Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-01-06 00:00:00

NORTHERN DAILY.

detail -with—flirfiltn—cdirceiffasiiriliose cases, and
they .really found. that the anchoring of the ships
reported in the. track of the ferry-boats were cases
of necessity, or at the instigation of parties over
whom they had no control. He did not think debating
the matter there was calculated to assist in removing
the difficulty complained of .The case was one of:very
considerable difficulty ; aiid all he could say was, that
having seen a paper containing, a report of the Birken-
head Cominissioners' meeting the other: day, he was
rather _mortified . to think that any gentlemen on the
other side of the water would put forward such senti-
ments as were reported to have been uttered on that
occasion as the feelings which pervaded the board at
Birkenhead. .- Every authority on the Liverpool side of
'the river had ' been called into question—the Dbck
Board, the Police, and it was even said that the Pilot
Com.mittee had a disregard for human life. Now, this
was really a very difficult question, and as far as the
Pilot Committee-could exercise their power they were
prepared: to dd it ; but it was really making at the pre-
sent moment a faction fight of the thing. The matter
had been referred• to the Pilot and Marine'Committees,
who hoped to meet 'a deputation from the Birkenhead
Commissioners, and then whatever could possibly be'
done would be effected ; but as for stopping fogs,
or entering into an engagement for giving the boats
running powers during fogs,: the thing was quite out of
the question.

Mr, DARBYSHIRE said vessels had come out of deck
and immediately dropped anchor in the track or the
Weodside boats. One ship had been there for seven or
eight day's, and was there still. There shoUld be some,
power vested in the Board by which they could compel.
vessels to seek- a proper anchorage ground, for there was
plenty of room in the river. If a ship of his were taken
out of dock end anchored, there by the captain, he would
dismiss that man ; he would. not allow him to continue-
in his service if he would not conform tc,the regulations
of the port. -The captain was-the responsible man, and
the pilot should be bound by him: Hr bad heard a
great deal lately about the obstruction to the ferry traf-
fic, and he believed the Commissioners of Birkenhead
would be Willing to tow vessels- out of the track into
• safe anchorage. No doubt there was neat. excitement
on the subject-at Birkenhead but great.
believed the
Dock Board felt as' much interest in the-prosperity of
Birkenhead, now that they had got such a larg,e estate
-there, as they did in the welfare of Livevool. As
rerrarded'the qtiestiOn of the examination of meters and
mates of coasting steamers for pilots' licenses, he would
say that from the first he had taken a ghat interest in
the Mercantile Marine Service itssociatign, and he
could assure the board` that the 'gentlemen composing
that association were highly respectable—in fact„ a more
respectable body did not exist. (gear, hear.) There
were in that body many gentleinen:who had h many
years' experience in. the steam marine, who now- sailed
under certificates of competency, but' who were willing
to submit to an examination before gentlemen know-
ing something of steam.. He thought the board
should"- allow that respectable body to nominate
one of its members lo'sit at the Marti of Examiners.
In conclusion, again, adierting to theferzy track ques-
tion, he would say, iranything eau/ Pie done to remove
the difficulty between, Liverpool and-Birkenhead, let it
be done ; and if any fines could be ii posed for anchor-
ing ships in the track; let them be enierce(l7 -
The CHAIRMAN said,' probably the •Corainittee would
take M'r. Thoinson's letter into coasid.&ation.

Mr. FonWOOD thosght the' communication front the
Mercantile 'Marine /Asociation a most important one.
Shrely, as the' niasters and mates were so truer interested
in the obtaining of livitses, it would be bid a simple act
ofe,ourtesy- to allow teem to
.nominate a representative
in whom they had confidence to sie -at tine „Board of
Examiners.

