Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-11-16 00:00:00

FESTIVAL CHORAL SOCIETY.

This society gave their sixty-sixth public performance
last night, at the Collegiate Institution, to a room not
much more than half-filled. The performance of the
" Dettingen Te Deuni," which formed the first part of
the concert, vas only remarkable for being very much
ou'; of tune from beginning to end. The second part
was very much better in every respect; it opened with
Romberg's noble composition, " The Transient and
the Eternal," which was the means 'of introducing
to us Miss Helena Walker, a lady who has a
vcry pleasing voice, sings with taste and expression,
and is always—thank Heaven !—in tune : she re-
ceived an encore in the coarse of the evening. The
other solo singers Miss Hodgson' nr. Inkersall, and
Mr. Hittencliffe had nothing remai)kable about them,
except that the latter san very remarkably out of tune.
RombergN cantata was followed b'y the solo and' chorus
"Alma Virgo" of Himmel, the 'solo part sustained by
Miss Walker, and the 'concert concluded with HimmePs
sublime chorus, "11A, death," very effectively given.
Mr. Smith supported the chorus well with the.3rgan;
and Mr. Sanders, ,the conductor, merits great praise for
the cool and skilful manner in which he kept the band
and chorus together, (no easy task, apparently,) and
made the most that could be mado out of the -indifferent
triaterials before him. H.

MEETING OF MR. CARNE'S FRIENDS

SCOTLAND WARD.

A meeir4 of the fridads of C. F, Cane Esq., a can-
didate feethe representation of Scbtland Carne,
in the
Town Council, was .held last evening tit Mr. Ravrtl.orn's,
121, Gertat Howard-greet. The chair was occstied by
Mr. Watson; and, amongst the gentlemen present were
Messrs.• Alderman Dover, Councilltr Shinamin, Lafone,
Jones, Charles HaPi, John Claike Martin, Branch,
Pritcbtrd, E. F. Roberts, Thomas Wilkins, Lowden,
Thomas Barton,Ro-•crt Linaker, Livesey, Edward Seph-
ton,David Thomas, William Rothwell, Davis, &c.

