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Ittferred to tier Committee on Foreign Trade.

Doctor Pll I LLI MORE obtained leave to bring in n Bill
to alter and amend she Marries, Act.
Sir T. B. LETHBRIDGE moved fur leave to bring in a
Rill lu eurbile Trustees of Cherilable Fuundations to alienate
lauds sod teneeteists belungiug to their trust, by way of ex.,
change for others of ((pal ur pelter value.
Misr • short conversation, is which Mr. IVROTTPLItIr
mid Mr. DAIMIPORT took part, leave was given.
Sir J. N F. vl. roft-rref she delay isi returning
from Ireland certain papers which he had most d fur, and
ought to have brew Mere above a mouth hark, and gave
notice that if they were net ea she table of the House by
this slay fortnight, he should wove that she S. rrrtsry of the
Customs iu liclassd (we Wises) be called to the bat of the
Mouse.
VAGRANT LAWS.

Mr. CIIETWVND ruse to make the motion of which he
had given Notice, on the subject of the Vagrancy Lary, which
he gaol reqwired, in • preuliar degree, the attention of the
Huse, the waisty rates tbrungliniil the kingdom having
recently increased to an alarming ixti tit, and pressing with
particular force upon the agrieult iat ■t this period of se-
einsiulated distress. The clime of vagrancy bed becuise ant
only a disgrace to the pulite of the euentry, but &near/irate'''.
public aussauce. According lu Returns made to the Hulse
°dice, and which would be ►ho.tly before the Muse, no less
a 611111 s►an 58,805 i. had been expended in the several Min-
liar of Great Britain, in maintaining and passin4 vagrant.
in she sear 1820. The principle on which the Vagrancy Laws
were fuunaled, " That every persists who was able and willing
to labour could Mod work," was no longer true, and the pe-
culiarities uf the times bad giveu rise to %afloat. dtscrlytious
of vagrants, orate of whom required the greatest attention
and consideration. There was, huvre‘er, owe elms of them
mach to be dreaded, enusisting of able bodied peisuas,
grrgaleil together in loilgiuthomes of a must vicious Jr.
script ion, frosts which they i.sated in t►e twain te serial about
enact the pretence of seeking for employment its parts of the
country where they knew none sa as to be found, time real object
being plunder, and ea...ruing iu the evening by agreement to
the piaci a front whence they art out in the morning% there to
divide the booty they hail acquired lu the course of the day.
Thom premier, whew 'lnvest to the last extremity, tainatilleil
an act of vagrancy, for which the y were appreheuded sod
passed home to their parishes, bring snaintrained is the
mean time by the parishes through which they were passed,
without doing say weik at all, and woo alter their arrival
at their destioetion they made their escape, aid 'whined to
their foresee course of life. Thus it &mend, happmsed,
and many instaaces ►ad come le his knowledge, thalUse
same persons were passed twenty or thirty times, aid even
',Note. The 110 n. Gentleman then prtrceuJ.d to mime.
rate the several statutes which had been (waded relative to
this subject, (rum the bib Edward 111. among which was
. one, 324 Henry Yllf. which punished with death sturdy

Sir R. WiLson rose to postpone a
respecting Naples, to the e6►th front ti
fur which day it rood. He wished, however,
he filed It for the elfilt, as it aits a motion
importance, to prevail on his Hon. Fr
Hama) to postputter emotion of his which otarmi
the 9.6 th.
Mr. Hums said, that the motion he
mit fur lease to bring in ■ Bill for the
of the Ordnauce Departmeut, was one
derahle public importance. He had no
to let tl.e motion of the gallant General
cedruce, but he reserved to himself ,
afterwards gots% on with his own motion.
The motion an. accordingly postponed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEI
some esplauation to the galLut General k
to lino (Sir tt. Wilmot) upon a cotiveraation
had passed between him and the gallant
relative to mooing of grain. We undenonod
Right Hon. Genileinsii to admit, that --
two 1w had recollected some co►umul
Mg taken place which he had, on the slight
tiou, out besot able to remember.
