Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-22 00:00:00

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LOCAL INTELLIGENCE.

DUCHY OF LANCASTEII..—The receipts of the Duchy of
Lancaster for the year 1858, including £2,400 remaining in
the hands of the Receiver-General from the accounts of the
previous year were, £51,283; £27,000 were paid to the
keeper of her Majesty's privy purse, and about £17,000
were absorbed by the estate.

LITERARY AND PIIILOSOPIIICAL.-At the usual fortnightly
meeting of this society, last evening, Dr. Inman in the
chair, several objects of interest were exhibited, and a paper
was read, by Dr. Edwards, "On the animals suitable for
an aquarium to be found in the Mersey and on its shores,
and the best localities in which to find them."
HOPE HALL LECTURES.—Mr. Westgarth, author of
" Victoria and the Gold Mines," will deliver the concluding
lecture of the present course to-morrow evening, on a
subject with which he is able to speak from experience,
" Australia." Our highly respected collector of customs,
J. Price Edwards, Esq., to occupy the chair._ _

ST. ANNE'S DISPENSARY AND EYE AND EAR INSTITU-
TION, 13, Rose Hill.—New patients entered on the' books
last week, viz :-19th March, 1859 : Relieved at the
institution, 159 ; relieved at their own dwellings, 45 ;
total, 204. Visitors—Messrs. E. Watts, and G. Jordan.
Hon. secretary and treasurer, Joseph Kitchen, Esq.
THE TOXTETH PARK BOARD DOCUMENTS.—We have
heard a strange and startling story of the proceedings of
some of the persons connected with this board ; indeed, so
strange, that we should doubt it, but the quarter from which
our information is derived leaves no doubt on the subject.
As the matter will probably occupy the attention of another
quarter, we think it best at present not to say more than
that ; the affair, as it at this moment looks, wears a serious
aspect.

LIVERPOOL DISPENSARIES.—Number of patients during
the past week : New cases received advice and medicine at
the Institution : North, 262 ; South, 136 ; total, 398. New
cases visited at their own houses and supplied with
medicine : North, 89 ; South, 47 ; total, 136. Grand
total, 534. President : Rev. Rector Campbell, A.M. ;
Vice-President of North Dispensary : Captain Bourne ;
Vice-President of South Dispensary : Mr. Charles Booth ;
Treasurer : Mc. Francis Mill ; Secretary : Mr. J. Whitby
Williams. Office : Leith Offices, Moorfields.
CORONER'S Couay.—Yesterday the Coroner held the
following inquests. On the body of James Whittaker, a
fisherman, aged 32, who, according to the evidence, was
bred a draper. He was trying to reach a fishing boat, but
got a fall that fractured his skull, and by this means he
was drowned ; verdict accordingly. On the body of John
Sullivan; aged 55, a labourer, who lived at 14, Fazakreley-
street. _ It was proved that the deceased was very

given to drink, and that, for the last nine days of
its life, he was never sober, but like a madman.
His body was found in the canal, and there was hardly any
moral doubt-bat that he fell in 'whilst in a state of in-
Verdict c "Found drowned." On the body

