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he slim voted for Dock-Yards at home,

111 the year 1795, heinz the wow! year of war.... ‘25,351
is the year lal3, brut: the tenth year of war..... 212,142
Is the year 1819, being the fourth year of peace.. 225,000
This was a very frightful contrast, and calculated
to disturb and alarm the public mind. It could,
however, be satisfactorily explained bee reference to
the estimates from a hich the Hum Baronet derived
his information. If the Hon. Baronet examined
the estimate of 1796, he would find that very few
persons were introduced there—hut at pre,eut every
creature connected with the clock-cards was men.
honed, with his salary ; therefore to compare the
estimates of the two periods with each other was in-
correct. For some years before the year 1795, the
NMI annually charged was between 9.5 and 26,000/.
In that year there was an addition of 6,1881. in con-
,etpleace of provieion being made in the estimate
for the salarie% of ollicera and clerk, of the yard,

which had been previously defrayed by fee's and
roquisites, which were discountenanced by the
recommendation of that House. In 1808,
it e Commissioners of Naval Inquiry directed that
it:o quarter-men of the yard. who had formerly
been placed on the books, should be introduced
amongst the estimates, which made them appear
Lager than they had previously been, although,
in reality, the expense was not greater :hail
before. The quarter-men. who were employed
to make out accounts of the work performed. were
'laid in proportion to the quantity of work that was
dm ne. and had therefore an interest not only to
cheat for themselves, but for every proton employed
iii the yard. By giving them fixed salaries, and
'them!: them amongst the estimate., a large saving
was effected. In 1808, an additional expense was
loco rreel, ms account of the Royal Naval College
at Portsmouth. From 1809 to 1816. various addi-
toe. were made In the establishment, on the sug-
gesitoo or the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry.
oancilooeil by that (louse. A timber-master and a
ilia-ier.rileasurer were appointed. whose labours
produced an excellent effect. as they completely
leiter/aril frond, with respect to the use made of
tim!,er, or as to the amount of work performed.
In 1796, the estimate contained only the chief offi-
cers of the yard, consisting of ,247—but now that
all the individuals employed were transferred from
the hocks to the estimate, the number amounted
so 1,010. This was not an increase of patronage—
lint it now appeared for the first time to the public
eye, in consequence of a great number of persons
being transferred from the books of the yard, and
regularly accounted for in the estimate. As lie
coitreired the Resolutions of the Hon. Baronet
erre erroneous. he would, at the proper time, sub-
suit the following, as au Amendment:-
1-1, That, prior to the year 1802, the estimates laid be-
fore Parliament contained only a small proportion of the
prima, homing the several civil establishments, sad did not
speed) the full number, as at present.
2.-- That the appearance of increased expenditure in
the d ff,rent offices arose from a number of persons being
now placed in the estimates who were formerly paid in a
ilitTereot manner—from the extension of seversl clahlish-
menis, as snggested by a Committee appointed by Parha-
m. et— and from the new mid increased duties which grew
out of the e x.ended conquest. and possessions of the Crown.
a—" That an increase was made to the exprose, in con.
sequence of a Axed salary being granted to certain officers,
in lieu of fees and gratuities, by which they bail been pre-
•iously paid.
4 —" That the 47 Resolutions now moved, in which dif.
ferent sums ate stated as the expense of various offices, with-
out pointing out the reason of the increase, are calculated
to mislead the public mind, as to the actual expense is-
carted at the pre seat time as compared with former periods."
Colonel Davies argued that there win a great
and Nutter:miry increase in the expense of the
scar department, at present, as compared with what
it was iii 1796.
Mr. F. Dount.ts sold, if the Hon. Baronet had
been mistaken, as wu4 asserted, in some slight
points, it ought not to be forgotten that he was de-
prived of official information—that he was Obliged
to act on such casual information as circtimatences
enabled hien to procure. He, however, would not
cotoider whether the Hon. Baronet had or had not,
committed some errors. The true question was, whe-
ther he had not stated some facts, which the Gentle-
men opposite. with alp their information, could
not deny ? l le thought his Honourable Friend (to
whom, however, lie conceived great credit was
due) had committed all error, in not marking, with
sufficient distinctness, the different periods at which
he compared these establishments. He should
have stated, that, in the year 1796, the navy cost
so much, when the national debt was 200,000,000/.
—anti, in 1819, the expense amounted to so much,
the national debt being at that time 800,000,000/.
L'eay.)—This was the true way of looking at
the question. should consider the situation
in which the country was placed, when they were
obliged, its time of peace, to have recourse to a
inea.ure which that House had always con-
demned—amid when taxes were imposed on a
people worn down and exhausted by a sconteet
of iittpavolleled duration. lie conceived that iio
ease had beeti made out against his I lots. Friend.
The Comptroller of the Navy (Sir B. Nlarliii) had
applied I cell to the expenses of tlun department
with %%Lich lie was more immediately connected.
lle('timid that the expense of the establishment, at
the first period selected by the Holt. Baronet, was
49,61)01. and that it was at present 115,000/. (low
did he account for the difference ? He stated that
at present certain additional duties had devolved on
the department. One of thew arose from the Act
which allowed seamen to allot part of their pay fur
the mainicoince of their families. He believed the
letters w:ncli this duty required were mere letters of
form, MII4I might be intrusted to any clerk. Another
part of this additional duty was, the payment of offi-
cers quarterly, instead of yearly. These two extra-
labours required three additional clerks---and surely
it would not be argued that this increase of assistance
accounted for the difference between 49,000/. and
115,0091. The former was the charge in a time of
war. alieu 100,000 sailors were employed—the lat-
ter in a time of peace, when there were only

