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stem the current of age and the wisdom of cape.
virile', Co lodic. might sit no Parliament. As
Inug 11* they coestorio-d to pass an Indemnity Act
Ile, so Irma would Catholic's he eligible to
fill every office lit the State.—l I fear, hear.)—
It this were not the case, :old Catholics were not
c 'liable of holding the highest rank in the army,
the Duke of York was guilty of a premanire, fur
his Royal I fitzlitirms had lint taken the oohs. If
Caisiohcs were lint eligible to the highest offices
the Shoe, the Noble Lord now at the head of the
Treaooy .vas guilty of a premature. for he had
not taken oaths :igamst transubstantiation, nor
had rinalrfi,d himself more titan they had. He
omitted to smiler the case of the Members of the
Prove Council, yet even there he understood an
hid custom prevailed of swearing Nlcinhers on a
her •k. fr-un which the noise of " Our Most Gra-
cious Lady Vier.' Anne" was erased, for the pur-
pose of substirutiog that of Kong George. This
iti itself seemed of little consequence, but it at
'ast pioved this, that all the oaths bring on the
'woo. table, the Mewbers took them all the time
for enticement.... If what he had now urged was
*offs, iroily intelligible, it would -appear that
C.:401011es were prevented from holding office, and
from silting w Parliament, by certain Acts, the
Nano ..... of which was susproded front year to
year by the 1410111.41 Indemnity Act, and by
this means Catholics might, in fact, enjoy of.
tier, and sit in Pailiontent. Rut he trusted
be should not be misouderstood as express-
ing a wish that Catholics should enter in this
indirect mintier into the enjoymelit of what they
eiquirvil. Il,s argunieut was addressed to those
who rested themselves upon the wisdom of their
ancestors, and invoked sleet they were pleased to
call " the good old times." lie wished that those
Gentlemen would explain the meaning of that ex-
pt-ession, and that they would point to that period
in the history of the Constitution, at which they
conlil Rev, " here the laws relating to Protestant
and Catholic were such as they ore at present,
end by this we piton lehole."—(1/ear, hear.)—
lit tuote.ted his off, ctiminte love fur the church
of E. laud, and declared that lie advocated less
the rights of the Catholics, that the interests 1.1
lat venerable structure, that fr the high citadel
''here she sat she might discern the twn)). as lie
approached, and that her vision might not be 06-
PCII.ed by the hill., the brambles, or the ruins that
now roilangered her safety while they detracted
from her diguity.—(//ear, hear, hear.)—He
begged pardoi, of the.house- for having so /nine
tlehatheil them, but lie could lint avoid reciting to
them the words of a very roma-Id man. Mr. Justice
Bilekst..iir —word.; which displayed not only the
!sagacity cif a lawyer, and the w mlOllll4. a 'legislator,
but abeoluiely the foresight of • prophet. Ills
words were HD 6.11110 Tin, IS a vliott summary
of the lair agliest the Papists, of which the Presi-
dea.t 31onieseprieu I.ils4s•f%e,, that they are so rigo-
rous, i hough ont professedli of Ilse sanguinary kind,
that they die harm that can possibly be
done in cold blood." He further add*, that dies
lan •• are seldom:user .11r."
'• They are rather to h- aceouated fur from their
hictor sad th- urge..cy of the hones which. rein.
curer. them, than be approved (upon a rani re-
view) as a stainhog system of law. The restless ma.
elotiations tit cite Jr... 11.6 during the reign of Eliza-
beth; the tortrukoter trod ii easiness of tine Papists
under the new religirsios emiabli-dirto ur, ate. obliged
the Parliament t-i counteo.,ct so dangerous a spit it
by laws of a grist, tool then, perhaps, isecessiny.
severity." Stich, said r. Co ker, would be
the orgtoriellts w itch I should wish to use had
I the eloquen-e or the knowledge of Mr. Justice
f;larkstone ; but the passage which succeeds seems
Pi nave spok. a in die very spirit of prophecy—he
says, " But if a tone should ever arrive, and per-
haps it is cot far distaid, when ill fears of a
Pretender shall have vanished, and the power mid
letimoiee of the Pope shall become feeble, ridi-
ctilnils, and deepteahle—(Hear, hear, latarf—it
would probably not Ire amiss to review awl
snitett these rigorous edicts; at least till the
rive/ (awl litre, observed Mr. Croker, the word
tivil is put 111 italics) principles of the Roman
Cieth.dics celled again la polo the Legislature to renew
them." Awl thus, said sir. Croker, it would tin-
elia&nrdly he competent for the Protestants to do.
The Cathuhes were pll• down formerly, and why
should they not, if necessiar, he put down again ?
For let not the Catholics suppose that those who
advocate their cause in Parliament support it on
tl,t s.ruct grounds of immutable just,er. NVe are
riot abstract creatures, and callow be influenced by
oh-tract rides; we most ft- determuird by cheiresi-
stam-es and events; but should we be compelled
tiiiivillittgly to retrace our steps, we shall of least
hair the satisfaction of thinking that we had done
every thing in nor power, and the plus awl penal-
tie• must rest tip.l the hinds of the aggressor.--
Ile, however, coutenele 41, that such a men-lire wonlel
hint be that, as the (.!atliolies had
nit to made had subjects by severity, it was not
'likely that their disposition, feelings, and conduct,
inem,el he altered by oololgetier.--; Loud chew-m. 7%)

