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TUESDAY, MAY 3, 1808.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROXBUIZaII APPEAIi.

liousE oF tAw.Ds-310% DA T, MAY 2.

Mr. Au Abl ru.clotied h.s nrgnineuts ou the pail of the
App..o.tats in the Austtnargh A pptal Cans; of Carl.. V. !nuts,
after which, Ur Lit-r,le, the Solieitor-Geteral fur Scothout,
wan heard t 1 considereWe leugtb, un behalf Of the Respond-
ents, nod tie !settler prove. thugs Were postponed U3iii 1U-

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czeisea
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p•ori,inn nf,ails to make the entiltt,ter
Bile beca:...:y for pn3tneut of the duty, which
being uear.y equal 'to the whole amount of
the value of the barley, very gr, at en,•ouragto
went was offesed for tic evarioa of paymeut.--
Nearly 100 per cent. could be made by it, anti coy.
~.equ,itly a great }mks arose to the reveaue. lie
shouid propose, that if tn,,Pstcrs refused to give
that t...curity required, the duty should be collected
from :Item in three months, in place of sit meethrs ,
the usual time that had been allowed. To the he-
io-st manufacturer this. tiver'efore would operate as
u re!., v', anii tine others coald have nothing to cum-.
plans of. V; he., it was bow iio.uleste
tite revr,.ur Rl4ll from thia source. tOitsures to
.;elect iiainis would he thought ineti.;pensably ne. -
,vs;:tryr. It would also hay;• the etle,t of prevents
In; those who nett(' frou.l.cti*Trolo beitl4;sl.o ta
undersell those ads*, !Aid the 'l4 t
, Altai)! thity'i,., qttee e),e time ass may threes.
petal- halfpenny •per blishel, hut uow upwards of
two shili.nAs per IstiAel, end as the penalty for_
u'w-p;yin:•.. of theae tie.: had all along remained
the the oirly other provisional he should
j' o; wou::1 i....rea~r the upsottitt Of pt..
cacti,• in a like• proportjoa frith the ,:utieslloW,Ull4
!:use'l. The Iti.zht lloisouralde Gentleman then
voia•ln;led ci iv 'his motion. and leave war accord,.
ea to bring iolhe iii It.

LOCAL MILITIA BILL.
Lord (.!ASTI.KBEAGH—" lit rising, Slr, to move
the order of the day for the sevond readnig of tins
Loci l Mil:tis Bill, I think it. tuiglrt a ai.t much,
and tend to ustrowthe diocit,,sion that take piece
upon it, if I were to al>prae the House that there
are some ainendinents winch I intend proposing is
the Clintnittee, upon the Bill, the purport or
Will* I shall new shortly state. as they are alter-
atiOns ;hat maw city bear uvon the prh,ciples of the
measure, The lir,: alteration is, that I Owl: it Will
be desirable I:: the CoiniaittO to propose giving
exemptions to those who have served personally ist
the thilina Already eat &Wished, or subject them to
a penalty, which, with what they Lye already paid,
will be equivalent to the whole amount of epee i 4,.
natty imposed by the Bill. This, be tkouer,
oul.l be but fair and reasonable, as the net? f
the two services was coicidembly ciffferer,t.
.next point which be thought of importance now to
notice, wits, that be should wisti to permits not
°rift those volunteer corps that are of oi,iniutt
they can bitter and more, effectually render wrvitst
in' their country as local iniiitia_ than as vointi-
,teera, by the•decision of the greet new of this:
carps, but that any individual• officer or privet*.
Might wiflairaw and transfer his service flew
the one to the other, without el. considers •
or •age. Another m 164.10.410 that I shall
pose to the coiniskt—tt•
sons, t .air retiirrenee frotn ems
county to another, should have it hi thei: ;toner
also to transfer their services from one district