toxication,

of Mary O'Neill, aged six years, the daughter of parents
residing in a court off Burlington-street. The child was
scalded by accident on Saturday, and died at the Northern
Hospital on Sunday. Verdict : " Accidental death."
FATAL ACCIDENTS.—Inquests will be held to-day in the
following cases :---On the body of a female, who at present
is unknown. She was killed on Saturday, at the Edge-
hill station, in consequence of a piece of wood that was
sticking out of a luggage train tearing the side out of the
carriage in which she was sitting. She was in appearance
a countrywoman. Her'body lies ar.the Infirmary for iden-
tification. It is said that the case will be one of interest.
A poor Jew, aged 96 years, named Isaac Mordeica, who
lived in a court off Hill-street, died yesterday in the
Infirmary, in consequence of injuries he received by his
clothes catchins, fire.
EXTENSIVE ROBBERY AT A PAWNSHOP.—The shop of Mr.
Healing, an extensive and well-known pawnbroker, carrying
on business in Vauxhall-road, was broken into and robbed
of a variety of valuable property. The amount of the loss
is stated to be about £5OO, but we understand that it is
likely that the property will be hard to dispose of, as it is
of such a character that it must be stopped, provided it is
offered to honest persons for sale. The police
maintain the most rigid silence on the whole
affair, thinking, no doubt, this will enable
them the sooner to catch the perpetrators of this serious
robbery. Without entering into the notions of the police on
this, or any other subject connected with their jurispru-
dence, we may venture to tell, for their information, that
the only possible chance they have of catching the robbers
is to_give_the entire the widest possible publicity; then they
are sure of success, not otherwise.
THE LIVERPOOL BOROUGH BANK.—MEETING OF SHARE-
HOLDERS.--Yesterday (Monday), a meeting of the share-
holders of the Liverpool Borough Bank (to which reporters
were not admitted) was held at the offices of the Bank in
Water-street. The. chair was occupied by Mr. Bristow,
and it was stated that some of the shareholders had suc-
ceeded in obtaining an order from the Master of the Rolls
for an inspection of the books of the Bank by an accountant.
It was then resolved (an agreement to the effect being
signed in the room by the holders of 7,000 shares) that the
expenses incurred should be borne pro rata by the general
body of shareholders ; that Mr. Dixon, of Edinburgh, who
has been connected with the winding-up of the Western
Bank of Scotland, should be appointed accountant to
examine the books, and that, on the termination of his
labours, another meeting of shareholders should be called to
determine upon further proceedings, should any be con-
sidered necessary.

WATER COMMITTEE.—The usual weekly meeting of this
committee was held yesterday, in the Town-hall, at which
Mr. Hodson presided. There were also present —Messrs.
J. Holme, Bennett, Stitt, Vernon, Rae, Wagstaff, Mellor,
Crellin, EadeiTarnworth, and Woodruff. Mr.
.pincan,
water engineer, reported that the quantity of water received
from.Rivington, during the week ending 19th March, was
50,287,288 gallons. The quantity pumped from the wells
was 31,418,559 gallons. Total 81,705,847 gallons. Pro-
portion of the Rivington to the well water 50 to 31. He
also reported that the floods had not.damaged the reservoir,
the water in which had risen as follows : —Roddlesworth,
5 feet 7 inches ; Anglezark, 101 inches ; Rivington,
11 inches ; Prescot 111 inches. He stated that during
4,
the year the value of the water supplied to drinking foun-
tains and watering troughs was £849. A conversation took
place with respect to the watering trough at the Hay-
market being very little used. Some members present
thought its supply would be in more demand in Summer.
As nothing could be done to make it more valuable the
matter dropped. The chairman said he wished the press to
make it known that should any irregularity occur in the
supply of water, they had only to apply to the engineer, and
it would be remedied at once. This was all the public
business.

SAINT PATRICK'S UNITED BROTHERS TONTINE AND
FRIENDLY BURIAL SOCIETY.—This society, although not

much more than two years in existence, has attained a
high and respectable position, and is daily increasing. The
members held their annual dinner on St. Patrick's Day

(last Thursday), at Mr. Bradshaw's Trafalgar Hotel,
Waterloo Road. There were 82 respectable members pre-
sent on this interesting occasion. The dinner consisted of
everything that the season produces in abundance, and was
served up in a style that elicited the approbation of the
company ; nothing was wanting. The chair was ably
filled by Mr. Joseph Roddy, who is the treasurer of the
society, but who was chosen to fill the office of chairman on
the occasion, and a better selection could not have been
made, as he discharged the duties of his office with entire
satisfaction to the company. The vice chair was also ably
filled by Mr. Peter Butler. Wten the good viands had been
discussed and met with ample justice, the chairman gave
the charter toast of the society, " The memory of Saint
Patrick." He said it was not a political nor a religious, but a
benevolent society, and, therefore, it was that the memory
of the patron saint of the body was the first toast. This
could not give offence to any one, as the body was purely
or a charitable description. lie then gave a sketch of the
society, its rise, working, and progress ; and also a sketch
of the life and labours of St. Patrick, and was warmly
applauded. The next toast was the ".Health of our Gracious
Monarch Queen Victoria." He spoke in warm terms of the
virtues of her Majesty; her characterin a domestic view, which
even graced the mighty throne upon which she sat, and
whose sway reached from pole to, pole, and may she live to
hold her benign reign over her millions of loving, loyal,
and zealous subjects. The toast was drunk with the utmost
'affection and respect, and with all the honours accorded to
royalty. The next toast was " Prosperity to the United
Brothers of Saint Patrick's Benevolent Society."
The toast was prefaced by a neat speech, in which
an interesting account was given of the society. The toast
was drunk with great enthusiasm, and all the honours.
The health of 'tlie worthy host was give* and several
others, which were responded to. There were several good
speeches, with excellent and appropriate songs, and,
after spendixg an agreeable and pleasantl y intellectual
evening, the company separated, highly gratified with the
whole proceedings.
MR. C. MILLWARD ON " THE SOCIAL EVIL." A lecture
upon the life and writings of Thomas Hood, was delivered
at the Clayton Hall last evening by Mr. C. Millward, President
of the Literary and Dramatic sleietyrin aid of the library
funds of the Typographical and Literary Institute. The
chair was occupied by Mr. John Dignan, of the Liverpool
Chronicle, and a number of vocal and recitative illustrations