Mr. 1.11131.18 FO;TER began by observing, that
stkorver other egret ilia speech of Ins Hon. Friend
was motile of ;producing, it must base excited
in n. small•degree the astonishment of the House.
Ili% Hon. Friend had iloicovered, that the ermine'.
patio', fur which the Roman Catholics were arcking
for sixamial-twetsty years, had been ripen to their
rojnyisient fur one hundred year's, during which
prriod laileinnity Bills were annually passed; that
tiny might have beets Chant...llin% Grumls, Ads
mulls, and Dignitaries of Stair, and that they
might even have sat in Parliament. But notwitlia
'tainting this positive assertion, he would take leave,
as It lawyer. to differ from him its his conclusion.
The Hon. M :ober then argued front the preamble of
the iiidrusisity Act, that the question of Catholic.
ld

• (hoary MPS, to 'alit 11w (Mill Or liftCP, yet will*
1.,,p..!rt to n !Member of Parliament, lint six ttli-
wows were 'Mowed for reflection. The best an-
swer however, that could be given to the speech of
his Hon. Friend was, dot so sittmentes on assem-
bly was then engaged in discussing this onsportsint
question, not with more than professional acumen,
bat no the broad grounds of policy. lie objected
to going lino the U ttttt touter on several grounds :
first, with retsrrsice to the state of Protestant feel-
ing in Cleat Belton', winch. he said, was strongly
excited against the discussion of this question;
second. with reference to the gemune feelings of
the Protestants of Ireland, whirl) lie also coil-
tended were decidedly hostile to any concession.
The feelings of the Protestants of Ireland on
this point ourght to be collected from the North of
behind only, fear there the population was princi-
pally Protestant, and the feelings, habits, and civi-
Itzatiou of the people were far beyond what they
were in the other parts of the country. This, he
believed, arose from the effects of the Penal Code.
hear, from the Opposition benches.)—
No mato could e Irmo the Penal Code more
than he did, and he firmly believed that it had barbs-
tried and devastated three-fourths of Ireland. its in-
furore hid tint brim felt in the North, and
therefore tint part of the island had outstripped
the rest its Improvement.—(Hear, hrar, hear.)—
Ile 'bell Statval that Petitions, signed by several
thousand Protestants, from the Protestant counties
of Monaghan, Fermanagh, Cavan, Antrim, awl
others, hail been presented, and many others might
have been prepared, but for the unwillingness of
the Gentlemen of those counties to excite the feel-
itigs of the people. He objected to the Committee
for a third reason, founded on the feelings of the
Roman Catholics themselves. All the Petitions
presented from that body were studiously silent on
he subject of safeguards. On this point the
!louse had hail an instructive lesson from the con-
duct of the Catholics with regard to the Bill brought
in in 1813. 'fiat Bill had been prepared by the
ablest men on either side of the House, and had
iticoritorated every security that could be devised ;
bin the greater the talents and the integrity dis-
played un that occasion, the more manifest the dif-
ficulty of making such ;in arrangement as would
please all parties. The Bill, in fact, satisfied none
but the framers of it. Ile never saw a Protestant
who approved of it ; and how did the Catholics re-
ceive it ? When the ntessure was known in Ireland,
tneetisigs were held in every quarter of the island,
the Bill was moversally declared to be a penal law,
and the. Catholics expressed. their determination
that they wawa prefer their present state. The
clergy in particular, convened in regular synod, on..
sinuously &rioted that they could not acquiesce in
that 11,11 " without incurring the guilt of seism,
and that with the blessing of God, they would
'wner lay down their lives than submit to it." Such
were their very words.—(ilea, hear.)— What state
would ilie Legislature he in, if having granted every
thing they could to the laity, they were then to ap-
prndeo the clergy and have their rifler ►ejected ?
(pear, hear ) —Why then should the House uove
go Iwo :t t;outstiiitee with the vain hope of having
romentiog proposed in it, which would no doubt
be equally 11111,01 with their former exertions, and
tin less onnek the hopes of those who might be dis-
posed to place any confidence in legislative arrange.
melts. The nnly +wormy, he said, that could be
wished, was soinetlihig in the nature of a Plat, that
%%wild secure the active co-operation of the Rom in
Catholic rlerw ; butt the Veto would tint (lo 'O. lie
would lint wish, he said, to create a slavish depen-
dance of the It 1111 l aft Catholic church on the State;
lie would wish that flaunt' Catholic clergy
were itidependent ; but it was, be said, hopeless to
tepeat, that when the nurioti of a Veto was mention-
ed, they expressed themselves on it in ternis of
abornitiation. They looked upon that measure
as an emsluveinetit of their church. There wets,
he thought, :t time when the question might have
been settled ; twenty-six years ago, in the Irish
Parliament, the subject might have been arranged ;
hut the time was let pass away, he feared fur ever.
The Right f lon. Gentleman, lie said, had stated,
that it was forty years since the rigours of the Pella'
Code were first Owed in Ireland. From that
period to 1793, things remained ill the same sin's-
non. The Catholics then obtained the Elective
Franchise, the power of serving on Grand J antes, sod
other privileges. It was then stated by the Callao-
lice, thin these privileges would satisfy them, slid
yet they afterwards pressed forward fresh claims.—
The Catholics now look for eligibility ; the next step
;would be cussersion. It hail been said, that not our-
sixth part of the l'arliumeut would be composed of
Catholics. But it would not he one-sixth—it would
SHOO, as In the Irish :!!embers, amount to three.
fourths. He opposed the present ;notion, there-
fore, In-cause the measure contemplated would
bring the Chinch fatablislmn.nt into danger. He
did not see loin the Catholics %vele to he conciliated,
lie would 'kit argue from the expel wow- of the Past.
He would call the attention of the House to more
recent times, alien an arrangement was Calltrlll-
plAtril, at which time the Catholic priests mid
Bishops condemned the Veto as a degradation to
their church. The church of England, he COO.
sidered, as connected with their civil freedom—lie
wished, thrndLre, to preserve it—lie considered it
the tenure of Irelitial.
Cash VIC CaplAlliell.