;militia to Ifni:lller, as they might deem moat votive-
it iniglit prove a great hardahip to force au,
....siva from one thstiu.t county to another.
Ailotliir arrangement that I ~hail feel it my idaty,to
sued is. to put the local militia, in point of
aethir.l se. sti u e, open the same footing with the yea
lunteera, in so far %s regards the family of a Men
who is poor, and who leaves his family destitute cf
pinorr tuaintenami e. should lie entitled to
'the like provision from Government, OM 16 already
pi ovided to volunteers under similar eireuMstarres.
'1 hat provision Wtl7,, in the brat inatance, to be
ianced Ly the parish, and afterwards repaid by the
Receiver-Gen,,!al. It is not gnuited as a matter of
tight, Init only to he given in there rusuewhere it
w. proved that a faintly weie poor, and unable to
ati:virt themselves otherwise. 1 shall also offers
deux fv: the purpose, of putting the local militia
under the superii.tontlaoce of ',dicers of the hue.
Mr. ‘ViIITOIIRAD 6Rid, that se the Right Hoe.
; Gentlecian had taken that opportuNity of stating
what he intend d to propose in the Committee, he
I trusted he would remedy au omission which was.

observable in regard to the ormy of reserve. He
understood there were instances of persons reeving
by sulistitie.es in the army of reserve, who wece
actually drawn afterwards for the He
knew oue instance where a man 1110 ex..
',coded lietweeu 40 acid so guineas in prosidiwg e
substitute for the army of reserve, who was new
serving personally iu the militia. lle trusted the
Right I-lon. Gentleman would propose a clause in
the Committee to remedy this defect.
'llic artier tot toe day was then read for the se-
cond readhsg of the Lill.
Sir JANILs spoke at considerable length
f.n.nu the Ojeeisition-side of the House, but in a
maimer so totally Mandible ,to the gullery, that
it way impossible Mr us to alicertaiu with precision
whether he opposed or supported the BiE.
Colonel SHIPLLY spoke with considerable force
aLoiabt the measure. He °briefed, that for se-
veral veara pied there had *entirely beets a single
seenon of Purliameirt without Some new *antic,
-either for the increase of the army, or for the de-
feuce of the couetry, submitted to the Illouse.
Each succeetfing Ministry hail either adopted mea-
sures to render funkier ones perfectly euyintry, or
Such as neither emitriliuted much to the streugth.
and delimee uf the cutitry, nor to tile nu...pease of
the :truly. Ile could see hat very little advantage
resulting from any of their a't,--itienis or schemes;
hut he had seen getting annstraurdinary
deg Tee of power an-I influence by sdontiirg lent-
surceonly calculated to prieluce a temporary be-
-11,: had neither so the comferts of the
coulitry increased, nor the arm" receiving bereft
f:•out -.nein. A suedl addition to vie force of tl e
country, i a greet iucreaae rf petronage to th.zina.
salves, seemed in slim.t to be their only object. In
the. last Partiiment a a) .tem wAi prOpo.:C.i, which,
altlmugh it 'mid net increased the army re. iit-h; vet
ceo improper or self.int,_rest,d motives could thence

