Northern Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-03-10 00:00:00

THE NORTAIMIN TIMES, THURSDAY, MARCH 10, 1859

tiie toiOugh engineer's department kr the north district, in
the place of Mr. Richard Blades, deceased, at a salary of
.1150 per annum, tile consideration of which was postponed
at the last.mouthly council, pursuant to the standing orders.
Aikiu, said, the inspectors of lodging-houses found
their dutiei very disageeable,, as ventilation was carefully
excluded, the smell 'being often intolerable, and. in many
cases producing Vomiting. He thought there was something
more to be done than to pay the,inspector £5O a year for
such duties He thought it would be better if the health
committee ,would see if that intolerable state of things could
beremedie'd.

Aid he wished to say a word, but not in dis-
paragement of the health committee. It was very well to
speak of their remedying this or that, but
.hettought that
they had not the power to do that which was absolutely
necessary for the .health .of the town. His Attention had
been brought to the matter by a magistrate, who_ pointed

had been done in Wootton-, Avhercs: the bTlging-
aerii were well satisfied with the better arrange

hat had

a .in de.
234 hoes,

In fou

;ts in Liveric?l

in th
In these are 5,314 inhalitants
?,re are 13 registered, and

ets, and 451 in
Of these
14tered.

Living iu these houses, al
would leave it to the cou

twenty-t
1, if •thi;

Such a state of things ii

6 not rc

for each house
ate of things

too bad, as

as Ina-

possible that mail and female cot
to that they might attribute in a great I'
immorality and prostitution of th,3 town. In these streets
the occupants of the houses w-,-;re people of the lowes
classes, and the houses were in most easesara dreadful

d it was
sure the

•eflections on

I. de of
Mr. Dover : Is this fair ? .1t is throWing
the health conunittm.
Mr. Earle :T de 't care a straw for the health committee
or any body else. (Laughtm..) If yon allow me to go oul
with it, I will answer any questions you may think proper
to ask. After a few more remarks, Mr. Earle brought
forward the 'following resolution of which he had Om
notice at last ,council :—" That the health committee be
requested 'to furnish -a report to the council. showing"the
operation of the Lodging-House Act in Liverpool, in 45rder
to ascertain whether 'any better arrangements can be "made
for ate regulation Of with dwellings ; the report to -ccntain
a return of the number of registered houses within the

borough ; the proportion which they bear to these not
registered ; the mode of proceeding with regard to them;
the length of time occupied between the application for the
license and the granting of it; the nature of the inspection
of the houses, and by whom it is made."
Mr.'Xitchen secor.ded the motion.
Mr. Dover said, he thought the character ef.the health
would suffer in the meantime

commit

Mr. Earle said, he had his information from a police-

Mr. Dover said, thefact 'was if they turned out these
people, and their bedding, the moment the police officers
backs were turned, the' people were back into the houses
a,„...ain, and their beds along with them.
Mr. Robertson Gladstone said he was a member of the
health committee, and he would admit that the information
laid' before that committee, to his mind had never created
that consideration which, under the circumstances he
thought 'it ought to claim. He believed that every member
had ,a desire to do his duty, but it was beyond their means.
He took that opportunity of expressing his pleasure that
.the subject had been brought before the council.
Mr. Alderman Cooper said he was much indebted to
31r. Earle for the information he had brought forward
Mr

Anderson also expressed his satisfaction at what had

'been said.
Mr. Sheil said he entirely concurred with Mr. Gladstone in
-the remarks made by him, but he believed that he might say
the Health Committee had done all that was in their power.
if any man would get new power, and get it placed in the
hands of the committee, they would be very happy in
bestowing their attention to benefit the town. He thought
that a second question was involved in that one, and that
was the expenses that were being incurred. If they wished
to carry that out, they must b very economical in other
matters. Rome was not built in a day, and the evils of
Liverpool could not be remedied in that time. If they
went on expending money in other matters at such an ex-
travrant rate,the present matter could not be done.

Mr. Earl said he gave the Health Committee credit for
what they had done.

The motion was carried, and the proceedings of the com-

anittee were confirmed

COURTS 07 LAW AND ST. GEORGE'S HALL COMMITTEE

The proceedings of this committee were read.
"Mr. Alderman Turner moved their confirmation

Mr. Ryley asked when the report ordered at the last
council, as to the probable cost of St. George's Hall, and
the time of its-completion, might be expected?
Mr. Turner said the report was now in preparation.

Mr.' Gladstone : Mr. Mayor, I feel, in reference to the
proceedings from time to time of the St. George's Hall
Committee, that I, as well as every other member of the
council, are responsible for the very serious outlay which
is being incurred. I wish, therefore, to ask, on behalf of
the public, whether the system of torture which has been
adopted towards the façade of that noble structure, with
regard to the ground immediately around it, or rather to the
eastward of it, is to be continued ? There are loud
complaints made of two things,—first, of the raising of a
stone wall at the south end, more especially; and also of
the placing of, I think, four lions to the eastward (laughter).
I was under the impression that it was our intention to get
rid of -those deformities altogether. (Hear, hear, and
laughter.) For myself, I confess that I am utterly at a
loss to understand,why 'it is that we should, all of us, pin
our faith upon that very striking specimen of the brute
creation, the lion. • The day, if it has not gone by, ought
to have passed away when we would select, 'for the expres-
sion of our views, a mass of stone carved into all sorts of
shapes and forms, to represent our determination to break
that'law which enjoins that we should regard others equally
as we regard ourselves. It would seem to me much more
in harmony with the professions of many men in regard to
religion, that, instead of a lion, we should have either a
dove.or a lamb, or some similar animal consistent with what
we read in Holy Writ, as emblems of our opinions. A
work has lately appeared which, doubtless, has been read
by many, if not by most gentlemen in this room—
I refer to the work of Dr. Livingstone on Africa.
In that work it is set down that, instead of btng '
the animal many persons suppose I him to be, 'The
lion, when fairly met by any brute. of equal strength, is
little more than an arrant coward. (Laughter.) In more
than one instance other members of the brute creation
have proved themselves -to be more than a match for him.
I should mention one in particular, which is a race pretty
well known - that of the buffalo. (Laughter.) Against
the buffalo, I believe, under ordinary circumstances, the
lion has no chance whatever. (Laughter.) I refer to this
matter because I think it is high time that we should give
up these kinds of devices. (Hear, hear.) I think, if we
placed a little lees dependance 'upon any such inanimate
expression of our views and feelings, it would be greatly
to our credit. Some persons have remarked that the lions
have been retained because they resembledcertain members
of the St. George's-hall committee. (Loud laughter.) I
cannot say that I, myself, have been able to trace any
particular resemblance - (laughter) —'but if there be any,
I hope each member of the committee will say which
lion he fancies the most, and walk off with it—(laughter)—

