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Calera') hiinfelf had sisrlea. that if the qnsation had %en
discussed, the clause would not have been adopted. and It was
wily for not discimusisig it, that Le (Mr. Cairreft) had blamed
those who *ere et the sneetint.
fir E KNATCH BULL was umlerstood to asseverate, that
the persons he had anode.) to 'sushi not disco.; the quo.
tints; Cad one Noble Lord in particular was celled or, Ly
name to deliver his sentiments, but he s efuacd.
Mr. HONYVVOOD said, the Noble Lord Minded to by
his Hun. Colleague, he knew to be opposed to the proposition
from s conversation he had with him on the sulijset, mud he
had 'pleaded to addriss the tueetiag, but from the hest and
length !arbor hr had been pest op he a crowded waggon, he
alra• obliged to forego that nitentioll.
Mr. BROUGHAM repeated that the persons in question
not only Itniertaiteed opiunins against the propuritien, and
expressed those °pitiless in private conversation, but they
uted agXinst them publicly in the m lour usual on such
iv-casinos—by holding up their hands ; and our Noble Lord
did make a speech expressly autism the mutton, and was nut
sparing in the acerbity of big oh ions on the quitter
from which it proceeded.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY put it to the judg.
meat of the House whether be had uttered a single rapes-
mien against county meetings. All he lint said was, that if
such meetings did amigo to a reformed Psrliament the duty
of spoliation of the public creditor, as had bees dune to this
inalanee, though he did not think litany county meetings
would su far diogrece thernselvea, it would b. the enure ne-
cessary that Parliament should be so constituted as to be
able to exercise a sound judgment of its own as to any
mural or unjust proposal that might be suholitted to it,
and that the representatives of the people should he able to
diacrimina.e for themeelves the wisdom and expediency of
the opinions rupee saed In this Petitious emanating from such
meetings—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. BROUGHAM said that not one tittle of the obnoxi.
011 s passage in the Petition wawa jet abre censurable, or in.
deed half so blameable, either in point of expediency or of
justice, as the policy which the Noble Lord and his col-
league in the edministation had pursued fur so many years
of deptecisting the carreney.—(Grest cheering from both
sides.)
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Lord CLIFTON said it might appear strange that he
rhould come fore and in imam sort to criminate himself, but
lie must say that he did think there was a great want of spirit
on the part of the Whig leaders at the meeting in not resist-
ing the proposition. A Noble Friend of his hail made s speech
against it ; and after that he (Lord Cllflun) did out feel
himself called upon to a.iy any thing on the subject, as
it could rot be supposed that any oh tMos of leis would
have give. additional weight to the argum.uts of that
speech. He could not conceive how Mr CoLbett could bare
got so complete possession of the meeting. He Moped it
would be a warning to gentlemen how they refrained front
resisting such attempts iu future, and alloyed pet itioaa peei.
pining such a remedy fur the public distresses to be scut up
a. the petitions of meetings at which they attended.
Mr. PEEL said he most say that he thought the manly
and becoming confession of the Noble Lord much more
tended to set the couuty of Kent right with the people of
England that the &tepee of the Hun. end Learned Gentle.
man.—(Cheeit.)—The surprise expressed by the Noble Lord,
as to the cause of Mr. C.bbest's influence over the meeting,
had been answered by the Noble Lord himself. He bed
assigned the cause iu the comenencenseot of Lis speech. It
was because he bad not been manfully opposed What was
the 'glance brought acainst the msesiug—that it petitioned
for Parliamentary fti form ? No; hilt that a adopted a pro-
posal reeornamadiag a direct breach of public faith. VI bat
was the charge urged osmium the Noble Lords and Gentle.
men of rook who atleoded the meeting? That they did
not explair to the freeholders the nature of the proposition.
The Honourable and Learned Gentleman himself said, that
if it had been fully discussed, the meeting would have re-
jected it ; he therefore justified the blame which had beets
east on the meeting. The only attack on public meetings was
made by the adoption of such propositions. With regard to
tlee proposition in the Petition for reducing the interest of
the debt, though crude and isdigrsted, it was manly and
direct, and on ihat arrouat tofinittly prefixable to the cir•
cuitous proposiitions, and dark •nd distant hints that were
much made use of in other quarters.—(Cheers )
Mr. H. G. BENNETT Raul, be was not at all surprised
that the ciliation of Parliament and Government sisoubl have
corrupted the honest fettles,* of the people, and led 'hem to
look to other sutures for relit f tbau those which they World
otherwise have sought. He roasidvred the adoption of this
proposition, lbouever, as a burst of feel* from persons ea.
sembled to discuss the grievaneie which they sorely fell,
and seeking for relief 'melee circumstances that had Hever
before occurred to them, sod out as the deliberate act of
the meeting.

