The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-03-05 00:00:00

TURKEY.

CONSTANTINOPLE, March 2' of
The Grand Council approves the statutes
the National Bank, and ratifies the concession to
Mr. Wilkins.

PERSIA.

The following is the text of the Finnan r
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in all the moseues throughout Persia, calling '
people to arms against the British
Actuated by our religious duties, and guided by our wisdom, we have ever regarded as a sacred 041 to
the faithful execution of our treaties of friendship, and
strict observance of their stipulations.
We have not violated the treaties existing betseeeb-ts
and the English Government. On the contrary,
we the •
always esteemed its friendship, and we have respected
treaties which are the most ancient ever contracted 0'
our Government.
Bat England, without any reason, has broken the treatief
which she had contracted with us. Her ships of war bays,
invaded the Fars (Persian Gulf) her troops m-ort
entered by an unexpected attack into our principailto
(Bender-Bushire ) Thus England paid no attention 'de,.
words of our Ambassador Extraordinary at Coustontnr,
who had a conference with the Ambassador of that Vreiir
nor the promises made for the purpose of preserving
tions of friendship and peace.
After acts so injurious, and threats uttered agak.--n 9t
to. In
Government in contempt of all justice, taY:ing -0e
consideration the hostility of the British Govr'rnrilen'Ve
wish to preserve intact our honour and our religinn'nv ri
place all our hopes in God, and we will
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lAIPERIAL PARLIANIENT.

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The
OF COMMONS—WEDNESDAY.
Tise Speaker took the chair at twelve o'clock.
ID "ere were very few members present, and no excite-
-11,11: 'r any kind was displayed. Mr. Baines and Mr.
,„ troy were on the Treasury benches, but no other
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the erS connected with the government were present at
sitting of the house. Mr. Massey, the Under Secre.
b r the Home Department, Mr. Cowper, the Vice-
-1•41' N for
of the Council on Education, the Attorney
th'eeral for Ireland, and Mr. Bouverie, the President of
0; Poor Law Board, entered the house about a quarter
an hour afterwards. Mr. Hayter came in at twenty
aibio
'es before one, and his appearance created something
Sensation" amongst the thirty or forty members
reihLwere present. After looking about the house for a
10, minutes the right hon. gentleman left. Mr. Baines
,t the house at one o'clock with the view, as was sup-
Posed.
tiler ,of attending a Cabinet Council. During this time
e were no leading members of the Conservative party
rte3llt, with the exception of Sir John Pakington, who
hal
Cen education bill on the paper, and Mr. Henley, who
I given notice of an amendment for postponing the
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Slderation of his friend's measure for six months. Mr.
41Pele entered the house later in the afternoon. The
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ilellester and Peelite parties were totally unrepresented
any men of mark amongst their number up to half-
--t elle, when Mr. Cobden took his usual seat.

