Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-08-07 00:00:00

THE MORALS OF CORK.

Our cotemporary, the Cork Daily Reporter, furnishes
us with the following repart of the police proceedings In
that city on Tuesday. it is anything but complimentary
of the morals of the southern capital of the Green Isle.

Louis Isaac, a black Yankee sailor, and Isaac Callaghan,
another sailor, both of the Waldensian, screw- st*eimer, were
brought forward, charged with being drink on the previous
evening Mayor: They got a sailor's "rie—l suppose
they were in all night ? Policeman: They were, your
worship. Mayor :. It might happen a bishop to get drunk.
Let them be discharged.
John Tarrant was charged with having been drunk on
tha Westevn-road on the previous night. Prisoner : Your
warship, I worked at he modelling school. Mayo, : A.
pretty farm, r they had in you. Prisoner: I tolk only
two pus and a glass, and coming home I got a lit le out
of the way. Mayor: The law imposes a penalty of 5;
for being drunk. ConstaMe :He was lying utid-r the
wall, and it was reported he was faling into the tide.
Fined is and costs.

Michael Doyle was charged with having been drunk at
Blackpool between eight an i nine o'clock on the previous
evening. Prisoner: I was only cutting kora° within a
few doors of my own horse. Mayor : Have you a wife?
Prisoner Yes. Mayor : And children ? Prisoner : Yes.
Mayor And that is the way you wok to give them a
living! What are yoll? Prisoner : An upholsierer.
Mayor: how many children have you? Prie : Two
at home, and - Mayor : And that is the way you spend
the means for their su: port! Prisoner: I was not here
for the peat fourteen years. Mayor :. You ought to be
ashamed to be here. Then you are an old drunkard.
You must be fined two shillings and sixpence.

Thomas Greene was charged with being drunk in
Shandon-street. Mayor: What is your profession?
Pi ironer :. A sweep, your honor, sir. Mayor :Do you
belong to Christ's Cnurch ? Prisoner :- I belong to the
Norm lane: Mayor :Oh ! you are a northern bird.
What made you gst drunk ? Prisoner : I don't know,
sir. Mayor : Fine him 24. 63., and it ought to be ss.
Prisoner : Begorra, I hav'nt it, sir.
Ellen Drinan was charged with being drunk. Mayor:
Nothing more ?' You have been "disorderly" here. All
the inhabitants are complaining of these women. It is
great misfortune they should pursut such a course of life,
but they ought to keep outside in the neighbourhood. She
must be fined ss. or a week's imprisonment.

Mary Mahony, an old ill-leaking woman, was chargad
wi,h, having expo,ed herself on the Gravid Parade. Chalk :
She is s horrible drunkard, and her poor hu,band can
do nothing with her. She drinks all he earns, Prisoner :
I was getting deranged your worship. Mayor :. The fact
is this, a woman like you, does a great deal of evil, and is
a diTrace to society. A coup'e of months in gaol will
cure her. Prisoner: I'll die, sr, if I'm sent to gaol. She
was remandad till three o'clock, till her husband be
communicated.

Margaret Ryan, Hannora Wall, and Anne Stack were
charge) with being drunk at twenty minutes past ten oa
the previous night. Ryan : I was in the street for the
past 16 years and this girl (Ryan) interfered with me.
Mayor : Fourteen days and hard labour will make them
behave themselves.