Mr_ SUAND said the association ccukl. not appoint an
examiner ; they could suggest a name,' and the Dock
Board might appoint-the gentleman.
• Tr. 13ouLT said a•, representative of that body had
suggested that the examination should take Place in
public.
The CHAIRNUN—That is a matter-of •Lit-tarl for the
committee. _ _ _

Mr. LAIRD said heanderstood the fpiestio:n would be
considered next week, and that "tire committee would
do-what they could;'.'' but Mr. Shand's- premises were
vague. This was itAnestion of the lives of hundredi of
people as against the anchorage of 'five or six ships.
There was no bad feeling, on the other side of the water
towards the board bnt there was an earnest hope that
they would carry out that to whicliathe Corporation had
agreed some-years-ago; and, when...carried out, if, with
those regulations, was found iraposaiLln to work tiro
river, and that then- was not anchorage ground sufficient,
that would be the time to ask the interfere,
and to tell them that a clear trash. could not be .keptl
The deputation from the Birkenhead CoMmissioneri,
would meet tha Pilot and Marine .Committees in the
best possible spirit, and he hoped: something would be
done to put an end to the dangerous ()audition in which
the river was airing the foggy. weather; for it was not
a sufficient answer to say, "we-do all we can." Some-
thing effectual must be done, or why, let him ask, did
the board get power to carry out that bye-law which the
Corporation made ?
The Cua.lablAN said the selieitor would tell them the .
law on the subject. It was not so extensive as Mr. Laird:
supposed.
Mr. Non= said he believed' -no body of men, ever
entered upon any inquiry with a more sincere desire to
arrive at a. conclusion which: the-public seemed to expect
from them, than did the gentlemen composing the
Marine Committe when they inquired into the possibility
of keeping the track clear. After a lengthy.'and most
careful inquiry, the decision abwhich the committee arrived-
' wns, in substance, that the proposal for attempting to keep
a clear track for the Woodside Ferry steamers would
rather increase than diminish the danger. With respect
to the law,- unfortunately very considerable misappre-
hension existed. First, with reference to the power of
the board itself ; it was contained in the power to make
bye-laws—part of. the 221st 'section of the, act—which
gave:the board the power for regulating the mooring
and anchoring 'of vessels, and- coaling or supplying
steamers with coal for their own consumption In, the
river Mersey, and for prescribing the limits within which
and at which vessels should be moor .d and anchored,
&c. No doubt that was a complete power to make a
bye-law, which, if it were thought advisable, might
carry into effect what was now proposed ; but the only
penalty prescribed by_ the act was £5, and he was afraid
that would be -found utterly ineffectual for 'any practical
good.. The next question was as to the powers of the
Picot. Committee.
Mr. LAintu--But the act Dives you power to keep any
portion of_ the river clear, but the penalty for a breach
of the law is only £5.
The Soiacrron—That is so.
Mr. LAIRD—That is quite sufficient. You have the
power if you chose to exercise it.
Mr, MONDEL said the board could order the removal
of the ship in the track, but if she did not go, they
could only levy a penalty of £5.
The CHAIRMAN—You can proceed before a magistrate
and recover a penalty of £5.
Mr. LAIRD—You can compel the vessel to remove,
Mr. Sauna—No. She pays the penalty of £5 and
can remain. • • '
The &Amman went on to say that the powers of the
Pilot Committee were not understood. They had literally
no power in the matter whatever. All that committee
could do was to instruct, he would rather say, almost,
to recommend to the pilots under their charge that, as
far as practicable, they should abstain from anchor
ing in these certain prescribed limits ; but the pilot had
no such power. The captain had sole power in such a
matter as that, and any decided interference on the part
of the pilot would be exceedingly dangerous as far as
the Dock Board were concerned.
The Cnadimax—lnvolving pecuniary liabilities, in
fact. ,
The SOLICITOR—Just sO.
Mr. BROCKLEBANIC urged the committee to consider
the injurious codseqtiences 'that might result to ships
attempting to dock at Birkenhead when all the entrances
there were completed, by the anchoring of ships between
Liverpool and .Birkenhead.
Mr. LANGTON said he feared that by leading the cap-
tains of ferry-boats to 'suppose the track was clear when
some vessel might have happened to have come there
during fog, much injury might result. In his opinion
the danger would be greater in that case than when a
ship was anchored in the track.
Mr. MONDBL replied, and said if he had any credit
for nautical knowledge, he would say, that to grant the
Birkenhead people their request would be to increase
the danger of crossing the river in a fog. .
Mr. BOULT, after a patient investigation Of the
question, had arrived at the same conclusion;
Mr. HUBBACK supported the prayer of the Mercantile
Marine Service Association, which, he said, was com-
posed of a respectable and influential . body of the
mercantile marine, numbering, he believed, 1,000
gentlemen, all men competent to give a judgment in
nautical, matters. (Rear, lit m•.)

