Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-01-10 00:00:00

DOCK BOARD-!SPECIAL MEETING.

A special: tratethig of ;,,the Dock Board was held' on
Satur4tty;it Wave o'cao4,for the. pax-Pose of
.receiving
a report from a committee appointed to consider and
report upon the construction of committees. The chair
was taken by Mr. Charles Turner, and the other members
present were—Messrs. Smith, Farnworth, Laird, Bold;
Tobin, Hubbae,k, Segal.; Anderson, Forwood, Boult,
Moss, Lockett, Mondel, Inman, Rankin, Graves,. Bushell,
Langton, ' Riipthwaite, liutchison, Iblrue,._ Evans;
Brocklebank, Shand.' '

The Chairnian explained the business of the meeting,
and then at once proceeded to read the list of committees
as recommended by the special committee, for the adop-

Lion of the board

The board went into committee to consider the subject

WORES COMMITTEE

The special committee recommended that the works
committee consist of ten members, as follows :.,Messrs.
Brocklebank, Bold,. Bushell, Evans, Laird, Rankin,
Shand, Smith, Tobin, and liolme._
Mr. Smith proposed, as an amendMent, that the com-

tnittee consist of .eight, winch he stated was the original
number and Which lie considered quite cn)ugh.

Mi. Lockett seconded the amendment.
A division being taken, the amendment was lost by 16
to 10.

Mr. Smith proposed another amendment. Il6.thOight
it quite out of order that the nominee members. should
A great many suz

be on the works
had been made last year about the possibility ..of the
docks and quays committee making some arrangements
to economise time and space in the working. of the docks.
Mr. Bushell had brought forward a motion for a special
committee upon that very subject, and if the committees
remained as now constituted, would probably do so'again
before many sittings had passed. Now he .ura.ed , „,
that that was properly part of the duties of the docks
and quays conunittee, and that therefore that was the
committee on which Mr. Bushell ought ,to have a seat.
Under the circumstances he did not think that to put
Mr. Bushell on the works committee, was to have the
right man in the right place. He maintained that the
coramittee ought to be so arranged as to avoid, if pos-
sible, the necessity of having a special committee ap-
pointed. He therefore moved that the committee con-
sist of nine members.
Mr. Arnold'seccmded the amendment.

)mmittee

,restions

The Chairman said it might be a matter of convenience
if Mr. Bushell would state whether he would have any
objection to exchange to the docks and quays committee.
Mr. Tobin did not think they ought to alter the
arrangements in such a hasty manner.
Mr. Smith protested against the question put by the
chairman. The arrangement of the committee was a
question for the entire board, and not for the consultation
or the convenience of individual members. He reminded
the board that ALL a former occasion the name of Mr. Evans
was left ward the •works committee, and the name`, of
himself (Mr. Smith) left out of the parliamentary commit-
tee, probably because he was nit a sufficiently ornamental
member, without any consultation of his own inclina-
tions. On the therefore, that. "what was
sauce for the goose was sauce for the gander," he pro-
tested amainst the question put by the Chairman in
this- instance. •

The Chairman said, as Mr. Smith. had based a good
deal of his argument upon the ground that Mr; Bushell
had moved for a special committee upon the 'subject of
-dock arrangements, he felt that it might save .the Board
some trouble if Mr. Bushell would state at once, whether
he was willing to become a member of the docks and
quays committee, of which he would undoubtedly be a
very valuable member. He did not put the question
.with the objecksuggested by Mr. Smith, and he did not
by any means press for an answer.
Mr. Bushell said he would leave himself entirely iu the
hands of the board, but he only, hoped that Mr. Smith
would do him the justice to say that he had been as re-
gular an attendant at the works committee as'Any other
gentleman. He should be happy to work upon the docks
and quays committee, but at the same time he 'declared
that he did not think that committee could, having so
much of its own work to do, undertake the special
object which he had before proposed, and which he
should feel bound to bear in mind.
Mr. Tobin strongly objected to any distinction being
drawn between the nominee and the elected members.
A division being taken, the amid:neat was lost by 14
to 12.

