Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-07-24 00:00:00

:CSC &LW, NEOUS BILLS

The Great Yarmouth and City of Gloncaster Election Committees
were sworn at the table. The Lords' Amendments to the cork and
Youshall Railway Bill were considered and agreed to.

EUPERiNNUATION BILL.

Lord NAAS moved the second reading of the Superannuation Act
Amendmelt Bill.

Mr. WlLea N rose. to oppose the bill. The gentlemen to whom it
had refereece formed a class with whitth he had been in close connec.

tion for nearly five years, and whose merits were ae'anowiedgad, but a
sense of public duty campelled him, with regret, to reset the farther
progress of the noble lord's measure. He proceeded to quote from
toe report of the Civil Service Commissioners, to thew that the
Civil Seriants had no grounds for complaint of a breach of agree-
ment on the part of the Crown, and couteeded that that being the
case, the question ass only to be considered as one of policy. A
revision of the salaries during the last five years, had led to a large
increase being made in the salaries, and consequently a large In-
crease upon the charge upon the public. In 1852, the salaries pay-
able in the Inland Revenue Customs, and Post-office. amounted to
£2,167,000, and last year they amounted io £2,406,000, showing
an increase of £239,C0). The principal objection to the
noble lon's Bill was that in the event of a complaint of
insufficient salary in any particular case a general increase of the
salaries of civil servants would follow. To the superannuation,
objection was made that a great number who contribatei never
received any becufit from it; but the question as in the case of
insurance, must be considered in the aggregate, and not as affecting
any particular case. He drew a comparison between the salaries in
the Bank of England and the Civil Service, showing that in the latter
the servants were better paid, upon the whole, than in the forms;
and sugeeeted that a complaint of
_a grievance in a
particular case should be made to the Treasury, who
were anxious to treat the civil servants with liberality.
The arguments in favour of the bill were not borne out by fact, and
ha believed that if is passed there wou'd be an increase of the expen-
aiture of the country in the next eight or nine years of .e30),00) or
.e 400,005. A committee which bora considerably on ihis eutij .ct was
now sitting, and he asked whether, under such circumstances, it was
decent to ask the Government to increase the public expendi ure,
seeing teat the Government admitted that the question could not
rest where it was, and that it would be the duty of the Government
to remedy the anoma ins referred to in the report of the comm.ssion-
ers? If the house in its wisdom thought fit to carry the measure,
it must be considered that it wan nat against the Government. but
'aino- she ,actinouted to the taxation of the county..
Air. CLIVE wished to know whether the matter was put iiefore the
civil serve Ste :Is an insurance or a deduction from sale y. If the
Government was willing that they slim:ad, as in the case'of insuranc,s,
receive the whole the amount coatribat:d, he matt give his vote in
favour of the bill of the inside lord.

Mr. WEGUELIS supported tne bill, and condemned the system of
making redue.tons from salaries for the farm .lion
funds. _ _

Sir F. BARING considered that the time had come when the question
should be settled, and that settlement should he liberal, hut objected
to the bill of the noble lord on the ground that it dealt with but a very
small portion of the report of the commissioners, and it was no settle-
ment at all.

Mr. S FITZGERA LD supported the claims of the civil servant., not as
a demand upon a con:ract, bat as an act of fairness and liberality.
He defended the bill, believing that the improvament in the efficiency
of the service would compensate for any additional expense thA
might be incurred.
Mr. W. W 11.1.142,13 thought the Government should have intro-
duced a well corvauered measure on this subject.
Mr. Rico, amidst manirestatio,3,3 of impatience and calls for a divi.
sion, i:rgued in opposition to the bill, anu continued his remarks till
four o'clock, when by the rues of the 'lrma, the debate adjourned.
The Turnpk, Acts Continuance Bill was read a second time. All
other morning business was disposed of, and the sitting was suspended

EVENING SITTING.
DIVISION Of NEW SOUTH WiLIIS.

S':r JOHN PAHINGTON presented a petition from the colonists of
Moreton Bay against the intended division of the colony of New South
Wales.

MILITARY LAW.

Mr. WARREN gave notice th t early rizixt session he should call
attention to the state of military law, and its administration by naval
and military tribunals . _ .

'The Edin-barg,, Canonzate, and Montrose Annuity Tfor Abolition
Bill was withdrawn by the Lord Advocate, and the order for the
second reading was discharged.

NEW SOUTII WALES AGAIN.

