Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-01-13 00:00:00

ament to that effect

Lived that it should be fully carried out, and if such was

if all the otices were under one roof,. he would

•nneal to the'Town-clerk to confirm what he said, that it

-N;c:uld be a saving of at least X7OO per annum
beyond that, all the write'
lance of the town(

Jerk, which, ai the work could be done

in one room, would also effect
Then, as to finance. They had beeni6formedthat the uric
of the land on the west of the Exclaang
to £5O per yard, while that in Dale
worth more' than £6 or ET; so that in that point of view

:ewa9 worth frOm X

treet was not

the question .becomes one of great importanc
be} and all others,,he thought that of all the dep
under the surveillance of the Town-clerk, which
to Dal

laments

if they w

;-street

one of
hat he

ierefore it was

,mendment

rner wished to know whether, .at the

Alderman

icted to

time t

I as 'to th

property.
that time

,reet was the only site the

committee had in "view

The Tovn-elerk replied th

site mentioned, and at the time he had stated that it
would be a great improvement to have the offices at
Cornwallis-street concentrated with the other offices.
Sheil: If the Town-clerk gave his opinion on the

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n, he can do so non
clerk said he thought it would be a great
1 improvement to have all the public offices

ad*auta;

concentrated in
Mr. \V. Earle disk
to Dale-street, as there
Mayor would leave to no with t
there would only be in a back str

,veil of the remcrvel of the c
mid not be a doubt but the

'eet, he thcit

ht it would

,tingly inconvenient

derman Dover, in seconding the amendment,
)posing that they were to go to the expense of
the offices from Cornwallis-street to Dale-Street,
nise would be, as estimated, about £67,000 ; and
sere to be taken to the other side of that build=
in., the cost would be no less than £78,000. He
thought that taking the buildings to the Exchann would
not

removm

the exp!

concentrating them, for they Would have to go from
one building to another, and that would be attended.with
great inconvenience ; therefore, faking all the circum-
stances into the 'case, he thought. the removal to Dale-
street would he the best, 'arid, therefore, should second
he amendment.
Mr. Pictou.said he felt a very gm-
to any positive conclusion on the subject.
.great ad.vantage that would arise, if all the' business was
concentrated
.and performed in one eentral'place ; but,
still, at the same time,'he should not like to say that he
opposed the motion, because, taking all things into con-
sideration, if the offices were not all concentrated under
roof, they
.would be in 'the same locality. But he
not go into the question of costs; further than to
placed very little reliance on the. estimates
_ ; for, on one occasion
had brought forward an estimate'
the cost of the building, haviam
quite forgot that, ana, as O. the price that should be paid
so many gentlemen who were
to
the land, there were
better nenneinted with that
subject than he was himself,'
ma on
therefore he would not gointo but -take the matte
en brut
that,' was
a j4cli higher footing, . He
.1 "1-
ooly for the antiquity o the Town-hall itself, which had
stood for such a number of years, ,the Liverpool people
should be proud of it—for it had witnessed their rise in
Ile commercial world, that it would be wro4g to jieglect

A difficulty in coming
He felt the

on sncli occasion

n. prey

iniitted t

It. r He th_ought, as they must have a central Municipal
office' .in which • for the. Mayor to bp-officially located,
they had no right to leave the ancient building,
.Con-
nected 'with.whieh:were so many. pleasing reminiscences
although some of the advocates for. going into ..Dale-
street; had )said, Oh, pull. it (loin:, and„ let's sell the
land, and put the money into the public coffers"—and
concluded bygiving
his support to the motion as Pro-
g
posed hy Mr. Turner, ,observing, that although
.the
difference might be slight, he 'thought the o.dYantarres
• .

were in favour, of the original motion.
.•,'
Gardner advocated the removal of the
rrown•lfall.offices to 1.1:11e-street.:

Mr..,Alder,taan Parker said, If was very well to propose
fine Klienies,.4l4t.,_wheyqußa.,t4e - motley to come from
Tbk.ho,lth-,2eOmmitt(

at@,, Council
,to go to :PariLiniela.

4.1-I,ited with the i'v'atch committee

pki-stetdod :ti

-certain •aniount of 'honey. That money, Was now laid
erat, there was. "Oka penny to lay a hriek in Dale-street,
end,now .th3y were asked to go
.for an additional sani of
money; ending pro.bablyin a: borough rate,

