Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-17 00:00:00

made
_with it,

until the bill of the Lord Chancellor was

before them, so that the provision of both bills might bE

considered together

After some observations from Mr. Vance, Mr. J. D
Fitzgerald, Mr. Crawford, and other members,

Lord J. Russell expressed his willingness to postpone the
committee till after the rival bill was before them.
The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be

committeed on that day fortnight

REGISTRATION OF COUNTY VOTERS (SCOTLAND), &

The Registration of County Voters (Scotland) Bill was
read a second time, as was the Elections Bill.

LUNATIC POOR (IRELAND) BILI

On the motion for going into committee on the Lanatic
Poor (Ireland) Bill,
Colonel Greville moved that the bill be committeed that
day six months. He objected to the mode in which the
Board of Management was elected by the grand jury, and
to the absence of a proper system of audit..
Lord Naas said that the bill was altogether founded
upon the report .of the commissioners, from which it did not
differ in any important point. It was necessary to alter the

present system, which was open to grave objections. There
was already in the bill a sufficient check on the accounts, and
of the mode of electing the board of governors. lie was
not decided on any particular system, but was willing to
defer it to the opinion of the house.
Mr. Mr. J. D Fitzgerald objected to the provision by

which the expense of maintaining these lunatics was thrown
upon the occupier instead of half being taken by the owner
as at present. " Ile further found fault with the power of
government vested by the bill in the grandjury, who did not
represent the ratepayers. These last would then be deprived
of all control. He proposed that the bill be referred to a
select committee. His main objection to the bill was the
great abuse which might be perpetrated under its provisions,
in consequence of the absence of control. He then moved,
as an amendment, that the bill be referred to a select com-

mittee

Mr. Brady supported the amendment. It was not fair to
throw the whole expense upon the ratepayers.

Sir W. Somerville likewise supported the amendment,
objecting to the power of electing the Board of Manage-
ment being entirely taken from the Lord-Lieutenant.

Colonel French appealed to Lord Naas to adopt the
proposition of Mr. J. D. Fitzgerald.

Mr. B. Osborne thought the bill so defective that it
could never be made a just or a good bill. The powers of
appointing the Board of Management could not be given to
a worse body of men than an Irish grand jury, which was
chosen on mere political grounds. He supported the
amendment.

Mr. Gregory could not concur in the censures cast on the
Irish grand juries, but thought the bill ought to go before
a select committee.

Lord Naas likewise defended the grand juries from the
imputations of being chosen on political grounds. He did
not think that any good result would arise from any refer-
ence to a select committee in their present state of
difference of opinion; but as such appeared to be the wish
of Irish. members, he would offer no opposition.

After some observations from Mr. Hassard, Mr. Vance,
Mr. Lefroy, Mr. De Yore, and Captain Maclvoy, the amend-
ment of Mr. Fitzgerald was agreed to, the original motion
being withdrawn.
OATHS BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on the Oaths
Bill,
Mr. Bouverie, in reply to Mr. S. Estcourt,who demanded
what the bill meant, explained that it was simply intended
to remedy an inadvertence in the• Oaths Act of last year, by
which the Quakers were compelled to make an affirmation
contrary to their consciences. The bill only placed them in
a position which they had occupied for more than a century.
Mr. Bentinck Observed that the words proposed to be
omitted contained nothing but a promise to defend the
Queen, to which no one fit for a responsible post could object.
The bill passed through committee.

The Recreations Grounds Bill pass-ea through committee.
The Municipal Elections Bill, as amended, was consi-
dered, and various alterations introduced.
The report of the Committee of Supply was then brought.

up.
The Mutiny, the Marine Mutiny, and the County Courts.
Bills were read a third time and passed.
The house then, adjourned at five minutes to ten.

THE OVRB,LAND, ROUTE.—A Calcutta correspondent says
that the Peninsular and Oriental Company have not a
singlo vacant berth before June, and the overland route is
in effect dosed. Sir J. Lawrence, for example, has been
refused a passage, and compelled to go via Bombay.
FEARFUL. GALE ON THE CUMBERLAND} COAST, AND
GREAT Loss OF LIFE.—One of the most serious of the
many. gales that have this winter dealt death and de-
structlon on the Whitehaven coast commenced on Thurs-
day night. In the afternoon of that day the sloop Hope,
Robert Charnley, master, from Liverpool, whet near
Ravenglass, struck on Selkirk Rock, and immediately went
down, the captain and all the hands perishing; she
was laclon with vitriol. Another vessel, a schooner, was
seen to go down near the same place, but farther out at
sea; name unknown at present ; all hands lost. On Fri-
day the Mary Jane, of Fleetwood, was driven by the
violence of the gale on shore. The vessel being light, and
the tide at flood, she ran up on the beach high and dry at
Braystones, near Whitehaven. Several vessels have put
into Whitehaven, some dismasted, others w
.loss c?f
especially onith Fr day, is
sails, &c. Altogether the gale,
described by old sailors as one of the. most fQ4thl, thoy
over witnessed,7-217eloq,Ftic Daily chronicle.

THE
INIERSEY DOCKS AND
HARBOUR WORKS BILL.

[PROM' OUR OWN REPORTER.]
HOUSE OF COMMONS, WEDNESDAY

to-day ; the light Hon. Sir George•Cornewall Lewis in th

Mr. Merewether ,said that Mr. Tan

giving an ex

evidence which

lanatioh: in reference to a portion c

gave yesterday

Mr. Turner sai:A. he believed the evidence

ch he had

given on the previous day in reference to the liabilities c
the dock trust had been inisappreilendei, and he was therefor
desirous of entering: into a short exolanation. He ha

given the surf

s revenue of 1857 at £BO,OOO, f

certain deductions were to be Made which ani

£70,000, leaving onl

must be remembered that the year 1858

year, owing to the co=

months which had since expired, the dock

an increase over the preceding

Ile esti=

;ed land on the Liver

value of a million sterling

vas an eau

Darimr.

ear of X 23,000, and the to- ,

the probable

,ddition to NI

fool. side of the Mersey of the

[mitts of t

from time to time, and

ten ti

a ver

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The Chairman : Can you forr

revenu

were cot

might

of the revenue that will accrue- from the Birkenhead

works

Mr. Turner : At a rough estimate,.l should say about
£110;000.

Mr. Webster : There may be a difference of opinion on
that. We believe that alternately Birkenhead will produce
a greater revenue than Liverpool.
The Chairman: Yes, but we only want facts. That

admission goes against your ease

ras I understand,

au are trying to show that there will be a deficiency of

funds.
Mr. Webster : All I want is to ascertain, the facts

The Chairman (to Mr. Turner

Assuming that the

revenue to be derived from the Birkenhead works will
amount to £llO,OOO per annum, would it not imply some

corresponding reduction in the revenue on•the Liverpool
side ? Are you entitled to estimate an increased revenue to

the trust from that source, without making a.>eorresponding
reduction in the Liverpool receipts ?
Mr. Turner : Thero will be a considerable increase of

trade, from, which we

hall derive an in

of course the amount of increase is a it

evenue, but

lation I

ere matter of specu-