Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-08-06 00:00:00

to say that he had not, to the utmost of his power, upon
every occaficn, sustained the rights and privileges of the
public of Liverpool. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alden:23a PARKER vehemently opposed the adjourn-
ment.

Mr. Hominy regretted that the discussion which had taken
place was not one calculated to promote the interests of the
Council. It was very true that at the commencement of the
proceedings of the day he had said, it would be desirable
that the Cotincl should not proceed to the re-election
of the members of the Dock Committee that day. lie
did so, for the very same reason Mr. Turner himself had
given, fearing that a discussion might take place, which
would be very injurious to their interests. But after what
had taken place, he thought they would best promote the
important interests which were committeed to their care,
by at once, without further delay, re-electing the four
gentlemen. (" No, no," and hear, hear.) He was quite
sure that every gentleman who, at the opening of the pro-
ceedings, was of opinion that an early adjournment was
desirable, entertained that opinion without having the
slightest personal hostility to any one of the four gentle-
men. (Hear, hear.) On the contrary, he believed
that they were all very excellent members, and that
they could not appoint four gentlemen who would better
represent the interests of the Council in the Dock Com-
mittee. (Hear, hear.) He therefore strongly recommended
Mr. Picton, and the gentlemen who were anxious for an
adjournment, that after the discussion which had taken
place they should withdraw the amendment. (No, no.)
At all events, if the present amendment should be pressed,
let them proceed at once to a vote without any further dis-
cussion, or remarks from gentlemen, of which they did not
know what the consequence or the result might be. (Hear,
hear.) Let them at once have the sense of the Council
taken upon the adjournment, and then, if the amendment
were lost, proceed at once with the election. (Hear,
hear, and "no, no.")
Mr. Alderman BENNETT disclaimed all personal motive
in the matter, and urged that in prudence they were bound
to fol ow the adv:c3 of the telegraphic messege.

Mr. HODSON called attention to the fact that the motion
for adjournment would have been carried had not the four
gentlemen personally interested voted. (Laughter.) It
was well known, he said, that the matter in London would
have been settled long ago if it was not for the Dock
Committee.

Mr. C. TURNER, : That is not the fact.
Mr. HonsON : It is the fact.
Mr. C. TURNER : It is not the fact.

Mr. HonsoN: I was there myself. You know as well
al Ido that until a responsibility as sought to be put
upon the new trust, the Do k Committee did not interfere
in the contest. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. KITCHEN urged the Council to follow the advice of
the deputation.
Mr. HALL recommended them to choose the lesser evil
and to proceed with the election,
Mr. GRAVES said that he saw six of the members of the
deputation in I ondon on Tue?day night, and that from his
conversation with them they seemed to consider that the
election cf the mcmbera on the Dock Committee that day
wAild be a matter of course. He deprecated any distinc-
tion being drawn between the merchants and tradesmen of
the town in this matter, and urged that it was by the
union of both that Liverpool was proTparous. He believed
there was no ditferonce as to money between the Council
deputation and the Dock Committee, but one as to

