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TANNERS' !JILT-

The above Bill was...n ... a third time.
Mr. T. Joriss °pleased the passing of the Bill, u
eakulated to sacrifice the interests of the mutter.,
a most respectable body of men, to that of the
curriers who had by no means such strong claim.
on the Legislature fur pr_oteetion. •
Mr. Meutsi, Mr. H. Batrwmv, and Mr. Di-
VMS GIDDT, supported the Bill. mud contended the
imputation cast out by the Hou. Uentleusan
the Bill was altogether unfounded.
The Bill then.pasord.
CH11.1.1

The C,biltrite;lini Thll was theti
moved to be react u third time.
The Somrrost-Gt.but At. ob,wrreli, that by the
state of the taw et preseut, persuivi w he stole children
fee the punomeofeoneeelivig them, in order to obtain
the reward offered wittelly to tomb cars, os i* el i

at ti.o•ii who intended to make the child a means of
procuring gain, by begging from the pubic, being
supposed Out to act with a malicious latent, were
not subject to the paiiishmerst of the law. The
same neglect had taken place iu the present bill,
and hence he wished to introduce an amendment,
which should remedy this inadverteut detect, by
adding to the clause for subjecting to pUllialltnellt
those who should steal a child to strip it of its
clothes, the words " or fur any other purpose of
lucre or gain."
After sonic observations from Mr. W. WYNNE,
3lr. Alderman COMBE, Mr. LUNNINGToN, and Mr.
SIMIAN, the clause was permitted to be amended ;
several other amendments were made and agreed
to, and the bill passed.

CLOTHING OF THE ARMY.
('colonel W AZDEI. rose to more for certain papers
hid' had passed between persons either in, or con-
nected with, the military department, and which, he
hoped, would give him each information as might
enable bim to make such improvement in the
clothing of the military, as would be produetive of
a using to the country of 20,0001. per annum. If
the plan lie should submit should be extended nut
only to the army, but also to the militia sad locals,
he had no doubt but the saving would in iacreas-
ed to 100,0001. annually. Ile then usoiSsd for
copies of letters from thy Secretary of the Trea-
sury to the Secretary at War, dated the lith of
December, 1807, with his answer, relative to sup-
plying the army with great-coats, with copies of
all other letters which had recently passed on the
same subject.
Mr. Hugh*: .att hail no objection to their pro-
duction, but conceived the lion. Member rather
sanguine iu his expectations.

MR. PALMER'S CLAIM.
Mr. LETIIIRIDGE moved the House in Com-
mittee, to consider Mr. Palmer's claim. In the
Committee he moved, ,4 That leave be gis en to bring
in a Bill for securing to Mr. Palmer the future
annual per ventage on the increased revenue of the _
Poet-04ce, pursuant to his agreemeut with Go•
!eminent in 1799."
Mr. BANKES wished the llou. Gentleman should
so frame the motion, that it would include both
the past and future per ventage ; the claim to the
one was as strong es the claim to the other ; atirl
he wished that as they stood upon the same ground,
they should be both comprised m the same Bill,
be would, if permitted, so frame the motion.
Mr. LgTHeiLIDGE replied, that the arrears were
of very considerable amount, and should, he
thought, he discharged by a vote of money in a
Committee of the House ; whilst the annual fu-
ture per centage would be discharged by a bill ori-
ginating in the Committee, and coming from the
mertased post-office revenue.
Mr. BANSES said, such was the answer lie ea-
peeterl, when he had asked the favour of reforming
the Bill. He was still of opinion the two sums
should be included in the Bill ; the arrears should
be defrayerl from the increased post-office revenue,
which eras lodged in the sousolidated fund, out af
which it was impossible to draw out shilling with►
out the sanction of an Act of Parliameut. The
grant had a prospective and retrospective part, over
both of which this House alone ehould not have a
controul, but also the other parts of the legisla-
ture. He thought it very unconstitutional that
the other House should not have the privilege of
rejecting any grant of money, especially from that
sacred deposit, the consolidated fund, which this
House might vote. Hence he should move," That
the wordfature be left out of' the motion," which
would bring the whole ler the review of all
branches of the Lee,i•latere
Mr. MARRY AT opposed the original motion.
Strangers werethen excluded ; when we hear the
gram ma made an able and eloquent speech in fa-
vour of Mr. Palmer's claim ; after which a division
took place, when the original motion was carried
by 63 to 31.
Upon the resolution being moved in the Com-
mittee for giving instruction to the Chairman (Nit-.
Faller) to move for leave to bring in a Bill pur-
suant to the resolution,
Mr. Rosa stated his ohjectinns at considerable
length. To prove the statement of Mr. Brakes,
be adduced two iustances of grants of public mo-
ney, both of which had been introduced iu the
'shape of Bills, and thrown out by the Lords. Ile
never before had heard the right questioned.
The motion paued, the House resumed, and
leave was given to prepare the Bill.
SUGAR DISTILLING.

