Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-01-13 00:00:00

that particular question: r-nnderstood that gentleman
attentlA-there for the purpose of conducting the business,
and ask the question, suppose Mr.. Rae was
not there at allovould it not have been competent for me
to 'make the motion ? then it would have been carried.
When the chairman was about to proceed with the gene-
ral business of the _committee, I asked him if I was not

entitled to put mi original motion, and sI think I am
right in saying that the Town Clerk said it was incom-
petent for me to do so. Mr. Ityley then said he
would move an amendment. ; Mr. Stitt seconded
the amendment . an& it was not until the amend-
ment was •withdralin that I moved my
amend-
ment. t submit then, sir, that I was perfectly in order
in doing. what I did,: and did nothing to call forth the
remarks applied to me by Mr. Earle. I would :etpect,
from a gentleman of Mr. Earle's education, mid' his
gentlemanly feeling, notwithstanding his eccentricities at

t"his ‘Council sometimes, that-he is prepared to withdraw
these words, 'for certainly; upon his own shoviins, they
do not apply tunle. And Ido hope the Council will
.. •

not resciiid, the: iziotiot

Mr. Bennett trusted, before the COuncil went to a vote
upon this very, important subject 'of the, amendment
proposed by Mr. Earlq that 'every member' of "the
Council would'lbe put in full possession 'of" 'the facts
of the subject upon which he was about to
vote. 2 The committee had been most 'anxious,
for a considerable length 'of time, that their machinery
and punipini, engines, several of which were out of re-
pair, should 'have a. time .of rest,
,given them which the
engineer himself desired, and requires that they might be
put into fair working order. They, he alluded. to Mr.
Jeffery, himself, and other members of the committee who
tOOkAlaeir views, backedup'hy.the engineer himself, con-
sidering
,that ,the quality of the Rivington Water could
never :be better than it
.now was, and in the :opinion
they were 'certainly strongly supported by the Rivingion
Pikeists themselyes; for "the time had long gene by.fhat
they begged of at the hands of this COuncil; to enable
theni to prove to the town the splendid quality of the-
Riviugton water. The time- had lonc,;gone by -when the
most -strenous adfocate of 'the Raington pike water
asked to be granted to give this water a fair
trial. The
the
now have been filled for years ;
they had the whole amount from the old district that they
had any. 'right to obtain. As reganied quantity, they
would never have more ; and as regarded quality, they
would never have better. This was just the nick of time
for this reasonable metion, which
,they hid on' their
books,. to be carried,. and to have the town supplied
by the Rivington' water fOr one month. He
would confine himself to
.the subject of the amendment,
and he would draw attention to 'the names of the gentle-
men whp vo,ted on., this question at the committee. He
would read- their names • •

The Miyor You have no right to give
,the4fames:of
parties.voting at a committee.
Mr.- Hodson : These names are in the public papers.
What is the use of Mr. "Bouriett going on with this
trash.

Mr. Bennett.,: It is usual for doctors to talk about
stuff, but I call upon Mr. Hodson to retract these re-
marks. (Laughter.) •
Mr. Hodson: I did not allude to the remarks of Mr.
Bennett. •

Mr. Bennett: Well, if Mr. Hodson did not allude to
my remarks, the allusion must have been,to Mr. Earle's.
Mr. Earle : Never mind.
Mr. Bennett : I suppose you don't care what he says.
Mr. Earle: No, nor you either,,, (Laughter.)
Mr. Bennett then went on't(isay, that the names of the
gentlemen were those. 'from whom they had a right to
expect support. They were those gentlemen, ;so far as
they remained on the committee, who had originated the
scheme. .They were thOse gentlemen whom the town
had a right to expect consistency from, and it was owing
to their votes that the motion was not carried tin animously
with the exception of thoSe Members who had been newly
appointed on the committee. He trusted that at this time
of the year, when their rainfall was heaviest, and that as
their reservoirs had been fuller than they had been for
considerable time, and that their engines require cessation,
for repairs, that the Council would allow this resolution to
pass the way it was on the books.
Mr. Farnworth said, he very rarely rose to address the
Council on this subject, but, in consequence .of a remark
that had been made by Mr. Bennett, lie would say a few
words. Mr. Bennett had alluded to the new memberS of
the water committee, including, as he supposed, himself ;
but he could say that he had not taken, before he came
into the Council, any active part either on one side or
the other with reference, to the Rivington water. When
he was appointed on the committee he found the Riving-
ton works nearly pompleted—. they were then told that
they were fully completed,—and when in that committee

