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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Then:nue went into a luitiiiiittce on the Poor's Removal
IBM —The Report wasiortleted to be received to-n*4,1131W.
Mr. SUM,. tat 111liVtd the further consideration of the Re-
port oh the Sierrey Sewer's Bill, when MIA' away •litoßv-
Toll ilwreatlcit it should he takcu into further eunsider4- •
(64 GO Cher day three tuouths.
A division tisil place, when there appeared--
Fee the Amendment 42
Against it 22

Mujcwity against the Hill :to
fr Upon our re-admission we found the House disporting
the Report upon the Blockfriars' Sunday Toll VIII.
The Galli.' y s as again CIGLIECII, end, iliariug our estelusios,
we understand, t divisions took place, both of whirl. try.
minuted in fivour of :he Hill.
A Mesange from the House of Lords informed the House;
that their Lordships had agreed to the lash lusuircut
Debtors; Weil several private Hills,
Fir JOHN N !A% POHT 'rein; that • i;;ht Hodouralde
Gentleuon f'...rvevalfiVoo an lON place, wished to kourr
whether it was iu cuntemplatioa, under the Bill fur caper-
unstinting M/Cern iu the Eseise' to superannuate • Coat.
ITHASIO.ICI, Mr. Jackson, who had beeu only seven years in
the serrke

Mr. PERES, A L said, be was enabled to answer the goes-
tom to the extent, that that Commissioner, bciug iu ay
infirm state, bad made an application to that effect.
Mr. W ARDLE gave notice of his iotentiuu to move, on
Tuesday uext, fur 6.,11C papers relative to the Mobcap De-
partment of the %tear (tike.
On the motion of Mr. 1 1 vsktssoN, tlrz Luau Bill was read
a third time and passed.
Mr. IlustelSPON moved the third reading of Ilse Window
Glass Duty Rill, uhich aim agreed to, and the Bill passed.
Mr. 'V .t NITTA KT -eft "1 bat there be laid before the
flume, Conies or Extrnets g:f such information as
Ma-
jesty's Minister. may have of the Itev.rues of the !timid of
Mrdeira, together with tie expense incurred in eulleeting
the sense.".-Agreed to.
CITAILLS POLE moved, " That the papers presented
to the Douse, relative to the Royal Aural Asylum!, be idiot.
ed.”—Agreed to.
Sir Cita RLI S Pot.r. moved, " That an account of
increase of tillisa ant rs gristit ea to Ili:beers of the Royal Naval
Asylum, or any proptaied increase or ailk•31100, bhould be
Laid Inure the lioi.se. —Agreed to.
The 11111 fur rtgulatiog the eat eying of gunpowder, arms, .
Sic. coastline, in Ireland, under the direction of the Lord
Lirutruitut, was read a bat time, and ordered to be read
second time to-morrow. . . .

The %Tonne's Manufacturers' Rill was ordered to be read
• third time to-morrow.
The Howe went into a Committee o• the Loan Interest
Bill. The Report ass ordered to tie received tu-morrow.
thi the mutts. of HilltE twig %, the Holuw went into
• Committee ono the Life Annuity Hill. '1 he Report was or-
dered to be re:cos.:of to-morrow. .

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The Canine Superanuantioe Bill was read n second time,
and ordered to • Committee of the %bole I loose to-morrow.
Mr. WHARTON brought up the I; (port of the Committee
of Supply, alien the several Itesolutions were agreed to.
Mr. WHARTON broll4ill lip the Report of the Committee
of Ways all Means (Ur Ireland, the Iles:dirt ilitia were agreed
tu' and Bills ordered to be brought iii aecuritiugly
On the iniitiou of Me. Du vo•s, :he l'hoix and Designs
of Holyhead Hallam were ordered to be returned to the
offi.7e of the Secretary of State.
Mr. WH A OTOS brought in • Bill for providing fur the fa.
Mlles of men serving iu the Militia of Ireland:- which was
mid a host thus, and ordered to be read a vecoud tour
morrow.
Ou the motion of Mr. SWltarerow, the Itzeige Laws'
Amendisent Bill was rend a first time, aril ordered for a di-
coati reading to-morruw.
Mr. Wit ••go4 le ought io a Bill to regulate the Auditing
of l'uldie Accounts—Read a first riute, and ordered to be
real u second lila! to-morrow.
Mr. Fosrrit brought in a Bill fur securing the Duties
upon Paper mode in Ireland, which was read a first lane,
and ordered for a Kemal reading to.snorrow.
CHELSEA HOSPITAL.

Sir FRANCI;IIURDE;IIwi '''''''' know whether
any communication was intruded to be made rela-
tive to the laud granted to Colonel Cordon at Chel-
sea Hospital otherwise he should feel it his duty
to submit a Motion upon the subject.
Mr. LONG replied, that the papers on this sub.
ject had been presented to the House; and that
they were now tomtit)*
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT said. he did not wish the
House should break up before this subject wus ma-
turely considered.
INSOLVENT DF.ETOILIT BILL.

