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acknowledge they ever knew of
for destroying Vouchers, but
sometimes, that persons over
. so floe towards the top, that the
, and discovered every defedl below.
it, Sir, as a heavy aggravation of the
against the Noble Lord, his having core-
concealed those in egularities of conduel in
Totters deriving profit from the application
blic money till the confession was extorted
to And if the Noble Lord was so sensible
defens of Mr. Trotter's memory, why, I
did he destroy those papers which were
teessary to preserve, with accuracy, the stature
Toilet of the transanions which passed be.
them? !! A man's memory may depart
toolay, in a time of need, which m,iy
Uncalled for toonorrow." Even the Right
(..,..ntlzman opposite (Mr. Pitt), whose sud-
Al unassisted recollection of the occurrences
ten or twenty years past has surprised many, by
is„-, as it were, into one focus the various trans-
m of tho periods ; yet even he, when the
Committ se
ee came to ask him questions re-
ig recent events, could say that he
not recollect, and that he bad preserved
written documents. I therefore, Sir, cannot
--sly regret the destrunion of these vouchers.
mil, Sir, so strongly do the circumstances
sing to criminate Viscount Melville, press therm-
s upon my mind, that I cannot hut think, if
were to go before a Jury, and the Noble Lord
to slim the privilege of challenging and sift-
that Jury, and to be tried, almost exclusively, by
men of his own choosing, I think it next
impossible for them not to pronounce set:-
,e against him ; the proofs of his malversation
office, amounting, in my opininti, almost ter
wnstration. But it will be sufficient for my pur.
to insist, that presumptive evidence of guilt
sufficient to put the Noble Viscount on his
; and, that the grand inquest, before whom I
now the honour to speak, 'ought to find the
But, Sir, it 'so happens, that we have in this
o not .only presomptive, but also positive proof
guilt; for we find, that Mr. Trotter paid vari.
• sums of money into Viscount Melville's hands.
s Viscount Melville &fly the advances of Mr.
n of from ten to twenty thousand pounds ?
but, in a sort of mixed language between de-
on the one hand, and avowal en the other, he
:s the rabjen, and passes on to the subjen of
Loyalty Loan, respening which, as it but little I
ens the subjen matter of our present considera.
shall not particularly dwell. But what I
o to he satisfied about is, whether Viscount Mel-
lac can vindicate his assertion, that he dealt with
Trotter in these advances, as he would with
other private agent? I would ask, whether
the pranice- of agents to lend their prin.
s money without interest ? and whither it
be credited that Mr. Trotter could lend Vis-
Melville from 10 to W),oool..without receiv-
sots advantage for so doing ?I, Might not Vis- '
. Melville have justly said to him, You are
creature—my clerk—can I then receive a favour
you without au acknowledgment ? If you
me from 10 to 20,0001. it must be from
e purse. Upon such ground I cannot ac-
it." But Viiscount Melville. so far from tell- '
ing Mr. Trotter WI thing to this effort, now says,
by way of palliation or excuse, that this traps-anion
only happened onto; whilst Mr. Trotter, on the
crier hand. acknowledges. that these advances hap-
pened often. In fag, Sir, the circumstances• of
these advances are so contradietory and mysterious,
that I consider it necessary, for the elucidation of
them, that they should go to a trial. And this I
am more fully persimil.:d of, when I refleft that
Mr. 'I rotter continues to this very day to he pt i vote
agent to Viscount Melville. It is a necessary debt
which we nos' to the nation, to enquire 'lbw fir the
pablichasbeenderrouded of that money, whether any
be due to it, and into whose pocke:s it has iound its
way. There are also other sums of money simi-
larly circumstanced, and which remained to be ac-
counted for ; sum of 20,0001. another of 3,001
Ikc. Mr. Trotter states in his examination, that
he was employed by Viscount Melville to borrow
about 23,0001. of which sum Mr. Trotter himself is
found to be the lender. Whilst Viscount Melville
on his part asserts, that he never knew that Mr.
Trotter was the lender. How very strange does all
this appear ! Can it he believed that Viscount Mel-
ville should think there was any other man in the
kingdom, besidei Mr. Trotter, that would lend such
a sum without requiring security ? And if there was
any bond on the occasion, must not his Lordship
have known to whom it was granted ? But if no
bond was execine!, must not Viscount Melville have
been sure that it could have been advanced' by no
one but by Mr. Trotter? For that no one besides
himself would have advanced it without requiring
so much as a scrap of security ? And if no interest.
nor security was required, I would pqt it home to
the, conscience and judgment of every one to decide
ooether an advantage must not have been derived
by Mr. Trotter from the public for such advances
Flit this is not all—We also find, that another sum
of about 23,0001 *as conveyed to the Noble Vis-
count through the hands of Mr. Tweedy and others.
Referring to this transanion, Viscount Melville con-
tents himself with denying that he was acquainted
with Mr. Tweedy. All this is possible, and yet he
may have touched every farthing of the money
"Inch Mr. Tsseedy was employed to convey to him
Isom Mr. Trotter. This Gentleman acknowledges
in his examination, that one half of this sum WAS
public money; whilst Viscount Melville, in'his de-
once, has sunk all these circumstances, and we
hear nothing from him as to what became of this
7noney ; so that we find distinct sums of 10, CO,
and 40,0001. advanced to Viscount Melville
opening which we have nn proper explanation,, rnner-
have we heard any thing said
letterdi to ex
repayment.p Vis-
count Melville states, in his to the Com-
missioners of Naval Inquiry, that he held other confi-
dentinaol: hesitate to
situations under Government, and that he
didadvance sums of money for
em!heletriltieh,anthen Naval
tit cervices ; but in 1716, Viscount
andas,was neither Cabinet
Minister, nor did. Di
be hold 'triter confidential
stuations under the Crosvn. Viscount Melville re-
fixes to give any account to what purposes these
sums :vereissued to other than to Naval services.
n: rvices.
t
But if he had said, a Altho Irreh from
veal motives
I o and delicacy, I cannottheex express
pot to which these sums were allotted ; yet, before