,
he felt it his duty to act in the same way with the public
property as he should do if the property was his own.
(Hear, hear.) It had been his desire to see that the
water supplied to the public should be as good as it pos-
sibly could. The Rivington scheme had been completed
by 'Act of Parliament. There was a good supply, and
the water had been pronounced good. lie stated that—
not from his own opinion, for although a practical and
experienced man in some things, he could not pronounce
an opinion on such a subject; and had, therefore, taken
it from the opinion of the most eminent chemical men
of the day, who had said the water was pure and whole-
some. That it was not so bright as the old well-water,
ho.would admit ; and, in order that it should be so, he
thought it should go through some process of filteration,
by which it might be made as bright ; ,and to accomplish
that object, the service of Mr. Spencer had been retained,
and he had said it could be made as bright as the other.
Till that was done, as the committee had resolved,. lie
did not see why there should be the slightest complaint.'
Mr. Joffery. had stated that he looked upon the subject
as a financial matter. If the amendment was adopted it
would cause a saving of £6,000 per annum ; but all ho
would ask, was this the proper time to bring the pure
Riyington water into the town.

Mr. Jeffery: The resolution was proposed two months
_

Farniiorth: For his part he had no feeling in the
matter ; if the Council were of opiniOn that such was the
case, then he would bow to that deciiion; but he really

-J
did think that the subject was one of to; much impor-
tance to be dealt with by the committee, and hence, he
hoped the Council would decide.
Mr. Bennett wished to make one observation in
explanation. When he said new members, he alluded to
those who were not members of the Council when the
scheme was first agitated.

Mr. Crellin : It had been said that now was the proper
time for the experiment, to be tried, because all the
enoines wanted repairing.

Mr. Bennett said he had not stated so

Mr. Crellin : It had been stated. ,The Green-lane
engine was in good order; so was the Water-street, and
the one in Windsor ; therefore, the only ones that were
out of repair were those in Soho-street, Hotham-street,
and Bevington Rush, the wells of which gave very bad
water at all times. Therefore, as far as the repairing the
engines went, there was not the slightest necessity for the
turning of the Rivington water into the town for a
month.

Mr. Hodson rose to speak—
Mr. Parker : You can't reply yet. (Cries of " Yote,
vote," in the course of which Mr.. Hodson endeavoured
to address the council, but was informed that if he did
so, it would be taken as his reply, and that he could not
address_the council.) •

Mr Stitt stated the reason why he had supported the
amendment of Mr. Jeffery's in the committee, and con-
sidered the severe remarks made by Mr. Earle quite
uncalled for, and perfectly out of order. lie said he was
in nearly the same position as Mr. Farnworth, as he had
not taken any part in the Pike agitation; he found the
water there, and the only way that could be done was to
make the best of it. They had been told by the com-
mittee that the water was daily getting better and better,.
and more pure ; but, upon inquiry of the Water Engineer;
and from his own experience, he had not been able to see
that such was the fact.

Mr. Ryley said there was. no doubt but that the water
was very mach discoloured,. and he had,, in committee,
asked the engineer whether he was not of opinion that,
in tho course of time, the water would become a better
colour, and his answer was simply " No." There was
no circumlocution about the answer; so that, let them
go about it as they might, they would have it the
same. Ile hoped the Council would pass the amend-
ment, and in doin,„(r so he believed that they would ho
.. actin as the best friends of those who were the favourites
of the Pike scheme.

