Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-08-11 00:00:00

iiik it necessary to make many of

commended the
over all the other
adopted. Circumstf

mitiee. had thOught it well to appoint a head superintendent,
and hence the present recommendation. The committee
thOught they could not do better than appoint ,Mr. Isaac
Hutchinson, as he had been a very faithful servant fOr a
period of nearly twenty years, having great experience and a
good 'character. The committee had a very high' opinion of
him, and they reconimended that he be prothoted to. that
office at a salary of £250 per annuu
would be as well to appoint -
nager of -

ht that it

John's Market, and -to appoint two new ma-
nagers for the markets in the southern and noirthern divi-
sions of the town, at such salaries as to make -the whole

C7o'o, which was -precis

system, bu
Mr. Aid,

ly what was

t with one cifficer more.

raid under the old

,rman COOPER recommended the adoption of the

isoginnaendAtion
It. GIADSTONE said the council would understand that
the great object which those gentlemen had in view' Who
form&l the committee, when the matter was first taken up

J. J.
by education and other qualifications, was well fitted for
head sufierintendent of the markets. He believed, as had
been said of Mr. Hutchinsonand he believed he had no
right to speak on the subject as regarded him—he was a
respectable man, and was anxious to do his duty, and he
had.no doubt that he would do all that was f expected of
him ; but he might say that the object they had in view
was, that they should have a person of superior education
and fitness, superior to Mr. Hutchinson, and, therefore, .it
was not right to adopt the recommendation without
first consulting the public good. He presumed if
Mr. Hutchinson would be unfit for the discharge of his
duty, he would not have been brought before them. He
would, however, prefer an entire stranger, because there
were cert-'- and

__ant influences and fears that were dangerous to the
corporation. He, for one, so far as he had the power,
would keep his eyes open in these matters, but he would

rather get -a superior man to Mr. Hutchinson, and they
would get plenty of them. He did not wish, however, to
offer any opposition to his appointment, and therefore made

no motion.
Mr. WOODRUFF moved the confirmation of the next two
.c,...4iiiuutiations, winch were auopLed. llc thou pronepiled
to .move the last recommendation, with reference to the
appointment of the collectors.
Mr. BOWRING said he could not agree to that, as he con-
sidered it would be a dowinight temntatinn

a vs, wri, yak. 11LULL
at such a salary.
The MAYOR said that question had been discussed before,
Mr. BOWRING said those men were appointed to collect
money. over whom no man could have any control what-
ever ; and he had no more to say, if he would not be

Mr. WOODRUFF -then read a letter from Mr. Ellis, who
offered to lease the, tolls .of the markets. He said he was
not aware that it would be legal to do anything of the kind;
but if not, he would beg leave to move the canfirmation of
the general proceedings. _ _

The To-six-el:Elm-stated that the council could not
delegate, by lease, those powers that were given to them by
act of parliament.
Mr. GLA.DSTONE said it was evident that Mr. Ellis had
made the proposition because he knew he could make some-
thing out of the matter. lie would repeat wkat hp had
said on a former occasion, that if the markets were properly
managpd, they would be found to be susceptible of an
•

immense increase

1 The proceedings were then confirmed

TUCATION COMMITTEE

The pr9ceeclings of the Education Committee were read
Mrivialnr, a

a acuuutwuulltiLloll LIM, on ana aver the
August next. the weekly fee charged for each child attend-
ing at the south school be increased from three halfpence
to twopence.

Mr. STEAINS in moving the confirmation, said, as children
at all the schools in the town were now paying twopence
per week, he would move that that amount be paid. The
amount received for the past year was £304 Os. lid. at thA

south schools. There was a halfpenny per week given .to
each child for the clOthino• fund, so that virtually they would
only be paying three halfpence per week. , ,
Mr. SHILL said he rnct, cr,44-1, •

