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to thee,' s otter of the Howie. On this account he could
not nos for in the Resolution proposed. If the House
ws.se a adopt the emotion, no geollemse ever return-
ed keine to the (*insistst of more telunipb than
711 r. Hope would have on leaving the bar. It could be no
object with the Mouse to attempt to oppress him; the
cui,nory had been but too plainly proved by the cheer at the
cud of his speech, which bad been joined by some plows
from whom be least of all expected such an indecorum. It
was desirable for the House to steer a middle course. If
they could have had any assistance from the explanation
',fretted by Mt. Hope, (lie real difficulty would have
been :removed; but after. Malcolmg with the deepest
oticotitto, anxious to lake bold of any thing which would
tare intimated contrition or regret, lie found nothing
o !Weser of a satisfactory nature in the estplaintion.
No gentleman who had undertakes to recognise say
ihing• of the kind in that explanation .could point
et is whit part of the speech it consisted. There was a
control avowal of an indisposition and reluctance out to ha-
the privileges of the Hoene; bat, on the other
baud, there was a declaration that Mr. Hope would have
.1. rated it right to have appeased his irritated feclins at the
ri kof committing • breach of their privileges. Wits it con-
tent to pass a Itesolotion expressive of their vetiafactioui in
ouch an explanation ? He would appeal to this Rt. McGee-
-1.-eisaa oppotite, whose skill ati6'cue in those particulars
was so eminent, and often So fistful, if 'twee was a tingle pee-
rs/lent of the House' declaring its satisfaction at the expla-
nation given on a techired breach of privilege, when it was
onsecomponted with any thing like regret, or any other cir-
cumstance of atonement? but so far were some Gentlemen
from this, that they declared so stonemeat was accessary, ss
hcbesiteh of privilege was only grounded on another breach
i.f privilege in suffering repents to he made. Bet that was
only a technical °lkea...re, which, however it might be accost-
anl4 d with alight itsconveniences, had such superior silvan.
sages, that it was scarcely possible to do away with it. The
Noble Lord naked if on individual was to be left without
opportunity for defending himself from what he knew to he a
misrepreaentation? God for But there were miser methods
',rodeo making an attack on a Member. All he asked was doe
protection for Members of ffie Hoene while doing their duty.
What was to prevent a petition trout being forwarded; stating
the (sets in counoverry in a new point of view, and praying
for inquiry Isis the Mouse ? Bat here they would have been in
an awkward silmOtion, because that very opportunity fur in-
quiry had been already refined by the friends of the cons-
plainioe party. How was the House to steer ? How could
they effect inqnity into public 'bones? Who would stand
forward to accuse, if the House nut only rersted inquiry,
but the proposer was to be left open to the stuck of the party
so he accused ? Who was to urge on the consideration of
Boit liwick's case`tider such perils? He did not believe that
soy prudent mmtwould aver after undertake the execution
of that or any Menhir duty if the Muse adopted the Resolu-
tion. They Bid before now accepted of qualifications of vari-
ous matters offeldt In extenuation; but simply to read to
tleCoffeetifeethe resolution that he had committed a breach of
Pri'alete. "with soother, alleging that the House was so
solisreed witnis explanation, that they wool.' not proceed !
Three stall no proredent for such absurd and disgraceful pro-
ceefliegs. •It would be a complete triumph to Mr. Hope—
which he believed the House did not helmet fur him. He put
it in ass, of the old Members, if it was likely to be considered
iii any ollitilight than as a triumph over the privileges of
the House. In the present temper of the House Ire would nut
pipette any •Iterstion of the Resolution, though he thought
it very city to embody something in the Resolution to con-
vey a sufficient reprimand. He would not propose it him-
self, especially after the cheer which Mr. Hope received at
the end of his speech, which short of ttitinsph must have
re/tilled Mr. Hope's ears before he left the House. No Wit-
her need expect the support of that part cf the House
upon an amendment. He thought It enough for himself
t.. have pointed out what was wanting, leaving
it to others to use his suggestion or mot at pleasure. He
repeated it, that there was no ease of similar treatment of
nay delinquent. In all this he spoke without party
bring only anxious fur the dignity and convenience of the
House; see yet did be wish to call into discussion Borth.
wick', ease, which he believes(' to be one of moot usjostie-
oldie oppression. If this Resolotims passed there was an end
onto ir function,. He uss on the wane, and it could not
nflt.t him ; but there was no young moo, haring friemsdo,
who would not be duly nod frequently cautioned against en-
thralling himself with the case of any one who might be sue.
rounded by those in powers. He expressed his willingness to
acquiesce is any revolution in the lightest degree comprising
the idea of reprimand. Give that, and •he would waive any
individual feelings (sod hr could urge a good many) which
lie might otherwise entertain. Short of that he could
ant vole fur the Resolotion, but must protest against
it as a compromise of lbe best sad most valoable
of their Privilege's,. He bad often supported the pri-
vanes when he did ail approve of the occasion of bring-
ine ibcm forward. This was a case which they TOO
lake police of, or the bitedoes• could ant go on. Every sub-
ject of the same nature would give rise to some fresh viols-
lion of those privileges out of doors—perhaps to as many
breaches of the peace. All be wished was some entry on the
Journals betokening a reprimand.
Mr. C. I%YNN observed. that as any reference to the
debates of the Howse was a breach of privilege, this was one
of the most direct which could be contrived, and went di•
'redly to affect the freedom of speech, liy imputing the most
unworthy motives. If it were tolerated, Members must be
'subject to be called down into the same areas to explain with
She offi oder'. He drew a distinction between tolerating a
breach of privilege and nottiorisiog it. In the former care
the HOUK did not become responsible for misrepresentation',
which, accurately as the reports were generally given, yet
from being got out in tomb baste, only • few hours after the
speeches, sometimes contained very considerable misreme-
sonintions, sod sentiments were not enfiequesttly put into the
noisibs of Members the very opposite of what they uttered.
If they authorised the peeseot breach of privilege they would
bring on themselves theincessity of defending themselves from
every one of these misconstructions. After &Winsome consi-
derations its amitigatiou of Mr. Hope's case, be observed
that it would be easy to introduce some words into the
zeutino, to express that the (louse would refrain from pro-
seediog in considetation of the regret expressed by Mr.
Hope at having coininitteel a breach of privilege.
Mr. CANNING would not meat to any Resolution ex-
pressine of a direct reprimand, as he considered it doubtful
if Mr. Hope bad dune any thing which could be considered
generally improper for repelling unfoonded allegations, sad
el"iesidiog ispred honour—though he might not iv his
warmth have taken the best course. The question had been
slated as between the House and the offender, without eon-
sidiling the third engaged in Irmuilx—the rrportiag P.
a creature cf their own tuleratiou, the expreheacy of which
he ovuld not question, because it had now become
• rograf; ell on the Constitution (bat the remove'
wen impracticable, and, if practicaLk, by no annum
desirable He enlarged on the lujury done to a
young man exercising his profession in a narrow circle,
when he meta political friend, who untold mourn, or a po-
litical foe, who would rejoice in his dceradation—by a state-
ment now admitted by the Hon. and Learned Member fur
Caine to be owing to bin ignorance of a fact in Scotch prac-
tice, of which the House also was as folly ignorant. Consi-
d. ring the nature. of that cliatge, which impeached him of
a most oppressive and unjust act, done with a view to pre-
judice the trial of a man on en accusation invuniog life and
sheath, he thought that the sitostdin of an ardent young man
SO circumstanced must be intolerable, and that it was out
unionist that he should seek exploits:lou, eves as he had
/tinkly acknowledged at the risk of committing a breach of
the privileges of the Howse. He remarked, that as Mr.
Hope had expressed the same regard for i'itelr privileges
which was generally felt by the House, sad had `fared no-
thing tending the least to aggravate his offence, it wontellm
pity to send him Corn the House dishoeuuted and
grsred.

