Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-24 00:00:00

THE NORTHERN TIMES, THURSDAY,MARCH 2 1859

murder against the prisoners could not be maintained, as
there was nothing to show that the attack was made with
malice afdrethought, and, therefore, all they would have
to consider was, whether the prisoners were guilty
of manslaughter. The jury considered for a few
moments and returned a verdict of manslaughter againit
the three prisoners, William Owens, Thomas -Owens, and
Daniel Johnston. His Lordship, in passing sentence,
animadverted upon the conduct of William Owens especially,
who, he thought, had induced the other prisoners in ill-
using the deceased. The case of the latter was very trifling
indeed compared with that of William Owens, who seems
to have treated the deceased as he did in a vindictive feeling,
and in revenge for a fancied injury. The sentence of the
Court was, that William Owens be kept in penal servitude
for a period of three years, and that Thomas Owens and
Daniel Johnston be imprisoned in the House of Correction
and kept to hard labour for six calendar months.
CHARGE OF MURDER AGAINST THE

in which they were tied had been recently opened. I there-
upon took possession of all the voting papers, have since
retained them, and.at this time have them in the board-
room, awaiting the direction of the guardians as to their
future custody.
" I may state, in passing, that the guardians are required,
by order of the Poor-law Board, to preserve the voting
papers two years at the least.
With reference to the impropriety of the proceedings I
have thus related, so far as it affects the board, it is not in
my province to speak ; but I consider that I have personally
just cause to complain of it as an act which, had it not been
discovered, might have led to conseqaences which wouldhave
entailed serions blame, if not disgrace, on myself as your
clerk ; and I trust that, should hereafter any of the papers
referred to be either missing, mutilated, or altered, I shall
not be held responsible.—l am, gentlemen, your obedient
servant, " CLEAVER.
" Boaid-room, March 24, 1859."
Mr. Moss: I hope the gentlemen who are implicated in this
matter will give an explanation.
The Chairman : You are assuming that members of this
board have committed this felony. Istow, Ido hope that
' none of them wonld do snch a thing, and I hope Mr. Moss
will not identify such a proceeding with the members of this
board. I will protect them from anything of the kind.
Mr. Moss : I don't think they want your protection, and
I have no doubt that they will come forward and state
their reasons for doing so. lam not conversant with the
transaction. I think after the very proper remarks of Mr.
Cleaver no member will refuse to give what he knows of
the matter, and I think it necessary that they should.
The Chairman : I think it ;was very proper for Mr.
Cleaver to bring this matter before the board.
Mr. Harrison : Whose property should these voting papas
ho considered.
Mr. Cleaver : The Guardians.

Mr John Wilson: I know something about this matter,
and Phave heard it stated by the Overseers that they have
a right of access to any pavers in . this building, and no
room or place should be loc-ked against them. It appears
that the first hatch of voting papers were in the hands of
Mr. Avison, and it was a disputed point who should have
rossession of the first batch of voting papers. As to the
overseers having looked into this rooni I know something
of it, and lam not ashamed to acknowledge it. lam not
a "felon," and I think the n ori "felon," as used by
the chairman, was uncalled for (hear).
The Chairman : I think it is a felony to break a lock.
Mr. Moss: With a felonous intent.
The Chairman : Of course.
Mr. Moss : Just so.
Mr. Wilson : I don't see the use of me speaking with
this interruption.
The Chairman : Gentlemen, will you hear Mr. Wilson.
It is but right you should hear him, as he is implicated in
this disgraceful transaction.
Mr. Wilson : Some time ago I was hinted that a certain
quantity of voting papers had been abstracted out of the
first batch. A certain printer was asked about the matter,
and he stated to have sent several more than was ordered
to a place which he would not name. This work was said
to be done at improper hours. All this was heard by the.
overseers, and they thought it well to have a peep at these
papers. They did look in at them, and the papers were
all put back into their place, and the closet locked. In a
few days after other parties come and break the lock to get
into the cupboard, and then they insist that it was open.
Mr. Cleaver : I am prepared to swear it, sir.
Mr. Wilson : Well, well. The papers were put back
and the doors locked on them, and there was no harm done
to them, I will swear that. If any person got in on the
Sunday—lf any person got in, I say, we cannot help that.
I am told that there was a man at work in the room abode
is for the half of the day last Snnday. Talk of breaking
locks ; I have had a locksmith half a day in the
Church breaking locks. (Laughter.) I don't see
that I have much more to say, but I will say that I was
one of the three overseers that were there on that day, and
the papers were put back into the room, and it was locked:
Mr. Harrison : Will you give us the names of the other
overseers ?
Mr. Henry Layland : I will give my testimony to the
statement being correct that the door was locked.
The Chairman : I think if the gentlemen wanted to have
seen those papers they should have named it to this board,
and I am sure the board would not have objected.
The Chairman : I think that is one point on which we
would have taken the respoisibility to concede to the request,
had it- been made. We are responsible to the Poor-law
Board for the safe keeping of these papers.
Mr. Harrison : I think Mr. Cleaver very right, and must
say that the course he has taken is the proper one in this
matter. I have asked Mr. Wilson who were there, and I
have got no answer. I now ask in this way—Were you
there Mr. Johns? You—