Sir T. TURTON brought in a Bill for the relief
of insolvent Debtors in England. He stated, that
the provisions of this Bill would operate in favour
of the creditor as well as the debtor ; and that it
was justifiable, on the grounds of expediency, phi..
lasithropy, and justice : at this moment there was
in confkkunetit a greater number of persona •for
debt, in the proportion of five. to three, than at
the period of parsing any former Insolvent Act:—
There were at present confined, in this hot wea-
ther, in one . room of a• prison, in this metropolis,
15 feet wide and 16 feet loie,;, no less than 13
persons. The present system of confining per-
sons for debt was a chsgrace to the civil code of
the country; it subjected them to intprisou-
nient for life, and a man might, by a mesas pro-
cesr he kept in conliyeinent, a here he might
not owe a shilling. He had had the plensdre
of perusing the sentiments of certain Noble Lords
on this sulrject, which did honour to their hearts
and understandings. And who could admire those
institutions which compelled a man to be idle, when
he would be willing to work ? Ile wished some
gentleman, conversant in the law, would bring lot-
ward a measure to relieve debtors alter a certain.
length of cotilitiement ; he was aware that time
were unfortunate creditors, as well Us
debtors ;• but he knew there were also audienast
creditors ; he knew thaw were some so malign:gut,
that they would hazard their lives to gratify their
malignancy ; he had received a letter from n
soil of this description, who had hazarded his life, hy
threatening him with destruction if he persevered iss
the present measure. From the dement/ion of
money, the athrunce in all the necessaries of lit;
and the increase in expense of all descriptinns, 10.
thought that us 15nol. had been heretofore the slan
to which uets of this description extended, 0'
would be but reasounble to extend the sum r.
the present Bill to 20001. But as he shout!
not persevere in that proposition, he throe L
debtors, after five years, confinement, might be J •
limed the benefit of this Bill, even if their debts
omounied to that loin. He had introduced a
"clause in this Bill, to enlierge the powers of tor;
trates, in ell!.s, of irregidarity, to facilitate the
charge of prisoners, and had Ills° provided sgshot
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the li'Aneht of tree Bill. Ile hod also provided
uzni.stit persons hr tee; tilwritetl, who toad o'it.iiat.l
ere,lit under tictitionv chttructehe. The Ilaunters-
-I;ie Baroeset couchette,' with fiayiar, 1114 i.: wax his
intention to move the me.aitid reading of the 6iill
nos Turwl ty next, and Int wank! Wish it to go to a
Committee on Wednesday.
The. Bill was then read a first time, ordered to
4e printed, and to he read is second titue on 'rues-
day next.
MESSAGE FROM HIS MAJESTY. •

Mr. PtiftCEV it. brolia;lit up at Nlinpaitvx front Ili%
i‘lejesty, whic-, was road by filo. SPEAKER its rollowg:
"GEORGE R.—The king thinks it proper to sequaint the
tiousc of Commons, that the ancient rvlntions of good un-
&rat aading and friendship, between Ills :11:ijesty and the
Emperor of Austria, hate been happily rt stored, and bate
been confirmed by a Treaty, of whirl,, *licit the Rat ifiratioa•
shell have been esettenzeil, His tiajesty will direct a copy to
be caantintatairatical to the (longleaf Commons.

Alt)aongh the provisions of this Treaty du not inclose
n y ipu Int ion fur pecuniary assistance, His Majesty is
rthelms dosirons of Wing enoldril to afford to His
Im-
rs riot Majesty such aujistance of that &script km, as may hg
...died fur by the circumstances of the contest in which His
Imperial Slajesty is eiigagrd against the common enemy,
and as eau he furnished by His Maims., consieiiity with
the other extended demands upuu the coonerms of His Ma-
jesty's dominions.
" His Majcsty is grimily delirium of ecturisining to the
Spanish can..,, inch succours iss may be requirA,, for sustain-
ing aid assisting the efforts of that satiny, imainst the y-
twiny and *merit:on of Fraltee, as well as of giving consis-
tency an.l effect to the esettioas of the People of Portu,,J.!,
for the Jerson of their hinfol Governineat and uationoi in-
dependence.
" His Majesty rel;es upon the rent and pithre spirit of
his faithful Commons, to enahle His Majesty to provide fur
these great Ghjects, and to take such other missives as the
exigency of affairs may require.

0.1 tile motion of Mr. l'Ettcritsr.. His Majesty's
Mei..l;e wusr.r.leresl to be taken into consideration
in a Coalmine. of Sitin,ly, to-morroie.

MLL• PALMER'S CLAIMS.

