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SUPPLIES GRANTED.

On the Motion of Mr. Husaissow, the House
went into a Committee on the Supply to he grant-
ed to His ,Muyesty. Several papers were ales re-
ferred to tlic Committee. In the Counitittee the
usual inland sums were voted to His Majesty, of
which we collected only the following—.

For the support and maintenance of ituaviiis,
the slam of
For Stationery for the twu !louses of Parliament 1,300 o 0
For printing various Stimusents sod papers
fur the use of Parliatnect
Mr. Iltisaissus moved a grant of 30,UuUl. fur
the completion of the Naval Asylum.'
Sir Cl/A(11.El POLE thought, before such consi
derable additional grant.* were made, there should
be some estimates vr the total expenaea likely to
be itreurred by the foundation of this establish-
ment.

31r. I iv. t SSO 24 nail-tilted there should. Rethought
however it would take up some time, as the Asy-
lum had been a lung time in builtlitig; and there
was au absolute necessity for immediate supplier.
Any Motion the Noble Baronet should nuke nit
this subject, should have his support, if it were for
the purpose of procuring information.
3lr. IVUITBREAD thought the original estimate
had been intently far exceeded. Building esti-
mates and expeniliture should be always looked
over with a very jealous eye ; especially when it
was recollected what nu immense quantity of the
public woary had been wantonly squandered in
building immense and numerous barracks.

Sir L ?IL\ [ILES POLE said, there certainly existed
no necessity for such enormous grants to the naval
asylum, *ltem there were' only ISO baps—and 40
girl, to he provided for, at the head of whom was
Dr. Clarke, the .kuditor of the Asylum. whose du-
ties and labour were prohably far inferior to that
of any Vestry Clerk i.s London.
The CruNtst.Loa of the EXCIIIt.QCT.R thought
it might be of advantage to procure fresh estiinutes,
but did not see why that should hinder the I irmse
now from granting the sum moved for by his
Hight Hononrable Friend.
Sir J4lllOl NEWPORT was not fond of giving
large grunts of MOlity, ou unsure grounds ; he
should, after the rAiinates were furnished, be bet-
ter inelined to join in the present motion ; but,
from the unmerous evils he loud known to arise
from granting sinni much greater than were really
necessary, he marl!, us so amendment to the
Madan, that 50001. should be substituted for
30,i,nia. In this Mr. lluskis<on agreed; end the
sum a yibot. Only wax VOte'l as the supply neces-
sary far the iininediute demands of the Naval
Asylum.
The House then resumed, and the report was
brottOt up, and ordered to be rece:Pal on Mon-
dav next.
Mr. Howse& lamented that certain statements,

relating to grants of (smitten-MI licenses, had not
been laid before the Home, which had come time
ago, now upwards via month, been promised, on

his stating the reason of his demand. It had been
his intention to move, that 'the fees Isitherto de-
manded on these licenses should be withdrawn.—
Ile, therefore, gave notice, he would on Monday
more au Address to His Majesty, praying that the
Minutes of the Lords of the Privy Council, with
respect to the levying certain fees on the grant of
Cottitnerial Licenses, should be laid before the

'loose.
A'AnN Et presPntrl an acconut of the sur-
plus of tae Coasolidated Fund to the sth of April

SOft.
31r. Hostrssow said he was happy to
,inform
the I louse, this very considerable sum now lay to-
tally at the disposal of Parliamem, and informed
them he should subunit this account on Monday
neat to the Committee of Ways and Means.
Sir Juno NEWPORT said, he hoped he would
ever bet his face aoiust prodigal and unnecessary
grants of money from the public funds; that such
grants had very generally been made, the House
were very well apprised. Ile hoped to be able to
skew this in • very important branch of the com-
mercial establishments of Ireland. lo the Linen
Board, not only those guilts had beeu iiniaudently
and extravagantly made, hut situations of the
highest emolument and responsibility were given
to persons totally unacquainted with the business
or Trams of the office in which they were placed.—
ln instance the place of luspector-Geueral of
the Linen Maud had beeu conferred on • young
lad in the College of Dublin, who must be totally
unacquainted with the interests of the lineu trade.
Ile therefore moved the (louse, "That a Copy of
the Minute), of the proceedings of the Linen Board,
relative to the sums voted to Mr. Parke, Architect
to that Board, for the erecting certain buildings
in the Linen Hall of Dublin, -13 e furnished to the
House; also the authorities under which the se-
vend grouts had been made ; the official appoint-
ments that haul taken place ; and accounts of the
several complaints which had Leen made to that
Board agaiust frersout holding officio' situations
under it. '

