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England.. Bel Ilea eossidered that so far free alllach•
tog the people ke lite laws, it would only rouse their
iodignstlon smalls* them. Before -they aielleigotel the
prevent system, (bay would do lien ies cowl*? Whelk" it
was dentin in Fiedler, ur whether lie evils did mat arise
sat of MY ghat*. If it were so emitted, bed, hew wee it
posslbia that each good fruit cosh' bon men se such
a tree? 1F that system, under the laudable meougement of
the Noble Lord, had produced such satisfactory remelts in the
county of Loagfutd, why should it not, if properly eller-
eiseet produce the same beselicial crews he other parts of
the country? The Right Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Costlier's)
said,*Oh! we have now brought back the days of peace and
the nights of trasquillete, we shell sow have the safaraits
norm ;" but the Right Hon. lad Learned Gentleman said,
"Na; that measure wee to be only temporary, sod he looked
forward to the time wises they hope/ to be able to effect
a more lenient system." But be (Mr. Rice) contended that
alikeogh a caste might be made ant to justify this measure, yet
they were bowed to adhere to the Cusalitotiets 'where they
latnehated as ulterior measure. They should not disgrace
the Magistrates before they had takes some steps to render
them efficient ; they should And purge away the dross, and
then see how the metal would week.—(Hear, hear.)—Or the
subject of expense, unless they were prepared et *bastion
the present system before they introduced a sew one, the
ealcolstions of the Right Hos. and Learned Gent'. man
were incorrect, for then the cosine, would he burdened
sot only with the present system, but also with the ex.
pesos arising from the new measures.—(Hear,
The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad contended,
' that this measure was a constitutional measure, benese the
Crown was the fountain of office; bat on that prideiple they
might go on multiplyng offices ad ire/lei/sun. If be were
asked how many new offices were created, be would eay,
nearly 5,000 new ones. But he objected to the Idea of this
wenn with any question of Illiaassee. They (mild not do
away the cayenne laws, for that only rested with the Clieseerellee
of she Exchequer. He had taken the Iroubleof compariag the
number ofihe Magi s with lb try, and he found they
bore this proport ion: In Limerick and Tipperary they were as
one to meaty-Ave square miles, sod one to Ave iloonised of the
population. In other counties they were as one to eaves sad
a belt square soiled, and one to theca thousand and form-
thereof the populatum. He called spin the Germinated to
purify the Magistrates, for it was the infusion of bed blood into
diem, and not the want of independent men loan as Ma-
gistrates, that rendered the system so extremely defective;
they should follow the example of the county Lougford, in.
which Oho system bad bees foetid to work well. He WAS
sorry he did not see the Members for the comity Mayo in
the Hesse, for in that county the same salstary effects had
' been produced. He would now addon asi authority, te
which some weight would be attached on the other side.
11 was the speech of the Right 1100. Gentleman opposite
(Mr. Peel) id the discussion of that measure which went by
his name in Ireland. He stated on that occasion, that be
was Ohs sure, if the system were made permanent, it would
be impossible to prevent abuse. The principle of she pee.
sent Bill was the same, and if carried into execution it
would deprive the people of the means of improving their
emsdidon, sir preserving the itasquillity of the country.—
(Hear, beer.)
lie J. NEWPORT said be bad carefully examined the
neessore before them, an/ if be conceived it emsl4 he
begeficial to Ireland be shoold sot oppose it. If the pre-
seat system of police is Ireland was fogad hearicial in
Longford, why should it sot in other parts of the coquetry ?
and he would ask, was this a time to introduce • measure
diverging as widely as possible from the policy that should
be pursued towards Ireland, on the sole responsibility of
the Executive Government, say, from the operation of its
details on the responsibility of thee inferior agents ? He
considered the Bill would give the greatest offence le the
Magistracy of Ireland, and he hail authority fur stating that
many independent Magiosates would throw op their Co..
