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head of the Colonial Department (Lord
st thoe bring forward some propositions
earilereagh). to
so Friday next, relative to the army; but if that
.
jle Was thought inconvenient, he was sere h,,
Ne3le Friend would leave it to the House to fix a
so- re convenieot.day. At the same time he begged
love to submit it to the consideration of the House,
that o the result of these propositions would most
probably be the embodying them in a Bill, whether
olio not be expedient to postpone the discussion
ctt f them until tee second lemlingof the Bill? He said
, thought he could; undertake to answer for
1;;, Noble Friene in his atoence, that if there was any
filing in the House, that these propositions should
asst be then brought forward, he woul defer the
(Telling of kis p ield to
tacky ; leas for a more convend ie nt visor-
he would, therefore, on his part, y
6.,Ch postponement ; hut if he might take the liberty
r or rgear as the business of Friday would be mere
;
MAUS of detail, ani the Bill would afterwards be
more for the convenience
„ ponied, it roe
h-
ot all parties that it shou'd come on upon Elides,.
w:ien there would be ample notice for the subse-
e elit discussion on the followieg Monday.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, he was extremely de-
toms of being present at the Noble C'risi's opening
of the measure, as well as the subsequent stages ot
r ; he therefore begged leave to suggest to the Right
-Hoe. l;entleman, whether it might not be as well,
aid 'T ore for the convenience of the House, to hive
e Noble Lord's plan opened upon Friday, to have
the Bill read a fine time on Monday, and postpone
the disovoion of it until the Wednesday fnllowing?
The CHANCF.LLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that he felt himself personally obliged to
the Hon Gentleman for his suggestion ; but as a
moven of his Right i Inn. Friend, the Secretary at
War, reveflint; the Volunteers, stood for that day.
lie begged to suggest to his Right Hon. Friend to
poopoee his frICIIOII for a future opportunity.
fhe SECRETARY WA R soid, lie had no
ohjolion in any thing which could meet the wishes
at the House.
Lord HOWICK then rose, and expressed hims-lf
est;:mely ansiols upon this most important bui-
tess. A,- to the measure, whatever it might be, woh
setere-ce to the state of defence of the country,
it ens a satire of all others looked to with the
greatest anxiety by tea pulslic at this most awful
iotif eventful crisis. He rose, he continued, at pre-
senemerrly to ask His Majesty's Ministers a question,
not. rowever, meaning to press it. He asked,
wheeler any new treaty had been entered into on
the part of His Majesty, with -any of the Conti-
nental Powers ? and whether it was likely any infor-
mation would be laid before the louse upon that
rubjea, during the present Session ?
Mr. CANNING replied, that most undoubtedly
some engagements had been entered into with leo.
reign Powers, anti it certainly was the intention of
His Majesty's Minister' to communicate the contents
of them to the House in the course of the present
Session. hut as most of them were of • contingent
&ion.. it was natural for His Majesty's Ministers I
to defer making that communication to the House
I it some short time ;.and certainly it would be more
soisfattory to that House, and to the puhlic at
large, to receive such communication in a more per-
fee shape than it could be made out at present. He
assured the Noble Lord. that it never was their in-
tention that the Sassiest* should close before they
made seen a eommunication to the Homo and to
the public. In the mean time, he hoped he should
losable to lay before them a communication from
His, Majesty, on this subjea. in the course of the
eext week.
The Bill was then ordered to be read a second
time on this day fortnight.
Mr. Lethbridge brought up the Report of the
Committee upon Mr. Pelmer's Petition. which was
ordered to be printed, and taken into consideration
by a Committee of the whole House upon this day
se'nnight.
Mr. Sheriff Branscomli presented at the Bar of
the House a Petition from the Lord Mayor, Com-
mon Council, &c. of the City of London, again
the Bill now pending before a Seleit Committee, for
the better relief of the Poor of the parish of Christ's
:hurch.—Ordered to be refeirtd to the said Coin-
s nittee.
Mr. FOSTER observed, that he had given no-
ti of a motion for Friday next, respeeting the
re dation of the annual grant to the College of May-
sus otto from 13.0001. to 8,0001. He hed since
les reed that the additional buildings bad been corn•
rat need upon the strength of that grant, and there-
for he did not wish to press that motion at
pi e rent. He said he should, however, in the
eon rse of the next Sessions of Parliament, submit
tom s propositions upon this subjea to the con-
sic's.' Aden of the House, as he wished to know whe-
ther it was intended to increase this College to the
whol, • extent of the parish of Maynooth
Mr . C. W. WYNNE said, he also had given no-
tice os 'a motion respeaing the moduetion of certain
papers .to shew the absolute necessity of increasing
that C. 'allege, but u the Right Hon. Gentleman
had to •w alined his mind upon the sobjea, he
should also give up his motion•
Lord HOWICK heard this with great satisfac-
tion fro m the Right Honourable Gentleman, Mr.
Fames, t .110, after calling the attention of the House
to the at sject, now left it exactly where he found
it. The hinble Lord was proceeding to other ob-
rvatiouo. when the SPEAK retninded him that
ire was as. question before the House. His Lord.
sh'p then a K.gain rose and said, that he then rose for
iseroosi. t of giving notice, that whenever any
entlernan , upon withdrawing a notice which he
lead pre••*), eily given. entered into any general ob-
servations, ht • should in future claim the isterfo.
rence of the C hair.

