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county a power to optity to the Lord Lir nierient to
call tido setion. its the pirticuler .iiierict, the town-
:mad &le system, where it aught be detested tir-
cess.irv. He was alien prepared. to mitigate the
operation of the existing practice. and Instead
of keying the fine where the head, or worm of
a still was found concealed, only to levy it
where the machine was found complete. An-
other mitigation would be to bar the inflic-
tion of lines after three years. In the event of
a county calling in the aid of the puce system, it
was intended that Cover ttttt ent should pay one-
half of the expense, and the county the other.
With respect to the encouragement of small stills,
lie thought such a measure could he better intro-
duced in a lei/Orate Bill. Ile concl'inlad by mov.
"That the Chairman be instructed., to bring in
a Bill to limit the operation of the Toweilend Foie
System to the 'Midsummer Of the ensuing year."
Sir J. NEWPORT did not, flee on the present oc-
casion to oppose this motion. No man was snore
anxious than lie was to protect the • °cent anal
mulish the guilty. But he was afraid *lint the
effect of this measure would be to divert from the
resources of the country a portion of the revenue
of Ireland ; and when result was known, then
they would be taunieJ with the unproductive nee
ture of their revenue. though in fact the defahal-
tiet was occasioned by mismatiegemeot. Though
he had strong objections to thi motion, Olt %ccount
of what he considered would be its effect upon the
rt.renue. yet lie hada still greater and more insope-
ruble objection on what he conceived would be its
operation upon the morals of the people. The
effect of the existing system hurt been, he thought,
iii a great degree, to rescue a large portion of the
lower classes from the miserable condition into
which they had been previously sunk by the prat-
tice of illicit distillat' . Ile sincerely hoped his
predictions, that a•repeal of the existing law would
renew the old evil; would not follow. He limiestly
and fairly thought the proposed measure a had one,
sod that it would induce a recurrence of the old
evil. Being of this opinion, he would certainly in
a future stage oppose the Bill.
Mr. CniciosTen. expressed his cordial satisfac-
tion that the attention of his Majesty's Monistera
had been at length drawn to the abominable ope-
ration of the towidand fine system 10 Ireland.—
lie had always been of opinion, that the iiimnetit
the evils and distresses which that system provoked
were fully explained to that House, redress would
be inevitably•obtaiiWil, and the result cow verified
his anticipation. The proposition of the Right
Hon. Gentleman who made this motion, was to
substitute another and a modicred measure for dial
which was now in such oppressive operation. He
earnestly hoped the alteration would succeed, and
answer every fair purpose. Whether it did Of 1104 !
tso consideration should induce lion to countritauce
a continu mice of the towitland fine system. Inde-
pendent of its notorious, mid he would pas; ticker:rev-
hedged inefficiency, he had a ruodaweittul 01+0100
to s(, which would not be shaken if even the exist-
ing system was successful instead of bring miasma-
iog—this übjec;iori was, that it was uticoustitutional
and unprincipled—it broke down the battier* be-
tween the guilty and the innocent, and punished
with indiscriminate severity.—f Lear, hear.)
Mr. VALENTINE BLAKE urged the necessity, in
whatever measures were taken, of keeping in full
view the necessity of suppressilig illicit distillation,
which was so fruitful of evil,
Sir JOIIN STEWART said, that nobody doubted
the necessity of suppressing illicit distillation ; but
the consquences of the towirland fine system were
dreadful in Ireland, and coull no longer he endured.
General HART said, that the operation of the PARIS. MAY 17.
existing system was so oppressive and intolerable in The following is an extract frOin a*privaie letter
Irelatid that no change could be for the worse. lu from Frankfort, dated May 12 :
fact, the people would have preferred the terrors of ss The singular runioursi which have circulated
martial-law to the contitiusece of the toweland tine on the subject of Sweden, and which have evert
system. It was, indeed, the same thine. The found place in some Journals, appear to hove been
only difference was, that the people were op- derived altogether from 'the imaginatian of ferrous
pressed by disciplined troops in a brown uniform who, having collected some of the actual facts, have
lurked of a red—(Cries of gear, hear)-- added some embroidery after their Own taste.
