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Mr. AnVitcnostav moved, "'f hat there he laid
before the House au Account of Cie Sums pai.rits
the Barrack Department, opal which a per cent.
arc will be chargeable, and hll to Le paid to arthi-
tects oe other officers for surveyi.ig buiklings (rum
the 4th of July, 194141, to the resent tiine; and
also the names of those persons to wiloru suca
payments bad been made.'
Mr. HusaisPoN said, that in 1905 the whole of
the i3atrack Department came under the cogni-
sance of the Treasury, and architects were- ap-
pointed at fixed salaries, the highest of which was
1,5001. a year. It afterwards, however, appeared,
that tie number of barracks was so great, that
it was thought proper not to make any fresh build-
ings, and that there was no necessity for having
architects or other officer.; with fiscal whines, as
was likely there would he no business for them to
perform. It was therefore determni•:d b♦ the
Treasury to give them a per centage. instead of
any fixed salary. Such was the state of the cases
but he had not, however, any objection to the
motion.

The Inotios was accordingly agreed to.
IRISH FIRST FRUITS.
Sir Joey Ni veroar rose, in pursuance of his
itotiee, to move fur !elite to bring in a bill fur the
more equal valuation of the revenue of the First
Fruits in Irelaud, mud for the doe collection there-
of. In doing this the Right Honourable Gentle-
man took occie.ion to state the grounds upon
which he proceeded. By the Returns made by
the Archbishop of Cashel. the whole minuet
amount of the First Fruits at present collected was
merely 3501. per annum, a ruin wholly inadequate
to the object originally in the view of the Legis-
lature, which was the augmenting the benefices,
and otherwise improving the litings of the poorer
Clergy. It WA; 011 that account that he a islied to
render more effectual what the bounty of the
Crow's had destined for such a benevolesit purpose.
It would be sufficient ti, state to the House, that
a large proportion of the parishes iu Ireland were
not at all valuril, and therefore contributed no-
than; towards the object in view. Ile might
reckon, that there were 1,500 perishes, whose First
Fruits were tallied, while there .were about yCh/
reinuii.ing still • unvalued. The valuations had
taken place at en early a period at the reign of
Queen Anne, and therefore bore no proportion
to what they now ought to be. It was his in-
tention to propose that the payment of the
first fruits should net attach to any living _that
does nut uuaount to .4501. per aMlllll.—Frqpia
every c01t:12660n he hail been able to make,
it element' to him that the 4leveuLes of the first
t ult.., when pro.,..erly valueibeiel collected through-.
out all the ditfcrent parishes. after deilueting all
expenses, would produce ket•veen 20.uv01. and
SO,oOUI. per surname, 'ihis dam would he the inewas
of Inc seaanug the votimr benefices of Ireland ist4 ha

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thought it would be more pterpek in thetents were allegeel to be wrong in point of law, yet be
to look to this anode of analieptliat fued produtse could inturiu its supporters, that it was formerly
tire, thau to pay out of thaercessoury a- :turn of IGO-. compliamed of as a sleet grievauct. —%% hen
wry for that purpose, whelks; emildeafect the holy. Henry the Eighth abolished toe Pope's power
of the people, without ally. reason or gronnd teeing- in this entiot,-y, a hew valuation of the first
laid down first. It should..uot Mesta an; of the fruits was nevi,. tor the Kings benefit. (1/...ir !
present incumbents, so mite be a burtlest emote hear ! front an limit:Pt:rah/J. .11eitilee on the Oppo-
hits. Upon the whole,. he could uot help sateen side.) ~bdill Dr.• Distoeu•N, .` 1.111
illlll4 that thee mousteres. which he etropokti would shall hear sue,-,surely Ido sot speak so lute that
he atleisded with very salutary and 'soma benetkial every Member of th-e House may not hear me."
esnuequesacee. The Hight Hon. tiesitletuuta then Neverthelets this feed is wet the property of the
. coacluded with hie motions which Lean; road fro • Crown at all ; ea that neither the Keeper of the
the Cheir— . ..F Great Seal, nor the Master of the Rolle, could
Sir ARTNIUR Weetetstesa rose end objected to at all exercise any enntroul over it. It was a fund
it. He said he believed the valuation that' now purely beton sing to the poorer Clergy. The
existed had takersplace in the reign of Ilenr; bonnty eftha Crown was only 50001. a-year for
this
out Eighth, and m great consideration now was, beesetel
was now ent purpose.ght nec Upon the
y, yet this, of all
whole. although
wisetaer the knishknishwere not in general already niere thoues
eaticiently prateded for ? lie thought. at least, others, would be the hardest ulnae of raising it ;
thet there weer many already sufficieutly s rorided and he trusted such a tax upon the Clergy would
Ibr, while others were not so ; hut the measure now never be
ossosine sad, entertained les th
that e house of
quite COMILItOoI.
