Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-01-07 00:00:00

THE NORTHERN TIMES FRIDAY, JANUARY 7, 1859.

so that the one did not know what the other said, and in
answer teethe questions he put, they all used the word
"damn. The only discrepancy was, that one. of the girls
said "damned for ever," and the rest said " damned
for all eternity:* Miss Gillow's excuse to him was, that
she thought these girls were Roman Catholics, and that
it had been so communicated to her. She had four names
on a card, three of whom she had spoken to, and she
said she acted on the belief that they were
stopping away from the religious instruction which she
was giving. He told her that it would have been much
more discreet if she had communicated with him first on
the matter, or to the school mistress.. To which she
answered, in the first instance, that he was unwell, and
that the school mistress was away on her holidays, or she
would have done so. He also thought it right to inquire
if Miss Kennan had previously catechised the girl, but
he found that the girl had first made the intimation to
Miss Kennan. There was no doubt that Miss Gillow did
catechise "these girls, and question them as to their reli-
gion. As to the objectionable words, she denied them
strongly, although affirmed by the three girls whom she
spoke to. He might say that when the ladies first came
to the workhouse, he thought it right to be most parti-
cular in giving them instructions and such help as he
could, in order to make the thing• work well.
The four Roman Catholic ladies asked to be introduced
into the department of the Workhouse which they were to
visit. When they entered, they asked him whether it
would be proper to inquire of the inmates their religion.
He replied, from his own impression, on the first blush of
the matter, it would be improper. He told them, that
in the sick wards they would see the religion of the
patients, and in the healthy wards he would suggest to
the officers to point out the persons of this religion to the
lathes, and then they would soon come to know each
other.

Mr. Peck : Is not the religion of every girl in the
house written in a book ?
The Chairman : Yes.
Mr. Peck : What is this girl entered ?
The Chairman : A Protestant.
Mr. Denton : May I ask if the Governor is aware of
any other indiscretion by these ladies ?
The Chairman thought this was out of order. _ .

Mr. Denton thought he a had right to ask the ques-
tion, as it had been. rumoured that there were other very
serious indiscretions committed.
'Mr. Bairstow said, they might ask a general queStion,
whether the governor had not found that at first he did
not 'find considerable difficulty in getting the ladies into
proper order.
The Chairman: That is likely. _ _

Mr. Melly asked the governor if he did not find that
the ladies committed little mistakes; Roman Catholics and
Protestants, at first, but of no serious nature ?
The Governor replied that, when the ladies first visited
the house, there was nothing more natural than they
would commit mistakes, but they were instantly,
and on the spot, corrected, were not again repeated,
and were not of a serious nature. At the re-
quest of the committee, he related an instance of a
lady distributing some tracts and cards, bearing texts of
Scripture. This. he put a stop to, and directed them to
be distributed through .the chaplain or the priest, who
would be responsible for the matter they contained.
Mr. Owen : Do you know any instance of a Protestant
lady putting similar questions to a Roman Catholic
inmate ?

Mr. Carr : No, sir; I should have reported it if I did.
This is the first really official offence. The ladies
appeared willing and glad to enter into my views.
Mr. Denton said there was another case very objec-
tionable, in reference to these ladies, which ought to be
known.
Mr. Owen : We ought to have that.

Mr. Carr said he could tell them the whole story, if
they choosed, of every little matter. As regarded this
same Miss Gillow, she gave religious instruction, in a
class, on ono occasion to the whole of her people, and the
Protestants were sent out of the room, and he work
suspended while the instruction was being given. The
chairman happened to come on the premises at the time,
and he communicated it to him, and the thing was put a
stop to and not repeated.
Mr. Owen That was a matter of disCipline.

Mr. Denton : You look at it in a very light way. She
goes into the house and suspends the work for a length
of time. • I thick it is a very serious offence.