19,000 sailors in the service.--(Hear, hear:)—The
danger of the country was lit fif,aticial danger,
and the House mutt force itself to adopt, au eco-
nomy, which, under other circumstances, would
perhaps be inconvenient. Many of the Reimlo-
nous, which celled for retrenchment. were founded
on the recommendation of the. Committee of Fi-
nance. Ministers, however, appeared. to be willing
to adopt those recomenemlatioiw, only when they
authorised the continuance of expense—they did
not attend to them when they were favourable to
economy.

Mr. It. Waft') said a few words in support of the
economical arrangements that had been made in
the Ordnance Department.
Mr. C. HUTCHiSSON agreed entirely in the prin.
elide of the Resolutions—aod was convinced, that, if
important reductions were not speedily made in the
public expenditure, the country could not go on
prosperously. Ile had seen, with considerable plea-
sare, several of the attempts made by the R. ht
ll.m. Gentleman (Mr. Vansittart) to ecotiosnise.
They ought, however, to have been on a much
larger scale. His efforts were, in fact, pigmy. when
they ought to have been gigantic. If he had Iltija
died the Finance Reports of the last mind present
Session, lie must have perceived that it was possible
to make very large savings. IVlien Gentlemen op.
foliate complained of the incorrectness of the Reim-
lotions proposed by individuals at the side of
the House from which he spoke, they should recol-
lect, that their information could only come from
Ministers, and certainly they were rather slow in
imparting it. There were two points, wish respect
to which it was evident a very considerable decrease
of expense might be effected. The first was, the
Auditor's Office at Lisbon, an estaldisliment to
which he had called the attention of the Honor, 011
a former evening. He believed, if the Right Hoe.
Gentleman would lay before the Rime the pope% s
for which be had moved, it would be found,
that that establishment. though kept up at a
large expense, was unnecessary. With respect
to the establishment at St. Helm, he was of
opinion that the expense which it at present in-
curred might he reduced. The Hon. kleatber
for Aberdeen (Nlr. Hume) had moved for the an-
nual suns expender' on that station, which he had
meows to believe was enormous. He hid seen
accounts which rated the expense of the noel and
military force, &c. employed an the Wand. at
.up.
wards of 500,00111. annually. Reing convinced
that considerable retrenchments might be made
in these and various other establishments, he
could not but agree in the Resolutions of the
Honour +hie Baronet. for which he meant to
vote. With respect to the expenditure. on ac-
count or St. Helena, he begged to call the parti-
either attention of the House to it—amd sorry he was.
that that expenditure was one which involved the
honour and character of this country. He did not
wish to say any thing that would create angry dis-
emtion iu that House—hut lie moat slate, that lie
lied seen accounts, to which, though not official,
he was bound, in tome degree, to give credit,
which set down the expenditure as enormous.
It was his duty, standing its that House as a public
man, to examine into that expenditure—and he was
bound to declare, after what he bad read, which
was in print, and had never been contradicted by
his Majesty's Government, that the character of