In reply to Sir Jour PAKtworosr, who put que'tions in regard to
the separation of Moreton Bay from the colony of New South Wales,
Mr. LABOCCHERE stated that in passing the Constitutional Act for
New South Wale , the Colonial Legislature provided for the possible
separation of Moreton Bay from the rest of the co ony. He had re-
ceived many strong petitions from Moreton Bay, to the effect that the
separation was desired, and he had thought it desirable to exercise
the power given for the purpose by the colony. The southern
boundary of the new colony would be axed about 70 miles from.
Moreton Bay, he be iev d between the 25th and 26th degrees of latitude
He did not understand that the colonists wished convicts to
to bs sent oat, and it was not intended to send out a single convict.
He had written to the Governor of New South Wales to bring the
subj!ctof the debt before the Legislature, and until an arrangement
between the two colonies lrid been effected, the order in Cou'ucil for
the separation would not b 3 issued.
• HOSPITAL AT :TETLEY.
In reply to Mr. Willcox,
Lord PALMERSTON said the Covertment had not altered their
intento a in re6a-d to the establishment of a hospital at Netloy.

THE AR AY IN INDIA.

Replying to an hon. membar,

Sir John ItAms DEN said that there h%d been an order sent home by
Sir Charles Napier to the Duke of Wellington, relating to the military
government of the Bombay army, but it would not be desirable to
make it public.

TIM.ORDER OF THE BATH,

On the motion for going into Committee of Snpp'y,
Lord Honiara drew attention to the existing practice of exacting
from officers appointed to the ,Irder of the Bath an engagement that
the insignia of the order should be returned after the death. He
also urged that the materials of the insignia should cease to be tinsel
and spangles, and should be distributed of the kind which officers
were competed to obtain by *purchase from jewellers.
Sir W. CODRINGTON also nrge.l the Government to present to officers
receiving the Order of the Bath a silver star in lieu of the tinsel one
now presented.
L,rd Per.sransxow eou'd not agree that the insignia of the order
presented by the Crown should not be returned at the decaase of the
recipient. The fees of the order had been done away with, because
it was not considered that officers who had earned distinction aboald
be put to any expense iu consequence, and he did not tee why the
same primiple shontd not apply to the star.

NEWS FROM INDIA.

In reply to Sir J.Elph nstone,

. . _ .
Mr. V. SMITH said that no news had been received from India by
the Australian ship &mil.
The House having gone into
COMMITTER OF SUPPLY,

The CIIiNCELLOR of the Esc a EQUEI4- proposed a supplementary
estimate for the Persian war of .£100,0,0, which he said would not
have been aske I for, but for the losses the Indian Treasury had buf-
fered in consequence of the late disturbances.
I , reply to Mr. W.
The CHANCE .xon of the thCHEQUER explained that as near as it
could be ascertained the total ex?ense of the expedition would be
£1,965,000.
After a brief discuso.on the motion was agreed to.

WiLsox proposed a vote of 590,000, to adjust the Recounts
with the East In Ha Compiny in rev,a,l to the war with China. There
would be but £30,00 a kel for, as the In.tian Government was in-
debted to ths Treasury to the extent of .£560,000.
This vote was al.o agreed t,, of er a ifiseussion.
On the vote of £7 123 to complete the expeieee of the General
Board of Health, there was much opposition.
Tho e'Annilttee divide)—
For the vo e „ „ 141
Against it .. .

Majority for the vote ............ ...... 111
On the vote r f £2,543 bei.ig proposed to compLte the Fund o. the
Ecele4ie,tical Commissioners, it was opposed by Mr. F. Trelawney,
an i the e :maiitte. divided—
F r the vote ...... • •
Against it

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T.Tsj)rity for the vote ...
Tike following votes were al.so ag eed t •
£ll.OBO t 3 mplete the snia ne.cessa y for deriving the char-„12,••
the Charity CC niniss,on io Nogland ant \Vales for
£1,911 or the Statute Law Commilsion.
£4 924 for the Civil Service Commission„
3 524 for various coirm's&ons.
£20,933 f.r e,penses under the p ;tent Law Amt.:J:l=mA Act; and
X 88,843 for tr.; Boa d of Fisheries in Sestla9d,
The CUATBAIAN reported prrgress, an t oh a too'
the Bankng 811 was real a th,rd time a,) a leave to sit again.
A new writ was ordered to issue, on Ibe r P4'Bed•
the City o ondon, in the room of ,! •Iton of Mr. HATTER, for
accepted the Chiltern Hundreos. ...sa tsothschild, who has
The House adjourned at a (11411 i,
or to two o'etrck.

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