Mr.. Smith proposed that the name-of Mr. Hubbaek be
substituted for that of Mr. Bushell, believing that the
latter would be more valuable as a member of the docks
and quays committee.
Mr. Arnold seconded the motion.
Mr. Bubback thought Mr. Smith should have consulted
him before proposing such a motion, and begged to say
that he should decline to serve on the 'committee, as he
had many other duties already to discharge: •
Mr, Arnold thought private feeling should always
override public duty at that board:
(,The Chairman : I presume. -you mean the reverse.
Rear, hear, and laughter.)
Mr. Arnold, said he meant that private feeling should
never override public dtity. (Laughter.Y He thotight
there were strong objections to the nominee members
being all placed upon one committee, especially the works
committee, although there could .be no personal objection
to any of them.
The name of Mr. Hubback was finally 'withdrawn.
Mr. Inman proposed that the name of Mr. Madver be
substituted for that of Mr. Bushell.
Smith seconded the amendment.

Mr. Bushell said, contests ;117out his name Were
so very painful to him that he should much prefer to
Withdraw from the works committee and take any place
the board might think fit.
A division was finally taken, when there appeared—

Po;ii;.Bashell: Messrs. Anderson, Bold, i3rocklebank,
Evans, Farnworth, Graves, Hubback, Hutchison, Laird,
IS ' Moudel,• Rankin, Shand, Tobin, and Turner—

For Mr. Maclver : Messrs. Arnold, Bushell, .Boult„
orwood, Inman Lockett, Moss, Rounthwaite, Seger,
and Smith-10.
Mr. Bushell's name was therefore declared carried.
When the name of Mr. Laird was proposed,
Mr. Boult begged to bring forward an amendment, as
.that was the last opportimity he should have of objecting
to the number of nominee members upon that committee.
He believed that those members would not be. looked
on by the ratepae-rs with the same confidence as the
.elected members. They were appointed by an authority
which was considered to have been exercised in a manner
prejudicial to'the interests of the ratepayers. The works'
committee was the department where the money of the
ratepayers was principally expended, and over which, of
course, it was desired that the most efficieat control
should be exercised. It h ippened, moreover, that of the
nominee members, two at least were considered to be
personally interested in property at Birkenhead. - He was
sorry to speak of such things, but he did not see how the
question could be discussed upon any other ground.
What had been hitherto said; did not at all appear to
meet the gist of the matter. Ile desirei to speak with
all respect and courtesy.
The Chairman : Allow me to-suggest that allusions to
the fact of gentlemen having land upon this side of the
river or the other will not conduce to harmony of dis-
cussion, because it amounts to assuming that those gen-
tlemen are actuated by improper motives. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Bohlt said, he was speaking of the feelings -of the
ratepayers out of doors, among wham there was a very
strong feeling on the subject, and who were accordingly
dissatisfied. 'Mr. Boult concluded by moving that the
name of Mr. Maclver be substituted for that of Mr. Laird.
Mr. Inman seconded the amendment.
Mr. Laird said, during the existence of the former
board, the discussions were always conducted in a gentle-
manly and proper manner, but if Mr. Boult and other
parties were to begin to tax him (Mr. Laird) with having
property on the other side of the water, it must lead,
without doubt, to retaliation, and to introducing the sub-
ject of the ownership of property upon this; side of the
Water. (Hear, hear.) It would lead not only to that,
but to questioning. the motives which induced every vote
given at the board. (Hear, hear.) He did not want
to throw the stone ; but if Mr. Boult or any
other gentleman chose hereafter to raise questions as
to where his property lay, he should be prepared to meet
them, and he believed he could show that he was
actuated by motives as fair and as honourable as those of
any other member. If he had interests upon the other
side of the water, he believed that he had spent as much
money, and done as much good among the tradesmen of
Liverpool, and was now doing as much as any other
member of the board ; and if -bringing business to the
port, and spending his money among the trades-
men of Liverpool entitled him to come to a
question of that kind, he thought he could show
as good a riht to sit at that board, and
give his opinion upon the proper management of the
docks and the harbour of Liverpool, . as any gentleman
there. He hoped Mr. Boult would not persevere in such
a_ course, which must lead to unpleasantness, for Mr.
-Beak might depend upon it that he would not allow him
or any other man to impute motives to his actions while
he sat there. (Hear,' hear.)
The board then divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Laird : .Messrs. Anderson, Bold, Brocklebank,

Bushell, Farnworth, Graves, Ilaback, Hutt on,
Langton, Segar,'Shand, Tobin, and Turner-14. _
For Mr; Maclver : Messrs. Arnold, Boult, Evans, For-
wood. Inman, -Laird, Lockett, Mondell, Moss, Rounth-
waite, and Smith-11.
Mr. Laird. was, therefore, appointed.
The other names—Were then
,passed without any op-
position.