rose to make his promised too.
Lion, and obverved, that as the cireionstiences of
Mr. Palmer's c.,*e twist be so well kaown to the
Mune. he shout I not take up their time by enter-
log into t detail upon tliat isi'ajeet; in coesequenct
of being disepiet;.ited in the expert:al:imp he had
form .41-from tile votes of the Flimsy last Seisainn,ns
to thi' final (lei:limo of his claims before Parliament,
Mr. Palmer had now resorted to what appeared to
be the only inethod of obtaoii ;4 that justice...to
which, in common with every HOLT sus ject of this
kingdom, he conceived himself entitled. Previnas
to submitting the present mutiou, his first object
bad heels to ascertain that it isas regular id point
of form, and then how far it was liable to elite!.
tie.ar, to which every question was inure or lees
open ; seith respect to the one, senile veil by an.
thority from the Chair, he (amid have no doaht
there; and upon the other poiiit, as far as lie cnuhi
flatter himarlf, from the general seutiments he hid
heard expressed, cress by these whose tsunamis were
nufavonnible to the claims, he bad little to appre-
hend ; lie confessed he had heard mime objections,
or rather what had been eii.Greste.l so him as likely
to he stated as such. It aught be argued that there
was no precedent for adopting such a motion.—
The tore argument of there being no 'Precedent,
could not,, he thought, be dwelt oil ; for by the
same rule, no precedent waled ever. hare bre', es-
tablished in the House, in the first instance, for
waist of a prece.lent to authorise it ; but there were
many precedents, where .Goveriintent had not
availed themselves of their exeiriptiou from a legal
prom% but had allawed indivolaale, wish whom
they acre at ieeite, to bring their cause into a
Court of Law, and hail abided by the decision.
The o,aly thiferenee between these cases and Mr.
Pal:tires was, that the latter had already been taken
iato consideration by Parliament ; had it decided
a,raiiivt the claims it might have lieenOteeted to
allow the cause to be tried again in ass iuferior.
Court ; but one or two mar/times nuist he admitted,
either that the cause has been decided Nom in Mr.
Paliner's favour, or that it has not been decided
aspen at all. If in 4iis favour, it was for Parliament
to carry sail' decision into effect ; if lint decided
upon, Mr. Palmer's ease was in the same situatiou
as others, with the additional plea, that he hail eh-
aolutely no other appeal left. Yet it might be
coutesided, that these ceses were not in point, in-
asmuch as Government hail there used their own.
discretion, and the reference. to a Court of Law
had been optional on their pert; but that in Mr.
Palmer's case, they had not consented, and the
'notion would compel them to that, which, by law,
they were not bound to. This he admitted ; but surely
if in some instances Government dispensed with their
privilege, anti allowed actions to he brought agailist
them, it was competent for the House to recoil,-
'maul it in other,. But he contended, that Govera-
meat were not justified in refusing it in any in-
stance; the nitration of the law was simply to
protect public officers from being penwilaliy respon-
aside for toseblic contract 4; it urver meant that the
is:lavitinals dith wham they contracted should he
oppres's' ; and. waa it nut contrary to e very 'principle
of junieestinit the wrestler to a Court of Law,
should be at the option of one party, whose one',
motive its refusal must be the fear of Iscitig Coin-
poled to do justice to the other Not only was it
tan i..jtistiie so the individual, but an injury to the
eistiatry. la the case 'of Wilkinaon egaiiist the
Conisnessioners of the Navy, when the Defenslapits
pfeaded their exemption from legal process Lord
Mansfield declared that nothing collid lie ulnae
dangerous to the public interests than assets a plea ;
for if once the piveedent was to be established, uu
laJwros ,toUld be found to make contract* with
• Goveniment, with aolittle security for their
Perhaps it might be urged, aa it was to Mr.
Palmer, by his counsel. that though no action sou: I
he brought against public officers the complainant
might appeal to Parliament. Had Mr. Palmer
lineught forward such a Inntiflll as the present one,
in the first instance, such nn objection would proba-
bly have been raised ; but Mr. Palmer had appealed
to Parliament ; mild it was beciiii•.e he could obtain
no 1/I.l'%;lCt there, that he now appealed to the lan.
Had Parliament decided against him, me would
hare been a Ilan, case, considering the influence or
that party with whom he was at issue ; but without
dwelling upon ci reumstances,w h addle wished to for-
get, and admisting that the claims had beta alike

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fairly discoysed i both Housosn wl that thiy silfkrod
its elMnion. was tint the plan to he minutest %hit Which
would have [seen adopted in any caber dome. where
two Judges disagree in the adjustment of a ovate,
to bell in a th.rd to decide bct•ti‘t them' It had
been suggested by some who voted in the last Sirs-
liens ogiiiiist the withdrawing from the appropriation
aet Its.. sum voted by this House to Mr. Palmer,
that the most proper 'node, and the one best suited
to the dignity awl privileges of that Honor, would
be, to move an Address to His Mesty to pay the
money, and that the House would make good the
smile ; but, however proper such tf motion, it might
!instead), create, that dittereuce betwixt the two
linnsee, which the present one was calculated to
• recent. At all events, it most he less objectionable
that former motions, which the Howie had oceeded
to. In the Slessiiiti lwfore last, on the Bill for prevent-
big the gmistino of Iteversioos being rujeetcl by
the Lords, this [loose moved an address, not to grunt
them tire *certain time ; which address was a direct
contradiction to thecientiinetits of the other drench
.of the Legislature. But the present inotiou could
not, he *ologlit, be so interpreted ; and he only
hoped it might not lie objected to, on the gronnil
of being too conciliatory. Ile had anticipated all
the arguments he was owsre of against the motion;
lint whatever iiiconve.nieuces might be suggested,
as the ones of 'bringing it forward rested lust with
Mr. P. but those who might obviate its necessity by
gratitingthe object it professed, toe trusted :lie House
would not suffer such Isrevent their COM,.
it% to a resoliation, which the vecoliareircum,tacees-
of the case de:winded ; at any rate, he preowned,
that no evil, anticipates! Cmni the motion, could be
so glint as the inittry that would be dour to the
honour of the House, by refusing toad iiidisidnol,
whose public servis;es stood acknowledged, and
who complained of an injustice, that appeal to the
Liws of his country, which had ever consider-
ed as the birthright of 'a tinbjeet at these realms.—
Lastiy, be had to observe, that it was a rmaxiin of
the constitution, that there could be no wrong
without its remedy, and that one of the greatest
Iscueirs s.f Parliament was the power of e tasting
new laws, as thi existing ones were found inefficient ;
here W&Ilu wrong, and he appeared wails costitence
to the justice and the lil•,rality of the douse. to
'grim the remedy. Whist hue orco...nact woult be
adopted by the Hight Hun. G. iv. ;the Chancellor-
uy the Eselo.que.l h.! !is MALI': to state; be could
only soy that ;le nail brou..:- int that inat;no
which he conceived most 1.• meet Ins appro..'
bottom acrd he sincerely• 1 his acquiescence
would snare him the rn•i r-i t saying one word inure •
to the H mite oil the ion.neet oitter.olie tie traeed
they would at leasteeplit hint of having so often
intentiwially troubled them. The Hun: Gentleniau
concluded wish mitring.
" That an h.ifehle Martin be pretfreated to His Majesty.
praying, that lie will be pleased to 'allow the aer,:emeists
tottered ion by Jetm Purser, EN. relative I. improve
swans in thu Peat Office, to be Investicitot IK•fore a Joey,
east that the freerieer-General it( the I'ost-014.: should be
instructed to deiced the smut"

