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81:CRET INFLUENCE.

Mr. 11 TBREA DT n promised mo-
tion upon the subject of the Earl of Chatham's
Evidence, sand of His Majesty's Answer to the Ad-
dress, sad, it was now seven slays since Ise had sub-
• led to the Houses proposition, founded upon a
suspicion of unconstitutional conduct, upon the part
of ass officer employed is the 'Scheldt Expeess Soil.
His endeavours, upon that occasion, were, to the
real honour of the House, crowned wills sue•
Cr Sl. An Adslreos had been presented to His Ma•
j• sty, in consequence, applying for the narrative or
memorial, supposed to have been in his possession.
Asir!, upon the Answer to that Address, he founded
his present motion. He would trprat, that the
I louse had done itself immortal honour upon that
occasion. It had performed an act, upon whirls
future ages would look back with gratitude and
spolausc ; and which, they mu•st themselves reflect
upon with pride and approllalose. Thee had per.
formsd nu act, which must redound to the honour
attic country at lar,ze, and redeem the character of
that House, in the cesimation of mankind in gene-
ral. It was probably in the recollection of Mem.
Isers, that, upon sorstioning his Lord.hip as to the
narrative, st was contended by Ministers, that it
might contain mune private matters, tit only
for the Sovereign ear to understand, too delicate
sand subtle fur the inspection of au House

of Commons. Upon the other liana, it was',
Manned, that they had a right to put au) tiuestiour
and this right lee would spin, mid tnr evoi
insist, they had, bounded certainly by ti J11(11141041
discretion, which it became them to consult upon
all occasions. They would probably remember
also that the Chancellor of the Exchequer stated,
that what they 'wanted might be come at by an
Address ; but such wile the consistency and tea:-
dour of the Right Hon. Ge..t. that %hell his recton-
mendatiou was adopted, and the Address moved,
he exerted the utmost of his ineffectual porter
to resist and defeat it, The Mame, testa eltst ;tid-
ing, was successful, and the Address was veled.—
Such were the circumstances under ,l if! II they
thought proper to concur with him at these itcried.
But how different was the case at pre-cut, they now
were in possession of the fact which they only con-
jectured then ; they now knee a hat then they hod
but suspected. They knew that Jahn Earl of
Chatham had committed an act impiorr and un-
constitutional ; that he had approached the Throne
as a favourite, acid 414 a minion; and, forgetting Ins
own high situation, furgetting the respect which lee
owed to his rank and character, bad coedit. ted
himself in a manner, which that House of Cotu-
mons must notice a ith indignation, aversion, and
contempt. if it 141 been tier case of an onlinary
witness, he would not huge troubled them with the
present motion ; for the question in that case must
have been long ago decided, it' an ordinary witness
had been guilty of such inconsisuticies. If, on a
comparison of what he had raid tipoti one day, with
what he had said upon another, they Intimd that
there was equivocation, prevarication, or contra-
diction, in his teatimony, he would have been
treated as lie deserved. Equal justice should be
done; but his Lordship had the protection of Peer-
age, and was nu ordinary witness. The resolution
which he should propose, would upply to the con-
stitutional part of the question. It api.eared, that
John Earl of Chieham did, on the lath of Janua-
ry, without consulting any of his colleagues, make
use of his privilege, as a Cabinet Nlinister, to com-
municate a narrative to the King, upon the subject
of the Scheldt Expedition ; that this narrative im-
plicated the conduct of another Officer in n serious
manner, and was requested to be kept back for the
present—which present, however, extended from
the leth'of January to the 7th of February.—
The reasons stated by his Lordship for this pro-
ceeding, whets questioned in the Committee, were
so different, at different times, that it was impos-
sible to discover what they acre. Ile allowed that
lie withdrew the narrative afterwards, and that his
reason for so (Whig wee, to cease a paragraph, the
substance of which lie would not disclose. It was
on the 7th of February that he withdrew it' for this
purpose, and upon the loth of the same month he
tendered it to Ilia Majesty again. He tendered,
according to his own phrase, • narrative to the
King, which implicated the Naval Commatwler,
with whom he acted, no less than twelve limes, and
withdrew a paragruple containing a matter of opi-
nion, which he would not explain. What was to
be inferred from this, but that that paragraph, which
be so refused to explain, was au addif I slur upon
the abused individual who had had the m sforttitte
to act in concert with him ? But the narrative,feven
in its amended state, was not read to the King ;
no, it wits tearfered to him ; and from him com-
municated to the Ministers of the Crown. Was not
this unconstitutional ? Was not this a dangerous
precedent at all times, particularly now ? The
present Monarch, during his long reign, was, per-
leaps, more beloved, thou ever Monarch was be-
fore ; but that he was loved, he owed to his own
virtues; and whatever evils were cape ricnced under
his Government, were chargeable upon his serv-
ants. Evils, alas ! had been esperieaced, and they
were not without authority as to their source. They
had the word of the great William. Earl of Chat-
barn, the father of the person whom he now stood
forward to accuse. That great and distinguished
character, whose talents, virtue., and principles,
had earned for him a title, inure splendid than un-
ited Kings could have bestowed, the title of The
Great Commoner ;" that character, whose fame
had extended to all quarters, and who, before he
descended into the Peerage, had earned for himself
a dignity, which the Peerage could not confer ;
that great character had said, that he was deprived
of power by a secret influeuce ; lie had com-
plained that the ground was rotten under his
feet; and yet, fur a repetition of that very senti-
ments there was a person now in gaol, punished
with the loss of his personal liberty. Such was
the progressive nature of' secret influence, that it
could not he complained of, in the present day,
with impunity. What was before problematical.
was now clear ; it was found that the secret in-
fluence, against wlnch the great Lord Chatham re-
monstrated, did mint, and, by tt strange fatality,
existed at present in the person of his son. A secret
adviser, a hidden disposer, a myaterious something,
was always suspected. When :Ministers came to
act, they found themselves rounteructed, but 'weer
until now teas it so clearly mid unequivocally ex-
posed to the country and to the world. Ile did not
attach any blame to His Majesty, who had been
deceived by the counsels of others, but he thought
it was high time that his eyes should be opened to
the nature of the mistake, that he should be told
that the British Constitution knew of no adviser,
but the ostensible Ministers of the Crown, who
were responsible to the people for the advice they
offered. But this was not all ; Lord Chatham
had not simply offended against the ptiticiples
of the constitution ; he had also attempted to
stir up an opposition between the naval and mi-
litary forces, which had been heretofore to united,
which, in the whole course of this long and dis-
astrous war, had never been hoard to complain
of each other. but at rose to communieste, respec-
tively, the glory of which each was ambitious. Lord
Chatham, it was true, had praised Sir R. Strachan,
in his dispatches ; he had praised the fleet under
Isis command ; but, afterwards, he insinuated to
the disadvantage of both, in it manner the most
disingenuous; he tendered his narrative at a
time whoa no inquiry was intended by ;Ministers,
though imptiry had been since wrung from them
by the House of Commons ; he proceeded darkly
and secretly to stab the Constitution, to stab the
reputation of Sir Richard Strechan, mid the fame
of the Navy of Greet Britain. at a time when he
hoped that no discovery could he made, and nn
detection hazarded. Oct what dal lee ray nh; n

