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ALE HOUSE LICENSES BILL.

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On the 'notion of Lord evort.esto,their Lord-
ships resolved themselves into a Coteseirielf eft the
above Bill. .• .
Earl BAvnuasv objected to the clause which
transferred the right 'if refusing tionele!feest the
Misistrates to the Quarter Sessions. •
Their Lordships divided, when there appeared for
the clause—
Contents
Nun conleuls
Majority L 9
The other clauses were then agreed to, and the
Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
'l'lie Fees of Courts' Bill and the Annuities
Memorial Bill went through a Committer,
Arljouri.ed.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MONtOAY, JULY 15.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the anal hoar, and
immediately after was summoned so She Home of Lords,
to hear the Royal Anent gives by Comeaiosioa to a ■sober
of public and private Bills (foe which see Lord.' report).
BEER RETAIL BILL.

Mr. LUSRINGTON pretested a Petition from the Pub.
Ikons and Yuctuatkrs of Canterbury, praying that She leer
Retail Bill might not puin into a law.-. Laid on the table.
Mr. URE promoted similar Petitiowa from Welossintb
and Dorchester —Laid on the table.
Mr. MARRYATT presented similar Petitions from
Sandwich and IPeal.—Laid on the table.
Mr. BUDYERWORTH presented three Petitions to the
same effect: owe from the publicans of Reading. the oilers
from Gloucester nod Berkshire.—Laid ou the table.

Mr. BLACKBURN F. presenteder;erafietii;r; to the
some effort from Maaehester and other plates ia Lancashire.
—Laid on the table.
Mr. BY NGI iseeseated einadar Petitiosse from the Palilimn
of Twickenham and Hammersmith,—Laid on the table.

Mr. BERNAL presented a similar Petiti•n from the
Pohkeitim of the Oamaty of Rettt.—Laid on the table.
Sir WILLIAM ROWLEY presented • similar Petition
from the Comply el Saffolit —Laid on the table.

Mr. BERNAL peeseute4 two Petitions to the lame dire
from Dartmouth, _ _

The Green Mail Fishery Bill west through a Committee.—
Tire Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
The East India Sager Bill went through a Committee.—
The Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
SMUGGLERS.
Mr. BF.NETT (Wiltshire) preseuted a Petitlos from
fire individuals confined in the gaol of Yarmouth. They
complained that they had been seized by the captaia of •a
Eaglish cruiser, sad carried to Yarmouth gaol, althoneh
their trawl carried Deitch colour*, and they coosiderrd such
a practice contrary lb the laws of oations.—Laid on the wide.
Dr. LUSH INGTON stated, such an act as represented
in the Petition was • violation of the laws of the twirl, lad
even if a law sanctioning that praetice bad been peened by
the Legielatore, it would have been an infractios of the laws
of patrons. He, therefore. considered these Individuals un-
lawfully Imprisoned.
The Mari-sis ef LONDONDERRY said these Individuals
should resort to the ordiusry tribunals of the country, before
they applied to Parliament. In answer to a question put as
a former eveuilig by as HODOU rable tad Leotard Geotkimas
4sppseite (Sir James Mackintosh), he wished to slate, that
be bed 'squired lots lie trassactios restive to the detestion
of the.Lerel• Cw/Ifarsood. He bad suede as applies tie.
to ear Mil hder at Madrid, cud be stated that the Court of
Spain did not essietion soy law which duet IMAM fibs do-
troilism dif the vessel. .. • sr
Sir J. UACILINTOSH said be was sore digits ismer

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of the liable Loll most be saradaelory to all persons eon.
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GREECE AND TURKEY.
Sir .1. Mactiavoin said he 'held in his hand 'a
Petition, which, although it was the first which
had been presented to the House, could not fail of
receiving due consideration. t was a Petition
couched in very decorous, although in very warm
language ; in such language, indeed, as the nature
of the subject suggested. It was a Petition from
certain inhabitants of the county of Lancaster,
complaining of "the inhuman messacre of our Chris-
tian brethren, the Greeks, by the bloody barbarians,
the Turks." He was sure that the opinions of the
people would have been manifested at a more early
period, but for the difficulty which was felt as to
the possibility of adopting some measure of relief.
He was ready to admit that there never was a mo-
ment when soy violation of general tranquillity
would be a greater calamity to this country. But
he had no doubt that if • simultaneous effort of
the different powers in Europe was made, the evil
would be averted. What the disposition of these
cabinets might be, he was not sufficiently Sc.
cpiaiitted with the secrets of their policy to be
able to state ; but this he could say, that it would
be honourable to the British Government, and of the
national character, even to fail iu the attempt.--
(Cheers.)
Mr. Hume wished to take that opportunity of
asking the Noble Marquis, whether there were any
truth in a statement now very generally circulated,
namely, that some of the unfortunate Greek. were
refused, at the instance of the British Government,
admission into the lonian Islands, where they fled
for protection from their murderers ? and he also
wished to know why a Turkish frigate, now fitting
up
at Deptford. and preparing to take out warlike
implements, to Turkey, should not come within the
provisions of the Foreign Enlistment Bill
Mr. WILMOT said, he was quite unaware that
•ny measure had been adopted by the Government
of the lonian Islands to deny admission to the
Greeks ; but at the same time he was not prepared
to say that they would be allowed to flock over
there in numbers, and remain there. However,
there could be no truth in the statement that they
were excluded from motives of inhumanity. With
respect to the secoud question, his Honourable
Friend (Mr. Croker) who was not now in his place,
would be the moat competent person to give an
answer.