Mr. SHAND said the committee .aid not. for one
moment intend to dettact from the reapectability of the
association. (Hear, hear.). • •
The proceedings were . then confirmed, and
Thomson's letter referred to the committee. - •

DOCKS AND QUATS COMMITTEE.
The prOceedings of this committee contained a teCom-
mendation to dismiss' one and to appoint two "dock-
gatemen to fill vacancies. The committee had received
a letter from Captain Mends asking that accommo-
dation might be founa in, one, of the docks for H.M.S.
Hastings, as a' training ship for naval volunteers; and
inquiring what the Dock. BOar4 would charge
for the privilege. The committee reported • that
they had directed 'the harbour-master 'to
provide a berth for the. Hastings if possible
at Liverpool, until the Greg Float at BirTzenhead is
opened, and it had been agteed that rio charge should
be made to the Government for the accounnodation.

In consequencv of a letter recei-red'from Messrs. Wyberg
-7-7-
and Garnett, it had been ordered that the dock Otemen
should not call upon shipkeems to assist them in
working the dock gates at tide time..
Mr. LOCKETT moved the cOnfa-matiOn of the. pro-

feedings.
Mr. Evarrs thougent it undesiralile to bring a war
ship into any of the docks.
Mr. Smrtu thought it would havevbeen more regal*
if the letter of Captain Mends had been, in the first
instance, sent to the board.
The CHAIRMAN said that as the matr did not admit=
of delay. he had, himself, advised Captain Mends to.
send it to the Docks and'Quays Committee.
Mr. LAIRD said Captain Mends would find ,great,
inconvenience when he- hi-ought his ship into dock in
keeping-his men on board. The captam would he the
sufferer. (Laughter.)
The C-FrstiumAN stated' that the matter:; would ah;ain
come before the board, and; after a desultory discussion,
the proceedings were confirmed.

MASTER POETERSk COMMITTEE.

The proceedings of this committee were- confirmed
without comment, on themettion of Mr. Arnold, seconded
by 111 r. Seger. -

APPOINTMENT," MILMITTEE%

The CILVAMAN said the-next business- cms,the ap-
pointment of. committee& for the present yam;. and he
would call en: Mr. Brocklahank to nominatie -the• Com-
mittee of "Works. . , .

