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a reifies sealed DADA and that seigid Re ..aloud •
lkir way to ertietate the arstiseesto of the 'sentry. As fir
the karate bodies who elippwrlrd the lIMPINOVIN, they were
prinripally rose kalif a of she legat iprofeeekel, who woos iii-
neeseed, s 'Nob., by she imams* which the Led Presided
look I. h.—Ordered is be pn.i.d.
WINDOW TAX.
Mr R. SHAW poopesed, to W. doseloy, 11th April, hie
11"1" resPeetive she Me Taz, vide\ dead for
Wodenday, 11th Apt' " --
MALT TAX.
'Mr. LUSHINGTON braised is • Rill id regulating ter
boll M Malt.—Th. Bill woe nod s the tier, sod witted
14. is roads aeostod dad sessmorwer (M. day).
VAGRANT LAWS.

Mr. CISETWTIIO said. he was safe the House
ammo be aware that • Secret Committee had been
appointed in the last Session to cowsider the laws
relating to vagrants; and shortly after that • Bill
was introduced, but it woe so late in the Season
*hat it was considered better to limit the period
tfian to render it permanent. From the observa-
ions lie had made in his own county and the
information he had received. particularly from
that most excellent institution in London, the
Mendicity Amociation, he was enabled to state
that the operation of that measure had fur ex.
:Periled the boat sanguine esurclatious which had
been formed respecting it. Vagrancy bid consi-
derably demand, and • great diminution had taken
place in the county rater, which premed so heavily
open agriculture. The object of hie present motion
was to consolidate the various Acts relating to
•igrauts, taking hit round ,upon the Bill of last
Session. When he stated that within the last
PO years 49 Acts had been passed alma the sub-
ject, he thought it would be sufficient to induce
the House to consent to the motion,. It was re-
haterked by one of our monarchs, Edward the Sixth,
"That it would be most advisable, when time
silted, to make ell the statutes more plain snot
*hart in order that ell men might understand them."
If then that was necessary at that period, bow
tnoth more u'c y now, when there Vas such
multiplicity of statutes. His second object was to
steline. as much as poesoble, the crime of vagrants,
in order to distinguish the venom classes—the
idle end disorderly. she unfortunate and distressed,
;he sturdy beggar and the incorrigible rogue; foe
i,.tres most material that all these classes should
,no as • be. coufuunded, or the same punishment in-
Ctrd all. Upou this subject, he would beg
.Zeler the House to the opiutua of a snout en-
trued magistrate. who had written sense able
stark. upon the subject, he meant Mr. Colqiihouti.
Ile said. " That in legislating foe a penal offence in
*II free country. it was always serf& to consult
tlm feelings of society ; for of the people were
eoce impressed with an idea that puaishmeut was
too severe. it would he extremely difficult to tarry
the lees into execution " In the retest Bill he
had also ia view a plait fur regulating the imsaing of
various. Upon that subj.ct lie had received •
letter from • magistrate, which stated that it cost
for passing vagrants in two counties, Berke and
Wiltshire, 2,51}7/. in the course of one year. It was
then reeutially necessary that some regulation
ghoul(' be made on that subject. His next object
was the regulation of the venous lodging houses,
which were, in fact, nothitig better the. so many
receptacles for vagrancy and crime. In the neigh-
bourhood of Whitechapel there were thirty or forty
of them. These houses could not be altogether
sup pressed, and his idea wee that they should be
licensed like public houses, they should pay some
small sum. and their license was to be retained only
during their good behaviour. He should theree•
fire move for leave to bring in • Bill to coaselie
date the various Acts relating to vagrauts, and all
idle and disorderly persons.
Mr. Caters seconded the motion.
Mr. CIISTIVTIID end. the other Bill he had to
propose was similar to one which had been intro-
duced last Session. Every gentleman who acted as
magistrate must be acquainted with the difficulty
s.f drawing up a summary proceeding in many
cases. The object of his motion was in make one.
general form of proceeding. He should therefore
core, " For leave to bring in • Bill to facilitate sumo
mary proceedings before Magistrates sod others."
Mr. M. A. Tavtoe said, if the Honourable
GenOrman would be able to frame • Bill which
wruid übsiste the frtiveset difficulties which urine
its many ease., lie would be entitled to she gratitude
at his cottony, fur it was almost impossible to draw
up s proceeding of so nice • texture. es that •
itlitish attorney will not discover some flaw.
Leave was then granted to bring LAI both Bills, •
aid a Committee watt appointed to prepay diem.
PUNLIC JOURNALS. ,
Sir JOHN NIIWPYIT moved fur • Select Com-
mittee, to take ur• consideration the Iteeolutiou of
tree 7th March last, respecting the distribution of
record volumes, and to report their observations
thereon, as to the best mode of carrying the said
Resolution into effect.
