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The Sloes xra infornsed the Ilona', he had re-
ceived a letter front liver-Admiral Ds; twiny, re-
forming hat ttiati4ks isor the Itoktour does him by the
;see that H,eiitte. noticing hie exertithis in the
emliseketioe of oil r treys at Cortuiita which was
trail ea.! ordered to be catered on the Juunials
of the Howie.
A person from the Treasury presented a Report
of the aspoitist of titre Bovesties paid on the lm-
visitation of Fish tut the last year into the port of
A Report peas also presented. of the unwise of.
Shies etueloetl in Int Whatn fishy'.
Mr. Husetssue broit4'.it iii the roc tontine-
log the Prohibition of the Distillation from Oralu
in Great Britain, for a kneed per;od, mid for pre-
ventiag the onporteihse of Malt Spirits from Ire-
land and feieige pouts. The read Wet
tiuee, and ordered to be read a second time.
Mr. WARDLIt sate 1 to the Hew,: !newish to
indulge, tie-:untrue, in an opportemity of giving•
• farther teethooso. in addition to that which lie
gave last night, iit order to correct • a mistake he
had heels led into. He had since recollerted Ife
had seen Mrs. Clarke on the morning of 'Tisesilay
last, 'niece& of the eve:eine. as lie had deted ; and
wished to hare that rectitirOl.
Mr. Secretary Cousins lireueld op the Pipers
relative to the appeisioneut of Alr.'ilelfery to the
Flair of Consul-Getterel in PorttepsL Ordered to
be 'yr; ilk if.
Mr. Mesa? Mearte moved, " That the Papers
relative to the 110.1 i.,, to the Aeeet se
i
Ceyion, which were laid on the table yesterday, he
printed."
Mr. Hoseissoe ebjecteil to the motion, on the
ground of unnecesoarilv addine te the a; rvit ex-
rare incurred by printing by (irate of the Hoes.
entree there• were grounds which rendered it expe-
dieut in the preseat inetauce.
Mr. M eerie COnCeIIIPA that where accounts re-
latire to the expenditure of public money are laid
• before the Meuse; it was a inotims of counie where
any Member w,alle.l to make them more psodir by
Piloting. in orthir o draw tilt attention of Members
to them.
Mr. Waamv.a mired. That proper pi.rsons
froniehe Military t Ace of his Royal Highutes the
Placer york a., to-morrow. attend tilt CO , •ttee
of the whole House, appointed to intittifr into the
eirescluet of his Royal Ilighsteee, with regard to pro-
issotious, with the booke of the Office, containsug
the lists of applications tut liberty to purchase by
Sabalternis, 'during the period in which l'optain
Mating had obtained his three commissions ; and
also the hooks containing the lists of the Subaltern
Officers during the same period."
Mr. PEAGFI'AI. wished the latter part of the Mo-
tion might be postponed till to-inotrow, in order to
see Whether any inconvenience might atteud the
production. Itrthere were no objection, they could
easily be produced iinnierlietely. if utoved for, YU as
not to retard the iliselissiois.
Mr. WARCI.F; declared he had no objection, and
proponed the entire motion till to morrow.
Mr. WHITBREAD wislip.l to he informed whether
Sir Arthur Wellesley heel continued in possession
of the office of Chief Secretary tor Ireland, during
tile period lie Wil* rendering such isuportaut sere
trims to his cinestry *bored
Sir Aerne WF.LLKIILYW answered, that it had
been considered that his continuing to hold that
*Mee did not preclude hie being employed in the
service of his country elsewhere. 'rhe Noble Duke
at the head of istilsire in that coinstry had certainly
the oopertuuity of miming another to the situation,
during his alieestee, if it hod heels found requisite.
Ile hail beets absent from the =tabor July to Au-
gust; dining that ()triad he had received his salary
as Secretary. but his !el only for a part of it. He
certainly could not afford to be deprived both of
pay and salary.
Mr. WHITBRit AD WM about to make some obser-
vation on this niatteneut, when he was interrupted
by the Seemsen, on the point of order, to know if
he 'smut to submit any motion ? He replies!, he
merely meant to use the iisdulgseice of the House
for a few minutte; but if he was to be prevented,
he should certainly feel it Isis duty, tearoom futon,
slay, to move that the office of Chief Secretary fur
Ireland is an inefficient place.
