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HIS NIAJFSTY'S MESSAGZ.

Lord MULGRAVE moved the Or•fer of the
Du for taking Hi: Majesty's most gracious Mes•
tete into consideration; which, as well as the
*loge ie rpm, tion, being read ;
Lord MULGR AVE wid. that with tripe& us
dr Address, which he should have the honour
meting, on the occasion of His Majesty's Message,
le felt it unnecessary, at least in the first instance, t
mob!. thci. Lor .Ish.ps with any obser vat imm. 'I he
Address ha shotild propose did not tend to pledge
de thus,. to any specific line of proceeding, heyon
Mt which he was confident every one of their Lord-
Oias wentlJ wish to adopt on the occasion. The
Address, merely founded on the Message, would
'pr.:: tor itself, and to its suboance, h • thought, n
eiljeStien could possibly be made.
.At the same
time, he wished, in case any ohjellion should be
stair, it might be understood he was at liberty to
offer same o'nuservationt in their Lordships upon the
subjea. The Noble Secretary then moved an Ad-
dress to the following effe4: fo return the thanks of
he House to Hit Majesty for his most ;trachea alas.
mitt t land to assure His f•tajente. Oa: 1/'‘'
reedit) concur, in en thl..ig Ilia
Jetty to take due advantage of sties °ppm ttruttes as
may occur, and to fulfil such engagements as the
exigencies of affairs may require.
01 the question bring put :
The Earl of CARYSI Oler rose and said, that
the question then before the House involved those
pmpositiims, on which it had been his intention to
ha-s troubled 'II sir Lordships witb his sentiments.
In nterving upon the proceeding of yesterday, and
the question under consider ation that evenerg, he
weed bare to Call their Lomdships' attention to the
oiinmunicetion from the 'Throne, at the is:seeing ce
Inc Session; the proceedings adopted in conse-
quence, and the degree of confident expeCtatoio
which these cernmitnications necessarily excited.
The questi nose heroes: their Lair ships, nntwiili-
?landing the way in which the Noble Secretary
coed to treat it, was one of great and peculiar inn
eaece. He thought he was authoritatively found.
eXn asserting that the vote of credit, to which the
age and the Address evidently referred, was to
teeter extent than any proposed in similar ell-.
flumes, that ever appeared upon the records of
1 liameet. He was authorised to say, hec ruse it
publicly spoken of, that the provivon inteaded
w made, fsr enabling His Majesty's Amster: to
ptutue whatever line of conduft they should think
pri'..per, was no less than the enormous sum of live
althens ; an amount equal to the whole revenue of
many of the Potentates of the first rank in Europe.
At a proceeding of this kind, he was perfeetly
st esished. He would ask upon what grounds
*I sisters coull expeet so immense is sum to he con.
Jed to their disposal, without any knowledge on
his pert or Parliament, of any parzicular object they
ad its contemplation ; or without any intimation
•hatever being given, as to the political views, to
:tee their advice to His Majesty was to be direCted ?
w""lmlithed how the Noble Secretary of State
-fella imagine it possible that such a proceeding
:sup be ptssed over in silence in that House. In
Lee capacity of t.ereditary counsellors of the Crown,
tras Impossible they could so far forget all the
fees they owed to their Sovereign, as to remain
.nt on so extraordin.sey an occasion. They could
'Qs under such 4 ci• cuntstance, forbear to exercise
hat enneral superintendance over all the great con-
es, el the State, which was constitutionally vested
n their ; particularly watt) reference to an im.
(lean crisis in the history of the country, induced
y the improvident advice of those whom His Made..
had called to his councils; by those who had
'into given no probable pound of hope that the
ors GI the c sentry would he brought to a favour-
or happy issue. He had to condemn the gene-
"' 'nleM adopted by Ministers with reap eR to com-
21.1cations to P.rliament on the state of political
ars the advice of that grist council of the
ice
. be frequently taken, and communi-
cantainine true information respeEting the
item public affairs, ought frequently to be made.
'Me of• eondutt. Sounded Deem that plow
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bed been pursued, they would not now
le lament that the country was without
f7Zie Ally upon the enatineut of Europe,
tilt Mlllitiers, with sesped to forming a con-


