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We should not tax the Labourer in the which were eetisoncres to the ritual organs, none-vett ee obnoxious
Mr. !Welt had no doubt that if a statement of the nature of , flatly called upon to spare,
the ioformation regiuired was given to the petitioners, it would neon I article 4 his strong 'hoe. The farmer ought not to be taxed foe las that on tobacco. The leather-utx too was peculiarly felt by pa-
be furnished he hoped this soul) be done, as the petitioner, were the hamar with which he cr.rried corn to mark it. Another advan.irents, guardians. and maiden aunts, who happened to hare !limited
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'numerous body and had great cause to complain. tage of the repeal would be to reconcile the fanner by degrees to wards tinder their pmtection, whom they despetched to Harrow or
The petition was ordered to lie on the table. cheap corn, and would prove to hint that reductions could take I Eton for their advancement in literature. (A Link.) Ile should
SCOTCH FREETHINKERS. place, and be raised by melee not minim. to him; it would pet-' certaiely ,tum•int the repeal.
Mr. HOME presented .1 petition from the Freethinkers of F.din. I pare him for the repeal of import prices, a cereneeanee an dears-! sir J. It t ) I:I NSI)N observed, that :he reduction of Piet year did
burgh, praying to be allowed the diecneeion of their wee:, oe faith ble foe the manufecturing classes of consumers. if any deficiency much, but the cutuplete a'.' ration cat this ear would watt still
without mulestetion.—Orelered to lie on the table. I "'tee t^ ,recur, it 'eight to be eittiplied from the eieeing Fund. The . greater bowel+ on the coined.
WAREHOUSED M'l I FIAT. House was not pledged to the support of this fund ; it could ! Ale. (AN NI NIS eaiii, tree few geetlereit there weelil have the
Mr. FIX:111NC; resented a petition from the corneterowers of not be 00 pledged. '1 tie fund wan a mere false bravado of VdrUla- ! bol.lllesa to twee inn the statent.nt of the 11.01. 31entlier aOO last
Wareham, against the ramdeil Wheat 11111.--Laid on the table. ! tion. In addition to this tepcaL lie would vs-intone:A elitistere to elide:, e the Hovee. If no tee WFIS 10 be retained is.entts •is was
Mr. CI ' ItTEIS sties:.! foe a return of persons who have made a; conciliate Ireland. 'l'lits measure would effect the reduction of service:dee to the comery unites at tti. ;came nee. it Was shown to
return to the inspectors of London, Liverpool, and le stun, of the I mud, taxation—it would enable us to reduce our military force in be eminently delighttel to E.!:,blish it Amongst its irwittitiars. he
es of foreign corn sold by thill e where the year tithe exceeded h
-31 : 1 country—it would enable 03 to reduce our bayonets. which ; was afraid that few sew. would on :LA seer,• sitrvie: the scritti.
ill (marten; and also for copies of the letters written to the i^s .. pe
z. , were as expensive as they were sharp. lie would support the rising criticient or th: lion. llember we° had ,poken last.
tore, with their answer. thereto.—Ordered. I measure. 1(A imigh.) It wan rattler lined, however. upon :tie Right Hoe. ;
Mr. ELLIS gave notice that lie ehould stibmit a elnuse in the j The ClLlNejet,yent of rite ;Excel Etx ;:It noticed the; Friend the Chancellor oe the :exchequer, who 11.1t1 alrentiv given up
Bonded %Vilest Bile exempting the Canadian wheat in bond front i
; ware's baits which were thrown out by the Honourable ;lover an many tax:11„ that at t!se cod of the `e rani he aloof! be come
the duty ; and from the slatehient that be should make to the House, , and Seeottiler. The Hie:nu:able 31embers thought he would snap, ; peed to give up thin tax. e itch seas scarcely a reasonable ranee- t
he did not anticipate any objection but lie felted they would he niticli disappointed. If the measure ration. isle ilon. Friend behind him (sir Joseph Vorket.tint ter_
I) EH HY C.IT II Eleß.ll. I propene,' by the Honourable Member were eubstiteted foe the pre-. tainlv from any love of muneltineete in his proper pereen. had
Sir J. NEerrillt'le smile the :Immutable Baronet, the Meters- sent system. lie del not see how touch good, or especially the par. ohjetecti to the tenni:mat-cc of the duty on tobacco. (A laugh. •
her tur Gerry, in his place,wae desirous of knowing front him, a be. I tieular good, txperted by Not, wan to be obtained. (he part of his ; Partly, linWt•Ver, front a humility to tobacco, and partly :ran o love of
thee he was aware of any ki,'al documents being in the POTl4eNtilin of 'Plan we, to lee a tat upon the licence of the tanner to the amount of cheap learning. he hart contrasted the two tsses, and, with ativ.ertage
the Dean ctrl Chapter of Derry, relative to the funds that were ap. 60f. This would give a r„„,,,, a 174,000/. This sum would merely'. to the latter : his Hen. Friend complained of the operation of the
pheable in the repairs of the cathedral. meet half the Iwo! incurred; therefore, to act in conformity with his; tax upon leather as it affected Eton and irestminster disciples..
