Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-30 00:00:00

was em

t recer

doing business on his own "hook." On Monday night he
got drunk, as was his wont on " Saint Monday" evenings.
,He being barber-ously inclined went to Gardiner's shop,
and wanted him to "box," but Gardiner refused, and then
the prisoner went away, but in a short time returned with
an open razor in his hand, swearing he would do something
more than " shave " his opponent ; he was rushing at him
for that purpose, when Mrs. Gardiner interfered, and her
hand was terribly cut, and according to the certificate of a
surgeon, the wound was most dangerous. The prisoner was
sent for trial.

FOREIGN INSURANCE COMPANIES 'IN AMERICA.—We
observe that the Liverpool and London Insurance Company
have gained a verdict in an action brought against their
agent at Chicago, John H. llllienzie under the sixth sec-
tion of their act of incorporation, which is as follows :
" Sec. 6. There shall be paid to the treasurer of said asso-
ciation, for the use and benefit of such association, by every
person who shall act in the city of Chicago as agent for or
on behalf of any individual or association of individuals not
incorporated by the law of this State to effect assurances
against losses or injury by fire in the city of Chicago,
although such individuals or association may be incorpo-

rose by anot

her State or country, f

le sum

of two dollars upon the hundred dolllrs, and at that rate
upon the amount of all-premiums whic!l, during the year, or
part of a year, ending on the next nr.leedine• first day of

ante effected or agreediObecfiectedo;PQised by him
such agent, or otherwise against loss or injury by fire in the
city of Chicago," The unconstitutionality of this imposi- I

York,. of
---------_
tion of a tax of two per cent. on the receipts of insura?. c;
agents, payable to the Firemen's Benevolent Asseeiti(6)36
was the point at issue. The defendants demurred to og
declaration, on the ground that this section of the act
unconstitutional. tllls
ATLANTIC STEAM-SHIPS.—The Liverpool, New
Philadelphia Screw Steam-ship Company's steamer New
Baltimore will leave the Mersey this forenoon, for f
York direct, with 350 passengers, a moderate Care
at
1;g,
the United States mails. The box at the
will close at half-past eight, and finally st_, to.
past nine, and on the landing-stage at half-ps" ty
The City of Baltimore will be succeeded 11_ lig
Cunard steamer Europa. the box at the Post-offieo,_af
close at eight o'clock, and finally at nine, and thee
ill
house on the landing-stage, George's Pier-head, will be.°Tof
until ten o'clock forenoon. Owing to the American
e3-;ico
Congress, which requires that whenever ante, ,111,000,
steamer is sailing she will have. the mails in Pr'este
a British one, and Commodore Vanderbilt having tide 00
his steamers to Southampton on the days that th e 41
ought to come to Liverpool, the City of Baltirooro
probably be deprived of the homeward mail from Nele fil
of the 23rd April ; and, under these circumstances, ',l" lettO
call at Queenstown on the homeward voyage, to lalt"„f tlO
and passengers only, and the succeeding steamers:it tke
company will make Queenstown a port of call, wue Iso,
detention will not exceed two or three 11°ursT.,*.vert
company's steamer, City of Manchester, will leave i--ort FA
on Friday, 2nd April, to load at Belfast, which,P she
will leave on the 6th, calling at Queenstown, wit,en,l—d
sail finally on the Bth for New York direct. -11', ;•tirov
thus have the best opportunity of having its '`e°l ,
traffic with North America amply provided for. 1., gerat
AN IMPUDENT ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN £lO .---;," egardel
at the Birkenhead County Court, before J. " ' J,r
Esq., judge, the following important case
to )1 Thet
waswhomp Iplaintiff
an theytteifrdwas ear..a.o I
which, it is presumed, will act as a warning to P',,portf
stated, carried
cneamtr
hrpieleodcyaosne inwt
the
ehs
beau
spienressosno transferf
namedaocf
on ies:i:rseile
fey
in Mona-terrace, Great Homer-street, and the,. the
was Mr. William Rhoden, formerly the owner 01 " ' -