nedion with Foreign Powers, had been for more
than six months perfectly inadive. If a different
line of contiud, from that adopted by His Majesty's
Ministev, had been followed, they should nut now
have to fear the effols of the preponderating power
and influence of France. They would see that
Foreign Powers, instead of resisting our solicitations,
and instead of keeping aloof, would court alliance
and connenion with Great Britain, and even them-
selves propose to confederate with it, in order to se-
cure a lastine peace to Europe, founded on the se-
curity and independence of every nation in it. But
the steps taken of hue years, on the part of this
cuuntry, were such ascended to produce effeds diame-
trically opposite; they had a tendency even to shake
the confidence of foreign powers in the conduit of
Great Britain; and certainly to overturh that wise
and vigorous system of our ancestors with respell
to their foreign policy. In discussing this import.
ant part of the subjed, he called their Lordships'
attention to the late treaty of peace, in consequence
of which, this country was entirely left by itself,
solely dependant on us own strength, and under
continual apprehension of invasion by a Continental
enemy. That measure, and the correspondent line
of condua pursued by His Majesty's Ministers, re-
duced th:s country to the necessity of maintaining
large internal military force, and entailed a great
additional ourthen uiron the people. It was impos.
more that we could long ad upon such a system ; it
was incompatible with the interests or security of a
country whose prosperity so mach depended upon
its commerce and the freedom of its constitution.—
With respett to thd occasion to which he had re-
cently adverted (the Treaty of Amiens), it was with
satislatlion he refieded that he had concurred with
some other Noble Lords, in declaring at that time
his cony:Chow relative to that inauspicious measure,
and of those consequences which must, of necessity,
result from it ; and weir Lordships could not bat
recoiled, that when the definitive treaty was under
consideration, the Ministers were not only distinctly
warned of the consequences of the measure, but ad-
vised to adopt a specific line of conduct, by which
that spirit or enc:o tchment, which, even at that vet y
time, was maiiiiested by France, might be cows:er-
oded ; and those pledges retained, by which the
enemy might be compelled, on their parts, to a due
execution of the treaty. Unfortunately for the
country, Ministers then thought proper to disregard
those warnings, and preferred to at in such a way,
as if the situation of Europe, and the conduCt of
France, were not such as roost not render it
necessary again to recur to force. The mea-
sure to which he adverted, could not be called
a treaty of peace; it was, in point of fad, 4
mere suspension of arms. The county y was arm
plunged in war, and it was a duty impose 4
upon that House to enquire with rem ^'f 44
,ystera of co:needing its and OS consider the pro"
bthilities under that system, of its being orought to
a safe and favourable is.ue. In this vie* of the
question, they would have to compare the present
situation of the country with that in which it 'toed
at the commencement of the war We were then
masters of every sea in the world, the united naval
lorcc of Europe could not asT with etia`t against us.
We had a force sufficient, as was stated by Minis-
ters, amply allikAeat tUr the defence of the country,
and they even boasted, that they had colieded to
arms, a body of men, constituting a military
force, superior to that of any country in the
wotld ; that its numbers, of all descriptions, ex-
ceeded eight hundred thousand men in arms. Let
their Lordships contrast that with the present state of
the cauotry, and it would be seen what a use Minis-
ters made of such extraordinary powers. With a
Naval force exceeding in number seven hundred
ships, the enemy's marine nut only received no blow,
but they were able to continue, without interi up-
tion, all their preparations for the invasion of the
country. In every respell were the enemy now
superior to us, not only in a military, but in a naval
point of view, and the country had reason th:s mo-
snent to tremble fur the safety of its foreign posses-
smas, particularly its western possessions; and the
security of its trading ships not so much depended
on the superiority of its marine as on the favourable
effects of chance, and the apparent hope txisteJ of A
renewal of those Continental connedions, on which
the interests and security of Great Britain aid Eu-
rope reciprocally depended. Their Lordships had no
information whether the Negotiations who Russia,
r with any other Continental Power, were with a
ieur to hostile operations, nor even whether any
appearances of a pacific disposition appeared on the
part of the enemy; but merely that the Sovereign
d d not di; ik himself enabled to snake a communi-
cation on the subjeft to the House. These serious
and important considerations, he chi ught, called
fur expociations on the part of Ministers. Their
c induCt in these instances, was widely different
terent that adopted by our ancestors; surd, il-
lustrating this, his Lordship particularly releired
to the communications made to PArllAMent, at
and subsequent to the period of forming the
grand alliance against France (Reign of ‘Villiarn
11l ). Some of these, with the answers, particularly
of the Commons, were voted by lus Lordship, who
frequently advised the Crown as to the preterable
line of consiud to be pursued. The happy and be-
neficial creels of such a mode of proceeding was, lie
contended, sufficiently apparent. Let their Lord-
ships, on the present occasion, follow these great
and patriotic examples of their ancestors. Let them
sn..w, by every means in their power, by their
language, and by their adions, their firm deter-
mination to give every support to His Majesty,
but in such a way as may be most conducive to
the great ends thef all had in view. Let them sheer
their determinetwo to secure the tall benefits of the