tm
proposed wants' go to benefit them all equally. It Mr. Pit was
was true that many of the elergy did not pay the first neous statement toeay
Clerthagy t this measamoun ure
ty us to
of
fruits, bat the inequality in that instance was sn raise a tax pon the t
were
small, that it was not worth while to 30,0001. a-year. It did tiot do ro ; bnt the effect
altar the vain:lrina; the more especially as there of it .would be merely to rake from the hither order
ware; ther funds for entargiug gla. inmate there- of the Clergy that which the Legislature hail wisely
land ; and the sum now propoeed to be grantd in bestowed mama the poorer, without inflicting any
addition for that purpose, not being very large, he meet anal taxation upon the people at large.—
believed the Hoare *mild think with him, that The measure was purely prospective, calling on the
:there was no gmansal for ugreleng to this Ilill. great preferments an Ireland to contribute a cer-
,.. Mr. C. %V. W. Wrest.. YAWL he certainly tam proportion to support those of the clergy who
thought the object of the proposed Bill was of such have pot- wherewithal to live upon. Ills Right
a testate, that every one ought to agree to it. The Friend did not. in the Bill for la hich
Sight Heriounable Gentleman, who hol jest heathen asked leave. take upon himself to tix any
apoken. el. deny that the benefices in Ireland estimate, or to apportion time amount this fund
wereeo,
eat %NO unequal, the superior Ciergy be- ought to pay for mous purpoeet. It solely pro-
tagl well for, end the inferior not so, ceoled upon this fair and equitable principle, that
J
Teat appea . •M him to be the chief, if not the those of the ecclesiastical order, who receise a great
es ile groand, for this Bill. Its object was to obtain deal out of the Church of Ireland, ought to be
;tae mist frurs revenue in the manner originally compelled to afireenee something towards the sup-
ietetwied, sod mapply it for the advantageof the port of such of their own order, who scarce have
a miller description of the Clergy. ilis Right Hon. what was necessary for the purposes of life. The oh-
"'clew% had stated, he meant to eschade those jeetions of the Learned Doctor (Dnegehan)were au-
Clerge men from payment of the first-fruits, whose ticipeteri he the statement of his Right Honour-
letenetices did not amount to 2.sOL a-yea-. He be- able mend. The Learned Doctor has assorted
tercel the, exemetioe might be still a little further • that it will, in its operation, loud the Clergy of Ire.
• elteediee The Right glen. Gent. opposite had lased with an exorbitaut litnonnt of taxation. The
'said, that there were other funds that might be ap- anweer was, that the amount was solely left to the
plied to the pureoees intruded, bat be (Mr. discretion of the.Hense ; the Bill slat not take upon
Wynne) could never think it was proper to itself to pis evert any scale of appropriation. Butthe
vote this out of the taxes of the country. when principle was necessary, and when acknonledeede
there was this jet lice err sued devoted already fdr then it was for the House to ;settle the detail. That
' the there
le we. as conch disposed as any the priucilile was necessary, every man acquainted
lean to resist el eumeastinu upon Church pro- with the state of Ireland mast adintt. There were,
peay,lesi this was a decided pavment, which, from •to his OWO knowledge, two bishoprics', each pro-
the earliest times. use Church 'bud been liable to ; . ducting an income 000,0001. per 111111UNI• and sseie
• lit. el sit test
wars aimed at was, a new valuation, to tier of which paid a single farthing to the fund of
' 'each they were lw law to be subjected. The First Fruits. Would any man theta say, that a
Crown bad wirelv liberally granted this in the Dew valuation was not neceseary, end that such pre-
reign of ti
Aeoe, for purEoves the most useful ferment ought not to contribute to the maintenance
and the most important, and Parliament were now a fuel augmented comfort's of the poor of their own
only celled nenn to give efficacy to former legis- '
order? It was far from the fact to say, that the
lative measures, which had become as it were a proposed Bill was an innovation, or that it trench-
gene., ed upon the • right* of the Irish Clergy. It only
. &lid letter, sued au unavaiiieg instance of
eosity. It was le perpetual fund, which would ; followed up an old and sanctioned law of the
increase from year to veer. The Chancellor of the s comity, and was calculated to advance the interests
Excleemer had formirly said, Opt it was desirable 1 ofehe Established Religion in that countryee-
that every resident Clergyman in this country There was no -wan in that House less incaued to
year. lie ''; trench upon the property of the Church, because
should •Itot ease lees than 2001. a
thought this would also be extreshely dee:treble in i he felt it hate as good a title to security as any
Ireland, and it would be the best mode of die- , others pecies of posseseion. This bill had no such
eonraging the Ito.nan Catholics. This was mussily object. it did not attempt to apply that species of
' each a measure as would raise the respectability
span the
to am' foreign purpose. it Wks slut to
of the Protestant Church. MTV the laity. but to provide a due provision for
Mr. I' Oa said, that the prepe,„„l ebil would 0 those of their own calling, to whom, both at sense
g , to tax the Clogy between 20,0u01. and 30,0001.; I of interest for religion, apd a feeling of *ousel
sue First Fruits now only.prodatiog about 30001. 111°IitY" ought to administer competent y sand corn-
. The taking of 30,0001. out of the pockets of time forte The learned Doctor had argued, that.