siss
lie

_-nand Hotel, Chester-sti•eet, Birkenhead. it Ew. t
for £9, as commission for letting a public-house,o tb
alleged that the defendant had paid 20s on nee,(,'ol/ et,
Jones appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr.. for '
solicitor to the Licensed Victuallers Associattoo‘,ol'
defendant. The plaintiff, on being sworn, stated;,
estate agent, and had been employd to assist in
defendant's public-house, to a person
Rhoden, who, although of the so.
relation to the defendant. He also s,-
defendant had agreed to give him the £lO, Pl'a4
premises were disposed of to Thomas Rhoden, i'izilynie
had paid 20s. on account. In answer to Mr• lot
said he would positively swear that the defetuitile
'promised him the £lO. At the request of Thel°;4oo,*
he, with a publican named Brabie, and another Peos-4.4
to the defendant's house on the 12th of JanuarY 001
after having some drink, the parties had some c°to goelj
about the property, and then he was requested to
the cellar and measure the stock. When the,s'.o reolli
the room Thomas Rhoden left for a few min
he was gone, the defendant said, "If you is ge
him to take the house I will give you ,C 10." t beg,
ask the defendant to stand a " fiver." He did ,4115, bse
complaints made of his being an impostor. ,eion
Thomas Rhoden for £lO, in the same transa"
it had been paid. He thought he was entitled.t°,
each party. His Honour : Then you drop 111
assistance, and then claim £lO from each p3'
valuable services ? Defendant Yes.
did everything, but was not present at the '
i ijog
(A document was produced, in which then Pe';"
words appeared to be of the smallest conseqelic;
not stamped, as required, so it was taken for 3504
was worth—nothing.) Thomas Brabie was tile, ones
he spoke to having heard the defendant proraPeol!
give him £lO. He also stated that he had keo the
thing about "a fiver." Another witness spoke Vt.!
effect. This being the case for the plaintiff,
proceeded to address the court for the defendant,
course of his observations said, that this if.

e
e

.0 b"'1:1

...lost barefaced attempts to get money bLinli',ila
had ever come into a court of justice. Ile ,s:stste
that there was not one word of truth in t.ily 1;:
and that any professional gentleman would for Sty
all the work that the plaintiff had den° lei."
shillings, while he sought to obtain la° The Y °
£2O. He then called Mr. William Rhoden. that 't,3
said he had spoken to the plaintiff, but after 061,1°.4
arranged with Mr. Rhoden to take the hoaseioJitet
person named Wilson with him, and when h°
„bie
plaintiff that he did not wish him to trZ eff.l
further, he requested to go to the house. lie
at that time agreement had been made' 0,
heard anything about the promise to pay
himself been sued for £lO, and had paid it. ptiogdo3;
think that anything had been done at the„,ra,e,;o3o,'iil
12th, except the parties all getting drunk. 1-,."'asd
said, from what he saw of the parties, he well';to Ole;
Rhoden that he thought the parties were trYillYV
of them, and wished to get rid of them, and f 0 °t 03,1 eft
they gave Sneade 20s, and told him they dioltl,"ilell,'!;Otrt
and told him he was a rogue. He denied Oita tb".,,ip',ll,
employed him. Mr. Nelson fully corrobollie iriee
merit. His Honour said it was clear that t
eared...a
had been made before the plaintiff had ati)y bev,.116
scene, but two witnesses had sworn that tiiethe 0-
agreement, but looking at all the facts °f, reibte;cl;r
thought they must be mistaken, and should, t'e elf
ree

a verdict fo; the defendant. The verdict NT
great applause. _

, oto
MINISTERIAL alSf Sitalto
The Daily News remarks that the spec:F:s V,
Pakington, in reply to Sir James Graham, se'bri64llle:
end to all chance of accommodation, and t°l,orii .4
back to the state in which they were left b 7
speech on Monday week.
The Times says that after much fluetnatio,"tott);pt,
Sir Pakington has pledged his governineu%
staked on the issue of the debate ; and t7i,ora
This week we trust will decide the fate °` dio
Reform Bill. tiler ~„c
The Morning Star says : "No one has allY ° Lof
than that ministers will resign office.';
•,e2a,

The Post, however, remarks that the go"eiliiini
ing the commands of the majority, may, lf P y 031
the bill a good one. They may resign, or t1.1,e,„
The responsibility in each case must rest vintobecto
The Herald thinks there is still a large ii)ler the
which is called the liberal party who relneulfest
of fair play, and that this section will de
attempt of Lord John Russell. 4

NEW MINISTERIAL ARRAN;atrtbeilieti
Before even it can be known with certa—
will be a change of Government, it has beell,,,"t ,
the West--end clubs who is to come in, and 'IP— -A I-
be assigned to each statesman. ~d 11/"?,, V
According to the Morning Star it is repora-eatlio.);'
Russell will make up a Ministry, • depea
Palmerston and those who acted Nv',l rshir
Similar rumours give the lea'e.
I 5
House of Lords to Lord Broughton, who
Stanley's - -- as Secretor'

successor
The Board of Trade is conferred on gr. ""
the Poor-law Board on Mr. James Clay; thol r '
taryship on Mr. John Abel. Smith ; the thTetio,
ship of Home Department on Viscount' *lige
according to the same quid -motes, Lord 13,1 to
the Duchy of Lancaster ; the Earl of CtlV,berf
the Minister of War is to ble Mr. Sidney ne"
Colonial Secretary the Duke of Newcastle

