Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-02-14 00:00:00

Tuesday, February 14, 1860.

AUSTRIA

REPLY OF AUSTRIA TO THE ENGLISH

PROP 0 SITIONS.

Le Nord says that the above document has
reached Paris. Count Rechbcrg states that
Austria cannot retract from the engagements of
Villafrinca and Zurich, and, therefore,
.cannot
admit de jure facts contrary to those engage-
ments and the treaty between France and
Austria. He observes that if the treaty of Zurich
is respected in Venetia, why should it not also be
respected in the Italian Duchies. If the pro-
positions of England are carried out, it is a great
experiment that is about to be made in Central
Italy. Austria will not oppose that experiment
by force of arms, convinced that'events will not
fail soon to give support to the cause of right, and
justify Austria.

A Vienna journal explains that the suspension
of the sale of cavalry and artillery horses is
caused by the present extremely low price of
horses and the expectation that prices will be
better in the spring.

VIENNA, Feb. 13.

The reforms promised in the ministerial pro-
gramme are about to be granted. Every province,
will receive a separate constitution and adminis-
tration, according to the wants of the different
nationalities.

SPAIN.

THE WAR IN MOROCCO.
MADRID, Veb. 11.

Marshal O'Donnell announces in an order of
Of the day that he will continue offensive Opera-
tions, until the enemy shall ask mercy of Spain,
and until reprisals have been taken for the insults
of the enemy, and an indemnity obtained for the
sacrifices of Spain. The trophies from Tetuan
have arrived, and have been received by the
inhabitants with enthusiasm. The Spanish Go-
vernment in coaformity with the authorisation
of the Cortes is about to issue notes to the amount
of 200,000,000 reals, the payMent of which is to
be insured by the sale of national property.

M ADRID, Feb. 13.

The Spanish cabinet will listen to no propo-
sals of peace from Morocco until Tangiers has
been taken, against which place military opera-
tions are to commence immediately.

RUSSIA.

ST. PETERSBURG, Feb. 12.

Prince Gortschakoff has informed the. French
Government that Russia does not consider the
English proposals to be altogether a satisfadtory
solution of the Italian difficulty, and that an
understanding could only result, from a conference
of the Five Great Powers. It is said that 'the
French Ambassador has expressed to Prince
Gortschakoff the readiness of his government to
adhere to the Proposals-of Russia.

HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE-LORD WARD
AGAINST Mit. LUMLEY.

Lord Ward, lessee of her Majesty's ' Theatre,
yesterday obtained a verdict, and £4,692 damages,
against Mr. Lumley, late sub-lessee and manager.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer returned to
town yesterday evening.
The Earl of Elgin is confined to the house by
influenza.

The Bishop of Rochester is not expected to
recover.
The Scully and Ingram, case is fixed for Thurs-
day next.

The following appeared in a portion of our
impression of yesterday :

FRANCE.
[REUTER'S TELEGRAM.]
PARIS, FEB. 13

The'Moniteur of to-day says :—Yesterday the Sardi-
nian Minister, Chevalier Desambrois, presented his
letters of recall to the Emperor.

THE WAR IN MOROCCO.
[REUTER'S TELEGRAM.]
MADRID, Feb. 11,
Marshal O'Donnell has addressed a congratulatory
speech to the army.

RESIGNATION OF MR. JUSTICE PERRIN.
DUBLIN, Monday.

It is currently- reported at the Four Courti, this morn-
ing, that the Attorney-General, Mr. J. D. Fitzgerald,
has accepted:the vacant judgeship.

THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND THE

, BUDGET.,
The Herald says, we have reason to believe that a
?meeting of the P.arl of Derby's supporters will take
place at his lordship's residence on Wednesday next.
It is, therefore, impossible to state, till after that day,
what course the Conservative party in the House of
Commons will take with respect to the Budget. All
statements on the matter are mere surmise.

THE "TIMES" AND THE PAPER DUTY.
The Times says that, so-far as it is concerned, the
public shall have the full benefit of every feather's
weight of the burden it Will in next July escape ; and if
the balance, incline, it will be in their favour.

THE FRENCH TREATY & THE FOREIGN
TRADE OF THE COUNTRY.
The _Timm enumerates some of the particular COUR-
tries with which our trade is likely to be specially
enlarged.. France, it says, will of course constitute the
chief instance the Baltic provinces the next, and then
Turkey in That the amount of cotton, woollen,
linen, earthenware, and other manufactured goods that
will find their way from England to France under a
duty either of 30 or 25 per cent. will be extremely
large seems to be anticipated, by all persons in thoie
branchei of trade. The effect of the abolition of
the disciiminating duty .on foreign timber cannot fail
to be of the highest importance, to Norway, Sweden,
Denmark, Prussia, and Russia. To Holland especially,
the removal of the duty on cheese will be very advan-
tageous. The abolition of, the butter duty, of ss. per'
`cwt., will also be welcome in the same quarter as
-well as in Belgium and France, whatever for the mo-
ment may be its effect upon the producers of butter
in Ireland. Various other countries might be included.
Lastly, India and China must benefit from the greater
freedom given to the silk trade by the French treaty.