Sir A RTUVII WET LtSLEY said, he had only to
regret the absence of Mr. Foster, at a time when
such in:Urination had h!en required; he admitted,
haat-err, due notice had been fairly Liens of the
Right Honourable Baronet's intention.
The papers were ordered to be furnished.
Sir A. Wsur.e.str moved the third reading of

the Irish Duties Bill; but, on the sugestiou of
Sir John Newport (we suppose) the Bill was suf-
fered to lie over.

The CHANceri.mt of the Excimovva moved

Ire ilonse should resolve itself into the Committee

of Ways and Means on Monday, and tbat.the
House should at its rising adjourn to Monday ibex!.

t*N 'LATERAL ARTICLE.

MT. WHITCRII.AD rose to make his promised
motion for certwin tapers, which he had not known
vi be in existznce, but, for tha Nohie Lord's
(Lord t.. L (lower) mentioning them in a debate
which took place on the 29th of March last. He
thought the late unwillingness to grant infortna-
lion on the most important subjects, reflected
Featly on the character of His Majesty's Ministers,
and uniterially injured the public service. There
was, lorvePer, yet a greater crime, that of falsifying
the intention and meaning of persons of the first
distinction and ability iu the realm. In grants gf
papers fur the public information, ha admitted the
exclusive power sloarld remain in the possession of

His Majes.ty's Ministers. lie should. not, 14.0 s
fore, attempt to palliate the tuner in whico the
mention of these papers had been introduced iuto
the House ; for certainly the Noble Lord, when
communications hail been made on the subject of hie
dispatch, had no right to make any further corn-
intmicatiou on that head, which might probably in-
volve His Majesty's Minister n perplexity. TheNo-
We Lord had been twice employed on the mission
to the Court of Peteniburgh. After his inikion in
1805, on the death of that great and able states-
man, Mr. Pitt, the Sccretary (Lord Mulgrave)
had thought tit, unsolicited; to throw ou the table
of the House a mass of unarrunged papers, which
all admitted were extrerudy improper, nay, den.
germs, to i.e at any time submitted to public in-
spectimi. Out of this grant there certainly arose
abundant matter of .inculpation against His Ma-
jesty's Slinistsrs; and had it not been for the de-
parture of that Noble Lord from the Councils of
the King, together with all those who composed
the then Miuistry, he would not have escaped
without some obsersatiun. The Noble Lord
(Gower) should of all men have been the last to
have recalled to our recollection, by any statement
of his, the afflicting circumstances in which
he had been the means of involving almost all the
then iudependent part of Europe. He had been
the arranger and official agent of that niiiious con-
federney, by which two great and independent
povrersk were annihilated in Europe. When again
Minister ut st. Petersliurgh, the Noble Lan[ had
reil Mired of that court the secret articles of the
treaty of Tilsit. A stninge request surely from
one who had just before signed on, article with that
Court, which was even to lie concealed trona our
old illy, Austria. If he had been required to make
this known, there could be scaice a doubt exist-
ing but he you'd have spurned the idea. This
article was, that the allies should take the field as
soon ns they could bring into action nearly
400,000 men, though net less than 500,000 men
hail been stated as absolutely necessary to Austria ;
Mato come mere directly to the yitestion at issue :
There, it seemed, had beets aa agreement entered
into, in order to induce the Russians to co-operate
with us, and other allii s, on the continent, that
after a cessation of hostilities, a conference should
take place fnr the puninse of new modelling the
Laws of Nations, in which the Russian Pleuipo-
teiitiary should be at liberty to remonstrate against
that part of the laws of nations by which Englund
would stand to the last, without ever conceding
one jot, or one tittle; Auinely, her maritime rights.
This had, since the late disagreeable affair on the
Continent, been widowed as a proof of the latent
malignity of Russia, and her intentions to destroy
the maritime superiority of this country, whereas it
has been tuore justly supposed (for though that i louse
hail not the article itself, _they were perfectly ap-
prised alt. content4,l to have been then hell set by
our Ministers to the HU8P11111.,11.? a means of stimu-
lating them toilet in concert with us, a sm.,•;es of
sacrifice to obtain a certain advantage. Ile u as,
therefore, anxious this article should lie before the