The Hon. C. HUTCIIINSOW said he could not
allow that opportunity to pass, Without expressing
' his astonishment that some steps were not taken to
stop the murder of the Greeks in Europe. He
should certainly at all times consider war as one of
the greatest calamities, except when peace could
only be maintained on dishonourable terms. He
was ready to give his Majesty's Ministers the fullest
credit for their exertions et Constantinople to pre-
serve peace between Russia and Turkey ; but if
the objects of these negotiations were only to en-
able one 'Power to commit what havoc she pleased,
and effect the entire destruction of the Greeks, he
had no hesitation to proclaim them disgraceful and
anti-ebristian.—(Hear, hear.)—He therefore culled
upon the House not to consent to any prorogation
until his Majesty's Government stated kitty upon
their honour, as British subjects and Brittab Mi-
nisters, whether by the arrangement made between
Russia and Turkey any security had been agreed
on to preserve the oppressed and unfortunate
Greeks from general massacre. If they bad not,
their conduct would merit ■nd must receive the
execration of posterity.—(Hear, hear, hear.)....
He well knew, that in the present suffering condi-
tion of the country, the man who raised his voice
for war within these walls would be regarded with
horror ; but lie would tell the people of England,
suffering and aggrieved` as they were, that the
maintenance of peace was neither secure nor
honourable. To his Majesty's Ministers he appeal-
ed not, for he knew their councils were leagued
with diode of the Continent l but be would ask an
Hon. Gentleman whom he 11101 opposite, and he
would appeal to the good, and the learned, and en-
lightened like him, whether they could expect the
blessings of Providence whilst such transactions
were allowed to pass with impunity.—(flesr, hear.)
He sincerely trusted that the emulate of these Peti-
tioners would be generally followed, and that the
table would soon be covered with Petitions, in or-
der to rouse Parliament from their unbecoming
lethargy, and atop the effusion of human blood.--
(Cheers.)
Mr. WlLsmonce slid, that no man sympa-
thised more fully than he did with the sufferings of
the Greeks, and none was more deeply impressed
with the necessity of making some effort to put a
stop to them ; and although he felt that to engage
in war was not the line of policy which this country
shonld pursue, yet he knew of no cause in which
the British nation could be more honourably en.
gaged than in 'support of that most oppressed ua.
sou.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord LONDONDERRY said it must be obvious to
every one that this wus a very improper moment for
entering upon the discussion of a question of such
vast extent and importance. It really was marvel-
lous how the lovers of prase did sometimes advocate
doctrines and opinions, which, if adopted, most ne-
cessarily lead to a most disastrous and sanguinary)
war. The Hon:Gentleman opposite (Mr.lluichinson)
had done extreme inj uetice to the EnglishGoveroment
if he supposed that Ih•ir efforts were merely directed
to preserve peace between Russia and Turkey. But
would it be politic for England to take op arms to
administer justice between theTui ka and the Greeks?
As far as counsel could go to give to these sad trans-
actions a tone of humatie sod liberal warfare, lie
could assure the House that the Government of this
country have tint been beck ward, and their efforts had
been seconded by the other great Powers iu Europe.
The conflict was marked, on the part of the Greek.,
with a ferocity and cruelty which it was painful to
contemplate, and which were as disgraceful as any
thing charged to the Court of Constantinople.—
Don't let Hou. Members, in their zeal to put
doriu the tide of inhumanity, attribute more crime
to one side than the other. There were instances
of extreme cruelty in the history of other natiottassi
as in the transactions of almost all civil wart—wet
excepting our own ; but there wee, perhaps, never
such systemetic cruelty practised between two coo.
flicting Powers before. He cautioned Members
against invoking the strength and resources of this
great country in a crusudr, whe►e there were ow re.
gulatious strong enough to reduce the digits/bed

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element.. of civil order—..a crusade, too. which Mud
be carried en in a distant country, and on behalf of
a people among whom all the elements of discord
were ragiog.
Sig K. WILSON, well knowing the insignificance
of the Turkish power from examination arid the
concurrent experience of considerable military COM.
minders, thought that any dread of it as a matter
of policy must be ridiculous. It was well known
that Scanderberg. with 20,000 men, kept them in
awe for to years together. There was enough of
public-spirit in this country, if not interrupted by
the Government, to assure the Greeks, resolutely
and perseveringly as they acted, mod io etery way
worthy of the spirit of old Greece. of entire loc.
cow eventually. At any rate, let the Noble Lord
give directions to his Government in the lonian Wee
to preserve an exact neutrality. This country
strongly asapected. in consequence of the deport-
merit of that Government, of partiality to the
Turks. The proof of this lay in no Greek repro,
sentativer having been sent bete by the new Govern,
meat--the only instance of the kind among all
the new Governments which had sprung up--
though, on the other hand, in no instance had any
of the representatives of those new Governments
failed to discover that their first confidence in the
generosity of the British Government had been
misplaced.

Lord A. HAMILTON ►emarked on the entire in-
capability of the Holy Alliance to do any thing
to put down the atrocious hatchery of the Greek
Christians. or to do any thing on behalf of their
liberty, though they 114 d themselves been effica-
cious enough in damaging liberty elsewhere. He
did not believe, from what hr hail heard on all
sides, that neutrality was observed in the lonian
Isles.

Sr R. Wlt.sott asked if the Greek flrg would
be respected by British Commanders to the same
mutter as the South American Rag, ou the footing
of neutral intercourse ?

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that as far
as he knew, the strictest neutrality had been ob.
served by the Government of the lonian Isles, and
there could be no better proof of it than that
we were equally suspected of partiality by the
Turks and Greeks. The British ships of war in
the Mediterranean had respected the Greek as
much as the Turkish flag. It was competent to
any Government to make their own arrangerneots
in their own ports in regard to belligerents, pro.
tided thut they observed the same regulations te
both Powers. He would not now stop to debit,
the question as to whether Greece wu a power pro.
perly recogoised as such.
The Petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr. BERNAL resealed Iwo Petiolate from Publicans
of the Towles of Samoa sod Warrington, against the Beer
Retailing Bill—Laid on the table.
Mr. WESTERN presented 1$ similar Petitions, sipped
be the ptiblic-bouse keepers of 1111111011 i every town in Essex.
R. hoped some attention would be given to the Peiitintis ;
though being favourable to the principle of the Bill, he
vault certeialy eats fur seoetiog a to a Committee.