After • few words from Mr. Davies GILBBILT,
leave was grunted. awl • Collllo3lllet /appointed ac-
es/Jingly.
WA Of THE HOUSE.
Joitit 1441111ruiet said he had a motion to
s:bunt to the consideration of the House, which, if
adopted, would, in his opinion, be attended with the
most beneficial effects. It was. that the House be
called over upon the 24th of April. In gidiug this
long notice he had two objects—filet, to give ample
tame to such geolleinew as were detained in lieland
end Scotland ; and. secoudly. aid prtompally, be-
cauae it was probable, indeed certain, that some
mammies ofimportaoce relative to Ireland would be
bought ender the consideration of the Hotta', sod
I,e considered it of -Abe utmost advantage to secure
• full attendance. From the experience of many
years he could say that nothing was tuore grateful
to the people of Ireland than to are the questions in
which they were concerned attended to in that
House. And he knew how difficult it WWI to make
it apparent to them, that, since the eatiuction of
their own Legislature, their interests bed not been
tieelected ; and it was his sincere conviction that
~tithing could trod more to the prosperity of the
et.untry than to impress epos their minds that their
affairs had receleed adequate attention. If hi.
Knuth)* was agreed to, it would hese the effect of
s, coring a full attendance after the recess. He had
bet owe object is view. and that was to establish
Qua be hoped would be etOrmanent, the confidence
et the people of Ireland in that House.—(Flear,
berer.l—.He should therefore move, 1' That the
House be called over oft the teth April next"
The Caextillissoa ef the Except's& did Dot

meet to oppose the motion of the Right lion.
Baronet, for he fully concurred in the opinions he
hail expressed. as to the iMportatice of chewing to
the people of Ireland that their affairs were - lint
neglected ; bat as the Right Hon. Baronet had not
laid open his views, he wished 'to guard himself
against giving any pledge to support whatever
motion he might submit upon the subject.
The motion was then agreed to.
POOR'S RATES.
Mr. TtioNall COurtswatr moved that • select
Committee be appointed to consider the sums
assessed on Poor's Rates for the last four years in
England and Wales.--Ageord in.
Upon the request of Lord JOHN RusseLL, Mr.
Hesse consented to postpone his motion, which
stood for Tuesday the 19th, to Thursday the 41st
blatant.
COLLECTION or THE REVENUE.
Colonel Davis rose in pursuance of a notice lie
had given some lime back, to submit * motion on
the subject of Collecting the Revenue, and whether
it IraS considered in • constitutional or a Galicia,
point of view, it must be a matter of extreme itn-
portisuce. Though he had moved the Order of the
Day for the motion of which he had given notice, it
was not his intention to involve the whole subject of
the collection of the revenue in discussion—
his object was merely to have motion., taken
far bringing the collection of the revenue uno
der the survey and eontrol of Parliament, the
.same a every. other branch of the public expen-
diture. Wheu it was considered that the ex-
pense or collecting was four millions and up-
words, a corn equal to the whole of the interest of
the public debt at the commencement of the list
reign—that it was at the absolute dispose! of those
who had the directiou and management of the pub-
ic expenditure—that in tits season of general dis-
trese.it became the House and the Government to
cut down and keep pruning the over-growing and
abusive expenses of the various establishments, he
thought there would be little difficulty in con-
vinciug the least credulous how necessary it
was foe Parliament to have control over these ac-
counts, as they had over all others. He need
IK-steely add that this article of expenditure had
been always considered by every Minister as the
great source of his official power, and as the readi-
est means for wielding the opinions and votes of
Parliament. He thought it best to go at once into
some general description of the resolutions he was
about to propose on this most important subject.
His first resolution would describe the general rate
and amount of the charges for collecting the reve-
nue of the year 1820—namely, an expense of
4400,000/. in collecting a revenue of 62.000,000/.
or thereabouts, being a charge of 61 per cent. His
second resolution would state in detail the separate
charges of collection on each branch of the'revenue
of IBM sad the difference in the rate of expense
between both periods, which difference would he
Ifinnii to be on the expenses of collecting the cuts-
toms, 1/. 12s. per cent. ; on the excise, gn. per cent.; •
on the land and awaited taxes, 500,0001. in total•
on the Post-office. El. Ito. 3tl. per cent, ; on the
6d. duties I!. Is. per cent ; on hackney-coach du-
ties,3l. 10s. Bd. per cent. ; on hawkers and pedlar,'
licenses, 4!. 17s. 3d. per cent. These were • few
instances of the increase of charges, which he had
taken out of the finance accounts laid on the
table. If there were errors, be they on the•
heads of the Gentlemen who placed them there;
they were the proper guides in such questions, sod
"it was not to be presumed that the accounts were
preptired with • view to deceive them. He defied
soy proof of error in quoting those accounts. To
•avoid alt dispute on the propriety of adopting the
periods for coinparisou, lie bad chosen 1812 foe the
.lower degree, because theu the depreciation of me.
nay was at the worst ; and mot , it was the
first yew of a new system of payment for the of-4
Seers which just then went into full effect, in which
fees were abolished, and reward for civil services use
to be conveyed by salaries and superamiustioosouly.
