The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser.
London, England, 1821-05-23 00:00:00

consumption
...*lllge,Ortee,of it. In• 1802 the market p.rice of
tjarfatio titabev •with a duty of 64. was 3/. per
tridad, • toberees now that the duty was 31. 5..
>4lflialswiorket price wit no more than tax pounds.
i4hrdiffeirence of the interest as to shipping would
solar known• from the fact that 300 ships were tn-
. trogfd in theßaltie. and 1,800 in the colonial timber
fisAllOwis There were three ways' winch had been
_•losupsood foe regalating the; trade—the let was, to
• :titilailhsi ditty entirely off Rattle timber—the 2d,
svirdid the whole amount of it to the coloiiial tirn-
1‘ lisme.dbe 3d, to divide it so by reducing the Baltic
t.4attlea'los6 sad laying 10s. on the coloniel article.
~4.Che latter principle had been adopted, and the
• effect had sheerly been that the price. of Baltic
timber begat, to look up, which circumstance
would prove shot the Cislonies were nut likely to
suffer from the alteration of the duties.
. The 'Earl of LstioennaLe thought that the
~ Witte was shamefully thin for the iliscussiset of so
ivoliortant • subject. The measure before their
•Lortithips had arisen front an. inquiry into the
Inutile of the declining duties on timber. On
.Baltic timber there had been an alarming falling
.011.- Great irregularity, as was proved bettor the
•••42ommiibee, 'hail Allen out on the whole of the
:timber trade. Large sums which were due from
14/foiway to Brine' merchants had wholly. failed
!at mentor. The evidence before the Coninuitee
mastia full of she had effects of the existing regulations.
-in wit provesl that American timber was an article of
!boost inferior quality ; Sir R. Serinitgo, of whose to-
• aleisisawdintegrity NO one could doubt, on being
ttioese Wised as to the durability of. ships built of
.Norway 'end American fir, said, that the latter
was not •wUrth one-half of the former. All the
••Inidriersexiimined proved the same thing. Vile of
atlttas being asked as to the comparison tit the value
opilLasi house containing 6,000/. of Norway timber
sessail.a house Wilt with American timber, replied,
-.that he would not advise any gentleman to buy •
lionse- built with American timber, Ile considered
the •Bill before them at an errant colOmal job. He
protested against an arrangement which gave 1/.
inlvatitege on the duties over and above the differ-
ersee of freight smith ransport. lie had hoped that the
Report of their Committee would have led to a
inure liberal measure then the one proposed. He
contended that the eatable* had hot afforded auy
employment to and seamen which they
wankd stn hare had -without them. The commo-
dity did 'Pat give rise to the employment of the
ships as in a free and natural trade, but the ships
and stamen had given importance to the commo-
dity. None httt rotten transports, which could
-Oat swim with any other burden than timber,
writ employed in that trade. The evidence proved
that the whole tonnage of transports engaged its
the war had bees. added to tl.is trade since the
peace. Old transports' and old E ist and West In-
&amen eompward all the fleets. One man proved,
- that having built a ship for that trade he had been a
considerabre• loser by it. As to the Culotties, they
iced—eat 'interest in the question. Mr. Ellis proved
to the Committee that the wood-cutters were chiefly
had and run-sway citizens from the United States,
who were a great Inconvenience to the Colonies. As
to she clenting of lands, it was evident thatelie best
rising for the lands was the tiring of the woods and
the manufacture of potash, which would enable
them to manure the lands with wood-aahes. In
short, there were only two interest* served by en-
coereging that expensive and inconvenieut commo-
dity, colonial timber—the proprietors of old ships,
and ot150;01061. -capital laid out in sawing-mills.
He objected to the great disproportion of the
duties of 2/. the difference made between
Norway and North American . timber. When
the duty of 3/. 3.. was laid on in the war, it
