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6, 1819.

oppoiotoo•ot or his Corn Miller rot' the Poor Laws ou
the 4sine manner as he hsJ last Session ?

Mr. STUROFI BOURNE replied in a very low tone
of voice, but we understood hint to state that he
had not as yet exactly made up his enind on the

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subject.
•I'he Petition was laid on the table. nod on the
mottos that it he to•ntntrbw referred to a Coin-

niit.ee to consider the mate er thereof-4-

Mr. Alderman WOOD rose. and bore testimony to
the anti-I...envy result which hid followed the adop-
tion of Mr. Siilishurr's plun of dressing flax. He
hail fret, it. good effects in the increased indiogiry
of the female convicts in Nes/gate. and he hoped
Pisrliatnent woul4 take up the subjert, sn as to
resider the benefits of Mr. Salisbur)'s plan more
general in their application. But what he rose to
suggest was this—the !louse knew that an Hon.
(biir W. de Crespitoy) motion stood fur
to-morrogv, fur the appoihtment of a Committee to
consider of ,sir. Oweii's plan for the snore effecting'
employment of the pour, and the coltiiration of
waste land.. IVoiglil it wet be as well for this moe

lion to xtuttcl over until after the di.cossion. or to

be made referable to the some Committee, in the
event of one being appointed ? The root,' of flax
in the manner alluded to we•, lie admitted, ex-

trrm.ly i tiportittot. To the ainonnt of 3.000.0001 e
had heels iiitiuirted the year before Irrt. and about
2,000,000 h in the last year. In every sense he
agreed in the importance of the consideration of
51r. Ssli.hury' plan, but he submitted the pro-
priety of mit soffering it to interfere in a separate
form with the moti,sit of to-morrow.

Mr. BOOTI.R WILBRAHAM had tin wish whatever
that hi 4 111i011)0Pitinit should interfere with the Hon.
Baronet's, whirl] stood for to-morrow. But he was

certatoly di.ponett to ke-p Mr. Sslitebory's plan dis-
tinct from the more ;;:etterol °ow of Mr. Owen. or

any other oh eh may be liable to the consideration
tor going twyftnd ,pacific and parochial boundaries.
Ile had no wish whatever that his motion Phanld be

fixed in any manner which could interfere with the
►core enla►ged discussion.
Sir WM. DE CeEsriEsti, said he was extremely
desirous to support any Islam which went by the
cultivation a dressing of flax to give employment
and support to any porticos of the poor. The trials
that had been made by Mr. Salisbury had certainly
proved extremely beneficial and satisfactory, and
his only wish was that they should become more
generally followed, so as to enlarge the practice of
employing the poor in spade husbandry. His mo-
tion for to-morow would be to appoint a Committee
to consider the prooriety and expediency of extend-
ing the benefits of Mr. Owen's plan throughout the
country, for the general improvement of the con-
(Union of the poar. He certainly should be ex-
tre.nely happy to promote Mr. Salisbury's Irian,
hut he should wish the Committee upon it to be
deferred mad his own motion was disposed of.
Mr. Miti.t.tsti expressed a great anxiety to assist
in the promotion of any practical measure in be-
half of the poor.
Mr. STURGES Boußfls suggested that the mea-
sures contemplated should be considered with cau-
tion and calmness. They involved the whole clues-
lion of the state of the Poor's Laws.
Lord FRANCIS OSBORNE repeated the strong ob-
jection he had to the introduction of that impor-
tant question in the manner in which it had been
submitted to Pediment by the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman.
Mr. BooTLE WILBRAHAM was anxious in the
appointment of a Committee to take this Petition
into consideration, to consult the convenience of the
Home, and also of the Hon. Baronet, whose motion
stood for to-morrow.
Mr. lIUSKISSON said that with reference to the
consideration of Mr. Owen's plan, it was possible
the House might not think it expedient to appoint
a Committee to-morrow, to enter into the merits of
so extensive a subject as that plan involved.—
(hear, hear. I—Though they might not do this,
they may nevertheless► consider a plan of a specific
such limited iiisture.—(Hear, /sear.)
Sir W. nit CRF.SPIGNY begged it to be dis-
tinctly understood, that Mr. Owen, in pressing his
plan upon the attention of the House, had not the
smallest idea of deriving any emolument from its
adoption. His only aim was tl►e improvement of
the human race, an object which he urged with
ni-re zeal and perseverance, and with feelings of a
more philanthropic heart, than he had ever before
►net with in any other man who devoted his labours
to an amelioration of the condition of human na-
ture.—(l/ear, hea►.)
Mr. JOHN SMITH said he had no objection what-
ever to the motion now before the House, but he
merely rose to state, that it would be rather hard
to press the consideration of this Petition, an as, in
any manner, to interfere with a discussion, of
which 'voice had been given so many days ago.
Mr. ROOTLE WILBRAHAM explained.
Mr. Alderman Woos wished this motion should
stand over instil the result of to-morrow's was
known; or ehle, that in the event of the appoint-
ment of a Committee for the one. the other should
he referred to the same Committee.
Sir CHARLES BURRELL observed, that with re-
retrace to the ettltieuti 0000 of Hal according to this
plait, the experiment had been tried under the
most favonr.lde auspices. He knew that, instead
of the producti of 17 quarters of wheat in an
acre of ground, only seven were raised according to
the new plan which had been struck out. lie.
therefore, cautioned persons against being so POW.
gstitie in their opinions, that the Ilse of spade col-
tivai ion would be found to equal that of the
plough, and give therelsy that amount of labour to
the. parochial poor which was tos ardently expected.
It could not surely he expected, that the farmer
wistil.l depart from his old plan, unless he were
practically i►npressed with the advantage which
was to accrue to him from altering Isis system. He
would not supersede the old system fur the new,
ui►le-s his, own interest prompted him so to do.
These speculative proposit• ought to be well
and maturely weighed, before they were submitted