ENUATMENT BILL.
Lord cANTLMIEMiII moved the Order of the
Day for the second reading of the Bill for einpow-
triter the enlistinent of men out of the Militia auto
the regular sans. His lordship said, that having
before offered his sentiments on the subject on the
introduction of the Bill. he ehonlil not trouble the
House at present, but merely move, "'That the
Bill he now read a second titue."
Mr. Bbetsver inquired what the inteiultelsliffer-
. nee of bounty was between those who entered fur
limited and 'Haim:tad service
Lord CASTlAlltitAttin replies), " The difference
was six guinea's—ten or eleven for the limited, mid
fifteen or sixteen gnineasfor the unlimited service."
Mr. F.1.1.10TT then proceeded to state his objec-
tions at large to the 1111.3,0fe proposed. He said
he hesitated much at any thing that might have the
appearance of objecting, in times so inieneutone
the present, to the increase of the inflate force;
but his objection* were not to the thieg itself, but
to the mode by which it was attempted to be ef-
reeled. Although the measure hail hero form: tie
adonteil. tinder the pressure of emergency, yet it
would Le foetid that that cutergeuc) would ore-ate

upon itself by continued increase; mud the preseot •
;kiln, though iu form it new Bill, ) et beiag iis iact
part and coiitiispatiotiof diet system, it wastiwieture
that he objected to it. •fhe oreeetat he considered
as i pregnant example of the &huger of kid rte.:-
dvtits. Upon the isrst inttoduct ~,,,, there was a
great she sv of preparation, and notch pititiontary
Inquiry; but
as a measure of course, aua wiwortity de-emirate ;
Ise would therefore proceed to state his objections.
W urn the meesure was first agitated, it had been re-
*conemesitled flow the I breite.that we dente' proceed
to merest., one disposable force, oithotit tiopairiog
our means of internal defence. To this touchstone
the plan adopted was wholly inopplitable. Thu
ter,' means adopted by a erpetitiou el bounty, first
for entering into the Militia, and torn ter %ohm-
tteriog thence into the , Lute, was found real-
caily injerious; whet was it but a perpetaal
drain. tending to destroy ell ilis.tplint sir time
Militia, besides operating to the to.s of the offi-
cers iu that service, by disgusting ? ho lung
ago OS the Peace of Amiens.. lee bad es premed him-
self adverse to the exteosion of the Aldan'; not be.
cause he was adeerse tothent, bat because be wished
them to refusal es they then were, as the beet means
of keeping up that state of discipline which ha
considered they were thee arrived at-..theetwrientes.
The evils attending enormous bulimic* mere univer-
sally admitted, and he therelose could not help
culling the atteutiois of the House to the expedient
proposed by the Noble Lord to remedy the evil....
it was well known that bounties had. envied from
tifteew to so inigh as twenty-live gbittetii. Officers
were to he allowed but tto guineas* isien ; but his
Lordship -hail a ballot, inpetto, which be kept to lie
I t nut as isceastuti taught require, to quit heel the
levier alien they appeared tardy. What was this,
in.o mercantile lomat of view, but, to call fur ser-
vices at a less price. and et the same time to say,
wait a while, sod you dealt hate the market at your
own price.? This was. besides, an expense coining
on the heel of burdeste already too heavy ou the
comities; anal which, though no direct tax, was the
worn[, because the most Mosque', 'fite present
phut aSs also objectiottable for another expense.
isainely, the uccoistulatisne of • the militia fasuil)-
Homey ; which was nut oily to be paid to
those actually in the militia, but to those who
should In, drafted froiti it. He theu eatered into a
shoat comparative view of Mr. Wiadliacter
.plitti of
defence. which, he contended. if suffered sufficieet
time for the experiment. would Mire proved wu't
efficacious for ell the purposes proposed.
