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Dill, beeause, from particular eireusastancer, it was lot at
once adapted to their present views of their own immediate
intereate, liken by the inhabitants of suck places in general.
He believed there was no town in Flighted where the poor
were hitter managed, and the principle of his Dill better on-
drreined than in Manchester. The feeliesg there was certaialy
erase against the donee rreacting the law of removal, bet,
taken inn general view, the measure was looked upon in a fa-
vourable light. The diferea et ofopiaionwhieb bad been advert-
ed to. 'right be traced to therlifeeener la Hoe appraisals of die
Pool Laws in manufacturing nod agricultural count ire. All he
could my was, that the evil was great and required a remedy.
The Howes might give the preference to any usher—he cads.
have am objedisa—but it would be found impressible to do
without souse rensedy.
Mr. MAXWELL mid, that 'in his part of the roman/
they were driug.4 with pule Irish, who were attracted thi.
ItTe by the 'inaissefeetorev, the expels, of maintaining whom
entirely entreated Haire resemarees. If the poor laws were to
undone aandolicatioss, sad they were prevented from eroding
the paupers Mme mtains that ought at tenet same guarantee
to be demanded of the manufacturers to support the poor
wisdom they should straw together out of their eimensous.
profits, and they should sot he allowed to eneember the sue.
rounding weightteorlitio.l will, llwir sapaist, when they these:
selves weer unable to suppers them.
Sir. CALCRA Fr said. that there were two sets of corm.
poodeits, as it appeared, apple the *abject. He-had him.
wolf a voluminous carrespousleare with premiss le all parts
of the country, and the amend was of it-was direct amid
zealous opposition to the tun.
• Sir R. WILSON thought lino his conduct was justified by
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• • every thing which bed been time. ed in objeet inn to it. He coo-
. si.leresl it to he 64 dirty, knowing the feeliuge of the Howse
upso this subject, cad b 4.11,% e.,usciose of its expeiditiooary
power% to du all he could I. awaken public attest:too to It.
la croft I. his Hue. sod L-teriseil r,iensre objection's to ins.
p. whist,. enerriaems, it vris hi be recollected that the. pear
• sure Del represented hi that Hesse—that they could not
edteol the political circumstances of the essuertry—thatlhey
*night marry with the are on their minds that their in-
dustry woolsl enable tlwm to ossiatain a family, end isi a
few years the affairs of the coup, y might reduce them, with-
out any &peril sat their parts, to the condition of pan.
pace. The jwinen• Rill was peculiarly ohjectionsble, as It
went to repeal the laws fur the relief of the poor, while it was
In lease nil the Vagrant Inws in fall force, and subject
glare to all the existing punishments of shiftimit /nisi place
to plate when no limier able to maintain themselves by
labour in their trap-cher parishes.
• Sir J. N Ewrour euniplsinetl of the etleut to which the
dist-unlit-mut in.vatattpu el' the minuet weight. *hull were in n*
way before the Howse, had densely g..ne. If the Writ:bees

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could mot 'violate their proceedings by 'eloper and judg-
ment Wilhite thellouse, how couirhthey expert to be judged
eurreeily oot of it
Mr. DAVENPORT lesseatevi that so touch time !old been
.emit in she iliseinsion,of one Petition essomeereo wing a soh.
j.et of deep sod extessire• interest, which alight Nut to he
tresie4 sir 11 gilt.
Mr. HUMS woodered how Hos. Members, declaring the
extreme importasee and great wiagoitude as subject, could
begs ridge as hour or two fur the dime-aims of it. He mold
rosceire sothine more imeressisteut thee the objectioass which
bed beat surd to the coodeet of his Hag. and gallant
Triad.
The Maressis of LONDONDERRY said, that umbort.trilly
it most be werful to disraas a riseamire of ouch intro tame,.
but the siseforloess most depend is a iceal
Suisresirooe ef the oi.purtenity pelt etc,. fur the purpose.
elr. GURNEY said. that as to the 'Bilk it hail his entire
and it orwirigted alishorresee, end he Honked his gallant sod
flu. Edema for rockier the public solemnise is It ; for if it
should pass, it woald lo Lis °plosion be as set irf ibe most
flagrant indignity.