The CnatIIIMAIT (51r. Watson) said—Gentlemen, I
am again sorry to think that our chairman, through in-
divesition, is unable to attend this evening, so that I
am:again obliged to assunre his Place. I am sorry that
theraccommodatian here is perhaps too small; but, how-
'ever, as we bake very little :time now, wewish to be at
work and doing that which we conceive to be right.
flentlemen, I are sure that in commencing this contest
we are actuated by no personal or improper feeling.
Vire are simply about to do that which we conceive
'to be the duty tsf all Englishmen. (Cheers.) Through
the promotion. of Mr. 'Woodruff to :the position ,ef
arldermant a vacancyhas occurred in ,Scotland Ward,
.and it is the 'duty of the electors to select a gentlemen
:from among, us, of suitable •capabilitiesto fill thataffice.
tancl, gentlemen,' I am sure we have mo desire, in the
'course of this contest, to,ereate any'bittemess' but-=too
"use that franchise entrusted to•us 'constitutionally and
• ti-in a proper and . gentlemanly way. We do not wish
:to stir up personal animosities, or „personal feelings,
or personal .asperities, --we are simply anxious to do
what all men alight ,to do for -the interests of
-'the town. inewhich theyreeide. Weaare persuaded that
:all men have, or ought to have, their-own views of these
matters, .and they .oughtto act from-conviction—from a
knowledge Of what is right and wrong. We do not 'for
a moment Wish to deprive any man .of any real solid
liberty. believe as subjects of this great country, we
arc desirous•that all men-should esjoywhat is reasonable
and right, and that every man should act for himself. I
-will not detain you with any lengthened remarks. I have
great pleasure inintroducfng to yournotice our respected
-friend Mr. 'Came. I am quite sure you will 'never
regret returning him to:the Town Council, if it is your
-pleasure to ,do so. Sle is an honest, independent-
'minded man, I am sure. He has gentlemanly manners,
:and is wry accessible at all times—although I do not
aapprove of :troubling our representatives upon every
frivolous 'question. I bare pleasure in introducing,Mr.
(Came to your:notice this-evening. (Cheers.)
Mr. Linailt. read a note of apology for absence
-from Mr..Aldelinan Bennett, in which he expressed his
high °pill:One:A Mr. Came.
Mr. Cana:To on rising i 0 address the meeting, was.re-
oeived wit fa the:greatest •possible enthusiasm, manifested
-in great cheering arid-Waving of hats. On silence being
motored, he said, - Mr. 'Chairman and gentlemen, allow
me, in the 'first dace, to thank you; for your kindness.
It has been mantiened to me that Aast night I over-
looked this part.of my ditty ; but it, was a mere over-
sight, and I now beg to !thank you most sincerely for
your warm reception - on .this and the former occasion.
• I am very gratefdl Sot the honour thus bestowed on me.
bare resided amene. pit and been,a -ratepayer here for
a cer.siderable period," havingheen the lessee of extensive
warehouses for many years in Scotland Ward. This
is °lie ground upon which I call upon you to give
me, your support. It is mriateeest as well as yours to
keep dcwn the rates as far as it can be done ;
not haying been a raenaber ,of the Council, I have
not had an opportunity of, firming or expressing an
:opinion upon all the details affecting this question; yet,
if returned to the Counca, I shall be happy „to give the
whole subject my best attention, and so endeavour by all
means in my power to study economy. There are many
subjects on which you would wish to have my opinion.
consider there is no reason why the -docks should not be
rated. Of course it is urged by:those who hold the
opposite opinion that they ought not to be rated because
they say there is no beneficial interest in the docks.
Ana no doubt it is true that you cannot trace a beneficial
interest to any particular individual.; but at the same
time there is no doubt there is a beneficial interest in the
docks to some parties, who must be benefitted by the fait
that the docks are not rated ; while on the other hand I
cannot conceive that the rates of goods passing through the
town need be pereeptilly effected by any sum that it
could be necessary to levy on the docks; and I see no
reason, therefore, why the docks should not be rated. As
to the schools, I wish to say nothing that would give
offence to a party who are strong. in this ward, but as my
opponent has alluded to the subject, I beg to say that I
entirely differ from him in opinion. I consider that
these schools, in so far as I have had an opportunity of
judging, are doing a great deal of good. There
are few here who, like same parties, would wish to see
, them sold. I consider that the Corporation, in paying
for those schools, are only doing their duty.- Most of
you, perhaps, will not be aware that during the reign
of William 111. the tithes were commuted for one ;
hundred a year paid to the then rector, and a house
These tithes would have amounted to a
for him to reside in. Mr. Came then went on to say :
very enormous •
sum by this time, and and he therefore thought no one ,had ,
a right to complain of the Corporation of' Liverpool, ,
i
who saved the money, spending. some portion of it n
the education of the youth of the town, as well as the ,
sustaining the religion of the state. (Hear, hear.) Now,
lie was a Conservative, and he was proud of being so;
but if anything was wanting to mane him proud of being •

