Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-11-30 00:00:00

witness. He also added the following : I have seen the
captain intoxicated several times.
Mr. Bluck objected to this, as it was not relevant to the
case at issue.

The witness went on to state that on the night the
deceased broke the binacle lamp he saw the Captain knock
him down and kick him severely for three or four minutes.
He called him a useless scoundrel and said he would kill
him. Roderigo called for mercy, crying oh Captain don't
kill me," Heard deceased complain of his back being
very bad after, and that he thought he was killed. Saw
the Captain frequently ropes end him at the wheel. Often
heard deceased say when coming into the forecastle,
" Captain has been roping me again." Recollected the
mate going one night to the forecastle and asking whose
look out it was ? and the reply was the " Russians ;" that
was the deceased. This witness corroboroted the evidence
of tl.e previous witness, and said after the last time
deceased was kicked by the Captain, he heard deceased say
" Captain, kick me no more, he kill me now." The witness
was asked why he did not attend the funeral ? and he
replied—The Captain was drunk, and I did not wish to see
mockery made of the prayers.
Mr. Tyndall : How long did he remain drunk ? Until
three days before we got into Cork. Who had charge of
th© ship then ? The mate, until he got drunk also.
When did he get drunk ? When off Hook-light, abreast
Waterford. The witness said, on Tuesday, the 11th instant,
the day after he arrived here, he went and told the
owners all about it.

Mr. Tyndall : Did any one tell you to do so ? No, I went
and told them the carryings on, and that I believed the
captain and mate caused the poor man's death. I never saw
deceased baaten by the crew ; but the day before he died
there was a smell in the bunk and they insisted on his
leaving it, but I never saw him ill-used by the crew.
Cross-examined by Mr. Snowball. I was in the same
watch with Henry Renshaw, and it is true that he rubbed
deceased's back. The witness was cross-examined
generally as to the correctness of Renshaw's evidence, and
he said, so fir as knew, the former witness was correct a d
told the truth.

Mr. Bluck also cross-examined him, and, finally, the
further hearing of the case was adjourned to this morning
at ten o'clock.

REV. J. K. GLAZEBROOK IN REPLY TO
THE REV. MR. MACNAIYGHT•

TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN TIDIES.

Sir,—ln Mr. Macnaught's letter to the NORTHERN
TIMES, November 20th, he says, "I. trust he (Mr.
G.) will not, in his future letters, omit to notice so
many important points of my argument as he has
done in his first letter." For instance, with refe-
rence to my second paragraph, Mr. G. has not told
us Ist—How, exc opt by fallible human reason, he
purposes to decide what is the Rule of Faith ? and
what is the true meaning of each sentence in the
Rule Faith. Now, I beg to refer Mr. M. to my
letter in the NORTEIERN TIMES of the 20th November,
No. 2 paragraph, I have there said, " I have never
objected to the right use of Reason in matters of
Faith, (for this, alas, is not an Unitarian principle),
in merely deciding what is the Buie of Faith, and what is
its meaning," And then to place the question in a
clear light, I expressed it in as few words as pos-
sible, in order that there might be no mistake or
confusion ; and said, "In that case, it is the means
of ascertaining the Ride, it is not the Supreme Ride itself"
The charge then made against me by Mr. M , of
evading this question, is utterly false, and- I hope
it is not a fair specimen of the want of candour
and truth which I am to expect in this discusssion.
I wish it, however, to be remembered by those who
favor Mr. AL's side of the question, that it may put
them on their guard against believing his assertions
without proof. But Mr. M. goes on to say, " Mr. G.
has not told us-2. " If the fallible reason of man
be a court of appeal, to decide what is the Rule of
Faith, and what is its meaning, has not God, by
making human reason, thus the Judge over all rules
of faith, clearly declared the fallible reason of man
to be superior to every Rule of Faith ?" Now the
brief distinction which I made above between the
" means" or instrument of (discovering the rule,
and the rule itself, was intended to show the very
glaring blunder which Mr. M. had made in eon
founding " The Rule" itself with means of finding
out what that rule is. The truth, however, is, that
Mr. M. is fully aware that unless the principle that
" the fallible reason of man is superior to every
other Rule of Faith" be granted, the whole system
which he defends must fall into utter ruin.
That principle is indeed the " IrpciTov 45E1a0; " the
fundamental error of the whole. And one more
glaringly absurd, or more inconsistent with fact,
it is scarcely possible to lay down. According to
the practice of the Sophistical School, whose
spirit Mr. M. has thoroughly imbibed, he has con
trived to employ the word "Judge" in an ambi-
guous sense, as the means of drawing an irrational
and absurd conclusion. His proposition, which he
lays down as an indisputable axiom, is, that because
"the fallible reason of man is a court of appeal to
decide what is the Rule of Faith, and what is its
meaning," therefore, " God, by making human
reason thus the Judge," has made it superior to
every other rule—that is, that it is appointed also,
not only to ascertain the meaning of Scripture, but to
accept or reject that meaning accordingly, as it approves
or disapproves of it And this very principle is laid
down by the injudicious friend of Mr. M., who
penned " Thoughts for the Laity about the Mac-
naught's Controversy," in the Northern Times,
whom he recommends " to adopt the Broad Church
method," which he thus describes—" The Canon
of Interpretation" of the Broad Church is, to try
and reach the stand-point of each writer, so as to
learn what he meant by his own words, and having
thus obtained the original meaning of each
passage, to apply or reject its principle according to
its suitableness or unsuitableness, under presen
circumstances ?