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ime their trade without this state of ineonvenienee. The
other miseies to which I hey were rarisest would lw fosinti
detailed rthe evidence. of which, Ir .p..ever, lie wi.,11.1 say,
that it was not as copious nor its ilOg•tc1111 yas moot 11.0,4
hero expected from the length of time devoted to collect it,
for flour were examine:l before the Committee hut persons
who were anxious advocates or opponents or this measisre.
In some points, therefore, they widely differed, hut in some
also they melee', and in nothing more material thou this,
that ell persons seemed to think some lezislative taterferecee
was necessary. To prove 11w practicability of the abolition,
the Noble Lord reed some eatracts from the Report of the
Gentlemen, Colonel Stevens and Mr. Davis, front the Board
of Works who had been rugged in making experiments to
ascertain how far the use of machinery might ad
opttil
with safety in the sweeping of chimnies, and from
this Report it appeared that not more than ten in
a thousand shimmies offered serious obstacles to the
employment of machinery. These chirnaies were to be
found only in large mansions and public hoildisici, and even
of these, there were sorne which it was impossible to cleanse
even Hy MMUS of climbing boys, and which tlwiefure it was
(wished to have altered. There was no Jiff:coley whatever
in sweeping the cliimmes of the houses iishalkited by the
middle sad lower orders of society. He was not bare what
objections would be brought 'roost this Hill, but he
thought if they related to the impoltry of the measure as one
of prevent application, they would be obviated by a clause in
the Bill, which suspended the operation of the law until after
the lst of May, Mo. He should not trot;ble their Lord-
ships at any greater length, but move the second reading of
the Bill.
The Earl of LAVDERDALT lamented the necessity under
which hs found himself of objecting to the measure now be-
fore the Howie; but on a subject which appeared iu no
slight degree to affect the safety of the capital, and the other
great towns of the empire, he could nut withhold the expres-
sion of his sentiments respecting it.He
thought it gene-
rall an unwise mid damtermis policy to inter(' re ill, the
privay te concerns of individuals, anti argoed, from the results
of the experiment that had been mule by the ()Hikers of the
Board of Works, that in the ;neatest instance etch an inter.
fernier would be attended with very etrusiderabie danger.
He had also an ohjection to the Bill, founded on that whit
it
the Noble Lord had consitkred a cause of praise. He slid
not approve of the prospective nature uf the measure, for to
his mind every such act of legtelatino was, to say the least of
it, an act of impertinence.—(A iawsok.)—lt was setting op
the opinion of the present day as stiperitir to that or what
was to .irome, and arrogating a right of coutrulling those
who were to come after us. If the Bill were not to come
into action for two yews, why may not the Rotor intrirst
the measure to the justice, policy, and humanity of the
House two years hence, WWII, tf circurostaue• s rendered
h a measure expedient sod safe, there could he no doubt
it would be ailcpted! He utpierved, that of late yes's, when
young men got into Parliament, they basteised to propose
some novelty in legislatiou, whereby they sought to obtain
a name; but such a practice wield to he discutintenaticed
as injurious to society, if pot disgraceful to the tvgislative
character of the country. It would shortly be proposed to
set up a code of morality for measotring metes actions, and
regulating the affairs of society by the standard of a ntorlpid
feeling of humanity. He, however, could amain the Noble
Lord, that if, in two years time, he could viten' him that his
plan of machinery Could be adopted with perfect safety, he
should vote for him; but he at the same lime could not
approve the priori le of compelling' the use of maclsieery in
this country, in opp anion to booty( labour. For the pie-
sent he should oppose the Bill.
Earl GRo3VESOR supported the Bull, sad thought that,
if the measure was proper to he adopted, it should now re.
ceive the sanction of Parliament; for, if two years were
suffered to elapse, Parliament might then suppose that it
hail been postponed as injudicious and impolitic. Possibly
he might, in supporting the peeled Bill, be accused of in-
consistency, haviug appeared to adopt • different course
with regard to the children employed in cotton facpirics ; but
the cases, he thought, were esseistielly different. lit that of
the climbing-boys, actual inhumanity was practised, but in
that of the cotton•spinners, though no objection of that
nature was made, and their employment, however injurious
it might eventually prove to healt)r, was out atom/Kumd by
positive cruelty.
The Earl of HARlitc)Willr s oke in favour of the p
Bill, and dented that in such a ease there was any im-
proper interference in the cosier. us of individuals.—
These unhappy children were nut in a condition to
protect themselves, and it became the ditty of the Le.
gislatute to shield them from injury. There -,vas no
necessity to establish what the Noble Ear) (Lauderdale)
called a code of morality, but it might be expedient to
prevent the (li-couture of cruelty whenever it could be ef-
fected with safety. To chew the practicability of the mea-
sure, lie referred to the statemeut contained in the Report
from the Board of Wolk*, and remarked that in sFottand
climbing boys were very little used, and yet that fires nee
not more frequent there than its Englauil. Au objection
had been urged that the purging of chitnuies might be In-
jured by the use of machinery, bust no example of such an
effect hail been produced, nor that tires had occurred more
frequently in chininies swept by machinery than y c
blimb-
iug boys. The abionce uf evidence to these points might
almost he considered as conclusive against such aiisertiuns.
In the Fill there were some points which reciiiired expla-
nation and amendment, but this might i.e done in the

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tared Mumma said, lie could not give a silent sqqa
Ibis subject, but he should ronfisie his observations 10 this
point, that in the Report horn the Board of Work. a cer-
tain danger was to be apprehended from the sodden and
total abolition of the use of choshing boys. While any
danger was to he apprehended, lie did not think they shoe
justified in trying such experiments in legislation.
Lord Aucgt4ND briefly replied; after which the Hoose
divided—
For the second reading l7
Against it

Majority
The Bill was read a second time, and ordered to he torn•
milled.
The House then adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, MovD4x, Macon 8.

WOOTTON ILISNET ELECTION.
Sir J, STIW ART hivls alit gip the Keport of the CUITIIIIIIOO,
to whom it was refrrrid to consider of the Petition of Col.
Wray and Mr. Horace Twist.. alienist Me election of I
Ellison and Mr. Money fur the borough of Wootton Basset.
The Committee were of opi 1111 l n, that the sitting Members
pre duly elected, and that the Ettitiou was nut frivolous
or vexatious. They also reported, that Martha Stunt and
Sarah Greenaway, two persons now in custody of the Ser.
jeant.at-drins, for refusing to appear before the Committee,
bad erred through ignorance, and riot from my want de.
sign to treat the House with disrespect; and theiefore sag.
rested, that the said Martha Stout and Strati Greenaway,
be discharged out of custody, without paying fees, as they
were persons in a very indigent situation.
• Ott the motion of Sir J.Srevreare, they were dipeharsed
tatcordingly.
BORQVGH OF FOW FY. •
The Depots Clerk of the Crown attended, pursuant to or.
4.cr, and amended the return of Members to serve iq
Parha-
meta for Ilse mid Borough, by eloping the names of Gem ge
Lacy, Esq. and she Hon. J. H. Stanhoped, and inser
Yisctiuwinglt Vlhose
of Alexasultv Glynn Ciippbetl, sq . an Lord al-
!Hurt.
On the motion of M,. W. Moses, a now writ v.° or-
dered for a Member to serve in Parlisnwet ,Torogo rug
.ot Frkey, is Amp of Lard Vaamot Yalkls dtegOg4.