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thitt before he adniltied
ebsreeet roposition, that a sinking (trod
iihriuld bt .supported, he should look to' thi
moms of the comitry, end the state of that people
vine iambs ceittrlbote to its support. No man will
vikis' et to • leakier; fond, it property employed.
Bat how.is it applied ? We have seen a large
sposinf money taken .out of• the pocket* of the
io the urine efis sinking laud, applied to
dllbe expenses of the State. He thought this money
'..ipopese secure, in the people'. pocket. then in
Agi"of the Commirsioesers for paying off the pub-
. 4 debt. Ile would recommend his Hon.
,Friend
.:I,,stithdrew hia.motion for the present; but if he
•persevered, he citcourae would support him. •
• Lord MILTON agreed with his Hon. Friend on
the floor, that the credit of, the country would be
best maintained
keeping the money in the
peektte of the people. He was satisfied that the
Ministers were pot swire..of the extent of the
-agricultural diairemes. It was troea Committee
had been appointed, but if be might credit public
roamer with regard, te.the peeceeding. of that
"Committee, it seemed as if Ministers had gone
into it with that feeling. Ile,thought, that. if the
Clouse agreed to the proposition of his Hon. Friend,
It tees by no means inconsistent with the recouraneu-
sletion of the Charreelror of the Exchequer, „His
Honourable Friend (Mr. Careen) only proposed
to bring in the Bill, and he should propose diet
the Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chen-
of the Exchequer) should permit the Bill.
to be brought iu. and the future stages of
it to be suspended till it could be seen whet the
'Committee sitting up stairs *liquid .recommend.
He wee satisfied that no tax pressed more open the
interest than the one before them. In
• one of the southern counties it so happened that
the cultivation of a large tract of land was about to
be abandoned, by the tenants quitting, and he
• thought it very unlikely that tenants would now be
got to take it, and thus the pressure of this tax had
bad the effect of throwing so mach land out of cul-
tivation. Ile was satisfied that the farmers would
•feel more relief from the repeal of the Horst Tax
than even by the repeal of the Malt Tax; he Should.
therefore, vote for its repeal prioeipally beCause it
bore on those formers who cultivated stiff clayey
-soils, and were feast able to beer it.
Mr. Cuawsu said, that he should have no ob-
jection to comply with the recommendation of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, with the understand-
iug that if the Commithe should delay their Re-
port (which be did not anticipate), that he should
then be at liberty to being the subject forward wine.
The CHANCILLOR of the Exclisnuca agreed
that nothing could be more fair than that which
the Honourable Gentleman claimed in the event of
• the Report bring delayed.
Mr. Bustin. declared that he should object to
any substitution of another tax in the place of
this, if it should be repealed, let it come from
whence it would; he never would consent to re-
lieve one part of the community at the expense
of another.
The Ctemicse.Loa or the Excazgove said, he
certainly reserved to himself the *piton of propos-
ing soother tas ; leaving it to the House to judge
which ofthe two was least burdensome.
. Mr. C. SMITH and Mr. Dania BROWNE said
each a few words, which were inaudible in the gal-
from the cries of "Question-t"

Lord ALTtloatt *eked if the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman would engage, ►hould the Committee on the
Agricuhund Distre►res recommend that the to
•hoald be taken off; he would comply with their
recounntendauon : then he would consent to with-

drags Ow mation, but if not, he nest press it to a
ditytiosh.
The Gallery was then cleared for a division, and
au leaving it we left Mr. FRANKLAIID Lewis
on his legs. On our re-admissicio to the Gallery
we understood that no division had taken place, but
•Mr.Cnawas had consented to withdraw his motion.
BANK CAUL PATIMENTI.
00 the Order of the Usy being read for the
iinpatt,to go into a etnaglittee ow the Bank Casb
Ployeentt
Mr. Baptista said, as ibis would be the last op-
portunity he should have, and as many considered
that the distresses of the country were connected
with the change of the currency. he did think it
of great importance, that the subject should be
re-considereed before it was filially settled. He
would not detain the House by going at length
into the subject, bat would move--

" That it be ao iaatructioa to the Committee lo reronaider
-the Act of 60 Ge 0.411. and &stead the same, with She view
-of alleviating the peeinove whielatbe strict catitothoo of that
Act would have me the warioos laraochies of iodestry."
The Cumicitt.f.ot of she Ezc•anusa said a
few words, which were inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. Et.tice saids uudoubtertly if another upper-
tomity were afforded, lie would rather not go into
"the subject on this evening.
The CHAN-C[l,l.OA of-the EICHBOUEltoatal, there
+htch I adjourn the debate

