Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-01-26 00:00:00

ROMAN CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

In reply to ➢ir. Newdegute,
Sir G. C. LEWIS said that a bill was in preparation
for the regulation of Roman Catholic charities.

orfURCII-RATES.

On the motion of Sir J. TRELAWNT, leave was given
to bring in a bill for the abolitiOn of church-rates. The
bill he stated was precisely the same as that of last year.

COVILT OF APPEAL IN CRUALNAL CASES.
'Mr. AlA.elf.x.nort asked leave to bring in a bill to
establish a tight of appeal in criminal cases.
Sir G. C. LEWIS said that recent events had invested
the subject with great impOrtanoe, and he hoped the
bill woulftle dispassionately•considered and independent
of all political bias. In refraining from all opposition
to the introduction of the bill, he begged to disclaim
ccimnlitling himself to the,principle of the bill.
Leave was then given.

REPORT ON' THE ARMLESS.
tOrc bringing up the report of the Address, _
Sir H. WlLLonennventered his protest against the
Thinese war as expensive arid useless. He regretted
:the absence of any" eference to economy in the-Address..
Admiral WaLcovr expressed his gratitude for the
-terms in which the ;Admiral and officers- commanding
-the Chinese expedition were spoken of in the-Address.
Sir J. PARINETOiq likewise expressed his -satisfaction
at the somewhat tdrdy acknow,tedgment •of the services
of Admiral Hope end his gallant companion. Referring
-to the commercial treaty, he hoped that its-details would
be explained at•the earliest period. Severannterests which
it would affect were now severely depressed.
Mr. Ilanngtn added his protest against the Chinese

war.
Sir M. STIMOUR, in expressinghis-admiration of the
conduct of the officers at the Peiho, declared his convic-
tion that the' Chinese could only be approached by force