Ciergy was au stereo of such "magnitude, and so because some yeah ago a Reverted Prelate
injurious. taut he could not agree to it. had been unsuccessful in a measare similar
. Mr. lieas 'et seta, he owned he felt much car- to the present. that therefore the motion of his
prise at die or.,ositieal that had burn snide to this Right Honourable Friend ought to be refused.—
ineautre, tier more especially when it was made Such an iiifereuce was totally inconclusive; as the
usage of Parliament never could warrant this sloe-
upon a motion merely to bring in the Bill. Artist:
the aliacisseioas Chat had already taken place iia that trine, that it should, 011 ill subsequent OCCII/40118,
Hass u:ion anteoures brought forward by the refuse the adoption of a moisture. merely because
Chancellor of the Exchequer co encourage the not previous Partiaments did not feek the propriety of
ieace of the elerAy in lessieland, he could not acceding to some of a similar nature. The pro-
help thiaking it was equally desirable to encourage visions of the proposed Bill will be fully within the
that reseal:tiles its Ireland. Etery circursistatace of controul of the (louse, althoneli it shoidd accede
shin: react tee esteu the too countrie.s called upon to the present motion. But if, on the contrary,
us much gene imp
to eaforce that residence the House should, in the present stage, determine
La behind tiro there existed lam this country emu the impropriety of submitting it to l'arlia-
Grath:men appeared to 0p p O,Se thi, leo ern tuentary dismassiou, then it will Inure adopted ties
Wrong principles MIA asisestatetneuts, as the oiled principle, that in the regulation of the church all
-ai it was not, as they atlases-se to impose a tax muterference was improper. NI hat will the Right
upon the Clerey, Lett to effect :se egnalisation of the lin:mumble the Chancellor of tile Exchequer say
smaller Issiues, sod to levy that which the Clergy te such doctrine t Ile who felt eo warmly the ne-
wer., ajec,,,b,, •,,,.,,.,:.,1 by farmer A,.„, „., b,,,,,,,,. „, a cessity of some measure of church reforau, and liar
more shipartni! mantler. lie denied the prwposi- actual) y before the House a measure of legislation,
, tem that the former ratuucli, was to be tee winch gum to take from the property of the rector of
standard of future preeteelings. The Trustees a living of este. a- ear ? lie hes descanted upon
the juetice and propriety of such a reform. 'lle has
' have the power of .renewing that valuafc.ii
whenever it became necessary. As he un- allowed no friar of hanovation nor apprehension of
eleestood it, tax Enelish Act of Parliament 14 disturbing or burdeuine church property, to hare-
the eath of Story the it lilts, was extended to Ire- fore, or to retard this his favourite scheme; and
land, Mid by it • valuation was to take place. from surely if there be any parity in reasoning, or any
• time to tirae
.by the Keeper of the Carat Seul. the consistency to Ise pursued. he must feel the ueeet-
Master of the Rolls, mod lather Geezers, %wave, oily anal the justice of the Bill which his Right
seemed. St. teen ',be. it apeeared, that the Statute non. Fsiend has now asked leave to introduce.
