The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser.
London, England, 1819-02-20 00:00:00

CHIMNEY SWEEPERS

_ ......
The Report of the Committee uu the Chimney Sweepers
Regulatiou Bull ws. brought up amid speed to ; and ;dirt
soil., ronseeration beiwtro Mr. &)x . and Mr. Kam-
urn, the Bill was bxed for the third reading ou Monday
taxi.

GRAND JURY PRESENTMENTS CIRELAND).
Mr. DAsesum lobe, pursuant to nonce, to move
for the uppointinent of a C ~, mittee to consider the
ctit cts of the huh Grand Jury Act of lass Session,
and to report their observations thereon to the
BMW ; and as he underbtuoi the% no opposition
was to be offered to his motion, he should trouble
the House, lie bard, with but few observations.
He should go into the Cornorsittee with every dispo.
to preserve the principle of the Act, and was
oily &biII,LIS of umeliding its details us much us
.light be claire. lie wished the power of Grand
:ones, with respect to appointing eight constables
for each barony were altered, that number being
too large for bottle, and insufficient for others.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, that one of the most glar.
nig defects of the Grand Jury system was, the in-
equality of the surveys, and thought that if the in-
qihry did nut comprehend that topic, it would be

tier H. PANNELL would not give any opposition
in the appointment of the Committee. lifter the
usplineeitson the Hon. Member had made of his oh-
and that he was desirous of preserving the es-
armed' principle of the last Art. Of the value of
that piiteciple, little doubt could exist. Few could
question the utility of a rigorous investigation of all
appletations to a Grated Jury for grants of mousy,
111, the examination of them by the Ajagistrates
rt Quarter Session., where the parties were nu

oath. Tle was willing, hOWZVer, to join in aav et.
tort for worming; the minor provisions, as the prin-
ciple was to lie adhered to.
Sir G. Iln.t. beg led leave to say, that if he were
spina Weil Oil the Uomtuittre, hr sh..uld wit be
bound by the ride laid ihitvii by the 11011. gunnel
riir 11. Parnell) fur its ihrectitm. To any provi.
SIMI for exietidilig the time, and rendetiog more
pub!ic the notice of applications to the Grand Jury
for twine), to carry on public works. he would not
idfer the slightest opposition ; but MP the inquiry
contemplated could out but last till a late period or
the Session, will as the mail coach roads and ...Odic
works in Ireland were going to decay. white the
House was engaged in devising the best mean• to
keep thein in repair, lie should take that opportn.
tiny to give notice that he would, onloisday next,
move for leave to bring in a short Bill to citable
Grand Juries, at the next Assizes, to make pro.
visions for the niminuirring public works already in
existence. The Iluu. Harimet WAS a great mien.
qtr for the early arrival of the mails in Ireland,
and he had been on a Committee which recom-
Mended the expenditure of two Or three bombed
thousand pounds on the roads in Wales; but what
was the state of the ro id. in Ireland ? The pre-
sent was the third Session the I louse were employed
in making laws foe their rev Ammo. The Act of
last Session wee fO/111111 in have been impracti-
cable in a great pant ni the country, and not
only the roads, hat tither public works were
falling into rain and destruction, and the bu-
siness of the courstry not only impeded,• lost
at a stand. He should go into the Committee with
every desire to forward its objects, but on the part
of the landed and commercial interests of Is-timid,
he entreated the House, to receive favourably the
motion be intended to make on Nlanday.
Mr. BECHER trusted he should he allowed, as a
representative of that country which the motion he-
foe the House particularly concerned, to offer a
few remarks. The general object of the Act of
la•t Session appeared to lie good ; defects in it,
how ver. there certainly were, hut not a soca'
magintutle as to be weighed agenst the advantage%
it way calculated to product.—(lfene, bear.)—
They were merely impediments to the execution of
the measure. It hail not been sufficiently tried
yet ; and the approaching Assizes would he a good
opportunity for idisersiog how it operated. The
viol of the Act, to cause a strict and public Piers.
ligation of the porpu.es to which the public money
was to be applied, was most laudable—(l /ear)—
and tended materially to destroy the scandalous
practice of jobbing which had been hut too preva-
lent.

