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LIVERPOOL PETITION.

General GA*COYME presented a Petition frog
the Merchants of Liverpool against the Cotton
Wool Prohibition Bill. praying to be beard by their
Counsel. at the Bar of the House. on the third
reading of the Bill. The Petition wairordered to
lie on the Table.

Mr. BANKS* gave notice he would, to-morrow,
move for td a. t of a committee to in-
spect the Journa is of the House of Lords, for the
purpose of ascertaining the reasons assigned in that
House for the rejection of the Bill for piohibiting
the granting of Offices in Reversion by the Crown.
which had been sent up to their Lordships by the
COllllllOllll. and there thrown out.
Sir Aarne a l'imiare said he had been instructed
by the constituents of Mr. John Fuller, late Mem-
ber of this House for the county of Sussex. (mho
had, in consequence of Mr. Fuller's determination
to make no defence against the Petitioner. Mr.
Sargesison, resolved ou taking his defence on them-
selves, and had raised fur that purpose a very con-
viderahle subscription,) to move the House that the
Petitioner should be ordered to make out and deli-
ver to their agent an accurate list of the votes polled
by him in that election ; and that a similar return
should be made on their part, and deli. ered to the
Petitioner on or before thi aoth of March ; also
the list of exceptions token by the parties vgainst
numerous voters polled in that election.

Mr. HumaniseKr said he would certainly oppose
Any such proceeding of the )louse. Since the con-
stituents, in taking the part of the Sitting Member,
who had in fact abandoned his beat, had under-
taken the cause with all its inconvenieucies on its
head. This application should have proceeded
from' thr•fiating Member, according to custom
Wog time ; but the House had even come to the

day on which the ballot took Owe, without any
application whatever. from the Sittiu; rileuiber,
hose who represented him iu this. Petition. It te.,
:lite the low on this subject had gtveu every 16,.
able iudidgenre to the Petitioner!. whoever gel
might Le, tier aseertaining the number of vo;.
3.o%eii, with the eircupvtaiicees of the ohisertilais
made, and exceptions teken, to each indivithi6l,
for the purpose of instating au nipple body of
loony, to he submitted to the Committee, tuAi
lleoce to hours the election of the fair and real
,Member ; but it had eke provided that no incoie
enience should arise to one party from the late
application of the other for lists of this nature, lie
contended it was absolutely inspossible to campy!
with this application within the time prescribed,
since there were only three days given to make out
these lists, although the election itself continued
fifteen days; and the county in which it was held
was in extent upwards of eighty miles ; he really
considered the proposition wade to the House
preposterueu and unprecedented.
Mr. TILIINCY contended, that the parties we,
now in exactly the same situation as if the Sittioe
Member had taken • his place iu the House,
hence the Petitioners had a right to e.tpect to be
placed in the same situation as they would him
been. bad the application been mode sooner. Mr.
Fuller had neglected to eater into his defence and
apply for these lists, under the conviction that the
Petitioner would not hare persisted in his Pet.
tion. Of this fact he was certain most of the Meal.
hers were apprised. He thought the law was at
favourable to the claim of the Petitioners, es it
the application had been made by the Sitting
'Member, since the only objeetthe law had in view
was the convenience of all parties, and the attnia.
mentof justice. . .

After an explanation across the Table. by Mr.
Hysiiiisox and Mr.Tintxte.

Mr. WILLI/LUG WYNNE said, the causes of the
delay were so liable to suspicion, and so •many
ir-
statues had before been afforded to the House of
a sort of collosion between the Freeholders and
the Petitioner, so that in some instances they had
even given their support to a ma•t of straw, totally
uagWtbtied to hold a scut in Parliament, in order
to procure the return of the other on O Petition ;
that although he knew of nothing like it in the
pr eat instance, he considered it 'better to adjourn
tt.e consideration of the Pet►tion brought forward
.by his Honourable Friend until to-morrow, whin
the subject might be mere amply discussed, sad
the sense of the House fairly taken.

