Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-10-07 00:00:00

LIMI

remains yet to be seen

and it is this-

self- upon having done so much 'for the good of Liver-
pool, and think his fortress is impregnable in the ward
'referred to, yet I think there could be found one equal,
if not far superior, to represent the Litue-street con-
stituency.

Had not that well-deserved tribute of respect been
paid by the Town Council to J. B. Lloyd, Esq.,
by electing him an Alderman of the borough by a
triumphant majority, Mr. Jeffery would have been
sternly and .manfully opposed by himl at the ensuing
knows, the abilitieS".of Mr.
of- great business habits or

d, either

) one w

zent let

ker, -Would have the s'

defeat in that 'card had Mr. Lloyd not been elected to

the aldermauic chair.
But it appears by Mr. Jeffery's address, that he is con-
fident of being. returned—yes, that ha will have a clear
Yrthe aura,

but I am much
deceived in the conservatism of Liverpool and the Con-
stitutional Society if this tura out to be the case. An
opportunity is now offered to the supporters of cOnsti-
tutioilal liberty and religious freedom to test the strength
of the Liberal parties ut,:the ensuing election. Why

"walk over

not endeavour 'to secure the serviceB of the talented
and respected Dr. Neil in the Town Connell, or some
such 'other gentlenian-ofliighstanding in Liverpool, to

repres

record thl
Ward.—l

Inn-street Ward

I have no.m

t another week, you shall have to

dress of a nu

ar, you!

,ciid;,te for Lime-street

A'SOUND CON6TITUTIONALIST

Liveipool, Oct. 6, 1859

THE GREAT EASTERN AT HOLYHEAD.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN DAILY TIMES

Six,—ln common with most of your readers, I have
no doubt, I regret that the Great Ship Company have
adopted the plan of handing over the Great Eastern,
during her st'.7 at Holyhead, to the London and North-
-
,Western Railway Company. It will be seen from the
advertisements issued by the Ship Company, and also.
by the Railway Company named; that no steam-boats
are to be allowed alongside , the Great Ship, save those
belonging to the London and North-Western Railway
'Company ; and that paisengeis arriving otherwise than..
by their, railway, must be landed at Holyhead,- and
;obliged to apply there for tickets for ferryage and
;admission to the ship: The effect of this practically is
to exclude froni the sight, the numerous passengers wli-o
would have mailed themselves of cheap steam-boat trips.
'from Liverpool, and which, while it will deny to thou-
sands a pleasuie looked forward to for some time, cannot
fail seriously to lessen the receipts of the Great Eastern
' &c., Vic. I repeat
tiia t ship
itB
Company.
The country has been in the habit of speaking of
this
asgreaatniyatitoonbael enterprise
that the Ship Company
se
should have adopted so narrow and unpopular a course.
If the arrangement be.not a job amongst the two con-
i
cerns, I sincerely hope the decision may be reconsidered.
. ' • ONE OF THE PUBLIC.
Liverpool, Oct. 6, 1859. . .

-.-4.----

,;DDEN DEATH."

AWFULLY SF

TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN DAILY TIMER,

Srn,—Observing in yesterday's paperstiratbei erro-
neous account of a man, by name of 31acKennii. drop-
ping down dead from being " choked," whilst _getting
his dinner at an eating-house in Dawson street, o
Sunday last, I beg to say the term " suffocated" would
have been more 'appropriate inasmuch as " choking "
implies some foreign body '(a fish bone, for instance)
sticking in the oesophagus or gullet.)
In this case, however, I found, on making the post
modem examination, a lump of meat, weighilig. one
ounce, firmly impacted in the trachea, (or 'windpipe),
which; no doubt, caused instantaneous death.—l am
sir, your obedient servant,

J. W. EVANES,
Late Army Surgeon.

146, Lime-street, Oct. 6, 1859

Experiments have been made in the Champ de Mara
with a new steam carriage, intended to run on common
roads. The trials are .considered successful..
THE BROUGHAM BANQUET AT EDNIITTROE.--TEis
banquet, which was postponed from January last, is now
expected to take place on Wednesday, the 26th inst.

MERSEY DOCKS AND HARBOUR BOARD

At the weekly meeting of the Dock Board yesterday,
Mr. CHARLES TeuNER, the chairman, presided ; and the
other members present were—Messrs. Anderson, Lang-
ton, Graves, Rankin, Inman, Mondel, Hubback, Little-
dale, Shand, Boult, Forwood, Arnold, Smith, Bushell,
Farnworth, and Segar.