Mr. SCAR LETT mid, that fit/ 'stoke tristiW foree sties.
elan of itself at the proper period for discossiog it, without
u.,y 'Merle of galtast nod zealous Frisside to oppose it per.
diatorely. His Hue. and gantlet Felted heti bass labouring
ulster as error with respect to the Rill from which he (Me.
Scariest) would sot row coed's:mid Is release hiss, se he
oneht tri have made himself better acquainted with the sob•
js•et before saying so reach os it.
Mr. NONCE gligioght that the subject amid sever he ere-
trimly or too mach discussed. If his flea. sad Learned,
friend, sod throw who supported the Rill were imudows to do
justice, let them begin at the riot end. The way to do jos.
lice was not to take sway relief from the peon but removes
the hoidens which oppressed them. Let the Coro Sill be
repealed, and the taxes remitted from the meet pecesearies of
life, espleielly that as beer—let the laboorer hove hie wages
to speed us ItimerW and family, pad the poor rates would
ate • seteral sod geoid death.
Mr. P. PALMER said, that before the Bill peaked into a
low thee ought to be another passed to relic the weekly
"ages df •griesittoral labour. He would shear, erlietsegrer the
lime should row, that those wages sever had bees high
cootie' to maistais, taking the year round, a labourer, his
sire, and three Address, that being about the Numerical pro.
portion of the labouring popolatiou.
Sir J. S ERR !GAT admitted that the wagesof agricultural
!Argue bad never bees high istroggle, which eireutssisees he
ettriloned to the existence of the Poor Law.. Lithesome
looked forward to the libeller of the puor.busse as to as
code entailed apes them.
The Petition was ordered to be penned.
Dr. PHI LLI SIVA F. presented a Petition from the Go.
rumors of the Optillealinie Hospital nod the Eye ledneary
it•iuet grunting soy eosspeesatuun to the services of Sir W.
Adams —Loss! OM tie Sable.
Lord W. BENTINCE renewed big satire respectiog the
off.oss of Sicily for Thursday seta,
'The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that
she Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Com.
roper of Ways and Meal.. be now read.
Mr Serjeint ONSLOW moved an amendment for the Or.
d-r of the Day fur the accord feedlot of the Usury Laws
Amendmeat Bill be sow read.
A roaressatios took place thereupon, is whit h the Mar.
guts of Loadooderry, Mr. Davenous t, Sir K. Hereto, Mi. G.
&genets, Mr. Abereromby, and Mr. J. P. Grout, took part,
sod which ended in the Hoe. and Learned Geollesias with-
drawing his amendment, and substituting use fur the seseod
reading of his Bill this day three months.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER trod Mr.
DAVENPORT retested the Hun. and Lraraed Member/
thanks fur bus romplomtee.
Mr. CA LCRA PT begged leave to add his thasks bleak is
it was the express motion be was about to snake. He re-
commended she Hum. and Leaned Member to do the subs•
sluing recut year, if the Rill should meet with the like isapedi-
onerst• to Stove which it had suffered.
Mr. tterjearst ONSLOW assured the Hos. Member that.
hr would bring forward the subject next year.
The amendment was age. rd to.
WAYS ANL) MEANS. -
The SPE +Era put the question that the Repo*
of the Cointniztee be now brought up.
Lord A. HAMILTON
took that opportunity of
emilptosoing of on Act for regulating the Excise
nutirs on beer, which had been passed last Session,
which went to annihilate the brewing trade of Scot.
land by the 'severe restraints which it imposed.
The CUATICELLOR of the EXCHEQUER justified
the Act, sod said that al any rate its operstoon could
not be finely judged of until it had been in exist-
ence a whole year.
Mr. filAzwaLL and Mr. J. P. ORAwI said a
few words each.