'mission if the Bill passed. If it was only to the details of
measure he was opposed, he should have the less objection to
ping into theCoinenittee ; hot after the most serious coon
&ratios he could bestow epos It, the resell be came to wan
Ibis, that it disappointed all the hopes be liadesteriaisied; that
Instead of assimilating the Government of Ireland to that of
Eaglasid, it more than ever destroyed the resesoblaees. It
would tend to alienate Gentlemen from their homes;
stead of presenting, it would increase absestreskilp, god pe-
ewit commerciel speculators is this country from veaNug
their espied in Ireland.—(Heer, hear.)—He believed that
mu emu was more attached to Ireland than be was.—(Cheers
from bon sides of the Haase.)—He felt as warmly sa any
man that noblest of all the passions of the busses heart,
the love of country; but should the Bill now before the House
ever become the law of Ireland, he sboold never more coo-
eider it his country —(Loud cheers.)
Mr. PEEL said he was quite sure, that if the examination
of
the nnesore nee before the Hone could leave led the
Right lion. earemet to approve of it, he should have been
harpy to Wee bad his support, but as he had come to • differ.
ens result, be wan not the less disposed to believe the since-
rity of his evolution. He perfeetly agreed with the Hon.
Baronet behind (Sir Henry Parnell), that a great incon-
venience existed is Ireland for want of fame cfficer as a
channel of communication between the respective counties
and the Government, like the Lords Lieutenant of counties
in England. Ulm* • former occasion, he stated that great
difficulties did exist in the way of the reformation of the
magistracy. That Body of men was still defective, on ac-
count of the great •bseuteeship. It appeared to him that there
was a defect in the Rill which might be remedied relative to
the Ministrates. Os the discussion of the Peen Peewees-
Coo Act, he opposed the proposition for establishing ad-
peodiary Magietraley. There might be a necessity fur some
few in aerials districts where there was not a Magistrate
within 30 or 40 toile" ; and he would recommend his Right
Hen. Fiume' not to take an unlimited power, but only et ti-
ned that clause respecting stipendiary Magistrates tat those
districts in which it became necessary, either (sow theabsesee
of the resident gentry, or the neglect of duty on the part
of the Magistrates. The simple quessiou before them was,
in what way the constables should he appointed. Some
were anxious to assimilate the practice to that of England.
Nothing undoubtedly would be more desirable if it were
practicable, but the condition of the enmities was too different
to suppose that, fur some time at least, constables could be
got to act in Ireland gratuitously. He implored the Horse
I nut to discourage a plan which professed to remedy such error.
mows evils. If this measure Ins successful it would not wily
introduce • better system of police, but habituate the people
of Ireland to the greatest of all blessings, an equal, unvary-
ing, and impartial administration ofjostice.—(Cheers.)
Mr. ABERCHOMBY time to tames. Ms dempproliseion
of a measurewhich Me nesidered so dangerous'. He thought
she first step to be taken *mild be to reform the magistracy.
He knew great difficillties lay in the way, as far as regarded
feeling; but there was so difficulty fur a man who was
determined to du his duty, even at the risk of a little on•
popularity. The consequesire of this measure would be, to
make very respectable Magistrate retire from she Commis-
sion, fur they would sooner withdrew than ester into a doubt-
fel contest with those intliwdemls who should be appointed by
the Government. He was surprised a little that the tiecrrtary of
Stale did nut seem better acquainted with this measure before
it was introduced, foam which Ise would infer that it orig.,-
stated solely with the Irish Government. The Noble Lord at
the brad of the Irish Government had ones been compared in
Ism administration of India with Bonaparte, cad if any ono
wished to discover the leading principle of Bunaparte's char.
racier, he world and is in obis 8.11. Bunaparte's principle was,
that all government should proceed flogs him. So said the
Marquis Wellesley. I and the people compose the na-
tion at large." He should give bas must decided uppoo-
tion to this Bill, vehicle he considered of a must amnion
character.—(Hear, bear.)
Lord LONDON DERRY recommended, as the best ening
the Horse could purser would be, to consent to she second
reading; and 111 she Committee they would have an oppor-
tunity of discussing its details more fully.