The CPIANCELLOII, of the EXCHP.QUER" said, he
thought there was no great difficulty iu deciding the
question now befisre them. Wbat had been s I
of the circumstances of the elective' was not
plicable to the question at issue. The simp'e
question for their consideration was, the complaint
of Pie Petitioners. They did not desire the House
to put them in a better Way than if the contcst was
with the Sittiug Member, but flier wished the Pe-
titioner himself should notle'iriseed iu a better
situation by the Sittin Member net haring
kept his scat. fie thought it should be ciecided
ultituately upon the same principle as the Middle-
sex Election. If the lion. Gentleman. bowery,
wished for that time, which he corisiderethmercer
eery, he would, notaitiastanditig;hare no otojectim
to agree in the postponement of its consideration.
Mr. PONIIONIBY thought the delay absolutely
necessary. Nothing And mar reek oceurred of i
similar nature iu the history of Parliament. This
decision would become a precedent in future ; wad
he warned Parliament of forming a rule fur tiie
regulation of the purity pf election, without me-
rely considering its nature and consequences.
Mr. Met:4sta said, he had formerly the honour
to present the petition complaining of the undue
election, and was eertuin no Other reason existed fee
the mistake or delay. bat in the inexperience of the
Petitinuets.

Mr. TIRINET, Mr. linsitraaow, and Mr. HALL,
entered into some soplanatiosas ;and _ _

Sir A. PIGDOTT Mild, he cosiidered the doctrine
laid down by the 11Enisterial side of the House to
be of the most dangerous tendency. He was sur-
prised to hear it said, the Petitioners should he li-
mited in the time in which the application should
be made for the supplying of 114 s; he protested
against any such construction being put on tin
laws relating to elections. He woe then called vi
order by Sir WILLIAM ELcoare, as 'departing from
the question.
Lord G. CATZNIIIII thought it necessary to ad.
. journ the decision of the present question.
Sir V. G 1585 was of opinion no unfisir doctrine
had been laid down by his Right Hon. Friend, wits
at most had but delivered a bare opinion.
The consideration of the petition was then de-
ferred until to-morrow. .

Lord H. PST FT brought up the report of the
Ilever.y Election Petition, stating, the Sitting
.Nitatilters. John Wharton, and Richard William
Ho% ard Vyse, Emigre, duly efected, and the Petitiou
neither frivolous nor vexatious.

Mr. Tot, is GetsvittEsaid, he felt it hi.
duty to wore for the
_production of some Paper.
relative to the Expedition to tTie nr
this intention he had apprised the Houk, sad
hoped there would now be no objection tuade to it
by the Right 11.711. Secretary of State.
Mr. Secretary CANINCNU Auld, he was apprise,'
of the nature of the Papers required. and had
objection to their production.
Mr. (.4ss v LLE then mai ed—

" That an humble Adit,se he prevented to Hie Majcsi.,
requesting that a Copy of the Letter, No. it 7, cf Mr. A,
hathoot to the Foreign Secretary, in which hr descriLe tl
facility with whirls a liriti‘h squadron might rffect the ar,•
leetion of the Turkish Putter• in the Shuichi, ;—and she
Copier of Letter front (Wirers in the Navy, on the Sala,
subject, counolii, kneed to Curernineut :—alto Lord Hon ice's
Dispatch, in loner, to the Letter of Mr. Arbuthnot ; may
be laid before the House."

• I Aird I I M limns a,ked % question relative to the
contents of the dirpcteli ? which was answered 1.,)
Sir. Cam %lan, awrow. the table. • _

The motion agreed to, and the address ordertd
to be prepared accordingly.
Lord A. HAMILTON Kane notice he would, ot.
Thursday se'siiiight, move a resolution in favour • 1
the conduct mei fidelity of the Nabob of Oude..
A Messenger fromthe Lords announced to t:
House their Lordships hoviii4 given their assent'
the Marine Mutiny WI, the Exchnuer Bills
guts:ion Nil, the LondonW•tter arks
some private Bills, without any aineadment.