Sir R. WILSON said. that he could
worthy of a *tut 10 that House of he had
under the implied imps nu iota of the Rt.
mat., deriving, as it did, Mcreasing weigh
high personal character. He had them
sodded that as woes as the tflecta.f
rimy on the part of the Right Hon.
through which be hail been led to char:
H. Wilsoiii, by implicaion at least.
of confideiicr, the reflection of the ,
Gentleman, Ins general candour and &inn
small &niece hint to do all act of justice
the im.p►ession which he had caused.
candour and liberality of the Right
meat prevented I nom bong surprised
having perfumed that act of join
prompt and handsome manner in oi
dune it deinantled his (Sir R. Wilsou':
The CH►NCELLOR of the Exca,
ihat hr 111C‘frt could have depigtie.l
the gallant General ally thing so discredit
breach of confidence.
Mr. Hums postponed his motion;
for Monday the 46th, to Thursday the
He gave notice of a motion for having
detail. of the yearly Estimate laid
House.
AUSTRIAN LOAN.
M►. ROBERT SMIIN roar, pursuant
Aim which he had glees:, to call the stiensem
House to the state of tile dt bi due fi I
this euuiitry. He briefly related the
wider which the original debt of
been incurred, His Imperial
Itiwarir lit the most solemn aartatert to.b.chrrge
such time era to prevent it female cantos '
lesst degree as additioit to the Csiusei
tl.e British people. Ile umitco:k t.

'lab of St. Gower*
we camiablee, aadk
end varseele, drama
tareiy-threa V.. I
tenure eimpleped by , )-
•pprehreabettrM.
I as illetettette• at
t its the last roaster
through the e•eafy
the comity had tae
vaereetter pawl.
r alibis she casaty,
eft, Mr. Wrotteeloy,
If
r loatiut arta &viva
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3outtli a the Re-
otieett, left oie hated I .
a the years ISM,
each 'ear. Ala..
cad eat of the mod
▪ h.aether with tbe
ter which they were
rd their Lordships'
esti averred eclair 4
e that he wooed me
be greettd ler its*
m motion of hie,
it the *Yds met.,
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motion wrest
on. Froend (Me.
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elf the right ul
nation.
Iposied.
:meting& offered
General oppinate
aversateun which tp
gallant General
unstersh.od tl c t
that upon rt. 11.-
muniention hubs
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Id not have been
✓ had been bariq
Rt. Iln. Geal..-
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the Rigid Ilan..
fairtatai, *wild
tier by removing
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surprised ut hi
'Llstlee, but the tl
he had a
101•
I'l thanks.
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"tom A credit of 4001.mui to be iosefilied
SOO/. immediately adiranted. Since '
pence hod been paid, nor had any
been inside by Austria upon the
raising of the dividends had fallen
public. and .11 that Austria had
the parchment and piper Alpott
pteitelitiittia oi
of Esigksfsl. ;The debt had gone on ...
uptilimiLit had rise* to 17,600A0004. This,
rineilfingobsiVe of theilebi, was an aim'
loom fords! count/ & one oiflion. He remerke
00 lheStiong Insiguage made is of by Ma Pitt
t the. gime. of - - the debt. _ Wlimossleol

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hill for that purpose was introduced, Mr. Pitt oh.
servedd that the limn would be solemnly made by
Attittria Liu the face of the wcrld. and especially
Vetere the eyes of all Europe. Thai it was im-
possible that A ',stria, forgeitiog jounce, and honour.
and good faith, could ever break the conditions In
whieblhe had agreed. That it was her constant
policy to have recourse to loens, and that having
'um,' the necessities she 'night be suhietterl to
is floOltet she would not be likely to forfeit the
cauldrons of the Continental States hy any
breach of 'leer engagement. To this Mr. Fox
had espremed his dissent. and very much ques-
tioned the ability sod disunities of Austria as
to any repayment. And, it was then he made
that celebrated pintatioa from she dielogne of
/yrs. Amelia in thel plaY, who nbsetved, that with
tirt I iditni of the Court she never had two wattle:
atsint the price—AI their dieareratent was as tio.i
thip447 of pigment. When the Howe observed'
thenseitiphird distresses under 'which the coantryh
labotre&—.hen the burdens of bastion were so'
Ortiltstly admitted, and their effects were so oh-;
--silieptratruers considered shot they were do- .