for they are most inconsistent with the structure itself, with
the style of the architecture, and every other circumstance,
and I was in, hopes, and I believe the public out of doors
were in hopes. that we should have no more of the lions.
(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
_ Mr. Alderman Holme said, with reference to the wall,

level surface or nearly so, to 'throw off .the water, in con-
sequence of the ground being so much out of level. The
committee, could not, therefore, carry out the direction
which the council itself gave, without building the wail to
which allusion had been made. The plans had been laid
before the council. He could not quite follow Mr. Gladstone
in his essay on natural history (laughter) ; nor was he able
to say what member of the council by the lion, who he now
learned was not so courageous an animal as he had always
-supposed him to he. (Laughter.) In the spirit of peace
11ith Mr. Gladstone introduced, he could only say
he
if the council wished to choose the aymbol
he 44 Rug,,,rested, and to introduce at one end of the
building a lamp, and at the other end a dove, he hoped they
would take the liberty of asking Mr: Gladstone himself to
do them the honour of letting the artist take him as a model.
41-lear,thear, and loud laughter.)
Mr. 811(41 thought the lion was ver unfairl treated in
being represented by such
animals as thoseyaround the
hall, which were like nothing either in this
other. (Hear, hear, and laughter ) world or the
Mr. Earle hoped the committee 'would be allowed to
finish what they had b%un. Until they had finished it,
the effect of the design could not he judged of He
were
ndli. thilast they formed
reminded the council that there w
outside the
Fitzwilliam Museum, in Cambridge
a coninion architectural ornament in
other towns of the Continent. Veil'
1(..e, and many

Mr. Alderman Bennett congratulated the committee
the recent changes which they had introdueediititeup
t
approaches to the ball during the last few months. (1)11le
sure the committee had risen in public estimation because of o
what they had done.. He presumed that the lions
f
would have a superior finish given to them which would
snake them become much more sightly animals (Hear,
He approved of such ornaments himself, and so
long as they were not out of place he did not care whether
thy were buffaloes, lions, lambs, or doves. (Laughter.)
The subject then dropped.
A nsevorial was read from the Festival Choral Society,
praying tkat the additional charge of £l, lately imposed for
every concert given in the St. George's Hall, might not be
nforced.

gr. Alderman Bennett moved that the meutg-

on the occasion, accordi

comAtrrEE

was to 1 the gppointinent than in favour of it

;punts, otc

tial be referred to the St. Georea Rall com-
mittee.' _ _

The motion *as agreed to, and the goiktral proceedings of
the committee wete then confirmed.

MARKETS
The proceedings of this committee were read
Mr. Johnston moved their confirmation, which' was
seconded by Mr. Ridley.
Mr. Farnworth then rose to move the following resolution,
of which he had given notice: —To rescind thefollowing
resolution of the council, passed at their meeting en the 2nd
inst., so . far as relates to the appointment of a ge-
neral superintendent of the markets, viz., " That a general
superintendent of all the markets be appointed, at a
salary not exceeding £3OO per annura." He mast
confess than he was very much sntrised that the
'council should sanction any such proposition, -and he did
hope that when the motion was carried by the casting vote
of the Mayor, that the committee would have paused before
carrying the motion into effect. It had been
,his pleasure
since he had the honour of -sitting in that room to hear
many arguments in favour of propesitiOns brought before
the council, but he never heard any matter carried with
such weak arguments._ The argments which were used
'rime against
the matter

had arisen out of the •appointraent of a stih-committee, to
ingnire into the mode of collecting the rents, the mode of
keeping the accounts, and tho general management of the
markets. • The sub-committee reported that they had ex-
anined these various matters, and that "'they had gotten
every assistance from the superintendants and other officials
in the investigation of the and the committee

made various suggestions as to the mode of collecting the
tolls and rents, and other matters; whiff were since adopted.
They found several tenants in arrears, and ordered immediate
payment. Regarding these arrears his impressiOn was, that
when this subject was brought before the council last month,
that some very serious losses had accrued to the corporation
funds in consequence of the neglect of these superinten-
dants and their officials in the markets. The gross income
of the markets was something like £13,000 per annum.
Now, he 'believed these arrears, upon which so much stress
was laid on the last occasion, really did not exist. That such