Mr. Peactvvat. said, clod it woul4 lir impossible
to form any reetord to answer toe ooject of the pre-
cent motion, by the course which the lieu; Gen-
tleman bad taken. Chat teere was no retires,. at law
WWI completely dear; *lsere there was no legal
right there was no questiesti to he tried ; the- begat
title could mot 1w so vested in Mr. Palliser as to
bring it before a jury•. According to his original
contact, an Mice should have bees granted
which olfiee could not be granted, being loco:mis-
trial with existing laws: he was then appointed to
another office, is which he was suspended, having
acted directly contrary to his duty. in entering into
a conspiracy to thwart the duties of his,otfice, and
which would have aßthorised the Attorney-Geueral,
had• it been granted, for life, to hove moved for a
aire facies to have .deprived him of his patent.
subinitted to the House whether suds a spies-
tiou *as ever before brought forward, or such ass
issue•directed ? And were they to direct such as
issue, would the courts of law receive it ? They
were bound by oath to act according to the laws,
and they were guided by preci:dent ; Ise therefore
eouceived that it was utterly impossible that the
project of the lion. Geutlensan could be entered
upon in this way, or that, whatever the feelings or
the wishes of has friends might be, they mould sup-

port it.
Mr. ADAM said, that the motion did not go to di-
rect au issue, it oldi went to remove en **peal-
avocet. This was a contract entered into with His
.Majesty, who was to be addressed to prevent the
rieceiver-General to put in a special filen. which
would be * bar to the action; beemise if inch plea
were to be put in, when Mr. Mauer brnu.'hl his.
action, he must be nonsuited. With regard ru the
proceedings of the Courts of Law, that had nothing
to do with the question ; if the motion wits shooed
to, and he did not iOt redress, -or what he oessglit,
lie would have hail his request at their hands. The
motion he conceived to be wrongly worded; end he
proposed, its an amendment, that tla,re should he
substituted fur the wvrds .4 investigated before a
jury," .. inquired into by on action it law, or by a
rya ha equity."
Mr. Paecever. suggested. that as, after all that
had been said, the House was still in the dark as to
the relief 960u0st. or the precise nature of the re-
medy propottl to be applied, it would be the best
way for the Hon. Member not to take the House
by surprise, but rather to move that his proposition
be laid an the table of the Howie, for the purpose
of enabling Members to take it into their consider-
ation at their leisore, and determine upon its tit-
Hess ; lee they should Ise led by precipitancy to
ii.;ree to tat whirls afterwards they would have
reason to disapprove or. It should ,reen, by what
wail stated, th. t Mr. Pitt let mitered into one
agreement with Mr. Palmer. al I that the POO-
\
imisters.lii•iieral mid entercil int _another ; but
that the lit...etiver-C;eneral h ail never entered into
soy merriment whatever. In what way possiblv,
then, vould. he be made a Defetelato i •In the
midst, therefore, of such difficulties, lie considered_
it the hest wry to give time to weigh the circum-
stances, and see what would be the best emirse to
pursue towards the attainment of substantial jus-
tice.
Mr. SIT.VENS observed, that thoegb it had been
stilted [hal that House had nothing toils. with •the
form of the declitratimi. vet it wool.' be unbecom-
ing their ditz,iiy, as well as that of the Crown, if
they ire to address I-lie !Majesty on the *Mike,
without being enabled to state, clearly and Ms-

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.precise object which they were anxious
should be tried. Was theo any thing to he tried
ia a Court of Equity ? He esiiceived there was
not. He coviceived, Wilily thin* it was a clout on
the liberility of that House, as the Gentleman sue
supposed to hare forfeited all prrteuce to n claim
of right, by his us n nasfeauswee was a ques-
tion of tisis kind a tit subject to be tried either by
u Chancellor or a Jury ? Taking the case as such,
then, the uddrass r, aveed to, would, become.
a mere nullity. However, he prof:mord, that if
any Gentlemem could state any mode by which the
merits of the whole of the case could be tartly got
at, he was ready to give it all the support it simuld
stein to deserve.