Sir G. HILL, in reply to the question put to him by the Right own principle, toe duty imposed upon the tanners' licence should' He well knew that matey preiects for education had been ince:Out-2d '
Ilimonrable Baronet (Sir J. Newport). felt it due to his own cha. amount to sine jemaree pounds; and this imposition would, if to that linnet., and as ether llon.Gentlemea had taken the contents, '
racier, to the sincere Teepee: lee entertained for the !louse, and not adopted, defeat sloe of the measures; which the lion. :Member had in he resolved to patronize the binding. (A laugh.)
lees his duty to his constituents, the citizens of Gerry, to answer view. If' the licence were to he paid for at this rate, it would prevent; !Ile. I' I.CR AFT replied.
tl:c Right Honourable Mentheea question clearly, explicitly, ard competition, as small capitalists would he mended, and the trade; The Iletatee Melded, when the numbers were—
without reeerve. Ile had brought a Bill into Parliament on the would fau exchthrly ieto the band. of thoec possessed of large ; For the motion . .ee I Against it - - -71
petition of the Bishop xis! Dean of leerry, and the parishioners of capitals. The Hon. Member said he wan oppotied by the tanner Majority - - . - 16
' the parish in which tee cathuleal of Deny 6 situated. The groande and currier., w.eo supported the original repeal, but who, as if yi. : BANKING ACTS (IRELAND).
I sited with sow vv..-
of tele proceeding were, that no fund, except assessment by res. Debt upon the subject, did not deem any fu- ; Mn DA IFSON rose to introduce a Rill to repeal the 29th of;
try. existed for the ',upper: of that cathedral. of this tact he had , ture retest; adeint' a !ewes s range they should not wish for the ' Geo. 11. chap. Id,. an Act which obliged the name of every part-
' been assured : he Oreed this reason to the Muse for proposing the ; repeal of the duty on account of the money raised by it, and fur the : tier of a hank to be intentioned on the note, and prohibited bankers
Bill, to create a peeniaaent fund. Ile had not anticipated the sue. I reduction °lute melee on foreign bark, and ail other matters notes- from trading as merchant.. His object in introducing this measure
coated oppoeition which had been made to the second reading or sary for the trade of a tanner. Fur his own part he did not see how was to remove the restriction now existing againet Irish stork ,
the 11111, and in order to be prepared to the Committee upon an Increase in the value of these two articles could produce any ! companies. The removal of such restrictions would be peculiarly '
the Bill that no fund at present existed, he bad directed sears es benefit whatever. He did not think the increase of price on foreign I serviceable to various parts of Ireland. By the present system, •
to be made in Ireland, to ascertain whether there was any mood of Leek could be a desirable object ; a measure tending to this object which prevailed with the Bank of Ireland, her branches were rot !