from the poet's works were furnished by Mr. F. M'Cabe,
Mr. Crompton, and other gentlemen. The members of the
Vocal 'Union diversified the proceedings by an agree-
able musical interlude. After referring to the humorous

productions of Thomas Hood, -and- quoting largely
from this department of his labours. Mr. Millward pro-
ceeded to review his serious writings, and to analyse the
moral features of his pathethic poetry. " The song of the
shirt," and "The bridge of sighs," he regarded as poetry
of the highest order ; and he would recommend the study
of these beautiful outpourings of rightly-directed talent to
those meddling gentlemen who are hunting the " unfortu-
nates " of this town as so much game, and driving them
from their own vile haunts to the streets and outskirts of
the town. Referring to the war of opinion now raging
between the stipendiary magistrate and the self-con-
stituted Society for the Suppression of Vice, Mr. Millward
said : " Our town is at present the scene of an impu-
dent attempt to wrest from its legal protectors a
power of discretion which they have hitherto exercised with
wisdom and forbearance. The great cry against social evil
has grown into a wild and demoniac howl; maw-worm has
armed himself for the fight, and he has enlisted under his
ragged banner the halt, the lame, and the blind, from
amongst the saintly sinners of his party. He has declared
a war of extermination, and if his will were law (which,
thank God, it is not), he would likewise annihilate_ all those

who entertain opinions contrary to his own. Let it not be
supposed that I would deprecate any wise and virtuous
attempt to lessen the fearful profligacy of this great town.
Let it not be thought that I would ridicule the well-mean-
ing intentions of really good men- to remedy or check the
greatest evil in the world. But I do condemn, firmly
and emphatically, the unwise and abortive efforts of a
vain clique, who have thrust themselves into notoriety by
treacherously attempting to undermine the allegiance and
discipline of those who are sworn protectors of the public.
I cannot but admire the manly course adopted by the
stipendiary magistrate in the vindication of his position, and
if his impetuosity was,excited, the provocation be received
almost warranted a stronger outburst of indignation.
Public opinion will ultimately sustain him in the stand he
has taken, and public scorn will ultimately drive his
meddling assailants to that obscurity for which they are best
fitted. The evil they would scourge is not of to-day alone,
but of ages past, and the wisest legislators of ancient Greece
and Rome vainly attempted to subdue it. To the great day.
of judgment it will stain the earth with its foulness, and the
puny opposition of vain and bic,otted men will only add fuel
to the flames. This is a °delicate subject, but I will
not shrink from the expression of my opinion on that account.
There are thousands of unfortunates between "The song of
shirt," and " The bridge of sighs," who might be reclaimed,
but they cannot be exterminated. If I might use a pun
that would have shamed poor Hood, I would venture to
assert that Caine, is not able to sweep the world of its
refuse, otherwise, where would some of the brushes be ?
Of a different nature was poor, sickly, large-hearted Tom
Hood. He, too, had studied the fearful history, of vice, but
he did not cast its victims from him as loathsome and, hi-
deous objects. He remembered that, with all their sin and
and crime, they still worn the image of that Saviour who
forgave the poor fallen adultress, and commanded those
amongst the howling throng who were sinless themselves to
be the first to cast the stone. The lecturer was repeatedly
applauded, and his remarks elicited the attention and
approbation of a numerous and intelligent audience. The
proleedings terminated with a warm vote of thanks to Mr.
Millward for hi interesting lecture, and to Mr. Dignan for
his able concl4ct in,the chair.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE. OF LORDS.-MONDAY.
BILLS.