Mr. C. TURNER: Yes, it is not a quistion of money
at all.
Mr Sum : Has there not been considerable difference
of opinion between the deputations in London?
Mr. TOBIN : No, the course of both bodies has been in
harmony ; and to show that there has been no d;fference
as to money, I will road the egreement that was drawn up.
It is as follows : —" The Corporation to be paid by the dock
trust the sum of £1 500,000, The Corporation to complete,
at their own cost, the landing-stage now in curse of con-
struction in front of the Prince's-pier. The landing-stage,
when completed, and the observatory to be transferred to
the dock trust, who are to maintain the same at their own
cost and cheer, and to pay all coats and charges incident
to the conservancy of the Mersey and Wallasey and Lea-
Bowe embankment, and to exercise and fulfil all the powers
and duties, and obligations of the Corporation. The
undertaking of the Birkenhead docks, as vested' iiz
the Corporation under the act of 1855, and the
North Reserve to be transferred to the Dock
trust, who shall pay or adequately secure to the Corporation
the repayment of all sums expended by them in the
purchaie of the said undertaking, and of the Nor!le.
Reserve, or towards the completion of the works, or in
relation thereto, or for the payment of which the Corpora-
tion have become liable ; and shall also
pay to, or relieve
the Corporation from all liability, or expense, or loss
incurred, or to be incurred, by the Corporation for the
purpose of the said undertaking, and the North Reserve,
or incident, or in relation thereto, or consequent on the
purchase, or possession thereof, by the Corporation, with
interest thereon. Tne Corporation to construct works,
under existing contracts, as to works, at Bir-
kenhead, until the election of the new trust, and
such trust then to assume such contracts, and to
recoup the Corporation all that was paid on account
thereof, with the interest." There was not the slightest
difference between the Corporation and the Dock Com-
mittee on those points, an 3 the only difference which
wose bad reference to a minor point—to certain restric-
tions attempted to be imposed on the to be-constituted
trust, which it was thought would be exceedingly
injurious. Yesterday, the matter took another phase, and
the gentlemen in London thou ,ht the difference could be
adjusted Trey sent a mescege doe, but the Dock
Committee telegraphed back, stating that they saw no
reason to alter the opinion they had previously expressed.
The Town Clerk asked mo to come down and explain the
point I clime down, and we were to have met to day at
one o'clock to d'scuss it. That was the only difference
between them.

Mr Srn'v expressed his gratification that the mists and
darkness which hung over that great question wore begin-
log to be dispeVe !, and that the public would have no
longer to depend upon newspaper reports which were
bei,g forwarded one day and contradicted the next.
(Hear, hear) They had now a different statement put
forward by Mr. Tobin. Mr. Tobin based his opinion, that
the amendment ought to be withdrawn, upon the ground
that the matter had at length arrived at a certain definite
point, nac,ely, that the Corporation and the Dock Com-
mittee were agreed upon the sum of £1,500,000, and the
transfer of the Birkenhead estate, and also partially
agreed upon the question of the Great Western piece of
land. HA was very happy to hear that they had agreed,
but Mr. Tobin had not told them through how much
opposition, upon the part of the Dock Committee, that
de-irabie result had been arrived at.

Mr. TOBIN : I do not wish you to go away with a
wrong impression. I can assure you, there has been no
opposition whatever. There has not b3en am speaking
of the proceedings in London—any opposition or difficulty
on the part of the Thek Committee, with reference to
those i oints, 'whatever. (Hear, hear.)

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as much importance to the fact that, an agreement had
a very different version. Therefore, he could not attach
now at length been, arrived at, as Mr. Tobin did. It had
been said that the interests of the community would be
greatly prejudiced by the discussion which had taken place
that day. Very possibly, and gentlemen who made the
remark ought to remember, and he hoped the town would
have it very clearly made known, that the discussion had
not arisen out of any intention upon the part of those who
desired the adjournment, but had arisen from the deter-
mination put forth and persisted in to force the Council
into the re election. (Hear, hear.)
The motion for adjournment was then put, and lost by
17 to 20.

The voting was as follows :
For the motion : Aldermen Bennett, Preston, Dover,
and Gardner ; Councillors Stitt, Stewart, Sheil, Haydeck,
Sreains, 133nner, Fernihough, Johnson, Piston, Kitchen,
Hodson, Mellor, and Beckwith-11.

Against : The Mayor ; Aldermen Chilton, Parker,
Robinson, and Houghton ; Councillors Anderson, Holden,
Turner, Livingston, Graves, Wagstaff', Lawrence, Shand,
Brancker, Tobin, Farnworth, Robertson, Hall, Haihead,
and Anthony--20.

The gentlemen in favour of adjournment expresed their
determination to remain until midnight sooner than give
way. They moved another adjournment.
Mr. ToBIN said he had telegraphed to the Town-clerk to
know the precise meaning of his message, and beag-d of
the Council to adjourn for an hour, by which time he
expected the answer would arrive.
The opposition declined, and pzristed in the motion of
adjournment, which was lost by 18 to 19.
Another motion for adjournment sine die was lost by
the same numbers. The voting was the same in both
cases.

At length, both parties wearied out, (the debate, if it
can be so called, havinT lasted to near a quarter to five
o'clock,) agreed to an adjournment to this day (Thursday),
when they will re-assemble in the same plate, at eleven
o'clock, a.m.