ieg londlordo•liassuse by continuing to caltivate
their ratetwasstehmassnates were aeteally cultivated
(nit ofltfts *Ohd belle farmer. it would be a
e'sttiontan7Ste let. it 'would be a proof to their
constituents of their detetatiwation to do every
thing tar the celief of the country. if they were to
claim the fulihneirt of a bowl the validity of which
was undisputed. The repayment of that loan
would operate materially 'to the reduction of the
difficulties coder which the country laboured. It
wait getterally .admitted that this reentry was in a
state of great distress. Was that the ease with
Aaavrie 1. 'Psi, Out the reverse true ? Did lint her
twinkle extend over all the fertile plants Of Verse-
tier) ;.inr7fretrfe..? Did it not reach as far as Gallicio.
ift.riste ited fleurgery, on nue side, and as far as
obeli on another ? Austria hid besides the •
glettteet. potions! treasure of any Potentate of
EtiMpte. She had received six millions as her
vfrarie. of the contributious of France. She liwl,
I;teides Iter—beredatary revenuer', she fruits of that
enitmis of eatenio* whir-lai* practised upon the
Italian Statep—a systeja,ststsirts would induce a
Relief '&4 the ithiteder..of tier subjects was the
only' 644, of )otia,Flletiferninent. A ity ides,
therefnre, of shiputige her resoure es was
hy then w.ro, she not called
opop for paymeat.k' Why ant thus far relieve the
hawks, of the people of .Esslassel, ,mhieliitad been
impaired opt them 40 pelleore for her those very be.
vefitr ? fle had s' stronger ',roof then any which
had yet adduced of the improved state of the
tines es of Austria. The Court I;essette of Novem-
her 11.11. rsio. mitiounced, among oilier things, 11141
rhe• public- debt was gnarly dileharged ; that not
only the greater porti ofthe old debt *as
liqus-
dicetl, but that a considerable part of the new debt
dr....Rona riff. Tbe House lied a right so ask if the
I.;hlet-oid laid P 44 in any claim for payment me
liehelf of Great Britain? Some lerrangetwut hod
berti'nistre ors tempted, ma duabt ; he merely whit-
ed so know if it was so; for if not, the money DV
this country would be employed in earlyingon those
mwratimis sigeiust Naples, to suppress which, when
A Ur.tiia was threistetied with sunder viuleuce. the
money bad been lent to her. The Parliament
of that day had thought it their 'bounden duty
"eiposi foreign aggrerei to, to succour those States
which were engaged iu struggling against it ;
to. encourage 61,111` valour, and excite their utmost
ha'rrel and resistance to unprincipled invasion..
l'utriug out of the opers.iuti the distressed state of
the enuatry. mud supposieg the treasure as great
as dirt um...roiled by Austria, whirls he believed the
gyrate,' in Europe, the payment of shut loan ought
tin he demanded, lest it should go Cott' to Europe
tlytt Great Britain was a party to those measures itt
• hich Austria ores at preiseut engaged ugMlist
Naples. 114viiig strewn that Austria enjoyed a
great revenue. and ample enemas in all revpros to
pay; he fond still another argument in favour of
compelling her, in her ability tre go to war, in winch
she hod declared herself as the patron of a system,
opposing orhi. It Great Britain had spent so much
loiwel and treassire. lie readied d ley moving—
. " That shyer be laid before dm Horse copies or entrants of
corttlenotiesilsson whirls have oaken ogee b,twrra his Mt-
lettis:* Gurovvoravut aril the G ..... snout of Amnia. au tie
et they reliant to th. repaynsenl of certain awns of stoner
rem te-Amtits emir. the Competitive+ ot. rros and 1797."
v
LootiCdn't LUIZ 46 it said, that though 'Mune sense
the soon of 17.000.550u1. 6441 beets incurred thripugh
the licctiniulation of intese.t. the ostAinal loan was
tru4 4 11100,u00/. lie It.Hl uo taljeuttall to the pro-
ductun of the papers. nine's would be the forst jar-
l•kiFetteete of hid Xlaj-iety's Alinisteis. Though the
imesery was riot ye: land, the claim woo in lug vigour.
illunuuralite klruilfer ir.reined to dunk that
Illitni!teer should hive mule spown..rous coin_
Lofoten( to the 11-• ice upon the sulejec . The
repres w.m!il tieisfactur.ly accuuut fur the cooduct
of tiq r clad the House the the
led t.ce.i uiuv.tl Sot sir eilother place in 1816.