The Indictable Offences (Metropolitan Districts) Bill
passed through committee.
The Mutiny Bill, and the Marine Mutiny Bill, and the
County Court Bill were read a second time.
The Convict Prisons Abroad passed through committee.
The House then adjourned at half-past five o'clock.

HOUSE OF .COMMONS.—MONDAY.
• GALWAY STEAM-PACKET COMPANY.
Mr. Conyngham gave notice that to-morrow he should

ask whether it is the intention of the government to grant
any subvention to the Galway Steam-Packet Company.
LORD CANNING'S DESPATCH.
In reply to Mr. Salisbury,
Lord Stanley said, that no reply had as yet been received
from Lord Canning to the despatch of the 9th Decemb6r.
When such reply arrived, it would be laid, as other replies of
the same kind had been, upon the table of the- House.
IRISH BEQUESTS ACT.
In reply to Mr. Ennis,
Lord Naas said, that it was the intention of the govern-
ment to bring in a bill during the present sesssion to amend
the Irish Bequests Act.
GOVERNMENT REFORM
BILL.

Mr. Disraeli moved the second reading of the Represen-
tion of the People Bill.
Lord J. Russell rose to move the amendment of which
he had given notice —" That this House is of opinion that
it is neither just or politic to interfere in the manner pro-
posed in the bill with the freehold franchise as hitherto
exercised the counties in England and Wales, and that
no re-adjustment of the franchise will satisfy the House or
the country which does not provide for a greater extension
of the suffrage in cities and boroughs than is contemplated
in the present measure." It behoved the House in such a
matter to consider every step it took, and to take care that
it did not advance in a wrong direction. He was encouraged
in the course which he now pursued by knowing that two
of the most eminent members of the government had re-
tired 'from it, as holding in many respects the opinions
which he believed himself. He referred to the opening
clauses of the bill, which recognised the- principle of uni-
formity of suffrage in counties and boroughs. To
this he objected first, as a complete change in the

constitution of the country, and as depriving
a large class of persons of rights which they long exercised.
The small freeholders placed great value on the antiquity
both of their property and of their rights, and of these last
they were deprived for no fault or delinquency of their
own. Many of the freeholders had purchased their freehold
for the express purpose of voting for the county.. In the
next place, by this proceeding a character would be given
to the representation of the counties different from that
which it would have otherwise, depriving it of much of its
liberal and commercial element. Again, by the change, a
state of things was created under which the boroughs
might be flooded with voters. Hitherto the £lO house-
holder had formed a check to the influence of the great
proprietors in the boroughs ; but when the powers were
given of forming 40s freeholders in the boroughs to any
extent, the independence of the borough was destroyed.
They might have two great owners of property creating
faggot votes one against another. He looked upon this
clause as virtually repealing the Reform Act, and restoring
matters to the position in which they were before that
measure. He instanced the borough of Liskeard, at present
a small but independent town, but which, under the bill,
would be sure to fall under the influence of great proprietors.
Since the earliest period of our representative system, the
freehold in the boroughs conferred a vote for the counties.
In another point of view, the destruction of the difference
of qualification between counties and boroughs was paving
the way to electoral districts. The counties seeing the
small boroughs put on an equality of voting with them-
gelves, with so much smaller a number of voters, would
demand that the boroughs should be merged in the county,
by which the principle of electoral districts would at once
be established. If the present Conservative government
desired electoral districts, at which even Mr. Bright
recoiled, let them adopt the principle openly. He read ex-
tracts from previous speeches of Lord Derby in 1854, declaring
that to create 'difference of voting in counties and boroughs
would be to subvert the Constitution of the country, and
asked why he had thus changed his opinions. The princi-
ples, he repeated, would create great dissatisfaction, increase
the powers of nomination, and lead in the end to the
establishment of electoral districts.. Coming to the second
part of his resolution, he declared that' he did not want any
violent change in the electoral principle ; but, while they
respected what was old, they must provide for what was
new. Since the Reform Bill a great improvement had
taken place in the condition, knowledge, and social habits
of the people. It was a rule with us to place power in
hands fitted to hold it. This was the principle of our jury
system, and it was upon this principle he was opposed to
manhood suffrage. There was a part of the people liable to
be led by illusions, or, being indifferent as having no stake in
the country, to be subject to caprice. But, he contended, since
1831 persons occupying tenements below £lO yearly, were
perfectly qualified to exercise the franchise in consequence
of the growth of intelligence among the people. This was
an opinion which he had long entertained, feeling that
great discontent would arise, as those fitted for it were not
now admitted to the privilege. It was on this account he
had himself in 1851 proposed an extension of the franchise,
though he would not say what that franchise should be on
the present day. That was a question for the Government.
He had not shrunk from expressing his opinion when in
,office. He would now say he objected to rating as a test
as an uncertain one. If any change was made it should
have been according to the, principle of the Reform Bill
—the yearly value of occupation. He vindicated the course
he had adopte d of. proceeding by resolution, He con-
sidered the bill noxious, injurious, and dangerous, but
it had some provisions deserving support, such as the
£lO occupation franchise in counties, and for that reason
he did not move a direct negative to the bill. This,- how-
ever, was not the real principle of the bill ; that principle
was to be found in the uniformity of franchise, and he de-
manded that the house should mark its sense of that
principle before proceeding to the second reading of the
bill. He reprobated the proposal of letting a bill of so
much importance go into committee, and then proposing a
mass of amendments, as unworthy the Government, degrad-
ing- to the dignity of the house, and likely to produce a
bill injurious to the interests of the country. He protested
against their being frightened by a threat of dissolution in
a. matter which vitally affected themselves and their des-
cendants. For his part he would not be afraid. Let them
hold up their bill upon every hustings_ in England; but
if an unexpected agitation shonld arise out of such a
movement, let the responsibility rest upon Her Majesty's
Government. As for the declaration that the preservation
of peace depended upon the tenure of the foreign office by
Lord Malmesbury, he wondered who could be the dupes
who would believe it. He defended himself from the charge
of being actuated by party motives. Since 1829 he had
taken a deep interest in the representation of the people,
and he might still be privileged to do so by his deep con-
victions. The Reform Act had been productive of the
greatest benefit to the country. He enumerated the impor-
tant measures which had followed that measure, thus
falsifying the adverse predictions which were made against
it. Upon these grounds he should oppose the present
measure, careless if any imputation should be made against
him. He had defended reform when he was young, and
he would not desert it now that he was old.