OPPOSITION TO THE BUDGET.
In the Times city article a number of interests are
mentioned which may be expected to combine against
the Budget, and to take advantage which the income-
tax affords. There is the brewing interest,:the Cana-
dian timber interest the Cape interest, the distillers'
interest, and a variety of others. Even, the Stock Ex-
change would prefer a Budget with .a loani but judging

from all that can be observed, it will be impossible to
collect an antagonistic force whose yoke will not be over-
powered, or that will have an opportunity of contriving
alterations to affect the measure :,n its integrity. We
are in a state of armed peace, which is almost equivalent
to war, and the abolition of the income-tax was out of
the question, and attempts to remodel it would have
involved labour which could not have been expected
from any minister simultaneously with the execution of
a task such as that just announced. Speaking of the
Budget generally, the writer says, in:a broad aspect, the
conviction is, that however popular the scheme may be
to-day, it will be more popular a week hence, and that
it will continue to grow in favour.

THE PRESS ON THE TREATY AND
BUDGET.

Each of the morning papers has one or more leaders
on the Treaty and Budget.
The Daily News says, if any one wants to know why
the income tax still lingers, the answer is that we
spend £13,000,000 a year more than we spent in 1853.
If anybody has been persuaded that the renewed income-
tax is a consequence of the Fronch treaty, let him refer
to the balance-sheet of 1860, with its enormous deficit
of £9,400,000, without the income tax and war duties
on tea and sugar, even with all the present duties on
imports from France, maintained at their present rates.
The Star reiterates that, but for the addition of
£10,000,000 to £12,000,000 within six years to our
military expenditure, there would be a surplus sufficient
to carry out the stipulations of the treaty, and to extend
them to all the world, besides abolishing the paper duty.
The Post says we extend free trade by a commercial
treaty, and by. abolishing several of the worst indirect
duties. We impose certain small charges of the least
onerous kind; we take up the malt and he credits ;
and, with the exception of the addition for the year of
a penny to the income=tax, we leave the other taxes just
where they were before.
The Times is of opinion that, all circumstances con-
sidered, Parliament cannot take on itself to annul the
treaty by refusing its aid towards the fulfilment of its
conditions, and trusts that lgr. Gladstone will succeed in
his noble attempt to give to our tariff complete simplicity.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—YiasTEimAY.

ENDOWED SCHOOLS BILL.

Lord CRANWORiIi, in reply to Lord Chelmsford, said
that he did not intend to refer the Endowed Schools Bill
to a select committee.

RECOGNITION OF GOVERNMENT OF CENTRAL ITALY.

The MARQUIS of NORMANBY said that as he could
not disconnect the motion, of which he had given notice
for to-morrow (this day), respecting the recognition of
the Government of Central Italy, from the communica-
tions which had passed between England and France on
the subject; he should move for the production of the
dates of those communications, without which he could
not properly express himself.
INDICTABLE OFFENCES (METROPOLITAN DISTRICTS) BILL.
Lord CHELMSFORD moved the second reading of the
Indictable Offences (Metropolitan Districts) Bill. The
object was the same with the bill of last year, and did
away with grand juries in those districts. He gave
several instances of the impediments to justice caused
by the grand jury.
The LORD CHANCELLOR' said that such a bill should
be received with caution, but he would not oppose the
second reading.
After some remarks from Lord BROUGHAM and Lord
WENSLEYDALE, the bill was read a second time.

ST. GEORGE'S-IN-THE-EAST.

Lord EBURY presented a petition from the vestry of
St. George's-in-the-East, complaining of the conduct of
the rector, and asking for the interference of Parlia-.
ment to cheek the evil. _ _ _ _ _

The Bishop of EXETER said, that before the evil could
be checked, it must be shown that it existed. Mr.
King had only carried out the recommendations of the
charge of the late Bishop of London. •
The Bishop of LONDON said, that the services of the
previmis day had passed off peaceably ; but it was
lamentable to think that the peace was due to the pre-
sence of seventy policemen in the church. As for the
charge of the late bishop, no doubt such a charge was
made ; but the tishcra had complained to Mr. King that
he had not meant th."t he should follow it.

Their lordship s then, adjourned, at eight o'ciock.