I:Litli;quesiion was sited upon that and
IS AY discussed, and the result was 'het the H iuse
was' convinced, that although Alpe de,bt, Tag 'till ilue,
chem. ts-s us 41i.ar r,l.igh could attach to Go-
vereatteut ou the se:rimiest+, jie hketeitlf, it the a
ICltod, Widen opportunity Of esplaititug the circuom-
iitlicr• /se Ile iircipto!ed tinv Lit the meet-
;kg farts it was is.. dull reed d Austria mud Prinoies
Oiler l'owers liatssurteorieg tin Imam of the s'rullifle
doyiwg thewar. 6041 laripg itatpmewel w far thaitaciilly
di:4lol4rd. neve &tweed by flu.aie cud laushioul
lo lakie.on advance Oint r Ilse Frvuele eAttributintos,
hlthit .40Ccutost Iced fate s Sohuecistesoly arranged.
bioceOiat penuat an elf iri hod been mad( to
realiaa smart of t t'i'nt. 4nt Austria, wasich
hadjarsersd.untojeryreefnl. would not go iota
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garrison,. phrased required the fall fame there sta-
tiono4*lre kept asp. The number of stoops
.then' eh for England and Ireland would be
48.330. Deduct 17,611 wee, the amount of the
iregtineres of guards, which were a force slot di!.
reliable for foreign or coloniel service—deduct also
the 10,000 men proposed by the,Hon. Gentlemen,
there would be lift a disposable.foree for the tee
countries of 20,809 men. After reasoning upon
the 'inadequacy of this force. be proceeded to
comment on the condoct of the. lien. Member
for Aberdeen the other night. lie erbeervert that
the We. Member was • much better ineporter of
Minister. than himself (Mr. If. Wiiiiii), for
that by his conduct he made the noose rally
rimed the Noble Lard (Crortlereigh4 .
Mr. MAClfetraloo explained.
Mr. N. CaVraits thetalshat there aught to be
a reelect' . Gibraltar woo noose to England. It
cot 'belt a minaret arierually. and during the war
Anti, a million; it was no harbour. and ildicl lint
1 even commend the nitaulb of the Mediterranean.—
The lowan Isles uteri slicked/ expensive. It
.would be a relitCise-lihprouroky Woe could get rid
;of these two dependencies. He would have the
tmesehold troops reduced to oiteshalf their present
number. Their use on every idle occasion, eve,'
when g few boys created a tumult, lie conceived to
be very improper; they were a mere substitute fur
1 the police not many occasion,.
Mr. Hone said, that with respect to Gibraltar
and the lonian Isles, he would not givelheur up ;
but he would make the Institut blend, keep their '
own framer. A. to the jeer of -the genera Officer,
that be (Mr. home) 'hewed Isitrelf the best friend
or the NobleUrd, if ends{ tl,Noble Loud knew
..
his real iuterertr, be was hie, best friend. Let the
Noble Lord only take his advice—pet hum consent
to reduce the establishments ii• 'be (11r. Hume)
would point out, sod he would be tuiswerable that
nothing could shake the authority of the Noble
Lord—lie would he fixed more firmly in his place
than any Munoset %who had preceded Iton, Rat if the
elerervat ion of the gallant General intpitedany slopes.
don on him because of the condocir‘which he hid
pursued its that House, or if it was meant to
insinuate that by that conduct he strengthetsed the
support of the Noble Lord, he tuna pass by say
sods observatoore with disdain. There was nothing
in his conduct which could lead so such sin Ude-
Nile*, and he was well contest to him the master
Witte country to deviile upon.. . If then. was any
-olltiug reprehensible in the Procerdeogisof that eight,
it ettioated to one pary as well as ostler. It wen
the resistance of the Noble Loed.ared his friends.