qttettionetl upon this subject ? (1,
till
he bad prese-ettleit it. merely fir:',to lie Leve• -dry ; hut, swim, en 1., ja^t
"
further, he laid; that it w:is Ili I 911,,e,"'
11131,
liatrilfar Of Sir lel lard Si uctitch.,
ilna own :Mould il,Sirou% that Ids
ioppciaast should zip' ea.
that!. I*
did Itr
dt
sure to effect it ? did he cone, ri lii 74 ",
in
St•-achtio fur th .t ptifpo,
ki,ew that Si, Richard Strac:i.au „„: ill; •
fur u mat rat e, um!, know lug I hut, It, - (.1"
II CM the 15th of .I..ittlart, lit un
illipt•iir at the same time with one %,,,,,i;
nut have exiatetril. On being
knew if Sir Richard Struchun had prt'ie:t"ivir„
ratite at that tune? he answered, that he. I
.fu:o.rilo:iii:ssii,l:l,;:f:t.iiisl3l:l:,l:;;l:tee:slr.ie:
It
he iet:tiol :atiki
t he Itad 1W i„trution,
all this, alter the twelve differein
made, should he be untlionsed to thrlroi I-
.6'
his firebrands in sport? %%lintel-yr his intemc at
have been with respect to tie urine .'n.inq.!
hod effect was likely to ensue ; IS
planted, they would continue to net
concert et before this nufurtumete rem
the b•-netit of their country, and the ailisui;', I
their fellow-saki nets. cts. upoloiii-eil for tie.r.,
Mg so lung upon the time of the Ilan*.'
was anxious for the success of Ins iteition• hr y
in every fibre of his frame it was not .11
anxiety, it was an unxi• ty that the (hone shun
act, as became it, upon it great an
t
tent entistitational question. mac tliat titre
detected the secret influence, and *ern thsi ti
as actually done, which, before, thee only sumo
eel to have been dour, and did not ;Joe: to re ,1
tend it, they would act a part imutuastent ui
their former conduct ; but if Ore co.curreil si
kiln in expressing their sense of ;ts improarie
they would odd another wreath to the glory la,
for Mer day. No Parliament, however
email have acquitted itself in n manne: nir,:e v.
formable to the true si.it it of the nerveinn i-a
that had done upon the i ccasion which he n
implored it to imitate. Ile concluded with IL6II
Resolutions to the follnwing effect :
That it appeared to the Huse, that .lad r,
Chatham, haring maltreated kart. of {las 11,3•5 a% 1,. pie,
a Narrative respecting else Expeditioo to the
on the lath of January last, transmit it to ;,,',
That he withheld all Lane kge of it from Hie Mai 7. .
misters, suit from the Natal Commander wbss,:co.:
seriously implicated . That, on the tutu .
mi bias own request, re:tarot-it to him for the poi •
pressing's paracraph That, on the isth of I /moan-,
preseuted to His Majesty again, that paragraph,•huil
a matter of tiphaioo, bring erased, but the sub.i.e..•
which the Home wit usable to ucestaim That i!,
John, Earl of Chatham, by such conduct, was grins
uurnmailitlional act, %Inch the flume felt it to be n.•
to reprehend."
Mr. Ps:acts-AL begged leave to set hiunelf
with the llouse, after the naisrepresetituniai s
had been mad, of his conduct upon a f,gotn.r
The Hon. Gentleman had stated that the tole
the flouNe upon that occuaiou had done it lain-
tal honour, having established a great eret•,;
tional principle; but accused him (Mr. Pere i.
of inconsistency. It was true he hail raid
Privy Counsellor, having Waken an lath t^ t
effect, shouhl not reveal any of Ills Nlajtstv.s
croft', without special permission. and h”rt 11:at
affected by the vote of the other night he rihl t
know. He had stated, that if there ii i, soy eel
which they wished to discover. the best attar-
coming at it was by an Address, and that ii
an Address was voted, he would advise ll,s \Jar
to agree to it. But how did such a dirt r.e
exclude him from the right 0111,0. e the
lion. The Hon. Gentleman had said. it ,v,s a
right, but should be exercised with discrete,:
How then could he blame hint (Nit. I'rrr
who, rectsguisiog the right, was poi*
exercise the discretion. Ile did question it in
instauce. Ile thought that was not an ic
sion upon which the right should be enforced.
admitted the competency, but denied the i
diency. Having set hitnielf ots right that poi'.
would now proceed to notice the unitive. If
former vote consigned the House to immortal
the present, he thought, was little calculated to
to its honours. Ile hoped, that when pen
honour and character were concerned, they a'
adopt more caution, and allow more time ii, it
Idnhourable Gentleman seemed indict d to ea.
the early part of yesterday he had gii en to ti
motion, respecting the evidence of Lord t;
ham, and His Majesty's acswer to the Ada
upon hearing of it, lie (Mr. Perceval,) a•
whether he could think it tight to bring filv
such a motion, until the evidence op,. prniti
'llse answer he received. was, that if the (ell.
wits not printed that day, he would not hi iii
forward. Another Gentleman, it teas true,
afterwards said othenvise ; hot with what to,
would ark was the evidence lona, d. anti 'tl ""
confidence did many of the Alembers t
selves from the Inquiry ? was it not upon tie r:
deuce that no decision would he taken aunt
papers, necessary to that dist:melan, were priet
The Hon. Gentleman himself sectocil so come:
of this, that he said lie a ould put the e..tilnecc
tirely out of the question. lint lona dal lit h!,
out of the question ? did he nut make it the pu
of inflammatory declamation, and a Gull Oil I.
it creditable to their proceedings if they
consign an individual to opprohriUto
because that individual happens II to in
and polities from the Hon. ( 'lent. oppoite :
sure lie
that the reputation of the Ncble I .^rd.
standing that misfortune, was as dear to the
as that of any other indtvicloal, for the rIA-P,''
of all were equally protected owe. Uut
could be the advantage of deciding this
upon Friday, rather than upon Nlorolar ? was:
better, even for the appearance
defer it to et late day, if there was 1,0 ,ilaq
quence than prcjudning Lord Cliattpiti, 1,, a •
teral way ? wits it not a proceeding, that sl
avoided ? What he pritytd tar, w'44
they might have an opportunity t,O
their vote. The Hun. Gentl..m.to had ch•,
that his evidence of the t3il and tlie 27th, v, •e
*nested, page by page ; were the I 0 :-•'"
to say, that there was any man ple:erl• i.•
Rinke tie contrast so insisted oil.

Inch of the critnllialitv of Lad li. "
dn,t, inogt depontl tspo.l the motr, v
ttpin•ind to {rive hezn ino.trnce,l I'