110USg OF COMMONS.—YESTEUDAY.
The house met at four o'clock. •
NEW WRITS.

New writs were ordered for Ennis, in the place of Mr.
J. D. Fitzgerald, who bad accepted the Judgeship vacant
by the 'retirement of Judge Perrin ; and for Cork
county, in place of Mr. Deasy, appointed Attorney-
General for Ireland. •

In reply to Mr. R. Long,
Mr. CARDWELL said that the retirement of Mr. Justice
Perrin had been caused by ill health. •

NEWFOUNDLAND COMMISSION.

In reply to Sir J. Pakingtop,
Lord J. Russ= said that the Rnglish and French
Commissioners, sent last year to 'Newfoundland to
investigate the question at issue between the two
Governments, had sent in their report. They had
agreed upon all essential points ; but the approval of
the French-Government had not yet been received.

CHINA.

On the motion for, going into Committee of Supply,

.B. COCHRANE drew attention to our relations
with China, and to the difficulties caused by our demand
that the Chinese Government should permit a resident
minister at .Pekin ; for insisting -upon this point had
been the cause of the untoward events which had
occurred. He censured Mr. Bruce and Lord Elgin for
•their conduct in the affair, and called upon Lord J.
Russell (who long ago had treated with great coldness
the proposal that we should have a minister at Pekin)
to carry out, now he was in power, the principles he
professed in opposition.
Sir M. SEYMOUR entered into a variety of details
respecting. the Arrow lorcha, the cause of quarrel which
we had with-the Chinese. He traced the progress of
the quarrel and gave an account of his own operations
against Canton, and subsequently in the North. He
entered into a vindication of his own character, which
had been unjustly accused of want of energy. He was
decidedly of opinion that the treaty ought to be fully
enforced.
Lord J. Ro SWILL defended the conduct of Mr. Bruce,who
in the difficult circumstance 3 in which he was placed had
no alternative except to' act upon his instructions. The
Government had felt - it their duty to inform him that
they fully approved: his conduct. It was impossible for
us to take less than the terms of the treaty, now, espe-
cially after our misadventure, to abstain from insisting
upon its executiori, and vindicating our own honour.
, Sir J. PAKINOTON agreed that it was necessary for us
to maintain our honour; in our relations with China;
but; on the other hand, we should remember that China
•was not a military power, and that our intercourse with
her ought to be purely pacific.
After some observations from Sir De Lacy Evans,
Lord EsiainnsToN deprecated ftirther discussion until
more complete accounts were received from China. He
added a few words in defence of- Mr. Bruce, who had
understood that he was to be suppotted by a sufficient
force. •
Sir C. NAIIER commented on the gallantry of
Admiral Hope, who had shown an amount of pluck
almost unprecedented in naval annals.
• ANNEXATION OF SAVOY.
Mr. KINGLAKE, who had been appealed to by Lord
Palmerston to postpone his motion respecting the annexa-
tion of Savoy, as at present injurious to the public
service, expressed his regret that the Governmbnt
should, on so momentous a matter, have intercepted
the free opinion of the House of Commons. The dis-
cussion, in his opinion, would have done no harm. At
the „same time he couldi not resist the appeal made
to him, but hoped that his motion would be allowed to
come on befoie it was too late to be of any use.
Sir R. PEEL protested against the tontinued adjourn-
ment of this important measure, especially as regards.
Savoy.
CHINESE EXPEDITION.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE, alluding to the season of the
year, hoped the Chinese expedition. would not be long
delayed, as immediO.e action was necessary.
Admiral WALCOT urged a due recognition of the

noble services of the admiral, officers, and men of the
Chinese expedition.
Lord A. PAGET said that many promotions had been
made of those who had most distmpished themselves in
the action on the Peiho.
COMMERCIAL TREATY.—COALS.

Mr. HORSMAN, alluding to the cominercial treaty, re-
probated the encouragement it gave to the export of
coal, the supply of Which was exhaustible, and ought to
be carefully guarded.
Mr. A. SMITH made some remarks upon the same
subject.
After some remarks from Mr. Gregson and Colonel
Herbert,
Mr. 0. RICA.RDO wondered that fault should be found
with our export of the article produced most easily,
namely, coal.
After a few words from Sir H. Willoughby,
Lord PALMERSTON beggetl the House to wait for ex-
planations respecting the treaty till Monday.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained of the large expendi-
ture proposed for the army and navy in time of profound
peace.
After some further discussion the house went into
comitrrus or ,surrix.