House In some tangible shape. It coacereed the
honour of borne of kiis present Majesty's i tasters.
It coucerued Ultimately the greet interests • el this
maritime nation. It became the liguity of that
tious to inquire into this promised sacrifice of the
nial rights, bat the Noble Lord (Gower) had
further added, he was aware of the 'meet hostility
of Russia to this country, and this, be stated, he
had from the most indisputable authority. Thi,
assertion had come rather, late, and when it came
the House had received nothing but the asserno:,,
without the authority itself. Much had been said,
and that very ingenioesly; on the conduct of a ten.
win Lord, (Hutchinson') whose evidente on the
dipositiou of Russia had been opposed to thst of
the Ambassador. That Noble Lord hail ereuitted
himself to the-satisfaction of all who knew him, mid
had essentially served the interests of the country,
although a Right lion. Gentleman had said, the
Prussian King bad at least bamboozled the Ne-
ble Lord who hail buck a great anxiety for holdino
conversations with crowned heads. Lord ilutchie!
son had toot sought fur any commuiiiesstiou p, 6
Sovereigns, he had been expressly comasissione: to
hold them by his Goverutneut. It had hot'
also said, the Russian Emperor had sudi-
ciently displayed his secret hostility to the
country, and predilection in favour of France,
by that expression he made use of to tL:s
Noble Lord—" Make peace, make peace with
France."—The contrary was to be inferred; for the
Emperor had accompanied it by • statement, that
he knew Bonaparte wished to treat on equitable
terms. Lest the Noble ci-devest AtubasauJor
should object to the production of all his secret
correspondence with the Secretary of State, he
should confine the motion so as to demised only
such extracts as should be of service to the inquiry
instituted. Ile theu moved, " That an Address be
presented to Its Majesty, praying that a Copy of
a certain paper, termed a :mi.-lateral article, deli-
vered by the Russian Minister to our Minister at
St. Petershargh, on the I Ith April, 1805. respect-
ing our maiitime r4lsts ; ane also certain letters
which had paesed between the Foreign Secretary of
State and the British Atobassador, •at the Court of
St. Petersburgle be ordered to be laid before this
House."

Lord G. L. °cwt.& said he was happy the Hon.
Member had given him thus publicly an opportu-
nity of disavowing, on the part of His Majesty's
servants, in 1805, any intention of yielding up the
maritime rights, and abaudoning the interests of
this country. He hoped his }Right Hon. Friend
would give up the papers iu justice to his charac-
ter, awl that of that great man who so long had
guarded the welfare of this country. If the ertele
were produced, it would chew the truth of this
. statement, mid the fidelity of the Minister. He
thought the present an improper time to go jute
the merits of the treaty of lotOS, or else he could,
verhspv, urge very strong seasons fur its conclu-
sion. It was rather strange, however, to think of de-
manding from the King the private correspondence
of tiny two men who happened to be in His Ma-
jesty's service. If the lion. Member thought he
liad'not done his duty to the country.. why bad he
not preferred a vote if censure against him in that
House? This would have been candid. In those
letters many things might have been said in con-
fidence, nay, even names mentioned, which it would
be very unfair to demand publicly to be exposed.
La • preceding debate. he had, itmigis trooostoted
a circumstance which had come to his knowledge
from a moat respectable authority. respectiag the
disposition of Romig, but in this he had made no
allusion to any dispatch whatever. He admitted
the lion. Secretary hid, in one of his letters, been
wade acquainted with even the name of tile panne
on whose authority he founded the statement. He
should feel not the least objection to the first port
of the present motion, if the latter were omitted;
he should add, as an amendment, to aeosuimodate
all parties, "and that such extra( is of the corre-
spondence of the British Ambassador at the Court
of Vetersburgh, and the Secretary of State for Fo-
reign Affairs, as relate directly to the mud'
be also before the Howie." _ _