and instead of having its cases of outrage the pro- " The Princes of the House of Vasa have 'lever
section of honourable men on courts-martial, they taken any steps towards reclaiming their rights to
bade court of Excise, which he was sorry to say, the Crown of 4weden since the Congress of Vienna.
shewed no disposition to mitigate the oppression of When about 'a year since, the • young •
Nrsucc
the system; and which constituted in itself the Gustavus being of age, his father Keg Gusta-
iterate offices of JUdge, Jury, and executioner. Inn IV. ieqUired of him whether lie acceded to the
The experiment, as it was called, of the townland abdication which he the King had made of everY
fine system, was had—it failed to produce any thing pretensiou to the Crown of hi:: ancestors ; the young
but indiscriminate upprtseion wherever it had been Prince declared solemnly, " that he did not accede
tried—look, for instance, at the County of Donegal to it, and never would." Gustavus IV. then wrote
—(Heer)—where armies of exeisetrien Were let to the present King of Sweden, Chace. Jean,:
louse upop the r.ople—their motive was their re- that fuithful to Isis word, never to attempt • the re.
wards, and their rewards were provided by the exist- cuvery of thee Crown, which lie had abdicated. he
Mg haw. Fraud, and elticallery, and cunning. were thought himself bound frankly to inform bun of
sure to triumph. He had for a comoileiable period the refusal or the young Prince to accede to the
called the attention of the House to the oppression abdication. King Charles John replied, that. he
of the existing system its Ireland ; he had re- appreciated as he ought to do this honourable
peatedly moved for papers with the view of exposing proceeding on the part of Gustavus IV. but that
its inotietrous effects. Ilis motions were either met he did not feel any necessity of an abdication by
with an unseemly refusal. or when carried, their the young Prince Gustavus, inasmuch, as he,
effect retarded. he might almost say lost, by the Charles Jobe, had been recognised by the Slates
dilatory manner in Which the orders of the House General of the kingdom, and by all the Powers of
had been obeyed. Three separate motions had Europe.
been in succession Made for the prodoction of We are assured that on this occasion, or ever:
papers ordered by the House, and it was only when previously, the present King of Sweden declared
the terror of committal was resorted to that they to the Emperor of Russia Sind the English Coverts=
were found to be forthcoming. Ile was glad to I meta, that ' not having had say ambition 'to ob.
find the eyes and eats of Miiiisters open to this tan) the Crown of swedeu, and hoeing accepted tt
question, and he was sure, how that they had i merely ou the instance of the four Orders of the
looked at the rxisting oppression with r serious its- I realm, he was ready to make a sacrifice of it to Use
tentuni of removing it, they would fi,al the most interests of the nation, if ever the States General
anxious and cordial co-operation on the part of the of Swesiest, and the Diet of Norway, expressed
Gentlemen of Irelmid, in suppressistg illicit distil- their widtes to that effect, and freed lion from the
latiOn, which besides being the belie of the morals oaths that bind him to the two kingdoms.'
of he people, also withdrew their labours and at- On the er-sion of Nos way to Sweden, this latter
tentiou from the cultivation of the soil, which pro Power engaged, by the Treaty of Kiel, to under-
Santo subtracted from the Wealth of the country, take a Cefthils lwrtion of the debts of Detintark..