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fur parl amentery consideration. lest pub le exp►e -
lotion should be exposed to eventual disappoin
ment.—( Hear.)
Mr. littoustiast perfectly nreoil with the Hon.
Baronet who had spoken last, that sad: ineasare*
ought to be maturely weighed and pruerr&el upon
with the utmost emotion ; at the twine time, that
if any practical plan. provided it were within a nar-
row compass, were aubmitt►d, it would he t‘ell to
consider it attentively. If the propositiou intet.ded
to be submitted to-morrow were of the latter de-
scription, he would be ready to concur in the pry.
prity of its investigation.
Sir C. BURRELL explained.
Mr. Lipri.tvox thought the House should ty,t

at once consent to go into Committees upon Pet.-
bons df this description ; they ought not to gra:4
a facility for the di.cussion of speculative p.aavr-
tions.—/Hear )—Let this Petition lie no the ttiti:e,
sod after Hon. Member* had had wo opportunity of
reading it, then let the further step for Its commit?•
dims be taken.— (Heir.)
Mr. BOOTLE WILBRAHAM wit. pet fret is era: g
to adopt this course iu the pre.ent ip.ronee.
Mr. WI UtsitiottCE *II9 tint salignine in t!•-r
eventdil success of any particular measure upon a
subject so important is the t:moval of tt..t
existing difficulties under which the poor were
placed from the waist of labour. He did Dot
place his faith in the result of any one systen- ;
out the contrary, he thougfit that
there wane
many different sources front which benefit
relief may be derived, whatever might he the ori4i.
nal cause of the evil.—(Heir.)—Soire good. there-
fore, may result from examining w tsristy of plit.4.
though very mistaken globous prer.tiled wit id*
doors reripectiog the power of that liou.e to
viate the condition of particular classes in society.
It was not sufficiently understood that the bar tr-
. wittiness of the House chiefly aitoe from the diffi-
culty of seeing their way through such complicatr
plans with any prospect of eveidu .1 advantage t .
the public. fly a calm, temperate, am! prttet:r.ll

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discussion. he hoped a variety of w::yr may lie di..
covered to alleviate touch of the evil.

Mr. ItooTtA WILBRAHAM then witli.lreiv l.ia
motion for referring the petition of Mr.
to a Committee.—lt WAS latd on the table, and or.
dered to he prin'ed.