intraius;ile coustitution of the country. Let them
rem tuber, thu the King ot the United Kingdom
ot Great Britain and Leland WAS placed in A dtt-
t.:rent Atuation from that ot other ptentates in Eu-
rope. L.:: the general sense, spirit, and wishes of
his people be expressed to birn, by their cateKitu•

tior.al organ, the Parliament 0; these principles,
and under the convictions by which he was im-
pressed, he would beg leave to suggest an amend-
ment, the ultimate ohjed of which, however,was, that
of the proposed Address ; it would go to give His
Majesty the highest assurances of the follest sup-
port of that House; that they would not merely
concur in a vote for a limited sum, but to assure
him of their full and cordial assistance, in enabling
His Majesty to make the best advantage of say
opportunity that might arise. He should therefore
move to amend the M',tiun ter the A 'chess, by lea v-%
ing out a part of as °rig'', illy proposed, and in.
inaead thereof, a declitretion of tiie House to
the above effed ; the concluding rent of which in-
cluded a request in purport, that His Majesty would
be graciously pleased not to prnrogne Pis Parlia-
ment, until His Majesty should be enabled to corn-
municete more fully the state of his Negotiatieus
wit.: Freeigu Power.,
Oa this the question being put ;
Lord 1141.1 L( ;RAVE rose, and begged per-
mis.ion of the House to offer a few observations ; he
was not disposed to enter into a discussion of 'the far
greater number of the considerations adverted to
by the Noble F.arl who proposed the amendment,
as he was totally at a loss to conceive how most of
the observations made by him could apply to the
question before the House. So far from that ques-
tion involving any thing ',tending to separate this
Country from its connedions with the Coutinent,that
principle is expressedly recognised, and a disposi-
tion en the part of His Majesty to uphold that
system of conneftion ; inasmuch as the intimate con-
nedion between the interests and prosperity of his
dominions, with the security and independence of
Lampe, is expressed in tereis. A great part of the
Noble 11 irl's speech, h over et, turned on questions,
respeding the apelicetion ot the powers of the coun-
try, it means of defence and offence, and the ads
leged unfitness of His Majesty's present Ml:esters to
administer those means and powers, with honour fn
His neje' ty, or with safety end advantage to his
dominions. And, on those questions, as aris:ng nut
of the Noble Earl's speech, be begged leave to offer
a few remarks —First, with resped to the state of
military defence, the exertions ot Government, for
the last sixteen months, were such as, he was cone
fieent, would give satisfatlion to the House. Those,
he was suite, never had been exceeded, under similar
circumstences, in any country . whatever. Within
that period nu less th to 37,000 men have been added
to the disposable force of :he country. So that
at this moment our disposable force was at le sat cue
hundred and nireteen thousand men. With respect
to the provision made for the defence of our Colo-
Mel possessient, no less than seveuteen thotisand
men tetied been dispatched for their security.
isteetiie 01- teel Peru oftisis 'conip:dedwith
that et the enemy, was every was superior. The