Sir JOUR STEWART made some observations nn
the mot' ; hut they were inaudible in tile gallery.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD said, that before the Hot,.
Baiimet (Sir G. Hill) had described the rouse-
queixes of the Act to be the ruin and destruction of
all public work• in Ireland, lie should have known
that it had never !wen tried. Fle was happy Ina
every Gentlemen who had taken a part in the dis.
cussion had expressed himself favourable to the
principle of his Act, and advised inquiry only
to remove some objectionable details, and there-
fore lie was bound to give his support to the inn.
lion, as it went 10 give full effect to his owl, views.
But to prevent any impression going abroad of tie
impracticability of the measure, he thought it right
to state, that he had received three or four letters
from individuals of the highest respectability iii
Ireland, and with the best means of judgitig of its
nature and operation, all expressing their approh
tion of it, and exhorting him not to give it up.
Tile writer of one of these was a Noble Lord,
who had felt it his duty to act as Chairman at
the Sessimis in the County. Mr. Buxton,
of the County of Meath, 7106 the wilier of another.
It hail long beet, a complaint against the Magis-
tracy of Ireland, that they were viol selected front
the higher orders of society in that country. The
domestic discords—the etraesice of great landed pro.-
pm-tors—alai other circumstances, rendered it ne-
cessary to appoint Magistrates in Irelaud, who, in
better time•, would not have been appointed to till
that high and important office. This was deeply
to he iegretted—but it was the fact, he stated, diet
could out be denied. lie did not speak from the
observation of others—he spoke from what passed
under his own eyes. lie knew that turn were intro-
duced into the Commis•ion oldie Peace, who ought
slot to hold it. This utifitnesa had lung been ruin.
'flawed of—it was long considered as one of the
grievances of the country—and as one step to put
it down, and as one step to the restoration of the re=
speetafohty or the Magistracy, he was Noxious to
assert the principle of property in the Bill. and if
that principle could not be universally enforced, it
was at leust desirable to hold out fresh inducements
of activity It, the Magistrate., to induce than to
attend at the Quarter Sessious—et, inducement
which liappi;y was not necessary in England, where
Magistrates attend on the constant edininiatration
of pistil e. The [louse, he was satisfied, would du
justice ti, his motive* in the attempt lie made—vet-
taiiil) with the best intentions—to correct one of the
greatest evils complained of in Ireland—one of the
uio•t crying rvtls, namely, the uppointmetit of sulior-
thirde persons to the Magisterial Chair. As to the
observations made by his lion. Friend (Mr. Daste.
son), he (Mr. Ftte4eraild) would only say, that cirs.
cuasstances were counected with property in Lon-
donderry which gave a peculiar character to its
teoure, however wealthy and respectable the pro.
prietors might be, and this circumstance inight, in
some degree, have operated against the Bill. The
provisions of the law might not have had in that
counts, the same scope that it had in others, and
the benefits of the law might not be ao clearly tin-
derstood ; but surely it was not because Lot.
derry and Maio complained of the law, at the
meta when many other counties approved of ,
that the House, without a fair trial, would enter•
lain the idea of its repeal. The House, he trot.'
would preserve the principle of the law—ti
would give it fair play—they would not anticn
objections to a measure which was intended to
reel abuses. If on a fair trial the !louse, from