Mr: Robertson Gladstone hoped that the present state
of feeling would not long be continued, for the
angry feeling that had been evinced was neither
creditable to one side or the other. Ho quite agreed
with Mr. Jeffery, as to the view he had taken of the
question, the same as he had made on a former occasion.
But they had been told that Rivington was to yield fifteen or
sixteen millions of gallons per, and now they were told
that they could only have teWnillion gallons. If they
could not supply the necessary quantity from Rivington,
why, in the name of common sense, lot them mix it. He
did not see, now that they had got the water,
and that they must have it, that it was any use
their quarrelling amongst themselves. lire
oannot improve it by quarrelling here, and why
should we do it, while, on the other hand, we have a
supply in the immediate neighbourhood, which, mixed
with the other water, makes it an article of average qua-
lity. I shall propose, if it can be done, another amend-
ment, to this effect—" That the subjoot be referred back to
the water committee, for the purpose of limiting the
water supply from Rivington to such a period ni may be
required fqr ppairiug:, thq pumping inae,*eYy At the

red sandstone pumping statiQns." That of course will
depend upon the correctness of the statement that the
machinery does reciiiire repairing ; if it does not, this
motion will fall to the. ground.. (Hear, her and cries of
"It do"- It."‘

At does no. )
Mr. ,C. Turner said Mr. Gladstone's amendment could
not be proposed at present.
Mr. James Holme If a man has been deceive* it is
his honest duty at'once to avow it—(hear, hear) ;---tend I
candidly confesi that' I am deceived both as to the cost
of these Works and the quality of the water. (Hear,.
hear.) But I ask, whether the agitation attempted to be

° is th-
e
'mot up twain in this town; by Fuming. 'the discoloured
water into' it, • proper course ?or this Council to
pursue.
,(No, no.) I will willingly vote for the amendment
' that has bebn brought forivard,.but I will likewise take the
JibertY, of making one or two remarks. Much has been
said as to the necessity of repairing'the pumping engines.
Now,. I should like' te Icildw in what position the town
would have been 'placed, if it had ',not been: for the
supply from Rivington, and if there is actuallythis necessity
to repair the 'engines at this -Moment. Why the town
would have been literally without water if this great
necessity fur repairing the pumping engines really. exists.
But I feeV convinced that it is not the pumping
engines, nor pumping. the supply of water that is • the
cause of the speeches we have heard, but it is an endea-
vour to get up an _agitation—(hear, hear)—ta put the
, town to an unnecessary -expense in pulling up _the streets
and putting down a second line of pipes.- •(llear,' hear.)
It is qiiite right' to provide the' water, and at:the proper
time I should be willing o.do what is proposed if it is
really necessary. But what is the' proper time at which
te'do it? " rthink the best time would be about October,.
when yon have a chance of the winter rain before, you,,
but do not take •up • the streets and engage in this' work.
When you.may-have two or:three mouths of dry weather,
which N not unlikely in the spring time of • the- year.
Theiras:reg.ards this revenue, which is again beihg:made
a: bugbear in the • town, what is it ? Take then. dock
estate and look at the state of the north. dock.'
at ;his 'moment. They are not paying:' the
interest expected at the present moment, neither can any-
large works be- expected to do so at once; and in this
respect, we certainly ought to view the subject we are
discussing, 'bearing in mind that yen have extended your-
pipes to all parts of the town. Then, don't raise a bug—
bear about revenue, but look at the matter reasonably.
It is the same' with this as' with every other great under-
taking; and, when you have provided a good supply
of water for a large town like Liverpool, and when you
only. just have done' that,- you have no right to be
raising a cry that our revenue is short. (Hear, hear.)
I don't agree with what,Mr. Jeffery is constantly• bring-
ing' before 'us, because the complaints are neither-.well
founded nor reasonable. I would say now, •go on for a
time, and if you must do something, do.it in October. I
wish the experiment was now tried, and ifit • would not
be running the risk of not keeping the mains charged, I
should be glad to see"the old 'spring water :turned back
(applause),' and thiM -we 'should sae whether the' in-
habitants would be More satisfied with Rivington or the
old springs. (Hear, hear) •

M. 6.'Turtier : As to a'remark of Mr. Holme's, I may
say that the revenue of the dock estate is amply sufficient
for all tihrposes.