Mr. WESTERN rat il his surprise st the consummate
impudence, for he could call it by no other name. with which
the lion. Gentleman opposite, and his Hon. Friend (Mr.
Caterers) bilis, him, iltionniicid the Freeholder' of the
County of Keut fur dishonesty in making niche proioosal,
after the Parliametit bad for the last twessiplive years
sanctioued the Goveinment ht defrauding Ilitt ertditter 'at
one period, and the debtor at assotber.—(Cbeers.),...He
was astuaisherl to bear Gentlemen talk on this subject as
if faith was to hr kept with the public re, ditos usly, and
out wills the debtor also,—(hear, hear, hear)—as if Mae only
"emus to be considered w. re ilioae situ rec.-lard the taxes,
mid those who paid them were to be 1•• ft Pout ly out of con.
sideration. It was the influence of the grntle•nau who
attended the meeting (be meant Mr. Colihrtt) lira had ex.
trotted that opinion from it, w•hh•h was expre.sed in the
Petition. But it was their own feeling of the distress and
ruin that surrounded them, shseh convinced them that the
moment of overwhelming necessity was already Nrrivsoll.—.
(Cheers.)—For be would pot it to the Noble Lord
whether any men io the condition of Ihosr persons, seeing
perhaps the moment arrived when the whole fruits of their
industry acid labour were to be taken from them, could
imagine any thing else but that that was the moniciii of
overwhelming necessity.—(Clieers.)
, Mr. HUME thought the Noble Lord bad endeavoured
to fix no undue aha•e of the &Mutilate of the House upon
the donee is question, in order is ward edT its aisentina
(runs she more important part of the Petition. The °bier.
linnable clause prayed that she Honor would be pleased to
make • justly reduction of 'lie interest Or the debt—(Hear,
hear)—aa soon as they had reformid ilormselvre. Had ant
the Chancellor of the Excliettoer already to use Wanner re.
dared the interest from sin door cent ? Aid did he sit
anticipate still Nob*, erdarlinu ? But the Petition also
slated, that " they had seen every *bows defrotted. and
every proposal fur retsearbuient rijected, or so ',toddled as
to be rendered ougalory." And w■s not that time? Had
they nit contented themselves with rirdarlag petty clerks with
small salaries, while they retained all the high paid ollieers,
who might be even more advaidagrously thapenard with ?
Hod they meddled with any of lb. larger establialimsnta?
Had th►y redneed the motif of the array ? Had then mil left
most' other soperdeitiei entombed? He hail no liestation
Ir saying that it was sloth voles as those "(the Honourable
Barnett OW E. Knatelibull), said other., who wwted as he
did, that had betrayed the freeholders of Kent into the ex-
position of what be now desoluoted es o dishonest opinion.
Sir FRANCIS BLitt VETT said, he did Hot think the men
of treat bad bees treated with justice, uur the llonirmalile
Meagher who broaghsl forward site Petitios,. lie thought
the Honourable Harnett (bir &tweed Kiiiitchbull) was ten
to moo more Inwood to perform the snarly duty of oppositig
the rider added to the retitle* than the other Hon. Measlier.
whose sentiments accorded with the general geniis/tents of
the nteetiog. The seen of Kent had out amid they would 110 i
pay 20a. in the putted to the public creditor, but there might
be persona there who thought they ought to pay 308. is the
paused. That he thought was a point sin which lacrimal
might estertain Jiff opinions without bring called lard
aseste. Let the Finauce Minister make out that the pro.
position was dishonest, sod be would answer for it Ilse.
great ('sulk of the people would gree to ii. He was
happy to ...ppm' the Petition, and he would sny that no
one had a right to brand any person el:insetted with the Po.
titian wills dimbusiessi