[MI, that a measure ichich deslrn;et many
abuses, created some hiciiiiveMence. itevri•
was is great referernitlon without jostle Ivatiuus.
All hr for was, -Mat Ilia principle of the law
• should tie maintained. WlEtterer ameedinerits
should be :41z:tested that were reasounble nod oe-
cessery, he would Most williegly adopt, but lie en-
treated the House to 'reuse before they disturbed a
law tout W. 14 efljoritli with the best view, to promote
the-public iiiters•st:: and that was calculeted to cor-
rect or to remove some of the worst public Arises.
Mr. A seatcairsioY said, that iii what lie intend-
ed to otter he certemly did Wit 11OVA!, to oppose ilie
principle contelitird for by the -Bight Hon. Cleutle•
utu:: ; but if sltifects were found in the Hill, lie
thought the measure slroutd be examined. No out
was more sincerely determined than he wile to pie-
terve the principle of the Bill, convinced as he was
that it was deserving of support ; but it objections
existed, they should be examined into and remov-
ed. Hr would suggest Brit it ought be added to
the inotiogi of the Right lima. Baronet, " Thai the
Committee do coosider the Bill with reference to
the more effecinal execution of the aamr."
would beg Luse to make another observation be-
fore lie sat down—it was this, that if the Right Hon:
Baronet introduced any measuie to get rid of the
principle of the Bill he (Mr. Abercrienby) would
fuel it his duty to give it the most isiseqiiivocel, the
most constant, and det ided opposittoo.—(Hear.)
Sir (;eoitor, Hut. explained.
Lord JOCELYN said lie was anxious to go into
C ',.'M 'tee. 11, slid not oppose the principle of
Bi- 1;111 ; lie only wished In get rid of its defects.
11. m. would slot wish) to see any public works present-
rd for before a strict inveatigetion was had ono the
absolute necessity of tuck works; he woold not
wish to see a shilling of the public money paid sway
without the strictest acrutiny. H • could not but
differ in many itist:iices from ibis views taken by
his Hon. Friend. Ile (Mr. Fitzgerald) had stated
that he had received slimly let; ens fi om Ire hut d,
etatitig the great public benefits that resulted from
the B 11. He (Lord Jocelyn) iambi absolve the
House, that lie too had received letters from that
consitry, used certainly from us respectable person*
as those who corresponded with his Ihrii. Friend,
aid these letters stated the direct contrary. It ap-
peared to him that the people of Ireland had pouch
reason to complain of the measure. Whet woe
their situation since the Bill 'rid passed into a law ?
When that Bill was missing through the !loose,
their hopes were raised tux greet rxtriit—they heard
of the minty advantages it would give to the country ;
hut he was sorry to say that these hopes were lolasted,
and that instead of drrivilig saliraotages from de Bill,
I they found it a lame sod itieffi.aent tneastsie. It was
intoduced into the House ovowe#lly fur Me pip-
pote of reinedyitug the deficiencies of the Gracid
Jury Laws -it was iiitelided to plinfy the u.lininia
stiation of thews laws it au, tlaral up as a ores.
sure of great publiii utility, of such vast import-
mice, that the Speaker at the Bar of the !louse of
Lords euhigizeil it ;5 measure highly beneficial
to the country. Now he winds! ask, what were
the advantages dust were fel; from tihf operation
of the law—how did it wadi wide the country ?
The first proceeding of the sucei.eiling Parka-
mstit sing a lion fur its so:pension.. He (Lord
Jocetyn) would say, notwithstanding the malty
severe and unmerited observations that had beers
made, that the old system had been one under
which the country had drrived many end great
advantages. On a former occasion, lir (Lord
Jocelyn) had stated the Bill wool', be found
iu-
adequate—that it was so, was deer:). established
by the forcible mid temperate Petitioos from Lon.
douderry and Mayo, aigne:i as they were by a great
many most respectable Gentlemen of those cools-
ties ; and he would um hesitate to tosty, notwith-
standing the aspersions that Ismre thrown upon them,
that, taking the Magistrates iii Ireland a. a general
body, there were nut to be found men who enter-
tinned more honest mid conscientious opinions. It
rhould nut be forgotten, that the Petition% from these
men proceeded from uo selfish or interested
views—
diet they were men who watched over the %dime
and interests of the country. The flute. Gentlentais
concluded by saying that be was hostile to every
abort connected with the Grand Jury Laws; that
lie would wish to see the public money accounted
for to the hoot shilling. Ile hoped that when the
Bill sl ld be referred to the Committee, such
:Iterations would he made as would tender ii, if
I tint perfect, to least practicable.
Sir Join N'EVPOitt said, ilea he did not find
that there was ally oprositiou from any quarter to
the appointment of a Committer. In that Colo-
suture lie hoped to see the principle of the. Bill
strictly preserved, fur lie would slot hesitate to ex-
press his decided conviction, that if the principle of
the law were abandoned, it would work irreparable
injury to Irelaisd. He had heard the evident which
this Bill hail subverted praised in the House; but
he dill 110 t hesitate to sey, that that system was
pregnant aids muck mischief, and that it operated
to the injury of Ireland. Ile thought it ass. rather
hard, before the measure had a fair total, to sug-
gest difficulties that had not occurred, mod to anti-
cipate effects that had not followed it. It had, in-
deed, been stated, Met some difficulties had toe-
carred in some comities. fa answer he could as.
serf, Ilea in iniuty other counties no (I.lsculties
whatever ley iu the way of the Bill, stud it 'operated
beneficially for the public interests. The Home
should bear iu mind, that the Bill was intro-
slimed on nu oidivary gra tttttt Is ; it had been
recoruniended by the necessity of the ease ; the
plass was submitted to the consideretion of r COM.
',titter of the House, end lie *mild say, that ho
Committee who had e'er sat upon a public guess.