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be attrilintea to the then exiling Ceseerninent. It 4
c- tausly traded to tattier tat: tottiatiou of the sol-
tr, sad lie trosted oat too). toy would ever be
vo•atelat to that Amster, who had aised his best
OWL:at:MI* iu itum behalf. aid had actually put
tat -tit llp.0:1 a better tuoiiiiz, witisont at ail Mertes.
fns own power. Hi: thought the army had
the.* been placed uptia welt a system as to pre-
clu.le all the schem .s twit projects of any set
of euipirics. lie did flatter himself that wltat-
erer changes might be stigge.ted by mile;
u,ent the snare getieral system of de-
fence, tilt:y would have carefully observed not
to strike at the foundation and rout of that
system, before it had lied a fair trial. At all
events, he should have thought that Ministers
would not have attempted to make any change,
unless they wall have suggested something urea,
which they could skew 0/:14 for the good of laic
country. They had now proposed a plan which,
in their opinion;, was to increase our strength in au
a:mishit..., degree, and to preclude us from all at-
tacks from an invading enemy. Vie are told that
we are to have a nuinefaiu, regimented force, with-
out putting the country to much ex pensemor to much
trouble. If he wereeonvificed oh this, such a .measure
should have his support, from whatever side of the
'louse it came; but lie not only erniceived this mea-
sure to be attended with great c...pense to the coati-
try, but with vast trouble and iiicoaveui.mee to in-
dividuals; that it was,perfettly futile and iitelciw,
t:oinbioing all the diratlrantages of other measures,
without contributing any of their beneficial egrets.
Does the Noble Lord believe, that in the pace of
tts days, a vast number of iutm, brought together by
compulsion, can be discipliaed and regimented as a
regilar force? it was hardly sidfici.frit time to dis-
cipline a small uuMber of recruits in the ordinary
maticeuvres, and how then could it happen that such it
. great body of men could be trained and disciplined
in all the necessary evolutions of an army ? The i,4ea
was extravugstio. etell ridiculous iu the highest de-
gree. We were told they were not to be expen-
sive, and yet these militia were to receive a ccrtaiu
bounty, betides being paid, armed, and clothed at
the expense of Covernmetit, besides having a per-
tunueot gaff kept up for them in every county
town. lie elmahl aver and maintain, diet this
would be a .great expense to the country, without
as equivalent advantage resulting iron stick a
ininkleare. The volunteers, he now uoderatontl,
were else to be allowed' to enter into this militia,
and to receive bounty; so that Government had
first put arms into their hands, ind when they
were accustomed to the use of tb`.•e, in the service
which they had first chosen, they were to be per-
goaded by a bounty to enter into another service,
is ...hid] they would notbe so useful.- He thnoght
too that it was absurd to say that individuals would
not be put to much incooreeicooe. 'they would
not only incur great' trouble and inconvenience
themselves, but transfer a vast trouble and expense
upon their parishes, by leering their families desti'.
• tote tff support. Not to dwell, upon the various
inconveniences of such a measure, be should only
odd, that it was one of the moat oppressive and tri-
osestitationel ever introduced into the House, and
ateold tend to create universal discontent, as itin-
moused Miuisterini inflective. We were told that
--si•e-m‘-twimiwire‘ she "11.1.4 arose, would not be im-
peded iv this species oT coulicripuon. for it may be
called by that name; but, for his part, he thought
that instead of creating a lave of military discipline
oi service, it would rather create aversion and
disgust. Suds were his ofanions upon the
generit principles of the Hill. One clause in par-
tieular he shonid allude to. These local militia
were to lie officered is the same way as theptaa
Wished militia. This he thought watt utterly im-
possible to be 'o.min/disked, as he bellevea't/lat
there was Dot now a single militia regiment iur-
nished with it. full complement of olinsinioklnd
how much mere difficult will it be to fiudtheus
for these ? Some dinulvantsires 'must alwhys at-
tend substitution, but he thonglit the dense which
prevented it in this premise Hill did not remedy the
evil. If a man we, unwillin,, or unable to serve,
it was absurd to prevent him from providing a sub-
stitute, either at his own expense, or by subscrip-
tion amongst his neighbours. It would be 'tout
desirable that measures of compulsion should not
be resorted to ; but such a measure very much re-
sembled the policy observed by Ministers during
the last Session. They atfeet to be endeavouring
to promote a system of conciliation, while they tit
the rune time throw impediments in the nay of it.
Such surely had been their conduct in o•garil to
Ireland, by the appointment of persons to offices
of authority, who were ohnosions to the people.—
It was in vein to allege that that was the mode to
conciliate the affection. of the inhabitants of the
sister kingdom. It was in vain to say, that
mode of conseriptiouwould conciliate the people of
this country. In future pages of history there
would be an extraordinary contrast perceptible be-
tween this and the late administration. The one
bad tended to increase the liberties; and commerce
of the nation, alleviate the burdens, and conciliate
the alTecti6ns of the people, besi.tes rendering the
military life mire agreeable to the soldier; the
other narrowing the liberties awl diminishing the
commerce of lie nation; instead of conciliation,
governing the country by an armed conscription,
and discouraging the soldier, by adopting the unli-
mited instead of the limited service. lie was well
aware of the inconveniciice that insist attend any
vigorous measures for the defence of the country ;
but he was convinced that, of all others, this NHS
the worst ; as it actually coinbit.ei all the disad-
vantages of the most vigorous measures, without
.incluiliog the least beneficial retrults. Such were
the rounds on which he should oppose it._