,'";
A. MURDER DISCOVERED BY A d
if true, of a horrible murder is relates saraifiel
journal' of a recent date, of which we melee with
Two brothers, Israelites, set out from Gr" sell. 10e/
placing their two daughters at a boardingobeir tko
town of Grosswardein. During the night,°g left $a
thp vivincraef ....A ten. Wh° 14?,,

urin the

being L declared that she saw her father ii- 10.
mbeerpuiancgifiteede,kshthe
hiiterly
the neat morning urdered. • The mother, for some ti
eioteti
noticewould of the child's declaration, but, a 5 She S heOels
town, whom she declared her drearo, 5 ~a liflii
same' e
time
that the murderers del two vlc oiate ,
the neighbourhood, whom she berately ?to 0'
ande further added that the murder wads °I/V:050414
ebecghainldteb lefeiNittrlinieet:ltg;r!lot,
The
erance of the forest, on the road to
mayor, after receiving this revelatl;boars
prudent to make in uirafter the two 01, tl"
y 1 enough,
sated by the child, q , when, singular y olis
discovered
.re to be absent from home. , 00,
to
humstance induced the mayor to despate.discofertro
t e forest alluded to by the child, wil° the g. 'IP
which horrible
spectacle of five bodies extended on_,,,bterTr
thhiclii were those of the brothers, the tyro data 0170
( river of the vehicle in which they allotoso: 10 gro_.ber•
turee t u re 13/
The corpses appeared to have all bee. ..,,,0 it 13a
to prevent • their identity, and the (de '1 4., eia efo
veh facers '" .sneo I
discovered.
This horrible tragedy led the o
itte r IV'
" -nod, when they fortwil,,tant, 0 0,10
' q fair not far n'' schicil 500
on tiler 1,10
-me notes;lo,
... are
.to

upon t

stiffifee;
_ 0 ilw

ie two neig

abours at

speaurstati ofe n then the child,
ne Or being
and on theeru_ufproil;
.edged the fiog.
displayed in their capture. Bent,
..coo
iganhbdouritshooci. x elChed
~33c1e•
......sietoise:citea

were in the very act of chang
spots of blood were visible:
modintpiv the crime,

TttE LATEST TELEGRAMS.

FRANCE.
?Alt's, Tuesday, March 29.—The Patrie states
that
Government has decided upon adding a fourth
batallion to each of the 100th infantry regiments of
the line.
of The new batallions have to be formed out
the third and sixth companies of the already
batallions. The Emperor received Count
uavour toda
Probably quiy, at two o'clock p.m. The Count will
t Paris to_ morrow for Turin.

THE FRENCH FUNDS.
PARIs, Tuesday, March 29th., 11 44 a.m.—Rentes
`-'"lllericed very fiat, at 68.10, and are now 68.5.
1,115 P.m.—The Bourse opened with a declining
—ndeneY; Rentes 67.90, being a fall of more than Per cent. since yesterday.
3R
- P.m.—An improvement has taken place, and
c' 05e at 68.10 for money, and 68.5 for account.
Railway shares about the same as yesterday.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

FRANCE.
stallvAß;is, Mondy, 6 p.m.—The period of M. Cavern:l'l
1 „"/1 Paris is uncertain; some believe he will
remain In a day or two ; others that he will
appears some time longer' By all accounts he
and very very well pleased, is in high spirits,
N,l•l`. confident of success in the object of his
aisit, 1,.
Ile has dined with the Emperor since his
nlrrival
A eri tete-a-tete. Not even Prince Napoleon
lalit"" less M. Walewski was present. That the
he t'er should be dispensed with, no one wonders ;
R 18
ale Occupant of the Hotel des Affairs Etran-
_eres ,Q,
serim: u‘C., but has really as little to do with any
s
in the question of politics as the statue of Spartacu
feat,e garden of the Tuileries. Now, if M. Cavour's
ecm:ires express contentment and joy, it is naturallylike'4ll..ed hat the Imperial policy must be wahr-
repr' tu°ugh it is otherwise spoken of to
all, °sectutives of foreign Powers. Perhaps, aftteie-
ot.fadeeneterli,se
iseetntetrencoen quoted from the Piedmontese
the i‘el of the Friday is true, that theeobn-
Sardinian army is re-assured
warlike
PaPersahellejavelista of Paris. Some
_of the
moderate
re
genera taze-
I have been recommendedth use more
little handleYto Kaage in speaking of Austria, and
discuss the subject so as to aford as
f
ale foreigU as Possible for rejoinders on the part o
The Ga, itiress.
assumed cette de
I, France protests against the right
1144iir8 of usyentieA great Powers of interfering in the
strutted
AazeelinTile`lary States.
~I.lleted L 1 the engineer, at Havre, who Fond-
orders ~ the machines of the Aigle, has received sheathed to
„,, construct machinery for three frigates to e
La Des"`' With iron. These frigates are to be called
that letter from
4,traction, L,
Abordage, and. L'Assaut.
Marseilles, of the 26th inst., states
tove," fresh expedition has been organised for dis.-
coridlug. the
c,, source of the Nile.. The expedition is
had;-!. by M. Miani, a Venetian, who has in-
-". kjairo for the last ten years.