Sir Talons' Tetuan, awl, the simple question
for the llutrae to determine was whether or nut en
Agreement of a per centage, entered into by Mr.
Pitt with Mr. Calmer, which lied nothing whatever
.do with July debug fleecy, elioulil stand ? Though
the petition of right is stated toter gone, yet it wee
monstrous to "appose, that an agreemeut whicii
could he enforced against an individual, as %itch,
• should not bold good against tee Crown. • It wail
true that the agreement alluded to was only a ver-
bal one of the Miuister ; but if that •vert not to be
held as binding, he would sooner take the note of a
swindler in the street ; the. Miiiiiiter may die, and
his honour may not survive to Ins snocessor. " A
tangible elope" had become to favourite phrase of
late, and ell that woe asked on the present ocession
was,taipat. the linsinela into one. in order that its
merit* might lee Vied 'BW-decided. He had
seen the motion, and be owlet it was not
exactly such as he would hayeudyised. The mo-
tion, recording to his opiuion, "tumid have for its
object to compel jumice-ii-to address His Majesty,
praying ha would direct •his Ministers to pay the
motley ; as, after the fanner decisions of that
House, there could be no doubt of the justice of
the chins. It Wit% objerted, that the quesftnii had
not been put into a Ave to reader it capable of
trinl. The Learned Gmtlernan, .who spoke last,
lied bilked of lib:.ratity ; bat it was not liberality;
but 'twice, that was asked for ; and that, he
hoped, the House would take cora to dispense.
Mr. Noes bore testittemy to the general merits
of sir.-Paltuer,ntitl the services lie bad rendered
his country ;_ but there were two parts in the agree-
mein alluded to, to he considered; the one was,
that Mr. Pitt hail agreed to certain conditious; the
other, that, iu return for those, Mr. Palnfer'should
len oaly disclose, but perfect Ilia plitn;.he considered,
therefore, that when the one failed theother mast
do so ton. Nbt affecting to know any thing of the
hisatistea himself, it appeared Iron the reports on
their table. that Mr. Palmer had not only misenn-
ducted himself, but had also instructed others how
to do snlikessise. Of this he was sure, from eigh-
teen years personal experience, that Mr. Pitt had
done what lie considered his duty, with pints, as he
het entertained a great personal esteem for Mr.
Palmer. lf, however, the whole of the merits
could be fairly brought heforit a Court, he pro-
foetal he could not see any harm that resulted from
the motion; at the same time he did not perceive in
what mode tllat object entid he effected.
Mr. FuLees could not see, if the Muse felt the
justice of Mr. P.'s w:iv he should not have
timakimisetteef e trial.- 114 noi;lal-not but be of opi-
nion himself, that the whole or the busincsa eel fair
and candid, as it had iu its ems littt been taken out
of all consideration or party ; and he thought that
nuthisig could be more plat than to 'WIi :. at to be
carried to a Jury. •
The SOLICITOILGENLRA I. was of opinion, that
when those who supported the motion were not
e4reed among themselves as to the mode proper to
be pursued in the ineeetigation, this very circum-
stance should mince them nailer to lay the pro-
potation on the Table, for the pittpole of due (VII.
aideration, iu order that they might not risk adopt-
Olga precedent, that might be dangerous in its con-
sequences ; a precedent which might encourage
others. Who should conceive they had made bad
bargains with a Miutster, to VI what the effect of
perseverance for years, and auticitittion of friends,
euald effect in that House. (Here the Learned
(,entleuran was culled to order, "NW the ground of
imputing improper nintivie to the decisions 'of that
House.) IT the matter were to be put into any
course of trio!. it onght to embrace the largest
print of view it was tepahle of. Now if it was
found impossible for the partite to agree on the
terms of the trial, was it fair that admissions
should be made on one side, and • not on
the ether? For this reason, therefore, it was,
that he thought gentlemen should to prepared
with the precise terms open tt bleb the decision
should Fake place. it was proposed, that the Re-
ceiver-General of the Post-Office should be re-
stricted to plead in his private caper it%, and hut in •
hie public character ; nod et obis monde sun part of
the inotion. Was the Learmal Gentleman (Mr.
Achim) prepared tows), that this expedient would an-
swer the elicit proposed ; he thought, th it though
adopted. atiq ucourt of justice could not but see how
the tact reully was, and the consequence must be,
that a non-suit would tiestemari ly follow. lie, fur one,
would never consent to the prosecuting any claim
.against the Crown, hot in a legitimate way, he the
individual merits what they may. Were the Courts
open, or were they not ; or was there no mode,
without the aid of that Ilutne, by which inolithltiala
could obtain justice If the individual's case
seemed deserving of the interference of the Houle,
better to do it by some permanent regnlation ; but
lie denied the necessity of any such measure. If
thereon" a remedy et Lew, resort to it; if, ou the
other ham!, the redress her in equity, use it ; hut,
if relief. was not to be found in either, lie "maid
leave it ro.--At all events, he would have the pro-
'Kennon laid on the table. in order to elfin(' time
for its enirsideretion.

Mr. WIN DIIAM remarked on what he considered an
inconsistency, in what fell from the Learned Mem-
ber, who at one time contended th:tt nothing would
be pined by agreeing to refer the 6u iueas to a
Court of Ls*, unit yet argued that the Courts
were open for redress. He thought the Monte
bound to enforce, by"agreeing to the motion, that
Justice they had already admitted by their farmer
votes on that I.ulijecli. The Crown was not culled
on to ohnitilon its prerogative., but merely to for-
bear in this instance ; a forbearance neither unusual
nor tinfrequent ; and this was all that war asked,
namely, that if that (foam would not enforce its
Own decision, to let him go to another tribunal to