Law e.f the. Culled liingdoin empowered the The CHANCELLOR of the F.xeniesura observed,
l:roi:sel to antis Iles veluatatse. Such was tee that he was by no means inclined to retract, or to
avowed object of the present Bill. and it slsouid qualify any one opinion which lie had advanced in
hate
dlsis hearn -septet. MI 11, could never be sap- support of the measure (the Canoes' Stipetudiery
pose that the sum of 30001. a-year wee all Oise eves Bill) to n laielo the last speaker adverted ; still he
was in view to be raised by the bounty its euertton. considered the Bill now propowd a most oppressive
Dr. 1)olt:M*14N. with his usual elonuene inside of regulation, burdeninge
, sire- the Clergy with a
severe imposition of taxation. las this country it
nnonoty opposed the measure. lie insisted that
the Bill went to raise 0 reYcinte omit cf the pewkeis was klt, npon a per.on lwing preferred to a bishop-
of the Cieaty a ireiesel, under tee itteu tiro it tie ter great liriug, that at least the product of
would promote their faeces,. by ticst teeter theta three or four years of his incolne eas anticipated Isy
its order tea procure die fued. The Chierciws of the expenses which, on his induction, he hail to al.-
'relate' mid of Eng.:Aral were dertiter.l to he one fray. Ile thinight the present moment as well for
and nob% itilsle, and therefore why pat the t'lerzy the convenience of the Right Honourable Mover,
of Ireland teem a dirlerent frootieg teen those it, aii for time [louse. to oppose its intmaluctioa.
Ale el stake FITZGERALD (the Knight of
Englund ? If there were 10 lie Laos new valtention,
it ought to eeteed to England as w ell as to 1. eiand. lierry) advised the.Chaticcllor of the Exchequer to
A Bill use to this one Lad been p,-0,,,e...:•1. an tars bcfore he rejected a measure whirls, if tee
`is 'louse of Lords souse s ears ago. tn. a .:r,.,i i.ne ,I, muse lead to a Nil inyestieutiou of the
.ata7el.l which the Irish church vise placed. lie
moi.seat Prete.. , but it NYO*, son'; I iti..-1;,•.!. --
~,,,...A. ~.10% WI, from ass historical review, that the Act sal
mid ri doste the Cle'rgv in Irchtwl,
Anne, le,. whieh die food of lint fruits was ni.ide
Irvin of them, to the nreatest di,tr:-.,, if sin li
tis tlii • passed thelinesse. It %.“, ,1,1 !,.. a ay.::.....!•i:r to the erection of Oche. houses, and to
Sabrina iesuepertelde, 11,1 K Ono. ti1:1:1 ,•.,Istil tee je ...woe no of ;acme purpose's, lead been received
Lc the '•ie. ey of that age as a great Loon ; so
trey earl" ferret before he (seed ussis see
a ta•
?... ! ~,,„:1, ,e, that there exieted a eoso compefitiots
t from the elelte fe,il;e ha tali_, 1e:1..e
AlthQ;!ii.:l setae who oejesseu Ellis 1..•• a " use "ue r e' "... le' the organ Illiooies'a "hid' the" should

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convey .their ills to tlie Torrice. There Not '
en num who-so we knew the necessity for the pros
posed measure as the Learned Doctor. Ile knew
the dcticieucy of glebe houses in lrelausl, unit that
such deficiency was, of all '. a totions, the pretest
;mil excuse fOr the non-resi !eine of the Clero.
11 us the House only to recogile. c this doctrine,
that a bilst the unisuppy pens:alt. 01 Ir hind was op-
pressed with burdens and extreme t woo em,the great,
enormous, and lucrative incomes of the Clergy e ere
riot to pay asy proportion, event° the:support et the
poor of their ow order? The kings in !reliat had
been united for political purposes ; hitless! their
object appealed to be rather to procure situations
for political partizans, uh place of post isisms for re-
ligious pastors, and the d
tsar in that country was principally to I.e attribu-
ted to that system of policy. The Clergy of lee-
lassi,*both from the enormous retinues a hich their
livilats alba-doh and from the hglitness with a hich
they were *fleeted by any public imposition. ren-
dered them most capable to fear any trw provision,
nt 'cost far the pro:notion of pa t:. It was ridicu-
lous insides, and unfountiol ins fact, to conceite
that prelates would refuse great 1 t. satire situations
in the Church, from the amarelseasioa of being sub-
jected to any great expense se their promotion.
He coot:tutted by assuring tie. I I.sise, that the re-
fusal of the present measine %mold provoke a de-
cussion, which would perhaps lie ,not the must
serriceuble to the interests of t heCourchEstablish-
mint in Ireland.
