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should he ascertained•and declared ? He hoped that
the previous news:son would not he agreed to ; it
should not he lett ituascertaincil, because the err-
•ants of the Crown were afraid to ascertain it ; it
was not right that this trostiott Should hang about
his neck, while the ocher was about to be decided.
Upon all those accounts. he thought that they
should come to a filial decision that night. He
regretted much that the question happened to lie
mixed with nay reference to the evidence; if they
did censure, they ought to state clearly the fact
upon which they petsedltheir censure ; he therefore
wished that the 'lsolations had been confiued to
the main fact above; but this was merely a cri-
tical observation, in which perhaps many would
be found to differ from him. The first
resolution he entirely approved of, as a fair and
candid statement; but he did not wish to go to the
entire extent of the second. Ile was not preitsred
to agree with his Hon. Fbend, that it was only
when the letterof the Constitution was violated, they
should stood forward to censure; they should br
equally jealous in preserving the spirit. He agreed
that the phntee unconstitutional" was not im-
proper, liut it had two !urge and general a signitica.
tion. The practice of Lord Chatham. iu this in-
stance, was not the practice of the Constitution ;
yet he e,uld not agree to apply such an indefinite
expression, an expression which might call upou
the House to apply its highist.dre,rse a► censure or
punishment ; he wished, therefore, ohm, in lieu of
the Resolution, something cou'd be submitted,
ascertaining the precise degree of guilt or
; he wished for such a proceeding. bat it
would not become him to take it into hi■ own
hands ; hr would, however, suggest, that something
is these trrins,,tight lie substituted:—

" That the Home saw with miret the report of Lard
Chatham, as Commander in-Chief of the Expedition to the
S..lieldt, presented to His Majesty. without any prelims
communication with the responsible servants of the Gown;
ticot flu y considered it .its of s tendril( y injurious to His
Majesty:, service, and to the principles of the Constitation
ender which they I;ved.". . . .

Soar war the Resolution which he would recom-
mend ;for, laying aside individual feeling as much
as possible, he thought the Revolution of the
Hon. Gentleman was too oarrre. lig concluded
with declaring his determination to ►ote alpinist the
vermeil qUustien.
Mr. It :lariat/ail. declared, that he would not
agree to make the deriving of that night the fern-
datiou of •itv criminal proceeding; but any thing
which came ...ant of that, he would feel it his duty
to do. Ile meld not ask for the particular law
aganiat which tee Noble Lord had offended; hut
if the practice of the Constitution was deviated
from. he would feel no hesitation in pronouncing
the act unconstitutional. What he objected to
WWI, that the Coaaniatider-iii-Chief, availing him-
self of his priviles: cii :Wefts to the throne, had made
• statement to it upon tliov abject of the expedition
in which he am eniploied, and requested that it
should be kept secret for 3 period without limits-
lion ; by so dial; he ha•l violated a principle of
that Conatitutiou. The Right lion. Gentleman op-
posite had *Hewed that the cu•uwixtare of ilie
haracier of Privy Counsellor a iih that ef military
Commander was objectionable; but be thought
the Meuse hnuld go farther, and declare ite arose
and disapprobation in such a case.

Mr. Owcis -aid, that he had listened with great
attention to the observations of the lion. Gentle-
men on the optekiite aide of the House, to know
whin principle of conduct the Noble Earl had in-
Iniiged, bet he by no means suet:• rded in the dis.
covery. Several Gentlest en hod declared, that
It wig. we unconstitu:ional not ; but he was
al-
ways of opinion, whether it was a pri.r! sion
feeling or uot, that when a charge t..:11 made, it
mould be stated plainly and unequivocally in the
record ; but this was align..., undefined, awl ge-
neral; he did not keow what was toesut by the
term constitutional. The question war, whether

the Noble Lord's conduct ass right or net; and
he could see no reason why soy one, who voted for
the first, should riot vote for the srecaufl reaolutimi.
lie had revolved the subject iu his mind fo► a 1.1111.
sidereble part of the rnotiiior, and was determined
to oppose the motiots. If the COlitluet, s■ advised,
was acted upon, the blinker acting world be re-
skornrible, waether he had advised it or not. In flue,
be would not condetou Lord Chatham, nor any
other unto, until a dr.)uite crime Was made out.