Rebecca Greene was put forward. Policeman : I took
this woman to the police-barra2k last night, at one o'clock,
she said she would not be let into her own house, and I had
to put her into the bride well foe protection. Mayor :
What is your husband? Prisoner : He is a. pensioner.
The Mayor : Oh ! one of the that get drunk continually.
A week in gaol will do you some good ; we will have to
support you there. Prisoner: I have an infant, and what
wid Ido with it? The Mayor : Oh, God help the infant.
Bridget Walsh, one of the "nymphs of the pave," was
presented befure their worships, charged with having been
drunk and disorderly on the previous night. The pri-
soner's eyes bore unmistakable cvidenca that she had been
in some row. Connell, a watchman, came forward to pro-
secute. Prisoa r (indignantly): Come, now, you don't
tell a lie of me, for you know I was not drunk. Watch-
man : She was bind drunk, and " another chapP in her
company, in Marboro'-street; I saw them f,equeally. The
Mayor : Did she ever give you any money ? Watchman :
No, up.on my oath. P; ironer (violently): You lie, you
rogue; I gave y u money. I told you la,t night,
when you asked me to give you whisky, that I had no
money, and you said, " Come to Mr. Barry's" wherever
that is, " and we will get it." He also brought me back to
give him a pint in Grafton's-alley. Mayor: I must say
this, I have no better opinion of the wa,chmen of Cork
than I have of the women. Wa,ehman: She is always
disorderly on the walk. Ma3.or : W.aeiher the man is
right or wrong, you (prisoner) were wrong by being on the
street. Prisoner : Any one that gives him whisky he will
let alone. Mayor: I have the greatest diffidence in the'
watchmen. Were you ever drunk?. Watchman :- I was
in my life time. Mayor : How long are you a watchman?
Watchman : Sixteen years. Mayor : Were you ever drunk
on your beat at night? Watchman : I was. Mayor :
Were you ever in brideerell for it?' Watchman : I was.
Mayor : You are a nice fellow. Go on now and discharge
that poor woman. Prisoner (leaving): Oh! good God!
you took a false oath against me.
Mary Ann 'lowly, a married woman, about 18, years of
age, summoned her husband Patrick, who appeared to be
about 20, for an assault. She 6ta.ed that they were fire
years married, and had two children. Her husband was
in the habit of treating her most cruelly. The attorneys'
at either side. after some discussion, suggested that the
matter should be sent to the parish priest for settlement.
Mayor (to Defendant) : Who is your priest ? Defendant :
Father Walter Murphy. Mayor : When ware you at your
confession ? Defendant : I was not there for the past
four months. Mayor: That accounts for your present
conduct. The parties then retired.

COINERS IN POR.ITGAL.—Lettera from Lisbon, mention
the capture of a set of coiners of English. sovereigns and
otaer foreign pieces at Braga, about thirty miles from
Oporto. The number of the party was siren, and among
them was a priest, Aqother priest, who appears to have
been the leader, has escape& The coining was carried on
in the house of one of these priests, and must have been
conducted on a large seal-, as five carts, each drawn by four
oxen, were required to remove the implements and
maabinery after the seizure. English sovereigns, which
are current in Portugal at 4,500 reis each, stem to have
been the chi, ntnanufacture, but Seanitsh ouncee and half-
ounces of Charles 111. were also found.

FLORENCE NICiaTING ALE AND IR FRFEM SCXI.
L rd Psnmure, accompanied by Lard Darltam, Lord Digh,
Lord G)dericb, Lord Linclln, Lord Carnarvon, and a
numerous pity, viEited Woolwich arsenal yesterday morn-
ing, after which they repaired to the Town Hall to attend
a meetirg• of the Woolwich Masonic Brethren, for the
purpose of instmrating a new masonic lodge, to be named
the "-Nightingale Lodge." Tnc ceremony was performed'
by tire new D. Grand Master, the Bight- Ito,. Lo-ii
Panmure, assisted by .Br. White, P.G- Ste.. Br. J. B.
Wagon, G.D , Dr.-Famtield, Assist. G. Sec , Br. Nervy,
P.G.D., and a number of others, about 150 of t'e brithr-rt
being present. At the conclusion of the cf,rerrinnr, which
was impressively performed, Captain Forbes, of the Royal
Artillery, was installed in the chair as the First Nlaster,
and the D.G.M., addressing 'him, said that though the
order did not admit ladies to its ceremonies, there was
nothing to prevent their bailing from .a lodge bearing the
name of a lady who bad left her borne to pc.rfo!nt a' mest
Christian, a, most disinterested, a most useful work, and
thus carry into effect that truly masonic virtue—
Charity. He felt that she had made a name that was
confinednot to a kin:riarta, but which was as widely spread
through, the world as was the ancient craft of freemasonry.
in the. eveninr, a number of the brethren dined at the
Crown and Anchor Tavern ; his lordship, however, was
unable to attend, owing to his ditties in the House of
Lords.. _ _ .