Colonel Isi'isnoutet supported the Bill. Ile
considered the objectiot4.toraterly made to tar
measure, to be Istousiseit ass DIM so well unfit rsiau.l
ar it was now ; au solteratioa of opinion, Ott lug
eihier to the Militia Colonels better uisiierstauding
the advaiatages atteuduig it, or from -a greater pre-
valence of the military spirit trotting to !Icarian-
timl ittcoareniences for the public weltare. ass
surprised at the objectiou of its tending to 'doses'
theatilitary energies. when he Saw the late glorious
ictories effected by wen priutipally hunt the
militia. It aas also objected that the solonteeritig
would have the effect of driviag Officers hose the
militia; on the contrary, he thought it woiald have
the opposite edict, by holding out an -encourege-
meet to Officers, Oho, though of respectable fami-
lies. could not purchase; bat to whom the holm
w® held out of pawing front the militia into the
line, by bringing with them the requisite usimber
of sets. Its agreed with the Flom (jeittleman, that
the militia had arrived at its lIIHASSISOM in discipline,
but he therefore thought it right they should brie
the liberty of trauderring their service. because
there was no Auch thing as remaining stationary-;
amid if not allowed to ether tido more active service,
they would inevitably retrograde into wore,. It
would also he Ilse means of getting rid of suds wild
characters as, tliougli Yt hero ire objectiestaltle,vo o u
hd
make excelleist sasialicie. With respect to the
objection of the high price of bounty, the remedy
he conceived to lie very simple; it was only making
it gineially known, that the penalty of AA. ex-
empted for the years, and i.e one would give a
higher price for • substitute. In fact, such high
bounties were ouly given during a ballet, but maw
there were not more than seveu• or eight guineas
given. Oat of twenty moo that had latest) joilted
him, none had received more then ten guineas.
With respect to uulisaited service, he .tasted the
opinion of a serjeaut of his, who said, the reason'
was, that expecting to be able to procure tin ir
discharge easily et the end of a war, men chose to
take the larger bounty wider that apes:elation.
Upon the whole. • he cousidt red the present as the
Mast mode of procuring a disposable force on which
we could rely, and therefore aupported the Bill.
Sir THOMAS TWITItill conceived it would have
beets wise to delay the present uscioure until atter
the discussion of the motion of his Right lismour-
,able Friend (Mr. Pousouby). Was the necessity
so urgent, for the purpose of sending out mother
army to achieve another Conveution of Civets—or
could it he intended to send another force its tra-
verse Spain unsupported ? If mot, the actual force
was quite sufficient fur defence. Ile was nut
one of those who ever suppnost lloimparte serious
mitts threats of .iurasioit. Autaupportad by a navy.
The idle was exploded built in theme:leo' and mo-
dern word. The Romans could never conquer
Sicily, th nigh at their door, mail they had de-
feated the Carthagiuien fleet ; hut this could not
be done while their attention was exclusively di-
rected to their army. The same was the case
during the reign of Louis the XlVtb. Looking at
the measure as to it, mode of operation, he con-
sidered it equally objectionable; it was tweaking
on the good old system of the tens break-
ing iu as the Coustitutional boundaries Which had
hitherto defended us. A Constitutional Militia
did not consist in enlisting for the purpose of vo-
binteering into the hue ; but serving amidst
friends, and defending their respective coutities.
Mr. BARTSIIO cousidered the Bill as every way
nbjectioisable. It was mitt that a prospect of actual
service was tied story to keep alive discipline ; was
love of our country, or a desire of ilonig our dUty,
principle of action ? For Lis part. so far f
fearing any danger of wait of Oflis en', he knew of
three or hour Gentlemen' waitmg for cous,niseions
in the regiment hr had the honour to ermentuel.—
It sea: said that the Colonels of regiments were
now more sensible of the advantages attending the
present system ; who these were he knew nut;
Ent
if they were content to be mere Chill-serjeants fur

vegiments or the line, it might be good or bad as
they esteemed it. The evils attending the
iyiasim were sufliciently notorious; drinikeimess,
'mirky, and deserlou, were its consequence.% ;
anti
SCIMMPIIIe ass the Coutiimiuler-in-Chief of
the ill elfeeta, that he lied reeoninieeided the
yearning it into execution only wasoding to the
strict letter, or rather to evade at by every possible
ineaiis. Hr knew also that it wits the feeling of
the majority Or oiSerrs, that it was better to put an
rah at once to ti:e system of militia, thun expose it
to the ceittinutitimi °Cheese evils is hid, had crept M.