Mr. bllastatir complained of the Wars and
Meaner being proposed before the Howe had got
through the rants of the Supplies. The effect
of this was to lead the House into grants which ex-
ceeded Ibe Estimates kid on the tuhle. 'this was
the cm* with the Estimates of last year. There
were 30,000.000 f. granted on the credit of Ways and
Means. which did tint rise up beyond 29,000,0001.
iJ' at•ta+l rase•. Si oileit irregularity had crept
:,4* the Soppli.► by themsel►es. The House
gi 9,000 OWL coo reined in the E►titniter) out
sr) the watual wars, r it rests the serrr3l items

istre*lje in the
a surplus
could be
the vote was
way for Mere-
, from being
, as they weue
agreed to, and cast them up afterwards. He com-
plained also of the excessive credit which the Chan-
cellar took for the various parts alit, Budge,. In
the 1,500,00 W. of tea duties, as he valued them, it
wee
,eeetain that they would not prodn..e much
more than 500.000/. The Budget seeretel to be
framed ou regime to mislead the thins?, acid they
ought Dot to suffer it to be brought furwArd till all
the Supplies should be granted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
the. if the Hun. Gentleman looked back, he would
Ihnlemo difference like that which he detscribeel be-
gams the credit taken in the Budget "and the
gginol receipts. The House had Hetet Veen able
le get through the Supplies before the presentation
of the Budget ; still Mw could that be expected in
a Stirlen 'where the Supplies were so discussed, that
. theresese even now in a state of great beckward-
tiers. As to the difference in the charge on
the..stnintal taxes, it was to be accounted fa r
Ar the expenses of the disembodied militia,
,ovhfeh were always hitherto charged on the laud
!tax, though the present was by far the more re-
Oar course. There must be a surplus allow-
isel on the Supplies, as there were ninny services
'voted by pasticular Acts of Parliament which were
not 'lncluded in the Supplies. The annual taxes
had not fallen short, as was assumed by the Hon.
Zapber, for there hid been a million taken credit
mare silicon them last year than the year before.
They were formerly valued at four millions: they
had -produced five millions. He lied the greatest
tOtifistence in the staiesneut of the resources which
sit /he honour to submit titi Friday lust.
MAIDERLY explained.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought that the balances
Wight Reiss: demanded from the Irish collectors, ur
their securities ought to be called upon.
The. Report was then brought tir

ilO.
On the question Shut the Report be rend—
Mr. J. P. GRANT took occasion to remark. that
the 300,0001. al'uded to by the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, was occasioned by the disembodied
militia, and is *humid have been so specified in the
estimates. They heard abundance of assertion
every year of u great !Kelton of the debt being paid
off, but they were never able to hear whit the sur-
plus ills, or whet was the . t of the drlit paid
ult. The Chancellor of ti.e Elwin:river lutist arid,
that tibia was the only country in Europe which had
paid off a part of its debt serer the peace ; hut
if they examined the mutter they would find that,
Mitred of diminishing, their debt had increased.
He ens aware. inde.d, that they bad lain iff a
part of the floating d-ht. but if they took their
debts and assets at the beginning of the peace,
and compared them with the prtisvnt year,
they would find the debt bed increased. From
papeat that hod come into his possession, not
indeed regularly laid on the table, it appeared
that the annual charge of the Unfunded Deist
amounted t• 30.038,8191. in February 1816. The.
charge if the Unrecheined Funded Debi in 3m.
unary Int, amounted to 29.999.2971.-whieh. taken
at ,sh per cent. moulded to 1,4761. ' This wait, in
fact, what was paid off the Unfeuded Debt,
,Although .appareutly it was a isofth larger sum.
The actual balance of the floating debt which the
'Country owe,. is 46444,840 a so that if we take
off sane million that haul been paid 4 the debt.-
iusteud of being diminished. bad actually Memorised
within the last five years to the amount of
7,135M1f. This was the operation performed
since the peace, besides 12,000,0001. which had
been intended to be applied to the winding up of
the war accounts. If we persevered in this system
foil fire years longer, it would require all Ott in-
genoity, and what was still more, all the authority
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to prove that
the country was on the road to prosperity. With
reaped to the Sinking Fund, surely no man could
be so blind as to hr unposed upon by that coarse
end clumsy expedient of taking from one pocket
to put into another; and as sinking funds we have
none, and sinking funds we were likely to have
none, it were better to rho away with the name, as
it could only tend to impose, and that on *cry few
individuals. When the country way weighed down
with taxes the Government should resort to the
strictest economy, instead of which the army, for
instance (and he could quote many others). had been
Considerably increased , sisice 1792. Where Mr.