The Chairman : I cannot allow you to ask the gentlemen
in that way.

Mr. Harrison : I ask in this way, because he is not
4„ +Oll who were there. The law says—
and I suppose that is the reason he won t spear out—guar any
man that is guilty of forging any of these papers is
guilty of misdemeanor, and may be punished by incarcera-
tion for a considerable time. I will mention that had they
wanted any such inspection of those papers, it would have
been fair to have applied to the board ; but as we can do
nothing now, I move that a committee of this board be
appointed to examine the papers, and find if there be any
irregularity in them. I move; then, that Messrs. Johnson,
Johns, Grindrod, Rogers, and J. B. Hughes, form the coin-
mitt, e for the purpose I have named.
Mr. Grindrod seconded the motion, and said, I am much
pleased by the way in which Mr. Cleaver has brought the
matter before the board. I cannot conceive how any man
had a right to open the lock of that press. I suppose if Mr.
Cleaver had been applied to he would not have refused the
key. But, with regard to the overseers that were present,
I think that could be found out. Mr. Wilson has told us
that it was the overseers for the time being. Now I had
the honour to be an overseer, and I was not there. It must
have been Joseph Wilson, Henry Layland, and J. D. Carter.
I say this that I may protect myself.
Mr. Rtynes ; Put John Wilson on the committee.
Mr. Harrison ; He is a party man, and I have avoided
that as far as possible.
Mr. Moss: This matter has been called feloneous and
disgraceful by our chairman. I think these words should
not have been uttered till the charges had been strengthened
by proof. I certainly will not have the matter smothered
by a committee of this board. A committee of gentlemen
who may have their feelings prejudiced in the matter. I
believe that Mr. Cleaver has acted the part of a gentleman ;
but I think if he had given notice of what he intended to do,
it would have been better ; and I dare say Mr. Wilson was
not quite so well prepared as he would have been had be
known ill's matter was coming up. That, however, I need
not mention. I may say that I heard it represented that
there has been a grave suspicion for some time that there
was some tampering with these voting papers,
and I have also heard it stated, and I will
go so far as to say, that a printer did not deny it, when
asked about the matter. Individually I know nothing ;
bat I think it a matter of consequence to the members of
this board and to the public. I shall therefore move that
Mr. Cleaver's statement of the matter, and Mr. Wilson's
reply, be sent to the Poor Law Board, and that they send
down a competent person to examine into this matter. Let
us call upon the powers above to send down a proper

person.
Mr. Rogers : The powers that he. (Laughter.)
Mr. Moss : Come, now, Mr. Monosyllable, let us have no
more of your interruption. I very often hear that much
from you, and no mon. I will move that Mr. Cleaver's
statement, and Mr. Wilson's reply, be sent to the Poor-law
Board, as I have already said. We have not the power, as
a committee, to get the necessary information, and the Poor-
law; Board can compel it.
The Chairman : We don't delegate our power to the com-
mittee, but merely that they should report to the board on
the subject. _ _

Mr. -Rogers : I will second the amendment proposed by
Mr. Moss, for I suppose it is an amendnient. I think it
would be well to have the matter referred to the people in
London. lam very sorry to hear such statements made, if
there be truth in them, which I think there is, or they
would not have been made.

