Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-15 00:00:00

rate, continued for thirty years,

NATIONAL EDUCATION.'
Mr. Lefroy asked if the Secretary of State for the to
Department intends to bring under the consideration° 11110
house, any plan by which those persons in Irelartiol
cannot at present participate.in the grant for 1$
;ti

Education, map be enabled to do so. - 600,411'
Mr. S. Estcourt said that he had been too short von"
office to be able to give a direct answer, but iii,4687
wetild.be given when it was proposed to bring forty
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such plan: , 'LANDED ESTATES ri 1.3 Cle'j
The House then went into_ committee' on the
Estates Bill. .On clause one, creoersl4

Mr. Malins entered at great length. into the co*
principle, contending that the plan of giving parliarn
titles under the bill would be inoperative In theceteo!;
good and unjust in the case of bad titles. The she 0.
giving
givin notice of the intention to apply for such a 11)"
altogether inefficient, and would lead to grave ablise%bie
object of law was to take care of those who were 1111; 00'
take care of themselves, but these would be in fu
010
unjustly treated in being barred for ever from their cod,
the old principles of English law were directly ci°12.54011,;
this bill conferring an absolute title after a brief pos„, we,"
it was impossible to apply to land the same rules
applied to ships or personal property.
Mr. Headlam approved of the bill, the principle° for.-
he recommended for English adoption, when the bill
Irish Encumbered Estates Court was introduced. bMr. Bowyer believed that the subject would gains o,
cussion, but was not sanguine as to its ultimate biOre4
The court it proposed to establish was unknown to 5 ilibe
prudence, except in the instance of the Irish Erlet!ita6
Estates Court. The bill attempted to do what Os jv
Bible. It tried to turn a bad title into a good one. tect
other cases the bill was inoperative. What was WWI.
a good statute of limitations. obje

Mr. Hadfield said that theregli i`9l/
tions to the bill. Instead
charges, it would increase them.. sto
of weredimnintinslyiilnvo-ei Pr°tlfesv-'
e,
M. 'Valpole contended that the principle of gl • °bl
indefeasible title by the court, was by no means a 110es* 4
As to the objection that unjust titles might be ret'llent
the court, the court would itself take steps to Pr ‘,10021:P0
sash abuse. by having the titles examined by
veyancers and solicitors. The only object of the bill e 1
1;1,1
place titles upon a register as clear and indefeasit
they had been subject to such examination, tuhe'er• to
if the estate were to be sold to fully satisfy a Partit 054
Mr. Deasy said that the principle of the u"„prV`(,-0
enable an organised court to undertake for a P'esuLt"ii
the full examination of his title, and to place the rod r
record. He fully ,approved of the principle, whic the
appliedwith the greatest advantage to Ireland. •„ of
The Solicitor-General said that under the aeti?',60.,,,,
proposed court, theie would be a better investribo s,,f
title than took place in ordinary sales. It could 0'00.4'3
posed that the court would take less care than`, w 35,11/
an ordinary conveyance. There was no reason ."
roPertio
should not be transferred in the same way as perseaTudef of
however the two might differ in other respects. before' of
bill, a power was given which was never givett 11failler
curing flaws existing in the new form of titles.
the most eminent solicitors throughout the ceuritr)ill•
pressed their full approval of the provisions of the s coo ,
Lord J. Russell said that he did not fear that titl'a 0:303
be improperly granted by the proposed court ; but"o.oocifbet
peered that most of the titles in the country were otvill'd,
that bad titles were the exception, he felt some deaboe tbe`el
proprietors would resort to the, proposed court. opear,,..
fore objected to incurring the expense, which, rio
would be very considerable. The court would, 01000'00
sess powers conflicting with those of the older to co
should prefer that the power should be given r the
already established. yi
The Solicitor-General asserted that the deeia of 00
court would be advantageous to the holders el in di
titles, especially when the property was to be sc'tad be Olt
parcels. The business of the proposed court Oat, oato,
kind totally different from that of any existing °bier C°
did not believe that the judge of any of the °
would undertake it. ~crate c(

Sir E. Perry warmly supported the bill. A seps otb,
would be necessary to work out its provisions'
there would not be the proper respectability. I;fer.
After some further observations from Mr. 3:". 0410,
Mr. Cardwell-contended that notwithstalichngnsfer ore
ences between real and personal property, the tr - ffe
one might be made as easy as that of the other. Bred,
that, when a title had once been properly Flees;
should be an authentic record of the proceePliAing 5
would be invaluable to penons desirous at ID
investments in land. ea to,
Three of the clauses of the bill were then sgr
the House resumed.

the gegi#l

The House went into committee on
Landed Estates Bill.

Four clauses were agreed to, and the House
' WAYS AND MEANS.
The reports of the Commissioners of SLIPPiI'
Ways and Means were then brought up.
do the motion that the house g,, into c •ee °ll
oinoitt ,be
navy estimates, , theiroce
referred to. a Williajnsselect e impOSSibidebefareaft
their nature they would be properly investigate oa re,rof
whole house. A select committee might eolnined oat `-ate'.
on them fully in ten ,or twelve days. He peinte, esti°,
ommomyeadte as.e. an amendment tha-twitytio
instances of increased extravagance in the 13'1 that ile"
in confirmation oflthe demand. He believe (Aber
waste had taken place in the navy than in °). toe;
partment. The, st'lrocluc
Sir H. Verney seconded the amendment. ,c 1 nt d,
by which the First Lord of the Admiralty ir o-
the estimates, showed the necessity for incln..ra. oPr°ool
Sir H. Willoughby thought that the in(ll'l.".t slie
01l
would be too extensive, and suggested that 1
aigiii,,
limited to the more salient points. faking
Mr. Lindsay objected to a committee, an - loge(
responsibility from the government. eeesasj•Vose
Colonel Sykes declared enquiry to he double
.4, ee
the national: estimates were more than in" the an.„,,''faitt.
1835 without any corresponding increase oa co pox'
Walcott thought that reference
..s all re°' ~
would only tend to increase the estimates, ;oot. r O.OPF
linty would then be removed from the G°vef,posal %tee Co
Sir F. Baring could not agree to the Pr 3 eonnotittlo
to
9,0,0 lt
ferring the inquiry from that House
stairs. He thought that the Government should
w _,,
an inquiry, but the money for the
eota' bs
public 11" —itte's
Toted in the meantime. elect cat,
Mr. Bentinck opposed tile reference to a s SO, ,IA
Lord IL Vane likewise opposed the a it tlinbao
seconded an inquiry by the Government..
~utatie had
Lord, C. Paget protested against the That
ofcer ii,
h 0 attacked Sir Baldwin Walker. 1113 r collet
power whatever to reform abuses. A 0 i3ll (‘'
Sir J. Pakington said that he 114. 11