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raouil for areribiug to 1 int siteh motives as had
sn litter:o4 attributed by the Hon. Gentleman.
11; el
erl outi not only think it tight that the House
hnuld espri as itself as he had recommended, but in
mcli stronger ; it was frotn the whole
a ,stunner II
the evidence that the motive was to be collected,
and not from detached facts ; if he hail not endea.
v. mired to stab the fame, stud asperse the reputation
of a gal int officer, he (Mr. Pereeval) would he one
of the last men to
propose a mitigation of the cell-
sore of that House, then so justly excited. Hot
teas there any thing in Lord Chatham's character
o countenance such an opinionr?-s-sras there any
to
in the transaction ibielf to give it probability ?
list was out the advocate or defender of the counts!
which then obe Ld hail thought proper to pow-
plrepaorer d tstate. that the delivering
sue. H
of the narnative to His Alejesty, without (badman!:
his purpose In any one, was not a condnet which any
man eaul.l approve of. Bat then the victims' was.
With what punishment would the 'loam resolve to
„i4it it ?.....aa.nreilly, according to the Motive ; if the
lucrative was inteimet To -condemn Sir R. Strecker',
ohy did he dela" to ilelivert so long? or, why
waS it made public at all ? If it was intended to
remain
Teret. hid from the face of day, why
should he have taken it h mit, for the purpose of
sroodioz it ? The situation iu which his Lord-
ship was placed was a complicated one. From au
eb,ervation of the consequences, he (Mr. Perceval)
should never again advise that a Commander of
an Expedition should he a Othinet Minister, out
efrest. the mixed character. mixed ditties and feelings
Bat it was sot fair to infer from that m-
e
msses, when the ;topless, feeling was so meat
'gyp • 4 him, as ConMiander of the Expedition,
that he ass induced, by any illiberal or malignant
&dr', to act the part he had taken. He world
add, too, Ipt lie hod spoken of the Expedition. that,
from the evidenee which appeared at the bar, no
misconduct could attach to the Noble Lord in the
reauct Or it. tie had erreneoasly. he would allow,
determined to deliver a narrative to His Majesty ;
hut, though lie disapproved of that step, he did sot
think it deserving of thane epithets which had been
am copiously bestowed upon it. He thought it
rodent, from the nature of the thing itself, that
they s'ormuld adjourn the consideration till Monday
nest. The Hon. Gentleman had attributed to Lord
Chatham an Intention of spreading dissension be-
tween the two services; bat there was ne reason for
supposing any such thing. lie had stated that the
riper was given in at a time when His Majesty's
Government had determined there should be no
inquiry ; bat it was deteratiiied long before that
time, to lay the papers which induced the Govern-
ment to send the Expedition, before them ; and
which wrist to corroborate the fact, that no blame
could attach is either servii e. ft was strongly
lamated to him by the Gentle.nen MI the opposite .
t.itte, that if he hail any regard for his own cha-
racter slid dignity, he would not remain an instant
"tithe Cabinet ith Lord Chat', a moifter hal disdain-
ing to elimailt them ; it was, indeed. an may_ task to
sassier, Gentlemen had only to wait until Mitsisters
acted, and then to slide how march better it would
hum been, if they had ogled in the routrary manner.
if bail Chatham had acted in the manner, sod
with the motives attributed to him. he would have
to liNititiou to say, that such a person should no
lase:er iw a colleague of his; but, under all the eir-
C111114i1110.11 of the ease, if they discarded hit% while
YR 191111111 was isahendiseg over them all, *hat
• then be staid ? Maid it net be void, that
they had taken advantage of the slip g a colleague,
is order to ',tine themselves? He would not
almodsn a colleague under such eirconistataces ; be
cal not mean ts sty that he would defend luro,
Ilk sr wson4; hot, involved in 14t1IllirtIt400111 elver,
be would not desert him. He had now meted the
rtaiois u:reso wbiclt tic thought they ahotrid post-
puke till, grist flotation till Mooday next ; either
upon this hi.4hr, or apnu Monday, it was his inten-
tynissi to more, that it should not be put at all.
He had an objection to naming it that night, ter, 1
that4ii he was iscrwmailly ',repaired to take this
eftes , lie did nut think that the Members. in ge•
stab were sufficiently micquainted with the evi-
dowts to pronounce a decided opinion either way.
He would. thorefore, propose, that it should be
adjourned to Monday Peet.
Mr. Laa ND disapproved of the manner in which
IneChancello• of the Exchequer attempted to taro
The dribste. The question before them nos a greet
.4acount-tool question, laud the evidence quoted
ky hi. lion. Friend, nothing but a contirination of
Carfi
charge. e »oak] take the liberty to make a
fe.
oh.ervations upon time mousier in which the
Ihght ilea. Gesitlernan (Mr. Preceral,) had con-
cocted the &ream or a Cabinet Minister. The
(milieu, as proposed, was • great eonstitu-
;tam' question ; but the Right !Immutable Gen-
Milan had eurleavoured to convert it into •
illiberal, pentane, attack; and said, that it
usual) 10-eatme Lord Chatham) differed from them
ash" that their censure was so loud against
ao. For his owe part, he should say. that
din. dearest friend was in office with him. and con-
duit-1 hina*ell in such a manner ma Lor I Chatham
had dour, lie would despise him us a politician,
and
rize.tin halo as a man. His Hon. Friend, so far
liati:sg used the language attributed to him
liaflaininatory declamation). had condacted himself
tareatthant, with the utmost moderation. amid with
all that ahil.ty
bwohictehrl of
was accustomed to display.
st
lamentation with the great-
Om secret influence existed; an influence
east *lli justly represented as dangerous to the
mdtmo, and to the Isappioess of the country.
Tioted Mr. Burke, who tia.:ed the hit-
' ur tier toil. and expo-ed its consequences to
I:,W .titi...tizig toina,menerid.) If the ti latency of the
pronotiove an 0,,i ~ ion upon lord
* testimony. he 'solid be as anxious as
6a tar the delay slow re asmotrudal ; but us
14, ran •
Il Itun;""II Vestioo was completely aeparate
met lemma that. lie noshed that it fthould he
busia:disiely. In this awe, tier favourite
C orc was admitted to the ear of the Save-
trilege he had abitatsi. The system
vas
Jere ed in it* crterations ; a
" nutmust al tiasately tend to make
'4o.rrortie,ll t:be set vice perplexed,
rotate. 10,4TUIC

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1%47•14 V Kir Corn pi111..01C:11 Mr. Whithreml
tc.i.p,r And moderation 41'144-aved by him in
44, tviward th.s IA ^11011; y. t, if the parkin,'
"t 140 i only of great cunstitut;o3.ll inert'

acme, but of thestmest tonseqeenee, ai imprieat•
ing the character of an 'stilted individual, it
ought ro he brought On at a tome when not even
the shadow of on objection, or argument of pre&
potency, could he raised against it) either by the
House, or uny Member of it. This was his opinion ;
and though he did not think it was at all rasteoial
to look ut the pduted inmates of the premed exa-
minetion of Lord Chatham. ret, were it only to
avoid the argument of thee 'emotes being adverted
to, as he understood they were in one of the reso-
lutions, while they were not fully before the Nov..,
he should deem It expedient to postpone the din.
cuseion fill Monday, when they would be fully in
possession of the whole. Hid the previous question
been put on this °cession, he would not have sup.
ported it ; but the short adjournment proposed was,
he thought, for the reasons he had just stated, ed.
visable. Not that he was adverse to the modals.—
He wes free to say, that, if he did not hear stropigcr
arguments on the subject, on Monday, then he
had this.night heard been the Hight Hon. Gently.
man (the Chancellor of the Exchequer), he must be
compelled to perform whet must ever be a painful
duty, and mark with the reprehension of Parlia-
ment the cooduct of the Noble Earl, which was the
subject of their discussion. The House must not
pass over even en acknowledged tenor, without
some reproof end expre.sion of the sense they en-
tertained or it. Bat this we. of great co.istitu-
tional, as well as individual importance, and it was
better even that it should he lately than rashly de.
tided on. if they attempted to do an this night, all
the early part of their dither would 4.1 occupied,
not on the merits of toe questiot. i•orlf, but ou the
fitness of the time, and at u late hoar they would
come to a decision, without having sufficiemly in•
vestigated so vital a subject.

Mr. WHITSSEAD observed. that as * new ques-
tion had oriseis, though be was •.rare he was not
entitled to speak again, yet he treated the Hauge
would indulge him for a few ;Moines; and tlw more
so, as what he had to say might be the nouns of
shortening the present debate. The Right Hon.
Gentle man opposite had Lkeo the only possible
ground on which a cora could he raised. The
fact was, that be had agreed last night to postpone
his motion till %social, unless the minutes of
the second examination of Lord Chatham were
printed, and distributed in time for the perusal of
Members this day. He had gone to the rote vthce.
to inquire if they had been delivered, and learnt
that they bad sot ; but,oll coating into the House,
tie was mkt bed by an Hon. Fuirud, that the mat-
ter had been settled, after he left the House last
night, and that it would certinoly conic oat to-d.iy.
But what was the real state of the (location with
respect to these minutes, when he had so construct-
ed his resolutions, as not tar embrace la smote point
contained in them, except tioe small porno] ph. which
any Gentleman could understand, from its lying oil
the table, iii the twhilthog oleo eye. /Hear!) Under
these circumstances, hr did rut expect to be ac-
cused of wishing to hasten on, prematurely, any
decision. implicating the character of an individual.
He did net expect to be accused of wishing in ►ake
the House by stirprie. Hr should hay.: thought
the Right Hon. Gentleman oppoote would have
had little inclination again to try the esperinsint
of eudeavooritig to prevail on tha. H .use to post-
pone their discussions front Friday to Munday.-..
And what was to be done oil Monday ?—The
Hou.Gentlemsu had told them he would more the
peerless question. He *,shed him joy of his estate
for two days; but, lest it might be imputed to him,
that Ire bad attempted surprsr, and would.con.ent
to the adjournment till Monday, on this express
condition and understanding. that the House would
immediately take up the adjuurised debate, and
' that nothing of any sort of interference of other
mitre, so far as detwaided nit the Right Hon.
Gentleman, should take plsc4l
General GROSVENOR thenked the Hon. Gentle-
men for bringiug forward this i;i,russion. He was
persuaded. in so far as he we. enabled to view the
ease. that the more the conduct of his Noble Friend
(Lord Chatham) was canvassed, the more the House
would be satisfied with that conduct.