Mr. Siddeley : I will vote for committee at once. lam
met by people outside, who are talking about certain
matters which are going on with us that should not be, and
I want to stand before the pnblic in a proper light.
Mr. Hughes : I will support the motion by Mr. Harrison
for, committee. I say we cannot tell, when they met
themselves, and no. one with• them, whether papers have
been put in or abstracted.
Mr. Wilson : That'S our business.
Mr. Hughes : You should have brought it before the
board.
Mr. Johnson : Can a committee of this board have the
privilege of calling witnesses.
Mr. Moss : Not for a felonious crime.
Mr. Wilson : Had this been a misdemeanor or a felony,
your humble servant would not have been here to-day, as
enquiry has been made.
Mr. Henry Layland said Mr. Johns was implicated, and
if they talked of picking locks and charges 'of felO4r; let it
be general. • - •
Mr. Cleaver said, when he heard of the picking of the
locks, he wascgoing up the street to inform them of it, when
he /net •Mr. Johns- and Mr.;Sidddey, ,who were gaingte his
• office . on' the same errand, to :see the state-of tho office •
He • asked the caretaker where the key lya.S, and,
she ;told him that she • had given , 'to Mr..
Joseph Wilson ; that he_ got ,the, ,keys on the •Satur-
day, and .she had not seen them since. Mr, I.3rnett
'was asked about the matter, and he said ,he saw thp,
•
everieers' in, but. all ' the harm was done when he saw
them. They sent for the keys to Mr. Joseph Wilson,,but -
ha :would not send them. They then sent for a locksmith,.

WEST DERBY GUARDIANS.

The usual weekly meeting of this board, was held yester-
day, Mr. Whitby in the chair. The other guardians
present were—Messrs. Ledger, Kirkus, Shaw, IVensley,
Abrahams' Stone, Roberts, Taylor, Parkin, Smith, I.
Edwards, Medcalf, Woods, Mawdsley, and Sagar.
The following cheques were grapted for outdoor relief :
Mr. Potts, 43110 ; Mr. Olney, £36 ; and Mr. Lythgoe, £2O.
The Governor reported that the number of paupers in the
establishment last week, was 650 ; admitted since, 14 ; dis-
charged, 14. Number this week, 650 ; of whom 362 belong
to Toxteth Park ; number in the corresponding week of last
year, 714.
It was reported that the number of sick inmates in the
hospital this week was 508 ; number in the corresponding
week of last year, 127. •
Mr. Kirkus, in accordance with a notice of motion, moved
that Mr. Lynch be appointed as successor to Mr. Chalmers,
medical officer for the township of Everton. `Mr. Lynch
had been performing the duties in connection with Mr.
Chalmers for the last eight years, and had gained the
esteem of the ratepayers and of the poor, and was very
attentive to his duties.

Mr. Ledger seconded the resolution, and bore testimon
to the good character of Mr. Lynch.
Messrs. Abrahams, Stone, Roberts, and Shaw, also bore
testimony to his good character..
The motion was passed unanimously.
The proceedings of the visiting committee were read, and
they contained a recommendation to lay the whole circum-
stances of the.case in reference to the appointment of Mr.
Moore, the book and gatekeeper, before the Poor-law
Board, and to ask them to reconsider the 'Matter.
Mr. Kirkus, who read the minutes, moved that this be
done.
Mr. Ledger seconded the motion.
M. Smith said* had a motion to make, of which he
had given notice last week—" That James Camidge, the
pauper officer now assisting the gate and book-
keeper, be appointed as porter instead of Moore,
at a salary of £l2 per annum, with second class
, rations.". Mr. Smith alluded to the faithful and active
manner this man had performed the duties in his present
position, and argued that it would meet the wishes of
the Poor-law board, as they had refused to sanction the
appointment of Moore.
Mr. I. Edwards seconded the motion, and said it was
perfect nonsense to send the matter up again before the
Poor-law board, as they had already considered it two
or three times, and refused to sanction the appointment
of Moore. He fancied Mr. Kirkus took a delighf in
writing and speaking against Poor-law boards.
Mr. Kirkus said he would move an amendment, that no
appointment of porter take place at the workhouse. He
did so for this reason : That that board had appointed Mr.
Moore as assistant master and porter, and he hoped they
would neither follow Mr. Edwards nor him in his writing
to the Poor law Board, in what they did in this matter. Mr.
_ _