AUSTRIA.
VIEli
triet irn .1-k, March 26.—The Congress was to have
aeees-3nediately, but a new difficulty, which must
refuses lead to some delay, has arisen. Sardinia
Will neB t° discontinue her armaments, and Austria
her
„I send a Plenipotentiary to.. the. Congress if
raeaac,';
nu-vrsary persists in maintaining such
_a
-Post "tg and aggressive attitude. The Ost-Deutsehe
ti(dil,Yesterday could not
and utehr,atte observed that the Congress .
in the midst of the clang and clash of arms ,
.1-' m- --"i"laell Austria agreed to the proposed Con-
6aere„; s'le made disarmament on the part off
ollrs;Lat a conditio sine qua non. As a matter
ono
the EraVaere will be a diplomatic correspondence
be, thalteet ' ain,d the end of the thing will probablyher
troo s fromSaroinia will consent to withdraw
+I,
Parin,Pa and ikli.e immediate frontiers of Lombardy,
aecepte'd44. --Lodena. All the great Powers . have
ChaPell le protocol of the Congress o.f Aix-la-
Such be; as the basis for future negotiations ;and,
that ei-eg the case, it is by no means unlikely
The Sardinia
Will be admitted to the Congress.t
Pow.,,ll:tissian proposition is, that the Five Great
Ilardiall meet in Congress, but France will
to b ' fail to urge
the be allowed that Sardinia ought, in justice,
to take part in the deliberations on
Will snot of things in Italy. This Government
the Con object to the admission of Sardinia to
elainigress, but, as a matter of course, it will
Shooid"7_ same Privilege for the other Italian States.
/toi ' tae great Powers agree to meet Naples,
theirlre' TuseanY, Modena, and Parma in conference,
Nri r.epeentatives will have to give the pas to the
the el,( it being expressly stipulated in an annex
ee„f lernia Act of Congress that the pal
ahre shall take precedence of the ambassadors
War ~eilveYB of the other Governments. T
Cout'artY in Austria is exceedingly annoyed that
alia it: Buoi has accepted the Russian proposition,a
failu,'t Predicts that the Congress will prove
dg, -e
" The evil day," says a man of high stand-
will„ .
aiarie
Ile 18 °lily postponed, for concession will be
cl from Austria, which she neither can nor
4.lCili:2;Prit France has played her game with great
Whit ,olsr she will be able to complete her armaments
s
Nvhi eh. "Lie diplomatists are engaged in negotiation
It Ls e,sallet possibly lead to a satisfactory result."
ace„'vident to me that Russia is about to balance
ie;nts.,with Austria.
frog ding to telegraphic advices of the 23rd inst.,
411eces-Tles, the King, who has just undergone a
-4.41 operation, is much better.

1 The \,,, SPAIN.
'1), %t, Z-Ladrid journals of the 24th have reached us.
ereatn-fi'enate on the previous day an incident whic
°II. th-' some sensation occurred. In the discussiono
attaele bill of
2,000,000,000 reals General Callonge
,°r I) Zl,:„s illegal, certain bills voted by the Chamberhe
T'iikie'Vs and sanctioned by the Crown ; and. s
titt °III te-
`ll his attacks in spite of repeated warning
k the P •
e4.le as contrarreysident (General de la Concha) that
Cr- validity to the standing orders to question
uwn. of the acts of the Chamber and the
kark, 4, General Callonge having continued his re-
could ‘"e President declared that the hon. member
Generhet be allowed to speak in such a way . The
'wheel deur.-
, glided that the Senate should decide
441 lire!'" \vas to continue or not, but the President
WU ; su,,ell motion could be put, inasmuch as tdhere
Illern- u'eubt that he was violating the stan Fig
84648,1 Chamber decided that the motion
bet aken into consideration.

TILE CAPE MAIL,
PLY.4ail ,°trTli, Monday Evenine,.—The Cape Royal
this Sikamer Dane, Captain Hoffman, arrived herest
Ileienlll°Ning. She left Table Bay Feb.l 21;
he.
asuaCa, March 3; Ascension, March 6, with t a
few
,Inails• She brought an average cargo, and
Aie Passengers.
beell '''e tape prosperity was general. Peace had
ti en
Illaintainecir along the frontier. A communica
that *had; however, just been received from Natalf
the f,„ar nad broken out between Umballi, chief_ o
_uptlicanutiewr tahse
elice„'onda Messa tribe, and the Bacas. In and
former had lost about fifty men, and
11
°II the -r) making large preparations to retaliate
, Tiler -"eas•
'Plibre was a rumour that the citizens of the
tjeu of the the Vaal River intended the destruc-
t he Le chief Mahura and the stations of M the centres of
tirawattention those great preparations to whichob
been
of the world has so recently
travekbY Dr. Livingstone and other missionaries_a and
oarbar-rs• as hoped, however, that such
The °;11.8 aggression would be abandoned.. ably i '4llnigrafion scheme was progressing f our-
him-, 11 the colony, but the complaint was
4,ll4l'.l,grants not being sent out fast enough, A large
generalav of
uer of juveniles had recently arrived from

Holland, and favourable reports were made of them
from all quarters.
The first turf of a railroad from Cape Town to
Wellington was to be cut by the end of March or
beginning of April. A company had also been
formed at Atala for the construction of a railway
from D'Urban, and that was likely to be finished
within the year ; if so, it will be the first railroad in
South Africa.