Mr. BROUGHAM wished fur all proper attention to be
paid to the representations of the Petitioners? who were, let
it be observed, all of oar character —licessed vieloallers—
[" And brewers"]—and brewers undoubtedly. As to die
brewers, it was easy to believe that they algae& the Na-
tives themselves of their owe free will, sod without asy ova.
straiming whatsoever. He bad some mama foe believing that
the cam was mot so plain on the port of the victualkrs. He
had Ist a letttr lo his possession hom one of them, who
subscribed ►ie eases, sod gave the sign of his house sad the
name of the Mow it stood is. The House would give list
credit for the swfhentieity without revealing particular,
The writer said, " I have just been viudM.►y net brewer's
clerk, who very much pressed me to sip a paper, which be
said would be of great benefit to me as to the retailinget
beer. As I hoes milling of the purport of it, I declised
Melia; it. I understand that t►ry have sisee sigaed it fur
use, as tbey do fur all Hume whoare sot ►o be frightesed into*
compliance.' There was soother poet of the paper, which via
subscribed by the oodersigised brewers sad hemmed publi-
C 111111." The parties declared their belief that the brewers
were forcing a Petition against a Hill which would beuett
the victuallers and the public greatly by abolishing the
The Petitions were laid os the table.

Mr. WESTERN pretested a Peiiiion frost Highbory sad
the neighbourhood spinet the Highgate Chapel Bill, which
was referred to the Cornatittte thereupon, sad the Peti.
tioaers oirtaised leave to be beard by their Cosasel against
the Bill.

Mr. HUME prese•ted a Petition foam the Inhabitnots of
Esightsbridge, Chelsea, and neighbourhood, eonaplaining of
the tr•dequaey of the Co•aty Court to try the greet number
of claws referred thither. He vas happy to know that the
subject venal be referred to • Committee seat Samoa.—
Laid oo the table.

Serjeant ONSLOW presented a Petition from parties re.
midis( Kingsten.en•Tbameu and Ripley, ageism the Bea
Retailing Bill.
Mr. BROUGHAM remarked that these %kiwi were
very like the rest—from partien ett►er directly or remotely
Interested. He said that in • towe where he slept last tight,
•ad win curious enough to leggier, be found that of 49
pnblie.houriea, there was only one free. He summed op t►e
arguments against She Bill to them two:—first that She pub.
he world get better beer from other quarters than they now
obtained from the brewers—sensed, t bat it would aquas t►e
licensed bosses, betarise m'n world prefer seudieg their
daughters to • chandler's shop fur beer, than to the leas de.
rest circle of • prahliese's bar. He tbovelst these objections
destroyed themselves by their repugnance to justice and
morality.
Mr. IiI'ODEHOUSE pretested • similar Petition from
the publicans of Bath —They were Lod an the table.
Mr. CROK ER presented • similar Petition free a Mr.
Gin, a ►rewer at Portsenoulb.—Laid en the table.
Sir It. WILSON gave notice of a armies for next Session
as behalf of ike Member fur Cumberland, for as iaqui.v
into She manner of dismissing Colonel Wuud from the
service.

The Irish Oonatables Bill received the oddities of various
sisiedraests sad was ordered to be read • third aim tu•
sserretr.

INSURRECTION ACT (IRELAND).
The Order of the Day for the third readies of the Irish
lasurreetion Act was then read.
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON wished to give Ms opinion os this
treasure, which he had been ouly prevented from doing by
his desire to suit the views of the Gentlemen of Ireland, who
thought ibe Rill necessary. He uouid nut be thought to
feel less horror at the outrages committed, or lees auxiety to
see order restored ; but it was time, new that the measures
of the Irish Goveranorot were sear their aecomplishmear, to
see to what they amounted. They were all eveohred info
there—the Constables Tillie Leasing &H—
--and the woad time of passing the lasurrection Act.
Did Illiluistess Ratter themselves they had hereby doss
famish for the peace and welfare of Ireland ? He
estatensied that they bad dour nolhldg, that they had es..
llrely failed In their duty, if they should atop here—if they
were mill deleseaused to refuse that inquiry which had
been so long and loudly culled for. He really had been led
from the speech of the Noble Marquis early in the Session.,
to suppose that the inquiry would have bens undertaken.
He referred back to the description glees of Use &ilea of
Irish oaks, at the Uoioo, by Mr. Pitt, turd the Raiterind
peramslotra at reused; for all their difficulties by the Pea-
sures of a British Perham:at. How -bad ell the pemplaes
hoes realised ? The answer lay In 11* Martial Law es•
kread..ia the Habeas Corpus Act ousiseadial—in the le-