which wad blameable in that eves, and not those
who opposed hint. - They (meaning himself awl his
Hon:Friends) were the rewrote pasty on that
eight.— ( Loard Iterghter, sad eri of " Hear.")—
Ile would prim it. Was it reasonable to go to
bed at a proper hour of the night ? Was .it
reasonable In the Noble Lord to invite upon having
money valet by millions alter one o'clock in the
morning ? tie had been aged how he could think
of comparing 1792, which was a period of perfect
tranquillity with the present period ? The gallant
General had stated as a moon for keeping up
the present force, that our intergirece might be
necessary in the south of billy. The Noble Lord
had very properly corrected him. controverted his
assumption, sad declared that lie would not
keep a single soldier on foot with a view to
any thing likely to he done iu Italy. But let
4he House ebserve the state of Frisuce. which
was now tranquil. Would any one say that
the year 1792, a year or two before Mr. Pitt found
it necessary so introduce strong measures to prevent
the progresss of the principles of revuluirooary
France, was a period of profound tratiquillity ?
With respect to India. what was the practice ? He
had seen regiments relieved in India, and he could
state to the House diet not tell men returned home.
It was not *their wish to do sie and be agreed with
the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Palmerston), that
men having trilieted fur a particular regiment,
about(' not be afterwards forcibly drafted nolo a
different one. He would like to set a relief every
ten years. But what be stated was a matter of
fact, that. comparatively, very few returned home:
the officers, the stria'. arid the colours came home,
but very few of the soldiers. 11l ;saint of fact,
they should leave out of the case the relief fur IQ-
di4—aiiil if so. what is the consaqueirce ? After
the reduction of 10,000 men, there would be still
39.000 disposable troupe, leaving 4,000 fur a relief;
therefore the proposition or the genera General
was quits untenable, because the a bole system
(does round iu a circle, and it would, according to
that Platt, be ten years (otiose the meo that returu
would go out again. He via. peifectly satisfied
dust the numbers of men staled was quite tome.
tutus. Having staled co much, lie would beg to
call the attention of slue thou e to the otillrinclils
that lied been ma lc, iu order to induce them to
tome to so large a vote; for it 'SOS important
that the Meuse should be tionleceived. and shot
these illusions should be mowed by which the
Iwo Noble Lords opposite had endeavoured to
indueliee the minis of lloionie.ble Members;
bad in 4OLICI to this, he would wish to call their at-
tention to some tounobrist which he should State.
Of the "immortal gals or past events," he should
say nothing. but on a few plain sinteinetots of
al ithoonsi ic he ass piepal rd to meet the Noble Lord.
—/d totilit.)—That Noble Lord lied entered iota
a variety ofdeteiae of the extraoidirrary savings io
tire eureesinestriat, B•sracks. mod utascr d•part.
meet.. But thew were merely statements sad
roptundatet, without any real retre.oclione ot ; fur
i.o Umiak year there was an iocreere of upaurde of
200,0001. 111 the barrack department, and the No-
ble Lurd take* great credit to mussel( fur reducing
that increase 145,0044 ; vu that in truth and fact
it is merely a redaction nf is system of espeuditure
that ismer 'humid Issee heels iocureed. Ac-
) coedit% ptAlre Estipastes of the last year, the
I expenditure of u waterers battalion is, 31,500/.
. if they are redUCtde Abe trireme of the officers is

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they plaetestipsisch reltaiiee on the Faience Com. I
mime-vie buret memo supports them. He would i
now call the attention of the House to the opituoue i
of both the Noble Lords opposite, acid of he sins- i
steed them, lie hoped they wuelit correct him The
only two relmons he could collect from their 1
speeches to justify this enormous expense, were,
the foreeervattott of the public tranquillity. and
the protection of the Colonies; but lie would
add, that they should have taken into their consi- i
deratioti the cosnparative state of the country at the
two ;orioles that had been amnestied. lie gorilla
whop, for sake of argument, and that weuld be
sufficient far his purpose, trio they were in an ,
equal condition; but they were quite different. and
no man would compare the state (Otitis courery
in 1792 with its present condition, rood say that
we could not better do without trlietliS .00%. that
then.—(Hear, hear. 1 —T he Hon. Gentleman tines
adverted to the local militia of Cello's and Cc.
nada, for a tetursa of which he meant to move
toentorrow.—(Hear, hear, nod a /4'904—11e ,
could not think that • 'lngle good cause could
he resigned for keeping up such a large force store.