Mr. Bairstow said, seeing-they had a chaplain in the
house to give religious instruction, he did not think it
was necessary for these ladies to give that class of in-
struction. It was not to give religions instruction they
were admitted.

Mr. Smith said the only matter they would have to
prove, was whether these three or four children were
correct as to the expression used by Miss Gillow. They
ought to have Miss Gillow there.
Mr. Williams : Let her services be discontinued.
(Cries of "oh, no.")
The Chairman suggested that a motion might be made
in some milder terms.

Mr. Williams then moved that tho visits of Miss
Gillow be respectfully discontinued.

Mr. Syred seconded the motion

Mr. Owen moved, as an amendment; that a communi-
cation be made to Miss Gillow, informing her of the
charges brought against her, and giving her an oppor-
tunity for explanation, as it might be that the matter
would be considerably modified 'when the parties were
heard.
Mr. Smith seconded the motion.

Mr. Steele : Let us put it in the most unobjectionable
form. There is sufficient proved to be a breach of the
rules, and we can in consequence respectfully. ask her

resignation.
Mr. Melly moved a resolution to the effect, that a copy
of the documents which had been read, Miss Kennan's
letter, and the girl's statement, be forwarded, with a copy
of the rules, to Miss Gillow, and that she be requested,
in accordance with rule 7, respectfully to send in her
resignation to the committee.
Mr. Owen : That does not give her an opportunity of
defending herself.
Mr. Melly submitted that his resolution gave her the
opportunity either of giving an explanation or of sending
in her resignation. - • •
Mr. Denton seconded the motion.

Mr. Williams withdrew his motion, to give way to Mr

Alter some further remarks,

Mr. Melly said it was. a most painful thing that this
had occurred, but he protested against that committee
dealing with these ladies as if they were paid officers.
Mr. Owen consented to withdraw his motion, if the
words " unless she is prepared to give a satisfactory ex-
planation to the committee," wero added to , Mr. Melly's
motion

Mr. Bairstow was astonished at the "gingerly and
tenderly " manner the committee were dealing with this
question.
Mr. Smith : We have to deal tenderly where ladies are
concerned.

Mr. Bairstow : I certainly desire to give this lady an
opportunity of explaining the matter, and if she does not
send in her resignation, what then ?
Mr. Critchley : Why send an explanation (laughter).
The motion of Mr.. Melly was carried unanimously,
with the addition proposed by Mr. Owen.
The matter then dropped.
Mr. Melly. then moved that Miss Agnes Roskell be
allowed to visit the house in place of her sister, Miss
Annie Roskell, who was unwell, and against whom there
had not been the shadow of a fault found.
The motion was agreed to unanimously.

This was all the business calling for public notice

who, he said, had been employed at the Constitutional
office (oh, oh !) Mr. Williams could get a testimonial
from Mr. Mansfield. • -
Mr John Wilson seconded the motion.
The other candidates proposed, were —George Correll,
Richard Holmes, John Thornton, and Thos. Williams.
Mr. Joseph Wilson moved, that no person be
considered eligible whose ago was above forty.
Mr. Siddeley seconded the motion.
Mr. John Wilson moved that candidates be eligible at
forty-five years of age.
This was agreed to.

The candidates were then caned in, and questioned
respectively by the guardians, Mr. Miller remarking,
before that proceeding commenced, that it was usual in
the country to make an old poacher into a gamekeeper.
Mr; Baynes said he wished to make a remark before
George, Corroll, the first candidate, was called in. It was
his intention to ask Corroll if he belonged to any secret
society or Orange Lodge. (Oh, oh ! and-hear, hear. )
Mr. Hughes : You have no business, to ask such a
question. What have you to do with it whether he
belongs to an Orange Lodge or not ?

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Mr'.'Siddeley : We have no right to put such a question.
Mr. Baynes : I think I have. I think it wrong, for
I understand he belongs to such a lodge.