some seled persons, I would in confidence reveal
how these sums have been disposed of ," I should
have been content if such persons had come before
this House, and borne their attestation tb his in-
tegrity ; I should have been willing to have given
him credit, upon their testimony, for his motives :
but now lie comes forward and says, that
be cannot tell you any particulars as to the
disposition of these sums, not only upon public
grounds, but also upon grounds of private and
personal convenience : so that i; would seem, that
he will not tell any human being what he has !
done with this money, although professedly ad-'
vanced by him for the public good ! Nay, his ar-
gument is to this effect, that if it should come out
that this money was not actually applied to any pri-
vate us:, but, in fad, for the public goad. then we
ought to be ashamed of the imputation which has
been caet upon him in these transactions ! But, Sir,
without receiving satisfadory evidence to the con-
teary, I hesitate not to charge it upon Viscount
Melville, that this sum of 10,0001. was converted to
his private use, and also that the 20,0001. the dis-
position of which was never explained, was con-
verted to his own use. It is in vain for him to re-
peat assertions that he ailed from die purest motives;
in vain is it for him to indulge the delusive idea,
that his memory will descend to posterity without a
blot, unless he comes forward to trial, and, after a
fair end fall investigation, purges himself from
every suspicion which stow attaches itself to these
transadions. And if he has any friend in the
House, or any feelings of honour, he ought to
court of the House of Commons an enquiry,
and to undergo a fair examination before his
Peers, so that by the examination of witnesses
upon oath, he may be able, if possible, to clear
himself and wipe away every stain. Beni •ibis
not the mode of conduct which Viscount Mel-
ville seems disposed to pursue. On the contrary,
he say s—" lam innocent, but do not try me." But
when he at the same time tells you that he will not
reveal to you, or any one, the dispusieion of this
sum of money, how, I marvel, is posterity to be sa-
tisfied, if no clue be afforded by which these calum-
nies which nosy attach to him can be overturned
If, then, I have succeeded in impressing upon the
House one tenth part of the ccnvictiArt of.iny own
mind, from the report of the Seled Committee,
as well as from Viscour.t Melville's speech, the
House cannot refuse to vote for the Impeachment
for which I shall have the honour td move. lint I
must also briefly advert to the sum of 40,0001.
iii the affair of Mr. Jellicoe. 'Phis person was in
office when Viscount Melville was appointed
to his Tri asuiership ; ioe had then balances is
hi; hands to a consider•ible amount. Viscount
Melville wrote a le:ter to him on the subjed ;
Mr. Jellicoe offered to give security for the amount.
but this security was never taken ; and in fist it
would seem, that this very indulgence of leaving
such considerable rams of money in the hams
Accountants, led to else fatal circumstances sehieh
terminated in his death. But Viscount Nieiville. in-
steed of requiting of Mr. Jellicoe to mace good the
balances due from him to the public, and taking the
securities in his possession to prevent the public from
being defrauded, took no such security, nor did he
suspend Mr. Jellicoc from Isis office. There are
likewise various other instances of malversatien
in office of which Viscount Melville took no
notice. Viscount Melville leas stated indeed that
the utmest exertions had been male to recover the
money to the public out of the remaining property
of Mr. Jellicoe ; but still it appears, that for many
years no step had been taken to recover this money.
It had been stated, indeed, to the Naval Commis-
sioners, that the greatest part of this balance had
accrue,' before Mr. Dundas Cline into t'•re Treasu-
rer's Office ; hut it appears unquestionably, that he
suffered the balance in Mr. Jelecoe's hand to aug-
ment from 27 to 37,0001. whilst Mr. Jellicoe'tpre-
atecessors had not been suffered to hold a balance of
more than 7,0001. lint in the face or all these
stubborn fads, Viscount Melville now says, that he
should have considered it as great injustice towards
him, if be had not been acquitted of this loss which
the public had sustained. And I cannot but consider
it as unblushing effrontery, both in Viscount Melville,
and in Mr. Trotter's asserting that the whole of
this balance was due before Viscount Melville came
into the office of Treasurtr of the Navy. And let
it also be observed, that wbeit Viscount Melville
received the whole of One sum, riot a stiver was
paid of this acquittal to Viscount Melville's prede-
cessors in office, as I contend should have been the
case. With regard to Viecnnnt Melville's prefer-
ence of the choice of officers, it appears (after all
that he has advanced in his speech upon that sub-
jed) that the ground of his preference for holding
the office of Treasurer of the Navy was for the
sake of emolument, as connected with the appoint-
ment to the Presidency of the Board of Controul.
He says, indeed, that these two appointments
ought always to go together. But why it
should be so I cannot see. The President of the.
Board of Controul is amply repaid otherwise. 1 fps
peeterence therefore, for holding at one and the
same time these two offices, could only be for the
sake of private emolument : and although he pro-
fesses that he had no predilection for the oaice of
Secretary of State, which he only agreed to retain
for a short limited time, yet in fivt he also continued
to hold that office, and thet for the space of ten
years. The Noble Lord talks of his disposition for
retirement; but when, upon a change of Ministry,
he retired for a season into Scotland, no sooner did
he expel the overthrow of that Ministry, than he
repaired from Scotland with twenty or thirty proxies
in his pockets, and forced himself into office again ;
in that it appears that none of the pleas adduced feom
his age, health, love of retirement, &e. had weight
with him sufficient to prevent him from joining in
the political bustle and management of public at-
fairs. Viscount Melville deprecates impeachment
on account of the punishment which he has already
sustaitied ; but I say. that he has not been punished
as he deserves: for the result of the examines ion at
the Seleet Commitce calls for additional punishment.
so far at least as to put him upon his trial, so that,
if indeed he he found innocent, he may be ac-
quitted ; but that if; after a fair and full its-
yestigetion, he be found guilty, he may be
Iniaielted in the face of all mankind. I should
expend, indeed, that Viscount Melville's parti-
cular friends would vote for his impeachment,
as the only means by which his innocence can
be cleared p if, indeed, lie be innocent. But

