Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-10-31 00:00:00

'Man has made some reference to the circumstances under
'which I became connected with the home administration
of "Indian affairs. When I took that office in May of
last year, it was an office of considerable labour, and of
.417 great responsibility. I may say to you frankly
now, that when I accepted it, I did so with no san-
guine anticipations so far as my personal interests
tvere concerned. (Hear, hear.) I thought that
myself was far less likely to promote than to forfeit
any little reputation I might acquire, but I accepted the
°ffice without any hesitation or doubt, because it seemed
''' me that circumstanced as the Government of the
'Country was, I had not, in honour, the option or the
Tight to refuse. (Cheers.) And gentlemen, after twelve
months of intimate connection with Indian affairs, I
-*venture to say, although it is not now the fashion to be
I:angUine upon that subject, that I am sanguine as to the
future prospects of British India. (Cheers.) Asiatics
e not so unlike Europeans as it is very often the fashion
sliPPose. Treat them fairly and kindly, and you may
lovern the natives successfnlly. (Hear, hear.) If we
„f° that, Which I fear we have not at all former periods
of our history done—if we treat the native princes
independent states with strict fairness and
Justice—if we abstain from rash and foolish inter-
meddling with with native customs and ideas,—if we open
higher industry and talent the opportunities for a
career than they have hitherto enjoyed,. and the
• rice of the British Government, and if we tarry out
.„„le,,_Policy which of late years has been initiated,—the
n•TrileY of opening out the country to British enterprise
)„--7 eaPital,—if those four conditions of Indian govern-
' shall
fulfilled, I am convinced that in a few years we
• 8i see -nothing of the financial difficulties which at
Present appear so formidable. (Loud cheers.) We
must recollect that the great cause of the financial ein-
arlament Of India is its enormous military expenditure,
gird the amount of that expenditure in future
gars, so far as the internal defence and protection
the -country are 'concerned, will mainly depend
.;4 whether you determine to adopt and carry out
;-(013,°1-icy of justice or a policy of coercion and force.
t;,,..uee,rs:) must apologise for trespassing out of the
us of domestic affairs, but the subject is one in
"'b I cannot help feeling deeply, and it is one which,
its ultimate results, involves little less than the pr.os-
H(mtY or misfortune of the entire British empire.
The Gentlemen, once more accept my thanks.=
ue noble lord was loudly cheered in resuming his seat.
~...tiord DERBY rose, and was greeted with loud cheers.
43-e said—My lords and gentlemen, I have obtained the
`Permission of the chairman to propose to you the only
toast which could more appropriately be proposed by
're than by himself, and one w hich, when I come to it,
am. quite satisfied will be received with universal
I,eelamation. (Cheers.) But before I do so, allow me,
am, in parliamentary language, upon my legs, to
eerythis opportunity of adverting to a subject which I
'erY little thought would be brought before the notice of
touts or any public assembly, but which has been alluded
Ire
andy noble friend, the late Lord Lieutenant of
I am not fond of introducing into public
`controversies anything which relates to the private ma-
tlagement of my property, or my dealings with my
tenants. (Hear, hear.) I believe that I may trust to
1111 general character both here and there—(hear, hear)
to prove that I am not a harsh landlord, and not an
lmlaiust or unforgiving man. (Cheers.) In Ireland, and
no England more especially—although, indeed, I should
saY more especially in England than in Ireland, but
21both the one country and the other—l believe it is
vuTversally known, at least it is known by all of those
° know anything of the circumstances, that I have
,ele .jer interfered with the exercise of the political fran-
I ae of a single tenant. (Hear, hear, and cheers.)
may mention one case in Ireland—that of a tenant
with a period of thirty-six years has been conversant
of f all
y operations ; who has received many marks
-tirou7,oar from me ; who, to use his own expression,
-who walk through fire and water to serve me ; and
has voted against me at every election. (Cheers.)
lirLtenant, a tenant.farmer in Ireland. of the name of
Michael Ryan, most nobly and most honourably came
~,,,117ard to bear testimony to those facts in a letter
Was published in all the papers. (Cheers.) But
aye been charged as a general exterminator, as 42
PPressor of the people, and as a tyrant landlord, be-
-4:llse I have used every means in my power to bring
Gear,
the authors 'of a vile and brutal murder.