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moutspoly
Ism eogaisie Of 'applying us. The
proposal of tbe,Hosiallevesee (94: 11.-Paroell), that
its #aifi the Comsoilhea 'Muhl • sesalse to admit
to Posher, let it come from when it would.
at s a duty of two peas& spee bawl ; • that
*Geld he neither soot* use less shame declara-
tion. that 1843 *e meant to exclude from our
markets all colonial timber. He bed never coo-
leaded for the measure as one which woald make a
wear approach to a purer system, but as one vials
towards it. In tine artificial state in which we were
he was quite aware that considerable protection was
doe. both to the shipping interest mid to Our
Colonies. He knew it was a qoestiortwith many
whether our colonial system of trade was ooe *lnch
ought to be persevered in, but "Milo it did exist
the Colonies were entitled to protection. The
measure proposed he considered fair both to oir
Colonies and to the Powers in the north of Europe.
Sir H. NEHRU; said. it appeared to him that
the Right lien. Gentleman did not fully under-
stand the measure which he had proposed. He
bad argued it upon the ground of its effects in
Ramis and Norway, but bad omitted to consider
its effects on the consumer. The difference of
duty between Norway end Russia was, iii the
nature or a bounty, to induce Russia to send her
timber to this country. With regard to the general
question. the Right lien. Gentleman (Mr. Wallace)
lard it down as a principle, that the policy of floss
troantry ought to be to boy timber where it could
be obtained of the best quality and lowest price.
Now the aserchasits trading to the Baltic would be
satisfied with the scale of duties now proposed, if
at a Insure period they should be allowed to carry
on the trade on the principle of the Report. 'That
Wes the object of the amendment which he intended
In propose, and as it was intended to operate at a
distant period, no injury could accrue to vested
capitals, which, before the time proptned, might be
withdrawn. After some further observations the
Hon. Baronet concluded by moving—
" That from and after the Ist day of January, MS, the
deity or all Eureka Timber iesporied foto iibe Veered Cog.
don should be V. per hod of be egoist feet, sod on deals
2/. ba. per load of so odic feat—the duties to be charged
by the cubical molests."
Mr. Bemoan. said, that having no ma's, in-
terest or connexion with the trade, he wait jitandiog
as n neutral person, anxious to offer hia huiaibirsaid
to the principle of a free trade in tits country.
The House, he thought. ought to take this op-
portunity of putting one branch of trade on a
proper footing. The Committee would recol-
lec', that 'hie was not a trade or lung stand-
ing, or one which had been fostered with boun-
ties, so that considerable iirterests might have
grown op, and would be injured by the alteration ;
on the contrary, the trade with Canada fur tim-
ber had ouly commenced with 1807, and then
under an express understanding that the advantages
granted would not be permanent. The Right
lion. Gentleman (Mr. Wallace), in order to lay a
tax on Russia and Norway timber, takes a distant
country (America), and calculating the difference of
freight, adds that to the dirties of the nearer coun-
tries, in order to secure a supply of inferior quality.
But why did not the Right lion. Gent, go further ?
why not go to New Zealand for timber ? that was
at the Antipodes ; and if lie would tax the timber
of Russia, Norway, and America, so that the New
Zealander could bring his timber in, the principle
would then be padre'. It was in order to benefit
the lumber-men of Canada. or another race of
lumber-men, the old ship-owners of this countez,
that the Right Hon. Geatleman proposed this tag,
bat he thought that four or five hundred thousami
pouirds was too great sawn to pay for such a purpriaa.
He entered into a statement to abet" that the
ties had only tended to produce the extil.clion
the Norway trade, and thereby to drive the 644
and cheapest article out of the market. He know •
nut whether from collusion with the Russian
tiei-
clants, or for what national bent fit Itiossia Wde to
enjoy such a superiority in the application or the
duties. He shelved that the plan of the Right lion.
Gentleman would eatable Ramis to compete with
Quebec in the British market, while Norway
would be entirely driven out of the mar krt. He
preferred the plan of his Noble Friend (Lord Al-
thou p), which would put all 'the timber from the
'North of Europe upon a more equal fuJiing of
advantage. He proposed a reduction of one.half
on the duties of Baltic timber, and laying a day
of small amount on American timber, and mobs.
ed that the effect would be to drive the laid tity
bet of America out of the market, and cause aiis
augmentation of the revenue. He traced the op-
position of the iftercautile interest to the al teratiou of
the duties to motives of self-ititertst. There wOli
good brokerage on American timber, and very lit-
tle on that from Norway. He required the Right
Honourable Gentleman, ma a public officer, to sheer
his superiority to such selfish partialities, and let the
public have the advantage of purchasing the beat•
and cheapest article in the market nearest home.
He rid.culed the idea of beriefiting the country by
the continuence aim expensive trade, for the pur-
pose of keeping a larger quantity of shipping in
active service than the supply of the article natu-
rally required.
Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS opposed the Amendment.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY 'defended the cinithict of the