this country was greatly involved in the full refu-
tation of what bad gone abroad, or. if it could not
be refuted. in affording the complaining individual
redress. lie would not agitate the question of our
right to keep an illustrious individual—he knew not
what to call hint—the late Emperor of France—in
prison, because it had already been decided by au
Act of Parliament. Ile hid formed an opinion,
a decided one, against the policy of the measure,
but oil that point he should say nothing. He felt
it Ilia duty, however, to state to the Right Hon.
Gentlemen, who perhaps had not read the publica-
tions lie alluded to, that they stated facts, which, if
true, were nearly connected with the character of
this country. He should like to know, what policy
of Government. or what principle in the Consti-
tution of England, could at tiny time, but par-
ticularly in a time of peace, justify Great
Britain in becoming the gaoler of any indivi-
dual, to answer the views and objects of other
States? Ile said the views of other States,
because no man could contend, that the plan was
adopted for the defence of this empire. If by
letting Napoleon loose im Europe, any danger of
rein-wed hostilities could fairly be entertained, lie
would he the last man to ask for his liberation.
But, whim lie was convinced, as completely us he
was of his existence, that. its no part of Europe,
not even in the centre of France, would lie he able
to find adherents, he could not see the necessity of
his detention. While the King of France unit the
constituted authorities acted as they were now acting,
enlarging the liberties of the people, and cmilirmilig
the Constitution—the people of that country would
not he anxious for a change, as some suspicious tern.
per; were prone to imagine. But, if the contrary
were the case, where, lie asked. was the principle to
be footed in English law, or where the policy in the
Goverimient of England, which declared, that, to
preserve the peace of France, they had a right to
coutitine Napoleon in that bondage iii which he was
at present kept ? He wished hot to agitate this
question—but he appealed to the Right Him. Gen-
tleman (%Ir. A'stisittart), as a good and cumin's-
sionate man, and he believed he was worthy of that
character, whether the complaints to which he had
adverted were not worthy of investigation. Sup-
pose time policy, which he reprobated and detested
was completely decided, still, surely, this great,
and tn.glity, and religious country, ought to see
that this unhappy prisoner, or any other prisoner,
confined under similar circumstances, ass sup-
plied with every thing 'Witting his sit uation.
If the Rigid Honourable Gentleman saw the
publication which he (Mr. Hutchinson) had read,
in which it was alleged that Napoleon suffered
very great privations, was it not his duty to cause
the circuinstalices to be investigated, and, if they
were true, to utter the system ? Ought he tot
to direct that this individual should receive due
attention, and be treated with proper decorum, that
he might, as fir as pnasible, forget his fallen si-
tuation 1 He felt that this was a subject of great
delicacy, aud he wished that he could treat it as it
deserved. He had said thus much from a con-
scieittiour feeling, which induced him to stand for-
ward in belssitor a much-insulted, oppressed, and
fallen iudivided—as well as to rescue the character