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look for justice. He could see no char* to the
prerogative by agreiriog to the utonun, Out much
to the dignity of that Motive by refusing-it:
Sir SAMUEL RoAtt.l.lf said, that Ai that Mr.
Paluter' wished was, 'that the -Receive -Genteel
should be appointed Defendant to the actieee and
call that the House bed to deride was, that the
• qitestiuti sleeted tie fairly before a Conrt of Law or
Equity. How was the dignity, the character, or
the honour of the House to be compromised, by its
directing that such a claim should be tried, even
tilthotieh the claimant did not succeed ? He
should defy any mail to sheer that sally thing stint
proposed by tins inotiominore thaw that of enabling
Mr. Palmer to le-ewe', 11(114.1bagsainst dome person or
other, us he could not do it now. It had berm ..aid
by a Right lion. Gent. opposite, that tit-Costars
were opcii to every man, and that every one had a
remedy ; but he (Sir S. Manley) had ii iota mi-
di:roved, that a man having lettered loin a contract
with eily of the Public Boards, such as tee Navy
Board, the Victualling Board, and the 1 laileport
Board, finned great difficulty in bridging an action
for u breach of their egreement in any particular,
for there was not a person to lie foiiiirt as a del-eel-
sat. It did not indeed often happen that persons
who had formed such contract.. had occasion to
hive recourse to courts of justice ; for when as
breach had occurred, and legal advice lakells that
advice had been, that they must rest satisfied, as
there was so remedy against public Weirdo. The
0111% question theretbreeias, to :a move a techmeal
diffice:ty that exiiited.auti if the }louse did net
epee to put Mr. Palmer in a state id which: lie
might be enabled to bring forward Ils Awns, cc
thiluelit the character, dignity, and born r of 1.012
(loose, %could be deeply eiendroiniaed.
The deestion was thed loudly celleei for. .
Mr. PALMER rose in reply, and added, fled it
was not his iatentien to tester into an era sss itt atiou
of the evideuce in the. case, which 1 "'I al-,
ready so often. discussed. lie should take up the
time ofthe House oily iii recalliug it briefly ttitatir
recullretiou. as many of those whir; lied spoken.
seemed to have forgotten the merits of the cast.--
Some of the Right Honourable Genetemete seethed
to consider Mr. Palmer as having been in a sub..
ordinate situation; brit the fact sea-, la stood in a
very different point of view. At the tane•Mr. Pal-
mer made his proposals to (;overiernent, ;le was not
a mean adventurer, but one grim, although 'dressily
independent, wished by the exertion if his talents
secure a more ample fortune for his fatnil). 'fel g
was an agreement formed by Mr. Pitt. by which I e
was to have 41 per cent. items the. reveime of
the Post-et/lee, if his plan of improvement .no-
needed ; but if it boded, he was not to hare teat
allowance. The plait, however, succeeded. and et
was soon found necessary that Ith dwelt} take an up-
.peintnaent its the Pout eillice; hut he had all sooner ,
got that appointment, than those in the Post-office
seemed to combine agaiust him, in order to defeat
his exertions fur the public good. lie was allowed
to go on under his agreement, until the appoiute
merit of Lord Walsingliain, who declared his dm.'
approbation of the plan. Was it' not roost ore.
grading to Mr. Palmer, a man of reartalcot. to be
obliged to attemd to till the foolish isistnicti:
were thee given him ? At that very time. hoe .-ese
there ass a .seiviuer of no less than 24,0001. test
annum to the poi lic, by Mr. Pelmer's plat
The Right Mote Gentlemen opposite (Mr. Rosie)
might bdast of his origin. and detract, as he had
done, from that of Mr. Palmer; but he could not
help expressing surprise, that he should have acted
as he did, when his fortune was compared wrth
that of Mr. Palmer, when the autimy and ea.
ertion he had endured were compared with thee* of
Mr. Palmer, and when the service, 'he had render.
ed.wero compared with those of Mr. Palmer. As •
soliciting personal atteedance, lie should only
he never had 'lone so.

Mr. Rosa sold.. few words in answer to the oh..
serrations made by the Hum Mover, and syserted
that he had always need hi,. utmost exertions to
conciliate the ditlerenc-:s that existed in the P..et-
Office as to Mr. Pahaul's plan, and he denied t Fat
ever he had alluded to that Gentleman's origin, so
that he saw no net:intim, why the Hun. Geutlenum
should have made such personal allusions.
After a few words from Mr. Leas, against the
motion, and from 'Mr. Ponsonor, in support of
it, the question was loudly called tor, and the gal-
lery cleared ; lint while 'orangery were excludedo
the house still continued for au hour slid a half in
debate upon the same suhject.—At length they
divided, when the numbers were—
For the Motion
Against it

Majority in firmer of Mr. Paltrier 24
and against Ministers
The Ilause Weil went it.to Coalmine:eon the
Irish 311litin

Sir JOHN Di ZWPORT ro lowa an amendment,
providing for the families of unl►tiamen oho volun-
teered into the liar.

Mr. DUNDAS objected to it, rtii crestittut all in.
Vidloo4 distinction between Ireland and the other
countries. •
After a few further obitervationa from Mr.
M•Naghteu, Mr. Stewart, Mr. Martin, and Mr.
Herbert, the araetidroeut was witl►drawn.
Th.' rem.utuu4 chows were then gone throsigh,
and the other Order+ bein►gq disposed of, the Hoeft
adjourned at IiALF-PAST Til

FOREIG.V INTAbLIGENCk.

rßom FRENCH AND DUTCH PAPERS.

RATIgaON. I' 11.
" At the Itnrerist 1!..-art.qtaarters at Eons, May is.
" By virtue of a roam-laud of Has Majesty the Erupont
anal t‘ina, lhastelar, divert Gerteafl in the .lastrinn see.
eke, ringleader of t-e inserrectiort ut Ty 01, and water of
the awarders einsmitteal on Bavarian anal Fretnit
coat, sty to the leas of minutia shalt be branglit hefare e
M art. Commoonni, and tweet:tea !:.4 boars after he
IK• taken, and this as the leader or latebnay robbers:
(Sixotall " ALEXANDER. Prince of fsenithatektitc.'
The.detitchniesit of the Cith regtiosist of French
infantry, which were in garrison h..re, proceeded
yeaterday Aug.burg; Tlor dnv before yeaterriwy
Salon troop* OnterM here, riecceeclimig from the Da,
brittle fronticra. They yettrrtlay went to Strawbeng.
A 1•6311111116, MAY la.
A.corrling. to Ce/ i,11;11 iiitelligeisco. the French
troop, ore already on tha other pule of Vienna., It
is prolealele that they will ibrucced directly towards

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nougary, older to mritacwitte the .intiturettion
there.

VIIN N A, MAY .3.
By %kite "of au Ukase of the Russiaii Govern-
ment, w:rieh a courier haat brought hither, all Rus-
sians who are here, have 'received orders to remain
here no.langer. The greater number . ill, in clin-
g/mace, leave this place to-morrow. The first co-
lumn of the Hungarian lusuirection is already 'ar-
rived here. rite Einpress left this place yesterday.
tier attendauts proceeded towards Huugary some
ills ago. Pd•T 6.
the most active exertions are made for putting
'this capitol into a state of defence. The Archduke
Maxiiailian, who was it-patched hither, has pub-
lished a Proclamation, uildressisig the inhabitants,
. cod exhorting them to a defence of their city.

•usrat A, MAY 4.
M'e have heard nothing or battles since the vetreat
of the Archduke Charles over the Danube. He has
ti hie greet army iu Bohemia.
°Viler to viidilinid 04r via-my frntn entering
eotrt:ocloool.t,. am forming there; 13,000
tne.• utni; daily ut •

i•rrca sWAIIIA, KAY 6.