M

Smith and Mr. Edwards were sticking to a rotten reed.
Mr. Edwards has said it was nonsense to write again to the
Poor-law Board ; but he ought to remember when he wrote,
and wrote, and wrote again to the Poor-law Board for an
inspector to investigate the charges against Mr.
Kennedy and Miss Korn, and the Poor-law
Board wrote down again asking them what they
had done themselves in the matter. They were not auto-
matons, and they should take such steps as to give the board
some ground on which to-act
Mr. Smith asked what this had to do with his motion.
From Mr. Smith's deafness, he appeared to have misappre-
hended what Mr. Kirkus was speaking about, and after
speaking for some time he was called to order.
Mr. Kirkus said the effect of his amendment was that
there was no necessity for a porter, and if there was such
a necessity, Camidge was not the proper person.
Mr. Smith again interrupted, and was called to order.
Mr. Kirkus said it was really too bad for persons to come
into that room to speak of a thing which they knew nothing
it WWI ate), natt tiIALUICU. was a perfect
absurdity, and they were held up to ridicule for the way
which they disposed of their business at that board. He
had suffered very much, and was brought into ridicule by
persons at that board, who never knew discretion, common
sense, or courtesy.
The Chairman : These remarks are uncalled for.

Mr. Kirkus said, in objecting to the appointment of
Camidge, he was fully satisfied that when the circumstance
of the case was laid before the Poor Law Board, they would
sanction the appointment of Moore as assistant master and
porter.

- Mr. Smith asked the clerk if Moore had been appointed.
The Clerk said, it was not confirmed.
In reply to Mr. Kirkus,
The Clerk said Mr. Moore was regularly appointed.
The Chairman, being confirmed by the clerk, said there
was no legal appointment.
Mr. Kirkus was again proceeding with his remarks,
when

Mr Smith called upon the chairman to overrule Mr.
Kirkus making any longer speech, which he considered was
out of order. He said he was speaking intermediately, and
boasted of standing on his feet till he put down all
opposition.
Mr. Kirkus said, he was only doing that which Mr.
Smith done in his younger and more energetic days.
Mr. I. Edwards : It is perfect nonsense ; you get up
there, and talk for an hour. I think, Mr. Chairman, you
should not listen to such a thing.
Mr. Bolshaw : You should not let Mr. Kirkus go on in
this way.

The Chairman ruled that Mr. Kirkus was perfeetly in
order, and Mr. Kirkus then sat down.

Mr. Ledger said there was no necessity for all this non-
sense, and ho hoped that the next election would return
guardians who were not so noisy. It was, he said, per-
fectly true, that the Poor-law Board had some objec-
tions to the appointment of Mr. Moore, because they
did not understand the merits of the case, and the
visiting committee had recommended that the whole case
should be left before them, and when this was done he had
not the least doubt that the Poor Law Board would recom-
mend that the appointment of Camidge was unnecessary,
and a waste of public money. He could not help expressing
his surprise at gentlemen who were sticklers for economy
proposing such an appointment, and voting away a sum of
money totally unnecessary. He agreed with Mr. Smith
that Camidge was very attentive to his duties, but it was
a very bad principle to appoint paupers at a salary. Paupers
were obliged to work while in the house, and entering the
names at the gate was a more pleasant employment than
picking oakum. He, therefore, thought they ought not to
appoint a man at a salary of £l2 a year when he was doing the
work for nothing. It was throwing so much money away.
They were now paying £72 a year to a bookkeeper, and not
£BO, as was paid to Kennedy, but if they gave Camidge
£2O, counting the difference in the rations, it would make
£92, £l2 more than Kennedy was paid. It was a perfect
waste of the ratepayers money, and he was surprised at
Mr. Smith, who was such a stickler for economy, proposing
such a motion. Mr. Smith professed obedience to the
Poor Law Board.