tettilitrith
wee id by ".
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on Hon. Mem Nr. W. Wil.
wee removed into the lobby in a state
ility.J—Sir M. W. Ridley no.
cilisiretedemiered to thew that
44* 004600 w IPb. jug, '
consistent with • due regard for the
nest iritakenMairree. -Re crirrett-
*elements, the isisender-
` American limber OAP of too peer
wee. He eettelided by sup.
,
we i eitsirse to the original motion,
Ole prepusisietta4.bie Hon. Friends,
the loss winch they would indict on
interest; . .
r and, that the shipping interest
chino! ofiees end gain in common
,rests of the country, He c•titild
woreatioD of the Ron. Haronet
beams. *kik the colonial ato-
ll in -Foramina, they were
reasetiebbe protection: But he coo-
thi;t ono
~'oRElrattcese ever Norway in the British
market. - !en:. oft •
. F. RO*ool.4ll.froas the extremetlif-
ferences of °Owen 'option, that his
Hon. Friend wee right' the 'principle ef,tlist me,
Con, He thought titututi the Celptira ,were
gral. part' of
_hi,g4geft weight -to be
treated with vorrtepanding attention. .He thought
.1.., that the shipping interest ought to be con-
sidered gratefully, having been the finidetion of
that marine

rte,1,198 sad the limpae.l,
lie controverted the peoptieir stkopeoing duties
on Camas timber, utsd siekesdad Ifoi proposition of
his Rt. Hon. Friend, fee livisig MOW advantage to
Hussain over Nuewegiaw thither. He admitted the
general prophet y of, the principle of free trade,
but contended for thp peotectiost Rf *rest. and
extensive interests which hail grown up out of a con-
trary ',MM. It was nut necessary to : trouble
the Consmitiee longer; lie really drought that,
considering all the diSculties of the case, the pro-
position submitted by his Right Hon. Frisod.was
calculated to produce consideroblebeuefit, with-
out any injury to our own Colonies...
.Mr. BASING observed that it was to be re-
gretted, when questions of this kind came before the
House, Gentlemen concerned in nsercentile pun•
suits generally took that, view of the case that best
suited their own interests. The argaineuta addpeed
to make us depart from the wand • principles on
which we have always acted, are of two sorts—the
claims of our Colonies_, and the claims of the ship.
ping interest. The Hoe. Gent. they . went, into a
long detail with respect to our Colonies. 1t is out
true. as has been meted, they hare been badly
treated or opprewed by this country. .This timber
tryst,. is • new-grown trade; it is the offspring of
restrictions. He thought a free trade- with all the
world *the sound principle on which we mold act,
With respect to the shipping interest. lie thought
it would be quite absurd to undermine all the other
institutions, fur the porpooe of keeping up • great
body of sailors. This is 'a principle that may be
carried a great deal too far. The question to valor
eider is, to what extent this sacrifice is toe be ea
ried ? He thought that sacrifice, as it now stands,
ton great; for, setting aside naval power, he
thought capital vested in shipping should be
viewed in the same way as capital vested io any
other. commodity. He was sorry to trouble the
Committee so long.—(hear, ken.)—The con-
clusion he came to was, that the proposition sub.
witted by the Right Honourable Gentleman
wow's! .effect that desideratum which he wished,
namely, of doing isomeilustg, and not too much. It
is easily altere4 at any future period, and should
therefore feel it his duty to support it.—(Hear.)
Mr. RICARDO wished to call the attention of
the House to the origin of that Committee. It
arose from numerous Petitions of merchants, mid
this is the first practical recommendation of stun
Committee. The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite,
some nights ago, mad a most able and eloquent
speech, full of the soundest principle., and con-
cluded with a proposition at complete variance with
these principles. He considered the measure as a
sacrifice of 400,000 L of the public money : surel) the
capital could be much more beneficially employed.
But to come to a companion with America. 'rite
price of timber in America is 4/. 13•. a load ; and
if the trade of America was perfectly free, they
could sell us no timber at all. The price of Nor-
way is 3/. 10s., and Russia leo. The inierest
of the consumer is the interest of the public ; and
the House should never look to the right or the
left, hut pursue that course most beneficial to
the general interest. We should, if we muse
pursued an improper course, retorts gradually to
establish a sound principle of commerce. He
should, therefore, support the proposition of
his Hun. Friend (Sir Henry Purnell) ; all that he
tr9uireil is to establ.sb a free and impartial trade.
II is a an colic pienr.e with what country we deal
for cominoilittes, provided we get them OD the best
terms ; of too shops in the same triode, lie world
go into that whirls sold the best and cheapest
goods. It would be a piece of idle impertinence,
and quite useless to his onus interest, to ask him
what profit he has upon the article he is about to
purchase. The object was, to purchase on the
most advantageous terms. We need never be
afraid of not being supplied ; as long as we
linen money we shall be always sure to get
*het commodities we wish. He had to com-
plain of the inconvistency of some Gentlemen
who argued on this question; on particular
points they complain loudly of monopolies; when
any thing is said of East India Docks—" Oh ! how
shocking is molioply—let us by all illeehe have a
free trade." He was on all occasions anxious to sup-
port this policy ; but Gentlemen should look to
the public welfare, and view the case on the broad
'priaciple of justice, and not look to individual its-
terests. He would not detain the Committee
longer, as the question had already been rally
discussed.—fl/cur, hear.)
Mr. MAIIRYATT said he heard with atteutiou this
long discussion. Ships, colonies, and commerce,
'here been sleep considered the bulwarks of the
f.:oustitution, and now we are called on to sacrifice
ships and
. comiio.,apd like the three-legged stool,
when two of its supporters are rush:wed, we must fall