LORD CAMPBELL'S "LxvEs."—..We must couple the
referende to Lord Lyndhurst with the cornpl sint, AVhieh he
made, both of txwestions used by Lerd Campbell in the
debate, and of an attack open him in the " Lives" lately
published by the Chief Justice.. This has led us to look at
the volume rn question : and we incline to agree with
Lord Lyndhurst that the remarks are offensive, though, in
all likelihood, they proceed from carelessness rather then
design. There is nothing in the general structure of the
work which at all negatives this supposilion. o!,,nsid,2ring
the importance of the subjeets treated, and the station of
the author, it is singular how hastily it appears to love
been compost d. This is manifest in every part of it. The
manner in which Lord E lenborough's repartees are given
can only be ascribed to carclesiness ; for they lose their
force and efEct sometimes by the redendance of needless
words. sometimes by greater errors. Ent this is a matter
of taste, and Lord Campbell's may differ from that of other
men. As ta fact,, there can be no such d!spute. It is
only ut,re carclesiness that could make the Chief Justice
eay (Vol. 111. p. 220), that the pillory "was altogether
abolished" by the bill introduced upon L r,l Coehrant's
ittoit perfectly well known
a the punishment for
convictionth at it continued,and
perjury—the exception in the act of 18,6. So nothing
sentence,until w i
hut baste can account for the statement (ib. p. 318), that
Wore Lord Teriterden made his second speech in the
House of Lords, " Mr. Canning had fallen a victim to the
aristocratic combination against him," when it is quits
well known that Mr. C. had died. He follows this up
with a severe attack upon his successor. Indeed, the bock
abounds in such passages, levelled not only at the dead but
the living, as if to meet the well-known mention of him by
Sir C. Wetherell in the last speech be ever made, that his
noble and biographical friend had armed death with new
terrors,—Law Maprzinet for Atigttst,

TOWN COUNCIL.