ear, hear.) Gentlemen, permit me to say that
`"1-
;Pon this subject the eulogiums which have been
.passed upon me on the one side, and the calum-
-es—for they are little less—with which I have
4een assailed upon the other, are equally void of
hclandation, because they rest upon an entire misappre-
nsion of the facts of the ease. I have never thought
tteeersrtjla my while to contradict anything which has
been'leen the subject; but adverted to, as it has'
staatll Public occasion like the present, I will
`am
the simple facts. (Hear, hear.) In a
-which Property of mine in the County Limerick,
--or twer worth some L7OO a-year, I have some eleven
remainder 'e
tenants, three of whom hold by lease, and the
hold as tenants from year to year. The man
NVIIO Was
Ito murdered upon that property was the son of a
n Catholic, the son 'of a very old tenant who
"Fb;(lPied, With his family, the property lone. before I
le acquainted with it. He was the first man-
o.ver met when I visited the property. He was then
wilnected with a number of very disorderly persons, and
as the leader of a local faction. Gradually I reclaimed
.that man, and retained him as a respectable and useful
limit. His son succeeded him, and became the tenant
rll another small farm. He was from his earliest life an
Wtrims, active, respectable, steady young man. He
'l,aged to a great extent his father's property, and
rted with great industry a small farm in wlach I
l
aced him on his father's second marriage, when there
f • a separation of the family. This man, for no
n4,7111t of his own, but in consequence of his having
„.' my orders ejected a sub-tenant whom I had
NJ, means of ejecting without his consent, and
br i'n° Was doing nothing, and had done nothing for the
terty, but was rather deteriorating the little holding
41a had—this man was brutally murdered in the non-
thin the presence, as I know, of a number of persons.
en 3 first shot through the heart, and his body was
,tobrutally mangled, and his head knocked in with
bee
iles• (Cries of " Shame, shame.") I have never
vitn able to obtain legal evidence of those who were
re glesses of this brutal murder. But I had, and I have 1
ktiara. to believe that more than one of those who hold
eight me as tenants at will—of the small number of
moreoml, Or nine persons—l had and I have reason to believe
koti than one were parties to the conspiracy. I gave
enee, therefore, at Michaelmas, the latest time that
etitd, that all those persons who held by that tenure,
to sat.°,llld obtain satisfactory evidence, if not sufficient
the 181 a jury, at least, sufficient to satisfy me, of
141 oral guilt of the concealment of the murder, to
Vtlin, at once, on Lady Day next, any person against
. tow Could bring that evidence, and when, otherwise,
4.etne 1- ver strong the evidence might be, I could not
Za:ve from the property until the following Lady
hav isllcar, hear.) The whole of the notices which
Asran feu served, have been upon some eight or ten
nAls, being all the persons who hold under that
giver°. The intention of serving these notices was to
me the power of carrying into execution their
Itiov,l those cases in which I should find
'proZ. ,sevidence sufficient to justify me in taking such
-'eu-ing• (Hear, hear and applause.) It by
ktenleans followed, nor was it for a single moment my
ten 11,,ti°n, even with regard to that number of eight or
txtXra°lls, to be the wholesale and indiscriminate
ThZudilator of the tenants. (Hear, hear, and cheers.)
//ttae Ylee of notice upon eight or ten tenants, holding
the eight or ten acres each, has been represented in
1511,,,b1ic Papers as wholesale extermination—the Doom
.out n—yes, the wholesale extermination, the turning
; 'Pot the wide world of hundreds of faun-
hirthe fact being that there is not one of those
dies now under notice which has not received at my
e a, one way or another, more than the value of
Rene'simple of the land he holds. (Cheer's.) Now,
to an'nien, I have never condescended' before to reply
Y of the anonymous attacks which have been made
• 04 mt.