Parliament was summoned for Mardi 16.
The small-pox had disappeared as an epidemic
from Cape Town.
The shipment of horses to India Was proceeding
rapidly.
The Early Morn left D'Urban on February 13th,
with a cargo valued at £2o,ooo—an unprecedented
freight, for England. A large quantity of it
was ivory.
Three more Arab dhows, fitted only for the slave
trade, had been 'captured and destroyed, on the
Mozambique coast, by the Lyra; and Captain
Oldfield had been complimented by the Judge of the
Vice-Admiralty Court on his vigilance and success
in repressing this odious traffic.

TIIE NORTHERN TIMES, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 30, 1859

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS-TUESDAY.

The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack at five
o'clock.

JURIES IN CIVIL CAUSES BILL.
The second reading of the Juries in Civil Causes Bill was
moved by Lord Campbell, who vindicated and explained its
provisions at considerable length. It provided that in place
of unanimity, as at present, the agreement of three-fourths
of the jury should carry the verdict.
Lord Lyndhurst reprobated the subversion of a principle
which had for 500 years prevailed throughout the whole
system of British jurisdiction, and opposed the bill.
The Bill was supported at considerable length by Earl
Granville, Lord Cranworth, and Lord Kingsdown ; and
opposed by the Lord Chancellor and Lord Wensleydale.
On a division, the bill was rejected by 23 to 7.
The House adjourned at 20 minutes to 10.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-TUESDAY.

THE GOVERNMENT REFORM

BILL.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer, referring to the debate
on the Reform Rill, said that it was desirable that some
understanding should be come to as to its close, and proposed
that the debate should adjourn over that night, but that it
should be brought to a termination on Thursday. The
suggestion was received with manifest favour on both sides
of the house.