-.-
Lord CA.TLIIRLAGiI was ilc-Wrous that the quer.
tiou of inquiry should be comi.letely porsued. He
admitted that the mode in which the Noble Lord
had answered some or the questions put to him,
insight induce them, as it had induced them, to be-
lieve that there was such u paper in exisitenee as
that Hoare had a right to demand ; he, however,
considering the character and situation of the
Noble Lord, had imagined that there was no such
paper. Now that the paper WKS produced, the
question war, how they should act upon it ! From
his heart he acquitted Lord Chatham of any un-
just or ungenerous pa, pose, it was a relief, • miti-
gation to his reeliags, to be able to dispose or that,
and to cone to the dry constitutional question ;
he would uot go on step beyond what wa.. neces
sary. but, looking at the act as it stood, he meat
pronounce it unconstitutional. Ile wished to know
if his Right Honourable Friend meaht to say
that a Minister was only responsible for such
acts as he had signed himself ? How few were
the acts in reality which a Minister could sive
in his own person. Lord Chatham lead
communicated, as Commander-in-Chief of the Ex-
pedition to Welcher's, a Narrative, which must he
regarded as unconstitutional. He had requested
that it should he kept secret, and toe cui.sequesice
of withhoiding the nerrative was, that of putting
His Majesty into a situation to be advised to give
an answer to addresses, such ai HIS Mai, Sty, in his
individual character, would he willing to avoid.—
Upon the whole, he heel no hesitation to declare,
that the principle so pushed, must make against
the famisentatal peinciples of the Constitution. He
wus sure that nothilig unfair or ungenerous ever ro-
tated the mind of the Noble Lord in the traits ic-
tiou but being au uni.oustitutioual a.:l, he must
oppose its
Mr. Winanan thought the conduct of the No-
ble Lord wrot; towards his colleagues in
*ad still more so towards ltlir Richard Strachey.;
hat Unitive he allowed it was highly improper, he
meld not agree that it was astitutional. He saw
11,1 reason for corcleelng that lur s.c.. '"l.itsa to be
ind:tinite, nor did be think the paper c0at...._.!

a charge against any person, unless as far as aa
attempt tomorrow himself might be supposed to
imply blame is others. As to the proposition of
the Right Hon. Gentleman oppotite, it did not ap-
pear to be particularly lenient. All who had
already spoken upon the subject, *retard to hate
over-leoked the beet excuse that could be offered
for his not communicating the Narrative t. his col-
leagues, to the brat instance. The excuse ought
to have hero, that, from the situation of the (Jo-
ve tttttt eut at house, he did not know win) his col-
leagues were, and under that impression, went to
the &anima head. He would vale fur the nautical
of his Hon. Friend. .

