Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-08-11 00:00:00

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Florence Nightingale's maimscript.papers on, the
of Hospitals," which were read at the second annual mei
intr of the National Association for the Promotion, of Socia
Science ; also, proposed regulatiom for the management of tia
Parks and Botanic Garricns: and a rocnnonond.tini, *ha+ .

pavilion should be erected in Wavertree Park, at a cosi
exceeding £l5O.

recommendation,_ drew attention,. to the great numi
stated that sineA

visited the Way

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band was introduced - into the park other bands had corn
and played gratuitously ; but a gr' inconvenic
for the want of a- suitable plattbrm on which
stand and arrange their. instruments and
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case, that_ some such p'rovision I

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Flew. 11.1. UCeli mau.e oy tee surveyor for a pavilion, Whic
was not to exceed £l5O, and he hoped the council woul
confirm the recommendation. .

The motion was seconded by Mr.-Ryley, and carried, anc
the general proceedings were then confirmed.

The proceedings of this committee contained a resolution
agreeing to supply the fountains within the dock yard!
with water gratuitously.. The chairman, Mr. Hodson, after
moving the confirmation of the proceedings, expressed hi;

aissent irom the resolution referrer
account of the cost, as that was oxly a matte. a „u,
a year, but as to the principle, Whether the committ
obtained this water at a very great cost, should sul
extraneous body like the Dock Board with watt
tuitouslv.

to, not

Mr. ItyrEy moved that the resolution be rescinded,
At this juncture of the proocodings, the MAyo'r
was obliged to preside at a meeting of the At_
T.raph Company at two, o'clock, and some one, therefore,
Mr. Alderman J. A. Turner

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lave to take his place
was called to the ch2ir.
Mr. CRELLIN seconded the motion of Mr. Ryley.
Mr. FARNWORTH and Mr.. S. IloLmr.. opposed the
motion. During Mr. llolme's.'remarks, he was interrupted
several times 'Mt Mr_ linnir with whrs

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tter from

Mr. Hol
Beckwith
Mr. BECKWITH
(Laughter.)
Mr. HoLin contended that. these fountains were for the
benefit of the public at large, and not for the benefit of the
men in the employ of the Dock Board.

We are equally well-bred, I think

After some further discussion,V vµ
Mr. CHARLES TURNER said, the docks were to all intents
and purposes public, and it was for the •use of the public
alone that'the Dock Trust erected these fountains.
Mr. GLADSTONE said there was a marked distinction

oetween that corporation and the Dock Board. The cOr-
paration represented the masses of , society. He contended.
they should be just before they were generous. The Water

~,A..unt.ce were largely in debt, and this year they would
be something like £1.5,000 short. It appeared to him
monstrous for the Dock Board to call upon the Water
Committee to supply this Water gratuitously. There was
another and more cogent reason still. He had been told
that very day that practically the Dock Board stood
indebted, to the corporation £500,000 ; and was the Dock
Board to come there in forma pauperis, and beg a supply of
water ? If this statement were correct, they should not
entertain this project for a moment, and the Dock Board
were most inconsistent in 'coming:there to beg for a supply
of water 'to the extent of £42 a-year.

Mr. SHAND said. the remarks a Mr. Gladstone were quite
inapFropriate, as he, was quite sure there was no money due
by the Dock Board to the corporation.
Mr. JEFFERY spoke at some. length against granting the
supply of water gratuitously.
Mr. PICTON said the water- for Melly's fountains was
paid for out of the 2d. rate, and the water supplied to the
fountains in the out-townships was paid to those out-town-
ships. Such being the fact, he asked the Town-clerk
whether, in their insolvent condition, they had a right to
give water gratuitously.
The TOWN-CLERK said, without reference to the insol-
vency at all, they had no right to give away water. He
had no right to interfere in the debates of that council, of
course, but he considered the gentlemen were making a mis-
take .as to these fountains being open to the public. The
Dock Board had the power at any time to close the gates of
the estate.
Mr. TURNER asked whether the Water Committee had
not a right to supply water to these fountains to the same
extent as Melly's fountains.

Not unless th 4 are open, to the

The TOWN-CLERK
public.
Mr. TURNER : Practically . they are open to. the public.
He asked the Town-clerk how it was that the corporation
supplied the water-troughs to animals.
The TOWN-CLERK s9id there was a special clause in the
act of Parliament beanng on these.
Mr. TURNER: We don't pay:for it.
The Towx-CLERK: Nor do the Dock Board use it.
(Laughter.) The Town-clerk explained that, as it might
appear inconsistent in him giving
,such an opinion there, he
would state that he was not present at the Water Commit-
tee when the resolution was passed, or he would have ad-
vised that they cannot legally pass such a resolution. He
might say, as to the Mersey
'Board erecting these foun-
tains, if they were not for the benefit of their estate, what
business had they in erecting them—(hear, hear)—and if
they were for the benefit of the public, why not pay for
the water. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Mr. TURNER asked the Town-clerk if the warehouses
were not rated.
The TOWN-CLERK : Yes.

Mr. Tintit.-7-Then could they not erect fountains on
the road to them ?
The TowN-CLERK : That did not follow.
Mr. TURNER : They being rated?
The TOW ,N-CLERK : Not the road to them,
- Mr. TURNER was proceeding to put some more questioni;
when the council became clamorous in calling Mr. Turner
to order.
SILEII, : - Great men will ruu out of order,

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