by dimihishing the rent of the landlord, sod opt- The amount of these debts appeared eventually to
rating injuriously upon the profit of the labourer.— 4 be greater than was at first widerstood, and Sweden
(Hear, hear.) has resisted payment on the ground that D. timark
Mr. IlliTcfmrsoF stated, that, as the Represen- • has slut exactly fulfilled the c lit:oos of the
Wive of a city (Cork) which contained a large body mid that the Norwegians. in resietiog the umate
of opulent distillers, otiose interests were at stake, he of Norway oath Sweeten, have caceed het to contract
thought on their part he had a right to complain of extiriorelinary expenses. Demo:irk replied, that in
the conduct of hiss iliia her she tultiied her part of the
queetiois. They first displayed a decided hostility Treaty, mad that *lie was lint browd by the of
to this motion, they them yielded to their opponent', the Nus Such was i6r question
which war
and without notice, or any argumentative retool!' for asitoottleit to the Coligress of Aix.la-Chep,lle. tae
di sides, took the opposite course, the emote- premium:A decostoduitif Suveoreigosussopays. iawirausuevbl
w'-
titmice of which woo, Item its versatility, very snju- to Denmark, Court
t.tef
clotucititutu
of
out
ribus to the interests of the chief distillers of 1.. - ! Melly charged with pressing the
land. lir beged to guard himself spins' any idea ,
of beiug supposed to countenance the meals by 1 " The Ltuperol Alexander, elisions to redeem the

uloch the townland fine system watt carried into.
execution in Ireland. No mate could suspect him
of countenancing arbitrary or oppre.td we proceed.
logs, but lie still thought the Clud•ucelicoe of
tiw 4schectier, after hiss avowal tiro' the sisb-
ject, had placed I • .elf in rather a lierulnu. altar.
native, iii submitting to the abandonment
syStein which, according to his ()Onion, had col:su-
fferably tended to pot down iirtus
iu
Wand. A gredt alartu prevatled respect ou .:, the
intended measure fur the e.tuttli.lintet:t tut -sums 1,
stills, be hoped the Itiglit Ilon. Cputlestihit woul'
not overlook the prutectium and con.itletation
was doe to the exi.tiwe I.rgedntblleries. 'lle looped
that full time would' be given to lore thus Bill
printed. so us to let'the large distiller. understand
the situation in they would be placed by the

ulceration.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord MOUNTCHAGLES strongly coi.tendeiliogainst
the evils of the existing law. Hr (lid wish to
see any interest unequally operated upon, but lie
denied the right or the power in the Loger distille-
ries to impose restrictonis upon the opers.ton of A.
measure which, he mit persuaded, would have a
most salutary tendency.--(Haut, heur.)---The
county of Donegal, as had been raid, was en te-
al:note of the oppressive effect of the existing sytittid.
Mr. FRENCH reprobated in die airongest terns*
the existing .'stem. On the onnatight Circuit
the calculation was that it annually lttri!i that dis-
trict to 1.009 perjuries. He was. Lure that the
alteration of the law would have fife Silvan of 9Sit
out of the 100 Irish Members: '
Mr. HUTCOItISOit repeated, that the measure was
not likely to produce so much univer-al sinislaction.
He had this day attended a most respectable Meet-
ing of Irish Distillers, wbo were certniiily at sea
upon the lueit . they had had corniniiiitcatiasis
with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but were by
no means satisfied with this txplatr.~um.
Mr. FRENCH 'siphoned.
Sir N. C. Cour:was; said, that the only object,
and he thought it a fair tine, of tit::
was, that they had a right, after basin..., via'iarki-il
large capitals on the faith, lie might sar, of Parlia-
ment, to be protected the ciiii-equein.e of
an alteration its the Chancellor of the Exchec!oet's
system.
The CHANCELLOR of the Exctisirit ER. observed,
that he had communicated with several Irish distil-
lers on this question, and found them, though not
perhaps 'disposed to Flippant the WeaiUTe, yet
willing to try the experiment.
Mr. FORBES congratulated the Hon. General
(Hart) on the perseverance he had siiewn lii bring-
tug this question to what he trusted would be a rue.
cessful termination.
General HART Stuted, that he was always con-
vinced the evil required 'wily to be Generally known
to have a remedy applied to it.
The Resolution was' then agreed to, and leave
given to bring in a Bill.
Mr. LESLIE FOSTER brought is the Irish Tighe
Regulation Bill, which was read r first titne.-o.r:
dered for a second reading on Wednesday.
Ile alio gave notice that he would to-morrow
move for certain Accounts of the Amount of Frei
paid by Solicitors'in Ireland.
On the motion of Mr. Alderman WCOD, sc.
counts were ordered of the quantity 'of slates an-
nually imported.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of, and the Howie adjOurnediat Otte

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