Lord IN ottNtsattir rose and pronounced a most
eloquent and inapressive speech, which, boon the
hoe-liras of the hour, we could nut pretend to repot.
Ile lamented the difference'. that the Penal
produced ainoinzst the people. Fruit, the ranks of
social and of public life the Catholics, lie said, were
rrrhdly exemded—the (7utholicl, all of whom
were loyal, and many of whom were of the highest
rank in the empire. Was it not, lie asked, to
.ii men peculiarly painful to be denied ull

LONDON,
TUESDAY, MAY 4, 1519.

The Catholic Quotation was last bight submitted
to the House of Commons by Mr. GRATTAN, who
moved that the House should resolve itself into a
Committee, to take into consideration the laws
affecting his Majesty's Roman Catholic Subjects.
This motion was seconded by Mr. CROKER, the
Secretary to the Admiralty, who argued the
question on a very bold and novel ground, and
brought forward a mass of legal iolormatiou, to
prove that, by the operation of the annual Indem-
nity Bill, which has been regularly pabsril ►n each
succeeding Sessioo, the Legislature had, for the
space of one hundred years, neutralized the laws
affecting the Roman Catholics. The speakers
on this question were unexpectedly few, and the
debate dosed much sooner than was generally all—
ticipated. The result, though not altogether such
as we could have desired, may, however, in com-
parison with divisions in former Parliaments, he
regarded as a triumph of good sense and of an
enlightened policy; for the motion was negatived,
in a house unusually crowded, by a majority of not
more than Two ! The numbers for the Motion
being '24l—Against it 243.

A Dutch Mail arrived last night, with Papers to
the Ist instant.—The following is an extract :

RA9OI/LR, APRIL 24.

We hear that the Prince Regent of England will visit one
of the German Baths, and will on this occasion honour this
city with a visit. The solemn baptism of the young Prince,
sou of the Duke of Cambridge, will take place in a few days.
Mr. the English Ambassador at Berlin, will be pre-
sent al it.

Paris Papers of Friday last have arrived at our
Office. The discuuion in the Chamber of Depu-
ties on the several articles of the law fur regulating
the mode of procedure against offences committed
by way of publication, is not yet terminated.