Lord :EUSTot4 opposed the toottoo. •
Mr. PULTaNLy observed, that there could he no
difference of optuion as to the necessity of tiicritan-
ing the regular entity. Tine there ought be some
hardship attendiug the rueasiire at present 'wrote
the House, he must iielmit; but this cue a. period
iii which those herds-hips must be trimmed :it jus-
tified, it called for Mem. The regular army ought
to be supeorted and supplied from the militia; and
his Right Hon. Friend had done all in his power to
mitigate Whatever eiils might be expected to result
front it. lit, had great hopes, front whit lied been
stated by his lion. Friend behind- him, that she
plies submitted to their consiuleratMit mat be pro-
ductive of tie greatest beoclit. to that %eerier, its
whose success we were so materially.iitteresteh.
Mr. VstriEstllDlVir professed himself favolonthle
to the system of the .•Loeal Militia; at the same
time 1w was rather inclined to intimmt the motion, of
the Right Ilotiouratile•s%.retary, *Welt he Colas.
sidereal as liseriug a chthe fur adoption, upon the
principle of experience.
Mr. CAM:Rare admitted the necessity of main-
tniniug a military force ; but at the skew- time.
white he admitted this necessity in its fullest ex-
tent, he had sonic hr.itatiou iii concurring with
the motion now before them. He appealed to the
recollection of the I louse, and particularly to the.
recollection of the Right llonotimhle..Gentleinait
I • If, whether they had not been told it Inc
months ago that the military force of the country
was never in so flourishing anal efficient a state as
at that period ? How strange then most it appear,
that without any account of waste, ordiscoinli titre,
or loss, when the cry of victory. was ringing in their
ears, a cry which, iu his mind, (so far so respected
the military) was not taisapplied.hens strange couit it
appear, that amid this cry, we shothld be culled upon
to supply losses and repair disadvantages? He
thought it would Le more becoming the Right Hon.
Sceretury to enter into particulars upon this head,
and present sonic aireettat to the Ilouse of the
forces already committed to him, before he
Mended a me ply of other force. to be committed
to him even. it appeared from wcomparimin of
the papers of this reimiip with the last,-that there
had been a dr:fie4 of 30,000 nieueethe loss of
SO,Oine men, was lest, in his estimation, a matter to
be passed over without areount. Some objections
hail been stated against the Om which an Hon,
Friend of his had proposed ;but he would declare
that the plan of his Ilvn. Fiiend had not a fair
trial, and therefore ant judgment epee its merits.
most come without piihkeient eoreolsoration ; in any
ease in which find • system haul a 0141, it had
proved its utility ; but when expedients were ap-
plied, in consequente of competition, that utility
was defeated, and the prospects acted expec-
tations it held forth, losvto the country.- . The
Noble Lord had stated one reason for increasing
our forces, in winch he reeretted, that lie could not
agree. His Lordship 111,4 said, thet we might
be called upon to act a greet' pal f teem the Conti-
nent. From the present aspect of atiiiiis, froin the
documents now in our posseseion, amid the experi-
ence which we had hitherto been able to collect, he
could entertain no such expectation ; mid when we
looked to the situation of our army after its return,
he trusted that we would be little inclined to ex-
pose another to a similar fate. The tuilitia'wes
species of force be respected ; lie therefore could
not approte of any meisurestled interfered with its
interests. The prevent MIMI one atlas description ;
it went to bike from it that high clutnicter which it.
should always minutes°. and whiCh every tree lover
Of the Constitution masa wish it to maintain in its
purity. Some eulogioiut had been passed upon
the local militia ; to those he aseented; but he
warned the noose, that if ever the system now pro-
posed was exteeelai to the local militia; theeulogiata
would be inapplicuble, end ought to he retracted.