number of ships actually in cemmission was no less
than ninety-one sail of the line. These were cc-
:teeny in service. The total amount of the ene-
my's naval force, from the best information
they could coiled, did nut exceed eighty-three
.hips of the line, including. Dutch, Spanish, and
Fre lei'. In addition to cur ships of the line, we
had in service twelve 'fty gun ships. Of that de-
scription of force, added to our ships ot the Inc,i•
we had a decided superiority, in point of number,
of at least twenty ships. We had still a greater
re ("onion of frigates. With this aggregate force,
we had every where acher and decided superiority;
and, until very lately, the whole of the enemy's
n teal Ince was closely blocked up in their ports.
On this point, their Lordships would of course con-
sider the impossibility of any G tvernment counting
upon that which depended on no human foresight
or power ; their inability to anticipate or to prevent
the changes and fludeatinns of ;teed' and weither,
and on which these kind of naval operations abso-
lut ljr depended. From the moment they heard sit
the escape of ss part of the enemy's naval force
from their ports, not an instant was lost in send-
ing detachments in pursuit of them. Under such
circumstances, it would be equally impossible for
any Government to obtain accurate information.
as to the deolnatioa of squadrons wh'eh had
so escaped. But he could fully assure their
Lordships, that under these circumstances, every
possible precaution had been taken on the part
of Government to countered and defeat the opera-
tions and efforts of the enemy. Wish respell to Cie
state of the negnietinns in vestion, he had to ob-
serve, that their aflual state rendered it improe
per to make a commulication to Parliament upon
them. In the Amendment projaned by the Noble
Eirl, a request was made to His Majesty that Pare
liament should not be prorogued unto such corn mu.
nication should be made to the House. With re,gard
to this, he would ask on what ground such a requiaie
tion was made? Did such a pradice obovn en ter-
mer occasions? Did it take place at any period of the
lite ostensive and eventful warfare? Certainly net.
With respell to the particular °Ned to which the
Address more imniedietely referred, it Will the ton.
form praftice in all the late wars, to come to a vote of
credit similar to that now proposed, to enable Go-
vernment to take advantage of such contingent cir-
cumstances as may arise, during the races, of Par-
liament. Under the existing cireitmstancee, the
Sovereign has not been able to make a direct corn.
munic.stion on the topics adverted to by Parliament.
He would submit to the House, whether it was
either constitutional or consistent with the practice
of Parliament, to interfere with the progress of
Negocietions, the condud of w!.ich was, by the
Constitution, exclusively in the Crown. His Majesty
would be advised by his confidential servants and
Ministers, when such a communication can properly
be maee ; and he would therefore put it to the
House, whether at the present moment, and under
the existing circumstances, they would not put the
same degree of confidence in Ministers, which, on
similar occasions, they had formerly done?
After the Noble Secretary had concluded, a pause
for two or three ininster took ELice, and no Peer