I am aware that some Gentlemen have said,
Shall we go into the tedious business of an im-
peecliment, and have the minds of the public di-
verted from the public defence of the country, when
a cunning enemy is at your doors, and the most vi-
gorous me. urea for repelling invasion should
be pursued by all ranks?"—But, I say, that
your moments cannot be more usefully em-
ployed, than in the punishmentof great delinquents,
which becomes a matter of great national import-
ance, and that it is the fault of thrise delinquents
that your time is thus employed, and not your fault.
Nor does it necessarily follow, that impteeciennents
go into any great length. Where a good littler-
standing subsists between the two Houses, no great
length of time need be requisite. I find, in the
case of Lord Macclesfield, that the impeachment
hated only twenty-five days, no great expellee of
time; and if no more time should be consumed in the
impeachment for which I shall now have the ho-
nour to move, I contend that it will turn out
to be of public benefit. Nor, I trust, will any
Member refuse to grant me his vote on account of
his grudging the ex pence. If we are too poor to be
rohhed.we are not t'3o poor to do ourselves injustice.
It Lord Melville be innocent, no sum of money
should be considered tco great to clear him, if pos-
sible; nor, on our part, should we think much of any
sum of money which may be requisite in punishing
him, if guilty. Vise. Meville has thought fit to remind '
us, that he is now raised to a superior rank and sta-
tion. But I ask by whom? By his Sovereign,nwhose
interests he has hnestyed,and by the recommendation
believe, of a Minister, now also a Peer, who must
have head ignorant at ehe time of the mal-practices
which are now bringing to light. If guilty, it
should be known that the whole body of Peers have
beee-thegrilead -ay his adoption ansongra them. At
all events I consider it my duty to move, and I think
that it is also the duty of this House to resolve,
't That Her/ a Y Lied ri,troind M F LVIL Le be imeenciled
of high crime: nvi m:ldernenrsors." Mr. Whitbread
stated, that he held in his hands other articles of
charges and resolutions, which, however, he did not
read.
The Motion having been seconded, various Gen-
tlemen anxiously presented themselves to the Speak-
er's eye; after some time, Mr. Bono obtained the
hearing.
Mr. BOND began by declaring that he was anx-
ious to offer himself to the House in this early stage
of the debate, irrasmuch as, although he agree'
with the Hon Gentleman in many of his Argu-
ments, yet he disagreed with him as to the proposed
mode of proceeding. He therefore wished to move
en amendment, foe the purpose of removing the
difficulty which he felt to the motion now before the
House. He felt that the Honte was involved in
some degree of emharrassment from the method of
proceeding which they had hitherto adopted in this
business. When the Hon. Gentleman first proposed
a motion of censure, he had voted against it, be-
cause he considered the motion at that time to be
premeture, not being grounded upon all the cir.
cum tences of the case, and thinking,. as he did,
that they ought ail to be taken t :gether ; and, had
this been done, the House by this time might
have drawn nearer to a ennclnsicm. The next pro-
ceeding was the appointment of a Selea Committee,
fur the purpose of enquiring into other matters;
then came the motion for the Attorney G.neral
to instituse a civil prosecution; then a question
arose, whether a civil or a criminal proceeding were
froourahle. The House rad itheniy passed a cen-
sure upon the Noble Viscount. lie for one could
not agree in thinking this was no punishment ; for
his own part, he should consider it as one of the
most erievonshard..hips of lite to be exposed to it.
Neat to this, Viscount Melville had been forced
into a resignation of one of the most honourable
I and important of under Government ; his name
had also been struck off the list of Privy Conn-
sollors ; all these were the effeels of the censure
passed upon the Noble Viscount by that House ;
a civil 'proceeding had, at the same time, been
adopted, in preference to a criminal one. The ques-
tion was now, whether there .vas snthcient addition.
al matter to induce the House to adopt a different
course of proceeding ? He thought, that if new cir-
cumstances of sufficient weight had occurred, since
the late resolution, this was a sufficient ground for
adopting a new mode of proceeding ; and he
thought chat such new discoveries had- been the re-
sult us the labours of the Sele& Committee. The
first of thew circumstances that struck his mind,
was that of Lord Viscount Melville's participa-
tion of the public inoney.—NJ one could doubt
his having acknowledged to have received ten thou-'
send pounds, whilst he refuses to tell to what purpose
that sum was applied ? And ought not the House
in right and justice to inquire to what use this money
was applied ? Was it as a loan, or as a gift ? Cohld
it possibly be attended with such sort of delicacy of
circumstances that it could not be accounted for?—
Again, wish tespeen to Viscount Melville's partici-
pation of the half of V 3,0001. which was public
mini, no sat:sfeCtory answer had been obraieed
upon that point. 'fee question then wes, Whether
these new bias which had transpired, as to a parti-
cipation of the public money, were not of sufficient
magnitude to convert the prosecution from a civil
to a criminal one? It appeared that money had I
been devoted from its proper source; and the charge
new brought against Viscount Melville was that of
a connivance, and that he had also thereby derived
an advantage. He had a right to impute to Vis-
count Melville that he had participated of the pro-
fits, if he found the Noble Lord'e hand laid upon
the public money, and that money remained unac-
cusinted for. Resides these, there were others. lie
new alluded to the conversation between Mr. Reikes
amid Mr. Pitt, in which the former Gentleman stated
to the latter toe the public money had been improeer-
ly applied. Mr. l'itt spoke to Viscount Melville on
the subjelt, who answered, that there was only such
money in the banker's hands as WAS wanted for im-
mediate service : but did this turn out to be the
fact ? He could not impute blame to Mr. Pitt, be-
cause of his being deceived; for, is his official situ-
ation, and so many public concerns pressing upon
his attention, he was necessarily obliged frequently
to place implicit confidence in those who acted with
him. but it seemed pretty evident, that Viscount
Meiville, at that time, knew that be was doing
wrong, and that, therefore, it was necessary to im-
pose up .11 the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Ano-
ther thing he found culpable in Viscount Melville,
respeaing the release between him and Mr. Trotter.