•
tern, and lliu'ul,ru tic disitiuctly 'fated, that some
stepsshould br, adopted to remove them. He con-
ceived that the Miloi,ter iris boom, to gee his
opinion, lo support the prepeot law, *ace-
'lolled as it wss by the !show% of a Committee—
c.olled for as it hied been by the corcutortooriers
of the country—sod IntrotisaCo.d 10 at Was by
persons tonoirOteil with the. Aolministr:ltion. He
would deplore tlor recurrence to the old "lysteut art
u greet public guid'o, 11111 r —it would give encourage-
went to those who had profited by it, and it would
blast those hope% that elitertuitstri of the
benefits to be derived limn hue evistong
Mr. DsvriuN W4lllll, 'holt this 0111191-1:1 ern' dnoda

would wider go a fall iiii:esiigatioir w the Cur:init.
tee: Ile had no portislity to the old hystrai—but
where matrodnients wire tieceskary, no opposition,
he presumed, would hr made to thew.
The motion was then put and carried, that ri
Committee should hr apponited to consider r.f the
effects of the Grand Jury Act *of last titli)lo[l,
With reference to the execution of the 4411111 P.
Jr.A V. EtTZecits now as the minion Will

decided, • lie hoped the llonae would alluw him to
make a few observatiolis; the !louse would do
lints the jisstire to say„ that sin exprtsiuss of his
was intended, or did in tact treCCI 1111011 the
Isish Gentry, but it was true that objections were
inside to thelrASUre by many Centlemess is
merely becisose they were ignorant of it ;
it was, he thought, too fevrre that the law rlassula
be opposed merely because it was not understood,
and it was not understood Isecatise it was not read.
As to the state of the pui-lic roads, upon which so
much had been said, lie bad the autlicnity of
the Postmaster-General in Ir•lisisd (Lord Ross),
for eiving a contrary account of them. It was,
lie thought, a gloss inconsistency iii thole who
supported the old system, that they acknow-
ledged the principles of the new law ; they ac-
knowledged that it 'eel tight that no work
should he presented that was not found to be
necessary—that nu money slieuld he paid away
that bad nut been strictly accounted fur—and
though they paiorgyrized the old later. under which,
it is sand, Ireland had flourished, yet not one of
these features could be found iu that law—no fea-
tures but those of deformity—no principles but
those of oppression—tau operation but that of pub-
lic mischief And 'whin: distress could he found in
the system %sisals the country had condemned, and
wiiich they wish. d again to resort to.
After \Jr. F IizGERALD concluded, the names
of the Committee were then read at the table.
Mr. Dom:slice BRoLVNE moved that the Peti-
tion from the County of Mayo, against the Grand
Jury Law, might be ratite(' to the
Agreed to.
Sir HENRY PARNELL moved that a Petition he
had presented, might be referred to the considera-
titan of the 114111 e Committee.—Agreed to.

Men at ite other silk to st y that they wc,;•t, ho; in pnase....adt
of An 111 e facts that wield enthiace (sitar oulau,irragis....l—•

