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wee a very asisind owl wy„„iia se,
particularly the prowist, aid
is wasart. Seeing all this, be set *Sis.vitts.
mat
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theedbles doe existing situation of
found In the description ef ear wet Psi.
to represent to the mind's eye ass ef hie Oa
nations, and in lines exhibiting elemeneseiCigialPota alisuggs
than dame which constituted the Cabinet, 'be says—.
" To whom these mast aims,
Ile rules a moment: Chaos smOire aka,
And by decision mare embroils the fray
By which he reigns s" *rat him, high ,
Chance governs AL
Looking at the appropriateness adds siseeription, lie must say
thought that 'Oar the-Cabinet unit bow En for die *Pith W dim
the descriptions Inds use ef se it bid of plandrial kr,
matien et the Fromm& ejsztin end etas of
thingp, ap sera when
wad Nth& ghti
power Idea yes alio to of Zsbisentr:post=s. tbe
WW.
disesawer 4thmenee the
theses enemy existed in the seratry =dent to raise us
present Woad= be knew net, hot Wiped It did. It laid been
said of Wend, that " what wawa, weerebare else, was as two
if applied to Ireland." He moment,
was an exception to that obseirir&t,eset=is W eel
surprise that the present moment, when aid to
have returned to that country, and the inha-
bitants were beginning to subside into a calm, end all were
beginning to enable -Ireland to partake of the tide of ty
which was so abundantly Bowing through this kingdom, he Ina dis-
posed to wonder why thisjunoture should be the one theme re pro-
mulgate, through the Speech from the Throne, the necessity of
adopting measures of coercion, he might say oppression, Whist
that country. Ile could not disguise his surprise at such an eseur.
ranee as that the King should be advised to select this witiallat
time of acknowledged tranquillity and prosperity for the recommit.
dation of such measures. The Right Honourable the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had said, no Gentleman ventured upon a defence
of the Association. It was not usual for a man to defend what no
man attacked, and in the present instance it was not easy to discover
any thing which stood in need of a defence. The case the Right
Honourable Secretary for Ireland had attempted to make out against
the Association, weak as it was, had not stood a moment—it had
been shattered to atoms—and, as if it had not received a sufficient
refutation from that side of the House, his own friends had helped
to destroy it. The speech of the Member for Clare ( Mr.
Vesey Fitzgerald) to whom be felt obliged for the full ex-
pression of his honest and undisguised sentiments, had actu-
ally blown into the air the theories of the Honourable Se-
cretary. What did the lion. Member say? lie had mentioned a
ease which had been brought into Court through the means of the
Association, the conduct of which, and of their agent in the prose-
cution, had received the public and well-merited commendation of
the Bench itself. There was a great benefit likely to be rendered
by such prosecutions to the minds of the Catholice; they woldel bee
one means of bringing to the test many loose and general calum-
nies long prevalent in Dish society. It an individual were to in-
form another, lie had had his pocket picked in paesing through
St. Giles's, it would require no extraordinary degree of credulity
to believe him, without any one thinking it necessary to investigate
the particular facts of the case. Such was the prejudice that ex-
isted against that quarter of the metropolis. In lil:e manner many
things were taken for granted in Ireland, but it might be as well
that they should be inquired into ; if they were true, they should
be remedied—if calumnies, it would be necessary to refute them 7
in either case they should be brought to the test of a public leer
tigation. If any thing thing were necessary to prove the hoot-
of the Association, it would be their conduct in thus subniittint
the touchstone of open investigation, what had hitherto formed
miseries and the prejudices of Ireland. What would the Orange
Gentlemen of Ireland say. were he to calumniate them as the Atso-
ciation had been calumniated ? But in one word, the best way to
put an end to the Catholic Association, would be by holding out
the fairest prospect of conceding the Catholic Claims. Many Gen-
tlemen have expressed their opinion in favour of those claims,
though they determine to vote for the present Bill. The Right
Honourable Secretary for Fotelgn Affairs had declared himself
hostile to the Catholic Association, on the ground of its mischievous
effect upon the Catholic cause; lie had considered it as an incube
upon that cause, and would, therefore, put it down. What s
the House to think after such a statement ? %Vete the shades ,
Gloucester Lodge so deep 7 Was the Honourable Secretary see
ignorant of 'want was passing around, and really immersed
in such Cimmerian darkness, as to suppose that the Catho-
lic Association was not labouring fur the Caiholic caul
and identified with the Irish people? But, if he had et
former period expressed that opinion, it was to be hoped thfAte
tarpon-General had opened his eyes on the subject ; for he had stand
that it wss the sympathy existing between the Association and the
people at large, and the influence attempted to be exercised by that
body, that had roused the jealousy ul the Government in spite
their standing army, which he wield pronounce a disgrace to e
Constitutional principles of the realm. Government appeared
apprehend the Association would acquire a power paramount to
own in Ireland. But how are his Majesty's Ministers entitled
claim the concurrence of this House in their opinions on the in
jeer, unsupported as their opinions are by soy documentary ,
genre, when they themselves are not agreed among themselves
their own sentiments? lie submitted to the House that the present
was a measure affecting not Ireland alone, but England, and the
English Constitution. If the Association be unconstitutional
Ireland, it would be equally unconstitutional in England. But
the House should remember that this abused Association was not
implicated in the teas alleged. It should be borne in mind there
were two points to be considered ; the first, and the material one
was, whether the Association was illegal? another question he
been started, whether the acts of the body bed keen legal ? but
would submit that was not the subject-matter of consideration,
legal Association might commit illegal acts, and vice versa.
was persuaded the Association was not of an illegal nature, and ths
opinion bad been confirmed by the conduct of the Irish Attorney.