Mr. Swim:- said, befori• anything was finne iti the'
way of dealing with the committees individnelly, he
begged to propose the following resolution :—".That not
mere. than two =of the nominee Memberi be 'Allied on
any committee; and- that 011ie- of them at least be as mem-
bersof evory'somenittee." That time last year he raised
asobjection to three of the nominee members-being on
one committee;- while there were several committees=
which there was no nominee• member at all. lie-dealt
with the question on that occasion by moving that
one gentleman- be taken from' a certain committee
and placed upon another ; but- he was met with
the • statement: that he was-- personal and invidior.s.
Profiting .by the-hint he then get, he now begged to deal
with the question by a distinct motion, to which he
thought no gentleman could: take any exception. It
was said last year that when those nominee members
took their seas-at this Board they should all be on the
sainelnoting. He did not know, whether the nominee
members were-asked any questions by those who ap-
pointed them ;-..but if they were- never asked any
tions,-it did oppar- that the power of nominating.mem-
hers by a different body than the. ratepayers was -merely
a nominal affair.. If the suggestion he now proposed
wore adopted, he-would ask any gentleman of the Board.
to, show him what evil result could arise from it='-even
granting that they were all upon one and the same foot-
-itg. He maintained that good might come out of it;
harm there could' not be. But if those nominees• had
never up to this- moment been-asked a singlequestion
by.. those who sent them,. it wasquite possible-the time•
might come when enquiries would be made frem,them ;
and if so, it would be an advantage- to them to have one
nominee at least on every committee, who could give all
the information that might be sou ht by the-Govern-
ment.
Mr. Boulacseeonded the motion with great pleasure,
abeauso he thought it was an, exceedingly proper one.
He did not think that they should abandon the coned....
tuitional prinoiple which prevailed ,in all public-bodies,
that those who.had the money topay should chose•those
:who had the money to spend ; and be, therefore, did not
see the propriety of filling the Fisance Committee and
the Works. Committee, who' ad' the chief control of the
funds, with those who held no. rtsponsibility .whatever
towards the -ratepayers, who, found the money,- It was
objectionable that such a -practice should prevail at all;
and he had;. therefore, great, plewure in seconding Mr.
Smith's,motion.
Mr. Bt snsza. said he dicil not wish to introduce any-
thing that-was personal, but if he were inclined to ask
any personal question, he would ask Mr. Smith whether
he saw. anything in his (Mr.-Baslaell's) proceedings at this
board, or at any of the committees, which would indicate to
him, orthe board, or the public; whether he were a nominee
or an elected member. (Rear.) He couldeouacientiously
say—since Mr. Smith hcalinade an inquiry as to whether
the Government had communicated with its.nominees or
not—lie had said before,„ and he would repeat it again,
that neither before his appointment or sinee.had he had
any communication whatever with the Gevernment, or
any department of the. Government ; and if he were
dictated to by the Government as to the course he Should.
pursue, he should at once resign into their hands that
trust which he should no longer hava•the power con-
scientionsli to exercise. He warned the board against
introducing the principle now proposed; and though
Ur. Smith had said. there might not- be evil in it, he
(Mr.' Bushell) Save,great evil in it. It might give rise•
to a feeling of antagonism, and make an exception at.
this board whicladid not now exist. If such a distinction:
was made by Mia Smith between the members of the:
board, he wouleedo an evil, and Ile (Mr. Bushell) cane
ceived-it wouldbe a great evil.
Mr. LA rari,clld not think Ml...Sin-4h would accomplish
the object he alined-at.. He now said it was necessary to
have one nominee member on every committee, in. order
that he might be able tonnsvrer..questions; but a nomi-
nee membee.could not be on all the committees.. And
did Mr. Smith mean, that the. nominee mentbera.should
meet as a, committee among.themselves, to give each
other all the information they ,had got on the, various
committees ? On ,his . appointment to this Board as, a
nominee:member, he was never asked any, question
as to whit line Ile shoulcltake ; and he agreed with Mr.
Bushell thatif he had been asked to take any particular
line' he should haveeresigned his post. (Rear, hear.)
But he conceived lie. was perhaps even more indepen-
dent at the Board than those elected
.by the
ratepayers. He should, however, be sorry if a
difference was made between the-members.- The no-
minee members had endeavoured to work harmoniously
with the other members, and he hoped. that might long
continue. But once make a distinetion, and then the
nominee 'members would be difliarent body at the Board,
and they might have to take some steps meolf-defence.
Mr. Tow asked if -Mr. Smith really said he con,
sidered it desirable that- a nominee .membernhould be
on every committee, for the purpose-of- giving inforMae
Lion to the Government, and to act as a sort of spy. on
ergoll-00aormittee. If he were asked any questiona..,...the,
duty-of, the nominee member would oe to rater. the
Government to the resolutions of the committee,. arid he
was not called upon to give any information other than
through the resolutions of the committee itself. He
trusted the board would never sanction the principle
which Mr. Smith appeared wishful to lay down. He
thought it most undesirable to have such a distinction
between the nominee members and the elected members.
When they saw a dereliction of duty on the part of the
nominee members, then—and' then only—was the time
to take any such steps.
Mr, ARNOLD should object to drawing a line, by such
a resolution as was now proposed, between the two
e.lagses. Mr. Sofbuva plie members.,
d . He said the fact was, twenty-fear
members of the board were elected in one way; and four
in another: He had'-admitted- that theelection of. the
four might be nominal ; and he would say, he never saw
any action on the part of anomineamember that. could
mark hint as a distinct being from 'an eledted member.
They wererhowever, elected:in two distinct
had asked them to ; t out any ' harrathat 'could awe by
distribiting the la ..urs of those gentlemen so that one,
at least, should be on everytommittee. He avoulddefy
any gentlemen. to` point out what evil could arise. It
was Straightforwarcl and simple, and carried common
sense along with it.
The motion' was then -put, and lost by 20 to 3, the
minoritybeing—Mr. Boult, Mr. Mondel, and Mr. Smith.
Mr. haucr said it was only a year since they were
constituted a permanent board ; and, as the committees
worked well, he would 'suggest they be re-appointed as
before, Mr. Darbyshire taking the place of Mr. Maciver,
The CHAIRMAN said they had better proceed in ordo'-,
and first appoint the Works Committee.
Mr. BROCIELRHANK moved that the IMMO members be
re-appointed on the Works Qcgainittte :—Messrs,--Evansi