Lord H. Prerr, vriAerl to he informed by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ireland, whom.
be war glad to perceive in the 1-111-vzse, when it
o•us his intention to bring forward a Bill for
the porpose of rendering erleetual the Orders of
Council, in Ireland?
Mr. FOSTER, the Citaxci.w.on. of the Intsn
EXCIILQUEit, repliel, he 'only waited use••rt.iin
the precise lea4th th • present Bill picw..e I
in its enactment, on this he intended to frame the
Bill he proposed to suhmit to the tlou.e for

Ireland.
Mr. Tieostv.y thought there did exist no
city for the delay ; he was of opinkon, the s:. ,!..,n
pursued by the Chancellor of the Irish F.xeliequer
was totally arregnlar, and contrary to the order of
the House, to wait for the result of decisions in
other places, when the circumstances of the tittles,
and the enforcement of the measures of (loran-
meet, required the immediate uid of eh. I.egi*-
lature, with respect to that part of the c.,11„1.„
but it:eluded in the terms of the late inia..tmcnt.
Mr. FOSTER said, the Bill should be drawn up
eiith all possible accuracy; and he would elides-
% our to preserve it free horn objection.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHCQRCR was sur-
prised to find Gentlemen on the oppp.ite ,141.• of
the House wish to hurry the House into iegi,iattivt*
ormagetuents; yet,on a lorinci oeo:t.ion, they i,hed
above all things the Home should ponder and
delay awhile, for the purpose of securing a prudent
mutation of these measures. He felt attained of
these contemplative and &afore gentlemen's con-
duct on this occasion, which differed so %Wily, and
was as Meassistesit *hit the principles they bad
formerly professed.
Several Gentlemen rose at once, and; amongst
others, Mr. TisaNEY, who proceeded to address the
house, but was CAW to order by the SPEAKiR,
who submitted there hid been uo question for some

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'.O time before the Houve.-
1- Mr. Mangy again rose and said, he would
a: take an early opportunity of collecting the sense
Id of the House on the manner in which he had been
id interrtyted in attempting to address the House.
iy Tue Ca tecetton of the latou Eitel(EduElL rose
N. to -nove that the Houses should resolve itself into a
1; Co . o Ace, to take into consideration the dth Re-
lic 1..) . 1 t ii.• Committee of Inquiry in Ireland.—
rn W.:cn :.. t "ominittre he moved "That it is the opi-
rd n:, . of use Committee, in consequence of the sug-
va o, ma- of the Commissioners of Inquiry, that
nd I I ~ogo should he freedfroto all &reran to the Crown
due by the former possessors." 'The House was re-
lie smut.A, and the report ordered to be received to-