It did appear to Mtn, that this was done with cii-
cumstences of concealment, tor it lead not best
with the privity 'of Mr. Spottiswoode's partner or '
son; and.as to its registration, it was well known to
three who were acquainted with what wet ties-
tomary in public offices, that this gave it no pub-
licity whatever. The time Also when this telex e
was executed. rendered the design of it very suspi-
cious. After the commission had been issued for a
Board of Naval Inquiry, and after the issuing of
their precepts ; and nn sooner was the release exe-
cuted, than it appeared books, as well as papers of
accounts, were burned both by Viscount Melville and
Mr. Trotter. If all this was innocently done, lie
could only say, that Viscount Melville was the ;nose,'
ill-fated person he ever knew. The present mo-
tion of the lionote able Gentleman be considered as
an application made to the House to in.titute
farther enquiry. He should upon the whole prefer
a criminal prosecution against the Noble Lord in
a Court of Justice ; for as to any civil process by
the Attorney General, there was, in his mind, an
end -put to that mode of proceeding, in conse-
quence of the burning of the, books and paper:.
It was true, that in some extraordinary cares, an ,
ordinary Jury was not so at to enqnire and &cite. es -,
a higher tribunal; hut he considered such clod ats ;
as the present sitfficierely plain to he underatn.4.
, and decided upon by such a Jury. This .alana ;
would have the advantage of less delay than the .
mode of impeachment. If there were more dig- •
nity in the latter mode, it was also r inre }million- ,
some, expensive, and tedious ; atid, although :retest r
that there were sufficient grounds in the present 1.5.
stance to proceed either by icreehment, of by ,
.criminal judicial process; rt.. in; the reason;, be .
had stated, lie should prefer the latter moat ase-
He was peratedeal that there couli be asaihistg
more imparti it than the ad ati ninratiun of public jute. ,
tics in this kingdom. With regard to impeacluenente.
he wished that the trial ce Mr. Hastings could be
blotted out of the page of hi-Ailey as well AS some
others, but the other mode he considered .asan-
exceptionable. Every Gentleman must be, assur-
ed. that such a ctimination, carried on by the
Attorney General, would he in safe hantknoreian,
with others of the higher rAl.lics at the bee (wliette t
ever might be their private political opinions), '
would not dare to betray any trust Ti posed in
them, more especially when the e)e of the put..
lie would he so steadfastly fixed upon [diem.--
He conclude!, that his idea of the bus:Less was.
and he meant to move, 1' That the Tenth Report of •
the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry ; the.iteaelte-
;ions of the eighth of April, and the order for the
Attorney-General to proceed at law against I leuff
Viscount Melville, be entered as read ;' andithen
be moved as an 3met:ilment to the original mule% .
"'That after the word ' that; isa the oagitralenue -'
Lion, all the rest be omitted, and thee the. fullow-
ing uordthe substituted in their place :" . "That
the Attorney-General be direfted to coma:trice
a criminal prosecution against Henry lewd Vl,-
count Melville, for the several offences, eleill
appear, from the said Report. to have barns cos- i
witted by the said Henry Lord Vicomte Mel- a
vale—and that the Attorney-General be also direct- ,
ed to stay the fornceestngs in the civil suit Militated .
against the 'aid ILl:try a...er 1 Vit.:count Melville, re- ,
speeting matters disclosed in the sent I'enth Report." a
Mr. WHITBREAD rose in explanetion, onsi., I
said, that his original inreetion was, that the At:cee .
ney General should be clee.fted to sueopdemeeeett. • . .-
ings, et least for the .preisei.i. in the corn scut.
. The MASTER of the ROLLS, after some pre- ,
liminary observetioes, which ware spoken Metz low
A tone we could nut hear [been, said, that ia print i f r
tsebet andel justice, be thought a criminal prosecutt tt
would be the most preferael-, and ee considered the
question tieen before the Noose was a eta reapeet . a e
to the choice of the diferent modes of proceed- ,
ing. The ordinary mode ef proceeding seas, in
the way alteady instituted; there was elite another
proceeding which might have been re.etted te,
namely, by Filing a Dill of Pains and Penalties;
bet. to add Impeachment .to the other modea of
eroceeding. he thought the House wouid not be
Jas.:liable in pursuing that me;enre. . If such'
were to be adopted, for what purpose then were
the resolutions of that House bid et the foot of the
Throne? the avowed objede of which, wits to re-
move Viscount Melville from offices of trust under ,
the Crown, during pleasure; but the Hon. Gtatle-
ma3 (Mr. Whitbread) did net rest here ; her next
brought forwent a M,tinn to strike the name of
Viscount Melville of the list of His Majesty's
Privy Council : this also wassffeSed. Ile therefore
contended. that Viscount Melville had already sus- .
tained sufficient punishment by the resolutions of
the House of Commons ; and. he asked, were they
now to enquire what further puuialunent was to be
inflicted ? and was the Noble I.nrd to be put u; rat
his trial, in order that some further puuislutent .
might be added ? and was this to be done with no
proposition to rescind the former resolutions, but to •
try if possible and make same :addition to the past
punishment? What was the see kit of the present
debate? It was whether .1 CI antra or civil process
should be instituted ; and what the advantages and
disadvantages, when compared, might be ? The
civil mode of proci Si 114. nee 6 erily implies. turtle e
investigation, for the purpose of compelling Vis-
count Melville to refund the public money, and
to account fur those sums of public money from
which he had paeticipet • in private emolutnent
4,
with Mr. Trotter. ' 'circumstances welch'
have occurred, he considered, had meterielly
changed the complexion of the case ; neZbe4
had attempted to say that this investigation
would disclose more disci :.ft or additional evidence;
nothing new could possibly come out upon. the en.
quiry, and they should go before a tribunal to state
those doubts which had been insinuated. without be-
ing able to state one single new fast. With respect
to the application of the 20,0001. which had been
diverted from naval to other services, that applica-
tion still remained unknown, and they were,without
any further information as to this part of the Report,
so that with resped to thi4point, they stood on web.
ly the same footing as before. With reg ird to the
charge against Viscount Melville, relative to the de-
struaion of vouchers and papers; the executing
the release containing the clause already mentioned,
WAS the only new point brought by the Committee be-
fore t it. i'reitic. With respect to this point. Viscount
Melvele's guilt wholly censi ted in this, that be had
signed a Ra.ease, which was sent down to the coati-
t. y to him,, containing a certain clauie for the stn.