Ho_lm~eC, Snia,
Bold, and le4lnself.:_

. _
Mr. -Boum' moved that_ Mr. Laircl's_narae be trans_-_,
feria from, the Works Committee to the Pilotage Com-
mittee. (Rear, bear.) He proposed that Mr. Lockett's
tame. should be suhstituted for, that of Mr. Laird.
The amendment was not seconded; and •the com-
mittee was agreed to as proposed by'Mn Brocklebank.

Mr..HtiimAcx.prorsed the appointment of the Ware-
house Committee as. follows :—Messrs. Arnold, Broelcle-
bank,. Evan*. Littledale,' Segar, -Smith,- and himself.
Agreed •to; • , •

MoNDEt proposed:that the Marine Committee be
constituted as follows : Messrs. • Lockett, Inman,
Langton, Moss, Darbyshire, and himself. • •

. -
The CE0.r1iM.i...,0 intunated that he had received a com-
Mtinication from •Mr. Bold; expressing a wish to be
plmed on the Marlin 'Conimittei.
objectO to the course pursue 4 by the
'thaiiman in mentioning:the name. lie thought Mr.
Bold had better remain, on the same committees•he was
on formerly. ' _ _

The motion of Mr. btondel was agreed to, Mr. ?gondol
stating that he had lindcTtaken to consult
,with theother
members-as to whether W. Bold'e name shourd be
added.. _ _

Mr. Loomnrr moved the.re-appoiutment of the Docks-
.
and Quays Committee; Ny,th the eioeption of Mr. Mae--
IVer, whose place he prepoSed to fill up by naming-Mr.'
Bushell. (Rear, hear.) The' motion of Mr.' Bushell
had never been Vile into ; as-he would be an essen-
tial member itv carrying it into effect when the inquiry=
was commenced., he begged kart to propose Mr:Bushell*
name in the place of Mr.:Maclver. • .
Mr. Bust-En:m-1 beg.to mention that the committees:
Vara already appointed on give me as mach labour as I
could undertaker- It is impossible for' me to undertake
the additional amount of labour.
Mr. LOCKETT—I move Mr. Bilshell then. so that he
m•.!), bring forth all his powers and ability is order to
bring the working of the quays question to a 'proper
solution.

Att. BIISHELL—F tell the board-boforehand that I
cant attend. Last year offere+i my services to the
board to do certain work. That undertaking, if the
board; had accepted it, I would most, aheerfully have
This year I am not in the same position, and I
cannot t undertake that duty. The time is gone.
Mrl:TonwooD—Pdrhaps Mr. BuAell will still waive
the obiection. I ram that Mr...Darbyshire be elected
in the-glace of Mr. Maclver, and that Mr. Bushell be
also aided. .

Mr. livsuEnt—lt is no use mincing the matter. I
have a strong personal feeling about it. Every man
knows what is due to'himself, and I hope I am not
Jin imgpoperly proud man. , But I will not by brought
into that committee to- fulfil a duty by a side wind,
which I: was willing to undertake in a direct and proper
manlier. I will not attend the Docks and Quays Com-

mittee_
Mr. DAR,BYSTFRE said, if ho could be of service, on
the Decks and Quays- Committee, h - should be most

happy to serve.
Mr. LOCKETT.—T can: only say that I for one on that

cotumittee,will not go into that inquiry, under the
cumstanees. I only want the services:9f the gentleman
who proposed the enquiry. • ,
The CIsAIRMAN2—DO you persist in putting the name
of Mr. Bushell?
Mr. LaexErr—Yes.