' lanel-tithe, cr other property, having at any time been grantee( tor! woald perhaps increase the value of oak woods in Sussex and other ' extended to the provinces, and the repeal of this Rill wentkl j
the support of the Derry esthedral, subsequent to the rejection of I pans of England, but he did not wish to see a system of this kind . mainly contribute to the accompliehment of that object. The ;
the Bile He received Information which induced him to believe, acted upon. It would not be consistent with those principles upon ! Honourable Gentleman emeeluded with moving the repeal of the .
that funds at one period had existed for the support of that eathe. which he was acting. Ile would nut detain the !ranee: he would 16th ch. of the eee George ii.
deal ;he lied communicate,' that information to his Hight lion. state his objections to the measure, and explain his views upon the 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed in a
Frien the Secretary of Suite for Ireland, to the Bishop, lhan,and subject. since the time he tilted his resent office, it was his lot to '• great degree in the necemity of repealing this law ; but the interests
Chief elegistrate of leerry, and had the satisfaCtion to be assured propose the reduction of taxes to the amount of four millions lof the Bank of Ireland must be pre:tenet!.
by the Secretary for Ireland, that the subject should be fully loves- and . a heir, and it was not natural to suppose that,, in the Mr. V. FITZGERALD did not think that the establishment ofe
' tigatcd, with a view to doing jounce to all Parties. .11e must add, consideration ot• the measures proposed to the consideration private banks was desirable in Ireland. They y had alread added
that he was quite confident, not only that every facility would be of Parliament., the duty imposed on leather would have escaped much to the misery of that unhappy country.
given to the inquiry by the Bishop and Dean, but the most zealous his observation. The attention of Government was repeatedly Colonel TRENCH rose to explain certain points which had
assistance, applied to the repeal of direct taxes, and of taxes arising been adverted to on a former evening, relative to certain statements
Sir J. NEWPORT then moved that the document be laid on from consumption, as they alfected our general trade. If' these which he had made respecting Ireland. The lion. Member took
the table. taxes could be repealed to their full extent,
he would not deny we. an opportunity of eulogising the cosduet of Mr. Strickland,
REPEAL OF THE LEATHER TAX. ought to go to that extent. Ile was not prepared to say the leather to the Duke of and '
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fax ass not objectionable. All taxes were so. He would not deny
this tax was objectionable, on many grounds. He was not pre-
pared todefend the principle on which it rested. Ile had not a
greater objection to the tax itself than he had to the restrictions at-
tending it; but were these restrictions confined to this particular
trade ? Were not taxes imposed on other articles. bearing a much
higher proportion to the intrinsic valve of the article ? Ile would
take upon him to state, that in the consideration and in the political
view of our !Mannal regulations, there were questions deserving
of a much earlier attention than a tax upon leather.—
He would remind the House of what occurred in the case of the
English distilleries; we were then told, that whatever sold might
be derived from the measure, would be more than met by corres-
ponding evils in other respects; we were told of what he knew
actually took place upon the bonlers of England a:.d Scotland.
With respect to the article of spirits, he admitted the duty was
high, when compared with the value of the article. If be had
3.10,0110/. to spare he would rather deal with this article than with
the measure before the House. He would rent the duty upon to
bacco; this amounted to four shillings the pound; the anginal
price was three-pecce. The duty was in the proportion of I,fieti
per cent.; therefore this article 4 all others. held out the greatest
inducements to smuggling. If he had 3.50,11001. to remit in the
way of taxation, he could not see how it could be better applied
than in the reduction of taxation upon this article. He would
peter its application to this object to a reduction upon leather.
, He would appeal to the Hon. Member for Waterford for an ac.
knowledgment of the measures rendered necessary to be taken in
that country. by the illicit introduction of tobacco. This was,
in his opinion, a monstrous evil, and requiring more serious
consideration than any restrictions imposed upon the manufae.
lcure of leather. He would next refer to a tax, for the repeal of
which the Gentlemen opposite were so particularly anxious
—he meant the tax upon coals. It should be shewn that the
, repeal of the leather tax would be more beneficial than that
'upon these articles. In his opinion, it we, a matter of doubt how
the balance inclined. With regard to the tax, the repeal of which
was sought for, he did not defend it; he did not maintain it was a
good tax ; such an anertion es this would be preposterous and ab.
surd. lle affirmed, in the largest sense, that the tax ought to be
repealed ; it ought not to be continued but for the necessity of the
measure ; besides, he did not approve of this reduction as proposed
by the lion, .Member; it would be tying up the hands of Perlin.
