The Northern Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-01-08 00:00:00

CIIURCII EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE,

The proceedings of 'this committee Were read. They com-
prised a recommendation t, fix the. salary of the organist of
St. George's church at £4O per annum, and that the-choir of
this church be reduced, and the sum of .t 10,0 only be allowed
for the same; and a recommendation to fix, the salary of the
organist of St. Luke's church at £3O per annum. They also
recommended that a person of the name Qf Badily he appointed
assistant sexton of St. Michael's church, at a salary of 21 6d per,
week.

Mr. Banner, before moving the confirmation of the proceed-
ings, suggested that a letter from the Rev. Mr. Carpenter,
incumbent of St. Michael's church, in reference to the appoint_
want of the assistant sexton should not be read, as Mr. John
• LaWrence, who was churchwarden of the church, and deeply
interested in the matter,Was detained from the council through
the serious illness of his wife. He urged that that would be
the'most advisable-course to pursue, pat ocularly as it was 'his.
intention to refer back the matter to which the letter alluded:
Mier. some discussion, it was resolved, on. a poll, that the
letter should be read before being referred to the committee.
Tho letter was then read. It,was a yen lengthy document.
In it the Bev. Mr. Carpenter protested against the appointment
of Badily as uncalled for and illegal, and qnoted the act of par-
liament to show that in the minister of St Michael's church
lay the sole power of apßointhltt the sextou of the.cliurch.
Thd whole matter was then referred. back to the committee.
-
Mr. Banner then moved' the confirmation of the other pro-
ceedings. In regard to St.. George's church, he observed that
while the late Mr. Holden had been the organist of ,it he
received a salary or £lOO a year. The committee, however,
thought this a proper time to reduce the expenses ot the church,
and with that view submitted the above recommendation. He
should state that the Payment of. these expenses were not 0b1i...
gatory on the cOrporation, hut from the peculiar circumstances
of St. George's church, he thought it well that the council,
'should defray'them. It Was the church which the mayor,,
with the regalia attended, and it was there, also, that the judges
of assize heard divine. service, and were there provided with
accomModatien Suitable to their rank. The strangers. visiting.
the town also went there, an 1 it was'therefore proper that the
corporation should keep the church in as efficient a state as
possible.' There was a great numberof free sittings, the gallery
being altogether &voted to that purpose, and if the corporation •
did'not keep the church in a proper state, the pew renters would
require a proportionate' reduction in their rents. On these
groundi he begged to move the confirmation of the recom•
mendations.

. .
, Mr. Stitt objected in .foto to the recommendations, -and
moved as an amendment that they be not confirmed.. He.
thought it most disgraceful that they should be called upon to
defray the expenses or those ehirrehes, and particularly so that
portion of them which, was not obligatory on the corp Oration:
It
.was disgraceful that a church like St. George's, whose
congregation was composed of the elite of, the town, should, in
placevf paying its own expenses, a'tempt to place. them on the
ratepayers of • L'verpool. The same system' prevailed in the
other corporation churches of the town. For years they had
been paying to these churches sums which were not obligatory'
on them—to St. George's Church, 1200; St. Luke's, £160;
St. Martin's, £65 12s, and St. Thomas'; £.53 ; and
surely if music had such power over the heartr of men' as was
claimed for it by some, ono won d suppose that these churches
would, of all others, be crosvded-beeanse of the sums expended.
on their choirs. But what. was the fact? why the average
attendance at them was only 2,650, while they Atiforded
room for 6,855 persons. Their gross rental was £1,564 6s,
while the amount received: from: them last year was only the
paltry sum of £4946s Bd., He believed that the Established
Church did not know the resources for good which' it.' had
within its own bosom, and that it was the persistence in such a
practice as this which militated against its usefulness.
Mr. A. C. Stewart seconded the amendment. He hail
before brought this subject before the council, hut was in a
minority on the occasion. He could state, however, that these
recommendations were not unanimously passed in committee,
and that there were many of them who believed that there
should bo a retrenchment in every department of expenditure
connected with these churches. They were able to pay their
now expenses if they were willing, and what claim had they

that they should he exempted from that duty by the corpora.
tion? What missionary enterpiie did they engage. in ?
What public charity did they support ? They did nothing, but
they Wanted the council to do every thing for them. (Hear,
hear, and laughter.)
_ _

Mr. John Aikinlelieved that the church would not become
acquainted with its real power for good until it learned to rely
mote upoa those who revered' and had au interest in it, and
for that reason ho would, support the amendment of Mr.
Stitt. Re felt that it was his duty to do so, and that the
discharge of that duty would not be injurious to the body
to which he belonged.