His third resolution would go to establish, as an infer-
once from the previous resolutions, the necessity of
having estimates laid before Parliament of the pro-
-IMble expenses of collecting in the current year,
Altogether with the other estimates. .He did not wish
to propose any general change of the bind regula-
tions, that might he an object for the tutor! deli-
betations of Parliament; all he asked 'ON, 'hat
they might have control over the expetimseetel-
lectiog as over smaller sums. Two objections might
he urged to this: Ist, the increased difficoltiee of
collecting all the branches of the revenue, out of
which might seise many smaller exigencies which
would create much more business titan ordinary.
This objection might be met with a provisioo, est-
poweriug the Treasury to engage such assistance es
emergencies might demand, taking care to lay the
accounts of such service before Parliament at the
next Sessions. The second objection which might
be urged was, that after the statement of the Right
Hostoarable Gentlemen last night, that all world
be dope in the way of reduction which it was pos-
sible to effect, these resolutions must be entirely
useless, fie thought this argument the strongest
which could be urged for his motion. It was the
constant experience of the House, that au reduc-
tions were ever seriously set about ; every abusive
job and expense was preserved until Parliament
took the matter in hind, and then, to say the least, the
economy effected was greater titan any anticipated.
He would state a few circumstances connected with
the revenue, which would serve es the strongest
reasons for the House going along with his reso-
lutions. First, as to the customs : It appeared
that in 1797 the salaries of the chief office,* were
raised 15 7001.. • year. because the revenue had
then increased from 3,700,000!., the amount iu
1788, to 6,400,000/. The rate of collecting in
1797 was 15s. per cent. The Committee of Fi-
nance in 1708 stated iu their Report, that the total
net income paid to all the officers of British cos.
toms, including establishments of 'tarty desei i pi jou,
usellin,ooo/.; out of which 25,000/. went in sine-
cures, leaving 350,000/. for the effective service.—
The revenue of 1820 was 12,200,0004 ; the salaries
were 950,0001. ; being a charge of 01. 4s. per cent.
from ISv., which was the t harge for the former period.
11, thought this demanded explanation. There were
nine Cominissiouers of Customs, who, between the
years 1784 and 1013, lied received. independently
of their salaries. 80,0001. in gratuities. iu 1706
thine C./gamin/inners received 1,900/. a year,
which. the taxes peed off, left them a net income
of about 9791. This was tht. tern m .de to Patlia•

meat, and no more was tlioeiht of the 'matter. It
turned out that these Commissioner* had received
back the whole 01'11414 tares under charges for qua-
rantine service, and in 1794. the Treasury remitted
them their taxes without room) assigned, which twee-
bee continued up to 1808. He was loath to mention
names when talking of the receipt of such enor-
mous profits; hut there was a Mr. Bruin who re-
ceived beyond his salary on the year 1802, 750/. ;
1803, 2,230/. ; 1804, 1,073/. ; 1803. 7461. 1806.
7461.; 1807, 730/.; 1808, 4,304/. lit the last
year there was a charge, besides this additional
reward for Mr. Bruin's seal sad industry. of
1,000?. for a Mr. Rowe, for doing Mr. Brom'.
duty. Did not this demand inquiry? Would the
House allow it, except they meow to abrogate their
-councils. and tell the people that they cared nothing
about the ekpenditUre of their 'smutty Another
gentleman. a Mr. Dean, besides his Wary of
1,300/. as a Commissioner of Custom+, was receiv-
ing compensation as • Commissioner of West India
Revenue Inquiry. If he did duties enough to
deserve 1,300/. a year, he could have little tune
for those of the second office. He was of opinion
that six Commissioners would do quite as well as
Moe. That was the number before the intritution
of what was called the Cannon-street Committee,
• Commission appointed of the highest persons in
the State, in 1818, to examine the customs, and
suggest alterations in the collection of that branch
of the revenue. He must say that their labours
had not always been of very happy result, or else
the Lords of thi Treasury must have shewn but
little regard for their recommendation. But in
this case the Commissioners declared that nine
Commissioners of Customs were not too many--fit
opinion which he opposed to the uttermost, and
undertook to shew how the duty might be cone,.