Mt. ilermti I didn't mean that; bat meant to say that
any new work eould not be expected to produce im-
mediately.

Mr. T. L. Hodson said, this was the old leaven again,
and it was an unfortunate circumstance that, whenever a
certain portion of the water committee had the opportu-
tunity, of making a statement that would come
before the public of a nature to prejudice this
great work —they would go on, at all hazards,
whether the revenue was sinking or not—they would g)
on, and try to'disparage it in the opinion of the public.
Stich a course was to be deprecated, and those who in-
dulged in it seemed to be doing all the injury they could
to an object which was desirable to attain.
Mr. Jeffery denied the accuracy of the statement.
Mr. Hodson would like to know, then, in the
name of Gracl--" Order.") Mr. Jeffery, from day
to day, in that council was doing a systematic
injury by prejudicing the question in the .eyes
of the public. (Hear, hear, and " order.") ' lie
admired Mr. Jcffery's great and powerful talents,
and when he used them for the good of his
fellowmen, he (Mr. HAson) not only admired but
adored him. (Laughter.) But Mr. Jeffery forgot his
high position, and seemed to overlook the fact
that the people of Liverpool were now receiving
from this scheme, benefits incalculable. This
was the water question over again, and they had
again gone right into the whole subject. (Hear, hear.)
He would ask what, supposing they had last year been
depending entirely upon ..t the wells, would have
become of the people of Liverpool. (Hear, hear.) He
asked Mr. Stitt to answer the question, and when that
gentleman denounced this water, he would tell them that
they had as good water now as. was ever
supplied to a community,—(hear, hear) —and that
any man who said the water was unhealthy,
did not know what he was talking about, or what
he was stating to the public. His friend, Mr. Woodruff,
quietly and adriotly communicated with Mr. Jeffery in
the committee; but he could hardly think that if Mr.
Jeffery had had all the anxiety that he professed for the

public good, that he. would have acted as he did in the
committee. Mr. Jeffery should see, as a politic man, and
the Council as a politic council, that it was highly im-
portant and necessary to impound in reservoirs supplies
of water, to provide against draughts, when those supplies
would have to be depended upon. Bat . what cared
they the

ibaut the reservoirs ? What was it to
anti-Pike party whether

empty or la 11? They did not

i to ' val

it one 'straw, irrespective of hot weather, disease,
and other circumstances of which they must all have
some knowledge. He trusted the Council would bear
that in mind, and that they would not be lead to play
any schemes or pranks to destroy that great scheme Or
interfere with its efficiency. lie did not think the
of Mr. ' Jeffery and Mr. Bennett
it all applicable to water .coloured by
floods, such as invariably prevailed at
•Nns of the year. The engines did not require
, anose that were at Green-lane, Water-street.
Were in excellent condition ; and, in fact,
hints .thrUwn out by Mr. Gladstone were to 1,

remlrks

certain s

upbn, they could supply the water half and half. He
had paid attention to this matter for many years, and the
Countil had delegated to the committee the task of pro-
viding the town with a proper scheme for the supply of
water, as quickly and cheaply as possible; and those of
the committee who• were opposed to the science, and to
carrying it out, should leave the committee, and allow
others to do the work. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)