Mr. 11 HITLIIttiAD then rose, sad animadvertei
upon the observations of the Noble Lord. It was,
in his opinioa, highly absurd to cal this a private
letter, and yet to say that Missilery* were to coedit( t
the public bustnesa by meanest such private letters,
and afterwards say, that upon that accouitt they
could not be communicated to the
,House. The
only information the House Ind yet contenting it.
was from the Noble Lord himself, *pen a former
occasion, telling the House that he had comae-
nicated,in a private letter to the Secretary of State,
that Russia was to be !it war with England, be-
cause he had heard these words 'uttered by same-
body. Had the Right Hon. Centlemau not been
Secretary of State, would he have got such a let-
ter ? lie got it in his °akinl capacity, and there-
fore in duty to the pnblic his was hound to prodiver
it. They were the first to speak of it theitnielva.,
but when the House chose tee call for it iu a tilt-
gible shape, they were to be told it was a private
letter, and therefore could got be preduci.l.
'filen why should the House have been culled upon
to rut., upon it ? He could not help feeling some-
what iudiguant at such a mode of Helpmeet, suil.
would then:titre still persist in his intenti of
tukitig the seem. of the House upon the sithjeet-
Sir THOMAS TLIRTON spoke iii favour of the
inneuelment.
Mr. LIERBFILT supported the original motion.
Mr. IrVINDHAM said the document culled Ito.
an official l'arliamentary proceeding. and net
private letter, since the house were made tt.:-
quainted with its existence, in support of ite4t -
meats in a debate. if the privacy of a doeittuo,:
was to protect Ministers from producing it, thel
they might conduct the vt bole public busittess It)
private yorroapoudenee, sod retest to give U.
Ilottaenny information at all. taight pro.`':'
great publw: evils. by. levying Illitlibterb fount ti.
general responsilidttj. It was surely quite unrea-
sonable for Its. 'Majesty's Minister abroad tr`
quote what lie called a pi-trete left; r, in order to
influence the jtithotteot of the lo.ise, a:.l :.-
tetwattls argue that they hod not n ritait to call rot ••
It had been alreimly found to he protitieust.
. great public izietwivtt.iett, e, i/3 it perm ciet 3,1
lie inquiry. Such indeed am. the case ni tct .
I Itistings.ll trial, where this %cry point m
for Ulider the pretence of pri vute I 0rr...,10:ti.!ti...'•,
great pol tiina uf the atlairs of the :.ask

t•,, !tic red. There were rations isuliie dorm,-
which, it had been said, were not tit to he,
prod‘,..:ed, on account of their containing things not
tit to be made • public ; yet even that tom
proved no ground for their non-production to the
House, any more thou it did in the present instance.
'fbe most wholesome role wa,, when things of this
sort had once forfeited their prennisinns to privacy,
they should be produced when calltal for. A man
who was acting in the capacity of a Minister, most
take care to write with the utmost discretion, so as
not to sirbiect what he deemed confidential commu-
nication to the inspection and scrutiny of the public.
such n letter sit that now called for was part of
the correspondence of a public man, about puldie
atliiirs, likely to be called forward ; and when that
. .