shewed a disposition to speak. At length I
Lord HAWK/Iei:BURY rose and observe', he
felt it his duty: on the present occasion, to sewn n
by every argument in his power, w'oat had fallen
from his Nerble Colleagne. Without entering into
a minute detail of the objeetions of the Noble Earl,
he cull not allow cenein of his allusions to pass il
without melting some • onservations upon th-M.
Fest, upon the expediency and advantage of Co ni-
nental connections, unen weich point so much had
been said, no Pear in hit Howse, lie believed,
entertaieed the smallest differeace of opinion. Mi.
nssros always Pfaunl it the interest of the country,
an.l always 'telt it their duty to attract to the relative
state of the Continent. and endeaenuree to preeeve
that degree of conneetien with foreign powers, weiels
it was of the utmost itepor .'ere to the interests Of
the country to keep up. Tee: this principle we:
meetly (rope if; vies?, are! deer asserted, he 0(.41
refer ereteseefiscesiinin which took pl ice GII ['LC tete
Preliminary and Definitive Treaties of 7:;4c7. :din,
he mast observe, long before these tree:ice, ':ad the
fate of the Continent been decided -he allu tt 1 to
the provisions of the Tr-sty of Lunevek. After
teat measure, with a view to our own pei tit:4er
interest, and even to the relative sits i .ts11!.(11 a of
the powers on the Confiner, it was thouget more
expe..fient to husband our resources, Oats to con-
tinue the struggle alone, in which, if this c-suatry
had persisted, it would be to bee engaged single
handed with the enemy, without first try e.g tee ex-
periment of peace. He would state eiseeet:y, that
the principles upon which the Foray of A:nitre
proceeded. were not only theen whit i were best for ri
the interest ''t this country, but for those of the
eontir.ent of Europe. Ever since th it period,
he contended there was no oeportunite kid .
whatever, of forming a beneficial coenection with i
Foreign Powers ; bet the Circumstances uojer t
which, and the reasons why such en :savours -.rid
not succeed, formed entirely distinct questions ; hoe
the °llea had been connetitly pursued, and no
ground existed for kap:sting blame in that reseed
to the conittet of His Mei 'sty's Government.—
The question now before their Lordships nee, be re-
solved into a narrow compass. In the or. ion of
His Majesty, considering tee season of the yenr.
and the state of the public, it was prop..es• spin lily
to put an end to the sessi sr. of Parnement. le ',es
vitw, the usual vote of et:de wes proposed, Ape '
which, in due coarse, teetild come befnre 1144
Loniships, to be decided ors. But it seetned
&lie:firms wee iii.ele not, ..so much Eon what the
Message did creltain. as fhr what it did not cone
fain. Heweverein point of feet, there %V. 41 11:10%i.
in the Address which at .:di militated event tl r
pr:.tciples whichi the Noble lend so srroegly
erne! ino tee gis tats onnete-thefte Coe ..r '°' 1 . .
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then whet the ome recognised, and uy its
repeatedly seta end. Indeed, both the Messer
and the Aldress
Majesty,
aduelly Put of the Speech
delivered by His on the first day of the
present Session. and from the corms.. 'tiding Ad-
dress voted by the I louse—they were, therefore, net
called upon to aecedesce Unite- any riecesles. nut
those they admitted on the-first Joy et see Setsien ;
in illustratinn of which, the Neble Secretary read a
part of the Address alluded to, and which earticue
ialrir referred to the passing coinnosieceriens be-
tween His Majesty and the -Einpeeer ei ftussia.-e
The negociatinas which steisequently took piece
had nu: yet been hi-might to rest point in witicie
His Majesty could mete a regularly Parliamen-
tary
communication, Was there any thing in
that consideration, not arising out of the constie
tntion of this country,. or out of ete preCtice
or Parliament ? Did it imply blame to Govern•
meat, because the rate of negociations was sot
laid before Parliament before they had C"1111e so
some re,uh ? He did not mean to deny there might I
exist some particular Cat's there i: nr-y be the
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dot? of PsrlillTP At to tail for the state 4 !ter- i.e.
tions while pending. But, he believed, it was the
generally understood praelice of the House, more
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especially of late year, and generelly admitted,
that to communicate negotiations while pending
would be to ti estrus their objet„ to be proetterte
of no real benefit ; and lastly, to exoeerate M'nis-
ten from that respoesihility which otherwise they
would bear. The question before the House was by
no means one iif principle, it was solely a question of
discretien : under a principle generally .I.lrnittesethey
might sureiy decide Upon that which migln be tieing
the interests of 'he cottony, without weition Le ties
issue of Nerciitions ; mere especieity oa a qa.ne
tion not invelying arty prineiple, but merely its ap. ...
plication. Under all the circumstances of the case. '
he could see no sold reason whatever, fur to ti
the Amendment. Ihe Address, as hi, 'Noble
Fiend had well steted, pledged the House to no-
thing, but Ivied thee all cencurted in, namely.
i
to support His Majesty; and even that did, not