Mr. Smith : In this case I do. (Laughter.)
Mr. Ledger then read the following extracts from a
pamphlet by Mr. Smith,—(amidst great laughter) :

- • -
I close my case against the Poor-law Commissioners and their
returns, which returns and reports I have deliberately stigmatised
as having been habitually and purposely falsely fabricated. .
Faith, I would have taught you all better, had I been King
William, to whom you made your report. I would have taught
you to beware how you vilified my people ; that people who fed
and clothed, and sheltered both you and me; and on whom I must
rely, and might safely too ,if they were but treated with tolerable
fairness ; on whom I must rely for the preservation of my kingdom,
and the safety of my person. Faith, I would have given you a
lesson.

Mr. Smith explained that the men on the Poor-law
Board now were not the then commissioners, who stunk in
the nostrils of the nation, and the name of the institution
had to be changed in consequence to that of the Poor-law
Board. As to economy, he would remark that there was no
such sum paid for an assistant master when Mr. Lythgoe
was head master of the workhouse, and he had more people
to look after. He would not give £BO to keep books which
Mr. Gough ought, and was bound by the orders of the
Poor-law Board, to keep. If the Poor-law Board thought
Mr. Gough ought to have an assistant to keep the books,
they' might take that into consideration afterwards. As to
this office of porter, he would remark that it was to those
who:did not partake of the festivities of that establishment,
it expenie of the poor rates, that this office was one of
gie4 importance—it was the key to the establishment, He
• ought to be a'rnan who, mild be relied on that, should be
placed theme:' flow Was it that they just digaissed the man
)019 thetput in for the purpose of I)eini?, both bookkeeper
and keeper of accono4s,,,an4 gatekeeper, ansl having the keys
of the house in his •PoWs.s?iiiill.
them purpose he was sufl:erod. . lougi,a4: he sernd
to hold on ; but when
the plate becamei.nyelTe4 W celtttin irregulitriti esp. ',Ja which