The adjourned meeting of the Council was held at
eleven o'clock yesterday, in the Concert-room, St. George's
fall, the Mayor, FRANCIS SHAND, Esq., presided.
Mr. CHARLES TURNB said : I believe, Mr. Mayor, that-
when the Council adjourned yesterday, the motion for
adjournment was moved by myself, and it was moved
upon a resolution which I had previously made, proposing
that certain gentlemen, whose period of service llad expired,
be re-elected membets of the Dock Comraittee by this
Council. I will therefore now repeat the motion I made
yesterday, without making any epee& upon it. I move
that Messrs. Thomas Robinson, Charles Turner, Thomas
Chilton, and Thomas Darnley Anderson be re-elected
members of the Dock Committee.
Mr. CHILY3N seconded the motion.
Toe MATOR said a reply had been received to the 'tele-
graphic communication sent up yesterday. The reply was,
that nothing was intended about the re-election of the
dock members, but it was thought that discussion upon the
subject might be trejudieial.
Mr. J. R. JEFFERY : I beg to move, sir, that the
Council do now adjourn to Saturday next. I came
down yesterday night by the mail, from a conference
with your deputation, held twice yesterday. upon
reading, sir, the proceedings of yesterday's meeting in this
chamber this, morning, a 3 represented in the public prints,
which I think will be admitted to be a tolerably correct
report, I find that Mr. Turner has fallen into an error in
supposing that the telegraphic communication, which was
received here by some members of the Council from myself,
was of a-political character. So far from that, sir, after
the telegraphic communication to yourself had been 'for-
warded yesterday, I suggested the propriety, as the result
of our deliberations, while in consultation among our-
selves, Mr. Alderman Turner in the chair, that there
should be no Council, if possible, and that I said, without
the slightest regard to the election or rejection of the
gentlemen who it is proposed to-day shall be returned
again to the Dock Committee. The circumat 'nee was not
introduced—the subject was not mentioned. I read to
nay colleagues the telegraphic communication. They
highly approved of it. I addressed that communication to
Mr. Picton, as' I had received a communication the day
before, which I also read to my colleagues, that Mr Pieton
was about to ask some questions in this chamber with refer-
ence to the present position of the Mersey Conserveuey
Mill. I also scut the same telegraphic communication to
Mr. A. C. Stewart. I sent the same communication to Mr.
Ald. Holme ; and Mr. Ald. Turner sent a telegraph in his
own language, but in the same spirit, to Mr. Tobin.
Now, sir, I think the Council will be satisfied, after that,
that nothing of a political character was intended to be
conveyed by that telegraphic commun'cation. (Hear, hear.)
I have by my side Mr. Tyrer, who wes present at the
conference, and was a party to that telegraphic communi-
cation being sent forward. I think no member of the
Council will say that Mr. Tyrer would be a party to a
political complexion being given to a dommunication to
the prejudice of his friend, Mr. Turner. No, sir. I repeat,
not one syllable was mentioned in the discussion in referench
to the election or rejection of the gentlemen who were to
be nominated yesterday or tc-jay for seats in the I) 'clt
Commi tee. Now, sir, I will assign the reason why that
communication was sent. The communication was sent to
yourself that the Dock Committee's proceedings only
should be proceeded with, and that then the Council
should be atlj learned. Even upon that not a
word was said about the re-election of the members
whose seats had become vacant in the Dock
Committee. But the fear was this—that, as we were
about to resolve, and as we did subsequently resolve,
upon certain terms being submitted to our opponents, it
was quite possible that counter-terms might be submitted
to-day, which would call forth a rejoinder from ourselves,
which again might call forth a rtiader to-morrow, and
Saturday, we thought, would b 3 a very convenient day, in-
deed, if the confirmation of the Council should be needed,
in order that time might net be unnecessarily dslayed in
carrying out the object-for which you sent your deputation
to London. And when I tell you, Mr. Mayor and the
Council, that we are spending from £3OO to ..ElOO a day,
I do call upon the Coundl, as representing the interests of
the rate-payers at large, to pause before they do anything
which might jeopardize the interests of the constituents
who sent them here. I do beseech you, gentlemen, to
enter upon no discussion whatever—to adjourn quietly
until Saturday, and if this motion be accepted by the Coun-
cil now present, and that the Council adjourn well Satar•
day, I have no desire to say another word, but, if you do
not adopt it, I would ask you to do one of the two things—
first, to pass the resolution for adjourning the Council until
Saturday, or if you will not do that then at once recall
your deputation from Lon ion, either one or the other.
have no desire whatever, to say another word, but if the
Council gn on then, it will be my duty to make such a
statement for the guidance of the wadi as will be done
very reluctantly indeed; because conceive, that anything
more which may be said will be to the prejudice of those