A. v •
mce—Never mind them. (Cheers).
to .1.4 I°4l DERBY—And I shall never condescend to reply
Y of them again. (Cheers.) I have stated to you
it ise, Plain facts, and I say this, that in my judgment,
that duty of a landlord, if he has reason to believe
supnr e People upon his property are conniving itt the
'With ession of evidence and the concealment of facts
pnndegard to a brutal murder, not, as has been said, to
ye
tlae innocent for the guilty, and to pass sentence
say i‘ Men who have not been found guilty,—but I
b' is the duty of a landlord to say—"you and
bei J°ll standing under a grave suspicion and I
ha ag responsible for the interest -and for the
hope illess of the district—you and I shall not
tn;r stand in the relation of landlord and
ohtrn, (Cheers.) Gentlemen, pardon me for having
ho ht upon you a subject which I certainly never
inee?ut of having brought up at this or any other
Ing• (Cheers.) I now proceed to a much more

grateful task, and one on which I Nave. already hear
sufficient evidence, that it is unnecestary:Witrouble yen,
with many observations, The manner irr, which our!
worthy chairman, in rising eeti to propose thrst toast of -
the evening, was received by you, is sufficient-evidence to
me of how high a respect and estimatienhe is held in
among those to. whom he is much more- intimately
known than he is to me. I know, gen-
tlemen, that our worthy chairman{. and his
father before him, were. fOr many years.' intimately
connected with the great commercial interest§ of this
town. (Hear, hear.) I know that he has, as•his father
did before him, most ably, most actively, and most un-
ostentatiously, performed all the duties which4evolTed
upon him, whether in his character as a Wrest India
merchant, whether in his character in the variou,muni-
cipal bodies, or in the character, which I believe-hehas,
of. chairman of the Pilots' Committee of thiso port.
(Hear, hear, and cheers:) He is well known to you all
personally, he is universally respected, and he- is recog-
nised as one of the oldest, one of the most consistent,
one of the most faithful supporters, under all circum-
stances, and in all times, of the Conservative
interest. (Loud cheers.) He appears before US-Bow
as the representative of the Conservative feeling of
the town of Liverpool. (Cheers.) He has discharged,
with singular judgment and taste, the duties of the post
which he , occupies this evening, as chairman of this
great assembly ; and whether in his private capacity,
in which he is known and respected, whether as the re-
presentative of this town, or whether as chairman of
this great Conservative festival, I an) quite satisfied you
will Join with me in cordially drinking, with every wish
for his health and happiness, and long connection with
the Conservative interest in this town am/ county, the
health of our worthy chairman, Mr. Shand. (Cheers.)
—The toast was drank amid the most enthusiastic de--
monstrations of applause.

The CHAIRMAN, in returning thanks, said he hoped.
what they had heard that night would urge them on to a
more earnest endeavour to further the interests of the:
Conservative party. It was true that they exerted them-
selves when actually pushed into a corner- and obliged
to struggle on being pressed by their opponents ; but in
future he hoped their exertions would be more spon-
taneous and well supported. He congratulated the
meeting upon the vast amount of intelligence and infor-
mation which had been given that night ; and he hoped
it would tend to increase the strength and prosperity of
the Conservative party. Ne again thanked them for
the high compliment which they had paid him, and con-
cluded by proposing " The English Bar," coupled with
the name of Sir H. Cairns, upon whom he passed a
.high
eulogium for his ability as a lawyer, and his capacity as
a public man.
The toast was most cordially received.
Sir HUGH CAIRNS : —Mr.. • Chairman, my lords,
and gentlemen, if those who preceded me this
evening, experienced and long-illustrious in their public
services, have felt at some loss to express their sense of
the favour of an assembly such as I see before me, I,
Who have no such claims to youe" notice, may well be
believed to be' sincere, when I declare my deep gratitude,
in the first place to those who originated this spirit-
stirring festival, in the next place for the association of
my name with the Bar. of England, and, finally, for the
much-too-flattering terms in which the chairman has
spoken of my somewhat. brief official career. (Hear.)
Gentleinen, for the Bar of England I may claim
and may claim with some boldness the merit which be-
:ongs to a body, honourable in its object, enlightened in
its views, and foremost in its defence of the great
principles of our constitution ; and reckoning amongst
its members men who are no degenerate successors of
those illustrious examples which we have all been taught
to revere. You have been pleased to allude to a measure
which it was my duty, on behalf of the noble earl, to pro- '
pose for acceptance to the House of Commons. I recollect
on he occasion of the introduction of that measure, an
observation which was made by a learned and honour-
able friend, now holding an important office in
the present Government—he said I was fortunate
to belong to' a Government which ,could estimate the
real value of law reform. Sir, I thought that was a
•very accurate statement ; it certainly was a most com-
plimentary one to the Government of the noble earl.