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i writtem docume
t acePti regret the
troth, Sir, so 5
.ding to criminate
Tes upon my min
ey were to go be. c
ere to claim the pi
g that Jury, and t(
dive men of his
irnpowible for t
ace against him
office, amountir
emonstration. Bt
se, to insist, that
s alone sufficient to
vial; and, that the
ace now the hate
,
But, Sir, it
ase, not .only Pre'
.1 guilt ; for we f
s sums of money
Aces Viscount M
rotter of from to
o 0! but, in a sort
ial on the one han
ifts the subjee,
e Loyalty Loan,
wizens the subje:
lion, I shall not
wish to he satisfied
vide can vindicate
Mr. Trotter in th
any other private
it be the pra&ice
cipals money wit
can be credited t
count Melville fro
ing woe advaotal
count Melville ha'
my creature—my
from you withou
can lend me Iron
the public purse.
cept it." But Vi
ing Mr. Trotter a:

ruction of •ouchers ; it did not appear he was
aware of this clause, and even by his own
account he was ignorant of it; nothing at-
tache.' to him therefore, but having executed
this Relea,e In what then did his crime con-
sist ? the Vouchers were mutually delivered up
to each other and cancelled. A:id the Right Hon:
and Learned Gentleman declared that if such a deed
had been brought to him to s:gn, though the clause
might have escaped his notice, nevertheless he would
have no objedion in the world to execute it. With
respei9 to the participation of profits with Mr. Trot-
ter, a stain had been cast upon the Noble Viscount,
and a suspicion only had arisen, and he could not
fairly see how any Jury would he justified in drawing
such a conclusion. The Hon. Gent. (Mr.Whitbread)
had endeavoured to fix upon lA. Melville a participa-
tion of profitstrising out of the public muney,grotuscl-
ed upon the construaion of an Act of Parliarnent,aod
upon the Resolutions of the House ; but no Court,
he contended, would take those Resolutions as the

law. In order to have recourse to legal proceed-
ings, there should be strong and precise ground of
law ; in order to support an indielment, the charges
must be founded on a certain breach of the law.
With respell to the construelion of the Aft of
Parliament, Mr. Trotter had been in the habit.,
before the year 1782, of diverting this money to
other purposes not naval ; and the question was,
wile•ber the Treasurer of the Navy might ass the
money for other purposes? he thought it would
be extremely hard to have considered Mr. Trotter
any thing more than as a mere banker ; from
tlia• time the Treasurer of the Navy could not
make use of the puolic money, and nothing was to
be found in the Aa of Parliament relative to
making nse of the public money ; with respect to
drawing the money from the Bank of England, and
lodgitig it in tie hands of private bankers, it never
amounted to a breach of the Aft Viscount Mel-
ville had stated in the Commission !rs of Naval In-
quiry, that he never drew the money from the Bank
till the moment he wanted it ; and further by his
Lirdshil.'s account, no money remained in Mr.
Trotter's hands; but such as was liable to be taken
from hint at every moment. If the House was
in a case when Viscount Melville was to pn al-
together unpunished, it might call upon the House
for this proceeding ; but it vies not necessary to
at sin the matter, after the House had passed sen-
tence of condemnation upon him ; he had been
diarialified from holding any office under the
Crown ; he had been struck off the list of His
Majesty's Privy Council ; what new punishment. then
was to be exercised upon ham ? Were he to go to a
new trial, it would bea case unexampled in the pages
of history. Whatever might have been the conduit of
Viscount Melville, he would always find a follower
or inmate in office, v-ho would say, " I will suffer
all Viscount Melville has suffered," and no man
would put his hand to his heart and say, that any
Treasurer of the Navy would not have aged in the
same'eay. His Lordship had already been severely
punished, and justice would not suffer that punish.
meet to be too far followed up. Under all thecircum-
stances of the case, therefore, taking all the advan-
tages and disadvantages together, he begged leave
to ask, was it fit that after a fair arid candid view of 1
the case, they should call for a further punishment?
He considered it would be a strong del clielion of
their duty, to proceed without sufficient grounds.
De therefore thought, if they must adopt some mode,
that of impeachment he would prefer, in preference
40 any other way of proceeding.
Eel] TEMPLE raid, the House had decided that
Viscount Melville had been guilty of a high breach
of the law ; that Resolution was not followed up by
an Address to His Majesty, but merely carried
to the foot cf the Throne. The Right Ho-
nourable and Learned Gentleman bad said, that
nothing new had appeared but the release. Did
he forget what had occurred that night in the
charge on the public in the management of
Scotland, and the Noble Lord's declaration that
to no authority whatever would he be answer-
able, be it right or wrong; another discovery by
that night, was the system of peculation which
had ,been carried on. The perseverance of the
Noble Lord's was a farther discovery. Here his
Lordship adverted to the several answers of Vis-
count Melville to the Commissioners of Naval
Enquiry, upon which he made some general ob-
servations. He declared, as far as his voice could
influence, he would support the House in its dignity I
and previlsges, to which they were bound to ea up;
the voice of the country called upon them, the '
voice of the country should be heard, and he was
the last man who thought the opinion of the public
should not have its due and proper weight. He
the:efore strongly supported the oriAinal motion.
Mr. I. HAWKINS BROWNE agreed with the
Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman (the Master of
the Rolls), and thought that the punishment already
inflifted on Viscount Melville was extremely se-
vere. In gratitude for the many years public ser- •
vices of that Noble Viscount, and the merits whial
had I eta so much attached to his character, he
thought the Re•olutions were very severe, although
at the same time very just ; the teak. ore was a
fair one ; proper regard had been shewn to
the Resolutions, which had been canied to
the frier of the thtone. The question then was,
whether there was new matter to go upon ? and
from the whole argument it was clear, that the most
important part of the charge was that of participation
of profits at ising out of the money of the public.
The able speech of the Noble Viscount, he said, con-
tained a great deal in extenuation, and nothing to
aggravate. By giving his negatise to the present
mction, he did not mean to prevent impeachments '
in future, nor Was actuated by a feeling that the
crime was a light one. His conduit was regulated
by a reuse that there was no new matter disclosed in
the Relent of the Scleit Committee, to justify a new
proceeding, and that the punishment already inflift-
ed was severe enough ; but if either of the two modes
proposed should be adopted, he did think impeach-
ment the mere becoming the dignity of the House.
I Hew trig lioase hetreyed ifIJO,; symptoms of imp:tie/4T,
with ob-
viscount.
.perienced
sbrance ef
from his
must con- .
orable and
also beard I