The Noble Lord teed with great triumph a long
Ist of retrenchment in I°lyusouth, Portamiluili,
Jersey, Goertisey. Hull, noel various other places.
and assigned the new work. that were going forward .
as a ground for the expense. But this prupoiition
of the Noble Lord was quite as 'nonwhites all his
others. With respect to the sluices to be defended
at Wrrdou, lie would be glad to know what number
of meta are employed there ? A serjeaste• guard,
he believed ; but he would admit an officer's gullet!.
tin eissigti, and eighteen men, and still there were
6,000 ID be accounted for. He coutended tied
they were not wanted, and by keeping up the
veteraus aniii reducing the regiments a considerable
saving might be effected. He would appeal to the
candour of soy 04m in 014 House, whether these
trors ereenesolearehle of performing any at uty,
mid they colll4 Isse,ept with half the expense.
Was it therefore Tait-to infer that reduction and f
ecoonmy had been attended to? But there sea one
point which he had forgotten on the former wee-
emu, whieh opon inquiry he found to be a matter •
of great importance--he 'pellet the disembodied
Irish indium. from • Return, dated the 24th of
June, signed the War-office, he found that there
were 38 regiments, 1,000 officers, 285 companies,
18.869 privates, exclusive of the Staff, Adjutants,
Quarterm were, Peyinasters, and so forth. Here
them was a body of 20,000 men. disembodied, et is
true, but ready to he called out on any occasion.
Add to this the cavalry and nifautry. sod you have
230,000 men in arms, or ready at least at any am-
meld to be called out. Would any man theta sup-
port a Government that would persevere in smelt a
system ?—/ Cheers j—and Wetly man would summit
the vote of 200,000 men that teed, mud abet wards
come forward to complain of agricultural distress,
the answer should be this, 4‘ You have iso reason to
complain of the distress, for you have voted in
support of the extravagance and expenditure of
the public money."—(Lord cheers./—He. there-
fore, sincerely trusted, that no man who valued the
prosperity of his country. world support the tin.
teasonable demand of the Noble Lord. It had
been raid that, in supporting a military eats-
blisliment, three things were to be taken into
consideration--economy, efficiency. and augments-
time He thought lie had said enough to persuade
any mats, whose mind we* open to conviction, to
vote for the reduction of 10,000 men. But the
Noble Lord di claimed, in u most extraordinary
manner, any comparison with 1792, and the
prevent time. Theta he said that no estimatea or
accounts were kept regularly, that all was irregu-
larity. Was it to be expected that the Noble
Lord should describe Mr. Pitt's system jai that
manner ? He (Mr. Hum.) considered it a re-
flection on every MO who was then connected
with public affairs. He would state what he
thought might be saved. In the Comosissmist
424.0001. being use fourth of the present espendi-
tore. lii the Military College 16,0001. The Asy-
lum 25,0001. and various others, amounting in the
COMM of a )ear to upwards of 100,0001. The Hon.
Gentleman then alluded to the appointment of new
commissions in the army. and stated, that since
1816, the Duke of York lead appointed new cones
tantalums to the number of 11,005; whereas, had
he raised the officers from half-pay. it would have
been a saving of 61,0001. ; so that in fact the patro-
nage of los Royal Highness the Duke of York
cost the couutry all that money. And surely there
are none for show such consideration should be
felt as foe the half.pay officers, destined is they
are, after endangoing their lives in the service of
their 'enmity, to starve out au existence on a mist•
table pittance. their military ardour checked, and
all the floe qualities of their stature damped, red
alinaot extinguished, by the measures of the Noble
Loral opposite. Had it mot been for that &dist-
meet Bill, their fainiliee might enjoy their half-
pay, sod they thermielves would turn, as their dues
poetic/10 would naturally lead them, to sup-
port die priticiples of freedom. against the in-
rm.!, of tyranny and oppresation.—(Hear, heer4—
If au officer on half-pay have the wisfoituue (tor
such it is in his case) to many, and have a family,
drpracd by his haltita front various employuseuto,
d. barred by that abominable Eialistuiesat Bill from
reekoog other occupations, he ea doomed, perhaps
perpetually. to (budge out a miserable exiviletter.