correspondence was allotted to, in order to influence
the judgment of the House, the weight of reason-
ing, no doubt., preponderated upon the side, that
the House had a right to call for the production of
it. Such abuses might lie often employed for ini-
pmper purposes by the Executive Government of
the country. %Vied had the House had of lute
bat justifications, by secret articles, private letters,
is,. when particular transactions could not lie
upon public grounds ? This beihg a 'nest
improper and injurious mode of argument, he
should certainly vote for the original motion of
his ilooourable Friend.
Mr. STUMM Houma,: argued, that what had
been stated formerly by Ins Right Hon. Friend hid
not been for the purpose of influencing the House.
Ile was not to be deterred from stating his senti-
ments by the high dictatorial tone which the
Dm. Gentleman opposite bud assumed. It did
appear from past experieuce. that these Honour-
able Gentlemen themselves never once consented
to the production of any one private document, al-
though they now chose to call for one that was tic..
knowledged upon all hands to be entirely of a pri-
vate nature. He should rote for the amendment of
the Noble Lord.
Dr. Lawitesca thought that the statement that
hail been given on the other side of the House was
nothing but froth and ._•:y bubbles, and argued that
no dictatorial tome was attempted to he used by
the Honourable Gentleman who had made this
motion. He approve; of that motion, because the
grounds upon which it was aced in argument. upon
a former occasion. had evidently made a great lin -
preission upon the House. Such being the case, the
Douse had surely a right to me that document, as
it must contitin public matter. and the production
could not be avoided by the mere statement, that
it was private correspondence. The refusal of it
would be a violation of the principles of the Con-
stitution. He heard it intimated, that it contained a
name which Ministers wished to keep secret ; bnt
he might observe, that there had been instances
where secret intelligence had been communicated
without the iasertion of names.

Mr. J. HAWKINS BROWNE spoke in favour of the
amendment. Ile thought that every man we; at
liberty to judge what degree of confidence was fit
to be given to the persen employed in an offieial
situation. He agreed, however, with the Right
Hon. Gentlemen opposite, that if a private letter
bad brmi quoted upon public grounds, it became
a public document. It was by these means alone
that public afinim could in many instances be con-
ducted. The letter in question had uot, however,

been to quoted ; and it was in vain to my that it
weld he predated witliont the insertion of names,
. .

as it had been upon former occasions found to fail,
and that they were actually concealed from every
person. except those from whom they were not in-
tended to be concealed. Upon the whole, bethought
there was no ground for the production of unit a
paper, and as it had often happened that the
House had erred more in the production of docu-
ments than in the detention of them, he should
rote for the amendment that had been suggested.
Dr. LAWIIIIIICS, in explanation, said, that he
had always contended, that legal evidence was not
memory to be produced, but that Parliament
should have the best possible evidence.
Mr. CANNING said, that before the House went
to a division upon this question, he wished shortly
to state the grounds upon which he thought the
amendment should be agreed to. lee had ab-
stained from doing so, till he had heard some of
the opinions of others upon the subject. He con-
curred with what had been stated by the Noble
Lord who had spoken. If such a coalidence as
that inferred by this correspondence was not to be
given to him, to enable him to fulfil the duty he
owed to the public, he would rather consent to
retire from his situation, than hold it without re-
taining his honour. The Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. Windham) hal, by pushing the.
matter to an extreme, imagined a case that was
nut likely to occur. He ggerl the House to
consider what had been the uniform understanding
of those in office, and whether past experience had
led to any of those abuses and ineonvenicricies allud-
ed to by that Right Hun. Gentleman ? It had been
supposed possihk, that the whole correspondence
abroad might be conducted, by means of private
betters alone. That was an extreme case, which
did not appear to him likely. to occur. From the ge-
neral nature of the debates in that House, it did not
stein probable that historians would have occasion
to recount each a chasm as that now hinted at in
the diplomatic intercourse of the country. It was
indeed a thing that could not take place, as it
would be discovered. by the Sovereign himself, in
his octal capacity. Could it he stated to the
king, upon the arrival of mails, that by some mis-
take no correspondence lied heels sent that was
fit for the inspection of His Majesty ? Ile really
thought that the acuteness of that Right Holt.
Gentleman, if not applied practically to subjects of
this nature, was more likely to be prejudicial than
to be beneficial in conducting public business.—
There might, no doubt. be many cases in which a
'inister might get private information of transac-
tions that took place, and form opinions of their
springs and motives, which he might think proper
to communicate confidentially, but which might
be exceedingly improper to explain. It might
be information procured from a mistress, a courtier,
or the favourite of a sovereign, and only such
as should be disclosed to the Minister at home,
that he might forum a more ar'urate opinion
of the state of affairs abroad. Did the Right
Honourable Gentleinau mean to sty, that such
information should not be disclosed to that Mi-
litate:, without .:ouie future compiler, at /10 great