Wii.REllOl"$E COMMITTEE

The following names were proposed to form this com-
mittee, to consist of seven members. Messrs. Ilubback,
Arnold, nrocklebank, Evans, Smith, Segar, and Little-
dale. -
The names were passed without opposition,

MARINE COMMITTEE

It was. proposed that. this ,corninittee consist of six
members. Messrs, Mondel, linnati; Lockett, Langton,
Maclirer, and Moss.

Mr. Lockett moved. that .the committee consist •of
seven members.

Mr. BOult seconded the amendment, upon which after
some conversation, a division 'Was taken, which resulted
in the amendment being rejected by 20 to 6.

Mr. Inman moved that the nal:lie:of .Mr. Bold be sub-
stituted for that of Mr. Maerver, stating that he would
hereafter move that the -latter gentleman be'pleed
the parliamentary cominittet. '

Mr. Roxinthwtiite seconded the amendment.
Mr. Maclver's name Was carried .14 to 12.

No further amendment was proposed, and the com-
mittee was accordingly constituted according to the
rocommendation.

DOCKS -VXD QUAYS. COUNSIrIEE

It was proposed that this committee consist of nine
members, as follosirs : 'Alessi's. Locket, Graves, Langton,
Hutchison, Rounthwaite, 'smith, ,Nlaclver, Boult, and
For Wood.

The proposed arrangement•wAs agreed to without any
objection. •

rINANCE COMMITT.

The following gentlemen were unanimously appointed
to this coMmittee,. in accordance
,with the recommenda-
tion :—Messrs: Rankin'. Anderson, Bushel, Hubback,
Farnworth, and ,Littledale in number.

MXSTER+POIITERS' COMMITTB

It was recommended that this committee should consist
'of the following Six gentlemen : Ilfessr3.- Alounthwaite,
Arnold, Inman, Hutchison, Segar, and Forwood.
The recommendation was unanimously agreed to.

PARLI.A.MINTARY commirrEl

The committee was forthed, in accordance with the
recommendation, of the following eight gentlemen :
Messrs. Shand, Bold; Brocklebank, Graves, Laird, Rankin,
Tobin, and Holme.

PILOTS' COMMITTEE

The duties of this committee have been added to the
functions of the Dock Board. It is to consist of eight,
members belonging to the Dock Board, and four not
belonging to it. The special committee recommended
the following gentlemen belonging to the board :
Messrs, Shand, Moss, Boult, Anderson, Farnworth,
Inman; Mondel; and Bold; .and•the folloWing not-helorig-
ing to the board : —Messrs. Andreii Boyd, Thomas g.
Blythe, J. T. Jacob, and George Kendal., •
The names were agreed to as recommended.

This cOncluded the appointment of committees.
Mr..Forwood drew attention to the question of dock fines,
and asked if it were the fact that the magistrates had
no power to mitigate a.penalty. _ _

the Chairman said the subject was under the con-
sideration of the solicitor, and would, he hoped, ,be
satisfactorily arranged. . •