THE WORKS COMMI'TTEII-THE APPROACHES TO

THE RIVER, &C

• " • 'de a
Fromthe proceedings of this oommt e, at appeared
that a letter had been received from Messrs. Sharpies,
Jones,.ir C0,,-intimating their intention to give up, after
a certain .date, the 2,681 yards on the Harrington
estate, of which they are at present the tenants.
A letter had been read from Mr. Feriday Smith, ap-
plying for a reduction of the half-year's rent, for the
six cranes at the Bridgewater Dock, on the ground that
arrangements for the timber trade at the North-end had
not been completed as promised.—Referred to the Engi-
neer and Harbour-master. to ascertain whether or not
the cranes had been in full operation.
A letter had also been received, inquiring whether
500 yards of land, three cranes, and water space, could
be had by the Shropshire Union Railway and Canal
Company, for the purpose of carrying on their timber
business ; and an answer had been returned that, till
the docks for the inland carrying trade be farther ad-
vanced,.the board would not be prepared to make an
arrangement.
A communication from Mr. Drysdale, inquiring the
rent of 1,000 square yards of land, on the east of
Regent-road, had been referred to the Engineer.
An offer from Messrs. Joseph Bagley & Co., to supply
a quantity of tow ; and from Mr. James Mackay, to
supply 5,000 feet of American oak, were recommended
for acceptance.
. A letter was then read from Messrs. R. Newell and Co.,
inquiring whether the Birkenhead Docks would be again
opened by. the Ist of June, 1860 ; and it had been re-
solved that the board could not give any pledge that
.they would • be opened then, although the Engineer
.capected that he would be able to accomplish it.
The following very important report was then sub-
mitted •

REPORT or Tux Wonxs COMMITTEE as to the New Approaches
to the Landing Stages at Liverpool and Birkenhead, for
Horses, Carriages, Carts, and Goods Traffic, referred to them
' by the following Resolution of the General Board, dated 7th
i April, 1859:---
" That in the opinion of this board, it is of the highest im-
portance to the interests of this trust, which are now so deeply
involved in the progress and success of Birkenhead, that every
possible facility be obtained for the passage of the river, as
regards goods, produce, and passengers.
" That it be:referred to the Works Committee to ascertain
the cost of meeting the suggestion of the Birkenhead Commis-
loners, and to communicate with them and the Corporation
-Liverpool, as to the proportion of the cos: to be borne by
respfctiye bodies interested therein, and that the commit-
`all be at liberty to consider and report upon any other
ey may conceive -Calculated to carry out the objects
tby the aorentlssioners of Birkenhead.
minittee have to report that, in pursuance of this
4 had an interview with the Finance Committee
of the ToWn Council, and ascertained ,that the Corporation
declined to bear any portion of the expense. Your committee
liare also ascertained from the Birkenhead Commissioners that,
?s all the improvements at Woodside will be made upon the
estate of this board, they would prefer paving a fair percentage
on the gross amount of their luggage traffic.
Your committee have to report, that from the best informa-
tion they have been able to obtain, the present cattle, carriage,
cart, and goods traffic between the various Cheshire ferries and
'Liverpool amounts to about £7,000 per annum.
The committee consider that, with the facilities whichwould
be ifforded by the engineer's proposed plans, this traffic will
be greatly Increased, not only by similar traffic to that from
'rich the present revenue is derived, but also by a large
of dock and railway traffic, when the docks are fairly

•eso?utiou, th

completed and in operation:
The engineer reports the cost of the proposed new approaches
on the Liverpool side at £38,500, and at Woodside at £20,000,
being a total of £58,500.
.He estimates the annual cost of maistaining
these in efficient repair at £1,099 ; but say .. £1,200
The cost of poliee, &c., may be estimated at... 350
To' which must be added interest at 4 per cen:.. 2,340

Making a total annual r
The engineer reports that by us,thr
timber instead of iron girders h
can reduce the cost of the bridges
from
Viz.:—On the Liverpool side of

,0A of 43,890

.ver, from.

And at Woodside in the cost of the
floating road to the • proposed

£38,504 to £33,500

stage, from £20,000 to £15,500
and this plan, if adopted,' will reduce the annual charge £3BO,
being the interest at 4 per cent. on the saving of cost, £340.
The annual charge, therefore with iron girders will be
£3,890, and with wood £3,510, and the expease of inaintaining
the structure will be the same an either plan.