The adjourned debate on the bill was then resumed by
Mr. Gladstone, who observed that the house had manifested
a singular unanimity on the subject of Reform, and the differ-
ences as to the general question between members on both
sides of the house were so slight as to offer every opportunity
for its satisfactory settlement. Any one who should listen
to the debate blindfolded would not have been able to
distinguish from which side the various opinions came, he
therefore deeply regretted that with such a prospect before
them, they should still be unable to agree. The noble lord,
the member for London, was the last man to propose an
irregular resolution. While he could not help objecting to
that resolution on the ground of prudence and convenience,
he did not object on the abstract to the resolutions proposed
on the second reading of the bill, yet he maintained that
this was the first time when a resolution was 'proposed hav-
ing reference solely to certain of its portions. It was a
novelty, and he thought an inconvenient novelty. No doubt
it was tempting, and the present dislocated state of parties
to select certain unpopular details, and to demand a vote
upon them He would not conceive a practice which, if it
grew, up, would be more inconvenient and dangerous.
These considerations compelled him to refuse his assent to
the resolution. It had been said that the resolution was a
factious movw4_ If so, it was a very bad one, and did not
look like a joint. political plot on the part of the noble lords,
the members for Tiverton and London. He reprobated
the attack made by the Solicitor-General on Lord John
Russell, as unworthy both of himself and of the house.
The duty of all was to take that course which should
lead to an early and satisfactory settlement of the
question. He did not see in the resolution a pros-
pect of strong Government, or a decided measure
brought in by that Government, and he could not help
perceiving that the chief supporters of the resolution
agreed only on that single ground, and would afterwards
pursue a separate and individual course. The present
difficulty arose from the want of judgment on the part of
the government, in rejecting the advice of two of the ablest
of their colleagues. Had they introduced a bill in accordance
with that opinion, it would have met with very general
support. Still, now that the step had been taken, it was
the duty of the house to see how it could get out of its
embarrassment. The actual government had great oppor-
tunities. If any other government had been in power,
there would not have been the same unanimity on reform
itself. The government had a further claim from those
who, like himself, had been parties to 'former disappoint-
ments and entanglements on the subject of Reform.
It was admitted that the state of feeling which
existed in the country was highly satisfactory, , but
this was not owing to the way in which Reform had
been treated by the legislature. He enumerated the various
abortive pledges and promises made by various governments
—promises broken and avoided at one time, because there
was a war ; at another because there was a peace—at one
time by a dissolution of the legislation ; at another by the
dissolution of the ministry. Let them not add to the mis-
givings of the country by doing anything to interfere
further with its future progress. Many of the supporters
of the resolution supported it more as a mild censure
than as a direct negative, but the ministry refused to
receive it as a caveat, on the part of the House,
lest it should be overwhelmed by the force of the govern-
ment in committee. This took it as a direct censure on the
bill, and they refused to go on with the bill if not carried.
He must take them, however, as he found them. He shared
in all objections to the bill which had been made on both
sides of the house. He would not be a party to disfran-
chisement of the borough voters, to the uniformity of the
franchise, to the absence of any provision for lowering the
borough franchise. This last appeared to him to be the
main object of any Reform Bill, without which they might
as well save their time in the discussion of the subject. But
the bill had one merit, to which sufficient credit had not
been given. He fully approved its proposition for the re-
distribution of seats in this respect. It was an improve-
ment on the bill of 1854, to which he was himself a party.
A measure proposing a much larger disfran-
chisement would have met with an opposition ,so
formidable that it would have had no chance of succeeding.
He did not approve of the wholesale disfranchisement of
small boroughs, which secured the return of men by whom
the government of the country could be carried on and
represented, besides many of the separate interests which
stood apart from the paramount interests of the nation.
They secured the return of men of thought, and masters of
civil wisdom, who had no small share in the good working
of the system. The consequence of a single ingress into that
house by the means of large numbers, would reduce the
legislature to a dead level, destroying not only its
ornament but its force and tending to results fatal
to the liberty of the nation. He enumerated the great
statesmen who had been introduced into that house
at an early age, by means of the small boroughs.
These boroughs were the nurseries of public men, who
subsequently represented the most open and largest consti-
tuencies of the country. Without them none but a very
limited class, some of dukes and earls, would have found
their way into the hi:Rise, when still in early youth at an
age when they could be best trained into efficient states-
men. How were the diverse powers and aptitudes which
had raised the country to its present height to be intro-
duced into the house at an age to make them available for
the public service, if the small constituencies were swept
away ? 'Referring to the resolution, he asked Lord J. Russell
if he would be nearer his object after he had carried his reso-
lution? His opinions were supported by an immense majority
in that house. There was no danger but they would not
prevail, but if expressed in the form of the resolu-
tion they would obtain at best but a narrow majority,
but if brought forward in committee they would be carried
almost with unanimity. These advocates would then be in
effect masters of the situation. If therefore they do not
pass the resolution, they were sure of attaining their objects,
but were they so sure, if the resolutions were carried, of
obtaining its object. He saw in it no effect whatever,
except what would retard the settlement of the question.
He admitted that the bill in itself deserved to be rejected
on the second reading, bat it was a question with him of
duty and prudence. They had been told by the government,
that if the resolution was carried they would not carry on
the bill. What then were they to do next. They would
have lost an engine by which as it seemed they
could carry out the ideas of the house. Neither a resigna-
tion nor a dissolution would tend to settle the question.
They would have neither. The Government would drop
the bill altogether, and go on without it. No, the house
had a bill before them, let them keep it. The passing of the
resolution would, therefore, be a misfortune to them all
except the member for Birmingham, who frankly owned
that he did not wish its settlement at the present moment.
The credit of Parliament had suffered by these repeated
miscarriages ; the interests of the country suffered by these
•discussions of constitutional topics. Neither the house or
the Government could keep up with the pressure and accu-
mulating busiims of the State. They could not

afford the time which they frittered away on
consideration of Reform ; still more, to keep
•)en this question had of itself an unwholesome
and injurious effect. He, therefore, would vote with the
single object of obtaining a settlement of the question, with
no respect either to parties or to Government. He should,
for these reasons, vote against the resolution, convinced
that by so doing they would best discharge their duties as
the chiefs of the guardians of the British constitution.
Mr. Moncrieff denied that the course taken on the pre-
sent occasion had any thing to do with the party factions
motives, which had been confirmed by the debate, that
the points raised by the resolution were not isolated
points, but were essential principles of the bill.
Were it otherwise, how came it to pass that the
two colleagues of the Government had retired rather
than consent to these points? He discussed at length the sub-
ject of reform ; he had no fear, he said, of the extension of the
borough suffrage, but he had of the extension of influence.
The bill contained provisions tending to the first, but no
effectual provisions tending to the second. The bill
diminished the popular influence and increased that of
persons locally unconnected with the constituencies. The
popular influence had never been exerted to any bad effect
that it should be thus dealt with. He argued in detail
against the various propositions of the bill, contending that
they were such as statesmen ought not to adopt. The ministry
had proposed the adoption of a £lO in counties, and a £6
in the boroughs. They would have been met on that
side in the most liberal spirit. He maintained
the claims of the educated working classes to which
their conduct deserved, and which they might demand
as a right from the legislation, whose duty was to serve
and protect them.
Mr. Robert Palmer opposed the resolution, though dis-
approving
.of the principle of uniformity of franchise and
the reduction of the county franchise to £lO. Upon these
grounds he hesitated before he could make up his mind to
vote for the second reading, but hearing from the Ministry
that the provisions of the bill were to be considered in
committee, and hoping that Mr. Walpole and Mr. Henley
would make their motions for a £2O county franchise and
a £6 borough franchise, he ftlt that he could give his vote
in favour of the bill.