Sir Jots Netveotty replied to the objections of
those who opposed his motion. with considerable
force. He wished to kuow upon what grounds the
House could refuse a measure, which only went to
make u fund, fixed by Parliainenbiry eisitettuont,
for the purposes. of builiiiug glebe-houses iu
arailabie to the import of the statute of Queen
Anne, and to the object of the Parliument, by
which that law was pressed ? Ile would ask
if that power, obeli at, originally tested iu
the Crowe, in making this unpin:mime of the
fund of first fruits to is designated purposes,
whether any man would think of advanciiig such
objections against the exercise of its legitimate au-
thority ? 'I he objections of that night were against
the detail, and must have been crested only for the
purpose of making objections, as in his statement
lie had give u no reason for such apprehensioni.—
The Learned Doctor (Duigemin) had asserted that
the present, would severely affect small livings,
although it had been previously stafed, that it was
not inteoderl to include such benefice* within its
influence and operatiun. The aspic authority nest
proceeded to assert. that although the poser of
ordering the valuation of the Church pro-
perty, and raising the final of First Fruits,
had been originally with the Crown, yet it
had been subsequently given up, and that
no such valuation hail tuken place since the
reign of Henry the Eighth. But it was sur-
prising to find that Right Hon. and Learned Doc-
tor (a laugh) so grossly misinformed on a sub-
ject on which, at least, lie ought to be accurate.—
If he would revert to the history of those he
Would find that a valuation took place iu the reign
of the First _antes ; that Alontgouiery, i pa-
triotic anal liberal (Ovine, then Bishop of Meath,
had exerted hiinst Li to procure the proceeds of cer-
tain forfeatst property in the pro% ince of Ulster,
not for his own private emolument, but to augment
the comforts, and to increase the happiness and
respectability of the poorer Clergy of his own sec.
If he extended his inquiries to more modern times,
the Learned Doctor quid find, that the tali of
Anne was recognized and ccirifirined by &legislative
provision in the reign of t;eurge the First. The
House, before it rejected the present motion, ought
to reflect, that it went merely to compel the appli-
cation of funds uuly to the purposes fur which
such funds were utigitsully intended. The Right
Honourable the Chancellor of the Exchequer
was much alarmssl at milling upon the Clergy,
by u small appropriation .of their immense re-
venues, to support the respectability of their own
brethren, but lie has no componction for the
sufferings of the burdened people of Ireland,
when be called upon then; to pay 50,0001. for
that very purpose. This very Sessiou such a grunt
had bean inside, and such impost levied on the
people. Was it not itaturally to lie expected. that
the people, already groaning under the immense
weight of taxation, %squid reason thus:" Before yon,
the House of Commons, hate a right to tux upon
us an impost of 30,0001. for the purpose of erect-
ing glebe houses, and of supporting the poorer
Clergy. does it not at least become your dote to
inquire if any, and what funds exist by law,
which, a ithout any addition to our enormous hoi-
dens, esto he made available to that purpose We
know. that by the bounty of the Crow,' such a
fund does exist for that application, and surely
there is neither justice, or policy, or reason, in
railing upon us fur further sueritict is, whilst, by the
law of the land and the bounty of the Crown,
there exists ut this Itiniticiit a fiord surd Stifled fond
for that neressitry and desirable purpose." It had
been asked, why cootioe this proposed Bill to
Ireland. and not extend it to this country ?
'There IT.re t!sesc two plain 1T51.401111 for that limi-
tation ; tirst, that in this country there was no lat,
re!Oity rot a 111. W valuation of 11. e livings, because
the fund of First Fruits was competent to its ob-
jeet
; and Hest, that there %tab no application upon
the people of this country, as there was made
upon the people of Ireland, to furnish such a sum
as .10.onol. for that purpose.
The I louse this divided on the motion for leave
to brill in the Bill, islo-n the numbs rs were—

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On ow return to the (;aiiery ae found Colonel
NI-001) luov;iiir far the production of u copy of the
Journal or of Admiral Ditekaortli,
eounn•inding the 10141 George, from the 19th to
the .27th of Fehi 1 t•O7, and a 1,4) for opte, of ull
negoLiatlons carried on by the Same °filter a ith the '
I t;ntuati Torsi, boon the time that he entered the
Darituiellra to the i7th of ftb. 1507.
Admieal Ilwav LI( thought, that if, after the pro-
ductiou of the pre,-ent paper:. it ,aa, nimint to 101-1
1 low them up by a ..,.*ecitie charge, the Nlerti-
r her oti4ht, in ite:Alec, to the yullatit _r.
the general g,otini.l4 of the imputitti,:u.

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