We have received German Papers of recent
dates. The Badeve Assembly of the States was
opened at Carlsruhe on the 22d of last month,
by the Grand Duke. Accounts from Vienna state,
that the Archduke FERDINAND Of Este will marry,
ith the EmPEROR's approbation, the Princess
MARIA of Sardinia; and it is added, that hi•
mother will then give up to bine the principalities of
Ma►sa and Carrara.

The accounts from Frankfort are unfavourable.
The effects of the new Prussian tariff manifest
themselves; the manufactures and trade of Saxony,
its particular, stiffer severely by it.

The Secret Coin,

E Is 7 INDIA &HIPPING INTSLUGENCE

16.
under metilionrd Compsoy's =hip are arrived fi
v:7

The Doke •on' Pnrlland, :',11,11 A roil • the I.not
Melville,ulTlVeynu,nlh, 1.1 NIRy; the Prior..,4 Amelta.fhtt.,
ditto ; Ihe thwell. Off the ble of %Vogl'', d 01..; the seit,
Cubit., off Kroi!iion, 2d May; the Prince Kip
Marelunneaa of JSIy
The Dnlte of Yogic I.ft Chum the 171 h or DeeemleT,
slvrd at Helena the 2.1 4March, and val. d from
II
on ohr toth of Mstch, with the Loodoo and
d fr•rie dace Iwo Shop• .oli the 124 of Ayr,l,
snree‘qul endeavonr to save the cornier, who tel:
board.

The 1.114 r ‘felville left China ilie /Ist Di eetwiter; at,
at St Helr.& the 2d March, and saiirii Gir England
Albuf Matrh.rn 1.4,1111%411V with the Pi 111171.1.% Amrhit, which
ship left Chilli the 23t1 December.

The Orwell :ailed fro; China the -- Deeen,INr 1,4
St. Helens OH I
he Inoli r.lllAlary, uI 1,111,p lay w.th r,
Nnrk.nclamsslore and S..aleby Castle, and parted on the In h
March in lat. 21. 10. N and long. 39 33. W. atov,l „if
the Wteht the I.t May.
The Scaltby Castle palled from China nn
her, 1818, in company wills the I{uckntgha•n.l.re. an4tr,„.
St. Helena Iftls I•ehruary, n, rumpn.y will, the Ito. kine
banish:rt. 21111 ().,/,1•11 ; pot. trd CUlllll.l.ly 1111111 the 1),
20111 M.lrll, 4111,1 with The fineittezhason.hoe uo tlo G.
April, after a ao,ond EA, of %Ind off the We.lern
arriv..el off Brighton '2A May.
"Phi slop% Charles Mull. and ►l'alrrbo, r hart. d 1,,
scsiotteni to hying home dctachnienta of to Hops.
rut IFtwouth 2.1 31my.
The I.lnuira aathd from Calentta, for (lima • 1,
November, and *as Wl' the Sand 111.3(1.4 mom 16,• • „

Caroni is ail 1 homav Grenville, oio!..ftrd buend, at
well 2•iiii Aim!, N bl. 4M. I. W. lung. el. L.

ARMY AGENTS.

(CIRCE:LA fis
IV I r.s Wire, Apra 710. l In.
Sin-11neh inconvenience bring Yap. s•essesse trot., osr
prrnse,son oven 1.. H4l( pay A _en t. 1...rte5.., It lie . t r.. 01
111.1 r Chreil, 1/ir..ll;fll this Wire, 1 11:111. iell. '4,l'll'l4ly •
stirs runts* 11, RI sou that iiIIS Itt ti
be willnly awls Irons and sves..r the Ydth !lobe se At. Inn. I.
reeled 1.9 nsld, Ihat Ilse ()thesis; for whom tnu are At,. t
should be 1414)1-Ned Illeressf, and that any lelisla wheels she v
alsall arm] allihr cover 1.. ller S. 111,181) :II Harr slier ine
above date, will by return. 11 to shorn.

3111, S:r,
Your fuel tittethe ut 4umhJ. S• • t
%v SI EIN•
• •-• •• • •

Their Royal highnesses the hike a id hiieliese
Of hi.ort4sTEß have Ngnifled their
visiting the Royal Coiling Tlwitire tine evening The lIPM.
of the Ditches. of ‘liellington, Ludy Cuodiiie Umh, Lally
Jersey, I.l4ll,Cowper, flommralkle lies. Flan, lioti,
able Men. Parker, lieu ir11:1111•Critoriel R,z;,ns. and w
numerous list of Fashionable% already glare the hox.
The Entertainments witl consist of the inie.raileg
drama fj.loglio, the Deaf and thumb Orphrta, which al4
produced fur the bust time la‘t night, and met re at
Mani CLEnctis elegant ei
luintine of ('ogre Joan. or 1111.1equin on (*cud blest:el. A
brilliant house isexpected.

