Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-12-24 00:00:00

WEST DERBY BOARD OF GIJAEDIANB.

This Board met yesterday, at r,187 dtt o'clock, at tbo
Workhouse. to dispose cf its us sal weekly business, Mr. H.
Edwards in the chair. Tlie other Guardians present were :
—Messrs. Abrahams:, Ledger, Parkin, Roberts, Metcalf,
Taylor, Shaw, Pitts, Lunt, Roscoe, I. Edwards, Mawdsley,
and Almond.

Mr Davie, the Master of the Hospital, reported that the
number of patients in that establishment last week was
123 ; admitted, 9 ; discharged, 21 ; died. 2. Thie week,
109 ; corrcanoading week last year, 123 ; 30 of whom
belonged to Toxteth-park. Mr. Gough reported the num-
bers in the Workhouse lar:t week as 696 ; admitted, 39 ; born,
2 ; discharged, 18; died, 3. This week, 716; correspond-
ing week last year, 690; belonging to Toxteth-park, 415
The cheques granted for cut-door relief, were as fol
loans officer Potts, £125 ; Olney, £32 ; Lythgoe,
£24,

Mr. Shaw moved, in accordance with notice g7ven
last week, that notice ba served on all guardians when
any matter of importance was to be brought before the
Board.

Mr. I. E 'wards seconded the motion, remarking that
this would be a check on all attempts at jobbery. The
motion was unanimously carried.
Mr. Shaw observed that he had received a report of the
case of the Guardians of West Derby Union a. James
Goodwin,'' and he begg.,d to say that there were senti-
ments in those affidavits, given by gentlemen in that
Board, which he, as a guardian, entirely disag,eed with.
Mr. Cleaver, as one of the gentlemen alluded to, said,
he did not ask Mr Shaw for his opinion.
The Chairman asked Mr. Shaw what his objections had
to do with the matter, as they were not bound to consult
him before making thp.. affidavits.
Mr. Pitts remarked that they were special affidavits.
Mr. Shaw said he merely wi4ied to say that he, as a
guardian, did not agree with all the particulars of the
affidavits, lest it might ba thought they came fr,ra that
Board as a body.
Mr. I. Edwards asked the chairman if the expences of
the trial were borne by that Board.
The Chairman thought Mr. Edwards should have known
better than ask such a question, as every mater connectel
with the house was brought before the guardians.
Mr. 'Adger said be had got a copy of the report before
alluded to, and one thing he drew from it was. the pro-
priety of continuing the •' Officers Committee" as it was
called. This, he thought should be taken into considera-
tion. The highest authorities on the bench, Judges
Campbell, Wh,tmora, and Coleridge, said it was illusory.
He would therefore hope that some steps could be taken
to do a way with such a committee.
The Chairman, as a member of the officers committee,
said he had no ambition whatever for its continuance.

Mr. Taylor sail that all committees should be open for
all ; that the whole board should be on every committee.
They should not pick out a lot of names, merely to serve
a purpose. [Mr. Taylor was addressing himself warmly
on this subject, when some sounds of laughter were heard;
Mr. Taylor turning to his left and observing Mr. Pitt with
his head down, said, Mr. Pitt need not be grinning and
sneering there, he did not like that manner of laughing
and jeering with his heal down, just like some porcupine
watching his prey. He liked to see a man holding
his heal up—like a man. Here Mr. Taylor
gave a forcible illustration as to how this should be done,
by throwing his head back a cunsiderable distance beyond
the perpendicular of his body. Generalg laughter and
cries of order followed this performance.]
Mr. Taylor being brought to order,
Mr. Roberts gave a notice of motion that the resolution
appointing the officers' committee be rescinded.
The Chairman here remarkad that the duty of the corn-
mit•ee was simply to investigate cases of dispute previous
to their being brought before the board, and there wore
many trivial charges made by the officers which that com-
mittee might dispose of, and save the Board a great deal of
time and trouble.

Mr. Ledger again complained of the non compliance of
the relieving officers with a resolution of the Board, in
reference to their attendance at the workhouse, but it was
found, on investigation, that the doorkeeper had not
entered their names as they came in and went out, through
a misunders'anding of the orders he received.

Mr I. Edward;lere rose again, and said that he ha d
asked the chairman whether the expanses of the suit at the
Queen's Bench. between Birch and Goodwin, were to ba
paid by that Board. Several papers had published the
trial as belonging to that 'Lard, now, he wished to know
whether this Ivas the case or not.

Mr. Cleaver replied, that the Board had no connection
with it whatcver.