General Lorrus. alluding to the understanding
come to by Mr. Whitbread last night, conceived
that the House had his pledge not to bring on this
subject tamight, and he was surprised, on coming
down to the House, to find the case otherwise.
The CVANCILLOR of the EICNIQUIR acceded
to the proposition of Mr. Whitbread, awl the de-
bete was adjourned till Monday. when it will take
precedence of all other business.
Mr. CreevWs motion, which stood for Monday,
was postponed till Thursday.
The CHAUCULLOS of ibe EICHINIVER noticed.
that accounts of the expense of the Portuguese
army taken into British pay, sisal of the numbers
of that army, which were necessary to the discus-
sion of that question, could not be laid before the
House tall Monday. He therefore proposed to
postpone the debate, on this subject, which stood
for to-day. till Friday nest. This was agreed to.
Mr. P.IiIISONDY proposed, that if the Scheldt In-
quiry could not pmesilily he gone into on Monday,
ell account of the other important thecussion which
would occupy the House, it might stand for Tues-
day.—Agreed to.
Mr. C•LCRATT understendiog. from the return
kid before the House, that the Board of Ordnance
haul when no security from Mr. Hoot. gave notice
that Ire would call the attention of the House to this
on Thursday. tith Morel).
PLACES IN REVERSION.
Mr. HA IM LI brought op Use Report of the Com-
mittee appoiuted to a.x4soine the Jootirels of the
Lords on the poliect of the Reversion Dill. which
was laid on the table. fk then gave notice, that be
womild, ea Tuesday next, move fur an Address to His
Meje,ty, praying that no more plates rn revension
might be granted.
The subject of the ..wortotino of foreign linen
was discussed iu n Committee, sad their report or-
dered to be received on Montle). _

l'ite Mutiny 801 l woo read n 9.cond time, sod
bralsired to be committed ou Monday.

COASTING WARFARE.

Lord Cot mason said. he had given notice, at the
end of last session, of his intention, tally in the pre-
sent, to call their attention to the subject of co-
operating with tip- Spaniards. be esorloyilig a mili-
tary force afloat on their coa.t., in the Mediterr...
ne4u. This, he was cony netd, would be the best
Leans of assisting the Spanish people, and allay) ing

theeaeaty. who °mottled the *bale coast of Cata-
lonia, in small drtaehments. of from 60 to itoo
area. by which olefins they krpt down the countr).
Dad kept open their eon etimmunications.
righted to kaow if Miiiiriens were taclified to act co
the system which he had laid ',flare them.

The CHA cEi.t.on of the EXCUEQU Si I hotaght it
would he better in the Noble Lord not to titfor.n
the enemy of what was the best mode for their an-
noyance..
Lord COCIIRAXI disclaimed any such inteution,
and had the subject come to be &wooed, he would
have cleared the gallery. to p►event it. rln.closure.

esseitirrod myself is hawing given up thi actual eommsod
of th, 3rrny to it I left the IVlzaie of %Vat.
cher,. , I gave it up to Ltro:tnent-C..eral Sir Eyre ;
I Iris utf the stuff, nu it um, cxlt. d, of met Ymipc.l.ttuj, its
lba usth of %;opteuther
Duties the twelve' lirt.rin your Lordship', return from
Wakhetci. mind the of your commanJ, did the

I) r.turte'llg 41.4 P•ao , Z COMMA/1•1,141:.'er alt
Its atffirult, s, .a.tce‘t •If to yuur I..urdeltsp's
thel i, t,“ O. KS :at libuty to have returned;
I bad gives, up the eurout.nd by order (rum the Secretary of
State.

Did the appointment of your Lordship's Staff erase on the
nth of Srpteniber really cuonut positively say, but I
. .

. . . .
take for grantid it ilid.
Of how loony Aidn.rle•ramp did your Lordship's Staff con-
sist '—l think it cousisind of three 1 %oppose the qurstiou
is meant to refer to uffirers on pay. Th.re is one Aid-de-
. _ .

camp to roc as blast( r-t; rnrral Ur...the Onivaoce ; that 1 ap.
prebend toot to be included on the queetion.

Your Lordship arrived at Baths oil the 24th of August ;
was that the lint Case of your Lordship's being there

t►ink it was.

Did poor Lordship think the bombardment of rlushing
siessitsary to its reiinection, or might it not hare fAlleis by in-
vestment on invested fur the purpose of Init.% at-
tacked

Roo the bombardment of Flosisiog accessary to its reJue-
' gee !..--The place was regularly besieged; it was uut uteri ly
•

Your Lordship having staled that you bail rereivrii odor
aatioa that Cuts the state of the works of Auteero, Antwerp
wan liable tit be taken My a eaarste mein, front a hunt J.d
•

your Lordship receive that information'-It was iv the in-
forinatior winch has been laid upon Cie table i I received it
front the Secretary of State officially.
Did may courervatiou lawn between your Lordship and
time Secretary of State' opt 11 .be subject of taking Antwerp
by • essup-de.losotr—ldo not know absolutely by a c Alp de.
seen; but I bad coeversatimos as to whether it might net
betaken withost a regalar arse, ye without • bombard.
went.

In what way was it peopoard at that tine that Aat..erri
shouhl he taken, if not 117 • cnsp•de ynrie yet willr.ut •—ze

wr butobartlitieut the're had been an opening fo. It from
the state of the works, and the wenkoess of the garl.iw,
probably by assault.
Did Load Csstlereagh expre s to -our Lordst..p any ex-
pectation tbst Antwerp womb! be 'Awn by asssoli
itertsioly expreisird sorb expectation, under tit, encuta•
stances wl.:cli I bare stated.

Those circumstances mean the intelligence to vrtsi..6 snot
Lordship ha:ref:wed heal in so had a state,
and the gamier so wreak ma to admit of such • tile ware.

Did Lonl C:..sleseath ioCrm your Lor.iship that be sup.
pose 4 the works to be so weak, awl OW isnl.oll to he smelt
a state, no that )our Lonlstop would he ahlo 14 lab. 't by es-
iseilt?—.lie seemed etetai•sly to thi3k that it inaght oe pos.
aibleottwirr, the tsvnarahle curr Onvilanr.“ I have metstio-;ssi

With all 16e iiitelligroce submitted to 'tier I.K .hip bf
Lord Castlereagh, did your Lordship ever entertain nay
expectatius that you Phvuid be able to take Am aelp by as-
sault !--1f that iutell:geiive, which represeeted for win dew
card state of the work., and the abreacr of troops ta be
great extent slated is souse of the isitellozener, had toraed
out to he true, I eeemaily tlics.;:bt it miAlit !wee been tan.
giblet° bare liken Antasrp by imam Inertias attack, pro-
bably by assault

Is the Committee to understand, that the only intellgeore
upon which those nos ~,,, err ass the in-
telligenee now before the Committee !—I hardly know how
to *newer that question ea:wily, because th• Secretor! of
State might have other intelligence; I do nut exactly knee
whether the intelligence laid upon t►e tahle here is at the
intelligence, but I concede it a all the intelligence the Su-
gretory of State posse.-ed.
Did your Lordship ever make any disposition in roar own
mind, or give Ally Inrom..tilni to any gentr4 otliine nailer
yunr Lordship, of the mobability of an o•ozalt beulg under
taken upon Antwerp?—No disposition certaialy I Le-
heve I stated ou a former nig'.l) was made ur could liars
been made; it mast hate depended einieely un circus.
stances, and having rcconaeittied the place very atten-
tively.
Did your Lordship ever communicate to any general

err soder your command the expectation tinned is guar
Lordship'stoind awl that of Lord Castkreach, im the event
sf the intelliceme minims trim, of hs.og Mallets sorry ALA- •
weep by assault the event of the place beteg in av-
itiation 14 MAMA of it, I believe I at different tuxes con-
versed with different officers un the probability of idiom
iota, Antwerp withi.ut having recuume to a siege or a bows •
bardment ; on regular plan of smock was stated, fur tins
remora I have gives, am could be.
Will your Lordship state to the Cmmuitlee the names of
soy general officers with wham you coorer,d nu tb.• subject
of taking Antwerp by assault should tlikk I 11111111 have
mentioned it to all the general officers, or to all probably
with whom I had conversation on the subject.
Dries your Lordship recu!lect erre having mentioned the
subject to Sir John Hope ?—1 rather think not ; for this ma-
tron, that I had so considerable intercourse with Sir Jobs
Hope, till I um Is South &Pretend ; I saw him once at
Deal ; et the time I saw Sir John Hope is South Bevelar.d.
certainly I knew it could sot be then taken by assault.
Did VOW' Lordship ever communicate with Sir gyre Coots
epos the subject'-1 bare bad many conversations with Sir
Eyre Coate. _ .

