Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-29 00:00:00

who were hot the Men to have supported an empirical measure.
If, however, by the phrase, it was meant that the measure
Was experimental, the country would, he believed agree
that
Wit him that the experiment was greatly successful. Since
h time, the country had enjoyed better legislation,
greater prosperity, and more internal peace than durin e
period of our history. He would gladly have considered
one.
,at teaSt during his lifetime, that settlement to be a final t
objihis, however he had long felt to be impossible, The grea
ect of Refo'rmers ought to be to prevent further altera-
tion, and it was evident, from the speech of Lord. Stanley,
that he violated, in the present instance, that imposrrtaaan-t
Pfinciple, as much as he regarded the future. di f
rhisement of the small boroughs as inevitable.
lande been of opinion as to reform within the last month
°
ao en 'very great. Lord Derby accepted office for the
el,'w.ed Purpose of stemming the torrent of democratic ten-
the ; yet his Government had proposed the reduction of
the 450 occupancy to £lO, and as a counterpoise proposed
iehee transfer of the borough
.voters,half of which counter-
-7,77e. without consulting their party,.they had already given
the' lur theY would violate Conservative_ principles more than
Thep present bill. What were the demands of democracy ?
ie.._
ballot mantle d suffrage, electoral districts, and vote by
le),i,„-°,‘• All there° provisions of the bill tended to the
t1,"""Sil3II q XliOCCpancy, tended to manhood suffrage,
f,"„octitalisatioit of voting to electoral districts, the system of
e..._(4ng..Papers -to the ballot. The bill showed too much
".'7naltY, and was too clever by half.
"%plieated bill would have •had a muchAbesitmtgle.chaanndceleossf
cee's• /le quoted against the authors of theeablidll
dbeyeetihvee saying of Oliver Cromwell, that "subtlety Pu, hoeesty never would." He would not use
esrudbtleetyin,
'out 'candidy avow his share in the resolution. , 0,1";:esed11 had- consulted him when the bill
that
This w not unnatural, seeing shifim-rsstelfintarnod-
tile noble lordswere the only surviving membersn of the
had
cekraittee which drew up the reform bill.
'Btatee en
tothat occasion that he felt strong objections
ad the bill, and that he should oppose the second.
be • but that the capital objections to it might
thembodied into resolutions. He defended the coarse
e,pro seeding by resolution, which -was analagous to
i_BelitititedpraienPioitintehdietiraryl,ase year in the case of the India Bill. It
'flahlecl the Government to withdraw the bill and to sub-
in it enabled the house to express its opinion
never he stage. Of the principle of. the. bill he
his experience knew. greater unanimityin that
housee ia condemning the principle of the bill, or a ereater
ilattnoce,..o! cat rying a good, and usefal measure—thegreater
rr"ue XlO occupancy counties, a reductionefthremhots-
franchise, the disfranchisement within moderate
ofi i tare: Smeller boroughs, the impartial enfranchisementeathehe
believed nd the prohibition of travelling expenses w
be ", secure a good and satisfactory measure wdhich could
departed
fe_ Passed dining the present session. They.
nAna Preseliption during the old Reform Bill, when they
w'ePted ebe
Chan during
clause. Let them not abandonf pe-
'Zn'n now ie the boroughs, where it had existedthoer
sorterOO
.;rhiefl
o.The botough votes in the counties were
iate
wasd to °tain-vai transfer saetePr
iilPeuortles:airna,_i:avour proposedte thewas county
as constituencies,pelitimpolitic
a s
zhaualde:oline'erilsrao::fet lie
,Pointed out several ceses in which it
wealth
vcoasnstituenheaides i
ja,, I.loweriug of 1832, yet the boroue_ht
eu.crseleadmiltntedhistheapteninintegllisgpeenecche'atn,hd
so n; tli ere fo re: nnlici-cedeaszssee;druieimrisiifnished since that time.
eel
the boroourghanfryaneßheisefor. m
Whileßill teoxperffes
this
pr his own
e hadlePlance to the ballot, he confessed that .
?nest, alsP
re Made great progress throughout the country ,
th„, garded the voting papers, this would be
of
freatdhye
landfo"'"ent of compulsien for bribing in the hands
by
th d, wee
would cause his agent to go round, ;and, either
by threats or promises • ould obtain them back again, signed
ay j„%tenants. This' would obtain them bac'k agai'n, signed
bi 'uhill ff
would end in rendering the ballot
een- necessary This system of voting payers had
en fee. e •
they One to work co badly in municipal elections that l)ilf• nu, °Y common-consent belentisotnrsu.ck out in the new
These objections
wereinttoroduced to regulate those_ elections.
house the entire measure, and found fault with the lodging
with
set ClallSeS. Lodgers were
meet floating population,
satisfied with any
oftio,,illed habits. He
introduced
by
the new bill. He
should , need
franchises
if the: aye felt called upon to oppose the second reading,
mildersolutions were not carried which he preferred as a
must c°n"e• If the ministry refuseddtoselt:ek,eheitw, theyeald
.nor ter their fate. If they choose to_ dissolve,
way,
but they
wouldr9w any factious opposition in he
At all
the loti:feiZ a r‘.estton. sibility far'heaviert than. had fallen to
•eveet.s.
~ yot eir predecessore in so doing.
reeleeeeeT.e house must do its duty, regardless of the con-
e. .
object.
of said that there was nothing in the
Proposed len °f teethe right hon. baronet, or the noble lord whoa
leol resolution, which might not be considered
J.
eZeititee• Re characterised the course pursued by Lord
itself at as Re
If the house had pledged
partiall
to
i coasieer the measure, it was called upon
violate eh.to cemnnencement of the session calmly and im-
and.emb this
r,01.,_ arrass the discussion. The bill was. of great im-
intended only to check
t fence, anPelectloguetainh! a resolution,
take '
tleeten n. It had been said that the bill would been .o. ori every be con-
testeded parts to which objections might not
here had
hustings the country ; yet t
on.
