Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-05-27 00:00:00

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VESTRY MEETING AT g71",37, DERBY. more in accordance withtldstkr,-.prineiiiic,:s to do so. He
Yesterday morning, a vestry meetina of the ratepayers'ef could not se why one 'body oe penple'vrtre obliged to pay
t'se township of Wed Derby was t elfin the palish clueneh for the support of the estaleiehment,nnd build and support
in that village, in accordance sviila public notice posted on their own .churches=lsesides.
the ehurchedoots The proceedings were formally upened The Chairman-mid, as the entarelrewdens had deemed it
in the vestry-room, bat was afterwards adjourned to the necessary to propose the foregeingeresolution, he had not it
church, for convenience sake. The Rev. John 'Stewart, in his power to put any amessidnieilt to it, bat they could
rector, occupied the chair, and at the commencement of the negative it, and then dema,:ada-pell.
business proceeded to read the notice callingthe meeting, Mr. Brown said, he thought the amendment was a
it - follows;—decided negative to the ..erigirral ,motion. It was making a
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Notice is hereby given, that a Special Vestry "electing of the distinction without a difference
bt Mr. Jones had taken a
said, •nizebrook she thoubr
Ratepiyers of the Towa hip of West Derby will be held at the Dr. G ' -
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Parish Church, West Derby Village, on Thursday next, the 26th veay short-sighted view ot- the me nter; He hadg nen three
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instant, at half-pm objections, and when le rejoiced that he was not a membeet niat o'clock in the forenoon, for the purpose
ef the Church of England, Are ihought everybody else was
of mesing a rate of (sae Halfpenny in the Pound, for and towards
Clara:fel too that he ants not,
defraying the neeessary expense to be incurred in the reps ir, due. Mr. Brown : I did. not +rear any one rejoice on that
support, and maiatentnce of the sail Chureh'for the present year, account.
ant to appoint the officers anl Servants of the Church ; and also -Mr. Jones rose teeeffer meenplariation, but the chairman
fer transacting such other business conneccl,-with the Parish as said lee was not in order.
anay then and thou be deemed proper. Dr. Clazebrook went •on -to say that, the parish •Church
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differed very materielly filen any one else, because it was a
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.ational church, and it was the duty of the parish to pro-
Mr. Jones thought their first ditty was to ascertain -what: ,•vide for a national church,-and, second, that it was a free
the real natzete of the meeting was,—whether an aeljnurneds church for the peaple, though some such people as himself
or a special meeting. The notice • called a special sneering,_ had a perfect right to bare select seats. That, however, did
but he believed it to he an adjourned meeting ; and if he not prevent plenty of accommodation, and he would ask any
was not right, he submitted thavelke minutes of the fermer parishioner, if eeser he .carne into the church without finding
meeting sistuld be read. . accommodation during-the hours of service. Thething was
The Che'irman said an adjotrrnment had been mentioned absurd, but what better -could be expected from anti-church-
at the last meeting, but he had no doubt that this meeting rate Jones. He was -just like art itinerant tinker, going
was called specially. However, as the minutes of the lest about calling "pots mid-kettles to mend:" (Oh, oh.)
meeting was not long, he wild ask one of the thuroh- The Chairman.: 'Oh! -stop these personal and bitter
wardensto read them. remarks.
The an7inutes were then rend, and it was stated by them Mr. Jones said, 'let 'him go on ; but, after some further
that the accounts were foundneerrect and passed, to 'which remarks, Dr. ,Glazebroek was called to order and he sat
Mr. Janes objected, alleging that suchwas not •a tree down. ,
minute of the proceedings. The Chairman then eelled upon Mr. Jones to make any
Mr.. 'Hodson replied that the accounts were :auditedeby explanation he might thick proper.
Mr. Shimmin, and said to lie correct, and they were passed Mr. Jones said the--speech which they had just heard was
a the meeting. one which very 'forcibly proved the truth of the old adage,
The Chairman seil he did not think that the meeting " Oh, save •me from my friends," and he was afraid the
was -called to consider that question, and they could-sot church-rate ivould be '•;.in more danger in the hands of her
take it up. own children than those of anyhidy else. Ha (lid not come
Some further statements were made in regard -to -this there as a representative of an anti-church-rate association,
mss, when and with rard to his being a tinker, he did not despise
The Chairman interposed, and said he could not ,anow the calling, -as many of the best men had been of that very
them to disc ass matters atethat meeting which did not-come trade which had been•nplied to him, but to which he did
before them, considering the purpose for which it-had been not belong.
call.d. A considerable deal -of further squabbling took place;
Mr. Churchwarden Radcliffe read the following estimate when Mr. Radcliffe moved, and Dr. Glazebrook seeonded,.
for the current year's expenses :—Clerk's salary -for the that they proceed-to aspoll.
year, £lB ; beadle's d0.,.£15 ; church-cleaner, £l2; sundries Some discussion nest ensued as to the manner and time!
for cleaning, £5 ; insurance, £22 lOs ; copying -church- pf polling- After a multitude of suggestions, the chairman,
rate, £l6 , hell-ringer, -£4 ; coals, £l4 ; wine, £7 ; water intimated that it-was his-duty to fix the time, and he would
beast, Li ss; bread for the sacrament, £1 is 8d ; painting and give theinevery reasonable opportunity. He ordered that
sundry repairs, £25 ; ways, £l5 ; lightning conductor, it be commenced at once, and kept open as long as necessary,
£2O ; visitation fees,-15s 4d ; incidental expenses, Le les ; two days being the prnbable length of time.
pririting, £3 ; stationery, £1 ; washing surplices, 11 6s; :accordingly the -votes were taken, but Mr. Stone pro—
copying certificates of 'baptism, £1 ; visiting clerk, £1 Is ; tested, thateas the rate-books were not at hand, the polling
