Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-08-12 00:00:00

STANDING ORDERS.

Lord Monteagle moved, that the standing order of July
3rd, respecting the reference to the Lord Chancellor and
Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of Claims of Right of
Voting at the Election of Irish Representative Peers, be
considered, in order to its being amendended by extending
such standing order to the case of parties who claim the
right of voting by Peerage, under whom votes hive been
given and admitted at the elections for such representative
peers of Ireland.
After a b:ief conversation, the motion was postponed
till Thursday.

The Ecclesiastical C munission Bill was brought from
the Commons and read a first time.

The House adjourned at six o'cleck.

HOUSE OF COMIONS.--TuEsDAY.
The Speaker took the chair at 12 o'clock.

NRW MWMBSB.
Mr. Mellor, Q.O , took the oaths and his seat for Great
Yarmouth.

PR IVATE BUSINESS.

The Lords' amendments to the Tweed Fisheries Bill
were considered and agreed to.
Crewe's Estate Bill was read a second time and
ordered to be committed.

PROBATES AND LETPERS OF ADMINISTRATION BILL.

On the considerarion of this bill as amended,

Mr. Wes head moved a clause in lieu of clause 9l
relative to the deposit of records, wills, and all other
documents in the district registry, so as to be easy of refe-
rence; bat the clause was ultimately withdrawn, on the
understanding that an amendmdnt should be made in
clause 91 on the third reading The hon. member next
moved a clause for the purpose of securing compensation
to the four persons now practising as advocates in the
courts of the Province of I ork and Diocese of Ripon,
whose fees and emoluments are abolished by the bill, but
the clause was oppocsed by tho Attvluoy-Cloncral, and
ultimately negatived without a division.
Mr. Ayrton moved the following elsuss, viz.:—" That
every person, to whom any compensation shall bs granted
under this act, shall, at all times when called upon, be
liable to fill any public office or situation in England under
the CrAn for which his previous services in any office
abolished by this act may render him eligible; and, that if
he shall decline, when called upon so to do, to take upon
himself such office or situation, and execute the duties
thereof satisfactorily, being in a competent state of health,
he shall forfeit his right to any compensation or allowances
which may have been granted to him in respect of such
previous services, under 6(3,3.10, 4 and 5 William IV., cap.
9.1"

The Attorney-General contented that the staiutc refer-
red to, did not apply to the cases embraced by this bill, as
it might be said that the compensation was granted for a
valuable consideration.

The discussion was continued by Sir J. Graham, Mr.
Wigram, M.S. Roebuck, Mr. Henley, Mr. Wilson, Mr E.
Denison, and Mr. Spooner. The clause was then agreed
to without a divison, and ordered to be added to the bill.
Mr. Hadfield. moved an amendment in clause 45, with
the view of throwing open the Courts of Admiralty and
Arches to all practising solicitors and attorneys.
The Attorney-General said the Divozca Bill pro-
vided for opening the latter court. He had no objection
to adopt the amendment so far as it related to the Court
of Admiralty..
The amendment so modified was agreed to.
Sir Fitze.)y Kelly moved the following addition to
clause. 5G ; viz.: —" And every judge of county con is
having jurisdiction under this act, whose salar3i shall be
less than .11,500 a-year, shall be paid out of the Testamen-
tary Fee Fund, in Hen of any fees fsor the business done by
, him under this act, so much money annually as, together
with his salary, as a County Court Judge, shall amount to
fifteen hundred pounds."
Mr. Wilson objected-to the:question of the salaries of
County Court Judges being raised in this indirect manner.
Besides, this bill made no provision for the paymentoof
fees to county court judges, nor did it provide for the
creation of a, testamentary fee fund, and as the money
would have to be psi I out of the Consolidated Fund the
hon. and learned gentleman could not propose such addition
to the clause without the consent of the crown.

The Speaker also ruled that it would be irregular to

insert the amendmen' , and it was withdrawn, Sir F. Kelly
giving notice that he would endeavour to revive the question
on the third reading.
Numeroueverbal amendments were madein othzr clauses,
and the bill as amended was agreed to.