we's propeliioned to war freights, and the design at
.the time was to give an advatuage so the Colonies of
‘s4'. less than the difference of freight and tran-
sport: Now the proposition was to give them 11. •
above that difference. 'Surely, instead of coo.
stilling the interests of Europe and the Colon .
they °tight to consult that of the consumer.
The lappointed
iR
consider,il4
inanea the
No'llitig; in his opinion, could benefit the (-emitter- mst el CoC
atrisLogr mai: a
tlllaits:li m
coal interest of.thii'conatry, so much as settling the of the Country, and to replurrtrtolevellarg eulpiniu°oain:ol::rea
stile 'On fair and liberal principle.. It was the toms thereupon from time in time to the Rouse Rave,
sound commeteisil policy which this country should pursuant 1.1 the Older of time House, considered the mat.
pursue. On these' grounds, heuever gave a vote tanto them referred; and have agreed to the following
herr:er:—
pie the soccess'orwhieti tie felt sn'tnuelt anxiety as
.. lFroos the period of their submitting to the Rouse their
Inc the success of the intendment he bud the ho- t Report, the •ttoutiou of your Committee leas been di-
Poser of •propoiing; namely, that instead of " now," reeled so time commerce of the Visited Kingdom with ludic
tie • 13111 shoOld be committed " tins day six •11.11 Chian, and the trade betweeu those countries and otter
parts of she world. The advanced state of the public bust-
ntie,:ws,endctohoniidaderditthioeilens.lo7.idence yet to he received, before
ECtilillOitOUGH said, that although he was having completed their
in-
fally ctitichireil in all the sentiments of his Noble vestialion into that branch of their inquiry, affords them
I:,tencl (Ltirff tatidurilale) ins this question, Vet he. nu ex pacidtems of being able to produce a Report, embracing
tYlt great' dtfliculry in supporting his asneodment.• • general stew of the subject, in sufficient time to admit of
11! andoubfeill 'felt must cruel) d any menaure bring founded upon it, and receiving the spe
yy , isapp ointed
olffs4 islVthe diseussibits that had token place cgs' Pr7=:=lii::::tnpareivoim:istru the close of the Session.
your
bCommittee,anch inor tee course
etoris.
that qtietion, and' after a Report hail been agreed' of their inquiry, that there tie
te, fottairleri .1101511 priliciplca so substautial„ precise., Irkeestee ter high further feu ilities may he afforded, with
tied tiOn'ohted;- he did- hope that some arrange- I
gnat edwallilge to the interests of Sri**** commerce and
nn iglu ion ; and that such facilities
.cannot be delayed io a
in-nt illaf,shottlil give satisfaction would have te-eit
wiitwut the risk of losing much of the brinfiriNi
eirveiert • and' 'that Ministers would have had site rrremlts wbietm, at Il.e present time' may be expected from them.
tyrristat4o to bear up twaitikt the street powers Ilst This impressiou is founded ratherupou general prineiptee,aod
%arta *Sought to bear upon thol question. Ile. cireumstauces of general notcriety, than upon any pattern-
wore telt more astonished slims at the pliticiplks o.f lar avid/tame adduced before your Committee, however the
the Nable Lotd Esitliurss), and the Bill upon the
tes/Orstey of that evidence may have been further to establish
(
thoe,srivertli
ltetiscy of the measures about to be proposed.
table. it:10 fact, offered a Prensitnitfl i l
ir,tl:e intro- eg to the peculiar slates% of laws by which the
dnetiesis Of the dry rot into everruildikkg trade of the East Indira is regulated, the Hoare eanaut hat
coentry, • and it admin./it people of • 44 observe, that ties sabject• of fuleigu manses, whether Euro.
peon or American, are its possession of privileges far wine
country 'to pufrhase ilifeTlOic !WOW, ill • C013.4zil
'armoire thaw sbose which are enjoyed by his Majesty's sub.
itseeoce of the lehroereof rite ,06 should nit jeers generally, and tesae', as lea many beam-hem of circuitous
Ist that hour defog's their Lordprilittger, hut this wed foreign trade, duo have bees swatted to the East lsdis
• •
•s ,s :west Ls" .!
• so
f .4,.-4)• ••b

