The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-02-06 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,

TiOUSE OP LORDS.—THurtsDAY.
he Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack at
o'clock.
Lonrvan gave n
aprestion to
134 t ard Dun
P.fCa. that to-morrow he should
one Postmaster General as to whether
—ftngement had been come to with respect to the
tstablisinnent of a new steam packet communication be-
jeen Holyhead and Kingstown ; and on Monday week
; should ask the President of the Council whether her
thaetstY's Government intended making any alteration in
"Ystern of granting tickets of leave, or of returning to
-4e system of transportation.

PERSIA.
The Earl of Albemarle said it was his intention on
kona
h -aY next to move for returns of the total expenses of
11;e diPlotuatic mission to the Court of Persia from the year
83 to that of 1814, comprehending the whole of the ex-
Iren,tl!6B lacurred by the English Government and the East
Company on account 'of the British Legation of
9la for the last year, for which the account might be
flip,. Is
iratelllBrd. In bringing forward this motion he had no
t,k„„ ,I°ll to anticipate the discussion upon the course
to o'Y her Majesty's Government in advising the Crown
deelare war with Persia, but rather to raise the ques.
,211 as to what would be the future policy of the Govern-
aient t
*at °wards that State. On a future occasion it was his
Ithsention to move that the diplomatic relations between
Is 'country and Persia be not renewed.
THE CHINESE WAR.
The Earl of Ellenborough asked the noble earl the
ti,
entetarY for Foreign Affairs, whether it was the inten-
kee„- c'r the Government to produce the deposition of Mr•
th,„„lledY relative to the alleged outrage of the Chinese
`"orities by the lorcha Arrow ; also as to whether he
ra°4ll lay on the table a copy of a despalch from the
"%meat at home to Sir J. Bowring, suthorising him
to
demand from the Chinese at Canton a fulfilment of the
ti4atY relating to the free access to the cities, more par-
-o,holarlY Canton.
4,,,,411e Earl of Clarendon said the deposition of Mr. Ken-
-1,7 was included in the papers laid before the House.
Pah delay that had occurred in the presentation of the
t4earaa Was in consequence of its being desirable to add to
tion map of Canton. With respect to the other ques-
-11 aPecitlc instructions had been given to Sir J.
pee el,riat? the Government beyond those which he had
Ca upon upon leaving this country. On his arrival at
w7illoa, it appears that he demanded an interview, which
Was refused.
t. :Ile Earl of Derby expressed a hope that the papers
toPaey.rsia would be laid on the table with the least
poegible delay.
He wished to know whether they would
Would be laid on the table next week ?
the
he Earl of Clarendon said the papers would be laid on
table in a few days. The reason he could not state
the pi. •
Pais Precise day was that negotiations were going on at
The
Earl or Derby said such a circumstance was no
w-e;:n for delay ; hat he did not ask for papers which
for
thconneeted with matters now under negociation, but
e Papers which led to the war.
After a short conversation the subject dropped.
THE EARL OF CARDIGAN AND HIS REVIEWERS.
The Earl of Cardigan rose to put 'a question to the
Goble lord the Secretary of War. The question which he
wished answered had reference to a subject of defamation
tr character of officers holding commissions in the army.
1110 usual course had been that redress for maligning of
character was had by a personal meeting, but public
a
pia.
I°4 had undergone a great change in that
Peet, and the law had been rendered most severe
Ivah
8' reference to the affairs of honour. The only
'°llree left was an application to the authorities.
to (Lord Cardigan's) character had been seriously
en. fined, and his reputation had been assailed in a most
tohstifiable manner by an officer holding her Majesty's
h4l He had written a work in a feigned name,
- the author was no other than Major Celthorp. That
ow„
er had admitted that two or three allegations were
4
rae, and he had explained the others in such an offen-
het:l'llller that his explanations were perfectly unsatis-
drauY, and the reason he stated for not publicly with-
to 11-g them altogether was, that it would be inconvenient
• lreself.
Ord
the ranmure regretted that the noble earl had taken
thi e°tlrse he had done. He thought that after having
Also lnod the approbation of the late Lord Raglan, and
atib the thanks of this house, he should not have taken
ireerTiee of the circumstance he had alluded to. He
with the Commander-in-Chief, that no notice
the be taken of any more publications. If such was done
ehPvertinsent of the army would be impossible. He also
ved, that as the publication of the letters was
144Y111°118 the remedy was difficult; he advised the noble
pas. ") be content with the testimonials which he held, and
tell; c'ver the aspersions with contempt, or he might seek a
Lord
la a court of law.
tea °l'd berners moved for a return of the tickets of leave
Lllted, and offered some remarks on the subj,:et.
,poetrel Campbell intimated, that if the subject was not
hia ,to Come under their notice, he should have thought
411tY to draw the attention of their lordships to it.
fte
r a brief discussion the subject dropped.
fie
lordships rose at a quarter to seven o'clock.