•
a thing as loss of any importance had never been
discovered. Re had taken the trouble to inquire from the
auditor and others ; and from three years experience on the
Markets' Committee, he was perhaps as well, if not better
acquainted with the matter, than some of those who
recommended this appointment. He would ask Mr.
Bowring, or some other gentleman on the Markets'
Committee, if any loss really had accrued. In 18.54
certain alterations were made in St. John's Market, which,.
it was alleged, caused a great decrease in the revenue,
and it was suggested that a reconstruction should take
place. Thiswas quite right, as the council was a changing
body, and so was the markets committee. The markets
committee thought it right to make these alterations four
years ago, and the council sactioned it. The effect of
these alterations, Mr. Bowriug said, caused a loss of £.500
per annum to the corporate funds. It was because of the
crowded state of Great Charlotte-street, that these
alterations were made in order to give room for the
country produce. He saw no objection to the stalls which
were then removed being replaced, if the present com-
mittee thought they . could derive additional revenue by
it. It 'did not require a general superintendent to remove
the stalls, and -he did not see that it required a- general
superintendant to replace them. (Hear; hear.) In reference
to the differential rates in sheds and stalls considered to be
of equal value, he begged to say that this would always be
the case, they could not avoid it. Nor could the markets
commiteee say, that because Mr. Luya, of St. John's
market, was unfit for his duty, they, therefore, required a
general superintendant.
Mr. Kitchen seconded the motion.

Mr. Stedins said, the course which Mr..Farnworth asked
them to pursue seemed to him to be somewhat irregular and
invidous in asking them to reconsider a decision come to so
lately as the last month. He had listened in vain for any
new argument in the speech of Mr. Farnworth. A speech
more bold in argument, and more destitute of any
additional information on the subject could not be put
together. He had read extracts from a report of which
they were all previeusly acquainted. It was notorious that
the whole system on which their markets were conducted
was faulty. .(Hear, hear.) The whole system was rotten
to• the very core. He would not stop to inquire whether
this opinion was right or wrongly founded, but, looking at.
the gentlemen who composed the markets committee, he
thought they were as anxious to do their duty as
economically and as faithfully as other committees. And
when it was considered that they appointed a sub-
comnaittee -to inquire into the state of the mar-
kets, that sub-committee reporting to the general
committee, and. the general committee recommending to
the council, and then the council adopting that recom-
mendation, he thought this was quite sufficient. (Hear,
hear.) He thought it would lead to great inconveniences if
members were to keep asking the council to rescind a
resolution which they had just passed at the previous
meeting. There might be a small meeting, and with • a
judicious use of the " whip" the decision would be reversed.
He thought, at all events, gentlemen who took such a
course were bound to bring forward some new arguments
to induce the council to take such a course ; and he had
listened in vain for. that. He would feel it his duty to
support the decision of the council.
Mr. Bowring said, he thought it was right, as his name
had been mentioned, to say a few words : When he saw
that notice of motion put upon the books, he certainly did
expect that some new, arguments would have been brought
in opposition to the course which had been adopted
by the markets committee and by the council.
But the speech of Mr. Farnworth was a com-
plete rehash, if lie might use the term, of
the whole arguments that
_had been brought before the
council at the last meeting. A complete turning over
again and again of the old thinp until they were quite
surfeited of them. He thought it was a misnomer to call
them arguments, because he thought there was no argu-
ment in it. He protested against -a ich waste of the time
of the council by Mr. Farnworth, an old member of the
council,, from whom he would have expected better. Mr.
Farnworth was mistaken as to the appropriation
of that part of St. John's Market which had
been altered. It was now 'appropriated with large
packagesoef American apples, &c.; and, in fact, made a
complete storehouse of it. That portion originally pro-
duced. £654 per annum to the corporation, and now it only
produced £155, leaving a loss of £469. This was a broad
fact, which he .defied Mr. Farnworth to gainsay. It was a
fact which spoke volumes as to the inefficiency of the
management of the markets. He believed the appointment
would be most economical. They would then not be
obliged to pay so much to the present superintendent of
St. John's Market, where, as the central market,
most of the general superintendent's time would be spent.
They might reduce the wages of the present superintendent
£lOO a year, and they would thus reduce their extra outlay
to £2OO. The income of St. John's market was now some-
thing between seven and eight thousand a year, and he
would be disappointed if it did not extend to between nine
and ten thousand a • year by the new arrangement. He
would ask the council to • have faith in the present Markets'
Committee—to have faith in those men who were being
brought into contact with these markets, and who knew
their wants, and who were seeking to produce girder out of
disorder, and to replace incapacity and inefficiency by
eiorgy and ability. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman Parker opposed the appointment, and in
doing so, said he considered the proposition so monstrous,
thathe did not see how any person could support it. He
denied that it would be attended with economy, but asserted

that it would be more expensive. It was also unjust to the
present superintendants. There had *ever been any com-
plaints made against them. Then why remove them'? He
trusted that, the council would not impose a burden of £2OO
per annum upon the Corporation estate by making such an
appointment, but would reject ;t by a large majority.
Mr. Job said he was ready to confess that he gave•a,
reluctant vote at the last meetneg, and, if he had not had
the utmost confidence in favour of the committee; he should
k.ave voted against it, because he did not think that they
had made out a strong case. Haling supported the cern-
mittee on a former occasion, he should do so at preseut,
and vote for it as a matter of expediency, in order that the
committee might carry out their own views. He hoped
that they might be right, and that the appointment might
prove a saving to the corporate estate.