SECOND READINGS.
The following bills were read a second time and ordered
be
be committed :—Caledonian Railway (running powers);
Ittl°rPe Turnpike Trust; A ldershott Railway.
Sir INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS BILL.
PetitNorthcote, after presenting a large number of
tc,„
thises from various parts of the country in favour of
moved its second reading.
teZr. Alcock moved as an amendment that the bill be
ate, second time this day six months, on the ground
tlip-e' I( was quite superfluous. There were district schools
el IlSbout the country which had been founded at great
ilettae, and which were very well managed, but if the
erapcsed schools were established for vagabond children
h had made themselves amenable to the law, those
"able district schools would be destroyed. The bill, if
Of yti
m into effect, would be a rival to the existing system
iCtleation, which he held to be a fair and liberal
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sy6l:l. It had been said that the system had been tried
rotl
and, and that it had proved successful. On
Per Point he could offer no opinion, but this he knew
bee 6Y well, that the poor rates in Scotland had
4011oubled during the last ten 'years. Ten years
ltt the Poor rates in that country were £300,000 a year,
11°
they were above .€630,000 a year. Under the
oee'sions of this bill a magistrate might send a child to
°f these schools, and the guardians would be called
to ,4 to Pay 3s a week, and then the authorities would go
'ee
ette earents and levy additional contributions to the
4," of another 3s a week. Did the house believe that
divan who refused to pay Id a week to the excellent
• Education,
schools subscribed to by the Committee of Council
alt4uocation, would submit to pay 3s a week to these
kieutal)to industrial establishments ? One effect of the
place would be that the persons who had children
tfitiL"l° such a position would go off to Australia or the
~,,e.rivotib. States, and leave their children chargeable to the
r, lc,
'isdfield seconded the amendment, as he preferred
tite-mtarY efforts to a compulsory system of any kind for
spread of education.
144 i'kliaines regretted that the member for East Surrey
ba.,;,7°4leht proper to oppose the principle of the bill,
0,7 in its details was open to a great deal of criticism.
etti,..4le part of the government he begged to express an
Ot;e4Pproval of the principles of the bill. Two years
AO he` had the honour to preside over a committee
w
Itited to enquire into the circumstances of the juvenile
eotillat Population and a great deal of most interesting
to the evidence was taken, which he recommended
"e attentive perusal of the hon. member for East
ootitdreY' as ui to his conduct in reference to the future
sa.,-,,tiet of the bill. Its principle had been adopted in
o sal Places, and wherever it had been tried it had
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Ilazter supported the bill. It was indispensable. for
;.`rety of society that we should lay hold
ed of destitute
hL' en before their hearts were harden, their con.
:oes seared, and their self respect was lost. Society
• rally now affirmed those principles, a state of things
teach was r'aiely due to those gentlemen who had
e 5 and 'proved ragged schools throughout the
Itall-; Y. Re admitted that if children were admitted
Ilisc);;I ,P re
ese schools without careful investigation and wise
ltete 4°lnation, they would turn the schools into a curse
ants ad Qf a blessing, would raise up a new class of crimi_
krerl Iv, Quid hold out a premium to the profligacy of
%ie44, and would banish that feeling of self reliance
would destroy the dignity which attached to the
bilit.:ieter of the poor in this country. He supported the
Ca° on the ground of economy. (Rear.)
ake'rvl Stanley considered that the principle of the bill
%tee 8° thoroughly sound, and the objects it sought to
14404;),11811 so thoroughly desirable, that he had no hest-
/at. 'll supporting it. It had been urged that if this bill
taleetyPaased parents would abandon their children in order
the t.e them chargeable to these industrial schools. If
elltiZeknts were paupers, the children would become
Ptopi-"ule upon the public, but if they were at all decent
tc* ' they would have: no objection to contributing
4.11::'S the reformation of their children. (Hear, hear.)
klee-lital to be charged upon the parents, if they could be
cleat Pay at all, was only that which would be suffl-
colikt.4l' the mere maintenance of .the child; and if they
ottis not be made to pay, the education and maintenance
ell" would be afforded gratuitously.
Ow, trrdon said he had had the opportunity of seeing
the 5:: 4111? of this system in Aberdeen. In 1841, when
titita-I:mustrial school was established in that town, the
kbe7 of juvenile delinquents committed to the jail of
ll'att:e°• was 61. In 1812 the number fell to 30. In the
t• h' Year some difficulties presented themselves, the staff
school wQs diminished, and the number of juvenile
Apt thlB rose to 63. Next year the establishment was
°ljlil ".
ri its former footing, and in that year the number
lag, -eTntie criminals fell to 41, and so it went on diminish-
laid 01848 the number was 15 ; in 1851, 5. He had mis-
alatt
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ut re'urns for the years since that time, but he could
Pithe house that the results were equally satisfactory.
Nye found that the system had worked so well. the
kee°,,llrse open to hitt was to support the bill.
Inteli'ewdegate was doubtful of the policy of the bill
elkautellded to a violation of parental authority. One
vat,'°f the bill rendered it possible that childrea who
their silty of no crime but destitution, which was not
akaelalitt, might be sent to the reformatories, thus con-
r., rIAR 14 a very dangerous manner poverty and crime.
`rtait;"°wYer opposed the bill on similar grounds. He
4ht:„.: that precautions should be taken against any unfair
e4ttr- "'Proselytism. The bill deserved the most mature
,/s.lsTet.,:ti°ll, and he did not think the house would be
the sufficient attention to the matter, inasmuch
lnt Goble lord at the head of the government had
to thme,.(l %embers that they would forthwith be sent back
Mr eonstituents.
tthe parlderiey thought that whatever might be the time
b-t
t11.1,144ent had to live, they should make the best use
tv,,Be%°PPortul'ties for passing a measure which the
here parliament had originated, and which he believed
kr. :114E1 be plenty of time to carry out.
41044 s "Lack, Mr. Spooner, and Mr. Palk supported the
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"t -"le latter gentleman, however, thought it was
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teti-
tlre applicable to agricultural districts where
Iteelt,rB frequently received not more than eight shillings
'Groat which nothing could be deducted.
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4 bill.' Strickland opposed the second reading of
ttl,_
tk qoh, 8 44-e was very much in favour of industrial
➢ nt), lona as they were conducted upon volun-
lt:', 11,1-'llleg, but there his zeal for them ended.
t}l4tll'tfir.oell/le of the bill was, that children were to be
r,a,ta the street, and a rate was to be made for
itlge n'itenance, a principle which he held to be
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eft and alarming. It would teach parents that
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Up w children
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' alutained, educated, e night
and supported atwould the