he had but a minor share, he was bought up!
sum was paid to him out of the union. This itun.4ol,
sent in his resignation several weeks before it was rem
for this clique dare not receive it, for if they did theyd"iiie
threatened to be exposed by this very man. Re r nofictd
resignation several weeks on the file before it was to/
at the board. Those who had drink and the choe •
olc_soaid
and4ilgrgeds4
food at the establishment required a man there WilhWthEi
admit them at all times. This was the reason %loot
fought about this trifling place so much. It was, be
of
the keys of the doors and the gates were in the nahethe
this man. That was the question to decide, andi,
that board should be in the hands of honest guartdart; kept
Mr. Ledger said Mr. Smith was the very man oraot
the keys. He thought they ought to send for the Gore 10
to inquire about these keys, for he did not think the
a wod of truth in what was stated by Mr. Smith.
_ow
Mrr. Kirkus called up the Clerk to state the relen fot
Mr. Kennedy's resignation was not accepted ill
instance ? were 0111,001
The Clerk said that it was because there
charges of misconduct against Mr. Kennedy, and the
esigir
did not think They would'be right in accepting the r
tion, until these -charges were investigated.
Mr. Kirkus : Then Mr. Smith has been g
of lies from beginning to end. date 0
Mr. Shaw : No, he has not. He said the clique
receive it, and that I believe is true. „„/ of
Mr. Kirkus : I say he has been issuing a t'R-A-eriliv
from beginning to end, and if he was not old
would say much more.
Mr. I. Edwards : I believe it is perfectly true. feral°
Mr. Shaw, after referring to the proceedings in, rio'njuiP
to the appointment of gate-keeper, expressed 1115 450
that Mr. Kennedy was bought of. That ons„'"gooe;
conviction, With regard to the appointment ~°`, wottl"
it was done under circumstances which Mr. 1C1**11*"
not do over again. d it);
Mr. Kirkus : I know what I would not do if T --111,3(1.i
do over again. I would not' appoint your father
if
to do over again. . eed Pr'
Mr. Shaw thought these remarks were uneu. llis
They would not, however, deter him from e%Pre,.-
tifle 17,1
opinion, and he did think Kennedy was got out 01, ore ,
quietly. It was stated publicly in the presence Of n,
officers, that an inspector would not come de! 000l''
Kennedy got off. He thought' it bore a very suspicous.
He did not agree with appointing paupers to office; tbe
he thought there might be an exception in this ense'o,lo
man was outside of the house. He thought it_."..agj
to send the matter again up to the Poor Law Dor,: OAP'
Mr. Ledger said, he would give notice of 00,14te
if Mr. Smith's motion be carried, Camidge should "'"
per week. ea they 4
The motion was then put to the vote, edca,"
appeared—For : Messrs. Shaw, Richmond, , Tt'oisha_
Roscoe, Mawdsley, Smith, I. Edwards, Taylor, and 'Deg"
Against : Messrs. Stone, Woods, Kirkus, Sage,
Wensley, Roberts, Parkin, and Abraham. on
The votes being equal, the chairman, gave the
vote in favour of the motion, and it was ace°
declared carried. 10-
Mr. Smith then moved the following resolution 444
this board of guardians cannot separate without red' policl
its satisfaction and its due appreciation of the soul filial t)
of the Poor-law Board, as evinced by its repeated reoel
sanction the several attempts recently made, by an °;gter°,lll
minority of this board, to re-impose the PreNeer
appointment, in one person, of assistant-master, boo'''
and gate-keeper."
Mr. Taylor seconded the motion.
Mr. Ledger : Could not you put' a little more P
into that motion ? tdtY
The Chairman asked if there was any objection
motion.
Mr. Kirkus said, of course there was. He 115- oar
understood that, at a. meeting of that board,
ought to be present, and that whatever was done by sw-010.11$
of the guardians assembled at each weekly meeting selnq
by a majority of that board, and, therefore, that retenetst
would carry. upon it a most deliberate and false stgeji
ib
He had maintained, and he had always maintidliniatata
that board had over and over again carried the aPP"
of assistant master and porter with a majority of theiiicli'
bo
though he had that day reversed it by the votes if
had trumped up.
Mr. Taylor : How many have you trumped up
all the gL,jorl
Mr. Kirkus : I have not trumped up any.
Mr. Ledger said the divisidn was 9to 9 ; and. b3t
had said, in his long speech with his resolution, ' eat re
t
would reconcile them, and they would have peace' ban tb
never in his life heard a more insulting resolution efif
proposed by Mr. Smith. It was a censure of the i°berl4l;
on the other nine—the one half insulting the e`i., ifIL;
He hoped Mr. Smith would have the good sens,
draw his motion. It was the most 'ridiculous and
thing ever was proposed. •
Kirkus said, when he mentioned " trim:lll4l
alluded to the fact that Mr. Richmond en
Ant ota
room when all the discussion was over-
grnift. i, ;
w nat way aetde
and Mr. Richmond accordingly voted for Atr,';,,as tye
motion. If that was the way country guarnre
made tools of the sooner the board would tugs,i-s. '11;01
better. They were nothing better than automnt°4o-
were hokect upon ini7Australia----in Van 1),.ie„1/3:st°ctie
as they were in their own country,
there— alto as a lair d' on"
Mr. Taylor : Because they see youn'
hill you know. Aire
vita
Mr. Smith's motion was then put to the vo'c',3ll`"
were seven for and seven against. The chairtnan,..„llg. tits
casting vote against it, saying it was rather toes7ie en
Mr. Shaw moved a resolution, e-xpik.ssing ";,,-•ch Yit'e
satisfaction of the board, at the manner in -4.lforA."'
Chalmers performed his duties as medical attendau'ffeetr,
township of Everton, for the last twenty yew, 100-0
re „lip,
on him the highest honours as regarded prol'essione„vaDto
and entitling him to the cordial thanks of the g",;tion
and ratepayers especially, for his kindness and atte" t
the poor. lat
Mr. Stone seconded the resolution, which Wag
and carried unanimously. h in et
Mr. Kirkus : Such a compliment will not be Ocoee-
favour from such a body, as exhibited from their
that day.
Mr. Shaw : It is a compliment that is due to hi'll.iottll4'
Mr. Kirkus :Itis a compliment by a lot oft act
supply the other word if you like. h 05r 1,
A letter was read from the Poor-law Board he
to the appointment of Mr. Hall, as master of thealidi is
The board were still of the opinion that the
~goeetr,7l
could not make a legal appointment of masterl gear,
accordance with the terms of article 187 of illeboarir
consolidation order. Under the circumstaneesl,„oo"-
the board did not offer any Objection to the 9-
wso
appointment of Mr. Hall,
,at £5O per annum. wo°e' e;ra
Mr. Kirkus said the board were there sancti, c)r: yll_,lis
they themselves admitted was not legal ; and yet -debre'"
it said by a prersOn who was brought up, born all life• re
connection with paupers, and led almost a pauper'svi
Mr. Shaw objected to these remarks. He said t elus'
made for apurpose, and he knew what that purposeroin•
The Chairman called on Mr. Kirkus to refrain, ,fpahe
remarks. Mr. Kirkus complained of the board ot
orderly, but no wonder when he got on in this ism
Mr. Taylor : He will be at personal critic'
keep from it. ;
Mr. Kirkus said there appeared to be an impretst,°o;
he would not like to go forth to the Puy -a bred
he meant to say was that Mr. Shaw was born n't„ to le
connexion with parish matters. He did not 1116701
that he was born a pauper, or was now a PauPe
trusted he never would be.
Mr. Taylor : That's a pauper's speech, I thing; eg°<aelo
Mr. I. Edwards : Mr. Kirkus said a few In
(a roar of laughter drowned the remainder of the serog
and Mr. Kirkus rose and objected to any further
°
being
The ma
attede, as he had exlned.)
r then droppedp
,and this concluded the siner