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Mr. Scerebtry Csernixn moved the order of the
day for the House going into a Committee of Sup-
-I.ly, which was agreed to. , The Rt. Ilon.Seeretary
said lie had to draw the attention of the House to
the supplies to be granted to Ills Majesty to
enable him to support his engagements with
Sweden. Of all the postmen the Contiaant, with
whom this country had been engaged in alliance,
this was by far the best entitled to the confidence
and gratitnde of the nation. She had been an
eminent instance of fidehty:aad constancy amongst
the flueteatioas and cheagings of the various nu.
ti.rus of Europe. The applause of this country,
however was not to he the only coessoktion or re-
source of Sweden ii her posenst critial situation;
but she lied mereceigpieedeuy other portion of gra-
' iitade, until we found it oar indispeasablo daze.d
immediate interest te arms Sweden in our
No treaty had been mode; no subsidy been entered
into. He had maintained a large fOrce at hisser ex-
pense, during a considerable part of the present '
war, and bad net received any compensation.
During the former part, 'tie true, he had received
subsidy, for the egress purpose of maintain-
ing and augmenting his force to Peateraaia, is
order to prove a eheck on the operatiens of the
French army. This unfottunstiely had proved
ineffectual, from unforeseen nsisfortmaes. In Oc-
tober the remainder of this subsidy had been dis-
charged, but since that, no subsidy or supply had
been granted to that ; since then the temper
and inclination of this • ul Ally hod been
tried most severely, and France had endeavomrod
by threats and remonstrances is induce leer into
a league against this country. In consequence
of her ',resat to join the enemies of England. she
had heraillf become the immediate o'ject of the
vengeance of the Emperor of France. Oa this
OCuTOOD we were called en imperiously by the
recollection of his fidelity and courage, as well as
by the digs ity of our own character, to support
him to the uttermost. The intention of the prompt
treaty was different from those of other times,
we had formerly subsidized other countries for
the purpose of conquest, the preset was only in-
tended for the maintenance and support of the King
of Sweden in the inidiniirlied possession of his own
territory. lie had hitherto avowed our sentiments,
artd-mentained our interests, without any Induce-
ments-brit his attachment to the interests of Eng-
land, yet this certainly did not lessen his claim to our
support—t are he was more to be applauded and
remunerated for adhering to our cause without be-
ing engaged to us by any express stipulations.
Our conduct tuSwerleit was not without precedent.
We bad maintained Prussia and her dominions
during the seven years war, by subsidy and assist-
ance, without imp immediate interest of conquest
or emolument. On coneludiag the terms of this
treaty with our most steadfast ally, it hail lie en
thought unneressary to enter into minute stiptaitt-
tiono ; his zeal had Area hitherto nuliounrlc4l, and
it 'night have tal.en the alarm if we hail been too
precise and determinate. Genernl asiiitanct: had
• beau demanded, for whit li we hail promisrd sup-
plies of money. The woynient, however, rentoitted
altogether in our power, so that on :MN* deficiency
of assistance, we posseised the means of re‘l-es, hy
withholding the instalments vet due, which were to
be mails monthly. The %hole seihsl.lv consisted
of laoo,oool. sterling, to be !Ilia by negaliiielits
of 10(40001. per month, the first of which had been
already discharged by the vote of credit. I l,• then
movei,
I "That it is the opinion of this Committee, that t-1,n.T001
lee Toted to IN M.tii sty, to enatie Lim to fultii hi. figriie-
fosect with %rodeo ^
Wir.IVatTBREAD rose, not to oprio‘e tlic sub -o! y,

be, yet the spplati ..onferref; om worthy nll ;
but he thought unfair CM.; blioulri *he
nivel with an exe .tion to all .trier natio-A in
Earoin. Austt.a, and eve:, ' Denmark, h.1(1 me-

tired highly of chill connt►y. ne dieereti with the
Right Honourable Gentletnan as to the real po-
licy of tins country respet ting Sweden ; pewee into
the oatiy resource for that country, war would ter-
unuate in her destntetion since France we re-

sulve4 on her ruin, it was not just to compel ,her
thus to court 0-ott rub, for our apparent and mo-
mentary advantage. No pe:ice was to be COO-
elud.-Nl, according to this Teetity, hut by common

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cust.ent. I.hti but euis either cut her coti- from al-

most ull hopes of pence, or else did it not sanction
the disregard of the mica solemn esig,getneuts
It Wlii au ald.tiuual WOW against the morality of
itathcas. A kr eninpaitt with Sardinia, in the
last war, .had exposed us to disgrace in the
conclusion of the TreAty of Amiens. He did
not mean to say be coodemued that Treaty,
but he regretted the circumstance of violation
of treaty and plighted engagements. It had been
rumoured, he bait', we were about to semi a

large force to Sweden, and bud stipulated she
elwuhl kevp her flotilla in order. This savoured
stru..gly of co-operation, although the Right lion.
Secretary had said no such design had been enter-
tained by this country. A great omission had been
made in the treat•.; for though we had stipulated
to supply money and troop, yet we had not con-
cluded those arrangements which respected the de-
struction of the trade of France by neutrals, and

in which it was ueccssary that country should ex-
pressly comply, to render thew effectual.. This
poiut, at least, should have been adjusted, espe-
cially as we had settled that such arrangements
should have taken place by the Convention of
Sztick:iolin. These remarks he thought necessary
to make, as hewished his sentiments on the passing

subjects of political discussion and general lute:
rests should stand on record. He hoped the Com-
mons would make good the supply, but wished
also to accompany this supply with an intimation,
that it had been better to supply the _King of
Sweden with assistance, from time to time, rather
than by express treaty and provisions ; and also to
exprem their disapprobation of that part of the
treaty relating to the conclusion of a pence, as well
at the culpable neglect of the rvgulmtions respect-
ing trade. He then read resolutions to the follow-
ing effect, which he said he would propose to the
House as soon as the report of the Cotumittee was
brought up :