'1 he system of his Hon. Friend was folitided upon
the principles of human nature ; 'end, limvever it
might he misrepresented or mistaken. was calcu-
lated to promote the great object of national secu-
rity. The ballot proposed in the present tustance
was also objection:thole. 110111 PIS practieel °mores.
stion. If it were necessary to procure s general de-
fence, should it not be supplied from the general
fund, Matra(' of being demystified from vartietiler
counties or districts, contrary to the spirit of our
Constitution ? He conclude:ll with almervitig, that
thssgh it might be impossible to resist the influ-
ence of Ministers, as he was sure it was upon the
present occusion. yet every Member of that House
was competent to give • his opinion, and fart such
sentiments us he thought right, in the present
alarming am, eveutfol el tais.
Mr. Pei:et:nee explained.
Colonel BAUW L contendesh that the wisdam
or folly of Ministers, in disposing of the forces with
which they were already entrusted, was as ouniplete
a question of military means as the iminerwal
amount of submit and bayonets; still lie was satis-
fied to wave the great question which Ministers
were desirous to avoid. and would coidine hiinself
within the strict limits of the subject. If it were ex-
pedient, as had liven iusisted, to transfer part of thus
militia to the regular force, why. did they we re-
commentlto transfer all? We had iiiiii it was
true, to increase the regular army ; but then M'
ourselves tit the same time not to iiiert.:lNV
it at the expense of our defensive force, and he
emitelidell that the defensive force of the country
would suffer materially by the plan of the night
lion. Secretary.
Mr. lot aItART thought that His Majesty's
were still hound to do all they etstild, not
ii. rely ler their own couistry. hat. ter Spain. and
Immviently were instilled in proposing the meat-
111111tVr Collsitleration. The events of Spain
that little was to be relied on any de-
feusife e distinct from the feather army. It
was t:tteti that the present measure was unjust;
but it reds not, he contended, so partial in its ope-
ration, as had berm represented by thus Gentlemen

opposite. it would be • Insali inure unjust and.
oppressive Weill,4lllrtt to Lie nit I.:1.• 1..i..d.0t Govern.-
meta, under such circtunstativcs as the present,
111111 prevent them from aff.oilitig that assists ace
which might be necessary, by a scrupulous but tuts.
taken sating of expetulitu, ...
Lord CASCI.MLUAGIII bald, tillit so alt were of o;,i-
;ion that the force should be iticrensiAl, the only
difference must be as to the method lby which that
increase was to be effected. lie did nut agree, that,
because there were some topics remotely concerned
with the question now before them, these topic*
should be previously discussed, and the disposable
force of the country tieglected, until Mtioaters had
answered for the use they had made of the forces
already eau iiii itteil to them. if increase was, No it
was culifesv.ed to be, indispensable, why wait for
the verdict of ally party to stopvly that increase ?
—An Honourable fiuntlensmn hail complaietti
that the ground* of the necessity of this ite
crease were not stated, but be did not think
it required titre great decree of penetration •td •
discover, in the present state of Europe slat
'of the world, the necessity of that iiicreasv.-.:
Whatever some (let:denten may think of the cat•
of Simko, we ostglitat lead to have tke memo) in our •
hands of affording her effectual co-operation. It
would be a bad pdicy to think of depressing the
Executive Covernment, by .kerning doss it the na-
tional force. While the people of tins comart are
bound by a "Amin pledge, and while the people of
that country are trot to their interests and to them-
*Avis, we will support them. lie would allow that
we should not_be misled by visiotrory projects ; but
if, in the course of tbe struggle, which lie hoi.cd and
believed was not tertniusted, we should see ratioto)t
grenitmls of sneers s„ this country sfas drtetiained to
embark in the (Isthmus undertaking. it could out
'be supposed that the world would Lopata forever un- •
der tile tyranny of me individual; and therefore a
case tiii,tiit arise out of the struggle in which we
were ene.iAeil, .. call far a prompt and inierptic
interference, which we should I.e prepared to
afford. How would (love ,ut be exposed to
censure, if it delayed until the very inueneut
this force was wearing, out! Were to erontruence
its preparatioua in the moment it shownt act.