niently divided among six, by which means a saving
of 4,2001. of salaries might be effected. Ministers
were laudably anxious to reduce small offices, whicb
were unnecessary, why did they neglect to do
the same with high ones and with these three Cont.
missioners ? He feud an extract from one of the
Finance Committee Reports (vol. ii. page 93).
wherein the Lords of the Treasury declared their
will that no one should be admitted to the offices
of the Cissionos but such as on ezatbination before
them (the Lords of the Treasury) 'could prove that
he was well qualified for the duties. An admires
ble precept; what was the practice? With the
exception of two Commissioners, Messrs. Rich-
mond and Williams. not one of them nut of the
nine entered the office with any knowledge of the
business.—(" Hear, hear!" from the Ministeral
benches.)—Mr. Dean was a Police Magistrate;
was that a At apprenticeship for the Customs?—
The other day an officer of the army was appointee!,
a very gallant and deserving man; but his previous
habits could not have qualified him for the Cur-
torns. His brother, whose long standing must have
gives him experienet, west not to make room for biro. That
there were eoestatelly growing theses la the celleetisg de.
partisans was plain boo this, toot Comatistees of logotry
into the Remise had bees sitting is 1764, 1797. 11119, sod
1817. What would have been the use of their imioniea if
abuses had sot exited' In Scotland there were Are Com-
missioning of Customs, which ninmber ought to be reduced '
to three. He would tors to the sopereenuation
stale a few Mews respreliug allowemeles of than killelefibMll/ I
ed ender the 00th Gee. 111. cap 17. In 1817, the relisedlta4
low3sets were 61,3001.; in 1816, 71,0901. He need sot realer
what bad bees the canna in grandee allowances previously
to that Art, afier whet they heard last might; bet the whole
-0, Ike retired *Bowser's, which had swelled at last to
.11111.418111., skein the year previous to the passing of that Act
100ffigs. exclusive of lrelaed. That Act bad caused the
ItOfebing. The principle of it was, that VW sue
ac retire tom service but on account of the istirml- •
ilea' of age, and consequent incapacity, which were to rte
verified to the Commissioners by proper mealiest certificates. '
In the list of grants, comprising this sum of 86,000/., were re.
tired allowances fur fintan, tea, five, and, in come cares,
three years of service. The great majority werelliNatit the
prescribed period of twenty years, and that which was very
remarkable, the inflimities of axe, allowed none of them to
exceed the term or twenty yews. In Irlefisme of the return.
asendations oldie Fi Committer, soda the emersion,
list of retired allowances I. 1816, there bad hien no less
'than 2,700 new appoiotaleota. He stated other ob.
'fictions—to the vast amount of law riming. The
charge of 611,0001. for the Preventive Service, or, as it
was called, the Coasting Bincksde, which so far from pre-
venting the practice of 'mewling, as he knew Com et: act
observation and ioquiry, gave it iacreased facilities. Such
was the dexterity of exeeeising that cuatraband trade, if it
could be justly called so, %hie the highest bodies in the
Baste were ike greatest smugglers in it, that the smuggler
bed fused sot methods not only of running a cargo ashore
with safely, but •Isie of converting it to &beeline profit, eel
is some eases to have it eased. As to the Mat pretence, the
common method was to give false informetios of the ap•
preach of the smugglers. The revenue force was drawn off
to the pnhd described, *bite the smugglers 'ended their
goods is security in some pars which was not suspected.
lint they need nut do this; a readier and surer way of posit
was open to them Stippose a cargo of 1100 tubs of spirits
to be seised; they would contain about 2,000 gallows of
spirits; the first cost of which would be about 2261. The
reward directed to be paid for seising would Le ahout
1,2901., two-thirds of whieb went to the Beer, the color
oue-third to the informer, who might be the proprietor.
and thus w, Wel be secure to himself 4001. for twit whisk
cost bine 296/. Then there was soother lois is the sates,
for it would be found that the finer and furl...hates did out
PaY one tenth of the el:pewees of seisms. Let the Iluuse
rcfi et on the hardened vice sad shanty, sod the misesy
which were sit the while grow* up from this system.
Were the duti.s on foreign opk.iialie be leJriced from 195.t0
12s. the iodine ment tca snuggle world be almost entirely
abolished, the expenses of the preventive service wood he
diminished at least one hair, and the consurriptioo of shoot
180,000 Item which were annually rim would tie sutesti-
, toted by the mime quaatity on which the duties would be col-
lected, to say nothing of the incases of consoisiptiens by
letting dowse the stole of taxation. A real two. fit would be
derived to the revenue tqual to 9,200,0001. To
prove tb s he would only observe, that is 1811, when
the deters were Um. lid. there were 2,06E000 callous
• forepos spirits imported, sialing • deity of 1,559,0001.