04 kept two men, the Right Hon. Gentleman and
his colleagues kept three.
The CHANcettoa of the EXCHIMUEII said, if
thiß were the first time the House had heard that-
etnlentent made, he should feel it his duty N enter
Mlci the question; but at present he should cost-
tent himself with referring. the Hun. Gentleman
and the House to the detailanf the Finance Com•
. sitter, and there they would find the expositions.
kesintleelien stating charges on er,te side, without
income on the other, must Wetly& come to an
(imillat conclusion.
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I:4•4llr.'lliaseitt.T said, that in 1841 the :Sinkiog
t f endalessuuted to 16,004,4411.—m0re by threemil-
"hem:then in 1815, but the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had imposed taxes to that ansouut since
that period. The unfunded debt was about
100,0001. Tess thin in 1816, so that if the additional
taxes had not been laid ow,. 'we should be pretty
much in the sante condition as that peliod. lie
had nothing tore to add but to express a hope that
every specie, of economy %Utah' be resorted to,
and next., year there would be a saving of three or
four milliouss
The Cleat' then preceeded to reed the . Report.
•%Then he cause to the pert Which related to lot-
terkes-iw

Mr. Hums said, Wit there was • deficiency in
the lottery last year of 40,0001., so that inking it
in that point I.f view alone it was highly °like-
bonable. But when the Stitt/lite Book renetenned
Acts against private gambling, it was scandalous to
see the Minister of the Crown _encourage a system
of this kind for the paltry assit4; of 100,0011. or
200,000/.
The Report was then etwieluclea.
The eilsrdcs:i.t.oit of the Excllrsiugit mewed,
that the Meuse the, at rising-, adjourn to
sicsehy lit t.

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GRANT TO THE DUKE OF CLAIIENCE.
The Martens 4 Lox Dountanc rose to move the
Order of the •Day fur the House going into a Com-
mittee on thetgrant to the
.Dake.of Clarence. He
said this demand arose nut of an arrangement In
IBIS, to provide for two illustrious Members of the
Rowel Family. the Duke of Clarence and the Duke
of Cambridge. Ile then took the liberty of stating .
to the House his vitws for a provision for the Royal
Family.—[lt was then suggested to the Noble
Lord, by some of his friruds behind him, that the
House should go into a Committee before he pro-
ceeded further.] —lle then moved that the Speaker
' do leave the chair.
Mr. hloecx said, when the House had rejected
the claims of the American loyalists, which were
called fur by strict jitaiice, on the ground of the
inability of the country to meet the demand, it was
hard they should be now culled on for this de-
mand, which was merely an act of grace and gene-
rosity ; but, besides this. the change in the cur-
rency of the country bad rendered this demand
pecul arty uogracious, This granthad been made
daring the administration of Mr. Fox; since that
period a considerable_ alteration had been made in
the curreiley. and this was an attempt to in-
crease the value of . that. which, by the very
circumstances of the tiwitsyltsd already increased.
We now lived in a asesi cessmious age, and were
dispoited.ttelook with Vest doinuteneas at the con-
duct of Princes ;• and when the House considered
the very prominent conduct of the Duke of Cl..
rence in the. House of Lords duriug the trial of the
Queen, sod coupling that. with the patient appli-
cation, they might perhaps be induced to form yr-,
rommos notions or his conduct, and impute it not
to u high sense of his duty, but to prospective to.
terested motives. For these reasons lie should op. •
pose the,Sprskire leariug the Chair. ;;
The question use tbeu put and carried without a
division.
The Marquis of Lonlion MIRY said, he •should
not occupy the time of the Howe in replying to
the observations which the 11014 Geutlensan had
thought it his duty to mike. The decision of the
Ilouse hail carried a stronger refutation than any
thing he could my. It wail true that grant had
been made dunsug the administration of Mr.