Abe USE OF COMMONS—TriunsDAY..
6Peakor took the Chair at four o'clock.
On 41 NEW WRIT.
for gi
.
motion of Mr. Hayter, a new writ was or dered

IktiCingston-on-Hull, in the room of Sir W. H. Watson,
°ne of the Barons of the Court of Exchequer.
INCOME TAX,
went riens Were presented against the income tax assess•
klita,trnlO Hinckley, Norwich, Linc3ln, Portarlington,
t4tiCnrgh, Cirencester, East Retford, D ivonp)rt, Barn-
e' buOiley, and from numerous other places.

Mr CONVOCATION.
t4W no: Phillimore gave notice that he should, to mor-
-4114Z the First Lord of the Treasury if he intended to
'e Convocation of Canterbury to sit any longer.
r, GENNRAL POLLOCK.
ej
,;"'C'ebllolC gave notice that he should move, on an
Di no maY, that the papers relative to the removal of Gen.
Ltici 4 from the direction of the East India Company be
en. the table of the House,

, kr, PERSIA..
p (41Yard gave notice that he should to-morrow ask if
olvjevr6iall AMbassador at Paris was negociating with Lord
1144' with the same power he possessed when at Constan-
ntl thee and When the papers relative to Persia would be laid
table of the house.

MAYNOOTII.
tQOve 'Pooner gave notice that this day fortnight he should
lelit; a committee of the whole house to consider the acts
k`rtlit to the grants to Maynooth, (Hear, and laughter.)
4twb Maeartfley asked the Attorney General for Ireland,
C, 3t lt Period of time it was communicated to the Chief
that Zissioner of the Encumbered Estate Court, in Ireland,
No►lB duties were to cease previous to the Ist! day of
fete her
C 0
last; and to the other Commissioners, that they
144 6- nndertake and dispose of all matters hitherto in.
Commissioner's Court, from the time of his re-
bill i and, also, whether he was prepared to bring in a
la
aceOrdance With the report of the select committee of

the House of Commons, for improving and altering the
busincBs of the Court of Chancery, in Ireland ?
The Attorney General for Ireland said that he would
give an answer to the first question to morrow ; and with
regard to the second, that a great change had been made
in that court, and would continue till July, 1858, when it
was anticipated the Government would be prepared to deal
with the court, consequently at present no change would
be made till then.

Mr. Hums asked the Secretary for Ireland whether the
Government had it in contemplation this session to intro-
duce a bill to assimilate the weights and measures through-
out the various counties and market towns of Ireland ?
Mr. Horsman
,said ons was in preparation for the
ragulatioa of fairs and markets in Ireland, and that would
embrne weights and measures,

Major Sibthorp asked the First Lord of the Treasury
whether her Majesty's Government intendad to take any
Measures for the release of the British seamen shipwrecked
on the coast of Formosa, aid now is cAptivity on that
island ?

Sir G. Grey said instructions had been sent to Sir John
Bowring to make inquirifs into the matter, and, if any
were iu captivity, to obtain their release.
Mr. Rice asked the President of the Poor-law Board if it
was his intention to propose during the present session any
measure on the subject of medical relief
Mr. Bouverie replied that it was not:

Mr. Beady asked the Secretary of State for the Home
Department, "if it was the intention of Her Majesty's
Government to introduce any measure this session fur the
better regulation of the sale of poisonous drugs ?

Sir G. Grey said that it was the intention of the Govern-
ment to introdUca such a bill at an early day.

THE VACANT JuDasnir.

Mr. Gladstone rose to ask a question of the Home
Secretary, which, if he were unable to answer it then, he
would repeat it to-morrow. It was whether the govern-
ment intended to fill up the vacancy in the Court of
Exchequer, occasioned by the lamented death of Mr. Baron
Alderson; or whether they intended to let it remain vacant
until such time as the judicial committee appointed for that
purpose had reported relative to the judicial establishments
in Westminster Hall

Sir G. Grey said it WAS the intention of the government
to fill up the vacancy, and not wait for the report, because
great inconvenience Would otherwise result from it.