Lord LAUDERDALE wished to a•k a question
from the Noble Lord oppcsite. S I ships were
expected home in the course of three 'reeks witli
cargoes of cedar; st the tune they weld out there
was no expectation that this Bill would he intro-
duced. He therefore wished to know whetlirr they
should be liable to the duttswhidh waanuw double?
—[We dui not hear the asiswer.]
The Bill then went through a Committee, and
the lirpoit was ordered to he received to-morrow
(this dad•). The House Otto adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Turscuy MAT 22.

A Ballot for a Comnuttee to inquire on certain
Petitions respecting the Right of Eluction for the
Borough of Petersfield wog fixed for 11114 day,
and only eighty-six &leathers being preArtit at tour
o'clock, the SIMMER& adjourned the licoupe to to-
morrow Otis day.)

FOKEIGN TRADE.

SECOND REPORT.

if he ever again attended a Cuts- Coleman, iteelf.To relieve theCommeree and Shipping of this
it should be merely for the per- century from &situation of such colorant ore disadvantage (for
affording au opportunity, without the heart taberirritesiTnuct"hrieelehYr‘erC•exill",itte”:"; "we:Z/4
able to produce any Fetal kleasitage 1 the principle of which may be. la anewtilirki`h "brc". as
- ,• , well private traders as the Iltast India Company, to ein7
11116411 sairw ishieetlistis to 'the Dill, every sort of teal& between India sad Foreign Countries
the iiiipendmene. (will' the exceptive of the trod, in Tea, and that with the
r Livgitroets.7.l 'he should certainly United )(Mediums and the British Colonies, with which they
do not propose any interference) which Foreiguers are now
ill. He had voted fur the Committee
capable of carrying on ' • and have therefore coolie to the fol-
. their Report. and a o mig, had antics Nn Ig
eie„,lo-6„.., which they samit to the Noose
duce hiM to atter the opinions he had l itadadsed—That it is espedirral to permit his Majesty's
He admitted that the principle of sairjeets to carry on trade mid tragic, directly and circui-
t variance with the principle of lin,. tesrly, tedween any ports within tie limits of the Ears WM
r the cheapest and best commodity of China)ii
and
",:;"
poreillrofibet.bidtrilnielteiStibes oflmsePes:tri
but eircuandesices may arise which esseise,tidinignie to env mate or countries is amity with
tensity in deporting from this win-, his Majesty.—May IS, 1841.
present was, in his op such a
r Lordship's had to consider whether
did not carry the prim iple of pro-
kngths thou the Report vrerrant-
freely underetand the justice sud
protecting the industry of our own
country, but he did not undermand the principle
of protection given to one foreign country in pre-
ferener to mother. lie thought the Bill was not
quite so satisfactory on this point as it might be,
but as it left the matter in a much better state than
it was.-he should support it.
The Marquis of LansttoWst could not permit
the question to pass without adding his 'egret to
that expressed by his Noble Fiirrod (Lord Ltuder.
dale), and the Inoue particularly after wind lied
fallen from the Noble Earl (Liverpool), at the com-
plete faidure of the labours of the Committee.—
After all the discussions which had taken place,
and the tedious and noxious inquiries of both
House. of Parliament, and after an union of opt-
pion had token place between all the great autlitni-
ties of both Houses, th-y were then called on by
the Noble Earl at the head of is Nlsjetty's Go-
vernment, that they were to pass a Bill which he
admitted wits founded upon erroneous principles,
Inertly because it was a little better than the sys-
tem already in existence; and that this was to be
the only perinanent system, the oily step towards
that pennant ice so essential to the security of the
colonist, the yeehrity of the merchant, and the se-
curity of the coosoiner. If lie looked fo- the only
argument dial could he produced as a justification
Fur not bringing forward a measure that should inert
the wishes of every enlightened mind, he should
find it in the document alluded to by his Noble
Friend. If it wrrr on such consideration. as thew
(list l'arliameitt were called on to legislate, and
upon which a sound ronitnercial establishment,
and the restoration of those principles which
would lead to the revisit' of trade and pros-
perity must depend, it could only lead to this
conclusion, that it is tint by, hut in spite of.,
those enactments this country has flourished,
and tnuat continue to flowith, multiplied by the
events of time calculated to damp the energies of
the nation. He was unwilling to detain the House
loner.. lie felt guest despondelicy at the failure
atilt labours of the Committee. lie should not,
however, relax his humble .!lfibris, persuaded as he
was, that nothing but a course contrary to that
pursued by Ministers could produce any beneficial
consegneocer to the country. Before he sat down
lie wished to ask from the Nl..ble Lord oppose (in
order to avert any future evils that might arise),
whether there was any understanding with the Co-
lonies ilea this defective system should be per-
manent ?
Eel BATHURST replied. that he had before
stated, and lie now rept null, that nothing hail tic-
• , ,
oc-
curred wtaism could prevent Parliaillicist lons re-
diving the question at ally time it were necessary so
to du.
The Amendment was then put and negatived
without a ditificus ; then the original motion, that
the titanie should resolve itself into a Committee.