ntent, and be the means of preventing them from looking at the
reduction of other taxes, and calculating upon the best means of
procuring that reduction. Gendemen seemed at once displeased
and surprised that he should think of applying restrictions to Ire-
land similar to those existing in &gland. Ile was sorry to be ob-
liged to impose restrictions any where, but if they were necessary
at all, it was in Ireland, fur there was no place where they were so
shamelessly evaded ; and front the nature of these evasions, the
tanner was in the habit of manufacturing a bad article. In conse.
quence of such conduct, the character of Irish leather was mai.
heed, and it was necessary to alter it. Here it was worthy of re.
mark, that in part of Ireland where these restrictions were not,
either now or at any other time, even there the production of the
tax upon leather was diminished, and its quality deteriorated : this
was owing to the necessity imposed upon the tanner of working
rapidly, if the duties were collected in another manner. He
therefore felt it an object of peculiar regret to be under the
necessity of applying these restnetions to Ireland ; but with.
out dike application, the taxes would not be paid. It would
be impolitic and imprudent for the House to pledge itselV to the
keeping up or the repeal of these restrictions. The tanners and
corners did not wish to have them given up—they wished to have
them retained. The question between him and the Hon. 31eniber
was abort ; he objected to the tax—he admitted its disadvantage;
but there were other taxes, he was sorry to be obliged to admit, were
more liable to objection; and if he had 350,0001. available, he would
prefer the repeal of other taxes. lie would not pledge himself, if
he had such a sum to share, to the repeal of the present enactment.
Upon these grounds he thoughti it his duty to oppose the motion.
Lord Al. flloltP said, the laying on of the restrictions in Ire. I
land, fur the sake of thirty or forty thousand pounds, was just
cause of complaint. If thi argument used by the Hight Hon.
Gentleman was advanced upon the silk question, that measure
would not be carried. The operation of the present system was to
injure the manufacture itself. Ile would support the proposition
of his Hon. Friend. lie would wish rather the Bill was put off till
next Session ; this would enable the parties concerned to change
trades ; if they were so incliued, the tanner may become a currier,
and the currier a tanner. Generally speaking, taxes should he
taken drat once ; but this was an exception to the rule, and in
his opinion longer notice should be given that the tax was to be
taken He would not trouble the House farther.
I Sir J. NEIATORT conceived this tax ought to be repealed,
were it only for the enormity that it wrung neon money from the
pockets of the poor than it placed in the Treasury. The restric-
tions imposed in Ireland were not attended with the desired effect.
It was strange that the duties, amounting to 51,0001. at the time
of the Union, had diminished, notwithstanding the increase of the

The SPEsari having called on Mr. Caleraft,
Ger. GASCO E suggested to his Honourable Friend, whe-
ther it would not be better to postpone the motion of which he had
given notice fix a short period.
Mr. C.II.CRAFT said, that he could not attend to the sugges.
tan of the Gallant General, u he felt it to be his proper noun to
persevere in his euction, the object of which was, the entire re-
moval of the duties on leather, and to effect it in such a manner as
to leave no ground of complaint on the part of those who had a
stork on hand, and consequently to leave no necessity fur draw.
backs, as he should apply for leave to bring in a Bill for the repeal
of the duties from and alter the 6th July, len He had taken up
this case because it had appeared to him to be the very worst in the
whole list of taxation. It was defective in principle, and injurious
in its application ,• it was an inexpedient one, as it brought very
little into the Exchequer, but took a great deal out of the pockets of
tile people ; its produce to the Treasury was no more than 34.10,"1
but the public were charged with three times that amount. The
inefficacy of this tax was shewn, a hen the Government thought, by
doubling it, to add considerably to the revenue, but they were soon
compelled to remit the half of the tax, as they found that, Instead'
of increasing, it had considerably diminished, and this, too, on a
commodity without which we could not stir a step either on foot or
on horseback, and yet the Government was obliged to give up this
increase of taxation. He could not conceive on what ground it
could be defendeti, considering the liberal views which the Right
flonounele Gentleman opposite had held of late, and which the,
House had been so long enacceustomed to hear from gentlemen in
his situation. The impolicy of this tax would be es idea front there.
straints which its operations placed on every one concerned in the
I leather trade, and by which means six millions of pounds of lea.
ttter were annually cut to waste, and which neither the tanner nor
the currier could afford to pay for, and consequently the public
were obliged to do it. The public paid annually a sum of troo,Not.
in order that the Government might receive 3110,0061. ; and he
thought that this vase state of things which ought not to last,
unless we were to take our notions of trade from the enlight.