Mr. Ledger, in reporting the rotults of the deputation
that waited on the Vicar, in reference to the Burial Ques-
tion, said that they had a long conversation with the Vicar,
the charge was not excessive, and we conceived also that Mr.
Pitt had been misinformed. Re told them that the passing
bell was never rung. Now the Vicar told them, in that
decided and solemn tone, 80 that they could not possibly
disbelieve him, that the bell had been rung in every case,
fir thirty years, to his knowledge, and he believed a
considerable time before that. They could not enter into
any lawsuit in this matter. They were not going to take
it into some Ecclesiastical Court at the ezpense of the
ratepayers. It would be very unseemly, he thought,
especially as the same fees had been charged to everybody
else, for the last 50 years. Under the c,rcumstances, he
would move that the amount now duo be paid, and any
propositions might be made after that,

Mr. Abrahas seconded the resolution.
Mr. Pitts maintained that 5s 61 was the full amount of
fee they were legally entitled to. When he spcko to the
Rector on this matter, he was told that Is was charged
whether the bell was rung or not, thus admitting what he
believed, and what he had grounds for stating to be a fact,
that the bell was not al ways rung. It was only rung when
ordered, and no order had ever been given for that from
that Board. The Rector's and the V,car's statement did
not agree.

After some further conversation on the matter,

Mr. Roberts moved a, an amendment that Gs GI only be
allowed.

Mc, Pitts seconded the amendment, which was put and
Lost.

The original motion W4B then put to the Board, and
carried by a large majority.
This concluded the business for the day.

EX TENSIVE ROBBERY OF SILK DRESSES AT
MANCHESTER.

At the Southwark Police-court, London, on Tuesday,
John Townsend and Riza Townsend, man and wife, were
brought before Mr. Burcham, in. the custody of Inspector
Macki,tosh, and an officer, ot- the Manchester polio,
charged will being concerned, with others not in custody,
in stealing silk dresses of the value of n.ar £'loo, the
property of Mr. Samuel Holt, manufacturer, Manchester.
It appea ed that, a few dhys ago, the proveutor's
prernisas were robbed to a considerable erent of a vast
number of fashionable dresses, by some person in their
employ, an 1, it being suspee':.ed that the property had
been removed to LeFldot, a telegraphic message was fer-
watt' :d to the metropolitan police. In cons: lence of
that, suspicion attached to persons residing in the Wstriet
cf this court, and the resuit was that the prisoners were
given in-o custody. Sergeant Sanford, of the Manchester
police, said that, at an early hour that morning, he went
to No. 22, Thomas-street, London-bridge, and saw the
prisoners. They had just got out of bed, and he told them
ha suspected they were concerned in stealing a Lrge
quantity of vslin.ble dresses from Manchester. Tory denied
it, but, on his commencing to search the room, the female
handed him a new dres3, and under the bed he found
another. There was nothing inote to he found, and the
dr, sses being ident fled as a portion of the stolen property,
he teak the prisoners into custody. The actual thief was
not yet apprehended, Lot he had no doubt he was not far
off, as the female stated that two bixes were brought in a
c'.lo to her Louse, and they were opened, and contained
dresses. Two of them were given to her for the trouble of
taking care of them a ;Lae time. The mole p issuer
denied all knowledge of the property. Mr. John Smith,
salesman to Mr. Samuel Holt, manufacturer, of Manchester,
stated that their warehouse had been robbed of property
tiv:rth £l4O, and he entified the dresses produced as a
portion of the stolen property. Sergeant Sanford here
i-sk.td for a remand, to citnrounicate with Manchester con-
sequently the prisoners were ordered to Le b, ought up
claw.

VIOLATION OF THI SRCRECY CF TELEGRAPHIC MIS •
SAGES.—By a decision of the committee ,:f the Stock
Exchange ore Friday, the name of dr. C. H. Taylor Was
removed from the list of members. It appears that the
Submarine Telegraph Company have lately cischarged one
of the persons in their empioy in consequence of a dis-
covery that messages received from am cootinent_
especially, it is believed, thcss addressed to the government
—had been alroitly conveyed at the same time to other
parties. The practic , had been goieg on for a long
period, and the facts now brought to light have removed
'nary suspicions that had previously rested upon other
individuals. Mr. Taylor havin7 been alleged to have been
the receiver of these messages, the whole matter was
submitted to the stock Exchange Committee, and the
denial made not being deemed satisfactory, the resolution
that he should cease to be a membdr was adopted.— Times.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE-YZSTERDAY.

LIVERPOOL.
BEFORE MR. R. GLIDSTONE.