pledge them ere point beyond :h-ir Address nn the
first day of the Session. lie saw nu good vetoed foe
voting tor the Amendment; thereture ee sheald
resist its adoption.
The Earl of CARLISLE shserved, that in de.
cidir.g on the question: eerier t- ten, enir Lordships
ought seriously to consider the red situation • 1 the
Country. erhey should bear in mini einticeeely.
the coneue of His Mejesty's Ministers, what lspes. s
what expeeetiens, the y had repeatedly held out
—how these had been fulfill et, and from th mcorn-
parison to decide upon the degree of confidence (it
any then they deserved), which should now be placed
is them. On this heed he would observe. that the
confidence of the people of this country did not de-
pend upon what was promised. but upon what was
performed. lie would, therefore, ask, has any one
thing been &tie of all that Ministers had promised,
nr of all the exssieetions they held out. has any
one been realised' Let their Lordeli s look every
where, and he would ask, is not to situation of
the country netch worse than it was at the end
of the last session of Parliament ? Let them ios.k
to the state of tile Army, and the operations of
the Navy in all parts of the worts!, and ace what
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rad been done that warranted Administration
-till to call upon that House for its confidence.—
l'he Noble Secretary of State said, we had in
Commission eighty-three ships of the Line ; but
did he tell of the augmentations lately mate
to the British Navy ? It had been truly sraied
on a former occasion, with sorrow and relui9ance
he mentioned it 3 but the augmentations made to the
Navy, to cope with the United fleets of France and
Spain, had been precisely three ships of the Line !
He differed from Ministers as to the impropriety of
communicating the state of the Negotiations to
Parliament. These should be Made, if they could
at all be done with safety. If these were of a satis-
faCtory et favourable nature, ,uch should be made
known to the country. If unfavourable, there would
bean end to all delusive hopes and expedations on
that head ; and the country would thereby he pre-
pared for the one, of two, certainly dreadful alterna-
tives; to chuse between the considerations, whether
they would throw aside all thoughts of continental
connedions, and treat for a separate peace, or he
obliged to follow the war single handed. He had
not heard any argument to prove the ill conse-
quences that would result from communication ; on
the contrary, the reasons, he thought, operated the
other way. There were, however, some very im
portant facts, which he could not avoid adverting to'
Such a circumstance as that he alluded to. never,
he believed, occurred before ; that with so large a
naval force as we were known to possess, a large
squadron of the enemy should have notoriously put
to sea, and sailed, but whither, neither His Ma-
jesty's Ministers, eor the public, were in pos-
session of the least intelligence. This was cer-
tainly a most extraordinary circumstance ; but he
hcpe.d the House would receive some information
on that head from the Noble Lord (Barham) at the
head of the Marine Department, whom he now,
for the first time, saw in his place. Were there na
ether reason than these naval operations of the enemy,
and the dismay and uncertainty that prevailed on
that he-J, he thought it would be a sufficient ground
for decaying the prorogation of Parliament. There
was still another, -.hough a very different reason why
Ministers were not rcev entitled to call on the House
for its confidence, namely, the generally understood
distraded state of His Majesty's cabinet: their
quarrels and dissections distraded their delibera-
tions, and drove to clashing and contrary resolu-
tions, whether for peace, war, or negotiation. It
was well knownthat lionaparte was overrunning with
a powerful army Italy from one end to the other,
while our Ministers were agitated in this manner.
While these were engaged in quarrels and disputes
who should go out, the Rochefort squadron got out
of its place, and the Toulon beet ha I sailed upon its
destination. Their Lordships, instead of consider-
ing such a question as that before them, ought to
be, in a constitutional manner. addressing the So-
vereign to give a proper Administration to the
country.
The Earl of CAMDEN entered into a statement
of the addition, which had been made to the Army
and Navy since January 1804 ; 87,00 men, he said,
!had been added to the former, and seventeen sail of
in
.helix to thalatter. He then mad some observations
on the circumstance of the Frenc fleets being at sea,
Which he said did not prove any left on the part
of the Government; and concluded by saying, that
as he saw no grounds, he would not agree to the
Amendment.
The Earl of DARNLEY denied that any addi-
tion had been made to the aftual force of the coun-
try, though there might be some to the disposeable
force, on account of the drafts from the Militia. Ile
then argued that the government was inefficient,
and challenged the Minister to say where the com-
bined fleets were, or whether Russia would enter
into an alliance. His Lordship concluded by ex-
pressing his deter mination to vote for the Amend-
ment.