werreclieb Act thrice enieted. .in Do 'ease was there
on attempt to redeems those promises. He did nut sc-
rum Ministers with producing the famine now raging
Ireland;ls ho could not even blame them for not
emmeipatiog the Catholics sod commuting the tithes,
though they ought to hove dose both; but. he did quarrel
with them for sot examining into the stale of reland. He
admitted that to more the evils of centuries of attisgoirern-
meet was an heresiesn task; but after the promise ender in
the King's Speech, be bad thought that inquiry could not be
withheld. In what part of England would Ministers dare
to apply the latturrection Act as a measure of relief to
great motional calsesity He was disposed to think highty
a the taleuts of Marqois Wellesley; but he most judge
him ILI all other Ministers—by his aorta. It was his duty to be
jealous constantly of all public meta. He admitted the haos
nf the window tax, and the great and grommets effort made
by this country for Ireland. He did not wish to unburden
the obligation-I\ol4h he most declare that the Irish were
nut to be looked on as mendicants bruin alms. It was
the duty of Parliameat to vote them as mach as Was
Detwesary for staying the grievous horrors of their limiter.
'those evils were mot yet stationary, more must be done,
nod by other means than by this Brit. Traosportai foie and
death were sot proofs of a stream Government—they were
only miserable expedited', which proved the absence of
all Government. IThat he dreaded most among the effects
'of this Bill, was the insults to which females world be ex.
posed. Irish cabins consisted of two, sometimes of one
room, where the whole family slept, though with the most
respectful observance of &Tetley. He had sees on some
occasions the women turned out of their beds, under this
Act, by the soldiery, io a stste of otter nudity, aid subjected
to all kinds of insult, while they were searching for their
prisoners. He bad repeatedly urged the necessity for inquiry, '
nod the inadequacy of these coercive projects fur healing the
sufferings of Ireland, sod Amlshed by declaring his dissent to
the Bill.
Mr. MONCE saw nothing in the Bill which west to the
root of the evils-swhiela he believed were sot in the taxes,
sot in the tithes, but io the very redundant population,
and the very low condition of Life—laying Somewhat about
half-say between savage sod civilised life. He felt sure
that while the people of Ireland were coolest to live upon
potatoes, and continue existence on the worst possible con-
ditions, their cave must be what the Baronet who repremots
Westminster described it, a moral pestilence. He thought
that the lasdlorde alone could wink a change by givisrup a
part of their rents, on conditios that the tenants should take
up a more respectable mode of living, and so inculcate in
them a taste fur the dceest comforts of existence. It was
mot for want of meat' that thew calamities came. The
wealth of Ireland bad been quadrupled within 30 years. Ile
did nut approve of the poor laws being planted there. They
would carry down the other clarets to the same levee, oithost
alstiog the misery.
Colonel TRENCH was sorry to agree with the Hon.
fitotlemars. There could be no solid benefit derived but
from the landlords, who mast free their tenants from the
oppressioss of intermediate agents, and watch over them
with more of paternal corm He was glad of the advance
which bad been made towards a comototatlon of tithes.
They must also adopt some plau for edectting the poor, and
reducing the number of absentees, by instituting them in
the Magistracy. He denied that they were moth for that
trust, or that the IAA* peasantry were unfit for eivilisation.
There was • keenness of intelligence about the low Irish—
an Athenian quirkners in the perception of all subjects which
few English Gentlemen could comprehend. He gave great
coedit to the efforts of the Hibernian Society is 'their
endeavours to teach sod improve them. He pointed out
the evils of the Excise Lairs, which were so construct-
ed as to snake it • glory sod emulation moat armies
of young men to oppose the execution of them with
destructive Molest,. He recommended the licensing
of small stills, which would do away this mil, and ba-
se"( the reverter. He approved of this and all the
other nee armee which bad been taken to restore tranquillity.
Mr. WILBERFORCE expatiated on the difficulties of
leading the Irish into the way of civilisation, and recoils-
Wended Irish Members to be coustast and perneverieg is
their duties toward* their constituents.

Mr..IIIARTIN (Galway) observed, that although it bad
bees said that if the Goveremest of Ireland sou rot foiled
is its Best messares, all wo•W be well, lb* tbees Seat mea-
sures that were proposed by that Goveromedt,vis.tholYtisei
Lasing Bill, the blob Coostsbles Bill, and the losurreetioa
Ad, bad met with the milt decided oppoollioa from Otis-
abates os the opposite side of the House. He then pro-
ceeded to comment on an amendment that hod been moved
In the Coolishles Bill, to exclude the appointimest of salary
paid Magistrates, sod was couleut that to the peewit elate
of the magistracy there, it was is tail for a poor mac to
apply to a Magistrate for redress, if aggrieved by a rich
man; sad that the salary paid Magistrates would always
be found the friend of the poor, when
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY reminded the Hon.
Member that he was wandering from the question.
Mr. MARTIN said, be was sorry if he had deported from
lime point of the discussioo, and is so doing, perhaps, he had
"shot his arrow u'er the house top, and wousiled his friend."
la the present circumstances of time coualey• maw, if brought
to trial before a register tribunal, most he tried either by a
Ivry of sufferers, or'hy • Jury of partisass • and be would
submit it to nay Gentleman from Ireland whether a maw
chirped with au offence against this Aft woeld tot prefer
Wing tiled by a Learned Sequin( sad • Seeds of JKwgt
strafes to being tried by a jury of the vicinity. The laser.
reeling' Act would remove all the impediments to the mom
of justice which the present state of the country isteepuell,
sad be therefore gave it his support.
alr, W. SMITH considered this Act, upos the whole, to
be is practice ain ofinercy. He concerted is opiates
that thespiritof distort:suet in Ireland night tube pot down;
and he should most readily concur in arming the Govern-
Mcat with extraordinary powers for that pupal., if he could
forgot the most abominable manner is which those 'coulees
were exercised on a former occasion, and shot the abuses
sad myocisies the. committed had been sheltered by an Is.
duskily Act, which it was a shame fur the Goverssnest to
hare sailed and for the Porliameot to have passed. Ha was,
burner, the farthest man in the world from attribution to
the persons at presto. charged with the Government of
lied the slightest diapositioa to abase the.. powers. He gave
them credit fur the best views sad the pares* intentions, sad he
frosted they would not stretch the power with which this Act
wrested them, beyond thelinsits contemplated by Parliament:
He believed that so good was to be bawdy done towards the
inprovemest of Irelasd, after the loon course of misgovern. '
meat which it bed experienced on the ooe bard, and the mi.-
moduefarislng out of that misgovernment on the other. He
looked manly to the effects of the diffusion of knowledge
ty mesas of an improved and extended eyelets of eduatioa
for the amelioratiois of the habits and cwodition of the peo-
ple; sad if Afiy years hence the cousin, should have made
ea approach to that state in which it was desirable that it
itiostd be placed, be feared it was as much as could be
loped fur. Great talents, great wit, and a variety of good
qualities, he obis breed attributed to the people of Ireland,
tad, he believed, not without tempo* ; but be lamented to
Iry,sad the fault was in the system ofGuv. rumens which had
se lambus pursued lo that country; they seemed to possess
sill) large porous of the virtues, a large shares of the vices
also of slaved _ .