Lord C. PAGET, in moving the navy estimates, said
that the sum he had to ask was an enormous one, but
he trusted to be able to justify it. Even if any other
nation was to disarm, our commerce and colonies made
it necessary to keep up a large naval force for the police
of the seas. Independent of this we had learnt from
the discoveries of moderns to create our navy afresh.
We found ourselves suddenly, precisely in the same
position as our neighbours. All nations started fair,
and we had to use every diligence to regain our former
superiority, The French navy at present was rapidly
becoming very formidable. It had thirty-one ships of
the line afloat, and five building; thirty-four frigates
afloat, and eleven building ; five iron-cased ships,
seventeedeervettes, besides other vessels—all steam ships
—making in all 244 ships ready for sea in a few weeks.
Russia had of steam ships : nine ships of the line afloat,
and nine building; eighteen frigates afloat, and three
building;- ten' corvettes and eleven building; besides
other vessels, in' all'lB7 ships afloat, and 48 building.
With regard to our force, we had 59 sail of the line-
-48 afloat, and 11 building. In the next month they
hoped to launch more. We had 25 frigates afloat, and
9 building ; 9 steam block ships 4 iron-cased ships
building ; 16 corvettes, and 5 building ; 80 sloops afloat,
and 15 building; 27 smaller vessels afloat ; 169 gun-
boats afloat, and 23 building ; 8 floating batteries,
18 transports, and 4 mortar ships. In the coining year
they intended to launch 10 liners, 12 frie'utes, 4 iron-
cased ships, 4 corvettes, 15 sloops, and 23 gunboats.
The great increase of expense in the estimates arise from
the increase of the number of men and the transport ofthe
troops. The first vote comprised an addition of no less than
11,700 men and boys, at an increase of expense of above
£400,000 over the estimate of last year. There was,
besides, a reserve of 6,000 seamen in the home ports.
Of the 11,700 men, 1,000 were Marines. He entered
into the regulation at present in force respecting extra-
ordinary and ordinary payments. The second vote for
the Admiralty shewed an increase over last year of
£14,000. He adduced figures to prove that the Ad-
miralty staff of former, years was about the same for a
far smaller amount of work, Assistance was peremptorily
required by many of the presentofficers. In this respect
he instanced the Comptroller of the Navy, who was
kept a prisoner in his office by the amount of business
he had to transact, and was unable properly to look
after the public business. He should offer no objec-
tions to the appointment of a committee to enquire Into_
dockyard expenditure, and see whether we got our
value for our money. Every possible assistance in fur-
therance of economy would be given by the Government.
Coming to the volunteer expenses he observed that
there was a strange de'usion among the men;' they
believed that the moment they signed any engagement
they would at once be kidnapped and sent to China. In
other respects they were satisfied with the terms, and as
they would get over the idea they would, he believed,
flock to be enrolled. The Government had no sort of
wish to entrap them, inasmuch as he was happy to say
they were not wanted—there was no longer any diffi-
culty in finding men, and the navy was in a fair way of
being fully manned. Coming to the items of the home
services, he declared that the duties of the dockyard
superintendents were too heavy, and it was necessary to
give them assistance. Coming to the questions of ex-
penses of building vessels, he said that returns of the
cost of each ship of the. navy ought to be furnished.
Old naval officers had been thunderstruelt when
told of the cost of a single line of battle=
ship, when every expense was taken into account last
year, they had promised in the dockyards, besides con-
versions, to build 46,000 tons of shipping. That pro-
mise they had not altogether fulfilled. They had pro-
mised to build 16,000 tens of frigates, and they had only
built 13,600 tons. The main reason was a deficiency of
timber. They proposed to build in the coming year
13,216 tons of ships of the line, 13,500 tons of frigates,
4,871 of corvettes, 8,045 of gunboats, besides converting
four ships of the line and four frigates. After some re-
marks on the cost of new works, medicines, and miscel-
tansous services, he said that it was with pain- that he
propounded estimates involving so large an expenditure,
but it was no more than was required by the occasion.
he concluded by proposing a vote for 86,500 men and
boys,

Sir J. PARTNGTON complimenteri the noble lord on
the candour of his statement. Ile bad proposed no
more than was necessary for the public service, and had
carried out the views of himself (Sir J. Pakington).
Sir C. NAPIER, commenting generally on the' state-
ment, complained of the constant breach of faith in the
Admiralty towards the men. If the fleet was manned
as he was happy to hear it was, owing to the bounty,
men could not be treated as they used to be. They
required more indulgence ; such punishment as flogging
ought not to be inflicted without court-martial.
Sir J. ELPIIINSTONE complained of a multitude of
deficiences in naval arrangements—want of police, and
of proper places for the discharge and paying-off of
vessels.

After some explanation from Mr. Whitbread, and
some further discussion' the vote was agreed to, as was
the sum of £3,496,757 for wages.
The House. 'adjourned at a quarter to one o'clock.