,cued acs of Richard the Second or James the First. What.
ever may be the result of his motion as to the repeal of the
lax in t us coun.ry, he trusted the tax would not be continued in
Ireland In that country its produce was not more than thirty or
forty thainand pounds, and whatever might be.the mqeive of the
Chancenlor of the Exchequer tor persevering here, heYould hate
ma jusdaeation whatever for keeping it up there. In Ireland the
dotty was collected. not by the pound, but by the cubic measure of
I the pit. This mode operated as an inducement to the tanner to
tan in as small pile as possible; mud thus, for the sake of colleedrag
a small revs cue, a premium was held out for a bad manufacture of
an article which wan principally used by the poor. In the Excise
dils mode also operated to a most absurd extent. Whatever the
result may be, he thought it most edvisable to repeal the tax in the
sister kingdom. Whatever consequence may be attached to the re-
venue collected in this country, there could be none attached to the
thirty or forty thousand pounds collected in Ireland ; and trifling as
this sum was, it was of importance in Ireland, front the smallness of
capital. lie trusted, therefore, it would be a kind of peace offering,
not to place the leather trade of Ireland in the same happy situation
as here. He was aware that upon this occasion he would be with-
out the support of those who assented to the principle and expedien.
ey of the measure. Several of those persons asked him in the
streets, why he looked tbr the repeal of the leather tax • and they
added. thrt leather was not made cheaper by the last reduction of
the tax en the ankle. The feet was, the price of leather rose
since that period. As to this advance, he was ready to admit that a
spirt in the trade had wised the increase of the price ofleather ; but
-he was et rtain that if the tax was taken off A fall upon the price of
leather would quickly follow. There was another circumstance which
accounted lot the high price: when the former reduction took place as
to tax, the restrictions, which were of a more cooly nature
were left on. If the same arguments were used with regard to
other taxes, what would be the consequence ? With respect to silk,
for exam! le, relief was given to that trade, and yet has it fallen ?
Not at all ; there was rather an increase in the raw material.
The object of this measure would be to effect a reduction upon
the tax, for the advantage of the consumer—of the importer of
the material—of the trade. The improvement of this trade
would be beneficial to the country at large; it would add
to the general prosperity • it was by die success of each of theme
trades, of the brewer and the farmer, the country was kept in a
state of prosperity. It was impossible for the various branches of
the community to hare boots, shoes, ice.; it was impossible for the
farmer to have his harness cheap, when the restrictions to which
he alluded were kept on. For the purpose of illustrating his argu-
ment upon the impoliry of the present plan, he would quote for
the Right Hon. Gentleman that with which he was of course well
acquainted--the evidence given upon a Committee in the yew,
11116 ; It was the testimony of a most respectable man engaged in
the tanning trade, a Mr. De Foe. When he was asked his opt.
nion respecting the duty, the disadvantages arising front it, and the
extent to which they reached, he said, in consequence of the sys-
tem, the tanner and the consumer were equally sufferers, and
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eorishire,-and spoke in commendation of several
gentlemen in similar situations. He concluded by commending
the utility of an institution formed in Ireland, for the improve-
ment of the female matiatitry, under the patronage and superin-
tendence of Lady Lorton.
After a few words from Mr. V. FITZGERALD, in opposition,
as we understood, to the Bill,
Mr. DAIVSON withdrew his motion, from an understanding
that the subject would be taken up by the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer, to whose immediate attention he recommended it. It was
one of extreme utgency, and the greatest importance to Ireland. It
was true that several banks in Ireland had failed, but that was no
argument against the utility of provincial banks, although it might
be against the principle on which they were founded. He would
desire the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fitzgerald) to look to Scot.
land, where similar banks were establiehed, but where, from the
rod principles on which they were founded. failures did not occur.
He was persuaded of the utility of the measure. but would rot
press it, front the intimation made by the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer to take up the subject (Hear).
The motion was then withdrawn.
CHURCH OF IRELAND.