but be wank' he happy to answer early question, a, he c.a.
',tiered it his duty toper every iieformatiimiti his power His
object, lie 11,1111, was 11/ bring is 41 $lll 11l egrylf into exec's' tun
the engagements which the French bad entered auto wills
British stilleete. la die year 1815, the French Cl{llVerll.
melte undertook to isoleusatfk British sallajeras (as well as
others) as la cretin' elawns which they had Iry tint Governs
meet; add it was oil Out 'Kristina agreed that a aunt of
seventy millions of byres alistuld lw pat it'll" OK halals of
.Cummissioners appointed foot that purpose, last le fond
towards the diarleu.gc of those colaims. Fru* Mat pet tod
.up to April, itflti, it appears ;hat a bed, of Geo,
fifty to 'cagy willoota of lon,* list been ptled eat') by
the Continis.tiniers to beiitilaituo of the darieiit tallilot
that had beta made. I:maim h.; chimes leaf Lean oval, ,
emanating to Iw-tweets ilo, ty and fusty milltinis of hate ,
and these ekI'IRII liege l'l4Slttl•tled. Ii WAS NUltd, 111.1i•I,r
dischisrge Ottawa claims avail,' Palm :he French Gala:4l,lmin a
considerable lime, perhapa nut less thau seacii years. T...:
British Garesmnent, acting upon the same principles wile
the other Powers of Eurupr, tilt that it wauld I* tor the
general iittereats of all polies to sister into a negotiation
with the French Guyer unient, and In acerept of a round i 0411.,
to be ascertained from the best and fsite:et estimate that
could be made, in lien of the Claiffia of "Le d,0.-rent Cr.'
throe. This was its all halals COll,l le,rel tlw mast beast.
heist, awl much mare preferable It' the keeping an open "te•
count with the Freirch Government, which arch! lead ti.
differences and inibowlerstandings that at we, a. sir I to OWitill.
The House, he sail, could net bare a clear or ullfliplt 4..
proof of lila liberal split whirls guided the Posers of
Elsner' in ill their 11.1414/011, that a siec:tctation of 11114
mature, cuticeived upon this principle, cot. :.1 he Bronchi to
a conclusion an full and so fum picot., wit bunt one Oti.il'el 1-..1
lieincr made, or uir.: complaint helot heats' et: Irer fu OM Ilir
respective Goveutruettis concerns-a, or fr italiss titst4l,l,
whuse claims constituted the subject of that neg. riot ono
It was, however, fair lo state that many drill ',aka
lay in the way to a final arrangement--Mlienlti. a, aloha 0,
so very great, that if it had nal been for the imerferesico
of a distsieguightal character, to whom the couetry is so
J teply indebted —he meant the Duke of Welanaitat—tt
would have been difficult to say when the agree oleo! woo I:I
have been concluded He took this complicated transaction
into his bandit, and acted not merely on behalf Mille Pi dish
creditors, but the creditors of the de/fervid other Si- -s.
The Demob GOVI•1/1111.311 had tau Treaties on tilts ,-;:hj , r
with France—Use fir•l on the prate of Arfllett`t ; tae it C." li
When, with Use other Powers, we entered 1.00 lire Coo.
ventiou in July, 1414. By the first Conseati .41 it wt.,
aa;recil that three niilliosts viol a half of name shun ii
be granted by the Frisch Government, which wuul.l I a
equal to a capital of seven millions. Between tit v
and sixty mllliuns of liens had been paid away ; air: 4
was agreed that n large sumo should he named, in oto;e:
to close all accounts lactweru the French Guverunte •t
and their different creditors. Sia stollen, ate, liug was ' -ti-
mated as the satiafaetion of the Britt- k rreiiih.e..
in this proceeding it was stretasary 111 Ilia some risk, mere
or less, Lut wider all the eacunistances, it was by lbw la r
wisest course to pursue—by far the moat imliefactury to t a
creditor., and the mast desirable in every point of view to
the different Gortrumeals. 'IW adjust those claims WO.,
he slid, the object of tlw present Bull. Many quest Mom brad
arisen during the seithanetit of the Camay:lima, of c 'us.-
derable importance. Thus, it was to Ise derided, iv i.ettier sub-
sidised hoops were to he pr..v.ilcd fur like min. prissinei is
of war. The acconsit of the permits, thus empioved was so
extremely cumplicatt it, that it could nut be considerel a fair
and just our. The consequence was, that aa • ms on this