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said dose lbe presoak
!aware was one of those alsieb had bees framed by Parlis-
atilt fur the express purpose of placing the extraordinary
Pwieso which it might be uccasiuiralty weensary to caster
oh the ttereinment of Ireland under regulaties. At that
Pled to which the Hon. IHronber (Mr. W. Smith) bad in ito
nitraordisary alluded, there was no feserreclioa Art ia'
eslatste ; no me winds hod .been framed by Perla...eat
I° Sus extraordieery puirers is the bands of the Govern..
neat; let the country was seder martial law, Rader
..LCIS thine was no lima to the powers eseicior4 by,
1"15 in authority; sad though there were unsay its.
laces of in extreme exercise of power on that occasion, •
whirl could sot be iiewed, bet with regret, it should be re-
!olteetett that (bey were resorted to by portico in solt.dm
Imo from I system of outrage sad violsece too power.
fiti for tot friw.Hear, bear,)—and to cops with which
,todetpuitepswert d. Ailed and limited by law were oven.—
‘7"e•W-With 'vapid to the 11111 of ledresaity which the
"se. Heather had spoke. of fa terms of rename, be (Lord
rosld take to bitumen stiller shame our &Wee* ter tM girl
In had io that mestere ; ea the contrary, he repined is the
tonrictiun of booing discharged his duty, sad he ebeill4

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have felt himself for ewer itistreeed, both at a 'man and
a Minister, if after Lavin brought down • Bill whereby
• full pardon was granted to all those who were engaged
in acts of rebellion in Ireland—(Haar, hoar, beero-4 be
had not also brought 'lowa a Bill to indemnify the Magis-
trates sod other loyal inhabitants of the country fmns legal
responsibility for say acts dose by them in their endeavours
towards repressing rebellion, which might have exceeded the
strict booed. eflaw.—(Hear.)--But lei not the Hoe. Mfinbet
suppose that any Art thus pawed hod reference to any par.
ticular case, Or was connected with the same of aey iedl-
'hilts!. It was passed entirely with reference to the 'sutra!
state is which the cosatry bad been placed ; sad he should
wish to know what would have bees thought of the Govern-
m .nt„ if, in exteading a testers, aeseeety to the tapes and
avowed violators of the law, it had neglected to provide for
the protection of those who,. is repressing the disturbance
sad outrage, had ostatepped the ordinary booads of their
legal power ?—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. D. BROWNE said no mitt was more seniors to pre-
serve fur Ireland the fell benefit of the English coustitutios,
bat he lamented to say that the state of that country at pre-
seal was itch as to require the application of the powers
eriehrred by this Act. He deplored the uofortstiate
lion of his eouslry. If he looked at the whole law of be-
land, be forted It, instead of • law of proteetiou, • aystean
of proscription. Ile might perhaps be asked, why then be
erinoested to the application of additional measures of
severity to the people, who openly resisted such oppressive
laws? His answer was, because he wished to p t a re-
volution, which might separate the two countries; and he
called upon the Heallemen of Eagland to assist I. the
eudeavuur.
Mr. S. RICE said, he should have supposed, from the
reasoning of the Nohte Lord, that the pianist of the In.
demon, Bill had taken place before the introduction of the
lasureertion Act in !reload, bet as far as his memory served
him, that Act was first brought In In the year 1796. He
. gooeurred with his Honourable Friend (Mr. W. Smith) in
reprobation of that Indemnity Bill, and of every proceeding
of a similar etneription. Bat he deprecated the isdrodec-
lion into she detate as matter of reproach, of topics which
shosW never he recurred to, except to serves@ a goidaate is
the adow.ioo of measures uudersimilareireemstasces. There
was a subject intimately connected with the removal of the
disterthecer in Ireland—he meaat the reform of the math-
traey, ',wittier& which he had bear antics with much an:-
let, tobear from his Majesty's Goverentent, not only that the
matter was wader coosldetatiou, but that • measure which had
bees slated to have been two years age nearly matured, was
at lasi ready for adoption, and that the reform of the maxis.
tracy was about to rake place. Respecting the Act walks,
coosideration, be wished to hear the opiaioa of the Right
Hoe. the Attorney-General of Ireland, whether, snider the
clause of this Act, the county magistrates were empowered
to act for the purposes of the Act within the limits of towns
sad counties of towns; era if it 'Weld appear that they
Were not, he would in the next stage of the Bill move a
clause for the appointment of jounces of the peace fur ca-
roming the provisions of the Act within their Willis.
' Mr. W. SMITH explained that the Act of Indemnity, to
which he bad alluded, was tut as Act of the Irish Par.
liseseet, but the Act, cap. 103 or 4, passed is the year 1801,
Is the English Parliameat, of which be still thought as be
bad before expressed himself.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY explained, that he
bad lakes the Honourable Member to hare spokes of the
Act of the Irish Parliament.
General HART contended, that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer had the means ia his power to put dews the dis-
torbances to looked in • great degree for he maintained
the discoateat canoed by the refusal of Catholic Entancipa-
tits, or even brthritithe system, was uothisg at all to that
earned by the distillery laws, to which he had to vain applied
his endeavours to procure au amendment, ever glace he bad
had the honour of a seat in Parliament. The eyeless of rob-
bery aad injustice which was carried en in the levyieg of toot-
hed fees for illicit distillation was oppressive sad levitating
is the highest degree. He bad pet raw the baud' of the
Commissioners of luquiry late the mode of collecting the
revenue in Ireland, a Anemia to guide their iaquiries oe
That head, and if they should sot paint let a remedy, be
@Weld feel it his duty to move is the one of the next
Session for a Committee to inquire bas that particular
r. PLUNKETT, in seiner to the garottes of the Hon.
Member for Limerick, said he had no doubt whatever that
the County Magistrates had the powers lo• bad shaded to,
under Ibis Act ; fur the 23J section expressly authorised
them to exercise their powers, except is the Coasty of the
City of Dublin; arid the next Benicia gave all the powers
given to the Magistrates of Counties under ibis Act, to the
Magistrates of Cities, and Counties of Cities likewise.

