Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-04-05 00:00:00

let them take the earliest ..
ty. The house would
concur with them in facilitatineatuni
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be no motion for delay, and he trusta°ments, There could
position to dissolve before Easter. Parllan? ~they would be in a
the earliest moment after the writs are determingkt to meet at
must do, as the supplies granted could be only praz this they
again repeated his regret that the country had now be:all...Hi!
the inconvenience of a dissolution, when a second resolution it,'..' ",,
follow, for the purpose of bringing into effect that Reform whiCh
this or some Government must introduce.

Mr. Bright said that the Government had trken the course they
were bound to take by the constitutional and Parliamentary
practice of the country. They had been defeated by a most iinpor-
tant majority on a most important measure. He did not share in
the fears expressed by Lord Palmerston as to the danger of refer-
ing this question to the constituencies. If they could not trust the
present constituencies how could they trust the constituencies
on a more extended basis. He, therefore, applauded the steps
now taken. Were they to understand that the Government
declined to undertake a future measure of reform. He was not
sorry for this, as he thought they had done foolishly in making the
pledge at all, but he protested against the cry attempted to be got
up by Mr. Disraeli, that his was the conservatiue measure, while
that which would be introduced by his opponents was to be a
revolutionary measure. For himself, any measure he should pro-
pose wouldbe in strict accordance with the principles of 1832—the
landmarksi laid down by statement of the highest eminence for sixty
years. Was it revolutionary to call upon them to pass a measure
in accordance with the principle to keep in view the number,
weallh, and importance of the population. He warned the censer=
vatives against heralding such a charge, against their opponents on
the hustings, or by their Press. They knew which side the
numbers were, and if they dared the contest to the utmost, they
must take the consequence. He repeated his approval of the measure
of the Government, trusting that the new house would enable such
Government as should be formed to pass a moderatebut substantial
measure, which would satisfy the country and prevent the future
disturbance of the question, at least during the lives of the present
generation.
Lord J. Russell vindicated the course he had pursued in proposing
his resolution. The right hon. gentleman talked of the peace of
Europe, but he had, on the introduction of the bill, declared tnat
it was snperior in importance to a question of peace or war. If
they believed that the consequences of discussing the bill would be
. fatal to the' peace of Europe, they ought not to have introduced it.
But he did not believe anything of tbe kind. He did not agree
with Mr.. Bright, that the question should be referred to
the country; on the contrary, he thought the present garl*ment
was perfectly competent to deal with it. CoUsidering the many
risks involved, they should have exerted every attempt to pass a
proper measure before they adopted their present course. Referring
to the terms of his resolution, he declared that he had made it in-
vague terms designedly, as it was not intended to settle details.
He rejoiced that the bill of the Government had disappeared, as
leading to changes more important than its supporters imagined.
He sketched out the basis of a measure of his own. He would
retain the basis-of the actual constituencies. He would adopt the
£lO county, occupation franchise, and approve of many of those
which were called fancy frachises. As to the boroughs he would re-
duce the present yearly value of Lie to £6. He thought that
the parliamentary and municipal franchises ought not to be
identical. He further thought that a larger number of the working
classes should be introduced into Parliament. This would, he
believed, form a better and sounder basis of representation than at
present. He Would not interfere with the privileges of the free-
men. The question of disfranchisement and re-distribution of seats
ought to be made the Subject -of a separate measure. It was
environed by difficulties of every kind. He would now say that he
would take 26 members from the 26 least populous boroughs, now
returning two members, who, with the four seats now vacant,
would give 30 seats for the large centres of population. He
protested against the language so strongly held by the Ministry,
in which they had declared that the franchise ought not to be
lowered, and the working classes, not further admitted to the fran-
chise. He, with Lord Palmerston, urged that the new parliament
should be summoned at the earliest moment. As for the ballot, he
would only say that if any ministry introduced a measure with a
clause for, the ballot, he should vote against it.
Mr. Drummond said that if the measures proposed by Mr. Bright
were noerevolutionaxy, there was no meaning in language.
Mr. Horsman approved of the course taken by the government.
Mr. Deedes blamed the government for having introduced a bill,
and for not withdrawing it, when they found that the bill thus in-
troduced was not satisfactory to the house. He approved of the
course adopted by government of dissolving parliament.
Mr. Newdegate gave his reasons for objecting to the uniformity of
franchise proposed in the late bill. He thought that the Govern-
ment ought to have withdrawn their bill after the • expression of
opinion on the part of the House, and lamented the present prema-
ture appeal to the country.
Mr. W. Patten urged the immediate dissolution of the House,
which there was nothing on the order-book te prevent; and asked
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to state his opinions more
definitely.