ut,tention to what must be the inevitable consequence such
a proceeding, and that would be the exclusion of many
children from the benefits of the schools. A poor man, with
two or three children, for wh-om he had to pay twopence a-
week each, it became a serious consideration with him, and
such an increased charge would, to some extent, exclude
those children. Education was desirable to ' all ; but to
whose benefit was the public money to be applied but to
those who could not obtain that which was necessary for
themselves ? He hoped the corporation would not, without
very serious consideration, do that which would have the
effect of doing what he had stated. If he went the
full length of the views he formerly held, he would
say that they should attend there without any payment
whatever, except sa much as would induce the recipients to
place the greater value on that which they received. He
hoped that recommendation would not be confirmed, as he
considered that it would have a' very injurious effect on the
schools. The schools were, in his opinion, very exclusive.
The rules .excluded all his co-religionists; because these
rules were such, that conscientious Roman Catholics could
not send their children to them. The Roman Catholics
constituted a very large proportion of the population, and
they were of the very poorest class of society; but though
they were excluded, the council should not extend that rule
to the remaining portion of the poorer classes of the com-
munity. He would move that the proceeding's be confirmed,
except the recommendation.
Mr. VERNON said he would oppose the recommendation,
as he thought it was wrong to advance the• price of educa-
tion. If they were to make any advance in social improve-
ment, they should begin with the children. It was all
nonsense to attempt to make social improvement among
adults, while the children were neglected.
Mr. RYLEY said he would second the motion of Mr.
Shiel. He would not say for one moment that the education
at the schools was not worth twopence a' week, but he hoped
makingit w aswuosrethomf oortehtehranpetohpalte,s that.
mHoentehi they should apply it
thought when they were
Toped to see—without
where it was most wanted. He
making use of the term offensively—those schools become
ragged-schools. He thought there was nothing that would
hem
it
misery, more than by edu-
cating ttoithrnaeinsdieo. the poor pei
no owqrouptai eolltiitpysla,eybfrufootmr
givenot able to pay for it.
Mt. STrimics said he was sure he spoke the minds of the
committee when he said he would withdraw the recommen-
datioa,

Mr. SHAND said what .was wanted in the schools was
more accommodation.

Mr. STEAINS believed that one reason of the recommen-
dation was the enormous increase of applications.
Mr. GLADSTONE said he wished the question to be fairly
investigated, as he believed the object of the corporation
was to supply instruction for the very poorest classes of
society. It would seem that the enrneratinn sehnela had

now assumed

there was no question that a man should deal mon
tenderly with than that where education was to
prOvided for those who were not able to provid(
for themselves. Now the great object of these schoals,
as he had stated, was to provide for the poor, and these
formed one-third or one-fourth part of 'the population. A
gentleman had told Mr.• DoVer that the girls attending thes(
schools carry parasols over their- heads. Far be it from him
" •

)t the indi

to say anything a

; but those wer
riduals whom the Corporation intended the schools for. It wa
'or those who had no shoes or stockings, and who had t,
walk barefooted, who had nothing but drunken parents. I
vas for their good that the corporation intended the schools
Now, he did lament that .those schools should have bees
given to the benefit of others--not that he would withholi
from his fellow what he would desire for himself. But the:
were for the poor classes Of Soeiety:—for those who had a
friends in the world, and could not befriend themselves—
when the corporation stepped forward and appointed thos

schools
Mr.

.e netted when subjects were brougt
before them that other questions were introduced by a sick
wind, which he would be prepared _to speak on when prc
perly brought before them ; but he objected to incidents
attacks being made to the system of education in the school
He believed that it was a mistake in the corporation ow
establishing these schools, as it was only necessary that the
should carry out Municipal requirements. The schools wen
established according =to the doctrines of the Church a
En6iand, • ,which still

said he r

n of this county

continued to be the este
If they had a couscienV

ctioli to the system which Mr:Shia

ject, and becatthe

persOns objected to it

the scriptures, that question was- to be introd
were such a course taken, the result would b

;tants itneuediately rising up

1 their children -to any s

whOre the `'Ford of God v

excluded

be proud to argue • t

would put a motion on the book to that effect. They migh
have in these schools the children of journeymen printers
of e_Fpentei%s and of shipwrights, who themselves migh

g respectable positions

they Iv

but,for eternity

Arouhl suit them not on

The proceedings we

mendation, which was withdraWn

The proceedings of the < Gaol Committee were read, and
on the motion of- Mr. Sainuel Holme, were confirmed. .
The proceedings of the Town-hall- Establishment' Corn
mittee were also read and 'confirmed without comment.

)EN, LI

RY, AND NIIJSEU3I CO3I3IITTEI

The proceedings of this committee contained a recom
mendatiou to authorise the Mayor to acknowledge, in sui
able terms, on behalf of the corporation, the