T.tble.

The Earl of WESTMORLAND thought that
the amendment proposed infringed on the pi ero-
gat:ve of the Crown, as it recorred that their Lord-
ships should sit, in raft, as long as they thought
proper; be therefore would oppose it.
Earl SPENCER objetted to the Address, as,
though it was usual to grant a vote of credit at the
latter end of the Sessions; yet, under the present
circumstances, he thought they should be informed
how matters were; nor could he consent to give so
large a sum into the hands of His Majesty's Minis-
ters, us he did not feel sufficient confidence in their
Government.
Lord HARROWBY expressed his disapproba-
tion of the amendment, and said he would much
rather at once hear a motion for the removal of His
Majesty's Ministers.
The Earl of CA aNARVON adverted to the
speech delivered from the throne, and said, we were
tin better now than we were six months ago. He
did not like the vote of credit, as it was a mist un-
exampled thing to allow the Minister to keep the
public purse.
Viscount SIDMOUTH took a general view of
the case. He said that the sum was not so great as
it had been stated, considering that no less than
twenty millions had been added to the revenue with-
in 25 months. Ile then entered at large into the
state of the Army, and regretted that his system of
raising men for tank had not been approved of by
those, for whose opinion lie had the greatest respell.
His Lordship concluded with saying, that he must
vote against the Amendment.
Lord HOLLAND spoke in favour of the Amend-
ment.
Earl of CA RYSFO:IT explained.
Lord Gittsvmxt and the LORD CHANCTLLOa
spoke at cca..iderable length, the former fur the
amendment, and the latter against it.
The Earl of CAMDEN, the Earl of C•it time,
Lord GRENVILLZ, and the Loan CuancstLua,
severally expLiined.
The PRINCE of WALES stated, that he was
prevented from rising earlier in the debate, in ex-
prctation of seeing a Noble Friend of his, who he
new intended to deliver his sentiments and vote in
Lwow of the Amendment; and perhaps he would
have given his opinion, at length, on the same side
of the Notate Lord who sat SWAT him (Lord Gren-
ville).
The Hobse then divided, and there appeared,
vor the Ueginal Motion, present, ti, —Proxies 44
'otal I 11.

igainst it, present 3(l—Proxies 22—Total 58-
in, icy for the original Motion hi,
lcliu,araell at IWO o'Cloct.