Mr ABERCROMBY explained, that tie paper signed by
John Hope and NVNeil bail berm referred to by him in is-
Raid to the connexion there prrons bad with the transactions
which produced the fatal act of Mr. Stuart. It was in that
•i.w olds that be bad regred to it, and not as it ted
eithtr of them will, the ease of Mr. Borthwick.

N MING ersisised.
tIAMILTON repressed bis divestisfsethes it the
tea the arguments offered he exteauatkaa alba
it was se evident from passages in the paseph-

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la what was the &alga of the *Odors. B. a- • .414 anxious
that the House 'book, consider what wan doe to itself—to
his Him. and Leaned Friend, and to the prevention of any
such case is Ware—but he could not conceive those pur-
poses to be answered by the Resolution proposed.
Sir .1. MACKINTOSH, in reply to the courteous and
complimentary speech made to hiss by the Noble Lord
(Binning), declt red that he agreed with the whole statement
of facts and arguments nude by his Hon. and Learned
Friend (Mr. Abercromby), and that the case of Bailiwick
wasSmit to the least affected by any thing which bad taken
"plate.
Re. CANNING again explained.
Mr. BROUGHAM wished to know if his Honourable and
Learned Friend (Mr. Courtamy) intended to adopt the sug-
gestion of his Right Hon. Friend or the Right Hon. Presi-
dent of the Board of Control! He conceived t►at there
could be nothing disgraceful alleged is causing Mr. Hope to
hear that which was the expressed opinion of the House.
Mr. COURTENAY said, be was only prevented from
doierg so of his own accord by 'opposing that the peal•
trace of Mr. Hope was implied on his speech, and the
reprimand iu the very assure of the proceedings. He
would now move, that the Resolution should stand thus—
" lii consideration of the explanation given at the bar, and
the expression of regret of Mr. Hope at the violation of its
privilege., the Huse doe• not feel itself ailed uu to pro.
ceed farther in this busioesr."

Lord BINNING proposed that the vantioa should be
withdrawn, sad tbesmendment put iii its place.
Mr. COURTBNAY said that must be the order of pro-
etedior, as he could soot amend his owe •otion.