Fox ; but that was for their unmarried. not
their married state. But at that time he thought
the claims of the Doke of Clarence stood
on
Ipt.tiel OfllitlilliS, mud he proposed • larger
grant ; but although the House, and isurticularly
a Right lionnuurable Gentleman opposite, were
disposed to meet the wishes of the Crown,
they thought differently. A vote of 6,000!. a-year
wee granted to his Royal Highness the Duke
of Clarence ott his enerriege, which he declined
accepting, because he could nat. without ember-
nosing himself. hold Iris b* statism in society. He
the' determined to live ott the coutisietit, wheel
tie could bee - with much greater ecinsoiny. if
Psovidence had spored the infant Princes", it
• lit. (the Marquis%) intentiou to propose a
scale of provision different from the present; but
is that urifortUnstely:wao trot the ease, it there.
fore was his duty . . to state the circnsio.
toners under whickitir • its) woo sairde. The
expenses of his Royal f 41itiess had considerably
sinnitim
ithereaved,. and he truly celled on the Mose to put 1
Milt in that situatiou he rould have bean in Mal ht.'
accepted the grant the tithe it use rode. MA
thought it unnecessary to•nsake any sppeol its this
generosity of the House. He was sere there Was
no man in the country who did nut respect the
private and domestic, virtues of his Royal Hight.
'Dees. He tacitly called spots thew to du sit act of
justice. end to place his Royal Higlinek on a level
with his yotinger brothers, and its the situation he
would have held hied the Act passed at the period
•it was proposed. The Noble Lord Concluded- by
enoringa- • •
' 4‘ That Ma Majesty tie esaiderlt is Irmo frees the Conso-
lidated Food a awns sot eireedl4B 4,0004. a year. to make a
suitable provision foe his Rum' Highness the Duke Of Cla-
✓ence, eoninierveleg frogs the SO day of April, set.."
Mr. Hussy thought the Noble Lord should di-
vide his Resolution., and take the grant for 6,0001.
a year, c iiiiii nencing at present, aid then take the
opiniou of time House upon the ammo.
The Marquis of Losnoawsaty said, that this
would destroy the very-spirit of the giant.
•
Mr. HOME said, if the Noble Lord took the first
grant. he should go stoat With him, but he should
oppose the arrears. But be thought that before
they made thea pant some explanation should be
given with reopen to the property of the late King.
Ile was one of those who thought the Royal Fa-
mily should have a provision suitable to their rank.
But the Duke of Clarence had other income be-
sides the other branches of the Royal Family.
and it would only require the cuts of 3,5001. to pot
him ou a level with them ; and as that was the
object of the Noble Lord. he should have made his
demand that ainuunt, and he felt he should not do
his daily if he voted for more than that. Her Ma-
jesty die Queen had, at a former period, declined
13,0001. a year. yet the Noble Lord did not pro-
pose to pay her M..jesty the armor', 'and it was his
(Mr. fume'.) itdentioe,Nrheu her Majesty sent
down that ill-advised .Menage, refusing the grant
of Parliament, to propose that she should have been
paid the arieare, and the Duke of Clarence ell-
joys at this moment 33,0001. a year, while the
daughter of the Duchess of Kent had not one slid.
ling voted. 17he children of the Duke of Clarence
lied 2,3001. and the legitimate child of soother bro-
ther wits telt without a shilliug. He thought the cliff-
dren of the Royal gamily should be supparted by the
public, but he could toot endure this partiality. He
perfectly agreed with his Hon. Friend (clr. Monek)
that no part of the Duke of Clareucets conduct
fur the lust eighteen months, was chletilsted to in--
crease the reiqtect which time public were generally .
disposed to pity to the Royal Family. Ills private
coutluct might -have merited time enlogium of the
Noble Liwil—(fleers)—but with respect to his
public conduct, he repeated the 'turmoil, and he
defied any matt to get up end boldly answer, was it
creditable for him to sit in
life
on a ewer
relation, almost in a case of • and death. Why
nßot observe the same delicacy is his Rmal
rother the Duke of &tuts T—(Heur, Awl—.