Mr. H('M E rose to propose for certain returns relative to the
Church of Ireland, *hie!, he was induced to submit, from a variance
of statements which had been made respecting them. The first
return for which he should move was, of the number of resident
and non-resident clergymen of the Established Church. By a re-
turn which he held in his hand, it appeared that in one year tile
number of resident clergymen was returned to be seven hundred and
fifty-eight, and the number of non-resident five hundred and thirty-
Otte. In Armagh the number of non-resident amounted to ninety.
'one ; in Dublin, ninety-four ; and in Cashel, one hundred and
fifiv-two. This was a very different representation from that
which had been lately made to the House on the same subject ; it
was with a view merely of ascertaining the accuracy of the facts,
that he moved fete the present niums.
Mr. GOULBURN had no objection to the motion of the lion.
Member. lie thought, however, the object of it would be better
comprehended by a motion of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Al.
thorp). The Honourable Member calculated the number of ah.
sentee clergymen from a consideration of those who were legally
non-resident nn certain livings which they enjoyed, but who per.
formed spiritual duties in other livings, of which they were
incumbent...
4r. HU3IE next moved for an abstract of the number of offices,
according to the Irish diocesan returns, distinguishing between
those bestowed by the patronage of the Archbishop. and Bishops,
from those which were beetowed by the patronage of the Crown;
of lay impropriators, and those which were impropriate without
churches or incumbents. The Honourable Member stated the
number of livings in the diocese of Dublin alone, to be 144, of
which the Archbishop had the disposal.
Mr. (R)ULBURN had no objection to these returns either. Ile
would remark, however, that the number of livings in thediticese of
Dublin did not exceed US, and he was at loss to know by what new
species of arithmetic it could be made out that 144 of them were in
the possession of the Archbishop. (Laughter.)
The motion was then agreed to.
Mr. LEA KE brought up a report relative toe Bill for the better
examination of witnesses in the Courts of Law and Equity.
Mr. GOULBURN laid before the House a return of the num-
ber of incumbents of the diocese of Waterford and Lismore.
SAVINGS' BANKS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, on the bringing
up of the report on the Savings' Bank bill, suggested that the
blanks be tilled up, and the discussion on the amendments it con.
tained he reserved for a future day. At present he would simply
move that it be printed and presented to the House in regular form.
—The Right Hon. Gentleman. in reply to a few observations from
Sir M. W. Ridley and Sir E. Knstchbull, observed that the clauses
of the Bill should not have a retrospective effect, and that those
who may have subscribed large sums should not be affected by any
alterations which the House may think proper to make in the future
enactments of the Bill.—The report was then brought up, and the
third reading ordered for Monday next.
SCOTCH S.
The CHANCELLOR of the STIPENDEXCHEQUER, on the bringing
up of the rei-ort on the .tipcods to the Scottish clergy, stated, that
in 1810, from the insufficiency of the parochial contributions to
maintain them, it had been resolved to allow incumbents Ill)?. a
year fur the maintenance of their family, and as suitable means of
discharging their clerical duties. This allowance was made accord-
ing to the valuation of corn at the period at which the allowance
was made. However, in latter years, as the price of corn decreased
the income received by the clergymen was not adequate to that
which the legi.lature proposed and intended. The fault of the Bill
wits, that in the event of the diminished price of grain, it con-
tained no power to adopt a renewed valuation, by which the income
of the clergyman might be raised to the standsrd determined on by
Parliament. lie (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would there-
fore propose, that instead of the valuation as proposed by the last
Bill, an average valuation, according to the of grain
_for the

the expense a tanning was much increased. The quantity of PePulation in a meet incredible manner, and the conversion of the
aonntry from pasture to tillage t this circumstance increased the
leather in the kingdom was forty-eight millions of rounds.