The drily was raised toward. the MI of the year, aim in 1812
the member of gallons imported was 199,000, bring only
oat tenth of the year behme ; and notwithstaiiiling the la-
crease of the duty, the to:al amount souk to 180,0101: as
that here, as is many other rams, they had *early 'aimed
the revenue by ism/easing the dunes. He took that oppor-
tunity of comphwaiad of the siiange nes], et of the Orders
of the House among the officers of the departmesna.
In furnishing papers which were ordered by the Hoene.
He gave suttee that if the thing should occur again he
'retold ceriatn'y move for the pasties to be milled to muse,
fur their contempt to the bar of the Howse. tie expeiselmi
on the enormous piofits of same of the law officers can.
erected with the revenue departmenta. He pa. ticularly
pointed out lbw of the Solteher to the Excise, the priifire
of which, a. he had insert stated, Welt 40,0001 a year, '
But be they 30,0001. or 90001, they were by far toe meth.
He complained of the oppressive expeuses of Litchetesee
peewees on the simplest greened. of offence. A slag, is we
611,1•11r*, had offered to pay 1301. rather their go so trial ,
with them for 2(101. sad was afterwaede acquitted. lie
egotism/eel by moving the fullowlog

14 Relolverl, That it appears that the 900 of
fi1te4,11451. 176. 111. *as applied is tie year coding the

5111 of 'attary, 1621, under the iwiri of dories el Ms.

,• _ _
omgruneut, to defrnic the egpenees of collememg and UM-
NMIIV the sum of 811.811ptibel., Ow gross ordnance Revenue
of the Visited Kingdom, betiog at the rate of 01.10 e. per
Brat
" That the ander-vorntinned brenehes of the Revenue.
were rollected is she year. 1812 and 1820, at the following
Isles :

CUSTOM,. !Ores.* el nee
Gross Profiteer. Rate per emit. 1814.
1812 .... Z 111.0434170.... 17 17 7....t0 0 0
11120 12,206,114.... 8 19 0 1 1 5
• EXCISE•
• 1912 19,476.949 3 17 4 0 0 0
• 1920 .......29,342,898 3 111 1. n ...0 0 9
LAND AND ASSESSED TAXES.
1912 ....... 7.444,791 3 19 4 0 0 0
19110
POST.OFFICE
1812 1,910,761 42 10 11 6 0 0
1940 ....... 1,894,631 25 3 2 2 12
ONE SHILLING ON THE POUND PENSIONS
D SALARIES.
1911 .. 19,313 1 12 0......0 0 0
1810
SIX SHILLINGS ON DITTO.
ISIS ..... 17,081 ll5 4 0 0 0
1890
HACKNEY COACHER.
1812 27 809 12 1 II 0 0 0
1920 ... 26 374 15 11 7 3 10 S
HAWKERS AND PEDLARS.
1112
1820
" That,ou comparing the retest which the several breselms •
of the ue aborc.inentionel were collected is the year.
1812 and 1820, it appears, that although they have greatly
increased, yet the elfarge of collective was greater ii 1820
dims in 1812, 14 per rest.
" That although it is the duty of this Howse, as the rem-
sentatives of the people, to superintend sad control every
branch of the public expenditure, yet it appears that the
large sums which have been annually expended to defray the I
charge of collecting sod nosnagieg the reveuee, knee been
disbeitsed without any set-oust being gives ef the manner is
which they have beta applied.
" That to enable obi. Honor to exercise a proper control
over the public expenditure, it is It that estimates of the
probable doom of conciliar sod managing the ... be
Ily submitted to the couaideratlua of Parliament, mid
a vole takes thereupon."
Mr. LUSH INGTON said, that the gallant ofSeer bed
grossly deceived himself in quoting the ots. He had
abstracted the permanent and tramitury . es of the
year 181.1. and only the permsoeut ;eves's,* of the year
1814, and had funned his conelesious altogether erromostely.