who have rent ns here, but the necessity which drives me
to do my duty will also prompt me not to be withheld by
any consideration from fully discharging that duty, and
upon the majority then the responsibirity must rest.
(Hear, hear,)
Mr. Hopson seconded the amendment.
Mr. CHARLES TURNBR : I have not heard, in the speech
made by Mr. Jeffery, any reason whatever given why the
election of the Gentleman whom I have proposed should
not be proceeded with. I have heard many very sound
reasons why we should have no discussion, in that I
perfectly agree, but I would ask the Council to remember
that unless there is some objection in the minds of some
gentlemen belonging to the Council, as to the fitness of the
gentlemen who are proposedforre-election, there-election of
these gentlemen would no on, as a matter of course, with-
, out any discussion. (Hear, hear.) Bat it' there is such a
feeling in the minds of some members of the Council—and
from the concleirg part of Mr. Jeff,ry's remarks, I must
infer that there is—l think it quite right that that feeline
should be expres:el at once. (Bear, hear.) It is well
known to this Council that being sett as a member of the
Dock Committee by this toady, I have had the great honour
of being elected the.chairman of the Dock Committee by
the members of that Board. I have been elected, not once,
but three times, during the last six years—first, in August,
1851, and twice subseveatly. On all those occasionemy
re-election gave rise to no discussion at all Therefore I
must infer, from the observations which have been male,
that there is something behind which, in the opinion of
some gannlernen, renders my re-election objectionable.
Far be it from me to quarrel with any gentleman for
expressing honestly and openly his opinions. If any
gentleman thinks my conduct during the last six years,
while I occupied the chair at that Board, has been
improper either as regards my duty to the town and
the trade of the port, or as regards my duty to the
Council and the rateprteayers of the town, both of which
I have, so far as my bumble abili•ies would allow me,
most conscientiously determined to bear in mini. If any
gentleman thinks I have failed in the discharge of my
duty, it is (Fite right and proper that he should oppose
my re•election ; and I agree with Mr. Jeffery, that he
would be failing in his dnty, if he did not oppose my
being sent again as a deputy from the Council to the D ck
Committee. But, sir, I was told eresterday that the post-
ponement of the election involved nothing, inasmuch as I
could act as chairman in the meantime. Well, now, lam
speaking to gentlemen of honour and of influence ; to
g •
entlemen who feel a regard for their own character as I
feel a regard for mine; and I do feel, and I respectfully
state, without any wish to fool t out any threat of any kind
or description to the Council, that, although no question
of merely personal feeling could prevent me from going
through anything which I hit it was my duty to peform,
with regard to the trade of the town' and the inhabi-
tants of this great borough—yet if I were to conde-
scend to act, having my re-election postponed in the
manner in which it is .proposed to do, I feel that I should
degrade my own character, and that, holding the position
I do, I should degrade the office. (Rear, hear.) lam
expressing my own feelings, and upon these, having come
to a clear conclusion upon the matter, I must, with all due
deference, act. If the only reason for postponing this re-
election must be, as I have already stated, some feeling of
want of confidence in me, then, in what position am I
placed? I had a telegrapbic message from the Dick
Solicitor Past night, saying that be hoped, at all events, I
would go up to London to-day. Suppose I go up to
London to-day, and attend a meeting of my brethren :of
the Dock Committee ; suppose I go down to the Deck
Committee at one o'clock, and take the chair, bow can 1
perform my duty, in either capacity, with what IMISt feel
to be a vote of want of confidence hanging over my head ?
I must say I could not po]sibly do it. If any pert of my
conduct should seem to favour the dock ratepayers, what
would be said? It would be said—" You are acting
with a feclirg of spite, or something of the kin], towards
the Couceil and the town." If, on the other hand, I
should think it my duty to go with and act in a way which
may be considered by some of the dock ratepcyersin favour
of the extreme views of members of the Council, it will
then he said, " we see that Mr. Turner is afraid of his
re-election." Now, unl-ss I can go to the Dock Com-
mittee thoroughly independent, and unless the Council are
of opinion that, being independent, I have inteliigerce and
character enough to do nay duty to the ratepayers of this
town—as I have most conscientiously endeavoured to do
upon all occasiona—defending them in this place, in Lon-
den, and everywhere else—unless they hare confidence
enough in me to replace me in that position which I hold
nominally now, bat which yesterday I held by virtue of
the election of 1851—unless they send me to London in such
a manner that I think I can act properly during the nego-
eations which are taking place—l hope and trust that they
will elect Valci one slag ire Eni stead. If you should adjourn ,