HOUSE OF COMMONS •
A message Pon. tae Lank informer' the House, that
Lordships hail agrucil to the Irish Election Regulation Bill, and
several Bead Kills.
The Bill fiir the Exportation of Wool from the British Plan-
, ill America to the United Kipgiluai., was read a first
•, and ordered to be read a second time to morrow.
Toe East India Woollen Goo Is Repeal Duty B 11, and Mr
Pitt's Indemnity Rill Waft severally read a second time, and ur-

d .red to be committed to morrow.
Mr. It RistovvE a.temled at the Wir, with the Annual Ac..
count. of the 'lnvitees of Ramsgate Harbour.
Ihe Loyal.v Loan Bill, the Army Commissary's Motake
B.ll,and the Crinan Canal Bill, were sevetally read a third time

and pas:erl.
Upon •t se Motion of Mr. STURGES BOURNE, the thi-
ther coati krati n of the Report of the C•ininittee upon the
Southern WU, F shell Bill was deferred till to-morrow.
The R the Committee on the Duties on Straw Pratt,
was pot-o e‘l till Mo-day.
Ota Mo ion • f Lo.d ARCHIBALI) HAMILTON, the Re-
port of the Con.tnittee on the Coru Bill was defereed till to

morrow.
Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Com•
mittee of W.1,V% and Meals,orhich was read and agteed to.
The Report of the Committee on the Seamen's Bill was or-

derM t be received In-morrow%
Upon Motion of Mr. sTu R GESS BOITR NE, the Order of
the Day for taking into consideratiran the Petition complaining
of a endive Eletion for the County of Middlesex was dis-
charged, and a new Order fined for Monday next.
The House retnlvell itself into a Committee upon the Dir.

tillers A Is. The Report was received, and leave given to
►rind in a Bill Cirdistilliug Spirits for expectation to Scotland,

and -from tl isnce elsewhere. -
Mr. rETKR MOORE presented a Petition from certain
Clothiers of the Counties 4 York, S.lleli,i, Writs, and
Gloarthter, against the Woollen Manufadurers Suspension
Bill, which was o.dvr,:d to lie on the tab!e.
Upon the Inc/tint' for the second reading of the Woollen
Manwafturns• Suspension Bill, ,umir conversation took plac,,
between Admiral Markham, Mr. Broolo, and Mr. Peter
Moore, when the lattvt Gentlemen declared their intention of

oppuatog this 11.11 Hi it, tutor, Iw:wrest.
The bill was then read a se,:oad time, and vtd,red to be

COOT 71ittft1 tomorrow.

Mr PETER MOCRE snored for fuse for Counsel to be
heard at the littr, on behalf of the Petitioners in the above
petitio t: upon receipt of the Report of the Committee thereon.

esL
Th: House w-nt into Committee mon the Land Tax
Re itmption Bill, and the Report ordered to be received to-
/110f . -

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Mr. FOSTER broug'it up au Account of the Expeediturcs
pawl to persons in Office in Archand, extraordinary ter-
•.cei for the year 180. i, which was ordered to lie on the

The noise went into a Committee upon the Irish Civil
List Bill ; ant after some amendments proposed by Mr. Van-
satin. and a convert -man between Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Fader,
and S r John Newport, the Report was ordered us be receited
to morrow. _ _

Mr. HUSICISSON brought up an account of all the Pen-
sions and Balances in the Escherrier, which was ordered tu lie
on the table. . .

Lord HENRY PETTY roe, and sad, it was not his inten-
tiuit to trouble the limos with any motion upon this subject,
dining the present Semen, as he had miginally 'mated to
the House; but that he should take an opportunity of doing
go, r.trly ill the next Seteioni He that mowed, that the
Papas lie }whited. which was eidereil accordingly.
Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Repo t of the Com-
mittee of Supply. The several Re...lotion' were react and
agreed to, and a Bill ordered to be brought in. putivaut
thereto. _ _

A Message from the i.ords ieformel the flo, s., that their
Lord:ltOss had agseed to the Lottery 8.11,, the Spanish Red
%Vine Duty Bill, the English Militia Cloatlaing, and the Irish
Mdntia Clostliing Bills, the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry
Rill. the Subahern Militia ()Meets Allowance Bill, the Sad
Cloth Bill, the Militia Adjutants and Serieant Majors Bill, mil
the Bill I.e budding a Bridge over the River A wnn.
NO. PAUL postponed his esotiou is:spatting the OlahoS of
Dude until Tuesday next.

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