Mr. Jeffery rose amidst cries of " vote, vote," and said,
at the last meeting, he had voted for the appointment, and
he was wistful to say a few words in justification of that
vote. Ile could assure the council that, when he heard that
there was no general superiattendant to the markets, he
felt greatly surprised. Now, they had ,no less than
ten markets, virtually eight, and they were aot governed
by their own superintendent. , Re would ask who was
responsible for the well conducting of these •markets, was
it the committee or was it the chairman of the committee?
It was evident the responsibility must rest somewhere. It
could not be the chairman of the ,eoromittee, for he was
only the axletree on which the wheel revolved ; then as
such was the case, he contended that there should be only
one superintendent to all the markets, aad that that one
superintendent should be responsible to the committee, the
same as in all large private establishments. •
Mr., Alderman Bennett exressed his regret that he had
not been present at the last meeting to have given his
opposition to the decision that was ,rived at; but, very
Unusuallyturn for him, he had been called aN7ray, and did not
return until it was too late to record his vote. . He denied
that the appointment
of all the markets wouldof
and then there . Inspector
a general superintendent
supervision, as h e. i
the other, have the desired effect of a gvneral
have to travel from one marker to
a complaint to, nor would
would be no person to make-
was, so that if he liked to do
his duty, he could, and if not

there was lira eohlitel over liim. He contended that it would
be more radvisAle, if any charge was reiuired, that they
should apptit an efficient man to each market, and so
have Et thtirt.ugh control; but by the appointment of one
over the Whole, that could not 'be. He concluded by ex-
pressing a hope that the eVancil would support Mr.
Farnworth's motion by a large majority.
Mt. Gladstone admitted that it was always open to any
Member of the Council, to dispute any measure carried by
Om Council, and if he conscientiously believed that anything
wrong had been done, to move that it be annihilated. He,
therefore, did not complain of the course adopted upon the
present occasion, although he was a little surprised at the
source from which the opposition had proceeded ; for he
remembered that Mr. Farnworth was some time a member
of the markets' committee, and a very regular attendant
there, taking very great interest, especially in matters of
finance, and who always joined in the expression of regret
that the system of management was, it not rotten, grossly
defective. . Nothing • could be . more necessary, Mr.
Gladstone 'contended, than that the markets Committee
should have united. in one person, as in the head of
their police force, the power, the will, the superiority
of education, and the energy to grapple with the difficulties
inseparable from the present cond'tion of the management
of the markets. He denied that there had been one single
rational argument, or one idea suggested that day, which
conld by any possibility lead the coancil to decide upon the
rejection of the proposal which had been adopted by them
as a correct, desirable, and economical proceeding. The
orders given by the committee would meet with a much
more speedy execution if they were given to one man. The
difficulty they had at present arose, in a great measure
from the fact that there were three superintmdents in
existence. It had been said that day that the committee
ought to see that their instructions were carried into effect.
Would not this be more easily effected if the committee
could. impart their instructions to one officer instead of three ?
and were not the odds and ,chances- that their instructions
would not be faithfully carried out, as three to one, while
they had three superintendents instead of one ? In replying
to the arguments used in favour of Mr. Farnworth's motion,
Mr. Gladstone referred to the remarks of Mr. Alderman
Parker, and took occasion to remark that the sooner the
aldermen of the council appealed to the test of popular
representation—the sooner they were put upon the public
hustings—the sooner they were called upon to make a
public expression of their 'faith —and the sooner the dis-
covery was made that, in proportion as progress was going
forward, they were receding in a retrograding direction,
the better would it be for the community. (Hear, hear,
and laughter.) [Mr. Gladstone was proceeding with his
remarks, when some interruption appeared to take place,
and he stopped, declaring that if vulgar interruptions of
that kind was allowed, the council never could maintain its
respectability.]
Mr. Alderman Parker : I should like to know what Mr.
Gladstone means by vulgar interruption. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Gladstone : Any man who interrupts me as I have
just been interrupted is guilty of vulgarity,
Mr. Parker : I did not interrupt you, sir. •
Mr. Gladstone : I did not charge you, sir.
Mr. Alderman Bennett: Oh, Mr. Mayor, this excitement
is very unseemely. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Gladstone : Let those who make complaints of what
is unseemly take care how they throw the first stone.
(Hear, hear.) Mr. Gladstone then at considerable length
argued in favour of the recommendation of the committee,
which he declared was brought forward after the fullest
consideration, and was founded upon the truest principles
of economy and honesty.

Mr. ,Aldjerinan Holme said he should not have spoken
upon this question at all, if it were not that, during the very
vehement speech which had just been uttered, there had been
imported into the debate an attack upon a body of gentle-
men the equals of Mr. Gladstone in intelligence, his equals
in position, and his equals in everything which could make
men valuable as public men. (Hear, hear, and applause.)
That was not the first time that the aldermen of Liverpool
had been twitted with being in that council in opposition to
the spirit of the constitution. They were there—as Mr.
Evans stated before a committee of the House of Commons,
when twitted with being an alderman—as the elect of the
elected. (Hear, hear.) When Mr. Gladstone said he (Mr.
Holme) and others, ought to test popular election, he could
reply that he had tested popular election in no less than
three wards of the town, and that upon two of those oc-
casions he had been returned almost without a contest.

He never was, or would be, wanting in readiness
to make a confession of his faith, and to avail
himself -of the • privileges of . speech, which the
constitution gave him. It was bad taste of Mr. Glad-
stone to be constantly attacking the aldermen, because any
reflection upon them must rest upon the whole council, and
upon Mr. Gladstone himself, who elected them. Mr. Glad-
stone ought to have objected at the time the aldermen were
chosen, or to have used his legitimate and powerful influ-
ence to obtain an alteration of act of parliament. He
(i Ir. liolme) begged to say, on behalf of himself and of
other aldermen, that they entered the council in a spirit of
as perfect independence as Mr. Gladstone did himself.