end if he were to be put on en equal baiting, why
nut preserierytant delicacy ? Ile repeated Wagoner-
lion again, std if the question of the west, were
pressed, he should oppose it lit every stage. The
lIIIM granted, to her Majesty had been given Up from
generosity, but the grout to the Duke of Clarence

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had been thrown up with.p. efeanee. . tie thought
the time was now come when they should have some
replauation respecting the property of the late
King, and he eas surprised the Noble Lord lied
not raid something about it. Ile should state to
the House how the case stood. Accoroliiig to the
lit of Anne, Sovereigns were prevented from alien-
, ating any part or their property ; but according to
the 99 It and 40th George 111. permission was
granted to give away lauds and manors, but on
condition that a will should be made. otherwise
the property should go to the pieolic. He
put it to a Learned Gentleman whom he saw
opposite, whether the will of his late Majesty.
egreeehly to the Acts of the 39th and 40th '
IGeorge 111. should not be proved as well as that of
I any other individual, and he would say that the
House was bound to have the will produced, to Pee
if the Duke of Clarence derived any thing from
it. His Majesty'. Ministers were bound, in justice
to the other brunches of the Royal Fount'', to make
the will public. The property of his late Majesty
was increasing dor-nights illness, and multl be some-
thilig considerable ; the House ought to consider
it as public money, and to be informed of what
had become of it. The lion. Member Concluded
by moving, that instead of 6,0001. the grout should
bi for 3,500/. , o•. ;
The Marquis of LONDONDIMRY said, he had
hoped and almost persuaded himself that thee vote
would have pulsed unanimously, and thattio un-
kind reflection or contrast between Otte member of
the Royal Family mod another would hive been
introduced. He thought that arguing the question
in that manner, as the Hun. Member had, was not
a very wise mode of exercising the undoubted
privilege of a Member of that Hon.,. He was
surprised that the Hon. Member, with all his re-
search, had not discovered that the 4,500/. per
11111111 Urn which was charged on the Consolidated
Fund, we. granted to the Duke of Clarence very
early in life. and in the subsequeut settlement of
his income wrs toot taken any notice of, because his
Royal Highness loud no professional income.—
If compared with that of the Duke of Kent, who
had 7,0001. a-year as Governor of Gibraltar, it
would be found ;ulterior. notwithstanding that
allowance of 2,5001. a-yeur. Hu Lordship do.
precated the epiitt of championship wlech.was dis-
played in taking up the interests of one member of
the Royal Family, as committed with the interests
of any other member, because such a course seldom
tended to advantage the cause of the party whose
cause was espoused. Another benevolent observa-
tion of the Hon.. Member's related to the reduction
which her Majesty,, when Princess of Wider, had
chosen to 'make of the vote of 50,000/. granted by
Parliament to 35,0001; but there was in fact uo Amt..
larity between tile too cases. His Royal Higbaess
had from the time of his marriage lived in this coun-
try, under an expense which tnust have greatly in.
creased from the alteration of his situation. -He
trusted that he had said enough in unseal to
the observations, of The Hon. Member to induce
the House to accede to the proposition -befoee
them. With respect to the Hon. Member's sign-
Aerate respecting what he styled the arrearkhe.diel.
think he was us &uvular in his feelings al in ;earipir
of his topics. end lie (the Mitrquis of Londonderry).
did believe that he would hardly find enothit-Metsi•
her of that House who entertained the sami.-: The
' Nom Welber had called upon him for • *eras.
' statement of the property alma late Mojesiy, but he
conceived that the House would not think hair the
moment, neither would the Retire now expect hiM
to go into it. He had uo hesitation in sayini... that
there was a will made by his late Majesty. but it
had not Mimed out to he an effectual one. sad at
a future period he would have to submit a propo-
sition to the Hasse on the subject, and the House
would not hesitate what to do when that should be
the case.. He had on a former occasion stated
. in the Hattie. that all the Odle tales of immense
accumulations of property; amounting to i Million.
sterling, belonging to lass late Majesty, were the
Puerile or malicious inventions of idle persons.