He would have to add upwards of 3.000,000/. to the Cosmoses
of 1819, and upwards of 5,00,0001. to the Excise, of dutws
which were of more expensive collection than those which
he had taken, sad then he *veld learn with artimistasent,
that the rate of collecting for 1812 was 51.9.. 9d., per c. at.;
for 1840 U. 116.4 d. a differesee of only use.twelfth of U.
per teat. He went into a review of the statement of the
gannet Heather, and corrected the errors tato which be
gemmed to hare fallen. He thouebt that this would be con-
sidered a very in/mg lucerne of charge, when the high
templathoss to smuggling, from the very heavy ditties re.
geared to keep up the revenue were coosidesed. 8. far bed
their efforts bees successful, that a eisesiderable Mamie of
duties had taken place on foreign spirits sad tea in the last
year. There was no increase oa tobacco lead morlf,
bet it must be satisfactory to home that those doilis
still kept up to their former pitch. Their seams would
not have bees see complete, hat foe the persevering vizi.
lance. integrity, and spirit of the persons engaged la that
collecting and (preventive services, to whom too snitch
praise could not be given. As to the eouiplaist of the
gallant Member, of As neglect of the departmesta is pee.
&brie( accounts which were ordered, he world answer for
that Government and all the °Seers world di, whatever
they could to comply with the orders of the House. But
they could hardly yet have deserved the reproach swat
es them by the threat of the gallant Member, to Wag them
to theater of the Hose. Such had bees the deemed for pa.
pens by the Member., to aid their views of public mrcauree
(very proper ones fee thens to entertain, p.rhapp), that the
duties of triflit of the departments were effectually isterrapt.
ed, sad the clerks had been engaged night and day is pre.
paring the various documents. He would towel to the
!tallest Member so to dimel his motion to future, that Go-
vernment might not have, an in that fur the law exposes of
collecting the reveune, set forth under different heads, to
seed to all the out.ports before the return could be com-
pleted. He stated some particular papers, In preparing
which the Owosso office* bad been in constant labour al-
most night -sod day, and yet it would be some weeks before
they could be procured. Is regard to the pay of the Solici-
tor to the Exeter, instead of 40.000/. or 30,1401. or 20,0001.
it was 9,0001. which was divided between two permits, and
gave each a net income of 4,5011. Considering the extent
and difficult nature of the duty, that could mot be cond.
dered as too mach pay. The emoluments, however, of
that office were among those which were to be referred, by
the moons of hit Right Hun. Friend, fur consideratiou as
to the pinpriety of irduciug them. The expeose of the
preventive service, instead of 611,0001. was only 520,0001. a
sum of so extravagance, considering the dielewlt nature
of the service, and the necessity of effectually preventing
the spoltatioo of tie high duties required to keep the reve-
nue. As to the siumbe: of places in the Where, that sub-
ject was under the considriation of the Conimisetuners, and
all the unnecessary one' *mild be •bolialud. He piked
the labours of the Commissioners, who had made twelve of
the ablest reports on the records of Parliammit, and neter
wet, soy sagg.stius:s of the same authority more imphewly
übeerved by flioistt'r•. Another Cuinnitssiou bad berg ap-
pointed since for Leland, and it was in contemplatios
to extend their labours to other parts of the kingdom.
To the Drat resolution he ftet nu objection; to the second
Ise must object altogether, ou account of the messy manifest
errors iu it. In the third Mete ought at ;coat to he en
•mentlaseut introduced, to alter the differeuce of rate Mere
stated to of 11. per cent. If the Honourable eel
tiellent Member woolJ only look over some of the large
books which were prepared for him end the House, he
would Cod mom of one infoimatiou he had called fur t• the
pas em lie bed moved for. He asked how it wee possible ler
tioverewieet in formals estimates of the expenses' trforl.
would be wasited for collecting the rrvruue, whim the
mamma of it nomt depend on the slate of trade and the va-
riations of the seamus . The e we. one motion to which Go.
'mimeo* would not object : if it were out done by say of
she Geutienteu opp ante, G.....meet would ceriamly saki.
the subject iutu th. it own hands he meant the dreamt.; some
plan for reducing the emissions and muitifariou• ',comets
to some system of more simplicity. F.rim the leveret con.
(lotion of them it was a common rang fur motions to be made
fee papers which weds already gee the table. H• concluded
by moriug the previous cseitiou.
Mr. FIUME was surprised that the Hun. Member sheetd
move the previous goestiaiti oo a Resolution to which he said
he had sin objection.
Mr. LUSHINGTON said arross the table, that If the
Hoe. Member would look at the cubism of extremities,/
sources of reveour, he would find a mins of 3,000,0001.
which ought to have been included is the statement of the
gallant MSc, r.
Mr. HUME said, what hi. gallant Friend comp:aimed of
in hiamotement was this, that the tale per real. for the col-
lection of the Commits on Si,, gross produce, •misurated is
the year 1811, to 71. 17e. 7d., sad io the lest year to el. 116.,
beteg so Motive of 11. Is 6J. per reel.; and to the gross
produce of the Excise (boors, in ILO gunner year it was
3/. 170. 4.1. sod the latter 3/. lbs. Id. beteg au Ma'am of
Moe-pence per Cent.