(Hear, hear.) If he (Mr.•Holme) were desirous of remain-
ing in the council, he should have no hesitation in saying
he should be glad of an opportunity of again testing popular
election. (Hear, hear) The aldermen were in that council
in a spirit of as perfect independence as the gentleman
who made the remarks they had just heard, and which
reflected no credit upon his judgment. (Hear, hear.) Mr.
Holm then proceeded to arzue in support of Mr. Farn-
worth's motion, and against the recommendation of the
committee. He declared that he could see no reason why,
if one superintendant were necessary for the markets, the
baths' committee might not demand with equal justice, one
superintendant for the baths (Hear, hear.) If the present
superintendants of several markets were not able to
discharge their duties properly, let them be sent to the right
about. (Cries of hear, hear.) In concluding his remarks,
Mr. Holme declared that he would vote against an appoint-
ment, which appeared to smell very much like a job.
(Hear, hear, no, no, and cries of order.)
Mr. Alderman Turner said, he felt great regret that Mr.
Gladstone had thrown out some personal remarks against the
whole body of aldermen.

Mr. Gladstone : I threw out no personal remarks. I
objected to the system.

-Mr. Turner said it was unworthy of the council to throw
out such insinuations, which were as unmerited as they were
uncalled for. (Hear, hear.) *He had not the slightest
objection to have any vote which he had given during the
last eighteen years tested by those which Mr. Gladstone had
given, and he believed it would be found that his votes were
given as conscientiously, and as much to the benefit of the
inhabitants of Liverpool, as those given by any other member
of the council. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Sheil said, he was sorry to hear that anything
personal had been said. He would ask the gentleman who
had dwelt on personalities to tedium how he could have the
temerity to accuse the markets' committee of perpetrating a
job. He had never heard a more outrageous insult perpe-
trated, and he wished to know who was meant or to whom
the remark was applied. No such thing had ever been
done, and the person who mentioned it must have taken it from
his own mind. Ile said that for the purpose of defending
himself and others against the base attack which had-been
made on the committee of which he was a member. The
question was ohe of finance, and they were bound to look
to it with mature consideration. With repect to what Mr.
Farnworth had said about being astonished at the markets
committee, it was not necessary to reply to as
it would be going over what had been already said ; but
when he was first elected a member of the markets com-
mittee, the conviction was established in his mind that a
superintendant was wanted. He spoke to several members
of the committee, and all attn.

ed to what he said. The
council must rely, to a great extent, on the honesty of the
members of the committee in reeeiwing a recommendation ;
and then again they were to rely on the soundness of the
judgment of the committee; and then it would be seen
that it was the duty of the council to adopt the resolution.

Mr. Stuart said lie was very sorry to hear that members
of the council were casting imputations on each other in
discussing the question. If any one took a different view
from another, let him hold his view, as he held his. He
did not hold the same view with the committee, but be
hoped he would be allowed to take that view without im-
peaching.their right-mindedness.
Mr. Ridley said, he would never sit quiet, as a member
of the markets' committee and hear Mr. Holme tell the
committee that their proceedings were smelling of jobbery.
Mr. Holme : I am not infallible ; and if the word
"jobbery" fell from me, it was because I was heated, and
that it looked like it at the time. I will withdraw the
statement.

Several members made a few observations on the
o• subject,
tuisin out of what had been said, and in which there
was nothing new, after which

Mr. Farnworth said, he thought it necessary to say a
few words in explanation ; and first, when he brought the
matter before the council, he had no idea of making a speech,
but simply to brillg it before the council for consideration,
and he was still of same opinion that he was when he
proposed that the resolution should be. seconded. When it
was brought up before, he voted against the proposition.
He hoped that they would feel it to be their duty to vote
for the resolution which he had moved. He would never
shrink from that course which he believed to be his duty.
(Applause.)
On the motion beine, put, the recommendation of the
committee was lost by 31 to 16.

For Mr. Farnworih's motion : Aldermen Bennett, Bold,
Parker, Robinson, Cooper, J. H. Turner, Gardner, Hough-
ton, Toulmin, S. Holme ; Councillors Anderson, Crellin,
Haydock, Barton, Tyrer, Avison, Rae, W. P. Jeffreys,
Shand, Wagstaff, Tobin, Hutchison, Johnson, Kitchen,
Hudson, Clint, Aikin, Stewart, Farnworth, Vernon,
Cropper-31.
Against : The Mayor; Aldermen Chilton, Dover;
enstilwaite, Shell, Shimmin, Offbally, Stetting,

Riley, Bowring, Ridley, Rogers, Job, Gladsl,-,

`.mtt, J. R

Jeffery, Anthony-16. _ _ _ _
'A memorial was read from the inb-;nitaitts of Queen-
square' and neighbourhood, prayir.s. the councillors to
remedy the evil accruing to the '4l front carts and vehicles,
of various descriptions, overc;:owaing that square on mar-
ket days.

The memorial wad referred to the markets committee
EDUCATION CONLMITTEE.

The proceedings of this committee were read and
coaiiirmed without comment.

ROUSE or CORRECTION COMMITTEE

The proceedings of this committee were also read and
mfirmed without comment.
LIBRARY AND :SIUSEUM COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee were confirmed.
' THE WATER COMMITTEE.