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The I',rolese peamoits huve away 300
IEO-ruls dealt, and laid contribution* in money 01)
‘illages. Thee to force voitie,; people to
them ; but a ['reach corp 4 is iornsiii4
tl.eos. They have already received a 'evere check
st boy from the Wurtemburg cavalry.
LCDN't...tAttilt6, MAY 14.
The prooeQs of the Tyrolt,e Insurgent.: trovarib.
the frootiera of Bavaria mai SWil ,;%I. I. till tlitir hay-
log taken poaaeetion of suverul pl ie., in the ' urid-
berg, had several omit!' aii.ee iddiirod his Ilajesty
to draws cordon the frontier of this
concert with the king of lia, iriu. lis consequeri
of the troops bring placed on the side of Bavaria,
the rebels entered Kempten, lintnrostodt, lirrtiehz,
and on the tOth Nletusiiingeo. King
has resolved therefore to send too elialo.• si.. and u
battalion against them.
Atensyrt: ItUati. MAY 13.

We hear that a corps of air • t I,Vestplialiati
troops are to take pos,cs.iim of flitionver. It is
likewise said, that Stettin, (Hogan, and Custrin,
with their fortusves, are to be put in possession of
thr King of Westphalia.
From Carlsruhe we learn, that the Bader' troops
'sae proceeding to Viiralberg and the Northern
1 yrol.
I.IIICCE, MAY 22.
. The followint.: important intelligence is contained
ih letters of the 13th instant, front the Lower

0.1 the .1-01, of April, the Emperor of Russia
•iflarlared seer u,raiost Atis,tria• and ordered hiaur-
Mies to cuter Gallicia aml lbiowary. Rtts.
slam bit already entered Calla:at, and boats .th
Atistriat:s. •
" The Rip.; of Prussia, far from approving th
drollatints corpikt.t!, .1 by Schill, has sent an Istinv
• of •ie,•oo mall ae oost dist robber, in tonjuuctiuti
with the trouja. lei IVastithulia.
"'Sciacr 'the lust.. the Preach flag ha• been
yafurled you the top of St. Stephen's churclr at
N'ienao. Ou the tuth or lid; the F.mlatra Najot-
kcal oat, to feast the capital. The Ettliwter
ell• 11. has solicited reser.
" A private letter from the French head-clam.
tett of the titli announces, that 0,1 that .!uy an Ans.
tviati officer of the staff had arrived with a to-
tiengyr, bearing n letter writteot by the
Eriinti‘ to the Ettiperor Napoli ou, in which the
}:inpiror of Austria implored an armistice sod
peace of Ilis Majesty in the most 'mashie expres-
sions'. The' short time of the stay or the Park-
oteataires in the head-quarters of H .blajesty„
dace,' an °pillion that the atisoter was florasoar-
able—the more so, as the array continues advent.-
tag."

Derirt.noar, xillr 17.
A proclaination has this o.ay hecii published bete
up-Ainat ; it eau :Niles thus :
" His snores would be of no lung duration Were be to
set hi. fisot iu the Greed Darby. An sew et reserve has
brio unier to repair albs over peace sway be
.1 billibrdLrtuetl. the IV. are ;mid the Moine ; as... the hero
who ia ~..rier.l at Vaquia, m t:.e 111.11:5& of ,i.(1,N)15
Ail/1310E]*, irlii know hew to defend h.. States 414...0..t a rob
!ma, a.l mir;sh time who granted him auy anststanee ;
hut the pusaa'ament will be diva/Ifni, for the time is cone
when the point, ought to be taueht that this nest, the
noblest, the must iedispensable of taws te--submission to their
government."

MAGOSIBUILO. MAY to.
Schill has succeded in esestpinir into the Old
Mark, on tile approach of the We.iphalian troops •
A -treat number of his adherents liave been take 11
prisoners to Caso.l. He has, it appears, again erns
• I over to the right Isaisk of the Ellie. The btu_
dents of little evinced no iodination to join this
Ahelbsio. The part of Sehilf's corpa, which. under
Colonel Brunnow, entered Oafle at four o'clock,
left it use same day, after seizing some small arms,
money. and clothes.

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101.111110.0111, MAY 10.
Yesterday Seliill was at Cohlitx, ,ax leagues from
Magdeburg. lot a battle near Durlentlnd; he left
15 !nen and three officers killed; *besides 17 num
and one officer wounded. 'Elie lierrieoti of Mal;-
&burgh has been strengthened by te.c. Dutch rt-
gtioents. 'MUTE, APIIII. It.
Capo d'lstria surrendered at 7 o'clock last night,
after having three days defended itself wits the
utmost rigour. During the capitulation, nn F.tig-
-1 M frigate, which wits unacquainted with the cir-
cumstance that the town was capitulating, tired
a,mitt au shot on the place, which, however, is
Ina little iluiliaged.

MILAN, MAI 10.
The f...l:nwipg notr, peoreetlioog from thr !wool-
9mortrr.. of the liny, hob ihi‘ moment pub-
Is lora

I.OV A ns'ca, MAY g. three del in the morning.
On the reviving of the ph, his Imperial Ilighartsr the I.e. '
avid in Chief, ordered.that the msluy s!gould paw the pi..e
on the day following. !haring lite irlithi every preparatom
wan made for carrying thin 6,41 enterprire tato • location.
The passage wesefficted at three yestirdsy morning; half
the army.satr ricrn,s, it:nl the tither half tinted the river is
pretence of the earemy, who was encamped on the other
aide, and was owoord by false attack. on other prints.
Hastily was the ps,tage !fretted' then the l'reso troops
threw theinaelvev noon the enemy. The eavahy, thy a It,.
geura, no.l the artwM ry, prrforuseil pro.lat of. of vitkost. The
eueintirizers were Conduit a:: nod the instant they
were at.) %OCT rani" tir4k,n.