Mr. Grindrod : Then- it is wrong tor us to interfere.
Many persons belong to secret societies.
Mr. Johns : I move that such a question be not put.
The Chairman : Shall I put it to the Board ? I,
myself, I can tell you sincerely, would not have a man
belonging to any secret society.
Mr. Johns • The Ribbon Society is considered secret
and dangerous, but I never knew that the Orange Society
was.

The Chairman : You may ask this question, if you
think proper, and may please yourselves whether you
refuse a man on that ground.

Mr. Johns : I shall object to it in toto, as being
unconstitutional.
Mr. Moss : The Orange Society is unconstitutional.
Mr. Johns : No, it is not ; they are sworn to defend
the Queen and Constitution.
Mr. Moss : What -is the reason, then, that they are
put down ?
Mr. Johns : They are not put down.
Mr. Grindrod : An attempt was made, but did not
succeed.

Mr. Moss : -Ah ! I dare say it is a most excellent society.
Mr. Grindrod : Yes ; and I quite agree with it ; it has
most excellent principles.
Mr. Moss : . Then you will support it ?
Mr. Grindrod : I will, if necessary. . .

11fr. Moss : I suspect' this gentleman (the candidate)
must belong to the society, or his friends would not
support it.
The Chairman : I think the question had better not
be -asked. What say you ? [Silence.] Then we will
abandon it.

Corroll (who was understood to be the only eligible
candidate last week) was then called in, and was
questioned at sonic length, chiefly by Mr. Moss ; but the
question, as to the Orange Society, was not put.
The candidate having retired,
Mr. Johns said (addressing- Mr. MosS and Mr. John
Wilson) : I never heard a more absurd question, than to
ask a man, after he has given all necessaay information,
such a question as "What are your other qualifications?"
It-was most absurd.
Mr. Moss : Ah ! you cannot see an inch before your
nose (a laugh.)

Arr. Johns : At all events, I don't wear an eye-glass.
(More laughter.)
The next candidate, Holmes, was called in, and
examined, chiefly by Mr. John Wilson, most of the
questions referring to Messrs. -Joseph and William
White, in whose service the candidate had been.

Mr. Wilson (to Holmes) : Now you tell the truth.
YoU say you have a testimonial from them. I wouldn't
give a straw for it.

- Mr. Grindrod : You have no right to make such a
remark.
Mr. Wilson : I shall if I like
Board

I am a member of this

Mr. Grindrod : You have no right to prejudice the man
by such insinuations.

The Chairman : It can do no good. I do not think the
remark should be made.

The other two candidates were called in and questioned,
after which the voting took place. On the first vote
Corrall and Williams stood highest. On the second vote
the members were for Corral seven, namely, Layland,
Leyland, Joseph Wilson, Johns, Hughes, Grindrod, and
Siddeley for Williams eight, namely, the Chairman,

Johnson, Moss, John Wilson, Ogden, Miller, Baynes, and
Craig. Williams was then declared elected, and the
Chairman, in announcing that fact to him, said they would
require his services as soon as possible.
There was no other business of public interest.

MEDICAL PHIL ANTROPHY

After our reporter had retired, we understand Mr.
Johns brought forward the following :
Mr. Peel's servant, 173, Mill-street, was taken ill with
fever, and was refused admittance into the hospital, un-
less a guarantee was given that her maintenance would
be paid for. In consequence of the delay that occurred—
about a period of two days—Mrs. Peel was taken ill of
the fever, and subsequently Mr. Peel was taken ill, and
removed to the hospital. Query, if not there now, had
the girl been removed, in all probability the wife would
be now alive, and the husband following his occupation,
and that both would have escaped the contagion.
Moreover, if Mr. John Wilson's one of the
guardian's —servant could be sent to the hospital,
and according to Mr. Cleaver's law he is not liable for
her maintenance, whose law is it that would compel this
poor man to give a guarantee for the maintenance of his
servant, before sho was removed, thereby endangering the
lives of the whole family, which has terminated fatally
with respect to the wife.