisefortrtur to direr from theist iu opi-
aiun, and so far from thinking the measure would he pro-
ductive of any dancer, he considered that time day ens which
the Royal Assent should be given to the Bills would be one
of the most auspicious clays the country bad ever seen.—
(near, hear )—lle utn,lll to state, what was the fact, that
the Pe lit ion was m,t inirsi;snatii:y carried, though undoubt-
edly it was the seutimect, of a majority.
Mr. SMITH sued, the Petition was any thing blot unani-
mous'; there was, ent,the contrary, a large minority is both
houses ofeenveention. As to the measure before the Meuse,
he was himself favourable to the principle.
Lord SOMERSET priiiriated a Petitiou from the Clergy
of the Deanery of Stew', in Gloucestershire, against the
Bills fur the relief of the Catholics.

Mr. C. GRANT !Dimmed a Petition in favour of the
claims; but the name of the place could nut be heard in
the Gallery.

They were both ordered to lie on the table and lie printed.
Sir E. ENATCIIIBULL presented a Petitiun in favour
of the Koolau Catholic Clatuis.—Ordelett to lie us the table
and be priutitl.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD presented a Petition from Tea-
lee, in (Irons of the Catholic Claium—Ordeted to he on
the table and be priiittil.