Mr. LUSIIINGTON said, if the Hon. Member would
go on to the end of the column, he would bud a note Is
which it was posted that the rate of per reni.ge was cake-
hated on the whole mown of bird. the pm mamma and ex-
traordinary se tultellser.
Mr. Hl/ME then proceeded to read the staiemeats from
the paler of his gallant Frieutl, u.. 1 compile 110114 wink

lest
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cue nielsone ous.sir
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lima. in the Terrier, Worn, *bids held la tali
but
gslls•t Frirod way right and the H 416. 'Seer; 56,161
Perleve it world be said that be was reeding froartheavrtar
ist
Uoi
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hiud
111111111kals ai 4
Mr. LUSH I NGTON lookiseg over it to point to the not
in that paper —(lleBi9
Mr. HUME said, that was featly itio math. After ha
his gallant Friend to took at the dote to a eertain i'nt6;
matement, era the Honoorable Secretary lookiep art a
par r himself, a appeared that so such awe wise the
be
' found. He tboatt,eht the How. Secretary would du
/0211.1. by candidly scknoveledging that he hail hi tanfi.:„N
attempting to coy-eft hio genie' Friend, mode a littl el
He thought that even if his gallant Famed had been ave. 'a
ithnhaevheimsb;asatkamNaskfteillre:i:!;porwaliiiiisegethofh":bmiheseemd. os":"Siorened.heiToWh!:"Hrissigillaat'."a...,,,o-5.-1 I correct
sad they were nut 'lee to forme an estimate of the e yl
•of the culleceios wed ensnarement of the rte.-aura witch
meet vary accordingly as she latter increased or dimise•Ma.
Ben the Hon. Secretes y very well knew that the charges whirls
they prioripally wished to look at was that of the establok.
meats, compared with which the vaelable charge beast mow,
for the eseployaleat of as additioesl number of e-y
ihoee deeeripisness which received the lowest mlyiee, WWI
light and trifling. H. could not shook the objects* had
sky weight in it ; for if it were good at all, it *ogle equally
well apply egionst the produttion of all the easimss,, •hie 6
were !treacly laid before the House. A. to she ;pew,
which she Hue. Secretary had read them about the'
gyms Id the Treasury sad other department,, he would 44,
how much of that 'ts eld. was owing to theme Ives? TlbeWs.
G-settersan said, that paper. acre often called fee whirls he
Yield rove were already he toe she Hoare hat wine doh,
did he n 551 poiot not that Get is, the La illation *hes arch
papers were applied far, by which the tru.,ble of a wad
time inalung thee. out would he avoided, and MINA live
saved! Who W 32 1.1 blame, his lion. Fri-std who, hetet tu
want of information to a particular point, siseoid is the
How. Member ass servant of the papee• shit* hr iesitO, is
order to obtain that inform/Mom; and afterwards moved lair
them ; or the HUM. Secretary who knoemag elms the Mind
information was contained in papers alre.dy before the
Hosea, refeeeed en ti II him so, or to let ibis know •he.e ha
might Sad it Bet In poem of fact the idea of such a gram
of isouble and confusion a. the Hon. Sees-airy had 4.
scribed, was aloagesher Mowry. On the Bth February, the
Houle ordered • retitle of the establishment. in the mom.
of the Customs at the oat-ports, chewing the number of
perenne employed is each class, which morn led set el
been made. Now he (Mr. Hoene) held in his hand a last
chub was made up sad sent to the Theneery quarter,
in which were contained all the detaile, to make a
lois of which the Numerable Secretary bid told aim
would raise • confusion in all she establishm, see ihoonise,,t
the envoy), ; sad be ()Ir. Hume) would posh make hosed(
to extract from it la two hours all she parolee's's of the
rehire which he had alluded to. Surely, then, ism chit is
any of the offices at the Treasury might be expected ado it
in two days. The estimates which bus /admit Fitted had
moved Ilse ought to be reduced, in eider that the Hoene
might have ass opportusity of eheekten soy approach is
irregularity or extydragesee is she charge. If those felt.