The Revising Barrister (Dublin Bill) wont through
committee, and the sitting was suspended. ,
The House-resumed at six o'clock. -. •
• DIPLOM.ITIC RELATIONS WITH TURKEY. •
Mr. Disraeli rose to put a question to her Majesty's
Government in reference to the diplomatic relations
between France and three other powers, and the Porte,
arising out of a difference of opinion as to the form of
government of the Danubian principalities. It was
understood , at the time of the conference at Paris,
that there was a concurrence of opinion, and that
both England and France were 'in favour of the -union
of the two provinces. It would appear now that there was
a contrariety of opinion upon the second , powers on the
subject. He wished to ask whether there was any pros-
pect of the amicable settlement of the difficulties, and
whether the noble lord had or had not any apprehension
of au estrangement of feeling with our much esteemed ally.
Lord Palmerston was nct surprised that the question
should, under present circumstances, have been put to
him, There had been a difference at Constantinople, but
not; arising as ihs,right hon. gentleman.imagined from the
union or non-union of the Principalities, but from a

,differencecf opinion as to-the regularity or irregularity of
the elections that had taken place in Moldavia.by the treaty
of Paris. There were to be chosen in the two provinces
representative assembles, to take into considers'ion the
wants and wishes of the. people of the two provinces in
regard to their internal organisation and arrangements.
There ware to, be commissioners appointed by the six
powers to be in the provinces during the -deliberations,
and when the assemblies should hive expressed their
wishes) and reports should have been made by the coin-
_

m7.ssioners, the results were to be submitted to the
Congress at 1-aris, composed of the ministers at the time
in the capital, who were to make arrangements for the
future organisation of the provinces. The Porte issued a
firman to the governors of the two provinces, setting forth
the manner in which the elections should. take place.
The firma° had been settled by.the unanimous consent of

the representatives of the six powers -at Constantinople
acting with the Turkish government, and certain explana-

tions of it were agreed upon. Ti 20.110 explanations were
sant to the Comeloioners at Bucharest, and they were to
be transmitted to the g wernor of Moldavia, Owing,

however, to delay in the telegraphic messages, and irra-

gularities in the transmission of the documents by the
officers of the Turkish government, the elections took place
without referenc 3 to these interpretations, and there was

a prevailing opinion that they w :re not in accordance with
regularity; and that if the interpretati )11 had been. fully
carried out, the result of the election would have been
different. Tuis was represented to the ministers at Con-

stantinople, and four of them, France; Russia, Prussia.
and Sardinia, acting independently of E igland and Austria,

had called upon the Turkish govefmment to annul the.
elections. The Porte feeling this to have been a demand

which should have been male j )intly by the six pi-sms,

hurilierefore declined to comply with the repest, saying,

however, that if shnild be received by the six p)wers the
matter would be placed in a differen position. There were

misunderstandingi on bath sides, and the result was, that
France, Russia, P,u=sia, and Sardinia haute] dip,:n their

flags, and had interrupted, or were about to in-

terrupt, diplora9Aie relation% with the Porte. The

recent visit of the Emperor of the French to Osborne
accompanied by his Minister of Foreign Affairs, gave to
the English Government a favourable opportunity of com-
ing to an understanding with the French Government, and
they thought there was sufficient prima facie ground of
icregulari.y, not proved, but founded, upon prevalent °pi-
t:Con, that would make it the interest of the Porte itself
that -the elections should take place over again.. Her
Majesty's Government has realon to believe that the Aus-
trian Government were disposed to concur in the same
course; and that being so,,they had good reason to believe
that the Sultan would not feel th at his dignity and inde-
pendence were at all compromised by yielding to the
repreitentations made by the ;whole of his allies,
aid that he would take the .course represented
.to him of
annulling the elections, and having them- renewed- at the
end of fifteen. days. He was glad, therefore, to say that
there was no ground for any apprehension that the
alliance between England and France, interrupted by the
difference of opinion, had taken place.

AFFAIRS IN INDIA.