Mr. H. G BENNETT said be roold join in the opinlea '
that wheal Perlis/pest was called upon to pen severe laws, it
was nut perfectly predeut, and just, sod wise, to direct Its
attestioo to what bad formerly bees aloe seder measures of
• similar eaters It was sot **say doopseitlea to rekindle
asimosities, that Gentlemen on his** oft* House alluded
to those *jags, but in order to point Amu out as transactions
not to be imitated, but to be avoided; sad *sever could
suffer measures of severity to pus will trope* to !reload,
without rrealliug the trassactioas of forager periods, to cau-
tion the House against unnecerritily pentiveriag in • course
of severity. The whole Session bad bens passed in one
confirmed perpetration of acts of *weeny toe the people
of Ireland; and the Legislature bad dime nothing tol remedy
any one of their grievances, or to lighten any one of their
burdens, with the solitary exception of the remission of the
window tea.
Mr. GOULBURN said he would tell the Hon. Member
fur Sbreisabery (Mr. H. G. Bement) that the Irish Govern.
meat called fur this measure to p at that country from
being plunged bate a situation similar to that ()Me period to
which he had alluded, and to secure it from • recurrence of
the atrocities and outrages of every description that marked
that period. To have withheld this Act at the compeer,-
meet of the Senion would have been to pleuge the country
into • slate °rupee rebellion, sad have led idably to the
renewal of those horrors whit* the Hon. Member deprecated.
It was not to gratify soy bad feeling, but because it was oe.
nurary for the safety of the country, that they called for this
measure, sod on that ground alone he asked for the votes of
Honourable Members in farmer of it, and if granted for that
purpose be trusted it would be permanently beeeficial to the
gerinry. With respect to the reform of the magistracy of
Iceland, 'Waded to by the Hon. Member fur Limerick (111 r.
S. Lee), the difficulty of investlvitieg the private chancier
of every Fermin proposed fur the office of a magistrate
such • manner as to secure • correct report of the qualifies.
tines and efficiency of each, which the Lord Chancellor bed
been a keg lime employed is tomplatiog, perverted his as.
signing the period at which the Govan/man would be pre-
pared for the genial adoption of • thorough reform of Ms
Magislescy.
Lord A. HAMILTON professed himself; after hearing
what had bees said on both sides, at a lose to decide'
whether be ought to agree to the measure as necessary,
according to the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Goal.
burn), fur the safety of lreleud, or to juin with his Hou.
fsieud behind him (Mr. H. G. Bennett) in tallieg to naiad
the transactions of former limes, and resisting the Ines.
sure with all his might, en the ground of its liability to
show. But when he looked runud, nod saw in attendance
on this occasion sot • lithe of the Members of that House,
nor even • tithe of the Members from Ireland, for he did
sot believe there were tea Irish Mea). re present, be could
not bring himself to believe that Ireland was in that state of
disturbance which wag reported; nor when he recurred to
the experieuce of the last 15 years, could be bring himself to
believe that ever the Ministers themselves could anticipate,
those results from this mr Mille which they professed. After
tie expert*** of the pest, befouled the outrages of last year
worse than say fanner; and be beard them repeatedly
Imputed to the misgovernment of the eoestry.
could not bet remember the able, forcible, and states.,
man-like manner in which hi. Right Honourable Friend near
him (Mr. C. Gnat), with his innovate k mewled* of the sub-
ject, had repeated the history of insornetims after lasor..
reeks., fullpired by seventy after erverity ; nee anarld •
tic forget his manly cieclaratioe that three wee mat
one of those measures which had not been wend
by soleriar,"miagvveraoseeil, and followed by fresh nunnery,
tims. ik fitund-theis that erectly is proportion as miaow*
ed severity had been pursued,* that peopertion limonite**
had lactessed ; and be couteuded therefore that this was

not Iles*miteille.ter 111~411 3O restore {tad preserre the
eft ts& nallesere of the Coostables
Bill was Mta - M ieledesseat on earth could . pre-
vail with him to tioalmed to Introduce into this court-
-fry, and therefore he reprebaleil its adoption in Ireland. It
was an approach to a ponsaneat kasictisin and consolidation
of the'civil and military pottier or the country—an attempt
to substitute a peedersterie ter the ordinary Men police.
Mr. BUTTERWORTH stigignseled the present messier,
because he. was smelled it wits as set of Mercy towards the
delltded pesmetry of Inlaid.
After a rtw words treat *r. S. RICE sad Mr. D.
BROWNE, the Bill was mad • third time and pawed.
t'ONSULS At THE BRAZILS.
On the order of the day brie, read fur the House resolv-
ing itself late • Cevamittes of Supply--
Mr. HUME said, be had takers the first opportunity of
the Supply being emetimied again, to agitate • *Object
witch be bad beim& leeward last Session—he mesut the
fees takes by she COMAS is lii" Reasils, and this Session be
had presented • Petition freed the snerchtnts complain-
ing of the abase, The Nuble Marquis (I oodonderry)
had doubted the statement that be bad made, that the
Consul Geaead was le the receipt of 9,0001. or 10,0001.
spear t • charge se great de the trade of the- country,
that he thought It extraordinary the Noble Marquis'
should have seffered ft to ramie so long after he had had hie
Mitotics called to it. Bet what be principally complaioed
of was, that in Meech 14111, • letter was scut by the Noble
Marquis, counternmedieg a former order; mid-desiring that
the Cowed General 'honk' continue to receive the mime emo-
temente as before. In the last six years, coding 1811), the
Coasel-Geeeral al Rie had received no less • anus than
67,6671. and in the ether Colonies so lees • sum was levied
thau gommt. as the Res of the other Comets, and in that
was locluded so chary for lie Tee-Camels. A Tice-
Coeval/41p wee femossifat Le, sod the Tice-Consul charged
what he thought proper. As the Americans bed no similar
charge to pay, it *permed gofer as a premiere to their trade.
The Noble Marquis had stated something about the high
price of bread as a reason for continuing the great al-
luvium:ft tote CossuLGenecal, but in flirt meat was from
one penny to three half peace per Ib , sad every other sort
of proviaioes as cheap as la this country. The Honour.
able Member concluded by moving, as as amendment, the
following resolutioa That it appears by returns on
the Miele of this House that the sour of 77,6471. has been
levied on the British ceseraerce to the Brazils in the six years
ending 1320, besides 12.6,71. 131. 4‘ll foe salaries from Rug.
laud, making together 903741. 13r. 4d.,0f which the Con•ul-
Gear's! had received 17,5791. Se. 9d.; sad it is the opinion
of this House that such salaries are extravagant, unneces-
sary, and might to be reduced."