of arms.
Mr. SLANICY expressed his approbation of the com-
mercial treaty.
Lord PraMOY complained of the delay in bringing
in the Referni Bill, and the omission of all mention of
Ireland in' the. Royal Speech. ,Ife thought that the
moderate party in that country, 'who deserved great
credit for-their conduct on recent occasions, had not re-
ceived the support from the Government to which it was
entitled.
Mr. "CARDWELL thought iltht the absence of ard
mention of. Ireland was a matter of congratulation,
rather than regret. In reference to Irish measures, the
intentions of the Governmertt,annhose matters of more
immediate interest had been distinctly made known--
they:Etta declared their firm support of the principle Of •
mixed sducation. He had many bills, in preparation for
Ireland, which he had not announced till he could a
day-for their discussion. An::liish Reform Bill would
be:brought in immediately afteethe introduction efthat ,
for England.
Mr. W. EwART, approving.bl the, extension of .com- •
merce with France, hoped that the duties would be
taken off articles of common,consamption. Onrtrade
witlt.7france had been in a disgraceful state for some
'time, 'and he thanked her iMajesty's Government for ,
re-establishing it.
M. S. FITZGERALn objected to commercialltreaties
-c;freeiprocity •in general, and to, the French treaty in
'particular. Its principles •-sere certainly not -those
-whieh ought to be approved '-isy consistent frectraders.
The -concessions to France were not fair to other nations,
-
-who-had already made in concessions to oureelveswithouts
•
siniik.a. returns. He -complained that the proceeding.
was a direct reversal of. therFree Trade policy vitich had'
beenthe rule of late years. Theamo tin tof revenue-affected
.by' the treaty was three milliers, and thus an intrease of
taxation might be involved. Moreover this treaty put
it out of their power to reinforce or even increase' these,
duties on the articles affected, if the necessities -of war 1
,revenue required it. lie was Convinced t'hatthe treaty I
was intended for a political and not a .commercial:l
purpose., He feared -that oar relations withrregard to.:1
:Fratree on, ,the Italian queition would place us in a 1
-secondary and undignifiedfogition. i
The Oki ANCELLOR 'Of the,CREQUEIL wished-tO know i
where Mr. S. Fitzgerald had obtained the info. illation • I
-which enabled him -to discuss-so copiously a -treaty which
"had-not yet been pro'duced. Had be secreted himself
behi,a3 the tapestries oftheproom where thee-negetiations
were going on ? The right- honourable gentlentan had-,
.forgotten that the treaty -could !not be carried,erat.with-
oat the and consent of parliament. Ile must
hirnSelf wait, and he 'trustee that 'the house
wait; fill the treaty ettild be-produced, until wlrith time
he,raust adjourn the .further-debate. As to :the rela-
tions: of the treaty with-fren.trade, he denied altogether
that,oin duties were arrangecli present solely 'for -pur-:
poses of revenue. IteductiOus in our wine duties espe-
,.. cially;bad been repeatedly the subject of negotiations
• with-various nations. Ile ridiculed the notion.of 'Mr.
Fitzgerald that the treaty bathe political intention, and.
waiintended to divert ?Odic ,attention front our 'pro-.
-eeedings-with France. It waqthe fear of too,Olese•an
under gb e tween Fatglandi‘nd France wild& dictated
thoobjeeions to' the treaty. •Ire.on the contrary thought
that understanding could not lite too close; Frame and
EnglamLoould not be conibined except for a good(ohject.
As for: he production of the treaty, the forms
Macy wOrild not allow it to be procented to theihouseat
the ond next week, and the Government wens onnions
tha'Citsterras should be discussed, as soon after asams-
sible. It .was further thevgish of: tine Government ,that
the financial statement for the year should be made as
early as 'possible, when the provisions of the treaty
could be-debated; and he hoped tote able to make that
statement on:Monday week, the ethtFebruary.
Mr: ICENVDXGATE called attention ,to the high duties
:imposed :by 'France_ upon certain !Classes of silks.
Be
' was in favour-of free trade if it meautsquality.
-'
Mr. lionsAitm said we could only be in too dose
'ProxiMity withXzrance when it kivolvold-4-,-eparation from
others countries. Ile wished that abetter explanation
than had been yet given, could be mace of the reasons
which indueed the'Government to delays the settlement
of the reform (question. It might be that-the questions
now pending might occasion a change of(Covernment,
arid the Reform 'Bill ought to be settled in the first

instance.
Mr. J. EWAUT hoped that the Government would
take into ,early consideration the question ,of the flag
,covering the cargo in tirr of war. It was une:iss which
his constituents were deeply interested.
;Sir Be LACY EVANS wished to know when the Chinese
,question would be brought forward. He went ?briefly
into recent transactions which ought to be fully,eluei-
. dated, and blamed the Government for not coniexring
proper distinctions on the officers and men who Iliad
distinguished themselies in the ksp3dition.
Mr. IkeLkNAN wished to tueiv whether in a com-
mercial sense we were really at war with China.
Mr, BENTJNCK thought that the postponement of the
Reform Bill was a wise and salutary course on the part
of the Government.
Mr. E. JAMES urged the Government, OTC the con-
trary, to introduce the bill at an earlier time than that
now fixed.
Mr. JOHN LOCKE said the time fixed gave stacient
;opportunity for discussion,.
Lord PArzitusTox observed that, with regard to the
i-at?'oction of the various subjects now demanding
attention, it was difficult to satisfy every one. Some
wanted the Chinese question, others the proposed treaty,
othek the budget, to be first discussed, The Govcr4,

meat had, with regard to the Reform Bill, chosen the
time they believed most conducive to the public interests.
There would, he was convinced, be ample time,for dis-
cussion. With respect.to China, we were not considered
by the Emieror as at war with the whole country, and,
in consequence, trade proceedings were not interrupted
by the operations at Canton. Those commercial relations
would be destroyed by a direct declaration of war.
The report on the address was then agreed to and
adopted, and ordered to be presented to her Majesty.
The Church-rates Bill was read a first time, and
ordered to be read a second time on the Bth of February.
The house adjourned at half-past three o'clock.