Mr. Jou* Set TN raid, tint not one of his eon -
itittleati had stated to him the smallest etiection
to it. He had ever profcised hi iniselr a friend to
the volunteer system, but Le tlion!,lit that, more
than one onportiinity had been lost, by which they
'night bare been made. perfect. The,-
however, were gent, Ly. and it only remained• to
reader theta a. elleet:ye as possible. and this Bill
osemed to hit's to hate ju.t exactly that effect. It.
`rd that sort of bold of them, that it subieete4
thou to a snbsequeht ballot. so ae to secure their
service is one way. Tiiis could not be called a
eoraireriptioo, as there was a clause. by which a per-
son hallotted for this senior ;night he entitled to
go into a volunteer corps, and they uave 4:0111(1 be
called forth, except in cases of iiiiperivus uerisity.

He thou::,ht that by the ballot idchtding Ur!
serviceabie ut the coutitr), it was tue
wore tit fur the lidoptiou of tite,kuuir...
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. Mr. iIhaBLII.T wee by ha menus iitelined to resist
the aesesiiig of the liiil, though it might be 'etc:til-
ed %hit suspense awl other ineollVeWeisee. Ile a as
too well un are of the 'WIIIOI7B slate of the pre-
mut times, not to think tlielitll proeosed a measure
absolutely necessary for the safety of the couutr.
The Bill, be regretted, Ilud 0110 defect, and Bu,'t
was a .in of waissten. The empire had been niucti
belelited to toe N'Oble Lord for caret itig the liked-
',Aire of the Legislative Linen. when :secretary of
State fur irelaiul; he notch wished the Noble Lord
hall carried the principle of Union through
at least this Bill, 510 endeavoured to concentrute
the fordo of the too countrite one fr
the liill sli.uald have comprehended Irela,al.
It was au atuenaly there should he u union in oue
sense, and vet iio union of force. He was eon-
s-juiced the persons eurulitel in the militia of the
comity he repreeented a oulrl have no objection
wimiever to e-,1 to may part of them Burituni, for
the welfare of the empire, were they Assured the
power with %fedi Ills Majesty ii4eit he invested
by any legislative a,•t to that effect would not be
abustek l le strongly recommended to the Noble
Lord the propriety, or rather the imperious neces-
sity, of iucluding Ireland within the provieions of
the Act.
Sir Vitra-etas Betterrr —" I agree with the Hon.
Member who lately addressed the House, the pre-
sent hill only come from the Noble Lord.—
I know Mlle 50 capable of devising a measure of
its nature. He, 1 cannot suppose, is, but certaiuly
the Honer must be, ignorant of the evils and 'pis-
and* to which they are a bout to subject the cannery,
by pernaittingthis setae peed Mesa law. Let it not
he forgseteui that Croat Britain is a land of free-
dom, Hurl dna Briton* have nu Wit-teat detestatiou
fur borehiee. The miiitary of this country have,
eneformably to the spirit of the times in which they
were first led out for the public defence, beet, sub-
jected to a rigorous node, termed inertia law,
injurious to the feelings of every brave mos, and
disgraceful to humanity. Such an iiistitution
shonld rather now he abOliidted, as far as it ultras
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the military, than be revived lig lima the whole
population of the petiole I I'vel this u degrading
circumstance attending the Bill, which I cannot
peas without severely reptehating. At the term
conscription I em not 'teemed, nor does such a
measure excite my dislike. 1 can never conceive it
a hardship that a manikhall in this crisis be called
forth todefeiel, in anus, his Country and its liberties.
(liter liter! sad Brarelfrout the gallery.) But,
Sir, I ant eager Ministers sherd& before they sub-
ject freemen to a military code, render that code
such as freemen, could obey or be governed by, and
not one which inflicts thorns punishineuts uulmown