General, and the issue of it. tie ha.i attempted to fasten upon
dividusls attending the Association an illegal character, but
failed :—A Grand Jury had rejected his appeal, and ignored
bills presented against Mr. 0-Connell. This was a proof
Association did not violate the provisions of any existing
It was not the lionoureble Member's intention to say that ,
Attorney-General had acted improperly in sending the caw before
a Jury; but he would say, without fear of effectual contradiction,
the Association was not an illegal society. But the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman had said, no restraint upon liberty was conten
plated by the present measure. He will confine the people. but
will not Interfere with their liberty ; he will prevent them from e
pressing what is displeasing to him, but not meddle with their fres
dam of speech. lie (Sir Francis Burdett) could not understand
the meaning of the Honourable and Learned 31cmber's sophistry,
but must look upon the measure as the first step against genuine
constitutional liberty, and the unalienable rights of the subjects o
these realms. The Hon. Gent. had added another piece of informs
tion to the former : he had announced to the House that the mea-
sure was to be only a temporary one. lie hoped it would prove r
and that the Catholics would offer no opposition to the execution
the enactment; but if they did not possess a sounder discretion an
more temperate feeling than the Cabinet of the country, it woulc
prove otherwise, and the Act now before the House, if passed.
would have a successor worse than itself. He hoped and tzuste'
the wisdom of the Roman Catholics of Ireland would sive •"
country from the experience of such a crisis es would be likely t..
ensue. Hie Majesty's Attorney-General for Ireland had eulogised
the conduct of the Roman Catholic priesthood, and, he believed,
deservedly ; but how was that culogium to be reconciled with the
speeches of the Member for Derry and others, who held another
tone, and appeared to express whet he might be permitted to call
the Orange sense of things ? The sentiments of these gentlemen
had been totally contradictory to those of the Honourable and
Learned Mantes But he was disposed to placenevery cc a idence
his authority, particularly ui on such a subject. No authority ex.
Aced in that House which was entitled to more attention, or could
be said to rank so high. From his long experience of the
country, and official situation, lie must have it in his power
to speak decidedly upon such points. Ile must know what
ethers can only suspect, and must be acquainted with all '-
particulars of the facts he states. He (Mr. Plunkett)
borne honourable testimony to the conduct of the Roman
tholic clergy, and no doubt they deserved it. He (Sir Francis) I
disposed to give the lion. and Learned Gentleman credit
sincerity, and manly conduct in thus coming forward with
testimony on this
_;eCt. Ile was likewise inclined to admit 1
belief of the lion. Member's sincerity in his advocacy of
Catholic Claims. If he had ever entertained a doubt on the su
ject—and perhaps the ',earned Gentleman would pardon the exist.
ence of a daubs in his mind, when he recollected how he himself hail
at one period doubted the sincerity of his colleague (Mr. Canning)
on the same question—if he ever entertained a doubt, he repeated,
it was set at rest and resolved by the speech of the Hon. Member.
But he must be allowed to say, he felt more disposed to concur
with the Member for Galway, alto had stated his determination
oppose the proposed enscuuent, because he apprehended Its ei
fects upon the minds of his sensitive countrymen. He confessed
he thought such a view of the state of Ireland, and the possible
effects of the contemplated measure, much more statesmanlike
than the opinions entertained by the Attorney. General for Ireland.
We had already lost one colony by the ignorance ar.d infatuation
of a besotted Ministry. '4 had already been shorn of one of the
brightest ornaments of our crown by oppressive legislation • foe'
there was one evil greater than any other, which could befal
country, he considered the loss of America—the lopping off of
mighty linib of the empire, as the most to be deplored—tarnislim
Its reputation, and casting a shade upon the glories of the county..
But of ell the evils which we had already suffered--ef all the evils
which even could be brought into contemplation, from -lookiri
back at the many disastrous incidents which had befallen this cons•
try in the course of the late war, he would consider the loss of Ir
land to be the greatest, he would look upon all as a feather in
balance compared to it. (Cheers.) He would call to the remdlec
tion of the Learned Attorney-General fur Ireland en historical (-
which bore strongly upon our present circumstances. When -
great and mighty people, whose name will live in the recollectiot
of every age, when the Romans were contending with the Fidurate
in their endeavours to reduce every neighbouring nation under the
colonial yoke—when the indurates had revolted and been subdues'.
and when delegates had been sent to the Serge to deprecate the'
wrath, they were asked what punishment should to inflicted

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ex- to the following effect :-•
&Chi,. beyond the usual limits,
derable a confusion-that
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if the arisen from the length and
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on of but with a view to take the
tiered
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events 1 'tonally relating to myself, I
mhos . / en the attevion of the Hou
t was necessity, though at a late
les of
ry so indulgence with regard to
cried subjept of debate into four
atho- tion before the House, c
ac, i .
11ne. a If secondly, with regard to
tlAt, the Catholic Question ; t
gaud the Government; and fou
d the
r that itsPect to the existence o
ite of spirit of the Constitution,
o the t4erre has not been, so tar
ed tO =MTNe of the debate, any
to its
led to to apply a negative to t
enb, The question the House has
evi_
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as in
tetra to which that Speech c
resent .
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al in remedy, we shall now pros
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intr., sorely we =7 consider an
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f Ire 1 site have felt this, and th
in tit. , vain, to extricate the Auoci
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take
somuch
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unto , this- expression had not
er the
sad"tnthe English. (A tan.;
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