` Jive electionS since its introduction, two of them c
elections and all had been favourable to the -Govern-
/neut.
Iva.•
, e further•denied that the opinion of. the country
e 'lavers
adver-- eto the bill. Those meetings which had given
sUtfre7 °Pinions had passed resolutions Tor universal
4_,t,tg::vee„,
la
inienual parliaments, and vote by ballot. lf
he 4:ttussell had acted fairly, and met the bill by a direct
would not have' succeeded. The measure
I;as he contended, a safe and sufficient one, creating a very
ree,e "tension of the suffrage. The way in which iteaveis
aceee,e_oelsedering the position of the government when 'vvvihseeuutt
Willirt'l?' Mee, was highly ungenerous. The
„..ci,ared that the opposition had acted noble
them
TheeLefoearance ; for that they k the noble
could
not
thri st year, on
the s`l"--e-th.ey had not forgotten the scene o a
that as
It ion of the motion of Mr. Cardwell. He admtted.
rceohe was a mistake on their part to promise a measure of
to I hut having made the promise, they were.t D
Pi:''deta it—and they had redeemed e • Lord
had erato.,
but he
e had made promises like these,
heee not redeemed his promise, and theyt had
reaqniir°lll the first the Ministry to propose the second
they wge of a reform bill, since the subject was revived,.
.ngo:
ilieant re met by a resolution which, if it mean a ythiure
The a refusal of the further consideration of the mew . .•
e noble •
he with their bill,
astw;t„. viscount told them to go on
, . ,stn..
_, •
1111811Et1 'llonte• the resolution, in a tone of arrogance
in that aanwagst gentlemen who sat opposite to each. other
luipo, .11, Rouse. He gave them advice that it was._
efterelwie for them to take-advice which, especially if
Witte i eh?. 8401 a torte he himself could have spurned
Vise nulgllation. The' subsequent reference of the no
peevolnint. to
the dissolution was a direct attack upon the
*as 4113'es of the Crown. The Ministry, whatever
Nee', out
of doors, had never threatened dissolution. Thn_
and for was never intended for them to accept, it was i _
'aid, a`,Ler the
to reject. . It was,. a.s Mr. Whiteside had e°llchea ?Dtensive elution ; it might indeed have been
4, tte Tee In such terms- as might have been accepted._
-rlruille 07 u_a,el been ma to place the government on the
-, the housea Ulletnilla ; that dilemma they refused to adopt.
bill• The Passed the resolution, they should not. have thoe.
the 'ne Alr.in„..istry did not sit there to do the bidding e
by noble
would not be fettered
t, _ lirelinii_ V iscount ;
same spirit, but all
tl7 evo,4,ary conditions the;
they
tthheey had been fairly met
liiety eekii`cru have acted in
would''4 et now say was, that they
language which he
'l.• 'VV.aI 1 had d asked them, en
et,reg.ter , po e a would not take the reso-
f fee et° which I happened to object.
It would have
been'ue bill 'to pledge themselves to abandon that feature
stigmatised the
Part et for-eueetete, if Mr. Walpole had waited and endeavoured
that
Motives ets views in committee. He
declaring
I•,.eatn which were prevalent in that house,
that it lie defended the
eetre, Ouduet of public men had not improved of late
1444-4 .introduced a large liberal element into the
was
provisions of the bill, contendeienng.
objeeteles, that it disfranchised no
.one, and what _
d f I°liable • • Z ended 4.1. in it might be amended in committee. He
Nuiee that`ee identity of franchise as proposed in the bill,.
7 the it was .-founded on principles already affirmed le`.4ite °llse. Ile especially approved the lodgers' fran-
"'lL "rr°ne °f the most liberal and safe provisions of the
s
Uheei "-e concluded bv protesting against the resolutions a
be :ierrfiadddseconlaering his- eanfi dent eipectationthat it would
kr. e., •
a. pai.:i• Gray, moved the adjournment of the debate.
on this motion, denied the statement of Sir
was
Si
that the course adopted by Lord J. Russell
to niParaerllTl!
44. here e rakington complained out it
and irregular, and called on the Speaker
%
, . e e. eee ?pinion,
had declared
that , authority out of doors, which authority
that he had referred to'
eeualipierareet.solution was at least not in consonance withthe
T ice.
by wee SPeaker said that thepower of moving resolutions
Nee 1, of amendment had been restricted rather. than
his T,Reu., by modern r'actices During the presidency oft
le LereQeeeesors fortyPor fifty resolutions' had been sopu .
pons hint of regularity and order it was not declared
I,erde,t) take exception to the present resolution.
%Natter i altilerston entered into some explanation as. to the
Iti,reel.
~ n dispute between himself and Mr.Whiteside,e
ere;
hitet',i,,;he re-
e• of Ital • which wire answered by M •
),,
A eise'e• .
"nie eva's'°ll arose on a dens end made by Mr. Bass,. that
Of the
dgerStaDding should be come to as to the termination
The ebate, but no decision we arrived at.
itereed tnrrtion fur the adjournment of
Tee s • .
there av the debate was then
roe
_olnee Bank (Ireland) Act Contint'ance Bill passed
edio,_ teer orders were then disposed of,
Theeo e mmittee.
. eened at ten minutes to one. and the House