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THE LITURGY.

Lord A. HAMILTON then gave notice that he
would submit a 'notion to the House on the eibject
of the omirlion of her Majvey's name in the
Lilurgy. on Friday next.—(Load cheers from Me
Opposilion.)

DOCUMENTS ON TIM ABOVE SUBJECT.
Mr. WITHSRELL observed, that the Noble Lord
haying given notice of a 'notion, tending to am in-
quiry into the circumstances attending the erasure
of her Majesty's name out of the Book of Common
Prayer, be should hike the liberty to make one or
two remarks--

The SPEAIRER, here interposed, and after apo-
logising for the interruption, called the Holt. and
Learned Member to order. He felt qoite w►tis-
fted that nothing was more ir►egular than to at-
tempt to offer any remarks on what was merely a
notice of a motion for a future day.
Mr. TIERNEY observed (amid a good• deal of
confusion io the House, which prevented us from
understanding his temarks with all the accuracy we
could wish), that if be bad rightly uoderstood the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Wetherell),
he had meant simply to say, that lie wished to give
notice of some motion resulting from that of Os
Noble Lord ; and if such a notice were to be given,
when, he asked, was it to be done, so as to pre-
cede the discussion of the other question, if not
now ?

Lord CASTLERE•IIB wished, that if the object
of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Wethe-
rell) were ruch as had been represeoted by the
Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Tieniej), he should
give notice of Isis motion for to-morrow, or the dry
following. But he thought that it might be as
well if the Right Honourable Gentleman would
let the lion. and Learned Member explain his
own meaning himself, tc which his competency
could not be doubted.—(('heers from the Trea-
sury Benches.)—The Noble Lord was then un-
derstood to complain of the irregularity of the
House entrrtriuiug► ■ny questions of another mt.
ture, before it had entered on the consideration of
Isis Majesty's Speech, and the Address in Answer
thereto; but the exact import of his observstions
was not nodersteorl in the gallery.
Lord Foi.isTotts was of opinion, that it was
competent to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to
proceed in the present stage of the business or the
House.

Mr.. BAN&Es believed, that it seas by no means
usual to introduce • motion, or eves. give a notice
at the commencement of a Session, prior to any
report being made of the proceedings in the House
of Lords. If he were not mistaken, the Speaker
had interposed, with the view of putting the
Honourable and Learned Member (Mr. Wetherell)
in possession of the usage of the House, and
to inform him that by its practice it was
not competent to any Member, on a simple
notice of a motion, to indulge himself in any
observations on the substance of the same. But it
appeared to him that the circumstances ought to be
very peculiar, indeed, which would justify a
Member even in giving a notice in the present
posture of their proceedings.

The SPEAKER trusted that the House would'
pardon him for having interfered—(Hear, hear)—
conceiving himarlf called on so to do.—(Near,.
sear.)—Probably it might be convenient to in the
Hon. and Learned Member explain his own view of
his statement. He had to apologise to hint if lie
had taken an erroneous view of it ; but he had cer.
wilily understood him to say, that having heard the
notice of the Noble Lnrd, lie wished to make some
remarks on the subject. And it did appear to him
that, consistently with all the ordinary forms of the
House, it was• impossible for a Member to do that
which would lead to a discussion on a mere notice.
Having stated this, he was sure the House would
pardon him if he had misunderstood the Hon. end
Learned Gentleman.—(Hear, hear.)—lf he had
not misunderstood him, he must again put it to him.
self and to the House to judge whether he could
with propriety persevere in the course in which he
was about to proceed.—( Hear.)
Mr. Wentancr.t. explained that his object had
been to submit to the House a motion preliminary
to that of the Noble Lord, its object being to have
certain papers laid on the table, which were proper,
and indeed neceisary, to be before the House pre-
viously. to the discussion of the Noble Lord's
motion.

Lord CASTLICIMAGH. submitted whether it was
agreeable to the orders or the wage of the House
to make * motion for papers of an important nature
without giving any previous notice whatever. He
trusted that the Hon. and Learned Member would
not persevere, particularly when by giving notice
this evening there would he ocher opportunities of
introducing his motion and obtaining the papers, if
the House saw it fitting, between this day and the
day fixed for the Noble Lord's motion.
Mr. WETHIMILL said that he bowed with de—
fererice to the observations of the Speaker. and the
sense of the House. But as a motion had been
made which could not be discussed properly nor
to advantage, before certain papers were laid on the
table, he thought it as well to have these papers
Rroduced.before the thscubsiou. He felt satitfied

that the inadvertency which had led to tile ptesent
discussion was his own, mid not to be imputed to
the Chair. He intended now, i, eon►phuuct. huh
the wishes of the Noble LorJ, lo wove—iC►ies qf
" Live notice," from the Ministerial side/—to
give notice—/Load and general cr►e.s if " Mover
move," from the Opposition.)—tle should now
move—

" That there be hid before the House copier of all Col-
Liris and 'manna iu the public Litwrgy of the Church in
each Reign, from the Reign of James I. till the pretreat one,
in which tbe name of the Quiet's CUllierl has been insert. d
from time to time.

" Also copies of the Acts of Uniformity, 13th and 14th
Charles 11.

" Also • copy of the Order in Council Ilfthe 12th Frl)rii.n..
Ny rinse of ranch her hlrjusty's name has hero onward I.
the Lisergy."