Ile eltraukl conclude by ettorreatoic au anklet hope
that the ilosibe would euppoet the motion fur tile
reduction of the mamba:is, for in pruportiou as the
euttibs is of men were reduced, be it ever so small,
HI the eastelioportiou would the expellee be d •-
malted. He had to upolueise to the House for 4b...
CIIIIIng so much of their time—(Hear, hear)—"!
and lie begged to state. that its opteikeig of these
various offices, he tureut nu disrespect to any
miaow, couttected with them. It was of the whole
ateatetti lie cusephatteeti, mud lie thought that House
11101 Slut out ;tedious their duty to the country if
t!:ey did not put a check to that system, yid

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1817 declared that the expense could am be reduced
lower than it is, awl if fireguards were to be remo-
delled to-nmorrow, they would not be it greater ex-
pense than • battalion of the line. With respect to
the chillier of Areas, too, much had been said. that it
was public ',matey throws sway. Bat any Maw 11W-
quaioted with military straits must koaw, that any
change of dregs falls upon the Colima of the nee
'ew, and not upon the public.—(Hear, hear. 1—
So much nu the score of ecouomy. and now fur she
wriest of efficiency. The objectiou to them is. thin
they are unfit for foreign service. Even if tine
were true, all it anawswed to was 'his. that thee
were slot capable of performing that which was in-
feuded that they should perform. But this be denied.,
witness their reivices in Egypt and America. There
was nothlng in their constitution or character that
could render them unfit for foreign service, NAM
the regiateut to which he had the homier of be-
lopging, they had been three times replenished.
When he heard it said that they were ioefficient, he
thought it his duty as a prefemional mat to get up
and deleted them.—(Hear.)—With respect to the
insinuation of idle parade, he would soy, that the ,
returns of their duty woulticlesely demonstrate that
they had very hsr4 labit, more severe than the 1
troops of the how, Ili
..rt it was too severe foe
when any occurrence of public emergency took
pilaw... tall hod tet retrength to peueeren all
their duty. It had been said that dos guar*
have beau considerably increased ; but that is 7
not the case. %Then they were Pint esti-
blished, they were seven battalions; in 179-2, seem*
batteliona. It fret. airy base been very tilde is.
creased. He thought he had shewu soffit iew ly that
the public money was not throws away on idle pm
rade, laud now he teethed to say • few made about
their pay. Alter the arrears are token away, they
have a shilling a day ; 64, of that goes so the toes..
mud no alteration of provisions can effect them.
They heve no adv4suage Irma the low peace of p.o.
Mmoos ; high or low they pay the same. The
ether sixpewie goes to provide shirts, stockings,
pail a variety of other thither, and alter they are alt •
porchaeed, according to the calculations of she most
- economical soldier, there remaius but eirt. to
purchase herr, tobacco, and other luxuries. These
details are very trifling. but they are ssecesuary to
chew the ecotionrical system that is pursued.—s
(Hear, bear.)—Often during a march, the wear
and tear of these things is so great, that the paw
fellow is often is debt. The wily thing taugible
then is the remaining 24. and if any reduction takes
place in their pay, it mu.* be from that fund.
The question of reliefs to oar colonies abroad bad
beets so uhly &awned by the Secretary at War,
that he had no intention to go again auto that',;
but he could not forbear making one °barna*.
on what the lion. Geotleniart had stated. reveille
ing the force in the East likelier, in which he •Veil).
the men were frequently desirous of reinainieg.
which obviated the 'wearily of such frequent reliefs:
but lb" Hon. Member forgot that the officees must
come horsy; they would not be willing to exile
themselves her life; and, therefore, new regiments
must be nut out. It was his opirrioo. that is the
West Indies. instead of ten years, a relief murales
furnished once in five years ; that was his opinion.
but for obvious reasons he would not enter into the
proof. With regard to Gibraltar he might, sopa
military man, have prejudices ; but he knees she
great benefit that was derived front that furtrein,
sr a naval station in time of war; and •he well re-
collected, that Sir James Sausnartz obnioed greet
advantages, by being enabled to get a speedy refit
there.