FLEcnoN VE117101411. ge
Mr. C. W . WYNNE said, that in conic.
queuce of the s :eat inconveniencies which arose in
the coarse of tti last Sessions of Parliament, re-
specting t',,o (in ficulty of the SJIViCe of Notices
uP.In returned 1 lernbcts, against whom Petitions
had teen prescn ted. and as the same difficulties
*'are likely to arias in the present Parliament, par-
tscolerly in ones ate, where, from recent circum-
eancce, it was most prpbable, it would be impossible
to serve ork •of atm returned Membe:. (we presume
the Honout thAe IMenzher alluded to WexforJ),
Ile rote to • v.• &odor, that ha would to-morrow
esibinit a iesogrht •tm to the House upon this subject.
714 Chanedk a tif the Exchequer presented at

the Bar of the House, a Memart from His Ma-
jesty, stating His Maje.ty(s desire of securing
certain lands at Frogmen*, to Her Majesty and the
Princesses for life, desiring his furthful Com-
mons to take the same into their deliberation, and
to enable him ti) make gond such grant. Ordered
to be referred ts a Committee of the whole 11 we.

.
The Secretary at War presented • return of the
names of the rrveral officers of the tank of FAct

Officers, now on half-pay, pursuant to of dcr. Or-
dered to lie on Ole table, and upon motion of
Mr. COCHR I\'N: JOHNSTONE, ta be printed.

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Mr. Rohert I)unda4 brought up a Bill to enAble
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the East lndi t Company to raise mr.o.•y op in
Bond, instead increasing their Capital Stock,
which was read a first time, And ordered to 5c read

a second time on Thur;day next.
The Secretsey at War brought up a Bill for
the more *convenient and better payment of Half.
pay Officers, Per..tons to the Widows of 'lilt-
pay Officers, ald to these on the Lompas,innate
List; which, after a few words from Gen. Fl'a-
PATRICK, %.'s real a 64 time, and ordered to
be trad a second time on Wedn-slay next.
Mr. Poster brought up a Bill for the better en-
couragement of toe Exportation nt Salt Provasi ,ns
from Ireland. which was read a first time, and or-

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dered to be read a second time mots OW.
Mr. FORTER.,thra gars WAIN :hat fre would,
On Wednesd iy next, propnie A me.tcore to carry
into effeß Inc slispen4ion of part of the duties on
raw sugar imp rated into Ireland.
The Hou•.e then went isste a Committee of Sop—
plj upon toe Militia And \rmy ExtrAordinaries,
when the following sums were proposed and agreed

to :-
793,7101. Os. fd for Army Extraerdinerie•, from the 25th
December, 1603, to the 23th D.:ceinhet, 1306, both tatctusive,

