Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-01 00:00:00

THE NOT TERN TIMES, TUESDAY, MARCH 1, 1859

MARKETS' COMMITTEE,

This committee met at eleven o'clock, yesterday, in the
Viva Hall ; Mr. Johnson presided, and the other mem-
bers present w•Jre—Messrs. Shimmin, Haydock, Bowring,
Chilton, Hoiden, and Ridley.
Mr. Stimmin said, before the business of the meeting
comno:nced, ho begged leave to make a few remarks.
Tbr....t day fortnight, Mr. Gladstone proposed that reporters
de admitted to the meeting of the committee. There was
no objection made to the proposition. He (Mr. Shim-
min) did not object, because he thought they would get
through their business much better, and that they would
be more careful in their remarks. He found, however,
that the report of their first meeting, appeared to be a
one-sided affair altogetber. Although a great num-
ber of gentlemen present took a very active part
in the discussion upon that occasion, there was
nothing in the report, but Mr. Gladstone, from beginning
to end. If he (Mr. Shimmin) had thought at Mr.
Gladstone had brJught Corward the motion for his own
glorification, he certainty should have objected to it. He
had a great respect for Mr. Gladstone, and thought he
should be . above such a thing. The report, which he
would place in the chairman's hands, was a very one-
sided a4:fair.

Mr. Haydock : What paper is it in ?
Mr. Shimminz In the Liverpool Mercury.
Mr. Huy dock : Is there a report in any other paper ?

Mr. Shfinmin

No, sir

The Chairman believed there was only the one reporter
in attendance. As it was the first meeting when a
reporter was in attendance, there might be some little
irregularity. fle had no doubt that the reporters who
attended in future would report the proceedings as cor-
rectly as they did those of all the other committees.

Mr. Shimmin said the report only v contained the
speeches of Mr. Gladstone. There was an excellent
speech by Mr. Bowring, and yet there was not the
slightest notice taken of it.

Bowring said the remarks which he thought it in-
cumbent upon him to make were most certainly not of a
character which deserved to be in print, and, thererore,
he had no complaint to make upon that subject.
Mr. Shimmin : But there is a principle involved in it.
(Hear, hear.)
The subject then dropped.

[ln reference to this subject we may mention that no
reporter attended the meeting from this j onrnal, because
no intimation was sent that the meeting (which was a
special. one) was to be held. As will be seen from the
proceedings, no previous meeting had been open to
reporters, and, indeed only a few days before a member
of our staff had been told by one of the committee, that
the resolution to admit reporters could not come into
force until it had received the sanction of the council.]

THE RECENT CENSURE Or MR. LUYA

When the minutes of the last ordinary meeting, and
the special meeting had been read,
The Chairman referred to a resolution on the books,
passing a censure on Mr. Luya for havinm, detained a
female in custody in the market. He said the letter con-
taining the charge seemed very plausible, and the woman's
statement was very plausible.
Mr. Holden : Has not the matter been settled, Mr.
Chairman ?

The Chairman said he only wished to refer to it before
he signed the proceedings. The inquiry was'not gone into
in a satisfactory manner to his mind. Mr. Luya had
no notice that the inquiry was to be gone into at all. The
party who caused the unhappy affair was not in attendance.
The constable who took part in the affair was not present.
In fact, Mr. Luya was left, as it were, almost defenceless.
He (the chairman) did not mean to jr cify .Mr. Luya's
conduct, but he did not think there had been a fair trial.
He had since been informed by persons in the market
that the woman used language very unbecoming of a
female of her appearance and sphere in life. He did not
know whether this was the fact.

Mr. Haydock : You must bear in mind that Mr.. Luya
admitted the facts.

Mr. Ridley : There was no necessity for the woman
who was selling the rabbits or the constable to be present,
inasmuch as Mr. Luya fully admitted all the charges.
The Chairman : It must be borne in mind that Mr.
Luya, and all the various superintendents, have always
been looked upon as a sort of judges between the buyer
and seller. There has been that practice going on since
the markets were established.

Mr. Ridley : Of detaining persons in custody ?
The Chairman: I have no doubt that there may have
been a little detention before, to try to get people to
adhere to something which the inspector might consider

Mr. Shimmin was very happy to hear these remarks
from the chairman.

Mr. Bowring said this discussion was not in order
at all. It there had been any irregularity in the way
the matter was gone into, it ought to have been
settled at the time. (Hear, hear.) He should be
allowed to say that the hairman, in his official
capacity, ought to have seen that everything was done
as it ought to be done (Hear, hear.) It was now too
late to bring the matter on again when the members
were entirely at sea with regard to it. When the
woman who was aggrieved, and her husband, were
before the committee, then was the time to make the
observations which had just been made. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Shimmin : The man was the victim of a system.
Mr. Bowring : If we go on in this way we shall never
get to the end of our business. (Hear, hear.)
The Chairman : We must now proceed with the
regular business.
The remainder of the minutes was then read and
confirmed.