Of this 24 trillions of poands were used fur the PurPose of dress. consumption of leather. The article became bad, and the duty was
ing, &e.; of the remainder, about six millions, that is the one- diminished. lie trusted, whatever was the result of the amnion,
pa.
fourth, were lost by the application of what was called the tanning the Right Honourable Gentleman would not proceed to the se
principle. This loss, in consequence of the present system, more ration of the two trades in Ireland, of tanner and currier. A change
than balanced the value of the whole revenue received into the Ex- in the mode of collecting the duties was to take place; they were
formerly collected by the cubic measure of the pit, at present they
chequer, even at that period when the revenue was double its pre.
were to be collected by the pound weight. Ile did not think there
sent amount; and thus, from the evidence given before the Corn_ were
any measure, front the repeal of winch greater benefit would be
mines, there was a loss of six million pounds from the application
of the tanning prieciple, and the quantity of the material thrown conferred upon the body of the population, and he would therefore
upon the dungbilretat mon:than all the revenue paid into the Ex-
support the motion.
chequer. This was nitshe testimony alone of the individual to Captain 31:1 BERIX said, as be was upon all occasions opposed
to the Sinkiog Fund, he was of couple calk advocate tpr a large repeal
when he alluded; it the ?pinion of all the tanners. lie knew
it was an easjr .way g*iiiing a market-cross popteuity, to see of taxation. Upon a former disesuaion. It had, in his opinion, hem
1 that a tax ought at be repealed. lie weld not be ee,...,,wd of seek. 'hewed to the Right I lonoureble Gentleman how he might get the
ing
.her be without it. He saw the Right Hon. Gentleman
popularity frau tanners and currier.. He had not their support. amount of his revenue without Inconvenience to the people, by
He had ra transferring the tax of beer to the malt. The article at present
before the House had a special claim to exemption from tax, as it
I smile. He perhaps knew how to appreciate such support ; but for
his part, be would, spots principle, rather be without it. Those was a necessary one• lie objected to any tax lea ied on a necessary
persons who supported the former repeal did net wish to go far. article, as it raised the price of labour, and tended in the same pro.
thee, as it would open the trade to competition. The trade was at portion to diminish profits. This was the opinion of Adam Smith,
and other eminent writers upon political economy. heather had,
present in the hands of great capitalists. This circumstance was
favourable to teueopoly, and sooner theta submit to measures which In his opinion, a special claim, as the tax took from the people
01101. I would effect a retlection of price, and thereby operate as a benefit 900, more than it c niveyed to the Treasury. The direct tax
laid on the article was :101.0,0001. ; the restricions caused a loos of
to the public, they would rather go on with all these restrictions
94/8,00ef.; thus the lose was treble the amount of the stint received
round their necks. than secede to any reduction whatever, which
would produce at once a reduction of taxation and increase of cone in the Exchequer. This was, in his opinion, • !imminent fee-
petition. He had, In addition, an objection to this tax, that it tore, making a repeal peculiarly oeccesary. Ile did not wish to
took a much greater aunt out rd the pockets of the people than enter at length into the subject: there was, however, one awe;
tion he must notice. It bad been said that tanners had a '
went into tile Exchequer. These were the statements be had to
make upon the subject. He thought he showed the Parliament monopoly,• and when the taxes were taken of the trade, '
the time was come for the reduction of the duties: he hoped he they went into their pockets; and in roofer this, it was said, that,
when the reduction took place the price of leather roost. This
also explained why he had not the concurrence of the tanners and
curlers, who feared the reduction of the tax would occasion a, might have happened, whether the reduction took place or not: it
reduction of price. If any arguments were used against him, he was impossible to come to any decision upon this point. It was
trusted he would be allowed an opportunity of refuting them. Ile also said that tanners had high and enormous profits. This was'
would now move for lent eto bring in a Bill for the repeal of all also to be proved. If he could prove that many tan-yards were out I
duties on leather, from and after the 11th Jolly, Hers. of employ, and this at a time when capital, troth the low rate of
Mr. cuRTNIS seconded the motion. It his opinion them was interest, was sought to be employed in every possible manner,
;
it followed that tanners could not be making those enormous profits. no fax which it was more expedient to repeal, either now or at
some fature period. Though, front the Conner reduction, the re_ lie had procured a list, some of the particulars of which he
petted fall on leather did not take plat:Nether objects were attained. would read:—ln London there were four yards unemployed ; these
The reduction of the tax was meant cs a ham to the agricultural were, perhaps, equal to eight or nine in the country. In Bristol
and commercial interests, and both these objects were effectually there were silt yards, of these the one-third was unemployed. In
accomplished. It'arwickshire, there were 4.i yards, 23 of which were not employed.