The money property did lint exceed 80,000/. and
was subject to many claims which his Majesty's
liberteity had admitted. as fulfilling the Mni.. i
I/ 4.118 of his lute Royal Father. tveiyuther part of
the property (bough the will. if valid, would have
given a benefice) interest to his Nfejestj) hind
been placed under the proper officer as vest-
ing in his Majesty. He assured the Muse
that the Duke of Clarence did not derive
any advantage whatever from his late Majnoty's pro-
perry. He hoped how that there would be an end
of the idle tales circulating in the country, and also
of those calumnies cast on the late Queen of these
realms, es if the had mode great savings. and
remitted them to her family abroad. when, in
fact, clue had hardly left sufficient meta to cover
her debts, her numerous charities; having fillly ob.
sorbed all her income. It was now for (he 'House
to make that provision fur his Royal Highness
which they had already made for his Royal Brothers.
and lie did think that hardly any Englithroata
would be found to ga *long with the Honotirable
Member iu the observations which he boarmade..
The only qiiestion now before the House wit.,
whether they were prepared to execute their own
purpose or not.
A Member, whose name we could not learn,
empire/led the Resolution. He felt that the
Prsioces of the Blood were frequently placed-in ion
awkwa,tl predicament in that House; but rotten he
saw those Princes were every thing that was
gallant in the field, that they patronised the arts,
and presided over the charities of the country, he
could not refuse lois weed of admiration to their
deserts ; and he appealed to the Member for Aber-
deen whether Ins Rey', Highness the Duke of
Clarence hail not been of most essential service to a !
,I
charily intimately connected with his native country.
Mr. FIUMIC said, that from what had fallen front
the Noble Lord and the Hon. Member who had
just sat down, had ally stranger just entered the
House he would have Untoward that he (Mr.
Home) had been bringing charges egsinst the
Duke of Clarets' r, when, in fact: he had expressly
guarded Willett' groin any such iufereoce. He was
wilting to rune to make up the income of his Royal
Highoess 24,0001. a year; but he kite* nothing eh
las public character to authorise hint to vote store
to I than to his younger brothers. The pro.
leftism,' income, he allowed, was altogether out of
1 the question. He did not see why lois .9loojeaty
should not pay this 2,500/. a-year out of the su
of 95,01 M. voted iu the Civil List ai allowance

for pensions, &e. and concluded with dec lacing In
intention to divide the !louse on the amendment
which he had proposed; and called upon Hot.
Members to reduce the grant, and altogether re-
fuse the arrenrs.

Mr. Hushissoo said, that when the grant of
MOON. r year was made to Ins Royal Highness
he was in possession of the .1,300/. a years., fa 1806,
when during Lord °reliedle's AdininistAnino an
addition of 6,0001. • year was made. be then ei,_
joyed that 2,500/. ■ year, and in ISIS, when the
House voted the grunt now in discussion, they were
fully aware of !hit circumstance, as also of his
Royal Highness's profes.ional advantages. The
Hon. Member asked why his Majesty did not grant
this 2,50 t/. a year out of the fmtwol. vuted fur
pensions o►► the settlement of the Civil List; but lie
would appeal to the House if eve►, from the time of
Mr. Burke's Act. it was contemplated that the
Pe►►sion List should he msdc the means of provide
iug fur any of the Royal Family : besides which,
by that Act his Maj►sty was restrained front groin.
lug any pension exceeding 1,200/. a year.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, if lie understood the
Noble Lord rightly, the pound of the grunt was,
that the Duke of Clarence did not enjoy any pro-
fissional advantages; bet surely the Noble Lord
must be aware that the Duke of Sussex had no
such income : indeed he (Mr. Williams) believed.
he was the only one of the Royal Family who had
not received • single farthing above his income out
of the taxes paid by the people of England. He
allowed that ►t was improper to look to and dis.
vim the private characters of the Princes of the
Blood; hut if ►uch discussion were ullowable, he
would say that he knew none who more merited
commendation—none who had better supported the
character of an English gentleman than the Duke
of Sussex. He thought it right to say thus much
in justice to the Duke of Sussex, and to give the
Noble Lord an opportuuity of correcting the error
he had fallen into.

Tile Marquis of Logoosneagir said, he had
not said a word about the Duke of sex. our
did lie even allude to hie name.
