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'Wight, distinguishing ti,e time-, at which they were
taken, and the week'v a id annual rents paid for
them, to the 25th of December, 1503."
Mr. J. MAR FIN seconded the motion.

Lord H. PE I'IY observed, that he saw no par-
ticular obj,li.in to the motion, but must remind
the I hnourable Gentlem.tn, that there WAS a Board

of Military Inquiry now sitting, to which these
accounts, with others, had been referred. If they
should negleft to report upon the subje& in ques-
tion, then the Honourable Gehtleman might think
it his duty to propose his 'notion, but till their re-
port.was produced, he would submit it to the dis-
cretion of the Honourable Gentleman, whether he

would wish to anticipate the inquiry
Mr. ROBSON replied, that if he did not know
the contrary, he should take the Noble Lord for
the ghost of the deceased Minister plural 1.50).
He recolleded the same tone, manner, and lan-
guage, in which this motion was some years agn
objeded to by the Noble Lord's predecessor in
ogles, and from these he anticipated tire opposition
that was made to him. This inquiry would not
interfere with the Military Commissioners. They
had been now nearly a year sitting, and all the
Howe had front thew was this Repott, which
was now six weeks lying on the table, without
any Member noticing it •He, however, did not
admit the argument. He stood there as the guar-
dian of the public parse ; and AS 4 Member of Par-
liament, he would sot delegate his power, nor al-
low that he was to wait for any report. Evert if be
did, it was probable that no good may come of it ;
for when he spoke last upon the subje3, there were
273 public accounts unnoticed on the table. The
Barrack Department was a most important subject
in a free country, and he had hale hopes, when he
foetid that the Barrack Master-General's account
was carried about, first to the Treasury, :hen to the
War-Office, /cc. (4 laugh) and was:levet fully ex-
amined. He perceived that Gentlemen were merry,
but he did not think this a matter to be laughed at,
when such serious tales were laying nn the people.
He made the same representations when the House
was voting money to General Delancey. and now
eiey wished to refer him to a military commission.
His noj 41 was, to examine into the accounts, and
prevent such mal-practices in None. He did not
so cinch blArne General Delancey. as he was five
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LGA li. PET observed, that though the
- Right Ws Gentleman did Yon the honour to
ce.•repiiro -Mai to his predecessor, he had made no
'l,l4itois. to bits motion. Ha (healed that the report
lay,sia swam monoticed on the table, as it must be
is the recollattion of the Hiure, tl.a: he had dis-
tinitly called their attention to it. The motion
WS, then-,agreed tn.
hit.-BASTi.IiD recommended to have the word
" bullings' so muted instead of 4‘,lwirris."
Mr. ROBSON said, there would be time enough
for that another clay. He then moved for a copy
of a letter front the Barrack Master-General to tne
late Secretary at War. dated the 129th of Decem-
ber, 1805. inclosing proposals for building bar
racks at Grading. in the &acrid of Sandown Bay
Mr. PERGINAL wished bins to gala the ois.;eit
li the motion.
Mr. ROBSON said. tat he was almost ready to
go into the discussion, but world be it a dosed-
vantage, as he saw an isdisposition in the House to
grant tOs motion, th nigh lie thought himself enti-
tled to the thanks of the Howe, for showing how
improperly the public money was espeoded—tne
better in question was frees the late Secretary.
The SPLAKI.B. asked, if it was not to the late
Secretary ?
Mr. ROBSON answered, yes—(4 considtradlt
p.! of Arghterl.
Mr. PALL reprehended so much levity shewo
upon so grave a steCt.
Lord H. PETTY thought the Hon. Gentleman
might as well reserve hi, censure till there was oc.
canon for it. The mama was not objefted to ;
but, as the attention of the House would soon be
called to the subje& in a regular way, it may nut be
thought advisable to enter upon it in the manner
roe proposal.
Mr. ROSE said, that the House, by referring the
stbjea to a Commission, mast exped to have it bet-
ter investigated there than in any other way, arid he
dig not see the necessity of having two inquiries
going on at the same time.
Mr. Whf. SMI CH was for leaving the matter,
for tie present. in the hands of the Commissioners.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON' wished the Honourable
Gentleman to state his okyet precisely. If he
meant it to leaf to inquiry. it would be for the
Haute to consider whether they would allow it ;
and it he did not, the motion must be nugatory.
Mr. ROBSON said, the papers were intended
to lay the ground for inquiry, and to chew, that if
the betters sent on the subjeß to Ministers had
been acted ow. the country would have been saved
ea eapence of cent. per teat.
Mr. CAI.CRAF C observed. that as the Parli-
ament had already delegated its authority in a corn-
mir.sion, he should move the previous question on
this motion.
Mr. BASTARD did not admit that Parliament
c. old give up its inquisitorial power to any set of
Commissioner..
Mr. ItOBSOI+ said, the previous question would
have come best upon the first mottos', as that would
be of ao use without the other also. If Parliament
declared that the Members of that House must re-
Egn their right of inquiry into the hanus of others,
It was time for him to resign his seat amongst them,
kw then that House would have little else to do but
to register the ethos of the Ministers.
Mr. CA LCRAF'I' thought it would be better
for the Hos. Gentleman to give is his information
to the Board of Comthissioners, as it might 4s.ist
them in their Report.
Lard H. PET I Y said, that as the Honourable
Cattleman bad neither given his rear.ons, nor st.itel
the objet of his motion. be should surpoit t. e
pervious question; and the more so, as, after
..;ivrag a
Metal notice two days ago, he never stated sis
reasons to the Ministers; he did not dory the
Nib'. of the House to take any part of the utqairy
ofcat of the Comsior.ets, but he (lid
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Mr. MARTIN supported the nh, tion. which
grvn negatived without a division. •
Mr. ROBbON then said, that if he must eve