Upon that subject '—l thick on every subject counected
with the enterprise, I hare coo cerscil With him them was
es
regular disposition or plan eomminiicated
Does your Lordship recollect baring any particular con-
versation marked so SS to call it to your mind with Sir lyre
Coots, on the taking of Antwerp by autos, and the proba-
bility of sneers.. in that enterprise !—I do nut recollect any
pointed or particular cementation ; I Mimic that he always
considered that our ulterior operations must be retaliated
wholly by circumstances after we lauded at S.iotsliet.
Previous to sailing, or at any other time, did yout Lord.
ship ever ask the opinion of Sir Eyre Cootie, as to the resets.
eability of taking Anton. p by assault, or the probabi:ity of
success in that euterprize:-1 did nut ask ray formal opini.
on no the subject of Sir Eyre Conte ; but I conversed with
him on different modes of operation we might pursue.
Was the opinion of Sir Eyre Coute crier ailed by your
Lordship, or given by Sir Eyre Goole tweaked. as to tie
practicability of taking Antwerp by assroilt, or the proba:n-
lity of success in gm rot.vprire ?—1 think anon nut I rout.
rein thrill he considered any operation to depend reboil
• circuanstanc.s at rotator lutes we lauded
lathe Committee to onderstaod that uu opinion was whoa
of or was green by Sir Eyre Coate on that puha, !v—Nis fin."
gel opinion.
Was any opinion at all'—No positive opinion ; there wet
no
formal or distinct opinion gives by Sir Eyie Coote.
Was any opinion at all, formal ur mfermsl, given to your
Lordship by Sir Eyre Coots, on that subject !-1 du not
knew that their we any seems at all given; because 1
know that he considered oar operations east be regulated by
circumstances *ben w. arrived.
Was any uptoMo ovio this ruhje. t asked by your Lord-
ship of Lord goorlyn .--No Opinion was naked •if Lei
Rootlet that I know of. vent. this *object ; I dui not under-
stand from Ingo that be knew any th.tig ul Antwerp.
Did your Lordship communicate Willi any ether General
°Seem your army, on the subject of 'be mach...own, of
taking Antwerp by assault think I hod coniorsanuoir
with some of the General Officers, but nu FAO kola.. roarer.
cation that I ran relate, upon the. subject.
Can your lordship nsme imp "Inc, cal Officer besides
Sir Eyre Caste tosiceire, as I sail 'afore, !lint taut
question most trove arises in root ....shun • rah all the Gest-
rol r/fireem, we talked general!, of she welter, 'dour turtling
operations; but ou di.t met opintutt was asked, because I Glad
alit curets., they could else one.
Dona your LowJaiiip re -011eci any markud fl131•17•Si011 Olt
that subject wroth Lord a soot deal of cones-
, sabot, tit di &legit tunes with I.f -I 1'.;!,11 100 wt recollect
any worked einurersatiiiii, that oi.. say Carina or distinct
I option.. g.ren by him mans that subj. et
With Gene. al Grow-virtue !—S have Lad conversation wit i
General Groivilt.o on the subject generally.
With Genera: Hrowarieg '—l had.
Upo• that p•otieslar point!--4)o that I i•,t.
l'..e• your lA. i'ship recollect the ciunceraat .nti at peed
barmy your Loiciabip and General bruise/egg so that par.