,
The vote was then taken for the amendment, with the
following result :
For :—Alderman Dover, Parker, J. H. Turner, F.
Shand W. Houghton, S Holme ; Messrs. Stitt,
Anderson, Crellin, C. Turner. Stoains, J. Holme, D.
Rae, T. Ridley, T. Wagstaff, Tobin, Earle, Hutchison,
Johnson, Hodson, Clint, Robertson, Farnworth,
Anthony, Cropper-25.
Against—Alderman W. Bennett, R. C. Gardner,
Messrs. Woodruff; S,ieil, Corbally, Barton, Clerk, Ryley,
Bowring, W. P. Jeffreys, Rogers, Job, J. R. Jeffery,
Picton, Kitchen, Bnkwith,. and Vernon-18.
Alderman Parker said, very bad effects would arise
from Mr. Jeffery's motion. being carried out; and he was
sorry Mr. Gladstone's advice• had not been taken.
Mr. Jeffery asked what the Council would instruct the
committee to do. Would they declare that they did not
desire the whole water district to be supplied uniformly,
but that they 'desired the- outer districts should be a
favoured few—that those within the boundary should
have the inferior water, and should pay up a deficiency
of £15,000 a year; and that those. outside should have
superior water and. be exonerated from any share in that
payment. He moved as an amendment that the followin,g
addendum be appended to Mr. Earle's motion. " And
that the water committee be instructed to have the
reservoirs filled with all practical speed." He
wished the üblic to understand that• the works.
were estimate to supply a quantity of sixteen millions of
gallons. The whole amount now being supplied was
ten millions including the red sandstone. The quantity
they- were taking from the reservoirs was six millions.
Let them draw away the whole of the sixteen willinns,
and see where they would be at the end of six'inorkths.
Now, that they had got the works delivered over to them,,and
he wanted to know, whether they had received what they
contracted for ? He did not want the public to take this
as his opinion, but as the fact. They had found that the
cost. had been falsified, the quality had been falsified
he believed they would now find that the quantity also
had been falsified.
Mr. Ryley seconded the amendment.
Mr. Anderson said the question was, -whether it w
i fort fair
time.t o do
fair to test the quality of the Rivington. water after the
very heavy fall of rain. He did not think
better
if, after a time a
ert
delay it
they
IT% and
quiteh eagtrheoe
du gwhitththmery had .
Ryisey that
found the water still discolourised, • they should adopt
every to
said,d e o
el ovue rr iys e
rso.
n in the Park had been
deprived of water, and there Was, therefore, no reason
why the Corporation should not_ be called upon to supply
them. Ile had been accused of using harsh language.
He had been a little sharp perhaps, but he had only en-
deavoured to describe a liberal in its true colours. (Hear,
hear, and laughter.) He asked whether the water com-
mittee had any power to direct what quantity of rain
should fall from the Heavens ? It was that which filled
the reservoirs. (Laughter.)
Mr. AidertnAn S. Holme said Mr. Jeffery had alluded

three times oral
- they'
Derby, to Aigburth particularly. Now he
s-b-akia- to -illoirb416:11 of. the inhabitants of Aisburth,
.Bootle, West Dbr, 4'.
iii :041.n- on with the i±nholitints of
'that i when
and other places, had

their ivater taken away- incZ

pumpiug to give a suppl yto the'
:they had every right, to demand--,
ithe Corporation should give them a supplyin eo
the inhabitants of Liverpool._ (Hear, Near.)
late in the day to make a.sort of division betwe,_
outskirts and the town. Were they not all one connau-,
pity 3. (Hear, hear.) If he
,resided in Aigburth, had
he not, or had he not had, works and' property in
Liverpool 1.: The same kind of argument had been urgel
with referenee.to the gas question, but
.he thought it was
quite too lute iii the day. Now they were told that the
engines were, at present in a' dilapidated condition.
'Ones of.no, Had it not been said that. the engines-