Lord 'limits() wished to know from the Hon.
Member whose Motion re-pecting the Minions-11c,
was to come before the House that evening, %he-
ther he could not aremirmodate the !home so me to
fis his motion for Monday, that the House might
go through the sugar arrangement without inter-
rup!son ?
Mr. TAT Lott said, he felt it his duty to proceed,
as several things had already occasioned its delay to
a very late period of the session.
Mr PoNsoway lamented extremely the irregit-
larity which had of lute crept into the House, by
repeatedly deferring the Orders of the Day. This
was without precedent in the history of Parliament ;
and never had Members so repeatedly been dis-
appointed as in the last Session of Parliament.
This was a very seriuns evil, us no man knew for
certain what uvula be on any evening the subject
of discussion. It' the sugar measure were deferred
to Monday. that day was by c 1111 l :non consent fixed
for the Erratic° dit4etro.i,iii, in which the character
of a Member ws, deeply itivoled—thence he rection-
niendel the Hem. Member to permit the Sugur
Distilling Bill to be then discussed, and to put oil'
his intended motion to any one day after Slouch'',
next. _ _

The Cnsycr Lyme of the EXcIIEQuEIt said, the
corn and lite•iiiess had been settled for to-slay,
iii came tho notice of the llou. 'Member should not
he followed np. It might then be proper to let it
stand over to Nlliniday, and very little inconveni-
ence Mould re Alt from the accommodation. Always
a very P u fruit, t notice had been given of every am-
nia' of importance; and hence he thought there
euidd lie little ground for the complaint of irregu-
hirit% v bleb had been made.
Ttrata LI, wished the Hon. Member would
pen Lit the notice to stand over, as the question of
distilleries was of patch vast importance, and should
there6,ie be speedily dispatched. Ile added, that
it had appeared the general sense of the !louse, that

the Dardonriles question should give place on that
evening to wore prew.iug business.
This Mr. Tavtoa refused to comply with ; and
accordingly Lord BINNING postponed the consi-
deration of the sugar business to Monday.

•
EXPEDITION TO THE DARDANELLES.
Mr. W. TAYLOR, 11l pursuance of his notice,
rose to make his motion relative to this Expedition!
hut in doing so, neither his voice nor his manner
deliiery was such as to enable those in the
vinery to hear with any degree of distinctness
the arguments he need upon this occasion ; it was
with the utmost difficulty we could collect the
following particulars : He begau by endeavouring
to remove any impressions he conceived might
exist utifaiisurable to him, from the numerous
postponements of this discussion: During the
last Session, accounts of the miscarriage of the

two expeditious to the I)arilauelles had been fre-
quently alluded to, and although a notice hail been
given. upon this subject, in another place, during
this present sitting of Parliament, he believed no
satisfactory explanation had been yet given of the
causes of failure. When lie gave nonce fur the
production of the necessary documents, he was
%nom& of the real nature of this exipedition, and
he really at that time believed it had trees► sea out