• That the Commas would make gaod the stippva to
His Majesty, to ({able hl to effect bia sagagetueuts uith
Sweden.
a That they.lamented the stipulation of the gd Article of
the Treaty, mitering Me joist amoclurion of peace, as Cmo
lam and tsjurious In national fidelity.
" That they aka regretted H. Madestja .Minister had
entered tutu a stipulation of a 'commercial nature, though
the country bsd been let to .aeLet such with ansiety."

Mr. CANNINJ objected to o adasess being
presented to His Majesty. lle c•eilol not hey iin.i is-
mg that such arrangemeutts as ;Lei ;teen proposed
would have been objectiouslile. Ilc would Live
had no objection to have pledged this country to
en unlimited support, but it surely would not have
been so fair to have doled out the measure of our
assistance as we ittlicht think it proper. The exer-
tions a the King of Sweden, must be sudden and
universal, while ocr aid must come in gradually.—
He would ask auy man how we could give a fair
chance to the King of Sweden making exertions
for his own defence, if wa did smi..reippaefisius,
with stipulated assistance ? As to the engagement.
ant to make a separate peace, he should merely ob-
serve, that no mutual engagement was binding to
end) an extent that it could not be altered or in-
friaged by the consent of both parties. Either of
the parties could make a separate peace by making
proper representations to the other. With regard
to the omission of any artieles as to the acquiescence
of Sweden in the Orders of Council, how could
that he inserted, when these Orders had not yet
been carried into effect by he House ? We had,
however, the assurance of the Swedish Governs
went, that they would send over a person to this
toiletry to eater into our views upon this subject.
It was intended that proportional duties should be
laid upon them, similar to those to be raised here,
and on that account it was thought most proper that
this arrangement should be made in this country,
rather thou utStockhohn. To have entered intoany
farther particular stipulations, would have delayed
the conclusion of the present treaty.
Mr. Poesott et thought that the entering into a
convention with the King of Sweden, to furnish
tun with a subsidy for twelve months, was more
likely a great deal ti induce him to make a struggle
which he was perfectly convinced would end in
nothing but that Monarch's own ruin. He thought
that England had totally mistaken her own inte-
rest in respect to the Continent, as it would have
been better to have ghee sums of money to keep
the Continent in a different state from what it was,
rather than enabling the powers of the Continent to
go on against Frame. Ile meant that it would
have been better to have endeavoured to effect a
peace amongst the Continental Powers, rather
than provpke war, which only tended to produce
the aggrandisement of France. In this particular
opinion, he was sure that many of throe with whom
he acted differed from him. Ile did not think that
it would be either honourable or wise, to refuse
making good this grant of money. His opinion
however, was, that Logland could do nothing bet-
ter than advise Sweden to make a Peace as soon us
possible, not only fotthe interests of Sweden herself,
hut of this country. Illo;:s:sirte wished
.nothing
more than to get into llis own hoods the situation
and the awaits of Sweden, to use them against this
cottetry, and if we eueourse;ed Sweden to pursue
the contest, this would actually happen. The
consequence would be, that France would be
in possp,sinn of all those armies and resources
which will be sent to oppose him, and which nobody
could doubt he-a oultl employ against this country.
lie wished that this money should he employed
rather to purchase a tolerable or even a bad Peace
for Sweden, than to encourage w coutinuanceof war.
As to the article it hick related to nicking a joint
penee. he tlionght Ministers ought not to be against
sdvising• I Iss;Majesty to release Sweden from such a
sti pule t tun. He would have liked thetteaty better, had
it not contained that article, twit threw impediments
in the a vof Sweden making a peace, sod a:so pre-
vented us from doing so without the consent of
Sweden. As to that part which related to our send-
ing a subsidiary force to Sweden, hr hoped that
rs wee not serious in doing so, as we might
rkde,,ci upon it, that it was in the power of France