The British Press; or, Morning Literary Advertiser.
London, England, 1808-02-16 00:00:00

thit he had mentioned, the other day, in'coale-
quence of a representation made to him, that it was
not hi. intention to loring in the Bill upon that sub-
ject in its pigment shape, but iu an amended state,
SO as to obviate every olicetion to it. At what par-
ticular tone ha should be able tti bring it forward,
it was not yet iu his power to state to the House.—
lio could assure the lion. Gentlensao, that no un-
necessary delay would be occasioned, so that he
might postpone his intention of making a motion
upou the subject.

ORDERS OF couscil.
Mr. Ports*Nay rose, and again questioned the
Right Ilon. Secretary opposite, us to whether he
raeaut to lay upon the 'ruble the 'hirer.. he had
formerly called fur, previous to the second reading
of the Bill upou the Orders of Council ?
Mr. CANNING answered, he understood the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would have no ob-
jection to postpone the seroud reading of the Bill
alluded to for three or four days, us the psocrs
sought for related more particularly to our ►elations,
with America than to any other country, sail there-
fore the 'louse should have time to consider them,
Previous to the discussion.

The CIIANCULT.OII of the EXCHEQVPIt stated,
that it had been his duty to (*elicit information as
far as possible us to the nature of the papers al-
luded to, in order to ascertain whether or not they
were absolutely necessary to the discussion of the
Bill in question % I bt mold now assure the !louse,
that they were not really necessary tin that purpose.
He felt great anxiety to get the Bill read a second
time, M order that the public might be apprised
of ie real nature of the Measure intended to be
adopted upon these orders. There had been un
opinion expressed the other day, that the subject of
the negociation with America was naturally con-
nected with that of the Orders of Council ;
in his opinion, it was extremely desiroble, if possible,
to prevent any diseuslion whatever as to that. ne-
eociation in the present state of utfairs between
the two countries. 11 e, theretiwe, could see no
reason fur postponing ~the second reading of the
Bill beyond to-morrow the day originally fixed.
Mr. TIERNTY thought there were various. rea-
sons why the second reading of the Bill should be
postponed until the Papers relative to the Nego-
ciations with America, should be before the House.
Every one of the neutral ships that now came into
this country, were obliged to give hood in a man-
ner not sanctioned by Parliament. Ile could we
no injury likely to arise from the pouponement of
the measure now suggested by Ministers, so far as.
related to America, the more especially as they
had thought proper to postpone the meeting of
Parliament from the 11th of November, to the
41st of Avery.. He could assure the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman, that there was no wish on his
side of the House to produce delay, tnercly for the
purpose of bringing up fiends, They (the Oppo-
sition) only wished that the matter might be tho-
roughly understood, and not to occasion the House
unnecessary trouble. Ile should, therefore, sug-
gest the propriety. of postponiug the second reading
of the Bill to Thursday next.