(Hear, hear.) I doubt whether it was as complimentary
to those governments which preceded him, and I think I
may say, to that which has succeeded him. (Hear, hoar,
and laughter.) I think the approval and assent the mea-
sure to which you have referred has received throughout
the country, was a proof that the people of this
country also know the value of a measure of law
reform which was not merely nominal and illusory. I
de not wish to dwell long on the subject; but I would
express a hope that this assembly will join with me in
the desirability of seeing, ere long, substituted for the
cumbrous and dilatory process, which' we have new, a
simple and satisfactory measure for the transfer of land
in this kingdom. (Applause.)
The CHAIRMAN—I have now to bring forward a toast
which, I am sure, you will receive with pleasure—. The
Members of the Southern Division of the County of
Lancaster." (Cheers.) They have, I am happy to say,
youth and energy, which I hope they will long use to
carry out those excellent principles that have been pro-
pounded this night. They came forward at the last
election with an energy and determination to place
themselves at our disposal to support those principles
which we entertain, and which they proposed to carry
out ; and they deserve great praise for the manner in
which they have conducted themselves. (Applause.)
The toast was drank with all the honours.

The Hon. A. EGERTON—Mr. Chairman and gentle-
men, I have to thank you very gratefully for the manner
in which you have proposed this toast, and also to thank
the room in general for the manner in which you have
received it. lam glad I have an opportunity of assist-
ing at such a celebration—at being present at a great
demonstration which proves that the Conservative
party is gaining strength, rather than losing it, in
Lancashire. (Cheers.) lam glad I have an op-
portunity of sayinc, for myself that I am satisfied with
the leaders of the Conservative party, that I shall
accept them as long as you may continue me as your
representative as fit leaders of the party. (Hear, hear.)
I wish to say at present a word or two in reference to
Sir Robert Peel, to whom allusion has been made. I
have a sort of hereditary feeling with regard to the old
Cotiieriatiim party; before- that split which unfortu-
nately took place in consequence, I may say, of the con-
duct of Sir Robert Peel. You all know that my father
was the representative of South Lancashire at the time
when free-trade measures were carried. lam not going
into the history of bygone days ; but I wish to say,
without reference to the past, that T am a true
Conservative. (Loud cheers.) I think that declara-
tion is perfectly consistent with an acknowledgment
of the benefit that was conferred upon the country by
Sir Robert Peel. (Hear, hear.) I will not say that he
was the man to propose it; but I will leave the subject
at once. As far as my father was concerned, I believe
that the course he took in those days was the right one.
I conceive now that the Conservative party is united.
Some have gone off. I regret we have to deplore the
loss of an able man like Mr. Sidney Herbert ; and we
have had lately to deplore the loss of another able
gentleman, who is now holding a leading position in
the Government of our opponents,—l allude to Mr.
Gladstone. Well, we must do without him,
and I think we shall. (A laugh, and cheers.)
Gentlemen, to leave that subject, I come 0 the circum-
stances under which I and Mr. Legh were elected by
the constituency of the southern division of the county.
There were many, I am sorry to say, in this division not
actuated by principles of what I may call Conservatism ;
there were many who, in the support they gave to us,
were merely influenced by the truly English idea that
the county was not bound down to an association who
affected to have the power of disposing of the represen-
tation. (Loud cheers.) At this late hour of the evening
I think it would be useless too make a long speech; and
I therefore thank you very heartily for the honour you
have done me and Mr. Legh, and I trust our votes in
Parliament will prove that we are true Conservatives.
(Cheers.)
The CHAIRMAN—I have now come to the last toast,
which I give with great pleasure, the Conservative
member for. Liverpool. (Applause.) I have only one
word to say : we have now one Conservative member
for Liverpool ; but, if ever I have the honour of sitting
here on a future occasion, I hope we shall have two.
(Cheers.)
The toast was drank with all the honours.
Mr. T. B. HORSFALL-Mr. Chairman, my lords,
and gentlemen, I should ill repay the kindness
with which you have received the last toast, if,
on an occasion like the present, at this late hour
of the night, I should venture to trespass but for
one single moment on your attention. Yet, gentlemen,
I should do injustice to this great community of. which
I have at present, unfortunately, the honour to be the
only Conservative representative—(a laugh)—it I did
not join in expressing the gratification I feel at being
present at this tribute of respect to the noble lord on
I your right, a trilatito which is justly due tO. WA who