I Mr. Westhead brought forward a series of facts to settle
the injurious effects of the proposed transfer of the votes
of the borough freeholders to the counties. The country
asked for a reduction of the franchise, and all they got was
this transfer; the opinions of Mr. Walpole and Mr. Henley
would, if carried out, have met, in his opinion, all the
requirements of moderate reform. The most vicious
point in the bill was the distrust it manifested of the
people of England. He supported the resolution, though
he should be sorry to displace the Ministry who had
so conducted themselves on all occasions as to deserve the
respect of the country. Major Edwards, though he did
not approve of all the provisions of the bill, thought that
the good predoininated over the bad, and thought that the
Government deserved the thanks of the community, for
having brought forward their bill under circumstances of
great difficulty. The bill enfranchised more than 300,000
of the population, and on that ground he should warmly
support the second reading. If the resolution was carried
it was the duty of the Government to appeal to the country
against a movement brought on by the factious conduct of
the opposition. He had no fear of the resolution, which
would be, he was persuaded, nothing less than the complete
annihilation of the Whig party. The opinion of all the in-
fluential classes in the country was favourable to the present
ministry.
Mr. Collier said, the arguments in favour of the bill had
been feeble, itw and far 'between, and self-convicting, the
best that could be said of it by its ministerial defenders
was, that it could be amended in committee ; he knew not
which statements were most damaging to the bill,
those of its defenders, or those of its opponents.
If all honorable members acted as they had spoken, the
ministers would not have fifty supporters. They
were now called upon to vote contrary to their
convictions for insufficient reasons. According to the argu-
ment of Mr. Gladstone and Mr. Horsman, who had said
that everything could be done in committee, the second
reading of a bill was a mere matter of form. It had been
said that by the alteration of a few lines they could make
the bill a good one. Why, they could destroy the British
Constitution in six lines. The Crown and the House of
Lords could be overthrown, and the six points of the
charter established in eighteen lines. He was not to be
deterred from voting in accordance with his duty, by threats
either of resignation or dissolution. It was altogether a
mistake to suppose that to agree to the second reading of
the bill would settle the question ; that mistake was founed
on an erroneous estimate of the feelings of the people. The
country was now quiet, because every one expected that the
House would reject the measure. That measure was a dod,,e
intended not to reform, but to keep a certain party in
power. If the bill were read a second time, an agitation
would follow equal to that which took place four and
twenty years ago. He supported the resolution as negativ-
ing the bill, and stated a reason for so doing.
Sir J. Walsh said that the Government, as Conservatives,
could not be expected to bring forward a bill which would
satisfy men of advanced opinion, but they did hope that
they would have been assisted in settling the question.
The Liberal party constituted, without a doubt, the majority
of the House; but they were split into so many divisions
that any agreement between themselves upon the principles
of reform was impossible, nor could they force a Govern-
ment to carry out those principles. The only hope was in
the Conservative party, and under these circumstances he
should give his decided opposition to the resolution.
Mr. Owen Stanley explained his reasons for putting a
vote of censure upon the notice paper, and 'for withdrawing
that notice after the explicit declaration of the Attorney-
General for Ireland, that the Government would consider
the rejection of the bill equivalent to a vote of censure.
Mr. Macaulay contended that the bill conferred a wide
extension of the franchise on the community, and protested
against the way in which it was discussed in detail on the
motion for the second reading. He defended the principles
of the bill, including the uniformity of suffrage and the
propositions respecting the borough freeholders. He com-
plained that the opposition had made the subject a handle
for electioneering speeches-in that house. There were only
two systems in which the franchise could be conferred
either by indiscriminate admission or by selection.
The bill adopted the system of selection, and carried it out
on principles which he fully approved. He pointed out
that many. of the supporters of the resolution held very
advanced views on the subject, and gave their support in
furtherance of those views. It was, therefore, only to be
expected that the passing of those resolutions, instead of
being a settlement of the question, would be the signal for
a renewed and dangerous agitation. In opposing the re-
solution, he at least knew what he was voting against, while
its advocates did not know what they were voting for.
Mr. Mellor congratulated the government on having at
last found an independent member, who ventured to defend
the principles of the bill. He did not believe that the bill
ought to be allowed to go into committee, resting as it was
on such objectionable foundations. He protested against the
imputations thrown out against the opponents of the
bill, as disunited and factious. The Ministerial party
as was shown by their speeches on this occasion were at
least as little united, while the conduct of the Ministry last
year was open to the charge of party combinations. Ho
did not see why, if the resolution passed the Ministry, if it
was sincere, should not proceed with the bill which retained
some points which he approved. Believiw, that the resolu-
tion expressed, is a concentrated force of objections to
the bill, he should cordially support them.
Mr. Hardy urged the house to take advantage of the
opportunity forsettling the question of reform, an opportunity
which might never occur again in so favourable a form.
It was impossible to introduce a bill which would give uni-
versal satisfaction, but the proper course under such cir-
cumstances was to consider it in committee. He blamed
the course adopted by Lord John Russell by attacking the
bill by resolution. The bill respected local rights, it
deprived no man of his franchise, and was framed
on principles of justice and equality. It contained a basis
on which they might fairly consider what would be of
most advantage to the interests of the country. The sup-
porters of the resolution had different objects in view, and
would, if carried, entail great difficulties hereafter on some
of those supporters. It was supported by Mr. Bright on
the avowed ground that he wished to bide his time. The
language held by Mr. Bright in the provincial towns was
highly to be reprobated, especially with regard to the
aristocracy. Mr. Bright found many listeners, but few ad-
herents, and was unable to rally the country round to his
proposal to Americanise our institutions. Recurring to the
bill itself, he defended the course pursued with regard to
the borough voters, observing that those voters were in most
instances more anxious to vote for the boroughs in which
they had an interest, than for those counties
in which they had none. Whatever might be the
result of the discussion, the Government had, at least,
endeavoured to settle great questions, and had shown its
sense of dignity in refusing to accept an insulting resolu-
tion. Let these opponents reflect upon the course they were
pursuing, which would entail upon them the necessity of
proposing a measure of their own, produced under pres-
sure, when the country would be no longer calm. They
might be found taking a step fatal to themselves as a party
to the interests of the country, and which would compel
them to take refuge hereafter under the protection of the
Conservatives, against the rocks and missiles hurled on them
by
tzgerald undertook the defence of Lord 3.
Russell
t
having proposed the resolution, and from
h re s. Radicals.r
for.F i
Mr.
having been a party to the disfranchisement of the 40s.
freeholders in Ireland. That measure was proposed by Sir
R. Peel, contrary to the opinion of the noble lord. The
way to stem the tide of democracy was not by bringing in
a bill under the pretence of reform, but a really satisfactory
measure. With the exception of the members of the
Government, and Mr. Maeauley, no one had ventured to