to destroy the alliance of the Ottoman Porte with
the French tiovernnimit, and was rather willing to
ascribe credit to Owe coot erued in the.pla 1111 l ng
of it. When, however, he had read the papers,
he must acknowledge he had formed a very
different opinion of the whole transaction. He
therefore thought it his duty to call the attention
of the lloilse to a consideration of the causes and
circumstances atte•ding that expedition, which
were so Jimtseditabls to this country, and to.every
man of that GoVerinnent conceived in involving us
in war with the Sublime Porte. it was by DO
means his inelination to aggravate the business, of
inflame the minds of those who heard I _ ; but he

should merely state the case as it appeared from such
information as he had been able to collect from the
papersalreatly before them. From these it appear-
ed that that war had been entered iota solely to
support Russian interests, and that it was totally
contrary to justice and *owed policy. The only
treaty of alliance between this country and Russia,
connected with Turkey, was formed to Me, and
the object of it was, that they should conjointly pro-
secute, in that quarter of the world, war against
Free ce. By the Tu rkidareaty, the Porte was bound
to act in alliance with us, to stop the aggressions of
the French in that quarter, and they agreed not to
snake peace, except in conjunction with each other.
This last was almost u copy of the Russia n Treaty,
so far as concerned the war against France. In the
year I eoe, however, a special treaty war entered
into between the Otter/tau Porte and Russia, some
of the conventions of which, it appeared, were in-
fringed by the Ottoman Porte, on account of the
detention of some Hos'odars or Turkish Officers,
by Russia, and a dispute that had taken place re-
lative to the passage of the Bosphorus, and, the en-
trance of some Reesiun ships into the Black Sea.
The consetinctice of these disputes between Russia
and the Porte was, the plunging us into a war with
the latter of t'sase Powers, which, he should
insist, was; perfee,ty unjust, unnecessary, im-
politic, an/ unprovoked. If the right of passage
bad been allowed the Rnvian flrei which was su-
perior to the Turkish, Constantinoole would have
been entirely at the mercy of the Russians. The
o.llv permi,inon I,iven to the Rue:lane was, that in-
dividual ships, but not squadrons, should be *f-
losses! a passage, as a protection to the lonian re-
public. Ile did think that it was somewhat ex-
traurdinery, that we should have entered into a war
with the Ottoman Porte, w ithout taking the pains to
discover whether such a tasty existed between the
loissiatts and that power, when it liras so much our
interest to remain at peace with them.—
This was the more extraordinary, as it appeared
that the wogresions proceeded entirely upon the
part of Russia against Turkey, and any interfer-
ence of nurs could not have Prevented it. He was
thena,rc Sed to furor this opinion, from attendiug to
the penis! at which the Russian Minister seemed to
have take, umbrage. The Hou. Gentleman then
prorecile4l to reel copions extracts from the sariaus
dorms's:us s Is fore the Blouse, in order to substan-
tiate his argiuswists, and to shew that Turkey had
uo intention with France to farm auy eoimection
against us: and he next coecluJed with moving
the following Resolutions, winch.
"That it appears Ili* Majesty's Fleet, tinder the com-
mand of Admiral Dm kwertia, arrived at constaisto,uple en
the 11:411 of February, leo; i and after remaining tea
du's, returned without hating accomplished an, im-
portant ohject. That the failure of that expedition
relief ts upon the hammer and the character of the British
; mid that the (adore of the other eApedition, against
atraandria, react t• spun tbehainuar of the liritish areas."
Mr. T. Gimes-11.1.s then rose, and stated, that
it gave him lunch satisfaction, that after the long
and multiplied delays vs hich had taken place, lie
had at last heard suds resolutiona, in such 14 shape
as made theta at least tangible. It enabled the
last Ministers, whose combust was thereby called in
question, to meet the purty that made them. Ile
was so far front complaining of the institution of an
inquiry of this nature. that he deemed it to be one '
of the most valuable parts of our constitution,
that those who have hurl public functions to per-
form, should be called upon to give an account of
the 1111111111 T in which they had performed them.
He was not only glad to see that in every Matinee
such inquisitorial power was strictly discharged as to
every one then in office with him, but inure espe-
cially on liis individual account, 144 it enabled him
personally to do away those impressions which had
taken place upon former occasions. Ile knew not
whence:they lossl originated, or where they had at all
taken root. Although his attendance in the blouse
had not of late been such as to enable him to know
even• circtinestanee that hail parsed, yet from what
Ise 1;041 heard, it appeared that those of the present
Administratiou were isschned to disclaim till parti-
cipation in the expedition in, question, and to de-
clew the institution of an inquiry iuto the the sub-
ject. In doing so, lie thought flit Majesty's
tars bad takes the right and most judicious course;
but he had to complain, that their conduct Lad
not, in other respects, been so consistent or proper,
as bethought lie was at first acst-ranted in supposing
although they had never expressly egad openly asked
for hapsir!, vet,day after day, they had Urih throw-
ing out insinuations, by collateral urgunients, its
order to ',reduce impressions unfavourable to the
last Administration. Theis argiimeets and all e