The proceedings of this committee were read.
Mr. Hodson said, in moving the confirmation of the
proceedings 'of this • committee, he had only one
matter specially to refer to, and • that was, that
time ago Mr. Earle moved that, when the
reservoirs were full, the inhabitants should be
supplied with the Rivington water. All he had to say was,
that at the present time:the reservoirs were full, and this is
a good season of the year to try the experiment, and it was
the unanimous wish of the committee. that it should. be
done. For his own part, he would not give an opinion on
the matter, but would leave the matter in the hands of the
council.
Mr. Cooper begged to second the motion. Mr. Parker
had stated that the reservoirs were not full, and that they
never ,would ,be full, Now he had the pleasure of telling
Mr. Parker that he had himself seen them full, even full-to
overflowing ; and the chairman of the committee himself
says that they are full.
The proceedings were then confirmed,
Mr. Bennett observing that he supposed the month's trial
of the Rivington water would at once be proceeded with.
Mr. Ryley moved that such should be the case. It had
been decided that as soon as the reservoirs were full the
experiment should be tried, and as they were then full he
could see no objection. -
Mr. Jeffery said he did not think the chairman of the
committee had pat the motion before the council as he
should have done, and if the chairman would permit
him, he would offer a correction. At the last meetitr,
of the committee, it was unanimously agreed that the
council should be asked permission to have the pumping
stopped for one month, and that the town should be supplied
with the Riviugton water for one month. Mr. Cooper had
said he had seen the reservoirs full and overflowing.
Mr. Cooper : I saw them full.
Mr. Jeffery uOderstood that he had seen them over-
flowing. The resevoirs were full, and the committee thought
that this was .a proper time to try the experiment, and for
this great reason—for the object of testing the supply of the
water for the borough, and whether the people would be
satisfied with it in its entire state, and the Second great
object was one of finance. If the inhabitants will be
satisfied with the unmixed water, the committee will be able
to save, according to Mr. Oxley's plan, £13,000 per annum.
If that can be saved, it will materially reduce the
deficiency of last year, which was £23,000: it would
reduce it to £lO,OOO, which the increased trade, and other
causes, might soon make up the deficiency of last year.
Therefore, on the ground of testing the working, and on
the ground of finance, he asked the council to give their
sanction to having the pumping stopped during that period.
Mr. Farnwortli: Am I to understand that the request
has been made by the committee, that the Rivington water
should be supplied for one month ? Mr. Hodson : Yes.
Mr. Farnworth : And that it is the unanimous wish of
the committee. Mr. Hodson : Yes.
Mr. Farnworth said that he was quite well aware that
there was not a member of the committee, who thought
that the Rivington water would give satisfaction to the in-
habitants, and as they had got th wells, they had been paid
for by the corporation, he did not see why the experiment
should be tried for even a month. He was quite sure that
if the works were individual property, they would not act
so. He then directed the attention of the council to a
resolution passed in the month of October last, stating- that
by a better system of filtration, the colour of the-water
would be improved, and asked if any steps had been taken
in that report. If that was not the case then he should
protest against the Rivington water being tried, and should
certainly vote against it.
Mr. Alderman Parker urged that the committee should
revise their rates of charge, and suggested that, in some
cases, they might charge as the gas company did, by metre.
Mr. Earle said, with regard to the supply to the town
entirely from Rivington, he had a little suspicion, on
account of the quarter whence the movement came. If the
town were supplied entirely by Rivington Water, it might
give rise to some cavil about it not being good water, &e.
The people were satisfied at present if they let them alone.
(Hear, hear.) He, personally, had no objections to using
the Rivington water unmixed.
Mr. Ryley said, as a matter of explanation, it was him
that the matter originated with.

Mr. Crellin begged leave to tell Mr. Jeffery that the com-

mittee, on Mondai, were not exactly unanimous. He, for one,
objected to the water being let into the town in its present
state from Riyington. Ile suggested that it should be tried
at some future day, and not at present. The town was per-
fectly satisfied with the quality of the water now, and he
saw no reason why they should adopt the plan suggested
by Mr. Jeffery.

Mr. Jefferisaid, it was quite true that Mr. Crellin did
make a suggestion, bnt he did not divide the committee.
He made no objection. The motion was carried
unanimously.

Mr. Bennett said that, fearing something migh t
arise, he put the question to the chairman whether
they were unanimous, and die chairman replied
that they were. He urged that there never was a better
time than the present for testing the Rivington water.
Their reservoirs were all full, their filtering beds all in good
order, and the season was most appropriate. It would be
a great saving, as Mr. Jeffery had stated, and their finance
wanted economising, their expenditure being largely
over their income. He, for one, would be delighted to find
that the Rivington water was supported by the people of
Liverpool. He trusted the Council would have that con-
fidence in their own bantling, as to let it walk by itself for
one month.

Mr. Hodson, in replying, expressed his satisfaction at
Mr. Bennett's admitting that the works were all in such
good condition. As far as his own opinion went,
Mr. Hodson declared he would rather they were al-
lowed to go on as at present until they had brought
the water to a higher degree of perfection ; but as
there was a strong desire expressed by many mem-
bers, he should not object to the trial being made. If a
fair trial were given to the water, without prejudice or
passion, it would be found a good domestic water. If the
inhabitants expected to find it as bright in colour as the
water which percolated through sandstone, they would be
disappointed ; but' if it were looked upn as an excellent
soft water for commercial purposes, and also a healthy
water, he had no doubt it would give very general
satisfaction.

The Council divided on the motion, when there appeared
For : Aldermen Bennett, Parker, Gardner. Councillors
Stitt, Sheil, Shimmin, Corbally, Haydock, Barton, Ryley,
Avison, Bowring, W. P. Jeffreys, Rogers, Gladstone, J. R.
Jeffery, Kitchen, Hodson, Vernon-19.

,
Against : The Mayor, Aldermen Bold, Dover, Cooper,
Houghton, Holme. Councillors Anderson, Crellin, Steains,
Ridley, Shand, Job, Earle, Hutchison, Johnson, Clint,
Aikin, Stewart, Fain worth, Anthony —2O.

The motion was therefore negatived. .
The other proceedings •of the water committee were
confirmed.

The proceedings of the baths' committee were confirmed.
The amount of expenses to be reimbursed to the town-
clerk (L 212) was ordered to be paid, and the accounts
divided among the several townships.
The Coroner's account, amounting to £3O 3s, was passed.
A letter from Mr. J. Morrison, clerk in the building
surveyor's office, asking for increase of salary, was referred
to the finance committee.