Your committee are of opinion that the different Cheshire
'ies. using the proposed approaches, should contribute
i.rds the interests and other ehars . pent on the
fair basiA of

ioneay, and the follow

rrangernent

appears to them to be

That the Birkenhead Commissi

should contribute 25

r gent. of the gre

I.by them

all traffic, in fact,

given with any additional fulness since. At present,
they were •asked to accept a tender for tow_ and
American 'oak. Now, the American ()al, was five
thousand feet, amounting to a good many hundred
pounds, aid of what it was for, no information
was given whether for the Dock-yard—to be sunl: in
the " bottemless pit"—or applied to any useful purpose.
In the next place, he wished to atik the Chairman,of
the Works Committee, or his representative for the
time being, whether his attention had been called to
certain sales of land, or negotiations for sale, which had
recently taken place at 13irkenheall The board were
made by award to pay 14s. a yard for land at Wallasey-
pool, most part of it covered by the tide every day in the
year, and which had never yielded rent, or any value
whatever. Now, at Birkenhead, the Commissioners were
recommending the sale of a picked piece of land in
Hamilton-square, for 15s. a yard, with four frontages.
The CnAtumAN---Ready now, Mr. Boult, the sale of
land is not before the board, in any shape or way.
Mr. BOULT said the valuation of land which they had
to purchase at Wallasey Pool, they had to do with. It
was before the board, because it was going on ; and he
wished to ask the question, as fixing its value. He was
merely going to say that the Birkenhead Commissioners
sold land in the Park for 3s. 4d., and a discount of 20
per cent. eff, which made it 2s. Bd. That land was
already enclosed.

The CHAIRMAN—ReaIIy, you are zoing
not before the board.

Mr. BOULT said he had merely mentioned this, that the
chairman of the Works Committee might bring it before
the arbitrators, because they were paying far too much.
Mr. RANKIN, in reply, said, if Mr. Boult had looked
through the proceedings, he would have seen that the
oak was for coveting bridges. It was much less expen-
sive than teak, and Mr. Hartley thought it would answer
the purpose as well. The other matter was entirely in
the hands of the arbitrators, and whether the price fixed
was too much or too little, he was afraid t

hey could

not help it. '
The proceedings were then confirmed.
The Engineer obtained leave to run dry the Queen's
half-tide dock, after evening tide on the 23rd inst., f.r
cleaning and repairing, giving the usual notices.
The proceedings of the Warehouse Committee were
then read and confirmed. The Marine Committee had
not met during the week.
TRE PILOTAGE COMMITTEE.—LICENSING MASTERS AND

MATES OF COASTING STEAMERS,

The following very important resolutions were sub-
mitted :
The Pilotage Committee having again proceeded to discuss
the subject (so often already under their consideration) of the
propriety of licensing, under the 340th section of the Merchant
Shipping Act, 1854, the master or mate of any coasting steamer
to pilot his owa vessel ; and having also considered the opinions
expressed by the Board of Trade, in .letters dated 30th July
last, and 12th ultimo, and the apparent determination of that
board themselves to issue such licenses under the 342nd section
of the Merchant Shipping Act, 1854, if their committee should
still decline to do so, and having very fully weighed the whole
question In all its aspects--
It was Resolved—That under the circumstances, it be recom-
mended to the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, upon
the application of the owners of any coasting steamers, to
admit to examination, and, if he shall be found competent,
to license the master or mate of any such steamer, to pilot
the vessel to which he may for the time being belong, and
while such vessel shall continue the property of the same
owners, but subject to all the existing rules and regula-
tions relating to Liverpool pilotage, except in so far as
they are necessarily varied by this present resolution.
Resolred---At the same time, that that this. committee con-
sider it their duty to record that they adopt this resolution,
principally in deference to the desire and determination so
expressed by the Board of Trade, and without being able
. .

to divest themselves of the apprehension which they ha'
entertained, that the change is hazardous.

Mr. SHAND moved that the proceedings be confirmed;
mad that the resolutions read be adopted. He did not
mean to say that the resolutions contained all that they
recommended to do; but they were called upon to do
no more. The only thing that could be found
fault with, was the expression of the feeling of the corn
mittee as to the policy of such a course, though they
had passed it without any other reservation than basing
a resolution upon it.
£38,500 to £49,00 I Mr. Bon= seconded the motion.