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I.
.41`01111,1
.r.,,T areribiug to I sae each motives as had ante, but of theutmest tonseqnence. si impteat. the enemy, who oecipled the whale meat of Cala- ceraidered myself es having given up the actual command
I 1,,.,,, i,t) Islierall) sttribated by the Hon. Gentleman, ing the character of an exalted individual. it lonia, in small detachineete. of from MI to 500 ~e th.. army to WiFlieimi WEE ii I tuft the Islend of IVO- i
I 'le "11l 1 not only tided(-it tight that the Iloure ought to he brought 011 at a time when net teen men, by which means they kept down the ntry eb:,:::' 15
aifft :11:,:°;f4;,4e.,: :::11,4„"dt:Co.i 'se::: 41,,L.,irp,E.j)ree,4"."1,,csii 1
~. I off the ,,,
t ..10,1,1 eepro us itself as he had recnmmended, hut in the shadow of *II objection, or argument of pteci. sad kept open their own continunicatious. H.!
their. e
It Illaillltt much atronger ;it was from the whole journey, could be raised ogeitist it, either by the wished to noose if Mitrirtem were taelitied to act 011 DuringtheB3
idle of i';,e tote. va• "tewheri betwrin your Lordship's return from
6 a the evidence that the motive was to be collected, House, or uny Member of it. This was his opinion ; the system which he had laid before em.
. Wilhite., mud the cce....iom of pet'. command, did the ).
if he had not ended- and though he (lid not think it was at all meterial The CNA lICE I. ton of the EX.:MAUS* I howalit il
and not from detached facts ;
fame, nod asperse the reputation to look at the printed inmates of the second eta- would he better in the Noble Lord not to lid'orin proiiriety of r.turoong And , c.a.., g the commas'', umh.r all
its diffieutri,-s, ei..... sneccet itslf to your Lordship's 'mod '
n
and
to nab the
de gel tot officer, lie (Mr. Pert real) would be one suinetion of Lord Clintlatn. ret, were it only to the euemy of what was the beet mode for their an. .....I ,lid s.• ce•irelie Leo Alf KA ill libea!). to hare returned;
I bad glen, up the cornet ndi by order from the Secretary of
propose a mitigation of the cesi- avoid the argument of them 'emotes being adverted moyance. , State.
or the last men to
then so justly excited. Dot to, as he understood they were in one of the rem- ''Lord COCIIRAXI disclaimed any such intention, Did the appointment of your Lordship's Staff cease on the
sore of that House,
end hurl the subject come to be diseu of, he would
1,
was there any thing in Lord Chatham's character 'unrest, while they were not fully before the Nov.., Bath of Septeniber t-I realty commit positively say, but I
lii tenimer such an opinloit.?-•-nas there any he shoeld deem *expedient to postpone the die- have cleared the gallery, to prevent its disclosure. take for granted it Md.
to CoonOf how many Aidiorle•ramp did your Lordship's Staff con-
a thing in the transaction itaelf to give it probability. cession till Monday, when they *Add be fully in LORD WELLINGTON'S ANNUITY. I sine ?-I think it cousisteel of three I suppose the genitive • I
He was net the advocate or defender of the course- nu,sirs,roir of the whole. Had the previous question Mr. LUSNINGTON brought up the report on iis meant to refer to officers oil pay. Th.re is one Aul-de-
-
1
which the Noble Lord hail thought proper to intro been put on this occasion, he would not have sup- Lord Wellington's annuity Lill. tamp to me as blaster-General of the Ordnance ; that I ap.
L,
me. •H, was prepared to state, that the delivering ported it ; but the short adjournment proposed was, Lord FOLILIITog g opposed its being received, on prebend not to be in in the question.
''t of the narmtive 0 His Majesty, without di5c100.0...: he thought, for the reasons he had just stated. aid- the gruands that Lord W. ought not to be rewarded Your Lordship arrived at Baths us the oath of August ;
%
114 his imepose In any one, was not a condnet which any citable. Not that he was adverse to the monists.- for 'weevil, till the result mks known to be adroit- was that the first time of your Lordship's being there .-I I ,
think it was.
si 7_l-rattle approve of. Butt then the question was. He was free to say, that, if he did not hear strooger tageoue. He anticipated a disastrous termination Did year Lordship think the bombardment of Flushing ,
de 7::h what punishment would the Howe resolve to argument* on the subject, on Monday, than he to the campaign ; noticed the petition from the aseenary t• its reducetion, or might it no hare fallen to in- ;
'at
silt it ?....esotredly, according to the Motive ;if the had this.night heard from the Right Hon. Gentle- city of London, and the thin state of the House ; vestmen._...... t F-te Will invested fur the purpose of Intuit at- i
;14 locative was intended To-condemn Sir IL Strecker', Man (the Chancellor of the Exchequer). he must be End concluded by moving, as an emend rueut, that,
ti;
~i,, did he delav to b
deliver‘it so long ? or, why compelled to perform what must ever be a painful instead of i' now," the report should be received he ombardm ent of Fluhing nessary o its redue- '
• tieS!----The place was regularly besiegedec; it was tor leerily
‘
••
mein made public at ell ? If it was intended to duty, and mark with the repreheasiou of Perlis- on Monday nenuight. • bombarvintent.
64 . tort. hid from the face of day, why meat the coaduct of the Noble Earl, which was the Mr. Secretory Wrote opposed this amendment. Your Lordship having shrewd that you bail received infer-
remain Pt
f T
should he have to it b tele, for the purpose of subject of their discussion, The Howse must not After the great majority of the Hoene and country teatime that Con the state of the works of Auteer,i,Antweip
uf di,i,... it 3 The situation iu which his Lard- miss over even am acknowledged trim., without had decided, that Lord Wellington well d reed was liable to be taken by a coap.de rain, froni • hunt did
amen - • your Lordship receive that inftwination !---It was Pi the ill-
complicated one. From au some reproof and mime-salon of the sense they
en- grant, nothing could give snore disgust end
ship vets placid was a p . . _ . But ir
.formations which has been laid apron the tattle , I received it
it
obiercation of the cousequences. he (Mr. erceval) tertamed or it. this wes of great co:istitu. dissatisfaction, than to preyed the Bill going horn the Secretary of State officially.
1;4
should
1,,v,r sreih *time that a Commander 'if tional, as well as individual importance, and it was through the common course. He kaew of no sweat Did -any comenatioe paw between your Lordship sad
i.',l
an Expedition should he a Gihinet Minister, out better even that it should be lately ' than rashly dee belonging to the state of affairs in Portugal, that l's. Secrets,, of Sale, api i 1 the subject of taking Antwerp
Bid
of the mixed character, milted ditties and feelings tided On. If they attempted to do an this night, all could, in any degree, affect the claims of the Noble by a suds ate
do not know absolutely by a cap de. $
Mrs; but I kad ermwersatems as to whether it might net I
sir.
s . Het it was sot fair to infer from that .11- the early part of their deliate would ler occupied, GenersL betakes withoet a molar liege, tie without • bombard-
Sri
Arm., when the popalet feeling was a. winch not on lite eaerits of tit qu.stion i*srlf, but on the
Mr. Caterer thaaght that no proof of the gee men.
i
int
against inn, as Conneander of the Expedition, fitness of the time, and at Li late hour they would nerd opinion had yet been given, and was against in whist way was it proposed at that time that Antarre
riic
that he war influent, by any illiberal Of malfgnent come to a decision, without having sufficiehtly in• the hurrying the Bill on so precipitately. should he taken, if not by • coup-de .14,fiti yet without --es
ire
twig'', to act the part he had taken. He world Yestigoted so vital a subject. me. D. Boowau
supported the
„ism,
motion, to butoberditietat ?..-11 there hail heti% an opening fie It from
the state of the sod the weaker,. of the garrisuoi, 1
ith
gild, too, as he had spoken adult Expedition, that, lidr. WIIITIMEAD observed. that as s new woe.. The sense of the House had been thrice tuake on probably by assault.
works,
ilit from the evidence which approves! at the bar. no tion had arisen, though he was aware he was not the subject of Lord Wellington. and it was tweet. Did Loud Castlereagh expre-s to your Lordship any en-
et
' iniesinduct could attach to the Noble Lord in the entitled to speak again, yet he treated the Wine LW, now to take them by surprise. after au under- pectation that Antwerp wou!il be taken by sweet' .-He
tie
ceodurt of it. tie had erroneously. he would allow, world indulge him for a few initiates; and use more standing to the contrary. As for the opinion of restiirtta hay.
)..e,p.ivii rale
sssuarielad. ex pet tattoo, under tn. eu cum •
led' ,determined to deliver a narrative to His Majesty 1 so, as what he had to say might be the means of the Common Council of Loudon, it had been ob- "I
. .c.
Those circumstances mean the intelligence to wh, ', root
but, though lie disapproved of that step, he did not elsortening the present debate. The Right Hon, tnined. by all the arts and ti it er
Laa
think it deserving of theme epithet* which had been timid, luau opposite had e,hea the only pa„thie by a majority of 13. lc-3 -1 - a Partys mill Lordship ha• s refcered ',Th.. ~,,,,k, 1,,.,„g en so bad a sice„,
sad the genres go weak me to admit of such a re were.
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sa copiously bestowed spots it. no 'thought it ground on which a emit could he raised. The • Sir T. Tuartm noticed, that Ministers had had Die Lonl caslesregh inform your Lordship that be asp.
iLI evident, from the nature of the thing itself, that tact was, that lie had agreed last night to postpone other means of reward. without burdening the posed the works to be se weak, and the gin ion. to he seed •