... ..... ..-... -
Mr. PARCEVAI. WASIMAiOUS SO sure. ed the Right
Hun. Gentleman, because whet he mid offered was
the best erguinent for his side of the titic-tion,
though the Right:Hon. Gentleman hail deterimord
to vote on the other. It had beret insisted all along..
that the object of Lord Chatham, in delivering ins.
Narrative to the Klee, was secrecy; but that hr de-
wed; its ultimate object was publicity, and that ob..
jeet was eutertaunctl from the very beginning. It oat
only to have been kept secret fur a time. He thought
that the decision against the previous question would
prejudice the calms of time Noble Lord, and of the
Mitiisten thesuselvei in the !eliding morn. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had suggested a proposi-
tion, which, however. he would not propose, and
which went but a little way indeed to mitigate the
eriginisi revolution. Ile (Mr. Perceval) conceived
this to he II case of error, but of venial rem., end
therefore he was of opinion that the hest course
the House could .—mu was not to eutertsin it.—
He saw no unconstitutionality or illegality iii the
desire of comealmeut. though he admitted it to
he wrung in such ii case. It was the practice of
every peremi sent upon any mission to cousin 'anisette
with the King on his return, whether verbally or by
lents. It had been said that secret advice would
ruin the Constitutiou, but the advice, to be fe-
tal, must be had as well as secret. If it was
the opinion of the House, as he was inclined to
think it was, that the action was not dictated by.
any bad motive, sod that no bad consequence
could be 'hewn to result from it, they mast agree
with him as to the propriety of supporting the pre-
vious question.
Mr. HATXUIST and Mr. C•untio explained.
Mr. Wen kid, that, in the present state
of the debate, he would not offer many obverse.
lions, but would merely state. with as much hie-
vity as possible, the tactual and tannuisibte state of
the questinn. It hail teen observed that Lord
Chathasu stood arraigned by I 00000 . min a discussinn
bed taken place upon the occasion, iit the course of
which his Lordship hut not a kiill:le advocate,
red one to stand forward in defence of his cone
duet, or to etrer any thing in extenuation of
his crime. To many his treasures appeared
objectioilable, but tint unconsiitutiomil ; by ninny
his metves were depreciated, but were viewed
by that jaundiced jaclipuent, which denied that
they were opposed to the system of the Con.
.stitation. Bet. was it not known to those Gentle-
mess--was it nest known to the world, that, what-
. ye, was cinerary to the genius and spirit of the
Constitution, must be uncoustiintioe.al ? And was
it not isduty inseparable from the virtue of that
House, to leave a testimonial of their abhorrence of
an infringement of that genius and that spirit? The
journals of that How should bear the record of its
dishonour, end at the same time of its vengeance.
Gentleman bad censured the conduct against which
hewas so deeply impressed, and then they witted
for the previous qmstiom %Vas the country to be
left in suspense, as to the prilariety or the Glee
tiensmess of ass act, while those Gentlemen acreened
themselves under the shabby shelter of the previ-
ous question? lie acknowled,,teff his amazement
at au Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bunko), who spoke sli-
d by rote ; he did not certainly suspect the Hots.
Gent. for such 11 language as had that night been
exhibited by hint. lie. however, consigned hint'
to that same rank of the guardians of the Constitu-
tion, to which be had been formerly known, and
whose appeshation he had iiisured. Bat advice
had been given by Lord Chatham to His Majesty,
end that *trice had been acted upon, and things
Intl been reduced. which, but for the iustitittoots
of the inquiry, would survey have 'ssue to light ;
hut flentleniets were mistaken whim trey culled
it a narritive—it was no narrative—because there
still existed a secret between His Majesty and
Lord Chatham, unknown te may others, concealed
even (ruin his colleagues, from thine who would
make away with him. but yet who still cherished
and supported him. It had been as-erted, that'
Lord (Airtime. sought publicity; no one was font
enough to think that shy such thing as publicity
credit have been established but for the inquiry.
Did he express' any desire for s public investigetion?
come 'mid he had demanded it; but when the goes-
ti 111 l was pressed, the answer was, that he did toot
eleurstid but wan willing to undergo it. He (Mr.
Whitbread) could sot but helteve, that upon the
question as to His Lordship's furtbe r cowmen niceness'
to His Majesty, hie Lordship had forgotten; he
was inclined to ascribe it to a defect its his memory.
But might he Hot likewise suppose that in his
Lordship's Narrative was contained a speculative
opinion that B.r Richard &when should not upon
mil other occeidon he employed ; that such com-
munication lay in the breast of` the King ? Thst the
deed wasirreparable lie WWI tirinly convinced; mud in
order to pieveut a- reptilian of such deertietire
'lmmures, he would amnia to the honour and in-
dependence of the House, and trusted that hr
would succeed iu entering upon the Journals. the
teed of its iiiialienable mind for tbe Cceistitution.—
An [lna. Gent. (Mr. Steven) had culled the side
of the Howse to which he (Mr. Whitbread) adhered
the 0. P.'s Hr should not say, that he was pre-
cisely an 0. P., but he happened, like them, to
have the law on his side. The Hon. Gent. always
came down upon the House with the •ame words.,
toe same arouthents, the same °litmus; he *as nue
of the phantoms of the Constitution. A man
ought he killed; but a ghost could not. That sect
Ito which lie adhered, was one which could not be
dissipated. ar..eot it was pulverized and ground
Idown. Inc i I io . irahle Gentleman put him in
'Mud of a puppies:-.,!'• ~, in which one of tite Jinn-
iuntive retire elitattici was vtrock throligh mid
through with, a sword, and when he was 'shot whe-
ther hr ;:ise il.ail ? re-pi1e...4 4. that he had not wit
war ~r; „r ;. - ...: . ~,,,i up, owl 5t0.,.1 Quit olive
1 t',47,:. T:.. . - . ' .'.. man assumed tire chime.