Not hing provokes the curiosity of peopli• sit nett h
as the difficulty of its graitlicotion ; fir nrtm.s , the
fair (:irraisian—whom nobody has se-o, and •I•nni • yrs v
hotly wishes to see It is fiirttniAie for oho, •ho 1,.y Col . t
at a dilierent sitiitle, that dame Purina,. in ni.,re route at-
able." This rood Lady intends, with the ...istriire
CARROi t., lo distribute atuutizst her foll,,wtra„ ou ih. 11. h of
MAY, Two Prizenuf 20,000 f. iu the FtRiT FIVE. *4l I'7l
The Lolier3 eunl:ltutt 1.01.7 R Pt is, • of 20,n0nt • hi( h arc nose
on sale at her Favntirite's °times, 19, (•oro!1i11, and
• here No. 706, a Prize of 10.0,10 Guineas, and the
Prize %bit b the Lottery contained, hers et
1,000/. 1,111101 rt:Aq. hr. were sold iu 111.. last I y,
log me'e is ismuni.l than any other Other.kceprr.

•
Nrx r TuLsoAir Two of the Fur Pr 7,3 of
Tweloy Polind, must be drawn. Re-
rl/1 Itet il3 Iwo I rent Lotteries, which ',a .loed Firtt-
alliswo Corital4 and 311.110111. Pr's' HAZIKU 311.1 CO.
Sold the,,, All '-11AZAIll) and CO Stock-ilr,k.'l,, 7•1•.!
COllliactors for the pre,ent Lat.ry Their 0ak..., 93,
Royal Excliance-az.le, 2E, Cornball, and 324, Oxforibatrert,
corner of Swallow-street.

Mrs. BARTLEY had her benefit at the New York
Thratie ors the loth last.

The Maws packrt, with Mails From the Brazi:,,
is arrived at Falmouth.

( ORIV EXCHANGE. MAT 3.

Our supply of Wheat this iiiiirniu‘ was but small, al.nt.t
3.51 ft quer, terr, which .uld at last ‘loistlity'.i price.; the an .va's
with Oats and Barley was larze, each 33,0ti0 quarters. 0.1.4
sold on full as good terms as oil W I r ..11111,$, .40t11
Is. to 2s. per quarter loser. B. sus .rapport their prie.
lit Pease sod other kinds of Crain Oleic is no alit:aunt/lu.
Flour has declined Ss. per sack.

urRRENT PRICES OF GRAIN.
Foreign ‘Vheat Sas 135 s Grey Prase. 47., 41c
Fnn ditto nits 744 Fine ditto 4,4
Lit:llsli Wheat fifisOs Tick ROMS . .3ls 344
Fin, ditto fEis 75s Old dm.. :_.
Old ditto .. —s —s I Small ditto 4lO,
Rye ;es 424 Old ilAto
Fine ditto ..... —s Feed Ihtt.
It y IGs 325 j Fine ditto . „26.
Fu.. ditto .. 4os 444 Poland ditto 244 21,
New ditto —s —4 Fine ditto 311:
%kit 1104 644 Potato ditto 3O. 31

Fine dstto
White Peasv ,haiilen936a U. I
['sue dattu

Rape Srerl, per last 4r4l
Fine Flour lO. rti‘ .
Seconois. . tlYs SS-

SMITHFIELD JIAREAT, 11114 y 3.

Our Market this morning had a middling i.tip:t!y of pr , not
hews, and the shew of cattle in gene.al ..: ns in. tsy tn.,'
Mutton is cheaper; Veal is dearer; Bref, I.lnals, and Pissk.
sold at last prices, amid the trade fur the most part vv.% sons..
what brisk. The sales 10 the Hay Market wese rather cisn •
■iderable; Hay has dropped in price; Straw: and Chstcr sits
tinned last prices. Subjoined is au accurate atatelueut se
the prices and numbers :
To sink the offal per .tone of Sib.
Reef....3s. 14.1. to 51. bd. Head of Cattle tbi. day :
Mutton ..4s. 4.1. to Ns. 2d., Beasts 1 O9O
Lamb.. 04 0.1. to Ba. 011. Sheep and Lambs .... Jfi,aint
era1....4a. AS. to Ns. Id Cakes ;s.it
P irk .. 4s. 4.1. so Ss. 4J. 1 Pies .... . %SI

COAL MAitlitil. NAV 3.
Shio• at Market. Mips 111614. Pinto.
7! Newcastle