tants of Liverpool,
mand—that

(Ike

'non with
too

It

were ont- of repair?
Mr. Hodson : Slightly
Crellin : 'Two engines only.
, Mr. liolme asked., .what would have been, the condition
of the inhabitiuits of Liverpool if they had' liad no
Rivingtou ? Would the, gentlemen, who were trying to
cast odium upon it, be contented to abandon it altogether
—.to . let it remain, as, it w4as•---to cut off -the
'supplies entirely, and . bring the inhabitants
of • Liverpool;; until . the. reservoirs were choke-
full, back to the old supply from the wells ?
Would any. gentleman
.stint up• there, and take the .
responsibility upon himself of bringing the inhabitants of
Liverpool back to the supply of four or five million
.gallons - from the- . wells ? The water, punnittee had
been surrounded by difficulties.. IL did not hesitate to
make the confession as, well as his brother, that the
quantity of water.. which ~they were. receiving from
.Rivington had not :been so great as 'they were led to
expect. (Hear, hear.) As to the cost of the out-
districts, it was evident that in some places, until a'
sufficient number of houses had . been. built there,
there must. be , some deficiency which would be
made up in another period., •
'They had bad time
wasted not by hours, but almost by ,weeks, upon
that question. (Hear, hear.). The time would come
when they would have to seek for supplies some-
where else, in addition to all they had' got ; and he
trusted that all little biekerings would be kpii, en up, and
that the members of the water committee, .8s men of
business, would put their shoulders to the wheel, for the
purpose of obtaining a sufficient supply of water' and not
in order to gratify any feelings; of personal rivalry,
put the town of Liverpool up-on short allowance. (Hear.)
• Mr. Bennett . found. fault .Aith 'the difference of the
water supplied at some places, and expressed a hope that
the amendment would pass with the addendum rnxvel by
Mr. Jeffery..

Mr. Earle said it was an unmeaning addendum, and
therefore he could not subinit.to it.
Mr. Woodruff said they had had. an,extraordinary, tramthat day. Two:gentlemen of the priginal water. comtnitee;
of the original sclieme, had been on their
with a confession. If this confession had come yeara
ago, it would have saved, a great deal. The opponents of
the Rivington scheme, two or three years ago; made several
statements, and every prediCtion that they had made
had been more. than fulfilled; - and, that day they had

and the promo'

two members of the o.

that had ever Wen advan'Sed.,by the opponents on that
question. If the original party would ' admit
that they were mistaken on the question, they
were willing to make the best of the water, and
it-. should be given , to , all parties alike—not
that the well should be stopped at one part and not at
the other. He trusted that the addendum would be
carried.L There was nothing unreasonable in it.,

Mr. erellin thought h Might perhaps explain to Mr.
Bennett, although he k lew he did not require..., the
explanation (hear, hear), that the inhabitants of Bootle
were supplied from the Bootle springs, in consequence of
no pipes from the Kensington reservoir going to Bootle,
and it was done for the sake of economy. As far as the
supply to Mosley-hill was concerned, Mr. Beim

t knew

poiteeay well that the water fro:n thO Kensington
reservoir was not sufficient to supply o
the
upper houses at Mosley-hill, and, therefore, the
engineer, was obliged to pump up, by the engine,
sundry days in • the week, enough to supply the upper
houses,' On every other occasion the place
was supplied
with the same water as that received in Liverpool. He
was astonished that Mr. Bennett shOuld manceuvre liis
letiCS so.
M. Tobin thought the umendment was expressing

a doubt that

ald not

carry out what it wai their bounden duty to do,

Mr. Hodson agreed with Mr. Tobin

. Mr. Gladstone-said he would state to the water com-
mittee that it did appear to him unfortunate that all
persons deriving a supply of water from the• corporation
of Liverpool had not received precisely the same quality
of water. It appeared to him desirable that the water
engineer, as far as practical, should submit to the com-
mittee the different proportions which• he proposed to
give. This was a question which seemed to him worthy
the consideration of the committee.
Mr. Hodson assured Mr. Gladstone that. the anxiety of
the committee was to make the water equal to all, but in
consequence of the engineering difficulties which they had
not been able to surmount, there were portions of the town.
supplied with larger portions of the well than Itivagton
water. He would assure the Council that the committee
would take the matter into consideration, and endeavour
to make the water equal teen.
.114. Jeffery made a cer-
tain mistake by saying that they were only getting serea
million gallons per day from Rsvington, whereas they got
forty-three million gallons last week, which was some-