an answer to suit tEe unicrs'andings of some gen-
tlemen, he should say, that offers for 501. were re-
jefted, and 1001. given is preference to tl.e smaller
sum. It was no argument with him, that his mo-
tion might cut berth ways, upon the goers and
corners-in ; his business was to make out his
case, which he would do, if the papers should
be granted. He was not to be deterred by
rhe• previous question, which he held cheap.—
The previous question was at first moved upon the
10th Report, though it was a subjeft that still occu-
pied that House, and the whole world. He then
moved for a copy of the proposals made by Joseph
Day for building, at Grading, in the Isle of Wight, as
transmitted lions the Barrack Master-General to
the Secretary at War.
Mr. ROSE and Mr. B. BOURNE recommended
to him to adopt the advice already given, of sub-
mi.ring these papers to the Miliiar y Commissioners.
Mr. CA LC RA FT thought, that any views the
Honourable Gentleman may have to personal des-
tinflion, should not induce the HOLIST to aft with
iatapediency or indiscretion, while the vommission
was sorting, and therefore moved the previous ques-
tion on Ibis motion also.
Mr. PAUL thought a sufficient reason for the
papers was given by the Him. Gent, when he said
they would enable ham to prove.griss Iratads in this
department: - -

Mr. BASTARD, Mr. 'MARTIN. and Mr.
1117.;KISSON, thought the statement that a price
of tool. had beet preferred to *Ol. a suftitient
ground for the production of the paper.
Lord IL PETTY seemed to incline to the same
opinion.
Sir J. NEWPORT objeCied to the motion, as
the specific objeel of it had not been declared.
Mr. W. SMITH recommended to him to with-
draw his motion for the preseht, and propose oit,,
embracing the whole object, for Monday next.
Mr. ROBSON said, that if ever there was an
expendi.ure that required investigation, it was this.
As for his own part, he was AbOVe being sent to
dance after a set of Commissoners, waitios attend-
ance in a hall or porch, and creeping np ..c tiixht
of stairs, and sllyping down ainnaier. tie would
*not so degrade the dignity of a ''.lenasei of Par-
liamew. by :tinning after Commissimitis, to give
information in that w-ay. He toughs he hid drawn
up his enotion plain enough ; but if he withdt.:w the
motion till Monday, he hoped it would then be Cal-
med uuanimnitsly.
Mr. VANSIT FART wished to know, whether
the Hon. Gentleman meant to bring two charges, or
only one
Mr. ROBSON indignasdly replied, that be Would
not sraad ther4-as a tilernder of Pioriaments to be
interrogated and erroseesansined like a witness.—
He would not take the advice of Gentkruen in the
secret, bur should move for 'he papers; and if they
weer negatived by a previous qu:stinn, he should at
least have the satisfaaion of pl icing his motions no
the Journals, and bringing Ins conduft in contrast
with that of others.
Lord HENRI PETTY thought it would be un-
becoming in the House to grant the Hon. Gentle-
man the papers, unless be condescended to give his
reasons for sviering for them.
MT. HIPIKISSON considered it improper te zc
now any Member of being in the secret of a lavish
expenditure of the public money.
Mr. ROBSON rose, with great warmth, and ap-
pealed to the House, whether his language con-
veyed any such imputation, on a gentleman whom
he considered as a man of honour, lie suspected
his words to be thus tortured, for the purpose of pro-
voking him to heat, and to say something which
might afterwards be taken advantage of.
Mr. A HUNS thought some explanation should
be adorded to the House, as every other Member
was equally interested with the lion. Gentleman
himself, in the expenditute of the public money.
He, !.owever, advised him to take the advice al-
ready given. and prepare himself for a Nun e day.
After a few words from Mr. WM SMITH. in
reprobation of the admission of the I ion. Gentle-
man (Mr. Hobson), that if he could get these ram
tins put upon the Journals of the house, his skied
would be answered ;
The question was put and negatived.
Mr. ROBSON then moved, " that there be laid
before the House a copy of the answer to a letter of
Mr. James Day, respecting the building of barracks
in the Isle of Wight ; and if no answer was return-
ed, that that fad should be stated."
Mr. W. SMITE' moved the prev:oes question.
and the motion was negatived.
Mr. ROBSON then moved, " That there be laid
before the House a of the several barns rented
and used by Goverament, as barracks, at Sandown
Bay, in the Isle of Wight,
_specifyieg the rent of
such barns, and when any alterations in the terms
took place."
Loud H. PET f Y said, he felt it to be his duty,
as the Hon. Member did not choose to satisfy the
House and Government of the object of his motions,
to move the previons question.
The mottos was pus, and. like the others, ne-
gatived.
Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY rose to ask of an
Hon. Member (Mr. Paul) when he meant to bring
forward the charge, of which he had given notice,
against the Marquis Wellesley
Mr. PAUL replied, that the delay was attri-
butable to the necessary papers which he had moved
for, not having been yet produced He thought,
however, that he could say he should certainly
bring forward his motion on the firu day after the
holidays.
In answer to another question by Sir A. WEL-
LESLEY ;_
Mr. PAUL said, that the mode of proceeding
he should adopt would be, to have the charge laid
upon the Table of the House, and then to move
that the same should be printed, together with a list
of the evidence to be adduced. The charge would
relate, ex:lusively, to the transactions in Oude.
Ibe Hon. Member again lose, to move the dis-
charge of the order of the 12th of March last, for
the produaion of certain papers which he had then
moved for. In moving this, he wished it to be un-
derstood, that he would again move for the produc-
tion of these Papers, at a more convenient time.
Alter a few words from Mr. CREEVEY and
Mr. H. ADDINGION, the order of the 12th of
March was read, and discharged..
Lord HENRY PETTY said, before he movei