Mr. Bentinck protested against the threats put forth by Mr.
Bright. •

Sir Minto Farquhar was glad to find that no unconstitutional
mode was to be pursued in order to prevent the dissolution of the
present Parliament. He declared, as a Conservative, that he was
not afraid of an appeal to the country.
Colonel French asked the government to state when the dissolu-
tion might be expetted to take place.
Sir F. Smith regretted that they were not at that moment discuss-
ing the Reform Bill in committee, believing that an excellent
measure might have been produced.
Sir D. Morreys did not think the liberals sufficiently united to
form a government, though they made an excellent opposition.
Lord Elcho asked Lord J. Russell what he meant by a new pro-
posal for enfranehisingthe working classes. '
Mr. B. Osborne warned the government to expect the conse-
quences now that they had set the ball rolling, and urged union
among the liberal party.
After some observations from Mr. Ball, Mr. Wilson, and other
members, in respect to the business to be transacted before the dis
solution.

MANNING THE NAVY.
Sir C. Napier asked when the report of the commission for
Manning the Navy would be acted upon.
Sir J. Pakington said it would be acted upon as soon as an order
in council could be issued. _ _

Mr. Cogan hoped that any future Reform Bill would be considered
as an imperial question, and asked Mr. Spooner whether he intended
to bring forward his motion respecting Maynooth.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer expressed his surprise that it
should be doubted that it was the intention to summon the new
Parliament as soon as possible. It would assemble at the earliest
passible moment. As for the time when the dissolution might be
expected to take place, he believed that it would be shortly before
Easter. He declared that from the first the Government had
reenlved in ite present determination. Ilc denied that he had over-
said that the opposition to his bill was dangerous to the peace of
Europe. It was the irregular conduct of Lord J. Russell,
which affected the peace of Europe. He had made this statement
before, and he deliberately repeated it. With regard to the business
of the house, he trusted the Superanuation Bill would be allowed
to pass. Referring to the speech of Lord Palmerston, he denied
that he had declared any intention of declining all further measure
of reform. All he said was, that he had fulfilled his pledge on the
subject, and was not bound to bring forward a measure at the
meeting of the new Parliament.
• THE MAYNOOTH GRANT.
Mr. Spooner said that it was his intention, to-morrow, to bring
forward the subject of Maynooth:
The motien for adjournment was then withdrawn.
Amts.
Lord Stanley moved the third reading of the East India Loan
Bill, observing that more money would be • required, bdt that it
was due in great part to the disappointment as to the expectations
of sums to be raised on loans in India. He bore testimony to the
prospects of increasing revenue from trade in India.
Mr. Vansiltart, Mr. Crawford, Sir C. Wood, Sir G. Lewis, Mr. T.
Baring, Colonel Sykes, and Sir H. Willoughby continued a some-
what prolonged discussion,
After which the motion was agreed to, and the bill was read a
third time and passed.
The Debtors and Creditors Bill was read a second time.

The Savings' Bank (Ireland) Act Continuance Bill was read a
third time and passed.
Lord Naas moved for leave to bring in a bill for carrying into
effect the report of the Comnalssioners appointed to inquire into the
state of the municipal affairs bf the borough of Belfast, in Ireland.
Mr. M'Cann opposed the introduction of the bill.
Lord Naas explained that his object was merely to have the bill
printed this session.
Leave was then given to bring in the bill.
The remaining business was then disposed of, and the House
adjourned at ten minutes to twelve.