Mr. DROUGH AM hoped the words, " the particular cir-
custasees of the ease,' would not be lift out, fur it was
realty the peculiarity of the use which weighed with him mad
his Gieuds. He remarked that after this etample the House
could never think of vi►itioc with such severity as they ►ad
dune heretofore the misinterpretations of primers and re-
porters, however gross the breach of privilege which t►ey
might unintentionally commit.
After • few words from Mr. COURTEN AY and Lord A.
HAMILTON, the words were added accordingly.
The semlulion so amended was thee pot and carried wit►-
out a division, only Lord A. HAMILTON asd another
Member crying "Nu:"
Mr. Hope was then brought to the bar.
The SPEAKER read the amended resolution to him, and
be was withdraws,.

Mr. COURTENAY then moved for Mr. Menzies to be
called in.

Mr. Menzies was accordingly placed at the Bar.
The SPEAKER informed him that in consequence of a
compla,nt made of a letter published in the Courier of Mon-
day the 131 b iusiant, which was declared to be a breach of
the privileges of the House, an order had been i,sueil fur
bringing him to the bar to answer for the same. He di-
rected him to look at the letter, and say if it was his.
Mr. Menzies ark•owlrrlged the letter to be his.
The SPEAKER asked him it' he bad any esiplanation to
offer for having committed that breath of privilege ?
Mr 3lenzies declared that he had atoms felt the most
profound respect fur the character and privileges of the
House, and nothing could have gives him greater pia than
whew he fouled he had committed a violation of them, and
incurred the displeasure of the House. He them went
over the ciicaussiances of the correspondence between
him and Mr. Abercrumby, and described them meth as
they have already gone before the public. Finding him-
self grossly injured by a statement which he knew l•
be entirely unfounded, be ►eally had thought himself at
liberty t• take the memos be did to arrive at expla•e.
Lion, especially as Mr. Abercronsliy had refused to answer
to any one outside Parliament for that which he slimed
withis the walls. While be declared the published ac-
cusal to agree subs'antially with his statement to the Home,
could he have succeeded in obinining an explanation by ot►er
menus, he would sot have sought it through the public press.
He mewed the House that in what be bad done be bad not
the slightest idea or intention of infringing their privileges;
and he would bow with respect to any decision to which the
House might rome upon his conduct.
The SPEAKER directed him to withdraw.

Mr. COURTENAY, conceiving that the House utust feel
satisfied with the explanation just given, mused that Mr.
Massie. be dieehseged from further attendance.
_

Me. BROLiGIIAII cordially seconded the siotios, which
was immediately carried.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The order of the day was then read.
Celeste! DAVIES put a question to the Marquis of Lon-
donderry respecting a Tallish ship which was Siting out
in the river, as to whether it was under the enaction and at
the expense of Government? or if the Noble Marquis menet,
on the other hand, to avail himself of the powers of the
Foreign Enlistment Rill to prevent her departure?
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, he was glad to
have an opportunity to explain the eireurestaNces of this
case. The vessel alluded to came here with some of the re.
mains of antiquity before the breaking owl of the war. As
application was made by the Pads, of Egypt to seed over
two frigates foe his service, and be was answered that this
would be an infraction of neutrality. As application was
then made for British seamen to navigate the vessel back.
The answer was, Alt seamen might be allowed to navigate
her so far as Malta, but that some of their own people must
lake her home. He therefore hoped this explanation would
be sufficient, and that there was so disposition on the part
of the Government of an infraction of the neutrality they
professed.
Culowel DAVIES said, that he had linen on board the
vessel with a brie party, and that an officer on board, who
represented himself as the second in command, stated, that
there were 250 seamen on board, and warlike stores, ex-
pressly going out against the Greeks.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, he could only
slate, that he had given an explanation of all the circum-
stances which bad come to the knowledge of Government,
and he should feel it his duty to inquire whether any fusilier
steps were taken contrary to their order.
Dr. LUSH INGTON said, if the Noble Lord would promise
that there should be nu more sailors on board than would be
nee sssss y to carry the vessel house, every purpose would be
answered.

The Hon. C. H. HUTCHINSON said it was quite absurd
to suppose that 2SO seamen would be required to navigate
the vessel to Malta.

Mr. F. ROBINSON said, the Govrrnmeut possessed no
power to prohibit British seamen from engaging in that
marl. But if it bad been • warlike ship, then their en-
gaging would be illegal Wilier Ike Foreign Enlistment Bill ;
and also, those persons with whom they had so engaged would
come within its provisions.
Mr. BARING said it was not only necessary that this
country should be Cautious of preserving neutrality, but that
she should also appear so is the eyes of Europe, and it was
quite impossible to deny that app were completely
against as. Any body acquainted with the opinions enter-
tained on the Continent, must feel that in France, Germany,
and other countries, we laboured under the base imputation,
in some degree publicly, but in every degree privately, of
assisting the Turks against the Greeks. This impression,
whether ill or well-founded, should be cleared up.

Mr. CANNI
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