Lord Stanley objected to Lord John Russell's resolution,
brought forward in 1835, against the Irish Tithes Bill,
introduced by.the then government—a resolution which had
the effect of defeating the ministry, but the principle upon
which the resolution was founded, was then suffered to drop,
and an attempt was made by the noble lord to enforce it.
At present the time was peculiarly fitted for the discussion
of a moderate reform bill, and the house ought to think
twice before they took a course which would inevitably
postpone it, at least for the present, and further the views of
the agitators, who desire that the question should continue
unsettled. lla referred to the numerous attempts made to
introduce a measure on the subject, and after eight years
of promises, the present government had for the first
time since 1832, asked the house to agree to a reform
bill. He reviewed the objections to the bill - that
it did not provide for a sufficient extell3ion of the franchise,
that it did not deal properly with the small boroughs, and
that it proposed identity of suffrages. He objected to the
Molution of Lord J, Russell. that it-did not permit the

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nottsr-tcr express-a- direct- opinion, and was ingeallo,
framed so as to obtain an unjust verdict from those iv 110„,,,
particular objections to certain parts of the bill.
tos
question now was not whether the bill should els lu
law, .but whether political powers should pass into other_,
hands. Last year it was true they adopted the plot;
proceeding by resolution in respect of the India 8i11,,,, to
that bill was an exceptional one. The principle coiau of
now be adopted, and the acceptance of the resolution,,
Lord John Russell by the House would be regarded hi!,
Government as fatal to the bill. He contended that 3
laded
class of the working men would be incared
in the provisions of the- bill. Ho eerilthil
in this respect the present bill with , e
of 1854, contending that the former was the more liberPtt,
the two in many respects. The objections taken t°_,ce
savings' bank qualification, that a depositor might rel'iti re,
his money, applied equally to all qualifications. NC or.
gard to the question of small boroughs
of disfranchisement had been proposed', it would hivqoll
duced an amount of opposition which would have !I I
fatal to the bill. The question of enfranchising'. °_.01,4
larger scale would then be raised, which would incl,po
the question in great difficulty. He defended the pi? the
of identity of suffra on the ground that without lt Igo
would always be a. dissatisfied' class, who would elPtoil
that their rights were overlooked, and that they wereil' 0
treated. If they were creating the franchise for the dir
time, they would never have established these arbitrloiott
if any large me to.
tinctions. By. establishing identity of suffrage, the e,lees fot
of new and resin towns from returning representVio the
themselves was greatly lessened. With regal.° to tbe
transfer of the 40s. freeholders from 'the count). „poi
borough, he regretted that the amendment to be Prhvc 0
by Mr. Disraeli was not introduced originally iot°.t'of. JO
But he contended on the principle that the P0w.e.,1;,d7
voter was greatly increased by the transfer, as the IT' ~lao
vote had more weight in the county than in the b°r'arir
He denied that the bill would give' any power t
the por
tocracy, maintaining that it gave an incre,ased Pre
- Atif