the Noble Ertel (Temple) and an Honourable and
Learned friend on the floor (the Master of the Roll►)
and, for the first tittle in his life, he was not con-
vinced by the arguments of the one or the other.
—He was one of those who did not approve of
the course that had been taken. Had tho course
recommended by his fi lends been prutued, these
consequences would have followed.2-Tirst, The
whole case would have gone to an unfettered
committee. Secondly, The House of Lords would
have had no ground to interfere, and prevent. the
Noble Viscount, charged with delinquency, from
giving full evidence ; ot- it was upon the ground of
the criminal charges fixed upon him by the resolu-
tions of that House, that the House of Peers had
imposed its restrictions. He did not, however,
think that by the course taken the I louse was barred
from farther proceeding ; for the appointment of
seleil committee must be nugatory, if it was in-
tended that in the event of a report favourable to
his Lordship no farther proceeding was to take
place. From the new matter disclosed in the
Report, it appeared to him that a civil pro-
cess could not lead to any satisfatfory result.
There were three courses which the House might
pursue. To be content with the civil process,
to adopt the amendment, or agree to the impeach-
ment. He preferred the amendment, because it
was the most lenient, the less expensive, and in the
result, the more expeditious; bin if the House should
not agree to the amendment, he was bound in duty
to declare, that he must vote for the original

motion.
Mr. ALEXANDER contended that the offence
charged against Viscount Melville was not an
offence at common law, and was only lately made
so by statute ; that it was only whin, proliibeinni,
and •tot inalarn in it; that there was no penalty an-
nexel by the an to the breach of the prohibition ;
and, consequently, that the degree of offence, and
the amount of the punishment, were both in the dis-
cretioa of the House ; that the House had already
ascertained the punishment, by infliding it, a'sd
the, for what remained, a civil suit was the proper
remedy. The Hon. Member concluded with dis-
tinguis4ing the present case from the case of Lord
Macclesfield, in which the offence charged was an
offence at common law.

Mr. WILRERFORCE rose, and suggested the
propriety of an adjournment, from the state of the
debate and the lateness of the hour (twelve o'clock) ;
a loud cry of " Go on! Go on! followed, and Mr.
Wilberforce did not persevere.
Mr. PYTCHES then rose—He said that Vis-
count Melville would have done better if, instead of
asserttng his innocence, he had intimated to a friend
that the purpose of his coming wars to confess that he
had done wrong. On the contrary, he had shewn
no • emorse of conscience, but had obstinately said,
come decision, come banishment, come death and

destruftion—( Three errs so mina smite occasioned by
lusighing, coughing, and calling
.for the, question, see
could not hear any enact of the licts. Masher's speech.)
The Hon. J. S. COCKS said, that, though a
stranger to the Noble Viscount, he felt as much as
any man, when lie saw him in the situation in which
he recently stood in the House, but he must not suf-
fer his duty to give wa7 to his feelings. He could
not agr:e that his Lordship had been sufficiently
punished. Hi. Lordship had Din spoken like a man
who had acknowleiged his offence. He could not un-
dertake to report his precise words, but the substarce
of them was, that if he did not live to see his innocence
acknowledged, he hoped posterity would. That i iouse
bore hurthens, and they bore them well, because they
felt they bad a stake in the country. The people also
boretheirburthenswell,for the same reason. The Noble
Viscount therefore should not be suffered to go off
without its being made known to the country, whe-
ther he be or be not guilty of that petulrion of
which he is suspeeled, and of having encouraged it
in others. He must therefore vote for the impeach-
ment. Looking at the Report, looking at the con-
duft of Ministers, who advised His Majesty to ex-
punge his name from the list of Privy Council,
looking also to the Report of the Select Com-
mittee, from which it appears that his Lordship
was a debtor to the public, in a sum of 10,0001.
that he had 20,0001. out of a mixed fund, and
that there was besides a large floating balance,
mostly against him, for all of which he paid no ,
interest, he must vote that Viscount Melville be
brought to trial. :ionic have said that this is
persecution. 'there is a great deal of difference be-
tween persecution and prosecution. The one was
an attempt is overwhelm a man by power without
justice, the other an attempt to bring a criminal or
suspeaed person to trial and justice. the Honour-
able Member then adverted to several objet-lions,
upon the ground that it was a party question, and
aided by popular clamour, with considerable force,
and sat down amidst a loud cry for the question.
Mr. CARtWRIGHT contended that by the
proceedings already taken. every objea of public
justice had been attained.
Lord HENRY PETTY, its a very elomeent and
dignified speech, supported the impeachment, as
equally convenient and etfieecious as any other
course, and more dignified and consistent with the
proceedings of the House. The Noble Lord could
not plead ignorance of the meaning of the Ad, as
its objeft was notorious. Its objet was to prevent
the public other from becoming a public banker,
and being tempted to traffic with the public money.
If then money was drawn from the Bank, and applied
to purposes different from thoseforwhich it was voted,
it was a violation of the Aft. Of such misapplication
there were innumerable proofs before the House,
and he should not waste their time by detailing
them. The Noble Viscount had said in his defence,
thut there may be a breach of the law, and not a
high breach i a violation of the law, and not a gross
violation. He admitted it, but, in the present case,
he must confess he saw no palliation. He could
conceive many grounds of palliation : such as the
case of an obsolete law, that it was not strialy ap-
plicable, and, that the breach cemplainedof was for a
public ceme. But none of these could be urged in
the present case ; the Ad was new, strialy appli-
cable, and its violation for the purpose of private
emolument. His Lordship thin proceeded to ob-
serve upon the evil consequences of a corrupt
example in a man filling the station of Lord Mel-
ville. When such a man put his hands into the
1 public purse, it was • temptation to 10,000 others
to follow the same direition. He dwelt particularly
tipin Viscount Melville's refusing to acquaint even
Mr. Piu with the application of those sums for

LONDON,
WEDNESDAY, .11,14 e 12.