public expense. Instead of doing away with the evils which
at present prevailed, he believed the bill would have a
strong tendency to increase them. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. Pakington contended that the voluntary princi-
ple had failed to arrest the evils complained of. All
our great towns were swarming with miserable vagrant
children, and despite of all voluntary efforts which
had been made in their behalf, their number had not
been reduced, so that some fort of legislation on the sub-
ject of national education in a wise and liberal spirit,
sorb partial legislation as was no :v proposed would
have been unnecessary, bat as this had not been done
the house must deal with the facts as they arose.,
While he admitted the soundness of the general prin-
ciples of the bill, he objected to some of the details, par-
ticularly to that portion of it -which brought uuder the
jurisdiction of magistrates children who ought to be
inmates of national schools rather than reformatories
(Hear, hear.) He thought the bill encroached too
much on the one hand on what ought to be a national
system of education, and, on the other, on what was
properly the province of the poor law. (Hear, hear.)
He would heartily support the second reading of the
bill, leaving any objectionable portions of it that might
be found, to undergo discussion in committee.
Mr. E. Ball supported the bill, on the ground that it
was far cheaper to prevent crime than to punish criminals
He thought the measure would have the effect of greatly
improving the morals of the rural population.
Mr. Henley said it afforded him great pleasure to be
able to support the bill, which he thought should be
regarded as a supplement to the Reformatory bill. It
merely dealt with those classes who were liable to be
punished by law, and when it came into committee he
should propose to confine it entirely to that class. (Hoar,
hear.) The hon. member for South Devon had considered
that it would not have any ill effect upon the agricultural
classes, but it did not at all share that apprehension.
On the contrary, he felt obliged to the hon. baronet
fur attempting to secure these Arabs, for whom no
provision had yet been made. If they could get rid
of those or any portion of those unfortunate children,
it would be far easier to deal with the rest. He thought
he had heard the hon. baronet (Sir S. Northcote) ex-
press an opinion that the tendency of all our educa-
tional measures was to go upwards, and to leave un-
touched the lower classes of society, (Hear, hear.) There
could be no doubt about the truth of that view of the
case • and he could not see what objection there could
possibly be to going into committee on the question
(hear, hear.)
Mr. Barron opposed the motion. He felt as much as
any one the duty of sweeping our streets of that class of
children, who, under pretence of begging, were engaged
in crime; but he thought that should be carried out by
voluntary means, and not by such means of superfluous
legislation as the present. He admitted that they were
right in trying the experiment of reformatory schools,
but he thought they were departing from the principle
of those schools by giving to individuals a power which
ought to be exercised by constituted authorities. (Hear,
hear.)
Sir S. Northcote said his share in the merit of bringing
forward the bill was very small. He had merely endea-
voured to direct attention to measures Which had been
introduced by others, and which had sicce become the
law of the land. He might refer to measures which had
been applied to Scotland, and to one which Lord Shaftes-
bury had introduced relative to the metropolis. Com-
mittees had been sitting on this bill, and a large number
of societies in London and Birmingham had rendered
very material assistance in framing the bill, the object of
which was to consolidate the existing law upon the subject.
It contained nothing that had not in principle become law
already. It had been stated by the hon. gentleman who had
moved the amendment thatlegislation upon the point was
unnecessary, because the police at present took into custody
all vagrant chiidren, and sent them to district schools,
Surely the hon. member could not seriously use that argu-
ment—for not only did the police not take all such
children into their custody, but he (Sir S. Northcote)
very much doubted whether is was their duty. Now
such children as those for whom this bill was intended,
were not fit to be introduced into national schools; and
this statement he made upon the authority of school in-
spectors who had devoted great attention to the subject.
(Ile hon. baronet read several extracts from the reports of
inspectors in confirmation of his views.) The national
schools therefore did not provide such education as those
children/required. Well then, hon. gentlemen said, send
them to reformatories ;.but he must remind the house that
every child who was sent to a reformatory cost the country.
seven shillings a week. By the bill which he had intro-
duced he proposed to provide cheaper and more efficient
me, no. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Dunlop said he had great gratification that a bill
similar to that he had hid the honour of obtaining
for Scotland, had been introduced for England. He
approved cordially of the principle of the bill, and would
give it his hearty support. Every member for Scotland
would testify to the efficient working of the system in
Scotland, and he had no doubt that it would work equally
well iu England. (Cheers.)
Mr. Liddell appealed to the hon. gentleman who had
urged objections to the bill not to proceed to a division,
as he thought those objections referred to, matters of
detail which could be easily removed in committee. He
thought the bill might very properly be accepted upon its
broad principles of reclaiming a vast mass of young chil-
dren from the influence of misery and crime.
Mr. C. Fortescue supported the bill. As an Irish
member, he admitted the soundness of the bill, but he
thought children should be protected from religious
proselytism.
Sergeant S lee said, in the majority of instances these schools
would be Church of England schools, as they ought to be,
and he would rather that they should be taught Church of
England doctrines than none at all. He should like the bill
all the better if it made such provision and then went on to
provide for other classes of religionists. Ttie learned Sergeant
thought there was not sufficient protection in the bill against
religious proselytism.
Mr. Warne' denied that the schools would be Church
of England schools, and that chddren of any faith would be
admitted.