deranee to the middle -classes. f
Vital
Mr. H. G. Start protested against the sacrifice
rights by any portion of the community. °beat to
,
what the people in this country had done °b eat
should not be trusted? At home and ah $
had conducted themselves admirably. Alt-104
Conservative he should support extension of the .
dew
believing that a large portion of the working elits'74elw
well fitted to use it ; but he should vote against the, qltite
tion which would only defer all reform. It vrouldZ'ise
possible in committee to move any resolution whicro 5113
be thought necessary. The Government had hither-A be
itself willing to meet its opponents half was, 311-roolPi;
not see why the bill should not be transformed ill,"aanis-
tee into a sufficient measure. Lord John Russell '-to ?t
a dexterons party move, which he must decline fit-
The noble lord would have much difficulty in dealiSteß
his own supporters, if he succeeded, who would tl°'

demand the ballot from him.
Lord Bury admired the sentiments of the h°1,1,;01..,°:";
who had just sat down, but dissented from his CO 111,4'
When a Government was in a sorry case, it alss,liecol'e'il
the cry of faction. The present Government ha" riaticek
in power by the expectation that they would Pr" to ,'
efficient reform bill, and if they failed the
the they could not complain if they lost '"govri,
port of their supporters on that side of tll,B
The true object of reform was to admit the Nori-no ie.':
to their share of power; the middle classes Iccre„:coll;
provided for. The present bill failed in this gre'rilco,
tion, and he must therefore oppose it. IV
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unsettled everything and settled ii b othine. of the
Mr. Tier Seymer, admitting the great success acieo4`,4
Reform Bill, attacked the working classes as Tbef g+
political knowledge' sbundness, and prudence.
too often actuated by narrow and selfish Yied
regretted the clause in the bill which deprive but
freeholders in boroughs of their county votes, lit
approved of the other provisions of the measure. too, ri
Mr. Alderman Salomons supported the res°lns' did
must refuse his support to any measure Nflale"
recognise the claims of the working classes. urssa
Mr. Liddell said that the Government had
skill in reconciling the opinions of their oval 'ooo' is
with the provisions of a measure, which fotlyt
content the sincerest advocate of moderate rceid
the other side of the house. He contentio
the bill enfranchised the most deserving of the
ing classes. He defended the principle of the 131, s. e,
which a man voted where his property was sittla'afliciePol
theless, he feared that the measure was not sn ittee
settle the question' and he should support in cotooi Ma
amendment which tended to that end. f the ec
Sir C. Wood objected to the main principle ,°,,,,y1r01
which he considered so obnoxious, that he _isP,l" 10,40
having no bill at all to its adoption, which Wow' ft7sl4
of necessity to the creation' of electoral districts.. vriay
fact one of the most revolutionary and danger°ll'„tthe;„.ir,
ever submitted to that house. The adoption hole
franchise, as was in counties, would throw the 1r,110!,,, 1
ence into the hands of the landed proprie d 41.
thus create any number of voters h I as° '
tey p e 0. f
similar result would follow the creation of the 4 '.isr °,413
tore, -01 Vs
in the boroughs. On the other hand, the trai.l:s 'rot
present 40s borough voters from the CO '0;
deprive these last of one-fifth of their constiteelc (la 10
the most independent portion. The worst feat .o
system which prevailed before the Reform Bil''doetoo.
restored by the present measure. If the houeec'essill'
resolution, it would be competent for the g° 1118
to
include it in their bill. bts cre
Mr Horsman said that he had previous d°tl ft/0
propriety of the resolution, and those doubts Iver.;flee
by the speech they had just' heard. Their esPeof,,,!-s. avel
success of abstract resolutions was not encourae,"; a dot,,,
bill ,was as represented; 'why was it net met ""sts, "„,"01
negative ? He pledged himself to his constitl saP
the forthcoming bill was a good one, he wol-I,A•ii, he i?
without regard to its parentage; if it was a bad "lids 1000
endeavour to amend it in committee, but he Nc°.oao,lo:3
in any party move against it. The subject w3ilos o' stet
could only be settled by the honest co-oper,l, Pre
sides of the house. Opportunity was advalrniol s is?
settlement of the question ; the Liberal party wes to fool
majority in their favour, and it was in their p? 0 of t,
it what they pleased in committee. The questin°f
'
had long been kept dangling before the eye„',oll7sl,,,°
try, and it was dangerous to wait till the natl—soall V
were excited. Was the opposition to the 1941,000.600 i
n,„ 11131
,essa
any unanimity of opinion or common basis °' 't to !Os,
them pause before they did what was eq aivale
mary rejection of the bill. He blamed the NA; ro 17'1;
been laid down, exceptionally, on parliamentlilisllP
that it was not to be dealt with gr 3
at once and for ever. The questioa, .beral
be settled without the ballot. Three 05erf,ite2
ministrations had tried and failed, and not
ans
Administration brought forward a measore;.,seo,eooA'
them to amend it in committee. It was so "nipre"
could be made a more liberal, popular, and co
socethe
measure than any which had been proposea„is notosals
By a few short and simple amendments he C°t; tbe,csoo;
fore think that they could excuse themselves,c sic'," re
for throwing it into that confusions which tw'nrrt 01; oo
this measure would entail. He could not sal tot
thud t
lution, as he did not believe that they poiate eat d
blot in the bill
i ose neither did he believe that theila tboto,
be amended n committee. It might be oleo
would have sufficient unanimity to carry th
in committee, if so, how could they be exPee„ted by
• at
out the present Government to carry
an
of their own ? _ the j
e;
C