distance of time, biking &ambled to state it to the
aublic ? ft would be easy to point out books that
have been transjoted lute different language*, that
hap e been the cause of the dowufal and ruin of
individuals. There had been no official communi-
cation of this private letter to the I louse, the Only
allusion to it having been made by the Noble Lon!,
upon his being inked if any private doeunieuts
tually passed? and he had merely, in the course of
debate, stated a fact, which lie would have stated,
a nether that cerrespondence was to be produced or
not. How would that Right Hon. Gentleman hare had
his questionauswered, but by such an allusion being
made ? The Hon. Gentleman who had mail.: tics
motion seemed extremely au;ry upon the oecie,ani
of tins document haying limo refired, and hot hi
could be more unliecomitig than the coinusecit.h.
had indulged himself in. Although, however,
(Mr. Whitbread) had assumed such a dictatorial
tone, he (Mr. Canning) had really no fault to find
with his statement, which seemed to have beta) divi-
ded into two parts. He (Mr. Whitbread) had
admitted. • that its being a private letter, was, in
itself, prima facie cynic-lice against its nroclue-
tion ; and next, that, if Hat document involved
in it a name, he would not be for prud6ving it.
Now it was in the first place a private lettia, and
therefore that was prima facie evidecice of its not
being tit for production, and another argument
against it was, that it did actually contain a name.
It was in vain to think of producing it without the
names it contained, as the whole would soon be
divulged. There seemed to be a wish to put Me
authority of the writer to the test, by calling for
the production of a document that could not, by
the very arguments used on the opposite ...tile,
be fit to Ow produced. Alt that had hero stated
by his Noble Friend was, that general opiiiioii,
formed in Russia, that if the Copenhagen Es-
peclitiou had not been undertaken, according to
all he observed at St. Petersbnrgh, there would '
not have been war with Ruccsie. Unless they
meant to dispute that such a statement was made,
they bad made out 110 plea tnr the production
of that private correspondence. He wished the
House to observe the impossibility of public busi-
ness being Carried on, antes., such a confidence was
put iu the employed by the employers, and a power
given to communicate any private intelligence or
opinions that might occur to him. The Noale Lord
bad also stated the opininnsthat had pre veiled abroad
u to the encroachments likely to be made upon
oar maritime power, and had explaibed met:l-
ead! wha. he had done in rcgard to the unilateral
Article that had been delivered to him. The pro-
duction of that document was also unnecessary, ns
it was not a formal declaratiou, but merely a pro-
posal thrown out by one party, which had received
a verbal answer from the other. ltappeared that a
separate article was to be admitted into the Treaty
of Tihit, because Britain had refused that part of
the proposals made, which was likely to infringe
upon the maritime code. Such was the dispatch
of Lord Gower, four days after the Treaty v
signed. He should not Object to the production of
that dispatch, us it would only tend to 'thew how
effectually the honour and dignity of this country
had been maintained by a refusal to accede to pro-
positions injarious to the present system of mari-
time law. The Right Hon. Gentleman then pa-p-
-etaled to quote several passages from this disputch,
and concluded ,an eloquent and argumentative
speech,- by stating. that he had no • *action to
agree to the production of the documents called
for, with the exception of those the Noble Lord
bad alluded tu.