In reply to Mr. Spooner,

-Lord Palmerston said no news had been received from
India of which the public were not already informed.
Sir Do Lacy Evans, on the motion !Jr going into com-
mitte of supply, draw attention to the military arrange-
ments being made for meeting that which has occurred
in the Bengal Native Army. The honourable and gal-,
lant member recommended the Government to take every,
possible means for strengthening the Indian Army, and,
having stated his opinion that the force now proposed to
bs sent out was ffi insucient, and expressed gratification
that 1,400 troops bad been diverted from China to India,
proceeled to offer suggestions for providing a large army
to restore tranquility in India. He advised that the
militia should be called out to allow of the departure of the
line, and that a portion of the large force at the Caps
should be withdrawn, and intimated that three regiments
might be obtained from Canada.

Lord Palmerston was under no apprehension that
there woufd be difficulty in meeting the emergency
occasioned by the mutinies of the native troops
in India. Already 30,000 men had been sent
out or were under orders, and he had no
doubt that, after the harvest, recruiting both for
the militia and the line Would progress satisfactorily.
With reg trd to other suggestions made by 'the gallant
general, the noble lord, at length, enumerated the obstacle
to the transport of troops by the overland route, and stated
that `orders had been sent to the Cape to forward as many
troops as could be
.spared to Calcutta.
Colonel North did not think it would be politic to send

the great bulk of our skilled troops out of tha country.
Mr. Bentinck complained that no official information
had been Oren respecting the means of defence for the
country af,er the withdrawal of troops for India.
Sir H. Berner thought the House should force the
Government to provide adequate measures for the protec-
tion of the country. _ _

Mr. Newdegate considered that it would be unwise, as
the troops would probably be absent for a long time, to
rely upon the militia for the defence of the country.
Mr. W. Williams deprecated the eatAblishment of a

la-ge standing army.
Mr. Whiteside attributed the dissatisfaction in India to
interference with the religion Lnd cnstorns of the Hindoos,
ald declared that the gwernment might have taken warn-.
in from the seditions published in native papers some
months before the outbreak.
Mr. V. Smith denied that the government had been in
any way forewarned of the dissatiefsction in India, and
stated that immediately upon its appearance, the Governor
General had disbanded the mutinous regiments.
Mr. Disraeli tendered his thanks to Sir Da Lacy Evans

)r entrusting the question to the consideration of the

house Recent events had, he said, confirmed the state•
meats which he made when he, on a former occasion,
b ought the subject under consideration; and he charg3d
Lord Palinerston with underrating . the magnitude of the
disasters in India. The country had been misled. as to the
importance of the disaffection of" the- Ind;an army, and he
urged upon the pvetnment that the most effective induce-
ment that could be offered to enlistment would be to
show to men that their country was in danger. He be-
lieved that it would be nezessary, before eight months had
passed, to send an irresiitib:e force into India, and to
accompany it with some announcement of policy which
150 000,000 of people might receive with, confidence and
hope. • • ' •
Colonel S3lces contended that the state of aff4irs in In-

dia in na may endangered British rule, and in proof he
stated that the disaffsetion amongst the troops had not
communicated itself to the people.
I ord John Russell, Mr. H. Brace, Mr. Roebuck, Gen.
Codrington, Mr. D. Seymour, and Mr. Batt having spoken,.
the House went into committee of supply.

The first vole propoqed of .C 27,810, for Pimlico improve-
ments, was'opposed by Mr. G. W. Nichol, but was carried
without a division.

£BO,OOO was proposed to purchase the site for the new
public offices, and ag eed to after a brief discussion.
£7,500 was voted for the General Registry House; Edin-
burgh, and this concluded the civil service e'stimates.
£200,900 for the disembodied militia was proposed and
agreed to, after discussion ; as was also £450,000 for the
disembodied militia, and .C. 32,000 for the ordnance survey
in Scotland.
This concluded the estimates, and the passing of the
last vote elicited some cheers.
The report of yesterday's Committee of Supply was
brought up and agreed to.
TLe Police (Scotland) Bill, was read a third time and

passed.
The consideration of the Probates and Letter, of Ad
ministration 13.11, as amended, was resqmed after some

discussion.
Tlaq House adjourned at twanty-tive minutes to three.

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