A letter was read from the Association for the Abolition
of the Doty upon Fire Assurances, praying the council to
aid them in their efforts towards the repeal, or at least the
equitable adjustment of the duty on fire assurances. The
letter was referred to the finance committee.
A memorial was read from the St. Chrysostom's Working
Men's Association, praying for the establishment of public
baths, or at least of a plunge bath, in the district of Everton.
Mr. Alderman Cooper moved that the memorial be
referred to the baths' committee, and observed that they had
a ps'.ece of land in Everton, which he thought they might
apply to that purpose. _ _ _

Mr. Anderson seconded the motion, and strongly
advocated the object of the memorial. _

The motion was unanimously carried.

A presentment from the Grand Jury of the:Quarter
Sessions, declaring certain premises in Gascoigne-street,
Cleveland-square, and Argyle-street, to be in a dangerous,
and delapitated condition, was referred to the finance com-
mittee.

The usual permission was given to the Recorder, upOn
his application, to hold a second Sessions court, tke first
week in the ensuing month.

The next busine; was a motion, of which Mr. Aikin had
given notice, as follows :—" To rescind so much of a roc-
lution of the council of the 9th of November, 1858, ast
empowers the finance committee to grant licenses for using
weighing machines in the borough, and to move that the
power to grant all such licenses be vested in the watch
committee."

Ur, Aikin explained, that the resolution was merely a
formal one to rectify a mistake made in the arrangement
for the granting of licenses.
- The motion was unanimously adopted.
The council then rose shortly after four o'clock.

MONETARY AND COMMERCIAL.
LIVERPOOL, Wednesday Evening.
There has been no abatement in, the activity of the
Liverpool Cotton Market, and a large business . has
again been done at full prices, the sales reaching
12,000 bales, of which about a fourth were taken
for speculation and export.
The Produce Mar lets have again been quiet, and
very_ few transactions have been reported in any

article.
The improvement noticed in the Liverpool Share 1
Market continues, and to=day there has been a good
business done at improved prices. The sales were :-
Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire, 63 ; Cale-
donian, 851 ; Eastern Counties, 121 ; East Lan-
cashire, 931- ; Great Western, 571 ; Lancashire and
Yorkshire, 951, 94, 951, 954, 954, 951, 95'4 ; Lon-
don and North Western, 951, 95:4, 95%, 951, 954,
951 ; ditto one-eigth shares; 13-6 d ; Midland, 1004,
1002, 1001 •, North Eastern-Berwick Stock, 921,
921, 921 ; York Capital Stock, 771 ; St. Helen's
Railway and Canal A, 881 ; South Eastern, 21-1; ;
Grand Trunk of Canada, 8 9-16, 84-, 8 9-16, 84,
8 15-16, 84 ; Great Luxembourg, 6 15-16, 64;
Great Western of Canada new, 41 d ; Lombardo-
Venetian, 11 p ; Rec.. and San Francisco, 7-16 d;
St. Helen's Railway and Canal, 41 per cent E, 991.
Money transactions were reported after official
hours, and included Eastern Counties, at 121 ; Lan-
cashire and Yorkshire, at 954, 96 ; London and North
Western, at 951; Midlands, at 1004 ; and South
Eastern and Dovers, at 211. The following
were the final closing prices :-Blackburn, 11=',„„
111 ; Chester and Birkenhead, 61, 63 ; Cale-
donian, 854, 851 ; Chester and Holyhead,
48, 481 ; Eastern Counties, 12 1-16 xd,
12 3-16 ; East Lancashire, 93 xd, 931 ; Do. £9
shares, A xd, 1 p ; Great Northern, 1021 xd,
1031 ; Do. A, 87 xd, 88 ; Great Western,
57% xd, 571 ; Lancashire and Yorkshire Stock,
954 xd, 954; Do. £9 shares, 4 id, 4 p ; London
and North Western Stock, 951 xd, 951 ; Do. one-
eighth shares, b xd, a d; Manchester, Sheffieldl
and Lincolnshire, 384, 384; Midland Stock, 1014 xd,
1014 ; North British, 581, 59%; North Western, 131,
131 ; North Staffordshire, 4%, d ; North Eastern
-Berwick, 92 xd, 921 ; York and North Midland,
77 xd, 77+ ; Leeds Capital Stock, 47 xd, 471 ; South
Eastern and Dover, 21 7-16 xd, 21 9-16; Dutch
Rhenish, 41 d; Great Western of Canada, 151,
16 ; Ditto New Shires, 44, 44 d ; Great Lux-
embourg, 6 1-13, 84,; Grand Trunk of Canada,
8%, ; Lombardo-Venetian, 1, 11 p ; Ditto New
Shares, 4, p.
At the opening of the London Stock Exchange
this morning, the quotations- for Consols and other
public securities were barely so firm as at the close"
of yesterday, but the tenor of the continental news
being still of a peaceful character, they subsesquently
again improved, and at noon the Consols stood at
954 to 96, and they kept steady and firm at this
point until the final close.
The London. Share Market was not as active as
- yesterday, and the buoyancy in prices gave way at
the opening, and throughout the day there was
very little variation. Prices closed as
follows :- 0 Ambercrate, 6, 61 ; Caledonian, 85, 851 ;