Mr. WRITS/L/7AD replied at considerable length,
and disavowed all inclination to asinine that dicta-
torial tone which had been ascribed to him. He
was only assuming those privileges which he aaa
entitled to by the common courtesy of the floosie,
and which he did not refuse to others. He tlinstght
it would have been at least fair to let the House
have those papers. before the Hight lion. Gent.
read partial extracts from them, which he might
deem tended to the justification of his Adminis-
tration. Hi:should still insist tl. • the Nobie Lord
was not justified in making a quotation from the
letter, which was denominated private. Since
that quotatioo had been made, it was sorely
fit for production. The Hon. Gentleman then
proceeded to animadvert upon the use that had
been made of the Unilateral Article, which the
Noble Lord had stated as the grounds of his sup-
posing there would be war between Russia amid
this country ; uud argued. that that opinion being
erroneous, that document ought also to be pro-
duced, as well as those others which were to he
granted for the mere justification of Ministers.—
He argued, that the maritime rights were included
in those articles, and might to have been other-
wise discussed. He had no reason to discredit the
statement of the Noble Lord, hut why should not.
equal credit be also given to Lord Ilatchioson ?
He did not call for these documents for the par-
pose of getting information of ►ecrets, lint merely
t. get evidence of what had been already told.
A dirision then took place upon the amendment ;
when there appeared—
/Vt. it 114.—Apiialt it SO.—Majority 6s.

Upon our return to the "finery, Mr. TIFNRY
THORNTON brought up the Report of the Rever-
sion Bill.

Upon the question that it be read a serond time,
Mr. W1111'61041) stated, that he had intended
upon this occasion to have moved some amendment
to this motion, but finding the matter becoming
daily of increasing importance, he wished to have
till Monday to consider more fully the particular
amendment :.e should propose. He did not think
it impossible that upon Monday be should oppose
this Bill altogether, and produce another, for the
purpose of following up the whole of their original
object upon this subject. The Hon. Gentleman
who had brought it in had only proposed it as ex-
pedient, not being ut all sure that their Lordships
in the other !louse mi►tht not be olfend.Kl with it as
much as formerly. lie sl►oulti therefore I,c dis-
posed to keep the whole mutter within their own
hands, as they did last year, and follow, iii another
Session of Parliament, the precise same course
they did in the former Session.
The Bill was then read a second time, and or-
dered to be committed on Monday next.

IRISH DUTIES DILI..
Upon Mr. Ftisrea ttioviug the third reeling of
this

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Mr. Ttaatexe said, he conceived this Mill to be
a counterpart of the fine Bill upon the Orders in
'Council; he would wish to ask what 111:111 the
unionist of the duties intended to be received ?
Mr. Forrta answered, that it was net in his
p.m.er to state the amount.
1:r. 'Fixes Eir then observed, that this Bill did
not. like the other on., express that those duties
were founded upon the Orders in Council, but
merely that it was expedient that certain duties
should he imposed upon goods 'exported from Ire-
land. Ile shonld be glad to know why it was ex-
pedient to do ho ?
Mr. Fosriat answered, that the expediency was,
111:It Greta lirituiu having imposed similar duties,
Lrelaml Nhueld *tend npua a similar footing.
Mr. .IsICKNEY next objected to the circumstance
of Leo India goods haring been omitted, and also
to the anrehnuseing clause, owing to its being Ml-
pro;verly expressed.
Sir .10/1:i NEWPORT objected to the bill, because
he did not deem it expedient to raise duties in
Ireland, merely on ace nut of duties being levied
here. If the two countries were to be assimilated
stall, be should aWI to see that operation begun
by adopting some measure for the benefit of the

people, instead of being for the purpose of taxiug
them. The preamble of the trll was exactly the
same as that brought in to raise the ways and
rowan., and therefore was improperly introduced.
It was imumosible that any duties could, with jus-
tice, be raised in Ireland, till the supply came to
he vorrd for that country. lie objected to the
power conferred upon to exercise their
tlivottsitisin to particular persons, as they might
think proper ; for he conceived this would always
be time case wbitu tucu authority was to be exer-
cised at a distance from the established Govern-
ment of the country.
After some further conversation, in which the
several objections were answerer by the CHANCEL-
Lg.& of the EXCHEQUER, Mr. F ).TER. and Mr.
RUE, the. Bill wits read a third time, several
ausendrueots adopted, and the Bill passed.