Mr. N. Cehlritsee observed, that at the time the
Hoo. Member alluded to, we were not in poster-
aim of Melts.
Mr. Gourtsuan said, that he should confine his
observations to she remarks which he had beard,
respecting the force in the colonies. There were
two colonies to which particular objections had
been made—thme were in the Alediterraneen sod
St. Flatus. %Vith respect to the former. it was rely
true that the force there had been considerably is-
creased since 1791; bet it should be recollected.
that at that periud Gibraltar only was garrisoned.
whilst now we were called upon to garrison Malta .
as well as the lonians Islands. In 1794, we had a
garrison of 3,335 writ in Gibraltar alone; awl
when it was considered that the whole force in the
Mediterranean was mow less than 7,000 men, it
could not be considered that the 3,500 men addi-
tional were too much for the new acquisitions.
The other station to which objection had been
made was St. Helens. The object for which we
had a force there, the Home would admit was one
of the greatest importance; arid if there had been
ally degree of over-caution. it was surely peados-
able. The great amount of the force there arose
from the mode in which the individual there was
confined, and from an unwillingness to exercise
andany wmhoicriei
orbesiticeraidutthtehmen
parts of the ialentl—a necessity which would not
to.opBlaceebag°ulordauseliinnecdiearytat.
'Kist if a greater degree of personal restsaiiit were
imposed. With respect to the force required for
the protection of our colonies being paid for by
thenstelves, he would only observe, t*l --Is_ tai pr lion
acquainted with the coloi.ial trade but would sly.
that if this couutry allowed the col • an tea-
restricted trade, they would make tau difficulty to
raising the motley necessary for the auppust of the
hoops whirls they required. The Hoe. Member;
fur Abertleeu said, there were cestaiu coloute►
governed by Il.e Cruall, to which, if you cave the
British Coiratitutime there would be found i 3 theta
use alacrity to provide she stoups necerosey for their
defence. lie wished the lion. Alesulser aril 'tan d
the ;sautes of airy colony which had eshibried
way such desire. One lime. Membe r. who might be
ime.giuerl to speak with some degree of certuisty •
nmpectitig the Cape of Goad Hope. as he had been
lemployed as the eaglet/I'l6u which conquered that
colony, had stated, that the Du ch Gi.verni r
had a garesuir of 5,000 tams, *lack the Gore roor
defrayed the eapflise of, as well as the civil charge,
of lie colouy. That statenteut must he erroneous,
and he should have imagined that the Ilene Meister
fee Aberdeen, could have set that Hun. Lieulleallall
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mks of his own Meatier. but as a proof that Austria It id not been the revenue ; probably the Chancellor of Mee Ex- 7.3141. Takes regiment of the lime, sod redo,' it I
isefilied forestry supposed to be ia dist flourishing state of *wane* I chequer had mare . confidence is it. but irons all the half-pay Of the officers *mogul* to 4.700/s the
I 1797 not • 'ix- Mich had been elmesibed, he would mention. I that the liatlit Romantik! Gentleman heard and PS, .(title men 6,300/. . Altogether he would say
communication) that seems' mibilidissy arrangements had Wins elm around him he must hit confiaced that the pre- that oo reducing tru regiment. of the use; there
e subject. The male ylleak bee and the British Goer. tent state of things required every reertiou no the waled be a saving of upwards of 85,0004 Ma
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aon the British wit lig foillie payment of ihr debts' i part of the Rouse to prercot the general distress therefore halt la right to complain of she want of
contributed was Sir J. N BMWS? mid,' that there was all the from becoming more oppressive. He moved an economy in sleet department. Our establishment
which the loan (crewels tbeemeld.lietwees.. to whin . .temeadsoopos that brad 14 4, moat men," con- now is quite .Itl grestais is Mkt, and yet hod soy
in ia - the Bank Noble Lordiekeried-the tiouie of esplAn-ition M - ,Nitwit it tidlVeortution, tt 71.000" 'Meld be sub- one said so at that time it would have been eon-
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n accumulating, the present. Five r"s had elapsed since then, in 'stititted.:
... 'Wend quite preposterous. Rut many vtrusige
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