this Council, as proposed by Mr. Jeffery, I shall act, as
said•before, upon my own sense of my duty, and shall
merely be quiescent until the Council have either expressed,
by a vote, their coafi knee in me, or else elected some one
else in my place. I raw, thereore, persist in my mettou.
The Council then divided upon the amendment, when
there appeared—
For the amendment: Aldermen Bennett, Dover ;
Councillors Stitt, A. C Stewart, Sheil, Woodruff, Hay-
dock, McGuffie, Godfrey, Steains, Banner, Johnson, J.
R., Jeffery, Kitchen, Hodson. Mellor, and Beckwith-17.
Against the amendment: Toe Mayor; Aldermen Chil-
ton, Parker, Robinson, Cooper, Hought ra, S. Hanle ;
Councillors Anderson, Tyrer, Turner, Livingston, Wag-
staff, Lawrence, Shand, Brancker, Tobin, •Farnworth,
Robertson, and Hall-19.
The amendment was, therefore, declared lost.
Mr. Honsoer said he regretted that be would now have
to perf alai the duty which he bad performed the previous
day. He had to express bis great surprise, that two gen-
tlemen, who were evidently parties to the telegraphic
despatch which was seat down the previous day, should
hive come to the Council that day and voted against
the opinion which was expressed in the tele-
graphic communication of the previous day.
That appeared to him a most extraordinary thing, and
he confessed that it placed those gentlemen in a false
and unfortunate position. (Hear, hear.) He would
again ask them whether it was politic, after what Mr.
Jeffery, who was one of their deputation, told them,
and in as thin a Council as ever assembled, to carry out
their object by a bare majority of trier? He was sure
that Mr. Turner would take his word when he told him
that he had no personal objection to him, but, as a
member of the Council and representative of the rate-
payers, he should endeavour to do his dn'y. When they
saw such a gentleman as Mr. Turner straining every
point, and, with the greatest anxiety, begging of the
Council to re-elect him, he (Nir. Hodson) would ask
every member in the room whether they could disabuse
their mind of the impression that there must be some
latent. feeling in the breast of that gentleman ? What
motive—what deep-laid scheme, was ahere, that they
should be forced to an election that day.? Mr. Jeffery
told him, before they entered the room that morning,
sufficient to convince him that there was more than met
the eye in this matter, and that if all the features of the
case were laid bare, many gentlemen in the room, who
voted with the majority, would vote with the minority.
If the attempt at an election that day were persevered
in, then he should say that in duty Mr. Jeffery was
called upon to lay bare ail the facts of the case. (" Hear,
hear," from Mr. Turner.) They saw how the majority
was made no; they saw how gentlemen, who scircely
ever attended except to vole for their "party," were
"drummed up" in a manner that was anything but
creditable to the Council. (Loud cries of Order, order,"
and "Hear, hear.") He (Mr. Hodson), at a ptcnniary
sacrifice, devoted his time to the discharge of his duties as
a member of the Council ; but gentlemen were brought
into the room that day—he alluded particularly to the
gentleman at the foot of the table (llr. G. H. Horafall)—
who never appeared hut on the occatien of a vote for their
party, and when that vote was " tight run." (Hear,
hear, and cries of "Order, order," from Mr. A. Shand.)
" Order, order" might be cried by Mr. A Shand, but what
he (Mr. Hodson) stated was the no less true. He would
ask again what motive was there that Mr. Turner should
so beg and pray of the Council to re-elect him ? B:fore
he (Mr. Hodson) would so palm -himself on gentlemen,
and beg of them for their votes, he would spurn them.
(Cheers and laughter.) If he said one word that was
offensive
Mr. C. TURVER : Yon have said a good many, sir.
(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Mr. Alderman Toutatne here entered the room, and was
received with laughter from Mr. Beckwith and the gentle-
men on his side of the room.
Mr. Hormel continued : He was sorry if he had used
any language that was offensive, but if they wanted any
proof of the correctness of this statement, let them look at
the arrivals. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) They were not
dealing fair with the interests of the people of Liverpool.
(Hear, hear.) The interests of the tradespeople were at
stake, and it was their duty, as the represensatives of the
people, to protect them. He would move that the Council
adjourn till Saturday.
Mr. STITT seconded the motion.
Mr. C. TURNER : Mr. Hodson says he is quite wilting
to vote for my election, only it must not be to-day, and
yet a speech more full of insinuation against my character,
as a merchant and a gentleman, I never heard. (Hear.)
I appeal to any one here whether the speech is not as full
of insinuation against my character as it is possible for a
speech to be—(hear, hear)—and if half of what Mr.
Hodson has insinuated is true, I connot see how it would
be consistent with his duty to vote for me either on to-
day or Saturday. (Hear, hear.) Ido not ask the Council
to reeelect me, but I ask the Condi to decide this ques-
tion. I say, it the Council re-elect me I will serve them,
but I will not act while this is hanging over me. I con-
sider the postponement a slur on my character. I have
told Mr. Hodson so over and over again, and yet he reite-
rates the same charge, as if I had not answered it before.
Mr. Hodson is an independent gentleman ; I am also in-
dependent, and, without depreciating Mr. Hodson's
character, I think mine stands as high in this town as does
Mr. Hodson's
Mr. A. C. STEWART Ke p from personalities. (" Order
order.")