Yesterday being the day fixed for the motion for
In impeachment against Lord Viscount MEL vitas,
a great crowd assembled, at an early hour, in the
avenues of the House of Commons. At twelve
the doors were opened, and a severe pressure ensued.
The gallery, of course, was fined in a few minutes.
In the early part of the day an opinion prevailed,
that Mr. IVIIITIIKEAD would open the debate;
but about three o'clock it was said, that Lord Vis.
coent Keay:Las would be previously heard in his
defence. This excited a great degree of expectation,
and a great number of persons crowded into the
lower lobby, and also lined the stairs to the gallery
of the House, which command, a view of the lobby,
through which Lord Viscount MELVILLE was to
pass. About half-past four, his Lordship entered
the lobby, and passed into the Secretary's room,
on the left hand. The House was at this time en.,
gaged in private business. Shortly after five,
trc SPEAKER read a letter from Lord Viscount
MELVILLE, requesting to be admitted into the
body of the House, to be heard in his defence. The
Honourable ROSERT DUNDAS SAUNDERS. his Lord-
ship's son, then moved, that his Lordship be called
in; which being agreed to, the SPEAKER, desired
Mr. COLMAN, the Serjeant at Arms, to take the
Mace, and contlud Lord Viscount Metv.t Las into
the House. In the mean time, Mr. BELLAMY, the
principal messenger, brought in a square arm-
chair, and placed it within the body of the
House, within the bar, on the left hand side
The SERIZAST AT AM.SS then took up the mare,
and, having waved it three times, went nit of the
House, and took his station outside, in the lo°3by, in
front of the door of the House, and also etepa.site to
the door of the Treasury Room. Mr. IlEs a u, one
of the Nlessengers, had previously thrown epen the
folding doors of the latter apartment, and Lord
Viscount Meavitte, being informed by him,
that the House requested his attendance, Lis Lord-
ship came out, and walked uncovered into the
House, attended by the SEP.IESPIT aid Mace.—
His LOrdship was dressed in black, and WO: e a close
buckled wig powdered. He bowed three times as he
approached, and, on coming within the b.tr, the
Se CAKitt, who wore his hat on all the time, aidre,s-
ing him, said, " My Lord Mi.:Lamar, there is a
chair for your Lordship." His Lordship then sat
down, and put on his hat. Thine was a loud mur-
mur in the house on his coming in. As soon as it
subsided, which was in less than two minutes, his
Lordship arose, and taking ea T his hat, he laid it
upon the seat of the chair, and upon the hat several
papers. His Lordship then standing at the back of
the Chair, commenced his sneeeh, in the course of
which, he frevently refreshed his memory from the
papers before him. His Lordship spoke far two
hours and a quarter. lii, manner was firm and
isnplessive; and-he did not, even in the part of ac
where he appealed to the feelings, appear the I !at
shaken. The moment he had concluded, I.e took
up his papers deliberately, one by one, Atli having
put his hat under his arm, made a Sow to the
SPEAKER and withdrew, attended by the SERJEAPEr,
who, during the whole of the speech, remained
standing on the right hand side of bis Lordship,
but at the distance of a few yards, with the mace
resting upon the ground, and his hand upon it.
The House was uncommonly crowded. Not fewer
than five hundred Members were present.

Lord Viscount MELVILLE'S speech will be read
with interest. Upon the subje& of the 10,0001. and
other sums of the public money received by him,
And not applied to naval purposes, his Lordship
positively declared, that private honour, and per-
sonal convenience" must prevent hirn from ever
giving Any account of them.

Last night Their MAJEiTILS and the Pitiscasset
honoured-Drury Lane 'llt,atre with their presence,
and this day they will visit the Bahk.

-111
THE F[7l ,SAL

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ob
TUE 1: ITE S!R WM ,

I"gilff?lj

At twelve o'clock
_ . _ ..

in the following order, from Dna w..„„
to Westmiuster Abbey
Two ragason Hurceinck.. •
Eight Horsemen.
Two Pages en Nom-bock. • •
The Equine or Feati•exa coserrd• with EsCxtelsoae,.
The HEARSE and Six.
Hearse and 110 se* covered with Ersevite.teona, (our l'aca,,
each Me.
Eighteen Mourning Coaches and Six. the Holies menet wlti
Escutcheons; two Pages ou sash aisle.
Gt the first Coach were, Sir Junes Mural itolteney
John Johnson, as eh ,ef Mourners.
Second Coach, the Biahop of Chiehea-e.
In the ether Coaches, as Mourners, were the rollornoir
blernen and Gentlemour Lords--Kinnaird, Cherwyerl,c •
ley, Grantham Northwick, and Molesworth.
Hill, and David Weddeeherne Bans. G-niatals-44,4 in;
Nor•on. 'Elio Right lion. W. 1. rOnhonby, Hoe. Cherha
Grey, Finn. A. Cochrane, /lon. George Leslie. Geary, jam.
*ton, Archibald Dyer, William Young, --- Stewar, Js a
ri Pusenha, Charles White, and Ifferninersky, Emifs,
Then the late Baronet's, and Sir gamed Money P.itesey.,
Carriages, painted black. Thirty-throe Gamic:nab% Cprum
closed the Procession, which arrived at Wattatittuar
about uric o'clock.
The body was deposited in the femlly vault in the
South Cloister. The coffin was covered with Isis:l
velvet, superbly mounted with silver gilt claw,
nails, handles, cherubims, and the plate for thels.
scription. The funeral rites were perfonne.; by
the Rev. Mr. DEACON. After the interment, a cou.
sultation took place between the relatives of the de.
ceased Baronet, whether the coin should
raised, and the vault made deeper, as it was
inches from the surface; however, it was Maid
the depth was sufficient to lay the stoat, alga*
vault was finally closed. An immense timid
speaators attended the proceuion.

FROV LAST NIGHTS GAZETTE.

k RUF'TC Y SUPFASEDT:D.
Ifenry Jeffreys, 4 the town of Weymooth, in Ike creasy
of Dorset, luseu-drsper, dealer and cbapsnaa.