A NIGIIT'S Lore :la.—Two notorious ,swell moberhen,
named James Johnston and William Rosser, tv:io reside :.It,
a thieves' rendezvous in Circus-street, were brought np by
detective-officers Smith and Laycock, who charged them
with attempting to commit a burglary. It appeared that
for some time past there were several complaints of rob-
beries, co emitted in offices about North John and other
streets. It seemed that about seven o'clock in the evening
offices were entered, just before closing, and coats,
umbrellas, and anything that ceu'd be laid hands on,
stolen. The officers were, therefore, on the look-out, and
on Tuesday evening, at half past seven o'clock, they saw
the prisoners " trying" several office doors in North
John-street, and at last they came to the office door of
Messrs. Bates, Stoker, and Co., and while trying the door,
the officers seized them. Mr. Black, far the prisoners,
cross examined the officers, but their evidence was not
altered Mr. Bluck c3nteneel that the evi !since was not
sufficient to convict them of any offence, and he thought
the night's lodging that they had was more than sufficient
punishment. Ills Worship cautione 1 the prisoners, and
eischarge I them, when Mr. Bluck said he hoped the night's
lodging would improve the conduct of the prisoners.
ALLIGED ROBBERY OF £6O BY A CAPTAIN.—A man
named Alexander Gray, described as a captain of a ship
(not named) w s ch rged on suspicion of havirg stolen
£6O in gold from Deugeld M•Lachiin, carpenter of the
ship eionteagle. It appeared that a few days since, the
prisoner came as a passenger by a steamer from Con-
stantinople, and that he went to lodge at 99, Grafton-
street, Park, but had no money. he complainant went
to lodge at the same house, and on Mond ,y night the
parties slept in the same room About two or three in the
morning, a sailor named William Squince, ehowas lodging
in the house, was asleep on the kitchen floor, having lain
down there when drunk ; he was awoke by the prisoner,
who asked him to go out t 3 Everton with him; they went
into a public-house and then went towards Ewe-toe ; the
prisoner said he had 1(13., and on the way they met two
women and went with them to a house where they drank
nine gallons of ale; they remained there till 12 next day,
when the prisoner called the witness and said he had been
robbed. The witness sai 1 you could not be
robbcd, as you had only a few shillings;
he said, " Oh, you did not know what money
I hid ; I haea been robbed of a good deal of gold," and he
then took a handful of gold from his pocket. They then
went to a public-house, and the prisoner counted the
money, which amounted to £26 10. s. Two officers had
been previously called into the house to search for the
money, but they could not find any of it. They all were
under the impression that the money belonged to the
prisocer. The prisoner and witness then drove to the
lodging-hcuse, where the prisoner went to bed. He was
subsequently arrested by officer 4-84, who got some five
shillings on him. He told the officer that he knew where
the money wee, but he would not tell. He subsequently
said it was concealed under soma stones about the docks.
A couple of officers went with him, but he refused to show
where it was. The prisoner was remanded.
Coax STRALING.—Joseph Braley and William Babbing-
ton were charged with stealing seven sacks of wheat, value
£B. and John Farrell. a marine store dealer, at 6 Newport-
street, was charged with receiving the same. Laycock
and Eaton, two of the detective police, lied charge of tno
prisoners. Mr. Snowball was for Farrell, and Mr. Goedere
for the other two. It appeared, from a good deal of evi-
dence given, that the prisoner Braley was the quay clerk
of Messrs. Allan and Gillespie, and Babbington was his
deputy. They were discharging wheat from the steamer
Indian, and it seemed that Braley passed out the seven
bags with hi comrade, who soli them to Farrell for about
323 Farrell took the corn to the store of M'Ginnity, in
Li herland-alley, and offered it for sale, bu., M'Ginnity
refused to purchase it, and gave information to the police
that he suspected all was nor right. Farrell then took the
corn to a mill in Reg eot-street and got it ground, but just
as the last of it was in the hopper, the police want
in and seized the bags, and also got a sample of the wheat.
Mr. Snowball attempted to show that his client purchased
the corn in a legitimate way from a man in authority, and
that therefore there was no charge against him. The
defence set up by Mr Geodere for Babbington was that he
was sent by his superior clerk (Braley) to sell the corn,
and he tried to get Braley off en the ground that he took
the corn (alleged sweepit gQ) in lieu of money duo to him
for cartage, &c., by Messrs. Allan and Gillespie, and that
the corn was only for the feeding of some pigs belonging
to Mr. Gillespie. This part of the defence was utterly
disproved by a gentleman from the office of Messrs. Allan
and Gillespie, and the prisoners were remanded, Bobbing•
ton was allowed cut on bail i❑ two sureties of £lO each,
and Farrell in two of £2O each.

Daniel Hay?, an inmate of the workhouse_ and Ellen
Doherty, were f7ent tor trial on a charge preferred against
them by Mr. Carr, the governor of Ole workhouse, who
saw the man fling sheets, drawers, and other thing,i out of
a window into the yard, where the woman WAS waiting to
receive them.

D &TAMING SEAMENB' MONEY.—Janeßobinson, a boarding-
hmge keeper in Cleveland-square, was summoned
under the 235 section of the Merchant Shipping Act, for
detaining 2 belonging to a sailor, named George
Osborne. Mr. Tyndall was for the Board of Trade, and
Mr. Bluck for the defendant. The question at issue was,
whether the money was given to the defendant as a lean,
or to keep under the usual terms. The affair raclved
itself into a question of accoun`, and after a fall investiga-
tion, the bench made au order for the restoration of .ClO by
the defendant. Mr. Bluck h-ped the curt wonld not
inflict any penalty. A. fine of ls. only, and .E 2 15a. 4i ,
Mr. Tyndall's e)sts was imposed.