Mr. I.EYCCSTF.R thought the repeal of the measure would This was at s time when money was low, and high profits were not
be attended with peculiar advantages. The present system of re- looked for. He was of opinion, without feeling any prejudice to
'deletions, as it prevented economy, precluded the possibility of a any class, and fur reasons which were prominent in this meusure,
foreign trade. Ile would illustrate his sentiments by the state of its repeal would beef essential benefit to the public ; and he would
the trade in a town in which he was connected. There were three therefore support the measure.
tanners in it ;at preunethere was but one; the other two had end. Sir M. ( 01. TH URST supported the repeal.
grated to America, where they were thriving and prosperous, in. Mr. J. MARTIN defended the Sinking Fund, to which he was
stead of starving, as they would at home. Ile also disliked the i perfectly convinced the country owed much of its prosperity, He
OM= as it took money from the pockets of the subject faster than : must oppuse the motion of the Hou. lientleman.
it conveyed it us the Exchequer. He also objected to it because it ! Sir J. YORKE felt very gratctsd to the Chancellor of the
pressed with peculiar hardship upon those whom we were pecu. ' Exchequer for the axis for reduced; but of all the taxes

t, ---,ruing to the price
hot seven years, should he adopted. In addition to the allowance
which had been formerly made, there had been an increase of
145.000/. a year since 1811. He would further propose, that this
allowance be increased '2,9001. a year. This would not be a posh
tire increase to that amount, as frOm a defect in the law. 30,1100/.
hail accumulated Width could not be used until that defect were rec-
tified. This sum, tinder the new regulation, would go towards
the payment of the `2,e00/. which he propelled should' be added to
the allowance already node by Parliament, that the addition would
not be altogether a positive charge.
SEAMAN'S APPRENTICE BILL.
Mr. MONCK opposed the Horse going into a Cornmitee on the
Bill. It would hare, h. co mended, the effect of altering many
useful parts of the law of settlement, and would create no oquiva.
lent Milroy:mem in the law, as it already stood, upon that subject.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY complained of the late period of the sets.
shin under which so important a question had been brought under
,listission, as the alteration in the law of seamen's apprentices.
He thate.tht that all the maritime districts would peculiarly feel
injurious ell'ects fr..o the enactments of this Bill, which was calm-
laird to r. !meat,: rather than remedy the evils created by the law
as it now stood.
The SOL ITOR-GENER.I.L, as we understood, opposed
the NIL
Mr. S. 801 •lINE said, that unless the Bill went before a Con:-
mime to he refute!, lied. and were allowed to stand over until next
Session, he should oppose its further progress.
Sir E. KN.3Tt 'lllll'lA. agreed in the proposition of the Hon.
elentleniao (,11r. S. Bourne).
31r. D. ill EBERT made a few observation to the same effect.
11r. ('I'RTEIS thmight there could be no objection to the Bill
being considered in a Committee.
Mr. F. PA 1.31 LH thought the lion. Member for Sussex had
better ttlie his Bill, and consider it during the next six mon,lis. It'
the Rill be radically wrong he sincerely hoped the Hon. Member
would withdraw it.
Mr. AIONCK said he could not withdraw his amendment; and
lie hoped the lion. ''ember tOr Sussex would withdraw his Bill.
Mr. C. Pl.:1.11,131 made a few observations, which were in.
audible in the gallery.
The motion was then negatived without a division.
The farther consideration of the Bankrupt Laws Amendment
Bill was deferred to Friday next.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Assessed
Taxes Bill.
Mr. H 1731 E wished that some cheek should be put to the accu-
mulation of balances in the hands of treasurers. As a proof that it
was necessary lie would state, that in one district alone, the district
of Kensington, there was a balance of 23,000 L in the treasurer's
hands.
Mr. BERRIES made a few observations in reply.
31r. 111.31 E said, that although it was late in the Session, that
was a reason for not letting snottier year go by. The collectors
violated the law in evety single instance of collection. Ample
proof of this was to be found in the papers that lay on the table.
Af.:: a few observations front Mr. Bait:hi, Alderman WOOD,