BANKRUPTS.
James Swann, of ILIAley, in the county of Leicester, ee,
tier, to surrender Jun.: 20, at one, 21, and pay 23, at e'erea,,
at tn.• hots. of Edward known the sign of tat
Genege, in WM:, aforesaid. Attorn t. %tr. Ilochard
tat Forbes, No. 8, . • ; and WV.
ward Mimic'', Hinkley, Leicestemh.re
John Dutchman the eltiet, of t:o. we and county of the
town of Kingston-o;astr Hull, sail maker, dealer and diapers,
rn iurretidzr July 2,3, a,d 23, at eleven, at the hour sf
Jima Jeffcryi, the Cof use, in Scarlearough, in the minty
of York. A t tomeya, M. Horgall, Han I and Meru. French
and Williams, Castle-street, • fulmars.
Christopher John•ma, stew or late of „neat Strambridge, le
the county of (:.sex, merchant, deer and chairman, is set-
render June 2n, 21, and July 23, at ten at th • housethis
Seahrook, the stln of ehe Angel, C.:Wehes•er, iu the sari
comity of Essex. Manners, Mr. Francis. Cok:hestet ; sal
Naylor, Great New:ret.street,
Richard Harrison, of 1441t0n l.a . • mid., in the pea of
Dean, to the comity of I.u.cafte, iiteiteopTr, 4alep sal
chapman, to surrender Jooe 17, 34 and .I.tly 23. at arsios
the 11011•0 of Mr. William Fasiker, , the Peek Mira., la du
Apple Nlarket, i, 11a.ntltester, in the (minty rid Lsoceste.
A townej hlesari. Kearsl,:e an ; Cald eel, in Ma: cheNtrr atm..
144, aul Mr. Ellie, eut•itaretteet, Londca.

DIVIDENDS.
Jig, 4. Letsis Isevy and J4ne.; Levy, mkaplue, tact.
lens, Whitechapel, in the eniivy of Mddletvg, ter n.cilk
manufaelmers, draie.s and chapnami, at re.l, at G...adoan, •
London.
July 6. William Grayson and Philip Shiro% of S. ;
in the county of Surrey, It JIJ aril mei luercnasits, at ts.ni, at
Guildhall, London.
Joly 6. Martin Walther Persent, of Little I!. 11-!esr, is
the elty of London, 11101"Cilttit, at on% et fahi,Ahalt.
July 6. Anguatirs Wiltam Badecker, of Little St. Helen's, at
the city of Loudon* 'merchant, at tan, at r:stildlivU.
July 3. John Sharpies end James Sharpies, of Andeo in, its
the county or Lio.rotc., mannfaSurcrs, st..alcrs and cea.-
men, at eleven, at the MK* Inn, in Little Bolton, in the
of Lancaster.
July 6. John l'homiseWebster, of the nigh-street, in the
Boronsli of Southwark, in the county of Sii-eq, Muter,
dealer and cliaprnan, at ten, at Guildhall, London.
July 5. William and John Puma, of Basinglsalloteen, ra
the city of Loudon. clothiers, at ten, at tkildhall.
Jury 23 JAM% Widdows, of Manchester, in the clients of
Lancaster, calenderer, dealer and chapni in, at three, at Ho
Pack Flume luu, in the Apple Market, sit Maw-krises
alottsaid. •
Jolt I. Jim Seethes's, the yourtg?r, late of Lancaster, /tithe
county of Lancaster, hqnsse merchant, at six, at the
flaunt of Tholllall Hodgson, the New Inn, in LiIiKJACI
July 5. James Roberts late of Ashford, in the county of
Kent, silversmith, deals and ehapmaii, at eleven, at o.eld•
hall, London.
July S. Philip Conti lon, of Lond..n, merchant, at tee, at
Guildhall.
July S. Anthony Garman and John lephson„ of the teenier
Nnthneharn, hosiers, cotton' sellers, deafen and chairmen,
at eleven, at the louse of Sarah Killer, the sign :d
Punch B. wl, in the town of Nottingham, aforesaid.
July 9. John Ryle, of the town and county of Nrocanies
upon Tyne, linen drawer, hosier, deals r, and chepretrf:t
eleven, at the house of :.(r. Charles turner, oinkeeyer, sr.
Newcastle-upon Tyne.
CERTIFICATFS—Jutr 2.
Arthur P .ttei4 of Duke street, AiOgate, London, *wain'
Burton,fehiehiel
John of New Court Fleet•market, in the city et
London, carpenter, dealer acrd chapattis.
Jams Rolrinson, the ybonge.. of L:verponl, I t the county
of Lancaster, merchant, &dor, dealer, an I thapmaii.
John Punic, of titi..mi6,li of Chippenhaiii, tit the county
of Wits, clothier,.
Bnr A ”---ThetelieingsioCourt of Aldermen yester-
day, the LORI) Nli'voa, after inspeCting tbeitctuturi
ordered k to rernstiit at its resent prier.

DEATH.
TottenLty morning, hot nntan tae hoe,* of fire and six &duel',
Me.. Western, of the Royal 11.4,11. rall.brialit ." awoke "
the hark v* and ru lulling iso and duce h stainof a tareanle,e .
I iivelog of het daughter's. M. WII.'"Z111 mos:, anti
Cie !emit :on going to Win Western's room fluor, Mil
nn the ground floor, they. found it het, and on teellel:
open, the was not there. They then followed Bye little
up stairs, 1111,) ICa their to A runin on the third floor, the yds-
doe of W:11::1 WAS (yell, and on tookol Ont. she/ rem,'"
Mel %I/Miter!) :ying 0.1 a nearly Jug hed in flit R.,7%1 Hite
viva the Prince of Wain'. gatgen, I.aTtng thrown Iserveli fie*
the window. She was stall alder, alhoelfh the hat tAllga ill
her heed, which wee sunk its the ground Mr. Taggeit 111 .*
tent for, who :awe her every fittmtbk ourstseca ; see .urrisof•
bieeding, a very few minutes. She we.; a very finis reth.g wee
elan, just twenty-two yeani old; and took • rent active part in
the latisine.s et her parents, of w.ltoet the Wit iii•asly child.... i
She had dte.sed her.?l( preparnaory to atto fate! erect. An In.
quoit was held—l:m..log, Landry. .
_:.

•
LONDON:—Prima by cEußTZtliAviosnm,
Wvch street, St. Clements, atu1.4,40,4•441 by •futirl
RIDER, et the Offi.e, N... 15, Keck of St, Clorne.ltni
Church, Strand, where Or,eri fife iteit PA.ser (rsillamil
be duly attended w.

ii. .4 the Hon. Verier;svie An.• .nl.' r- - —-j
--r
Mr. HILEY ADDING I'ON began wi
ser.i ig upon the serv;ces of the Noble Vil
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