Mr..Smrrn conceived it was of the utmost importance
that gentlemen should be put on those committees to
which, they were the best: adapted. He felt last year,
and he felt now, that the Docks and Quays Committee
was the committee upon which Mr. Bushell ought to be.
placed. And yet Mr. Bushell refused to• take any part
m cairyingout that which he felt was strongly for the
interest of the board. Why ? Because he thought
already he had too much labour, and that there was
something personal in the matter.
Mr. LAIRD thought-Mr: Smith was rather hard upon
Mr.
_Bushell. Mr. ;Bushell had stated; and the board
knew it, that last year he was willing. to. .undertake the
duty, but:-that now other occupations would prevent him.
Mr. Bushell had given very.good reasons for declining.
(Hear, hear.) •
The Cifain-Nual said the members-of the committee
would he Messrs. Lockett, Boult, Forwood, Graves,
Hutchison, • Langton, Derbyshire, Rounthwaite, and
Smith. • • •
Mr. LocniErr moved, and Mr..SI4LTU seconded, that
Mr. Bushell be added to the committee. '
Mr. ROT= asked if it: vas undexstood that individual
members could chose ou . what committees they would.-!
serve. If they admitted that, they would- come to a
pretty:pass. Certain committees-were more interesting,
attended with less drudgery, and gave more power,' and
they,were selected for -attain parties; and the heat and.
burden of the day was thrown upon others. He did not
think,that altogether .right.
The motion for the election of Mr. Bushell was put,
and. negatived by 18 to For the motion—Messy;
Boult, Forwood, Lockett, -Mendel, and Smith. Against •
it—Messrs. Arnold, Brocklebank, Bushell, Evans, Farn-
'worth,. Holm; Hubback, Inman, Laird, Langton,
Darbyshire; Moss, Rankin, Rounthwaite, &gar, Shand,
Tobin, and the Chairman.
AIiNOLD moved the • re-appointment,of the Bias
ter-Porters Committee •as -.Mews :—Messrs. Rounth-
waite, Forwood, Inman,, Hutchison, Seger, and himself.
--Agreed to.
Mr. RANKIN moved that the Finance Committee be
constituted as follows:—Messrs. Rankin, Andprson,
Bushell, Hubback,,Farnworth, and Littledale.—Agreed

Mr. Toms-moved there-appointment of the P.acli-
mentary Coniutittee as.follows BOld, Broekle--
bank, Graves, liolme, Rankin, Shand, and hithself.
Mr, RANKIN said the eireuniStaaces that inchreed
Laird to withdraw last year did not exist now, and he
should therefore proi3oSahis name be added. to,the--par-
liamentary committee.

Mr. SNiinf,oontendod that a standing parliamentary
committee was not necessary. The matters isight be
safely left in the hands of the Finance CoMmittee—a
committee that was an t overburdened with,work. When