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY that when fin
'object was mentioned before,the wholeof the general question
was soder the consideration of his Right Hon. Friend at the
head of the Board of Trade, Ibis gelation of the Consuls of
Stasi! was part of that general question, sod though beicould
not moment that the whole helloes' we the country should
Mood still till the whole of this complicated business was sr.
.:27yet he yes very ready to meet the Hon. Member,
0116. Int• it fully; for which perpose, he should propose
41 game that the whole of the correspondence which had
tNias place nhowid be laid epos the table. He complained
rieir: Mho wpirit of exaggeretiou displayed by the Hon.
Aids was the more unnecessary, as the facts them-
selves seem suSciently strong to call for consideration, and
alteration. Originally the Commis emoluments were Bud
as cabere were, by a salary, and fees of half a per cent. on
every British cargo, which arraogismest was made on the
representation of the merchants espied In the trade. The
Wade afterwards increased so mach that the emoluments
became much more considerable than was as first intended,
and his Majesty's Government had Ares times restricted
the feat of the Consul-General, la order to countervail that
great increase of the trade. The prices of provisions were
certainly very high them four or five yeses ago, and be
(the Marquis of Londonderry) would lay • scale of prices om
the table, sod should be glad of the Hoe. Member's aseistetice
in poiutlng oat any error. lustroctioas had in the mean till)*
been seat out to guard silliest the salaries ding the
scale of enioremeitt which woe wigleally intended, and •
deelaratio• that Mr. Cheenherleles emoluments, salary In-
chided, should sot exceed 11,11061. a year. He should feel it
his duty to move for the correspoodeeee he had mentioned,
and is the mean time he should give • negative to the
present proposition, as it was condemnatory la the Mat
instance.
Mr. BARING eoseeived the amount of fees levied on the
trade was an 1111011110 US evil ; he was quite sore, as the Hun.
Member fur Aberdeen had slated, that no trade could long be
carried co is competition with those who laboured under so
such disadvantsge. la the Mediterraman the trade of Lev
born and Groom was absolutely driven from mkt port to the
other by charges little more than those in question. In old
times 1,8001. a. year woo considered en ample and considera-
ble salary for a Cosset. Knowing the ioconvemieoce to the
public busier., at this period of the Session, he could nut
agree to the Amendment, but he thought the House was
mach obliged to the Hos. limber for bringing the subject
forward.

Mr. HUME said he was Is pawed, of the ~respired.
once, and be did not see that it would afford the Hans. asp
additional information. He berried to sale the Noble Lewd
when the iastruetiarie w►ich be bad spoke• of were rest out ?
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY explained. The
Hoe. Geodesists bad said that be had rot the correspondence,
bet the Hosea bad sot sot it. Hot he (Lord Londonderry)
apprehended the Hos. Gentle., bed wily half the
posdeore. if he had the correspondence of his (Lord l.bo-
doederef•a) °lice, be moat be 'Hewed to ark how be became
poesessed of it ?

My. HUME explained, he had the letters of the mer-
chants to the Noble Lord, and Ma 1111$11‘1(10.
-- - _

The Alameda of LONDONDERRY said he apprehended
that it weeld Iss same satisfactory to the House if the cur-
respondence were laid cm the table. He meant also to give
the House the correspondrece with Mr. Chamberlain. In
answer to the Hoe. Member's questioo, the order to re-
strict the salaries was seat out about two months ego.
The question was thee put and negatived wit►out a di-
vision.

Mr. H. G. BUNNETT objected to the lateness °fibs, hoer
at which the House was called spout to go into a Cosontittati
of Supply.
Lord PALMERSTON stated that it wu not his initiation
to propowt any part of t►e Army Eatraordinarics out bat
evening.

NEW CHURCH, EDINBURGH.
Laid BINNING moved to refer the Petition of the Sub-
ocribers to the New Church at Edinburgh to the Committee
of Supply.
Mr. HUME objected to granting 10,00 W. for the purpose
erf raising a monument of t►e nature proposed.
Si► R. WILSON thought it was Indecent to propose tak-
ing 10,000/. out of the pockets of the people to build an or-
namental temple, at a time when the people of the sister
commie, were in a state of starvation.
Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS conside►ed the proposition as one
which was very proper to be submitted to the House.
Mr. H. GURNET was averse from the grant at Ibis
jandsre.
Mr. MONCK thought that after the House had granted a
million of money for the Caledonian Canal, they ought to
be allowed time to recover from that before they were cella
upon for soy more.
Sir G. CLERK defended the situation of the church, and
said that the 1,600 free seats which were intended to be
made in it would be t►e greatest accommodation to the
poorer inhabitants of Edinburgh..
Mr. H. G. BENNETT said, that at all events a sufficiency
Ostia had bee. displayed on the occasion. The Hon. lim-
bs lift rend a paper which be ►eld in his band to the ful-
Inning 'feet :

AM
The Sebum Mere to the National Mouninest is EA,-
hied' request your attendance is the Hems of Cuaissoas
se Ifq‘day next, as that .object will be brought under cots.
ifthershain."
He 44 notitoow who was the author dais, het he tbosght
It a Resat noslneion• attempt Is inflation Members. Re
eusidevai, wader the yoroeui border of the people of E.g.
1•44, ltgatolted sot was absolutely isedeeeot.
Ali ER, *Darr the Gallery, obese use we could
ao. kont, approved of the gust.
Mr. C. GRANT thought lb. proposed grant eleepiluas.