pi !li n
a Conservative, he would find it in the opinions lately
delivered by the head of the party, Lord Derby. (Hear,
hear.) He, in imitation of Sir Robert Peel, whom he
Orr, Came) f9r the right hon. baronet was
tion
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irentt acquiring theo f
loavesthwidelyetil Government,and fishes ;
the last to offer any factious opposition to the present
i-fhstoijemrt ri)tevhlaa syei e f;g2oulrl salh,oll:heee:aos:faei d again, to have heard Lord Derby
sodoyv that,erm ent. notwithstanding
H e(.Ni.r .Carthisne),
provocation,
di
d trus t eunwdoeur one
circumstances in which the country was now 'placed,
Lord Derby would rigidly adhere to that dei:emination
his and hl9er3-sahi?
was certain eviteryw:sne wouldhttpthat he should
sink all minor differences 'when the country was
in that pOsition be fearP7:l it was in at the present
time. Now he would_ refer to another " God speed
matter, and
be gave the preP:ent Government great credit for
taking a step "..,o judicious, he alluded to the forma-
tion of a innd of seamen to be called out in an emer-
gency by the Government of the day. The GovernMent
were subsidising the services of the-Mercantile marine,
and he agreed that the country should pay some little
sum of money towards subsidising those who had
hitherto, without any extra pay, ben always forward
to defend their Queen and country. (Cheers). He
would like to promulgate the fact to all persons present
who had any friends in the seafaring line, who might
be di4osed to volunteer, that they are to receive a
retainer of £6" a year after registering themselves,
and subsequently, when they bad served a certain
:number of years, they were entitled to a, pension.
lie would recommend any one in that. meeting,
having Mende in that profestion, to promulgate
these acts,f for the movement was one .of the bee: :sat
.
had ever been Undertaken, and lie trusted that it would
have its effect. They must, however, all hope that the
:warlike signs, which at mgeat were very threatening,
would soon ai;appear. The signs of the times were
gloomy indeed ; but he hoped, by the measures that
had been taken, any enemy would be effectually deterred
,from attempting to invade this country; and that that
peace, which all Englishmen so much desired, might be
preserved. (Hear.) If any gentleman liked, be would
now allude to the question of the "clicks." (Roars of
laughter, and loud cries of " No.") That being so, then,
he would only say that if any gentleman wished to ask
him any questions he would endeavour to answer them
. in the most straightforward manner in his power.
They would permit him to say that for some years he
was in the 'Vestry, placed there by his friend Alderman
Dover ; but for seine years past he had not been in the
habit of addressing. public meetings of any kind. He
hoped, however, they would believe him that he said
most sincerely, if he was returned to the Council he
would do everything in his power to advance their
interests ; that he would always be accessible' to
his constituents ; that be would endeavour to place
any matter entrusted to his charge in as intel-
ligible a manner as possible before the Council ;
that, laving time, 'he would give his best services
to the interests of the ward as he ought to do ; and that
he hoped to have the pleasure of meeting the burgesses
on s. future day, When he should be able to show them
deeds, instead of giving them words, as a proof of what
he would do in:the future. (Loud applause.)
Three cheers were given for Mr. Came.