MI1101:I

Minority (or a Reduction .of Expenditure in the Irish
Departuseut of the Ordoarace Eatimates--May It, 1821.
Anson, Hon. G. Hobbouse, J. C. Rohinsow, Sir G.
Bernard, Vis. il tone, J. Rowley, Sir W.
Barrati, S. M. Hawkinson, Ho. C Smith, Hun. R.
Bernal, R. Jaynes, W. S Is, J.
Brougham, H. Johnson, Col. Smith, G.
Bright, H. Leonard, T. B. Taylor, M. A.
Chetwyrol. G. Malwrly, J. Tierney, Right Hun.
Chalons..., R. Martin, .1. George
Gauen, J. Mahwah, M. Townshead, Lord C.
Crompton. S. Milton, Larrd Tremayue. .1. H.
De Crespigny, Sir Wilionch J. B. Western, C. C.
Denman, T. Moore, Pet. r Writbrearl, S. C.
Dorwanuno, Vic Newport, Rt. lion. Williams, W.
Ellice, E. Sir J. %Vilsou, Sir R.
Gordon, R. Ord, W. Wood, Alderman
Grano, J. P. Palterer, C. F. Whitmore, W. W.
Harbord, lion. E. Parnell, Sir 11.
Heathcote, G. J. Pryse, P. T CILLER.
Heron Sir K Rainsilen, J. C. Bennett, Ho. H. G.
Hill, Lord A. Ricardo, I).
Minority of 20 to 63, on Mr. Homers Motion for reducing
taw Expense of the Academy at Woolwich.
Anson, lion G. H omit, J. (b. 'man, E. B.
Bernal, R. Heron, Sir R. Ricardo. D.
Bright, Fir ry Hutchinson, Hon. C Smith, Hon. IL
D
Chwiwyrert, G. Janos, W. Smirk, R.
Cite raft, J. Mastro, James ' IVillrrmw, W.
Harbord, lion. E. Munek, J B.
Hubliuuse, .1. C. Parrell,Nir 11.
Telkr—Bensiett, llurl. H. G.
_Minority of 16 to 43, for reducing 23,3501. on the Artillery
Staff.
Remo. tr. Hon H. G. Guise, Sir W. Nimport, Sir .1.
Chslimer, R. H übord. liuu. E. Parrott, Si. H.
Chetwyorl, G. James, W. Ricardo, D.
Crr evey, T. Marto., James Smirk, Him. R.
.Desuriau, Thomas !troat. J. B. Western, C. C.
Teller— H ante, Joseph.
Minority of IS to 47, who soled fur reducing the Medical
&elf 3,77111.
Bennett, H. G. Hohhouse, J. C. Parnell, Sir
Bright, H. Hume, Joseph Portman. E. B.
Chaluner, R. Ilutelrinsun, Hu. C. Ricardo. I).
Clic twynd, G. James W. Smith, Hon. R.
Ilarbord, Hun. E. Martin, .1. Tusks., Sir Joseph
Harm, Sir R. Monek, J. R.
Teller—it lint, R.