Warns bad tended to impress some with a loAise
that it was impossible fur His alsiesty's Lite
tem to combat the occut,atioo wade by thew- ia.
sinuations, and made too in a manlier that old
not aduiit of an answer from those tviaiii s horn
bore. Wien he alluded to expression., that had
bean used, he meant those that lad been uttered
in a viulent and hasty moment of debate, and
it was not his wish to ascribe any improper or
uuparliainetaary 'motives to those who uttered
them. i 1 as it, he would a.k, proper fur a Se-
cretary of State for Foreign Afiiirs, to say, that
the late Ministers had made a dicersiou in tee
South of Europe, with ship-v, without troops,
when uo requisition had been triode by the Ott...
man Porte for either? lie could hardly belies,:
his ears when he heard ',itch au asset:l:4i
from such a quarter. \Vheu he alluded to that
expression used in a late debate, he could i. t 1,-
iieve that the Right Hon. Gentleman was actin, d
by motives purposely tenditig to ani,itad the
woo of the flolise ; but that they mereiy a„t
from the heat of debate, while he knew that thrre
was no founilatioie for it. As to the sell past is
questiou, that it was o .e that :::,paireal no prow „r
arguoio.:at, ~,!1 his part, 1,4 his e3,,iieation, asi.l:i sit
of all his col!eagnes, must be evident to those a
had read the papers lain liefore the Mouse. tir
from that expedition not being ii. colet.queuca. ol a
requisition, 111vould appear from toe deco/L.. i.ts
that it was the result of one made to Mr. Arbuiii.
not, at Constantinople. Without meaning any
disrespect to the lionounible Gentlernau r, bo hot
proposed these Resolutions, he must say, that if he
conceived that any of the orpiment, hr (Mr.
lor) had used upon this OCCUSbOII were likely to he
adopted by the House, or to make aay itnprrs,.,oa
upon it, ice *Wahl think it his duty to pursue tee
subject mach more at length thou he should la..
die ; but till he should hear some opinions fro:1
other quarters of the House, that Wu. Genticti.ai
must forgive him fur expressinA his conviction dud
nu other man in the House would adopt such t
course of argument, or eutertaiu ottch seutitueets,
after reading the before them. Vet
that Honourable Gfriniemaut had liven rci:-
vineetl of the propriety and policy of the late
Government, till lie had read those very pares
which form their justification. The Hone* would
not forget thit Le was obliged to complain of tile
manner in which that lion. Gentleman spoke of
the late Ministers, at the tinie lie first hinted as to
this inquiry, in using words of censure and re.
proud, at the very moment he was tong to
call for paprs e, and before any kind 1 charge was,
even in his own naiad, proved alcohol* them. The
state which we stood as to Turkey, was to be
found in the Triple Alliance, dated the Bth ofia-
nnary, 1799, which was printed, and laid upon the
table. The Hon. Gentleman had considered that
treaty as the origin of all oar connection or inter-
fereure with the Ottoman Porte, god did not seem
to advert that it was only the result of a long inter-
course between. them, and an endeavour to make
English influence comae& the two countries, Russia
and the Porte, more intimately, in friarliship with
each other, and in alliance with Great Britain.—
It was after the peace of Jassy that the triple alit'
once was thus formed bets ems Eastland, Russia,
and Turkey. He believed that so man ended
read that treaty, and the comments that were made
upon it, both by the Enslish Minister, et Collates-
; tinople, mid Lord [lomat here, and say that there
remained any doubt whatever as to the right (:re-st
Britain had to interfere with an armed force at