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Alderman .DOVER said he appeared before the meeting
`1 that night, not as a member of the Council—not as one
of those peripatetic philosophers who went about, lec-
turing other people—(roars of laughter)—but he came'
there us a ratepayer in their ward—(hear, hear)—and
he was desirous of recommending to them, as they were
men of business, a man of business as their repre-
sentative, (Hear, hear.) Mr. Came was a gentleman,
as he had himself told them, who, although he had not
had a-scat in the Town Council, had had a seat at the
Parochial Board, and having served on that board himself,
he (Alderman Dover) could speak as to the great
amount of services, and of the time and thought
that must be rendered by a man who did his duty,
and, for the time that Mr. Came occupied a seat at that
heard, it seemed that no fault could by any possibility
he found with his public administration, except that ho
stopped at one time a couple of clocks. (Loud laughter.)
Now, was there any one of them, who filled a situa-
tion in life, whether private or public, if the eyes of the
world had been upon him, that could say he had com-
mitted no greater fault than having stopped • a pair of
clocks? (Renewed laughter.) He (Alderman Dover)
was sure, if he were the happy man, he should be
exceedingly proud. (Hear, hear.) But upon the subject
of the clocks, their good friend had been rather modest.
His position as churchwarden was simply this—that
the Parish of Liverpool through its vestry assembled—
and they could only know the voice of the parish by its
appearing in vestry—had declared that there should
no longer be any Church-rates. In what position then
did that leave his honourable friend ? Just this, that
whereas without he had given notice to every.creditor
upon the church estate of the Parish of Liverpool, that
he himself and his coadjutor, Mr. Hutchison, would
not be liable, as there was no Church-rate, they would
have been liable for that year for the sum of
£6,000. (Hear, hear.) It was all very easy to talk
about "stopping the clocks," but they all knew very
well that when the tap was stopped the whole proceed-,
ings must be stopped too. (Hear, hear.) The parishioners
in vestry assembled in their wisdom—he did not say that
he agreed with them in their decision—declared at that
time that there-should no longer be Church-rates, and
therefore, as a prudent man, Mr. Came was in duty
bound, to protect himself, by. giving notice to, amongst
the other creditors of the parish, the gentlemen who had
charge of the clocks, that he would be no longer liable
for any expense incurred in connection with them.
He saw around him a number of gentlemen like himself
in trade, and he was sure that they wished to be repre-
sented by a gentleman who could not only sympathise
with them, but who, with them, felt what the public
burdens were. When he read the addresses of some
gentlemen in the newspapers who had presented them-
selves before the electors as representatives, and when
he had heard of boulevards and grand parks, and other
things of the kind, it appeared to him that they wanted
to make Liverpool not what it ought to be, but some
fabulous place such as they would read of in romance or
in the "Arabian Nights' Entertainment." For his
part, he thought 4s. ,in the pound quite as much
as he was able to pay, and he had looked with
alarm on these great schemes which would entail a rate
of Ss. to 10s. in the pound, for that would be the cost
of them. There was no fear, however, of their friend
being led into these mistaken notions—he would not
call them absurdities, for they might be all very well if
they could be carries' out—but they had not the money
unless they came upon them for an advanced rate—that
he was sure they would be unwilling to pay. He was
sure Mr. Came would be one of those men who would
do his duty to the ratepayers, and not only to them bat
to the working-classes. He was quite sure that he
.would not show any desire to squander the money away
unnecessarily ; but, at the same time, he was such a man
that he would not hesitate to promote the proper sewer-
age of the town, and he would be also willing to widen
the streets in the populous parts of it. A great deal
might be done at a very small cost, that was if they
went to work with the purpose of carrying out matters
of improvement, and at the same time consulted the
interest of the ratepayers. There was one scheme that
had been brought .before the Council some years age,
and one 'which would have taken but little expense to
carry it out; and it was that, in such wards as that,
squares might be formed. If they formed one or
two such squares in Scotland Ward, and one in
Vauxhall Ward, it would be open and of great
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benefit to the people. They would serve as play-
ground for children, and could be used for drying
of two or three miles
clothes, and manly exercises in the evenings.
But boulevards at such a distance could be
mofadneo
exueseeptinat tahe
Efe would ask if a man wearied out with the labour of
the day was likely to walk two or three miles for the
in order that they might be
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and, walkehoeet
access,
lYis eshr,
advocate the widening of the streets. This was the first
opportunity that he had ever had of addressing ihem;
and, he was sure, they would pardon him if he made' a
few remarks relative to the doings of the Council, of
which he had the -honour of being a member for now
say
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aboutiea had
C traducingbouene twhteehr
the Council;
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narstoto.go's
error. He did not mean to say but they had to r
use the words of the liturgy, "done that which they.
ought not to have done, and left undone that which they
ought to have done." If it had been otherwise it should
not have been human, and they were but human. lie
did not intend to say what the Council had pot dune, 1
but what they had done ; and he would tell them that, 1
iu 1846, they went te Parliament to o
I.tain an act to i
tax themselves, for the E.J.poso of promoting the ,;.tith