Mr. MON t Kenai I. wool./ mill Ortil to the Noble Marini.,
nor to airy oilier man, on regard to pubic faith end national
honour; no i'ar was he from wishiug to deprive any man of
Isis rights, 'bat he coni.•nded the old public creditor, who
trot his mosey before I'M, had had great injustice done
him; but there sas a great difference beteeen him soil the
pew public crc litur, wino had adrauced lass moue, in a
prectatt.4 paper sot coureitible tutu gold—a cut ulativa

which he could eornatre to nothing but the assignals issued
by the French Convention.
Mr. WILSON protested against the comparing of the
Bank notes to 'miens'..
Mr. G. R. PHILLI Pit said, that great as the sufferings
of the people now were, they irould be incalculably in.
creased by a mare loan) thing like a system uf depreciation.
Mr. LOCKHART dad not think the vote of Ike
House as in the value of the Hank note in 1811, ought lu
argument to be tir=ed on the ground it usually was. The
House voted the Bank notes equal to gold to support the
public credit of the country, a, Oliver Cromwell, adieu be
had ea provisions in his ramp, ordered a general fast.
Mr J. MARTIN would not oppose the Pentacle being re-
rehke‘l, as he believed it came from persons who were quo.
rani df the nature of the proposinon it committed.
•On the qne,tinir for the Petition being printert—.-
Mr. BROUGHAM agreed walla what had fallen from the
Hun. Member far Reading,.. to the similarity of the Bank
note and the assignat. Step by sten the same measures were
taken by our Government r* Ilse French Goverumetit took ;
they did sot advance quite .o in-, Lot on the other h sad
the Freneb C Imo never ainerted the gross absurdity
that we did Is 1811 Though that Cuntent was swayed
by mobs and clam .tir, they never had the absurdity sad die.
honesty (If it were dohoto a%) to say that the assienst was
equal to the lutns.cror of Fra..ee. When the Right Hon.
Gratlenzau said he would pleler the honesty of su open at.
tack dram any circuitous nod ausidlour asssult on the public
faith, that description applied to no one on his (Mr. 111.'0
side of the House, bum it or ir dto those who first debased
the currency, among, who•o the Right Hon. Cattleman
was sitting. 11 was en sit of irsud and rapine, inindisrus
mid base, tr•echprous as well as viulent,aud they only ought
tip seep the fruits of it.

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Mr. PEEL admitted that he had meant to refer to the
Hon. and Leased Gentleman, and to the Hun. Member fu►
Shrewsbs►y. He had said he preferred an open attack to
any insidiesm talk of accesoity, berm's* he believed thatat.eb
language tended to create lust ISITPONIii, and because he
I hou.ght tint, I. public as in private atf.ire, it ems improper
to state eases in chick rnbberry might be jostifiable.
Mr. H. G. BENNETT said, be still held that if bad
borrowed tls. It was a fraud for any one to call spina him to
pay 30s. He did chore hi. Majesty's Government with
bowing cheated both pubic and private el...damns, but he had
never let out of his bpi she iliohoueot sentiment of not pay-
tog the pkblic creditor; hut to enable no to do that the Mi-
flamers soot to remit taxes, and above all to 'emit that
measure of apoliation, the sinking food.
The Martinis of LONDONDERRY had no intention to
protract the discussion, 1111 r to imitate the peculiar tone and
temper of the H.... Gentleman who bad jaat sat down. If
the Hou. Measlier meant to heroine the avowed patron of re-
volutionary proere•hnga. be must get better pretexts than
any be had pat forth that nicht, for nothing was more cle.irly
understood than that the capital advanced was to be paid iu
we. lies nioary at the end of the war.

Mr.HICARIxI armed in opinion with the Hon. Baronet
(Sir Francis Burdett), and was desirum of receiving the
Petition.
• Mr. HUME said it was rather too much fur Ilse Noble
Marquis to complain of harsh language, adieu he pewit'.
ally made use of narsber laugusSe than any Membrr uu that
side of the House.

After a few words from the Marquis or Londonderry, Mr.
H. G. Bennett, and Mr. Calcraft, the Petition was ordered to
be printed.
Air J. NEWPORT gave notice that when the Irish Min.
eellancuu• E.timate came before the House he whoutd more
that the sum to be toted for Mayeeeth College should be
13,0001.