Mr. A. Mills thought that by adopting. "„t of ".of,ft;j
they would be trifling with the great subJe'oe tbete 1
He believed that there was a general wish ;Olt
the country to allow this bill to 0 jut° ° 014
not to delay the measure till succeeding
Mr. R. Hugessou said, that no Reler:L Ffir
satisfactory to the country which did rier e•Y I
extension of the franchise, and a re•distribtincither tro
He opposed the present measure,eh did rti°ll
.4bo
tually. Rather than accept the .miseouLe 0 ref ° .4
presented to them, he would prefer top ostpon
a" 01
gether for the present.
M. Newdegate said that the governineat,:ciepree of
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their own difficulty, by, adhering. to this Prcl the Crcl
formity of suffrage. He had himself arrhe
tives to propose a measure of reform, an ;soils I,l6elltif
supported any measure not containing 'r°v"bl -
objectionable. But he could not vote for ova c
a provision which would be fatal to 04r.ioas ,t„°eser(ti:
tion, as it had already been inJullst ,tenser
oeo_,,re
of France and America. He protested ag3lithe de ffr3o
tive government forcing upon its followersality of .00,
principle. How could they adopt eVresctPtiod'il
without going further towards equality reP louse ol'
entreated the government not to fetter theisio, Oa
party by maintaining an arbitrary pro' thAtA
on both sides of the house. e doetriae' 601;ei
Lord Robert Cecil protested against th , be ue
influence of property in elections cough'lting 401,
destroyed. It was absurd to talk of adel!' ;0•1•
-ton
orders to a share of power. It was a clue' not, a+ to ',de
on the part of those who now possessed it etigh" for-0
It had been publicly declared by those wil°d beealiet
the confidence of both, that an alliano,ll..assell. °font;
between John Bright and Lord John D,.`sneli an °a
house seriously Consider the consequence 01 sal
On the motion of Mr. Wilson, the debate "

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The County Prisons (Ireland) Bill
BILLS 05 00011/3
forma. $
The Savings Bank (Ire B'llwas 113
re'
time.
The A p
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tiGeinnevreanl
tiobtained°
The remaining business wx3 disp-
adjourned at 12,35. of laeavo
regulate to brine,

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