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

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PROGRAMME OF BIRMINGSAg -4
SECOND DAY—THURSDAY, MAitca 2.'"ch, o:telia
The SELLING STEEPLE CHASE STAKES of 5 sov7. each,
1',0,01
20 added • four year olds 11 st, five 12 st, 95 ke.; '
12 st 7 11;; the winner to be sold for 100 sovs.;
' 5
miles. To close and name on Tuesday. ,s of
The HUNT CuP of 50 SOTS , added to a SweePsta y.-
rer-ar
tea
sovs. each, for all horses that have be st° is
hunted ; 11 st 7lb each ; horses never havolf. a atcefb,
in any. steeple chase allowed 7lb ; Nvinvlrstrrica_ltofs•
chase in 1858 or 1859, value 30 sovs., 71b+ "f 200 "to;
or any handicap steeple chase of the value °,O lb 0 10
28 lb extra ; gentlemen riders, professionals ' to pal
the second to save his stake, and the winner
sovs. towards expenses; three miles.
nn
Truth; Mi a 11l
5 yrs Whaley, aged
Zouave, 5. yrs Heads or Tails 5 yrs ----,masterd
Gipsy King, aged Cliff Pigeon. 6 s lah u sg-
nandY 5 .
Border Chief, aged Premier ' yrs 01 31 'O.
Little Treasure (h b) a ft ; tlc° $133
The SCURRY HANDICAP 13f 10 sovs each, 3
0. at Tillie'
To close and name t,:n. Wednesday evealno
added
weights published at 20 SOO, tra
,f - ~ e% .
The EittuNeyoN P
.„. /TEEPLE CHASE PLATE u.
ers 7p, ii P.
eleven.
to,. a Free waidicap of 3 sovs each ; /11/.1 bed 3.fare
• anti! vl fel
Orkousta , Ad' „,,,
May Day aged chelna"-.1 1 '.....
Sting, • aged
two miles and a half. Weights to be
aged ~ ' Maria Agnes. aged ii.nlician, 3
,T(Tr f, 5 yrs. .-, .. Headsor Tails, 5 yrs physic 1,35 S
is .sham. aged Johnny Docta,e cored
or
'ltircfly, s.yrs Antic, 5 yrs 1 The gage'
1
Sportsman, aged ' I Mahlratta, aged yottag
Harry'of Hereford a Boadicea, aged
. . publis