The Lion. Gentleman hail spoken of deficiency ;
but that part of the establishment to volin.h• his re-
marks applied, a Nil. to 'which this Bill was directed,
experienced increase and not deficient,. If the
House would exeunt', the returns, they would see,
from the frame and nature of the estaLlishmeht, a
' necessity for the measure lie submitted, in order
to make up the deticiency of second battalions.
It .vas stated that limited service should be adopt.
1 ed. •His Lordship had no objection to admit
those who enlisted for limited serviceto the regular
army, but to limit the system entirely, was
a measure to which he never would assent....
Mention had been made of the necessity. of it
preponderating force, to resist, as it Isere, a
force teat constitutionil; brit after the adoption
of his measure, this would stall exist in a
degree sufficient to all practical purposei.' if it
were herd upon the country it was necessary to its
pretervation. Whatever difference of opitrio.4 might
exist upott other subjeets, they must ell wee tee
impossibility of conducting modern warfare with-
out well slisciplined regular troops, aril the
present was a period in which any avid-titer...am
loan them 'sushi be injurious and Ullill'oL. They
had chewed, in the efforts they Lad brick made,
th a they were not indifferent to time !in. :•i. ,i of
other countries ; wand it would be totitrailu...ory to
suspect them of itult&renre or I-motility to the
some cause, when the country to which it referred
wair,their own.
Earl Taunt said, the Noble Lord was about
to leave to those who were to euecatel him the ob.
lialuy of completing his tot:allure.. The country
were not to hear of any ballot taking ;daze in the
hest inoinents of his political life, bat atter his retir-
ing from office, other noisier* were to but wider the
disagreeable necessity of saddling the country with
a ballot, to make up the delleiency in tlito militia,
created by his measure. Upon former uccosiosis.
When such measures were brought for w ard, there woe
always some emergency gaited to exist; but in the
present iostance the Noble Lord seemed only to
be acting with a view to some future emergency.
or necessity ; althoueh it was well kuown, that
three days were sidlieient for the pawing of a Bill
through Parliament, by which the mititia might be
drafted inlothelogulars 'He was now touuderidarisi
that this was to be the regular sydeniatic plan for
recruiting the line lay a conscription out of that
muss of the community liable to be drawn for the
militia ; • system which he could not •approve.—
The Noble Lord had compared the system of his
Right Hon. Friend (fir. Wiodham) with his own
system of recruiting ; fiat his conclusions seemed to
be erroneous. by a compel ison of numbers it ap-
peared, that we were getting 21,000 11101 per outran
by the firmer plan ; nod now we were, by the No-
tie Lcuel's plan, procuring only at the rate of 13,000
men per 1110111111. Ile should oltiLet to the present
measure, as it only went to lay a tux upon the com-
munity, and to di,v1..1 that class of men on whom
the safety of the tutii,:ry so motel depended.
The DM was then read a second time withoot a •
division, and ordered to be committed on Monday
next.
Earl TEMPLE gave notice, that it was his inten-
tion, on Monday, to move for returns, stating. the
differeure between the army embarked for Spain.
Pottogal, and its return to this country'. He
%should, at the same time, move for returns of the
sums of eunney.t.tieles of clothing, and other assist."
suer, actually received by the Spottier& from this

country.
Lord CJATI.GRRAQII said, he felt no objection
to the tanking ',Pell rations, tint wi bed to ap-
prise the It Lord flint it might tint be in the
power of C:loyo r ttttt esti to ► totiply u won with the
Liter part of his intended telollo,l.
Mr. TA v tout gave notic.,. that CM 3,lopolny nest
he should move for Copies of t!.e lotttuctiutat
trait:milted to the Coosuottuders-in Chief in Spam
and Portugal.
Lord C AiTLEREACIII said. he had formerly 46,
nified to the Howe, that there was no iattlivorA-
(sou iu Goterooneist to 14;VP every porsi;de 'informa-
tion upon that avillert to, en Hon. Gentle-mum (Mr.
Parelintib) who.. toed "itreatly given notice of a
'notion' for the purpose of crimmating jyliuisters is
regard to Spain nisi Portuittl.
Adjourned at Half pest Nine.