Mr. Alcock said he had no wish to divide the house, and
be should withdraw his amendment.
The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed to-morrow.

EDUCATION (CITIES AND BOROUGHS) BILL.

Sir J. Pakington said he postponed the order for the
seconCreading of this bill until this day week. Mr.
Hadfield and Mr. Miall having presented several petitions
against the measure.

COURT OF CHANCERY, (IRELAND) TITLES OF PURCHASERS)

BILL.

Mr. Whiteside moved the second reading of this bill, the
subject of which was to provide a security for the titles
of purchasers of estates in Ireland, under a judicial sale.
He had brought in the bill before, when the Government
of the day stated that they had a measure of their own,
and his was withdrawn, but the house never saw anything
of the Government measure. At present the law upon
this point was in a very defective state. A commission
had sat upon the subject, and it had reported that an
indefeasible title should be given under a judicial sale of
the Cnnrt of Chancery, and such a power it was npw his
object to afford, He thought the proceedure Mould be
more safe than in the Encumbered Estates Court/. A new
court of appeal would be created nuder the bill.
The Attorney General for Ireland objected to the
Measure as being calculated to undermine the Encumbered
Estates Court, which was one of the most beneficial
institutions that Parliament had ever conferred upon
Irelanud—an institution to which, however, the hon. and
learned gentleman had never been a friend. He (the
Attorney General) would never encourage any measure
which would tend to destroy a system so happily es:
tablished. (Hear, hear.) He had been asked at the com-
mencement of the session whether he intended to in-
troduce any bill in reference to the Court of Chancery
in Ireland ; he stated candidly that he did not ; it
was his intention to give the Court of Chancery facilities
for carrying out its own reforms. The bill of the hon.
and learned member sought to perpetuate a principle—
that of masters—which that house had constantly con-
demned, and it was in that respect as well as in many
others highly objectionable, it was not his intention to
oppose the second reading, but if it were pressed, he
should, on the next stage its ;progress, give it every
opposition.
Mr. G. Butt supported the bill, which, aftar some
discussion, was read a second time, and ordered to be
committed.

Sir James Graham, Mr. Gladstone, and Mr. Sidney
Herbert were present for a few minutes during a later period
of the day.

The house adjourned at half-past nye.

CRIMEAN MRDALS. —On Tuesday, Stephen Cotter, the
keeper of the Albion beershop, lothillstreet, Westminster,
was charged before Mr. Arnold with having in his pos-
session two Crimean medals. The magistrate fined him
£5, the clsts, three times the value of the medal in one
case, and bound him over to come up for judgment in the
other when called upon. The magistrate said it was his
determination to inflict the full penalty, viz , a fine of £2O,
in all future cases.

THE MINISTERIAL DEFEAT.