Mr. Tobin referred to the recent lefter of Mr. Chaloner
as to the crowding of; timber docks by empty vessels.
He said he went-down that morniiig to examine those

docks, and found the Crane unoccupied At the south end
of the Queen's DOck; but blocked up with empty vessels,
-Which,. although their removal would not necessitate
their going into the river, no steps whatever were taken
to remove, while there :were three mahogany vessels
unable: to get a berth, and lying there, doing nothing.
In the Union Dock there was a steam crane, peculiarly
adapted for the discharge of heavy logs of mahogany, •
and at the time the vessels he had alluded to were doing
nothiag, there was a vessel lying at the quay berth to
discharge deals. The steam crane was not : necessary
for the discharge, and for five days she was doing nothing
at all, although she occupied the birth, and prevented
others froin doing anything. He then went to the Toxteth
Dock, which was expressly adapted to the mahogany trade.
There were lines of railway running all round it into 'the
mahogany sheds ; there was a weighing machine at the
east side for the purpose of weighing the mahogany as it
was landed ; and there were no less than six cranes placed
around it. These six cranes had been rendered abso-
lutelyuseless in consequence of the dock being crowded
with empty vessels. When a complaint was made, :the
Secretary wrote that the Board had no power to compel
the -removal of empty vessels, but' at that very moment
the lightships belonging to the Dock Board had a quay
berth to one of the cranes, and had been in the dock with
one brief interval something like three years. A vessel
fox sale was occupying the very best space in the, dock,
opposite to the crane, for several months, and preventing
any mahogany vessel from using the crane. He hoped
the committee to whom Mr. Chaloner's letter had been
referred, would take notice of these factS, (Hear, hear.)

• . A letter was read from the Mercantileliaane Assdcia;
tion, asking for, permanent moorings in. the river for the
.school frigate, Conway, which is e..mpeetad to arrive here

next week,

The letter was referred to the Marine Committee,
This concluded: the general business:

TOXTETH BOARD. OV GUARDIANS A

On Saturday last Mr. Rees resumed the audit of the
accounts of this board, which was adjourned from Wed-
nesday for the production of the particulars of some of
the accounts which had been paid by the deputation on
their journey to Lancaster and Ramhill Asylunis, &c.,
Mr. Urquhart having objected to their being paid by
the township. The members of the board present on

Saturday wire
Leyland, Hug.

l'hotuas Urquhart, J

his
, liarnsou, J onus

n Wilson
iddeley, Moss.

accounts, with the libx.tieular items, were submitted

Gowh's account, which amounted in all to V) Is. 3d. of
which £3 10s. was for hotel expenses, including three
bottles of port wine and one bottle of sherry discussed at
a dinner for five guardians. The remainder of the bill
was for railway fares from Skipton to Bolton, and this

was also objected to as having no connection with th
btisiness of the township.

Mr. Urquhart did' not know on what authority Mr.
GOugh joined the,deputatioa. Mr. Moss's bill amounted
to LG 9s 6d, and Mr. Urquhart objected to all the items
with one exception, which was LI. 6s 6d paid for railway
fares. The rest, Mr. Urquhart said, was chargeable to

the gentlemen who went on

pleasure party, and not

In reply to a

le auditor

The Clerk stated that the deputation was away two
days on the first journey, and on the third day they went
to Rainhill and Hay dock Lodge.

The Auditor said it appeared to him thdt they might
have done the business in the first instance in one day,
and altogether not to have occupied. more than two days.
Mr. Urquhart said, if it had been their own business
they would have done it in one day.
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asylum, and they should have gone by an early train:
The Auditor said it struck him•that the most equitable
way of dealing with the matter would be, instead, of

going througn an tne census Situ gtnii..6
little items, to allow a fair sum a fair and reasonable
amount to pay these expenses, and he would put
them down in this way : Fares to Rainhill and
back, £1 17s. 4d. ; tolls and car'. hires to St.
1.55. 3d. ; fares to Lancaster and back, .1.',8; refreshments
at Lancaster for eight persons, £3; conveyance from
ilaydock to Newton, ss. ; from Newton to Ramhill, 10s. ;
making in all, £l4 is. 7d. The original charge was
£l7 6s. 2d, ; showing a difference of £3 Bs. 7d. The
auditor. remarked, that gentlemen going on a deputation
for such matters should economise the poor rates.
• In reply to Mr. Urquhart the auditor said he would
take care that the Bs. 61 should be paid to that gentle-
man, which he had not got credit for.
• Mr. Harrison said, in reference to the remark made by
Mr. Urquhart in regard to Mr. Gough, it were the desire
of the Board generally, that Mr. Gough should join the
deputation, being ft practical man. It was after the
business was over that several gentleman spoke to Mr.
Gough, and expressed to:him their desire that be should
go, and.he had_been of great service to the deputation.
Mr. Urquhart said, it ought to have been known by
the board that Mr. Gough was to join the deputation, as

it was a matter of expense.
The Auditor said, in future they should be careful to
know the nantes'of the perSOns who,Were to join a depu-
tation. They should all bejnentioned to the board. _ _