Lord ALTHORP said, that as his objections extended
to she principle of the measure, he considered it better to
diming it now, for be could net give big sweat to the
present Bill after any modibeee'vn whatever. He eons.
mooted ibe prisetples of the Bill, which appealed
him highly objectionable, and he deprecated she no-
tonettiolionel powers which ihe Bull would give to the
Lord I.leatenaue. Is was a Bill which might out, io bin
opintou. to be adopted in this or any free worry under al-
mom sup eircumulalacca.
Mr. C. GIIANT sold he had hitherto entertained the 'rips

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hid to express that dissent in this isstsed. The subject bad
eugoessed Meek of the attention of the late Irish Goers.
eddies hid been ender consideration, but afire the salt
swam deliberation he did sot feel warraoteil in proposie
such a esemare.—(Hear, hear.)—One of the first sod most
imported ohjects of Government was certainly to secure the
free aid edicedows adasiddrothe• of the laws, hat it wroin.
tumbrel on the Legislature to geed against the purchase of
that object st the price of my oilier of the valuable Mei.
Minn 401 tbie Mushy.—Glen, hear)—Hid *my oilier
less objectionable method yet bees tried of eradieating those
evils which it was the professed object of this Bill to remove
—(tter, hear.)—What was the plain effect of the measure
sow proposed It was simply this: Ti place the whole of
Ireland ender the operation of as armed police, or, is odor
words, of • gens.d'armerie. Illediemismably the overinflate
of Minna Se Ireland required a remedy. No mats mole 10.. fa
at the Police and the Magjeiracy le Ireland willow fettles
She stermity of some remedial measure. Rat was this io.i
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ways disqoalifed Ibr the situation,
had found their way into die Commission. The ecu• -
queues was, that it ales happened that the Magisteate s of
a district were is • state of warfare with each other ; cad
a still (muse diesel was the disgestiog of the fittest
aid mod desirable part of the Magistracy, and their refusal
to associate with the others is the diielloge of their Mr..
Rot was the objection bets to the principle, or to the pew-
-6(4'1104 ? If it was nut that pemaiple of •gwaSednoweiSla.
gleamy dim wee obiecend se, why was not elm meardy 'lewd
accordingly ? If the defect wee set MI the principle, why
was not the practice changed ? V the appointments of the
Magistracy and the constables had been regularly sod pro.
perly moodeeted, sad still found imellitteel, he mold
have exceed to elienge the whole opine. Bat why, he
must ask, was • nee system to be istrodueed, when
it was admitted that the 'debate regelmiod MA she
been truly and folly acted upon ! The Mouse was
bound, before it sanctioned this measure, to rail
on Bose who proposed it to skew that every fair experiment
as coastitutimal pgimiples had berm tried sad found defeco
etiovieer—(ooCuilieemot
of thin Bill, awindyispeweraesabboluendprelleimprin:es
tti:t she
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other less objectionable measure wreald be subtlest. Mira
he looked back to pest perioda—imilies be meowed die
distwrhaads of 1770, he there (mad the same complaints of
the supineness and inactivity of .be Magistracy. Is 17117 it
was the same, and is every subsequent period of disturb-
ance, and no systematic attempt had yet been made tat
cheese the character Grebe Magistracy. Two years ago this
subject had come under the cossiderstim of the Irish Co-
mmonest, and its Miceli°e was tweed to the complete ire.
also at the Cu mission of the Peace. The unarm carfare
dated* was he ktiew bestowed by the Lord Chancellor is
perfection that object; and six mouths ago be vies Warmed
that ono more sham two or three counties reunified to be gem
through. He concluded, therefore, that by this time the
work mast have bees completed. Why alms had this pee
bees produced?—(Hear, bear! The noise from a pimento
part of the Hush*, oecesioned repeated cries of " Bar, heir)
He was sure be seed sot remind the House that affirm ai
subject of the deepest importance; end not less tie to Bag-
, land than to Iteland,—(Hear, hear, hear.)—For if the
moctiosed the introduction of a sedum of this asteerti.