OW at .11.-..(Hear, bear, bear.)—The cry of innovation
must, he thought, be at an end. He did nut Rod that is the
time of Edward 111. or &unix the infasicy Henry V., any
trace of these vulgar prejudices which were said to prevail on
theput of the people of England against foreigners, and
which was now used as an argument in the Wow of Com-
mons in favutir of the preseat measure. Ile took the grounds
of this non 16 be, that, without it passed, conspiracies
against furriest Governments would or might be entered
into in this com.iry. But so such statement ap-
peared in the preamble of the Bill. Now he wish.
ed to ask whether the prevention of conspiracies were,
under the lOW of nations, a duty who h was ueri•g to •
friendly Government? If it were our duty to prey.ut, it was
also our duty to detect sod discover them. To do that it
would be necessary to liege a body of apics for every coon-
try-s4oe Austria, Freesia, Rowe, Spain, and above all. fur
Turkey, whirls at present wee most enslaugered by conspi-
rators. If it were our duty to attain the end, it was our
ditty to employ the means. The Hononeable Member pro-
ceeded to argue at great length the evils that solid
arise from admitting the principle; bet it might be said,
though not a positive duty, it was a duty of good neigh-
bourhood. A Noble Earl, at the head of his Majesty's
Governmewt in soother place, said that there were 1114) eau-
tending principles in Europe at present, the one he cal!ed
the Revolutionary, stud the toiler the Monarchical principle;
snit he stated that it was the duly of this cusatry to p
a pear' t neutrality between thins; bet if it were not a dirty to
prevent and detect eouspiracirs easiest a tortilla Gwent.
mane, then it was a voluntary departure from that
seestrality which was said to lie oar ditty. It was pa.-
j gist,
being is favour of all Goverameals, boaerer de-
spotir— tod against all Insurgesita, however oppressed. It
was • law aimed entirely et the defeated and the miserable,
against those who fled from waists mad scaffolds, mad upon
them they were to be thrown bark by this ementry,aurieatly,
buww• fur its koepitality.--(Heat, hear.)—lf the Bill pulsed
we rhosild be assailed with eosin...at demigods by Foreign
Governasesits, and should no luoger have the simple answer
II make, "It is sot it oar pusses " We could so larger
say that aliens were equally wider the protection of one
lass, and that we had mot the glorious power existing
with star fries& in Turkey, amid with our late ewe.
mice in Algiers, of banishing whom we would. The
Hon. Member examined the merits of those Goveransents
for whom we were called Upoll to make this inroad ou
our ancient policy, and argued, on the authority of the cir-
cular letter rf the Marquis of Londonderry to the Fortieth
Ministers. on the occasiuts of Austria invading Naples (which
he ral'ed the lint Catholic epistle of the Noble Lord), that
if these Governmei.ts did not treat &vetoed In the saute moo.
nee as they did Altar Slates, it was want of power only that
mole the dtffereace. He inalauctid the domitiation iced
by Austria over Switzerland, in regard to political fugitives
who had taken refuge there, and then stated, in Keitersl terms,
some imilituces of ijranisy exercised on individuate. lie
would not particularize, as he ;sighed Out to expose
either the unfortunate persuile themselves, or his informant-,
to the operation ot that oyster's of esponinge that
pelvaded alt Europe. He begged p 'eths of the Honer f r
having employed • foreign word, but on this ore isiou he
could not avussi ii, and he rejoiced that the language of free-
men had no wood to describe that abominable spits-i•.
The Hon. Member shortly recapitulated, and concluded by
moving, That the Bill be read a second time that day Cx
011.1111hs.