Mr. EVANS observed that the Pilotage Committee'
were going- contrary •to their judgment. Now he
apprehended that the Board of Trade had- not asked
them to do anything of the sort ; and he should put it
to them, whether it was consistent with the dignity of
the board that such a document as that should go out—
that a resolve should go out contradicting itself—the
one resolution recommending a certain course,„ and the
other immediately condemning it. He should move
that the latter resolution be left out altogether, as quite

both the committee 'an

unnecessary, and in other respects injurious;. and, I
would state, derogatcir
bard

Mr. BUSHELL seconded the amendment. He quite
agreed with Mr. Evans, that if the' Pilotage Committee
thought it right .to act upon the' suggestions of the
Board of Trade, they should do- it more graciously than
the second resolution would indicate. He thought they
were stultifying themselves. by passing a resolution, ad-
mitting they were subject to pressure, against their
own convictions. He did not quarrel with the first res'
lution, because he thought it a necessity. He

objected

to the second. - -
The CHAIRMAN said the Pilotage Committee was
composed not only of members of that board, but flier-
Chants of standing in the town. One-third, at
least, must not be members of that Board ;I:and he
thought it would be rather hard—the committee
feeling, no doubt, a difficulty upon
,the subject—if they
could not record their own convictions. He thought, so
far as the board was concerned, that they might pass
the first resolution without adopting the latter, but leav-
ing it upon the minutes to show the feeling of the com-

mittee.'
Mr. EVANS-Why is it submitted to us, if we have
not power to reject it ?
The CHAIRMAN—It is open to you, but I think it
would be rather hard.
Mr. GRAVES thought the committee had a perfect
right to record upon their own minute book their convic-
tion on the matter. The reception of it would not bind
the board in any way. As a matter of courtesy, they
received it. The Dock Board he supposed, as the
responsible parties, would have to communicate with
the Board of Trade upon the subject; and he had no
doubt that communication would be based upon the first
resolution.
Mr. 13otnir said, as he was one of those who concurred
in passing the resolutions as they stood, perhaps he
might say a few words
,in reply to the speakers who had
just sat down. In the first place, he might say that
they were,' in fact, acting under a compulsion of this
kind. The Board of Trade placed before the Pilotage
Committee a choice of two evils. They said, you shall
either have separate independent authority for licensing
pilots for the port withbut your concurrence, or we shall
do what we require yQII ick,..do. The Pilotage Coin-
mittee thought a divided authority was a greater evil
than any hard' that might arise from- licensing those
other men, those mates and captains, and they therefore
determined to yield. He (Mr. Boult) did not profess
to have-a: practical opinion worth anything upon this
question; but he had found that those members longest
on the committee, and best qualified by their nautical
experience to judr, did feel great apprehenSion that
serious mischief might arise, involving the loss of many
lives, by the adoption of the course forced upon them;
and he therefore felt bound to defer their view of the
matter, so, far at least as that they should put the moral
responsibility of the act where it lies, namely, upon the
Board of Trade, who' had compelled them to adopt it.
He thought they had been too mealy-mouthed' upon
many occasions ; they had spared to speak out, and lay
the responsibility where it ought to be. He thought
the interests of the Trust had suffered thereby,
and he should never be a party to keep back •the full
expression of sentiments which so nearly and dearly
interested:them. them.. Mr. Bushell, in the remark he made,
most surely had forgotten that the whole policy of that
Ttorust,. for the last few years, had been to give way
preessoniurep.uisiTon,heyanwderewespreendniontg
allowedmillions t
'ofo spend
. moneyjudgment.
upon
that money according to their own The
practical management and control of their own affairs
had been taken out of the hands of the ratepayers most
undeservedly, impertinently, and unjustifiably' It
had been done by Act of Parliament. The
present was one little consequence of their first
giving way. However, they were in difficult circum-
stances, and must make the best of it. They must
either submit to yield, or have two independent pilot
authorities in the rye ; and he thought that, as they
were yielding under compulsion, they should let the
fact be known.
After- a few words from Mr. Langton, which, were
inaudible,
Mr. Slum) said they might shape as
.they pleased'
their communication to the Board of Trade ; but as the
chairman had remarked, the Pilotage Committee was
peculiarly constituted, and they had recorded what their
opinion was. • •
Mr. ETAws---But we need not endorse it.
Mr. SaLarp—lt is not necessary that you should en-
dorse anything, but that you have received such a de-