batimal *stare into belted, what was to purest the ap-
plicedios of • similar measure to this toiletry ?—(Rear.)—
The system of grateitues parochial constables might, is his
°polo% be eseeessfelly tattoduced into Ireland, and the
experiment ought to be made. The state of the meaty or
Longford, which had bees so much alluded to, afford the
struneast argument la I of his view of the subject...-
That had bees brought ahoisi by the system introduced by •
Noble Freed of his (Lord Forbes), whom be shosld ba happy
to see at that bar to give no lbw House an stemmed of Itisult-
aerial loss and expertesee on the *object. Hr (Loaf Forties)
had felt that his owe homer would be compromised by permit-
hag the introduction into his county of the Government po-
lite; be had therefore applied himself to the adessioa of
system which had so pettedly succeeded is premeretne
the peace sad liasquillily of the county, that while all
arnesd it was subject to the opei stint' of tee Peace
Preeertratio• and lesserectios Acts, that was left to Bo
owls police, and so securely aid effectually was the law
Veers admisaistreed, that at the most crowdsd fair • sin-
gle constable was infficieat to take into custody the moss
popular delinqueot.—(Loud sheers.)—He must protest
sealant this Dili as one of the must einaseasereable injustice
to leased ; inasmuch as it went to sabers the whole of 11
counties to a message framed foe the suppresses of do.
terbamee existing rely is six. He objected to it, became
he mum ever object to the principle that that constitutional
system which was applicable to England would out be fur
Itelasd.—(Cheers.)—And he must again object to the sys-
tem of extraordinary legislative interposition es every
ominous of local sod temporary disturbeece is that emetry.
To that fatal system which had been Cuastantly pursued lied
gradually incressed from the White Boy Act to Ike mord
period, was it owing that the Peace Penetration Act, which
was only (rimed fora temporary end extraordinary prom,
was now its an aggravated sod exaggerated tom shout to be
established as a perenauent measure—(Hear, bear.)—H.
objected to it as a preventive measure, because it was is
she very nature of such a measure, es applied, to lead to the
uppresrive and dangerous exercise of • previous iiisisi-
tion—a system of search and conjecture of aims-.
Nut the least extraordinary part of this Bill was the sat of
authority vested Is the high constables. To introit the
peace of a county to the protection of inferior officers of
that dereription, was like placing an army under the cum
mend of a seijeaut.unejor. Ibis species of bleb constabk
world virtually supersede the Magistrate. For what Mars-
traternild refuse lo act issues warrant, fur isstaace, when-
ever he should tequtre it ? Roods( bum to be • confidential
agent, in coomantofficisl correspondeote with the Govermado,
the Magistrate could sot refuse to coder in his destauds, be-
cause he might have taformation from Government oakum*
to the Magistrate which feudistl it sec. y. Mess out the
tendency of rich • state of things, be would ask, be to render
the Madrid, indsff rest and carelees about the peace of his
c he ex.
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the enxitreenastedive the H.. al
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measure,
which was entirely at the disposal sad mild the eselosi oat
of the Croon, het of the Lord Lieutenant, aid removable by
his dinctiou from one part of the toady in the other. Hs
would ask, whether this system did not carry within itself
the semis of corruption ? To suppose it is action feet lies
corrupt sad misclemoss &polo-atom, try must lame those
coneeried with it to be glee must malice of men, sad whistle
foes from the cameos influences and potatoes •b•ili
boutau nature was subject. He elitisd upon the HNYM• 0"1
to unite keel( with th s measars, which went to establish si
wide a distinction of conesi tutorial character, no sit. tly err -
eviscilable • system of interoal goverement Weide the too
modeles; but to consider the laureled of !reload as pre
mance ily and ireepaeably sailed with those of this cotietiy.
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but by some legislative enactment of this nature. The lola.
cop', of this Bill use known to almost every Magistrate in
Itetand; and he (Mr. Martin) diclared upon his honour,
slat a
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Sir N. COLTHURST said he had heard no reseed, Pie'
posed for the evils that distracted Ireland before this, which
in his edition sem eakailated for thew removal. It had hires
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Mr V. Fll ZGERA 1.0 said the speech of his Right Ron,
Ftirsd (Mr. C. Giusti), the ability of which he admired, soil

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