.Mr. Kitchen said. that he had supported the motion in
regard to St. George's. Church, because he was informed that
if the church were not kept in an, efficient state, the pew
renters would leave. .The same' argument did tot apply to
the other recommendation, and, he- should therefoa, objees
to it.

Mr. Picton observed that last year the pew rents of all did
churches brou;ht in £493 6a. 3d.
_During that time they
expended, in addition •to the ministers' stipend, whicls
!vas obligatory, about f7OO, out of which £540 was not
obligatory ; SG that, in point of fact, if they gave up the whole
pew yents,. and refused to pay the expenses which wore) not
obligatory, they would. be gainers to the extent of £5O per
annum. It would he an act of grace on the part of the corpe•
ration to make the churches entirely free, and do away with the
expenses not obligatory upon them. He had no wish to pull
down the Established ChUrch, but until they made the church
feel its own strength, it would pot occupy it. Una-position.
Let them look, at the churches -raised- by voluntary efforts ; let
Them look at St. Paul's in the Park,. St. Jude's, and:others,
They did not come to the ceur.cil asking to have their singer,
paid ; and they net only paid their own expenses, .but thef
engaged in works of charity, missionary exertion, and eyed
thing by which the welfare of the church and the extent of its
usefulness were promoted. - .
Mr Alderman S. Holme wed that it would be impolitic
and shabby to withdraw the grant, and contended that the
Church of England did more in the way of voluntaryism than
all the dissenting bodies put together.
Mr. Sheil and Mr. J. R. Jeffery supported the amentL,"n4
whirl, on being put to the vote, was lost by II to 39. -
The voting was as fellows :
For the amendment—,Councillors J. J. Stitt, A. 6
Stewart, R. Sheil, J. Woodruff, J. Steains, J. A. Picton, .T.,
Jeffery, T.-L. Hodson, R. M. Beckwith, J. Aikin, and F.
A. CUL-

Againit it—Councillors D. Crosthwaite, T. D. Anderson, R.
Havdock, W. Nicholson, J. Tyro, C. Turner, J. G. Livingston,
H Baum., J. C. Fernihongh, J. Holme, W. Mann, W. Po
Jiff eye, T. Wagstaff, A. Shand, J. B. Branckcr, J. A. Tobin,
W. Earle, J. Johnson, J. Kitchen, J. Mellor, J. Furnwortb,
J. Robertson, B. Hall, H. lialhead, and W. H. Anthony;
Messrs. Aldermen T. Chilton, W. Bennett, T. Bold, G. II;
Horsfall, J. Parker, T. Robinson, J. Cooper, J. H. Turner,
R. C. Gardner, J. Bramley-Moore, M.P., R. W. Houghton,
T. Tualatin, Sr.Holme, and the Mayor.
. The council then Adjourned to eleven o'clock on Monday,
leaving the following business to be then disposel of:—
The Proceedings, Roselutions, and Reports of the Observa'
tory Conitnittee.

•
The Proceedings, Resolutions, .and Reports of the Water
Committee.
The Proceedings, Resolutions, Reports of the Libra,'
and Musettin _Committee, curapri4ng recommendation to
levla Library and Museum rate of one penuriu the pound•
under the provisions of tho Library and Mnsoum Act, 1855•
The Proceedings, Resolutions, and R-ports of the Hackne/
. Carriag,, and Licensing Committee.
The Proceedings, Resolutions, and Reports of the Bathe
Committee. •
The Prexelinl.s, Rlsolutions, and Reports of the Committee
on the supply of Gas.
The Proceedings, Resolutions, and Reports of the Birkenhead
Dock• Cointnittcc.
TiieeProceedings-,2 Resolutions, and Reports of the Special
Committee on the approaches• to the -Lmuling Stage.
Further consideration of Bye-law to prohibit the mooring of
. any vessel in that part of the Riier Meilky defined on the
plan, with the object of. keeping a free course •for Perri
Steamers between the Landing, Stage and the Cheshire
'Shore.

The Coroner's-Aecount, amounting to £6O Its 6d.
The-Mayor's communications, comprising--1, Memorial from
-tlio Loca-Board of Health for the District of WallaseY,
suggesting an extension of the;proxised line of Prohibition
against anchoring of Vessels in the River Mersey.

" DOING THE ,111ICk."