His object in submitting this proposition was,
that when the motion of the Noble Lord Awed be
brought before the House, it might previously.kaire
Lit co put in possession tiresome mat moot taut facts.
the knowledge olivine)) was indispensable toward.
entering on its consideration and discussion *teas
advantage or effect. He had no doubt brat evrrS-
Member had individually furl ished friar/eV with
much useful information on the very grave aid ii-
teresting subject which the motion involved ; but
the practice of the House was, whenever a prep eni-
nun came before it, the consideration of Which re-
quired a previous acquaintance with certain fief*,
to have those facts established stud autliensiameal by
documents regularly produced and Nadal) its table.
He had' no doubt that the omissieu of leer Majesty's
name in the Liturgy was incoutusteut, first with the
statute, sod uext with uniform ssaage.—(llear.)
It was therefore that he wished to hive copies pro-
duced of the Acts- of Uniformity stud Clawson
Prayer, front the reign of James 1. down tanner
the succeeding ours till the present. lie had one
doubt that soy Gentleman *ha for one comment
considered the subject, would say that himself tee
ally other person could conic to a decis en the
pinta eonsistently with justice or righteous jiMg-
went, till lie had looked to the usage of lortner
lime* and the provisions or law. Without that no
alt 111841 could do justice to his own conicience, or
obey the dictates of the law. Ile upprebended 1110 D
be was quite iii eider w proceeding with Ins mimeos,
fur he believed thst without the papers which he
was desirous to obtaita, the lionse would on the op-.
prosching disconsitni be unable to do justice either
to itself, the Queca, or the public. Such had
been Lis snotives in iiittodur log the proposittins
which had led to such lengthened ii:CU!S1011.
The question huvitig been put front the Chair—
Loud CASTLEREAGH said, that the Hon. and
Learned ttlember had chosen to more for a variety
of public documents of an important description.
without any previous notice or intonation that such
was his intention. As for the documents theniselve.,.
it was not contrary to his wish that they should be
laid before the House ; so far from it, that it was
on these he should ground whstever observations-he
might feel it necessary to offer to the House when.
the Noble Lord's (Lord A. Hamilton). motion
should come to be discussed. But lie put it to the
House whether this was the proper lime and mode
of culling for their produetiots?—(tiear, hear, from
the Ministerial side.)—He put it to the House
whether this House was likely to be improved by
wane °nile ftrotillatioll bitterly seems in it 1--(Loust
cheers-from the Opposition.,l—l-le asked whether
this was not a very extraordinsry and- incorrect
mode of proceeding to effect the Hon. sod Learned.
Gentlernini's object ? He was mitre he could not
st this moment say where, or in what particular
officer the voluminous documents described in the
motion were to he hound. It oars quite impossible
for Inut, from the limn of the motion, to say that
he could give his assent to it. Therefore he trusted
that the Holt. and Learned Member woad withdraw.
it.—(Cries from the Opposition of " coo.")—
If the motiou were persisted in, the only effect which
in his view it could be attended with would lit..
that of obhigiug the Noble Lord (Lord A. Hand-
toil) to postpone his motion, for the dottuusents
could not be in the hinds of the officers whose duty
it would be to bring theist up beft.re Friday. It
did appear to him that the motion could not be
acceded to without t•stablishing a very inconvenient
precedent. Ile hoped that it would he withdrawn,
said brought en, if thought necessaty, after notice,
either to-snoriow or the next day. If not lie should
reel it to be his ditty, without sty disposition what-
ever to withhold the information sought for, to
move the previous question.
The previous question was then put from the
Chair.

Mr. TIERNEY said, that as far as be onderstroil
the observations of the Noble Lord, be had tic
objection whatever to the motions to which he had
thought lit lc move the previous question, but
merely to the time chosen for its introduction. It
was not that his Majesty's Ministers Mt any dis-
like to producing those papers, but merely that
the mode of effecting their production was incon-
venient and irregular. But it was not extraordinary
that the Noble Lord should have discovered some-
thing to object to in the motion, for it seamed that
these were the very papery which had •led the Noble
Lord, and the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, to
such opposite cooc•lusions with tegard to the omis-
sion of her Majesty's name in the Liturgy.—(Lood
cheers, froth the Opposition.)—lt seemed very ex-
traordinary that the Noble Lord could not soy when
or where these papers were to be had. It was cer-
tainly very extraordinary, when born the Nobk
Lord's own words ►t was to be inferred, that their
papers had been carefully consulted, and full:
examined before he mid his colleagues had come te
the conclusion of leaving her Majesty's name out '
the Book of Common Prayer. lie begged the
House to consider in what way this question came
before it. A Noble Lord, with whom the lino.
and Learned Gentleman had no political cOnUeXani
whatever, had given a notice of a tnution for Friday.
The Hot,. and Learned Gentlennui then imme-
diately said that the House could not conic to a
satisfactory conclusion fur or against the motion.
unless it had an opportunity pre% musty of consult-
ing those documents, sod accordingly submitted a
motion for that purpose. Indeed he did not se
how any conclusion could be conic to without them,
unless,, as the Noble Lord seemed to wish, they
should exercise their judgment on the document,.
first, and have them produced afterwards.—(Hear.
sad laighter.)—The only question at present seemed
to be, where the paper', were to be found ; bat if the
discovery of them was indeed a mutter of such J. 111"