sod not pritid.d tut
2,963,0001 Army Extraord.nariee for F.ncland, for the pe-
seta year, 60.), the hie to' land—W.le. the clotbi,ig
A•tjuitatitt, uheterni, der. of the Militia of both countrieli.
The House being resumed, the Repo: t was or-
dered to he received i-morrow, and taken into fur-
ther con ;iileratina Wednesday near.
The Windsor Ernest Regulation Bill was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed to-rnor-
tow.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observing an KM. Baronet then in his place (Sir
Thomas Turton), who had given notice of a mo-
tion respeaing India Papers. begged leave to sug-
gest to him, that itimignt be more for the cone..
nience of the House if the Hon. Baronet would
postpone his !Mo. ion for another day.
Sir 'ICHO .iA.i CUR I'ON rrnlied, that however
anxious he was for the discussi.in of this impo-tant
subjeft, he could have no ohjelian to yield to the
wishes of the House ; and, therefore. postponed his
Motion from that ilay, 01,61 the Tuesday following.
conmitrrEE mi. WAYS AND MEANS.
Ot tiie Moil. ii of the s.:H s NCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, the House we'll into a Committee
of Ways and Means ; and he then moved," That it
is the Opinion of this Committee, that the Lords
Commissioners of the Trea,ury may contrast with
any Person or Persons, for the S ile of Tickets. for
the ensuing Lottery, to the Amount of 100,0001.
under such Regulations as they may think proper,
at the rate of WI etch, to be paid at the Rank of
England, within two Months after the Drawing of
said Lottery; and that all Money, arising from
inch Tickets. be paid into the Receipt of Exche-
quer ; two-thirds to be applied for the Service of
Great Britain. and one-third for Ireland, in such
proportions w may he thought proper."
Mr. FOS Mk. in pursuance of a notice he had
formerly given, moved several Duties relative to the
Excise in Ireland.
After the Resolutions were agreed to, the House
resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received
to-marrow.
A Bill. tie enable His Majesty to appoint the
Chancellor of the Exchequer of Ireland to execute
the Office of Lord High Treastiret of England.
without Salary, and to possess the same Powers as
any other of the Lords Commissioners of the Tress.
sury in England. was brought up. Read a first,
and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow.
PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS.
Mr. WHI I'BREAL) moved the second reading
of the Bill for establishing Parochial Schools for the
Education of the Children of the Labouring Poor.
Oa the motion being proposed from the Chair,
that this Bill be now read a second time,
Mr.DAVIES GIDDY rose. and strongly objea-
ed to it. He considered it as a measure intimately
connefted with the system of Poor's laws already
existing, and might in various views be ultimately
found dangerous to the country. The utmost care
and attention were in general paid by parents to
the education of their children, when they found
their interests depending upon them. They thus
acquired early habits of industry, frugality, and
contioul. besides being early instruaed in their pa-
rents' occopations, which could not be so well ef-
feard by toe plans now proposed by this Bill. Such
a system of cornpulory education as was contained
in this Bill, would tend to encourage the poor in
the discussion of politics, and to infuse into
their minds false principles of religion, besides en-
couraging combinations. The cam of Scotland had
been given as an example of the beneficial tendency
of the measure ; but, in his opinion, the circumstances
in which the two countries were placed. rendered
them perfeltly different ; so that they had no prece-
dent to regulate their condua. He would wish ra-
this to abolish the Poor's Rates altogether, than to
add to them. Under these circumstances, he thought
it his solemn duty to oppose the Bill ; and, there-
fore, he should move, as an amendment, that. in-
stead of the word " no e,'", this day three months"
be substituted.
Mr. MORRIS also opposed the Bill, although
he was not disposed to go the length the Honour-
able Gentleman who had preceded him seemed to
do. He thought that :he levying of Poor's Rates
had a tendency to encourage idleness and dissipa-
tion, but being convinced of the impossibility of
discontinuing them, he would, at least. avoid ex-
tending them. The fund proposed to be raised by
the Bill would be an unequal taxation; the landed
proprietors being only liable. while the stock-holder,
manufaiturer, and merchant. contributed nothing
towards it. It was unfair that the charges of a
great national obje3 a ould be thus defrayed out
of a perish taxation, instead of coming from the
consok&:ed fund of the kingdom. In Scotland,

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he cue was different ; there origin.tlly a %est%
allowed by aft of Parliament, aninisist:c?, to
60001. for defraying [IA *sophism or Ca?
masters ; besides which, a society formed in this
metropolis, fir the purpose of propagating Cm; •than
knowledge, contributed annu.t►ly 4,001 ti.rether
with several private subscriptions. Su ht. he th
world be the wisest course to 3.1 'y I in

E .gland. lie mentioned these ia.:s. rti,u,..l!.
th..t the c.oei Were not .nn105...11. 11.! 5!...
therefore, vote for the am-tidritt.t htv the

Hoge did consent to go in Currio:ittge upon
the Eiil, he should think it his ..0 y to
Vase more partocularly las carious ohjections

against it
Mr. EI.I.ISON said, that since this Eiil hAd
bevel irst in!rotitictql in last Prtlidinent, it ! broz.

considered, by the Magistrates And others who w.;iv
likely to be concerned in it. execution thrmt}:':• nt
the kingdom, and had ben greatly di.apot ovei nt
The real objed of the Pones Less Yeas to provide for
thnse who could not supply them.elves with the ne-
cessaries of life ; but this ante4.u-e was likely to en•
ra;l them AS burdens upon the country. If b:
to be generous and charitable. he should wish first
to understand, that he was wise and just. There
would he no less th4n 11,()01.) schnn!s to provide.