i a they slmold adjourn the considertitta till Monday his motion till Meischey, unless the enemies of
country. He was astonished that Mr. Yorke had a state, no that your Lordship would be able to take .t ny ma-
sezi next. The Hon. Gentleman had attributed to Lord the second examination of Lord Chatham' were accepted the elite of Teller of the Exchequees slid sand?--elie seemedseemedortaiely to throk that it might ►re poib
ronstitments would also she*, that they Sibleoinder the eivnerable curt- emetanees I have meld inead
,:„,, Chatham an Intenrion of spreading dissension be- printed, and distributed in time for the perusal of Pedlar his With all the imelligeire submitted in yotrr L.ireship bf
were astonished at it. He would vote for the Lord Castlereagh, did your Loritiihip ever entertain say
linen the two terriers: but there was no reason for Members this day. He bad gone to the rote lace,
.1* supposinz say midi thing. Ile lied stated that the to inquire if they bad been delivered, and learnt Amendment. expectatius that you sheuld be abk• to take As' wee pby as-
..l 1 General TS ALSTON entered at tome length into
ssrsaahs?-ststlrstsht.atthie'airrieLersl.ll:,dathirlie hrh.erere.,:adtratteb,:,•.pererit'Le.
paper was given in at a time when His blajesty's that they bad sot ; beton corning into the Howe,
-*,
in Government had determined there should be no be was tufo: tied by an Hon. Faired, that the mat- the services of Lord IVelimaton, in whom the coon- great extent slated is some of the wit..lligente, had corned
Iso inquiry ; but it was deterottued long before that ter had been settled, after he left the House last try had been di-boded. lie would be happy to out to he true, I rest...only theaKtit it ',islet tires has Isom-
-lea fiats. to toy the papers which induced the Cover*. night, and that it would certainly conic on nedly. see the army safe at home, tied nut kept ill danger time to have taken Antserp by some vigorous attack, pro-
-e if
neon to send •the Expedition.. before them ; and But what was the real state of the rotation with abroad by the prevailing influence of the Weller- bably by assault
in
which wean to corroborate the fact, that no blame respect to them minutes, when he had so construct. ley family. He censured the whole of his military Is the Committee to understand, that the only intehigoire
et et
dais could attach to either servii e. It was strongly ed his resolutions, as tint to embrace a seeittle point condoct. At Iteleie and Vimiera, his rashness was 'slim which those run VVVVV tonne .. er, e„.,,,0.4, ass the in.
telligenee sow heron . the Committee t-1 hardly know bow_
iropetail to him by the Gentlemen MI the opposite • contoiiied in them, exceptemesniallparaeroule which conspicuous. and Taber:Tie was no triumph. After
to *newer that question exactle, because the Secretors or
this he had encamped his men in the marshes of state might hare other intellnzence ; Ido nut exactly know.
ig; t site, that if he had any regard for his own the- any Gentleman could understand, front its lying oar
111,14 tarter said dignity, he would not. remain an invtent the table, iii the twinkling Mau eye. (Hear!) Under Estremailura, where they died 1000 in • month, as whether the intelligence laid neon the tattle here is all the
-'it. intim Cabinet pith lord ehat'sam,after !Vs disdain- these circumstances, be did uut expect to be at- fatally as at Itiolcheren. For what then was he inteltieenee, brit I emends it is all the istelligenoe the Se-
to be remunerated? for retreat, defeat, and cap- grata"' of St."‘' posses :of eat° consult them ;it wee, indeed. an easy task to eused of wishing to hasten on, prematurely, any
sera miner, Gentlemen had only to wait until Mitiisters decision. implicating the character of an individual. tivits. Did year Lordship ever make any disposition in cost owe
mind sr give ass infoincitimi to any ewers! officer tinder
0,1- acted, and then le stateliest numb better it would He did not expect to be accused of wishing to take Colonel Womb animadverted on these detractions
rune 'Lords!). p of the obability of aiigasionit berig owlet
tit) lime been, ir they hail arted in VIII contrary manner. the House by surprise. He should has.: thought from the merit of a gallant G moat, and swerted, aken upon 'Zitwerp Antwerp?-No disPositimi certai.ily ,as I Le-
d a lf Lord Chothern had acted in the manner, sod the Right Hole Gentleman oppoote woold have that he was universally adorel by the army and have t stated sus former night) rime made or could have
people of Portugal. He demi d the esistence of bees made ; it most lame depended eutirely on creams-
lltit with the motives attributed to him, he would have had little inclination agate to try the experinnut
1 • no lirsit moo to woe, thot sueh a person should no of eudearoarieg to prevail on tho H -use to post- casuelties to the amount stated, -is, from the army's •a!"‘"Leth led l'"wg mcanaalt!'"l the place "" 'taws'
marching from Lisbon, to a very hoe petind, Weird. was Inert he II colleague of his ; but, wider all the cir- pone their discussions front Friday to Monday.... 11:Zti yooir Lordship ever communicate to any general ca-
me entustaiti es of the ewe, if they &molded kit°. while And what was to be done oil Monday ?-The Rt. t
mg tilt. WM left at "faiovens. the whole member en muter your command the expectation formed is your
CIA an 1611417 wag iionenrting over then all, *hat Hou.Gestleatati had told them he would mere the wee 6000. If an officer had merit to entitle him to Lordship's mind awl that of Lusa Castleeagh, im the sweat
iet snuld aunt be said ? ltveuld it net be red, that premises question. He washed him joy of his estate a reward, the Ism* comreetial mint be a donation of the iotol4erot• Pn"i"lt "°°l of
thong obol to m 77 ALI- i
act they had taken advantage of the slip of a colleague, foe two days; but, lest it might be imputed to him, from has country. end not a sinecure place, the gift werp by re
esesilt !oohs the event of place beteg in a ac-
tuation 14 admit of it, I believe I at stablest times eon-
-ent in order to eet me themselves? He would not that he had attempted sti_rprse, and woultl.coneent of a Minister It was nut likely that his military versed with different officers on the probability of patios
''ins abandon a colleague under such eircionatteaces Ibe to the adjournment till Moodily, on this eXttross Services would ever deserve a reward, but, if ever into Aatwerp without having recount to a siege or abort • ',
in. thtl ant mean ts say that he would defend bum, condition and understanding, that the House mend they did. lie would not accept of a sinecure. kordnient ; a• regular plan of attack was stated, fur the I
Ite te;ht Srwroin4; not. involved ia puintentional terms immediately take up the odjuunied debate, and Sir MARX Wows stopponed the original motion. resents I have gives, ant could be.
Will your Lorshhip state to the Committee the noises of
~._ Mr. Wnernagen said, the queslion was, whether
be would not *levet bine He had now *tutted the that aothieg of any sort of interference of otherany general officers Oath whim you converosd ea tle• subject
t.') ;orchids ulna which he thought they should pent. matters, SO far as depended nu the Right Hon. laned ll'elliugtota was worthy of a pension P He of taking Antwerp by assault i.-1 should ther.k I must have
rte theug:"; not. Ate Hon. Secretary (Mr. Ryder,) mentioned it to all the general officers,
_or to all probably
vi this great question tall Mooday next ; either Gentleman, should take pletli
OA with whom I had coeversation on the subject.
upon this bight, or mom Monday, it was his inten- Gamed GROSVENOR throned the Hon. Gentle. said, nothing could excite greater disgust than re.
; but he would tell bias. that con- Does your Lordship rei:o'leet ever bating mentioned the
tai' fusing this gnoit
tremolo to miter, that it should not be put at all. man for bringiug forward this ,ii,cussion. He was
fen•ing the Tellership of the Excheqner on Mr. sou, subject
that to I Sir John Hope :-I rather think not ; fur this tea-
He had He hal an objection to moving it that night. ter, persuaded, in so far as he Was eliabled to view thead au considerable intercourse with Sir John
thali4li he was prts0111111)" iseepared to take this ease, that the more the conduct of Ins Noble Friend Yorke creete.l as much -.(ifts,. ! hear!) The Hope, till I was la South Beveland ; I saw him once at
t, tic Honeureble Col. (Wood,) had said, he would not Deal ;at the time I saw Sir John Hope is South Bevelasds
ter*, he dad not think that the Members. in ge- (Lord Chatham) was canyamel, the more the House
r 11, certainly I brew it meld sot he then taken by asaault.
anal, were sufficiently arc sainted with the evi- would be satisfied with that conduct. take a sineenr,. He would probably have the
lin, offer before hiin if they came to serve, for he was • Did VOST LOftithip ewer Colo.lllllliCait with Sir. Byra•Coo.tA
arid dtperi to pronounce a deckled opinion either way. General Loewe. alluding to the undersea:Ai:l
.. . , epos the subject .!-I have hid many conversation with Sir
He mend. therefore, propose, that it should be come to by Mr. Whitbread last night, etuseeis regular Militia Colonel, while he (Mr. Whitbread) Eyre Comte.
mod &drowned to Monday Peet. that the House had his pledge not to bring on this was only one of the Local Militia.-(A laugh ! j Upon that anbjecl t-I think on every aubjeet counected
nu el eolonelYorke, perhaps, would not be so faetidions, wide the enterprise, I hme coolers:A With him ; there was
Mr. tiaaND disapproved 'of the manner in which subject to.itight, aud be was surprised. on coming
'lieu 0 laugh 1.1 But, at eny Tate, he would *chime theta la regular 'hitewilion or plea eonnoweirated
iFeChaticellm• of the Exchequer attempted en taro down to the House, to find the case otherwise.
la Dr.e. your Luedabip recollect having any particular coo-