BREACH OF PROMISE OF MARRIAGE,
At the'Manchester Court of Record, on Tnesdall
before B • Armstrong, Esq., QC , recorder, the
cause of Hall v. WoAsam.e on for hearing. It seto
a cause in, which the plaintiff, Louisa, Hall, who WO
a servant in the- Llangttilen Cos. le pablic-bouse,
Deansga-e,. claimed of he defendant, John Wood,
who . keeps an eating house, also in Deansgatet
damages for a breach of promise of marriag a. Mr'
Fernley appeared rot the plaintiff;. and the defendato
in his own behalf. Mr. "Ferniey briefly stated the
Ma' a' ure of the premise, and the defendant's breach o
-it by marrying another worn-in: He called the
following evidence :—JOhn Wail sworn -rkpow the
plaintiff and defendant.
,Miss Hall has for sore°
yeais acted as servant for Mr. Cronshaw, at the
Llangollen Castle The defendant keeps an eating
house within a short distance. I have been once of
twice present when the defendant has called at MP
Cronshaw's The defendant Lai said to me that be
was going to marry Louisa Hall as soon as the ask'
ings were out. The askings had been then given it;
:arid were to be pi-oelaimed for the first time on lb°,
Sunday following He asked me and my wife to bo
present at the wedding breakfast at the Llangollen
Hotel. That was to be the Monday alerthe askineo
were 'out. JaMes Cronshaw, sworn : I keep 00
Llangollen Castle, in Deansgate. The plaintiff P°
been-my servant eight months • and in my father?
service five years. I know Mr Wood' the defendain'
He has been-in the habit of coming to my house, t°
see Miss Hall. He appeared to be on friendly terto°'
and of late they were courting He engaged a room
from • me- for the wedding breakfast Whoa .0
engaged the moth, he said he waned it for Ik0
e
wedding day. Ile got married to his present Nvi
three or f. inr days before the breakfast was to con'',
off By the Recorder : I was out cf town at tt:
time of the " askingS "' I knew, however, he vvai
going to nytrry Miss Hall Mr Fernley :He it
not been courting her more than. a mon•li or sir°
weeks. Mr. Williams sworn : lam foreman
Messrs Higgins'and son, machine makers Salford'
Some time m August lastl called at Mr; Cronshaw 0
house on business. I saw MisS -11,11 there at teat
While there, Wood- came in. He laid bold °
Louisa's cup.of tea.and drank, Saying. " Louisa, 01
darling, I have done the trick," He then went an
put his bat ,k to the fire, and took a piece of paPe'
from his pocket; and - gave it to Louisa, saying;
" Read !bat ; it will do ye! 'more good than yo",
I said lie;:should be flux- for taking Louisa ,
tea; 'but he sit4d he 'itrould ratht'r be.fined a shillitTh,
for -" doing the trick." 'I said I would put a shilli°%
to it, which was done, and we had pun,:h. He then
left the room, and Louisa followed. I went of
them and asked why he had left the room ? and be
called to Louisa to show me the piece of paper. i
then saw it was a certificate of the banns havil
been put in I had no idea of anything of the
b fore This was the plaintiff's case The defenda4
expressed surprise and disappointment at the plaintlP
not bring called; hut it; having been explained that
according to the acto in
f parliament' she could Ile i.
C tiled, he wished Mr. Cronshaw to be re-called. V"'
was done, but all he had to say to him was that he
had beet acquainted with the plaintiff not more tbe°
sixteen days.' The defendant-then called Mrs Job°
Wail, who was sworn : I know the plaintiff. I renael
d.
't
ber going to ask her if she had bad a child. She seta
she had. , I then asked her if she had ever told "',
defendant, and sheisaid she hadmot. By Mr. Fern'
ley : I do not know hots, long it is since she had tbl
child. It was after the defendant's marriage that
went to inquire. The defendant'had.nciether %vitt:4'sl
and he commenced to aadressl'the jury. way
about /o enter into a detail of-all the circumstance
connected %sith the case, when Mr. Fernley objecte
That Was'-giting evidenee without him having the
opportunt'y of cross examining —The recot der ins°,
"tamed the objec'ion, 'and at his suggestion t 0
be
defend -ant. g "t. confined himself ,to simply saying that
intende,d marrying the plaintiff. and was only pie.‘,.
vented by 1 arning that she bad. had a child. 1"
,Fernley briefly replied. The jury, *al er a fe,,,
'
Mir/Cites' consultation, returned a verdict for the
plaintiff, 10 damages.
cot 4, _

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tt
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Picton, J. R.
Likin, and F.

Anderson, B.
3. Livingston,
Mann, W. P.
J. A. Tobin,
Farnwortb.
Q. Anthony;;_
Bold, G. II;
r. H. Turners
V. Houghton,

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