of
mortalitythe and ther consequence
h
oenseqy 30 peruencew cent. _rfwadiDjuei, thatas, sir
the
thw
was reduced
to ask them to look at the amount of
saved to working men—tb- , (nifferisgAikey had
Loss of tame during Sickness,
and expense con-- - •
had -Vlent on, that sickness. If the Council-,
uone nothing
more titan to reduce the mortality
thirty per '.":;nt., it had done a great and a glorious
~,ut the Council had done more than that. They
we 7e: to look at the baths the museum, the gardens, and'
musical treats for the working classes in St. George's
vihich were unequalled in the country. They could not
do this, and then tell him that the Council was worn out
—that the members should be turned out, and it re-
formed. He did not dispute that they should have new
blood infused into it ; and, therefore, he had come there
to ask them to send as their representative Mr. Came.
He knew that he was addressing- tradesmen, and no
doubt money was valuable to them. From that, he
therefore argued, that When the question of dock rating
arose, and Mr. Came found that by the docks being
rated the rating on his warehouses would be reduced,by
some twenty or thirty per cent., it would act as a kind
of stimulant to him; and if nothing else but the pocket
interest influenced him, that would urge him to do all
he could to carry it out. There were no doubt a num-
ber of them present who had heard of frequent dif-
ferences about the rates of carting, and he did not know
- any one who was so well qualified to go into such a
question or a gentleman with so much practical ex-
perience as Mr. Came had. Mr. Came had said that
he (the alderman) was the means of introlueing him to
the vestry, but he was not aware of that till then. He
would say to Mr. Carne if he were elected, as he hoped
he should, for him to go into the Council unpledged to
any party, calling no man master, and wearing no
man's livery; and if be fOlowed that line of conduct he
ifinz their interest. He did not mean
would be --
A he entered tile Council
to say that a man wut. if of his political feelings,
Chambers could divest himse, e, vote to be influenced
hut if he went there, and allowedly.. -vietion of what
by his, political feeling, against his con. • ,
nIS con.
was right, then he would not be servii.,,
stituency. He hoped the day was not far tstm4
though he confessed it had not yet arrived, when'
the subject of politics would not be mentioned in con-
nection with Town Council business. This, however,
could not come from one side, hut from both ; and he
believed the common sense of the town would force it
upon the Council. He had nothing more to say of Mr.
Came, but as his conduct had been satisfactory to
them, both as a churchwarden and while in
the vestry, he thought he would be a very useful man
in the Town Council. lie could not sit down without
saying a word or two in favour of Mr. Shell and Mr.
Crellin, their representatives, who were two of the most
useful men in the Town Council ; and be should be very
sorry if, when these gentlemen presented themselves for
re-election, they should not be returned. He concluded,
by moving that Mr. Came be the representative of the
ward in the Town Council.
Mr. MamitN seconded the motion.

Mr. LAFONE said he was much fatigued, but if they
did not all understand it already, he would say a word
with respect, to the question of the clocks.
A Voice—" We have all got watches, let the clocks
drop."
Mr. LAFONE went on to say that Mr. Came could not
go on tick. He did not think that Mr. Aspinall was
the man to represent them in the Town Council, because
as a solicitor if he were engaged in a case against the
Town Council, it would be his duty, in justice to his
client, to mulct the Council as far as possible. He asked
any of them who bad read the speeches of Mr.
Aspinall and of Mr. Came and compared them,
what was their opinion of the two candidates.
He hoped they would not let electioneering squibs be
used, but that they would use all legitimate
means to return Mr. Came on Friday next. He also
hoped there would be no improper influence used 'on
any religious sect, as had been done some years ago.
They ought to allow men, no matter who, to go his
own way to heaven. In the town of Liverpool it
had been a system not to employ those who were not
of their own persuasion ; but he considered it would be a
disgrace to ask a man whether he was a Roman Catholic
or a Protestant before he was employed. He did not
think that boulevards were required in Liverpool. There
were no other wards so neglected as Scotland and Vaux-
hall Wards had been, and he thought by having such
men as Mr. Came in the Council they should be no
longer neglected.
Mr. Snml nN, who on rising was greeted with cheers,
said he never shrunk from his duty ; and he considered
it his duty, however unprepared, to add his testimony
to the high moral character and great business talents of
Mr. Came. He had the pleasure of knowing him for
fifteen years, and he thought Scotland Ward would do,
themselves an honour by placing him at the head of the
poll on Friday.
The CMAIRMAN then put the resolution proposed by
Alderman Dover, which was adopted amid loud cheers.
Mr. CARPE then moved a vote of thanks to ,the
chairman, and the meeting separated.