. • •
of the country from the obloquy tint wts east Upiti
it by certain poblications which liati fallen into his
hands. If Ministers did not adopt assoPs measures he-
.fore the next meeting of Parlisinebt to remedy the to-
vonve.iiences to which Napoleon was exposed, 1114'Y
would nut discharge their duty to•sards that fallen
individual, neither essislil they act in • way consist-
ent with the honour of their country. A wriiical
gentleman 01r. O'Meara), whose name would be
handed down to posterity with honour, for the
generous part he acted towards this v.ctiin—this
op-
preyed individual—had, it appeared, been removed
from the i.sland, at the very period when Napolessti
most required Isis aid. 1t wits not difficult for Mi-
nisters to learn whether the comp!aint of privations
were true Or not—and, if they wets', the subject
ought to be maturely considered during the recess.
Five hundred thousand pounds. more or less, might
he saved—money not only laid out unnecessarily,
hut disgracefully. If it were determined that
Napoleon should continue a *tote prisoner, he Mal
sure the public would begrudge tio expense which
his support, in a manner commensurate with his
rank, might require. In that case, he ought to be
removed to a salubrious clittinte, and not confined
to one that was proverbially bad. Ile was by no
means ashamed of having made these few obrsersa-
lions on a. case which combined great individual
affliction with a most extravagant and unnecessary
expenditure.

Sir I. COFFIN pronounced R panegyric on the
manner in winch the.inival deportment it at present
conducted.

Sir B. -MARTIN explained.
The CHANCRLLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the
Honourable Gentleman who had recently spoken
on the other side, had introduced a great deal
of novelty into the present questio•i, by bringing
before the House the policy of keeping Napo-
leon as a prisoner, as well as by descanting oti
the expense of the St. Helena station. fie be-
lieved, however, that the Hon. Gentleman's infor-
mation was erroneous, with reference to the charge
of the establishment. The expense, in the first
instance, was defrayed by the East India Coin-
Paul, and afterwards was adjusted between them
and the Govern:neut. He, however, never heard
that any tutu at all a;►proaching 500,000/. nor
even the one-fourth part of it, was the munuel
expenditure. The last eventuate which lie hail
Peels set forth a chaii,,, on the part of the East
India Company, of 300,000/. for three years.
There were some small item* to be added to this,
which were, in the first instance, paid by the pub-
lic. The sum the Hon. Gentlemen heel named
was entirely a roog. The Hight lion. Gentleman
then proceeded to argue that the Resolutions !be-
fore the House were totally erroneous, which lie
conceived to be a sufficient reason for his 'Peeling
thesis with a decided negative.—( Hear, beer.)—
At this late period of the Session, the Hon. Baronet
could hardly suppose that the House would agree
with such general statement* as were comprised iii
many of them. It would be better, therefore, if
the Hon. Baronet would reconsider them, and
bring them forward in an ;emended shape early in
the next Session. But the House hail superseded
the necessity of any such Resolutions, by the pledge
which had been given, by a specific Resolution, to
pursue a course of economy—and whatever some
Gentlemen might think, that Resolution was Out a
dead letter. That Resolution set forth" that a minute
examination of the several departments of Govern-
ment shall immediately take place, for the purpose
of making every possible retrenchment that can be
t fleeted, without detriment to the public service."
So little was Government disposed to shrink from
this part of their duty, that the investigation had
already commeticed, and the divisions of the in-
quiry had beets fixed and settled, with a view to the
acquirement of the 10051 accurate information.
But while, on the one hand, lie called on the
Home nut to be too sanguine in their hopes of
extensive retrenclinienr, he would not, on the
other, discourage the iciest that the result of the
examination would be a certain degree of sieving.
Thinking that no good elfect could be produced
by these Resolutions. lie would presently move
" That the other orders of the day be now read." '
One of the branches of the public service, he
meant the Customs, the expense of collecting
which, at present, the 1101:. Baronet bed compared
with the expense at a former period, called for an
observation or two. It should be remit keel, that,
until of late years, the Customs department, like
many others, was paid by fees and gratuities. The
cenbequence was, that, with a small nominal ex-
pense of collection, the reel expense was consolers-
lily more, at that time, than it was at present. The
whole expense now came under the public view,
which it formerly did not. Not sully the sale-
ries of acting officers were introduced in the
estimates, but considerable charges, being compen-
sations for the salaries of offices that had been
aledivlied, were also included in them. These
would, of course, be diminished, as the owners of
the existing interests died. The Right Hon. Gentle-
Min was then about to move " that the other
orders of the day be new read," when he dis-
covered that there were no other orders of the
day—he therefore moved " That the farther con-
sideration of these Resolutions be adjourned to
this day three months."
Mr. Goalies,' supported the Resolutions.
Sir 11. PARNELL observed, that, taking together
rill that had been said by Gentlemea opposite, he
did hut feel that he had any right to submit to the
assertion made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
that these Resolutions were totally erroneous.—
Comparing those items, said to be incorrect, with
those to which no objection had been made, it
would be found, that the number of cases in
which error was alleged was exceedingly ►mall.
After repeating a variety of details, as they were
stated in Ins Resolutions, the Hon. Baronet gave
notice, that so convinced was lie of the correctiiess
of those details, and of the absolute necessity of
making some reductions in the general expenditure
of the country, he should early to the next Session
bring the subject before the House, not its the pre-
sent collective form, but by thatinct and separate
umeions.
Lord PALMERSTON hoped he would be permitted
to say a few words iii explanation, as the War-
Office had been one of the principal points assailed by
the Hon. Gentlemen on the opposite side. He de-
clared. its allusion to what had fellen from an Hon.
Member. that he was not C011166011$ that his manner
had beets smiling and triumphant. but he felt that