amongst freeineu of antiqulte,,or only exercised'on
their slaves. To patronise or iiktrwince Ilan pub-
Ile the severe and sanguinary code of martial law
and military puitishinent, I grant the Noble Lord
is most eminently fitted. lie has a natural predi-
lection in their &roar, and at an early age he dis-
played, is the commencement of
.his political' ca-
reer, hie native bias amongst his own countrymen.
The Irish have, unfortunately, been safferers by his
application of this principle iu civil life, and long
may it he ere this &sentry shall permit a /Mailer ex-
periment to he made by the ingenuity of the Noble
Lord. Heel I filly lives, with pleasure *mild I ea-
erinee them all, rather than permit the country to
labour under so distressing a grievanee.-1 Hear !
Hear!)—When it is considered that France pm-
sesses at this moment nearly one hundred millions
of sulieets, that she is nut unly .11 sarbiie, martial
maims, hut is regulated, goverped end led on by-a
ruler of the meat comprehensive mind, and suc-
cessful policy, with armies confident of victory, and
inured to enterprise, it might have easily been
expected that. such a state of things would hale in-
spired fit ilitlerent ideas from those which have
been the result of the Nolile Lord's redece
Lion. In such a mete, I say, 'tie just to coups
dude, that all the physiud force of the estuary
alienist he united in the common cause. But it
should he thin united by 'fair and liberal mean.,
not as sieves who have no tie to 'te thorn to the
interests of we hey; bus the scourge and the tor-
ture. The present mode is one perfectly fitted for
despotism, but totally imperfect es a menus of
collecting our strctigth ; unit is altogether sac•h as
must unavoillebly diseciver to the country, that
any man daring to meddle in the military
attain of the tuition, and proposing such a
measure, is not only an improper. but a dale
gerolis person to till the sitriatium held by the
Noble Lord To profess to rahe, by this mode,
sixty dummied men, displays so mach ignornace
suet so .ll weakness, that it empire but ap-
pear haziodoul ill the extrenes to permit such
a person to continue at the head of the
military department. With the vast population
and extent of Maritime territory posseesei by
Francs., 'tie altogether impos-ible lint she must
speedily hnve a fleet, which will he able to coirtend
with us at sea, or at least to protectao invasioa
our shorter. awl envoi, therefore, should our sys-
tem of internal defence, that we should not fed
the least alarm had we not a ship on the ocean. The
spirit, the entitn,iasin of the country, is that which
will he faantl the nation's best hooe in difficul-
ties, and security in trial. I regret tee subject
is one of those which I cannot speak of with
cosine.. and temper. It is one which harrows
up all the indig.,.tut feelings of man. Whet !
are the people of this country to be, coerced
and flopped to the execution of their duty to
themselves, their lemilies, and their country ?
`.4hall Fri-einem slime he compelled to a 31r.:2%D of
their duty by the terror of the lash ? Putting oust
of the question all the burden of personal eery ice
and other inemiveniencias etteuciine the measure,
but which it may he absolutely newts:try for the
suitety of the country thet each should undergo.
There 'recur Was a measure, perhaps. tests fitted for
the completiori of its object. Similar r•••lttiaitiotts
had been math! ill rnto.t of the nations of Europe,
, river which the I reach finally Twee!, without meet-
me with any Cling like realism{.; 111 their way.
fling here declare 1 eetertein no doula li leatever of
the power which may be vested in I,e :it onerele bt
our Constitution ruble& tilig t he whole 1 ,o,asiat i on to
Iris diaptral. Nor have I the lett,t altprel.t tt. ioa that
that right will tvvr ht. i.)% of. 1141 t tilt
subjects of His pots.. Jut y, ince we eiay justly