Mr. WM. SMITH thought that it would be more
fur the advautage of the public and the credit of
the House. if the discussion on the private cha-
racters of those illustrious persona were carried II #
further. The Nuble Lord talked of Euglish feel-
ing, and thought that no one could be found to
support the motion of the Honourable Member
for Aberdeen; he did not know if there would
be a third, but he himself would 'Second it. The
arrears, at all events, should enter into their con•
sideration, and he should be glad to know on what
grounds the grant was originally refused, whether
from whim, mprice. or petulance. lu every point
of view, be thought the House would do right in
granting the 6,000/. a-year now, but he could, sug-
gest nothing %shy the tureens should also be granted.
If the sum were wanted, why was it refused iu the
first instance ? and if not, why shoold the arrests be
granted ? Wish respect to the real estate of his
late Majesty, it might be true that it vested in his
Majesty, but why omit not brought under their
consideration et' the ti.ge the Civil List was set-
'The gratin Ought to have been left open.
Supposing that the rail estate amounted to 200,000/.
or 30%0001. blear, his resent Majesty might come
into that estate's..molest
Mr: Husitiman. to save the time of the House,
begged to explain to the Hon. Member, that the
real estate of his late Majesty, there being au valid
become part of the estate of his present
Majesty. and was now wader the c.ntrol of the
Comeasssiooerslor laud revenue, sod the produce
went to the Consolidated Fund. He should be ex-
tremely glad if it were 200,000/. or 300,0001. a
year, because the public burdens would be some-
what alleviated by it;. bat if it were sold by sue-
lion, lie did not think it would realise 20.000/.
Mr. W. SMITH thanked the Hight Hoo. Gentle-
man for his informstiois. which was perfectly astir-
factory to him, aud would be, he had no duubt, to
the House.
Mr. liatewr supported the amendment ref the
Hon. Member for Aberdeen.

The Marquis of LottoonDattalt explained.
Mr. Tramiel said, as he had borne a part in the
discussions in 1818, he thought it right to state the
grounds on which lie meant now to vote. He had
at that time opposed the Wee of negativing the vote,
rso he had thought it was hut just to his Royal
Highness that • record should remain on their Jour.
nals to spew that nothing had mord iu their minds
to his prejudice, and lie was now doing no more
than if his Royal Highness had never rejected the
grant. On that occasion he confessed he thought
his Royal Highness was very ill-advised, but there
were always persons at the ear of Princes ready to
give such advice. At that time his Royal High-
ness was not married, and the general opinion
was,
that the marriage wonld not take place at all ; but
the Duke did not conclude it. Certainly it was
very honourable bog, to him and the Duchess,
because lie believed it was the first marriage
of one of the Royal Family where the parties
had no pecuniary advantage. From that time
he bud hero expecting the
present demand, and
was only surprised it laid not been made before;
and he thought there was hardly any considerable
portion of the public who would think the House
was doing more than a bare act of justice to
his Royal Highness. Hr hud voted for the 6,0004
• year, and he did not think lie could now run
away from that vote. Willi respect to arrears,
something like an argument might be raised, though.
unless they meant. to mulct hi. Royal Highness for
his tardiness in taking the money there could be
nothing said for it. In print of pecuniary advan-
tage (interest being g•iined by the delay), that was
all on the side of the public. Unfortiniately for
him it was many years since lie had had any ac-
quaintance with his Royal Highness, but he under-
stood that his conduct as a husband had been
exceptionable, and all that the Howse had now
to do was so forget some little heat which had
place there years ago. Fie would observe in answer
to his Ham Friend (lira Williams), that it was
the maritage which gave the claim, said that sac
this dilGieiiee between Ike Duke of Clarence and
the Duke of Sussex. If there were any occasion
for it, lie knew uo one who had so proud a claim
as his Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex, and uo
man would be more ready than himself to vote in
support of it. •
Mt. FORBEs rose, but spoke in so low a tone of
voice, that he was neatly inaudible in the gallery.

d'

being taken one after the other, there WI
end nearitt2eloo,o6o/. granted, leuring
or 378,4174 beyond s►rry thing which
comprised in the service to which the
appropriated.. There was wo .odife• way
berg to adopt, to prevent themarlves I
mi.led, than to put down the items as