he had shevin stiatiy inaccuticifr in the 114 n. Miro-
itet'a statement, .and as Mitt ►tatement must be
cotaideried is containing matters or iTiaige 14tainst
..l! in (Ace, those. who *ere 'wailed must be per
milled to defend themselves with 19 torten 1909011.
tlel: as possible.- He observed, that the War•
Unice had been kept very low iu time of war, the
inevitable consequence of winch was, the net-roily
of maint iuiug now in tune of peace tt very larlie es-
t Id !slim.. lit to settle the accounts. which were obliged
to he suffered to fall in arrear. The exertions olltthe
several offices in making up the accounts had been
very great, and so far wiry the statement from being
correct, that the accounts had not been settled be-
yond the year 1814, that, in point of fact. those for
ISIS were regularly made up. He observed, that from
tiie muission of the lion. Gentlemen opposite iu
not moving for the production of spe:4fic sicconnts.
and from contenting themselves with such general
information as they could glean from Reports, their
statetuents had necessarily been involved in error.
Colonel DAVIES spoke a few north in explain'.

hi answer to a question from • Member, it was
stated by Sir GEORGE COCKBURN, that every ul.
lowanee which was given to the officers of the army
would also be affordeti to those of the navy.

NIT. C. HUTCHINSON. in explanation, said.whea
ther the expenses at St. Helena were millions or
farthings, it made no difference in the principle
which lie had combated, and lie would, under
every circumstance, condemn the policy of the Ca-
binet for the cruel and nu:ward-of treatment of
Napoleon Bonaparte.
The Resolutions were then read from the Chair,
and the amendment he ing put, it was carried in the
affirmative without a division.
THE STOREKEEPER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT.

Mr. HUME moved the Order of the Day fur re-
suming the adjourned di bate on the Storekeeper.
General's Department.
This being done, the Honourable Member was
proceeding to Address the Home, when
Sir JOHN NIAIIJORIBANKS (as we understood) de.
sired that the House be counted. This being com-
plied with. and forty Members not being present,
the Speaker instantly adjourned the House until
this day.

taltada isobar§ to wiicit •tai•tfhire for the cltiblt
,Af,alhba►s Blanchard. \% e. borperet, blibtesi
apinii.t. the riblic. that tins celebrated at rohatit
has left no child.

The funeral of Madame Blanchard tw.k 1.:
restertioy, lit two o'clock, at the cemetery if I.•
Pere la Chaim Site was of the Protest
Kies).

f •
THE BRITI S PRE H.

LONDON,
TUESDAY, JULY 13, 1819.

This day his Royal Flightless the Prttnt
Reazier will proceed to the House of Louis, i—e.
cisely •t two o'clock, for the purpose i F In"-
roguing the present Session of Parliament.