infer, • that he will never transgress the cernititiited
manor-ay with winch he is ve,ted. But let me re-
mind the !louse., and the Noesiu Lord, that similar
viizorous uireersores have, iu other times and other
countries, proved clestreietiee to tat iateiests, and
fatal to the existence, of Princes kiis inuileut, and
less the object of the natiem's regard. The wee-
cure professes to raive our torte to the stanfard ne-
cessary, het. it piovidcs no hicrease ot twee. say,
rather, by disrnuraging the volunteer ay stern and the
:training Act, it Deere-uses the actual fires. of the
estuary ,for tau o habi I ity co a repo alativ advantage
Iv meal.. of aocer,atetu, whilst it tieg, eader the
character of the nation, anal the spirit of individu-
als. 1 leave but one rein n k farther to make, and
that but ',limit') on the present measure, but
connected with it in the sa.ne way as it is with
most of the measures of government, winch
the lamentable circumstance attending all oar.
councils and deliberations, namely, that every
thing bears the distioguishing marks of a falling
nation. But a short time ago this House re-
solved to adopt a new principle in the military sys-
tem of the country. Scareely had this been put
into execution, and before there is any poasiliiiity
of its being tried fairly, than that principle is
about to be snppliuded by another, and the field
for speculation is again opened. Thus there ap-
pears nothing Imt vaccillation in council, and irreto-
Intim' and ignorance in those at the head of tellirs,
who, wink they are employed in talking about prac-
tical politics, discover themselves to be mere
journeymen lioliticiawywithout discernment enough
to discover what is right, or resolution enough
to persevere even in their own conception of right
and wrong, sud professing principles totally con-
trail' to the authority of all those venerable charac-
ters who have written for the instruction and im-
prove:neat of huunenit)."
Colonel Woos professodd his abhorrence of using
severity, in too great a degree, even among. the
soldiery. The lash was not the. only means
yt which soldiers were governed. He regretted the
Lnglish and Irish militia ware not liable to be sub-
stitutes; for each either by the present bill, and ap-
proved highly of the local militia.

Mr. 1i bITOREAD said, he did not to clearly see
why an Honourable Member should have so highly
applauded the Noble Lord bar the admirable COll.
ducelse displayed in the contest for the Union ; it
was may to account for his success. A certain
ancieut King of Macedon observed, that be found
no great difficiilty in telling that fortress ohmic
gates would but admit au as, laden with, gold.
The Fish Chancellor of the Exchequer could best
witisfy the House how far the Noble Lord had
eat ployed such means. The Noble Lord had
strangely forgotten the principle upon which he
bad argued mciipist his Right Ilonourahle Friend,
(Mr. N ilsdhaial, when he had objected to his
trvatitteut of the voluutters, and had himself
high!' applauded that institution. He wax now
of he first to b Mg them completely iuto disrepute ;
lord' the bill proposed to do way thing, it was cer-
tainly to convert the volunteer* into militia. There
was no addition proposed to the force oldie coun-
try, hut there was a vast increase of expense pro-
'the operation of a ballot bad, within the
last four months, bores found very prejudicial to
the country, vet by this spurns there was proposed
et continual balled. and a plan also of makiag eme-
rgent detitiencies, by voliiiie-ering into either este-
blishmesits. All that was good in the measure was
taken how the plan propmeed by his Right lion.
Friend, all that was had was novel. The provision
for lessening the period of yearli of service was fu-
tile, since it was net possible to provide the
force required, within the years of is and 35.
The population could net bear it. The 1111107 P of
time allotted for training was altogether insufficient
for making them soldiers, and vet too long to keep
the youth, who were thus forPed from their peaceful
innocent life, from contagion and vice. il'itls
respect to the proposed change of militia between
Ireland and England, lie lamented to say be tlionibt
it scarcely practicable. Would to God, said lee,
there was no necessity to bring over the Irish to
behold our wealth, splendour, mad luxury, to °take
theta attached to us; and world to heaven the
Niiiiistry would puesne that heir of policy which
would ethinert the interests of the two countries
together. Hut such is not their wish; and it is vain
to expect nu litarly co-operation ou the part of that
notion