HUDSON'S PAY COMPANY.
Mr. Labonchere moved for a select committee to consider
the state of those British possessions in North America
which are under the administration of the Hudson's Bay
Company; or over which they possess a license to trade.—
In doing so he gave an account of the holding of this
company in British North America, which dated from a
charter granted by Charles the Second in 1670, and by it
they claimed rights of an important description over
all the ports of British North America within Rupee t's Land,
described as lying on the rivers flowing into Hudson's Bay.
Indeed they claimed an absolute right to the soil. In
addition to that territory the company claimed a right over
that part of British North America lying between the
Rocky Mountains and the Pacific Ocean, known as British
Oregon, for a term of 21 years, 19 of which were expired,
and they also held a lease of Vancouver's Island for eleven
years, which would also expire in 1859. His reason for
bringing this subject before the house was in consequence
of his having received, some weeks ago, from the director
of the Hudson's Bay Company, a letter asking to be in-
formed if her Majesty's government intended to renew to
them the licenses they held under the crown. He thought it
was a question, involvi,,g as it did the question of commercial
monopoly—(hear)--which he held to be the peculiar
duty of this house to consider and decide on, and not
one on which he ought to pledge the Government, with-
out giving the house a full and fair opportunity of con-
sidering it. (Hear.) Ire replied to tho directors' appli-
cation, that he felt it to be his duty to bring the whole
question before a committre of .the House of Commons
this session, and, in justice to the company, he had to
state that on their receiving his answer, they expressed
not only a perfect willingness to have their affairs tho-
roughly and completely investigated, the only wish ex.
pressed by them being that the committee would well consi-
der any equitable claims they might have, and the right
hon. gentleman called on the house to view this question in
a large and statesmanlike manner, as it ought to be. He
next referred to the management of the company in British
North America, and said that they employed 1,200 persons,
selected chiefly from Scotland, who brought to bear in the
discharge of their duties that skill and shrewdness which
might bo expected from persons carefully selected from that
part of the kingdom; and he believed generally they had
given satisfaction to the natives, numbering abou t 300,000,
and that their rule had been beneficial to the Indian
population. The right hon. gentleman then referred to
the advantages of this trust for the purpose of emigration,
&c , and concluded by moving the appointment of a select
committee.

Mr. Roebuck said he should not oppose the motion. He
reminded the house that Charles 11. gave this company
what he had no right to give, and said that the Hudson's
Bay Company ought not to stand in the way of the interests
of humanity that were not bound up in this question. It was
the interest of the company not to encourage colonisation,
because as population ii:creased it would drive away the
wild animals from which the company derived their wealth.
A shorter course should have been adopted by the Foreign
Secretary than movi❑g for a committee, by bringing in
a bill to abolish the powers of the company in British
North America. His (dr. Roebuck's) motion was, that
the Government should civilise and colonise this great
part of the world, and, he hesitated not to state, to make
it a powerful and great preponderating power to the United
States.

Mr. ADDERLEY considered enquiry unneoessary,
and urged that it was the duty of the Government
to secure this territory for colonisation, which, from its
natural production, would be of incalculable benefit to
the commerce of this country. They had no right to
lock up this large territory as a preserve for wild
animal for the production of furs. He believed that when
the notice was given, nine-tenths of the members con-
sidered it was given, to consider it as regarded a penal
settlement; but he was happy to find it wis not; because
he considered it a part of the world not desirable for such
a settlement.

Mr. Ellice, jun., said the two last speakers laboured
under a error relative to the management and objects
of the Hudson's Bay Company, and that it was pre-
posterous to believe that any person would settle
in the Hudson's Bay territory; until
..the more
suitable parts of Canada were peopled. He asked
if the Hudson's Bay Company were to be deprived
of their powers
.in that part of the world, what govern-
ment was to be established i❑ its place to protect the
300,000 Indians inhabiting that region. Before the
Hudson's Bay Company had the monopoly there was
nothing but bloodshed and murder between the white
men and Indians. Since they had had possession of it
the Indians had been protected, and a different state
of things hadgarisen...4. Their rule had been a
beneficent and good rule, and beneficial to the
Indians. In the neighbourhood of the Red River
population had slightly decreased, but in the north part
they had increased and were increasing, which depended
greatly on the materials for comfort provided for the
Indians, because they were not easily civilised.
The difficulty would be to provide such a Government
in British North America, as would prevent the inhabi-
tants from attaching themselves to the United States
and to whom the trade would be transferred. The
charter had been several times recognised by Government,
because the company had saved the country the expense
of keeping the territory, and therefore they had now a
right to demand the favourable consideration of Parlia-
ment.

Mr. Gladstone disputed the claim of the company to
the territory granted under Charles If., and quoted the
original charter, showing that the grant expired in nine
years.

After soma discussion the motion was agreed to.
Mr. Labouchere obtained leave to bring in a bill to en.
able the subjects of the lonian States to hold military and
Naval Commissions under the Crown; and also a bill to
transfer the Ecclesiastical Government of Norfolk Island
from Tasmania to New South Wales.

Mr. W. W. Williams moved that notices of :motion on
going into committee of supply on the estimates shall have
precedence only_on alternate days.
Mr. Wyse seconded the motion, which, after a few
words in opposition from Sir G. Grey, was withdrawn.
Mr. Pellatt obtained leave, and brought in a bill, to
amend the law of Imprisonment for Debt, to extend the
remedies of creditors, and to punish fraudulent debtors.
The House adjourned at ten minutes past:seven.

TOTAL WEALTH OF THE UNITED STATES.—It is shown
by the American papers just received that the grand total
value "of real and personal wealth" of the whole of the
United States of America, in 1856, amounted to the sum
11,317,611,972 dollars, or nearly £3,000,000,000. The
population, at the same time, amounted to 26,964,312 souls.
The wealthiest states are those of New York, Pennsyl-
vania, Virginia, Georgia, Massachusetts, Kentucky, Ohio,
South Carolina, and Tennessee.