fee of Antony, add tried to convert the Roman
Senate; but yet the voice of truth prevailed. Au-
touy could not raise the snob, and the present
question should not be lost amid the tumult, cotifu-
sum, and fallacy of these to whom it was obnoxious.
When he looked to Lord Chatham's crimes, they
were such as could bear uo palliatiou, those front
which he could never be absolved—the confidence
of his country was abused—the confidence of his
King war abused and controuled, he had bound his
Sovereign for his own purposes—awl what did he
say in excuse for withholding this Narrative from
public vie* 1 why, that he kept it to accompany
Sir R. Strachau's Narrative. DiJ not every one feel
indignant at such a subterfuge? Could any common
vulgar witness, with such an assertion ar this, pass
unnoticed by the just iinplisition of the House, and
uaputlished ? He challenged any our to say that lie
overrated any thing, that he had acted from per-
sonal motives. The Hou. Gentleman asked, whe-
ther he would tyke the stones from the moo 1111 l ,t
of the father, to hurl upou the sou ? He would ant
Freak of the two contrasted characters iii private
life; but he was compelled to say, that, us a
public man, the father hail been air object fur
imitation—the son, an object of avoidance.
He honoured NMI revered the chureeter of 11.iilisits
Earl of Chatham, while he censured that of John.
What sac the conviction upon this great occasion ?
Was it trot almost general ? Were nut many fur
his motion, who were out so upon the presumption
of what be had done, but of what his Lordship had
left undone ? And this should be a strong intimi-
dation to the Noble Lord, if he would ever again
wish to decorate himself with those emblems of
honour. He (Mr. Whitbread) did not act from
the spirit of venueance.—Lord Chatham had no
advocates, millions were advocated by him. He
theiscouctuded by saying, that as soot' as the first
revolution was desisted, they would the') consider
of the propriety of substituting another iu the place
of the second.

Afters few words from Crne►al Gsosyssos, the
House then ili%Med UpOlt the first Itesolutiou. when
there appeared.:—

A)ts
Noes
MAJORITY AGAINST MINISTERS 33

Mr. CANNING S Resolution wns then substituted
ia place of the second, without u diction.
The House adjourned at HALF PAST THREE
o'clock.

LIST OF THE MINORITY
IN TKO MOUSE OY LORDS, LYON TRU MARQUIS Ili
L•PIIDOR\I MOTION.

PRLIi.NT.
OURS,. 1.111-4:1 I.
Norf,lk llunuuebißore Greer'Me
S 'rbet ltu-slyo St John

Argyle Grey ( %friaries
111 A R QI.: !Wilco. Ile liester litelland
Lanstltesta Grosvenor keit%
Stafford Bei 'tot Eetkuse
Dort neltire. Besberottgle kis;
iNendfort 31 sirs Nay awl Sete
Dunlite theruky Pummel,'
{:AILS. l'sryvfort Elknissreugh
Derby Bread:Mttle Hark,
Spent re Exult 'lisle Earned
Hard s 'eke ♦ unit T. DONIE/
Ails murk Bulkeley 13,14e,p Of Oxford
Essex