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the &uttering participated, the Order

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- duty to supportit. odjoerned till Moodily/met., . tee.---(Tbe diem otion
Mr. Hamm explained. • mina den illness of es Fl
'Mr. Gyres .wished the tbetlue &sold .be poet. Mr. Beaters presented a Poetise Time the Moe. gams), who was rem.
• pewit until the Report be received. chants of London treats to the Sable, complaisot of considerable debit
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9 tiggeliet thexlegeniseepieelligllnithletllggistaig whoa'hitt egrillisid,"
tea that -*oaf emit- an economy is the timber were tee low am Imps 1044, with that kr: 4 t prefertqqe %Iv
:Vte . .ft ben **amid the Monarchs of ported from the Bettie, wheels etas mode hid se the perfectly consists
getuiltaleta..ileahookbei.s lablerassd mimed to ewers, interment
ratite igtcliiregc. Hecht it were ttholelop. •1. Mr. J. P.l3eauvuoited athetherwiy mordeseele. ed. by &SSW make
br abler to. deal es mom edywitesegps -gees Ind !nen weeds bP:theSwitheirAmlesseador etaildmg that the Ant
atii;;Wa mil; the Sedisati esrit.deelerti,4..;,,, teethe *object of the.deties en Bribe timber? • e.4eatity fur general
bitlinsch be.,edinned be
ist Ms. WALLbes seplivel. amass the table; bet its pronng the-original a
Ira so tit y Man the ingenuity of his lion, ?ONO low a tone of raga that we could set enrols the Mr. Seaga war sty
Ricirdil, yet be thought he raped ash quip. purport of hi. set sorer. bid more to to the pry
-Mimi of Mane is a miner that appeared to • Mt. Manier•Tik said, if Allies were laid ma es on account of the lose
-Mei. practical man like him most extraordinary. k tecoassiended ituthe Petitios. they would operate the shipping interest;
Yiltt eras rim surprises, at what had fallen from the as a prohibition of importation from Ameries. • . Lord ALetaoar
hut. Member (Sir T: Lethbridgr). He thought tliat The Holm then l'eskvied itself ism a Coaiesittee, ought to take it. rthe.
'that Ciestlemon having stipportrd the Mittisters of to comider farther of MM Report: . with the other intrre
ills. Crown in theirexpenditore of the public money, Mr. WALLACt &feuded the Resolutions he had not agree with the pe
'Amid sot now come down to the Honer and sane- proposed to the .Caseasittee against the objective.' (Sir H. Peroell), ha
giomooels • public cheat; and say man that says a takes by Lord Mthorp, Sir H. Parnell. and others, blishment. remained
',tabbing land should not be supported. seys in fact ea a Ismer Light. He coo tesded thot if the scale entitled to ormortehl
t. makomeblie erodit must *vitiated. With a strong of duties proposed by she Noble Lard were adopt. tended for ltislows
lipase and good restorers, we ees bettor meet soy ed, N would he a eamplete twotserrely to Norway, ruiiiird to uo advents
woe thaw with a strong army. tw ea far so she was cepabk of septlyieg ter. The market. en; ,