Iftl-Aiderrnaii S. HOlrue, said, lit; should be, very un-
willing to allow this subject to be.. either passed or

atived, without somewhat

surprised Mr: Picton'S
speech,' because, ,on a,
,former occasion, 0.4 gentleman
had been .an advocate ,for the removal, in :consequenCe
of the insufficiency•of the Council .chamber, and hia
desire that' •the :public Should be admitted. to hear VA-0
elegant tropes and figures, . of which he had that day
favoured them with severakspecimens. (Hear, hear, and.
laughter.) .Mr.• Picton„was so much struck, with
,the ,
prestige of locality, that he bad just delivered one of .the,
Conservative speeches he (ik..Holine) ever-heard in
his life. (Laughter:) -He • (Mr.. Reline) scarcely knew-
any question- upon which he found it more difficult to
snake up.his mind. First, it was admitted upouall hands
that,' n consequence of . the great, extension of public
business, particularly arising from the addition of
the health and the water committees,. it _was found
almost impossible to conduct the business _ if
spread ',over various parts of. the town.. It was, perfectly
manifest that, the business had overgrown the. offices. in
Cornwallis-street, and at ike, same time'
,it was equally
manifest that,.however much they might value the. Town-
hall, they coald not preserve the business in the offices
of. the Town-hall, nor could they by any,possibility make
anytxten.sion upon. iti present site, They were told, by
the Town-clark that it Was absolutely necessary for the
public business. that -there should be a concentration of
the. establishment. If the Town-clerk were to be, re-
newed out of. the Towa-hall, and. Mr., Topping and the
leasing department, or the Surveyor .with his constant
references to the Town-clerk upon all legal ques-
tions, were to be left behind, it would be. highly
impolitic, and, in fact, mould be only half doing -the
work. (Hear, hear.) He had no doubt, whatever, in
his own mind, that the Town-hall repository was:exceed-
ingly unsafe, and • that if ever a fire: did:, happen the
corporation documents would be placed in considerable
jeopardy. (Hear, hear.) Now,, it had. been decided to
destroy a 'locality which wasu disgrace to the town.;:. In
destroying that they would be..creating a new municipal
centre ; while, at the same time, he admitted that they
_would be removing the municipal from the commercial
-centre of the town. But with the great, the increasi,
commerce of Liverpool, he did not know that it

more detailed

was a littl

might no

be kind an advantage to, give the
present centre , to the commerce of the
Own, and he saw no difilculty,.except regret,.for leaving
that building, in, removing the present municipal centre
to a differeneposition. The taking 2,000 square yards of
land near the .Town-hall would, he conceived, be an
impolitic and expensive arrangement. Taking that land
at £3O the square yard, which, he conceived, would be
about the price; it would be about £69,000. Then, the
building to be •erected there, ,taking it at a mu,ch less
coat than the: beautiful structure erected opposite. by
the Fire and Life :,Insurance Company,, might be
estimated at £40,000,, which would give the cost of

placing the offices in that,site as £100,00., But if the
offices were concentrated' in Dale-street, where-they
were 'already concentratinc, their magisterial police
establishments, and would probably have the post-office,
--(hear, hear) —2,000, square yards of land might be
estimated at £8 a-yard, which would give 516,000 fur the

land. They would not need. so expeisive a Imiildipg there
as if they took the present site, and, therefore, they might
put it down: at £35,000, which would five £51,000
instead of £lOO,OOO for the coast4of concentration. He

areed that, it was' inevitable that. that beautiful Town
Hall, with whtch.they had associated so many recollec-
tions on 'Which they all delighted to dwell, must be
extent 'deserted.. It . would, of course, be
1 inconvenient for the Mayor to be left there, when

to som

Town-clerk's, .au.d. - other .departments, had been
removed, in solitary dignity. It . would eventually be
found that the*Mayor must follow the offices. However,
Liverpool was growing at a very huge, rate,, and the
ddmands- and somewhat requirements of commerce were
. _

pressing, the municipal offices out of their present centre.
He was, however, scarcely prepared to say, without further
consideration,.: and without going into, things involving
not Only precuniary but other questions, to come to a
decided vote upon the question, and, therefore he should
feel it his duty to vote for the motion of Mr. Turner. ;
Mr. Robertson Gladstone said, if ever there was an
occasion when sentiments .pointed in one direction and
the promised vote in another, they had now- the instance!
fairly before them. (Hear, hear, and laughter) In .the
discussion that had taken place he had heard one or two
persons, additional to those lie had previously heard as to
why this change should be carried out. The arguments
which:had been used to and fro, coupled with the con-.
trast they afforded to the promised vote with which they
had ended, puzzled him almost as much as the man was
puzzled who, on having neglected Lis time-piece went to the
window of a. watchmaker's , shop to see what time it was
when he saw before him a variety of, clocks pointing. to
all the hours and minutes .of the
,day. The arizuments

all on the .oth

of the e9annittee (Mr

admitted that he had, completely. forgotten
the thread• or what he intended to say, from which it .was
fair to infer that that gentleman's mind had not been,
made up on this subject, •or that what he had .fOrgotteri
did not bear much upon what he had thought fit
to say. It was only natural to suppose that Mr. Turner
would have come with something cut and dried the
shape of a resolutioni.instead, of ,which he had to depend
,unmi what might occur • to him at the spur of ;the

Ttirner) had

noment, and th

whol

say that it

had not been dealt wi