In reply to -Mr. Urquhart, the auditor said he could
riot decide as to the legality of a private guardian
occupying the chair, while the deputy-chairman was
present, except it affected a matter of account.
Mr. John Wilson asked if there was any particular
time when these surcharges were to be paid, as the
.£l4
in the case of Mr. Batten was not paid yet.
The Auditor replied that they were payable within
seven days from that time, except an appeal was made.
Mr. Batten asked time for an appeal.
This , concluded the business. and the gentlemen
separated.

LIVERPOOL POLICE INTELLIGENCE

BEFORE MR. MANSFIELD.

STRANGE AND Suspicious C.ksE.--LDetective-officer
Patrick brought up a rather respectable-looking female,'
who gave the name,of Catherine •Baker • alias O'Keefe, on-
the following charge., He.said he 'found the woman
offering about forty ounces of fine silver plate, consisting
of forks, spoons, ladles, and the like, at the shop of a
Mr. Cohen, Great Howar&street, and on asking her
something about it, her replies were not satisfactory, and
he took her into custody. He then proceeded to where
she lived, at No. 1, Sand-street, north end of the town,
and searchedlhe place, where he found some silver plate
of the same sort,. with the crest, &c., erased. He also
found ten pawn-ticketa •relatinc, to plate; gold-watches,
and other property, that had' been pledged by the
prisoner. Ainongst her papers was, a card in " memory
of George. Searight, Esq., who died 14th August, a 1852,
and was interred at St. James' Cemetery, on the 17th
August; 185." The officer Said he thought that there
might be same connection between the card' and some
spoons and forks found in the prisoners: house; on which
the_letter "S" was engraved. When at the station-
house the woman made a long and rambling statement,
which was. taken down in writing, the foll Owing being
tl:4 prominent portions of her story :—She said she was
a native,d,Some pladUnear Charleville,- on the borders of
Xork and Limerick, and ,that her . hushandii. was
Deputy-Governor of, Chester Castle. . .He died! there
about ten years age, and she then went to liondon
with £4OO. 'After that she went to *Cork , arid
Fermoy, and subsequently set hp -a 'drapery
shop in 3:imeriek, where' she lost het-money by giving
credit. She had, as She said, the plate ,all the time, and
that she purchased it originally. at a sale in Cheshire;
she-would not say when the sale was, but that it took
place i.;t a public-house, and there was , a debt
of' £95 due to her by . the person who had the
sale; and, that she took the plate in payment.' In an.
after part of her statement, she said she' had lived five
years as h.ouselieeper at Mr. Parry's'llotel,,ScaeoMbe, that
there was £95 due to her there, and that Mrt'. Parry
became bankrupt, and that she took the plate in payment.
of her debt. The tale 'was Very much longer than the
above, and in many places was incoherent, and the names
of some respectable persons in town were mentioned, but
had- nothing to .do with the case. The prisoner was
remanded for further enquiry.
'BREAKING INTO PREMISES.-John Manson, John
Francis, and Patrick Boardman, well known to the police,
were charged for having broken into the boat-building
premises of Mr. Bragg, Bath-street, on the night •of
the Ist, and stealing about £lO worth of property. Mr.
Black defended. It appeared that on the morning of the
Ist, some boys who were going from the "Bethel Union,"
heard a noise at Mr.,,Bra,,g's yard, and .one of them saw
one of the prisonera outside the gate, who called to
some one inside, that" there were_peopje coming up:. The
prisoner then ran away, and some of the boys folloWed
him, and others went for the:police, who cap-thred the
two prisoners inside, and the third was arrested in the
street. ' They .had, tried- to:force 'open one of Milner's
safes, but could not do se, as it resisted all their efforts.
They were allidentified, and although Mr. Black did all
he could for them, they were sent for trial.