bead were given up. That was uut a "taker tic, of ally eel y
solvent claim pi eferred by the Guys:alumni of the. i,eint...,
oti that of France. He mow webbed to turn else alit 111..,
of the House, but still more the attentiuti of the cati•ttr•.,
to a particular part of thuse claims. In sluing iii, Ist' 4
nut mean to cast any eensaire on the rhea of eiliterrrni
to whom he was alepitt to allude. Bat, as they ail
knew that great spec illations were now :.fins', and iiehe
'Waal., fur the put pose of making a Kew,. t profit, ss, te.
perhaps vesting their motley in furriga fib J., it 14111.31.!
GOVerilloPlll t:ndinctly to aisle, 631 the CO1111I• :ill Ili.. e!1/.. ir
in this instance, tit those whose property Ind L. en s.qiic--
trated ill the Freuch feuds, was 1101 r 10641.1 10 .'l"1. .10 I.', . r
recognige a general Itrisac,ple of grantitar rel., 111 /.1111:.
lar caws. Government vit.hed to discourage any mom,.
which might have been entertained, that, became City had
taken up this particular case, (bat, therefare. they »lac
to interfere upon all similar occasions.--a(llx-tr, keur.j—
They had no such Oltenia /a; and they wunlil not nal: she
peace and tranquillity tit the Slate by email tic their it—
fluence on such a subject ill foittre.—: 1 rear, hear )-111k..5,
who vested their mom y its fureigu funds must lurk foe ea-
curdy in the credit and lamest), of those States oath a lams
they had dealiugs.--(feer)—The power of ibis c .uut, v
would not be applied to procure them retinas-110 y inhst
rely nil Ilse probity of those whom deny hosted in the lit.:
iustauce.--illeur, hcar.)—The claim in this iustiacee oats
peculiar; its arose ant of the 'Fumy of 176 d. I:y iltot
Treaty, those who purchased ill the French finials wive It. la.!
allowed a autficient time to sell out, after war was dechor,t.
The conduct of the French rulers, in 1793, was us de-
.leasance ut this Treaty, and the property of British atihjeios
was sequestrated. Guretninent, at the Peace ut Amiens,
thought it necessary to interpose ig their behalf—and the
faumlation of the present claims, 'Heel, arose in 181r4, era,,
at kisossiedgeil. Stipultitiuno were about in Le entered into
for a restitulem of raw property, when war sznin broke mit.
The interest of the yolks rentanted in alit, 111110e11.01 Wilt:
tall the Treaty of I',,a itt, in 11514, and it was then deem' it 111.-
ccasaari to maim an effort for the settlement 'tithe Mistress,
at the same time that care was taken nut to east: the > ti, ccss
of the measure lay offerina II proposition of 100 Crt il: :as
extent. Tlw Trealy of 1814 laid nut made much pragit.••,
when the return of Bonaparte led to a ieurwal of Ilse aka.,
seal Bre steguciation aas put in end 10. Its lairs, it acts Lie
(Lord Castlerrag We) with, alma tli P:111., to price iLia
transaction tin such clear and iota Itigitile g,uuuda, that nu
doubt could be entertaitied of his propti.itmo being ear-
iitti into execution. From the )rar 1815, to Ala 11, 1518,
such progress was made, as reudered the ultimate sue.
eras of his negheititieu it:most erriaiu ; hut, ilwieah of
having Commissiunera and au arbiter, for he p•rposa
of adjudicating the claims of the different pirtee., :la
was Originally rearmed, a specific sum was given to ili a
count. y, and Cuomms.auers were to be appoi n I ed AO .list,..
Gate it as circumstances might wartatit. "Eliest ...at. .he
ou:y topics be thosight it necessary to touch upmesseatid La
abuold now move—

" That leave be given to bring in a Bill, to nahle the
Commissioners appointed by hi* Majest:•, to app -I our. to
persons having claini% on France, i.um ieeeiviii by
British Gosernment, (cum Ffaucc, mulct. the Couvutiouil
the 2blh of April, 1818."
Mr. Tittßiscir said he not
motion, at the same time that he slid lint pledge 1111640 t
any precise line vii cmichiet iu future. With iespec I to
Commissioners appointed, he bad the pleasure of know,itz
them, and no men had ever conducted thentatlves wnh ra.-,
piobity ur mtept.ily than they hint door, wheel emp.os..l
un a former occasion. He considrriil it was vin fori II.:
fur the Bs itivh creditor that he hiss to submit Its skimoor:
to of counts), Matt ml i.f
with Fri or,h Cinumoialutierv, who, from the l'f.l y 111