A very important communication was made 1a.,.
night in the House of Continuos, by the CHAN-
CELLOR of the Excueocca, which, under the pre-
sent circumstances of the country, millet fail at
proving very acceptable to all those who may he
desirous of seeking independence in It fortigN
climate. It is intended to atrortl encouragement
and assistance to all who are unable it, thaw coun-
try to procure the means of sub.ietence, to e•Nrblish
themselves in the flourishing Colony oh tie Cape
of Good Hope. In proposing this phi. for thee
adoption of the House, the CHANCELLort of the
EXCHEQUER drew a incline of the htsiniatit
fertility of the soil, and of the delightful
salw-
brity of the climate, which we believe to be
by no means exaggerated, and it presents • r
fair a prospect of happiness, that no doubt
can he entertained but that the otter will he
gladly accepted by thousand+ of our stariing manu-
facturers. To promote emigration in the alearaut
is not wise in any Government; hut when the spine
.- t ti
e
people of of emigration has pervaded the great burly
people to a degree which it would be madness I
think of controlling, the Government have no alter-
native left hut to direct that spirit as much as
Able to the general benefit of the community. I'
is wiser to induce individuals, deteriniiie,i to tear
the country, or (Inside to obtain the means of sol .
sistence, to settle in one of our own Colonies, wile:,
they may become highly benellend to the Mother
Country, than to suffer them to find their way, with
the bitterness of desperation festering in their minds,
to the United States of North America. where they
must become injurious to the interests of Great Bei.
tail). We look upon the Cape of Good Hope as
well chosen, both as the choice is likely to affect the
happiness of the poor emigrant, and the advantage of
the parent State ; in particular it is far preferable to
Canada, for it is well known that of those alto
have hitherto been sent there at the expense of this
Government, a very large portion have since sets
tled within the United States.—For the details of
the present plan we refer to the speech of the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHCQUER.

Sir R. GIFFORD is appointed Attonuf•GenFra',
and Serjeant COPI.EY Sulicitor•Grntral. \r•+
writs were moved in the Muse of Common% hit::
night, in consequence of these appointments.

We have received Paris Papers of Frit! ty
The King of FRANCE has left Paris for Saint
Cloud, which he intends to make his re>i,leuce h,r
a month. The Legislative Chambers, however, suit
continue their discussionv.

The law for effecting the exchange of the estatts
of Neuilly and de Villiers, with a part if the fort-,t
of Bondy, belonging to the Crown, for the 61811:,4
belonging to the Duke of ORLEANS in the Rue
Saint Thomas du Louvre, has been adopted by the
Chamber ; and also that fur abolishing the dro:t
d'aubaine.

The Five per Cents. are 70 f. 65 c. Batik At.
tious 1,447 f. 30 c.

A Flanders Mail has arrived, with Paperi
from Bruasels to the Bth inetant. They contain
intelligence from Madrid to the last, from
which it appears that the capture of Porto Bello
has accelerated the military and naval operation% ut
Cadiz. The expedition now fitting out fur Soutia
America, it is said, will con►ist of .25,000 men and
150 vessels.

We have received New York Papers to 11 e
18th hat; they cootbin several ncc•ounts of the
defeat of General NVGREGOR. but they nre nearly
the same as those already published. The fullowii,g
are extracts :

NEW YORK. JUNE 14.

Captain Davidson, from Purto
that it was currently reported from Nlorguer.,,a,
that Commodore July had been displaced Iran t se
commend of his squadron of five sail, his conduct
oot having been satisfactory to Admiral Brion.

JVNE 16.

PHILADELPHIA MANUFACTOItICS.--• I he Phila-
delphia Gazette of last evening statrs. that several
large manufactories in the vicinity of that city have
closed their establishments for want of sufficient
encouragement; in conempience of this measure. it
is arid between 3 and 400 men. worsen, and
children. are thrown oat of employment.
The Atlantic, Atlantic, arrived at Liverpool from Jamaica.
spoke the Peiersbargh Packet, on the 2i41 May.