Mr. WI LB f. k FORCE expresses' his opprobation of
the Noble Lord lair frieusts plan ; regretted that
the sountry slid not seem perfectly aware of its
danger; and saw in. po.sible luea.aa of saving
the eouiitry. from iiiviisi ))))) except by sitnil ir
menus. The only chuucr the within loot of
preser:iiig itself mid it.. credit, was to keep up
such a force as might rends.' all hope of suere-s in
He :vs.:rested (lover •nt bed not
&It itself warranted in culling out rill the force of
the nation, awl exhorting them to retiree the W...
quisitions of their forrfatheis, and their tuitional
greatness. Ile should assist the Tulle Lord's mess-
sure, SO far se it Went, yet he would feel inneli more
satistavtrun had the bill gone as far us other Gis.
rerninents had conceived themselves wa,snuted
going. 'Elie force should Den only be nearly equi-
valent to the etiective population, but should be
also ptrinanent. The presont wa4 a golden inter-
val, when it might he done with effect, and he
hoped the Govennuent would not permit it to pass.
-11 Ir. WIN OH A Al denied that the country nod the
House were not aware of the danger inn...tiding
over them. lie had no less apprehension for the
tuition iu the year lid, when the Right Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. iVilherforce) had so different
un opinion of things, that he compelled the great
MAO, the9t ot the head of affairs, to turn the whole
system of his measures, and not it into other hand,.
'this wits all Owing to tilit flit-il error wider which
he laboured, and to the dissentinatimi of which he
contributed greatly, by his advice. But was the
danger so terrific in the eyes of Ministers, that they
eared not what were tlla in,ans ? %%us the oat'
tto they had, danger ? sVas there no co.isider-
ation of safety reipos:te ? The remedy might lie se,
prejoilicial as the iLsoinw. lit slid not object the
colliitf was ca!lcd to do too much ; Ise t:mieelit
far oriierwi..e. But then; was, Lifter ad!, we Lead,
walling to be done as to prim:will:4 1u uddi-
tire% of Cibree. _There wet no MCC...5..10U to the deter
of the country. The a bole bud been miscaleithited.
l le would ear ou tite siihject, us Dnetor JuLnsou
once s..id on a ttvrli a ilich had I•Ci. nut tA :tit

;Teat parade or litentry reiwart:ll a•q.l
St,ip the bird of iis .
what it has in it substantial ?" it hit by • ib :.e
doing for his pforevicil ? 't hric au., Le
granted, enough or other matters and 1,u,1,n,ua is
it, but good ; wLieh perhaps ti.ute u
the Louie Lori: would %brie Lf.t
tional on his part, but were useiei: t e
of accident, like the doctrine of the Lsai.rn::.-
ture of atoms. There was enough of eves:!.
tiou and iutertuvtimi of lat:our, hard yri?.,!).,g
laws on the poor of tie ((midi-3... and a •
play of rich patronage and iiitimener.
would all this be worth ? It aas all fiord.