If it was the

thing snore than seven millions per d.a,
desire of the Council to put the town ;upon the inter-
mittent supply, .the committee would do so,
.but the
committeee would not take the risk, in case of fires, with.
the mains empty. They had from forty-two million to
forty-three million gallons of well-water per week. In
consequence of the bad and injurious quality of the water
pumped at Water-street, it was deemed advisable to stop
the pumping of it. The anxiety of the committee was
to do the best for the community at large; and he was
sure Mr. Jeffery might, in his generosity, belide that.
they were quite as anxious for the public weal as he was.
The amendment was then put, when there appeared
For—Aldermen : Chilton, Parker, Gardner. Council-
lors—Stitt, Woodruff, Sheil,.Shisnmin,.Corbally, Barton,
Clerk, Ryley, Jeffreys, Ridley, Rogers, Gladioli(
Jeffery, PicOn, Kitchen.,
Against—The Al ityos
Shand, Houghton, . Holm(
Crellin, Turner, Steains, Holme, Rae-, Shand, Tobin,
Earle, Hodson, Clint, Robertson, FarnwOith, Anthony

BeCkwiih,

1-1)ov

Alden
. Connrill

The ameadment was declared, lost.
BATHS COMMITTEE

The proceedings of this committ
and confirmed. PLZBLIC OFFICES.

, Turner,
Nuderson.

were then read

The proceedings of the special committee for the remo-
val of the public offices from the Town Hall were read;
as was also a report from the Town Clerk on the subject,
which approved of the remlval on account of insufficient
accommodation in the Town Hall for the ',witless of the
town. - - -

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Mr. Charles Turner said the council would have learned
eetthein
caolnlecioll:eahr;
from the proceedings that the committee were unable to
a.. Tee on all the matters br9ught. before. them;
bear-
ings, , theyald
had
dey e subject the
dihseauredcom
thought unanimously, every tuer.nh3r wai Convinced*that concentrutton was desirable to enable
the Town Clerk to prosecute the business of the Corineit,
and without which it was. very- difficult forhim to discharge
his duties; but, as to the locality.uponwhich the cou-
centration_was to take placei, was, a nutter upon which
the opinions of the committee were very much divided.
They had heard from, the report of the Town Clerk,
that the treasurers andsurveyors,and the leasing and eon-
veyancingdep?.rtmelits,.must necessarily be close twpott.

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and also in imandiate contiguity to the Town Clerk's
office, as there was a constant Commanication between
assistance them. On the other hand,.-mant/ members of thecom-
mittee felt strongly that it was esirable that the Town
frequently
tl
y whichs office should be near the
mayor., the.melyor
desired. the advice and. of the. Town
thought_ could - -
many members of the committee

not be efficiently

and• in

deputed to
bd if

c of the

orporation.
the whole of the officeswere concentrated' in Dale-
street ; if the Town Clerk were to be taken there;
if the Mayor himself were to have apartments in Dale-
street, it was the opinion of many of the, members of the
committee that the Town Hall would then be a very
useless building, as, in point of fact; it must then become.
Although the Town Hall was not a place in which
the Mayor resided, it was his official residence, and in
1

wlnc. the mayors of Liverpoot not only conducted.
their publio business, but received, those strangers who
might visit Liverpool, and certainly it 'was almost the
fittest place, not only in Liverpool, but in England for
such a purpose—and he doubted very match whether
the council of the town of Liverpool would sanction
the removal of the Mayor from the . Tows-
hall. He thought the, council would feel great
hesitation in doing so, and it might be
very much against the. feelings of that Council, and
against the inhabitaAts of Liverpool generally. But
admitting the neccity of concentration, many members
of the committee had turned their attention to 3 plot of
land on the other side of the street, a great part of which
desirable, and. woutolhmdemmeitoateksteeoas2f,
to the Corporation, and about 300 yards at the corner
wyaaristliine
apropertyall,
ly Upon
nf
this
sc
2C, aoroppogry4aav
the committee
eyar yards belonged
of Rumford-streot, not the property of the . Corporation,
rds,
Mr, ;:stovliuttle to make an 44
but might become so if
"kthei