defend the principles of • the details of the bill. He
demanded that the Government should, before the debate
closed, state its intentions as to a reform bill for Ireland,
and, if so, on what basis it was to be placed. Was the
county occupation franchise to be reduced, or that of the
borough to be altered. He should support the resolution,
reserving to himself the right of suspending his decision as
to the second reading till he saw whether those resolutions
were accepted by the Government or not.
Mr. Du Pre moved the adjournment of the house.
Sir D. Norrevs, Mr. Lindsay, Mr. Collins, Mr. Joseph
Locke, and other members, demanded that an opportunity
should be given to all members, who were desirous of so
doing, of expressing their opinion, and protested against
the understanding that the debate was to close on Thursday.
Sir J. Pakington said that if the house desired it, no
difficulty would be thrown in the way of the continuance
o' the debate.
Lord J. Russell said that the matter might be left till
Thursday arrived.
The debate was then adjourned
The Patents for Inventions of War Bill was read a third'
time, and passed.
The House then adjourned at a quarter before one.

EXTRAORDINARY CASE OF EXTRAVAGANCE.
At the Insolvent Debtors Court, London, yesterday,
Thomas Lloyd, described as a gentleman, having formerly
been in the army, and whose case was before the court on a
former occasion, appeared for adjudication. The complaint
was one of reckless extravagance, made on the part of Mr.
Thomel, dressmaker, of Regent-street. Mr. Reed opened,
and Mr. Sargood supported. There were sixty-two resi-
dences in the schedule, and the debts were nearly £20,000,
of which about £10,003 was due to the insolvent's father,
living in Ireland The insolvent was married
some years ago. and his income was about zoo
a year. He had travelled about in various parts of the
United Kingdom, and had contracted debts. He owed Mr.
Thomel £BO, and the prior debt had been paid by Mrs.
Lloyd's father. The insolvent went to prison in May last,
and the vesting order was the 22nd of January. Mr.
Reed urged upon the court that a judgment should be
given to mark its sense of the reckless extravagance pur-
sued by the insolvent. The Commissioner reasoned with
Mr. Thomel, who declared that he wanted justice, and
remarked that the insolvent's father was a rich man.
Mr. Commissioner Murphy said the court would,- never
put the screw of imprisonment on a man because his
father was rich. Already had the insolvent been 11 months
in prison. Mr. Thome' suggested that further imprison-
'ment would keep him 'out of mischief, and prevent further
debt. (A laugh.) Mr. Commissioner Murphy said he
should consider the time the insolvent had been in. prison,
and he expressed his intention to give a judgment which
would have the effect to make the imprisonment extend
over twelve months. His Hononr gave a judgmmit of
three calendar months from the vesting order on the 22nd
January.