The enrol, kale kft n enn,idierable numhtr el killed wed
wee,vled co the Sett( of beak. ...tenons' I 1,. tomer are loc.
vend Grum*, pookoplerly Licat.feeutral I) 1)1. sq.t. IV.

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State lan 18 pleat% of tuition, soil a ntimber of Amts.
The General Coniiniusd.ng the artillery. and the Colon:soder
of the'ervalty, have been taken, tad sell ea a astabcr of other
officers, and an itifiney void/els. The enemy's army was
iu complete route. Tr,..ter 'the Prince-Central-in-Chief
pursues his brilliant arleasitszcs, and to-aiglat or to.utorrow,
I detailed account v ill be of a victory as brilliant from
the boldness of die pesh *Mai produced it, as front the
erpluits which wii: f.w.pfiteraollet, holm on the army of
Italy..—(Monitrur )
aaYoxxe, SLAY 10.
The Conrier from Mettrid is arrived this morn-
ing. Ile brings tau fresh intelligence of the armies
Vr Inch are :advancing on the side of Extremadura and
Andalusia. The Duke of Treviso is arrived on the
plain of Astotga; his line extends to Madrid. tie-
Herat Kellerman has effected his junction with the
Duke of Elehingen. It is even -aid that the
French have entered Oviedo, the capital of Astoria,
without resistance. Time Insurgents of this kingdom
have DO menus of escape but by sea.

FRANKFORT, MAY 15.
According to accounts from Ratislron. the ad-
vanced guard of the French army entered Vicuna
oil the 9th. The Emperor was expected to make
his entrance on the lUth or thc

Ve have this moment received intelligence that
tae city oh Vienna, on the 7th, sent a deputation to
Ilia Majesty the Emperor Nupoleoii, to implore his
fawn*, Mid oiler their submission.

Accniding to letters front Augsburg, His Ms.
jesq, the Emperor Napoleon has given the duchy
of 14laliurg to the Herillitury Prince of Bavaria.—
(Utrecht Courant, May 32.)

SALZBURG, MAY 3.
The j..urnal of this city contains a proclamation
of the Nlarlhal Duke of Ditntaic to the inhabit.
auto. ich, woong other things, it is said—

" You ever again return under the Guverntuent of
Austral: fetes/nu' you. The militia (I...traducer)
dual rout. r boost t In) down their -.ernl at
Slaburs4. At.. ,V 1.411111311( ~ L ols the nooo,a bliall not
Is . M laid &wit th..sr arms will,. . sett dit)st rts,ll he hued
ate,: treat.. .1 MAI m.'.i. -try srrorit•

In the saute . e Tyrolese are thus
tuldres.ed

" Hasten to avert tire c-h,n.i.v which threatens you. You
hat rim other choice, than swrily submission, ur ass (nti-
mite defence, which most oec.e.ion the rain apse country.
kiwi rerOUI it to the clauenr!. of the greatest of Emperor.,
situ Ahem e ilie same. If you itelay looser, it will be too late.
Lay ujuwa your arms —.Tyrolese save your country."
The will of llis .Majesty the Emperor of the
French is, that the country of Sielztaurgh ►hall be
govern-al in his name. Various measures hove in
consequence been taken by the Marshal Duke of
Dentate, Commander-in-Chief of the Bavarian
aratiy.—(4auterdam Royal Courant, Noy 19.)
LANDSHUT, 14A 1r 4.
It is known that the Austrian troops, at their
ru-
trance into Bavaria, met with no resistance, but
were suffered to advance to the batiks of the leer.
'!'heir first appearance :t I.l.ml:tient, from which
1; ivanans bad retired to the opposite hank of
the her, was almost comic. Some Austrian Cilium
were seen to side fell gallop through the
city, with enormous bundles of paper,—These
were thousands of espies of the Proclama-
tions of t. . Archduke Charles, to the ljavarians
and the germait nation, by which :t was hoped to
excite revolt. Several of these Proclamations were
sent to the Aavarotti advanced posts, or placed ou
the bridge over the bier, which had not yet been
broken down.

THE BRITISH PRESS.

LON DON,
FRIDAY, MAY 46.

At eight o ^k, last morning, the Park and
Tower guns wen, iiied, ►n honour of the entrance
of the British army into Oporto, and the victories
which preceded it, obtained over Marshal Sint.?
by Sir ARTWUR WEI.I.RILEY. At ten o'clock the
details were published iw an EXTRAORDINARY
GAZETTE, u copy of which is given in the front of
this paper. The insult of the several actions was
highly hoisonv.ili!i to the British arms; but we
question whether the success was of that decided
nature and esteut, to he announced in the way in
winch We proclaim our most illiaut vial important
victories. It will not surprise: us to find, that the
French claim the victory upon the lOth, a►►d certain.
ly Ovens() following clays ware very sharply contested.
Some guns it ere fired last aight,about 8 o'clock, and
it was generally reported, that an account lied been
received of a fresh victory ; but, on inquiry, we
learned that the tiring proceeded from the River
Feneibles, and did not take place at the Park or
the Tower. That Sir A aritu WILLEILET would,
however, follow up his success with promptitude,
and that we may anticipate fresh advantages over
the enemy in his retreat, is almost certain : us, on
the night after the kit action, when our parties
were sent out to t►ace the course of the enemy,
they were blowing up their tnu►hrils, and destroy-
ing their ammunition : Marshal BERESFORD had
taken the road to Chaves, end Sir A. WIELLEsLmr
to Braga, to cut off their retreat.