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stated at die commencement nt tt .41 a- ••ure the purposes to )i. -
the grant was to be voted, it was cot.° .y the intention at lit: ..
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jetty's Ministers that the sum should tic for the bons fide ed,.cst:,,l
et the young Prises is this country, atid tint ill alltuant shoe's
also be exclusively expended on his education ; and notwithstandaie
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) had
been extremely facetious in hie allusions to the unnOrity ma
the life of the young Prince, he (the Cliatici:Jar of the Kai:fleece: t
professed himself quite willing to confine the grant .to she minuets
of the young Prince. and it was by no means his intention to coM
fer an annuity upon the Duke of Cumberland. He entertained eo
objection whatsoever to the introduction of words tato the Bill ex•
punitive oft fiat purpose. but he found it impossible to agree with
the clause proposed by the lion. and Learned Gentleman, ant
which went to vest the control and disbuisenientof the grant and
in the bands of his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland, not
to place it in those of his Majesty. Intended u the grant was to
go to the maintenance and education of the young Prince, he
thought it but fair that it should pass through the bards oldie
father, for if it were to be disbursed only by the Kind, as proposal
by the lion. 31enther's amendment, thew aleellidieWskil of ('eta.
betland have no control over the edocathas of big won eon. If lie
were asked to choose between the Learned Grinlesnan's amendment
and the entire relinquishment of the proposed grant, he could have
no hesitation in preterring the latter, because the adoption of the
restriction would be tantamount to saying to the Duke of t'unther•
land we will not trust you with the education of your own son. The
lion. Gentleman, and all who thought with him. sod voted for his
proposition, conveyed a direct imputation upon his Royal Highness,
which those who were disposed to support the grant could never
consent to. With regard to the other part of the lion. AI/tubes
motion, the substitution of three thousand for six thousand pounds,
as originally intended, he did not feel more disposed to entertain it.
lie granted it was exceedingly difficult to render it clearly demon-
strable that six thousand pounds was the cum absolutely necessary
for the purpose. (Hear, tram 31r. lkougbam.) But it was equally
difficult to fix on any specific sum and prove it to be the exact
amount which was required. (Hear, from tile Treasury benches.)
In giving way to some of the propositions made 1.1 he had done, he
thought there would appear reason for increasing rather than de.
iiiinishing the grant it any alteration were desirable; for as the
young Prince was to be educated in this country, surely the House
would not say that it was not necessary and desirable that he should
be occasionally permitted to visit his Royal Father while the latter
retitled in a foreign country, and the expense of those visits would
rather call for more enlarged than limited allowance. He felt no
fiction towards confining the grant to the minority of the yoong
re ; but lie could nat consent to diminish its amount. anti stilt
to deprive his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland of his
it and proper share in the education of his only son.
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Mr. H. 51.:31N ER disclaimed all wish to cast imputations on
die character or conduct, public or private, of his Royal Highness
0. Duke of Cumberland. If any aunt was to be voted. that last
tZi7ed by the Hon. and Learned Member for Winchilsea (31%
thain) should have his approbation.
Mr. BROUGHAM—It had been determined, upon the suthe.
rity of the Judges (with, he believed, the exception or two dieser..
dent voices among that learned body), that 'the control of the So.
tereign was paramount and supreme over the younger brandies of
the Royal Family, during the continuance of their minority. U.
dor those circumstances, his proposed alteration would not go to
alter the control or amthority of the king, as it at present muted,
bat only to give his 31,iiesty the means of paying for the education
Mid maintenance of his Royal Nephew. As the law stood, the
Ling possessed the power of regulating and determining the r,s.
*nee of the young Prince While a minor. This was /aid down
under the decision of the Judges, in the case of George the Stead
sodthe children of the Prince of Mars; and the control of the
young Princes had been declared to reside not in the father but in
their grandfather, the reigning Sovereign. lie repeated, this had
been done in the case of his late Majesty, by his grandfather,
George 11. It was the law of the land, as interpreted by the ma_
jetty of the Judges, and referring to the management of the Royal
family, and it had since been acted on, once and again. The bee
King had interfered in the regulation of the education of the Princess
Charlotte ; and his present Majesty had in like manner interfered,
and taken her oat of the binds of her mother. Ile repeated, such
was the law of the land as it related to the control of the Soysteism
over the younger branches of the Royal Family ; and the present
Bill, by giving money to the King for the education of the young
Prince, did not interfere with the right which 'treaty existed in his
Majesty. or say anything about the privilege which the law already
conferred. He prayed the House to consider the subject upon con.
stitutional grounds, and to say whether it was fit or not to place the
education of' a Prince who might be one day called on to &lithe
throne of this realm, in responsible or irresponsible hands. The
avowed object of this grant was for the education of the young Prince,
and he (Mr. Brougham) was desirous that he should be brought
up in the most liberal and becoming nianner; but let the Noose
consider whether it would not accomplish its object upon more
constitutional. more regular and safer principles, by confiding his
education to the handle of his Majesty, or, more correctly speaking,
his Majesty's Ministers, who were responsible, titan to the Duke
of Cumberland, who was not responsible. Such a proceeding
would sfliard a much better security against the possibility of eff.
veering this 6,0001. a year from the education of the young Prince
to the payment of debts, annuities, and other incumbraaces, thin
could be effected by entrusting the administration of the funds to
his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland. lie was free to ad.
wit at the present moment they were very flush of money, and, tie
use a vulgar expression, did not seem to know what to do to get
rid of it. The nation had got into its plethoric habit, and here was
a golden opportunity to expend money for the use of this child of
six years old. Rio supposing the Bin to pass in its present state,
it would give the I uke of Cumherlaad a complete control over this
6,0001. a year durit g the minority of his son, and he might spend it
all abroad wlthou, sending one shilling of it over to England fur
the education of the young Prince. This might be done, and then
we should be again called on to pay the expenses attendant en the
education of his son among the other contingent expenses of the year.