Mr. PLUNKETT said there never ells an occasion r.a
which the powers of h's Hon. sod Learned Friend pressed iiiio
his aremosests topics which in others would be condemned
us irrelevant than the applause with which his speech had
been heard by both sides of the House. He did not propose,
even if he hail the ability, to follow him throughlbe widely, a.
tended range which he had chose° to take. The qoe•tiout wa..,
whether the Alias Bit which posed in 1820, should be renew• •I
fur two years lunge.? He felt a cotwiderable degree of ul,lii.
witty to executigis the task imposed open him--(Hear. hear,)
—more particularly as the tone assumed made it Necessary
fur every person who ventured to •ustaio the measereon enter
spins his owe defence—(loud chrer.l—under eireornstauera
of discourtesy which did not often take place; but, backed by
the opinion of the people sad Parliament of England, much
of his apprehension was removed. The Bill did not touch
any of the rights and privileges which Aliens ever enjoyed
whilst in this kingdom, on the contrary, they were under the
full protectios of every one of them.—(Herr, bear.)—lt was
not denied that such a power existed somewhere in every
Star, however free or however derpolic. It win nut an "ti•
notation in this country—it wen an expedient to meet the
exigency of the moment. It was a practice founded on the.
ancient principle, of the law of the land, and only regulatid
and adapted to the particular circumstances of the riot,.
With respect to the exercise of such a power it could net
be safely lodged any where hot in the Executive ; nor
could it be exercised otherwise. There was no lawyer
who, consulting the principles of the Constitution, and the
enslaves of legal iustilotionr, would deny that this pow, r
was inherent in the Crown. 'The sllegiance of a foreigaer
was sot limited like that of a native, for he might witlidiew
it whenever he pleased. If the allegiance were limited, the
protection afforded to the alien must in like manner be Ii
muted ; and the Sovereign must have a right to remote
bin whenever his residence may become dengrreu..—
The analogies of a similar power in the Crown wets:
numerous. The power of issuing soils to present • saner
from leaving the country; of ordering him to return after 1,..
may have left ; of proclaiming pence or war ; mid of order i stg
alien corium, to leave the country. Authorities were de-
manded for the exercise of this power; and nu lesa that, flee
itistances bad been gives from the reign of Queen Elizabeth.
But modern cases were called for. That was nut a fair way
of dealing wills Ike question. When it d the purpose,
the opponents of the measure look shelter in antiquity; but
when that was metes' them, they called fur modern autho-
rities. It was asked whether any decisions in support of such
• prerogative in the Crown had been given in Westminster
Hall. But he would ask, whether any such drelli (((( had
takes place io respect of the prerogative in the case of alien
enemies ? Aod yet that prerogative was never 'questioneut,
although it had long lain uoexercieed. Now what founds.
tins was there in argument for denying the existebce of the
power with regard to alien friends, which was • admitted
with regard to allies enemies, merely from the absence
of modern decisios in its favour, or from the lone
disc ontniustace of its Me ? The Right Honourable and
Learued Gentleman then proceeded to notice the ,),F,....Ht
sorts of danger which this country had had to appieln-nil
from abroad, in the times sitharquent to the reign or Elisa-
beth down to the year 1703, which be resolved into foreign
arms and dioeffected subjects residing abroad: the former
were to be met with •rms, the latter by the laws, and 'wither
required the exercise of this power. Rut its 1793 • new &ti-
ger arose in the influence of those anarchical principles which
the demon that had usurped the poswasio• of the throne, awl
the minds of the people of France, who had burst from their
chews berme they wire fit for freedom, had engentleied;
owl which it had become a part of their sworn policy to don-
ermiriate throughout Europe. To protect the country
from that danger, the revival of this dormant power °Cabe
Crown was necessary; and he appealed to those who had
survived the dangers of that period to say whether the
preservation of the cOontry was not noun Ils the
measures that were then adopted, of which this was a
main feature. Hr did nut meat, to assert that the dangers
of that period existed et present; he believed that the fan-
tastic figures which the French of that period bad trick, d
out in the robes and drapery of ft eedom, had long since Seen
pat down. If they existed at all at present, it was only is
the olisteerity of the darkest places. Hot among the utinstarr
of aliens whom the cum se of events drove to *tuck a r. foge
upon our shores, were 111311 mischievous nod dean ;cling Cho-
oo ett rs, who only sunght for a pace where they might in secu-
rity prosecute their plots and isitrigoes against (matzo states i
sad it wan incumbent on the Gavel-omega of this cousin', to
;newest such proceedings which might endanger our foreign
relations ; distil no less so to protect our owe populetion
from the rontaminstine influence of the principle and in-
trigues of such persons. The provisions of the Act did nut
go to present the arrival of foreigners in this (-wintry ;
but wily to require their compliance with certain formalities,
after which they were at liberty to go to any part of sir king-
dom, subject to removal by order of the Privy Couticily if
they were discovered to be dangerous persons; and the re-
gelation, fur the exercise of that poem' were the only urea
under w birth it could be safely and efficiently exereivil. It
was the only way of patting down the intrigue, and ClDUipl-
racks aforeiguer• id this cultutry agaiust foretgo totem-

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