and AS mans, mastece. I.4iS ay.efd occasinrra peat
fipense, and the mode of rei,ing t!.. t..cation re:ts
unjust and partial. He should approve of referring
the measure to the consideration of a Committee up

stairs, in order tnAt the obi tt.ons might he L;one
away, and the wliole plan so amended, as to reader
it not a mere speculative good : upon this occasion,
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however, he should vote for the Amendment.
Mr STURGES BOURNE was convinced of
the propriety of adopting some meow' es to promote
the education of the poor througiicut the King-
dom ; but he thought the one proposed was likely
to be procured At a immense expense to the Puhiic.
and raised by a triode which seemed to have no
reference to the actual pnpul stioll of the different
parishes. He disapproved moth of the compd.
snry mode that was therein soggesteil, but apps rived
highly of a voluntary one, as being likely to he 'nip+
more successiol. Each parish would tten have on
opportunity of adopting such measures as were
most congenial with their actual situations He
trusted, that if the plan was allowed to lie over to a
future Session of Parliament, some means might he
adopted to render it much more practicable. He
thought that some means ought to be taken to se-
cure the pa/lib apprentices from teeaving such bad
usage as he understood they experience. He wish-
ed it postponed to another Session, in order that the
complicated machinery might be put into some pro-
per and convenient form.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY sail. he could not
concur with those who supported the Amendment.
He thought this was one of the most impottant
suhjeas that had come before Parliament ; and he
lamented much to see that the discussion of it hat
taken such a turn, it being so different from (Oat
which teemed likely to be adopted last ietsion.
Although considerable doubt had been esoresofd
as to its expediency, vet all seemed formerly to
concur in the propriety of its being discussed in a
Committee, in order to determine how shell an
important object could be most effettually and most
easily carried into execto.Mn. As it was of im-
portance that it should be deliberately discussed,
he should not (skied to its not being finally deter-
, mined uoon during this present Session, bat still it
ought to go the length of a committal, in order
that Gentlemen might suggest their improvements,
as much good would be derived from its not being
stopped in i:s progress. He differed from those Ho-
pourable Gentlemen who thought that the Poor's
Rates were likely to be increased by such a measure ;
so far from that being the case, he thought it would
be the most effeaual means of diminishing them, as
well as of lessening the sum of human misery. 'floe
only question before the House was, whether or not
instruai in ought to be afforded to the lower orders
of the people t The question as to the most proper
means of doing so, was for future consideration.
The objea was not to support idleness, or en-
courage profligacy, but to discourage them.—
One principal source of evil was the pra9ice
observed as to parish apprentices. who were sent
off to a distance of two or three hundred miles
from their parents, totally destitute of friends or
protectors, and, like Slaves, rendered plrtealy sub-
servient to the caprice, whim, or self-interest of
those masters to whom they chanced to be bound.
This he understood to be a common praaice in
the City of London, where the parents contraled
with cotton-manutaaurers in the Myth of England.
to whom they bound their children apprentices. and
never made further inquiries concerning them. Some
alteration woe absolutely necessary in this and va-
rious other particulars. He approved of the original
Motion. although the Bill should only go through
a Committee this Session, profit/won
Mr. ROSE said. it was wish great reluaance
he ever obstruaed the measures of the Honourable
Gentleman who had brought this matter before
them, for which no person could give him more
credit than he did. Since last Parliament, the
subjea of this bill had been much more considered
than formerly, and although he. along with others
who had given it attention, was inclined to cbjeft
to it in various parts, he was yet tar from being
of opinion that it ought not to be committed during
this Session. He could not agree with those who
thought it would tend to diminish the Poor's Rates,
at least he could not see how that could be effected.
By the addition of one shilling per pound, the Pool's
Rates would be increased from one million to tour
• milli ons.Hisopinionalways was, that the poor should
.have that education which would teach them to
know their duty to God and man. This could not
be accomplished without reading. but he had some
doubts as to the necessity of their being taught
writing. To carry it further would, in many cases,
be putting a boy above his situation in life, so that
he would not be inclined to apply to that business
which his parents alight choose he should follow.
This he k:rew from his own experience. they would
all be seeking to get employment in counting-houses,
which he was convinced would tend to do a great
deal of harm. .8o far from his being an ene-
my to Poor's Rates, he should vote for their ex-
istence. bad they not been already established, as be
thought it would be highly improper to leave the
poor solely to the compassion of the country. The
generous and humane would be couributing their