gold would it Lring if buriwd clown ? VVilat
real value lie bad said it woaltl

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300,00 u men in arms, arts this true ?liati a~ .;
the 31.00,u0v inert before? And fetal we nut
more effectually in torus by the treiniri..s.te„.
than by this, winch wail ant to Qi,tivtt•
sums considerable time, and there might Ines
been provided by that Act *alone 200,000 men,
it had been :teemed necessary ? He ohjected to
the period uliotteil for exercise by the p;ese,,,
bill, as altogether nailed for the ;mil ones el
rendering them soldiers, or pernrie.hur thew to
continue manufacturers arid hoshatiiin.en.
time was too short fur the first, and tau keg for
the last. But these troops were to be tegieuutrii,
and formed into anatvauies, battalions, &e. 1:,,,
was the growl origin:. ground on which the
Lord rested the excellence of his memure. "1 he
idea might be very imposing to the ie.:Mary net ins
of the Noble Lord; but it would lie found in this
end to he • complication of weakness and 101,5.
The only euissideratioria were, what had hero griMed
as to extense, and what had been added to the im-
morality of the country ? In these tv o cousider-
anoint, at least, it had far outstripped any thing
proposed by his predecessors. The go at ad-
vantages which roma to striLe the Notate Lord,
eoimist chiefly its clothing these nee levies of his
in red each rod breeches. He is pleased with
the agreeable contrast they make with the
green prospects around deem; and, after having
rendered the whole country a complete se .
magundy, he assures himself lie has obtained a
most excellent trained force, ht tor 4.1 the purpose s
of war. Regular training alone could etlect this
desirable end. Aud here he world suggest to the
House the mama why assailing aintsies to gearedl
had the advantage; because ;4.1 were ',repair d for
the assault, and regularly diseip,itriel, wbilst tin e
whom they Nita* kt LI wire uniprtpared, and lino
expert in the use of arms. lie would risk, wilt-air
the Noble Loot would males these troorw brunt
than those already at the service of the <sundry,
raised by the late Training Act? Yes, said tre
Noble Lord, by giving thew numerous oftern.
But who were these Acct., or of what strait*
were. they to those they never sew hat once a
year r 1 his was only to 'increase the number of
officers iufiuite-ly, without gaining one tittle
by the exchange. Awl yet these troops, it was vin!,
would be fitted to serve with the liue, by t6.1,,,.-
.cles of disciplining and training. Jr stir they
should happen to get there, thil would, be was
sure, only prove a court rot' diaister. They were
not made more capable of acting, chattier
might he of *offering more. VS benever they shoind
be employed, he haritio doubt they woe d 'titivate e
defeat and dismay into the ranks of dm .010re.5..-s
It was the intention, he Lad heard, of the Noble
lord, to dereottunmance, tittering inns the tolon-
terra elteiether. Even eirsohar letters, he lea
heard, hid been sent out to prohibit say perm...,
from entering, whilst the bill was pending in Pv:-
liaineut. This appeared very probahle, Vicrui;lr
he could not answer furies accuracy. Sortie of
friends of the Noble Lord's measure had, as fi iriais
also of the volunteer system, like the Noble Lcril,
expressed their approbation of the volcideers, in
very ambiguous phraseology. One professed him-
self !Ire friend of the verluutecirs, if they simuld tee
(-Mule: Lied to continue volunteers. A compulsory
volunteer was a sort of being he had never till than
heard of. This put him its mind of at gene-email
vitas *as food of having his ice warmed. Another
fricud of the volunteers complained of the trouble-
some interference of law courts to the satin of
the volotateers. And it soon, after Repeated this
trouldesolue interference was no other than a
dc i-
siou gireu be the Court of King's-beach, tla.t a
volunteer could not be canape:led to aerie in the
eorp4. Those were °llene... rather of the law
makers than of the courts, a Lich only enforced the
laws, and the coteelatot should rather hove here
mode to the llouse, agaiiist itself, for having
thallno. such been the conthict oftliellieeri, of
the volunteer.. that it lied ut.iitied him altoetther ur
' the advice, he, who had In en denominated the eve-
' nay of that system, had, on a humor occusion,
given them, its tire foreign proverb, •• guard me
agaiust my friends, and I shall take care
of itis *elf against say enemies."—lt could, he
feared, be proved, that the profess. d friends a the
volunteer establishment were at heart the gin •it•
possihrie eireinics they could have. t 1,•;• proil.1”111
of this Bill lead been much commendeil for its le. P-
riority, taretrelv, that of compelling voluidoent to hind
theirown clothes, amid serve at their own experme. Yr t
this had been anticipated in his former bill. h.,
would repeat it—there was nothing oriental in tli:s
!roamed measure, but what was prnWraats
to the interests, finances and man. is' flue
country. Of there two plats now before the I t euse,the
esietiug sad the proposed, he should leave th.f 1 ; ou- e
to judge which they Would support, by t; le:-
jogs as well as their understusiiiires. \.:.h re-
spect to the expense, he observed, tiny
a uhdy. But in the grand object of itifirrence mail pa-
tronage there was the gre..test poss, ble
the present system, tilts had been relit:. I,•A
pri••111111`. whilst in the pr all
at its masianio. NA hell its o's ill% list a mini-
ben Of ecilllllllo*loll., grik
elltiollit 1411 d 11014011iN, were by it to he tlistributt.!.
it must appeals a most ad.r.ira',ly-contiii-ed plan
for the grand purpose of I qttroris„:,e. but it was
necessary to blind the country by one er
smithy : if it t, as a prejniiiec •at wa• it ca. liens tsoy
to gate it it gloss tollit.eti,e blemish sit 11...; ti:•s If
Uri. It had broke up the erode sy so to of the ;•re ; .
and lii the general credo-ono it
Nuthie Lord had some hope that some
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