door mats, £1 ; making a total of £lB7 9s. He did not could not beeonducted legally.
consider that they could•calculate with safety to theirlaving The Collector -said 'holed his collecting books, and they
a rate struck that would amount to less than £2OO. There would serve. The voting went on, notwithstanding sundry
were several things that had been left out of the estimate, protests as to the legality of the method adopted. ~
and only those put in that the vestry would surely sanction ; At a quarter to four o'clock, after a lapse of four hours
for instance, the maintenance of a choir had been left-eat, without a vote being-tendered, the chairman declared the
Mr. Haylock said, the Chairman might remember that poll closed.
when the accounts were put, he lead mentioned that they The following was-the state of the poll :
should first of all inquire whether it would be desirable to No. of persons. No. of votes.
raise a church-rate question. For the motion ..... . 48 .. 115
... The Chairman : This is not for this meeting; and you Against the motion 11 22
will be good enough to confine your remarks to the objects •
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for which we are met.
Mr. William Jones --stated that he had very great
Mr. Simpson : Pardon me, sir, but perhaps the gentleman pleasure in formally proposint, a vote of thanks to the
has a prepared speech in his pocket, and is anxious to chairman, for his very -able,
b impartial, and courteous
deliver it. (Laughter.)
conduct in the oTair; and he d the vestry, all :
Mr. Haylock said he was only about to ask if the chair- who knew him, knew he .-was not assurein the babit ofthat saying :
man had sent circulars, as he proposed doing, to some of the what he did net feel.
congregation, and if sostould they have a copy of it ? Mr. Richard Radcliffe seconded the motion, which was
The Chairman said, when the matter was talked about, ' carried unanimously.
luet &ad said he would be very happy to forward a circular to Some other trifling matters were attended to, and the
all the ratepayers, requesting them to pay all expenses meeting separated.
connected with the church itself, so that it would not
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he hoped it would receive a favourable answer. 0
'fir. Churchwarden Radcliffe said they had put nothing HOW TO .OTOP WA R
in the estimate but what the parish was bound to pay, and Put the Royal Reprobates in the front of the battle, and thew
they trusted to the congregation to pay for the choir. It let them do as Is;rman William proposed to Harold before
the battle of Hastings.
was the duty of every one of them to promote that rate, and
it was his duty especially, as a churchwarden, to insist that
they should furnish that rate, 1D
and he would bring GOOD MEICINE!
it forward, and show, if they did not do so, that they
were almost conspirers, f©r if they set the law CHEAP C01"FINS!!
at defiance, they were almost conspiring to defeat the law.
• They might as well say that they were not to have a high- AND •
way rate, as to say they would have no church-rate, and if VELLOW MUTTER!!!
a majority could bind a minority, they might go on to say I A very worthy old Lady has written to the Butterman—protest-
that they would have no more overseers, no more church- 1 tag against "the mixture as above," which has lately appeared in
wardens, and all their own way. -He then began to read the papers.
the lawfrom "Briddaux Churchwarden's Guide" The meaning is this—
amid Eat—or sell—my yellow Butter and you will not require either of
calls of —" what law book is that?" and " ,
hold your noise." the other articles.
He had got through a page or two, when those assembled
refused to listen to him further, and he was obliged to
stop. -
A DVICE TO JOHN BULL.
Mr. Brown said, he was quite willing to listen to any Keep your hands in 3-our pockets.
man, hut lee could not sit silent and allow any man to make You will find it do you good three ways :
use of the words that had been used by the churchwarden. First—'Twill soothe your wind;
It was absurd to expect that people would sit and be Second - 'Twill keep you from fighting ' • • .
insulted by such language as that used by M Third—'Twill prevent the Continental -thieves
r. Radcliffe. getting their hands in. • 1
Mr. Jones said, Mr. Brown should have a little more
mercy when he considered that the gentleman, that his
remarks applied to, was-but a recent convert, and his zeal ADVICE TO THE PUBLIC. 1
in favour of church-rates ought to be excused. (Laughter.) Bring something to put your butter in during this hot weather.
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It was not lona. since he had said there ought to be no rate,
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,nere ou6 oe no rate,
and now, that he was an advocate for the rate, they ought
to be prepared for something strong.
The Chairman said, if personal attacks were made, they
could never get through their business, and he was deter-
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BEEF, BREAD, BACON
__Several interested parti

AND PORK, UP.

have been saying that such be
ought to advance the price of the yello
No, no," said the Butterman,
a Korly cue ;'" that is, the nineteenth
lirthing, which is well known.

mined to have t
Mr. Radcliffe

in- the pound be laid on
parish liable to be rated fi
towards defraying the
repairing and due
and its services
Mr. Crossley

the property within th

the relief of the poo;

ssary expenses incurred in till
ipport and maintenance of the churcl

KELLY, THE BTITTERMAN,

mded the re

• Mr. Jones objected to a church-rate for the parish of
West Derby, and not to church-rates in general, but as
applied to West Derby. He had to propose an amendment,
and it would be his duty to give reasons for doing so. He
would try to give his reasons in a plain manner, notwith-
standing all the law and logic that had been put forth. His
first reason was, that he could not trust a church-rate in
the hands of West Derby officers another year, judging
from the use to which it has been put during
the past year ; and the chairman could not dispute that
he was correct in that statement, inasmuch as the reading
of minutes would bear him out. He believed that £7O
in the gross would be sufficiently large for all that was

1. rate NI

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