Minority of f 3 who voted for r•during the Ordnance Ea en-
oidinaries by 40,000/. out of '270,0001.
Anson, Hon .G. Heron, Sir It: Pryer., P.
Barrett, S. M. lloolohouse, J. C. Ramsdell, J. C.
Barnard, Lord Hutchinson, C. Rieardu, D.
Behourit, H. G. James, W. Rohs:isms, Sir G.
Beaumont, W. Joltnstou, Colossal Bettor, Lail of
Brougham, 11. Lismbion,J. G. Smith, Hun R.
Bright, H. lxunard. T. B. Smith, G.
Calerafl, J. lalftherly, J. Taylor, 31. A.
Chaltmer, It. Macdonald, J. Tirru y. It to. G.
Crompton, S. Marlin, J. Tremay or. J. H.
Colborne, R. 131iltern, Lord Towirothenol, Lord C.
Concussion, T. Mundt, J. B. Western, C. C.
De Crespigny,SirlV. Moore, Peter Whitbread, S. C.
Denman, 'F. Newport, Sir J. Whitlocad, W.
Frinkland, T. O'Callaghan, Col. Wilson, Sir R.
Griffith, J. W. Ord, W. Wood, Alderman
Grant, J. P. Palmer, F. TILLER.
Guise, Sir W. Parnell, Sir 11. Bernal, K.
The following Placemen voted in the Majority of 6310 20 on
Mr. Honor's motion for seducing the expense of the
Aeadesny at Woolwich :
Right Hutt. B. Midmost, President of the Board of Centro!,
Chancellor of the Uuchv of Lancaster.
Right Hun. Sir C. Long, Paymaster of the Forces.
Sir G. Clerk, Lord of the Ad ally.
R Ward, Clerk of the Grillo:wee.
Bight Hon. N Vansittart, Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Right H4lll S. Bollelle, CA/1111131*S14)111rr of the Board of Control.
W. Holmes, Treasurer of the Ordncoce.
Right Hun. F. Rubinson, President of the Board of Trade,
Treasurer of the Navy.
Hon. G• U. Phipps, Clerk of the Delivery in Ordnance.
Sir U. Lie Bough, Susveynr General of the Ordnance.
Sir IV. Confrere, Comptroller of the Laboratory, Equerry to
the King, &r.
Sir B Marini, Comptroller of the Navy.
H. Guulhoiroi, Under Colonial Secretary of Slate.
Hun. B. Paget, Lend of the Treasury.
S. R. Loehiugtou,Secretary of the Treasury.
H. Clive, Under Secretary to the Home Department.
Sir G. Cockburn, Lord of the Admiralty.
Right 11011. %V. Wallace, V'er.Poesioleni of the Board of Trask
Bight Hon. Sir G. Hill, Vire-To easou er of Ireland.
Right Hon. W. 11 n 8416.4,81, Moeller of she !!'snook and Forests.
Right llois. C. Arbuthnot, Secretary In the Treasury.
Luril Binning, Commissioner of the Board of Control.
Viscount Lowther, Lord of the Treasury.
P. Courtessay, ti,cret•ry of the Board of Coutrolo
Sir J. Osborne, Lord of Ilse Admiralty.
Sir J. Copley, Solicitor-General:-

ass upheld by separate protections. This was he must say, that it
he case eves with the linen, iron, and corn— mittee of Trade, ii
in all which commodities the Government took pose of @Fording •
core that the material at least should be Bri- hope of„bsling able
tish. They were not only is consider what the to the tosseityt..,
Colonies quitted by an advantage in the timber Lord ltilliAnf
trade. Their timber was brought io British ships. and.ou
.44 the 1
whereas Baltic timber was left fairly open to the Ile' Watt,
competition of Baltic carriers. The felling of oupport the Bill. I
timber was the chief means whirl] the lorthAlse. and,ogrsed to their
'4ll.lllllollll[llllllllllFic-- Their. iiiinliFawfri%. boil- • °Mural& to induce
uses uciMs it labouring population during the then formed. He
wintc; • wheat _ would pthermiu_bst. given up trs protection waasst vs
.. ...
ii greiraiiiiher of Bntish duping wherever tl
woOpiCitishesisteMsOisrte keptttiesitnyrd by the co- could be had ; bu
.49061- *iwilitikir Tl* ditr oil ' North American would justify. eon
-.4llsfactslabstrist:lllllB and 1919, was on'the average cipk, sod the pre
..,,a(111,111111/4 bui.tbis was not to he reckoned as the eller. But their I.
Allarital4wswieet at the' ditty. There was another the present Bill di(
....siWtstarbitsawlerlivriost. winch was to suppose tiction to greater le
~,MollreliffiV..kigh-etuties or low tended of them- ' ed. He could pea
Is:4OM to alit, the rate of cOusumption in timber, propriety of protef
• _ .. .