The t:IIANCSLLOII of the Eecueousa added,
that it was his duty to look to the public interest,
and he could not help thinking that it would be
attended with great inconvenience. were the Bill to
be further delayed. lie would rather meet the
conseipiences of the debate than the delay. He
should therefore persist is moving the second read-
ing to-morrow„when it might be open to any gen-
tleman to move the postponement.
Mr. l'oneosatt said, that it was only within these
ten minutes that any person had got possession of
the Bill, and it was therefor... perfectly novel to
move a discussion of such a Bill the very next
day.
The CIIANtELLOII of the EZCIIEQUEIt observed,
that the principle of the Bill had been *trendy dn.'
cussed in a former stage of the proceedings,
Sir ARTHUR PIGOTT thought it would be more
convenient to discuss the propriety of postpone-
ment this day than to-mon-ow. The Right Hon.
Gentleman had not condescended to tell the. House
of any one incosvenienre that would attend its
postponement to Thursday. Stilly did he (the
Chatictllor of the Exchequer) agree to the laying
of these pipers before the House, if they were not
necessary to the reading of the Bill in question,
when that was the very object for which they were
moved ? Could that Right lion. Heathenism really
suppose that any of the Members of the House
could be wishing to delay the pmgress of that Bill,
from any other motive than that of getting possession
of all necessary information before they discussed a
bill so extremely novel and so very important? It
was a measure which went to introduce a new code
of Maritime Laws. a new mode of Legislation in
`this country, whirl, affected the tribunal of all other
nations, and therefore lie at least hoped, that Right
Honourable Gentleman woad r lesceild to ac-
knowledge it was not unreasonable in the House
.s•orjnesting to be previously possessed of all necessary
infiwinntion previous to the discussion of it.
• Mr. Rose did not see that the papers in ques-
tion were at all necessary to the discussion, as they
did nut at all apply to it. However unusual it was
to discuss a Bill the next day after it was printed,
yet it was not irregular in this ease, as the principle
of the measure had already been discussed upon
the resolutions whirls had passed the Committee of
Ways mid Means.
• The SPEAKI:a observed, that be did not conceive t
there was as yet any question before the I louse.
Mr. Wficrasesb said, he should istov,• the post- "Pk
poaeusent of the second reading to l'hursduy next, it sal
as he thought it might admit of an exception as to - "loon
any previous notice tieing necessary, the more so, he I'l6°
U 5 eertaia new provisions were to he introduced in- EinPire,
to the Bill. lie should, indeed, rather suggest the en. 'tt'ani '-
withdrawing of the present Bill, and iutreducing a I"tical tow*
new one as tunewled. It was a question which ins- hrtr,
terially involved the fate of this country as to a war bee rent aft
with America: It was, therefore, indisiumsahly ne- that Expeditio,
cautery to be acquainted with all the pupers, be- mere tell in the
fore they entered upon such a momentous iitiew. gard to the mot
thin, the more especially, when he believed these apparently unprov.
Orders were so little understood by those who is- ['edition. to soothe
Tad
sued them, that they were nut able to an the been attended wi
questions put to them by the merchants who felt ern sifted to the hot,
themselves interested in thesis. .11e, therefore, lied fat..!lntket.Parik
should Move, ° That the order of the day for the '1 isittied-- bar!'
second rending of the Bill in yµestiuu tO-41)0,11./. eseflieter ee,ei
be Mid fee the purpowi of being discharged.," an* sotaviromi
Mr. lingua said, he certainly dill rug *ad tre,
r
410111., •

stand that the principle or policy of the measure
had yet beau discussed.
The CUAN CELLfill of the EXCHIEQUER said, that
whatever objection existed to the policy of the
measure, it was us necessary to have been discussed
upon the former .proceedings upon these Orders as
it could be upon the second reading of the' Bill.—
Although the Gentlemen upon the other side of
the House did not then choose to argue upon the
policy of it, yet they could not say Litt that it was
open to them to do so. It was totally inconsistent
with the rules of the House to make such a mo-
tion withnut notice, the more especially when the
second reading had been so long under expectation.
They might, with as much propriety, move the
postponement of it for six weeks, or six months.
The papers wished for would he very voluminous,
and could not probably be produced iii time even
for a discussion on "l'hursday, so that, upon the
same footing, they would Lc wishing a postpone-
ment to a still later day. If, however, they thought
Thursday would be more convenient than Tuesday,
lie should not persist iu opposing it ; but beyond
that day lie thought it would prove most incon-
venient and detrimental to the whole trade of the
country.
Lord Haters Pe Try said, he could recall to the
r.vollection of the Hight Hon. Gentlemau, that
the question was, upon the former occasion, to which
lie had alluded, entirely confined to the legality of
the measure. He (the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer) when he first laid the Orders of Council
upon the table, stated, that he should labour under
a disadvantage; should the polici of one of the
Orders be discussed in the 4ominittee, and
others not, bet that there Ovoid be a facility after-
wards atiliriltal to the House to argue the policy of
the whole of the Orders of Council together. He,