PROIIIIEB.
DU A Pi. Winton eaTIONI
Rt. A lbaa's Si V lucent Astburtuu
Devonshire Cork age Orrery Stenr•ll
Grafton WaWeems . Brit) liro.ike
Bedford Filletlllaui Ciro e
NA kilt lases. Jersey Mow turf
Buckiugliam Upper Ussery Auckland
Bute Seftelit Glastmdiury
l'uwio bend nadnur Coodur
► A It LS. Thanet SOUILIS
Tooker% Ole Berkeley Dale
Durliugton Guilford Buiebioninn
Searbormigh Charlemuut Yarborough
011114131111 VISCOUNTS. De Cliffusd
Cholluondirley Bolingbroke . Soot hatopt oa
Shaftesbury Cidatm Foley
Farteseue Anson Bishop St. Asapls
Cat lisle --- Lincoln

Ansetow—Paul Cowper holding the proxies of Viscount
Hereford; and Lord Grey de Rutile Earl of Coweis,
hpW-
iug the proxy of the Marquis of Blewllford.

hi FM THEATRE-ROYAL, COYENT.GA it DEM.—.
This Evvoia*. Ev car MAI IX ■u HUMOUR, laud A
RV DO VI OF ULU ODORS.

LYCEUM THEATRE —This Evesini, Much ADO
•wut Nomura,mid HIT oft Mess!

THE BRITISH PRESS.

LONDON,
TUESDAY. MAIM. 6.

In the debate of last night, Lord CASTLEREAGH
•ud Mr. CAS nt RH spoke against Miiiivters. as will
be sees in our report. At the •ugge.tiou of the
letter, Mr. WHITBREAD'S R,•olnrionA were tomb.
Red, and, upon a division. Miuister• were left in s
dteidtd MINORITY.

The following is a copy of the It-s•dotions moved
by Mr. WHITBULAD, lit the Iluu-e or COinniOne, nu
East :
nisi it appear. to this linnet, that John, Earl of flat-
ham, baying registered His ila3esty to permit t.ius to pre.
scut los report to His Majesty, mid hawing
that Ills Alajcsty mould out cutunsuniegate it far the pm si•irt,
did, on the isth sifiasuary trims:sot to His Jiss-
jo-ty a paint, bearitig date tlw rith .clulits pi reeding, nod
purlost on to he at Yarratice of his proceeding as Commandet-
iu
Chis{ of His litalealy's laud Asters 111 the lute Expedition
to the /Scheldt; mad that he withheld all koinaltikm Ili. 'mot
both (rum His Majesty's Alginates., stud tlie thuisai cum
ing iu the said Expedititio, whoa. conduct is materially tos-
plirattel In the said Narrative: thnt tb, same *at on the
I'll, day of Fehreary last, !thieved h., by illa Majesty
eininsioi, in emmequesste of his win icsiarsit ; mud that .0
4lh of February 1 e again tehtlerml the sai•lNtoratste Io
IL& llojetty, Its. saum Is.:11117, been previously by tlir
suppression ufn partgruph anal',, of
suleilanrc of stbtrh this hr the fliallll4llll.ol s.f the
said East, has hams unable to ascertain.

" That the Iwl of (:hallsost, by arch priest, cosauntaira-
Atom to Ilty Slajtsty, 4 etoupano,l Iry such .1 lire of e.eo. y,
lint lon 4/02Mi11i...m.11y 111491 e the po orate of aril 1., 1.,‘
Starreign, and tlstielly albs,' an exan,ple, mn..t p rm. O.
1111111:11/1 to His Naked) I nereue .usti the gere•al
Sere.t u( the State."

The Finn. Pat•ra HOBERT DRI/MMOND ISVir
!SM., WIC of LOSA GVVIDIA. has diit;•hiri ill.ll. rif
• candidate fur the cuuisty of Catmint 'gr.