Mr. Q. TURNER : What was Mr. Hoisoa's speech ?
Hear, hear.) A sieec'a more full of personalities I never
tieaid. Ho insinuated that I begged and solicited my
election. Was that not personal? He insinuated that I
did that for some underhand motive.
Mr. HODSON : I said there must be—l did not say there
was. (Laughter.)
Mr. C. TURNER : I take you at your word. He did not
not say there was a motive, but that there must be a
motive. (Laughter ) Was that no insinuation ? (Hear,
beer.) It meant that I was afraid of something coming
out between this and Saturday which would endanger my
re-election. Ido not solicit my re-election, hut Ido ask
that the question may be d.cidel this day. (Hear, hear )
Mr. Alderman S. HOLM'S said, that having moved the
adjournmemt of the Council on Wednesday, it was neces-
sary that he should give some explanation of the reason
which indaced him to do so. He begged to say that Mr.
Turner laboured under a great misapprehension if he
supposed for one moment that it was hostility to him
which caused him to move the adjournment--(hear, hear)
—and, although he had not time to read fully the pro-
ceedings after he (Mr. Holm() left the Council, yet he
did regret to see that Mr. Turner bad made use of the term
" political," beciuse, so far as he (Mr. Wilme) was
concerned, Mr. Turner must hive been aware that he had
been one of his strongest supporters. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. TURNER : I withdraw the term.
Mr. Alderman IloLstu continued—fie took a higher
view of the question. He had been in London four times
on the matter. He was aware of the great difficulties
which the deputation had to encounter. He knew that an
immens.; sum of money was involved in the arrangement ;
he knew that the negociation had arrived at A crisis, and
he knew also, that it was most important that nothing
should occur which might impede the labours of the
gentlemen who were working night and day in their
behalf iu London. It was on that account that he was
desirous they should have no discussion, and it was, there-
fore, he moved the adjournment to Saturday. When he
entered the room he suggested to Mr. Turner that they
should have no council, and he'much regretted that that
gentleman tcok a different view of the question. He
regretted that Mr. Turner considered it a personal
matter, but be sympathised with hiin is his desire to
stand well with his fellow-townsmen. The deire
for an adjournment originated in no personal motive
but in a sense of public duty—(hear, hear) —but the
discussion which they deprecated having taken peace,
and the mischief having been done, he felt now that it
was better to go on with the business. He should repeat
again that he had no motive for the adjournment, and he
desired it, in the first instance, simply on public grounds.
Mr. TYRER said that when the deputation in London,
of which he was one, telegqyhed that there should be no
Council, it was not for the purpose of avoiding the election
of the dock membere,—(hear, hear)—bat to avoid any
discussion taking place on the Conservancy Bill. When,
however, they heard in London that a discussion had taken
place, they then considered it was better it should go on.
He accordingly came down from London, and the other
members would have come down also, were it not that the
Town
.Clerk. wished they should stay in London, as certain
propositions were made which would require their
presence.
Mr. J. 11.: JEFFERY said he was satisfied that if the
gentlemen in London ware aware of all that took place in
the Council en Wednesday, and were not dependent for
their information on a telegraphic message, they would at
once say, " Cease your discussions as speedily as possible:
(Hear, bear.) D./ not g) on, becalse damage must neces-
sarily ensue." (Hear, hear.) He would not yet be
tempted to go into details. He shrunk from the responsi-
bility, and nothing would provoke him to it bat a per-
sistence in the course which had that day been com-
menced. (Hear, hear.) He bad no desire to be personal
to Mr. Turner. He desired to speak of him in his public
capacity, as a member of the Council, and as a dock
chairman, and he begged of Mr. Turner to view his
remarks in that light. They saw the pertinacity with
which Mr. Turner adhered to his opinion ; and the
opponents of the Corporation knew perfectly well that Mr.
Turner was opposed to any uegeeiation whatever. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. C. TURNER : That is not true. (Hear, Bear.)
Mr. Alderman DOVER thought Mr. Turner should 1
use such language.
Mr, JEFFERY continued : He knew Mr. Turner eieant