(the Clianeellor of the Exchequer) hit's/ever, soon
afterwarls changed his object, alld dhow to enter
at considerable length spoil the policy of them ;
but from what he had previously stated, it wvs not
entered upon minutely, whatever might be the
dispo,ition of the House to do so. Upon these
grounds, he thought itwould be most prudent not
to fix any day fur the second reading, until the
whole of the documents were completely before
them, and fully considered.
Mr. CANNING said, he thought this was an at-
tempt to take the House by surprise, arid if such a
plan was followed, there would be henceforward no
security for any order fixed fur a particular day
being attended to.
Mr. SHERIDAN said, that this was by no means a
new proceeding; it was, on the contrary, as old as
the old nmmlity of the Right Honourable Gentle-
men opposite, by which they proposed that the
country• should get rid of all its old proceedings.
If the papers were not necessary to the forth-
coming discussion, why did they grant them ?
If they were necessary, why not give them time
to consider them ? He should approve of post-
polling the second reading of the Bill till the
House were completely acquainted with all the
necessary documents mid information.
Upon the question for discharging the said order
of the dry, the house divided—
For the mead Trading to-morrow
Foe &Kim ring it

Majority iii favour of 'crow! reading 37
Upon our re.adinission, we still found the House
disci/suing the original question. as to the propriety
of postponement. on account of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer having previously agreed to the
short postponeineet at first proposed. from which
concession he deemed himself abiolved by the divi-
sion which had taken place.
The SPEAKER observed, that he could hear no-
thing further in the shape of debate upon the same
question, which had been thus put at rest by the
sense of the House being taken ; ?won which
Earl Timms moved, •• That the [louse do ad-
journ."
Mr. PONSOMMT said, that as it was not in his
power to oblige the Right Hon. Gentleman to
agree to what was origiuZly suggested, he should,
therefore, then give notice of his inteetion to move,
to-morrow, for the uecessory postponement of the
second reading.
After some further conversation, the CRANCEI.
I.OR of the EXCW:QUEL having prevailed upon the
Home to acquiesce in the conditions upon which
he had first consented to a temporary postpmie-
meot, renewed that concession, so that the second
reading of the Bill stands fixed positively fur Thurs-
day next.
Earl TEMPLE then withdrew his motion of ad-
journment, which was again put from the Chair,
and the House then proceeded to other business.
EXPEDITION TO CONSTANTINOPLE.
Mr. TAYLOR Me. in pursuance of a former no-
tice, to move for informutiou, npoa what principles
the Goveimeent of this country Inwl proceeded to
invade the Turkish Empire, with which Power we
were in perfect amity ? and as to what circumstances
had intervened to prevent the effectual execution
of the plan which had been so suggested? These
points, he trusted, acre sufficiently important to at-
tract the attention of the Houses the more -
ctally they found that Expedition wrapt up
in mystery. Ile did seriously hope, that when d we
ed thus to make war with a country that
z rezup to us as friends and protectors, some
emninunication could be made to the House as to
the cease of such a sudden ruptiare. When be
first gave this notice, lie felt considerable diffidence
upon the subject, having only communicated upon
it with one or two ,Nleurbers of the House. His
reasons for walertaking such a task were, that
he had been for a short time in the Turkish
Empire, and had observed the manners and
customs of the people, and their friendly dispo-
sition towards this country. With this buoys-
ledge, when he beard of die Expedition that had
been sent against them, and the bad success of
that Expedition, he found himself the more and
mere left in the dark, as well as the public, in re-
pird to the motives which had produced such an
apparently unprovoked attack. Another late Ex-
pedition, to another quarter of the world, which
had been attended with more success, • tad already
been sifted to the bottom, and every information
called for, asulyet Parliament seated to he passing
over 41101! bow equally terKlitig to tarnish
out chilfaelftr 11••• Ittlisiu mil to call in question
tine segigitg.itad'peeroess of spud emir and navy
The sokr sad ofq thilli4areitt.* writ as Usk puLl:, .