ns, dris.te. The question before them ass a great The CYNIC it L Loe of the Fauns QV ea acceded to fight for their laurels before they wore them.
venation marked SO SS In call it to your mind with Sir lyre
cal a rsaritutional question, end the evidence quoted to the proposition of Mr. Whitbread, and the de- The quemion was then put. the amendment ne- Coots, on the taking of Antwerp by auloa, and the probe- .
''°i I'+ and the original motion agreed to without Inlay of snorer. in that enterprise !.--1 do not recollect say
I. Ilmi. Friced, nothing but a confirmation of bate was adjourned till Monday, when it will take galtreds
.li'd tie charge. He would take the liberty to make a precedence of all other business. a division. The report was then received, and the pointed or particular conversation ; I Mamie that be always
bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday. considered that our ulterior operations must be retaliated
t..,0 lea rd'ervsitiolli neoli the mauner in which the Mr Crecy 'semotion, which stood for Mender wholly by circumstances she, we lauded at S,otsliet.
killlit Ilan. Gesitletnan (Mr. Perceval,) had .
postponed
con- was till Thuniday. Previous to saitiag, or at any other time, did roue Lord.
ri!
edletrd the defenve of a Calaitiet Minister. The T( c of ghe Eieunvia noticed, was ordered of all lottery healers issued for the
The HAUGULLOS ship ever ask the optimism of Sir Eyre Coate, as to the reacts.
rnie e
'"ltieut as proposed. w-11 • *rent eonatitu- that secounte of the expease of elm Portuguese yea" 1509-its, and the tickets sold by die Perm". taboos, or taken% Antwei pby assault, or the probability of
19 ll so licensed.-Adjonened till Monday. success in that euterprize:l file, nut ask say formal opini.
Is ; "nal question;
but the Right f/ouourable Gen- army taken into British pay, and of the numbers - --- on on the subject of Sir Eyre Coon , but I vim-creed with
Heenan had eurleavoured to convert it into • of that army, which were necessary to the discue-
I ac
EXPEDITION TO THE SCHELDT. born on different modes of operation we might pursues.
eaten, illiberal, pentane! attack ; and said, that it aims of that question, could not be laid before the Was the opinion of Sir Eyre Coute ever asked by your
r...1t 'soul) la-cause Lord Chathsen differed from them H use tall Monday. He therefore proposed to HOUSIL Of COMMONS. Lordship, or given by Sir Eyre Canute numbed, as to the
.1,1119.41,131,1. that their censure was so loud against posotpone the debate, on this snbject, which stood practicability of taking Acitwerp by anima, or tke piobain-
,, l-- TWELFTI Day-Tia. 57. lily of success in thet ent..rpriee .-I think awes nut , I 1.1..11.
,Pria,
deaFormthisaiendowo part.
ihhe sh,orld saly. that for to-day. till Friday next. This was agreed to. eeive that' he cousidered say operation to domed wholly
ted ? was an ii cm with him. and cots- Mr. PirMSONDY proposed, that if the Scheldt In. MINUTES of EVI HENCE tette. before the COMMITTEE ws eiremeoser.s we fousid ruses we leaded
ducted himself in such •a manner as Lord Chatham
iii.us quiry could not poesilily lie gone into on Monday, of the WHOLE HOUSE, appointed to mosider of the lathe Comniatce to onderstaod that uu opinion was salted
hid door, lie would despise him MI a politician, and eat account of the other important discussion whieli Polley and conduct of the late EXPEDITION to the of or was green by Sir Eyre Coate on that puha, te-Nos tow
Coteetin hie as a man. Ifis Hon, Friend, 60 far would eta spy the House, it Light stand for Turs- TherlctigL"' at opinion.
~• ~Right Hue. Si,Si JOHN ANSTRUTHEE, Beet. ia the Was any opinion at all '-No positive opinion ; there out
re"' hd,i,i); used the language attributed to him dati,-agreea Its Chair. so formal or dislititt opinion gter• by San tyre Coier.
Ihidaininatory declamation), hail condacted himself Mr. C•tceetre understanding. from the return Wm say opinion at all, formal ur inforing, given to your
ot s
eto "a'allhollts with the utmost moderation. and with hint before the House, that the Board of Ordnance The Right Row the FArl of Cie A? •Au called is. Lordship by Sir Eyre Coote, on that subject !-I do unit
111 that shilsty which, lie was accustomed to display. had token no security froiu Mr. Hunt. gave notice ken. that there war soy spawns at all amen; because I
II: . it sat ofi, in a letter remt"'LriMediediCattetreagh ( C"Pub
to our Lordship, datrd know that he considered oar operations mast be regulated by
•,y .ii • matter of lemetitstion with the great- that Ire would call the attention of the House to this the ed Santemlier, moo, to be footed Walloper (A.) is Pio. 6. circumstances when wi arrived.
" ,ern, that secret influence existed; on influence
wiliat w • .3:1 Thursday, Lith blare!). year Lordship r remieded of positive instruction relative to Was say opinion opoo this talijei t asked by your Leta-
with- a! justly represented as dangerous to the PLACES IN REVERSION. obstructing the navigation of the Scheldt ; the cords are Alp of Lord kuolye l-No oriole., was asked •.t. tau .1
1.11444119 and to the leappiiress of the country. Mr. Helixes brought op the Report of the Con- these-et' I ant to experso to your Lordship His Majesty's Rendre that I kiwis of. miner Ibis subject ; I ilei net under-
i do*, Ilk, I euefident permission, that, previous to your refers, and is Mend from lam that he knew any thdig ul Antwerp.
it,' , •", Tinted Mr. Burks- who taaced the his- 'tenet appotuted to examine the Jeuroals of the
conformity to your instrnMems, 'one Lordship will coupe- Did yew Lordship communicate wills any other General
01...1, "I! or the evil. and ex ed its consequences to Lords on the oubject of the Reversion Dill. which
rate with the Navy is rising rtri.ct tt• any treasures Sir Owe Officer la your army, on thee subject of 'he port... omit, of
ste.', Vl' !idiots in general.) If the b ardent- of of the waa laid on the table. Ile then gave mirky, that he and Strarhas may think at to adopt, for obstractioe the ma- taking Antwerp by mesult '..--I think I had coon radon*
111.,, p,.5„,
tt' l 1.,4 to protionice so ossi $$ ion upoii Lord woe Id. oil Tuesday next, move fur an Mares* to His errant° 011ie Scheldt;- shat steps did your Lordship tat,* with some of the General Officers, but no p.irlkular copier-
.lo,ot • ' .
, 15 • "tlateltiy. lie wolld be as anxious as 3licjesty, praying that no more places to reversion to give efrtet to that owtroetwo -II bad 81 set is my poser senor that I eau relate. "Pon this attlijert•
ria „ , .-to give any. Can year Lordship name uny other (ten nil Officer beedre
N‘..,- ~ . tor the delay now re vsmateuded ; but as 'right be grouted.
1...14' riactitti.ti;iiial onestim. was completelY leParate How ...I the army employed from the taking a Fleshing Sir Evre Coon l-I confine as I sail 16 1.. e,, that that
' Chu tub act of the exportation of foreign linen ei, the
ine or tette of August, till their retreat Wad resAved question must have antra in corn •rsstion •a b all the GOSS.
,i 1 I ' 4.6iti.."" "133 that, he frothed that it whould he era* discussed its n Cuttituittee, sad their report or- ou ,-The morn was not employed at all dui tug that peeled ; rat I /111ePtis ,we talked general!, of the fermis ~four further
1' • ~ 1 I.oii 111,1U.A11147. In this case, the fasearite tiered to be received on Monday. it mead sot be employed Moles that period. operations; het sou did met eitemou was asked, because I and
'he (..itr•. was iodinated to the ear of the Save- Ttle Mutiny Bull "us read a second timer gad Before or at the tune of the minim of the Expedition, was out eusteeive they model cite one
,ii• -
i'll"l''''tt I 'le he h lii .1
I'l •ed be committed !ti lt your Lordship sustroseted to believe Antwerp to be pregnable Don your Linderiip re Oleo any marked reanimation on
~f 1., 10 111.1 lit had o..IIIICS.• ..ie system Order to . on --011_ily. by a cesp4ornein !--I had hitelligenes e.iainiii.,csled iu eur, that subject with Lord Paget'-1 h... 1 a sou-I deal of toners-
,, 'll tit'ill Cal* deers ed in Na operations ; a id, COASTING WARFARE. . ht M the fnetairatious of Asilsicrp wow is 166 tied • stale, that sidlinl are di deicer times wok 1.ii,,1 Pietet ;I do sot recollect
'•• ..is • t
1,,-. . tl.. ila eli"ted, !Mitt .1111.0ately tend to snake Lon' Cot IMAM\ said, he had given notice, at the pet haps it might be open to • coin.* rase. any onorkni coalmine's..., that is, any freamd or distinct
. ',70. et °metal nreopouniiiie, the service perplexed, eta! of last session, of his iiitention, early in the pre- If success had attended the attack ea lime arsenals of Ant- opine°, peen by bra main that subj. et I
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French newt, was tour Luetkl, op IDStruel.d to With l?rsora al itan.wom tine t--4 have Lai! conversations Wino
'4 t coutery Insecure. sent, to call their ;deletion to the subject of co- °eel, sod the
• look to say talltrire Dhoti ?-1 had no other instructions (enteral Grosse-woe on the antajtel generaily.
, .. ' e I'.
P.4114Va.41. c'Huldiaiented Mr. Whitbread operating with th- Spaniards, by employing a nett- than are before the Cassaasithe With Groors: tterwanea -1 hod.
I ' . • 'l' ''
t"• p ,r eed moderation displaced lay him ill very force afloat on their coasts, in the Mediterta.. Ilsting the interest bets ern. your Lordship's niters I; oars Ursine tint leo 'armlike point?-dye that ; i•e.
. 1,,,^ ''• .iward this tampon ;y.t, if the questinii nem. Thus, he was COll6 need. would be the best Waleheren and your resign: 1111 l of the i unloosed, bad your Mao your I.....'ship recollect the eoneers.o,,,, .1,,,, passed
Lordship frequent retorts of the number of the sick r.--. 1 heterno your Lordship sad General Oiuslurigi so that par.
.. C". not inlay of great coustitutlsetal import- . amain of assisting the Spanish people, and mune ins • A
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