there :was any. special parliamentary business, there
ought to bea special committee appointed for-the pur-
pose. Onegentleman, last year, had to withdraw from
that committee because he was opposed to the interests
of the Dock Board : the committee made the berth too
warm' for him, and they induced him ultimately to
resign. (Laughter.) He would =alio no motion ook
'the subject, beanie he knew what the result would be,
Mr. I>MAX seconded the nomination of Mr. Laird.
Mr. LAIRD begged to state that when he resigned list
year, he took a particular line in opposing this trust;
and, if he thought the trust was, going wrong again, he
should dO the same as he did before, and state openly
what his Opinion was. But inreaigrting from that com-
mittee, he felt. if he could assist the board in. other
matters it was his duty to d,o•so ; and he believed the
' Parliamentary Committee would say that he was• of
assistance to them in matters of considerable importance,
though he was not a member of the committee.
Mr. TOBIN was glad, Mr. Rankin had proposed Mr.
Laird's name. He could bear his testimony to the
efficient services rendered by Mr. Laird daring the last
session of Parliament—services which were rendered
cheerfully, arid which were most effective.
Mr. BOULT oblected to Mr. Laird's name on the com-
mittee ; and thought the board would act with inoon.
sistencY if they put it into Mr. Laird's power to serve
them aga.in as he did on a previous occasion.
Mr. SHAND said the bill they were now promoting
was one in the gnomes of which Mr. Laird-was. particu-
larly interested.
Mr. Br:811Eu said the only parliamentary business
which they now had was a bill,, in, which Mr.-Laird
could render the most efficient assistance. '
Mr. Laird's name was carried by a majority of 17 to
6, the gentlemen voting in the minority being-7 Messrs.
Evans, Boult, Forwood, Langton, Lockett, and Mondel.
Mr. Swam proposed the following members of the
board on the Pilotage Committee--Messrs. Anderson,
Boult, Farnworth, Inman, Monde', Moss,
and himself; and that the following gentlemen, not
members of the -board, be added to it—Messrs. Boyd,
Blythe, Jacob, and Kendall.
Mr. Bouvr proposed Mr. Laird's name in lieu of his
own; but the proposition was negatived, and the
original motion agreed to.
TAB DriCK BOARD IN PARLIAIIRNT.

Mr. Boum :coved that the discussion on the. bill pro-
posed for th% next session of. Parliament be taken in
public. IL) admitted it would be unwise to pursue this
course in reference to every bill, but he thought the
present tase was an exception. The bill was intended
to belY.afit the inhabitants of both sides of the river much
more than the Dock Board, and all the information
Passible should be afforded to the public.
Mr. ARNOLD seconded the. proposition ; but on being
put to the vote, it
,was lost by 14 to 9. For the
motion—Messrs. Arnold, Boult, Evans, Farnwortit,
Forwood, Inman, Laird,. Mondel, anl Moss. , Against
it—Messrs. .Brocklebauk, • 'Bushell, Darbyshire,. Holme,

Friday, Jarmry 6, 1860.

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flabback, Langton, Lockett, Rankin, RounthvtaitOr
, Segar, Shantli mite, Tobin, and the Chairmin.,

REVISION OF THE TOW N Mn.

gr. LAIRD wished to ask i-ciiiestiOn as to the revision
of. the town; dues;,,. It would.. be in their recollection;
that-an arrangement- was made to withdraw opposition,.
on consideration of certain thin,gs being done by On
Dock Bbard. He 110 been asked repeatedly out o%
doors as to when the• revision of the town dues wash
likely to be completed, and'perhaps the ghtrirman would
let him knew. _ -

The CHAIRMAN said t i ..rerisOn itself was•completed
as far as the Finance C 0.,. aittee were:concerned. The
revised list had been pent-up to the Board. of Trade ;
bat sevat.'Meniorials gone in •to `the; Board of
Trade, and the Board of Trath•hadsent,these-meMorials
n.
'dowto tba Finance. Commie for their opinion upon
them. •

Mr. LAIRD—Then shall wt have all- these before
the board before- any- action is taken ?'
The Ca4rrorAzi;—lf anc alterations areagreed,u•pon,
of course they will come before the board:
Mr. La.raio—r think; in a matter of this importance,
every member of this board should see the correspon-
dence and- the ansirer-of the Finance COmmitt.ee. If
the answers should he sent without this-the hoard, might
not haVe another opportunity to. express au opinion.:
• The CHAIRMA'N—There is a good deal to be said
pro and con. But this is a parliamentary proceeding,
which should not come on before the-public.
Mi. Likiitio-:—Do I understand that the letters will be
brought before this board ?
The CkAIRMAN—That I cannot say: The diseussiaw
on this shbuld be raisedin the finance proceedings.
Mr. LAlnn—Then I- object to any answers being seat;
.by the Finance Committee without the board having.
'the power of expressingron opinion upon it. ' And if it-
is •done„ I shall take an opportunity- of 'bringing the
matter before the public; in a special. notice.
, This concluded the, public proceedings, and the.
=porters withdrew.