matee bad ansaally been laid beforeche Husae,• cheek wail
have been ploy-don the increase of the change for anemias,
le Scotland, for instance, the chair few retleetiag the tales
WM, amounted to 17,0001.; sad in Inn to 311,1111. Did
eV man think that such in ioesesse wool I bay gat
Maffiestiosseet and usaccountert for, if site estimates loaf
Ames every year laid oil the tab:e? Attie, if the Helde as
lanced to the chrnrge of collectius, sad the grow anavet
(the Customs in Great Britain in ISO sad 1841, they maid be
tarp, iced to lad, that in 1807 the 'apnea of optimise ea
10,000,0004. was 606,6034 ; aid that in the year mediae
6th January, 1821, the roes *moral of the Castellie cm
9,337,0001, aid the expense of cube...doe 1,097,0001, being
as iscreased charge of 400.0004. for colectsug a seat
seam Was three a. indieridoal in the Humes •bo Amiga
that if they had had before them as estimate 045054 soda
an increase, it would not have been inquired how that esti-
mate had bees. made? Tho House would be sarrised,
Pedlar,. 10 Sod, from a paper ',hob was bid ea the tOh
last year, what was the iscrease which bad lake* place is
the salaries of the higher appointments ow all the eschliels
mesa essireeted with the reveoue say 1791. Is the Board
of Tax". the salary of the GM Coinsais.ionet, la 17'0,
was 9001, in int. 1,6001.; that of thew rued Comma nailer,
is 1793, was 500/, sad sow it was 1,0001.; and that H the
third Conywriuser was oleo raised so 1,00.11, from 6104;
and so on in proportion were the salaries of the other peons
in that depollutes' augmented The brat Cososaissioner 5.4
the Custom*, is 1793, had a eatery of 1,41001., fie nu. re
setved 9,00014 the 'Deputy Chairman in 17113 raciest
6001. a year, bit salary was sow 1,0001.; dairyman foe.
stern had a salary of 7601., he now received 1,7011.; the
chief clerk tall others had bees i e d in a like ir sportioa.
le the Excise these were sloe Commissioners at 1,4001.
year eat h, exclusive of 600 f more to each of the Charism
la the Toessary, Stamp office, and any other dermas.
connected with the remote-, similar regulations had bees
made. These things aeeuunsdd is a great measure we the
isercased charge of the cone-thou and masi•gentent olds
re; sad they wore now sold that all that mild be
done in compliance with the dealte of the Huai. et the
close of last Session, to approxdnete towards the wales(
1792, was by a reduction so the amount of 10 per Yoh la
the Cosioms In Scotland, their were lee Comaniatessela
the Gist of whom, Mr. Berl, whom he believed to be a "Wl-
terious and efficient officer, received 1,6001. • year. Ms
Commissioners beside the ire, as far as he wax isforwed,
were all that we, necessary; and the other rims of OW
establishment also might be greatly reduced At
Glasgow, Greenock, and Leith, the romblishmeets are
much too extravagant, lb. charge belag 12,0001. s.yesr
fur each port. The Honourable Secretary had stated the
cheer for the preventive service at upward. of 600,0004;
he would ask whether that oust included the 60.0001. width
wee to be voted in the "levy estimates fur that service! If
It was included, the mentioeing of the won twste over is
two different sett of estimates only tended to confuse tie
statement; and if it wee not included, it should at least be
horse in mind as en additisin to the charge. He Owe& It
• questa,. worthy the serious attention of °overrates, •Ni.
with?
?eh::
eltendblishmeat
ffesacileb.liinyoptobleaatituror itters.d.mireg.
t. but • trifling abatement of the high and extraeagent dunes
would remove the ',monition. ir 1,000,0001. of
Bien t up fur that purpose, the immediate diminution,
fv"ic
01.
-revenue would, lo fact. amount to no more thoi
insomuch as they would save 600,0001. by the 5.5 hi. co.
the preventive service. Wish pried to th. him kJ, ,
• he b
to tahheo uolfsd
etengfeLadpsbn•
edk mow. oust
was
at
et III.;
=apposed that a ovilicima somber of offieris might a 1.
• for the purpose, who would be contented with the reme.
ml.
from half so fell pay; bat if be had been rirlifle
they drew their half pay, sad receiveJ herd's aryl, do e
the amount of fall pay. The colonial eolablishments •(
tit
Customs were also most extravagantly conducted. He fol.'
I euisitslB:irs tarieretardsi. of v tOOO
edeidustaire:
year, aid afire received asscreelleca
service came home, and were sinersanuated or a Pt*:
siun of 6001. • year. There was gee, a collector Iris'
SC Lucia, be believed, who had a peasion of 50.r._ a
year; fur what was it supposed? becamee he hall
collector 111 Z years, at • eatery of 4,0001. • ref; 11%
every owe who kuew any thing of she colossi",
fmeethrsea;nial
a. that
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collector at a place called Seedy Point;" the Hoseuribia
Member was taut Certeisa in what Wood The 17'r
sispranasation and increase of a..laries was one wait!.
whatever vessel the Noble Marquis might be plreW:,:',
make on the low or high tone of his obscrvatioas, as °"_
list night, ought to be pat an cad to. It *as aliort_itkopr
capessive, aid so liable to abuse, dal be thought dal B "