What he proposed was to make the grant to the Crown, or rather
the Ministers of the Crown, making them responsible that it shotthl
not be diverted front its sacred purpose, but set apart as a mend
fund for the accomplishment of the proposed object; along with
this lie would leave the power and control of the Prince's education
where it at present existed by law, in the hands' of the King. The
Hon. Member seemed to think he (Mr. B.) thought him not ready
to say, in the presence of strangers, what he was ready to urge upon
this subject in their absence. What he meant to convey was, sin'.
ply, that it might be more convenient for his Royal Highness tie
Duke of Cumberland to have his cause pleaded in private than in
public, and perhaps the Royal Duke's friends were also of that
opinion.
Mr.'Secretary CANNING said his Right Hon. Friend (the Chan.
cellor of the Exchequer) had manifested his anxiety to send this
grant through the House in a shape as unobjectionable as possible ;
and for his part he fully concurred in the course taken by his Hun.
Friend, and thought themore clear the understanding on which
the terms of the grant were made, and the more perfect the secu-
rity which was afforded for effecting its purpose the better. lie did
not seek to obtain for his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumber-
land any extraordinary degree of credit or confidence at the hands
of the House. Without entering into the consideration of that suite
ject, it was sufficient to say that those Honourable Gentlemen
who thought the grant, if vested on his Royal Highness, would he
diverted from its proper object, and lavishly thrown away, and tie.
voted to purposes not contemplated by the vote of the House, must
feel, think, and be actuated in a way very different front his Right
Hon. Friend who had introduced the measure to the consideration
of the House. Under such circumstances, and acting on that be-
lief, it could not be expected that they should support the measure,
but on the contrary ; neither could it be reasonably expected that
those who thought with him, and took the same view of the case Ps
did his Right Honourable Friend (the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer), could for a single moment come into the proposal
of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite (Mr. Brougham).
For his own part he did think that the opposition offered to this
measure, and the hostility manifested towards his Royal Highness,
the Duke of Cumberland, was founded upon a distaste felt by some
towards that High Personage, or, he should rather say, it appeared
founded more upon a downright dislike than Ulnae. and more upon
a persecuting detestation than either. (Hear.) Those Gentlemen
who were determined by their vote to endeavour to exclude his
Royal Highness from the enjoyment of any share of a father's
power and influence in the education of his child, openly declared
their distrust of the Duke of Cumberland, and proclaimed their
opinion of his inability to educate his own son. Upon the same
grounds would those Members act who felt disposed to support a
diminution of the grant such as that now proposed, although he ad-
mitted it was extremely difficult, perhaps impossible, to say wit hin
tits or live hundred pounds what should be the exact limit of its a.
'wont. However Gentlemen acting upon either of the suggestions
0- the LiCITI. and Learned Member would be only bringing to the
tear within t. walls walls an opinion with respect to the Duke of
byCum-
berland, long OptIl:;* avowed
4many without them,but which he
felt was by no means a
..! subject for,p:. had been displayed on
discussion in that plane.
He thought the utmost sincerity u.
the part of his Majesty's Ministers
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in the ,fiduct of this grant,
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more particularly by his Right Hon. Colleague 2..'e Chaoceßor
of the Exchequer, who had at once consented to limit the "Tent
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the life and the minority of the Young Prince; but lie also la.'T a
and was assured, if he or his Honourable Friends consented
to any further propositions, at least such as those now made,
they would be only adding fresh confirmation to the nppro.
brium which, lie thought, unjusdy existed against his Royal High-
sets the Duke of Cumberland ; and along with that, they would
have deserved ill of their country in bringing his name in nata-
tion, or the present subject before the consideration of the Hoare.
He was perfectly satisfied to limit the grant to the continuance of
the minority of the Young Prince, and he thought his Right Hon.
Friend. in consenting to that, had agreed to everything that was
practicable, but he could never agree to those furtherdeMands, which,
if conceded, would only go to fix firmly on his Royal Highness
the stigma it had been attempted to attach to his name ; and on
those grounds he felt himself called Son to resist the amendments
now proposed to be introduced into the Bill.
Sir CHARLES FORBES' rose amidst loud cries of s. ques-
tion," and •• withdraw." We understood the Hon. Baronet to
say, that if the charges were brought forward he had no doubt of
his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland's ability to meet
them in a satisfactory manner.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House di-
vided, when there appeared—
Against the Amendment - . . 152
In favour of it . - - . 114
Mijority Is Even of the Bill - --113
On re-entering the gallery, we Mud the Speaker in the Chair,
and Mr. BROUGHAM Mthuering the Home. As woo as the
disorder consequent spas the whnissien of strangers had subsided,
we understood the Hon. Member to speak to the thllowing tact :
He woultbnot attempt es Anode, the pain he felt at the decision of
the Committee; he was bet going to violate privilege by aroldn‘ing

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