Constantinople. to favour the execution of the
terms of the triple affiliate. One very materiel
mistnke he lad fallen into was, that not having
examined the whale subject minutely, wherever
he did net find • document, be presumed it dal
not at all exist. Ile, Mr. Taylor, did nut ap-
to know, that there was a treaty hearing
date the 91st Marcfi, 1900, contaiuing a cotevcrs
tem between Russia and the Porte, that each of
those powers should scud troop* and ships during
the war fur the protection of tile lonian lased ,
and that the Russian ships had liberty to coo
through the Dardanelles. The non-performance
of Its stipulatiout was to be deemed a direct breach
of the convention, and England was to guarantee
its performance. Could it then be necessary Ict
him to speak of those general feelitis of policy,
which nacos-ally United the lust Gore ttttt tent of the
coin:try to support and maintain, as much as pose-
tile, and consisteney with justice, the rights and
interests of Russia? lie was entering into no
question that implicated the conduct of that Mi-
nistry which preceded the last, or of that which
succeeded them ; because for a long course of years
it had been deemed most politic and expedient to
cultivate the friendship and intimate connection of
the Court of Russia. It was necessary, therefore,
to make illiwance for the state of foreign relatioas
which a Ministry find existing when they cone
into power. Wes there any disposition in their.
who heard him to question the propriety of
the instructions that were given to Mr. Arbuth-
not to support the interests of Russia at the
Porte Ile surely could not think so after the
perineal of the paper he bad moved for, intis
tuled " Copies of all the Instructions sent to Ills
Majesty's Minister at the Porte, in 1805." That
docuinent would spew under what instructions
Mr. Arbuthnot was acting, when the late Mi-
nisters were called to His Majesty's Coun-
cils. It was impossible not to see whet actuated
them iu supporting the interests of Russia, and ex-
tending, as far as possible, the connection between
them. Resides this, they had strung proofs of the.
!crowing hostility of 'Turkey to the interests
Rossi:. and Great Britain. Here the Right Huh.
Gent. read, in support of his argument, a dispiin
II
from Mr. Arbuthnot relative, to a note of Schte
tints', the French Minister, which was an in.tAnt:e
of the violence and insolence of French diploolley.
It was therein insinuated, that if the Porte did not
shut out all Russian and English ships. the Eui-
peror would employ a great force against them. to
compel them to dissolve all connection with these
two countries. Every means was used itt
Ilowiek's dispatch, of the 14th November, to ree,•l
the Turks to a sense of better policy than to listen
to the Preach propositions. or to he entstreel'3l!'Y
their influeoce. ft desired the immediate retio‘.ll
of beliestiani, as the only mode of I notiottat,g tier
friendship of the two powers. England and !tow.
The Right Him. Member then proceiiied to rad,
a -variety of extract* fiuen the corre.uritiilenei7
Mr. Arbuthnot. wit!, Lord blowick, v.:A eh • ..t