Ditto Preference, 103, 105 ; Eastern Counties,
60, 61 • East Lancashire, 93, 94 ; Edinburgh
and Glasgow, 71, 72; Great Northern, 103, 1034;
Do. A., 88, 90; Ditto B, 133, 134 ; Great Western,
574, 571 ; Lancashire and Yorkshire, 951, 96 ;
Brighton, 111, 112 ; North Western, 95, 954;
South Western, 93, 934 ; Manchester, Sheffield,
and Lincoln, 38, 381 ; Midland 1004, 101 ; North
British; 581, 591; Ditto Preference, 112, 114 ; North
Eastern--Berwick, 911, 921 ; Leeds 461, 47 ; York,
76%, 761; North Stafford, 41, 41 ; South Eastern,
714, 714; Turkish Sixes, 921, 931; Ditto Fours, 1031,
1031 ; Great Western of Canada, 151, 16 ;
Ditto New, 4%, 4 ; Grand Trunk of Canada,
81, 84.
The attendance at the London Wool Sales, this
afterdoon, was moderate, and the biddings toler-
ably steady, sustaining former prices with great
regularity.
The stoppage of electric communication between
Malta and Cagliari will cause a delay of about three
days in the receipt of Indian, Chinese, and Austra-
lian intelligence in London. In the ordinary. course
news is telegraphed from Malta on the arrival of
the mail steamers from Alexandria.
An immense rebound has taken place in Austrian
securities in all the Continental markets. At Vienna,
on Friday last, the Five per Cent. Metalliques were
quoted 71.40, and on Monday afternoon 75 to 751,
showing a rise of about 4 per cent. The exchange
on London was quoted last Friday 112.50, and yes-
terday 106 to 106;—a difference of 6 per cent.
The demand for Money in commercial channels
yesterday was more active, many of the dealers them-
selves running short, and few transactions took place,
even in choice bills, below 21 per cent. The appli-
cations at the bank are still moderate, but are ex-
pected to increase as the month draws on, the
accumulation of • government deposits in that
establishment being now very large.
An instalment of 20 per cent. falls due on the
Chillian Loan of 1,554,800/. on Tuesday next. The
balance remaining to be paid will then then be 22

per cent.
RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS.—Lancashire and
Yorkshire, 24,344/. ; increase, 3,833/. Manchester
and Sheffield, 10,001/. ; increase, 1,332/, London
and North Western, 63,0231.; last year, 55,8241. ;
increase, 7,199/.
The resignation of Prince Napoleon caused the Funds
this morning to open with a firm appearance, at an advance
of it per cent. ; although the partisans of that personage
announce that his retirement will rule but temporally, and
that the Emperor still cordially approves his policy of
promising the support of France to Piedmont, in case
troubles should break out, in the Italian Duchies. Late in
the day the operations for the arrangement of the settle-
ment, led to a further improvement. The scarcity of stock
continues to have a great effect in stimulating every
upward movement. The shipments of silver for Bombay, on
the 12th, are expected to be over £300,000. The Royal
Mail Company's steamer Avon will take out to-morrow
£85,867 in specie for Brazil, of which £43,367 is gold, and
the rest silver. It is understood that the project for the
National Bank of Turkey will be introduced forthwith, and
the shares are nominally quoted at a premium.—Times City
Article, Tuesday Evening.
A fresh stimulus was given to the Stock Market, this
morning by the official announcement that Prince Napoleon,
whose warlike sympathies are notorious, has quitted the
French Cabinet, news of a further improvement at the com-
mencement of business on the Paris Bourse, and of the
prevalence of extraordinary excitement in all the Stock
Markets of the Continent. The partial reaction on the
Paris Bourse not being known here until after the close of
the Stock Exchange, the English Funds left off at
almost the best point of the day, and nearly per cent.
higher than yesterday. An immense rebound has taken
place in Austrian securities in all the continental markets.
At Vienna, on Monday, the Five per Cents. were 75 to 751,
showing a rise of about 4 per cent. since Friday. On
'Change, this afternoon, the principal feature was an extra-
ordinary_ fall in the Exchange on Austria. Last Friday
bills on Vienna were quoted about 12 per cent higher than
on the Ist January. This afternoon the quotation
shews a fall of nearly 7 per cent. since Friday. The rates
for paper on Frankfort and Hamburgh were quoted
rather less favourably for this country. About £12,000
of the gold by the Red Jacket was taken to-day to
the Bank. The rest has been purchased for exportation.—
Daily News City Article, Tuesday Evening.

YESTERDAY'S MARKETS.
LIVERPOOL PRODUCE.—Colonial, &c : The Sugar
market remains quiet, the business being confined to 70
hogsheads 570 bags grainy Demerara at 41s to 45s 3d,
and 500 bags fine yellow Siam at 44s per cwt. 100 pun-
cheons Cuba Molasses are also reported, but the price has
not transpired. Nothing has occurred in Rum or Coffee,
and we have nothing further to notice in Rice. In.Dyewoods
the sales comprise 20 tons Jamaica Logwood at £3 17s 6d ;
20 tons Fustic at £5 2s 6d for Maracaibo, and £5 5s for
Savanilla ; small sales of Limawood at £l5; and 14 tons
Green Ebony at £9 per ton. Nothing to notice in Ashes.
30 tons Nitrate of Soda at 14s 6d to 16s per cwt; and 15
tons Brimstone at £8 per ton for firsts ; a small lot of
Tartar reported at 125 s for cream, and 123 s for discoloured;
250 bags Sago Flour, all faults, at 12s 6d to 13s 6d for
first-class ; 5 tons Cutch at 40s ; 300 bales heated Gambier
at 15s; 170 bales Bombay Madder Roots at 27s per cwt ;
30 chests Lac Dye at is 2d per lb. ; 45 chests native orange
Shell Lac at 82s to 87s 6d per cwt. ; 24 serons Honduras
Mack Cochineal at 4s Id to 4s 8d; 150 bags Singapore
Biak Pepper at 4d per lb. ; and 20 tons Alum at late
prices. Oils, 4c.: In Olive 20 tuns Lisbon at £45 10s ; 10
tun:, Cod at £34 ; and pale Seal quoted at £37 per tun.
20 bavrolB Spirits of Turpentine taken at 43s per cwt.
We have also to notice 30 tons Linseed Cake at £9; and
25 tons inc:_iroct Peruvian Guano at £lO £los to £ll per
ton.

LivzßrooL CorsoNt—The market continues active, and