Isle on several neousids, and should 'her. fore oppose Hie Os-
titia, being referred to the Committee of Supply.
Lord DINNING said, if the erection of this church *Auld
take • morsel of bread from any of the starring
population of Ireland, be should be the last man to
the weld io propose it. h was a mistake to suppose
that churches were net wanted in Edioburoh. Tea
years aim When the census was taken, the itshabiteuth
amounted to 104.040. They Were now 140,000, sod olity
oar church bad been opened is that lime. Geollenieu oppo-
site seemed to mistake the nature of the grant, for it *as
out for the 'putpose of teeing merely an onsameatal stew.
lure, bet a place of public wilily.
Sir C. W. WYNN considered that It was perfectly
Proper to associate a national soontiment witk public utility,
but for the tea thonsaad poundli proposed, ten churches
Wight be built which were essentially wanted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, at
there seemed to be sdch • difference of 4apin.on on the sub-
ject, lie would recommend bis Noble Fi ieud to withdraw
64 motion fur the prevent.
Lord SINNING consented to the suggestion, and With-
drew his proposition.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The Hauge tie;Srmielred itself into a Committee of *apply.
Lord PALMERSTON proposed that • sum not exceed-
IsR iihniald be granted to defray the expenses of
the disembodied militia.
Mr. HUME said the militia was kept up in hasda, merely
for Musical purposes. He thought sumo satisfactory expla-
satios was wanting, as to why so many Adjulasb were
kept op, and whether On se Jean!. and corporals were effi-
cient or not.
Lord PALMERSTON said it was necessary to keep op •
Arleta. staff fur each regimes., sod as the AdJetant was
the responsible officer, be, of course, was Indispensable.
With regard to the nos-emornissiosed officers, it was Neces-
sary they should Ise pernuteently resident at bead quarters,
and unless they were ;Snidest *ad efficient, their pay was
wlthbeld.—Tbr vote was then agreed to.
Lord PALMERSTON uses proposed Mai • man sot
exceeding 110,7031 should be grained to defray the expenses
of the disembodied militia la Ireland.
Mr. SPRING RICE begged to remind the Hasse than
this was not exclusively • parliamentary grant, but was
sometimes levied as a Grand Jury tax from the peasantry
of Ireland.

The vote was then agreed to.
IRISH ESTIMATES.
Mr. GOULBURN proposed that a sem not exceeding
108,5881. should be. granted to defray the expenses of the
Commissariat Department in Ireland.
Mr. HUME complained that the Right Hon. Gentleman
did not enter into some explarntio■ as to the arrangements
of that department, which required so extensive a grant.—
His predecessor in office had stated that a great reduction
was rostemplated. He conceived that a considerable re.
treschme•t might be made ►y consolidating the public este-
bliahmeets of England and Ireland. But hr considered &t
quite improper that the House should be ca:lefl upon at that
late period of the Scrims to vole away the public money,
whilst they were so ignorant of the details.
Mr. GOULBURN said that the consolidation which the
Howonrable gentleman bad desired was actually effected in
the Commissariat Department.; and he could assure him
that it was from so want of respect, either for hint or for
the Howse, that be abstained from entering at present into
• financial survey of the condition of Ireland.
Mr. HUM E expressed his assent to the explaoatioo, and
the vote was agreed to.
The next vote proposed was 122,7841. British currency,
to defray the expesses of the Barrack deportment.
Mr. HUME stated that there were iu Ireland 387 ►arracks,
187 of Which were permanent, and 100 temporary. Now he
would beg to caU the attention of the House to what must
be the internal condition of Ireland, which required • barrack
almost in every lowa. A great portion of the expense might
be saved if t►e Chancellor of t►e Exchequer would redsee the
defy on spirits. He thought be might with great propriety
rope'e t►e reduction of this vote by one half.
Mr. GOULBURN said It was necresary that militia
@bora be scattered all over the eouetry to preserve order and
tresqultlity. They were preserved rather for civil than mili-
tary po rpeee*.
Mr. SPRING RICE said that in mimeo( the districts IBM
connected with the present disturbances barracks were more
numerous the. elsewhere. In Derry, for instaoce, there
were eleven barracks, whilst in Limerick there were usly two.
Mr. DENIS BROWNE defended the principle on which
Wracks were regulated for the purposes of defence.
Mr.iliUME said if the Government would consult the
wants of the people, it would supersede the necessity of main-
talaieg barracks all over that country.
Mr. PEEL said, In answer to his Hos. Friend (Mr. Rice),
that the reason why barracks were so numerous in Derry,
was is consequence of the prevalence of illicit distillation.
But they were maintained there at an expense nut exceeding
161. each.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observed, that if the
dudes on spirits were reduced, it would frustrate this anis
object the Government had in view is raising them, oneself,
to prevent the general cessuisplion of spirits amongst die
Irish peasantry.
Dlr. RICE eoutended, diet the high d4ies produced a
spirits
more extensive consumption of cheaper then if tie
duties were lower.

Mr. HUME Instanced the article of tobacco, to pro►e diet
when the duly was raised the re►eave was proportiouably
diminished, in cousequeace of swinggling.
Mr. C. GRANT said that it kerame necessary in many in-
steam to retaia barracks, five the impossibility of dia.
posieg of them, e►en at a considerable lose.
The ►ote was then agreed to.
M r. G. BENNETT suggested tbe propriety of reporting
progress.
Mr. GOCLBURN mid, he should select the votes fur
charitable iestiestime, which wee suffering at present in
comiequence of she delay. The following ►otes were ties
agreed to:-19,0001. for the House of ladeatry, Dobbs
and 5,000/. for the Lunatic Asylum.
The CHAIRMAN sberreported progress, and got In►;
to sit again.—The Report was ordered to be recei►e' to-
morrow.

The Haase having rusarnsed, the Whet Orders of the Day
were 'hen disposed of, sad the Haase adjourned at ONE
o'CLOCK.